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Title: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 24, 2006, 10:01:33 PM
I haven't drank in a while, which, if I am hallucinating, would be the reason, but where did the HCAC message board go?
Title: Re: Where's the HCAC Board
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 24, 2006, 10:06:20 PM
And I know damn well I have over 189 posts.
Title: Re: Where's the HCAC Board
Post by: maxamillion on December 25, 2006, 12:34:33 AM
UMMMM yea where is the HCAC board? I thought I was just being an idiot last night not seeing it but um Pat can you tell us all where the board went?
Title: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2006, 02:22:20 AM
Can't say as I know, to be honest. Sorry. Haven't spent a lot of time on the board lately. Guess you can start over? Not sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 25, 2006, 10:06:06 AM
see what happens when i gone for a while, all hell break lose.

Sayer what in the hell did you do?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on December 26, 2006, 01:48:11 AM
Well at least I have a clean slate as far as a posting bias if I coach at TMC again. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 26, 2006, 09:19:09 AM
I was hoping to catch up today on all the reading....from being away from computers. 

Oh well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 26, 2006, 01:36:16 PM
jeez, you go watch the new rocky balboa movie and come back to a revamped board. pat has been making waves over here.

new rocky movie, thoughts?

i like seeing rocky, but he doesn't end communism in this one and it was more nostalgic for me and that's about it. on a side note, i don't see too many 60 some year old men looking that put together. wow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 26, 2006, 02:49:09 PM
Wow!  This is a bummer.  like saintsfan, I wanted to catch up now that I'm back from visiting my folks and have nothing to do till the 8 of the new year.  Crazy stuff!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 26, 2006, 02:51:36 PM
This really sucks! I only have 68 posts now.  Glad I kept my karma though.  Has anyone heard any news about Defiance's defensive coordinator?  dc70alum, jacketsfan, anyone?  By the way, Happy Holidays to everyone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on December 27, 2006, 12:06:53 AM
i knew there was talk about jim hilvert possibly being interviewed for the TMC head coach job i thought and i wanted to come back and read it all - so can everyone fill me in on what the talk was about?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on December 27, 2006, 12:07:27 AM
also i was close to a second stringer now it is back to the beginning
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJRW80 on December 27, 2006, 08:25:26 AM
Sayers did you not give Pat the reach around...you have to give the reach around Adam now look we have to start all the way over from the begining...

I just saw the new Rocky movie yesterday and it was ok definetly not the best but ok a lot better than Rocky 5 but that didnt take much to beat that...They really didnt do any developing of the new characters and you'll know what I mean when you see it...


FCC are you thinking of coaching on the wrong side of the river?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: The Rev on December 27, 2006, 12:06:53 AM
i knew there was talk about jim hilvert possibly being interviewed for the TMC head coach job i thought and i wanted to come back and read it all - so can everyone fill me in on what the talk was about?

Vicious rumors and lies.  No way would this ever happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 27, 2006, 12:15:49 PM
SaintsFan-  I think it is funny that you consider TMC the HCAC champs in 2000 & 2001.  Should you honor the Saints the Independent champs as well?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 27, 2006, 01:00:26 PM
Has been - i will send you an email, you have to pay to keep good people around and one of the major problems DC has always had.  when the "special" employee who whipes tables at McDonalds makes more $ than all your assitants combined it is hard to retain talent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 02:01:40 PM
DC70,

Sounds like the same plight as alot of the Division 3 programs.  Thats why you'll see major changes in assistants yearly. 

has been,

nope...didn't play all the independents in those years.  schedule was set up for a introduction to the HCAC and the Saints ran the table.  I've seen the shirts around for this..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 03:33:07 PM
Looks like Defiance has some lofty standards when it comes to their DC.  If the pay isn't that good, then I'd wonder how they can keep someone with their MA on the staff for very long...

MA required, defensive coordinator experience preferred, secondary coaching experience required, collegiate teaching experience preferred, experience in intramurals preferred, extensive understanding and experience in recruiting D-III student-athletes preferred...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 27, 2006, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 03:33:07 PM
Looks like Defiance has some lofty standards when it comes to their DC.  If the pay isn't that good, then I'd wonder how they can keep someone with their MA on the staff for very long...

MA required, defensive coordinator experience preferred, secondary coaching experience required, collegiate teaching experience preferred, experience in intramurals preferred, extensive understanding and experience in recruiting D-III student-athletes preferred...

The operative word is "preferred."  Now if they apply the same standards to the OC... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 27, 2006, 10:49:39 PM
it is becuase there are only a couple of full time positions so they try to get them to teach a class or do something in admissions or some other postition at the schoool which is why they look for an MA first, that opens it up to a lot more options.  i think most of the profs only pull about 40k.  granted it is dirt cheap to live in Defiance but it takes a long time to pull F.U. money making that or less
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 28, 2006, 07:09:21 PM
Sayer is in Chicago...I can't be blamed for the mssing HCAC post board.

It's not windy in the windy city and I'm even on the lake.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on December 28, 2006, 09:56:36 PM
what are you doing in chicago?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 29, 2006, 11:54:58 PM
Vacation. I just spent $180 on a dinner 1,000 feet above the city of Chicago. Called the Signature Room. I'm still waiting on the server to give me a BJ for all the cash I spent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 30, 2006, 11:43:45 AM
been there great view of the city when the sun goes down.  but the prices are retarted and i was there on an expense account
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 30, 2006, 12:50:32 PM
a friend of mine was just in New York on business. Five people ate dinner, the bill was $1,700 dollars. Whatever happened to a 5 dollar burger? $11.50 for a burger, y'all must be crazy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 12:08:37 AM
They found a burger for $11.50? Wow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on December 31, 2006, 04:21:24 AM
hey pat how come the HCAC board has started over and a lot of people on here only are showing a few posts when i know we all have had more??? i was getting close to 60 something, i know victory was close to 200 and sayer has way more then 192?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 31, 2006, 07:47:09 AM
VB you should see the tabs i get to pick up we drop 1700 just on the wine.  best drink i ever had was a 1946 McCellan.  there was nothing better than a 70 year old scotch even at 250 bucks a shot
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 31, 2006, 08:00:10 AM
My membership in the Plutocrat Club expired. Consequently I am forced to satisfy myself with Budweiser.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 31, 2006, 05:51:14 PM
i know, but i simply cannot justify paying 250 bucks for anything you ingest, well unless the company was paying for it. if they are picking up the tab, drink up and smoke em if you got em.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 31, 2006, 07:25:24 PM
I went to a Nieman Marcus today (a high and I mean HIGH class clothing store) and I saw a sweater for $695 and a leather jacket for $2500.  They also had neck ties for $150 a piece. Who wears a $695 sweater other than SaintsFan?

The Signature Room was nice, but working at a country club during the summer, I eat Fillet, Scallops, Crab Legs, etc on a routine basis for free and can't justify spending $33.95 for 5 scallops and coos-coos. I also spent $8 on a 12oz bottle of Sam Adams.

I guess if you live here then spending that kind of money on clothes, food, etc. is normal. I definately don't fit in here. They need a Wal-Mart.

Got a throwback 1988 Ickey Woods Jersey for Christmas and was sporting it proud today...even though the Bengals choked like Linda Lovelace.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 04:45:05 AM
Quote from: maxamillion on December 31, 2006, 04:21:24 AM
hey pat how come the HCAC board has started over and a lot of people on here only are showing a few posts when i know we all have had more??? i was getting close to 60 something, i know victory was close to 200 and sayer has way more then 192?

The board is not very large now. You could go back two pages to the beginning and see the already-existing discussion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 01, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
pat still hasn't answered the question and i think something bigger is going on here
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 01:08:32 PM
The answer is still:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2006, 02:22:20 AM
Can't say as I know, to be honest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 01, 2007, 04:11:30 PM
reminds me of area 51 to be honest, but i'll roll with it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 07:32:52 PM
I don't know what happened -- there are about 30 users that could delete a board if they tried. Nobody has said anything to me about having done it and there is no log of those actions.

So I'll repeat: I don't know what happened.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 01, 2007, 09:55:46 PM
I blame Elvis
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:00:50 AM
I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST WITNESSED!

BOISE STATE OHH............ MY.................. GOD!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2007, 01:11:28 AM
Quote from: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:00:50 AM
I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST WITNESSED!

BOISE STATE OHH............ MY.................. GOD!

I've seen wild finishes before, but that just might be the best ever!

Boise up 28-10 near the 4th quarter.  Oklahoma finally catches them 28-28 with 1:36 left.  Then OU apparently wins it with an interception returned for a TD at 1:02.  With 4th and 18 (:07 left), Boise scores on a pass where the receiver then laterals to a trailer who runs it in.  OT.

OU has the ball first and Adrian Peterson runs in for the TD on the first play.  Boise goes to 4th down, then gets (barely) a first down.  Boise again gets to 4th down, then scores on a hb pass.  THEN it gets wild!  Boise goes for two, and makes it with a Statue of Liberty play - are you kidding me??!! :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2007, 01:15:16 AM
What a game, Mr. Ypsi!

And she said, "Yes!" :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:23:42 AM
Hopefully no one thinks that Boise tricked there way to a win.  Their defense shut down Oklahoma for 3 quarters before things got hairy.  The plays at the end of the game were unreal.  Oklahoma went ahead with 1 minute in the game for the 1st time on a pick-six and Boise didn't quit.  That was the most entertaining finish I've seen maybe ever.

WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 02, 2007, 06:26:09 AM
When I was in the 6th grade, we didn't permit ourselves to be fooled by a statue of liberty. By the time I was in high school, we didn't permit ourselves to be fooled by a flea flicker (what is currently often called a hook and lateral or hook and ladder).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 02, 2007, 08:14:17 AM
Amazing game last night.  Crazy.  The craziest thing is Ian Johnson proposing to his girlfriend.  Not very smart....millions more girls have seen this guy now that he was playing in the Fiesta Bowl and he takes himself out of the dating pool on TV?

No way, Sayer.  I would never wear a Neiman Marcus sweater...unless I found it in the gutter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 02, 2007, 09:27:17 AM
dont think you could say BSU tricked their way to victory because that is their offense.  Hook and Ladder last time i saw that work was when DC ran that against Thomas More for a touchdown my senior year.

sayer get fat again and you dont have to worry about neiman marcus becuase stores like that dont even carry 2X.  if i buy a shirt for 50 bucks at least i know i am getting 50 bucks of material out of it!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2007, 10:46:59 AM
I wish I would have seen the game. I saw the highlights but I chose to go watch The Good Shepherd instead (great movie by the way) after my trip back from Chicago. That film of the last quater and OT would be a nice motivational tool for coaches on not quitting. Down 28-10, Oklahoma could have went in the tank but didn't.

I saw a hook and ladder work once too...against Thomas More. Our guy was caught from behind though trying to run in 6 inches of mud. Speaking of TMC, any news as to the new HC?

I wanted a pair of socks just so I could say I had something from there but those were $60.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 02, 2007, 11:30:30 AM
i like how they kept referring to the testicles of the boise st playcaller who would call any play in any spot. i guess in order to be a man you need a pair of nuts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 02, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
No news on the Coach Search.  I think they originally said the target was by the end of the week. 

By the way, your hook and ladder play....what year was that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
Yeah, you know who called that play SaintsFan.  That was one of the most frustrating games I've been involved in (2002 Bridge Bowl).  The Hook and Ladder was the only way I could get someone free in the slop.  It worked great and should have been a TD but you know that TMC field.  It has high and low spots (and a lot of mud) and my receiver lost his balance and could get back up to speed after a 70 yard gain and got caught. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 02, 2007, 01:36:23 PM
I figured you did call that play.  I think I remember it, but not sure.  We were pretty drunk.  What year was when I saw both you and Venard up in Mariemont?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 02, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
even the old lady in the gym watched the game last night was excited about it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2007, 08:13:02 PM
FCC and others:

I would agree that the Boise St./Oklahoma game was perhaps one of the greatest I've ever seen.  There is one DIII game I personally played in that would rank up with that and another one that I would suggest might be ranked up there with that was the multiple OT game that Kentucky played in recent years- do you all remember that one??!! And don't forget, of course, Doug Flutie's "Hail Mary"!  But, yes the game last night just might be one that could rate at the top of the list.  I'm still in a semi-daze - that was just one unbelievable finish and especially, two of the last three Boise scoring plays (the one that tied it i.e. hook and ladder- old flea flicker and the 2 pt. fake pass/blind side pitch winner of course).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 03, 2007, 12:04:21 AM
I think the Boise game is great for college football.  It will further the playoff debate.  I think you have to make sure that a qualification process is in order to put these smaller programs in the BCS or playoff system (ie top 10 ranking, top 20 schedule or opponents), but if everyone believes that they've earned the right to play, then a playoff is the only way.  I don't see BSU getting a #1 or #2 BCS ranking anytime soon.

"You can't be the man until you beat the man".  Well you have to be given a shot every once in a while and Utah 2002 and Boise 2006 are good examples.  If it wasn't for an onside kick and blocked field goal against Oregon, Oklahoma might be playing on Monday against OSU at 12-1 with only an October 7th loss to Texas.  Boise beat that team.................with Adrian Peterson.

Now, forget about the Boise argument for a minute and plug in USC and you know we need a playoff.  The winner of OSU-Florida needs to be playing USC after beating Michigan.   

DUH!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 03, 2007, 09:39:40 AM
Even by most people's accounts, Boise State still wouldn't have been in an 8-team playoff (which is what most consider). The 8 teams would have been Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, USC, LSU, Wisconsin, Louisville and Oklahoma. If you were to grant the Conference champs from the BCS conferences then see ya next year Wisconsin and welcome Wake Forest. Regardless...No Boise State. I suggested an NFL style 12-team playoff. The top 4 seeds recieve first round byes.

Oklahoma got hosed during the Oregon game twice by blatent officiating mistakes. I think Saintsfan is right. If they beat Oregon, then 12-1 Oklahoma would be playing Ohio State, not Florida. They lost earlier than Florida and happend to also play and win a conference championship game the same weekend.

I just think College football this year happend to have great equality. There is no team (or 2 teams) that stands out far and beyond everyone else. Everyone is together.

Word around according to SEC teams is that LSU was the best team in the conference, not Florida.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 03, 2007, 10:43:15 AM
the solution is 10 game seasons for all DI and an all out playoff battle royale. the problem is that the big boys that pack a 106,000 seat stadium don't want it empty for one or two weeks it could have been full. read the lion in autumn, joe paterno football and it's clearly laid out from joepa himself.

boise rocks, i hope they win a national title in a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 03, 2007, 12:45:29 PM
We'll see about LSU tonight...and I was forced to watch them play at Tenn., they were lucky to pull out the win.  Russell threw more "wrong team passes" than Richard Simmons in a night club....he was lucky to not have been intercepted 5 times.

  If ND starts fast they have a chance...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 03, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
hmmmm, i would say lsu has a much better chance of winning that game than ND, but let's let them play it out and see. i just think lsu has some very fast athletes at a lot of positions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 03, 2007, 03:48:26 PM
i think the stat they said last night is LSU is outscoring opponents 150 - 20 in the 1st quarter.  ND better come out fast or they will have a mouthful of they bayou t-bag
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 12:40:20 AM
wow, LSU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 04, 2007, 07:48:52 AM
The stat last night was they outscored ND 21-0 in the second half and rushed for almost 250 yards. Maybe the SEC teams are right, LSU is the best team in the conference. I do wonder why Weiss elected to go for it on the first 4th down? His defense is horrible and he was on his own 35/40 yard line? I realize it's a bowl game and you let it all hang out (ala Boise State) but at some point you have to be smart and smart is punting the football. Even if he gets the first, I still think it's too much of a risk to try that early in the game because if you don't get it, you're essentially giving the other team the ball to start both halves and put you in a hole. In this case, if Charlie Weiss punts the ball, ND goes into halftime most likely tied 14-14, not down.

I also think ND's defense has regressed since last year. This is a group who has played together for 2 years now, was supposed to come together as Seniors and get better after last year. They have given up 35 or more points 4 times this year and are giving up on average 24 points per game. Last year they averaged giving up 21 points per game. 90% of the time, units get better as they get more experience and play together for an extended period of time. Notre Dame's didn not.

People claim Brady Quinn will possibly be the 1st round pick. Before the game, Charlie Weiss said that in his opinion, Brady Quinn didn't perform up to expectations because of the pressure of the Heisman Trophy. If he can't handle that, then how will he be able to handle life in the Pro's and if he is the 1st pick, the pressure of those expectations? Look at all the pressure on Mario Williams and he was a DE. Brady Quinn is not a big game quarterback and cannot win when it counts. The only reason why this kid gets any publicity is because of where he plays and who he played for. Playing at Notre Dame doesn't automatically make him good and I think people forget that. I think whoever drafts him will be getting the next Ryan Leaf or David Klingler.

The SEC is 5-3 in bowl games this year but are 0-2 against the Big 10. The Big 10 is 2-4 in bowl games only beating SEC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 12:02:11 PM
it would be smart for ND to start recruiting some players and to quit playing navy and army each week if they want to compete again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 04, 2007, 01:51:06 PM
I agree, but if they want to continue playing them, then people need to judge them on it. To be fair, their schedule as is, is about the same as your typical conference football schedule. The problem lies in the fact that when Notre Dame goes 10-2 or 9-2 and better, pollsters make it out to be as if Boston College and "vintage" Florida State are back on the schedule.

This marks the 4th time in recent hsitory that they have been dismantled in a "high up" Bowl Game granted to them after a 9-2 or 10-2 season. In 2001 they lost to Oregon State 41-9 in the Fiesta Bowl (BCS), in 2002 they lost to North Carolina State 28-6 in the Gator Bowl, in 2005 they lost to Ohio State 34-20 in the Fiesta Bowl (BCS), and this year they lost to Louisiana State 41-14 in the Sugar Bowl (BCS). That's an average of 36-12.

Maybe they just need to stop playing colleges that end in 'State'. Want to know why Notre Dame has lost 9 straight bowl games. It's because they get matched up with superior opponents that are on a different level because they are Notre Dame and the $$$. Notre Dame should have been playing Arkansas in a bowl game, not LSU.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 05:09:21 PM
yes, and when lou holtz was there they played and competed with miami of florida, and other top notch programs. the huge comback against a sorry michigan st team is hardly an achievement. i think weiss realizes this though and will act accordingly, hopefully.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 04, 2007, 06:09:32 PM
Not hiding today

Just back froms surgery-- rotator cuff and bicep...not fun, but percocets are

Dude that game sucked...ND took a big dump last night....schedule is a problem, as is the fact these are Ty's players still...give Weis two more seasons.

Sayer --  Quinns problem was not the Heisman pressure only...Chuck also said he was trying to be perfect bc of the defense....put him in Cleveland and with the expectations there, he'll have fun, make alot of money, and I'll boo his ass. 

How good is Jamarcus Russell?  Great arm...talked to my cousin who lives in Nawlins, if Russell comes back Im going to see the Tigers next year...if Landry leaves, I'll be a fan....he's a punk like his brother the DB for theRavens.

Adam, call me with any update on TMCs search....I wont be around much in the coming days.

BTW OSU only beat ND by two scores ( i sound like a democrat)...the other games were a helluva lot more embarassing
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 04, 2007, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 05:09:21 PM
yes, and when lou holtz was there they played and competed with miami of florida, and other top notch programs. the huge comback against a sorry michigan st team is hardly an achievement. i think weiss realizes this though and will act accordingly, hopefully.

vbell,

the had lower admission standards back then....T Rice was prop 48...no way he gets into ND now....also teams like ND could stockpile talent with more scholarships...thata why they put allstar teams on the field then... its an impossible comparison.  I'd take the 88 Irish over any of the great teams thru history.


ALL

hit me up with some karma for bearing with the pain to give an educated opinion on ND...

plus I kind of missed bs'ing with you miscreants (shout out to beachbum)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2007, 06:19:05 PM
SaintsFAN:

Best wishes for your recovery from rot cuff/biceps surgery.  You'll do fine, but take it easy - and be careful with those percocets.  They're good "stuff" but don't be mixing 'em with any of that "liquid stuff" i.e. ETOH if you know what I mean, seriously.

I would have to agree with you that ND just looked, well,...not very good last evening :P; similar performance as to U of M.  Anyway, yes, you guys keep us posted on the TMC coaching search.  Again, hope you are feeling better and take care.  We'll talk with you in a week or two when you're feeling better.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 04, 2007, 08:28:39 PM
Ummm................USC anyone?

2nd best team to OSU this year, then Michigan, SEC choice, SEC choice, and throw in a healthy Louisville kicks.

ND is lucky to break the top 15.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
touche. bucks by 30 over florida.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 05, 2007, 08:25:50 AM
30 may be a little much. I'm looking at a 27-17 game. I think it will take Ohio State's offense a few series to get adjusted to Florida's speed on defense, but once they do, they will score. If I recall correctly, Teddy Ginn and Anthony Gonzalaz are pretty fast too.

If DeShawn Wynn is the featured RB for Florida in this game, there won't be much of a run game. Wynn doesn't like to get hit, and does anyone else notice how often he seems to get hurt.  He hasn't changed since high school. The man can outrun a cheetah, but you put a few good lickins on him, he doesn't want to play any more.

SaintsFan, I think Brady Quinn played bad because he was up all night listening to AJ Hawk drop "The Hammer" on his sister in the hotel room. It's not The Big Easy for nothin :) I saw that throw (60 yard bomb off 1 foot). I don't think Russell is ready to come out of college yet (that ND secondary is BAD). He needs to stay for 1 more year.

Get better. I'm having sharp pains in my lower back and am fretting going to the doctor. Percs are great.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 05, 2007, 09:35:49 AM
sayer - probably muscle, if it is disc related you would likely feel it in your hip and legs.  a herniated disk does not hurt, but it pinches the nerve which hurts like hell but it feels like a stinger in the leg.  doesnt hurt as much in the lower back as it does in other places. 

hit up the Doc becuase if it is muscle they might be able to work it out before it causes the disc to start to buldge.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 05, 2007, 11:50:52 AM
I need to find time first. Wrestling and teaching keep me busy about 60 hours a week. I'm thinking about trying that pad they put between your legs when you sleep (I already know the jokes are coming). I don't feel this anywhere else except my lower back/Kidney area (right side). It started out as a "stiff" feeling where my mucle felt like it was knotted up but now it's more of a sharp pain.

I already need surgery on my shoulder (torn Labrum) but I get by on a daily basis with no pain. I just can't play sports that require throwing something. And I've had to quit lifting due to the pain. I'll only be 25 in february. I always though losing weight would help all the creaks. It probably doesn't help that I still wrestle with the kids on a daily basis either but that comes with the job requirements.

Looking forward to Medicare buying me my first wheelchair in a couple years. SaintsFan and I can have wheelchair races around the new TQL building in Eastgate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 05, 2007, 12:50:14 PM
my close dearest brother tried that pad bn his legs. he did it because his hips and lower back were hurting, it seemed to help a lot and aleviate chronic pain. of course, so did his losing 30 lbs of gut.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 05, 2007, 02:12:51 PM
I think losing the weight actually hurt more than helped. My legs are now smaller and I think when I lay on my side, my right leg is on a greater downward angle causing more discomfort in my pelvis and lower back.

AWM...isn't this your area of expertise being a physical therapist and all?

Big Madeira Invitational this weekend. Go Tigers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 05, 2007, 02:30:32 PM
Sayer: What have you done to yourself? You're describing how I felt at 60 before I undertook 5 invasive surgeries over 5 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 05, 2007, 03:53:15 PM
why don't you start attending an ab class two days a week to strengthen your core so your back isn't taking the brunt of your manly body? i have been doing that (not by choice though) and this large african man yells at me so i tighten my abs and my abs (although not smaller) are much stronger. just a thought. hope you feel better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 06, 2007, 01:14:38 PM
look, i know the ab class is somewhat "fruity", but i didn't expect it to bring an end to the message board. there are hot girls in there, a lot of them. of course, there are fat girls as well, who used to be cute before they started eating double cheeseburgers. enough, i am gone. i have drinking and the kung fu marathon all weekend.

we have chicken, shrimp, steak, hibachi steak, crab (real crab,not the fake stuff), and of course chicken wings. after that is gone we have bottles and bottles of yager for yager bombs. god bless.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 06, 2007, 09:57:26 PM
Why did Coach Hallit leave TMC?
Was he asked to leave or did Hiedelburg give him an offer he couldn't refuse?

Did TMC really interview Hilvert?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 07, 2007, 12:53:03 PM
Had a wrestling tournament at Madeira (good DII-III tournament), that is why I have been off line. My boys did well. 8th as a team (out of 22) and we had 3 runner ups, one 4th, one 5th, and one 6th. I only had 10 kids, 8 of which are freshmen and sophomores.

Macke, Taylor was there. Is your brother still wrestling?

Tepee, I saw your neimises from Little Miami, Mr. Sears. He still does what he does best. Cry like a school girl.  I still can't believe that sonofabitch thought he could beat me. I'd tear him up like like a pack of wolves on a steak.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 08, 2007, 09:34:16 AM
i never tried the pillow thing but some have said put under your calves and sleep on your back. 

if it becomes disc you wont really be able to push through it.  it feels like a bad stinger that does not go away and your foot will go numb and feel like muscle cramps down the leg in addition to the stinger feeling.  i would sleep on the floor with feet up on the couch as it was the least painful.

but nights like tonight just get too drunk to feel it O-H-I-O
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 08, 2007, 10:13:17 AM
He's been screwing off, and missing practice so he wasn't allowed to wrestle.

He is being a lazy piece of crap.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 08, 2007, 10:24:01 AM
only ten more hours till kick off   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 08, 2007, 01:38:06 PM
sayer, is Sears a coach now?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 01:52:14 PM
That's right Tostitos and beer. I'm going to be slacking off and taking a sick day tomorrow. Partly to recover from the hangover but the car's gotta go to the shop.

Macke, physical pain works well for motivation. Take him in the back room and flog him with a stick. Taylor's heavyweight's all right. He's a big strong kid.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 01:54:49 PM
Yeah, he helps out at Moeller with their 'B' team. He's one of the 10+ coaches that helps at Might Moe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:12:07 PM
Not me....I'll enjoy the game, but GLADLY go back to work tomorrow.  I'm so bored, I can't stand it.  I couldn't go in this morning because there's no way I could drive....and my ride had to leave early.

Sayer,  I think I finally talked my girlfriend out of looking for places in Hyde Park.  You just don't get alot for your money up there.  We just put an offer down on a home in Mariemont.... nice area, good school district, hopefully they take our offer.  I'll keep you updated, we'll have a gathering when we get in there...

The people that live there now paid cash...unbelievable.  I've asked our realtor (who's hot) if she can find out if they have a daughter in her 20s.  

PREDICTION:  OSU by a field goal late....this one, I think, will be one that goes down in the history books as a helluva game.

Did anyone see Tony Romo mishandle the snap on Saturday night?  I HATE the Cowboys, but I had to feel sorry for him.  Unbelievable.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 06:21:19 PM
WEBN quoted this morning that had he imagined the football as Carrie Underwood's butt he would have caught it. They aint kidding.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2007, 06:23:44 PM
SaintsFAN:

You are welcome and glad you are doing better.  BTW, I thought you liked pain when you played?!! ;D (just kidding! :))  I always said if I didn't have pain on Sunday and the next day after a game, that was a sign I didn't play hard enough.  In later years, they have accused me of being one of those "loons" who didn't play with a helmet! ;D  Seriously, I hope you continue to do well in your recovery from your shoulder surgery.  Keep us posted.  Enjoy the game tonight - it should be a good one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:32:10 PM
Hell no, I didn't like playing with pain.  What happened up at Alma in 1999, was different....I didn't feel it after I woke up on the turf. 

I remember Sunday, Monday and Tuesday being really rough days for getting out of bed during my playing days.  By Wednesday, I was ready to go again.  We played UW-Oshkosh in 1998, I attempted 50 passes that day while running the no huddle for the entire 2nd half and got hit on 45 of those.  I had my helmet knocked off which resulted in a black eye, a concussion and a 2nd degree seperation of my throwing shoulder that we found out about on Tuesday when I started to "come to" after the concussion.  THAT was painful, I think I lost 5 years of my life that day.  Funny thing is that I don't remember any of that 2nd half, I watched it on film with everyone else for the 1st time...."Why the hell did I throw THAT ball"...was something I remember saying ALOT during that film session.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:33:12 PM
Sayer,

Thats funny....and probably very true.  He was probably planning his night in Dallas, celebrating the win. 

I still feel bad for him....I'd probably be a little distracted also.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 11:48:14 PM
The big question now is how much better is the SEC than everyone else in the country? WOW. I thought it would be a good game. I thought it would be close till the end. But I have never imagined a team could run a spread offense that efficiently. If I could, I would like to know how many of Florida's 3rd downs were less than 3 yards. I didn't think it was possible to do that against good teams. Ted Ginn being out kind of shows how valuable he is considering the first play of the game, but Florida opened a lot of people's eyes and played what most people will think as a perfect game. Seriously, perfect. I have witnessed the perfect football game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 09, 2007, 12:52:56 AM
i am curious as to what everyone thinks how the final polls will shake down this is just my 2 cents

1 - florida i mean they were two and spanked number 1 all over the field

2 - LSU were number 4 and 1 and 3 got demolished

3 - BSU only undefeated team left and played their hearts out

4 - USC i know they have two losses but with common opponent in MICH they get the advantage

5 - OSU - only have one loss and beat MICH

6 - MICH two losses but beat WISC

7 - WISC one loss but played a soft schedule but beat a good ARK team
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2007, 01:30:59 AM
That might be a pretty fair ranking but the coaches' poll is obliged to give 1 and 2 to the BCS title game winner and loser.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 09, 2007, 01:52:01 AM
Florida, OSU, USC, LSU, Wisconsin/Michigan, Louisville, BSU.................................................................................
.............................................................................................................................................................................
...................................................................................................................................................................
...................ND

Boise may get the nod for 7th if people get sentimental.

I still want to see USC play Florida in the plus 1 game that is needed.  Play all bowls by Jan 1 and plus one on the 8th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 05:44:19 AM
I just want to see the big 10 step up and be respectable. All kinds of excuses could be made for the OSU game (51 day layoff, losing Ted Ginn, bad timing, etc.) but the fact is, Florida played a flawless game and Ohio State played a horrible game. I agree with FCC that this will further the playoff debate and after OSU's embarrasing performance, I wouln't be suprised if they were dropped lower than 2. They didn't even record 100 yards of offense. Losing Ginn hurt, but give me a break.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 09, 2007, 06:44:54 AM
Yes that is true pat that is why i threw this out to see how most people think it should shake down - i am waiting to see how the media polls go.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2007, 07:50:40 AM
Its my belief that what you saw last night was OSU's defense being exposed. 

Michigan was the only good team the Buckeyes played until last night.  In hindsight, I would
have liked to have seen Wisconsin play the Buckeyes...something has to be done about the
uneven scheduling in the Big 10.  Its not Ohio State's fault about the schedule, well not entirely. 

When they scheduled Texas, they didn't know they'd be playing a Freshman QB making his 2nd start..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 09, 2007, 08:20:08 AM
1. Florida
2. LSU
3. Louisville
4. Ohio St.
5. USC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 09, 2007, 08:22:21 AM
Sayer,  Now you know how I felt when I watched my Irish play a good
team this year.  WOW!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 09:23:38 AM
Michigan was good. I think I should start writing for ESPN or sue Pat Forde for Plagerism.
I think I called the game last night perfect first. His whole 800+ word article elaborates on my 100 word
sound off.

Saintsfan I agree, but to say exposed would imply Florida beat them deap he didn't at all. Being a former QB, you know that all those short passes
require timing in that spread. Now Leak didn't go deap once, because he didn't need to. But all those short crossing
patterns, drags, and outs, require precise timing. And to start 9/9 and at one point I think he was 14/16 before he had to start throwing
the ball into stands, is remarkable. Leak was flawless and did with the spread passing game what every coach
in America tries to do with the run game. Stay ahead of the chains and keep your 3rd downs short. Urban Meyer was licking his chops
everytime it was 3rd and 2 and he was in 5-wide. Linebackers on fast recivers. Like going to War guns vs knives. Tepee will testify,
I hate the spread offense (he did too in 2001). But part of me wants to learn it and learn it well after watching what it can do
if ran properly.

Important note: If Ted Ginn returns, Ohio State will return Antonio Pittman, Beanie Wells, Anthony Gonzolaz, and Ted Ginn for next year along with
3 of the O-lineman. They return 8 of the defensive starters too I believe. The non-conference schedule for OSU next year is Youngstown State, Akron,
Washington, and Kent State. The Big 10 teams are Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Mich State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan. They get
Wisconsin at home. They could very well, if no one leaves early, be in the hunt for another BCS game next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 09:28:18 AM
Don't say anything about not scheduling people, because they are playing a
home n home with USC in 2008/2009, then playing a home n home with
Miami (Fl) in 2010/2011. I also think Cal is on the schedule  for one too in 2012/2013.
Ohio State is making it a point to play quality teams. They keep the Ohio teams on the schedule,
but they reach out and try to play good competition. Hell, Washington is slowly being
turned around with Ty out there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 09:31:04 AM
FCC, by chance, you mind if I could get some copies of those playbooks?
You said you had bunches and I had completely forgot about it until
watching perfection last night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2007, 11:14:04 AM
My point about scheduling was the "Pay Day Games" that Ohio State has every year, Texas was a good home and home,
but they did have a freshman QB this year playing in his 2nd game.  Texas in week two didn't present nearly the same
challenge as they would have if those two had hooked up in say week 9 or 10.  When they scheduled Texas, they knew
they were getting to play a great team.  Who could have predicted their QB situation?  But it still added up to an easy win,
maybe too easy (as were most of their games)?

Its no doubt the same for very many teams, one exception I can think of is USC.  Thats probably it though...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 12:47:26 PM
I wasn't being mean. I was just referencing their upcomming schedule for next year. The fact they don't
play anyone next year doesn't mean they arn't scheduling great teams. And you're right about scheduling. Miami (FL)
has been on the 2010/2011 schedule now for 3 years already. They do these years in advance.
I would like to see Notre Dame and Ohio State start playing each other. It would be great for college football and both programs.

Now here's the important question. With USC and Florida obviously being the 2 best teams, how long does it take
establish a playoff. I think it's inevitable.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 10, 2007, 12:33:57 AM
According to a lot of people the playoff system will be a plus 1 game.  As soon as the current BCS TV contract is up they want a plus 1 game.

You don't want my playbooks Sayer.  They are the original spread concepts from a multitude of places. You need to get a 2006 version from a spread team that has all of the ideas incorporated already.  I started with UCLA 1998 and went from there.  The stuff we ran in 2001 came straight from Clemson and Northwestern (which I visited that year to watch spring ball).  We sucked at it in 2001 but in 2002 when we got a QB and a threat at receiver, everything changed.  Using a huddle helped also.  Going with Rich Rodriguez' version with all freshmen was nota good idea in 2001.  Our backs absolutely killed us but you live and learn. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 10, 2007, 12:54:32 AM
If you want to know about spread systems, draw up a 5 wide receiver look and then look at what the defense must do to defend it.  The looks are clear as a bell.

Most offensive systems work from the inside out.  You look at the interior, then the RB's and LB's, and then the WR's and DB's as you consider how you protect yourself.  In spread you look at the WR's first then the RB's and then the interior line as you create a philosophy.  You come to find out that it's pretty straight forward inside when it's 5 on 5 all the time and you are in an attack mode.  Zone, Trap, Speed Option, and Draw are your base runs.  You need a QB that can throw deep even if you never want to because if a team decides to squeeze you, you must go up top.........to Wellendorf................ even if he's a freshman.

It has been great to watch how these offenses have gotten to so many looks forcing the defenses to react and play tentative.  OSU needed to show more blitz and get in the receivers faces a little more.  They made Leak look like a God which he is not.  Florida dictated the pace the entire game both offensively and defensively. 

Spread offenses are great running offenses when done right.  Look at West Virginia.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2007, 08:37:16 AM
I'd like to see the face of Woody Hayes is someone in 1975 came out with 5 recievers; four to one side. I think the phrase was Ooptey-f#cking-oop, when did the damn circus come to town.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 10:34:28 AM
It was easy for UF offense to be that effiecent in the no huddle when OSU's deffense played the bad.

I saw a defense that played with no emotions for a national championship game, and then they gave up as an entire team.  OSU's D-corrinador should be fired.  He let his defense get pushed around  and was very predicable in his play calling.  Not saying that he necessarly should of blized more, but should have brought his Db's up to the line of scrimage and challenged the WR's.  The Db's played ten yards of the ball the entire game, and were not physical with UF's WRs.  Not to mention that #33 got his ass kicked the whole game. It looked like he was on roller skates.

I thought I would take sometime off from posting about the game becuase I was so pissed off and didn't want to on a rampage.  oh well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2007, 11:19:50 AM
ohio state was the best team all year, they just got ran off the field by florida. you really don't want to do that in the national title game buckeyes. it's not like osu didn't deserve the game or anything like that, they just got whooped up on and i don't think anybody expected it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 10, 2007, 01:00:14 PM
Is #33 the great Laurinitis? 

I just think the Buckeye defense was young this year, as far as experience goes.  Maybe they weren't as great as once thought, BUT they dominated the competition they did play, with the exception of Michigan and Florida.  They had a great year, and with this much experience under their belt, playmakers like Laurinitis will be dominant in any situation against any team in the seasons to follow. 

They'll need to be next year....with a new QB coming in and possibly losing Ginn Jr., and Gonzalez, the team will be forced to rely on the dominant defense and a punishing ground attack with Chris Wells getting the majority of carries.  The cupboard isn't bare by any means in Columbus, but the QB will need to develop.

And its a better situation than ND will be in.  They replace everything except for Darius Walker on offense and the entire defense as well with the exception of a few like Derrick Landry on the DL....they'll be young across the board.  But the team will be faster...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 10, 2007, 01:33:05 PM
i was suprised at how bad the Oline played.  i think Tressel missed an opportunity to change the play calling when you are under that amount of heat and the whole Dline is T'ing off on every play.  when you are under that distress you have to shorten routes and go to the screen draw reverse etc.  anything to slow down the D.  everything was downfield with 5-7 step drops and it was a field day.  i think the Ginn injury hurt becuase most of the trickery to slow folks down is centered around him but i think it also hurt becuase it moved Gonzo to #1 Robo to #2 etc.  i dont think they were breaking off the hot routes like they should have been.  look at the INT Blitz play side and both receivers to that side are running 20 yds down field.

i can take losing but not to a bunch of punks.  Notre Dame would act like they have been there before but with Florida you got a bunch of thugs who say things like "There are 5 teams in the SEC we beat that are better than Ohio State"  that one was Jarvis Moss
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2007, 01:35:56 PM
i really don't like urban meyer that much either. he was saying "i want to thank everybody for making my pre-game speech easy with all the doubters." shut up, whatever happened to giving credit to the other team and saying how happy you are for everybody. they act like they had to go into the beaches at normandy and pull off the upset, give me a break. good game, good win, now keep it up or they will fire you down there in 3 years like every DI program in the nation now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 01:52:01 PM
Hot route or not hot route.  Troy Smith still couldn't hit a reciever, partly because because he had so much pressure to contend with coming from those DE's.

In looking forward to next year I think Flordia is going to be contenders agian considering the recruiting class and returing players along with USC.

Watched the Army High Schoolall American game.  A lot of guys commiting to USC, OSU and ND it seemed like.  Put don't get your hopes yet ND fans, I will take a while till for them shine if they aren't a bust.

How a bout Ben Martin committing to UT.  I was a little suprised by that, thought that ND would be more his style.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 02:29:31 PM
So bored, I need a job!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2007, 02:32:17 PM
I don't think Gonzo will be opting out early. If both Gonzo and Ginn stay, OSU will return 16 of their 22 starters. They lose 3 on both sides of the ball. With their schedule next year, they could very well go into Ann Arbor undefeated.

It's not like Florida is lying. After watching that game, there are probably 5 teams in the SEC who could have beaten OSU. My buddy made a comment that Wisconsin may have been the best team in the big 10. Their only loss was to Michigan in The Big House. They took care of business against Arkansas, the team who only lost to LSU by 7 and played in the SEC Championship game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2007, 02:33:37 PM
Ohio State is now 0-8 all time against SEC teams in Bowl Games. The SEC finished the bowl season off 6-3, the Big 10 was 2-5.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2007, 02:59:09 PM
that's a stat worth noting. i do think the game would have been different if the buckeyes looked a bit more inspired, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:07:24 PM
even if they still had inspiration on there side it doesn't change much your still looking at 34-21 butt whoopen
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:08:19 PM
does any one know of a bar/night club that good use a good bouncer,  willing to be paid in beer!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 11, 2007, 12:24:21 AM
OSU needed to run off tackle and inside a lot more to keep the ends in check.  Play action would have been more effective than straight drop for the same reason.  You can't Screen and Draw Florida because they are too fast and have seen every version of it.  You have to run right at them and then throw off of that.  OSU should have POUNDED THE ROCK then worked from there.  They never established anything. 

I wonder if Robbie Schoenhoft (Cincinnati St X.) will get a chance at QB next year.  He's a big departure from Troy Smth.  He's 6'6" and a drop back passer all the way.  I've known him since he was young and I never thought he'd get a shot as a QB.  He looks like a TE and also played BB all throgh high school.  I was surprised to see him at QB after his freshman year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 05:58:50 AM
The next guy in line played a little last year. If Zwick had another year, that would have been great. When I get to school I'll find it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 07:47:16 AM
The front runner for QB next seson at Ohio State is Todd Boeckman. He played his HS ball at St. Henry in Ohio and is 6'5" 235 pounds. He's a redshirt sophomore and will have 2 years of eligibility left. He's a pocket passer like Zwick was.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 07:51:13 AM
Macke, every school in Cincinnati needs substitute teachers. You should be able to work 5 days a week subbing at different schools on the West Side. Most of them pay $75-80 a day, which isn't great, but it pays the bills. The academy on River Road (Riverside I think) was paying subs $100 a day last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 11, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
what i still cant figure out is how they did not get anything going on offense.  they were successful at pounding the rock the few times they tried it.  Pittman average 6.9yds a carry but he only had 10 carries.  only time UF stopped the run was 3/4 & 1.  there were some key penalties that hurt becuase they would get good yards running then someone would get a apenalty so it would still end 3rd and long the the D-ends were in a sprinter stance.

i agree that UF was the better team Monday but i think the stars also aligned for them on Monday.  in a 10 game series i still think OSU takes at least 7, but they got tatoo'd on Monday.  not too many times Leak will play a perfect game, Smith is as accurate as SaintsFan after bouncing of the ALma turf, Ginn breaks his foot on the opening kickoff getting tackled by his OWN team celebrating, brutal penalties at the exact wrong time.  some sour grapes, but that was not the same team we saw all year (and that was not the same UF team we saw all year)

in the terms of getting out coached, i think it is the first time in the tressel era you can say yes, what was suprising is Tressel seems to do well with Mid Game adjustments and that is where they really lacked on monday.

in case OSU fans were wondering it is possible to win a game with less than 100 yds of offense just ask MSJ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 11, 2007, 09:04:21 AM
thoughts on the gaethers 6 year deal with Cincy?

i think it is good since if the offense ever decides to play in the first half of a game they need a strong pass rush and he is a stud rushing the pass.  not the best against the run but has a motor that does not quit so he still makes plays against the run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 09:13:47 AM
go to ohsaa.org or whatever the website is and look up the classifieds. you can find a lot of coaching opportunities there, which in turn will give you a teaching opportunity. your foot in the door is your football background, good luck with it. a lot regular students can't get in that way, you can.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 10:40:05 AM
VBell, has a point Macke.

I think the signing of Geathers to a 6 year extensions means Justin Smith won't be back. He is one mountain of a man, but he really isn't that good. This was a contract year for him and he still wasn't that great (though this was his best year since his rookie year).

I'd like to see the bengals draft that DT from LSU. I think they said he was 6'4" 325. Geathers and Pollack at DE (word around is Pollack will make a full recovery for next year), Sam Adams and the guy from LSU at DT. That's a solid DLine. I also heard that Jason Taylor was in a contract year this season. He's a former Ohio boy who played ball for the Zips. If Miami doesn't sign him, he'd be great at DE and we could put Pollack back at OLB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 10:42:58 AM
I'm still ashamed. I've told myself every excuse just to make myself feel better. The fact is this. Everytime people look up the National Championship game that was played in 2007, they will see UF 41, OSU 14. No one will know or care that OSU was the better team for the previous 4 months, they will know that Florida was on that day and that's all that matters.

Just like people will always remember Boise State for that Bowl Game, not for what happened the previous months.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
osu is always a national power though, one set back is not the end of the world. they will still pack the horseshoe with 100+ next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 11:33:03 AM
This is a preview for the upcomming college season in DI.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2725188

If Ginn and Gonzo stay, Ohio State may move up some spots next year. Regardless, the Big 10 looks to be back on track...FINALLY...after all these years. Wisconsin may be a team to watch out for as a dark horse favorite to win the Nat'l Championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 11:56:49 AM
they all better watch out for penn st actually. they only lost to the top teams in the conference by slim margins. they are disciplined and joepa, while ancient, is still a very hands on coach. his team will be coached and disciplined. most people don't like to say it, but penn st may be a bcs team next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 12:34:04 PM
I'm already subing at Southwest (harrison) and Three Rivers (Taylor), but I'm already getting any work.  I'm just looking for some part time job on the weekends and something I can do on weeknights.  I'll go on over to Oak Hills and try River Side.

When Jason Taylor was on ESPN this past Sunday he sound pretty intent on staying in South Flordia.  But every has a price tag on them, and Taylor soudned pretty unhappy with the Dolphins this past year so who knows.  He would make a great compliment to the Bengals abviously.  Espicially since Polack Smith are questionable on their return.

When it comes to the Draft I think we need to defiently go the Defensive route espically linebacker because of the lack of depth that we had this and who knows how much longer Brian Simmions has, and doubt that Odel Thurman is coming back.  It would be nice to get some of thoes Penn St. Linebackers.   But yes it would be nice to get some more D-line b/c I was a little disappointed with the play for the rookie from Michician St., he was ok at time in stopping the run and wasn't much better in the pass rush.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 12:53:44 PM
i think if macleod comes back, you will be a lot better off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 01:41:56 PM
The news said Pollack is expected to make a "full" recovery. I'd expect him back. I think he is one of the smarter Bengals. He stated many times that if there was even a 5% chance he'd get hurt again, he was going to retire. Most guys would go out like LT in Any Given Sunday. "Come on coach...I need my bonus."

Macke, your best bet since you finished in December (like myself) is to keep subbing. If you can find a local school who needs a long term sub, that would be great because you would have a consistent job and some pay more per day. Plus, the 4-5 months of sub work will look good when you go out to get a real teaching job. Having some experience and all.

I think Wisconsin would be the better choice. That article said they return 19 starters from a team who finished 12-1. That's a whole lot of experience comming back. Their defense also did something no SEC team could do...hold McFadden in check.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
yes, many principles will get to see you in person and that is how a lot of guys get jobs. principles can see you and that's way better than just sending a resume. don't stress, you'll get one. you sound like you know what's going on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 11, 2007, 02:06:48 PM
At risk of the board imploding and my many laudations of the Barnette offset fullback system as being the real multiple west coast being cast into eternity....

with no further ado.

Dan Connor would play well in a 50 front as a Ted Smith, cough! cough! Andy Katzenmoyer, Mike Vrable hybrid.

Poslusny either needs to put on some weight or find a home opposite a box safety in a 3-4.  Dont believe his height and weight stats for one minute, but believe he is very fast for a linebacker of any size.

Penn State will be hurting in the LB corps next year, as I wasnt impressed with #45.  He does have greater upside than the two aforementioned most recents at LBU, but has yet to grow into his height or shoe size.

Oh yeah, Cowher with a five point touch fall over Wannstedt in the battle for the jaw.

And Tony Hunt is the hidden gem of the draft for those fans of Leroy Hoard.

signed,
Rip Engle

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 03:29:26 PM
god it's good to see that again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 10:59:06 PM
thanks for the insight fellas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 11:02:04 PM
Hey, I know that the college football season has finally come to an end, and this is the down time.  But where have all the other MSJ faithful gone?  In fact where did everyone else go?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 12, 2007, 05:52:00 AM
Macke, whats your certification?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 12, 2007, 08:15:49 AM
I ate my words, Gonzo has decided for the NFL. So too has ND's Darius Walker. Normally I'd say Ted Ginn would be leaving as well (and he very well may), but with his ankle sprain, he won't be able to do any workouts for scouts. As a result, his draft status may lower if scouts can't test him. That in turn may keep him around for another year.

Antonio Pittman is also contemplating the draft. I really don't think he will go becuase teams are going to be more out to get a good HB next year when Hart, McFadden, and Slaton are eligible for the draft. On the flip side, that may send him out becuase he may get a higher round if he leaves early than he would next year. The OSU O-line does return 4 linemen now that Barton said he's staying and with a new QB, OSU will be a more run oriented offense, so who knows.

If Pittman and Ginn go, I see a 9-3 season at best for the Bucks next year. Columbus isn't as good of a recruiting tool as the Southern California beaches and women. It's hard to stockpile talent when the best thing around is Cluck-U and 4 Kegs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 12, 2007, 08:55:54 AM
Cluck-u and 4 Kegs?  WHERE DO I SIGN

Pittman has a press conference scheduled on Monday at is High School in Akron.  if you are announcing you are coming back for your senior season you are going to do that with all of the OSU faithful around in Columbus, not at your high school in Akron.  Also do you think Tressel would want him skipping class on a Monday if he was staying.  Pittman is out like a fat kid in dodgeball.  Ginn is not coming back, i dont think he needs the combine, scouts saw first hand his speed about 8:20pm on Monday
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
my certification is Secondary Social Studies
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 12, 2007, 12:06:18 PM
I get my wish about Walker leaving.  Now we'll get a speedy TB...a gamebreaker.

I kind of figured OSU was going to lose alot this year....those guys are contemplating life without Troy Smith....they just can't trust the new QB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:52:12 PM
So, what are picks for this Weekend in the NFL, espically the Colts Ravens game.  Thinken about placing a little beat a roonie on that one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:57:38 PM
I know that defense teams always come out on top, but I could really go either way on this one!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
dam i'm pissed.  I want my starting status back to that I can sent messages again.
Sayer I got to tell you something that you might find interesting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 12, 2007, 02:07:51 PM
SAINTSFAN, i feel the same way about Walker, not enough speed. 

Macke, I got a job idea for you. Tell people you are Aaron Harang, from the Reds, and charge people for an autograph.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 12, 2007, 02:10:41 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6936
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 12, 2007, 02:11:44 PM
sayer, doesn't he look like Macke???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 02:19:46 PM
SOP, it's worth a shot!

I'm heading down to the ballpark right now to buy his jersey.  Then I'm goiong to set up shop out side the ballpark just like the homeless people do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 12, 2007, 02:53:25 PM
Tried that with a Bernie Kosar jersey.  Drove the Golden Dome ladies mad.  Was the sister of a Domer, believe she was a Bob Knight fan actually, that insisted on the resemblance.  Kinda scary when I saw Bolcar coming around the corner.  Was quick to point out my favorite steakhouse is a Stonebreaker establishment to say the least.

Hep Hep,
Dunbar and Thompson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 12, 2007, 03:36:11 PM
If he looks like Harang...he might want to consider getting a customer service job at Citibank or something ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on January 12, 2007, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 12, 2007, 12:06:18 PM
I get my wish about Walker leaving.  Now we'll get a speedy TB...a gamebreaker.

I kind of figured OSU was going to lose alot this year....those guys are contemplating life without Troy Smith....they just can't trust the new QB.

i think you will also be pleased with the new defensive coordinator...we ain't giving up on Ben Martin yet  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 12, 2007, 06:32:26 PM
shoota!!!! you wanna go the sizzler and get some grub?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2007, 08:27:19 AM
Except for the fact that Aaron Harang is like 6'8" but yeah, Macke looks like him.  Jim, send me an email adam_sayer@hotmail.com. You can tell me whatever you want. The Doctor is in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 13, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
Yes ND is going to have a rough season next year but i think they will still be eligible for a BCS bowl.  Again it looks like they have a killer beginning half schedule then end their season with the patsies.  Opening with G Tech is going to be a good tester esp with they way their backup played in the bowl game (but with calvin johnson gine their DB's won't be tested). then they follow that up with their Big 10 schedule.  THen they must travel to UCLA then back home to revive the rivalry with BC then follow that with USC at home.  i think they can make it out of that schedule with 2 or less loses and be eligible.  I am not saying they will be worthy of the bowl but they will be eligible.

I think it will help that jimmy boy is there taking classes right now and learning the offense this spring and summer.  hopefully that will help the freshman learning curve.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 13, 2007, 09:45:49 AM
on the NFL side i am going to make some bold predictions

Colts - going back to the town they just left overnight and will have the same departure after they win this game

Pats - i just don't see a rookie QB beating bill in a playoff game - i think he will have many defensive looks that will confuse rivers and he will also contain LT for most of the game.  key word is contain b/c i don't think he can be stopped.

Saints - emotional win here just like the fist home game against the ATL

Seahawks - Sexy Rexy is too inconsistent for my liking but it might all come together for him the same way it did for leak.  i see a low scoring affair for this game.


I know i went with 3 out of 4 road teams considering the home team wins 80% of the time in the divisional round.  But all rational thinking went out the window when UF just made THE ohio state SUCKeyes their personal whipping boys (i know this OSU comment is going to give me negative karma but oh well - lol)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 13, 2007, 04:19:54 PM
The NFC games seem pretty definet with Da Bears and the Saints.

I hate to say it but i think that the Ravens are going to disguise coverages and blitzes, and really come after Payton.

With Jamuel Lewis running the ball a on weak rush defense it seems like a pretty easy pick to me.

In the Chargers and Patriots game. I'm going with the LT factor and Shaune Marrion on defense.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2007, 11:29:17 PM
Well, who the **** knows? The Colts won and the Saints. But I will say that the playoff games thus far have been good ngames. Me and you, your momma and your cousin too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 14, 2007, 04:48:33 AM
So, giving out point spreads at the breakfast counter this morning and the Colts-Baltimore game is brought up.  The line in the local paper, dont know if it was the national line or not, favored the Ravens by four.  Quickly proceeded to start handing the line out at 12 for the Dolts.

Now, havent bet on football since January of 86, and even then it was like some attrition fantasy league, where you want the players from your favorites opposition on your fantasy roster to play well and their teammates to lose the ball game for the sake of your real team (read: not fantasy.)  AKA - a point teaser... you know, where all you have to get are the digits in the right hand column correct.

The 86 scenario cost 15 grand on a needless field goal.  Grogans neckroll  alone should have gotten one more first down.  Damn Patriots!

The only reason I bring this up is due to the fact that the Colts got the ball back for the last play of the game well within field goal range. 

Not to be confused with a Bears fan or a Dolts fan, prefer to define my professional football fanship universe as what it is not: a Patriots fan.  Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

Can see it now, the headline will read like this if the Dolts dont get to play the Bolts - that kicker always beats the Colts.  Somebody go warm Vrable up on the jugs machine.

UST Aquinas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 14, 2007, 08:46:04 PM
Tepee, I got Pink Eye. You know how you get that don't ya?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 14, 2007, 09:16:14 PM
Sister just called from San Diego and says I have to do her chores for a month. 

Greg
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 14, 2007, 11:20:37 PM
well 3 out of 4 isn't bad esp when the loss is in OT i was pretty dang close.  we have two great games next sunday with the RCA dome holding its first ever conference championship game, plus manning v. brady plus colts v. pats a matchup i think all NFL fans love

in the NFC we have the feel good story against the reborn monsters of the midway.  that bears pass D had some huge holes in it and the saints have been able to throw the ball against anyone this should be another very good game
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 15, 2007, 01:40:44 AM
if i had many sweaters, would you say that i had a plethora of sweaters?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on January 15, 2007, 09:39:02 AM
and some people say cuecumber taste better pickle..what? huh? what?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 15, 2007, 11:25:45 AM
Anybody notice that Marsha was throwing the ball to Rexs receivers?  Or the fact a Bloomington kids starting in front of the son of the greatest Purdue QB and a former Purdue QB versus old man Grieses potential usurper this coming week?

If I had some nuts hanging on the wall would they be walnuts?

signed,
Herrod, Krauss, Donnell "woot! woot!" Thompson and Bickett
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 15, 2007, 11:37:59 AM
victory bell: In my old neighborhood we would have said that you have a ****load.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 11:46:46 AM
Sayer I don't know how you get pink eye, but i will ask Fortune.  Maybe he can help me! :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 15, 2007, 12:18:05 PM
i know how ya get pink I.  Have you been hanging around doug fortune?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 12:31:41 PM
ya, from not washen the poo off your hands Sayer

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 12:39:44 PM
Now for the football games this weekend.   They pretty much went how i expected thme go with the Colt going into Baltimore and pulling out a W.  How about their kicker Adam Vinitary really stepping it up and booting 5 field goals.  The guy has a golden leg.

For the Patriots Charger game I was very disappionted in the Chargers.  Early on all the droppeed passes that WR's commited, and overall how the team overall justed couldn't capitalize on the Pat's mistakes and couldn't get it done.   Lt had another good day, and what a heck of an athlete.  Just a shame that Marty had to end a seasonm in the playoffs on one play that game down to the kicker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 15, 2007, 01:20:24 PM
sorry guys, i was watching the three amigos and it brought me back to my youth.

you guys think wvu will be a contender after the majority of the staff is up and leaving for different jobs? i had heard some people had them rated in the top five again next year with all talent they have coming back, just curious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 15, 2007, 06:48:59 PM
Well I am officially on the Saints (pro) bandwagon after this weekends games.  I can't believe the Chargers beat themselves like that.  That was hard to watch.  I really wanted to see Drew Brees play the Chargers in the Super Bowl.  I hope Freeney destroys the Pats and Corey Dillon breaks his leg.  Payton Manning is going to make Artrell Hawkins look like he did on the Bengals.  Go Saints. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 15, 2007, 08:31:52 PM
FCC,

I knew you'd come around  ;D

I agree...I'm tired of Brady-Belichek and the Patriots.  Thank God that Rodney Harrison is out though.  Funny thing is I read a story about Albert Haynesworth meeting Harrison after he stomped on that Cowboy's grill.  They were at Waffle House in Atlanta and Harrison drove up in a Yellow Lamborghini....

So the guy can afford a Diablo but eats at Waffle House in the hood?  Hilarious. 

I think Peyton Manning makes Troy Brown look stupid on the last drive this Saturday and then Brees leads the Saints to a blow out. 

Its going to be an awesome Super Bowl with those two teams.  Just make sure the Pats don't make it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 15, 2007, 08:34:49 PM
vbell,

I have to hear about this team all the time becuase of the West Virginians in my office.  They have a much easier road with Petrino leaving.  Really though, they'll still lose a game they should win (ala South Florida at HOME).  They turn the ball over too much with fumbles.  They also need to replace a couple offensive lineman. 

I think Rutgers wins the Big East next year....WVU 2nd, Cincinnati 3rd and Louisville 4th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2007, 09:09:34 PM
UC 3rd may be a stretch with a brand new staff, offense and defense, but the Big East will be a weaker conference next year than it was this year so it wouldn't suprise me. Now that the State University of New Jersey is playing solid ball, Schiano won't have trouble keeping the local kids home. His program is now The Team in that Penn/New York/New Jersey area.

I do agree, somewhat but I haven't heard Brohm was leaving so I think louisville will finish ahead of UC. Ted Ginn and Pittman are gone from OSU. Will definately be a tough year on offense next year. The good thing is Beanie Wells is a heck of a back and he has 4 returning O-linemen, the PK is back, and the defense returns pretty much intact. I think OSU will be playing "Tressel Ball" again. Which is the style of play which won the Nat'l Championship in 2002...with a 1st year starting QB, a freshman HB named Clarrett, and a stout defense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 16, 2007, 10:54:50 AM
i just read that they ran a good respectable program at stout, good choice for those kids looking to avoid the pitfalls of a miami university. didn't really think that sort of thing went on at a d3 school, but i guess we all have our problems.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 09:26:33 AM
This board is dead..

Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 10:29:06 AM
im here man, i check this everyday looking for commentary.

good piece on around the nation. good job keith.

IAA football? sore spot of college football? there seems to be more interest in DIII and DII then IAA. Some perceptions I have heard about IAA is that its just not a good following from facilities, players, fan base, etc... thoughts? I know YSU has a great fan base and APP St looked like it had a huge croud on tv, just wanted to get your opinions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2007, 10:57:22 AM
In 2005 Division IAA had average attendance of 8521 per game; Division III 1840. The strongest DIAA conference in terms of 2005 home attendance was the Southern (Appalachian St., Furman, Georgia Southern, Western Carolina, Chattanooga, Wofford, The Citadel, Elon) with an average of 11,138. In 2005 6 Division IA colleges had average home attendance lower than 11,138. Montana led DIAA with average 2005 home attendance of 22,479 (higher than 34 DIA colleges).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 11:12:55 AM
ha, i doubt there is much to do in montana besides attend games, but the attendance is noted anyways. the big grizz there pull them in.

i though app st looked very impressive in their game against ysu on espn2. their qb is only a frosh, and they may make a run at it for a few more years. they did a nice piece on their president being so supportive for the football and other sports teams there. every school should be so lucky to have a pro-active president in favor of sports. sports enhance the overall college experience for the students, and i think hanover's president forgot some of that. i feel for you guys, not that i like hanover, but you guys did have a good thing going until...admissions standards. any word on the recruiting down there this year? getting any better? what's up hc'rs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 11:16:11 AM
Frank,

Congrats on being elected to the posting Hall of Fame. 

I hear you vbell....its such a lull on the board. 

The guys around here will get back into it shortly,./
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2007, 11:23:11 AM
Hunt and fish.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2007, 11:31:59 AM
SaintsFan: Many thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 18, 2007, 11:35:34 AM
Bill Venard could tell you what to do in Montana...other than sheep....which brings me to a funny joke he told us. Why do farmers take their sheep to the edge of cliffs??? Because they kep backing up :) One of the many sheep jokes.

I just don't have anything to talk about. Got a new job for 10 weeks in the Bethel district. I'm teaching 7th grade math and social studies for a lady out on maternity leave...which means now I'll be getting paid to do work. Just like the rest of y'all. But it should be a bigger paycheck...Whooahh.

I'm out like Montana's fan base during a steak cook off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AngryWhiteMan on January 18, 2007, 11:58:58 AM
January 18th 2007 12:30 PM

a day that will live in emphamy. 


tmc will be in the hunt for a national championship in 3-4 years i guarante.  saintsfan, you are getting the BEST possbile coach for your situation.


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh msj, why could have not f*$&ing offered the man more. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on January 18, 2007, 01:20:23 PM
Congrads to Coach Hilvert on getting hired by TMC, that program is going to be one top in the next few years.  Just wait till he recruits next year and gets his players wow is all i got to say it is going to be scary.  And TMC players if you come on here and look at this get ready to get nasty with it.  This man is in your face 247 pushing you to be the best player you can possibly be.  And some how some way he always gets results.  Angry i agree give it 3-4 years and wait and see where that program will be at.  Just hope the Mount hires someone like Hilvert even though it will be hard to do, cause they are still on the rise and don't want to face any set backs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on January 18, 2007, 01:23:49 PM
http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/Football/

hahaha such a sad day in delhi, i wonder how many beers those players are going to be drinking tonight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Softball Ump on January 18, 2007, 03:30:53 PM
Jim Hilvert the new head coach at TMC....  HOW BOUT DAT!!!!  Good for TMC,,, bad for UB.  But MSJ fans....  AHHH....  Dah Lions will be allright.      I promise ya!  UB has a stack of resumes of guys who want to coach at MSJ.  UB will have to hire them all to replace Jimmy though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 18, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
No comment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 04:05:16 PM
it would appear that the stars are in alignment for franklin to win the conference championship with all this news.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 06:44:02 PM
any ga jobs out there, i know a guy looking.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 08:26:32 PM
First things first..  I hope Coach Dorrel does well wherever he ends up.  Maybe Hilvert keeps him as Defensive Coordinator? 

By all accounts, it appears TMC got what they needed in Hilvert.  Coach Hallett left a great base of players, and I think Hilvert is going to make sure these guys are going to "buy in".  And I think they will....just as we did in 1999.  There are alot of things happening at the school that are going to make TMC VERY competitive in the near future.  I think Coach Hilvert and his staff will be able to recruit greater Cincinnati like Schlager, Venard and Kofler did for the Blue Rebels/Saints in the early to mid 90s.

I know that Coach Hilvert doesn't need to worry about any MSJ bias on the campus or from alums.  Most alums just want a coach to build on the tradition of TMC.  You also have to remember that basically every coach we've had since football started in 1990 have not been TMC guys...with the exception of Hallett.  My point is the school hasn't played enough football to truly have a TMC Coaching Tree per say.  I've spoken to a few former players and they are excited with the decision that has been made.  In a year, the "former MSJ Defensive Coordinator" label will be gone. 

Very exciting day for Thomas More today....

RTD
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 18, 2007, 09:45:33 PM
WOW, what a tuff one to swallow.  TMC was always the biggest rival for me because i disliked those guys so darn much, heck it was easy for me to dislike those guys so much becasue of the way they treated me on my recruiting vist.  And i thought Hilvert always thought the same way.  But being the head guy you can change all that kind stuff.

But when opportunitiy comes knocking on your door you have answer it.  Congradulations to Hilvert.  He is a great person, great coach, and a great friend.  I support him in any thing that he does.  I guess it means that in a year or a two I am going to probably have to support TMC.  But what do i do when week 10 roles a round and TMC plays MSJ?  I guess hope for a tie  ;)

But how did the Mount let this one get away man. This is truely a sad day in Delhi b/c Hilvert is going to build that thing up faster than a Charlie gets into a tree.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2007, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 06:44:02 PM
any ga jobs out there, i know a guy looking.

vbell:

Most likely you know this.  However, you should have your friend consider going to one of those Mega Coaching Conferences they have in the next couple of months.  Those two day conferences held at various locations around the country (many in the MidWest) have big-time speakers, and hundreds of coaches (both college and h.s.) in attendance.  Always a place to find out about available jobs at all collegiate levels.  Of course, the other great source for this is the Annual NCAA Coaching Convention, usually held in Dallas in Jan - may have already been held or perhaps even this weekend - I wasn't sure nor did I check on the date for that this year.  Just some thoughts on your question.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2007, 10:41:03 PM
SaintsFAN:

Thanks for the info.  Interesting and sounds like TMC is a program to be watched for sure next year.  BTW, hope your recovery is going along smoothly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 18, 2007, 11:33:12 PM
M and L:

You will definitely be rooting for TMC until week 10 and then you'll want MSJ to kick there ass.  The nice thing is that both can make the playoffs no matter who wins.  It is truely a free playoff game.  I found myself calling plays against my school in 2002 and that was very odd.  My saving grace was that we were the Blue Rebels when I was there not the Saints, we played at Galbraith Field instead of on campus, and I didn't have many common faces to go against.  It felt pretty distant actually.  It's going to be a lot harder for Hilvert this 1st year going back to MSJ in week 10.  Everything will fade away after that except you former players.  Maybe some former MSJ players will even coach at TMC one day.  I speak from experience.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 19, 2007, 07:18:08 AM
i would like to say congrats to hilvert and TMC.  as everyone has already stated TMC got a great quality coach that is going to improve their team.  someone mentioned about him keeping the DC there which he might but i can't see jimmy letting anyone else call his defense. someone might have the label of DC but i think jim will keep his defensive duties.  yes hilvert will have more responsibilities to deal with but at MSJ he was practically the head coach over there.  it is going to be interesting to see how the recruiting is going to go.  i think MSJ is going to lose some good ball players to TMC now b/c every past MSJ player would agree that hilvert was one of the top reasons why they went there.  after talking to some MSJ coaches last year about recruiting they were telling me how the TMC financial aid packages were much much better then MSJ.  they told me how they lost some players to TMC solely on money situations.  so with TMC having better financial aid packages and an in your face going to push you to your limits coach i could see TMC possibly winning their conference next year and making a trip to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 19, 2007, 11:21:28 AM
thanks, he is a guy just looking to get into college coaching. young guy, some would even say a young buck. i'll let you guys know if he gets one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 19, 2007, 03:08:44 PM
rev,

You got this financial aid deal a little twisted, bro.  Thomas More was the team that was coming up $6,000-$7,000-$8,000 short on financial aid packages over the past 10 years...each player that was offered by both Thomas More and Mount St. Joe can fill you in on that---if they haven't been drinking the same kool aid that you have been. 

No offense brother, but thats just not the case. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 19, 2007, 06:14:01 PM
saints fan well i guess the MSj coaches are drinking the same thing as me b/c here are the exact words from a MSJ coach last offseason "it was cheaper for this recruit to dorm at TMC than commute to MSJ"  now to me that sounds like a better financial aid package.  and this recruit went to TMC instead of the mount.  also this same coach told me that TMC was offering better packages than the mount was for various reasons.  now the packages may have been better in the past but recently it seems like TMC has that edge now.  most of you know which coach i am talking about FYD.  things can change and i guess financial aid packages are no exception
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 19, 2007, 06:45:02 PM
well then the tmc average student body must be getting darn close to the same packages. as stated in my earlier fights with the hc crowd (just because i like picking on them), they stated (correctly) that the student body must receive the same averages as the athletes. otherwise it would be considered an athletic scholarship.

the ncaa has a system of checks and balances for this sort of thing. they check records to make sure similar students are not getting higher aid and that they play sports, which could be red flag. to quote the program, they ncaa has a system in place for this sort of thing, i suggest that we let them handle it. however, if you feel so strongly about it, you can file a complaint and be sort of a whistle blower. we can call you deepthroat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 19, 2007, 11:54:27 PM
yes i wasn't directly saying that the athletes were getting better packages i was just stating that TMC had better packages than MSJ it had nothing to do with athletics i nthat way the only connection to athletics i was making was that some students make their final decision on which college will be cheaper for them and if TMC is giving th ebetter aide then that might steal a few from the mount
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2007, 12:24:05 AM
I'm sittin here in west virginia after watching some of the worst officiating in wrestling history. I already plan on kicking an officials a$$ tomorrow. I think as MSJ guys, we knew this day was comming. Maybe not at TMC but we knew the day Jim Hilvert became a HC was coming. Sooner than later too. I have no remorce for TMC. I have many friends who have attended their and have gotten along with their coaches and players. I hope he does well, except for week 11. 10-0 MSj vs 10-0 TMC. HOW BOUT DAT.

Also, the financial packages are about equal. Back in the day (2000) MSJ gave me a better deal than TMC, I'm sure it switches every couple years.

SaintsFan...no more RTD :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 20, 2007, 08:10:36 AM
some students make their final decision on which college will be cheaper for them and if TMC is giving th ebetter aide then that might steal a few from the mount
And Rev,

What I am telling you is its the OTHER WAY AROUND.   So there's no such thing as a GCL Grant?

Agree to disagree. 


Sayer,

You were already a TMC fan basically except for week 11...so what changes for you? 

Seriously though sorry to hear about your experience in WV...do you expect much less down there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 20, 2007, 08:20:14 AM
congrats, to coach Hilvert.  He is a hell of a coach and even a better person.  He needs to get the mascot changed back to Blue Rebels, or even better TMC Hitmen!  How bout that!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 21, 2007, 01:04:59 PM
You can tell by looking at some of those kids that their families are a little "too" close. I'm an ugly bastard and I look like George Clooney compared to these guys. I did throw a rule book onto the mat on Saturday and told the official to learn how to read. That cost me a team point and was threatend to be removed from the tournament. I belive when Huber was the wrestling coach, he used the line once when an official threatend to take away a team point: "take em all, I don't f'in need em."

I guess nothing really changes at all, but if I'm Rod, I'm looking for another coach with some strong Cincy Area connections. Hilvert's relationship with area coaches is going to help recruiting big time...almost like Coombs at UC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 21, 2007, 02:14:42 PM
Sayer i like the move but the high School refs are not quite as nice when it comes to smart ass comments...still funny though.

sitting here waiting for the playoff games and found the Program on Starz.  Tim Wayman just went to the house to take the lead in the Hiseman chase.

VB sorry for being quiet been travelling a lot start of the year sucks in sales becuase you have to attend 20 planning meetings.  although the next 2 week should be a riot.  3 day meeting at the Mohegan Sun Casino next week then 5 days in Waikiki for another meeting...rough i know
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 21, 2007, 09:39:57 PM
When your dealing with kids (most of these officials were in their young 20's) and they are on a power trip, you gotta insult them or embarrass them in front of someone. Arguing isn't going to do any good. It's like banging your head against a wall. I gave up a team point but we wern't going to win a team championship anyways. It took this kid about 3 seconds to pick his jaw off the mat to tell me I lost a team point and anything else would get me removed. The best part was later in the evening after the HS kids finished, he found me in the hall to talk to me. I told him I didn't teach literacy, I taught math and to leave me alone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 21, 2007, 11:19:28 PM
what a hell of a game that late game was. finally manning has that silverback down graded to just a monkey on hi sback with that gime winning drive against the pats.  i think it makes for an interesting super bowl matchup but the bears pass defense has looked a little suspect the past two weeks but their running game has looked solid.  but this is three straight games the colts defense has held the opposing team to under 100 yards rushing.  they have stepped it up and jus tneed one more big game.  i think dungy will plan on just stopping the run and try to let rex beat him.  the tackles for the bears don't look like they will be able to hand the pass rush of freeny that well.  i think the cotls are going to win it all this year and they will win by 3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 22, 2007, 12:22:20 AM
Ya, but the Colts gave up like 82 yards in the first half.  Don't know why the Pats gave up on the run game in the second half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 22, 2007, 12:28:39 PM
must have been because of all the All-Pro receivers New England thinks they have. 

Really it was Offensive Coordinator McDaniels out-thinking himself. 

The Bears are going to run all over the Colts...  Manning is going to be under intense pressure to score on the limited possessions he gets as a result of the new ball control offense.  Once those DE's for the Bears get their ears pinned back to rush him, they'll be comparing them (rightly or wrongly) to the Monsters of the Midway. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 22, 2007, 11:52:49 PM
This Super Bowl could go in so many directions because you have Rex Grossman playing QB.  If the Bears run the ball and take deep shots then they could force Manning to press.  If they want Rex to control the ball with his arm then I think the Indy pass rush will force un-recoverable errors.  Having said that, if Indy can't get it in the endzone and Vinatieri has to kick a record number of field goals then Chicago can stay in reach.   Then the Chicago's run game can win it for the Bears.  If they stay close and patient then they may take it.  I'd bet the reverse however.  I think early scores by Indy forces the Bear's hand and they never recover.  They will need a defensive score to turn that around or have no chance.

Like I said, who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 23, 2007, 08:04:44 AM
The Saints offense was able to move the ball on Da Bears pretty effectively...until they kept turning it over. Once everything settled down after the 1st quarter (no team scored) the Saints did pretty well on offense. But it doesn't matter how many yards you rack up if you don't hold on to the football and that's what ultimately killed the Saints offense; not lack of production. I think the Colt's offense is better fundamentally than the Saints and you're giving Payton Manning 2 weeks to watch film and prepare. Da Bear's defense has also given up quite a few big plays and isn't the same dominating force like they were in weeks 1-8. I don't think the colts have to worry about Da Bears ball control offense because Rex will fold and eventually provide some TO's.

I'm seeing a 27-14 Colts win. I think Payton's problems were in large part due to the team in Boston and that coach and now that he's beaten him/them, the pressure is actually off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 23, 2007, 08:49:04 PM
Well put FCC Approved, I agree

But for my pick I am sticking with preason pick in the Colts. This is one Chance that Payton isn't going to let slipp.  Besides, I just think the colts are the all around better team.

Sayer, 27 pts, thats it.   At least 30-34 pts. 3 TD's and who knows how many FG Vinatieri makes
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 23, 2007, 11:40:04 PM
saintsfan, thank you. i agree.

this game could be one for the ages, the superbowl i mean. high powered offense vs the high powered defense. last time we saw this type of a draw was the patriots vs the rams. i love indy and manning (his commercials are great. "moooovers") and i love the bears defense.

for those who know a bit about indiana, the state may be somewhat divided as most of the people from the region consider themselves chicago residents, not from indiana. should make for some great superbowl parties with many many wings and beer. lots of beer. i love it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 24, 2007, 07:49:50 AM
Just the NW Corner of Indiana down until you get to Valpo on 65 is still "Chicago's suburbs." Everyone else in Indiana are most likely to be Colts Fans.

When I was in Chi-Town, our hotel was 1/2 mile from Soldier Field. I didn't realize how small it was before they added on to it. Just by looking, it seems as if they could only fit 40-45,000 people in it before remodeling.

I remember the Rams-Pats game becuase I won a lot of money by taking the Pats outright. The Rams were double-digit favorites and I bet on the Patriots to win (not just beat the spread). It was about a $200 lucky guess.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2007, 08:22:42 AM
Sayer,

having lived in Indianapolis prior to during the first year the Colts were there, I can tell you that most of the state are huge Bears fans because thats all they had prior to Irsay leaving Baltimore in the middle of the night in 84ish.  Indy embraced the Colts right away even though they were TERRIBLE with Mike Pagel at QB, then supported them through the Eric Dickerson days and then now...

I still have cousins and a late aunt/uncle up there who are pulling for both.  They are indeed Colts fans, but they won't be pissed at either result.

Its funny all this talk is going on, because I'm going to a cousin's wedding in Phoenix in 6 weeks (I have a huge family) and most everyone brought up this very subject yesterday via email.  The consensus was that my grandfather would be VERY excited to see this Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 24, 2007, 11:02:04 AM
As originally constructed in the 20s (and before 2 relatively recent renovations) Soldier Field had a seating capacity for football games in excess of 100,000.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 24, 2007, 11:58:50 AM
Frank is right, the original stadium was a huge oval, but kind of cut it short for football purposes. the original 100 + seating wasn't all that great for football. on the one end you were like 70 yards away from the nearest endzone.

region people really like the bears, chicago, and bad traffic. really bad traffic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 24, 2007, 04:06:21 PM
Sayer, Look at the new o-line coach /offensive cordinator at TMC....


http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/Football/assistants.cfm



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 24, 2007, 04:42:28 PM
You gotta be kidding me. Sh!t yeah we'll line up. I bet the offense don't take written quizes now at TMC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 24, 2007, 05:02:02 PM
colts 18
bears 17

thoughts? predictions?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 24, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
you got to be kidding me.  Good for Carp.

Did you see who is at Linebackers?  Didn't take long for PJ and Hilvert to reunite, and I bet it feels so good.   Good for PJ.

It looks like TMC is going to have a nice staff over there.

I can only speculate at who is going to be the D-line coach?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 25, 2007, 08:09:37 AM
alot of changes at TMore this year....hopefully the field gets an upgrade as well.

The football alumni are meeting Coach Hilvert on Saturday...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 25, 2007, 09:11:12 AM
Macke, are you referring to "Softball Ump" as the new D-line coach??? I know what I can do. I can be the TMC director of player interests and football opperations. Kind of like the new Oakland coach when he was in his first (and only) NFL authority position at Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AngryWhiteMan on January 25, 2007, 09:17:33 AM
i would say that peters is a safe bet
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 25, 2007, 01:21:12 PM
If word around is true, TMC found themselves a kick coach and QB coach all wrapped up in one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 25, 2007, 03:49:59 PM
i take it you guys know all these guys?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 25, 2007, 04:11:05 PM
Really, man, that stinks because their not going to understand a word that man says with that texian jibberish.  ;)

Don't see why Peters wouldn't but you never know what hubbie is offering.  I doubt that he would quite his teaching job.  But its what ever works best for him.

V-bell: We know everyone and then some.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 25, 2007, 04:21:28 PM
Sayer,

More like JP has found his way BACK to Thomas More.   This way he can one day be up for an induction at the school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 25, 2007, 06:53:31 PM
Yes, I have committed to Coach QB's for TMC which means I won't be able to post on here any longer.  I'm really looking forward to working with Charlie Carpenter.   I may have to get a divorce and may lose my business but I can't pass it up this year.  One more time right?   I'll stop by to say hi once in a while. 

See you all during the season!

Coach John Paul Case
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 26, 2007, 09:23:45 AM
Congrats to you JP.  Coach carp is a good guy.  Real laid back until he hits the practice field.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2007, 10:55:16 AM
FCC (i.e. Coach JP):

Just wanted to offer my congratulations to you on your new coaching position.  For sure, decisions like that are difficult to make in regards to one's family life and other employment.  However, opportunities like that don't always present and when they do, as you mention, sometimes we just have to take them as they might not pass our way again.  I can speak from personal experience in having had the same opportunity like you in a collegiate coaching position (for me, it probably was one of those "once in a lifetime") and I'm glad I did it.  At any rate, I wish you all the best in your new position.  We'll miss your contributions on the board, but obviously we'll all be following your team along with the rest of ours around here. 

All the best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 26, 2007, 11:32:40 AM
Will resume one of the last rants had on the HCAC board before its suspicious demise.  This ones for the Griz and Saintsfan, has the Lambert Cup ever made it as far East as Kentucky?  As honorary HCAC champs according to Saintsfan and myself being an outsider to the PAC board felt that statement belonged here, at least there is now a tie in to PA.

Appears to be one helluva coaching staff forming on the other side of the Bridge Bowl.  This could get very interesting.

signed,
the Pilsbury throwboy
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 26, 2007, 01:34:31 PM
will tmc have a hard time with all the travel to the road games? those hikes have got to get old after awhile??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 26, 2007, 02:00:23 PM
How many trips do they have to make that would require them to stay overnight? Two maybe three.  It shouldn't be all that bad
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
vbell:

Perhaps our friend SaintsFAN can provide us with some insight on that.  I have wondered about that from the beginning as well.  While it is great that TMC became a member of a conference, IMO, it is still too bad they were taken in to the HCAC (if not only for the travel aspects among other reasons - many of which we've had mulitple discussions in the past on this in regards to the "historical" disagreements/controversies, difference of opinions, political aspects, etc. involved among the schools considering that.

On the other hand, I guess one could look at it as being that there are only (usually) 5 away games for TMC (one of which, in some years, is only across the river with MSJ for the annual "Bridge Bowl") so perhaps 4-5 trips in the overall perspective is not too bad in that light.  Certainly, TMC considered that when they joined the PAC, yet, like you, I wonder if this travel aspect can't but be a "tiresome" aspect at times, even if just a slightly.  Yet, TMC had to do this somewhat before anyway, when they had to line up games before being in a conference (i.e. playing Alma, etc.).  Anyway, I will be interested to hear any opinions and/or info on this from SaintsFAN and/or any other TMC fans as to what the coaching staff and players might think.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2007, 02:06:26 PM
Addendum:

M & L you have a point.  Perhaps there are only 2-3 of those 4-5 trips that would require overnight stays and thus i.e. more $.  Still, an 8 hour+ bus trip can get old as opposed to a 2-3 hour ride.  Most schools have only "one long distance card" played per year (you know, those "home on home" agreements between schools for a set contract). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 26, 2007, 05:14:11 PM
I think the team is adjusting to the travel.  The level of competition over in the PAC is great and I think that once the team gets into the big dance, the team will be prepared for it.  They play against teams that spread it out and throw and also teams that grind it out.  Its a good mix...

I don't think it affects the kids as much as we'd think...I can remember when I was in school and the road trips (to TX, WI, and Pittsburgh) didn't really affect me so much.

Macleod,

I'll get to that later....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 26, 2007, 06:54:03 PM
that is true. that conf is pretty tough, and if you do well in it you get national recognition immediately. i imagine the budget had to be greater to account for renting buses and hotels at times. that is a large investment by the school, and one that can dip into your recruiting budget if the school hasn't planned accordingly. i still won't understand why tmc wasn't in the hcac, but it's good to see a "local" school doing well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 27, 2007, 05:14:48 PM
when i played we had 2 overnight road trips, but it never affected our play or bothered us.  It was just business as usuall. 

TMC should have been allowed in the HCAC, but i don't think that the AD's and coaches would vote or allow them in because at the time TMC was so competitive and give those schools a run for their money.  Think about, TMC could have joined the conference and won the HCAC championship their first year and went to the playoffs.  I don't think that would look to good concerning other schools in the conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 27, 2007, 08:31:07 PM
M & L and vbell:

There are many people who would agree with you that TMC should be in the HCAC.  However, unfortunately, there is much more to that situation with regards to some political disagreements, controversies and other aspects on both sides and some "behind the scenes" issues that were at the center of that consideration in recent years.  This has been discussed and debated by many on this board quite extensively in past years and is a rather sensative subject.  As such, I would say that most people would prefer not to bring this up again here for legit reasons.  However, if you sincerely want to know some of the history of these past issues regarding this, may I suggest you contact SaintsFAN "off-line" (and also some of the other HCAC veteran posters) and he/they could provide you with some insight into all of this.  While I know some aspects because of someone close to me who had been involved in a "tangential" way with TMC in the early '90's, I am/was basically an "outsider" to some of the other aspects invovled and as such, do not feel I am qualified to relate specifics, nor do I consider myself an expert on this topic (although I do have my own opinion based on what I know).  Anyway, I don't want to bring up a "sore point" with any of our colleagues here on this board, yet, anyone has the legit right to ask about such a situation, and especially for some of our younger colleagues here on the HCAC board who weren't around in those years when this debate/issue was going on.  Hope that helps albeit slightly.  ;) 

Anyway, in regards to the travel question; I think most of us "formers" would agree with you about the long road trips.  As a player, it was just part of the game and program and you did what you had to do i.e. played the game.  Didn't really affect most of us I believe; at least not for me personally.  Thanks for your input. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 28, 2007, 02:05:30 AM
Sayer:

In one of your posts you asked for some spread playbooks.  I have a bunch that I can give you.  I can email you West Virginia 2005 since I have that on my computer.  It's a large file but it's really good.  What's a good email address to receive a large file?

I also have OSU 2002 if you want to get all O-HI-O with your team.

If your feeling confident in yourself, I'll give you the Patriots playbook from last year.  It is rediculous.  A play that we would have called "Right 51" they call "O out slot R 535 max base H left"

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2007, 10:03:12 AM
I don't know how large my hotmail limit is or my school's limit is, but I'll give you both. adam_sayer@hotmail.com and sayer_a@betheltate.org. I'll take any and everything. I need reading material and what better to read than an Ohio State, West Virginia, or New England's playbooks.

I think sticking with Right 51 was better than O out slot R 535 max base H left . That is why QB's have speakers in their helmets because some smart guy said "remembering all that while running 20 yards to the huddle is a pain in the a$$"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2007, 10:12:48 AM
I have all the parents in Bethel mad at me because I reamed our best kid for losing his finals match. His mom was damn near crying because I stood her son against the wall and screamed "you're better than that." Another parent was in my face telling me I shouldn't be yelling at the kids like that and I need to calm down. I replied that the kids need to win the matches they are supposed to win and not doing so is unacceptable. This was the same parent whose son won, and when I came up and said he did well, the parent replied "the kid was just weaker" and when his son walked by said "that wasn't nothing, go sit in the stands."

The worst part was I took him back next to the bleachers away from everyone so I wouldn't embarrass him yelling at him in front of everyone, but still happend to be in the way of the projection of the team scores on a 20ft x 20ft screen. So a 10ft shadow of Coach Sayer laying into this kid was showing up on the screen for everyone to see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 28, 2007, 10:43:28 AM
In the middle of games Paul Brown effectively used to say quietly but icily to future hall-of-famers, "you're killing us".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2007, 12:42:50 PM
When you're at that level, "you're killing us" is all the motivation needed to do well.

In my opinion, HS kids, especially the ones who lay around with their girlfriends before matches, need a fire lit under their butts. The only way I know how is to be intense and use the "in your face" approach. I do make it a point to try to build them up after I tear the down, but kids need that. They need attitude and someone to get in their a$$ and chew it because in the real world, there is no sympathy for the "good guy" who tries hard, but still isn't good at his job. He's fired without a second thought. You don't make excuses, you just find a way to get the job done by any means necessary. This approach worked for me. I was more successful when a coach was yelling "I aint taking this sh!t from some 18 year old punk" because it pushed me to do better.

I've said some crazy dumb stuff in my years, but it wasn't for lack of caring or lack of a will to win. I don't think any of my teamates will ever accuse me of not caring and I think they know that I worked to be the best and that was something I learned in HS because I wasn't cut any slack. I was getting my butt chewed for losing to state placers when I was a freshmen or missing a block when I started varsity my sophomore year. As a result, I've become a better person and was a decent college football player. The goal is to accomplish the same results with these kids using the same methods of coaching.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 28, 2007, 01:23:05 PM
Sayer I know the kind of athlete you were emotionally so bet some things didn't change much in your coaching being the very blunt out spoken person that you are.

I have had similiar experiences in my first year of coaching Taylor.  Basically, they fit the same mold as your guys, which is pampered.  Not with luxuries, but in terms of responsibility and toughness.  I see it alot in the upper classman in my school, and when i challenge them, regrarding in our off season workout just to be a leader, they simply crumble.  So since there not used to be pushed to strive and perform at a higher level they feel unconfortable.  They don't want to do the extra work.  They are used to settling for average, average effort.  So when I jump or there ass for having that kind of attitude or ride their ass for more.  They go home and complain to their parents "that coach Macke is a Big A$$ and hates me because he pushes me to hard and makes me do all these little things that are difficult."  Then we got to here from parents who have that same mentallity/ attitude as their son.

Sayer I had one parent who I ran into at my brothers wrestling meets who was still bent out of shape of last years play calling, and then preceeded to question "what are we going to do about" along with are off season workout and "What are the purpuses of doing little things like Dot Drills and jumping up and down on boxes"  I don't mind answering questions, but telling what we should or shouldn't do.  Well you can only imagine how i felt. 

The great thing is that it isn't all the kids.  Just a few of the older kids who aren't used to having a young coach with no outside life and who is so dedicated.  The younger guys seem like they are slowly getting the point and the ethusiaism is starting to rub off.

Sayer you just keeping coaching the Sayer way and don't change who you are.  At time I just had to find different methods of delivering my message.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 28, 2007, 02:09:34 PM
maybe the parents should write you a letter of thank yous because you fired the kid up and kept him off the couch of losers. maybe if his own parents would quit breast feeding him, he would be more equipped to go out and wrestle some matches at a higher intensity level. maybe if the kid could stop feeling sorry for himself and rise up to the occasion and learn how to compete you wouldn't have to scream at him. you may be the last line of defense for this kid before he goes down a dark and lonely path of excuses and babying parents for the rest of life. sayer, i commend you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 28, 2007, 08:48:14 PM
Sayer:

I sent West Virginia (7mb) to bethel tate.  I sent BYU (Norm Chow passing) and Urban Meyer Utah 2004 to hotmail.

Let me know if you get them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 28, 2007, 09:38:12 PM
sayer or fcc you may have to forward those to my email. i love reading that stuff and seeing how it all operates.

victorybell_57@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 28, 2007, 09:53:04 PM
Have the last three Norm Chow playbooks, but they have been integrated into a favored run game.  As such, have been sworn to secrecy.

However, would like to hear and share some thoughts as to how and why it works the way it does in general.

Some real innovation there with regards to the creation of passing windows via position designation, motion and obvious complementary run game as an addendum to slide protections.

The Detroit Lions were ahead of the curve decades ago (think: Scott Mitchell) with the nasty tight end split and offset fullback.  Think the University of Nevada pistol has some keen insights as well, but have as yet received only cutups with which to make a facsimile handwritten playbook.

Think its all very contrary to Spurriers famous dig system, though remember a bowl game against Butch Davis a few years back where the ole ball coach traded blows using the tight end from nasty, only to come up short as Butch was able to get other production from Shockey.  Would be willing to bet the Scotgun out of the MIAA uses the Norm Chow system but expect its from scratch and not a mix.

signed,
the AndOne mixed tape tour
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 29, 2007, 09:28:52 AM
http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/assistants.cfm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 29, 2007, 09:29:37 AM
Looks like UB needs a new d-line coach
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2007, 09:56:42 AM
Eric Schnieder would be a great addition to the Mount as a D-line coach.

JPC, I got them. My hotmail limit is 1000 MB (whatever that means. I'm not computer lingo literate). Thanks a bunch. I've already printed out some stuff from WVA's to use for wrestling (expectations, psychological profile of a champion, etc.) just to show them how the world works at the next level. Most of my guys are football first, wrestling second and have considerations of playing college football, but don't want to beleive me (nor do their parents) what's expected, how they are spoken to, and the difference of coaching strageties even at a DIII school.

I admit, I cuss more than I should (and I was throwing out the F-bombs between the "you're better than thats"), but I make it a point to try to treat my guys like guys. Not kids. I try to treat them they they will if they go to college and play a sport because honestly, I think many good athletes come to college and can't take a coach screaming in their face when they screw up. Mental toughness is hard to find in today's youth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 29, 2007, 12:09:15 PM
coaching strategies? anybody see rich rodriguez just mf'ing guys coming off the field. they don't really have time to worry about hurt feelings.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 29, 2007, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2007, 09:56:42 AM

I admit, I cuss more than I should (and I was throwing out the F-bombs between the "you're better than thats"), but I make it a point to try to treat my guys like guys. Not kids. I try to treat them they they will if they go to college and play a sport because honestly, I think many good athletes come to college and can't take a coach screaming in their face when they screw up. Mental toughness is hard to find in today's youth.

Sayer:
I can understand your intent as stated above.  However, with all due respect, IMO, I think it not setting a very good example with use of inappropriate language at any level, let alone the h.s. ranks.  You are supposed to set an example and, of course, these young guys look up to you and they'll think it okay to use such, even if letting a word slip hear or there.  Now I'm sure you (or others) might argue that "it's the way it is in life", however, I would suggest that still as coaches we need to set the example and even the slightest slip is inappropriate.   I would submit that, even without the language issue, your coaching objective and goals can still be met and even more some.  Call me old fashioned, but that just MO. ;)

Quote from: victorybell_57 on January 29, 2007, 12:09:15 PM
coaching strategies? anybody see rich rodriguez just mf'ing guys coming off the field. they don't really have time to worry about hurt feelings.

vbell:

I know of someone who was an assistant to Rodriguez (someone who is a longtime DI assistant coach with experience at many big-time programs) and from what I hear (from my source), he did not think very highly of RR for a variety of reasons, one of which somewhat tangential related to what you are talking about.  Just some additional info to "throw into" the discussion. ;D     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 29, 2007, 06:06:08 PM
Sayer, thats not a bad idea. 

Schiender as Pat MacAtte's understudy as a D-Line coach.

Even Dryer as The Wide out coach.  Didn't see that one coming, is he the GA over there?

In high school i do agree coaches do need to watch there P's and Q's, not just for role model purposes, but there are parents and other members in the community in the stands who probably don't want to be hearing that.

College, little different, different atmosphere and its a business for those coaches.  The gusy that they are talking to are supposed to be more mature and adult like.  Besides no one is forcing these players to go to these schools and play for a guys that has a potty mouth.

But still there need s to be a limit some where, right Sayer  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 30, 2007, 12:40:06 AM
i get that most dI coaches don't waste time with high priced DI players not knowing what they are doing or selling out. yes it takes some coaches to get in their face to get that effort out of them, but RR does a great job of recruiting and telling them up-front "look, you're in my world now grandma." if it was my kid, i would say shut up and do your job. you are getting a free education out of it and many other doors opened to you that other places do not have. however, i wouldn't appreciate my kid being embarassed on national tv either. i don't think they will be as good next year with half of their coaching staff leaving anyhow, but we'll see. hard to replace some quality coaches they had.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 30, 2007, 11:36:37 AM
I find that the way I coach is directly related to the way I was coached...DUH. Last year, Deer Park's AD asked me if I have ever heard them cuss at us and yell at us like I did to the kids one day (the AD was my D-Coordinator). I remember back to when we came back, down 30-10 against Indian Hill and won in OT 36-30. Every coach, including him was letting the spit fly and was holding nothing back during the halftime talk. I've had coaches yell at me and pull me around by my face mask/singlet depending on the season. The wrestling room was no different. Our coach let us say whatever and when he was angry at your effort, he didn't hold anything back.

Obviously college was similar because we were all adults. Locker room talk was who F'ed who and F-this and F-that,  Bill Venard chewing people's asses my freshmen and sophomore year, and the Hubie pre-game and halftime talks.

I know I cuss a lot, especially when I yell. Hence, I haven't yelled that much this year. I let out the bull****s and asses every now and then, but other than that, I've worked hard to keep the F-words to a minimum.

This weekend at the tournament, something had to be said for the effort the kids gave. There was none and this has been something that has been going on for a few weeks. The kids haven't been performing up to standard. We've tried sitting them down as a team and talking to them, we've talked to them as individuals, we've given them days off when we had a weekend free, and we were getting the same "Ho-Hum" effort. Nothing had changed. So in my opinion, the boys needed some fire. They needed a coach to take them into the shower and get within 2 inches of their face and yell how they are F'ing embarrassing themselves and their effort is horrible. They needed to be told to not come back to practice because they didn't F'ing do anything and their effort sucks. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I'm happy to say that it worked. The effort and attitude was better after that yell session and 4-5 of our kids placed. The effort yesterday at practice was better and the kids were going hard, damn near getting into fist fights. We actually had intensity at a practice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 30, 2007, 10:23:16 PM
Sayer not to worry i am a habitual F'Bomber too, but i can tell you to save that one for "special"occasions and it will get the point across a lot better.  the OC/Oline coach in my 4 years only used it about 2-3 times in 4 years and it sent a major league message when he used it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 31, 2007, 01:51:21 AM
i agree with sayer. no matter what the means (well, you know what i mean) you have to always preach intensity and competition in practice. you get a lot farther with the athletes if their intensity level is high, and they learn how to play/wrestle full speed all the time. once it gets conditioned to them that way, they can achieve a whole lot more than otherwise. once they learn that anything less will not be accepted, you have them and they will run through brick walls for you.

i had a coach in high school who was as serious as a heart attack about going full speed all the time and he never swore. but you knew he would never, ever tolerate half hearted effort. it was like you just did the worst thing ever if you didn't go full speed like everybody expected you too. "you can be slower, weaker, less talented, but you can absolutely outwork the guy across from you no matter what else happens and win the battle." there are problems when you don't believe him, or in yourself, but he makes sure that you lose that battle and learn how to believe in him and yourself really quickly. he doesn't lay off until you do.

i know it sounds trite, but this man absolutely motivated guys to accomplish things i have never thought possible. i witnessed a .500 wrestler finish 2nd in the state with a chance to win the title match by wrestling suffocating matches and outconditioning his opponents. and this kid sucked at wrestling to be honest, but he went into a flurry for 6 minutes that nobody could even think about matching. when you see a national freestyle champ dry heaving at the END of wrestling season by being pushed so hard, you know what competition is all about. oh, and he beat that kid.

motivate, tolerate nothing short of your best, and demand excellence. anything less is cheating those kids and you are not a real man if you are scared to get that out of them. they'll respond, because they know you care about them. being good is only a small part, having pride in yourself to be your best in another.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2007, 08:08:50 AM
I don't advocate the use of verbal torture, however, I'm not against using it. Like I said, Saturday was really the first time I yelled at the kids. I've gotten on them in the past, but Saturday was the first time I went "all out" on them. 3-4 years ago would have been different. But my situation 3-4 years ago was different. I was still playing college football and even at the DIII level, the intensity level is high. I've learned to control my anger and have began to find other ways to motivate kids. 70_DC is correct in the fact when you keep yelling, it loses it's luster. After a while kids just think "well here we go again, coach is gonna yell" and they don't think anything of it.

I had a meeting Monday with the principal and she was cool about everything but expressed the fact that "I can't coach like I was coached or the way she was coached" and all that jazz. I expressed that I didn't want to be the head coach next year. Being the head man, if the kids don't give a good effort, it comes back on me. I can't handle that. I can't handle being associated with underachievement. It drives me nuts and until I get older and more calm, I'd be better fit to be an assistant coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 31, 2007, 08:49:00 AM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070131/SPT030101/701310366/1062/SPT
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2007, 10:52:26 AM
Thats not a bad hire for MSJ. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 31, 2007, 12:05:00 PM
ehhhhh, you can yell at kids all you want. i would cut back on the swearing due to fruity parents nowadays. don't want to get reprimanded because some soft skinned gq dad didn't like that you swore.

who knows that coach that was at anderson? is he really good?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2007, 01:25:20 PM
rumor has it...he's the best PE teacher in Cincinnati east of I-71 and west of I-275.

the guy has won some games at Anderson....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2007, 02:53:35 PM
We'll have to see what happens. I thought all along the coaching search would come down to a Cincinnati guy for recruiting purposes. You don't want an outside individual comming in, not knowing the area and giving all the Cincy talent to that school across the river. Finding a guy from a large school was gonna be big. Coaching at Anderson, you get connections to other large schools on the eastside (Eastside and MSJ in the same sentence....WOW). I think now they have a knowledgable guy who can recruit Moeller, Anderson, Turpin, McNick, Milford, Loveland, Amelia, etc. more effectively than in years past because those area coaches know of this guy. I know Rod lives out there, and don't get me wrong, Rod and Ron Woyan are highly respected individuals in Cincinnati HS football, but it's different with Suriano coaching against them year in and year out compared to the local Cincy college coach comming in to talk to the kids.

I know what kind of offense they ran at Anderson too. It rhymes with shed. MSJ may be sporting a new look next season, similar to the 2001 season with less confusion. I would like to know what happend to Sparhawk. Was he demoted, did he go somewhere else? I think Joey was starting to get the hang of things and in the next couple years was going to be a solid OC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 31, 2007, 03:13:43 PM
It's not my fault you were confused :-*.  Maybe the geniuses in the backfield dragged you down.  Hard to run anything when the RB's decide they are going to"spread" the ball the the OT via the forward pass when the sweep was losing 10 yards because the slot was running a route instead of blocking primary force!

WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 31, 2007, 03:15:25 PM
YANKEE ELWAY!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 31, 2007, 03:16:35 PM
Sayer, I agree with you on Joe.  And they still need a d-cordinator!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 31, 2007, 05:15:03 PM
I think the anderson guy was brought in for more recruiting purposes like Sayer said.  I also heard that him and Hubbie go all the way back to Cape.  Hence the best PE teacher on the sest side of Cincinnati right behind Peters.  I also think that it was kind a spur of the moment kind of thing as well. 

Good point Tepee.  How can you bring recruits in on the defense side of the ball when all that you have is a linebacker coach who doesn't workfull time.

But then then again you know Hubbie, he always seems to come up with some interesting coaches.   Whats that?  Is Dick Cells coming out of the wood works!   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 31, 2007, 05:19:03 PM
oh, what about Joe?  I mean i know he holds other positions up there so it would be kind of hard for him to walk away from that.  By the way what did he get his undergrade in?  was it education b/c in that case there is that possibilty of highschool.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 01, 2007, 08:19:25 AM
FCC,

Thats some funny chit.  I'm still laughing from that very story on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 01, 2007, 08:24:01 AM
I wasn't confused, but how about Todd Riedel telling Bill Venard, "You coach, I'll play." He was lost. Didn't he actually draw the diagrams of our plays on his wrist band so he knew how to line up? The toy Soldier and the Riddler. Todd actually lives about a 5 minute walk from me. I still think we beat Hanover that year if that screen pass wasn't called back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 01, 2007, 01:51:39 PM
screen called back? did those zebras say somebody was holding or down field?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on February 01, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
holding on the WR that was away from the play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 01, 2007, 11:39:14 PM
that sucks, and that a ref actually called that unless it was obvious sucks as well. my condolences.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 02, 2007, 05:49:40 PM
To the D, to the E to the L-I-C-I-O-U-S. Just like Hooter's all you can eat wings on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on February 02, 2007, 06:57:43 PM
i heard from the rumor mill that rashon has packed it up and is back in texas.  does anyone know the reason as to why this has happened?  now what does this do ofr the mount? i know they had third and fourth stringers but now have jumped up to number one for a new offense and no experince.

with so many changes to a program in one season with coaching and players it will be interesting to see how the MSJ program handles all of this on the field.  it wil be like watching a completely different MSJ team
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 03, 2007, 08:27:37 AM
Sayer scared him away....seriously.  Actually he posted a message on that idiot's facebook page...and they both ran off to TX. 

Seriously though....this is a step in the right direction for MSJ...addition by subtraction.  How would the guy have handled the spread offense?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on February 03, 2007, 11:00:12 AM
i honestly feel that IF rashon could buy into the team concept and that no on eis greater than the whole and if he got a bit smarter he could have had success with the spread.  look at leak he finally bought into the system at florida and good things happened.  with lovell returning he had a great back to hand the ball off too and there aren't too many deep routes to get you into trouble with the spread it is a lot of quick throws to speedy recievers and the mount does have some speedy recievers.  but as i said you would have to buy into the system and i don't htink rashon could have done that.

but how does everyone feel about the mounts chances with all the new additions to the mount a new OC, new DC, new QB, new system and schemes.  i think there will be a learning curve with all the players and the offense will struggle early in the year as they did in the 10-0 season with a new system.  but the 10-0 had the same defense for a few years and was able to carry them.  this is the first time i will be worried about a mount defense b/c losing a players coach like hilvert can have an affect on how a  team plays.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2007, 02:29:24 PM
That was the primary theme for the success of the 2004 team, Defense. Early on in the season and often throughout. We struggled in the first 3 games of the year and then against Hanover we came together as a unit. It helped that Coach Mac finally listened to his players, cough cough O-line cough cough. Once we went to an offense based on the run game, we became very successfull. I believe that had we ran the ball the 1st 3 weeks of that 2004 season, Mike Lovell would have finished the year with 1500+ rushing on top of Ricky Story's 500+.

It also helped the 2004 squad to have a sh!tload of 3-4 year starters on offense. We adjusted quickly and though we were easily the smallest unit in the HCAC on the line, we played together better than anyone. We were able to change and switch up blocking stegtegies/schemes at the LOS or on the fly while the play was going on. Why...well after 3-4 years of playing, you've seen all that a defense can and will throw at you and once you learn to block structure, you can block any front or blitz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2007, 02:33:24 PM
This year coming up will be a learning curve but that happens at schools who become successfull. Assistants leave, players transfer, along with all the other unexpectant BS of college football. The sign of a truely great team and head coach is how they respond. They can settle for a 7-3 year while they are getting everyone in place or they can go out and play for a 4th consecutive HCAC championship. Football is football and call a play whatever or line up in whatever formation, you still have to beat the man across from you. Win your personal battle and the the result will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 04, 2007, 10:01:52 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 23, 2007, 08:04:44 AM
The Saints offense was able to move the ball on Da Bears pretty effectively...until they kept turning it over. Once everything settled down after the 1st quarter (no team scored) the Saints did pretty well on offense. But it doesn't matter how many yards you rack up if you don't hold on to the football and that's what ultimately killed the Saints offense; not lack of production. I think the Colt's offense is better fundamentally than the Saints and you're giving Payton Manning 2 weeks to watch film and prepare. Da Bear's defense has also given up quite a few big plays and isn't the same dominating force like they were in weeks 1-8. I don't think the colts have to worry about Da Bears ball control offense because Rex will fold and eventually provide some TO's.

I'm seeing a 27-14 Colts win. I think Payton's problems were in large part due to the team in Boston and that coach and now that he's beaten him/them, the pressure is actually off.

I was pretty close. I'm no Nostradamous, but I'm damn close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 04, 2007, 10:16:44 PM
With the near even split between Rhoades and Addai, each almost cracking the century mark, Kevin Mack and Ernest Byner better beware. 

Good job Colts, but have to admit was pulling for the Bears.

Just too many Indiana boys on that roster, from Maynard to Ogunyele to Grossman and the Purdue second (one twice removed) fiddle backup Qbs to not pull for them.  Just had to be so poetic that Kelvin Hayden an Illinois product would seal the deal.

Mistah Dopeman,
Imyerpusher
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 05, 2007, 03:50:55 PM
i am hoping that that peyton manning's commercial keep coming in some hilarious ways.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 06, 2007, 07:28:00 AM
Now instead of 6'5", 230 pound quaterback, laser, rocket arm. It will be 6'5", 230-pound, Super Bowl MVP quarterback, laser, rocket arm. But only if you like that kind of thing.

I think he will have a few more endorsements. But I do question why he was MVP. The 2 RB's for Indy combined for 190+ rushing, over 10 receptions, and a couple of TD's. I think that is more worthy of a MVP. Even if it is Co-MVP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 06, 2007, 10:52:12 AM
i would have made bob sanders the mvp. he is the man responsible for crushing their back-up rb out of the game. he picked off king rex. and smammered whatever came over the middle all day. he is a sick and twisted man and i love watching him hit. he is the man who took chicago out of their gameplan: Sanders.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 06, 2007, 11:18:10 AM
There is White Death all around.

It's peanut-butter, jelly time. Peanut-butter, jelly time (if only I had the banana dancing).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 06, 2007, 11:21:07 AM
i got your banana right here big guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNmiy_qBf6w
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 06, 2007, 12:17:26 PM
Yeah no kidding Sayer,

I just went to pick up some lunch and everyone here on the eastside of town was running around like the Russians were invading in the 2nd coming of Wolverines...

Two wrecks already on the main road....and its not even wet out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 06, 2007, 03:01:54 PM
i really do like the banana video
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 07, 2007, 12:37:29 PM
Man that snow sucked last night for alot of people.  Luckily a buddy of mine that I work with had his Hummer at work.  We bought some beer for the way home and made it back to Mt. Lookout with ease.....passing alot of motorists doing less than 10 mph or stuck in the ditches..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on February 07, 2007, 01:26:09 PM
SaintsFan:

You live in Mt. Lookout?  That's were I grew up, right on Ellison Ave (street off Linwood by MLT's. 

You're really moving up!

Did you see the new TMC alumni website?   It's a fledgling site but I'm just getting started.  I'm not a webmaster but I can create what our alumni association needs I think.   Wait till the videos appear.  We might even see some of your best work on there.  Got any good video to share?  I'm going to put each year's highlight film on the site at least............if I can find them.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 07, 2007, 01:43:46 PM
FCC,

No chit?  I knew Purcell drew from the area...  The lady and I actually looked at a couple of houses on Nash and Kroger...before settling on one in Mariemont.  So I am leaving Mt. Lookout at the end of the month. 

Yeah, I saw that website....its really good to have that...I didn't know that was your handywork.  Let me see if I still have a couple of the tapes.  I do know that the tape of me that would best suit the team is the one from Alma in 1999, if the defensive line needs help with form tackling and pile driving QBs into the turf...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on February 08, 2007, 12:07:10 AM
The site will be much improved when I get a few hours to spend on it.  I wanted to get something in place for everyone to see and maybe spark some ideas.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 08, 2007, 08:08:13 AM
Saintsfan, was Alma the game where you recieved your career-ending concussion?

The snow storm was a b!tch to get through. We got out of school early and by 2:00, I-71 looked like regular rush hour traffic. It took a friend of mine 3 hours to get to Blue Ash from Tri-County.

It must have been nice growing up down the street from MLT's. Ain't nothin like a fake ID and a bar within walking distance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 08, 2007, 10:54:11 AM
Yep thats the game.  Noggin' bounced off the chitty turf like a basketball.  Ask formerd3db....he was the Alma team doctor that day.

I got to go to a house that was renovated into a hospital.


Sayer, thats what its like in Mt. Lookout for us now...only minus the fake IDs.  I mean, you heard me in Vegas....thats a weekly occurence in MLTs.   Especially with all the young people I work with....

BTW, my company is hosting CSL HH up at MLTs tomorrow.  6-9...come up if you want.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 08, 2007, 01:16:29 PM
could have been worse, you could have ended your career this way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoo3Ti3iLd0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 08, 2007, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 08, 2007, 10:54:11 AM

I got to go to a house that was renovated into a hospital.



What else would you expect from a school in Michigan :)

Very tempting, and I may try (we were there last weekend), but the junior high has their league meet tomorrow night and I'm taking the varsity kids over to support them. Our JH team should be team champs if everything goes to plan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 08, 2007, 06:13:18 PM
When I was wrestling in junior high the senior high placed something like eight kids in the state tournament. 

The junior high coach was the former senior high coach and the senior high coaches were his prodigies.

Before the state tournament the state qualifiers, and maybe the other varsity wrestlers as well came to one of our practices, really was inspirational. 

Good tactics Sayer.  Those will be your future grapplers.  Think our junior high 125 could beat the senior high 125 though.

in wrasslin,
Louden Swain
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 08, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
nice vision quest reference. just don't get caught sniffin the panties.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on February 09, 2007, 01:26:21 AM
MacLeod: If it's wrasslin' rather than wrestling, my favorite is Antonino (Argentine) Rocca. If it's wrestling, then Curley Culp.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 09, 2007, 08:39:13 AM
Madonna was soooooo HOT in that movie. It was the first time she performed on film. There is one true reality in that movie. Once the boy got the sniffity sniff, then his mentality and commitment went to chittity chit.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
See I knew that Trim Spa stuff was to good to be true.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 11:23:49 AM
Does anyone have any insight of how the MSJ off season workout is taking shape now that Hilvet is gone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 02:00:46 PM
movie day for this sub.  got to post so that i don't fall asleep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 09, 2007, 02:44:24 PM
I love movie days. Instead I'm teaching kids about Translating, Rotating, and Reflecting images and lines of symmetry. But how's this for a 2 week span:
2/2 - Snow Day
2/6 - Out Early for the White Death
2/7 - Snow Day
2/8 - Lockdown for a drug check
2/13 - Early Release Day
2/16 - Off day to make up for teachers working OT during conferences
2/19 - Off for Presidents day

Word around there is another winter storm comming Monday, so look for a 2-hour delay for 2/12 to add.

Aint nothin like teachin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on February 09, 2007, 04:10:48 PM
And then we want protection from import of goods from lands where the people work around the clock 24/7.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 05:59:20 PM
What, Snow day Sayer, make them hillbillies drive their trackers to school.  Thats how we do it in Harrison!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 09, 2007, 10:29:33 PM
My Allis Chalmers wont start.  Anybody got some shine for the carbumerators. 

signed,
Cletus
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2007, 01:17:34 AM
Hell no. I wake up at 5:15 to get to work on time. I'll take all the 2-hour delays I can get. About 3-4 years ago, 5:15 was my normal bedtime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 12, 2007, 07:40:37 AM
Quote from: M and L on February 09, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
See I knew that Trim Spa stuff was to good to be true.

Macke, you should throw your name into the hat of potential papa's for that kid of hers. SaintsFan already did :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 12, 2007, 08:07:45 AM
No kidding....I'm hoping they pull my number.

Looks like I'm NOT moving to Mariemont with the lady afterall....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 12, 2007, 01:05:29 PM
since that baby is the sole inheritance of possible 50% of an Oil tycoon's billions, i was hoping to impregnate her myself...even if it means she is dead during the process.  still better than some things i did in college
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 12, 2007, 02:28:26 PM
That may officially be one of the nastiest things I could ever picture in my mind. I wonder about the future of that kid. The old man left a curse after he died. Her son OD's now she snorts too much Trim Spa and croaks like a frog.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2007, 03:03:24 PM
70dcalum- I just threw up a little in my mouth after that comment. :D 
On the matter of snow days does midwest schools still get delays for fog?  I think the only way school can get cancelled out her in Los Angeles is for an earthquake. >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 12, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
If the skills and numbers listed by Recumstrict are correct, Terna Nande is ready and waiting to make his mark as one of the all time great linebackers.  Considered undersized, but possesses great ability and incredible heart.

Just one of the guys Im following right now. 

But for comparison, especially since undersized and great heart are often at the root of success in D3, who is the best returning linebacker in the HCAC for next year?  Not asking who has the best defense, or best set of tackles to make nice stats for a good linebacker, but who is the best returning linebacker in the HCAC per Nande profile: ability and heart.

signed,
the Samurai
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 12, 2007, 03:50:44 PM
Or we could just get Victorys thoughts on womens basketball  ;)

signed,
Sectional Champs Baybee
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 12, 2007, 04:22:44 PM
women's basketball if fun if the following are included:

sports bras with the team logo on it, tighter and much smaller shorts, and tons of spanking when guarding on defense. i also think ponytails must be a must with half time shows by girls in catholic school girl outfits. add that with mud wrestling promotions and you got a winner.

teddy hinkle, franklin. freshman last year and has some brass balls. i look for big things from him in the future.

if you guys need my opinions on anything else, feel free to ask. i have thoughts on nearly everything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 12, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
has_been,

My cousin told me they cancelled school out there in 1992 for the riots..

You could always hope for some more unrest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2007, 06:04:40 PM
Considering the neighborhood that I teach in I wouldn't want to be in the middle of that.  I get enough days off anyways. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 12, 2007, 08:05:22 PM
Shoot, $ is not the only thing her new baby needs to worry about, have they confirmed who the baby's daddy is yet?

Best LB in the HCAC Kyle Broser hands down
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 13, 2007, 01:20:46 PM
i am glad i still got it with the 1 liners.

Has Been remeber everytime you pay your mortgage you pay for weather.  take the good with the bad you winey girly man.  knowing where you teach you have a better chance with a riot than earthquake
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 13, 2007, 09:10:34 PM
screw ICE, I want SMOW.  UP to eyes in snow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 14, 2007, 03:19:55 PM
seriously, no snow for christmas and then we get hit with all of this stuff.

one of my friends sent me an email of the parade celebration of the steelers and the colts. basically, there were a lot more people at the steelers celebration and they were making fun of the colts fans. personally, i think it was a good turnout, season fan support in the dome, and great that they won the super bowl for a "basketball state."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 15, 2007, 10:51:42 AM
How come we never got a parade at MSJ for going 10-0? Maybe for our 10-year anniversary.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 15, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
how can you have a two block parade?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 15, 2007, 04:54:21 PM
haha, that was low but i liked it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 15, 2007, 07:08:04 PM
I was trying to be sarcastic jackass, but you're right. A parade at MSJ would be like watching American Idol only worse and with donkeys that poop everwhere.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 15, 2007, 07:48:52 PM
did you guys even get a rally in the gym or something else sponsored by the school? if not, you should ask for that to be re-visited.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 16, 2007, 08:37:56 AM
We got a pat on the back and some got a handshake. But that's what we were told coming in to play. We wouldn't get much except a couple T-Shirts and shorts. I was poor and didn't have much clothing so it was inspiration enough for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 16, 2007, 11:23:23 AM
nothing better than free gear for playing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 19, 2007, 10:51:35 AM
Geez, where the hell is everyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 19, 2007, 10:53:19 AM
Has anyone heared from Angry White Man, I really miss input.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 19, 2007, 11:11:47 AM
you almost have to pick a fight to get people on the board now.

i'll start one, the last 3 years msj has been on balco and that's why they have been so tough to beat.

just kidding, hope you guys are enjoying your winter by the fireplaces.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 19, 2007, 04:25:12 PM
Victory- here is a ? for ya.  What were Franklin's key loses this past season?  I would assume that they are looking to be a favorite for the HCAC this next season. 
For the rest of the HCAC here are some of my thoughts for the front runners.  For MSJ and how they fair w/ a new qb will be a bonus for them b/c they need a true qb at that position.
DC loses a lot on the defensive end plus their Dcoordinator plus the battle for qb should make it interesting this fall.
If there are any other teams that can offer assessment it would be appreciated.  Plus Im just trying to get some conversation going.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 19, 2007, 04:42:52 PM
I see where Defiance College has announced the hiring of Chris Bowers as its new Defensive Coordinator. Bowers most recently served as the Assistant Defensive Backs Coach at Northwestern University and brings nearly four years of experience in the Big Ten with him to the Purple and Gold.

Here is the link from the HCAC website:

http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2007/2_19_dcfootball.htm (http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2007/2_19_dcfootball.htm)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2007, 10:04:17 PM
Quick question:  Just curious, if you or anyone knows, however, why would he want to leave Northwestern?  Anyway, probable good move for Defiance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 20, 2007, 08:47:40 AM
They also need Northwestern's QB Coach. 

Just kidding, had to go there.....I think its the year of the Grizz...with their returning QB.  Maybe Hanover at #2?  Just reaching here.  I think MSJ lost alot, but as it was mentioned having their QB making the move to the CA Penal League is not a bad thing for the team.

I think you'll see relatively down years for Defiance and MSJ until the next group of kids step up late in the year.  (But not in week 11 for MSJ). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 20, 2007, 09:45:58 AM
MSJ is losing a ton and I think it is only realistic that they do fall off a little. Knowing how Rod is and from what I've heard about this guy from Anderson, they should rebound nicely, but it will take a year or two I think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 20, 2007, 02:12:56 PM
DC did lose some of their studs on the defensive side of the ball so Bowers has a tough road to travel to get them ready for the season.  Hopefully the Big Ten experience will help & it will bring in a lot of recruits too. 
On Hanover being in the running for conf. champs, I guess you can never count them out. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 21, 2007, 12:25:30 AM
i know some people are ready to annoint franklin the leader of the hcac next year, but they did lose some good leadership and some good players. not going to give a prediction on them for next year, because you all know i think they should win all 10 games, but they will have a good test each week.

too early to tell, and too early to see who steps up. sorry for being vague, but that's all i have right now. fall camp should be good to see who steps up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 21, 2007, 11:32:35 AM
For those who may be interested in wrestling in an open tournament.

6th ANNUAL LOUIS BLOOM MEMORIAL WRESTLING TOURNAMENT
SPONSORED BY THE UNION TOWNSHIP KIWANIS

Date: Saturday, March 24, 2007 High School & Jr. High & Open

Location: Amelia High School (I-275 to Rt. 125 East to Amelia-Olive Branch Road, turn left – Go to Clough Pike – turn left – go ½ mile
to school)

Sponsored By: Union Township Kiwanis

Cost: Pre-registration: $15.00, if received by March 16, 2007 $18.00 at the door

Admission: $2.00 adults – children under 12 free

Time: Saturday March 24, 2007 – Registration & Weigh-ins: 7:30 – 9:00 a.m.
*** Notice: SCALES CLOSE PROMPTLY AT 9:00 a.m. ****
Wrestling begins at 10:00 a.m.

Eligibility: Open to all Jr. & Sr. High School and Open wrestlers.
*** Wrestlers must be able to show proof age. ***

Weight Classes: Sr. High: (9th, 10th, 11th, 12th grades) 103, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 171, 189, 215, 275 max.
Jr. High: (7th & 8th grades) 80, 86, 92, 98, 104, 110, 116, 122, 128, 134, 142, 150, 160, 172, 230 max.
Open: 125, 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197, 220, 285

Awards: Medals for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th places. T-shirts for champion of each weight class in Jr. High & Sr. High divisions.
*** Awards will be given only in weight classes wrestled. ***

Rules: Double elimination. NO OVERTIME. Ties decided by first point(s) scored. Minimum of 4 wrestlers per weight class.
Rules and weight classes subject to change based on the number of participants.

Match Times: High School 2-1-1 Jr. High 2-1-1 Open 2-1-1 All consolation matches 1-1-1

--------------------------------------------

6th ANNUAL LOUIS BLOOM MEMORIAL WRESTLING TOURNAMENT
Sponsored By: Union Township Kiwanis

In consideration of your accepting this entry, I, intending to be legally bound hereby for myself, my heirs executors and administrators, waive and release any and all claims for all damages I may have against Union Twp. Kiwanis, West Clermont Local School District, their agents and representatives and assignees for any and all injuries suffered by me at said Wrestling Tournament. I further state that I shall not hold and of the above mentioned parties liable for any injuries which may occur while transferred to and from the tournament.

Name __________________________________________ Address __________________________________________

City ____________________ State _____________ Zip Code ___________ Phone ( )______- _______________

School __________________________________________________ __ Grade Level ___________________

Circle Age Division: Jr. High Sr. High Open

Approximate Weight: ______________________________ Age _________________

Parent Signature (required for minors)___________________________________________ _____________________

Mail pre-registration form along with check.
Make Checks Payable to: UNION TOWNSHIP KIWANIS WRESTLING TOURNAMENT
3847 ST. RT. 132 BATAVIA, OHIO 45103
For additional information call: Linda Bloom 513-732-1998 or Lyle Bloom 513-797-8945
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 23, 2007, 01:30:58 PM
Sayer i would join your Tourney but would get my ass kicked by a 6th grader.  i have learned i cant grapple or fight drunk (i laugh too much).  got a rock chin but get balled up into a pretzle as soon as i get off my feet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 25, 2007, 02:01:35 PM
I'm proud to announce that in my first season as a head wrestling coach, I have my first state qualifier. My 171 placed 4th at the district tournament and has to wrestle a kid who BEAT the predicted state champ 8-0 in his first match. Rough...but his conso bracket looks favorable and we can sneak away with a 8th place finish (if we're lucky).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 25, 2007, 11:24:39 PM
Congradulations Sayer, and the best of luck to you and your wrestler
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 26, 2007, 10:33:40 PM
i officially cant stand lawyers.  have been on a conferrence call since 4:00 PM it is now 10:30 negotiating T&C's for a new deal.  schedled for 9 hours again tomorrow.  granted it is an 11M deal but this is the 8th time through this contract.  it is funny as hell listening to my chief counsel man-up with their lawyer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 27, 2007, 08:04:14 AM
How much of that 11M is yours?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StinkTink on February 27, 2007, 07:09:23 PM
1M
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 27, 2007, 09:35:12 PM
Sayer: we got into the wrong profession.

I know what P Coop was talking about all the time (tripod!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2007, 08:05:39 AM
I'm sure 70_DC_Alum is allowed to have a Myspace Account too. I had the Superintendant personally come talk to me about the picture and content on my Myspace page (I was giving the Shocker in my pic). Since when were teachers not allowed to have a personal life outside of the classroom? Here's an idea...the pics and content on Myspace are not appropriate for students because maybe they were never meant to be seen by students.

Moral of the story Macke...be careful. Education people are NUTZ!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2007, 08:07:34 AM
I thought it was great because I also had pics and messages that my friends have sent me that contain very adult, soft-core porn, content. Especially the picture of the birthday cake that looked like a set of tits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 28, 2007, 03:15:24 PM
you can set your profile to private so only your friends can see your page and pics. if it's private, they'll only see your main pic and name. just a hint.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 28, 2007, 06:48:40 PM
I agree 100% As long as you don't have anything concerning matters about a student, or something thats illegal whats the big deal.  Espicially something like over a my space picture of the shocker.  Why is the Super on their, and does he know what i means. 

Sayer: I think it's just those Crazy East siders for you.

But besides that question Sayer.  Why is it that you always find yourself in some kind of predicament all the time   ;).  You Pervert   :-*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 28, 2007, 06:50:02 PM
Man, I want my start status back I fell like some karma peanut butter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2007, 09:49:03 PM
When I set up the account I didn' think the kids I taught would ever come try to be my friends or look at my profile. I didn't think twice when I set it up as a public profile. Basically, I put pics and my friends and wrote to each other like children wouldn't see it because it never crossed my mind that they would. If I would have ever thought the kids I taught would see my stuff, I would have changed some things. It was funny to hear the middle school princiapl explain the shocker to me. But not funny when he said I was unable to teach at the middle school for the rest of the year. I have to go back teaching ISS.

I just don't know what the big deal is. I realize my pic wasn't appropriate, but it was never meant to be seen by students. If I would have been searching for the kids I taught, then yeah, I'd seee a problem, but I didn't search out anyone or talk to anyone I taught via Myspace. I just hope all this BS blows over.

And Macke, you have a point about me fiding trouble. I think in the future, I'm just going to live in my classroom and be anti-social. I can't offend anyone doing that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 01, 2007, 10:08:17 AM
wait, so you were teaching and you were demoted because of the shocker picture??? are you allowed to go back to the classroom next year? did you tell him you would take the pictures off because you didn't know what it meant and didn't want to offend anybody? put that thing to private man.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 01, 2007, 02:14:48 PM
Sayer I'm telling you, you need to get away from the wacky east side and go Kentucky or at least Lakota.  The only you offend anyone there is by actually having sex with a student
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 02, 2007, 07:42:34 AM
ahh, I love my job.  Subing for the old class that I taught during my student teaching.  No one is going to pull a fast one over on this guy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:21:54 AM
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 02, 2007, 10:32:43 AM
What an absolute horrible thing to happen.  How does a crash like that happen?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 02, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
It appears the driver didn't know where he was...

Its a tragedy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 01:51:14 PM
Oh God, this so profoundly upsetting. 

My prayers are with the Bluffton college community today for the safety and recovery of those still alive, and the families and friends of those who were killed who are going through a lot of shock and anguish right now....

Life is so fragile...

There is a ton of information including pictures and first hand accounts on the Atlanta newspaper site for those wanting to keep in touch with how the other players are doing:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/03/02/0302buscrash.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCC_alum62 on March 02, 2007, 02:35:13 PM
The thoughts and prayers of us all go out to the college community, families, friends, and loved ones of the young men killed in this terrible event.  It reminds us all how fragile and precious life is.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CardinalAlum on March 02, 2007, 02:56:10 PM
To all of you HCAC followers and especially the people of Bluffton, please know that many people are thinking of you and praying for all of you at this tragic time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 02, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
This is such a horrible thing to read first thing in the morning.  It does remind me that anything can happen at any given time.  It just sucks that things like this have to remind me to not take life for granted.  I wish all the best to the Bluffton family & the to the families who have lost someone in this tragic event.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on March 02, 2007, 03:38:01 PM
Thoughts and prayers go out to everyone at Bluffton on the tragic news.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 79jaybird on March 02, 2007, 04:41:38 PM
Tragic day for Bluffton, their families, and players.  My heart goes out to those that are lost and those that are recovering. 
Accidents do happen and as April put it, life is so fragile.  I just hate hearing about tragedies like this. My blessings to all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on March 02, 2007, 05:14:08 PM
My prayers and condolences for the victims of this tragic accident, their families and friends, and the entire Bluffton community.

May the Peace of God which passes understanding, be amongst you and remain with you always.  Amen
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Post by: INQBScout on March 02, 2007, 06:05:41 PM
QuoteThoughts and prayers go out to everyone at Bluffton on the tragic news.

dittos...

very tough news...
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Post by: cave2bens on March 03, 2007, 04:47:56 PM
Posted by: M and L  Posted on: Yesterday at 10:32:43 am  
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What an absolute horrible thing to happen.  How does a crash like that happen?

On southbound I-75, coming into the Brookwood/I-85 exits, it can happen quite easily as the HOV lane and exit lanes both split from the other six lanes, around a maze of overpasses and abutments.  While it is marked, it is confusing for anyone who doesn't routinely travel this route.  After seven years in ATL, I still do "doubletakes" and it's a short exit for a car, much less a chartered bus.

Just returned from the Marriott Marquis, downtown, visiting with a high school teammate who's son is one of the deceased.  It's a horrific loss and a tragic situation for all.  Candles are lit and prayers offered for the Bluffton community.
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Post by: Adam Sayer on March 04, 2007, 11:07:23 AM
They did an announcement at the State Wrestling Tournament about it. At first I thought it was Bluffton High School (they had 3-4 wrestlers at the meet). Many people who were in attendance didn't even know Bluffton was a school in Ohio. Shocking because there is a Bluffton HS. The news channel in Columbus showed a computer simulation of what happend and as Cave2Bens stated, it is something that could happen easily if you didn't know where you were. The actual footage showed the overpass that the bus fell from was about 40 feet. I'm sure everyone who drove home last night from CBus had that on their mind. Especially with the on/off snow.

And to answer your questions, I offered to just delete my account. I played dumb and denied I had knowledge of anything. I just don't get why they can't just say, your profile has been seen by students, it's inappropriate, you need to get rid of it. I delete it and we move on. I don't understand why they need to make a big deal out of it. I have a meeting Monday with the HS Principal in which I think I will most likely be terminated from Bethel and then I have a meeting with the Super that I scheduled just so I could clear myself of any wrong doing because I'll need a reference from Bethel to get a job...All because of a picture of me giving a hand gesture that 85% of adults have no clue what it is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 04, 2007, 11:52:25 AM
"He died doing something he loved with people he enjoyed."
                                                                     - John Betts (Bryan HS 1970 and                                                                                    Bluffton College, 1974)
                                                                   



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 04, 2007, 10:23:03 PM
i don't think any parent should have to go through what the parents at bluffon are experiencing. simply a tragic loss and it goes without saying, all of our thoughts and prayers are with them. keep jesus in your heart though a time like this.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 05, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
Macke, check your personal messages.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 08, 2007, 10:43:08 AM
Sorry Sayer it has been a while since I have been on here
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 08, 2007, 10:46:17 AM
Is there any uplifting news that we can talk about. 

Jamel Lewis signed with the Browns today.

Looks like the division is getting tougher.  What a good move for the Browns to take Lewis after signing Eric Stienbaug
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 08, 2007, 01:09:01 PM
My friends and I were talking about this last night saying Cleveland needed a run game. Here's what I think may happen. You may see Cleveland take Calvin Johnson in the #3 spot and take Troy Smith in the 2nd round. With Steinbach, their O-line is about a C+ and add Jamal Lewis, Calvin Johnson, and Kellen Winslow. You have an offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 08, 2007, 01:54:43 PM
I agree Sayer,
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Post by: frank uible on March 08, 2007, 03:23:39 PM
Not without a QB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 09, 2007, 09:31:18 AM
that is something I assume that they will address during the draft!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2007, 11:40:53 AM
Troy Smith in the 2nd round
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2007, 01:00:20 PM
Can't count on Smith. Heisman trophy winning QBs are much more bust than boom in the NFL. For starters see White, Crouch, Weinke, Wuerffel, Torretta, Detmer, Ware, Sullivan, Beban, Spurrier, Huarte, Baker. Try to name the successful ones.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 09, 2007, 03:25:01 PM
Paul Hornung (as a RB), Jim Plunkett, Carson Palmer, Doug Flutie, Vinny Testaverde and Charlie Ward (for picking the NBA).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2007, 03:47:21 PM
Hornung and Ward don't count (actually Hornung was unsuccessful in his brief stint as an NFL QB). All the rest are marginal except possibly for Plunkett and Palmer. The successful list gets very short relative to the unsuccessful. And we haven't yet mentioned O'Brien (only 2 seasons in the NFL) and Bertelli (no seasons in the NFL but 3 lacklustre seasons in the AAFC).
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2007, 05:35:34 PM
Frank,

Don't forget Peyton Manning - according to all Tennessee fans, he REALLY won the Heisman, and Charles Woodson was a usurper! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2007, 05:50:27 PM
And Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas and Tom Brady should have won the Heisman, but they didn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 10, 2007, 11:20:55 PM
tom brady winning the heisman? he was an average michigan qb! seriously average, of course he didn't have a mean running game or the usual oline michigan gets. i love him, but no heisman.

the browns should get brady quinn. who cares about troy smith, he is short and was good at ohio st. doesn't mean he'll progress like the nfl qbs. i like brady quinn because he has balls and never missed a start. you know, i think the browns could use some of that blue collar thing they preach about and haven't had in some years. go quinn.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 11, 2007, 04:29:52 AM
I was attempting (apparently unsuccessfully) to more or less subtlely make the point that the Heisman is a very poor predictor of QB success in the NFL - not that Graham or Unitas or Brady had a terrific football year in college but to the contrary that these 3 men, each of whom became a much better NFL QB than any Heisman winner has become (admittedly the jury is still out on Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart), were not very close to winning the Heisman (in actuality Unitas and Brady were extremely far, and Graham ran a distant third to Notre Dame QB Angelo Bertelli in 1943).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 12, 2007, 10:16:30 AM
i heard ya loud and clear large man frank. let's face it, the nfl offenses may be less complex but more wordy or more complex and more wordy than the college ones, and the game moves faster. add that up with a 6'6 285 DE running a 4.6 coming after your butt, you better know where the dump off receiver is. in most cases, tom brady knows and akili smith didn't (and cough, cough, ryan leaf).

however, in my opinion, i think some qb's don't have a shot at making it in the nfl because the offenses some teams run are brutal. hard to average 1.9 a rush on first and second down, and throw third and 9 each series. on top of that, there are some awfully vanilla offenses in the nfl ever since free agency. i think about every defensive player in the league knows your top 8 passes. just another reason why i like the college game more and more. i used to love the sugar huddle, the west coast 9r's, three amigos, etc... now, it's all the same.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 12, 2007, 10:56:59 AM
To sum it up - Cleveland's chance of finding and ultimately selecting a specific QB, who is available in the 2nd round of the draft and who is of sufficient NFL quality to actually lead them "out of the woods", is not good. The fact that the QB is a Heisman trophy winner improves that chance to no or extremely little extent.
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Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 12, 2007, 02:00:32 PM
i dont know if i would say the jury is still out on Palmer.  2 straight pro bowls, Peyton Manning he is not yet but i dont think he is still bust material either.

smith is going to be a bit of a project in the NFL.  i dont think he has Vince Young's mobility so i dont think he will be nearly as allusive since he will no longer be juking fat d-takles from indiana anymore.  Size can be overcome but imagine all 5'10" of smith playing at Dallas with someone like Leonard Davis at 6'8"370 at gaurd.  hell even Steinbach is 6'7".

if the browns were smart they would trade down a few spots to let someone pickup peterson if they dont want him take a few extra picks and still get Johnson or Brady quinn later in the first round.  likely they will pick up peterson and let him spend a year under Lewis and then be the long term future.  too much upside there to pass on with the shear physicality of the AFC North.
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Post by: victorybell_57 on March 12, 2007, 03:39:59 PM
good comments, but i think the jury is closed on carson palmer. from all the talk around the league, he is the team leader and one the players respect a lot. in terms of football, many receivers (and those in the pro bowl) say he throws a great ball and knows the passing game very well. while he sucked for a few years at usc, i think he is proving he is going to be a great qb. now, if they can keep their troublemakers out of jail and get a few more pieces of the puzzle, they could be in the super bowl this year. they should have been two years ago before palmer hurt his knee.

i'm not holding much stock in troy smith. he could however, be steamin willie beamin in a few years. maybe he'll get the ladies creamin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2007, 04:14:15 PM
In fairness to Troy Smith, he also totally destroyed my beloved Wolverines the last two years, and Alan Branch, LaMarr Woodley, et. al., will hardly be mistaken for "fat d-tackles from Indiana"!

God, it is painful to stick up for a Buckeye! :( :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 12, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
Palmer's NFL career is probably about 1/3 complete, and he has not yet lead the Bengals any place of major importance as had Graham and Unitas and Brady after 4 years.
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Post by: Adam Sayer on March 12, 2007, 09:50:01 PM
That is why football is the ultimate team game. Dan Fouts never made it anywhere big...but he was a heck of a QB. Dan Marino got to the Super Bowl once...in his 2nd year.

I think Troy Smith is definately a work in progress. But here's what he has going for him.
- Athletic - He's no Vince Young, but he's plenty capable to move around in the pocket and creat throwing lanes. Drew Brees is of similar height and less mobility, and he's done alright in The League.
- Willing to listen/learn - Juding by his attempts to become a more 'throwing' QB rather than a running QB shows me he's trying to get the best out of himself. He many opportunities to make highlight reel runs, but gave it up to make the pass (Penn State???) Something I think Tressel had been asking for.
- 2nd Round Pick - He may have won the Heisman, but there's not a lot of pressure. He won't be asked to step right in and run an NFL offense. He's not being listed with the names of Jamarcus Russell or Brady Quinn. The pressure to produce is on them. He'll have time to sit and learn (ala Carson Palmer). If he was a Top 5 pick, there would be more pressure to play him and ruin him (ala David Klingler).
- Athletic - I already covered this, but if QB doesn't work out, he's athletic enough to play a role similar to that of Antwaan Randle-El. Remember, OSU recruited him as an athlete. They didn't know where he would play.

My personal thoughts on Brady Quinn is he may have maximized his talents. I don't see him getting much better than he already is because he's had 2 years playing in a pro-style offense of a Superbowl Winning OC and wasn't great. Charlie Weiss has spent 2 years preparing him for the NFl and he struggled against USC, Michigan, and LSU. Great college teams, but not what he's going to see on Sunday. Personally, I think he will be the next Ryan Leaf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2007, 12:01:49 AM
Adam,

Yeah, I forgot to mention that the same Wolverines who were destroyed by Smith made Quinn look less than average.

I have no clue as to which will prove the better NFL QB (if either), but if it were based solely on common opponent Michigan, it would be no contest!
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Post by: SaintsFAN on March 13, 2007, 08:46:25 AM
I think you guys are being a bit too hard on Quinn....yes he didn't play well against the better teams on the schedule....thats also because he and the WR's had to pick up the slack for the defense that wasn't able to stop even the Navy's of the world.  Thats a fact....I think what NFL teams love the most about Quinn is the intellectual aspects of his game...he knows the game inside and out.  Kind of like Peyton Manning did at Tennessee.  Manning was another guy that couldn't win the big game in college.....but he's learned how to win the big games at the Pro level.

The one thing I'd really be concerned about Smith is his hunger.  I watched the QBs at the combine and Smith was admittedly out of shape?  What?  Are you kidding....how many of us would have shown up out of shape for the biggest job interview of our lives in Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 13, 2007, 10:00:04 AM
If one is a new Heisman trophy winner, then one gets a lot of opportunities for rubber chicken, lumpy mashed potatoes and frozen peas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 13, 2007, 10:13:33 AM
it may be unfair to compare guys to unitas and graham. different league then where a few superstars could control the game. they didn't have off-season programs and guys developing like they do now. some guys don't get their careers going until after 4-5 seasons if they can stay in it. now, brady was the man. and his team was great, while he was good he didn't have to win it by himself. his teams were average for michigan's standards in college, and he proved he could be good in the pro's with a good team. joe montana looked average in college against better teams also. i think he beat houston in a bowl game, houston isn't a usc or michigan. quinn's teams at ND are average, and played navy and other bottom rungers. he is a good qb and could be just like brady in the pro's, if he has a supporting cast.

troy smith, hey, let's wait and see. i would like to see him do well, but he needs a team. team game is right on this topic. you can't choose what team to go to like in college. he may get a great chance with a team like the bears, or be picked up to be the savior of a scrub team. brady had an opportunity to go to a good team as well. all i know is, akili smith sucks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 13, 2007, 10:37:34 AM
Have not been making that comparison. See post #392 for my point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 13, 2007, 10:55:50 AM
In terms of the NFL mold so to speak, I just don't see Smith fitting in.  Hey had great talent to play collegiate ball.  but does he really have what it takes to play at the next level?  I'm not all that the convienced with him nor Brady Quinn.  I think that Quinn has more potienial and with the right mentor and coaching he can produce much like that of Joey Harrington or something to that effect.

Refering back to the BCS game (I know it is just one game, but he played that bad), He didn't look like a pocket passer at all or couldn't get a read right to save his life.  Nor a pass block to offer protection either.

With the given surronding on the field I thought Quinn produced more than Smith, throwing all stats out the window.

We still haven't talked about the QB who is going to the first choosen in the draft---- and that is the Kid from LSU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 13, 2007, 11:00:58 AM
Sayer, Lets be practical here, effort gets it done 99% of time.  But ability combined with effort is going to get you to the NFL as everyone knows.  But how smart is he in terms of X's and O's. 

How well rounded is he?

Besided, i'm seeing a lot of OSU bias here   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 13, 2007, 02:13:55 PM
i know i have OSU bias.  as Mr Yipsi pointed out Troy Smith did beat up on Michigan.  it has no merit to the rest of my post i just like saying that.

the best thing that can happen to troy is not gettign drafted as a top 5 pick.  if he can go somewhere to learn behind a great QB then he has a chance, but just playing the numbers for as many Drew Bree's that had to play backup to learn the game there are 25 others that never got higher than being the glorified stat keeper for the starting QB.  those odds are not the greatest.

cannon for an Arm and willingness to change his style are assets.  i think his "life" history and currnet attitude will also help, but agian the rise from backup is not a glorified one and there are another bunch of all start QB's entering the league every year and very few good ones retire.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 13, 2007, 02:15:14 PM
Yipsi "Alan Branch, LaMarr Woodley, et. al., " 

they suck...unless the Bengals draft them then i will admit they are more than a fat d tackle from indiana
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 13, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
Just a little biased, but in terms of the NFL (my friends didn't believe me) he can also be used as an Antwaan Randle-EL...if QB doesn't work out.

I think it can. Does he fully understand the game? Maybe not as much as some, but he did have one of the top 5 NCAA coaches to help him. A guy who was also a former QB. I think Troy Smith knows his stuff and as I said, will benefit greatly by being the #2 guy in the NFL for a season or two. If he's asked to start right out of the gate, he'll struggle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 14, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
maybe everybody should wait until that stud qb out of hawaii comes out next year. i don't think he missed on a pass, his receivers just dropped them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2007, 11:39:48 AM
Like SaintsFan at TMC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 14, 2007, 01:44:13 PM
now we're talkin'
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2007, 03:13:52 PM
I'll be sure to try to give you insights this weekend to the NCAA Division 1 National Championships taking place at The Palace in Auburn Hills, Mich. I would be talking about Wrasslin. Roughly 20% (1/5) of the National Tournament field is connected to Ohio either by wrestling at a HS in Ohio or wrestling at a college in Ohio. Not too bad for 1 state (That would be like 5 of the top 25 football teams being Ohio colleges). Ohio State has 6 wrestlers competing at Nationals and should finish in the top 10. Next year they should be top 5.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2007, 03:17:45 PM
http://www.thecoolclinic.com/

For anyone who may be interested.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 15, 2007, 08:45:06 AM
having Troy Smith sit behind somebody much like Palmer did would greatly benefit him in his development stage.

Life is good

Question: For a high school team how many hrs in a week (including weights and agility) should the kids put in?

Then during the season how long should practice take/run during say a Tuesday, Wed. practice when it is really time to get after it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 15, 2007, 08:46:28 AM
Sayer:

I got word that Bethel Tate is looking for Some Defensive Assistances.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 16, 2007, 01:07:13 PM
Sayer, Tepee

Heres one for you, instead of looking like Aaron Harang.  All i have been getting today is Lep. jokes  "He mr. macke where is your pot of gold?" ......... little bastards
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 19, 2007, 11:46:47 AM
Were you wearing green? Cause if you were, that would be a funny site.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 20, 2007, 07:31:44 AM
HasBeen - thinking of making it out to Malibu for the Wedding with the wife and kid, any issues with bringing the X-Man to the wedding or is it going to be adults only?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 20, 2007, 07:55:40 AM
Oh my God......can anyone else picture this sonuvavitch in Los Angeles County?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2007, 03:56:12 PM
Get on 'The Real Orange County' banging a hot mom and then you'll get props. You know, one of those moms who goes to the jewlery store and contemplates whether she has enough money to buy the $40,000 necklace or not.

KY here I come. I have an interview with Silver Grove Independent (I was told that was Highland's district).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2007, 03:59:16 PM
Ohio State had 4 All-Americans this past weekend. To be an All American in wrestling you need to place in the top 8. They finished 10th as a team and return all 4 of the AA's as well as a very solid incoming Frosh class (2 of the 4 AA's were freshmen this year).

Got Ears?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 20, 2007, 10:07:19 PM
I had on a green button down shirt and i was wearing a big gree lep. hat

Sayer are you going to the education fair tommorrow at the Mount?

Any more thoughts about coming to harrison?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 21, 2007, 10:04:05 AM
my hangover is finally gone from the 4 day bender. let me toss something at ya.

patty's day or new year's eve: it was and is very unwise to drive. you go out with peope in their 20's, nobody wants to be the DD, so you get a cab. you find yourself making your cab reservations at midnight for 2am (who knows how we even remembered to do that) and then the cab never comes. while you call and are on hold for at least 15 min each time, the operators act like you are stupid and say "well, we are quite busy."

ok, here's my deal with this: A) we called 2 hours ahead of time. B) the bar has a code to give the cab so that they can get immediate service as to avoid dui's or accidents year round. C) they tell you on the phone 2-25 min before pickup. D) you tip very well because you avoided the inconvenience of a dui and being arrested. E) the cab never came until 5am, and then called your cell phone for 45 minutes while you were passed out sleeping after making the death march some 13 miles on the way home. what person waits outside a bar for that many hours waiting for a cab? and what cab driver thinks it's a good idea to call at 5am when you made reservations at midnight? just frustrated, and i now have severe chaffing from the walk.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCC_alum62 on March 21, 2007, 11:16:02 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on March 21, 2007, 10:04:05 AM
my hangover is finally gone from the 4 day bender. let me toss something at ya.

patty's day or new year's eve: it was and is very unwise to drive. you go out with peope in their 20's, nobody wants to be the DD, so you get a cab. you find yourself making your cab reservations at midnight for 2am (who knows how we even remembered to do that) and then the cab never comes. while you call and are on hold for at least 15 min each time, the operators act like you are stupid and say "well, we are quite busy."

ok, here's my deal with this: A) we called 2 hours ahead of time. B) the bar has a code to give the cab so that they can get immediate service as to avoid dui's or accidents year round. C) they tell you on the phone 2-25 min before pickup. D) you tip very well because you avoided the inconvenience of a dui and being arrested. E) the cab never came until 5am, and then called your cell phone for 45 minutes while you were passed out sleeping after making the death march some 13 miles on the way home. what person waits outside a bar for that many hours waiting for a cab? and what cab driver thinks it's a good idea to call at 5am when you made reservations at midnight? just frustrated, and i now have severe chaffing from the walk.

It makes a man weep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 21, 2007, 09:48:13 PM
to quote a wise young round red faced coach "you couldn't even get a sh*#tburger when it was all said and done."

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 22, 2007, 09:30:26 PM
It only took us 15 minutes to get a cab in De-Troit during Nationals.

Macke, I'm lookin around now. I found a couple districts in KY that have postings (Kenton County and Silver Grove Ind in Campbell County). Silver Grove has an odd schedule that is similar to year round. Not my cup of tea, but starting out at $35,000 and being relatively single, it isn't bad. Hamilton has some postings as well as Little Miami. As far as subbing, I'm on Deer park, Wyoming, Finneytown, and Norwood's lists so I should be good as far as work is concerned.

What's Three Rivers like? Did they ever pass the levee? Your brother could use a "real" wrestling coach over there as well as some football coaches. Dr. Schoensted is good friends with the Superintendent over there and I think she would highly recommend me as a teacher.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2007, 12:38:14 PM
Sayer:

In Kentucky I heard that Pendelton Co. has some teaching and football positions opening up there.

Three Rivers, first i have been so busy here at Harrison That I haven't had to any suping at Three Rivers.  So I don't know what is opening.  I do know they don't have anything for me.  I could hook you up with some contacts down there with the guys that I worked with.

They don't really have any football positions opening up.  But I did talk to the Ad this pst weekend about the wrestling program.  They are looking to start from scratch and bring another HC.  And they are only going to hire a educator for the position b/c the Jr. high coach is probably going to get denied b/c he is not an educator.  If your interested just let me know and I get you lined up with the right people.

Dr. Schoensted, what a great person, ya she put in a good word for me to
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2007, 12:39:33 PM
boy oh, boy.  Man has this board been dead.  Where has everyone been?

Go Bucks in the road to the final four
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2007, 03:40:39 PM
I'll keep an eye on it. If you want to throw my name around as a possible wrestling HC, I would appreciate it.

I wish I would have played an actual pool this year. I had 6 of the elite 8 and 3 of the final 4 in my little bracket that I'm keeping track of. I also had 26 of the 32 in the 1st round. I guess that's the way it goes. UCLA vs OSU in the finals.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2007, 03:43:51 PM
Tepee, Sears showed up at Amelia for an Open wrestling match. He wouldn't stop running his mouth. Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to wrestle him, but he and Tim Kelley about threw down in the parking lot. Great stuff.

I am glad to say I am officially retired from all competing now. I dislocated my shoulder in the first match (I still got 3rd), and realized I'm getting too old to be doing this stuff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 26, 2007, 05:11:49 PM
hopefully the shoulder won't mess up your intense benching schedule. good luck with that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2007, 08:49:41 PM
you goof, why did you go about dislocating your shoulder for.

no problem, I'll do what i can
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2007, 04:57:36 PM
He tried to throw me and his weight and mine landed on my elbow/forearm (my arm was bent at a 90 degree angle). It popped out and went back in. Hurt pretty bad and is still very sore and I haven't been able to sleep very well at night.

The insane benching schedule hasn't been insane for a while. Not since the 'Glory-Morning' workouts in the spring of 2004. I wonder how TMC likes pushing Towels across the gym floor? I know I didn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2007, 05:14:06 PM
Macke, give me a call sometime: 793-3541.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 27, 2007, 09:17:16 PM
You will never guess who is in Town, home from the Navy!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 28, 2007, 08:06:39 AM
Hoss's brother told me. I think I'm helping Hoss paint his house Saturday morning.

Let me know if/when you guys are going out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 28, 2007, 07:05:32 PM
You got suckered into that to.

Probably not till this weekend because that is the only free time i have.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 29, 2007, 08:09:32 AM
I haven't seen Hoss in a while. I need to do all the good deeds I can. Plus, I'm sure Hoss will be hooking me up with some brew and when you're like you and I, Macke, free booze is as good as free money.

Also, if anyone is the praying type, could you say a prayer for my grandpa. He has cancer (from asbestos) and things don't look too good for him. He's been one of the few male influences in my life and has always looked at me as a son rather than a grandkid. I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Countdown till Draftday: 30 days.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 29, 2007, 09:41:04 AM
He's in my prayers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 29, 2007, 12:15:23 PM
not only will send a pray up for him, but I will also drink a cold one for him as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 29, 2007, 01:58:04 PM
He would appreciate it...but only Budweiser. Light beer isn't beer according to him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 30, 2007, 09:26:22 AM
no "GHT" from me...hope things get better
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 30, 2007, 09:41:01 AM
He went to the Doc yesterday and though things arn't great, they are better than originally thought after the MRI.  And again, I do appreciate it.

Countdown till Draft Day: 29 Days
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 30, 2007, 12:20:35 PM
Article about Bluffton's basbeball team and their game with MSJ today.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070330/SPT/703300365/1062
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 02, 2007, 09:33:17 AM
Finneytown High School just hired a new head football coach, Eric Taylor. Eric happens to also be a Deer Park alum (class of 96). If anyone may want a possible coaching and/or teaching position, keep an eye on the situation. I'll put in a good word.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 09:01:28 PM
I saw former MSJ QB Rashon Lewis run for McMurry at the UT-Arlington meet last Saturday and figured out what happened.

He returned to Texas and will play QB next year for McMurry.

Lewis is also running on the 4x100 Relay team that ran a D3 best 40.44 sec. ten days ago.  (That 40.44 is the 10th fastest time ever in D3 and only 0.01 secs off the McMurry school record.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2007, 09:04:04 AM
I don't think they'll play him as a QB. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 04, 2007, 01:29:09 PM
Better them than MSJ. My cousin goes to school there and plays soccer (pretty good too). I'll be sure to give her a warning sign to tell her football buddies about Mr. Lewis and his wonderful 'team' attitude.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 04, 2007, 01:44:02 PM
"Stephen Johnson won't return to the team at quarterback in his final season of eligibility. However, Rashon Lewis, a junior transfer from the College of Mt. Saint Joseph's in Cincinnati, Ohio enrolled at McMurry in the spring.

Lewis threw for 899 yards, five touchdowns and eight interceptions while rushing for 399 yards and four scores last season as a sophomore for the run-first NCAA Division III institution. As a freshman in 2005, he passed for 1,298 yards, 14 touchdowns and nine interceptions while rushing for one score."

Straight from McMurry's website. I like how they specifically mention (after Rashon's wonderful stats) MSJ is a run-first team. You damn right. PTR. That's how you win. I guess they have trouble with that concept coming off a 3-7 campaign.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2007, 02:01:07 PM
You better watch it....she might get an idle threat or two    ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 05, 2007, 02:56:21 PM
Threaten to hit her? He hasn't been able to hit anyone not named Mike Jones in two years.

It's like The Longest Yard remake when the Mexican guy wants to play QB.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 05, 2007, 03:04:05 PM
The Reds new Uni's are lookin good. The white with red trim...Nice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 10, 2007, 10:11:04 PM
Chris Henry got lucky with only ans 8 week suspension.

Do you think this will affect their draft?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 11, 2007, 01:52:40 AM
It depends on whether they believe that Henry's problems are probably behind him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 11, 2007, 01:56:24 PM
I think now, it is finally starting to sink in for Chris Henry
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 12, 2007, 07:23:57 AM
I wish I could make it rain
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 12, 2007, 03:50:28 PM
Sayer:
It is raining here in Michigan today.  All snow from yesterday is now gone! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 13, 2007, 05:57:51 PM
Looking at ESPN The Magazine's draft review, they have 2 kids from D3 expected to be drafted. Not signed as UFA, but actually drafted. D3 hasn't had a player drafted in quite some time, but  Michael Allan (Whitworth) and Jason Trusnik (Ohio Northern) are listed as 6th and 7th round draft picks. The magazine even lists Allan as a possible option for Cincinnati on Day 2. Allan plays Tight End and Trusnik plays Defensive End.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 16, 2007, 11:50:46 AM
13 more days. I wonder what it's like being a big time college athlete preparing for the NFL Draft. Being probed with question after question, speculations on which team/round you'll be drafted by/in, and how much you'll make.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 17, 2007, 09:25:11 AM
I think a plethora of prayers are in-line for Va Tech. I'm still young enough to call current college students friends and have actually been to a former player's funeral. I just recently been dealing with the loss of my grandfather. Even recalling all the past sadness, I couldn't imagine what it would be like for a parent losing a son/daughter to this. In both previous cases, it was understood they were sick and life wasn't going to last long. In this, imagine speaking to your mom/dad, as a perfectly healthy, partying college student, and an hour later being dead. Nuts

It's really weird that tragedies seem to happen in three's. So far this year, we have Bluffton's baseball team and now this. I hope nothing more happens at American colleges and Universities, but...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 17, 2007, 04:01:17 PM
dr. phil was on larry king offering advice after the shootings.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 19, 2007, 03:22:49 PM
I think that they can do better than that.  come on, Is Dr. Phil the guy you really want to be taking counsling from in this kind of situation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 19, 2007, 10:15:28 PM
ummmm, let's see. i would rather have montel talking to the teens before dr. phil. montel has more street cred than phildog.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 20, 2007, 04:44:20 PM
Just the fact that you two watch either one is disturbing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 20, 2007, 04:50:00 PM
better than maury, way better.

top draft pics admitting smoking pot nowadays. i agree with the sports panel guys, better than saying no and failing a drug test later. i am sure a lot of these guys have made some childish mistakes in their college days. just because they are huge and fast doesn't mean they are immune to regular college activities (if my kid smokes pot i'll remove a lung and part of his brain for him), but I am sure they saw their future and decided it wasn't wise.

the nfl stands for what? if they keep that stuff up in the league, they won't be in the league. drugs have killed great careers and i am sure they know that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 21, 2007, 03:11:33 PM
Josh Hamilton? I think he'll be a great incentive to NOT get out of hand with drugs. NL Rookie of the Year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 21, 2007, 05:35:04 PM
only to be slowed by 17 years of hamstring problems like ken griffey jr. but hey, he went to moeller.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 22, 2007, 04:39:49 PM
oh, and in kentucky we are releasing felons from faxes sent from a grocery store, with spelling errors. i love kentucky, and all that it stands for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2007, 10:16:58 PM
4 more days....lets go fishing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on April 24, 2007, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on April 22, 2007, 04:39:49 PM
oh, and in kentucky we are releasing felons from faxes sent from a grocery store, with spelling errors. i love kentucky, and all that it stands for.

Okay, enough with the Kentucky jokes.

I just wish every time I cross the Ohio River going into Indiana or Ohio thay would quit stopping me to make me put my shoes on. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 24, 2007, 09:30:19 AM
Didn't know Kentuckians had shoes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 24, 2007, 10:42:21 AM
They don't....thats why I couldn't live down there anymore. 

AND they have UK fans, who are without a doubt the most fanatical fans in the country.  its sickening, but also was very funny when they didn't get Donovan when he was "in the bag". 


Hey JPC you lurking??  Is this meeting tonight going to be everything its being advertised as?  I have some major stuff to move around and the last time I went to a TMC deal, I ended up losing my girlfriend because I fell out on some "welcome home party" for her cousin.

LMK
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 24, 2007, 11:10:03 AM
my top 5 favorite things about kentucky:

1. fort knox
2. louisville cardinal football
3. no shoes
4. kentucky not getting donovan
5. roads named after turkeys, or just called turkey for that matter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 24, 2007, 11:22:28 AM
I'm surprised that Keeneland and Wild Turkey are not on your list.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 24, 2007, 02:03:16 PM
wild turkey would have been on there 4 years ago. however, i had a legendary night with wild turkey before thanksgiving and the hangover almost killed me. it's like a bad girlfriend, sure it's fun and dirty, but in the end you are the one getting hurt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 25, 2007, 08:32:15 AM
Hey guys, big news out of Crestview Hills last night.  It was announced at the Thomas More Hollbrook Center that construction will begin within the month on phase 1 of a two phase improvement plan for Thomas More Stadium. 

Phase one will include grading the field, installation of a track, lights and a new PA system.  The timeline for this is for September 2007. 

Sounds like this takes Ray Bosse's vision further along.  Ray was the man who was responsible for putting football on campus at Thomas More through donations and fund raising on his own behalf.  He had no backing from the school until they decided to put the team on campus.  I still remember laying down sod in the endzone....none of this would have been possible had Ray gotten things moving in the right direction back in the late 90s. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 25, 2007, 08:49:45 AM
where will the stadium be located? same spot or moved?

i am glad to see thomas more upping the football ammenities. that can be a great place to play football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 25, 2007, 10:26:57 AM
Jim Hilvert arrives, and poof, TMC starts working on a new stadium. Coincidence...I think not. Kentucky isn't that bad. My buddy lives down there (also a TMC guy) with his wife and he loves the Commonwealth (as he calls it).

SaintsFan, Josh called me last night and we talked about the plan. It's about time. I still have nightmares about the field in 2002. Some of the guys were a little pist though because the field should have been started already.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 25, 2007, 12:13:36 PM
Stadium will be in the same spot, but 4 feet lower (grading it out).  When all finished this will be a great place to play football and a nice recruiting tool. 

This has been in the works for awhile, Sayer.  Many have been working on this at various levels for some time now....  Has getting Hilvert given TMC a chance to get in front of more alums and given them a reason to get together and meet?  That answer is yes. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 25, 2007, 01:03:12 PM
I think Hilvert has a little more influence coming from MSJ to TMC than some other coaches may have due to the rival factor. He has first hand knowledge of how building a nice complex and field can help recruiting and school morale. Guys like us will go and watch football anywhere, but other students like coming to a nice complex and player take a little more pride in where they play when it's nice.

I know people have been "talking" about this, but that was also true at MSJ. They talked about building an on-campus complex since my buddy Greg was there in the laste 90's. They finally did it in 2004.  I think Hilvert is the one who set the ball rolling.

It's easy. Look, MSJ has been 6-4, 10-0, 9-1, and 9-1 since they started building a new complex. MSJ is our rival and has won 2 of the last 3 years (convincingly), would you rather play here (MSJ's complex) or here (TMC's complex). I recruited kids to MSJ and built a winner from a traditional loser with help from the nice facility, I can do the same with a nice facility here. Done deal in 2 minutes of speaking.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 25, 2007, 01:29:53 PM
i think the same was said when mike leonard was named head coach at franklin. they hired him from rival hanover, and said pretty much the same thing. while the stadium was already nice, they needed to improve the weight room (which only took a few years) and really do up the game day atmosphere (which leonard pretty much did with the help of great supporters). the alums were so willing to help in any way that they could (outside of investing for field turf) that he was able to put a team on the field with new uniforms, equipment, gameday atmosphere, and quality recruits in his first year. alums love leonard because:
1.) he is a great face guy for the program
2.) he will spend time with the alums and is sincere
3.) he is tremendous at presenting and selling the FC football program
4.) he is franklin football, and everybody knows that
5.) when you invest in his vision of the program, you'll see a positive return quickly

it sounds like hilvert is the same type of guy, and one that alums will like a lot. it also sounds like this guy had his ducks in a row when he interviewed and stated out clearly what his vision was for the program. i commend him and think they will do very well in their conference very soon.

anybody have an idea how spring has been going over there? offenses, defenses, should they be tough as soon as next year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 26, 2007, 09:03:02 AM
I have nothing on Spring Ball. I talk to guys still playing every now and again, but I don't have the first hand knowledge as I used to. I actually have more knowledge of TMC than I do MSJ...which is kind of bad. But I do know that all the players really like Jim Hilvert, love his new workout regiment, and seem to be buying into his system. Rumor is TMC also got an assistant from Colerain and someone else of mention to coach. I don't remember either's name. SaintsFan, can you confirm?

I still know which side I'll be sitting on come Novemeber though. Sporting the blue and gold, rooting for a TMC butt whoopin.

JPC - The Man, The Myth, The Legend and beach volleyball extraordinaire
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 26, 2007, 09:07:21 AM
And how about that Cincinnati Reds Boo-Pen. Bronson Arroyo may not have any golden locks left if the Redlegs keep putting up 1 run of support. He is currently 0-2 with a 2.86 ERA (one of the best ERA's in MLB).

Tomorrow is go time, 12:00 noon. I do think Michael Allen (Whitworth) will be drafted. The other big D3 prospect, Trusnick (ONU), will be passed on and will sign as a UFA.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 26, 2007, 09:41:30 AM
is ken griffey going to have a late career comback and be the man breaking barry bonds soon to be record? it's a shame he got hurt all those years. the man was a stud.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 26, 2007, 10:15:33 AM
Ken Griffey's high top baseball turf shoes were awesome for football.  Got to try a pair on, but never had the loot to purchase a pair.  Got stuck with the white "buddy" version Nikes from whatever wholesaler. 

Remember the kid from Princeton, running back converted to defensive back, had a pair of them there Griffey's.  The green see through bouncy stuff on bottom complemented the red unis so well.

Loved those "buddy" turf shoes during practice, but were in violation of the black shoe dress code for games. They were so nice, the guy I backed up at end styled them as urban wear. 

And yes frank, urban wear to macleod was going to class barefoot.  Bet I run faster barefoot than you do in them sandals.   ;D

Wasn't willin to paint up my uber-Nikes, so I go to the now defunct, can't remember the name, sporting goods retailer in downtown Springfield and buy a pair of dated Nike turf shoes, circa 1992.  This is in 1996 mind you, so am thinking good deal is in the works.  Bought some other junk too.  Exhausted after practice and being a subpar mathematician to boot, dude charged me ten dollars over the price he quoted on these lowtop Nike turf shoes.  Great shoes, just like the ones the school had been issuing for free back in the day.  >:(

Anyway, show up at practice the next day thinking I am styling.  Turns out the black shoes dress code applies to brand name as well.  Not really an issue as am only brand concious about power tools and chainsaws in particular: Stihl, Husqvarna, Dewalt and Craftsman, in that order.  Just a little upset at the fact had to turn a nice looking pair of Nikes into what look like a pair of officials shoes by marking the swoosh out with black marker because Reebok was supplying our cleats.    :'(  Use the word supplying losely as we had to pay for them.

Bought the Reebok high top screw ins just not the turf shoes.  Best pair of cleats owned to date, well maybe the Nikes I've got right now are a little better.  But be darned if the dog didn't chew them up on first sight.

In the meantime, every other pair of screw in cleats I've owned have shredded like string cheese.  Underarmours, too narrow, ripped out the side in less than five uses, darn Flintstone feet.  Adidas, best playing cleat, broke the metal and plastic plate on the bottom in half, darn power cleans and one legged squats.

Still have a pair of Reebok molds, same line as the ones from college, only the Emmit Smith version with the zip up spat, probably the fastest of all, but fastly approaching status as deck shoes as they play just as well on turf as grass these days.

Sorry for the ramble, just brought up Griffey and thats what sprung out of the cuckoo clock I call a noggin.
 
signed,
Marion Motley's Chuck Taylor's
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 26, 2007, 10:18:33 AM
Okay, okay, so maybe Milwaukee makes a good sawzall.

signed,
The Brewers and Doumit
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 26, 2007, 11:05:06 AM
50 years ago a very good pair of kangaroo skin, black high tops with screw-in , nylon, steel tipped cleats were tough to beat - light, flexible, strong, supporting and traction creating. Probably cost prohibitive today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 26, 2007, 12:11:27 PM
Had a pair of high top Converse that I bought during my freshman year of high school.  Wasn't real knowledgeable about materials and grade as the upper was made out of nylon.  Really tore the feet up.

First pair of football cleats, eighth grade, were leather low top Converse screw ins.  Just to show what a Dilbert I was even back then, thought the Cheerleaders shoes with the replaceable color swatches next to the Converse chevron were much more stylish than the gray on white deals Coach Blocher engineered for us.  Caught too much flack about wearing my Adidas Copas from the early soccer days to not follow suit and buy a pair of foootball as opposed to futbol cleats.  Though am afraid did have team colored shoe laces.

At risk of infuriating Victory, Laura Davies was probably upset with the outcome of the Liverpool-Chelsea match yesterday.

That freshman year, bought the Converse because Coach Bill called my Pumas basketball shoes.  No self respecting grappler should stand for such an insinuation.  While the swimmers were fish, at least they weren't basketball players.  Too bad came down with the brain pain freshman year, as never found out whether those Converse were worth a darn once broken in, they were just like the ones the brothers playing guard and tackle had, albeit in black as opposed to white, just like my gui.  Think theirs were leather, and should probably know given the usual persepctive

Didn't own another pair of screw ins until those Reeboks.  To tickle my fancy for style, at least those had 88 embroidered on the heel, so they could be customized to reflect the number on the jersey.

signed,
Haselrig
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 26, 2007, 01:12:02 PM
I used to play in Pony's. The style in 1991 (I was in 4th grade playing pee-wee) were the Nike Land Sharks. I was poor so Pony's had to do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on April 26, 2007, 11:58:36 PM
Just popped on to say hello.  All's well at TMC.  Spring practices are done, good news on the stadium came in, lots of hard work being done, recruiting is going well, and the alumni are getting the fever.  The staff gets along very well and we have a core of good players who have bought in.  I'll be curious to see these PAC schools up close to see what needs to be done to compete for the bid.  Since we open with Hanover you'll be able to get a sense of where we are come September.  It's a new offense and new defense so I can't predict anything (not that I would anyway).  It's so hard to tell without pads anyway.  I really like Trevor Stellman our QB.  He's very smart, focused, and can make all the throws.  Health will be a huge factor until we get some recruits in the system.

SaintsFan: The meeting was very good.  It focused mainly on one neighbor with about 75 objections which ate up 90% of the discussion but it was great to see the drawings on display and the committment from the school.  This has been in the works for quite a while but the stars are aligning.  Sister Stallmeyer has been great.  She seems to see the entire picture without a bias for or against sports.  TMC is lucky to have her in place at this time.  They are handling this the right way.  I simply would have sent in a video of Hilvert and his cut off finger to Extreme Home Makeover and tried to work a sympathy plea to Ty and the design team for our crappy unplayable field. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 27, 2007, 01:23:08 AM
those old cleats would have been glorious to wear. i was always stuck with a pair of 50 dolllar nike screw ins. once they broke in, they were awesome, but always lacked the simple black style of the old school.

i like how theobald used to get the all blacks and spat them up for games as a panther, glad he is a grizzly man now. he is so much less athletic, but much more beautiful in about 240 lbs at 5'7.

draft saturday, any last minute thoughts? i will be drinking a lot of beer and eating an amazing amount of pizza and wings. i am fat, but i love it. god i do love it so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2007, 11:15:29 AM
Today's the day. Everything is set so no last minute rearrangements tomorrow. The couch is brushed, the blanket is ready to be unfolded, and cooler near the recliner is ready to be filled with the beer and ice. All I need is ESPN tomorrow for Pick number 1...til I fall asleep.

The NFL Draft is a National Holiday. We should get a 3-day weekend for it. There's a lot of mental preparation needed and I find I'm having a hard time focusing today. I'm looking forward on Day 2 seeing a D3 name called.

Signed,
The Prestige
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2007, 11:17:18 AM
I think I see TMC starting 11 Freshmen next year, preparing for the 10-0 run in 2010.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 27, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
Not me.  My team here at work won an all expenses paid afternoon of golf and evening of dinner, beverages and gambling at Belterra.   I'll watch a bit, and then roll down 71 to Racers and then over to Belterra.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 27, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
Only allowing breakfast meat and eggs twice a week right now.  Started about two months ago.  Once during the week and once on the weekends.  In their stead have a bowl of Cheerios or Special K with a banana.  The potassium in the banana helps to regulate the two cups of coffee in the morning to keep the energy levels from spiking.

Was always told to eat bananas and fish before tests, turns out the science says it heals brain lesions and promotes coherent thought, maybe should look into that more.   ::)  Have probably eaten more seafood this year than the rest of my lifetime combined.

Tried taking Gingko Biloba for a few weeks when the diet first changed, but am so damn sensitive that I couldn't control how hyperactive it made me.  Makes for great awareness in group sport, but think it might have me trying the crusher on guys that bench press twice as much as me on the mat.  Kersplatt!

Anyway, have dropped better than 15 pounds per weigh ins last night.  That's little more than a stone for you limeys and  little less than 7 kilos for the Bulgarians and Canucks.  The digital scale kept bouncing back and forth between 250.5 and 251.5 depending on which thigh I was scratching.   ;)

Guess could always attribute the weight loss to cutting back on the pork rinds with Crisco for dipping sauce.  I'm so fat I wash myself with a rag on a stick.

Seriously though, have switched from calcium carbonate to calcium citrate and the zinc uptake is monumental.  The carbonate impedes renewal of what growth plates we have left.  Getting the zinc from blueskinned fruits: grapes, blueberries, blackberries etc...  Works real well with the Glucosamine, MSM, Chondroitin and Collagen liquid.  That stuff is a miracle drug.  If you're sulphur intolerant just try the caplets with Glucosamine only.  Those with any type of aches and pains should know about this stuff.  Nectar, just pure nectar.

Cut refined sugar almost completely out of the diet, and since the increase in fruit uptake, the stuff almost makes me gag.  Surprisingly, appreciation for a good beer has magnified ten fold.

signed,
Wylers (because I'm too cheap for Koolaid)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2007, 01:26:52 PM
WTF???

Racers...let me know how it is. I've never been, but plan on it sometime soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 02:28:44 PM
So far, things have been interesting. I think the Browns taking Thomas has shook things up for the first 10 picks. Suprises...Brady Quinn still sitting after 11 picks (doesn't suprise me, but suprises the 'experts' and Teddy Ball Game being the 9th selection for the Dolphins. I think his diversity is the reason he was selected. Other than the QB aspect (which he does have a little exp at QB) he's essentially a Randel-El...can run the reverses, play WR and return kicks and Randel El did very well with the Steelers. I think if the Dolphins get Trent Green, which may be inevidable now that they didn't take Quinn, I think Tedy Ball Game will fit in nicely with the system and as Jimmy T says, special teams is the most important aspect of football. aka Devin Hester and the games he changed for Da Bears last year...Teddy Ginn??? same thing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 04:31:19 PM
Cleveland gives up their 2nd round pick and their 1st round pick in 2007 to get Brady Quinn at pick #22. They now have 2 of the top 5 players (as selected by Mel Kiper). Personally, I think Quinn will be your typical average QB, and none better, but with Jamall Lewis at HB, the new O-line (Joe Thomas 2007, and Steinbach-former Bengal) and Braylon Edwards and Winslow at WR/TE, Cleveland will have an offense that will challenge. They have been working on the defense in FA, watch out in 2007 for Cleveland. Next year they will be alright, but I hope they don't get anxious and put Quinn in ahead of schedule. Smart move by the Browns though. Lets see if they can get some quality in the 2nd day.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 04:48:56 PM
Bengals select Leopn Hall. Not a good pick in my opinion. I know he was high on a lot of Draft boards, but high profile WR in college such as Teddy Ball Game and Dwayne Jarrett have made him look like an average Corner. I think the Bengals would have done better with Michael Griffin or Reggie Nelson, both of whom I believe are better than Leon Hall.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 05:53:42 PM
49ers Trading their #1 in 2007 for a late round #1 this year??? Not what I would have done.

Where is everyon else?


You know what my drunk-ass has been thinking about. Everyone puts all this $$ money and efort into the best picks (#1, 2 ,3 ) but majority of the top players are late rounders. (3rd round and up). MY explaination is that these guys rely more on technique than overall athletic ability. Tom Brady, Housch, Colston, just name a small few. I'd rather have an O-linemen who has the proper kick-slide, keeps his hips low, and can bench press a volkswagon, tha an O-linemen who passes all these speed/quickness tests. Why??? how often does an O-linemen need to move more than 2 yards. If he can get into his pass set and press the guy off of him and has proper footwook, who gives a rats a$$ how fast he his. In the run game in The League, it's all position blocking. Nobody cares if you can pancake everone. Get a body on a body and beat your opponent mano e' mano. That's what it is all about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 28, 2007, 07:19:25 PM
if god really hates cleveland, brady quinn and joe thomas will be eaten by hyper aggressive evil marlins on a fishing trip.

this is the best opening round for the browns since they nailed down a guy named kosar. if these guys suck, i am going to say the city is being punished by art modell's voodoo witch doctor.

OL should be pretty good this year. thomas, steinback, bently, tucker and andruzzi (i think). charlie frye sucks and should be sent to siberia. derek anderson, well i hate this guy. he reminds me of a boss i had in high school that had a super deep bass filled voice and no personality. he may fun, but that image won't leave me. he has to go or made to leave.

i am not sold on jamal lewis, he better come out ballin. braylon, shut up and run routes. soldier, start wearing camo, a lot.

my main concern is their defense. they are so sluggish sometimes that i want to drink poison during the games. i have never seen a team just get grabbed like little boys rushing the qb and get bitched around like that. they look tired, weak, slow, non manly, etc. i hope the next pic they get some sort of really angry and mean dude. let's get some guy who saw his family go down by keyser soze and wants to just hit the hell out of everybody. that would be nice.

mel kiper, is getting on my nerves. the second he brings up the sleeper from up state montana who played 8 man football at little Cowboy Juco Arts School, i am calling espn and complaining.

i do love this day, even though it's stressful, i love it so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 28, 2007, 08:02:05 PM
Okay, okay, sorry for the Julia Child's power training power lunch hour earlier.

First, Victory, how can you hate on Charlie Frye?  Any guy that can bumble and stumble his way that far down the field makes my hero list purely for the sake of not being smart enough to stay down.  Really thought he was gonna get cleaved like Dre Bledsoe for a minute there.

[segue]  Only braver or stupid run run I've seen involved the second ND Brooks Brother circa 1992.  Dude gets absolutely wacked and maintains his directional momentum and balance entering the endzone unconcious from at least seven yards out.

Cleveland's oline could be very good, hopefully they are deep and a veteran tackle is there to tutor Thomas and a veteran guard plays next to him to solidify his confidence in knowing the blocks to make.  Nothing worse than paralysis through analysis.  But with Jamal Lewis it could simply be K.I..S.S.  White knuckle all the way.  That speed at tackle reeks of GT counter and counter boot.

Andruzzi? 'Nuff said.  Bucketsallday for the firefighters' brother.

Which brings us to Herr Quinn.  Not many thoughts here, other than Cleveland is a Golden Domer town in my mind and the weather is similar to South Bend.  Domes are for sissies.  Think Frye will still carry some weight besides the clipboard, but this is the best fit for Quinn in my esteem.  Whether it is the best fit for Cleveland remains to be seen, after all the Golden Domers say I look like Kosar.  Kid is tall enough to look over a big line in playaction without windows, fast enough to boot a little and strong enough to take hits.  Expect a lot of handoffs and checkdown passing.

With Crennell being a defensive guy, expect Cleveland to use many backs to grind and find a smurf receiver, whether on the roster or in the draft to help tilt open and boundary flank when Charger JR is at end instead of motion flank to two splits. 

Might we see some Marchibrodaesque looks for an Hback to offset full as well?  That would be the coup d'etat.  Like Leonard beating Wing T teams with Sally in his own backyard.  There's Modell's witchdoctor Victory, and I've got his uglies.

Cincinatti? 

Safeties don't play corner Sayer.  So much potential on that team it is sickening.  The Pacers of the NFL, but managing to keep the roster intact.


signed,
Seargents Pepper and Johnson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 28, 2007, 09:39:23 PM
Sayer:

As always i have to agree with you on the Bengals first round pick about the kid from Michigan.  I would like to see them take a conner or safty, put not to sure about that kid. 

What about the second pick a rb.  There a dime a dozen.  I was hoping they would still go defense and pick an out side LB.  I know there short some what short at rb with henry always hurt.

Question, was the DT out of U of M still on the board?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 28, 2007, 09:40:25 PM
It feels good to be back on the board
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 29, 2007, 04:18:18 AM
the dt out of michigan only had 25 tackles his senior year. not that productive. more hype than animal.

i hate frye because he is too thick to see the reads. i am glad he is too thick to know he got hammered 10 plays in a row to know how to get scared, but come on... he is now future qb of a franchise. big ben he is not.

the ol could be good, very good next year. olmen adjust better to the nfl than skill guys for some reason. i think if you are good at wrestling and throwing around guys, you eventually keep being good at it. it's harder to adjust to coverages and routes than whipping somebody's butt. all that being said, cleveland will love quinn like kosar. both wanted to come very badly and revive the once proud franchise.

their defesne needs help. i love the pic of michigan's corner to the bengals. good CHARACTER guy and i think he will be much more mature than the whack jobs on the roster. day 2 will be great for the bengals. they will get a few guys who will scrap to stay on a team and do what needs to be done. in essence, good CHARACTER  guy who will play balls out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 29, 2007, 10:15:42 AM
bengals went with the best on the board in rd2. Dtackle and linaebacker from UM were both gone (i think woodley went to Pittjust before Cincy).  there was a huge run on D just before the pick and there was not a lot of great value on D sitting there.  Irons is first round talent and Cincy needs a backup everydown back cause they kill Rudi every sunday and Perry has been useless because of injury the last couple years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 29, 2007, 10:17:31 AM
MacLeod - not sure if you were just beign funny but if you really are dieting the best resource i have found and is free is www.sparkpeople.com

does nutrition and workout tracking for you.

have gone from 345 at christmas to 280 right now
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 29, 2007, 10:43:11 AM
Thanks DC70, checked it out, seems pretty cool.  There was a time I weighed in the three hundreds.  Most who knew me in college that first year only remember me at 200 that year.  Swung a hundred pounds in one academic calendar year, both ways, 200 to 300 to 200. 

Am not in it so much for the weight loss or inches, as much as am trying to get stronger without getting fluffier and don't want my energy levels spiking.  On my diet it is more about what you eat than what you don't eat. 

I train Bulgarian, and it is less about calorie in and calorie out and more about keeping the battery charged to sustain kilojoules and learn how to call on them.

Big thing is the content of that first meal sets up the metabolism for successive meals of the day.  Next most important thing is eating protein before going to sleep to prime for that first meal.  The rest of it is just gravy.  mmm mmm gravy tastes good

Victory, am not saying Frye is the future of the franchise.  Maybe the Kubiak to Quinn's Elway.  Just gagged on my own vomit with that statement.  Knowing that my favorite QB is Jon KItna should tell you something right off the bat.

It is just that power running teams' quarterbacks get teed off on and eventually the backup gets some time.  Think Rypien and Williams.  Simms and Hostettler.  Kelly and Reich.

Hogeboom, Trudeau and Tupa.  LMAO, guess they're the quarterbacks that got teed off on with or without attendant power running game.  Axe that logic.

Okay, okay, so maybe Frye is more akin to Tupa than Reich or Hostetler, but come on, dude has a serious set of brass cajones.  I don't like quarterbacks very much at all and I like this dude.

signed,
Buster Douglas on Sega
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on April 29, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
QuoteMaybe the Kubiak to Quinn's Elway.  Just gagged on my own vomit with that statement.  Knowing that my favorite QB is Jon KItna should tell you something right off the bat.

The most entertaining posts on the site, bar none.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 29, 2007, 12:09:14 PM
Graham and Ratterman. Paul Brown had some great stories about George Ratterman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 29, 2007, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on April 29, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
The most entertaining posts on the site, bar none.

How am I funny to you.  Am I funny haha.  Tell me. Tell me how I am funny to you.  You think I'm here to entertain you.

Hey yo Frankie, dem der LLPP guytes, dey givin utes a hahd time?

Next time dey order spaghetti and marinara weezus a sendum egg noodles and ketchup.

Gotta slice the garlic real thin like so it melts in the saute butter.

Now I'm beklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

signed,
Spydah
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 29, 2007, 05:55:07 PM
I try not to understand.

I know, but whether it's safety or corner, the Bengals obviously needed both and I think the two Safeties, Griffin and Nelson would have been a better pick, then selecting a corner in Rd 2, then doing whatever. I thought it may have been a possibility that Cincy would take Troy Smith and try to do what they attempted to do with Reggie McNeal last year.

And remember, I'm calling this right now. The best WR in this draft will be Gonzo from Ohio State. I know Calvin Johnson has the speed, size, but Anthony Gonzales runs the best routes of any WR in this draft, catches the ball very well, and will be a Houschmanzadah type WR. Plus he's with the Colts who have the best QB in the game. The lions will still be looking for a legit QB in a couple years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 29, 2007, 06:46:40 PM
It has been a while since I've posted but I needed Sayer's analysis to be justified about Gonzales being better than Calvin Johnson? 
Also, the Lions had a QB who threw for over 4,000 yards last season in Mike Martz's offense.  Now I'm not saying Kitna is better than Manning, but who is really in a better position to have the better rookie season?  Let me add Johnson will be a no. 2 receiver while Gonzales will be getting time at the no. 3 or 4.
Oh yeah, I'm a Lions fan too!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 30, 2007, 09:01:16 AM
Sayer,

Saturday was good.  Not many days can you get 18 holes of golf, a few dances at Racers AND a VERY long night at the Casino....  In fact, I slept all day yesterday because there were a few of us that didn't go to bed on Saturday night.

I came out ahead by $300 but a buddy of mine was the big winner at $1800.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 30, 2007, 09:13:33 AM
i would rather play 3-4 receiver in indy than be the man in detroit. while the 8mile thing is cool and all, the team is aweful and woeful. since they are a member of the old guard in the nfl, i wish they would get back on track and get to the super bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 30, 2007, 02:03:56 PM
when are the Lions going to learn that these skills guys that they keep picking aren't going to get it done until they land an offense line that can protect the QB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2007, 02:29:04 PM
The Lions have no real incentive to improve as long as they sell-out every game with this pathetic product.  REAL Lions fans DON'T attend games - it is the only vote we've got to improve the team!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 02:33:18 PM
The Lions did do some work on the line during the offseason.  They picket up George Foster in a trade w/ the Broncos which he did start 49 out of 45 games.  They also signed Edwin Mulitalo from the Ravens who will play left guard.  Also, Damian Woody dropped 31lbs in the offseason showing he is taking things more seriously as he entered a program at Duke to drop the extra weight.  So it looks like they have addressed the Oline issue to protect Kitna w/ some vets that will get the job done.
I think the Lion's offense will be good to great this year, its their defense that will be the problem.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2007, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 02:33:18 PM
The Lions did do some work on the line during the offseason.  They picket up George Foster in a trade w/ the Broncos which he did start 49 out of 45 games.  They also signed Edwin Mulitalo from the Ravens who will play left guard.  Also, Damian Woody dropped 31lbs in the offseason showing he is taking things more seriously as he entered a program at Duke to drop the extra weight.  So it looks like they have addressed the Oline issue to protect Kitna w/ some vets that will get the job done.
I think the Lion's offense will be good to great this year, its their defense that will be the problem.

Ah, an overachiever! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 30, 2007, 04:03:11 PM
i would get a guy who played in more games than required as well. he seems like he loves the game, and has a real passion for playing, or shadow blocking.

the lions sell out their games. they have great fans and stupid front office people. i get why they picked the wr from georgia tech, but come on. actually, let jon kitna earn his money. if he can throw passes and pass block de's in the nfl, he may be highly underrated. plus, he shaves his head and swears a lot, i like that in a qb. kudos to detroit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 04:13:42 PM
Thanks Mr. Ypsi for pointing out my mistakes. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 30, 2007, 04:33:37 PM
I thought that too.....shall we say...."he's a real gamer". 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2007, 04:36:02 PM
Oh, shucks - that was a mistake?!

The Lions could use a few overachievers! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 30, 2007, 06:20:20 PM
if it makes you feel better, i was just weed whacking the outside and took what i thought was entire infectous bed of weeds. i was very proud of my afternoon. there were a lot of weeds and i completely erradicated my little domicile of them. turns out, they were expensive flowers and plants that are hard to keep alive. i just murdered about $400 bucks of whatever the hell they are. this is going to be a very interesting evening. pray for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 07:05:51 PM
The Lions needing only a few overachievers is an understatement.  Hopefully their clean house tactic pays off by getting rid of all the bad attitudes & bringing in all of the "character players" that Marinelli keeps on talking about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 30, 2007, 09:01:34 PM
Keep in mind that Jon Kitna is 34 years old and has been in the NFL for 10 years now. His best year in terms of yards was last year, but he still threw more INT's than he did TD's. He is on the down hill and other than a few good years (1999, 2003, and last year) he has been a very average QB. What happens to average QB's when they get old? Calvin Johnson did have 3 games this past year where he caught 2 or less passes. His season next year may be similar cause honestly, I don't see Kitna putting together 2 years back to back like he had last season.

Anthony Gonzales will catch his passes. Payton Manning throws and completes A LOT. Marvin Harrison will be in his 12th year next year and isn't getting younger. While Gonzo is learning football and working with the smartest player in The League, Calvin Johnson will still be searching for a QB to throw to him. Randy Moss is an amazing WR and going to the Patriots scares me, but how good has he been recently. No one can get him the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 30, 2007, 09:07:37 PM
As a #3 receiver in Indy's offense, Brandon Stokely caught 109 passes for over 1600 yards and 11 TD's during 2004 and 2005. He was injured last year. He's gone and filling his spot will be Anthony Gonzales.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 01, 2007, 10:11:15 AM
i am still in shock over miami drafting ginn. his foot injury is the same one that ended a few notable nfl careers, and one that doctors still do not have a good grasp on. i have heard of guys who have recovered, but only after 9 months of in-activity and a some major surgery. does anybody have any info on ginn's recovery? what they did to fix his foot?

mel kiper called troy smith the qb steal of the draft, thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on May 01, 2007, 10:22:44 AM
Troy Smith has a lot of upside for a 5th rounder - but a big "wash out" factor.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 01, 2007, 12:28:48 PM
Concerning Smith

Sorry Sayer: but what does he offer in terms of productivity for an NFL team.  I don' think he is that fast as an Randel type of player.  He has the arm and the percecsion passing capability but i question his QB decision making.

He is moved to a slot back and is utilized as WR position then can catch a ball?

I don't see what Mel kipper sees in Troy Smith
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 01, 2007, 03:30:52 PM
He did win a Heisman and put up similar numbers as Quinn against similar competition. Quinn had more yards and TD, but Smith had better completion % and less INT. Smith's rating was also better. Other than one game, he picks it up and plays great in the spotlight.

Troy Smith was a 2nd round pick until the Florida game. JaMarcus Russell was a mid-late 1st round pick until the Sugar Bowl.  Lesson: Don't screw up in your last game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 01, 2007, 06:52:16 PM
actually, i agree with sayer. if he whooped on florida, then maybe he would've been a higher pick.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on May 01, 2007, 10:26:05 PM
Kiper may see a young Jeff Blake in Smith.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 02, 2007, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 01, 2007, 03:30:52 PM
He did win a Heisman and put up similar numbers as Quinn against similar competition. Quinn had more yards and TD, but Smith had better completion % and less INT. Smith's rating was also better. Other than one game, he picks it up and plays great in the spotlight.

Troy Smith was a 2nd round pick until the Florida game. JaMarcus Russell was a mid-late 1st round pick until the Sugar Bowl.  Lesson: Don't screw up in your last game.


Quinn played like **** against USC AND LSU right?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 02, 2007, 10:15:06 AM
no, i would say that his teammates dropped about 11 passes vs USC and his OL couldn't open a hole for his running backs. not being argumentative, but even the announcers were all over the dropped passes and that "great OL" being tossed around like a group of freshmen. i remember two dropped passes in the end zone. you cannot drop passes that hit you in the hands in the endzone and beat usc.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 02, 2007, 10:30:41 AM
he may have been killed by lsu, i was flipping through channels at that point. i have no story on that game except that lsu has an enormous team. a lot of really big people and they can run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 02, 2007, 12:06:05 PM
Well but, but i just haven't bought into Smith as a professional QB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 02, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
He struggled against those teams. He wasn't horrible, but stuggled. He looked average in a lot of ND games this year and it all started with the OSU loss last year in the fiesta bowl.

He did put up some impressive bench reps though. I think he repped 225 for 22 reps.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 02, 2007, 12:47:51 PM
Frank, Kiper?

See a young Bradshaw in Smith.

Gonna make a comparison here and hopefully the wrasslin' spirits don't get too upset.

The NFL goes in cycles and is perpetually evolving.  In basketball, there was a time when the Lakers and Celtics were running willy nilly with taller players and the long stride.  That is, until Isaiah and the Microwave came around and negated out and out speed with quickness and tenacity.

Now, the linemen in the NFL grew to Appalachian status once the use of hands was made more liberal for passblocking.  And outside of three wide sets and other unothodox sets, the short receivers utility was novelty.  Marvin the Martian and Mike Martz did much to rememdy this, but still, the tall recevier is considered prototypical.

Recently, have seen the advent or at least retrun of smaller, attendantly shorter linebackers, with greater quickness to be able to turn hips and help out in deeper pass coverages.  The caveat being Urlacher, but then again, that double monster invert thing they run has the center fielder, errrr middle linebacker playing in the box.

Think Troy might be the Isaiah type return to a quarterback that both buys time and rushes much like Zeke did for the Bad Boy Pistons.

If McNair hangs around and tutors Smith for a minute, might see the quarterback position evolve away from the Goliaths of Manning, Elway and Jim Everett and back toward the scrambling and tenacity of the Bobby Laynes, Steve Youngs and (heaven forbid!) Jon Kitnas.

If there was ever a quarterback to tutor Smith, should think it is McNair, afterall, he did tutor his own heir down in Tennessee, Vince Young, when Vince was a Longhorn.

Smith will need an acrobatic receiver or two and a tight end to get vertical.  While Martz might be considered multiple West Coast, the real West Coast guys, Holmgren and Chucky et al, look for quick reads with the eyes and arm as opposed to the feet....  probably why Kitna was bumrushed out of Seattle for the taller 'system' quarterback.

There was a considerable amount of West Coast mentality that evolved in Tennesse for McNair under Fisher, and this school looked more toward semi-splitting the backs from I with taller tailbacks.  Maybe the reason Jamal Lewis, lower center of gravity churning style has passsed under Billick.  Even Martz was gravitating this way with the Oregon State guy at tail.

If the evolution of those microbackers is compromised by the downhill forward lean of taller running backs, have to think extra footedness with the quarterback could help turn flank.

Smith the next Blake?  C'mon Frank,  where's the love babyboy.  Always the hater.  Love it, love it!!  Hater-haters collaborate.

Not a big Buckeye fan here, but like the potential for Smith.  His powerful build might allow him to do some things in the pros that a shorter quartebrack like Leak might not.  Think back to McNabb's injury year three seasons ago,  Feely and Koy come in and tear things up, but their slight builds compromise their health.  Garcia had these same skill sets, but little more powerful build and operates well out of one of the West Coast permutations under Holmgren's twin.

Smith is no Kordell.  Smith didn't play in the option, but betting while Kordell probably had the better 40 time, Smith is probably faster on the 20 shuttle.

Then again, anybody that watched the quarterback skills challenge the week before the draft is thinking it is a safe bet Smith plays something more Randle El than Cunningham.

signed,
Craig Stadler and Laimbeer's Mask
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 02, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
When Troy Smith faced a team w/ real speed like Flordia he had no idea on what to do which resulted in a bad game for him.  Now take the speed of Flordia & multiply it by 10 & that is what he'll be facing in the NFL.
Now part of the blame does go towards his protection b/c he did pretty much have someone on top of him every play, but to me he didn't look like an NFL caliber qb to me.  Could I be wrong?  Absolutely, considering the rest of his career at OSU was amazing, but overall I see him making his career at another position.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 02, 2007, 03:11:36 PM
Who cares really.....I hope both Quinn and Smith SUCK in the NFL while they are with the teams who have drafted them.  Now if they get moved out of the AFC North, I'll probably be singing a different tune.

I would have liked to have seen Quinn in a Dolphins uniform. 

Prediction:

Ted (don't call me Jr.) Ginn will be a bust in Miami because of injuries from being slightly built and an attitude problem...

The ND boys (minus Rhema McKnight) will have nominal careers in the NFL.  Brady mostly because he's going to be a Brown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 02, 2007, 05:20:59 PM
Macke, have started interviewing yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 02, 2007, 06:39:11 PM
i see smith more of a drew brees with a much stronger arm, more durable, and a bit like john elway, only shorter, a tad slower, not as strong as an arm, and blacker.

it would be nice if the nfl coaches came in and saw a qb and tailored an offense for them. ala dan reeves for elway, wyche for boomer, you get my point.

i wonder if that's why hotlanta hired petrino. he is known for a wide array of offensive plays that can put his qb in the forefront. if he does that with vick, watch out. he is used to working with 19 yr old freshman who just met mary rotten and teaches them his offense. i am sure he can teach a stoned vick what to do on the run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 03, 2007, 09:40:14 AM
no, not yet, starting to get a little nervous.  You?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 03, 2007, 09:45:13 PM
I'm with ya buddy. Except I hadn't heard anything for 2 years. I was told it's still very early, but still. I've sent my stuff into about 12 schools/districts and haven't heard a thing back. No email, call, letter, etc. I guess all those Cincy Public layoffs is causing some problems. I'm starting to look at some Country schools. The market is a little less saturated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 04, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
Sayer- there are tons of jobs out here in California for teachers.  You sould look at lausd.net for info.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2007, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 03, 2007, 09:45:13 PM
I'm with ya buddy. Except I hadn't heard anything for 2 years. I was told it's still very early, but still. I've sent my stuff into about 12 schools/districts and haven't heard a thing back. No email, call, letter, etc. I guess all those Cincy Public layoffs is causing some problems. I'm starting to look at some Country schools. The market is a little less saturated.
Adam. come to Texas, especially the DFW northern suburbs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 04, 2007, 10:27:10 PM
I know, it is just so discouraging.  I don't know what to do.  I think might sub for another year or so until the department chair retires next year.

I'm to scared to leave the West Side of Cincinnati  :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 07, 2007, 10:22:50 AM
try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgX-hiQdfFw
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 07, 2007, 10:23:51 AM
and don't party like this guy....sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQJPeuU5H8
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 07, 2007, 07:01:38 PM
Don't Hassel The Hoff. He has some problems.

If I was single, I'd take a look at some of those options, but my Ol Lady is almost in her nursing clinicals and I need to take into account her needs as well. We're not married or engaged, but that's just a matter of $$$ more than anything right now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 07, 2007, 09:52:44 PM
what the hell was that?

That was WRONG in so many WAYS!!

I can't believe that they actually let this guy decide talent show
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 08, 2007, 09:20:35 AM
that guy likes his sauce
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 08, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
proof that this is the best show on tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENX2hUQhTm4
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 08, 2007, 08:49:31 PM
That is an actual disease/syndrome believe it or not. I learned about it way back in psych 101. Which was about 7 years ago now. There are quite a few oddities out there that you wouldn't think of. People being scared of aluminum foil...all sorts of screwed up things. But Scrubs is a very funny show.

DON'T HASSEL THE HOFF
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 09, 2007, 09:27:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ

now, why couldn't these guys be smart enough to buy the helmet and shoulder pads? huge rugby hits, and yes, scrubs is awesome.

the more you know
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 09, 2007, 10:48:15 AM
Great Hits, but even more amazing shorts
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 10, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on May 09, 2007, 09:27:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ

now, why couldn't these guys be smart enough to buy the helmet and shoulder pads?  

the more you know

VB,

Deleted previous message due to Mencia's "dee-dee-dee" syndrome - didn't read previous threads, and had senior brain flatulence.

I believe an investigation of rosters of most city rugby clubs in the US, such as the Indy Reds and Cinci Wolfhounds, will reveal quite a few lawyers, doctors, and other professionals as participants.  Some "mentally-challenged idiots" still lace up the boots and have a go as "old boys" (over thirty-fives), though the third half tends to be the main attraction.  ::)

There's an actual world tournament, The Golden Oldies, held every four years for the geriatric set.

Signed,

"Still crazy after all these years" - 38 of them
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 10, 2007, 09:42:37 PM
So let me get this straight. In Rugby, you knock the piss out of the guy to the point where hopefully he's unconscious and fall on him, creating a pile and try to steal the ball. My kind of sport!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 11, 2007, 12:49:48 AM
Sayer -

If you get a spare moment, get on the Cincinnati Wolfhounds RFC website, and find out when there's a match in town.  Miami U plays pretty quality ball as well, in your immediate neighborhood.

No downfield blocking, and the ball is the constant "on-sides" line for possessing team.  Minor infringements are seldom called right away, as the flow of the game is allowed to proceed to see if the non-offending side can benefit "or gain advantage" from the miscue.  The flow is similar to a continuous pass interception scenario (ala Stanford-Cal), and triple option attack except you have fourteen options as well as kicking the ball to yourself or a team-mate coming from behind (compare to the new two-line pass rule in hockey with a streaking winger).

Several of Roy Kramer's all-MAC footballers become rugby players post-eligibility ('75-78) up at Mt Pleasant/Central Michigan.  Linemen really enjoyed the opportunity to carry and kick the ball vs sitting in the trenches and letting some clean-socked, bench-challenged specialist get "gravy on both sides of the biscuit."
Three of them - Szymarek, Kovaleski, and Smallbone still play with the Exile Originals (1976-1985 roster members) - and yes, most of us are over 50.

Check it out - any guy on the sidelines will explain idiosyncracies to you, and the post game parties are legendary.  ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2007, 10:04:23 AM
I tried to send something in to get a little more information but the computer wouldn't let me (don't know if it's a school block or not). I'd like to do it as something to do (I'm starting Flag Football next week-we're sponsored by Champions Sports Bar) But you don't hit or tackle and that's the whole point of football. I don't care about my spin moves anymore, I want contact. It seems like their season is about over so I may try to do something next year with them. They seem to have a really good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on May 11, 2007, 01:21:48 PM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070511/SPORTS0202/705110422/1057/SPORTS02

This is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 11, 2007, 02:44:51 PM
hot damn, that's great news for the grizzlies. like i've always said, you get around leonard and you love the man. great recruiter, great coach, great person.

how is hanover's recruiting going?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 11, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
5'10"?

He's going to end up at WR or DB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2007, 05:14:56 PM
Maybe, maybe not. They may need to get him out of the pocket to throw, but putting up those kinds of numbers is impressive. He seems to have good decision making skills (unlike other QB's I know who liked to get out of the pocket). We'll see. I wonder if it's a legit 5'10" or if he may even be 5'9" or so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 11, 2007, 08:22:51 PM
QuoteThis is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw.

how is little giant recruiting going at the qb spot? And overall? Have heard some mixed reviews.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 11, 2007, 08:29:42 PM
QuoteThis is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw. 

Can anyone provide an update on franklin rcruiting? coach leonard is a class act who is reaping what he has sowed (sown?) these past few years. nice to see him achieve success. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on May 11, 2007, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on May 11, 2007, 08:22:51 PM
QuoteThis is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw.

how is little giant recruiting going at the qb spot? And overall? Have heard some mixed reviews.


I know Jake German from North Montgomery is going to Wabash next year - played QB and had a pretty successful career.  Coach last year was his dad, Charley German, who also played at Wabash.  It's a good recruit for Wabash.

I'm just now getting back into the loop now that the tax crunch is behind me, so I'm not sure about other commitments at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 12, 2007, 05:13:10 PM
i don't think 5'10 will have a major outcome on his success in college. too much is placed on height a lot of times, and not enough on making plays. he seems to make plays. i especially liked in the article where he looked forward to soaking up leonard's system for 2 years before making a starting run. how many successful athletes have played and had to sit for a year, or two, or three, and hang it up. it takes maturity to realize your spot and keep getting better everyday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 12, 2007, 09:57:49 PM
Quoteit takes maturity to realize your spot and keep getting better everyday.

that sounds great...but i want a player who wants to compete right away....sounds like this kid wants to air amil his first two years---looking forward to his junior year...just like in high school. i'm sure he's a solid player and a great kid...but spare me the "waiting your turn" spin...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 13, 2007, 02:35:54 PM
please inscabout,

i think everybody associated with franklin college football knows that chad rupp is the man the next two years. this kid obviously saw some film or attended a game to know how good he is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 13, 2007, 09:31:57 PM
Quotei think everybody associated with franklin college football knows that chad rupp is the man the next two years. this kid obviously saw some film or attended a game to know how good he is.

understood....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 13, 2007, 11:28:15 PM
But still, you come in wanting to play, or redshirt a year, which is what I would recommend. Having that attitude about wanting to wait isn't good because you tend to get lazy. You start thinking along the basis, I don't have to work today, there's plenty of time. Then all of a sudden BAM, you haven't done crap and your trying to bid for a starting spot. I would encourage him to be a pain in the butt. Watch film, live in the coaches office asking questions, try to outdo the starter. If he doesn't get the starting job, the competition will only make Rupp better...or show you he's not up for the challenge of stepping to the next level. Whatever it is, competition only makes a team better.

8-Ace Left-Gun Strong-Fac-Indiana-Girl-On Two (trying to be creative...but it is an actual offensive set and play)

Signed,
JPC Wannabe
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 13, 2007, 11:30:58 PM
Just an FYI, the O-Line clinic is this weekend at the Millineum Hotel. I hope to see some of you there.  Maybe Sayer can get on stage and show what a "real" offensive lineman looks like.   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 14, 2007, 06:37:31 AM
QuoteBut still, you come in wanting to play, or redshirt a year, which is what I would recommend. Having that attitude about wanting to wait isn't good because you tend to get lazy. You start thinking along the basis, I don't have to work today, there's plenty of time. Then all of a sudden BAM, you haven't done crap and your trying to bid for a starting spot. I would encourage him to be a pain in the butt. Watch film, live in the coaches office asking questions, try to outdo the starter. If he doesn't get the starting job, the competition will only make Rupp better...or show you he's not up for the challenge of stepping to the next level. Whatever it is, competition only makes a team better.

my point...well said.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 14, 2007, 07:10:29 PM
Macke...Any luck? I had an interview today in Silver Grove, KY. If I get the job, I may give Coach Hilvert or Huber a call and see if I can't help out. I miss football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 14, 2007, 07:36:07 PM
By the way, the formation would look like this: (Basically I'm really bored)
                         Y  T  G  C  G  T  Z
      X          < -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - F
                                 H  Q

Fullback starts in the '8' spot, goes in motion (Fac). The base formation is Ace Left (Ace meaning 1 WR). The QB is in gun. Strong tells the HB he's lined up to the strength. We're running Inside Zone left.

Here's another:

0-Twins Right-Fig-50-3,5,1,out
                        X  T  G  C  G  T                        Z
                                    Q                     Y
                     ^- - - - - -F
                                    H

Fullback starts in the '0' spot, goes in Fig motion (weak wing). The pass protection is 50 (even tells HB to block LB's 1-2 on right, OL blocks down linemen and LB's 0-2 on the left). X runs a corner, Y runs an out, Z runs a fade, and the fullback runs an out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 15, 2007, 11:24:31 AM
NO luck  :(

Did you check out the Taylor Head Coaching Job.  I mentioned your name to the AD.

I know the Distrcit has PE jobs opening up at the Middle and High School.

Sayer have you tried playing your flute lately.  That always helps pass the time instead of drawing up formations up on the internet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 15, 2007, 11:28:27 AM
Bengals release Sam Adams.  Little surpiresed by that espicially how they thought so highly of him, and since rehabing and working hard this offseason to drop weights.  "suppositly".

Sucks for him since he just took ownership in Arena Team here in the Nati.

Sounds like Odel is going be given a second chance by the Bengals if he is cleared by the League.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 15, 2007, 04:19:55 PM
The flute's a little rusty  ;D

I'll check it out, but I don't want to be a HC yet. Maybe a Coordinator.

I'll see ya at Nicole's graduation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 15, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
Can anyone provide an overview of Franklin recruiting????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 16, 2007, 07:32:14 AM
VBell can...PM him. He'll be the only one.

Macke, I didn't know it (forgot actually) but Randy Mecklenberg is the principal. He knows me well. Used to be Deer Park's former Athletic Director. He sucked as an AD, didn't care about wrestling one bit. Maybe life's better for him as the principal. I'll never forget making out with this girl in his office. She was his aide, and I'll admit, ugly, but she was a senior and I was a freshman so I didn't give a rats a$$.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 16, 2007, 10:44:10 AM
Sayer you dog You

Ya, Randy still works for the District I don't know if he is Principal still or whether he works down in the district office.

You coming over on Sunday?

Give me someone to talk to
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 16, 2007, 10:45:46 AM
Heck, I don't know anything about the MSJ's recruiting class this year

Supposedly TMC got a couple of guys from Elder and Lasalle
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 16, 2007, 03:41:42 PM
i have heard franklin is doing a nice job of wrapping up the late deciders. you know the guys who are pretty talented and are flipping a coin to see if they are going to fc, hc, wabash, or depauw. they have done real well late in the game the past couple of years with this process and i expect it to continue.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 16, 2007, 06:32:31 PM
Macke,

I'll be there Sunday. She said there would be brew, but to bring some just in case. Blue Moon has out a new Summer Ale that's pretty tasty.

I'm putting together an offensive playbook incorpoarating some ideas I borrowed from my time under JPC, Coach Mac, the Cincy Marshals, and the Semi Pro team. I guess playing that Semi Pro crap wasn't a complete waste of my time. I'll ship you a copy of it when I'm finished to give you some ideas and to help you out.

I've been busy with job searching and whatnot and haven't heard a lick as to what the Mount has been doing with recruiting. I may shoot some messages to people and get the inside word, but I know this, MSJ will have guys who love to play football. Maybe not the best recruits, but guys who will show up at 6am to work out and love playing the game.

I ran 5 miles today and thinking of trying to do one of those mini marathons. I know I wouldn't win it (I'm currently at 9 min/mi), but I figure I will never be able to run a real marathon or even a half one, so what the hell. I think it'll be something fun to do. Just so long as I don't end up dying like that one guy during the Flying Pig. ANyone ever ran one and can tell me a little of what its like?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 17, 2007, 09:29:04 AM
sayer, what are you including in your playbook? i imagine you are running ball coach. cincy marshalls? deitz? is he playing for jay gruden in orlando now? same team i am assuming, i could be wrong.

and yes, run that mini marathon. great way to keep yourself motivated in your exercise adventures.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 17, 2007, 01:38:47 PM
yes....running is stupid, Adam.

its like running on the treadmill except that when you get tired, you have to get back to where you started somehow....if you have money in your pocket you can take a cab...but if not then you're screwed.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

NOT some guy from Kenya
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 17, 2007, 06:17:37 PM
You got a chuckle out of me.

And I am a run first person, what can I say, I was an O-lineman. I'll break it down when I have time. It's not perfect, but I figure if I can put one together now, tweak little by little in the coming years as I learn more (still reading info on the spread), it'll be good in the future.

How about Tony Romo and Carrie Underwear, I mean Underwood. She is smoking hott.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 18, 2007, 09:13:14 AM
Yeah...supposedly those two are friends....as Romo said last week, "its nice to be able to experience great things together"...as he was at the Country Music Awards on Wednesday night in Vegas and then back in Dallas for Cowboy Sponsor Golf Tournament on Thursday...must be quite the life..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 18, 2007, 01:20:59 PM
tony romo aint' so bad himself, i am joking. but he is handsome.

sayer, you looking to run more zone, or are you trying to stay away from it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 18, 2007, 03:45:45 PM
GAY-DAR

last post is scaring me Victory Bell
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 19, 2007, 07:04:36 AM
Zone will be the bread and butter, inside and out. This O-line clinic has been worth the $70 just in the couple hours Friday night. It was all Zone talk and  I picked up a lot from it. Especially from Mitch Browning who was doing some interesting things with pulling on the zone play (which I haven't seen but I haven't been around the block much yet either). He actually ran the outside zone like we blocked the sweep at MSJ, which I guess kind of makes sense because they are both outside plays and the HB is looking for a crease, but I never thought about zone blocking like that.

Since I base everything off 4 'I' formation plays (I also have other 'special' formations in which there is either no fullback or the fullback always lines up in the same spot) and move my fullback based on giving him a number, I end up with a plethora of single back, spread looks, and as most of us know, inside/outside zone is the B & B of the spread run game. I'm not quite to the point where I can do some of the stuff that was in those Urban Meyer notes, but like I said, I'm starting early and changing based on the more I learn.

70_DC - you know Tony Romo is a sexy B!tch...I'd date him if it meant sleeping with Carrie Underwood :)

signed,
Confused  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 20, 2007, 11:20:22 AM
If anyone wants to learn more about the inside/outside zone, Alex Gibbs is the man to see. He was awsome at the clinic. He went about a million miles an hour, but presented some very valuable information. If anyone can or wants to, the website is www.thecoolclinic.com and you can get the video from the clinic. It's worth the 40/45 dollars. Plus you can search for Alex Gibbs online and buy some of his clinic vids. Paul Alexander was good and so was Mike Munchak (NFL Hall of Famer). Munchak is good friends with Deer Park's head football coach and it was fun to shake hands with him and BS a little.

I suggest anyone who wants to coach in the future to attend this (3rd weekend in May next year). It was valuable and well worth the $70. Also, if anyone can find where Alex Gibbs or Mike Munchak is speaking, attend one of those. Great people to learn from and great speakers. Munchak is with the Tennessee Titans and Nashville's only 5 hours away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 21, 2007, 09:21:48 AM
i imagine there were some large individuals at the cool clinic. since we are strictly talking ol play, and most of those guys played ol, it wasn't a fancy pants receivers clinic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2007, 11:33:59 AM
Also, the 2007 Schedule is out.

It features road games at Hanover, Thiel, St. Vincent, Bethany (who we owe a smackdown) and Mount St. Joe.  Coming to Crestview Hills are Grove City, Waynesburg, Westminster, Geneva and W&J. 

8 game league schedule.....I guess Hanover and MSJ are the only holdovers from the HCAC.  Too bad we cant fit Franklin or Defiance on there...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 21, 2007, 01:21:14 PM
Favorable schedule.

There were some rather large individuals, but there were also guys who were there who were just coaches and some were unemployed (like myself). It really was a great time. Most of the talk was on the zone (inside and outside) and I learned a lot. I was fortunate to have an O-line coach like Coach Carpenter and to an extent Coach Venard, so I had a plethora of good knowledge, but when guys like Mike Munchak talk...you listen and write as fast as possible. Be as if you were a sponge.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 21, 2007, 02:20:57 PM
i'll have to order those tapes and check them out. i bet those things are def worth the price. from what i have heard, those clinics are unreal if you are serious about learning ol play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 21, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2007, 11:33:59 AM
Also, the 2007 Schedule is out.

It features road games at Hanover, Thiel, St. Vincent, Bethany (who we owe a smackdown) and Mount St. Joe.  Coming to Crestview Hills are Grove City, Waynesburg, Westminster, Geneva and W&J. 

8 game league schedule.....I guess Hanover and MSJ are the only holdovers from the HCAC.  Too bad we cant fit Franklin or Defiance on there...

SaintsFAN:
How are you doing?  Well, I hope.  Anyway, I understand what you mean about the scheduling.  Same situation occurs for Hope, although perhaps we could say it does for almost any D3 team now.  With basically only 2 non-conference slots, teams have to choose among a group of schools that have rivalries established with each other.  For example, Hope has some good rivalireis with Wheaton, Wabash, DePauw over the years.  However, they all can't be fit into the schedule each year.  DePauw had to opt out of their game with us this year due to Colorado College coming into their league which is understandable, yet it disrupts a several year string.  On the other hand, with some rivalries that TMC has like you mention, Franklin and Defiance could be rotated in there in future years when current contracts run out and thus, alternate some teams on a 2-4 year basi.  Anyway, it does make it interesting and challenging as far as scheduling.  Also, with gas prices skyrocketing, I think that many schools will try to schedule closer away games for their non-conf.  See you on the boards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 22, 2007, 08:18:45 AM
Sayer Please shoot me your play book.  I should've talked to you about some o-line drills and tech.

I myself started running distance about twice a week doing two miles when ever i can.  But anthing over that my body just doesn't do no matter what my mnd tells it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 22, 2007, 10:03:28 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA

wow, i am speechless. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 22, 2007, 10:40:10 AM
Bank of Kentucky Field...

Crestview Hills, KY--Thomas More College and The Bank of Kentucky announced today a naming rights agreement for the new athletic field on campus.  The Bank of Kentucky committed $1 million to the project, which will be named The Bank of Kentucky Field. This leadership gift kicks off the fundraising campaign for phase one of the Thomas More College Athletic Complex Project, which is estimated to cost $1.5 to $2 million.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 22, 2007, 03:34:17 PM
I'll tell ya what, give me your email (I may already have it) but give it to me JIC and I'll give you whats complete.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2007, 05:12:34 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 22, 2007, 10:40:10 AM
Bank of Kentucky Field...

Crestview Hills, KY--Thomas More College and The Bank of Kentucky announced today a naming rights agreement for the new athletic field on campus.  The Bank of Kentucky committed $1 million to the project, which will be named The Bank of Kentucky Field. This leadership gift kicks off the fundraising campaign for phase one of the Thomas More College Athletic Complex Project, which is estimated to cost $1.5 to $2 million.

My apologies to you HCAC guys as I should probably post this reply to SaintsFAN over on TMC's board.  However, since the discussion on this topic originated here and SaintsFAN's latest as noted above is posted here, I'll post this, so please forgive me this one time :)

SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you and glad you are doing well.  Great news about the TMC/Bank of Kentucky arrangement.  One question though:  I thought your alma mater recently completed the new stadium - so does this new Athletic Complex include even newer renovations/additions i.e. like a Phase II to the football stadium or rather is it basically the other sports complex for basketball arean, vollyball, swimming pool, athletic training, dance studios, athletic administration and coaches offices, etc., etc.?  Just curious.  Regardless, it should be a great new addition and upgrade to the campus.  Seems like almost all the D3 colleges and universities are upgrading tremendously to their physical facilities whether athletic and/or academic, but then again, that is just part of the competition to "keep up with the times" and offer the great facilities to prospective students in making their choices.

We are doing well, but much news in the cycle of life here as with anyone - I will send you a personal email message here to update you on life here.  Thank again to you HCAC guys for your tolerance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 22, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
Boy do those NFL guys make themselves real intellectual or what.  Kind of makes you wonder what Clinton Portis is hiding behind his closed doors.

Can't blame Portis for sticking bihind the good o'l boy skystme and sticking up for his fellow professional athlete, but the law is the law and you can't break it.  While ignorance is no excuss either.

Vick doesn't seem like the stand citizen to model after either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 22, 2007, 05:53:19 PM
I don't care what TMC does also long as they get that dam field turf in.  That field sucked.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 22, 2007, 06:57:08 PM
Macke...check your email
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 23, 2007, 08:10:59 AM
formerd3db,

The improvements you speak of were done in time for the 1999 season so football could be played on campus.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention that if a certain teammate's father hadnt ran with the project, my class would have never taken the field on campus.  It was a modest facility, and he was working to make it even better until his sudden passing.  So the field has sat until now...

They are installing turf, a track, permanent bleachers with lockerrooms underneath etc....should be nice. 

It also appears we have a new logo...

Do update me with that personal email. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 23, 2007, 08:36:21 PM
someone had some good smack on Jim Rome today saying "Portis is dead on, dont mess with my privacy of what i do in my own house - signed Orenthal James Simpson"

Wasnt DC supposed to play in Germany this spring?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 24, 2007, 10:01:30 AM
Got it Adam

Thanks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 24, 2007, 04:21:42 PM
does anybody remember the oj episode on saturday night live when he was using the teleprompter? he was explaining a pass route that ended up spelling "I did It." it was quite hilarious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 24, 2007, 11:40:50 PM
That's where he must have gotten the idea for his book. The only time Orenthal is in the news anymore is when someone kicks him out of their restaraunt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 25, 2007, 10:35:12 AM
i like when jim rome called him stabber for about 5 years, that was classic.

question: if you were to design a playbook, how many run plays would/could you have effectively? if you didn't use zone, could you use more run plays with different man schemes? if you use zone, does that limit what you can use? thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2007, 01:17:36 PM
Honestly it depends on who you ask. Alex Gibbs (Denvers former O-line coach) and who most people consider the 'father' of the modern day zone, believes zone is ALL you run and nothing else. Depending on how the defense lines up, it's inside or outside. When the guy (forgive me for forgeting his name) from Minn. talked, he said he ran zone (inside or outside) about 50-64% of the run plays.

If you do believe in the zone concept (as I do), I think zone needs to be at least 50% of your run plays because a lot of time is needed to work on the blocking scheme and rules. Treating zone as another run play won't allow you enough time to cover all of them. Blocking Iso, Power, etc. is more blocking structure and not as much time is needed to cover the blocking rules (just my opinion). I also believe that you should run other run plays, if for anything else, you set up your play action passing game. Keep it basic...Power, Sweep, Trap, Iso, Option, Counter, and maybe throw in a reverse or shovel (I love the shovel...some will say shuttle...WHATEVER). Any MSJ guys remember that practice when I convinced Coach Mac to run the Shovel Pass....we run it in practice and Hubie yells "Mac, it's about damn time you put that in...I love that play." I do believe you need some misdirection.

As Coach Hill would say...KISS!  Gotta go. I'm in Tenn for my sisters graduation and my real dad (former bodybuilder) made me lunch...mix of oats, egg whites, and raisins and filtered water...all mixed together...felt like I was on Fear Factor. Gross!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 25, 2007, 02:19:34 PM
When you guys are talking zone are you including stretch?

Think the Augustana veer stuff from a wing formation has a lot of zone principle to it.

Have seen and played two zones, the stretch and the multiple west coast.

Two principles in the zone stretch were tackles trying to hook the end and pulling a tackle across bunch.

Am always a fan of Lombardi sweeps with two guards and a fullback thrown in for good measure, but the pass game gets rudimentary with an out and curl.  Still have bucktrap and bucksweep as well to handle pinches and flexes.

The multiple west coast, with the fullback offset like Barnette's Northwestern offense is money for pin and fold technique whether the zone is inside or outside.

Am a big fan of rocket and jet sweep from the aforementioned stretch principle, otherwise those rocket and jet sweeps are Sally in my lexicon with the playside linemen trying to influence by veer releasing.

With the inside stuff, the play is called the same, and the down, trap and power actions are audibled by the linemen rather than in the huddle.  Tough to install and puts the onus on the line to know the depths of handoffs and ride paths.  Can be done, but the line has to do their homework.  Reasons for high Wunderlik scores by offensive linemen.

As an addendum, the Quarterback can override lineplay call at the line with directional run audibles and a center directional call.  At this point the center has a Mawae pull or not pull execution choice as well as a passoff down the line.

Guess to answer the question Victory, there are 8 called running plays, albeit with more than three potential ball carriers.  Direct run to A,B and C and misdirection to A and C.

The playbook unfolds with the lines understanding of counter steps, jab steps and direct paths of the ball carrier.

While the plays to be called from the sideline are few, the plays to be practiced are many.  As the line gets an understanding of the plays called in practice, they evolve what they can do within the context of the game.  And for those coaches that demand utmost control, the plays called in practice are still available come gametime.

This method might not be so great for coaches trying to control passing windows, but much of that can be alleviated with pistol and shotgun, though sacrificing some of the wizardry that occurs with the quarterback turning his back to the defense and necessarily hiding the ball.  The caveat, and Sayer surely likes this stuff, is the rocket opening up much more shovel or shuttle game as both direct and misdirect.

signed,
Darryl Royal's Wishbone Salad Dressing
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2007, 05:54:25 PM
Yes, stretch would be included.

One key point that Gibbs talked about, which I though interesting was the final step in zone blocking for his O-linemen. By the third step, the o-line was working to the 2nd level. If there was a zone combo block, the person who was staying on the d-lineman and the person moving to the LB level were determined by the third step. This coincided with the HB's steps. By the 2nd step, the HB was to have made his read (outside-in, inside-out based on if the play was in/out zone) and by his third step he committed and was running upfield. This means that the O-line and HB were running upfield at the same moment. A) this limited confusion by the HB on where to run, B) the HB knew where his blockers would be, C) when your running downhill in a hurry, there are not many negative plays, and D) the HB has fewer fumbles. He gets the ball at the 1.5 step and his decision is made by the 2nd step. No dancing...get the ball and run. The QB steps, HB steps, and aiming points don't change. It's repeated over and over again. Now his O-line had different rules for different situations and based on some word (force, Ace, whatever) there were different rules because the FB was involved.

The guy from Minnasota had some great points, but the one thing I disagreed with was the fact, he said the line never had to communicate. In my opinion thats BS. I don't know everything and I sure don't know more than this guy, but in my slightly less than expert opinion, an O-line needs to communicate, talk, tell the man next to you the play if it means everyone is on the same page. A silent offensive line is a dead offensive line.

Personally (I failed to completely answer the question earlier...I appologize) I think you can get away (if you're a zone believer like myself) with 5 run plays. In/Out Zone, Power, Sweep, Counter, and a play for the fullback (FB Dive, Trap, etc.). If you want to throw in a reverse or read the playside DE with the QB on zone to add some misdirection that's fine too. Just keep it simple.

It's my belief that an offense needs 4 things to be successful:
1. A set of 4-5 run plays that can be ran against any front and can be ran perfectly. If you get beat, it's not because of a missed assignment or improper tech.
2. Varying formations which can support the 4-5 run plays. The system I am using to set a formation requires very little memorization, but gives you a plethora of different sets.
3. Play action passes that can be ran from every run play you run.

Notice, I didn't list a vertyical passing game. If you run the ball successfully, can complete a high percentage of short, play action passes, you will be more likely to sustain drives and drive LB's nuts. Force the defense to play tight and defend the short stuff...then the long stuff can/should be like backyard football. You may be stopped every now and then, but if you connect on 40-50% of your third downs, you'll be successful. This idea also relies on the defense to work (ala Ohio State in 2002). I think you need a verticle game, but being successful on verticle passing routes is a direct relation to being able to gain 4-6 yards on run/playaction pass routes.

Again...all this is my opinion. I don't claim to know everything. Guys like the ones at the clinic know more than I can ever hope to, but I'm just here to help.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 25, 2007, 10:36:28 PM
i am glad you guys have brought up the third step on outside zone. the coach at rutgers has preached the third step as well. i have heard some coaches say "on the fifth step you should know if you can overtake the block." sorry, 5 steps is way too long.

also, i have been looking for info (schemes, clinic talks, tapes, etc) on gibbs and the ol coach at wisconsin. i have come up empty thus far. any advice?

sayer, you sound like you know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. the biggest problems i have come into in offensive theory is this:

a.) passing formations and schemes have nothing to do with the run game (ala, pro-I run game, shotgun wide pass game).
b.) passing game is different and confusing fromt the variety of formations you run the ball out of. for instance, the classic post, dig, drag play is run the same from every formation. this puts the tight end on the drag, or the slot, of the backside slot, or whoever the second receiver in is. it's a great way to confuse otherwise talented players.
c.) going gang busters in terms of run game razzle dazzle, but a boring and non-effective passing game. i mean running triple option, midline, every form of trap (veer/influence/gut/long trap), power, iso, wrap series, inside but no outside zone, speed option, counter trap (but using the guard and tight end to trap in a 50 and tackle and center vs a 40) and the shovel pass. passing includes hitches, crossing routes, and 4 verticals with no screens (head coach didn't like throwing behind the los), no draws (head coach didn't like passive running plays), and the only play action was a counter boot with the fb in the flat and no te crosser (head coach just wanted to hit the fb and not confuse the qb. all other receivers just ran off).
d.) running the option with a qb who can't decide, practicing the trap all week and then calling inside zone 20 times in the game, running inside zone all year with no outside zone. it's ok, the next year they went all outside zone with no inside zone to counter it out.
e.) not demanding the same from the skills and the linemen. "you can't yell at skills, they get their feelings hurt and won't perform." i don't think you should ever let a skill hold you hostage because you don't want to hurt his feelings. not that we are trying to hurt feelings, sayer knows what i am talking about.

i apologize for this rambling tirade, i have experienced things that will forever change how i let somebody dictate the play selection. if it were up to me, i would hammer the two zones ( i have 2 great inside compliments that make iz even better) with some form of power or counter trey (depending on the week). i believe it is far easier to run the zones and get good at them, and for laughs run the ctr trey, power, iso, one back power, sprint draws on a week to week basis with their compliment play actions to keep the defense off-balance. sayer, i would be curious to see what you are working on over there.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 25, 2007, 10:39:44 PM
oh, i forgot about this one. running plays the wrong way and then stating that that's how you want to see it because you don't like it the other way with no further explanation. that sort of pissing match really helps nobody and just shows your ignorance. if you want to run a play somebody else does, just copy it and run it that way. don't change it because you think you are smarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 25, 2007, 10:48:30 PM
i was never big on communication on the line during run plays.  the only time i would talk on the line (other than Smack) was to call out a blitz on a pass or to screw with the D-line thinking i was calling somehting out.  that assumes you gel as a line.  if you have time togheter you should not have to talk, all you are doing is validating at that point and i never liked doing it because no matter how much you tried to disguise it i always felt i was giving something up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2007, 11:56:34 PM
I disagree only because of the mentality set forth for me in HS. We were told by our coach that he didn't care if the defense knew the play. He felt that if we were all on the same page and everyone knew their assigment, the defense could know the play and count and still not stop us.  If it took me to say to the guy next to me "We're running trap, you're blocking down on the LB" that's what I did. That's where I also started to develop my theory that there is no such thing as a bad play call, just poor execution. In HS we were expected to run the ball against 8-9 man fronts. Why? We didn't exactly have a QB and playing in our league, everyone ran the ball. It became a pride thing for me and other o-linemn. We carried the mentality that you bring whoever you want, we will still kick your a$$ up and down the field. That didn't always happen. Even in college, Coach Mac told Hamrock to audible whenever he saw certain fronts (8 man, bear, 70, etc.) Finally we simply told him, "Hey, we can block this" and we would call out our blocking. We blocked our sweeps on the run, changed blocking schemes at the line, and were clear about where we were going. Hell, I think Tepee announced one game, "I'm kicking 54's a$$." Again, it was a pride thing. We felt that we were better and the defense could know but wouldn't stop it. I realize life and football doesn't always work that way, but I would rather have my kids get beat because the other guy is stronger, faster, etc. than get beat because of a lack of attitude, technique, or knowledge.

The only explaination I can offer to you VBell is you work on a game plan based on what you've seen the last 2 weeks usually and what happend last year. If you're a Wing T team and are getting films of your opponent against spread and other looks, you have a limited amount of knowledge to base a game plan on. You may start the week of practice by running a lot of power, sweep, counter because that worked great the year before, but once the game starts, it's open on how they will play you. If they run the same BS as the year before, then you'll still run a lot of power. If they change, then you may run zone a lot even though you didn't necessarily practice it. Game plans are a living document like the US constitution. They can be amended, changed, things can be thrown out, etc. Nothing's set in stone. FCC can verify he pist us off once or twice throwing the ball so much inside the 5 yard line. Why? we had a 6'4" WR who caught everything and could jump. Why not. I can finally admit that I am a fan of the fade on the gaol line now...if you have a 6'4" Wr, sticky-good hands, great leap (I tried to rip off the Peyton Manning commercial).

And people run the spread to run the ball. Force players to make plays in space and the spread helps to ID blitzes (from an o-lineman's standpoint). Even in a 5-wide set, the defense needs to account for the Qb who can run depending on where the pocket goes. Every team runs playaction and many times those are the primary pass plays from something such as 0-Deuce Right, 21 personel, I-Right, etc. typical run formations. If you have a valuable TE who can catch...that's even better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 26, 2007, 12:04:59 AM
I'll quote some of the best advice I've ever heard and I've heard it often. Take what you believe in and stick with it. Don't be a jack of all trades. If you're a believer in the run game. PTR and PTR often. If you believe in a spread offense, run the spread. Once you know what you want to run, amend it little by little. If you read an idea from Urban Meyer's notes, steal it and add it into yours. If you see a clinic that shows a way to block the zone which you like better than what you previously did. Change what you did. Amend as you go, but walk the line when it comes to your beliefs and theories. Don't stray. If you do, you will find yourslef at a point where your mind's all scrambled and you don't know what to believe in. As far as me....I think everyone knows what they'll get if I ever get a chance to run an offense:

PTR

http://www.gilmangear.com/store/catalog/inside-zone-p-173.html - that's a link to where you can buy Alex Gibb's videos. He has 2. Inside zone and outside zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on May 26, 2007, 12:15:34 AM
Run it between the 20's and throw it in when they man up.

You just exposed my entire philosophy Sayer.

I though only Mike Dane and Bill Venard knew it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 26, 2007, 08:43:15 AM
I'm sorry  :'(

I have wondered though: Are WR given 2 routes in the huddle or do they have the freedom to choose which route to run on the goal line? If the Db has outside leverage, a quick slant is the route of least resistance. If the DB has inside leverage, a fade is the route of least resistance. If the DB is manned up, I guess you'd have to guess as to what the LB's will be doing but regardless, are these options available at the WR's disposal to use based on judgement or are they called?

Signed,
Hustle and Flow like Water
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 26, 2007, 10:43:30 AM
sayer, thanks for the info. i just ordered the alex gibbs tapes.

are the outside zone tapes the "west virginia outside zone?" i read an article where the old OL coach at WVU saw what he did, and just stole everybit of it. he liked it and it worked.

i need howard mudd film. that man is very intelligent and has always been a quiet leader in rushing yards and less sacks in the nfl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 26, 2007, 11:56:47 AM
I was always just used to everyone knowing the play and audible becuase all the lines i always played on we always were together for years so we all thought the same way.  nothing better than telling the d-line what the play is becuase you are just kicking their tails soo bad to have to tell them what the play is presnap just to make it fair.  the biggest butt kicking ever laid on a d-line was in one of my highschool games where we ran the exact same play 44 dbl Iso 7 plays in a row in a 7 play 80yd TD drive. pre snap we told them the play every time, nothing more demoralizing than that.

talk about 8-9 man fronts. i never learned to pass block till college.  we were dbl tight and ran the triple option and iso out of the Wishbone.  when we did bring a WR into the game it was the Chineese Terror James Lee who was 5'1" slow asian kid. we attempted 10 passes my senior year and 7 of them were halfback passes 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 26, 2007, 01:07:02 PM
Howard Mudd has had the luxury of Peyton Manning's connections with regards to offensive linemen.  Is it Mudd teaching the guys so much or is it the fact Manning has the best money can buy when it comes to offensive linemen?

Tarik Glenn is easily one of the four best left tackles in the history of the game, unless you count Derrick Deese.

This has been a point of contention with regard to offensive line communication, and yes the communication may be extra sensory as well as academic and audible.  If you have a left handed quarterback, ala Derrick Deese playing tackle to the front rather than blind side and being a mere 6 foot tall, then the lettering system for the 8 plays changes. 

Praising Glenn not to mention Saturday, who very well could be the second coming of Mike Webster, speaks to the blueprint. 

In actuality, the direct plays of my circumscribed 8 are A, B and C while the misdirection plays are A and C to quarterback handedness and A and B to quarterback offhandedness. 

The whole thing gets thrown in the wash when misdirection is differentiated from inidrect as well as direct, but thats for the Box system, whether it be wishbone or T.  In the alternative, if Curly is benched in favor of Byron, then just determine the handedness of the formation as opposed to the man taking the snap.

Still, any offense is subscribing offensive linemen by prescription.  The Mudd lines are built and designed for the stretch and a quarterback with a good waggle step.  Waggle step not as the wing T term, but the bent 7 step drop of the professionals.

The Colts get dropped in the playoffs without changing their modus operandi.  Mudd's zone was extant in the playoffs.  Saw more runs differentiated as power and offtackle. 

As an addendum, anybody ever played in a 90 series pass pro   with the guards gutting to edge rush and backs filling flank to the center.  That Mudd Line about got Manning killed on the first SB TD trying that protection.  Subscription by prescription.  Still have to dance with the gurl ewe brung.  But this 90 pro was an answer to the 50 and 30 fronts before everybody copied Jimmy Johnson's 40's.  Tell me again, what fronts were beating the Colts the last few years?

The two systems discussed here, 90 guts and stretch waggles have opposing premiums: not giving any quarter versus fleet footedness in line play and vice versa in front seven back play.

Funny enough, while the oneback that Mudd has been employing was invented at Franklin College, the Colts employ very little trap.  It is my understanding the first evolution of the one back run game was popcorn trap up the middle and wagontrain passoffs in the sweep game.  This was the seed thought for my transformer line calls.  Hardly any stretch in this lexicon, but for those finely tuned to Sally, single wing twisting gets very nasty pairing reverse and end around game as integrated in the O.G.  (overgold for those in the know) oneback.

There is discussion to be had with regards to terms of waggle step professional versus wing t Waggle, foot size of the quarterback as tending to loft and four over laces as opposed to index over point when choosing to either blast or trap in the interior run game.

Not just anybody can coach talent, but then again...

What have you done for me lately?

signed,
Inspector Clouseau
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 26, 2007, 02:11:19 PM
Against Wilmington, my junior year, we ran zone right/zone left in a similar situation against 2 DT's that were given All American and All Region credit. It was along the lines of a 10-12 play drive.

Still, our best drive was against Reading HS (home of DeShawn Wynn) my junior year. We got the ball to start the game, went 82 yards in 20 plays and scored on the first play of the 2nd quarter. I don't normally take good pictures, I'm an ugly sumbitch, but in our yearbook that year, there is a pic of me flatbacking a kid from Reading as our fullback ran by. Good times. I love those long drives. Kind of like a drive through the country.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 26, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
i believe that howard mudd was running the one back zone in cleveland during the mid '80s. of course, he had byner and mack, but he did well with injuries and adapting the same plays to the no namers. i also remember them going 4 wide a lot with a draw/trap to mix it up. i still don't understand why they did that, but it was nasty. mudd may be a romanticist of sorts, using the old 90 protections to prove they still work and that you don't have to slide everything. it takes a bit more technique to pass pro man and have the guards check for blitz. mudd does have some talented guys to work with (glenn, saturday, diem, MANNING), but many regard him as one of the best in the business.

funny that you bring up popcorn trap. i think many high schools in indiana used faught's system for many years (many still do!). of course, this made it's way to the high flying offense that leonard used at hanover and the modern day spread. i think it's sort of comical how the run n shoot led to the spread, and now the modern day spread is going back to it's run n shoot roots (urban myer, nevada, bowling green, etc).

we had a drive start on our 1 or 2 yardline. defense brought an all-out blitz. we went split backs, 4 go long with the backside receiver running an under. hit him for a 30something yards gain. ran te screen next followed up with the sweep reverse pass inside the red zone. then we ran iso until teeth bled for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 26, 2007, 06:52:43 PM
Only saw one oneback team while playing high school ball in Indiana, Scecina.  When they weren't going up top with a tight-end-esque quarterback one year, they were going around the corner or into any open rush lane with the fastest athlete at quarterback, using the back primarily to keep'em honest and as an extra blocker. 

The rest of the high school teams faced were pretty pure I formation.  Could at one time say played 4 of the state's top five career rushers, save Brett Law.

Victory, in orthodoxy what distinguishes run and shoot from spread?

signed,
Leroy Hoard
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on May 26, 2007, 09:48:34 PM
ALWAYS run a set route on the goal line and DB's will always have inside leverage.  Slant, Fade, Stop, and Whip (if you're good at it).  Slant is best but only works because you can actually complete a Fade.  WR should be 7 yards from the sideline every split so he doesn't give anything away.  No Speed Outs, Hitches, or Curls.

From the slot run Corner/Slant, Whip/Fade, and Burst/Slant combos.  Burst is my inside slant that is really a clear out for the outside Slant but hits occassionally and should be peeked at by the QB if the matchup looks good.  No Bubble.

..........................or run the G.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 26, 2007, 11:56:24 PM
i don't believe there is anything different from the shoot and the spread. some believe you get better play actions and can play with the defense while the qb is under center, but that is neither here nor there. the point i was trying to make was that the shoot turned into the spread, and the spread has molded into a hybrid of them both. you can run shoot concepts from any offensive set, you don't have to be married to the 2 x 2 or trips sets. you can do the same things with a te and fb. it's all about getting a 3 receiver pattern in some form of easy 1-2-3 read for the qb. granted, a lot of the shoot routes are deeper, but they do offer a good mix of medium and short range passes.

the thing i would love to get my hands on are some of the dan marino offenses he used in shotgun with the fish, and the buffalo version of the spread. both were highly effective.

*on a side note, i believe the state champs the past few years in the hoosier state have used the faught shoot (1A, 2A, lower divisions) while the upper divisions have used the shoot formation with a heavy dose of midline and veer.

on a side note, franklin's defense has been tougher in conference the last few years due to the offensive philosophy change. mixing it up with different personelle groups does help the defense prepare for just about everything. they have been much tougher on defense and i believe this is a huge part of it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2007, 03:05:28 AM
I loved our hand signal for 'G!' Gotta touch the spot :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2007, 12:12:56 PM
Watch this...inspirational. The guy training him is a Deer Park Grad.

http://www.cincyfit.com/wrestling.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 27, 2007, 10:49:57 PM
that is absoutly crazy WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 28, 2007, 02:34:13 PM
wow is right
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 29, 2007, 12:01:33 PM
Speaking of telling the other team whats coming....

in 1997 we play at Bluffton with 14 players suspended the day before the game...
the first half consisted of Thomas More cramming the ball down the throats of the Beaver defense....we didn't throw a pass in the first half...not a single one.  This was Will Castleberry's breakout game....as a freshman, he ran for 321 yards...we had another guy get 160 yards and I threw for like 50 on 4 attempts. 

Anyways, in the 3rd Quarter.....my TE gets my attention as we are flipping the playside at the line....he's telling the Bluffton guys where the ball is going and who is getting it...laughing his a$$ off.....as I hear it, I started laughing during my cadence and got a false start....he continued for another 10 plays or so....

The Bluffton Coach didn't even realize we had so many players suspended (including the starting QB) until after halftime....they sat back in a base 4-3....I mean how do you NOT know the school record holding QB (#12) is not in the game and a taller guy (#8) is.....that was Carpenter at the end of his run...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 30, 2007, 12:27:14 PM
do you guys like the spring games or summer games that some D3 teams play in? too much to coordinate for coaches, or a truly great experience that can help your team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 31, 2007, 12:16:27 AM
good question, I actually wonder how much the coaches actually have to get it all together.

I can only positives from these games in getting more playing time and experiences.  Younger players getting to fight for plahying time and show case there stuff.  And coaches get a chance to see what they have to work with.

The only bad thing is a guy might have to miss a class or two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 31, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
The only bad thing is that it could been as an unfair advantage because other schools can't take advantage of it and it's benifits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 31, 2007, 10:16:40 AM
If Texas Lutheran can go to Mexico and Thiel can go to Canada and take advantage, I'm sure that a HCAC school can go to Canada as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 31, 2007, 08:37:49 PM
i agree, but how many schools have the financial resources to do this? most school's have the money earmarked well in advance of an event like this. that is why i asked how much of a logistical nightmare it would be for coaches to fund raise and organize. coaches coach, many of them are out of their element in terms of fundraising.

and yes, i think the football aspect of it would be outstanding for everybody. even better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe. heck, make a 2 year agreement and play one home and away. good way to get in more real practice, and everybody gets better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 31, 2007, 10:51:03 PM
victorybell:

I myself was part of two trips to Europe with the Adrian College Football team.  I did one as a player to Spain which was a great trip to a great country.  I know for this trip Adrian did a large amount of fundraising to defray some of the cost to the students.  They began planning for this about two years in advance and doing the fundraising for the duration.  It was able to drop the cost of the trip which at the time as around 2000.00 down to right around 1000.00.  For the second trip, I went as a coach and went for free, needless to say a much better deal.  We went to Ireland the second time and also did fundraising.  Of course with current events which had taken place and heightened security not to mention the dollars decline to the euro the trip was more expensive.  Despite more fundraising I believe the players paid in the 1500.00 range which is still not bad.  It is a great experience but one that the students pay for out of pocket and through fundraising.  I would imagine the only cost to the school would be insurance as I know that at least through the company we went with that for X amount of players X amount of coaches went free.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 01, 2007, 12:44:53 PM
were there issues that some players couldn't go to not being able to afford it? what problems did you have fundraising? what did you fundraise?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 01, 2007, 10:50:29 PM
victorybell:

Neither year did the whole team go.  It definelty came down to who could afford to lay out the 1000-1500 dollars for the trips.  We did a fundraising event with lifting for one thing to get started and also held some silent auctions.  Using connections with various pro teams as well as the University of Michigan we were able to get alot of good donations to auction off which greatly helped the effort.  For the first trip I was not involved with fundraising short of the lifting, but for the second I had a smaller role in terms of managing some of the auctions.  Needless to say you dont need a full team to beat the europeans, they are not near the level of Division III football yet.  We played two games in spain beating a spanish team 26-0 and a French team by a similar score, I dont recall exactly.  We played on a hand lined field(lined with chalk none the less) in Spain.  the second trip was to Ireland and we won that game against a team of Irish All Stars 53-0 a great experience and wonderful setting hower, I strongly encourage any player who can afford it to make the trip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on June 02, 2007, 06:17:35 AM
Quoteeven better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe.

has that ever seriously been discussed at the DIII level? is there a chance something like that could ever happen?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 02, 2007, 02:11:13 PM
I know at MSJ, there would have been a lot of folks who wouldn't have had the money to go, myself included. Honestly, I'd rather have the same opportunity here in the states where I can practice with the same group of guys I'm going to be playing with. Not a back up guard, 3rd string center, starting tackle, etc.

Create an opportunity where your likely starters and backups who will see significant playing time can play together. You'll build more team chemistry that way. Those trips are fun, I'm sure, but does it really do THAT much for your team when you're playing with guys who will never see the field at the same time?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 03, 2007, 01:39:00 AM
Adam Sayer:

The practices that we ran at Adrian were not geared towards getting the players who were going overseas to play ready.  In fact they were geard to give our returning players and possible starters for the next season real practice experience.  We were not playing third strong guards in practice and to be honest the practices in Europe were not much.  I can distinctly remember being told by our OC at our first practice in spain that it "smelled like a god damn brewery" in the huddle. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 03, 2007, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 03, 2007, 01:39:00 AM
I can distinctly remember being told by our OC at our first practice in spain that it "smelled like a god damn brewery" in the huddle. 

Ahh spring ball nothing smells better/worse at 6:30am...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 03, 2007, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on June 02, 2007, 06:17:35 AM
Quoteeven better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe.

has that ever seriously been discussed at the DIII level? is there a chance something like that could ever happen?


I would say there's no chance that could happen, not as described. Not even D-I plays a game against outside competition.

If Division III splits into III and IV then there's a chance the III teams might choose to allow practices in pads. But that in and of itself is a long shot. Remember the current Division III spring practice we have was not an overly popular decision. The fact that many conferences water down spring practice even further should be an indication that it isn't likely to get expanded in the current membership setup.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 03, 2007, 08:18:34 PM
i understand that the mission of D3 is to have a great experience with the players who are not on scholarship and all of that stuff. however, i think most players would really enjoy the 10 practices (i just said 10 because more than 10 could get overboard for a spring game. you could obviously have 2-3 practices in helmets or whatever. you could probably do the whole spring in pro pads) knowing they will get a chance to earn a starting spot against an outside opponent. i don't think this will ever happen, but it would be fun to see Franklin play a spring game against maybe a wooster, capital, adrian, mount union, etc. nothing too far away, and it would be a great way to drum up interest for the upcoming season. and remembering back to your playing days, 4 months straight of lifting and running can become mentally challenging. this would be a nice way to break it up. i know when franklin was naia under coach faught, they used to have spring practices. granted, under coach faught, it was more of a 7 on 7 scrimmage. the players had fun i am sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 05, 2007, 10:33:44 AM
sayer, the alex gibbs tapes have arrived. thanks for the info on that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 06, 2007, 09:06:55 AM
Sayer, wasn't MSJ supposed to toake a trip like that to Italy or something.  Because I can remmeber that a whole bunch of guys worked down at Paul Brown Stadium during Bengals game doing secruity and stuff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 06, 2007, 10:39:40 AM
Our whole team was supposed to work at the Bengals game, but about half took off the bright yellow shirt and sat in the seats...can't say I blame them :) But yeah, we were planning for a trip to Italy, but the 9/11 bombings and continued threat of a terrorist threat side tracked it.

Macke...how is the job search? I met yesterday with Lakota East's head wrestling and football coaches and Sycamore's head wrestling coach. Both have teaching positions available for me and I have an interview at Sycamore today at 1:30.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 07, 2007, 12:31:04 PM
funny stuff again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3o6H0b4kZc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 08, 2007, 02:36:12 PM
I had my 2nd interview at Sycamore this morning. The lady I met with today is a good lookin woman...but had a monster ring on her finger. Anyway, he talked a lot about how the school day works, bell schedule, after school programs, etc. Hope it's a insight to the very near future.

Macke, you gonna be at Katie's 21st?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 08, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
VBell, how are those tapes?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 09, 2007, 12:27:01 PM
the outside zone tape is the best i have seen. he is very very good at explaining whey and how they do things. i have seen the many mistakes people make with it and he is fanatical about not doing those.

the inside zone tape is good for hearing coach speak, but not so much on the inside zone. if you have any info on inside zone, that would be great. the only things i have seen on the inside zone deal with a million different calls and how the lb's are numbered and it sucks. it takes the fun away from the simple play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 09, 2007, 06:25:03 PM
Inside zone is all about aiming points for the OL blocks and running where you either have an advantage or where you have an equal number. A lot of communication and rules are required, but in Alex Gibbs' mind, you teach zone and nothing but due to all the rules and the amount of time required to implememnt everything.

On the front page of D3, there's an article about Wartburg in Germany. I had inquired last season about playing overseas in either Italy or the GFL (German Football League). I had contacted the coach for the Munich team (that's where the Hoffbrauhaus is) and we exchanged emails but it came down to Adam not really wanting to live in Germany for that extended of a time and not making a decent dollar. The same with the Italian League, Gladiatori Roma where some of the Semi-Pro guys played. I would suggest it to anyone who may want to continue playing who doesn't need a career right after college.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 10, 2007, 05:13:54 PM
The inside zone is a great scheme and can work wonders.  It is definelty key about aim points as well as it is learning and understanding your steps and placement with your zone partner.  I was the Oline coach for Adrian last season and was the assistant oline coach the previous two years.  You can keep the system quite simple, some teams choose to make it more complicated than need be.  When I was playing at Adrian we ran zone all day long along with some complimentary counters and powers, it was a very effective run game and we actually had the single season rushing leader in adrian history from my junior year.  Let me see if I can dig up some of my old notes and what not out of my storage unit and I can get some more on here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 10, 2007, 05:15:36 PM
Adam Sayer:

I take it you attended the Cool Mushroom clinic down in cincinnati?  I was there last year it was a great clinic, I only ask this because you say you are proud to be a mushroom.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 10, 2007, 10:14:30 PM
Yes I did. Wonderful clinic and I learned a lot about the zone scheme, inside and out. I'll probably attend again next year and though I didn't really have the money to go, it was the best $70 I spent. I'd like to attend a bunch more when I get a teaching job (praying for the Sycamore thing to work out).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 10, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
Just call me Adam or by my last name. It's weird for me. I'm still getting used to the kids I teach calling me Mr. Sayer.

Dig that stuff out, we need some fresh discussion material.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 11, 2007, 12:33:10 PM
Sayer:

I plan on being there unless something else I made a commitment to something else.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 11, 2007, 01:27:45 PM
the one theory i have heard on zone is that you need some big boys up front. the other theory i have heard is that you can have smaller guys due to the double teams. two guys tha tweigh 250=500 and can move a 2 technique.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 11, 2007, 04:48:11 PM
When I was a player at Adrian we had great success with some big guys that could move, our lightest OL was about 255,other than that we were 300, 290, 295 and about 280.  The key I think with the big guys is if they can move, that is the key in zone schemes, you cant have a 320 pounder that is not agile.  When you can combine the two, you will see great results.  We have also had some success with smaller lineman once I began coaching, we had an OL then with two interior players who were both about 250, but very short, both about 5'9.  Obviously playing a man scheme with lineman like that would have exposed them when we asked them to block a one technique or a shade, but by using the zone and the covered uncovered concept we were able to take care of most problems.  Again, I need to get into my storage unit, I forgot to pay the bill on time so there is a seperate lock on it and I will get my notes and scheme concepts out. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 11, 2007, 05:20:48 PM
Our O-line at MSJ my senior year:
LT - 6'4" - 285
LG - 6'2" - 260
C - 6'0" - 240
RG - 5'11" - 275 (this would be me)
RT - 6'4" - 245

Against Franklin our LG was injured (broken collar bone) and we moved our center to LG and brought in our back up center who was 5'11" 190. I injured my ankle during the 2nd quarter and the guard who came in for me was 5'10" 215. We were never big. During the 4 years I was at MSJ our heaviest starting O-lineman was never over 285 pounds.

That year we finished with just under 2,000 yards rushing and our primary run was the zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 11, 2007, 05:35:16 PM
The afformentioned 295 was me.  Playing center at that big and actually being faster and quicker as well as stronger than when I came gave us a big boost.  Obviously center is usually one of the smaller positions as it can be hidden by the two guards.  We also at Adrian were the first school in our area, or that I really remember seeing making a habit out of pulling the center.  Sounds like im tooting my horn, but from a coaching prespective, it creates great matchups and is usually unexpected as most LB's read guards.  IT also gave good options for down blocks with ones, shades and tilts(which we saw from Defiance).

Like I said though, bigger isnt always better and we had some very large lineman who were not great zone blockers.  I think the premium position for recruiting at DIII is the Oline as I know from the past three years of recruiting that it seems any of the lineman who have size and any ability get snatched up by the DII's, at least that seems to be the case in michigan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 12, 2007, 06:29:36 PM
didn't adrian run a lot of zone off some crazy motions a few years back? that michigan league has to be have a lot parody in it with high flying spread teams, and some teams that are grinders.

has anybody seen the water test where they come to your house and test all your water compared to regular water and show you how bad it is? then you can finance a water purifier that sits in your yard for 6k? i just had to make this guy leave. i don't have 6k to spend on a purifier when i have 6k in other things that i can do just as quickly. i would rather buy 6k in porno than on water. that guy on man vs. wild drinks water squeezed from elephant dung and he is ok, i think i'll be fine drinking tap water. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 12, 2007, 06:32:11 PM
yes, we ran alot of stuff off of jet motion with great success.  My senior year, we ran a 8 minute opening drive against Franklin using two plays, one the jet sweep and the other was jet motion with an izzy.  It was a great drive, we ended up fumbling so we didnt even score, but we did win 48-10 or 13 I cant remember.  I have my old jet series stuff as well if theres any interest in that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 12, 2007, 08:20:15 PM

From an offensive linemen stands point, what foot work/steeps should be used to block the zone up front.  I hear everything from tacking a big reach step, 45 degree angel step and running on the train tracks, and then using a combo block.

Sayer what do you thing works best?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 12, 2007, 08:25:39 PM
Are you talking inside or outside?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 13, 2007, 01:49:22 AM
inside, RB is reading the inside check of the gaurd
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 13, 2007, 02:16:51 AM
On the inside zone the way we ran it adrian we took a very short almost gap step.  If it was a zone scheme between the center and right guard on a 1 technique it would work as follows.  Lets say we are working against a 4-3 defense and we have a tightend lined up to the formation(right).  we would have 3 double teams out of this formation working stacks to the LB's.  The stack we are concentrating on here is the 1 technique and the middle linebacker.  We preached the rule of covered uncovered in this case, the guard is covered and center is uncovered.  Our right guards first step would be with his right foot which is almost a pick it up and put it down step and at the same time our center would be stepping with the right foot as well.  We take the pick it up and put it down step to prevent being beat across our face even though the power for the block will be coming from our back step.  The second step from our right guard would be from his left foot and the aim would be to drive his knee, hips and forearm (we called it a flipper) through the 1 techniques outside shoulder.We rip through with the left arm of the guard so that we can straighten the 1 technique out and give the center a better chance to take over and drive.  Our landmarks on this play for both lineman are the outside number to the shoulder that is where the center and guard are both aiming.  We rip through with the left arm of the guard so that we can straighten the 1 technique out and give the center a better chance to take over and drive.  At this point the center has also stepped in the same manner(no forearm rip) and is now working half the body of the 1 technique.  At this point the key to the block is keeping hip to hip and butt to butt, not allowing a seam for the tackle to split the double team.  We then have both lineman keep their eyes focused on the LB and the RB is responsible for setting up the block on the second level.  If the LB flows to the offenses right, the right guard scrapes off and the center takes the block over and vis versa.  I hope that offers some insight and makes sesne, its the first time I have type it out on a forum to explain.  Sayer and all others, let me know if you can offer any critique on this. 

The other two combos consist of the same blocking scheme and steps between our TE and RT working from the RE to the ROLB and the LG and LT working their stack from the 3 technique  to the backside LB.  Our QB was responsible for holding the DE as he had the option of if the DE closed down the line hard to keep the ball on an option and run around the end which was a suprisingly effective way of eliminating the end by making him respect the QB run as a possiblity, we also saw some long runs out of QB's that werent exactly fleet a foot.  The aim of the zone for us was to press the cheek of the right guard so that we could develop a cut back line where we would have everyone covered, it worked for us quite well even when we didnt have the best lineman.  Like I said let me know if this makes sense and im interested to hear how other teams run it as well. 

As a further note for the above scheme the pick it up put it down step also gives us the ability to adjust to movement from the front 4.  If we were to take an aggresive 45 degree step our right guard would find himself out of position on a twist or games between the DE and DT.  By taking that pick up put down step, we have time to react so that if our landmark(number to shoulder) dissapears we proceed up through our progression and take the next man to enter our zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2007, 08:22:39 AM
You may have made a mistake IDing linemen. If your strength is right, wouldn't the LG and Center be working the 1-tech/MBL stack? You started off by explaining the blocking scheme as such but then said the RG and Center. The RG and RT would be working the 3-Tech/SLB stack in a traditional 4-3 with TE right.

That's pretty much the gist of what I would say. I'll add some later but gotta work out and run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 13, 2007, 08:45:38 AM
i have an interest in your stuff, email me at victorybell_57@yahoo.com

inside zone involves reading the first down man past the center. you generally take a track to the inside butt of the pst tackle. if there is color in the gap you cut back. if there is no color, honk it up in there. double teams and numbering lb's still escapes me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 13, 2007, 10:57:52 AM
Sayer:

You are right, I did make a mistake in labeling. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 13, 2007, 12:44:24 PM
thank you for your insight fellas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2007, 03:26:18 PM
Given the following formation, running inside zone (Right) vs a 4-3 defense:

                    W            M            S
                     E         N         T          E
                      LT   LG   C   RG   RT   Y

First on the zone, I am a supporter of a drop step. I can see why some people wouldn't, but we dropped at MSJ so I am accustomed to it and like it. If you do not want to drop step, I suggest you get your OL an extra 6-8 inches off the ball.

LT: Drop step with right foot and work at an appropriate angle to the Will. If the DE crosses the LT's face, he has to take him...otherwise, don't touch the DE. You don't need to block the DE because either a fullback is blocking him, the quarterback's after handoff motion takes him, or both.

LG: Drop step with right foot and your aiming point on the Nose is the inside of his outside number. The LG will get help from the Center but it will only be a chip. After the Center leaves, the LG needs to take over and drive block.

Center: SHORT drop step with right foot and hip back into the Nose. Work to Mike.

The RG and RT do pretty much the same thing as the LG and Center with the 3-tech and Sam, but the RT can stay on the 3-tech longer with his chip due to where the play is being ran.

To take over the block (this is how I did it) the LG should post his right hand on the inside number (where it should be when contact is initially made) and extend his right arm.  At the same time work to fight left arm across the Nose's body and use the left arm almost like a flipper.

Similar to ADAWG, we focused on blocking stacks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 13, 2007, 03:51:25 PM
are you sure you want to work the pst tackle against the zone? seems to me that you would want him stepping playside and zoning up to the sam, working with the te. rg should have that dt by himself, unless the 3t slants inside. and all of this is determined off of a shade/2technique backside. you want your center zoning to the right unless that left guard needs help. i know msj has been pretty good at running zone, so i won't argue. i'm just saying from my experience i've seen it more often with the way i have explained.

drops steps are good, if you can do them. it all goes back to what your guys can do. if not, then yes. i agree to get them off the ball.

one zone change-up i like a lot, is when you solid the bst on the de, and zone everybody else to the te. then your fb and tackle exchange responsibilities. fb blocks will, left guard to te zone right. rb gets handoff deep, takes two steps to the right, and cuts back off the flow now. great way to play with the lb's.

i like the zone a lot, i do. i also love running power schemes off of the zone/iso/counter action. most people call it one back power. you can run it vs the 3t side. Y always has de and blocks him out. double off the 3t to mike. block center back, pull left guard around for same. great pop for a one back team, or just getting a fb the ball, or getting the fb out of the picture. in gun you would probably have the back use a counter path in the backfield.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
The nice thing at MSJ was majority of us were free to make that call. We were shown the way I explained above, but there were many times (I being a RG) that I told my RT not to worry about chipping. 

Don't confuse me with combo blocking. Chipping as I am explaining is not much more than help by positioning. The Center in this case hips back into the Nose to slow his momentum because penetration by him will cause some problems. Once contact is made between the Center and Nose, the Center moves on to the Mike. The Center doesn't stay with the LG for the whole block.

As far as the RG and RT, the 'longer' chip is merely an extra step by the tackle and is meant to slow the 3 tech's momentum and help the RG get a little extra push. It's a little more power at the point of attack. Again, the RT won't stay with the RG for the whole block. The Chips are split second and then you're off to the 2nd level.

At the Clinic Rutgers' O-line coach explained that his guys 'chip'. They showed it a little differently as far as footwork goes, but they did use it.

And I think this worked well for us because we were undersized, but rather quick for an O-line. The chip helped some of our smaller guys get movement and our speed allowed us to take that extra step and still get up to the LB's. Remember, our center my senior year was only 240. We played against some 280, 290+ pound Noses and DT's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 14, 2007, 10:46:26 AM
i get what you are saying. i just don't know why you would have the right tackle work with the guard if the sam is over the tackle or te area the way your drawing says. if he stacked, then yes, but he wasn't stacked there. like i said, you guys were good at running zone and i am not arguing how you guys did it.
you guys led the hcac in rushing a few times if i am correct, and had some good rb's. if you guys had a qb with some juice in his arm, you guys probably would have done some damage in the playoffs, from an outsider's perspective.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
What your explaining would work too. Like I said, we had the option of making that call and there were many times where Tepee (our RT) would zone stright to the Sam. I was good enough to take the 3 tech and Tepee was good enough to do whatever he wanted. Use what your guys can do. If your RG is struggling with the 3 tech or is a little undersized, chipping is a good option to help him out. If he's a pretty good OL and genuinely doesn't have trouble, don't. But as aiming points go, the LG is looking for the inside of the outside number and the RG is aiming for the outisde of the inside number. The RG does have an easier drive block because where the play hits, the DT fighting back inside to make the play will set himself up to be driven.

When Bresnahan spoke about Thruman Thomas running the ball, he simply said he didn't want to see a defender. It didn't necessarily matter where the OL was positioned on the defenders, as long as there was a body on a body.

Something that I am considering experimenting with, once I get a chance, is crab or scramble blocking  on the outside zone. There's nothing defenders hate more than someone always on their knees. I should know. I cut anytime I could and sometimes when I shouldn't have.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2007, 11:33:56 AM
I do not like to block the bsDE though. I think it's necessary for play action that the fullback takes him or you freeze him by booting the QB backside (which I would do every zone run even if you have single back sets). It also sets up the QB taking the ball himself. If that bsDE starts crashing, simply giving the QB a code word such as 'Snoopy' tells him to fake the zone and boot out and run it backside. Works great.

Don't know if any of you are golf fans, but so far in the first day, there have been some great shots at the US Open and Tiger is struggling...currently hitting the ball from the beach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 14, 2007, 11:39:48 AM
v-bell: thats a nice perspective to have
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 14, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
For my high school guys, especially since we see a lot of 50 fronts, is having the guys combo to the lb's and really get the D-line men moving backwards and getting into the LB's way.

Sayer, crab blocking is very effiencent when you have D-Linemen who don't use their hands well.  For me, crab blocking didn't fair against me because I had good hands and wouldn't let you fat linemen into my body.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 14, 2007, 02:14:04 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah....just be good at Pass Pro and let us QB's win the games....


Gunslinger..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 02:43:47 PM
Passpro is a whole nother can of worms, with many intracices and steps.  Its alot more complicated than the layperson thinks.   Its more of an art form.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2007, 02:46:15 PM
Just like TMC in 1999. I hear their QB was very concussed at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 14, 2007, 02:53:33 PM
crab on the backside of outside zone. actually, just cut everybody and keep them down. it works and it's effective. your boy alex gibbs loves that stuff.

for all i know the qb at msj was john elway, i didn't see them very much. just saying they were perceived as a running team with wellendorf catching some passes. i still think those teams were some of the best in the midwest. it went hanover for years, msj, and i am hoping fc here this season. hopefully, whoever it is, can win a playoff game and get this thing going.

does adrian slide or use b.o.b?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 09:09:41 PM
We use both, along with several other schemes.  Nothing overly complicated, Ill post more on them in a bit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 11:12:47 PM
Before I post my pass pro stuff, I will add one thing on outside zone.  Many teams cut, or crab block the back side.  We did it a bit differently.  Our idea on the outside zone was that it was hitting from the playside guard out, it was never designed as a cut back to the back side.  As a result of this we practiced our outside zone steps with the back side(bucket drop step to 45 degree angle and continue on that track).   However once our lineman establish their 45 degree track they proceed, if a DL comes across the face they stay with him forever and always however if they backdoor the play we released them and let them try to run our backs down(not a good proposition for 99% of DL).  THe backside tackle was actually what we reffered to as the TD block, it was his assignment to get to the third level and get rid of the safety who would be the touch down saver on this play.  In a game my junior year our TE was assigned to this and whiffed on the block end result a 40yd gain instead of a touchdown and a toungelashing in film.  Thats just how we ran it at adrian.  Pass pro stuff in the next post.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 11:23:55 PM
This is from my OL notebook which I made for all of my OL.  It covers everything from the ground up, literally from the 2 point stance, film breakdown sheets(for the player) all the way through the pass pro which Im posting.  If anyone is interested in the other stuff, let me know.

Pass Protection

Pass protection is the offensive lineman's greatest challenge.  It is a skill that requires patience and individual concentration, combined with total effort.  Good pass protection is key to offensive confidence and success, from a technical standpoint is the most difficult of any technique to master.  Perfection can be achieved by any lineman who has reasonable physical ability, pride, desire and exerts effort to be the best.  Pass protection should allow you to be physical, you should strive to pass protect with controlled aggression.  Being passive is not allowed.  You will be held accountable for your performance and your goal should be nothing less than a "protection shutout"

Areas of Focus
-   No Mental Busts!
-   No Penalties!
-   No Sacks!
-   No Pressures or Knockdowns!
-   No Batted or Deflected Balls!


The Ten Commandments of Pass Protection

1.   Know your assignment, split and alignment.
2.   Know your QB set-up point on each protection.
3.   Know your sets and technique vs. all alignments.
4.   Never miss a line call.
5.   Set quickly and strong.  Make your stand at the L.O.S.
6.   Do not allow inside penetration.  Never get beaten inside on man protection.
7.   Never take an outside fake.  Always respect an inside fake and anticipate the rushers second move and counter accordingly.
8.   Shuffle for positioning.  Always keep one foot on the ground!  Do not cross your feet, keep your base; maintain a slightly inside out position on the defender.
9.   Finish your job; keep the rusher away from the QB.  No knockdown, loafers don't last long.
10.   Refuse to be beaten!!

Pass Protection Fundamentals

Tempo:
-   Set up in one motion
-   Set on the move
-   Base your set on the defenders alignment
-   Dictate attitude and establish your position on the man.
-   Set with speed and quickness.
-   Beat the rusher to the set up-spot.
-   Prevent oversetting in slide and man protection

Target:
-   Get your head and eyes on the target.
-   Sight adjust the landmark to give you leverage.
-   Anticipate the initial and second move.
-   Concentrate, look at a small target and watch it in.
-   Maintain your position on the rusher.
-   Your eyes lead your body, aim small, miss small.
-   Proper targets allow you to keep a relative position between the rusher and the QB.
-   Honor inside moves, dishonor outside fakes.

Footwork:
-   Coordinate your hands and feet; carry your feet under your hips, your hips are tied to your knees.
-   Keep your center of gravity down.
-   Be an athlete and a knee bender.
-   Keep a wide base and maintain balance and body control.
-   Give ground grudgingly.
-   Have a foot pressure demeanor in order to redirect.
-   Cover the rusher up, nose to nose, toes to toes.

Punch:
-   Develop a decisive punch
-   Stop the initial charge
-   Deliver your hands under and up for a leverage lock-out, do not punch high.
-   Strike your punch on the move as close to the L.O.S. as possible.
-   Force the rusher to restart, redirect and re-seperate.
-   Create separation by restarting, refitting and re-sinking to get back to balance.
-   Don't come off your legs on contact; keep leverage in your legs with your shoulders square.
-   Snap your wrists and elbows.
-   Patience and timing are key, you must develop poise.  Don't jump the gun.
-   Snap a punch and lockout.

Finish:
-   "IT AINT OVER TILL ITS OVER" Don't cut anyone loose.  Help VIOLENTLY.  Scan or finish a rusher as far away from QB as possible.  Compete and fight your ass off.
-   Maintain a reactive position for the interval.
-   Follow; do not put your arms or hands out.


Pass Protection Schemes


Lorena (B.O.B.):

The Lorena or Big on Big blocking scheme is our basic protection for our 5 step drop passing series. 
In this protection each lineman is responsible for the man over him, with the uncovered man or men becoming an option blocker and looking to decisively help out on hard charging lineman.  It is the job of the center or option blocker to step to the side that needs the most help and keep his eyes on LB's looking out for any blitzes and or stunts.  This scheme works only as well as each individual, you cannot be beat.  No inside penetrations are allowed, as the inside is the shortest route to the QB. 
Tackles are responsible for keeping the width of the pocket while giving up as much ground as needed.  It is imperative that the DE's be forced outside of the QB to open throwing lanes and to prevent deflected passes.  Guards and centers have the responsibility of keeping the depth of the pocket.  The intention upfront should be to give each inch grudgingly no one gets anything easy.  It is again important to prevent inside rushes so as to keep lanes open, guards and the center must also work hard to identify stunts and interior blitzes while keeping the defensive lines hands down.

Ramrod:

The Ramrod protection scheme is designed for our 3 step drop and quick's passing game. 
In this protection each lineman is responsible for the man in front of them as well as the gap to their inside.  If you are going to be beat in our Ramrod protection make them beat you outside as that is the longest route to the QB.
The intention by all linemen in the Ramrod protection is to take an aggressive step toward the line of scrimmage to prevent the defensive lineman from getting their hands up.  The step out must be aggressive and controlled as you cannot lose balance and give up your inside lane.  All of the lineman should be stepping down hard to prevent the inside rushes.  Outside blitzes are not adjusted for as the QB should be reading hot. 
Keeping the lineman's hands down is key in this series as the quick pass will not come out with the same loft and trajectory as our 5 step series thus is more susceptible to being batted at the line. 

Boot / Waggle:

The boot and waggle protection schemes are designed for use on our boot and waggle plays.
In this protection the uncovered lineman will responsible for pulling and sealing the corner for our QB.  All other lineman will be a in big on big blocking with the center looking to help on the guards emptied gap.
On our boot protection the Guard will be pulling away from the original strength of the formation.  On our waggle series the guard will pull to the original strength of the formation.   
The guard will pull while looking right off the tackles hip, if he sees no pressure coming he will widen and look for an outside blitz, if at that point no outside rush is evident he will peel back and look for weak side pressure.   

Roll Out:

Roll out protection is designed to be used as its name indicates, on our rollout series of passing plays. 
The offensive linemen on rollout protection will work to move the pocket to the direction of the call.  Our calls will be made using verbal signals.  IF the pocket is sliding to our right then our offensive line in unison will take a gap step with their right foot to cover the gap to their right at which point they will shuffle slide out to the right making the defense engage them.  The play side tackle will take an aggressive set on the DE looking to take him on one in case we have an outside blitz and the RB cannot help. 
The backside three linemen (Center, Guard and Tackle) are responsible for sealing the backside of the line.  They will do so by taking their gap step along with a short shuffle slide and then hinging as to create a moving wall along the backside of the play. 

Play Action:

Our play action protection is a more aggressive style of big on big protection.  When using this scheme we will be looking to sell the run and then protect for the pass.  This will be accomplished by taking a hard step towards the defensive linemen to sell them and the LB's that it will be a run.  From this point the offensive lineman will then retreat back into his normal more passive style of pass protection.  Selling the run on the first step is key, but following our B.O.B. rules after the first step becomes the number one priority.


Protection Adjustments

Fan:

Fan protection will be used when we have an imminent threat of an outside blitz and the backside of the play is secure.  In fan protection our Center, Guard and Tackle will operate as a unit.  The center will become responsible for the call side DT, the guard will become responsible for the call side DE and the tackle will take responsibility for the Jet blitz.  All three linemen will slide out and fan to block the Jet.

Back Help:

Back help will be provided on certain passing plays out of formations where have a man in the backfield.  The back will make a call based upon the strength of the defensive front he will do so by counting the number of men on either side of the center.  The side with more men will become the help side.  The help will be indicated with a number call, odd numbers for left side help, even numbers for right side help and a zero call will indicate there will be no back help at all.
We will also receive help from the Y or FB when they are on the line as well.  It is up to the offensive line to know when the Y or FB will be releasing into a pattern and when he will be staying home to help protect. 

Max Protection:

Max protection is exactly what it says; we will keep the maximum number of blockers in to help in our protection.  This is a seldom used protection as we would much rather release and read our hot routes.  In max protection both our RB and our Y will stay in to help.  This scheme will use the same techniques as our big on big series; however outside rushes will be less dangerous as that is where our help will be.

Other Keys:

Pass Rushing Strength:

Know the strength of the rush, always identify best pass rusher as well as which side is overloaded.  Know what they want to do and when they want to do it!

Set Up Points:

Make a conscious effort to know the quarterbacks setup point.  It becomes much easier to block for someone when you know where they are going to be.  This is your responsibility, learn the play not just your assignment.   



***As a side note I do not like slide protection and fought not to use it, we used to for one game this last season with negative results.  It was forced in by our WR coach who has become the OC.  The reasons is the same reason that Penn States DL coach loves it.  It creates real problems on the backside of the protection the way that it is taught.  Most programs will have all the lineman slide to the strength call this creates a sever problem with the backside DE.  If the DE takes a hard rush upfield it puts the OT in terrible position to recover as he will have to turn his hips and break rules of pass pro by creating lanes.  Even if you have an RB coming over to pick up the corner this puts you in a bind of having an RB blocking a DE, if the DE is worth his salt he wins 9 out of 10 times.  Our current OC taught that the OT was to ignore the end on his slide step which again even if he takes a step down the line to squeeze and then pursues upfield, he will have an edge on the OT and create seams by breaking the line to recover.  However, I would like to hear how other programs run the protection as I am convinced that our OC always had "the best way" to do everything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 15, 2007, 09:33:56 AM
slide protection is great for a number of reasons. i am not sure what you mean by the backside de causing problems. i see slide pro as a slide side, and a man side. depending on what you do with you rb, there are different rules for running a slide.

basic version under center with rb in. center on back slides, taking a-b-c gaps. it's not always an a,b,c slide though depending on the pressure. sometimes it can be a a/c/d slide. basically, you are sliding to your gap/landmark. if you have your help hand inside you can sift slanters off to the next lineman with your eyes still on your outside gap to pick up pressure. if nobody shows, violently slam back inside to help. ala you slide to the zone drop side, etc. the slide side pops their shoulders at the same angle and takes their slide steps. should be 3 guys working as a wall to protect. if you use a blitz pick-up period each day for 10 minutes, you can start to see how this stuff sifts it way out. the line calls are much easier to read/call and use. a lot of teams use the tackles to make these calls because they can see the edge pressure and communicate this so the guard and center know edge pressure is coming and they'll probably trade guys off. for example, will off the edge, de slant to guard, dt slant to center. 3 for 3.

man side, or "backside" of the slide. teams use different calls to call out what slide it is, 3 man, 4 man, or 5 man slide. i have always heard that your manside guard sets on #1 (zero, shade, 2, 3t, etc.) and the tackle has number 2 (99% of the time it's the de). tackle on the man side has to vertical set so he doesn't get caught up in the slant, drops, etc.

most teams slide with center taking a gap, and rb protects playside a-gap to outside threats. this is the simplest way and doesn't involve rule teaching.

there are different rules for sliding to shade and 4 man pressures though, too much to type. i have seen slide pick up some outrageous blitzes that OL never would have picked up in a man scheme. it's really easy to sort the junk out and pick up the proper guys in slide. the way defenses are running so many zone fires, slide is def the way to go for all of your 5 step drops.

most teams you see on tv use slide protection in some fashion, and depending on the front, you can have 3-4 linemen working as a wall to protect the qb. i would recommend calling any DI ol coach and asking for the finer coaching points in the slide. once you know it more, you'll like it much more than man schemes. you can email me if you want to know more about it.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 16, 2007, 11:54:29 AM
on a side note, would the MLB benefit from having more teams in playoff play? i had a discussion about this yesterday and i said yes because then the fans would still be interested late in the season if their team wasn't in first or second place. i was trumped out by traditional baseball fans though.

personally, i think the batting team should be allowed to place one guy in the field to "disrupt" the defense and take people out. the game would be fun to watch and you would see some nasty hits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 18, 2007, 11:06:44 AM
I like slide protection, but to protect like it's drawn up takes discipline...especially for younger players who don't get the idea of blocking a gap, not a man. It's like convincing a kid that 2+2=5. I played semi-pro with guys who didn't get slide protection. Some of these guys had college experience.

ADAWG does have a point that the back on the DE is a mismatch. What I would prefer, at the college level, is the back cut the DE (Obviously you can't do this in HS which is BS). Even if the DE is a great athlete and has good hands, the cut will slow him down and give the QB an extra second to throw. It will also slow the DE's rush. If he's expecting to be cut blocked, he'll slow up so he can avoid his knees getting taken out. I'm not 100%, but I think the backs at MSJ were taught to cut the DE.

Other ways to use slide (Both of these will help control the backside DE):
1. Use it for your quick game
2. Roll the QB to the slide side

If a defense does have a DE who rushes hard upfield, there's ways you can slow his rush with runs. Use his aggressiveness to your advantage. Options, Shovels, Screens, Draws...all ways to slow the backside DE.

Macke...you know damn well I'd cut the hell out of you. Wanna know why...Cause I cheat. I grab shoes, shoe laces, roll. In wrestling there's a move called a low single and a low single is where you shoot/dive in and put your shoulder on their shin and hands on their heel. Drive into their shin with your shoulder while you pick up the heel. It hurts like hell and is impossible to stay on your feet. Whenever I cut someone with good hands on the DL, I would do this. Not as pretty as in wrestling, but it still worked. Technically it's holding, but I was only called for holding once while I was cutting someone and odly enough, I wasn't holding that time.

Then again, give me an O-linemen who doesn't cheat and I'll give you a million dollars. We all cheat. But the best 'Cheating' I ever heard was the Donkey Punch. It's not what you think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 18, 2007, 11:09:26 AM
Dawg...i am with you any time you have to depend on a runnign back to block a DE you are in deep crap.  no offense to you skinny folks, but if an RB was tough and could block they would be playing on the line.  they get paid to run fast not stop 275 men.  i actually used to hate when they would try to help out and bump on the outside.  half the time they hit me not the DE (had a face mask bruise on my Tri for half a season my Sophmore year).  if they actually hit the DE they bumped the outside gving them momentum to the inside.  i finally told them to never hit my guy unless i already got my ass kicked.

loved the rest of the info on PAss Pro.  toughest job in football, yet the easiest to master with just a little discipline.  it is the biggest difference between a Frosh and a Sophmore in camp doing the little thing in pass pro.  you see more egos get smoked during the first day of one on one.

whatever happened to Tim Moore?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 18, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
Sayer it should be outlawed to get called for holding while cutting, homw can a ref actually see???  we were taught the leg whip.  similar to what you describe with the shoulder through the opposite shin then once you make conact you roll into them and try to buckle the opposite knee.  devistatingly effectve becuase even if you miss time the cut and the try to jump you, your leg will take them out while spinnng.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 18, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
I do agree that baseball would be more enjoyable if there were more teams able to compete in the post season. In baseball there are many, many times when teams win 90+ games and miss the playoffs. The Reds in 1999. Went 94-68 and had to play a play-in game...which they lost to Al Leiter and the Mets, 4-0.  I think you give the 3 division Champs an automatic spot, and add the next best teams based on their W-L record. If the season ended now, the 6 teams from the National League would be:

1. San Diego Padres (40-28) vs Bye
4. NY Mets (37-30) vs 5. Milwaukee Brewers (38-31)
3. LA Dodgers (39-30) vs 6. Atlanta Braves (37-33)
2. Arizona Diamondbacks (40-30) vs Bye

Wild Card - Best of 5
Divisional - Best of 5
Championship - Best of 7
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 18, 2007, 11:43:35 AM
We were taught that too, but in a different sense. When we had to log a DE, one technique we were shown (I never did...too much work) was to put your helmet in the DE's crotch and your shoulder on their thigh and whip your body and legs agound and roll up on the back of their legs. Watching our O-line coach do it...was better than half the stuff posted on Youtube.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 18, 2007, 12:18:01 PM
i was leg whipped one time, and i almost puked immediately. avoiding the cut is easy for guys that use their hands. you may get cut down, but you'll have some time to get up if you are scared of the dl coach killing you. i also never got cut that much, because when i did i put my cleats through their back as i got up and ran. however, the one time i was leg whipped, i never saw it coming and i felt like i was going to die.

sayer i never thought of sprinting out to the slide side, unless you are talking about good ol sprint out and moving the pocket. i like it though.

most pass pro schemes today are man/slide schemes where they call this at the line or with the play. there is always a man side and slide side. i do like the 5 man slide for playactions (power plays) and roll out plays where both the fb and tailback cut the DE. it is bs that you can't cut in high school, esp with so many de's being huge in today's game.

if you ever watch old michigan or lou holtz stuff, they used to do this a lot. I-twins, sprint to the twins side with both of the rb's cutting the de and sliding the line away from the play. any combo of pass plays can be used and have a te crosser if you like.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on June 18, 2007, 02:14:43 PM
VicBell57,

You made us all eat crow last year with Franklin knocking off Wabash at FC...so, what's your prediction for Franklin in Week #2 vs. Wabash?  At #16 Wabash...  A side note, Coach Creighton is 29-5 at home.  Huff vs. Rupp should be a great matchup...

At least Sears won't be ripping off KO returns.  I have a feeling Bash may have this date marked...

Prediction???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 18, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
prediction?

i used to throw out some lofty predictions when franklin was getting thumped and building a machine. i also loved to hammer some other schools to get it going. i am still waiting for hanover fans to come back so we can get after each other a bit.

my predicition is this:

the fc football team has been working very hard to win the hcac championship. sears is gone and somebody else will have to step up. wabash is very in love with themselves and how they perceive their football team and it's success. it does do wonders for the school and the recruitment there. i imagine the lil giants are peeved over last year's game. this game will feature a very fired up wabash team with the fans out in full force chanting that stupid hard hat crap.

when all of it comes down to the opening kickoff the game is going to feature some intense contact from both sides. you'll see a fc team led by strong leaders who don't rattle and the same from wabash. this game will come down to the wire my friend. i know this though, theo's defense has been getting stronger each year and he has some horses over there. i heard he was employing a new 8-3 defense that lines everybody up at the line of scrimmage and you better block the right guy, or you are going down. it's supposed to be a bit more deadly than the vaunted 46. the fc offense is led by leonard, that's all i need to say on that topic.

prediction: fc 28 wabash 24

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 19, 2007, 12:09:38 AM
oh, and i forgot, the FC wabash game will also feature the two best tailgating squads in the nation at the Division III level. FC traditionally has party buses, rv's, numerous kegs in the parking lots, music (sometimes live music), cornhole, tackle football, any assortment of meat to eat and fill your stomach, chili, and some of the best potato salad in the midwest. while i was bragging about the pre-game meals and drinks at the friendly confines of Faught Stadium, one depauw alum said the bashers can bring the pre-game party as well. this should be a great collaboration of much beer, meat, potato salad, and pre-game football before what could be one of the nation's best games this upcoming season.

yes, i said it. i actually am picking 6 games to highlight the nation's games this season.

1.) mount union rivalry game against either john carroll or baldwin wallace. jcu and bw have been scrambling the past two seasons to get their monster going again, and i see this season as a great one to compete with the mighty raiders. in years past, all but the hair on a horse's hind end have separated these teams. i look for one of those games to be top notch. i dare say if one of those games turned out differently b/n these teams, you could have had another national champion out of the oac. but they didn't, so let's move on.

2.) FC vs wabash. last year's game was awesome and there are always high tensions playing in-state games of this nature. granted FC doesn't have the freak that is sears playing in blue and gold, but the squad coming back is highly talented. chad rupp is as talented as you will find at quarterback and the defense has taken huge strides in recent years. one pre-game speech by defensive coordinator said it all last year, "hey guys, you can only have a team come into your house and slap your mom, beat up your dad, eat your food, and kiss your sister while you sit around and watch. sooner or later you have to grow some hair on your chest and take your house back. today we are taking our house back." well said matt.

3.) FC vs MSJ. since leonard has taken over, this has been a bruising game with msj coming out on top. all the games have been close but no cigar for franklin. the hitting has been intense, and some great athletes have played on both sides. while msj's success has led to the departure of hilvert, i am sure huber will have the boys from hills playing tough, and i know FC wants this game.

4.) north central vs wheaton. north central's only loss last year. if you get a chance, get to a north central game. great stadium, tough conference, should be a great game. it was nc's only regular season loss last year and i expect this one to be a ball buster.

5.) capital vs mount union. #1 beat #4 last year. you don't think that's up on the weight room wall? not a far drive for the hcac'rs either, it would be worth the admission.

6.) wabash vs depauw or FC vs HC. rivalry games are awesome, the hate, the bitterness, the jealousy, the closeness, the recruiting, the teams hitting on the field. come one come all and enjoy these bell games. the best in the land if you ask me. i am partial toward the fc hc bell game though, way more ego involved is always fuel for the opening kickoff.

*my bonus game: the bridge bowl. i'll let the msj/tmc crowd weigh in. i'm sure this will be great to read.

oh, and i typed all of my comments using the robin leech voice, read it again with that in mind, and it seems way more dramatic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 19, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
I played my first flag football game yesterday...we got destroyed. The team we played had a lineman from Ball State and a lineman from Vanderbuilt and a football coach from Tiffin who played WR and could flat out run. I've seen him before but don't know where. He had dreds. They also had some other guys who played ball before. On my team, I'm the only person who's played college football and I think we only have 3-4 guys who played HS football. It will be a long season.

The Bridge bowl will be tough. MSJ has to proove a lot to people. They have a new OC and a new DC and a lot of inexperienced players filling starting roles. Rockin Rod will bring in the players, but it will be a different philosophy on both sides of the ball. I heard Soriano is a spread guy. MSJ could be going back to the looks of 2001 and 2002...with a little more success of course, on offense. Defense...I don't even know who's running the defense or if they will even keep the 4-4 look (which is what I think Hilvert ran). I do believe the game will be very emotional. If TMC and MSJ play the BRidge Bowl last year 20 times, MSJ wins 19...but TMC showed up and won the one that counted. WHo knows wat will happen. The best team doesn't always win on Saturdays..unless your Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 19, 2007, 11:44:55 AM
http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061907aaa.html

this is very sad and our prayers go out to his entire family.

i did hear a message in church this past week for father's day, and it seems to make sense in times like this. in a nutshell the priest said "your time on earth is short, god already has a place picked out for you with him...."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 19, 2007, 12:20:25 PM
the better prepared team wins most times.  and I agree with you that was an upset this past year.   It will be interesting to see the flavor the rivalry takes on from this point forward though.  Lots of good stuff happening in Crestview Hills now. 

As far as the tailgate for the Bridge Bowl....its been a more festive (ie celebratory)atmosphere for us AFTER the game with the obvious exceptions of 2004 and 2005.    Again I wonder how the crowd will handle this year's edition of the Bridge Bowl.  I think you'll probably see some of the MSJ/TMC guys from on here share a beer before the game.

Adam,

where you playing flag football?  the key is to have a quick QB and a go-to receiver if you are playing CSL.  Before my shoulder surgery this past year, I was playing with a buddy of mine, an all american WR from Georgetown (KY).  We called him the eraser....we'd let all the turds on the team play until halftime and then start calling on "the eraser" to chew up yards on posts, post-corners and go's.   We usually won going away...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 19, 2007, 09:23:25 PM
Very sad day in football. But VBell is right. There's a method to God's madness. Personally, I'd like to know what it is cause I can't get a job and have resorted to painting relatives' houses for extra cash. Lord knows I pray every night for a teaching job.

We play at an indoor place in Fairfield. It's full contact but you can't tackle trying to get the flag...or I should say you're not supposed to. Balls off the wall are in play. It would have helped if I could shotgun snap the ball too. I'd do about 3-4 good snaps in a row, then roll one, then snap it 10 yards in the air. There is a reason why I never volunteered for Center.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 20, 2007, 08:18:00 AM
Adam,

Hang in there, dude.  If life were easy....you wouldn't appreciate the good times.  Let me know if you want to get together here soon so I can impart some more wisdom on you. 

JPC,

If you are lurking here...shoot me a message.  An old HS Classmate of yours is now my new Group Sales Manager and we were trading stories about you the other day.

To all....9 days away from the big 3-0.  I have rented a bar in Mt. Adams for Saturday the 30th.  Its $35 to get in, and all you can drink from 9-midnight.  If anyone is interested shoot me a message and I'll give you the name of the place. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 20, 2007, 08:26:07 AM
Also my thoughts and prayers go out to Coach Hep's family.... the fraternity of coaching has lost a good one..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on June 20, 2007, 11:00:36 AM
VictoryBell57,

Did you really just compare Franklin/Hanover with Wabash/DePauw?

"Wabash is very in love with themselves and their Program" - is that why FC is STILL talking about their upset win last season...why they talk about that win on every recruiting discussion, and why the Indy Star wrote an article about it at then end of the 2006 season.  I couldn't find the article.

2007 game is much different:
- Huff is one of the top QBs in all of Division III
- Bash D is a completely different unit, was by game 6 of last year, Deig and Pynenberg are off the charts with a deep and talented D front, NO first year starters nor position changes
- Bash will have film on FC's offense - no clue last year with no trade with OWU, much better D game plan
- the game is at Hollett Little Giant Stadium
- won't that same pep talk apply for Bash this season since its in our house?   ;D

8-3 huh?  I hope they do...  Huff would throw for about 600 yards...and Russell would catch for about 300

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 20, 2007, 12:06:47 PM
yes i did, the only differance is that the FC HC people are more fun to hang out with. i know your bell is much bigger and you think you are ordained the football teams in the state, but get over yourselves.

i haven't talked about the "upset" since it happened. I said great job and get ready for the next game. and giving an outline of your previous season with some notable victories isn't that absurd friend. it's called giving the 17-18 year old high school senior a snap shot of your program and who you've played/beat. it's called recruiting. if they said during the recruiting spiel that the wabash fans were doing the elephant train on their monkeys, then you can complain.

2007 game is much different:
- Huff is one of the top QBs in all of Division III was he not any good last year?
- Bash D is a completely different unit, was by game 6 of last year, Deig and Pynenberg are off the charts with a deep and talented D front, NO first year starters nor position changespart of the game, let's deal with it and move on. theobald didn't complain when he was trying to piece together a defense the last couple of years with guys not suited for it. he just worked hard and ate a lot of food.
- Bash will have film on FC's offense - no clue last year with no trade with OWUyou could have received a film. i got a film 4 states away by calling a few people. it's not cheating, it's called being creative. , much better D game planok, we'll see. if it's an 8-3 then i am saying you stole that from theobald and crying foul.
- the game is at Hollett Little Giant Stadiumcool place. HARD HAT FOOTBALL AND WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTING. it really is a cool place, but the geekiest thing i have heard are those chants. it literally is the most annoying crap ever heard. that's not homefield advantage. it's the calculus club drinking 3 zimas and chanting hard hat football all day. the tomahawk chop is home field advantage.
- won't that same pep talk apply for Bash this season since its in our house?   no, because theobald is the best pre game speecher that has ever walked the earth. and he is way fatter than anything your coaching staff can bring to the table. he will simply out work you at the buffet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 20, 2007, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on June 20, 2007, 12:06:47 PM
i know your bell is much bigger

But I got the biggest......Bells of them all.

The 30th....something tells me I have something to do (Not sure at the moment) but if I don't, and have some extra cash, I'll be sure to stop up. Pavillion? Longworths? Blind Lemon? Yesterdays?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 20, 2007, 02:29:17 PM
sayer, don't get upset about the job thing. most schools are not under pressure to hire immediately and some will continue to wait until mid july. they have the 4th to take off you know. if you live in cincy, call the bearcats and see if you can do something for them. you could be on tv one day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 20, 2007, 03:30:18 PM
Sayer: Monday I had two schools call to set up an interview, one thanks to coach Hubbie, and then another one today.  Today was Blanchester, next week Northwest and little catholic school on the west side.  If you go to the archdiocese website they have tons of middle school positions open.  It would hurt for a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 22, 2007, 08:06:38 AM
Bumped into Coach Huber last night....if someone could tell him that I made it home without incident, when you talk to him that would be great. 

Thanks.

Adam, its going to be at Alive One next Saturday night.  You should pony up the $35 and come out....you'll probably see me in rare form, unless the ex is there.  By the way, most of the girls from here will be there and if you can believe it, the scenery is better than it was when you spent time in the old complex. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2007, 10:40:40 AM
I keep getting bad news. I did apply to quite a few schools on the Archdiocese website here and two schools in Columbus. We will see. The only thing I can do is try.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 24, 2007, 04:31:57 PM
This is Tony German's fight. For those who don't know, Tony played ball at MSJ for a year and has the biggest arms of anyone I know. He also happens to be slightly nuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsiqG20qBMY
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 24, 2007, 05:57:04 PM
was that shot w/ a cell phone? 
Tony does look like a beast for sure.  That fight looked like the Jonnie Morten fight in LA when it lasted about 12 seconds.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 24, 2007, 07:33:47 PM
that guy is massive
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 25, 2007, 12:59:13 PM
what an animal!  I would hate to be on the recieving end of that punch.  Not bad for his first fight!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2007, 06:12:06 PM
I'd like to train with him but don't have the $100/month to spend. I don't even have $100 in my bank account right now. We're roughly the same size and would be good drilling partners.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2007, 06:30:05 PM
If you all are bored, here's a link to vote for the ESPY Awards.

http://espn.go.com/espy2007/index.html#/vote/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 26, 2007, 12:59:11 PM
Sayer what is the $100 a month for.  Screw boxing for fitness.

Just show up at the mount in the Harrington Center on Sundays mornings @ 10:00.
And then lately on Tuesdays and Thursdays at about 1:30 -2:00 we roll around up there.  Thats where I am about to head in a little bit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2007, 01:36:57 PM
Sayer did you see Kimbo take out Mercer?  i was looking for it online but just saw he won in the first with a choke hold.  might be the baddest dude on the planet.  have you seen his site i think sublimefights got about 6 of his fights uneditted plus some undercards with his posse.  Bareknuckle backally asswhippins
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 26, 2007, 05:27:58 PM
is it true that a boston police officer beat kimbo? then got fired for doing the illegal fight?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 27, 2007, 10:52:57 AM
I heard he lost to some huge white guy but I don't know if he was a cop or not. Kimbo may still be the baddest man on the planet. Losing only one bareknuckle fight isn't bad when you've had about 50 fights. Not everyone can be Marciano.

German told me that it cost him $100/month to train at the facility he trains at. If you all will be there tomorrow at 1:30, I'll stop up to roll around. Maybe show you all some wrastlin skillz. If you won't be there, let me know so I don't waste the gass. # is 793-3541.

SaintsFan, whats the deal for this weekend. I got a paycheck I didn't know I was getting so I think I will have the $$$.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 27, 2007, 10:54:49 AM
If you search sublimedirectory...there's a lot more than bareknuckle fighting  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 27, 2007, 07:37:47 PM
Watched the Gannon vs. Kimbo Slice fight & in my opinion I think it is pathetic.  I know it is the fighters choice to fight in these bouts, but the way the fights are monitored these fighters are going to end up dead or permanently damaged.  Also, what is up w/ the crowd standing right next to the fighters?  I was waiting for one of them to get hit. 
Anyways, I'm a big fan for a lot of contact sports out there but this one I can not support. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 28, 2007, 11:35:10 AM
i agree with that comment. i guess they have bodyguards (or at least kimbo does) that are pretty close to the action to make sure nothing happens. i'm assuming you'll be shot if you rush the fight, i don't know. isn't this just human cockfighting? i am still in shock at the one guy's eyeball falling out of his head, that was the sickest thing i have ever seen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 28, 2007, 10:36:47 PM
Human cockfighting is the best way to put it.  Has_Been go search sublimedirectory i am sure their is a guy on guy section for you.  you need to get out of the "OC" and move back to Detroit to get a little manhood back int he marble bag!!

FYI looking to get a new job in the next week i wont cover CA anymore but i will likely be coming to San Diego more often now...about to start making FU jack.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 29, 2007, 01:40:18 AM
First of al 70_dc_alum, I'm now kicking it in Encino ;) & stop thinking about my marble bag! 
By the way, just let me know when you are in San Diego & you know I'll be there.  I live a little further north now as I mentioned, but it isn't that much of a difference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 30, 2007, 12:38:06 PM
So I'm flipping through the channels and decide to watch the Columbus Destroyers/Tampa Bay Storm AFL game. As soon as I turn the channel, there's a shot of Hanover's Brett Dietz leaning up against wall. They said he is 7-1 as a starter for Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabaystorm.com/storm/sub.cfm?pageid=1239

And he just threw and INT in the end zone that was returned for a TD by Columbus.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 30, 2007, 02:40:47 PM
Dietz has also been nominated for AFL rookie of the year.  Looks like he is making some waves for Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 01, 2007, 03:42:20 PM
What is the word on Defiance football?  Replacing both coordinators, I'm sure there are going to be a ton of changes for the program.  I am especially interested in seeing the defense that was nationally ranked last season but due to the exit of DC's former D Coordinator, I'm wondering if the defense will suffer at all next season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 01, 2007, 09:18:50 PM
defiance will employ an option offense with varying looks of the 3-4, and double eagle defense. nothing too crazy, just good ol' fashioned football. i hear they have a couple good ones on offense and a few guys on defense that can change the game. should have another solid year in defiance. could do a lot better if they paid their assistants more than 20k a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
vbell:

Who is the new OC at Defiance?  Is Coach Taylor doing that?  I didn't see one listed on their current webpage.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
This is the only reason SaintsFan gets any action. Making those big bucks at TQL.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19505458/?GT1=10150
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 02, 2007, 04:46:37 PM
this is just grapevine stuff, i have heard that the offense suits their personnel better. whatever they do, coach taylor does a great job there and is well respected around the hcac.

it is interesting that the DIII schools do not pay their assistant coaches very much. i have heard that a lot of assistants make in the mid 20's range. just doesn't right with the money these small schools make to pay their coaches (men and women who spend a great deal of quality time with these young men and women to ensure a quality college experience) such a poor amount. in all reality, they are paying them just slightly above the poverty line. and we wonder why education in japan is taking off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2007, 07:57:01 PM
vbell:
The $20,000 range is very conservative - usually if one works for the school in another full time capacity i.e not just coaching.  I know of one DIII school where an assistant was full time for two sports and the salary was about $33,000 - okay for a single young coach, but difficult to raise a family on.  Many schools assistants (I'm talking full time, not the part time) don't even make that much - although obviously, it depends on the school and its resources.  Yet, overall, I agree with you.  The coaches need to be paid more, yet in this current era, economically, like the teaching profession as you know, it is very difficult.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 08:00:36 PM
My buddy is the assistant DC at St. Joes (DII) in Indiana and I think he said he only makes about $9,000. He and his wife had to live in Section 8 and use food stamps the first year while she was looking for a teaching job.

I also believe I was a day up on d3football on the Deitz report :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 02, 2007, 08:27:41 PM
Oh, at least. I read the story in the local paper a week or so ago but wanted to give the Salem story more run and see what the playoff game brought Dietz.

Wish I'd seen your post. I did my own research, trying to find my way through the box scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 11:40:53 PM
Just finished winning our first Flag game...only because the team we played was practically deaf and dumb. There's a team in a higher league called the Cartel. Half their team played with the Marshals last year.

That INT returned cost him later in the game...but still an impressive year. Now if they would only come out with a league where 5'11" 250 pound O-linemen can get some love.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 03, 2007, 02:31:58 AM
Quote
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 11:40:53 PM
Now if they would only come out with a league where 5'11" 250 pound O-linemen can get some love.

Time to lose the flags and get your tail hooked up with the Wolfhounds - your size, footwork, and wrestling accumen would be well suited to "loose head prop" and you'd get to run with the bloody ball (occassionally) and tackle opposition as a bonus.  ;D

Best Wishes from a 5'11", 15 stone forward - still playing (at slower pace) @ 54   ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 03, 2007, 09:30:57 AM
it's ok, when i get a few drinks in me i call president moseley at franklin college and leave him a voicemail about paying his coaches more. the problem with academics is that when they stop the athletics wing, they think you just "joke around" or "do football" all day and "it's not that hard."

a.) coaches are good natured and laugh a lot.
b.) it's your job to do football all day, you are trying to do your best and not rip the school off.
c.) it's not that hard, but the academics will fire you for not doing good.

the other problem is that they are dorks (sorry) and very stuffy people. if something hit them in the lap besides a text book in the last 30 years they would have more social skills. me, i'll take the candy striping stripper to fall in my lap once every now and again.  bear bryant said he never trusted the schools administration anywhere becausey they were all the same, "non-working, unrealistic, soft handed, political, money stealing, no good snakes in the grass."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 03, 2007, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
This is the only reason SaintsFan gets any action. Making those big bucks at TQL.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19505458/?GT1=10150


haha...true...or it could be they like the grey hairs and the wrinkles around the eyes from years in the sun....whatever it is....how would you like to be Dietz right now?  He's probably getting boy-band nook now in Tampa. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 03, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 08:00:36 PM

I also believe I was a day up on d3football on the Deitz report :)
Dietz' head coach at Tampa Bay is Tim Marcum, a McMurry ex and former player for Grant Teaff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 03, 2007, 11:05:36 AM
Fun in the sun watching girls wearing hardly anything is always a good time...especially when you don't have to pay for it.

Seems like DIII is getting quite a proportion in the AFL population.

Looking on the Marshals website, there is a player from Franklin. His name is Aaron Bridges and he wears #57 and comes in at 6'3" 270 pounds. We found VBell's true identity.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 03, 2007, 02:20:51 PM
formerd3db- I don't see Taylor being the OC at Defiance.  He has been defensive minded since high school when he was an allstate linebacker.  He then played dline at Albion, I believe he coached on the defensive side at St. Joe's, & started at dline at DC. 
On what they pay D3 assistants it is rough to live on that kind of $.  But sports are not the primary focus at DIII schools, so you won't see to much support for higher wages for the coaches no matter what the athletic programs bring to the schools.  Just an opinion though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 03, 2007, 02:50:37 PM
I cant see Taylor as the OC at Defiance either as he is a defensive guy.  Their offense for the last several years has been a bit scattered, its as if they can not quite decide on an identity.  They have been option and spread which is two different ends of the spectrum.  With the defense they have and if the offense improved they could be a dominant teams, they definetly have some quality skill players.  AS far as assistant salaries in DIII, I know at Adrian that the full time assistants get hired in at 35grand and we have the staff of 4 interns as well with one intern making 15grand plus meals housing and benefits and the other three making 7500 plus meals housing and benefits.  It is definelty not the level you are going to rake in the big bucks though as most jobs I have seen are in the 20's even at some of the DII's.  I knew the online coach at Tiffin and he was only making around 28grand so it is definetly not a big money industry.

On a side note the DC from Defiance was supposed to interview for the Adrian job this past week but they cancelled on him and hired from within, any info on why he is shopping around?  Is he looking to get the raise that would come with another schools job?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 03, 2007, 03:30:47 PM
Adrian has always seemed to have done a good job supporting their football program.  I always enjoyed the atmosphere when we played there (even for J.V. games). 
On passing up on DC's past dcoord., I think that was a mistake.  Hiring within is always good, but picking up a young coordinator w/ a proven past & fellow Michigander could have helped the program.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 03, 2007, 05:05:07 PM
dchasbeen:

That is the comment from other people as well.  Fresh face bring fresh ideas and change isnt always a bad thing.  Their past Dcoord was always creative and had some very good defenses.  Coach Deere who they hired to replace Klotz at Adrian is much the same mold and will be getting his first shot at fulltime coaching as opposed to coming in from 4-10 after he got out of work.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 04, 2007, 10:28:15 AM
Aaron bridges i am not, trust me. while he is the dumbest person i have ever met, he can long snap better than most guys in the nfl. for some reason, god gave him quick long snapping hands and very slow thought processing brain cells.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on July 04, 2007, 06:44:41 PM

Franklin followers---what are your expectations for Chad Rupp this season? Dustin Huff from Wabash gets alot of attention (and rightfully so), but I hear really, really good things about Rupp.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 04, 2007, 09:03:36 PM
it is pretty crappy that a seasoned assitant coach makes less than a starting salary for most college grads.

HasBeen it could not have been the most recent D-coordinator we played with.  they just got a new place out in the country i think near Hamler and is working at keller with sweede and schaubs.  if punches gave him hell fo wroking at DC with all that time she is not going to let him do it over an hour away.  i think she wanted to go part time with all them kids...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 05, 2007, 11:22:25 AM
i agree, colleges just simply need to pay more for their coaches to keep quality people in your school. coaches are moving with more frequency nowadays though in hopes to get a better gig.

i would say chad rupp will have another fine year. from what i hear, he is a great young man to be around, have as a teammate, and a great leader. it also helps that he is pretty talented and very humble. wabash is a great school with great tradition and their qb's will always get some ink in the news, but franklin was, is, and will be the "cradle of qb's" in small college america. Coach Faught started that tradition and Coach Leonard has continued that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2007, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on July 05, 2007, 11:22:25 AM
wabash is a great school with great tradition and their qb's will always get some ink in the news, but franklin was, is, and will be the "cradle of qb's" in small college america.

Yeah. That's not a reach. There's no quarterbacking at Mount Union or anywhere else. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 05, 2007, 03:34:34 PM
haha, nobody makes me bleed my own blood. good one pat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 06, 2007, 01:19:23 PM
I hear that Defiance had to suspend six or seven of their players at the end of the school year.  Is this true?  If so will it carry over to next season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 06, 2007, 05:55:15 PM
From what I have heard Taylor will be coordinating the offense and coaching the QB's this year.  Any idea what type of look and offense can be expected now that Taylor will be calling the shots?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 07, 2007, 08:50:56 AM
adawg,

lots of punts....you'll see three different versions of the punt formation this season..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 07, 2007, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 07, 2007, 08:50:56 AM
adawg,

lots of punts....you'll see three different versions of the punt formation this season..


FUNNY!  Hopefully for DC's sake they can arrange a few first downs and scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 08, 2007, 12:21:32 PM
i just posted something on their offense, go back a page.

and yes, you could see many different variations on the punt, spread punt, tight punt, rugby punt, aussie punt, puntrooskie, who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 08, 2007, 12:29:51 PM
shrimp stew, shrimp gumbo, shrimp cocktail, shrimp etouffe, shrimpkebab, shrimp samich......

signed,
Bubba
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 08, 2007, 12:34:09 PM
Oh yea, this is defiance we're talking about.  Let me translate for the old Defiance dline that hang around here:

fajitas camarones on two


signed,
Cerrano and a bucket o' KFC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 08, 2007, 10:01:46 PM
Man I am getting sick and tierd of baseball and the Reds.  Football can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 08, 2007, 10:22:02 PM
At least you have griffey playing like he did years ago, that is the one bright spot to a sorry season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 09, 2007, 10:34:13 PM
The Reds may be very bad but...
1. Griffey is back to being Griffey
2. Homer Bailey showed he can be a dominant pitcher in the MLB (good for the future)
3. Josh Hamilton is in the hunt for rookie of the year
4. Firing managers usually sparks a team ala the Reds winning 5 of 6 and 4 in a row heading into the All Star break.

So there are some good storylines this year rather than just being the worst team in MLB.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 11, 2007, 07:32:49 PM
it was nice to see Griff to have display in the allstar game
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 12, 2007, 06:06:46 PM
Rich Franklin is fighting in Cincinnati on 10/20/07 for the UFC middle weight championship. It's a pay per view event and will probably be held at US Bank Arena. I would imagine you could get a ticket for about $40-$50 a pop which isn't too bad to watch a bunch of guys kick the piss out of each other. I would imagine that Matt Hamill will also be fighting since he's a Cincinnati Boy also...and 3 time NCAA DIII champion wrestler from a Deaf school in New York...yeah he's also deaf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 13, 2007, 02:04:21 PM
I think former Thomas More LB and coach, Chris Wells is supposed to be fighting in this thing as well.  He's one of Rich Franklin's training partners.  I'll confirm when I hear more...

Hammill's brother, Pat was on our 1995 team...until he got in a little trouble and was NOT asked back to school.  He ended up at Mount St. Joe for a year and then nobody has heard from him..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 17, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
Here's an article that should make Cave2beans proud:

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=147

And Since football is right around the corner, here's a youtube link for all you Buckeye lovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMlPWO9N9eU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 17, 2007, 11:52:21 PM
no sayer, this is the most important video of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpxjl23QFH8

actually, i find it hard to say anything comical about this without going really under the belt. maybe you guys can come up with something.

vbell57, out
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 18, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
I belive I actually saw that same thing on television but it was full length on HBO or something like that a couple years ago.   I didnt watch your whole clip, but I know on the HBO special one, the big DL actually got into a fight with his position coach, and the position coach initiated the whole thing.  I find it pretty comical that the sign in the weight room on the wall said "Discipline above all" when I watched it the least disciplined people seemed to be the coaches.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 18, 2007, 10:06:44 AM
I've seen that on HBO too and if you ever wanted to know why Pacman Jones and Chris Henry are the way they are...it's because of HS situations like that. Where coaches talk about kicking the sh!t out of someone who comes into your house and takes your remote control and every other word is f*ck. Those kids don't get an education, don't learn how to be an adult, don't learn what's morally and ethically acceptable...they just learn football. And when they get older, they end up dead or if they do make it to The League, they end up like the Pacman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 18, 2007, 10:10:17 AM
I second that Adam, to an extent.  I coached 8 year olds in Covington two years ago, and these inner city kids get an "early start" on that kind of behavior....from the environment they are raised in.  Its probably why these coaches are the way they are as well.....just a vicious cycle..


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 18, 2007, 10:11:23 AM
I am not perfect. I yell, cuss, and have grabbed kids by their arms and did the whole finger in their chest thing as Bill Venard was so adept at doing. I'm probably as leanient as it gets when it comes to 'Old School' coaching, but this is bad. The coach lays the kid out on the field. And the asst tells the other players to let them fight. They are sending the message that it's ok to be violent when things don't go your way.

And VBell, I think this will be the biggest film of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL50ddCSJmo
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 18, 2007, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 17, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
Here's an article that should make Cave2beans proud:

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=147

Appreciate the thought, Adam.  FYI, "league" is substantially different (more like American Gridiron) than rugby union rules and is basically limited to "Oz" and the English midlands for popularity.  It's not nearly as free-wheeling in flow, and it's origins evolved via "professional compensation" through corporate teams in the latter decade of the 1800s.  Lacks the continuity of play and the fervent national and regional levels of support of the Union game.

And now, back to the pads;

Signed,

William Webb Ellis 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 18, 2007, 12:46:17 PM
nice sayer. i think i will have to see that in the theater. i put off on seeing team america: world police and i have been kicking myself since.

i read somewhere those coaches got fired for:

a.) covering up a statutory rape case involving coache(s) with a student
b.) encouraging a gang rape of a high school girl to get fired up to play their rival.

i have no idea if these guy were convicted of the latter, but there are coaches in jail for obstruction of justice for the former charge. while the inner city can be a "vicous cycle," it doesn't mean that these coaches and teachers cannot try to stop that cycle once the kids are under their supervision. if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. those coaches are definitely part of the problem.

i love old school coaching as much as the next guy. finger in my chest many times during practice and getting screamed at for not doing my job, but i was never called a "b*tch a** m*th* f*ck*" and form tackled by my coaches. those guys are a joke. it seems they ran good drills and all of that during practice, too bad they didn't attend ethics conferences while they learned schemes.

i wonder if this actually works for pregame. sayer, you should implement this for pregame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dQQruAfio
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 18, 2007, 06:29:47 PM
NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 19, 2007, 09:45:39 AM
yeah, that was weird.

i am still a fan of the high school pregame where you go through all out hitting drills for 35 minutes before kickoff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on July 19, 2007, 10:15:08 AM
Quotei wonder if this actually works for pregame. sayer, you should implement this for pregame.

Perhaps Coach Blake would have been more successful at OU if he had used this pre game ritual.  ;D

Also think its humurous that this story consumed the ENTIRE sportscast....really alot going on in Aroma-ha...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 19, 2007, 10:24:16 PM
SloMo little funky Tom Osborne must love that.

Rumor was correct looks like Taylor is going to coach QB's and be the OC...might as well that spot can make or break you.

http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/football_QuickFacts_07.pdf?tname=defiance
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 19, 2007, 11:11:44 PM
i have never lied on this board, just ruffled feathers. if i wanted to lie i would tell you the browns will be in the super bowl this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 20, 2007, 01:00:44 PM
From some reason I can't get those utube links to come up!!! >:( 

On Taylor being QB's coach & OC will be interesting.  A defensive minded person switching sides.  One thing is for sure, they will be an aggressive offense in 07.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 20, 2007, 01:06:28 PM
too bad it appears Thomas More and Defiance will never play again....or at least as long as Tri-State continues to be terrible...then maybe a spot will open up when they get better.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 20, 2007, 01:54:03 PM
It kind of makes me feel special to be a DC alum when there is so much desire from another alum at a different school to rekindle the flame between two schools. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 21, 2007, 09:55:16 PM
Will the Defiance defense be as strong as it was last season?  After losing 8 or 9 starters and the D-Coor. that has to be tough to recover from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 22, 2007, 04:07:53 AM
i have heard through a person in the know, that defiance will be as tough or better this year.

the top three teams in the hcac (in my opinion from conversations in the off-season) will be (and in no particular order)

FC, MSJ, DC (although I am seriously hoping that FC wins it and gets the playoff birth this year).

heard some rumblings that hanover could be near the top once again.

i haven't heard anything about the other schools. what have you guys heard?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 22, 2007, 11:29:15 AM
I don't know... it is tough for me to imagine that losing that many key players and the D-Coor.  And still be as good or better thank they were???  We'll see!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 22, 2007, 01:38:13 PM
i know, what you are saying. rumor has it they will be controlling the ball a lot more on offense to take the heat off the defense. as anybody knows, if you can run the ball (or move it for that matter) you have a chance to win. i'm sure taylor will be trying to keep opposing offenses off the field while his defense gets their feet wet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 22, 2007, 01:44:32 PM
Defiance has always been a strong defensive team, every year I have seen them play.  Even in the down years there defense still played it tough while the offense faltered.  Despite the changes and personell losses I would still anticipate a tough D.  With Taylor in charge of the offense I would expect some hard nosed play and a team that will play well fundamentally.  Obvioulsy it will be hard to follow up last years team, but I would imagine they will find a way to get it done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 22, 2007, 02:24:53 PM
Okayyyyy, I'll try it again. Hello, my name is Joe and I'm a computer dunderhead. I posted a few minutes ago and accidentally sent it to the MIAA board. So, here goes again. If you want to read the original post, go to the MIAA board because I have no idea how to cut and paste or even if you can on the board.

Good to be back. I forgot my password and it took me awhile to remember it. Also, I've been having some computer problems the past few months and every time I tried to post, I got booted off. I was beginning to think Pat didn't love me anymore. :-*

So how the hell is everybody? I miss football. I especially miss HCAC football. After 4 years and attending every home game (with one exception and then I attended a game at Adrian the next week to make up for it), my son, Richard #92, has graduated from DC with a degree in biz and economics. He and his g/f came down here to Florida after graduation, promptly got engaged and he's working in management with Publix and she's just starting grad school. Poor guy, the closer it gets to football season, the more restless he gets. I will say this is the thinnest I've seen him in years. It's tough enough being a former college football player's dad. I can only imagine what he's going through. He's talking about helping the local high school with some badly needed defensive coaching on a volunteer basis. Personally, I think it'd be funny as hell to see the DC slash and burn defense unleashed on a bunch of small high schools offenses.

I think Adawgisadawgforlife is mostly correct. DC lost some horses on defense this year, especially the ones up front. The replacements and underclassmen are looking good. I don't think they'll start as strong as they were last year but they'll come along as the season progresses. The secondary will still be pretty formidable, having retained some of its firepower. Will the D be as good as last year? Maybe not this year, since it was said that last year was the best they've looked in many years but the foundation is there for it.

Offensively, the new O-line coach came in and did some tightening up, especially in the fitness department. Look for them to be leaner, quicker and more agile. The big question now is whether Vetter can do it. I say last year was a combination of sophomore slump and overblown ego. If he comes out in the first game playing like he did his freshman year, watch out. If he comes out in the first game throwing pics like he did last year, it'll be another year of hunker down and wait for the shelling to stop. I do believe the offensive scheme this year will be better suited to him. There is some good talent at RB and some key receivers in Dillon, Allen and Curtis returning.

I hope someone can kick and punt this year. Haven't heard anything about that.

How's it stack up in my eyes? Franklin comes out early in first place and will be hard to knock out. Not impossible but hard. Their D improved a lot toward the end of the season last year and it showed. Anderson is DOA. Bluffton and ManU - same as it ever was. MSJ - I don't see them doing great things this year but it's always foolish to bet against their program too hard. TriState - a little improvement. Hanover. Someone said they might make it way up in the charts. I don't see it. I'm saying fourth or fifth. I'd be more concerned about RHIT.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

God, I miss DC already and I didn't even go there. We will be going up for a couple of games. Plus, the prez's office spoke with me awhile back about MAYBE doing some guest lecture stuff this year. Sounds like fun if it works out and maybe I can trade for air fare and football tickets.

Good to be back. I hate baseball 'cause it ain't baseball anymore. Barry who?

PS: I saw an old post about MSJ QB from last year getting in trouble. Did he? What happened?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2007, 02:44:35 PM
Glad you got through and glad to see you're still coming around even after your son graduated! That's one of the best ways the Division III fan base can grow, not just by players remaining fans but their parents as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 22, 2007, 08:52:18 PM
just got back from the alumni golf outing and got all of the scoop..........but after about 40 beers i cant remember any of it so sorry a short post :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 23, 2007, 11:58:21 AM
Brett Dietz was in the most recent ESPN magazine in their discussion of AFL players with potential to make an NFL roster.  Even had his picture, so at the very least he's getting some national pub and representing the HCAC well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 23, 2007, 12:43:42 PM
god, deitz absolutely killed franklin for a few years. just killed them. he is a great qb.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 23, 2007, 04:47:38 PM
He's either very cerebrial or just unbelievably talented. I know Arena isn't complicated when it comes to reading defenses, but as SaintsFan mentioned, was AFL2's Rookie of the Year last year and was Tampa Bay's 4th, that's right, 4th QB of the season and went 7-1 as a starter prior to losing to CBus in the playoffs. To switch teams, philosophies, etc. every year and still be successful is pretty amazing, even if it is Arena.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 23, 2007, 07:29:42 PM
Okay, coming in late to the thread here. Wasn't Dietz Hanover's QB? I'm trying to picture him. I'm thinking he graduated in 2003, which would've been my son's first year at DC. If he's the same QB I'm thinking about, I wondered what happened to him. He had the stuff, for sure. How many Arena League QB's have made the leap to the NFL other than Warner?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 23, 2007, 07:41:23 PM
I don't think many QB's have made a 'successful' leap to the NFL. With NFL Europe folding, it will be interesting to see the interaction of the NFL and AFL. It's hard to imagine the AFL as a developmental league, but, where do you play if you can't make The League? The options are limited so I think you'll be seeing more NFL teams coming to the AFL looking for talent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 23, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
sayer all depends on the coaching staff.  after my 1 year playing i still have no freaking clue what the plays are but it was damn near a novel to call a play for the dueschbag who was our OC/HC.  he basically called out a blocking scheme, motion per reciver, and route per reciver on every play vs just somethign simple like 490 Smash  it would be something like Slide left X zip 99, y cross 91, Z 90 Cross double cant remember the rest on 3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 24, 2007, 08:03:29 AM
What did you guys do when he said "can't remember the rest on first sound"????


Jacketsfan,

He was #15....was the very precise QB, and dissected defenses.  Came out of Covington Catholic High School, which has a history of producing great HS QB's who've won the state title....but I don't think he did. 

So to recap....#15 Hanover jersey, tall, kind of built....and didn't wear any rings until he was at Hanover and they won the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 24, 2007, 08:55:26 AM
built? i don't think i'd say that.

oh yeah, and the dissecting defenses is correct. if you mean having joe namath back there ripping your defense to the tune of 400 yards and 4 tds before the double reverse throwback pass, that was him. he threw a great ball, great deep ball also. you usually don't see a great deep ball from precise throwers, but he did.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 24, 2007, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 24, 2007, 08:03:29 AM
So to recap....#15 Hanover jersey, tall, kind of built....and didn't wear any rings until he was at Hanover and they won the HCAC. 

Sounds like SaintsFan is recapping the next QB Commercial superstar. He was good and I don't think he was ever the HCAC offensive player of the year due to Joel Steele. Which is a joke, not because he was necessarily better than Steele, but because Hanover won the HCAC his Junior and Senior year. Not Anderson. They both put up similar numbers, but Steele couldn't beat Hanover when Dietz was their QB.

And in N. KY, Covington Catholic is a very, very good football program. They consistently produce great teams and players. My freshman year, when I had no idea who Dietz was, I looked over the program and saw that he played at Cov. Cath. Instantly I knew he was a good player because of where he was from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 24, 2007, 02:14:17 PM
Didn't Kurt Warner come from the AFL?

JacketsFan-great to see you back & posting.

70dcalum- I see after you lost all of that weight you are now a light weight when it comes to drinking. :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCC_alum62 on July 24, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 24, 2007, 02:14:17 PM
Didn't Kurt Warner come from the AFL?

JacketsFan-great to see you back & posting.

70dcalum- I see after you lost all of that weight you are now a light weight when it comes to drinking. :D

Yes Kurt Warner played in the AFL, he went to college at Northern Iowa
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 24, 2007, 09:43:04 PM
Thank you, SaintsFAN. I thought he was the one. My guess is that Dietz could've played at a higher level in college. He had a big arm. He was accurate. He played smart. I don't remember how well he ran the ball but he was terror through the air. How was he on his feet? I only saw him play that one time and then he graduated. I was also very impressed with Joel Steele. I'd forgotten about him. How could you not be a great QB with a name like that? I think the Ravens thought Chris McKee would be the answer to Steele. He did look pretty good the first year I saw DC play Anderson with McKee at QB. But I noticed he had a tendency to hang in the pocket a little too long and I knew that it was only a matter of time before DC's defense sniffed that out. And they did.

The senior that started as Rose Hulman's QB last year, Cameron Hummel, I think his name was, looked promising but went out early in the season. Is he the one who got his arm broken playing DC? His replacement was a freshman, Eric Keitel or whatever his name was didn't look too shabby for a freshman QB either. I think RHIT could be a dark horse this year and might surprise some people.

dc_has_been - it's good to be back on the board, bro. I don't know why I take these extended sabbaticals the way I do. I always miss you bunch of miscreants and reprobates. Victory-bell, I see you're still looking as dapper as ever. I think the HCAC is easily within reach of Franklin this year, especially if you can keep Rupp healthy.

I hate baseball. I watched Eight Men Out the other night for the umpteenth time. Now THAT was real baseball. I can't figure why Major League Baseball keeps Shoeless Joe Jackson out of the Hall of Fame. All he did was take the money. He had no part in throwing the game. The Sox did as well as they did after the fix mostly because of Jackson. Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds and all the other steroid sucking posers will get into the Hall of Fame. Screw the commission, Major League Baseball sucks.

Gawd, college football season can't start soon enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 25, 2007, 11:21:01 AM
baseball is boring, the but the bronx is burning is great. i recommend it.

deitz could run pretty good, i think he was also a basketball player at hc. brett could have and should have played at a higher level. any one of the IAA lehighs or such would have nabbed him, any number of D2's would have loved to have a qb like him. i am sure the university of indianapolis could have used his skill during his tenure in college. teams that have qb's like him usually win a lot of games. (yes pat, mount union has good qb's!!) look at the weapons deitz had at hc during his time there, not many schools have that pool of talent to throw to like he did. i am glad they have all graduated and FC is pretty darn good now, turning the tables on the talent pool.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 25, 2007, 09:03:32 PM
Franklin - 33 votes in D3football preseason poll, MSJ has 16.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 25, 2007, 11:04:06 PM
I think having 2 teams getting that many votes each is a big plus for the HCAC.  Now all we have to do is get some W's in post season action. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 01:32:55 AM
the HCAC has been getting better, gaining national notoriety, and evening out. i applaud all of the coaches in the HCAC for making it a better place to live.

and yes, i agree 100%, all we need is that first playoff win to start our march to the championship game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 01:55:44 AM
i will say i agree with the PRESEASON top 25 except for wabash. FC beat them last year, and you can argue, well whatever. We'll have a huge contest with them to get some of this squared away. talk is cheap, frog is leap, acdc has big balls, but i have the biggest balls of them all.

obviously, some of the schools out west throw me for a loop. I just don't know that much about them. does anybody else out there know the low down?

sayer, try this one out for the squad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQHw3_Prs0

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 26, 2007, 09:39:26 AM
victory,

I know Thomas More played Chapman a few years back during a two game home and home series....Thomas More was playing pretty good football then, and Chapman's record left something to be desired (against the SCIAC schools) and they played Thomas More very, very tough....beating the Saints in Orange, CA and taking TMC to the wire the next year at home. 

To summarize....if not for the Mt. Union run, the West would have multiple titles and like the PAC 10, without the coverage that is given to the Eastern Teams (Not D3football's fault...its tough to cover leagues 3,000 miles away), many teams are underestimated by fans east of the Mississippi River, but NOT underrated by Pats staff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on July 26, 2007, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 01:55:44 AM
i will say i agree with the PRESEASON top 25 except for wabash. FC beat them last year, and you can argue, well whatever. We'll have a huge contest with them to get some of this squared away. talk is cheap, frog is leap, acdc has big balls, but i have the biggest balls of them all.

It isn't that crazy...Wabash brings back their entire defense (including a two-time AA) which was light years better at the end of the year than the D that went to Franklin last season, as well as the nation's leader in passing efficiency and all of his favorite targets.  An 8-2 team with that much coming back will get votes. 

I posted this elsewhere, but I believe that a lot of voters have Wabash and Franklin ranked fairly evenly and I think the winner of that game will get a boost in the rankings at the expense of the loser's votes.  If Franklin goes to Wabash on the 8th and leaves with a win, I think they'll get into the top 25.  If not, there should be an investigation. 

This game on 9/8 is going to be a great game.  I think both of these teams will be very good this fall. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 11:49:09 AM
wally, right on. i am already anticipating a huge game there. great crowd, loud stadium, two teams ranked at or damn near the top 25. i have to go now, my pulse is going up as i think about it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 26, 2007, 11:55:48 AM
SaintsFan- That was a great game vs. Chapman.  It was nice getting to go to that game since Chapman is only a hour away from me. 
If only the halfback pass was completed at the end of the game you guys could have flew home w/ a W.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 27, 2007, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 01:55:44 AM
i will say i agree with the PRESEASON top 25 except for wabash. FC beat them last year, and you can argue, well whatever. We'll have a huge contest with them to get some of this squared away. talk is cheap, frog is leap, acdc has big balls, but i have the biggest balls of them all.

obviously, some of the schools out west throw me for a loop. I just don't know that much about them. does anybody else out there know the low down?

sayer, try this one out for the squad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQHw3_Prs0

That was awsome. I liked when the smaller midget did a handstand and kicked the other midget in the face...that was the best.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 27, 2007, 09:57:08 PM
Speaking of getting votes for the top 25. Little Mississippi College goes 5-5 last year and a combined 3-17 the previous two years and I see they have nine votes. Is that because they beat Millsaps, which beat Trinity? I mean, improving your season to .500 after sucking hind tit three or four years in a row is all well and good but how does it get you nine votes for the D3 Top  25? They did put a shellacking on Millsaps - which, incidentally, recruited my son pretty hard. And Millsaps did put it on Trinity so maybe that's how they pulled it off (knocking off a team that knocked off a Top 25 team).

Ugh! I ate too many fajitas. I gotta got take some Tums. I just blew a smoking hole in my fruit of the looms.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 10:13:54 PM
They're predicted to finish third in the ASC -- third-best in the ASC is traditionally a pretty good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 28, 2007, 09:13:01 AM
my 2 year old thought the cart-wheel midget kick was hilarious...probably should not have shown it as now he wants to beat the crap out of the dog
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 28, 2007, 05:36:07 PM
haha, that's classic.

look at what they make the prisoners do everyday at this prison in the phillipines. i guess whatever keeps them from raping or killing innocent people, i'm in favor of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 29, 2007, 01:06:02 PM
I'm going to send that clip over to MTV for a new reality t.v. show, "Making the Band; Prison Style"!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 29, 2007, 02:57:02 PM
i want to know who the people are clapping and cheering for them behind the camera. it's weird.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 30, 2007, 08:33:45 AM
hasbeen,

No kidding.  I remember that...it was Halloween Weekend (all the ladies were dressed up at the 'bars' on Hermosa Beach) and the Angels were closing out the Giants a few miles away in the series....

Too bad we didn't get to meet up... we ended up having a great time despite the fact we lost.  I think the HB pass went in and out of the intended receiver's hands right? 

That night got a little crazy and two of us missed our 12 noon flight out of LAX the next day(which isn't all that hard to do)....and they ALL want to go back (even the now-married ones) for Halloween in the city of Angels.  Me?  I experienced Halloween last year in Las Vegas at Dennis Rodman's party @ Tangerine.   Either is fine, but if I had to choose, I'd take Vegas. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 30, 2007, 01:18:18 PM
SaintsFAN- The ball was a little underthrown but should have been caught & went for 6!

Vegas is crazy as well, but if you want to experience an intense Halloween you need to go to Hollywood instead of Hermosa Beach or Vegas.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 30, 2007, 04:22:35 PM
If we had gone to Hollywood (like the football team did after the game), we would have gone to jail.....the guys that were with me are afraid of nothing..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 31, 2007, 06:04:49 PM
HCAC represented in the preseason All American poll.
Nick Cass, Sr., Defiance

So if I was to take a vacation next year in San Diego, where would I want to be? A buddy of mine  and his brother live there, but I'm lazy and currently do not have a phone near.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2007, 06:57:29 PM
"Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina."-Ron Burgundy
Also the the gaslamp district in San Diego is always a good spot for eating, drinking, & entertainment.  Go to gaslamp.org to get more info.  It gives you a whole list of things to do & tells you what is close by too. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 01, 2007, 11:03:17 AM
Adam,

Take some time in SD to patronize an OSU alum's business as well - Stone Brewery.
Some awfully tasty concoctions come out of those vats, like Arrogant B*st*rd and their IPA.

Viva suds with an attitude!  ;D

Signed,

"Old Guardian"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 01, 2007, 11:47:06 AM
adam,

whatever you do in San Diego, DO NOT go to TJ (Tijuana)....people dont' come back from there.

Don't take a vacation there....move there.  You'd be happy with your decision.  Perfect weather, and lots of stuff to do.....am I missing something?  Oh yeah....hot and crazy chicks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 01, 2007, 11:32:08 PM
are there a lot of great whites off the coast? or is that up by san fran? jaws has ruined the ocean for me, but i like to watch the water.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 02, 2007, 08:22:34 AM
Probably not ALOT, but there's a chance you'd see some in the waters off San Diego. 

They do like tropical climates more...which means South of San Diego along Baja California.


I am late for my interview with discovery channel....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 02, 2007, 11:37:46 AM
it is shark week, i can probably get this info by watching discovery 24 hours a day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 02, 2007, 11:57:15 AM
Once was surfing in Malibu & there was all sorts of activity w/ the coast guard & lifeguards & everyone thought it was a drowning.  Turned out there were two baby great whites that were swimming around.  It was also nice to know the "pups" were 6 feet long.  Not bad for babies!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 02, 2007, 04:00:08 PM
i just saw a special on the sharks. turns out most great white attacks on people are because they assume they are sea lions and come from underneath to investigate. the only way to find out is to bite into them since they have no hands. usually that means you lose a limb or die. oh, and the great whites aren't very agile but are one of the fastest sharks. been timed up 37mph in the water.

also, the bulls sharks are responsible for the most deaths and can live in fresh water for up to 4 years. it was the shark scare in 1916 along the new york/new jersey where the bull sharks forced people off the beaches and into the inlets and rivers only to find 3 people being killed in one day miles up the river. apparently they have super rediculous livers that can process both types of water and get their oxygen. the one guy estimated hundreds of bull sharks in a river 90 miles inland in one small area. puts things in perspective a little bit. even more so when you consider a bull shark was taken from the mighty mississipp in st. louis!!!!!

mako (sp?) is the most aggessive. they are smaller off the coast of california but grow to 12-14 feet in the gulf. they have also been timed going 40 mph in the water, the only good thing is that their horrifying set of teeth and their non picky diet stay out in much deeper waters and stay away from most coasts.  very aggressive animals.

my last notation on the sharks took place on mythbusters (sorry, i really got into shark week yesterday) and they tested the great white myths from jaws.

1.) great white can crash through a cage and eat somebody. True. at 500+ lbs and traveling over 30 mph, the shark can destroy a cage and you. and it's nose is made of very hard cartillage that makes it a battering ram.
2.) GW can destroy a boat by crashing into it. True. at 500+ lbs and hitting a wooden bottom boat, you may not be in for a good day fishing.
3.) roy scheider can blow a GW up by shooting the oxygen tank. False. The bullet from the Italian bolt action style rifle just blow a hole straight through it and turns it into a torpedo. It could probably scare the fish off though.
4.) GW can take the buoys down below water and hold them there. False. can take them down, but not for long.

it was 2-2 for mythbusters and jaws when i fell asleep. i didn't see the last one. either way, they are some dangerous animals. sorry for the long drawn out post on sharks, but it is shark week.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 02, 2007, 04:38:44 PM
Has Been - if i remember correctly there are some Pics and Videos of you in the Gas Lamp District durign Madi Gras when we were running around there with beads looking like Mr. T

i am sure your soon to be Wife would love a copy of those.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 02, 2007, 05:28:08 PM
Ah memories!  I especially remember leaving w/ an empty neck of beads after that evening. ;D  I'm also sure my fiance has better documented pics & vids of me ;). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 02, 2007, 07:56:33 PM
actually she posted those online.  go to sublimedirectory.com and search "gay"

Sayer if you are looking to drop a dime go to LaJolla for dinner there are a lot of great restaurants...pricey but unbelievable.  Marine Room sits on the beach at the cove crowd is a little "old" but the waves crash against the dining room window with dolphins swiming in the wild.  Ricks on the Cove is also great.  you can easily immpress the Puntang taking them out there.  drop me a line when it gets closer we are always hosting clients out there and i can find some spots for you.

if you just want to get sick to your stomach go north out of mission beach oon the side streets and it will take your through the neighborhoods around LaJolla every house has either a Ferrari or Lambo in the driveway. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 02, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
What a bunch of tee wah tees! Sharks! Omigod! Come on, you wimps!

Any self respecting surfer ain't gonna let the guys in the gray suits keep him out of the water any more than any self respecting football player ain't gonna let the prospects of a concussion or fractured neck keep them off the football field. I got a coupla fingers munched two weeks ago trying to retrieve a fish hook from a hammerhead's mouth. Not an extremely large hammerhead but he made my hand bleed pretty nice. I've been followed to the beach by the landlord so many times I can't even begin to count the number of times. Two buddies and mine and one of their wive's were doing a dawn patrol together down here a few years back. We'd been surfing about thirty minutes when Kathy says, "Uh, guys, there are sharks over here." Her husband looks over at her and laughs and says, "Well, babe, paddle your ass over here with us. We ain't seen one yet." There were six big ones near her - the biggest about nine feet long and the smallest about three and half feet. A little bastard nipped me on top of my left foot about fifteen years ago. If the waves are really cranking, I'm paddling out. If I see sharks, I count myself lucky. It's the ones you don't see that nail you anyway and there ain't squat you can do to totally avoid it but stay out of the water. Not an option if you like to surf as much as I do. I will say that bullies make my ass pucker. They're mean and aggressive and they don't give up. They like to shove you before laying into you. That's the really scary ass part. If one shoves you, you're fixin' to get bitten and the best you can hope for is that it's not big enough to do you much damage. A bull bit one of my elderly neighbors in half a few years back. He jumped into the canal for his afternoon swim and landed in a school of bullies feeding on stingrays. A ten footer chomped him across the middle and literally bit him in two. He bled out and died right there while his wife and son stood on the dock and watched.

Anyone wanna go surfing with me? I've got extra boards and extra rooms and sweet spots galore.

Congrats to Nick Cass! You da Man!

Sayer, while in San Diego, go to the Zoo. It rocks. The Gas Lamp District is cool. Rent a car and drive up PCH all the way to Huntington Beach. Beautiful Drive. Especially around La Jolla and Torrey Pines and that area.

Surfing's good in Mission Beach. Beware of sea lions. They can be aggressive. La Jolla surfers are pretty territorial. San Diego surfers are laid back for the most part, as are those up around Oceanside. The guys at Trestles can be real nazis toward outsiders.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 03, 2007, 10:32:08 AM
i really don't want to get bit in half. holy crap that's frightening!

it's funny hearing a surfer's point of view as compared to mine. i watch shark week and know that surfers like to go early in the morning for the waves, like when sharks go to start eating. the two don't mix for me. yet, you say it's a great time. and seem to show very little fear over it. or maybe the right amount of fear to keep you alive.

i would compare that with a broken neck and i think it was a fair comparison. most people won't play football with a broken neck, well, unless you are LT in ANY GIVEN SUNDAY and you play for the Sharks.

"that's football gentlemen...."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 03, 2007, 01:07:37 PM
jacketfan,

thats quite a story....what a terrible way to go....imagine the screams..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 03, 2007, 02:03:08 PM
I was going to go shark feeding in Tahiti in a couple of weeks, but then I found out you float or stand in shallow water behind a secure rope while they bring out a few sharks to watch them feed.

Hopefully there will be some good scuba action by the reef when I'm out there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 03, 2007, 07:12:36 PM
Preseason poll is out: http://www.heartlandconf.org/Football/football.htm 
Very close between MSJ & Franklin for the top notch going to MSJ.  I was a little surprised by that b/c my opinion is that Franklin will be the team to beat, but MSJ has a great program w/ a tough defense & a running back that will be in the running for HCAC offensive MVP(again).  Other than that I pretty much agree w/ how the rest of the poll plays out. 
For DC the defense is going to be solid w/ a strong defensive backfield & linebacker core, but the dline will be a ? mark b/c of so many graduating seniors lost.  But they still have some playmakers on that side of the ball to get the job done.
For offense I feel like this might be the year that DC puts together a strong attack w/ a lot of experience on that side of the ball.  I really am looking forward to see what Coach Taylor is going to do w/ the offense w/ some dangerous weapons (Dillon, Allen, Curtis, & Vetter). 
I'm starting to get excited here w/ the season coming up quickly.  I can't get enough HCAC football out here on the left coast.  Let the educated smack talk begin!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 03, 2007, 07:38:44 PM
has-been, I mostly agree with your assessment of DC's defense this year. I think the secondary might even be a little better than last year's. But I gotta tell you, I'm really worried about the front. They lost everyone up front. Andrew Mickey got some action at nose last year but I think he's being moved to end this year. I don't know who they've got on the other end. One underclassman was really looking good as a potential NT but I think he transferred. He was a big guy and I think he had dreams of playing in a higher division. The secondary didn't get blocked last year because the guys upfront kept O-lines tied up all year. I just hope they've got some horses that can cover the front this year. Taylor has been very good at producing those. If he does again this year, I'll feel much more confident.

I don't know if I share your optimism about the offense, though. Vetter was totally off the mark all year last year. If he comes out floundering in game one, it could be an ugly repeat of last year. Dillon is a phenom but if he gets his noggin bumped again he may be done. Gary Allen is a playmaker, so that's a bright spot. Curtis has been there for them a few times but I think he could do better. I still don't know if they have anyone who can reliably kick and punt like they need. Field positioning killed us last year a few times. Still, if an amped up offense can buy a tough secondary time to help  some new D-linemen the time to get their feet wet, they might do something.

I think Franklin is the team to beat this year, too. Doubtless MSJ was picked largely on the strength of their being HCAC champs three years running, as well as the overall strength of their program.

I still say everyone needs to be very careful of RHIT. I think they can be dangerous. They came into a new conference last year and went 6-4.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 04, 2007, 01:51:10 AM
Color me blown away by the fact that Hanover is ranked below RHIT.  Oh how the mighty have fallen. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 04, 2007, 05:02:37 PM
the mighty have fallen. msj used to be a doormat and are now considered one of the region's top teams. same with franklin and the rise of the program under mike leonard. however, i still wouldn't count hanover out in any football game. the head coach runs a good program and there is stability there.

i am very excited to see what franklin can do with this year and schedule. i know the wabash guys will be calling for revenge and the battle with msj each year has been great. the bell game is always a sure fire battle with the history between FC and HC. i am sure coach leonard and the staff will have the troops focused on each opponent. i'll be at the grotto lighting candles before each game.

too early to talk playoffs, long season coming up. i know i am expecting to be in or darn near the cusp of the playoffs once again. we'll talk about that later after some ball is played and things start to sort out.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 06, 2007, 12:18:20 PM
We were in Virginia Beach last week and I did a ton of fishin and swimming. The boat fish trip was nice. They took us about 2-3 miles out (water was 60-80 feet deep) and me and the ol lady caught about 50 fish together. Now, they weren't nothing to brag about. Mostly 6-8 inch Croakers, Spots, and Blue's, but there were about 4 baby sand sharks (2-3 pounds) that were caught. I cordially took them, cleaned them and ate them. The trip was only $35 and was lots of fun. We're just talking about San Diego as a possibility. I've never been to Florida so that may be an option as well. I'd love to do some big game fishing which I'm assuming can be done either place. I'd love to learn to surf too, but 245 pounds is a lot to put on a board and I'd rather pass on being a 245 delicassy to a shark.

I'm a little surprised that MSJ is still voted to win the HCAC. With the turnover from the previous year and the rise of Franklin. But I guess since they've won it now 3 straight years, they should be voted first until someone knocks them off. It will help having Mike Lovell Pounding the Rock and Steve Wergers leading the blocking.

Unless you're MUC, seasons are like a pendulum (or if you're a math geek like me, seasons are like the graph of sin). Good years, average years, bad years, average years, good years. Wittenberg is the same way. The late 90's they didn't lose a game to a team not named MUC, not they're just a good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 06, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
if you really look at kehres' record at mount union, it is quite startling. i don't think there will ever be a guy who has achieved a career total as he has with as few losses. wow. sorry about the side topic, but i was on their website and it was a bit mind blowing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 06, 2007, 11:13:22 PM
246-20-3 & a .920 win percentage since 1986! :o  You ain't lying bout that victory.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 07, 2007, 02:16:55 PM
i like to think i took part in a couple of those...in the 246 (not in the 20!!!!).

Another couple of records involving MUC I mention at times.  Win #1 in the NCAA longest Winning Streak MUC over Defiance in 1996 and in the same game we set and NCAA record for most points in the shortest amount of time when we were winning 3-0 at the start of the second quarter and 14 seconds off the clock we are down 21pts...yes that is possible

toss sweep fubmle return 20yds for TD
KO Return fumble return 10yds for TD
KO Touchback
1st play INT return for TD

14 seconds off the clock and i realized why they put handles on socks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 07, 2007, 04:14:57 PM
wow, how does one do that? that is in record time. don't feel bad though, our offense didn't get on the field one time until a minute left in the first quarter. we were down 55-0 at that point. yeah, i thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2007, 04:46:09 PM
I still remember my introduction to college football which so happened to be against Mount Union.  I think their starting QB was in street clothes after the 1st quarter.  Plus I received a broken nose on my first carry of my college career.  I think I finished the game w/ 6 carries for -1 yard.  Good times I tell ya.

There also is a coach, Clair Bee, who had won 95% of his games over 20 years as a basketball coach at Long Island University.  Couldn't find his overall record there, but it still is amazing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 07, 2007, 05:05:55 PM
Ol' Larry has nothing on me. I'm undefeated as a college coach :)

Anyone know what the Wizard of Westwood's W-L record was while at UCLA?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2007, 06:07:03 PM
Just at UCLA Wooden was 620-147 including 10 national championships w/ 7 in a row plus an 88 game win streak.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 07, 2007, 08:59:56 PM
only other wierd one we had was Ohio Weslyan.

Opening KO
we drive 80yds Int for TD
KO
Drive 60yds INT for TD
KO
Drive 80 yds for TD
we finally KO
D goes 3 and Out
Punt Drive 80 Yds for a TD
halftime time of possesion is something like 28-2 and we missed and extra point wo we are down by 1 and i am so tired i wished i was dead.  we lost 21 to 20.

next year goes down almost the same way except we were up 7 when we threw 2 Pic 6 in a row and go down 14-7.  4 INT for TD in 2 seasons against 1 team...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 08, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
Man how long was this summer??  Anybody ready for football??

Temps outside remind me of the fall....

Thomas More will be playing their games off campus this year due to construction of the field.  Good things going on at the Crestview Hills school.   They are making an effort to have the alumni of the program more involved, the stadium plans are coming along and we have a new staff to be excited about. 

I look for the Saints to finish 2nd in the PAC, and turn some heads on 2007. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 03:24:12 PM
anybody have any insight on the other hcac teams besides msj, fc, and defiance?

i keep mixed things about hanover and nothing about the other teams. how do they all look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 08, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
Football!  Just saying it puts a smile on my face.  ;D  Can't wait to get the season started.  I think it will be an interesting season inside the HCAC.  I'm still convinced it will either be Franklin or MSJ to take top honors, but I do feel DC will be the team that spoils it for one or they other.  Bluffton did it to us in 2000.  

SaintsFan- wasn't TMC picked fourth in the preseason poll?  I would have thought 2nd or 3rd myself, but Waynesburg & Thiel are tough to overlook even though they each had a disappointing seasons last year.

Well, hopefully Manchester can get the HCAC off to a good start by beating Tri-state & the rest will follow in their nonconference action in the openning weeks.

Victory- If you got to the hearltand conference site you can get a little info from the preseason write up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 04:52:33 PM
Just some interesting Games in September to get the college football season off and going:

September 1st:

Appalachian State at Michigan

Georgia Tech at Notre Dame

Tennessee at California

September 6th

Oregon State at Cincinnati

September 8th

Miami (FL) at Oklahoma

Buffalo at Temple (Toilet Bowl)

Boise State at Washington

South Carolina at Georgia

September 13th

West Virginia at Maryland

September 15th

Tennessee at Florida

Notre Dame at Michigan

Ohio State at Washington

Arkansas at Alabama

September 20th

Texas A&M at Miami (FL)

September 22nd

Georgia at Alabama

Michigan State at Notre Dame

September 29th

Auburn at Florida

Maryland at Rutgers


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 05:16:59 PM
Big/Important HCAC Games:

September 1st

TMC at Hanover (Game #1 in the Jim Hilvert Era at TMC)

September 8th

Franklin at Wabash (Possibly the BIGGEST game of any HCAC team)

October 6th

Hanover at Mount Saint Joe (Always a physical brawl)

October 13th

Franklin at Mt. St. Joseph (90% chance of determining HCAC championship)

October 27th

Defiance at Mt. St. Joseph (IF MSJ beats FC, this game gets more interesting)

November 3rd

Defiance at Franklin (If FC beats MSJ, this game gets more interesting)

November 10th

Franklin at Hanover (If FC comes in needing a win for the HCAC title, this will be one of the best D3 games of the 2007 season)
   
Thomas More at Mt. St. Joseph (Jim Hilvert returns)
 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 08, 2007, 06:03:36 PM
September 1st:

Appalachian State at Michigan

this one caught my eye on my flight up to chicago this morning looking through Lindy's preseason mag.  that ASU offense is fun to watch and the QB is sick.  if UM does nto come to play that could eb the upset of the century and provide Has_been with somehtign he has been looking for "lloyd carr's head on a platter"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 06:15:21 PM
i agree that appy st is good. i am not buying that they have a snowballs shot in hell of beating the university of michigan though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 06:34:45 PM
3-6 Ball State went toe to toe with 9-0 Michigan in the Big House last year. I think ASU is a better team than BSU and if Michigan is thinking of using ASU as a warm up game, they will be beaten.

Anyone ever been to St. Simons Island? I'll be heading down there with my mom. Need some stuff to do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 10:30:01 PM
ok, but ball st is a IA football program. Appy st. is IAA. Division II teams often play IAA teams and play them well. There is a huge gap in talent from IAA to IA. while i love watching app st play, michigan can call them a warm-up, scrimmage, 7 on 7, flag, jv team and still easily coast to sound victory. imagine going from playing USC and all their talent, to a IAA team. from somebody who has seen these levels of play at a close, in your face level, i would say both sides involved know it's a scrimmage.

it is way different when you play a mac team, and even they don't compete. they'll be boise state in ten years, but not now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on August 08, 2007, 10:34:53 PM
Hanover has roughly 85 players coming into camp this year.  They have a decent QB or at least I think he has some potential.  It might be a long year.  On a side note, the fun police at HC kicked one of the fraternities off of campus which is a shame since they always had a heavy football player membership.  New guys can come on over across the street to Phi Delt though, former home of HC football legends such as Kevin O'Donahue, Tarrik Wilson, Brett Dietz, and of course, yours truly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 12:11:17 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 10:30:01 PM
ok, but ball st is a IA football program. Appy st. is IAA. Division II teams often play IAA teams and play them well. There is a huge gap in talent from IAA to IA. while i love watching app st play, michigan can call them a warm-up, scrimmage, 7 on 7, flag, jv team and still easily coast to sound victory. imagine going from playing USC and all their talent, to a IAA team. from somebody who has seen these levels of play at a close, in your face level, i would say both sides involved know it's a scrimmage.

it is way different when you play a mac team, and even they don't compete. they'll be boise state in ten years, but not now.

vbell:

For the most part, you are right.  However, what you describe is not always true.  You forget that people said that about Central Michigan when they beat Michigan State two years in a row.  I can guarantee you that was no fluke.  On occasion also, the MAC teams do beat a Big Ten team.  In fact, Joe Tiller was quoted as saying about 4 years ago or so that Big Ten teams shouldn't be playing MAC type teams due to the ramifications of potentially getting beat.  IMO, that's ridiculous - if they are so good (which, of course, they usually are), then they should beat the heck out of the MAC teams.  No reason not to have those games scheduled for non-conference games - even if a Big Ten team loses, they still have a chance at gaining a bowl game if they rebound, and especially with the proliferation of bowl games at present.  Yet, I agree with you in your analogies about the various levels playing each other - the majority of time, the upper level teams will win.  However, it is great when the others pull an upset on occasion.  I always root for the underdog ;D  Just MO 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 09, 2007, 08:45:31 AM
now THIS is more like it....

hasbeen,

I saw where they were picked 4th in the PAC.  I think alot of that has to do with the changes at TMC....new staff, replacing some key defensive players and OL.  I think the returnees will be ready and with a group of great freshman, the future is bright.  Back to this season....the Saints have a QB/RB tandem they are excited about...we'll see what happens on September 1st at Hanover. 

tricksnaps,

welcome back.  hopefully the "fun police" won't be deterring our drinking at the season opener.   Have you seen Wells recently?  Married with child...can't say I saw that coming. 

sayer,

looks like MSJ might have the last week circled on the calendar?  maybe a star or two as well?  As I said above, I'm looking forward to what this staff is able to do this year.  It is going to be a big change not seeing Coach Hallett on the sideline. 

Did someone mention Manchester winning against an out of conference opponent?  wow...that would open some eyes, even if it is Tri-State. 

I think your darkhorse/spoiler in the HCAC this year is going to be Hanover.   I think Defiance lost too much D in their defensive line, and jury is still out on the offense.  They've taken some drastic measures putting Taylor in charge of the O, and I think this may lead to the pressing to make plays as they are trying to get away from.  Hanover is going to be out to earn respect and that I think wins them 7 games this year....but not enough to win the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2007, 10:52:58 AM
I still disagree. Troy started off a couple years ago 2-0 beating 2 nationally ranked teams. Now they were DI and not DI-AA...BUT they had just made the switch a year or two previous.

When Marshall made the switch, they continued to have success playing DI ball and throwing players like Randy Moss, Chad Penington, and Byron Leftwich to name a few into the NFL.

Just because you play DI-AA doesn't mean you don't have talent to compete with DI. Troy and Marshall had DI-AA players on their rosters when they started playing DI games and still had successful years. There's a 95% chance Michigan will win. However, if ASU can play with them and gains confidence, this could be a nail biter and it wouldn't suprise me if Michigan lost.

Speaking of Michigan. Is anyone else drinking the Chad Henne Kool-Aide? He's been an average QB at Michigan for 3 years and now he's a Heisman hopeful? He's the 3rd best position player on his team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2007, 11:09:31 AM
I'm the biggest OSU fan on this board and I am stating bold and loud. Ohio State is not a top 10 team as they are ranked pre season. They should be in that 15-20 range. This is what I hate about DI football. OSU is ranked 10th for one reason. Recent success. 55-9 the last 5 years. Take out the 2004 year they are 47-5 (.903 win percentage). SICK!!!

Here's OSU's schedule:

09/01 YSU 
09/08 Akron 
09/15 at Washington
09/22 N'western 
09/29 at Minnesota 
10/06 at Purdue 
10/13 Kent St 
10/20 Mich St 
10/27 at Penn State 
11/03 Wisconsin
11/10 Illinois
11/17 at Michigan

It is VERY possible with the ease of this schedule, that they will be 11-0 going to Michigan.  And we all know Jimmy Tressel is 5-1 against Michigan beating them when he shouldn't have and beating them when he should have. The toughest game before Michgan will be Wisconsin at the Horseshoe 10 weeks into the season. Washington will be tough but Ty Willingham is still in the building years there. OSU can be 12-0 at the end of this campaign.

Is what this will do, if it happens, will screw mid-majors like Boise State, Utah, etc. who have great seasons and can't get into a BCS bowl or National Championship game. I would like it for more than the obvious reasons because it will put more pressure on bringing a playoff to DI football.

***Please note OSU does have USC, Cal, and Miami (FL) on the schedule for home and homes in the comming years. This easy non conference schedule is just a fluke and oddly enough, happend an at extremely opportuned time.***
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 09, 2007, 12:01:31 PM
"For the most part, you are right.  However, what you describe is not always true.  You forget that people said that about Central Michigan when they beat Michigan State two years in a row.  I can guarantee you that was no fluke.  On occasion also, the MAC teams do beat a Big Ten team."

100% correct. I think the MAC has really good football and some really good teams. I also think the MAC could give some of the larger conferences a run for their money. CMU had a quality program and they won. Miami has had great years. The MAC is good football!!! The Big Ten is really about OSU, Michigan, Penn St, Wisconsin. The other teams in the Big Ten haven't earned my respect to say they can whip on the little MAC teams. Heck, they even give the big ones some serious games. IMO they should do away with the BCS conferences because they are not doing the other conferences justice. Who is to say that CMU or BOISE ST can't win against a big time team? am i to believe that Kansas and Indiana can give them better competition than CMU, Boise St, Bowling Green, etc?

My only argument is that IAA is a big jump. Those teams that jumped up had planned accordingly and had the DI players in place. Usually they will recruit with that in mind, and that's part of their selling points to get the better players. However, in recent years this has happened:
A few D3 teams have POUNDED some very good D2 teams and some D2 teams have beaten some IAA's. I am not talking about the IAA non-scholly's either.

20 years ago I would have said you are crazy. But with the scholarship reductions, you have finally seen the shift in college football where the former little guys can get the players they need to compete on the national scene. It has taken some time to work it's way out, but it has been great for college. IMO the college football game would be improved dramatically by getting rid of the BCS tag and allowing the teams to recruit the same players. we all know that when FSU or USC or OSU recruits, the BCS and the national title is part of their selling points. Take that away and every team can say they will have an opportunity to play for the national championship. The scholarships evened out has helped, but they are still hampering the nonBCS conferences with the BCS tag. If that happens, you will see many more of the non traditionals competing. i am really pulling for the playoff system because i think it will finally level the playing field in DI to a truly fair system of play. then i guess the recruiting will come down to stadium size, tradition, starting a tradition, and the ever growing arms race in football ammenities to attract these athletes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 09, 2007, 02:49:27 PM
victory,

it doesn't count if the Big 10 team in question was coached by John L. Smith!

sayer,

I truly believe that Kentucky State is going to beat the Buckeyes this year...wait...thats Kent State?  OK. 

honestly, I think all the offense they lost is going to catch up with them early on.  They'll lose twice and beat up on Ann Arbor, again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 09, 2007, 03:51:51 PM
sure it does, john L came highly recommended as a top notch football coach. sadly, he has dropped off some, but it counts. it counts like when you play strip poker and the hot girls win and you are stuck with the lardbacca to stare at. it's not right, but those are the way it plays out sometimes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2007, 04:49:23 PM
D3 football. Strip poker, fun in the sun, and football. Nothing better. Found some interesting points in VBell's comment.

"IMO the college football game would be improved dramatically by getting rid of the BCS tag and allowing the teams to recruit the same players. we all know that when FSU or USC or OSU recruits, the BCS and the national title is part of their selling points. Take that away and every team can say they will have an opportunity to play for the national championship. The scholarships evened out has helped, but they are still hampering the nonBCS conferences with the BCS tag. If that happens, you will see many more of the non traditionals competing."

I think this is an interesting point and could work out and even things up a little bit, but it would take a lot of time. Sure, some new blood emerges every now and then and lasts for a couple years but overall programs are established. Ohio State, Southern Cal, Texas, Florida, Michigan, etc. Teams who even when they have a down year are usually 8-4/9-3 and still bidding for a solid bowl (unless your in trouble like OU). Other than Boise State and TCU, mid majors typically have 1 or 2 great years and then they play average ball for a couple years before having another breakout year. Many times you also have to wonder at the difficulty of the schedule and if that plays into some of the rare mid-major success stories. Look up TCU's schedule and W-L record since 2002 on espn.com and tell me if they played in the Big East, a conference not even listed among the best BCS conferences, if they would be close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2007, 11:35:25 AM
"To the Liberty Bowl!"
"L- Yes!"

Tricksnaps is probably the only one that gets this...

Word is John L is back in Louisville living off the money the Spartans threw away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2007, 12:13:02 PM
Michigan State should just accept the fact that they will always be in the shadow of Michigan & just try to get those diamonds in the rough for a recruiting stand point.  They are wasting money on coaches the same way the Lions do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 10, 2007, 12:31:19 PM
I partly agree, but people said the same words or worse about Rutgers and look where they are. It's always possible for a team to have one good year and sometimes that's all it takes. If Michigan State can muster a top 10 ranking and a 11-2/10-3 record, that gives there recruiting a solid backbone. Is Dantonio the man to do it. I don't know but I would assume he's a better coach than John L Smith who had the talent at MSU to win some ball games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2007, 02:31:48 PM
Rutgers also is the only MAJOR college program in the state of New Jersey....NOT a hotbed for HS Talent, I know...but still.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 10, 2007, 02:47:09 PM
New Jersey can't be that bad in high school talent, JoePa recruited HEAVILY there for thousands of years before the new millenium.

One good thing about Michigan St. football that you couldn't say about the former Rutgers teams, they pack over 80,000 in Spartan stadium each saturday. They also have some very good years and WIN bowl games. They are just so incosistent and when you have Michigan (for the most part) being so consistent over the decades, you mauy play second fiddle. On a curious note, Michigan State was pretty darn good during the 60's when Michigan was down. And they did have a solid 1980's. Most fans will tell you that the state of Michigan is split on who to root for, the Snobby Wolverines or the Blue Collar Spartans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2007, 04:18:20 PM
victory,

JoePA hit up mostly Northern NJ....namely Hoboken, Newark and the surrounding areas of NYC.  Have you seen the Sopranos?  when they go to central and southern NJ to dump a body, they were doing that down there for a reason....nobody around.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 11, 2007, 02:24:04 AM
That lines up with me. I'm blue collar and will never root for the wolverines. Even if God himself is a Michigan fan, I will hate them. I do hope someone from the Big Ten steps up. Word around is Zooker has a very solid class at Illinois.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 03:43:11 AM
Saintsfan:

Part of Coach Schiano's(sp?) strategy in turning Rutgers around was actually keeping the in state talent in state.  Oddly enough New Jersey does push out some very good football players on a yearly basis and he has amazing success in recruiting them.  Obviously his ties in the Miami area help as does the fact that you will see Rutgers billboards in the Miami-Dade area.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 11, 2007, 02:51:46 PM
florida recruiting is key because there are so many players there! i don't think the florida football player is better, i think there are a lot more players. hence, you will find more good football players. you are right about the hoboken area, paterno has owned that in the past. 

zook has a super awesome class coming in. word on the street is that he is bringing in a class like tressell did at osu. now, if he can keep it up and win, illinois could be the next big thing.

i have only watched some of the sopranos, what i know of new jersey is based off the movie snake eyes.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2007, 09:17:37 AM
VBell agree that for the most part there is a big jump from 1AA to Bowl Series, BUT there is just as large if not larger a jump from the top 5-10 (depending on year not always  more than a handful) in 1AA from the rest of 1AA.  why becuase there a handful of programs that scrounge 1A players.  you get caught smoking dope at Michigan and get kicked out you finish your career at 1AA.  when my brother coached at Western Illinois they were all 1A players.  they had 4 guys drafted his last year.  with the best being Mr Edgerton Hartwell now of the Cincy Bengals, their corner was the nickel corner for Michigan when they one the national championship.  2 of the 4 guys drafted were Jr's.

App State is one of the best 1AA teams in the last 20 years.  they should beat anyone in the MAC, they should lose to Michigan by 28, but if Michigan takes week one off they will be in a dog fight.  App state offense will put up 30+ pts even is Michigan plays well.    no different than if Mount Union was playing the bottom of D2 i would take MUC, if they played Grand Valley they would have a chance if Grand Valley was not hitting on all cylinders
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 12, 2007, 11:02:56 AM
i think you guys need to spend some time at the IAA and IA practices, or D3 and D2 practices. Mount would beat a lot of AVERAGE DII teams, they wouldn't touch the top 25. mount union may not even beat the DII's in their own state!! and please don't say Urbana or Malone. I am talking Ashland, Findlay, Tiffin.  Last time GVSU played a IAA playoff team, they beat them pretty sound at home. GVSU gets IA transfers who played IA ball. not the IA guys who were either walk-ons or 4th stringers. Mount gets a lot of transfers who fall into the latter, from what i have been told. of course, you have your exceptions, but you get my point. mount still puts a team on the field with mostly solid D3 players and above average D3 players who transfer in. it's a good combo to win with. Grand Valley wins with above average D2 players, and a good core of DI transfers to compliment that.

there is just a large bridge to cross when you jump up a division. you are dealing with scholarships, expectations of the program (GVSU runs their program like a big ten program, not for the DIII experience), a different brand of athlete (for good or bad), and the resources of playing scholarship football.

i think app st is awesome for IAA. i think IAA has been watered down the last 5 years, and i think michigan will crush them and send them back to reality land. if i am wrong, i will come on here, apologize, let you all flog me, dump mayonaise on me, and dump me in the pit with 300 lb women and donuts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 12, 2007, 12:22:39 PM
vitorybell:

Zook has always been a great recruiter, even at Florida he had no trouble with the recruiting aspect.  It has been turning the talent into W's that he has had a hard time with.  I would love to see a competitve Illinois again, whats it been 6 years since they were relevant, back when they had Kurt Kitner and were winning games?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
my guess is win or lose you will still be up for volunteering for "dump mayonaise on me, and dump me in the pit with 300 lb women and donuts."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 12, 2007, 10:33:31 PM
vbell:

I agree with most of what you say; although minor exception - Mount Union, IMO, would beat Tiffin and Findlay.  I've seen them play and quite frankly, Findlay has not been that good of recent and while Tiffin has markedly improved their program as DII, Mount's best teams of recent would beat them.  Now Ashland is a different story - they are better than most people think and have improved.  I also think that Mount would hold their own against, say, Mich Tech, Northern MI, Mercyhurst, Gannon, Wayne State and perhaps even Hillsdale, these being the lesser successful DII Great Lakes teams of recent.  GVSU, SVSU, Ferris, Northwood Mount would give a good game, but have a tough time beating them most likely.

As far as the DIAA's, I think you are right.  Many of us have had these discussions in the past.  I would just add, however, that DIAA non-scholarship is not always just high tier type DIII football.  On occasion, those former scholarship giving schools do well against other scholarship programs - San Diego beat Yale in Harbaugh's last year as head coach quite handly as I recall and Ivy League is no slouch DIAA football.  Yet, for the most part (with the exception of the Montana State type fluke that happened last year), I agree with you about the DI vs. DIAA aspect.  Still, IMO, it is great to see those occasional upsets.  Thanks for your opinion on the topic. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2007, 09:13:21 AM
formerd3db,

hope things are well.  IMO, Mount would beat Northwood handily....and i think you are right on with everything else.  Talent may be about the same, but you also have to look at coaching. 

someone start filling that mayonnaise tub for V-bell.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2007, 09:14:14 AM
this also reminds me....


is Ditka coaching any of the teams involved??  That would change my answer...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 01:44:01 PM
i would gladly take a tub of mayo and 300 pound chicks. what could be better? more girl, more love.

"I also think that Mount would hold their own against, say, Mich Tech, Northern MI, Mercyhurst, Gannon, Wayne State and perhaps even Hillsdale, these being the lesser successful DII Great Lakes teams of recent.  GVSU, SVSU, Ferris, Northwood Mount would give a good game, but have a tough time beating them most likely."

dear lady of victory, pray for us. is this DIII pride or some honest opinions here? i like to follow the midwest football a lot, and i will offer this before i am dumped in mayo and dangled in front of the chubby women. or at least offered up as a sacrifice to oprah. there is no way that mount will hold a game against the GVSUs/SVSUs/FSUs/Northwoods of the GLIAC. it wouldn't even be a good game. it would be great to see the DIII champ play the DII champ for a great PR stunt, that's it.  for one, they recruit DI players and really high end DII players. they get a lot of DI transfers. they play the toughest schedules in the nation at DII. they are used to playing really big fast mean people each week. mount plays in the OAC. while it is great DIII football, the GLIAC is the best in DII. forget that findlay, gannon, and mercyhurst haven't dented the gliac in eons, mount would be in severe trouble against the rest of the conference.

nobody likes and respects what mount union is more than me, i think the world of them as a program and their tradition. it will never be duplicated in our lifetimes. the bottom line is the GLIAC has more players going to the NFL and CFL each year than DIII has in the past 10 years, or pretty darn close to it. besides the turdburglers in the lower portion of the GLIAC, the rest of the teams are all about 1 or 2 players away from finishing in the top 2-3. the league is that close and that means no games off.

Aug 30th 7:00 pm St. Joseph's Home
Sep 8th 7:00 pm Ashland Away
Sep 15th 7:00 pm Findlay Home
Sep 22nd 1:00 pm Michigan Tech Away
Sep 29th 7:00 pm Wayne State (MI) Home
Oct 6th 1:30 pm Mercyhurst Away
Oct 13th 7:00 pm Indianapolis  Home
Oct 20th 12:00 pm Northwood  Away
Oct 27th 7:00 pm Ferris State  Home
Nov 3rd 12:00 pm Saginaw Valley  Away
Nov 10th 1:00 pm Northern Michigan Home

Michigan Tech played GVSU to a brutal game in front of 65k at michigan stadium (http://www.bashatthebighouse.com/) and tech always has some massive players. oh, and they run the ball very well. physically, mount wouldn't hold up. they couldn't contain northern michigan's qb, and would have problems in the dome, as every team does. not a single team in the GLIAC could stop wayne's rb last year, and he was a true freshman. already being scouted by the NFL as a possible walter payton. i am not sure mount union would fare better against him. hillsdale is much better than you give them credit. small, private school, playing in league with state powerhouses, and they will win the conference every 5-6 years. very good when their enrollment is about 1000 and gvsu is around 25,000. every team that plays hillsdale says one thing, they hit as hard or harder than every team in the league. ashland won 3 games last year, and still played the top 4 teams to one score ball games. and yes, they are huge, fast, and powerful. just not as huge and as fast and as powerful as the other ones. tiffin finished the year as an outside shot to make the playoffs.

bring in the fact that you haven't mentioned the university of indianapolis, which would physically overpower mount, and that leaves you with the best of the rest. if the teams giving out scholarships and paying for their players can't beat the top 3-4 every year, why would mount union do any better? or make it competitive? they are a great D3 team, unless they move up or schedule one of those teams, the talk ends there. mount may have a better qb (which is at a premium in D2) or a receiver here and there, but the overall team can't hold up.

michigan: 49
app st: 10

i want mayo, fat chicks, donuts, and a trained asian to fight off anything getting weird in there. i love your opinions, but you need to go see these games in person, get a sideline pass, watch a practice, or something to see the enormous difference between D3 and D2, or D2 and IAA, and IAA and IA. better yet, call a coach at one of the GLIAC schools who has coached at the different levels and ask him. or call kehres and see if he'll schedule a D2. mount would make an upset against the struggling D2's, but it stops there. the bada$$ non-scholly D2's that make it in the playoffs against the GLIAC get whooped on. The PSAC (scholarship restrictions previously down to 25) got whooped on. mount, would get whooped on.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 01:46:59 PM
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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
SaintsFAN:

I am doing well.  Alot has been going on "familywise", etc., but we're doing okay.  Hope you are doing well.  Yes, pretty much agree with you as well.  Good luck to your TMC this year in their league.  We'll keep in touch.

vbell:

Again, for the most part, I agree with you re: GVSU, SVSU.  However, I too, follow GLIAC football and, as I said, with Mount's best teams of recent years, IMO, they would give a good game to some of those other teams, with the exception of GVSU.  Mount's 2001 team especially (which I saw play in the Stagg) - they were massive - averaged 305 on starting off and def lines (only 2 lbs less than Ohio State that year) and Mount was not slow.  BTW, just for the record, the Mich Tech/GVSU game at Michigan Stadium that you mention was just over 51,000 in attendance (not 65 k) and they outdrew Eastern Mich/Central Mich on the very same day at Rynearson Stadium which only had 25,000 in attendance (okay, so we quabble over a few thousand spectators ;D). ;)

While I am very glad Mich Tech saved their program, they indeed had a fantastic year that year.  However, most years, a good Mount team or similar caliber would either beat them or give them a great game.  Same with Northwood (I've seen them from a coaching standpoint as well).  Agree with you that Hillsdale is tough as well.  Don't misunderstand me by any means, the DII caliber of the Great Lakes is by far the best in the country (even better than those North Alabama teams that won a few years ago, IMO) and would smash most of DIII (except perhaps the best Stagg champions in recent years - St. John's, Wis-Lacrosse in the mid90's, Mount's best as mentioned and that good Linfield team).  Anyway, it is great to see such good football at DII level develop in the last couple of decades and especially recently.

See you around the boards.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 13, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
"Only" 25,000 at Rynearson is the stadium record - and since they recently were forced to admit to extreme inflation of announced attendance (often double or triple the real figures), even that may be an overstatement.  Their usual attendance is 4-6,000 (a high proportion of which are 'freebies'), and they are in imminent danger of being dropped from d1A for low attendance.  I have attended some EMU games where the total crowd would have been an embarassment at a few d3 schools.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2007, 10:55:14 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Good to see you posting.  Hope your summer has been going well.  Quick question; I should know this but somehow am "drawing a blank" right now - how is Eastern going to deal with maintaining their DI status in football?  That is, what options do they have i.e. does a school have in that regard including attendance?  I recall you reviewed this for us previously, but have forgotten.  Also, with the new reclassification to Bowl Division and College Championship Division for DI (i.e. formerly DIA and DIAA), how does this play into effect for, say, the MAC type schools?  What is your understanding on this?  Thanks.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 11:34:03 PM
we will have to agree to disagree on the mount thing. i have also seen the mount team from 2001, and that was the year they had a barn burner with BW. BW plays them usually the toughest, and BW, well, you get my point. i do love mount though, and highly respect them.

new topic so i can move past the mayo

eastern michigan will not have to drop down a division. this has been widely discussed in many circles, and the DII boards. the ncaa made the "rule" to help encourage higher attendance, but is actually very lenient on pulling the trigger. they are happy with EMU's DI status, even as poor as they are in football.

on a side note, since we are talking upsets, DI EMU got their tails whipped by DII northern michigan in 1978-1979. of course, this was the period of NMU's national championship team, and they were gvsu, before gvsu was gvsu, and before FSU was gvsu in a now gvsu dominant league. since i have been harping on the upset thing, go ahead and dump mustard on me. it should be noted, however, that NMU was a powerhouse, placing 6 players on NFL rosters and 8 more in the CFL (they basically are canadian anyway) while dumping on a EMU team that was listless and had a hard time beating a schedule with a few D3's and D2's on it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 11:36:15 PM
oh, and that schedule i posted earlier was gvsu's, in case anybody wanted to hit up a game. they are "down this year" after graduated 5 nfl players, and some more to other cirlces of pro football, they have a strong nucleus returning.

pat, what are the odds that the mount and a top tier D2 team would ever play? i know it happens in some spots around the nation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 13, 2007, 11:38:13 PM
Soon after the expanded stadium opened, they (probably) legitimately averaged a little over 20,000 (I believe the d1A requirement is 17,000?) through really intense marketing and promotions (though many, perhaps even most, of the tickets were still freebies) - that may have been the year you cited, I don't recall for sure.  They play an annual game at Ford Field which they get to count in their home average, so they probably only need to average 12-13,000 at Rynearson to stay in d1A.  But between constantly losing (and, even worse, being a bit boring) and being a predominantly commuter school (plus, of course, the 800-pound gorilla 8 miles to the west), I just don't think they can honestly (hence the urge to inflate) draw enough year in and year out to stay d1A.

The problem is, several MAC schools have no trouble meeting the NCAA attendance requirement.  There is NO WAY the entire MAC would consent to going down, no one wants to break up the core of the MAC (a few schools have come and gone in recent years, but the core has been around for a long time), and EMU's main rivals are Western, Central, and Toledo (in general, plus others for specific sports).  They have no natural rivals who play d1AA, and NO WAY would they (willingly) consent to join Grand Valley, etc.

In nearly every other sport they are highly competitive in the MAC, and even dominate in a few (and are nationally competitive in a couple).  My personal preference would be that they throw in the towel on football (a major financial drain at a school that can hardly afford any more drains!), but I don't think the administration would ever consider it and don't know if the MAC would permit it.

They've dodged the NCAA bullet for over a decade now (sometimes properly, sometimes by shenanigans); I'll guess they'll continue to do so for awhile, but I think their days are numbered.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2007, 12:00:39 AM
I don't think there's any incentive for a top-level D-II school to play Mount Union. I'd love to see it happen, though I don't think it would be very good for the D-III fans. It shouldn't be that close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 14, 2007, 03:33:37 PM
i talked to a mount guy last summer. they always thought it would be neat to play the DII champs with the DIII champs. they had no preconceived notions about the game, just thought it would be a cool thing to do. maybe a scrimmage? who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2007, 08:52:35 PM
Mr. Ypsi and vbell:

Thanks for the follow-up.  You both might recall, that back in the mid-'80's Central was among the "ring leaders" that tried to get Eastern kicked out of the MAC.  I was quite upset at Central for doing that (IMO, it was done quite unprofessional and underhandedly and for that, I have kind of "snickered" and glad to see CMU "get kicked around" for awhile those few years until their recent success.  You know that old saying..."what goes around, comes around". ;D  Nonetheless, Eastern proved them and the others wrong when they kicked everybody else's tails thereafter, winning the MAC and the California Bowl.

I know what you mean about the struggle that EMU has faced with football.  However, I hope they continue it; everyone said that about Northwestern and Wayne State (and even Olivet on our level), but those schools have proven that they can be respectable.  I think EMU can do it too - not easy and not always winning seasons, but if those other 3 schools I mention can do it, so can EMU.  Just MO.  Again, thanks for your input and opinions.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2007, 11:42:21 PM
former,

Yes, the California Bowl win was glorious (especially as the Cali team was favored by 3 TDs!), but that was 20 years ago, and the payoff was having the coach plucked away by a Cali team!  Since then it has been losing season after losing season (I think they may have gone 6-5 one year with Charlie Batch at qb).

MAYBE they'll turn it around in my lifetime, but I'm not holding my breath (that would considerably shorten my lifetime). ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on August 15, 2007, 03:55:17 PM
The MAC is going no where because believe it or not they are still a respectable conference and still take in a nice revenue just from BIG 10 schools that contract them out for their seasons openers.  So they will always stay DI unless the schools administration decides other wise that giving scholarships for those athletics is a nonsense.

Worst thing comes to worst ESPN and other channels drops national coverage of the Conference because a Akron @ Bowling Green Game can't bring in more that 6,000 fans on a wet Thursday night.  But then again what other rival game are they going to broadcast.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 15, 2007, 07:02:24 PM
that game was brutal, i know exactly which one you are talking about.

what happened to miami of ohio last year? anybody know what's going on over there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2007, 07:21:24 PM
M and L:
Good points! ;)  How about Miami of Ohio vs. Ohio??? ;D (Not!, but then again, they just might do that!)

vbell:
Are you talking about the EMU California Bowl win or the Akron vs. Bowling Green game? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 16, 2007, 12:30:53 AM
Quote from: M and L on August 15, 2007, 03:55:17 PM

Worst thing comes to worst ESPN and other channels drops national coverage of the Conference because a Akron @ Bowling Green Game can't bring in more that 6,000 fans on a wet Thursday night.  But then again what other rival game are they going to broadcast.

Don't know that I'd consider Bowling Green and Akron as a rivalry, on par with BGSU's history against Miami, OU, or "Toodleedoo".  What was the payout to the MAC to alter schedules from their traditional weekends?  After attending the BC-Central game last Labor Day weekend (another Thursday nighter), which was an entertaining matchup, there must have been some type of financial incentive to both institutions and conferences.  Regardless, any football matchup beats the alternative of Texas Hold 'Em and old B&L aviator glasses.  Even "Earl" gets more karma than that drivel, on Thursday.  

Actually, I found the Akron game rather interesting, when the cameras could penetrate the rain and fog.  Wouldn't relish the groundskeeping job at Doyt Perry, the next day, though, unless planting spring wheat.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 16, 2007, 02:02:57 PM
i was referring to the bgsu/akon game. very windy, muddy, foggy, pretty typical for northwestern ohio weather. looked like june there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 16, 2007, 11:19:47 PM
Next to Carlos Snow, the best running back to come out of Cincinnati is now a BGSU Alum. PJ Pope was unbelieveable and if I'm not mistaken...was a 3-year starter at BG. He played during the 2-year stretch (2004-2005 I believe) when BG was playing damn good ball and also had that stud African American QB (his name slips my mind currently). He's by far better than DeShawn Wynn who got drafted. They both played in the same league at the same time. CHL, a small school conference that has produced some big time players...including myself :)

I think top level teams from a lower division can compete with bottom dwellers of a higher division. I think the gap gets closer the higher you go in divisions. Can ASU play and beat schools like bottom feeding MAC, C-USA, WAC schools...I think they can. Again, Last year, at The Big House, Ball State played Michigan toe to toe.  I've seen the type of players who go to low teir DI schools and in all reality, they are not that impressive. We had OL at MSJ better than 3 guys (O-linemen) who got scholarships to Ball State and Buffalo and our starting 3 LB's were better than some guys I know who played in the smart school league.

If anyone gets a chance to travel to North Florida (Fernadina Beach specifically) or are just passing by, take some time to fish with JacketsFan. He's awsome. We had a great time fishing, catching little sharks, and watching my mom and brother get sea sick. It's not everyday you meet and old fart who still does things like he's 25 again. The only scary thing is...he looks like Bill Venard to the V...for those who know what Bill Venard looked like. We pulled up and I thought Holy Sh!t, it's my old O-line coach.

Regardless, I had a blast and will make it a point to make it down again. Thanks again Joe for the good time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 17, 2007, 08:06:05 AM
Bill Venard/JacketsFAN??

You're chitting me?  wow..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 17, 2007, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 16, 2007, 11:19:47 PM
when BG was playing damn good ball and also had that stud African American QB (his name slips my mind currently).

Omar Jacobs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 17, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
that's him i believe
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 18, 2007, 08:34:37 AM
wasnt their another kid just before Omar that was a stud and they were the same style.  back when Urban Meyer was the coach and right after he went to Utah.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 18, 2007, 04:01:50 PM
i think you are right. urban's offense at bgsu sort of sparked that pistol offense at nevada, and a lot of the shotgun play we are seeing. smart coach, but i have a feeling he takes very old school football and meshes it with the modern spread. some would even say he is wise, yoda like, like a master coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 18, 2007, 06:56:09 PM
I believe the main QB during Urban's BGSU tenure was Josh Harris (he came on for Sam Ahmes, midseason in 2001) and was responsible for their wins over Purdue in West Lafayette (Kyle Orton's club) and Northwestern, up in Detroit.  He did get knocked around pretty well in the MAC championship game by Miami and Roethlesberger and Mike Larkin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 18, 2007, 07:13:24 PM
Haven't been on the screen in a couple of days. Just got back from the beach fishing (Sayer, you missed it today. I caught the biggest damned whiting I've ever seen in my life) and saw Adam Sayer's post about he and his family's fishing trip aboard the good ship Play'n Hooky. It was a real pleasure getting to meet and hang out with you guys. I wish we would've caught more fish but that's why they call it fishing instead of catching. All right, Adam, I was going to be a gentleman and not out your poor mom and brother for getting seasick. But since you did, I'll put in my two cents worth. Did you notice that the whiting didn't start biting till your mom started hurling off my side of the boat? It was better than frozen chum. Tell her to take the Bonine next time and she won't get sick. It was pretty warm out that day, though. Tell Stacie and your brothers howdy for me.

Thanks for the age compliment, dude. Aging is all a state of mind. And since I'm pretty mindless most of the time, it goes to say I'm ageless, as well. A life well spent doesn't mean coasting up to the pearly gates in a sleek new ride. It means barrelling in sideways in a beat up old heap with all four tires smoking and the engine screaming and yelling at the tops of your lungs, "Whooooeee! What a damn ride, dude!"

Ahhh yes! Fall's definitely in the air! Football and hurricanes. Surf all morning, watch football in the afternoon. It don't get any better I tell ya.

Okay, I'm outta here like Sayer's little brother's breakfast.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 19, 2007, 09:29:20 AM
Josh Harris is the guy i was thinking of. thanks Cave2bens.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 19, 2007, 12:45:41 PM
i caught a turtle once, just once. i have a feeling i wouldn't make it as a fisherman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 19, 2007, 05:55:19 PM
The next morning I fished off the surf in St. Simons and caught 2 Sting Rays. The only thing I could think of was Steve Irwin. The first one was about 8 pounds and faught like a SOB. The second, was big. He was about 18-20 inches in diameter and probably 15-18 pounds. Can you eat Sting Ray?

Anyone ever look to see who's wearing your old number? I did. So Matt Rosenberger, a 6-3, 270 pound, DL from Oak Hills better wear #60 proud. And MSJ is blessed with another athlete from Da Park. A WR named Jamie Gooch.

And I was in Lids yesterday and saw something very disturbing....there were 2 different TMC hats, but no MSJ hat. I was just a little upset.

Another side note. HS football in Ohio starts in 5 days. College in 13.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 19, 2007, 10:05:27 PM
Hell yea you can eat sting ray. They're really tasty cut up into nuggets, rolled in cracker crumbs and pan fried. Really sweet meat. They do fight, don't they? I caught a ten lb jack today. He  damn near spooled me on the first run.

HS Football starts here with jamboree next Friday nite. Barring my own death, I will be there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 20, 2007, 10:50:41 PM
I think I'm going to take a job at Purcell volunteering and scouting on Friday Nights.

Macke, did you ever get a Job or are you just subbing?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 20, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
vick: going to jail.

what are your thoughts? will he play in the NFL again? some guys on espn said he'd play CFL.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 21, 2007, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on August 20, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
vick: going to jail.

what are your thoughts? will he play in the NFL again? some guys on espn said he'd play CFL.

Americans have a notoriously short attention span, so who knows.  But I think he is probably too toxic for any owner to take a chance.  Being involved in 'drive-by' shootings or beating your wife is one thing, but murdering puppies is unforgiveable!  A sad commentary, certainly, but that's the society we live in, IMO.

As a human being, I hope he never returns.  As a football fan, I'm very sorry to see him go.  He may be the most electrifying player since Barry Sanders - every time he touched the ball it COULD be disaster or it COULD be a touchdown!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 21, 2007, 08:27:10 AM
of course some team is going to take a chance on him when he's released...you'd be crazy not to...but interesting is what Berman and the boys said....probably not coming back as a QB.   They said developing as a QB is a continuous process.  Makes sense...I think its going to be tough for someone to take a flyer on him...i mean really.  I was thinking about the 9 and 10 year olds that I coached last year....we had a team outing after the season and 6 of them were wearing Vick jerseys....how in the hell are people supposed to explain to their kids what Vick did to be put away for two years or whatever??  I mean seriously....its a pretty heinous thing he did...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 21, 2007, 05:40:07 PM
Whoa, speaking of Michael Vick. Go to the McMurry University (DIII) football website and see what the press release says about Michael Vick Jr., aka Rashon Lewis. The press release writer managed to use the words "leader," and "great quarterback"  and "chemistry"  and "veteran quarterback" all in the same sentence with Rashon Lewis.

I know everything's bigger in Texas but damn, skippy.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 22, 2007, 12:49:12 AM
To all:

Any idea yet on what type of offense Coach Taylor is going to be running at Defiance this fall?  I expect it to be hard nosed and have heard some rumblings about more Pro I stuff, but am wondering if anyone else has any other info.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 22, 2007, 09:19:06 AM
jacketsfan,

he's #1 on their roster....just wait until the going gets tough....3-7 last year, it will.  We've seen here in the HCAC that he folds like a deck of cards....what do you think it will be like in THAT league (The ASC) for him??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on August 22, 2007, 11:13:16 AM
I'm subbing agina this year For southwest schools.  I already have to days lined up for next week.

And I'm also coaching D line for them to.  I started out as a O line caoch put the day of our first scrimage our D line coach needed surgery and wasn't there.  So they decided to keep over their where i belong i guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on August 22, 2007, 11:13:57 AM
Sounds like your vaca was fun, what else have you been up to?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 22, 2007, 08:29:14 PM
Vick could end up in Oakland or Dallas assuming Jerry or Al is still alive when he is no longer being a biatch to Bubba.  he will not be the same when he gets out...ask Tyson what a couple years in the Penn does to your skills.  Realistically that is going to be real hard time.  the serious criminals in the Penn dont like people who mess with Kids or Animals.  Mike Vick or not he is not going to be real popular in the joint and he is not going to Lebanon correctional, he is going to the federal penn, nasty mofo's like Lucasville
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 22, 2007, 09:21:37 PM
Not only is Vic probably going to do federal time, he most likely going to be on supervised release for a term of years after he gets out. In case you don't know, federal supervised release is like state probation on steroids. He'll have a huge list of do's and don'ts to comply with and the don't list will be way longer than the do list. The first time he smokes a joint or blows a line or gets drunk or gets caught making a bet, etc., etc., etc., he'll get his ass violated and hauled back into court, where the judge could sentence him to serve the remainder of his prison sentence. Keep in mind, the judge he got is a tough bastard. He's the one who threw the book at Scooter Libby. In addition, Vick's probation officer is likely to be a total dickhead who's drunk with power and will get off on jerking him around and making his life as hard as legally possible. All this assumes he doesn't get shanked in the yard by someone wanting to make a rep. My guess is that his football days are done.

SaintsFAN, Rashon Lewis is playing football in a tough conference. He's about to learn some hard lessons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 23, 2007, 12:32:38 AM
I cant imagine that after Vick gets done serving his prison sentence which will cause him to miss at least one season that Goodel wont have something else waiting.  I would find it hard to believe that he would be serving a suspension while in prison but rather serve the suspension after he gets out.  When you look at the big picture he will be suspended for at least one season if not more (if he pled to any gambling it could be a lifetime suspension).  Lets say that Goodel suspends him for two seasons, and he is in jail for one which has him missing three years of playing.  By the time it rolls around to him being able to sing, despite the terrible PR problems any team would face and the fact only a GM with the highest credibility ever could suggest signing him.  On top of these problems, the position of QB requires constant practice and learning as well as refining skills, for a marginal QB that Vick was returning after a three year layoff at that position is pretty much an impossiblity.  I could only see him returning as a WR or the like and dont think that his skill set at QB would even be able to compete at the NFL level after the time off he is looking at.  Prison alone will change alot, look at the way Jamal Lewis came out after serving 6 months and he has never been the same.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 23, 2007, 05:33:46 PM
VBell,

Just looking at the Franklin roster, and I recognized this name as a freshman kicker.

http://www.commercial-news.com/sports/local_story_264070845.html

I'm glad to see he's playing in college - we'll see what kind of PT he gets.  Hopefully he'll get a chance to play in Crawfordsville in a few weeks (but not too much!).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 23, 2007, 05:37:04 PM
But Jamal Lewis should return to some type of form. It wasn't like he was a Barry Sanders RB. He was a bruiser who ran straight and over people. As long as Cleveland's OL gets him room, he'll still be alright.

As far as Vick goes, I think you will see him back. He has more God-given ability than anyone else in the NFL. Just because you go to jail doesn't mean God takes back all that ability. The other stuff, i.e. mechanical and instinctual stuff such as throwing, pocket presence, etc. will only come back when he actually can get back to playing. He'll be a QB again because something about him tells me he won't play anywhere else (kind of like a certain MSJ QB last year). After he serves his 1 year jail sentence and additional 1-year suspension from the NFL, a team will pick him up. He'll still only be 29 and will have about 6-7 more years to play. Some of that time will be well spent as a back up getting re-adjusted to the NFL.

All you have to do is look at Tim Couch. He was horrible before leaving the NFL, has been gone for a couple years, and now a team has given him a chance. Mike Vick wasn't horrible, he was just an average QB. At least he has that ability to fall back on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 23, 2007, 07:04:32 PM
You could be right, Adam, but I still think a stint in federal prison will end Vick's playing days in the NFL. I don't think it will be related to his talent because you're right, that much God given talent can't be taken away by time behind bars and a suspension. I think the totality of the experience will get to him. Prison has a tendency to sap people's optimism and outlook on life. Although federal prisons are run more efficiently than state prisons, they are grim places where the rules and the routines are so stifling it's unbearable. Plus, I think we're all underestimating the effects of negative publicity. Right or wrong, Vick is going to become the poster child for what happens to bad boy athletes who get conicted and go to prison and the court of public opinion and political correctness from the animal lovers is going to make it real hard for someone to justify hiring him. Plus, he's going to be on supervised release for at least three years, which is a further impediment to his freedom. Basically, he's going to be living with a federal probation officer perched on his shoulder. I wonder how many owners or coaches would feel comfortable with that situation. By the way, I made a mistake in my last post. I don't think it is the same judge who sentenced Scooter Libby.

One other thing, the Jaguars released Tim Couch Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 23, 2007, 07:36:29 PM
my guess is Vick gets more than a year.  Godell is suspending guys for a year for things a lot less than what vick is doing and that does not look at him running a gambling ring.

if vick takes another snap in the NFL it will be the day after Pete Rose is inducted into the HOF.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 23, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
what a crappy day, had a cusotmer ask for 10M worth of stuff free, then i get to the airport at 3 to run into a storm.  my 4:00 flight is cancelled get booked on the 6:00, another storm...cancelled.  now booked on  the 10:30 flight out of Chicago.  8 hrs at ohare and it is my birthday.

well at least i dont have to put on socks with handles like Vick!!

Jamal Lewis wont return to form...he is not wearing black and purple anymore when he is running on cleveland's field!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 23, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
word is that jamal lewis is in prime shape this year, well according to the SI article.

8 hours in any airport would not be fun. maybe you can hit up the airport lounge?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 23, 2007, 11:15:52 PM
Jamal Lewis does have what appears to be a very good looking OL in front of him.  Drafting Joe Thomas was a great move and getting Eric Steinbach was as well, if LeCharles Bentley comes back in his previous form and they can move Schaffer over to RT then they should be pretty well set.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2007, 10:36:13 AM
ok so I need some advice on where to take a YOUNG girl out to??   She's of legal drinking age, but I dont' want to bore this chick with some place and my grey hairs..

Some of you guys in Cincy need to get on here and let me know...

JacketsFAN,

Yes you are right...and he's about to set that program back for a new coach at McMurray. 

and M&L...haha...I'm NOT EVEN GOING TO TOUCH THIS ONE..
Quote from: M and L on August 22, 2007, 11:13:16 AM
I'm subbing agina this year For southwest schools. 

You know I'm kidding....

Jamal Lewis is a Cleveland Brown...thats all I have to say.  LeCharles Bentley is not going to be back in his previous form...he's STILL having issues.  They are going to have Frye or Anderson at QB to start their schedule (which puts them at 0-4) and teams are going to gang up on the run game to stop it.  Jamal is going to learn the difference between Baltimore and Cleveland and it ain't the color of their jerseys.....Baltimore RUNS the ball with a determined attitude and Cleveland likes to run the ball and hopefully suprise people with a different look than a 3 or 5 step drop for Frye...they lack that determined, stubborn attitude. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on August 24, 2007, 03:28:24 PM
saints fan,

cadillac ranch, get her to ride the bull!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
tepee,

two bulls in one night?? 

Just got an email from her, she wants margaritas and Mexican tonight..  Luckily I count with my mother being 1/2 Mexican...

I have been to Cadillac Ranch...that bull is something else....we rode one last weekend at the St. Mary's (Hyde Park) Festival..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 24, 2007, 04:14:16 PM
well, and the right tackle is out for 4 games for steroids or something. the OL is better than previously, but still sub par. you would think that even with the soldier and some above average receivers, they could be better on offense. of course, this is the team that has crushed their fans since 1964 and i would think they are in for a long year.

on a side note, baltimore runs the ball so well, because they couldn't throw until they obtained mc nair. IMO. i am not so sure mcgahee will do as good as lewis did, i don't think he can hammer it in the same fashion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 24, 2007, 05:08:19 PM
I stopped by the Cadillac Ranch the other afternoon for lunch with the Ol Lady. It was nice. A little expensive for a substitute teacher, but nice. The best part about the bull is once a nice looking woman gets on (with hopefully decent breasts) they give her an extended ride and slow it down so you can see her boobs bouncing. The last time I rode a bull, the wiring started sparking and the people at Bobby Macke's gave me my $5 back.

And I think the night would go something like riding the bull then a miniture donkey :)  If she wants Mexican, bring her over my house. I got one helluva tan and can be Mexican for a night. Or just go to Margharitas downtown or wherever is close. There's a place in Blue Ash called El Pueblo off Hunt Rd that's pretty good.

I'd also suggest anywhere in Hyde Park (find a nice sushi bar with saki).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 24, 2007, 11:16:27 PM
Is the Cadillac Ranch like the Bunny Ranch, Adam? At my age, I want to see any woman's boobs bounce, no matter what shape they're in. What was it Jeff Foxworthy said? Men just want cold beer and to see something nekkid. They really don't care what she looks like as long as she's nekkid.

Well, guys, I got my football fix tonight. Despite the surf being a solid five feet, I opted for the Fernandina Beach High School Pirates' preseason game against cross county rivals, the Hilliard High School Flashes.  After years of getting spanked in the openers, Fernandina Beach took the field tonight and took the flash right out of the Flashes with a 25-9 spanking. Actually, it should've only been 25-3 but an overzealous defensive player clobbered the Hilliard punter with less than two minutes to play, and the ensuing penalty put the Flashes so close to the goal line that even Manchester could've scored. Fernandina has a great running back. He easily broke a hundred yards this evening.

I love high school football. I love Friday night lights and hotdogs and peanuts and Skittles. Dammit. I just wish I still had someone still playing college ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 25, 2007, 11:26:57 AM
big hcac area clash this week in high school sports. warren central is playing glenville out of cleveland. i am going to go out on a limb and say warren central overpowers in this game. any thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2007, 12:42:59 PM
How many schools does Warren have? Harding, Central, JFK...is that all? For the most part, they all play pretty good ball.

I was scouting Norwood/McNick for Purcell. McNick has a pretty good QB and a great kicker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 25, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on August 25, 2007, 11:26:57 AM
big hcac area clash this week in high school sports. warren central is playing glenville out of cleveland. i am going to go out on a limb and say warren central overpowers in this game. any thoughts?

I was actually thinking just the opposite.  WC has already been upset by Merrillville, and I would guess Glenville is more talented than Merrillville.  But, we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 26, 2007, 12:46:19 PM
glenville is the same school that put out ted ginn jr and numerous others. they are good, i don't know if they play as a team like some powerhouses do though. we'll see. warrent central has been very good in recent years, this may be a classic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 26, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
Glenville 38, WC 36

That was almost the halftime score, so both teams decided defense might be a good idea in the second half. 

WC off to an 0-2 start, but will still be a factor before it's all over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 27, 2007, 12:41:04 PM
Saw some good things at the scrimmage on Saturday between Thomas More and Wilmington at Newport HS's field...

The team is young overall, but has some talent.  We saw the QB's completing passes, receivers blocking downfield on catches, and 3 very good RB's who carried the ball.  Also a taller WR did impress me as well by his willingness to go over the middle and take a lick...on a side note, didn't know JP would install the wishbone using 5 yard splits by the offensive lineman...interesting look....should take many by suprise this year. 

Not sure how I'd rate the scrimmage overall....1st half was controlled scrimmage which Thomas More scored twice and Wilma none....then the 25 and in produced some TD's on 3rd down for the Quakers. 

Side note:  If you play Wilma this year....look to stop the bubble screen and also the fade pattern and you are set.  They ran the bubble about 15-17 times that I saw...and I left the 2nd half (game conditions) early.   

Lots of chit talking from a team that didn't score their first TD until week 4 of last season and was shut out 5 of their 10 games.  I know what conference they are in, but these guys were also hitting players during the kicking game and having refs drag their OL off a DB on one TD play AFTER the whistle had been blown.  Coach Hilvert definitely has a group that doesn't lose it in situations like that....which can be good and bad. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 27, 2007, 01:08:45 PM
Also,

Has anyone checked out Hanover's roster for this year?  Given the lack of season previews by HCAC teams again this year, I was looking around.  I counted 72 total players....that has to be a low...those admissions requirements must be really tough..

http://sports.hanover.edu/hcfootballroster.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on August 27, 2007, 01:13:35 PM
i love it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 27, 2007, 03:15:59 PM
I heard that Franklin looked good in their scrimmage against Depauw last Saturday by outcoring them 24 - 0. I wasn't at the scrimmage, this is second hand information given to me.

Any other reports on scrimmages from the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 27, 2007, 06:25:49 PM
not too much on my end. i keep hearing the grizzlies will be tough this year. i am hoping they can hurdle the lions and the other hcac teams to get into the playoffs. i think that would be very special for the fans in ol grizzly country.

72 players has to be a low. i remember their sidelines always being jam packed in blue uniforms, with very fast receivers. times are changing on the ohio river. can't say i am too upset about it, i like the conference with FC, MSJ, and others battling for the title.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 27, 2007, 08:10:47 PM
As much as I hate Hanover, I have the same opinions as a few others that its a shame they only have 72 players and that program's heading where its heading. Personally, I'd love to see a conference where Hanover has a chance to win it, MSJ has a chance, and now with the recent success of Franklin and to a point Defiance, both of them have a shot. Playing in a conference where 4 schools routinely have a shot to win any given year makes things interesting and overall better for the league. And until a HCAC does well in the playoffs, Hanover's recent downspell has hurt the HCAC's reputation.

The fact that MSJ is picked again to win the HCAC should tell you where our conference is. Not that I'm saying MSJ isn't talented because they are and have great coaches, but they lost their OC, DC, a few other coaches, and have a question mark at QB. MSJ is a mystery team. You're picking a team who has to adhere to new philosophies, learn new systems, and adapt to new coaching personalities on both sides of the ball in addition to the usual rigor of beginning a new season.

IF YOU'RE IN THE CINCINNATI/CANTON AREA!!!!!!!!

The Kirk Herbstreit Challenge is this weekend at Nippert and Canton. If you are anywhere near, I recommend seeing these games. Glenville plays Long Beach Poly, Colerain plays Hoover from MTV's 2 a days, St. X plays DeMatha (I believe they are ranked 3rd in the USA today poll), plus other great games. It's 9/1 and 9/2. Check the website if you think you may want to go.

http://www.ohiovsusa.com/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 28, 2007, 10:59:11 AM
IMO,

Franklin will win the HCAC this season...too much firepower...unless the transfers at MSJ do well.  We all know the history of transfers (to a D3 program) hasn't been good....(see:  R. Lewis).  I don't think you bet against the Lions, however.  They are "king of the hill", until they get knocked off. 

I do think this is the year for it though...

HCAC, outside of Franklin is a little weak compared to the past few years.  I DON'T think Defiance is going to be a factor in the big games.  Too much uncertainty at QB.  Hanover, we've all seen what's going on down in Madison (though they'll rise up for their rivalry games).  Who else?  RHIT? Dare I say Bluffton or Manchester? 

Seriously, this league needs a boost. 

I'm trying to make it down to the Hanover/Thomas More game this weekend, but its going to take a miracle.  On a side note:  This is the last edition of the rivalry game...fitting that JP is on the sideline for the Saints in this one, being that its AT Hanover? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 28, 2007, 11:28:09 AM
Everytime I walk into Purcell (which is where I'm helping out), I look for a picture of JPC, more or less you make fun of him for the late 80's style, but can't find a single picture. It depresses me everytime. I just had to get that off my chest.

Since I know he reads this all the time, I'll give a shout out to Mr. Annexation of Puerto Rico himself, Evan Dreyer, as he helps prepare HIS Colerain Cardnals for Hoover Buccaneers. For those of you who don't know Evan, he's famous for two things. Hooking up with big-busted red-heads and running the Annexation of Puerto Rico to a T.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 28, 2007, 11:35:48 AM
Prepsnation.com ranks St. X #1 in the USA and DeMatha (MD) #3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 28, 2007, 11:47:05 AM
Who is running the picks this year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2007, 07:09:13 PM
Just got back from Tahiti today from my honeymoon ;D & let me tell ya, that place is amazing!  My wife & I stayed in Moorea for four days & La Tahaa for 3 & it is just flipping amazing! 
We also had the opportunity to feed sting ray & (I think) white tip sharks for just one of the activities.  The sharks were little, but when you are underwater & see them coming right at you, it makes you pucker up a bit that is for sure.
Anyways, it is nice to be back & get caught up w/ all the discussion.  I agree with Sayer on the HCAC building a reputation by getting some W's in the playoffs.  The thing is whom ever represents the HCAC, they need to go undefeated in order to get a higher seed in the region.  I would like to think that would get them a home field advantage & possible a game against a weaker team in an automatic bid conference to get the ball rolling.
On regards to Defiance I think if Vetter gets his act together w/ all the weapons he has to his disposal it could be big things for the Jackets.  The defense is going to be a question mark w/ losing a lot on the dline, but they still should be strong everywhere else.  So look for DC being in the mix again towards the end of the season. 
For the rest of the conference Franklin does look like the team to beat & you still can't forget about MSJ b/c I feel they are better off in their QB area from last year & they sill are a strong program.  RHIT again is a team that could surprise a few.   Anderson & Hanover have been having their ups & downs & I see them making some noise but not enough to be in the hunt for the crown.  For Bluffton & Manchester, well it would be nice to see them do well in nonconference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2007, 07:21:01 PM
here is also some rankings that some might be interested in.  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1ccbach_mw_brief.php
Good to see some HCAC schools representing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 29, 2007, 10:41:24 PM
I've started the Pick 'ems on the General Football thread.  First game is tomorrow night (Tri-State @ Manchester), so if interested, enter your picks ASAP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 30, 2007, 09:14:35 AM
Franklin is the team to beat this year, I have been trying to be very humble since I cannot stand those arrogant types who tout their team as the next coming. Some of you remember my not so humble beginnings, but as the paduan learns from the master, I have also learned to let the hard work and achievement speak for the Grizzlies.

I do know this, first game is going to get the season started off right, and tell everybody where a lot of people are standing. FC has two motha's right off the bat. Much like a good closer, if they keep their dirty underwear ready for gameday, they should be good to go.

I know the buckeye nation thinks that the buckeyes will rebound this year, but what are your guys thoughts on Penn St, Wisconsin, and Michigan? JoePa is, well, JoePa and they have had some good recruiting years as of late. Wisconsin may be a playmaker away on offense, but in the mix. Michigan may have the best offense, but I think will lack in defense. There is some talk of Penn St. making a run for title this year!! Open, discuss, watch out for Kentucky this year. Like a fat girl in dodgeball, I am out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2007, 10:37:42 AM
Kentucky?  Beotch, please!!

They will piss down their legs with the expectations so high.  A friend of mine that I work with...played for UK after playing at Thomas More....he's an avid follower and even he's not buying the hype....they'll NEVER, be more than an afterthought.  They took advantage of a down year in their division with Georgia, SC etc sucking compared to previous history. 

Its funny talking to him, he blocked for Tim Couch and spit on the local reporter (that made ESPN)....a real wildman....I'm waiting to see how many altercations he gets into this Sunday at Riverfest...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2007, 10:45:02 AM
sad news from Pittsburgh...dont know if any of you read it...involves a former d3 player at Waynesburg...

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1234098

thanks to Pat for the link..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2007, 04:27:07 PM
wow so, I guess Hanover is gaining a golf coach with great football coaching experience..

hello Coach Leonard??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 30, 2007, 10:12:23 PM
Shocking news about Coach Perry, it would be nice to have some Hanover alum on this board to hear what they think about that.
Sounds surprising to hear right before the season begins.  Wonder what the Panthers have up their sleave. ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 31, 2007, 08:05:13 AM
From the press release, it sounds like he wants to take a higher position of power so maybe he can help influence some of the pedagogical issues and get some decent recruits back to Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on August 31, 2007, 09:01:55 AM
i love it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on August 31, 2007, 09:19:22 AM
I couldn't figure out the link thing to attach it but I checked out Hanover's local paper (Madison Courier) and there was a nice article about Perry.  It looks like he told the team now so they wouldn't think the season's results had any factor on his decision.  Let's hope he can help get the school back to where it should be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 31, 2007, 09:33:40 AM
Leonard, not likely. Leonard has finally built the Franklin program to where he wants it, and can continue to build on the tradition that was lacking since Red Faught stepped down in 1988. Franklin also has one great gameday atmosphere, one of the best in DIII small college football. For a man who worked so tirelessly to get his recruits in there, build the program up, build upon a once proud tradition, and to become the savior for Franklin's football program it would be hard to imagine him back at Hanover. IMO, I really do not see the benefit for him moving back down to Hanover for another stint. Been there, done that. Things he hasn't done yet at Franklin are win the HCAC, gain a playoff birth, and be in a position to win the NCAA D3 championship. The opportunities are more at Franklin with their location to INDY and the talent surrounding the region. Better alumni support, better football town, better college with Mike Leonard at Franklin. Yes, that was my pitch to end the Leonard to Hanover discussions.

For selfish reasons, I would have liked to see Coach Parry stay as the head coach for a long time coming. I have great respect for his coaching tenure and what he has accoomplished at Hanover. It poses some questions though, if nothing more. If admissions standards and the overall direction of Hanover had not changed in the past few years, would this even be discussed right now? 72 players on the preseason roster are not a Hanover trademark. They had a great corp of players each year replacing graduating players. Has the school finally forced a great coach out due to their rising admissions standards??

Whatever the answer, Coach Parry is a legend in Indiana football and he will be missed on the sidelines. What are the thoughts of the Hanover faithful?

Oh, LSU looked tough. People are high on Kentucky, and you should watch out for them. However, it's Kentucky and they will be in the bottom half of the SEC again. You just have to watch out for them so you don't take them lightly. Good QB, can shock a good team, but they are Kentucky.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2007, 10:43:08 AM
victory,

word on the street and from a Hanover grad that I work with (who is still close with Perry) is that they have hired a new prez and the admissions standards that have gotten so tight in the past few years are going to be relaxed....

IMO, with these conversations I've had, I'd be VERY surprised if Leonard doesn't take a strong look at the job..  Really for all the reasons that you just mentioned....not so long ago, Hanover had a great atmosphere...and he'd be rebuilding HIS alma mater.  Perry gave him a shot at Offensive Coordinator when Leonard got into coaching and I guarantee with him still on staff at Hanover, Leonard will feel a duty, if you will, to return should he be asked to..

He would be the savior at Hanover as well.... 

I don't think "better football town" fits when comparing Franklin and Hanover...basically both towns have their football fans come from across Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky to see their sons play...I honestly think the recruiting will even out between Hanover and Franklin will even out now that the standards are goign to be relaxed...  Franklin has been killing Hanover recruiting-wise, head to head..

I know Franklin has a winning tradition from when they were NAIA, but Hanover has it as well....at the NCAA Division III level....a part in which Leonard participated as a player...I think it could be a strong pull on him and a monumental decision.. but we have the cart before the horse...2007 is yet to be played out.  Though I don't think he has the Franklin program where he wants it, just yet. 

If Franklin keeps him this off season, then IMO, they will have him for a long time.  But they do already have a successor in place, with Theobald named Assistant Head Coach.

I'm not trying to disagree just to disagree...I just feel in talking to a few, that there's going to be a pull there.   At Thomas More, we saw the same thing happen with Dean Paul leaving...he built us back up into a contender (winning playoff games) and didn't think we'd lose him...but when ONU came calling (his father was involved with the school), we lost our guy. 

Anyone else care to weigh in??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on August 31, 2007, 11:18:48 AM
I think Leonard would be crazy to go back to HC right now.  I have also heard great things about the new pres and her support for athletics but it could take years to get the school and programs built back up.  However...maybe we should start talking about a switch for Theo since he is from southern IN.
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Post by: cave2bens on August 31, 2007, 03:08:13 PM
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I have also heard great things about the new pres and her support for athletics but it could take years to get the school and programs built back up.

No disagreement that the athletic programs at Hanover have suffered with the increased rigidity of admission standards under Dr. Nicholls' tenure, and yes, the school's (not athletic department's) mission seems more aligned with the NCAC crowd.  However, one must remember that Nicholls was at one time , from 1965-1972, a basketball coach in Division III, his sub .400 winning percentage notwithstanding.  He is more adept at management and organization, and his twenty years at Hanover show positive results for the school as a whole - alumni contributions are up substantially, the endowment level has more than tripled from $46.5M to $150M+, and overall academic rankings have improved.  Several academic buildings have been built or remodeled, and the Horner Center (b-ball arena and rec center) opened ten years ago.

Personal thought is that as a "trouble-shooter by nature," his brief retirement now includes an interim presidency at Tusculum College - another small college in need.

Will admission standards change under Dr. Sue DeWine?  A brief examination of her CV, her publications on organizational behavior and management, and provost duties at Marietta are not necessarily indicative of direction, one way or another.  It will be interesting to watch.  While it is difficult to realize that Coach Perry is surrendering the reigns after fifty years as a player, coach and mentor, perhaps he has chosen the path of Vince Dooley for personal reasons?  

JMHO - let the smiting begin.    

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2007, 03:20:18 PM
personal reasons probably include being tired of the grind, cave2bens. 

thats just what I've heard....now we can probably debate on what to include in "the grind" all day...

At any rate, I don't see why Leonard would NOT consider the job should it be offered to him. 

My High School alma mater, Badin (Hamilton) ventures down to play Turpin tonight.  Turpins Defensive Coordinator is an old roommate of mine, Dan Kraft who played OLB for the Saints.  The Spartans are coming off a thrashing of Glen Este (which surprised alot of people supposedly in the know)...and are following up a state semi-final appearance last season.  Their QB is a stud lefty, WR is a 6'5" kid with speed (committed to Miami) and they have a big OL being courted by some big schools....I hope Badin can compete tonight...  They blew out Dayton Jefferson 62-20 with their 'spread offense'...which seems a big sacreligious to me....since we played with the fullhouse set and plays from the 1950s under Coach Terry Malone.

Anyone going to be around tonight...what games are you going to?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 31, 2007, 04:44:33 PM
QuoteAnyone going to be around tonight...what games are you going to?

Roswell vs Brookwood at the GA Dome - lot of D1 signees on both sides of ball and easier ticket than UGa-Okie State.  Good luck to all HCACer's in their openers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 11:47:37 AM
Good luck to everyone today. Manchester got off to a bad start last night with a 14-9 loss to Tri-State.

Best of luck to DC today. Adrian will be out for blood today. Don't give them a drop. Send 'em home crying.

Go DC!

Damn, it sucks not to be going this year. Guess we'll be glued to the radio.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2007, 01:55:12 PM
Once again I can not get DC games over the internet.  I've tried to troubleshoot their new station 105.7, but it will not work leaving me disappointed again >:(.  So if any Jacket fans are out there listening to the game could you give some updates now & then for me?  Thanks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 01, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Michigan is getting biotch slapped at the big house by App. St. I seriously need to bend over and take whatever rear kicking I have coming my way for talking smack about the IAA.

I saw them last year and knew they were tough, but come on!!! It's Michigan!!!! They are not supposed to get thrown around and ran around, through, and over top by a IAA team. I am rooting for App. St. to pour it on in the second half, the underdog story is nice. It is nice, and highly surprising.

I need the mayo now....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 01, 2007, 02:01:10 PM
VB....does Franklin have any radio stream?  The OWU video stream crapped out after about 10 minutes....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 03:10:05 PM
DC getting killed 35-7 at the half. D looking okay. Cass, Chidester, Bayer making awesome hits. Inexperiece elsewhere showing. Vetter still throwing pics - three so far that resulted in TDs for Adrian. Dillon hauled in the only TD for DC. We need a QB or we ain't gonna we too many games this season. Turnover and interceptions are killing us. The new kicker and new punter looks good. The new TB, Coralla, looks good. Going into the third now. DC's self confidence looked really bad towards the half. Adrian is running a dual QB attack. Niblock has the speed and McGee has the arm. Both perform very well under pressure. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 01, 2007, 03:58:10 PM
michigan lost, wow. i am speechless.

i can't get the franklin game either. i am confused.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 01, 2007, 04:01:42 PM
http://www.franklincollege.edu/athletics/football/schedule.cfm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 01, 2007, 04:01:48 PM
Grizz win 34-21 in Delaware.  I have no idea what transpired after the first few plays though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 04:09:03 PM
V-bell, App State is a kick ass program. I'm not that surprised to see them pull it off. They could hang with most D1 programs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2007, 05:08:18 PM
JacketsFan- App State I agree is a good team, but Michigan has no excuse losing to DIAA school even if they are the defending national champs. 
Hopefully UofM wakes up now & finally realizes that Lyodd Carr is a bad coach.  He won the National Championship in 97 w/ another coaches recruiting class & has done squat since.  I can't believe it but I'm going to have to root for freaking OSU so that Carr can be replaced.  Go the other Michigan team ;)
Did anyone get the final to the DC game.  It is impossible to get scores on the web.  Went to hcac site, miaa site, dc's site, & even adrian's, & found nada!  Last I heard was DC looks to be in trouble this year from some of the alum's at the game. 
Not a good day, not a good day at all >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2007, 06:18:33 PM
Try the scoreboard on THIS site! ;)

Adrian 35, Defiance 9.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2007, 08:07:12 PM
re:  QB situation at Defiance

I hate to say that I was right...but sounds like they need to a new QB...too bad there aren't any trades in college athletics.  I think DC will bounce back, just don't know how many weeks it will take.  Definitely sounds like the QB put them in some bad spots.  The Jackets need an identity..

re:  TMC beats Hanover 40-24...I'd love to hear about this game from someone who was there.  TMC is starting a freshman at QB, sounds like they played well.  Good start to the Hilvert era. 

re:  Michigan...wow.  I think I said awhile back that App St would not be a big blowout victim but I didn't think they'd actually play 4 full quarters and win.  Crazy.  By the way, App St. is a good 1-AA team (or whatever its called now), but seriously would not beat most of the top 50 teams in the country.  Today was a fluke brought on because Lloyd Carr is garbage...  They could compete with the also rans of D1, but the scholarship situation is too much to overcome.

re:  MSJ

I'd like to hear about this game as well, I didn't think Wilma would be that close to them, having seen the Quakers last weekend in the scrimmage. 

re:  Notre Dame

going to be a long year for the Irish and Irish fans...  thats as bad a beating as I can remember for the season openers.  They need to pick a QB that they trust to throw the ball and run the spread offense.  He's not going to be Brady Quinn, but there's NO WAY the option should be a staple of the offense in South Bend.  Maybe as a blitz beater or a change up, but come on.  You're freaking Notre Dame...are you telling me there's NOBODY on the roster that can make throws when the game is close?  Pathetic.  They will definitely be 0-8 this year...and it could finally be the year Navy ends "the streak".  Roger Staubach fans will rejoice this year in South Bend...and unfortunately, I'll be there to see it. 

I also think Ohio State is in for a long season....just a feeling here. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 01, 2007, 08:10:14 PM
VBell -

Mood music is cued up on the Dual turntable - "Electric Aunt Jemima" from Zappa's Uncle Meat album and Publix SuperMarket has a 2 for 1 on Kraft this week.

"Holidays and Salad Days and Days of Moldy Mayonnaisse...Caress me Aunt Jemima  ;D

From the excerpts seen, it appeared that Mike Hart was the only superlative for M in the face of an onslaught from a couple, fleet-footed wideouts and QB, from the banks of the Watauga.  Tough day in Ann Arbor, but shame on Carr for not having them ready to play.   >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2007, 10:09:35 PM
SaintsFAN:

See my post to you over on our MIAA board.  Good to hear from you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 11:06:26 PM
Ohmigod! A fellow Zappa-head. Damn, cave2bens.

How about this one?

So I gathered up a mitten full of the deadly yellow snow crystals and proceeded to rub them into his beady little eyes with a vigorous circular motion. Let's hear it for the vigorous circular motion. Rub it!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 12:39:03 AM
If I am correct, Adam Sayer said a month ago, Michigan would have their hands full and it wouldn't suprise me if they lost. One of the DC guys also was with me on App State.

Ohio vs UsA. There will be a long post later, but I saw the 2 greatest HS football games I have ever seen. Colerain beats Hoover in OT (Hoover's coach screws up the clock situation and pisses down an opportunity to kick a FG to win the game) and Elder beats Independence, USA Today #3 and former owner of a 109 game win streak...until Elder beat them.

I am convinced, Ohio is THE BEST football state in America from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 12:39:40 AM
Hey JacketsFan:

Good to see you posting.  Looks like both our teams "took it on the chin" today ;D ::)  Hope all is well with you and yours.  I thought I recall you saying you might make it up to a DC game or two even though your son has graduated.  I'll send you an email to catch up on all the news in the next days or so.  Take care.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2007, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 12:39:03 AM
I am convinced, Ohio is THE BEST football state in America from top to bottom.

Now THERE'S something I'll bet that 'reality' TV has overlooked - a tournament of the 50 'bottom' teams in America!

I can see it now: "Our bottom can kick your bottom!"

"We're number ONE (well, except for every other team in our state)!"

"Ohio: the BEST bottom in America!"

:P ::) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 02, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
Sayer - if i recall i was the one who predicted the AppSt victory which lead VB to say if that happened he would swim naked with fat chicks in a pool of mayonaise.  I was also correct saying HasBeen would actually be happy becuase it would be the kiss of death for Lloyd.  while it was all in good fun UofM has struggled in recent years against very athletic QB's with lots of WR's.  that might be the best team in 1AA history no one came close to them last year and most everyone returned, they got some players.

Heading down to Nippert to see the dayton teams in the herbie classic.

in regards to DC, if you dont get it after a year or 2 starting at QB you have to wonder if they ever will get it...ask Jeff Eldred
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 11:17:16 AM
Situation: Hoover and Colerain are tied, 17-17 and Hoover has the ball 1st and goal with a minute left in the game. They run a few plays and are faced with a 3rd down with about 20 seconds left to play. Rather than call a timeout, Hoover's coach runs another play. Hoover snaps the ball with 6 seconds left and time runs out. Hoover never used the timeout. All this after Colerain scores only 3 points in the second half and the only reason they scored those 3 points was because a DL read the screen and intercepted the ball on the 20 or so yard line. Hoover stopped (you heard that right) Colerain's option in the 2nd half and Colerain didn't know what to do. In OT, Colerain has to settle for a FG. Hoover's 1st play in OT, QB nails a wide open WR on the 5 yard line but...he drops it. Similar to Ryan Hamby for OSU vs Texas. Colerain's defense comes alive and stops Hoover winning the game 20-17 with the help of a big sack to take them out of FG range.

Independence starts off their game by going down the field with ease and scoring. This game looked like it was going to be a blow out and Elder eventually came together, got a couple stops and went in to the half down 27-14. Elder was a different team in the second half, pounded the rock, threw the rock and looked like a great football team (complete 180 from 1st half).

Elder eventually scores to tie the game. The kicker misses the extra point. Independence goes down the field and scores to take the lead with about 3 minutes left. On Elder's ensuing drive they drive but get faced with a 4th and 15. They toss it up into triple coverage and #9, the unbelievable TE for Elder comes down with the 1st down reception (this is what it was like having Andy Wellendorf at MSJ). Elder eventually scores to tie the game. With less than a minute left Independence drives and kicks a 48 yard FG that ends up short. In OT, Elder gets the ball with momentum and scores a TD to take the lead. On 3rd down and long, Elder intercepts the QB and wins the game, ending Independence's 109 or whatever game win streak. Thay had not lost a football game since September of 2000 until last night and were ranked the highest of any team in the Classic (According to USA Today).

USA Today has St. X rankd #4 and DeMatha ranked #5. Should be a good one. Deer Park resident and St. X star HB, Darrius Ashley is not expected to play due to a sprained ankle.

In the other games

LaSalle loses 7-6 to Indianapolis Cathredral, giving up a TD late in the game (LaSalle's DB and stud WR gets beat bad on Cathedral's scoring drive for a 40+ yard catch)

Moeller loses a 22-14 lead and loses the game 26-22. Moeler drives to Mission Viejo's (CA) 20 yard line but can't complete the TD pass with 4 seconds left. Bob Crable, with 21 seconds left and the clock still running calls a QB dive on 3rd and 2 (on the 37 yard line). The QB gets stood up and Moeller loses an extra 8-10 seconds. I get the point that the clock stops with the first down, but you risk wasting 5-6 seconds on a play that will get you 2-3 yards when you don't have much time left and need a TD.

Overall great football yesterday and I hope more people can make it out next year. This has been good. JacketsFan, next September you and the boy should come up and watch. You'll get your football fix for the year.

www.ohiovsusa.com - I believe they may have 2008 teams on there. And Cardinal Mooney (Youngstown, OH) is a Division 4 school who is ranked in the USA Today poll (20-something I believe).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 02, 2007, 11:46:07 AM
Formerd3db, great hearing from you again. I'm not going anywhere. Just because my son graduated from DC doesn't mean I'm going to abandon all these d3.com hcac miscreants and reprobates. I'll be looking forward to hearing from you.

Yep, DC took it on the chin yesterday - and on every other exposed body surface, as well. I hate to see them start out this way and I'm afraid it's a bad omen. They've got to find themselves a reliable QB, one that can get the ball to his own team as efficiently as he can get it to the other team. He still has happy feet. He still throws wildly off his back foot. Shall I say more? And when he's got capable weapons to get the ball to (Dillon, Allen, Coralla, etc) it only makes it more frustrating that he can't. The O-line seemed to do well for their inexperience yesterday and that's good. The D gave up too many big plays and there's got to be more action at the point of attack. From what I could gather by listening, it seemed to me that DC didn't play with its usual fire and determination. Come on guys. Wake up.

Adam, I'd love to get up there, seeing as how I owe you a visit. Richard lost a massive bull redfish last weekend. Must've gone 25 lb or better. R was so tired after fighting him twenty minutes that he had cramps in those big ol' arms of his.

UF Football. Tim Tebow. God gawdamighty, son! The kid's got a space shuttle engine for an arm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2007, 12:44:36 PM
I would just like to see DC recruit a qb that is over 6' & isn't a run first qb.  Also, what happened to Curtis yesterday?  He had something like 6 carries.  I thought he would be carrying the work load in the run game.
JacketsFan- Flordia does look scary w/ that lefty slinging the ball all over the field.
70dcalum- now lets just see if uofm is smart enough to get rid of Carr or maybe they'll just wait for them to drop another one to OSU or a fifth straight bowl loss.  & yes I'm disgruntled!

By the way, if Ohio has the best high school football programs in the country then Michigan should start playing them in their opening week for now on. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 02, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
quick thoughts:

app st has more speed and michigan couldn't hang with them. that means simply that michigan is exposed and is going to be in for a long year. still, #5 michigan had no business losing to APP. ST, ever. they did, now I would fire everybody and bring bo's son to come and coach some life back into these guys.

hey, if you are playing appy st next week, are you even seriously considering beating them? get them in the BCS now. they run a funky offense like WVU, only funkier, and they can fly. speed, speed, speed, they could have kept up with USC better than Mich last year.

Ohio is by far the best football state, hands down. top to bottom across the board. i'll never say it isn't.

on a side note, nobody can seriously tell me that they expected app st to beat michigan. a lower level team playing the #5 team in nation!!! you all said it would be a game and they better not take them lightly. i said appy st will get pounded like the IAA program they are. if you really expected that upset, then you need to be placing a lot of bets in vegas and not being on here.

i've seen them play about 5 times and never thought they would beat michigan. i guess it's time for gvsu to play app st (they used to play IAA playoff teams and beat them pretty consistently) and get mount union playing gvsu. after yesterdays game, i cannot make predictions anymore and say it can't happen. it just f****** happened.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 06:34:45 PM
3-6 Ball State went toe to toe with 9-0 Michigan in the Big House last year. I think ASU is a better team than BSU and if Michigan is thinking of using ASU as a warm up game, they will be beaten.

I wasn't joking when I wrote this VBell. But I'm a not gambler other than the NCAA basketball tournament. This is the first year I'll be doing fantasy football.

St. X laid the wood on DeMatha. It was on ESPN so I hope all of you got to see it. St. X's defense is great. They may be better than Colerain's defense from their title run. They also put up almost 150 rushing without their star runningback. I hope now, Ohio teams get more respect in the USA Today. St. X should be #1 in the USA Today Poll.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 02, 2007, 09:31:10 PM
i believe that you didn't joke around. i am just shocked michigan lost. like i said, it just f****** happened. go app st, fire carr.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 02, 2007, 09:38:23 PM
Any names being thrown around as Coach Perry's replacement at Hanover?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 09:43:17 PM
HCAC colleagues:

In case you missed this last winter (and I did, thus my apologies for sending this if it has already been presented), here is something that I think will put things in perspective for all of us.  It does for me and a reminder for the next time I start to whine or complain about something in my day/life.  Go to:

// htt;:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qTiYA1WiY8

This story about a Univ of Louisville band member is as good as that one about the autistic h.s. basketball player that someone posted on the boards earlier this year.  Hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2007, 09:00:20 AM
InQBScout - Perry's replacement is north of the border named Lloyd Carr.  of course Hanover's prez does not want to pull the trigger because we are trying to get a little exposure and ar looking for a coach that can win in the post season!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 03, 2007, 09:31:29 AM
QuoteInQBScout - Perry's replacement is north of the border named Lloyd Carr.  of course Hanover's prez does not want to pull the trigger because we are trying to get a little exposure and ar looking for a coach that can win in the post season!!!

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 03, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
That was a low blow. I like it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2007, 03:57:13 PM
I just do not understand how he still has a job?  He is 5-7 in bowl games losing 4 in a row & I don't even want to get into his record vs. Tressel, & now he lost to a DIAA school!  If he can't get fired w/ that track record then he is truely untouchable.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2007, 06:25:54 PM
It was nice to see in the first top 25 poll Franklin & MSJ received some votes but after the first week Franklin gained very few & MSJ disappeared.  Not saying the HCAC really deserves to have a team in the top 25 or even getting votes, but it was nice to see two of them getting some early recognition.  Hopefully Franklin can make it two years in a row beating Wabash to be able to crack the top 25 or get a bit closer.

Any DC folk out there have any news on what is happening in Defiance?  Hopefully the offense gets their act together this week.  It would be nice to see some other people make some plays this week on O.  The stats make it look like either Vetter either ran the ball or the pass was to Dillon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 03, 2007, 07:13:18 PM
he won a national championship, that should count for something. he easily has one of the highest winning percentages since taking over for a drunk gary moeller. he puts together solid teams, even if they aren't in the top ten every year. they never has player conduct problems. they graduate players, a lot of them.  could have played for a few national championships if it weren't for OSU and tressell. would have this year (or been in the mix) if the juggernaut known as App. St. didn't come in town.

let's face it, carr runs a solid program. i think michigan would be worse off without him. he is a mainstay there, for many years. still runs it by the bo book and he'll be fine there. of course, if this season goes south, you may not see a forgiving michigan administration. michigan is still a class team and one to model others after. it's been by the bo rules since 1969, and i don't think it should change.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 03, 2007, 09:46:25 PM
The only rules at Ohio State and Michigan is you beat the rival and win the Bowl Game. You can't do that consistently. They say bye, bye real quick. You always have one foot out the door at programs like these.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 03, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Sources tell me that a defiance GA was busted in the stands filming adrian's scrimmage.  Taylor, the HC, may lose his job over it.  Can any Defiance fans substantiate this?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 03, 2007, 10:17:22 PM
No word on Coach Perry's replacement.  Probably too early for any names to be thrown around.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 03, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
espn just had a poll on whether or not carr should be fired.

i agree with you sayer, but in all actuality, michigan is a class program. now, the down side is that he lost to IAA team and will have to beat OSU and make a major bowl if he is keep his job. if that doesn't happe, then his whole body will be out the door.

they can't seriously be looking for perry's replacement already can they? let's wait until the ink is dry on the divorce papers first, just MO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2007, 10:36:30 PM
TrickSnaps - if they did it sure as hell did not help.

on Carr...runs a great program but so did John Cooper.  Cooper would have been playing for a few national championships throughout the 90's if it was not for Michigan.  even the 2002 starters were mostly Coopers guys.  ask cooper if the last game and the Bowl matters,  11-2 record can be very good or very bad depending on where the "2" comes from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 04, 2007, 07:12:48 AM
i believe they call him lloyd cooper in ohio.

yes, that was the kiss of death btw
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2007, 07:38:36 AM
Quote from: tricksnaps56 on September 03, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Sources tell me that a defiance GA was busted in the stands filming adrian's scrimmage.  Taylor, the HC, may lose his job over it.  Can any Defiance fans substantiate this?

I can't, but Kean was busted about a decade ago for doing the same at Western Connecticut.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on September 04, 2007, 08:22:53 AM
Talked to some people about the HC game.  I guess the O looked pretty good - especially for starting a freshman QB- but it doesn't help when they have to score every time because the D can't stop my grandma.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 04, 2007, 11:04:32 AM
We grandmas take exception.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 12:00:06 PM
tricksnap56:

From what I have heard from people at the scrimmage and at Adrian is the DC assistant was caught in the stands trying to film the scrimmage by the Adrian AD who then had him removed from the facility.  It is not the first time DC had shown up at an Adrian scrimmage, as they made their way to ONU last year, but it is the first time I am aware that they attempted to film it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 04, 2007, 12:38:43 PM
I am not surprised that Adrian caught them, because they knew what to look for.

In Franklins 2005 season opener at Ohio Wesleyan a couple Adrian personel were caught filming that game by the OWU athletic staff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 12:49:34 PM
Adrian hasnt played Franklin since the 03-04 season, played Franklin at their places, the score was 48-13 I believe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 04, 2007, 12:59:26 PM
I apologize and stand corrected. It was Olivet who I was thinking about.

They say when you turn 50 the first thing to go is your memory, sorry. :-[

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
Kygrizz:

No problem.  I actually had heard that about Olivet, thats been a topic on them before. 

On another note Franklin had one of the nicest stadiums i played in in my career, the red brick and fencing is really a nice touch and it lends itself to the DIII game day atmosphere.  The fans in the endzone taunting the whole game were also a nice touch, some people just feed off of that.  Franklin had a decent team that year (03-04) and you could tell they were building for the future with the offense they were running, its good to see that it has paid some dividends and they are now contending.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 04, 2007, 02:39:57 PM
I agree w/ 70dcalum about Carr.  It doesn't matter what kind of program you run, it depends on bowl games & beating OSU which of lately Carr is having a hard time accomplishing. 

It is pretty sad to hear (if true) that DC is resorting to trying to tape scrimmages when it isn't permitted.  I would hope that this is only a rumor.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 04, 2007, 04:53:06 PM
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I agree w/ 70dcalum about Carr.  It doesn't matter what kind of program you run, it depends on bowl games & beating OSU which of lately Carr is having a hard time accomplishing.

Agreed.  Don't believe that Bo's spiritual presence will carry the same level of protection as his bodily occupation of an office down the hall.

Regarding "film gate," if rumor is true, there should be a sacking before a Congressional Investigation is called for, and all of Wood's "good works" have an asterix affixed.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 07:57:57 PM
I think that people filming other teams is something that goes on more than what you think. There are roughly 400 college football teams. To think that this is a 'rare' thing is crazy.

Now for a real question. Who will win the Notre Dame-Michigan game? Both teams looked like Duke could beat them on Saturday.

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 04, 2007, 08:05:08 PM
Actually there are about 650-700 four year college inter-collegiate football teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 04, 2007, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 07:57:57 PM
I think that people filming other teams is something that goes on more than what you think. There are roughly 400 college football teams. To think that this is a 'rare' thing is crazy.

Now for a real question. Who will win the Notre Dame-Michigan game? Both teams looked like Duke could beat them on Saturday.

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did?

The disrespect for Appalachian State (and, by implication, all 'lower' division teams) is appalling.  While UM SHOULD have beaten them (and would, 9 out of 10), ASU would beat Duke by 40+.  The overlap of divisions is way beyond what most fans (and, alas, most sportswriters) perceives.  ASU would beat a MAJORITY of d1A teams, just as Grand Valley would beat a MAJORITY of d1AA teams and Mount Union would beat many (perhaps even a majority) of d2 teams

In each case, depth MIGHT keep them from competing well over a full season at the 'higher' level, but in a one-game showdown I'm very certain of my statement.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 04, 2007, 10:06:42 PM
Well said, Mr. Ypsi!

The late, great GSU Eagles (Division 1AA) Head Coach Erskine "Erk" Russell built a program at Georgia Southern that would've made a lot of D1 coaches blush. He complied an 83-22-1 record in his eight seasons there and won the National Championships three times, two of them being back to back, the final time being the culmination of a perfect 15-0 season. If Er were alive and in his prime today and coaching the GSU Eagles the way be did in the 80s, Michigan State and other D1 programs would have more than one D1AA coach and program to worry about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 04, 2007, 10:08:01 PM
QuoteThe disrespect for Appalachian State (and, by implication, all 'lower' division teams) is appalling.  While UM SHOULD have beaten them (and would, 9 out of 10), ASU would beat Duke by 40+.  The overlap of divisions is way beyond what most fans (and, alas, most sportswriters) perceives.  ASU would beat a MAJORITY of d1A teams, just as Grand Valley would beat a MAJORITY of d1AA teams and Mount Union would beat many (perhaps even a majority) of d2 teams

In each case, depth MIGHT keep them from competing well over a full season at the 'higher' level, but in a one-game showdown I'm very certain of my statement.

Well stated...I think the important word here is depth---no question depth wins out in many of those match ups and certainly over the course of  a season...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 04, 2007, 10:09:51 PM
QuoteAnd something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did? 

The numbers may paint an appropriate abnalogy...but a pose this simple question...if given a choice, who would you want to coach your team---for a game or a season? Don't think that's a tough decision...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 11:20:26 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on September 04, 2007, 10:09:51 PM
QuoteAnd something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did? 

The numbers may paint an appropriate abnalogy...but a pose this simple question...if given a choice, who would you want to coach your team---for a game or a season? Don't think that's a tough decision...

That's an easy one now, but the point was at one time I heard Ty nicknamed 'Black Jesus.' That changed real quick when he started losing. Then it was Ty Davie. Regardless, and this may be a little premature, but does anyone else think Notre Dame may have jumped the gun on Weiss. I mean, he has yet to beat a team who ranked in the top 15 while at Notre Dame. His record against teams who were ranked at the time is decent (about .500) but against teams who finish as top 15/20 programs, his record is horrible.

I'm not a ND fan but I think they gave Ty Willingham a premature exit and didn't give him a fair chance. So far, both he and Weiss have started out very similar. Both had great success, and now Weiss is faced with a team who has a great chance to be bad, like Bob Davie bad or worse. I wonder if he will receive the same treatment as Ty.

Mr. Ypsi, was that a shot that I wasn't giving App State respect? If I recall, I was 1 of 2 who actually mentioned App State and winning in the same sentence against Michigan. I know how good of a program they are. The Duke reference was a shot because I hate Michigan and the Michigan/Notre Dame game is one of those where somebody's gotta win, though neither may deserve it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: frank uible on September 04, 2007, 08:05:08 PM
Actually there are about 650-700 four year college inter-collegiate football teams.

Really? Well, I guess your right. DI and IAA combined have over 250 and D3 has quite a few. I just threw out a quick estimate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2007, 12:41:41 AM
Adam,

Not a shot at you personally - your's was just the last straw on all the App. State - Michigan "greatest upset of all time" BS that's been going around.  (If UM were to lose to EMU next month - THAT would be the greatest upset of all time [though we Hurons/Eagles like the guaranteed money and the 'away' game 6 miles from Rynearson Stadium]!  UM plays Duke in bball, but fball - never!)

We fans of d3 should be especially aware of the rampant condescension of 'analysts' of inter-divisional play.  ASU is probably one of the top 30-40 teams in the country (probably higher in a one-game match, though depth might do them in over a full season) - Duke (and EMU) most definitely are not.

BTW, my grad school was Michigan.  I'm well aware that hatred of the Wolverines is a geographical hazard endemic to those from the state 'down south', but I like you anyway!  (Myself, I'm not too fond of the 'hairy nuts' in Columbus!) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 05, 2007, 01:23:55 AM
Quote
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2007, 12:41:41 AM

App. State - Michigan "greatest upset of all time" BS that's been going around.  (If UM were to lose to EMU next month - THAT would be the greatest upset of all time [though we Hurons/Eagles like the guaranteed money and the 'away' game 6 miles from Rynearson Stadium]

Well stated, and so refreshing to see the former nickname incorporated with the current.  As an "old f*rt, misplaced midwesterner stuck in Atlanta," there are certain aspects of southern football (which I'm sure JacketsFan will attest to) that folks from the north may not understand.  The Appalachian States, Georgia Southerns, and East Carolinas are not small schools - all have undergraduate populations equivalent to the MACs.  Further, competition for BCS rosters is far more keen, as the ACC and SEC cover a lot of geography/ talent pool and there is a shortage of mid-major alternatives for college play, compared to the east and midwest.  

Further, you have clubs like Wofford, Presbyterian, Davidson, W. Carolina, Elon, and Furman - which are small colleges compared to some of the MIAA and OAC playing D2, DIAA - heck the Catamounts from Culhowee got beaten by Florida in Gainesville almost as badly as the Bucks did in Phoenix.   ;)

And yeah, I did my grad work at CMU and some post grad courses in Ann Arbor as well.  ;D














Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 05, 2007, 01:38:51 AM
In the 60s (and perhaps before and when Duke was a national power in football)) U/M played Duke in football at least twice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 05, 2007, 05:42:40 AM
QuoteThat's an easy one now, but the point was at one time I heard Ty nicknamed 'Black Jesus.' That changed real quick when he started losing. Then it was Ty Davie. Regardless, and this may be a little premature, but does anyone else think Notre Dame may have jumped the gun on Weiss. I mean, he has yet to beat a team who ranked in the top 15 while at Notre Dame. His record against teams who were ranked at the time is decent (about .500) but against teams who finish as top 15/20 programs, his record is horrible.

I'm not a ND fan but I think they gave Ty Willingham a premature exit and didn't give him a fair chance. So far, both he and Weiss have started out very similar. Both had great success, and now Weiss is faced with a team who has a great chance to be bad, like Bob Davie bad or worse. I wonder if he will receive the same treatment as Ty.

well said..and yes, i do think nd may have jumped the gun a bit with weiss...as you suggest, his record so far against the big boys is far from impressive...and i think his arrogance is already begining to wear a bit thin...we'll see. it's just amazing to me how a school like nd, with its reputation, resources and its own network for crying out loud, can drop to this level...i can see some ups and downs...but based on week one performance and who they play the rest of the year (and kudos to them for scheduling some good schools)..it could get really ugly...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 05, 2007, 06:45:19 AM
It is nice to see some D3's remembered in the "greatest upset of all time (http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/rank?versionId=1&listId=34)", i.e., the 1921 Centre College win over Harvard and the 1926 Carnegie Tech win over Knute Rockne's Notre Dame.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 08:32:06 AM
Adam,

I used to subscribe to Blue and Gold Illustrated (and I am an ND fan).   According to sources in that publication, Willingham was playing alot of golf during the recruiting times.  He used smoke and mirrors to start his first season 8-0...using Bob Davie's recruits on defense and offense (offensively they were terrible).  Most outsiders say that he wasn't given a chance to groom his own recruits and thats a fair point, but they also don't know that YES, he recruited a couple standouts but not the level that even Davie had recruited and thus had to be let go. 

Fairly or unfairly, he wasn't doing his job..

Also, the jury is definitely still out on Weiss....he won with a few of Ty's recruits on offense and lost the big games with Ty's recruits on defense getting beat.  His handling of the QB situation has rubbed some the wrong way with the means he went about not telling anyone about it....then playing all 3.  The kicker was this week him saying he wasn't going to play musical chairs with the QB's....in announcing Clausen as starter. 

Myself, I can't wait for Dwayne Crist to be on campus this winter...He's a Carson Palmer type and I think will do well with the offense..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2007, 08:49:42 AM
JacketsFan - GSU had some squads a few years back.  i dont think they would have matched up as well against UM as AppState.  GSU would confuse you with the option and then run it down your throat with the Bears RB (his TD run against Youngstown St in the championship where he has a hip toss/stiff arm at the goal line was the best run i ever saw).  But overpowering UM for 4 quarters is not a gameplan many folks win with.  App State will line up 4-5 screamers on the outside and run past you and have a QB that is impossible to tackle which happens to be michigans achilles heel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 10:01:12 AM
DC70,

I saw that run....Adrian Peterson was the guy's name, if I remember correctly.

He had a brother that played LB for Florida and later the NFL for the Colts, I think.  Mike Peterson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 05, 2007, 10:01:35 AM
i had 5 friends who went to the game, and they all said it was one of the best games they have ever seen. they also said the app st. was faster and quicker at every position on the field!! they gave app st. a standing applause after the game. i'm not sure if the rest of the michigan faithful did the same. i am still in shock over them winning, but hey, when you can run and you can throw, anything is possible i guess. i thought mark may was going to punch lou holtz when he kept saying the spread was the equalizer.

dc shouldn't have to film their opponent like that. it's bush league and un-called for. olivet did that to fc a few years back, then wouldn't trade film. then fc thumped them on principle.

fc/wabash this week. huge game, tons of hitting expected in this one. i can't wait.

duke sucks, and yes there are a lot of DI teams that suck. there are also a lot of IAA that suck, and a lot of DII's that suck, and DIII's that suck. i think EMU played northern michigan in the late 70's and got whooped by them. it happens, but when you are #5 you better play the #5 card and beat somebody. detroit radio has been calling for Les Miles to take over michigan and fire carr. they apparently do not care that app st was loaded. they expect michigan to win.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 05, 2007, 10:02:38 AM
and it would be weird if they put bo in a glass case and put him down the hall for old time's sake. i know, you didn't mean that, i had a mental image and wanted to share that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 10:05:55 AM
Les Miles huh? 

He's a "Bo Disciple", but how long do you think his mouth would endear him to the UM fan base?  He's already called out USC this year...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: money on September 05, 2007, 10:08:12 AM
In regards to the Charlie WEIS and Willingham discussion.    There is no comparision as Saintsfan pointed out Ty was golfing instead of recruiting take a look at the senior class at Notre Dame there isn't one nearly all of the starters on Saturday were Freshman and Sophmore's.  Infact Tys last two recruiting classes he only had 2 Olineman.  If you follow Notre Dame closely you would know there is no comparision...  Charlie has recruited a top 5 class, #8 last year and currently the top recruiting class this year.  he has won 19 games in two years...They will take their licks this year because Ty slacked on the recruiting trail and ND has no upperclassman and no depth.....but mark my words after this year ND will be atop of college football for years to come the talent/speed is coming.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 05, 2007, 10:29:56 AM
plus, i think everybody is scared of weiss. that man knows how to win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: money on September 05, 2007, 10:40:51 AM
maybe they are scared of weiss is that walt weiss the former short stop for the oakland A's....Charlie Weis notice only one 'S'  sorry just me being an ass but everyone spells his name wrong...kindof like Kerry Wood everyone spells it  Woods pet peive of mine
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 10:42:54 AM
Great story on a Bluffton RB and survivor of the bus wreck this spring...on the front page..

Guy changed his number to 5...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 05, 2007, 10:56:49 AM
Les Miles?  What exactly has Les Miles ever won?  I'm not a Michigan guy or even really a Big Ten guy (I grew up in Pac-10 country) so I have no dog in this hunt...I just don't know what Les Miles has ever actually accomplished that sets him apart from somebody like Lloyd Carr.  I tend to agree that Michigan could use a change of pace, but I'm not sure I'd be thrilled about hiring Les Miles if I were a Wolverine fan. 

Are any of you FC guys headed over to C'ville this weekend?  Should be a great game on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 11:13:15 AM
Wally,

He'd talk his way out of the job during the interview process...

His one claim to fame is beating Oklahoma a couple times during his stay at Okie State.....not exactly a great resume.  LSU fans are ready to have his head delivered to them should he not win the West Division this year for the third year in a row...while having superior talent.  Seems like he would be the same "pace" they are at now with Carr...losing big games with superior talent..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 05, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
QuoteCharlie Weis notice only one 'S'  sorry just me being an ass but everyone spells his name wrong...kindof like Kerry Wood everyone spells it  Woods pet peive of mine

Thanks for the spell check---I must have been blinded by that ridiculous SB ring the arrogant one carts around on his finger...but nice reference to walt weiss... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: money on September 05, 2007, 12:46:48 PM
He does have 3 of them....there are just some people who are going to hate ND and their coach no matter what they do ...I have a feeling if he was coaching your favorite team you wouldn't see him as being arrogant......maybe I am a little biased...Kindof like how I hate the sweatervest in columbus and the snakes salesman in Florida...we all look through different glasses
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 05, 2007, 01:45:00 PM
QuoteI have a feeling if he was coaching your favorite team you wouldn't see him as being arrogant......maybe I am a little biased...Kindof like how I hate the sweatervest in columbus and the snakes salesman in Florida...we all look through different glasses

point well taken...i'm a convert to the other side...grew up as a HUGE ND fan but began to waver after Lou left...and the decreasing on field performance and increasing arrogance (my take) have combined to adjust my view of the domers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 01:58:54 PM
INQB,

its not too late to come back...there's alot of room on the bandwagon now that they'll have a down year....

I was pissed when Lou left, but also you have to consider they won't let anyone break Rockne's record for wins...

I miss the building up of opponents as only Lou could do..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 04:14:55 PM
Hey so winners and losers from week 1??  I'm not just talking about wins and losses....

Looks like MSJ has a couple "chinks" in the armor from their game against Wilma...my question is, How many times did the Lions have to defend the bubble screen?

Defiance and Hanover also look like they had tough days.  Some MIAA'ers weren't expecting 'yo' Adrian to take it to the Jackets like that...with 35 points scored and 270 yards gained.  Sounds like the DC Defense was put in some tough spots.

Glad to see Thomas More end the Hanover series with a win...

Big game this weekend at Wabash...does Franklin compete like last season?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2007, 05:13:44 PM
Defiance again is struggling w/ offensive turnovers once again.  Turning it over 5 times to Adrian's 0 doesn't give you a snowball's chance in hell to winning.  I would like to see what they are capable of when they put it all together.

On the Franklin/Wabash game, I think Franklin will most certainly compete.  I think Franklin is even better this year compared to last year. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 05, 2007, 06:43:31 PM
MSJ finally looks like they have a legit QB. It's only been 1 game, but his numbers were good. I'll have to wait to see him in person Saturday night.

I took a shot at Michigan cause I hate Michigan. Do I think Duke would really beat them...no. But whenever I have the chance to down the state up north, I do it.

If Ty was indeed working on his professional golf game rather than recruiting then he deserved to be ousted, however, when you start to lose, everyone looks for a reason to can you. Maybe 3-4 rounds of golf during recruiting season was made out to be he golfed every day. I think if you give someone a contract, you honor that contract unless made void by an action. I would like to know what happens IF (and it's a big if) Charlie Weis starts to struggle. Notre Dame can't afford to get out of that 10-year deal.


Any MSJ guys...what's the deal for Saturday. Drinking in the parking lot? Anyone got a spot?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 05, 2007, 07:05:09 PM
Sayer, Richard and I caught some big-ass fish Saturday. We thought about you and then caught some more big-ass fish. Shoulda been here, dude.

DC - I don't know, Cisco. It don't look good to me. The only reason Otterbein didn't smear them last year was because DC's defense kicked their teeth in the whole game. Mr. I'll Pass To Anyone Not Wearing A DC Jersey screwed the pooch that game last year and will this year too if they play him. DC ought to let one of the two new freshmen QBs give it a try. They might even surprise someone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 05, 2007, 08:09:06 PM
QuoteNotre Dame can't afford to get out of that 10-year deal.

Wouldn't be so sure - aside of UM, Northwestern, UChicago, Wash U, and Case Western, they've a bigger stash of money than about any other midwestern school, though it would undoubtedly require some fancy accounting and side-steps around some fund requisites.

Defiance - how about putting Vetter into a DB position?  Perhaps his ability to find them from an offensive side (double meaning deliberate ;D), might transfer into a defensive mode? He may need a dose of what we called in high school, the Dick Strahm fear coefficient.  Otterbein may make for a long day in the Back 40.

Wabash-Franklin.  Should be very interesting, and there is some inherent curiosity as to what Leonard will pull from his hat to equate the big plays by Sears in last year's matchup.  In spite of a lowly showing at the Wheaton scrimmage last week, Russell, Green, Banach, and some other LGs didn't play, and CC may not have wanted to show a hand or risk injury.  Rumblings from Crawdadsville are that the LGs are substantially faster and in a serious state of mind for this week's Hollett encounter.  Should be a good game, and the wagers are flying amongst my family -
three FC alums, two 'Bash alums - though "dragon lady" wants to head up to Bryan by way of Defiance, I'm driving - we're going through Indiana.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 05, 2007, 08:17:39 PM
I'd be tempted to move Vetter into a running back position. He's got speed and agility. He's got some size on him and he's pretty strong. From what I hear, he's diligent about his time in the gym and working out. Who knows, that might be where lies his strength. No shame in that. Let's see, I can be an unsuccessful QB and not win games or a successful RB and win games .... Hmmm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on September 05, 2007, 08:24:14 PM
Weekly Wabash Press Release with game preview and 2-deep match-ups:  Wabash College vs. Franklin College.

http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/Release9507.pdf

Is Franklin's returning center Mark Evans hurt?  How did Wheat beat out Henkle - same question, is Henkle hurt?

Serious matchup problems in secondary could help Bash.

Expect a very good game...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 06, 2007, 12:17:24 AM
You have a point, JacketsFan.  Move to RB might make life easier for the O-Line being able to block down instead of chase down.

"...and the vegetable will respond to you."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 07:17:04 AM
well, last week they were. this week they may not be.

what do you guys think about this subject, players acts like a complete jergogh in practice. they get in trouble, a total bad seed. do you kick this young man off the team or run him like bobby bowden ran peter warrick before the bowl game for stealing?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 06, 2007, 07:22:44 AM
QuoteI was pissed when Lou left, but also you have to consider they won't let anyone break Rockne's record for wins...

I miss the building up of opponents as only Lou could do..

Indeed...loved him as a motivator...and truly one of the great dinner/luncheon speakers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2007, 07:52:26 AM
is Franklin a "man or zone" team on defense?  I don't think the "serious match up problems in the 2ndary" will matter a whole lot should the Grizz employ a zone defense.  Now if they go mano y mano, different story. 

Sounds like Wabash head guy Creighton thinks Special Teams and Turnovers could be a problem area in their first game of the young season.  Also heard they didn't play some of their starters in that scrimmage.   Should be interesting Saturday none-the-less.

Developing..

Also, on DC's QB situation....an observer had said somewhere that DC's #1 QB was throwing the ball up for grabs and also that the Jackets had no interest in getting the ball to the stud receiver.  Is this so?  Do you think these guys have been coached up properly? 

(Not) Developing..

victory,

you boot the mofo.  Cancer is cancer no matter which way you cut it.  If you let this kid back with no repercussions, then the coach's authority comes into play, IMO.   Look at MSJ last year...by the way, has anyone checked on our boy lately?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 08:24:47 AM
it is comical that every person i have asked that question to has said "boot the motha" and move on. funny that every coach on the staff said the same thing, but the head coach was afraid he'll end up on the street. now if that isn't the tail wagging the dog, i don't know what is. hell, he even got a 2 week vacation without practice to think about how he dropped f-bombs all over the coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 06, 2007, 08:28:36 AM
Sayer,

I am going to Hunington for the Marshall WVU game.  Should be a blowout but the food and drink should be good.  I will see you at the next home game.

Jerome Bettis said yesterday on PTI that it is going to get worse for the Irish before it gets better.

In my eyes, if they win a bowl game it will be a good year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 06, 2007, 08:41:59 AM
QuoteIn my eyes, if they win a bowl game it will be a good year.

I think if they GET to a bowl game it will be  GREAT season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 06, 2007, 09:33:06 AM
Quote
Developing..

Also, on DC's QB situation....an observer had said somewhere that DC's #1 QB was throwing the ball up for grabs and also that the Jackets had no interest in getting the ball to the stud receiver.  Is this so?  Do you think these guys have been coached up properly?

Saints Fan,

According to DC stat ledger, aforementioned stud caught eleven balls (109 yds, 1TD) so it appears the problem may be one of getting said ball into proximity of the right-colored jersey.  Three interceptions, two lost fumbles, and six penalties for seventy-five yds (all fifteeners' ???) versus no opposition miscues goes a long way in explaining that outcome.  Wonder if starting QB has been checked for achromatopsia, but 18 rushes for 85 yds is indicative that he can run away from trouble if warranted.  Back up was perfect 2-2 for 14.  Didn't want to go through Westerville and deal with OSU football traffic anyway.

Victory Bell,

Is "the mothe" a candidate for the Vick School of Character Development and Cultural Pursuit? We've a current vacancy in Atlanta...

signed,

A blank  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2007, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 08:24:47 AM
it is comical that every person i have asked that question to has said "boot the motha" and move on. funny that every coach on the staff said the same thing, but the head coach was afraid he'll end up on the street. now if that isn't the tail wagging the dog, i don't know what is. hell, he even got a 2 week vacation without practice to think about how he dropped f-bombs all over the coach.

Where the hell was this?  Or can you say?  Not a good situation...


cave2bens,

I didn't see the stats...just going off of what was said, you know what happens when you assume.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 10:02:12 AM
can't say where, but it involves a very fast running back. speed is paramount in making these decisions. the back-up guard and fb got the axe over the summer.

interesting article i found:

BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

A few months ago, in a move that was neither announced nor reported, Michigan gave two-year contracts to all its football assistant coaches. Lloyd Carr had requested it.

Carr wanted some security for his assistant coaches in case he decided to retire after the 2007 season. The contracts are not rolling, but there is a mutual understanding that if Carr decides to come back in 2008, his assistants will be extended through 2009.

 
That way, if the assistants get fired and don't find other jobs, they each get a year's salary.

For Carr, this was one of the last steps in fulfilling the goal he laid out in May 1995, when his friend Gary Moeller was fired and Carr was suddenly the interim head coach: He wanted to leave the program in better shape than he found it.

"Bo and I had a lot of discussions in the last year about the future of this program," Carr said in a mid-August interview in his office in (Bo) Schembechler Hall. "We talked about a lot of things. And what I do know is that the only thing I have control over is trying to make sure that the day I leave, I can have peace of mind in knowing that I have done everything I can do to have this program in a position where it is in great shape."

How great? Michigan has earned Bowl Championship Series bids in three of the last four years. Only Ohio State, Southern California and Oklahoma can say that.

And as Carr sat in his office last month, he knew his 2007 team could head to another BCS game. He had senior stars Mike Hart, Chad Henne and Jake Long. The schedule was favorable. Ohio State and Notre Dame were breaking in new quarterbacks, and both schools were coming to Ann Arbor. So were Oregon and Penn State.

The pieces were in place for a run at the national championship. And if that happened, and Carr decided to announce his impending retirement in early December ...

Well, Carr has been adamant that school president Mary Sue Coleman and athletic director Bill Martin will choose his successor.

But wouldn't they have to ask him his opinion?

Wouldn't he be able to steer them toward somebody who would maintain the integrity of his program?

Would Martin really hire a coach who would take a broom through the entire coaching staff that had just earned a spot in the national title game? According to 2006-07 salaries, if the coaches all sat out the following year, Michigan would have to pay them $1,230,939 to not coach, on top of a likely raise of a few hundred thousand bucks for the new guy, because Carr has always been underpaid relative to his peers.

Wouldn't Carr have some leverage then, even if it was unspoken?

First things first: Carr told people privately that he was seriously worried about his team's opening game, against two-time defending I-AA champion Appalachian State. He knew there were legitimate questions about his defense, that Appalachian State had fast players running the spread offense, and that he wouldn't be able to fully evaluate his personnel until after the first game.

And Carr knew that, despite public perception, the best I-AA programs are better than a few dozen I-A teams. He would never, ever say this, but anybody watching film of Appalachian State and Eastern Michigan could see that Appalachian State was a much better team.

Carr's team was supposed to open the season against Eastern. Get the feet wet, win by three or four touchdowns, move on to the big boys. But Martin moved the EMU game to October and searched for a new opponent.

Martin found Appalachian State.

As he spoke in his office in August, Carr knew his opener was tougher than anybody realized.

But of course, he did not expect to lose.

And he could not foresee the national story that the loss would create.

A fascinating story

This is the story, which everybody has heard by now: Little Appalachian State beat mighty Michigan, 34-32, in one of the biggest upsets in college football history. Appalachian State is in the division formerly known as 1-AA, and no 1-AA school had ever beaten a ranked team.

Michigan was outcoached, outplayed and totally embarrassed itself. Carr's team looked unprepared. Kirk Herbstreit, arguably the best college football analyst on TV, told a national viewing audience Saturday night on ABC that it's surprising that Appalachian State could even stay on the field with Michigan.

That is the story.

In many ways, it should be the story. It is, objectively speaking, a fascinating story.

But for a moment, let's try to separate the story from the game.

Mountaineers have talent

To fans in Michigan Stadium, or those tuning in, the first indication that Appalachian State would put up a real fight came after Michigan took a 7-0 lead. The Mountaineers responded with a 68-yard touchdown pass.

Two aspects of that touchdown pass provide insight into what transpired Saturday. One is that Michigan safety Stevie Brown blew the tackle. It was one of a litany of Michigan mistakes. The Wolverines absolutely were outcoached and outplayed. If you saw the game, you know that. Carr has acknowledged his team was unprepared, and he has taken responsibility.

But here is the other interesting part of that play, what you probably don't know: the Appalachian State receiver, Dexter Jackson, is one of the fastest players in the country. He ran the 100-meter dash in 10.51 seconds at the NCAA East Regionals in May and ran the 200 in 21.01.

For some perspective: the Southeastern Conference's best sprinters competed in the same meet, and only one, Florida's Willie Perry, finished ahead of Jackson in either race.

See, Appalachian State has some excellent players, too. Not as many. But some.

There is a perception that there is a big gap between 1-A (now called the Bowl Subdivision) and I-AA (now called Championship Subdivision) football, and that the 113 1-A schools are all better than the best 1-AA teams.

It isn't true. BCS analyst Jerry Palm told the Free Press that "the really good I-AA teams can win the Sun Belt and win the (Mid-American Conference)." We know this is true, because in 1997, Marshall jumped from I-AA to I-A and won the MAC.

Nobody wants to hear that, and who can blame them? Michigan should still beat the best team in the MAC. And the story is irresistible.

Carr's savvy underestimated

This is the kind of story that people in the news business say "has legs." Monday, two days after the game, people around the country were still buzzing about. Various media outlets have echoed this headline in The New York Times:

"Upset in the Books, Focus Now Shifts to a Coach's Future."

The Times speculated that Carr might step down after the season. Fans and other reporters have wondered: How long will Martin let Carr coach?

Anybody asking that question does not understand the dynamics in play at Michigan. Martin could not fire Carr if he wanted to, and there is no indication he wants to. People continually underestimate Carr's political savvy and the respect he garners within the university.

How can the school keep a coach who has lost five of six to Ohio State, has not won a bowl game since 2002 and just suffered the most embarrassing loss in school history?

Hmm. Maybe it has something to do with the fact he has won almost 76% of his games, won the school's only national title since 1948, has never had a losing season, has never been in trouble with the NCAA or the law and has finished in the top 10 in three of the last four years.

How many coaches in the history of college football have been fired with that resume?

Any?

U-M not necessarily doomed

The story is that Appalachian State beating Michigan is unprecedented.

Absolutely true.

But there are a few near-precedents that are worth noting.

In 1999, Stanford lost to San Jose State and won the Pac-10. That same year, Alabama lost to Louisiana Tech and won the mighty SEC. Last year, I-AA Montana State beat Colorado.

That doesn't mean Michigan should have lost to Appalachian State. Of course Michigan should have won, just as Michigan should beat Indiana or Northwestern or Syracuse, teams that are probably all worse than Appalachian State this year.

But this doesn't mean the Wolverines are doomed for the rest of the year.

This week, Lloyd Carr and his players can't do anything about the story. It has already been told too many times, and it is too irresistible. The stain of humiliation is not coming out.

But they can do something about what happened in the game. They can cut down on the mistakes. They can put a spy on Oregon's quarterback, as they did against Appalachian State in the second half Saturday, and (finally) slow down a spread offense. Henne can recover from one of his worst games to show why he will be a first-day NFL draft pick.

They can beat Oregon, beat an undermanned Notre Dame team and contend for the Big Ten title.

But they can only do it if they can get past the story.

Still Bo's program

Room 2012 in Schembechler Hall remains largely untouched since last November. There are still letters sprayed across the desk, pictures hanging on the wall, Post-it notes stuck to random pieces of paper. This is not an accident.

"As far as I'm concerned," Carr said, "that's Bo's office."

As far as he's concerned, this is Bo's program. Not necessarily in style (Michigan's offense has changed drastically in the last 17 years, despite complaints from disgruntled fans) but in substance. The head coach still does not think he is bigger than the university. The assistants still try to follow every recruiting rule to the letter.

Carr bristles whenever somebody implies he is determined to hand-pick his successor from his own staff. He doesn't want the impression that he is running the search, or that his successor will not have earned the job.

But I think there is another reason Carr objects when people say he is set on handing the keys to one of his assistants:

It isn't true.

Carr wants somebody who upholds his beliefs about the program. That doesn't necessarily mean somebody with Michigan ties. It means somebody with Michigan values. For example, if Coleman and Martin could somehow lure Kirk Ferentz away from Iowa, you would surely hear glowing comments about the hire from Carr.

Carr's fear is not getting fired, which won't happen, or losing to Ohio State again, which might. He doesn't even fear that an outsider will take over the program. No. He just does not want the football program to suffer a scandal like the one that brought down the Michigan basketball program.

Carr wants a successor who respects the tradition and legacy of the program while winning most of his games in an ever-evolving, cutthroat sport. That is what Carr has done. He is far from perfect. But that is what he has done.

One thing about college sports: Coaches tend to know who is clean and who isn't. Not every scandal gets reported. Some coaches have great reputations in the media but not with their colleagues.

If Martin and Coleman focus on a coach who Carr believes cheats, will Carr warn them?

"I will absolutely do that," he said in August.

He paused.

"I should qualify that by saying I will absolutely do that if I'm asked," he said. "And I hope I will be asked."

Contact MICHAEL ROSENBERG at 313-222-6052 or mrosenberg@freepress.com.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2007, 04:27:47 PM
I still think there is no excuse for UofM losing to App State, Lyodd Carr won his national title w/ Moellar's recruits, & I do think a coach should get fired if they can't beat their rival & have lost their last four bowl games.

Viva la Bo!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 06:15:32 PM
agreed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 06, 2007, 07:58:52 PM
FYI,

Hanover is trying to work it out so that they still play TMC.  They just want to add Centre and still play Butler.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 06, 2007, 11:01:45 PM
How about the Bearcats whipping the Pac-10 on ESPN. I think their defense had 5 TO's including a blocked punt which UC scored 27 of their 34 points from. The UC offense struggled. At the time (game is still going on) they have negative yards rushing and about 145 passing.

MTSU and Louisville was interesting. They played a 4-quarter 7 on 7 game as it was 50 something - 42 with a whole quarter to play.

I love Lloyd Carr. I hope he stays at Michigan for another 10 years.

The best part of the UC game was ESPN gave The Chicken on the Run a shout out. The Chicken, as us locals call it, is a little bar (primarily) and grill (secondarily) in Deer Park about a half mile down the street from me on Ohio Ave. They started talking about Skyline and someone mentioned The Chicken. Great.

Also, another famous Deer Parkian, Bill Cunningham, was in the news for calling Adam Dunn a drunkin monkey in Left Field. Everyone made a fuss about it but the chances are it's true. Word around "was" that Dunn would drink a 6-pack before the games...as a local reporter had stated (Off the record of course.) I believe the words were, "Adam Dunn's a decent ball player but he would be a lot better if he didn't drink a 6-pack before the game."

Who loves The Park...I do, but they're going down Friday night!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 07, 2007, 12:15:38 AM
Pick 'em's are updated - don't forget to make your picks for Week 2.

Colts got off to a rousing start tonight - defense looked a lot better than I expected.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2007, 08:21:53 AM
Tricks,

Thats great news...I knew HC wasn't going to pu$$ out of a rivalry game like others have..

adam,

it was 5 INT's and 7 TO's overall for the UC Defense....amazing, I couldn't believe the score when I turned it on in the 4th quarter (I had to play softball last night).   

ESPN did a replay of the U of L game.  It was 21-14 after 4 minutes of play.  They had 500 yards of offense between them after the first quarter, with Brohm throwing for 223 yards in the quarter....amazing.  They SHOULD drop giving up that amount of points to Middle Tennessee St. 

No wonder Dunn got all pi$$y when Cunningham said this.  BTW, thats the 2nd time he's said his mom called him crying.  Nice ploy, Dunn....next time nobody will believe you.  She already can't listen to Marty and Cowboy...

Something has to explain the way he plays in the field and the reason he can't do anything but pull the ball (reminds me of a drunken softball player I saw last night)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2007, 08:52:46 AM
Here's a nice link about the Mountaineers. Apparently App State T-shirts have been selling like hotcakes in Ohio. Hmmm.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3008022
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on September 07, 2007, 10:29:25 AM
Any one going to the MSJ game Saturday Night?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on September 07, 2007, 10:32:35 AM
I'm pissed that I missed thous two games.  When I got home it was already half time for both games.  And then fell asleep by 10o'clock and didn't get see any of the Elder kids play.

The Chicken?  Where the hell is that place, never heard of it.  Oh it must be on the east side of 75.  Any over there scares me.

Sayer, the only reason why you like Carr is because he can't beat Jim Tressel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 07, 2007, 10:47:36 AM
Did they mention Never on Sunday?  and Squeak the barber/mayor of Deer Park?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2007, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: tepee on September 07, 2007, 10:47:36 AM
Did they mention Never on Sunday? 


Nope, I don't think I heard them mention The Browns one time. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2007, 11:26:59 PM
FUNNY.

I'll be at the game. Purcell came up short against Da Park 14-9. Lots of TO's and Purcell not being able to put the ball in the endzone in the 1st quarter hurt them. They settled for 3 and had to go for two at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 08, 2007, 01:35:44 PM
Any updates on FC, Wabash game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 02:09:30 PM
Wabash 14
Franklin 10

In the rain, second quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 02:22:22 PM
WABASH 21
FRANKLIN 10

51 pass from Huff to Banach; 86 yd drive... 3 passing TDs for Huff

Hartsfield had 75 yd TD for Griz.  3 minutes left in 1st half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 02:36:53 PM
Phantom interference call, and a supposed, juggling act in the endzone...can only go with the commentators are saying...

Franklin scores a touchdown near the end of the half w/ 15 seconds.  W 21, Griz 17 (?)

2 seconds to go - Wabash has ball at midfield;
Rode tackled before ball got to him at 2 yd line - no freakin' flag.  Bull ^&*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2007, 03:04:22 PM
Any word on any other HCAC action?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:09:15 PM
Haven't seen any posts for games in Richmond or Madison.  Think rest are scheduled for evening.  Bash scored right out of locker room, and just got ball back again with 11:43 left in 3rd.  Bash 28, Franklin 17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:36:02 PM
Griz has strong 83 yd drive that ends in FG.  Wabash turns around, drives 63 yds in two plays.  Huff has 4th TD to Guerro - Wabash 35 and Franklin 20.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 08, 2007, 03:37:38 PM
How much time is left in the game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:41:43 PM
12:48 left in 4th.  Franklin has ball on "Bash 39
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:49:10 PM
Franklin drives the ball in from the 44 - Rupp to Gorrell.  35-27, and roughing the passer penalty doesn't help Wabash.  10+ minutes left
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2007, 04:14:33 PM
Sounds like FC has the same problem as the FC teams in the past...DEFENSE.

I'm currently watching the Michigan game and The Ducks just ran the swinging gate for the 2pt conversion and lead 11-7. Michigan just fumbled deep in their own territory. Things keep going like this, I'd expect Lloyd's resignation Monday morning.

Ohio State's offense struggled but the defense pitched a shutout. Looks like they are going back to tressel ball. I know they haven't played anyone, bu their D looks tough.

I'll get back to y'all after I get back from the MSJ game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 04:20:22 PM
Franklin scores; 2 pt conversion missed.  Wabash 35, Franklin 33.  24 seconds left.

Wabash recovers on-side kick, and Dustin Huff injured on the play.  He's finally up, but being assisted from the field (ankle).  Hudson in at QB.  Combined offense over 1000 yds.  "Hands" are one thing, but a star QB (27-44, 4 TDs, 477 yards) on suicide squad?

Wabash takes the knees.  Downside is not beating the spread on NCAC board, and whether Huff is a longterm loss for a short term win.

Great game by both teams, and congrats to Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 08, 2007, 04:47:02 PM
Congrats to Franklin. You guys played a great game and showed a ton of heart coming back. Rupp is a beast and you guys have a great year ahead of you. I hope we can meet again in the playoffs. Good luck Grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 08, 2007, 07:32:42 PM
i am just glad the days of grizzly losses met with laughter and beer are now gone. losses these days involve a dark room, a game tape, beer, and a lot of self reflection.

wabash, heck of a team. played great. we'll be back next week and get this ship in the right direction again. i know we are all personally hoping to see you in the playoffs.

lick your wounds, find out how you can do better, and get back out there.

"Keep sending him back up."
- Tom Skerrit, to his admiral in Top Gun concerning Maverick
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 08, 2007, 08:10:26 PM
What's going on with the DC/Ott game? I can't get the game for some reason, only the silly radio station music. Wasn't the game supposed to start 7:30?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2007, 09:11:56 PM
VBell,

How many times was Henkle's name called today?  I lost count - he had a monster game.  As did Rupp, but that seems to be the norm for him against Wabash.  Gorrell had a big game, and Hartsfield had a huge run.  I can tell you that even up 28-17, the lead never felt safe (for good reason, as it turned out).  Good luck the rest of the way - as you said, there may be a rematch looming in the near future.  I just hope we're at full strength the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2007, 11:02:16 PM
Saw on the OAC board that the DC game was delayed due to the weather conditions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
Oregon 39, Michigan 7

Michigan 0-2

I can't imagine the natives are going to stand for much more of this.

Just breaks my heart!  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 08, 2007, 11:50:47 PM
can somebody explain to me why your qb was on the hands team? after he torches the grizzly secondary to the tune of a million yards, why is he on that team???? probably the only poor coaching job by wabash the whole day. i hope he is back soon, and at full strength.

rupp, hinkle, good ball players, great people. you'll find them both very humble, i'd want them to take my sister out on a date.

long day of ball, i still haven't received all the scores, i am calling it a day. god bless america for letting us get a day of ball like this, even though the grizzlies came up short. by damn, we still have a shot to be 9-1 and making the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 11:53:21 PM
Last score seen from Westerville - DC 13 and Otterbein 0 at the half.   :o
So much for pool action today, but at least I picked Heidelberg  ;)

VB - and after your sister, have them take my wife out (please) and give me a break  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 12:03:30 AM
The Michigan game was an ugly one today & their backup doesn't look like the savior either.  Hopefully Henne is ok & Mich can bounce back.  I'm just happy this is Carr's last year at the Big House b/c they'll be losing even more talent this year than last.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2007, 12:24:54 AM
A trivia question (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure dozens of sportswriters/broadcasters will inform me in the coming week!) which will warm the hearts of Michigan and/or Notre Dame haters: as the two winningest programs in college football, have they EVER faced each other with a combined 0-4 (or worse) record?  And since one has to win, one lose, this coming week, has there ever been a year when they started 0-3, 1-2 (or worse) in the same year?

I have already seen that this is the first time UM has started with two losses at home since 1959.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on September 09, 2007, 12:32:29 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2007, 12:24:54 AM
A trivia question (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure dozens of sportswriters/broadcasters will inform me in the coming week!) which will warm the hearts of Michigan and/or Notre Dame haters: as the two winningest programs in college football, have they EVER faced each other with a combined 0-4 (or worse) record?  And since one has to win, one lose, this coming week, has there ever been a year when they started 0-3, 1-2 (or worse) in the same year?

I have already seen that this is the first time UM has started with two losses at home since 1959.

This is the first time ever the U of M and ND have both started 0-2 so they have never faced each other under these conditions. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2007, 12:44:20 AM
QuoteA trivia question (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure dozens of sportswriters/broadcasters will inform me in the coming week!) which will warm the hearts of Michigan and/or Notre Dame haters: as the two winningest programs in college football, have they EVER faced each other with a combined 0-4 (or worse) record?  And since one has to win, one lose, this coming week, has there ever been a year when they started 0-3, 1-2 (or worse) in the same year?


Holtz, et.al. broke down this very question at halftime of the LSU-VaTech... what was really startling was the PPG avg given up by each teams' defenses over the last four games - 37.6 for ND and 36.8 for MI.  That is bloody pathetic - h*ll, the US didn't give up that many points to England in the Rugby Championships, yesterday - that betting line was 34+
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 12:49:19 AM
DC 16 Ott 8 early in the fourth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on September 09, 2007, 12:52:01 AM
Franklin -  fantastic game today.  Rupp is topshelf and your defense is very tough against the run.   Your D ran into a prolific passing offense today that has many weapons, but it was almost not enough.

Good luck during the rest of the season and bring home a conference championship!

Are we on your schedule next year?  or was it a 2 year deal.   I would like to see you become a regular on the Wabash schedule. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2007, 12:59:08 AM
DC 16  Ott 14   5:05 left.

Darned storms - I need my beauty sleep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 09, 2007, 01:02:48 AM
Damn, maybe DC is going to pull one out of its hat tonight. I still can't get the game. Cave2bens, have you been listening to it? How's DC done?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 01:04:25 AM
The thing that sucks for me is that I'm out here on the west coast & it's only 10 p.m. & I can't get the game on the web.  Now I'm waiting to get the final score so that I can finally go out.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 01:09:30 AM
Looks like that is it, DC 16 Ott 14!  Last time I checked the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 09, 2007, 01:10:46 AM
Well I'll be sheep dipped! They pulled it off 16-14. Way to go DC! Anyone know any stats yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2007, 01:11:59 AM
DC won it, and I have no idea how the game played out, JacketsFan.

My reception in Atlanta was about as good as yours in Fernandina Bch.

"It's easy to see, the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe"
   along with the D3 sports links on the individual schools.  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 01:12:48 AM
Nothing is up yet w/ stats on the HCAC site for dc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 09, 2007, 01:33:33 AM
" ...  And it was at that precise moment that he remembered an ancient Eskimo legend wherein it is written, on whatever it is that they write it on up there, that if anything bad ever happens to your eyes as a result of some sort of conflict with anyone named Nonook, the only way to get it fixed up is to go trudging across the tundra - mile after mile - trudging across the tundra right on down to the Parish of St. Alfonso ... "
;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 09, 2007, 07:37:48 AM
something tells me the offensive player of the week may be coming out of DC this week.

"Defiance's Luke Dillon stole the show as he outgained the entire Otterbein offense (258-251) and set a school record with 258 receiving yards and 17 receptions"

3hr rain delay...that would suckthey probably got back at 4-5am today
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2007, 11:03:34 AM
MSJ looked bad in the first half. I mean 2001 MSJ bad in the first half. But they still led at halftime 21-20. RHIT moved the ball up and down the field both with the run and pass and if it wern't for a couple of TO's, and a helluva kick return by MSJ, they would have been down 20-0. It didn't help that they lost the field position battle in the first half, but they looked horrible. There were about 10 of us on the hill who were on the 2004 team and we were embarrassed after the first half. One guy just flat out left.

The second half was a complete 180. I don't know if they underestimated RHIT and after the first half, woke up, but they looked pretty good. The QB had time (literally had 2 seconds to pass in the 1st half), Lovell made some good runs, and the defense stepped up and forced quite a few TO's.

MSJ's QB actually looks alright when he gets time to throw and has enough speed to make plays with his feet when things break down. He didn't throw any fade routes that were caught in the middle of the field cause "the wind took it." He did make a couple poor decisions but I would assume he will get better as he learns the college game a little more and gets some more PT (I thought the same would happen with Rashon, but......).

Being an O-lineman, I can't help but to say they need to be more consistent. They played like they didn't watch any film or prepare. I may not have been the best, most athletic, or the strongest, but I guarentee NO-ONE watched more film than me except for the coaches. I refused to be outprepared for a game. MSJ's O-line needs to start doing a little better preparation. RHIT's defense blew trough them like swiss cheese. Though the second half was better, an effort like that in the first half should get you ran and your a$$ thoroughly chewed. The QB literally had 2 seconds to throw. There were no holes for the HB. It all starts up front and the first half looked like they wern't ready. They need to put Anthony Bradford back on the OL. The kid is a good ball player and behind Wergers, is the best OL they have. He would greatly help playing guard.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2007, 11:21:10 AM
This is something that I was told. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, and if this is where the MSJ program is heading, it really bothers me.

Soriano, who as most of you know is a spread guy, came from a pretty decent program at Anderson HS. They wern't unbelievable, but they were good and he ran a respectable program. Word is that he came in and met with Mike Lovell. The same Mike Lovell who helped build MSJ into a HCAC Championship contender. He reportedly told Mike that he would be splitting time with a freshman running back because he was from Anderson and already knew the offense. Don't get me wrong, this kid is a decent back for being a freshman. But Mike has put in the time, has had over 1000 yards rushing every year (if Ricky Story had not came back he would have had almost 2000 yards in 2004), and is a senior and gets told that he has to split time...with a freshman.

FCC did this in 2001 and we were 0-10. He and the coaching staff started a bunch of freshman over upperclassmen. The last game of the year against FC, we started 11 freshmen. The difference is, MSJ was a program who was sonsistently 2-8/3-7 and had never really had success. This team is 30-2 since 2004 in the regular season.

Again, this was something that was told to me. I don't know the whole story or if Mike had done something to impeed his PT, or even if this is true. I do know that very few stories are just made up for no reason so on that behalf, I believe there is some truth to this.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 12:10:18 PM
That would be really messed up to make him split time w/ a freshman considering his resume.  So if it is true it doesn't say much about the coaching staff.

It was also nice to see Vetter throw for over three hundered yards & complete more than 50% of his passes.  It does help when Dillon had 258 of them yards & 17 of the completions, but I'll take it.  Looks like DC is running the same offese they did when I was thier w/ Mike Groll.  Groll would have 10+ receptions every game & the next receiver would have 2-3 receptions.  I guess if it gets DC a victory I'll take it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 09, 2007, 07:57:56 PM
Have seen a fair amount of post game perspective from the Wabash side...would be interested in what Franklin fans thought of the Grizzlies performance on both sides of the ball and how you see the team faring the rest of the year...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 09, 2007, 10:33:37 PM
my side is that franklin will use this as motivation to finish strong and make a strong posting in the playoffs, hopefully. it was a good game for both teams, and will show both teams what they need to improve on.

splitting time is not nearly that bad, especially in a new offense. however, how different can the offense be? you either run inside or outside zone (which every team does nowadays) or you run some traps or tackle wraps, so what gives? i am sure his experience as a running back has well prepared for the "spread run game" and the nuances of it. has this causes some division on the msj team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 08:15:29 AM
Not on the team, just amongst 10-15 former players who played with Mike and watched the game Saturday evening.

It's just my opinion that you're loyal to the guys who have been with you. I may give my opinion and at times may appear to be blasting or downgrading the MSJ team, but I'll always support them and somewhere inside feel hurt or letdown by poor performances. It's nothing new. I was my biggest critic in the film room and even something as small as stepping with the wrong foot made me feel like I was letting my team down. It's the little bit of OCD I have I guess. Regardless, I'm here now when a few have left due to the Hilvert situation and I'll be watching games 10-15 years down the road with my kids.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on September 10, 2007, 08:40:25 AM
Now that MSJ has been built up to the "powerhouse" that it is (quotations b/c they are only a powerhouse in the HCAC) Huber is now playing the best athlete at each position.  He doesn't care who your daddy is, where you went to high school or what you did for him last year.  Football is a game of what have you done for me lately. Lovell has been dinged up and had some injuries the past couple of seasons.  Maybe this freshman is as good as Lovell (with less wear) but those 2004 spectators have that loyalty to Lovell which might cause the division.  Sayer I am sure you watched quite a bit of film but I am positive that there were other teammates who watched a bit more than you.  I know i will get negative karma for dissing Sayer on here and spouting my opinions since they do not agree with the rest of the board oh well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2007, 08:58:50 AM
rev,

we encourage other opinoins...  freedom of speech.


sayer,

I don't know what to say to that RB deal....  Lets just say this....Soriano does have a sizeable ego. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2007, 12:51:22 PM
an update on Sayer's boy...from the McMurry website:


Rashon Lewis had a roller coaster of a game in his first home game as quarterback for McMurry. The junior rushed for 180 yards on 17 carries and scored on 13 and 64 yard touchdown runs. He tossed two touchdowns and passed for 180 yards. However, Lewis threw four interceptions and was just 19 of 41 in passing. Even still, he produced 360 yards of total offense and his 64-yard touchdown run came on a 3rd down and 24 situation
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 10, 2007, 01:40:39 PM
sayer,

what type Defense did they play?  How did it look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 02:46:20 PM
The D looked like a 4-4.

I'm not going to argue over film. I'll just say I had films that I personally watched on my own time away from the facility on top of the 1-2 hours everyday before practice.

I know people love me but my opinion is only as good as everyone elses. You know I'll man up and admit when I'm in the wrong.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 10, 2007, 03:15:29 PM
Not sure i would hold much to the splitting time scenario, i would not take an opinion without being behind closed doors.  i would imagin Lovell is still the man but RB's tend to spilt time.  Even a workhorse like Rudi Johnson splits time (or would if those speedy guys were not pussies and injuring their Vaginas every year).

i dont know the players or their skills but if the kid can help make them better then cool.  i dont care if you are Ray Lewis, if there is someone who comes in and can make plays let them on the field even if it means spliltting time.  sometimes this can be a motivation tool.  even for a Sr. who has history.  

i have to guess it has somehting to do with one of the above becuase i highly doubt a program like MSJ would play games like your high school is better or my dad can beat up your dad, or my favorite your moms tits are bigger than his moms tits.

just my fellow opinion i have been wrong in the past too.  i just try not to admit it...why i am in sales.  time to crack a cold one for MNF WHO-DEY
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 10, 2007, 03:43:32 PM
70dcalum- you just love talking about other mother's tits :D. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 05:35:14 PM
Who wouldn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 10, 2007, 07:48:30 PM
Mmmmm, Donuts! (Homer Simpson)
Mmmmm, Tits! (JacketsFan)

I'm still scratching my head over the DC victory Saturday night. Fluke or not? Anyone?

By the way, where's AngryWhiteMan been?

Our local high school football team has had three consecutive wins thus far. A scrimmage game and two regular games. First time in two or three years they've won any games. RB's the real deal. He piled up an insane amount of yards Friday night. Can't wait to see his stats.  They won 27-24 Friday night with a 94 yard kickoff return with 18 seconds remaining. Love it!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 08:45:18 PM
AWM is still upset that MSJ let Hilvert go...at least thats what I'm told. He didn't show up to the game Saturday night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 10, 2007, 09:00:41 PM
i need to have a football party...i am jaming with a millert Lite in my newly finished basement with theater seating and a 120" HD TV (projector with Screen) and 7 channel surround that real ponds some of these hits.  for those that wonder what 120" is that is 10 foot wide by 6 foot tall and this projector does HD crystal clear.

Has Been heading your direction in the AM but will only be out there for 2 days so i dont have any free time.  my trip the week of the 24th got cancelled.  i will be out in Vegas the 6-11th at the Mandalay if you want to road trip over on Sat night the 6th let me know, i have to get another that night since Mandalay is booked but either or it would be free to you if your new wife shows the knockers.

i am out like Ray Lewis' tri in the first series (tough SOB is still laying the wood with 1 arm)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2007, 11:05:18 AM
No kidding...Ray Lewis is a DOG.  He was still making plays, and taking the time on the bench in between series' to compose himself. 

I still would never want to meet him in a small alley because he'll stab you and then pay his boy to take the fall, but as a player he has no peer.

Who Dey?!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2007, 02:32:26 PM
I can bet he was also 'juiced up' on cortizone and any other pain killer they had handy. He still may not be able to feel his arm today. That's the kind of stuff I love. Play hurt. Don't let little boo boo's like a scratched retina slow you down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 11, 2007, 05:43:04 PM
he is scary, but not LT scary. i still would not want to meet him at the 4 hole, or in a dark alley.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 11, 2007, 06:58:49 PM
A big shout out to DC receiver Luke Dillon and kicker Alex Bonilla, both of whom racked up conference and college records in Saturday's 16-14 win over Otterbein (and leaving those of us who didn't think DC could do it eating humble pie). HCAC Offensive Player of the Week Big Man Luke snagged 17 catches for 258 yards, breaking DC's previous record and the HCAC record for the most receiving yards in a single game (253 yards). Dillon's 17 catches also tied DC and the HCAC's previous record.

Alex "Hammer Foot" Bonilla booted his first three field goals in a Yellow Jackets uniform on his way to becoming HCAC Special Teams Player of the Week for nailing the uprights at 26 and 30 yards, then a 36 yard kick to seal the deal and win the game. Bonilla's three boots also tied DC's single game record for the most successful field goals in a game.

Dudes, way to go!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 12, 2007, 10:40:17 AM
Good to see the accomplishments of some of the DC players.  My favorite one is  the kicker going 3 for 3 on field goals in a game.  Back in day when I was playing at DC we were lucky if the kicker could go 3 for 3 on extra points.
Hopefully Vetter will spread the ball around more this week so that he is prepared for HCAC action that will follow.  It is great that Dillon broke all of those records, but I do not want it to become an every week occurance.  I'm sure other teams will start double up on Dillon, so hopefully Vetter won't be trying to force the ball to him.
Looks like the Franklin game was an excellent one to be at.  Rupp & Hartsfield look pretty dangerous so far.  Also, MSJ still looking like a pretty solid team.  Looks like they do have an upgrade at QB w/ Palmer under the center.  Also, congrats to Manchester picking up a W this week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 12, 2007, 08:50:33 PM
Hate to bust the DC feel good story but it seems like Bill Bellicheck hired their former GA. It will be interesting to see what kind of consequence Goodell hands down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 12, 2007, 09:25:54 PM
Ouch!

That was rotten, Sayer. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2007, 08:09:25 AM
Know what else is rotten...having cellulitis in your foot. (pause for laughter because cellulitis sounds like cellulite.) I do not lie when I say this hurts like a SOB. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate this an 8.5. My foot is swollen, has turned from red to purple, and the only time I get any type of pain releif is the 30min-3 hrs after I take my antibiotics. It's hard to walk. My life is miserable at the present moment.

If anyone runs into a situation where a part of your body swells up, and is red and warm and you have no idea what happend...go see a doc immediately.

The good news is my insurance took effect yesterday when I signed my contract (by the way, I am finally employed and am a full time Math teacher making peanuts...but I'm not complaining) but I had to pay out of pocket for everything yesterday because nothing had been entered onto Anthem's website. The 2 antibiotics were 14.99 and 19.99 which isn't bad but the cream for my athletes foot was almost 50. The visit was 100 so all in all it wasn't too expensive for not having insurance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 13, 2007, 09:07:38 AM
sayer, Where are you teaching?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 13, 2007, 09:38:59 AM
congrats on the job. being employed is a good thing.

thursday night game: wvu vs. maryland.

i'm picking wvu by about 40.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 13, 2007, 09:50:54 AM
Great news on the teaching front, Adam!  Perhaps making peanuts, but affording beer to wash them down with is a nice bonus.

QuoteIf anyone runs into a situation where a part of your body swells up, and is red and warm and you have no idea what happend...

...and there's no suspicion of someone slipping you an ED "mickey"...  ;D ;D ;)

Seriously, cellulitis is a miserable malady, and wish you quick healing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2007, 09:56:08 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2007, 08:09:25 AM
I had to pay out of pocket for everything yesterday because nothing had been entered onto Anthem's website.

That's why those Anthem execs make the big bucks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 13, 2007, 10:03:32 AM
ouch, that sucks.  Hopefully you get better soon.

Congrats on the job. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2007, 06:22:36 PM
Well thank you everybody. I'm teaching 6th, 7th, and 8th grade Math at St. John the Baptist in Colerain and this is the 3rd job I've had since August 28. I started out as Deer Park's building sub making $75/day. A day before their school started, Lockland hired me as an aide at the MRDD making $100.76/day, and now I got this which pays me $22,661/year. They docked 10% from me for the part of the school year I missed. It still comes out to be an extra $4,000 on the year and if I teach their next year, I'll get a $5,000+ raise.

The cellulitis still looks bad but the infected area isn't hard anymore. It's kind of jelly and mushy and it looks like a boil is trying to form. Now if the swelling would go down. My foot and ankle look like one of those 100 pound 2 year olds.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 13, 2007, 06:36:12 PM
Sayer, don't fart around with the cellulitis. It may sound fairly benign but it's serious when you get it in an extremity. I got it in my foot back in my Navy days and came within a few days of having it amputated when it finally started to get better. You'll get better pain relief if you keep it elevated when possible. Soak it in hot water every time you get the chance, too. Congrats on the job. Remember, being a math teacher and making peanuts is better than no job and making shack jit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 14, 2007, 07:46:55 AM
Fitting,

John the Baptist always told it like it was....and it resulted in his own beheading when he condemned King Herod's new marriage...

There's all that Catholic school upbringing I went through and now on THIS message board, its finally paid off! 

Question for everyone....whats MSJ's record the past 4 years?  The answer to that isn't what I'm looking for.  The real question is, how does an MSJ SID NOT promote this team to the fullest?  (I told a guy named "Billy White Shoes" that I'd bring attention to it).

So Thomas More hosts Grove City at Beechwood HS...."home" opener for the Saints while Ray Bosse Field at Bank of Kentucky Stadium (sound good?) is renovated....I think the Saints will be fired up to play their first home game under Hilvert and pull away in the 2nd half with their young team. 

MSJ at IWU....is IWU still a physically big team?  Do they have more skilled guys than last year?  We'll see....I think Lions by 9 (missed PAT)

Hanover at W&J.....freshman QB for Panthers....some are saying BEST EVER QB at W&J (Bobby Swallow)...and thats saying something....equals a 30 point win for the Presidents.

Other games:

Earlham at Anderson
Defiance at Tri-State
Adrian at Bluffton

OFF:  Manchester United, Franklin


Thoughts?



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 14, 2007, 08:52:38 AM
WEBN had Ryan Parker on today and he sang this song about the Patriot Scandel. It was pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

As far as the games go, it depends on which MSJ team shows up. If the 1st half team from last week shows, IW will win. If the second half MSJ team shows up then MSJ will beat them by 20+ With that said I think you'll get a good mix and MSJ wins 35-21.

Interesting analysis: So far, the MSJ defense has given up 39 points in 2 games. Last year MSJ's defense didn't give up their 39th point until game 6 against Franklin. 2004 and 2005, it was game 4 against Hanover.

There's nothing wrong with telling it like it is. Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes you feel good, and sometimes when you sing about showing your boobs, it makes you feel really good. Thanks cave2Beans for the video attachment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2007, 09:07:16 AM
sayer if it makes you feel better i charge Wellpoint 3.8M a year to support my stuff and we just sold them about 9M in HW.  i am taking them for a little worse than what they got you for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on September 14, 2007, 10:54:10 AM
SaintsFan

I hope you're right about the HC/W&J game.  It could be ugly.  HC's best 2 DBs were injured against Butler and at least one will definitely not be able to play.  Heard rumor they had to move some WRs over to their secondary.  Their frosh QB looks pretty good for the most part when he has time to throw.  Let's just hope he isn't gun shy after last weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 02:26:21 PM
DC is up 13-3 at the half against Tri-State & Hanover is down 43-0 in the second...ouch!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 02:57:56 PM
Are there any DC fans out there that have been able to get the DC link up from 105.7?  I've updated my software to the fullest & nada!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2007, 06:21:27 PM
Grove City 23
TMC 16

2:10  4th

I can't get the audio link to work...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2007, 06:33:38 PM
also is Defiance teasing us?  I picked them after their win last week and then they go out and do this today.  Damn.

Also bad day for my Irish....still ZERO offensive TD's through almost 12 quarters.  Sitting here with Michigan fans who are acting like they won a National Title today. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 08:26:28 PM
I honestly don't know what to say ???  DC was up 13-3 & then lose 17-13!  This may be my saddest day as a DC football alum & we've had some sad moments.  Either Tri-State is muched improved or DC is really that bad.  This is just bad!bad!bad!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 08:29:07 PM
Just read the box score & saw there was only 2:30 left in the game while DC had a 13-3 lead.  Again, it is just bad!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 15, 2007, 08:36:16 PM
I don't know what to say, either, 70_dc_alum. Richard and I listened to the game and it really seemed like DC had the upper hand for awhile. But those 45 yards in penalties during ONE of Tri-State's offensive drives killed us. Then we had a second chance at life with a couple of minutes to go and what would've been the game winning TD was recalled because an O-lineman, who wasn't even in the play because it was on the other side, held someone and the TD got called back. Vetter threw two pics and DC got down to Tri-State's door a couple of times but couldn't seem to get it. Tri-State is young, physical and aggressive but they aren't Franklin or Mount St. Joe. It sux. They've got the talent on the team. The defensive play calling in the second half, particularly the last quarter, didn't seem very aggressive, either.

It's the same thing we all said last year all year long. If DC doesn't start putting up more points, they're gonna get whipped.

PS: It's scary listening to a ballgame with Richard when his team is effing up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2007, 09:09:44 PM
Keep Wheaton's QB in your prayers tonight.  Sounds like there was a problem that developed during their game today.

Reminds you of whats important.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 16, 2007, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 08:26:28 PM
I honestly don't know what to say ???  DC was up 13-3 & then lose 17-13!  This may be my saddest day as a DC football alum & we've had some sad moments.  Either Tri-State is muched improved or DC is really that bad.  This is just bad!bad!bad!

Tri-State has improved quite a bit, for what it's worth.  Still a game I thought DC would (and should) win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2007, 11:05:46 AM
SaintsFan, who gets their first win first: Romeo Crennel or Charlie Weis?

MSJ seemed to play a decent game. They won the TO battle and had a solid day Pounding The Rock. The only concern was their 3rd downs. I believe they only converted 33%. Running the spread can be disasterous to your defense if you can't do better on third down.

I saw the MSJ program that they send to high schools yesterday and it looked like every other MSJ program I have ever seen. After having the recent success they have had, I would think they would spice it up a little bit. Everything is in black and white. Add color and more details. One of the guys at Purcell couldn't believe that A) the program was so small and B) nothing was in color and it wasn't nicer. It's just my opinion that if a HS kid looks at a nice, well-organized, colorful recruitment guide, he will be more out to consider that school. Especially because every other D 3 football team's guide that I have seen looks the same as MSJ's. It may not mean an extra 10-20 recruits, but if you can steal a couple solid football players from TMC or UC (walk-ons), it's worth the extra cost.

Kentucky or Utah comments by anyone????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 16, 2007, 01:25:28 PM
I agree that Tri-State is a much improved team over the past couple of years, but as mentioned, DC should have won that game.  They are continue to give games away that they should win.  As an alum I'm bias on what my team should do, but this is just becoming annoying not being able to play to their potential. 
I'm just letting out steam at this point & I'll be on board supporting them while conference action begins hopping they can run through the conference games. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2007, 04:25:54 PM
Romeo obviously .....I can't believe the Bengals today...and ND yesterday.  Its been a bad weekend for me. 

To recap:  TMC lost, ND was horrible again and Bengals are in trouble in CLEVELAND of all places.

And last night there was a bit of an altercation at the bar.  I can't go into specifics publicly because of possible on going legal ramifications but at the end of it I got hit over the head with a beer bottle...3 staples in my dome.   No I didn't start it...some guy was about to hit my friend and I don't like seeing that.  I'm not usually one of those tough guys at the bar but things happen...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2007, 05:32:10 PM
I am one of those redneck guys. Got my number right?

I am embarrased to be a bengals fan.

www.firechuckbresnahan.com

And word from Angelo Colosimo (Bengals team Doctor) is that Marvin can't wait to get out of Cincinnati. Can you blame him after this game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 16, 2007, 06:45:56 PM
SaintsFAN, sorry to hear about your busted noggin. What happened with Wheaton's QB? I didn't see anything on their website. Was he injured.

Any of you DC guys know why Foos was pulled out of the game for missing a PAT? To date he's been right on the money. He came out of the game and the guy they replaced him with can't kick or punt worth a hoot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2007, 07:46:46 PM
JacketsFan,

I'm not sure whats going on with the QB from Wheaton...I just know from what one poster has said is a serious situation in as far as he hasn't been able to leave St. Louis and his parents have been arranged to stay somewhere there while he is treated. 

adam,

have your number?  I don't follow you...

embarrassment is not even the word for today's debacle in the Mistake by the Lake.  I can't believe the defense didn't show up and Marvin refused to talk about the defense today after the game. 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2007, 10:18:24 PM
I meant I got your back, just give me a call.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
haha....gotcha.  Well lets just say this...  a friend of mine found a way to take a picture of the guy last night.

::)

By the way, I lost my phone recently and don't have your number in the new one.  PM with it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 19, 2007, 08:38:50 AM





Hooters            Hooters            Hooters
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 19, 2007, 01:18:02 PM
see you there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 19, 2007, 11:34:22 PM
I heard a comment today at the bar about ND and their situation. I don't have time tonight to write about it, but it is very interesting and the facts that this individual stated were really interesting and made Charlie Weis look like a flash in the pan. It wasn't stuff he was making up (as a football player and student of the sport you can usually tell when someone's blowing smoke up your arse). It presented the whole thing in a new light.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 20, 2007, 08:00:15 AM
if thats true, he's an expensive flash in the pan. 

read the article on msn.foxsports.com

at this point, I'm pretty pissed that they can't score a TD.  To me...he's Marvin Lewis....where as Marvin's big things that led him to getting the Bengals job was an emphasis on discipline and defense....where's that?  Charlie Weis' was offense?  Where's that?

I could be jumping the gun because they are young...but we'll see. 

He is a good recruiter though...but you have to use that talent.  For instance the offensive line....they look like turds right now....but ALL are either 4 star or 5 star recruits when they came out of HS. 

I know half of what that guy had to say was about the Patriots videotaping..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 20, 2007, 09:54:58 AM
One is not a good recruiter unless and until his recruits play well in games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 20, 2007, 07:04:09 PM
What he mentiond was about in college you are a lot more responsible for overseeing the development of the whole team rather than an OC in the NFL and could he actually do that. In college you have 18 year old kids comming in, most of whom are athletic as hell but maybe don't understand football. You need to develop them into players. In the NFL, you get players who are already studs and not as much development is needed. Can Charlie acually oversee the development of kids into college athletes? Remember, Charlie never played college football and I believe, this job has been his only college job. The rest of his time has been spent in the NFL. He doesn't have the experience of the college game, just experience worthing with guys who are already great football players.

You all blame Ty for this year, but I think this is just as much Charlie's fault. He didn't get any of these kids PT the last 2 years. Not all of them are freshman. He has juniors, Seniors, and Sophomores who have been in his system now for 3 years and to be in a situation like this isn't acceptable. Those kids need to get some PT either in the kicking game or in blowouts.

The seat isn't hot right now, but let me give you a scenario. If they go into the Navy game 1-7 or 0-8 and lose, then will the seat be hot? Remember, names like Faust, Willingham, and Davie have never lost to the midshipmen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 20, 2007, 07:05:18 PM
i like frank the tank's take on weiss. your players have to play for you once they are there! however, this is the conundrum (sp?), this is the year when ty didn't bring a soul to south bend that could hack it. granted, his players did good for charlie, but now ty has been exposed as he took some time off the recruiting trail. i think charlie's first 2 years would go as they did, it's easy to get guys to buy in right away and get results. they were decently talented and played above expectations. now, they are not decently talented and are playing well below what they are even able to achieve. their OL is a bunch of fat babies who have no pride, in mo after watching them.

did anybody notice that large charlie held a brutal sunday practice after their tail whipping last week? he is sending a message that "this is Notre Dame football and we do not lose!! that gold helmet means more to college football here in south bend than anybody else, and we are going to play accordingly."

i was coached by a fellow who played at ND back in the olden times, B.L. (before lou) i hated him with a passion, but i understood him after he told some old ND stories. after losses, they had long brutal practices in the stadium with the lights on, and no fans or media were allowed near it. all they heard was "blue and gold this, blue and gold that, ND tradition, if you don't want to be apart of it then go home", and stuff like that in clean language. then they would run stadium steps until people couldn't carry their teammates up the steps.

when they won, they ran victory laps, yes victory laps for beating the team. the mentality being that if you run like this after a win, you know you are working harder than the team you are playing this week and you'll wear them out. pride, tradition, blue and gold, gold helmet, you are automatically tougher than the team you are playing because you play at ND and that's the bottom line. he said he was told by a coach there after he broke his nose on a kickoff that he isn't going anywhere. "that s.o.b. broke a ND nose and you better break his ribs for disrespecting you like that!" extreme i know, but when you believe it and you go out there trying to crush a guys rib cage in half, then it works. my last anecdote was of the middle backer they had, he weighed 190 lbs. the coaches there convinced this guy that he simply was the toughest LB in the nation because of where he was playing and all that. well, it came down to a play against some team i don't know, and this guy blew up the FB on the way through the line before he ran over the QB before coming to, and killing/putting the TB out of the game. the coach on the sidelines was jumping up and down and asked him how he did that? his response was "you told me to get to the TB on the sweep no matter what was in my way..."

that's what ND is missing, not talent or play calls, but testicles.

NOTRE DAME lacks that old blood and guts mentality they are famous for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 20, 2007, 07:06:11 PM
charlie coached high school for a few years, that is developing players.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 20, 2007, 07:14:12 PM
I would say at least Duke is on the schedule but even they have a win (though the first in multiple years).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on September 21, 2007, 07:55:18 AM
Where does the Mt play @ this week?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 21, 2007, 09:45:37 AM
its a bye week
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 22, 2007, 08:41:42 AM
so where is DC coaches filming at this weekend?  i heard the coaches did a couple clinics in new england in the offseason on game film management.

here is to the Bucks not letting up to Northwestern as they have a tendency to do. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 03:52:34 PM
Thomas More 8
Thiel College 6

F


Thomas More blocked a punt for a safety for the winning margin.  Thiel drove late, scored and dropped the 2 pt conversion pass.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 03:53:48 PM
good start for ND....fumble recovery....dare I say Touchdown here?  we'll see...  Clausen incomplete on 1st down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 03:54:40 PM
TOUCHDOWN NOTRE DAME!!!!

(offensive)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 22, 2007, 04:09:34 PM
Last I heard FC was up 38-0 at end of third quarter!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 22, 2007, 10:30:32 PM
seems to me that the FC team took the week off to prepare to get back on track to hit the playoffs running. good work grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 11:03:43 PM
agreed....though if Tri-State had beaten Franklin.... :o


OK, so I'm taking Liddell tonight...who wants the "Dean of Mean"??


out like ND
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2007, 02:33:58 PM
INTERESTING PLEASE READ

I'm in Columbus for the Ol Lady's birthday and a bunch of my friends are up here for the game and we all went out last night. One of the guys who went out with us goes to school at Capital and played a sport (not going to give the sport or his name). We had an interesting conversation about Steroids. We talked about me playing at MSJ and he asked me if anyone on MSJ's team had used Steroids while I was there. I had explained that there was one guy who we all thought did but no one knew for sure. We had no proof at all (none that I knew of it was just an assumption) and he was the only person who had steroids mentioned in the same sentence as his name. I figured everyone was clean when I was there. Small school, word travels fast and Steroids wasn't a topic.

He told me he has multiple friends on the football team at Capital (remember he played a sport at Capital) and said he KNEW of at least 4 football players who were using steroids when he was playing at Capital and figured it was more. He was under the assumption this was a normal thing at a DIII school where it's low profile and figured we had guys doing it as well. He had said that he was told by these players and/or other players in Capital's system that there are a significant number of players in the OAC who take steroids.

Again, he brought this up to me and thought is was the norm in DIII football. What do y'all think about THIS???????? I believe he is still a student at Capital (if not he just graduated) and all this involves the football team the last 4 years or so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2007, 02:39:31 PM
Playoff teams get drug tested by the NCAA. The penalty for testing positive for a banned substance is the loss of a full year of eligibility.

Capital played enough postseason games in the past two years to pretty much ensure everyone had to give a sample.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 23, 2007, 02:56:06 PM
I'm sure that more than one person at MSJ was using roids & any other DIII school even if they made the playoffs or not.  You would have to be clueless to think that there are programs out there that are completely clean.  There are many ways to past a drug test for roids & other drugs.  This is a problem at all levels of professional, college, & high school. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 23, 2007, 03:29:51 PM
i wish i could quote the head coach from the program
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2007, 03:33:24 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 23, 2007, 02:56:06 PM
I'm sure that more than one person at MSJ was using roids & any other DIII school even if they made the playoffs or not.  You would have to be clueless to think that there are programs out there that are completely clean.  There are many ways to past a drug test for roids & other drugs.  This is a problem at all levels of professional, college, & high school. 

No doubt. I'm not sure, though, that division III players have easy access to ways to cheat drug tests.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2007, 07:35:57 PM
Not a single person was drug tested when we qualified in 2004 and isn't it random testing anyway? It's very possible and this is a trustable source from Capital, in a prominent Capital athletic program.

Again, in 4 years at MSJ, there was only 1 person who was believed to be taking steroids and honestly, at MSJ, I believe no one used. Even the guy who was rumored never gave us proof. It was just something we assumed. We were always the smallest O-line in the HCAC (I was typically the biggest linemen at 280/285) and at the TMC/Wilmington/MSJ lifting competition, we never had anyone lifting freakish amounts of weight. We had big, chiseled guys, but no one who looked like roid takers.

My dad was a former body builder. I've met friends of his young and old on roids and have seen pictures of guys when they were on them competing. No one at MSJ looked like these people and we never had any circumstances (to quote the Program) where a guy gain 35 pounds of muscle and an attitude to go with it. Does it happen at DIII schools, I imagine so and probably fairly often, but it didn't happen at MSJ from 2001-2004. Not to my knowledge.

To be quite honest to kind of give a response to DC Has Been's statement. My dad asked me the summer before my senior year if I wanted to start taking. Not going to lie, I was intrigued and we went over everthing from alternating hips to oil and water base to creams. I didn't do it because of fear that we had a great team and had a shot at the playoffs. I didn't want to be THAT guy. Had I known that no one would have been tested that year, even when we went to the playoffs, I would have taken them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2007, 07:36:47 PM
And the Bengals are officially a Joke. Worst team in the NFL. I'm ready for Marvin to take action on his words and get the heck out of town.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2007, 09:42:50 AM
though I don't know about worst in the NFL, they definitely pissed down their legs yesterday...

I thought this year would be rough...but this rough?  Bengals SHOULD be 3-0 at this point..

oh yeah...back in my day (before steriods were invented).... they served steriods out of the vending machines in the lunchroom.  It was nice...

JK, I only saw one guy who had the signs of it, he graduated early and wasn't ever a factor....kept getting shuffled from d to offensive line.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 24, 2007, 01:27:30 PM
there were always a couple you kind of knew like Sayer said, but they never seemed to work too much and was always some scrub looking for an easy way.  problem is they were a scrub because they did not work hard...droping $300 bucks on a heart attack in a bottle it still did not change the fact you had to go balls to the wall in workouts to make the investment worthwhile. 

i only know of 1 more defenite and he got it a week before camp so we were not even in the gym when he tried it...didnt help we lost the first 6 games and he was still a puss :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 24, 2007, 01:29:01 PM
Bengals take the cake as the most frustrating team in the world...at least Ohio State can put a team away
Title: Blast From the Past
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2007, 03:51:03 PM
OK, so there's some girl that I hung out with (but not really dated) while I was a sophomore and junior at Thomas More (yes THAT long ago).  We parted on bad terms as I got tired of BS and some of other stuff....total hotness though. 

Well today she has her sister email me somehow, someway and saying that she would really want to reknew acquaintances...and didn't email me herself because she wants to have me softened up (she knows me well)..

  I'm putting it up to the group...I can take it or leave it...(as Adam knows)

What do you think?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 24, 2007, 04:01:24 PM
I say leave it, she might have some kind of revenge planed.  Adam knows you can take it or leave it?  That's too much info!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2007, 04:18:14 PM
hahaha.....

+Karma, tepee...

Meaning he knows what I work around here...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 24, 2007, 04:38:25 PM
You guys are too much.

At the office, there are lots of nice looking scenic sights, so I wouldn't worry too much about this chick. However, if you lay the ground rules and tell her like it is, I don't see a problem with it. Hell, we all grow up. Some later than sooner :) Maybe she's been on the celebacy wagon and needs some help off. I wouldn't think revenge would be a factor since SaintsFan was a Soph 10 years ago now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 04:58:04 PM
Some salient questions:

1) Are you single?
2) Got recent pics? I've been to too many reunions to rely on 1990's hotness. :)

A decade can change a lot of things. But that goes both ways -- could be an improvement on the attitude.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 25, 2007, 07:43:17 AM
Pat,

I was actually going to include in my message for you to help out as well.  Those are good questions.

1.  I am very single, though my ex keeps coming back (broke up in January because I attended the Welcome Party for Coach Hilvert at Thomas More instead of going to a family gathering with her).  I also hang with occasionally another friend...though she's quite young.  Even younger than Sayer.
2. I requested some recent pics....good call there. 

Hopefully the decade has changed alot on her end....there's a little more to it than changing attitude....I found out she was engaged 10 years ago and thats why I rid myself of her.


As Adam said, at my office there is alot of nice scenery...I don't think I'm going to sweat this too much, given her history.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 25, 2007, 04:32:18 PM
bang as many young girls as you can, then bang some more. one day you'll be the old weird guy, so do it up while you can.

go freebird!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 11:32:48 AM
Where the hell is everyone?  We have two very good teams in this conference and NOBODY is saying much? 

Are guys really pissed about losing Hilvert?


Homecoming at Thomas More this weekend...well at Dixie Heights.  Adam, are you in? 

Lets get some ex-Lions to come see what Hilvert has done with the Saints program..

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2007, 12:28:42 PM
Sure, why not. I'll see if Josh wants to come if he's not working. I'll finally have some money so are we meeting at The Pub? or where? Who does TMC have?

I just started a new job where I actually have to work and plan lessons and teach so I have been and will be busy for a couple weeks until I get settled.


Have another question or statement that I would like your oppinions on. I was talking to a kid who plays HS football. They have a great team with 7+ kids who could play DII/DIII ball and 1 or 2 who could play I-AA. I aksed him how many were considering playing in college and he said NONE. He said that they hate football because of the HS coach and the way he treats them and some of the things he says. Not one player on this team wants to play college...and they are good enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 01:50:11 PM
The Pub, I think, would work....let me run that by my buddy.  My ex also might be coming...haha

They have Waynesburg (3-0) on Saturday....  Waynesburg is tough this year, it seems...


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 26, 2007, 04:28:49 PM
SaintsFan i am assuming since you are even considering and asking the question then she was good in the sack...so why again are you asking the question.  as long as she knows you aint trying to make love and are just in it for the dirty dirty then i thingk Victory Bell said it best GO Freebird
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 26, 2007, 05:09:29 PM
This board certainly has some great conversation!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2007, 09:32:06 PM
I can't get too nuts. Purcell takes on Badin Saturday night. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 11:24:44 PM
are you kidding me??  As a Badin grad, I KNOW they are going to kick Purcell's arse up and down the field...

Seriously, Badin's QB and WR (#1-Jackson) are very good.  The Purcell games were always hard hitting when I was in school. 

UPDATE: 

Pat, I did get to see a couple of recent pictures.  Very nice, lets just say that any additions/changes only enhance what I remember. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2007, 12:02:53 AM
That's in a bad way, right? I forget.

Bummer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2007, 07:21:13 AM
I scouted them against Alter (again, this was Alter) but the score was 42-0 at halftime. They replaced the QB in the first half because he couldn't complete anything past 10 yards. I think the kid they replaced him with was a freshman. Badin has good size and has some kids who can run, but they looked 'real' bad against Alter and it wasn't all because Alter's so good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2007, 08:55:37 AM
Pat,

Thats speaking physically....its a good thing.  The additions if you know what I mean.  BUT, I haven't found out where she is mentally.  I haven't taken the call yet.  Don't know if I will, really. 

Sayer,

Thats pretty bad...when was that game played?  I know the QB was in the top 5 in passing about two weeks ago.  Alter has DOMINATED the GCL North for the past 5 years or so....nothing suprises me anymore about them.  I remember back in 1991 in our first EVER GCL league game....was AT Centerville playing Alter.  Being a freshman, I thought I was big time after taking that in..  Luckily the only GCL North team I lost to was Roger Bacon (one time) and Chaminade (one time) BOTH my sophomore years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2007, 06:40:52 PM
This just in, Notre Dame QB, Demetrius Jones is transferring to UC. Made the decision after he wasn't started for the Penn State game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
This was last weekend. I was impressed by Alter in the sense that they play hard and play smart. They don't necessarily have athletes, they have football players. Hope that makes some kind of sense. Badin didn't play smart. They looked like youth kids trying to tackle, the QB missed open targets and the specialities were a joke.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2007, 01:52:20 PM
Sayer,

We on for tomorrow?

Yes I know what you mean...Alter doesn't have anyone that stands out.  Back in the day I played against a RB (Mike Rose) who played LB at Purdue, Jerry Rudzinski at QB/LB who played LB at Ohio State, and Jay Tant TE who played at Northwestern.  I don't think they'll have talent like that again at Alter.

That Badin Coach has come under fire for the way he's doing things...if he continues to have teams not prepared to tackle and play special teams....his reign will be over soon.  Not to mention animosity towards him because he interviewed for the Mason job this past off season.  Many thought the Rams should have kept the search for a coach within the "Badin Family" when Coach Malone retired. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 28, 2007, 05:09:53 PM
What time would you like to meet at The Pub? If you'd like to go somewhere else, that would be fine, just let me know and I'll be there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2007, 05:13:30 PM
I'll call you...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 29, 2007, 12:48:14 AM
Since Purcell plays tomorrow, I went to the DP game. They lost to Wyoming 35-21. DP Went up 14-0 and then turned the ball over 5 straight times leading to 35 unanswered points. They had chances to rally but questionable play calling and clock management cost them big time from the 8:30 mark on. DP's head coach Barry Pettyjohn has been places in his career where I have not and will not ever go (i.e. NFL and NFL Europe) but you would never know it by his play selection and the way he calls his offense and makes adjustments. Example, Wyoming had a 6'6 WR and DP has a 6'4 kid who has experience playing DB. It  took Barry until the WR caught 4 big passes (2 TD's) before he lined up the kid who is 6'4 on him. He kept his 5'10 corners on him. Deer Park will be in for a rude awakening when Indian Hill starts throwing the ball all over the place. Pains me to say as much as I hate IH.

Hopefully my and JPC's Cavaliers will show up and play like they are capable tomorrow evening. They have a senior RT who has never played football before who I've took under my wing. He's getting better and the best part is he listens. You tell him to do something, he does it, even though most of the time he looks really goofy doing it. Nonetheless he listens and has gotten better every week. Hard worker too. I love those kind of kids. Purcell should start returning to form here in the next 2 years. They have solid talent in their Soph and Frosh classes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 29, 2007, 03:03:03 PM
Yo, any of you DC guys catching the DC/Manchester game? If DC keeps letting Manchester get in the red zone, pretty soon Manchester is going to get lucky and punch one in? DC ought to be up at least 21-Zip so far. They're letting manchester hang around and not getting the ball to Dillon enough. And V-man is still tossing the pill to the bad guys.

Beautiful down here in Florida. How's it up there today? God, I miss coming up to games.

Hometown football team now 5-0 as of last night. Last time they were 4-0, Tricky Dick was president. They came back on a drive last night with two minutes to play and won the game 23-21 against the number two ranked team in the conference. Still, I'd rather be at DC watching that game, even if it's not going so well. I think my plans to get up for a game have fallen through. Bunch of the guys off last year's team were down here last week hanging out with Richard. My grocery tab for four days (including all the oysters and other snacks) came to four hundred bucks.

I'd do it again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 29, 2007, 05:37:56 PM
back from the game...homecoming at Thomas More, well Dixie Heights.

1.  Sayer doesn't look too bad in his Purcell "get up"...even JP said so.

2.  Warm beer for the alums?  WTF? 

3.  Thomas More plays hard for Coach Hilvert BUT, they are very, very young and the injury bug has depleted the Saints.  I know they won't make any excuses but its clearly affected the Saints.  Our freshman QB's will learn what to throw and what not to throw eventually.  I like the direction the team is headed in and wait until this staff gets a full year to recruit.  Though they play hard, the Saints need to play with a little more piss and vinegar. 

4.  If you told me that we'd have the injuries we have AND that we'd still be a competitive 2-2, I'd say I would take it.  But sounds like the PAC officials have tried to keep the Saints down.  Thats all I'll say about that one. 

5. Waynesburg has a tough RB, but take away a 67 yard run...and the Saints contained him.  Yeah I know...if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.... 

6.  I still think TMC will be tough down the stretch this year against W&J and MSJ.  We need to keep the Bridge Bowl.


Stories were told about tepee and angrywhiteman....where the hell are you guys?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 29, 2007, 05:48:22 PM
also, I took the advice of this page and let that girl from my past call me.  Sayer was there as she called before the game today.  I'll keep it updated with what I can here, I think. 

I should be seeing her next weekend..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 29, 2007, 09:03:53 PM
chicks make mistakes, they get confused, let her call you and be lighthearted. you may find she will do anything to seal the deal with you.

of course, if she is a whack job whore case, change your number and never talk to her again. it's about the law of the jungle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 29, 2007, 10:12:35 PM
Florida's getting spanked by Auburn. 14-3 with ten minutes left in the third. Auburn has Tebow's number today and they keep dialing it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2007, 02:37:12 AM
I'm willing to say Colorado beating Oklahoma is the biggest upset in college football in 2007. Teams ranked 3, 4, 5, and 7 lost this week. OSU moving on up which scares me. If the do play in a big time bowl againt a big time team. It'll be Florida all over again. Cal looks legit even though the Ducks beat themselves with that late fumble.

SaintsFan looks alright considering he looks more like a guard than a QB. And the TMC alumni treated me great feeding me chicken wings and corndogs...as well as the warm beer. All for a highly respected MSJ grad :)

Purcell took it on the chin tonight 23-12. It was 17-12 at half and Badin tried every way they could to give the game to Purcell but Purcell refused to take it. I mean Badin was begging Purcell to beat them. Sometimes the bear gets you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 30, 2007, 08:51:09 AM
Saints Fan,

I knew hilverts guys would play hard for him it's only a matter of time before his team is a bunch of a**kickers.

Did any of the stories about me involve a certian offesive line coach that coached at both TMC and MSJ?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2007, 01:56:07 PM
whoa, whoa, whoa....


well the comments definitely have had an effect on me.  I ran 2 miles this morning and I'm going to do the same at our workout facility at work.....6am with a guy I work with. 

I don't think I look like a guard....BUT I think people are used to seeing me with a six pack and stuff.  I'll start lifting again after my surgery. 

tepee,

we did tell some stories there.  One that I remember is you asking if a kids first name was damnit.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2007, 01:57:19 PM
oh and Sayer.... I kind of told you when you go to Hamilton to "mess with the bull", you get the horns..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2007, 05:40:42 PM
Hey Sayer and SaintsFAN:

Don't forget about South Florida.  While they won't be a powerhouse (at least for awhile), it is hard to believe they were DIII just 10-11 years ago when the program was started and before progressing then to DII, DI-AA before the current "big-time".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2007, 07:15:48 PM
Did not know that. Amazing stuff. After the last 2 years and the recent downfall of FSU and Miami, recruitng should be going very well for the Bulls.

I aint kiddin about Badin trying to lose. Purcell should have won. In the fourth quarter alone, Badin had 2 TO's, a roughing the passer call that continued a drive and a pass interference that continued a drive (both on 3rd down). Purcell just couldn't capitalize when Badin tried to give it away. We go to Kettering next Friday to take on the reigning state runner ups.

You look away from me again son and you will be doing bear craws up and down this floor.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2007, 09:46:59 PM
i saw the gamestory on Journal-news.com  I can't believe Badin's uniforms now.  Back in the day, we were just plain white helmets, green jerseys and white pants. 

also, Purcell's QB is young and threw 5 ints??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 01, 2007, 08:16:14 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2007, 07:15:48 PM


You look away from me again son and you will be doing bear craws up and down this floor.



until you die!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2007, 12:43:14 PM
The Qb is a junior but this is his first year playing the position. He is capable of making tough throws but doesn't do it consistently to really be effective and I don't know the INT's. I know everytime Badin screwed up, Purcell turned the ball over some way or another to give it back.

I did like the uniforms. The black and green was a nice combo.

I hope the bengal win tonight 45-42. I need "Shady" Brady and Moss to hook up for about 3 TD's. I have them both on my fantasy team and I'm down 15. The guy I'm playing has Maroney so this will be close.

Raincoats on three.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2007, 01:28:22 PM
I'm taking the 'over' tonight....I don't think the Bengals will be able to stop Brady. 

I'm not going to the game...hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me.  I spent yesterday with my ex from work here and had a good time.  After starting at Arthur's in Hyde Park ($5 pitchers on Sunday), we ended up at the Wooster Tavern in Mariemont/Fairfax last night and some debauchery ensued.  I guess I'm watching it with her tonight. 

As far as the uni's....I'm a traditionalist....I guess if Wuerth has been winning alot of games like my coach did (all-time winningest coach in Ohio history) then I'd be fine with the changes.  But the guy has changed ALOT there to no avail. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 01, 2007, 03:49:45 PM
badin got new uniforms?  The old man must be turning in his grave.  When we played badin they had all white helmets with white pants and an old undershirt with their number written in black marker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
tepee,

EXACTLY


Sincerely yours,

Tradition
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2007, 11:12:46 PM
How bad are the Bengals? No O-line, No defense. I thought the Rams had it bad with injuries.

And is it just me, or is Carson really off? He's thrown an alarming number of passes high and not on target. Preseason till now, he hasn't looked real good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2007, 11:34:25 PM
I hear the Bengals are taking a page from Dick Vermeil when he coached the Eagles...open try-outs for anyone who can play linebacker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 02, 2007, 08:45:51 AM
Homecoming @ the Mount this weekend!  Whos in?

And guess who is Getting married?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 02, 2007, 10:35:32 AM
not sure how clean of a game it was but in the end DC did what they were supposed to do and beat up on a worse team.  per the stats it looks like both the running and passing game did well which is good to see the running game pick up.

would have liked to see the yards a little lower given up by the D but they kept them out of the end zone.

Cincy is the most frustrating team ever.  i thought the o-line was soft last night especially in the first half.  both Brady and Palmer are pocket passers but the reason Brady's accuracy is so high is he has somewhere to step up to throw it.  it seemed like the pocket was colapsing on plamer fairly fast last night, not causing him to get hit just akward throws.

i know having 2 practice squad guys and a 2nd string rookie saftey playing LB causes some issues for the D, but was that Sammie Morris last night or a hybrid clone of Walter Payton and Earl Cambell?  the D-line needs to play above thier ability to make up for the missing LB's and the DB's must get Physical.  Madieu has lost his spark and has not been the same since he hurt his Sholder.  Yards after contact was extremly lopsided last night.  it seems we dropped immeditely when a tackle was made and every time we tried to takle one of their guys they would fall forward 3-4 yds.  Bottom line no one is being Physical on either side of the ball.

not sure if it is Palmer or Johnson but it seems like they are way off.  every game there seems to be 3-4 balls that gets dropped by Chad, all difficult catches.  I wonder though if he makes it more difficult.  he likes to Jump when he does not need to and never seems to sit in the hole.  i continue to think if he does not try to make an acrobatic catch he makes the catch. look at the film, why does he jump when the ball is a little behind him and goes through his hands waist high?  if he just does not jump and sits in the hole it hits him in the chest...but it does not make sportcenter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 02, 2007, 12:42:46 PM
I was at the game last night, and wasn't paying much attention to the side lines.  The paper said that Chad & Palmer got into it on the sidelines.  Did anyone see it on TV, and if so was it as bad as they Headlines said it was?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 02, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
back to subben, isn't it great  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 02, 2007, 01:31:54 PM
They had a heated conversation but it wasn't nothing special. The Bengals were in the game until the 4th quarter and I think their thinness on defense started to show. You can't tell me those back-ups have the same stamina as the starters. Our O-line is almost as thin as the linebacking corp. Willi is getting old and I've seen DIII linemen with better technique than Whitworth. When you're using your 5th OT as a starter and a Center who spent last season on the practice squad. The QB is going to be a little antsy in his pantsy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 02, 2007, 05:03:13 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, M & L has officially been casterated. His future wife now holds his cocknballs (and every little detail of his life) in the palm of her hand. Sad to say that sooner or later I will join the ranks as well....but not on this day. :)

When's the engagement party and I will be REALLY upset if I don't get an invite to the wedding...like cough cough Tepee  :'( I still don't think I've recovered emotionally.

Am I the only one here who hasn't been married who posts here?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 02, 2007, 05:19:55 PM
QuoteAm I the only one here who hasn't been married who posts here?

Someone always has to make up the "hands team."  ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 02, 2007, 10:49:59 PM
in regards to the "heated" between Johnson and Plamer it was not like Randy Moss throwing a water bottle on the ref but they were going at it pretty good.  at 1 point the TV cut away pretty fast with Palmer Screaming and punching his fists against his thigh pads.  by the time the TV got back it was just CJ yelling with a bunch of different folks standing around looking like they were ready to break them up.  CJ continued to the end of the half and into the locker room.  Only thing that really stood out was seeing Palmer loose his cool.  it is nothign to see CJ do that but did have to do a 2nd take when you see Palmer going off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 03, 2007, 08:12:51 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 02, 2007, 05:19:55 PM
QuoteAm I the only one here who hasn't been married who posts here?

Someone always has to make up the "hands team."  ::) ;D ;D ;D

haha...nice.

Do you mean happily married or "gave it the college try"??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 03, 2007, 09:57:32 AM
IS HCAC really that boring or is there a lot of Bengals fans here?

How about the DC vs RHIT game.
DC has been a one man show all year the offense has just in my thought been horrible lots of mistakes up front and no killer instinct.  I've been suprised by the Defense playing really well. Dc has been a very un-disciplined team and it's gonna take awhile to fix with the youth upfront.  This game is huge for DC to try and stay in the race for the playoffs, but I'm picking the Upset

RHIT 17 DC 13

MSJ vs Franklin (I could be a week early with this game but it's gonna be huge)
I think the winner of this game wins the HCAC.  Mount has been impressive to say the least changing both Coordinators losing a starting QB (not sure if that was a bad thing).  Franklin is on the verge in this confrence lets see what happens with this one.
MSJ 30 Franklin 24
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 03, 2007, 10:03:10 AM
Hoss is already planning that, It is going to be his little project.

GGB: I like your outlook on the MSJ Franklin game, but we have to take care of Hanover first!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 03, 2007, 10:09:41 AM
I knew that game was coming wasn't sure if it was this week or next. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 03, 2007, 01:12:47 PM
Party on the hill this Saturday at 1:30 anyone??? I know Tepee's always up for a beat down. I should be careful. That may be mistaken for I'm gonna take your knee out on purpose :)

SaintsFan...I like that. You gave it the Ol College Try. No one can doubt your effort  ;D

And YES, the HCAC is currently boring. There are only 2 'nationally' respectable teams and they don't play for another week. Plus we haven't had any posters (actual player) from an HCAC school in quite a while. Or at least one with any sense. Argue good or bad on player representation, it's better when you have in-depth coverage.

I swear Denny Kimmel is on his 5th or 6th year of eligibility by now. That or Anderson keeps changing the name of their starting HB to Denny Kimmel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 03, 2007, 02:01:42 PM
you know they'll have run out of names when they announce in 2009 that "Jimmy Kimmell" is playing Tailback for them. 


where do you guys think Anderson would be if their coach had stuck around?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 03, 2007, 03:22:22 PM
Sayer,

not sure if i am going to make it, i will let you know....  Don't threaten to hurt any hanover players on here......their coach reads this.

Jimbo, congrats!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 03, 2007, 04:10:15 PM
ggb- how is DC an undisciplined team?

on regard to the dc-rhit game, i'm sure it will be a good one, but if DC establishes their run game like last week they'll have the They will also have to get some presure on RHIT's qb as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 03, 2007, 04:38:02 PM
Has Been you up for a road trip this weekend?  have a room at the Mandalay Bay on Sat.  We can watch the OSU vs Purdue game from the sports book and then get stupid...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 03, 2007, 11:33:02 PM
dc_has_been:
You must not have seen the Tri-State game if you are looking for evidence of lack of discipline.  They had a 10 point lead with less than 6 minutes to play.  They let TSU walk down the field once with the help of a pass interference, a facemask, and a personal foul.  They couldn't handle the onside kick. Then, they let TSU march right down the field again.

DC looked much better on Saturday.  Though, I can remember a couple times thinking that Franklin and Mount would exploit certain mistakes...but I can't remember what those mistakes were at the moment.

Genius Gone Bad:
Given the distance that RHIT has to travel, I don't think an upset is coming this Saturday.  In front of a large Homecoming crowd, I'm predicting a two touchdown victory for the Yellow Jackets.  In other HCAC action, no upsets will occur.  The home teams (Mount, Franklin, and Manchester) will take care of business against the weaker opponents (Hanover, Anderson, and Bluffton respectively).

I'm afraid you were probably right about the Franklin/Mount game essentially being the conference championship.  Though, if DC can make it to the end of the month without beating themselves, they will have the opportunity to upset Mount and/or Franklin on the road.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 04, 2007, 08:46:37 AM
Altor good assessment.  you have to forgive Has_been he is skewed hanging with the other metorsexuals in the O.C.  every once in a while he remembers what it is like to have his sack drop and he talks tough but it comes out wrong becuase his new wife owns his marbles (its OK she's hot and a DR) so all he is dropping is hot air!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 04, 2007, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 03, 2007, 04:10:15 PM
ggb- how is DC an undisciplined team?


I consider a team undisciplined that commits a lot of penalties.  Here's the season breakdown for DC:

Week 1 vs AC 6 for 76 yards
Week 2 vs. OTT 13 - 104 (weather had to play a factor)
Week 3 vs TSU 11 - 103
Week 5 vs MAN 6 -47

DC averages 9 penalties for 82 yards

thats a horrible average.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 04, 2007, 10:47:39 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 04, 2007, 08:46:37 AM
Altor good assessment.  you have to forgive Has_been he is skewed hanging with the other metorsexuals in the O.C.  every once in a while he remembers what it is like to have his sack drop and he talks tough but it comes out wrong becuase his new wife owns his marbles (its OK she's hot and a DR) so all he is dropping is hot air!!

and you are hoping to talk him into driving 5 hours into the desert to meet you??   I'd like to hear your sales pitch on the job..haha
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 04, 2007, 05:53:59 PM
how does weather play a factor in penalties? maybe i missed something in football 101 the last few years???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 04, 2007, 07:01:58 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on October 04, 2007, 05:53:59 PM
how does weather play a factor in penalties? maybe i missed something in football 101 the last few years???

Well for the line when you slip in the mud there is usually a tendency to grab the person you are blocking resulting in a holding penalty.

Explained football 101 style
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 04, 2007, 09:06:08 PM
no, i still don't get it....maybe the fat a$$e$ can use shorter steps and move their feet. i have never heard that a slippery field results in more holding penalties. that may be the most absurd excuse i have ever heard for getting more penalties than the other team. if that was the case, the other team would have as many or more holding penalties for "slipping" in the mud.

or, as usual, i could be taking crazy pills again.

go franklin, kill some mo'fo's who don't know bout the sheezy in the heezy fo shizzy my name be mtizzy.

word.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 04, 2007, 10:31:01 PM
Nobody said it was an excuse for DC to have more penalties than the other team.  It was a plausible reason why a team might have 13 penalties in a game that was delayed for three hours because of rain and lightning.

Incidentally, Otterbein had 10 penalties for 107 yards that night too.  In the next three games, OTT averaged 7 penalties for 56 yards.  So, perhaps the weather was a factor.  Maybe the officials wanted to get their new hankies good and dirty.  Maybe both teams were just plain tired because the game didn't start until nearly 10PM and wasn't over until after 1AM.  I wasn't there so I don't know.

(Also note that none of these are excuses.  In the end, the players were the ones that committed the penalties.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 05, 2007, 01:44:57 AM
Glad to see some more chatter on the board. 
70dcalum- I'm working on Sat., giving the SAT's to high school students.  I always love to remind them that these test are only their future. :D  Plus, I'm in the Valley about a hour north of the O.C. you bloody bastard ;D! Also, stop talking about my sack & marbles, I'm concerned that you have so much knowledge about them.  Last of all, give me a call this weekend.
GGB & Altor-point taken, but I still like to look at that as bad coaching which does lead to being undisciplined.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 05, 2007, 08:29:49 AM
has been
I agree with you 100%
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2007, 08:46:29 AM
GGB, hasbeen and altor,

I think you are all right in some way or form.....its up to the coaches to keep the players FOCUSED during a delay such as that.  I think it can explain maybe a couple of the penalties but the DC team seems to be not as disciplined as in years past.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2007, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2007, 01:44:57 AM
Glad to see some more chatter on the board. 



I would like to see more...seems the HCAC room was more colorful a couple years ago during MSJ's rise to HCAC power. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 05, 2007, 03:51:17 PM
I haven't seen a hanover fan on this board in a looong time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2007, 05:29:31 PM
It was more lively because we were all still in college. Now we're working stiffs like everyone else.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 05, 2007, 05:48:57 PM
SaintsFan:
I haven't seen a truly disciplined DC team in many years.  Even going back to those couple 9-1 teams in the early '90s, they made a lot of dumb mistakes.  Back then, it seemed like they would get penalized at least twice a game for stupid and unnecessary personal fouls...things like taunting or late hits out of bounce.  In recent years, they've really cleaned a lot of that up, but you still see the occasional slip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 12:10:08 AM
Altor,

Perhaps "Eng's" induction, tomorrow, might serve as a decent example for the current crop at "North Clinton High."  Dragon Lady and I wanted to get up for it, but not in cards.  Hope that Jimmy Clark, Bill McPhee, Mike Matta, Gary Blakeman, Tommy Shaffner, Sparks, and others of that era do.  They may have been beaten by ONU and MUC, but there weren't any chippy players under Tigyer.

Back to the metamusil, rose hip tea, and Lawrence Welk hour.

Best to all HCAC teams tomorrow - stay healthy.

DC'75

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 06, 2007, 12:38:49 AM
can you get sick drinking your own pee?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 01:42:02 AM
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can you get sick drinking your own pee?

Psychologically, probably; chemically, not deadly.  Add a smattering of hops, granola, and soda water and you've got an equivalent of Bud Light  ;D

Hope your Griz kick it tomorrow, VB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 06, 2007, 11:38:11 AM
i am hoping the griz keep building off of each week and keep getting better. i know i have said it before, but indy is a great football town and a town that could have a great DIII playoff team each year.

anybody hear nick saban bashing south florida's recruiting? don't they have to meet the same ncaa requirements at alabama as they do at usf? thought that bold statement was out of line, personally.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 06, 2007, 02:31:14 PM
FC looking good early up 21-0 with a little under ten minutes to go in first half.

Rupp has already thrown for over 200 yards plus they have combined for over 100 yards rushing.

Live stats of game:
http://www.franklincollege.edu/athletics/TAS/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 02:43:46 PM
If Rupp & Dillon keep on padding their stats for the rest of the season, it will be interesting to see who gets the offensive MVP b/c right now they are putting up huge #'s.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 03:09:16 PM
Any update on the DC score?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 03:11:57 PM
20-7 DC at the end of the first was the last update that I've seen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 03:29:05 PM
27-21 DC at the half
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 03:58:05 PM
28-27, RHIT.  Start of 4th, DC has ball on Rose 18 after 36 yd Vetter draw, Thornton run, and quick passes to Dillon and Nate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 04:01:43 PM
Touchdown, Vetter to Dillon.  2 pt misfires.  Dillon has 10 catches, 145 yds, 4 TDs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 04:41:52 PM
Congrats to DC and thank you, RHIT long-snapper.  RHIT muffs winning FG with 5 seconds left.  33 to 31.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 06, 2007, 08:26:57 PM
Sun and heat got to both teams in Defiance today.  Though I think RHIT looked in better condition at the end of the game.

RHIT had the ball, down 2 points, with 4 minutes to go.  On 1st and ten, they throw a 40 yard bomb that was defended well, but the receiver caught it on what looked like the 2nd or 3rd attempt.  After that, it looked like they were going to march right down the field and put it in the end zone...certainly everyone felt the game-winning field goal attempt was coming.  Then, DC intercepted a pass with 1:55 on the clock at the 5 yard line.  RHIT had one time out, which they used after 1st down.  On 2nd down, DC gains a few yards, leaving 3rd and 5 or 6.  Clock running...snap come at about 1:05.  Tailback takes the ball and tries to run clock by going around the end.  Ball pops loose and RHIT recovers about the 25 yard line...probably already in field goal position.

They take 2 plays to gain 7 or 8 more yards and center the ball on the middle of the field.  Spike the ball on 3rd down with 8.5 seconds.  Field goal unit comes out.  I thought the snap was good from where I was on the home side....apparently cave2bens thinks it was bad *shrug*.  Whatever happened, the ball that came off his foot was the worst ball I'd seen him kick all day (warm ups included).  It was kinda a knuckling line drive that hit the upright and bounced back into the endzone.  DC just took a knee to end the game.

The ironic thing, after all that talk about penalties this week, there were probably 4 or 5 flags thrown total today (about 2-3 per team).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 08:57:02 PM
Thanks for the play-by-play altor, I would have been going nuts if I was there.
Did I read right that "the Berg" beat Baldwin-Wallace?  That would be a huge win for their program.  Also, it is good to see that Manchester is currently 3-2!, they have something in common w/ the Detroit Lions :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 07, 2007, 12:09:13 AM
yep, they beat baldwin wallace. amazing.

franklin was tough today, from what i heard.

i just got done watching all of the big games. big times games from cincy and lsu, and osu and stanford??? wow, harbaugh leading like bo. or leading like his father.

not too much else. the good guys keep winning and big time college ball is filled with whacky business. we should all meet in fort wayne and go to a nice asian massage parlor. enjoy your sundays and have a great day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 12:57:46 AM
How about Harbaugh calling out USC (-44) during the PAC 10 Media Day....he said they might have been the best team in college football history and then beats them...wow

Pete Carroll's face is priceless when the Trojans get beat..

Coach Hallett and his staff leading the Student Princes over Baldwin Wallace...wow.

Thomas More gets all over the 7th ranked defense in the country.  Using another freshman QB making his first collegiate start...they pound Westminster 34-7

and finally, Notre Dame is OFF the schnide...

great day for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 11:30:12 AM
also my old QB's Coach, Steve Sigler's team was victorious yesterday over Wisconsin. 

Congrats Coach Sigs.....you have come a long way from Panhandle St to Illinois....if you are reading this....I've lost your number since our last "chat" from back in December.  Give me a call. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
also got to call out the MSJ Sports Information Department....  I mean, the local news showed some highlights of the win against Hanover (two plays to be exact), but its more than this website has seen all year...step up.  You've got a good football team once again, but nobody outside of Cincinnati can read about it.


also, Pat.....I didn't see the Thomas More/Westminster game on the schedule yesterday...did I miss something??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 07, 2007, 12:25:28 PM
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I thought the snap was good from where I was on the home side....apparently cave2bens thinks it was bad *shrug*.  Whatever happened, the ball that came off his foot was the worst ball I'd seen him kick all day (warm ups included).

Sounds as if you had a better seat, surveying the "back 40" and Mikula's corn crop than I - listening to "The Bull -105.7" and their rather mundane/broken commentary - from my less than scenic office in Atlanta.  Simply relaying description of high snap, and "difficulty for the holder," per the announcer (amidst his plea for "brownies from some co-ed." 

Apologies to the RHIT center if non-confirmatory post caused undue, personal agitation.  Just satisfied that Mike's HOF induction and another missed Homecoming wasn't marred by a DC faux pax.  Chalked as a "my bad" - for what that's worth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2007, 12:25:57 PM
Coach Hallet is a great coach and as I have always said, very personable and players like playing for him. I never played for him but still liked talking to him and BSing whenever I had the chance. Glad to see he may have the Berg turning in the right direction. Which is bigger. The Berg beating BW this year or Oberlin beating Wooster back in 2003? Thus far, the college football season has been great at all levels.

UC and Rutgers. They put together an ESPN instant classic last night. Brian Kelly has put together a solid team (same individuals as Dantonio but play together as a team 10 times better). I am very impressed by the character of UC. Down at halftime on the road and don't give up.

Ohio State beat up the Boilers (Sorry Coach Hill). Purdue came in averaging 500+ yards of offense a game and over 45 points. OSU held them scoreless for 59 minutes and 50 seconds and held them to 277 yards of offense. I wish it would have been a good game however. Purdue's starting left guard is from Indian Hill and as much as I hate the Braves, I like this kid. He wrestled and I used to roll around with him during his junior and senior year. He couldn't stop my throws :) He was 6'4" 245 in HS and tried everything to gain weight. First year at Purdue he gains 35 pounds. And to quote ESPN...OSU's defense is "Sick."

After USC lost (GO JIM HARBAUGH) I was a Florida fan for the first time in my life. Too bad that didn't work out but LSU is very tough and has a chance to go undefeated in the SEC (Which is rather weak this year but still possibly the best all around conference in college football). They are a very scary team. You know Florida was giving it everything they had after losing to Auburn and still couldn't hold off the Bengal Tigers.

The Cardinal pulled off the biggest upset possibly since OSU beat Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Great game. USC has shown signs of struggling (last week barely beating an upstart Washington team). What makes this sweeter is Harbaugh called out USC. Though he did "praise" USC and Pete Carroll, it was more of a knock on him and his program and to go out and beat them is unbelievable.

MSJ kicks the sh!t out of Hanover...which I loved every minute of, but I would rather play in the style of game against Hanover my junior and senior year than blow them out like that. But...I know Tepee will post sooner or late...I LOVE IT!



Bring on Franklin: "Let's open up a whole can of kick ass and kill 'em all, let the paramedics sort 'em out. "
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2007, 12:36:29 PM
And I finally found out why this post forum is so boring. We're all friends (in an odd sort of way). We BS and talk football sharing our beers together electronically. There is no trash talking. So to be the confident man I once was and stir the pot, MSJ will beat the Grizz at Home.

4-Peat!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 07, 2007, 03:23:46 PM
cave2bens:
I was in the top row, right in front of the radio guys.  It's also possible that I missed the snap.  Given that I hadn't seen the kicker mis-kick one that badly all day, I'm starting to doubt myself.  I was in a bit of a daze by the end of the game...it was so stinkin' hot.

Heh, one of the moms brings a box of brownies to every game.  Whenever DC scores a TD, she passes around the "Touchdown Brownies."

Adam:
I'm going to wait until mid-week to give my predicitions, but I must say that Franklin's box scores are looking pretty darn good so far.  That is going to be one heck of a game.  I hope it's on an Internet feed somewhere next weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 07:58:10 PM
altor,

maybe the "touchdown brownies" had something to do with your state of mind and NOT the heat..


Adam, its very good to see Hallett giving the Student Princes some discipline..  If the administration is as committed to turning things around as is rumored....Hallett will bring back some of the old tradition and make the team a consistent winner in Tiffin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 07, 2007, 11:16:31 PM
sayer,

the game this week will be like the russian killing apollo creed. the grizzlies are the russian, you are creed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on October 08, 2007, 12:27:14 AM
Hey guys, been a while but I still stop in to read.  Been up here at Indiana Wesleyan University finishing up my school.  I start student teaching this spring so it won't be long until I join the ranks of some Cincy-area high school  ;) .  It's a little late (a week late to be exact) but I went to the Anderson - MSJ game last weekend since Anderson is just down the road from here in Marion, In.  I must say I'm pretty impressed with this years Mount team.  It's not the usual "cataclysmic destruction" defense that I'm used to seeing, but they got the job done.  The offense is what really got me excited, although it was a bit nestaulgic watching the Soriano-style offense (being lead by an Anderson High QB no doubt).  Playing against them in high school was rough enough so I can almost sympathize for MSJ's opponents' defenses.  That man can coordinate an offense, and he has the Lions geared in the right direction.  They really seemed poised and confident.  56 points against Hanover, I believe that's a Mount record, beating my freshman year mark of 51 over Hiram.  Go Lions go.
I'm debating on making an appearance at the Franklin game.  I may be in town but not sure yet, plus I want to see some of y'alls ugly mugs anyways.  Being up here in Indiana has me missing the Cincy-love from back home.  I won't talk about the Bengals though, it's just too hard right now.  I'll just stay focused on the Bucks and my MSJ Lions, who, as Sayer so adequetly put it, will inevitably 4-peat.  Get those rings fellas, one game at time!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 08:28:30 AM
Yeah, Sayer...I'm with you.  Plus we want MSJ undefeated prior to the Bridge Bowl Game..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 08, 2007, 08:30:51 AM
Remember a few years ago when this board was full of hanover fans and they called us mt. st. blow?  they talked about tea baging our coach?  Where are they now?  



I LOVE IT!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2007, 10:08:19 AM
I'm not old and punch drunk like Apollo Creed was. That would be SaintsFan. I think that hit at Alma is catching up to him :) I, however, would be more like Rocky. Come into your town, jam out to some Eye of the Tiger, slug it out, and send you home crying after I beat you cause your fans like me more than you. Then I would procede to give some dumb speech about changing. But it's not about me. It's about a MSJ senior class who will go 25-1 in HCAC games and walk away with a ring for every finger.

3 consecutive years Franklin has lined up, 3 consecutive years Franklin has come close, but for 3 consecutive years, Franklin has been beaten. Franklin is no doubt the underdog, but MSJ has a group of kids who have the pressure of winning number 4 and keeping the streak alive. You don't want to be "that" class who doesn't win. I'm confident they can and will handle the pressure.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2007, 10:11:29 AM
Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey, Good-Bye!!!


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 01:02:18 PM
I may be old and punch drunk...but I still gave that jerk-off at the bar a run for his money when I cleaned him up!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 08, 2007, 02:23:15 PM
apollo was in the best shape of his life, that's all i am saying.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 03:37:27 PM
thats definitely not me...but will be soon.  I'm going to make sure of that.  Even have a new tattoo picked out to help me celebrate it..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2007, 06:56:16 PM
I'll be in shape too. Me and the Ol Lady are getting Gym meberships to the Hyde Park Golds Gym (once the one in Kenwood is built, we'll go there). She has lost 40 pounds and I'd like to lose another 35-40. I still got wrestling season to look forward to.

It's the, eye of the tiger, its the trill of the fight....... It's in my head.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on October 08, 2007, 08:15:20 PM
Speaking of being in shape, you should see me in my new team uniform Sayer and Teepee.  Never thought I would have a calling in Competitive Cheerleading, but God works in mysterious ways.

What's with Luke Dillon's huge numbers?  Good for him and all, but can we get some love in the stat column for Mike Jones? (Who?)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 08, 2007, 09:17:42 PM
Cave2bens and altor, the brownies in the DC stands after TDs got their start two or three years back. I think Mike Brancheau's mom and Ryan Sloan's mom started doing it. I remember sitting next to one of them at a game where DC put up a bunch of points and getting stuffed on brownies. I think it was Anderson or Hanover. But that was BHA (Before Heart Attack). I'd have to take a pass on them now.

Speaking of the announcer, Cave2bens and altor, I was listening to the podcast down here in Florida and the regular sports announcer had this annoying way of saying "and complete" when referring to passes. It sounded like he was saying "incomplete" then you'd learn that there was a pass completion. He said it every time and it was pretty frustrating trying to decipher what he was talking about. DC put up some pretty good numbers Saturday but they'd better get their secondary up and running. They gave up way to many big plays. And Vetter - dammit! He's actually a pretty good QB in the pocket or when he runs the ball (tough little bastard) but every time he rolls out, he throws off his back foot and it's usually for a pic. DC has three pretty good targets at wideout and Vetter is starting to rotate them. When someone plays man or zone coverage on Dillon, he throws to Dillon because all Luke has to do is jum two feet and he's already eight and a half feet in the air. By the time he sticks his arms up, he's eleven feet up there. Kinda hard to cover that. If they double team Dillon, Vetter can throw to Gary Allen or Nate Fitton.  I like this Thornton kid at running back, too. A freshman, no less.

Sayer, you should've been down here for the past couple of weeks. We had a red tide. The beach was piled up a foot deep in rotting fish carcasses. It smelled like the dirty uniform hamper of a women's basketball team. Uggghhh!

Hey, you DC guys, I don't hear from you anymore. What gives?

I was planning to get up for the RHIT game but plans fell through. Maybe later in the season now.

Stillmsj: Let me get this right. Did you say you're a cheerleader now? I see your lad Rason Lewis ain't exactly setting the world on fire at McMurry.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 08, 2007, 09:22:01 PM
Second to Dillon on the DC squad is 13 catches for Gary Allen.  Have other teams started to double cover Dillon yet or is he just that good that he can't be stopped?  

How about Rupp's 72% passing w/ only 1 int & 14 td's!  Could you imagine Dillon & Rupp together on the same squad?  

Besides personal stats, this is a huge week for the HCAC.  MSJ vs. Franklin, both are getting some votes for top 25 & both seem to be getting stronger as the season carries on.  My prediction was that Franklin would take this one at the beginning of the season & I'm still thinking that, but MSJ has shown me a lot more than what I first thought of them.  Overall, I'm guessing that this will be a great game & I look forward to reading a lot of smack between victory & the MSJ faithful.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 08, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 08, 2007, 09:17:42 PM

Speaking of the announcer, Cave2bens and altor, I was listening to the podcast down here in Florida and the regular sports announcer had this annoying way of saying "and complete" when referring to passes. It sounded like he was saying "incomplete" then you'd learn that there was a pass completion. He said it every time and it was pretty frustrating trying to decipher what he was talking about...


Joe,

There must be inherent (not inherited) problems with southerners trying to comprehend proper, midwestern elocution when the broadcast crosses the Mason-Dixon.  I was plagued with a similar auditory impairment.  Per Altor's comment, don't imagine many OH football fanatics expect (or accept) 90 degree, October afternoons, and perhaps that accounted for the diction discrepancies...  ;D  With the EtOH bans @ Defiance, we can't blame that... I'd have never survived  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 08:19:25 AM
Speaking of male cheerleading....


ONLY would an ex Mount St Joe player become a cheerleader.  Says something about whats going on up there in Delhi.  My God...
(yes, Sayer....I had to go there)  Reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids had to attend the Museum of Tolerance because Mr. Garrison decides to try to get fired for choosing to 'bat from the side of the plate he bats from'


Sayer, btw that Golds is right by my house now....I mean seriously right across the street.  There are many wonderful bars in the area....maybe after one of your workouts we could hit up the Pub. 

has_been,

I don't think there'll be smack talk from the MSJ guys (see note on cheerleading above). 

Also...rumor has it they've been disguising Dillon as a referree on some plays, a ball boy for a few others and a member of the chain gang for the rest of the plays where his number is called.  I think if the HCAC and NCAA catch onto this and FORCE Defiance to paint the same boundary lines around their field that everyone else has to have.....Dillon should be able to be stopped.  At that point, it will be up to Taylor through some creative methods utilizing film study (ala the Patriots)...to keep getting him the ball.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
My ex just informed me that she's getting us two tickets to the South Carolina/Tennessee tilt in Knoxville on October 27th.  That should be great fun, as I get to cross a stadium off my "list" of ones to see...


Good topic for here:

Whats your "list"??

Mine was:

The Coliseum (USC)     -  BEEN THERE
Memorial Stadium (Cal-Berkley)
Husky Stadium (UW)
Memorial Stadium (Illinois)
Notre Dame Stadium     -  BEEN THERE
The Big House
The Horse Shoe      - BEEN THERE
Tiger Stadium (LSU)
Tiger Stadium (Clemson)
Neyland Stadium (Tennessee)
The Swamp (Florida)
Rose Bowl
Autzen Stadium (Oregon)


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 09, 2007, 01:35:45 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 08, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
With the EtOH bans @ Defiance, we can't blame that... I'd have never survived  ;)

You apparently don't know that the Board passed a new alcohol policy beginning with last school year.  The College even had a beer tent out on Webster St before the game on Saturday!

Dillon is getting his share of opportunities.  Early in the game against RHIT, he just ran right by the defense.  Vetter just had to get the ball to him.  Vetter stopped throwing the ball downfield in the second half.  I think the heat got to him more than anybody else on the field (this last part is very much speculation on my part).

I've been to the last 3 games.  I don't remember Thornton being such a key part of the offense as he was on Saturday.  I hope it's a good sign of things to come.  I'll take 6.7 yards/carry every Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2007, 02:49:13 PM
Quote from: altor on October 09, 2007, 01:35:45 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 08, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
With the EtOH bans @ Defiance, we can't blame that... I'd have never survived  ;)

You apparently don't know that the Board passed a new alcohol policy beginning with last school year.  The College even had a beer tent out on Webster St before the game on Saturday!


Actually alcohol ban was in reference to game site, and very much aware of new policy...
Might be surprised as to which "whos, what's, and where're" are known  ;)

Great List, Saints Fan -

I'd only add several others:

Either DK Royal TX Memorial Stadium or Kyle Field for Horns/Aggies
Bryant-Denny Stadium in Tuscaloosa
Sanford Stadium in Athens (GA, not OU's)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 09, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
My ex just informed me that she's getting us two tickets to the South Carolina/Tennessee tilt in Knoxville on October 27th.  That should be great fun, as I get to cross a stadium off my "list" of ones to see...

Lucky you...I've been to Neyland.  You won't be disappointed.  Knoxville is amazing on game day!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 03:37:01 PM
Thats what she said...I can't wait. 

She still tells the story of how they rushed the field to tear down the goalposts after the win over Florida in 1998..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 09, 2007, 05:14:29 PM
texas or texas a&m would be great choices. i have heard wonderful things about lsu at night. tennessee is insane as well.

some other ones you may not have thought of that i have heard great reviews for:

boise st (great game day atmosphere)
vanderbilt (great football coming in, very festive)
penn st (happy valley rocks on game days)
iowa (50/50 from people)
alabama or auburn (friends have loved both places, any place in the south is tremendous for tailgating as well)


could we be seeing nippert stadium up here soon??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 09, 2007, 06:18:56 PM
cave2bens:
I'm not ignoring your PMs.  Apparently, I don't have enough posts yet to send even a reply back to you.  I guess I'll just have to keep posting. :P


I've only ever been to one I-A stadium on game day, so I can't add much to this conversation, especially since that one was a night game at the Glass Bowl in Toledo when I was about 10 years old.

I've been in the 'Shoe when the OHSAA State track meet used to be held there, but not for game day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2007, 06:53:02 PM
No sweat, Altor.  I believe (and trust me, someone will jump in if necessary) the Site Administrator (PC, himself?) put some restrictions on new members to eliminate some shenanigans that had occurred with abuse.  Sorry I cannot recall more specifics.

Two other game day stadiums that rock - if you can stand all the red...

Camp Randall in Madison, Wisconsin
Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska

Wouldn't attire yourself in Gamecock Maroon and Black, SF.  Tennessee probably hates Spurrier more than the Bulldog faithful in Athens.  Copper Kettle, in downtown Knoxville, has some pretty good eats and beers.  Ear plugs are a necessity if bored with three, constant renditions of "Rocky Top" (and ex's rancor???)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 09, 2007, 09:20:45 PM
Other than the Big House I think Autzen Stadium is an awesome stadium & has a great game day atmosphere.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 09, 2007, 10:11:37 PM
Bob, as you so aptly noted, there does, indeed, seem to be some sort of atmospheric phenomena affecting the radio transmissions of speech patterns north and south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I would imaging that quaffing extreme quantities of certain fermented beverage consisting of hops, malt and water might have a direct effect on this atmospheric oddity, but I think it's also quite possible that people "down heah" talk like we've got a mouth full of hot grits and our ears just ain't accustomed to the Cream of Wheat linguistics in yon northern climes. What say you, brother? ;D

Ben, I'd love to see Dillon and Rupp teamed up. I think that would qualify as a holy shyte moment.

Having said that, I am no longer sure Franklin will take the cake this season. It would seem that MSJ is now capable of putting up respectable amounts of points (now that they have a real QB ramrodding the ball) and their defense is still on fire. Both teams can put up points. The question is now, who has the better D. That I think still belongs to MSJ and I think it might carry the day. Still, it will be a great game and I predict it'll be decided by a touchdown or less.

Unless the MSJ guys all show up in their cheerleader outfits, then all bets are off.

Sayer, how's you family doing? Be sure to tell your mom I said hello.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on October 09, 2007, 11:53:01 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 08:19:25 AMONLY would an ex Mount St Joe player become a cheerleader.  Says something about whats going on up there in Delhi.  My God...
Nothing a partial scholarship and chance to toss around a bunch of hot chicks wouldn't do to convince anyone else to do the same.  Other than the weightloss, it speaks more to the type of athlete MSJ can make you, if you even knew how hard it is to do a back tuck or hold someone above you with one arm.  8)
But like Hubie used to say, "we're not all about that highschool 'RA RA' bull****."

Back to the game, MSJ will beat Frankling in the second half pending a lack of mistakes and turnovers.  From the poise I witnessed up at AU, the Lions offense has their **** together and its more than likely the Hubie will have them ready and serious.  Pete Carrol can assure us that in this game, on all levels, anything can happen.  Go Lions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 10, 2007, 07:51:42 AM
I am finally on here after only reading the board for 7 years.  I agree with Victorybell about game day at Happy Valley.  I was at the game about 5 years ago when Penn State played Nebraska and people were sitting in the aisles.  Beaver Stadium was the third largest city in PA.  It was amazing.

I am going to try and make the MSJ game on Saturday even though I should probably be at the house helping my wife unpack but that isn't very much fun.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2007, 08:40:42 AM
I now think MSJ is going to lose....unless Sayer shows up in his cheerleading outfit. 

cave2bens,

i can put up with anything my ex does...as long as she takes me to the game and takes care of me later.  HA!  I'll even wear orange...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 10, 2007, 08:49:03 AM
I would like to go to beaver stadium and wear a bright yellow shirt to one of their "whiteout" games.

travis ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2007, 09:14:55 AM
i would like to go to Beaver Stadium next year to play QB....since they have "Open Tryouts" Yearly...

I think any of us could do it, really.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 10, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
Quote
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2007, 08:40:42 AM
I now think MSJ is going to lose....unless Sayer shows up in his cheerleading outfit. 

cave2bens,

i can put up with anything my ex does...as long as she takes me to the game and takes care of me later.  HA!  I'll even wear orange...

Geez, Neyland as a giant "Skinner Box"... game matchup and bonus stimuli would have me hopping around like a grinning, Push-Up too.  ;D  Have big fun!

Quote
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 09, 2007, 10:11:37 PM
Bob, as you so aptly noted, there does, indeed, seem to be some sort of atmospheric phenomena affecting the radio transmissions of speech patterns north and south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I would imaging that quaffing extreme quantities of certain fermented beverage consisting of hops, malt and water might have a direct effect on this atmospheric oddity, but I think it's also quite possible that people "down heah" talk like we've got a mouth full of hot grits and our ears just ain't accustomed to the Cream of Wheat linguistics in yon northern climes. What say you, brother? ;D


As a fellow, nitro-carrying member of the cardiac club, days of intense, volumetric intake are behind me - the rental contract (and potential consequences) may lead to embarrassments from outflow vents other than my mouth. Then there's the "Dragon Lady."  :D

After living in nine, different geographies over the past four decades, this poster is no one to judge another's inflections and pronunciations.  Nothing like being classified as a verbal "mutt" - does that constitute a accentual, vowel movement?  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 10, 2007, 12:07:05 PM
Every year Penn State can never get a QB.  I know they don't have a QB but with Wisconsin, Purdue and Ohio State coming to Happy Valley I think we have three wins at least from these games. 

I know what the OSU fans are going to say, but remember what happen the last time the Buckeyes came to Happy Valley.  Were they undefeated then to?

Back to DIII football, I think the Mount beats Franklin 42-14.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 10, 2007, 01:46:23 PM
Wow, a 28 point blowout prediction.

MSJ should be the favorite in this game playing at their place, but I'll go with the Grizz upsetting the Lions in this one 24 - 21.

Should be a great game to watch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2007, 02:40:25 PM
Who all is going to this game Saturday at MSJ?  What time is it?

I may be making an appearance..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 10, 2007, 06:26:09 PM
Pretty nice pregame write up about the MSJ/Franklin game in the around the region section by Clyde Hughes.  After reading it got me excited for the game.  Hopefully both teams just destroy eachother leaving DC to come through & steal the HCAC crown. ;D
On predicting this game I'm still going w/ Franklin edging out MSJ.  If MSJ can somehow rattle Rupp then it will be a different story.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 10, 2007, 07:04:50 PM
You know I will be there as soon as I get back from our JV game at Middletown Fenwick. If you come, just skip the entrance and walk to the south endzone and sit on the hill. Anyone think the MSJ meter maids would get angry if we brought a charcoal grill onto the hill? He hasn't been on here in a while but Rick Wiehe will be there too along with a sh!t-ton of others.

The key in this game isn't going to any team's offense vs defense match up. It will be special teams. I believe MSJ has the better unit. It's the same kicker the last 4 years and he can make it fairly consistently from 40+. MSj doesn't have to get 6 every time whereas Franklin might. MSj has home field advantage and a better offense than last year and a great running back named Mike Lovell (name may ring a bell). In 3 games against Franklin he has 80 carries, 382 yards, and 5 TD's. If MSJ has the lead in the 4th quarter, they can pound Lovell and work the clock.

I see them winning 34 - 28.

PTR
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 10, 2007, 07:19:22 PM
I want every MSJ football player to see this and realize what you're expected to maintain. There have been battles, injuries, and close calls, but one thing has remained the same. We don't F'ing lose to Franklin. In 2004, we were down 30-27. Tepee walks into the huddle and remindes us why we did all the hard work in the spring and summer. It wasn't to go 9-1 and almost win a HCAC Championship. It was to WIN the damn thing. We proceded to go on a game winning, 7 minute drive. Sometimes you just need to realize when the going gets tough...you're the better man. Line up and kick the piss out of the man accross from you. That's what is expected of the MSJ players when they line up on Saturday. No exceptions.


YEAR                 MOUNT                    FRANKLIN
2006                     21                              14
2005                     41                              20                             
2004                     34                              30
2003                     17                              13
2002                     28                              13
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 10, 2007, 07:30:00 PM
That's about the way I see it, too, Adam. Your prediction on the point spread is pretty much what I had in mind. I still think D v O is going to be an important factor in this game but there's also the Lovell factor and, as you say, special teams, which MSJ has traditionally done a pretty snappy job of from what I've seen the past four years. It's like real estate, only instead of location, location, location, it comes down to field position, field position, field position.

Bob, do you carry in your wallet or on your person a cardiologist certified piece of documentation appertaining thereto the make, model, serial number and physical composition of said medical and/or therapeutic device(s) and/or structure(s) implanted within the coronary confines of your thoracic region? I do. Mine contains language that literally makes the geniuses of the airport TSA (Take your Shoes off Agency) call their supervisors in for a confab, whereupon they all stand around in a large semicircle scratching their heads and scrotums and uttering such witty and pithy remarks as "Whoa!" and "Holy ****!" and "Go-llly!" and "Is that thing REALLY radioactive, dude?"

As a third generation Irish American sufficiently embalmed by the spirits of ethanol, I've had no need to top off me tanks or pickle me liver for the past 21 years. I do, however, make an occasional visit to one of those smoky rooms where the current poison of choice is vast quantities of foul tasting coffee just to see if other people really do piss in the closet or on the next door neighbor's front porch (with said porch light brightly shining), or if it was just my own special way of saying, "I've probably had wayyyyy too much to drink."

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 10, 2007, 10:47:25 PM
Just did a little research before I made my picks for the week.  I don't know why I was under the impression that Franklin's wins were more impressive that MSJ's.  These two teams should really stack up well against each other.  MSJ beat Wilmington by 12 and Illinois Wes by 10.  That probably compares to Franklin beating OWU by 13 and Tri-State by 24...perhaps a slight edge to Franklin on that last one.  They've played one common opponent so far.  MSJ beat Anderson by 37 and Franklin won by 36.  Franklin does have the 2 point loss to undefeated Wabash and MSJ hasn't really played anyone of that caliber yet.

I was planning to predict a 2 TD or more win for Franklin, but now I'm imagining this one coming down to the final plays.  Franklin 34, MSJ 31.  Boy, I wish I could be there.

In other HCAC action, nothing else will be close.  Manchester will defeat Hanover by 3 TDs.  Defiance over Anderson by 24.  And RHIT will avenge last week at Bluffton's expense.  Expect a 30 point difference in Terra Haute.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 11, 2007, 07:52:28 AM
Can you believe that D3football.com is talking about MSJ and Frankling playing for a conference title.  It wasn't that long ago that it was all about Hanover and Anderson.  MSJ and Franklin use to be the bottom feeders on the league. 

Conference Standings from 2001:

Defiance                5 1
Anderson              5 1
Hanover                4 2
Bluffton                 4 2
Franklin                 2 4
Manchester           1 5
Mount St. Joseph  0 6   



I am probably going to make it to the game on saturday but it is still up in the air.  I have mixed feelings about rooting for the Mount with some of the things that took place in the off season but it is hard to turn away from something that you were apart of for so many years.

I have a new prediction (after talking to wise people)

Mount 35-28
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2007, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: altor on October 10, 2007, 10:47:25 PM
Manchester will defeat Hanover by 3 TDs. 

I knew I wasn't going to be the one to go there...but there it is. Manchester will beat Hanover by 3 TD's. Of all the topsy-turvy, rollar-coaster, occurances in the HCAC the last 5-6 years, I never thought I would ever see this prediction (a pridiction that may actually happen...though I think it will be closer). My how things have changed.


PTR     PTR     PTR     PTR     PTR     PTR
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2007, 08:56:20 AM
An additional note to a previous post. They don't only have to pound Lovell. They have a back up running back named Kevin Cocanougher who is more than capable of doing it as well. JacketsFan and/or his boy would remember 2004 when we were up big on Defiance, 34-10. We have our JV's in the game and hand the ball off to Kevin (aka Tink) to run out the clock. Tink breaks about 5 tackles and rumbles 15+ yards for a TD making it a 41-10 MSJ win. Defiances coaches were not pleased. Currently Lovell has 372 yards and 4 TD's and Tink has 282 yards and 3 TD's. It's a system much like 2004 when we had Lovell and Ricky Story.

A 4th quarter MSJ lead will usually end with a MSJ W. Much like the Steelers back in the day using Jerome Bettis.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 11, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
MSJ guys,

what happened to the RB from Anderson??  The young kid..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 11, 2007, 07:49:18 PM
What can I say?  I call them as I see them.  Actually, I am probably overstating it a little.  But what fun are predictions if you don't go out on a limb occasionally?

Manchester is a much improved team over the last couple years.  They still have a long way to go.  Then again, so does most of the conference.  The Rose/Manchester game should be a good one when it comes around in November.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2007, 08:47:23 PM
He might be banged up. I don't remember if he played last weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCFan1481 on October 12, 2007, 12:30:10 AM
I've been reading this page for sometime, and after seeing a couple of posts wondering where the Hanover fans are, I thought I would respond.  I know many of the guys I played with at HC have long been perplexed as to what is going on at the school.  It has been a remarkable fall from grace for the program that has left many of us stunned.  I was on campus for the Butler game, and it was sad to see what our once prideful program has become.  It is a shame to think that when I graduated we were consistently picked to as one of the top teams every year in the conference to now being a bottom feeder many of you have picked to lose by 3 touchdowns to Manchester this week.  I don't doubt Coach Perry's ability as a coach, but I feel he is leaving the program in order to get some new blood in the head spot that can hopefully draw on and restore the tradition of Hanover football.  Hopefully, the new president will work hand in hand with the new coach to not only rebuild the program but the facilities as well.  I would love to hear anyone's opinions as to why the program plummeted the way it did.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2007, 06:30:58 AM
hcfan,

welcome aboard.  My Uncle was an all-conference Defensive End for the Panthers back in the 60s..met his wife in school there (he was a man among boys from what I hear-- went to Hanover after a tour in the military).  My sophomore year in high school, I went to the Hanover passing camp and met the man who recruited Uncle Jack to the school there....great guy.  I think he's gone now though and his name escapes me.  Anyways, myself going to Thomas More.....Hanover was always a BIG, BIG game for us....and I admit its inconceivable what has gone on at Hanover in the past few years (I refuse to think they'll lose to Manchester United)....eventhough my Aunt and Uncle have been gone for 7 years now (died exactly two weeks apart), I still remember the phone calls I'd get after Hanover had beaten us.  I also work with a couple guys that played at Hanover...so I understand how stunned everyone is.  I hope you are right and they get back to being competitive..there's alot of tradition to build on at the school..and if the administration truly gets behind the program again, then look out. 

Anyways, as I said, welcome aboard.

Sayer,

I might have my ex from work with me on Saturday....give me a call or something when you get to where you are going to be on Saturday....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2007, 07:31:38 AM
I'm not at all involved with Hanover so this is just speculation:

Standards are one reason why Hanover has started to struggle. Another reason (I believe), that no one has really talked about, is MSJ's presence as a good team. Now that MSJ has a good football team, I think they are stealing some Cincinnati/NKY recruits who would have formerly gone to Hanover. This will change, but it is also one of the factors why TMC hasn't been dominant since 2001. Hanover, Wilmington, TMC, MSJ are all within about an hour (give or take 10 minutes) from Cincinnati.  That doesn't include the borderline recruits who go to UC or Miami, or decide not to play football at all. There is such a saturation of college football within a 100 mile radius of Cincinnati it should almost be expected that schools around here will naturally pendulate. Wasn't too long ago Wilmington was really good. In 1999 or 2000, wern't they 7-3 playing the OAC schedule? TMC throughout the 90's were good, and Hanover has always been good. I guarentee it won't be too long until MSJ has a 7-3/6-4 season. That's just the way it works. Some programs may have a longer pendulum (ie FSU who spent 14 consecutive years ranked in the top 5 or 10 but isn't very good anymore) (ie PSU, Miami (FL)). Then there are schools who go from bad to good to bad to good in a series of years. Just the nature of college football at all levels.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2007, 08:10:04 AM
I believe its admission standards and the facility situation at Hanover that are the biggest contributors...think about it... 

If you have high academic standards, you have limited access to those kids in the Cincy area..and then once you get a kid to visit...you see the facilities (LS Ayres needs updated badly).

Then you also have a certain president of a certain school in Delhi taking verbal jabs at other schools also... 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 12, 2007, 09:29:19 AM
Just got back from vegas last night...i think i am going to be hungover for a week.  Nothing cooler than sitting in the sports book at the Mandalay and the place is going nutz watching Stanford drive.  in the end it really pissed me off because i ended up having to root for Florida which is brutal considering it is Florida and i had $50 bucks on LSU.   Freaking LSU comes back to win by 4 vs the 7pt spread.  they stay #1, I still loose $50, and i have to root for florida.

no offense but i think the Lions finally get knocked from top of the hill
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 12, 2007, 09:58:45 AM
i agree with dc alum
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 12, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
Vbell - shocking you would be in agreement
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 12, 2007, 11:13:17 AM
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Quote from: victorybell_57 on October 12, 2007, 09:58:45 AM
i agree with dc alum

Sometimes, ya go with the odds; sometimes with one's gut.  On this one, given the toss up possibilities, actually listening "to Ma."  Nothing like taking an assessment from four, little old ladies (and roomies) who went to their Sixtieth at Homecoming last week and professed this Franklin team being grittier than last year's edition.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2007, 11:53:16 AM
thats it...if the DC guys are behind Franklin that must mean the Grizzlies are going to commit MASS penalties and have trouble executing.  Then there will be questions about playcalling.

I'm going with MSJ here....besides, I want them undefeated for the Bridge Bowl..  Especially since Franklin (much like Defiance) won't play Thomas More anymore.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 12, 2007, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2007, 07:31:38 AM
I guarentee it won't be too long until MSJ has a 7-3/6-4 season. That's just the way it works. <snip> Then there are schools who go from bad to good to bad to good in a series of years. Just the nature of college football at all levels.

Honestly, this is why I love the HCAC.  Going into every year, you have a good idea of the teams that are probably going to be vying for that championship.  But, that doesn't preclude a 2005 Defiance squad from taking 2nd place after a 1-9 season in '04.  MSJ took about 3 seasons to go from 0-10 in 2001 to 10-0 in 2004, but even that is something you don't see very often in most conferences.

This year, Manchester is the "surprise" so far.  They have a definite chance to go from 1-9 in '06 to 5-5 or 6-4.  MSJ and Franklin better look out.  These guys are looking to make a statement.

The downside to this pendulum is that it is interpreted as "weak" because of the lack of consistent quality performances among its membership.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 12, 2007, 05:09:58 PM
i agree with most of your smack, i just like to disagree with for my own sanity.

i say FC wins this weekend by a score of

38-24. Loads of hitting, just like the previous games with the lions. oh sayer, it's our time now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2007, 06:26:07 PM
We'll see. I scoured the internet for any law prohibiting grilling on the hill. All I found was as long as the fire (charcoal) is contained and doesn't present a risk to others or the area, there's nothing against it. I may buy a $10 charcoal Weber at Wal Mart and get the party started on the hill once I return triumphently from Middletown and the JV game. Then again, I may just bring a cooler and drink my face off while I yell at FC behind their bench :)

Off to Alter for the McNick-Alter game. Just another Alter blow out but McNick's QB is the real deal. FYI for any D3 coaches who read.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 12, 2007, 06:43:40 PM
I've been comparing MSJ's and Franklin's stats - everything from total offense to time of possession. If you go purely by the stats, I think you have to give the nod to MSJ to win this one. The one variable that I found very interesting was that if you look at both teams combined scores for this season, there is a very interesting phenomena apparent in the MSJ stats. Franklin starts out big - scoring something like 80 of its total season to date points in the first quarter. That score drops off by 21 in the second quarter and continues to drop off in the third and fourth. In fact, the combined third quarter score for Franklin is just a couple of points more than all opponents. By the fourth, they actually lag all opponents by a couple. This could simply mean they're only playing scout team members, so I don't attach as much significance to that as I do the third quarter score.

MSJ, on the other hand, starts off slow and then rapidly escalates through the next three quarters, finally tapering off in the fourth. In addition, MSJ's total number of points scored this season trails Franklin only by 10, which isn't all that much when you consider what a high octane offense Franklin has. What struck me though is that, points wise, MSJ seems to be a much more formidable third and fourth quarter team than Franklin. My strictly uneducated guess is that Franklin's fast paced, run up a score quick tactics also takes a toll on the team in the third quarter. I think this is important. With the kind of grind it out in the trenches style of football that MSJ plays, I think it will give them an advantage over a team that, while it may have a superior offense, seems to be somewhat deficient in staying power. And, with the home field advantage and the statistically better special teams advantage that MSJ has over Franklin, I think this will be decisive.

Chad Rupp is an awesome pocket QB. He might even be the best thing D3 has at the moment, inasmuch as in the pocket is concerned. But I think if MSJ starts out by sending the hounds after him early, often and with a vengeance, he will lose some of his famed poise, which is well deserved, no question about it. A pocket QB who is knocked and rocked and punished early on gets hinky about planting his feet. If, and that's the key, MSJ can get to Rupp early on and start knocking him around, I think he'll crack. MSJ leads Franklin in sacks. The two leading MSJ tacklers are far and away better than Franklin's two leaders. This will also be big.

What MSJ has to worry about is punt returns, interception yardage and PATs. Franklin has a comfortable margin in all four of those. if MSJ gets careless with the ball, they lose. If the score gets too close and they have to rely on field goals, MSJ loses because it's only completing 50 percent to Franklin's 100 percent.

I think the final score will be something akin to 30-21 with MSJ winning.

But hey, Berg knocked off Baldwin Wallace last week so what do I know.

Oh yea, one other thing. I was a little disappointed not to see Franklin beat Wabash again this year. I would've thought that with the maturation of Franklin's team and Rupp's continued mastery at QB they would've. That they didn't makes me wonder if they've peaked. But what do I know?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 12, 2007, 11:47:43 PM
Adam, that's a visual I am laughing my ass off about. You staggering around smashed behind the Grizz stands cussing and yelling insults at them.

Hometown football team goes down 17-16 tonight to the West Nassau County Cow Humping Inbred Hillbilly Redneck Doink Heads and falls to 6-1 because the offense came out and played like fairies and the defense stayed in the locker room for a mass circle jerk. I had more fun with my buds tossing peanuts at our other buds three rows down. I scored three direct hits on my wife's doctor's bald head before he realized it wasn't seagulls shyting on him. I was wearing Richard's DC letter jacket because it was freakin' bone shakin' cold (68 degrees) and because Richard left it where I could find it and I never had one of my own so kiss my ass. The doc elbows the guy next to him and points to me and says, "See the juvenile delinquent in the letter jacket three rows up? He's actually a 53 year old man whose wife and kids are probably looking for him and saying, oh crap, I hope he's not out doing something embarrassing like throwing peanuts at people at the football game again."

So I doinked his bald head head again, and his buddy's, too, for good measure, then all of us lobbed peanuts at everyone. It was just like high school only there was no reefer smell in the air and no adults yelling at us to sit down and shut up. Cool!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2007, 12:24:41 AM
I kind of feel like a mathematician who has stared at the same problem for days being frustrated that I can't find the solution. Purcell went out and got beat my an inferior opponent in Fenwick. Earlier this year, they played my Alma Mater, Deer Park and lost 14-9. Deer Park will finish this year 9-1/8-2 and will make the playoffs easily. Purcell played with them for 4 quarters and the DP kids were dropping like flies. Then they go out and play like last night. I can't fathom how this happens.

My whole post-grad education plan is built around being a coach. I'm getting my masters in special education so I can better work with kids of varying needs (physically and mentally). I plan on getting my PhD eventually in psychology so I can understand how people think. Understanding why and how to fix it for the benefit of the athlete intrigues me. But I do not get how a kid's effort can change game to game, day to day. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2007, 08:38:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 13, 2007, 08:41:02 AM
"Purcell went out and got beat my an inferior opponent in Fenwick"  Hey Adam, that is a big win for the Falcons and their Sophomore QB.

The more and more I read about Franklin that more I am leaning towards a Franklin victory.  I hate to say it but they are a high power offense this year and the match up between the OC for Franklin and the DC for The Mount is in favor of Franklin.

I think the biggest question is whether either of these teams can play with the big boys in the playoffs?  The HCAC does not far well in the playoffs.  Franklin lost to Wabash by two and they the 14th team in the country, that is a good program in DIII.  I was not at the game of course but is Franklin a school that can win a playoff game and be in the upper tier of D3?

On the other hand, you don't really know if the Mount is to that level right now because you don't have a game to gauge how good the Mount is till now.  They might come out and blow Franklin away then we will all be saying that they have arrived.

I hope the Mount wins don't get me wrong.  I just want the winner of this to represent the HCAC well in the playoffs.  I don't think the HCAC is very well respected right now around D3 and should it be?

A man once told me (as you see I didn't use "wise") "it is all about what have you done for me lately"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 03:04:02 PM
Gametime updates...

DC 21 - And 0  Half    (I think Dillon had over 100 yrds in the 1st)
RHIT 14 - Bluf 7  Half  (is it possible to be hung over a week later?)
Frank 7 - MSJ 7  Half  (so much for the high powered offenses)
Han 14 - Man 7  2nd  (perhaps all is right with the world)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 13, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
Thanks, Altor.  Been trying to keep up with the HCAC scores, but listening to a heck of a good ball game in Crawfordsville, and hoping the Puppies can break out of their losing streak vs Wooster.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 03:40:06 PM
Frank 21 - MSJ 13   End 3rd
Def 34  - And 0   1:49 3rd
RHIT 21 - Bluf 14  0:51 3rd
Han 17 - Man 7   Half
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 03:50:50 PM
Looks like the Franklin/MSJ game is a good one again.  I am suprised w/ the Manchester/Hanover game.  I did think Manchester was turning the corner as well, but there is plenty of game left too.  Last of all, I'm very pleased w/ the score to the DC game of course.  Hopefully Hans is spreading the ball around though.
Thanks for the updates altor!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 04:03:13 PM
It is now 43-7 DC in the 4th
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 04:14:50 PM
My bad 34-7 ;D, Don't know how I came up w/ 43.  Anyways, anybody have an update on the Franklin/MSJ game?  I can not find an audio feed for that game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 04:19:21 PM
Frank 28 - MSJ 19    FINAL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 04:22:03 PM
RHIT 21 - Bluf 14  FINAL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on October 13, 2007, 04:22:28 PM
Great Win for Franklin College.  Finally, got the the Mt. St. Joseph monkey off your back.  Rupp is a heck of a player!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 04:24:53 PM
altor, you are on the ball w/ the scores!  If I could give you some + karma I would.  
Whatever happened to all my posts?  One second I was over 200 then I had less than 100!
Huge win for Franklin today, looking forward to hearing some final comments from MSJ & Franklin posters.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 13, 2007, 04:28:37 PM
Great game, Grizzlies.

Quote
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 04:14:50 PM
My bad 34-7 ;D, Don't know how I came up w/ 43...

It's called "age", and believe me, it only gets better  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 04:43:11 PM
Han 30 - Man 28   FINAL
Han kicks FG as time runs out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 13, 2007, 04:54:08 PM
well it wasn't the russian knocking out apollo creed, but it was another great franklin/msj football game. great job grizzlies!! let's get tuned up for the final stretch before we get to the playoffs and make some noise.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 13, 2007, 05:09:09 PM
Congrats to Franklin on the big win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 13, 2007, 05:40:14 PM
Way to shine, Grizzlies! I started out the season thinking Franklin would win then I changed my mind and said MSJ would. Should stayed where I was.

Nice win for DC today, too. Way to go, fellas!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
You all knew I'd bere here soon enough. I'll give FC credit. They played great on both sides of the ball, however, MSJ needs to improve on simple aspects of the game. They missed open field tackle after open field tackle. The O-line needs to come together and decide what they want to do with the reaminder of the season. Mike Lovell had 25 carries in the 1st half (estimate). MSJ didn't have that luxery in the 2nd half and a strength, which I thought MSJ had (Specialties) was't a strength at all. This team has been 9-1 and 9-1 since our 10-0 year and will most likely be 9-1 this year, but they have gone downhill since we were 10-0. That was the best team MSJ has and ever will have. Players who have played with me and have been on the former teams have agreed.

It's just an oppinion, but Rod needs to go back to recruting guys who are assholes like me and Tepee (especially tepee) and others. I'm super critical on the o-line, but Steve Wergers, as good as he is and I believe he is an MSJ best, is not an asshole. Rod needs (to quote Mike Hallet) pricks on the O-line. They now have size but they arn't half the O-line we were in 2004. Why? because guys like Me and Tepee would fight a guy before we got beat.  I left that game an embarrassed man. MSJ could have and should have played better. They are capable of playing with the top 15-20 in the NCAA.  That is why it hurts so much.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2007, 05:45:51 PM
I am drunk. I would wite more and no, I didn't heckle the FC bench (As much as an asshole I may be, I'm not that mkuch of a prick). Congrats coach leonard. Represent the HCAC well in the playoffs...please!!!! I'm begging. Had we had a QB in 2004, we would have, but you have a chance. I look forward to treavling to FC again next year. Again, I'm impressed and I am the hardest person I know to impress.


F you all, I'm drunk!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 05:59:41 PM
sayer- i know you are drunk, but I can't believe you threw in the towel b/c of one conf., loss. 

Anyways, DC has disappointed w/ their results against two MIAA schools, but it does look like they are improving even though they haven't played a true test yet.  I'm looking forward to see what they can do against MSJ & Franklin back to back.  First they have to take care of Hanover, so I guess I shouldn't get ahead of myself.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 07:49:19 PM
Some offensive stats from Saturday.  These aren't necessarily the "top x" in any particular category.  I'm just trying to highlight some of the playmakers from each team.
Rushing     Sch  Att  Yrds  TD  Long   Avg
Hartsfield  FC    27   133   1    19   4.9
Kimmel      AU    28   119   1    11   4.3
Lovell      MSJ   28   118   2    14   4.2
Bennett     FC     8    99   1    48  12.4
Thornton    DC    21    99   0    14   4.7
Wong        RHIT  16    66   0    11   4.1
Mason       BU     9    30   2    15   3.3

Passing  Sch  Att  Cmp  Int Yds TD Long
Palmer   MSJ   30   18   0  295  1   36
Grimes   Man   31   22   0  274  1   35
Thiems   Han   21   20   0  235  2   44
Vetter   DC    20   12   1  230  4   54
Coleman  BU    30   15   2  169  0   35

Receiv  Sch  Rec   Yds TD Long
Dillon  DC     8   173  4   54
Miller  Han    8   108  0   24
Yoder   Man    6    90  0   35
Burrell MSJ    5    63  0   36
Eason   RHIT   5    43  1   11
Jones   MSJ    4    72  0   35
Meiner  MSJ    3    55  1   27
Gorrell FC     3    43  0   22
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 13, 2007, 08:09:50 PM
This line might say it all about the FC win:

"CINCINNATI, Ohio - The Grizzlies today captured what might be their biggest football victory ever in the Heartland Conference in a 28-19 decision at Mount St. Joseph."

Go Grizz and dont anything get in your way of winning conference and makin some noise in the playoffs!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 08:24:22 PM
Same thing...only Defensive side.
Defender    Sch  Solo Ast Tot  TFL/Yds Sack/Yds FF FR-Yd Int PD Blkd
McCullough  BU    10   6   16  1.0/2
Pickrell    FC     4   9   13  1.0/2
Spillmann   Han    6   6   12  1.5/2                          1   
Bradtmiller Man   11       11                       1-54
Depoy       Man    8   3   11
Yahl        MSJ    7   4   11  2.0/5
Siegal      MSJ    6   5   11
Cook        Han    8   1    9  1.0/1
Nelson      Han    6   3    9                                 1   
Cornely     Han    4   5    9  1.0/2
Spreen      RHIT   5   4    9  3.0/12   2.5/11   2            1   
Hastings    RHIT   3   6    9                                 1   
Townsell    AU     7   2    9  1.0/9      1/9                     2
Whickcar    AU     6   3    9                            1-0  1   
White       FC     5   3    8                    1  1-0       1   
Snyder      DC     6   2    8
Bayer       DC     5   2    7  2.0/9      1/6
Tietje      DC     5   2    7             1/0    2
Hawkins     RHIT   2   4    6                            2-47 2   
Rode        BU     4        4  1.0/8      1/8                 1   
Cass        DC     2   1    3                            2-13 3   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 09:07:49 PM
altor- d3football.com needs to hire you to do DIII stats for them ;D.  Nicely done.  What were Rupp's stats like for the day?   I noticed he wasn't a qb that was highlighted in your stats.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2007, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 13, 2007, 09:07:49 PM
altor- d3football.com needs to hire you to do DIII stats for them ;D.  Nicely done.  What were Rupp's stats like for the day?   I noticed he wasn't a qb that was highlighted in your stats.
I'm just regurgitating the stats from the box scores at heartlandconf.org.  Trying make it easy to compare numbers for this week.

Rupp was 11-19 for 140 yards, 2 TDs and 1 INT.  The 11 completions were to 6 different receivers...so he spread it around.  He wasn't highlighted because it appeared from the box score that the running backs must have been the stars for FC today.  Admittedly, I originally overlooked the 2 TDs, which certainly deserved to be shown.  Sorry Chad!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 12:19:38 AM
Just a little...I called 700 wlw because some prick was downing UC's defense (they disagreed). UC turned the ball over 4 times  and still held louisville to 28 points (lowest of season). Someone came on and in my oppinion was dowing UC's D. I took exception and was cut off. Bastards.

You ask why am I throwing in the towl. FC needs to lose 2 HCAC games to get bumped from the HCAC championship race. That isn't happeing.  The suprising number to me was FC's running stats. This team was supposed to be a throw and catch offense. Coach Leonard did a good job game planning and I believe caught the MSJ coaches on their heels. They were not prepared for the running game FC had.. Regardless, MSJ had opporunities and could have won. They just didn't capitalize..

I also have a question for anyone who might want to answer. MSJ scores to make it a 28-19 game. Instead of kicking the extra point to make it 28-10 (and still a 1 posession game), Suriano elects to go for 2. The play fails and MSJ is left with a 28-19 deficit...a 2 posession game? Kick the extra point in my opinion. The 2 pt conversion at that point doesn't necessarily gain anything, yet if it is not made, loses everything. Sounds like a riverboat gamble that didn;t work out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 14, 2007, 08:14:14 AM
I was at the game and my take is that by late in the third MSJ really had no gas left. FC ran all over MSJ (232 yards for Hartsfield and Bennet alone). They needed to get something going and had they made the two point conversion momentum may have shifted. Who knows. 

I disgree with the assessment posted earlier the MSJ was caught off guard.  Franklin has been running the ball all season. MSJ just isnt as deep as Franklin.

FC won the battle on the field, the stands(crowd intensity) and in the lot.  The FC tailgate was not only well attended but the food outstanding.  The folks from Pro-Power know how to throw a tailgate.

Great win and the FC train rolls on to Terre Haute for a crack at the Engineers.  Rose will be fired up and this one wont be easy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 09:13:49 AM
They may be running the ball well, but even so, you come into MSJ not expecting to run against their defense. For the most part, MSJ has shut down every team's run game the last 5 years. Teams have had success moving the ball against them in the air. I believe you game plan being like flowing water. You go where their is least resistance. Sure, everyone comes in wanting to run, but conventional wisdom also says you will most likely have trouble against MSj's team, therefore you build an offensive approach around throwing and passing. FC may have good run stats, but they are still a passing team and when you prepare for them, you prepare for the pass. Not the run. Much like Hanover and Anderson back in the day with Joel Steele and Brett Dietz. 9 times out of 10 this is true. Yestderday was the 1 time it wasn't.

Regardless, FC did a great job of executing. That's all it really comes down to. I've always said there is no such thing as a bad play call, just poor execution. A simple trap, if blocked correctly can go for an 80 yard gain on 3rd and 10. It's all about execution. FC did a better job on Saturday than MSJ.

MSJ also had an alarming number of missed tackles and their o-line is getting manhandled. Lovell isn't getting holes, he's trying to fit through creases and crevises and it's wearing on him. He went out late with an ankle injury which in turn hurt MSJ because they became 1-dimensional. It's my beleif that the O-line needs to re evaluate themselves. They just flat out are not getting it done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 14, 2007, 10:00:15 AM
Great day for the grizz!  I look forward to the weeks to come.  Thanks to all the parents and fans that made our pre and post game tailgate so awesome. www.grizzlyball.com (http://www.grizzlyball.com)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 14, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
You are correct that FC has historically been a pass team. But this season's stats suggest more run than pass.  FC is churning on average 180 plus yards a game on the ground.  MSJ has been more stout defensively than the rest of the HCAC a good mix is normally what you need to keep them honest.  Along with execution, FC just has good personnel and they are getting deeper every year.  Mike Leonard is heads and shoulders the best overall recruiter in the conference and he was prior to that when he was the primary recruiter for Hanover.  It all comes down to players and execution.  Look for FC to have turned the corner talent wise and mentally going forward in the conference.  Similar to what the Colts have done against the Patriots.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2007, 12:21:00 PM
Wow!  Franklin beats MSJ & out of nowhere comes several Franklin posters on here.  Hopefully they stick it out & continue to contribute to the board. 
Congrats to the girzz on a big game, looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season plays out.  Big game next week against a team that can gain some yards through the air & put some points on the board.  Still will have to go w/ Franklin, but it could be a good game.
I'm happy w/ the fact that DC is able to get yards through the air & on the ground making them a solid offense.  Still would like to see Allen & Fitton get some more touches, but I guess if it isn't broke don't fix it.  Keep it rolling & crush the Panthers this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 14, 2007, 12:26:37 PM
Interesting observation by fc_alum_84 about MSJ appearing to be out of steam in the third.  When you look at their stats this year, the third has been the Mount's strongest showing. Maybe Adam can shed some light on this. Sayer, what happened in the third quarter that made the Lions fizzle. I mean, seriously, excluding yesterday's game, if you compare their third quarter scoring stats against all others, MSJ is coming on its strongest at that point. Franklin's stats - until yesterday - have shown a scoring lull in the third. Obviously, the third quarter is really important for MSJ in terms of scoring, so why the flip-flop yesterday? Do you think it was a glitch or does this look like something that'll happen again?

By the way, Sayer, you need to buy a plane ticket and get down here and hit  the 15 and 20 mile reefs with me. They're catching some monster red snapper and gag grouper on them. A guy from here pulled the Moby Dick of red snapper of FA Reef last week. The wind's supposed to lay down sometime this week. I'm heading out first thing Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 14, 2007, 01:26:56 PM
First, wanted to congrat FC on winning yeasterday! I'm under the impression, that once Coach Hillvert left for Thomas More, that they MSJ  Defense, would not be as aggresive in years past! Also, the talent pool maybe obvious on the Offense of side of the ball, but the Defense for years, have been the back-bone for MSJ,even when they were not winning games! I truly believe that MSJ, has come along way from losing, but i FEEL when you lose someone like Coach Hillvert and his defensive scheme, it;s hard to live up to the past great players, that once roam the defense(Eric Johnson, Pat Mcatee, Lawless, PJ Volker) I mean, these were some great players, that played on a less then adquate football team! I truly enjoy the game of football, and everything associated with it, teams lose every week, but you have to bounce back, and make sure that you dont look behind you, and worry about one lost. Sometimes teams need to lose, to bring them back down to earth(look at Florida last year) One lost does not make or break your season, it defines who you really are. and can you bounce back, and learn from that one lose, and make something out of it! I Love Coach Hubbie, and what he has done for some many players there at the Mount, and if it was not for his belief in some players, then they would have not made it through the rough times. Past and Present Players, need to know that the word "team" means togetherness, and hard-working, regardless of your race, your economic background, a team is a group of people, who will battle together, and come together, regardless if their 10-0, or 0-10, lets give credit where credit is due! Great win FC, the mount needs to get back to the drawing boards, and remember where they come from, over 200 yards on the ground is terrible!   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 03:01:00 PM
The number of posters on our board has officially doubled in 3 days.

MSJ's o-line wasn't too bad either back in the day.

Joe, to answer your question, I don't know. I believe Lovell got hurt in the 3rd quarter and being in a tough, physical, close game and losing your best player is gonna mess with your head. I think some of the guys may have went in the tank mentally when Lovell hobbled off the field. I'm just trying to offer an excuse. Basically I think MSJ was simply out-executed. FC made plays when they had to and didn't commit dumb penalties (personal foul, etc.) or mistakes.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 14, 2007, 04:12:18 PM
great running game by fc. the offense is doing very well. i wish them luck the rest of the way. i am sure leonard will have the team focused as they make preparations to finish this season high, and soar into the playoffs. it may be premature to talk playoffs, but if you are focused, it is a goal and it won't distract you. great job, and awesome to see more FC supporters on here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 14, 2007, 04:30:31 PM
I think Lovell is a good back, but I know there is some depth behind him, and one player does not make for the outcome of the game! Where was the passing attack? Where the hell was the defensive lineman, to stop the run. Rupp passing numbers were not his average, but he did not have to do much, since the running backs had a career day running the ball. I'm a defensive guy, and I respect good football games, but if your giving up over 200 yards on the ground. I have a problem with that, and so should the players, coaches, alumni, the whole delhi community! Stop spending so much time at Maloneys an get the job done! I hope the HCAC can win a Play-off game this year, because the last couple of years, we have got our a** kicked, wheaton, Mount Union, etc. The Mount Offensive line have not been that good, over the years, just some big ego's and not enough holes open! Tepee, was a good lineman, kept his mouth shut, and played with his pads! The Mount has a history of turning their backs on the players, that have gotten them where they are( Ricky Story, Rashon Lewis, Brian Ham) the list goes on, and on!  I hate when people have been losing their whole football career, starts poppin off the mouth, because they finally won something, the same people, who sit on here talk crap about others, were average at best, and I know, and have seen quite a few people on here play! I'M SORRY I'M DRUNK, AND THE BENGALS ARE GIVEN ME A HEADACHE!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2007, 05:20:22 PM
I don't think MSJ "turns its back on players"....I believe the staff thought Lewis was better than Hamrock, and THEN when Lewis himself became a lockerroom cancer (not to mention ineffective) the team went in another direction (against Thomas More).  You can't fault MSJ for that..  Coach Huber isn't just making decisions for the good of a player or two....he's responsible for the best interests of the MSJ TEAM.  Period.



I definitely can believe how the MSJ defense was caught off guard by the Franklin ground game...the aerial attack is what the Grizzlies are known for, like it or not.  I guarantee MSJ saw the tapes of the running attack on the also rans of this conference and were confident the defense would contain it.

I'm not sold on the run offense of Franklin...they've had one game against a probable playoff participant.  The rest of the schedule with the exception of MSJ is weak.  Half of the 158 yards on the ground against Wabash were on one play.  Its my opinoin that most of the stats you see in the rushing department come with the game in hand when they are trying to shorten the game....the "reputation", if you will of Franklin is that of a passing offense---ask the Wabash posters what they were most worried about going into the game this year. 

It looks like they will have a chance to reverse this should they stay committed to the run as they were yesterday....in the playoffs.  Remember, for all the 'great players' (and I'm not taking away from that) Leonard has recruited at Hanover and Franklin, they've yet to make a serious run in the playoffs....you need to run the ball.  Looks like they are on track for that....we'll see in week 12, I guess...but I remain skeptical. 

Its good to see the newcomers in here, hopefully you stick around like victorybell has. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 07:14:18 PM
Are you serious? I consider Ricky Story a good friend and a great runningback, but MSJ started Lovell over him because he quit on his team and then came back 2 weeks into summer camp. I know Rick had some personal issues going on, but the fact is, he quit on us and as a team, we agreed to bring him back. We didn't have to let him play a down in 2004 but we did.

To answer your statement that the MSJ O-line hasn't been that good, just some big egos and everyone on here is average at best. That's funny. I'll let the rushing stats from 2004 make my point about the o-line.  Mike averaged 6.1 per carry that year. No, we didn't open any holes at all. We had the 2 best O-lineman MSJ has ever had on that team in Tepee and Wergers.

Me, I was just average and though I d!ck around on here bragging from time to time, I recognize that I wasn't 'all that.' If you really knew me, you'd know I tried to get better all the time because I never thought I was good enough. Everyone can admit on here as well as in the community, I have always ackowledged Wergers and Tepee as being better than me. I have the All HCAC honors, but I never considered myself to be that good. When I brag, it's more or less me trying to be an a$$ and bust someone's balls for fun.

And I believe you were referencing myself in your 2nd to last sentence. I never had a losing record as a starter until I came to MSJ. I, along with guys like Schneider, Holzie, Tepee, and most importantly, Dorf took it upon ourselves to turn MSJ around. They wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without the commitment of those players and coaches like Hilvert, Sparhawk, Hill, and JPC.

Everything else...I agree with. It is embarrassing to give up 200+ on the ground. Does Hilvert leaving have something to do with MSJ's effectiveness on, D...probably, but players are players. You have to make plays. MSJ did not.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 14, 2007, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 12:19:38 AM

I also have a question for anyone who might want to answer. MSJ scores to make it a 28-19 game. Instead of kicking the extra point to make it 28-10 (and still a 1 posession game), Suriano elects to go for 2. The play fails and MSJ is left with a 28-19 deficit...a 2 posession game? Kick the extra point in my opinion. The 2 pt conversion at that point doesn't necessarily gain anything, yet if it is not made, loses everything. Sounds like a riverboat gamble that didn;t work out.

Perhaps someone was in the weight room instead of a lecture on probability in Statistics 101 class???  ;D 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 14, 2007, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 12:19:38 AM

I also have a question for anyone who might want to answer. MSJ scores to make it a 28-19 game. Instead of kicking the extra point to make it 28-10 (and still a 1 posession game), Suriano elects to go for 2. The play fails and MSJ is left with a 28-19 deficit...a 2 posession game? Kick the extra point in my opinion. The 2 pt conversion at that point doesn't necessarily gain anything, yet if it is not made, loses everything. Sounds like a riverboat gamble that didn;t work out.

Perhaps someone was in the weight room instead of a lecture on probability in Statistics 101 class???  ;D 

I know their kicker had missed an extra point earlier. I couldn't tell, but it looked like someone got a piece of it. I still think you have to trust your kicker in that situation.  Again, had MSj converted it, the thought probably wouldn't have ever entered my mind.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Also, the Delhi community as a whole lives and dies Elder Football...  I doubt they're embarrassed from yesterday.

Look at it like this, MSJ has had a set back and they now know what its going to take to beat Franklin to regain their spot back.  Its not like this game was a blowout....thats what the players build on.  They'll have to continue to play because you never know.  Injuries happen...season is long from over. 

I disagree about Hilvert's departure being in the works...I know for a fact he was loyal to the program.  The TMC job was his opportunity and too good to pass up...with everything going on in Crestview Hills now.  I do think this argument is going to come up again very soon on this conference board...regarding a different situation


the best offensive player is hands down Dietz.  No question. 

..off to Maloney's to do some post game interviewing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 08:24:59 PM
I think its official. Marvin Lewis has lost control of his team. Chad Johnson, as funny and good as he may be at times, is starting to show some past resemblences of Randy Moss and T.O. now that the Begnals are struggling. He showed up Marvin on the sideline and gave no type of effort on Carson's 2nd INT. It may not matter at this point, but I think Marvin would gain a lot of respect from players, media, and coaches, if he sits Chad for a game due to his behavior. Ocho Cinco is starting to become a team cancer.

On top of Chad, you have the Bengals committing unbelievably dumb penalties such as the roughing the passer in the 1st quarter and the running into the kicker. I honestly think the only team they can beat right now is the Rams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 08:26:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
..off to Maloney's to do some post game interviewing.


:D    :D    :D    :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 14, 2007, 08:28:42 PM
Sayer, I hear what your saying, and i'm sure alot of the players who came to MSJ, were from good programs, it is what, it is~ Secondly, Coach Hill(lol) I'm not upset about Hillvert leaving, it had been in the works for years that Coach Hillvert was leaving, just looking for the right chance! I believe in Coach Hubbie, and what he has done, but alot of players, who were not on that 10-0 squad, set the bar high for that 2004 team. If the 2002, and 2003, had some high power offense like we are seeing now from  MSJ, the mount would have won 5 str8 titles. the talent was there I just question the schemes, that was being developed! The Mount still has alot to look forward to this season, and alot of things needs to happen for them to make a run back to the Play-Offs. FC will need to slip against their next couple of conf games, and maybe the Mount can get back into the hunt, but thats a Big Maybe!!!  Coach Hillvert seems to have a young team down in KY, and maybe, just maybe the Bridge Bowl game will be a classic! but its too soon to talk about that. A question, if you were a coach, what would you take from a game like the one MSJ played against FC, how would you keep the players head up, knowing that they might be out the running for a Play-off spot, they get nothing for coming into seacond place! Just a Thought, and I will be here for awhile, I always come on here, and read the post on here. One More question, those who have played in the last couple of years, who was the best defensive/offensive player that you have seen come through the conf in a long time??? I think steele from anderson, dorf from msj, dietz hanover. The Bengals Defense stink, Marvin will be on the hot seat soon, because he has the talent on offense to be a good team, but if your defense can't stop anyone, then well you get the point! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2007, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 08:24:59 PM
I honestly think the only team they can beat right now is the Rams.

yeah....The BADIN Rams..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 14, 2007, 09:31:01 PM
Saints fan, please stop the whining, etc. MSJ who statistically has the best defense in the HCAC this year got ran over on their own field.  243 yards rushing on the road against a solid program is what it is.  Franklin rang up approx 500 yards on the road against 6-0 14th ranked Wabash and lost a close game by two points.  The rest of the games have been blow-outs.  In the last 2-3 season the Mount has won close games with FC.  This is Franklin's year.  Don't kid yourself about Leonard's recruiting either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 14, 2007, 09:50:11 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 12:19:38 AM
You ask why am I throwing in the towl. FC needs to lose 2 HCAC games to get bumped from the HCAC championship race. That isn't happeing.
This isn't entirely true.  There is a possible three-way tie scenario with Defiance, Franklin, and MSJ all with one loss.  Considering the ridiculous HCAC tiebreaking rules, the AQ will go to the team whose non-conference opponents have the best records.

Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2007, 12:19:38 AM
I also have a question for anyone who might want to answer. MSJ scores to make it a 28-19 game. Instead of kicking the extra point to make it 28-10 (and still a 1 posession game), Suriano elects to go for 2. The play fails and MSJ is left with a 28-19 deficit...a 2 posession game? Kick the extra point in my opinion. The 2 pt conversion at that point doesn't necessarily gain anything, yet if it is not made, loses everything. Sounds like a riverboat gamble that didn;t work out.
That is a matter of debate.  Some coaches will elect to go for 2 when down 9 because they figure that it lets them know whether they still need 2 possessions or 1 at that point.  Others will say that you kick the extra point to make sure it is still 1 possession at that point.  I tend to like the first philosophy if there is plenty of time for 2 possessions if you need them, but with 4:06 left it is debatable that you could get the ball back twice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 08:27:54 AM
It's very debatedable that you can get the ball back 2 times, especially with the way FC was moving it. Again, its one of those things that had he made it, the thought probably wouldn't have entered my mind. As a coach, you can't live by the book of rules all the time. You have to take chances. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.

I could be wrong, but I think the HCAC follows the Big 10 rules. If there is a 3-way tie, I think the school who has the longest drought, gets the nod for the automatic bid. Defiance won the HCAC in 2001, MSJ the last 3 years, and FC hasn't won it.  Your non conference w-l may come first, I haven't looked at the scenarios in a while.

To answer your question about motivation, MSJ can still be 9-1, can still finish with a share of the HCAC, and though very slim, can still get an at-large. You have to play for it. They were faced with the same situation in 2005 after losing to Hanover. The season isn't over and you still have the TMC game. Which right now, if both teams came in 0-9, would be the biggest D3 game that week due to the situation.

I stand corrected. Guys like Pat McAtee, Big E, Mike Dane, and some others were also responsible for our success in 2004. They came in at the same time as I (redshirted my freshman year) and had the balls to stick around through some tough times. I apologize for not recognizing them. Had they not stuck around, MSJ would also be stuck in a losing spiral still.

I believe the best player is Andy Wellendorf. Steele, Dietz have their awards and numbers, but Dorf is the best player in MSJ history. You can make arguments for some others, but he single handily won us 5-6 games throughout his career. He was never blessed with a great QB. Mike Dane was good and could manage a game, but I wouldn't call him great. Had he a Dietz, Steele, or even Rupp (presently) he would have set D3 on fire. It is a shame he was never an All American. He put up insane numbers with really, no help.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 15, 2007, 08:39:20 AM
congratulations to Franklin
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2007, 08:43:23 AM
fc alum,

OK, re-read what I wrote...there's no whinning AND I'm definitely not a MSJ fan...I just happen to know a bit about the school from Sayer and others.   Also about Leonards recruiting....REREAD what I've written...I never cut on his recruiting.   I cut on his teams' (ie Hanover and Franklin) not making serious runs in the playoffs.  Its a FACT.  A few of the Hanover guys I know will tell you the same thing.  

The blowouts are something that should alarm you as MSJ had those same blowouts last year....I brought them up because you naturally pad your rushing stats...by trying to shorten the game.  Its not going to help Franklin..

Now lets look at something you said...which tells me you don't pay that close attention to the program or you are just simply an embellisher.....you said that for the last 2-3 seasons (before this one) that Mount St. Joe won close games with Franklin.....but in 2005 they beat Franklin 41-20.  

You are new to the board, and thus far it appears only here because of the win on Saturday over MSJ and you are trying to call people out.  You won't last long at the rate you're going....ask victorybell who's been here the whole time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 15, 2007, 09:00:17 AM
Here is the HCAC Tie-Breaker scenario:

1. Which team won in their head to head competition?

2. How the tied teams fared against next team in conference standings.  Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken.

3. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you defeated.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

4. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you lost to.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

5. Total winning percentage by non-conference opponents.

6. The team which has not gone to the NCAA Football Playoffs for the longest period of time (Big 10 Rose Bowl Rule).

7. Rankings from the AFCA Division III National Poll.

8. Blind Draw.  One lot shall be marked AQ and all others will be blank.  The draw will be conducted by the conference Commissioner and SID at the Heartland Conference Office.  The draw will be made in alphabetical order of the tied schools.  A coach or representative from each school involved may attend the drawing.

Congrats to Franklin on their big win.

In regards to Coach Leonard's recruiting he does do a great job, but you also have to give a lot of the credit to Coach Theobald too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 09:10:41 AM
So it's the scenario, right before the BIG 10 rule.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 15, 2007, 10:26:10 AM
I believe that is the one that Altor was talking about, I was just posting the scenarios that the HCAC uses.

Personally I would think that a tie would be broken by rules #3 or #4 before it got down to either one of those two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 11:03:23 AM
Regardless, FC has to lose twice. If there is a 3-way tie, and the 3 teams beat each other (ie FC, MSJ, and DC are all 6-1 in HCAC play), #1-4 can't apply. FC has the edge in #5 because of the Wabash game and #6 because they have yet to win a HCAC championship.

MSJ has to win out and win out impressively. It helps MSJ in a small way that even though FC lost, they played Wabash tough. The odds are against them but for MSJ to have a chance, we're talking about blowouts the rest of the way to show they can at least compete as a 7 or 8 in the playoffs. The difference maker may come down to the TMC game. (THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION) but with the situation The Bridge Bowl is in, and the emotion level of the game, IF MSJ was to win big, such as 35-7, or 42-10, That may be enough to help them out. It's all speculation.

Personally, I think FC got screwed last year at 9-1, with a big win against Wabash to add to their resume, but MSJ getting smoked in the playoffs again, didn't help a 9-1 HCAC runner up's cause.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2007, 11:12:33 AM
wow, Adam.  My "bold" letter-reading part of my computer is broken....

but did you just say it will be a bloodbath in the Bridge Bowl??   ;D


In my very humble opinoin, any Lion win over the Saints would be good....BUT how good is going to be defined by how they finish in the PAC....most notably against W&J...who is a lock at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 15, 2007, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 15, 2007, 10:26:10 AM
Personally I would think that a tie would be broken by rules #3 or #4 before it got down to either one of those two.
And that is part of the ridiculousness to which I was referring.  Rules #3 and #4 will never break a tie in this conference as long the overtime rules stay the same and they play a complete round-robin.  If the teams are still tied after Rule #2, it means the tied teams defeated and lost to the same schools.  That means that Rule #3 is worthless, because the wins for the schools they defeated will also be the same.  Same thing for Rule #4, they lost to the same schools, so the wins for those teams will be the same.  It is an absolutely ridiculous set of rules.

The ridiculousness of Rule #5 is in the fact that it is total winning percentage of non-conference opponents.  Note that you don't have to beat the opponents, or even make it close.  You just have to play them.  It is possible for a team to schedule three 10-0 teams and get beat by a total of 150 points, but they win this tiebreaker over a team that lost close games to two 10-0 teams and beat to a 9-1 team.  Also, the way it is written on the website, it also leads to possible scenarios where MSJ might wish to lose the Bridge Bowl because it increases TMC's winning percentage.

I wrote an e-mail to the address at the bottom of the HCAC webpage back in 2000 or 2001 in which I tried to explain all this.  I didn't even get auto-generated reply that they received my e-mail or a courtesy response of "thank you for the input."  They just ignored me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2007, 11:12:33 AM
wow, Adam.  My "bold" letter-reading part of my computer is broken....

but did you just say it will be a bloodbath in the Bridge Bowl??   ;D

Always trying to stir the pot.

Fight the team across the field, show them Ohio's here. Set the Earth reberverating with a mighty cheer. Ra, Ra, Ra. Hit them hard and see how they fall, never let that team get the ball. Hail, Hail the gang's all here so lets win that Ol' Conference now!

GO BUCKS....#1 AGAIN!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 15, 2007, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 11:03:23 AM
FC has the edge in #5 because of the Wabash game
FC has an edge, but it is not out of reach.

FC's opponents are 12-6
DC's opponents are 11-7
MSJ's opponents are 9-9
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 15, 2007, 01:10:22 PM
I agree with Mr. Sayer and what happened to Franklin last year (i.e. missing the playoffs).  But according to this website the HCAC is 1-8 in the playoffs since 1999 which essentially says the second best team in the HCAC would not be competitive in the playofss, so reputation of the conference is not good.  In a normal year on 2-3 teams in the conference are really any good.  FC, MSJ and Defiance being those teams this year.

The odds the FC trips up at home against Defiance and loses on the road to RH and HC are not that good.  Defiance will most likely lose to MSJ IMO.

The HCAC needs to start playing tougher non conference opponents and winning regularly will be a start so that they get a better seed.  Playing a Mt Union right off the bat in the playoffs will almost always result in a loss.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 01:14:09 PM
The rules obviously try to distinguish between 2 teams. The website isn't going to prepare a scenario for 3 way ties, and 4 way ties, etc. I think they just believe we're smart enough to realize that if there is a 3-way tie, you have to skip down to scenario #5.

You do bring up an intresting point about losing to increase TMC's percentages. Think about the Moral debate of the coach and conference if something was ever to happen where a team was faced with the situation of lose the last game to go. Especially playing a rival. You always play to win, but in D3, the ultimate goal for all teams is to win the conference. Hmmm. ***I think the HCAC put that scenario in place more or less to encourage teams to play tougher competition.***

In my opinion, there is no "best" way to get the automatic team in a 3-way tie. I like a random number draw. You take all the human elements away and every team has an equal shot. It's a matter of luck.

Mr. Sayer...I feel important :) Adam is fine.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2007, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: altor on October 15, 2007, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 15, 2007, 10:26:10 AM
Personally I would think that a tie would be broken by rules #3 or #4 before it got down to either one of those two.
And that is part of the ridiculousness to which I was referring.  Rules #3 and #4 will never break a tie in this conference as long the overtime rules stay the same and they play a complete round-robin.  If the teams are still tied after Rule #2, it means the tied teams defeated and lost to the same schools.  That means that Rule #3 is worthless, because the wins for the schools they defeated will also be the same.  Same thing for Rule #4, they lost to the same schools, so the wins for those teams will be the same.  It is an absolutely ridiculous set of rules.

You're only thinking in terms of a 3-way, one-loss each, tie.  A 3-way tie with each team having two losses (which has occurred in the CCIW more than once) would make these rules relevant.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 15, 2007, 01:20:03 PM
Franklin isn't likely to lose twice.  That being said, Rose Hulman could be a "trap" game.  FC has fought the wars last season and this season with teams like Wabash and MSJ.  Not likely they will lay down.  Rose is a respectable team and they will certainly be jacked up.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2007, 01:22:06 PM
Adam, the rules ARE designed for 3-way ties.  Since tie games can no longer occur, rule one would ALWAYS be enough for a 2-way tie.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2007, 02:01:57 PM
Adam,

I believe Ohio State will also catch the "upset epidemic" going around.  It would be good to see them go undefeated, but I have to believe they'll get biten once this year....probably Michigan, maybe Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2007, 03:57:57 PM
I don't think MSJ will be able to obtain an at large bid if Franklin was unable last year.  I do wonder though if Franklin would have if MSJ went 10-0?  Anyways it would be great to see two HCAC teams get in but as was mentioned earlier, our conf., hasn't earned the respect yet.
Anyways, DC will run the table & represent the HCAC!!!! ;D Go Jackets
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2007, 04:00:48 PM
Oh yeah, OSU plays a sorry nonconf. schedule & will lose to Michigan, finally, & somehow in my worst dreams they'll bring back Lyodd Carr for another year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 15, 2007, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2007, 01:19:34 PM
You're only thinking in terms of a 3-way, one-loss each, tie.  A 3-way tie with each team having two losses (which has occurred in the CCIW more than once) would make these rules relevant.
Not at all.  There is no situation that Rules 3 & 4 would break that rules 1 & 2 would not.
In the case of a 3-way tie with 2 losses, there are two scenarios:
1.  One team beat both, and lost two other games.  They win based on Rule #1, head-to-head.
2.  The three teams split like they would in a 1-loss scenario, but they all lost 1 other game along the way as well.  In this scenario, move on to rule #2.  Go down the conference list, comparing wins and losses.  If you find a time when 1 team one and the others lost, congratulations, we have an AQ.  If not, it mean they all had the same results against the same teams.  This makes Rules #3 completely moot, because the teams that each of them beat will be the exact same teams, and thus will have the exact same records.  Similarly with Rule #4, since they all lost to the exact same teams, those teams will have the exact same records.

I can only think that these rules were first developed when ties were still a possible outcome, since I cannot find a time when the ICAC or HCAC didn't play a complete round robin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 15, 2007, 05:49:54 PM
I saw a couple of things that caught my eye.

First,
Someone was talking about MSJ having to win big in the Bridge Bowl.  I think you have to wonder if the Mount will win at all.  That has always been a big game when you throw the records out the window and I believe that TMC might have a better team and coach.  It was better for TMC to get into the PAC instead of the HCAC.  Just by having W&J you play a team every year that is in the upper tier of D3 football.  That conference is a better conference then the HCAC and prepares you better for the playoffs.

Second,
No one is talking about OSU having to go to Penn State.  If the game was in Columbus I wouldn't say anything but since PSU is at home they have a chance to upset OSU.  They completely dismantled Wisconsin.  Wisconsin  was never in that game on Saturday.

Franklin will run the table and so will MSJ but their is not way they make the playoffs.  I would give two teams in the OAC at large berths before the second place team in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: altor on October 15, 2007, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2007, 01:19:34 PM
You're only thinking in terms of a 3-way, one-loss each, tie.  A 3-way tie with each team having two losses (which has occurred in the CCIW more than once) would make these rules relevant.
Not at all.  There is no situation that Rules 3 & 4 would break that rules 1 & 2 would not.
In the case of a 3-way tie with 2 losses, there are two scenarios:
1.  One team beat both, and lost two other games.  They win based on Rule #1, head-to-head.
2.  The three teams split like they would in a 1-loss scenario, but they all lost 1 other game along the way as well.  In this scenario, move on to rule #2.  Go down the conference list, comparing wins and losses.  If you find a time when 1 team one and the others lost, congratulations, we have an AQ.  If not, it mean they all had the same results against the same teams.  This makes Rules #3 completely moot, because the teams that each of them beat will be the exact same teams, and thus will have the exact same records.  Similarly with Rule #4, since they all lost to the exact same teams, those teams will have the exact same records.

I can only think that these rules were first developed when ties were still a possible outcome, since I cannot find a time when the ICAC or HCAC didn't play a complete round robin.

Or, altor, they are tiebreakers used for all of the conference's sports, which is a common occurrence.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2007, 07:27:29 PM
I think DC does have a shot at Franklin & MSJ, but as I mentioned before, DC needs to handle Hanover first.  I do think Franklin & MSJ are very good teams, but I'm not letting DC slide out of the picture yet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2007, 07:55:35 PM
nittanybacker,

re:  Penn St/Ohio St

I agree....but it all comes down to the QB for Penn St...Ohio St will stop the run. 

re:  TMC/Bridge Bowl

We'll see who the better coach and team is. . . I think MSJ will be VERY motivated.  Now I'm not picking them to win, but I think its going to be a "MUST SEE" for this area's college football.  The atmosphere should be electric.  I do agree the PAC is VERY tough. . . especially with Geneva in the conference now (who play the Saints saturday).  I definitely like the direction this team is headed in. . .they are very young, but talented.  They are going through their growing pains now. . .and I think they'll be clicking heading into their two "playoff games". . .that are W&J and MSJ.

Another team to think about is Case Western Reserve should they finish 10-0. . . much like Carnegie Mellon last year, they'll be in at 10-0.  I've seen one's prediction of Franklin playing Capital (2nd place in OAC). . . at least its not Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 08:23:49 PM
Here is the deal with the Big 10...IT STINKS, the end. Penn State's offense has shown up for 1 game this year aganst a team who was half-way decent and that was Wisconsin. For Penn State to win, they will have to score another 27 points and even in Happy Valley, that isn't happening against OSU's defense. It will be close, but I see a 20-10 OSU victory. OSU has the best chance to go undefeated of the unbeatens. The Big 10 is THAT bad.

Dog OSU's schedule this year but the fact is, they can't help their conference schedule, and other than this year, they make it a point to schedule a tough non conference game. Texas in 2005/2006, USC in 2008/2009, Miami (FL) in 2010/2011, and Cal in 2012/2013.

Who knows, with the way teams are going, Ohio State could be the best team. Oklahoma lost to Colorado, Cal lost to Oregon State, LSU lost to Kentucky, who up to this point had only 1 win against decent competition, a 4-3 louisville team who beat UC but lost to Syracuse. USC lost to Stanford, but also has 2 other close games, Boston College is 7-0, but has close wins against Notre Dame and UMASS...not exactly quality competition.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 15, 2007, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: altor on October 15, 2007, 05:49:47 PM
I can only think that these rules were first developed when ties were still a possible outcome, since I cannot find a time when the ICAC or HCAC didn't play a complete round robin.
I got to thinking later...the AQ has been a fairly recent thing (1999?) and the overtime rules were developed shortly before that (1996?).  So even this isn't a good reason for why the rules are the way they are.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 07:12:56 PM
Or, altor, they are tiebreakers used for all of the conference's sports, which is a common occurrence.
A good thought, but not the case.  Football is the only HCAC team sport where the AQ is not determined by a post-season tournament.  Also, to make things even sillier, the tie-breaking rules for seeding the Women's Basketball Tournament (http://www.heartlandconf.org/w_basketball/wbb_tiebreaker.htm) are different from those for the Men's Basketball Tournament (http://www.heartlandconf.org/m_basketball/mbb_tiebreaker.htm).

OK, I'm done ranting now.  Let's get back to analyzing real football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 15, 2007, 08:38:58 PM
Do you think MSJ will be motivated for the rest of the season?  I think that it is very hard to motivate players in the program that the only way to judge if you are successful is if you go to the playoffs.  I think that it is going to be a tall order for Hubie to keep the team focus. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2007, 08:54:20 PM
It won't be hard. The reality is their only shot at a playoff spot is to win out plus you have the TMC game...which may be enough to motivate both teams from here on out...even though we all know you're supposed to "take it one game at a time."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 15, 2007, 09:23:37 PM
And a 2nd qualifier is not as out-of-the-question as some will have you believe.  As much as people throw it around this forum, "past performance by the conference in the tournament" is not in the selection/seeding criteria.

As much as it seems like it, Franklin got the short end last year based on other things besides the HCAC's performance in past tournaments.  It's not like they were passed up for an 8-2 team somewhere.  Two 9-1 teams had to stay home.  Unfortunately, Franklin was one of them and not necessarily because of anything they could help.

If Wabash beats Witt in week 7 instead of losing by 2, Franklin has now beaten a conference champion and probably gets the nod.  Bethel upset St. John's in week 11, essentially stealing a Pool C bid for the MIAC.  MSJ didn't help things either.  If they win over TMC, they probably play a home game in week 12 as well as making Franklin's only loss to a team that went 10-0.

All that said, everybody in the HCAC should root for Hope and Olivet (and Alma...Alma would be good) in the MIAA so that whatever team(s) represent this conference in the tournament don't have to make the dreaded trip to Alliance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 16, 2007, 09:56:38 AM
I have been reading some comments about the previous HC runs in the playoffs not being so successful. Let's look at their history there, shall we.

One run against Mt. Union, not a good draw and was handled easily. No excuses, just got outplayed. Beat a team from Michigan for their only playoff win when Leonard was there. Aside from that, I have heard from some HC supporters that the problem was not from the Leonard offense, it was from stopping other teams. Scoring 30+ points in a playoff game should be enough to win, in most cases. Even after Leonard left HC, they still made the playoffs, only to lose a wild shootout. I think Deitz threw for an obscene amount of yards and scored a bundle of points, only to lose again. It's hard to blame Peebles for that loss either.

This is just my opinion, but I think they could have done better in the playoffs if they could have stopped some people. I am sure this goes with most teams though. You have to score, and stop people.

I really thought MSJ would have made a run the past few years in the playoffs with their D, but that's neither here nor there now.

Good luck to FC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 16, 2007, 10:11:00 AM
I believe this is a scenario where rule #3 would decide the conference championship.

Go back to the 2005 season and change the outcome of one game, if Franklin would have beaten MSJ there would have been a three way tie with records of 4-2. Below would have been the conference standings:

MSJ       4 – 2, Wins Manchester, Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson – Losses Franklin, Hanover
Defiance      4 – 2, Wins Anderson, Hanover, Franklin, Bluffton – Losses MSJ, Manchester
Franklin       4 – 2, Wins MSJ, Manchester, Bluffton, Hanover – Losses Defiance, Anderson
Hanover      3 – 3, Wins Anderson, MSJ, Manchester – Losses Defiance, Franklin, Bluffton
Anderson    3 – 3, Wins Franklin, Bluffton, Manchester – Losses MSJ, Defiance, Hanover
Bluffton       2 – 4, Wins Manchester, Hanover – Losses MSJ, Franklin, Defiance, Anderson
Manchester 1 – 5, Wins Defiance – Losses MSJ, Franklin, Hanover, Anderson, Bluffton

Tiebreaker #1 – Still tie MSJ beat Defiance, Defiance beat Franklin, Franklin beat MSJ on to
                          Tiebreaker #2.
Tiebreaker #2 – How the tied teams fared against next team in conference standings. Since
                          Hanover and Anderson both are 3 – 3, I am assuming that you would use
                          tiebreaker #1 to decide the fourth place team which would be Hanover for
                          beating Anderson. Both Franklin and Defiance beat Hanover and MSJ lost to
                          Hanover. That would Knock MSJ out of consideration, on to Tiebreaker #3.
Tiebreaker #3 – Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you defeated.
                          Defiance would be conference champions with 12 wins to Franklin's 10.

One more scenario.

Same 2005 season and change the outcome of two games, if Franklin would have beaten MSJ and Hanover would have beaten Franklin there would have been a three way tie with records of 4-2. Below would have been the conference standings:

MSJ       4 – 2, Wins Manchester, Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson – Losses Franklin, Hanover
Defiance      4 – 2, Wins Anderson, Hanover, Franklin, Bluffton – Losses MSJ, Manchester
Hanover      4 – 2, Wins Anderson, MSJ, Manchester, Franklin – Losses Defiance, Bluffton
Anderson    3 – 3, Wins Franklin, Bluffton, Manchester – Losses MSJ, Defiance, Hanover
Franklin       3 – 3, Wins MSJ, Manchester, Bluffton, – Losses Defiance, Anderson, Hanover
Bluffton       2 – 4, Wins Manchester, Hanover – Losses MSJ, Franklin, Defiance, Anderson
Manchester 1 – 5, Wins Defiance – Losses MSJ, Franklin, Hanover, Anderson, Bluffton

Tiebreaker #1 – Still tie MSJ beat Defiance, Defiance beat Franklin, Hanover beat MSJ on to
                          Tiebreaker #2.
Tiebreaker #2 – How the tied teams fared against next team in conference standings. Since
                          Franklin and Anderson both are 3 – 3, I am assuming that you would use
                          tiebreaker #1 to decide the fourth place team which would be Anderson for
                          beating Franklin. All three teams beat Anderson on to Tiebreaker #3.
Tiebreaker #3 – Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you defeated.
                          Defiance would be conference champions with 12 wins to Hanover's 11 and
                          MSJ's 10.

Sorry for the long post but I just thought that something similar to this happened in the past for the rules to be put in there. It is also possible that I interpeted the rules wrong which I have done in the past.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 16, 2007, 10:16:55 AM
victory,

you have to run the ball in the playoffs to keep the defense fresh and ready to make plays.  I'm not blaming the offense, but you have to admit that the playoff games come down to who can run and the ball and play good defense. 

Thats why you rarely see spread teams in the Stagg Bowl..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 16, 2007, 10:39:42 AM
Regardless who gets in the playoffs it will be hard to even get a high seed in our region.  Our region is loaded w/ teams: Mount, Capital, Wheaton, Wabash, and so on.  Though I still think any of our top teams can run w/ some of those previously mentioned, but whom ever would have to play the perfect game where everything goes their way. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 16, 2007, 11:26:42 AM
has_been,

Though I normally agree, its my opinoin that Capital and MUC are on a different level than most of D3, not just the HCAC. . . I also believe that Franklin can compete with Wabash (we've seen this already) and also Wheaton (this year because of their injury problems)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 16, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
UNREAL!!!

after beating Mount St. Joe ON THE ROAD, Franklin is still not better than MSJ according to the AFCA.

Boys this just goes to show you to disregard that poll (I know MSJ uses it on their website) and only go by D3.com's poll. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 16, 2007, 12:35:32 PM
Have to agree with you there. At least they increased their points from 7 last week to 22.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 16, 2007, 12:46:39 PM
No one's complaining that LSU is still ranked ahead of Kentucky? That's the way it works in polls and it happens all the time. In the D3football poll, MSJ and FC were closer than they were in the AFCA. In the AFCA, MSJ was ranked, whereas FC was at the bottom end of the 'others.'

It won't matter at the end of the year as long as FC keeps winning. I think MSJ is going to have their fair share of close-calls (i.e. November 10).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 16, 2007, 02:01:23 PM
KYGrizzly:
You missed the second sentence of Rule #2:  "Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken."  In your first scenario, you continue on to games against Anderson (then Bluffton, then Manchester, if needed) before moving on to #3.  Defiance beat Anderson, Franklin lost.  In your second scenario, after checking results against Anderson, you move on to Franklin (then Bluffton, then Machester).

I know I said I was done ranting, but you bring up two more things (1 directly, 1 indirectly).  First, do you break ties at lower places first?  Second, when one team is eliminated in a multi-team tie, do you move on to the next rule or start over with #1?  The Men's Basketball tiebreaking rules address these things.  The Football tiebreakers do not (at least, not as published on the website).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 16, 2007, 02:12:56 PM
Hate to break up the "best of times/worst of times" scenarios of the Grizzly and Lion posters, but some caution needs to exercised here.  There's still a snake in the HCAC woodpile capable of biting either team.

Granted, DC doesn't have the D studs from the past couple of years, but Vetter seems to have discovered a groove (finally), the receivers are top-notch, and suddenly Thornton has emerged as a running back.  Just don't want to see anyone looking ahead, ala Manchester or Wooster (almost) last weekend.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 16, 2007, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: altor on October 16, 2007, 02:01:23 PM
KYGrizzly:
You missed the second sentence of Rule #2:  "Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken."  In your first scenario, you continue on to games against Anderson (then Bluffton, then Manchester, if needed) before moving on to #3.  Defiance beat Anderson, Franklin lost.  In your second scenario, after checking results against Anderson, you move on to Franklin (then Bluffton, then Machester).

Like I said I may have interpreted the rules wrong like in the past. Well, actually it was more not reading the whole rule, similar to what I do when listening to my wife.   :-[

I know I said I was done ranting, but you bring up two more things (1 directly, 1 indirectly).  First, do you break ties at lower places first?  Second, when one team is eliminated in a multi-team tie, do you move on to the next rule or start over with #1?  The Men's Basketball tiebreaking rules address these things.  The Football tiebreakers do not (at least, not as published on the website).
I had a feeling these questions were going to be brought up.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 16, 2007, 02:43:32 PM
SOP in most conferences is that once a team (in a 3-way tie) is eliminated, the tie-breaking process reverts to #1 - head-to-head of the two remaining.  Whether or not this is the procedure in the HCAC, I don't know.  But if this SOP is followed, I will now yield to altor that #3 and #4 are irrelevant.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 16, 2007, 02:45:31 PM
speaking of polls...2 weeks ago Tennesee destroys Georgia yet Georgia is ranked 24th and Tenessee is ranked 25th last week.  i agree at times it is correct to have 1 team who lost ranked above the team that beat them LSU/KY, but not back to back in the rankings
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 16, 2007, 11:19:50 PM
Nice plug again for the HCAC in the around the region column about Franklin & Luke Dillon of DC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 18, 2007, 12:12:49 AM
Congratulations, we successfully went 24 hours without a post.  I'll get the discussion started for this weekend's games.

I really overestimated Manchester and Rose last week and really underestimated Hanover and Bluffton.  Then, with MSJ and Franklin coming off a big game, it's always hard to figure out whether teams will use the previous week as a reason to "get up" this week.  Or will they dwell on it and come out flat?  This kinda goes for both the winner and loser of a big game like that.

I think all four games this week have the potential to come down to the wire, though the favorites are obvious in three of them. 

Defiance by 14 at home over Hanover.
MSJ travels to Manchester and wins by 17.
Franklin travels to Rose-Hulman and leaves with a 13 point win.
Bluffton finally gets the monkey off their back and beats Anderson at home by 3.

Unfortunately, I will not be near a computer or Internet connection during game time on Saturday, so no score updates from me.  If I'm lucky, I might be able to turn on the radio occasionally to get a DC score.  I will try to compile stats later in the evening, similar to what I did last week, at least until people tell me to knock it off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 18, 2007, 12:31:22 PM
I think MSJ will win by 21 or more. I'm leaning towards the more. This isn't like they have been 10-0 every season from 2004 till now. They've had loses during the year and know how to bounce back. Plus, I think the realization that 9-1 is a must for any type of chance, has fully settled. I think MSJ will win 42-17.

I will say this. RHIT played MSJ tougher in the first half than FC did. MSJ was lucky to lead 21-20 and not be down 20-0. The second half was a different issue. If RHIT can put together 2 halves of a football game here, and FC is looking ahead, FC will lose. I'm not really counting on it though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2007, 02:26:10 PM
who is RHIT?  (PAUSE) I don't believe you.  And how the hell did they get on our league schedule?  Forget the game of pool, the 8-ball is nowhere in sight this shot. . .Does Rupp still want a day off?

Sincerely,


Mike Leonard
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 18, 2007, 02:40:05 PM
If I were a beaten man I take all three team to cover and then some
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2007, 04:16:49 PM
How many losses do you need to be a beaten man?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 18, 2007, 06:23:13 PM
that was a funny comment, but i am positive leonard respects all of his opponents. for sure they'll be ready.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 18, 2007, 09:16:14 PM
you all think I'm kiddin.

I will be attending my first real game at The Horseshoe on Saturday. I've worked concessions, went to the spring game, but I have never sat in the stands for a real game. Shocking I know.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 18, 2007, 10:14:54 PM
I agree with Bob. Though I find the taste of humble pie unpleasant, even when served with liberal amounts of ice cream, I think the sleeper and possible spoiler for Franklin could end up being Defiance. I will be the first to admit that I predicted a dismal season for DC based on what I saw in the first couple of games and what appeared to me to be a lackluster attitude and an absence of cohesion and purpose on the team. That picture has changed in recent weeks. Coach Taylor has done a great job of pulling them together and I commend him for it. If Vetter continues perform in the groove he's apparently at long last found, this team is going to feed off the excitement and enthusiasm being generated by Lucas Dillon, who is, in my opinion, perhaps an even better wide receiver than Andy Wellendorf (Sorry, Adam). Dillon's weekly performance is going to embolden fellow wideouts Gary Allen and Nate Fitton and make them more formidable. The explosive emergence of David Thornton, the freshman running back, has rounded out this Yellow Jacket offense and, for the first time in how many years, it's finally three-dimensional. Vetter has to stay on task for this formula to continue to gain momentum, but if he does, there might be no stopping DC's offense. I don't think MSJ has the horsepower on D to do it this year and I'm not confident that Franklin does either.

DC's defense is going to have to step it up and stop giving up the big plays. That's where Franklin has the ability to wax them. It's going to be very hard to run against DC's defense but if they can't stop Rupp, they're done. Can Rupp be stopped? Good question. No one has so far. DC gave up 30-plus to RHIT. If they play that kind of game defensively against Franklin, they'll get scorched. I don't think the Jackets can win an offensive shootout with Franklin. They're going to have to come in with an amped up defense. If they do, they can win.

I certainly don't think MSJ is in decline, but it may be the shine is off them this year, particularly if they let the loss to Franklin get in their heads. On the other hand, they could turn a loss to Franklin into a renewed sense of purpose against DC. They're still dangerous.

At this point, I still think the balance for the conference championship is still tipped in favor of Franklin but depending on what happens in the next week or two, that could change.

But first, Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2007, 07:52:24 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 18, 2007, 09:16:14 PM
you all think I'm kiddin.

I will be attending my first real game at The Horseshoe on Saturday. I've worked concessions, went to the spring game, but I have never sat in the stands for a real game. Shocking I know.



Christ Adam, so I'm a bigger Ohio State fan than you are (based on number of times viewing a game in the shoe)??

Seriously, I just found a couple buckeye necklaces if you want to stop by and pick them up tonight.  I'm just going to need about 20 minutes notice before you stop by. 


By the way, Thomas More has a TOUGH game tomorrow against Geneva.  They, as you may or may not know, still have players left over from being an NAIA scholly operation.  They played W&J tough and looks to be a hard hitting game.  I'm curious to see how our young guys will respond.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2007, 10:02:19 AM
SaintsFAN:

BTW, speaking of Geneva, why do you think they decided to go DIII?  Is it because it allowed them to decrease their costs of the program by eliminating scholarships (and also perhaps travel expenses)??  Them coming in, though, seems to be a great situation for their school and other regional DIII schools.  Just curious as to if you know and/or your general thoughts anyway.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 19, 2007, 10:22:56 AM
The only time I had been to the Horseshoe was for a State Track finals.  That was enough for me I had to take a shower to clean the filth off of me.  That was before they renovated it and it did look like it was going to fall down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 19, 2007, 10:40:55 AM
My Predictions for the weekend;

Hanover 14 Defiance 31

MSJ 35 Manchester United 21
*This might be closer because you can't get a good night sleep at the Wabash INN.  Hubie should be glad that Indiana is on the sametime as us so he doesn't show up to the field 4 hours before kick off like he did one year.

Anderson 21 Bluffton 7

Franklin 21 Rose Holman 24
*Franklin went to a pool hall this week instead of the practice field. 

TMC 28 Geneva 21
*Geneva is a great program but I think Hilvert will have them ready and it is at home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 19, 2007, 02:19:13 PM
Last time I was in Manchester, I heard the worst attempt at the national anthem. God awful.

I know, but I've always been porr and getting a ticket to an OSU game is tough financially. There will be a time when me and my little boys have season tickets. Now, I settle for what I can get and driving home from a buddy's house isn't as frustrating.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 19, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
last time i was at Manchester they spent the whole pregame blasting Pantera and White Zombie during the pregame, actually pretty cool.  not sure if they every played a national anthem.  i thought the stands were going to fall down of course this was 10 years ago...crap i am getting old.  Not JacketsFan old but still
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 19, 2007, 03:23:53 PM
i can see how blaring pantera instead of the national anthem would be cool, well unless one of the crazed pantera fans shows up to kill dime bag dillon.

leonard will have the team focused this week, it's what he does.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 19, 2007, 03:43:44 PM
i am sure they played the national anthem but i was too jacked to tell!!!

i almost went to the show in C-bus when dimebag got shot.  new a bunch of guys who were at the front of the stage and got sprayed with blood.  1 is a cop in the Dayton suburbs and tried to get on stage until the guy point the shotgun at him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 19, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
that would seriously freak me out if i was there. wow, i can't imagine seeing that. you already know you are going to a rough and tough concert, without a maniac shooting people. all i can say is wow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 19, 2007, 05:09:39 PM
Maybe if he was 8-ball Darrell he would have been alright. The UFC fight is in Cincy tomorrow and the Ol Lady said all the fighters were walking around the Westin Hotel lobby. They all have the cauliflower ear (badge of honor for any wrestler). Cincinnati is starting to get big into the UFC with Rich Franklin and Matt Hammil. There are quite a few MSJ football players and wrestlers who have started training for this since they have been out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 19, 2007, 11:35:14 PM
Ain't none of y'all little twerps JacketsFan old, Ben. Ain't none of y'all jacketsFan tough, either. I got lumps in my shyte harder than you sissies. I'm thinking about joining the local rugby team just for suicidal kicks, seeing how Ms JacketsFan has threatened to  take all my toys away and coerce my sons into having me involuntarily committed if I make good on my threat to go back to college and try out for D3 football somewhere. Hell, I'm five years younger than that old fart of a linebacker at Sul Ross. I've got her convinced that rugby's like touch football. C'mon down and let's play, Bob. Jacksonville has a pretty good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 20, 2007, 12:53:10 AM
Don't tease me like this, Joe.  Haven't had a good ruck and head crack since the alumni match @ CMU on Labor Day.  Throw in a little water time, and you've a deal - got a virginal 10 wt that needs exorcized before chasing roosters off Baja come May.  Giving up toys is never a viable option when Plavix, Crestor, and Nitro are considered a basic food group.  8)

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Ain't none of y'all little twerps JacketsFan old, Ben.

except for that psycho, loosehead prop in Atlanta... ;)



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 20, 2007, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 19, 2007, 11:35:14 PM
Ain't none of y'all little twerps JacketsFan old, Ben. Ain't none of y'all jacketsFan tough, either.

JacketsFan is starting to show the early signs of elderly dementia. I bet you walked to school in 4 feet of snow, up hill both ways too :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 20, 2007, 10:29:51 AM
Damn straight, junior. And I was grateful for it, too. It was so cold we carried hard boiled eggs in our pockets to keep our hands warm because we were too poor to afford gloves. The ground was frozen so hard that the rough spots cut our feet through our boots. You could spit and put someone's eye out because it was so cold your spit would freeze in midair. Fart and it would break up and clatter to the ground in big, nasty smelling chunks like turds. Or maybe they were turds. I'm so old I can't recall.

DC will put 40 on Hanover today. RHIT and Franklin will go toe to toe and Franklin will win but not by a lot. Everyone else will either win or lose, depending.

Me? I'm going fishing.

Ben, only real men eat Plavix, Crestor and nitroglycerine for breakfast.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 20, 2007, 02:00:44 PM
Here are live game stats for the FC RHIT game.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/live/football/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 20, 2007, 04:34:21 PM
Franklin shows no let down after last weeks big win FC 56 RHIT 26. Rupp goes 25/32 for 399!!

GO Grizz!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2007, 07:48:40 PM
Total yards: DC 551 HC 154.  I know it was only Hanover, but I think DC has thing rolling rolling right now & I'm looking forward to the showdown between them & MSJ.  Could be an excellent game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 20, 2007, 08:53:45 PM
Some Offensive stats from Week 8...
Rushing     Sch Att Yds TD Lg  Avg
Caralla      DC  18 195  1 70 10.8
Wells       Man  29 163  1 46  5.6
Kimmel       AU  29 155  1 26  5.3
Davis       MSJ  23 119  2 39  5.2
Hartsfield   FC   9 105  3 55 11.7
Thornton     DC  17  91  1  9  5.4
Mason        BU  18  70  0 16  3.9
Bueltel    RHIT  10  51  1 43 10.2

PASSING     Sch Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Lg
Rupp         FC  32- 25-1   399  5 52
Palmer      MSJ  24- 12-0   213  2 44
Eitel      RHIT  20-  9-0   154  2 55
Thurston     AU  25- 13-2   119  0 35
Thiems      Han  33- 17-2   100  0 14

RECEIVING   Sch Rec Yds TD Lg
Dillon       DC  12 138  1 21
Lynch        FC   6 105  0 47
Meiner      MSJ   3  98  2 44
Gorrell      FC   3  91  1 52
Sienicki     BU   4  51  0 25
Miller      Han   7  48  0 14
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 20, 2007, 09:01:13 PM
Just back form the FC / RHIT game.  Great TEAM win for the Grizz!  See you guys at the Pool Hall this week.  www.grizzlyball.com (http://www.grizzlyball.com)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 20, 2007, 09:11:26 PM
And the Defensive side...
Player      Sch Solo Ast Tot TFL/Yds FF FR-Yd Int-Yd  PD Blkd Sack/Yds
Cornely     Han    5  12  17
McCullough   BU    4  11  15 1.5/7                             0.5/5
Bradtmiller Man   10   5  15   1/1
Hildenbrand  AU    3  11  14 1.5/2                          1
Middendorf  Han    4   8  12   2/8                               1/4
Prosser     MSJ   10   2  12
Hagen        BU    3   7  10   1/2
Deeter       AU    2   7   9                    1-20   1
Guiney     RHIT    7   2   9
Pickrell     FC    3   5   8
Stevens    RHIT    6   1   7   2/4
Ayres        FC    4   2   6 1.5/3                             1.5/3
Atkins      Man    5   1   6   1/2       1-0
Huelskamp    DC    5       5   1/1    1                          1/1
Donald       DC    2   3   5                    1-11   2
Rulon        FC    2   3   5 1.5/7                             1.5/7
Dues         DC    2   1   3   2/13                              2/13
Poetter     MSJ        3   3                    3-59   4
Hurst        AU    1   1   2                    2-0    2
Simmons      BU    1   1   2                    1-55   1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 20, 2007, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2007, 07:48:40 PM
Total yards: DC 551 HC 154.
It should be noted that DC had 368 yards on the ground.  If you had told me that Vetter went 18 for 34 and only 183 yards, I would have told you it was a close game.  And this week it was Caralla with the big numbers.  Though Thorton's numbers were none to shabby either.  These guys have seemingly given this team something they didn't know they had a couple months ago. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 20, 2007, 09:54:03 PM
JacketsFan - looks like Rob might have had our private emails under surveillence from a few weeks ago for BB matl.  Nice game Jackets - let's keep the roll going...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 21, 2007, 08:31:24 AM
I also attended the Rose-Franklin game. Just to add a little flavor for the DC fans who see that RH put up 28 on the Franklin defense. The first quarter was competitive with Rose scoring first on a long field goal and leading 10-7 late in the first quarter.  At the end of the third quarter the score was 56-13 (FC outscored RH 49-3 in a little over two quarters. The entire first string defense and offense sat out the fourth quarter when Rose scored twice.  Rupp had 5 TD's and his 399 in three quarters of action.

For those predicting a Rose win or close game it appears to be DC wishful thinking.  Insead of pool, maybe Coach Leanard will consider mini-golf or bowling this week to get ready for the Spartans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2007, 11:57:57 AM
Were DC the ones predicting a close game or a victory for RHIT? 
Anyways, big game for the Jackets & as well for the Lions.  DC has to win conf., to make playoffs & MSJ would have to win out & have a few other nonconf., games to go their way to get in, so both have a lot riding on this week.
I would also like to say, "Wow" to Otterbein beating Capital! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2007, 01:11:28 PM
In a milder sense, DIII seems to be sharing some of the same DI parity.

Until now, I have never thought of OSU being the number 1 team in the country and to an extent, I still don't after a close scare to a team who lost to Northwestern who lost to Duke. But who is? No one has proved to be the #1 team. Everytime someone gets close, or has the chance, they lose. USF and UK are the latest Top 10 teams to falter and LSU is barely able to escape from Auburn in an SEC battle. Ask me and I think the SEC champ is going to finish with 2 losses. UCLA beats Cal after being beaten bad by Utah and Notre Dame. What is going on???

And I predicted a close RHIT-FC game. So what, I was wrong. Isn't the first or last time. I did call a 21+ victory for MSJ and 21 it was.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2007, 04:40:14 PM
I thought we were allowed to have our own thoughts and ideas about the games here??

Let me know before Wednesday that way I will keep my thoughts to myself..


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 21, 2007, 05:36:22 PM
how is the DIII world sharing DI parity?

i don't see it. Mount Union still keeps pounding guys, FC is where all the supporters thought they would be, HC is where we all thought they would be, MSJ is where everybody (but the MSJ guys) thought they would be, I am confused.

on a side note, has HC every stopped a team that can run the ball?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2007, 10:06:50 PM
There have been a few DIII upsets that normally don't happen (i.e. Capital losing to Otterbein) and there was one a few weeks ago that was very suprising plus some others. And I did say "to a milder sense." MUC doesn't count. I will quit drinking the day MUC finishes with 2 losses in the same season.

I was driving home today listening to the Bengals game on 700 WLW and afterwords, fans were calling in acting like the Bengals were going to the Superbowl. I know a win is a win and you take whatever victory you can get in the NFL, but it was the Jets. I wanted to call in and sit everyone back at the 'reality' table. And at the beginning, this team was supposed to win. 8 years ago, yeah, call in excited after a win cause the Bengals were terrible, but now, act like we're supposed to win. Which we are.

And did anyone else see Chad Johnson make a complete a$$ of himself in the interview with Keshawn. Normally he's a fun guy, but every week we have been seeing a different side of Chad Johnson that we haven't seen before. A selfish Chad. I know this guy is passionate and only wants to win, but at some point all the talk is just too much. And how about the inside report that a source close to the Bengals admitted they will be making a "decision" on Chad Johnson at the end of the year. The way things are going, there may be a certain OSU linebacker making the short trip down 71 to play for the Bengals next year.

And TMC loses a close one. SaintsFan, got anything other than the write up on the website?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2007, 10:09:13 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2007, 10:06:50 PM
There have been a few DIII upsets that normally don't happen (i.e. Capital losing to Otterbein) and there was one a few weeks ago that was very suprising plus some others. And I did say "to a milder sense." MUC doesn't count. I will quit drinking the day MUC finishes with 2 losses in the same season.

Capital losing to Otterbein happened two years ago. Twice in three years Capital has lost to Otterbein, and the type of loss is not that unusual either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2007, 10:15:49 PM
And its about time the FC guys got a backbone and are posting with style, grace, and a swagger that almost equals that of myself :)

And 2 years ago, Otterbein finished 7-3. Two of the three loses coming by way of MUC (of course) and ONU, who beat MUC. This year they were 3-3 entering that game with wins over teams who were a combined 5-16 (two of them are 1-6). Not quite the same "type" of upset 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 21, 2007, 10:21:53 PM
haha, backbone? i try to be as cocky about grizzly ball as i can. ok, here it is: FC will make the playoffs and will win the first round game. their ground game and aggressive defense will make some huge plays in that game to propell them to playoff game number II.

how is that for cocky, or is cocky if you believe it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2007, 10:26:30 PM
LOL

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2007, 10:46:25 PM
If & I mean if Franklin wins out they could possibly have a high seed going into the first round of the playoffs.  I'm still going to stay on DC's bandwagon & say they'll beat MSJ this Saturday & then come for Franklin looking to make some noise.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2007, 10:48:46 PM
By the way I want to give a shot out to the NFL Lions for picking up their fourth victory of the season!  Already one more win than last year & six more away from Kitna's bold prediction of 10 W's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 21, 2007, 11:12:54 PM
Franklin will not win their first round game.  They will be a lower seed so they will play a very good team possible Wheaton or a team out or that conference.  They play in Heartland and they lost to Wabash this year.  I know the game was close but they still lost.  If they would have beaten Wabash they I could say they might have a chance.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2007, 11:41:22 PM
v-bell:

I wouldn't say that is being "cocky" but rather perhaps real-confident (or perhaps over-confident and maybe unrealistic??;D!).  On the other hand, some stranger things have happened at times in the playoffs, so who knows, FC might get lucky and pull an upset if they get a high-seed team opponent.  Nothing wrong with being confident in your team! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 22, 2007, 08:08:05 AM
what is up with Dillon only 1 TD and 138 yds we need to be back to that 4 TD a game average!!!  these next 2 weeks would be good weeks to start it.

HUGE week for DC.  you cant get to franklin without going through MSJ first.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 22, 2007, 08:11:31 AM
while i dont think there i any chance for the Bengals this year it was nice to see them play with a little emotion.  they have been flat the last 4 games and through the first half of this one. they are a different team when they get excited.

not sure if the Bristol boys track this but YAMT Cincy has to be a distant 31st in the league.  and in case i just made up the phrase YAMT = Yards After Missed Tackle.  these guys cant tackle crap
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 22, 2007, 08:27:50 AM
adam,

Thomas More recovered what they thought was a fumble and returned it to the Geneva 15 yard line in the 4th quarter.  It was ruled an incomplete pass (somehow). . . I would say they got shafted, but its definitely been more of a "trend" (conference zebra's with questionable calls against TMC).

I saw that interview with Chad and I was embarrassed for him.  Not only did he make me uncomfortable seeing it but also he made Keyshawn (who he talks to weekly) uncomfortable.  Its messed up.  I think he's gone though after this year.  A guy I work with has his wife who does PT for the Bengals and she said they're talking about "life after Chad". . . stay tuned.

Adam, also don't wish that on Laurinitis. . . .we'll screw his career up like Pollack's. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2007, 02:19:08 PM
Chris Mortenson came on during the pregame show and said that a source close to the Bengals said they were going to make a "decision" on him after the season.

I like Chad Johnson, but I would give him up for some defensive talent...and teams would give it up too. The man has led the AFC in receiving yards the last 3 years and he wasn't the only option. TJ has proved this year he's more than capable of handling the #1 load. I think I heard he is on pace to brake the single season receptions record. Miami and Oakland need offensive threats and they both have solid defensive players who may be getting a little old, but can still play. Or a nice 1st or early 2nd round pick would be good.


Here's the odd thing though about the playoffs. Unless Capital beats MUC, the #2 OAC team will have 2 losses. The #2 team in the CCIW will have a minimum of 3 losses, The #2 team in the NCAC will have a minimum of 3 losses, the #2 in the IBC and MIAA has no chance,

Here's what I think will happen

#1: Mount Union (10-0) OAC Champ
#8: Hope/Olivet (7-3) MIAA Champ

#4: Wabash (10-0) NCAC Champ
#5: Waynesburg (9-1) PAC At-Large

#3: W & J (10-0) PAC Champ
#6: Franklin (9-1) HCAC Champ

#2: Wheaton (10-0) CCIW Champ
#7: Concordia (8-2) IBC Champ

I think Waynesburg will get the nod over MSJ as an at-large. If Concordia is kept out west, then MSJ may have a shot at an at-large as a #7 seed if they finish 9-1 which will be no easy task as DC and TMC will be hunting hard for them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 22, 2007, 03:19:50 PM
i guess it is time to start some good old fashion trash talking.  Sayer nice playoff picks especially the last line about DC and TMC being hungry.  i dont think MSJ will have to worry much after this weekend.  i predict several records to be broken Sat Night Single Season Receptions, Yds, TD, Career TD's.  all soon to be owned my Mr. Luke Dillon.  but he wont leave the MSJ faithful empty handed.  after he is done scoring all over the DB's he will score with all girls in the stands, then everyones mom's this guy is a scoring machine.

after the game JacketsFan is forced into sending a well written apology letter to Vetter for being a sour ol pain-in-the-ass last several months.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 22, 2007, 04:07:29 PM
I see Waynesburg losing to W&J & to Geneva giving them two losses & knocking them out of an at-large bid.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 22, 2007, 05:46:52 PM


Good win by MSJ, now they have to focus their attention on DC, and their Wide-Out Dillion. I think Dillion will see double coverages all day, and he will not put up big numbers, if the defense focus too much on dillion, then someone else, could hurt them. I think MSJ will win Big this weekend, and send a message that the lost to FC was just a stumbling block in the road! I respect DC and their talent on the offense side of the ball, but if you shadow dillion with double teams, who else can win the game for DC? MSJ has something to prove, after the lost to FC, and it does not hurt that they are playing at home! The Bengals should keep Chad Johnson around, beecause he provides the team, with a winning attitude and a flair for the game, that is un-matched. The Bengals need to get rid of some of the defensive guys, and start young, let Marvin have something to work with, because the Veterns have not provide anything, get the young kids clicking, and playing the kind of defense that Marvin has made a name building since being a Defensive Coach!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 22, 2007, 05:57:30 PM
Adam, I have a few thoughts about your regional picks and seeding.  First, the 32 teams are picked before they are grouped into regions.  So, MSJ's selection chances are not dependent upon whether Concordia (or any other team) is moved into the region.  Second, Hope currently has only 1 loss in the eyes of the selection committee.  The losses against UW-River Falls and Central will not be evaluated because they are out-of-region.  Third, a 10-0 Case Western Reserve would be in this region too.  But, you may be projecting them to lose between now and then, which is why you left them off.

dc_has_been, Geneva is a first-year provisional, so their games aren't counted as in-region either.  If Waynesburg loses to them, it won't be evaluated by the selection committee either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 22, 2007, 06:19:30 PM
Once again altor, thanks for the info.  I have to go back to the drawing board now and rethink what I thought was going to be the 8 teams in our region.  Anyways, all that matters to me is DC winning out and representing the HCAC!!!

Most known, unknown- I would only think teams have been doubling up on Dillon for weeks now.  If teams haven't been doubling him thus far then shame on their defensive coordinators.  Anyways, if they just put their attention on Dillon that will leave open two other capable receivers & a run game that has been doing pretty well this season (as you mentioned). 
I think it will be a good game this weekend w/ DC pulling this one out if they don't allow any big plays & keep MSJ's offense off the field as much as possible.  Well I think anyteam would win w/ those strategies. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 22, 2007, 06:50:55 PM
OFFICIAL LETTER OF APOLOGY FROM JACKETSFAN (AND COACH TAYLOR AND THE REST OF THE DC FAITHFUL)

DEAR HANS VETTER. I AM TRULY SORRY FOR BEING A SORRY OL' PAIN IN THE ASS THE FIRST PART OF THE SEASON. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A VERY GOOD QB WHO JUST HAD A BIT OF A ROUGH TIME FINDING A GROOVE AND SETTLING INTO IT. I WATCHED YOU COME OUT LIKE A MANIAC YOUR FIRST SEASON AND GOT SPOILED BY WHAT I SAW. I THOUGHT YOU'D LOST IT. IN RECENT WEEKS, YOU'VE PROVEN ME WRONG. PLEASE FORGIVE A GROUCHY OLD FOOL WHO'S BEEN SUFFERING THE PAINS OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL WITHDRAWAL AND WAS ONLY TALKING OUT OF HIS HEAD. NOW, GO TO MT. ST. JOE SATURDAY, KICK SOME ASS, TAKE SOME NAMES AND MAKE US ALL PROUD.

SINCERELY,

JACKETSFAN

AS FOR THE REST OF YOU MISCREANTS, FAIRIES AND REPROBATES WHO DIDN'T THINK I HAD THE STONES TO DO IT - THERE. SHOWED YOU, DIDN'T I?

I PREDICTED A NARROW WIN OVER RHIT BY FRANKLIN SO I WAS WRONG ON THAT COUNT, AS WELL. BUT, THIS WEEK WILL BE DIFFERENT.

DC IS GOING TO TRASH, SMASH AND HASH THE MOUNT THIS SATURDAY. THE YELLOW JACKETS ARE GOING TO STING THE LIONS. THE GUYS WHO WEAR PURPLE ARE GOING TO ADD SOME BLACK TO THE GUYS WHO WEAR BLUE. DC IS GOING TO HAMMER, CLOBBER, GREASE, WAX, DRILL, POUND, ZAP, MOW DOWN AND (ADD YOUR OWN ACTIVE VERB) MT. ST WHO.


MOST UNKNOWN, THE PERSON WHO WILL LITERALLY RUN ALL OVER MSJ WHEN THEY START DOUBLE COVERING LUKE DILLON SATURDAY IS THE SAME GUY WHO RAN UP 198 YARDS SATURDAY, MR. CARALLA, WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MR. THORNTON. THE MOUNT IS GOING TO HAVE ITS HANDS VERY FULL AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE ABLE TO STOP DC THIS TIME. LUKE DILLON IS GOING TO SET SOME NEW RECORDS.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 22, 2007, 06:54:03 PM
I don't think W&J and Waynesburg are in the North Region.  They will play in the south.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 22, 2007, 07:00:43 PM
JacketsFan- You da'man! 
nittanybacker-depending on the teams that get selected will determin what region they play in.  So either of those teams could end up in the North bracket.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 22, 2007, 07:13:38 PM
I could have sworn I read a post from Sayer then it was gone? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 22, 2007, 07:14:53 PM
No, Brad, I was wrong and I was being petty. Thanks to Ben for calling a spade a spade. Seeing Richard and the other guys work so hard the past two seasons and get so close to winning a ring and not getting there because the offense just wasn't there yet (no offense meant to anyone on offense), I guess I got a little bitter. My son's a better man than I am. While he's been rejoicing every time DC makes a TD, kicks a PAT or a field goal or lights someone up on defense, I've been sulking about it. He told me the other day, "This team is our legacy, dad. We want them to make it." What's the old expression, the child is the father to the man, or something like that? I needed a reality check and I've been getting one. I'm really quite ashamed of the way I've been behaving and I hope that the DC guys and coaches who do read this will forgive me for temporarily losing faith in them.

Franklin, y'all better watch out. Don't start ordering those rings just yet. Though God knows how bad Victory Bell wants y'all to win one.

Now, if you will excuse me, I've got to go watch my Jaguars beat the Colts.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2007, 07:29:48 PM
I'm a magician :)

My buddy posted my post before it was complete. I was in the middle of making a point. It will have to wait.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 22, 2007, 09:50:27 PM
Christ in a Mopbucket, JacketsFan!  Can ya send some of whatever that was to a fellow senior citizen?  Definite Cialis moment for the AARPers...  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 22, 2007, 11:31:16 PM
Bob, From what I hear, there's a new thing out that pretty much renders Cialis the pharmaceutical of choice for sissies. They say the injectable stuff is the real deal. Of course, I guess that begs the question. Who among us is brave enough  to stick a needle in Mr. Johnson even if it does supposedly turn you, quite literally, into a man of steel. I hear you can hang a week's worth of dry cleaning on it and it won't bend a bit - for at least two hours.

A friend of mine told me that he tried it one night and wore out two lassies very eager to prove him wrong. He had to have his phone number changed because they pestered him so much afterward. And get this, he says he watched a football game while he was doing it. What a visual! 'Scuse me, darling, but would ye mind bouncing and gyrating a wee bit to the left. I can't see the tv screen. What? Is it halftime already?

Are ya ready for some footbaaaaaaalllllll?!

I wish somebody, just anybody, could light Peyton Manning up and make him skittish. Indy's trouncing Jax. Will someone please sack this hillbilly?

David Garrard out with an ankle injury at the half. Not good. Backup QB already thrown at least two pics and got sacked for a safety. I can't watch any more.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 23, 2007, 05:59:23 AM
nittany, they beat wabash last year and lost by a failed 2pt conversion, wouldn't that mean they are ready for the "playoff" teams? if not, please do explain...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2007, 06:03:55 AM
I let my buddy use his computer in the middle of typing. He decided to be an a$$ and posted my message. I'm lucky that's all he posted as he has been known to call random numbers in my cell (when I had one) and start speaking rather crudely to the girls in it.

I halfway forget now, but I was trying to make a point about MSJ, if they can go 9-1, would be considered over a 10-0 Case Western Reserve team. Look up Case's opponent's W-L record as I don't remember but it is something like 13-34 and Case has an overtime win against a team who is 2-5. The 2nd place team in that conference is 6-1, but lost 56-14 to Wheaton.

I would imagine Dillon has seen doubles every week, much like Dorf did. But here's why Dorf is better. He put up those big numbers every year AND we had a run game. We didn't have to look for him every time for us to win like DC does with Dillon, just most of the time.

If Waynesburg makes the playoffs, they would be in the east/north. They are located in Pennsylvania. I know regions are determined after the draw now, but still, where your geographically located represents where you will be located in general. Not always, but mostly.

I had a dream I was reading a post from 70_DC and he was talking about watching Red Grange play. I thought it was cool that we had someone who was 90 posting on DIII.

Back to teaching kiddies. End of the quarter is this week. I got extra credit projects, tests, meetings, football, more grading. FUN, FUN, FUN!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2007, 06:06:59 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on October 23, 2007, 05:59:23 AM
nittany, they beat wabash last year and lost by a failed 2pt conversion, wouldn't that mean they are ready for the "playoff" teams? if not, please do explain...



Not with the situation they are in. Being 9-1 out of the HCAC will mean being a 6 or lower seed. It won't matter whether it was a 2 point loss or a 30 point loss to Wabash since I think Wabash may end up being the 4 at best. They will get stuck playing a stud and recently for the HCAC (last 4 years) that team has been Wheaton or an OAC team. Either way, the first playoff game for FC if they do go, will be a learning process.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 23, 2007, 08:50:22 AM
The last new years W&J has played in the East Region.  Now this doesn't mean Waynesburg, since they will get an at-large bid, will not play in the North but that is not the trend for PAC schools. 

As far as Franklin and the almost win against Wabash.  I think Adam hit it right on the head.  I just don't think that the commitee is going to seed a HCAC school high because they barely loss to top 25 school.  They are still a HCAC school.  Don't get me wrong I hope Franklin does well in the playoffs and give some credit to the HCAC.  I hope Franklin proves me wrong.

The bottom line is the top schools in the HCAC need to play better opponents.  Hubie use to call our non-conference schedule preseason.  You could 7-3 and as long as you run the table in the HCAC you get to the playoffs.  You might even get a better seed because of the opponents you play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 23, 2007, 10:50:38 AM
All the playoff talk is premature anyways.  There has been some crazy things happenning this year such as Heidelberg beating a top 25 team & Otterbein beating a top 5 team, so who knows which teams will be representing each conf.? 

Sayer- I have to disagree w/ you on your thoughts DC having to get the ball to Dillon every time.  DC has a run game as well which is avg. 190 per game.  Plus last game DC put up 33 pts & only 6 came from Dillon.  I know it was only Hanover, but still Dillon is not the only answer for DC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 23, 2007, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2007, 06:03:55 AM
I halfway forget now, but I was trying to make a point about MSJ, if they can go 9-1, would be considered over a 10-0 Case Western Reserve team.
Case is in Pool B.  MSJ is currently in Pool C.  I won't get into specific scenarios, but a 10-0 CWRU would have to be "leapfrogged" by either three 1-loss or a 1-loss and a 2-loss Pool B teams.  If this happens, then CWRU would be compared to MSJ and everyone else in Pool C, at which point MSJ might get the nod over CWRU.  I'm not convinced the leapfrog would happen though.

Even though dc_has_been is right that playoff talk is premature, it's still fun.    ;D

Assuming everybody mentioned wins out, MUC, Wheaton, and Wabash are the top 3 seeds in the region (in that order).  Frankln, Case, and Hope are the next 3 (hard to tell order, though Franklin is in front of Hope).  Leaving Concordia WI and either the Waynesburg/W&J loser or MSJ as 7 and 8.

Of course, it will be the PA team because DC will hand MSJ their second loss on Saturday.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 23, 2007, 01:19:31 PM
I'm just going to put DC at the # 6 or 7 seed if we are going on assumptions! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2007, 01:23:05 PM
I don't think we can think of this coming postseason as we have in years past....IMO the committee is going to have some tough decisions and/or will be moving teams around based on the mileage. 

its going to be an interesting playoffs.  . . i think Franklin could win a game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2007, 01:24:52 PM
also, the more and more I think about it......you never know about Defiance this year.  Franklins defense doesn't scare many, and if Defiance can make them one-dimensional, they got a chance.  AFTER they play MSJ though. . if anything this season has proved you need to focus on one play at a time (Baldwin Wallace and Capital)


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 23, 2007, 01:53:50 PM
Jacket Fan, I enjoy the fact that you believe so much in your team. However, I really and truly believe that MSJ Defense will find a way, to shut down DC. FC was a great test for MSJ, and I think from that game; the Mount Learned from their mistakes, that's just my belief! I really don't feel that Dillon will be a difference; it appears that MSJ has some ball hawks in the secondary, and that the Defensive Line should and will, stop the run, and get some added pressure on the QB. The Mount, will put up the points, and the Defense will come alive! My Predictions for the game MSJ 35-DC 14; Dc will not gain over a 100 yards on the ground, and their passing game will be limited, Coach Hubbie needs to show different coverage's, and send different blitz schemes, and rattle the DC offense, if MSJ gets points early, this game can turn ugly! DC is a good team, but they will face a better team Sat. GO LIONS!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2007, 02:56:17 PM
no way....35-14 is too big of a spread for this one.  Its going to come down to field position and kicking games (both punting and FG). 

I think MSJ by 2.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 23, 2007, 03:25:29 PM
I know DC's past few games haven't been against dominant teams, but their all around game is getting better & better each week.  Now the true factor will be how well will DC play against a good team.  Will those weeks of beating up on Anderson & Hanover payoff or will they lose focus thinking they are too good? 
If DC brings their A game & gives MSJ the respect they deserve then DC should control the game.  If DC comes in cocky & thinking they will walk all over MSJ, then it could be a long day.  Hopefully Taylor has them focused & prepared to head back to Defiance w/ a W.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 23, 2007, 06:27:18 PM
is this dillon guy like the differance maker in the hcac this year or something. i haven't heard anything about him.

obviously, i was joking. yeah, and if msj is to win they'll have to shut that mamma jamma down.

playoffs? we talking about playoffs? yeah, and i think whatever seed the grizzlies get, they will be very pleased with. hey, once you are in, anything can happen. i still think msj would have gone far if their offense could have scored in a few games. just mo, don't hate on me yet sayer. i just know how dominant that defense was, and well, a few more points always helps.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on October 23, 2007, 08:58:01 PM
lets go griz
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 23, 2007, 09:03:58 PM
Most Unknown, I appreciate that you appreciate my fervor - although it sputtered for awhile - for my team. But, Luke Dillon is just one of the the many nice toys Santa left under the tree this year. Last week, Hanover ganged up on Dillon above and below. Whenever you take away a free safety to help double cover a wideout, you weaken your secondary. The price for doing that is having a run game turned loose on you. DC has two extremely good running backs in Lewis Caralla and David Thornton. Add Scooter Curtis to the mix and suddenly DC has a very deep running game. So Hanover bottled up Dillon last week at the cost of  Caralla running for 198 yards. I think Thornton had about 99 on the ground. But when i say Hanover bottled up Dillon, maybe that's too strong a verb because even being bottled up, he still received for 100 yards. I'll take that.

But that's not all DC's offense has going for it this year. In addition to Dillon at wideout, DC also has two more very capable receivers in Gary Allen and Nate Fitton. This is where things get very dangerous for anyone's defense. If you double up on Dillon, you create a weak link somewhere else. DC's offensive line is very physical and very quick off the ball this year. They're giving Vetter a lot of protection. They're giving him plenty of time for target selection. Gang up on Dillon and Vetter can pass to Allen or Fitton. Blitz Vetter and he's physical and tough enough himself to tuck it and run for five or six yards or a first down. Get too antsy about what Dillon, Allen and Fitton are doing and you've got Thornton, Caralla or Curtis running past you. Key on the running backs and go after Vetter and he can go play action and fling one to Dillon, who can outjump almost anyone. If he catches the ball, he's good for 5-7 yards just from sheer height and momentum.

I think DC finally has a solid, three dimensional offense and I don't believe MSJ's defense is going to be physical and quick enough this year to stop it. DC's offense came out last year and manhandled MSJ. Their own mistakes and miscues cost them the game. But if you go back and look at the stats for that game, it was all DC. No way does MSJ have the caliber defense it's had the past two or three years.  DC's defense is younger and maybe not as formidable as the past couple of seasons, but they're still a force to be reckoned with and they're deeper on D-line this year, which means a constant parade of fresh horses.

As SaintsFAN pointed out, special teams  and field position is going to be big. DC has hard booting and solidly reliable kickers in Alex Bonilla (K) and Tom Foos (P). They will give DC the field position they need to stay in the game. DC is just going to have to fly to the ball on kickoff and level the receiver and not give up valuable yards. I do think they could improve there.

I'm predicting a DC win of 27-17.

Sayer, what's going on with Lovell? He came out of the game against Franklin and didn't play against Manchester from what I hear.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2007, 09:10:36 PM
I didn't even pay attention until I saw the D3football front page, but Illinois Wesleyan, a team who MSJ went on the road and beat 25-15, is 5-2 and tied for first in the CCIW. They still have to beat North Central before they get to Wheaton, but a solid finish by IWU would be big not only for MSJ (if they do go 9-1) but also for the HCAC. Break it down, and the HCAC really has fared well against other conferences. FC loses a tight game to Wabash, MSJ beats, on the road, a contender in the CCIW, Defiance has beat Otterbein who just beat Capital. Maybe the HCAC isn't that bad this year compared to other conferences. Or it's just a little DIII parity :) Just a thought.

White Out???? The PSU Fans must be sniffing White Out if they think they have a chance against the OSU defense.

Bring it in Gill
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2007, 09:13:54 PM
Yeah, DC is averaging much on the ground, but 3 their last 4 opponents (Hanover, Anderson, Manchester) technically don't have a defense. They just have players they throw out there to fill spots. MSJ will be the first defensive test they have had. FC did a number on them but other than that game, they have been lights out.

Got no news for ya. Maybe they're keeping him a secret for Saturday. Hopefully he can play. They do have good backups, but Mike does a lot for that offense, not to mention the comfort level of having a 4-year starter in your backfield.

MSJ will hang more than 17 on DC. If DC wants to win, they will have to score 25+ to give them a shot. MSJ's lowest point total this season was against Illinois Wesleyan at 25 and has put up 30+ in 5 of 7 games this year.

MSJ wins 30-21. Joe, I told you to come up this weekend. This game turned out to actually matter a great deal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on October 23, 2007, 09:17:23 PM
fact fc did do well against msj. I thought fc could of scored a little more than they did but the offense wasnt clicking in the first half. But again MSJ did have a fumble on the one so who knows both great teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 23, 2007, 09:27:08 PM
Adam,

Glad(?) my IWU Titans could help out MSJ and the HCAC! ;D  But please note that we were picked for 7th in the CCIW.  Our OL consists of 3 sophs and a freshman.  Our qb is a soph who was not the starter at the beginning of the season.  We'd like a rematch, please!  You (and Coe in game one) eliminated us real early from pool C consideration (which was not even a dream at the start of the season anyway), so if we're going to the playoffs we're just gonna have to knock off Wheaton for ya'll!  (Though, actually, that would probably hurt you, since, unless someone else gets to the Thunder too, they'd be a lock to scarf up a pool C bid.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 23, 2007, 09:38:34 PM
mr. ypsi is a nice name. i like it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2007, 09:39:28 PM
You're welcome. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 23, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2007, 09:39:28 PM
You're welcome. :)

Nice one, Pat, but I'd bet it went right by 99% of the board! ;)

To explain, 2-3 years ago Pat (sarcastically) referred to the then 'cabonney' as 'Mr. Ypsi'.  When HoF poster sac chimed in that that should be my name (and it, by coincidence, being the first day of the Ypsilanti Heritage Festival), I figured, "Aha - that IS my name!"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 23, 2007, 10:20:40 PM
Look at that, this board has major history to it!  Look how far this board has gone thus far.  It is awesome considering I'm out in Cali & I get to keep up w/ my school & others in the Midwest.  Go Jackets 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 23, 2007, 10:35:09 PM
Well holy moley Mr. Y. I've been around the board five years now and I didn't realize you were the poster formerly known as Cabonney. I thought you'd been Mr. Ypsi for at least the last hundred years or so. ;D

Adam, can't disagree with you about the status of the last few teams DC has played. They certainly don't match up to what DC will face at MSJ on Saturday afternoon. That's why I'm calling it a close score but with DC still pulling off the upset.

Eat your heart out, fellas. My boys and I loaded a bushel of fresh local oysters and a few pounds of shrimp right off the boat onto the grill Saturday afternoon and listened to the DC/Hanover game. Kind of like a tailgate party without the tailgate. You'll love this. Later that night, we all went to the county fair. The guys razzed me all afternoon about kicking my ass on the strong man game this year. You know, the one where you sling the sledgehammer and ring the bell. Now, the truth of the matter is, I wasn't looking forward to getting humiliated by a former college defensive lineman who was benching around 500 pounds, nor his construction worker/electrician brother who's been surfing circles around me since I taught him how as a pup. But I've never been able to say no to a challenge.

So there we were, standing in front of the carney and his game. A crowd gathers as the large and beefy Richard wields the mallet like a maniac. Three and out. No bell. Then comes Trey, the older brother, pounding that peg like his life depended on it. Three and out. No bell. By now, the carney is talking some serious smack and the boys are joining in. And old man near me says come on pop, don't let us other geezers down. So I turned to Mrs. JacketsFan, tipped her and wink and yelled, "Remember the stud you married? He's baaaaacckkk!" And then to my boys, "Here's to all the old man jokes, you assholes." And then I brought that sledgehammer up from the bowels of hell and planted it right on the devil's doorstep. Ka-Bam! Dinggggggg! A reverent "Ooooooh" went up from the crowd as I turned to my two hugely humiliated offspring and reminded them that I might be getting a bit long in the tooth, but I brung 'em into this world and as long as there's still blood in my veins, I can still take 'em out.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Never misunderestimate the elderly. Yeah, baby!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 23, 2007, 11:08:42 PM
DC vs MSJ comes down to 1 stat DC rushing vs MSJ rushing.  if DC has success running the ball they will score a bunch becuase it will open up dillon more than he does for himself.  the DC defense has to slow down the MSJ running attack or DC will have to put up 40.

in the recent past MSJ has killed DC becuase the fast start.  DC cant do some dumb things and get behind early MSJ knows how to put a team away when they do this.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 23, 2007, 11:23:46 PM
Adam, how far a drive is it from Columbus to Cincy? I can catch a cheap flight on Sky Bus if I still have time to get a reservation. I'd really like to come up if I can swing it. I just don't know if I can.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 23, 2007, 11:41:12 PM
True dedication JacketsFan!  I looked up prices from LA to Cincy & they were just above $800!, & that isn't much of a difference when I checked a few weeks ago.  I think I'll just book a flight for next years game at DC today & see if I can get a better price. ;D
70dcalum- nice analysis.  Could be a very fast game if these two run the ball the majority of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 06:09:14 AM
Drive from Columbus Airport to MSJ would take about 2 hours.

And othe than Cabonney :) no one else thinks anything about the way the HCAC has stacked up against conferences this year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 24, 2007, 08:21:48 AM
Has Been you cant fly into Cincy it is a minimum of 800 bucks regardless of how soon you book it.  i am flying to nashville tonight from Cincy and it was 850 bucks.  Dayton is not very good anymore.  go through Columbus...skybus and southwest make C-bus dirt cheap

JacaketsFan let me know, i will be heading to the game with my father in law
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 24, 2007, 09:35:34 AM
is the game at MSJ?

with all the d3.com guys from in here going to be there, I just might try to make it. 


Sayer?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 24, 2007, 10:43:32 AM
Joe,

Also take a look at AirTran - postings on their website last night have flights from Atlanta into Dayton, not many restrictions, at $79 each way - and, it's a shorter drive to Delphi from Dayton down 75.  Just a thought.  I'd join you if not a previous engagement in Naptown that evening...

Bob
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 24, 2007, 10:53:24 AM
you guys roll into Dayton just let me know i am 20 min from there and we can make it a road trip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 24, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
Nice thought, Ben.  You'd have to change your current auto stock from Pampers to Depends and Oxygen Bottles to accomodate two, ancient and bilious gas bags.  The seats aren't cloth upholstery, are they?  ;D

signed,

Bubba Hotepp
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 01:04:38 PM
Since we are talking about driving to MSJ, I hope the game is there :)

I have my GRE's in the morning so I won't be getting to MSj until 12:30/1:00.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 24, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 06:09:14 AM
And othe than Cabonney :) no one else thinks anything about the way the HCAC has stacked up against conferences this year?
Well, the conference as a whole is actually behind where they were last year.  The HCAC was 13-11 in the 2006 regular season non-conference schedule.  So far, they are 11-12 with the Bridge Bowl remaining on the schedule.

That said, there have been some very good individual games in the "top 3."  Unfortunately, Franklin's two point loss to Wabash takes them out of Pool C contention and might cost them a home game in week 12, but that loss (and last year's win) certainly gives them confidence that they can go nose-to-nose with almost anybody in the country.  Defiance beat Otterbein by two in the mud in the middle of the night in Westerville.  It is not out of the question that Ott could run the rest of their schedule and finish 7-3 and in a tie for 2nd in the OAC.

MSJ is the only team with a shot at Pool C.  But to do it, they have to win out and root for TMC and Illinois Wesleyan for the next couple weeks.  Mr. Ypsi mentioned that a Wheaton loss to IWU steals a Pool C bid, but I'm not so sure.  The common opponent criteria goes in MSJ's favor, right?  To be safe though, I think MSJ should probably root for Wheaton that week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 24, 2007, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 01:04:38 PM
I have my GRE's in the morning so I won't be getting to MSj until 12:30/1:00.
I don't think that's a problem.  I believe the game is scheduled for 4:00.

Is it on ESPN or something?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2007, 03:09:24 PM
I think the HCAC is a much stronger conference now than what it was a few years back.  In the past I've expected an early exit from the playoffs, now I feel that who ever it is that goes will have a chance to compete. 
On regards to who goes to represent the HCAC will be determined in the next few weeks making this season an exciting won again.
70dcalum- if you can on Saturday give me a call and update me on what is happening.  I have been unable to get the DC feed from my computer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 04:26:17 PM
Sure it matters. My GRE's mean less drink time. Plus the Halloween parties that night  ;D

One of my kids told me this joke today. It's clever. How come ghosts can't have any babies? Because they have Hollow-weenies :). I thought it was hysterical.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 24, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 01:04:38 PM
Since we are talking about driving to MSJ, I hope the game is there :)

I have my GRE's in the morning so I won't be getting to MSj until 12:30/1:00.

Gotcha. . . .

ok, joke is on you next time.  I don't know which one will be with me, but I am planning to be there. . .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 24, 2007, 05:03:39 PM
good job on the sledge hammer, it's hard to do after your playing days. i ran the option in a back yard game last week and i am pretty sure i blew my hip flexor out. i'm hung up for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 24, 2007, 05:18:07 PM
DC_has _ Been what part of Cali are you in. I'm near Fresno, Ca. Moreover, I'm sticking with my guns; there has been some good points made about DC Offense, and how they have so much talent, at vital positions etc! I really think that MSJ Defense will play hard and shut them down, FC came in the MSJ game putting up big numbers, but they were held in check when it came down to points. As it has been posted DC has not faced a tough defense yet, and it will show this week, regardless of what weapons you have, a good defense can shut-down a great offense, and I'm going to stick with my predication MSJ 35- DC14, if the mount control's the clock, it can be worse, Adam made a great point, MSJ has put up some good
Numbers in 5 of the seven games played, and DC Defense is not deep enough to stop, Mike L, and the passing game of MSJ! This weekend MSJ get's back on track with good defense, and good offense. Remember MSJ HAD TWO shut-out games in 2003 one against DC as well, as Bluffton!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2007, 06:44:20 PM
MK,U- I live in Encino which is right outside of Dtwn. LA. & enjoying all the smoke that I'm inhaling from the dang fires.  I tried to go running the other day & I couldn't breath after just a few minutes.
I want to correct the statement that DC hasn't faced a good defense yet.  They have played Adrain which currently has the 13 best total defense in DIII.  I know DC lost that game, but we have seen a tough D. 
On regards to DC's defense not being good enough, how do you come up w/ that?  Considering DC's defense currently ranks highest in the HCAC in total defense, how does that make them not deep enough? 
I can not make sense of your reason on how this game is going to play out??? And what does 2003 have to do w/ anything too?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 07:21:31 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but every now and then I get an inkling to look up old football players such as Bronko Nagurski, YA Tittle, Red Grange, and such and read what wikipedia has to say about them. Tonight, I was watching Pardon the Interuption (Which I think is the best sports show on ESPN) and they showed a picture of YA Tittle that sent shivers down my spine (the one where he is on his knees in the end zone). I'll try to post it as my profile pic. So I got that inkling I was telling everyone about and happend to come across Nagurski on Wikipedia. Part of the article stated the following:

"Perhaps his greatest collegiate game was against the Wisconsin in 1928. Wearing a corset to protect cracked vertebrae, he recovered a Badger fumble deep in their territory and then ran the ball six straight times to score the go-ahead touchdown."

Do you think anyone would play with cracked vertebrea now? In the present days of the powder-puff, dont hit the QB too hard, NFL, it does me good to read stuff like this. My personal favorite is Ronnie Lott cutting off his pinky finger to play. Where have all these players gone? Not going to lie, I get teary-eyed thinking of these rough necks and what it would be like playing with and against them. How cool would it be to line up across from Red Grange?

Stuff like this reminds me why I played football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2007, 07:33:07 PM
It is a much different game today then how it used to be.  All those guys back in the day were bad mother jammers, but if you were to line them up against the freaks that we call professional football players or even college players it would be a different story. 
There are good reasons for these so called "powder-puff" days.  The size & speed of the game is getting crazier by the year & it isn't a question of being soft, it is a question of being smart. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 24, 2007, 08:02:28 PM
And don't forget that a high proportion of those oldtimers were invalids by age 50.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2007, 08:35:54 PM
Even a guy like Trent Green gets respect from me. though I think he should retire, as well as every sensible human on the planet, he still wants to play and he did come back from that shot last year. He may never be in the HOF, but he has that mentality that makes all those old timers great.

I respect guys who play hurt. It may not be smart most of the time, but when someone hobbles downfield with a broken leg, trying to line up again to play, it says something about pride, dedication, and character. I think if I was ever recruiting, the first question I would consider asking would be, "Are you willing to play hurt?" and if they say yes, as most or all would, ask them why. Not that I would ever play someone with a broken leg, but I want to know if it happend, would they  honestly try to play.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 24, 2007, 09:36:27 PM
Ahhh, now I know what's wrong with Most Unknown's logic. He lives in Fresno and those Thule winds have probably gotten to his brain. Most Unknown, except for having turned the ball over too many times last year, DC was walking all over Mount St. Joe on both offense and defense. Beat 'em up all over the stat sheet. The DC offensive line was laying the wood to the MSJ defense and the DC defense beat the living daylights out of that useless air thief who called himself a Mount St. Joe quarterback. DC held MSJ to 101 yards of total offense and Rashon Lewis spent the whole game running for his life - didn't complete a single pass. Granted, MSJ has a real QB this year but DC's going to come in with a tough defense and the ingredient they were missing last year and that's a three dimensional offense. I really don't believe MSJ's defense is as good as they were last year or the year before. They had some killers on D those two years. As far as Lovell is concerned, I hear he's a question mark for this week. Something about a high ankle sprain?  And that wide receiver, I forget his name, I don't know but I'm hearing he also has an injury that might keep him out.  If DC goes in there and shoots itself in the foot with turnovers like last year, MSJ loses. But if DC plays with few mistakes or turnovers, DC wins this year.

Bob, Ben, Brad and Adam - I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to go up after all. Bob's right, Ben. You'd just have to listen to us wheezing, farting and hacking and I doubt you'd have room in the car for all the medications Geezer Bob and Golden Oldie Joe tote around. And besides, you probably haven't taken a CPR refresher course in awhile and I KNOW you don't travel around with one of those cardiac jump start kits
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 24, 2007, 10:41:47 PM
my sr class in highschool had 25 guys on the team 1 QB, RB, WR, and 22 offensive lineman.  wheezing farting and hacking are all i have in my ride when i tote folks around.  plus a few have worn depends themselves.

you got my cell call me if you need an update.

doesnt matter on the CPR training i am not going to give you mouth to mouth anways. i give a boot to the chest to see if it will restart then pour  a little out of my next beer in memory if it does not start back up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 24, 2007, 11:01:15 PM
Oh, you thilly thavage. And I was SO looking for some of that mouth to mouth action, loverboy. :-*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2007, 11:42:19 PM
whoa
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2007, 12:49:47 AM
 :D, No matter how old we all get in age, our mentality stays the same!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2007, 08:29:18 AM
jesus! 

that post needs to be on Sinsinnati.com !   


Are the posters from this board planning to meet anywhere on Saturday?  Lets get something together. 

Those fires are terrible.  I have an Aunt who just moved last week from Orange County and her old neighborhood is being threatened now by a fire.  I have an avocado customer who lives in Fallbrook that was luckily spared by the fire. . . its kind of messed up and its messing with my business for this week.  Sayer knows what that does to me.  But I'm glad my customer and their families are ok.  I honestly believe insurance companies are going to either stop insuring those for fire coverage or jack everyone's rates up across the country to compensate for the payouts coming.  No doubt these fires will affect us all. .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 25, 2007, 08:59:39 AM
my engineering facility is in Ranch Bernardo it has been evacuated for about 4 days now, we have about 2000 employees that all live in the area.  know of at least 1 who lost their house.  4 years ago when they had the fires i had some of the most unreal pics sent to me.

the news does not do it justice when you see some of the pics that people send where every house on the street is destroyed nothing but ashes and a chimney except for 1 house in the middle that is not touched including all of the trees and brush.  wierd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2007, 11:33:56 AM
And you guys told me San Diego was a place where you want to live, not vacation. Ha! I'm happy living in my cheap, 1 bedroom apartment with the ol lady while I save up some cash for a ring...that's right, I said it. We may have a crappy football and baseball team, but it's better than fires, earthquakes, and watching USC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2007, 11:41:07 AM
Sayer- you make it seem like it is an everyday thing to have an earthquake or fire.  I still will take those over snow anyday!  Congrats on the intentions of saving for the ring, but I wouldn't refer to the future wife as "ol' lady" ;)
Oh yeah, it does suck watching USC though!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on October 25, 2007, 04:15:54 PM
Just had to chime in about the powder puff players.  Ask HC's coaches about that.  They were low on numbers this year anyway an I heard 1/3 of their team is on the injured list.  I think a lot of the problems now are due to the training staff.  Even if the kids want to play they aren't cleared by the docs.  As if HC wasn't struggling enough this year and then half their key players get put out for the season.  Ouch.

That's my post for the month.  Good luck to all HCAC teams this weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2007, 04:28:23 PM
R&B Song....


I gotta know, I gotta know, I gotta know YOUR name.....why you gotta be anonymous?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2007, 05:19:15 PM
Everytime I see your posts SaintsFan it makes me loath:D you more & more when I see you claimming HCAC champs in 2000 & 2001.  It is ok b/c I know it was tough during those times when all you guys wanted was to belong. :D
At least we were able to beat you guys once in the four years we played you in one of the craziest games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2007, 06:36:32 PM
its cool, hasbeen...no worries.  That was a VERY crazy game.  ah 1998, our kickers cost us 4 ballgames.  We couldn't even stop DC from blocking a punt to take the lead late in the game.....the had the GW FG attempt blocked also after we drove the field.


we DID win the HCAC those years....played all the HCAC teams,and went undefeated :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2007, 06:46:22 PM
Wasn't your kicker the won who picked up the blocked kick & almost ran it for a first down too?  That game was nuts especially with the field being layered w/ mud.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2007, 10:24:26 AM
you cant completly blame the kicking game you should have won it out right. i think the last drive alone the WR's dropped 4-5 passes that hit them square in the chest, you should have punched it in.

Has_been is watching USC really that bad?  is it worse than watching UM play this year?

saw a shirt yesterday, "So Easy Appalachian State Can Do It...GO BUCKS"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 26, 2007, 10:45:35 AM
Don't talk smack to early there 70dcalum!  Nothing would make me happier than to have U of M ruin OSU's chances from being embarassed in the Championship game agian :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2007, 01:06:11 PM
the holder picked up the ball and ran it towards the endzone....just like Stofko did in 1993....only Stofko made it. 

Yeah, we did have our opportunities...BUT, we don't get that punt blocked and you guys don't beat us. 

Revenge was sweet in 1999.   Those games were always fun between Defiance and Thomas More.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 26, 2007, 01:45:20 PM
99 was not a good year for us.  We lost one of our players midway through the season when you fell out of the back of truck after a Sunday practice.  It was a very tough season physically & mentally.  He was a tremendous guy!
I do agree that DC & TMC have a fun history.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 26, 2007, 01:50:20 PM
TMC's punter took a blocked/fumbled punt against us for a first down in 2003.  I can't remember which one. I do remember seeing J-Run pick it up and start running to his left. I looked down the sideline and realized there was no contain and about 2 seconds before he got the 1st down, thought to myself "Oh sh!t" he's going to get the first.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
Adam,

That was Badin's own, Tim Nieman who ran for that first down. 

That was amazing. 


I remember that, has_been.....that must have been tough to go through during the season.  We felt sorry for you guys, but still wanted to beat the piss out of you though.  Coach showed us that article.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2007, 05:08:20 PM
yea that was the game where we pissed you off in the pregame with the whole team giving you the DegenerationX Suck It during Cali's.  Big O who was a coach for you guys was the RB (i think it was Orlando Smith played FB for UC) on my arena team and was so fired up when i told him where i played.  said it was a bit of a disservice to us becuase it pissed them off so mouch it put the team at another level of intensity...oh well crap happens it was funny
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 26, 2007, 05:38:14 PM
How many batteries does it take to light up the University of Michigan?

One double A
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 26, 2007, 06:10:22 PM
Yeah, I have them too!

What do you call a good looking girl on the University of Michigan campus?
A visitor.


How do you make University of Michigan cookies?
Put them in a big Bowl and beat for 3 hours.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2007, 07:04:40 AM
Even people in Florida and California don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 07:51:52 AM
Quote
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2007, 07:04:40 AM
Even people in Florida and California don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan.

But "we" escaped from O-HI-OOO!   ;D  Good Luck this morning with the exams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 27, 2007, 12:00:24 PM
Could someone please post the website to get live updates on the FC / Manchester game as well as the MSJ / DC game.  I am out of town this weekend and would like to stay updated on the scores.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 27, 2007, 12:35:14 PM
Florida - Georgia game weekend here. Now for some Georgia humor.

Heard that the University of Georgia is letting Mark Richt go from his head coaching position at the end of this season and hiring Michael Vick to replace him. Vick's the only one they know who can get bulldogs to fight to the death.

What does a UGA cheerleader put behind her ears to attract guys?
Her ankles.

A man went to a proctologist because his butt was hurting. The doctor said he needed surgery. While in the operating room, a nurse asked the doctor what was wrong with this patient. "Just another asshole that keeps saying how 'bout them dogs," the doctor says.

Why are Georgia's football team colors black and red?
Because it shows up better on tv than black and blue.

Why does the St. Johns River flow north?
Because Georgia sucks.

Good luck to DC today at Mt. St. Joe. Kick some butt and on to Franklin next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 27, 2007, 12:35:14 PM

Good luck to DC today at Mt. St. Joe. Kick some butt and on to Franklin next week.

Ditto!  Hey Joe (Hi Mr. Dunahie),
                     Are our esteemed chief execs betting water rights on the outcome?  Heard there were strenuous negotiations with fed arbitration going on...  ;D

"...and the vegetable will respond to you."

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 01:04:51 PM
Sayer- I love Michigan & I enjoy the jokes about them too.  It just shows the envy that everyone else has about the state.  I would always rather be a Wolverine than a hairless nut! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 27, 2007, 01:18:29 PM
Here are the live game stats for the FC/Manchester game. I believe kickoff is at 1:30.

http://www.franklincollege.edu/athletics/TAS/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 27, 2007, 01:50:04 PM
FC up 14-0 early...scored within 2 minutes....game could get ugly early!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 27, 2007, 02:15:32 PM
FC up 24-0  still 1st    any update on the MSJ / DC game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 02:34:59 PM
DC/MSJ game doesn't start till 4
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
I would hope that game gets ugly in a hurry....


has_been,  call DC70 and tell him Sayer and I are going to be "on the hill" for the game....and to come up and introduce himself. 

I'll PM you with my ph # to give him. . .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 27, 2007, 03:14:45 PM
FC 45  MC 7 @ Halftime
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 03:16:32 PM
SaintsFan- it has been taken care of!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2007, 03:18:47 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 27, 2007, 04:57:13 PM
FC 52 MC 33 final -  Nice job Griz!  Most starters sit 2nd half.  Bring on DC.  www.grizzlyball.com (http://www.grizzlyball.com)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 05:48:44 PM
Last update that I read was 0-0 at half for the DC/MSJ game. 
"What's the score?"
"Nothin'Nothin'."
"Who's winning?"
"The Bears!"
For those that don't remember, Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 06:10:24 PM
About 10:00 to go, 4 and 2 for DC at Mt SJ 35 - Vetter incomplete.  MSJ takes over
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:16:39 PM
just got a message saying that Lovell is making a difference in this game
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
I hate not being able to listen to this game live & have to depend on updates through the internet & texting!  I do want to thank 70dcalum & SaintsFan for the text messages though :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:20:23 PM
3-0 5:24 left in the fourth MSJ is up >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 06:21:24 PM
Well, with 5:24 to go, hopefully DC can do something here.  Has_Been - sure that SF and 70 hit you with the 37 yd MSJ field goal... Ok, so they beat me to it  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 06:26:48 PM
Game time - Vetter sacked, it's 4th and 10 at midfield.  2:45 to go...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 06:28:22 PM
Do-o-o-o-oh.  Maybe Carr can last another week...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:29:14 PM
Punt the ball & pin them deep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 06:33:45 PM
Kinda went the other way.  Stopped MSJ, forced punt, and Scooter tried to pick up a bounding ball at the 3 - muffed it.  Do you try and make a play, or take the ball at the 20? MSJ ball on recovery, and TD.  Game over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 27, 2007, 06:38:23 PM
dillon was not in the last drive for DC.  Did he get hurt?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 06:38:52 PM
Hail Mary, Full of Grace... Vetter sacked, and on his face.  10-0.  Nice defensive game, considering no score until last five minutes.  Congrats to both squads! Nice game but sucked to listen to...  ;D

No idea what happened to Dillon - hope he's not hurt, and that he didn't pull a "Chad" either.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:41:22 PM
I just want to know who to be ticked off at, the players or coaches?  Sounds like a complete breakdown on DC's behalf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 06:51:39 PM
Just got word that Allen & Dillon were out w/ shoulder injuries & that is why Harris was returning the punt at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 27, 2007, 07:00:16 PM
Sorry to hear about the injuries to two major weapons - that doesn't bode well for next weekend in scenic Johnson County. 

Sounds like the "D" played lights out, but the offense ran into a buzz saw on the other side of the ball as well.  Hard to get too mad at anyone in those circumstances, eh? 

Will be fun to watch the White Out at Beaver tonight... Go Lions.  BTW, congratulations upon reaching soon-to-be exalted status, Has_Been.  Make 200 a good'n and git'r done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 27, 2007, 07:13:21 PM
Woe is me. A parade of fools in black and red vans with slobbering Georgia Bulldog decals on them are already parading around town yeehawing like hillbillies. DC gives it up - again - to MSJ. What the hell did we stop running the ball for, will someone please tell me?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2007, 07:24:09 PM
has_been,

I'd be pissed at the coaching if I were Defiance guy....play calling was terrible...wasted a great defensive effort....though if MSJ lost, they'd be saying the same thing.  Just a vanilla game....could be attributed to the two defenses.

Dillon appeared to hurt his right shoulder in front of the MSJ sideline in the 3rd quarter. 

We couldn't BELIEVE the guy messed around the ball on the punt....then MSJ's announcer called his name out.  Unreal.  Anyways, MSJ seemed to be really energized by Lovell's series. . . . he got them down to the 20 for a field goal.  Without him playing that series (and his only one), I'm not sure who wins this game. 

Both offenses were equally inept. . .though, I think playcalling had something to do with it.  DC runs a curl on 4th and 11 after the sack and MSJ defends it.  Meanwhile NEITHER team threw into the middle of the field.  Lots of players losing their footing.  Shame this thing didn't go to OT.  MSJ has to root for DC now against Franklin. 

Nice meeting DC70...at halftime and tepee also...though he seemed to be busy with his old man. 


Sayer, we'll see you in two weeks for sure for the Bridge Bowl and maybe next week like you said for W&J's visit to Kentucky.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 27, 2007, 08:42:52 PM
DC shouldn't give up hope yet.

Non-conference Opponents' records:
Franklin:  15-9
Defiance:  14-10
MSJ:  12-12

They have to win next week and hope from wins from Adrian and Otterbein for the next two weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2007, 09:07:36 PM
70dcalum & Saintsfan & cave2bens, thank you gentleman for all the updates, it is appreciated & once I hit the 200 level for the 2nd time I will give 1+ Karma to you all. 
It was a tough loss today & I won't say the better team won, but I will say that one team was luckier than the other (& yes that is my bitterness). 
DC really needs to put things together next weekend if they have any desire to beat Franklin.  They are kicking on all cylinders right now & DC will have to put some sugar in the gas tank to get them to sputter.
All in all, Go Jackets, finish the season strong!   
For my 200th post I will finish off w/ another Michigan joke:
Did you hear about the fire in University of Michigan's football dorm that destroyed 20 books?
The real tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 27, 2007, 09:23:32 PM
Great game for MSJ, why to get back to tough defense, and playing hard, nice shut out victory. MSJ needs some luck now, but the way FC is playing. I dont see DC beating them; seemed like a great defensive game. I look at the end results and not what could have been etc. Great win, not my outlook on the game, but I will take a shut-out any day of the week. What did Dillion end up having as far, as stats before getting hurt, and how much did DC rush for. Great win Coach Hubbie!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 27, 2007, 09:34:06 PM
Just some info from DC web-site:

Despite the stifling MSJ defense, the Yellow Jackets were still able to move the ball on the ground and topped 140 yards for the sixth-straight game this season. DC totaled 141 rushing yards and was led by 90 yards on 15 carries from Lewis Caralla, while David Thornton and Hans Vetter combined for 20 carries and 51 yards.
   

DC's highly touted passing attack failed to get on track as Vetter managed only 13 completions for 82 yards. Luke Dillon was the primary target but only caught five passes for 24 yards. Gary Allen caught four passes for 26 yards and Christopher Khoma hauled in the longest completion of the afternoon for DC of 13 yards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2007, 08:14:22 AM
I don't know much about coverages (kind of like I don't know much about disco :) ) but every time DC tried to go deep to Dillon, it seemed to be single coverage. The corner was in his jersey the whole game. The height wasn't a factor because the coaches at DC have obviously not taught him to go up for the ball and catch it at its highest point. He let the ball come to him and the corner was able to make plays on it. 

Joe, Vetter was the QB you said he was back in the summer. He makes bad choices. MSJ came with a blitz and to avoid it, he chucked the ball up to the middle of the field. There wasn't a single DC guy near.

Lovell's first carry went for 15-20 yards or something. It's not that he's necessarily better than the other backs, its the mentality of the offense when he's in the game.

So much for Florida's psychological edge against Georgia and UGA. The coach sends his whole team to the endzone to celebrate. That's some crazy sh!t. Then backs it up by beating them. That's what I'm talking about. I don't know if I would ever have the brass to do something like that though but it's cool.

And regarding Penn State

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

Ohio State looked good and with all these upsets, to go into Purdue, when they were ranked, Penn State, and Washington and win, I think they have a legit case for number 1. I know Washington isn't very good, but they have played everyone tough including USC and Oregon (GO DUCKS).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2007, 08:21:22 AM
And it was good meeting Ben (aka 70_DC_alum). Sooner or later I will have met everyone.

I wore the old wrestling singlet for Halloween with a pair of steel toed boots and a mullet wig. Talk about hillbilly's, JacketsFan, I was the biggest one last night :)

Whoever is in control of this site needs to put a "countdown" application on it. It would be cool to set up a countdown for a big game ala The Bridge Bowl.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 28, 2007, 09:31:35 AM
Good to meet you guys too.  since that was my first game i can comment on if the offense was differnt than in past weeks, but it is difficult to open it up if you dont throw crossing patterns and something over 3 yds.  MSJ had the same issue.  Dillion nearly climbed over the DB on a fade in hte 2nd or 3rd right in front of me.  was good coverage and a hell of a play becuase the ball was a little under thrown.  the INT in the endzone should have never been thrown it was way underthrown and couldn't be blamed on Dillon other than the fact he could of just takled the guy and kept the ball with a penalty.  it was 1st and 10 from the 40.  they through a couple to him after he was only able to move 1 arm and he couldnot go up for those and they pulled him after that.

personally i thought both coaches called a pretty good game.  both were very conservative and must have watched OSU from 2002 game film prior to the game becusae it was get the ball at the 5 drive 50 yds pooch it to the 5.  it went back and forth like that until they stopped DC on 4th and 2 which gave MSJ the ball at the 35.  drove the same amount as every drive but this gave them the shot at the long FG.  the radio did not do justice to how bad the muffed punt was.  heels on the 10 the ball was kicked into the coner so he was 10 yds away to the side and running after it.  then looked around at the 5 then decided last second to go for it and got smoked as soon as he got close.  when the ball hit he should have ran the other direction and hoped it made the endzone like most folks do.  i know what he was thinking becuase it looked like it was going to stop at the 2 so WTF lets make a play.  this is why they tell you to run the other direction.

not sure if Lovell can walk today but he showed some major stones in that last drive you could tell it hurt like hell every time he limped back to the huddle.  I know DC has some good RB's but it looks like Lewis had the hot hand yesterday.  he hits the hole hard and runs straight.  the running game went a lot better with him in there, but with a game like yesterday where it seemed like a running clock all day i think it was damn near the end of the 2nd before he got his second series to get through the rotation.  you got to get your athletes on the field, just a little worried we are trying to rotate too many in 1 spot and tought to get hot in a tough game.  just the opinion of a washed fan in the stands.

good game to watch congrats to both teams.  MSJ just made a couple more plays.

last i checked still for all of the marbles this week in Franklin.  a ring is a ring!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 09:49:02 AM
not a bad joke, Encino Man, not a bad joke. . ;D


if we get our arses kicked today at the hand of the Steelers, there's going to be a bridge alert in Cincinnati for all the bandwagon people jumping off. . .

I prayed last night that they could come together for this one...after all, Arizona did. .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2007, 05:08:20 PM
yea that was the game where we pissed you off in the pregame with the whole team giving you the DegenerationX Suck It during Cali's.  Big O who was a coach for you guys was the RB (i think it was Orlando Smith played FB for UC) on my arena team and was so fired up when i told him where i played.  said it was a bit of a disservice to us becuase it pissed them off so mouch it put the team at another level of intensity...oh well crap happens it was funny

yeah, I remember this.  Big O was right. . . we even did that sky kick after a TD and recovered it. .  It still was a great game. . . but you guys definitely woke us up.



If you guys haven't already...go to espn.com and see Trinity's last play (Cal Lateral) to beat Milsapps...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2007, 03:42:45 PM
It seemed to hurt MSJ that Mike Jones is out with a knee injury. He's the primary reciever.

The endzone play was nice by the corner, but most of the time, Dillon tried to reach up and over the DB. If he would leave his feet and get in the air, he would catch everything cause not many DB's are over  6'1". He is a large guy. He's not the typical WR build. He looks more like a TE.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 28, 2007, 04:02:53 PM
I wish I could have been there raising hell with you guys but if I'd been there in person, the stress might've been too much and I probably would've blown my ticker out my arsehole. Adam, I hear they're filming a new Deliverance movie. Why not take your Halloween costume and audition for the role of that guy who says, "You sure got purty lips." Ben, thanks for the update this morning. I wasn't there to see the game so I guess it's not real fair of me to Sunday morning quarterback. However, humility and discretion never being one of my strong suits, I will anyway. Someone who was at the game called me with a very good critique early today.

I can only imagine how ugly Scooter's abortion of an attempted punt return was. I guess he forgot the part about the same thing happening at MSJ three years ago. Wake up, kid.

Why oh why oh why does Hans Vetter insist on trying to pass to Luke Dillon when he's covered up and his TEs are open? Am I correct in understanding that there were quite a few times when both TEs were wide open in the middle of an unprotected zone and Vetter didn't even attempt to pass to them?

When you've got a running back that's a turf eater, why do you take him out unless he's hurt? Georgia didn't take Moreno out yesterday and he almost singlehandedly whipped Florida's ass. Would Huber take Mike Lovell out of a game when he's hot? I don't think so. What the hell was that all about? Was he hurt?

Didn't DC do anything to adjust when MSJ put Lovell in? I mean, c'mon, you know what the guy's gonna do. Why not take a page out of Huber's book and concentrate on stopping him?

Great defensive effort. Same old vanilla offense. Oh well. And Franklin's next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2007, 04:59:39 PM
It sounds like it was a complete meltdown at the end of the game & a good team will know how to handle that situation.  I'm not saying DC is not good, I just don't think they were prepared to be in that crunch time situation.  We have been notorious for screwing the pooch in big games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 28, 2007, 08:33:20 PM
they tried to stop Lovell, bottom line they manned up and he ran it right down their throats.  only real crunch time F'up was the muffed punt.  not sure if you could say the TE was open alot most of the passes where 1-3 step drops quick hitch.

i think Notre Dame could run all over the Bengals.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 28, 2007, 09:27:30 PM
Sorry I didn't get this out last night.  By the time MSJ/DC was over, it was time to watch OSU.  Family obligations and a nap took up most of Sunday.  ::)

Offensive stats seemed a bit bleak this week.  I guess that's what happen when a couple of the conference's top scoring offenses play a 10-0 game.  I imagine Franklin pulled most of their starters after a 45-7 halftime score, or else their stats could be a lot worse.

RUSHING      Sch Att Yards TD Long  Avg
Hartsfield    FC  10   125  2   54 12.5
Bennett       FC   6   122  1   92 20.3
Wong        RHIT  10   121  2   39 12.1
Caralla       DC  15    90  0   21  6.0
Davis        MSJ  23    80  1   18  3.5
Fogle         HC  20    79  1   11  4.0
Mason         BU  23    77  0   12  3.3

PASSING      Sch Att-Cmp-Int Yards TD Long
Elbert        HC  44- 22-2     288  2   58
Rupp          FC  14-  9-0     245  2   60
Grimes        MC  18- 10-1     201  3   79
Palmer       MSJ  32- 19-1     161  0   29
Eitel       RHIT  33- 16-0     158  1   25
Thurston      AU  33- 20-1     157  0   23

RECEIVING    Sch Rec Yards TD Long
Mellencamp    FC   3   130  1   60
Thiems        HC   5   105  0   58
Eason       RHIT   7    91  1   25
Jenkins       MC   1    79  1   79
Lovelace      BU   4    71  0   32
Meiner       MSJ   6    70  0   20
Duke          AU   4    55  0   23
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 09:28:25 PM
through play-calling, it doesn't seem that Defiance has much confidence in Vetter...

as Adam said, there was a play that MSJ had pressured him....he spun out toward the right side and blindly threw the ball into the middle of the field where the MSJ OLB should have been....the ball fell harmlessly to the turf but we both kind of noticed and were like  "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!"

The Bengals, Ben, have fallen fast. . . its inconceivable, its disgusting and Marvin needs to pay for it with his job.  Only I HOPE they don't hire some retard like Schula, Coslet, LeBeau. . You've got a franchise QB, a good WR in TJ (one that puts the team first in most cases), a solid offensive line when healthy and Rudy/Watson.  Use Chad as trade bait for a couple of picks and replace him with Henry.  Draft Willie's replacement, draft LB's and a stud DT or DE.  Reverse the course this season has taken them.  


Adam and others,

anyone planning to come to KY for the W&J/TMC tilt this coming Saturday?  I believe that TMORE is going to rise up these last two games. . .they are the playoffs for this young, scrappy team.  The 2nd Freshman QB, Zerhusen (McNicholas) was 24-51 for 310 yards this past Saturday in a loss to Bethany.  Yes, I know. . Bethany.....but TMC is REALLY young.  I'd like to see them get back to running Collier more. . . I think you'll see that on Saturday and the following Saturday.  FB Kyle James will not let TMC go out on a losing note.  

All in all, I think the TMC season, with its ups and downs, has been a success under Hilvert.  They are playing hard and are going to get after it in the offseason, and recruit HARD in Cincy.  Great things are coming, Hilvert has the alums more involved now and AD Terry Conner is 100% behind Hilvert. . add to that Bank of Kentucky Stadium will be done with phase 1 in January and I feel you have program regaining its momentum from the Dean Paul/early Mike Hallett years.   The time is NOW to schedule the Saints, or else you will find yourselves on the wrong side on the scoreboard.  

jacketsfan,

You said something that kind of bothers me. . . none of us are USUALLY at the games that we play "Sunday morning QB". . . don't let anyone stop you from doing that, its what makes this HCAC Page more enjoyable than most of the others.  I look forward to meeting you in the future, even if your allegiances are with Defiance. . . ask DC70, I don't physically attack former DC guys. . .

Lovell, from what i understand, was really hurting. . . he gave them the lift that was needed and his day was over.  The kid obviously means alot to the program and its going to be interesting to see what MSJ does without him next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
Rupp's 9 completions for 245 yards is sick. .

I don't care if you are competing in a 7 on 7 skelly situation, those numbers are just plain filthy. .


I'd be very interested to see what MSJ's long run was yesterday (yes I'm being lazy) but the ex girlfriend has had me doing a list of "honey-do's" all damn day while she was at the mall doing what girls do. .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 28, 2007, 09:44:29 PM
DEFENSE      Sch Solo Ast Tot  TFL/Yds FF FR-Yd INT-Yd PD Blkd Sack/Yds
McCullough    BU    7  12  19  2.5/5       1-0                  2.0/4
Hanover       HC    6  12  18  2.0/10                           1.0/9
Spillman      HC    8   6  14  2.0/16                           2.0/16
Iceman        BU    8   6  14                     1-0   3
Townsell      AU    9   3  12  1.0/1
Deeter        AU    8   3  11  1.0/2
Prosser      MSJ    6   5  11
Klaserner   RHIT    4   6  10  1.0/5                            1.0/5
Spreen      RHIT    4   6  10  3.0/4
Blank        MSJ    4   5   9  1.0/5
Tietje        DC    5   3   8  3.5/9
Depoy         MC    6   2   8  1.0/6                    1
Cass          DC    7       7  1.0/7
Harnish       MC    4   1   5  1.5/10      1-28                 0.5/3
Rulon         FC    4   1   5  1.0/1                            1.0/1
Dimoff      RHIT    4       4                     1-0   2
Dues          DC    2   2   4  1.0/10   1  1-0                  1.0/10
Stautberg    MSJ    4       4                           3
Pickrell      FC    3   2   5  1.0/7                            1.0/7
Rode          BU    1       1  1.0/5              1-86          1.0/5    *Int returned for TD
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 28, 2007, 09:58:51 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
I'd be very interested to see what MSJ's long run was yesterday (yes I'm being lazy)
Davis and Cocanougher each had an 18 yard run.

If I did the math right, Rupp's Pass Efficiency on Saturday is 258.4.  I think "filthy" is about the most accurate description that can be made.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on October 28, 2007, 10:10:44 PM
^ fact
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 28, 2007, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
the ex girlfriend has had me doing a list of "honey-do's" all damn day while she was at the mall doing what girls do. .

she better be freaking Hot  you do know what EX means!!

my father in Law is an ONU grad and went to the game against Mount Union and the starting and 2nd string QB for MUC is around 250 pass efficiency for the SEASON.  you have to get to the 3rd stringer to get down to around 200!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 28, 2007, 11:07:39 PM
Just noticed that Franklin finally broke into D3Football.com's Top 25 at #21.  Finally getting a little respect.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2007, 11:08:21 PM
yep, DC70....ex means "friends with bennies"  


those MUC QBs are good.  Used to be because of "roll pass"  now they execute whatever LK cooks up. . .


Lets see how Franklin handles the DC defense.  Hopefully Dillon can play AND Defiance gets a new NCAA waiver on recruiting QBs in the middle of the season.


the rankings are great, but respect is earned in the playoffs.  Frankly, if Franklin/Defiance/MSJ wins the at large berth and gets monkey-stomped, we're back to where we were at the end of last season and every year previous to it.

Come on Franklin guys, you have to have more to add. . you are two weeks away (with winning out) from having one of the most successful teams in Grizzly History.  I was looking forward to some added intelligent conversation from some of the newcomers on here. 

Speaking of intelligent conversation, where is the voice of Franklin been (victorybell)?  You were the original here (when times weren't so good) , it would be nice to hear what you have to say about the upcoming games. .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 29, 2007, 12:06:05 AM
A 9-1 Franklin team should be seed #4 or #5 in the North.  They probably play CWRU, the only question is where.
An 8-2 Franklin team that wins the AQ probably slips to #6 or #7 and might get a rematch against Wabash.
An 8-2 Franklin team that does not win the AQ does not make the playoffs.

A 9-1 MSJ team should make the playoffs as the #6 or #7 seed in the North.  Unfortunately, the IBC champion (#8 seed) will be more than 500 miles from Alliance.  So, it all depends on how MSJ stacks up against the MIAA champ in the eyes of the committee.  MSJ fans need to root for Olivet to beat Hope to give them that 2nd regional loss.  You don't want to make that trip to MUC.

A 7-3 Defiance team that wins the AQ will be seed #7 or #8 and will play MUC in week 12.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on October 29, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
lets go griz...big games
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2007, 08:33:57 AM
thats what I thought.   you are predictable. 

maybe one of the others that joined up recently isn't a window-licker.  .  .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 29, 2007, 08:39:54 AM
vicotry bell is probably crying in his Blue Moon because he is so nervous trying to lock this thing up.  grow some stones and get back on the board you wont jinx anything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2007, 11:24:38 AM
Huge game this Saturday as the Yellowjackets make the long trek south for a likely beat down at Faught Field. A win and FC wraps up the conference title and a ride to the playoffs.  Look for FC to pour it on these last two weeks if possible to increase the chance of a better seeding.

With that said, DC will not be a pushover. Holding MSJ to ten points on the road suggests that FC will need to be sharp in the passing game as yards on the ground may be hard to come by. Rupp and company will need to play all four quarters in this one.

While the HCAC has not had strong showing in the playoffs, this Franklin team may have a chance to win a game as the attack is balanced. The Franklin running game is the best overall in the conference week in and week out to go along with an outstanding passing attack. The Franklin defense is also strong. (much of the recent offensive stats against the FC "D" has come at the expense of third string players in the late stages of blow-outs.

Looking forward to seeing Franklin hoist the HCAC trophy for the first time this weekend against a solid DC team.  early prediction  FC 35 DC 17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2007, 12:06:56 PM
DC's defense held them to 3 points (I don't blame them for the TD after the muffed punt), but MSJ's primary reciever was out and Lovell played a single series. Again, MSJ has other good WR's and other good HB's, but there is a psychological difference when your primary WR and HB are out.

Altor, I believe CWR will lose to Washington and finish 9-1. Washington was completely blown out by Wheaton (who is on another level in that conference) but beat a very decent North Central team from the CCIW. CWR is undefeated beating nobodies (opponents W-L is 18-43) while Washington has came out to a 6-2 record  playing a better schedule (34-32)  that headlines 2 good teams from the CCIW in Wheaton and North Central as well as a decent Rhodes team who's given Trinity their only loss. It's speculation, but I think Washington is the better team. The only stat that proves otherwise is their games against Carnegie Mellon. CWR won a close game in OT (20-17) while Washington lost in a close game (18-13).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2007, 12:55:01 PM
I think Franklin, 84, is probably the best HCAC has had in a couple years going into the playoffs (offensively).  Though, MSJ also had the best ground game in their years going to the playoffs. 

Whats everyone think?  Great topic. . . Best team in the HCAC in the last 5 years and why?


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 29, 2007, 02:20:07 PM
it is a good debate.  to be successful in the playoffs you have to play D.  the D is not on the same level as Franklin's O.  it is good enough to shutdown HCAC offenses but not sure if that gets you ready to be blunt.

the offense will have to roll with huge numbers to make a dent in the playoffs.  i think a better playoff team would be some of the ones from MSJ with dominating defense and running games.  Hanover did not have much success in years they scored a lot other than the easier against the MIAA.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2007, 02:46:55 PM
I would tend to agree somewhat.  Franklin brings a powerful offense (better balance and scoring than MSJ in the past) and a decent defense (not as stifling as MSJ in the past). However, certainly not the disparity that Hanover used to have with all offense and limited defense. I would rank this FC team in the top 2 in the last 5-6 years. maybe not the best.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2007, 03:55:35 PM
I'm going to go w/ the 2002 Panthers.  They played some good comp., & had a tough battle in the playoffs too. 
On regards to Franklin, they still have to beat DC & that will not be as easy as fc_alum_84 thinks.  If DC's defense continues to put up a solid game & DC's offense doesn't sputter like they did last week, then it will be a much better game than most anticipate. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 29, 2007, 04:01:19 PM
Typed all this in once and somehow did not get it posted.

So here goes again. I did not get to see the Hanover 2002 & 2003 teams but did get to see the last three MSJ teams. I used some of the HCAC conference statistics only for my rankings.

1. 2002 Hanover - Lost to Wittenberg in the playoffs 34 - 33, in the HCAC stats they were ranked #1 in both scoring offense and scoring defense and #1 in total offense and #4 in total defense.

2. 2004 MSJ - Lost to Wheaton in playoffs 31 - 7, in the HCAC stats they were ranked #1 in scoring offense & #2 in scoring defense and #2 in total offense & #1 in total defense.

3. 2003 Hanover - Lost to Baldwin-Wallace in the playoffs 54 - 32, in the HCAC stats they were ranked #1 in scoring offense & #4 in scoring defense and #2 in total offense and #4 in total defense.

4. 2005 MSJ - Lost to Mount Union in playoffs 49 - 6, in the HCAC stats they were ranked #1 in both scoring offense & in scoring defense and #4 in total offense & #2 in total defense.

5. 2006 MSJ - Lost to Wheaton in playoffs 42 - 28, in the HCAC stats they were ranked #2 in scoring offense &  #1 in scoring defense and #3 in total offense & #2 in total defense.

I left this years Franklin team out because the seasons is not vore and I did not want to Jinx them. At this point in conference play the are ranked are ranked #1 in scoring offense and #3 in scoring defense and #1 in total offense and #3 in total defense. This team can put up points so quickly that it is scary. Also, I believe their defense is better than what some teams give them credit for. About half the points they have given up in conference play have been when the starters were out of the game because the games were out of reach at that point.

If Franklin goes out takes care of business the rest of this year then I think you could rank them right up there with #1 or #2. This is just one persons opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2007, 04:02:41 PM
DC is going to face a full out passing attack to go along with a solid run game.  I look for DC to put up a great fight thru the first half and FC pull away in the second half. Similar to MSJ game.  Based on what I know of DC, FC is deeper. That and having the game at home with everything on the line, I see no let down.  Remember FC put up 28 on MSJ on the road. (273 yards rushing to boot).  I still say it will be somewhere in the 35-17 range.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2007, 04:11:12 PM
nice post, KY Grizzly.  . i agree with you. 


I believe the ability to score quickly makes Franklin a scary team.  Though I'm not buying the defensive argument here.  FC has played one playoff team, though they amassed 447 yards of offense that day....they also gave up 550.  On one hand, thats early on in the season, but on the other hand its exactly the type of offense they'll face should they complete their 2007 run through the HCAC. 

I'm not going off the points given up during conference play this year.  Frankly, I think you can throw all the games out except against MSJ and DC.  The HCAC games have been contests where Franklin has been able to assess their talent in their youngsters. 

They gave up only 19 points to MSJ and we'll see about DC.  I believe the Jackets are going to make FC earn their points and yards.  Its not going to be the basketball games that took place against Manchester, Bluffton and Anderson. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2007, 04:33:53 PM
I know I'm biased, but the best MSJ team was our 2004 team. Not only because we went 10-0, but I think that team was the most complete. We had a senior led O-line, great running game (two 1st team HCAC runningbacks), Andy Wellendorf, and a bada$$ defense (would have been nice to keep Big E and Pat). I realize it could have been a lot worse, but give us an average QB and we play with Wheaton!

We averaged over 176 yards per game on the ground. That doesn't seem like much, but Coach Mac didn't start running a run-first offense till the 4th game of the year. Starting with Hanover (last 7 games), our lowest Run total outside of Manchester (Our JV's were playing by halftime) was 185 yards against Franklin. We rushed for over 200 yards five times and 300 yards twice. What makes that more astounding is everyone knew exactly what we were going to do....Pound The Rock and we still did it.

Comparing the FC run game this year against ours in 2004 is rediculous. FC has better balance and overall offense, but we had the better run game and better defense.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2007, 04:51:56 PM
We will see on saturday.  I am standing on 35 points against DC for Franklin and over 150 yards rushing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2007, 06:54:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2007, 04:33:53 PM


Comparing the FC run game this year against ours in 2004 is rediculous. FC has better balance and overall offense, but we had the better run game and better defense.




PTR mofo. . I'd have to agree.  When a team can impose its will on teams that KNOW what they are going to do. . its something entirely different. .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 29, 2007, 10:35:42 PM
gotta hit the road for a few days so i wont be able to get into my normal banter.  Franklin can kiss my arse what do we have to loose...besides our manhood behind a 50pt whoopin.  might as well treat it lik a brawl and bring the a game and go grab a ring too.

screw Franklin this one is not wrapped up yet!!


that should help get it going
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 29, 2007, 11:13:27 PM
any team with jourdan and deitz deserve some recognition for sure. hard to cover that passing combo, and if you did you were burned elsewhere. great combo.

i think this year's FC team has a solid defense with some high powered offense to go along with the D. they should represent the HCAC well if they can get past DC. if they do finish strong, look for a good showing in the playoffs to make the HCAC proud.

i still would have liked to see MSJ win a few playoffs games, i thought they were awful tough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2007, 08:43:10 AM
11 more days SaintsFan...11 more days  ;D

Recaping the Bengals... ::)

1. I think Marvin needs to go. He has failed to build a respectable defense in the 4 years he has been here. I know they are struggling with injuries this year, but the previous 4 years have been just as bad. I also believe he fails to get the most out of this team. We have an All Pro QB, the best recieving trio in the NFL (once Henry comes back), and until now, Rudi has been Mr. Dependable. To finish 8-8, three of fours years is unacceptable. Then again, it just relates the message of how bad our defense has been.

2. This team is really hurting with injuries but every team has injury problems. You gain depth by using the draft effectively. The Bengals haven't done that. David Pollack was a freak accident, but there is no excuse to be starting pracice squad LB's in an NFL game. The same goes for the O-Line. They did bring in a replacement for Willi Anderson (Whitworth) but he has failed to become anything more than a replacement. Bobby Williams is too fat go get into a stance and our center is too undersized to block larger NT's.

3. At the very end of the game, when the Steelers were running out the clock, there was a 3rd and 2. The Bengals defense got penetration but were blown back by the RB to give up the first down. Effort. There isn't much of it. I looked at my buddies and said that play symbolizes the whole Bengal's season.

4. They are also lacking basic fundamentals. I have said for years Justin Smith isn't very good. Everyone disagrees. Watch him play. He's not quick enough to be a pass rush DE, he consistently loses contain, and can't stay in a pass lane. He has never accumulated double digit sacks. They don't break down, can't tackle well, and can't persue...they screw stuff up you learn in youth football. Ben side-stepped blitzes time after time because the rusher didn't break down and we missed tackle after tackle.

I believe someone said Notre Dame could score on the Bengals defense. I'll take it further. Temple or Duke could score on the Bengals defense. Hell, Navy might stand a chance. All they do is run and we can't stop the run.



I heard an announcer say Tom Brady is single handedly changing the philosophy of the NFL. Wow. I want to almost agree.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2007, 08:44:51 AM
Speaking of Navy...Could this be the year? And if it is, how will the Notre Dame faithful treat Charlie Weis?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 08:45:49 AM
What is Tom Brady doing that Peyton Manning hasn't been doing for the last few years? Brady finally has three good receivers at the same time to go with a solid defense.  So does the Colts?  East Coast media bias maybe??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 30, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Sayer, I agree with you on Number 4

It all so hurts your team when your draft picks get suspended for inapropriate behavior and arrest.   Reffering back to your pt of #1, who picks these guys and who is supposed to keep them in line.

Why did we franchise tag Justin Smith instead of going out and trying to Jason Taylor?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 30, 2007, 10:45:18 AM
There's VERY much an east coast bias in the NFL.  Go Colts on Saturday.  I hope they get a chance to run it up on the Patriots.


Sayer, I hope this isn't Navy's year.  Their bad loss last week to Delaware, I think will show ND what gameplan they need to use. 

If they lose this weekend to the Midshipmen, you're going to see upheaval in South Bend...as they Honeymoon will officially be over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2007, 11:12:23 AM
Tom Brady isn't doing what Peyton Manning did. He's blowing up what peyton Manning has already done. He's on pace to pass for 60 TD's and a Qb rating of 136. That's above and beyong Peyton Manning.

Did anyone else know that Troy Aikman's season high for TD's was only 23?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2007, 11:16:01 AM
SaintsFAN:

If that happens, do you think that Weis will get the "heave-ho"?  Or will they give him another year?  Seems to me, they should be consistent with how they've treated/handled some of the previous coaches, but then again, you never know. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 11:23:15 AM
I agree that statistically Brady is doing more of what Manning has been doing but he not doing anything any different other than his receivers are catching more balls and running for more yards.  The question is why is this happening.  NE IMO just has the perfect mix of a top notch offensive line, good QB and top receivers to go along with a good defense.  The remaining question is how good is the Colts defense against NE. The Pats have not faced a top defense yet that can pressure the QB.  Can NE run if the pass is shut down?  Most likely they will beat the Colts (I am a Colts season ticket holder  sold three seats in the upper sidelines for 300 each btw) but I dont see that they are innovative.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 11:46:51 AM
FC amd MSJ move into AFCA DIII poll.  still not sure why MSJ is ranked ahead of FC but most likely due to lack of analysis of head to head (particularly that far down the list)


1. Mount Union (Ohio) (39) 8-0 997 1 D. No. 14 Capital (Ohio), 37-0 Nov. 3 at John Carroll (Ohio) 
2. St. John's (Minn.) (1) 9-0 936 3 D. St. Thomas (Minn.), 51-34 Nov. 10 at Bethel (Minn.) 
3. Wis.-Whitewater 7-1 935 4 D. No. 2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas), 41-14 Nov. 3 at Wis.-Stout
4. Wheaton (Ill.) 8-0 875 5 D. Elmhurst (Ill.), 48-7 Nov. 3 vs. Carthage (Wis.) 
5. Central (Iowa) 9-0 827 6 D. Cornell (Iowa), 40-14 Nov. 10 at No. 14 Wartburg (Iowa) 
6. Washington & Jefferson (Pa.) 8-0 782 7 D. No. 21 Waynesburg (Pa.), 22-21 Nov. 3 at Thomas More (Ky.) 
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)  7-1 726 2 Lost to No. 4 Wis.-Whitewater, 41-14 Nov. 3 vs. East Texas Baptist
8. Wabash (Ind.) 8-0 706 9 D. Wooster (Ohio), 21-0 Nov. 3 vs. Denison (Ohio) 
9. Wesley (Del.) 8-1 681 11 D. No. 8 Salisbury (Md.), 20-13 Nov. 10 at Morrisville St. (N.Y.) 
10. St. John Fisher (N.Y.) 8-1 635 10 D. Utica (N.Y.), 38-0 Nov. 10 vs. No. 22 Alfred (N.Y.) 
11. St. Norbert (Wis.) 9-0 507 15 D. Beloit (Wis.), 55-9 Nov. 3 at Illinois College
12. Muhlenberg (Pa.) 8-0 485 17 D. Dickinson (Pa.), 29-24 Nov. 3 at Ursinus (Pa.) 
13. Rensselaer (N.Y.) 7-0 480 16 D. Worcester Tech (Mass.), 21-14 (2OT) Nov. 3 vs. Rochester (N.Y.) 
14. Wartburg (Iowa) 7-1 438 18 D. Simpson (Iowa), 41-5 Nov. 3 at Cornell (Iowa) 
15. Salisbury (Md.) 8-1 428 8 Lost No. 11 Wesley (Del.), 20-13 Nov. 10 vs. Frostburg St. (Md.) 
16. Trinity (Texas) 7-1 387 20 D. Millsaps (Miss.), 28-24 Nov. 3 vs. Centre (Ky.) 
17. Bethel (Minn.) 7-1 325 23 D. Hamline (Minn.), 28-13 Nov. 2 vs. Augsburg (Minn.) 
18. College of New Jersey 7-1 289 25 D. Cortland St. (N.Y.), 30-0 Nov. 3 at Buffalo St. (N.Y.) 
19. Linfield (Ore.) 5-2 236 24 D. Menlo (Calif.), 37-6 Nov. 3 at Whitworth (Wash.) 
20. Capital (Ohio) 6-2 216 14 Lost to No. 1 Mount Union (Ohio), 37-0 Nov. 3 at Muskingum (Ohio) 
21. Case Western Reserve (Ohio) 8-0 184 NR D. Chicago (Ill.), 35-3 Nov. 3. vs. Washington (Mo.) 
22. Alfred (N.Y.) 7-1 149 13 Lost to Hobart (N.Y.), 41-22 Nov. 3 at Ithaca (N.Y.) 
23. Mount St. Joseph (Ohio) 7-1 129 NR D. Defiance (Ohio), 10-0 Nov. 3 at Bluffton (Ohio) 
24. Franklin (Ind.) 7-1 106 NR D. Manchester (Ind.), 52-33 Nov. 3 vs. Defiance (Ohio) 
25. Waynesburg (Pa.) 7-1 102 21 Lost to No. 7 Washington & Jefferson (Pa.), 22-21
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 30, 2007, 12:06:03 PM
I agree with Sayer. The 2004 team that MSJ had was a great team, with a good offensive coach, who put points up on the board. The Defense was good, and they had a great group of SR leadership! The Mount has always had some good defense, but to add an offense with that is scary. I would take the Mount 2003 defense though! If the offense would had put up some numbers like teams after them, then it would have been a more productive year. Defense was on the field in some games too long! Dietz was a good qb, but the 2003 game with MSJ came down to FG, and there was a suspect call of Pass Interference, on 3rd down home field advantage!
That year Anderson was really the only game that there was no chance, even though MSJ went up 7-0, but never got anything going after that. Steele was a great QB. I think the All-Star game in Mexico, could use a lot more people from the HCAC down there, amazing dorf did not go, its funny meeting people from all across the country, who played on successful teams etc, Just a thought!

As far, as Marvin Lewis. I agree that the heat is on him, but if they had an owner, who would be willing to spend some money on the big name free agents; then maybe, just maybe the defense could have gotten Warren Sapp, before he went to Oakland; the Defensive Line stinks; the Secondary is awful, and the Linebackers could be the strength of the team, if they were not hurt or suspended. Marvin has just lost control of this team, and the offense is not putting up big numbers! They are losing confidence in Chad Johnson; like the Lakers are losing face with Kobe! The Bengals are a damn embarrassment! Did you listen to Carson Palmer interview "We have great leadership in the locker room, and no one points the finger" ha bullsh**

its a damn rain storm down here on the west coast, where is the sun???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 30, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Also I think the FC and DC game will be a good one, depending on what the mind state of DC will be, they lost a tough one, its seems like they have a good defense over at DC, and FC has a great offense, something has to give, either FC offense rolls all over DC defense, or DC defense stops FC offense, great game. My overall view is DC will hang for awhile. beacuse their will be alot of emotion built up for the game, but FC will pull it out in the 2nd half score: FC 28, DC 14, no upset here! MSJ 45, BC 7. MSJ tune up game before facing Hillvert and those TMC Boys. Hillvert will run his 4-4 defense, and bring pressure from the outside with his LB, he will play alot of cover 2, which will leave the middle open!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 12:52:00 PM
Taking a look at the regional rankings coupled with the D3 and AFCA rankings.  It appears Wabash is a solid # 3 seed and Franklin is slotted around 6. Possibly a rematch looms in 3 weeks?

MSJ may still be in the running for a 7 or 8 seed due to rankings, etc.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 30, 2007, 01:00:15 PM
Capital took their 2nd loss on Saturday.  They will be behind Franklin and possibly behind MSJ when the regional rankings come out tomorrow.  I'm serious when I say Franklin is a #4 or #5 at the moment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
All a 4 or 5 gets you is a direct path to a road game with Mt Union. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 30, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
But it does get you a better chance at a Round 1 victory.  A 6 or 7 seed would have to go through both Wabash and Wheaton on the road before getting to MUC.  That's certainly not an easy task, though it might be easier than beating MUC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 01:42:35 PM
this is from SMEDINDY on the North Coast Athletic board (Wabash):

Regional rankings are all that will matter in seeding, for the most part.

As I see it, the North seedings now would be:
1. Mount Union
2. Wheaton (Ill.)
3. Wabash
4. Case Western Reserve
5. Franklin
6. Mount St. Joseph
7. Hope
8. Concordia / Lakeland (Don't know the IBC tie-breaker)

But, the NCAA may move it to this based on travel:

Mt. U - Mt. St. Joe
Wheaton - IBC winner
Wabash - Hope
Case - Franklin

Bottom Line: MSJ still has a lot to play for. FC holds the advantage on strength of schedule and head to head (to win conference) but MSJ still has life.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 30, 2007, 01:46:24 PM
First of all for all of you Bengals fans, you can all stop complaining.  It is the same thing I say to all of my Patriots fans when the whine about not winning the Super Bowl every year.  Being a Lions fan, I feel that you can start complaining when you have a history like that.  Example 1 playoff win...EVER & never been to a Super Bowl & not have a winning season since 2000!!!  
Yes I do know they are currently 5-2 & happy about it, but I'm still going to be a little shakey till I see them put 8 wins.
On regards to the Patriots, they are just gross & if someone does beat them this year I will be impressed.
Concerning the playoffs, if Fraklin does so happen beat DC & win out, I would think they could at least be 4 seed if Wabash & MSJ finish 10-0 & 9-1.  Also MSJ I would think has a pretty good shot at making the playoffs as an 8 seed.  I still would like DC to beat Franklin of course so hopefully it does not work out w/ Franklin being an 8 seed anyway. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2007, 01:58:14 PM
dc, IF MSJ makes the playoffs at all (as a C) they will most assuredly NOT be the 8th seed.  I can't recall any pool B or C team as an 8th seed - that spot seems annually reserved for AQs who are not in the rankings at all.  In the North, 7 and 8 are annually 'reserved' for the winners of the MIAA and IBC (in whichever order).  With CUW getting stomped by Greenville on Saturday, that pattern seems pretty certain to continue this year.  (Obviously, there have been exceptional years when an MIAA or IBC champ was seeded higher, but that has been the norm lately.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2007, 03:36:31 PM
If Franklin does get a 5 and plays CWR, the HCAC will win their first playoff game in a long while. I don't think CWR is good. They are beating up on nobodies. The W-L of their opponents is 18-43. Does that not stand out to anyone else? Statistically, the best team they have played is Carnegie Mellon who is 4-4 and they needed OT to win. FC will travel to Cleveland and kick the daylights out of that team.

Altor, I have a question. What happens if CWR loses and goes 9-1. Then who will get in?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 30, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
If CWR loses FC may get a #4 seed and a home game (assuming they can win out).  I cant see them getting less than a 5 now that the new rankings are out.  A six might send them back to Wabash
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 30, 2007, 04:28:35 PM
Even if CWRU wins out, why would they be slotted ahead of Franklin (if they win out)?  They shouldn't get a higher seed based upon been undefeated. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2007, 04:40:58 PM
... because?

Check the playoff criteria. In the FAQ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 30, 2007, 04:50:55 PM
Can you be a bit more specific on that? I went to the plaoffs FAQ, but couldn't determine the answer that I was looking for.  So basically which # in the FAQ's am I looking at?
SaintsFan- you have a message.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2007, 06:40:25 PM
How are at-large teams determined, something like that. Same criteria are used to rank teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2007, 08:17:23 AM
hasbeen,

got it.  thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 31, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2007, 03:36:31 PM
Altor, I have a question. What happens if CWR loses and goes 9-1. Then who will get in?
IMO, CWRU is in trouble in this scenario.  First, they will be stacked up in Pool B.  Four 1-loss teams trying for 3 bids.  If they are left as the odd-man-out, they move to Pool C, which is even more unclear.  A lot depends on how many 1-loss teams are in Pool C on Nov 10.

A CWRU loss moves both Franklin and MSJ up in the seeding.  Franklin becomes a solid #4, MSJ probably a #5 or #6.  Don't worry...they won't play each other in the first round, regardless.  Franklin probably hosts Hope while MSJ goes to Wabash.  If CWRU is in, they are the #7, but have to go to MUC (the IBC champ is probably too far away from Alliance for a 1st round game).  If CWRU is not in, perhaps they will move Waynesburg into the North.  Or, maybe Capital gets a reprieve.

There's a lot that can go down that will mess all this up.  If a couple conference leaders lose their first game in the next couple weeks and end up in Pool C (like last year)...we could have more 1-loss teams sitting at home for week 12.  If some of these 1-loss, 2nd place teams take a 2nd loss, we could get a couple 2-loss teams in the playoffs.  Also, how would the committee stack a 1-loss CWRU against a 2-loss Capital (or the multitude of other 2-loss teams, for that matter)?  I know who I would pick, but I'm not on the committee.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2007, 01:53:26 PM
altor, don't forget the MIAA.  I'd say that their AQ (Hope or Olivet) will 'battle' the IBC AQ for 7th and 8th seed.  (Assuming no one gets moved out of the region, of course.)

I'm dubious that there is room for BOTH a 9-1 Case AND a pool C from the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 31, 2007, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2007, 06:40:25 PM
How are at-large teams determined, something like that. Same criteria are used to rank teams.

Wasn't Wheaton an at-large team in 2004 (Carthage was the AQ I believe)? They finished 9-1 while we finished 10-0 and were seeded ahead of us. I don't get why that couldn't happen again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 31, 2007, 05:15:13 PM
Looking at the ways thinsg play out, it seems possible a 2 loss team could get an at large bid. How often does that happen?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 31, 2007, 05:30:27 PM
I didn't forget Hope.  I just have them as a #7 at the moment, moving up to #6 if CWRU loses.  You have to remember Hope is 5-1 at the moment in the eyes of the committee.  Two of their losses are out of region and "don't count."  That puts them head and shoulders above Concordia or whoever comes out of the IBC.

There probably is not room for both a 9-1 Case and a 9-1 MSJ, which is why I said CWRU is in trouble if they don't win out.

Here are the OWP and OOWP numbers from the strength of schedule page.  I've chosen the 10 schools from the regional poll plus the current MIAA and IBC leaders:
School          Record  OWP    OOWP
Wheaton (Ill.)  8-0     0.568  0.595
Wabash          8-0     0.562  0.553
Mount Union     8-0     0.464  0.536
CWRU            6-0     0.387  0.546
Mt. St. Joseph  7-1     0.557  0.511
Franklin        7-1     0.552  0.506
Hope            5-1     0.614  0.508
Capital         6-2     0.613  0.517
Wittenberg      6-2     0.591  0.563
North Central   6-2     0.565  0.545
Ill Wesleyan    6-2     0.536  0.590
Concordia WI    6-3     0.389  0.471


CWRU has the worst OWP in the list.  If they don't get the Pool B bid, they have trouble getting the Pool C bid.  It also supports my assertions that Hope grades out better than Concordia and that my seedings of Franklin and MSJ are justified.

Also, new regional rankings came out today.  Capital did fall to #7, behind Franklin and MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 01, 2007, 08:38:06 AM
All of this what ifs and crunching numbers is hurting my head.  There are still two weeks left to play football in which anything can happen.  To early to tell.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2007, 10:06:47 AM
amen, M&L.


I know one thing...the AFC Poll means squat. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 01, 2007, 12:09:26 PM
With all of the questioning going on w/ D1 about teams get ranked higher based upon their rep, do you think that happens in DIII playoff selection too?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2007, 01:54:49 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 01, 2007, 12:09:26 PM
With all of the questioning going on w/ D1 about teams get ranked higher based upon their rep, do you think that happens in DIII playoff selection too?

In theory, no - the selection criteria are pretty cut-and-dried.

In practice, probably - if the selection criteria are extremely close with one team ahead on 2-3, behind on the others.  The selection criteria do NOT spell out the relative weighting of the various factors, allowing subjectivity (e.g., reputation) a slight crack into the process.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 01, 2007, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 01, 2007, 12:09:26 PM
With all of the questioning going on w/ D1 about teams get ranked higher based upon their rep, do you think that happens in DIII playoff selection too?

Of, course!  When it comes to selection the weeker Conferences are always getting screwed like the HCAC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 01, 2007, 04:55:58 PM
Filling out report cards is hurting my head.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 01, 2007, 06:04:11 PM
I'm right there w/ you Sayer! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 02, 2007, 07:23:05 AM
filling out report cards!  Get with the 20th century.  Do it electronically!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2007, 12:22:01 PM
Sayer,

Check your messages.


Anyone interested in going to W&J AT Thomas More tomorrow afternoon?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 02, 2007, 05:07:34 PM
M&L Great Advice, there is this company called Microsoft and they have this application called Excel does averages, subtotals formatting and all sorts of cool stuff.  ask one of your students they can likely show you.

or pick up a book read it and do it in access it will create sweet little reports and even generate the "Dear Father of dumbass your son is flunking letters" automatically
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2007, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: M and L on November 01, 2007, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 01, 2007, 12:09:26 PM
With all of the questioning going on w/ D1 about teams get ranked higher based upon their rep, do you think that happens in DIII playoff selection too?

Of, course!  When it comes to selection the weeker Conferences are always getting screwed like the HCAC

How many playoff games has this conference won? One game against a conference winless in the automatic bid era.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 03, 2007, 02:26:35 PM
Whoa... Franklin 55  Defiance 22 with 5:23 left;  Rupp is still playing?  Thought they might have learned a lesson from the Wabash game regarding starting QBs...

Wheaton losing to Carthage - hmmmm...might make Pool C very interesting
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2007, 04:02:12 PM
All I can say is WOW!!! :o   Good luck in the playoffs Franklin
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 03, 2007, 04:07:20 PM
Congrats Grizzlies - strong game and good run-up to "that other" bell game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 03, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
damn that is one heck of an offense...672 yds, 8.8 per play average, 55 pts - 42 by half.  other wierd stat Vetter 8 of 30 for 105 with 2int.  you cant be much more lopsided in the passing game between 2 squads than that.

congrats franklin do some more damage

fyi chris wells is a stud and bucky badger is his ho
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2007, 05:38:08 PM
Just got back from the post game tailgate action at FC.  55-22 beatdown and it was worse than that to be honest. But I will say this:  the DC head coach is a class act   he came over and addressed the FC team  congratulated all and wished them well in the playoffs.  Great moment and I have a nice pic (wife took) of both coaches shaking hands after he addressed team.  What it is all about, etc.

FC is for real and anyone in the HCAC that thinks otherwise is looking through rose colored glasses.  Sorry MSJ but your beating three weeks ago was the real deal.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2007, 08:46:00 PM
Pat- my ? was not directed at the HCAC it was directed at all of DIII teams.  Also, rankings shouldn't be based on a teams past history, considering it has nothing to do w/ the current team.  Plus the north region has had some tough competition in it as well.

fc_alum_84- has anyone questioned Franklin on being a good team or being, "for real" or are you just trying to stir things up on the board?

To the rest of Franklin, again, congrats & don't slip up against Hanover next week & MSJ as well playing TMC.  I could see two HCAC possibly getting in & coming away w/ some victories too.  I guess we will see here pretty soon.

Lets go Jackets!  Knock of the Beavers & finish strong. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 03, 2007, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2007, 05:38:08 PM
FC is for real and anyone in the HCAC that thinks otherwise is looking through rose colored glasses.
Considering the beatdown FC gave to everyone this year, I don't think anybody is going to say otherwise.  Now, finish it off against Hanover and then give the same beatdown in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 03, 2007, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2007, 12:24:35 PM
How many playoff games has this conference won? One game against a conference winless in the automatic bid era.
Pat, you know better than that.  Past performance in the playoffs is not in the selection criteria.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 04, 2007, 01:07:48 AM
They didn't exactly beat down MSJ. They won the game and it could be argued MSJ lost the game rather than FC winning it. Who knows what happens if MSJ doesn't fumble going into the endzone right before halftime.  Congrats on winning the HCAC, FC has a GOOD team, but don't go running your mouth. Act like you've been there before...oh wait, you havn't.

SaintsFan, sorry about missing the game. I would have rather watched that than listen to trainers talk about concussions and dehydration. So...is Charlie Weis in the frying pan yet, or are the ND faithful just turning on the heat?

Go Ducks. If Oregon doesn't jump LSU in the pools, the NCAA is a travis-sham-mockery. They absolutely beat down Arizona State (Dixon is officially the Heisman front runner) while LSU was AGAIN lucky playing Alabama. The QB should be shot losing that ball like he did late in the 4th. Alabama still had a chance but the WR's forgot how to catch

Beanie Wells is a man amongst boys. Someone that big shouldn't be able to run like that. It just shouldn't be humanly possible.

Deer Park layed the smack down in their playoff game beating CHCA 41-14. They now get to travel and take on the defending State Champs, Marion Local who beat Miami East, 37-0.  Channel 5 kept referring to Deer Park as simply...The Park (Everyone loves DP). As the Great American, Willi Cunningham says, it don't matter who you are or what division...the state championship comes through Deer Park :) Damn right!

PTR

BRIDGE BOWL 2007!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 04, 2007, 02:18:44 AM
great win griz, if anyone knows how i got home please let me know. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 09:20:41 AM
Adam:  So what did FC do to DC?  42-15 at half and 672 yards of offense (272 on the ground) is not a beat down?  I am sorry but maybe we could term it a blowout, a$$ kicking, old fashion whipping, etc etc. Gimme a break.  DC got blasted and the all american wide receiver was generally held in check. If it weren't for the solid running of the DC QB the spread would have been worse.  I was there for all 60 minutes and FC beat DC is every facet of the game.

Bottom line: FC owns the HCAC this year and any amount of sugar coating isnt going to change it.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 04, 2007, 09:39:37 AM
Uh-Oh-Adam's G onna get you
FC has alot of football tp play yet, dont let your OLD mouth write a check your A** cant cash.
You talk big, considering FC has Never Been HERE B 4!!
Be Humble,Be Very Humble!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 10:15:48 AM
If the decorum on the board requires undertanding what a specific poster or two preferences are then I will will leave the board to the three of four people who tend to dominate most of the posts.  Franklin has been humbled for years at the likes of Hanover and DC and recently MSJ. If my post from yesterday is not up to the standards so be it. 

I have never once mentioned what Frankin might do or not do in the playoffs.  I will be politically correct and predict a toss-up down at Hanover.  Maybe that will help soothe the sensitive nerves of a few folks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 10:19:32 AM
Another thing, my comment related to beat down was related to DC not MSJ oh annointed Mr Sayer.  Franklin simply won on the road at MSJ by 11 points. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 04, 2007, 11:18:41 AM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2007, 05:38:08 PM
Just got back from the post game tailgate action at FC.  55-22 beatdown and it was worse than that to be honest. But I will say this:  the DC head coach is a class act   he came over and addressed the FC team  congratulated all and wished them well in the playoffs.  Great moment and I have a nice pic (wife took) of both coaches shaking hands after he addressed team.  What it is all about, etc.

FC is for real and anyone in the HCAC that thinks otherwise is looking through rose colored glasses.  Sorry MSJ but your beating three weeks ago was the real deal.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 04, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
YOU signaled out Adam in your post, dont make this all so personal.
  BUTT since you did open your mouth and Fc is the real deal in the HCAC please do give us your predictions on how bad of a smackdown FC is going to do in the 1st rounds. beat down or whatever!
  Were you at the FC- MSJ game? I was and I HAVE a DVD that shows a blown call when the kid from MSJ was IN the end zone prior to half time, under FAIR refs it would have been ruled a TD. Adam needs to come INTO the stadium and quit watching from the hill that is 100 yards from the end zone in question.
  If you want we can meet at Maloaneys and ill load up my DVD and we can go play by play and you will see, maybe not, that the REFS blew this game and robbed MSJ of a score.
  Like I said there is alot of football yet to be played, those first rounds can be brutal, JUST QUIT TALKING SMACK about FC WHO HAS NEVER BEEN HERE B4!
be humble be very very humble. And grow some thick skin.
You dont read any Mount Union guys coming in here and beating their chest? settle down, pride goes before a fall, and you could be setting yourself up for a big fall.
WE ALL HERE AT THE HCAC WANT A HCAC team to win all the marbles!
And thats all I got to say about that!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 04, 2007, 12:09:16 PM
Anyways, there is still one week left & FC & MSJ need to win out big as well as their nonconference teams too.  It would be great to see two HCAC schools in the playoffs as we mentioned a thousand times.  I am curious now to see what the playoff seeding will be w/ Wheaton losing this past Saturday.  I would still think that the playoff comittee would still rank Wheaton ahead of Franklin.   I would guess right now it would look like this:
1 Mount Union
2 Wabash
3 Wheaton
4 Case
5 Franklin
6 MSJ
7 Concordia
8 MIAA (Hope, Olivet, or Alma)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 04, 2007, 12:42:46 PM
hurler, let's just stop the debbie downer syndrome. you would think you would be happy for the FC family who have been suffering since Red Faught retired, and the program went into the ground quickly with a former alum who refused to run with previous success. they have been outclassed for years until Mike Leonard was able to right the ship and put a team on the field that the HCAC could be proud of, the alums could be proud of, and that the city could be proud of.

i wish the entire Grizzly squad much success against the panthers in the bell game. let's not forget the years of beatings the formers grizzlies took before you guys took it to the next level. it's a rivalry game, so let's treat it as such.

and hey, you haven't been in the D3 playoffs before, so???? so go out there and let's find out how good this group can be. just because you haven't been there before doesn't mean you should take a back seat to anybody.

great article on the OL at FC. i couldn't be happier for the squad as they get ready to make a new history of football success at Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 04, 2007, 12:44:08 PM
i just read the rest of your post. nevermind, i thought you were being debbie downer. if all you are saying is get your mind right to play and execute, then cool. i'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 04, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
First of all, congrats to the Grizz for winning their first ever conference. Great job! Keep it up in the post season, now.

fc_alum_84, most of us "old timers" have been posting here for years. We've hung in there with our teams through good times and bad times. During all this time, Victory bell has been the only poster representing Franklin here, and that was before Franklin was an HCAC power. Nothing wrong with honking your team's horn, but when a poster such as yourself doesn't even get on the bandwagon and start posting until the year the team becomes an obvious HCAC winner, it tends to rub us old timers' rhubarb the wrong way. Like the man said, pride goeth before a fall. The HCAC is a weak conference this year - pretty much across the board with the exception of Franklin. How would Franklin measure up playing in a conference with a bunch of teams that weren't in the basement? I'm not trying to take anything away from them. I think Coach Leonard has done a superb job. I hope they make it past the first round of the playoffs. But before you come around here shooting your mouth off to a bunch of guys who've been here together through thick and thin, learn some respect or you'll end up like a couple of other johnny-come-lately posters with verbal diarrhea over the past few years - writing posts that no one acknowledges until you eventually get the message your company isn't particularly welcomed by anyone. Getting all gleeful and rubbing your hands together and bragging about beat-downs and ass whippings on teams that clearly aren't in your league this season is unseemly. Will you stick around and brag the next time Franklin goes through a dry spell, which it ultimately will? I don't think so because you weren't here for the last one.

By the way, the All American wide receiver you were dissing has an injury from last week's game at MSJ so don't get too pumped up about holding him in check. He didn't do too shabby of a job for an injured player. He might've given your defense problems galore had he been uninjured and up to snuff.

Tough loss yesterday, DC. Man up and get ready for next year. It ain't over yet. You've got some great talent there, you were just a little inexperienced this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on November 04, 2007, 01:28:24 PM
FC dominated DC, that was clear. The "All-American" got away with a lot of push offs and didnt look like hey was having any problem with those injuries. Maybe he was tho i dont know. But big game coming up next week at HC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 04, 2007, 01:45:03 PM
since Hurlers has DVD video evidence we shall appeal to the NCAA and they can be awarded the TD for Hurler and MSJ still looses by 4 but no one has to admit to a beat down...except DC becuase we did take a beatdown yesterday.

another wild stat, look at the points for an against for Mount Union this year.  they have pitched a shutout since September.  their offense gets tons of attention but could their defense be even better??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 04, 2007, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: altor on November 03, 2007, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2007, 05:38:08 PM
FC is for real and anyone in the HCAC that thinks otherwise is looking through rose colored glasses.
Considering the beatdown FC gave to everyone this year, I don't think anybody is going to say otherwise.  Now, finish it off against Hanover and then give the same beatdown in the playoffs.


This is what I was talking about.  The DC game was a beat down...yes, but not MSJ...which is what I believe Altor was leaning towards, though he didn't say it specifically. It was nothing you said FC_84. I will apologize because I thought the comment from Altor was by you (he was commenting on a quote by yourself). Hence, it came off to me as if you were tooting your horn and celebrating like it was 1988 again.

Regardless if he was in the endzone or he fumbled, the bottom line is MSJ didn't get the TD. If they go into half leading 14-7, it changes momentum and changes the playcalling at the end. Remember, MSJ went for 2 and didn't get it and they lost by 9. It's all ifs and buts and doesn't mean much and Maybe FC still wins, but the games's momentum definately changed after that play.

I gave FC congrats (ask JacketsFan about our conversation during the summer about MSJ and my concerns about having a new staff, new schemes, etc.) I believe I even said on here in the beginning that FC should be the favorite due to the changes at MSJ. I consider this to be an overacheivement by MSJ's coaching staff because it is damn hard to lose half a coaching staff from a 3 time conference champ, implemement new schemes, and get a team to adhere to new philosophies and really, not miss a beat. It's a tribute to the players and the coaches Rod brought int. SO...even though they didn't win the HCAC outright, they still have a shot to finish 9-1 and make the playoffs. Good luck in the playoffs, but as you will find, it's a different animal. This year things seem to be setting up great for the HCAC Champ (great for the conference as a whole).  So far you dont have to worry about playing the OAC or Wheaton in the 1st round. I'd take CWR anyday because I dont think they are that good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 04, 2007, 02:13:42 PM
Quote from: hurler on November 04, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
You dont read any Mount Union guys coming in here and beating their chest?

They just show off their rings :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 04, 2007, 02:39:28 PM
Congrats to FC for a dominant performance against a good Defense. It just shows that on any given Saturday you will be surprised on how a team will perform. I really thought that DC would make it a lot closer then the score indicated, but again what the hell do I know; that's why they play the game on the field and not behind the computer; just like Kansas hanging 76 points on Nebraska! Good job by MSJ to get another shut-out, and I made a previous comment on the 2003 defensive having consecutive shut-out against Bluffton and DC. I'm happy that MSJ is getting back to good solid football. What is THE likely hood that MSJ makes the playoffs with FC missing last year after going 9-1?? MSJ will be tested if they make the Play-off's because they will face a great team! Next week game should be a great one, the return of Jim Hillvert. I know coach Hubbie will have his guys up for the game!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 04, 2007, 02:44:29 PM
Sorry Adam.  My reply was directed at the fact that fc_alum_84 came in looking for a fight.  I was trying to point out that we are all grown men and acknowledge when our teams have been outperformed.  I was also trying to point out that this was not the place to be rubbing our noses in it.  Now that FC has beaten everybody in the conference (except Hanover...don't overlook that game), I think I can safely say that everybody in this forum is now rooting FOR Franklin and MSJ to represent this conference well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 04, 2007, 02:51:22 PM
I was reading an old timer comment on here about being on here, for years etc. I have always been interested in what was going on here. I just never posted into now; my father has been on here for years reading post etc. As a fan. I like hearing what other has to say, even if I don't have the stars behind my name to have my post considered huh, what a joke!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 04, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 04, 2007, 12:09:16 PM
Anyways, there is still one week left & FC & MSJ need to win out big as well as their nonconference teams too.  It would be great to see two HCAC schools in the playoffs as we mentioned a thousand times.  I am curious now to see what the playoff seeding will be w/ Wheaton losing this past Saturday.  I would still think that the playoff comittee would still rank Wheaton ahead of Franklin.   I would guess right now it would look like this:
1 Mount Union
2 Wabash
3 Wheaton
4 Case
5 Franklin
6 MSJ
7 Concordia
8 MIAA (Hope, Olivet, or Alma)
People didn't like it last week when I was trying to rank the region, but since you brought it up  ::)

I think you pretty much have it.  Though, Case will move to #3 in front of Wheaton, and I'm not sure that Wheaton will stay ahead of Franklin for that matter.  There's a couple big games in the CCIW next week that could decide the location of that matchup.  I won't go into all the numbers, but I think it's closer than people think.

Also, depending on what else happens in Pool C next week, there's a small chance that Capital gets a reprieve (perhaps sending Concordia to the west?).  That would really change the complexion of this region.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 03:07:22 PM
Actually i really didnt say anything imflamatory yesterday and I even complimented the DC coach.  Sayer mistook somehting I said from someone else.  Regardless of any DVD evidence, calls get made and missed everygame.  The referee didn't cause FC to ring up 28 pts. MSJ lost a tough game at home just like FC did last year. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 04, 2007, 03:12:33 PM
With the way things have gone this year, the HCAC will have their best shot at winning a playoff game. Normally, a 9-1 HCAC Champ is hoping for a 6th seed at best. With Wheaton losing, that may set up yet another Wheaton-MSJ playoff game...if MSJ wins Saturday )It's getting OLD!!!!!) :).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: altor on November 03, 2007, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2007, 12:24:35 PM
How many playoff games has this conference won? One game against a conference winless in the automatic bid era.
Pat, you know better than that.  Past performance in the playoffs is not in the selection criteria.

I know that. But the dispute was whether the HCAC was getting screwed. In the past they have lived up to their lack of selections very nicely.

If they were complaining about the present season, I don't know why -- the selections haven't been made yet!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
wow, no computer access and I come back to a lively board...

Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 03:07:22 PM
Actually i really didnt say anything imflamatory yesterday and I even complimented the DC coach.  Sayer mistook somehting I said from someone else.  Regardless of any DVD evidence, calls get made and missed everygame.  The referee didn't cause FC to ring up 28 pts. MSJ lost a tough game at home just like FC did last year. 




The response to you guys has been coming for a few weeks, guys have been turning the other cheek so to speak.  Franklins season is something to be very excited about.....

actually, I think JacketsFan said it well, NOBODY has a problem with new posters but YOU have been looking for a "fight" since you signed up.  Root your team on and show the same amount of class that the program you cheer for shows up with every week.  Everything will be gravy then.  As it has been mentioned, EVERYONE on this board is rooting for Franklin in the playoffs, so I don't even know why you come looking for trouble.   Again, there's no conspiracy for the people that have been posting here. . we just happen to know eachother well (in most cases personally).  After your take on the game has been said and agreed with by DC guys on here, then you have Grizzlyball coming in and saying that it was "clear that FC dominated Defiance" ...without adding a single thought on football.....see what I mean?  So its not just you, again...I UNDERSTAND the excitement, just stay classy San Diego

Adam,

its cool.  42-0 ...really wasn't a game.  I'm going to tell you something, W&J is on a WAY different level than any team I've seen this season.  Those guys are going to make a serious run this year.. and next year could be Salem or bust for those guys (their skill guys are THAT good). 

I think this is going to be the best Bridge Bowl yet, Sayer.  W&J not withstanding, Thomas More can compete with MSJ.  Since our teams are playing this week, should we not talk like Tressel and Dantonio? 

Charlie Weis should be strung up.  How the hell did he not kick the field goal on 4th and 8 with under 30 seconds left??  I wanted to throw the dog through the big TV we have.   WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?!


How great is it seeing Brady and company getting frustrated and beaten by the Colts??  I love it.  20-10 with 9:42 left.  Run up the score on the Colts, cheaters!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2007, 06:43:38 PM
also, jacketsfan, I think this is the first HEARTLAND Conference title for the Grizz, but NOT overall (not sure if you meant that). 

Maybe one of the Grizzly fans can clear it up, but I think they won quite a bit under Coach Faught while they were NAIA. 

One of my close buddies played for Faught at Georgetown....loved the guy.  I can see why you have a stadium named after him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2007, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
How great is it seeing Brady and company getting frustrated and beaten by the Colts??  I love it.  20-10 with 9:42 left.  Run up the score on the Colts, cheaters!

Be VERY wary of premature gloating when facing Brady - 24-20 Patriots with 3:15 left!

And this is NOT gloating the other way - not with 3:15 and facing Manning!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 08:34:39 PM
Franklin has not won a conference championship in football since joining Division 3 in 1988. In the early 70's i think they wne tot the playoffs once or twice.  Franklin had a lot of success in NAIA in the 70's and 80's under coach Faught. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 04, 2007, 08:34:39 PM
Franklin has not won a conference championship in football since joining Division 3 in 1988. In the early 70's i think they wne tot the playoffs once or twice.  Franklin had a lot of success in NAIA in the 70's and 80's under coach Faught. 

Was Franklin's program a scholarship football program back then in the NAIA?  I thought that it was.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 05, 2007, 05:35:16 AM
Prior to being D3 FC was a scholarship program
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2007, 07:49:52 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2007, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
How great is it seeing Brady and company getting frustrated and beaten by the Colts??  I love it.  20-10 with 9:42 left.  Run up the score on the Colts, cheaters!

Be VERY wary of premature gloating when facing Brady - 24-20 Patriots with 3:15 left!

And this is NOT gloating the other way - not with 3:15 and facing Manning!

Yeah this sucked ass last night.  I was hoping Tom Brady was going to decapitate himself when he was head butting his offensive lineman.  Somebody needs to pop dude in the mouth.

I was also watching probably the most assinine show last night.  Apparently there's alot of conspiracy theories and 9/11.  People actually think our government blew up the WTC to further along personal agendas.  Not only did I watch because I was offended (my brother was in the WTC), I was also pissed by the time the program was 30 minutes old. 

Thoughts on HCAC teams in the playoffs:

I hope there's only one team  ;)   BIG game this weekend.  Sayer, I guess I got my answer. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2007, 01:22:50 PM
Na...I've just been busy. Normally, like my boy Tressel, I like to keep things close to the vest during Bridge Bowl week. After the game...different story. I'll yap and throw my 2 cents in until you get even more tired of me talking.

My Fantasy team (Tom Brady and Randy Moss included) hung 195 points this week (I have yet to put up less than 100). It also helps when you have Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush playing HB for ya :).  How anyone cannot be excited about what Peterson is doing is beyond thought. This kid may put up 2,000 in his rookie year! I was hoping the final score of the game last night would be something like 42-41 Colts, but I'll take what I got.

W&J may end up in the North too. We really haven't discussed that. That would set things up like this in my opinion:
1. MUC (10-0)
2. W&J (10-0)
3. Wabash (10-0)
4. Wheaton (9-1)
5. Case (10-0)
6. FC (9-1)
7. MSJ (9-1)
8. MIAA Champ

Kevin...I guess you kind of get my thoughts on the game :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on November 05, 2007, 01:41:10 PM
What more do you need to hear about football than the fact is that FC put up 672 of total offensive yards. Not saying DC wasnt good or anything i am just saying they scored on a haily mary at the half to their all-american receiver, who was a great guy by the way, and i didnt see much of anything else. What more about football do you need than the fact that Rupp was 27 of 38 for 437 yards and six TD's. RJ ran for 161 yards on 15 carries and this is the fourth straight game we have put up 50 or more. Maybe i was wrong when i say dominated. FC played a great game and had a great game plan and DC put up a fight. Sorry if any of you think i was running my mouth earlier.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 05, 2007, 01:46:01 PM
Another Wabash/FC tilt according to your projection Adam.  Not sure what the outcome would be but it sure would be fun for both schools as this renewed rivalry is one of the best in Indiana from a competition standpoint.  Wabash and Franklin are dead even in points after two games the last two seasons. Both games went down to the final tick.

Based on strenght of schedule, etc FC probably should be ranked ahead of Case but probably wont be based on lack of history in the playoffs.  Either scenario is certainly better than a trip to Mt Union the first game.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2007, 01:48:58 PM
I personally think Franklin would be getting the short end of the stick if they get seeded in the 6th spot.  I do understand our conferences rep., but their only loss was to a top 10 team by two points.  I do think that Franklin can hang w/ just about any team in the North even if W&J is added, except Mount of course b/c they are just sick.  
MSJ needs to not mess up this Saturday, so that they will have a shot at the playoffs too.  If they get locked in at the 7 th spot they will have to face some tough competition, but I think they could come out w/ a win as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 05, 2007, 02:07:32 PM
I only saw MSJ play once this year (FC game).  They play solid defense.  Holding DC to zero points is not easy.  DC can move the ball.  MSJ lacks some of the offensive firepower that I saw in the last 2-3 season but they are no slouch.  They held FC to 28 which is the season low btw. 

One thing that might be in Franklin's favor is the knowledge that they were left out altoghether last year after beating Wabash and only losing to MSJ by 6.  This year's record proves they are not a fluke.  That may get them some additional love.  Plus this year they are ranked high enough to get immediate 4/5 seed attention and Wabash is at #8 which certainly helps strenght of schedule as well as MSJ likely being 9-1. A good road loss and a good road win along with consistent 20-30 point winning margins (ringing up 55 on a winning DC squad didn't hurt either).

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2007, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2007, 01:22:50 PM
Na...I've just been busy. Normally, like my boy Tressel, I like to keep things close to the vest during Bridge Bowl week. After the game...different story. I'll yap and throw my 2 cents in until you get even more tired of me talking.

My Fantasy team (Tom Brady and Randy Moss included) hung 195 points this week (I have yet to put up less than 100). It also helps when you have Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush playing HB for ya :).  How anyone cannot be excited about what Peterson is doing is beyond thought. This kid may put up 2,000 in his rookie year! I was hoping the final score of the game last night would be something like 42-41 Colts, but I'll take what I got.

W&J may end up in the North too. We really haven't discussed that. That would set things up like this in my opinion:
1. MUC (10-0)
2. W&J (10-0)
3. Wabash (10-0)
4. Wheaton (9-1)
5. Case (10-0)
6. FC (9-1)
7. MSJ (9-1)
8. MIAA Champ

Kevin...I guess you kind of get my thoughts on the game :)

That looks fairly reasonable IF CUW gets moved West, but I'm not sure there is room for them in that bracket (unless the SCIAC team gets moved South).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 05, 2007, 02:21:36 PM
Adam,
Why would they move a #1 seed from the south region into a #2 seed of the north region?  New to this playoff stuff and just trying to figure out the system.
www.grizzlyball.com (http://www.grizzlyball.com)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2007, 04:03:04 PM
propower64: They probably wouldn't move W&J over. They have not moved high seeds in the past.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 05, 2007, 04:18:23 PM
why is case ahead of FC? no losses, ok. but their coference is loaded with academic talent, not as much football talent. in any event, the head coach at case should get national D3 coach of the year if they win the 10th game. it has long been a struggling football school who simply couldn't get football players to meet their academic standards. he has obviously done something very right there. has anybody seen the new football stadium they built? he has done a remarkable job at a very tough job, i wish them continued success.

oh, and go grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2007, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2007, 01:48:58 PM
I personally think Franklin would be getting the short end of the stick if they get seeded in the 6th spot.  I do understand our conferences rep., but their only loss was to a top 10 team by two points.  I do think that Franklin can hang w/ just about any team in the North even if W&J is added, except Mount of course b/c they are just sick.  
MSJ needs to not mess up this Saturday, so that they will have a shot at the playoffs too.  If they get locked in at the 7 th spot they will have to face some tough competition, but I think they could come out w/ a win as well.

I'm telling you guys W&J is on a different level than any of the teams I've seen this year.  They'd have put up 40 on MSJ last weekend.  It was sick how good their QB and skill guys are. 

Adam, thats cool.  No worries....I just want to know what you are going to eat for breakfast after you wake up from that dream   :D

I still think Capital will get into the playoffs this year.  One way or another...probably as the North Region's pool C ;). . . and if they do they will be a very tough out. 

84,

Speaking of great Indiana football...how great would it be to see Hanover and Notre Dame play??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 05, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
ND would need points  haha
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 05, 2007, 05:00:09 PM
Victory Bell,

By the pictures the stadium looks pretty nice. It looks like they do not have any seating on the visitors side similar to MSJ's Stadium.

Does anyone think that the outcome of Case's game witth OWU will have any bearing on the seeding of the two teams since OWU played both of them. Franklin defeated OWU 34 - 21 in the first game of their season.

FC-Alum84 already said this once, I also was on the field after the game and heard the Defiance coach congratulate the team and asked them to go out and represent the the HCAC Conference well in the playoffs. Thumbs up to the coach for being a class act.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 05, 2007, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: propower64 on November 05, 2007, 02:21:36 PM
Why would they move a #1 seed from the south region into a #2 seed of the north region?  New to this playoff stuff and just trying to figure out the system.

The handbook doesn't really address it.  What it says...
QuoteOnce selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket, if geographic proximity is maintained.
(geographic proximity means within 500 miles)

In any seeding process I have been a part or heard of, if you have to move a team in the bracket, you move the lowest seeded team possible.  For instance, in the D-1 basketball tournament, they have a rule that two teams from the same conference can't meet until the regional finals.  So, if the standard seeding would break this rule, they move the lower of the two seeds to a different region.

The geographic distance between Waynesburg and W&J is so small that (assuming Waynesburg makes the field) I have trouble believing they would move W&J into the North rather than Waynesburg if it became an issue.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2007, 06:53:13 PM
I don't think Capital should get a pool C bid.  W/ losses to Otterbein & a very close game against Muskingum I don't see them deserving a pool C bid in the North.  A little bias b/c I think if they get a pool C bid they will get it over MSJ.

W & J does look to have a high powered offense, but MSJ has put some high numbers up too.  They both put up 50+ against Hanover this season.  So maybe they put up 40, it doesn't mean they are walking away w/ a W.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 05, 2007, 07:02:01 PM
I think SaintFan was bustin' somebody's chops.  I questioned it at first, too.  But, I think he trying to say that TMC will beat MSJ on Saturday, making Capital the obvious Pool C choice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 05, 2007, 09:26:00 PM
fc_alum_84, yes, you did comment on what a class act that Coach Taylor is. That was cool of you to do that. The point of my post, and this is to Grizzlyball, as well, was very well summed up by SaintsFAN in a subsequent post. Over the years, a number of us here have gone from being anonymous posters to real life friends who've actually met and enjoyed each other's company. Hell, I even took Adam Sayer and his mom and brother fishing on my boat down here in Florida over the summer. Others of us have gotten together at football games. I have an old friend from another conference (formerd3db) whose son was still playing football at Adrian  the first year my son started at Defiance. We met in the endzone at halftime during one of those matchups and have been friends ever since.

The friendships you'll develop here will last a lifetime if you cultivate them properly. Trust me, you never get too old for friends. I had a heart attack a year and a half ago and the outpouring of well wishes and get wells I got from my fellow d3 posters meant as much to me as all the get well cards from my coworkers - more, really, because your coworkers feel obligated. These guys do it because they're friends.  We used to bust Victorybell's balls all the time a few years ago because he was the only Franklin guy here and he was so persistent in his belief that his team would soon be HCAC champs. I came to realize after a few of his posts that he had more balls than most of us to put up with the abuse we gave him early on and still stick around. I think his karma was something like minus 20 at one point, wasn't it, VB?

Always let a defeated foe save face. You prove who's the victor by your win and you prove it again when you let him leave the arena with some dignity intact.

W&J is a high powered team. I wouldn't be too worried about CWR if I were Franklin. W&J, like a few people have already pointed out, is a very dangerous team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2007, 10:26:19 PM
Back in the day, I used to watch the WWE like it was my job. Tonight...I'm flipping through channels and come to Stone Cold Steve Austin driving a beer truck to the ring and chugging "Steve-weisers." Ahhh, brought me back to the good ol days of chugging Beers on a Sunday night before school watching Stone Cold and The Rock go at it during Wrestlemania. The only person who would have made things better would be "Hacksaw" Jim Duggins.

Hell, I don't know what the East has to offer, nor do I care. W&J was just an option to look at in the North.

I'm a little upset that The Park plays on Saturday. I'm giving up watching them and the defending State Champs, to watch the Bridge Bowl. Gotta go though TMC to get to the prize. Should be an ESPN Classic.

I'm out like Jamal Lewis' rushing record.

PTR
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2007, 10:33:09 PM
The boys from MSJ should look up and read Shakespeare's Henry V. Specifically the Eve of Saint Crispin's Day Speech.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2007, 10:40:15 PM
So when the new regional rankings come out for the North it will look something like this:
1. Mount Union
2. Wabash
3. CWRU
4. Franklin
5. Wheaton
6. MSJ
7. Witt
8. North Central
9. Capital
10.Carthage

Some big games too for these 10.  North Central vs Carthage, Wabash vs DePauw, Wheaton vs. Ill. Wesleyan, MSJ vs. TMC, Cap vs. BW, & what might be the spoiler CWRU vs Ohio Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 06, 2007, 06:25:47 AM
Hope you are right hasbeen.  in the event that CWRU is as overated as many think and OWU wins (they have a good chance. OWU has played several quality opponents tough this year). Franklin has a chance to move up one more spot. That would give them a chance for a win and rematch with Wabash and keep them away from Mount Union.  Probably wishful thinking.  Even if FC got Wheaton at home, beating them would be a tall order.  The Carthage loss may just be an anomoly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 06, 2007, 06:47:43 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2007, 10:33:09 PM
The boys from MSJ should look up and read Shakespeare's Henry V. Specifically the Eve of Saint Crispin's Day Speech.


I think the guys at MSJ would better understand this:

From this day to the ending of the world we in it shall be rememered, we lucky few, WE BAND of BROTHERS. For he who today sheds his blood with me shall be my brother.
shake's crispin is cool but the old english would be a tad tough.
(from band of brothers) got to give credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 07:23:53 AM
Thanks Hurler...  for knowing the MSJ guys needed that read to them.   The last line of that, I think is key though to this game.  Because had it been given, maybe this rivalry isn't as big on Saturday?  Or maybe there'd be a few more old school MSJ posters on here like AWM. 


has_been,

I'm being 100% serious. . . W&J would have smoked the MSJ team I saw against Defiance.  It wouldn't have been close.  Thats not a bad thing, thats just the Presidents being on a different level.

Also, someone in here said something about Waynesburg.  They lost this past weekend for the 2nd straight day.  Now its not an IN-REGION loss.  Hell the game doesn't even really count because Geneva is NAIA/NCAA transitioning, but it will be on the minds of the committee.  I can assure you of that.. .. .. I don't think they get in. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 07:25:20 AM
jacketsfan,

formerd3db was the doctor from Alma's team back in 1999 when I ate a bunch of turf up in Alma.  I still remember the guy....well kind of. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 06, 2007, 07:53:24 AM
Saints fan- This 'bridge Bowl' will be a Dog fight, we have two coaches that have been on the same side of the field that will now be on opposite sides this saturday. Plus i think a win for MSJ MAY put them in a bracket, TMC has no chance,so I think TMC will do all they can to keep MSJ out of any pool.
  Hilvert is coming back to his former place and seeing former players.
The former players want to show Coach that the lessons he taught were well taken.
  TMC has alot to show, they are not a push over team, the record says one thing but these are tough kids who want to show that the win column is not all they are made of.
  The Coaches, Hilvert & Hber will be on radio: 96.5 FM- 7 to 8 PM, Wednesday the 7th. With the personalities of these two it should be a great show and maybe amusing.
  Coaches Poll comes out today-
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 09:05:53 AM
hurler,

I think the PAC has gotten Thomas More ready for this game.  I believe thats why you saw what you saw last season in the Bridge Bowl.  EVERY game is tough.....but Thomas More has played 3 or 4 quality programs during the season in that conference. 

Geneva (still has NAIA schollys) is 7-2
Waynesburg (won their first 7) is 7-2
W&J is W&J
with a roadgame at Thiel (yes they are down THIS year but still tough)

....I think you'll see a very confident TMC Saints team on Saturday.    They've seen good teams this year....this isn't the case where someone is stepping up to play someone after playing a schedule of cupcakes.   Again, this isn't the first team that MSJ has played either.   It will be interesting.  I know being an ex QB, I see a few places on defense that I'd attack (and Adam I kept that to myself vs. Defiance).

Also, you'll see a fired up MSJ....win and they COULD be in.   I still think if Capital monkeystomps Baldwin Wallace, they'll get in somewhere.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 12:24:15 PM
Hey also, I hear there's a new Bridge Bowl Trophy out there making an appearance this weekend. 

How about THAT??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 06, 2007, 12:42:37 PM
YES  There is a NEW BRIDGE BOWL TROPHY!, Designed by  MSJ sophmore.
  Katie Carney.  Good job Katie! Heck the other one is hand made and 17 18 years old.
  NEW TROPHY- NEW ERA! i'm just teasin saintsfan!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2007, 12:56:57 PM
I've been calling for a new trophy since they "found" the old one. I remember SaintsFan trying to explain the "hidden" value of the old trophy and what it meant to the guys who played in the past about 5 years ago. I have 6th grade kids that can make a better ceramic bowl than what we had.

Kevin, you're not the only one. I've had some worries since the RHIT game (you didn't see that first half monstrocity). It hasn't been that big of a deal since and the defense is comming off consecutive shutouts. They have confidence. I do believe you can't give enough credit to Coach Hilvert and his staff working with the injuries this year and the same goes for Coach Huber. Bringing in a new administration and having a chance to go 9-1 for a 3rd consecutive year is impressive.

Whats the plan Saturday? What time will people be showing up, etc. I get paid on Friday so a little fun at Maloney's will accompany afterwords.

Right now I have the gym teacher trying to have class in my room which is 15yds x 10yds because the gym is being used for voting. DRIVING ME INSANE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 06, 2007, 01:07:46 PM
American Football Coaches Association Division III Coaches' Poll
Nov. 6, 2007


Rank School (1st votes)  Rec. Pts. Prev. Last Week Next Game
1. Mount Union (Ohio) (39) 9-0 997 1 D. John Carroll (Ohio), 53-0 Nov. 10 vs. Marietta (Ohio) 
2. St. John's (Minn.) (1) 9-0 942 2 Idle Nov. 10 at No. 16 Bethel (Minn.) 
3. Wis.-Whitewater 8-1 929 3 D. Wis.-Stout, 26-10 Nov. 10 vs. Wis.-Platteville
4. Central (Iowa) 9-0 872 5 Idle Nov. 10 at No. 12 Wartburg (Iowa) 
5. Washington & Jefferson (Pa.) 9-0 829 6 D. Thomas More (Ky.), 42-0 Nov. 10 vs. Bethany (WVa.) 
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)  8-1 794 7 D. East Texas Baptist, 72-7 Nov. 10 at Howard Payne (Texas) 
7. Wabash (Ind.) 9-0 745 8 D. Denison (Ohio), 42-0 Nov. 10 at DePauw (Ind.) 
8. Wesley (Del.) 8-1 712 9 Idle Nov. 10 at Morrisville St. (N.Y.) 
9. St. John Fisher (N.Y.) 8-1 666 10 Idle Nov. 10 vs. Alfred (N.Y.) 
10t. St. Norbert (Wis.) 10-0 563 11 D. Illinois College, 31-24 Regular Season Complete
10t. Muhlenberg (Pa.) 9-0 563 12 D. Ursinus (Pa.), 31-7 Nov. 10 vs. Moravian (Pa.) 
12. Wartburg (Iowa) 8-1 502 14 D. Cornell (Iowa), 35-7 Nov. 10 vs. No. 4 Central (Iowa) 
13. Salisbury (Md.) 8-1 484 15 Idle Nov. 10 vs. Frostburg St. (Md.) 
14. Wheaton (Ill.) 8-1 471 4 Lost to Carthage (Wis.), 35-27 Nov. 10 at Illinois Wesleyan
15. Trinity (Texas) 8-1 448 16 D. Centre (Ky.), 34-6 Nov. 10 at Austin (Texas) 
16. Bethel (Minn.) 8-1 422 17 D. Augsburg (Minn.), 44-35 Nov. 10 vs. No. 2 St. John's (Minn.) 
17. College of New Jersey 8-1 365 18 D. Buffalo St. (N.Y.), 27-14 Nov. 10 at Kean (N.J.) 
18. Case Western Reserve (Ohio) 9-0 279 21 D. Washington (Mo.), 35-27 Nov. 10 vs. Ohio Wesleyan
19. Capital (Ohio) 7-2 257 20 D. Muskingum (Ohio), 19-13 Nov. 10 vs. Baldwin-Wallace (Ohio) 
20. Mount St. Joseph (Ohio) 8-1 204 23 D. Bluffton (Ohio), 28-0 Nov. 10 vs. Thomas More (Ky.) 
21. Franklin (Ind.) 8-1 186 24 D. Defiance (Ohio), 55-22 Nov. 10 at Hanover (Ind.) 
22. Curry (Mass.) 10-0 113 NR D. Mass.-Dartmouth, 40-25 Nov. 10 vs. Coast Guard (Conn.)* 
23. Occidental (Calif.) 7-1 111 NR D. Chapman (Calif.), 21-15 (OT) Nov. 10 at Whittier (Calif.) 
24. Rensselaer (N.Y.) 7-1 97 13 Lost to Rochester (N.Y.), 25-21 Nov. 10 at Union (N.Y.) 
25. Whitworth (Wash.) 7-2 89 NR D. No. 19 Linfield (Ore.), 10-6 Nov. 10 at Puget Sound (Wash.) 

MSJ still ranked above FC.  Kinda strange! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2007, 01:23:27 PM
In my opinion, and it has always been my opinion, the TMC game wasn't a rivalry to me. I think many other MSJ players have expressed the same thing. I always saw it as another game, another chance to put on the pads and play football, and another opportunity for a win. If you start thinking about it in a different light, you start trying to play "outside" yourself. Treat it like it is...just another game to win to achieve your goal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 01:25:03 PM
propower,

thats typical.  its a reason I don't believe in the afca poll.  Not enough people pay attention like the D3football.com poll.  

one day, you might understand what I mean.


adam and hurler,

The Bridge Bowl didn't have to be very pretty because it never moved during the 1990's. . . ;)

I'm sure I was full of ****, but it had value to those TMC guys that had won it.  Thats why we took it from the Conner Convocation Center back in 1998....
By the way, it only showed up because we were done drinking with it.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2007, 01:23:27 PM
In my opinion, and it has always been my opinion, the TMC game wasn't a rivalry to me. I think many other MSJ players have expressed the same thing. I always saw it as another game, another chance to put on the pads and play football, and another opportunity for a win. If you start thinking about it in a different light, you start trying to play "outside" yourself. Treat it like it is...just another game to win to achieve your goal.

Adam, they do say its not a rivalry until both teams have won in it. . . maybe thats what you mean?  It meant more your last year, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2007, 01:30:37 PM
You were probably the one who dropped it off at the field full of Tootsie Rolls with a note signed by the "Legion of Doom." That was funny stuff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2007, 01:32:17 PM
That wasn't me. . . but THAT guy was from Elder.  I was very close to him back in the day.

I couldn't believe he did that either.  But honestly, that year....the Saints were superior.  He was trying to get you guys fired up.  .  . I couldn't believe what he said about the totsie rolls though. .  that probably went too far.

I'm laughing my ass off about it now though. . he is a very creative cat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hurler on November 06, 2007, 02:55:02 PM
I dont think of the "Bridge Bowl' as so much rivelery- This will be for the most part the LAST organized game for some of them guys. Some will graduate in December, Some in May, those  in May wont be able to do spring ball, after this we will be Thanksgiving touch football guys! Well those of us who can walk, let alone run. few beers will lube the ol' bones!
  FC alum is going to be PO'd when he sees the poll rankings, PLEASE know we on the board didnt vote, its called a "coaches Poll" (kiddin)
  This will be a good game, It is Sr. day at the Mount, parents will be pretty Emotional, the Srs. will be pumped.
  I will say this I am going with MSJ by 14! Maybe more if i can get some info on a couple players.

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on November 06, 2007, 03:43:42 PM
The Bridgebowl meant more than just another game when we knew we didn't have playoffs to look forward too..

Funny because the only two Bridgebowls I won were when we knew we had another week of football to follow.  The first two years we tried to define our 'mediocre' seasons by taking the Bridge Bowl back, only to get trounced once and then lose via missed tackle by a freshman after a blocked punt in "the shootout at Mariemont."

That's why my Junior year -  the Bridgebowl really meant something.  Not just winning a rivalry game, but so many bigger things.  It mean redemption for the last two losses, it meant recruiting tools in the area, it meant bragging rights, it meant taking that ugly ass ceramic pos back home for the first time ever in the rivalry series.

But most of all, it meant completing a perfect 10-0 season with an away win against our rival school - something so few will ever get a chance to do ever, if even all in one single game.

The Lions pounced the Saints on the muddiest field in Kentucky that day and it was glorious.  Probably the one game I'll remember the most of, honestly.


My senior year, due to high expectations, we kinda overlooked the Bridge Bowl game, looking deeper into the playoff picture than just one week.  We kept the Bowl in place but our playoff dream was definately not to be...

To the seniors of both MSJ and TMC, I say this: The Bridge Bowl has more history than any of you or us were ever a part of, so respect it and go out there and support your school by getting after it - no matter what your season was like.  The Bridge Bowl is in a way, as Sayer says, just another game, but being the last game of the season makes it more special than just a rival game - it may not define you but it will put a nice stamp on a college football career that you'll remember, if you care.  It will mean something other than just some ugly ceramic over-sized Bowl.  At least that's the way I see it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2007, 03:45:33 PM
MSJ just better not do what they did last year.  Even at 9-1 they are borderline on whether they get into the playoffs or not.  Ill. Wesleyan winning would help even though I don't see Wheaton losing two in a row.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 06, 2007, 06:27:36 PM
The TMC and MSJ game is a great rivalry, because it's about teams from across the bridge showcasing who has the better team; KY, OR CINCY. Its a great method for getting those last couple of recruits who are on the fence, and its raises the competitive side for both players on both teams; I don't know if they still do the Weight Lifting Competition, but its sets the bar for that as well! The game will be billed as Hillvert vs. Hubbie etc. Hillvert is the better coach. Hubbie is the better motivator! Hillvert will use this game to get his young team ready for next year; TMC will be a lot better next year. Hillvert will recruit his butt off and get some cincy kids over there, plus I hear TMC is a lot cheaper then MSJ. So that will be a selling point. MSJ will win the game Sat, but it will be a defensive game, MSJ watch out for the RB for TMC, good back. MSJ will win 21-14. I know my predications have been way off the past week or so, but hey!  TMC did some dirty stuff when it came down to Robbie Phillips, they made the man look bad, sent letters to the college, post wanted poster at gas station in Delhi, it was bad, good player though underrated!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 06, 2007, 10:05:14 PM
its all cool hurler. MSJ being ranked ahead of FC gives them something to crow about  haha. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2007, 10:44:03 PM
Who cares what the AFAC poll says anyways?  The only thing that will matter will be where either school will be seeded for the North region bracket, which will have Franklin ahead of MSJ (if they get in)anyways.  If both do get in, it would be great to see each of them pick up some W's.  I still think the either school would be able to run w/ any of the schools in the north except Mount Union.  I would love to say that they could be Mount Union, but I'm going to be realistic about that. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2007, 10:45:28 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 06, 2007, 10:44:03 PM
Who cares what the AFAC poll says anyways?

Not I -- the reason we started our own. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on November 06, 2007, 11:41:06 PM
If Franklin has to play their playoff game at CWRU then they'll get to play in a very unique stadium.  I lived in Cleveland for 2 years and my fiance went to grad school at Case.  I had the chance to scope the place out and man, that stadium is awesome.  I guess the only bad thing will be the fact that it could possibly snow a foot in the blink of an eye up there.

By the way, this Saturday marks the end of an era in Hanover football.  Here's to hoping the Panthers can pull one off for Coach Perry's last game.  I'm positive that Coach Leonard will be honored to be the opposing coach for this game, coaching against his ol' ball coach.  Thank you Coach P for all the wonderful memories I had as a Hanover Panther.

AMF
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2007, 07:55:58 AM
most unknown,

TMC does NOT cost less (not significantly) than does MSJ.  Until recently for GCL players, they've gotten money to attend MSJ as part of a grant.  THAT's over now, and the cost of schooling will no longer be in the equation....its going to come down to who wants to play for who....

especially with Bank of Kentucky Field being done this year (turf is being laid down now).


trick,

did you say fiance?  First Wells, then you.  Jesus.  Well, at least you picked one that went to grad school at Case.  Nice work.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2007, 08:23:20 AM
The stadium is nice probably because the students designed it themselves. Smart kids....I remeber being there for my only collegiate wrestling competition. I was walking around looking at some old trophies and came to a football with CWR and Ohio State's scores on it. Case had won the game and the game ball sat in the trophy case. It was kind of cool to see a piece of history like that.

Trick Snaps made me think of a scenario that could happen (most likely not). If FC loses to Hanover and ends the season 8-2 and MSJ wins and ends the season 9-1 and both make the playoffs. Just something funny to look at. Honestly, I think FC will dominate Hanover. I know it's a rivalry, but Hanover, simply put, isn't very good right now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 07, 2007, 09:17:42 AM
Glad to see the bridge bowl is bringing out old msj gusy out of the woodworks.  Speaking off, where is Angry White Man at.  Sayer?

Sayer, you mean TMC week didn't get you a little more edgie, a little more ampted up so to speak?  I'll have to agree with StillMSJ on this one that it is rivalry but for some other reasons
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2007, 09:35:44 AM
I'm setting my tent up tomorrow morning in Delhi on MSJ's campus and skipping work the rest of the week.  I went to Sams Club last night and got all the food I would need for my new 10 inch hibachi.  I also got two kegs, figured that would be enough of the liquid for myself. 

What time are you coming down tomorrow Sayer?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2007, 11:54:14 AM
Tomorrow??? What in the hell are you talking about?

The TMC game was always different for me. Had MSJ never asked me to wrestle, that's where I would have played. MSJ recruited me for wrestling before they ever asked me to play football and my original plan was to wrestle and "walk-on" to play football (at the time I didn't know there was no such thing as walking on in DIII). I loved everything about TMC, but at the time, I loved wrestling more. I partied at TMC during the 2000-2001 school year more than I did at MSJ because I had a good friend playing. I have always felt a connection with TMC due to how much I hung out with their players during that 1 year. I guess it comes down to the fact that I always had respect for them, because they respected me enough to recruit me. Hallet didn't leave me alone. I felt like I was wanted there. I didn't feel like that at MSJ until I started to play.

I don't know if you remember, but the first post I posted after we won, I called out the TMC players for not playing hard. I didn't brag, run my mouth, etc. I felt they didn't give Mike Hallet 100%, like they played with no heart. It angered me...almost the same way as if they were my own teammates and didn't lay it all on the line.

I know I'm unique, but my big rival, the game I got up for every year, was Hanover. I treated that game like the guy across from me beat up my mom. Every Hanover game, my mentality was to beat the sh!t out of the guy across from me. It was a dog fight. TMC...just another chance to get a W.

Winning my senior year to finish 10-0 was special, but it was special to me in a different way than it was to others. I was a starter on the 0-10 team and finished off 10-0. Looking back at the dedication it took for us to go from 0-10 and 10-0 as a TEAM, was amazing. You always have individuals come together, but rarely does a whole team come together like we did. It was special to play with guys like Tepee, Neil, Schneider, Brooks, BL, Holzie, among others who were a part of that 0-10 team and made the commitment to stick around and exel and go 10-0. I know others came along the way to help, but we were THAT class.

After reading, one thing you need to realize, is I was never relaxed. I wanted to win every game more than most people can fathom. To me, losing is the worst pain one can feel. That feeling that someone is better sucks. I hate it more than I hate brussel spouts. Though TMC wasn't MY rival, I still approached the game with this mentality.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2007, 12:54:59 PM
Meaning lets turn the MSJ campus into the equivalent of Coach K-ville. . .


You also had a cool as hell guide that day you visited.  I guarantee you that if you had stayed with me that Friday night before the game, you'd be a Thomas More grad.  Thats a guarantee as I remember, STILL, the night before that Carnegie Melon game. 


who knows, maybe you'd be in your dream job now....if you had attended TMC.   :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2007, 12:56:57 PM
DC70,

With Defiance taking a chit the last two weeks, what are the chances of you coming to experience your first Bridge Bowl and see what it would have been like to play for a great team??

Let me know...you obviously know how to get there...only this time Sayer and I will be taking shots (physically) at eachother. 

I know what you are going to say, Adam but save it.  I'm skilled in the MMA. .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2007, 02:59:29 PM
You're an expert in Making Monkeys Ashamed??? Sounds like a personal problem that you need to get under control. I'm, simply put, a Bad A$$.

"Who dropped a whole truckload of fizzies into the swim meet? Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the alumni dinner? Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode."

That's how I roll!

And as always, I PTR like Ron Jeremy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
PTR huh? 
ok, ok....lets take a vote on what people think "PTR" stands for. . . .


Punt The Rock

Punch the retard

Perhaps there's reluctance

practice the religion


Push to read (the MSJ books are all on tape, so the guys don't have to read them)

Pin the tail (on the donkey)

Penetrate the wrectum

Pass the reefer

does anyone have anything to add?  Voting ends at 8am tomorrow.  MSJ needs to know why they say PTR!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 07, 2007, 05:02:12 PM
Poon Tang Rumble
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 07, 2007, 05:40:54 PM
Preconditioned To Rant... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2007, 06:31:01 PM
Regional rankings are out & Franklin is at 5 & MSJ at 6.  Still looking pretty good for MSJ to get a pool C bid, but you never know what can happen.  Concordia & the MIAA aq will get the 7th & 8th seed.  Still worried that they will bump MSJ for Capital or even Witt. 

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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 07, 2007, 09:56:19 PM
i like Punching The Retard.

would love to join you donkey-punch festival bridge bowl game, but Mom is having a Masectomy on Friday Afternoon so i got some family things to do.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 07, 2007, 10:00:24 PM
I have to work till noon on saturday so I will probably have to park at Krogers on Delhi.

I want to say that TMC will win but I haven't seen either team play.  I do believe that if the teams are equal then I would give TMC the edge based on coaching and the competition that they have played.  If TMC blows out MSJ, which probably won't happen, I can see the a lot of recruits going to TMC.  

Since I was once a MSJ player and graduate I can't believe I am saying this but I will be rooting for TMC with my official TMC football hat on.  

Well I guess all I can say now is GO SAINTS.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 07, 2007, 10:50:22 PM
Nice article in "Around the Region" about FC in case the MSJ and TM folks get bored talking about the Ridge Bowel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
70dcalum-all the best to your mom & the family. 

I can't see how TMC could win this one (sorry SaintsFan)!  TMC has only 1 win against a team w/ a winning record & they are currently 5-4.  Plus they are playing at MSJ. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2007, 08:18:22 AM
has_been,

Its cool....scroll back to last year's board at this time (a TMC win)...and then two years before that (MSJ's first win in the series).  My point is...you never know. 

fc84,

read it...not interesting....Hanover is terrible.  Franklin should wipe them.  There's an interesting rumor floating around some of the HC guys I know.  I'll share it after the season...if it doesn't come up first. 

nittanybacker,

nice.  too bad our TMC hats (made available to public) really suck.   I hope it doesn't cost us in the recruiting game.  Also, I think you're going to see alot of Cincy kids at TMC in the future....regardless of the outcome on Saturday. 

dc70,

sorry to hear about that.  good luck to your mother. 

For the record, I think punch the retard is the funniest one.   I had some of the people that work for me thinking those up yesterday afternoon.....it was a hilarious exercise.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 08, 2007, 08:46:03 AM
Ben - hope all goes routinely with your mother's procedure, and she's back to verbally abusing you in short order. 

Best wishes for some great football games this weekend, regardless of personal loyalties, and here's to a resurrected DC team showing up and not allowing a Beaver win in the Back Forty.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 08, 2007, 10:18:40 AM
the interesting rumor is that Matt Theobald will be considered for the HC head job at the end of the year. He has been long lobbying for this job, and thinks he has the credentials to make it work. Alum, DC at FC, recruiter, southern indiana, FC has been 9-1 the past few years, etc...

Coaches these days whore themselves out for the next best thing, then leave and move on. It happens, not much you can do. If he gets offered, he has to look at DC at a rising power, or jump on the burning ship that is sinking. Money maybe getting better as an assistant or taking the 20k pay raise for 4-5 years until the ship goes down again. just my opinion, but no coach can make it work at HC any longer.

These sort of rumors also get started by HC fans to try to take the focus off the Grizzlies preparation during Bell Week. Another ploy by the communists from down south.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 08, 2007, 11:06:14 AM
if you didn't notice, that was my ploy to have the FC give all of their assistants large raises for the success they have had and the attention they have brought the school. I also would like to see the Leonard and Theobald monster continue at Franklin for many years to come. If they leave, I hope they leave for ND and bring the same success to South Bend. It has been hard to say GO Irish this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2007, 11:37:49 AM
Due to my profession, I must condemn punching retards...as funny as it may be. Unless you're watching some crazy video's, has Ron Jeremy ever punched a retard? I'm still all for for Midget Tossing and even the occasional Beating of the Brat while listening to The Ramones.

I wonder if TMC's defense calls themselves the Darkside? My allegiences are where I played. Coach Hilvert was an assistant but he was never my direct coach. If I had played defense, my loyalties may have been tested, but I'm loyal to the one man who will throw an aluminum chair into a crowd of players, claim we're gonna win the game because he found a dollar on the locker room floor, who will claim he's hung like a rat and a horse within 2 minutes of each other, who will play the guitar like he's Hank Williams Jr, who wants 11 swinging D!cks to the football during live, 1's on 1's, kickoff/kickoff return, who will take any player who can walk and chew bubble gum, and take any player who can stay up till 3am, drinking and smoking, come into practice at 8am and light someone up...cause they're a bada$$.

My man, "Rockin" Rod Huber!

I'm ready to punch the next kid who walks into the room...retard or not!

Since I don't know MSJ's fight song: Let us sing the praises of the bold Caveliers....

Prostetic Testicle Rubbing!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 08, 2007, 01:17:27 PM
Even though I know the in's and out's of Coach Hillvert Defense, and once shared dinner with him, and his former wife. My cheering is for MSJ and Coach Hubbie, who I think is a great motivator, and great friend, but like I said the coaching edge goes to Hillvert, even though MSJ has more talent then TMC. Coach Hillvert will get the best out of his players. The type of defense he run is for aggressive guys, who can bust their butts to the ball. MSJ has a lot more to play for then TMC, and it is great that they are playing at MSJ, so it will be a nice welcome for Hillvert. Many people who know, Hillvert kept MSJ going for a long time, because he did most of the recruiting! Many people at MSJ are loyal to Coach Hubbie, because he is still there, but everyone in their right mind knew that sooner or later Coach Hillvert would leave MSJ, but they did not dream, that he would go to TMC. I think wherever you get your first break take it, and don't look back!  MSJ will still win!!!   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on November 08, 2007, 03:01:27 PM
DC_Alum_70, The thoughts of the Jackets family up in Kazoo are with you and your family!  Hope all goes well!

Go Jackets!  Kick some beaver arse!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2007, 05:56:42 PM
Looking at the playoff projections, assuming MSJ wins tomorrow (not by any means guarenteed), they would have a better matchup than FC. I'd much rather play CWR than play Wheaton...not to mention the 2nd round game if you win. Again, we got 1 more day of fun to let it all sort out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 08, 2007, 05:57:33 PM
When coach Hilvert left and went to TMC I never really thought that I would rooting for TMC more then MSJ.  Some events that happened at MSJ since Hilvert left was the real reason for me to turn my back on MSJ.  I was a big Hubie fan at MSJ but you can only laugh things off he does until it isn't funny anymore.

I am going to pick TMC on Saturday 21-10.

Sorry to tell you SaintsFan but I was lucky enough to get an offical TMC football hat.  I have a couple connections over in Cresview Hills.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 08, 2007, 06:54:29 PM
Sayer you read my mind. FC may get the wrong end of the stick with Wheaton on the road vs a very beatable CWR.  Wheaton losing did not help FC's cause at all.

Does anyone on here thinkg that Coach Leonard will jump ship to go back to HC?  While he certainly could get them competitive again, it appears to be long term rebuilding effort similar to where FC was when he came five years ago.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 08, 2007, 07:32:52 PM
I would think that HC would perfer someone with leonard ties to HC. he can recruit, and can turn things around, why not put his name in the hat, and if HC offer him a better packages then FC, then i can't see why he would not go back to his roots, it would be a big gain for HC, and they will have their pass happy offense again!  Leonard has a great offensive mind, and thats what HC could use again, with good recruits, and if FC wins a Play Off game, his stock will go up!~
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youngbucksoverhere on November 08, 2007, 08:56:20 PM
I'm a reader not a poster but I wanted others opinions on this I posted this on the playoff projection on the daily dose but I wanted some HCAC opinions

North Region I think can get pretty messed up this weekend if I was looking at things the right way
Weaton @ Illinois Wesleyan - Ill Wes playing for a possible tie for the CCIW (with North Central playing Carthage to get into the mix to) Weaton (8-1) lost to Carthage (7-2) last week while Illinois Wesleyan beat Carthage earlier in the year. I think this is going be a very decisive game for both the CCIW and the playoffs.

Case @ Ohio Wesleyan - A presumable overrated Case team (according to a lot of people on d3football) playing a mediocre Ohio Wesleyan team.

If Weaton loses, Case loses, Franklin win, Mount St. Joe win how does that scrammble the North Region rankings?

If things go that way I think its really going fugde things up for the north teams

Just some food for thought

Go Grizz the new bell must stay where it belongs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youngbucksoverhere on November 08, 2007, 09:00:43 PM
something else to add Illinois Wesleyan beat Carthage this year 35-31
Weaton's only lost came to Carthage 35-27 there could possibly be a 3 way tie in CCIW if I was looking at things the right way

But hell what do I know

V-Bell you'd be proud of the way both the O-line and D-line has been playing this year for Franklin wish you could have seen a game this year
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
I left the Blue Ash Frisch's tonight and as I was walking out, a truck rolled through with Thomas More stuff all over it (he was a parent of one of the Seniors on the Team, from Reading). I decided to start yelling Go Mount Saint Joe as loud as I could as he was ordering. Then we proceded to stare each other down as he continued to go though the drive through. I got one more "Go Mount Saint Joe" in while I was driving away. The guy probably thought I was a jacka$$ but he's from Reading and being a Deer Park kid, I don't really care.

Not only will MSJ have a more favorable first round game, they will most likely play Wabash in the 2nd round (A team who FC would probably love another go around with) if they win. It isn't out of the question with THAT draw, MSJ could meet MUC in the regional finals...and get beat by 40 points :). Now this is all if's and buts and candy and nuts if MSJ doesn't take care of business. I'll admit, I'm kind of worried. Word around is some of these guys arn't taking the TMC game seriously. Watch your whole season get flushed down the drain if you don't play with heart and desire this Saturday. The best team doesn't always win...MSJ found that out last year.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2007, 09:18:40 PM
The primary thing helping MSJ out is they went on the road and beat Illinois Wesleyan. Again, I don't think anyone wants to play Wheaton except MUC because they will hold any team they play to 7 points or less and score 30 or more. I don't think IW wants to play Wheaton after the loss to Carthage. Wheaton's season is looking very similar to 2004. They spend majority of the season ranked in the top 10 and top 5 only to be upset late in the year by Carthage.

Wheaton may be a team MSJ may want to look to add to the non conference schedule after the IW contract runs out. I know IW is having a great season, but they are traditionally in the cellar of the CCIW. Having Wheaton would certainly boost schedule strength as well as tell you where your team is year in and year out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2007, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: youngbucksoverhere on November 08, 2007, 09:00:43 PM
something else to add Illinois Wesleyan beat Carthage this year 35-31
Weaton's only lost came to Carthage 35-27 there could possibly be a 3 way tie in CCIW if I was looking at things the right way

But hell what do I know

V-Bell you'd be proud of the way both the O-line and D-line has been playing this year for Franklin wish you could have seen a game this year

A 3-way tie in the CCIW is not possible, since NCC also plays at Carthage Saturday.  The possibilities:

If Wheaton wins, they are AQ regardless of the NCC/Carthage result (NCC would be co-champ with a win, but Wheaton has the h-to-h tie-breaker).
If IWU beats Wheaton and NCC beats Carthage, IWU and NCC are co-champs but NCC is the AQ on h-to-h tie-breaker.
If IWU beats Wheaton and Carthage beats NCC, IWU is the solo champ (and AQ).

The winner of the NCC-Carthage game still has a (slim) chance at a pool C bid.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 08, 2007, 09:40:42 PM
I agree. I think the Mount should try beefin up there Pre-Season games, with some real teams, and prepare themselves for Conf play. Playing against tougher teams early in the seasons give you a chance early to improve on your weakness! Get some better teams on board, and you will get more respect! and better seedings when Play-Offs come, because they base your seedings on win/loss records, strength of teams you have played etc. It would be wise for hubbie to start looking at some tougher teams, early on in the year, because teams like wheaton, or Mount U, you will be facing in the Play-offs. Play Ohio Northern, Wittenberg some-one who is proven!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2007, 11:27:28 PM
I think some interesting things can still happen this weekend that could shake things up in the North region bracket.  I do not agree w/ Wheaton being ranked ahead of Franklin considering SOS & the fact that Franklin lost by 2 pts on the road to a top 10 team (Wabash) & Wheaton lost to a good Carthage team but it wasn't by 2 nor was it an away game either.  Anyways, it all depends on what happens this Saturday anyways.  Good luck DC, spank those Beavers!!! :D & Good luck to Franklin & MSJ.  Finish strong so that you both can represent the HCAC in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2007, 11:46:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 08, 2007, 11:27:28 PM
I think some interesting things can still happen this weekend that could shake things up in the North region bracket.  I do not agree w/ Wheaton being ranked ahead of Franklin considering SOS & the fact that Franklin lost by 2 pts on the road to a top 10 team (Wabash) & Wheaton lost to a good Carthage team but it wasn't by 2 nor was it an away game either.  Anyways, it all depends on what happens this Saturday anyways.  Good luck DC, spank those Beavers!!! :D & Good luck to Franklin & MSJ.  Finish strong so that you both can represent the HCAC in the playoffs.


Franklin has a slight lead over Wheaton in OWP, not SOS.  SOS consists of BOTH OWP (F: .584; W: .560) AND OOWP (F: .495; W: .564).  The data can be interpreted as Franklin's opponents had a slightly higher winning % because they played considerably weaker opponents than did Wheaton's opponents.

SOS is also the Achilles Heel for Mount St. Joe: OWP, .475; OOWP .504.  If they go to 9-1, they will almost certainly be in, but if 8-2 their chances are essentially nil.

BTW, both should root heartily for IWU.  Not only would it probably knock Wheaton clear out of the tourney, but the Titans would probably re-enter the regional rankings (a big plus for MSJ).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2007, 11:49:47 PM
Mr. Ypsi- if IWU wins does that give them the AQ from their conf.? 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2007, 11:53:09 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 08, 2007, 11:49:47 PM
Mr. Ypsi- if IWU wins does that give them the AQ from their conf.? 

If IWU wins and NCC loses (at Carthage), the Titans are AQ.  If IWU wins and NCC does too, NCC is AQ.  If Wheaton wins, they are AQ regardless of the NCC-Carthage result.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 09, 2007, 12:11:33 AM
Quote from: youngbucksoverhere on November 08, 2007, 08:56:20 PM
If Weaton loses, Case loses, Franklin win, Mount St. Joe win how does that scrammble the North Region rankings?

If things go that way I think its really going fugde things up for the north teams
I'm going to qualify this by saying that I don't believe Wheaton or Case will lose.

But, if it does happen, Franklin moves to #3, MSJ to #4.  Both get home games, but the opponents are a little up in the air.  IWU/NCC (whichever gets the AQ) or Capital would be in that general seed.  Case would be a long shot in Pool C with 1 loss.  But if they get in, they would be in the mix to travel to FC or MSJ too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 09, 2007, 07:26:17 AM
case should lose, they are a total academic school. they did great this year, but they have no real advantage in this game. I see MSJ beating them and doing very well.

franklin vs wheaton. there is a red faught connection in this game, and since that splash of leonard, the grizzlies have been rolling.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 07:55:06 AM
Adam,
If that were me at that Frisch's, I would have asked for two eggs and egged you.


This COULD be a big year for the HCAC, in whats been a crazy year.  Thats why I think has_been is right.  There's going to be another shake up this weekend.   

Most unknown,

OAC teams are hard to schedule.  They play 9 league games, and the one non-conference game is usually scheduled years in advance (even for Mt. Union). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2007, 07:58:19 AM
At this time I don't see Coach Leonard going back to Hanover. As he said last week after the win he was going to enjoy the ride while it lasts. I would think that if given the chance he would like to try DI as an OC before he would return to Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 09, 2007, 08:03:19 AM
FC appears locked into a 4/5 seed. Assuming Wheaton wins FC will be forced to go on the road. (winnable yes but certainly not as winnable as playing Case) If Case wins MSJ may go on the road to Case (very winnable).

FC needs to pray for a Case loss.  That could move Wheaton up to #3 and would give FC the likely home game at a solid 4.  Someone on one of the boards suggested Wheaton is essentially playing for a home game instead of an away game with FC as a Wheaton loss would make them a #6 with two losses but MSJ would still remain at #6 (assuming win against TMC) as the two teams cant play again in the first round. Then again a Wheaton loss could knock them out all together.

FC first needs to take care of business at Hanover.  Winning the new bell (loud ringing as Coach Leonard said in his weekly newsletter to the Touchdown Clubl and going undefeated in the conference is a great deal in and of itself.

Good Luck to MSJ as two 9-1 teams from the same conference says a lot about the HCAC taking postive strides.








Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on November 09, 2007, 08:36:15 AM
I agree with KYGrizz.  I son't see Leonard going back to HC.  If he does he's crazy.  It doesn't matter how good you are at recruiting.  If Hanover doesn't decrease their enrollment standards and give alittle bit more financial support they will never get the players he can get at Franklin (or other HCAC schools for that matter).  You don't thgink every one of Franklin's star players this year didn't look at HC too but either couldn't get admitted or couldn't get the financial aid they needed?  Hopefully they will make an effort to change things for the new HC coach, but from what I hear from friends down there it doesn't look like admissions has changed much so far.  It will be interesting to see what names are thrown in the ring.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 10:17:57 AM
Anonymous,

Word is they are giving up on the higher enrollment standards and whatnot that has HELPED to put Hanover College Football where it is today. 

as KYGrizzly said, not at this point.....but everyone has their price. 

I think they'll have a national search for a coach, but I think it will end up being someone in the area. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 09, 2007, 11:05:14 AM
Now that I've lost all this weight, had you egged me, I would have surely moved. They don't call me White Lightening for nothing.

And since playing a youtube video of the Lion King would be meaningless compared to your The Saints Are Coming video, I'll just simply say

"Anchors Aweigh"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2007, 11:20:22 AM
Most here seem to be assuming that Wheaton will win (perhaps at least in part because MSJ beat IWU in week three).  Note that IWU's OL has THREE freshmen - the Titans are a very different team in week 10 than in week 3!  (My intent is NOT to discount MSJ's win, just to note that a Wheaton win is NOT a foregone conclusion.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 09, 2007, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
It isn't out of the question with THAT draw, MSJ could meet MUC in the regional finals...and get beat by 40 points :)

i hate to break it to you but i dont see anyone through to salem coming within 40 pts to MUC.

thanks for all the well wishes suregery got cancelled today because she got a cold.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 12:42:10 PM
So see you tomorrow, 70.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 02:12:21 PM
Adam,

are you going to have your old lady's cellphone tomorrow?

I got the Thomas More gear you requested. . .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 09, 2007, 07:43:58 PM
Good luck to MSJ tomorrow, should be a great and intense game. MSJ haS a good defense, and should be ready to go. Its great to see that MSJ is leading the Conf again IN Defense, should help them in the Play-off's. Whats up coach Hubbie and Coach Hillvert! I wish I could make this game, should be a pack house? How are the crowds at MSJ these days?? Facing Wheaton in the first round will be brutal for FC or MSJ. They have a great balance! The OAC is the best Conf in the nation. I know it would be hard to get one of those teams to play an HCAC team, but with Dean being up there you never know. ITHERE IS alot of good teams around the country. Maybe \
MSJ could get a Cali team to play, travel down here on the West Coast(lol) I know it will never happen. They could play my JR College Squad, would be great for the resume.lol na, good luck though MSJ!!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 09, 2007, 07:51:38 PM
Mr. Ypsi, I agree with you as far, as the SOS concerns. The HCAC is noted for not having a tough SOS, but I think having 2 good teams from the same Conf going to the Play-off's would be a great lift for both schools, and maybe push them to playing better teams in the future! The HCAC is not the OAC; they don't have the same talent level, and Mount U, should be a D-2 program, or higher, because what they do to teams is un-real. I would like to see Mount U Play the top Jr. College teams here in cali, to see where they really stand. Great team over at Mount U, overall great defense, shuting people down, my brand of football!! Wish it could rub off on the Bengals!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 10:38:41 PM
if MSJ wants to start scheduling tougher opponents they can do it.  There's a precedent there.  When Vic Clark was coaching Thomas More, we had to be really creative with the scheduling.  The result was playing games against teams like Butler, Evansville (no more football), Morehead State and Dayton in the D1-AA (non scholly)...Northwood (MI), Gannon U (PA) in D2.....Malone, KY Wesleyan, Mt Scenario (WI), Campbellsville (KY), Urbana in NAIA, and Wis-Osh Kosh, Howard Payne (TX), Alfred (NY), Knoxville College, Albion, Adrian, Alma, Wisc-Stevens Point, Chapman College(CA), US Merchant Marine Academy (NY), Illinois Wesleyan, Wesley (DE) and others in Division 3.   We were team's "Homecoming Opponent" more times than I care to remember.  I do recall against Morehead State in 1998, playing in front of 8,000 people for their homecoming game.  Their QB, David Dinkens ended up playing for Buffalo Bills after he graduated.  The game was back and forth in the first half.  On the first play, Dinkens went 65 yards on a keeper and ended up with 4 TD's.  We fought back though and pulled to within 37-26 at HALFTIME.  We fought into the 2nd half also until they pulled away late...we were down on #'s of players that year.  Had 2 QBs (we both had seperated shoulders from the week before), 5 WR's, 7 OL etc.  That year we played a TOUGH, TOUGH schedule with 60 players.  We ended up 3-7 but we fought the whole year.  It showed the younger guys who stuck around how to compete with high level competition even while the cards were stacked against you.  I still think its kind of funny that MSJ decided after this 3-7 season (on paper) that they wanted to get a piece of the Saints while we were supposedly down (got a scrimmage set up in 1999 and 2000 before playing in 2001).  Dean Paul took that what was left after 17 seniors graduated in 1998, added a couple freshman recruits...believe me, not many since he took the job on February 1st, and produced a 7-3 season in 1999...the guy could flat-out coach.

All these were scheduled with the same budget MSJ has and TMC had to do that with no league games.   Most of these games were GREAT, GREAT tests that we wouldn't have gotten had we just played teams within a 200 mile radius of Thomas More.  Granted we didn't really have a choice, most teams just chose to not play us...reasoning that they didn't like our coach (uh huh)

I'm rooting for MSJ to step up and schedule some quality competition so they can be better prepared for both the HCAC and NCAA Playoffs.  The games are out there....they just have to schedule the "home and home" with teams. 

**Our record is NEVER indicative of how talented our teams are..

Even in 2001 when TMC made the playoffs with some said was a weak schedule, we still won a home playoff game that year.  That senior-laden team was toughened by the travel and the games from their years together.

Disclaimer....I'm not saying anything about MSJ's schedule when they went from 0-10 to 10-0.   Your teams had it tough and needed to learn how to win.  You did that against teams that were previously better than you.  I just think (along with many of your alums) that its probably time to make the step up that Thomas More eventually did when our program "got going". 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 09, 2007, 11:05:14 AM
Now that I've lost all this weight, had you egged me, I would have surely moved. They don't call me White Lightening for nothing.



I was a QB, dude.  I would have "led" you with those eggs...  :D


The SAINTS are COMING...

Pass The Reefer
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2007, 07:25:13 AM
The day is here. As I told Coach Hilvert in an email, I believe he has done a heck of a job with the hand he was delt. He had some major injury problems early, and some say (they've only beaten 'bad' teams), but to be 5-4, with a "shot" at 6-4, says a lot about him and his 'young' coaches. Remember, he has many guys coaching who were players 2-3 years ago. He has a young staff. Regardless, he's done a great job in my opinion.

Going back to the injuries, I think MSJ has more talent and is overall the better team. Again, the better team doesn't always win, but in this case, with the "2nd chance" MSJ has been given at the playoffs, the better team WILL win. They have no chance but to be focused. Word around is they wern't taking TMC seriously....I doubt that. If they are, that's their loss, but I believe with the situation of this game, everyone's taking it seriously.

My prediction is a 27 - 17 MSJ victory. I'm heading off to get a work out in and I will back around 10:00. Kevin, the Ol Lady should be with me, just give us a call either on her cell 614.314.4573 or at home 793.3541. See ya later.

PTR
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 10, 2007, 08:28:05 AM
the only thing that is saving Hanover today is Franklin will call of the dogs eventually to keep from risking injury before next week.  when i say saving Hanover i mean from getting 70pts hung on them.  rivalry or not, last game for the coach this one is already over. 

I predict a blowout for DC today too to finish up strong.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 10, 2007, 08:30:11 AM
Lets say MSJ wins today and makes it into the playoffs.  The HCAC will have two teams in the playoffs probably for the first time.  Maybe people from the outside will question the NCAA for having two teams in the playoffs because of the history in the playoffs for the HCAC.  So once we have two teams in you can have three things happen, one of which is one team wins and one teams loses.  So my question is:

How will the HCAC be perceived  if both teams lose?  Now if they are close games then maybe you can argue that they both deserve to be in and it was a few bounces here that changed the game.  What happens if they both get blown out?  Will that be the end of two HCAC schools?

Now if both teams win then it is a great boost for the conference.  Then that might open the door so that in the future two teams for the HCAC will make it into the playoffs.  The HCAC will need to be consistent  in the playoffs so that they can establish themselves as a conference with perennial  powers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2007, 10:27:59 AM
in honor of Wayne Perry Day:

With Hilvert sharing the note Adam sent with the team....(not a true story), what do you think the moral of the story was for the team?

Don't talk **** to an opposing coach and you could be 1st team All American...er conference!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 10, 2007, 12:29:34 PM
we will all miss wayne parry, great coach. great program (until the school messed it up), great teacher and mentor to many. i would only like him more if he was a franklin coach.

go grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on November 10, 2007, 03:13:27 PM
Franklin up 49-7 10  mins to go in 3rd. Its crazy how fast FC can score. The score was only 27-7 at half and within first 5 mins of 3rd quarter they have put up 28 to push the lead to 49-7.

I dont think starters will stay in much longer if they do things could get really ugly!

GO GRIZZ!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2007, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2007, 10:38:41 PM
if MSJ wants to start scheduling tougher opponents they can do it.  There's a precedent there.
...

All these were scheduled with the same budget MSJ has and TMC had to do that with no league games.   Most of these games were GREAT, GREAT tests that we wouldn't have gotten had we just played teams within a 200 mile radius of Thomas More. 

The change in NCAA guidelines now allows TMC to schedule any opponent in Administrative Region #3 (MI, IN, OH, WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, TN and KY) and have it count as in-region.  As a member of the South Region Presidents AC, you can play all South Region teams.

...

**Our record is NEVER indicative of how talented our teams are..

Even in 2001 when TMC made the playoffs with some said was a weak schedule, we still won a home playoff game that year.  That senior-laden team was toughened by the travel and the games from their years together.
...

Concerning the 2001 Thomas More team that went 10-0 and was seeded #2, TMC got the privilege to play the #7 seeded IBC Pool A bid (MacMurray IL) and edged them 34-30.  In the second round, you hosted the #6 seeded Wittenberg at-large (Pool C) team and lost 41-0.  The seeding prompted the Championship Committee to change the criteria for seeding in 2002.  Let's just call it the "Thomas More rule".   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 03:28:24 PM
OUCH! Ralph ;)

Franklin is a dangerous team & they will be truely tested in the playoffs to see how dangerous they really are. 

Anyone have an update on the DC game?  last I saw it was 14-3 I believe at the Half.  Plus the MSJ game too?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 03:50:43 PM
Currently 21-16 DC in the 4th
48-7 Franklin in the 4th
10-7 Anderson 4th
28-7 MSJ 4th
Plus CWRU won 20-17 making them 10-0.  They still shouldn't be higher than a 5 seed if there were a "Thomas More Rule," but we'll see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2007, 03:55:38 PM
Bash and DPU are tied late in the 4th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 03:56:47 PM
Ralph-do you have any updates on the Wheaton-Ill. Wesleyan game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 03:58:20 PM
Nevermind, just saw on the CCIW board that it is 7-6 Wheaton, but they are still being hurt by injuries.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 03:59:50 PM
Bash loses 24-21!!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
QuoteDepauw drives from their 4 to the Wabash 29, Jordan Havercamp hits a 47 yard field goal attempt as time expires, DPU WINS 24-21!!! CONGRATS TIGERS!!
Quote from Ron Boerger!

Dannies beat Bash!

Franklin just climbed in the Region.  Maybe #2, if the turmoil in the CCIW continues.  Wheaton is on their 4th string QB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on November 10, 2007, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
QuoteDepauw drives from their 4 to the Wabash 29, Jordan Havercamp hits a 47 yard field goal attempt as time expires, DPU WINS 24-21!!! CONGRATS TIGERS!!
Quote from Ron Boerger!

Dannies beat Bash!

Franklin just climbed in the Region.  Maybe #2, if the turmoil in the CCIW continues.  Wheaton is on their 4th string QB.

nope. wheaton's #2 is forced into action w a bad shoulder.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 04:31:30 PM
With Wabash losing & based upon Pat's last week projections, I really hope CWRU does not get the #2 seed.  If they do & Wheaton wins as well, will they put Franklin ahead of Wabash considering their loss to them earlier in the season? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 04:36:18 PM
DC loses to Bluffton 22-21!!!  Wow, how sad is that for them to crumble like that at the end of the season.  What is happening w/ the program ???? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 04:43:40 PM
MSJ 35-TMC 14.  Way to go Lions, keep those fingers crossed & hopefully get a pool C bid.    Can't see why you wouldn't get it, but you never know. 
Looks like there is a tough battle going on between Ill Wesleyan & Wheaton.  Last I saw it was 14-12 Wheaton. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 10, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Congrats to MSJ big win 35-14. I hope they get a chance to make it to the Play-Off this year. Great Defense effort. FC beat the wheels off HC. Should be some big upsets today!! How was the game atmosphere at the TMC and MSJ game, was there mixed reactions to Hillvert?? Well great season for MSJ, hope it does not end? Congrats to FC, what a good offense over there, it should be no doubt, that FC can put some points on the board, lets see if their defense can hold up? Congrats to Coach Hillvert for getting his first year under his belt. His second should be alot better!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 10, 2007, 06:54:58 PM
11-28 for 113 yds with 4 INT and 1 TD says it all.  3 INT at the end give bluffton the chance  to win.  at least they get 1 win this year...WOW

Vetter and Boekman must have followed the same game plan.  Zook admits at the end of the game he was going to punt until OSU called a timeout, 7 minutes later the only thing OSU has to look forward to is getting Lloyd Carr fired.  WTF at least i got a bunch of beer
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 10, 2007, 08:22:54 PM
we are going to have to watch espnU to find out where the seeds are. this should be interesting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 10, 2007, 09:05:32 PM
FC delivered a 55-14 win over Hanover.  HC scored a cheapie TD in the fourth against the second/third string FC defense.  Game was only close in the first quarter 7-7.  In the second and third quarter HC was outscored 42-0.  Hanover is as bad as I have ever seen them. Sad to see a once solid program absolutely decimated. 

With Wheaton and Wabash losing today and CRWU surviving a mediocre OWU squad we will wil see where FC (and MSJ) end up.  FC should host a game next week.  MSJ should remain at 5 or 6 seed.  I see Wheaton sliding to a 7 or 8 or out. FC could go as high as a 3. Who knows. I will be shocked if FC goes on the road though
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 10, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
good win griz!  another awesome tailgate!  if the griz arnt at home this week then something is wrong with the system.  my guess is a 4th seed, maybe a 3 but dont see it.  ? is who will we play?  franklin fans are the best!  best d3 tailgate in the nation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on November 10, 2007, 09:20:28 PM
Great job MSJ and FC!  FC has the firepower to make something special of this post season.  I'm praying for MSJ to make it in - it would only make sense with Wheaton losing.

Big congrats to the HCAC for getting a potential two teams into the playoffs.  MSJ has a solid team and if they can pull an upset wouldn't we all LOVE an HCAC rematch in the second round.  I could only dream of such an awesome occurance.

Either way, good job again to the Grizzlies and Lions.

Oh, and way to bring the Bridge Bowl back as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2007, 09:22:04 PM
With two back to back losses Wheaton will not get in at all.  For the North I'm guessing it will look like this:
1. Mount Union
2. Case
3. Wabash b/c of win over Franklin
4. Franklin
5. North Central b/c they won't put Franklin & MSJ against eachother in first round
6. MSJ
7. Concordia
8. Olivet

Personally I would have Franklin at 2, Wabash at 3, Case at 4, MSJ at 5, North Central 6 & leave the bottom 2 alone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 10, 2007, 09:47:45 PM
I think MSJ will be #5 and NCC at #6, but you are correct with the matchups.  MSJ at Wabash, NCC and Franklin.

If these do turn out to be the matchups, MSJ got the short end.  I think everyone would agree that going to CWRU is better than going to Wabash.  Franklin still gets a CCIW opponent, but gets the opportunity to play them at home.

Of course, all this is speculation.  My head is really spinning now with all the possibilities.  Does Wheaton get in?  Does Capital get in?  If so, who moves out of region?  Does Capital go East or South?  Does Concordia move West?  Or does MSJ go South?  All these decisions really make an impact in matchups for next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2007, 09:51:15 PM
WHEN games are lost is not (officially, at least) a criterion for selection.  I, too, thought Wheaton was probably 'toast', but just checked the latest update of SOS ane they have the highest scores of any 8-2 pool-C candidates.  Rumors of their 'death' may be greatly exaggerated! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2007, 01:19:20 AM
1. MUC
2. CWR
3. FC
4. MSJ
5. Wabash
6. North Central
7. Concordia
8. Olivet

I don't care that Wabash beat FC...that was 8 weeks ago. What Have You Done For Me Lately???I'd rather MSj be the 6th or 7th seed and get away from MUC. Whomever, you beat who they pair you with. I think it will be like so. If the selection commitee selects Wabash as a higher seed than FC, they don't have any testicles. I know the head 2 head, but...8 weeks ago is a long time.

My Buckeyes lose to Juice....At least they won't get embarrassed in the national championship again and should beat Michigan. Something about a Tressel team says they wont lose 2 in a row. Sh!T happens, a BCS game for the 4th year in a row isn't bad and this team is all Juniors.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2007, 01:23:03 AM
I cant help but see Case Western Reserve at the 2 slot and think "What the hell happend to the North Region?" They are a disgrace as a 2 seed. Who, in all reality, have they beat who is worth a damn? This is like putting a team in the BCS title game who beat the little sisters of the poor, blind, and deaf...not to mention stupid. They shouldn't get the 2 slot. Not by any means!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on November 11, 2007, 04:26:47 AM
QuoteMount Union Bracket
1. Mount Union (A)
2. Wabash (A)
3. Case Western Reserve (B)
4. Franklin (A)
5. Mt. St. Joseph (C)
6. North Central (A)
7. Capital (C)
8. Olivet (A)
Despite Wabash's loss, we kept them in the No. 2 slot, giving them the nod based on a significantly higher opponents' winning percentage. The traditional pairings get broken up here a little, as Mt. St. Joseph and Franklin wouldn't play again in the first round. Olivet travels to Mount Union, Capital to Wabash, North Central to Franklin and Mt. St. Joseph to Case.

According to D3football.com, MSJ doesn't have to travel to Wasbash.  Instead they get to face off against CWRU.  I would only hope that they are correct.  Franklin gets to host North Central at home where the bees sting opposing teams as they warm up.

Sayer, although I agree with you about CWRU, wouldn't putting them as a 2 seed be like pairing an unbeaten Boise State team against a Big 12 powerhouse Oklahoma team in a BCS bowl?...........
Just trying to make ya think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 11, 2007, 08:11:17 AM
only 2 positives that can come out of the OSU game:

1. just maybe there is a small chance some of those studs on Defense will pull a Mike Doss and come back to win it all (personally i think that was the last game for the Animal in the Shoe).

2. At least Michigan can't try to ruin a National Championship run
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 11, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
Franklin appears poised for a home game with NCC (very winnable) but gets the death slot in second round if they advance. There is still hope that the committee looks at recent lossess vs mid sept and strenght of schedule and keeps FC and Wabash above a 4. FC vs Wabash in a rematch to utlimately face Mount Union. That is what I am personally hoping for or even an MSJ upset of Wabash and and FC MSJ rematch at FC in the second round.

Propbably wont happend but you never know
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 11, 2007, 08:39:12 AM
Sayer WTF happened to the Park 53-0.  we may not be able to hang in D1 but Dayton has some pretty good small division schools.  At least The Park got to play at a sweet stadium in Northmont (my High School).  also Alter goes down in triple OT.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2007, 09:15:08 AM
They played Marion Local (reigning D6 State Champs). My buddies went to the game and said Marion's team was lined up from 25 to 25 on the sidelines. They tried to count them and they had over 80 players...for a D5 school, that is insane. I did a little research and knew what to expect...so I decided to go to the MSJ game. I still didn't think it was going to be THAT bad though.

Had OSU won that game, I would have been a nervous wreck for next week. It was just one of those feelings you get when something isnt right. I do feel they will get screwed on the rankings and drop further than the other teams did when they lost. Regardless, I'm a lot more comfortable now that they did lose. I think you're correct about The Animal leaving. He won the Nagurski last year and will probably win all the defensive awards this year. He's not going to gain anything from staying. Pains me to say, but it's true.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 11, 2007, 12:06:32 PM
Marion Local is stacked and have a lot of trophies to prove it.

Franklin and MSJ are in and i personally think it is a good bracket to make some waves.  MSJ ends up with the better run as they could get CASE in round 2.  eitherway how sweet would a HCAC quarterfinal rematch be??

first things first lets get 2 HCAC wins.

HEY PAT tell the D2 guy to quit talking with his hand!! i thought he was going to accidentally backhand you at the end
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2007, 12:09:07 PM
I do believe MSJ got the break being away from W&J and getting Wabash first. I'm not real sure on how good North Central is. They did win the CCIW so, obviously, they are solid. Not trying to say Wabash isn't good, beause they are, but I'd rather play them than a team from the CCIW due to recent circumstances. Plus, CWR may lose their first round setting up a favorable 2nd round game. MSJ is in a good situation.

Road Trip anyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 11, 2007, 12:14:11 PM
MSJ did get a break getting Wabash and the Case bracket winner, but beating Wabash on the road is a tall order for MSJ.  MSJ will need to be much better than they were against Franklin and Defiance and be able to score 24 or more points.  The Little Giants can put up the points and they will attempt to pass all over MSJ.  wabash is very similar in talent and style as Franklin.

Franklin will need to play well and limit mistakes as NCC should be at the talent level of a MSJ.  Should be hard fought game.  Edge to FC being at home but not a huge edge in my opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 11, 2007, 12:17:31 PM
Was anyone else suprised on the brackets?  I will be the third to agree as well that MSJ has it set up to make it to the regional finals.  Franklin does have a tough road to travel, but I think they have continued to improve throughout the season & will suprise a lot in the playoffs.  
I'm still not sold on Capital & feel like they got in on their name & conference.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 11, 2007, 12:19:54 PM
Congrats to both FC AND MSJ, good first round games they both will play, whats the likely hood that, if both teams win, that they will meet in the second round, because both MSJ and FC can win their firdt round games. Its going to now come down to soild defense and who committs the fewest msitakes. My JR College team lost last night 59-57, no defense. The team they played, had the state leading rusher; he catty the ball 52 times, and 268 yards with 6 touchdown. what a game though!! Good luck to both MSJ and FC and congrats again!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 11, 2007, 12:35:19 PM
now would be a good time to bring a tank into faught stadium. next we score, the little cannon goes off, then the tank shoots a shell over the town of franklin.

go grizzlies.

congrats to leonard and his team. since kansas has the "fighting manginos" does the FC have the "fighting theobalds" on defense?

boba boui
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 11, 2007, 02:15:37 PM
I honestly think that several teams would have a good shot at taking the Whitewater bracket.  I think Wabash will have trouble against Mount's defense, so if MSJ can control the clock & run game then Mount will have a trip to the 2nd round against a very winnable game whom ever they face.  Franklin can d will have to be ready for a strong running team, but MSJ & DC have helped to prepare them for that.  I know North Central is a good team, but I can't see them beating Franklin.  They will have to do the same agaisnt Whitewater (or Cap.) to win that one as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 11, 2007, 06:43:01 PM
Man, was it great to see all the old players and alumni come back to the good old MSJ.  Not to mention I thought it was a pretty nice turn out as well.  The atmmosphere would've been great if it was for the stray PIGS that kept making their way to the Hill. 

But the game it self was a good one.  Give it time and Hilvert will have a kick ass defense agian with a dominating front seven.

Glad to see that the HCAC got to team into the playoffs with a chance to meet in second round.  Not to mention that MSJ and FC fair pretty well in the bracket.  Just wish that we could get a Wabash mach up in 2005
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 11, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
MSJ and Franklin will not meet until the third round.  FC/NCC plays the UW-Whitewater winner in Whitewater. If MSJ gets past Wabash they get the Case winner.  My prediction is that FC will win close one at home and that MSJ will lost by 10 or so on the road in Crawfordsville. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 11, 2007, 07:34:18 PM
Do all playoff games start at Noon? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 11, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
franklin's playoff game starts at noon.

who cares who you drew for the first round, it's all about who is focused this time of year. everybody is good at this level and they will be coming out guns blazing. if you get hot, watch out because it can keep rolling.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2007, 09:55:30 PM
HCAC friends:

As I've mentioned on some of the other boards, just a quick note here to have you check out my post on our MIAA board about the new book that just came out on college football.  A great read and for those who have a great interest in the history of the game, it is a "must add" to your personal library collection (IMO!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 08:08:56 AM
M&L,

No kidding...you WOULD THINK that a MSJ President as that azzclown officer said was sending him up to stop the drinking....would have better things to do.  Like maybe hiring an SID....so they can send gamestories and stuff out on the players. 

MSJ doesn't need a police force with their cars and guns and uniforms.  Where are they going to drive...besides those 2am doughnut runs into Delhi with the lights and sirens blaring. 

I know we lost, but I liked what I saw of the effort from the guys.  I know they won't make excuses, but TMC has been hit by injuries like I haven't seen in a long time.   The recruiting is HAPPENING up at Thomas More.....I DON'T think MSJ will beat them like that again in the near future....something I told Sayer when we were standing there....


AWM,

Nice meeting you Saturday.  Come back around sometime. 


Sayer,

It IS Joey Harrington, you lost the bet.  For everyone else...a drunken Sayer bet me $20 that it was David Carr and NOT Joey Harrington that could play the piano.

thoughts on playoffs:

I honestly think its going to be a shock to both of our beloved HCAC Teams this week...to see the style that their opponent plays.  They are both going to be games of trying to respond to playing outside of their comfort zone.  Franklin hasn't played a smash mouth team like they are going to face in North Central, (who's making their 3rd Straight appearance) and MSJ hasn't faced an offense like Wabash yet (I know Franklin might be close but WC's coach is something else)

I think it will be interesting to see how both teams respond to early challenges and adversity.  I really think the road through this region goes through W-WW (been to the final game the last two years), provided they get by Capital's defense. 

Its going to be an interesting playoffs...thats for sure.  Survive and advance---Survive and advance. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 08:10:39 AM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 11, 2007, 12:14:11 PM

Franklin will need to play well and limit mistakes as NCC should be at the talent level of a MSJ.  Should be hard fought game.  Edge to FC being at home but not a huge edge in my opinion.

If ANY of Franklins players share this thought with you, its going to be a long day for the Grizz. 

You'll see what I mean on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BigGrizFan on November 12, 2007, 10:06:49 AM
I would first like to congratulate FC on their conference championship and making it to the playoffs. I'm also pump about the fact that MSJ made it also. I think the HCAC will get a playoff win this time. I think MSJ might have a tough time at Wabash. It's a different feel, but also very intense. I thought the regular season game was insane to go to, imagine what it is going to be like for a playoff game. If MSJ can get over the home crowd and get points put on the board they will be in good shape. I just think the offense needs to show up along with that tough defense for them to be successful. For FC the fighting Theobalds defense needs to play 4 quarters to ensure a win. Coach L is going to put points on the board. Plus being at FC will help the Griz. I'll be honest I would like to see both teams win and advance. Good luck to both teams and represent in the playoffs.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 10:52:29 AM
So Saints Fan, are you saying FC and MSJ have little chance? We will see.  Be prepared to eat a whole plate full if FC wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 12, 2007, 10:55:25 AM
Theobald will have the fighting theobalds ready, I will almost guarantee it. He is a good coach and will have those guys ready. Leonard will score points, but let's not take this game lightly. It will take 4 quarters from all three phases of the game to win. Personally, I will expect 4 quarters of a game like we have seen at MSJ or Wabash. Tons of hitting and guys selling out.

I think MSJ will fare well against Wabash. It's a tough place to play, but I think that team is playoff ready and prepared for the atmosphere over there. if you can get past the rediculous chants they use all game, then they'll be ok. I expect a very close game from both HCAC playoff games.

Thoughts from the gallery?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 11:29:08 AM
no...I'm saying if your teams are taking it as lightly as you are....then you'll lose.  Its a statement about how you come across not about your team. 


They have a chance but like victorybell said, you need all three phases for 4 Q's....plus some luck in the playoffs.   Franklin has a home game against a team thats been in the playoffs for the third year in a row.  I think the staff has respect for a team thats done that, given Franklin's snub last year.  That said, they have the best chance of the two teams.  MSJ is ready to go to Wabash BUT that crowd in a playoff atmosphere....its going to be crazy. 

Take you rose colored glasses off for this one, 84...you're going to see a great game.   Try comprehending my posts rather than just think of ways to turn it around to fit in your vitriol-based schemes on here.

victory,

I think one team will win, but if we get both in...thats a great day for the HCAC.  We've never had two teams in contention for two berths, let alone two get in.  I also think we need to try to come in under the radar on these boards. . . I saw one poster on the "daily dose" who said something to the effect of "This is a new conference to watch"....they do however say they are new to D3. 

I think both teams have a chance, if they work hard and stop looking at these boards for what a bunch of has beens and never wases are writing about them. 

take the underdog approach and lets earn some recognition. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 11:35:13 AM
Saying it was going to be a hard fought game and FC has a slight edge due to home field is not taking it lightly.  As an TMC fan who has not seen FC play this year, don't assume FC is not going to come out on all 4 cylinders. Everyone knows this game will be tough. Unless you are Mt Union or a team like that, they all are.

essentially you are discrediting Wabash and MSJ in your earlier post.





Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 11:49:46 AM
essentially?  is that WITH or WITHOUT your glasses on?

I'm NOT basing it off TMC's "games" against Franklin.....I'm basing my opinoin on what I've seen from MSJ and heard about FC from people who've seen Franklin.  Hey its great to be a fan of your teams, but you have no respect for your opponents.   

Seems like you think the only football is played in the HCAC and Indiana...I'm saying the playoff game(s) will open your eyes.   

I'm not discrediting anyone.   I'm done responding to you.   Shortly, so will most of the people here....

and I saw that you already went on the CCIW and made an a$$ out of yourself there with the talk about how your defense gave up points in garbage time.  Brother, they already know that from seeing the scores and box scores of the game. 

Just enjoy the playoffs and quit trying to piss off the people here....your "serving" once FC does get beat is going to be large enough. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
Not sure what point you are trying to make.  I didn't say anything disresctful towards NCC so not sure what your deal is.  You need to calm it down IMO
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
Not sure what point you are trying to make.  I didn't say anything disresctful towards NCC so not sure what your deal is.  You need to calm it down IMO

Enjoy the playoffs. 


Sayer....I told you.    You also owe me $20.   Doesn't matter how much money I make, a bet is a bet. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 12:12:58 PM
We intend to.  Win or lose it is going to be fun. Tailgating is always fun  In the event FC wins, my boss is an alum of UW-WW and grew up there that will be blast as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 12, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
christ, can we all just get along.

honestly, where have the hanover posters all gone in the last few years? i know i was rough on them, but i doubt that i ran anybody off for being an a$$.

is franklin bringing in temporary bleachers for the end zone for all the students? i heard a rumor they were bringing a large set to keep up with the demand to see the grizzlies play?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 12:28:43 PM
VB57 - some folks are just more sensitive than others I guess.  If Hanover was still a contender the sparks would be flying.  If you are not VERY VERY humble you might irritate others.  Oh well.

Touchdown Club will be in full swing in SE corner as usual. Stop by for a cold one, a plate of food and introduce yourself.  Be warned, we are biased toward FC  haha

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 01:11:02 PM
hey victory,

just make sure the bridges are guarded by the police should the unlikely event that FC lose before taking on the teams from Jupiter in the Milky Way Gallaxial Tournament in January. 

you were very interesting when you first started posting, I'll leave it at that. 


MSJ needs to get Lovell healthy and get going on Saturday.

Franklin needs to make sure its defense is ready for a straight run it at you team. 

This might be the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2007, 01:24:39 PM
What did I do? Who played piano? I think your yanking my chain, however, one of the few things I do remember is throwing the football at the cop and missing him by about 4 feet. I seriously made that bet? What's sad is I kept going until about 12:30. To say, I am still not feeling right.

I do know I told Rod and Jeff Hill that this may have been the best job by an MSJ coaching staff since they have been playing football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2007, 01:31:13 PM
FC_84, I don't know much about NCC other than they are a CCIW team. I think FC is the better team, but you did compare NCC to MSJ. We thought we were similar to Wheaton in 2004 but found out really quick, the CCIW generally gives new meaning to pounding the rock. It's a better conference top to bottom than just about any in the country. Every game is tough and you are prepared mentally and physically going into the playoffs. I don't think FC scoring is the question as we know when they have the ball, they can and will score, it's FC's defense against the NCC offense. FC's offense may not get the opportunity to score all those points if NCC is as effecient as people claim. Not to downplay MSJ at all, but you'll see a more physical offensive line and run game from NCC than you did with MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 12, 2007, 01:33:09 PM
Even though my team was a complete disappointment, I'm still excited about DIII football.  Who ever said that the HCAC is a conference to look out for, I agree.  
If MSJ's defense comes to play, then Wabash should be ready for a tough battle.  MSJ has plenty of playoff experience & this years team I would say is better than last years b/c they have a pass game & very good run game plus their defense is still strong.  If they control the pass game then Wabash is in trouble.
Franklin is just plain o'good.  They were much better than everyone in the conference except MSJ & that might be their only flaw.  MSJ did get them ready for this game b/c they are pretty similar to playing style.  Hopefully Franklin is focused & ready to play.  
On accounts to DC I hope their players see the success of these two teams & realize that they could be at this level too.  They need to start preparing for 2008 right now.  They have a lot of talent coming back next year & should be a contender.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 12, 2007, 01:58:04 PM
I think the big key for Franklin in this game is going to be able to establish a running game against North Central. NC gave up an average of 66 yards per game this year. The teams they played this year grouped together averaged 209 yards per game. That means they held the teams to 47% of their average rushing per game. They also have only given up 7 rushing TD's all year.

It looks like North Central is more of a running team averaging 211 yds per game rushing and 175 passing. They have scored 26 rushing TD's and 17 passing.

Here are some match ups and where teams were ranked by NCAA yearly stats.

Total Offense: #4 Franklin O vs. #27 North Central D, #78 North Central O vs #152 Franklin D.
Rushing Offense: #34 Franklin O vs. #10 North Central D, #43 North Central O vs. #116 Franklin D.
Passing Offense: #14 Franklin O vs. #99 North Central D, #150 North Central O vs. #141 Franklin D.

As Saints Fan said I think Franklin can expect to see more of a running game from North Central as they try to use their offense as part of their defense to control the clock and keep Franklins explosive offense off the field.

Both defenses will need to keep each other out of the red zone as Franklin has scored 87% and North Central 80% time they have been in the Red Zone.

Hopefully both Franklin and MSJ can bring home wins this week so we can have more to talk about after Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on November 12, 2007, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 12, 2007, 01:58:04 PM
I think the big key for Franklin in this game is going to be able to establish a running game against North Central. NC gave up an average of 66 yards per game this year. The teams they played this year grouped together averaged 209 yards per game. That means they held the teams to 47% of their average rushing per game. They also have only given up 7 rushing TD's all year.

It looks like North Central is more of a running team averaging 211 yds per game rushing and 175 passing. They have scored 26 rushing TD's and 17 passing.

Here are some match ups and where teams were ranked by NCAA yearly stats.

Total Offense: #4 Franklin O vs. #27 North Central D, #78 North Central O vs #152 Franklin D.
Rushing Offense: #34 Franklin O vs. #10 North Central D, #43 North Central O vs. #116 Franklin D.
Passing Offense: #14 Franklin O vs. #99 North Central D, #150 North Central O vs. #141 Franklin D.

As Saints Fan said I think Franklin can expect to see more of a running game from North Central as they try to use their offense as part of their defense to control the clock and keep Franklins explosive offense off the field.

Both defenses will need to keep each other out of the red zone as Franklin has scored 87% and North Central 80% time they have been in the Red Zone.

Hopefully both Franklin and MSJ can bring home wins this week so we can have more to talk about after Saturday.

From NCC you can expect to see a pretty balanced offense. They would like to primarily run it but they can throw as well. they ran early in the season as their 1st team all conference running back, dominic sulo, was their horse. They started a sophomore qb who really came into his own as the season progressed and is now the likely candidate for Offensive POY in the CCIW. they have a very good offensive line and 2 good recievers. On defense their LB's are beastly, in particular #40 Wenger. They stunt and blitz regularly in the 3.3.5 defense that is difficult to prepare for if you haven' t seen it. their db's are physical and good tacklers.

NCC is playing its best football right now and will be a challenge for any team in this bracket. The challenge will be on both team's defenses to try and slow the other down. the team that succeeds in that effort will win IMO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2007, 02:18:37 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2007, 01:24:39 PM
What did I do? Who played piano? I think your yanking my chain, however, one of the few things I do remember is throwing the football at the cop and missing him by about 4 feet. I seriously made that bet? What's sad is I kept going until about 12:30. To say, I am still not feeling right.

I do know I told Rod and Jeff Hill that this may have been the best job by an MSJ coaching staff since they have been playing football.


haha..you were THAT drunk huh?  You bet me that it was David Carr that played the piano on the side and NOT Joey Harrington, as I thought. 

I went to the Cyclones game and then to Lodge Bar.  I didn't know until this morning (until my friend, Jody sent me a picture) that I had made an appearance at Main Strasse.  I lost my phone and my wallet in one of the cabs I took.....I woke up in some random apartment in Mt. Adams on Sunday
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 12, 2007, 02:55:58 PM
I agree will all on the FC game and what NCC can be expected to do.  I dont think they will load the box to stop the run as Rupp will go to the air.  I think it will come down to individual matchups as both teams run and pass well. It will take a balanced defensive effort for both.  I can see NCC wanting to run as this controls the clock.  FC did a decent job against Wabash against the run and was able run and to some degree control MSJ on the line of scrimmage. If they can hold their own on the line FC may have advantage from an offensive weapon stanpoint.  I do expect to see the best run game FC has seen all year.  Teams don't win conference championships and make the show without a a good run game. FC included.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2007, 08:35:36 PM
I think Saturday wore me out more than I thought. I'm starting to get legitimately sick (havent' had more than a head cold in 6-8 years) and I'm physically and mentally worn out.  Coaching, teaching, grading, and conferences don't help, but Saturday took its tole on me. Adam will be settling down for a while. That's a promise. Apparently I stuck my foot in a fire that night too.  To answer your question, I was that bad. I don't remember talking about anyone playing piano...and that was at 3pm. I was still going at midnight.


We have a wrestling scrimmage at Elder on Saturday that I'm gonna try to get out of and make the 2.5 hour trip to C'ville. I've always heard about the game atmosphere, but MSJ quit playing Wabash before I was there. Always thought it would be cool to play them. We always got the KZoo game from them during week 1.

PTR...Pass The Robitussin
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2007, 09:19:05 PM
Sayer, that "stuff" (i.e. Robitussin) tastes nasty, even with the attempt to put some cherry, grape or orange flavor in it. ::) ;)  As such, I usually try some other brand, although thankfully, have rarely had to use any of such "stuff" for quite some time!  Hope you feel better, and also good decision you are making regarding that "other stuff" ;).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 12, 2007, 10:57:05 PM
different? i feel i was more of an ahole than different. in any event, you can't really say i didn't have many valid points. the problem is that there is so much that spews out of my mouth that the valid points get misconstrued with the points meant to be nonsensical. often times i would post one and think to myself, "well, that is really going to piss of the hanover faithful." i never really took much of seriously, i did enjoy the competitive banter though.

i still wish those guys were around, even after i went after them hard. they knew football and often times had many good points. in my case though, i needed to take that approach since the grizzlies were still building and the panthers were still rubbing it in. i layed off severely after the first victorybell win. let's just hope it stays a mainstay as some colorful furniture in leonard's office. after going a few years over a decade to earn it back, i'm sure it would be missed severely if we ever took them lightly.

speaking of lightly, i'm sure the grizzlies aren't taking the playoff opponent lightly. i even heard they are bringing in the chanting hawiian that june jones uses to get the crowd fired up pre-game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 13, 2007, 01:19:32 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on November 12, 2007, 10:57:05 PM

speaking of lightly, i'm sure the grizzlies aren't taking the playoff opponent lightly. i even heard they are bringing in the chanting hawiian that june jones uses to get the crowd fired up pre-game.

The Kaamate Haka would be a great touch, given the heights that Griz football as ascended recently.  Hope the announcer can translate from the Maori... ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2007, 08:02:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 12, 2007, 09:19:05 PM
Sayer, that "stuff" (i.e. Robitussin) tastes nasty, even with the attempt to put some cherry, grape or orange flavor in it. ::) ;)  As such, I usually try some other brand, although thankfully, have rarely had to use any of such "stuff" for quite some time!  Hope you feel better, and also good decision you are making regarding that "other stuff" ;).

Old Grandad Whiskey works for me.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2007, 09:32:38 AM
Don't want to think about it. That may be the worst stuff around. I actually feel a lot better today and didn't take anything last night. Just relaxed after wrestling and got a good night's sleep. I think the combo of a workout, then rest helped.

I guess the only way you can convince men to go to an All Guys college is to have one heck of a game day atmosphere. Other than when Rick Wiehe's aunt won split the spot and when Leanne Parks was in the crowd, I never thought about a chick while playing. Coincidently, Tepee was the bearer of good news both times. I bet the porn sales in C'ville are through the roof.

Signed,
Adam Sayer (not to be confused with a soothsayer)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 13, 2007, 09:59:55 AM
Quote
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2007, 09:32:38 AM
I guess the only way you can convince men to go to an All Guys college is to have one heck of a game day atmosphere. Other than when Rick Wiehe's aunt won split the spot and when Leanne Parks was in the crowd, I never thought about a chick while playing. Coincidently, Tepee was the bearer of good news both times. I bet the porn sales in C'ville are through the roof.

Signed,
Adam Sayer (not to be confused with a soothsayer)


Academics through the work week,
Blow-out weekends for sure;
If 'tang is one's main course,
Some cavemen opt transfer.  ::)

Burma Shave.  ;D

Or as eloquently professed on a Monon shirt last weekend -

"DePauw Chicks and Football - It's What Wabash Does."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2007, 10:09:40 AM
hey you guys should check out the OAC board. 

There's people saying MUC wouldn't be MUC if they had to play their games against (insert conference name here) competition year in and year out.  I guess they are saying it would wear MUC down.


They got something coming to them this year....I'm GLAD MUC is out of the Region...its gives us HCAC teams and NCAC rep Wabash a great shot to win the regional championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 13, 2007, 11:06:43 AM
question for anybody who has seen mount union play:

how far above are they in terms of talent from the rest of DIII? do they just run a more sound program? do they they just have better schemes? or can they compete against the nationally rated DII teams? or is it a case of a philosophy that works and everybody buys in?

i am not going to question kehres, for sure he has earned the right to go the hall of fame when he retires. i just wanted an opinion from some people. i know BW, John Carroll, and other OAC schools have played them very tough in the past. I also know until the 90's the other OAC schools did very very well. have they just kept the foot on the gas with recruiting and never let up?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2007, 11:20:01 AM
victory,

I can't speak to having played against them but I can tell you that I've seen them on film.  They don't make mistakes...none.  They do all the little things.  They have alot of players to choose from (190 on the roster) and GREAT players have bought in enough to wait their turn to play as seniors, in some cases.  LK demands perfection....

Keep in mind, OAC schools can NOT leave campus to recruit.  Amazing. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 11:41:36 AM
Victory Bell. I recently spoke with David Pool, who is down here in cali working on his NFL retirement plan, and I asked him about Mount U, since his prep team plays them every year, and he stated" that Mount U, should be a D-1 team, they are that good" from the talent level, to the coaching. He even stated that their freshman team is good as well. As far, as talent they are hands down better then any other d-3 team and they will win the NATIONAL Championship. They are a powerhouse, they so much remind me of a team down here College Of San Fran, who like the Mount, has been destroying teams for years, and should not be even in Juco football, because their team is a make up of d-1 players, who beats everyone~~Most Jr. College teams, has a lot of d-1 bounce backs, but San Fran whole team, is d-1 bounce backs, from some of the top programs in the nation there, you look at a lot of the top programs, and see a larger percentage of College Of San Fran players playing for them!!! Getting the right players, at the right time. Hence, the Jr. College where I am, we had Brent Schaffer, and he was the top rated QB in the nation, bounce back from The University Of Tenn., but he is not even starting for Miss this year, because he came in this year out of shape, and not a leader, all that talent but he does not know how to use it correctly, or do the right thing!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 11:50:25 AM
I also wanted to give a shout out to Daniel Dufrene rb from Illinois, who had that big run against Ohio State, played down here at the college as, well as Woodney Turrene, starting over at L-Ville cb! Big Andy Maples, and Jason Townsend University Missouri, keep working hard, oh yeah Darius Passmore at the University Of Marshall, wearing Randy Moss Number; they took it out of retirement, because they think so highly of this guy!! As a coach it is so good to see players, that you have work with, living out their dreams, and getting a good education!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2007, 12:22:48 PM
I don't think those guys check this messageboard, most unknown   ???


I will also say that MUC does NOT get Division 1 players....maybe a player or two.  Most D1 guys will take the scholarship at division 1 and go there. 

They get Division 3 guys for the most part who are above average on the field and willing to pay attention to the detailed coaching they receive from their coaches. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on November 13, 2007, 12:45:55 PM
Big E is that you?  How are you?


Sayer,  Whatever happened to Leanne?

:o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on November 13, 2007, 02:21:32 PM
From my experience about MUC, and only judging from my experience (the game tape studying, and the playoff game against MUC national champ team) I could come up with a few things.  First of all, they don't have D1 talent, with few acceptions.  Pierre Garcon is an extraordinary reciever, his speed is unrivaled in D3.  Other than him, the rest are just really solid players.  Could most or all of them play on a higher level?  Sure, but the same can be said for most of the best players of each team across all of D3.
I wouldn't say MUC's success is a direct result of the level of talent, but due more to the absolute philosophy of the program.  From the dedication and skill of the coaches, down to the dedication and skill of the players.  On film they were obviously talented, but their schemes were not too amazing and their plays not unbelievable.  Honestly, on film, MUC looked like a beatable team.
It was mentioned earlier that they make no mistakes, and I will attest to that.  They are extremely disciplined, and when mixed with the coaches and players' talents, obviously makes a winning program.  They simply seem to have the whole package, and that's why they win.  Having rediculous amounts of walk-on players helps raise the talent pool as well as increase the amount of dedication that players who start will need to maintain their position.  Player accountability is a must.  It's a program that works.
All of this comes down to the final point, that makes any football team better, is the degree of high expectations.  Players at MUC know what is expected of them, and so do coaches of themselves as well.  This takes the atmosphere of a program from "You should win," up to "You must win," and finally reaching the point of "You will win."  They don't need to leave campus to recruit in a program like that.  Winners gravitate there, and the program reciprocates itself.

Ok, so it sounds like I'm glorifying MUC, but the truth is they've won how many national titles in the past decade and a half?  My point exactly.  They've obviously done something right to get where they are and if I were a head coach in D3 I would look back to where it all started and try to model my program after that.

In the end, understand that MUC is still a beatable team.  You just have to have a respective degree of talent and determination, but most of all poise.  Hey, even Ohio State can lose to Illinois.......
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 02:23:18 PM
What's up Tepee, how are you doing man?? and Saints Fan, those guys do read these conversation, because they have a few friends playing at the d-3 level!! and alot of d-1 guys fall through the cracks, because of issues, and I was one, who was going to sign out of JR. College with a d-1 down here in cali, but stuff happens. I was glad that I got a second second to play and graduate from a good college. It all depends on your circumstances and what school will take a chance on you, and i'm bless that Coach Hillvert took that chance, he sold the program there at the Mount, and it gave me a chance to get my life back inorder. I hold no regrets. The only thing that I regret was getting the advice of the great traning staff there at the college, and playing my last two years on a fracture ankle, which I recently had surgey on. Thanks trainers!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 02:36:54 PM
I agree with you stillmsj, it does goes back down to the players and coaches committing themselves to excellence, and transforming that attitude on the field, but when a Head Coach at a great Prep School tells me that the program over Mount U, can be competing at the d-1 level, then I will tend to listen, this man played for the Buffalo Bills in their glory days, of going to the Super Bowl four straight years, and he knows talent. Hence, you made a lot of great points, and any given team can be beat on any given Sat, but to beat a team like that, you will have to minus your mistakes, out score them, and play flawless football, mistake free for four quarters, and a lot of teams, have not done that. Mount U, plays in what is arguably the best conf in the country, and the competitors that they face within their conf is great competition, but they continue to blow these teams out; so that tells me one thing; either the Mount is that damn good, or the competition is average. Please help me understand that? I have seen some great teams, some great individual players, and they seem to have both. Maybe the players at  msj who played against them can chime in on this? I'm not riding their band wagon, just going off facts, and the fact is they are better then every other team in the nation, and until someone beats them, then that debate will continue! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2007, 02:43:15 PM
Someone say a prayer for me. It's round 1 with the parents for conferences  :'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 02:48:11 PM
!Ok, lets talk MSJ and FC, both teams are going to face some good quality teams, but I truly believe that both can come out with a win, they both just have to remember what got them to this point, and take their games up to the next level. There is a vast difference between regular season games and post season games, everyone is taking their level of play up a notch, and I hope both MSJ and FC can do that!! It should be rocking at FC stadium on Sat hosting a post season game is a great accomplishment
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 13, 2007, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on November 13, 2007, 11:06:43 AM
question for anybody who has seen mount union play:

how far above are they in terms of talent from the rest of DIII? do they just run a more sound program? do they they just have better schemes? or can they compete against the nationally rated DII teams? or is it a case of a philosophy that works and everybody buys in?

I don't recall if we came down to Defiance to watch MUC when I was a child.  I half remember sitting in the stands for that game (the old bleacher stands...before they built Corressel Stadium), but I don't know if it is actual memories or what people who played on that DC team later told me about the game.  I've been to DC games since I was about 6 years old, so a lot of those games kinda run together anymore.  In any case, it was long enough ago that it probably wouldn't have anything to do with this MUC team.

Here's something to chew on.  David Rothman's FACT ranking:
 89 San Diego St         I-A    4  5 
90 Houston              I-A    6  4
91 NW Missouri St       II     9  1
92 Central Washington   II     8  2
93 Mount Union          III   10  0
94 Massachusetts        I-AA   8  2
95 Miami OH             I-A    5  5
96 James Madison        I-AA   7  3
97 Bowling Green        I-A    6  4
100 Notre Dame           I-A    1  9
217 Central IA           III   10  0

Better than all but 6 D-II schools and 7 DI-FCS schools.

Or, perhaps you prefer Massey instead (using his MOV ratings, not the politically correct BCS ratings).
 71 Tulsa            FBS   7  3
72 C Michigan       FBS   6  4
73 Fresno St        FBS   6  4
74 Richmond         FCS   8  2
75 Mt Union         III  10  0
76 Pittsburgh       FBS   4  5
77 Appalachian St   FCS   8  2
78 S Illinois       FCS   9  1
79 Navy             FBS   6  4
111 Notre Dame       FBS   1  9
192 WI Whitewater    III   9  1

He has them behind only 3 D-II and 4 DI-FCS schools.

Both of these also rate MUC better than every school in Ohio except Ohio State and Cincinnati.  They also have them rated better than Notre Dame.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
Sayer- Watch our for those parent who try to bully you & make it your fault their "wonderful" child is failing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 02:53:38 PM
That's some great information. I don't think that anyone on here doubts Mount U talent, and supreme dominance above all the rest, wow above some d-1 schools huh! Do you think Mount U could defeat ND???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2007, 03:41:28 PM
Mount Union is a great program, but if they were to play Notre Dame or even Bowling Green or possibly Central Washigton they would lose those games.  I do not want to take anything from them, but it is the difference of having a few guys running a 4.3 40 to a bunch of guys in DI & DII.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 13, 2007, 03:46:17 PM
I don't think Notre Dame could beat a dirty rug right now.  That team is awful. 

The Wabash crowd has been quiet on the playoff front so far...it takes a few days to get the wind back in the sails after losing to DPU (which is actually something that I think could be a big factor...I'm hoping not, but it could be).  I'm curious to hear from the Franklin crowd how they think the two teams (MSJ and Wabash) match up. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 13, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Wally Wabash, being MSJ alum. I have not had the pleasure of seeing the team play this year, but what I have heard is they have a solid team, with solid role players. They have had some key injury this year to their star RB, I don't know his status, and what's going on with Mike Jones, and he has been non-existent, is he hurt? MSJ has a tough defense, and a solid offense, so it should be an interesting game. I'm still gathering some information about you guys. I know you have a solid Linebacker up there, and some good players should be a nice test, for both teams, not much scoring, but I predict that MSJ will win 17-14! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 13, 2007, 04:43:22 PM
and as pat coleman would say, a few good qb's.

i've seen them on film a lot, and i noticed one thing. they all know what they are doing on each play, and they all try to do it to the best of their ability. if something goes wrong, they go back and try again. by that i mean, they go full speed on every play. i'm sure we played with guys who couldn't do that everyplay for whatever reason.

i met a guy who played at mount union and said kehres has an interesting way of motivating his players. he agreed with his style, just said it puts a lot of pressure on them during practice. everything was demanded  to the enth degree, and nothing went unnoticed. it was like the play had to be perfect or they were penalized 5 yards and had to go 15 to get the first. everybody knew it was your fault, and you got another chance to get it right or you were bumped out. he also said when guys didn't go full speed in team situations, they were yanked out and a coach made them do up/downs, run steps, run a gasser, or something to annoy them so they didn't go half speed again. oh, he said he one guy talk once during practice, just once.

he may actually be the modern day bear bryant!!

as strict as that seems, he also did say they didn't practice on fridays his senior year because kehres told them they looked faster on saturday when they just watched film for an hour on friday. he also said kehres is revered like the god father, and that every player would eat a brick for him. while he is tough, he said he never heard him say stuff like "hey you fat sob, or are you stupid, or anything like that." and one more thing he thinks the guys respected was that kehres would walk by a lowly 4th stringer sometimes and say "hey, that was a good catch two weeks in 7 on 7's, i'd like to see you keep improving."

it may sound trite, but i loved hearing how the program operated from one of the former players. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2007, 07:28:47 PM
I know it's wrong...but the thing that sticks out most from conferences is how many hot moms there were. I thought I was teaching in Beverly Hills for a second.

Basically MUC is the way they are because in a nutshell, they do one thing...pay attention to detail.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 13, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
Adam,

MILF's are never wrong!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 14, 2007, 01:01:14 AM
It was a 90 degree September Saturday when we were introduced to a definite playoff football team.  The Griz were in mid-season form on both sides of the ball.  What amazed me the most about Franklin was their almost perfect play calling.  If this is the Franklin you guys know better than I, they will be a dangerous playoff opponent.

Franklin's campus was like a rock concert for that home-opener, I can't imagine what it will be like this Saturday.  Truely enjoyed the HCAC football atmosphere at both Manchester and Franklin...classic college football.

Bring it Grizzlies!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 14, 2007, 08:07:08 AM
leonard is all about the atmosphere
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 14, 2007, 09:19:09 AM
MKU: Mike Jones is out for the season, but I'm not sure for what injury.

Going back to the MUC topic because having played against them that the calibar of athletes that they do bring in is definelty up the level than most other players in DIII.  Then when a team adds all those other intangibles that have been brought up.  As it was already said, it makes for  one extrodinary team.  Just think about that 05 team of MSJ.  How many of those players could have seen playing time, not even being ligt starts?  Maybe half a dozen or so?

Looking back on that game I can honestly say that I have never played against a O-Line that a) was so well coached in Tech, never made a mistake to captilize on as well the blocking shcemes b) a line with such good feet that run laterially on toss plays and run period to cut LB's like Volker, Ackerman, and Hogel (mostley b/c they would cutblock though).  And a line that had such feet to pass block and get their hips in front of a defender.  c) then combine all that with the power to blow guys off the ball in the second half to pound the rock down your throat.

Now I don't wont to seem like I'm jumping on the band wagon either, but far they were the best football that I have every played against.  Maybe that was because we never played teams other HCAC compition, and getting a taste of OAC was a rud awaking.  A topic that has been discused here before
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 14, 2007, 09:20:01 AM
Does any one know anything about Wabash and their O?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 14, 2007, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: M and L on November 14, 2007, 09:20:01 AM
Does any one know anything about Wabash and their O?

They average 100yds rushing per game and 316yds per game passing.

They rushed the ball 294 times and attempted a pass 316 times.

When they get in the Red Zone they scored 74% of the time.

They lost their Sr. Quarterback for the year in the first game of the season against Franklin in which he threw for 477yds. It looks like his backup has stepped in and done a good job.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 14, 2007, 11:29:04 AM
"They lost their Sr. Quarterback for the year in the first game of the season against Franklin in which he threw for 477yds. It looks like his backup has stepped in and done a good job."

Sophomore QB, Matt Hudson, 6'6 230 - #4 in the country in Passing Efficiency (behind Wash & Jeff, Mount, & Rupp) at 176.5 Passer Rating.  On the season - became the starter in game 3 - 149 for 208, 18 TDs, 6 INTs for 2,032 yards.  I would say the strength of the team is the WR crew...athletic, fast, and Hudson does a nice job spreading the ball around.

Wabash SID Brent Harris should post the Weekly Press Release soon with the 2-deep matchups.

Looking for a very good game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 14, 2007, 11:39:45 AM
Macke, That was a pretty good description of me you put out there   ;D

Adrian Peterson went from killing everyone else in my Fantasy League to just killing me now. Should have known better than take someone who has been "Griffeynized" before he ever stepped on a NFL field. Shame too. He would have had a chance to put up 2,000 this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2007, 11:51:40 AM
Yeah, I'd say he's done quite a bit more than "good job". . .

and its good to see Hubie getting interviewed in the ATR for this week.  Though, I disagree with him about "should have shut out Thomas More". . . 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2007, 11:54:08 AM
adam,

if you took "AD" this year and were counting on him, you need to hang up your fantasy whistle.  He was at best scheduled to share carries with Chester the molester.  Please tell me you have two other starting RBs...

Ann Arbor is a whore...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 14, 2007, 12:01:53 PM
Well it seems Wabash has a qb, who has step in and taking his team to the Play-Off's. The game will come down to who makes the fewest mistakes, and what defense/offense come to play. I have been told that the Mount starts off slow, and catch fire in the second half?? When your in the Play-off's your going to have to step it up. Wabash seem to have a few RB, that they get invloved in the mix, as well, as a handful of WR. I don't know wabash, but it seems from season stats, that they want to establish the run, and then catch you on your heels with the pass, but they give up some yards on defense, so with full strength RB(Loveall, Kevin C, whoever) and a soild effort from the o-line, and a complete effort on defense from the SR, who have been there the last couple of times. MSJ should be ready to go, watch out for the trick plays early. Teams start throwing in new wrinkles to catch you off guard!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 14, 2007, 01:51:17 PM
Sayer- they are saying Peterson will possibly miss only 1 week, but that was from the trainer though. 

From SaintsFAN lovely discripition of the city that hosts a school that will monkey stomp a certain school named after a hairless nut.  Did anyone catch the HBO show about Michigan & OSU's rivalry?  I got a little choked up at the end when they were talking about Woody & Bo's relationship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2007, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 13, 2007, 09:59:55 AM

Or as eloquently professed on a Monon shirt last weekend -

"DePauw Chicks and Football - It's What Wabash Does."

that is freaking Hilarious...that is how you should treat a rival
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2007, 02:17:08 PM
Hasbeen i got it on the Tivo.  i was too freaking tired and passed out at 10:00 last night.

i got a text message the other day from a buddy asking what time it was.  was not for sure why cause i figured he had a clock on his phone but he likes to drink so i figured he needed some help so i shot him a note back saying 4:34 which he replied No Dumbass it's Tuesday Afternoon and Michigan still sucks!!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2007, 02:23:42 PM
I would say that our m.o. is to run just enough to keep you honest, but the bread and butter is to spread out the defense with short to mid-range passes, and a couple deep balls to Russell sprinkled in for good measure.  

Defensively, definitely a bend but don't break philosophy, we'll give up yards, but tighten up when needed.  The defense goes as Pynenberg goes.

Special teams - Finley has done a good job punting this year, placekicking has been an issue all year.

If MSJ can keep the chains moving, control the clock, and keep our defense on the field, they will have an excellent opportunity to win.  If we can get our defense off the field and win the field position battle, I like our chances.  A couple of turnovers would be nice as well.

I'm guessing the final score will be within 7 points either way, as I believe the teams to be pretty evenly matched.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 14, 2007, 02:28:59 PM
Based on my direct observation of Bash when FC played over there, WabashCPA is on the money with Bash does. Franklin was able to put up over 500 yards in a loss.  Near the end of the 4th both teams combined for over a 1000 yards of offense as I recall  Tremendous game except for the the coach going brain dead for a moment and letting QB Huff on the field for an onsite kick.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 14, 2007, 02:36:00 PM
Wabash press release with game preview:

http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/Release111407.pdf
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 14, 2007, 03:07:40 PM
http://www.heartlandconf.org/Football/2007/07_fb_all_hcac.htm all-HCAC players.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on November 14, 2007, 06:53:08 PM
Pat, how many schools play d3 football?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 14, 2007, 06:58:00 PM
Good stuff Bash basher 16, also congrats to those players, who were honor with All Conf honors, also special congrats to Rupp and Dillon, and the Defensive Lineman from Rose Hillman, who installs fear in all the coaches, for receiving the highest honors, and getting the respect of all the coaches, who votes for Player of The Year honors, great accomplishment, all the hard work paid off, keep it going in the Play-Off's for those that are competing still. I honestly would give up all my awards for a ring. I have one when I played for my JR. College, but would had been nice to get another! Also congrats to Coach Leonard two years in a row! Also bash basher, it seems that Both Wabash and MSJ are similar in so many ways, both have good running games, and both use the short passes, to keep the Defense guessing. Wabash is giving up more yardage though, should be a great game though. I got the Mount winning by 3 points 17-14. SR should step up this round, they have the experience in the Play-Off's, and should be ready to get that bad taste out of their mouths, from losing 3 years in a row!! Hubbie is running the 50 defense up there, wow~~
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 14, 2007, 07:21:05 PM
i think the key to the msj / wabash game will be msj's defense. they are always tough and if they can keep that O in check, i can see them getting the W.

did you read the bracketology? every team has a stop in alliance with mount union winning it all. that didn't take long to write. way to spice it up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 14, 2007, 07:58:58 PM
I am officially out for this weekend. The head coach has a son who plays soccer and they are playing in the State Championships (the kid is 9!!!!!) What 9 year olds play state championship games??? Regardless, I have to be with the team this Saturday for the scrimmage. By the time I'd be able to leave, it would be 11:30/12:00, Cincinnati time.

Other important things:

Screw Blue
Go Blow
and Ann Arbor is a Whore

WHY??? Cause I'm from O-HI-O.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billrt66 on November 14, 2007, 09:38:19 PM
Wally:  As a self proclaimed long time Grizzly fan I can tell you that MSJ has a great personnel,  are well coached and they play really excellent defense. My impression from watching them over the past several years when the played Franklin is that their defense is consistently ahead of their offense....lots of D line size and linebacker speed. They like to control the ball and are not very likely to go for the home run, rather consume clock with an offense that is happy to play in front of your defense....they don't really stretch the field. Having said all of this I think Wabash is more balanced on both sides of the ball.....they remind me more of Franklin in that they can score in a number of different ways and can score in bunches.  Wabash's D is as good if not a little better and I give the nod to Wabash as a more balanced attack.  I said it earlier in the year, but I really think the Franklin Wabash game has the excitement to become a real anticipated "war" each year.....I for one hope it continues.  I can't wait until Saturday.....its going to be "nuts" at Faught Stadium in Franklin!!!!   GO GRIZ !!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 14, 2007, 09:46:31 PM
Anyone else see/hear about this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=bigtenmayhavemadeaveryco&prov=tsn&type=lgns

I have no idea what mistake the crew made. If they did make a huge blunder and were being investigated, why on Earth would you let them do another game?

Lloyd Carr is contemplating retirement. I've enjoyed Jimmy T kicking his a$$ through these years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billrt66 on November 14, 2007, 09:52:41 PM
Most Known, Unkown:  Don't forget about Robbie McAtee who played two years for Franklin as a backup wideout (playing behind Danny Sears)....he transferred to UK and walked on and is now playing defensive CB in the best D1 conference in the country......the SEC!!!   Another example of the "hidden talent" in Div. III !
Go Griz!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 14, 2007, 11:09:06 PM
i agree with billiam on the eventually war each year with wabash. i look forward to it. two great teams killing each other. then franklin and msj kill each other. then it will be a love triangle in the playoffs as msj and wabash kill each other. there is something to be said for good old fashioned hitting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 14, 2007, 11:55:14 PM
QuoteInsert Quote 
i agree with billiam on the eventually war each year with wabash. 

Sorry, V-Bell.  Unfortunately, it's not going to happen - at least in foreseeable future due to a longterm agreement between the UAA and NCAC.  My understanding is that Wabash plays UChicago and WashStL in addition to DePauw and the regular NCAC schedule next year.  Gremlins from Greendingle aside, the other rivalry that's most heated for Wabash is Wittenberg, though Wooster is a fun, hard-fought outing as well (so I like bagpipers...).

Historically, 'Bash played against both Hanover and Franklin in 1886 before starting their series with DeBauch (1890).  According to records, Franklin (34-9-3) has been the fifth most scheduled opponent behind the Dannies (53-52-9), Butler (19-39-9), Rose (36-9-3), and Hanover (34-12-1).  After the aforementioned, Earlham (32-5-1), WashStL (23-15-2), Purdue (8-19-2), Albion (18-17-1), and Ohio Wesleyan (18-13-2) are on the charts as opponents met in excess of twenty-five times.

Sorry you aren't going to make it to C'Ville, Adam - guarantee it would beat watching a bunch of pee-wees in cute, little silk pantaloons, and much better scenery.  ;D  BTW, it was darned fun seeing Cooper go 1-5 against Carr a$$ well.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2007, 08:19:56 AM
Adam,

Seriously, if your coach allows his kids to play soccer, you need to get away from him.   Soccer is a girls sport. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2007, 08:19:56 AM
Adam,

   Soccer is a girls sport. 

Amen,

I think that the MSJ Wabash game is going to similar to that of the Franklin game, but MSJ coming out on top by 3pts with Kevin Koch field goal
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:08:09 AM
Sayer, and time  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 15, 2007, 09:24:41 AM
It's great playing a tough schedule, I bet Wabash wants a break in their non-conference once in awhile. I would be willing to bet that when they made the series a few years ago, that's what they were thinking. Good ol' leonard really F'd that up for them.

Wash U is a shell of the program they used to be, and Chicago always has potential. But when your players need a 1270 sat to get in, well....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 15, 2007, 10:08:05 AM
QuotePosted by: victorybell_57  Posted on: Today at 09:24:41 am   
It's great playing a tough schedule, I bet Wabash wants a break in their non-conference once in awhile. I would be willing to bet that when they made the series a few years ago, that's what they were thinking. Good ol' leonard really F'd that up for them. 

If were to hazard a guess (and that's all I can do), it probably wasn't a decision made in Crawfordsville, but by the NCAC as a whole.  Oberlin, Kenyon, Denison, 'Gheny, Wooster, and Hiram all play either Case and/or CMU on an annual basis, and there may have been pressure exerted since only four UAA schools offer gridiron as an elective. 

It's rumored league schedulers even removed OWU from 'Bash 2008 docket in exchange for either the (futile) Lords or the Puppies.   ???  Ugh - canapes, mint tea, and poetry recitations at halftime, anyone?  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2007, 10:34:48 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 15, 2007, 10:08:05 AM
It's rumored league schedulers even removed OWU from 'Bash 2008 docket in exchange for either the (futile) Lords or the Puppies.   ??? 

This, I believe, has to do with the league's enigmatic "power ranking" system which they use to determine who plays who (or probably more appropriately who doesn't play who).  When the league made the schedule agreement with the UAA, it was summer 2005 which leads me to believe that the NCAC was using results from the '03/'04 seasons.  Those were two "down" years for Wabash and probably had the LGs "power rated" somewhere around 3rd or 4th in the conference and OWU probably somewhere around 5th or 6th and for whatever reason (I actually spent some time working out how they did this for the '07 schedule where the power rankings are listed) and it works out that those teams ranked 3/4 and 5/6 tend to miss each other.  It really makes little sense and the lack of transparency on the whole power rating thing makes it seem like smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2007, 10:51:03 AM
Quote from: tepee on November 14, 2007, 06:53:08 PM
Pat, how many schools play d3 football?

238.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 10:59:43 AM
Word around is Brian Kelly (UC's coach and former coach at GVSU) is the primary candidate along with Cam Cameron for Lloyd's job. Seeing as Lloyd is a stubborn old man, he may stick around. But his workhorses the last 4 years, the guys who were to be the Saviors of Michigan football, haven't lived up to their billing...hurt or not. I do believe Michigan has the best OT in Jake Long. We're talking about a guy who can probably start next year at LT as a rookie protecting someone important's backside.

Fight the team across the field
Show them O-Hi-O's here.
Set the Earth Reberverating
With a Mighty Cheer...Ra, Ra, Ra.
Hit them hard and see how they fall.
Never let that team get the ball.
Hail, Hail, the gang's all here,
So lets win that Old Conference now!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 11:01:17 AM
My prediction for the game is sealed...close to the vest. Don't want to upset no one and give anyone "Bulletin Board" material.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 15, 2007, 11:12:11 AM
VicBell or Grizz, etc. -

Just a question (no "tude" nor sarcasm here) - any concerns about Coach Leonard heading south to take over at Hanover???  I have heard that on several fronts for a few months now.  Interesting that there has not been any discussion...

I don't know, just curious.  I would think that would be a tough call for him professionally.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 15, 2007, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 15, 2007, 11:12:11 AM
VicBell or Grizz, etc. -

Just a question (no "tude" nor sarcasm here) - any concerns about Coach Leonard heading south to take over at Hanover???  I have heard that on several fronts for a few months now.  Interesting that there has not been any discussion...

I don't know, just curious.  I would think that would be a tough call for him professionally.
I'll just copy and paste my response from an earlier post on the same question below:

At this time I don't see Coach Leonard going back to Hanover. As he said last week after the win he was going to enjoy the ride while it lasts. I would think that if given the chance he would like to try DI as an OC before he would return to Hanover.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 15, 2007, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: billrt66 on November 14, 2007, 09:38:19 PM
They like to control the ball and are not very likely to go for the home run, rather consume clock with an offense that is happy to play in front of your defense....they don't really stretch the field. Having said all of this I think Wabash is more balanced on both sides of the ball.....they remind me more of Franklin in that they can score in a number of different ways and can score in bunches.  Wabash's D is as good if not a little better and I give the nod to Wabash as a more balanced attack. 

That's funny, that you said Wabash D is better then MSJ, Wabash is giving up more first downs then they get; they have the tendency of giving up the big play's to the running game, and a solid passing game can hurt them. I would not go out on the limb and say that their D is better then MSJ! MSJ has three shut-outs this year, and the defense is playing better since the FC game!!! Also if your defense is going to give up a lot of points, then you better have an offense that can score a lot of points, and that will not be the case. The most points that MSJ defense has given up is 28 points to FC, Wabash and FC are two different teams!! I don't see MSJ giving up 28 points in this game; , and I don't see Wabash given up 28 points, both teams enter the game on average only allowing 14.something points per game, so I will stick with my guns and predict MSJ 17-Wabash 14.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 15, 2007, 12:23:15 PM
Lol, I made it. I finally made second string, what an honor, a few hundred more post and I can become a starter! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on November 15, 2007, 12:55:25 PM
Pat,  Thanks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Most Known, Unknown. on November 15, 2007, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: billrt66 on November 14, 2007, 09:38:19 PM
They like to control the ball and are not very likely to go for the home run, rather consume clock with an offense that is happy to play in front of your defense....they don't really stretch the field. Having said all of this I think Wabash is more balanced on both sides of the ball.....they remind me more of Franklin in that they can score in a number of different ways and can score in bunches.  Wabash's D is as good if not a little better and I give the nod to Wabash as a more balanced attack. 

That's funny, that you said Wabash D is better then MSJ, Wabash is giving up more first downs then they get; they have the tendency of giving up the big play's to the running game, and a solid passing game can hurt them. I would not go out on the limb and say that their D is better then MSJ! MSJ has three shut-outs this year, and the defense is playing better since the FC game!!! Also if your defense is going to give up a lot of points, then you better have an offense that can score a lot of points, and that will not be the case. The most points that MSJ defense has given up is 28 points to FC, Wabash and FC are two different teams!! I don't see MSJ giving up 28 points in this game; , and I don't see Wabash given up 28 points, both teams enter the game on average only allowing 14.something points per game, so I will stick with my guns and predict MSJ 17-Wabash 14.

Don't read into this, Most Unknown.....this observer who is saying that Wabash's defense is better than MSJ's wasn't even at the Franklin/MSJ game.  Its just banter.   That game was played the same day as UK/LSU. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2007, 01:09:02 PM
My prediction is based upon Lovell playing...or not

I saw him play against Defiance and he was the player responsible for the seismatic shift in momentum that resulted in MSJ kicking a FG to take the lead.


I just washed and iron my Lovell jersey for Saturday.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2007, 01:11:38 PM
re:  Leonard.


You know what they say, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. 

I think we'll find out shortly after the season if FC will keep their beloved coach OR if he is going to turn over the reigns to an assistant.  Either way, you'd have to think they'd be able to sustain what Leonard has done. 

FYI, "enjoy the ride while it lasts".....could be interpreted a number of different ways.  Didn't he graduate from Hanover?  Its not like HC is just standing pat with the academic standards they put in place....they've brought them back to where they were before (if you can read at a 3rd grade level, you're in).  They also have Wayne Perry staying on to "fundraise"....sounds like a sleeping giant may be awakening again soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 15, 2007, 01:53:42 PM
SaintsFan,

If he decided to go back to Hanover I don't think that any of the Grizzly backers could hold it against him. I consider a head coaching job like a marriage, why end it while every thing is going good. On the other hand there have been some that have left for another thinking it would be a better fit. ;D

Also read this in our local paper about your alma mater.

Thomas More senior offensive lineman Brandon Lee, a New Albany native, will play for the American Football Coaches Association's Division III all-star team.
The team will represent the United States against the Mexican National Team in the Aztec Bowl on Dec. 8 in Chihuahua.

Congrats to Thomas More and to Brandon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 15, 2007, 01:55:42 PM
MostKnownUnknown,

I didn't read that post the same way.  I think he was stating that the Wabash D is slightly better then the Franklin D (not MSJ).  I would agree with that for what its worth.

Pynenberg (Wabash) in the middle (ILB) is about as good as it gets on the D3 level...all year long opponents have felt the same.  He is legit and he makes the entire D that much better.  That said, Bash will have to play much better then they did at DPU.

Yes, Leonard is a Hanover alum who coached under Perry for a long time with a lot of success.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
You always have respect for where you came from...or at least you should. Not only did Leonard play there, he coached there under a great coach. He's a part of the Hanover family and when your family is in trouble, you fix it. As SaintsFan stated, Hanover has reconfigured their standards and a "sleeping giant" may be awakening. There is no better time than to fix a situation than when your old boss is in charge of funding, your academic persons are on board, and you have a great tradition of winning.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2007, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
You always have respect for where you came from...or at least you should. Not only did Leonard play there, he coached there under a great coach. He's a part of the Hanover family and when your family is in trouble, you fix it. As SaintsFan stated, Hanover has reconfigured their standards and a "sleeping giant" may be awakening. There is no better time than to fix a situation than when your old boss is in charge of funding, your academic persons are on board, and you have a great tradition of winning.

Exactly.....nice view with a neutral person with no dog in the fight.

+K mofo

Its the same thing that Chuck "The Giant Blueberry" Weis did at Notre Dame....before the cake blew up on his face. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wags on November 15, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ncc58 on November 15, 2007, 04:09:06 PM
Wags, here's one to watch. The field at Franklin is grass. The last time North Central played on a grass field was week 1 against CUW!

Quote from: Wags on November 15, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2007, 04:18:16 PM
Quote from: Wags on November 15, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 

Depending on the size of the NCC travel contingent, you may need to be prepared for an SRO situation.  When Wabash played at Franklin in 2006, the Wabash fans were way, way more than what the Franklin visitor's stands could handle.  I watched that game from field level and I was far from the only one. 

Otherwise it's a pretty good stadium.  Don't stand in front of the cannon.   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 15, 2007, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: Wags on November 15, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 

Visitors stands are not the biggest. Do not know if they are brining in any portable bleachers or not. You will be able to bring in chairs and sit behind the rope in the north end zone and part of the visitors sidelines.

Should get their early because parking on the campus for this game will be hard to come by.  
Title: Facilities at Franklin
Post by: Wags on November 15, 2007, 04:52:53 PM
Hey midwestfb, wally_wabash and KYGrizzly,

Thanks for all the info (especially about the cannon)!

I believe that NCC came out of Concordia with a W this year and hopefully will remember how to play in the grass!

Is KYGrizzly a "slippery bear"??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 15, 2007, 04:54:35 PM
I'm not reading in too much on what was said, but with everything in life, we will just have to see on Sat, the guys on the teams are playing the games etc. As I had mention before, if HC offers Leonard a better package, then what FC is offering, and he has tides there at HC, why would he pass that, because as we all know. D-3 coaches are not bringing in the bank, and if you can get a good package for yourself and family, and go somewhere familiar why not. EX. Bob Huggins, he is a West Virginia guy, was offered the job, while at UC, but turned them down, then went to K-state, had a good recruiting class Freshman Beasley is a beast, and they have Bill Walker, then after one year of coaching jump ship, to go back home. I'm sure they offered Huggins a better deal then K-state, and it was home for him. He just got a steal yesterday, from a versatile player, from New York, and he will make a good impression on the team down there, but when you tell me that the former coach is staying on to help with raising funds etc. I laugh, because they are probably out raising coach Leonard future salary, whatever he decides to do, he will be in a great coaching position; he has a good team at Franklin, who have establish themselves, and there at HC he would have to re-establish their program; like he did FC. Hard choices huh?? :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 05:00:23 PM
FC Stands are tiny, however, there is ample space on either side to set up some chairs (More room away from the scoreboard). FC students usually line the area right behind the scoreboard endzone side...and when I say "right behind" I mean right behind. They are 10 feet from the endzone. To give FC credit, they usually do have a pretty solid game day atmosphere. I will say the last time I was there, the grass was long. According to Coach Mac, they grew it out cause they were afraid of our speed...we then had to remind him this wasn't DI football. Overall a good field surface. It has recovered since Hanover fans poured bleach on it to form a HC.

Is anyone else really depressed and miss playing football. I'm playing Thanksgiving morning, even with my torn up shoulder. It's still not the same as putting the pads on even though we tackle. I really do miss it and think about the fun every night when I go to bed.

I read in the Cincinnati Enquirer today about Eddie George and the OSU-Michigan game in 1995...you know, when Tim Bi"whatever the hell his name is" ran for 3 bills against the #2 ranked Buckeyes with players such as Eddie George, Orlando Pace, Shawn Springs, Terry Glenn (ala Future NFL Stars). Good article, I'll post it if I can find it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2007, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 05:00:23 PM
FC Stands are tiny, however, there is ample space on either side to set up some chairs (More room away from the scoreboard). FC students usually line the area right behind the scoreboard endzone side...and when I say "right behind" I mean right behind. They are 10 feet from the endzone. To give FC credit, they usually do have a pretty solid game day atmosphere. I will say the last time I was there, the grass was long. According to Coach Mac, they grew it out cause they were afraid of our speed...we then had to remind him this wasn't DI football. Overall a good field surface. It has recovered since Hanover fans poured bleach on it to form a HC.

Is anyone else really depressed and miss playing football. I'm playing Thanksgiving morning, even with my torn up shoulder. It's still not the same as putting the pads on even though we tackle. I really do miss it and think about the fun every night when I go to bed.

I read in the Cincinnati Enquirer today about Eddie George and the OSU-Michigan game in 1995...you know, when Tim Bi"whatever the hell his name is" ran for 3 bills against the #2 ranked Buckeyes with players such as Eddie George, Orlando Pace, Shawn Springs, Terry Glenn (ala Future NFL Stars). Good article, I'll post it if I can find it.

You mean Tshimanga Biakabatuka! ;D  Not hard once you've practiced it, but I can't blame the announcers for coining "Touchdown Tim"!  (And "3 bills" is cheating him out of about 50 yards - arguably the single greatest performance ever in a Michigan-OSU game.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billrt66 on November 15, 2007, 05:34:43 PM
Saints Fan:  You're correct......I was at the UK/LSU game that particular day.  I was also at the Franklin/Wabash game, week 2 of the season, and I did in fact catch an MSJ game during the year so I have seen both teams.  If you read the whole thing, there was no disrespect from me regarding MSJ, in fact I gave them a lot of "props"..... just an opinion based on what I observed watching both teams THIS season.  I hope for the good of the conference that MSJ wins!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billrt66 on November 15, 2007, 05:49:33 PM
Regarding Mike Leonard........and I realize I look at this through Grizzly coated lenses, but the fact is....he's not finished with the incredible rebuild job he has underway at FC.  Money is not the issue.....FC will meet or exceed anything HC would offer....thats not it.  Knowing the kind of person he is and what's important to him in his life, his word and the commitments he has made to the players he has recruited there really are far more important than making what could only be best described as a lateral move within your conference.....there's no good reason to "start another rebuild" when the one you have is working so well and you're still working on it.  Mike really embraced the tradition and legend of Red Faught and he understands where the program was and how he has returned it to where it should be.  If a D1 opportunity came along as an OC, thats a different story, but to slide sideways for no more $, have to relocate family, move kids out of schools where they are comforatble and established, etc., etc. makes very little sense.  Mike is too smart for that!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2007, 05:49:53 PM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071115/SPT01/711150344/-1/all

I not only remember the games, but I remember the first day of practice/physicals. My buddy drove me to camp cause I didn't have a car. The only thing I had was a bag of a couple shirts, shorts, a towel, and cleats. I was planning on sleeping in the multi-purpose room so the players comming in during the morning would wake me up in time for practice. fortunately, our center told me I could stay with him for camp...I stayed until the end of the semester. We had 2 football players and a wrestler crammed into 1 dorm room...and I had some serious athlete's foot!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 15, 2007, 08:16:19 PM
bob huggins is a drunk and has no moral compass, he'd leave wvu and miss his kid's graduation to sign somewhere bigger.

if leonard leaves franklin, then nothing is real in football anymore. he is the most real coach i have seen, and most honest. it sounds to me that if hanover is trying to lure him away with some big money, then president at FC needs to step up big for him and the assistants!!! maybe hire another full-time coach, and pay the competitive rates to keep quality people. as jack welch says, you pay for talent. i am praying to god FC doesn't learn that the hard way. we finally let unsworth coach his way out of there to get him, if this happens i'm not watching football for a long time.

look at what he has done for the school in terms of football roster, excitement, fans, the football program being one that is a real football program now, brought regional and national attention to the school: what else does the school want to pay that man his deserved price tag of 92k? you know hanover, if they are trying to lure him away, they are talking 100k money.

hey, i know it's DIII and this shouldn't be a topic of discussion, paying the coach out. but here it is plain and simple: Leonard brings more to that school in football roster size, school attention, and a great college atmosphere than they ever had. if they don't think so, they can go a different route and find out how much they miss him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 16, 2007, 07:04:09 AM
Quote from: billrt66 on November 15, 2007, 05:49:33 PM
Regarding Mike Leonard........and I realize I look at this through Grizzly coated lenses, but the fact is....he's not finished with the incredible rebuild job he has underway at FC.  Money is not the issue.....FC will meet or exceed anything HC would offer....thats not it.  Knowing the kind of person he is and what's important to him in his life, his word and the commitments he has made to the players he has recruited there really are far more important than making what could only be best described as a lateral move within your conference.....there's no good reason to "start another rebuild" when the one you have is working so well and you're still working on it.  Mike really embraced the tradition and legend of Red Faught and he understands where the program was and how he has returned it to where it should be.  If a D1 opportunity came along as an OC, thats a different story, but to slide sideways for no more $, have to relocate family, move kids out of schools where they are comforatble and established, etc., etc. makes very little sense.  Mike is too smart for that!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 16, 2007, 07:12:56 AM
forgot to write my post

BillRT66 is close to the program and FC and you can take the statement that money is not an issue to the bank.  Rumor also has it that that money is there for FieldTurf and lights.  FC has a highpercentage of their top players back next year and should start the season in the top 25. FC is not a one year wonder in the HCAC (and is not a product of a few teams being down as someone suggested a couple weeks ago on this board).

Looking forward to a great game on Saturday. FC appears to be a slight underdog according to the prognosticators here on D3 and some on this board.  That's OK. 

My Predictions:  FC 24  NCC 21.   Also  Wabash 28 MSJ 14.

Title: Re: Facilities at Franklin
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 16, 2007, 07:40:52 AM
Quote from: Wags on November 15, 2007, 04:52:53 PM
Is KYGrizzly a "slippery bear"??

Good one Wags, you can tell I'm getting old it took me awhile to figure it out. You may have given the coaches an idea to lather up the players in jelly so they will slip through the defenders hands. ;D

Have a safe trip over to Franklin and good luck to North Central, I am expecting to see an exciting game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 16, 2007, 08:48:43 AM
Ya, Leanord maybe family and all, but how do leave successfull program that you built in just a few short years to go some where else and try to do it all over again. 

I have to agree with KY Grizz on this since Lenord is stillll pretty young in his coaching career to move up the ranks in the NCAA levels to a DII or IAA as a postion coach or coordnator.

Although MKU does bring up a good point,  You go where the dough is!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on November 16, 2007, 08:55:17 AM
Quote from: Wags on November 15, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 

One of the best small college football stadiums around.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 16, 2007, 09:16:10 AM
Quote from: Wags on November 15, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
CCIW fans will be traveling to Franklin for this weekend's showdown!  How are the facilities at Franklin (especially the visitor's stands)? 

I know that they have moved in some portable bleachers for the visitor side.  It is my understanding they have cleared and reserved a parking lot for the NC fans to tailgate.  FC fans will start their tailgate tonight (Friday Night) and continue on into the night Saturday.  There is also a lot of standing room and expect people to be standing 4 to 5 deep where there is room to stand.  There will also be about 400-500 people standing outside the fence in the FC Touchdown Club lot and "ON THE HILL".   We have been planning for the largest tailgate
FC has ever seen.  Good luck to all D3 schools that will be playing on Saturday and remember we do this because "We Love Football".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 16, 2007, 01:05:59 PM
Leonard will make the right choice. The FC family has faith in him. And I am glad to hear that some of the other reasons that make coaches move, will not be a factor.

Other topics, since Hanover's head job is all speculation and assumptions. You know what happens when you assume, you make an ass out u and me. That is more intended for me, since I jump the gun a lot.

Faught Stadium: Great set-up. Visitor stands are on the small side, but as people have said, they are bringing in some additional bleachers. Go find the Grizzly tailgate pre-game, it is definitely worth it. Great people over there, and they do a bang-up job on the food and drink. Leonard has done a lot for the program, but these guys are just as important. Don't believe me? Eat their food and talk shop with them. You'll be a Grizzly fan for life.

I have been waiting to do a prediction on the games, so here it goes:

FC: 39
NC: 27

I think the un-sung hero in this game will be the FC defense. I think the offense will have to make a few adjustments and get their feet wet before Jochum's animals up-front establish who the men and who boys are. I am pretty sure the OL will put that front seven through the meat grinder before it's all said and done.

NC has some weapons, but if you've seen Theobald's fire on the sidelines, you'll see it in his defense this week. From what I have heard through the FC circles, the FC defense is ready to lay the hurt in a bad way.

MSJ: 15
Wabash: 14

I had a dream last night, I was in Lil Giant hard hat stadium, and MSJ was celebrating a goalline stand that wins the game for them late.

Not that I am Victordamus or anything, but here is a quick rendition of my previous dreams:

1.) Dreamt Tim Krumrie breaking his leg in the super bowl after watching Crunch Course.
2.) Dreamt John Elway flying in a helicopter fashion for two weeks before the super bowl, and I didn't know why. That was actually pretty strange.
3.) Predicted Theobald would deliver the game ball by parachute. I was wrong, it was some other guy, but it would have been nice if it was Theo.
4.) Dreamt Magic was retiring, but didn't know why.
5.) Predicted the Appalachian St. upset over Michigan

I'm joking, you guys killed me on that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FormerCard on November 16, 2007, 01:18:39 PM
Here are the game notes (scroll down to get them) for this weekends game between the Cardinals and Grizzlies..

http://www.northcentralcollege.edu/x34102.xml


Should be a fun one,  best of luck to both teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wags on November 16, 2007, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on November 16, 2007, 01:05:59 PM
Leonard will make the right choice. The FC family has faith in him. And I am glad to hear that some of the other reasons that make coaches move, will not be a factor.

Other topics, since Hanover's head job is all speculation and assumptions. You know what happens when you assume, you make an ass out u and me. That is more intended for me, since I jump the gun a lot.

Faught Stadium: Great set-up. Visitor stands are on the small side, but as people have said, they are bringing in some additional bleachers. Go find the Grizzly tailgate pre-game, it is definitely worth it. Great people over there, and they do a bang-up job on the food and drink. Leonard has done a lot for the program, but these guys are just as important. Don't believe me? Eat their food and talk shop with them. You'll be a Grizzly fan for life.

I have been waiting to do a prediction on the games, so here it goes:

FC: 39
NC: 27

I think the un-sung hero in this game will be the FC defense. I think the offense will have to make a few adjustments and get their feet wet before Jochum's animals up-front establish who the men and who boys are. I am pretty sure the OL will put that front seven through the meat grinder before it's all said and done.

NC has some weapons, but if you've seen Theobald's fire on the sidelines, you'll see it in his defense this week. From what I have heard through the FC circles, the FC defense is ready to lay the hurt in a bad way.

MSJ: 15
Wabash: 14

I had a dream last night, I was in Lil Giant hard hat stadium, and MSJ was celebrating a goalline stand that wins the game for them late.

Not that I am Victordamus or anything, but here is a quick rendition of my previous dreams:

1.) Dreamt Tim Krumrie breaking his leg in the super bowl after watching Crunch Course.
2.) Dreamt John Elway flying in a helicopter fashion for two weeks before the super bowl, and I didn't know why. That was actually pretty strange.
3.) Predicted Theobald would deliver the game ball by parachute. I was wrong, it was some other guy, but it would have been nice if it was Theo.
4.) Dreamt Magic was retiring, but didn't know why.
5.) Predicted the Appalachian St. upset over Michigan

I'm joking, you guys killed me on that.


My prediction NCC 35 FC 27
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2007, 02:39:22 PM
I know someone who did predict the App State victory over Michigan ;D

I think FC has a chance...better than any other HCAC team the last 5-6 years. The key WILL be the NCC O-line vs the FC D-front. Winner in the trenches, wins this game (I can't help but feel like John Madden after that one--Mr. Obvious here). As grumpy as I am that MSJ hasn't won...yet, I still root for an HCAC win.

FC 28 - NCC 27: FC scores late and the defense holds on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 16, 2007, 03:25:23 PM
Well I'm going to predict two HCAC winners, both of them in tight games.

MSJ 21 - Wabash 17
Franklin 28 - North Central 24

You got to be loyal to the conference.

Good luck to all teams playing his weekend.

On my way home to start on the pot chile we will be taking up to Franklin in the morning. It will sure taste good with a couple of cold ones.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAF78 on November 16, 2007, 03:35:39 PM
It was nice that the Franklin/North Central game got the "Spotlight On" write up for the college football weekend preview for USA Today.
Go Franklin beat North Central.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2007, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on November 16, 2007, 01:05:59 PM
Not that I am Victordamus or anything, but here is a quick rendition of my previous dreams:

1.) Dreamt Tim Krumrie breaking his leg in the super bowl after watching Crunch Course.


I hate you, you killed '88... 34 Seconds :'(

GOOD LUCK Franklin and MSJ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FormerCard on November 16, 2007, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: WAF78 on November 16, 2007, 03:35:39 PM
It was nice that the Franklin/North Central game got the "Spotlight On" write up for the college football weekend preview for USA Today.
Go Franklin beat North Central.

Is there a link to that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2007, 06:28:34 PM
Seeing that Franklin & MSJ are predicted to lose by all three people:

North Central at Franklin
Coleman: North Central 35, Franklin 34
Mann: North Central 31, Franklin 21
McMillan: North Central 33, Franklin 30, 2 OT

Mt. St. Joseph at Wabash
Coleman: Wabash 30, Mt. St. Joseph 21
Mann: Wabash 21, Mt. St. Joseph 10
McMillan: Wabash 34, Mt. St. Joseph 21

I wish all the best to MSJ & Franklin, make us proud! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 16, 2007, 06:31:39 PM
great team too, but damn joe montana!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2007, 12:56:30 AM
sounds like the NCC/FC game is tale of a team that is peaking now (NCC) vs a team that has been peaking all season. 

NCC blew out their last two opponents.  Two good teams in the rugged conference they play in....both finished 7-3.   FC hasn't been tested but twice this year because of their offense being so good. 

This game will be interesting. 

I think one HCAC plays it close and the other gets beat by 2 TD's
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2007, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2007, 12:56:30 AM
sounds like the NCC/FC game is tale of a team that is peaking now (NCC) vs a team that has been peaking all season. 

NCC blew out their last two opponents.   Two good teams in the rugged conference they play in....both finished 7-3.   FC hasn't been tested but twice this year because of their offense being so good. 

This game will be interesting. 

I think one HCAC plays it close and the other gets beat by 2 TD's

NCC blew out their last opponent (Carthage, which had given Wheaton their first loss of the season the week before), but did NOT blow out IWU.  Even the final score (23-7) does not indicate a blowout, but that score is deceiving.  IWU was down only 13-7 and driving for the go-ahead td midway through the 4th, when the bottom dropped out.  MSJ beat IWU worse than NCC did.

On the other hand, IWU's offense was VERY young, and they were a MUCH better team by the time NCC beat them than when MSJ did.

Bottom line, I'm not sure how the comparative scores regarding IWU should factor in to the NCC-FC matchup, but it should be quite a game.  I'll take NCC (overall, more tested), but in a close one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 17, 2007, 09:33:45 AM
QuoteThat's funny ... Wabash is giving up more first downs then they get ... tendency of giving up the big play's to the running game ... you better have an offense that can score a lot of points, and that will not be the case. The most points that MSJ defense has given up is 28 points to FC, Wabash and FC are two different teams!!

Interesting observations, MKU - Guess that's why they'll play the game, eh?  

The first down stat is accurate - opponents have three more first downs, with sixty more minutes in time of possession, 134 more plays, but 23 touchdowns less and a lot fewer yards.  Redzone scores versus all scores: Opposition has 16 TDs (of  20 total for year) and 4 field goals out of 33 attempts; Wabash scored 31 TDs (of 43 total) and 1 FG in 43 attempts.  Yardage differentials per play are even more telling.  Bonus first downs aren't provided when a club tends to eat up large chunks of real estate in short time spans.  Team efficiency is 168%+.  Defense is "bend but not break" by design, though it has sent numerous fans for their nitroglycerin bottles a few times.  ;)

Much has been made on this board about Franklin- Wabash comparisons, and rightly so.  Franklin and Leonard have put together a great season!  A few stats have remained absent from conversation - Franklin did put up 447 net yds in C'ville and were within a two pointer of tying after a sixteen point fourth quarter in their "second" week after the OWU game.  At the same time, 'Bash threw three fewer passes than Rupp and gained 188 more yds through the air and 106 more yards in their opener.  The Griz made one hell of a game out of it at the end, and never gave up.  Would MSJ have that same desire or firepower to climb back from a 28-15 deficit going into the fourth?  Again, it's why they play the games - changing dynamics.

With that, best of luck to the Grizzlies this weekend, and safe play and travels for all the participants.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 17, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
Lets go MSJ tied at 14, with wabash,!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 17, 2007, 01:42:31 PM
Is the MSJ/Wabash game on the net?  I can't get it through the MSJ website.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 17, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
Wabash radio is available on the Wabash.edu site

Click on the listen link on the right side menu


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 17, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
NB,

Go to either Wabash Football or Wabash.edu/football and click on listen live

Regards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 17, 2007, 01:56:22 PM
Stupid MAC it won't open it up.  Thanks for the help though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 17, 2007, 02:12:23 PM
Any luck, Nittany?  Where's the PC commercial?  Need any updates?

'Bash up 31-21, midway through the 4th, after an excellent drive and TD by MSJ.
8:15 left, LGs with 1st and 10 on MSJ 20.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FormerCard on November 17, 2007, 02:38:04 PM
NC 38-35 over franklin midway through the 4th
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 17, 2007, 02:53:48 PM
Touchdown Franklin. They lead 42-38. About 7 minutes left
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 17, 2007, 03:03:15 PM
Nice effort MSJ......Good game
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 17, 2007, 03:06:25 PM
Nice game by MSJ.  Held Hudson and the Wabash passing offense really well.
Hold on Franklin!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 17, 2007, 03:13:27 PM
Final score MSJ 21 - Wabash 31, alot more points then I expected, good game from wabash, good season for MSJ; have to get back to the drawn board,  FC is in a good game!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on November 17, 2007, 03:14:14 PM
NCC w a 20 yd td pass on the last play of the game to beat franklin.

NCC advances
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 17, 2007, 03:17:32 PM
wow, what a finish. FC had the game, good game and season for FC , wow  tough way to lose, a good battle, that lost will sting over the winter, but they can learn alot from the loss, congrats NC!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2007, 03:37:34 PM
I wasnt there, but the MSJ game went about the way I thought it would (as I told both VBell and SaintsFan - I was pretty right on wasn't I). Obviously, I'm always hoping for a MSJ win, and thought they could play with 'Bash, but with their injury situation, I knew it would be tougher said than done. They still had a great season and are slowly moving in the right direction.

The FC game went about the way I thought it would as well. More points than I thought, but still the same type of game. I figured during the game, neither team brought a defense and the team with the ball last would win.

I think both HCAC schools played tough and showed they can play with teams in the playoffs. We're still winless, but the conference gave a good showing and an upswing for our conference may be on its way.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2007, 03:38:34 PM
And MUC almost gave up as many points in 1 game as they have the whole season....still destroyed the team...FREAKS!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 17, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
Rupp is a special player and he and this Franklin team is far from being done with things.  Nice effort in the shootout with North Central!  A lot of respect for MSJ and Grizzley teams from Bashland.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on November 17, 2007, 03:53:09 PM
Great comeback by NCC!  Congrats to Franklin on a great season!  See you next month when the two square off in basketball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 17, 2007, 04:16:57 PM
Wild one at FC  NCC wins 44-42 on last play of game  20 yard pass for TD with 5.2 seconds left.  Great crowd, great atmosphere, great game!! Congrats to NCC. Both teams made some big plays.  Championship caliber football all around.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 17, 2007, 05:00:44 PM
i feel like crying right now, but i can't say enough for the direction leonard has taken this program. great season by franklin, hopefully a better one next year as well. they have been giving us something to cheer for, and are very thankful for that.

also, congrats to msj on another solid season, i imagine we'll knock horns again next year on the gridiron. i imagine it will also be another great game again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2007, 05:03:03 PM
Sounds like the FC/NCC tilt was a thriller....sounds like there might STILL be footballs flying through the air.


Nice seasons for both MSJ and FC.  Sucks the offseason is here now for all of us. 

Adam,

yes you were right. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2007, 06:16:17 PM
My day wasnt all bad. Beanie Wells rushed for 222 and OSU beat the state up north 14-3.  Could a Buckeye walk away with the Heisman again next year??? I'd always like a shot for the game but I'm kind of glad OSU has an outside shot at the BCS title game. I think they would get their clocks cleaned by LSU and Oklahoma. I think they could play with WVU, Kansas, and Mizzou.

We're sitting here waiting for the UC game. Go Bearcats!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAF78 on November 17, 2007, 06:25:27 PM
Great effort today from MSJ. Your safety, #4...what a hitter. Great player.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 17, 2007, 08:01:20 PM
Just wanted to come in and give a congrats to MSJ for a well played game today.  I wasn't sure how Wabash would come back one week after losing to DPU, but the LGs resonded well and put together a good game.  Anything less than what Wabash gave today and MSJ would have left victorious.  Good, fun game today and I hope you guys keep on with the success you've had over the last handful of years. 

As for Franklin...tough loss, Grizzly fans.  I've got big big respect for what's going on in Franklin right now and I was pulling for you guys...drawing the CCIW champ is a tough pull for your first rodeo and I think Franklin acquitted themselves very well.  Get back to the dance next year and do one better! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinaldad on November 17, 2007, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 17, 2007, 03:52:11 PM
Rupp is a special player and he and this Franklin team is far from being done with things.  Nice effort in the shootout with North Central!  A lot of respect for MSJ and Grizzley teams from Bashland.

How true bashbrother. Rupp is a special qb. He was very impressive. He can throw the ball on a rope and is exceptional at finding the open receiver....even when he is hurried. Franklin is a VERY good football team. Talking with a few Franklin fans after the game, they told me that they are not losing many starters to graduation. Agreed, they are far from being done!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinaldad on November 17, 2007, 10:21:55 PM
FC - congrats on a great season and a very hard fought game. Thanks for helping to provid one of the best games I've ever seen. I think any football fan, win or lose, would agree that that was a GREAT game to watch. Good luck next year!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2007, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2007, 12:56:30 AM
sounds like the NCC/FC game is tale of a team that is peaking now (NCC) vs a team that has been peaking all season. 

NCC blew out their last two opponents.   Two good teams in the rugged conference they play in....both finished 7-3.   FC hasn't been tested but twice this year because of their offense being so good. 

This game will be interesting. 

I think one HCAC plays it close and the other gets beat by 2 TD's

NCC blew out their last opponent (Carthage, which had given Wheaton their first loss of the season the week before), but did NOT blow out IWU.  Even the final score (23-7) does not indicate a blowout, but that score is deceiving.  IWU was down only 13-7 and driving for the go-ahead td midway through the 4th, when the bottom dropped out.  MSJ beat IWU worse than NCC did.

On the other hand, IWU's offense was VERY young, and they were a MUCH better team by the time NCC beat them than when MSJ did.

Bottom line, I'm not sure how the comparative scores regarding IWU should factor in to the NCC-FC matchup, but it should be quite a game.  I'll take NCC (overall, more tested), but in a close one.

Not sure if I should claim any prediction credit - would this count as 'a close one'? ;)

Congrats to Franklin on a great season (and MSJ, too).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 17, 2007, 10:52:22 PM
I'm not surprised that FC/NCC was that close.  I've been saying since September '06 that FC was legit and they are.  I think they got a tough draw with the CCIW champ this year and I do think that they'll be back next year.  FC/NCC was the hardest game on the board for me to pick this week and the result confirmed that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 17, 2007, 11:03:26 PM
yeah, it was a tough draw. but you have to play who they put in front of you and i know leonard and staff will the grizzlies back again next year. i would also like to say that the fans from other conferences and teams are very classy. just wish we would have won of those hcac games today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 18, 2007, 03:51:15 PM
Since HCAC football is over, I have something to talk about. After church (I am half-way good) I was listening to the radio and the guy was talking about the most important position in football next to the QB. He had put Left Tackle at #2, but the players, polled by Sports Illustrated, ranked the Center #2. It was an interesting conversation.

Personally, I'd choose
1. Left/Right Tackle (depending on which arm your QB throws with)
2. Pass Rushing DE
3. Any other player on the O-line
4. Running back
5. Shutdown Corner


That would be my top 5.


And the Bengals are awful!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 18, 2007, 08:28:26 PM
i don't know how much the LT plays into the college game anymore. it's important, but with teams using slide protection so much, it's not the man on man blocking scheme it used to be. Even in the pros there is so much slide pro to pick up all the blitzes, it's almost insert a guy who knows this protection.

in any event, here are mine:

1.) LT (i still think you need an animal at tackle)
2.) DT ( i like this guy because he is the guy on cut backs on the zones, or 2 gapping it front side. he is also the guy fighting off double teams on power plays. if he can move, he is a pass rushing nightmare more so than the DE. you have to slide to him, or block him man up which usually has the center doubling with the other guard. your guard better be able to move his feet, which they usually can't.)
3.) QB (i think this position is a lost art in football nowadays. quick drops, step and throw the damn ball. if you can't, go home.)
4.) RB (it's not difficult to read hats and make cuts up-field, but we see many having problems. we also do not see many durable backs in todays game, even with the weight room bonus we talk about.)
5. CB or Mike LB (shut down corner is great, but I like a guy like Andy Katzenmoyer. SOmebody who will knock people's heads backward, and not be afraid to fight the guerilla in the jungle. Did anybody see how many times OSU ran iso against Michigan? No mike backer, not like they used to have anyways.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 19, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
When will a HCAC team win a playoff game and advance to the second round?  Or are we just not that good enough?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 19, 2007, 09:04:47 AM
Quote from: M and L on November 19, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
When will a HCAC team win a playoff game and advance to the second round?  Or are we just not that good enough?
Both Franklin and MSJ had very good teams this year.  Getting to the second round was within reach for both teams.  The key is to continue to upgrade the non-conference schedule and play the tough opponents to be ready for late November.  It was great to see 2 HCAC teams in the dance this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 19, 2007, 09:18:07 AM
Quote
Quote from: firstdown on November 19, 2007, 09:04:47 AM
Quote from: M and L on November 19, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
When will a HCAC team win a playoff game and advance to the second round?  Or are we just not that good enough?
Both Franklin and MSJ had very good teams this year.  Getting to the second round was within reach for both teams.  The key is to continue to upgrade the non-conference schedule and play the tough opponents to be ready for late November.  It was great to see 2 HCAC teams in the dance this year.

Franklin had the misfortune to run into a team that was really peaking at years' end, and NCC was better than seeding indicated.  Don't think anyone anticipated the injury-plagued collapse of Wheaton, and the last two weeks' of rankings were affected.  

As for MSJ, they had some sterling plays in C'ville, but not enough of them to keep pace.
Some interpreted Huber's post game comments as "sour grapes," but "coach speak" being what it is, he might be defending the MSJ selection and does have the personnel to match up - it just didn't happen on that day, and he was torqued about it.... It was great to see two HCAC in the field, and is a stepping stone for the future.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 19, 2007, 09:54:44 AM
MSJ played well on Saturday and their Coach's comments were understandable.  Wabash is a stronger team than MSJ.  Nonetheless, MSJ gave it their all on Saturday.  Wabash was still shaking off the effects of the debacle the week before.  Fortunately the playoffs are a new season and all that matters is the game at hand.  Hudson made some mistakes.  Afterall he is a sophomore was was pressed into service after Huff's injury.  MSJ capitalized on those mistakes.  However, Hudson and Wabash kept their heads in the game, shook off the adversity, and won.  Adi and his hard hat defense stepped up made some big plays.  MSJ gave it 100%, but Wabash still isn't quite firing on all cylinders, but they are peaking at the right time.  Hudson has the tools, and is gaining the confidence and experience, and improved as the game went on.  The LG's need to step it up and play at their true potential to come away with a win a CWRU this coming Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 19, 2007, 11:14:37 AM
Been unable to access the site on my computer at home and had to wait till I got at work to post about the game on Saturday.

What a great game to witness in person, still feeling bad for the Franklin players and coaches.

For the seniors I know the feeling will be with you all for awhile but you need to keep your heads high for what you have done during your career at Franklin. Along with the rest of the team and the coaches you have brought a lot of excitment to the football program at Franklin.
I know the coaches and underclassmen have the same feeling, but once they get back into recruiting and off season conditioning this game will only make them work harder for the upcoming season.


Congratulations to all the coaches and players for a great season and looking forward to more in the future seasons.

Also want to congratulate MSJ on their season also. I am sure you will some some great games between these two teams in the future.

In regards to the question about the HCAC being able to win a playoff, it will happen soon in the future. Both teams played competively and the conference definetly got respect this year by placing two teams in the playoff.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 19, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
i think the hcac teams are good enough to win, and it was showed by the first round. msj is a good team, and played well against wabash. let's face it, they were probably an offensive player away from winning that game.

franklin played a tough team down to the wire, again. i don't think it would be fair to say the hcac can't win a game, because the conference is doing very well against non-conf opponents and played well in their first round. we also have to remember that those other teams are being coached up and playing hard as well. in the end, you just have to beat those teams.

don't give up the hcac, i have seen some huge improvements in the conference in the past 10 years. my hat still goes off to the entire conference. defiance is tough and prepared fc and msj for the dance. hanover's years of success motivated others to get better. i could go on, but i think the conference is going to keep getting better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2007, 01:16:07 PM
Quote from: M and L on November 19, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
When will a HCAC team win a playoff game and advance to the second round?  Or are we just not that good enough?

You've got to be able to pound the ball in the Playoffs.....the running game keeps the defense fresh and the opposing offense off the field.

Sounds like Franklin ran into a hot team that did everything right in the 2nd half and MSJ ran into a strong offensive team on Saturday.  Better days are ahead for the HCAC....I hope. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
It's not like MSJ was at "full strength" either. Mike lovell was playing with torn ligaments in his ankle and Mike Jones, Palmer's primary WR in the first half of the year was out. After reading some game notes, I think MSJ would have made a game out of this simlar to the NCC-Franklin game had they had a completely healthy team.

Regardless, FC and MSJ played great against other conferences. There is no such thing as a moral victory as a team or player, but for the HCAC, this may just be that. They didn't get a playoff win, but they didn't get blown out...which has been the case in recent years.

I do believe that one of the problems facing Cincinnati area D3 schools, specifically MSJ and to an extent, TMC is the saturation of college football in the state of Ohio, specifically the SW Corner. Cincinnati, Miami, Ohio State, Wilmington, Urbana, Wittenberg, Dayton, Mount Saint Joseph, Thomas More (not in Ohio, but on the 275 loop). I'm probably missing one or two. Those are just the ones who play football. Kids have a plethora of choices where to go to school. If MSJ, TMC, Wilmington, and Dayton were the only schools around, the programs would be exponentially better. Why??? Cause there is no other choice.

I really have no idea, but how many football playing colleges/universities are within a 100 mile radius of Chicago? I bet we have more. The fact that Chicago is about 6-7 times larger than Cincinnati. Tell me schools like Wheaton don't have an advantage when it comes to recruiting.

I know someone will bring up MUC as an Ohio school, but they are an exception. No one else does what they do!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2007, 01:26:11 PM
Wheaton, because of their religious affiliation, can pick from kids across the country. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CardinalAlum on November 19, 2007, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
I do believe that one of the problems facing Cincinnati area D3 schools, specifically MSJ and to an extent, TMC is the saturation of college football in the state of Ohio, specifically the SW Corner. Cincinnati, Miami, Ohio State, Wilmington, Urbana, Wittenberg, Dayton, Mount Saint Joseph, Thomas More (not in Ohio, but on the 275 loop). I'm probably missing one or two. Those are just the ones who play football. Kids have a plethora of choices where to go to school. If MSJ, TMC, Wilmington, and Dayton were the only schools around, the programs would be exponentially better. Why??? Cause there is no other choice.

I really have no idea, but how many football playing colleges/universities are within a 100 mile radius of Chicago? I bet we have more. The fact that Chicago is about 6-7 times larger than Cincinnati. Tell me schools like Wheaton don't have an advantage when it comes to recruiting.


Sorry, Adam, that argument might work somewhere else, but here are some of the 4 yr. schools within 100 miles of Chicago:

University of Chicago-D3, North Park-D3, St. Xavier-NAIA are in Chicago.
Concordia, IL-D3, 12 miles
Elmhurst-D3, 18 miles
Northwestern-D1, 19 miles
Benedictine-D3, 26 miles
Trinity-NAIA, 26 miles
Wheaton-D3, 29 miles
North Central-D3, 30 miles
Aurora-D3, 41 miles
St. Francis-NAIA, 46 miles
Valparaiso-D1-AA, NS, i think, 52 miles
Carthage-D3, 57 miles
Olivet Nazarene-NAIA, 61 miles
Concordia, WI-D3, 92 miles
Notre Dame-D1, 95 miles
Beloit-D3, 96 miles
Carroll-D3, 100 miles

I'm sure I missed some, but you get the point.

That 100 mile radius doesn't even take into account the other CCIW schools(IWU, Augustana, Millikin) and other IBC, NWC and Wisconsin State schools like Platteville that pull many Chicago area players to their schools. 

Wheaton rarely competes for the same type of athlete that other CCIW schools are after because of their religious affiliation.  But on the other hand, they do have a nationwide recruiting base also because of the religion.  I'm sure other Wheaton(Wheaties) people could explain better than me.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on November 19, 2007, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
I really have no idea, but how many football playing colleges/universities are within a 100 mile radius of Chicago? I bet we have more. The fact that Chicago is about 6-7 times larger than Cincinnati. Tell me schools like Wheaton don't have an advantage when it comes to recruiting.

Adam,

Wheaton's proximity to Chicago does not give it the recruiting advantage that you assume. 

First of all, as CardinalAlum points out, there are a significant number of D3 schools all competing for the best players available (after the D1 schools have cleaned up).  This has become all the more significant because many of these schools have become much, much more competitive as a program and thus are more attractive to perspective players - there are more choices of quality football teams now for high school football players.  If you only look at the CCIW, back in the 80's and 90's it was predominately Augustana, Millikin and Illinois Wesleyan if you wanted to play for a team with a chance to win the CCIW year in and year out.  Now almost any program in the CCIW, except for North Park, is competitive to the point of having a chance to win the championship.  Just look at this year... Illinois Wesleyan was picked 7th in the conference in the preseason poll and ended up a co-champion.

More significant is the type of player Wheaton is looking for...  Wheaton is a very strong academic school.  I'm not saying that others in the CCIW or in the HCAC aren't, but if you look at the average student coming into Wheaton, they rank very, very high nationally in ACT/SAT scores, along with class ranking, etc...  Wheaton is a private Christian college, where each student must recognize and adhere to a statement of faith (profession of believe).  And the other significant issue is that like other private schools, tuition is very expensive.  So prospective Wheaton recruits must be upper tier students, professing followers of Jesus Christ, who can afford the high tuition costs and oh, yeah... quality athletes.

Because of this combination, Wheaton has relied heavily upon Alumni through out the US to help find recruits.  I'd encourage you to look at the Wheaton roster to prove the point.  Wheaton only gets about 25% or so of their players from Illinois (of which most are from Wheaton).  Here is a breakdown of the 2007 Wheaton roster:

Illinois - 22
Texas - 9
Michigan - 8
Georgia - 5
California - 5
Pennslyvania - 5
Arizona - 5
Missouri - 5
Ohio - 4
Florida - 3
Minnesota - 3
Oklahoma - 2
Colorado - 2
Wisconsin - 1
Virginia - 1
North Carolina - 1
Massachusetts - 1
Alabama - 1
Washington - 1
Hawaii - 1
New Jersey - 1
Oregon - 1
Indiana - 1
Iowa - 1

Doesn't really look like a roster where the focus is primarily on the Chicagoland area, does it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on November 19, 2007, 04:00:24 PM
Mugsy is right. Most of the time the particularity of wheaton simply adds another filter for them to try and find athletes. where most competing cciw schools can walk into a Wheaton Warrenville South 8A program and find a handful of kids to recruit who are excellent students, great athletes, and can afford a high priced school (for which they will compete with many other schools), Wheaton adds the filter of being a christian college which means none of those same kids may even be on their list. For that reason they are forced to recruit nationally primarily through an alumni network.

So Wheaton's challenge is finding the student athlete that fits at Wheaton. ONce they do find that kid, they may have an advantage over other schools at the end of the decision process because they offer something to that student athlete that other choices do not which is important to that student. But getting to that point with a championship caliber athlete is extremely difficult.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 19, 2007, 08:01:40 PM
msj and FC could field players from that wide of a range of states also, but the school has to be willing to pay for the travel to go recruit those kids. for most DIII schools, that is not a real possibility. mount union can because of their national success and their name is well known. if i am not mistaken, mount union only travels to recruiting nights with coaches, and to out of state recruiting fairs since they cannot recruit in the schools in ohio.

while adam brings up the sw corner of ohio, he also is forgetting that hanover, franklin, earlham, anderson, rhit, etc probably recruit the same types of kids. you are also looking at the small schools from western pa who think that a short drive to cincy (where there is great high school football) is not that far for a kid to travel to play ball.

it's all relative though, mount union has to recruit against numerous small colleges in NE ohio and they seem to do ok.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
As I said, I really didn't know. Just off the top of my head, before kids came in for class, I got 8 (Chicago, Northwestern, Concordia, Wheaton, Elmhurst, North Central, Valpo, and Notre Dame - wasn't sure how far they were).

Wheaton was just an example (obviously a poor one). I wasn't picking on them...just that they are good year in and year out. Again, I was in a hurry with kids coming in and didn't have time to research...just threw it out their.

You also forgot their facilities...which are better than any I've seen while playing at MSJ.

You actually brought me to the point of my argument...just in a different way than what I wanted. MSJ needs to start looking in more places for recruits. Hubie does a great job of recruiting the areas between Indianapolis, Columbus, Cincinnati, Lexignton, and Louisville. But what if they went further and extended their recruiting base? Wheaton's roster has kids from everywhere, primarily due to their affiliation, but they have a large geographical recruiting area. Directly/indirectly, they can tap all 50 states for players. MSJ taps a circle that's about 300 miles in diameter give and take. What if Wheaton were to rely on recruits specifically from Chicago and Indianapolis and no where else...with the other schools around, they probably wouldn't be very good due to saturation.

While fishing with JacketsFan, he explained the lack of small schools in Florida and the South in general. He went on about how many players get missed because they don't have the size or speed for DI...but nonetheless, are good football players. I think MSJ would benefit, if Suriano and Hubie were to take 2 weeks and hit different cities in the south such as Atlanta and the Florida cities. Hell, Rod could play his guitar while on the beach sipping a bahama mama...looking at the mama's. I hate to "dog' where I'm from, but I don't think recruiting the the Tri-State area is going to win more than a playoff game...which so far has been a struggle in itself.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
Adam, recruiting from more than the 'local' area (however that may get defined) would put MSJ in rarified company in d3.  Wheaton is a special case, and the UAA schools of course, probably most of NESCAC, Johns Hopkins, CalTech, and only a handful of others really have national recruiting bases (though there may be many others with some specific non-local source).  While just about everyone gets a few recruits from far afield due to alums, most rely heavily on 'local' talent.

In terms of Chicago, you've got the western Big Ten schools (certainly both Michigan schools, Purdue, Indiana, and Iowa, but perhaps excluding Minnesota, who doesn't seem to recruit ANYONE lately!) plus Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, and some others (e.g., ND) skimming off the d1 talent.  Then there are the many d2 and NAIA scholarship schools.  All of the CCIW schools (except perhaps Millikin?) mine the Chicago area heavily, as do some MWC, WIAC, IIAC, and other schools.  I don't know how Chicago compares to Cincy, but it is hardly uncontested terrain!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on November 19, 2007, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
As I said, I really didn't know. Just off the top of my head, before kids came in for class, I got 8 (Chicago, Northwestern, Concordia, Wheaton, Elmhurst, North Central, Valpo, and Notre Dame - wasn't sure how far they were).

Wheaton was just an example (obviously a poor one). I wasn't picking on them...just that they are good year in and year out. Again, I was in a hurry with kids coming in and didn't have time to research...just threw it out their.

You also forgot their facilities...which are better than any I've seen while playing at MSJ.

You actually brought me to the point of my argument...just in a different way than what I wanted. MSJ needs to start looking in more places for recruits. Hubie does a great job of recruiting the areas between Indianapolis, Columbus, Cincinnati, Lexignton, and Louisville. But what if they went further and extended their recruiting base? Wheaton's roster has kids from everywhere, primarily due to their affiliation, but they have a large geographical recruiting area. Directly/indirectly, they can tap all 50 states for players. MSJ taps a circle that's about 300 miles in diameter give and take. What if Wheaton were to rely on recruits specifically from Chicago and Indianapolis and no where else...with the other schools around, they probably wouldn't be very good due to saturation.

While fishing with JacketsFan, he explained the lack of small schools in Florida and the South in general. He went on about how many players get missed because they don't have the size or speed for DI...but nonetheless, are good football players. I think MSJ would benefit, if Suriano and Hubie were to take 2 weeks and hit different cities in the south such as Atlanta and the Florida cities. Hell, Rod could play his guitar while on the beach sipping a bahama mama...looking at the mama's. I hate to "dog' where I'm from, but I don't think recruiting the the Tri-State area is going to win more than a playoff game...which so far has been a struggle in itself.

No problem... I was just giving information about Wheaton recruiting that most away from the CCIW aren't as aware of.  I didn't sense you were picking on Wheaton.  

You have some valid questions about how a program might be affected by a wider recruiting base and top notch facilities.  The wider recruiting base for Wheaton is helped dramatically by alumni from all over the country paying attention to local high school players who fit the mold of what Wheaton is looking for and then letting the coach staff know about players they should keep an eye on.  

Once Wheaton got 3-4 players from an area in Texas and they all had positive experiences, then the Wheaton coaches had an in with local high school coaches.  Families of players who loved playing for Wheaton became big recruiters as well.  Then it builds...  repeat that in Florida, California, Arizona, etc... now Wheaton doesn't have to spent as much recruiting resources to fly coaches around as much.  It all builds on itself...  

You are absolutely right that Wheaton is better because they pull players in from all over - though you still need to find quality.  It is possible to pull in players from all over, but if they aren't as gifted... then it is moot.  I suppose that is where good facilities, a good school and a solid program come in to help attract better players.

The Wheaton staff still has a huge recruiting "hill to climb" each year and it takes a ton of effort to insure the program remains strong.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2007, 06:25:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
Adam, recruiting from more than the 'local' area (however that may get defined) would put MSJ in rarified company in d3.....While just about everyone gets a few recruits from far afield due to alums, most rely heavily on 'local' talent.

Exactly!!! Begin doing something that very few other D3 teams do. When I got out of the hopsital after my staph Infection my senior year, I had shoeboxes filled with letters from places I'd never heard of. I eventually started throwing them away cause my hand was tired of writing the same stuff, name, address, bench press, 40-time, interests, etc. Some of these schools were in Texas, California, Wisconsin...places far beyond Deer Park, Ohio. How they got my name is beyond me but even as I was throwing the letters away, I thought how cool it would be to travel and play someplace far (personally I didn't have the resources to do that as I paid for college from my own pocket). Throw in a guy like Rod Huber, and his personality and selling ability, I may have reconsidered...or at least gave them the opportunity to bring me on campus....which could have led to me actually going there.

Coaches always talk about finding "the edge" or a "legal :)" advantage...recruiting a place like the South would be an edge because very few in D3 actually do it. JacketsFan can give you more insight as he lives in Florida and he went through his son's recruiting phase with his son.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 20, 2007, 08:19:11 AM
I understand what usee and others are saying...though, I don't think its TOO hard for Wheaton.  Year after year its a very deep team, they were put to the test this year though with all the injuries they sustained and still went 8-2. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 20, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
While fishing with JacketsFan, he explained the lack of small schools in Florida and the South in general. He went on about how many players get missed because they don't have the size or speed for DI...but nonetheless, are good football players. I think MSJ would benefit, if Suriano and Hubie were to take 2 weeks and hit different cities in the south such as Atlanta and the Florida cities. Hell, Rod could play his guitar while on the beach sipping a bahama mama...looking at the mama's. I hate to "dog' where I'm from, but I don't think recruiting the the Tri-State area is going to win more than a playoff game...which so far has been a struggle in itself.

About 10-15 years ago, Defiance used to recruit from Florida pretty heavily.  In fact, I remember going into the Admissions office and seeing three maps on the wall...Ohio, Florida, and rest of the U.S.  Then, DC joined the MIAA.  When this happened, I heard a rumor that one of the stipulations of membership was that DC had to stop actively recruiting in Florida.  I don't know how true that was.

Does the HCAC have a similar rule?  Is that why it seems like nobody recruits more than about 300 miles from home?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2007, 03:02:32 PM
If they do, I haven't heard of it. Even when I played, Defiance had a few (1 or 2) Florida boys on roster. I thought it was funny that they would leave the surf, warm weather, and beautiful women for corn fields and cold weather, occasionally seeing Farmer Johnson's daughter, more often seeing the other livestock on the farm :)

I think this would really be a benefit to schools. Again, I hate to sound like a downer, but what has the HCAC done lately compared to other Big Whigs? We had a good year this year, but it's sad when we are happy that we played "tough" and keep looking to the future. When you consistently look to tomorrow, you fail to accomplish anything today (that's good stuff right there and I made it up). Carpe Diem. Go get it. Do something that no other HCAC school does to accomplish something that no other HCAC school has accomplished in years.

I wish a great and happy Thanksgiving to all. May it be filled with plenty of spirits, food, and laughter...and of course, good football.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 20, 2007, 04:21:11 PM
Hubbie should and could tap in getting kids, from down here in Cali. I know all the head coaches here at the schools, and the talent is good. I think the only problem is leaving Cali to go to Ohio, not really the ideal place, sun vs. cold! But with the right recruiting tools, and hubbie motivation; he could get some great kids from down here, all he has to do is call me, and I could get him all the information that he needs! I would like to see MSJ go further then the first round; they are a few good players from doing so; MSJ will have to get the school on board though. The Mount has been known to turn down some good players. I recall a nice WR from Middletown was going to come to the Mount. I met his family, and he was a great talent big kid, d-1 talent, but he did not met the mount academic standards, so he did not get in, broke hillvert heart! One of the mount asst coach BJ Adams, was not going to get in at the Mount, and I remember sitting in a board meeting with him, and some of the administrators, to allow him to attend the school!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2007, 06:10:25 PM
Quote from: altor on November 20, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
While fishing with JacketsFan, he explained the lack of small schools in Florida and the South in general. He went on about how many players get missed because they don't have the size or speed for DI...but nonetheless, are good football players. I think MSJ would benefit, if Suriano and Hubie were to take 2 weeks and hit different cities in the south such as Atlanta and the Florida cities. Hell, Rod could play his guitar while on the beach sipping a bahama mama...looking at the mama's. I hate to "dog' where I'm from, but I don't think recruiting the the Tri-State area is going to win more than a playoff game...which so far has been a struggle in itself.

About 10-15 years ago, Defiance used to recruit from Florida pretty heavily.  In fact, I remember going into the Admissions office and seeing three maps on the wall...Ohio, Florida, and rest of the U.S.  Then, DC joined the MIAA.  When this happened, I heard a rumor that one of the stipulations of membership was that DC had to stop actively recruiting in Florida.  I don't know how true that was.

Does the HCAC have a similar rule?  Is that why it seems like nobody recruits more than about 300 miles from home?

Altor:

I'm not sure where you picked that rumor up, however, I have been associated with the MIAA for a long time and have never, ever heard anything like that.  In fact, the league would not put out such a mandate as the recruitment of prospective students and student-athletes is up to the individual colleges whose administration and board of trustees puts out their own requirements and stipulations.  In fact, even after DC left the MIAA, Olivet had several football players on its roster from Florida, which they used to recruit quite heavily for a few years.  Basically, it is up to the head coach in what regions they want to concentrate on.  Also, as has been mentioned, there are many factors which are involved that might draw students from far away to a school such as as school's religeous affiliation i.e. a Wheaton or Hope; and by "word-of-mouth" from students (i.e. athletes) who encourage friends to check out the school, and, of course, alumni from out-of-state.  As Sayer mentioned, our friend JacketsFan is more "versed" on this than me/most of us.

Additionally, one of the aspects in regards to the "hot-bed" of recruiting the southern states such as Florida and Georgia where there is a low number of small colleges for football, is that many (obviously not all) of the prospective students may come from families that might not be able to afford the high tuition and r&b at the DIII schools, thereby needing assistance for academic, alumni, community grants, loans, scholarships, etc. from the particular college to attend.  While most colleges have a majority of students who qualify for those (and, yes, the coaching staffs do every thing they can to assist the families in applying and/or checking out all the potential monies available in those forms), unfortunately, there will still be a number of student-athlete recruits who don't qualify and thus are not able to attend such a school "up here in the north". 

Anyway, this has been a good discussion and all of you have brought up some valid points.  Still, I think it is great that colleges attempt to look beyond their traditional regions for recruiting football players, although most likely, it will remain the usual pattern that for most schools, there players come from their own state and region.  Also, the expanded opportunities in DII in some areas have affected the recruiting as well (at least in Michigan and Ohio) as some have previously discussed on these boards.  Just wanted to add my own prospective to the discussion - thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2007, 08:04:26 PM
Changing the topic and returning to an earlier one, who do some of you think will be the leading candidates for the U of Mich job now that the long expected retirement of Lloyd Carr was announced by him today?  Current Mich assistant Ron English was mentioned earlier in the year, however, seems to have not been in consideration as much of recent - also would Mich go "outside" and name a non-Michigan man for their hc?  Brian Kelly's name (former successful Grand Valley State, Central Michigan and current Cincinnati hc) was mentioned by ESPN this AM after the Carr press conference, however, would he dare leave U of C after just one year?  I think those in Cincinnati would be very unpleased if that occurred - to some, he has been seen as a "stepping-stoner" and a "nomad" (commitment and loyalty?) similar to Lou Saban.

It will be interesting to see what happens.  While many have not liked Carr, I would dare say he has always acted with class.  I didn't always agree with his decisions (and especially when he tried to displace Brady in the latter's senior year at times - wow has that QB really proved him wrong ability-wise), but he hasn't done Mich bad.  Obviously, you can read Carr's bio on the U of M fb website, but many don't realize that he was an assistant at Northern Michigan years ago, actually starting out there as I recall.  Anyway, what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HOF on November 20, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
Defiance fans:  I heard Taylor has been put on a month leave without pay?  Dig deep and find out some info???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 20, 2007, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: altor on November 20, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2007, 10:02:23 PM
While fishing with JacketsFan, he explained the lack of small schools in Florida and the South in general. He went on about how many players get missed because they don't have the size or speed for DI...but nonetheless, are good football players. I think MSJ would benefit, if Suriano and Hubie were to take 2 weeks and hit different cities in the south such as Atlanta and the Florida cities. Hell, Rod could play his guitar while on the beach sipping a bahama mama...looking at the mama's. I hate to "dog' where I'm from, but I don't think recruiting the the Tri-State area is going to win more than a playoff game...which so far has been a struggle in itself.

About 10-15 years ago, Defiance used to recruit from Florida pretty heavily.  In fact, I remember going into the Admissions office and seeing three maps on the wall...Ohio, Florida, and rest of the U.S.  Then, DC joined the MIAA.  When this happened, I heard a rumor that one of the stipulations of membership was that DC had to stop actively recruiting in Florida.  I don't know how true that was.

Does the HCAC have a similar rule?  Is that why it seems like nobody recruits more than about 300 miles from home?

was there the 2 year prior and the 2 years in the MIAA we where still heavily in FLorida.  When President Harris left and President Wood took over i think the recruiting budget got whacked and that put a real damper traveling to Florida.  we still pull a decent amount of kids from florida just not like we used to in the 90's (not really a football choice)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 20, 2007, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2007, 08:04:26 PM
Current Mich assistant Ron English was mentioned earlier in the year,

us in Ohio would welcome this seeing how his defense has played against us the last several years!!!

if it was offered Brian Kelly would be gone in a heartbeat and UC knows it.  they might be able to offer close to 1M, UM could offer closer to 2-3M.  Best thing that could of happened would have been beating WVU and having a shot at the Big East title this year and intice him to stay
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2007, 02:47:06 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2007, 08:04:26 PM
Current Mich assistant Ron English was mentioned earlier in the year,

Id say Ron English lost any chance at that job after his groups embarrassing showings against Appalachian State and Oregon to open the season. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 21, 2007, 08:00:04 AM
Les Miles. He's everything Michigan wants. He is a "Michigan Man." He played under Bo, coached under Bo, and is a proven coach. ESPN reported yesterday that he has a clause in his contract regarding Michigan and no other school. In an interview, when speaking of Michigan he refered to the state up north as the "Maize and Blue."

Be quite honest, this is similar to the Mike Leonard - Hanover situation. Big time head coach retires after some unsuccessful years and the job is on for a successor from the school's past. Les Miles is doing great at LSU. Why would he leave? Because he's part of the Michigan family...he's a Michigan Man. The same as Leonard is a Hanover Man.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 21, 2007, 08:09:50 AM
The rumors we are hearing is also Les Miles going to Michigan and if that happens then Bobby Petrino would leave the Falcons and head to LSU.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 08:10:33 AM
Adam,

Exactly. . .

Also, I don't think Kelly is what Michigan is TRULY looking for.  The administration won't get along with a coach, who is so eager to shoot off at the mouth.  Also, schemes.....do they want to be like Northwestern in the Big 10?  I don't know...alot of things don't add up.  

Besides,  I don't think Miles will be able to turn the job down.  Did you see in his interview yesterday that he never said he wasn't interested...key words there.  Bob Stoops said it.  Jon Gruden said it.....but not Les Miles.  Is DC Bo Pelini going to have to coach the LSU Tigers in a bowl game?  The let lame duck Saban do it, and they got trounced.  Highly unlikely to happen again...


lets hear some more about this Taylor situation.  where there's smoke, there's fire boys. . .

I think its about time for a change up north (south of Michigan).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 21, 2007, 10:56:44 AM
except for that hanover sucks and leonard built franklin into what it is. why start over when you can enjoy the good life? it would be nice to go the movies on a saturday night instead of building a program up from the dirt.

ron english? doubt it, many michigan insiders don't like him or his coaching. if it is in house it will be Mike DeBord (former franklin man). odds are that it will be somebody "like" les miles out there is the Iaa realm of coaching. they will try to out tressell tressell.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2007, 11:09:27 AM
You guys might be right.  Although as I mentioned on the other board, Miles was emphatic about not going anywhere at the ESPN interview (at least right now ;D), but...we heard that many times from the likes of Saban and...as you say, Miles is a "Michigan Man".  Kelly is another one whose words "I take with a grain of salt" although I doubt Michigan will consider him - English and DeBord less likely also - the latter did not do well at Central Mich unlike Kelly.  Not sure of any other "hot" coaching names out there at present in the collegiate ranks and I am not sure Michigan would take someone from the NFL, although some of their current assistants came from there.

Also, let us know what is going on with the "Taylor situation" at DC.  Hopefully, it is not something extremely significant, that despite a temporary leave, would not allow him to return.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 11:20:12 AM
all 'smaller school coaches' looking to make the jump to a bigger school with more tradition and more importantly more pay are going to look no further than Louisville and Kragthorpe as a cautionary tale that its not always going to work out. 

Heard on the radio today that Kragthorpe is considering leaving U of L for SMU of all places.  Thats from an "inside source" at Louisville. 



haha, victory, I doubt ANY coach gets to go to the movies on a Saturday night.  I'm keeping my eye on Hanover.  Whoever* takes the job is going to have Wayne Perry on hand to help him with the administrative side of rebuilding or awakening, if you will, that HCAC football power.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 21, 2007, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 11:20:12 AM
Heard on the radio today that Kragthorpe is considering leaving U of L for SMU of all places.  Thats from an "inside source" at Louisville. 
That is what they are reporting on down here in Louisville. They are saying that Kragthorpe can not stand the pressure here. There is also reports that SMU says that they have not contacted Kragthorpe or Tom Jurich about the opening.
It's funny how some of these Louisville fans thought they were a national power with the likes of Florida and Ohio State.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 21, 2007, 11:42:43 AM
Also wanted to wish everyone on here and their families a Happy Thanksgiving.

Going to be leaving work here early today to meet the guys for our annual pre thanksgiving meal and refreshments and hOOters.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 21, 2007, 12:49:38 PM
who would have thought Louisville was a pressure packed environment? i guess it all is nowadays.

who do you guys think is next in line at hanover?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 01:41:35 PM
heard its down to Kragthorpe, Kelly or Leonard at Hanover.  In THAT order.  We'll see if the first two turn down the Panthers....  :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2007, 01:43:52 PM
Well, I guess that attitude is what was left from the crazy John L. Smith era when he left for Michigan State.  Although he had success at Louisville (and this is just my own opinion), I would have waited the 3-4 years more to see if that trend would have continued.  Perhaps they liked John L's "shennanigans" down at U of L, however, they got tired of them and the confusion and unorganized aspects that happened up here at MSU.  Coach K (under him, is that correct?) seemed to slip into a "set" situation at Louisville.

On the other hand, just because U of L had a less than stellar year this year, doesn't mean they can't compete with the other "big time" schools.  They have and I would put it similar to that of Boise State, Northwestern, South Florida, etc.,etc.  They will have some great years. and some "off" years and can contend for a Top Ten rating at the end of each year in some cases, but is not always going to be a powerhouse year in and year out.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.  Also, SMU does need a "shot in the arm".  They've improved, but not yet recovered from the "death penalty" those years ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 21, 2007, 02:06:40 PM
If I'm Les Miles and I'm considering Michigan, I'm gonna lie to the media, my players, my fans...everyone except the Big Whigs from Michigan, behind closed doors. That may make me seem like a heartless POS, but it beats dealing with rumors and it keeps my players focused on the goal at hand...playing in front of a home crowd for a national championship. If I create distractions, I'm costing my players a chance to play for something special. The LSU DC is already rumored to be leaving for Nebraska or somewhere else and he does have a clause in his contract regarding his leaving for Michigan...no other college is listed. This guy's roots are deep in Ann Arbor.

Be honest, I don't think there is anyone else besides Brian Kelly and Les Miles, who Michigan really wants.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2007, 02:45:59 PM
The rumors and the distractions will be there until the thing is settled.  You can't believe a single word one college coach says about his interest or non-interest in a job, particularly when that guy is the leading candidate (or seemingly the only candidate) for one of the higher profile jobs in the nation. 

Miles can stand in front of reporters and not answer questions or say things like "I'm the coach at LSU and I'm not talking about anything else" until he's blue (and maize) in the face, but the questions are going to keep coming relentlessly.  The only way the questions stop is if the University of Michigan comes out and says flatly that Miles isn't a candidate and that they have no interest in hiring him. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Blutarsky on November 21, 2007, 02:49:24 PM
There's a really interesting website that has actual copies of head coach contracts at public colleges (it's public information)--www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm

Contained in Les Miles' contract (dated 1/25/05) is a provision for him to break his contract with LSU.  He must pay the university $500,000 if he doesn't fulfill his contract.......however, the figure is $1,250,000 if he breaks the contract to specifically go to Michigan!  

I'm guessing is Michigan REALLY wants him, they'll pay it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 21, 2007, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 21, 2007, 01:43:52 PM
Also, SMU does need a "shot in the arm".  They've improved, but not yet recovered from the "death penalty" those years ago.

It is strange that they have never really come back from those sanctions, and that was over 20 years ago!  Still remember Eric Dickerson and Craig James - the Pony Express - they had some good teams in the early '80's.  Makes you wonder how new programs like South Florida can become competitive quickly, yet SMU can't get over that hump. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2007, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: Blutarski on November 21, 2007, 02:49:24 PM
There's a really interesting website that has actual copies of head coach contracts at public colleges (it's public information)--www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm

Contained in Les Miles' contract (dated 1/25/05) is a provision for him to break his contract with LSU.  He must pay the university $500,000 if he doesn't fulfill his contract.......however, the figure is $1,250,000 if he breaks the contract to specifically go to Michigan!  

I'm guessing is Michigan REALLY wants him, they'll pay it.

Michigan's boosters haven't had trouble coming up with money for athletics (within the boundaries of NCAA regs...or not) in the past, this won't be a problem (unless everybody is way overestimating how bad they want Miles). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 21, 2007, 03:07:31 PM
Coach Kragthorpe just had a news conference and is staying at the University of Louisville. All the Cardinal fans here at work are upset that he is staying.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
its easy, wabashcpa....all Texans are cheaters. 

JK, I know I remember reading somewhere that you live down there.


I do think its crazy they haven't been able to compete since the death penalty.  You'd think with the great football played in TX, they'd be able to produce a good team from time to time.  Like South Florida has.  They don't get the blue chip recruits....but they get some darn good secondary ones that want to stay in state and play football. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 21, 2007, 03:07:31 PM
Coach Kragthorpe just had a news conference and is staying at the University of Louisville. All the Cardinal fans here at work are upset that he is staying.

So he's not going to take the Hanover job?  That narrows it to two guys from my list..

I think you can also take this with a grain of salt.  If he stays....does he get his pick of who is on his coaching staff and get rid of the Petrino holdovers?  If he doesn't...I don't see him sticking around.  Too much off the field crap this year for the Cardinals. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 21, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
its easy, wabashcpa....all Texans are cheaters. 

JK, I know I remember reading somewhere that you live down there.

Never been to Texas - I think Lil' Giant may live there though.

Actually, the thought that crossed my mind was that since they were sanctioned, they've had to seriously curtail the under the table proceedings, which has left them in the dust relative to the other large schools in the state (or surrounding states).  Kind of makes you wonder!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2007, 03:43:59 PM
It does make you wonder.

I thought you were from Texas, nevermind. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all.  Don't eat too much.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2007, 06:17:05 PM
blutarski:

Great info and thanks for coming up with that.  I agreed with Wally's comments and then was going to mention that very same thing i.e. if anyone could find out the exact info in his contract as that would be the one way to know if Miles did truly have an interest in the Michigan job ever and he would have thus certainy put it in.  You have now answered that for us.  So it will be intesting to see what happens.  I think he is doing the right thing regarding not talking about it right now so as to attempt not to be a distraction for his team and staff.  The difference, though, between him doing that and what Saban did was two fold; 1) Saban had actively sought and allowed (invited) "inquies" for other jobs, but 2) it got old very quickly for all his denials after so many times of doing that.

Also, one other aspect I would point out.  You will recall that Michigan's new bb coach had a similar clause in his contract i.e. having to pay $500,000 for "x-number of years" I believe to West Virginia to get out of his contract and Michigan did NOT pay that for him.  So I would be very, very surprised if Michigan, despite wanting a "high profile" coach such as Miles, if they do and even if he is a "Michigan Man", that they would pay the buyout clause for him.  If so, it would look very hypocritical and if I were the Michigan bb coach, I would not be very happy about that.  Again, only MO! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
Don't forget that when Bill Frieder accepted another job before the 1989 NCAA tourney, AD Bo Schembechler famously declared that "A Michigan Man will coach Michigan" and installed Steve Fisher as HC immediately (he promptly won 6 straight for UM's only bball title).  Bill Martin (current AD) was an athletic administrator then, and certainly recalls the incident.  For him to 'tamper' with Les Miles before a bowl game would be a PR nightmare, but Martin has publicly said he intends to hire a coach before the year is out.  Given all that, I don't think Michigan could 'afford' Miles (monetarily, yes; reputation, no), and suspect they are actually looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 21, 2007, 07:06:50 PM
it could get nasty like when nebraska had a plane waiting for houston nutt on the tarmac in arkansas, and he wouldn't go to the airport to look at nebraska.

i couldn't really see michigan going overboard for kelly. for one, his style of offense is so different than the past 35 years at michigan, it would take a few years to recruit those players there. secondly, this is still the big ten. they just lost a game because they couldn't run, or stop the run. hiring a coach with that in mind is probably their number one priority. lastly, on offense since the mid 80's, michigan has always been ahead of the curve. mixing unique run plays with a pro style pass system. i think their fans appreciate the run first, fool you on the pass later mentality.

that being said, they are putting a lot of money into the stadium, and money means results. they do not want the problem they had before they hired BO, which was a stadium that only sold about 50k seats a game. since BO, they haven't had that problem.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2007, 07:33:39 PM
On the other hand, don't forget that that hiring was widely greeted with headlines of "Bo Who?"  Most Michigan fb coaches have been 'nobodies' before they became Michigan coaches.  It would not surprise me if the pick was someone no one is mentioning.

I have a suggestion from left field: Larry Kehres.  Might be very good for UM, and almost guaranteed to bring joy to 237 other d3 campuses! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 21, 2007, 09:15:13 PM
i would love to see kehres roam the blue sidelines. there is one problem though:

DI is a totally different business from DIII. I don't think the schemes would escape him, as football is football on any level. I do think the recruiting and public speaking engagements would be vastly different for a guy who is used to gathering 100 plus freshmen a year, and has very limited speaking engagements.
You aren't allowed to miss on the guys you give scholarships to, you have to live with them.

but kehres is an intersting name to be thrown out there, albeit on a message board. if a guy has the highest winning percentage out of any coach in the land, why wouldn't he get a call if he turned his resume?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 21, 2007, 11:42:55 PM
VBell, to answer your question...because he's DIII. Football is football and schematically, things don't change, the only thing that changes is how much you teach. Could Larry Kehres get the same type of players for DI as he gets for DIII? Doubt it.

Someone had stated that he had a payout...Yes he does. It's public info not becuase of some website, but because of ESPN.

You can argue his brand of football and that may not sit well with Michigan. Here's what does sit well. He played there! Coached there (under the greatest Michigan coach of all time)! And can obvioulsy coach well! Spread or I formation, he wins games and has a team in position to win the National Championship. What more can Michigan want from a coach? I guarentee half the people in charge couldn't tell you the difference between the spread offense and a sexual position. What they do know is numbers. Speciifically, 1-6 and 0-10 (record vs Ohio State and National Championships).

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 22, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
very valid points on kehres...he at least is way ahead of the curve at DIII. he cannot do that at DI. let's face it, he gets players and keeps them away from other schools because they want to go to mount union. at DI there are scholarship restrictions, and walk on restrictions. he wouldn't be allowed to have 155 guys on scholarship with 85 walk ons.

i was watching we are marshall last night, the coach said they'd be running a power I. the president said he didn't care because he didn't know what that was. the coach said "well you should."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 22, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
who are you guys voting for on the gagliardi trophy?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2007, 12:20:30 PM
MUC's whole team :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 23, 2007, 01:37:16 PM
i think they'll get their trophy here soon enough.

how about them having a guard up for the trophy?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2007, 04:10:18 PM
About damn time a lineman gets some love. In Deer Park's conference, the CHL, the Offensive MVP a few years ago was the Left Tackle from Wyoming. He ended up playing at Ball State. Whenever linemen get considered for something along these lines, it sticks out like a naked woman in church. I love it though and think it's cool.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2007, 07:10:48 PM
offensive lineman??  They shouldn't even have lockers NEAR or maybe in the same building as the skill guys that PEOPLE COME TO SEE PLAY.   ;D


ok, on a serious note.  LSU just lost to Arkansas.  Both teams deserved to lose, I don't think we've seen a worse display of coaching than with both Head Coaches.  Do you think Michigan still wants Miles? 

Honestly, I KNOW his team was distracted this week.  I bet we see something on Miles here shortly.  No national title to play for that would keep him in Baton Rouge through the Holidays.  Michigan admin is cheering this loss loudly....NOW they can move forward with the guy.

Just get it done. 

Sayer,  call me this weekend.  I'm going to be out tonight with the fellas (if you think you can hang).  Starting at Willie's and then hitting a spot downtown for some good times. 

Tomorrow I've gotta take the little lady(new one) to Sake Bomb for some sushi and then we'll be out in Hyde Park somewhere. 

You got my number....USE it.

Seacrest OUT
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 24, 2007, 01:44:32 AM
michigan probably isn't even interested in les miles. i can bet we are off the board when it comes to the guy they actually hire. it's always that way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2007, 11:20:21 AM
vb:
You might be right, although for some reason I think they are interested in them.  I hope, though, that as Gary Barnett (the former coach and now one of the ESPN analysts) that Michigan waits and does it with "class" so as not to be a distraction (unlike how some of the other schools have done in the past i.e. the Mich State/Louisville John L. Smith episode).  I think they will, but would be very surprised if they did not approach it that way.

SaintsFAN:
Nice to hear that you have a "new" friend, but, if I may add as a friend also, don't rush into anything - take your time, make sure. ;)

Anyway, hope all of you had a nice Thanksgiving.  We'll see what goes with the games today.  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 24, 2007, 01:00:28 PM
why not hire gary barnett? his teams were tough, very tough. ran the ball and played good defense. besides that recruiting scandal thing, his resume is pretty good.

another name i wouldn't mind seeing, is former auburn coach lil bowden. frank solich would be a good fit. maybe even brady hoke at ball state?? it's taken him a few years to build up ball st, but he is a quality coach as well.

i think les miles may have doomed himself with that 3ot loss last night, but maybe it helps him in some way, i don't know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
Here's whats impressive about Arkansas. Darren McFadden. That team has no talent whatsoever, except for him, and he does some remarkable things. As far as Heisman, it's Tebow's, but he has talent around him. McFadden doesn't. He's the best QB, RB, and KR on the team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2007, 03:02:18 PM
Sayer,

Arkansas has a great offensive line...

formerd3db,

Caution is not one of my strengths....I like to just have a good time.  I'm actually in the midst of a juggling act right now.  As Sayer can tell you, I've gained a little weight since my playing days, and I'll ride this wave (planetary alignment) as long as I can before I'm forced to settle down again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 24, 2007, 08:42:50 PM
has anybody noticed that lou holtz defends the teams he used to coach at?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 25, 2007, 08:46:06 AM
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has anybody noticed that lou holtz defends the teams he used to coach at?

Except for College of William and Mary (or if there are still some NCAA questions)  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 25, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
I wasnt talking about the o-line. I meant no skilled positions to take pressure off the run game. He's doing things when defenses line up knowing what he's doing. It's impressive. Tebow has WR and has a decent HB whenever Meyer wants to use him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2007, 10:55:00 AM
vbell:
An interesting thought and not "crazy" at all.  I've always been a Barnett fan.  Indeed, the recruiting scandal did hurt him somewhat, although I do not believe that it was his fault other than his being the head coach and not catching it and/or overseeing what was going on.  Some of his players and assistant(s) betrayed him in that sense.  Yet, while I think he would be a good hire for someone and could still coach, I doubt Michigan would even consider him at this point due to that (and some of the Northwestern aspects, although I thought he did a great job there).  Moreoeve, not sure he wants to get back into coaching at this time; he has plenty of $ i.e. is set for life, he and his wife love their "dream" home they built in Colorado, etc., and I doubt he would take a lower tier DI or DIAA school.  Probably he's pretty comfortable in life right now.  Kind of like Bill McCartney.

Same with Solich: his one antic at Ohio hurt his status; plus, I don't think his personality fits in at Michigan.  Not saying he isn't a good coach, though.
Yeah, Terry Bowden, very good coach, but again, doesn't fit the Michigan mold and he wouldn't leave the south I'm sure (despite his coaching in Va in the past - his early start); besides, like Barnett, I'm sure he is well set and enjoys his current position (analyst).

It will indeed be interesting to see who Michigan puts on their short list.  You guys probably know more than I about which coaches around the country would potentially be candidates for that.


cave2:
For sure, I've noticed that too.  I am not a Holtz fan at all, but despite that, I do (especially of recent) at times (very few ;)) have to agree with some of his positions against Mark May, the latter who I am not a fan of either (he comes close to Holtz's level).  May is simply outrageous at times IMO (a little arrogant also) ;D ::)

SaintsFAN:
Understood; fun is fun within reason, but...still be careful!  Just some advice from a DIII friend!  Also, re: the weight - easy to start losing - just stop eating all the "junk" food with calaries.  Salads are great!

To all here:  do you think someone has a legit chance at upsetting Mount Union this year?

BTW, hope everyone has had an enjoyable Thanksgiving weekend.  Now it's "back to the grind" for us.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2007, 11:12:44 AM
I forgot to ask:  did any of you "sleuths" find out yet what the situation was at Defiance with their hc Taylor?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 25, 2007, 01:14:05 PM
there is 1 team that has a shot of upsetting Mount Union.  The New England Patriots.

I've heard nothing sounds just like a rumor to me...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 25, 2007, 02:31:07 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on November 24, 2007, 08:42:50 PM
has anybody noticed that lou holtz defends the teams he used to coach at?


thats because he owes them after they've swept his transgressions under the rug at each stop (NCAA penalties). 


formerd3db,

thanks, man.  You're right though....its definitely something to keep an eye on.

Sayer,

Where were you this weekend??  We ended up closing down Deja Vu this morning.  You missed a great weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 25, 2007, 03:35:14 PM
the patriots would still have to contend with the streak...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 25, 2007, 06:36:57 PM
I hung out with the old man while he was in town.

Went to the Bengals game today. Maybe I should go more often :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 27, 2007, 07:32:17 AM
everybody is being fired in college football today and sean taylor is dead.

seriously, who walks into a guys house and shoots him in the leg in the middle of the night? what a total a-hole.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 27, 2007, 11:36:54 AM
victory,

thats crazy about Sean Taylor.  Guarantee there's more to this story.  The story about his house being broken into 8 days ago and the perpetrator leaving a knife on his side of the bed, I think shows there was some intent to "get him"

All reports are that he was starting to mature since the birth of his daughter too.

I'll ALWAYS remember his hit on the punter this past February in the Pro Bowl. 

RIP
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 27, 2007, 12:46:16 PM
I agree with SaintsFan. There is more. What he does on the surface and behind closed doors are 2 different things. It's still sad. He was a great player.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 27, 2007, 04:11:43 PM
Investigators are wondering why his girlfriend (or whatever she is) wasn't shot as well, since she was right there. This story is about to get interesting according to wire reports, they have un-covered a bunch of new evidence. I have no opinion right now, except for that I thought he was an absolute baller on the field.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 27, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
I will guess that his woman had something to do with it, and what are the cops doing, if they knew someone had been in the house a couple nights before? Moreover, Sean must have not thought it was that serious, because if it so happened that a person broke into my house, and left a knife on a bed, then something would have click, and you never know what type of people these NFL stars associate with! The Defensive Lineman for Miami last year was gun down , not too far from Sean house, so that tells me, that he was in a rough neighborhood, or close by! I hope that people who have money, and are in the lime light take a closer look at who they are around, and what type of things those around you are in, because sadly it comes back on you. Another young guy is dead, and it's sad. My Prayers are with his family. It's some idiots out here, and they have nothing to lose, just because you have money does not make you invisible, it makes you more of a target! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 27, 2007, 09:45:57 PM
Known,

I agree. I read somewhere that his house was actually in a good neighborhood though. I've never been there, I'm a northern kind of guy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2007, 08:09:20 AM
Gated with fences around it.  Palmetto Bay is a very exclusive part of town down there.  BUT, if they want to find you, they'll find you.  It sounds like a hit. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 28, 2007, 01:26:38 PM
Better watch out Kevin...you make NFL kind of money. Someone might try to put a ransom on your head...not that it would be worth anything. :)

We'll have to wait and see what occurs over the course of the next few weeks while police investigate.

Other than the NFL Hall of Fame, is there anything else in Canton? Me and the Ol Lady are heading up this weekend for the St. X - Mentor game for the State Championship.

Go Bucks. I told the kids I would give extra credit if either Mizzou or WVA lose.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 28, 2007, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 28, 2007, 01:26:38 PM
Better watch out Kevin...you make NFL kind of money. Someone might try to put a ransom on your head...not that it would be worth anything. :)

We'll have to wait and see what occurs over the course of the next few weeks while police investigate.

Other than the NFL Hall of Fame, is there anything else in Canton? Me and the Ol Lady are heading up this weekend for the St. X - Mentor game for the State Championship.

Go Bucks. I told the kids I would give extra credit if either Mizzou or WVA lose.  ;D

There's always a game in Alliance, and if all else fails, a tour of the Smucker's facility in nearby Orrville or a Schuester's cheese store visit.  Don't think the Knight birthplace is on the historic tour yet  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2007, 01:41:58 PM
It wouldn't be worth a thing.  .  . I've recently asked them to start paying me in gift certificates to Sonic. 

A friend that I played with my freshman year at TMC, transferred to UK and was All-SEC for them.  He went on play on the Redskins practice squad for a year and now works for us. 

Our Executive VP likes to joke around with this guy about being a crummy football player...because he makes more now then he did on the Taxi Squad. 


This board has gone silent....what happened to all the activity  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 28, 2007, 05:46:27 PM
Thats because no one hasn't done any trash talking in a while

YOU GUYS BLOW MY BALLS  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 28, 2007, 07:15:39 PM
if they are wet, i'll blow on them and dry them for you. i am that nice.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 28, 2007, 08:51:12 PM
It has been a while for me, since i fell off from the Holidays & busy at work.  Anyways, to go back to the Sean Taylor story, the girlfriend told police that she was cradled underneath the covers clutching the baby while Taylor was holding a machete when the intruder entered & let two shots fly.  She didn't come out until the everything was clear & when she got to Taylor his eyes had already rolled into the back of his head & was unresponsive.  My source was ESPN radio this morning.
Hope everyone enjoyed their turkey day & gained as much weight I did eating about 20 turkey sandwiches Friday, Saturday & Sunday ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2007, 10:54:30 PM
OK, I'll say it. 

ALL THE JONNY COME LATELYs ARE GONE. 


victory is around still, though.  We knew that though.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 29, 2007, 06:08:01 AM
I've been busy with teaching and Catholic Schools have a crazy schedule between Thanksgiving and Christmas Break. I'm losing time due to Mass, Assembly, Field Trip, etc. 2-3 times a week. It makes lesson planning a disaster.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 29, 2007, 07:28:50 AM
Sayer, You, In a Catholic School?

Maybe Hell has frozen over!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 29, 2007, 07:29:04 AM
it's because i am weird and i have a lot of free time on my hands.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2007, 08:23:53 AM
Anybody heard anything on who will be taking over the Hanover coaching job?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 29, 2007, 09:17:07 AM
nothing yet, i am sure it will be good when it comes out.

have the hanover guys heard anything yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 29, 2007, 10:56:11 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7439014?MSNHPHMA

michigan seems to be in the running to get les miles now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 29, 2007, 12:04:59 PM
I was listening to a local talk radio station and a caller actually made a fantabulous point. He claimed that the two most athletic teams in college football are USC and LSU. If they are not, they are darn close. He was making a claim that Michigan shouldn't want Les Miles because he failed to get the most out of his team this year. Same with Pete Carroll at USC (I disagree with this as USC has been the most dominant BCS team the last 5 years).

I think he has a valid point on Les Miles. Grant it, LSU plays in the SEC and scheduled Va Tech...who they destroyed early in the year. They play quality opponents and throughout the course of a season, especially in the SEC, where you have to play an extra game to get to the BCS Championship, you get beat up. It's expected to lose 1 or 2 and still be a great team. But LSU's losses have been to UK (who hasn't beaten anyone else noteworthy) and Arkansas (who has 1 player). He had his team poised for a run at the title and after they lose, makes a rediculous comment about being undefeated in regulation.

I hope he does all us OSU fans a favor and heads to Michigan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 29, 2007, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2007, 08:23:53 AM
Anybody heard anything on who will be taking over the Hanover coaching job?
It will not be Mike Leonard.  He just extended his contract at Franklin College.  We're glad to have him.  Great things are yet to come at FC!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2007, 01:28:59 PM
Thats GREAT NEWS to hear!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 29, 2007, 01:35:27 PM
Lets see the announcement on that. 

If this is so, looks like Hanover swung and missed on their top candidate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 29, 2007, 05:20:35 PM
Great news for FC!!  Next year should be a great year again for the Grizzlies. Most of the top players are back and MSJ is at home. Hopefully they will start out in the top 25 (they should) so that if things work out over the season they can get a better seeding if they make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on November 29, 2007, 06:36:40 PM
Congrats to Luke Dillon for making the All Star Team, to play against the Mexican National Team, great honor! Hence, the team I played for will always be remembered as the first United States team to lose to the Mexican Team. I guess too many guys out drinking? We were up 31-13 in the fourth quarter, and things fall apart wow! It will be interesting to see who HC will name as their coach, maybe someone from outside of the d3 rank, will be interesting, who do you guys see winning the Heisman Trophy?? And Congrats to Coach Leonard, ink his long term deal with FC. He must see a great future there!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on November 29, 2007, 10:13:08 PM
Glad to see Leonard is back, FC did a wise thing by extending the contract.

Miles didn't get the most out of his team? I'll take that as a valid point, but I'll add my own argument.

1.) The pressure at LSU is insane, even when you win you get crushed by the boosters and the media down there. They are never satisfied, and their constant bickering about the football program either makes the coaches go batty, or leave for jobs where they are not scrutinized for every 3rd down call.

2.) LSU will always have the top athletes in the nation. Fact, Louisiana high school football has as many athletes as the big states, and they all want to go the State University of Louisiana. Recruiting is a piece of cake at LSU, you will always field top quality talent. Whether or not they are smart is a different story as Louisiana has one of the poorest academic rates of all the 50 states.

3.) Their defense was off the charts this year, and has been for many years. Injuries slowed them a bit, but I'd rather play anybody's D than LSU's.

4.) Their offense is good, but lacks consistency in the passing game. Case in point: that's been their MO for a very long time. I don't know why, maybe they love the run too much, but when push comes to shove, they can't throw for dough. I blame the QB's personally. In the past Michigan loved to run, but could pass very efficiently, and that made them scary. I'm sure Les will be able to do this at GO BLUE U.

5.) The SEC is a meatgrinder every week. I said Kentucky would be for real this year, and a lot of you laughed. They beat LSU. Every conference has the top 3-5 teams that are battling it out, and the also ran. the SEC has everybody but 1-2 teams that cannot legitimately win a conference title. The good ol boys in the south take their football as a deep source of pride for their schools and pay to win. Way more than up north or out west. If not, Purdue would have fired Joe Tiller 4 years ago for not finally bringing it home. The SEC gives you 3-4 years to win, then you go.

That being said, I still don't care if people think LSU is the #2 team in the country and should play in the title game. They still lost, no matter what conference they play in. If OSU sneaks into the game and the SEC guys scream bloody murder, tough luck. Don't lose then, no matter who you play, or how tough your schedule is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on November 30, 2007, 08:53:10 AM
For Hiesman, I don't know because there hasn't been any real clear cut candidates this year to chose from other than White and Tebo.  Tebo has thrown the numbers this with his TD production.  But he is only a sophmore and his team is out of the BCS contention.  But he is still my best bet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 30, 2007, 08:58:48 AM
I have to agree that Tebow has put up the numbers to win the Heisman and should get it, but being a sophmore is going to hurt him even though it should not have anything to do with it.

I just have a feeling that McFadden from Arkansas is going to be named the winner.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 30, 2007, 06:33:16 PM
McFadden is one heck of a player. Tebow does have the numbers because when Florida is inside the 10 yard line, he gets the carries. If I was the HB, I'd be a little upset at that. He has a rocket arm and is a great QB, but people make a big deal about his rushing TD's. Hell, any QB could do that if they were the primary HB inside the 10.

The argument against Colt Brennan is he's a system QB...I think Tebow is the same thing. On any other team, he'd be lucky to have 5-10 rushing TD's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 30, 2007, 09:25:04 PM
Tebow, IMO, deserves it.  But he'll win it next year.  50 TD's is 50 TD's, no matter how you do it. 

Sayer,

I'm actually an expert on Florida football.....you can't fault the guy for being the team's best passer and its best runner.  That, IMO, isn't a knock on him...its a positive reflection on him.  NOW, Florida needs to recruit a top notch TB so they can keep Tebow healthy next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 01, 2007, 01:08:15 PM
I don't fault him, but Urban Meyer runs the spread and the main component according to Urban is having a QB who can run the ball (I agree) but for health purposes, I agree. Get a HB. I don't care how big he is, getting hit is getting hit and SEC linebackers are freaks of nature.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 02, 2007, 10:14:29 AM
It is Sunday and churches across Ohio are saying God Bless Oklahoma and Pitt.  Buckeyes back in the big game!!

my wife thinks all games are fixed and i always tell her she is smoking crack but last night had me thinking to agree with her for once.  it felt like the refs were doign anything they could to preserve victory for Mizzu and WVU.  i think at halftime it was something like 10-1 penalties against Oklahoma with some really bad calls on pass breakups.  but nothing was worse than the phantom holding calls agaisnt PITT, 1 on a TD run which waqs BS and the other on the run that would have iced the game for a first down.  what was bad was that last one came from the back judge not the guy right there and it came flying in after the play was over.  i thought Wandstat was going to blow out is O-Ring to go with his achilles
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2007, 10:53:46 AM
70_dc_alum:

Oh my gosh!  I have to agree with you on the officiating.  Those two holding calls against Pitt were absolutely the worst calls I have seen in a long time (and there were some pretty bad calls this season during some of our MIAA games).  The official(s) who called those were so blatently wrong it was pathetic - even from the TV perspective shown by ESPN, there wasn't even any question at all about those - and especially with the official standing right in front facing the action.  It was obvious that there was a bias from the officiating crew.  Speaking of the latter, there was also from the ESPN announcers Patrick and Blackledge - they were obviously rooting for WVA, but then tried to "smooth" it over a bit in their post-game analysis and comments, relating that Pitt deserved to win the game, which they did.  It's only a game, however, I really get upset watching those type of actions by officials and announcers. ;D ;)

Anyway, the results of the games yesterday really threw the bowl picture into what will be a very interesting situation in regards to seeing "who plays where now" (with the exception of the DII and DIII playoffs - results are looking like what most people expected so far; also, the FCS (formerly DIAA is shaping up interesting with Delaware and Richmond both winning).

BTW, I was somewhat shocked at the performance that Wabash had yesterday.  They had a great season, but too bad their "off day" for performance occurred in the playoffs.  I really thought they might have a chance against WW and possibly beat them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 02, 2007, 11:37:09 AM
some of the most terrible officiating i have seen in recent years. that guy calling the pitt/wvu game needs to go to confession after the calls he made on their wide receiver. I AM ASHAMED FOR THAT REF FOR MAKING A FOOL OUT OF HIMSELF ON THOSE CALLS. if you did not see them, he called holding everytime there was a big run to the wr in question. perfect technique, perfect attitude, and finishing the blocks only to get holding calls.

he should be ashamed of himself.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2007, 01:23:55 PM
agreed on the officiating.  I couldn't believe what I was seeing.  Almost as bad as playing UK at (Cor)Rupp(t) Arena.

I'm betting its going to be LSU and Ohio State in the BCS Game in New Orleans.  I believe this is the best match up that OSU can hope for.  They would not handle a spread offense like USC that well.   Georgia and Kansas don't deserve to be there...they didn't win their conference titles.  There will be (and should be) and uproar should one of these teams find their way into the game.

The real winner yesterday?  Illinois. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 02, 2007, 03:52:04 PM
On both long runs in the WVA-Pitt game, the flag was thrown at the end of the run...not to mention the unsportsmanlike conduct when WVA failed on 4th down. Kind of shady...but not as bad as the officials in the Pitt-Seattle SuperBowl.

The BCS is a screwy system but you reap what you sow. The way it's set up, Georgia, as screwed up as it would be, should play for the National Championship. If this was last week, Georgia would be #2 in the BCS standings. Why not now? Oh, because they didn't even make their conference championship. But that's the system we have. You can't say, LSU, you lost last week, but we're gonna jump you 5 spots just because you had an extra game to win. Nor can you do the same with Oklahoma (whom I think deserves the spot more). That's just the way it is. Every team has an argument...even Hawaii (so long as they beat Washington). Any other week, a team with a bye would move up if the teams immediately ahead of them lost. Now it's the last week and people can change the way they do things...just because the BCS is F#cked up. If they do, why have polls at all throughout the regular season is people can do whatever they want in the last one and avoid the way voting has been done the 13 weeks prior?

Know what you tell LSU and Oklahoma...you shouldn't have lost. Bob Stoops complains because some teams don't have an extra game. Ohio State would rather play 13 games than sit around for 40+ days waiting to play football. It' evens out. Stoops is a big cry baby...who probably has the best team in DI. Other than the early season loss to Colorado, the only other loss was when their QB was knocked out in the 1st quarter against Texas Tech. Too bad you can't give mulligans in college football Bob.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 02, 2007, 09:13:26 PM
You can make an argument for every team...except one. Kansas gets into a BCS game...Mizzou does not. The fact that Mizzou BEAT Kansas, has the 26th ranked schedule compared to Kansas' 109th. On top of everything else. They beat them head to head...and the other team gets in.

I started a group on facebook called Boycott the BCS. This is beyond obsurd. I would really like to hear an explaination for that. I really would. Seriously (I know it would never happen) but what if Mizzou refuses to play in their bowl game and Georgia refuses to play in their BCS game...would that get anyone's attention?

And Ohio State has to go 51 days between games...again. DI in general is only worth the 1st 12 weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 03, 2007, 07:17:55 AM
i can't make an argument for oklahoma playing wvu. it should have been hawaii vs. wvu to give wvu a fair chance. even then, colt brennan would have went nuts passing. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 03, 2007, 01:26:32 PM
has been...what happened to your Lions?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 03, 2007, 04:01:46 PM
I was reading the USA Today and realized that the commisoner of the BCS is the head of the SEC (I've read this before but it actually clicked this morning). It's probably nothing, but last week, LSU was behind Va Tech in the BCS standings (need I remind everyone LSU is in the SEC). They BOTH had a game on Saturday...which they BOTH won. I know LSU blew Va Tech out by 40-something during week two, 3 months ago. The way everything is set up, it's all based on what have you done for me lately. Oh, you lost last week for the first time, but another 1-loss team who lost 5 weeks ago will jump ahead of you...that's the way it goes...Va Tech won...they were ahead of LSU last week...BEAT Boston College more handidly than LSU beat Tenn...but drops behind LSu this week????

Here's another good one. According to the BCS commish (USA Today), they elected to take Kansas over Mizzou because Mizzou lost last and it was a blow out and it was loss #2. You know how I feel about this. My argument is based on what the commissioner's words relay. We care about how you finish the end of the year. Obviously he puts more emphasis on how Mizzou finished (being blown out for loss #2). GEORGIA...started the year 4-2 and out of the SEC Title game by week 6...wins 6 in a row and is the hottest team in the nation (please spare me the Rainbow Warriors). What have you done for me lately...win 6 in a row and drop a spot in the BCS because you didn't play...at the same time a team moved up TWO spots when they didn't play.

Again, it's probably nothing, but I can make a more compelling argument for Oklahoma and/or Georgia, than I can for LSU. But where's the commishioner from again and what conference does everyone say is the most "INFLUENTIAL?" Oh yeah, the SEC. But you say, Adam, Georgia is from the SEC and you're making an argument for them TO play...could you imagine the uproar and tension that would be created in the SEC if Georgia, who didn't make the SEC title game, but who has won 6 games in a row and is the hottest SEC team, were to make the Championship game.

To one extent Bob Stoops is correct. It's not a level playing field. Not because teams have an extra game to play, but because everyone feels like the SEC champion should just be "given" an automatic spot in the Title game based solely on "Who they are...the SEC"...even the SEC Chairman who is head of the BCS.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2007, 06:16:41 PM
Adam, good post but I must nitpick on your spelling: you keep sticking a 'C' in 'BS'.

Playoffs - reason #37 why I prefer d3 to d1A.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 03, 2007, 09:26:25 PM
What do you mean, what happened to the Lions?  They have 3 wins more than they did last year.  at this rate they will be a contender in 5 or 6 years ;D. 
I do think that Kitna needs to have one of his religious moments again so they can at least finish out 8-8. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 03, 2007, 11:44:46 PM
he was right about getting 10, only he meant 10 losses.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 04, 2007, 08:49:32 AM
Hey did any one see the MNF game last night?  What was Rodney Harrison saying to Brian Billick?   A little uncalled for, I wonder if Billiacheck had anything to say about it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 04, 2007, 09:28:27 AM
i think brian billick is strange, i really don't know beyond that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 04, 2007, 10:48:22 AM
It was said that he was telling Billick something about his choice in QB's (it was right after Boller's INT). 

I think Harrison is a punk.  Worse than Billick, and THATs saying something. 


It was pretty funny to see the Ravens act like jackaXXes for the entire game and then it got even worse at the end. 

Bart Scott throwing the flag into the stands was real comedy. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 04, 2007, 10:57:05 AM
did anybody see the special on the ravens training camp? billick appeared to be the most arrogant, cocky, jerky guy. that's where i got my impression of him.

i especially liked when he would cut guys, and just talk about the great things they are "doing at the ravens organization, we have a great system, you are a player and i am sure you will get signed by somebody else. ok, get my number from the secretary in case you need to call, yup, bye."

then when the guy went to get the number, she said they'd contact him with the number. i don't think he got the number.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 04, 2007, 01:36:34 PM
the close up clip i saw of Bart after the flag throwing i thought he was going to cry.  looks just like my 3 year old
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 04, 2007, 03:03:23 PM
I should have stayed awake. I don't care what happens to New England as long as Brady-Moss hook up for 30+ points per week. I'm now 11-1 in Fantasy and A Pete has been a help.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 05, 2007, 09:28:48 AM
are the patriots going down this week?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 05, 2007, 01:43:21 PM
I don't think so, but I would take Pittsburg plus the 14 points if I were a betting man. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 06, 2007, 07:37:32 AM
Pittsburgh doesn't play well on the road with some very bad road losses on the record. The game is in New England, so 14 points may end up being close to the point differential.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 06, 2007, 09:11:12 AM
and their OC was the former OC in cleveland. he was not very good in cleveland, he'll mess up the burgh as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 12:56:43 PM
Today let us remember our Soldiers and Sailors who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor and those who survived the attack in our prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 07, 2007, 01:23:39 PM
great pic of pearl harbor, but lennon stinks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on December 07, 2007, 01:23:39 PM
great pic of pearl harbor, but lennon stinks.

Not to me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 07, 2007, 02:43:05 PM
A day that will live in infamy. I had forgot about today until a teacher brought it up this morning. I'm sure Nick Saban knows all about Pearl Harbor considering he compared his loss to Louisiana-Monroe to that as well as other American Disasters. Moron. It must be an LSU thing to be stupid. Les Miles brags because he was undefeated in regulation and Saban thinks losing a football game is equivalent to 9/11.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 08, 2007, 01:19:31 AM
Paul Johnson: During the past six years at Navy, we played 29 BCS teams, in the large part from the ACC,'' Johnson said. "We averaged almost 30 points against them.''

Oh really buddy? So he thinks what worked against Duke, Stanford and Northwestern is going to win the ACC? He'll either be fired in 4 years or won't be running the option offense in year 2.

retard
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 08, 2007, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 08, 2007, 01:19:31 AM
Paul Johnson: During the past six years at Navy, we played 29 BCS teams, in the large part from the ACC,'' Johnson said. "We averaged almost 30 points against them.''

Oh really buddy? So he thinks what worked against Duke, Stanford and Northwestern is going to win the ACC? He'll either be fired in 4 years or won't be running the option offense in year 2.

retard

Perhaps a little premature and judgemental, Kevin?

As one, living in a neighborhood littered with GT grads and residing within fifteen minutes of the "Flats," there is a lot of excitement over DR's hire (and some consternation and concern in the minds of Bulldog Nation).

Granted, dealing with the academic and physical limitations of the service academies, Johnson played what best fit the profile of his players.  Similar schemes may not win each week in the ACC, but then again they just might create some havoc.  Besides being from western NC, originally, he had "some success" under Irv Russell at Georgia Southern before taking the helm and winning two, championships with the Eagles.  

The biggest issues, with the Institute over the past decade, have been local recruiting, especially aginst UGa, the Gators, and the Seminoles, and some questionable academic progress which led to the demise of Gailey, O'Leary, and the previous AD before Dan Radovich.  Johnson is perceived as one capable of correcting both of these shortcomings.  Correcting the six, straight losses to Richt?  That remains to be seen.  

This was the subject during last night's, beer and cigar driveway grilling, with several GTI profs and former players.  They figured that if Buck Belue was impressed with the credentials and manner of hiring (unlike UM, Arkansas, etc.), and worried for Martinez (UGa DC), it couldn't be bad.   ;D

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on December 08, 2007, 01:26:01 PM
College Football is so unpredictable, because coaches are fired at such a high rate, because the schools put so much emphasis on winning, and if you're at one of these high level school, then the pressure is on. Case in Point; The Coach from Arkansas in 10 years had successful teams, and played in a tough Sec Conf, had so much pressure to win, and when he did, he still received so much flack, its amazing how the game has transcended into nothing but winning, what about educating these kids, making sure that they are receiving a quality education? Congrats to Coach Hallett for being name Region Coach Of The year and to all the players from the HCAC for being selected to the team as well!! McFadden in an upset for the trophy tonight!!!       
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 09, 2007, 08:29:19 PM
how is running the option a bad offense? something tells me he's a good coach and he'll find a way to get it done. nobody said the option was bad 10 years ago when everybody ran some form of it. or even 5 years before that, when everybody ran the option.

running the option at a high level in the acc will benefit him greatly. my only reason is this: nobody else runs it and it will make the Defensive Coordinator go bonkers sunday through saturday. when you only see it once a season, you have to re-think the whole game plan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2007, 01:11:54 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the option. I know teams have had a lot of success at it throughout the years and still do today primarily at the HS and small college level. Navy and Air Force are the only DI college teams off the top of my head that run a traditional triple option. West Virginia, Florida and some others run the option from the spread look but it's not the primary offense (i.e. Nebraska and Tommie Frazier).

The reason why I think you have seen the drop off is the same reason why people don't run the option in the NFL...speed. Teams run and pursue so well that they are able to string plays out to the sidelines for minimal gains. Other than Notre Dame, the Academies don't play "stud" competition year in and year out and thus, the Triple works for them fairly well. If Navy or Air Force was to run that offense in the SEC, it wouldn't work. He'd be out faster than crap through a goose. He'll have more success with it in the ACC which is seeing some of it's team try to rebuild themselves back into national recognition, but even so, Boston College, Va Tech, Clemson, and an upstart Wake Forest team will cause problems. I see him being no better than 6-6 running the Triple.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 10, 2007, 07:01:35 PM
i was watching classic sports, the 1996 bowl game featured 9-1 army playing 9-1 auburn. auburn won by a field goal, and they couldn't find the ball all day. they had a month to prepare for the game, not 6 days.

i like your argument, but i think football is football. if you get the guys to do it, i think you can be successful. of course, he'll need a few tommy fraziers to pull that off in the SEC or they may get killed.

i don't want to say too much on this, i'd rather let this option game play out and see how he does with it. coaches of yester year felt it was the only way to win in college, i'd like to see it still works.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2007, 06:03:09 PM
Petrino to Arkansas?  WOW :o

Why do these guys leave the college game to begin with? 

Don't say injuries derailed the Falcons this year....Petrino's way of doing things rubbed the players the wrong way.

Meanwhile the Falcons are a MESS right now.  Bet they wish they still had Jim Mora...don't you?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 11, 2007, 10:49:08 PM
why did he ever leave the ville? grass is greener thing again huh?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 12, 2007, 08:03:11 AM
The real question is how long will he stay at Arkansas. The whole time he was at Louisville he was always talking with other college teams.

Do you think other schools will use his loyalty against him in recruiting?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 12, 2007, 08:35:07 AM
The local media, here in Atlanta, is having a fulltime, feeding frenzy.  Deangelo shoots his mouth off in one direction, Keith Brookings in another, and Blank is hedging his feelings about the Dog Dispatcher since the $20M bonus questions are still "up for grabs."  Would LMAO if not for the pathetic ineptitude on all sides of the ledger...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 12, 2007, 08:39:59 AM
on a lighter note.  Does anybody think that the Purple Raiders can be upset this weekend?

I sure would like to see some else at the top and win the stage bowl this year!  Can UW-Whitewater pull it off.  I think that they can really give them a run for their money.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 12, 2007, 09:00:36 AM
an upset would be UWW keeping it within 40pts.  i know that sounds kind of like stupid message board trash talk, but seriously no one has yet this year.  if UWW wins it should be as big an upset as stanford USC becuase MUC is that damn good
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 12, 2007, 11:34:21 AM
While I believe that an upset this week would be like Notre Dame beating the Patriots or like Ohio State beating LSU in New Orleans (for Adam), I do think anything can happen this weekend.  It is the third match up in the Stagg Bowl in three years between the two....so you never know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 12, 2007, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on December 12, 2007, 08:03:11 AM
The real question is how long will he stay at Arkansas. The whole time he was at Louisville he was always talking with other college teams.

Do you think other schools will use his loyalty against him in recruiting?

The new Lou Holtz, bail on your team after 13 games and a 3-10 record and leave for Arkansas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on December 12, 2007, 07:36:17 PM
QuoteDo you think other schools will use his loyalty against him in recruiting?

Without question. I just heard an interview with Falcons Owner Blank...he said he asked Petrino Monday afternoon how he should answer media questions on TV  (Monday Night Football) if he was asked about interest in the college game..Blank said Petrino looked at him, shook his hand and said, "You have a coach."

WOW....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 12, 2007, 07:54:36 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on December 12, 2007, 07:36:17 PM
QuoteDo you think other schools will use his loyalty against him in recruiting?

Without question. I just heard an interview with Falcons Owner Blank...he said he asked Petrino Monday afternoon how he should answer media questions on TV  (Monday Night Football) if he was asked about interest in the college game..Blank said Petrino looked at him, shook his hand and said, "You have a coach."

WOW....


One of the first year Falcon players went to Arkansas and said he was going to call his former teammates and let them know he has no loyalty.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on December 12, 2007, 08:16:20 PM
...also being reported that Arkansas' AD Broyles said he asked for and received permission from the Falcons to talk to Petrino...Falcons's owner said that is absolutely false...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 12, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
he can call the arkansas players all he wants, they still have to get a release from him or the ad if they want to leave. they can make it tough on them.

"you have a coach..."
as a man, how you can blatantly lie to somebody's face like that? unless he is thinking, well, i wasn't offered the job until tuesday, so they did still have a coach. pretty weak.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on December 12, 2007, 09:28:40 PM
Quote"you have a coach..."
as a man, how you can blatantly lie to somebody's face like that? unless he is thinking, well, i wasn't offered the job until tuesday, so they did still have a coach. pretty weak.

exactly...in the past i've been somewhat understanding of some of these coaches...but this one takes the cake...incredible..if you're a parent with bobby petrino in your living room recruiting your son...can you believe him?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2007, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on December 12, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
he can call the arkansas players all he wants, they still have to get a release from him or the ad if they want to leave. they can make it tough on them.
"you have a coach..."
as a man, how you can blatantly lie to somebody's face like that? unless he is thinking, well, i wasn't offered the job until tuesday, so they did still have a coach. pretty weak.

That is what really burns my tush - coaches can do any damn thing they want, but players are locked in!  Yeah, in the utopian world, players sign with schools, not coaches, but why the double standard?  If a coach bolts on a contract, the players he recruited should have the same option.  And if a coach the player didn't bargain on playing for comes in, again the player should have the option of finding a 'better' situation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 13, 2007, 08:00:38 AM
From his past actions down here in Louisville I don't think he will ever change.

First he gets caught by the Courier Journal meeting with the president and a couple trustee's from Auburn at the Clarksville, IN airport talking about replacing Tubberville a year after they hired him.
Then on his way to the Liberty Bowl in Memphis he stops in Nasville and talks to LSU about their job opening.
Then he signs his extension on his contract at Louisville and says he loves it here and wants his younger children to finish school here. Two months later he is in Atlanta.
This guy changes his mind more than the weather changes here in the Ohio Valley.

I wouldn't doubt it if somehow Les Miles ended up going to Michigan after all, that he would be in contact with LSU about that job.

The paper here also reported that Jerry Jones owner of Dallas Cowboys who is a Arkansas Alumni called the owner of the Falcons to ask for permission for Arkansas to speak to Petrino. Both the owner and GM of the Falcons said no.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 13, 2007, 09:06:31 AM
they can leave for a better opportunity, but they need their release. but here's the thing:

1.) coach and ad deny release, then you have to appleal the NCAA to get your release. this is usually given to the student athlete after the appeal, but it's a pain to get.

2.) how do you re-sell yourself to teams that already recruited you? this is usually in the middle of the year when scholarships are not available also.

3.) most coaches do not want other program's rejects. they are leaving for one reason or another, 9/10 times it's not for a good reason.

4.) it's amateur athletics. if your coach leaves, so what. you still have your drinking buddies and the slutty girl in your macro class that wants you, get over it. you are playing football and getting a free education with all the perks that goes along. shut up, do your job, and take it for what it is: a free education where you can have girls girls girls and hit people.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 13, 2007, 02:53:41 PM
Mitchell Report is out....

I glanced through it...I only saw 1 on there from during his time with the Reds... Hal Morris.  You would've thought he hit more HR's for us.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 13, 2007, 05:40:04 PM
i may be the minority on this, BUT, how does using steroids help you become a better baseball player? you still have to have hand eye coordination that is phenomenal, and hit a round ball with a round bat. juice doesn't help you with that. nor does it help with throwing accurately. it does help with rage involved with throwing broken bats at players.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 13, 2007, 05:45:56 PM
They increase your strength, there is some proof out there that they can help improve vision.  They allow a pitcher to recover quicker between starts and over the course of a 162 game season allow players to heal from the minor aches and pains that occur.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 13, 2007, 11:39:08 PM
that makes sense after watching sports center. the great majority of them were all stars or world series winners. you might be right.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 14, 2007, 05:05:59 PM
For anyone wondering, they've narrowed the job for HC head coaching job to three people.  The decision should come soon....

AMF
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2007, 06:24:15 PM
Word around is Bobby Petrino is one of the three finalists at Hanover after taking the Arkansas job earlier in the week  ;D

In response to players being locked in. This is basketabll, but it's the same concept. Bob Huggins recruited Super Freshman Mike Beasley to KState. After he was committed, Huggins left to take the job at his Alma Mater, West Virginia. Beasley wanted out of his commitment to join Huggins at West Virginia but KState declined.

In regards to the Mitchell Report, the two people you would expect most to see arn't in it: Mark McQuire and Barry Bonds. After watching ESPN, their legal analyst stated that this report wouldn't hold up in court and until you have more proof than a guy facing federal charges rating out people, I'd be a little weary. Plus, 80-85% of the people mentioned were good players. Not great, HOF players, just decent. As of now, its pointing fingers, he said - he said. Its far from being absolute proof.

Yes, Steroids does help you. Not necessarily putting contact on the ball, but how far the ball goes after contact. If you increase your fly ball distance by 10 feet (which really isn't that far), that equivalates into 5-6 more homeruns/year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
Sayer:

I'd bet (if I were a betting man and I'm not :)), that if you asked Lyle Alzado (if you could) he could tell you just how much steroids helped him in his career. :  :'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 14, 2007, 08:24:49 PM
yeah, but lyle alzado had to fight a 300 lb animal across the other side of the ball. plus, he got his start after using the juice while weighing 215 lbs out of a small college. he used steroids, and a lot of them. but the nfl was rampant with that in the 70's. anybody that lifting weights back then used them, because they weren't considered bad.

steroids help and they work. nobody doubts that. in football, it is an obvious advantage in terms of strength. however, you are also a lot more likely to blow a ligament since they do not get as strong as your muscles do. steroids cheat the muscle cycle up, but not the ligament strength. they take much longer, like if you were to get stronger naturally they would get stronger with your muscle.

i just don't know if the extra 5-6 feet on your long ball really helps all that much, or equates to 70 home runs. you still have to put the bat on the ball. even then, you better know how to hit it or else it's going to be a really fast ground out.

i just purchased a whole bunch of Forza-T and I am joining a softball league in the spring. I have been traditionally known as a ground out guy, maybe a double. i'll let you know if i lead the league in homers this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2007, 09:24:29 PM
Seriously...how bad are the Bengals?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 15, 2007, 10:31:16 PM
haha, but they'll win this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2007, 11:20:24 PM
I recorded the Championship game and just finished watching it. Very impressive game by the Whitewater defense...plus a few lucky bounces. I know MUC walks around with this glow around them, but if Kehres kicks the field goals in the first half, does anyone think the game is different when it's 20-17 MUC going into the 4th quarter...at least mentally? The offensive mentality in the first half was as if MUC was just playing with them. Like Kehres was calling plays on Madden. Very cocky attitude and I think it cost them not kicking the field goals. It's natural for MUC to play better when they have a lead...its the only way they know how to play.

Then again, who am I to argue with a man who has won 9 NCAA Championships and has a .920 win percentage.

Kudos to Whitewater for playing with aggression. I loved watching Beaver dip his shoulder into #6 instead of going out of bounds. Then stiff arm him later in the game. They definately had more bounce in their step and attitude. It does help having hosses on the O-line who are 6'7" 318 pounds. Good God. That isn't right.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
that game was pretty sweet.  i am not sure if Beaver is really that good or it is his Oline.  them big boys kicked major butt all night long.  i dont think i could question Kerehes calls on going for it.  99 times out of 100 they score.  if they dont UWW is on the 1 against the best Defense in the History of the MUC.  the damage created by not scoring was not too bad considering the stops were in the first half.  Now if MUC would have pounded them in the mental effect there could have been bad becuase if you put your head down for 2 sec against MUC they would capitalize.  LK knows it and was looking to try to put a nail in early.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2007, 08:18:54 AM
bengals have cashed it in.  they are horrid.  how many first time starters will they make look all-pro.  deon sanders said it best, "Marshall this guy is not that good, Trent and Alex was never playing the Bengals!!"  Bryant Gumbel sucks as an announcer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 16, 2007, 10:13:41 AM
Do you ever notice how whenever a team plays the Bengals, talk about the other teams offensive players goes something along the lines of: "where was this all season" "This is what they have been waiting to see from this guy" "This is what he's capable of" "He's worth taking a look at next year" etc, etc, etc. Yet, I find it absolutely hilarious, that these 'All Pro' players go back to being Average Joes the following weeks. Has no one figured out that these guys arnt good. It's just that they are playing the worst defense in NFL history. Seriously, San Francisco, according to NFL stats, had the worst offense in the NFL. They looked like the 49ers from the late 80's and early 90's.

How about Deon ripping on Marvin Lewis stating that if his wife went to the hair stylist, and the hair stylist's hair was all crazy and jacked up, he would send her sopmewhere else. He said in their interview with Marvin, he refused to take ownership of the defense. They couldn't understand that because he made his name as a Defensive Coordinator. I think 2 things will happen this year. He will leave or Mike Brown will give him more "ownership" of the team (who he drafts, regulations, etc.). Considering the way Mike Brown has been over the years, I think the Bengals will have a new coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 16, 2007, 10:18:04 AM
Kehres went for it on 4th down from his own 20-30 a couple times too including the goal line. You're right that 'normally' 99/100 they get it, but wern't they 1-4 or something on 4th down last night? If I had a team like that, I probably would have went for it too, but there is a conservative side to me that says you play to win, not gamble to win. Kick the field goals, get your points. There is a time and a place for gambles, but 4th down at the 25 or so on your first drive is not the time in my opinion. If you kick and put Whitewater down after 1 drive, that sets the mentality and tempo for the rest of the game. They have to play catch up from drive number 1.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2007, 11:18:24 AM
2 times they were on the 30 going in i think a 4 and 10 and the other was 2 yds.  that is a 47 yd FG when it is 32 degrees and pouring rain.  a punt is likely just going to buy you 10 yds after the touchback.  that is 4 down territory in my opinion.  the other 2 were on the goaline with the 2nd being the one the scored where the announcers were ripping him for going then after they scored it was the typical announcers line of that is why i am in the booth and LK has 9 rings.

the one they made was the only one that i questioned going for becuase the scenario of keeping it a 2 scor game if the got stopped.  of course that is the only one they make which is why i was sitting on the couch drinking a beer and not coaching!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 17, 2007, 03:04:22 PM
I know most of you have probably seen or at least heard that Andy Pettitte admitted to using HGH. Now he states that he took it twice to help him heal from an injury before it was banned by MLB. I don't have a problem with this as HGH was not illegal when he took it so he did nothing wrong. What I get out of this is there may be more truth to the Mitchell Report than some speculate. Analyst after analyst states that this report wouldn't hold up in a court of law and to count your chickens before they hatch based solely on this report is foolish, yet, Andy Pettitte comes out and admits what was in the report. This makes me think that maybe Roger Clemens isn't clean. As a nation, we strung up Barry Bonds for the same type of thing. There has never been proof that he took steroids or HGH...just speculation and 50+ pounds since his playing days in the early-mid 1990's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 17, 2007, 03:38:15 PM
OSU better learn to defened the spread with Richie going to that team up north.  give him a year or 2 to find a couple athletes to play QB and look out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 17, 2007, 05:27:45 PM
i still can't believe he left WVU for the big house. I guess the program prestige of michigan was greater than WVU. can't blame him though. will he still run the spread, or use more of a pro system like he did at Tulane? if he is under center a lot, he may reincarnate the Bo power running/option attack of yesteryear.

every guy who lifts weights now is a juice head. over a 20 year career, it's fairly easy to put on 25 lbs and get a lot stronger. your head isn't supposed to grow though. i'm also not sure how many baseball players lift like LB's who have to take on maniac fullbacks.

saintsfan, i'll pray for you, although i have no idea what it is for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 18, 2007, 11:31:44 AM
sorry that i've been away for so long.  But who called the upset in Salem.

When does Rich offically take over for Carr in Michigain?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 18, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
As an OSU guy, I'm not worried even though OSU has struggled in recent years with teams who have QB's who have the run/pass option and teams who spread you out. Here's what I got from the reporting yesterday on ESPN. Reporters everywhere loved the hire and instantly began saying "Michigan will....(insert whatever you want)." Rich Rodriguez doesn't have the players at Michigan to run "his" style of football. He'll need to adapt to the athletes he has until he gets his recruits in the door for 2-3 years. By that time, if Michigan is 0-2/0-3 against OSU and continues to struggle in Bowl games, will he get that final year to see his 1st recruiting class play as Seniors? I think for him to be considered a "Michigan" man and be accepted by the Maize and Blue, he needs to have success in his first year (that means beating OSU and going to a decent Bowl and winning). With the number of returning players OSU has next year, that may not happen. Plus Michigan will be young. They lose Hart, Manningham, Henne, and All-World Tackle, Jake Long on offense among others.

For the sake of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry, Michigan needs to re-establish themselves as a national power. Rich Rodriguez may not get that chance if he struggles in his first year. With the way things are set up in Ann Arbor right now, that is almost a certainty.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 18, 2007, 03:43:00 PM
robert smith made a great point: the nebraska problem. recruit all of your offense guys to fit that mold, then how long does it take and what happens to your defense?

let's face it, everybody used to fear michigan because of their imposing running game, their great passing attack, and a tough defense. offensively, they attacked you from all angles.

i have not been all that impressed with WVU's offense. The whole offense is lateral, and to get that qb who can run, gets you the qb who can't throw when you need to take advantage of your spread system. the qb at APPy St throws downfield better than WVU's guy. add that in with the fact that every year, a team shows up knowing how to play that system and they lose. i like rich, but i think it was a bad hire if you hired the offensive system. systems come and go, but michigan played football since Bo was the head coach.

if it were me hiring, i probably would have went with a USC OC, Boise St head man, Brady Hoke or current Michigan OC Mike DeBord, Frank Solich, Bill McCartney (michigan man), Gerry Dinardo, or somebody along those lines.

somebody asked me why not Glenn mason??? well, he has never got over the hump. it doesn't matter what school he was at, he always had some reason why they needed another year to get the conf crown. it'll always be the next season with guys like that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 18, 2007, 03:52:56 PM
Rodriguez will play the style that fits his player.  he has been known as a power I guy, a Pro guy, and the spread guy.  he only went to focusing on the spread with these last 2 QB's at WVU who could run really fast.  i heard him say this but also saw Shawn King on First Take talking about this becuase as they put it he could not run but the ran the crap out of the Pro style at Tulane and went 12-0.

Sayer - on the numbers OSU are returning so far somethign like 12 folks have petitioned the NFL for a draft position.  most at Tressels reccomendation cause he knows it may not be high so they comeback.  i think there are going to be 4 Jr's on the D go early (Animal, Big Vern, the Corner and Freeman).  the only one on the offense that might is Barton and possible Robinski but he started to drop off at the end of the year and dont remeber him catching anything other than a vertical route
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2007, 04:21:35 PM
vbell:

Good and interesting comments all of you guys.  Just thought I'd add a few comments to yours in regards to some of the discussion you've all been having (like we have had also on this topic over on the MIAA board).  You mentioned your own thoughts about who you might have considered if you were in control of hiring and here are my "first thought" reactions just for the fun of it! ;D ;); Hoke - good coach, however, I don't think Michigan would go to taking a MAC coach right now i.e. they wanted some "name" coach from a higher profile program; Solich - too much "baggage" from his other programs, which Michigan might consider renegade (my opinion only); Bill McCartney - I always liked him, but he is not interested in getting back into college coaching, read his books Sold Out and Sold Out II, both very good; Gerry DiNardo, similar to your assessment of Mason, DiNardo has not quite gotten over the hump; Mason, I doubt they would have taken this OSU guy (he's always wanted that job as you and Sayer know I'm sure) and especially after his "gaffe" in accepting the Georgia job then changing his mind the in less than 24 hours the next day, that was not a stellar moment! ;D although can't blame anyone for such a touch decision to make and true change of heart in such situations like that, I guess; Mike DeBord, he couldn't do it at Central Michigan, probably a better associate head coach like he has been at Michigan and Northwestern rather than head man at a big school, although anyone deserves a second chance.

I'm sure we could all discuss others, however, we could go on ad naseum ;D about this.  BTW, looks like Brian Kelly might just now stay somewhere for awhile as Cincy just gave him a new revised remaining 4 year deal (i.e. revised from his contract of last year).  On the other hand, with coaches jumping around for the big $ like we've seen, maybe not.  Rodriguez left his alma mater - perhaps he felt he had done all he could at WVa.  Also, I wonder now if Michigan's back-up frosh QB Mallet will transfer since Rodriguez is high on getting that top recruit QB eastern WVa or PA (can't remember right off hand which state he is from) - according to today's papers, that kid (who was probably going to go to WVa if Rodriguez stayed) has now added Michigan to his list among five big schools recruiting him.  It will be interesting to see what happens with all this.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
I was reading today that some WVU boosters said that WVU backed out of promises to Rodriquez that they would be upgrading facilities, giving his staff pay raises and such when he signed his extension.  Supposedly UCLA is speaking to Norm Chow, I don't know why Michigan did not speak to Chow, I think he would have brought a good offense to UM and been a good recruiter.  Oh well it is the Big Ten and I really don't like OSU or UM that much.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2007, 04:44:58 PM
former3db the qb I think you were talking about is Terrelle Pryor from PA.
Rodriguez will do a great job at Michigan & I like his offense a lot more than I liked Carr's.  Michigan needed to change their offense around & to leave their defense alone.  Also w/ Sam McGuffie coming in at RB & 6 offensive & 7 defensive starters returning Michigan will have a strong season next year.  I'm not saying they'll be a powerhouse, but they will be able to compete for the Big Ten championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 18, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
I was reading today that some WVU boosters said that WVU backed out of promises to Rodriquez that they would be upgrading facilities, giving his staff pay raises and such when he signed his extension.  Supposedly UCLA is speaking to Norm Chow, I don't know why Michigan did not speak to Chow, I think he would have brought a good offense to UM and been a good recruiter.  Oh well it is the Big Ten and I really don't like OSU or UM that much.

Chow is 61, Michigan was looking for someone who'd be there 10 years at least.  That doesn't mean he wasn't on Bill Martin's list (if it even existed) but I doubt he was ever a candidate.






Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2007, 05:19:14 PM
dc_has_been:
Thanks for reminding me of the name.  I didn't have my copy of today's local newspaper that had mentioned him right in front of me and couldn't remember the name.  For sure, Michigan needs something to change their offense.  BTW, I wonder how many of the current assistants will be kept on.  Scott Loeffler has been the QB coach for several years and has done a good job in that capacity.  One of their quality control assistant coaches, David Hutchinson, was a standout player at our Adrian College, and this was his first year on the staff (he started out at Adrian, then Toledo, then Missouri and the last 5 seasons at Indiana State).  While Michigan's staff does need some change, some of those new young guys will probably be let go.  Too bad, but that is the nature of the business.

sac:  I was thinking the same re: Chow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 05:28:11 PM
Of course, if Chow decides to pull a JoePa, he may be around for decades! ;D

My prediction: if Pryor comes to Michigan, Mallett transfers.  If not, Rodriguez will somehow adapt his offense to fit a very talented, but definitely not 'spread', qb.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 05:46:54 PM
I didn't realize Chow was that old, I thought he was about 50.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2007, 06:31:07 PM
didn't Carr set it up so if his assistants weren't brought back they still would be paid a years salary?  Also, it would be nice to see Rodriguez bring back the majority of Carr's staff.  I do understand that is probably unlikely, especially for the young guys as former3db mentioned, but I think the staff does a great job coaching fundamentals. 
Mr. Ypsi, I agree w/ you 100% on Mallett transferring if Pryor commits.  If Pryor chooses somewhere else Rodriguez has no choice other than to run a offense that fits Mallet considering he will only be a sophmore & have three season under the center.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 18, 2007, 06:34:28 PM
the wvu administration is saying that rich rodriguez is looking for reasons why he left wvu. really? they wouldn't let his wife stand on the sideline. talk about micromanaging. they look small time now after reading those words.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 18, 2007, 06:45:04 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 18, 2007, 06:31:07 PM
didn't Carr set it up so if his assistants weren't brought back they still would be paid a years salary?  Also, it would be nice to see Rodriguez bring back the majority of Carr's staff.  I do understand that is probably unlikely, especially for the young guys as former3db mentioned, but I think the staff does a great job coaching fundamentals. 

I'm quite the opposite, I'd like to see most of that staff gone.  I'd be surprised if more than 3 get retained, and yes they are paid a year's salary.  Thats because even Carr realized no one else in the universe of college football would want them.

If by great job coaching fundamentals you mean everything besides blocking, tackling and  pursuit angles, then yes they are tremendous. :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 18, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
That is a lot of money to pay guys who will not be coaching for you. I know Michigan has the money to pay them, but I would suspect some of those assistants will be staying.

That recruit from PA, Pryor, is also considering OSU last I had heard. He liked what he saw from them with Troy Smith running the show last year. And he is a big kid. The article I read stated he passed for over 2,000 yards and rushed for over 1,000 yards in his junior season (I was reading this during the summer). Freak of an athlete as well. They likened him to Vince Young, but bigger and just as fast.

Here's my biggest problem with Rich Rodriguez (I was in the middle of this when my last class came and didn't get to post it earlier). He did wonders at West Virginia. He made them relavent again, which hasn't been the case since the late 80's. Yet he was 60-27 the seven years he was there. Grant it, he's had great success the last couple years, but at the same time, he's been playing in the Big East. The Big East isn't known for smashmouth football, tough physical defense. You get the hell beat out of you on a weekly basis in the Big Ten due to the style of play. The Big East isn't  known for their "stud" programs either. I know the Big Ten has dropped off the last few years, but Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Penn State are still respected and feared and I would take those teams 9 out of 10 games playing the Big East. Is he "THAT" good of a coach? Or...is he benefiting from having 2 good years out of 7 playing in a weak conference? We will have to wait an see...which brings me to point number 2.

Michigan returns 13 starters on offense and defense. Of those starters on offense who are leaving...they were the main people. QB, HB, WR, and stud OL. It's not like they are losing a #2 and 3 WR, a FB, and an average OL. They will be very young and if Rodriguez struggles in his first year, will he be given any leeway? I know OSU has a few juniors who will be leaving, but they have 2 senior starters (1 on each side of the ball). Majority of those juniors will be back with the exception of The Animal. I know they are checking out their draft status, but they will be back (unless they have idiots in their ears which is possible). To me, I get a feeling he won't be given a chance. He will be expected to beat OSU right away because Jim Tressel did it and Michigan will expect to be ranked in the elite (top 15). I don't think either of those will happen next year. He'll be wishing he stayed aat WVa.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2007, 07:19:31 PM
Sayer- I think you are off on your assessment w/ what will be expected of Rodriguez in his first year at Michigan.  As you mentioned, Michigan will be losing some studs on offense, so how could it be expected of Rodriguez to come in right away & dominate?  The man will get a few years to decide if he will be a keeper or not. 

On regards to Pryor, I read that he is a stud at basketball too & would like to play both in college.  Do you think any schools are using that to persuade him to commit to their school?  Charlie Ward was able to play both at FSU & Matt Trannon of MSU just recently & both guys were able to very well for themselves in both sports. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 07:20:28 PM
Colleges are getting too much like the NFL when it comes to coaches.  They need to let Rodriquez have 4 or 5 years to see if his program is a success or failure.  He needs to get one or two recruiting classes to their Sr. year.  If they still do not show improvement by that point then they would be justified to make a change.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2007, 08:48:02 PM
I seriously doubt that Rodriguez would be facing unemployment soon even if the wins were a bit on the short side.  UM has had 3 coaches in the last 38 years (and it might have been fewer if Gary Moeller hadn't had an alcohol-fueled meltdown in a suburban Detroit restaurant).  In the entire 100+ years of 'elite' football, that has never been their style (even in the almost two decades before Bo arrived, which was definitely their 'wandering in the desert' period).

Besides, with Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Jake Long, etc., all graduating, I think the expectations of those who count (NOT the rabid fan-posters!) are relatively modest for the short run.  Now if he still hasn't beaten OSU by year four, all bets are off! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2007, 08:54:55 PM
sac:
That's where I disagree with you slightly.  I think there are some of the current Michigan staff that should be retained, particularly some of the younger guys.  Besides, they are "Michigan" guys and that means something as opposed to some of the assistants who are on the perrenial assistant coaching "go round", which does occur.  I think there is something about loyalty and tradition, which apparently Rodriguez didn't like about his alma mater (perhaps there is something to the allegations about reasons why he left WVa as vbell mentioned - we haven't heard the entire story yet).  Anyway, we should be so lucky ;D

This (or somewhat tangential situations for coaching changes) doesn't happen at DIII, does it? (remember Utica College a couple of months ago, anyone? ;D ??? They just named a new hc as Pat and Co. posted this week.)

Again, all interesting comments and great discussion everyone!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 18, 2007, 10:17:25 PM
Hey guys,

I'm going to check in as much as I can, but I can assure you I'll be back around here soon.  I might be in for a 6month break, we'll find out more on January 2nd.  Some people are talking about having a Holiday event for me the weekend before New Years if anyone is interested.  So far, I've got some buddies coming in from Chicago, Louisville, Columbus, Indianapolis and other places...

What does everyone think of the Florida State scandal currently going on??

Sayer,

when you hear about Hanover's decision, please let me know.  Call me. 

Lots of secrecy there about their candidates, makes you wonder who the 3 finalists are. 

See you guys around,
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 18, 2007, 10:18:59 PM
also,
I believe Rich Rod as Pryor refers to him....to be a snake in the grass.  He told this kid on Saturday that he was leaving...etc, but didn't tell his current team?  Whats up with that.  Without those kids at WVU performing the way they have, he'd be in no position to be the new michigan coach.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 18, 2007, 10:23:40 PM
last i heard Pryor had OSU listed as a solid #1.  i think that will be interesting on how it plays out.

Has_Been - we will see next year when you are screaming about the Michigan record.  You guys ran your last 2 coaches out of town after winning Multiple Big Ten and a National championships and 75% of their games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 18, 2007, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 18, 2007, 10:23:40 PM
last i heard Pryor had OSU listed as a solid #1.  i think that will be interesting on how it plays out.

Has_Been - we will see next year when you are screaming about the Michigan record.  You guys ran your last 2 coaches out of town after winning Multiple Big Ten and a National championships and 75% of their games.

Ran out of town?

One completely embarrassed himself publicly and deserved to be canned, the other retired.

If you want to talk about running out of town, see Earle Bruce and John Cooper.....THAT is running someone out of town.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 19, 2007, 09:10:24 AM
You did run those coaches out of town. Didn't know how good you had it. Moeller needed to br run out of town though, he was a jerkaholic.

Earle Bruce did nothing wrong, he just wasn't as good as Woody. Cooper could have got caught delivering a baby in the back of a wrecked car on a bridge and the people would have still wanted him gone. he sucked, period. his daughter did get naked though, and had nice yams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2007, 09:26:16 PM
Hey guys.  What's going on with the Bluffton University job?  I heard that they are interviewing candidates, however, I must have missed where they are making a change.  Any info anyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 20, 2007, 09:14:15 AM
Bluffton? What going on at Hanover???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 20, 2007, 10:00:29 AM
Is it just me or are they kind of dragging this process out of finding a coach?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 20, 2007, 10:02:49 AM
Some modest people like ourselves know Rodriguez should be given a few years, but people at programs like Michigan, OSU, etc. tend not to be modest. Someone mentioned Michigan is known for keeping people around and they are, yet think about this. Bo beat Woody's best OSU team in his first year in 1969 and went on to a 5-4-1 record against Hayes, Moeller had success early against OSU, and we all know Carr's track record prior to Tressel's arrival. They all stayed for many years with the exception of Moeller (we all know why) but they also beat OSU early and often.

Here's another reason: Jim Tressel beat Michigan in his first year with a far inferior team and won a National Championship in his 2nd year. These were John Cooper's kids. They wern't Jim Tressel's. The same as the Michigan players being Carr's and not Rodriguez's. The belief in Ann Arbor will be if Jim Tressel can walk into his first press conference and guarentee a win against Michigan in his first year and DO IT, Rich Rodriguez better be able to as well.

I think he'll struggle next year and he will be feeling the seat get warmer. If he doesn't come away with a 10-win season and/or a victory against OSU in his 2nd season, his 3rd may just be available to search for a new coach. These programs just believe they should have the best of whats around. Similar with UK and basketball (think the boosters are wondering WTF is going on there).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 20, 2007, 10:05:24 AM
It's still early as far as the Hanover job is concerned. The D3 season just ended last weekend. Now if it's the end of January, early February and no one has been named...then it would be time to worry. Last I heard they had the field narrowed down to 3 finalists. More often than not, when people do this, they already have their guy. The other two are just for looks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 20, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
Hanover hired Joe Austin, OC from the University of Dubuque.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 20, 2007, 03:14:38 PM
Who is Joe Austin? Enough of that, I have a few questions for the Hanover alums:

1.) with all of the panther alumni in the college coaching ranks, successful former assistants, why did Hanover not stay in the family? this is an issue considering that Hanover was the team others measured itself against for many, many years.

2.) is the administration this bent on ridding the school of the former family in, order to establish what it wants at a previously successful football/academic institution? would the former alums and former assistants know too much to keep them around? by this, I mean that they know how the school operated to make football successful before and are now APPEARING to sabotage it.

3.) will this hire, instead of a former panther alum or coach, have a negative effect on the team's support?

i don't know, that is why i am asking. thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 20, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Joe Austin joins Hanover College after three highly successful years as the Offensive Coordinator at the University of Dubuque (UD) in Dubuque, Iowa.  During Austin's tenure, UD was transformed from the perennial doormat of the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (IIAC), posting a 5-35 record the four years prior to his arrival, to a national playoff contender and a top 25 ranked team.  While posting a 10-3 record in their last thirteen games and the first back-to-back winning seasons at the school in 28 years, Austin's no-huddle, shotgun spread offense dominated the IIAC, leading the league in scoring, total offense, rushing offense, first downs and red zone offense among other categories. The unit was also among the nation's elite in scoring, total offense and rushing.

While at UD, Austin produced 33 new school records for offense and numerous all-conference, all-region and all-American players, including quarterback Jermar Jackson, who finished his career ranked 16th in NCAA in history for total offense and was named MVP of the Division III all-star game, the Aztec Bowl.

In Austin's first year at UD their scoring average more than doubled and double digit school records were set as they beat their arch-rival, Loras College, for the first time in nearly three decades and finished 9th in the nation in passing offense.  Numerous other milestones followed, including multiple victories against top 25 ranked opponents.

Austin also served as the staff advisor for the school's Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter and as an assistant strength coach for the football program.

Prior to coming to UD, Austin spent one season as the Offensive Coordinator at Augsburg College in Minneapolis, Minnesota.  While there Austin established five school records and increased scoring by more than eight points per game.

Austin also coached four seasons as Assistant Offensive Coordinator at his alma mater, Concordia University (CU), in St. Paul, Minnesota.  Austin joined the staff at CU during their second season of competition at the Division II level.  Before he left, CU claimed the 2003 Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference championship and gained a birth in the Mineral Water Bowl.  During his tenure, the CU offense racked up more than 70 school records and was perennially among the Division II elite in scoring and total offense.  The team was also ranked in the nation's top 25 for three straight seasons.  While at CU, Austin also served a term as the school's Sports Information Director.

Austin earned two degrees at Concordia: a Bachelor of Arts in communication studies and a Master of Arts in organizational management. He also holds multiple professional development certificates from the American Football Coaches Association.

A native of Des Moines, Iowa, Austin has extensive recruiting experience from across the nation, as the University of Dubuque has players on its roster from Alaska to Florida.  It is his intent to bring not only increased numbers and talent to the Hanover football program, but also a commitment to incorporating cultural diversity, an element he feels to be critical in preparing his student-athletes for the world they will face after graduation.

Austin says he is excited to get started at Hanover and plans to officially report for duty on January 2nd, with his wife Marissa, who currently serves as the Director for Alumni Relations at UD, to follow shortly.  "I feel extremely blessed to be the man charged with the duty of restoring the roar to Panther football," Austin said. "Coach Perry has established a tremendous tradition and legacy at this institution.  Our staff and players will do everything we can to carry on this tradition of excellence."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 20, 2007, 04:29:31 PM
As far as why they did not hire from the "Hanover Family"....well, I have my theories but I'd rather not post them here.  However, I have heard good things about Coach Austin so we shall see.  One of the other final 3 candidates was the linebacker coach from Mizzou (previous experience at Rutgers, Toledo and Lehigh University) so you know Austin must have his stuff together to be hired over a veteran coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 20, 2007, 06:50:34 PM
i'd like to hear your theories, feel free to send me a message if you like.

i've always been taught that you keep it in house with a proud tradition, i'm just surprised no alums or former coaches came up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 20, 2007, 06:51:12 PM
forget alums, how about somebody that understands recruiting in indiana/sw ohio/northern kentucky? sorry, i'll stop now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 21, 2007, 08:11:30 AM
Why doesn't he report until January 2nd? 


I thought that was kind of a weird statement to have in there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on December 21, 2007, 08:54:58 AM
Not sure why you thought that was a weird statement.  He was just hired this week and January 2 is only about a week away.  Next week is Christmas and I am sure there won't be any students or much staff on campus so why not wait until after next week to move?  All the schools are closed so he can't go out to schools and recruit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 21, 2007, 11:19:56 AM
My first head coaching job?  I'd be getting started right away. 

I know a few coaches that have worried about moving later...and yes they had wife and kids...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 21, 2007, 11:25:19 AM
Has any word leaked out about what's going on at Defiance?  Is Taylor there or is he moving along?  Been awfully quiet after a few postingas about "leave of absence," etc.

Should be interesting spring in Indiana - FC coach stays put, Hanover hires Austin, and yesterday's surprise of Creighton leaving Wabash for I-AA Drake as HC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 12:04:15 PM
I just looked through Hanover's site and didn't see any reference to the hiring. Where did that release you pasted come from?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 21, 2007, 12:28:19 PM
look harder pat
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 21, 2007, 12:42:58 PM
i am with Pat...just scoured the Hanover and HCAC site and no mention to this.  or maybe he showed up and realized how bad they were and left!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 21, 2007, 01:53:44 PM
Sounds awfully similar to the Brett Dietz Hanover offenses. Maybe he can put together a defense along with a high scoring offense.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 21, 2007, 02:59:52 PM
cave2bens- I noticed someone mentioning that a month ago or so, but I haven't heard anything in regards to Tayor or a vacancy at the Head Coach spot.  I couldn't see him leaving but you never know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on December 21, 2007, 12:28:19 PM
look harder pat

Link us maybe? I'm not alone, obviously.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 22, 2007, 10:28:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on December 21, 2007, 12:28:19 PM
look harder pat

Link us maybe? I'm not alone, obviously.


nah!!  The HCAC traditionally has been very good about their SID's getting information out....   

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
Well, I dug a little deeper in Hanover's site and still came up empty. But I found this gem on the school's front page:
Quote
News and Events
Hanover's business program to admit freshman

Starting this year, students who apply for admission to Hanover College can also apply to its highly successful business program, the Center for Business Preparation (CBP). Founded in 2004, CBP takes an integrated approach to business education, combining the liberal arts with career exploration and focusing on the skills essential to success in any career.

"By admitting freshman, incoming students can begin to build their experience and resumes as soon as they step foot on campus," said President Sue DeWine. Another benefit, she added, is the ability to leverage the program's powerful combination to secure talented students for the freshman class next fall.

Guess at Hanover they don't know the plural of freshman is freshmen. Or maybe they intend to admit just one person a year -- if so, they need to change "incoming students" to "an incoming student" in the quote. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 23, 2007, 05:42:54 PM
UC looked darn impressive in their victory over Southern Miss. I know Southern Miss is an inferior opponent, but UC seems to have a wonderful foundation on which to build.

I hope everyone has a great and safe Holiday (don't want to say Christmas in fear of offending anyone who doesn't belive in Jesus). Then again, what kind of person would I be if I didn't offend people  ;D


Merry Christmas

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 23, 2007, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
Well, I dug a little deeper in Hanover's site and still came up empty. But I found this gem on the school's front page:
Quote
News and Events
Hanover's business program to admit freshman

Starting this year, students who apply for admission to Hanover College can also apply to its highly successful business program, the Center for Business Preparation (CBP). Founded in 2004, CBP takes an integrated approach to business education, combining the liberal arts with career exploration and focusing on the skills essential to success in any career.

"By admitting freshman, incoming students can begin to build their experience and resumes as soon as they step foot on campus," said President Sue DeWine. Another benefit, she added, is the ability to leverage the program's powerful combination to secure talented students for the freshman class next fall.

Guess at Hanover they don't know the plural of freshman is freshmen. Or maybe they intend to admit just one person a year -- if so, they need to change "incoming students" to "an incoming student" in the quote. :)

And Hanover was one of the opponents of adding Thomas More to the Heartland because of perceived lower academic standards...

HA!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 23, 2007, 09:57:31 PM
You are still bitter SaintsFan  ;). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 24, 2007, 08:23:25 PM
pat, you run the D3 website, call hanover and get the details. that's what i was saying. you should have some pull by now, or at least i am hoping wayne perry doesn't hang up on you.

frankin has been allowing freshMEN do internships for a very long time to build up their resumes. it also helps when guys want to switch majors. they find out earlier if they love their major or not. good thing if you ask me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 24, 2007, 10:41:39 PM
Hope everyone has a safe & great Christmas!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2007, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on December 24, 2007, 08:23:25 PM
pat, you run the D3 website, call hanover and get the details. that's what i was saying. you should have some pull by now, or at least i am hoping wayne perry doesn't hang up on you.

Oh, no doubt, and having spoken to Wayne Perry before I'm sure he wouldn't hang up.

My point was if this hiring did indeed take place, one would think the college would want to acknowledge it publicly, in order to maintain the numbers of its incoming freshman (note proper usage as adjective) class. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 25, 2007, 09:34:30 PM
the earlier you can do an internship the better.  my lil sister was a materials engineering major at UC until she did a semester at AK Steel and realized while the major was cool the application in real life sucked.

i interned the summer before my senior year and fell into it on my own without assitance form DC.  it helps when your Aunt is the Admin for the CEO of a 5B company.  i got more real world experience in those 3 months then 4 years of college could ever deliver.  it got me an in and i took over from there.  if i ever talk to a group of college students (specifically Business majors) i would tell them get an internship dress and carry yourself like you are going to run the freaking place and work your ass off.  most folks in big business are lazy or play too many politics and you can look like a rock star by delivering results. 

Merry Christmas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 25, 2007, 11:26:11 PM
Pat,

I received the "press release" from an inside source at HC.  I'm not sure why they haven't release one yet.  I'm also not sure why they did not bother to spellcheck their website.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 26, 2007, 09:57:23 AM
The press release I posted has only been sent to players so they would be the first to know who their new coach was and it will be released on the website in about a week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: playa4life28 on December 26, 2007, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: tricksnaps56 on December 25, 2007, 11:26:11 PM
Pat,

I received the "press release" from an inside source at HC.  I'm not sure why they haven't release one yet.  I'm also not sure why they did not bother to spellcheck their website.

Whats your thoughts on remaining coaches?  Will they all stay?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 27, 2007, 10:01:30 AM
I'm not sure what will happen with the remaining guys.  The DC, Bill Tereshko, is retiring along with Coach P.  As for the other assistants, I guess its up to the new guy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2007, 12:09:48 PM
trick,

I think that guy retired a couple years ago!!

Do you ever see Wells around?  Word is that he has a child and wife..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 28, 2007, 09:08:46 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2007, 12:09:48 PM
trick,

I think that guy retired a couple years ago!!

Do you ever see Wells around?  Word is that he has a child and wife..


Usually those two go hand in hand...not always though.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 28, 2007, 02:30:11 PM
With all of the chatter from the Wabash folks about Coach Leonard being a potentially good fit in Crawfordsville, has anyone heard from him regarding his future at Franklin?  Would he be interested in Wabash? Has he re-stated his commitment to FC? Just wondering what his thoughts on the matter might be...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 28, 2007, 02:43:22 PM

If you want to promote division 3 sports, do a google search for pontiac game changing performance and vote for the only d3 play that will likely be seen there for a long time.  We only have a few days left and Appalachain State is currently in the lead. 

A vote for Trinity is a vote for d3football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on December 28, 2007, 04:49:24 PM
I'm pretty sure Leonard is staying put.  I think Hanover contacted him which prompted Franklin to offer him another full paid assistant among others things.  At least thats the talk around the water cooler.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 28, 2007, 09:27:24 PM
I do believe he saigned an extension at FC. I'm not 100%.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 29, 2007, 12:27:17 PM
QuoteI do believe he saigned an extension at FC. I'm not 100%.

Thanks. BTW, what's the outlook for FC next season? I know Rupp is back...who else?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 30, 2007, 10:59:52 PM
i think fc will have a lot of key players returning, although some guys will have to step up for some solid seniors who will be graduating.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 01, 2008, 08:53:47 PM
I was excited for the Big Ten after the morning. Wisconsin plays Tennessee neck and neck, Michigan Beats Florida in a great game despite 4 turnovers...then comes the Illininois game. I know USC had many players out due to injury during the year, but I still can't fathom how a team who lost to Stanford can beat a team like Illinois as bad as they did. I was thinking something like a 35-20 final. Boy was I wrong.

My girlfriends dad didn't believe me when I said Michigan had a great chance to win. They haven't played a game healthy until now and put up over 500 yards of offense and 41 points despite 4 TO's. I'm glad they were hurt all year cause they could have been scary good come mid-November.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 02, 2008, 12:21:17 PM
the only thing more disgusting than having to watch Illinios get smoked by USC and wondering how did OSU lose to them was watching the Hawaii O-line try to block on skates last night.  the tackles did not even slow down the D-ends and nearly got Brennan killed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2008, 02:21:18 PM
The announcers said the O-line came in averaging 1 sack, every 30+ pass attempts. Georgia had 5 or 6 in the first half. I didn't watch the 2nd half, but even being pressured from everywhere, Brennan was still 14/18 for 117 yards but had a very costly interception.

I think the Boise game last year was a great game, possibly the best college football has ever seen, but I still believe mid-majors need to proove themselves before they get any credit for a big time, BCS Bowl. You'll get your Utah's and Boise's here and there who can compete with the big boys, but overall, on a yearly basis, they can't. I'm almost willing to call the Boise game last year, as good as it was, a fluke.

Next to Hawaii, Gerogia had the longest win streak of any top-25 team I believe at 6 games. They were out of the SEC Championship race by week 4. Just by looking at the way teams finished, I think Gerogia and Oklahoma are the Top 2 teams in the country. USC at full strength is still nasty as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2008, 12:56:24 AM
Adam, think you might want to reconsider on Oklahoma?? ;D

I thought no one would ever "top" Roseanne's butchery of the National Anthem, but tonite was indeed the worst ever.  Deport them all! :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 03, 2008, 01:09:30 PM
Yeah I was way off. I was amazed at how well WVA played. My opinion was similar to a lot of people that WVA would struggle because everyone was in limbo on their future situations. The other 5 teams who played with interm coaches were beaten. Needless to say, WVA didn't have Steve Slaton for most of the game and still finished with over 300 yards rushing. Incredible. How about a former D3 fullback outrunning everyone for a 60-something yard TD.

I was expecting a lot more from Oklahoma. Based on history I probably shouldn't have. Bob Stoops is 0-4 in his last 4 BCS Bowl games (which happen to be his last 4 Bowl games I believe). He has also failed to put out a competitive team in two of those four games and his defense has given up 43 or more points in 3 of them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 03, 2008, 04:49:22 PM
ESPN had the stats up from the last 4 BCS games OK played in.  not only was the score for 3 of them in the 40's  3 also had something like 500+ yds offense and over 300 rushing which is a sick stat. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StinkTink on January 04, 2008, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 25, 2007, 09:34:30 PM
the earlier you can do an internship the better.  my lil sister was a materials engineering major at UC until she did a semester at AK Steel and realized while the major was cool the application in real life sucked.

i interned the summer before my senior year and fell into it on my own without assitance form DC.  it helps when your Aunt is the Admin for the CEO of a 5B company.  i got more real world experience in those 3 months then 4 years of college could ever deliver.  it got me an in and i took over from there.  if i ever talk to a group of college students (specifically Business majors) i would tell them get an internship dress and carry yourself like you are going to run the freaking place and work your ass off.  most folks in big business are lazy or play too many politics and you can look like a rock star by delivering results. 

Merry Christmas

I thought you slept your way to the top ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 05, 2008, 12:49:50 AM
Quote from: StinkTink on January 04, 2008, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 25, 2007, 09:34:30 PM
the earlier you can do an internship the better.  my lil sister was a materials engineering major at UC until she did a semester at AK Steel and realized while the major was cool the application in real life sucked.

i interned the summer before my senior year and fell into it on my own without assitance form DC.  it helps when your Aunt is the Admin for the CEO of a 5B company.  i got more real world experience in those 3 months then 4 years of college could ever deliver.  it got me an in and i took over from there.  if i ever talk to a group of college students (specifically Business majors) i would tell them get an internship dress and carry yourself like you are going to run the freaking place and work your ass off.  most folks in big business are lazy or play too many politics and you can look like a rock star by delivering results. 

Merry Christmas

I thought you slept your way to the top ???

i didn't know that Alpha's had so much pull in the business world ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 05, 2008, 06:58:41 AM
you guys are Dicks, just trying to give friendly advice.  Alphas do have pull.  trying to close a deal at Eli Lily and you would be suprised how much pull they have in the Penicillin world!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 05, 2008, 09:44:33 AM
 
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on January 05, 2008, 06:58:41 AM
you guys are Dicks, just trying to give friendly advice.  Alphas do have pull.  trying to close a deal at Eli Lily and you would be suprised how much pull they have in the Penicillin world!!

Married to a DC Alpha, and darned right that "they pull."  Trick is finding one on the right side of the needle as it is much better to give than receive... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 06, 2008, 11:40:34 AM
One more day until the 2007-2008 College Season is over  :'(

The #1 thing I learned from D1 college football this year is I don't know Sh!t about D1 college football  ;D

Are you able to play in more than 1 all star game in Ohio as a high school player?

Did anyone see Bobby Knight bring his 2 year old grandson to the post game interview. Absolutely hilarious.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 06, 2008, 03:17:32 PM
It is now posted on Bluffton's website that the university has announced the selection/appointment of Tysen Veidt as its new Head Football Coach.  He was at St. Vincent College last year and a GA under Rodriquez at WVa two years prior to that and played at Muskingum.  Go to their website and a video shows the press conference.  We had heard scant news about some of the potential candidates for this job, however, not much.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 07, 2008, 08:06:18 AM
I'm not sure what to think about the hire, formerd3db.  On the one hand, how much experience do you need to run a program?  He had one year as a coordinator. 

I'm not sure there's such thing as a bad hire for Bluffton though, as long as they come to an agreement with someone.  They haven't been good for more than an upset or two since the days of Tyson Goings. 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
SaintsFAN:

Indeed, I am not sure what to think about it either.  I am all for these young coaches getting a shot - opportunities are tough competition at any level.  On the other hand, as you mention, he was only a coordinator for one year - you would think they would want someone with some additional years experience.  I also always wondered how some of the older, more veteran coaches feel about having someone younger as their boss - although perhaps some of them are content on being assistants and don't want the extra responsibilities that come with the top position.

Regarding a similar situation, Kazoo's new coach is only 7 years out since graduation, however, he's had several years experience coaching and is an alum - knows that program and it's challenges, so that is a different situation than most small college jobs.  As you say, perhaps Bluffton is the same.  I do wish hiim well, however, because if schools like Bluffton get better, it also helps the conference - our MIAA had the similar situation with Olivet and now Tri-State.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIII Fan on January 08, 2008, 06:24:29 AM
Official announcement of new Hanover Football Coach:

http://www.hanover.edu/athletics/men/football/

Also they will be interviewing him before the basketball game on Wednesday @ www.wikiradiofm.com starting at 6:30
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
I think Michigan got a taste of what they possibly missed out on last night.

What was everyones take on last night? I would really like to know. I feel that OSU matched up well with LSU and speed wasn't the issue. The problem for OSU, which is really odd, was mental mistakes and erors in judgement. They had 2 personals on LSU's first TD drive and 2 on LSU's first TD of the 2nd half, one of which was the roughing the punter. I feel like Tressel didn't make the necessary committment to the run game. Wells had 9 carries in the first half. Even if you take way his long TD run, he was averaging about 7 per carry. Aside from a Boeckmann scramble, I remember OSU running the ball on consecutive plays only once...3rd and 4th and short with about 9-10 minutes to go in the 4th. The announcers said Tressel wanted Boeckmann to get comfortable, but after the 2nd series and the long completion to Saine, if he's not settled in, he'll never be.

Regardless, I think OSU did well with the exception of 2 plays. Unfortunately, they happend to be the biggest 2 plays of the game. Hartline or Robinski (can't remember which) dropping the TD pass which resulted in a blocked FG and the roughing the punter. OSU never got momentum back after the blocked FG. They tried when they stopped LSU in the 2nd half, but gave it right back with the roughing call. The drop cost OSU a TD and the roughing the punter extended LSU's scoring drive which made the game 31-10. Other than those 2 plays, I think the teams matched up well.

I'm happy that OSU did as well as they did. I stated way back in August that they would have a shot at 11-0 entering Ann Arbor due to their schedule. I also said that they should be ranked more like 15th instead of 10th or whatever they were. They were 10-1. But with the way the season went this year and the players that left from last year's team, they had a great year. I'm hoping this loss causes some of the Juniors to stick around for another year. If not, the sight in Southern California next year may be tough to watch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2008, 02:37:16 PM
I think you saw a problem in seperation from the OSU skill guys.  The receivers were not open after the initial deluge of OSU points.  This lead to Boeckman needing more time and he didn't have it.  I think OSU needs a different QB if they are to be a truly elite team.  Both lines matched up well with LSU, it was the skill guys save for Beanie Wells that were outgunned. 

Another thing you saw was OSU playing on too much emotion.  It helped them jump out 10-0 early...but hurt them later as the flattened out in the 2nd quarter.  You have to wonder how much the "articles" that tressel pointed out to them pissed them off and led to this.  When they tried to create and play off emotion later....then you saw the personal fouls.   It was pretty obvious last night that if this is the best the Big 10 has to offer, they have a long way to go to truly COMPETE with the big boys of the SEC.  I also think WVU would have done the same thing to them. 

I didn't think LSU would put it on them like that last night.

My final top 5:

LSU
USC
WVU
Georgia
Kansas

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 03:27:49 PM
I didn't perceive a substantial comparative lack of skill player speed - it was penalties and inferior offensive and defensive line (including LBs) play. Fix those (a mouthful), and OSU overcomes its three turnovers and wins - possibly big.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2008, 04:07:48 PM
I think you are right on frank.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 08, 2008, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2008, 02:37:16 PM
 It was pretty obvious last night that if this is the best the Big 10 has to offer, they have a long way to go to truly COMPETE with the big boys of the SEC. 

Everyone has such short term memory when it comes to college football

Michigan 41 Florida 35
LSU 28 Florida 24........just a last second TD throw

Tennessee 21 Wisconsin 17......2 more feet and UW wins on last second TD throw.
LSU 21 Tennessee 14

Sorry, but the Big 10 competes just fine, its what happens when you put quality teams from quality conferences on the field with each other.

Somehow the poor old Big 10 manages a 3-3 record vs the mighty SEC in bowl games over 2 years, which are basically home games.  OSU seems to have the problem beating SEC teams (0-9) that is OSU's problem not the Big 10's.

SEC fans are like the 14 year old girl with low self esteem who has to be told how pretty she is ALL the time..........I am pretty aren't I, tell me I'm pretty, see how pretty I am,..........told you I was pretty.

But thank god we have George Carville to tell us how great the SEC is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2008, 05:20:44 PM
sac, Is that James Carville's shyer brother? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 08, 2008, 05:32:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2008, 05:20:44 PM
sac, Is that James Carville's shyer brother? ;D

A little fired up, of course I meant James.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 05:55:44 PM
I remember the 40s and 50s when the Big Ten was 12-1 in the Rose Bowl which of course at that time was the most prestigious bowl of all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 08, 2008, 06:13:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2008, 02:37:16 PM

My final top 5:

LSU
USC
WVU
Georgia
Kansas


I'm going to go w/
LSU
Kansas
WVU
Georgia
Michigan- b/c if they were healthy all year they would have been a top five team.  Wishful thinking at least.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2008, 08:00:01 AM
where's USC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 09, 2008, 10:39:15 AM
I actually would have USC at 5 or 6 b/c  Missouri would be up for consideration of a top 5 vote too.
I like the idea of a 8 team playoff in DI BCS, but there would still be a lot of complaining from schools who didn't get in when they thought they should.  It is still better then how they do it now though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 09, 2008, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 03:27:49 PM
I didn't perceive a substantial comparative lack of skill player speed - it was penalties and inferior offensive and defensive line (including LBs) play. Fix those (a mouthful), and OSU overcomes its three turnovers and wins - possibly big.

Think there are two linebacker prototypes, those that get off their blocks and those who shoot with speed.  Might even add a third for those that can turn their hips in coverage.

The former would be the Bill George, Sam Huff, Levon Kirlkland and Jeremiah Trotter types.  Heavier and able to control gaps and areas.  Often there is attendant stiffness in the hips so to speak, but the personnel for the scheme can sacrifice some girth for athleticism at other positions. 

Group those who strike with speed into that category including Urlacher.  Get a body on him and prevent the athleticism from taking over.

Those that are able to turn their hips in coverage?  Maybe Derrick Brooks if looking at his passes defensed statisitics over the years.  Gotta love a player that allows teams to Eagle under an offense.  Not sure Wilbur Marshall didn't allow teams in the 80's to mix eagling 43's under and 34's over with his rare combination of attacking speed and hip funk.

Don't know that Laurinitis has enough lateral movement, speed or athleticism to be totally absent in that first category.  How many times was a backside tackle that moved at the pace of a glacier going to swallow him up before they would start at least trying to cross hatch some blitzes and get him moving toward the line of scrimmage?  Absolutely on roller skates.

signed,
Willy Lanier
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 09, 2008, 04:15:36 PM
Did not focus on individuals, but the flow of the game indicated to me that the OSU DLs as a group lacked sufficient quickness, body control and lateral movement and the OSU LBs instincts, vision, decisiveness and ability to wrap up - with the result that they did not meet LSU zone blocking well enough and did not pressure the passer well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on January 09, 2008, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: MacLeod on January 09, 2008, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 08, 2008, 03:27:49 PM
I didn't perceive a substantial comparative lack of skill player speed - it was penalties and inferior offensive and defensive line (including LBs) play. Fix those (a mouthful), and OSU overcomes its three turnovers and wins - possibly big.

Think there are two linebacker prototypes, those that get off their blocks and those who shoot with speed.  Might even add a third for those that can turn their hips in coverage.

The former would be the Bill George, Sam Huff, Levon Kirlkland and Jeremiah Trotter types.  Heavier and able to control gaps and areas.  Often there is attendant stiffness in the hips so to speak, but the personnel for the scheme can sacrifice some girth for athleticism at other positions. 

Group those who strike with speed into that category including Urlacher.  Get a body on him and prevent the athleticism from taking over.

Those that are able to turn their hips in coverage?  Maybe Derrick Brooks if looking at his passes defensed statisitics over the years.  Gotta love a player that allows teams to Eagle under an offense.  Not sure Wilbur Marshall didn't allow teams in the 80's to mix eagling 43's under and 34's over with his rare combination of attacking speed and hip funk.

Don't know that Laurinitis has enough lateral movement, speed or athleticism to be totally absent in that first category.  How many times was a backside tackle that moved at the pace of a glacier going to swallow him up before they would start at least trying to cross hatch some blitzes and get him moving toward the line of scrimmage?  Absolutely on roller skates.

signed,
Willy Lanier

Hey Willy, where do you put LT and Derrick Thomas?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 09, 2008, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on January 09, 2008, 05:42:53 PM
Hey Willy, where do you put LT and Derrick Thomas?

Sense this question is posed tongue in cheek, but here goes.

LT and Derrick Thomas struck with speed.  Same category as Urlacher, but as outside linebackers there is generally more opportunity to play with leverage, meaning ability to fall back into a play not stroke blockers.  Though LT stroked a few Bills guards if I remember correctly.

Thought I was more singling out a coordinator than the player Frank.  Not that I wasn't singling out Laurinaitis, but generally it seems LB's are less physical taking on bockers at all levels these days.  Has been the trend for a few years now.  There are some OLB's out there in the college ranks doing these things, but they seem to be converted to DE's in the pros and wash out (see Kalimba Edwards.)  The OLBs we are seeing in 30 fronts such as San Diegos are more comparably hybrids in my esteem.  Same goes for Vrable and Adalius Thomas, hybrids.

My take on the OSU-LSU game was more like, how many times are the Buckeyes gonna come out in a one back set and motion to five wides?  How many times were they going to come out in shotgun?  Wasn't Beanie's big touchdown run from under center with a lead blocker...?  Know a guard trapped or at least G pulled through the hole.

Always have felt you dont attack the teeth of collective defense as much as you attack a defense's best downlineman.  Five wide is not attacking a defenses best downlineman, it is accounting for him and making the others look all world.

Where have you gone Ned Bolcar?

signed,
Gore to Martz :: TO to Garcia
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on January 09, 2008, 11:22:43 PM
I was actually thinking LT and to a slightly lesser extent DT were combinations of the three types of linebacker.  LT had enough brute strength to take on an offensive lineman and win, along with the speed to chase down the play from the backside.  LT could also run with just about any back or tightend he was ever asked to cover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 10, 2008, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: MacLeod on January 09, 2008, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on January 09, 2008, 05:42:53 PM
Hey Willy, where do you put LT and Derrick Thomas?



Where have you gone Ned Bolcar?

signed,
Gore to Martz :: TO to Garcia

MacLeod,
Bolcar is in equities sales for Jefferies and Company, a Wall Street Firm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2008, 09:18:15 AM
LT and Dick Butkus are the best every to play the game at LB. Not far off are guys like the obvious choices, but what about:

Greg Lloyd
Zach Thomas
Pepper Johnson
Hollywood Henderson
Romo

My all LB team would be LT, Dick Butkus, Singletary, Romo. Yes, I'd run a 3-4.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on January 10, 2008, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2008, 09:18:15 AM
LT and Dick Butkus are the best every to play the game at LB. Not far off are guys like the obvious choices, but what about:

Greg Lloyd
Zach Thomas
Pepper Johnson
Hollywood Henderson
Romo

My all LB team would be LT, Dick Butkus, Singletary, Romo. Yes, I'd run a 3-4.

I would put Harry Carson, Brad Van Pelt, Bill Bergey, Nick Bouniconti, Mike Curtis ahead of Lloyd, Thomas, Johnson, Hollywood and Romo.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 10, 2008, 10:28:33 AM
August "Iron Mike" Michalske. Look it up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2008, 11:45:24 AM
I'm glad to hear someone else describe the play and formation selection by Jim Tressel as brutal (not in exact words but in meaning). It was evident to me that the OL of OSU matched up well with the D front of LSU as long as they were not in 3rd and longs. However, due to the failed commitment to the run game, OSU's offense, if it didn't get the first down on 1st or 2nd, was faced with 3rd and long. They had very few 3rd and shorts. I believe Beanie Wells did not run the ball 2 consecutive times until middle of the 4th quarter. If he did, it was only once early in the game.

For the most part, Boeckmann had time to throw the ball on 1st and 2nd down (time meaning more than 3 seconds). He wasn't able to throw because OSU's skill players couldn't separate consistently. It sucks for him, but I think he'll be the back up again next year. Antonio Henton, a 6-2, 232 pound freshman QB from Georgia is supposed to be the real deal and surpass Boeckmann and Schoenhoff.

All in all, I still think OSU held their own despite the "experts" words of crushed, humiliated, beat down, etc. I disagree with Tony Kornheiser who said the turning point was the roughing the kicker penalty. The turning point was the dropped TD pass in the 2nd quarter...resulting in a blocked FG. OSU was never able to get momentum back. They had an opportunity in the 2nd half, but gave it back to LSU after the roughing call. The roughing penalty was a huge play later in the game when OSU scored to make it 31-17 because they were down 14 not 7, but it wasn't the turning point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 10, 2008, 12:15:01 PM
The earlier analysis sounds like I'm bashing the formations, not my intent.  More in line with Sayer that it was the play calling.

Am a big fan of single wing and short punt type play calling from the shotgun.  Wildcat or something per McFadden Arkansas as opposed to the veering schemes of the doublewing Wildcat.  Seems shotgun was a trapping and T run game under the old Elway nomenclature.

One thing the Spread, particularly Meyer-Tebow spread option, does right in my opinion is run downhill between the tackles with the quarterback, that is the throwing fullback per CMU 80 series.  Don't know OSU had the wheels or girth to handle this plan of attack but the incoming freshman Sayer touts sounds to fit the bill.

Running downhill powerfully with the quarterback sets up those stretched out sweep as opposed to stretch tailback runs and waggles.  Waggle is still the best play in football even if the game turning fumble for OSU was most likely a called Waggle.  OSU just didnt have the appropriate setups to Waggle.  Downhillas I as opposed to single wing works better with check with me double GUT's as a playaction than Waggle here.

Always liked Holecek (Illinois ?) to play that interior spot am assuming Victory is assigning to Butkus.  Might even take Bennet and Talley over a Romo-LT combination as well, but for LT's ability to play walked up on the line.  Also, would rather see Wilbur Marshall there as opposed to Singletary, just think Singletary was good at picking locks in the 46 and Marshall's speed and athleticism would be more valuable with fewer DL to gobble up blockers.

signed,
Flex Defense
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 10, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
The single/double wing with its short, intermediate and long snaps, spinner and buck lateral has the capacity for dive, iso, trap, power, sweep, option, counter, boot and waggle with or without deception/misdirection, with a varied number of potential receivers and with zone or conventional point-of-attack blocking, and much of all those we are getting from what euphemistically is being called the spread among other designations. One needs to find that special and uncommon single wing TB (QB) in order to take maximum advantage - if you don't have him or if worse yet he is lost during the season, then that offense becomes limited.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 11, 2008, 08:48:05 AM
Over in another room there was mention of single-wing football and that got me wondering ... anyone here ever play with or against single-wing?  I did back in the late 50's ... which makes me really old, I know.  Any stories?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 11, 2008, 10:35:15 AM
By the end of the 50s the single wing had effectively disappeared although to this day there is a small number of high school and pee-wee teams which practice it and call it the single wing. But in my view the modern "spread" as practiced by some is a version of the single wing. There exists a "single wing association" which swaps information and which, I believe, meets periodically. Try googling.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 11, 2008, 01:15:10 PM
OK, quick recruiting update.  Word is that Mount St. Joe has produced a quick little rap video to show prospective recruits JUST what the Westside is all about...

Do you guys thinks this will work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKvKHaJ3Li8
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 11, 2008, 09:59:20 PM
that is some funny stuff
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 12, 2008, 03:40:34 PM
The kid with the high pitched falsetto, is that Sayer?

Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 11, 2008, 08:48:05 AM
Over in another room there was mention of single-wing football and that got me wondering ... anyone here ever play with or against single-wing?  I did back in the late 50's ... which makes me really old, I know.  Any stories?

When Denison dedicated Piper Field in 1997, they ran a few series of single wing to honor the Piper Wing.

Have been paired with an offensive coordinator and moreover an offensive playbook lately that is fundamentally Fly.  Think pre snap shallow motion in front of a pistol or shotgun quarterback or additionally even post snap in front of a three and even more likely two step drop.

The Wham play, trapping interior down linemen with an overgrown fullback, and weak belly counter underneath an aggressive upfield pass rush are the two mind sets.

Motion can happen pre or post snap for different classes of men.  Think of the single wing as post snap motion by the strong side guard, designated as such by his direction of motion not formation.

Unlike a trap, single wing guard motion is more akin to the G block.  The staple is the offtackle plunge, and the pull will be across several men requiring a guard with enough physical as well as mental accumen to know when to log/hook, kickout or lead through.  The premium is on height or range and athleticism.

Have seen single wing principles matched well with the Fly.  Two step drop, mismatched or incongruent pre and post snap motions, staple upback rushes and the ability to double screen place a premium on an aware and quickfooted as opposed to bruising tailback. Tailback shortness of stature can be a benefit as well, with the ability to break the linebackers line of sight.

Think the ability to both DIG and wheel is what separates this mindset from being either T or run and shoot. 

signed,
OG Henny Lo
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 13, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Wow!!! That video was brutal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 13, 2008, 04:49:41 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 13, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Wow!!! That video was brutal.

Quite strange, actually! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 14, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
Sayer doesn't sing...the Ol Lady sings...quite well too, but not Sayer.

I believe the words to the Phil Collins song are "I can't dance, I can't talk...the only thing about me is the way I walk." In my case, replace talk with sing.

I'm at school and don't have the availability to see the youtube video but I guarentee it's better than the 2004 Highlight tape...the talent show part. I almost feel bad for Tom Hornsby after that. He never seemed to be the same person. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 14, 2008, 02:46:56 PM
Sayer,

I thought that I saw you on it...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 14, 2008, 03:37:43 PM
If you're actually serious that I am on it...they threw in some old photos and/or video. I'm a little nervous now. I'll be looking forward to seeing this when I get home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 14, 2008, 04:47:52 PM
nah, I'm joking.  Don't be nervous
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2008, 06:43:52 PM
The video was removed before I could watch it. I did find some old coverage of the TMC-MSJ games from the early 90's, noteably this one starring QB, John Paul Case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abcyX01dgnA
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 16, 2008, 08:26:34 AM
who else played on that team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 16, 2008, 01:55:15 PM
Congrats to TMC Coach, John Paul Case on being inducted into the Thomas More College Hall of Fame.  He'll be inducted on February 23rd along with all-time leading rusher, Will Castleberry. 

My manager is an old HS classmate of JPC's....says he was a good dude.. 

Anyways....victory...the running back on that video was Dan Calhoun.  I played two years with him....GREAT running back.  He was one of two backs to rush for 1,000 yards in the 1993(Thomas More has done it three times total). 

For you smarta$$es out there....this video was BEFORE my time.

Also, thanks for the thoughts....my legal case is coming along nicely.  Next important date is Feb 4th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 16, 2008, 02:11:21 PM
That's 12 days before Sayer turns 26. St. Johns must love me. We have 2/15 and 2/18 off giving me a 4-day weekend to celebrate the birthday.

Here's a list of the top 100 recruits according to Rivals.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?SID=880&Year=2008&ra_key=1803

OSU has 8 of them and some information about the Pryor kid is included. You can click on the list icon to see who they are considering.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 16, 2008, 02:12:37 PM
The best thing about that post is the Ol Lady was bored at work and sent me that link cause she was looking at it. Gotta love a girl who does her football homework.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 16, 2008, 03:50:53 PM
You better not let her get away...

I hope your planning to be at thomas more on Feb 23rd...

i read the ESPNMagazine article on Pryor, not sure what to think of him as a person.  I know one thing....the ONLY reason Ohio State is still being considered by him is that they are telling him he'd be the starter as a true freshman in Columbus. 

My roomie played for the Bucks, he says word around the other alums is they are planning to demote Boeckman and starting Antonio Henton if Pryor doesn't come..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 16, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
The Enquirer reported yesterday that Robbie Schoenhoff (St. X Grad) is transfering from OSU to Delaware because Henton was promoted ahead of him. I posted something about this kid before the National Championship. From what I hear, Boeckman may as well start adjusting the headset so he can wear it again. OSU will have a legit QB from SEC country. It's also nice to see that the top 2 OL in that class are heading to Columbus.


Notre Dame has some solid names, including Kyle Rudolph (Elder).

I do think it funny how you can say a 6'7" 315 OT from Ohio is better than a guy the same size from Texas. There are so many good players around the country, how do you decide who's better? The national QB of the Year award went to some Senior who thre for 3500 or so yards and 31 TD's. Seriously, how do you pick 1 player from 5,000?

I thought it was great my Senior year because I got a free magazine because I was mentioned in it as a top-500 recruit. The number 1 recruit that year...none other than the fabulous, Brock Berlin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 16, 2008, 06:05:20 PM
This is a buddy of mine (he smokes a lot of pot) so that will explain this. He was video taped licking a scatmat. For those of you who don't know what a scatmt is, it's a mat that goes on your coach that gives off a 'slight' electrical charge so your pets don't sit on your couch. The shock is strong enough to be unpleasant and my buddy, probably high as a kite, licks it. You need volume to fully appreciate this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHYiRTqOyWg
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 17, 2008, 09:53:25 AM
it appears that he smokes ALOT of weed, Adam.  Cheese and Crackers, thats...well, I don't know what that is.  WOW :o

They moved Schoenhoff to SCOUT TEAM TE during the weeks leading up to the BCS Title Game.  He apparently wasn't happy since September there....but still has nothing bad to say about Ohio State.  That might be in the contract that they sign with the boosters upon signing letters of intent with Ohio State....kind of like the "loyalty clause" that Mike Brown made Bengals players sign in the late 1990s.

The only one who has spoken up is Clarett, and look where he is...they burned him at the stake. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 17, 2008, 10:30:34 AM
PAT,

Which stadium is that on the front page??  Has to be a Northwest school..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 11:34:26 AM
Lewis & Clark, in fact.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 17, 2008, 05:01:51 PM
Very nice....were you guys there during the Linfield trip?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 07:18:42 PM
Indeed. We always try to hit at least one other campus when possible. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on January 18, 2008, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 11:34:26 AM
Lewis & Clark, in fact.

Nice photo...that is pretty much what Griswold Stadium looks like if there is a game at L&C or not.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 18, 2008, 08:07:54 PM
word of advice...if you are sitting there with the wife getting an ultrasound and she is hoping for a Girl.  when you see your boy's junk on the screen the first thing out of your mouth should not be "sweet 3 more and we have an Oline"  i learned this the hard way today.  good news is we are having a boy again.

Has been i need to be in LA for a meeting on the 24th -26th of Feb  get ready
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2008, 07:27:35 PM
I don't know if any of you have ever played or been to Ironton, OH. They are an old, blue-collar town who traditionally puts out a great football team. On my trip to Huntington, WV last year while coaching wrestling, I drove by Ironton and their football stadium which is visible from the highway. It looked almost identical to the pic on the front page. I think they have played in the same stadium since the 50's or something. Brings goose bumps thinking about the history of old time staidums like that...the guys whop have played in the past.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 21, 2008, 09:43:34 AM
my high school had a yearly serious with Ironton back in the late 80s and early 90s.   YES, I do remember playing those guys.   VERY tough teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on January 21, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
Congrats 70_DC_Alum!

I am only at number 1 right now, but definitely looking forward to #2!

I hope all goes well!

Go Jackets!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on January 18, 2008, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 11:34:26 AM
Lewis & Clark, in fact.

Nice photo...that is pretty much what Griswold Stadium looks like if there is a game at L&C or not.

I considered the irony as I posted it. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DogPower on January 21, 2008, 05:23:27 PM
Lets start talking about next season. who to you think is going to take the HCAC in 08? Who should we look out for? Predictions, thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 22, 2008, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: Jacket18 on January 21, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
Congrats 70_DC_Alum!

I am only at number 1 right now, but definitely looking forward to #2!

I hope all goes well!

Go Jackets!

Well 18, congrats.  Looks like you don't have to look forward to #2 anymore, yesterdays post took care of that.  On to #3 now for you sir. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 23, 2008, 11:15:03 AM
Something to consider for The Mount next year is they played almost half their season this past year without their number 1 HB and WR...both were Seniors, and their best OL, Steve Wergers missed significant time due to injury (he was a Senior as well). MSJ still finished the year 9-2 with underclassmen filling in for the hurt Seniors for almost half the year. They are a rather young team as I believe 4 of 5 OL return, the QB, and many of the young HB who filled in for Lovell come back as well on offense.

I believe they return a decent number of bodies on defense as well. They will compete again with Franklin for the top spot. Aside from those two, I think the other teams in the HCAC are playing for 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 23, 2008, 12:37:56 PM
plus the Mount will be recruiting very well, because of their new youtube video that was posted here. 


In all seriousness....something was said about Defiance's Coach Taylor.  I think there's something going on up in Northern Ohio and its not Bluffton. 

With the change at Bluffton and Hanover along with the aforementioned potential issues at Defiance....I also think this will be a two team race, though probably not a close one.  Even with those kids being out last year, MSJ still had their leadership and experience to help teach those younger players.  If the lessons were learned AND there is really good senior leadership, MSJ will challenge Franklin.  I believe that MSJ, in order to take another step forward, needs to recruit a pure passer. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 23, 2008, 04:10:06 PM
A thing that will help MSJ is they are getting a 1AA WR transfer, im not sure of his name or where he is coming from but that will be a huge step as well. Franklin is a good team but i feel MSJ is going to take the title this year with good solid coaching and a good returning O-Line, if they can stay healthy they could maybe make a run in the playoffs as well
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 23, 2008, 08:41:01 PM
I have a question for all you "small school football historians" out there. Seton Hill is a DII school 30 miles putside Pittsburgh. Can anyone give me any info on their football program aside from the usual lingo the website will tell?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 24, 2008, 01:23:21 AM
70 dc alum, congrats on baby boy #2!!!  I'll be ready when you come out here next month.  Just make sure I know the specifics so that I can plan something out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2008, 08:47:30 AM
I've heard that too, LionsDen, on the PAC Board.  Rumor has it that he was choosing between TMC and MSJ.  To be honest, I'm glad that he didn't go to Thomas More.  I've experienced firsthand what someone transferring "down" can do to a team when we got a RB from West Virginia.  Supposedly he was "can't miss".....but we had a sophomore RB on the team by the name of Will Castleberry.  This player couldn't unseat him and then caused some issues with team chemistry.  Many in the program wished he'd never came to school with us. 

I know MSJ has had this issue recently with a certain QB.  Many times transfers work out, but also their attitudes dictate how well they fit in with the team.  If the guy is a primadonna, then look out. 

**If you guys want a good laugh, check out the NCAC Board.....I made a guess on who the next coach at Wabash is going to be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 24, 2008, 10:04:03 AM
I agree with you 100% SaintsFan, if any transfer comes in and thinks he is better than the team then it seriosuly hurts the team chemistry. Now with that said, dont stereotype all transfers, a lot of them played at a high level and were on scholarship yes but a lot just want to go somewhere where they can win and have fun. From what i hear from Coach Huber, is this WR they are getting comes from a line of coaching, his dad and his grandfather were coaches. I dont see too many coaches sons being a problem but only time will tell. Now if he had chosen TMC i think you would be singing a different song. As you know MSJ lost key receivers after this past season. it will surely help them.

Also someone transferring from a 1AA team compared to West Virgina is also a very different thing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2008, 03:59:36 PM
if he is any good, he will help out the Lions.  If his last name is Mooshigian (sp) or like that, I think thats who he is...

I also meant what I said....I am GLAD TMC did not get this kid.  I like what the Saints are building with players recruited as freshman.. 

Hats off to MSJ for getting him, but if he were a Saint, I'd be counting down until there's a blow up....just like I am now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 24, 2008, 04:10:41 PM
Where did you see that? Mooshagian? Is he related to former Bengals wide receiver coach Steve Mooshagian? If so, good pick up. Im not so sure i would count down for a blowup
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2008, 04:18:02 PM
Lionsden,

exactly.  IF thats him....check it out on the general board under "transfer" from last year....he already did once, I believe.

I'm not going to say anything bad about the exchange....you guys can read on your own.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 24, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
just did some research on him, played and started at wide receiver at Sacramento state, redshirted this past season at a local junior college. Looked like he tried to transfer before but didnt find a spot. MSJ will be good fit for him
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2008, 04:22:46 PM
yep thats him...could be another player though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 24, 2008, 04:25:13 PM
Well from my research it looks like be was ejected from a game in 2006, that's the only problem I have seen. He played against some good teams! Top 1a teams! Hopefully he comes in with a good attitude and can really help the lions! I'm looking forward to seeing him play
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 24, 2008, 04:33:23 PM
hasbeen shoot me an email i think your address has changed

I land at 3:30 at LAX on Sunday 2/24  my meeting is at 8am on Monday and i am staying right by LAX in El Segundo.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2008, 05:03:50 PM
El Segundo is NOT good, 70.  Me and ex-Mrs. SaintsFAN stayed there once on a visit to Los Angeles and were not impressed.  Too close to Hawthorne, CA. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 24, 2008, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2008, 05:03:50 PM
El Segundo is NOT good, 70.  Me and ex-Mrs. SaintsFAN stayed there once on a visit to Los Angeles and were not impressed.  Too close to Hawthorne, CA. 

Must not have visiting Fred and LaMont Sanford  ;D  

Belatedly, congrats on your new, future lineman, Ben!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 25, 2008, 07:48:09 AM
LionsDen:

A wise man once told me "Loose Lips sink ships"  ;)

Sounds Like Dorf got a fifth year of eligability
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 25, 2008, 07:48:42 AM
Sayer:

Where are you at this weekend?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 25, 2008, 08:27:15 AM
my office is in El Segundo and i am lazy or i would stay elswhere.  i am only about a mile from LAX. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 25, 2008, 01:06:07 PM
I'm in Encino now, so I'm about 30 minutes from LAX.  Still shouldn't be any problem though.  I'll email you later.

cave2bens- nice touch with Sanford & Son.  Red Foxx rocks!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 25, 2008, 04:21:12 PM
Loose lips sink ships huh? whats that supposed to mean? im looking forward to this season of play in the HCAC!!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 26, 2008, 03:41:41 PM
We had this weekend off and will be at your place next weekend for the Harrison Duals. Are you guys getting a hotel for the Dublin tournament? I really don't feel like staying with the Ol Lady's parents.

We'll see about the Transfer. MSJ had transfers that worked out very well (Lovell and Lawless) and some who have not worked out so well (Yeah...THAT guy who thought he was Mike Vick). As long as you're successful and get the ball thrown your way, most WR remain happy and since Mike Jones was a Senior, MSJ will be looking for a new #1.

And I learned something new today...Caller ID is illegal in California as all you well-traveled business men probably already knew.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 26, 2008, 03:42:19 PM
Loose lips sink ships but that never stopped us or sunk our ship :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 26, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
Clever.....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 28, 2008, 07:35:19 AM
i never understood why women get upset when guys to strip clubs. they should be happy that we are happy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 28, 2008, 07:35:48 AM
Very True

After this weekend the freshman are done for the rest of the year.  I get the weekends off.  You will have to fill me in on the Dublin tournament.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 28, 2008, 07:38:02 AM
Ignorance and Jealousy, that we are spending money on some other chick
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 28, 2008, 08:27:52 AM
You just have to remember the old saying "It doesn't matter where you get your appetite from, just make sure you come home to eat".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 28, 2008, 09:34:02 AM
unfortunately... you are relying on women's hormones...so what they aren't pissy about this week, they could be pissy about next week. 

Strip clubs are usually going always make her mad, or never make her mad...depending on what kind of person you are dealing with (secure with herself or not).

thats my extensive experience/resulting opinoin..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 28, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
Just wait until y'all reach the age where "she" gives you money and tells you to go...  ;D ;D ;D  Again, hormonal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 28, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
cave2bens,

I reached that point with ex Mrs. SaintsFAN fairly early at 25 years old.   The courts took my literally at my word....ouch
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 28, 2008, 01:46:48 PM
If you have a woman, why would you need to go to a strip club? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 28, 2008, 02:38:39 PM
I think it would be a problem if you just went all the time by urself. see if your going with the guys and going to have some drinks and watch the girls dance, hey nothing wrong with that. but if your going by yourself and going into the back room and paying and receiving for more personal lap dances. then the woman has every right to get mad! i wouldnt want my woman with a D*** in her face from a male stripper
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 28, 2008, 03:50:49 PM
wow!~   has_been has been drinking the kool-aid.  You must be newly married (yes I know). 

Some reasons for going:

*blow off steam after stressful week at work
*bachelor parties for buddies
*great buffet spread at lunchtime
*just because you can....being a man (and like watching the athletically gifted)
*hang out with girls that won't give you any lip back if you aren't hanging on every word
*as cave2bens said: " she gives you money, and tells you to go"


haha....has_been....just busting your chops. 

Any other reasons out there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 28, 2008, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 28, 2008, 03:50:49 PM


 

Any other reasons out there?


1981 - and Eight Mile strip wasn't any safer than Eminem's film interpretation.

The laughs derived from a border agent at "the tunnel" asking the inevitable question, "You boys headed to The Ballet, eh? Six blocks up, take a right, and park in the first lot on your left for Jason's and half a block further for Cheetah's."

Lion's Den - just make sure said woman never attends a bachlorette party thrown for/by a bunch of disease intervention specialists at the Health Department  ;D ;)

Signed,

Current Spouse of STD/HIV guru
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 28, 2008, 05:11:41 PM
Lunchtime buffet!  Really SaintsFan?  I'd rather eat off the floor of my schools lunchroom. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2008, 06:39:28 PM
Yeah...I don't know if I would eat at a strip club...and I don't pass up food very often. There isn't anything wrong with going here and there. I've been 3 times and 2 of those were for Batchelor Parties. The other time, the Ol Lady came with me and paid for a lap dance by a chick wearing ass-less chaps. It was HOTT!!!

Personally, I think its too expensive and usually sit in the back of Diamonds drinking while the other guys "Make it Rain."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 29, 2008, 08:15:18 AM
OK, so I was kidding about the buffets.  Its kind of a joke we have going around here. 

Sayer, seriously?  ONLY 3 times?  wow....i must be some miscreant or something.  Seriously, I've always thought everyone just goes as much as they can.  Last time we went was a typical Saturday night.  Bars, then got bored and went to Deja.  Got home at 5am, I know the manager out there.  A friend of a friend, so we have good times.

In college, we had them come to us. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 29, 2008, 11:22:46 AM
In Defiance you would have to go over 40+ minutes or rely on the local talent.  I can honestly say I was a frequent visitor when I was single & fresh out of college. 
It also taught me an important lesson.  Don't date strippers!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 29, 2008, 12:36:39 PM
you mean, don't try to be serious with them...everyone should "date" one during their lifetime...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2008, 12:57:12 PM
Kevin, next time you decide to go, shoot me a message on facebook (not wall post as the Ol Lady reads those.

If I would have had more money through the years, I would have been to more...but that doesn't mean we didn't have any come to us  8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 29, 2008, 01:40:56 PM
Good point SaintsFan! 
Sayer- is facebook the new myspace?  I'm not even in my thirties & I am so behind w/ technology. ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 29, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
Its the same, has_been.  You can have one or the other. 
Its actually a good way to keep in touch with people that you havent' seen in a long time...


I have both....more of a myspacer though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
I used to have Myspace...till some former students looked me up and saw a pic of me flashing the Shocker from about 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 30, 2008, 07:44:47 AM
I'll say, I myself am long over due from some late night exotic entertainment.  Sayer you'll have to give me a call for this trip.  Or just wait for the bachlor party!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 30, 2008, 08:21:53 AM
Sayer: check this out, 7th grade math

http://www.deerparkcityschools.org/employment.aspx?id=20

What are you doing for the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 30, 2008, 12:22:13 PM
We should make it an HCAC night at Deja's! 

Sayer, hook it up. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 30, 2008, 03:13:56 PM
Why are we still talking about this? How about lets move on to a more reasonable subject like football in the HCAC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 30, 2008, 03:49:37 PM
Newbies..

the board ranges all topics, Pay attention sir.  You're guaranteed to learn something..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 30, 2008, 04:30:30 PM
I dont doubt the range in topics. but to talk about strip clubs over and over again is annoying. is anyone going to talk football on a football message board or do you have to wait til summer workouts to start doing that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 30, 2008, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 30, 2008, 03:49:37 PM
Newbies..

the board ranges all topics, Pay attention sir.  You're guaranteed to learn something..

Some are even old enough to remember "trolling" at the "LionessHarem" (along with Western College)  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 30, 2008, 07:19:34 PM
By using the word "trolling" gives it away about how old you are!  ;D 

I agree with LionsDen, lets talk about something else.  How about talking about ATM service charges at strip clubs?  Outrageous!!!  ;)
Seriously, what is everyones prediction for this upcoming holiday on Sunday?  I think the media is trying too hard to make this out to be a great game.  I know I could be wrong like I've been many times before, but I don't see how the Giants stand a chance.  New England's game plan will be completely different than what it was when the played in week 17.  So there can be no comparison to how NY did in that game.  I'm going to say New England will win by two TD's.

By the way, I know it isn't HCAC football LionsDen, but I hope it makes you happy.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2008, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: LionsDen on January 30, 2008, 04:30:30 PM
I dont doubt the range in topics. but to talk about strip clubs over and over again is annoying.

And kinda not family friendly. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 07:25:43 AM
haha..
seriously outrageous!

honestly, you usually have to wait until summer practice, Lionsden.  Unless we get some of the Franklin braggart wagon-riders from last year, this place will be boring until then.

Its mostly because some of us have met outside of here, but this board is pretty chill for the most part.

And you're right Pat, not family friendly.  Does that mean you are in?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 31, 2008, 08:06:47 AM
Oh, I'm sure Pat has a wild side!  Besides, I beat he doesn't spend all of his time in front of the computer on these chat boards  ;) ;)

I will say that the Giants really don't stand much of a chance.  But will say this.  If Manning can play smart ball the way he has through the playoffs then the defense will do their thing and pressure Tom Brady.  Then maybe, just maybe they can keep to a one score ball game.

I don't see NE covering the spread this week
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 31, 2008, 09:29:49 AM
I like the Giants getting 13 points too. But I am worried about giving Coach "B" two weeks to work on a scheme to shut them down.

Saints Fan, you know your not going to find to many Grizzlies around this time of year, by natures call they are all Hibernating. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 31, 2008, 10:07:36 AM
well i agree that giving coach B two weeks to prepare for New York is deadly. However with that said, The Giants have done something even the Patriots havnt done and that is win 10 Straight road games. NE only played 8 in regular season and NYG played their eight going 7-1 and winning the last three road playoff games. 10-0 in last 10. I guess the Giants are happy they have been designated the road team for the big dance!

Yeah the Patriots are 18-0 and one of the greatest teams of all time. But they are due for a slip up. They played the number 5 seed at home and the 3 seed at home. The Giants went on the road and beat the 4 seed, beat the 1 seed and beat the 2 seed. I think that is very impressive. Now can they win, we will see sunday. If Eli plays mistake free and the NYG can contain Moss/Welker and Maroney then i see an upset in the works. Granted i am not Plaxico but my prediction is similar. NYG 34 NE 27.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 31, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Lions: Then that means you will be more than happy to give me New England and six.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 31, 2008, 10:49:42 AM
The only way I can see it close is if NY can get pressure on Brady.  But if that happens New England will go to their dump off game which will just eat up the clock & NY.  New England would just have to completely break down in order to lose this game.  They can go long, short, or pound the ball through the middle.  Also, what about Stallworth, LionsDen?   
I still stand at NE by 14.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on January 31, 2008, 09:29:49 AM
Saints Fan, you know your not going to find to many Grizzlies around this time of year, by natures call they are all Hibernating. ;D

You're right Grizz....but you also have to agree, that should FC slip early on next year....the number of those posters will decrease sharply..


has_been,

14?!  I'll take it.  Giants +14 is easy street...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 31, 2008, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on January 31, 2008, 09:29:49 AM
Saints Fan, you know your not going to find to many Grizzlies around this time of year, by natures call they are all Hibernating. ;D

You're right Grizz....but you also have to agree, that should FC slip early on next year....the number of those posters will decrease sharply..

Can't argue with that, look what happened to the Hanover posters.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 12:25:25 PM
Yep...its been that way forever.  BUT, with the way the new Franklin guys came on, not counting yourself and victorybell, the reminded me of the rude-ass Hanover posts from a few years back. 

Some constants around here:

Defiance will always suck, I mean work hard (the sucking has been done by the Beavers---and I'm not referencing anything from before in ANY way)

Thomas More will never be in the HCAC as long as the old witch stays in power in Delhi. 

Manchester will always be called Manchester United for obvious reasons. 

Mount St. Joe will always have Sayer as a poster on here. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2008, 01:31:05 PM
Macke, I knew about that job a while ago. The 7th grade Math teacher had diabetes and died over Christmas Break. She was my cooperating teacher during student teaching. The Park also has 2 positions opening up in grades 5 and 6. If anyone is interested and has a teaching degree...knock yourselves out. I'm not interested.

About the Super Bowl.
1. I think the Giants do have a shot. They have the best DL in football and Strahand and Umenyiora can flat out get to the QB. They will have to for NY to win. Tom Brady isnt a moble QB and if the ankle thing is true, it will keep him in the pocket more. I do think NY has a chance but they have to play lights out on the D-front and get to Tom Brady. Even if they don't get the sack, continous hits and pressure can disrupt that passing game. If they can do this, they'll be able to drop 7 in coverage and cause some problems.
2. The new MSJ guy listed the teams NY beat on their way to the Super Bowl. That's irrelevant. The NFC is overall a weaker conference. The Packers and Cowboys, at the end of the year, wern't better than the Colts, Jaguars, or Patriots. Even the Chargers before the injuries were a very hot team winning their last 6 games and 10 of their last 12.

SaintsFan, one of these days Sayer will hopefully be a college man and when that day comes, I will no longer be a MSJ supported on D3football.com...just in telephone calls and interviews 8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 31, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 12:25:25 PM
Some constants around here:

Defiance will always suck, I mean work hard (the sucking has been done by the Beavers---and I'm not referencing anything from before in ANY way)

Thomas More will never be in the HCAC as long as the old witch stays in power in Delhi. 

I think it should say, Defiance will have their ups & downs having 4 winning seasons (HCAC championship in 01) & three losing seasons in the 2000's.

Thomas More a.k.a. SaintsFan will always be bitter that they never got into the HCAC for football.

Just my opinion.   ;D

On regards to the posters from other schools, it would be great to have them stay instead of come & go like they do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 02:34:08 PM
you're right, has_been....I'll be bitter UNTIL Thomas More gains acceptance into the HCAC.  I know the school isn't bitter....its in a better football conference now.  Period.  Lots of travel, but they like the PAC.  Travel would be a reason for a switch to the growing HCAC.  Now----One of our obstacles has retired....waiting on the other shoe to drop.

Sayer, I believe you...thats why you have no interest in teaching at the Park huh?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 31, 2008, 03:13:48 PM
I'm still confused why they brought in Trany & not TMC???  I know acceptance into the HCAC is not based upon football, but for TMC to be so close & have a football program like everyone else, it only makes sense.  Even though I always bring it up to try to mess w/ you.  I do agree w/ you completly for TMC to part of the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on January 31, 2008, 04:08:38 PM
you know stallworth is a great player but I dont think he frightens teams like moss and welker do. As for saying the Afc is better I agree with you but it doesnt matter when your on the road and in those conditions! They beat afc teams on the road as well and should of beat the patriots the first time! If Brady starts to feel uncomfortable back there and the giants force turnovers then they have to score 7 off turnovers unlike the chargers. Chargers had a hell of a shot but settled for 3 instead of 7. I'm still taking the underdog in this one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 31, 2008, 04:20:29 PM
LionsDen, that's my point about Stallworth.  Giants may not be focused on him allowing the Patriots to expose thier D.  Not much was thought about Welker in the beginning of the season & now he is considered a major threat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2008, 04:22:18 PM
agreed has_been...this stuff with Randy Moss talking about needing to catch the ball this Sunday after weeks of silence...its a trick.  He'll be a decoy because the Giants are going to focus on him...esp after the 17th week meeting they had.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 01, 2008, 08:54:05 AM
The Giants do have the ability to rush 4 and drop 7 and get pressure on TB. Even though Moss will be double covered through most the night (treated as a decoy), they still have 5 DB's to cover 4 receiving options. If the G-Men can't pressure TB with their 4 linemen, then they will have problems. Now you're blitzing LB's and DB's and have to play man to man or a very loose zone allowing TB to pick you apart.

The Patriots defense has shown their age as well. They have given up some points and I believe I heard on ESPN that if they win, they will have the highest ppg average of any Super Bowl winner.

The Giants will score because they have a damn good run game and a QB, who isn't great, but is starting to learn to manage a football game and can make a play or two. The key will be, can they pressure TB with 4 D-linemen? If they can't, and the Pat's O-line is winning the battle, NY will lose BIG...like 35-20 big. If the G-Men's D can get to TB, then I still think the Pats win, but its a great game...24-20.

Another factor in this game is psychological. It's very hard at every level to go undefeated. It's more likely for a team to have a let down during the season (week 10-16) than during the Super Bowl. You have too much to play for at this point to have a let down. If you look, The Pats had some very close games during those weeks against bad teams...but they still won. The 1985 Bears, lost once, during the same span of games. I can't see a scenario, other than a Nuclear War, where the '72 Dolphins will be cracking open any Champaign.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 01, 2008, 09:08:28 AM
I'm not interested in The Park's job because athletically, they are not committed to winning. They've had some good teams the last 2 years in Football and Basketball and just about any Male sport, but that is all due to 1 class of phenominal athletes. DP is a Division 5 school who had 20 seniors on the team...90% of whom played since Freshman year and are studs in other sports.

Before this class were juniors and seniors, Deer Park went 6 consecutive years without a winning record in football (dating back to the year after I graduated when they went 1-9). From the 1993 season-1999 (my senior year), Deer Park only had 1 losing season but no league championships. Put it this way, The Park has been playing in the CHL since 1981 and they have had ONE male sport win a team championship...THIS YEAR'S Basketball team.

I have a lot of animosity towards the way the Athletics are ran at DP. I tried to establish something in the wrestling program my last year their...a new attitude that winning is important. I yelled and carried on. Result, we had the best "wrestling team" in Deer Park history 4 CHL champs and 2 runner-ups. My result...I was fired for being "unprofessional" as they called it. Mediocrity is ok by them. The girls basketball coach has never been .500 yet he's been the coach for almost 10 years. No committment to winning...absolutely NONE!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2008, 07:58:14 PM
So far the Giants front 4 are getting the job done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on February 03, 2008, 11:14:54 PM
thank you very much! i guess i am a profit. i said the Giants would win and boom they did. front 4 got it done as did Eli. That play in the last 2 min where Eli escaped the sack and threw it up to tyre was probably the best play i have seen! thats pure heart! they deserved every bit of that win!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 04, 2008, 07:25:40 AM
 What a great weekend in the sports world!  Fights Saturday night down at Hooters, and then the Super bowl yesterday.

I wasn't to surprised that the G-men pulled it out.  They played well against the Pats in week 17, and then continued to carry that momentum through the playoffs.

I thought that was sweet how the players and coaches read the Declaration of Independence before the game.  Also the TV commercials weren't all that bad either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 04, 2008, 07:34:01 AM
profit: to make money or wealth in some measurable way.
prophet: not the same as making money or wealth in some measurable way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 04, 2008, 08:23:15 AM
Eli made some plays, but normally, you don't suggest to your QB to just throw it up and pray. He made some bad decisions but the Pats didn't make him pay for it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 04, 2008, 08:34:18 AM
Quoteyou don't suggest to your QB to just throw it up and pray

semed to work just fine for brady and moss this season on many occassions. how many times did you see brady throw the ball into traffic or just launch it and have moss or gaffney or even welker made a miraculous catch? you gotta have receivers who make plays. eli made plenty of great reads...playing a solid game on the biggest stage...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 04, 2008, 10:57:24 AM
I would like to say that I saw it coming last night....maybe not to that extent, I thought it would be a shootout, but none the less my life is a little bit more en-riched now because of the result. 

You know how the old saying goes...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 04, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 04, 2008, 10:57:24 AM
... but none the less my life is a little bit more en-riched now because of the result. 

You know how the old saying goes...

Yeah, "like don't change horses in the middle of the stream (or streak)?"  
Belichek never should have sacrificed his ratty, gray hoodie for the new, logo'd scarlet one.  We've seen the scarlet and gray sacrifices in recent, big games  >:( ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 04, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
Eli did ok...but he should have been picked 2 additional times not counting the fumbles...regardless, the fact that New England didn't make those big plays is the reason they lost. They had more than their fair share of opportunites.

I hate New England, but it would have been nice in 30 years to talk to my kids/grandkids about watching history and being able to claim I saw the greatest team in NFL history play.

A little history: The Pats are the third team in NFL history to go undefeated and lose their last game joinging the Bears, who did it twice. Someone look up the exact years but I think it was 1927 and 1943.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2008, 01:57:54 PM
Adam, it was 1942 and 1934 for the Bears.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 04, 2008, 02:03:21 PM
very nice, bens.  I thought the same thing when I saw him...then again, I was looking for anything to make me feel better about things once the game started.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 04, 2008, 03:40:10 PM
I can admit that I was completely wrong w/ my predictions on here.  I was at a house that was filled w/ people from Boston & I can say probably over half didn't make it to work today due to "headache.s" :D  I just tried to remind them that I am a Lions fan & things could be a lot worse.

What happened w/ Billichek at the end?  It looked like people were telling him there was sometime on the clock & he just ignored them shook hands at left the field. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 04, 2008, 03:50:32 PM
he's a poor sport, reality.  some are suggesting that he was in a state of shock (from not losing for a whole calendar year), though I believe it was another Belichek-ism (a gross interpretation/concern for rules)...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on February 04, 2008, 11:04:56 PM
It looks like Joe Austin hired his OC and DC although he is labelling them differently.  I still miss Coach Perry though...which seems to go against some of the sentiments on this board  ;)


Ross and Velasquez added to football coaching staff
Hanover College head football coach Joe Austin has added two new members to his staff. Tom Ross has joined the Panthers as associate head coach for defense. Roger Velasquez will serve as associate head coach for offense.

Ross comes to Hanover after serving the past two seasons as the head coach for the Stuttgart Scorpions in the German Football League. Under his guidance, the Scorpions posted a 20-6-1 record and led the German league's Southern Division in total offense, scoring offense, rushing, total defense and scoring defense.

He also served as Stuttgart's head coach in 2002 and was the team's defensive coordinator in 2001.

Ross previously served three stints at Augsburg College (Minn.). He was the Auggies' defensive coordinator in 2003 and 2004. He worked as Augsburg's special teams coordinator during the 1998 and 1999 seasons and also from 1983 through 1989. He was the team's defensive coordinator from 1992 to 1994 and was the program's offensive coordinator in 1991.

He additionally worked as special teams coordinator at Carleton College (Minn.) in 1997. He was defensive coordinator and strength and conditioning coach at St. Olaf College (Minn.) in 1995 and 1996.

Ross received a bachelor's degree from Augsburg in 1991.

Velasquez joins Hanover's staff after one season as defensive line coach at Concordia University (Minn.).  He had previously served as the Golden Bears' offensive line coach from 2002 to 2004.

Velasquez was offensive coordinator at Augsburg from 1992 to 1996 and was offensive coordinator for the Landsberg Express in the German Football League in 1999.

He also has experience as a defensive coach at the University of Saint Thomas (Minn.), offensive line coach at Minnesota State University and a variety of positions at Tartan High School (Minn.).

Velasquez earned a bachelor's degree from Concordia.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 05, 2008, 05:56:08 AM
I did some research a little while back regarding the possibility of playing in the GFL. Quite a few people who played for the Marshals and the Semi-Pro team played in NFL-Italy and said it was sweet playing in Europe. The thing with those progreams is they are only allowed to have 4-5 American players on their team. I don't remember the exact number but I know it's low. The rest have to come from Europe. It seemed to me like junior high football all over again...just with grown men. The other problem was, imagine this, the websites were written in Italian and German (BIG SHOCK). Though I took German as my foreign language in HS, I still couldn't read the site.

Thanks for the years on the Bear's seasons.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 05, 2008, 07:41:07 AM
i know a qb who played in europe. he loved it. said it was the most fun he ever had, even at frat parties. then he realized he was getting paid like 28k a year to throw a football and live on somebody's spare room. he decided to get a job and start planning toward his retirement. he did enjoy the football though. could have done it for a few more years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 05, 2008, 08:59:45 AM
my dude, Chris Wells, was an All-American LB for Thomas More...Tricksnaps, knows him from High School. 

Anyway he played in Norway in a league like you say.  Hadn't played offense (RB) since High School....he got over there...not only was he the defensive coordinator, but also played some RB, QB in addition to LB.  He said it was fun, but quickly realized also that he needed to get back to the states.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 10:24:01 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on January 18, 2008, 08:07:54 PM
word of advice...if you are sitting there with the wife getting an ultrasound and she is hoping for a Girl.  when you see your boy's junk on the screen the first thing out of your mouth should not be "sweet 3 more and we have an Oline"  i learned this the hard way today.  good news is we are having a boy again.

Has been i need to be in LA for a meeting on the 24th -26th of Feb  get ready
Congratulations on the boy!  :)

I am curious.  When the sonographer identified the male anatomy, did the sonographer place the calipers over the male member, measure that it was 6.3 mm long and then ask if it took after the ol' man?   :D 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 05, 2008, 10:26:01 AM
Quote from: tricksnaps56 on February 04, 2008, 11:04:56 PM
It looks like Joe Austin hired his OC and DC although he is labelling them differently.  I still miss Coach Perry though...which seems to go against some of the sentiments on this board  ;)


Ross and Velasquez added to football coaching staff
Hanover College head football coach Joe Austin has added two new members to his staff. Tom Ross has joined the Panthers as associate head coach for defense. Roger Velasquez will serve as associate head coach for offense.

Ross comes to Hanover after serving the past two seasons as the head coach for the Stuttgart Scorpions in the German Football League. Under his guidance, the Scorpions posted a 20-6-1 record and led the German league's Southern Division in total offense, scoring offense, rushing, total defense and scoring defense.

He also served as Stuttgart's head coach in 2002 and was the team's defensive coordinator in 2001.

Ross previously served three stints at Augsburg College (Minn.). He was the Auggies' defensive coordinator in 2003 and 2004. He worked as Augsburg's special teams coordinator during the 1998 and 1999 seasons and also from 1983 through 1989. He was the team's defensive coordinator from 1992 to 1994 and was the program's offensive coordinator in 1991.

He additionally worked as special teams coordinator at Carleton College (Minn.) in 1997. He was defensive coordinator and strength and conditioning coach at St. Olaf College (Minn.) in 1995 and 1996.

Ross received a bachelor's degree from Augsburg in 1991.

Velasquez joins Hanover's staff after one season as defensive line coach at Concordia University (Minn.).  He had previously served as the Golden Bears' offensive line coach from 2002 to 2004.

Velasquez was offensive coordinator at Augsburg from 1992 to 1996 and was offensive coordinator for the Landsberg Express in the German Football League in 1999.

He also has experience as a defensive coach at the University of Saint Thomas (Minn.), offensive line coach at Minnesota State University and a variety of positions at Tartan High School (Minn.).

Velasquez earned a bachelor's degree from Concordia.


Dubuque fan here wishing Joe Austin well.  He was a big part of turning around the Dubuque program with him as OC.  He has coached in the past at Concordia and Augsburg so it looks like he has kept in contact with old colleagues.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 05, 2008, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 10:24:01 AM
... measure...and then ask if it took after the ol' man?   :D 


"No...No... I was in the pool!  I was in the pool!  The water was cold!  No-o-o...!"

signed,

George Costanza
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 05, 2008, 02:06:10 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on February 05, 2008, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2008, 10:24:01 AM
... measure...and then ask if it took after the ol' man?   :D 


"No...No... I was in the pool!  I was in the pool!  The water was cold!  No-o-o...!"

signed,

George Costanza

EXACTLY
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 06, 2008, 06:14:51 AM
ESPN stated that Terrell Pryor has narrowed his choices down to 2 schools: Michigan and Ohio State.

I was listening to the radio yesterday morning and a resport came on about a lady who put her baby in a microwave...the lawyer's defense strategy...SHE WAS TOO DRUNK to know what she was doing! WOW!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 06, 2008, 09:24:09 AM
Sayer,

AND the lawyer is saying that OTHER PEOPLE HAD ACCESS to the baby and THUS could have saved her (meaning she's not the only one responsible even though she CALLED her boyfriend to let him know what she was doing because he was "cheating on her").  There are questions as to whether this is that boyfriend's child...

only in Dayton (right DC70?)


Did Pryor cancel his visit to Oregon for this week?  I heard UM and THE Ohio State U are  worried about him seeing the facilities there and being in an offense where the system has been in place for some time (this could rule out Michigan).  Either way, if he chooses either of those two Big 10 schools....he's going to be the starter right away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 06, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Last I heard Pryor is not going to sign today.  I think he is openning up his options again to Penn St. & Oregon too.
I say that Oregon's facilities are awesome.  Not bad when you have Nike handing money over to you.

ON regards to the woman who microwaved her baby, I think there should be some kind of test people have to pass in order to keep their children.  If they are unfit then take the kids away.  If they can do it to Britney Spears, why not the rest of the country?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 06, 2008, 04:30:48 PM
Sayer,

Check your email.  I got an invite for you.

Also, email me what you decided to do...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 07, 2008, 10:13:41 AM
A TEST for people to keep children.

There should be a Test for people to pass just to have Children!

Trust me I know because I teach these people.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on February 07, 2008, 12:21:16 PM
Mentioned this in the OAC page because one of the kids is attending an OAC school but Dayton Daily News reports that 5 Dunbar HS seniors have signed letters of intent to play D-III ball.  2 are heading to Thomas More and 2 are headed to Bluffton (in addition to 1 on his way to Muskingum).  Dunbar's a city league school that went 5-5 last year and I hope these kids work out well for their respective schools this fall.  I don't know much about their skills or accomplishments but I am happy they're trying to better themselves as D-III student athletes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 07, 2008, 12:42:14 PM
I thought in DIII that you didn't have to sign a letter of intent.  Instead you just enrolled to the the school and joined the team and commited yourself to one's program.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 07, 2008, 12:55:21 PM
Macke...thats what you get for teaching at Harrison.

The radio didn't say there were other people there who could have stopped her. Regardless, this chick should be drug around by her ankles by a couple of horses through a briar patch and left in the middle of a desert. Or I know something a lot worse...lock her and Dr. Phil together in a rubber room.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 07, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: M and L on February 07, 2008, 12:42:14 PM
I thought i DIII that you didn't signed letter of intent.  Instead you just enrolled to the the school and joined the team and commited yourself to one's program.

The letter of intent that was signed for our son was a check to the school. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on February 07, 2008, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on February 07, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: M and L on February 07, 2008, 12:42:14 PM
I thought i DIII that you didn't signed letter of intent.  Instead you just enrolled to the the school and joined the team and commited yourself to one's program.

The letter of intent that was signed for our son was a check to the school. ;D

Yes indeed.  My letter of intent is still being paid off.  I think you can still sign letters of intent for Division III but it's more a "feel good" move than a necessary one.  This school had ten kids sign yesterday but they were almost all for Division II, III and NAIA schools.  But it got the program and kids some attention and recognition.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2008, 11:15:05 PM
You can't sign an LOI for D-III, actually. Any such stunt (and that's what it is, a publicity stunt) is solely put on by the high school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 08, 2008, 12:05:03 AM
I'm just excited that my letter of intent is almost paid off.  Just 16 more months!!!  Anyways, regardless of the kids signing for publicity it still probably made the kids feel good about their futures to play football & get a great education.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 08, 2008, 07:42:07 AM
A lot of times, high school coaches do the whole paper signing thing and take pics to put on the wall. They tell people "we had 6 guys get scholarships last year." When you go "You know D3 can't give scholarships right??" Then the coach goes, "well, they worked it out somehow."

Pat is right, it is usually some stunt by some dueche high school coach who is trying to make himself look better. The actual LOI have to be downloaded off of a website with your administrator's password (http://www.national-letter.org) and has to be filled out either via type writer or on the administrator's website. DI, DIAA, D2 give out LOI. You can't say NAIA, because they aren't NCAA. There is actually a NJCAA LOI that covers the particulars because they kids need protected from the JC coaches. Bush league programs that lose kids papers and say "we don't know who you are." All this after a kid played 1 year for him. Make sure you get the copy people!!! One copy for you to save and cherish, and to keep your butt safe against the corrupt coaches looking for an edge.

Has anybody seen that kid on TV pic CAL? He never was even offered a scholarship by either school! I think it is one of the funniest, ballsiest, most classic pranks of all-time. I would give him a full-ride just for having the balls to do that with a straight face. Congrats to him.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 08, 2008, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2008, 11:15:05 PM
You can't sign an LOI for D-III, actually. Any such stunt (and that's what it is, a publicity stunt) is solely put on by the high school.

Pat:

To your knowledge, is there a stipulation in the NCAA Manual that states specifically that one "can't sign a LOI for DIII?"  In the purest sense, you are correct.  However, actually, one can (and I'm playing semantics, here, ;)) - one's so-called "letter of intent" to a DIII school is when one signs the acceptance letter to the school's admissions acceptance letter and including the "down-payment" to hold one's slot for matriculation, in addition to sending the coach a letter and informing him that you are accepting admissions offer (and his offer to be on the team).  The difference is, as we all know, that there is no $ involved for the actual athletics portion (not including the financial aid for need and/or academics) AND the fact that this tentative acceptance is "non-binding" other than one usually loses their deposit if they latter change their mind and decide not to attend that school.

Also, as far as public announcements for "signings", I see no problem with a h.s. coach promoting and announcing publically that he has football players that have been recruited and decided to go to DIII schools and if that is on the other "national signing" days as promoted by the other level schools that do offer grant-in-aids, that in reality doesn't matter, nor should it.  I do, however, agree with you if that involved an actual simulated signing i.e. actually signing a piece of paper for DIII in a public forum, that is being misleading, and a coach who tried to promote that as an actual signing is being disingenuous (and/or perhaps publicity seeking as you and others have said).  IMO, there is a big difference between that and simply announcing that a kid has been recruited and chosen to attend a DIII school and play football.  The latte situation is one that should be recognized and does have merit for all the reasons all of us who believe in and support DIII athletics already know.  Just MO ;)   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 10, 2008, 08:36:38 PM
Macke, you didn't miss much up in Dublin. The tournament had a horrible format. We had 3 guys who lost once, but placed 5th due to the way it was set up. Plus, there were only 16 teams and the competition wasn't half as good as Centerville. Wasn't truely an "All State" tournament. We had 8 wrestlers and finished 7th out of 16...not too bad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 11, 2008, 08:18:59 AM
what was it, some kind of Rat tail where you follow the leader?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on February 11, 2008, 08:23:04 AM
I've been told that Hanover is getting a long overdue field upgrade.  Finally, field turf at LS Ayres field!  Its supposed to be ready by next season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 11, 2008, 08:43:13 AM
so is franklin. leonard wanted to be able to tell recruits that with their playoff team, great tail gating, they'll also have a great surface to play on. i commend franklin's AD, Kerry Prather, for getting on board and helping to finalize the deal.

Grizzly Ball on Field Turf next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
They had 4 pools of 4 wrestlers. The winners of each pool wrestled each other in the "Semis." The winners of those wrestled for 1st, the losers wrestled for 3rd. The runner ups in each pool did the same thing, but the best a runner up could do was 5th as they didn't regroup the losers from the "semis" in consolation like they normally do in a tournament.

Our 152 was the number 1 seed, got beat in OT by a kid from Solon and placed 5th below 2 kids he had already dismantled earlier in the year but didn't have a chance to wrestle because they were in different pools and won their pool. Make sense??? Probably not. Anyway, I saw your brother placed 4th at the CHL Tournament. He had some decent wrestlers there in his weigt class.

About the field turf. Once we got ours at MSJ, I predicted within 10 years, every college would have it and probably 90% of all high schools in the country who could afford it would have it. In the long run it saves so much money in maintence and upkeep its almost stupid not to switch.

In Cincinnati, I'm willing to say about 60% of all High Schools have it....but I know once school who will never...Taylor HS...whose one endzone corner goes 5 feet up a hill.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 11, 2008, 12:17:16 PM
Thomas More will have it too...at Bank of Kentucky field.

And not a moment too soon if you ask me...now we don't have to worry about having MSJ guys water down our field (hoping for mud) on the weeks of the Bridge Bowl.

When Defiance and Bluffton get it...we will be at the 'saturation' point for field turf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2008, 02:17:29 PM
Kevin...you trying to say we watched Bull Durham one too many times ??????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 11, 2008, 02:54:57 PM
Hey,  Leave little old Taylor HS out of this.  Yes you are right they will never see turf in Cleves, but last year a Corperation was talking about splitting the bill with the District for naming rights.  But they couldn't come up with the money.

Go figure
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 11, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
Hey, I heard some crazy a$$ rumer that Hilvert was leaving TMC for Elder.  As far as I know Ramsey isn't going any where any time soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 11, 2008, 04:35:35 PM
preposterous drivel! 

thats probably being perpetuated by people during the recruiting battle of MSJ and TMC. 

I haven't heard it...but Cincinnati is a town built on rumors..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2008, 05:25:01 PM
Like the rumor that I go by the name of Big D!ck Daddy of Cincinnati on the weekend nights and have banged enough women to make Wilt Chamberlin jealous.

Wait a minute...that's all true  8)  8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 11, 2008, 05:27:24 PM
Absoulty

What benefit would he get out of leaving TMC for teaching and coaching at Elder when he has such a good thing going on at TMC with new ball field going up and his own college program where he gets to focous on f-ball 24/7.

Plus he lives in Kensucky   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 11, 2008, 05:28:20 PM
Sayer, thats no rumor. 

Thats just your Legacy
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on February 11, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
I dont really understand why Hilvert would leave TMC either. The New stadium is supposed to be top of the line and its only in Phase 1. Their are still more and more upgrades going toward the stadium year in year out. New Locker rooms etc.. I think its just a rumor but only time will tell. How did MSJ and TMC do recruiting? Anyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 12, 2008, 08:07:34 AM
from what I have heard, Sayer, you forgot to include the word "lickin' " in your name....THATs the word on the streets
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 12, 2008, 01:48:46 PM
But the biggest thing in Cincinnati, in football sense, is High School football. I heard someone, who was not from Cincinnati, comment once that he was asked where he went to school and instinctively said where he went to college. The person told him he didn't give a sh!t where he went to college, he wanted to know where he went to High School. High School sports in and around the I-275 loop are a big deal and to some, running your own DI HS team may be a bigger deal than running your own D3 program...especially if its where you went to school.

I remember Mark Dantonio begging people to come out to watch UC during a Nationally televised game on a Friday night. I think they got around 10-13,000 people and the game was against a good team...Louisville maybe? Regardless, just the GCL South teams draw more than that combined on a Friday night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 12, 2008, 02:23:39 PM
Adam,

I think Coach Kelly at UC has changed that thinking a bit...in recruiting the Cincy kids to UC and fighting battles in the media to get fans down there.  They sold out 3 night games down there. 

I think HS football is still strong in Cincy, but clearly the NCAA scene is getting better and drawing some attention.

That said, I can understand the pull of Elder for Hilvert.  I just dont' think its happening right now. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 12, 2008, 08:00:53 PM
I dont think any of those sellouts were on a Friday night though. HS will always be bigger here than college. Elder-Highlands about 6-7 years ago drew something like 30,000 people to Paul Brown. The Elder-Colerain and Princeton-St. X playoff games at PBS in 2002 drew over 50,000 combined.

I'm thinking about joining the new Double Stuffed League and compete against Peyton and Eli. I can lick an Oreo cookie with the best of them.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 13, 2008, 10:02:18 AM
I played in both of those games, ah the memories...

Although Adam, If Kelly keeps building a big local college program the way he is.  We just might see the day we college ball becomes bigger then HS ball.

This City really has never had big time DI program to root for locally so why go see a HS game with the rich tradition that some of these high schools have like the GCL.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 13, 2008, 10:10:10 AM
yep and all Kelly needs to do is hire some guy by the name of SaintsFAN to be the QB's coach and everything will be all good in the 'Nati. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 13, 2008, 10:15:50 AM
It's a low-blow, but as the QB coach, you could sign on to teach Marriage 101 as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 13, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
haha...thats my calling. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 13, 2008, 07:03:17 PM
I'm getting married in may, where do I register?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 13, 2008, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: M and L on February 13, 2008, 07:03:17 PM
I'm getting married in may, where do I register?

Her - Tiffany, Nordstrom's, Sak's Fifth Avenue

M and L    1) www.dickssportinggoods.com
               2) www.ratebeer.com
               3) www.legalzoom.com   ;D ;D ;D

"Wilkommen, Bienvenue, Come On In... A wed wose, how womantic..."  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 13, 2008, 08:46:54 PM
This should replace the D3football front page...since the current one has been up for a month.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blackhistory2008/news/story?id=3242729
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 14, 2008, 08:07:39 AM
M&L,

I missed out on the wonderful experience of going to register (she took her mom instead--because I refused to go).   But, I know that we were registered at places like Target, Pier 1, Macy's and a few others. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 14, 2008, 08:18:20 AM
Don't forget Bed, Bath and Beyond if there is one in your area.

I just had to make my 100 post.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 14, 2008, 09:15:32 AM
And you made it on Bed Bath and Beyond!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 14, 2008, 01:30:54 PM
Macke most people register at Macy's and/or Target. Usually a department store like the previously mentioned who have home decor items and assessories.

As a man, I would register somewhere like Bass Pro, Sears, Home Depot, etc.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 14, 2008, 01:46:42 PM
I am thankful that I didn't have to really handle all the registering.  My wife registered us at Macy's, Bed Bath & Beyond, & Crate & Barrel.  One other one was honeymoney.com I think it was, where people could buy you little activities for your honeymoon. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 14, 2008, 02:22:25 PM
Jocularity aside, Ms. cave2bens II (an eminently practical woman - except for choosing me...) selected a very nice, boutique hardware amid the Williams Sonoma-Nordstrom's tack so we'd acquire some necessary gardening and hardware implements.  Eleven years later the silver chafing dishes are still boxed, but rakes, hedge clippers, and saws have acquired a beautiful patena.  ;)   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 14, 2008, 02:44:30 PM
I do like power tools and things that go vroom vroom
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 14, 2008, 03:18:26 PM
Stay out of your ladies nightstand then, M and L  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 14, 2008, 04:42:24 PM
Experientia docet, BP?  And will the guv's new green initiatives eliminate the 12V, turbocharger?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 14, 2008, 07:52:28 PM
At first they tell you its to make things more "interesting" in your love-life...next thing you know you haven't had any in 8 months. And knowing M & L's Ol Lady...she definately wears the pants and makes sure Jim follows the rules.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 15, 2008, 07:58:43 AM
adam,

its simple, you just have to outperform it in the beginning. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 16, 2008, 06:51:40 PM
I tried...but the D batteries I kept using didn't work...just made me constipated  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 16, 2008, 07:18:27 PM
1. Tri-weekly
2. Try Weekly
3. Try Weakly
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 16, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
I always love how this group can go any direction! :D  I hope this isn't upsetting LionsDen or Pat.   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on February 16, 2008, 09:16:40 PM
not upsetting, just wish we could talk some football but i am new and understand you guys know eachother so...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 18, 2008, 10:58:53 AM
agreed, has_been.

hey, btw, did you get over to Riviera this weekend?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 18, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on February 13, 2008, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: M and L on February 13, 2008, 07:03:17 PM
I'm getting married in may, where do I register?

Her - Tiffany, Nordstrom's, Sak's Fifth Avenue

M and L    1) www.dickssportinggoods.com
               2) www.ratebeer.com
               3) www.legalzoom.com   ;D ;D ;D

"Wilkommen, Bienvenue, Come On In... A wed wose, how womantic..."  ;)


oh and btw, M&L.  Pay attention to the website for dick's sporting goods.  I had a boss one time that wanted to find a driver online and then came back to my desk with a look of utter disgust....and told me that Dicks website is NOT 'dicks.com'.....hilarious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 18, 2008, 06:51:09 PM
That's funny. We had a librarian in HS, when the Internet was just becoming big (1997 or 1998) told us to be careful because she looked up a website for cherry pie and found out that typing cherry into the old-school search engines produced different websites than she wanted to view.

Pryor mentioned on rivals.com that prior to the Feb 6 signing day, he was set to sign with Ohio State and his dad convinced him to take a look at Penn State. On the OSU-Michigan note, Rich Rodriquez addressed Michigan fans at the OSU-Michigan basketball game and when he was introduced, a group of OSU fans sitting in the nosebleeds were cheering him. He wasn't too thrilled.

I'll be in San Diego from July 3-7 and San Francisco from July 7-12.  My buddy's planning something for the 4th, but those of you who do live or vacation frequently in SD, what kind of stuff is there for fun (i.e. restaurants, nightclubs, fishing, etc.)?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 18, 2008, 07:05:09 PM
It will be interesting to see what U of M does w/ no qb for next year.  They'll have to convert one of their WR's to QB to run the spread. 
On regards to San Diego you should hit up the gaslamp area which has tons of restaurants & bars to visit. 
SaintsFan wasn't the Riviera in Vegas? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2008, 08:39:51 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on February 13, 2008, 08:46:54 PM
This should replace the D3football front page...since the current one has been up for a month.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blackhistory2008/news/story?id=3242729

Uhm, front page stories were posted on Jan. 29, Feb. 1, Feb. 11 before your post, then again on Feb. 13 and Feb. 15.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 19, 2008, 09:27:49 AM
Definitely gaslamp if you are staying in the SD area for the 4th.  If you venture up to LA County at all, I definitely recommend the bars on the strand at Hermosa Beach Pier.  Has_been, this is where we went after Thomas More played at Chapman. 

Riviera Country Club off of Sunset in Los Angeles....for the PGA golf.  I want to come play there this year. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 19, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
SaintsFan- that shows you how much I know about golf ;D  I did watch The Legend of Bagger Vance though!  Just let me know when ever you hit up the LA area. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 19, 2008, 12:02:13 PM
wow....has_been....thats amazing. 

No problem.  Hopefully its here pretty soon.  I need to see some of the produce shippers of Bakersfield and also the  Fallbrook/Temecula area....so it would be for a full week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 19, 2008, 03:44:06 PM
Pat, I must have missed them then. I checked the day I posted that but the front page headliner was a coaching change.

I'll mention it to my buddy about the Gaslamp area. I'm sure he has some know-how. He's been living there for 3 years but I'm a little more different in my likes. I like my fishing and a little "culture" when I travel.

If Pryor doesn't commit to Michigan, it will be interesting. Rodriquez made it evident at the game he wasn't going to make any "predictions" for next like like Tressel did when he was hired. A buddy I teach with told me the Pryor kid is like Clarrett in regards to trouble. He's got a lot of baggage or as my buddy said, he's dirty. I haven't heard anything about it, then again, I haven't listened either.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 19, 2008, 04:20:23 PM
Sayer you can find alot of culture & fishing too in San Diego.  I personally enjoy freshwater fishing & have found several spots within an hour of Los Angeles.  I can only expect the same in the San Diego area.  If you really are into culture, then there is always TJ!!!
A lot of these 5 star recuits have a lot of baggage.  They get to live like kings because of their talent & get away w/ half the stuff they do. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 19, 2008, 08:40:50 PM
About a year ago I posted this link to youtube about Dustin Carter, Hillsboro's 103 ppound wrestler. Anyway, he's something like 35-1 this year and is ranked 9th in the state of Ohio, DII. If you didn't get a chance to see it, watch it. It's pretty cool but a little long. The guy training him is a Deer Park graduate who trains a lot of Moeller's wrestlers in the off season. If you watch the whole thing through, you see he wants to go to a small DIII/DII school to wrestle. MSJ has a wrestling team and is relatively close. He may be there next year. The quote I have at the bottom of my posts really hits the spot here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooQKUYQ_WgQ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 20, 2008, 10:04:51 AM
gas lamp is great.  you can also check out mission beach for some night life.  TJ is nasty as hell get a tetnis shot before you cross the border.

i thought i made pretty good money but i just got back from Monaco (better known as Monte Carlo with the formula 1 grad prix) and now i know the difference between money, FU money, and can have people dissapear money.  sitting in front of casino monte carlo (where james bond would gamble) every day was a line of bently's ferrari's lamborghini's, rolls royce's, and astin martin and even a Buglati (doubt its spelled correctly but goes for over $1m and made the lambo's look like pintos).

i have seen nice rides before but those made up 50% of the cars on the streets.  what really through me off was a draft heinekin at the hotle bar was 11euros which is about $17.  we want to a club and found out it was bottle only where the cheapest was stoili vodka and 550 euros or $900.  the place was packed...i did not stay!!  for comparison Pure in Ceasers las vegas is one of the most expensive clubs in vegas same bottle is $350-$400.

thank god for Ohio and our $1 Natty Lights at the bars
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 20, 2008, 11:14:55 AM
Sounds like I should get a teaching job there with that cost of living.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on February 20, 2008, 12:46:07 PM
Are we going to get back to talking football in the HCAC anytime soon?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 20, 2008, 01:37:13 PM
LionsDen- probably not until camp nears, but if you have something to contribute then go for it & get the ball rolling.  I'm sure if it is something of interest everyone will jump on it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 20, 2008, 02:20:59 PM
70,

I can NOT picture a Defiance guy hangin out in Monacco.  WOW.  Hope your wallet recovers...

and YES....TJ is a GREAT time.  Make sure you go there with people you trust...and don't get caught alone down there.  That is when the bad things can happen to you....like getting locked up for no reason.

Lionsden,

Hang in there...not much to talk about right now as far as HCAC goes.  We could talk about the recruiting classes each school has signed, but no letters of intent for D3. 

Did you see MSJ's new recruiting video?

SAYER,

Call me tonight about Saturday's going ons for the Hall of Fame deal at Thomas More.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 20, 2008, 02:59:13 PM
A guy in Monacco from Defiance is as common as a guy from TMC wearing shoes to go....anywhere. ;)
One thing I can say about next year for DC, is what is Vetter going to do w/o Dillon?  DC should have a solid run game, but passing will be interesting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 20, 2008, 04:47:16 PM
here's a tidbit on Dillon (and your HCAC football reference for Lionsden)

He's training for the NFL tryouts at Wall to Wall in Mason, OH with Brian Brohm from Louisville, Nakamura from Cincinnati, and a few other draft day hopefuls. 

I remember seeing him on the list from the Enquirer last weekend...they did a story on their training. 


most TMC guys own shoes, has_been.... and no we AREN'T crooks like those guys your coaches recruited from Miami (like the RB that got in some trouble and left DC)

Haha...I can picture DC guys driving Monte Carlos, but not being there... ;)  ZING!

Speaking of FL...where is beachbum?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on February 20, 2008, 05:36:05 PM
No i didnt see MSJ new recruiting video, do you have a link?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 20, 2008, 06:37:15 PM
Which one SaintsFan?  I can recall a few who got in some legal troubles while I was at DC (not all from Miami though).  Nice comeback too! :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 20, 2008, 08:21:12 PM
Kevin, I forgot about the HOF. The Ol Lady is getting surgery on her back tomorrow (she found out Monday so it was a quick thing). I won't be able to really see her until I finish with the clinic on Saturday. I can't stay home from school tomorrow cause I'm being observed for PRAXIS III, I have evening classes Thursday night, school Friday, doctor appointment and clinic Friday night, and clinic all day Saturday. So I will be staying with her on Saturday when I get done. Wish I could be there cause I really don't feel like dealing with an in-pain woman on the rag...but being the good boyfriend that I am, I have to..plus her parents are here and I don't think I would make friends by getting trashed while she's laid up.

Dorf did the combine and even had great workouts with teams after the draft...and still didn't get drafted. 6'5", 40+ inch verticle and great hands don't always mean NFL Receiver. I think he even ran a 4.4 at the combine. He had all the numbers...only problem, he played DIII and no one wanted to take a chance. At the Bengals camp, he caught EVERY pass that was thrown to him...didn't drop one....no dice. I wish Dillon all the luck in the world but if he's getting his hopes up, more than likely he'll be in for a hard fall.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 20, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
And I think MSJ removed the video clip off youtube. I haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 20, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
my wallet recovered real fast...i won a little over 4 grand US at the Casino which made the booze more expemsive cause everyone made me pick up the rounds.  did i mention that sheryl crow played our dinner on the last night.  she is hot.  you gotta love a sales job.  next year is cancun

vetter wil be ok...he still has plenty of db's to throw it to!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 21, 2008, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 20, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
vetter wil be ok...he still has plenty of db's to throw it to!!

haha

Sayer,

Thats cool...snag me a few to make up for it though.   ;)

has_been,

we had a couple too, but they were never made aware to the coaching staff.  I was talking about the Hooker (the RB, not the companion) deal. 

Lionsden,

The video is a joke....its not really a MSJ thing, I just found it and thought it was funny awhile back.  If you still want to see what everyone else saw...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IsSVEO9CrM
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 21, 2008, 08:13:31 AM
ah, there is no day like a snow day!!

What is going on at TMC with this HOF stuff?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
That is one downfall to teaching in Los Angeles, there are no snow days!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 21, 2008, 10:55:29 AM
But teaching at an inner city LA school probably pays $50-$60,000 or more  starting out, with 30 year retirees making around $120-$150,000. I could live off that...I'm doing a darn good job as is making in a year what Has_Been makes in a week.

The PRAXIS III observation is over...I'm a little nervous about the results of the actual in-class observation as my lesson didn't go as planned and I ran out of time...which led to me not being able to formally conclude the lesson. But I know I aced the pre and post interviews.

Macke, John Paul is being inducted into TMC's Hall of Fame on Saturday. He's also being inducted into Purcell's which is also this weekend (Friday or Saturday).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 21, 2008, 12:32:44 PM
yep....John Paul AND Will Castleberry are being inducted. 

I heard a rumor that Will has invited the entire coaching staff and players from the 1997 Bluffton Beaver team that gave up his 321 yards on 52 carries in the game that year.  17 starters were suspended that day and Bluffton didn't know this until the third quarter.  By then it was too late.  We had another TB run for 160 yards also in the 38-14 win. 

Will was National Player of the week for that effort, as a true freshman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2008, 01:26:54 PM
Teachers start at $45,000 out here, but have many opportunities to make much more than that.  I am in my 6th year and am at the top of the payscale, plus I teach Saturday school, tutor on Mondays & Wednesday too.  Now that puts me well over $60,000, but don't forget about the cost of living out here.  Living in Encino in a regular suburb & two to three bedroom homes, one story are going for $700,000 plus. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 21, 2008, 01:41:01 PM
Encino Man!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2008, 01:57:06 PM
I'm still looking for Brendan Fraizer underneath my pool, but no such luck ;). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on February 21, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
That video was a joke haha. Price hill girls! you gotta be kidding me. Classic though. Classic...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 21, 2008, 04:49:09 PM
"LionsDen"  where I have I heard that name before?

Isn't that some kind of store somewhere off of I 71?

;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 22, 2008, 08:35:35 AM
M&L,

Come on....you haven't just HEARD of it...have you?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on February 22, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Hey Fellas!

Here's a few HCAC football tidbits!

I was in Defiance for the BB game last weekend and got a little info about the DC Football Program. 

-Mr. Dillion is definitely thinking he has a pretty good shot at the NFL, he quit school and hasn't finished his degree.

-Mr. Vetter doesn't have to worry about who he will be throwing to, as he has left school also!

Sounds like it could be an interesting few months leading up to camp.  If I am not mistaken, DC didn't even have a young QB who got experience last fall.  So not only do they have to make up the production that Dillion provided, but also all that Vetter gave. 

Hopefully I can start posting a little more often and get into the mix!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 22, 2008, 01:16:42 PM
Thanks for the info Jackets18!  You wouldn't be a QB from 98-01 would you? 

Anyways, hopefully whatever happens w/ Dillon I hope he still finds a way to finish his degree.  It would be very stupid of him not to.  I am also curious on why Vetter would leave w/ only one year left.  Hopefully he will continue his education too.

I guess DC will have to rely on one of the backups to step up just like the one I knew from 98-01 who once was something like the 6th string qb at one point, or they will need someone to transfer in, or even a freshman.  Anyhow it could be for the best.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on February 23, 2008, 10:02:55 AM
Hey Has_been!

That'd be me!  I always keep up with the conversation on here, but never really get involved, but I thought I would start!  I definitely remember those 6th string time in life. 

I agree that it would be a shame if Dillion doesn't get his degree one way or another.  Time will tell I guess.   I have no idea about why vetter left, but I was told by a pretty good source, so unless he is planning to reenroll in the fall it is going to be an interesting story to follow.  Hopefully they can/have gotten a crop of good young QB's.  They should have been focusing there as Hans was going to be a Senior anyway. 

It is good to be able to talk a little football!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 23, 2008, 04:26:30 PM
Dillon will be invited to camps, there's almost no doubt about that, but actually making the roster....that's a different story. It wouldn't suprise me if he ended up playing indoors but the NFL may be a major stretch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 23, 2008, 04:38:33 PM
Just finished with the Glazier Clinic. I saw Mike Emendorfer (a name many HCAC coaches will recognize) speak. He was the Hanover OC back in the 90's and is now the head coach at UW-Platteville. He spoke on the zone run game from the spread and didn't provide much new info. He did help me recount some stuff I forgot about.

I also got a chance to see the O-Line coach from Penn State, who may possibly be the funniest speaker I have ever heard...next to Alex Gibbs, whose every other word was F@ck. He talked a lot about the Power and running the Power with the QB.

UK's O-line coach wasn't a very good speaker. He had a strong southern accent and it was hard to understand him and he wasn't very energetic. He also stated numerous times, he likes his O-linemen to hit you in the V of the neck when they pull...as opposed to getting under your shoulder pads. He played for Bobby Bowden as a RB/LB and coached for him as an O-line coach, but I didn't really agree with what he was teaching.

The last coach I saw was Louisville Trinity's OC. He spoke on the play action passing game off the zone. It wasn't nothing crazy or spectatcular, but it was good stuff. I saw quite a bit of stuff I liked. He was also well-educated on the game of football and his plays and reads were similar to what you would see from a DI/NFL coach.

For those interested, the O-Line clinic is May 16 and 17 at the Millenium Hotel in Downtown Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 23, 2008, 10:37:08 PM
Sayer:

Have you seen the lineup for the clinic this year, i was just looking at the website and it is quite the lineup.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 24, 2008, 03:02:55 PM
jacket18,

dc has had no qb since you were there.

Sayer,

i was at the hc qb camp when emendorfer was oc there in 1993...guy knew his offense.

as i said earlier this week....will castleberry and jp case were inducted last night.  i got to sit at a table with coach schlager, who recruited me to tmc.   They both did well with their speeches. 

story that i was reminded of and u guys might appreciate;
will castleberry was doing NOTHING in june of 1997....coach schlager saw him atan allstar game and asked him where he was headed in the fall...figuring he was MAC bound, you can understand his shock when will said nowhere yet.  they took him to campus that day w schlager taking him in his car and another coach bringing him home that night.  he was impressed by the family atmosphere as well as the rides.  coach told us that year days b4 camp....that our starting rb was going to b a fresman and not stud dan calhoun.  we didnt see that coming (how good will was).  he started out as 4th string rb....two scrimmages later he was #2...and the rest is history... including the 52 carry 321 yd bluffton game that year with 18 guys suspended the night before the game.  bc had no idea what hit them...i threw only 4 passes that day....all in 2nd half (it was my first start)

ps...millenium is a chit-hole.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DIII Fan on February 24, 2008, 03:35:51 PM
Hanover to get new turf.....Story from Hanover website


http://www.hanover.edu/athletics/men/football/

Also, story of major state award to Coach Perry
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 25, 2008, 09:50:59 AM
Coach Perry deserves any award he gets. I'm as fond of him as an aracnophobic is of spiders, but he was a great coach for a long time.

JP should of done a good job speaking. He got plenty of practice Thursday night at Purcell...which from what I was told, included a whole night of stories about beating up Moeller...physically and literally :)

I saw the clinic line-up and it is impressive. They stated that it may be the best they've ever had. I'd encourage anyone who is interested to take a look.

www.thecoolclinic.com
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 25, 2008, 12:46:49 PM
Yeah, guys were giving him a hard time about being on "tour" with his two Hall of Fame Inductions in one week.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 25, 2008, 02:34:26 PM
DC has enough talent coming back to compete, but they will have to fill some major holes in the WR spot.  If Vetter comes back that's good, but I would like to see someone else step up.  DC is still loaded at the RB spot & have a decent offensive line returning too. 
On the defensive end they loss some strong players, but DC has always done a good job filling those holes & have a strong defense. 
Overall, I see DC doing much better than 5-5, but they will really have to step it up to compete with Franklin & MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 25, 2008, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: decision08 on February 25, 2008, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Jacket18 on February 22, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Hey Fellas!

Here's a few HCAC football tidbits!

I was in Defiance for the BB game last weekend and got a little info about the DC Football Program. 

-Mr. Dillion is definitely thinking he has a pretty good shot at the NFL, he quit school and hasn't finished his degree.

-Mr. Vetter doesn't have to worry about who he will be throwing to, as he has left school also!

Sounds like it could be an interesting few months leading up to camp.  If I am not mistaken, DC didn't even have a young QB who got experience last fall.  So not only do they have to make up the production that Dillion provided, but also all that Vetter gave. 

Hopefully I can start posting a little more often and get into the mix!


This is interesting info.  I've got a HS senior considering DC.  Do they have enough talent coming back/coming in to make up for these losses?  What are your "professional" opinions about DC chances of improving upon last season?

Have to agree with Has_Been's take on upcoming DC fortunes.  In some respects, the team could be better off without concerns for Dillon's obligatory touches and Han's penchant for Jekyll and Hyde performances.  Folks "leave school" for a variety of reasons, and speculation/hearsay even from knowledgeable sources will remain "at home."  While DC lacks the ability to "reload" like some DIII powerhouses, they will retain a competitive streak and spirit.

Wish you, 08, and your son, the best in making the right decision for a strong and well-balanced collegiate experience.

- DC Class of 1975





Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 25, 2008, 05:17:17 PM
Disappointed when I got out of bed today.  There was not a single school closing on the TV  :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 25, 2008, 05:33:42 PM
decision08- on regards to who I would like to see step up, It is tough to say.  There are currently only two qb's on the roster right now & neither has had a lot of experience.  I just want to see someone who is confident enough to step up in the pocket & deliever the ball to someone on their own team ;D.  I would think Stephens right now is sitting at the #1 spot for now, unless the Haggadone kid comes back ready to compete or a freshman takes the job. 

On regards to DC itself, I wouldn't have done it any differently.  It was four great years (97-01) & w/o the football program I would have never graduated & would have never made it out to California.  I would have been living in my parents basement in Southeast Detroit pumping gas if I went somewhere else.  Plus the school itself continues to grow & improve every year.  Your son would be making a good choice selecting DC for his undergrad. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on February 25, 2008, 10:37:50 PM
Decision08 - When I was in Defiance I was very impressed with the positive vibe coming from the entire Athletic Department.  I spoke with a few coaches and they all seemed very up beat about how things were going.  I also got the feeling that they "new" coaches that were hired last summer will have a great effect on the team after having a full year to get in the groove.  Although Mt. St. J and Franklin have a leg up on things, I wouldn't bet against DC having a great year.  Yes they lose a lot, but they also have a lot returning.

Cave2bens - I was only passing along a little info that I come upon, and didn't mean for any rumors or hearsay to start.  I have no idea what his reason for leaving school is and wouldn't speculate on it either, I just thought it would make for good discussion amongst this group.  I hope that both Dillion and Vetter both decide to get back to school at some point to get their degrees.  Hopefully Hans changes his mind and returns to DC for his senior season.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on February 25, 2008, 10:44:01 PM
I would also like to second Has_beens thoughts about DC.  DC was a great place for me to attend school.  I am sure many of the other posters feel the same way about there schools and I wouldn't expect any different, but I can honestly say that the school was a perfect fit for me.    DC allowed me to experience some of the best times of my life.  Football was just a small part of the picture, as I also was part of the track team and enjoyed the friendly campus atmosphere.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 26, 2008, 08:56:26 AM
first of all, decision08....how good is your kid.  I'm only kidding.

Seriously thats pretty neat that a potential recruits parents have found this board.  We've come a long, long way boys.


Even though I rip DC occasionally for them backing out of their series to play us, I have respect for the guys that have graduated from the school.  I don't think you can make a bad decision if you boy is thinking about playing D3 football no matter where he goes.  He will learn as much ON the field as he does off the field.  Plus time management, responding to adversity (esp at Defiance- kidding boys), and hard work (I know its cliche but true). 

One thing you said....that I think is important....even though Defiance hasn't won the league title the last few years, the mind-set is still there.  A team absolutely needs this to compete.  My junior year, we went 3-7 (and even lost to the Yellow Jackets)...but we still had the mindset that we were the best 3-7 team in the country (which we were if you see our schedule from that year).  The following year, we got the breaks we didn't get the year previous and turned out around to 7-3. 

Even though Defiance is probably NOT going to challenge for the HCAC this year (breaking in a QB is underrated- we did it this year), but they'll make their typical run in one of the coming years that your son is in school.

Good luck with your decision.  If you need any advice (except for which school to pick), use my personal email address and I'll answer what I can.

-Thomas More College Class of 1999
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 26, 2008, 10:31:53 AM
18 - Comment was speculation and opinion picked up from sources outside of this board, and apologies if sentence structure / meaning unintentionally inferred otherwise.  Obvious this poster was not an English or Rhetoric major...  ;D

Welcome to the Board!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 26, 2008, 03:09:23 PM
I have no clue what DC has comming back. If they have an experienced O-line and RB comming back, I will venture a guess that they will be an offense who tries to PTR (pound the rock for the newbies). Dillon was a huge part of what they tried to do offensively last year. Whenever DC needed a play, they did the Ol "throw it up to the tall athletic kid." They will need to find a young kid to step up and be a playmaker and you generally don't get those out of kids playing with little or no experience. I think a 5-5 year is realistic. They'll compete for 3rd in the HCAC with Hanover and RHIT, but that's about it.

As far as college, in the long run, a degree is a degree in my opinion. If DC is a good fit, you like it, go. You'll get the same quality education as you would anywhere. Work in the off season at a restaurant if the food is so bad. I was never recruited by DC and honestly, a life secluded in the country wasn't for me so I wouldn't have went anyway. MSJ fit me well. It was close, and I had multiple options for employement and living (I stayed at home). Plus they offered football and wrestling...the one and only reason I went there over TMC.

Pick whatever fits you best. Don't try to make something work at a place just because the women, reputation, or anything else.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 26, 2008, 03:31:54 PM
I hope you aren't giving advice to any other future students on their selection process for college.  Though your choices are what worked best for you, but I wouldn't say you'll get the same quality education as you would anywhere.  Some colleges will have better programs in areas like sports med, or buisness, and so forth. 
 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 26, 2008, 04:01:24 PM
Agreed.  Hanover and RHIT are the "class" of the HCAC as far as degrees go.  Also some other great schools in the region are:  Case Western Reserve, Wabash, Earlham (if you like hangin with hippies), Wittenburg, Hiram, Kenyon (well most if not all the NCAC).  You get the point. 

There are major differences at most schools.  What I think Adam meant was that MSJ and TMC are similar in nature and he wanted to stay in town.   

Though I'm sure the president at MSJ would cringe at that.  .  . isn't it time to retire anyhow?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 26, 2008, 05:35:39 PM
ok, i'll bite.

how does hanover's degree make it the class of the hcac? i think the franklin crowd would argue the same. hanover is a great school, but i think it all depends on what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 26, 2008, 06:18:38 PM
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/rankindex_brief.php try doing some research on this site & it might be some help or could cause more debate.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 26, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
Sure, RHIT and CWR have great traditions of academic excellence, but a degree is a degree. My education degree from MSJ qualifies me for the same job options as an education degree from Vanderbilt, Virginia, TMC, or whomever. A business degree from Defiance qualifies you for the same job options as a business degree from Xavier. I realize places like Harvard, Yale, MIT, or even great D3 schools may look better than a place like MSJ on a resume due to tradition, but I'm not any less qualified as a professional for attending MSJ.

I seriously doubt that a Principal will elect to interview someone solely based on where they went...maybe for their GPA (which mine wasn't very good), but attending a specific school doesn't mean how good a professional they are.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 27, 2008, 08:11:06 AM
And hel I got yob with my degree from MSJ and I Kan't spel
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on February 27, 2008, 10:32:34 AM
I tend to agree with Adam for the most part.  In a great majority of careers it doesn't really matter where your degree comes from, but at the same time I think there are several career fields that it is a big deal.  I think mostly it comes down to the demand that is happening in the particular feild.  If there is a over abundance of applicants, I think the administrators can be a little more picky, if there is a shortage they will take what the can get.  Just my two cents! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 27, 2008, 12:24:21 PM
i would hope my doctor went to a great school. i'm sure accountants can pick up the trade at any traditional business school. numbers haven't really changed in the past 2,000 years.

i don't think i would have a problem sending my kids to any HCAC school. they all seem to be top notch academically and sociable. if they were playing sports, i would have to meet with the head coaches. i think they are the biggest selling points for small schools and athletes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 27, 2008, 03:21:05 PM
Any licensure program (doctor, teacher, athletic trainer, etc.) the institution has to be accredited. If it's not, you can still get your degree, but you can't get a license. In other words, if your school isn't accredited, your degree is pretty much worthless. In such a case, it would make a difference where you went, but if you wanted to be a doctor, teacher, trainer, etc. why would you even consider a place where you wouldn't be able to use your degree?

The OHSAA State Wrestling Tournament starts tomorrow and runs through Saturday. Lakota East got 2 kids out. It's always fun to go to Columbus for this event. Generally the bars are hopping with non-college aged people withcrazy-looking ears. Last year, they had the Arnold Classic, UFC, and State Tournament all at the same time. It made for some interesting times with some interesting folks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 27, 2008, 03:27:34 PM
If you are getting an engineering degree...chances are you want it from RHIT. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on February 27, 2008, 04:25:15 PM
Chances are you would prefer it from MIT or Caltech.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 27, 2008, 05:00:01 PM
probably so, Frank.  But not out of the list of regional D3 schools..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 27, 2008, 06:11:14 PM
case or carnegie mellon for engineering?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 28, 2008, 08:38:45 AM
nope...not in the area....CLEVELAND AND PITTSBURGH?  Are you serious? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 28, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
What is wrong w/ Cleveland & Pittsburgh? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 28, 2008, 11:02:16 AM
QuoteIn a great majority of careers it doesn't really matter where your degree comes from

If that is true, why not simply go to an accredited state school, small college or community college and save all the money you would spend by going to a well respected private school or spending out of state tuition at places like Michigan? Academic rigor and reputation are very important in many (most) professional fields. It is simply not true to say it doesn't matter where your degree comes from...   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 28, 2008, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 28, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
What is wrong w/ Cleveland & Pittsburgh? 

is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2008, 12:56:00 PM
Sam Wyche can give you a list of things wrong with Cleveland...starting at #1, throwing stuff on the field :)

In a majority of careers I don't think it matters where you go. I think it matters more how you perform. If you get an engineering degree from RHIT and have a 3.0 and I get an engineering degree from somewhere else and have a 4.0, even going to a "lesser" school, I think my 4.0 holds more weight.

Someone brought up supply and demand. To a profession that can be picky, it may make a difference if you went to Harvard or Cincinnati. Ultimately, I think it matters more how you perform in the classroom whether your on the east coast behind a black steel fence or looking at the Pacific Ocean from your classroom.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 28, 2008, 01:20:50 PM
SaintsFan you crack me up :D, but remember I come from Detroit so Cleveland & Pittsburgh are a step up. 
Adam your 4.0 at an institutution that is lesser of a school than RHIT is not going to hold more weight.  That's like saying that you are more qualified b/c you did better at school that is easier vs. a school that is known for their prominence in that particular field. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 28, 2008, 02:00:05 PM
if i were to hire someone straight out of college i would require transcripts.  if they went somewhere with high academic standards (as defined by those with bowties not fools like us) then they need to have a set GPA minimum to get past HR not saying i cant hire just i may never see the resume.  if it came from a non-elite school then the GPA threshold is higher.  by those defenition 90% of schools are non elite.  so in the world of business a 3.0 at MIT is not equal to a 3.0 at MSJ, TMC, DC, etc.  you can also use GPA vs school difficulty to negotiate a higher starting salary.

BUT as Jackets18 kind of points out it depends on the field you are going into.

my 3.1 at DC should have caused issues in getting my job but i interned there.  they said elite = 3.0 non elite is 3.5 but is manager discretion.  welcome to corporate america...of course they can be picky.  i interned with folks from Notre Dame, Cornell, MIT, Dayton, Xavier and that is where a lot of thier folks come from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 28, 2008, 04:22:16 PM
70_dc_alum, SaintsFAN, Sayer, et al:

Unfortunately, in today's corporate world, that is true.  However, I would add this if I may.  It all comes down to the person, one's motivation, dedication and talents.  I don't care what anyone's GPA is - even if at the low end of the "acceptable scale" for being considered in any corporation's (or employer's) criteria, a person who might be in that category can turn out to be "light years" ahead of other so-called high profile candidates who are hired as employees.  Do you think that, for example, a doctor or an engineer who might graduate in the lower half of his class can't turn out to be a exemplary top person in their field in any and even all ways above someone who had a much higher GPA from their same school or even someone from another high profile school?  It happens all the time and again it comes down to the person themselves.  Some people are just not good "test takers" i.e. they perform well enough to pass exams and are very competent.  But just because a person doesn't score the highest on a test doesn't mean he isn't saavy and the best administrator, working well with people in professional relationships, intelligent to pull off landing deals for the company, the best designer, physical skills, etc., etc.  Of course, as you say, the challenge comes in being given the opportunity i.e. being selected or hired in the applicant process among the candidate pool and some of that involves personality as well.  Yet if one is lucky and fortunate enough to be selected/hired and turns out to be among the top despite a lesser GPA/transcripts compared to others, that speaks "mountains" about one's character traits as I've alluded to/discussed above.  Just my 0.02 worth! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 28, 2008, 04:40:19 PM
well said, formerd3db.

I think thats probably why I have made it where I have.  I definitely didn't have super grades at Thomas More....I skated by....until Dean Paul came in and made us take part in the Academic Gameplan.  I had a 3.5 in my only semester under him.


Its kind of a tricky job market right now, though.  I wonder if there will be a study that comes out which shows WHO employers are hiring right now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 28, 2008, 04:42:37 PM
Detroit has_Been? 

no wonder you don't mind Los Angeles.  I bet you go to BBQ Joints in Compton for nice dinners  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 28, 2008, 06:12:00 PM
QuoteAdam your 4.0 at an institutution that is lesser of a school than RHIT is not going to hold more weight.  That's like saying that you are more qualified b/c you did better at school that is easier vs. a school that is known for their prominence in that particular field. 

Exactly. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rhitsid on February 29, 2008, 08:25:32 AM
For those who have not heard, Rose-Hulman football player Drew Christy was seriously injured in an automobile accident last week.  We have posted a story online at:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/football/08christy.htm

and we strongly encourage you to visit the web link below to leave your words of encouragement and faith to Drew and his family throughout his recovery:

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/drewchristy

Have a good day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 29, 2008, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 28, 2008, 06:12:00 PM
QuoteAdam your 4.0 at an institutution that is lesser of a school than RHIT is not going to hold more weight.  That's like saying that you are more qualified b/c you did better at school that is easier vs. a school that is known for their prominence in that particular field. 

Exactly. 


I don't believe it because as Formerd3db stated, people are different types of learners. Some don't do well on tests/quizzes, yet they can do things that involve them using their hands (building models, working on cadavers, etc.) and vice versa. Me, I learned math better wtaching a teacher do it over and over again on a baord. I have a student who couldn't do fractions until we gave him those colored chips. Some people learn differently and can't get into a "high profile" school like RHIT because they possible didn't do well because of their learning style (this is not something that is an exception to the rule). They have to attend a different school. Therefore, a 4.0 would mean more (and it's possible as well that is may not). It's not like colleges put a degree in place and fail to hire quality educators...places like RHIT can be selective. They get the "best" students, who perform exceptionally well not necessarily being in the "best" program. It provides a falsehood...not saying that is necessarily the case at RHIT.

Hope the player pulls through. I've been coaching wrestling now for 8 years and there have already been 3 wrestlers where I have been who have died. It's tough. You'll get support from all of us.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 29, 2008, 10:26:51 AM
I will keep the RHIT player in my prayers.

decision08,

That 5'11'' stuff isn't really applicable anymore.  More and more you see teams at the college and pro level taking chances on shorter defensive lineman. 

One example in our backyard is the defensive lineman from Colerain who got a scholarship to UC despite being 5"10 or 5'11.  He was All Big-East for the last two years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: griffpanther on February 29, 2008, 12:19:21 PM
I can totally understand why a graduate of MSJ would rationalize in his mind that his degree is as good as a degree from an actual academically recognized intstitution. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 29, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
Wow, first post & starts off talking smack!  I'm guessing w/ panther in the name, you are a Hanover supporter?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 29, 2008, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 29, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
Wow, first post & starts off talking smack!  I'm guessing w/ panther in the name, you are a Hanover supporter?

And failed to use spell check to boot...  :o

The bottom line is "fairness" is a self-perceived fallacy and anyone believing in such utopian equilibria watches too many Disney movies or political pontifications.

Do differences exist among schools in regard to academic rigor, degree weights, and associated network opportunities?  Absolutely, especially in the private sector, where everything is based on the perceptions of gatekeepers (HR, recruiters, etc) and buying influences, right or wrong.  While this may not be applicable in the fields of behavioral sciences ("soft" science like sociology, psych, or communications), primary/secondary education, or general business, the pre-professional tacks are a different matter, especially regarding "name" graduate programs, or corporate environments.  

Are there statistical outliers?  Sure, and I won't bore anyone with an interview involving a candidate from UTexas-Austin (with a 3.8 GPA) who couldn't perform a simple fraction conversion without a calculator or write a proper sentence.  Just wait until some board participants reach their mid-fifties, the body starts breaking down, and technical savvy replaces the need for experience, common sense, and native intelligence.  ;D ;)  

Fortunately, when the door slams into one's backside, there is often an open window.  Amen... and goodbye soapbox.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 29, 2008, 02:37:01 PM
And what a way to have your 200th post!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 29, 2008, 02:40:57 PM
decision08:

Sorry, however, in my office, when I take a chance and hire some supposed highly sophisitcated, intelligent person from some highly acclaimed academic institution and that person turns out to be someone who can't get along with his fellow colleagues, has the personality of a cold trout along with a highly elevated opinion of himself (sorry not including the women gender here ;D), and performs satisfactory, but not as one would expect, that person is put on waivers.  It all comes down to one's character and personality, academic skills being essentially equal or at least in the same ball park, IMO.

cave2:
Well said.

SaintsFAN:
Thanks.

I will also keep the RHIT player (and his family as well) in thought and prayer.  Please keep us posted on his progress.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 29, 2008, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: decision08 on February 29, 2008, 10:42:15 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 29, 2008, 10:26:51 AM
That 5'11'' stuff isn't really applicable anymore.  More and more you see teams at the college and pro level taking chances on shorter defensive lineman. 

One example in our backyard is the defensive lineman from Colerain who got a scholarship to UC despite being 5"10 or 5'11.  He was All Big-East for the last two years.

SaintsFAN

The examples were just making a point, not hard and fast rules.  And my thinking behind  5'11" example really was about O-line.  Still, the Colerain guy has other impressive numbers on his side that "compensate" for the height and make him impossible to overlook, right?

Yep.  Like the ones you mentioned.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 29, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: decision08 on February 29, 2008, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 29, 2008, 02:40:57 PM
when I take a chance and hire some supposed highly sophisitcated, intelligent person from some highly acclaimed academic institution

The point about what you said that jumps out at me is that this supposed hire's degree from "some highly acclaimed academic institution" has some extra weight with you, whether consciously or subconsciously.  You expect more out of him than from other alums.  So what better person with a less respected degree was turned down to make room for this supposed sophisticate?  Doors are opened more easily by certain measurables, in this example - a certain degree from a certain school.  Doors sometimes have to be kicked in by average people with better character.  I'm not complaining about the way the world works, I'm just looking it square in the face and trying to teach my kid to do the same.

Quote from: formerd3db on February 29, 2008, 02:40:57 PM
It all comes down to one's character and personality, academic skills being essentially equal or at least in the same ball park


decision08:

Oh, not all all.  I was using that as an example only in an attempt to illustrate just the opposite.  Having gone to a small college, I am partial to people who have graduated from small colleges.  That is not to say that people who come from a highly respected school such as Harvard or MIT didn't get a great education.  In the context of the discussion, my point was simply that just because someone comes from the highly touted institutions and/or has either the same or a higher GPA, doesn't mean that they are necessarily the better person for a job.  It just depends on what an employer decides to do during the interview process i.e. someone can have a perceived better interview than others, get hired and then turn out to be really the wrong candidate selection.  My other point was that someone from a small college that might have a GPA of the same or less than someone else from a Harvard or MIT, and/or a different small college i.e. one that is not perceived as being as "elite" as other small colleges, may indeed turn out to be a better employee, if they are given the chance.

Perhaps I misunderstood, (and if so, my apologies) but the context of the original discussion on this board was that some people, in fact, did perceive (and wrongly IMO), that "so and so's" degree from "X" small college was not as good as someone other person's from "XY" small college and/or "X - Ivy", etc., etc.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 29, 2008, 04:53:51 PM
decision08:

Thank you for those kind words.  Seriously, I sense that you, too, are the kind of person who looks at all angles and considerations in making a decision.  For sure, many factors go into making one's decision as to where they choose to attend school for their undergraduate degree as well as continuing their football career (or other sport).  As I'm sure you know, these range from not only academic programs and success rates of placement of student-athletes in graduate programs, (and yes, national ratings, rankings from various organizations viewing the same), but also people you meet and observe on campus, financial aid, the physical layout and presentation of the campus itself, the town and surrounding community, the coaching staff, facilities, approach i.e attitude toward the sport and the league, student-body support, and, of course, the #'s game in some instances i.e. on the roster (like how many are ahead of me?, etc. - sounds silly to some, but in reality it is not! :)).  Seeing all these aspects and then commiting it down on paper to assist in making one's final decision makes sense to me.

Anyway, my apologies for this long dissertation.  Yet, I do wish you and yours all the best as you approach and make the decision.  If I can be of any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me (off line if you desire) and I'll give you my best "MIAA pitch"! ;D ;).

Best regards,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 29, 2008, 05:25:35 PM
decision08:

I can understand your point and certainly agree with respect to the financial aid aspects.  The time schedule is important.  You might want to take that up with some of our Adrian friends on these boards.  Recruiting issues have been some of their complaints in the past with respect to that program.  I will say, however, that I do know some of the coaches there and they are good people, as well as the people I know who went to that school.

Every college staff has a different approach to recruiting, even at DIII schools.  And you are right in that "the early bird gets the worm".  I know of some MIAA schools that coaching staffs "hit the road" right after the end of the season to visit high schools.  Others rely on admissions reps to visit schools, talk with hs coaches and get names of prospective student-athletes to the college coaching staffs.  Most of the MIAA schools have programs and visitation for football gamedays for prospective players.  While coaching staffs may have their list of players they are recruiting and would like to have, at the same time, many rely on contact from the student-athletes themselves and/or their coaches or alumni.  DIII recruiting is an entire "different ballgame" in many respects in comparison to the scholarship programs, but in some respects not different either.

The bottom line is, as I'm sure you are finding out, DIII coaching staffs will provide you with the information and guide you to their appropriate college staff as to how to apply for and possibly obtain as much financial aid as one can get since no athletic scholarships are allowed.  Of course, as unfortunate as it may be, that sometimes factors in to one's decision as to where they will decide to go and/or even be able to go.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 29, 2008, 06:19:48 PM
So....what should we talk about next?  Ah yes, any thoughts on the last weekends combine in Indy?
I'm stuck in limbo on who's going to be a more successful qb, Ryan or Brohm? 
Plus the free agency market is heating up rapidly.
I hope this gets the ball rolling on another subject. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 01, 2008, 01:05:59 AM
dc_has_been:

It may not be popular to say on a board where there are many Ohio people, but I would venture to say Henne will be better than those two.  Ryan seems like he could be the bust of the draft to me, just look at his game against MSU from his bowl game.  Thats a franchise qb that you are going to bet a number one pick on?

Chris Long looks to be an amazing athlete as well as a high energy hustle guy, he could be a dangerous for years in the league from DE or OLB in the right system.

Jake Long put in a great performance, good times, great lifting and the career to back it up, not to mention his hands are 11 1/2" from pinky to thumb and i believe his arms were 35 3/4" long which is amazing.

Otah from pittsburgh looked fat and out of shape, hes a mauler but still he looked way to heavy.

Kellen Davis from MSU, good productivity, and the numbers to back him up 4.58 40yd dash, good on the bench and looked very good in the receiving drills.(Hes an Adrian guy so I wish him the best)

Manningham and Hart were both dissapointments.

Just thought Id throw my hat in the ring for comments since I watched the workouts live on the NFL network and recorded them.(Yes I have to much time on my hands)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D306 on March 01, 2008, 07:25:26 AM
ADAWG

1st nice to see you on another board I typically stay with the MIAA.

I agree the 2 Longs will both be successful. Jake is large, athletic and smart he will do well. ( I pray the Lions do not move up to take him, I like the guy and do not want his NFL time to be in the waste land). Chris Long is very fluid and will make a impact with the right team that laets him use his skills, not sit on the end and hold the corner all day.

Mario is a very good route runner and will find his spot in the NFL, needs to work on hands, and I am sure some NFL team will get some speed into his game. The guy gets open and thats what counts.

Hart I fear is on the edge,  I was not happy with him this last year, plays hard, but I think he have some character issues when he no longer is the "star" of a team.


My 2 cents on the issue above, character is what counts. Give me a employee whom is a worker and has the capability, drive to improve over a high rated university and a "attitude".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 01, 2008, 08:34:50 AM
Has_been your freaking Lions have me Pissed off right now pussing out of a trade with the Bengals for Rogers to deal with them dirtballs from the south coast of lake erie.  I guess there really is no self respect coming out of Detroit :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 01, 2008, 08:37:53 AM
I can't believe a Hanover poster, after all these years, finally comes on and has the balls to talk trash...where have you been the last 4-5 years? At least Tricksnaps posts something here and there.

And how's Hanover's football team now that you mention it? Please don't give me all this: "We have Coach Austin now and we will be good" BS...know where you're at...on the bottom looking up...like those "townies" you guys like to frolic with in Madison.

At least field a respectable football team before you start writing checks your a$$ can't cash. RHIT is aruably the best school in the HCAC and their football team is decent.

AND...MSJ has been nationally recognized in the past, while I was in attendance, as a quality place to get an education degree...which is what I have.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2008, 09:55:57 AM
Very nice ADAWG, but I half way agree w/ you on Henne.  Didn't they say his throws were all over the place at the combine?  I do know the combine means squat at times (ex. Tom Brady), but look at Ryan's numbers from it.  By the way, Jake Long is a freak & I do hope the Lions don't draft him too.
On regards to the Lions 70dcalum, did you really think any differently of the Lions beforehand?  Hell, look at what the mayor of Detroit is going through right now.  I'm still a huge fan of all Detroit teams, but the Lions do the best job of getting my blood pressure to rise.  The problem is that Los Angeles doesn't have a damn football team so there is nobody to switch to and root for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 01, 2008, 10:45:02 AM
IMO,

Ryan is more polished than any of the QB's.  The knock on him is that he's not a Carson Palmer type QB.  He's going to need pieces around him to win....which is true of all the QBs in this draft. 

For sure -  Ryan, Brohm, Henne et all are going to need the right pieces around them to be successful QBs in the NFL...otherwise we'd have a consensus #1 pick being talked about like Russell from LSU last year.

I saw Manningham's 40 times live on NFL network.  I think he'll be fine...there's 40 speed and then there's football speed.  Unless he feasted too much on secondaries like Notre Dame's turtle squad.  But I don't think thats the case. 

As far as Hart goes....I don't think I've ever rooted against someone so much as him before.  I think he's a loudmouth punk.  A broken down one at that. 

The first round is going to be decided by needs moreso than who is the best player on the Big Board.  I think you're going to see alot of suprises early on (first 20 picks)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 01, 2008, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 01, 2008, 09:55:57 AM
The problem is that Los Angeles doesn't have a damn football team so there is nobody to switch to and root for.

Now, now - you've the best team that money and boosters can buy, occupying the Coliseum.  Switch your purple wardrobe to cardinal and you're all ready for action.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 01, 2008, 01:01:53 PM
One other QB to keep an eye on is that Flaco kid from Delaware, huge arm and he had a pretty good showing in terms of athleticism at the combine.  The kid from San Diego was also a guy that opened some eyes with his 40 time at the combine.

SaintsFAN:

Id agree that Ryan is more polished than the other QB's but watching his games over the course of the season I really just dont see him being a savior for a franchise.  None of these QB's (IMO) will be first year players, they could all do well with some seasoning.  Manninghams whole problem seemed to be his starts, he stutter stepped coming out on both of his, not sure what coach hes working with on that, but he needs a new one.  Mike Hart is a good college RB because he runs very hard which is also why he gets hurt so frequently.   He has marginal speed and moves and has no class as noticed by his constant running of his mouth.

70_DC_Alum:

That Shaun Rogers trade wouldve been great for Cinncy, not taht Corey Williams is a slouch either but he doesnt have the tools that Rogers does.  Its to bad the League shot that one down over language in the trade agreement from what Ive read.  Now the Lions get a thrid rounder and a below average QB, look out now, that secondary is shaping up and maybe Millen will have some success in rounds 3-5 unlike he has his whole career.  Heres a great number 26 of 58 players Matt Millen has drafted are no longer in the NFL and one entire draft class of his (2003 I believe) has no players left on the Lions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 01, 2008, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on March 01, 2008, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 01, 2008, 09:55:57 AM
The problem is that Los Angeles doesn't have a damn football team so there is nobody to switch to and root for.

Now, now - you've the best team that money and boosters can buy, occupying the Coliseum.  Switch your purple wardrobe to cardinal and you're all ready for action.

EXACTLY
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 01, 2008, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on March 01, 2008, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 01, 2008, 09:55:57 AM
The problem is that Los Angeles doesn't have a damn football team so there is nobody to switch to and root for.

Now, now - you've the best team that money and boosters can buy, occupying the Coliseum.  Switch your purple wardrobe to cardinal and you're all ready for action.

NEVER! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 02, 2008, 09:58:30 AM
Hart runs extremely hard and Michigan ran him very often. The same was the case with Perry when the Bengals drafted him. He had led the Big 10 back to back years in carries (had 50 his Senior year vs Michigan State) and was billed as a hard-running durable back. HA! Has he even played in a combined 16 games yet?

You can argue QB's all you want and I was the furthest one on here from being one, but when you're talking about Chad Henne as possibly the 2nd best QB in this daft...your QB class sucks. He was a 4-year starter at Michigan who never amounted to anything but OK seasons and OK numbers...and couldn't win the big game. 0-4 against Ohio State and 1-3 in Bowl Games. He played one hell of a game against Florida, but that doesn't make up for the other 95% of his "OK-at-best" performences. Kevin, he had weapons  and people in place around him throughout his career...Hart, Manningham, Edwards, and a stellar O-line and couldn't do anything. Ryan may amount to something in the league, but I almost spit up in my protien shake when I heard ESPN state "excellent QB class."

The #1 pick should be Long to the Dolphins barring some kind of trade. The have a pretty good RB returning from injury and, next to QB, the most important player on the field is LT (or blind-side tackle)...in a poll taken by NFL players, they rated LT #1 and QB #2. Anyway, surring up the line will help the run game which in turn will help whichever person they decide is capable of playing with the center's nuts.

I think the best player is McFadden. He can return kicks for you, run between the tackles, line up in the slot, and if you want him to, take some direct snaps. Reminds me of Reggie Bush, except Reggie can't run between the tackles consistently and McFadden can. If he's not taken 2-5, I'll be very surprised. He can create so much for you and does have the power to be an Adrian Peterson type running back if that's what you solely want him to do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 02, 2008, 10:32:30 AM
Sayer:

Couldn't agree more with it being a terrible QB class.  IF Ryan is the cant miss prospect there are some real problems there, other than the fact that quarterbacks are more often can miss when take in the top 5 than cant miss.

McFadden is the top talent in the draft he may be as talented as Peterson, but he will not have the same impact as a rookie simply because he will not end up on a team with such a big talented offensive line as Minnesota.  He could have the same type of success if he lasts to 6 and goes to the Jets, with the signing of Faneca that OL should be much improved this coming season.  However from a fantasy football fall back position I hope he doesnt make it that far so that Thomas Jones is still viable.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2008, 03:11:03 PM
Sayer:

I would have to disagree with a bit re: Henne.  Just because a player didn't have an "All-American" career, doesn't mean he doesn't have talent and might not do well at the next level if given a chance.  People said the exact same thing about Tom Brady when he came out of Michigan and Brady didn't have the best "star studded" career.  Heck, Lloyd Carr was always trying to give the QB job to someone else, including in Brady's senior year.  But, Brady continued to do the best he could and as we all know, proved everyone wrong thereafter and obviously in the NFL.  A person could make the reverse arguement for Drew Henson (or even Kurt Warner - who some would perhaps hold as the "all-time" unhearalded success story).  Henne may not turn out to do any better than the latter or even Stanton from MSU.  But then again, you might indeed be right, yet we all won't know until we see what transpires in mini-camps and beyond.

Granted, this year's QB graduating class doesn't compare to some of those in the past, but again, IMO, you can't underestimate any individual.  People arise to the occasion at different times in their lives.

BTW, some of the papers reported that Henne did well at the combine, contrary to what some other people mentioned.  Obviously, I wasn't there so I can't confirm either way - just mentioning what was reported in the papers (which we all know we can't believe what some reporters write in those things much of the time anyway ;D).   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 02, 2008, 08:23:07 PM
We'll have to see, but based on Henne's performances in "Big" games, he won't be much more than a solid NFL back up. Tom Brady, though his career wasn't great at UM, was a solid QB with above average numbers and beat OSU and won Bowl Games. Henne has always been average at best while in college. You have to wait until he prooves himself on the field but I can't see him being anything in the NFL.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2008, 08:32:52 PM
You have some good points.  Yet, also, just because Michigan didn't win some of those games against OSU and bowl games doesn't mean he doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL. Some of those Michigan losses were not all due to poor offesive play (such as not being able to get a first down to keep possession to run out the last 3-4 minutes of a game at times), but rather due to extremely poor defensive play (i.e. not being able to cover a TE and very poor secondary play - so you can't blame it all on Henne.  Your OSU bias is always clear, but we'll forgive you for that ;D :D ;) ::))).  Hey, Joey Harrington was a great college QB but look at his career in the NFL (although I will say he hasn't got much help at all from O-line at the places he's been).  I agree, he will probably be a solid backup if he makes it, but like you say, we never know until the pre-season starts (assuming he gets drafted). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2008, 10:35:15 PM
Chad Henne was probably the number one freshman qb in the country (so good that the expected starter, whose injury opened the door for Chad, transferred after having been rated the #1 prospect in the country when recruited).  What worries me is that he never showed notable improvement the following three years.  I doubt he will be Tom Brady.  On the other hand, who thought that Tom Brady would be TOM BRADY?! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 02, 2008, 11:33:40 PM
If anyone in the NFL (including the Pats)  had been truly smart about Brady, he would not have lasted until the 6th round.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 03, 2008, 08:31:46 AM
and I can't wait until Randy Moss signs with another team....then he only has Welker left.  Brady WAS a great QB....not he's a great QB and a primadonna. 

I was glad Henne was a 4 year starter.  It gave Notre Dame hope in the Michigan game....("Make Henne play like Henne"), even when we had chitty teams. 

Eventhough, Manningham killed us in "07. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 03, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on March 03, 2008, 08:31:46 AM
and I can't wait until Randy Moss signs with another team....then he only has Welker left.  Brady WAS a great QB....not he's a great QB and a primadonna.

Not sure I'd pen Brady's epitaph quite yet - tone reflects a possible "Giselle fixation."   ;D ;D ;D  Pass the wine bottle, und Guten Abend, Liebschen... ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 03, 2008, 10:20:07 AM
mount union is playing ashland first game next year. d3 power vs an underachieving d2 team.

i have heard it is still a 4 quarter real game, but an exhibition. why not just play it for real?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 03, 2008, 10:51:42 AM
cave,

it has nothing to do with Gisselle.  I just think he's an arrogant prick. 

I admit, I was a fan until I realized something in the Super Bowl.  Every time things don't go his way....he goes off on his teammates.  HE made a bad throw to Welker in the flat in the 4th Quarter and b tched at WELKER for not making a better effort when the throw was 10 feet over his head. 

It went the same way in their previous loss, to the Colts in the AFC Title Game. 

I just don't think much of that practice....he's incredibly accurate.  BUT, only a good leader when everything is going his way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 03, 2008, 11:17:31 AM
for those of you that appreciate rock.....

check out this clip.  This kid is good.  Its a high school kid doing a pretty good rendition of Eric Johnson's Cliffs of Dover. 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X3yDRw1V0-Y

This song is also on Guitar Hero 3, for all you youngsters..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 03, 2008, 11:58:06 AM
That OSU bias will always be there and to Chad Henne's credit, they were good in the 2006-2007 season...until the Bowl Results when the Big 10 was made a mockery of.

Any news on Pryor? I check ESPN every so often to see if he's made a decision but nothing has been posted. I believe he said he wanted to wait until basketball was finished, but the deadline for declaring should be approaching soon.

We're doing mean, median, and mode and I had the students do push-ups and sit-ups to generate their data set...they weren't having fun until I did them too, then the lesson was hilarious...especially when one of the 6th grade girls told me she did more sit-ups than I in the 15 seconds.

It's not like Gisele Bundchen is unbelievably smoking hot or anything...SaintsFan has been turned down by hotter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 03, 2008, 12:45:05 PM
Congratulations to the Thomas More womens basketball team....they finished the year 28-0, you read that correctly and got the #1 seed in their region.  This means they will be HOSTING the first two rounds of the NCAA D3 basketball tournament in Crestview Hills.


Adam,

by the way...there's no turning me down lately...I'm on a roll.  Planets must be aligned or something.   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 03, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
SaintsFAN:

Gee, we might then see them playing at Hope's impressive DeVos Fieldhouse in the NCAA Final Four to be held there this month.  Might we see you there?? ;) (I'm HOPING that Hope's women's team will be there as well)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 03, 2008, 03:03:47 PM
formerd3db,

I doubt I would make it up there for the Final Four.  My little sister is getting married on March 29th here in Cincinnati and I have the bachelor party on March 22nd as well that will help to limit my travel time.

How are things?  Good luck to Hope....maybe our schools will finally meet.  Though if Hope wins a women's basketball meeting, I'm afraid I won't count it as a true loss to Hope ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 04, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
Are the Bengals going to land any free agents?

The Browns are getting some nice improvements why can't we?  Our conference just keeps getting beter and better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 04, 2008, 01:13:56 PM
Well Moss signed a 3yr contract w/ New England, so Tommy will still have some weapons to throw to.  Anyways, he is still a great QB, arrogant or not.  Two time MVP of the Super Bowl, w/ three Super Bowl rings to go w/ it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 04, 2008, 01:46:26 PM
Yep...no doubt he's a great QB.  But not as great as he thinks he is.  I simply don't like the blaming others when the chips are against you and you aren't playing well. 

that would be like me blaming all of the INT's that I threw on the my center for not calling out the right defense when we got to the line. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 04, 2008, 02:57:48 PM
What if the receiver ran the incorrect route?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 04, 2008, 04:06:59 PM
the one incident I saw first hand, is where Brady put the ball 10 feet over Welker's head on an "out" route.  He then went ape-**** on Welker.  I was hoping Welker would punch him in the face. ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 04, 2008, 08:50:14 PM
MSJ HCAC CHAMPS!!!! Guaranteed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 04, 2008, 09:08:23 PM
Based on what? Did we land a couple good recruits that you specifically know of? Fill us in...or are you trying to stirr the HCAC pot a little bit to get some conversation started?

Brett Favre is retiring. The way things were going, I didn't think I'd ever see this in my lifetime. Word on ESPN is he retired because Green Bay refused to pursue Randy Moss and was willing to commit to multiple years had they gotten him. I honestly believe had Green Bay let Farve have a decent say in what they did in terms of personell, he would play until he was 50. As much as he loves the game of football, I can picture Brett laying in his Hammock in Hatisburg, Mississippi with an ice cold beer in the middle of October thinking: "Damn....this is nice."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 05, 2008, 08:33:38 AM
I think he's trying to stir the pot, a bit and get us talking HCAC Football (Whats that?)


Anyways...I'll bite... it won't be possible for MSJ to win the HCAC.  They aren't even going to win Cincy during the recruiting war.  You can take that transfer WR and shove it.  Your system is not about chucking the ball.  Besides, we've already played against the best, Andy Wellendorf...do you think this guy is as good as him?  No way.  AW was a great fit for your offense...get into 3rd and long or want to take a chance on 1st and 10?  Chuck it up to AW.  I seriously doubt this new guy is capable of being THAT kind of player. 

Its up to the guys there now to forge their own identity....Sayers class went from 0-10 to 10-0.  MSJ has not been the same, IMO, since that class has graduated and left campus.  He and I talked about it with DC70 at the MSJ/Defiance tilt in 2007....things dont' seem the same.

I think 2nd or 3rd in HCAC is a good season for the Lions in 2008.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 05, 2008, 08:42:41 AM
Adam,

The news kind of hit me pretty hard.  Favre was my favorite player growing up...we even did "Favre Fakes" at Thomas More under QB's Coach Steve Sigler....that is to fake a throw after a handoff. 

My all-time favorite Brett Favre moment was in Dec 2003, against the Raiders.  To do what he did that night, which was only one night after his dad died. 

I remember watching that game with my (then) wife....she was a huge fan of him too (and probably that was the only reason we got married) and we were so fired up for him.  He came out on fire.  It was a Monday night...and we had to call in sick the next day because we were so drunk watching the game. 

I'm not sure what I'm going to do when the Packers are on TV this year...probably still watch...but Aaron Rodgers is going to suck like every other Jeff Tedford QB has in the NFL. 

A friend of mine's boyfriend got to hang out with Brett Favre three weeks ago.  He was in town (Louisville) because one of his lineman went to U of L.  And it had snowed ALOT in GB that week (imagine that), but he wanted to see what Louisville was all about.  The guy said he was the most down to earth person he'd met.  Football didn't come up...he also said he was a bit of a redneck.  I think its amazing for Brett Favre to do something like this...says what kind of person he really is..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 05, 2008, 01:18:53 PM
I feel the same way...and it took a while for the news to actually hit me. He played football like every person should and his record for most consecutive games played, next to Cy Young's all-time win total for a pitcher, may be the most impossible record to match.

I still remember watching his first game, against the Bengals, when he came in for the Majik Man. I was in 4th or 5th grade and while watching the game, thought to myself, now the Bengals have a chance to win because the starting QB was hurt. Favre came in, and on one of the last plays, tosses a long TD pass and the Packers won...who would have known. Instead of taking a Wally Pipp, you can take a Don Majkowski.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 05, 2008, 01:29:30 PM
I think MSj will be alright. They played with a lot of youth this year on offense due to the injuries of Mike Jones and Lovell being banged up. They will have ample playing experience on the offensive side of the ball which will help and the offense will probably be the strength o this team...which hasn't been the case at MSJ. 2004 we were pretty balanced, but the defense and Wellendorf bailed us out a couple times.

I do agree that Andy Wellendorf is the best WR ever at MSJ and arguably the best player...Three RB's by the names of Wetterich, Anderson, and Lovell were all pretty damn good but Dorf was a freak. He may even be the best WR the HCAC has ever seen.

On Defense, I don't know what MSJ has comming back, but even with Hilvert gone, the defense was pretty tough last year. I know they do return some very good young talent, but I don't know how much.

In recruiting, Rod Huber can sell a Speedo to an Eskimo in December. He'll continue to get the players...or the Jimmys and the Joes.

As the case with MSJ last year, we were the Champs until FC beat us. I think that's the same scenario this year. Franklin should be the favorite until someone knocks them off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 01:04:24 AM
I totally agree with you AW was one hell of a player. I have personally seen the highlight films of the recruiting class this season and all i can say is WOW. will they come in a be players right away? i dont know that. As for the transfer WR, i have seen his highlight tape as well and i dont think he is as fast as AW, probably a 4.6 guy but he has hands that are unbelievable. MSJ will be solid upfront this season on both sides of the ball. The DBs will probably be the weakest link. Id like to see how the other schools in the HCAC matched up recruiting wise. I stand behind my Guarantee. Just watch out. the Lions are going to take the NCAA D3 by storm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 06, 2008, 08:37:02 AM
Quote from: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 01:04:24 AM
I stand behind my Guarantee. Just watch out. the Lions are going to take the NCAA D3 by storm.

Saved for posterity. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 06, 2008, 08:40:53 AM
Look I'm as big a fan of MSJ as others here...though I didn't play there.  I just have a feeling they may be in for a 7-3 season. 

The offense leading the way, Adam, well thats never happened at MSJ before.  Huber's identity for the team and what the WHOLE PROGRAM has bought into to get this far is to win with defense and running the ball to minimize offensive mistakes.  We'll see what happens, but if they are getting away from that...


Lionsden,

Every college-bound athlete has a good highlight reel...every single one of them.   If they had crappy highlight tapes, do you think they'd be recruited anywhere except Big Boy Fry Cook at Frisch's??

Come on man, I don't know how old you are...or if you played or whatever.  You definitely can't judge an incoming class until they make plays on the field.  You should know that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 11:34:56 AM
I do know that, thats why i said "can they come in and be players right away, i dont know that" Yes i do know every kid has a highlight tape but the plays i have seen a lot of them make in their highlight tapes are great! With that said, i don't think they are perfect. I know they are HIGHLIGHT tapes for a reason but you still have to make plays am i wrong?


As for MSJ going 7-3, we'll see. I don't think that will happen this year thats for sure. With a strong Offense that puts up points but also controls the game has the best chance to win, and i think MSJ has those traits. Their guarterback Vince Palmer, although undersized is a very productive QB. The running backs are solid and are young. The WR core lost Jones and Burrell but replaced one with the transfer Mooshegian kid. The Oline was solid last season and have beefed up even more this year along with new incoming players will be a strong point on this team.

I think the Defense is fine as MSJ, not the Baltimore Ravens of 2000 but more like the Bengals of 2001. Solid tacklers, big DLine, Solid and good sized linebackers that can move. Like i said DBs will be the weakest link but you never know, if any of the recruits come in and play well it could be one of their strongest positions with the most depth.

With that said, i am very close to the program, i have watched MSJ compete in all sports for years! The football team i play close attention too and with what i have seen they will be a serious D3 contender!!! They have had over 70 guys in there weight room lifting and running for over a month and a half now. These guys are dedicated and ready to get over the hump in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 06, 2008, 12:09:56 PM
you're right...7-3 is not correct. 

that would assume an HCAC team besides Franklin will rise up and beat them this year.  But with Defiance losing their QB and all-everything WR...not a chance. 

We'll see about getting over the hump...you'd think in previous years, they would have done it with better teams. 

BTW, I hope its not Mooshiegan or however you spell it.  In fact, someone on the PAC page came on there and said it wasn't. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 12:31:15 PM
It is Mooshegian, I did research on him as well as ask around the coaching staff. He played 2 years at Sacramento State and started at wide receiver. He then left Sacramento State and red shirted this past season. Not sure on the reasons why, family issues maybe. He was going to transfer to Cal Lutheran, a D3 school in southern California after he left Sacramento state but he decided to go to a Junior College and red shirt. He is about 5'11-6foot, 190 LBS, good sized kid with great hands. The only thing I'm worried about is his attitude. If he can come to MSJ and keep his mouth shut and just play and work hard then MSJ is getting a All Conference and maybe ALL AMERICAN WR. He was All conference In the Big Sky as a true freshman. Impressive. We will see how he pans out. I am looking forward to watching him compete at MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 06, 2008, 02:58:28 PM
thats exactly what I mean.  If you guys have another Rashon Lewis there, then your team is in deep, deep do-do. 

Thats exactly what the rumor was when he was looking to transfer out of Sac St. last year..

I hope its wrong, because I'd hate to see Huber go through that twice..

Does anyone have anything else to add besides HCAC talk?  This stuff is boring in March..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 06, 2008, 03:21:57 PM
If this kid is so good, why is he transferring to MSJ?  Why not DI or DII school?
On regards to taking NCAA III by storm, I would agree MSJ is going to field another good team this year, but they'll have a lot to prove to be a DIII contender.  They have to first knock of Franklin and regain that crown before even worring about being a contender.
SaintsFan- very good point about DC.  It has me worring some about what kind of team they'll put on the field this year.  Hopefully someone in the QB postion will step up & do some damage. At least they open up against Muskingum who they should be able to beat & allow the new QB to get their feet wet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
I guess his girlfriend lives in Cincinnati. That might be the decision he isnt going to a D1 or 2 school. Heard he was offered out of High school to Akron. Also offered by D2 Chadron State after he left Sacramento. Guess him and his GF are pretty serious then.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 06, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
The Sacramento State player had one blowup, and as far as can tell, that's it.  Happened in the course of a hot game, and if you play the foosbah long enough is bound to happen.

As for leaving Sacramento State, his pops was the head coach during his time there and his exodus coincides with both moving on from that school.

Should think that bit of trivia bodes well as coaches sons, whether high school or college, tend to have a little extra polish to their game.

Franklin has seen a transfer running back transition to wide receiver, and wouldn't be surprised to see maybe a little of the vice versa situation with the aforementioned transfer wide receiver.  Think he will be a stubborn and tenacious blocker as a wide receiver as this was the scenario of the blowup if recall correctly.

As for a girlfriend in Cincinatti, hopefully this isn't a distraction.  Women can weaken legs or they can be an inspiration.  Here's a vote for the muse.  Just leave all the, "I'm a Division 1 all conference player" - baggage in Sacramento and be as blue collar and good a teammate as can be.  The little things, like blocking wide receivers, are how championships are won.

signed,
Coughlin and Nepotism = Brady 3-1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 09:19:33 PM
Yeah I saw that as well, one blowup is bound to happen in the course of battle. From what I have heard he is a tremendous blocker. I saw his highlight tape. He blocked Boise State starting saftey Marty Tadman into the ground! Should make for an interesting year in the HCAC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 07, 2008, 11:09:42 AM
Kevin, I never said MSJ was going to get away from running the ball, but the offense has the most experience comming back due to injuries last year and the youth that had to play and will have to carry the team at times.

MSJ has added Lakeland (IBC) to their schedule. Lakeland hasn't had a losing season since 2001 and 4 of the last 5 years has finished 1st or 2nd in the IBC. The IBC has been a worse conference than the HCAC the last couple of years, but MSJ has to travel to Wisconsin. Lakeland, Franklin, and TMC will be MSJ's big tests this year. 7-3 is a possibility since no other team this year poses a legitimate threat as well as 10-0.

MSJ was a fumbled TD away from possibly beating Franklin last year and finishing 10-0. That game will be another all out fist fight. I think MSJ is slightly better than TMC...another fist fight and I don't really know about Lakeland other than the fact, they do decent in a decent conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 07, 2008, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: MacLeod on March 06, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
Just leave all the, "I'm a Division 1 all conference player" - baggage in Sacramento and be as blue collar and good a teammate as can be. 

Quote from: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 09:19:33 PM
He blocked Boise State starting saftey Marty Tadman into the ground!

Leave it in California.

Or Idaho, or wherever.

Football's still a game of what have you done for me lately. 

:-X

signed,
Kurosawa
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 07, 2008, 11:59:46 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you! I feel the same way! I'm sure he will leave it all and come into MSJ with a good attitude. We will see. As for me I was just saying what I saw.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:36:10 PM
FYI,

Marty Turdman said he slipped on that play...

Enjoy the snow.

See you in Church, Adam
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 07, 2008, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: LionsDen on March 06, 2008, 09:19:33 PM
I saw his highlight tape. He blocked Boise State starting saftey Marty Tadman into the ground! Should make for an interesting year in the HCAC

Sorry to beat a
dead horse w/ a stick, but I hope you aren't saying that b/c of this kid it will make it an interesting year in the HCAC.  At this point I'm expecting this kid to be an all american before he even plays a snap at MSJ. 

Sayer- it is good to see that MSJ added another solid nonconference opponent to their schedule.  I would have liked to see DC do the same, but as I mentioned before adding Muskingum to the schedule didn't really improve them as a team. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on March 07, 2008, 01:51:06 PM
I was saying the competition will be interesting to watch in the HCAC. Should make for a great season. I am Bias towards MSJ but i do love watching them compete and bust their butts for 60 min against a worthy opponent.

All American or not, should help the team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 08, 2008, 10:00:55 AM
This snow is crazy. I don't ever remember seeing this much since I've been alive. back in 3rd or 4th grade, we got like 8-9 inches and the trees were coated in ice, but we have about 8-9 inches now and it's still snowing like crazy. I spent 2 hours shoveling last night to give myself a chance to get out and about...shouldn't have even worried about it.

I pancaked a DIII All-American on 4th and 1 and we got the first running over my backside...who cares. Come in, be a cog in the offense and make it more efficient...that's what being successful and good NOW is all about.


Kevin, my buddy still plays in the Flag football leagues out in Fairfield. They have a WR, who was on the Bills practice squad last year. Where they found him...I have no clue, but I played with them a few weeks back and got to see one of the best catches ever. He jumped about 35 inches in the air and palmed the ball in double coverage. It was sick. All this talk of WR's made me think of it. You get some pretty good football players in the CCFL, even in the lower divisions. There are about 5 who I played with during my brief time with The Marshals.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 08, 2008, 10:24:34 AM
Sayer:

All of us "old guys" remember this kind of winter.  This one is like the old fashioned mid-West winters (and in Michigan) that we always had.  We've all gotten spoiled by the lighter winters of recent years.  However, as a kid, I remember the horrible winter blizzards of 1967, and later, those of 1977 and 1978 (in 1977, Hope's campus was closed for the first time in it's 140 year history and again this year in January due to a snowstorm for only the second time).  I always remember though, that in about the first week of March, there was always a thaw with Floriday type weather to where everyone on campus was going around in shorts - but we always had a major "blast" of a snowstorm after that in late March or April.

All that being said, I agree with you - I, too, am tired of shoveling and snowblowing this snow at least once and sometimes twice per day.  Bring on spring and the nice weather!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 09, 2008, 07:58:09 PM
I can remmber the Winter of O5' and I was coming back from Alabama with my old man in a semi helping him with a job on X-mass eve and it took 30hrs to get home when we got caught in a Snow storm that dumped 10-12 inches of snow and ice.

Boy did that suck I didn't make home until 3:00 am on the 24th of Dec
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 09, 2008, 07:59:57 PM
Dam, UC is getting their A$$ kick by U Conn
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2008, 09:13:22 PM
We did get a lot that time. I went out at my buddy's and measured it. He had 10 inches. The sad part is, it's half melted after 1 day of sun and 40 degree temps.

Here's a good read if your interested in wrestling. It's about the 149 pound weight class in the Big Ten Tournament. It features 7 of the top 11 wrestlers in the country at the weight and the 7th seed in the Big Ten tournament is a returning NCAA Runner-Up at 141 last year (Ryan Lang...who was also a 4X Ohio State Champion at St. Ed's). The 3rd seed was an NCAA Champ as a freshman and placed 3rd last year (Dustin Schlatter...also a 4x Ohio State Champ from Massilon Perry).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3277633
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2008, 11:19:05 PM
Adam: If you lay your hands on it, could you put on this thread a video of Metcalf's better match or matches for us to enjoy? Sounds as if he is a genetic freak from a conditioning standpoint.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 10, 2008, 12:41:08 AM
Adam: Never mind. Found a number of examples of Metcalf's wrestling on youtube.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 10, 2008, 08:34:20 AM
Fairfield flag leagues?  I thought Western Hills was "the spot"??

Talking about the snow...I drove straight home on friday and put my car in the garage.  I had a helluva time (rear wheel drive) getting home on Friday and so I put in a garage until yesterday afternoon.   If it snows like that next winter, I'm going to be pissed....as its undriveable for me now. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 10, 2008, 06:30:57 PM
Here's a funny story. I'm taking Master's courses at Xavier and we have our midterm test on Thursday. Last week, my buddy asks the teacher to slow down because he is finally understanding what the teacher is saying and is taking notes to study. The teacher's reply: "You need to get with the program." And he keeps on at the same pace.

I almost fell on the ground laughing...I was in tears...my buddy...he had a look on his face like he was going to go all Satanic on the Priest. I can't believe he kept his cool.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 11, 2008, 08:12:51 AM
MSJ wrestler @ 149 lbs takes runner up at Nationals this past weekend.

It was the highest finish for and Individual or Team for that matter to end a season on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 11, 2008, 02:50:22 PM
Those Elder boys have been machines on the Mat. Elder finished 4th in the state, Tommy Pretty and Orlando Scales were both State Champs, and Spence took 2nd at Nationals (Elder grad).

Not only is JPC a football God in Cincinnati...He's worshiped by the girls in my 8th grade class who play volleyball and go to his workout place in Mason.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 12, 2008, 07:23:14 AM
He is a True Living Legend
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 13, 2008, 06:53:37 AM
Hey fellas (including victory, formerd3db, Adam),

Thanks for the thoughts during the process that I just had to do. 

I made it through that thing, unscathed....and the truth prevailed. 

Onward and upward...

Go Saints (2008 wishlist--PAC Champs, undefeated and playoff host)


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 13, 2008, 06:58:27 AM
Did you guys see they gave a guy a teaching job who had previously been accused of transgressions against kids 3 times??  After the third accusation 18 months ago, he was fired.  He sued for wrongful termination and won on Monday.  But get this...not only does he get his $75,000 a year job back, he also gets 18 months of backpay.  When asked about sticking the guy back behind a pulpit, one of these dummy officials said something to the effect....well if he's going to get paid teacher money, he might as well teach and not work in the warehouse.

Un-freaking-believable

BTW, even though I didn't see it live and in person....I still think JPC's most memorable (off the field) play, was "The Headbutt Heard 'round Madison, IN" back in 1993.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 13, 2008, 07:36:28 AM
Where was this at? As dumb as I think this is, the school screwed up by terminating him ASAP. You have to give him paid leave and launch an investiagtion. You can't go around terminating people just because you're accused. I know it has been multiple times, but here's a true story involving myspace as the reason why schools and other companies (police, etc.) put you on paid leave first.

Some girls were upset at a grade they received in a class taught by a male teacher. To get back at the teacher, they launched a myspace account using a fake email address and a picture they had of him from the school website. Using the myspace account, the girls added friends and send derogatory messages to one another (made it appear the teacher was sending the messages to them). After some time, they reported the account to the principal...you can imagine the uproar around the community. They launched an investigation while the guy was on PAID LEAVE, and found out the whole thing was made up...he got his job back, but obviously, his reputation was shattered.

By the way...this wasn't me. Even though this guy is a scumbag, you have to follow precedure because now, the school is screwed because they have to keep a probable child molester.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 13, 2008, 09:34:20 AM
SaintsFAN  is refuring to the CPS teacher, and think his first indicment dates all the way back to the early 80's
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 13, 2008, 09:39:12 AM
I HATE OGTs  >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2008, 12:56:08 PM
SaintsFAN:

That is great and congratulations.  Thanks for updating us on that difficult situation you had to endure.  I (and I'm sure our other colleagues) kept you in prayer regarding that, and I am relieved (although that obiviously can't even compare to as much as your own relief ;)) that you were exonerated in such a frivilous  and mean-spirited accusation.  Although life throws us some nasty and very trying situations on many occasions, indeed, the TRUTH prevails in the end.  It has to, and you know that "the Man upstairs" will eventually see to that somehow, someway.  Again, congrats and now you can "get on with your life" in a new and fresh, exciting way. 

All the best to you,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 13, 2008, 01:18:56 PM
I've been busy and haven't watched the news in a while...but I do know the difference between one of SaintsFan's 7 diamond girls and Macke's 3 diamond girls...Sophistication!!!!! ;D

It's hard being a male teacher because once you're accused, even if your as innocent as day, you'll always be guilty. At Deer Park, a teacher left in the middle of the year due to pressure from the BOE. A girl accused him of looking at her in a seductive way. The girl's dad came to the school and had to be restrained from beating the teacher's a$$. DP investigated the matter and found that the teacher was clean. The BOE, however, as a result of pressure by some community members and threat of being sued by the girls parents, pressured the teacher. He was demoted grade levels and was constantly being "observed" by school superiors. The BOE finally got what they wanted.

When I was at Bethel, there was a press clipping about a teacher who was fired for messing with the HS girls. He claimed he was innocent but the school found otherwise and fired him, plus he and the school were sued for a handsome sum of money. This guy finally committed suicide because he knew that he would never be able to teach and be a respected person...the problem was he REALLY was innocent and the girl(s) came clean after they found out he killed himself.

I do know you have idiots who fool around with students and some pretty bad things happen, but as a male teacher, its tough. You have to be on top of everything. Is all it takes is for 1 girl student to claim you gave her an awkward glance and you're f*cked!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 13, 2008, 01:37:17 PM
I think it is hard being a teacher, male or female.  Teachers can be accused of anything that can ruin their career. 
Sometimes you can be accused of some of the most outrageous things as a teacher.  I was actually accused of being to mean :D.  It was very hard from not laughing in the parents face.  I did admit to being a strict teacher & that I believe in students have to be responsible for their actions.  Then I showed the parent their daughter's grade of a 32% w/ 11 missing assignments, said thank you very coming to see me & walked away. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 14, 2008, 08:57:53 AM
It is hard for that student to be responsible when their parents don't want to take responsiblilty for their kids failing.....So they accuse you of being to mean.


Ohh how wise we could smack the kids around like the good old days.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 14, 2008, 10:53:01 AM
Ironic b/c of recent converstation, but last night I was watching the news about an administrator that has been transferred b/c of inappropriate acts w/ a high school student.  The school district (Los Angeles Unified) couldn't prove anything b/c the student had turned 18 & wouldn't cooperate w/ authorities.  The principal was transferred to a middle school & was just arrested of kidnapping & sexual assult of a 13 year old.

It's waste of space people like this that make it difficult for all teachers.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2008, 10:53:54 PM
Macke...what's the outlook for next year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 17, 2008, 08:04:31 AM
Well, I just applied for a job at Mercy High School.  Harrison High School has a guy retiering in SS and the PE job that I have is going to be open next year, but there is no word on either of them.

I don't know right now, I'm just being patient right now I guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 17, 2008, 08:18:29 AM
There is going to be a Coaching opening at Turpin HS.  A buddy of mine was their Defensive Coordinator and just had twins.  He's out because of the time involved with raising two kids.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 17, 2008, 03:02:51 PM
What does he teach?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 18, 2008, 07:46:13 AM
Brenton Eisnhard dad's coaches and teaches there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 18, 2008, 07:46:45 AM
I wonder what  he had been up to lately?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 18, 2008, 12:51:05 PM
 He teaches history.  He's keeping that job...but the coaching is done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 18, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
Forest Hills school district always has openings and is a very good paying district. I'm sure more will open up.

I broke my nose and have a huge gash on my nose and eye from playing flag football last night. The kids have been giving me hell and the teachers think I'm covering up a crazy St. Patty's Day bar fight. I didn't think I could get any uglier...I was wrong. The other guy doesn't look as bad, but he was knocked out and spent about 30 seconds crawing around on the turf.

Tyrelle Pryor has narrowed his choice to 2 schools. He wouldnt say which two, but an informent said it was Ohio State and Michigan because he never took visits to Penn State or Oregon. He also said he thinks it will end up being Ohio State. The decision is supposed to be made sometime this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on March 18, 2008, 02:02:28 PM
I personally just wish Tyrelle Pryor would make up his mind and get out of the spot light.  I wasn't recruited highly and never really had any type of fanfare like the kids go through, but this whole fiasco has made me really leary of the type of kid he is.  He might turn out to be  really big deal and be a great kid.  It just seems kind of unnessecary to me that this has be drawn out and be such a big deal.

I blame the media just as much, but at the same time, for a kid who says he doesn't want to be in the spotligh, he sure nows how to get in front camera and make a big deal of things. 

Hopefully for his sake as well as the school(even if it is OSU) he chooses it works out and he is a great player. 

Damn has it been slow lately, we need to figure out something to talk about.  I have to waste time some how.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 18, 2008, 04:15:19 PM
He put everything off because he wanted to concentrate on basketball and didn't want the recruiting process to effect his team...they won the state championship on Saturday and on Sunday/Monday said he was ready to make a commitment.

It was reported the day before signing day that he was set to sign with Ohio State. Since, after he didn't make the decision, it seems like Ohio State was still his choice, but he wanted to concentrate on basketball. Something tells me that maybe his basketball coach stepped in and asked him to put it off so it wouldn't effect the team...which, due to the way it is nowadays (media attention), would have occured. I think the talk of Penn State and Oregon were to keep the reporters at bay.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 18, 2008, 04:28:45 PM
Pryor is suppose to make his pick Wednesday at noon.  I media is basically saying he will choose OSU which I do too b/c that was where he was going to choose in the first place b4 his father made him take another look at PSU.  All the best to him anyway.  U of M will have to do a great job picking someone up for next year to run RichRod's offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 18, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
Sounds like OSU sold their sould for another national championship  AKA  "I'm a fine citizen" Clarret
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 18, 2008, 08:54:13 PM
let's hope the level of competition being so pathetic in the pittsburgh muni leagues don't hurt pryor in the big ten. something tells me his athleticism will cover up for playing against the brothers of the unwanted gang though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 18, 2008, 09:33:20 PM
I wonder how he's going to like being a back-up or redshirting as a freshman. Antonio Henton out of Atlanta, Georgia is supposed to be a freak athlete and QB. Talk before the end of the Championship game was Boeckmann was going to be wearing the headset again next year watching Henton tear it up on the field.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 18, 2008, 10:25:24 PM
I believe that Pryor being a back-up his freshman year was understood through the recruiting process.  Also I think that is an excellent idea for a qb to get to learn the system his first year then battle for the #1 spot their next year during spring ball.  If he goes to Michigan he will be thrown to the wolves right away & will only have a few months to learn a whole offense. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 19, 2008, 07:39:14 AM
I thought Boeckmann transfered to somewhere school in Delaware b/c he wasn't being given an opportunity or some **** like that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 19, 2008, 07:42:17 AM
PS I thought I was going to have to swim to work today.  Every road in the E-town Cleves, and Miamitown area was closed.  I had to take a chance in My truck that has 33'' tires.  The floor boards got a little damp this Morning  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on March 19, 2008, 08:27:59 AM
M and L

This winter sure has been a really long and Sh*** one.  I just doesn't want to end. 

I can't even imagine things being flooded like that.  Up here where I am at we have lots of lakes, but it is pretty high ground, so it would have to be second coming of Noah for us to get significant flooding like you guys are having.  We get local flooding, but nothign wide spread like is happening down your way.  They said on the news last night that places in Southern ILL had gotten over 10, let me say that again, 10 INCHES of rain in about 36 hours.  Holy hell!

No matter where pyror chooses to go, I just hope it works out for him.  Ya never want to see someone fail, and beside, it is recruiting battle like this that help to keep rivalries healthy. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 19, 2008, 08:33:21 AM
Good morning,

I saw Noah building his ark in the parking lot of Ikea this morning.  

Sayer, you need to wear a helmet.  Not just on the flag football field.  

Boeckman has indeed transfered to THE Delaware University.  Complete with Michigan-like helmets AND the place where John Flacco (2nd QB to be taken in April) played.  He's going to be playing for ex-Rowan Head Coach, KC Keeler.

(competition level in Pitt Muni Leagues/Thrown to wolves)
I wouldnt call it being thrown to the Wolves had Pryor gone to Michigan, its not like the conference has been tearing it up lately defensively.  Hell even Wisconsin had to FIRE their defensive coordinator after giving up something like seven 30 pt games.   For example, look at what Juice Williams and Illinois did this season.  Beating Ohio State AT Ohio Stadium?  Incredible if you ask me.  FYI i'm a huge Juice and Ilini fan bc of Coach Sigler being there, but they were exposed in the Rose Bowl.  The kid has alot to improve on to be one of the better spread option QBs, but he was good enough for the Illini to win the Big 10.  

Now...I also think Tressel has sold out again on this one, just like someone said with Clarett.  It will be interesting to see A. if they get caught B. what happens if/when they do.

M&L,
And we'll see the same families on the TV that refuse to move their residences away from the Miami River in Miamitown, but are still so upset that its happening AGAIN. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 19, 2008, 11:16:02 AM
Schoenhoft transferred to Delaware U.  Why would Boeckman need to transfer?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 19, 2008, 01:02:49 PM
Pryor chose OSU as I predicted.  Hopefully he is worth all of the hype that the media has presented about this kid.  He will be in a good situation getting the year to learn the offense & then take over his next.  This could be the piece to the puzzle that finally gets OSU another National Championship & not having them fall short. 
In regards to U of M, this hurts them in two ways.  1) OSU could have just become a much better team w/ Pryor 2) Mich doesn't have a qb to run Rodriguez's offense for at least another year.  I will have to say they may struggle this year & go 8-4 or even 7-5 unless someone really steps up their game at qb for U of M.  Time will tell!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 19, 2008, 01:15:25 PM
I wonder if Mallett is having second thoughts? ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 19, 2008, 02:27:56 PM
dc_has_been:

While U of M doesnt have a Terrele Pryor, they do have a serviceable zone spread qb.  Steven Threet from Adrian High School was a spread offense QB in highschool who was very good in terms of mobility, word out of Ann Arbor is that he looked pretty good running the offense in the spring game for whatever thats worth.  Time will tell how he pans out if at all, but its better than standing there holding no cards in the game. 

On top of that its worth nothing that Rodriguez has been flexible in his offense, Shaun King was no big time running threat but he made it work at Tulane only more recently with Pat White did it become such an overwhelmingly run first position and I think that owes more to the fact that Pat White isnt much of a QB as compared with a very good undersized athlete who happened to play QB.

As for Pryor, im not sold that getting that kid wouldve been the best thing for U of M or Ohio State for that matter, he seems to me to have bought into his own hype to much and the last thing either of those programs needs is a prima donna high school all american QB coming in thinking he is the king of the world. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 19, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
SaintsFAN:

Those residents chose not leave b/c they can't afford to nor can they find the time to get off there lazy ass and back their chit up
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 19, 2008, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 19, 2008, 11:16:02 AM
Schoenhoft transferred to Delaware U.  Why would Boeckman need to transfer?

you're right.  I had it wrong.  He may as well too, though.  From what my roomie says...Boeckman is done up there with Henton and now Pryor there..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 19, 2008, 05:30:20 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 19, 2008, 01:02:49 PM
Pryor chose OSU as I predicted.  Hopefully he is worth all of the hype that the media has presented about this kid.  He will be in a good situation getting the year to learn the offense & then take over his next.  This could be the piece to the puzzle that finally gets OSU another National Championship & not having them fall short. 
In regards to U of M, this hurts them in two ways.  1) OSU could have just become a much better team w/ Pryor 2) Mich doesn't have a qb to run Rodriguez's offense for at least another year.  I will have to say they may struggle this year & go 8-4 or even 7-5 unless someone really steps up their game at qb for U of M.  Time will tell!

The year before Rasheed Marshal took over at WVU and Rich Rod was in this same position, the Mountainqueers won 3 games with a dismal Big East schedule. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 20, 2008, 08:03:26 AM
rich rod can run the same offense from pro personnel, he did it at tulane with great success. he'll play to his team's strengths, he is smart. he may not run option, but play action and boots will be key.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 20, 2008, 09:27:25 AM
My suspicion is that like most coaches Rodriquez will not sacrifice very much of the present in order to invest in the future.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 20, 2008, 11:56:24 AM
I think Michigan will be 8-4 this year with a surprising loss to Notre Dame. 

I think he needs a year or two for his guys to get there.  They played a TOTALLY different style of ball than he wants to play.  He'll get his kids in there and they will go 10-2 almost yearly, losing to Ohio State.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 20, 2008, 12:39:41 PM
My crystal ball is much cloudier than yours.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2008, 08:25:15 PM
What if he struggles and his first 2-3 years are 8-4/9-3 years with Bowl losses and losses to OSU? Will he get a chance to get his guys or will he be kept on a short leash?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 21, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
Historically Michigan is patient with its coaches.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 21, 2008, 08:02:04 AM
Quote from: frank uible on March 21, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
Historically Michigan is patient with its coaches.

Except when drunk and disorderly in suburban Oakland County   ;)

Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2008, 08:25:15 PM
What if he struggles and his first 2-3 years are 8-4/9-3 years with Bowl losses and losses to OSU?  

Self-assuredness, especially when quenched with cherry kool-aid, is an admirable trait.  However, a few who are longer in tooth, personally witnessed from the stands November 1969 (Ann Arbor) and October 1974 (East Lansing), even "unbeatable" Buckeye juggernauts have been stuffed (Champ Henson, 4 successive times inside the MSU 3).  Even lowly Wisconsin, pre-Alvarez, proved a thorny obstacle on the Horseshoe pitch on occasion.  Given Coach Tressel's latest appearances in bowls, cautious optimism might be more appropriate.  ;D ;D ;D  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 23, 2008, 10:10:59 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3307484

Ohio State finishes as the National Runner up in another sport. Only this time, it's the best finish in team history and in wrestling, there is never any shame in getting beat by Iowa and finishing ahead of Oklahoma State and Minnesota. They had 2 National Champions. Jeff Jaggers (Bedford St. Peter Chanel and was a 4x Ohio State Champ) and Mike Pucillo and a National runner up who lost in OT in JD Bergman. Wonderful year by the Buckeyes and they will be a contender next year for a National Championship...so long as Iowa doesn't go back to being the Dan Gable Iowa teams of the 70's and 80's. The midwest has the best wrestling in the country as evident by the top 3 teams being from the Big 10 and of those states, Ohio has the best overall HS wrestling of any state in the US and Coach Ryan is finally keeping Ohio wrestlers home. Look on Minnesota's, Penn State's, Michigan's, Iowa's rosters and you'll see more kids from Ohio than any other state.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 23, 2008, 02:39:29 PM
Pennsylvanians would dispute the claim that Ohio is the best high school wrestling state.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 23, 2008, 03:29:33 PM
They are pretty good too, but the depth of Ohio wrestling is ubelievable. I believe over 450 high schools have wrestling programs in Ohio (approx. 150 per division). I don't know Penn's number, but when you have all that depth and places like Minnesota (Schlatter Brothers), Michigan (Guhn), Penn State (Wade), and the OSU's top heavy local roster back it up. Purdue recruits Ohio hard as well. Even the depth in small college wrestling in Ohio is impressive....I am also biased.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 23, 2008, 07:27:09 PM
I think M U has a lot of hope and investment in old Richie just to cut him lose after a few yrs of 8-3 and 9-2 seasons with bowl appearences and loses to OSU to just **** can him.

Sayer not only are you biase, you are also gay ;)  Happy Easter
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 23, 2008, 07:42:42 PM
Only when you're around  ;D

When is your batchelor party?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 25, 2008, 12:17:30 PM
I don't know, You'll have to ask Lawless, the Poweski's, and Hoss.  Their supposedly taking care of it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 25, 2008, 12:18:29 PM
Ah, boy do I love spring Break
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 25, 2008, 01:11:35 PM
Speaking of Spring Break, a group of us just reserved our rooms for Put in Bay for the first weekend of June....from what I hear, this is an adult spring break...never been before.

Thoughts?

BTW, M&L....you better set aside some bail money for everyone if Lawless is in charge of anything besides what flavor beer to get in the keg, ..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 25, 2008, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on March 25, 2008, 01:11:35 PM
Speaking of Spring Break, a group of us just reserved our rooms for Put in Bay for the first weekend of June....from what I hear, this is an adult spring break...never been before.

Thoughts?

No experience during the first week of June, much less lately, but back a few decades, it was "wild as h*ll" on both Memorial and Labor Day weekends as were the boat rides from Locust Point and Catawba/Marblehead.  Trips back dominated by chum slicks.  Regret that never flew over on an old Ford Tri-motor.

signed,

Married to a former Meier's Wine Wench  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 25, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
Sayer, quick question.  How did Pucillo win the 184 pound title?

By my count the score was tied 3-3 at the end of the third overtime.  Is riding time a criteria in collegiate wrestling?  Or was that little hip toss Pucillo pulled at the end of the third ovetime counted a takedown.

All the scoring, escapes from chosen down position, left something to be desired for the fans of wrasslin' offense.  Pucillo was definitely more in control of the match, but those standing Gramby Rolls the Cyclone kept hitting were nasty. 

Varner had to be the tallest 184 have ever seen.  Word is the Cyclone will move up to 197 next year.  Will Pucillo bump down a weight class next year when the CMU wrestler, who beat him last year, returns from his Olympic redshirt year?

signed,
Fadzaev
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 26, 2008, 08:23:04 AM
it's called riding time
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2008, 01:37:30 PM

Funny,  Thats how I spend my Weekends  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2008, 02:58:44 PM
I haven't seen the matches yet. I know who won, but I have them recorded at home...I'm in TN for the week. But, yeah, they do have riding time in college. The person I'm impressed with is Jaggers. There is no way in hell I would have ever picked him to win it. He has a funky style and can score from any positioon and is exceptionally good in scrambles, but I wouldn't have put him in the national championship conversations....until now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 26, 2008, 03:36:19 PM
where are you in TN, Sayer? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2008, 05:05:16 PM
Murfreesboro...40 minutes east of Nashville
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on March 27, 2008, 01:34:13 AM
All this talk about Pryor going to OSU, which obviously is huge...

But what about this kid from Texas named Sam McGuffie going to Michigan?  I heard a lot about him this last fall but haven't heard much since.  Anyone else heard of him?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 27, 2008, 08:16:21 AM
OR, has_been, what about the 3 year starting offensive lineman that RichRod ran off?  Whats the story behind that?  Rumor has it, his brother was signed-sealed-delivered to Ann Arbor being a top 10 recruit as an OL. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 27, 2008, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 23, 2008, 10:10:59 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3307484

Ohio State finishes as the National Runner up in another sport. Only this time, it's the best finish in team history and in wrestling, there is never any shame in getting beat by Iowa and finishing ahead of Oklahoma State and Minnesota. They had 2 National Champions. Jeff Jaggers (Bedford St. Peter Chanel and was a 4x Ohio State Champ) and Mike Pucillo and a National runner up who lost in OT in JD Bergman. Wonderful year by the Buckeyes and they will be a contender next year for a National Championship...so long as Iowa doesn't go back to being the Dan Gable Iowa teams of the 70's and 80's. The midwest has the best wrestling in the country as evident by the top 3 teams being from the Big 10 and of those states, Ohio has the best overall HS wrestling of any state in the US and Coach Ryan is finally keeping Ohio wrestlers home. Look on Minnesota's, Penn State's, Michigan's, Iowa's rosters and you'll see more kids from Ohio than any other state.

There is not a single wrestler on the Iowa roster from Ohio or Pennsylvania and 27/38 are from the state of Iowa. That includes 7/10 of the regular starters. The other three are from Michigan (Metcalf), Oklahoma (Perry) and Utah (Keddy).  With Iowa's smaller population I would say they their high school wrestling would rank with any other states out there.  But I am biased just like you are.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2008, 11:39:15 AM
That O-lineman is from Pickerington, OH. Where Lindsey went to school. He is supposed to be a badass. Any news on where he's headed?

He wants different players than what he has. I don't agree with running guys off just because they don't fit into your program but different coaches have different philosophies. In his eyes, he may do better in the long run by suffering a bad season or two playing young players who fit into his scheme. You do have to wonder why none of these guys are sticking around. Being loyal to a coach is one thing, but the number of kids who have left is cause for concern.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2008, 12:13:49 PM
In the Big 10, there are 47 wrestlers from Ohio High Schools. Majority (25-26) are on OSU's team. Throw in the 3-4 guys on a very good Central Michigan team from Ohio and kids on the teams at Ohio U and Cleveland State. Ohio is very well represented. Ohio HS's accounted for 3 of the 10 National Champions and 2 runner ups. 1/4 of the finalists comming from 1 state is pretty impressive. Below that are guys like Lance Palmer, Dustin and CP Schlatter, and Ryan Lang among others. Ohio State also has a kid comming in from Austintown Fitch in Youngstown, OH (Tony Jameson) who was a 4x Ohio State Champ. He is the real deal. Kind of reminds you of Dustin Schlatter in HS the way he beat people...Dustin Schlatter was a National Champ as a Freshman.

To win in Ohio, you have to beat more competition than almost any other state. Sometimes that competition overall isn't very good, but when you have to be better than 130-150 kids as opposed to 60-70, chances are, you're going to be a better wrestler than a kid comming from a state with a smaller representation. Not always, but most times. Iowa is good. They win and win with a lot of homegrown talent. Every wrestler in Iowa grows up dreaming of stepping on the mat in Carver-Hawkeye Arena. In Ohio, you have Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and even Iowa.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 27, 2008, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2008, 12:13:49 PM
In the Big 10, there are 47 wrestlers from Ohio High Schools. Majority (25-26) are on OSU's team. Throw in the 3-4 guys on a very good Central Michigan team from Ohio and kids on the teams at Ohio U and Cleveland State. Ohio is very well represented. Ohio HS's accounted for 3 of the 10 National Champions and 2 runner ups. 1/4 of the finalists comming from 1 state is pretty impressive. Below that are guys like Lance Palmer, Dustin and CP Schlatter, and Ryan Lang among others. Ohio State also has a kid comming in from Austintown Fitch in Youngstown, OH (Tony Jameson) who was a 4x Ohio State Champ. He is the real deal. Kind of reminds you of Dustin Schlatter in HS the way he beat people...Dustin Schlatter was a National Champ as a Freshman.

To win in Ohio, you have to beat more competition than almost any other state. Sometimes that competition overall isn't very good, but when you have to be better than 130-150 kids as opposed to 60-70, chances are, you're going to be a better wrestler than a kid comming from a state with a smaller representation. Not always, but most times. Iowa is good. They win and win with a lot of homegrown talent. Every wrestler in Iowa grows up dreaming of stepping on the mat in Carver-Hawkeye Arena. In Ohio, you have Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and even Iowa.

Well said, Mr. Sayer.

On a football note.  Has anyone heard anything coming out of Hanover for how they think Joe Austin will do there???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 27, 2008, 02:52:03 PM
Hanover?

Ya, they suck!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 28, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
This Austin guy seems to have success wherever he goes. Saintsfan works with some guys from Hanover and they claim they relaxed the academic standards to help the athletic program and Coach Perry is working in the Athletic Department. It would suprising to me if Hanover didn't make a comeback. Will they be the perennial bad asses in years past, who knows, but I would venture a guess they will be a solid team within 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 28, 2008, 12:28:55 PM
The AD over here at Harrison is on some kind of Atheletic/Academic Board at Hanover and he said the academic requirments are still pretty much the same.  All I know is that he wasn't that pleased with them
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 28, 2008, 12:30:06 PM
Hey

Did DIII basketball have there final 4 yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 28, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
sure did....I know because Thomas More's women's team (which could beat the men's team) went undefeated in the regular season, but then lost in the 2nd round.  They were HOSTING their part of the tourney as a reward for not losing during the regular season. 

Two straight years they've made the tourney only to be turned away by the end of the first weekend.


How in the hell would a guy from Harrison's school system be on the Academics Board at Hanover??  Do they not take academics seriously at Hanover ?   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 28, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
SaintsFan- the OL that left had mentioned something about family values declining on the team since Carr had left.  It seems since Rodriguez has started at UofM he has some kind of God complex of some sort.  I am only making an inference, but I really hope he isn't tarnishing the programs name.  The last think I would want to see happen is Michigan's name being at the same depths of, lets say Miami.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 28, 2008, 03:46:44 PM
We will have to wait and see. All I know is he has players jumping ship like they're on the Titanic.

My sister claims her boyfriend makes $100,000 year being a store manager at Wal-Mart. I asked what other lies he was claiming as truths.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2008, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: M and L on March 28, 2008, 12:30:06 PM
Hey

Did DIII basketball have there final 4 yet?

Hey -- there's this great Web site called D3hoops.com that might have covered something like that. Check it out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 28, 2008, 09:29:47 PM
d3hoops.com, basketball.

never heard of either, next you are going to tell me there is a sport called baseball too.   when does football camp start!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 28, 2008, 10:17:25 PM
NFL has already started their "optional" workouts. ESPN was making a huge deal out of the fact that Chad and TJ weren't in camp.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 28, 2008, 10:34:45 PM
Ohio State has scheduled a home and home with Tennessee as opening games in 2018 and 2019.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 29, 2008, 12:05:11 PM
Macke, how's Werger's baby boy doing? I wanted to send him a message via facebook but he deleted his account. Lindsey told me she got your wedding invitation the other day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 31, 2008, 08:24:33 AM
The kid was like 2 wks early 7lbs something.  He had a FAT head and BIG hands

Christy is doing fine
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 31, 2008, 01:50:13 PM
This is taking "The Red River Rivalry" to a new low...

http://newsok.com/article/3221404
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 31, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
I think that Wergers guy works with me at TQL.... there was an announcement about his and others first day a few weeks ago....I ignored it because it said "played football at Mount St. Joe"  ;D


BTW, we're up to 14 ex-Thomas More football players/alums...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 31, 2008, 03:42:08 PM
60 stitches to repair a torn scrotum, ouch!!! :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 01, 2008, 12:03:13 PM
Low...in more ways than one. Normally you hit a mn in the jaw. Kind of gives the term "reach out and touch somebody" new meaning.

A man like me would have only required about 10 stitches  ;D

Good to hear the baby and everyone is doing well. Lindsey said Wergers will be living in his parent's basement with Christy and the kid...his brother will be living in the other basement room with his girlfriend...who coincidently already has a kid and twins on the way. That's 4 adults and 4 little kids getting all crazy in 1 parent's basement. Pad up the walls.

Saintsfan, if Werges was hired, I'm sure he won't have a problem doing the 3 Saturdays/month thing...he may even stay the whole day. And Sundays too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 01, 2008, 12:45:19 PM
Ya Steve said he was getting a new job.  In fact he said he was going to start his own bussiness

He was going to start a day care in the basement.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 01, 2008, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on April 01, 2008, 12:03:13 PM

Good to hear the baby and everyone is doing well. Lindsey said Wergers will be living in his parent's basement with Christy and the kid...his brother will be living in the other basement room with his girlfriend...who coincidently already has a kid and twins on the way. That's 4 adults and 4 little kids getting all crazy in 1 parent's basement. Pad up the walls.


Jesus....these guys skip the contraceptive part of Sex Ed?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 01, 2008, 01:29:48 PM
Nope, just very religous I guess. 

Pull and PRaY Method.

Yey, 200
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on April 02, 2008, 09:31:19 AM
To all TMC alumni that visit this site I thought I would take a second to let you know that Jim Hilvert and the rest of the coaching staff are putting together the first annual TMC Football Golf Outing on May 31 at Twin Oaks Golf Course.  If anyone wants information such as former players, alumni or even former MSJ players who played for Hilvert and wanting to help him out please visit www.TMCfootball.com where you can find out all the information.  If anyone wants information on here just reply and leave your e-mail address and I will send something to you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 02, 2008, 01:35:14 PM
where is twin oaks golf course?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 02, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
What this that I hear Chris Henry is in trouble with the law again?  A student of mine mentioned it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 02, 2008, 02:36:25 PM
nah, just expired license plates.  I got the same issue going on right now...just haven't made it to Cincy to reknew yet.   CHenry just got caught..

Twin Oaks is in Covington an exit east of the exit for Dickmanns, and then you take the road down the hill into Latonia..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 02, 2008, 02:39:52 PM
You know ESPN and some other places will make a big deal out of it.

The Park has a few players committed to play at TMC next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on April 02, 2008, 02:42:04 PM
macke just go to the TMC website that is listed in the post above  and go to the link that has the golf brochure.  It has directions from the West Side of Cincinnati.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 02, 2008, 02:48:19 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on April 02, 2008, 02:39:52 PM
The Park has a few players committed to play at TMC next year.

****($hit), I was hoping to be contenders in the PAC, Sayer   :D

But seriously, if ESPN is going to make a big deal out of that, they must be really good recruits as ESPN only pays attention to D3 if there's a 65 year old playing QB or something.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 03, 2008, 08:01:26 AM
Speaking of ESPN...did you see the phone interview with Chad Jonhson reacting to Marvin Lewis's commit on him.  Boy did ever bad mouth the hell out of Marvin and the organization making him look like a complete A$$.  Chad did bring up one good pt though.  He said at least Marvin hasn't had to any bullets for him for getting in trouble with the law.    Well He is as good as Gone

Then Chris Henry turns himself in for on a warrent for his arrest.

Well, there goes are season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 03, 2008, 08:28:53 AM
its like those two moderfukas are racing to see who can get kicked out of Cincinnati the fastest. 

::)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 03, 2008, 01:28:26 PM
I meant ESPn would make a big deal of Chris Henry.

I wanted Chad to be traded before this past season. Once he started making a deal of not being able to celebrate, the snow ball was rolling. We need defensive help and trading him would deliver it if the organization would get their heads from their a$$ and make a beneficial deal...but this is the Bengals we're talking about.

What I would like to see is Palmer, Housch, and some others step up and be a team and confront Chad Johnson. Say it publicly that he's out of line, needs to keep his mouth shut, and to learn to be a good teamate. Don't beat around the bush...tell it like it is.

What would be nice is to put him on the practice squad until his contract expires and don't let him see the field. He wants to be the "best" and he  needs an audience. Take it away from him...see how he likes life when he's on the sh!t squad and the first teamers and knocking the p!ss out of him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 03, 2008, 01:38:27 PM
Sayer, couldn't agree with you more

This just in Chris Henry is released by the Bengals.

Maybe with losing those two shiit heads karma might bounce are way and Odel Thurman and David Pollick make it back and improve our defence
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 03, 2008, 01:49:03 PM
Sayer:

If I were a cinncy fan id want to see Chad Johnson gone to, you cant have a guy like that in the locker room causing trouble and bad mouthing the team and the staff etc.  Putting him on the pactice squad would be a great idea as his pay would get cut as well, those guys dont make to much cash but the problem there is that any team can sign a player away from any other teams practice squad.  I say put him on the reserve inactive list all season and just let him sit, how many years does he have left on that contract? 4 or 5? By the time thats up hes s*it out of luck.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 03, 2008, 02:49:45 PM
We all know Chris Henry is not good at taking advice but one phrase he better learn

"Would you like fries with that?"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 03, 2008, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 03, 2008, 02:49:45 PM
We all know Chris Henry is not good at taking advice but one phrase he better learn

"Would you like fries with that?"

Could he pass the drug test?  Probably better trained for Congress. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 03, 2008, 07:19:10 PM
Al Davis will give him another chance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2008, 08:02:41 AM
Supposedly this all started because the "victim", who went to police, called Chris Henry the "N" word....which in my book is DEPLORABLE and FILTHY.  Its not excuse, BUT I understand the action he took. 

Also, they are saying he only called the police to take a report AFTER he found out who it was that hit him.  He didn't know it was Chris Henry until someone told him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 04, 2008, 10:15:17 AM
But still, why is Chris Henry hanging out at these parties.  He is 24 yrs old punching a 19 yr old freshman in college


Question:

Who is more of distratction on the Bengals Chris Henry or Chad Jonhson?  Or should I say who do you want on your team the least the right now?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 04, 2008, 10:44:59 AM
I bet Matt Millen will make a move for Chad Jonhson.  He could be the final piece for Detroit to just maybe have 8 or more wins. ;) :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 04, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
SaintsFan i do agree that is not right if it did happen but if it did happen that way why is Chris Henry saying it is a case of mistaken identity or as he said it "It Not Me"

what the news said was he threw a beer bottle through the window which caused a gash on his head which required a staple (which they showed) then Henry punched him in the face.  all of the witnesses said it was totally unprovoked.

if i am making 480K a year with multi-millions about a year out but know if i fart in public i loose it all, you can call me all of the worst things in the world throw a beer bottle at me etc and i wont be so stupid to throw it all away.  how stupid can he be.  he was supporting most of his family as a lot of them were from new orleans and they were all crashing at his house which they also showed on the news and they confirmed that they have now all moved out this week to an apartment.  he is now going to get stuck with an 88day jail sentence from his dealing with minors.

the bad thing is, i think he is in violation of his parole for that one just for having a beer in his hand.  why was he doing that in public, it was not too long ago he was drunk threatening valet's in covington.

i hate to say it becuase that is such a bad thing if that kid said it to henry but what has Henry done to get anyone to trust him.  this is not the first time he has acted or done physical things with little to provoke him...lets not forget it is an easy "trump" card excuse as a reason that goes over for sympathy better than i am drunk and stupid.  just from seeing the kid on the news he was a skinny little Puss, henry is a big cut up dude and looks scary as hell and it is not like you cant get into serious issues in that part of town.  i just find it very hard to believe that considering those circumstances this little puss kid picked that fight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on April 04, 2008, 01:09:59 PM
First off, releasing CH further solidifies that Chad Johnson isnt going anywhere. second, He is not worth to trade, it would be bad business if we did. The Bengals would take a 8 Million dollar cap hit alone by trading Chad. and With that, you cant build the defense more. Yeah you might gain a draft pick or two but with draft picks, you never really know what you will get. They could be good or they could be bad. Its Hit or miss.

Dont forget, Chris Henry and Pacman were teammates at WVU, they come from the same breed. Also, don't look for any team to be giving CH another chance anytime soon. Godell said that he gets no more second chances, He has already been suspended 10 games in his career. He will face and indefinite suspension. I applaud Mike Brown and the Bengals organization for taking such quick actions with him. He didn't deserve to wear that uniform or be call a "Professional" Athlete.

Look for the Bengals to address the WR position earlier in the draft now. I would be surprised if they didn't take a WR with one of their two 3rd round picks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 04, 2008, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: LionsDen on April 04, 2008, 01:09:59 PM
First off, releasing CH further solidifies that Chad Johnson isnt going anywhere. second, He is not worth to trade, it would be bad business if we did. The Bengals would take a 8 Million dollar cap hit alone by trading Chad.

Only if we trade him before June 1st. After June 1st, the cap penalty doesn't apply. The nice thing is Chad is making himself look bad. The Bengals for a change, in the public eye, look good in my opinion. They got rid of a trouble maker and have done a good job with Chad...letting Chad make himself look like a fool. Hopefully the TJ's and Carson's and Willi's on that team can continue to improve the locker room. I also think Marvin realizes that if he doesn't do something to make himself look better as a coach, there may not be another job available for him when he leaves Cincy.

Quote from: LionsDen on April 04, 2008, 01:09:59 PM
Dont forget, Chris Henry and Pacman were teammates at WVU, they come from the same breed.

The same breed meaning guys from a school Rich Rodriquez coached at??? Maybe the OL was right...those Ann Arbor family values ARE starting to wear a bit thin.

I think Sweed from Texas is a stud. He's had some injury issues, but has the potential to be a game changing WR.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2008, 05:31:41 PM
You're right, Adam.....Chad is making himself look like a crazy jack-ss. 


The report also said that he and CHenry were thrown out of Bang in Over the Rhine on Saturday night for bashing up the place....including putting holes in the ceiling.  Police weren't called but apparently it took some time for the bouncers to get them and a few others to leave.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on April 05, 2008, 12:33:34 PM
your right, trading him before June 1st wouldn't count on the cap THIS season. Regardless it would be an 8 Mil cap hit this year or next year! Bad Business. The problem with the Bengals is they don't have ANY locker room leaders. Carson is not the most outspoken guy and TJ leads more by example. Willie is a quiet guy as well. They don't have any true leaders that say to the younger guys or anybody to cut the Sh**. A lot of the reason Chris Henry was the way he was, was because he didn't have a true mentor at the WR position or anywhere on the team to teach him how to be a Professional! I can guarantee you that if Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Tim Brown or any of those breed of wide receivers were on the team then Chris Henry would still be on the roster.

Chad is making a joke out of himself. But i do agree with him that what he is getting paid is ludicrous compared to where he should be paid. He will make 2.75 Million this year, yeah to us that is great but when people like TO, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne etc... are making 8 plus Million a year, i would be upset too. Chad has been one of the most Consistant WRs in the NFL the past 6-7 years. The way he has approached all this is wrong though.

Dont forget though, Winning Cures everything!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 07, 2008, 01:38:23 PM
Beautiful day today.  Took the classes outside to play football all day
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 07, 2008, 01:39:35 PM
I have two girls out of 130 kids all they do is wine and complain
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 07, 2008, 02:51:25 PM
Well...I had a parent tell me it should be ok that her son called me retarded because I'm considered the "cool" teacher by the kids and had it been another teacher, it would be acceptable for a suspension. She claims I should have drawn the line a little more definatively  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 07, 2008, 03:48:20 PM
*yawn*


What else you guys got?  Anyone want to talk about HCAC football???  This IS an HCAC page right?  I mean come on...we're supposed to talk football.  Heartland football ;)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 07, 2008, 04:21:47 PM
sounds to me that they really think you are retarted and that is why it is acceptable and they figure the "cool guy" excuse would pass over the head of someone who is retarded. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 07, 2008, 07:58:49 PM
that deserves a karma Pt
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 07, 2008, 09:31:18 PM
I guess....the lady then called me at the end of the day and told me she appreciates the fact I'm the cool guy. This lady has issues.

Kevin...what is there to talk about???? Be the leader QB. Start us off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 07, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
Good plan.  I'm not sure we could milk more than a week's material out of "Is Adam better described as 'retarded' or 'cool'?", and we've got almost 6 months to go! ;D

I s'pose we could go back to "Is Rich Rod 'Satan' or 'Bo'?", but I'm not sure we could dredge up much new material. :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 08, 2008, 07:39:50 AM
Don't worry guys, before ou know it draft day will be here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 08, 2008, 08:22:56 AM
Adam,

Most "ladies" have issues.  You should know this....just varies to what degree their issues are.

Did anyone see Memphis choke on their own tongues last night?  Douglas-Roberts had said "I've never lost a game because of missing free throws" during the days leading up to the game.  Well, Chris, you just lost the MOST IMPORTANT game you've ever played because you couldn't hit one more free throw.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 08, 2008, 08:48:10 AM
they boys from the longest yard have nothing on these guys once Chris Henry joins them.  i think the Steelers is going to add a girlfriend beating LB to the defense too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3333889


rough week for me, i have to leave for Augusta on Thursday to host some clients at the Masters on Friday and Saturday
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 08, 2008, 10:06:34 AM
Sounds like he is just telling it how it happened
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 08, 2008, 12:13:25 PM
Any word on Franklin recruits, especially at the skill positions? Replacement for Rupp???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 08, 2008, 01:03:29 PM
Thats what makes Bob Knight great, in my opinoin.  He's not one of those guys that sugar coats anything....and it was also his downfall.  Kids now-a-days are babies.  Its a reflection of society.  Hopefully they are able to talk Knight into doing this again next year...at least for the tournament.

I don't believe there's anybody in the HCAC that is cut from this mold.  Like it or not, todays coaches have to coddle kids...its the nature of the beast. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 08, 2008, 01:23:14 PM
QuoteThats what makes Bob Knight great, in my opinoin.  He's not one of those guys that sugar coats anything....and it was also his downfall.  Kids now-a-days are babies.  Its a reflection of society.  Hopefully they are able to talk Knight into doing this again next year...at least for the tournament.

I don't believe there's anybody in the HCAC that is cut from this mold.  Like it or not, todays coaches have to coddle kids...its the nature of the beast.

sorry...that's bs...knight is a brilliant basketball mind who is also an a-hole and a punk...for all of the discipline he instilled in his teams (a good thing) and the rules he insisted they live by (another good thing) he certainly felt no need to do the same....big, bad bob was at his best when he was verbally abusing people...assistant SID's, team managers, secretaries, among others...real tough guy..."Lou Do" Henson had it right...Knight is a "classic bully"...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 08, 2008, 01:28:46 PM
I Know, if Knight is willing to do that on national TV.  Just think how he tells it to his players and staff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 08, 2008, 02:34:18 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 08, 2008, 01:23:14 PM
QuoteThats what makes Bob Knight great, in my opinoin.  He's not one of those guys that sugar coats anything....and it was also his downfall.  Kids now-a-days are babies.  Its a reflection of society.  Hopefully they are able to talk Knight into doing this again next year...at least for the tournament.

I don't believe there's anybody in the HCAC that is cut from this mold.  Like it or not, todays coaches have to coddle kids...its the nature of the beast.

sorry...that's bs...knight is a brilliant basketball mind who is also an a-hole and a punk...for all of the discipline he instilled in his teams (a good thing) and the rules he insisted they live by (another good thing) he certainly felt no need to do the same....big, bad bob was at his best when he was verbally abusing people...assistant SID's, team managers, secretaries, among others...real tough guy..."Lou Do" Henson had it right...Knight is a "classic bully"...

he's also used his influence and money to do some really good things.  Such as his wife's involvement with cancer research, taking care of Landon Turner's medical bills, giving to the Jimmy V Foundation....he just chooses not to be forthcoming about all this. 

To an extent, yes he is and was a bully but he's old school.  Most of the greats were the same way and not just basketball coaches:  Bear Bryant, Adolf Rupp, etc....he wouldn't be so revered by his old players and assistant coaches if he was a total ahole.  Find me one ex-player who is a total Dbag loser now (in life) that played for Bob Knight.  Growing up, my neighbor, Steve Eyle, played for Knight at IU and loved the guy, still does even though he was his whipping boy for not playing good enough defense and not living up to his talent level....



Also, Crazy Lou Henson is not a Hall of Famer because he's a crook.  They never did see eye to eye, and mostly bc Henson is the Eddie Sutton of Illinois basketball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 08, 2008, 02:40:12 PM
70,

Whats funny is the report that Pittsburgh is looking at trading up for the opportunity to take Darren McFadden from Arkansas.  I HOPE that happens...more character for that team. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 08, 2008, 06:39:03 PM
Bob Knight is old school. Remember, he's not teaching teenagers, he's working with adults. It would be different if he was nose to nose, screaming obscenities at a 16 year old kid. They don't have the mental toughness to deal with that. A 21, 22 year old man on the other hand, should have the gonads to handle it. Bob Knight was the defintion of class if you ask me. He went about it in a different way, but his kids had just as good or better morals than any other team in the country. They graduated and were responsible people. He put emphasis on doing things the right way. Just because people 30 and younger pee down their leg whenever someone yells at them doesn't make it the wrong way to go about things.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 08, 2008, 09:24:19 PM
Quotehe's also used his influence and money to do some really good things.  Such as his wife's involvement with cancer research, taking care of Landon Turner's medical bills, giving to the Jimmy V Foundation....he just chooses not to be forthcoming about all this. 

To an extent, yes he is and was a bully but he's old school.  Most of the greats were the same way and not just basketball coaches:  Bear Bryant, Adolf Rupp, etc....he wouldn't be so revered by his old players and assistant coaches if he was a total ahole.  Find me one ex-player who is a total Dbag loser now (in life) that played for Bob Knight.  Growing up, my neighbor, Steve Eyle, played for Knight at IU and loved the guy, still does even though he was his whipping boy for not playing good enough defense and not living up to his talent level....


his charitable works and things he did (does) without seeking the limelight are significant...and as you point out, he played by the rules...actually so much of what Knight stands for is wonderful...BUT it is not an excuse for all of the other crapola...and I'm not talking about yelling at kids...that's nothing. Knight has always been a classless oaf who is abusive and disrespectful of people...publicly
enjoying the opportunity to embarras people...for all of the great things he did on the court (and off) he became a joke and a poor reflection on IU and the state of Indiana..IU's only problem was they didn't can him sooner...

But back to my original post---WHAT ABOUT FRANKLIN RECRUITING? Any names?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 09, 2008, 06:08:50 AM
Macke...I'll send you a PM later I need to tell you something
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 09, 2008, 02:57:02 PM
Here is a Question that maybe some recent MSJ alumni can answer for me.  Is MSJ still going to attend the TMC Lifting compitition that is usually held around this time of year?  B/c I think that they didn't go last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 10, 2008, 07:46:03 AM
FC signed Klu Klux Knievel, a dare devil out of Southern Indiana. He once tried to jump a group of share croppers with a ramp and a steam roller. The guy is nuts, should be huge on special teams. Led the Southern Indiana conference in personal fouls and also had the most controversal name.

Hopefully, this guy isn't too polarizing of a figure and can find a spot playing football in D3.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 10, 2008, 07:58:37 AM
Sorry d3_DPUfan,

unless victory knows more, you are chit out of luck there.  Most Franklin posters won't be back until Week 4 or 5.....IF the Grizz are still undefeated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 10, 2008, 08:06:48 AM
I will provide you some names however, that I thought were interesting:

Betty Humpter
Andy Feltersnatch
Mike Hunt
Haywood Jablome
Amanda Huggenkiss
Mike Rotch
Hugh Jass
Ahmed Adoodie

Anyone knows where these people are going??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 10, 2008, 08:37:04 AM
i heard most of them were supposed to go to TMC but did not get in for academic reasons, something witht he ACT/SAT.  to quote the head of admissions at TMC,

"We did not feel it was fair to the rest of the student body to let in Howie Fledersnatch into TMC just becuase he took the ACT and SAT and was smart enough to actually put his name on it properly.  This would have unavoidably would raised the the admissions standards at TMC to a level that we could not survive in Northern Kentucky.  This greatly dissapoints our administration as we would love more folks on campus like Howie Feldersnatch but now we just have to stay with all of the Howie Feldsomdudesweiner we have running around here now."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 10, 2008, 08:38:33 AM
I got the inside scoop that Decision08's boy is coming to DC and Tyrell Pryor is supposedly looking to transfer to DC too
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 10, 2008, 08:51:08 AM
QuoteSorry d3_DPUfan,

unless victory knows more, you are chit out of luck there.  Most Franklin posters won't be back until Week 4 or 5.....IF the Grizz are still undefeated.

got it...thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 10, 2008, 10:03:58 AM
I heard the that the Bengals were looking to draft this guy when he becomes available. 

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/8007262/Bethune-Cookman-QB-charged-with-attempted-murder
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 10, 2008, 11:42:32 AM
Who keeps a shotgun in their dorm room??? The drugs I have heard of, but a shotgun? Pac-Man, Chris Henry, and this guy need to get together and have a Pow-Wow.

Kevin, you need to reconsider your friends...especially that Asian friend of yours, Hoo Flung Poo.

I may be a little late on this, but I read today that Rich Rod and WVU are back at it about his $4 million buy out. Looking at what has transpired since his arrival in Ann Arbor (by the way, she's still a whore), and some of his past players (The Pac-Man and Henry), are any of you Michigan supporters concerned?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on April 10, 2008, 12:13:24 PM
Was talking to Coach Leonard a few weeks ago at one of Franklins baseball games. He said recruiting was going good, he did say that they that they were trying to get a QB named Will Stein to visit. He was the QB at Louisville Trinity High School and helped lead them to the Kentucky Class 6A State Championship.

He has already said that he is going to walkon at U of L, but I think Franklin would be a perfect fit  for him. I believe he is to short to play QB in D1.

I am sure that Coach Leonard and Coach Theo will have another great recruiting class again this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 10, 2008, 12:17:00 PM
Klu Klux Knievel makes it the best recruiting class ever, maybe ever in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 10, 2008, 01:24:56 PM
Sayer- I'm just worried that Michigan has sold out their reputation for some more W's. 
Now I wasn't the biggest fan of Carr, but he did keep Michigan as a top notch program in regards to character.  They may have had some mishaps but nothing to crazy. 
With Rodriguez I'm worried that that quality is going right out the door & he is just looking at bringing in players that can play but have the IQ of thier shoe sizes.
Hopefully I'm wrong & their won't be any Michigan players making headlines in the media on a negative note.  Also, the buy out needs to be taken care of soon so that it doesn't affect the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 10, 2008, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on April 10, 2008, 12:13:24 PM
Was talking to Coach Leonard a few weeks ago at one of Franklins baseball games. He said recruiting was going good, he did say that they that they were trying to get a QB named Will Stein to visit. He was the QB at Louisville Trinity High School and helped lead them to the Kentucky Class 6A State Championship.

He has already said that he is going to walkon at U of L, but I think Franklin would be a perfect fit  for him. I believe he is to short to play QB in D1.

I am sure that Coach Leonard and Coach Theo will have another great recruiting class again this year.

That would be a real coup for anyone in Division 3 to get him.  I think they'd instantly become players on the National Scene....this kid is that good. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 10, 2008, 03:09:38 PM
Victory,

That's nothing compared to purported recruit Evel Kowalkowski, who once jumped ten Corvettes with a bulldozer.

signed,
Matt Millen
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 10, 2008, 05:30:28 PM
below is from a column in the courier- journal in february..looks like stein is headed to u of l...could you imagine that kind of talent in coach leonard's offense...wow!
although it's curious that a kid who puts up off the charts numbers at a powerhouse louisville program wouldn't have additional options...



QuoteA few walk-ons

Several local players will become preferred walk-ons:

Trinity quarterback Will Stein, who led the Shamrocks to the Class6-A state championship, will walk on at Louisville. Stein started only one season but completed 255 of 360 passes for 3,697 yards and 54 touchdowns with just seven interceptions. He picked UofL over Dayton.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 10, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
no kidding....was it really U of L or DAYTON??!!    ???


There's gotta be some MAC school that needs an improvement at QB. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 10, 2008, 07:13:18 PM
apparently so...

also noticed in one of the articles he was 3rd team all state...wonder what the numbers were of the 1st and 2nd teamers??? :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 10, 2008, 10:00:42 PM
Maybe he got some bad advice...or was a big fan of Louisville football growing up. You guys are right...it does seem a little odd that he didn't even have a MAC school as a finalist for consideration.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 11, 2008, 08:13:51 AM
that qb is pretty good. however, i think he has an over inflated sense of his abilities. being a 6' tall qb and not possessing a rocket for a right arm will not get you a MAC scholarship.

he does seem very capable though, and I could have seen him playing IAA or D2. shoot, who knows, maybe he could have had an offer if the coach liked the way he played. i'm guessing most guys were turned off by his height and zip in the throwing arm.

walking on at UofL seems about right. he'll play this out until he realizes one day that he isn't the next John Elway. he'll probably like it there and be a career back-up barring some terrible rash of injuries that force him into playing time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on April 11, 2008, 09:15:43 AM
VB, that is my feelings about his size also.

Maybe he's thinking lightning will strike twice.

Hunter Cantwell out of Paducah, Ky is U of L's projected starter this year. He graduated from high school the same year as Brian Brohm and got some small D1 offers but decided to walkon at U of L where he redshirted one year. He is now listed on some of the NFL draft reports as one of the top QB's coming out of college next year.

But the big differece between Stein and Cantwell is their size. Cantwell is listed at 6' 4" and 236lbs. a nice frame for a QB.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 11, 2008, 09:52:18 AM
that's a big qb, and a 6'4 frame helps you do  a lot things.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 12, 2008, 09:11:17 AM
I was a preferred walk-on by UK and I was a 6ft, 260lb Offensive/Defensive Lineman. I think if you have the talent and ability, height isn't going to be as big of a factor as some make it...especially to a MAC school. I can't believe none of them were even giving him a shot. Not trying to say I was a stud and that's why I got that letter from Kentucky, but ability outweighs a lot. Troy Smith was around 6 ft, Drew Brees was short...these are guys who had success in college as short QB's...and at Big time football schools.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 13, 2008, 12:04:05 PM
In relation to the NFL draft, especially the Dophins, which is more important...a great pass rusher, or a great pass protector? In a study completed by NFL players, the QB's blind side Tackle was rated as the most important position...even ahead of QB. Quarterback was obviously 2nd. Though arguably the NFL's greatest pass rusher's son is available...is everyone on the same page that Chris Long can be what his Old Man was...or at least close? He had a wonderful college career, but the ACC isn't the same Ol ACC.

I've been high on Jake Long the last 3 years swearing up and down to my buddies during the OSU-Michigan game his Sophomore year that he would be a top 5 pick as a Junior. The man is massive and has protected against some of the best defenses in the country during his tenure at Michigan. Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Notre Dame (jk - I know that got a laugh as they can't spell defense in South Bend). In 4 years at Michigan, I think I heard he only gave up 5 sacks. I could be wrong, but I heard the exact number once and it was low. I said during last season on here that he would come in and be a bad ass as a rookie LT. Coming out of college he is up there with someone by the name of Orlando Pace...who will be an NFL hall of famer.

I'd take Jake Long vs Chris Long in 1 on 1's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 13, 2008, 02:46:35 PM
In my view a great (not merely good but a HOF quality) pass rusher who is great for more than a few years is a rarer commodity than a great pass protector. Watch out for expectations of Jake Long - he might have a little Tony Mandarich in him, and if he does, the bigger, faster, quicker, more determined NFL players will find it and take advantage of it. Not that Chris Long necessarily projects to be a great pass rusher - he may be a little low in the ballast department relative to his level of quickness. Of course many and maybe most years there is not, as it plays out on the field, either a durably great (by my definition) pass rusher or a great pass protector in the draft.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 14, 2008, 07:55:09 AM
Just thinking what Miami needs.  They have a respectable defense and yes they are getting old with Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas.  But their Off. was bad.  I think as a rookie Jake Long can be more productive than Chris Long, and I always root for defensive to win games.

Just think what Anthony Munoz did for the Bengals!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 14, 2008, 09:11:18 AM
which is why you usually see so many DI players that are 6 feet tall.

personally, i am tired of the old argument that talent is bigger than height. you take a 6'1 275 pound guard and have him lock horns with a 6'5 310 lb 3T, he is getting worn out much easier than a guy 3-5 inches taller than he is. wrestler or no wrestler, it's harder on the body and shorter limbs limit what you are able to do.

it's also the main reason why 90% of the linebackers in today's game are 6'3-6'5. they days of 6' 255 lb hole pluggers have no place in today's game.

troy smith and drew brees are 6'1 pushing 6'2, and they are very short for NFL qb's. that kid on film i mentioned previously has nothing on those two. he's a good high school qb which i thought should warrant IAA or D2 scholarship, but that's at best.

Division I and the NFL is a great filtering process. They get the best first, and the other divisions or pro leagues get the next best thing. i love when people say they could have gone DI but they were only 5'11, or only ran a 4.8, or the coach said they could walk-on and earn their way. it's coach speak for "son, you are too short, not fast enough, and not good enough to get the full ticket scholarship." problem is that most people have an over-inflated view of their self-worth on the football field. or the high school coach that tries selling their 5'9 NT on the sheer magnitude of his intensity, please. coaches don't recruit players they can't win with because they have to fill 80,000 seat stadiums and win or get fired. that would be crazy.

everybody loves the game and is tough, that is why you play. it does not guarantee you a scholarship, and if you were good enough, the NFL would have found you at said D3 school. 

sayer, i am not throwing this at you, i am tossing this at every person i have run across at smaller schools and had some story of their DI success. i am just tired of listening to it from most people who have not a clue on how it work. i had DI success also, i watch ohio state every saturday.

i'm off my soapbox, i just hope the next 6' tall tackle gets the serious look from georgia he is supposed to.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: decision08 on April 14, 2008, 10:26:12 AM
Forget this!  Changed my mind.  We won't be hanging around.  Thanks for making new posters feel welcome.  >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 14, 2008, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: decision08 on April 14, 2008, 10:26:12 AM
Forget this!  Changed my mind.  We won't be hanging around.  Thanks for making new posters feel welcome.  >:(

Geeez - guess this thread didn't subscribe to the Burger King motto  ;D  

If memory serves correctly - probably not -, or unless there's been radical change in the NW Ohio landscape, I don't think that franchise exists in Yellow Jacket country.  Kistner's and Maag's serve much better sandwiches.
                                                                               - signed
                                                                                 DC - class of 1975
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2008, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: decision08 on April 14, 2008, 10:26:12 AM
Forget this!  Changed my mind.  We won't be hanging around.  Thanks for making new posters feel welcome.  >:(

... what did I miss? I know you deleted your posts but the ones I saw were fairly sporadic. Hard to keep a group on your topic with a couple posts every few weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 15, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
dj jazzy jeff wasn't just a sidekick, he was his own man.

all around the world it's the same song.

sex isn't a game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 15, 2008, 07:54:56 AM
what was the guy expecting?  A welcome basket or something with fruit pies and shet
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 15, 2008, 09:18:41 AM
he's just being prepared for Year 1 up at Defiance....things not going his way.

;D ha!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 15, 2008, 12:57:14 PM
I don't remember the last time he posted something. When he first posted, we had a huge discussion about academics...which he initiated I thought. I feel bad if his kid doesn't play as a freshman...cause with his patience, he'll be in the coach's office more than the coach.

VBell, I know damn well I wouldn't have played DI...it was nice to get that letter though. But I do disagree, at least in part. There are exceptions to every rule and the height rule is one of those. Terrill Byrd was a First Team All-Big East DT at Cincinnati. He's listed on the web as 6ft, 271. Grant it, he can bench press a Buick, but if you can play, you can play. Don't always need to be tall. There are other stories of similarity. He's not the lone ranger. My point is if you're very good in HS, and obviously he was a pretty damn good QB, you should get some DI attention, at least by the Ball State's and Buffalo's of the world.

Then again in choosing to walk on at Louisville over actually playing on the field at Dayton, he may have been contacted and made his point clear that he would attend Louisville no matter what. Last time I checked, playing time was more important than pine time...or so I thought.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 15, 2008, 02:15:59 PM
sayer,

i get your point, i was just saying i wasn't "insulting you" with my comments about shorter players. the DT's, yes, I agree that they can get away with being smaller and still be terrors. usc has had a few lately.  the smallest OL i have seen in recent memory was a guard for UL who was a beast. he probably could have benched a buick as well. i think he was 6'1 if memory serves me correctly. i think we all remember mark stepnoski too. he wasn't too bad.

if that qb went to dayton, he would be a small school american by his junior year, in my opinion. however, if he has a dream to follow that to DI i say go for it. at least he is trying it and won't be one of those guys who had DI recruiting stories. i won't fault a guy for that.

with all the pressure on DI coaches, and how closely the draft is scrutinized, i fully understand why the height factor comes into play. how often does somebody find a doug flutie or an eric zeier? look at what wellendorf did to defenses with his height. can you imagine lebron james playing rec at a DI school?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 16, 2008, 11:21:04 AM
Days like yesterday and today make me wish I was subbing and had the opportunity to not work. Absolutely beautiful.

Macke...you comming to my Toga Party or what? Hoss called me up laying the ground work for your batchelor party. So long as I don't end up in jail, I don't care what we do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 16, 2008, 11:59:14 AM
So Toga Party is you, sayer?  I didn't have a chance to look into it.  Send me some details via PM here.


Vbell, insult away here.....Sayer isn't going to quit and take his ball home like that last jacka$$ that said he was out of here...

decision08 would have turned into "benched08-and I'm pissed about it"

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 16, 2008, 01:37:23 PM
Sayer, When and were?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 16, 2008, 02:36:30 PM
ok, that wasn't really my point, but thank you for clarifying.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 16, 2008, 08:36:32 PM
You guys are all a bunch of jacka$$es   :D

Saturday at my buddy's house. I'm buying a keg. The address is 10111 Zig Zag Rd (Blue Ash). It probably won't be a very big deal (12-20 people), but a bunch of drunk guys in togas has a certainy of some type of fun...there should be some chicks there also.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 16, 2008, 08:38:04 PM
And I think we all can wave bye-bye to Ocho-Cry Baby-O. Take your tampons and MoHawk and bug the hell out of some other team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on April 16, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
Long time no talking fellas, what's been going on?

Off-season pace of these forums looks like a drag, glad I didn't stick around too much.

Anyways, that's not the point.

I'm comming home to do some Observation and Participation practicum from April 25-May 8.  I wouldn't mind seeing some of your ugly faces again, PM me and I'll send you my cell.

Also, you will see me at my good friend Matt Maupin's funeral on the 27th, should be in Paul Brown Stadium as they are bringing his body in from Iraq.

Interesting, that should be the same day I swear into the National Guard.


Take care fellas, hope to see some of you soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 16, 2008, 09:52:19 PM
I would like to see Cincy do what someone said much earlier.  Put Johnson on the practice squad & let him just sit there.  Probably has a clause in his contract that wouldn't allow something like that, but it would be nice. 
Still funny that the Bengals have all this trouble & yet they are still much better than my beloved Lions.  Just looking forward to the draft.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 17, 2008, 07:43:26 AM
Did I miss something?  What did Chad do now?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 17, 2008, 10:29:28 AM
chad did this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmRUDKA5hos
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 17, 2008, 12:23:34 PM
I agree with what Paul Daugherty said in the Enquirer today....

trade him to Oakland (who doesn't have a QB) or to his hometown Miami Dolphins who don't either (and watch Tuna run him out of town)...

Its a shame that he's holding the Bengals over the coals with this one....AFTER they gave him 3 contracts in his first 5 years in the league.  The $10M bonus from the last contract??  Thats gone...  He really is screwing the city and the Bengals. 

F You, Chad....and you too Drew Rosenhaus.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 17, 2008, 01:16:11 PM
No Ohio State...some of these are a real joke.  it just proves the argument everyone has cupcake non conference games  and you cant nuke OSU for playing Youngstown state like everyone does.

seriously Florida vs the Citadel and Oklahoma vs. sisters of the 1AA poor

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=797234
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 17, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
Overall, I think OSU is one of the better teams regarding scheduling at least one tough out of conference game. They may still have a Kent State, Miami (OH), or Toledo, as they do try to schedule another Ohio team on a yearly basis, but traditionally you have the Texas, USC, Miami (FL), Tennessee-type games to go with it.

Regarding the SEC, they are year in and year out the best conference in college football. Their best team may not be better than the Big 10 or Big 12, but the depth of the SEC is phenominal. I don't fault Florida or LSU or some other top notch SEC team for playing a weaker non-conference schedule, but they do have a habit of playing I-AA teams for non-conference games. At least play Buffalo, Florida International, Duke, or Notre Dame.

Games against 1-AA teams at the end of the year pose serious risk of injuries as well. The other team starts getting blown out, you start taking it easy and BAM!!!! Tim Teboy blows out a knee. Have fun explaining that as a coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 17, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
I was the one who stated Chad should be placed on the practice squad, but according to what I have heard, he stated he isn't going to particpate in any MANDATORY workouts. If that is the case, then can't we cut him for breach of contract and not have to pay his $8 million of salary cap? I know you want to get something for him, but, it's something, that if it's possible, is worth the look.

Hell, me personally, I'd let him skip everything and move on as planned. Have security escort him from the premises if he gets close. Don't let him near the team or practice the whole year. He can go on ESPN whenever he wants and cry like a little girl, but keep him off the field altogether. It may mean swallowing your pride and a few million dollars, but in the long run, it may set a precident to future players who want to be a cancer not only in Cincinnati, but around the league.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 17, 2008, 03:47:08 PM
i think the bengals would be fools to not fine him everyday he isn't there, and then trade him or cut before the season. he is very selfish and i would attack his pocket book.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 17, 2008, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 17, 2008, 01:16:11 PM
No Ohio State...some of these are a real joke.  it just proves the argument everyone has cupcake non conference games  and you cant nuke OSU for playing Youngstown state like everyone does.

seriously Florida vs the Citadel and Oklahoma vs. sisters of the 1AA poor

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=797234

They do schedule one team yearly, but Ohio State is a bully with regards to scheduling....what they tried to pull with UC is ridiculous.  They told them, we need to cancel the Bearcat version of the home and home, and you come to Ohio Stadium twice or you don't play us.   

hopefully Kelly's team kicks their teeth in one of those years. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 17, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
When you are a powerhouse like OSU or Flordia or USC, you should have the right to make demands or "bully" like OSU did.  I know it isn't fair, but that's life.  If Cincy wants to make demands build a stronger program like OSU & start paying your players & not making them go to class. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 17, 2008, 04:19:13 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on April 17, 2008, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 17, 2008, 01:16:11 PM
No Ohio State...some of these are a real joke.  it just proves the argument everyone has cupcake non conference games  and you cant nuke OSU for playing Youngstown state like everyone does.

seriously Florida vs the Citadel and Oklahoma vs. sisters of the 1AA poor

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=797234

They do schedule one team yearly, but Ohio State is a bully with regards to scheduling....what they tried to pull with UC is ridiculous.  They told them, we need to cancel the Bearcat version of the home and home, and you come to Ohio Stadium twice or you don't play us.   

hopefully Kelly's team kicks their teeth in one of those years. 

It is what it is - even with outsourced textiles from Sri Lanka or China, those sweater vests are d*mned expensive and big gates are important.   ;D

Quote from: dc_has_been on April 17, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
If Cincy wants to make demands build a stronger program like OSU & start paying your players & not making them go to class. ;)

Thought Huggins had already instituted that policy for the athletics department... ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 18, 2008, 10:33:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3325687 I thought this was interesting considering that the draft is coming up.  A few to me were debatable based upon their ranking & others due to my age & knowledge didn't allow me to have a strong opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 18, 2008, 10:54:04 AM
I was surfing Yahoo pissed this AM looking at Google's earnings report (one of my friends told me to buy at $419 a Share in Mid March but he was drunk and annoying me so i did not ).  they just destroyed expectations and are trading at $530 up 18% last night after the market closed...hence why i am pissed. 

but the funny thing is on the side of Yahoo finance i noticed a headline for a sports article that grabbed my attention, this is wrong on so many levels

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24199450
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 18, 2008, 01:10:46 PM
Lewis- why are you so interested in balls? ;)  The artical is for sure strange & wrong that is for sure!

Here is another link like the one I posted before, except this one is the top 50 steals in the draft rather than busts.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3329687
The thing I thought was funny was the Lions had something like 3 busts (Rodgers, Ware, & Gibson) & not steals.  It continues to show that there is no love in Detroit.  God I need a football team in LA!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 18, 2008, 01:31:27 PM
Complain all you want, but the Bengals seemed to have more than any other team.

Turkey Balls...how much do those cost per share
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 18, 2008, 05:17:31 PM
Actually Detroit had four busts no steals & Cincy had four busts + 1 steal, so I will complain all I want! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 18, 2008, 08:45:01 PM
I guess at least we had a taste of success the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2008, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 18, 2008, 10:54:04 AM
...
but the funny thing is on the side of Yahoo finance i noticed a headline for a sports article that grabbed my attention, this is wrong on so many levels

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24199450

Reminds me of the old joke of the little restaurant in rural Spain that served an unusual delicacy.  The guest noted that the prize entree of the day went to special customer who seemed to reserve it in advance.  The entree was two large oblate spheroids of tender meat, garnished with the finest spices and sauteed to perfection.

So the guest requested to be served the entree the next time it was served.

On that occasion, the waiter brought out the tray, on which there were two tiny little pieces of meat the size of an pearl onion.

The guest questioned the waiter, "Why are they so small today?"

The waiter said, "Sadly sometimes the bull wins."


Quote from: dc_has_been on April 18, 2008, 01:10:46 PM
... I need a football team in LA!
You got one...USC!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 19, 2008, 06:28:10 PM
gsp or Matt Serra tonight boys?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 20, 2008, 02:03:41 AM
Ralph the only Trojans I like are the ones I wear! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 20, 2008, 09:59:16 AM
I forgot that fight was last night. Who won?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2008, 10:15:34 AM
Split decision (http://www.verizon.net/newsroom/portals/newsroom.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=newsroom_portal_page_sports_article&_article=942937)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 20, 2008, 12:08:48 PM
St. Pierre won by TKO (strikes) late in round 2.  Serra was never really in this one.  GSP was in better shape and used dominant strikes-- alot of body work.


also, Cincy's own Rich Franklin won by TKO in round 2....he dominated Lutter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 20, 2008, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on April 20, 2008, 02:03:41 AM
Ralph the only Trojans I like are the ones I wear! ;D

haha!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 20, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on April 12, 2008, 09:11:17 AM
I was a preferred walk-on by UK and I was a 6ft, 260lb Offensive/Defensive Lineman. I think if you have the talent and ability, height isn't going to be as big of a factor as some make it...especially to a MAC school. I can't believe none of them were even giving him a shot. Not trying to say I was a stud and that's why I got that letter from Kentucky, but ability outweighs a lot. Troy Smith was around 6 ft, Drew Brees was short...these are guys who had success in college as short QB's...and at Big time football schools.

Sayer:
You for got to add in that list the all-time great "short QB" who proved that as well - Doug Flutie.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 20, 2008, 09:06:20 PM
That I did. I don't think McNair was very tall either...now that he's retired. In terms of being a tough SOB, he ranks up there with the toughest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 21, 2008, 10:34:49 AM
McNair was a tough SOB.  i also like the fact that he beat up all of that "comes from a small school reverse hype"

of course it is a respect thing, but i cant stand the SOB becuase what he has does on the field to my teams!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 21, 2008, 01:38:50 PM
I got a FEVER!  And the only Prescription, is more [/b COW BELL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 21, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

Don't really know why I posted that...I was sitting through a boring inservice on gradebook technology.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 22, 2008, 06:25:36 AM
I was watching a clip from ABC News on cheerleading injuries and over and over they kept referring to cheerleading as a sport. It drove me nuts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 22, 2008, 07:34:13 AM
How much news can you get out of a cheerleader falling on her A$$?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 22, 2008, 11:22:09 AM
It was a 5 minute clip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 22, 2008, 05:30:12 PM
Dolphins take the suspense away from pick #1 by signing Jake Long.

Plus...Bengals turn down offer by Redskins of a 1st round draft pick this year (#21) and a conditional pick next year which would most likely be a 1st round pick for Ocho Cinco. I realize they'd be taking a huge cap hit and have 10 picks this year, but 2 first rounders for this jerk...that's tough to turn the cheek on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 22, 2008, 09:38:39 PM
its all here-say at this point....Lewis is saying there have been no offers....

we need to trade and move on from Ocho-stinko
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 22, 2008, 09:50:15 PM
nevermind, now i see he's acknowledging they turned down that deal with the Skins.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
I saw this morning that David Pollack retired...reminder to "on the fence athletes" STAY IN SCHOOL.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 23, 2008, 07:49:50 AM
or tackle with your head up.. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2008, 11:38:39 AM
That too I guess.

Other Notes:

Shawn Alexander was cut by the Seahawks. Draft analyst have mentioned the RB spot as a point of emphasis for the Bengals. Rudy had a down year, but how much was due to injuries and an inadequate OL??? The last 2 RB's have been hurt (Chris Perry and Kenny Irons). Would it be reasonable for the Bengals to pursue Alexander? Bring him home?

Listening to Marvin Lewis's press conference, it seems as if the Bengals are calling Chad's bluff. It appears that they believe he will come in and play...but still, 2 first round picks????? Screw his bluff. It doesn't take a genius to figure out your defense sucks and needs help. It doesn't matter how much you score, if you can't stop the other team. Jay Mariotti on Around the Horn said it nicely: "Not only is Mike Brown cheap, he's also dumb."

Ohio State has scheduled Navy for 2009 and 2014. They also picked up the OL that transferred from Michigan. Thus far it seems as if I have been wrong. Todd Boeckmann appears to be the starter for next year.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 23, 2008, 01:37:10 PM
No.  Alexander would not make sense because he made his yards (and money) behind a stellar offensive line.  Then when they made some changes in Seattle on the offensive line two years ago....he became an ordinary back.  He also, IMO, has too much wear and tear on him.   He wouldn't do any better behind the Bengals offensive line.....they aren't the same since they lost the OG to the Browns.

Let him go to the Bears or somewhere they are talking about being a destination and see what happens.. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 23, 2008, 02:32:37 PM
Good Pick up for the Dolphins.  Guys like Long only come once in a while.

What are the Bengals thinking.  I know they are trying to prove a point with Chad, but here is a chance to get a something in return
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 25, 2008, 03:47:50 PM
Less than 24 hours....

Macke, I have Kenny Jones bachelor party tomorrow night. Last time I saw him was last summer and he looked like he weighed about 280
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 27, 2008, 02:22:55 PM
re: Bengals draft....three words come to mind...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.....yes, WTF Marvin?

they should have traded with the Patriots to get Sedrick Ellis...instead they stand pat and take Keith Rivers....then Coastal Carolinas WR when WRs like Malcolm Kelley and Limas Sweed were available, the Florida WR and now this Jason Shirley turd from Fresno...here is what espn has to say:

Overall: Shirley arrived at Fresno State in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 32 games (13 starts) and recorded 50 tackles (11 for losses) and four sacks. In 2005, he missed two games (and was limited in others) by an injury. In 2007, he played three games and had seven tackles (three for losses), 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. Shirley lost most of his senior season to a leg injury; a two-game suspension for a violation of team rules; and, ultimately, a dismissal from the team in November, after his arrest for suspicion of DUI. Shirley is a massive nose tackle prospect with impressive mobility for his size but while he flashes spectacular upside, he is still extremely raw and inconsistent. In addition, there are now legitimate concerns that he could become a locker room distraction.

wow....look at Steelers draft and compare to ours....we are in deep trouble.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
There is a reason why Pittsburgh is good year in and year out....and it's not their head coaches. It's because they have "smart" people in administration places that make smart decisions...we have Mike Brown and when he's gone, we will have his Daughter...give me the gun now  ::).

Chris Carter thinks we did well. Overall, I think our draft was OK. Rivers will be a solid LB and if Odell stays out of trouble and the LB's stay healthy, we have Brooks, Rivers, and Thurman as our starting 3 linebackers. I'm not sold on Brooks, but Odell has shown he's a hell of a player and Rivers can be.

I would have rather had Limas Sweed, as I thought he was the best WR in the draft, and would be a contributor right away, but in the weeks leading up to the draft, I've heard a lot of good things about Jerome Simpson. I'm not a WR, but to me, I think WR is a position where it doesn't really matter what level you play at. If you can catch everything thrown to you and can run good routes, you'll be successful...as is evident by the crazy numbers he put up at Costal Carolina.

We addressed the DT position late in the draft, which was a need, and Kevin, I know we've had some issues with players, but if you hold every little thing against these guys, there wouldn't be 7 rounds worth of picks. Even the Bengals, with the issues they have, need to take chances on  players and hope they can do a better job teaching him how to be an adult. If they can play, they can play and it's easier to teach someone how to act than teach them how to play football. He's a later round pick and I think they will make him aware that he's on a very short leash and will be dropped at the first sign of trouble. If he needs to be cut, it won't cost us anything.

I will agree that it would have been nice to trade the picks we were going to give up for Rodgers to move up and possibly have 2 first rounders and take Ellis as well as Rivers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 29, 2008, 09:17:32 AM
Did two players from DIII get drafted this past weekend?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 29, 2008, 10:48:31 AM
Studebaker from Wheaton & Garcon from Mt. Union were drafted in the 6th round.  There is a story on the front page of d3football.com.

Does anyone know if Dillon was signed to a free agent contract? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 29, 2008, 11:32:59 AM
I would imagine Defiance would have something on their website had he been invited to a camp somewhere.

Macke...you're about a month away...starting to get nervous. I told Ken Jones I didn't need to know where he was registered cause I knew exactly what to get him...a Smith and Wesson  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 29, 2008, 11:58:10 AM
has_been,

I'm coming out to your neck of the woods today.  Kind of last second trip for business....this produce season out of CA is going to be a real bad one for high prices and we have to meet with a few clients to make sure they know.  Diesel has gone up .35 a gallon in the past 10 days alone.  You're going to see more expensive fruit and veg in the midwest and eastcoast this year as a result of the increased transportation costs. 

Leave your # in case we get a free night.  I leave tonight and get back to Cincy on Thursday night. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 29, 2008, 01:16:28 PM
Though gas has steadily increased the last 3-4 years, it seems like the last month or so it's jumped up and has stayed up. I don't remember having such a long stretch of $3.30/3.40/3.50+ gas. I remember days when its jumped up to $3.30 and after a week or so, it was back down to $2.90, but this is nuts. I'm not political and don't know much about politics, but in my mind, looking at the way things are going, it seems like more of a coincidence that Bush is in his last year of office, he's a Texas man, and Oil prices are absurd. If I'm off base in my judgement, let me know, but it seems like Mr. Bush is more than happy letting his big whig oil buddies (and probably himself) make that money while he's in his last 6-7 months of office.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Not really all that different than the previous seven years, is it?

We've bought a hybrid and I bike to work as often as the weather permits. And still, oof -- that's a big chunk of our monthly paycheck that we didn't really plan on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 29, 2008, 04:06:00 PM
SaintsFan- I texted you my number.  Give me a call if you have time & we'll see if we can get together for some beverages ;D.
On regards to gas, I love the fact that I drive a 98 2dr Tahoe 4x4 & put 89 in it b/c it has over 117,000 miles on it.  I paid $3.98 today for gas!  I'm glad my commute is 3 miles.  I w/ Pat I try to ride my bike as much as possible too.  Temps are starting to hit the 90s now & are going to get worse so I don't know how long it will last w/ me riding my bike. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 29, 2008, 09:04:06 PM
I work about a 20-25 minute drive from home and can by using about $30/week in gas. My problem is graduate school, coaching obligations as I don't teach at the school I coach, and the gym. Throw in all that and I'm looking at $40-45 per week.

I remember when I was 18 (8 years ago) and got gas for $1.25. A friend of mine's dad won $1,000,000 on an instant lottery ticket last week (lucky bastard). I think I may ask him for some gas money  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 02, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
Well, whatever it is.....you are going to see higher prices of consumer goods on the shelves this summer.  Put money on that. 

Has_been,

I got a new number...  I'm already back....400 miles on the way in 48 hours.  Good trip....drove by Matthew McKindagay of Dazed and Confused fame...on the freeway yesterday on the way to the airport..  not a bad ride....convertible M6....$108,000 price tag. 

He's still a homo..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 05, 2008, 06:53:48 AM
$108k?  And to think $250k and a pit crew would've bought him a two week car at 9 degrees 12 minutes.  A cool mill and he could have a car the whole month of May. 

Didn't you hear?  We're getting the band back together.

Rookie Orientation for the bulk of the Champ Car guys on deck.  Now if there's  a way to wrangle that Belgian circuit for 2009.


signed,
Fan of Duke Nalon - the Gentleman Racer
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 05, 2008, 09:25:05 AM
Speaking of rookie orientation for Champ Cars...

I can't wait to see all the rookies hit the wall this month at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 05, 2008, 09:55:26 AM
Coming in to "Turn Three" - show them to me...   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 05, 2008, 11:49:12 AM
Thats where our seats are every year, Cave....about 1/2 way up.  Can see the whole backstretch, turn 3, short chute and 1/2 of turn 4...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 05, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Not really all that different than the previous seven years, is it?

We've bought a hybrid and I bike to work as often as the weather permits. And still, oof -- that's a big chunk of our monthly paycheck that we didn't really plan on.

Pat,

Is this a motorcycle or beach cruiser??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2008, 03:48:33 PM
A bicycle. It was a major component of my losing 50 pounds in the past year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 05, 2008, 05:46:24 PM
nice Pat...i put on about 50lbs this weekend at the DC Alumni GOlf outing.  it was a great time with a couple of long nights (longer for some).  to give you an examplethere was one guy who slept in the fetal position onthe floorboard in the cab of a pickup truck.  when i got to work this AM i had the following email in my inbox from the guy whose house it was...i will protect the names of the guilty but Has_Been he is a pharmacist

Subject: Oh My

"I did not know if you saw the pile of poop in the middle of my drive way when you were leaving.  XXXX XXXXX laid a turd in the middle of my drive way.  He had it all over him when we woke him up."

that my firends is the sign of a good weekend!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 05, 2008, 08:48:15 PM
thats funny, 70.....but for $hits and giggles...have a look at this...

keep your eye on the punter in the background, maybe one some of us knows?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COEhIZkMSP4
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 05, 2008, 09:25:14 PM
Who would it be...yourself?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 05, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
nope...I couldn't punt the ball into the ocean if I was standing on the beach..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 06, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
Well Saints, that didn't take long.  Jaime Camara the season's first. 

Oh well, it's like Danny says, "spin to win!" 9 rooks over 220.

BTW, saw a couple Enzos.  Even nicer than the 355.  Much, actually.

To keep it at least HCAC on point, met the metallurgist wheel inspector for the IRL, an RHIT alum.

signed,
Alexander and D. H.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 06, 2008, 12:02:15 PM
I've never got into racing much. Then again, I've never been to a race in person and I've been told you have to do that first. The only cool parts are  the wrecks...does that make me evil  ;D

A buddy of mine got the HC job at CHCA. It's a small school in Cincinnati that's only had football since 1998. They have been in the playoffs 4-5 times in those 10 years and I think were state runner ups in 2005. He never played college football and only has 1 year of HC experience (7-3 last year at Finneytown), but his recruiting abilities rival that of Rod Huber himself. The man can get kids to play and at a small school, you got to have numbers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 06, 2008, 12:09:31 PM
Mac,

You're right....crazy huh?  I think we're going to see some real bad wrecks this month as all the rookies (maybe not rookies, but Cart guys will be rookies to IMS)try to compete for spots.

The Enzo's are nice.  Remember the story about the a-hole in Malibu that had one stolen from England, shipped to the US where he totalled the car on the PCH in Malibu?

Pictures below:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ferrari18apr18,0,326721,full.story

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 06, 2008, 12:14:46 PM
Adam,

its truly a rush when just before the cars go green flag at Indy when they are coming at you in turn 4 at 215 mph in 11 rows of 3. 

Not many things make my hair stand up...but that still does...  even after going to the race for the last 15 years.

That moment alone is definitely worth the price of a ticket ($85 face), but that number is sure to go up with the merger of CART. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 06, 2008, 04:11:29 PM
70_dc_alum- The funny thing about the man who is to remain nameless is that he has done the sleeping in the car thing. :D  I'm going to have to make some phone calls tonight to hear some great stories!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 07, 2008, 10:17:36 PM
is this nameless guy a poster on here??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 08, 2008, 10:14:38 AM
I've been to all four; NASCAR, IRL, NHRA and Indy car but there is nothing like NHRA and those top fuel funnies and dragsters
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 08, 2008, 01:34:39 PM
SaintsFan- no he isn't a poster, but I will say each person's account of the story was great to hear.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 08, 2008, 10:29:24 PM
Has_Been just got off the phone with your favorite OC (currently an OC) heading out in Chi town for some beers...can you say summer fun day!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 08, 2008, 11:25:59 PM
Let him know that I'm still keeping summer fun day alive & going!  Nothing better than waking up at 8 in the morning & the grill is already fired up & the beer is on ice! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 09, 2008, 12:23:55 AM
Pancakes, bacon, and beers while the pork butts are a smokin' - breakfast of champions and beats the h*ll out of Denny's or Waffle House (and colons)  :D :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2008, 09:14:47 AM
I have never been to a wedding where there were more than 5-6 African Americans...until last night. It was a very good time....but it was a little different. It's odd to think of my friends as being married.

I have another friend who is dating a girl from Russia. He's seen her once, a week-long vacation in February, since August. She tells him she's pregnant with his kid and he tells us he's not going to get a blood test. After we explained that she lives 10,000 miles away and lives a totally separate life away from him. Also after we explained that he's cheated on her twice and even if he trusts her, it's logical that she has also. He still says he's going to take care of the kid without a blood test
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 11, 2008, 03:17:31 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2008, 09:14:47 AM
I have never been to a wedding where there were more than 5-6 African Americans...until last night. It was a very good time....but it was a little different. It's odd to think of my friends as being married.
Huh???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 11, 2008, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2008, 09:14:47 AM


I have another friend who is dating a girl from Russia. He's seen her once, a week-long vacation in February, since August. She tells him she's pregnant with his kid and he tells us he's not going to get a blood test. After we explained that she lives 10,000 miles away and lives a totally separate life away from him. Also after we explained that he's cheated on her twice and even if he trusts her, it's logical that she has also. He still says he's going to take care of the kid without a blood test

your "friend" is an idiot.  does he still believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus also??  how in the hell can someone be "dating" a girl that he's only met once and lives in Russia?  the whole things smells like a green card scam to me. 

hopefully someone hits his head with a rock and see if that brings back his senses..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 11, 2008, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 11, 2008, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2008, 09:14:47 AM


I have another friend who is dating a girl from Russia. He's seen her once, a week-long vacation in February, since August. She tells him she's pregnant with his kid and he tells us he's not going to get a blood test. After we explained that she lives 10,000 miles away and lives a totally separate life away from him. Also after we explained that he's cheated on her twice and even if he trusts her, it's logical that she has also. He still says he's going to take care of the kid without a blood test

your "friend" is an idiot.  does he still believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus also??  how in the hell can someone be "dating" a girl that he's only met once and lives in Russia?  the whole things smells like a green card scam to me. 

hopefully someone hits his head with a rock and see if that brings back his senses..

"Anchors" away, and throw in some "free", TB therapy for Momma as well...
Christ in a Mopbucket, "idiot" is too kind a term for this asinine level of cerebellar malfunction.  No green card required.

Signed,

Vincente Fox  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 12, 2008, 10:18:04 AM
Adam -

While previous post is flippant, I have a buddy who almost got sucked into a Russian scam that sounds eerily similar, two years ago.  Great looking 23 yr old woman, concert pianist, working toward PhD in biochem in Minsk - they met and had a great time in Moscow, and continued communication over email.  Three months later, he's informed she's expecting - by a broker, and that for $2,000 he could fly her into the US and they marry.  After five months, the broker pays my friend $5,000 to have marriage annulled, but she gains citizenship via matrimony and baby being born on US soil... and my bud might have been hung out to dry in a fraud case.  Yeah, he's another DC grad and should know better, but at 56... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 12, 2008, 10:22:32 AM
are women from Defiance THAT bad....so these guys need to head to Russia. 

Talk about losing faith in women..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 12, 2008, 11:12:37 AM
yes they are that bad...lets not forget the most profitable Mob in the world is the Russian Mob.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 12, 2008, 11:34:41 AM
She lived here during the summer (about 2-3 months) through a program at her college in Russia so he's "been" with her an extended period of time before visiting in February. How you fall madly in love with a chick after 2-3 months is beyond me, but that's what he claims. She went back to Russia in August and February was the last time he saw her.

We tried to tell him, but he don't think its right to ask the girl, he claims to love, for a blood test. What bothers me about all this is she neglected to tell him until she had been pregnant for a little over 2 months. The other crazy part of this, is he admits he didn't wear any protection because he thought she was on birth control...either that's what she told him or she was on it during the summer while they were together and took herself off of it while they were apart and never started taking it again, even though she knew since November he was visiting her in February.

He now wants to bring her back and marry her. They spent June, July, and August together plus the one week in February and he claims he knows her because they talk on the phone every day and their marriage would work. And he wants to be a responsible father, though being a responsible human in my opinion would be getting a blood test first. To be honest, I think he's too far in to get out emotionally. We've been telling him since she left in August that he needed to end everything at that point cause the situation didn't lend itself to a positive outcome.

My dad had a friend who married a girl from Venezuala...who in turn divorced him 2 years after marriage when she had everything she wanted plus his half as a bonus.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 12, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
First of all it is possible to fall in love w/ a person after a few months of being w/ them, but that doesn't mean you have to marry them right away b/c of a pregnancy.  To many times he hear about people getting married b/c of a child.  I just do not understand the theory behind it. 
I admire the fact he wants to be a responsible father, but I agree that the responsible thing would be to have a blood test first.  If results show the child is his then he can take care of the child.  Also, if she comes over to the states she should be able to take care of herself (w/ his assistance towards the child).  Oh & lets not forget a prenup if they do get married.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 12, 2008, 01:21:22 PM
correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to wait until after the child is born to have a paternity test taken? 

This would lend itself as a plus for the scammer in this situation. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 12, 2008, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 12, 2008, 01:21:22 PM
...don't you have to wait until after the child is born to have a paternity test taken?   

No.  Fluids collected from Chorionic Villi Sample or Amniocentoesis in prenatals contain the genetic combinants required to match with the presumptive father.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 12, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
But cann't that be dangerous for the mother & the fetus?

Wow....this board not only covers football, but lifeskills too!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 12, 2008, 05:38:07 PM
I'm just concerned about him. I think he's making a poor decision and it's frustrating to me because he isn't listening to a voice of reason. I'm not the only one either. His father and another friend have all said the same thing. "Make sure it's your kid." We'll see if he gets enlightened and actually listens to us. I'm not normally the voice of reason, but in this case...

Kevin you can test before the kid is actually born as Bob stated, but due to the situation, I think that's almost an impossible scenario unless she visits here. Though I've been told her parents are wealthy (in Russian terms) I don't see that happening. I think any paternal tests that are to be done will have to wait until she has the kid.

We can move on to other news...to quote the Coors Light commercials, "I needed to vent."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 12, 2008, 06:20:15 PM
yeah...onto other news. 

TMC is having their golf outing later this month.  If any of you ex MSJ guys want to play and support your old coaches...send me a PM. 

I have been told the Saints are bringing in an oustanding freshman class...though, as each of you know....is all hearsay until the school starts recieving deposits. 

I'm going to drink the kool-aid though.  Lots of close games included in our losses last year.  I think we're going to see alot of improvement on the field in 2008.  Plus, Stellman is back at QB.  its still a three year plan, but I think the Saints are ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 12, 2008, 08:19:16 PM
We all knew it would be a matter of time before TMC started reaping the benefits of having a "local" in charge of recruiting. MSJ's golf outing is comming up. I got an email with a picture that said "More information to come." I'm not very good, otherwise I'd join you in a 4some Kevin  :-* I'll be working on the golf game this summer and maybe I'll be able to keep the Drive straight.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 13, 2008, 08:33:39 AM
Step 1 to building a consitent azz kicking team at DC COMPLETED.  now we just need to bring in a "pro" sports president

http://www.defiance.edu/Dispatch/08_05n_president_wood.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 13, 2008, 08:46:43 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on May 13, 2008, 08:33:39 AM
Step 1 to building a consitent azz kicking team at DC COMPLETED.  now we just need to bring in a "pro" sports president

Particularly a candidate that sees beyond the myopic vision of "social engagement," statistical spin, and internet dalliance  ;D ;D  The "yellow jacket nest" has been buzzing for several weeks... in his defense, he was fond of our Scot's Whisky and cigar stashes  ;)
It will be interesting...


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 13, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
buzzing is a good way to put it...was a pretty weak press release that anyone with any business sense can read between the lines on.  if you were brought in to raise money and the only thing you have to your credit after 6 years is the smart fitness center which was donated by one person and is owned by the YMCA you deserve to be taken out to the woodshed.  at least there are lots of pretty pictures of the rec center
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 13, 2008, 01:14:17 PM
hopefully ESPN enjoyed the last couple of weeks with the Hype on Spygate...what a waste of time that turned out to be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 13, 2008, 07:39:08 PM
he sure didn't bring any hot co-eds into there...

that leaves room for the Russian Mob to prey upon lonely dudes up there (u listening recruits)??

Whatever happened to that self-righteous poster with the kid going to DC?  I think he called himself "decision08"....anyways, if you're reading this...I'm talking to YOU here...maybe you should order a Russian Bride if you can't get anything out of our little corner of the internet. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 11:10:16 AM
In the month of May the VFW distributes Buddy Poppies.  Please take time to give a dollar and take a poppy.  The proceeds of this go to aid the  Disabled Vets  (http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=cmty.levelc&cid=127&tok=1)

Mike Dougherty
Commander VFW Memorial Post 3776
Secaucus NJ


In Flander's Field
by John McCrae
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead.
Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved and now we lie,
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw,
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us, who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 14, 2008, 12:35:30 PM
I received this story in my email this morning & I shared it w/ my class of 7th graders & everyone else that I know b/c I feel that it is a really great story. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89164759
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on May 14, 2008, 12:35:30 PM
I received this story in my email this morning & I shared it w/ my class of 7th graders & everyone else that I know b/c I feel that it is a really great story. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89164759

Good story, I work with a Hindi kid who would do the same thing.  Not a bad bone in his body, these are the people that give you hope in the world.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on May 14, 2008, 10:08:16 PM
Hey, hey, hey, all you miscreants, reprobates and preverts. Greetings from the Mosquito Coast. How the hell's it going, all?

What's the word on the HCAC this year? I've been out of pocket awhile. I finally got my oldest son married off yesterday and in August, Richard will be making a return to the Buckeye State to get hitched to his DC sweetie. They're living and working down here but decided to go back to Ohio and tie the knot so all their college buddies can come to the big event.

Maybe I'll get some damn grandkids soon that I can teach to swear, cuss and generally be a rude bastard like grandpa.

What's shakin' with you DC guys. I hear DC went out and found themselves a QB this year. Is it true?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2008, 10:36:05 PM
JacketsFan:

A great word, that "miscreants"!  Hey, it has been awhile and glad to hear you are doing well.  Congratulations on the wedding of your son - very exciting.  Guess we're in the same boat; both of my daughter's got engaged last month, with the oldest getting married this July.  Very exciting, although it really makes me feel old.  Not sure I'm ready for either, but then again, don't have a choice, right?!! ;D  Take care.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 14, 2008, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on May 14, 2008, 10:08:16 PM
I hear DC went out and found themselves a QB this year. Is it true?

they probably got a kid or two thats played QB in High School to send in his deposit, but judging from their recent history...DC might be better off converting their best athlete to play QB.  They haven't had one since that #18.

congrats to you for your boys' marriages.  thats an accomplishment..so is making it work..as most of us (successful at it or not) know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 14, 2008, 10:58:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 14, 2008, 10:36:05 PM
JacketsFan:

A great word, that "miscreants"!  Hey, it has been awhile and glad to hear you are doing well.  Congratulations on the wedding of your son - very exciting.  Guess we're in the same boat; both of my daughter's got engaged last month, with the oldest getting married this July.  Very exciting, although it really makes me feel old.  Not sure I'm ready for either, but then again, don't have a choice, right?!! ;D  Take care.

formerd3db
Congrats to you as well.  Thats going to cost YOU some money...having two get married.  Funny story....a former teammate of mine at TMC had his sister get married and their dad told her he's only paying once.  Well, she's getting remarried in June in Vegas, after divorce #1...who's the lucky guy?  Well its her ex-husband's best friend.  Well they used to be best friends.....  we had a nice long laugh at this one tonight.  Is dad paying again I asked....he said, "Kevin....the wedding is in Vegas"  ---answer is no. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2008, 11:52:29 PM
SaintsFAN:

Thanks for the congrats - much appreciated.  Indeed, you are right about the $!  Although I will say that my wife is a great one and the "financial expert" when it comes to keeping the costs down yet maintaining high quality; I'm lucky I guess!  Also, thanks for the great story - hilarious (although perhaps not to your friend's dad!) ;D  I hope you are doing well.  Take care and talk to you later.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 15, 2008, 10:34:02 AM
JacketsFan - "And as I wandered through the doorway...and I just love it in her room;"


Welcome back, jester of journalistic jargon, litigious levity, and general purveyor of whimsy.  Are fish taco fixins' destined for the nuptial menu?  Glad to finally see some fresh posts out of the Fernadina surf.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on May 15, 2008, 10:59:18 AM
Hey Jackets Fan I had two Grand Daughters born 13 days apart last June. Grand kids are something special.

Best of luck in the future with your grand kids.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on May 15, 2008, 11:06:27 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2008, 09:14:47 am
I have never been to a wedding where there were more than 5-6 African Americans...until last night. It was a very good time....but it was a little different. It's odd to think of my friends as being married.


Good day sports fan, I thought this quote was interesting, since having played with Adam and being African American. I under appreciated the values and moral conduct of those I went to school with, and play ball with! If my memory serves me right; I believe there were more then 5-6 African Americans on the football team, but please tell us how you really feel. Think  before you write dumb stuff like that!

Eric Johnson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 15, 2008, 01:53:57 PM
Erik - dont take offense i did not read it in an offensive way.  he did not say he has never been around more than 5-6 but that he has never been to a wedding.   weddings historically feature more culture and customs and if you have never expereinced it, it will be a little different.  remember the part of the quote "it was a very good time"  one of the best weddings i went to was where a girl of storng german heritage married a guy with strong mexican heritage.  it was very different at the reception to anything i had ever expereinced but a hell of a good time.  that is not saying anything bad about it.  as SaintsFan loves to point out there are a tone of folks that roll through Defiance of Hispanic Heritage and i was friends with a lot of them...the wedding was still different.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 15, 2008, 02:27:45 PM
Try being married in a Jewish ceremony.  They dropped me out of the freaking chair during the chair dance :D.

70dcalum- you thinking of going into politics? :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 15, 2008, 03:57:21 PM
Dude, 70....you misspelled his name.  Its Eric

JEEZ!!

In all seriousness, I didn't read it in the same way.  Knowing Adam personally, I know that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body.  One of my friends, Malcolm, who is black would have the same description of the wedding...if he was telling me about it.  He'd say, "Kev, it would be a different kind of experience for you"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 15, 2008, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on May 15, 2008, 02:27:45 PM
Try being married in a Jewish ceremony.  They dropped me out of the freaking chair during the chair dance :D.

Or a ceremony where the processional was the violin solo from Ken Burn's Civil War, the recessional was "Friend of the Devil" by the Dead, a ceremony performed at an outdoor, Farmer's Market by a cleric in full, Scottish regalia, and consumption of thirty gallons of home brew before the wedding even started?   :o
Guests 30  Groom 0  >:( >:( >:(  

Point being?  All weddings, and the entourage, seem to have their quirks and oddities - some more than others  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on May 15, 2008, 05:23:00 PM
Or a wedding where the groom goes off to buy a keg and gets lost on the way to his future in laws' beach house where the wedding is set to be, shows up late and finds the bride-in-waiting near tears while an ugly dyke plays the Hawaiian Love Song on a Gibson acoustic guitar and the best man also gets lost and doesn't show up till it's all over but the keg tapping and some poor sap who's been in a bong all night is snatched out of the crowd to be a stand in best man and thirty years later (yep, 30 years ago April 15) everybody looks at the old wedding photos and asks, "Who's that guy? And why is he wearing a Grateful Dead t-shirt at a wedding and holy shyte, the groom looks like Frank Freakin' Zappa with all that long hair and wild ass mustache and  Good Gawd, pop! Is that that really YOU?"

Eric, I went to some African American friends wedding a number of years ago and the bride and groom jumped over a broom during the ceremony. Customs are customs. I know Adam, too and I don't think for a minute he was doing anything other than taking note. The dude's not a racist.

Thanks to all of you for taking note of the expansion of Clan Palmer. May we have bairns galore. An Irish toast to both couples: May you live as long as you want to. May you want to as long as you live.

Doc, Saints, Ben, Bob and all the rest of you - great hearing from you. And yes, ya gotta love miscreants and reprobates.

I've been collecting old vinyl albums for the past year. My man room is almost full. Mrs. JacketsFan bought me a sick turntable and sound system for Christmas and I've filled the walls with Grateful Dead posters, Jimi Hendrix, Van Morrison and all kinds of other hippie era memorabilia. I even picked up a three frame black and white shot of Jerry Garcia taken by the Dead's official photographer when I was in Lake Tahoe last month. My man room is starting to look like Max Yazgur's farm.

Bob, here's one for you:

I don't want no doctor to a stick a needle in me. Why does it hurt when I pee?

Adios, boyos.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 15, 2008, 06:36:29 PM
Back with a vengeance, eh Joe?

Nice quote - feel like I've "been juked with a baby octopus and spewed upon with creamed corn."  We'll skip the Yoohoo bottle line...  ;D Trust some of that vintage vinyl contains big hit singles with a bullet in the charts.  We need to compare some notes on inventories  8)  Something to do during pre-season - jammin' with Jorma.

Pass the Plavix, fellow Cardio-Clubber - "Let It Bleed."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on May 15, 2008, 08:06:13 PM
What say you pre-season prognosticators about the state of the conference? Will MSJ go quadraphonic? Will Franklin 's star continue to rise and eclipse all others?

Bob, I'm to the point now where I'm starting to round out my LP collection with as many of the particular artists' vinyls as I can get my grubby paws upon. Definitely we need to compare liner notes. Here's some for you. Test yer trivia:

But he'll always be a problem to his poor and puzzled mother, and he'll always be another one of us. He said he wanted heaven but prayin' was too slow, so he bought a one way ticket on an airline made of snow.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on May 15, 2008, 08:14:56 PM
Oops! Nearly forgot. Doc, congrats on the two engagements. May you have sons worthy of your daughters and as stand up as their father in law. Ben, congrats on drafting another player for your O-line.

Sayer, the fish are in a feeding frenzy down here, dude. Get your ass back down here and let's go again. The rest of are welcome to come, too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 16, 2008, 08:47:15 AM
Thomas More has released their 2008 schedule...looks like John Carroll is coming to play at the new on campus facility on for the season opener on September 6th.

The young Saints team will be tested early...I like this addition.

9/6     John Carroll
9/14   open
9/20   at Waynesburg*
9/27   Westminster*
10/4   at Bethany*
10/11 St. Vincent*
10/18 at Grove City*
10/25 Thiel*
11/1   W&J*
11/8   at Geneva*
11/15 Mount Saint Joseph

*PAC League Games


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 16, 2008, 10:08:40 AM
JCU should prove an excellent, early season barometer and nice way to christen the new turf, Kevin.

Quote from: JacketsFan on May 15, 2008, 08:06:13 PM


But he'll always be a problem to his poor and puzzled mother, and he'll always be another one of us. He said he wanted heaven but prayin' was too slow, so he bought a one way ticket on an airline made of snow.




"Did you say you saw your good friend flyin' low - flyin' low - dyin' slow?"

Lookin' for Hoyt or the gutteral belching, East German reprobate?  "I like to dream..."  8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on May 16, 2008, 08:12:12 PM
Ah, just for the sake of getting attention, I will be 54 tomorrow. Man, I remember when I had high school teachers half this age and I thought they were old!

Bob, ol' buddy, you win the Golden Chopper award for guessing that one;

But I'll kill him with my bible, and my razor and my gun ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 17, 2008, 01:11:45 AM
What guess, oh Collector of Virgin Vinyl and AARP solicitations?

I was reading Hesse in Jr English the year the Sparrows disbanded and the canine figurehead of the Dionysian Complex escaped the Bay for relo in LA... Tough year - Sooki Sooki and St Stephen were so diametrically opposed - "in and out of the garden he goes"

BTW, Happy Birthday Young'n!  Another year Ms JacketsFan has spared your life? 

And back to football, before we're sent to the purgatory of assisted living  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 17, 2008, 07:17:46 PM
I didn't know stating that going to a wedding with a lot of African American's being a different experience would have gotten me in so much trouble. Big E...relax. It was a very fun time, just a different kind of culture than I am accustomed to as a white kid who grew up in white, suburban America. The guy who got married by the way was Ken Jones. I appologize if I came off as being a bit of a bigot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 17, 2008, 07:19:06 PM
Joe, I'll be in Diego this summer splashing around in the Pacific. I will make it back down to Florida some time...hopefully sooner than later.

My old lady has wedding fever and we're not even engaged.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 18, 2008, 01:38:41 PM
Good to hear that she doesn't mind marryin a bigot.   ;D


I'll call you this week about this weekend...btw, its ON like Donkey Kong
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 20, 2008, 02:37:51 PM
Macke...My stomach still hasn't recovered from Saturday. I left Lawless place at 8, drank a couple riders on my way back, and finally passed out for 2 hours at 10. I went from 6am Saturday morning till 10am Sunday morning without any sleep.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 20, 2008, 03:15:11 PM
Dang Sayer- I bet your Monday felt great at work ;).  What are riders by the way? 
I always hated the feeling when I was out and about for a night of festivities & I would notice the sun had rising.  I knew then that my day was ruined & probably the next too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 20, 2008, 04:22:41 PM
riders is something thats going to land MSJ on probation after an investigation... :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 20, 2008, 08:55:28 PM
Riders are beers you take while riding in the car. Probably not a good idea, but hey, I was already in a different state of mind. Monday was a struggle, even though I fell asleep at 8:30 Sunday night.

Kevin...you're a d!ck! Give me a shout or send me a message. Let me know what's up for the weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 20, 2008, 10:11:41 PM
has_been in DC land those are known as "Road Pops"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 21, 2008, 10:16:23 AM
In "dark ages" at DC, referred to road brew as EGFs (enhanced glomerular function).  Decades later, in ridge runner country, Ms. Caves and I resort to nips of homemade stumpblower as "rheumatiz medicine" unless alum representative shows for endowment shakedowns with fancy, store-bought goods.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2008, 11:42:03 AM
NEW TOPIC: 


Coming off a 2007 season that saw two HCAC Teams participate in the Playoffs....

Where does HCAC Football compare to some of the other conferences out there...excluding the WIIAC and OAC? 

What do you think needs to happen for the Champ of this conference to be able to compete at the National Level (we've only been able to COMPETE at the Regional Level).

My thoughts to follow later today...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2008, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2008, 11:42:03 AM
NEW TOPIC: 


Coming off a 2007 season that saw two HCAC Teams participate in the Playoffs....

Where does HCAC Football compare to some of the other conferences out there...excluding the WIIAC and OAC? 

What do you think needs to happen for the Champ of this conference to be able to compete at the National Level (we've only been able to COMPETE at the Regional Level).

My thoughts to follow later today...
All-time playoff record of the HCAC since the era of the Pools began...

1-10.  We SCAC/Millsaps fans think that they were a better team.  We think that the numbers just worked in favor of MSJ as opposed to Millsaps.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 21, 2008, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2008, 11:42:03 AM
NEW TOPIC: 


Coming off a 2007 season that saw two HCAC Teams participate in the Playoffs....

Where does HCAC Football compare to some of the other conferences out there...excluding the WIIAC and OAC? 

What do you think needs to happen for the Champ of this conference to be able to compete at the National Level (we've only been able to COMPETE at the Regional Level).

My thoughts to follow later today...

Program consistency (exceptions granted MSJ and Franklin, lately), value-added features of campus environment, endowment/foundation strengths as related to scholarship/financial aid packages, expansion of recruitment base, and regional media coverage in addition to sporadic local support.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2008, 04:47:08 PM
Ralph,

You're right....it was the extra loss that did Millsaps in.  I remember Dubose's gamble early in the season, by removing starters and IMO, that cost them.

I believe it was a fluke for the HCAC to have two teams....unless they play better competition and keep their winning % up there...

Also, if you look at prior to the pools being established, Hanover was a worthy playoff opponent...if you look back further.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 22, 2008, 10:45:23 AM
If Franklin fields a team that is just as good as last years & w/ their experience they could be easily a top 25 caliber team.  MSJ looks to field a pretty good team again too.  I would like to say DC will be in the mix, but w/o a QB there could be some trouble at the Hive!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 22, 2008, 03:30:33 PM
Sayer,

Check your hotmail account.

re:  TMC Update

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 22, 2008, 03:43:01 PM
Franklin has done a very good job proving that they can compete with "big time" programs. They beat a very good Wabash team 2 years ago, played them very tough last year, and lost last second during a playoff game to the CCIW Champ. MSJ showed the same last year. They hung with Wabash till the end and beat one of the better CCIW teams. Say what you want about the CCIW being "down" last year, but top to bottom they are better than the HCAC. As a whole, I don't know how much good it does the conference having 1 or 2 standout teams, but the top teams in the HCAC (MSJ and FC) have proven they can compete with traditionally good teams in recent years.

I think for the HCAC to compete on the national level, they need to branch out their recruiting. We had a huge discussion on this a while back involving why Wheaton is usually so good year in and year out (Wheaton being an example). They get kids from all over the U.S. Their recruiting isn't limited to the Chicago, NW Indiana, and SE Wisconsin area. I think that's the biggest factor in terms of establishing a program. You need connections in the South, out in California, etc. Ohio plays some damn-good football, but there are kids out there in other lands who can play and are being overlooked by the DI schools just because they arn't DI good.

I'm almost ashamed to say this, but look at Rashan, MSJ's QB a few years back. Unbelieveably talented...just couldn't play QB and was a cancer. But he was one hell of an athlete. He was from Texas. You need to be able to recruit nationally to be a national contender.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2008, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2008, 04:47:08 PM
Ralph,

You're right....it was the extra loss that did Millsaps in.  I remember Dubose's gamble early in the season, by removing starters and IMO, that cost them.

I believe it was a fluke for the HCAC to have two teams....unless they play better competition and keep their winning % up there...

Also, if you look at prior to the pools being established, Hanover was a worthy playoff opponent...if you look back further.


I think some North Region dynamics may favor the HCAC as new Pool A conferences come on board.

The old IBFC is will be two Pool A conferences by 2010, if not sooner.  (The NATHC and the SLIAC.)  That extra Pool A bid will pull a Pool B bid away from the usual suspects.  The geographic proximity of ostensibly "weaker" conferences may juggle the brackets to where the HCAC is now a 4/5 playing a 5/4 or even a #3 drawing a #6 instead of being the #6 or #7 and going on the road.  (The other Pool B schools going to Pool A this year are the Northwest Conference schools.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 22, 2008, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 22, 2008, 03:43:01 PM
I think for the HCAC to compete on the national level, they need to branch out their recruiting. We had a huge discussion on this a while back involving why Wheaton is usually so good year in and year out (Wheaton being an example). They get kids from all over the U.S. Their recruiting isn't limited to the Chicago, NW Indiana, and SE Wisconsin area. I think that's the biggest factor in terms of establishing a program. You need connections in the South, out in California, etc. Ohio plays some damn-good football, but there are kids out there in other lands who can play and are being overlooked by the DI schools just because they arn't DI good.

While you may be able to establish particular pipelines in targeted areas, only a handful of d3 schools have any real hope of truly national recruiting.  And Wheaton is an unworkable model.  Billy Graham's alma mater has a unique status among at least some segments of evangelicals - kind of like Notre Dame or BYU among their constituencies.  Wheaton doesn't really directly recruit nationally; their status and network does it for them.  Probably a great majority of potential recruits would never consider Wheaton because of what they are (nor would they be welcomed at Wheaton), but enough are lusting (dare I use that term? :D) to go there that the effect is truly national recruiting.  (If only more physics and engineering 'geeks' were athletic, Caltech and MIT would be unbeatable! ;))
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 23, 2008, 07:43:27 AM
Ah, finally recovered from this past weekend.  Now who ready to do it all over again.

Sayer, I don't even remmber what they looked like!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 23, 2008, 07:45:00 AM
Sayer,

I'll be calling you today about this weekend. 

Sorry about just getting to this now, our weeks as you can probably imagine, really suck in the lead up to Holidays where food is consumed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2008, 11:11:11 AM
Kevin, I tried calling you last night....Get a little too crazy during the fights. Personally, I didn't think they were that good. The Penn-Sherk fight was good for a little bit, but I was expecting a little more.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 26, 2008, 07:29:47 PM
WE got a little crazy and then I misplaced my phone.  We ended up closing The Stand, in Mount Lookout
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2008, 11:18:13 PM
Jay Bruce is a freak. It was nice to say I was at the game where it all started for the future rookie of the year and Hall of Famer  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 28, 2008, 07:38:18 AM
what was the final score?  I saw that rally that was like in the 7th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on May 28, 2008, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2008, 11:18:13 PM
Jay Bruce is a freak. It was nice to say I was at the game where it all started for the future rookie of the year and Hall of Famer  ;D

Were going to miss him down here with the Louisville Bats their AAA Affiliate. Wish him the best of luck.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 28, 2008, 11:42:25 AM
KY,

The Bats' Fans were lucky at the level of nepotism shown by Dusty Baker for Cory Patterson, who needs released at this point.  If not for this stupid, stupid signing we'd have had Bruce in the Nasty since Spring Training.

Did anyone hear how loud the crowd booed CP last night after he flew out on the 2nd pitch during his PH appearance?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 28, 2008, 04:19:23 PM
I was there and heard it well. Though I think that also could have been the crowd yelling "BRUUUUUUCE" just to make a point. I'll tell ya what, Aaron Harang, Edison Volquez, Johnny Cueto, Homer Bailey, and Bronson Arroyo isn't a bad 5-man rotation...which is what I will suspect we will see by the All-Star break. Throw in there Joey Votto (who should be the leading rookie of the year candidate at this point), Jay Bruce (who may become the rookie of the year), Brandon Phillips, and Jeff Keppinger when he gets healthy, and the Redlegs should be all right.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 29, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
Hope everyone had a good Holiday weekend.  I gotta get up at 4 AM to be at the hospital at 5am to induce labor for our 2nd boy (heaven forbid we put the DR's out and an induced baby comes late afternoon) of course like a "Dildo"...sorry that is not PC...of course like "DC_Has_been" i am sitting here at 12:20 tryign to get work done.  crap i am going to be tired, this freaking propsal better close.

here is the dumbass move of the day,  a lady i fired in december because she was a crappy sales person had me do a reference for her to get a sales job.  lucky for her i can only be limited in what i am allowed to say.  except when they ask, is she eligable for re-hire in a sales role and did she make her numbers?  was i wrong to say Hell no and only if her quota was negative!!  seriously that is like asking your parole officer for letter of reccomendation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 29, 2008, 07:40:08 AM
And these People reproduce!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 29, 2008, 08:27:31 AM
haha..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 29, 2008, 09:40:19 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on May 29, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
Hope everyone had a good Holiday weekend.  I gotta get up at 4 AM to be at the hospital at 5am to induce labor for our 2nd boy (heaven forbid we put the DR's out and an induced baby comes late afternoon) of course like a "Dildo"...sorry that is not PC...of course like "DC_Has_been" i am sitting here at 12:20 tryign to get work done.  crap i am going to be tired, this freaking propsal better close.

Hey, congrats and good luck!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 29, 2008, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on May 29, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
Hope everyone had a good Holiday weekend.  I gotta get up at 4 AM to be at the hospital at 5am to induce labor for our 2nd boy (heaven forbid we put the DR's out and an induced baby comes late afternoon) of course like a "Dildo"...sorry that is not PC...

Best wishes to Ms. dc_alum for an easy "go of it" and for one last night of sleep for yourself before her release.  Wouldn't want her to opt for the maternity discount bonus by getting you strapped in the "open seat" chair before you have produced Springboro's future o-line...  ;D ;D ;D  

In all serious, congratulations on the new addition to the Lewis clan!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 29, 2008, 08:33:21 PM
Congrats on the baby Ben!!! I rather be a "dildo" vs. a female hygiene product.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 29, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
There isn't a sex toy out there that's been in more women that Saintsfan  ;D

I hope its a while before I have kids but congrats on yours. I'm hoping I can be as lucky with boys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 30, 2008, 08:16:32 AM
well, this is my last day as a freeman, tommorrow I get married
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 30, 2008, 10:11:28 AM
"A woman cries before the wedding, and the man cries after."

"The secret to a happy marriage remains secret."

                                                   - Henny Youngman

Best of luck tomorrow - the nose ring isn't too bad until the lead's attached and tugged!  ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 30, 2008, 01:45:07 PM
Have a great day tomorrow M & L, for me it was a perfect day & I hope yours is the same!  Just remember to eat something before the ceremony & don't do to many Patron shots before the wedding ;D.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 30, 2008, 02:01:43 PM
There is still time  ;)

Macke, If you have arranged seats, switch my name with someone and get me close to the bar.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 30, 2008, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: M and L on May 30, 2008, 08:16:32 AM
well, this is my last day as a freeman, tommorrow I get married

Congrats ahead of time, M&L.  Don't look down as you walk that plank!!

Just kidding....  Good luck.

One thing...don't play golf the morning of as I did....you WILL be too drunk before the wedding.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 01, 2008, 02:24:02 AM
Macke is finally married...whynit took him soo long to go to the hotle to bang his wifeis beyond me...but, I was and still am ****faced.

Signed...the warewolves of London
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 01, 2008, 01:01:43 PM
same with my wedding. Adam....its their day and they probably wanted to spend as much time with people they don't know as they could.

Time flies at those things for the couple.


TMC Golf Outing.

Good turnout, good fun.  Coach Vic Clark, Dean Paul were there.  Too much sun and suds though for me.  I woke up in a hotel today in Ft Wright...no driving for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 02, 2008, 09:15:35 AM
The reception was great. Probably the best wedding reception I've ever been to. We took our shirts off and left the vests/ties on and made a pyramid...when Jim's father in-law tried to complete it by jumping on top we all crashed to the floor. Everyone took the word "rental" seriously as their tux's were soaked in alcohol by the end of the evening. I danced with 2 80 year old ladies and thought they were going to pull out the singles  :D
It wouldn't have been an A-outing Saturday night if I hadn't gotten warmed up on Friday with the 8th grade graduation as I was rockin the Cupid Shuffle and the Electric Slide for the kids.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 03, 2008, 08:48:12 AM
i know Sayer did not see this since he was grinding sommeone's great gramma on Sat, but anyone watch the MMA on CBS?  that dude Kimbo fought was crazy, when they showed the closeup slowmo of that dude getting hit with all the power Kimbo had ne didnt even blink just eyes wide open and a look that got crazier.  i am suprised his nasty cauliflower ear did not fall of, he looked like dumbo with a golf ball in his ear.

best fight of the night was the girls...the chick who is an American Gladiator is smoking hot and completly badass wiht her fists.  the other gilr looked like elephant man by the end of the fight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 03, 2008, 08:54:45 AM
70,

That Kimbo fight was GOD-awful.  The "contender" should have put him away during the first two rounds if he wasn't being paid to suck more than he usually does.  I agree the ear thing was gross....but I also think that part was set up.  Don't you think a fighter in the weeks leading up to a big NATIONALLY TELEVISED fight would try to get some of the cauliflower ear drained?  I know most of them have it....but not to the extent of the schlep that fought Kimbo.

Terrible all around.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 03, 2008, 10:13:23 AM
Also...the playing surface has been installed at Bank of Kentucky Field....  if you want to see pictures:
   
http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/albums_construction.cfm?group=The%20Bank%20of%20Kentucky%20Construction%20Photos


Thomas More also released a list of kids who have MADE DEPOSITS (which we all know is a committment to the program) for 2008.  We will have 66 rookies in 2008...and it looks like the staff did VERY well in the Cincinnati area. 

http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/PDFs/08FBRelease.pdf
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 03, 2008, 12:50:33 PM
there were several that were suggesting that he purposely did not get it drained to provide an out.  there were a couple of times in the first 2 rounds where the contender nearly saw stars with a KO but never went out.  that was suprising becuse he historically has a glass chin and he took some bombs.  once it went to the gound it was weak.

have you seen the Kimbo vs Sean Gannon fight on you tube?  only fight Kimbo lost that was a 10min slug fest
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 03, 2008, 01:08:31 PM
Was Sean Gannon the alleged police officer who was later fired for the fight?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 03, 2008, 01:42:07 PM
Yep, thats a decent fight....

and yessir...has_been, they are saying they'll fire him from the Police Department if he continues to fight.  For now, he's just working out and waiting (probably for a contract) before he leaves the PD.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 03, 2008, 06:36:46 PM
Once Cauliflower Ear hardens, you can't drain it. I have a little (not nearly as bad as that guy) and once I finally went to the doctor, it was too hard to mess with. It's very tender and painful and I can guarentee what that guy had took many years of hard work to develop. He probably had it drained a couple times but I've heard of guys who have it drained, and once the stitching and cotton is removed, the first hit or bump causes it to swell again. Eventually you're left with an ear you can't hear out of cause it closes up. It is very painful to have though...but not nearly as paindful as his condition is now.

I heard a couple of DP kids were on TMC's list but I didn't see any. We're poor around The Park and they may be a little late getting registered. I finally registered for classes my freshman year the Friday before our TMC scrimmage. And is it bad I don't know the kid from Purcell?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 03, 2008, 06:41:25 PM
Speaking of Purcell, I was offered a Special Education job there today. I have a meeting with the Principal on Thursday and if it will pay me what I want ($30-35,000 - I know, Kevin makes that in a week) I'll be teaching, the varsity OL coach, an asst. wrestling coach, and they want me to coach track. Should work out to be a pretty sweet gig and I'll make between $37-40,000 for the year versus around $33,000 at St. John's.

I know JP still reads this and Brian Miller's kid looks more like him than it does Brian. Hmmmmm.  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 03, 2008, 09:49:39 PM
in a week??  I wish, but its possible with some of the cats we got out there. 

Making $35K doing something you love is well worth it if you ask me...even if it is at Purcell Marion.

keep your eyes peeled for the RB from LaSalle HS, Kendall Owens....I remember him because I paid attention to HS Football the last few years.  If he can pick up the offense, imagine him and Collier in the backfield together, behind a strong and experienced offensive line.  Add to that we get Stellman back at QB...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 04, 2008, 09:09:26 AM
dont you just love sales!!  problem is consitency, 30-40K bonus are doable just not every week.  of course that would come out to about 1.8M in a year.  we did have a guy last year that pulled 1m but he closed 56M against a quota of 12M.  In Sales that is called an F.U. year.  so in the future when you boss pisses you off you look at you savings and say "F.U." 

Most corporate sales positions you should be able to consitently do 150-250k a year but the problem is the job sucks most of the time.  they have to pay well becuase if you do it past the age of 55 you will be sitting next to JacketsFan in the exploding heart wing of your local ER. 

My Brother called my last week, it was 2 in the afternoon and he said summer break started yesterday and i am still in my underwear just watching the NFL network.  I am still waiting to hit the Lottery so i can retire and go coach for fun
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 04, 2008, 10:57:44 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 04, 2008, 09:09:26 AM
dont you just love sales!!  problem is consitency, 30-40K bonus are doable just not every week.  of course that would come out to about 1.8M in a year.  we did have a guy last year that pulled 1m but he closed 56M against a quota of 12M.  In Sales that is called an F.U. year.  so in the future when you boss pisses you off you look at you savings and say "F.U." 

Most corporate sales positions you should be able to consitently do 150-250k a year but the problem is the job sucks most of the time.  they have to pay well becuase if you do it past the age of 55 you will be sitting next to JacketsFan in the exploding heart wing of your local ER. 

55, h*ll - try joining the cardiac club at 50 after 24 yrs of bag-schlepping.  JacketsFan and I compare shaving techniques among pre-op nurses.  ;D ;D
Even got a initiation invite for the DC chapter of the Coronary Club from Randy Buchman at the time - hmmm or were the financial buzzards circling?  ::) 8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 04, 2008, 01:31:30 PM
only had 2 surgeries and since i am not a gorrilla like some saving my back was not required for the one.  the other was a type of hernia and no one wants to compare those pre-op shaving stories
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 04, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
I've had three surgeries since college....but none are stress related.  They were all due to the fact I'm a weekend warrior on the softball field and flag football field. 

Two shoulders (about to be three) and one knee.

1Million is a F.U number.  I dream of that scenario....one day, it WILL be me.  Maybe not here....but somewhere. 

cave,

I just let the nurses do my shaving when I'm going in....I've been lucky and had a hottie the last two times...though my girlfriend at the time was with me for both.....
Nurse to SaintsFAN:  "don't worry, when we wake ppl up from anethesia, rigamortis does usually take place in certain *ahem* areas."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 05, 2008, 09:48:36 AM
did your GF ask why they were shaving your junk for a shoulder surgery!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 05, 2008, 02:10:38 PM
What?  I even shaved my junk for a dentist appointment!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 05, 2008, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on June 05, 2008, 02:10:38 PM
What?  I even shaved my junk for a dentist appointment!

Someone's taking liberties with the nitrous tank - will refrain from the obvious cavity jokes... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 05, 2008, 02:48:52 PM
Has_Been no one is interested in your all male dentist office antics.

My boy is now a week old and i just heard him crap from the other side of the house...you got to love that boob milk has the same digestive qualities of the Old Milwaukee and Taco Bell combo
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 05, 2008, 04:43:41 PM
I am the newest Purcell Marion teacher. I still don't make much and it's not as much as I wanted but it's about $2,500 more than what I was scheduled to make next year at St. John's, it offers me the chance to coach 3 sports (all at the same school), and it's only a 10-15 minute drive down the interstate. I am also able to stay in the "extremely" discounted Master's program through Xavier University.

The only problem is I have to set up my own retirement accound like everyone else and the Archdiocese doesn't match anything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 05, 2008, 04:43:41 PM
The only problem is I have to set up my own retirement accound like everyone else and the Archdiocese doesn't match anything.

You're still young and you can live with this for a while but you don't want to live like this forever.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 05, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
Once I get my Master's Degree, which will be in Special Education, I will be searching for public school positions ASAP. I don't have a problem working a few extra years to get my STRS up to a decent amount to make up for the years in the Catholic Schools.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 06, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Congratulations on the new position, Adam.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 09, 2008, 08:10:40 AM
Congrats Adam...

BTW, I just saw you called last night.  I didn't have time to check my vm.  I was crashed out from Put-in-Bay. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 09, 2008, 04:21:49 PM
I spent the weekend with the future inlaws and after that I had a few drinks to bring myself back to the normal world. I don't remember calling last night. Nothing like having a future mother in law who doesn't have a sense of humor, is offended by everything, always thinks you're picking on her little girl, and feels she needs to put her two cents in whenever she wants.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 09, 2008, 08:32:54 PM
a drunk dial from a dude!!

thats what all mother-in-laws are like, Adam....if you're lucky.

They can also be much, much worse....but you aren't dating/marrying her.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 09, 2008, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 09, 2008, 04:21:49 PM
I spent the weekend with the future inlaws and after that I had a few drinks to bring myself back to the normal world. I don't remember calling last night. Nothing like having a future mother in law who doesn't have a sense of humor, is offended by everything, always thinks you're picking on her little girl, and feels she needs to put her two cents in whenever she wants.

Welcome to In-laws...wait till she gets to meet your boys at the wedding who dont care about offending her
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 11, 2008, 02:52:59 PM
Fort
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 09, 2008, 09:15:44 PM

Welcome to In-laws...wait till she gets to meet your boys at the wedding who dont care about offending her
Lucky for your wife she was well prepared before the wedding! :D  Plus it is almost impossible to offend her anyway.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 11, 2008, 03:57:18 PM
My ex-wife's mom was DEAD-SET against having ANY alcohol at the wedding because alcoholism runs in her family...  that was a classic seeing her and my old man going back and forth about it. 

It was open bar at my wedding..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 11, 2008, 05:12:40 PM
Well Kevin...you can't be Catholic and not like drinking and gambling :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 12, 2008, 09:03:25 AM
Exactly....I'm good at both....didn't bode well for fitting into that family
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 15, 2008, 12:09:49 PM
To all you infarcted, subjected, expected, and/or suspected sperm donors, Happy Father's Day!   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 17, 2008, 09:20:37 AM
My youngest son Andy Clark made his professional pitching debut with the Florence Freedom of the Frontier League last night and came away with the win as they won 5 - 1.

I know this is the football board, but since he played football during his first two years at Franklin I thought it was appropriate to post. Plus being a proud Papa.

Following is a link for the game recap:

http://www.florencefreedom.com/2008scores/flo6160.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 17, 2008, 10:03:26 AM
Congrats to you, KYGrizzly. 

Thats quite a pitching effort.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 17, 2008, 10:47:15 AM
That's a great start to a professional career.  Giving up only 3 hits in 7.1 innings shows a lot especially when it's his first start.  Congrats KyGrizzly!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 17, 2008, 02:27:54 PM
Thanks guys, My wife and I were fortunate that the game was played just a little more than an hour away from the house and was able to watch the game in person.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 17, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
KYGrizzly:

Yes, congratulations on your son's debut in PB.  That is great and I wish him all the best.  You and your wife can certainly be very proud parents and I hope you both will be able to attend some of his other games.  Keep us posted.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 19, 2008, 05:21:31 PM
I wanted to be the pitcher when I was in little league...worked out about as well as me being the team QB in little league.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 19, 2008, 08:37:41 PM
yeah my pitching career last 2 innings ....

I was 12 and had always just played SS...I retired the side in the 1st inning and then hit three batters in the 2nd inning...including the last guy in the head.  Nobody could hit me, but nobody knew where it was going.  They yanked me and I never got on the hill again..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 19, 2008, 09:01:03 PM
SaintsFAN and Sayer:

I know what you guys mean!  My attempt at pitching in LL was a hilarious failure also - I couldn't get the ball over the plate; which is why I stuck to playing 2nd base when I played baseball in h.s. as it was a shorter throw!  All this being another reason why I stuck with my first love fb in college.  Much easier to hit people and bat down passes!  My brother, on the other hand, was 10 X the athlete I was; a two sport standout in college in baseball and FB, although baseball was his first love.

Anyway, at least with LL baseball, I always liked getting the T-shirt and hat with the local sponsor's name on it:  Bob's Gulf Station - Gas for Less!  At least we looked good! ;D ::) :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 20, 2008, 07:12:37 AM
formerd3db,

I got to play with the mesh team colored hats with the white foam from (for writing) and lime green uniforms (used to be forest green) that you had to wash 17 times before wearing.  At least you had unis.

I would have probably stuck with it except for the fastball I stepped into....thinking it was a curve ball....shattered my nose and ruined my confidence in my freshman year of HS.  Everytime I saw a pitch after I came back from that...my lead step was towards the 3rd base dugout and I knew I was done....there weren't sports psychologists in 1991.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 20, 2008, 08:36:47 AM
Little Caesars was my team when I was little...they dont even have those around here anymore. I stopped cause my eyesight became terrible and I couldn't see the ball very well once 7th grade came. It didn't help that I played a year up, but once I wasn't good anymore, I stopped and focused on football and wrestling.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 20, 2008, 11:29:40 AM
Back when I was in little league (late 1960's) we wore the old white cloth uniforms that you had to turn back in every year. The color of the sponsors name and numbers were bright orange with orange hat. Sponsors name was Community Shop Towel. We did get to keep the hats.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on June 20, 2008, 12:07:20 PM
My first three years of LL we were allowed to keep shirts and the hats.  Lenzen Trucking, Rouse's Service Station, and Dymond Glass were the different sponsors.  Then the league figured out they could save money by buying shirts with professional teams on them and having you turn them in every year.  You still got to keep the hat, which was just a generic baseball hat with no logo that was the same color of the team assigned. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 20, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
SaintsFAN, Sayer, KYGrizz and matblake:

Great memories you guys!  Indeed, it was always great to keep the hat.  I remember as if it were yesterday the excitement when our LL coach announced at the end of the first practice that the hats and shirts had arrived, then brought out the cardboard box in which they were contained and distributed them.  Those small business owners of service stations, pizza places, janitorial services and other businesses, etc. that kindly contributed to our youth by being sponsors deserve a lot of credit.  Unfortunately, it just isn't like that anymore.

BTW, I also know what you mean about being hit by pitched balls, etc.  I've always thought it was very crazy to play the game of baseball with someone throwing an object at your body/head anywhere in excess of 60-100 mph and then us trying to hit with "a stick" - very weird.  On the other hand, I guess you could say that about us "footballers" in running around smashing into each other at full spead - some might even go so far as to say that is kind of like running into a brick wall just for the heck of it! ::) ;D  Anyway, to borrow the late great Bob Hope's patented line... "thanks for the memories" guys. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 20, 2008, 02:24:14 PM
Also SaintsFAN:  Congrats on your 2000th post here on the boards!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 20, 2008, 04:16:28 PM
Thanks, formerd3db....surprisingly, I don't have a speech prepared...but I'd like to thank you for inspiring debate and early arguments with 70, has-Been about how much better TMC was and is than DC....all of the Hanover crew (RIP) about how much TMC belonged in the HCAC...and finally arguments with Sayer talking about how classy his play was (as Coach Perry at Hanover would agree)...and how $hitty MSJ used to be.


But I digress....

Adam, there are still Little Caesars in Cincy.  We have one right nearby here the office.  Though it is considered Clermont County and there's a ton of rednecks, I think the place is actually busy..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 21, 2008, 08:24:12 AM
I'm right up there with "Classy" Freddie Blassie.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 23, 2008, 06:44:51 PM
formerd3db,

We get to celebrate 2000 again here shortly...somehow I lost 9 posts...  Maybe I'll let this coincide with my birthday coming up on Sunday...  Somehow I'll tie it all in..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2008, 09:13:30 PM
Note to all users:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?board=1546.0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 24, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
Let's try to get those 6 back Kevin w/ me saying that DC is better than TMC b/c the HCAC actually let us into the conference.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 24, 2008, 03:39:25 PM
Ya, but 1994 wasn't a bad year thou
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 24, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on June 24, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
Let's try to get those 6 back Kevin w/ me saying that DC is better than TMC b/c the HCAC actually let us into the conference.  ;)

haha....ok, touche.....but Thomas More is quite happy in a very, very competitive conference (top to bottom...no weeks off).

Coach Psconda messed things up by throwing up the white flag in the 4th Quarter in 2001...then saying they'd never be able to "compete with TMC" to a coach after the game.. We haven't played since..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 01, 2008, 10:03:19 AM
but don't let that chase you &uckers away....

Where is everyone?

We celebrated my 31st on Friday night at Jefferson Hall in Newport on the Levee.  Wow....there were pictures taken, unfortunately.

Never let chicks take your picture after they've force-fed you shots for the previous 4 hours.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 01, 2008, 04:24:17 PM
I fly out to Cali on Thursday. Lookin forward to the "scenery." I had to help the Ol Lady move her cousins on Saturday. I wish I had an excuse not to  :)

Been working on the golf game so hopefully, Kevin, I can join you on a TMC golf outing sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 02, 2008, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 17, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
KYGrizzly:

Yes, congratulations on your son's debut in PB.  That is great and I wish him all the best.  You and your wife can certainly be very proud parents and I hope you both will be able to attend some of his other games.  Keep us posted.

Best,
formerd3db
A little update on my son. He is now 3 - 0 after four starts getting the win last night. It helps a lot when the teams puts up nine runs in the bottom of the first inning. Game recap below:

http://www.florencefreedom.com/2008scores/flo7010.html

SaintsFan, happy belated 31st B-day. What it would be like to be 31 again.

I guess football season is right around the corner. Do the teams report about August 16th this year?Any word on how recruiting went for this coming season at any of the schools?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 02, 2008, 10:27:23 AM
"but don't let that chase you &uckers away....

Where is everyone?

We celebrated my 31st on Friday night at Jefferson Hall in Newport on the Levee.  Wow....there were pictures taken, unfortunately.

Never let chicks take your picture after they've force-fed you shots for the previous 4 hours.
"

It's the intimidation factor, Kevin, of being in the presence of a 2000 point man.  ;D

Congrats on another year of survival - may you enjoy many more; the definition of "many" is yours to consider.  It's beyond my comprehension as one, a quarter century beyond - just hope hairs atop my head continue to match the years.  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 07, 2008, 12:24:04 PM
Franklin College is ranked No. 25 in the USA Today Sports Weekly magazine pre-season Division III football poll for 2008.

Link: www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2008/7_1_fc_football.htm

Here is also a link on the death John Pont who started the football program at Mount St. Joseph in 1990: www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2008/7_1_pont_msj.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 07, 2008, 03:40:07 PM
Grizzly,

That is good news for Franklin to receive some pre-season recognition, and it is well-deserved.  Your opener against Baldwin-Wallace should be a good one, as they are typically a solid upper-tier team from the OAC.  Glad you have that one at home.

I clicked on the other links as well, and was surprised to see that Transylvania is part of the HCAC.  So, curious as to why Transy doesn't field a football team, I did a little digging, and found that Transy did indeed field a team in the 1800's all the way up through 1941 and the bombing of Pearl Harbor.  Here is a link to the story, for any who are interested...

http://www.transy.edu/news/magazine/TransFall06.pdf

So, HCAC fanatics, if John Pont can bring football to a former all-girls school, what's it going to take to get Transylvania back into the game? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 07, 2008, 06:17:23 PM
in regards to Coach Pont it is interesting the differences between Dayton and Cincy...it is pretty clear Miami University is not thought of highly around Cincy with UC, Xavier, MSJ, and TMC.  i get the Cincy TV Channels but read the Dayton paper.  All Cincy news would talk about is his work at MSJ and he passed through some other places (after a 30sec inteview with Huber i know get why you call him Rockin Rod - tell him to freaking breath when he talks).  the article in the Dayton Paper was all about his work at Miami.

just thought was interesting view living between the 2 towns...and i am bored sitting on a confernece call at 6:30 at night
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 07, 2008, 09:09:41 PM
70,

MU's A$$HOLE alumni (snobiest group I've come across in my 31 years) IMO, create this distaste for all things Miami here in Cincinnati. 

Now note:  I live in Hyde Park a suburb of young people and probably 3 out of 10 are grads of Miami, it seems....so its entirely possible that I'm just being an arse bc I run into them alot. 

Isn't Hubie great?  I got to talking with him one time at softball (he had an hour before his next game) and the guy really engaged me.  I think its very impressive the zeal for life he has....especially after all the bull$hit he's been through.   I dont care if thats someone from MSJ....I am a fan of Rod Huber.  Just like I am of Jim Hilvert....its no wonder to me that MSJ rose under these two guys. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 07, 2008, 09:17:08 PM
wabashcpa,

I have to admit something.....I totally thought you lost all sense of reason when I saw your post....simply because my mind was seeing the "S" in Transy...at the end of the word.  wow....  I need some sleep. 

With Transy NEVER spoken of in here, I think I'm going to use THAT as an excuse.


BTW...to all

re: Update on Sayer's punk-arse in Cali...

I got a message from him saying...dude Pacific Beach (near San Diego) is like nothing else ....I guess he really got to party over the 4th out there. 

I also told him that we need to get him out of teaching so he can do more $hit like that..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 07, 2008, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on July 02, 2008, 10:27:23 AM
"but don't let that chase you &uckers away....

Where is everyone?

We celebrated my 31st on Friday night at Jefferson Hall in Newport on the Levee.  Wow....there were pictures taken, unfortunately.

Never let chicks take your picture after they've force-fed you shots for the previous 4 hours.
"

It's the intimidation factor, Kevin, of being in the presence of a 2000 point man.  ;D

Congrats on another year of survival - may you enjoy many more; the definition of "many" is yours to consider.  It's beyond my comprehension as one, a quarter century beyond - just hope hairs atop my head continue to match the years.  :D

haha...that it is, my friend, that it is...  FYI, my party continued into the July 4th weekend..

Thursday and Saturday nights were "ghost rider nights of blackness"...

Great UFC though in Vegas last Saturday...anyone see?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 07, 2008, 09:49:28 PM
We get Sayer out of teaching and he can get paid to do activities like that. 

speaking of which i just booked my flights to vegas for the 11-16th of October for work at the Mandalay Bay.  Has Been i get out there early on Saturday you up for a road trip? I dont have anythign planned until likely some Golf on Sunday morning.  you could head out Sat morning and have no expenses since i have a rediculous expense account while i am out there and a room to crash in...you might have to show me some naked pictures of your wife but we are talking Mandalay Bay it is not like i would be putting you up in Circus Circus!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 10, 2008, 05:42:07 PM
Hey,

where the hell has everyone been?  Camp is just a few weeks away.  With High School starting in just two weeks.

any perdictions for this year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 11, 2008, 08:42:38 AM
Quote from: M and L on July 10, 2008, 05:42:07 PM
Hey,

where the hell has everyone been?  Camp is just a few weeks away.  With High School starting in just two weeks.

any perdictions for this year?

My Predictions
1. at least 3 Sundays we will login at some incoherent drunken ramblings at 3am from the night before courtesy of Adam Sayer.

2. one of these ramblings will speak of Saintsfan and some girl of loose morals from the night before.

3. closer to election time DC_Has_Been will start spewing his hippie liberal west coast crap.

4. weekly i will need to get a dictionary to figure out what in the hell Cave2Bens and JacketsFan are talking about.

5. Soon we will have a conversation about Fish Tacos (not counting prediction #2)  mmmmmmmm fish tacos "ahhhrgghh" in Homer Simpson voice.

6. JacketsFan will not knnow what to place the blame on w/o the Vetter chuck n' pray methodology of playing QB.

7. dont see a shift in power this year...Franklin and MSJ will be the elite in the conference, Andy, Bluffton, Manchester, RHIT will continue to be bad (RHIT best of them) Defiance will either compete with the elite or be a turd i dont see them being middle ground just depends on who steps up.

8. only the automatic bid makes the playoffs

9. OSU beats USC to piss off the nation (Has_Been trying to convince the wife to let me come to the game) and makes it back to the BCS championships

10. Bengals end up better than most people expect


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 11, 2008, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 11, 2008, 08:42:38 AM
Quote from: M and L on July 10, 2008, 05:42:07 PM
Hey,

where the hell has everyone been?  Camp is just a few weeks away.  With High School starting in just two weeks.

any perdictions for this year?

My Predictions
1. at least 3 Sundays we will login at some incoherent drunken ramblings at 3am from the night before courtesy of Adam Sayer.

2. one of these ramblings will speak of Saintsfan and some girl of loose morals from the night before.

3. closer to election time DC_Has_Been will start spewing his hippie liberal west coast crap.

4. weekly i will need to get a dictionary to figure out what in the hell Cave2Bens and JacketsFan are talking about.

5. Soon we will have a conversation about Fish Tacos (not counting prediction #2)  mmmmmmmm fish tacos "ahhhrgghh" in Homer Simpson voice.

6. JacketsFan will not knnow what to place the blame on w/o the Vetter chuck n' pray methodology of playing QB.

7. dont see a shift in power this year...Franklin and MSJ will be the elite in the conference, Andy, Bluffton, Manchester, RHIT will continue to be bad (RHIT best of them) Defiance will either compete with the elite or be a turd i dont see them being middle ground just depends on who steps up.

8. only the automatic bid makes the playoffs

9. OSU beats USC to piss off the nation (Has_Been trying to convince the wife to let me come to the game) and makes it back to the BCS championships

10. Bengals end up better than most people expect


"The answer my friend should be easy to see,
The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe."
 ;D

signed,

Phydeaux
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 11, 2008, 02:04:22 PM
haha...70. 

So I'm hurting today.  At 31, I don't recover like I used to..

We played and drank for three softball games last night...finally leaving the park at 1am.  We arrived at 5:30pm to start the festivities.  We did go 2-1....scoring 30 runs in the first two games....but lost the 3rd one to a team of turds because 1/2 the team was fall down drunk by the time the last game started at 11:40.  There was also the most redneck action you can witness in this last game...a fight between our two teams.  The other team was talking chit after TAKING WALKS the whole game......finally most of us snapped....between trying to hit their pitcher and yelling from the OF for their hitters to "take off their skirts"....the other team had a player get mad and slide into our 2nd baseman.  The riot ensued....and I was the first one to reach the infield from the OF.  Today, I'm sore....not sure if its from the 3 games or the elbows and haymakers that I landed while being punched. 

Funny thing is that one of the girls I'm dating was there to witness it all.  I know that I'm going to continue to date her because she ended up talking smack to one of the other teams female fans. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2008, 02:11:32 PM
That's a keeper, for sure!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 11, 2008, 02:27:00 PM
haha....for NOW, at least Mr. Coleman

;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 11, 2008, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 11, 2008, 02:04:22 PM
haha...70. 

So I'm hurting today.  At 31, I don't recover like I used to..

We played and drank for three softball games last night...finally leaving the park at 1am.  We arrived at 5:30pm to start the festivities.  We did go 2-1....scoring 30 runs in the first two games....but lost the 3rd one to a team of turds because 1/2 the team was fall down drunk by the time the last game started at 11:40.  There was also the most redneck action you can witness in this last game...a fight between our two teams.  The other team was talking chit after TAKING WALKS the whole game......finally most of us snapped....between trying to hit their pitcher and yelling from the OF for their hitters to "take off their skirts"....the other team had a player get mad and slide into our 2nd baseman.  The riot ensued....and I was the first one to reach the infield from the OF.  Today, I'm sore....not sure if its from the 3 games or the elbows and haymakers that I landed while being punched. 

Funny thing is that one of the girls I'm dating was there to witness it all.  I know that I'm going to continue to date her because she ended up talking smack to one of the other teams female fans. 

I thought I put a message on here earlier. Will try again.

Sounded like an exciting night of softball. We will be playing up at expressway park this weekend in a USSSA C/D NIT. We open up with TPE out of Trenton, Oh. Do you know anything about them?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 11, 2008, 03:55:32 PM
KY Grzz,

I "retired" from competitive softball after the World Tourny in 2005 in Orlando.  I played for Goodtimers (originally Greene's Flower Shop and Dawg Pack), Big O Softball, and Bobby Mackey's Softball in my illustrious career.  I played CF in the three man OF's and after 2005 I was beat up.  I ended up having knee surgery that November and shoulder surgery two months later.  I only play one night a week now and in a Sunday beer league (with wooden bats).

I do know TPE though...they are from Middletown/Dayton area...  they hit the ball very well, have played together for years and have a very good pitcher in Dave Grooms.  Depending on how good your team is....they should be a very worthy opponent.  Good luck.

I may be making an appearance at Expressway this weekend though...on Sunday.  Some of my buddies who still play these tournaments have been on me to stop by...and one of our old teams is being brought back to life.  I want to see how they do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 12, 2008, 12:14:09 AM
Thanks Saintsfan,

At times we are okay, we won the NSA "D" Super Worlds Series in 2006. My oldest son is on this team. I mainly just help with coaching and occasionally catch for them when we play in tournaments. I am playing mostly in 50 nd over now. If you happen to be up there on Sunday and Galaxy Softball is still playing look for the old guy coaching fitsy base, I'm sure there will be a few cold ones in my cooler.

I just got back from Florence wathing my youngset son pitch tonight. He is now 4 - 0. I will drive back up to Cincy in the morning had to get the wife and daughter home for baby shower.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 12, 2008, 09:00:43 AM
Last time a i played in one of those beer tourney's was still when i was up in DC and i had a truck full of 40's from the Budweiser plant.  buy the last game i was so smashed i struckout 3 times..............swinging
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 12, 2008, 12:32:48 PM
Struck out swinging!!!   :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 12, 2008, 04:03:22 PM
A wild swinger? Striking out three times?  In Defiance?  Oh My, am I sorry... ;D

Hope you found solace, 70, at Kistner's "working mans' bar."  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 12, 2008, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 12, 2008, 12:32:48 PM
Struck out swinging!!!   :o

you drink a truck ful of King Kobra 40's and see if you strike out swinging
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 12, 2008, 11:18:16 PM
Just like you used to strike out w/ the Alpha's :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 13, 2008, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 12, 2008, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 12, 2008, 12:32:48 PM
Struck out swinging!!!   :o

you drink a truck ful of King Kobra 40's and see if you strike out swinging

Maybe switch to Pinot Grigio or a crisp chablis (along with some alternative websites  ;)), and the "batting average" might improve?  Gotta love those extra base hits  ;D

Careful about dem Alpha jokes, Has Been - Mrs. Cave was their 1972 pledge trainer until she discovered the dark side of the DC campus - the freaks, Zappa, and the Dead.
8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 13, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
My bad Bob, but I'm sure the Alpha's had a different code of ethics after 72.
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 12, 2008, 09:27:51 PM

you drink a truck ful of King Kobra 40's and see if you strike out swinging

Think of King Kobra's just gave me an instant headache. 
When 70_dc_alum worked for the beer company I think I drank more beer than water that summer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 13, 2008, 05:19:30 PM
Hello all my HCAC friends:

You and I know that the fact we are speaking about "beer, softball, and various miscreant activities" means indeed it is the "off-season" and we might just have "too much time on our hands".  Well...perhaps the latter statement is stretching it a bit - actually a "big" bit so to speak! ;D 

At any rate, since Pat posted the poll question in front, personally I am getting excited about the upcoming d3 football season (and college football season in general), although I will admit that as there still is some summer left, I want to enjoy that.  Which is why I haven't voted in his poll as there was no choice saying..."Yes, I am excited but not quite ready for the kickoff to start yet as there still is some summer left which I would like to enjoy"! ;)

However, since the topic here recently has been beer, please allow me to submit the following question to all of you.  What do you think about the now probable buy-out of Anheisuer-Busch Company in St. Louis by that overseas brewing giant?  Kind of sad that an "American Institution" will be no more.  Then again, can you blame the owners of AB for taking the money? ??? - although I would think they had enough personal wealth already.  Perhaps they just wanted to "get out of the business" and time to "retire"??  Your opinions/thoughts will be interesting.  I will admit that while it is good, AB was not my favorite, although I am not a big or regular beer drinker - guess I like other types of "drink refreshments" when I do partake on special occasions.  :) (Like my daughter's upcoming wedding this week!).

Anyway, I hope you all are enjoying the summer - as usual, it is passing by all too quickly.  Later, friends.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 13, 2008, 05:30:37 PM
formerd3db- first of congrats on your daughter's upcoming wedding.  I hope you have enjoyed writing check after check ;).   To address your initial question I think it is a bummer when any U.S. company sells out to an international one.  Look out for that to happen with the big 3 automotive companies too.  You can't blame them though, especially the way the economy is now. 
I think that the U.S. should put tariffs on every good to help improve the U.S market, but with lobbyist involved I can't see anything improving.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 13, 2008, 05:57:04 PM
dc_has_been:

Thank you very much for the congrats.  Yes, indeed, the checks have been "flying off the pad", although I must admit, my wife and daughter's have done a great job in helping to keep the cost down.  Still, this just means I can't start thinking about retirement just yet as our other daughter is getting married next summer and I still have to pay off her last year at Hope this year and our other daughter's last year there as well ;)  Also, you can perhaps understand the "roller coaster" of emotions that I am going through with this upcoming event - while we are obviously happy for her (and us), it still a bit melencholy yet this is just one of life's milestones we all face.  On the other hand, I'm old and you're not so you might just think I'm kind of strange about all that! ;D  Anyway, thanks again for your congrats.

I agee with you on your comments regarding the beer situation.  Too bad, but that is, as you say, just what the current economic situation here is.  Things have been bad in many years past, however, while something needs to be done, I still have
hope
(and confidence) that things will turn out okay eventually.  We all must "Keep the Faith".  Hope your summer is going well.  I look forward to posting with you guys again this year when the season starts.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 14, 2008, 01:51:45 PM
Just razzin' you, Brad - Alphas had no ethics (except dating Thetas, footballers, or being cheerleaders in no particular order).  The aforementioned maiden looked northward, through a debilitating haze eminating from the Pilgrim Halls (RIP), surrendered her "pay-to-play" status, and fell in with evil, longhaired companions.  ;)

As far as Budweiser goes, it is a sad state of affairs, but not dissimilar to what's transpired with domestic control/ownership of telecommunications, pharmaceuticals, or medical diagnostics.  The only mild surprise with "The King" is that it wasn't Kirin, Ashai, or Tsing Tao - given the rice component in the Anheuser Busch products, vs an EU conglomerate.  Most of the Belgian and German concerns still adhere to Reinheitsgebot  ;D ;D  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 14, 2008, 07:12:27 PM
70,

You have a message on here from me. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 15, 2008, 01:34:18 PM
i am in St Louis Right now...you should see the front page to the St Louis Post yesterday...disapointing.  at least the told them to pound sand a few months ago when they offered 50/share and got it up to 70
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 15, 2008, 01:43:51 PM
Got it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 19, 2008, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 12, 2008, 09:00:43 AM
Last time a i played in one of those beer tourney's was still when i was up in DC and i had a truck full of 40's from the Budweiser plant.  buy the last game i was so smashed i struckout 3 times..............swinging

Did you see Chris Rock during the celebrity softball tournament???

I love playing softball. The only issue is, I played on bad teams the last couple of times I've played and decided not to play this year...coupled with all the weddings, football lifting, class and vacation, I wouldn't have had time anyway this summer. Back to bad teams...everyone I've ever played with tries to kill the ball instead of taking what the field gives them. Last time I played, I went 12-14 with 10 singles...for a whole season (we were run ruled numerous times).  I'd always slap a weak line drive over the shorstop's head. Everyone in the outfield always backed up for me so it always worked. I'd like to play again, but on a more competitive team.hint, hint, hint to anyone :)

Apologize for my leave of absence. Our home computer crashed and I am unable to connect to wireless on my laptop. Posts have been few and far between.

I played golf for the first time Thursday...on the back nine I shot a 58...we won't talk about the front nine. I think the key to golf is having a few beers while you play. Definately played a lot better with a slight buzz.

September 13 is fast approaching!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 21, 2008, 12:17:20 PM
Sorry Adam, my team is full.  We did have a "celebration" on Thursday night.. We won the Spring session of our league.  The game was played against the team tied for 1st with us.  We won 22-3 in 5 innings.. funny.

58 on the back?  Thats funny.  We had our company golf outing on Saturday at Elks Run in Batavia..  My team somehow tied for 1st and I had closest to the pin.. I lost the ball in the sun and my group started yelling because it landed 18 inches to the left of the hole and the spin brought it almost all the way back to the hole.  I've never had a hole in one, so I was hoping that it didn't go in....can you imagine what my bar tab would have been?? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 21, 2008, 01:28:58 PM
I've never understood that about golf. If I get a hole in one, people should be buying me drinks...not the otherway around. At the country club, a guy hit one and we charge $3 for a can of beer. He bought a case for $72...which sat in front of the pro shop. I happily joined the fun though I wasn't supposed to. A guy like me won't need to worry about that for a long time though. And damn it, I was happy with my 58 for never playing before.

This guy finally broke down and went ring shopping with the future mother in law. Didn't buy anything, but learned a lot from the jeweler and was shocked at how much diamonds really are (when you factor in color and clarity differences). Lookin at October being the time of season for asking pops for permission. I can't believe I'm actually considering this. I still feel like a 21 year old livin life.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 21, 2008, 01:34:46 PM
Sayer, some advice

1. Your computer crashed b/c you were looking at to much porn.

2. Take it from me, don't do it unless you are absoultly sure that is the last women you are willing to be with for the rest of your life.

PS  Golf Sucks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 21, 2008, 01:36:37 PM
I wish my summer has been as busy as yours, I'm bored out of my mind
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 21, 2008, 09:37:24 PM
The one thing that stinks about having summers off as a teacher for me is that everyone else has to work & I have nothing to do all day. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 21, 2008, 10:32:12 PM
Sayer, Has_been, 70, formerd3db,

Check your messages. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 27, 2008, 07:22:00 PM
Finally that time of year, bengals reported to camp today finally something to do on the weekend for the next 6 months.  cant wait for college ball to start.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 28, 2008, 11:26:27 AM
Yes, I'm looking forward to another stellar year by the Lions.  Especially with them putting in a new offense and blocking scheme it should be one to forget.   I'm still committed though.  I'm also surprised the Lions didn't try to trade for Johnson :D

On the college outlook it will be tough for both my teams DC & UofM considering neither has a QB to show right now.  I do at least know I'll be rooting for OSU to squash USC this year (I can't believe I said that).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 28, 2008, 12:46:20 PM
Recovering from surgery this morning... all signs thus far point to thumbs up.  Know more in 9 days..

Its about time for football season.   Does anyone else think Bluffton is going to win the HCAC??

ha (maybe the pain meds are talking)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 28, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
gotta love meds that make you think that way.

1 Bengals practice down and Odom left complex in a boot after being carted off the field.  damn there goes 30M.

Has_Been...Johnson would not go to the Lions, was looking for contenders
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 28, 2008, 01:11:06 PM
Hey! Detroit is always a contender for the top draft pick!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 28, 2008, 06:38:39 PM
SaintsFan - best wishes for a speedy recovery, and relief from those hallucinogenic images of apex, predatory Beavers!  ;D

Has_Been - referencing DC QB situation?  Is it finalized that Vetter blazed the trail for Prez "Hands-On" Wood to exit " the school we love on the top of the Hill"?
Have seen no roster listings, and am curious if the junior from Crestwood is the lone ranger or if some others have transferred in or been recruited.  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 28, 2008, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 28, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
gotta love meds that make you think that way.

1 Bengals practice down and Odom left complex in a boot after being carted off the field.  damn there goes 30M.

Has_Been...Johnson would not go to the Lions, was looking for contenders

No chit!!  I feel like I smoked some crack..or whatever the tweakers do...funny thing is that show Intervention is on tonight at 9pm on A&E.  If you haven't seen it, take a look at it...and I promise, you'll forget about anything that you're feeling bad about in your own life....and then you'll laugh if it gets really crazy. 

I'm just going to deal with the pain tomorrow and go back to work...I now remember why I don't like medicine. 

Thanks for the wishes, cave2bens. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 28, 2008, 07:14:20 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 28, 2008, 01:11:06 PM
Hey! Detroit is always a contender for the top draft pick!

At least they are a contender for something...  well something other than "America's Chitiest City"  They have that title on lockdown. ;D  Memphis is a distant 2nd... I'd want to shoot myself if I lived in either of those two places...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 28, 2008, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on July 28, 2008, 06:38:39 PM


Has_Been - referencing DC QB situation?  Is it finalized that Vetter blazed the trail for Prez "Hands-On" Wood to exit " the school we love on the top of the Hill"?
Have seen no roster listings, and am curious if the junior from Crestwood is the lone ranger or if some others have transferred in or been recruited.  ???


Doesn't F-ing matter who Defiance's QB is.  As time has told us... he's going to be a "game manager"....and he's going to throw to the other team like Neil O'Donnell in the Super Bowl.   

PLUS....it doesn't f-ing matter because this is the year of the Beaver!!! ;)  For me at least
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 28, 2008, 07:20:19 PM
Speaking of "It doesn't f-ing matter"....

Where are those azzholes from Franklin that appeared mid-season last year?

And where are their real fans....victorybell, and Grizz?


Just noticed its kind of quiet from those guys...  did Franklin install the Wing-T or something and have all these guys with muzzles on?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 28, 2008, 08:57:17 PM
I haven't heard anything yet about the QB situation.  I'm still going off the rumor that Vetter will not be back next year.  Regardless, DC will probably run 80% of the time this year b/c they have a decent backfield returning.  Hopefully they can throw in some playaction and be somewhat productive. 

SaintsFan- lay off the painkillers or I'm going to set up an intervention for you & I'll make sure your ex is there too! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 28, 2008, 09:25:46 PM
Saints,

No VBell sightings of late, but did see a few Grizzly shirts at the track Sunday.  Saw one of them gnawing on a Turkey leg wearing a Detroit Lions shirt.

Told the yellow shirt to search him for being suspicious as it is well known the Lions have no fans.  Then proceeded to raise my arms and assume the position.  Go Kitna!!!

Coach Leonard is as likely to run the Wing T as Mike Martz.  Though, wouldn't mind seeing some installation of a guards over thirty series to keep pace with Coach Erdelyi's tackles over eighty series. 

BTW, think the Hanover Panthers stomped with them NAIA boys just like Ocho Cinco's one time QB. 

See Oberlin drew an early season matchup with Washington and Jefferson from the PAC.  They've improved, but that rock troll there looks a lot like that ONU squad that knocked off Mount Union a few seasons back.  You'd have to be ACFC to see that many D3.com preseason All Americans.  Unenviable task, but definitely the type of game an up and coming program with resolve is willing to take... with  true commitment.  Reminiscent of Witt's recently taking up the gauntlet with Dayton.

Anyway, see the Colts picked up former Kentucky signal caller Justin Lorenzen?  That kid is bigger than even Bulger when he was at West Virginia.


signed,
Jeff Tedford
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 29, 2008, 12:06:09 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 28, 2008, 08:57:17 PM

SaintsFan- lay off the painkillers or I'm going to set up an intervention for you & I'll make sure your ex is there too! ;)

if you're going to involve that crazy btch, then I'm flushing them down the toilet tonight!!  Funny how the crazy ex (from the incident in December...dated 2.5 years) and my ex-wife BOTH live in Tennessee now.  I'm going to miss going to Tennessee  ;)


Macleod,

I saw Lorenzen about 3 years ago at Applebee's in Crestview Hills (across the street from Thomas More)...he's a VERY large man.  He was holding a Brewtus glass (empty of course) and it looked like a toothpick in his hands.  He's a good signing because for one roster spot...Indy gets a guy that can play QB should the unthinkable happen and/or someone to step in at guard to help keep the unthinkable from happening and also someone who can step in at the cook position during camp (well maybe the grill) should Butch the sous chef fall ill.  Bill Polian is a genius.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 29, 2008, 12:39:39 PM
I'm still around been trying to take in my sons baseball games this summer. Don't know much about Franklin this year since my source is no longer on campus. But I do know one thing as long as Coach Leonard is there you won't have to worry about them running the wing "T". I have heard that they have brought in over sixty freshman this year and have about eighty returning from last years squad.

Hope your recovering from operation is going Okay.

I'm sure after the season gets started the rest of the Grizzlies will awaken from their hibernation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 29, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Thanks KYGizz,

I'm actually hoping those guys that came out of the woodwork can't afford internet this year because they have spent too much on gas or something. 

Wouldn't that be nice?  There was no talking to them...and just as quick as they appeared...they were gone after the loss in the playoffs.

I've decided that I'm playing in our team's games tonight in the Cincinnati Metro.  I can't miss that...then I'm throwing away the medicine, has_been.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 30, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
There is an offense in California that's very interesting to say the least. It's called the A-11. If anyone is bored at work, this is something that will definately be interesting to look at. The team who put it in, bases everything off the punt formation (all players on punt can have an eligible number). They switch things up so the defense never knows who's eligible or not. It's crazy. Take a look, you won't be dissapointed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on July 30, 2008, 01:40:05 PM
I read an article on the A-11 the other day...it's wild.  I'm certainly not an x's and o's guy, but formation rules dictate that not everybody can be pass eligible on any given play, right? 

It's definitely an interesting philosophy though...you have to wonder if this is something that will work it's way up the ladder, get fine tuned, and become the new "thing" in progressive offensive schemes.  Or is it just going to be a tool used by schools that are largely playing at a disadvantage due to roster size and other limitations? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 30, 2008, 01:54:17 PM
The A-11 is certainly an interesting offense, but you better have all the right pieces if you want the offense to be productive.  I do like the fact the long snapper gets the same treatment as any long snapper does after the snap to get their head up or 15 yards.
The most important piece is the qb has to be able very mobile & has to make correct reads running the ball and passing.  Plus in the video a lot of the times the two tight ends next to the long snapper were getting beat by the outside rush.  If those DE's do a good job containing the qb is in for a day of pain.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 30, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on July 30, 2008, 01:40:05 PM
I read an article on the A-11 the other day...it's wild.  I'm certainly not an x's and o's guy, but formation rules dictate that not everybody can be pass eligible on any given play, right? 

It's definitely an interesting philosophy though...you have to wonder if this is something that will work it's way up the ladder, get fine tuned, and become the new "thing" in progressive offensive schemes.  Or is it just going to be a tool used by schools that are largely playing at a disadvantage due to roster size and other limitations? 

Wally, I read that same article.  A few D1 schools used a play or two of this offense in 2007.  Its going to be interesting to see how many people use this on a regular basis.. Its already being tried out as "gimmick plays"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 31, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
the article said they only used it 60% of the time and hope this year to use it 80%.  my guess is a little more gimmic than anything else but good for a team that is historically smaller than its competition.  in college the only types of places i could see wanting to use this full time are places like the Military where you can not have 350lbs road graters on the line.

you still have to have 5 on the line and only 6 are eligable on any given play but with a couple little moves in the formation the Gaurd is catching a pass up the seem.  i think the other thing that was interesting is they use 2QB's on everyplay so the defense is not even sure presnap where the ball is going which could slow down the pass rush since we know athletic guys are not tough that is why they run fast and cant block.

SaintsFan.  you dont need to throw them out just mail them 20 mi north and i will dispose of them for you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 31, 2008, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 31, 2008, 10:37:59 AM

SaintsFan.  you dont need to throw them out just mail them 20 mi north and i will dispose of them for you.

New career direction and resurrection of "Ben's Cafe" in scenic, south Dayton?  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2008, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 31, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
since we know athletic guys are not tough that is why they run fast and cant block.
But I thought you were athletic?  That's why we put in the tackle eligible play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 31, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
um, I would...but I have a shoulder operation coming up within the next two months.  My labrum, rotator cuff and biceps are torn for the third time since 1999. 

Physically, I'm a mess...but I can hit a golf ball still! 

My gf doesn't seem to mind taking care of me....though she probably figures if she doesn't then I'll just find one that will.   :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 31, 2008, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on July 31, 2008, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 31, 2008, 10:37:59 AM

SaintsFan.  you dont need to throw them out just mail them 20 mi north and i will dispose of them for you.

New career direction and resurrection of "Ben's Cafe" in scenic, south Dayton?  ;D

More like "Ben's Internet Pharmacy Cafe"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 31, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
um, I would...but I have a shoulder operation coming up within the next two months.  My labrum, rotator cuff and biceps are torn for the third time since 1999. 

Physically, I'm a mess...but I can hit a golf ball still! 

My gf doesn't seem to mind taking care of me....though she probably figures if she doesn't then I'll just find one that will.   :o

SaintFan- You have a body of a 12 year vet in the NFL.  Are you doing any physical therapy for any of this or just getting the surgery & going out & trying to find a new way to tear something up?  At least you have a woman that is taking care of you at home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 31, 2008, 02:36:49 PM
oh yeah....PT is a btch now-a-days. 

The shoulder thing is going to make me quit playing softball after this year....that and the girlfriend not wanting me to play anymore.

She's not "at home"....its going to be a LONG, LONG time before I take up residence with another female again. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 31, 2008, 04:29:48 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 31, 2008, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 31, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
since we know athletic guys are not tough that is why they run fast and cant block.
But I thought you were athletic?  That's why we put in the tackle eligible play.

true, but we never ran it in the game did we?  It was put in to Piss of Coach P when the offense was kicking the Defense butt all over the practice field.  Ochs knew if he ran that and it worked i would make a scene and talk more crap than is known to mankind just to rub salt in the wound.  which is exactly what happend.

once he saw damn that is actually a good play and we should put it in for a game do you remember the minor change where they switched me with the TE so the line was unbalanced and it was really a TE eligable.  ran that 1x in practice and even the water girl called it out since that was the only play i was ever on the right in 4 years and it never was called again.

that still pisses me off no confidence in my skills.  not like i had your weak hands, heck i was faster than you too! :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2008, 06:41:44 PM
It was a good play that is for sure & I would loved to see you go out for a pass, but I don't think the qb would have enough time to let the play develop.  Waiting for you to get out into a pass route would have taken 5+ seconds. 
And for you to think you have better hands & were ever faster than me, well it is sad to see dementia is setting in you at such a young age.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 31, 2008, 07:26:59 PM

Who will be the starter at QB for Hanover this season?

Is Alex Kiel still there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on August 01, 2008, 10:52:40 PM
Just so Saints fan can quit worrying, the rest of the FC folks will be on here soon enough. No point dogging MSJ, TM, or Defiance too early in the summer
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 03, 2008, 02:42:27 PM
glad to see nobody has taken your smug-arse out, FC84.

Enjoy the rest of your summer
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 03, 2008, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on August 01, 2008, 10:52:40 PM
No point dogging MSJ, TM, or Defiance too early in the summer
I would accept that from you FCALUM_84 if you weren't a bandwagon fan.  All I remember is you didn't start posting till Franklin had a strong team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on August 04, 2008, 09:21:16 PM
Word has it FC will be installing field turf prior to next season.  Hanover gets their turf this season.  HCAC is coming up in the world facility wise.  When will Paulding County's finest team get theirs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 04, 2008, 09:54:24 PM
QuoteWho will be the starter at QB for Hanover this season?

Is Alex Kiel still there?

Any Hanover fans out there????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 04, 2008, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 04, 2008, 09:54:24 PM
QuoteWho will be the starter at QB for Hanover this season?

Is Alex Kiel still there?

Any Hanover fans out there????

Based upon last years stats from Hanover's website, http://www.hanover.edu/docs//athletics/fbteamcume.htm,  I would assume Elbert & Thiems would split time.

Does anyone know when the HCAC's media day is?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 04, 2008, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on August 04, 2008, 09:21:16 PM
When will Paulding County's finest team get theirs?

Are you referring to Wayne Trace or Paulding High School facilities?  Geography must be an elective for Johnson County Consolidated or is this just an underpowered BB dribbled across the bow? ;)

Upgrades to the science facilities and dorms took precedence (it is a college, after all), and in NW Ohio's agrarian landscape, forced importation of macrophytes for grazing cheerleaders is considered bad form.  ;D ;D

And before any howls over insensitivity, I am married to one ... this week, anyway.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 05, 2008, 07:41:38 AM
QuoteBased upon last years stats from Hanover's website, http://www.hanover.edu/docs//athletics/fbteamcume.htm,  I would assume Elbert & Thiems would split time.

Does anyone know when the HCAC's media day is?

Thank you...anybody know if Alex Kiel is still there? I believe he got some time at QB as a freshman...but haven't heard anything since...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
Preseason D3.com Poll

1 Mount Union (19) 14-1 618 2 N/A  Open Date
2 UW-Whitewater (5) 14-1 567 1 N/A  Open Date
3 Wesley (1) 11-2 557 5 N/A  Open Date
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 12-2 523 3 N/A  Open Date
5 Bethel 12-2 459 4 N/A  Open Date
6 St. John's 10-2 431 9 N/A  Open Date
7 Capital 8-3 413 13 N/A  Open Date
8 Muhlenberg 11-1 394 8 N/A  Open Date
9 Central 12-1 368 6 N/A  Open Date
10 St. John Fisher 11-2 363 7 N/A  Open Date
11 Wabash 11-2 321 10 N/A  Open Date [/b]
12 Salisbury 9-2 314 14 N/A  Open Date
13 Washington and Jefferson 10-1 293 17 N/A  Open Date
14 UW-Eau Claire 9-3 284 12 N/A  Open Date
15 North Central 9-3 265 11 N/A  Open Date
16 Ohio Northern 7-3 163 -- N/A  Open Date
17 Wheaton (Ill.) 8-2 160 -- N/A  Open Date
18 Ithaca 8-3 153 21 N/A  Open Date
19 Case Western Reserve 11-1 135 22 N/A  Open Date
20 Trinity (Texas) 9-2 131 16 N/A  Open Date
21 Franklin 9-2 130 18 N/A  Open Date
22 Cortland State 8-3 122 -- N/A  Open Date
23 Wartburg 8-2 119 20 N/A  Open Date
24 Redlands 8-2 108 25 N/A  Open Date
25 Mississippi College 8-2 72 -- N/A  Open Date
Others receiving votes: Curry 70, New Jersey 66, North Carolina Wesleyan 62, Millsaps 61, Linfield 58, Whitworth 48, Christopher Newport 43, UW-La Crosse 27, Montclair State 24, St. Olaf 23, Hardin-Simmons 20, RPI 18, Wittenberg 17, Rowan 17, Illinois Wesleyan 15, Albright 15, Hartwick 12, DePauw 11, St. Norbert 10, Hobart 9, Delaware Valley 7, Waynesburg 6, Dickinson 4, Concordia-Moorhead 4, Carthage 4, Randolph-Macon 3, Augsburg 3, Mt. St. Joseph 2, Hampden-Sydney 2, Carnegie Mellon 1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 05, 2008, 01:14:25 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 12:39:02 PM
isnt Paulding County Ohi where Defiance is?  I got a tickey driving over the FCDefiaNCE Game out 3 years ago and it was in Paulding County   64 in a 55 on US 24 with no traffic at 11am. State Police
Defiance is in Defiance County just north of Paulding County.  I'm really starting to question what they teach you at Franklin.  You do understand that there multiple counties in each state & b/c you get a ticket near a city doesn't actually mean that city belongs in that particular county.  Example, I was driving to Los Angeles from Michigan & got pulled over in Nebraska does not mean Los Angeles is in Nebraska.
In regards to your ticket, well 24 is a route that the Ohio Highway Patrol does not take lightly.  There are a lot of deaths on that road b/c people try to pass the semi's that frequent that route & get hit head on by cars coming from the opposite direction.  Plus there are several speed traps too.
Nice to see Franklin is in the top 25 as well as MSJ receiving a few votes also.  Hopefully all the HCAC schools will fare well against non-conference foes & help make the HCAC look even more respectful. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 05, 2008, 01:58:02 PM
Hey dc_has_bee did I miss something? How can you quote a post that isn't there?

I was fortunate while traveling on US 24 for the football and baseball games the last four years without getting a ticket. You had to be on the lookout for the local police around the town of Antwerp.

Congrats to Franklin on their top 25 ranking, am looking forward to them moving up in the polls this year. Talked to one of their returning defensive starters Saturday. He is looking forward to the season getting started.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 05, 2008, 03:22:07 PM
I'm just as amazed as you are KYGrizzly?  It was there earlier & now it is gone.  FCalum_84 is pure stealth!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 05:09:24 PM
I noticed that I didn't review prior and had various spelling errors etc. I dont know my ohio counties very well up north. I just remember paulding county as that is where I had to mail the ticket and the officer was a jacka$$.

I do know the cincy area well as i work there frequently.  plus FC has a chance to go down there and play MSJ on the road again this year.

FC has a tough two games to get started  Baldwin Wallace at home(no slouch and from same conference as Mt Union) and Butler on the road.  Butler is a D2 school (I think) regardless they pounded Hanover last year at Hanover (but so did FC)  should be a close one.

What is the word on MSJ? Compared to last season?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 05, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
Butler is a DI FCS (DI AA) school b/c of their strong basketball program.  They usually start their season off playing DIII or NAIA schools such as Hanover, Albion, or Tiffin.  I couldn't find the last time they had a winning season & that was from 2002 till present.  Anyway, I don't think Franklin will have to much trouble with them.  In regards to BW & Tri-State they will probably field pretty good teams, especially Tri-State who returns a lot of players from last year who went 6-4.


Any DC folk out there hear any news on DC's qb situation?  I would assume Joey Stephens would be the front runner considering he was the only other qb to take any snaps last year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 05, 2008, 07:22:22 PM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 05:09:24 PM
I dont know my ohio counties very well up north. I just remember paulding county as that is where I had to mail the ticket and the officer was a jacka$$.

I do know the cincy area well as i work there frequently.  plus FC has a chance to go down there and play MSJ on the road again this year.

FC has a tough two games to get started  Baldwin Wallace at home(no slouch and from same conference as Mt Union) and Butler on the road.  Butler is a D2 school (I think) regardless they pounded Hanover last year at Hanover (but so did FC)  should be a close one.


Not knowing counties in northwestern Ohio calls for no self-flagellation - those of us who grew up in that giant corn maze, north of Dayton and west of I-75, maintained bearings by German Catholic edifices or local grain elevators.  What we would have given for a GPS come August.  ;D

Franklin is somewhat fortunate with their preconference schedule.  According to the OAC media day, BW is slated to finish about sixth in their conference.  Trine, on the other hand, could be tough - they really found their form toward the end of last season, and with new digs, the Thunder could be a handful.  

Butler is an enigma - Horizon in basketball and Pioneer in football.  They lost about half of their starters from 2007's 4 and 7 season and won all four, out of conference games before going 0-7 in league. Pioneer League is diverse, geographically (Davidson, Dayton, Univ of San Diego, Drake, Missouri S+T (Rolla), Valparaiso, and Campbell).  Historically speaking, over 118 seasons, BU's record is 522-411-35 and from a comparative standpoint, only Notre Dame and Purdue have better all-time, in-state win percentage records than the Bulldogs versus a common opponent, Wabash (minimum of ten games).

Note that Danny Sears (FC '07) is Butler's WR coach - wonder if he'll move to the DB slot as a surprise for Coach L during week of the 13th?  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 07:31:00 PM
Tri State hasnt been a tough out to date for FC but it sounds like they may the toughest Thunder team FC has faced in the last few years since we started playing them.

Butler is a worry because they are hard to guage.  I still think it wnt be easy to get thru the non conference schedule unscathed.  With MSJ on the road again, matching last years record will be tough. 

That said, this FC team at least on paper at this time of year should be Leonard's best to date.  More depth and lots of key folks back.  RB is the biggest question along with replacements in the defensive backfield
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 05, 2008, 07:38:11 PM
Trine (the name change from Tri State became official on August 1, I believe) is an unknown.  They reportedly should be the best Thunder squad ever, but are still picked as second or third in the weak MIAA.

Bald Wally might be better than their pick - two media voters picked them to win the OAC (though their drug tests have not yet been posted). ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 07:43:08 PM
if BW is good enough to finish second in that conference they will be hard to beat.  The HCAC is on the upswing but top to bottom not as good s the OAC.  We will see in about a month.  Fortunately the game is at our place

did not know abow the trine name change.  not sure i like it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 05, 2008, 09:04:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 05, 2008, 07:38:11 PM
Bald Wally might be better than their pick - two media voters picked them to win the OAC (though their drug tests have not yet been posted). ;D

Let me tell you...we have the results...  those two have tested positive for Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds....  hallucinations.  Should pass soon though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 05, 2008, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 05, 2008, 03:22:07 PM
I'm just as amazed as you are KYGrizzly?  It was there earlier & now it is gone.  FCalum_84 is pure stealth!

Sounds like he should've used this stealthy ability on 24 in OH. 

Sorry, couldn't resist..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 06, 2008, 01:21:32 AM
Might want to check out the OAC board - seems the Indianoplace Star says Franklin is picked over Mt Union (OH) for the HCAC conference title   :o

And you were concerned with Bald Wallies, FC?  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HScoach on August 06, 2008, 07:03:28 AM
Quote from: FCALUM_84 on August 05, 2008, 07:43:08 PM
if BW is good enough to finish second in that conference they will be hard to beat.  The HCAC is on the upswing but top to bottom not as good s the OAC.  We will see in about a month.  Fortunately the game is at our place

did not know abow the trine name change.  not sure i like it.

BW has zero chance to finish 2nd in the OAC.  They'll be lucky to finish .500.  And when I set the spreads for the OAC Pick-Em's contest, Franklin will be the favorite.

Want to see what is expected of BW?  Check out the team-by-team OAC Preview at:

http://www.mtunionfootball.com/2008season/08oacpreview.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 06, 2008, 09:38:05 AM
Thats a pretty good  preview of the OAC fellas.  I can't think of another one that lists both strengths and weaknesses of an entire conference. 

BW hasn't been a legit contender for the OAC Crown since Dan Larlham graduated..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 06, 2008, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 05, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
Any DC folk out there hear any news on DC's qb situation?  I would assume Joey Stephens would be the front runner considering he was the only other qb to take any snaps last year. 

does not say anything about the QB but it does confirm Vetter not there when you look at Key returning offensive players
http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/football_quickfacts_08.pdf
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 06, 2008, 12:43:21 PM
Wow, Coach T is the QB's coach.  A former all-american DE & in my opinion a great Dline coach & D coordinator is all over the offensive side.  At least DC didn't have too many changes in the coaching staff. 
Only returning 13 starters on both sides I hope there are several guys ready to step up & fill those gaps.  The WR spot & QB spot is going to be huge on the offensive side.  Top 3 receivers & QB gone from last year.  Defensive should fair well, but still has some gaps to fill on the DLine.  It will be interesting for DC that is for sure.  Hopefully they have a strong recruiting class coming in & the players coming back to their summers seriously & worked their behinds off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 06, 2008, 04:35:31 PM
Sayer...I'm trying to get that picture here on my profile. 

if we have any computer geniuses on here, shoot me a private message. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 06, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
Referring to the A-11, the Hanover players will probably remember Crazy and Circus. Those were 2 formations that were the same as what was drawn up in the monthly coaches magazine where I read the article. The coach at UW-Platteville (Mike Emendorfer) who was Hanover's OC back in the day showed us some of that stuff during the Glazier clinic.

To answer someone's question, formation does dictate who's eligible and who is not. The thing with this, is everyone has an eligible number and they get set a split second before the ball is snapped which makes it hard on the defense to see who's eligible. It also makes life a B*tch for the officials which leads me to my next point...

The coaches at Purcell and I agree that the National Rules committee will probably change the punt formation rule in the near future.



Seems like I missed a lot. I'm in the process of fixing my computer now and hopefully will be more active in conversation in the near future. As far as MSJ goes, they lose a lot, but at the same time, they had a lot of injuries to key players last year who happend to be seniors. Steve Wergers, Mike Lovell, Mike Jones, were all seniors who missed time due to injuries, which in turn, abled younger players to get some PT. They return their QB and I think 4 Linemen plus many of the RB's who carried the ball while Lovell was hurt. Offensively I think they will be solid. I don't know about the defense.

And plan on my Purcell Marian Cavaliers beating up on SaintsFan's Stephen T. Badin Rams sometime in the near future. Let us sing the praises of the bold Cavaliers....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 06, 2008, 05:04:47 PM
The HCAC released their preseason football poll, http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2009/8_5_fball_preseason.htm.  As everyone probably assumed Franklin was picked for a repeat performance to win the conf & MSJ followed very close behind w/ 58 pts (2 first place votes) to Franklin's 61 (61 first place votes).  The rest of the conference went RHIT 46pts, DC 35, Anderson 31, Manchester 27, Hanover 18, & Bluffton 12. 
Looks like October 25 will be a big day in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 07, 2008, 07:51:50 AM
How things have changed. Hanover listed only to finish above Bluffton. Their probably lucky that Transy didn't start a football program this year. :)

I still remember when my son visited Hanover the comment Coach Perry made about the Victory Bell Game how it was still a rivalry for Franklin but Hanover didn't look at it as much of a rivalry anymore.

Looking forward to catching some of Franklin's games again this year, noticed they only have four home games this year. Like dc_has-been it looks to be a big day in southwestern , OH on 10/25/08.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 07, 2008, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 06, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
And plan on my Purcell Marian Cavaliers beating up on SaintsFan's Stephen T. Badin Rams sometime in the near future. Let us sing the praises of the bold Cavaliers....

Has there been a forecast for Hell to freeze over this fall? 

Just checking...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2008, 03:43:17 PM
http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/football_HCACpoll_08.html Here is a link to DC's page that gives a bit of a preview to the 2008 season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 07, 2008, 03:58:58 PM
I can see it now...(haven't read it).

QB position:  We have 1 junior and 2 freshman vying for playing time.  We just need this position to be a game manager and give a good effort to try throwing to our color jerseys only. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 07, 2008, 08:42:35 PM
hasbeen you get the message from P he is coaching again at his high school.  thier coach resigned so being the AD he is picking up the duty.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 08, 2008, 12:37:54 PM
If its the same Coach P that I'm thinking of, I'm wondering which rival he's going to duck at the High School level !!   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2008, 02:48:59 PM
Kevin...you're a d!ck.

We start the HS season off tomorrow against Wyoming with a scrimmage.

Kevin, you'll appreciate this. Colerain called us asking if we would be willing to play them week 3 next year. Loveland, who is also DI called too. I got a laugh out of it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 09, 2008, 06:04:14 PM
Sayer, I've been called worse...thats for sure!

Thats real funny about Colerain...though, I've heard they are going to be down this year and next..  but the following year its business as usual there. 

Great, great, great...UFC Card tonight.  GSP fights as does Huerta...in Huerta's hometown of Minneapolis. 

I should be feeling warm and fuzzy by 9pm. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 10, 2008, 09:36:19 AM
Got an iPhone last week, they are great.  i can login and post to the D3 messageboards from it.  this way i can can join in with Sayer in calling SaintsFan a D!ck from anywhere in the country i may be.

Has_Been are all the USC faithful already making excuses for the OSU game since thier QB wont be able to practice till then?  how do you dislocate your kneecap during warm-ups?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2008, 11:25:18 AM
I agree about the iphone (calling SaintsFan a D#ck) except the battery is killing me.  I was using the gps the other day & it pretty muched used up all the battery in two hours. 

USC fans are bandwagon fans who really don't understand the game, so they really don't know the severity to the injury.  I remember going to a USC game before they were an above average team & their stadium was half full.  This is when they were 9-3 keep in mind.  Then they #1 country the stadium was full.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 10, 2008, 12:20:12 PM
PAC-10 fans don't care about football like the Big Ten and SEC fans - I believe that Michigan has had over 100,000 fans in attendance for every home game since 1969.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2008, 05:30:42 PM
Pretty much the whole state of Michigan is committed to their sporting events.  U of M is always sold out, MSU too.  Even Detroit Lions games are sold out most of the time. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 11, 2008, 04:43:51 PM
More about the A-11 offense.  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/080811&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 11, 2008, 05:21:55 PM
The scrimmage went very well. We scored 2 TD's and Wyoming scored 2 TD's and a FG. Overall we rushed 21 times for 156 yards. Keep in mind my center is 170 pounds, my right guard is 5'6" and my left guard is a hockey player who has never played football...and Wyoming is a very solid football program. I was more than pleased.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 12, 2008, 08:46:32 AM
maybe you guys should scrimmage the Bengals.  The tackling or lack thereof is going to kill them again this year.   How do you knock a WR's helmet off but don't get him to the ground..??

Go Irish
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 13, 2008, 04:07:02 PM
Here is some exciting news (for dc folk), DC is going to have a new athletic website that will launch on or before September 1.  The site will be, www.defianceathletics.com. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 13, 2008, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 13, 2008, 04:07:02 PM
Here is some exciting news (for dc folk), DC is going to have a new athletic website that will launch on or before September 1.  The site will be, www.defianceathletics.com. 

I'm so distressed, Has_Been, being denied the "DTO" logo and the picture of our classmates' offspring striking a McMaster pose for six months' running.  ;D ;D

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 15, 2008, 07:29:44 AM
annnndddd.....typical for anything Defiance-related...it doesn't work.


*Yes, I know Brad said September 1st...but I couldn't resist the zing!

Happy Football Season everyone (most of you, at least)

topics:

jock itch outbreak at USC (I thought dirty Leinart graduated?)

Ben Mauk suing the NC Double Azzholes for an injuction

Thomas More's stellar recruiting class that has even some MSJ grads taking notice (Hilvert owned Cincy this off-season)

My ex-wife rumored to have gotten married 5 years and a day after my initial "plank walk" (haha....SUCKER!!)

That should be enough...MAKE it a great Friday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 15, 2008, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: frank uible on August 10, 2008, 12:20:12 PM
PAC-10 fans don't care about football like the Big Ten and SEC fans - I believe that Michigan has had over 100,000 fans in attendance for every home game since 1969.

True, but I don't think (outside of a game vs. tOSU), that the Big House ever gets as loud as Autzen Stadium does.  Duck fans go nuts on gameday. 

USC fans?  Can you blame them for not packing the stadium when the team isn't great?  They're in L.A.  They have tons of options for entertainment.  In other places (Ann Arbor, Columbus, Gainesville, Knoxville, etc.), the college football team is the only draw.  I'm not a USC apologist by any means, but come on.  There's just way more legitimate competition for the entertainment dollar in Los Angeles than there is in other college towns.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 16, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
fellas...a sad day at Huntingdon College today. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 16, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
You hear about more and more kids dying from practice the last few years than you did back in the late 90's and before and I wonder if it's because kids now are so out of shape that when they finally start doing something in the heat, their bodies cant take it. Even the ones who are calimed to be in "great shape" having health problems and/or dying because between October and August, they sit around playing Madden or textmessaging their friends. Though they may make it a couple weeks without problems, at some point, their bodies hit a wall because they're not out riding their bikes, running around in the creeks, playing backyard football/baseball/basketball, etc. during the summer.

I remember being a punk freshman during the summer running around at night ringing people's doorbell's and running. We didn't have a car, we walked everywhere and ring and ran just to make nights interesting...I discovered beer my sophomore year :)

It's sad, but in my opinion is clear evidence that this country needs to focus more on Physical Education, promotion of sports, healthy living, etc. You can search the internet and find how much $$$ obese people cost the economy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 16, 2008, 10:35:16 PM
Annually the American Football Coaches Association tabulates and reports fatalities directly and indirectly related to football for sandlot, pro and semipro, high school and college during the years 1931-2007. See the 2008 AFCA annual convention proceedings. A quick perusal of these tabulations indicates the following difference in sandlot and high school direct and indirect football deaths between the 1990s and the 2000s: the 1990s (106 deaths for ten years) and the 2000s (101 deaths for eight years).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 17, 2008, 09:26:27 AM
1931-2007 is the lifespan of the great Bill Walsh. Odd coincidence.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 17, 2008, 09:41:26 AM
Another big reason is the increased consumption of pop and sugary drinks loaded with caffiene and other crap like Monster, red bull, etc. Even gatorade and vitamin water is loaded with sugar. I was watching a program that stated back in the 50's and 60's, drinking pop and eating ice cream was a luxary. Kids drank water, ice tea, or lemonade. Sometimes it doesn't matter if a kid is running and working out and may appear to be in good shape. If he's going home and crushing Mt. Dew's after practice he's gonna be dehydrated and his body isn't going to be able to take a multiple 2-3 hour practices in 92 degree heat. We all know proper hydration is required for body heat regulation. These kids put the pads on, which makes everything hotter, run, get dehydrated faster, and get sick or die from heat stroke. It all is a direct reflection of the lifestyle kids and young adults live.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 17, 2008, 06:28:15 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 17, 2008, 09:41:26 AM
Another big reason is the increased consumption of pop and sugary drinks loaded with caffiene and other crap like Monster, red bull, etc. Even gatorade and vitamin water is loaded with sugar. I was watching a program that stated back in the 50's and 60's, drinking pop and eating ice cream was a luxary. Kids drank water, ice tea, or lemonade. Sometimes it doesn't matter if a kid is running and working out and may appear to be in good shape. If he's going home and crushing Mt. Dew's after practice he's gonna be dehydrated and his body isn't going to be able to take a multiple 2-3 hour practices in 92 degree heat. We all know proper hydration is required for body heat regulation. These kids put the pads on, which makes everything hotter, run, get dehydrated faster, and get sick or die from heat stroke. It all is a direct reflection of the lifestyle kids and young adults live.

Don't think you're far off-base on this one, Adam.  I can vouch for the luxury thing, as a trip to the A&W Root Beer Stand was a rare occurence and drinking out of the hose was commonplace.  Remaining sedate was not a viable option unless it was homework, music practice, or reading during inclimate weather. Heck, we still make our own lemonade... ::)

Other considerations (and not trying to play "resident curmudgeon"):
1.  air conditioning was non-existent in many homes, schools and offices
2.  an over-emphasis of germ-free everything in today's society, and cause/effect;
    overuse of antibiotics / vaccinations and relationship to natural immunity, a
    rash of infant otology complications, asthma, and other maladies?  Global
    Warming can't be the catch-all for everything - it was hot back in the old days
3.  effects of preservatives, sugar, and salts in pre-prepared foods and drinks
4   instantaneous news availability
5.  changes in technology - 50% of deaths used to be attributed to "natural cause;"
    now, we have designations for 99% of them

Two friends, senior year, died of athletic-related complications in 1969 and 1970, respectively.  One was running steps, and died, resultant of an undetected heart problem and one of my best friends from a blister from his golf shoe at districts in Bowling Green - acute leukemia.  One never knows when the time is up...



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 18, 2008, 09:33:49 AM
Has_been might as well get your trash talking in today, god knows the Lions wont have many wins that big during the regular season :) 

only bright spot i have seen in the Bengals 1st 2 preseason games has been Chris Perry.  he is looking good and could make Rudi cutable.  he had a run up the middle in the early 2nd quarter and he trucked the safety.  good excuse to drink beer on a sunday night and not have to watch stupid shows like Big Brother that my wife is addicted to.  thank god for football season
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 18, 2008, 09:45:51 AM
70,

I was there last night and it was pathetic.  The Bengals have Perry on offense and Rivers on D...thats all that I saw. 

The 2nd team offense moved the ball on our first team defense..

Whats even worse is the crowd's reaction to the TD's the Bengals scored... against the 2nd and 3rd team.  Its going to be a LONG season (and its never more apparent than when we get beat by the freaking Lions)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 18, 2008, 05:35:08 PM
they have looked off in both games.  Feels like timing which makes sense since most starters outside of palmer have not been practicing.  Chad TJ rudi have all missed significant time.  I see marvin going back on his word and they sign henry again ( which I would be ok with)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 18, 2008, 06:53:06 PM
The bengals O-line looked very bad. Every player they put at the RG spot  couldn't block. The whole first quarter the Lions attacked the hell out of Bobby William's fat, overweight, non-moving a$$ and when they moved Stacey Andrews in for him, they abused him.  It will be a long season. Our offense can't score the 30 points per game they are going to need to win. I'm thinking along the lines of 4-12.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 18, 2008, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 15, 2008, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: frank uible on August 10, 2008, 12:20:12 PM
PAC-10 fans don't care about football like the Big Ten and SEC fans - I believe that Michigan has had over 100,000 fans in attendance for every home game since 1969.

True, but I don't think (outside of a game vs. tOSU), that the Big House ever gets as loud as Autzen Stadium does.  Duck fans go nuts on gameday. 
   

Big difference on how each of those stadiums are built.  I have been to both Autzen is just like Wisconsin's stadium.  It is built to keep the sound in & make it loud as Michigan's noise carries up b/c it has nothing bounce off of.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 19, 2008, 11:24:11 AM
70dcalum- I'm not going to trash talk until I have something to trash talk about.  It is nice to see how the 1st string is playing over these two preseason games, but I'm going to just sit back and just enjoy the fact that football is back. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 19, 2008, 11:38:44 AM
thats how I would be too....especially since Bluffton could've beaten the Lions last year.  Don't worry, sir....Bluffton's 2007 team is better than the 2008 Bungles also.. with or without Chris Henry.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fat_old_LB on August 19, 2008, 04:32:07 PM
To be honest, as a B-W graduate...I am shocked that people on this board are pretty much looking past them this year against Franklin.  The last time they were picked 6th in the conference, 2 years ago, they went 7-3, lost to capital (who was playoff bound) in a great end of season game, was the closest margin of defeat by mount by losing 14-0 as opposed to playoff teams losing by 60-0, and shocked everyone by knocking off ranked augustana at their place.  Things to note, B-W plays in the OAC and to be a 500 squad in that league means more than most others.  Also, since Snell has been coaching he is undefeated on openers.  4 against Allegheny, 2 against Augustana.  Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Franklin as my brother used to be the OC and I am happy to see them doing well, but just because you have had 2 good years in a row, dont count out a team that has a strong tradition of winning.  Not to mention that the preview that was posted on here was not from a media source it was from a strong mount union backer (who knows his stuff no doubt, but still a biased opinion).  Now don't take this as B-W is going to win or anything like that,  that preview may be dead on and they could do horrible or "be lucky to be 500" as some have said.  I am just saying that after nearly 40 years in a row of above .500 records and a strong out of conference winning percentage during that time, you shouldnt just assume they arent going to be a worthy opponent.  I think its just smart when it comes to playing a team that you have never faced before to never assume.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 20, 2008, 08:57:10 AM
Who is looking past BW? 

I can assure you that not all of us are.  Most of us know what the difference is playing in the OAC.    You do have some brash and newbie fans of Franklin making appearances here... who don't know the OAC. 

The preview that I put on here from HSCoach is probably dead-on.  I don't think you can draw conclusions of the BW season based on what they did the last time they were picked 6th... I just don't.   I'm going to say this one-time, playing BW this year is not the same or anywhere close to playing Capital, Ohio Northern or Mount Union.  Fact.

Good luck on your quest for 40 straight non-losing seasons..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 20, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: fat_old_LB on August 19, 2008, 04:32:07 PM
To be honest, as a B-W graduate...I am shocked that people on this board are pretty much looking past them this year against Franklin. 

Looking back to the discussion about BW I didn't see anyone looking past them in the first place.  There was discussion about them being a decent team, but not strong enough to dominate in the OAC which is one of the top conferences in DIII. 
In regards to what you did last time you were predicted to be 6th, I agree w/ SaintsFan (which is not often ;)) that it is irrelevant to this season. 

Did anyone watch Bolt win the 100 & 200.  At 6'5" I wonder if he can catch a football on the run or if a qb could get the ball to him on the run?  Doubt he would even consider it, but if he was capable of catching a ball & taking a hit he could be a stud at WR.                     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fat_old_LB on August 20, 2008, 01:02:08 PM
I'll agree that what they did a few years back is irrelevant, just wanted to bring up the point that B-W always fields good squads and it would be unfortunate for a quality team like Franklin to overlook them just because they are preseason 6th.  I wish the game was at B-W so I could go see it, but oh well...hopefully some Franklin people will put updates on here for the progress of the game.  Obviously I am rooting for B-W on that Saturday, but here is hoping Franklin goes 9-1 after that and heads to the playoffs.  I hear there QB is a stud.  is this his senior year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 20, 2008, 03:58:54 PM
I am sure that the Franklin coaches and players are not going to overlook BW in their first game.

They have the train going in the right direction and do not want to have it derailed in the first game of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 20, 2008, 07:23:51 PM
Damn...the pot's already gettin stirred and week one isn't even here yet  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 20, 2008, 11:57:36 PM
It is Chad Rupp's senior year, and he is a very good QB - not a stretch to say one of the best in D3. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 21, 2008, 01:24:21 AM
Did anyone watch Bolt win the 100 & 200.  At 6'5" I wonder if he can catch a football on the run or if a qb could get the ball to him on the run?  Doubt he would even consider it, but if he was capable of catching a ball & taking a hit he could be a stud at WR.        

has_been,

Native Jamaicans, I don't think are very good candidates for football.  They don't play it much down there.   Theirs is a country where "football" is actually that other, untalented and Communist sport where they can't use their hands.

That being said, In 1998 when we went up and played UW-Osh Kosh, they had a stud defensive end...who happened to be Jamaican.  It wouldn't have been that memorable to me had I not attempted 50 passes that game and I bet I was hit on 15 of those attempts by "the Jamaican".. he was very quick and kept saying "yeah, mon" after each time he got to me.  On a sidenote, I probably got hit 35 times that day...as they were bringin one extra defender on each play... I didn't want to change our protection and keep an extra RB or TE in...as I knew that we'd have someone running free if I could trust me pre-snap read and find the open guy before my right foot hit the ground on my 5th step.  It was fun for me that day, despite the hits because we ran the 2 minute offense for the last 10 minutes of the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th Quarter (before I was finally knocked out of the game with 3 minutes to play.

             
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fat_old_LB on August 21, 2008, 10:41:49 AM
what about david oliver, the 110m hurdles guy who is built like a brick you know what.  starting split end somewhere in the NFL for sure...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 21, 2008, 11:36:00 AM
Only a handful of trackmen who have competed in the Olympics have ever had significant NFL careers, and except for Jim Thorpe (a true athletic freak) none can be found in the Pro Football HOF.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Blutarsky on August 21, 2008, 11:47:42 AM
A number of years ago, there was a hurdler who tried out for the NFL (49'ers?) by the name of Renaldo Nehemiah.  At camp, he was asked by an assistant coach what his 40-time was.  He responded by saying a 4.4.  The coach said that they had a lot of guys who could run a 4.4.....to which Nehemiah asked, "over hurdles?"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 21, 2008, 12:10:25 PM
I believe Bob Hayes won a gold medal in the 1964 Olympics and went on to have a successful career with the Dallas Cowboys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 21, 2008, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on August 21, 2008, 12:10:25 PM
I believe Bob Hayes won a gold medal in the 1964 Olympics and went on to have a successful career with the Dallas Cowboys.

He was a pioneer....the first Superstar Athlete to be convicted of drug trafficking (booger sugar)

http://mikeresponts.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/top-10-dallas-cowboy-arrests-of-all-time/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 21, 2008, 05:42:30 PM
It is amazing what these guys get away with.  You can't expect them to act like a normal person when they are above the law in most cases & have millions of dollars.  Most of them don't have a formal education either b/c once they showed their athleticism they were no longer expected to perform in the classroom, just on the field.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 23, 2008, 12:06:09 PM
older MSJ guys,

Are you planning to come to any games this season at Thomas More?  I went to see the intrasquad this morning and I liked the competitive-ness, athleticism and speed that I saw from the young guys.  Lots of competition at the skill positions and deep lines.  I think this is going to be a good year for Hilvert and the boys...

Do any of you want to come to the John Carroll University game?  Its the opener, but its being played at Dixie HS as the stands are being finished. 

One thing is for sure...MSJ'ers aren't going to be able to btch this year about a muddy field.  Is it November yet?  We need to get the Bridge Bowl back (or whatever they call the new crappy trophy now)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 23, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
That trophy is a lot better than the ceramic garbage can we had before. I'm taking Lindsey's dad to the MSJ-Wilmington game on the 6th.

If you would tell me my O-line would not get a penalty and rush 43 times for 235 yards and we would lose while scoring a measly 7 points against a team who hasn't won a game in 36 tries...I would bet the $2,000 in my savings account that we would win...and I would be out $2,000. We had 13 penalties (none by my linemen), 3 turnovers, and were 4/11 passing for 30 yards. We're the only spread team I know who runs the ball 80% of the time and doesn't throw a pass over 15 yards downfield. But who am I...

Not only did we run for 235 yards, we ran it against 8, 9, and 10-man fronts and only scored 7 points...it's mind boggling. It's going to be a long season if we can't throw the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 23, 2008, 10:50:38 PM
related to Adam's story of futility...just got back from the Bengals game (I'm on my way to the bars and had to take off all my gear--embarrassing)..

I have one thing to say about the game:  If anyone wants to buy any tickets this year, give me a call.  They are ALL for sale.


Adam,

the only reason you think the new trophy is any good is bc the old one reminds MSJ of how bad they used to be.  The Bridge Bowl is classicly ugly...thats why it was so great.. because of its ugliness.  Just because someone finally learned to paint or mold or whatever, doesn't mean they should donate their work to the Bridge Bowl winner.  Tradition is tradition...leave it up to a MSJ student to mess with tradition. ::)


and yes I'm quite drunk...and probably being a little more dckheaded than usual because of it... can't wait to see what happens in the bars.  Stay tuned
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 24, 2008, 09:03:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 23, 2008, 10:50:38 PM
and yes I'm quite drunk...and probably being a little more dckheaded than usual because of it... can't wait to see what happens in the bars.  Stay tuned

Skinny Drunk Old QB with a bad Shoulder does not sound like a promising combo, anyone want to head to University Hospital to give SaintsFan a wakeup call today.  chances are you can see Carson Palmer there recovering from the beating his fat line let him have last night.  that was embarassing to watch.  my boy kept asking "why does the Bengals have a 0 as their score" and i could only respond with "becuase they suck" while my wife (who is from Cleveland) sits there laughing her butt off. 

I dont know if their Jurassic Line is the answer but Guchek or what ever his name is sucks at center no push
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2008, 09:09:04 AM
haha....70.

I'll tell you about a fight that I ENDED last year at MLT's offline.  I don't want it to be public knowledge in case that kid ever tries to get at me financially.

You're right...Carson is in for a LONG year. 

I drank long enough to watch the Redeem Team win the Gold Medal against Spain.   Did I ever tell you guys that I hate Spain??  Yeah, their players are complete morons..

Tell your wife you'll have the last laugh when Cleveland misses the playoffs this year.  The AFC North plays the NFC East this year...guaranteed losses for everyone but ****tsburg.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 24, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
The Bengal's O-line technically isn't very good.  I watched Levi Jones pass set. Instead of having a good kick slide, splitting the defender with his kick foot, and keeping his shoulders square, on the sanp of the ball, he hops out of his stance, instead of taking steps, and turned his shoulders almost immediately giving the DE a soft shoulder and a rush lane to the QB.

Their whole O-line makes stupid errors and has no technique. Then again, The Bengals O-line coach teaches his linemen to pass set with their hands at their waist.    ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2008, 01:14:20 PM
Adam,

You should write an editorial OP to the Cincinnati Enquirer with that.  Its fundamentals these guys lack...and there's ZERO accountability for it.  Has Marvin led us from the abyss?  Yes..  BUT, I think a change needs to happen. 

Bill Cowher anyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 24, 2008, 03:19:18 PM
Just watch several NFL games & you'll see plenty of players that have thrown technique out the window. 
I was watching the Dallas game where two Dallas defenders tried to stop a receiver from scoring at the goal line & both had their heads down & were not wrapping up.   One of the guys was Zach Thomas who you would only expect to show proper form talking. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 24, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2008, 01:14:20 PM

Bill Cowher anyone?

Has Hell frozen over? I would love that hire, but we all know Mike Brown keeps people around until rigamortis sets in. Bill Cower, Bill Parcells, Bill Bellicheck...all great disciplinarians. Marvin Lewis...he might as well be Bill Lumberg.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 25, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
Speaking of discipline or lackthereof, does anyone know that Rashon Lewis has ended up at Mary-Hardin Baylor?  They are clearly a force to be reckoned with... but will he pull his BS shenanigans?

This is two years in a row the kid has transferred to a different school...actually three, if you count his first stop.  I wonder if MHB knows what they are dealing with..

http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2008/8/19/51576
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2008, 08:07:19 PM
He's useless as tits on a bull. They did a moment of silence thing for Gene Upshaw at the Seattle-San Diego game, and it seemed as if half the stadium felt the need to yell during it. Classless bastards. I thought the guy was as useless as Rashon Lewis was a QB, but still...have some class.

Tom Jackson brought up a good point about so many NFL starters sitting out during preseason. He pondered out loud if there would be an increase of injuries during the beginning weeks due to the lack of contact.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2008, 08:08:26 PM
And has someone posted on MHB's conference website about Rashon Lewis's attitude problems?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on August 26, 2008, 02:25:14 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2008, 08:08:26 PM
And has someone posted on MHB's conference website about Rashon Lewis's attitude problems?
Should anyone really go that far?

I mean, can't we assume that he will be the element of his own demise, without our input?  He's already there, so trying to 'warn' them is really pointless now.

Let him be, in my opinion.  Maybe they will shape him up, and if not, he will just ship out again, right?

Besides, we don't know exactly what kind of program MHB runs anyways, they might stick Rashon on the bottom of the depth chart and have him wearing the ball cap during games, making him practically harmless.

Well, a muffle would probably have to be added as well.

And a straight jacket.

Oh hell, just don't dress him if you're that worried about his behavior.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 26, 2008, 08:13:19 AM
funny quote from Pat on the ASC board that goes something like "if UMHB is starting rashon lewis at QB he will personally drop the a couple spots in the poll."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2008, 09:54:28 AM
stillmsj,

Someone on the ASC page said they are counting on him start at QB for MHB.

Like Pat said on there, I believe they are playing with fire. 

We should start a pool... on where he'll end up next year (if he has any eligibility)..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 26, 2008, 09:56:13 AM
Did he start or even play last year at whichever school he was playing for?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
Yep... there's some stats on the ASC page, that Ralph Turner put together.

39% completion last year at McMurry
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2008, 01:36:19 PM
Adam,

So you didn't tell me that you coached against my boy, Troy Tuck..   Glad to see he landed on his feet at Walnut Hills of all places..  I can't believe they've fallen on hard times like this.  I remember when they had a WR play at Miami and the RB, Glynn Johnson played at Indiana. 

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080826/COL03/808260357/1055/NEWS
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 26, 2008, 01:49:38 PM
About 12 years ago Walnut Hills had  competitive teams. What happened?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2008, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: frank uible on August 26, 2008, 01:49:38 PM
About 12 years ago Walnut Hills had  competitive teams. What happened?

exactly, Frank.....thats about the time I played against them (give or take a few years).  I'm not sure whats gone on there..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 27, 2008, 07:30:12 PM
They had a coach last year that might have been the worst football coach ever. It was almost as if he learned the game from a book and tried to be a HC. It would be like me trying to coach basketball. They have a great staff now and those kids will go 3-7 this year. They were pretty solid offensively but it doesn't help when you turn the ball over 3 times and have 13 penalties. The penalties we had were semi-reasonable but Walnut only had 4 or 5. Officials missed WR's jumping and our DT's jersey being pulled half off his shoulder pads and their WR spiking the ball when his catch was ruled incomplete. We rushed for over 230 yards and averaged 5.5 per rush and only had 1 penalty. My guys did a great job but when it's 1st and 20, it's hard to run the ball.

Ken Jones, MSJ's center from 2001-2002 and was a 2nd team All-HCAC played at Walnut. They used to be fairly competitive.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 01:17:12 AM
What's with things from Ohio being named after nuts???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 28, 2008, 12:19:30 PM
good god has been is that the best you got...must suck to be a Michigan fan right now
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
I'm not predicting miracles but Michigan will fare well this season, at least better than what is expected of them. 

It was nice to read the preview for the HCAC this upcoming season.  I also liked that they predicted DC to go 7-3 this season.  I would like that too & can see it happening if they start off strong in their nonconf. games. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 28, 2008, 01:00:12 PM
What is expected of them in terms of W/L?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 28, 2008, 02:13:10 PM
a loss in South Bend..

before you scoff at that... Michigan is in the same exact position as ND from a year ago personel-wise...plus a new coaching staff. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: frank uible on August 28, 2008, 01:00:12 PM
What is expected of them in terms of W/L?

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/analysis_big_ten.html has them going 7-5, 4-4.  In regards to rankings here are a few; http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/ncaa/specials/preview/2008/08/05/rankings0811/index.html has them at 54 out of the 119 (ND at 52 SaintsFan).  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex has them 24 in the coaches, 36 in their own power rankings, & 32 in the AP poll.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
Defiance's new athletics site is up & running at www.defianceathletics.com & it does work Kev ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 28, 2008, 09:39:08 PM
I read the first post on this page and almost choked on my budlight. Because the Big Ten isn't very competitive outside Ohio State, Wisconsin, and maybe...just maybe, Illinois, Michigan will probably be 5-3 in-conference. I still think they are better than Notre Dame. That puts them at 6 wins and the Bowl streak continues for Big Blue. Overall, I see them being 7-5ish. Considering all that has transpired, that would be a huge success for RichRod. I hate the state up north, but for this rivalry to be anything, both teams need to be winners. In some odd way, I do wish RichRod luck at Michigan.

I would much rather kick Michigan's ass as a 11-1/10-2 team than a 8-4/worse team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 28, 2008, 10:17:36 PM
Adam,

Noted.  I feel the same way about the 'hairy nuts' - it is much more satisfying to steal 'their' title than to just beat some lame team! ;D

SI predicts 5-7 for the Wolverines, which would be their first losing season in 46 years.  I just can't see it - I'll go a minimum of 8-4, maybe 9-3.

Aw heck, let's re-enact 1969: OSU is 'the greatest team ever', until Michigan beats them 24-12 and RR morphs into Bo! :o  (Though we could do without the heart attack just before the Rose Bowl!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
Defiance's new athletics site is up & running at www.defianceathletics.com & it does work Kev ;)

any clue as to who is going to be throwing the INT's this year for the Yellow Jackets? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
If you guys really think Michigan gets by ND this year IN South Bend, then put your money where your mouth is...  name the wager. 

As far as Michigan getting 9 wins this year....I've heard of doctors telling people to stop drinking when the hallucinating begins.


Meanwhile, bigger fish to fry. . .

I was listening to 101.1 on the way in (because I want to see how people are reacting to Osama Obama's speech)... my god...our country is in trouble.  Esp if all you idiots out there are drinking the koolaid on this guy.  My cuz is DA up in Chicago... Obama is a product of Chicago politics...he's dirty.  He (and the media) have some people fooled...thinking that he's new and fresh and going to be doing some new things because he's not like anyone else.  Well, they're right...he's NOT like anyone else...outside of Chicago.  I am moving to the British Virgin Islands if America elects this idiot.

They are already saying that if he doesn't get elected, that its racism?  Really?  Or how about just wanting the best candidate to lead our country?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 08:10:43 AM
And on the hilarious news front....

http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2008/08/29/51843

wow!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 29, 2008, 08:23:01 AM
Good find SaintsFan

Athletic senior Rashon Lewis, who had transferred from McMurry and was playing for his fourth school, no longer is with the program after a falling out on Wednesday.

"Rashon Lewis is not a part of this team and did not want to be a part of this team," Fredenburg said.

Now why does that not surprise me.  :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 09:21:06 AM
I can't take credit for the find, KYGrizz.  It was on the ASC page in the South Region.  There's been kind of an ongoing discussion on him since Tuesday. 

Can anyone see him behaving this way?  Shocker, I know

Also, a little article on Thomas More in today's Cincinnati Enquirer

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080829/SPT01/808290424/1062/SPT
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 29, 2008, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
Defiance's new athletics site is up & running at www.defianceathletics.com & it does work Kev ;)

any clue as to who is going to be throwing the INT's this year for the Yellow Jackets? ;D

I guess we'll have an idea after the scrimmage with Olivet, eh?  A brief perusal of the DC roster indicates that Taylor invested in "beef futures" with the incoming, frosh o-liners.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Meanwhile, bigger fish to fry. . .

I was listening to 101.1 on the way in (because I want to see how people are reacting to Osama Obama's speech)... my god...our country is in trouble.  Esp if all you idiots out there are drinking the koolaid on this guy.  My cuz is DA up in Chicago... Obama is a product of Chicago politics...he's dirty.  He (and the media) have some people fooled...thinking that he's new and fresh and going to be doing some new things because he's not like anyone else.  Well, they're right...he's NOT like anyone else...outside of Chicago.  I am moving to the British Virgin Islands if America elects this idiot.

They are already saying that if he doesn't get elected, that its racism?  Really?  Or how about just wanting the best candidate to lead our country?
First, all politicians are dirty one way or another in my opinion.  Second, I think we are in trouble regardless of who gets voted in as President. 
I feel Obama talks way too much B.S. while McCain is too conservative especially w/ Palin being announced as his VP.  Why can't  we just bring back Bill Clinton for another term? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 01:14:03 PM
I think you're right...about us having to choose the "lesser of two evils" for the 3rd straight election.  Its terrible.

Whats really bad is this guy was nominated and has such a broad platform that he couldn't possibly get anything done in 8 years.. let alone the 6 months he'll have in office...sad but true.

The media has protected him... hopefully the gloves come off in the next two months.  He's nothing more than a good public speaker... I could care less how our president sounds as long as he gets things done to improve our country.

I told my manager that I'm moving to the British Virgin Islands if he gets elected...and I'm serious about that.  I've begun looking around down there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 01:27:31 PM
My favorite from Obama last night was when he said that in 10 years he'll have us not depending on the Middle East for oil.  My question to that is, who will we be depending on then for oil? 

I also wanted to know what the penalty for not having your mouthpiece in during a play in college?  B/C I kept on seeing Stanford's RB Toby Gerhart leaving his out last night & this pic proved he did for at least this play. http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/index
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 01:14:03 PM
I told my manager that I'm moving to the British Virgin Islands if he gets elected...and I'm serious about that.  I've begun looking around down there.
I'm coming to visit by the way!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 01:37:43 PM
haha... you're more than welcome.  Just have your wife bring a friend.. single or not, doesn't matter... its a different area code.

I've been joking with some of my friends about the fact I'll need a 3 BR place down there...for all the visitors.

I was just given a book detailing everything I need to do...to move down there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 29, 2008, 03:31:19 PM
Do they play American football in the BVI?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 03:33:10 PM
no sir....just that commie version, as far as I can tell.



PAT COLEMAN>>>>>  How many HCAC guys (with their big cushy jobs) have purchased the Kickoff for 2008??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
Not very many. At least one from every school except for Hanover, but no more than three from any school.

And a fan of one of the conference title contenders has a password they seem to have been sharing around the conference, so that's kind of disheartening.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 03:51:29 PM
SaintsFan- I purchased Kickoff & I don't even have a cushy job. ;)  I do have a cushy chair at my desk that I won't be using b/c I'm now a PE teacher.

In regards to Kickoff & this being my first year getting it, I am really impressed.  The downfall is that I've spent too much time on it so far & is not really allowing me to be productive with things that I need to get done.  I'm going to give it two thumbs up & suggest that some should cough up the $10 bones.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Alright, folks, both tickets are set and the run-up to the election is ready to start in earnest.

You can talk politics, but not here. Go out to the main page of D3boards.com and scroll down to Anything Goes.

With this board around, I will take an even heavier hand in deleting political talk here and on other boards. Only in Anything Goes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 29, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
Pat - Good move.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Alright, folks, both tickets are set and the run-up to the election is ready to start in earnest.

You can talk politics, but not here. Go out to the main page of D3boards.com and scroll down to Anything Goes.

With this board around, I will take an even heavier hand in deleting political talk here and on other boards. Only in Anything Goes.
Wow!!!  Anything else you want monitor Pat, or just politics? 

Anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing about the DC scrimmage.  It should at least give an idea of who will be taking the majority of the reps under center this season.  Last time DC used a two qb rotation it worked pretty well w/ DC winning the conference that year in 2002. 
What about the rest of the HCAC & their camps, any news?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
Not very many. At least one from every school except for Hanover, but no more than three from any school.

And a fan of one of the conference title contenders has a password they seem to have been sharing around the conference, so that's kind of disheartening.

Thats a juvenile move... I hope its not MSJ.  Come on guys, this is the only time they ask for money here and helps them to offset the costs of a FREE service that provides us a forum to talk about how big an asshole Rashon Lewis and some of the Franklin fans are!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 29, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 29, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
Not very many. At least one from every school except for Hanover, but no more than three from any school.

And a fan of one of the conference title contenders has a password they seem to have been sharing around the conference, so that's kind of disheartening.

Thats a juvenile move... I hope its not MSJ.  Come on guys, this is the only time they ask for money here and helps them to offset the costs of a FREE service that provides us a forum to talk about how big an asshole Rashon Lewis and some of the Franklin fans are!

Beyond juvenile - it is theft.  I'm not a lawyer and have no idea if it would be prosecutable, but ethically it is clearly theft (no moral difference from tapping into your neighbor's cable line).  A major BOOOO to whoever the culprit is!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 30, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
Not me.....Kevin, maybe I didn't need to explain the "cancer" comment. Rashon did just fine on his own.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2008, 02:03:03 AM
 :D  Yes he did...RIGHT on cue. 

OK, so it was me...yeah right.  I don't know who I'm betting the culprits are...

Adam ...you guys up or down tonight?  I'm too drunk to type in the name of our newspaper, it eappears.

Also, tomorrow night, we rented out the VIP at Club Q or something (whatever its fcking called)...for a bday party.  Lots of trim and a good time if any of you Cincy boys want to go... send me a PM or call Sayer if you can't and I'll give you my ph #.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 30, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
Our FB from high school is in town and we're all going to the Reds...I mean Deads game tonight.

I could not believe how many plays we had last night where we were 1 block away from the BIG play. It amazing what 1 person not doing their job can do. One person doesn't make the team but one person can sure screw the team. Very frustrating to know where right there and can't come through.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 30, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
I'm not predicting miracles but Michigan will fare well this season, at least better than what is expected of them.   
I'm going to take that back, they'll be lucky to win six games this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 30, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
I'm not predicting miracles but Michigan will fare well this season, at least better than what is expected of them.   
I'm going to take that back, they'll be lucky to win six games this year.

I'd say the ONLY two bright spots were the kicker (a 50-yarder that would have been good from 60) and the second-half defense (313 yards :o in the first half, but only 46 in the second).  If not for Utah penalties, the game would have been a rout.

They were MUCH worse (at least today, he says hopefully) than I had been led to believe. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2008, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Alright, folks, both tickets are set and the run-up to the election is ready to start in earnest.

You can talk politics, but not here. Go out to the main page of D3boards.com and scroll down to Anything Goes.

With this board around, I will take an even heavier hand in deleting political talk here and on other boards. Only in Anything Goes.
Wow!!!  Anything else you want monitor Pat, or just politics? 


Well, we haven't had a lot of religion talk but that's the other really divisive issue that if need be, I'd lay down the hammer on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 31, 2008, 12:45:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2008, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Alright, folks, both tickets are set and the run-up to the election is ready to start in earnest.

You can talk politics, but not here. Go out to the main page of D3boards.com and scroll down to Anything Goes.

With this board around, I will take an even heavier hand in deleting political talk here and on other boards. Only in Anything Goes.
Wow!!!  Anything else you want monitor Pat, or just politics? 


Well, we haven't had a lot of religion talk but that's the other really divisive issue that if need be, I'd lay down the hammer on.
Does gay marriage fall under religion or politics? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2008, 01:52:23 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2008, 12:45:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2008, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Alright, folks, both tickets are set and the run-up to the election is ready to start in earnest.

You can talk politics, but not here. Go out to the main page of D3boards.com and scroll down to Anything Goes.

With this board around, I will take an even heavier hand in deleting political talk here and on other boards. Only in Anything Goes.
Wow!!!  Anything else you want monitor Pat, or just politics? 


Well, we haven't had a lot of religion talk but that's the other really divisive issue that if need be, I'd lay down the hammer on.
Does gay marriage fall under religion or politics? 

That (and abortion) are the atomic mix of both - DON'T go there! :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 31, 2008, 09:03:33 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2008, 12:45:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2008, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 29, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Alright, folks, both tickets are set and the run-up to the election is ready to start in earnest.

You can talk politics, but not here. Go out to the main page of D3boards.com and scroll down to Anything Goes.

With this board around, I will take an even heavier hand in deleting political talk here and on other boards. Only in Anything Goes.
Wow!!!  Anything else you want monitor Pat, or just politics? 


Well, we haven't had a lot of religion talk but that's the other really divisive issue that if need be, I'd lay down the hammer on.
Does gay marriage fall under religion or politics? 

good question Has_Ben...since we talk about your wife a lot and we know she has to be for gay marriage considering you are a big vagina and she married you
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 31, 2008, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 30, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 28, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
I'm not predicting miracles but Michigan will fare well this season, at least better than what is expected of them.   
I'm going to take that back, they'll be lucky to win six games this year.

I'd say the ONLY two bright spots were the kicker (a 50-yarder that would have been good from 60) and the second-half defense (313 yards :o in the first half, but only 46 in the second).  If not for Utah penalties, the game would have been a rout.

They were MUCH worse (at least today, he says hopefully) than I had been led to believe. 

not that i hate to kick Michigan while they are down but OSU had a 54 yd FG that would have been good from 64.  still a step behind us.

on another good news front a guy who works for me in Chicago has been hyping up Illinois saying the D is good and super fast he kept calling them SEC good and SEC fast.  after the 52pts they gave up if that is SEC good who in the SEC will take out OSU in the BCS :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 31, 2008, 09:52:51 AM
Has_Been looks like the QB will be the biggest question to answer.  per the new (and now functioning) DC website there are 6 QB's on the roster.  1Jr, 1 Soph, 4 Freshman (2 of which are wearing a/b jerseys)

will be intersting to see next sat night in Muskingham how things go.  the Oline and running game should be good and the D is always solid.  Never knnow, hopefully they answer questions better than Michigan did!!

Talk about shceudling extremes why was Penn State playing a D2 school that has only been in existance for 6 years.  Today University of Dayton plays Central State and my guess is it wil be at least a 40 pt win for UD what is crazier the same central state plays Youngstown State in a couple weeks (CSU is working for NCAA D2 but currently has no scholarships)  that is going to be a beating 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 31, 2008, 12:45:43 PM
Anyone interested in the Pick 'em's, I'll have games posted for Week 1 soon.  Let me know if you want to play straight winners, or if you want me to try to set spreads (no guarantees that they will be any good!).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 31, 2008, 01:15:33 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 31, 2008, 09:03:33 AM
good question Has_Ben...since we talk about your wife a lot and we know she has to be for gay marriage considering you are a big vagina and she married you
Oh 70dcalum- So I know & respect your wife so much I won't even go there about what type of guy she married.
In regards to DC, I'm just hoping they put something together b/c they could do really well if they find a few missing pieces.

wabashcpa- I'm down for Pick em's & I'm a fan for just doing straight winners.  If you want to do spreads I'll still be down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 31, 2008, 02:26:50 PM
I'm watching the HS games on ESPN and they said in Missouri, if your winning by 35 points in the 2nd half, they run the clock at all times. Very odd. I'm guessing they're worried about a HS kid's self esteem if his team gets beat 60-0  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 31, 2008, 02:30:22 PM
'BashCPA - Count me in, either way, though I cannot imagine your spread deliveries to be crazier than "Wally's".  Perhaps the fountains in Baxter Hall were tainted, but regardless, someone has to bring the scoop to follow the horses and "I is it."   ;D

Sayer - at least they're not stopping the games, ala "Mercy Rules" or the state of Connecticut DOE ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 31, 2008, 02:38:19 PM
I think in Indiana the referee's have the discretion to implement a running clock if both coaches are agreeable - I agree it's odd to have it automatically instituted at a set score differential and time. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 31, 2008, 03:24:48 PM
70_dc_alum:

Coastal Carolina is a FCS (formerly D1AA) school, not a DII program.  They are in the Big South Conference which is all DI (FCS) schools, although a couple were small college programs until the last two years (Gardner-Webb and Presbyterian) - VMI is in the conference also.  While I agree with you that it was a "mismatch" against Penn State, on the other hand the game was not so much extreme scheduling because as you know, this is common place now where many FCS play FBS (or DII vs DIII) for the early non-conference games.  Certainly, an occasion upset occurs - Appal. State last year against Michgan (although no way was that going to happen this year vs. LSU!) and look at Western Michigan upseting Pittsburgh yesterday.  However, most of the time that doesn't occur.  Anyway, just thought I'd mention my thoughts on that.

Hope you are doing well.  How did Defiance do in their scrimmage yesterday?  Hope had their Annual Blue & Orange final intra-squad scrimmage yesteday.  Looked pretty good, although defense will need to do some work (a little "porous" at times).  At least no one sustainded injuries yesterday either.  Take care and look forward to posting on the boards again this year with you and your HCAC colleagues.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on August 31, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 31, 2008, 02:26:50 PM
I'm watching the HS games on ESPN and they said in Missouri, if your winning by 35 points in the 2nd half, they run the clock at all times. Very odd. I'm guessing they're worried about a HS kid's self esteem if his team gets beat 60-0  ???

Michigan High School has a similar rule for high school football as well as high school basketball ... I don't know the exact details since I don't get a chance to see games at that level.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 31, 2008, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 31, 2008, 03:24:48 PM
70_dc_alum:

Coastal Carolina is a FCS (formerly D1AA) school, not a DII program.  They are in the Big South Conference which is all DI (FCS) schools, although a couple were small college programs until the last two years (Gardner-Webb and Presbyterian) - VMI is in the conference also.  While I agree with you that it was a "mismatch" against Penn State, on the other hand the game was not so much extreme scheduling because as you know, this is common place now where many FCS play FBS (or DII vs DIII) for the early non-conference games.  Certainly, an occasion upset occurs - Appal. State last year against Michgan (although no way was that going to happen this year vs. LSU!) and look at Western Michigan upseting Pittsburgh yesterday.  However, most of the time that doesn't occur.  Anyway, just thought I'd mention my thoughts on that.


Not to be picky, but Bowling Green beat Pitt yesterday.  Plus I don't really see that as too big of an upset.  The MAC has been a decent conference for the past couple of years doing alright against the larger schools. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 01, 2008, 09:29:37 AM
at 1 time when i was watching the announcers kept calling them d2 when they were saying jopa had grandchildren older than their program.  that is also where the Bengals 2nd round pick came from and i could swear the talking heads on ESPN were cracking we wasted a pick on a D2 school WR.

running clock is a fairly common rule outside of ohio.  it is the same in IL as your heard for Mizzu.  while soem is the fact they dont want anyone getting beat 77-0, it keeps the time down becuase it is a very long game when the clock stops every 2 min for a TD.  less time reduces risk for injury blah blah blah.  young kids play in the reserve game so you dont need to get reps.  in IL the reserve game starts at 6pm and the varsity game start 20min after the reserve game so you really dont put the reserves in for varsity mop up time and if both games should have running clock it could be 11pm before they get finished if they did not have it.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2008, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2008, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 31, 2008, 03:24:48 PM
70_dc_alum:

Coastal Carolina is a FCS (formerly D1AA) school, not a DII program.  They are in the Big South Conference which is all DI (FCS) schools, although a couple were small college programs until the last two years (Gardner-Webb and Presbyterian) - VMI is in the conference also.  While I agree with you that it was a "mismatch" against Penn State, on the other hand the game was not so much extreme scheduling because as you know, this is common place now where many FCS play FBS (or DII vs DIII) for the early non-conference games.  Certainly, an occasion upset occurs - Appal. State last year against Michgan (although no way was that going to happen this year vs. LSU!) and look at Western Michigan upseting Pittsburgh yesterday.  However, most of the time that doesn't occur.  Anyway, just thought I'd mention my thoughts on that.


Not to be picky, but Bowling Green beat Pitt yesterday.  Plus I don't really see that as too big of an upset.  The MAC has been a decent conference for the past couple of years doing alright against the larger schools. 

dc_:

You're not picky at all,  :) - my bad.  Indeed, it was Bowling Green that beat Pitt, not Western Michigan; not sure why I typed in Western because Western lost out west as I recall.  Must be that that I'm getting old ;D.

Anyway, while Pitt is not a powerhouse obviously, they are no slouch team and I would agree with many of the announcers and college football pundits that it was an upset as Pitt was ranked #25 coupled with the fact that no MAC team had won at Pitt before in several tries.  Regardless, I do agree with you that for the most part, the MAC teams are getting better, although others of them lost on Sat.  Northern Ill had a close one as I recall.

Additional random thoughts:

1)  I'm not disputing your relating what the announcers had said about Coastal Carolina as I did not watch/catch any of that.  I'd have to go back and look at the history of CC's program - I know it is relatively new, like FLA Atlantic and FLA International and even Central FLA and South FLA.  It could be that they indeed started out as a DII program, although I know they have been DIAA for recent years because they played DIAA teams (now FCS as you know) such as Western Carolina, Appalachian State, Furman, etc. I believe.  Even Central FLA and South FLA started their programs out at the DIII level for a few years, then progressed to DII, then DIAA and now DI, however that was always the "game plan" from the beginning for those schools.  I do remember the times when they were playing DIII schools - kind of strange to see how much the programs have changed. 

2)  Anyway, wouldn't you agree that the "talking heads" even at ESPN don't know it all sometimes - their remark a "wasting a pick on a D2 school WR" might not always fly - look at Mt. Union's Garcon - another DIII guy making the big time.  I love to see our DIII (and DII) players occasionally prove those guys wrong.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 01, 2008, 03:55:17 PM
Smaller DI schools are more able to compete now because the NCAA cut down the number of scholarships available. The big time schools have to share the wealth with some of the smaller ones now. You're starting to see, the last 3 years, some of the smaller schools reaping the benefits and I thin here within the next 5 years the BCS is going to be outdated due to the parity of college football. More teams will be finishing 11-1/10-2 and fewer will be undefeated at the end of the year.

Wherever I'm a head coach, we're going to come out of the locker room to Enter Sandman like Va Tech does. Right at the 1 minute mark where the Tempo and the drumps increase. Bad-A$$.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LionsDen on September 01, 2008, 11:08:17 PM
How about we talk about some HCAC football now. since week 1 is now here. Predictions for opening week? any upsets on the prowl? here are mine:
MSJ over Wilmington 35-6
Manchester over Trine- 21-17
Franklin over BW 28-10
Centre over Hanover 24-13
Defiance over Musk 31-21
Rose-Hulman over Earlham 14-10
Alma over Bluffton
Anderson over Taylor

Thoughts? Look for MSJ defense to rock the HCAC this season. they have the 2 best corners along with future all american Alex Harbin at DE. Linebackers are solid as well as the rest of the Dline. MSJ Offense should be led by returning QB vinny palmer again as well as a solid group of wideouts and 3 deep at running back. Look for Frankin to have a loss to Butler after week 2 and MSJ will take the HCAC crown with a victory over them on homecoming! GO LIONS!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 02, 2008, 08:37:59 AM
Trine lost some but think they will beat Manchester United.  the upset on the board is BW at Franklin...this will be a close game if not look out becuase Franklin is even better than advertised.  BW is solid but more important they are well coached.

i am tired this AM but i stayed up to watch the UCLA game last night...great game.  only thing that is a pet peeve of mine.  why when coaches take the late led they pooch/squib kick it.  i know Tenn had some good returns but just play percentages.  what is the percent that a deep high kickoff is returned close to mid field, 2 or 3 out of 10.  the pooch/squib kick has to be something closer to 50%...when the announcer started saying they need to squib i wanted to yell at the TV.  all they needed was 3 pts to tie and there was 30 seconds left.  sure enough the up-back snags the ball at the 30 and is to the 40 before the first wave ever gets to him.  2 quick out routes and they tie it up.  kick it deep you have the momentum you should be able to make a play, if not you dont deserve to win but dont give it away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2008, 09:19:59 AM
great game...you're right..but I think Tennessee is in deep doo-doo if they don't get Crompton to play better in the 1st halves of the games.  He did this last year in his one start too..  btw, they are my 3rd favorite college team behind ND, TMC...  I get sick to my stomach when Fulmer loses games like this.. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2008, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: LionsDen on September 01, 2008, 11:08:17 PM
Look for Frankin to have a loss to Butler after week 2 and MSJ will take the HCAC crown with a victory over them on homecoming! GO LIONS!!!

homie, you're smoking rock on this one.. basically Butler would be a garbage D3 team...even when they were good... they were very beatable by D3 teams.  I speak from experience...we played at the Butler Bowl in 1995 (no fan presence), they had a TB named Arnold Mickens who was being mentioned as a Heisman darkhouse(far-fetched).Franklin will win this one...and against BW. 

I think MSJ is one year away from regaining the HCAC crown (Rupp is gone after this year).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 02, 2008, 09:34:27 AM
Pick 'ems are up - we'll try spreads this year to make picks like Bluffton/Alma more interesting (hopefully).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 02, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
Saints,

When Mickens was there Butler had already transitioned to "One Double-A non-Scholly" ball.

When Butler played GVSU year in and year out they would've throttled MUC going away.  They were an elite D2 team.  Elite.  The rest of the D2 nation hoped for Butler to keep GVSU from the playoffs because they were indomitable.  Those aren't new comings and goings up there with Martin.

Was strange to see WKU playing Indiana as this past weekend had former Butler coach, Bill Lynch, facing off against WKU's coach, a former Butler player.

Give an idea how good Butler was, many and several of Lynch's Butler players followed him to Ball State upon Butler's recategorization, wherein they took the field as starters and won a pair of bowl games.

Don't know whether the WKU coach played for Lynch, LaRose or Bartolomeo.  But remember Mickens was cast as a linebacker at IU and felt he was a tailback.  He was the average player on the Butler D2 teams and the crown jewel on the double-A non-Scholly.  Mickens was briefly, very briefly the head coach at my high school.

signed,
Lambeau Fields
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
Was your HS the school where he got into trouble for his dealings with his players??


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 02, 2008, 02:16:56 PM
Saints, really I don't know.

I do question whether his understanding of football met with the school's vision of a student athlete.  But then again, that could simply be boilerplate material.  They kept me around to graduate and I know mine was pretty polar.

I think the issue had more to do with choosing his own coaching staff and less to do with direct player dealings.

When I was there, at times Secret Service would run the scout team offense from under center in suits and ties.  Seriously.  We had so few players they would sub in and out.

signed,
Ceteris Paribus
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 02, 2008, 02:35:20 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2008, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: LionsDen on September 01, 2008, 11:08:17 PM
Look for Frankin to have a loss to Butler after week 2 and MSJ will take the HCAC crown with a victory over them on homecoming! GO LIONS!!!

homie, you're smoking rock on this one.. basically Butler would be a garbage D3 team...even when they were good... they were very beatable by D3 teams.  I speak from experience...we played at the Butler Bowl in 1995 (no fan presence), they had a TB named Arnold Mickens who was being mentioned as a Heisman darkhouse(far-fetched).Franklin will win this one...and against BW. 

I think MSJ is one year away from regaining the HCAC crown (Rupp is gone after this year).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 02, 2008, 02:37:28 PM
some FC love from Saints fan at the expense of the MSJ inner circle.  Hope your right.  FC will need to play well regardless to win the next two weekends.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2008, 05:12:46 PM
Thought I would chime in here a bit friends.  Saintsfan, MacLeod is right.  When Butler was DII, they were very good.  Funny how long ago that seems, but then again, I'm getting old ;D.  We've had discussions along this line many a time in the past on here re: DII non-scholarship Pioneer.  Granted, Butler has been very down the past decade, having been beaten by Albion.  I will say, however, that it is very possible that they can ressurect their program.  Despite being DII non-scholarship, those Pioneer programs are not all like DIII programs like some people routinely suggest.  When Harbaugh was at San Diego, they were smashing people including beating Yale, and when Dayton has had their better teams in years, unlikely that teams other than perhaps say Mount or a Whitewater would beat them.  Heck, even when Valpo had one of their better years of recent (I believe they won the Pioneer Championship about 5 years ago or so - don't have the records right in front of me at present), they were no slouch team and would have kicked any DIII teams tail (except perhaps for our top elite DIII's as mentioned). 

I will admit, however, that it will take Butler (and Drake although CC will do well there most likely) a while to get back to that level.  The Bucknells, Fordhams, Davidsons, etc. are still a step up on DIII as far as talent in the majority of situations, IMO.  Just my 0.02 worth ;) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 02, 2008, 06:16:40 PM
If the past three years are any indication, FC should be the favorite on 9/13. Albion has not been a real strong team the last three years and Butler is 1-2 and beat a down Hanover teams the last two years.  But this is another year. 

2007-2008 SCHEDULE
09/01/07   vs. Albion   Indianapolis, IN   W, 42-14
09/08/07   at Hanover Madison, IN   W, 44-14

2006-2007 SCHEDULE
09/02/06   at Albion   Albion, Mich.   L, 31-10
09/09/06   vs. Hanover Indianapolis, Ind.   W, 30-20

2006-2007 SCHEDULE
9/03/05   vs. Albion   Indianapolis, Ind.   L, 28-23
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2008, 08:07:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 02, 2008, 05:12:46 PM
Thought I would chime in here a bit friends.  Saintsfan, MacLeod is right.  When Butler was DII, they were very good.  Funny how long ago that seems, but then again, I'm getting old ;D.  We've had discussions along this line many a time in the past on here re: DII non-scholarship Pioneer.  Granted, Butler has been very down the past decade, having been beaten by Albion.  I will say, however, that it is very possible that they can ressurect their program.  Despite being DII non-scholarship, those Pioneer programs are not all like DIII programs like some people routinely suggest.  When Harbaugh was at San Diego, they were smashing people including beating Yale, and when Dayton has had their better teams in years, unlikely that teams other than perhaps say Mount or a Whitewater would beat them.  Heck, even when Valpo had one of their better years of recent (I believe they won the Pioneer Championship about 5 years ago or so - don't have the records right in front of me at present), they were no slouch team and would have kicked any DIII teams tail (except perhaps for our top elite DIII's as mentioned). 

I will admit, however, that it will take Butler (and Drake although CC will do well there most likely) a while to get back to that level.  The Bucknells, Fordhams, Davidsons, etc. are still a step up on DIII as far as talent in the majority of situations, IMO.  Just my 0.02 worth ;) ;D

Thats what I mean though, lately is the operative word... lately Butler has been "Manchester United" Garbage..  I guess we caught them right after their reign was over in 1995.  They still had some studs though...a couple of the Andreadis boys, Mickens and a good QB.  We came to play....if Franklin does the same...no problem (even 13 years later)..

How have you been formerd3db?  How did the wedding turn out?  You know I can't take too much exception to anything you say, since you were one of the doctors on the field at Alma in 1999. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
We have a freshman who got MRSA the other day and is set to be in the hospital for 4 months and has to keep his leg in some machine from what I'm told. I guess the infection got in his bone...which is what happend to me, but the precautions the doctors are taking seem a little over the top.

When I had Staph, I ended up with Osteomyelitis and Toxic Shock Syndrome and I was in the hospital for 3.5 weeks. I was on a home IV with a PICC line from October 5 till December 23 but I was able to be at school once my White Blood count was high enough (took an additional 3 weeks after I got out from the hospital). Once I went back to school, I took IV antibiotics until December and was put on oral antibiotics until Januaryt-Februaryish. I was still on oral's while I was wrestling.

MRSA has been around for a while now and I'm confused as to why the panic now and not earlier. I never knew staph was an issue until I got it. Once I found out, I learned about MRSA and what it was and this was in 1999...9 years ago. Now, we have kids walking around with clorox wipes wiping off door knobs, we spent 45 minutes cleaning pads with Clorox, we made them take all their stuff home to wash it, and the kids are wearing rubber gloves to touch their stuff. I know is a communicable disease but it's like the panic when War of the World's was first read on the radio.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 04, 2008, 11:10:41 AM
storylines for Saturday? 

we've been waiting 9 months for this season to start...finally I can stop paying attention to the Reds..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 04, 2008, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 04, 2008, 11:10:41 AM
finally I can stop paying attention to the Reds..

you could have done that in April
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 04, 2008, 02:33:31 PM
I know, right? 

I'm an eternal optimist for Cincy professional sports. 

Our best professional football team is Ohio State and I haven't quite found a replacement for the "Deads" yet... look at our choices this year (Indians, Pirates)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 05, 2008, 07:10:01 AM
Louisville Bats.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 05, 2008, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 05, 2008, 07:10:01 AM
Louisville Bats.

After losing the first game of the playoffs 3 - 0, their bats literally came alive as they one 19 - 3. Homer Bailey got his first win since April 30th.

Link for story: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/SPORTS/809050481/1002

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2008, 10:49:58 AM
this helps with nothing on who the QB is straight out of the Crescent News...



"But our passing game is probably a little bit behind. A lot of the passing game is new this year versus what we did last year, where as our running game is basically the same from a year ago. I would say if you had to look at the overall picture, our running game is ahead of the passing game, which is good because we like to run the ball."

A new signal-caller will also line up under center this fall with three-year starter Hans Vetter transferring to work toward his degree.

Currently, a trio of quarterbacks are battling for the starting spot. Junior Joey Stephens saw limited action a year ago and completed 3-of-4 passes. Geneva College transfer Austin Karcher, who's father is the quarterbacks coach at the University of Toledo, comes to DC as a sophomore and is in the mix along with rookie newcomer Rick Powell.

"It really hasn't played out," said Taylor of the QB battle. "We really don't know who we're going to start at quarterback. We have three kids that we're looking at. All three of them have had pretty decent camps and all three of them are in the mix right now. I'll probably wait until right before Muskingum to announce somebody."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
if you have two...you've got none..   

and if you got THREE??   :o

I'm changing my pick on the HCAC Pickem..

and by the way....I know this newspaper made up that quote.  No WAY does a college football coach say something like that about why its good the running game is ahead of the passing game.  haha...LOL!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 05, 2008, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2008, 10:49:58 AM
A new signal-caller will also line up under center this fall with three-year starter Hans Vetter transferring to work toward his degree.

???

After three years at Defiance he decides to transfer to work toward his degree?  This seems strange so late in the game, but whatever.

Looks like more of the same otherwise out of DC - hope that running game is firing on all cylinders.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 05, 2008, 12:18:08 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 05, 2008, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2008, 10:49:58 AM
A new signal-caller will also line up under center this fall with three-year starter Hans Vetter transferring to work toward his degree.

???

After three years at Defiance he decides to transfer to work toward his degree?  This seems strange so late in the game, but whatever.



Perhaps an "interception record" was deemed a worthy milestone, and Hans decided to exercise a Metamucil Moment - time to move on.  :D

Has the college developed a journalism department or public relations, specialty degree given the "positive spin" employed on several, recent happenings?  Might one of the recent, inmates/alums enlighten me as it's been awhile (34 years)?   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2008, 03:48:44 PM
Speaking of new courses of study, I know that Thomas More now has a Sports Management program on campus... 

Had we had this in the late 90s, I would have changed majors again. 

Then again, I could take a few classes and see the sights again..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 12:42:34 AM
Maybe Taylor will rotate all three qb's every series!  Whatever the case the better at least win this Saturday.  Good luck to all of the HCAC foe out there tomorrow & the PAC school that is always on this board ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 06, 2008, 11:05:31 AM
Good luck to all the HCAC teams as they open up the football season today. Hopefully injuries will be at a minimum for the teams this year.

SaintsFan this also goes for Thomas More. I know there a some players down here from Louisville on the roster this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2008, 11:48:15 AM
Thanks Grizz..

I know we have a freshman RB from Seneca in the mix this year...  Should be an exciting day to be a Saint. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2008, 04:22:57 PM
I'm going to admit...I was silently thinking that Thomas More could shock John Carroll today.  .  .

Hats off to the Streaks.  They played with poise and intensity.  JCU defense forced a fumble on our first offensive play and it set the tone for the day.  I was impressed with how well coached John Carroll is, the QB who made some great reads on the zone/read, and also the WR's who made some acrobatic catches.  Thomas More has not closed the gap with upper-tier OAC teams and thats ok, not many teams have.

Some positives from today:  Our team speed is way up from where it has been.   We have three good RB's who carry the ball and three very good receivers. 

One guy in the secondary stood out by bring it on some good hits, UC-transfer Martez Williams.   When he goes in for a tackle, the ball carrier goes down.  The Saints haven't had that kind of presence in the defensive backfield since Eric Fette on Dean Paul's teams.

I'm not discouraged...this is a young team...they'll regroup this open week and prepare for RB Robert Heller and Waynesburg on Sept 20th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 06, 2008, 08:34:32 PM
21-3 DC kicks a FG 8min left in the 3rd.  DC recovered a fumble at the 8 and got no yds to kick the FG
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 06, 2008, 09:10:09 PM
FC beats Baldwin Wallace 42-35. Not that close. With 9 minutes left it was 35-14  longest 9 minutes of football that I ever saw.  BW essentially three man team.  The QB for BW was chased out of the pocket every other down the entire second half.  FC has some early season gaps in the secondary and the running game is not as stout but BW is one of the two best teams FC will see all season. MSJ will need to be on on cylinders as Rupp is the real deal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 09:19:02 PM
70dcalum-are you getting the game on 105.7?  & is DC really trailing 21-3 to a team that didn't win a game last year? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2008, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on September 06, 2008, 09:10:09 PM
MSJ will need to be on on cylinders as Rupp is the real deal.

Rupp's the real deal?  Thats good they found a QB.

Congrats on the win.. beating an OAC team is an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2008, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 09:19:02 PM
70dcalum-are you getting the game on 105.7?  & is DC really trailing 21-3 to a team that didn't win a game last year? 

uh oh...  not that I can say much...though, JCU had 17 starters back from last year's team..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 06, 2008, 09:53:59 PM
only listened for a few minutes it was bad. 28-3 when I shut it down. Radio guy was commenting about lack of passing game because down that much late in 3rd still sticking to the run. Spoke to Radzik and he was saying it is so swap meet up there the game was not even on the radio in defiance. Internet feed was from muskingam
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 10:31:09 PM
A. DC's game wasn't on their own station, B. They lost to a team that was 0-10 last year, & C. their new website only showed the score & had no stats at all. 
I did go to the Muskingum website to hear the final score & get the stats, http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/football/2008games/game1.htm  I'm worried that it could be a very long & sad year for DC if they don't get their act together.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
Oh yeah, 1-12 on 3rd down doesn't really help.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 06, 2008, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
Oh yeah, 1-12 on 3rd down doesn't really help.

C'mon Has_Been and 70_...the glass is half full!

1 of 12,  3rd conversions in a first game doesn't automatically translate into an 0-10 season, does it?  I'd hate to think that the Jackets are still suffering hangover from Bluffton last November.  :-[  OTOH,  >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2008, 12:40:02 AM
could be worse, I guess...DC could be Chuck Liddell tonight...  hello retirement?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2008, 01:33:14 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 06, 2008, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
Oh yeah, 1-12 on 3rd down doesn't really help.

C'mon Has_Been and 70_...the glass is half full!

1 of 12,  3rd conversions in a first game doesn't automatically translate into an 0-10 season, does it?  I'd hate to think that the Jackets are still suffering hangover from Bluffton last November.  :-[  OTOH,  >:(
I'm not saying they will go 0-10 & I still have hope they can turn it around, but losing 35-10 to a team that went 0-10 last year hurts.  You should have heard the announcers on the radio.  It was like they won the championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2008, 08:23:11 AM
I only watched the first half but MSJ looked very average at times in their win. They do have another 6'4" freak WR who made some great catches. What I have been told, they only returned 2 OL from last year (I thought it was more) and are starting at least 1 freshman on the OL. Their defense played solid, but gave up some big plays...more than what you would like to see in a half of football. This year's team is unknown to me. The last guys I played with graduated last year or at least finished playing FB last year :) Overall, they're a solid team...nothing dominant, but it was only game 1. They have plenty of time to tinker with everything and find the right fit.

Purcell might have a better QB situation than Defiance. At least our guy can run the ball and has some good speed. Damn shame he's never really had a 'QB' coach until this (Senior) year.

PTR :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2008, 08:26:59 AM
It sounds like Defiance needs to take their 4 best athletes and start running the winged T on offense if their QB situation is THAT bad. Ask Colerain...you don't need to throw the ball to win football games. The Triple works just fine (did I just say that?????).

On a side note...Dustin Carter, the wrestler from Hillsboro with no arms or legs is attending MSJ. I thought that was cool.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 07, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2008, 01:33:14 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 06, 2008, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 06, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
Oh yeah, 1-12 on 3rd down doesn't really help.

C'mon Has_Been and 70_...the glass is half full!

1 of 12,  3rd conversions in a first game doesn't automatically translate into an 0-10 season, does it?  I'd hate to think that the Jackets are still suffering hangover from Bluffton last November.  :-[  OTOH,  >:(
I'm not saying they will go 0-10 & I still have hope they can turn it around, but losing 35-10 to a team that went 0-10 last year hurts.  You should have heard the announcers on the radio.  It was like they won the championship.

Just yankin' your chain a bit, and for Musky (after the last several years), it probably felt like they'd won a championship.  :o

Appears that Taylor, et.al. are going to be earning every cent of their salaries this year to scrape the keel, plug the holes, and right the boat.  :-X
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 07, 2008, 12:50:36 PM
Hey everybody. It's been a long, busy spring and summer adding onto Clan Palmer. Oldest son married in May and Richard married August 8 up in Ohio. We all went up for the wedding. How can you guys ever complain about heat and humidity? It felt like October to us. Needless to say, I've been away from the board for awhile.

But .... some observations.

First, Rich and I listened to the game on the Muskingum station yesterday b/c DC's affiliate didn't carry it. Strictly bush league. What's up with that? Can't even get your own affiliate to do the season opener? Sad.

Second. DC's defensive tackle lineup is a week south of adequate this year. No big strong mooses on the roster to be seen. The Musky offense was running amok on them yesterday. Guys, if you can't stop plays consistently at the line of scrimmage, it ain't a good sign.

Third. Doesn't look like they have much in the receiving corps this year. Having said that, I know a Luke Dillon doesn't come along often but dang, when you have to start switching defensive guys over to wide out, something's wrong.

Fourth. The QB dilemma. Joey Stephens is more accurate than Hans Vetter was but he doesn't have a strong arm for making those necessary deep passes. The Karcher kid looks to me to be their best bet for now. He's tall and lanky. Could use a few more pounds but that's probably easy to remedy. Don't know much about his stats at wherever he played his freshman year or if he saw any pt there at all. But, his was impressive in high school. Played in a tough conference up in the Atlanta 'burbs comprised mostly of private schools with better than average programs for the most part. His last year of stats show 117 completions out of 190 attempts and two TDs in rushing on short yardage. He passed for nearly 1500 yards, if I'm not mistaken. If I were Coach Taylor, I think I'd focus on getting this kid beefed up and ready to be the regular signal caller. If his dad is a QB coach, the kid has probably been learning the basics from him and just needs spit and polish. I don't know who this third QB is but I wouldn't go the triple or double headed QB route. It didn't work for Spurrier and Taylor ain't Spurrier.

Fifth. Running game. Caralla is hot but if there's no passing game to keep the opponent honest, where does that get you? My guess that the trouble yesterday - not being there to see is a handicap - was a combination of poor pass protection and poor receiving.

Sixth. Someone speculated that the newspaper reporter made up that windy say nothing quote. I don't think so. I got to know Crescent News reporter Lynn Groll when Richard was playing there and he wouldn't do that. Besides, it's death to a reporter who gets caught doing it.

I'm disappointed that DC couldn't man up against a team that was 0-10 last year. But, on the bright side, when I look at the conference Muskingum plays in and see who their opponents are, it tells a little different story. They usually win their non-conference games although they didn't last year. But in conference, they're up against all the big OAC powerhouses. They managed to beat Ohio Northern a couple or three years back so they've got something going for them. Is it possible they just look bad because they're up against Capital and all the other badass teams?

Having said that, next week's game against Adrian scares me. Last time DC was at Adrian was Richard's senior year and that's the year they embarrassed the Bulldogs at the grand opening ceremony of their new sports complex. As the saying goes, there will be blood.

Adios, amigos. Sorry to be away so long but you know how it is. Howdy to one and all. Drop me a line. Adam, the photos were a hoot.

PS: I was so sick and tired of listening to Lee Corso repeat yesterday how Florida hasn't beaten Miami since 1985 that I would've driven to G-ville and kicked Tebow's butt had they not won yesterday. And then, after I snuck up on him and kicked his ass from behind, he probably would've turned around and picked me up and spiked me in the endzone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2008, 01:41:04 PM
I change my pick. The Bengals will not be 4-12....they will be 2-14 and will get the #1 pick next year and the trade of Chad "Ocho -I'm a dumb crazy, schitzo" for 2 #1 picks to Washington will look like a complete mistake. I don't even know if what I said made sense...but the Bengals are terrible. Wonder how long it's going to take for people to show up with bags on their heads and fire Marvin signs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
Kevin...hope you didn't contribute to Mike Brown's retirement fund by buying tickets this year.

That was the worst I've ever seen a Bengal's team play. I think some of those 3-13/2-14 teams from back in the 1990's were better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on September 07, 2008, 04:42:39 PM
FC_alum_84,

The FC D gave up some serious yards, 26 first downs has to be concerning, including 576 yards in total offense, 35 points...that is HUGE.  Unless they can get the D in shape, if they do make the playoffs, it will be a short run!  This isn't a slam at all, I have great respect for Coach Leonard and what he has done in a short time.  A win over an OAC team is solid but those are some staggering numbers.

Just my take.

Good luck to the Grizzlies the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2008, 05:01:22 PM
Nope.. I saw this year coming for the Bungles... and decided to wait and see...buying tix on a game by game basis only. 

Well, I didn't think it would be this bad already...but I thought it might be rough. 

They looked clueless out there on offense and defense..  Odom was playing 3 different postions and didn't have one mastered.  I recorded it on my direct tv... I played softball today at 1pm.. glad I didn't waste my day.

Watching the Browns now...is there anything worse than a Browns Fan?  This will be the only time I say during the season....Go Cowboys.  BTW, Touchdown TO.. Nice.  Shut up Dawg Pound
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2008, 05:14:13 PM
SaintsFAN:

I suppose I should post this to you over on your PAC board, however, since you frequently post here, thought I would just follow yours.  What happened to your TMC yesterday against John Carroll?  I was shocked.  Then again, my Hope didn't fare well either as they gave one away, although Illinois Wesleyan is no slouch team.  I am embarrassed to say that my alma mater has now lost 19 out of the last 22 home openers - incredable.  Let's hope both our teams improve next week.  BTW, I hope you are feeling better re: your medical issues.  I'm keeping you in prayer for that.  Talk to you later.

formerd3db

JacketsFAN:

Great to see you back on the board.  First, congratulations on both of your son's weddings.  I know what that is like as you recall our oldest daughter got married this summer also back in July.  Our other daughter gets married next July 4th as well (to Hope's ice hockey goalie no less!).  Second, I hope your summer was enjoyable aside from the weddings as well.   Got to run so I'll cut this short, but will correspond more next time.  Take care.

formerd3db

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2008, 08:41:58 PM
formerd3db,

We have great talent offensively...they got off to a slow start, fumbling on the first offensive play of the season to set up JCU's first TD.  I think that set the tone...

JCU returned 17 starters and looked very seasoned.  Good QB and WR play..  They played well... we ran into a buzz saw.  A glimpse of the future was revealed after JCU's first TD...when Thomas More marched 60+ yards in 10 plays to even the score.  We thought we were in for a great game at that point.  None-the-less, we have a week off and go to Waynesburg on the 20th and then return for Homecoming (to open the new stadium) against Westminster. 

If you saw Westminster's score in the first game....Coach Hallett's squad got after them Saturday...  scored on first 5 of 6 possessions.  Word out of Tiffin is the Student Princes have some great offensive talent.  I'll be heading to Tiffin on October 11th to see Hallett's HC squad host Dean Paul's Ohio Northern team. .

Thanks for the wishes.. prognosis is good again...they say.  You guys have to put up with me for a little while longer  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2008, 08:57:11 PM
Oct 11 huh...I may want to make that trip with you if I'm able.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2008, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2008, 01:41:04 PM
I change my pick. The Bengals will not be 4-12....they will be 2-14 and will get the #1 pick next year and the trade of Chad "Ocho -I'm a dumb crazy, schitzo" for 2 #1 picks to Washington will look like a complete mistake. I don't even know if what I said made sense...but the Bengals are terrible. Wonder how long it's going to take for people to show up with bags on their heads and fire Marvin signs?
No way Cinncy will get the #1 pick over Detroit this year.  But don't worry, Detroit will waste it on someone they don't need & Cinncy will still have their choice of who they want.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 08, 2008, 01:23:11 AM
Really?

My Lions will be okay.

Indy on the other hand... the hometown team...  oddest word in last weeks IndyStar crossword was oriel, or bay window.  Well, Al Michael's opens up yapping about the rollback roof and the bay window...  and, well you see where I'm going with this.

If you were in Indy before 84 you were most likely a Bengals or Bears fan.  Around 78 or so I had a Bengals sweatshirt...  By 1980 I had fullblown Steelers gear, the jacket, gloves and hat...  Then along came Matt Suhey.

What was that defense the Bears were running tonight?  8 downlinemen and 5 defensive backs?

First game in the Hoosier Dome... errrr RCA Dome was Bills versus Bears...  Well, Indy gets Polian and the Bears get a stomping ground?  First preseason game in Lucas Oil Stadium? Bills.  First Regular season game in Lucas Oil Stadium?  Bears.

How dissimilar is this to the Texans winning their franchise opener over the Cowboys?

signed,
Hurricane Dykstra
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2008, 06:43:15 AM
Had you watched the Bengals...you would agree with me. I know the Lions are bad, but They have a better defense and OL than Cincy does. Carson Palmer will not make it 16 games this year. I'm willing to say he'll see 12 before he gets another serious injury.

Instead of "do your job" Marvin's new saying should be "Lay down like sissies and get your QB killed."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2008, 08:21:03 AM
Quote from: MacLeod on September 08, 2008, 01:23:11 AM
If you were in Indy before 84 you were most likely a Bengals or Bears fan.  Around 78 or so I had a Bengals sweatshirt...  By 1980 I had fullblown Steelers gear, the jacket, gloves and hat...  Then along came Matt Suhey.

MacLeod,

I lived in Indy (Danville actually) 1982-1987.   You're right..because the Colts weren't there...most of my extended family were Bears fans.  I remember the "Super Bowl Shuffle" year... going to my Uncles house to watch the Bears pound someone.  I actually went to the first preseason game the Colts played.. My dad is still a Colts fan..


Sayer,

You are more than welcome.. I have room so far.... Justin Frisk is the only other confirmed as "in"..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 08, 2008, 08:53:30 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2008, 05:01:22 PM

Watching the Browns now...is there anything worse than a Browns Fan?

Some of us Browns fans are okay.

Back in the 60's the Browns were always the regional game on TV here in Louisvlle before the Bengals were in existence. When Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore I didn't have a favorite team in the NFL and I sure wasn't going to be a Ravens fan.

Some of the players I remember watching were Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Paul Warfield etc.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 08, 2008, 07:46:05 PM
formerd3db, congratulations on your daughter's wedding. Now we sit back and await those delightful grandchildren, eh?

Not hearing good things about DC's team this year. The one bright spot is Lewis Caralla but he can't do it all. As I guessed, the D-line is practically paper thin and got totally outgunned by the Muskies O-line. There's some talent on DC's O-line but they're going to have to get their helmets out of their rectal orifices and give their running back and QB some breathing room. Karcher looks to be an accurate passer but can he lob the ball out there? Enquiring minds wanna know.

This week at Adrian is gonna be ugly. The Bulldogs want some payback for the a$$whipping DC put on them at the inaugural game in their new house two years back and, from what I'm hearing, they are also still pretty po'd about some preseason shenanigans from last year.

I'm thinking DC could see a long hard road this year and, if Saturday is any indication, I think 4th place is being generous.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2008, 09:58:07 PM
KyGrizz,

after 31 years on this planet, I can say the jury is still out on that..  you're a Franklin Fan first to me... and not a douchy one.   I'm going to ignore your previous confession and chalk it up to you being excited they'll win more than the usual 5 contests this season.  ;D

Then again we are on a board with TWO guys claiming the Lions of all people..  did you hear the one about Tatum Bell?  They KNOW he had help in taking Rudi's Gucci Bags... because they werent dropped on the way to their destination..

Jacketsfan,

If the QB is lobbing the ball, that won't be kosher for this season.  Do they really only have 3 QB's on the roster?  Reminds me of the 1997 and 1998 seasons when TMC's numbers were WAY down.. and we only had two QB's plus an emergency guy (starting TE who played QB in High School)...ah memories.  Practices were always easy on us two...we were all they had.. except in 1998 when we both missed games because of seperated throwing shoulders.  His was a grade 3 and mine was a grade 2 subluxation. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
I have a game on Saturday at 2pm in Dayton. We then have a grill out with the other team afterwards...meaning I'm not going to get home until approx. 8pm when OSU-USC kick off. I'm not a happy camper right now  >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2008, 08:37:06 AM
You need to "big-time it" this weekend and quit on the team...and then on Sunday start groveling like a btch.  THATS the only way you are going to see the most meaningful part of the game Saturday... the first 5 minutes.  After that its over. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2008, 08:27:48 PM
I think OSU will keep it interesting for a half but ultimately lose 27-10.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2008, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2008, 09:58:07 PM


Jacketsfan,

If the QB is lobbing the ball, that won't be kosher for this season.  Do they really only have 3 QB's on the roster?  Reminds me of the 1997 and 1998 seasons when TMC's numbers were WAY down.. and we only had two QB's plus an emergency guy (starting TE who played QB in High School)...ah memories.  


Closer examination of the roster (okay, the no./b portion) lists three Michigander freshmen QBs for a total of six.  RT must have worked overtime after word of Vetter's departure trickled down the Tiffin, into the Maumee.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
Where is everyone?  You guys already sound like its the 2nd week of the playoffs...and all of our teams are done.


BTW,  moment of silence for what happened 7 years ago today.  I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were that day. 

If you get a moment today...google "Rick Rescorla"..  the guy saved MANY lives that day, including my brother.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2008, 04:06:28 PM
Good news for Hanover's defense and maybe even their whole team if the stars align correctly for them:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/09/11/hellers-record-pursuit-slowed/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 11, 2008, 08:50:05 PM
Not much to discuss on the FC front.  Hopefully the Griz will find a way to not give up 576 yards to Butler this weekend.  For whatever reason we could not defend against pass last week.  We will see what happens this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 09:16:24 PM
Any Ravens fans up for offering an Anderson preview? Strengths/weaknesses heading into this week's game...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 11, 2008, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 09:16:24 PM
Any Ravens fans up for offering an Anderson preview? Strengths/weaknesses heading into this week's game...

Any Ravens fans... period?  Or Beavers?  Spartans??  Panthers???  Fighting Engineers????????

Bueller ... Bueller ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 12, 2008, 01:19:21 AM
I'm going to throw out a wild prediction.  DC will come out of no where this week & turn things around from last week & become a force to be reckoned with!  Also, Muskingum will actually turn out to be a contender for the number 2 or 3 spot for the OAC.  And for all of you who are wondering what I am smoking, just pure DC commitment!  Go Jackets. 

By the way, if my predictions turn out to be way off (which they won't ;D), I guess that wasn't incense that I was smelling coming out of my neighbors house.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 12, 2008, 07:15:25 AM
I don't remember the last time someone posted on here from Manchester or Bluffton. To be honest, I don't ever remember anyone from those schools on here. Hanover dominated the board until their program took a nose dive. Us few MSJ guys who still post were here for the good and the bad....but that's only because we had plenty of practice with that due to the Cincinnati Bungals. Counting 2004, Rod Huber is 38-7 from 2004-present. From 2000-2003, Rockin Rod was 13-27. HOW BOUT DAT!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 12, 2008, 08:26:45 AM
Plenty of Beaver fans here, as much as I can tell.  If you aren't a fan of the Beaver...let me know.  I'm probably going to ignore you from now on.

Adam,

Football is cyclical.  Well it has been for everyone else.  MSJ joined the party, as you said, in 2004.  Now if they could just learn to play in muddy conditions.  Usually I'd be alarmed that MSJ played Fred and Wilma so close...but I'm so used to it, that I think its business as usual at MSJ.

has_been,

I've never heard of that variety of Hippie Lettuce.  If I go to my "guy"... will he know if I say I need "pure DC commitment"?  If you live in Encino, you're right about the neighbors.  I'd say 3 out of 4 hit the lefties on a regular basis.

FC47c,

I think Franklin will be ok this week.  Well, I hope so.  If not, its time to start grooming Rupp's replacement. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 12, 2008, 09:48:15 PM
I'm hoping we have muddy conditions tomorrow. CJ has a great QB and throw the ball about 80% of the time. Nothing like playing 5-wide the whole game on Defense. Hopefully it will be a monsoon and they will have to get out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 13, 2008, 08:34:43 AM
Sayer Bluffton Fans used to dominate on this board like a bunch of a$$holes back the last time they made a run at the ring back in 2000 and 2001.  then it was their student section who would get on here with some great trash talk but viscious.  so bad pat blocked IP address from bluffton for a couple weeks on an official suspension from postin.

Adrian is good if vegas had a spread it would be 42 pts and i would take adrian to cover based on how DC played last week.  Has_been if you think otherways then that was not hippie lettuce it wass hippie fungus you were gnawing on.

someone better step up for OSU tonight, no Beanie Wells.  best chance for OSU is to PTR and keep the "dirty" sanchez off the field
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 13, 2008, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 13, 2008, 08:34:43 AM
Has_been if you think otherways then that was not hippie lettuce it wass hippie fungus you were gnawing on.
If that's what keeps me faithful to my team then I'll have to keep gnawing b/c it's going to be a very long season.  Well, I have been a Lions fan for 29 years, so I've been on the hippie fungus for sometime now. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 13, 2008, 02:35:59 PM
Franklin down at halftime against Butler 14 - 7.

Rupp is 17 for 31 with 1TD. They were only able to rush for 36 yards this half.

Franklins defense has given up 250 total yds at the half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 13, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
Franklin scores on a 16yd run to tie the score at 14 -14 with 12:47 to play in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 13, 2008, 03:03:35 PM
Franklin 21 - 14 with 12.26 to play in 3rd.

Franklin intercepts pass and chad Rupp throws a TD for 14yds.

Any other HCAC updates out there. I saw where Depauw was beating Anderson 31 - 10 at the half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 03:18:06 PM
DePauw 38, Anderson 10
Manchester 33, Earlham 7
Waynesburg 21, Hanover 13
Rose Hulman 7, North Park 7

The Manchester score surprises me - thought Earlham would be an even matchup.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 03:33:28 PM
Hanover making a game of it, Waynesburg 28-26 in 4th.

Anderson getting smoked 45-10 in 4th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 13, 2008, 03:55:31 PM
Franklin up 31 - 21 with 4:46 left to play.

Chad Rup is 29 for 47 with 394 yds and 3 TD's

Have to leave for a wedding,
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 04:15:38 PM
Finals

Manchester 40, Earlham 7
Waynesburg 34, Hanover 32
DePauw 52, Anderson 17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on September 13, 2008, 04:32:45 PM
Can anyone tell me why the Lakeland College website says that the game was a tie 0-0?  Even there record is now 0-1-1.  I can't find any press release.  Pat do you know anything?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on September 13, 2008, 05:17:57 PM
MSJ website is saying 7-0 in third quarter MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 13, 2008, 06:04:59 PM
Franklin wins 31-28  FC absorbed some questionable calls and some questionable game management.  Some sloppy play as well.  A win is a win on the road 2-0 the train rolls on to Trine in two weeks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2008, 09:55:36 PM
When the game is on the line, Ohio State folds like a chair holding up a 500-lb man.

It's like everyone gets caught up in the emotion of the game and they forget their technique, and reads. Not to mention Todd Boeckmann couldn't hold Claussen's jock strap. He will not be drafted by an NFL team and considering the situation he's in, pretty much tells you he's not very good. Overall I think Tressel had a great game plan, but poor execution when the game matters has been the key...which is what Ohio State will be known for after tonight.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAF78 on September 14, 2008, 12:14:59 AM
Wabash College congrats to Franklin on beating Butler. Great job Grizzlies. Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 14, 2008, 12:24:59 AM
73 rushing yards for DC & 75 yards last week!  At least this is a good thing for Franklin so they'll be able bring down their opponent's average offense per game ;). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 14, 2008, 09:39:03 AM
Ah, it's okay Has_Been - just book some time in a New Mexico sweat lodge during fall break and relax with some botanical relief.  ;)

Just wonder when the womens' volleyball and softball teams will join the gridiron contingent and rest of the college in seeking a least common denominator.  Statistical outliers are so passe.  Will be interesting to observe if RT's impersonation of Gene Hackman will yield results or sink into the Black Swamp, soils of Bernie Mikula's corn patch.   ;D ;D

Teardowns and rebuilds aren't always the best answers...

Signed "Fannie Mae" (class of '74) and "Freddie Mac" (class of '75)  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 14, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
" ... Guns and tanks and riot gas, can't stop you from smoking grass ... "

Has-Been, I don't think any amount of Mexican dream blossoms can induce such euphoria as to think there will be a DC comeback this year.

On the bright side, good defensive effort by DC. Line was solid yesterday and the linebackers and backs were kicking a$$ and taking names. They kept Adrian from  running up the score on D. Trashed them in the red zone several times when it looked like a done deal. The Supan kid looks like he has the potential to be a serious interceptor threat. He was everywhere yesterday.

Still no juice on the O-line. They need to start smashing some mouths and kicking some tails upfield instead of being in a defensive mode all the time.

Gotta have some offense to go along with that D. Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 16, 2008, 06:47:05 AM
It looks like the Hanover-Butler game has been cancelled.  Send your thoughts to the residents of Hanover:

http://www.butler.edu/absolutenm/templates/?a=818&z=22


Butler Football Game With Hanover Cancelled
The Butler-Hanover football game scheduled for Saturday, Sept. 20, at the Butler Bowl has been cancelled due to significant storm damage that has impacted the Hanover community. The game will not be rescheduled this season.

Butler Director of Athletics Barry Collier spoke with Hanover Athletic Director Lynn Hall on Monday (Sept. 15) morning regarding the situation at the southeastern Indiana college and this weekend's football game.

"The Hanover area was hit by heavy storms that moved through Indiana on Sunday (Sept. 14), and Hanover College is currently without power and water," said Collier.

"Classes and extracurricular activities at Hanover have been cancelled, while they work to restore power and water, and the college will be closed until Sunday (Sept. 21). Right now, our thoughts are with Hanover, and we've offered to assist in any way that we can."

Butler season ticket holders may exchange their Hanover tickets for an equivalent number of tickets to any of the Bulldogs' remaining home contests, or seek a refund. Fans holding season parking passes may seek a prorated refund for the Hanover game. For further ticket exchange/refund information, contact Matt Harris at the Butler Ticket Office at (317) 940-9390.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2008, 09:02:57 AM
i got lucky and got my power bac at 730am on Monday.  my Pops is one of the lead engineers for Dayton Power and LIght and he said it is a mess and he has seen nothing like this in 40+yrs working there.  what makes it worse is all of the contract crews they use to fix down power lines had already left to Texas to work on the hurricane so they dont have near the folks they would have in the winter when an ice storm would roll through.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2008, 10:57:55 AM
I was one of the lucky few to not lose power at all.   But I have to deal with the idiots in Clermont County that don't know proper etiquette at the stoplights in these situations... 

If I ever get ballsy enough, I might get a new Beamer by pulling out in front of one of these 'necks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 16, 2008, 01:47:36 PM
Our power at home went out Sunday around 2:30pm and came back on Monday at 3:00pm and then went back off at 9:pm Monday night.

Fortunately I kept the generator after the power came back on and hook it back up to the refrigerator and TV. We have a gas stove so cooking is not a problem.

This is the worst damage I have seen down here in Louisville and that is including when the tornado came through here back in 1973. They are saying it will be 10 - 14 days before LG&E restores all power to the customers. Just like with Dayton Power & Light, LG&E had sent some of their conttractors down to Texas also. They are supposed to be back today which will bring them back to about 1100 workers trying to restore the power. At this time there is still around 160,000 customers without power.

Hopefully our power comes back soon, I am supposed to be flying to Orlando on Thursday for a softball tournament.

Hey SaintsFan, have you ever played against either Blue Collar or Renegades in softball up around your way?

Better get off the internet here at work and do something constructive.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 16, 2008, 02:22:00 PM
Sorry to hear about the power problems fellas.  Hope everything is back to normal as soon as possible for you all.

In regards to the Hanover game, that really stinks for both squads.  That most likely took away Butler's final win for the season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 16, 2008, 03:06:00 PM
Shouldn't you be in class, Has_Been?   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 16, 2008, 03:43:22 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 16, 2008, 03:06:00 PM
Shouldn't you be in class, Has_Been?   ;D ;D ;D
Nope, my new position as PE teacher & Dean of a total of 70+ students gives me a little bit more free time yuck it up w/ you HCAC faithful. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2008, 04:00:22 PM
grizz,

I've played against both.  I think they both won NIT's this year.  I've got some friends still on both teams.  The Renegades are actually a better team than Blue Collar is this year. 

I forgot that its the week of Worlds in Orlando, FL .  My roommate is leaving for Orlando tomorrow morning.  Thankfully, I'm retired from competitive softball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 17, 2008, 08:09:17 AM
Still no power at the house, but I have seen crews finally working in the area. Street three blocks down had their power restored last night.

SaintsFan, I agree with Renegades being better than Blue Collar. We lost to Blue Collar in the State in extra innings, their catcher really likes to run his mouth. We finished fifth in the Nationals this year. This will probably be my last world I go to, will start playing in more of the 50 and voer tounaments next year if I can still get around. Also, thanks for letting me beat someone in the Pickems last week. I can see why I never can hit a football card.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2008, 08:23:06 AM
Yep...thats Butler, thats part of his game... all he does is run his mouth. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 17, 2008, 12:28:52 PM
Hello? Have I done something to piss you guys off? Is it my deodorant or mouth wash?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 17, 2008, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 17, 2008, 12:28:52 PM
Hello? Have I done something to piss you guys off? Is it my deodorant or mouth wash?
What's happing JacketsFan?  I'm confused by the post???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 17, 2008, 12:45:27 PM
What HasBeen you can smell it...no deodorant or mouthwash
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 17, 2008, 12:28:52 PM
Hello? Have I done something to piss you guys off? Is it my deodorant or mouth wash?

Nah, I'm just done with my own kicking of the Defiance College 2008 carcass.  I kind of feel bad saying their QB has a rag arm and lobs the ball. 

Nothing against you...but I think Osama Obama has a better shot in 49 days than DC does against MSJ, FC, RHIT and maybe even Manchester United <did anyone see their score over (The Duke of) Earlham??>

As Chris Tucker said, I don't whether to smile at ya, or kick a field goal at ya (DC). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 17, 2008, 02:44:14 PM
If DC's offense can get a WR to step up & be the #1 target instead of Caralla or have the qb throw more at the WR's instead of Caralla it could help spread the offense out a bit.  Also, going 1 for 24 on third downs needs to improve drastically. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 17, 2008, 04:18:02 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 17, 2008, 12:28:52 PM
Hello? Have I done something to piss you guys off? Is it my deodorant or mouth wash?

Naw, just olfactory reaction to pending, (grand)papa palmer.  :D  Figured you were still hot-tubbin' - heh, heh, heh.  ;)  PM a'comin' regarding vinyl.

"Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down..."

Signed,

Nanook
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 18, 2008, 10:23:46 AM
HCAC getting good press on ESPN.  last week when Mike and Mike in the morning on ESPN2 and Radio was making fun of the fact they were calling the USC OSU game Clash in the Coliseum or something stupid like that they started looking for other good games to Name and they mentioned Franklin at Butler.  now they have made it a weekly event and this week the game of the week that viewers get to name is

Trine at Defiance!!

of course they talked alot about DC getting spanked by Adrian last week so they could do the "Yo Adrian"

i was getting calls and email from across the country from folks to tune into it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 18, 2008, 12:09:24 PM
Do you have a link for the place to name it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 18, 2008, 01:05:58 PM
nope they were doing emails live during the show
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2008, 09:33:55 PM
The best thing for Ohio State is to have a few down years (9-3/8-4) and get away from the big time until some fresh faces come in. It seemed like once that TD was called back and USC scored, it was "Here we go again" and they tucked their tails between their legs.

MSJ has given up an HCAC-best 7 points in 2 games and seem to have another solid defense to build upon. If they can keep it up, that FC game will be a battle.

So far at Purcell, we've given up the third fewest points in the GCL and have been winning or tied at halftime of everygame we've played...just need to learn to take that next step and put everything together. I can't understand half of what Lou Holtz says but I do believe he hit the nail on the head when he said winning is a process. Right now we need to learn to take that next step cause we could easily be 4-0 right now :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
I would imagine they probably had some dammage up in DC, Bluffton, Manchester over the weekend. It's flat and there are no trees to stop those 75 mile an hour winds. I was also fortunate as I didn't lose power at all. Duke Enegery said that this was the worst power outage ever as 90% of the Cincinnati area was powerless.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2008, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2008, 09:33:55 PM
The best thing for Ohio State is to have a few down years (9-3/8-4) and get away from the big time until some fresh faces come in. It seemed like once that TD was called back and USC scored, it was "Here we go again" and they tucked their tails between their legs.

haha.... so I can see it now.  "Ohio State isn't actually struggling, this is part of the plan!"

Maybe not you, Adam....actually its the people that don't know anything about football that will say that if they read what you wrote!

Also...IMHO, jury is still out on the MSJ Defense...I mean seriously..  it was Wilmington and in the rain in Wisconsin.  We'll find out soon enough though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2008, 08:42:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
I would imagine they probably had some dammage up in DC, Bluffton, Manchester over the weekend. It's flat and there are no trees to stop those 75 mile an hour winds. I was also fortunate as I didn't lose power at all. Duke Enegery said that this was the worst power outage ever as 90% of the Cincinnati area was powerless.

I'm used to being in the top 10%...how does it feel for you, Sayer??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2008, 09:01:43 AM
Trine Thunder vs. Defiance Yellow Jackets has been officially named by Mike and Mike in the Morning

The Clash of Mother Natures Wrath
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 19, 2008, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2008, 09:01:43 AM
Trine Thunder vs. Defiance Yellow Jackets has been officially named by Mike and Mike in the Morning

The Clash of Mother Natures Wrath
I think it's great that DIII is getting more & more notice year after year.  I feel like the guys playing for DII & DIII schools are the true student athletes.  I feel lucky that I was able to play football while receiving a degree that I could use in the real world.  Most of DI BCS schools should just give up & just admit that their players are there to play football not get an education.

In regards to defense, how about Hanover giving up 80 & Anderson 79 in two games.  I also agree w/ SaintsFan (dang it ;)) that MSJ really hasn't played teams known for been dominant so it is to early to tell if their D is as strong as usual.  With that said, if their D is as good as the past I think Franklin will be having some trouble making it two in a row. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2008, 01:00:16 PM
It'd be nice if it was real notice, rather than condescending notice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 19, 2008, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2008, 11:43:25 AM
I feel like the guys playing for DII & DIII schools are the true student athletes.  I feel lucky that I was able to play football while receiving a degree that I could use in the real world.  Most of DI BCS schools should just give up & just admit that their players are there to play football not get an education.

Flipping around some games last night, I had the option of watching West Virginia - Colorado or Michigan Tech - Northern Michigan.  After settling on the D-II game, I told my wife I'd rather watch the kids who actually care about their education rather than a bunch of special admits, even if the athleticism isn't the same.  D-1 FBS is simply a high-profile minor league for the NFL, where the true student-athletes are a definitive minority.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2008, 11:43:25 AM
I feel lucky that I was able to play football while receiving a degree that I could use in the real world. 

Yeah...you and DC70 are two of the lucky ones.  It was pretty unusual to hear from you guys on here... being DC grads and actually appearing to have real jobs following graduation.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on September 19, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
There are a few of us out here who are not only proud to be DC grads but even have a good use for our degree!  I don't post nearly as much Has been or 70, but I am out here!

You guys got the wind and lost electric, but we got the rain up here.  We recieved over 10 inches, yes i said 10 inches, of rain last weekend.  Our lake, about 225 acres, is up about two feet and everything around here has been flooded for a few days.  Luckily for me, our camp and my home is on top of a hill.

When is the next BIG game in the region, I need to get the hell out of MIchigan and would like to see a great DIII game so if there is a gathering taking place I would love to try to make it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 19, 2008, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2008, 11:43:25 AM
I feel lucky that I was able to play football while receiving a degree that I could use in the real world. 

Yeah...you and DC70 are two of the lucky ones.  It was pretty unusual to hear from you guys on here... being DC grads and actually appearing to have real jobs following graduation.   ;D
beleve it or not u can receve a grate edacation at defiense butt not good as that skool in kentucke! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2008, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: Jacket18 on September 19, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
When is the next BIG game in the region, I need to get the hell out of MIchigan and would like to see a great DIII game so if there is a gathering taking place I would love to try to make it.

Well obviously nothing Michigan-related... maybe the MSJ/Franklin game??  I would also stay away from anything Defiance this year also. 

You could go to a Ohio Northern home game..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 19, 2008, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: Jacket18 on September 19, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
There are a few of us out here who are not only proud to be DC grads but even have a good use for our degree!  I don't post nearly as much Has been or 70, but I am out here!

You guys got the wind...

Leave it to someone from Cincitucky to be a critical conscience of higher education.   ;D  I won't admit to pride nor prejudice involving worth of a BA and the BS in this day and age.  Well done, 18.  PM sent...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 20, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
Wow... listening to 105.7 the Bull's halftime report is painful!!!!  DC 0-Trine 14!

Can someone tell me why Pryor is playing over Boeckman?  Did Boeckman get injured or did Terressel give into pressure to play Pryor? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 20, 2008, 02:59:46 PM
DC (Supan) interception for a TD to start the 2nd half.  If the offense won't do it I guess it will be up to the defense. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 20, 2008, 04:08:20 PM
SaintsFan is from Hamiltucky...They have a smaller gene pool up there than Cincatucky.


BRING ON THE RAMS!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 20, 2008, 06:30:21 PM
Sayer,

I prefer "Hamilbama", if you will.  You guys don't want any part of the Rams.  Good luck stopping the QB, Toerner.   ;D  What say you?

Also...big win in the PAC for Thomas More today at Waynesburg, 34-26.  Of course, there's not a press release for either school at 6:30pm for me to read about it. 

Notre Dame just pissed away their probable final chance with the missed FG.  They look alot better this year and have some really good young talent.  I think they'll win 8 games this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 20, 2008, 07:25:18 PM
Oh, God! I just got back from out of town and saw the DC/Trine score. WTF?

We probably would've won if they hadn't changed Tri-State to Trine. You know, like, "We be Trine harder?" Or something like that.

Pat Coleman: Ditto, dude. Maybe we should ask Mike and Mike if they're a gay couple.

Sorry about my paranoid sounding question last week. It didn't come out like I intended. Must be the menhaden oil fumes I breathed all weekend while making a chum slick.

Bob: "Kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather. Shiny leather in the dark. Tongue of thongs, the belt that does await you. Strike, dear mistress and cure his heart."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 20, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
jacketsfan,

at least DC found a new way to pad the scoreboard.... interception return. 

Thats a positive at least, to take away from this.  Defiance was tough last year..  I saw them at MSJ, hard to believe they've fallen like this in one calendar year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 20, 2008, 07:38:54 PM
SaintsFAN, it's embarrassing. And my heart really goes out to the guys who came so close to glory two years in a row only to have it literally thrown away. Very big pun intended. I don't know when or how the bleeding will stop.

As for the DIII school student athlete thing, I couldn't agree more with the comments made thus far. Richard played four full years of football in a row, graduated in four years with a damn good degree in business management and now has a job with one of the best big companies in America: Publix.

Personally, I wish they'd just go ahead and start paying the players at D1 schools a salary. They're all semi-professional anyway. Who's fooling whom?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 20, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
Has Been Pryor is playing over Boeckman becuase he is better suited with this team and is the future.  what i mean by better suited is the line is swiss cheese and Boeckman asspuckers up tighter than a virgin at the Alpha House when he gets pressure.  Pryor can run and needs to learn the offense before Penn State and Wisconsin roll through so he needs the reps.

who will win first DC or the Bengals.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on September 21, 2008, 12:12:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2008, 09:01:43 AM
Trine Thunder vs. Defiance Yellow Jackets has been officially named by Mike and Mike in the Morning

The Clash of Mother Natures Wrath

Final score from "The Clash" mentioned at the end of SportsCenter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 21, 2008, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 21, 2008, 12:12:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2008, 09:01:43 AM
Trine Thunder vs. Defiance Yellow Jackets has been officially named by Mike and Mike in the Morning

The Clash of Mother Natures Wrath

Final score from "The Clash" mentioned at the end of SportsCenter.

Tomorrow's lead-in for the talking heads on ESPN...

THUNDER CLAPS - JACKETS' HIVE WASHED AWAY

One, lone worker bee inflicts a sting before floodgates open...  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 21, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 20, 2008, 07:25:18 PM

Sorry about my paranoid sounding question last week. It didn't come out like I intended. Must be the menhaden oil fumes I breathed all weekend while making a chum slick.

Bob: "Kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather. Shiny leather in the dark. Tongue of thongs, the belt that does await you. Strike, dear mistress and cure his heart."


Looks as if you've created a natural alternative to hot-tubbing success for the coronary-afflicted crowd unable to depend on medicinal enhancement.  ;D  A venus in furs could trigger all tomorrow's parties.  Peel Slowly, Nico.  Good one, Joe, but more of a Stooges fanatic when punkin'.

"Don't tell this town ain't got no heart - You just gotta poke around"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 21, 2008, 09:40:51 PM
Franklin up to #14 in the latest Top 25, with MSJ in the others receiving votes (3).  Next game vs. Trine should be interesting - so far Trine hasn't had any trouble with other HCAC foes.  Franklin will be a different story, but it won't be a walk in the park, especially on the road.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 22, 2008, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 21, 2008, 09:40:51 PM
Franklin up to #14 in the latest Top 25, with MSJ in the others receiving votes (3).  Next game vs. Trine should be interesting - so far Trine hasn't had any trouble with other HCAC foes.  Franklin will be a different story, but it won't be a walk in the park, especially on the road.
The Franklin/Trine game does look interesting on paper, but Trine really hasn't played a team to Franklin's caliber.  Trine has done a good job on defense thus far, but I don't see the same happening this Saturday.  Franklin's D will have to step-up or it could be a close one. 
It is great to see Franklin climbing the polls & MSJ getting some recognition.  Hopefully neither slip till Oct. 25 where it could be two top 25 teams battling it out for the the playoff berth. 
Crazy to see Wabash get leap frogged after a dominant victory.  I don't know why Salisbury & Wheaton jumped over them in the polls. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2008, 03:11:55 PM
East coast bias! (at least w/r/t Salisbury)  ;)  Can we blame ESPN for this? 

On the NCAC board, wally noted that even though we dropped a spot, we actually received more votes, so go figure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 22, 2008, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 22, 2008, 03:11:55 PM
East coast bias! (at least w/r/t Salisbury)  ;)  Can we blame ESPN for this? 

Careful, CPA - we don't want to lose our HCAC bookie to double-secret probation  ;D

I also have to wonder how much relative conference strength, regarding Wheaton and the CCIW and the Minnesotans plays into opinion, even though Bethel has buggered their first two contests.  Honestly, Denison and UC don't carry the weight as when coached by Hayes and Stagg.  It will be interesting to see results on Saturday with DelVal and the Seagulls.

And 'Bash still lacks a kicking artist.  ;)  WAF and DePauw Swallows
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2008, 09:15:23 PM
i like Wabash, I think that QB could play for any of our teams except for Franklin... but I think the voters probably saw it not as a strike AGAINST Wabash, but that Wheaton and Salisbury impressed THAT MUCH this past weekend. 

Even though its nice to get some kudos from Pat Coleman... its ok in this instance.  I believe Wabash will get their due in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2008, 04:39:04 PM
bump. 

Sayer, after you left the dog didn't come back in for twenty minutes.  I finally caught her and carried her back in. 

I got that catalouge that I told you I'd grab for you. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 24, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
So with Trine thrashing both Defiance and Manchester the question remains  Is Trine that much improved since last year or are the Spartans and Yellow Jackets just that bad?  I am thinking the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I don't see FC losing to Trine but something tells me that the Griz may be in for a battle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 26, 2008, 01:06:10 AM
Wow!!! USC loses to OSU(the ones not named after a hairless nut)!  Does this show the true strength to the Big Ten?  Looks like it might be another wild year in DI BCS.  Hopefully DIII will be able to mix it up & Mount Union or UWW will have a crazy loss (yeah right).  Anyways, I thought for sure USC was going to go undefeated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 26, 2008, 08:22:05 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 26, 2008, 01:06:10 AM
Wow!!! USC loses to OSU(the ones not named after a hairless nut)! ... Anyways, I thought for sure USC was going to go undefeated.

The stakes heightened (and barking decibels as well) for this weekend's matchups in Dixie.  Insufferable fans of the SEC - and obvious case of prophylactic failure by the Trojans when facing feisty Beavers.   :D

Angola, this weekend not withstanding, how many other DC alums will "sign up" for art exhibit attendance instead of the Homecoming Game on the 4th?   ;D  This household already has a couple of 80-something, blue hairs composin' Grizzled epitaphs for the bees (FC '43, and '48).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 26, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
Adding insult to injury, DC plays Franklin for their homecoming.  I'm doing my best to stay positive, but when I talk to someone who was at last weeks game & tells me the qb has trouble throwing a deep ball it doesn't help. 
I think Taylor should put his best athlete behind center for the rest of the season & have him either whip the ball down field or run everytime.  Even w/ Vetter doing that DC was able to be competitive. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2008, 12:25:52 AM
Kevin...I've never been more embarrassed in my life and when another coach tells me not to worry about a mistake and to forget it...that tells me that they arn't serious about winning. I think I may just get that Master's ASAP and find a place that wants to move on from their past...which happens to be 22 years ago. Or at least find a place that cares about the small things and winning

Purcell is capable of winning...even playing against bigger schools every week, but there is a protocol, in my mind, that they need to follow and it starts with changing the mindset. Maybe I'm just frustrated, but when you keep playing kids who always forget their assignment, who don't play hard when the ball isn't comming to them...you're reinforcing the notion that mediocrity is OK.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
Sayer,

I'll be honest... I left halfway through the 3rd quarter.  The highlight of the game for me was talking to my old coach, Terry Malone.  He still looks the same as when I last played for him 14 years ago.  He's definitely in the top 3 of all High School coaches ever, in Ohio... along with Bron Bracevich (Roger Bacon) and Pat Mancusso (Princeton). 

That TB you guys have is good when he wants to play.. he got LIT UP towards the end of the 1st half...on that great hit.  I think that affected him from that point forward.  I'm not sure how much progress you guys have seen...since it was my first game..  I saw a few kids playing hard... but as you said, lots of mistakes.  Do your time, as I said and get on to a different program.  Keep doing your best while you're there. 

Badin's QB looked pretty good.. he puts some long throws right on the money (including into the wind).  They are projecting the Rams to be playoff bound, so maybe this loss isn't as bad as it seems now. 

I'm late for Homecoming at Thomas More.. we got after it last night immediately following the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 27, 2008, 04:24:57 PM
       Trine 30
#14 Franklin 27

That should quiet the gloating, blue-haired relatives for at least 24 hours.
Don't think I'd relish being a Yellow Jacket next week... a week of Leonard practice, and no sane Griz will desire another, long bus ride down I-69 on consecutive weeks.  ::)

Cue One More Saturday Night, Mr. Palmer.

signed,

Dr. Donald Mallard
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 27, 2008, 08:19:05 PM
Should be an interesting week of practice at Franklin next week.

Just wandering if this was the case of reading to many press clippings or if Trine is really that much better this year.

At least the loss came before conference play and gives them time to rebound. I was very surprised to see that Franklin only scored 7 points in the second half.

I have not seen Franklin play yet this year but plan on being there for their homecoming game in two weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2008, 08:34:34 PM
Well the good news is Franklin plays Defiance next week...so they can get this taste out of their mouths quickly. 

I'd be interested in hearing about the 7 point 2nd half... maybe MSJ's defense (if they hold up against better competition - Franklin) will win the HCAC this year.

I was very surprised to hear this score.


Meanwhile, the Thomas More team speed is very good.  They came out of a 10-10 tie at halftime and put the game away quickly in the 3rd quarter.. 31-10 final at Homecoming in Bank of Kentucky Stadium.

Thomas More held the leading rusher in the PAC (93 yard avg coming in) to 28 yards..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 27, 2008, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2008, 08:34:34 PM


I'd be interested in hearing about the 7 point 2nd half... maybe MSJ's defense (if they hold up against better competition - Franklin) will win the HCAC this year.


Not if they execute the way they did this evening against RHIT - geez, Man United is suddenly looking a little better  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 27, 2008, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on September 27, 2008, 08:19:05 PM
Just wandering if this was the case of reading to many press clippings or if Trine is really that much better this year.

I think Trine is that much better - don't be surprised if Trine represents the MIAA in the playoffs this year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 27, 2008, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2008, 08:34:34 PM
I'd be interested in hearing about the 7 point 2nd half... maybe MSJ's defense (if they hold up against better competition - Franklin) will win the HCAC this year.

Rose-Hulman 27
Mount St. Joseph 21

Then again...

I'd say the HCAC is Franklin's to lose at this point.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 27, 2008, 10:46:08 PM
Bluffton 23
Kalamazoo 15

Good week to root for Beavers! (but aren't they all)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2008, 11:18:40 PM
I wasn't there, but I'm hoping this was an isolated case of being unfocused. That's only MSJ's 2nd HCAC loss since 2004. I think they will be alright.

Notre Dame wins pretty big against a decent Purdue team.

Michigan, down 19-0 at half, comes back to win 27-25 against Wisconsin

Florida loses in the Swamp to Ole Miss.

It's setting up to be another crazy year. All of a suddent Ohio State may be back in the picture....though after watching Penn State, I think they may be the cream of the crop in the Big Ten, despite having almost 10 players suspended.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2008, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2008, 11:18:40 PM
I wasn't there, but I'm hoping this was an isolated case of being unfocused. That's only MSJ's 2nd HCAC loss since 2004. I think they will be alright.

Notre Dame wins pretty big against a decent Purdue team.

Michigan, down 19-0 at half, comes back to win 27-25 against Wisconsin

Florida loses in the Swamp to Ole Miss.

It's setting up to be another crazy year. All of a suddent Ohio State may be back in the picture....though after watching Penn State, I think they may be the cream of the crop in the Big Ten, despite having almost 10 players suspended.

Quite possibly the best game I almost missed out of disgust! ;D

With 4 minutes left in the 1st half (down 16-0), I left in disgust to go grocery shopping.  [1st half: 21 total yards, 1 1st down, 5 TOs >:(]  When they went 3-and-out on the first two possesions of the second half, I nearly turned it off.  Then, WOW!  [And they STILL nearly blew it - if Beckem hadn't lined up wrong on Wiscy's successful 2-point conversion, drawing a flag and then missing the replay, I just know the Wolves would have lost in OT.]

If those young-uns keep improving at their current pace, UM may be a very dangerous team yet! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 28, 2008, 12:26:01 AM
Crazy day in college football from DI BCS to DIII.  Maybe RHIT will be the team that represents the HCAC this year in the playoffs.  If Franklin's defense continues to play the way they're playing then RHIT's offense will do some damage on them.  Franklin is fortunate to get to play DC next week to get themselves back to winning ways, but they will need to put some things (defense & run game) together to run the table. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 28, 2008, 03:21:18 AM
Saints: A list of top Ohio HS coaches might include Paul Brown, Chuck Mather, Leo Strang, Herb Eisele, Augie Bossu and Gerry Faust.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 28, 2008, 08:15:33 AM
I was at the Trine/FC game.  No sugar coating here.  Franklin committed five turnovers and had three third and double digit situations where the defense allowed Trine to convert. (two on the same drive).  One of the turnovers was a punt that hit the FC return man as he was trying to get out of the way.

The first three times Franklin touched the ball went like this (fumbled punt, led to touchdown), penalty on first play then another fumble (led to field goal). 10-0 before FC mounted a drive.

FC still had the lead in the 4th with all that.  Trine is improved (especially on defense) but still has a way to go to be a playoff caliber team.  FC stunk it up in every phase of the game and had they won would not have really deserved it.  FC needs to understand that they will be getting every teams best effort.  They have been the hunters and they are not used to being the hunted.

Trine took advantage of what they were given and won the game.

FC will bounce back.  Thank goodness Rose  threw them a bone.  The real season starts next week.  Trine just ruined FC's chances of making the playoffs if they lose a conference game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 28, 2008, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 26, 2008, 08:22:05 AM

Angola, this weekend not withstanding, how many other DC alums will "sign up" for art exhibit attendance instead of the Homecoming Game on the 4th?   ;D  This household already has a couple of 80-something, blue hairs composin' Grizzled epitaphs for the bees (FC '43, and '48).


Not an art exhibit but i will be doing whatever my wife tells me to vs. tying one one in DC to watch a 60-0 whooping.  More becuase i have been on the road for 4 straight weeks and will be in Atlanta all this week so i could go but the Alimony would be expensive.

with the way DC is playing this year it feels like a bad run that the Blackjack tables when you cheer becuase you got a push and did not loose...thank god for the Bye week this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 28, 2008, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 28, 2008, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 26, 2008, 08:22:05 AM

Angola, this weekend not withstanding, how many other DC alums will "sign up" for art exhibit attendance instead of the Homecoming Game on the 4th?   ;D  This household already has a couple of 80-something, blue hairs composin' Grizzled epitaphs for the bees (FC '43, and '48).


Not an art exhibit but i will be doing whatever my wife tells me to vs. tying one one in DC to watch a 60-0 whooping.  More becuase i have been on the road for 4 straight weeks and will be in Atlanta all this week so i could go but the Alimony would be expensive.


Got up at 5:00 AM to search for petrol and succeeded - lot of Georgia hangovers this morning, so the lines were only thirty minutes long  :o  By the time I was filled up (after being on fumes for three days), there were 63 cars lined up at 5:45 AM.

Beer frig is fully loaded and humidor is stocked if you need a break from corporate hassle sometime during the week, 70. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 28, 2008, 12:53:36 PM
I think the RHIT game was due more to MSJ being a little down and RHIT playing a great game. I think the number was 3 freshmen starting or 3 first year starters on MSJ's O-line. Limits the amount of mistakes you can make when you're playing with youth. I still think MSJ will come into the FC game with only 1 loss. I also think we're giving RHIT a little too much credit talking about them being in the running for the HCAC. It was the first HCAC game of the year. Let's see how they, and MSJ play in the next couple games. Maybe MSJ isn't as good as we thought...maybe RHIT is better than we thought. Give it some time. I think it just happend to be luck.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 28, 2008, 01:21:15 PM
I agree with you Adam.  While I am personally glad MSJ lost, I still think 10/25/08 is the game of the year.  FC should help MSJ out by beating Rose in FC prior to the MSJ game.  FC still in the drivers seat at this point.

Similar to the Trine game, Trine isnt that good and FC isnt that bad.  FC could have easily won even with all the poor play.

Coach Leonard won't need to worry about over confidence due to rankings and articles in the paper and on d3football.com this week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2008, 03:13:38 PM
Quote from: frank uible on September 28, 2008, 03:21:18 AM
Saints: A list of top Ohio HS coaches might include Paul Brown, Chuck Mather, Leo Strang, Herb Eisele, Augie Bossu and Gerry Faust.

Frank,

I'm talking about by # of wins.  There's lots of great HS Coaches from Ohio.. I should have qualified my statement. 

Sayer,

I think the MSJ loss is a result of not playing anyone competitive in the first few weeks of the season.  I'm not attacking the scheduling in this case (who could've predicted a monsoon in Wisconsin for Lakeland?), but I don't think MSJ's pre-conference schedule has prepared them for tight, meaningful HCAC games.  Make no mistake, the FC game looms VERY large for both teams...but you have to give the edge to FC if nothing else than because of a tough non-conference schedule.   Mount St Joe has now played a tight game, but with this removing any margin for error...is the pressure going to be too much for the Lions (esp having 3 new OL starters-who have yet to mesh)?

fc.

I think FC and their fans WANTED MSJ to win this game....just like Mount St Joe fans should have wanted FC to be undefeated...both squads are going to be desperate on October 25th...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 28, 2008, 03:41:55 PM
Saints: Augie Bossu might qualify with respect to number of wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 28, 2008, 03:44:51 PM
P.S. The Notre Dame website states that Bossu had 310 wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2008, 05:01:04 PM
310 would put him at best in 2nd place all-time.  I actually think thats where he is now that I think about it.  Malone won 311 during my senior season in 1994 against McNicholas.  Talk about a circus atmosphere... the local channels were there as a couple sports channels..  There were probably 5,000-6,000 at that game. 

Adam,

How about my Irish?  3-1 today....They don't really play anyone until North Carolina and Boston College now... and even those guys are ACC teams.  I think 8 or 9 wins is what the Irish are going to do... bowl game here we come.  Hopefully we can win one and have the talking heads stop bringing up how long its been since ND has won one (1993 against Texas A&M).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 28, 2008, 07:34:11 PM
My mistake on FC having opportunity to beat Rose prior to MSJ.  FC plays Rose after.  That game may end up being for the conference championship.  I am glad to see more than two teams in the mix. It would be great if the conference had more parity as all the games would have more suspense and build-up.

It used to be Hanover domination, then MSJ, now there are three teams with a solid shot at the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 29, 2008, 09:14:30 AM
Franklin drops from 14 to 28 in the d3football poll.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2008, 05:23:40 PM
SaintsFAN:

My friend; I hate to say this, but...how can your Irish beat the teams they did, then lose to Michigan State?  Granted Michigan is down this year, however, Michigan State is not that good either (actually, I think MSU is really an average team as usual).  As for Northwestern, it is great to see them off to the 5-0 start, yet it remains to be seen "what goes" when they start playing the real good competition in the Big Ten  ;D.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on September 29, 2008, 07:50:28 PM
At least FC is still mentioned!! Now Defiance won't need to worry as much this weekend.  LOL   Seriously if any of the DC folks want to stop by our tailgate for a cold beer and some food send me an email or let me know via this board. We will be there before, after, and during halftime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 29, 2008, 11:35:18 PM
shouldn't Halftime and After be the same?  is there really anyone who will be going back to the whippin after the half...

here is to taking a second job to "Re" Fund the 401k
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 30, 2008, 07:54:54 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 29, 2008, 11:35:18 PM
here is to taking a second job to "Re" Fund the 401k

I hear you there. I am not even going to look at my account today after the drop in the market yesterday. :'( At least my new money being invested is buying cheaper stock at this time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2008, 08:21:25 AM
Same here, KYGrizz....same here. 

I probably won't look at it until I'm ready to retire... and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 01, 2008, 09:30:47 AM
The Bungles just signed Cedric Benson - he should fit right in there.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2008, 11:41:46 AM
real desperate...part of his problem in Chicago was a lack of committment to getting in shape.  I wonder if he passed a physical first... had to..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 02, 2008, 07:16:48 AM
Kevin, I'll be by sometime to grab that book. I've been busy with school, football, and my own grad program this week. It's been a long week already.

I also looked up that kid and you weren't kiddin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 02, 2008, 08:47:20 AM
No worries--- there's no chance that I'm going to use it.  So, it will be there.

And you thought my story about "the break-in and scare" tactic was crazy??  Now you see why pops put us in action for him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 02, 2008, 11:49:58 AM
I still think thats nuts.

Big Weekend for MSJ this week. They need to bounce back and show everyone the loss has been forgotten.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 02, 2008, 02:23:03 PM
Nice artical about Trine in around the nation.  Glad to see the HCAC schools were so helpful in boosting Trine's reputation in DIII. 
On a downside it was sad to see that the HCAC dropped in the conference rankings.  Dropped from 20th to 22nd & surpassed by the MIAA. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 03, 2008, 06:51:44 AM
My high school age son has one of the FC players as his student teacher.  He told my son that the bus ride home from Trine was rather "unpleasant" last week for the Griz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 04, 2008, 03:47:38 PM
FC up 30-7 with five minutes to go. 

As an FYI on the way up to the game I was run of the road by a semi avoiding an amish wagon near Berne, IN and I rolled and totalled my Jeep.  We walked away without a scratch.  Forced to listen to second half on the Defiance radio station via the net.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 04, 2008, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 04, 2008, 03:47:38 PM
FC up 30-7 with five minutes to go. 

As an FYI on the way up to the game I was run of the road by a semi avoiding an amish wagon near Berne, IN and I rolled and totalled my Jeep.  We walked away without a scratch.  Forced to listen to second half on the Defiance radio station via the net.

Sorry to hear about the incident, but I feel worse that you had to listen DC's feed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 05, 2008, 07:57:26 AM
No ESPY's in store for the DC play by play team.  The might have been more exciting describing drying paint.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 05, 2008, 08:51:19 AM
well in defense of the play by play guys...drying paint is more exciting than any game DC has played this year.

hell of a game last night we ran out of beer midway through the 3rd (not that we underbought) so we had to switch to sipping SoCo from the bottle.  not sure where my headache came from this morning, at least the 4 year old did not force me to get up until 7:30.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 06, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
You all will never believe this. I was watching the Price is Right today at lunch and MSJ's defensive line coach from 2004 was on the show. He screwed up the price for a new car. I can't for the life of me remember his last name. His first name is Scott. I about sh!t myself when I saw him on TV.

The Mount bounced back strong after a dissapointing loss, 50-7. I would make a perverted joke about the Beavers but it just doesn't seem fair anymore.

The game this week should also be a win...assuming MSJ isn't paying attention to that October 25th date on the calender.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 06, 2008, 08:29:17 PM
Speaking of the Beavers and perverted jokes........... FC maybe taking advantage of sloppy seconds this Saturday.  Hard to believe only the second home game all year in mid Oct.

I read the press release for the FC/DC game.  The Yellow Jackets amassed a whopping 35 yards running the ball.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2008, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 06, 2008, 08:29:17 PM


I read the press release for the FC/DC game.  The Yellow Jackets amassed a whopping 35 yards running the ball.




Congratulations!   ;D 

What should be a bit scary is that a freshman QB completed 16 of 18 for 185 with no interceptions (a novel concept in recent memory for DC's offense) against the vaunted Griz LBs and secondary.   ::) 

Apologies for belated sympathy regarding the buggy, truck, and jeep - glad you were able to walk away with no "personal" damage   ;)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2008, 01:12:20 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 06, 2008, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 06, 2008, 08:29:17 PM


I read the press release for the FC/DC game.  The Yellow Jackets amassed a whopping 35 yards running the ball.




Congratulations!   ;D 

What should be a bit scary is that a freshman QB completed 16 of 18 for 185 with no interceptions (a novel concept in recent memory for DC's offense) against the vaunted Griz LBs and secondary.   ::) 


Considering DC was only averaging 86 yards a game before that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
Here's what DC needs to do.

1. Get as many freshmen as possible into camp.

2. Bite the bullet for a year and start as many freshmen as possible (not the slobs who only hope to play specialties but the ones who could be solid as Juniors and Seniors - perferably guys who refer to themselves as the dirtiest players in the HCAC).

3. Find a 6'5" WR who has a 40 inch verticle, runs a 4.6, and catches everything the following year.

4. Teach the head coach how to play the guitar and sing the following hits: Under the Boardwalk, Bring Back that Loving Feeling, and Margaritaville

5. Find a Defensive Coordinator who: Calls the defense, runs the weightroom, is in charge of recruiting, is "kick you in the balls" crazy, and has a missing index finger due to a nasty weightroom injury. Having insomnia would be a bonus as well.

6. Get an offensive coordinator who looks like he's fresh off the set King of the Hill playing the role of Boomhauer. Then when he leaves, find a gun-slingin Texan who goes through hot moms like a baby through pampers and says things like "You've stomped all the water out of that mudhole."

7. Shake everything up, sit back and enjoy the 10-0 season that turns out. It's tried and true and won't fail.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2008, 02:40:29 PM
DC does need to make some changes, but right now their opponents cum. record is 13-4 & they've played four good to decent teams.  I'm not saying DC will have things turned around this season, but I think they'll be able to put some things together this season that will show some promise for next year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2008, 03:57:08 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
Here's what DC needs to do.

1. Get as many freshmen as possible into camp.

2. Bite the bullet for a year and start as many freshmen as possible (not the slobs who only hope to play specialties but the ones who could be solid as Juniors and Seniors - perferably guys who refer to themselves as the dirtiest players in the HCAC).

3. Find a 6'5" WR who has a 40 inch verticle, runs a 4.6, and catches everything the following year.

4. Teach the head coach how to play the guitar and sing the following hits: Under the Boardwalk, Bring Back that Loving Feeling, and Margaritaville

5. Find a Defensive Coordinator who: Calls the defense, runs the weightroom, is in charge of recruiting, is "kick you in the balls" crazy, and has a missing index finger due to a nasty weightroom injury. Having insomnia would be a bonus as well.

6. Get an offensive coordinator who looks like he's fresh off the set King of the Hill playing the role of Boomhauer. Then when he leaves, find a gun-slingin Texan who goes through hot moms like a baby through pampers and says things like "You've stomped all the water out of that mudhole."

7. Shake everything up, sit back and enjoy the 10-0 season that turns out. It's tried and true and won't fail.  ;D

#8 applies for Defiance as well.  Mount St Joe pussied out after the 1995 game when we knocked their QB out in the first series and beat them 63-27 (wouldn't have mattered if Charlie Ward was playing QB for MSJ that day)...  (our freshman class played the whole 2nd half)...  Also Defiance's Psconda decided to end the rivalry with Thomas More after the 2001 season and a not-so-close game of 33-16...

But MSJ rescheduled Thomas More and voila, they were back, I mean relevant finally.  This can be good for DC too...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 07, 2008, 03:59:32 PM
Sayer, you forgot a few things.....

Get an offensive linemen from the Park that doesn't wear underwear or a shirt under his shoulder pads, and likes to post on this website that he is going to kick a$$ and hurt upcoming opponents, and then goes out and backs it up on the field.

Get an offensive line coach that yells and screams at everyone and threatens to get fired for "kicking a player's a$$."

When that coach leaves replace him with a coach that says things like, "funk john splits" and "I don't give a shi!, we'll line up."


and the coach on tv was peters
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2008, 04:08:57 PM
The more & more I learn about you Southern Ohio boys the happier I am that I came from Michigan.  Just remember to stay away from your sisters. ;)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 07, 2008, 04:58:57 PM
Has_been that is why i am always calling you gay and questioning your manhood.

Sayer great talk track...funny thing is that is how DC got good too.  96 & 97 started all Freshman and Sophmores, got some bada$$ RB's, brought in a crazy SOB for D coordinator. made DC dominate 2000-2002.  Taylor was the crazy SOB but he calmed it down, cant be crazy and the HC not sure if it was that or the 40 kids he now has.  DC needs an edge again.  not sure how they are today but we were some true bastards and had a swaggar and when we had the athletes where good
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2008, 06:31:29 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 07, 2008, 04:58:57 PM
Has_been that is why i am always calling you gay and questioning your manhood.

Sayer great talk track...funny thing is that is how DC got good too.  96 & 97 started all Freshman and Sophmores, got some bada$$ RB's, brought in a crazy SOB for D coordinator. made DC dominate 2000-2002.  Taylor was the crazy SOB but he calmed it down, cant be crazy and the HC not sure if it was that or the 40 kids he now has.  DC needs an edge again.  not sure how they are today but we were some true bastards and had a swaggar and when we had the athletes where good

You can always call me gay & ? my manhood all you want.  If that is what makes you feel better about yours & your insecurities then so be it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2008, 06:46:28 PM
Quote from: tepee on October 07, 2008, 03:59:32 PM
Sayer, you forgot a few things.....

Get an offensive linemen from the Park that doesn't wear underwear or a shirt under his shoulder pads, and likes to post on this website that he is going to kick a$$ and hurt upcoming opponents, and then goes out and backs it up on the field.

Get an offensive line coach that yells and screams at everyone and threatens to get fired for "kicking a player's a$$."

When that coach leaves replace him with a coach that says things like, "funk john splits" and "I don't give a shi!, we'll line up."


and the coach on tv was peters


I KNOW the coach that cussed WASN'T the coach that I know, tepee.   You forgot the part about living in a cabin in Montana finishing a manifesto.   I wonder how fired up he is with this election..  I miss said Coach


Good to see you're back. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2008, 09:07:59 PM
Said coach is still probably chasing his little girls around mumbling under his breath "You're not in trouble, but your mother is!" I really feel bad for any boy who takes his girls out on a date. You'd better bring a pouch of Redman, a 6-pack, and Montana game film just to give you a chance...and watch out for that index finger :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2008, 08:33:41 PM
Dudes,

This thread is pathetic.  So just because Defiance and Franklin are not playing up to expectations --everyone has gone away? 

I thought we were better than fair weather fans..

Meanwhile, Thomas More is playing above expectations (as far as what the PAC people thought we'd be)...  Going for 4-1 this weekend hosting St. Vincent.  Its setting up a couple big games against W&J and MSJ later in the year (provided we can get by Grove City). 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 09, 2008, 08:12:52 AM
Speaking of weather, I hope the forecast for Franklin on Friday is a good one. I will be playing in the homecoming golf scramble at the Legends with my youngest son and two other Franklin Alumni. Hopefully they will bring their "A" game because the way I have played the last couple of weeks I need trade my clubs in for a fishing pole with all the water I have been in lately.

I plan on taking in the Bluffton game on Saturday to get my first look at the Grizzlies this year.

SaintsFan, I'm sure things might start to heat up around here with the schedule in the next couple of weeks when Franklins makes the trip to MSJ.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2008, 11:29:10 AM
Does anyone know where the Indianapolis Cathedral vs. Moeller game is being played tomorrow night?

Somehow I lucked into meeting an attractive girl that wants to go see a good football game as a date (we haven't been out yet).  My old man played QB for Cathedral and Moeller is good this year --so why not? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2008, 11:45:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2008, 11:29:10 AM
Does anyone know where the Indianapolis Cathedral vs. Moeller game is being played tomorrow night?

Somehow I lucked into meeting an attractive girl that wants to go see a good football game as a date (we haven't been out yet).  My old man played QB for Cathedral and Moeller is good this year --so why not? 

Game is scheduled at Moeller at 7:00 PM.  Maybe things have changed recently, but don't believe that Cathedral has a "home" facility...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2008, 05:40:17 PM
SaintsFan,

For fear of a "fair weather" label, please find a contemplative response to the suggested changes for Defiance, courtesy of the Ohio Valley contingent.

From the serious side, two major issues surface:

Location, Location, Location.  Recruiting and schedules aside, competition for prospective students/athletes is tough in the "northern, Tri-State cornbelt" as well.  Demographically, the population within 100 miles of Defiance (including Ft Wayne, Lima, Toledo, Springfield, Jackson, and Ann Arbor) is less than that of Cinci-Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, or Indianapolis metro areas.  Within that same radius are sixteen, small college programs - 3 NAIA, 3 Div II, and 10 Div III.  None are within thirty-five miles of a city of any size with the exception of Wittenberg, and that's stretching it!  :D  Publicity "fluff" and exagerration aside, there's tough competition when curricular offerings, costs, and general environment are considered for all but a couple (Hillsdale and Albion) of these institutions.

Retention.  A suggestion was made for more freshmen recruits, and attrition is a concern for both the football program and the college in general.  A brief perusal of the present roster (10/9/08) shows 98 participants, a substantial reduction from the 125+ reportees in August, 49 of whom are freshmen (along with 17 sophs, 24 juniors, and 9 seniors).  There may be legitimate circumstances for such a dramatic drop in numbers before midterm grades have even been posted, but the fall-off in sophomore returnees is disconcerting.

Has_Been mentioned "edge" and swagger.  Perhaps it's time for DC to abandon Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry - Be Happy" mentality, and resurrect the MC5's "Kick Out The Jams" from several decades ago, both athletically and academically.  Hopefully, the recently announced capital campaign will prove successful.

Rant is over - now back to the appropriate tone of the thread... :o

Number 9 (echo #9, #9...) in deference to jacketsFan's vinyl fetish...

Have the DC Womens' volleyball and softball coaches prowl the sidelines - they retain athletes, win, and are proven motivators  ;D ;) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 09, 2008, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 09, 2008, 11:45:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2008, 11:29:10 AM
Does anyone know where the Indianapolis Cathedral vs. Moeller game is being played tomorrow night?

Somehow I lucked into meeting an attractive girl that wants to go see a good football game as a date (we haven't been out yet).  My old man played QB for Cathedral and Moeller is good this year --so why not? 

Game is scheduled at Moeller at 7:00 PM.  Maybe things have changed recently, but don't believe that Cathedral has a "home" facility...



Still the same - most "home" games played at Arlington HS. 

SaintsFan,  according to the school web sites, the Cathedral - Moeller game is at Nippert Stadium.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2008, 09:21:07 PM
Thanks for the catch, CPA.    :-[

I picked up the information from the link below, but it makes more sense for them to play this at UC - one would thing the Enquirer would have the information already posted in a sports section, but if it's anything like the Atlanta fish wrap, not surprised...

http://viewmyschedule.digitalsports.com/lmpublic/event_details.asp?eid=2265710
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 09, 2008, 09:54:00 PM
Moeller has been playing at UC for home games the last few years (I know last year for sure).

Purcell Marian now has a field to call it's own. It's only 79 yards by 40 yards but it will get the job done for practice. I don't know their pain, but I think I speak for all the Purcell alum when I say "It's about damn time!"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2008, 09:03:57 AM
Adam,

Is that the field that slopes downhill also?  You guys should help your kids' 40-times by allowing them to run downhill.  This could help them land the football scholarships.  Always think positive!

cave2bens,

I'm hung over today and tired... but your analysis still made sense to me.  If the college were in one of the bigger towns, like MSJ or Thomas More....they'd have more kids available to them.  I can't imagine what there is to do for a college kid in the town of Defiance...besides Greek Parties or Dorm Mixers.


cpa,

Thanks for the info.  I'm glad its at UC tonight.  Also, I think my dad and I are coming to Cathedral "Home" game.  Its been 40 years since he graduated from Cathedral and he still talks about all the stories from when he was there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 10, 2008, 10:27:02 PM
If you want to catch a game, the one to see will be the sectional opener on 10/24 against Roncalli at Arlington HS.  Cathedral won the first matchup 17-3, and it's pretty much always a good battle.  There is also quite a bit of discussion on the Indiana HS football board about the fact these two are matched up in the sectional opener - for the 3rd straight year.  Coincidence?  Or conspiracy?  Such the drama.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 10, 2008, 11:44:32 PM
Yet another game we rush for over 200 yards and lose. 27-21 in double OT.  It was 4th and 5/6 in OT and we called a hitch and go. Instead of getting the 5 yards for a first down, we go for it all. I'm not a happy man right now! I think I said hitch 5 times during the course of the time out, a play which we ran 2 times in the game for over 5 yards each time. Their corners were 8 yards off and bailing at the snap, plus they were double covering with a S/S over top (to our single WR side in trips)....and we call a hitch and go :( 

In the course of the 4th quarter and OT, we stopped running our speed option, a play which accounted for about 150 of the 230 yards rushing because they started playing a 50 with an overhang end. A situation we've talked about during the week and had solved with the tackle blocking Big on Big (on call), and the guard blocking the LB (optioning overhang end). Even if the LB was to get free, he's not fast enough to keep up with our tailback. We never ran it once they went to a 50 (we made 1 mistake and corrected the mistake immediately after). I may be mistaken, but if a team is having a hard time stopping a play, keep running it???? If they stop it once, run it again to make sure it wasn't a fluke. Maybe I'm the idiot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 11, 2008, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 10, 2008, 10:27:02 PM
If you want to catch a game, the one to see will be the sectional opener on 10/24 against Roncalli at Arlington HS.  Cathedral won the first matchup 17-3, and it's pretty much always a good battle.  There is also quite a bit of discussion on the Indiana HS football board about the fact these two are matched up in the sectional opener - for the 3rd straight year.  Coincidence?  Or conspiracy?  Such the drama.

cpa,

Cathedral has a very good QB (if undersized).  He hit a few long passes in-stride in the first half and I thought the Irish were going to run away with this one.  With the help of some bad calls, Moeller made things interesting in the 2nd half, but still fell to the superior team. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 11, 2008, 08:53:45 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 10, 2008, 11:44:32 PM
Yet another game we rush for over 200 yards and lose. 27-21 in double OT.  It was 4th and 5/6 in OT and we called a hitch and go. Instead of getting the 5 yards for a first down, we go for it all. I'm not a happy man right now! I think I said hitch 5 times during the course of the time out, a play which we ran 2 times in the game for over 5 yards each time. Their corners were 8 yards off and bailing at the snap, plus they were double covering with a S/S over top (to our single WR side in trips)....and we call a hitch and go :( 

Thats just retarded. 

Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 10, 2008, 11:44:32 PM
In the course of the 4th quarter and OT, we stopped running our speed option, a play which accounted for about 150 of the 230 yards rushing because they started playing a 50 with an overhang end. A situation we've talked about during the week and had solved with the tackle blocking Big on Big (on call), and the guard blocking the LB (optioning overhang end). Even if the LB was to get free, he's not fast enough to keep up with our tailback. We never ran it once they went to a 50 (we made 1 mistake and corrected the mistake immediately after). I may be mistaken, but if a team is having a hard time stopping a play, keep running it???? If they stop it once, run it again to make sure it wasn't a fluke. Maybe I'm the idiot.

You need to get far, far away from that program after the season.  I didn't like what I saw when I came to see Badin play Purcell.  I'm not talking about on-the-field performance, but overall body language of the players. 


If it makes you feel any better, my date last night started out well.  Then we ran into a couple of my friends (one texted me later to say this was the hottest girl that I've been involved with) and had a few more drinks...  everything was going great until politics came up.  I can't shut my mouth up about it... especially after a few cocktails.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 11, 2008, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 10, 2008, 11:44:32 PM
Yet another game we rush for over 200 yards and lose. 27-21 in double OT.  It was 4th and 5/6 in OT and we called a hitch and go. Instead of getting the 5 yards for a first down, we go for it all. I'm not a happy man right now! I think I said hitch 5 times during the course of the time out, a play which we ran 2 times in the game for over 5 yards each time. Their corners were 8 yards off and bailing at the snap, plus they were double covering with a S/S over top (to our single WR side in trips)....and we call a hitch and go :( 

In the course of the 4th quarter and OT, we stopped running our speed option, a play which accounted for about 150 of the 230 yards rushing because they started playing a 50 with an overhang end. A situation we've talked about during the week and had solved with the tackle blocking Big on Big (on call), and the guard blocking the LB (optioning overhang end). Even if the LB was to get free, he's not fast enough to keep up with our tailback. We never ran it once they went to a 50 (we made 1 mistake and corrected the mistake immediately after). I may be mistaken, but if a team is having a hard time stopping a play, keep running it???? If they stop it once, run it again to make sure it wasn't a fluke. Maybe I'm the idiot.

Could be worse. It is not like you lost by two td's to Manchester
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 11, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
Or to Anderson by 1 pt.

Anderson 10
MSJ 9

Say it ain't so, Joe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 11, 2008, 08:25:19 PM
Looks like two new players in the race for conference champions with Franklin, as RHIT and Anderson both are also undefeated in conference play.

Franklins matchuip with Anderson Next week looks to be a bigger game next week than the one against MSJ in two weeks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 11, 2008, 09:24:44 PM
Considering MSJ has two conferences losses I would say next weeks game for Franklin is much bigger than the one against MSJ in two weeks.

I can't believe MSJ lost to Anderson!  At least they get to follow up against DC next week to recover from the loss.  Hopefully DC will be able to at least but a one in the wind column or possibly two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: R-HIT on October 11, 2008, 09:39:28 PM
Looks like all roads don't point to the Oct. 25th game against MSJ & Franklin...depending on the outcome of next week AU/FU game...the first two weekends of November should be pretty eventful in the HCAC.

Congrats to Anderson....hopefully all the mount crew will stop making excuses now and realize it is in fact a down year.

Rose has a running back that went over 100 yards rushing for the 4th straight game....but thier defense must improve, if they want to contend for the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2008, 10:43:42 AM
wow...

well whatever Anderson did defensively, to limit MSJ like they did is now on tape.  You bet that they'll see some of the same looks in the next few weeks. 

I'm looking forward to the next few weeks in the HCAC.  Honestly, I hope to God that Franklin wins this conference... I don't think the other two contenders will represent the conference in the playoffs as well as Franklin will. 

Do we need to start thinking about the soccer-equivalent name for Defiance?  Has Manchester United shed theirs?  We'll see..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2008, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: R-HIT on October 11, 2008, 09:39:28 PM

Congrats to Anderson....hopefully all the mount crew will stop making excuses now and realize it is in fact a down year.


By the way, welcome to the board.  Not sure where you got your info on the MSJ crew making excuses, but whatever. 

We see MANY, MANY posters come as their teams start to do well --only to disappear when their team does.  Hopefully you stick with us through the good, and the inevitable bad. 

By the way, how is Drew Christie doing?  Haven't seen much on him lately... is he recovering?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2008, 11:46:17 AM
I think I made him mad by saying the MSJ loss to RHIT was a fluke...which it was. RHIT's opponents are currently 9-21, including MSJ and Manchester who are both 3-2, and their only win by more than a TD was against the worst Hanover team the college has ever fielded. Yes, the win vs MSJ was a fluke (Which is ok, flukes happen - see USC against Oregon State and Stanford and Oberlin beating Wooster a few years back). RHIT will finish with an 8-2 record because the HCAC as a whole this year is probably one of the 3 worst conferences in D3football.

I only saw the last quarter and a half. MSJ didn't convert the PAT when they went up 9-3, and that was the difference. Special Teams. People take them for granted, especially the PAT, but it means the difference between a win and loss. We play McNick this week and they've lost 2 games this year cause they've failed to make a PAT (Norwood and Chaminade-Julienne). And the coaches thought I was a little harsh when I told the linemen at Purcell if they ever gave up a block kick on PAT, they would have 20, 100-yard sprints (I was never allowed to follow up with it either when 1 was blocked). The QB also threw 2 interceptions in that span of time...which doesn't help at all (I think 1 was when MSJ was close to scoring - cant remember though).

MSJ isn't the superior team anymore in the HCAC and that happens. You can't be good forever. That's part of the deal in all sports (Unless your the Atlanta Braves...they seem to win all the time with the exception of this year). They still have 2 tough games against Franklin and Thomas More and if they don't step up, it may be a long 2nd half of the year...which would be unfortunate, cause right now, they could just as easily be sitting at 5-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2008, 11:56:18 AM
Kevin, I was told the play was called because the WR told him the DB would bite on the hitch fake. I guess our WR didn't notice the Corner sitting at 8 yards and bailing on the snap of the ball. I'm over it. Just letting out some frustration Friday night and I hate losing with a passion. We've now had 4 losses by a TD or less and another was a close game against Carroll which we were in until they went on a 9 minute, game ending drive. Our only 2 blow outs were against Alter and Badin, which is infinitely better than last year. We only have 5 or 6 seniors and I return 6 linemen with experience. Now if they would all grow 3-4 inches taller and gain 20-30 pounds :)


Another crazy year of college football with some interesting officiating calls yesterday (ie the Red River Rivalry and Notre Dame).  How about Herbstreit and his "the officials need to put yellow cards in their pockets instead of yellow flags" comment. That was good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 12, 2008, 03:00:29 PM
I am sure glad FC is playing in the HCAC or we might not be able to win a game. (lol)

For the record FC's non conference opponents combined record is 11-4 including a 5-0 and a 4-1 team and a team in the OAC.  Not until the last two weeks has the level of competition hit rock bottom  DC and Bluffton are a combined 1-9.

While Bluffton is certainly not a conference contender FC got things rolling early (35-3 at the half as I recall) and never looked back.  FC's second string laid the wood from the the mid 3rd QTR on.  The running game actually arrived as well.

I am looking forward to a good game next week at Anderson.  The Ravens will be jacked up.  The next three weeks will all be critical games as FC faces AU, MSJ, and RHI in order.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2008, 03:47:44 PM
I hope the run game showed up against Bluffton, cause if it hadn't, you'd want to start worrying.

It won't be a tough couple of weeks. FC is the better team right now than the others (that hurts to say).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2008, 06:11:41 PM
Adam,

I think the MSJ team still has a chance... they need help though, especially with them not having played the best on their schedule yet.  I believe Franklin and Thomas More are going to make RHIT look like a HS Team.. just my opinoin.   Franklin is Franklin with Rupp and I believe you're going to be suprised at the kind of team Thomas More has morphed into in one years time. 

The calls yesterday were horrible... my favorite...the play at the end of the ND game when Floyd "fumbled" after he was ruled down with :03 left.  Should've been 1st down, clock stopped.  And btw, I don't believe that Notre Dame is back yet (by back I mean early to mid 90s back), but they are close.  They have great young skill guys...and even though I hate him, Clausen is the real deal.  He's set career highs in att's, completions and yards the last 3 weeks, it seems.  They will be a juggernaut next year and National Title Contenders in 2010. 

I went on a date on Friday to the Cathedral/Moeller game... first the game.. Moe is terrible.  Cathedral has a very quick QB  that ran for 95 yards and put the ball on the money to his receivers.  Moeller couldn't tackle or consistently move the ball.  We sat with some friends of my dad ... who won the city title 2-0 in their senior year in 1963.. fun talking football with those guys.  The girl is very cool, it was her idea to see the game, she wanted to play Golden Tee in a bar after that (I let her win) Not only that, but she's the exact same as me politically.  She wants me to have a Sean Hannity viewing party for her tonight... stay tuned.  (do you have to ask, Adam... of course she's highly attractive)

fcalum,

I think you can go ahead and throw away the Bluffton tape.  It was a glorified scrimmage, as it should be.  I do think Franklin should be commended on their pre-conference schedule though, it seems to have them at the top of the HCAC again (yes I'm predicting it).

By the way, I hated playing Anderson (not because we lost to them).  They played that crappy "hit of the time" rock music to get jacked up in pregame.. then their 5'6 LBs would try to "bark" at me when they got into their 46 defense.  I LOVED talking $hit to them after my audibles to the trap option, and 3 step game (slants, fades) burned them badly. 

Worse, they looked like burnt turds in their black jerseys, black pants and orange helmets (which made their short defenders seem shorter).

Do they still wear that color scheme?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 12, 2008, 08:32:00 PM
I think the Ravens have better uniforms now.  FC is getter better each week on defense and the running game is improving.  The sophomore from South Carolina is starting to run north and south and getting more touches every week.

FC is also starting to gel on defense and flying to the ball.  With some of the new faces at the start of the season, they just weren't as sharp as a unit.

As someone said earlier Rupp is Rupp and I am glad he is on our side. 

I will say this:  for Anderson to win they are going to have to find a way to score more than 7 points in the first 59:54.  MSJ plays stout defense but 10 points won't get it done against FC.  Anderson will need 30 points or more IMO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2008, 09:14:50 PM
MSJ needs a lot of help. I was told they were young upfront and it looks like it. I didn't see the whole game, but what I did see, didn't look good. I know they are capable of playing better, but on October 12, Franklin is the better team.

You're absolutely right about the schedule. MSJ's nonconference schedule isn't bad other than Wilmington. I'd like to see a Wittenberg, Wabash, Capital, ONU type game on there though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 13, 2008, 10:38:25 AM
Sayer,

McNick is soft.  They have raised tuition so much the blue collar kids can't afford to go there anymore. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 13, 2008, 10:53:45 AM
... and now we've lost to Manchester and the question looms, "What do we do to fix this train wreck and make the train run on time again?" I think the answer's obvious. Clear the rails, haul off the wreckage, put a new locomotive on the train, stoke the boilers, find an engineer who eats coal and shytes fire and a crew that thinks Casey Jones was a puss. Then hit the road and collar every hungry, bad-ass kid who craves to play college football from schools outside the realm of Division III football land, where all the hype and attention is on the kids who are obvious Division 1 candidates. Show them game film of some of the good seasons of yore when the roster was full of players who were proud of being the dirtiest, meanest bastards in the HCAC and let these new recruits understand that it can all be theirs if they're willing to come and sweat and bleed and suffer through some hard training and maybe a tough first year. That's the only thing that's gonna work now and I think we all need to start being honest and admit it. Sorry to mix my metaphors here, but the best fighter jet out there won't fly if even one wing is removed. Someone said DC should go out and get a Defensive Coordinator who's the real deal. A flash. They had one. Adam Baumgartner. The man was a defensive genius and they let him go because they got stupid. Look around at the coaching staff lineup and start comparing wins and see if you notice any trends.

I hate to sound like the doomsday machine here but I said it earlier in the season to someone and I'll say it again. Barring a miracle, this is probably going to be an 0-10 season. Surely no better than 1-9. I hate to see that happen but it might end up being a blessing in disguise.

For cave2bens: "Three, five and seven lift the heaviest load."

Cockle-doodle-doo.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2008, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 12, 2008, 09:14:50 PM
You're absolutely right about the schedule. MSJ's nonconference schedule isn't bad other than Wilmington. I'd like to see a Wittenberg, Wabash, Capital, ONU type game on there though.

Lakeland is also garbage.  In d3, you don't have to make the schedules out years in advance like an Ohio State or Notre Dame.  I'd like to see MSJ step up... but I also would like to see Thomas More continue to improve and make MSJ's non-conference look stronger. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2008, 11:51:09 AM
One of the many things that confuse me about DC is, what happened to their run game???  That was suppose to be their bread & butter. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 13, 2008, 12:32:24 PM
dc_has_been, Caralla is the real deal, probably the best running back they've seen in awhile. But with an O-line that won't or can't make holes for him to run through, he doesn't have much to work with.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2008, 12:53:04 PM
Lakeland isn't terrible (this year they are, but overall, they haven't been that bad). They've been #1 or 2 in their conference 4 of the last 5 years and their conference is comparable with the HCAC in terms of competitiveness. They aren't a top 40 team by any means either, but they are better than Wilmington.

I said before, Wilmington was an important game because MSJ recruits the same area but now that MSJ has gotten better and has beaten Wilmington 6 straight games, the Wilmington game isn't as important.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2008, 02:22:45 PM
I would bet that if you put Wilmington in IBC they would be one of the top two teams in that conference.  Also, saying their conference is comparable to the HCAC is not saying much considerning or conference is know for being a bottom dweller in DIII.
The only decent nonconference team MSJ will play is TMC & even though they are playing well, they'll likely finish 7-3, but could really prove me wrong & do better than that.
In regards to other HCAC teams, depending on well Trine finishes, Franklin as the toughest nonconference schedule. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2008, 03:01:14 PM
Current nonconference opponents combined records & record against.
Anderson 6-10 1-2
Bluffton 8-8 1-2
Defiance 11-4 0-3
Franklin 11-4 2-1
Hanover 10-6 0-2 Butler was still tallied in even though they did not play.
Manchester 7-9 2-1
MSJ 8-7 2-0
RHIT 3-13 2-1
10-12 overall against nonconference teams with 1 left to played (MSJ vs. TMC). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2008, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 13, 2008, 02:22:45 PM
I would bet that if you put Wilmington in IBC they would be one of the top two teams in that conference.  Also, saying their conference is comparable to the HCAC is not saying much considerning or conference is know for being a bottom dweller in DIII.
The only decent nonconference team MSJ will play is TMC & even though they are playing well, they'll likely finish 7-3, but could really prove me wrong & do better than that.
In regards to other HCAC teams, depending on well Trine finishes, Franklin as the toughest nonconference schedule. 

So you think they'll upset Franklin, has_been??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 13, 2008, 03:44:20 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 13, 2008, 12:32:24 PM
dc_has_been, Caralla is the real deal, probably the best running back they've seen in awhile. But with an O-line that won't or can't make holes for him to run through, he doesn't have much to work with.

"Devil may care but you wish for the best,"  Is it proper to pass the bong to the left or the right?  ???  Links for Amy Vanderbilt or Emily Post?

All this bellicose blather and multiple posts, Mr. P - must be a federal holiday and you'd (me as well) rather be fishin'!   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2008, 12:53:04 PM
Lakeland isn't terrible (this year they are, but overall, they haven't been that bad). They've been #1 or 2 in their conference 4 of the last 5 years and their conference is comparable with the HCAC in terms of competitiveness. They aren't a top 40 team by any means either, but they are better than Wilmington.

I said before, Wilmington was an important game because MSJ recruits the same area but now that MSJ has gotten better and has beaten Wilmington 6 straight games, the Wilmington game isn't as important.

Adam, I agree with you about your Wilmington thoughts... NOW, though I think MSJ has moved on from targeting Clinton County football players.  We'll see...

Lakeland is only going to get worse..  the new conference they are in...is one step above Division 4.  Franklin would be untested and their starters wouldn't see the field in the 2nd half of any of the conference games, were they in that conference.  Lakeland WAS very good when they had Zebrowski at the helm from 2003-2006.. he's now Offensive Coordinator at UW-Whitewater.  He was in charge of Millkin's resurgence prior to that as offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2008, 09:33:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 13, 2008, 02:22:45 PM
I would bet that if you put Wilmington in IBC they would be one of the top two teams in that conference. 

They better be. They would be the only team in the conference if they joined today. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2008, 07:08:00 AM
So the HCAC isn't a traditionally bottom dwelling conference? D3 has us ranked at the bottom just about every year. Last year was a vast imporvement as both Franklin and MSJ got into the playoffs, and  competed in the playoffs rather than getting blown out like we did from 2004-2006 (it helps when you don't have to play MUC or Wheaton).

How about non-scholarship DI (Dayton, Valpo, etc.). How are they in comparison with D3 on a yearly basis?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2008, 08:43:52 AM
Nice, Pat.  How is Minna-SOTA treating you and the fam?

I would say traditionally, yes...the HCAC has been bottom dwelling... but not as bottom dwelling as the old IBC or whatever they are calling themselves today.  I would also argue that the Heartland, with MSJ, Franklin and Defiance playing well...is a top-15 conference.   I'd rank them near the President's Athletic Conference from what I've seen.  But thats WITH those three schools playing well. 

You still need to come get that catalog... before I use it.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2008, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2008, 09:33:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 13, 2008, 02:22:45 PM
I would bet that if you put Wilmington in IBC they would be one of the top two teams in that conference. 

They better be. They would be the only team in the conference if they joined today. :)

My bad, Wilmington in the NATHC would be one of the top two teams in the conf.

Sayer- you bring up a valid point about last year & the HCAC, but this year is showing why we are towards the bottom.  10-12 in nonconference action with most of the games against the MIAA (8), or teams like Earlham 0-5 & played 3 HCAC oppenents. 
Right now I'm hoping Franklin runs the table & their defense does improve, b/c they would have the best shot winning in the playoffs & helping the HCAC get some respect.

SaintsFan- agreed! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
I told the guy that I had been to Eddie Lane's place in Montgomery and explained Eddie Lane's a Purcell Grad. I think I made him nervous because afterwards, he gave me a price on a 1.01 karat diamond, that is an F in color (still colorless on the scale) and SI 1 clarity for $3,800. I was shown a very similar (almost exact) diamond at Eddie Lane's place for $5,100. I got a $1,300 discount. I won't be needing the book. I appreciate the offer though. The whole ring is 2.11 karats and is costing me $5,000, $100 less than the single diamond would have cost me at the other place. Not bad methinks.

I had the Dean of students yell at me today because I was putting together the O-line's scouting report during the resource bell instead of doing something constructive. Last time I checked, coaching football was one of my responsibilities here???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 14, 2008, 04:23:55 PM
Franklin is getting more love this week than they normally get all season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on October 14, 2008, 05:35:57 PM
You folks can forget about scheduling NCAC members (except Earlham) for at least the next 3 years or as long as the UAC- NCAC agreement lasts. Try the WIAC-they're always looking for d3 teams to schedule so they don't have to play each other twice a year. (the second Whitewater-Eau Claire game this year don't count). The OAC is difficult to schedule since they play a full 9 game round robin leaving only 1 non-conference game.
     Wabash only has 2 openings since they are obligated to play DePauw each year. We are happy not having to play Franklin, at least until Rupp graduates, after beating each others' brains out the last 2 years, in 2 really great games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
They could travel if they needed to. I think the football team has done enough the last 4 years to warrant some special privledges traveling around. Playing a team down South in Jacketfan's territory (if possible) may help some recruiting in places where D3 normally isn't located. Even traveling cross country appeals to a lot of kids from a recruiting standpoint.

Christopher Newport wouldn't be a bad travel option. 3 playoff apearances since 2003 and currently 3-1. Try to appeal to some East Coast kids. The Virginia Beach/Newport News area produces some great athletes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2008, 07:53:01 PM
This is a man after my own heart, not only that, I'm surrently sporting the bald head/beard look and have torn ligaments in my pinky. Maybe we're siblings separated at birth.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_10673160
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2008, 08:43:32 PM
The pinky is pointless anyway.  You have your pointer to obviously point, middle finger to point up to people you want to express feeling too, ring finger for when  you get married, & the thumb to help you grab something.  What does the pinky do??? ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 14, 2008, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 14, 2008, 08:43:32 PM
The pinky is pointless anyway...  What does the pinky do??? ;)

Uhhh-h-h - Depression of "shift keys," genteel, continental extension during high tea, bad impersonations of Dr. Evil, and in times of dire emergency, the obligatory taint scratch.   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 14, 2008, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
The Virginia Beach/Newport News area produces some great athletes.

And some hellacious dog fighters.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 14, 2008, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 14, 2008, 08:43:32 PM
The pinky is pointless anyway...  What does the pinky do??? ;)

Uhhh-h-h - Depression of "shift keys," genteel, continental extension during high tea, bad impersonations of Dr. Evil, and in times of dire emergency, the obligatory taint scratch.   ;D ;)

Very important in the demonstration of or  the performance of the shocker
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 14, 2008, 04:23:55 PM
Franklin is getting more love this week than they normally get all season. 

Not really, you just aren't here during the off-season to hear us talk about the HCAC.  Damn right --during the season, we pull for our teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 08:40:17 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
They could travel if they needed to. I think the football team has done enough the last 4 years to warrant some special privledges traveling around. Playing a team down South in Jacketfan's territory (if possible) may help some recruiting in places where D3 normally isn't located. Even traveling cross country appeals to a lot of kids from a recruiting standpoint.

Christopher Newport wouldn't be a bad travel option. 3 playoff apearances since 2003 and currently 3-1. Try to appeal to some East Coast kids. The Virginia Beach/Newport News area produces some great athletes.

You could travel to Texas and play someone from the ASC or the SCAC..  you never know, maybe Rashon Lewis has a cranky little brother.  --the missing piece of the puzzle!

Don't forget to tip your bartenders, folks... I'll be here again tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 09:06:46 AM
Nice article this week by Matt Florjancic on Thomas More QB Trevor Stellman and his road back from ACL Surgery last August. 

I know W&J is in the back of their minds --I know Grove City gets TMC's full focus this weekend.  Same with Thiel next weekend. 

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/2008/Saints+have+their+leader+back
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2008, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 14, 2008, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 14, 2008, 08:43:32 PM
The pinky is pointless anyway...  What does the pinky do??? ;)

Uhhh-h-h - Depression of "shift keys," genteel, continental extension during high tea, bad impersonations of Dr. Evil, and in times of dire emergency, the obligatory taint scratch.   ;D ;)

Very important in the demonstration of or  the performance of the shocker
cave2bens & SaintsFan- very good points to the uses of the pinky! +1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2008, 12:32:43 PM
What happens if the Shocker doesn't rock her?   ;D

It wasn't Coach Hilvert's pinkie, but he knows all about losing fingers. The thought of that stil makes me shiver.


It's Hanover week but I don't really care. I think I'm getting ill? I'm always fired up for Hanover week. I know they're not very good right now but damn...someone take my temperature.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 01:20:54 PM
Sayer,

if it doesn't rock her, then you -kock her!! 

The illness you have sounds familiar... I've had it too in seasons past.  Its comes on when your alma mater underachieves.... the only cure is winning....that and maybe some more cowbell. 

Sushi tonight, since there's nothing on sports-wise... just the debate, and nothing is going to be allowed to be said negatively about Osama, so I'm not watching.

Ask me later why I call him Osama.. its not why you probably think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 15, 2008, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2008, 12:32:43 PM
What happens if the Shocker doesn't rock her?   ;D



A "man"icure may unlock her  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 15, 2008, 02:41:23 PM
you spock her!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
I wonder how many women actually post on d3boards at all.  I'm betting that in at least the football section there are 3 or 4 tops.  It is very tough to keep up with the maturity & mental capacity of these boards. :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 05:08:26 PM
and, sadly, they are probably all "spoken for"... 

I like chicks that can debate football... and still look scrumptious in a pair of heels and a dress.   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2008, 05:52:30 PM
I dated a woman who thought she could debate football & for awhile thought she could until I found out she was repeating everything from analyst on tv shows. 
Kev lets just leave it at you like anything that looks scrumptious in a pair of heels & a dress!  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 16, 2008, 07:08:30 AM
whoa, whoa, whoa...it doesn't even need a dress. Anything in heals will do.

Tepee...big game this week. Taking on your McNicholas Rockets
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 16, 2008, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 15, 2008, 05:52:30 PM
Kev lets just leave it at you like anything that looks scrumptious in a pair of heels & a dress!  ;)

This is true... but added bonus if she can debate football in her own words... thats funny about repeating what an analyst said.  It would be VERY bad if it were the words of John Madden..  BOOM! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 16, 2008, 03:44:26 PM
Take it easy on my rockets tomorrow; they are not what they use to be.  The good ole days of 7-3 and embarrassing first round playoff losses are long gone.  Now they are lucky to get 3 or 4 wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 16, 2008, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2008, 05:08:26 PM
and, sadly, they are probably all "spoken for"... 

I like chicks that can debate football... and still look scrumptious in a pair of heels and a dress.   ;)

I just got home from Vegas, stayed at Mandalay Bay since Sat.  i am running on overload of "scrumptious in a pair of heels and a dress"

man there are a lot of hookers trolling the casinos out there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 16, 2008, 09:56:22 PM
Hate to change the subject back to football but what is the predicted line on the Grizzlies and Ravens tilt up in Anderson Saturday?  I am thinking the Ravens play well but the Grizzlies pull away late and prevail 38-21
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 16, 2008, 11:33:27 PM
I'm giving Anderson 10.5 points, which probably isn't enough.  However, it is at Anderson, and after an awful start, Anderson seems to have some positive momentum building.  So we're not too far off in our thoughts.

Check the HCAC Pick 'ems page for all the games and spreads.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 17, 2008, 08:12:45 AM
I love Vegas, 70.  ****... you should've told me.  I would've jumped a Delta Flight last weekend (I know you don't work the WHOLE time).


How about we plan a little Vegas reunion for the HCAC Posters?  One thing -- We gotta put some bail money together for Sayer...in order for him to get his permission slip signed off on by the lady..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 17, 2008, 10:15:24 AM
There is a group of us that go out to Vegas every year for the first week of the NCAA tournament. Nothing like sitting in a sports book for about 12 hours a day. Last year Easter Sunday was the first weekend of the tournament so we went the second week. Not the same, not as many games and it gave me more time out at the tables to lose more.

Actually we stay at Sunset Station in Henderson and go down to the strip for at least one night.

In regards to the Anderson-Franklin game my prediction is Franklin 41 Anderson 20.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
Saintsfan you would be suprised i was hosting 7 different clients with a total of about 50 individuals...so at any time i was getting a text.  "at PICK A BAR and our bill is bigger than our expense account please clear our tab"  it was non stop work...if that is what you call that

Franklin will win by at least 14...until Anderson proves something or brings back Joe Steele Franklin will remain a heavy favorite.

several weeks ago when i asked who wins first DC or the Bengals i did not think it would take the long with no end in sight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 17, 2008, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
Saintsfan you would be suprised i was hosting 7 different clients with a total of about 50 individuals...so at any time i was getting a text.  "at PICK A BAR and our bill is bigger than our expense account please clear our tab"  it was non stop work...if that is what you call that

I want in on that next time.  I could be introduced to your clients as your "trusted (D3football) consultant". .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 18, 2008, 01:20:55 AM
FC will win by 20...at least.

I don't need permission, but the bail money would be good for other reasons  ;D

Another defeat in the long line of close calls. We were down 24-7 at halftime, were winning 26-24 going into the 4th quarter, and lost 29-26. We missed 2 extra points in the game and snapped the ball out of the back of the endzone. This **** will be the end of me. We've now lost, 10-7, 19-13, 14-6 (missed a FG and extra point in the game-but were winning at halftime), 27-21 (double OT), and 29-26. Another game we lost 24-12 and had the ball at their 35 after an INT and couldn't score to pull within 1 score. We've been in games. We lost a scrimage to a team 17-14...a team that will finish 7-3 and be in the playoffs. I know it's only a scrimmage, but the point is, we've played with everyone with the exception of 2 teams and 1 of those teams, we still ran for over 200 yards. We had 4 To's and our defense couldn't stop a snail that night. I'm at a lost for words.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2008, 09:13:32 AM
get your resume together and don't spend another season there.

You don't want to die of a stress-related heart attack when you're 35. 


The team that I saw against Badin needed some work, but they're kids.  I just don't think Purcell Marion is getting the John Paul Case, Terry Killens, and Kenny Pope's anymore.  You guys seem to be doing the max with what you have.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 18, 2008, 03:19:50 PM
The game against Badin was the worst game we played all year. The other blow out was against Alter. Playing Alter is like MSJ playing Mt. Union. We spent some time talking about the year and I was told that this is the first year in a long time they have been able to consistently compete with teams in the GCL. Here's the difference since last year in the GCL

Team                                            2007                       2008
Chaminade Julienne                        34-0                        14-6 (missed extra point and FG)
Carroll                                           33-6                        24-12
Badin                                             23-12                      40-14 (we had 4 Turnovers, 3 in 1st half)           
Alter                                              49-6                        39-7
Fenwick                                         24-6                        27-21 (2 Overtimes)
McNick                                           35-6                        29-26

It's definitely gotten better. Last year we averaged losing 33-6, this year 29-14. We didn't score once on our opening drive in the 3rd quarter last year. This year we've done it 3 times (Carroll, Badin, McNick). We've had the lead/been tied at halftime or sometime during the second half in 6 games this year compared to 2 last year. We line up on Friday with 33 varsity players (9th-12th grade) whereas other teams have 33 or more juniors and seniors.

Have we gotten the most out of this team....probably. But we're better than the 1-8 record.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 18, 2008, 03:46:55 PM
good game in DC.  21 all in the 4th but RH is in the red zone
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2008, 04:44:57 PM
i see the progress... I just still think.. well, you know.


Thomas More marches on today... 35-17 over Grove City.  I'd sure like to have that John Carroll game replayed at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 18, 2008, 06:13:52 PM
FC was up 56-27 on Anderson midway thru the fourth.  Anderson is a fraud.  13 of their points were a result of FC turnovers.

Leonard called off the dogs with 9 min to play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 18, 2008, 07:26:40 PM
Told you it would be 20+ points.

And no offense to Defiance as they are in a rebuilding stint, but RHIT isn't very good either, as proven again today as well as the other close calls to bad teams. They'll play up or down to their competition, which good teams don't do. Not gonna lie, I'm a little worried about Saturday. Hopefully MSJ can keep it a game and pull out a big play in the 4th quarter to win it. With the way FC's offense is playing...the defense has its work cut out for them.


TMC's playing very well. The PAC isn't extraordinary, but the rebuilding process seems to be going quicker than most people thought.

Kevin, I'd like to leave in the future after A) we've built or established a respectable program and B) I get my Master's Degree finished. I'm getting a deal through the Archdiocese. I don't want to run just because things arn't going my way. I guess it's a pride thing. Plus, if we can build up the program, that would look great on a resume. So far, my Runningback is averaging over 5 yards per and we haven't given up many sacks (I don't count the ones when the QB gets happy feet and tries to run all over the place).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 18, 2008, 11:40:44 PM
FC is certainly in the driver's seat for the conference crown but next week is a trap game in my opinion.  On paper, etc FC should roll and is the clear favorite.  However, MSJ has nothing to lose and is going to give FC a battle.  MSJ still plays solid defense every week and they will be highly motivated.

I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 19, 2008, 02:44:12 PM
Franklin seems to look better on paper then they did before with the teams they've played.  BW only other losses were against top 25 teams (mount union & otterbein) &  are 3-3, Butler is doing well at 5-1 & would be 6-1 w/ a win over Hanover, Trine continues to roll at 6-0, & Franklin has pretty much rolled over all their HCAC teams thus far (Bluffton, Defiance, & Anderson). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 19, 2008, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 19, 2008, 02:44:12 PM
Franklin seems to look better on paper then they did before with the teams they've played...

Yeah, like the three 80-something, family alums like to remind me of every Sunday morning.  ;D  "But Bob, at least DC rallied to beat the spread this time!"  Ouch, Ma!  :-\

As a certain curmudgeon on this board expressed, though my terminology is less harsh than his,  DC has screwed the pooch so often that charges of beastiality may require investigation.   :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 12:16:48 AM
... if you can't stand by your post enough to have your name on it then we don't let it stay on the board, sorry.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 20, 2008, 09:37:17 AM
what a crappy season

DC 0-6 (cant cheer for the #1 draft pick here)
Bengals 0-7 (see comment above)
OSU cant crack past 10th (talk about high standards these days)

at least the high school alma mater is doing well taking the GWOC last week.  lets see if Northmont can play with the big boys of the GCL when region 4 gets running.  they held there own against St Iggy and while the Cincy big boys are good they are not top 10 in the nation good like the last 5-10 years.

sorry for breaking into the high school on the college board, but i got to pad my number of posts and there is nothing about DC that is worth posting right now other than heck of a game by Lewis running the rock
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 20, 2008, 01:46:09 PM
Did I miss a post by someone? What's Pat talking about?

The Bengals are 0-6 for the 8th time in team history. The next closest team was Arizona with 4. You would think being Paul Brown's son, he would learn at least something about the game.

I think the difference in Saturday's game will be MSJ's run game. The defense has been pretty solid all year in the turnover department and I think they will be able to force some vs FC. If MSJ can sustain a run game, limiting FC's possessions, those TO's will be costly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 02:04:41 PM
Yes, it was pulled. They posted and immediately deleted their account.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2008, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 20, 2008, 09:37:17 AM
what a crappy season

DC 0-6 (cant cheer for the #1 draft pick here)
Bengals 0-7 (see comment above)
OSU cant crack past 10th (talk about high standards these days)

at least the high school alma mater is doing well taking the GWOC last week.  lets see if Northmont can play with the big boys of the GCL when region 4 gets running.  they held there own against St Iggy and while the Cincy big boys are good they are not top 10 in the nation good like the last 5-10 years.

sorry for breaking into the high school on the college board, but i got to pad my number of posts and there is nothing about DC that is worth posting right now other than heck of a game by Lewis running the rock

Well..... My high school is 0-8, college 0-6, & Detroit Lions 0-6!  So I don't want to hear about crappy seasons 70dcalum. 
Maybe I'll start claiming Cali teams, so I'll know what if feels like to win some games. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 20, 2008, 02:56:09 PM
Gross Isle High School Football could not win in a powder puff league and the Detroit Lions might even be more pathetic than the Bengals.  i guess it could be worse.  at least when my Buckeyes have a down year they still crack the top 10 and will likely be in a BCS game.  it is not like we got beat by Toledo...Go Blue!!

Claim the Cali teams...i know you cant root for USC so it will be UCLA for you.  how would that be different than you pulling for U of M?  UCLA is always in the back seat fight for 2nd place behind thier rival!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2008, 03:15:02 PM
Grosse Ile would have trouble in a powder puff game right now & the Lions are worse than the Bengals.
For UofM, well at least they are 57-41-6 vs. the mighty Nuts.
Well, at least this horrific year of football has given me the opportunity to concentrate on getting the nursery complete.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2008, 08:27:55 AM
All three of my teams are going through better seasons than previously... so I'm lucky -- and I can say F the Bengals.

Badin High School just clinched the GCL -Central and a probable playoff berth with a 21-7 win over Chaminade on Saturday.  They are 6-3 this year. 

Notre Dame is just better period.  Clausen, though a pompous jerk, is developing very nicely.

Thomas More's lone defeat of the season is to John Carroll, who is 5-1 in the OAC and just beat Capital by forcing 9 turnovers.  The offense is averaging 250 yards on the ground, and the defense has given up 40 points in the last 4 games.  The Saints have three home games left.. Thiel, W&J, and the Bridge Bowl. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
SaintsFan- TMC has been having a great season & if they continue to play well you may have a PAC championship to boot. 
I don't want to discredit Thiel, but that should be a W & w/ W&J, never say never.  I'll still root for MSJ, but that could shape up to be a huge game too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
yep, you're right, has_been... thats why they play the games.

Thomas More has a very young set of skill guys.  Their top two rushers (yardage) are true freshman.  The defense has been playing well (held a very good Bethany offense in check)..  W&J is the ultimate PAC test, meanwhile. . we also have some unfinished business in the Bridge Bowl with the new trophy that some art student came up with.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
What a shocker...a Jim Hilvert team that plays good defense.

Badin's QB is the reason for their success. We were studying their film vs Roger Bacon, and their QB, under pressure and on 1 foot delivered a 50-yard pass (in the air) on the money. He can also pound the rock. I think he had 3 runs over 20 yards vs Bacon and has some decent size. He'd be a very nice addition to a D3 team in the area. He's easily the best QB in the GCL North/Central.

6-1 is the only record that matters in the OSU-Michigan Rivalry. but we got to take it one game at a time. 8:00 et, JoPa brings his Nittany Lions into the Horseshoe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2008, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
What a shocker...a Jim Hilvert team that plays good defense.
6-1 is the only record that matters in the OSU-Michigan Rivalry. but we got to take it one game at a time. 8:00 et, JoPa brings his Nittany Lions into the Horseshoe.
Really???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2008, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2008, 12:40:09 PM


Badin's QB is the reason for their success. We were studying their film vs Roger Bacon, and their QB, under pressure and on 1 foot delivered a 50-yard pass (in the air) on the money. He can also pound the rock. I think he had 3 runs over 20 yards vs Bacon and has some decent size. He'd be a very nice addition to a D3 team in the area. He's easily the best QB in the GCL North/Central.


He's going to look good in the Royal Blue-White-Silver in Crestview Hills for the next 4 years. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 21, 2008, 03:10:59 PM
SaintsFan,

It looks like Anthony Knott is having a good Freshman year for Thomas More this year. He went to the Seneca high school down here in Louisville. That is where all three of my children went to high school.

Glad to see him doing well, he is quick an can make some moves.

I think MSJ defense may slow Franklin's offense done some this week but I still expect Franklin to win by a couple touchdowns.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2008, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 21, 2008, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
What a shocker...a Jim Hilvert team that plays good defense.
6-1 is the only record that matters in the OSU-Michigan Rivalry. but we got to take it one game at a time. 8:00 et, JoPa brings his Nittany Lions into the Horseshoe.
Really???

That's right...what have you done for me lately. JT owns them and should win #7 here in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2008, 07:43:33 PM
They'll be recovering from what Penn St and Spread HD does to them though... maybe a hangover ??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 22, 2008, 09:35:35 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2008, 07:14:56 PM


That's right...what have you done for me lately. JT owns them and should win #7 here in a few weeks.

From the perspective of one who has attended over 20% of these games - 22 of them -(and the pre-game band competitions at "Yost," "FC", "St. John's", and whatever the heck OSU now calls their sponsored, basketball edifice), recent history is appreciated, but translates into less than seven percent of the story.  ::)

Forgive this old curmudgeon for fond remembrance of a seat on the 34 yd line in a stadium, snow underfoot, on a crisp, cold November afternoon in 1969 or even better, seeing big Champ stuffed twice inside the three from a MSU, south endzone perch in 1974.  One just never knows with underdogs...  8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 22, 2008, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2008, 03:15:02 PM
For UofM, well at least they are 57-41-6 vs. the mighty Nuts.

and how many of these W's do you actually remember.  wasn't the first 20 wins when OSU fielded a powder puff team club team before football became a sport at Ohio State?  i guess you should be proud about that 15 game spread.  it is like when my wife (an F'n Browns fan) talks about those pre-super bowl championships...all we ask to talk trash is do something in the last 45 years...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on October 22, 2008, 10:25:26 AM
Of course Woody's record vs. Bo was 4-5-1.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 22, 2008, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 22, 2008, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2008, 03:15:02 PM
For UofM, well at least they are 57-41-6 vs. the mighty Nuts.

...all we ask to talk trash is do something in the last 45 years...

Here ya go, 70, even though first recollection of OSU football was watching a game in uncle's trailer, parked along Wolf Creek in Trotwood in 1961 - Mummy, Ferguson, Snell, and Warfield in backfield; Moeller on DL...

Hayes  1963-1978       9 - 6 - 1 (inc. the Franklin/ Rose rip-off of 1973)
Bruce   1979-1987       5 - 4
Cooper 1988-2000      2 - 10 - 1
Tressel 2001 - ?          6 - 1

45 yrs  OSU vs UM      22 - 21 - 2 

BTW, Nice reminder, Frank - "Baumanned again!"   ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2008, 06:58:54 PM
I coach with a guy named Baumann.

After the Cooper Era, which was the worst since Fielding Yost's 2 tenures at Michigan, I'll stick with Tressel's current 6-1 record :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 22, 2008, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2008, 06:58:54 PM
I coach with a guy named Baumann.

After the Cooper Era, which was the worst since Fielding Yost's 2 tenures at Michigan, I'll stick with Tressel's current 6-1 record :)

Yeah, I LOVED John Cooper!  Why'd ya have to deep-six him? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 22, 2008, 10:59:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 22, 2008, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2008, 06:58:54 PM
I coach with a guy named Baumann.

After the Cooper Era, which was the worst since Fielding Yost's 2 tenures at Michigan, I'll stick with Tressel's current 6-1 record :)

Yeah, I LOVED John Cooper!  Why'd ya have to deep-six him? :D

His first name isn't Charlie, is it Adam?  With an affinity for SC "orange"?  :o

Cooper ran out of kids needing free tuition - there's always hope for a generation of grandbabies, eh Mr. Ypsi?  After "a sabbatical" in Tennesee Dr. Gee, ala MacArthur, returned from Vanderbilt.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
Nope, his name is Larry.

Big game for MSJ. Had a dream where I was aksed to suit back up. The NCAA had granted us a 5th year. Just so happend that the alarm went off while I was putting my blue socks with paw prints on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 23, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
Were those socks navy blue and old gold with Grizzly paw prints??  where are all the MSJ smack talkers??  This board boring this year.  The weather can't be that fair in the Queen City can it?  I know the bungels suck and Cincy High Schools are having trouble beating Indy schools but come on??

I will start the smack with this:  If MSJ thinks they are going to run on FC they may need to think again.  The QB better warm up the gun because if Rupp and company get rolling, 3-4 yards a carry won't cut it.

It's a shame the MSJ wasn't able to score 30 points combined at home against Anderson and RHI.  This game was way bigger on the schedule back around labor day.

FC will be motivated as they did MSJ a scheduling favor with two games in a row down south.  It will just be that much better when we roll on the road again this year.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 23, 2008, 04:30:34 PM
that is a way to liven it up in here...even Defiance will likely put up more than 30 against Andy and RHIT. dont think it will be a W this week but will score at least 10pts against Andy
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2008, 11:26:39 PM
I agree..  I think we've gotten to know eachother too well on here... at the expense of good old-fashioned chit talking. 

I remember back in the day of calling Sayer out on here (not remembering that I "hosted" him on a recruiting visit in 1999 before the Carnegie Mellon game) following a game Thomas More won at Mariemont HS.  He made a block right in front of me on TMC's bench (I was on the field) and started running his pie hole to our bench.  I don't think they gained another yard on that drive (their offense was basically hand off to some other midget sized RB and hope for the best or throw the ball high and usually short to Wellendorf).   The offense definitely has a good QB now and their RBs are better as well.  I'm not sure about the line, Sayer's mates were probably the best MSJ has had.

I remember playing MSJ my senior year in the scrimmage on the new field (they waited until we were coming off a 3-7 season to even schedule a scrimmage with TMC following the 1995 DEBACLE at Lockland) , and seeing some turd from my HS starting at DB as a freshman or sophomore and thinking "You've got to be kidding me?" .  We "won" that day to make MY all-time record against the Lions 2-0. 

Don't get me started on Defiance/South Florida "one year and done" Technical College, Bluffton "Our coach didn't realize you suspended 7 offensive starters until the 3rd quarter" Beavers, Hanover "we're a bunch of cake-eaters" Panthers, Anderson "we're all a bunch of midgets" Ravens, Manchester United or Franklin "We beat the pizz out of you 66-0" Grizzlies.

How's that for chit talking? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 24, 2008, 06:52:07 AM
Not bad Saints Fan.  anybody ready for another 'smore and a couple verses of "kum-ba-ya" 

As a side note: The song kum-ba-ya was originally associated with unity and closeness, but more recently is also alluded to sarcastically to connote a blandly pious and naively optimistic view of the world and human nature.[1]


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2008, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 23, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
Were those socks navy blue and old gold with Grizzly paw prints??  where are all the MSJ smack talkers??  This board boring this year.  The weather can't be that fair in the Queen City can it?  I know the bungels suck and Cincy High Schools are having trouble beating Indy schools but come on??

I will start the smack with this:  If MSJ thinks they are going to run on FC they may need to think again.  The QB better warm up the gun because if Rupp and company get rolling, 3-4 yards a carry won't cut it.

It's a shame the MSJ wasn't able to score 30 points combined at home against Anderson and RHI.  This game was way bigger on the schedule back around labor day.

FC will be motivated as they did MSJ a scheduling favor with two games in a row down south.  It will just be that much better when we roll on the road again this year.


Even though I do like trash talking, considering I've been listening to it for over ten years from 70dcalum, it's funny it coming from someone who has only been around since Franklin has been good.  I do like the initiative though.

SaintsFan- will you remind TMC fans to come to games w/ shoes on & a shirt under their overalls. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 24, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
FC will continue to be good for quite some time.  To be honest, I really never spent much time on the football boards but have been a long time basketball person.  With Hanover pretty much sucking in every sport most of the fun is gone out of that. 

To be honest, I wish FC played in the same conference as Wabash (we wouldn't win as easily but there are more good teams top to bottom in football).  FC would be very competitive in basketball in either conference.  The two wabash/fc games the last two season prior were all out wars until the last tick.  Possibly FC will get to play Wabash in the playoffs? Hopefully no Mount Union (I see Trine getting that game)  FC will probably be on the road at Wabash or maybe North Central.  The lost to Trine killed any home playoff game (assuming FC makes it)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2008, 12:43:35 AM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 24, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
FC will continue to be good for quite some time.  To be honest, I really never spent much time on the football boards but have been a long time basketball person.  With Hanover pretty much sucking in every sport most of the fun is gone out of that. 

To be honest, I wish FC played in the same conference as Wabash (we wouldn't win as easily but there are more good teams top to bottom in football).  FC would be very competitive in basketball in either conference.  The two wabash/fc games the last two season prior were all out wars until the last tick.  Possibly FC will get to play Wabash in the playoffs? Hopefully no Mount Union (I see Trine getting that game)  FC will probably be on the road at Wabash or maybe North Central.  The lost to Trine killed any home playoff game (assuming FC makes it)
To be honest I wish you would say the NCAC has better teams top to bottom.   
I do agree that the NCAC is a better conference, but not by far.  Witt is not as strong as they used to be, I'm still up in the air w/ how good Wooster really is, & Wabash seems to be the only dominant team in the conference that stands out.  Hopefully Franklin & Wabash will meet in the playoffs assuming Franklin wins out.
If Trine wins out they may be seeded ahead of Franklin due to record & the W over Franklin, plus Mount may not be in the same region & go east again leaving the north with UWW(not better).   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2008, 12:59:43 AM
Don't forget that the North region also has the SLIAC and NathCon - the #8 seed may be neither the HCAC or MIAA rep.

IF Trine wins out, I suspect they would be at least the #6.  And I doubt a 9-1 Franklin (IF that happens) would be #8.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 25, 2008, 07:49:22 AM
I haven't been paying much attention to the HCAC this year except to see that my prediction with the MSJ program is taken shape.  What is going on with Rose Hulman, how did they turn it around so fast?  I thought it was a big upset that they beat MSJ but I guess it wasn't as big of an upset as I thought.  Do they have a chance of knocking off Franklin? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2008, 08:43:29 AM
That was after an interception, so how could we have put up anymore yards? That was one hell of a football game that year. So I was a prick, I got the job done. And we got revenge the following year. It was funny to hear, when already down 26-0, a TMC player say "this team sucks, they play HS teams." Tepee promptly got in his face and stated "We're kicking your ass so what does that tell you about yourself." Slack-jawed Yokels.

I don't talk much trash anymore. I know MSJ isn't the same team as they were the last 4 years. I realize that if they don't play exceptionally well on defense and if they can't PTR, it will be a long day. I'm not a "Homer" I'm a realist. The only reason why I used to talk was because I had the chance to back it up.

If I were playing Franklin this year, I would call out their whole team, including the punk-a$$ QB, and state something along the lines that I would bring brown bag lunches so the D-line wouldn't feel left out of the stat column. The bag might even be put to better use being placed on their heads to hide their shame because deep down inside, they know I'm better than them. The kid playing over me (when I played he was a 6'4" 350 pound slob) would regret the day he ever decided to play for Franklin and remind them that when Franklin recruited me, I laughed at the guy because their program was a joke....but that is only if I were playing Franklin. And I guarentee, I would back up every word I said!

It's not PTR today....it's PTFR!


Big game today against Roger Bacon. I appreciate the early morning sh1t talkin. Got me fired up ready to play. Unfortnately, I'm not going to be able to make the game cause our game is at 1:00
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2008, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2008, 12:59:43 AM
Don't forget that the North region also has the SLIAC and NathCon - the #8 seed may be neither the HCAC or MIAA rep.

IF Trine wins out, I suspect they would be at least the #6.  And I doubt a 9-1 Franklin (IF that happens) would be #8.

No SLIAC team will make the playoffs in the North bracket. Only Huntingdon or LaGrange has a real shot at getting in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2008, 02:46:20 PM
Wow, DC's kicker misses a 31 yard field goal!  The kicker on my middle school team could hit 31 yard field goals & be consistent too.  DC is up 7-0 at halftime. 
How about the Franklin-MSJ game, 26-7 Franklin right before the half. 
Nittanybacker- RHIT's opponents currently have a 12-29 record combined.  I wouldn't really say they have turned it around yet. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2008, 04:09:38 PM
DC up 21-13 in fourth, but DC is making some questionable calls on offense to keep the clock ticking.  DC is averaging 5.6 yards per carry yet they are still trying to throw the ball.  Plus DC's has about 6 interference calls against them.  This game is still up in the air.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
Wow!  Mount 35 Franklin 40 in the 4th.  Nice comeback, but I don't know if MSJ has enough time. 
DC is looking to get their first win of the year.  While I was typing, DC threw an interception.  Less than two minutes left in the game & DC is throwing the ball. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2008, 07:28:45 PM
Thiel 14
Thomas More 45   F


We're looking at a HUGE game for the PAC Title and trip to the playoffs next weekend in Crestview Hills when W&J visits.

Freshman RB Kendall Owens scored on another long TD (from 40 yds out) and had 95 yards on 8 carries.  Stellman was 9-11 with 129 yds and 2 TDs.  Junior RB Collier had 12 carries for 93 yds and 2 TDs as Thomas More rolled up 503 yds of offense (326 of it was rushing yardage).  The defense had 5 sacks and 3 Fumble recoveries to hold Thiel in check.   Thiel scored their second TD and had 100 yards of offense against the backups, who were put in the game in the 3rd quarter with Thomas More up 42-7.   The Saints never trailed.

88 players saw the field for the Saints today. 

Next weekend is huge... then the Saints go to Beaver Falls, PA to play Geneva .. followed by the Bridge Bowl. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 25, 2008, 07:42:13 PM
hell yea DC with a big win!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 25, 2008, 08:14:30 PM
FC holds on for a 40-35 win.  MSJ plays hard in the second half and makes a couple of great plays but not enough to overcome a first half a$$ beating.  as they say it aint pretty but its a W.  on to RHIT next week at FC

hats off to msj for not quitting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 26, 2008, 12:27:54 AM
We're you expecting them to quit??? Every team has a backbone...some just don't realize it. MSJ will always play tough and will never quit as lonmg as Rod Huber is there. The day that happens, if ever, is the day I say I'm ashamed to be a graduate. Franklin can suck the sh!t from my a$$. We were 3-1 against them and aside from my senior year, when we had 3 OL either out or playing a different spot, the game was no contest.

We lose 17-13. Took the lead 13-10 with 1:28 left and couldn't hold on. Ohio State pees down their leg. MSJ loses a close one. My only hope is the Bengals and we all knows what happens when you put your faith in Mike Brown. It's a very bad thing to say, but I hope some redneck assasinates him sometime soon. I hate Mike Brown more than I hate Michigan and Hanover combined. I need to keep drinking. I still have some cognitive thoughts.

I'm really pist at the fact that people don't understand the little parts of football. Like getting away from a short punt, running the proper route (we have a kid in week 10 who still cant run a proper bubble route), taking on a block with the proper shoulder. I don't know how any coach can live past 40 cause I'm going crazy.

Please, if anyone knows a guy named Coach Higgins from Moeller. Let me know. He's a man after my own heart. He once told a kid "You're so bad I wish you were dead." When it came to hard asses, he was the hardest. I never knew him personally, but I wish I did. He and I would have a lot to talk about. I wish more people would take the "Old School" approach to coaching but today's society won't let it happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2008, 04:39:34 AM
adam,

even though I was a QB... I feel you.  Probably mostly because you were drinking .  I can identify with that.  Its fun.  I didn't know Higgins, but knew of him through some of the Moeller guys I played with (and not the turds from Moeller that you played with).  Shame that he passed on the way he did... but his lessons live on in the guys that he coached...who have become coaches and fathers. 

A win is a win, but IMO Franklin has won TOO ugly against DECENT teams this year.  BW is decent, Trine is decent, MSJ is decent ... all of them.   MSJ having heart is one characteristic that you can count on..  I don't think this Franklin team is as good as last years... or even the 2006 version.  Sorry, I just don't.  Doesn't matter what you tell me.   This is a down year for the HCAC.  MSJ is tough as nails and Franklin beats decent teams but after that you have piles of poo.  Kind of like the PAC .. Thomas More/W&J and then DOO-DOO piles. 

I just got home (note the time) from Black Finn (somehow I got ushered behind the red rope in the VIP where I didn't pay for anything).  Well, maybe not home from BF.. I met a younger, female fan of SaintsFAN and we went and hung out at the After Hours spots.  We were celebrating because (I know Adam is going to hate this) I put some large denomination bills down on Penn State to win tonight.  As you can imagine, I was on pins and needles the whole way until Pryor's INT at the end.  WOW... Ohio State can play some defense against teams in the Big Ten.  BUT, I can't believe that Boeckmann didn't play at all.  Seems that maybe he'd have helped them to a little more than 2 FG's. 

OK, I've written enough and the young lady mentioned above is texting me.  I'm out.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 26, 2008, 09:16:10 AM
I agree FC is a cog or two off from last year. 

The running game isn't as stout and the defensive backfield struggles to make plays when they absolutely have too.  FC doesn't run the ball well on a standard off-tackle type play. Most of the time they get good running yards off of a draw or some sort of pitch.

The HCAC is down to some degree is you measure MSJ and DC's current situations. But Anderson is better and RHI may have their best team ever. 

Bottom line, wins are wins and FC will take them as they come.  Winning ugly is still winning. MSJ has won a few ugly games as well in the past.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 26, 2008, 10:38:04 AM
Adam- My brother played under Coach Higgins and from his stories he did sound like a guy that you didn't want to mess with. 

I had to run downstairs this morning and check Sportscenter to make sure Penn State did win last night.  Being a Bengals fan I just assume my teams will lose and break my heart.  I really didn't know how to celebrate after the win.

It sounds like the the departure of Hilvert and Sparhawk along with the arrival of Soriano is catching up with MSJ.  I went to the Thomas More game yesterday and Hilvert has that program going in the right direction.  I will be there next week to see the game with W&J. 

So who do you think Franklin will play in the first round and what seed do you think they can get?  The HCAC has to be able to win a playoff cant they?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: nittanybacker on October 26, 2008, 10:38:04 AM
So who do you think Franklin will play in the first round and what seed do you think they can get?  The HCAC has to be able to win a playoff cant they?

Assuming they get past Rose-Hulman, I don't see Franklin any higher than a 6 seed in the North.  Losing to Trine will cost them at least one seed.  A lot depends on what the committee does with Mt. Union (send them East?) and the WIAC champ (send them West?).  Right now, I would have North Central, Wabash, Case Western, Otterbein, Trine/Adrian winner, and then Franklin, followed by Wheaton and the Aurora/Lakeland winner, assuming Mt. Union and UW-Whitewater get sent elsewhere.  Any way you slice it, Franklin will be hitting the road, most likely to either Wabash or Case, both of whom will be pretty tough to beat at home.  Still a lot of football to be played between now and then, so it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 26, 2008, 12:42:31 PM
Congrats to DC for the win against Anderson yesterday. Now take that one and build on it.

Sayer: "I would call out the whole team including their punk-ass QB."
Now THAT's the ol' Adam Sayer I remember. Dude, when you coming down to fish with me again. Maybe you and cave2bens can come at the same time and we'll have us a merry old time. We'll get on the marine band radio and I'll set the squawk as high as I can get it and we'll take turns with the mic talking smack to the whole east coast.

PS: Did DC actually have a head football coach back in the mid 50s to early 60s named Dick Small? Whoa!

And what costume shall the poor girl wear to all tomorrow's parties?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Schwami on October 26, 2008, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: nittanybacker on October 26, 2008, 10:38:04 AM
So who do you think Franklin will play in the first round and what seed do you think they can get?  The HCAC has to be able to win a playoff cant they?

Assuming they get past Rose-Hulman, I don't see Franklin any higher than a 6 seed in the North.  Losing to Trine will cost them at least one seed.  A lot depends on what the committee does with Mt. Union (send them East?) and the WIAC champ (send them West?).  Right now, I would have North Central, Wabash, Case Western, Otterbein, Trine/Adrian winner, and then Franklin, followed by Wheaton and the Aurora/Lakeland winner, assuming Mt. Union and UW-Whitewater get sent elsewhere.  Any way you slice it, Franklin will be hitting the road, most likely to either Wabash or Case, both of whom will be pretty tough to beat at home.  Still a lot of football to be played between now and then, so it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.


Whitewater is in the West region.  I doubt that Mount Union gets moved east again this year, but maybe Otterbein will be moved east as a Pool C.  Regardlless, it is probable that the HCAC champ will have a road game against a difficult opponent in the first round.  Maybe a rematch of last year's classic Franklin - North Central game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2008, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 26, 2008, 12:42:31 PM


PS: Did DC actually have a head football coach back in the mid 50s to early 60s named Dick Small? Whoa!


Not sure about football but he did coach track because they always had the Dick Small invitational every spring becuase the track folks always had the tshirts on and i would lose it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 26, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 26, 2008, 12:42:31 PM
Congrats to DC for the win against Anderson yesterday. Now take that one and build on it.

Sayer: "I would call out the whole team including their punk-ass QB."
Now THAT's the ol' Adam Sayer I remember. Dude, when you coming down to fish with me again. Maybe you and cave2bens can come at the same time and we'll have us a merry old time. We'll get on the marine band radio and I'll set the squawk as high as I can get it and we'll take turns with the mic talking smack to the whole east coast.

PS: Did DC actually have a head football coach back in the mid 50s to early 60s named Dick Small? Whoa!

And what costume shall the poor girl wear to all tomorrow's parties?

Sayer - Mr. P makes a good point.  A couple of days in the company of "old school curmudgeons" might be what the doctor ordered, or might get you canned within the following week in politically-correct society.  ;)  Catch a $79 AirTran ducat from Dayton to ATL, and we'll have a quick roadtrip down to Joe's chummin' trawler.  No sweat...

Yes JacketsFan, "Oh it's twue, it's twue...".  Coach Small's wife is a very accomplished organist (and former music prof) as well.  Peel the 'nanner costume, a lap around Soho, and don a Campbell's Soup Can disguise, Nico.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2008, 02:14:30 PM
[quote author=fc_alum_84 link=topic=5025.msg963340#msg963340 date=1225026970
Bottom line, wins are wins and FC will take them as they come.  Winning ugly is still winning. MSJ has won a few ugly games as well in the past.
[/quote]

We covered the ugly wins for MSJ back when they were still the dominant team in the HCAC (2006, if you want to go back in the archives).  Nobody is ganging up on the Franklin team -- The subject today is Franklin.. thats why nobody is talking about MSJ's "ugly wins"... that AND they aren't the flag-bearing member of the HCAC with the shot at finally winning the HCAC a playoff game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 26, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
I assume Sayer was drunk and just being funny.  Say what you want about FC and Rupp but "punka$$" seems a bit harsh.  Let's face it he is not a Peyton Manning or a Vince Palmer but he is serviceable.

Personally I hope we are matched up with Wabash in the playoffs.  Win or lose both teams and their respective fans have really enjoyed the recent games and atmosphere at both schools.  It would be a great way to end a season for either school.

Does anyone really think FC is not going to win out??.  RHIT is at home.  FC has only lost two games at home in the last seasons to date.  10-0 MSJ in 2006 and North Central in the playoffs on a last second pass last season.  FC by 14 or more is my early line.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 26, 2008, 04:01:35 PM
If Franklin wins out I still wouldn't think they would get slotted ahead of Wheaton or Trine/Adrain.  With our conference's strength I don't see the HCAC champ getting higher than a 7 seed. 
It would be awesome to see Mount Union go East & any of the UW teams go west though. 

JacketsFan- Yes DC did have a coach named Dick Small.  He would tell us that it was embarrassing in the military when the he would be called, "Small, Dick Small!" :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 26, 2008, 06:58:18 PM
FC IMO will not get slotted ahead of Wheaton but they may get slotted ahead of Trine.  The lost to Trine was more of an fluke.  MSJ would beat Trine.   FC still needs to win next week before any talk about playoff seedings occurs and they need to win by more than the five points they won by yesterday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 26, 2008, 07:51:08 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 26, 2008, 06:58:18 PM
FC IMO will not get slotted ahead of Wheaton but they may get slotted ahead of Trine.  The lost to Trine was more of an fluke.  MSJ would beat Trine.   FC still needs to win next week before any talk about playoff seedings occurs and they need to win by more than the five points they won by yesterday.
I'm wondering if the selection committee will use "fluke" as a basis for seeding a team in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2008, 10:01:51 AM
That answer is no.  Head to head is big. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 27, 2008, 11:52:42 AM
Mike Singletary is my Hero...we need that kind of attitude in Cincy
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 27, 2008, 12:01:54 PM
While everyone is talking about the playoffs, seedings, etc.,  ... does anyone want to say anything about Hanover's first win this season over Manchester?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Drunk, frustrated, angry...all came into play late Saturday night. I was 0-4. Purcell, Ohio State, MSJ, and the Bengals all lost. With the exception of the Bungles, they were all close games. One of the few things I remember Saturday night was screaming at the TV when the Ohio State player ran into the punter. Luckily, there was no call. Pryor made his first real mistake of the season and it came at possibly the worst time. They had a chance to put Penn State away.

Hanover has to start somewhere and I guess beating Manchester is their starting point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2008, 12:29:03 PM
All the talk this week should be about Franklin vs. RHIT.  After this weekend there will only be 1 unbeaten team in conference action. 
I still think RHIT is overrated, but I could be proved wrong.  Still, they really haven't played anyone dominant (sorry MSJ) & haven't really been able to stop teams from scoring which Franklin does very well.  It doesn't help that the game in a Franklin too. 

I guess will talk a little about DC vs. Hanover too.  Both team picked up their first win last week against teams that were favored over them.  The question is, who can make it two in a row?  I think DC has the edge on defense, but ofcourse Hanover has the edge on offense.  All in all I think it will be an ugly game, & if DC can eliminate their mistakes they'll take this one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2008, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 27, 2008, 12:29:03 PM
I guess will talk a little about DC vs. Hanover too.  Both team picked up their first win last week against teams that were favored over them.  The question is, who can make it two in a row?  I think DC has the edge on defense, but ofcourse Hanover has the edge on offense.  All in all I think it will be an ugly game, & if DC can eliminate their mistakes they'll take this one.

scoreless tie (game called due to darkness)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 27, 2008, 01:36:52 PM
Just how bad are the Bengals. Bill Cowher said he wouldn't mind coaching the Bengals as long as they got a different General Manager. Just don't see that happenning in the near future. Looks like my Brownies pulled off a win yesterday to take control of being the #1 profeesional football team in the state of Ohio. ;D.

In regards to the RHIT/Franklin game RHIT can control their own destiny. If RHIT wins they win the conference even if they would lose their final game to Anderson. If Franklin wins then RHIT would need for both Hanover and Manchester to beat Franklin and also beat Anderson to claim the title. I don't see either Hanover or Manchester beating Franklin.

This makes this matchup look like the the game of the year in the HCAC. I look for both teams coming in with their "A" game.

I still look for Franklin to win this game by at least two scores. Even though Franklin's Defense has been giving up points this year(some of those due to offensive turnovers), I believe they are still rated the #1 defense in the conference to date and I just do not see RHIT holding Franklin below 50 points.

I believe the Misses and I will be making the 1 1/2 hour trip North to take in the game on Saturday. Extended forecast shows temperatures in mid to high 50's and partly cloudy with no rain in the forecast making it perfect football weather.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2008, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2008, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 27, 2008, 12:29:03 PM
I guess will talk a little about DC vs. Hanover too.  Both team picked up their first win last week against teams that were favored over them.  The question is, who can make it two in a row?  I think DC has the edge on defense, but ofcourse Hanover has the edge on offense.  All in all I think it will be an ugly game, & if DC can eliminate their mistakes they'll take this one.

scoreless tie (game called due to darkness)
Watch it Kev or I won't root for your Saints this weekend. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
Kevin...where are we headin for the Bridge Bowl? I'd love to join you next  weekend for the W & J game but the Ol Lady and myself will be in Chicago.

So far, MSJ has lost 3 games by 12 points. At Purcell, we lost 6 games this year by a combined 29 points. I think if you multiply the 12 and 29, you still won't get what the Bengals will lose their 16 games by. We're still going strong for perfection.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 weeks of relaxation before wrestling season starts. Not going to lie. This has been the most frustrating year of football out of the 16 I've coached/played.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2008, 02:32:02 PM
If your bored and lonely on a Friday night, below is the website for the Ohio High School playoffs. It doesn't have where the game is located. Usually the top 4 seeds from each region host the 1st round game.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/default.asp
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: thunderlb37 on October 27, 2008, 05:08:06 PM
What do you mean Trine beating Franklin was a fluke?  If you would have watched the game you would have seen that Trines defense created and capitalized on turnovers with touchdowns.  Fluke I think not.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 27, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
ThunderLB  "fluke" may be a bit strong but five turnovers and giving up 3 3rd and double digit situations (two on same drive) and still having several chances to win (and still only losing by 3 points) doesn't qualify as lining up and beating somebody straight-up.  FC played poorly and didnt take care of the ball and got beat by a team they should not have lost too but deserved to lose to that day.

I would rather play Trine any day on the road versus MSJ.  IMO MSJ would beat Trine more often than not.

Trine needs to take care of business with Adrian before they start any playoff talk.  36-35 over Kalamazoo is not  a statement win.




Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 27, 2008, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 27, 2008, 12:29:03 PM
All the talk this week should be about Franklin vs. RHIT.  After this weekend there will only be 1 unbeaten team in conference action. 
I still think RHIT is overrated, but I could be proved wrong.  Still, they really haven't played anyone dominant (sorry MSJ) & haven't really been able to stop teams from scoring which Franklin does very well.  It doesn't help that the game in a Franklin too. 

I guess will talk a little about DC vs. Hanover too.  Both team picked up their first win last week against teams that were favored over them.  The question is, who can make it two in a row?  I think DC has the edge on defense, but ofcourse Hanover has the edge on offense.  All in all I think it will be an ugly game, & if DC can eliminate their mistakes they'll take this one.


FC needs to come out and play their game on both sides of the ball and the score will take care of itself.  Hats of to RHIT as they have had one of their best season's ever but I still think they will need to play extremely well to keep this one close.  FC has lost four games in the last 2 2/3 seasons and all were to ranked playoff teams except for Trine (who did make the top 25).  Not bad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on October 27, 2008, 08:12:38 PM
Fluke just might be a little strong. But, what Trine did have was 2 more yards of offense on 24 more plays and no scoring drive over 40 yards. They can thank Franklins turnovers for that. Trine just beat Kalamazoo on a last second two point conversion and Kal got beat by Bluffton. I dont know if fluke is the word, FC gave up a lot of turnovers and they deserved to lose on that day, any other day would be different.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: extraflavor on October 27, 2008, 08:24:51 PM
I haven't been on here in a long time but I want to congratulate the Grizzlies on their continuing success.  I played under Leonard there and he's a great head coach.  I think the game that changed the whole program around was when Rupp was a freshmen and started for the 1st time against Hanover.  We won 45-15.  It was the first time in school history that a player played offense, defense, and special teams.  It might be first time in D3 but anyway keep the ball rollin' Griz!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
In Division III that happens fairly frequently. I saw Augsburg's Royce Winford do it earlier this year. Coe's Tommy Breitbach has done it frequently.

Seeing as those are just two examples of players doing it at a high level, I'm sure there are many more who do it but don't stand out as much.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 27, 2008, 09:57:41 PM
Thanks, Pat..  Jesus. 

Some of you guys are like freaking media in here.  Slanted views of the world and won't convince neutral observers to drink your kool-aid. 

Fluke is way strong a word, as GrizzlyBall said.  Back when I played college football, if an opponent converted 3 3rd and LONGs against us.. we used to say we got outplayed... and so would our coaches.  5 Turnovers may have been a fluke last season or the year before, fc84...but I would venture to say (the stats aren't available from last year) that with 16 turnovers through 7 games... Franklin is turning the ball over more this year than last (and may have already surpassed last year's total).   

has_been,

I got you... but you should root for Thomas More this weekend anyhow as they take on the PAC's 600 lb Gorilla. 

Sayer,

Bridge Bowl drinking?  I know of a pre-party at a neighborhood bar... but you have to wear a TMC shirt.  Luckily, I have one for you.  We can talk as we get closer.  Answer your dam phone.

KYGrizz,

At least the freaking Lions are competitive.  The Bengals have ZERO chance in their games.  Everytime you look up at 2 1/2 minutes are gone in the first Quarter, they've already given up a TD.  I think even Manchester United (or Womanchester for losing to a terrible Hanover team) might be more competitive in the NFL.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on October 27, 2008, 11:32:45 PM
There was a time in memory (when men were men and football was football) that every or almost every starter in college football played offense, defense and special teams. A little before the commencement of my memory on the subject that condition also applied to pro football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 28, 2008, 06:44:05 AM
for the record I qualified the fluke comment as a bit strongas well.  My intent was that FC played very poorly and Trine played well.  FC is a better team than Trine week in and week out but on the week they played Trine deserved the win as they took advantage of several FC mistakes. 

A muffed punt and another punt whereby the punter didn't get out of the way on a short punt directly cost FC the game as Trine was given the ball twice in the red zone and scored. 

It doesn't matter now. A win against RHIT and FC should cruise to a road game in the playoffs (prob against Wabash or North Central).  Unless Womanchester or the Mighty Panthers rise up and smite the Grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2008, 12:09:58 PM
TMC shirt??? I'll sport the old black and blue #60. I'm never home and our home phone doesn't charge very well. I get about 5-10 minutes of talk time if I'm lucky. Call the Ol Lady's cell (the columbus #). You'll have better luck getting to me.

I think MSJ will finish 7-3. I'll take that for a down year considering days of old were 2-8 and 3-7 seasons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2008, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2008, 12:09:58 PM


I think MSJ will finish 7-3. I'll take that for a down year considering days of old were 2-8 and 3-7 seasons.

3 losses huh?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 28, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2008, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2008, 12:09:58 PM


I think MSJ will finish 7-3. I'll take that for a down year considering days of old were 2-8 and 3-7 seasons.

3 losses huh?

I guess we already know by Sayer's prediction who is going to win the Bridge Bowl. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2008, 12:45:47 PM
Yeah no kidding.  Hopefully MSJ's players think its a done deal also. 

I will say this... the team speed on TMC is going to be unlike anything they've seen on their schedule the previous 9 games.  It starts when teams kick to us/or we cover the opening kickoff.  The PAC schools have been overwhelmed by it and the big-play ability as a result. 

Stellman has not thrown an INT this season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 28, 2008, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2008, 12:45:47 PM
Stellman has not thrown an INT this season. 

well that is a difference from the QB's of the 90's
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2008, 01:19:09 PM
no kidding.. .I was always good for 2-3 per game.  So was Dustin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2008, 01:22:59 PM
About the Franklin/Trine game, I really hate when people make excuses for losses.  Franklin loss fair & square & to a team that may just be underrated.  Trine is 7-0 who cares if they beat the Zoo by scoring a 2pt conversion at the end.  They were done by 14 w/ under 5 minutes left & came back & won.  That is what a good team can do when their backs are against the wall.

Franklin is still looking good based upon what they've done this season so far.  Their nonconference opponets record is 16-5 & their lone loss is to a team that is 7-0.  I am assuming they are going to win out the rest of their HCAC competition & depending on their seed they get in the north region they could possibly set-up to win in the playoffs.

SaintsFan- don't get drawn into the Bridge Bowl.  You have bigger fish to fry this weekend.

Sayer- You should just worry about Manchester before you make predictions about winning out.

Go Jackets!!! Win two in a row (awesome that I have to actually get excited about winning two games in a row)! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2008, 02:24:59 PM
You're right, has_been.  Its actually my hope that we are resting our starters for the Bridge Bowl.  We'll see this weekend.  Our playoffs may be the Bridge Bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 11:59:44 AM
Manchester...they haven't been an issue since 2001 when our terrible 0-10 team lost to them...and that was a close game. To quote Supertroopers, when Manchester beats MSJ is when "me sh!t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert."

You heard it correct. 7-3. Now, you wonder what kind of mentality they have now that the playoffs are completely out of the picture. No one on the current team has experienced a record worse than 9-1 until this year. Every player on the current team has been in the playoffs every year they've been there as well. If you expect or are expected to be in the playoffs every year, then what happens when you're not? Where's your motivation. I think being the Bridge Bowl, they will have plenty, but you still have to wonder if not making the playoffs this year will have a major effect on their mentalities.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 11:59:44 AM
Manchester...they haven't been an issue since 2001 when our terrible 0-10 team lost to them...and that was a close game. To quote Supertroopers, when Manchester beats MSJ is when "me sh!t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert."

You heard it correct. 7-3. Now, you wonder what kind of mentality they have now that the playoffs are completely out of the picture. No one on the current team has experienced a record worse than 9-1 until this year. Every player on the current team has been in the playoffs every year they've been there as well. If you expect or are expected to be in the playoffs every year, then what happens when you're not? Where's your motivation. I think being the Bridge Bowl, they will have plenty, but you still have to wonder if not making the playoffs this year will have a major effect on their mentalities.
First, I don't Manchester is they same team from 2001 or years of recent.  They are a team on the up swing w/ a versatile qb.  Second, everyteam expects to get into the playoffs everyyear.  Finally, if MSJ's motivation is the Bridge Bowl, they would be looking ahead of their next opponent & that never turns out well.

This has been a pretty quite week considering the most important game is being played.  I still don't think RHIT has a chance & think Franklin is still well above everyone else in the conference, but crazier things have happened.  Also, I'm still excited about the DC/Hanover game b/c DC actually has a chance to make it two in a row ;D. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 02:49:37 PM
Regional rankings have been released & Franklin sits at 8 & RHIT at 10 in the north.  You can find the complete rankins at daily dose at the top of d3football.com's home page.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 02:25:24 PM

First, I don't Manchester is they same team from 2001 or years of recent.  They are a team on the up swing w/ a versatile qb.  Second, everyteam expects to get into the playoffs everyyear.  Finally, if MSJ's motivation is the Bridge Bowl, they would be looking ahead of their next opponent & that never turns out well.

You're right...they just got beat by the worst Hanover team that has ever been fielded. I don't think upswing is the word for it. And not every team expects to make it to the playoffs every year. I don't think DC, Hanover, or Manchester (to name a few HCAC teams) had playoff aspirations comming into the season. Sometimes, being competitive is good enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 02:25:24 PM

First, I don't Manchester is they same team from 2001 or years of recent.  They are a team on the up swing w/ a versatile qb.  Second, everyteam expects to get into the playoffs everyyear.  Finally, if MSJ's motivation is the Bridge Bowl, they would be looking ahead of their next opponent & that never turns out well.

You're right...they just got beat by the worst Hanover team that has ever been fielded. I don't think upswing is the word for it. And not every team expects to make it to the playoffs every year. I don't think DC, Hanover, or Manchester (to name a few HCAC teams) had playoff aspirations comming into the season. Sometimes, being competitive is good enough.
So you think teams such as, DC, Hanover, & Manchester come into the year saying, "Hey, if we win a few games that's a success!" ?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 11:59:44 AM
You heard it correct. 7-3. Now, you wonder what kind of mentality they have now that the playoffs are completely out of the picture. No one on the current team has experienced a record worse than 9-1 until this year. Every player on the current team has been in the playoffs every year they've been there as well. If you expect or are expected to be in the playoffs every year, then what happens when you're not? Where's your motivation. I think being the Bridge Bowl, they will have plenty, but you still have to wonder if not making the playoffs this year will have a major effect on their mentalities.

I understand what you are saying, Sayer.  Kind of like the 2006 game right??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2008, 05:13:45 PM
Thomas More is #10 in the South Regional Rankings... with a game against #3 this weekend in Crestview Hills. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 29, 2008, 05:47:02 PM
What's going on football world. Man it seems like a long time, since I have been on here. I have been busy with Teaching and Coaching! Wow, whats the deal with MSJ, already 3 conf defeats. Coach Hillvert team is undefeated, big game this weekend. Up and down season this year. Wow . Bengals 0-7, Ohio State 2 big defeats!! Tenn Titans undefeated wow!!! Oh Yeah Greg Oden hurt his foot last night!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2008, 07:24:02 PM
Interesting regional rankings.  While 7-0 must be taken into account, the likelihood that Trine is really ranked ahead of Wheaton is a real stretch.  I won't shocked to see Trine lose to Adrian but who knows.  They are 7-0 and deserve their spot in the limelight.

Thomas More certainly has a chance to make some noise this week.  How close should this game be??

I am going to put my prediction in writing (and hopefully won't have eat these words) but FC gets on RHIT early and often and wins 48-21.  RHIT's defense is suspect and a close inspection of their wins is also telling.  The word fluke has been bandied about this week.  To be honest Anderson and RHIT beating MSJ on the road would seem to be a bigger fluke than FC losing to Trine.  I have seen both MSJ and Anderson play this year and MSJ is by far the better team (at least at this point).

I am hoping for a Trine loss to Adrian to move FC up a notch (or someone to lose) as a trip to Mount Union won't be pretty for the Griz.  I am still holding out for a FC/Wabash tilt in Crawfordsville. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 02:25:24 PM

First, I don't Manchester is they same team from 2001 or years of recent.  They are a team on the up swing w/ a versatile qb.  Second, everyteam expects to get into the playoffs everyyear.  Finally, if MSJ's motivation is the Bridge Bowl, they would be looking ahead of their next opponent & that never turns out well.

You're right...they just got beat by the worst Hanover team that has ever been fielded. I don't think upswing is the word for it. And not every team expects to make it to the playoffs every year. I don't think DC, Hanover, or Manchester (to name a few HCAC teams) had playoff aspirations comming into the season. Sometimes, being competitive is good enough.
So you think teams such as, DC, Hanover, & Manchester come into the year saying, "Hey, if we win a few games that's a success!" ?

Yes I do. I think you have to be realistic as a coach. This year's Hanover team will measure success a lot differently than the mid to late 90's Hanover teams. In 2002, it was a success when we went 5-5, after the 0-10 year. By no means did we come in saying we were going to win the HCAC after being winless 2 years in a row (2000 they were 2-8 but winless in the HCAC). Rod Huber has admitted that we won a conference championship faster than they thought. After 2002, we thought we could be a playoff team and we damn near were losing to Hanover in a very close game. There is a reason why they say winning is a process....because teams don't go from being bad to being instantly good (by good I mean playoff caliber) the following year.

In a way, it's a lot like teaching. You're expectations need to be in line with where the abilities are. You can't expect a student with low abilities to complete the same type of work and achieve the same results as a student with higher abilities.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 29, 2008, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2008, 07:24:02 PM
I am going to put my prediction in writing (and hopefully won't have eat these words) but FC gets on RHIT early and often and wins 48-21.  RHIT's defense is suspect and a close inspection of their wins is also telling. 

I am still holding out for a FC/Wabash tilt in Crawfordsville. 

I agree - not sure the margin will be so one-sided, but Rose will be exposed this weekend as a pretender.  Their loss was to an average Greenville team, and victories over North Park by 3 and Earlham by 7 aren't exactly awe-inspiring.  Franklin's loss to Trine looks "better" each week as Trine continues to win.  Their game against Adrian should be a dandy, as Keith Jackson would say.

I think a lot of Wabash folk would like to play the Grizz again as well - the last two meetings have definitely been entertaining!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 30, 2008, 11:33:07 AM
Sayer I can't disagree w/ you more.  I would never go into a season as a coach w/ expctations of just improving little by little.  I would start every season preparing my team for a HCAC championship & an AQ to the playoffs no matter what my season was the year prior. 
Now that I know your mentality as a teacher & a coach.  Working to your ability is enough, never try to achieve more than that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2008, 02:33:07 PM
I wouldn't tell them that the hope is to win a few games by any means. The message you send and the message you keep to yourself as a coach are 2 different things. Nor did I say you don't prepare to win every game.  If I were at a lackluster program, and we were lining up to play Mt. Union, as a coach, I would spend the week preparing to win. Do I actually expect to beat Mt. Union in that position? Of course not. But you prepare the kids every game as if it's going to be a victory.

A great example was our game this year with Alter. They beat every team in the GCL North and South by an average of 46-5. Their closest game was 34-7 against Roger Bacon. The last 4 weeks of the year, they outscored opponents 192-14. Did we expect to beat Alter. Hell no. But we spent 6 hours breaking down film and putting together a scouting report on Saturday and coaching the kids throughout the week to believe that they could beat them if they played a great game. Those kids never once heard the phrase "Alter is a game where you just live to fight another day." Did we know it as coaches...yes, but the players did not. They believed at the start of the game, if they played well, they could beat Alter High School. That thought was quickly erased when it was 14-0 after 32 seconds.

As far as teaching is concerned, you'd be in for a rude awakening if you try to teach kids on a level where they are not. A guy named Vygotsky called it the "Zone of Proximal Development." Or simply, you pitch the ball where they can hit it. Do you challenge them as learners, yes, but slightly above their ability range.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 30, 2008, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2008, 02:33:07 PM
As far as teaching is concerned, you'd be in for a rude awakening if you try to teach kids on a level where they are not. A guy named Vygotsky called it the "Zone of Proximal Development." Or simply, you pitch the ball where they can hit it. Do you challenge them as learners, yes, but slightly above their ability range.
ZPD is the measure of what a learner can do on their own & what they can do w/ the aid of someone w/ more knowledge.  Scaffolding which was based off of Vygotsky's work would be more accurate based upon your assessment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 30, 2008, 03:33:31 PM
Sayer why didn't you have something like this when you played?

http://lunn65.blogspot.com/2008/10/cincy-losesyou-win-and-we-nickname.html


Not sure how his coach lets this go on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 30, 2008, 03:36:11 PM
I guess he doesn't know "Loose lips sink ships."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 30, 2008, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2008, 02:33:07 PM
I wouldn't tell them that the hope is to win a few games by any means. The message you send and the message you keep to yourself as a coach are 2 different things. Nor did I say you don't prepare to win every game.  If I were at a lackluster program, and we were lining up to play Mt. Union, as a coach, I would spend the week preparing to win. Do I actually expect to beat Mt. Union in that position? Of course not. But you prepare the kids every game as if it's going to be a victory.

A great example was our game this year with Alter. They beat every team in the GCL North and South by an average of 46-5. Their closest game was 34-7 against Roger Bacon. The last 4 weeks of the year, they outscored opponents 192-14. Did we expect to beat Alter. Hell no. But we spent 6 hours breaking down film and putting together a scouting report on Saturday and coaching the kids throughout the week to believe that they could beat them if they played a great game. Those kids never once heard the phrase "Alter is a game where you just live to fight another day." Did we know it as coaches...yes, but the players did not. They believed at the start of the game, if they played well, they could beat Alter High School. That thought was quickly erased when it was 14-0 after 32 seconds.

As far as teaching is concerned, you'd be in for a rude awakening if you try to teach kids on a level where they are not. A guy named Vygotsky called it the "Zone of Proximal Development." Or simply, you pitch the ball where they can hit it. Do you challenge them as learners, yes, but slightly above their ability range.

or Badin... you guys took a dump against them too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2008, 08:32:01 PM
I don't know how to blog but had someone showed me, I'd probably had set one up. One of UConn's coaches was down to talk with our HB this year.

I'd like to forget the Badin game. I seriously thought we would compete with them. Offensively I believe we did. They could not stop us running the ball...but when your QB turns the ball over 3 times in the first half and your defense can't stop anyone...makes life tough to comeback from 35-7 at the half.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 31, 2008, 01:05:30 PM
Funny Blog, i give him some credit takes stones to put it out there every week.  he did forget to mention the game was basically even with UC looking to take the lead until about 5 min left when UC piled up about 7 TO in the last 5 minutes mostly just horrid throws not generated by the D.  UCONN played their tales off but i thought UC was a better team just played the worse game ever (also played the 2nd half witht he 3rd string QB)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 31, 2008, 07:22:45 PM
His blogs are pretty good most of the time.  I saw a link to this from ESPN or SI.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2008, 11:28:23 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081101/SPT01/811010371/0/SPT030101

I guess they forgot to mention that TMC won every AMC Title in the early to mid 1990s.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 01, 2008, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2008, 11:28:23 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081101/SPT01/811010371/0/SPT030101

I guess they forgot to mention that TMC won every AMC Title in the early to mid 1990s.

So the AMC is history relegated to the stalls with Gremlins and Pacers?  ;D

Wonder which bottom feeder will emerge from the bluffs above the Ohio, today, to challenge the Beavers for the HCAC's, river bottom supremecy?

Sorry JacketsFan, but last night's inquiry/description might be deemed offensive (though extremely visual and precise)   :o ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 01, 2008, 04:39:18 PM
DC 31-28 against Handjob in OT.

Florida about to go 14-3 against Georgia in the second. Georgia coach Richt tried an onside kick two minutes into the second half and only down by 7. Florida recovered almost at the 50.

Dumbass Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 01, 2008, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on November 01, 2008, 04:39:18 PM


Dumbass Bulldogs.

RT tried to blow it, eh JP?   The only thing funnier was listening to the Hanover sportscaster touting the amazing leg of their kicker the whole last 1:10 of regulation, have him drill the 38 yarder to go to OT, and then have same, said kicker muff an 18 yd chippie from the one... but DC still didn't cover, again...

Regarding the puppies, AMEN!!!

"... and infect the Little Children - that's what the law had said;"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2008, 05:10:31 PM
W&J 29
TMC 34  F

Thomas More is 2008 PAC Champs..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 01, 2008, 05:58:21 PM
Congrats SaintsFan!  PAC champs!
Also congrats to Franklin.  Looking forward to them doing some damage in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 01, 2008, 06:10:08 PM
Well, holy cow! It's like deja vu all over again. Three years ago today, Richard, DC#92, playing against Anderson, recovered a fumble and ran it back to the four, where he was downed by an OL from Andy. DC scored on the next play. Today, three years later, on the same day DC plays Anderson, Florida Defensive Lineman Sanders, #92, picks up a fumble around the 40 and gets all the way back inside the red zone before being brought down by an OL from Ga. Florida scored on the next play.

Florida 35, Ga 3 with a minute left in the 3rd
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 01, 2008, 06:17:15 PM
Oops! Got a little carried away. DC was playing Hanover today, not Anderson. Still, it was very reminiscent watching a big ol' defensive lineman pick up a fumble and waddle it almost back to the goal line.

Bob, I know what's goofier than the Hanover sportscaster hyping the kicker's leg . One of the Florida-Georgia game sportscasters kept talking early in the second about how devastating Georgia's play action was being against Florida's defense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 01, 2008, 07:12:10 PM
Congrats to the Saints!!!  There is a reason the games are played.

FC took care of business and absolutely whipped RHIT today.  The lone 7 points they scored were a result of blown kick coverage. 42-7 was the final score.  RHIT can go back to Terre Haute and figure out what train ran over them.  FC finally looked like a team that might be getting ready for the playoffs.

Up next is Womanchester in North Manchester.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2008, 01:19:51 AM
Thanks FC... it was CLEAR today who was the better team.  A couple W&J fans on the PAC board said that the Saints "clearly outplayed and outcoached" W&J.  The score shouldn't have been that close, but that QB and his two receivers are studs for the Presidents.  When we went up 35-14 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd... we started the party.  We had to hold on because of the QB/WR trio of W&J and some VERY questionable calls... Thomas More was penalized 12 times to W&J's 6 times for 106 yards.  You had back judges running in front of side judges on 5 yard out's throwing penalty flags on our DB's... when the side judge, who was standing right there, didn't see the need for a flag on the clean play. 

Our defense played great despite all that, making W&J drive the field in 6+ minutes to get it to two TDs and we held on from there.  The defense held W&J off the scoreboard following a blocked punt where they took over on our 10 yard line.  The offense scores points (Collier, Knott and Stellman were the leading rushers today) but today the defense played very well also. 

We'll see MSJ in two weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 02, 2008, 08:17:52 AM
SaintsFan, Congras in TMC big win.

Franklin is now one win away from back to back HCAC Championships, as they dominated RHIT the whole game.

Any word on the QB's injury for RHIT. Hope it is not serious as he is one of the top pitchers in the conference .

Congrats Franklin and go out and take care of business next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on November 02, 2008, 10:58:51 AM
Congrats to TMC and FC both!

What a day of football yesterday.  I don't know about the rest of you, but that Texas/Texas Tech game was pretty damn good!  And that was only one of several amazing finishes.  It seems like there have been a ton of amazing finishes this year.

Oh, and congrats to DC too!  I just can't get excited about anything they do this year. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 02, 2008, 11:54:39 AM
Belated congrats to TMC and the Griz (cavesMom still hungover from prune juice OD).  Speaking of hangovers, has JacketsFan recovered from the brat and beer bolus this morning?  Still chuckling over the Georgia post mortem in today's Atlanta fishwrap.   ;D

After Wabash let the clock expire, while camped on Oberlin's 1 and already up 47-nil before half, took an opportunity to switch video feed over to San Antonio.  Juan Joseph and Millsaps are certainly as good as advertised, and the North and South Regions should have some real donnybrooks during the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 02, 2008, 07:39:17 PM
A belated congratulations to SaintsFan and TMC, as well as to FC and the rest of the Grizz. Congrats to DC on your second win this season.

A great big Orange and Blue Gator Nation shout out to UF for stomping the dog**** out of Georgia. That'll teach those miscreant mutts not to come down to Florida and swarm the field after their first touchdown again like they did last year. Bunch of yahoos. When they finally made a touchdown with a couple minutes left in the 4th quarter, it was against Urban Myers' back bench and there was no one left in the stadium to cheer for them except Florida fans. It was funny to watch the Florida players cheering for their opponents' touchdown while, in the background, all you could see were empty seats where the Georgia faithless had been sitting earlier.

Bob, I did not see the Atlanta Journal and Constipation pity-party over yesterday's game. If you've got the link, please send it.

That pick up the fumble and run by Florida's #92 Therron Sanders kinda gave me a lump in my throat. Ahhh, why do sons have to grow up so quick? Come on boys. Papa needs grandsons. Great big mean-ass defensive player grandsons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 02, 2008, 08:17:51 PM
Where is Mr Sayer this weekend? Is this the weekend he left town with Mrs Sayer.  No said posts related to his high school, D1, NFL, or MSJ this weekend.  The Bungels even won a game.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 03, 2008, 12:00:06 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on November 02, 2008, 07:39:17 PM

Bob, I did not see the Atlanta Journal and Constipation pity-party over yesterday's game. If you've got the link, please send it.


You may be able to pick up Mark Bradley's column on a link - sorry, but after a quick perusal of this morning's sports and Mrs. Cave's coupon clipping, the Urinal Constipation found its way to the appropriate receptacle.  Hell, we even have to offer the household Lab her weekend mouthwash for just retrieving that rag! 

Nice take on Florida - after six years in Austin, I suffered (?) similar giddiness seeing Mack Brown's burnt orange convicts and malcontents take one in the shorts during the last 1:29 in Lubbock.   ;D Fortunately, no more serious reaction as the dark pants were in the laundry hamper.   :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2008, 09:16:04 AM
Was in Chicago this weekend with no internet access. But I did happen to phone a friend and get the good word on TMC late Saturday night. He said W&J had two 20 play drives that resulted in 0 points. You do need to be worried about 2 stat lines though. 1/11 on 3rd downs and giving up two, 20-play drives. I know they didn't score any points, but if you give those kind of drives (15+ plays), 95% of the time, you're giving up points. They bowed up when they needed to and the young team grew a backbone. Props to Coach Hilvert and TMC. Those around here knew he could coach. I'm not aware of the teams who run the spread in the PAC, but I'm sure the days of playing Brett Dietz and Hanover helped to cook up something defensively for W&J.

I think the FC win against RHIT shows where the rest of the HCAC is compared to other conferences. Last year I thought we were taking steps forward as a conference, but this year was a giant leap backwards. It's a little disheartening.

If you're in Ohio and have a chance to see Coldwater play either in person or on TV...watch them. I don't think they've given up a defensive TD the entire year. The Glenville - St. Ignatius game should be a barnburner as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
You have a point about the HCAC.  It would be more fun with a little parity at the very top.  At least the last two years MSJ and FC fought a war for the title.  MSJ will be back but for the rest of the conference a big question mark.  Maybe Defiance will rise back to being a solid contender??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2008, 10:43:07 AM
Sayer,

1/11 on 3rd down isn't a big deal to a big play team.  Look at the number of 10+ yard runs. 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2008, 11:06:46 AM
It's a big deal to every team. You can't consistently win games against quality competition when you convert that few of third downs. That's 9.1%. Even big play teams need to be able to sustain drives because as we get further into Fall/Winter and the weather gets worse, you don't have as many opportunities for the big play. As an offense, that's one area where I would emphasize a need for improvement. You can't really complain about anything else. If TMC can keep up what they're doing, plus convert 40% or better on 3rd down. That's going to be a tough offense to stop.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
You have a point about the HCAC.  It would be more fun with a little parity at the very top.  At least the last two years MSJ and FC fought a war for the title.  MSJ will be back but for the rest of the conference a big question mark.  Maybe Defiance will rise back to being a solid contender??
I think if DC has a definite shot of returning as a contender in the HCAC conference.  They have alot of young guys that have contributed this season on both ends of the ball & if they stick around they will be back mixing things up. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 03, 2008, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 03, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
You have a point about the HCAC.  It would be more fun with a little parity at the very top.  At least the last two years MSJ and FC fought a war for the title.  MSJ will be back but for the rest of the conference a big question mark.  Maybe Defiance will rise back to being a solid contender??
I think if DC has a definite shot of returning as a contender in the HCAC conference.  They have alot of young guys that have contributed this season on both ends of the ball & if they stick around they will be back mixing things up. 

Retention is a key component, and that has become an issue at DC lately.  More explicit spew ( see page 229, #3426) from this curmudgeon is wasted rehash.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 03, 2008, 06:53:20 PM
Nice to see Longsdorf and Foos garner POW awards from Saturday.  It sounded like quite a battle in the fourth between Thiems (OPOW from Handjob) and the DC defensive back.  To think, Tom goaled his OT kick after some major hesitancy and a resultant TO from RT on 4th and 6 - are you kidding, Coach?  Arggghhhh.   ;)

Congrats to all three - it was an exciting radiocast  :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2008, 09:17:29 AM
At this point (though its early), some are predicting a Thomas More move to the North Region as a #5.  In the same predictions, they have Franklin as a #4.  This would put these two schools against eachother in Round 1. 

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 04, 2008, 11:33:09 AM
I would like to see TMC & Franklin in the 1st round.  It would be an exciting offensive game no doubt. I don't know if it will be likely for TMC to move from the South to the North. I think there will be a lot that happens in the south region that may have TMC possibly hosting a home game in the South region. 
Also, with the way the north looks I don't know if Franklin will even get to host a home game in the north unless they ship out NCC & Trine loses & CWRU loses or gets shiped east.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 05, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
who cares about the playoffs.  the real story is a winning streak in Defiance and continuing that streak against MSJ and Sayer checks into crappy football loss rehab.

was thinking of going to the Elder Northmont game at Nippert on Sat night.  see if my alma mater can finally make some waves in Region 4.  should be an interesting game with Elder's pass offense vs Northmont's defense loaded with D1 guys playing DB/LB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2008, 01:50:02 PM
I've been in rehab since I left MSJ.

My Ol Lady's school, Pickerington Central should make a bid for a title. They have 11 kids who've already been offered or committed to D1 schools.

I would say Defiance has no chance, but MSJ isn't what they once were and the weather foracst isn't good. 17-7 is my estimate.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2008, 02:17:57 PM
Did I miss something last year at MSJ when I saw Defiance get beat by Huber's bunch?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2008, 02:36:40 PM
I don't think DC is yet there to knock off MSJ, but anything can happen like RHIT beating MSJ.  If DC eliminates thier mistakes & gets some better play calling they may have a shot at this one.  They have been getting better each week & I'm hoping that trend continues & carries over to next year.

SaintsFan- nice to see TMC move to the 5 seed in the south.  If the Saints win out I think they'll have a shot at hosting a game in the south as I mentioned before.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
has_been,

They have a tough "trap game" this weekend....with an overnight to Beaver Falls, PA to play Geneva.  I've heard the defense is better than their stats for Geneva... we need to show up to play on Saturday and then finish off the season with MSJ.  It would be nice to finish 9-1 and get a high seed, but they still have two games to earn that.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2008, 07:36:33 PM
I think MSJ is a better team that the W-L indicates. DC shouldn't be a problem, but the weather forecast in Defiance, Ohio calls for rain and sloppy conditions are a good equalizer.

TMC had better not get happy. MSJ walked into the TMC game in 2006, 9-0 and expecting a home playoff game. They were more worried about who they were playing in the playoffs than TMC. They lost. I think the game will be along the lines of the 2003 game...which was one hell of a college football game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2008, 08:22:21 AM
Sayer,

Not a CHANCE of Thomas More looking past MSJ.  No way -- MSJ is going to get our best effort --and I agree, its going to be a great game.  MSJ had beaten Thomas More pretty handily in 2005, but MSJ kicked our a-s-ses last year in Delhi and took home the crappy new Bridge Bowl Trophy.    The two most important games of the year are W&J and MSJ (not necessarily in that order) and the Saints had all year to prepare for both. 

If the players look past Geneva this weekend, they'll get beat up there.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2008, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2008, 08:22:21 AM
Sayer,
the crappy new Bridge Bowl Trophy.   
If the players look past Geneva this weekend, they'll get beat up there.   

The new one may not be an actual trophy, then again the other one wasn't either, but it looks a hell of a lot better than the ceramic pot some Stoner made back in the day of the Blue Rebels.

By the way...parent teacher conferences tonight...not looking forward to the comment "my kid is failing and it's all your fault."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2008, 03:02:22 PM
can you tell its getting close to the Bridge Bowl? 

Both trophies are ugly... but the original "Bowl" was the original.   I thought that meant something in the rivalry.... but I guess we needed a new "trophy" to mark the 2nd era of the series -  Call it the "Competitive Era", if you will.

MSJ has come a long way... and props to Huber for making it happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2008, 04:34:04 PM
70_dc_alum:
See my reply post to yours over on our MIAA board.  Hope you are doing well.  Later, friend.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2008, 08:17:20 AM
Headin down to Gatlinburg. I'll be sure to think of y'all while I'm sitting in the hot tub, on the balcony of my Mountain Cabin, drinking a cold one.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
jeez... this Adam Sayer guy travels like an executive from AIG.. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2008, 02:56:38 PM
Thanks Adam!  I'll be thinking of your relaxing weekend while I'm painting the babies room.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 07, 2008, 06:31:53 PM
I will be enjoying another FC beat down. This week Womanchester.  Heading up there in the am (150 miles each way).  FC by 4 touchdowns (at least) unless Leonard feels sorry for the Spartans early.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2008, 02:04:04 PM
DC is up 14-7 at the half.  MSJ scored w/ 8 seconds remaining on the clock.  DC gave them the ball at their 24 w/ 1:13 remaining & MSJ took advantage. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2008, 02:34:03 PM
Well....DC goes 3 and out to start the half & MSJ drives down w/ ease in two minutes & ties it up. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 08, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
Congrats to the Yellow Jackets and their continuing winning streak!  Who was saying that Defiance shouldn't be a problem...blah, blah, blah...sloppy field...equalizer?  ;)  Guess that it might have been MSJ looking ahead?  ::)

Now, just not another let down against the Beavers.  :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2008, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 29, 2008, 02:25:24 PM
First, I don't Manchester is they same team from 2001 or years of recent.  They are a team on the up swing w/ a versatile qb.  Second, everyteam expects to get into the playoffs everyyear.  Finally, if MSJ's motivation is the Bridge Bowl, they would be looking ahead of their next opponent & that never turns out well.

You're right...they just got beat by the worst Hanover team that has ever been fielded. I don't think upswing is the word for it. And not every team expects to make it to the playoffs every year. I don't think DC, Hanover, or Manchester (to name a few HCAC teams) had playoff aspirations comming into the season. Sometimes, being competitive is good enough.
Well thank goodness DC just wanted to be competitive & be able to beat a team w/ playoff goals. 
Congrats to the Jackets, keep it rolling & carry it over to next season.  One more game & don't follow suit as cave2bens mentioned.  Beat them Beavers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WAF78 on November 08, 2008, 04:21:33 PM
Congrats to the DC Yellow Jackets on their win over MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2008, 04:58:26 PM
any updates on the Franklin game?  Last time I saw it on the scoreboard page it was 14-10 at the half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 08, 2008, 05:14:09 PM
Franklin won 31-20.  Did not go to the game but sounded like they played very flat in the 1 quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2008, 07:42:10 PM
wow.. Sounds like coming out flat was a common theme amongst our teams.  Thomas More got beat by Geneva today 17-13 in Beaver Falls, PA.  I didn't hear the game but from the stats, it looks like the defense couldn't get off the field...giving up 265 yards on the ground.  Stellman threw his first two INT's of the year and the Saints only had 110 yards on the ground.  Geneva held the ball for 37 minutes today.  I was told early on in the week by someone I close to the program that Geneva was better than their record, and that their defense was the real deal... Sounds like Geneva won their "playoff game" or "Super Bowl" ...whatever you want to call it and Thomas More, with the overnight trip and plenty of press coverage this past week came out and got beat by a team that played well.

The Saints and Lions are both coming into this game licking their wounds, so to speak.  Not the way TMC wanted to come into this game, but it better make them hungry for a win... in their second straight "payback" game for what happened to them last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 08, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
Just got back from North Manchester.  Spartans hung around and played their butts off but FC's depth and talent prevailed.  Bad weather as it was a combo rain, sleet, and occasional snow flake coupled with stiff wind and temp hovering in the 30's.

Spartans got up 10-0 after the first quarter but FC got it going in the second and third quarters.  Manchester mounted a semi-comeback in the 4th but sputtered going down the stretch.

Some suspect officiating as well but now FC focuses on Hanover in the Victory Bell game.

Congrats to DC for beating the MSJ.  MSJ must have had their two best quarters of the season in the second half against FC as they have been medicocre most of the rest of the season.  Regardless, Defiance needed that win to help get the ship pointed in the right direction.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 09, 2008, 09:12:04 AM
was kind of hoping for a 3AM Sayer rant after DC pulls off their 3rd vicotry in a row.  Congrats DC, take care of business against Bluffton in the Backyard Brawl.

4-3 finish in HCSC not bad considering the start.  I guess things were not as bad as the record showed considering Trine and Adrian played for the MIAA crown and Musky is much improved from the last decade (record only 3-6 but that is an OAC schedule and did beat JC and ONU)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2008, 09:40:31 AM
70,

Either they weren't that bad in the beginning OR the HCAC has a HUGE dropoff after Franklin this year.  I think you have to at least consider both..

I was the candidate last night for the 3am rant, but I kinda ran out of steam.  My company hired Jeffrey Gittomer (Sales  Motivational Speaker) and he came yesterday and gave us a 4hour presentation.  The guy was good, and you can sign up for a free daily email from him if you find his website.  Anyways we, of course, were served alcohol AFTER the 4 hours was over... and yep, we got after it.  I probably "ran out of steam" around 1am...

only one team that I follow won yesterday.  TMC-nope!  ND-nope! UC-yep!  Its a great feeling to root for a team that wins in Wild, Wonderful West Virginia... where they share teeth for special occasions.  Bill Stewart is doing the least possible with more talent than he deserves.  Has anyone ever been more overmatched as a coach, with a tremedously talented team? 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2008, 05:47:35 PM
SaintsFAN:

It appears then that Stewart is cut out of the same mold as Rodriguez as far as getting the job done (although it is my understanding that Stewart is a much nice guy than Rodriguez).  Although I hate to see Michigan doing bad (for those who are not U of M fans, sorry, but my dad was a Mich alum and my brother's son is senior student there :)), Rodriquez is getting what he deserves from that standpoint. ;D  On the other hand, I do like UC glad they are doing better, and although he has done well where he has been,  Kelly is not as well liked in some circles either for a variety of reasons.

Anyway, what's up with your TMC losing yesterday?  I thought they were to be in the hunt for the title?  BTW, have fun but please be careful at those office parties. ::) ;)  You came through one situation okay but you don't need another "thorn in your side" :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2008, 05:52:43 PM
Some of you have touched on this previously during this season.  However, what do you think is going on at Hanover?  Are they just having a down year like Hope is this year?  At Hope, many have been wondering the same thing, but one thing I can tell you that it is not the coaching staff as they are doing a good job, rather, unfortunately (and as much as I hate to say it), the kids are just not as talented and plain just not playing well.  Just curious as to your thoughts because for a couple of years or so not too long ago, Hanover was one of your leagues upper tier teams and seemed to be on the rise. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 09, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Sayer was in Gatlinburg. Congratulations to Defiance on winning. Though MSJ is obviously down, I thought they would be able to beat Defiance. DC can finally enjoy a week after an MSJ game, what's it been, 6-7 years since they've won???

And try not to compare DC beating MSJ to a team hoping to compete...MSJ isn't anywhere close to being a playoff team. The last time MSJ had 4 losses in the HCAC, we were 0-10...and the HCAC sucks this year. DC beat an OK at best team...that's all MSJ is right now. Maybe MSJ was looking forward to TMC, who knows, but the coaching staff needs to right the ship next year. This season is unacceptable.


Let the Countdown to the Bridge Bowl begin!!!!

Ohio State won, but in most likelihood, lost the Rose Bowl due to Penn State's loss. Hopefully Michigan State can pull off the upset at the end of the year to get the Bucks back to Pasadena.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2008, 06:08:49 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 09, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Ohio State won, but in most likelihood, lost the Rose Bowl due to Penn State's loss. Hopefully Michigan State can pull off the upset at the end of the year to get the Bucks back to Pasadena.


MSU has even more reason to rue Penn State's loss.  IF MSU beating PSU had resulted in a 3-way tie, MSU would be smelling the roses.  Now their only hope is an OSU stumble, which seems to me unlikely (despite my being a Wolverine :().
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 12:34:18 AM
Well I'm glad to see that DC is playing better each week & I'm hoping it continues into next week.  4-6 or 3-7 would be a lot better than what I thought they were going to end up.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2008, 06:53:59 AM
It can't finish in a 3-way tie, Michigan State plays Penn State this year. Now, had Penn State not lossed and Michigan State beat them, then it would have been a 3-way tie and Michigan State, as a result of being the only team to not play a 1AA school, would be the Big Ten's rep in the Rose Bowl. Now that can't happen.

I know MSJ lossed a lot from last year's team, but I don't know how you go from being a very good football team (overall, we were 10-0, but that was probably the best team they had...due to who they beat and how they competed in the playoffs) to being a mediocre team.

Gentlemen...Sayer is officially off the market. I signed my life away last night when we got home from Dinner :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 10, 2008, 08:13:05 AM
MSU only shot at roses is to beat Penn state and the root for Michigan to beat tOSU in the last week.  With a win over Penn state they do get a co champ and a nice new year day bowl
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2008, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

Correct!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: purplebuckeye on November 10, 2008, 09:49:56 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

From the Columbus Dispatch
In the BCS

Alabama stayed No. 1, but Texas Tech is now a solid No. 2. As for Ohio State, Iowa's upset of Penn State spun the race for the Big Ten's automatic BCS qualifier -- a Rose Bowl spot -- into a three-way tie of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan State. Now it's simple: If Penn State (9-1, 5-1) wins out, including over Michigan State on Nov. 22, the Nittany Lions get the spot. If Michigan State (9-2, 6-1), idle this week, and Ohio State (8-2, 5-1) win out, the Buckeyes go to the Rose Bowl by virtue of their win over the Spartans. But in another wacky major college football season, it's folly to look past the very next Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2008, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: purplebuckeye on November 10, 2008, 09:49:56 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

From the Columbus Dispatch
In the BCS

Alabama stayed No. 1, but Texas Tech is now a solid No. 2. As for Ohio State, Iowa's upset of Penn State spun the race for the Big Ten's automatic BCS qualifier -- a Rose Bowl spot -- into a three-way tie of Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan State. Now it's simple: If Penn State (9-1, 5-1) wins out, including over Michigan State on Nov. 22, the Nittany Lions get the spot. If Michigan State (9-2, 6-1), idle this week, and Ohio State (8-2, 5-1) win out, the Buckeyes go to the Rose Bowl by virtue of their win over the Spartans. But in another wacky major college football season, it's folly to look past the very next Saturday.

I think the Columbus Dispatch is already "politicking" for the Buckeyes.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: purplebuckeye on November 10, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
I agree, the Dispatch is always slanted towards the Buckeyes.  But who would have guessed that Penn State would lose to Iowa?  I'm a Buckeye fan, but the Bucks have not really impressed me all season.  Every time they play a descent game, they follow it up with a lackluster one.  Who knows, they may struggle to win out against the Illini and Wolverines, and MSU may surprise Penn State.  It just goes to show how weak the Big Ten has become the past few years and really hasn't had a dominant team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 11:47:00 AM
DBQ1965 & purplebuckeye- thanks for the updated info.  Being from Michigan I'm hoping for a MSU victory over PSU (possible) & a UofM victory (very, very doubtful) over those Nuts from Columbus.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 12:41:49 PM
Well, I wanted to get some playoff chatter going.  If Franklin wins next week & finishes 9-1 w/ their only loss coming from a possible 10-0 Trine, what do you think they will be seeded for the playoffs? 
Currently, if MUC moves out to the east that would be leaving NCC 1, Wabash 2, Trine 3, CWRU 4, Otterbein 5/6, Franklin 6/5, & then after that is a toss up for me.  This would have Franklin possibly traveling to Trine or Case.  I personally would like to see the the rematch. 
Now if MUC stayes then Franklin could possibly face NCC or Wabash which could be interesting to say the least, but I doubt 1-3 in the north regional rankings will stay in the north when the playoff brackets are made.  One will possibly move out to another bracket.  I would think NCC west or MUC east, but I've been wrong many times before.
Thoughts???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2008, 01:56:39 PM
Sayer,

Congrats.... At least she said yes. 

There's also this to consider.  I think if Ohio State wins out... they are guaranteed a BCS Berth.  Follow me for a second.... 10 spots in the games (4 bowls +BCS game).  You have the champions from the 6 BCS Conferences who will earn their place.  Add to that a Utah or Boise State (cinderalla type) and thats 7 spots taken.  Of the 6 power conferences, Ohio State will travel better and have an equal or better record than the ACC-Big East-PAC 10 runner ups will. 

I'm not an Ohio State fan by any means... nor could I ever be tempted, even if Tressel gave me some of the money he gives Pryor.  But thinking rationally, if they finish 1st or 2nd in the Big 10, they'll be in the BCS. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2008, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: purplebuckeye on November 10, 2008, 10:56:45 AM
I agree, the Dispatch is always slanted towards the Buckeyes.  But who would have guessed that Penn State would lose to Iowa?  I'm a Buckeye fan, but the Bucks have not really impressed me all season.  Every time they play a descent game, they follow it up with a lackluster one.  Who knows, they may struggle to win out against the Illini and Wolverines, and MSU may surprise Penn State.  It just goes to show how weak the Big Ten has become the past few years and really hasn't had a dominant team.

Wasn't Ohio State THE dominant team in the Big 10 the last few years?  I think what you meant to say was that the dominant Big 10 team, wasn't really a team that could compete nationally.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2008, 02:14:57 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 09, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Sayer was in Gatlinburg. Congratulations to Defiance on winning. Though MSJ is obviously down, I thought they would be able to beat Defiance. DC can finally enjoy a week after an MSJ game, what's it been, 6-7 years since they've won???

And try not to compare DC beating MSJ to a team hoping to compete...MSJ isn't anywhere close to being a playoff team. The last time MSJ had 4 losses in the HCAC, we were 0-10...and the HCAC sucks this year. DC beat an OK at best team...that's all MSJ is right now. Maybe MSJ was looking forward to TMC, who knows, but the coaching staff needs to right the ship next year. This season is unacceptable.


Let the Countdown to the Bridge Bowl begin!!!!



Sayer or anyone else with the MSJ program...

Why is Palmer no longer playing QB.  Is he hurt, been benched or did he go all "Rashon" on everyone?? 

I was reading through all of the press releases that MSJ's hard-working SID gets to Pat Coleman and D3football.com and I couldn't find a mention of anything.  Wait a minute... no, thats right... I was on the MSJ website because the SID doesn't do anything but send emails to the Cincinnati Enquirer and hope that Lance McCallister calls for an interview of Rod Huber.  Its a shame because when MSJ dominated the HCAC the last few years, there could've been more "advertising" being done of the "MSJ & Rod Huber Brand".   

OK, my Monday thoughts on the Bridge Bowl: 

I'm scared to death of a Mount St Joe team that has nothing to lose.  If this were the first game that Hunterman were starting at QB, I'd feel better about it.  As it is, the game is probably starting to slow down for him (I think this is the reason MSJ has lost recently).  Thomas More needs to get in this kids grill.  Just like we did when that lefty was playing QB in the Mudd Bowl that all you guys used to bitch about. 

I'm glad we lost a game that essentially doesn't count for much... and that it wasn't Mount St Joe.  I'm glad it happened before the Bridge Bowl and WASNT the Bridge Bowl (if you can follow me, if you can't follow that you probably "graduated" from MSJ).  Our playoffs start this week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2008, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2008, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 10, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MSU beats Penn State & OSU wins over UofM then they both are tied in conference action & MSU gets the bid to the Rose Bowl b/c of length of time since their last time there.

Correct!

That is not correct. Ohio State beat Michigan State head to head and that's the first qualification and as a result, OSU would go to the Rose Bowl. Now had Penn State not lossed to Iowa and Michigan State beat them...then Michigan State would go to the Rose Bowl as a result of qualification #2 - the team with more games against 1A opponents (FCS) would go. Michigan State didn't play a 1AA team this year, both OSU and Penn State did. The time factor is one of the later requirements for Rose Bowl consideration.

Ohio State needs Michigan State to beat Penn State and win out to get into the Rose Bowl. If not, they better hope someone forgives them for the big game fiasco's the past 2 years.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2008, 02:42:11 PM
Kevin, I don't know. From the games I have watched, I haven't been that impressed with him. He's not terrible, but after having a year in as a starter, he should have had a pretty good year this year and I don't think he did as well as was expected of him. He could be hurt too. Again, I don't know and don't want to make assumptions. I was told they were starting 3 freshmen or 3 first year starters this year on the O-line (I forget which one it was). I'm sure that didn't help anything.

I agree 100% with the lack of press. When we went 10-0 we did get a good deal. There was a nice write up on Lawless that year, plus the big article after our first Bridge Bowl win. The problem with Cincinnati is that there is so much going on if you tried to give everyone their time every weekend, you'd have a 30-page sports section.

I have a Math degree (it's for education but it's still a math degree), I can follow numbers. It's the big fancy words that Bob uses that screw me up :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2008, 03:17:00 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2008, 02:42:11 PM

I agree 100% with the lack of press. When we went 10-0 we did get a good deal. There was a nice write up on Lawless that year, plus the big article after our first Bridge Bowl win. The problem with Cincinnati is that there is so much going on if you tried to give everyone their time every weekend, you'd have a 30-page sports section.



Maybe you've stumbled onto something here.  Ask has_been about the Sunday Edition of the Los Angeles Times.  We have some crappy AP report/write up thats been cut and paste from some template.  Maybe the Enquirer could turn around the performance of the newspaper if they started covering small college football.  Before you laugh, remember, the MSJ's and TMC's even Wilma, Hanover and UD, as bastardly as they are, have scores of local kids making up their rosters.  How many more copies COULD be sold if they did a report on each? 

Then again, I know the newspaper industry has small margins to make.  But wouldn't advertising go up also?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2008, 12:00:03 PM
I agree. I've discussed this regarding wrestling since I was in high school.  During the winter, about the only write up on wrestling is the weekly Honor Roll. You get some mention of the better teams (Moeller, Reading, Madeira, etc.) but not much at all.

I will say that I hear TMC and MSJ scores more often now on the radio than I recall in the past but when you reference the local kids, I think people rely more on their local community newspaper.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2008, 06:09:34 PM
formerd3db,

You made me LOL, with the last part of your message.  You've always had my best interests in mind, ever since we met on the field at Alma in 1999.  I appreciate the concern, as always.   It was a function for work, but not everyone was involved with it.  Add to the fact they fired my little ray of sunshine in March along with my "new strategy" of being business only there.... everything went fine.  Great speaker if you get a chance to find him online.. he could sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves.  

I don't like RichRod...at all.  I think he's exactly whats wrong with Division 1 Athletics.  Agents shouldn't be involved in the process.  

I'm not sure what happened to Thomas More up at Geneva.  I was worried about this game immediately following the big W&J win because A.  it was another overnight trip and B. it followed a highly emotional win over W&J.  Add to it, I heard that Geneva's defense was playing well and that Thomas More would have to play well to win.  For comparison, Geneva would be a 2nd or 3rd place team in the HCAC.  Its hard to beat a team that has 37 minutes of possesions AND when we made it 10-7 in the 4th, the defense was gassed and gave up a TD as Geneva answered.  Hopefully, they use it as a lesson that the games must be played on the field and get back to what made TMC successful through the first 8 games of the season.  

re:  Hanover

I know the Panthers have the new coach from Dubuque for this year, and he brought a new staff to Madison, IN.  I know they are relying most on freshman to learn the system and play right away this season.  Hanover still has the WR, Tyler Thiems... but little else around him as far as experience.  I think its too early to tell what is going to happen with this new regime.  The last couple seasons of Wayne Perry's reign were marked by a new philosophy trying to be implemented which saw the admission standards go up --making it harder to recruit the necessary athletes to compete with Mount St Joe, Defiance, and Franklin... hell even RHIT and Anderson.  I think they've relaxed the admissions back to where they were originally, but the damage has been done.  Its going to take another class or two until we see what Joe Austin's staff can do.  




Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2008, 08:12:37 PM
Kevin, the wedding is July 18th. I'll let you know whe the Bachelor Party is. I'd like to take a whole weekend. May be travel somewhere. Vegas is a little too far, but something along those lines.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 12, 2008, 03:27:40 PM
I've been out of town for the past week and missed the DC/MSJ game. Just caught the score today. Congrats to DC on its win. Wrap it up with a win against Da Beav this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
Adam,

Just a word for the wise... last time I heard about a bachelor party that lasted a weekend, there were cops involved, a brawl, a destroyed hotel room, and two DUIs.  None of that was me.  But just sayin... I witnessed all of that. 

The other one like that was my cousin's in Vegas.  My other cousin hooked up with Zap-- from American Gladiators, she's the one that posed in Playboy back in the day.  She came to the wedding too, but all she talked about was her new TV show that never came to be. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2008, 07:22:31 PM
SaintsFAN:
You are welcome.  Hey, all of us "former DIII'ers" need to stick together.  One of the best aspects of this website, aside from everyone's love of DIII football (and thanks to Pat obviously for all of this even being possible) is the friendships and commeraderie that I/we all have had with some people we've not even met (although others such as you and I have met in the past either as players, opponents, etc.).  Just looking out for you as I hope others would do for me ;)

Thanks for your insights/opinions on your TMC, Hanover and also "that guy" RichRod ;D  We're doing fine here (although daughter No. 2 was lucky and thankfully did not get sick with the recent virus outbreak and closue at Hope's campus).  Take care and have a great weekend.  Good luck to your team this weekend (it will be cold I'm sure - from that standpoint, I'm not looking forward to standing on the sidelines at the Kalamazoo College game this weekend!)

Also, good luck to all you HCAC guys' teams this weekend as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2008, 11:18:16 PM
Sorry for the late entry...

Bridge Bowl Trivia for Wednesday:

Name the winning team and the score from the 1995 version (go to Thomas More's website if you have to) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 13, 2008, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2008, 06:09:34 PM
 Great speaker if you get a chance to find him online.. he could sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves.  


I was interviewing a guy yesterday for one of my Chicago sales positions and he was an x-IBM sales rep and i was trying to see if he had the chops to do it becuase typically IBM guys are wussies and only cna sell because they work for "IBM"so i told him i thought he was soft and i have never ran into an IBM rep that came to my firm that could sell anything just to see how he would react.  I got a weak response which allowed me to make up my mind to which i responded with what i was looking for and did throw in a, "sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves"

nothing like being able to quote SaintsFan from D3Football.com while telling someone to F'off in corporate america.

Can you tell what website i was on right before the interview
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2008, 04:21:45 PM
DUDE...

Where is everyone?  


<crickets chirping>


Did they call off the games for this weekend?  I think there's a couple rivalry games coming up... right?  Or did I miss the Bridge Bowl, Franklin/Hanover, and Defiance/Beavers??

I know one thing... I'll NEVER forgive Franklin for blowing their lead against Hanover in the 1995 Bell game.  Never.  Had they won, Vic Clark's fellas from Thomas More wouldve made a nice run in the playoffs.  10-0 and ranked #5 in the North Region...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2008, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 13, 2008, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2008, 06:09:34 PM
 Great speaker if you get a chance to find him online.. he could sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves.  


I was interviewing a guy yesterday for one of my Chicago sales positions and he was an x-IBM sales rep and i was trying to see if he had the chops to do it becuase typically IBM guys are wussies and only cna sell because they work for "IBM"so i told him i thought he was soft and i have never ran into an IBM rep that came to my firm that could sell anything just to see how he would react.  I got a weak response which allowed me to make up my mind to which i responded with what i was looking for and did throw in a, "sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves"

nothing like being able to quote SaintsFan from D3Football.com while telling someone to F'off in corporate america.

Can you tell what website i was on right before the interview

haha... thats great, 70!  Sounds like you probably need to hire me for that Chicago position.  If it pays enough.   :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 13, 2008, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 13, 2008, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2008, 06:09:34 PM
 Great speaker if you get a chance to find him online.. he could sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves.  


I was interviewing a guy yesterday for one of my Chicago sales positions and he was an x-IBM sales rep and i was trying to see if he had the chops to do it becuase typically IBM guys are wussies and only cna sell because they work for "IBM"so i told him i thought he was soft and i have never ran into an IBM rep that came to my firm that could sell anything just to see how he would react.  I got a weak response which allowed me to make up my mind to which i responded with what i was looking for and did throw in a, "sell ketsup popsicles to eskimos wearing white gloves"

nothing like being able to quote SaintsFan from D3Football.com while telling someone to F'off in corporate america.

Can you tell what website i was on right before the interview

Freakin' Priceless, '70!  +K for flipping off the navy, suited purveyors of punitive probes (or prohibited pubes - ref. to ban on facial hair  ::))  ;D

Speakin' of which, hear's to DC doin' a Dan'el Boone and skinnin' some tree-gnawin' varmints this weekend.  Keep the streak alive, and take some tail trophies! Darn those late night exchanges with SaintsFan  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2008, 04:55:28 PM


Speakin' of which, hear's to DC doin' a Dan'el Boone and skinnin' some tree-gnawin' varmints this weekend.  Keep the streak alive, and take some tail trophies! Darn those late night exchanges with SaintsFan  ;)


Thats what she said..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 13, 2008, 09:07:41 PM
Yes there is a rivalry game at FC this weekend.  Hapless Hanover against FC in a glorified scrimmage.

FC is hoping for a return trip to Trine and the winner goes to Bash.  Who knows??   if that were to happen that would be perfect.  Trine is kidding themselves if they think they are legit. FC played like crap and deserved to lose but they wont repeat that sorry performance.

FC has lost one conference game in three seasons and all four losses in the last three years were to playoff teams. And three of the four losses are to team ranked in the current top 25.  not bad.

Go FC, pound Hanover like the sorry team they are (hope they return but its a long road back as FC and MSJ will lock up many of the top players in the Indy/Cincy areas that used to go Hanover)

Until somebody rises up, FC owns the HCAC and as long as Mike Leonard is there there wont be a major letdown.  just my opinion.

7 Sierra Nevada's contributed to this post/rant  lol




Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2008, 10:18:58 PM
I'd be more excited about this game had MSJ and TMC came in 8-1...which could have been the case. MSJ would have something to play for other than recruiting and a winning season. They'd be playing for a possible playoff spot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2008, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 13, 2008, 09:07:41 PM
Yes there is a rivalry game at FC this weekend.  Hapless Hanover against FC in a glorified scrimmage.

FC is hoping for a return trip to Trine and the winner goes to Bash.  Who knows??   if that were to happen that would be perfect.  Trine is kidding themselves if they think they are legit. FC played like crap and deserved to lose but they wont repeat that sorry performance.

FC has lost one conference game in three seasons and all four losses in the last three years were to playoff teams. And three of the four losses are to team ranked in the current top 25.  not bad.

Go FC, pound Hanover like the sorry team they are (hope they return but its a long road back as FC and MSJ will lock up many of the top players in the Indy/Cincy areas that used to go Hanover)

Until somebody rises up, FC owns the HCAC and as long as Mike Leonard is there there wont be a major letdown.  just my opinion.

7 Sierra Nevada's contributed to this post/rant  lol


haha.. someone had a good night.  

I just had a conversation with Sayer about the state of the HCAC right now, if you will.  I'll let him share with you guys the opinoins we agreed on.  I believe the Heartland peaked last season with two teams in the Playoffs.  There's been alot of sorry football this year and Franklin has been able to coast --hopefully this fact doesn't hurt them.  RHIT is a clear 2nd place team, but that speaks more to the "decline" rather to what they are doing right.

The one thing that I disagree with here, is about Trine.  I just don't think you can discount a team thats undefeated at this point in the season.  Maybe Franklin will get a shot to show how much they've improved since the first meeting, with a rematch game at Trine.  I'm of the opinoin that I'd like to see Thomas More impress enough that they might get a shot at someone other than Mount Union.  But thats why they play the games --
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 14, 2008, 06:32:16 AM
Trine deserves the seed they will get due to the record but when I saw them play they certainly are not the third best team in the region. Like FC they would prob be a fourth or fifth place team in the OAC and would not come close in the CCIW. 

The HCAC is down and FC was able to coast somewhat.  Hard to argue that one.  Fortuneately FC played a solid pre-conference schedule against Trine, Butler, and Baldwin Wallace. FC does not load up on patsies to start out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 14, 2008, 08:50:20 AM
Leonard took the approach Hanover used while he was there. The HCAC sucks, so find quality non-conference teams to play. In 2002, Hanover had a solid 7-3 TMC team, fresh off a playoff season, a 7-3 DePauw team, and a 9-3 W & J team on the schedule (all 3 of whom they beat convincingly). In 2003, Hanover had the same nonconference schedule. Playing in our league, you have no choice but to play top notch competition during the nonconference. As we proved in 2004, a 10-0 HCAC team isn't looked at very highly due to the way we represent ourselves in the playoffs.

The HCAC is on the way down and free falling fast. How can you argue teams like Manchester, Defiance, and Bluffton, are on the way up? When Rose-Hulman is your 2nd best team, you know where your conference sits.  All the teams below FC and RHIT are equally worthless this year and beat each other (I'd even throw RHIT in that mix). Keep this in mind. Defiance and Hanover's only wins are against conference teams. Of Anderson's 5 wins, 4 are against HCAC teams. Look up the W-L record of RHIT's opponents this year...it's terrible. I might even argue that the HCAC is the worst conference in D3 football this year. If it's not, it's damn close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
Sayer and crew,

Wiehe says he's bringin some folks to Crestview Hills tomorrow.  I'm going to stay in contact with you, Adam and Wiehe.  Should be a great, COLD day for Bridge Bowl fun.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 14, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
Man Sayer, you need a tissue?  The HCAC may not be the best conference, but I still think the conference is headed in the right direction.  Plus who cares if RHIT is the 2nd place team.  Some may have thought the same when MSJ was starting to do well for themselves & was winning the conference. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 14, 2008, 02:29:07 PM
Ask Kevin...I agree with you Has_been. The only team we beat in my 4 years at MSJ who had a winning record was Hanover and they finished the 2004 year with a 6-4 record...not quite dominating. The conference was terrible then as well. At least it looked like we were starting to go in the right place.

Last year's MSJ team was probably the best team they've had at MSJ EVER. They beat a good Illinois Wesleyan team, lost a very close game to FC (I don't care what the FC faithful say, they got robbed of a TD before halftime) and we all know the results of the FC playoff game, and went toe to toe with a very good Wabash team for 3+ quarters in the playoffs. We were 10-0 but we didn't play anyone of significant worth until we got smoked in the playoffs by Wheaton (I will say we deserved more than playing a team who spent 8 weeks ranked in the top 5 of the country for our 1st round game). Last year's team beat and played with good teams. RHIT wasn't dominating, but they finished 7-3.

Last year was probably the best year the HCAC had in terms of competitiveness since it's been called the HCAC. I'm starting to believe that last year was an exception to our traditionally mediocre performances rather than a step in the right direction. It's a shame too because I know this year's MSJ team is a better football team than their terrible record indicates. 

Even FC hasn't put together a good resume this year. They dominated the HCAC, but that doesn't mean much. The only standout spot on their schedule is the win against Butler. The BW win doesn't look as good now as it did back in week 1 (if it ever looked good at all). The loss to Trine really hurts because Trine beat up on it's own conference (which is on par with the HCAC) and the HCAC. They haven't played anyone of any significance. I will give FC this: They made an effort to play good teams outside the HCAC. BW usually isn't this bad and Butler and Trine are decent. I wish MSJ would do the same (I don't know the politics but I would like to see us play a playoff team schedule).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2008, 04:07:27 PM
I can vouch that Sayer said that last night.  Honestly, the PAC is down this year also.. though, I still think Thomas More would've been in the same position had it been more competitive. 

I was talking with Dean Paul this week and he mentioned something about injuries in that conference.  I think it applies here in this argument.  Franklin was able to coast this year in the HCAC as they weren't really challenged... and we haven't heard about any injuries on their team --injuries from impact positions.  I think when you play in a tough conference like the OAC, you are not only tougher as a team because of it... but you have battle-tested players..  and a chance to lose these players.  I don't think the top team in the HCAC has been in this position, with the exception of last year. 

By the way, if you guys are bored and looking for something outside of the Bridge Bowl and HCAC play to keep your eye on --check the "Triple Take-Final Exam Edition" on the frontpage.  Those guys know what they are talking about.. ha

Shameless plug... I know.

USee found an article in a local Ohio paper interviewing Dick Kaiser, Head of the D3 playoff selection committee. Here is the link:

http://www.crescent-news.com/news/article/4466158

On the top 4 seeds:

"I think we're going to try again to seed the top four teams," said Kaiser, who served as the defensive coordinator at Idaho State in 1981 when it won the Division I-AA national championship and before that coached outside linebackers at BYU. "Then take the teams and fill up the brackets so it won't be like North, East, South and West. It'll be like Team A's bracket, Team B's bracket and so on and so forth. That's how last year, everybody was all upset that all of sudden Mount Union was playing all of these East teams. Alliance is close (to the East coast) and can play all those East teams."

This could potentially be a good thing for Thomas More... avoiding a trip to Mount Union.  We'll see on Sunday at 3pm. 

By the way... ESPN will not have Pat Coleman in studio this year.  Bad move.. he will be calling in to "weigh in" but for those of you not familiar with how much Pat did to make the selection show better in recent years... he won't be there to help explain pronunciations and etc before they go on the air.  Hopefully his absence is only one year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 14, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
I like the idea of seeding the top four teams in seperate brackets.  I know some issues towards traveling distances can mess w/ it a bit, but I'm still a fan of doing the four best teams get the #1 seeds.  Anyway it works out I'm still pulling for a Franklin/Trine rematch. 
I can't believe they wouldn't have Pat in studio for the selection show, that's a real bummer. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 14, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
BTW, nice job SaintsFan on the triple take.  Any insights on odds, given pick'em performance, on MUC headed east, vs NCC west, vs Muhlenberg east? Or is everything contingent on the Ithaca-SUNY Cortland game?

D - PU - it says it all.  :D 

Regardless of any/all HCAC outcomes, here's to a safe and injury-free conclusion to the season!  Slainte.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 15, 2008, 08:14:31 AM
Just in case anyone has Directv the Depauw vs Wabash is going to be on HDNET at 1 PM.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 08:35:43 AM
cave2bens,

I don't think that makes me an expert but I do have an opinoin on the #1 seeds.  I think Dick Kaiser has already foreshadowed this.... I think Mount Union is moving East... they make the most sense out of all the North teams, logistically.  And this would allow the committee to continue the practice started last year of building a region around the #1 team.

My guess (in this order):

#1 Mount Union Region (East)
#2 North Central Region (North)
#3 Millsaps Region (South)
#4 Williamette Region (West)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 09:09:11 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081115/SPT01/811150401/1062/SPT
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 04:47:30 PM
Mount St. Joe 0
Thomas More 19  F

It wasn't even this close.  MSJ's offense was bad, bad, bad.  Collier again saved the day for the Saints on a terrible weather day.  MSJ had one run that got them to TMC's 35 on their first drive, after that...nothing to speak of. 

My prevailing thought is that football is a rough game... perhaps, Kendall Owens can play next week after being knocked out of the game on a cheap shot.  I know Rod Huber doesn't condone this kind of dirty play, so it will be interesting to see what happens as a result.  Just remember, unless MSJ drops TMC again from the schedule, we'll deal with the Lions on the field.  Just like today.  I'm not calling out any names on the MSJ defense but a couple guys were talking alot...despite being down so many points.  They let emotion get the best of them....did Thomas More talk?  Yes... but they played legally and between the whistles.  Coach Hilvert's team is to be commended for taking care of business and not letting an emotional team with nothing to play for ... get to them.  Maybe next year if Pat asks me to talk about games in week 11, I'm going to mention the new lows the rivalry got to today.  In fact, you can bet on it.

I told Adam on the way out of the game... and he agreed.. Mount is mediocre again.  I think not having a handle on some of the defensive players with ego is a major symptom of this. 

there's going to be a major shakeup among playoff teams... early game scores show Wabash losing the Monon Bell game, and Moravian has defeated Muhlenburg.  The Mules still get in, but probably as a #6-8 seed.  Before there was talk of them being moved east (mostly by their own fans) to be a #1 seed.  St John Fisher is also out after losing at Alfred today.. they were Pool A if they won.. lost too many games to get in as a "C"

Sayer, your buddy was drunk... btw.  I'm going to assume that most of the MSJ fans in the stands were also drunk... yelling at Hilvert might be accepted on the Westside at some festival, but you may have noticed how even our fans didn't act out of line AFTER the chippiness started.  Then again, we don't have a "Napoleon Complex" about our program. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2008, 05:36:28 PM
Which friend??? Hoss? Mediocre or not, we're still proud of where we came. Just a little dissapointed after today. Not going to lie, it hurts. Though I like TMC and wish the program and Jim the best of luck, it really bothers me that these kids performed the way they did this year. I left a team who were d!cks and a$$holes. Guys who wouldn't back down from people and do whatever it took to get the job done. Watching from the sideline, it appears MSJ has lost that mentality. The article did say MSJ has lost a lot of players due to injury. Maybe we're seeing the 2001-2004 building process all over again with a plethora of Fr. starters. Whatever it is, when I left, I thought we brought MSJ from a doormat, laughing stock program to a legit, respectable team. And they managed that for a while. I'm hoping the injuries are a reason for the lackluster performances and not something else. Mediocre they are, but hopefully not for long. We'll have to wait and see.

Congrats to Anderson on another great season. The last 2 years have been great for those guys. (I wonder why they have been so good the last 2 years and not as good in years past?) I worked with 1 coach of theirs from Bethel and I know another very well (was the HC at Lockland for a few years). Hopefully either them or the winner of the Colerain-Elder game  can get Cincinnati another state championship(s).

TMC had their personal fouls as well. I remember back in 2003 when I threw a fist into a guys face on the sideline cause he was running his mouth after an INT. That's the way it goes. It will always be a tough, physical game and personal fouls will be called. Diving at a players knees is a little iffy on the option, but it's not illegal. Tackle the pitch man and there is no option.

Say what you will, but since we started the rivalry over again, it's 3-3. I told the cop in the parking lot to get a real job cause he told me we had to win 3 games before it could be considered a rivalry. My response: How long have you been here? We won in 2004, 2005 and 2007. Get a real job fat a$$...as I was pulling out.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2008, 05:36:28 PM


TMC had their personal fouls as well. I remember back in 2003 when I threw a fist into a guys face on the sideline cause he was running his mouth after an INT. That's the way it goes. It will always be a tough, physical game and personal fouls will be called. Diving at a players knees is a little iffy on the option, but it's not illegal. Tackle the pitch man and there is no option.



come on, man.  unless you didn't see it... you know it was cheap.  if you're going to hit someone on the option like that (even if the pitchman doesn't have the ball)... hit them high.  Don't be a COWARD.  It was a chicken$hit play.  The film won't lie... and that kid will have a target on him next year... guaranteed.  But we'll do it between the whistles and not in a chicken$hit way.

Didn't something like this happen against Defiance also ??  Not this year but two years ago..

by the way, call me back... I'm trying to reach you about something with tonight...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 06:03:50 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2008, 05:36:28 PM


Say what you will, but since we started the rivalry over again, it's 3-3. I told the cop in the parking lot to get a real job cause he told me we had to win 3 games before it could be considered a rivalry. My response: How long have you been here? We won in 2004, 2005 and 2007. Get a real job fat a$$...as I was pulling out.



Thats classic... haha!  One of those guys "pulled me over" when I was coming to pick up Dean Paul and Steve Sigler back in 2003 to play golf.  He said I was driving too fast... I sent him back to his car with a "oh yeah?!  what did you CLOCK me at?" .. they don't have radar. 

Thats pretty classy of him to point that out.  Just earn your $5.25/hour and keep your mouth shut.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 15, 2008, 06:17:39 PM
interesting comment on defensive players with ego at MSJ   there is one that had this stupid face paint on for the FC game that was talking back to the crowd during the game when the score was 42-14 FC  MSJ has a lot of street baller type players the way they carry themselves and the way the play.  MSJ is medicocre at best in a fairly weak conference.  The scoreboard has spoken.

FC 34  Hanover 0 and the score was not even that close.  FC was hampered by a muddy field and had to resort to a running attack.  Hanover is a JOKE on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 15, 2008, 06:25:49 PM
just had a few metrics  Hanover had 1 yard on the ground today (yes 1) and Franklin had 337 yards rushing and only threw 18 passes all game (to Hanover's 51).  I rest my case Hanover is as bad as they have ever been and I have seen them play at least 25 years
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 15, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
With Cortland State losing does this mean Mount Union may go east again???  There are zero teams in the east that are undefeated leaving Mount Union the closest undefeated team to go east.  This would put NCC #1 in the north & Trine moving to #2 b/c of Wabash's loss.  Crazy that Trine is a possible 2 seed, what a story. 
Congrats to DC making it 4 in a row to wrap up an ugly start.  It wasn't against the best teams, but it is a good building block to next season.  Keep the guys around & work hard for next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 09:18:07 PM
I think today's events pretty much assure us that Mount Union will be going East again.  They are one of three teams to be considered for the #1 in the East, and the other two (SUNY-Cortland and Muhlenburg) both got beat today. 

Pat's in town tonight, I'm going to pick his brain over a couple beverages.  Very crazy to see Trine as a #2.  Franklin has positioned themselves nicely for a possible home game also.  We'll see tomorrow, you never know what the NCAA will do. 

How about LaGrange (GA)?? Before this year, that program had NEVER won a game... period, since they started the football program (0-20), and they go 9-1 to possibly set themselves up for a Pool B Bid, by beating a one loss Huntingdon team today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 15, 2008, 09:26:47 PM
I see Franklin getting a 5 seed at best playing Otterbein or Wabash.  You are right saintsfan, you never know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2008, 05:36:28 PM


TMC had their personal fouls as well. I remember back in 2003 when I threw a fist into a guys face on the sideline cause he was running his mouth after an INT. That's the way it goes. It will always be a tough, physical game and personal fouls will be called. Diving at a players knees is a little iffy on the option, but it's not illegal. Tackle the pitch man and there is no option.



come on, man.  unless you didn't see it... you know it was cheap.  if you're going to hit someone on the option like that (even if the pitchman doesn't have the ball)... hit them high.  Don't be a COWARD.  It was a chicken$hit play.  The film won't lie... and that kid will have a target on him next year... guaranteed.  But we'll do it between the whistles and not in a chicken$hit way.

Didn't something like this happen against Defiance also ??  Not this year but two years ago..

by the way, call me back... I'm trying to reach you about something with tonight...

Any good Defensive coach will tell you against the option you layout the pitchman and QB everytime regardless of who has the ball.  You hit low for 2 reasons,  1 wear out their legs adn make them a little timid when they run and throw...only way to do this is make thier legs hurt and lay the wood. 2 only sure tackle is hitting low, you go high you risk wiffing when they cut it up and the idea of properly defending the option is you hit everyone so you are not depending on anyone ont he defense to read which leads to the d being timid and that opens the lanes on the option...SaintsFan you sound like a whiny old QB.   Assuming it was between the whistles

the thing with Defiance was Rashon Lewis where he told JacketsFan's son he would mail him a picture of his ring as the game ended so he proceded to attempt the body slam.  then the year before when there was a vicious blind side on  lineman which broke his hip which got a lot of people fired up on this board becuase it was away from the play but that one does not bother me because i go with the keep your head on a swivel motto
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 16, 2008, 10:59:53 AM
does anyone know anything about Case Western Reserve? They have had two great seasons in a row and are projected third by D3football.  They have only one loss in two seasons and that was the playoffs last year (Wabash by 13 or so).

While I wish FC was getting a rematch with Trine or a game with Wabash, Case might just be a better matchup for FC.  They do play on turf which helps FC with the spread.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2008, 12:08:26 PM
If the north ends up the way as predicted on the front page then I like the way the NCC bracket is set up. Franklin would have a good shot against CWRU who did not play the strongest schedule, but they did beat a good Wooster team (8-2) & Denison (6-4) both in the NCAC conference.  Who ever wins the first round would then have to face a very good NCC (sorry SaintsFan).  I see Trine being able to get by Wayne's World (Aurora) leaving to play Otterbein or Wabash. 
I still think Otterbein will be the 2nd best team in the bracket w/ their only loss coming to MUC, but anything can happen & this bracket could be anyone's.   Regardless, NCC is the team to beat & that will not be easy to do. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 16, 2008, 12:38:12 PM
wouldn't Trine play the 3/6 winner (FC/CWRU) as the number 2? and the winner of the second round would then face no 1 NCC?

The Wabash/OTT winner would get NCC wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on November 16, 2008, 02:12:06 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 16, 2008, 12:38:12 PM
wouldn't Trine play the 3/6 winner (FC/CWRU) as the number 2? and the winner of the second round would then face no 1 NCC?

The Wabash/OTT winner would get NCC wouldn't they?

Yes that is correct
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on November 16, 2008, 03:56:40 PM
DC - congratulations on putting a nice finish onto the season. Build on what you have and come back ready next year. BTW: I hear the O-line is HUGE. It's inexperience showed in the first half of the season but they finished strong.

SaintsFAN - about LaGrange College finishing 9-1 this year. If you'll go back two seasons and look at one of my first posts about them, I said back then that once LaGrange got up and running, it would be a major threat. I grew up in that neck of the woods and football is serious business there. LaGrange was a basketball school before getting football a couple of seasons back but they always had good basketball coaching. It only made sense to me that they'd get a good football coach for their program as well.

As for the little incident on the field between MSJ and DC a couple of years back, let's put it it this way. I was more than happy to see #92 feed a dirt sandwich to loudmouth Rashon Lewis. The refs had totally lost control of that game by then. Even more beautiful was watching #92 chase Lewis back 10 yards and slam his face in the turf on the very next play, too. I'll bet Lewis didn't wag his limp wrist in anyone else's face after that.

Bob:  Standing in the hall of the Great Cathedral waiting for the transport to come ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 05:04:01 PM
I knew I could get you fired up again!!

FYI Bengals / Eagles = most boring football game ever.  I know lots in the media hate college football OT, but a tie are you kidding me.  Although it was fitting to the rest of the game...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2008, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2008, 05:36:28 PM


TMC had their personal fouls as well. I remember back in 2003 when I threw a fist into a guys face on the sideline cause he was running his mouth after an INT. That's the way it goes. It will always be a tough, physical game and personal fouls will be called. Diving at a players knees is a little iffy on the option, but it's not illegal. Tackle the pitch man and there is no option.



come on, man.  unless you didn't see it... you know it was cheap.  if you're going to hit someone on the option like that (even if the pitchman doesn't have the ball)... hit them high.  Don't be a COWARD.  It was a chicken$hit play.  The film won't lie... and that kid will have a target on him next year... guaranteed.  But we'll do it between the whistles and not in a chicken$hit way.

Didn't something like this happen against Defiance also ??  Not this year but two years ago..

by the way, call me back... I'm trying to reach you about something with tonight...

Any good Defensive coach will tell you against the option you layout the pitchman and QB everytime regardless of who has the ball.  You hit low for 2 reasons,  1 wear out their legs adn make them a little timid when they run and throw...only way to do this is make thier legs hurt and lay the wood. 2 only sure tackle is hitting low, you go high you risk wiffing when they cut it up and the idea of properly defending the option is you hit everyone so you are not depending on anyone ont he defense to read which leads to the d being timid and that opens the lanes on the option...SaintsFan you sound like a whiny old QB.   Assuming it was between the whistles

the thing with Defiance was Rashon Lewis where he told JacketsFan's son he would mail him a picture of his ring as the game ended so he proceded to attempt the body slam.  then the year before when there was a vicious blind side on  lineman which broke his hip which got a lot of people fired up on this board becuase it was away from the play but that one does not bother me because i go with the keep your head on a swivel motto


except that on this particular play.. the play was over.  QB Stellman had turned up field and was tackled.  It was cheap.  Plain and simple.. but thats fine.  TMC won't forget what went on.  I guarantee next year, as long as the series isn't cancelled, will resemble the blood bath in 1995 -- our defense knocked a few out of the game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2008, 05:27:22 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 05:04:01 PM
I knew I could get you fired up again!!

FYI Bengals / Eagles = most boring football game ever.  I know lots in the media hate college football OT, but a tie are you kidding me.  Although it was fitting to the rest of the game...

70... I was there.  Not only did I get up early today to meet a tailgate (girlfriend wanted this after I kinda ditched her to hang with Pat Coleman last night), but I also sat through the entire game.  I got to argue with some Philipinos wearing McNabb jerseys (they didn't know the words to the Eagle fight song -and I turned the whole crowd against them), but the part with the tie... wow.  I have no words.  One thing... I believe this is Andy Reid's last year... along with McNabb.  McNabb didn't want to be there... period.  He was god-awful and so is Reid.  He's lost the team.

No offense taken, has_been and thanks for the updates today.  I think its either Otterbein or North Central coming out of the North.  I'm going to try to make the game on Saturday up in IL.  Ott is a terrible draw for Franklin.  I was hoping Trine, CWRU, or Aurora.  Too bad... its been a great run they are on... and that offense is chameleon-like.. they have beat teams in the air and the ground this year...

While I'm thinking of it... does anyone know anything about doing play by play (radio)??  Pat and I were talking last night and I need to find a play by play guy so I can get on the air for the Playoffs (probably after round 2). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2008, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2008, 05:36:28 PM


TMC had their personal fouls as well. I remember back in 2003 when I threw a fist into a guys face on the sideline cause he was running his mouth after an INT. That's the way it goes. It will always be a tough, physical game and personal fouls will be called. Diving at a players knees is a little iffy on the option, but it's not illegal. Tackle the pitch man and there is no option.



come on, man.  unless you didn't see it... you know it was cheap.  if you're going to hit someone on the option like that (even if the pitchman doesn't have the ball)... hit them high.  Don't be a COWARD.  It was a chicken$hit play.  The film won't lie... and that kid will have a target on him next year... guaranteed.  But we'll do it between the whistles and not in a chicken$hit way.

Didn't something like this happen against Defiance also ??  Not this year but two years ago..

by the way, call me back... I'm trying to reach you about something with tonight...

Any good Defensive coach will tell you against the option you layout the pitchman and QB everytime regardless of who has the ball. 

70, also.. (and you can ask Adam about this) but your statement "any good defensive coach..." pretty much rules out that this was a gameplan kind of thing..  Adam, we talked about this at the game...  please clarify!!  ;D

Since Hilvert's been gone, there has been no defensive coordinator..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 16, 2008, 05:39:18 PM
Good luck to Franklin against Otterbein - it's time for the HCAC to put one in the win column.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2008, 07:17:10 PM
Rod will admit he doesn't know much about football but he does what any smart person should and would do. He puts people around him who know a heck of a lot more than he does (i.e. Jim Hilvert, JPC, Coach Mac). I'm sure Rod is working on trying to find a DC. I don't think he would call the defense if he didn't need to (MSJ had great success while he wasn't the DC while he was just walking around managing the situation). You can't fault the man. He does what he has to do.

It's been years since I played defense, but I do remember our coach in high school telling us if we tackle the FB, the QB, and the HB every single time...there is no option. And honestly Kevin, I didn't see the play. I'm assuming MSJ's player thought the play was still live. At any time the QB can pitch the ball, so unless the whistle is blown, the HB is still a live target.

And sorry about not calling you back. I had Purcell's open house today and we had a student flag football tournament. We had a great turn out at the open house. I think we got about 30 names of kids who were interested in Purcell and wanted to play football. Last year they had 110 total kids show up. This year we eclipsed that in the first hour and a half.

Another big congrats to Elder. I sat through the cold of 2 football games yesterday and got to see a great one last night. The Ol Lady's excited because Elder Plays Pickerington Central (that's where she went to school) and we're going. Gonna be a lot of purple. I think Anderson's run is going to end. They have St. Francis DeSales. Hope not, but DeSales is unreal. And how about Alter putting up 31 points on a team who didn't allow a single defensive TD in the regular season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2008, 07:25:37 PM
Good luck to TMC against North Central. Though it's a 1 vs 8, it's a very winnable game for the Saints.  I think FC also has a good chance against Otterbein.

I think the big surprise will be Wheaton and Trine. I think Wheaton will beat them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 17, 2008, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2008, 05:27:22 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 05:04:01 PM
I knew I could get you fired up again!!

FYI Bengals / Eagles = most boring football game ever.  I know lots in the media hate college football OT, but a tie are you kidding me.  Although it was fitting to the rest of the game...

70... I was there.  Not only did I get up early today to meet a tailgate (girlfriend wanted this after I kinda ditched her to hang with Pat Coleman last night), but I also sat through the entire game.  I got to argue with some Philipinos wearing McNabb jerseys (they didn't know the words to the Eagle fight song -and I turned the whole crowd against them), but the part with the tie... wow.  I have no words.  One thing... I believe this is Andy Reid's last year... along with McNabb.  McNabb didn't want to be there... period.  He was god-awful and so is Reid.  He's lost the team.

No offense taken, has_been and thanks for the updates today.  I think its either Otterbein or North Central coming out of the North.  I'm going to try to make the game on Saturday up in IL.  Ott is a terrible draw for Franklin.  I was hoping Trine, CWRU, or Aurora.  Too bad... its been a great run they are on... and that offense is chameleon-like.. they have beat teams in the air and the ground this year...

While I'm thinking of it... does anyone know anything about doing play by play (radio)??  Pat and I were talking last night and I need to find a play by play guy so I can get on the air for the Playoffs (probably after round 2). 

Pscodna did the Radio for Defiance for a couple of years why dont you give him a call :)  i could imagine how that coversation would go
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 17, 2008, 09:33:26 AM
Sayer i went to the Alter game and it was not even close they dominated Coldwater almost the whole game.  Coldwater who averaged 56 pts a game only had 1 drive and that was the TD to Start (although Alter had 2 INT in the drive called back on penalty)

Coldwaters other 2 TD's came on a muffed punt which was returend and an INT at the 3yd line.  the RB for Alter going to Wisconsin is the hardest running kid i have ever seen.  he took over and dominated the 4th quarter.


best football play i ever have seen in Highschool this kid made against Fairmont is on Youtube  search Chris Borland Alter Flying Tackle
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2008, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 17, 2008, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2008, 05:27:22 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2008, 05:04:01 PM
I knew I could get you fired up again!!

FYI Bengals / Eagles = most boring football game ever.  I know lots in the media hate college football OT, but a tie are you kidding me.  Although it was fitting to the rest of the game...

70... I was there.  Not only did I get up early today to meet a tailgate (girlfriend wanted this after I kinda ditched her to hang with Pat Coleman last night), but I also sat through the entire game.  I got to argue with some Philipinos wearing McNabb jerseys (they didn't know the words to the Eagle fight song -and I turned the whole crowd against them), but the part with the tie... wow.  I have no words.  One thing... I believe this is Andy Reid's last year... along with McNabb.  McNabb didn't want to be there... period.  He was god-awful and so is Reid.  He's lost the team.

No offense taken, has_been and thanks for the updates today.  I think its either Otterbein or North Central coming out of the North.  I'm going to try to make the game on Saturday up in IL.  Ott is a terrible draw for Franklin.  I was hoping Trine, CWRU, or Aurora.  Too bad... its been a great run they are on... and that offense is chameleon-like.. they have beat teams in the air and the ground this year...

While I'm thinking of it... does anyone know anything about doing play by play (radio)??  Pat and I were talking last night and I need to find a play by play guy so I can get on the air for the Playoffs (probably after round 2). 

Pscodna did the Radio for Defiance for a couple of years why dont you give him a call :)  i could imagine how that coversation would go

haha... well, I don't think he'd like being called a *ussy.  It would definitely come up at some point... but I would be as professional as possible on the air.   Then again, it could be like that scene with Brent Musberger and Dan Fouts in "Waterboy" when the great old QB, Fouts (me) says to the old guy (P) "Shut up, Brent"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2008, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 17, 2008, 09:33:26 AM
Sayer i went to the Alter game and it was not even close they dominated Coldwater almost the whole game.  Coldwater who averaged 56 pts a game only had 1 drive and that was the TD to Start (although Alter had 2 INT in the drive called back on penalty)

Coldwaters other 2 TD's came on a muffed punt which was returend and an INT at the 3yd line.  the RB for Alter going to Wisconsin is the hardest running kid i have ever seen.  he took over and dominated the 4th quarter.


best football play i ever have seen in Highschool this kid made against Fairmont is on Youtube  search Chris Borland Alter Flying Tackle


Alter only put up 39 on us...grant it, it was 32-0 at half. What's amazing is Alter's GCL schedule does nothing to help them. They beat everyone by 30 points and their starters are out by halftime in most games. Word around is Alter tries to play the GCL South teams, but Elder, St. X, LaSalle, and Moeller won't play them. Yet, Purcell Marian has to????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2008, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2008, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 17, 2008, 09:33:26 AM
Sayer i went to the Alter game and it was not even close they dominated Coldwater almost the whole game.  Coldwater who averaged 56 pts a game only had 1 drive and that was the TD to Start (although Alter had 2 INT in the drive called back on penalty)

Coldwaters other 2 TD's came on a muffed punt which was returend and an INT at the 3yd line.  the RB for Alter going to Wisconsin is the hardest running kid i have ever seen.  he took over and dominated the 4th quarter.


best football play i ever have seen in Highschool this kid made against Fairmont is on Youtube  search Chris Borland Alter Flying Tackle


Alter only put up 39 on us...grant it, it was 32-0 at half. What's amazing is Alter's GCL schedule does nothing to help them. They beat everyone by 30 points and their starters are out by halftime in most games. Word around is Alter tries to play the GCL South teams, but Elder, St. X, LaSalle, and Moeller won't play them. Yet, Purcell Marian has to????

its been this way since 1992.  That year... CJ beat Elder, Alter beat Moeller and and we lost in the final moments AT LaSalle.  We never played another south team again...nobody from the "North" did. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 17, 2008, 12:55:33 PM
This is Alter's best team ever, they will beat stuebenville for state and I think would easily win state in D2-6.  IN D1 they would take Region 1-3 and would compete in Region 4 but would be a battle to get past Elder/Colerain and purely a size across the board issue.  They have more size than most D1 programs but those guys are huge at all positions.  it is hard to play the who played who scenario, but they did play Fairmont a D1 Region 4 playoff team and beat them something like 56-7 in a rivalry game.  Fairmont beat Centerville and Wayne and nearly beat Northmont twice and Northmont should have beat Elder who won region 4.

gmc south has no reason to play them.  they lose it is devistating to lose to a D4 Team, they win and it is devistating to the Harbin Points in the most competitive region in the state so they still lose.  other than a great game there is no reason to schedule it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 2sportdevil on November 18, 2008, 11:21:38 AM
What about Jack Horner?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
Quien es ese?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 18, 2008, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
Quien es ese?

ENGLISH PLEASE....I don't speak stupid.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on November 18, 2008, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 18, 2008, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
Quien es ese?

ENGLISH PLEASE....I don't speak stupid.

Quien es ese? = Who is that?
He's asking who Jack Horner is, y sí, usted habla estúpido.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
Quote from: rscl70 on November 18, 2008, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 18, 2008, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
Quien es ese?

ENGLISH PLEASE....I don't speak stupid.

Quien es ese? = Who is that?
He's asking who Jack Horner is, y sí, usted habla estúpido.


si, si Pedro!! 

Adam, I'm suprised you don't need Espanol with your employer!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 18, 2008, 04:12:25 PM
Permite hablar de comienzo algún fútbol!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 04:22:48 PM
Estamos hablando del balompié usted idiota del defiance! Su universidad y Thomas More de Franklin del tiempo de la segunda fase... más universidad son todavía vivos. Deplorable, la universidad del defiance no es porque aspiran!

Necesito algunas cervezas y a una muchacha bonita.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 18, 2008, 04:26:40 PM
PLAYOFFS? DID SOMEONE SAY PLAYOFFS?
Franklin @ Otterbein   
November 22, 2008
TAILGATE AND RALLY

This is a call out to all Franklin College football fans to join the Touchdown Club for a pre-game tailgate as the Grizzlies take on Otterbein College in the first round of the NCAA DIII Playoffs. The tailgate will be set up in the east side of the Campus Center West Parking Lot located on the corner of Grove and Home.  It is the parking lot marked with the letter "L" on the map. Follow this link for a campus map of Otterbein: http://www.otterbein.edu/admission/visit/maps/colormap.asp .
Pre-game meal – Meat, buns, baked beans, fresh-cut French fries, condiments and place settings will be provided with donations being accepted to defray food costs.  Special thanks to Bea and Chris Northcott for their donation of Black Angus steak for steak sandwiches and Lori Hutchens and David Richey for their monetary donation.  Lunch will be served from approximately 10:30 a.m. until 11:45 p.m., to allow for the noon kickoff.  We ask everyone to bring a side dish or dessert to share and a cooler of your favorite beverage.
Otterbein's Athletic Department has asked me to spread word that they are a dry campus and their security officers will enforce the alcohol ban.
This is an event for all Franklin College football fans; you don't have to be a member of the Touchdown Club to join in the food, fun and football. 
Please contact me at 317-695-1106 or chris@proindustries.com to let me know what you would like to donate or if you have any questions.
Go Grizzlies!

Chris Lynch
Franklin College Touchdown Club
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2008, 06:05:51 PM
Keith McMillan will be covering the game for D3football.com, just FYI.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 18, 2008, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 04:22:48 PM
Estamos hablando del balompié usted idiota del defiance! Su universidad y Thomas More de Franklin del tiempo de la segunda fase… más universidad son todavía vivos. Deplorable, la universidad del defiance no es porque aspiran!

Necesito algunas cervezas y a una muchacha bonita.

Leave it to a couple of silk-boxered, ex-QBs to remind me of colonia workdays in the hospitals in "The Valley."  Better be looking at some Herradura Anejo if peeking at the second round like that.  ;D  What the hey, Defiance got their coverage courtesy of Dick "I'm in it for the name recognition" Kaiser.  LOL 

Meanwhile, "press 3" and request Deutsch or "0" for operator to avoid the long lines.   ;)  Safe travels to Naperville, Kevin - pack your long woolies.  :D

How's Oxy looking as far as matchup with Willamette, BP?  Stay outta the line of fire, and hope there's no smudging of that nursery...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JAdaPrince on November 18, 2008, 08:33:38 PM
Unfortunately for all the HCAC fans, the conference will stay winless in the playoffs as Otterbein will beat Franklin ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 09:16:07 PM
North Central Coach John Thorn on Thomas More:

"They are a lot faster than we thought they would be," Thorne said. "They have good size and like to spread things out. We've got to stop the run first and control the ball ourselves and get some points on the board."

I love this time of year...there are so many articles, great ones at that about teams and players in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2008, 10:09:36 PM
Oh, I remember that Kaiser guy.  Didn't he come from Olivet College to Defiance?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 18, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 04:22:48 PM
Estamos hablando del balompié usted idiota del defiance! Su universidad y Thomas More de Franklin del tiempo de la segunda fase... más universidad son todavía vivos. Deplorable, la universidad del defiance no es porque aspiran!

Necesito algunas cervezas y a una muchacha bonita.
El queso es viejo y mohoso.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 18, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 18, 2008, 06:25:57 PM

How's Oxy looking as far as matchup with Willamette, BP?  Stay outta the line of fire, and hope there's no smudging of that nursery...

I'm still hung on the Willamette/Oxy matchup ???.  I am ticked off at the NCAA for making them play each other in the first round though.  I was hoping to go to Oxy's game thinking they were going to be a 2 seed & host a game, but nooooooooo, the NCAA wants to be cheap & mess up the whole point of earning a top seed b/c of travel distances.  Hopefully Oxy wins & I'll get to catch a second round game.
Thanks for the concern about the fires & nursery.  The air quality has sucked over the past couple of days, but the painting is done!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 19, 2008, 07:44:56 AM
Quote from: JAdaPrince on November 18, 2008, 08:33:38 PM
Unfortunately for all the HCAC fans, the conference will stay winless in the playoffs as Otterbein will beat Franklin ...

Maybe you need to do some research before you post something that is not true.

I do not have a college degree, but for the conference to stay winless in the playoffs wouldn't that mean a team in the conference has never won a playoff game? ??? I believe Hanover beat Hope in the 2000 playoffs 20 - 3. Therefore that gives us HOPE ;D that Franklin will defeat Otterbein Saturday.

If your going to try and trash talk come up with something better than this.

Care to elaborate on why you think Otterbein is the winner of this game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 19, 2008, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 18, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 18, 2008, 06:25:57 PM

How's Oxy looking as far as matchup with Willamette, BP?  Stay outta the line of fire, and hope there's no smudging of that nursery...

I'm still hung on the Willamette/Oxy matchup ???.  I am ticked off at the NCAA for making them play each other in the first round though.  I was hoping to go to Oxy's game thinking they were going to be a 2 seed & host a game, but nooooooooo, the NCAA wants to be cheap & mess up the whole point of earning a top seed b/c of travel distances.  Hopefully Oxy wins & I'll get to catch a second round game.
Thanks for the concern about the fires & nursery.  The air quality has sucked over the past couple of days, but the painting is done!

You're married - the painting is NEVER done... ;D 

"It's always somethin'"
                   - Rosanne Rosannadannah
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tv112 on November 19, 2008, 12:13:35 PM
OTT vs. FC  ( round 1 )
Weather :  Thur & Fri chance of snow
Game day looks like no prec., but the high temp. will be 38.
OTTS rushing game is outstanding, although their passing game averages are not as high as FC, check out their pass effecency rating. They can put the ball in the air with the best of them, when they need to. Should be a good game, but bring some warm clothes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2008, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 19, 2008, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 18, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 18, 2008, 06:25:57 PM

How's Oxy looking as far as matchup with Willamette, BP?  Stay outta the line of fire, and hope there's no smudging of that nursery...

I'm still hung on the Willamette/Oxy matchup ???.  I am ticked off at the NCAA for making them play each other in the first round though.  I was hoping to go to Oxy's game thinking they were going to be a 2 seed & host a game, but nooooooooo, the NCAA wants to be cheap & mess up the whole point of earning a top seed b/c of travel distances.  Hopefully Oxy wins & I'll get to catch a second round game.
Thanks for the concern about the fires & nursery.  The air quality has sucked over the past couple of days, but the painting is done!

You're married - the painting is NEVER done... ;D 

"It's always somethin'"
                   - Rosanne Rosannadannah

:on What's this you say??? :D  I just can't wait till the room is finally finished w/ furniture, are rug, curtains, & what ever else will go in there & the wife not to like it & I'll start over from square one.  I do it happily considering she is the one that has to carry the child for 9 months!  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2008, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: tv112 on November 19, 2008, 12:13:35 PM
OTT vs. FC  ( round 1 )
Weather :  Thur & Fri chance of snow
Game day looks like no prec., but the high temp. will be 38.
OTTS rushing game is outstanding, although their passing game averages are not as high as FC, check out their pass effecency rating. They can put the ball in the air with the best of them, when they need to. Should be a good game, but bring some warm clothes.

Franklin is only allowing 2.6 yards per carry this year, but they haven't played a team to Otterbein's caliber either.  I agree that it will be a good game.  I still think Otterbein is going into the playoffs as one of the top teams to beat, so hopefully Franklin comes in ready to knock some heads & move on to round 2.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2008, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 19, 2008, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 19, 2008, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 18, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 18, 2008, 06:25:57 PM

How's Oxy looking as far as matchup with Willamette, BP?  Stay outta the line of fire, and hope there's no smudging of that nursery...

I'm still hung on the Willamette/Oxy matchup ???.  I am ticked off at the NCAA for making them play each other in the first round though.  I was hoping to go to Oxy's game thinking they were going to be a 2 seed & host a game, but nooooooooo, the NCAA wants to be cheap & mess up the whole point of earning a top seed b/c of travel distances.  Hopefully Oxy wins & I'll get to catch a second round game.
Thanks for the concern about the fires & nursery.  The air quality has sucked over the past couple of days, but the painting is done!

You're married - the painting is NEVER done... ;D 

"It's always somethin'"
                   - Rosanne Rosannadannah

:on What's this you say??? :D  I just can't wait till the room is finally finished w/ furniture, are rug, curtains, & what ever else will go in there & the wife not to like it & I'll start over from square one.  I do it happily considering she is the one that has to carry the child for 9 months!  

and server was your personal SOBER taxi...for 9 months.  Take advantage of that...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 19, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Don't you fret, Has_Been, your opportunity to carry the water will go well beyond 9 months.  Re. painting - "Honey, the nursury looks great, but it kinda clashes with the hallway, don't ya think?"  "Ooooh, that looks good, but the colors in our room are not in the feng shui motive, now - we need more flow."  "I don't know qabout you, dear, but the living room looks sorta dingy compared to the rest." 

After year two, "It's too da*ned bad that the outside doesn't look as nice as the inside."  Year three - "The paint's peeling in the kids room, and the overall look is too infantile - git er done!"  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tv112 on November 19, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
dc - OTT went for 117 yrds  and two rushing touchdowns against MUC, #1 rushing defense in the nation, only giving up 43 per game. I think OTT's rushing game will tell the story in this contest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2008, 02:59:16 PM
SaintsFan- believe me, I'm taking advatage to the DD & it goes beyond 9 months b/c she still needs to feed the baby for 6+months afterwards.

cave2bens- I know, I've already started to prepare painting the livingroom next  :D.

tv112- that is why I said, "they (Franklin) haven't played a team to Otterbein's caliber." 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 19, 2008, 03:37:28 PM
Why do they start the the playoff games at 12:00 pm  instead of 1:00 or 1:30?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 19, 2008, 05:46:21 PM
my take is that the light starts to fade earlier
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2008, 05:50:49 PM
Or perhaps hope that fans will be 1 to 1.5 hours less inebriated? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
Or it is done so they "start drinking heavily" (to borrow that Animal House quote) to keep warm!!! ;D ::) :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 20, 2008, 06:46:24 PM
All you have to remember about early football games & drinking is that it is noon somewhere in the world ;).  Considering I live on the west coast & games start at 9, I have to use some excuse to make it feel acceptable.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2008, 09:49:33 AM
I like Pat's take on the "Suprise of the North Central Region"....

Pat: That any one of the four teams in the lower half of this bracket have a chance of making the regional finals, while one of the two best teams (North Central or Otterbein) will be eliminated by the end of the second round.


I obviously agree with this assessment, though he's probably pointing more to Wheaton than the others...

They also pick the scores on the "Triple Take".  If some of you haven't seen this feature, its very good.  They have very knowledgeable guests on there (especially the guys from week 11)  ;).  Check it out:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/11/21/triple-take-first-round-predictions/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 21, 2008, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2008, 09:49:33 AM

They also pick the scores on the "Triple Take".  If some of you haven't seen this feature, its very good.  They have very knowledgeable guests on there (especially the guys from week 11)  ;).  Check it out:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/11/21/triple-take-first-round-predictions/

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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2008, 10:58:40 PM
easy now... I could've been talking about Pat and Keith!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 01:48:24 PM
Franklin leads Ott 21 - 14 early in the third quarter.

Also heard Thomas More was leading North Central 7 - 0 in the first half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 01:50:49 PM
Thomas More 10
North Central 13  2nd quarter 9:56


NCC just scored a TD with the key play being a long pass by QB Franthorpe.  One potential game changing fumble nullified by catch interference.  TMC would've had the ball on the NCC 2 yard line.  Sounds like it was a good call... it was 10-6 at that point.

Thomas More is moving the ball, as expected.  

Pat and crew sounds good..  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2008, 01:53:13 PM
Otterbein is driving & showing Franklin they can pass too & drive down the field.  Then they decide to run & Franklin's D holds up making Otterbein settle for a field goal. 
Looking good Franklin, hopefully they continue to play tough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 01:55:12 PM
Ott kicks field goal FC 21 - OTT 17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 01:59:29 PM
Stellman gets picked off for the 3rd time this season...  Sulo 30 yard TD run. 

20-10 NCC.  TMC missed the kickoff and has the ball on their own 8 yard line.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:01:36 PM
Touchdown pass for OTT. OTT now leads FC 24 - 21.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2008, 02:06:56 PM
This is an exciting game that is for sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:10:29 PM
Touchdown pass FC Rupp to Gregory for 47yds. FC now leads 28 - 24 6:06 in the 3rd.

Rupp has passed for over 300 yds while they have only 4 yds. rushing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2008, 02:13:28 PM
Do you think Franklin will try to stop Otterbein on a 3rd and long???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
They have not this quarter as OTT scores again and leads 31 - 28.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:21:21 PM
Another Rupp touchdown pass extra point missed. FC 34 - OTT 31.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 02:24:20 PM
NCC 20-10 at halftime.

Matt Clark intercepted a pass at the goal line to quell another NCC drive.  

TMC's safeties are getting beat repeatedly deep.  If they don't step up this half and play like they have all year, its going to be a blowout.  Talking with some alums via text, we can't believe this development.  I'm not there, so I can't say if this is the fastest WR's as a group that TMC has faced, but our safeties are sure making it sound that way.

Time to wake up.

TMC is definitely upset at the way the half ended on a 14 point run for NCC>.... and they should be.  They let the Cardinals escape the first half with a lead.

the Saints have run for 45 yards... i see them pulling out a few tricks... and breaking a couple long ones.  W&J held them to that output if you take away the long runs also.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:26:14 PM
WOW, Franklin recovers fumble and Rupp throws another touchdown pass to Gregory and now leads 41 - 31.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:40:07 PM
Touchdown OTT 41 - 38 with 12:29 left to play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:46:33 PM
Chad Rupp throws his 7th touchdown pass of the game and is 38 - 59 for 501 yds. They have a -1 yds rushing. Score FC 48 - 38 with 11 minutes to play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 02:55:02 PM
After a 63 yard run by Bennet Rupp runs it in from the twelve yard line.  With 8:17 left FC 55 -  OTT 38.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
thats great, KYGrizz...


I'd say thats a win. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 22, 2008, 03:07:51 PM
61-38?  ;D  Pour it on, Grizzlies! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 03:15:54 PM
OTT answers... 62-45.

TMC gave up another TD pass.  37-10 NCC  12:00 minutes left.

TMC is driving, but its academic. 


Franklin at NCC will be a shoot out next week.  1,000 total yards next week?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 03:20:05 PM
Final FC 62 - OTT 45. Congratulations to the Grizzlies on the first D3 Playoff victory.

Looking for a comeback by TMC for a matchup at Franklin. But it looks like a rematch from last year against North Central as they try to avenge their last minute defeat last year in the playoffs.

Way to go Coach Leonard and Coach Theo. Good Luck next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 22, 2008, 03:35:23 PM
Franklin and Otterbein tried to give us some insight to the Oklahoma-Texas Tech game tonight :) Congrats on the win and representing our conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 03:39:39 PM
That should be an interesting game tonight. I took Texas Tech getting 6 points tonight. Hit my first game of parlay as West Virginia covered the 7 point spread as they beat U of L by 14.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 22, 2008, 04:28:32 PM
Awesome win for the Grizz.

Let's both take care of business next Saturday and have a little get-together at Faught Stadium in two weeks!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe Wally on November 22, 2008, 06:09:55 PM
Agreed.  Tremendous effort by FC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 22, 2008, 06:25:47 PM
Go Franklin! What a HUGE program win. I couldn't be happier for Coach Leonard.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 22, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
thanks to all for the bash props and hcac regulars. FC played great today and showed the Mt Union conference that being 9-1 doesn't mean crap unless you win in the playoffs  (we should know from last year lol)

OC got a real taste of chad rupp/  I know i was sick and tired of hearing about OTT and their rune game.  FC shoved their run game up their arse. 

OTT got caught up in an old fashioned shoot-out and got popped.  Next week Naperville IL and lets see what we can do. We are hoping for an win and Bash win and little IN based war in Franklin. 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2008, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: tv112 on November 19, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
dc - OTT went for 117 yrds  and two rushing touchdowns against MUC, #1 rushing defense in the nation, only giving up 43 per game. I think OTT's rushing game will tell the story in this contest.

Otterbein went for 71 yards rushing & 1 rushing touchdown against Franklin.  I think Chad Rupp told the story in this contest.  Congrats to the Grizz, I doubted Franklin in this contest, but they really showed something today that could worry NCC next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 07:44:40 PM
Congratulations to Franklin's team and you Franklin fans on the first round playoff game.  While Franklin is obviously a very good team, I must admit that I (and I'm sure others were) was quite shocked at the huge score and margin of victory today.  Otterbein has made some great strides under Coach Loth so they have nothing to be ashamed of.  Anyway, best wishes to Franklin as they move on to the next round. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 09:21:45 PM
unbelievable... Cincinnati is up 21-7 with 12:00 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and fans are throwing oranges onto the field and in the stands.  Must be a surreal scene.  I just got a call from a young lady I know... I'm heading to Clifton (UC's campus, for those of you outside of town) to live this up.  Maybe a BCS berth if they win tonight and beat Syracuse next weekend??

Speaking of Syracuse... with Thomas More's loss... I can focus on Notre Dame now.  Three words come to mind... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??!!

I was talking with a buddy tonight.. he's a U of L fan... and we agreed.  Any team in D1 that loses to Syracuse, should be given a choice -- move to D1-AA (or whatever they call themselves) or fire the coach.

personally, I think ND needs to hire a hitman for 1/5 the price of Weis' buyout.. well not actually, but maybe they can catch him drinking with students in the dorms, or have him get a DUI.  If I were him... I'd make sure to keep myself off the "Front Page" and stay on the "Sports Page" because I'm SURE ND's new athletic director is looking for a reason...he has to answer to alumni. 

Ridiculous that he has a $20 million buyout.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 22, 2008, 09:45:33 PM
ND situation is interesting.  The official line that they are on track seems hollow compared to what other programs are doing in same amount of time.  Why can't ND admit that the high admission standards, etc have an effect?  Not every kid can come to ND like they can at Alabama, OU, etc. 

Pretty sad, the students are booing and throwing snowballs.  When our team loses we just go back to the lot, pop another beer, and turn up the tunes.  No need for violence.




Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: fc_alum_84 on November 22, 2008, 09:45:33 PM
ND situation is interesting.  The official line that they are on track seems hollow compared to what other programs are doing in same amount of time.  Why can't ND admit that the high admission standards, etc have an effect?  Not every kid can come to ND like they can at Alabama, OU, etc. 

Pretty sad, the students are booing and throwing snowballs.  When our team loses we just go back to the lot, pop another beer, and turn up the tunes.  No need for violence.







I think admission standards for the athletes has been relaxed a bit.  The question isn't talent, I believe.  I just don't think Weis is a "rah-rah" guy... ala, Lou Holtz.  They just don't look like they are ready to run through walls when they take the field.

I know that you don't want to be too emotional, but dmn... be proud of putting on that jersey. 


Ok, thats it.  I'm off to Clifton for real this time.  28-7, UC   4th quarter.. we are Orange Bowl bound... and Clifton should be off the hizzle tonight (did I just say that?). 

How about Oklahoma also?  Wow.. talk about laying an egg, I bet Tech would like to hit the reset button and start over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2008, 09:54:37 PM
fcalum84- I see you are a tasteful winner.  He have managed to do a great job racking up the negative karma points, especially running your mouth to people that have been on this board a lot longer than you plus in the OAC board.  Be proud of your school for winning a HUGE game.  Don't be a donkey's behind & talk smack to people who've been around & have added great things to d3football as a whole.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 23, 2008, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 03:39:39 PM
That should be an interesting game tonight. I took Texas Tech getting 6 points tonight. Hit my first game of parlay as West Virginia covered the 7 point spread as they beat U of L by 14.

OUCH...that was a serious butt whoopin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 23, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
loved the UC game last night.  hilarious at the end when Pitt is trying all of the laterals and all you see are oranges firing past they players from the stands.  i am sure the Catskeller was rockin
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyBall on November 23, 2008, 11:01:28 AM
Congrats FC huge win yesterday. Defense did a great job in slowing down the run and did a great job defending the pass when it counted. Scottty Martin played a heck of a game along with the rest of the defense. Offense played outstanding Mr. Rupp 41-62 527 yds 7 Tds and 1 td rushing. Mr Deffner 10 catches 169 yds and 5 tds. Let's keep the ball rolling fellas!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 23, 2008, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 23, 2008, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 22, 2008, 03:39:39 PM
That should be an interesting game tonight. I took Texas Tech getting 6 points tonight. Hit my first game of parlay as West Virginia covered the 7 point spread as they beat U of L by 14.

OUCH...that was a serious butt whoopin. 

That was really a good pick wasn't it. I also took Pitt getting 6. What a great night of football. :'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2008, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 23, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
loved the UC game last night.  hilarious at the end when Pitt is trying all of the laterals and all you see are oranges firing past they players from the stands.  i am sure the Catskeller was rockin

That was hilarious seeing the oranges.  All UC has to do is take care of business now with Syracuse.  Brian Kelly actually coaches his teams, so I think they are home free. 

I was in Clifton last night -- WOW.  I closed down The Holy Grail.. about 3 blocks from the stadium. 


Great win by Franklin yesterday.  Enjoy it.. beating a 2nd place OAC team in the playoffs for anyone other than MUC was unheard of until last year with Whitewater.  One warning though... the NCC offensive attack is impressive.  They run it well (and are very physical) and pass very efficiently with a QB that has a big time arm.  Pass defense was not an issue this season for Thomas More and their receivers ran by our DBs like they were standing still... post routes and fly patterns. 

I don't put anything past Chad Rupp, but the Grizzly defense will need to be better this week.  Otterbein wasn't known as a passing team and they made things interesting with their success with it.

That said, I'm not pulling for anyone.  I'd like to see Franklin win, but North Central is the team that knocked Thomas More out --so I'd like to see them go far also. 

The Final Four in the North Central Region are four teams that can go all the way to Alliance..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
KYGrizz,

I took the "over" last night.... it was set at 75.  65-21??  Yeah, I was very happy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 23, 2008, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 23, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
loved the UC game last night.  hilarious at the end when Pitt is trying all of the laterals and all you see are oranges firing past they players from the stands.  i am sure the Catskeller was rockin
Perhaps I'm the only one that sees things this way (heaven knows that the ESPN guys encourage such behavior), but those fans were lucky that they didn't cost the Bearcats the ballgame last night.  All of this "storming the field" crap is dangerous and uncalled for, especially before the game is over.  There were students on the field during all those laterals.  Quite frankly, they should have been flagged, and Pitt should have been given an untimed down to try to score again.

Flame on if you wish.  I can take it.  I was pulling for the Bearcats as much as any fan of Ohio football.  I know the students are excited and they want to celebrate with their team.  But there is a time and place to do so, and on the field during the game is not it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2008, 04:36:36 PM
I was hoping Oklahoma would hang 70 on them...just for sh!ts and giggles. That was amazing. When I watched Texas Tech play Ok. State, I couldn't believe what I was seeing and honestly thought no defense would ever hold that team to less than 30 points. Oklahoma was playing as fired up when they were up 42-7 in the 2nd half as they were when it was the start of the game. Absolutely amazing. That game and Florida beating Ohio State were the 2 best all around games I think I've seen any college team play.

On a side note, Oklahoma and Franklin weren't the only teams who were playing basketball on turf. Abilene Christian beat a team 93-65. They tried the Millsaps approach at the end of the game to try to put up 100. I guess Abilene's football team doesn't share the same Christian values as the rest of the school :)

Word around is Brian Kelly's name is being mentioned as the next Tennessee coach. The man is going to a BCS Bowl playing 5 different QB's in a season. Are you kidding me? He's won everywhere he's been and is well on his way to being one of the best coaches in the NCAA if he's already not. Get your tickets now for the UC-Oklahoma game at Nippert next year.


Congrats to both Anderson and Elder. I didn't think Anderson would win. DeSales is one hell of a football team and Anderson beat them to get a chance to win state championship #2 in as many years. Elder has their work cut out for them when they play St. Ignatius. St. I's defense is sick and may be the only defense in the state to hold down the Panthers. The Big Red and Alter play in D4 action.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2008, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2008, 09:21:45 PM

personally, I think ND needs to hire a hitman for 1/5 the price of Weis' buyout.. well not actually, but maybe they can catch him drinking with students in the dorms, or have him get a DUI.  If I were him... I'd make sure to keep myself off the "Front Page" and stay on the "Sports Page" because I'm SURE ND's new athletic director is looking for a reason...he has to answer to alumni. 

Ridiculous that he has a $20 million buyout.

I think I've been saying for years that Ty Willingham wasn't given a fair shot and was fired prematurely to bring in a man who had no clue about the college game. Even when ND was getting smacked around in Bowl games, I kept saying wait for it...wait for it...and now it's here. Say all you want, and all my ND friends still say Ty spent too much time on the greens, but I believe this was the same time frame (approx.) that Ty willingham was given. If Notre Dame doesn't fire Charlie Weiss for his poor performance, they will look like Bigots. I'm not making an argument for Ty Willingham, as I think he's an average coach, but the way the whole situation went down, the way ND jumped the gun after Weiss won with Willingham's players, and the overall expectations ND fans have, despite the academic standards, I think Charlie Weiss deserves the same fate...in fariness only.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2008, 08:17:03 PM
Sayer:

I have to agree with you on that i.e. your opinion on the current ND situation and what they should do.  Also, I must add that if Brian Kelly bolts for Tennessee, then we should designate his new nickname as being the "Nick Saben clone" and/or "the Larry Brown of college football).  While no one would criticize his past desires to have landed a major college level head coaching job, certainly by bolting for Tennesse only after two years at Cincy (and only after 3 at Central Michigan, while courting for the Iowa State and Michigan State jobs back then), he would certainly earn the "nomatic" (and no loyalty) designation characteristic of Saban and Brown.  IMO, that would be sad.

BTW, I do not feel sorry for Philip Fulmer at Tennessee.  He was responsible for ousting Johnny Majors and did it in a very mean way.  While perhaps it was indeed time for a change at Tennessee back then, his disingenousness in the way it was done including Fulmers own personal comments and actions he made about Majors were very unprofessional.  Anyway, as that old saying goes "what goes around, comes around". ;) - how true.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2008, 08:18:54 PM
Oops!  I misspelled "nomadic".  Then again, perhaps I should designate this as a new word i.e. a comination of a nomad and automatic  ;D ::) :P ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2008, 08:41:52 PM
Being "Nomadic" is a result of the almighty dollar. I think his train would stop at Tenessee for a while though as I don't see many other institutions who will pay him more.

I had a discussion with my future father-in-law that he can't ask for a better situation at UC. He'll always have a legit opportunity to play in a BCS game assuming he puts a quality product on the turf...which I don't think will be a problem for him. That conference is terrible. If UC is smart, they throw a nice hefty contract extension his way as a result. Think about how much UC will get from the Orange Bowl or wherever they play (assuming the Mighty Orange don't beat them)? I would even argue his chances of playing in the Championship Game will be better at UC than Tenessee due to the funk-john set up of the BCS.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2008, 08:50:33 PM
And how about this for fairness:

USC beats Ohio State by 33 points and OSU dropped from #5 to #14. Oklahoma beats Texas Tech by 44 and the game wasn't even THAT close, and Texas Tech drops from #2 to #7. BULLSH!T...I'm now convinced none of these voters really know what's going on. Seriously. Texas Tech deserved to drop 10 spots after that performance. For crying out loud, Oklahoma was a 1/2 yard from putting 70 on them.

Pat,
If UMHB beat North Central like Oklahoma beat Texas Tech...where would North Central drop? I'm just asking for an estimate from an expert? I'm guessing 15 or worse.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2008, 09:04:16 PM
The worst drops in our poll tend to be about 12 positions but keep in mind, too, that there are twice as many schools in Division III, so it's harder to get into the Top 25 in the first place.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2008, 08:50:33 PM
And how about this for fairness:

USC beats Ohio State by 33 points and OSU dropped from #5 to #14. Oklahoma beats Texas Tech by 44 and the game wasn't even THAT close, and Texas Tech drops from #2 to #7. BULLSH!T...I'm now convinced none of these voters really know what's going on. Seriously. Texas Tech deserved to drop 10 spots after that performance. For crying out loud, Oklahoma was a 1/2 yard from putting 70 on them.

Pat,
If UMHB beat North Central like Oklahoma beat Texas Tech...where would North Central drop? I'm just asking for an estimate from an expert? I'm guessing 15 or worse.

Adam, you're totally overlooking the timing.  When OSU got squashed by USC, there was very little 2008 data available.  By the Time Texas Tech got massacred, they already had some VERY impressive recent victories.

Dropping drastically early in the season should be no real surprise.  By late in the season there is a much more complete 'body of work' to call on, and one game (however lop-sided) doesn't, and shouldn't, count for as much.

As for your specific example to Pat, if MUC stomped NCC it would be in the national semi-final.  No way would NCC drop all the way to 15! ;)  (Besides, I think the voters by now have a special 'Mt. Union clause' - getting stomped by them is not much of a disgrace!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2008, 10:12:33 PM
um, first... Ty Willingham was a mistake... and they took out the garbage when they got rid of him.  Like it or not --- color or no color... he deserved to be fired.  Look at what he's done at Washington... more like what he's undone at Washington.  0-11 in 2008? 

The thing that complicates in the case of Weis is the fact they gave him a huge extension following the close game in 2005 with USC.  $20 million is the buyout.  He's not going anywhere unless all the Catholic Churches start taking up a collection for this at each Sunday Mass.

Weis has been bad... but I've had time to think today and change for the sake of change will not help.  He's got really good talent there.  Make him change offensive coordinators and then if he sucks again early next season then cut him loose. 

Hopefully UC steps up with Brian Kelly and gets kind of a hometown discount.  Kelly can win the Big East yearly... and his family LOVES Cincinnati.  Going to Tennessee will not be smart... all the pressure to win... of a whole state?  I bet once Cincy steps up with a really good contract offer... he's signed-sealed-delivered.  He can be king of Cincy.  UT will chew up most Coaches... and he knows that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2008, 11:42:30 PM
Sayer:
You are right about the $ thing.  However, I guess I'm a traditionalist (and perhaps not a "realist" I guess in today's world ;D) in that he's already getting good $ at Cincy and $ isn't everything IMO.  Honoring contracts has seemed to have gone by the wayside along time ago, and while I realize in these other levels of "business" college football, a school can fire a coach anytime, but the the buyout clauses and/or severence fees are in place for the coaches. 

SaintsFAN:
I agree with you %100 on your comments regarding Kelly and Cincy.  D'antonio complained about the crowds at Cincy and while obviously they are not like at MSU or U of M, ND, etc., nonetheless, when Cincy has success, Nippert is full and it is a great, neat old stadium to play in.  Besides, like you say, if they have success and continue to build the program, a good bowl game is always possible.  When Cincy was in its "infant" stage of trying to build a "big time" DI program, they had, at least at one time, rated the most difficult independent schedule of all the DI programs.  They got smashed year in and year out, but with the parity and changes in DI the past few years as many of you have discussed here on the boards and that we all know, programs like Cincy (also like South Florida, Central Florida, etc., which started as DIII programs) can have decent success at this level.  Heck, I hate to sound like a broken record, but I always also point out schools like Northwestern.  A fine year they've had and while they won't be the powerhouse that most programs like the "really big ones" are, they are very competitive and can have a chance at getting a nice bowl game in years they do well.  Of course, all that could be "blown away" (then again maybe not ;D), when DI goes to the playoff system like FCS, DII and DIII. ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 24, 2008, 08:54:44 AM
who knows what will happen to Kelly.  I hope he stays but a raise from 1M a year to 3M and a record 30k crowd to an average 107k crowd cna do a lot for someone with a big ego.  they beat a good team in the orange or sugar bowl and they will start next year ranked even though they lose a lot on Defense.  go undefeated in a BCS conference and you will get looked at for the big game.  it is a  heck of a lot easier to do that in the big east than the SEC.  he coaches another 20yrs and he will be shooting for that 50% of the time at Cincy and will be lucky to do it 2x in the SEC.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 24, 2008, 08:54:44 AM
who knows what will happen to Kelly.  I hope he stays but a raise from 1M a year to 3M and a record 30k crowd to an average 107k crowd cna do a lot for someone with a big ego.  they beat a good team in the orange or sugar bowl and they will start next year ranked even though they lose a lot on Defense.  go undefeated in a BCS conference and you will get looked at for the big game.  it is a  heck of a lot easier to do that in the big east than the SEC.  he coaches another 20yrs and he will be shooting for that 50% of the time at Cincy and will be lucky to do it 2x in the SEC.



Good analysis dc-alum.  I agree.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see just how really big his ego is (which will obviously really confirm or refute those suppositions from the recent years after he left Grand Valley).  I hope he stays at Cincy - I think it would be a "win-win" situation for both the school and him.  Besides, I could easily live on just a measly 1 M. ;D  Who needs 3? ;D ::) :P



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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
Somehow, my reply got included in your previous quote - guess I hit the wrong button.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 24, 2008, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
Somehow, my reply got included in your previous quote - guess I hit the wrong button.

Must be a function of "advanced maturity?"  My excuse is a malleted bird-what's yours, Sir?

BTW, I'll get that kid's specifics to you in the next week or so - I'll see him over T'giving.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2008, 02:04:06 PM
In reference to this issue, the radio said this morning that if UC beats Syracuse, then Brian Kelly will be up to $294,000 in bonus money. If he is named the coach of the year, he will earn an extra $50,000 putting his final bonus at $344,000.

Tyrone Willingham may have been bad, but he was fired unfairly in order to bring in Charlie Weiss. Had Charlie Weiss not been available, Ty Willingham would have been at ND for another year or maybe longer had he had the success with Brady Quinn that Weiss had. I think Charlie Weiss's shortcomming is he can't develop players. He's spent so much of his coaching life in the NFL and didn't need to worry much about player development. They were already studs when they got to him. He's not equipt to mold a young QB into a star.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2008, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2008, 08:50:33 PM
And how about this for fairness:

USC beats Ohio State by 33 points and OSU dropped from #5 to #14. Oklahoma beats Texas Tech by 44 and the game wasn't even THAT close, and Texas Tech drops from #2 to #7. BULLSH!T...I'm now convinced none of these voters really know what's going on. Seriously. Texas Tech deserved to drop 10 spots after that performance. For crying out loud, Oklahoma was a 1/2 yard from putting 70 on them.

Pat,
If UMHB beat North Central like Oklahoma beat Texas Tech...where would North Central drop? I'm just asking for an estimate from an expert? I'm guessing 15 or worse.


Dropping drastically early in the season should be no real surprise.  By late in the season there is a much more complete 'body of work' to call on, and one game (however lop-sided) doesn't, and shouldn't, count for as much.

As for your specific example to Pat, if MUC stomped NCC it would be in the national semi-final.  No way would NCC drop all the way to 15! ;)  (Besides, I think the voters by now have a special 'Mt. Union clause' - getting stomped by them is not much of a disgrace!)

Tech had some impressive victories, but they still lost by 44 points...and damn-near gave up 70. And those impressive victories were at home against an Oklahoma State team who is decent but by no means great (I bet Oklahoma beats them by 20 at least) and Texas. The Texas win was impressive but at the same time, if Texas's DB's play defense instead of doing their best impersonation of powder-puff football on the sideline, Texas would still be #1.

How many teams in Division 1 history have finished in the top 10 despite losing a game by 40 or more points and giving up 65 or more points to the other team? I don't know for sure, but I'd be confident saying ZERO. I do agree that early in the year you are more likely to drop. A) there is more time to make up the difference and B) you don't have the body of work. But there is no reason for a team to only drop 5 spots after a performance like Tech gave on Saturday.


And my DIII example involved UMHB beating North Central...not MUC. Getting beat by MUC by only 50 points may indicate you're a top 5 team :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2008, 02:47:39 PM
Sorry, I misread you're d3 example.  IF it happened this year, it would have to be in the Stagg and NCC would have already beaten MUC, so I don't think there'd be much of a drop! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 24, 2008, 03:07:15 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 24, 2008, 08:54:44 AM
who knows what will happen to Kelly.  I hope he stays but a raise from 1M a year to 3M and a record 30k crowd to an average 107k crowd cna do a lot for someone with a big ego.  they beat a good team in the orange or sugar bowl and they will start next year ranked even though they lose a lot on Defense.  go undefeated in a BCS conference and you will get looked at for the big game.  it is a  heck of a lot easier to do that in the big east than the SEC.  he coaches another 20yrs and he will be shooting for that 50% of the time at Cincy and will be lucky to do it 2x in the SEC.



A perfect example of what you said was two years ago for the University of Louisville. I believe after beating West Virginia the were ranked as high as #3 in the BCS poll then lost to Rutgers the following week. If they would have beaten Rutgers they probably would have gotten a good shot at being in the big game since they would have finished their season undefeated. They still went down and beat Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl.

Boy how things have changed in two years after Petrino left. Finished 6 - 6 last year with no bowl bid and can not finish any better than 6 - 6 again this year. If they lose to Rutgers their last game of the season they will finished last in the Big East. They are already calling for Kragthorpes head and even Tom Jurich the AD is catching some flack too. These fickle U of L fans down here actually thought they could compete with the likes of Florida, Ohio State, Texas, etc. on a yearly basis and had a dynasty going on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 24, 2008, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
Somehow, my reply got included in your previous quote - guess I hit the wrong button.

Must be a function of "advanced maturity?"  My excuse is a malleted bird-what's yours, Sir?

BTW, I'll get that kid's specifics to you in the next week or so - I'll see him over T'giving.


cave2bens:

I don't have one of those, my friend ;) ;D  But you did get the right answer for me - and you did it with kindness! ;D :D.  Anyway, I will await hearing from you after you've had the opportunity to talk with the young man.  I wish you and your family a blessed Thanksgiving holiday this week...

and I wish the same for all of you/my other friends/colleagues here on the HCAC board.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 04:09:42 PM
KYGrizz:

So they've got those kind of people (fans) down there, too - just like at some of these other places?!!!  Not a surprise, I guess.

BTW, since you are down that way, what have you heard, if anything, about Western Kentucky's venture so far in "the really big time"?  I have a friend/colleague whose brother is an assistant coach down there, so I somewhat follow their program.  They seem to have a good young staff and while it is not expected they will ever be a "powerhouse" in this new level, I would think that perhaps they have a chance at growing, kind of like Louisville, South Florida, Central Florida perhaps??  On the other hand, I could be wrong.  Regardless, it will take some time and could be a long road, but not impossible.  I would guess they have a decent fan following i.e. base, obviously much better than an Eastern Michigan (or even a Western Michigan)??  Speaking of the latter, Western Michigan is having a very good year (like Central Michigan) and yet they only drew 12,000 for their home game two weeks ago vs. Toledo.  Our Hope College was playing right across the street vs. Kalamazoo College and the about 1,000 fans in attendance were as loud as the WMU (big MAC) crowd at times :D ;D.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2008, 07:31:06 PM
We had the same situation when we played KZoo. They were playing Virginia Tech though and it was a decent crowd if I remember correctly driving by. It was sweet cause Tech scored in bunches and everytime they lit a cannon. It was like we were playing in front of the crowd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2008, 07:31:06 PM
We had the same situation when we played KZoo. They were playing Virginia Tech though and it was a decent crowd if I remember correctly driving by. It was sweet cause Tech scored in bunches and everytime they lit a cannon. It was like we were playing in front of the crowd.

That's cool, Sayer.  While Kazoo usually gets smaller crowds (although I believe that will improve with the new head coach who is an alum/former player there in due time and a new commitment by the new president and administration), Kazoo did have over 4,000 people at its Homecoming game about 3 years ago when we (Hope) played there.  Again, that combined with Western Michigan's crowd just across the street, indeed have the effect you relate.  Of course, waaaaaaaaay back when, Kazoo used to play Western (they used to scrimmage them in the 60's and '70's as well) and even in the early 'teens right after the turn of the century, Western used to play at Kazoo's field (the old, but current Angell Field) before WMU's Waldo Stadium was built.  Anyway, thanks for the follow-up story.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 25, 2008, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 04:09:42 PM
KYGrizz:

So they've got those kind of people (fans) down there, too - just like at some of these other places?!!!  Not a surprise, I guess.

BTW, since you are down that way, what have you heard, if anything, about Western Kentucky's venture so far in "the really big time"?  I have a friend/colleague whose brother is an assistant coach down there, so I somewhat follow their program.  They seem to have a good young staff and while it is not expected they will ever be a "powerhouse" in this new level, I would think that perhaps they have a chance at growing, kind of like Louisville, South Florida, Central Florida perhaps??  On the other hand, I could be wrong.  Regardless, it will take some time and could be a long road, but not impossible.  I would guess they have a decent fan following i.e. base, obviously much better than an Eastern Michigan (or even a Western Michigan)??  Speaking of the latter, Western Michigan is having a very good year (like Central Michigan) and yet they only drew 12,000 for their home game two weeks ago vs. Toledo.  Our Hope College was playing right across the street vs. Kalamazoo College and the about 1,000 fans in attendance were as loud as the WMU (big MAC) crowd at times :D ;D.
Since they have made the switch to D1 Independent they have struggled with the program. I counted about 45% of their players being from Kentucky which are the ones that U of L or U of K did not recruit.
Just my opinion, but I think they would have been better off staying where they were at.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2008, 07:14:43 PM
KYGrizz:
Thanks for the follow-up.  I tend to agree with you in that while no one likes to see those schools not do well if they end up making the commitment to go to DI, in reality, like you say, they are better off staying at the FCS (formerly DIAA).  Better to be a "big fish in a little pond" as opposed to the opposite ;) ;D.  I hate to say this, but I dare say that even the MAC schools (yes, including Central Michigan, Western Michigan) are really "high-end" DIAA (FCS) schools - i.e. while they occasionally beat a Big Ten team as has been seen this year and recent, week in and week out they cannot compete with the really big schools (guess I could eat my words this year if we include Michigan in that scenario though  ???;D ::) :P)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 25, 2008, 10:58:37 PM
I think Brian Kelly has made it known he doesn't want to coach outside the midwest.  He would be a legend at Notre Dame, because he teaches a physical style of football.  They would love him there.

Cincinnati is not his last stop, he'll end up at a Big 10 school or ND.  It would not shock me if he took the Tennessee job, thats a plumb gig.  The reason Tenn would look good to him now is, the Big 10 jobs all seem sewn up with either legends or young guys.

Illinois--Zook
Iowa--Ferentz
Michigan--Rodriguez
Michigan State--Dantonio
Minnesota--Brewster
Northwestern--Fitzgerald
Ohio State--Tressel
Purdue--new coach next year
Wisconsin--Bielema

Indiana and Penn State are the only two jobs I see opening up soon.  Indiana is a blackhole for coaches, and JoePa might go another 20 years.  Unless something shocking happens, I just don't see a Big10 job coming open he'd take in his timeframe.  He's 47 right now.


Quote from: formerd3db on November 25, 2008, 07:14:43 PM
KYGrizz:
Thanks for the follow-up.  I tend to agree with you in that while no one likes to see those schools not do well if they end up making the commitment to go to DI, in reality, like you say, they are better off staying at the FCS (formerly DIAA).  Better to be a "big fish in a little pond" as opposed to the opposite ;) ;D.  I hate to say this, but I dare say that even the MAC schools (yes, including Central Michigan, Western Michigan) are really "high-end" DIAA (FCS) schools - i.e. while they occasionally beat a Big Ten team as has been seen this year and recent, week in and week out they cannot compete with the really big schools (guess I could eat my words this year if we include Michigan in that scenario though  ???;D ::) :P)

The MAC went 5-21 vs BCS conference teams this year.   Syracuse, Indiana, Pitt, Michigan, Illinois all tasted defeat.  Only Pitt had a winning record.   Akron  had a 2 pt loss to Cincinnati.


Ball State is a great story, but there is no way this team should be invited to the big BCS party.   Northeastern, Navy, Western Kentucky , Indiana is their non-conference schedule.  In the MAC they played 5 games in their division, 3 outside.  From the other division Ball State played Miami OH 2-9, Kent State 3-9, Akron 5-6.  None of those schools has a winning record in the MAC.

The best teams Ball State played this year are Western and Central Michigan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe Wally on November 26, 2008, 07:56:13 AM
Lynch is likely to stay at IU for at least the next two years.  The athletic department has too much dead money on the books to fire another coach.

Have also heard that, in spite of the teams performance on the field this fall, Lynch managed to recruit a fairly strong class for next year.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 11:36:18 AM
I'm curious on how many consistent hcac posters that we have?  The HCAC has pretty big game this weekend & there really hasn't been much discussion.  Are there any opinions on Franklin/NCC game?  I would have thought that NCC would have had an easy win against Franklin if they played in round 1, but after Franklin's performance against Otterbein I think it will be a close game.
If Franklin can have a good day running the ball & stop Fanthorpe & force Sulo to do all the running work they'll have a good shot. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on November 26, 2008, 11:54:56 AM
I am a CCIW guy (not NCC) and I will tell you my thoughts on this weekends game:

I don't know what the Otterbein game tells us other than I suspect the OAC below the Purple people eaters is weaker than in past years. I have saw Trine play against Wheaton last weekend so I also have a good feel for the Trine/Franklin game. I have now seen Trine and NCC (and am very familiar with the OAC) so there is a common link with Franklin.

I think Rupp will be the biggest challenge the NCC defense has faced this year. His numbers are pretty sick and he has 4 guys who are all very capable to throw to. I think Franklin will get their points. NCC's defense is very strong up front and Matt Wenger will be as good a LB as you will see in D3. Their other LB's are also very good and Jancek on the DLine is a beast. I would doubt very much if Franklin can run the ball against NCC. North Central runs a pretty simple cover 2 scheme (occasional pressure) and a good qb like Rupp will pick them apart.

Having said that I think Franklin's defense will not be able to stop Fanthorpe and Sulo. They have a lot of weapons and Fanthorpe is now the 2x POY from the CCIW on offense. Trine scored 30 pts on Franklin and Wheaton just shut out Trine on their field. If Franklin gave up 30 pts to Trine I can't imagine how many points NCC will score.

All in all I think the NCC defense is significanlty better than the Franklin defense and will be able to get a few stops to keep the shootout from being a "he who has the ball last" type of contest. I expect a lot of scoring but NCC wins by 10+.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 12:23:47 PM
USee- thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 26, 2008, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 11:36:18 AM
stop Fanthorpe & force Sulo to do all the running work they'll have a good shot. 

Franklin won't be able to make the NCC offense a one-dimensional attack.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 26, 2008, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 11:36:18 AM
stop Fanthorpe & force Sulo to do all the running work they'll have a good shot. 

Franklin won't be able to make the NCC offense a one-dimensional attack.
I understand that, but I was talking in regards to making them a one-dimensional run attack instead of two.  I know Fanthorpe will still be able to throw the ball & Sulo will still put up some yards on the ground.  Taking away the run from a QB who can run may force some unwanted throws that can turn into Franklin's favor.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 26, 2008, 03:07:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 26, 2008, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 26, 2008, 11:36:18 AM
stop Fanthorpe & force Sulo to do all the running work they'll have a good shot. 

Franklin won't be able to make the NCC offense a one-dimensional attack.
I understand that, but I was talking in regards to making them a one-dimensional run attack instead of two.  I know Fanthorpe will still be able to throw the ball & Sulo will still put up some yards on the ground.  Taking away the run from a QB who can run may force some unwanted throws that can turn into Franklin's favor.

I dont think this will happen either, has_been.  I think Franklin needs to turn this game into a trackmeet for a chance... but they also need a turnover or two. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 26, 2008, 07:02:24 PM
I agree with the rest of the folks on here.  If I have to go with my head vs heart:  NCC will prevail.  Otterbein was a solid team with good players but they didn't appear to be ready for play-off intensity.  NCC is and has proven it.  Plus CCIW has proven this year to be stouter competition.

NCC 45  FC 35  (hard fought)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 26, 2008, 07:18:18 PM
Comparing the stats from last year I think that North Central comes into this game as being able to move the ball through the air or on the ground just like last year. Franklin also had a decent ground game this year where I think they lack there this year.

I am hoping to see an exciting game this year just like last year with the outcome in the favor of the Grizzlies.

Please ignore any spelling or grammar mistakes in this post and blame it on my annual pre Thanksgiving Hooters meal on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

Good Luck to The Grizzlies this weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 26, 2008, 07:28:18 PM
I hope you are right KY Grizzly.  Coors Light is my poison.  Getting ready to make pumpkin pies tonight as we host thanksgiving dinner at my house.  Heading up to Naperville early sat am and hoping for a win.  If the game is as good as last year's game then we are all in for a treat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 26, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
As I have personally found out, the top of the class in the CCIW is heads above the the HCAC's. I think FC will keep a game for a while but NCC will end up beating them...but that's why they play the game. FC has a loss to avenge from last year, and honestly, I'd like to see them do it, but I don't see it happening.

My buddy has a giant fluid sack around his testicle and is using a flashlight to show it off like a jack-o-lantern...I guess he forgot Halloween is 3 weeks past. It's gonna be a crazy night  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: New Tradition on November 26, 2008, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 26, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
My buddy has a giant fluid sack around his testicle and is using a flashlight to show it off like a jack-o-lantern...I guess he forgot Halloween is 3 weeks past. It's gonna be a crazy night  ;D

In my best Adam Sandler voice:
"AWWWW!  THAT WAS THE GROSSEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE!"  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPrR5M-wMhc (at 1:34)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 27, 2008, 10:43:44 AM
Everyone have a safe & great Thanksgiving!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 29, 2008, 02:02:46 PM
Come on! Franklin! You can do this!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 02:49:20 PM
Franklin takes the lead on their opening drive after half 24 - 21.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 03:20:02 PM
Start of the 4th quarter as Franklins takes over on downs. NCC starting QB was knocked out of the game on their last series and may not return. Franklin is driving and is in NCC territory.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 03:22:19 PM
Touchdown Franklin Franklin 31 - NCC 21 with 13:06 left to play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 03:36:33 PM
Another touchdown for Franklin as they lead 38 - 21 with seven minutes to play. Franklins defense has really stepped up this half and has only allowed 3 first doens.

If Franklin holds on I believe the HCAC will have it's first second round playoff win in conference history.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 29, 2008, 03:39:27 PM
It's lookin' pretty good, KY Grizz - and looks like Wheaton might as well have moved their campus to Indiana for month.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
Touchdown NCC 38 - 28 with 5:22 to go.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2008, 04:00:24 PM
Congrats Franklin for beating the #2 team in the country & moving on in the playoffs!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 04:01:29 PM
Interception Franklin with 52 seconds left to play. Franklin takes a knee and NCC coach will not take a timeout.

Final Franklin 38 - 28 and they will take on Wheaton at Franklin  next Saturday.

Congrats to the Grizzlies as their season continues into December.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2008, 04:05:57 PM
What a day KYGrizzly, another W for Franklin & four more posts & you move up in status!  Congrats again!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 04:10:55 PM
Let's make it three more posts, and it could be a really good day if U of K could knock off Tennessee in football for the first time in I don't know how many years and then the round ball Cats knock off West Virginia out in Vegas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
My son called me from the game and said that NCC fans said thought the fFranklin were a bunch of hillbillies. He saad he had to remind them that there are no hills around the Idianapolis area.

I guess technically they were right in calling him a hillbilly scince he is from Kentucky.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 29, 2008, 04:29:06 PM
Congrats to Franklin! on a great win. 

It is safe to say, that you now have a bunch of Wabash Faithful riding on your bandwagon.

Wheaton was very tough today and beat us all over the field.  Should be a great one next week.

Rupp is as good as it gets. 

Go Grizz!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 29, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Congratulations to the Franklin team and you Franklin fans on a great win for the program.  I guess they made some believers out of the "nay-sayers".  Some people thought NCC - a very good team - had it locked up. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 29, 2008, 04:39:34 PM
Rupp for Gagliardi!

Great win, Franklin. Keep it goin'.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 29, 2008, 04:39:34 PM
Rupp for Gagliardi!

Great win, Franklin. Keep it goin'.

You would think that Rupp would have to be right up there for All American status with the season he is having this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on November 29, 2008, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 29, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 29, 2008, 04:39:34 PM
Rupp for Gagliardi!

Great win, Franklin. Keep it goin'.

You would think that Rupp would have to be right up there for All American status with the season he is having this year.

I'll say...  Wheaton has the fun of trying to figure out how to remotely slow him down next weekend. 

Does anyone have the phone number for Tonya Hardings body guard?   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 29, 2008, 05:16:43 PM
Congrats to Franklin! The rest of Indiana D3 faithful are pulling for y'all next week!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 29, 2008, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 29, 2008, 05:16:43 PM
Congrats to Franklin! The rest of Indiana D3 faithful are pulling for y'all next week!
And a few of us Buckeyes.  Good win today, Griz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on November 29, 2008, 10:32:29 PM
Great win today, Grizzlies! Wabash looks forward to your continued success. Our 2 game seies in 2006-2007 was great football- I think the 2006 Franklin win MADE their program- coming out of nowhere to beat the LGs, who were ranked high in the polls. 2007 was a fantastic game as well, even though it cost us the QB who had just broken the school record for total offense in a game. Unfortunately the NCAC_UAA agreement avoids scheduling a rubber game, but if it comes about, I take solace in the fact that Rupp will have graduated
      Keep it coming against Wheaton. All thinking Bash-backers are on your side.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 29, 2008, 11:47:06 PM
Thanks for the accolades and encouragement from all the HCAC and Bash folks.  FC intends to keep it going one more week. Great game today.  FC held tough on D and Rupp and company did their usual days work to keep the scoreboard lights flashing.

Maybe the Sphinx Club will come down in the striped overall's and have a few beers and sandwiches with the Touchdown Club crew?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 30, 2008, 08:37:43 AM
Congrats Franklin. Had you guys played like this throughout the year, no HCAC team would have come within 30 points of you guys. Take as a thorough compliment when I say I am impressed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 30, 2008, 09:07:41 AM
Heck yea Franklin keep it rolling
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cardinaldad on December 01, 2008, 09:11:08 PM
Congrats to Franklin. I take my hat off to you. You guys played well and you are a great team. After seeing you play last year, I knew we would have our hands full. I think Wheaton will have trouble stopping your offense. Good luck the rest of the way. Perhaps we will meet again soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2008, 08:18:57 AM
just checkin' in...

Congrats to Franklin... great win.  Maybe I'll be seeing you guys at the game on Saturday?  I've got a few things to get done first.  D3football.com is sending Gordon Mann to call the game for those of you that can't make it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 02, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
Rumor on another site said the game was going to be moved to Franklin High School.

My son just called home and said that the rumor is true. He said the field was torn up pretty bad duting the Hanover game. The high school has field turf which I think was installed last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on December 02, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
Rumor on another site said the game was going to be moved to Franklin High School.

My son just called home and said that the rumor is true. He said the field was torn up pretty bad duting the Hanover game. The high school has field turf which I think was installed last year.

Thats news, I think.  Turf must be pretty bad to move the game, though.  Kudos to Franklin for doing this.  How big is the press box at the high school, KYGrizzly?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe Wally on December 02, 2008, 12:36:24 PM
Wheaton's website confirms that the game has been moved to the high school....

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/News/football/2008/12/2/fb-location.asp?path=football
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 02, 2008, 12:37:17 PM
I tried to google the field, but it was back when they had natural grass. Do not know if they built new press box when the installed the field turf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 12:37:39 PM
I live in Franklin.  The press box is equal or better IMO.  The entire facility is top of the line.  The entire campus was just built and opened for the 07/08 school year.  I was the one who posted on the CCIW site. I spoke with some folks last night who are in the know on the decision.

While I truly enjoy the FC atmosphere for the pre-game festivities, etc. The move is a good one.  Weather and field conditions should not be a factor now.  Saturday will be a great day for college football and an exciting game for both the HCAC and CCIW folks.

Somebody has to win and it might as well be FC!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 12:45:01 PM
http://www.highschoolsports.net/thebleachers/index.cfm?sc_id=IN461316171&contid=7365&viewtype=photographerSpecific&eventid=8337535

this link to highschoolsports.net has some decent photos of the field.  The field is actually nicer that the pics IMO.  I have a question:  aren't the goal posts different dimensions for NCAA??

if the link does not go directly go to the home page and type in 46131 as the zip code
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 02, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 12:45:01 PM
http://www.highschoolsports.net/thebleachers/index.cfm?sc_id=IN461316171&contid=7365&viewtype=photographerSpecific&eventid=8337535

this link to highschoolsports.net has some decent photos of the field.  The field is actually nicer that the pics IMO.  I have a question:  aren't the goal posts different dimensions for NCAA??
if the link does not go directly go to the home page and type in 46131 as the zip code
I believe high school field goals are 23'4" while college are 18'6".  So they would have to switch out the goal posts which really isn't a tough task.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on December 02, 2008, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 12:45:01 PM
I have a question:  aren't the goal posts different dimensions for NCAA??


The hash marks are also different I believe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 04:04:09 PM
Hash marks are different as well.  I am assuming there is some sort of paint etc that can be applied to cover the HS marks and add new college marks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on December 02, 2008, 04:18:40 PM
Anyone that would like a copy of the Franklin High School Campus map or Directions to Franklin High School can e-mail me at chris@proindustries.com
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2008, 05:00:49 PM
I agree - kudos to Franklin's athletic administration for moving the game (although it would have been a nice experience to have it at their own stadium on campus for that "traditional atmosphere").  Just another reason why colleges like Franklin and Hope need to install the new style turf ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on December 02, 2008, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 04:04:09 PM
Hash marks are different as well.  I am assuming there is some sort of paint etc that can be applied to cover the HS marks and add new college marks. 

No need to paint out the HS marks.  Fawcett Stadium in Canton, OH has HS, College, and Pro hash marks permanently on the field.  Jut paint on the college marks for one game.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronnie44052/32539177/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 02, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 02, 2008, 05:00:49 PM
I agree - kudos to Franklin's athletic administration for moving the game (although it would have been a nice experience to have it at their own stadium on campus for that "traditional atmosphere").  Just another reason why colleges like Franklin and Hope need to install the new style turf ;D

Actually I believe Franklin is going to install field turf and it is going to be ready for next season. Rumor has it that Ben Roethlisberger has donated the money in honor of his college coach Terry Hoepner who attended. from Franklin College.

Another rumor flying around Franklin is that the Indianapolis Colts may be moving their pre-season camp to the campus in the near future.

Like I said these are rumors that have been passed on to me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2008, 07:20:08 PM
KyGrizz:

That is great if Franklin is getting the new style turf next year and even more commendable if Roethlisberger is donating the $.  I had forgotten that Hoeppner (former Miami and Indiana coach) had gone to Franklin.

As to the Colts, I realize you are just relating rumors as you mentioned, however, I have a question.  Have you heard anything as to why they are considering a move?  Are they unhappy with Rose-Hulman?  Poor preseason crowds, etc.??  Seems like they can't make up their minds as that would be the third move in the last couple of decades they've made, going from Anderson College to Rose-Hulman and, possibly to Franklin.  They must get "itchy feet" (or something else ;D :o ::) :P :D ;) !)  Yet, at least the small colleges benefit by obtaining some great updgraded facilities.  Anyway, just curious as to the "why", if you know and/or have heard any rumors regarding that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on December 02, 2008, 07:39:59 PM
Former Wheaton College head footall coach JR Bishop is a graduate and football alum of Franklin College. In fact he is in the Franklin College Hall of Fame. He is also very good friends with Head Coach Mike Leonard. I know he still runs his camp in the summer at Franklin (bishop/dullaghan passing camp). His son is the reciever coach at Wheaton. If he is not in sunny Florida for the winter I am sure he will be there Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 02, 2008, 07:47:58 PM
QuoteAs to the Colts, I realize you are just relating rumors as you mentioned, however, I have a question.  Have you heard anything as to why they are considering a move?  Are they unhappy with Rose-Hulman?  Poor preseason crowds, etc.??  Seems like they can't make up their minds as that would be the third move in the last couple of decades they've made, going from Anderson College to Rose-Hulman and, possibly to Franklin.  They must get "itchy feet" (or something else       !)  Yet, at least the small colleges benefit by obtaining some great updgraded facilities.  Anyway, just curious as to the "why", if you know and/or have heard any rumors regarding that. 

Not exactly sure why...crowds have been excellent, facilities super at Rose...but there just seems to be a luke warm relationship there. franklin is trying to lure the Colts there...Anderson is too, that's why the stadium/field lights upgrade last year. I think Peyton and Dungy are adamant about having camp out of Indy...everybody else wants to put it at the Colts complex...something will develop in the next year or two...i think the Colts and RHIT/Terre haute are on a year to year deal...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2008, 02:04:17 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 12:37:39 PM
I live in Franklin.  The press box is equal or better IMO. 

I doubt that. All three broadcast teams are going to be outside in the elements.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 03, 2008, 06:47:36 AM
maybe from a broadcast perspective, but it should house the play callers/coaches ok.  Obviously you have done more homework than just seeing it from the field
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 03, 2008, 07:11:18 AM
it wont be that cold anyway   30's    besides that as a special treat to liven up the broadcast the listeners will get to hear the FC fans in the background (hopefully no loud cursing over bad calls or lack thereof)  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 03, 2008, 08:13:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2008, 02:04:17 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 02, 2008, 12:37:39 PM
I live in Franklin.  The press box is equal or better IMO. 

I doubt that. All three broadcast teams are going to be outside in the elements.


for REAL??  Where's Bob Gregg when you need him? 

Pat, I'm thinking they don't treat it the same way in Alliance..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2008, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 03, 2008, 07:11:18 AM
it wont be that cold anyway   30's   

Clearly you've never tried to use a laptop outdoors in that weather.

SaintsFAN, if you get to call a game from Alliance I can guarantee you'll be warm. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 03, 2008, 12:47:18 PM
Pat,

Is that because I'll be near the hot air of Grossman?? 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on December 03, 2008, 02:44:13 PM
NCAA Div. III Football Playoffs
***Elite Eight***
Franklin vs. Wheaton   
@ Franklin Community High School
December 6, 2008
TAILGATE AND RALLY

This is a call out to all Franklin College football fans to join the Touchdown Club for a pre-game tailgate as the Grizzlies take on Wheaton College in the quarterfinals of the NCAA Division III Playoffs. The tailgate will be set up in the parking lot just south of the Franklin Community High School Football Field.  We are also in the process of getting a 40' x 60' tent and heaters to help stay warm.   I have attached a map of the FCHS campus and driving directions.
Pre-game meal – We have a great meal planed this week: prime rib, beef and noodles, mashed potatoes, green beans, pork cutlets, burgers, brats, dogs and fresh-cut fries will be provided with donations being accepted to defray food costs.  Lunch will be served from approximately 10:30 - 11:45 a.m. to allow for the noon kickoff.  We ask everyone to bring a side dish or dessert to share.  Special thanks to Bea and Chris Northcott owner of Quiznos in Franklin for donation of the prime rib and Franklin's Mayor Fred Paris for donation the large tent and heat.
"The Franklin College community is very thankful to Franklin Community High School and the Franklin Community School Corporation for allowing us to hold the NCAA playoff game at their facility.  The hospitality, cooperation and assistance of the FCSC staff have been tremendous.  As guests of the school corporation, we are committed to hosting this event in full compliance with their rules and policies.  Grizzly fans should be aware that the Franklin Community High School campus is a smoke-free and alcohol-free facility.  Franklin College has agreed to provide adequate security personnel to ensure adherence to this policy." – Kerry Prather – Director of Athletics at Franklin College
This is an event for all Franklin College football fans; you don't have to be a member of the Touchdown Club to join in the food, fun and football. 
Please contact me at 317-695-1106 or chris@proindustries.com if you would like to donate or if you have any questions.
Go Grizzlies!
Chris Lynch
Franklin College Touchdown Club
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Blutarsky on December 03, 2008, 03:26:43 PM
Quote from: propower64 on December 03, 2008, 02:44:13 PM
NCAA Div. III Football Playoffs
***Elite Eight***
Franklin vs. Wheaton   
@ Franklin Community High School
December 6, 2008
TAILGATE AND RALLY

This is a call out to all Franklin College football fans to join the Touchdown Club for a pre-game tailgate as the Grizzlies take on Wheaton College in the quarterfinals of the NCAA Division III Playoffs. The tailgate will be set up in the parking lot just south of the Franklin Community High School Football Field.  We are also in the process of getting a 40' x 60' tent and heaters to help stay warm.   I have attached a map of the FCHS campus and driving directions.
Pre-game meal – We have a great meal planed this week: prime rib, beef and noodles, mashed potatoes, green beans, pork cutlets, burgers, brats, dogs and fresh-cut fries will be provided with donations being accepted to defray food costs.  Lunch will be served from approximately 10:30 - 11:45 a.m. to allow for the noon kickoff.  We ask everyone to bring a side dish or dessert to share.  Special thanks to Bea and Chris Northcott owner of Quiznos in Franklin for donation of the prime rib and Franklin's Mayor Fred Paris for donation the large tent and heat.
"The Franklin College community is very thankful to Franklin Community High School and the Franklin Community School Corporation for allowing us to hold the NCAA playoff game at their facility.  The hospitality, cooperation and assistance of the FCSC staff have been tremendous.  As guests of the school corporation, we are committed to hosting this event in full compliance with their rules and policies.  Grizzly fans should be aware that the Franklin Community High School campus is a smoke-free and alcohol-free facility.  Franklin College has agreed to provide adequate security personnel to ensure adherence to this policy." – Kerry Prather – Director of Athletics at Franklin College
This is an event for all Franklin College football fans; you don't have to be a member of the Touchdown Club to join in the food, fun and football. 
Please contact me at 317-695-1106 or chris@proindustries.com if you would like to donate or if you have any questions.
Go Grizzlies!
Chris Lynch
Franklin College Touchdown Club


Man, this is a great idea........I may do this instead of attending the Mount Union game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 03, 2008, 04:24:07 PM
you may need beverages though (adult in nature) to help keep warm. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 03, 2008, 04:36:53 PM
Blutarsky,

If both Franklin and Mount Union win on Saturday you may be able to witness it the next weekend at Mount Union.

The Touchdown Club usually puts on a good showing whether Franklin is at home or away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 04, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
Good luck this weekend FC. You've already beaten the top dawg in the CCIW. No reason why you can't beat Wheaton...which would make me very happy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 04, 2008, 08:53:16 PM
Thanks Mr. Sayer.  FC is carrying the torch for themselves and the HCAC this weekend and hopefully the torch goes on to Alliance. OH.   Some of the folks are rationalizing again over on the CCIW board. 

FC is ready to play football in the frosty December cold!!


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 05, 2008, 02:21:12 AM
As you loyal HCAC posters may or may not have noticed, I've been silent and absent from the thread this week.  This is by no means a result of thinking the season is over -- things have been pretty crazy (in a good way) at work.  Its eaten up alot of my time. 

That said, I'm also pulling for Franklin... this is a very winnable game for them.  There's a decent chance that I'm going to be calling the National Semifinals in Alliance, OH (should Mt Union win), and I'd love to see Franklin make that game.   Pat asked me on Sunday about going to Franklin to call this Regional Final, but alas, I had plans already for Saturday so I'm going to check the computer on Saturday afternoon.  Too bad this game is being played at Franklin Community HS, I hope all the students can make this game to give Franklin a homefield advantage. 

Its funny how LAST YEAR, we were talking about how the HCAC has come a long way because both Franklin and Mount St Joe earned invitations to the tournament --only to have both lose.  Fast forward to October and we were talking about how down the HCAC is as a whole... needless to say, nobody saw this run from the Grizzlies coming.   Maybe the Heartland hasn't earned respect, but dmn right Franklin has on the national stage.  I guess the only question for future Grizzly teams is... does Rupp have a younger brother (or three)?

To put all this in perspective, a Franklin grad who writes for a Floyd County/Clark County (near Louisville) fishrap... check the article out on the front page of this great website in the section titled "What else we are reading".  Pretty funny story how a player missed 45 minutes of practice due to a combination of not knowing when the practice starts and a poker game. 

Good luck this weekend to Franklin, they are playing for all teams who up to this point haven't made the playoffs, haven't won a playoff game, play in a weaker conference, and those of you that have been underdogs at any point in recent times. 

Prediction:  I look forward to seeing Franklin in person in Alliance on December 13th.


SIDE NOTE:  on the front page is a contest to win what amounts to an expenses paid trip to Salem.  Not only does this include the $400 for travel, hotel and game tickets.. but also tickets to the Gagliardi Trophy presentation and other events in Salem, VA that week.  Get on there and sign up..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 05, 2008, 04:05:29 AM
we need a youtube clip of shooter from Hoosiers talking a about how a "small school never won a state championship before" ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 05, 2008, 08:40:53 AM
I don't think Franklin's run indicates that the HCAC is any good. It means that Franklin is good. The remaining HCAC teams are still way behind on the expressway.

I will play devil's advocate for a second to stir the pot and arouse some emotions. Wheaton has a couple of advantages in this game.

1. The CCIW is a very tough conference top to bottom. When you are required to play at a high level every week, you forget how to play any other way. It's the argument the SEC makes every year and though I can't stand the SEC, it's a truthful argument. Franklin has been playing great football, but at some point, a traditionalist must say: "When's the Cinderella run going to end?" When you play the scrubs of the HCAC week in and week out, how much "Emotional Conditioning" can a team like Franklin have? The other question I ask is how much physical conditioning do they have? To play at such a high level week in and week out, when you haven't been required to do so, takes a toll physically.

2. Experience is the other. Wheaton has a strong history of being a successful playoff team. They are accustomed, coaches and players, to this type of environment, whereas Franklin hasn't been here. You could argue after last week's game, that experience isn't a big deal. I would caution that Franklin played a North Central team, whom 1 year earlier beat them on a last second play in the playoffs. NCC had playoff experience, but was NCC really a better team than Franklin? I would argue that experience didn't come into play because of the results of last year's game. When you're playing a team you are unfamiliar with, any type of familiarity provides comfort.

3. The 2nd to last is weather. Sure, Franklin plays in a cold weather environment in Central Indiana, but not much around the midwest is Chicago-Cold. I've been "blessed" to feel how Dante visioned the inner layer of Hell. Last time I checked, the offense Wheaton runs is simple, precise, and is extremely hard to stop. And it's a "cold-weather" type of offense. Short precise routes, quick-hitting runs, play action to routes in the flats. They do not make many mistakes and since they don't do a whole lot, their technique is damn-near flawless, and they can block any front, stunt, or blitz you can throw at them. Their offense will do one other thing as well...keep FC's offense on the sideline, limiting the number of mistakes FC can make.

4. The last point is this: Wheaton has only lost to 1 team in the playoffs since 2002. That team is Mount Union. Against everyone else, Wheaton is 5-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 05, 2008, 09:26:35 AM
the move to the high school in my opinion favors Franklin.  unless there is a poker game going on (funny article) the students who would have walked 10 min across campus will get in a car and drive 10 min.  Franklin needs to make this a track meet and playing in the muck would of held them back.  the biggest downside is the best tailgate around was moved to a location that is booze free and they are enforcing it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Blutarsky on December 05, 2008, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 05, 2008, 09:26:35 AM
the move to the high school in my opinion favors Franklin.  unless there is a poker game going on (funny article) the students who would have walked 10 min across campus will get in a car and drive 10 min.  Franklin needs to make this a track meet and playing in the muck would of held them back.  the biggest downside is the best tailgate around was moved to a location that is booze free and they are enforcing it.

OK, I'm now out.....Alliance here I come.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on December 05, 2008, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 05, 2008, 08:40:53 AM
3. The 2nd to last is weather. Sure, Franklin plays in a cold weather environment in Central Indiana, but not much around the midwest is Chicago-Cold. I've been "blessed" to feel how Dante visioned the inner layer of Hell. Last time I checked, the offense Wheaton runs is simple, precise, and is extremely hard to stop. And it's a "cold-weather" type of offense. Short precise routes, quick-hitting runs, play action to routes in the flats. They do not make many mistakes and since they don't do a whole lot, their technique is damn-near flawless, and they can block any front, stunt, or blitz you can throw at them. Their offense will do one other thing as well...keep FC's offense on the sideline, limiting the number of mistakes FC can make.

Adam, good analysis thanks for posting it. I am a Wheaton guy and have seen most of their games and most of their playoff games. I know the experience of the coaches certainly helps and this years Sr. have been there before. Other than that you give Wheaton way too much credit. I think Wheaton's running game can be an advantage but a couple of teams have stopped them this year. Their technique is far from "flawless" and they often miss stunts and blitz assignments. They have some playmakers that make it look like they know what they are doing but they aren't that different than most D3 teams in that regard (If I see another corner blitz go unblocked I might scream!)

Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 05, 2008, 08:40:53 AM

4. The last point is this: Wheaton has only lost to 1 team in the playoffs since 2002. That team is Mount Union. Against everyone else, Wheaton is 5-0.

Actually, the ONLY team Wheaton has ever lost to in the playoffs is Mt Union in Alliance. 0-5 at the Purple altar. They have beaten Baldwin Wallace, Wittenberg, Mt St Joe's (2x), Wabash, Hope, Trine, and Alma in their 6 trips to the playoffs since 1995.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 05, 2008, 05:17:08 PM
Thank the NCAA gods that we still get to decide it on the field to see the great playoff matchups like the one coming up tomorrow at Franklin High.  Good Luch Franklin and a little BCS humor going into the weekend...

The BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II while the US Ranked 4th

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented " France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."

Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 05, 2008, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 05, 2008, 09:26:35 AM
the move to the high school in my opinion favors Franklin.  unless there is a poker game going on (funny article) the students who would have walked 10 min across campus will get in a car and drive 10 min.  Franklin needs to make this a track meet and playing in the muck would of held them back.  the biggest downside is the best tailgate around was moved to a location that is booze free and they are enforcing it.

we will still have a drink or two  we just gotta be careful   pour it in a cup my friend!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 06, 2008, 09:43:33 AM
Best of good fortunes to the Griz today - stay warm and focused on the prize (if one can consider Alliance in December a winter, oops I mean "winner."

Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 05, 2008, 08:57:00 PM


we will still have a drink or two  we just gotta be careful   pour it in a cup my friend!!

The old Sorel, felt lined boots may be considered unstylish, but are very effective - each pair can handle 4 half pints of Yukon Jack as ankle supports.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 06, 2008, 10:02:56 AM
GOOD LUCK TO THE GRIZZLIES TODAY!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on December 06, 2008, 12:01:13 PM
Great interview with JR Bishop on WETN before the game. JR was head coach at Wheaton for 23 yrs but played at Franklin and is in both school's Hall of Fame.

JR said he spoke to the president at Franklin 2x in the hiring process of Mike Leonard and is very close w Coach Leonard. They spoke this week before the game. JR says he is very torn but will be "the only person at the game that both wins and loses". He said he didn't want the two teams to play because of his close ties with both programs.

JR Bishop is one of the truly class people an is everybody's friend. A great coach and a great man.

Good Luck to the Grizzlies today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2008, 01:40:50 PM
Quote from: USee on December 06, 2008, 12:01:13 PM
Great interview with JR Bishop on WETN before the game. JR was head coach at Wheaton for 23 yrs but played at Franklin and is in both school's Hall of Fame.

JR said he spoke to the president at Franklin 2x in the hiring process of Mike Leonard and is very close w Coach Leonard. They spoke this week before the game. JR says he is very torn but will be "the only person at the game that both wins and loses". He said he didn't want the two teams to play because of his close ties with both programs.

JR Bishop is one of the truly class people an is everybody's friend. A great coach and a great man.

Good Luck to the Grizzlies today.

USee:

Although I did not/do not know him personally, I remember him well from my playing days when we (Hope) played Wheaton (still have some game programs in my collection).  Indeed, we always heard what you say about him - a class coach and person.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 06, 2008, 02:06:11 PM
After Franklin scores a touchdown to make it 31 - 21 Wheaton, the Thunder returns the kickoff for a touchdown to make it Wheaton 38 - Franklin 21 with 3 minutes to play in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 06, 2008, 02:55:13 PM
Final Wheaton 45 - Franklin 28.

Congratulations to the Grizzlies on a great season.

Good Luck to the Thunder next week against Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: usee on December 06, 2008, 03:07:28 PM
Congratulations to Mike Leonard and the Grizzly's for a great season. Chad Rupp is the real deal. You have a great team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on December 06, 2008, 03:18:24 PM
Congrats to this Grizzly team, you made the school proud.

Rupp will be remembered for a long time at FC.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 06, 2008, 03:35:37 PM
Great run and great season for FC.  With some continued good recruiting and some news guys stepping in, looking forward to another great year.  Thanks to all the other folks from the HCAC and our friends in Crawfordsville for the support.  Wheaton is a great team. They were the better team today and Franklin gave it 100%.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on December 06, 2008, 06:01:49 PM
Great run Franklin!  Sorry we won't see you in Alliance.  Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on December 06, 2008, 08:57:57 PM
Congrats on an outstanding season for Franklin.  After seeing Rupp play in person and in less than desirable conditions, he is even better than I had anticipated.  Wow!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 06, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
Glad you finally made it Mugsy and I see you made it back without sliding off the interstate.  What did you think of the facilities??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on December 06, 2008, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 06, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
Glad you finally made it Mugsy and I see you made it back without sliding off the interstate.  What did you think of the facilities??

Much easier on the ride home than it was this morning.  There were no less than 5 jack-knifed semi's this morning. 

Very, very impressive for a high school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
Way to go Grizzlies on the great season and let's go all the way to the Stagg Bowl next year.  :)
Good luck in Alliance next week Wheaton... you're gonna need it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
NOT intended as a knock - I honestly don't know.  With all-world Chad Rupp graduating, is the team set to continue this year's success, or will they take a big step back?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on December 06, 2008, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
Way to go Grizzlies on the great season and let's go all the way to the Stagg Bowl next year.  :)
Good luck in Alliance next week Wheaton... you're gonna need it.

Umm... Wheaton has 5 playoff loses.  All to Mount Union.  All by at least 21 points, if not worse.  We fully understand what we are up against.  You don't need to inform us of the fact we will need "some luck" in Alliance.   :P ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 07, 2008, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
NOT intended as a knock - I honestly don't know.  With all-world Chad Rupp graduating, is the team set to continue this year's success, or will they take a big step back?

Was wondering the same thing...Anderson tanked after losing all everything QB Joe Steele a few years back.  there are a lot of great players are Franklin with some depth even though there are several who are multi year starters that turned the program around similar to MSJ of a couple years ago.  so the question for the offseason is will they die off like Anderson or have built a HCSC dominate machine for a few years like MSJ.  my vote is the later coaches are too good to think they will die off
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 07, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
Well, I have read all of your posts over the past 3 years, and now that my career ended yesterday, I figured I would join you all!  Looking forward to following and chatting about the Grizzlies with all of you!


On the Grizzlies for next year?
The whole offensive line returns except for one guard.  Two solid running backs return, and a good group of recievers return.  The quarterback vacancy left by Rupp will be a three way race between two guys that will be juniors and one that will be a sophomore.  It should be interesting.  It wont be easy to fill Rupps shoes, however, the newly appointed qb will have pretty good players around him.  I think the Grizzlies will be all right on offense.  Defensively, D-line will be the biggest question mark.  The strength will be having several linebackers back with experience.  The dbs will be OK as well.  There might be some moving around of positions to fill the holes left by McManus, Smythe, and Rulon.  Should be interesting and fun to see how it all pans out!!!

Go Grizz!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2008, 05:07:59 PM
Welcome to the board -- hope you stay around!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 07, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
Thanks Pat!  I couldve waited a few more weeks to sign up!! But everything happens for a reason.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 07, 2008, 07:36:36 PM
Kevin, I mean Keith Jackson...will you be in Alliance on Saturday calling the game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
GrizzPride:

I join our Moderator/Owner Pat in welcoming you to the board(s).  Even though I'm a "MIAA guy", I frequent this HCAC board to discuss with my friends here.  Congrats to you on your just finished career and fine season.  You will have many great life-time memories from that and I'm sure we'll look forward to you sharing some of those here and adding your own insight and opinions to the discussions here as well.

P.S.  You are welcome to "chime in" over on our MIAA board on occasion as well.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on December 07, 2008, 07:55:45 PM
GrizzPride,
Congratulations on a great season.  I was really looking forward to seeing you in Alliance. (After all, you guys did some serious damage to our "OAC pride.")  Good luck to you after graduation and good luck to your Alma Matter in future seasons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 07, 2008, 10:05:01 PM
Thanks for the kind words!  It has been one heck of a ride, that is for sure.  I actually transferred to FC after going to a NAIA school.  Totally different mindset and ball game.  I NEVER thought I would be at Franklin College, and it was the best decision of my life.  Division 3 football only enhanced my experience.  What a great thing D3 football has going right now.....loved every minute of it!

RSC- Thanks and I wish we were preparing to head to Alliance as well!!!  Would have been nice to have been able to say I was able to play against the Purple Raiders during this unbelievable dynasty they have had for 15 years!!!  Was able to watch film of them against Otter.....great team!  Good luck this weekend!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 08, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
GrizPride,

As a parent of a Franklin Alumni I would like to congratulate you and the entire team on your outstanding season. I know my son enjoyed his four years there and made friends he will never forget.

Good Luck to you in the future after graduation. Like others have said stick around on the message board it gets very interesting on here at times.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 08, 2008, 08:52:32 AM
Sayer,

Not sure yet... might be going up no matter what. 

GP.. welcome.  Congrats on using up your eligibility.  Its something that in 10 years from now, you can brag about with your kids and then eventually grandkids.  If you take a sales job... you will close more sales by talking about the days when you played college football. 

Franklin next year: 

Lets let them celebrate this year before we start talking about the harshness of what happens when the best player in the history of your football program graduates.... and yes., its like THAT. 

They will still be in contention for the HCAC and probably even go undefeated again in the conference... but I think we're all either kidding ourselves or taking something away from Rupp if we think they'll just reload at QB. 

Think about it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 08, 2008, 09:19:45 AM
KyGrizzly, 

This is actually your son's roommate!!!   :D

He loves Franklin College football.  He is just as happy in a win as we all are, and just as upset when we lose.  I think that has made FC such a great place to play for.  Our fans are nothing short of amazing.  Success helps this of course!! We played in 5 different homecoming contests this year, and nothing compared to the FC homecoming, or the Victory Bell game, let alone the three playoff games.  I think we had more fans than Otter and North Central did and we were on the road!  It was awesome!

SaintsFan,

Good points, replacing Chad Rupp is not possible!! He was a great person and player to play with.  The Grizzlies need to focus on continuing to get everyone else better that is involved on the offense.  This will only help whoever becomes the next quarterback.  I expect the Grizzlies to shine next year, however, even without Chad Rupp.  You will see more running from the Grizzlies Im sure, especially with almost the whole Oline back, one of which will be in his 3rd year starting, and the other 2 will be 4 year starters!  That has to make the newly appointed quarterback feel pretty darn safe! Should be fun and interesting!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 08, 2008, 09:35:02 AM
GrizPride,

I did a little research by checking out your E-mail and thought it may be you. Keep my son and future daughter in law out of trouble, I know you will have your hands full.

Also, tell him football and tailgating is over now and it is time to start working out for spring training for baseball next season. When he was home for thanksgiving he looked like he was catching up with me weight wise. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 08, 2008, 09:54:48 AM
I will try my best to keep them out of trouble!! No easy task indeed!

He is going to have to help me drop some of these lineman lbs off, so we will be hitting the tracks and weightrooms more frequently as opposed to the local hangouts...lets hope!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2008, 12:21:20 PM
The only way you stay out of the local hang out is by moving and finding a new one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 08, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Very true Adam. Trust me from experience, there is no trouble ever finding a new hangout.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 08, 2008, 01:34:43 PM
What is everybody's take on the BCS Championship Bowl game this year. Did they get it right this year or is it proof that there should be some form of a playoff just like DII and DIII.

I think I know how the fans Texas would vote. I wish they would have matched Alabama and Texas against each other in one of the games. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 08, 2008, 02:18:45 PM
I think they have the two teams that are playing the best right now. 

I don't think you can make a case for any of the other teams, including Texas.  Oklahoma is playing the best football right now against great competition.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 09, 2008, 12:44:21 PM
The goal of the BCS is to get the best 2 teams in the Nat'l Championship game. I think that is the case this year. I like how everyone wants to throw around the head to head to include Texas, but if you do that, then you must take into account Texas Tech...but no one wants to do that. I don't understand why. They have just as much to the argument as anyone else. If Texas was playing, then Tech could argue that isn't fair because they won. Since you can't take into account the H2H, then you take into account when you lost. Oklahoma lost the earliest and as a result, was able to make up ground. We've said all along that it's ok to lose...as long as you lose early.

I don't like the BCS, but this year the two best teams are playing for the Nat'l Championship. Running up the score or not, putting up the points Oklahoma did the last 6 weeks is impressive...as Kevin stated, against "quality" competition. However, anyone who still argues the BCS is a playoff system because it creates a playoff from the regular season should be committed to a mental institution.

I will say Boise State should be in a BCS game over Ohio State. They scheduled a decent team outside of conference play and beat them (#17 Oregon) and other than that game, they have averaged beating teams by 29 points. They have also beaten 5 teams who will be playing in Bowl Games...though I think that's kind of a moot point considering College football's practice of rewarding 6-6 and 7-5 teams with Bowl Games....whereas they would rather give a 10-2 a BCS bowl over a 12-0 team??? God love the almighty dollar!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 09, 2008, 02:41:48 PM
Isnt this what is great about the D3 playoffs???  FC would probably have been in a bowl comparable to the Gator Bowl or Alamo Bowl, but proved themselves to be apart the elite 8 and therefore would have been a BCS bowl.  Same goes for Wheaton, heck they wouldve been in the motor city bowl, look at them now!

Stoops has a good point, if you look head to head, yes Texas beat OU, but Texas Tech as also 11-1, and Tech beat Texas if you want to look at head to head.  Its a sticky situation.  I do think the Sooners and Gators are playing the best ball right now!! Give a plus one at least please.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on December 09, 2008, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: GrizPride on December 09, 2008, 02:41:48 PM
Isnt this what is great about the D3 playoffs???  FC would probably have been in a bowl comparable to the Gator Bowl or Alamo Bowl, but proved themselves to be apart the elite 8 and therefore would have been a BCS bowl.  Same goes for Wheaton, heck they wouldve been in the motor city bowl, look at them now!

Come on now... Wheaton could have made the Roady's Humanitarian bowl, the magicJack St. Petersburg bowl, the R+L Carriers New Orleans bowl, or the Papajohns.com bowl.  Give Wheaton some credit...  ::) :P ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on December 09, 2008, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: GrizPride on December 08, 2008, 09:54:48 AM
I will try my best to keep them out of trouble!! No easy task indeed!

He is going to have to help me drop some of these lineman lbs off, so we will be hitting the tracks and weightrooms more frequently as opposed to the local hangouts...lets hope!

Don't let the folks running the Willard hear about this!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
Is anyone else heading up to the National Semi-Finals at Mount Union on Saturday?  I'm heading up on Friday night and will be calling the game with Matt Florjancic for D3football.com . 

I think there's a group of people from post patterns meeting at a restaurant/bar in Alliance, hscoach is putting that together.

I was just interested to see if anyone else is going to be going up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 09, 2008, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: Mugsy on December 09, 2008, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: GrizPride on December 09, 2008, 02:41:48 PM
Isnt this what is great about the D3 playoffs???  FC would probably have been in a bowl comparable to the Gator Bowl or Alamo Bowl, but proved themselves to be apart the elite 8 and therefore would have been a BCS bowl.  Same goes for Wheaton, heck they wouldve been in the motor city bowl, look at them now!

Come on now... Wheaton could have made the Roady's Humanitarian bowl, the magicJack St. Petersburg bowl, the R+L Carriers New Orleans bowl, or the Papajohns.com bowl.  Give Wheaton some credit...  ::) :P ;D


OK OK OK Mugsy.....solid points,  just thought it would sound better going from the Motor City Bowl to the Sugar/BCS Champ/Rose etc......hahahaha!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 09, 2008, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
Is anyone else heading up to the National Semi-Finals at Mount Union on Saturday?  I'm heading up on Friday night and will be calling the game with Matt Florjancic for D3football.com . 

I think there's a group of people from post patterns meeting at a restaurant/bar in Alliance, hscoach is putting that together.

I was just interested to see if anyone else is going to be going up.

Will not be making the trip but will plan on listening in on your call of the game. Make sure you give GrizPride and the rest of the Grizzlies some airtime on Saturday.

Speaking of bars, I think I am going to stop at a bar after work and celebrate. We just received word we have gotten a 1.4Million dollar project we bid on yesterday. :) Have a good night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2008, 05:29:06 PM
kygrizz,

cool.  i think most of the people on this website will listen to the MUC call --they do a really nice and fair job of reporting what they are seeing. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2008, 10:07:26 AM
I'd really like to go...and probably would with Kevin if I had the weekend off. We have a tournament up at Troy Christian unfortunately :( At least I have a good team to work with.


Did anyone get Sports Illustrated's pictures of the year issue? They had a nice shot of current Mount Saint Joseph wrestler, Dustin Carter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 10, 2008, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: GrizPride on December 09, 2008, 02:41:48 PM
Stoops has a good point, if you look head to head, yes Texas beat OU, but Texas Tech as also 11-1, and Tech beat Texas if you want to look at head to head.  Its a sticky situation.  I do think the Sooners and Gators are playing the best ball right now!! Give a plus one at least please.

i think i will take Mack's side.  TT did win at home primetime environment on a last second nearly miracle set of plays.  Oklahoma got their a$$es whooopped by Texas on a neutral field.  yes a 10Pt game is a whooping UT dominated the second half. 

it is all BS decided by humans.  just like OSU laying an egg the last 2 years so there is a feeling among voters that they cant get to the big game which made their rankings week to week very odd.  not that they deserved to be higher at the end of the year jsut the week to week did not make sense just like the week to week the last 3 on the UT OK flip floping a couple times.

personally i think OK and florida are probably right now a good number 1 and 2 becuase the points they put up.  but do you really downplay Texas for not running up the score and throwing deep up 50-60 pts?  the other thing Florida and OK would NOT put up 50 on the USC Defense they lost to Oregon State but thhey ended up being pretty good and that was a last second game to.

all i knnow is in D3 the top 4 teams right now are still playing ball with an equal shot at the title...well only if you consider Wheaton playing in Alliance equal :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 10, 2008, 01:28:47 PM
DC Alum

I like your points as well.  I was just saying I do understand what Stoops is saying if you just want to look at head to head, points aside.  I do think it is the right national championship matchup.

Just a plus one system would help us even more though! USC, UF, OK, and Texas........but then we have Bama and PSU....geez!  Maybe it should be a year by year basis, all the undefeated and one loss teams in a tourney?  8 team playoff only takes 3 weeks! Start it the week before the new year, semis on new years, championship on the normal date! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
GrizPride,

Don't worry about DC70... when he's wrong, we just remind him that he's A. Defiance grad  B. an ex-offensive lineman.


Actually, he does bring up a point about running up the score and D3's "Final Four", though I think Wheaton will put up some offense.  Something like a 45-24 final on Saturday in Alliance.

Sayer, you can always call in sick...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on December 10, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2008, 10:07:26 AM
Did anyone get Sports Illustrated's pictures of the year issue? They had a nice shot of current Mount Saint Joseph wrestler, Dustin Carter.

I saw that - he is one amazing individual.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2008, 06:30:44 PM
*for the record:  I would much rather be calling this game with Franklin playing at Mount Union... that would've been cool.   But I guess I'll have to settle for a helluva game.  Just look at the two offenses represented in the North Region team..  I don't want to say this will be an easy task, calling the game.. but there will be plenty to talk about... not like when Wilmington plays MUC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2008, 08:26:17 AM
I am kind of sick. I felt like I had the flu on Monday, and haven't been able to take a solid crap since Sunday night. I have a buddy who's finishing Med School in the Spring and he thinks I have something called Viral Gastro-intestinitis (or something that sounds similar). Apparently it takes about 2 weeks to run it's course. In the meantime, I get to look forward to 10 more days of a raw bottom, crapping water, and feeling like my large intestine is a Clown's balloon. This morning I sharted myself. I told the old gym teacher and he told me I need to start living by his principles: "Never trust a fart."

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2008, 09:01:03 AM
Good Lord, Sayer.  Thats TMI. 

By the way, you should've already been living by that principle... it probably would've saved your favorite boxers long ago when you shat yourself when Thomas More beat you guys at Mariemont.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 11, 2008, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2008, 01:49:42 PM

Don't worry about DC70... when he's wrong, we just remind him that he's A. Defiance grad  B. an ex-offensive lineman.

Funny coming from a grad of the Kentucky Ivy League who is B. an ex-qb who wishes he had me blocking for him or half his brain would not still be matted in the concrete turf of Alma (FYI the DC QB was fine after our gaem with them)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 11, 2008, 09:15:17 AM
Sayer you rock it is not that you crapped yourself at work (who hasnt) it is you told someone and my guess were a little proud about it...is it really all that different than running out of money and living on Beast Ice for a semester?  I think charmin puts out some baby whipes for adults.  get some depends then you'll never have to worry about trust issues.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2008, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 11, 2008, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2008, 01:49:42 PM

Don't worry about DC70... when he's wrong, we just remind him that he's A. Defiance grad  B. an ex-offensive lineman.

Funny coming from a grad of the Kentucky Ivy League who is B. an ex-qb who wishes he had me blocking for him or half his brain would not still be matted in the concrete turf of Alma (FYI the DC QB was fine after our gaem with them)

haha.... yep, you and Derek Bosse on our left side would've been REALLY good.  It was actually our RT that gave up the hit on me.  He blew out his knee 4 plays later and never played again.  He's now a cop in Cincinnati --which is key because he owes me.  You bet I'll call in that favor if I need it.

And that turf was awful... but I think I was knocked out before we hit the ground.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 11, 2008, 10:09:12 AM
we played Alma the next week...i second the notion you were out cold before you hit the ground.  it was quite amusing in the films looking back now that i know you.  was not as ammusing for our RT Gaurd/Tackle as they realized the beast they had to block
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 11, 2008, 10:19:11 AM
I didn't know Thomas More was considered an Ivy League School. :D No kidding aside though SaintsFan, when my son visited Thomas More we were really impressed with Coach Hallet. If he had not of chosen Franklin I believe Thomas More was his next choice.

70_dc_alum, I responded yo your PM but my outbox does not show it. Just curious if you got it.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 11, 2008, 10:09:12 AM
we played Alma the next week...i second the notion you were out cold before you hit the ground.  it was quite amusing in the films looking back now that i know you.  was not as ammusing for our RT Gaurd/Tackle as they realized the beast they had to block

Justin Harris.  He made first team All American on this website in 1999.  I talked chit to him the whole first half (he probably hit me on every play that we threw the ball).. he's the one guy I wished I hadn't talked to during the game.   formerd3db was the doctor on the field that day... thats how and why we are so close now.  He's the one poster that has met me AND both of my parents. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2008, 12:53:29 PM
I wouldn't call it proud...but I never miss an opportunity for a good, quality joke. Even if it is on my behalf.

The one downside to coaching wrestling is I miss out on the football opportunities this time of the year. Traveling to Alliance, hitting up the Orange Bowl, or even spending the cash to go to Arizona to watch my Buckeyes. I really wish I could :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 12, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
Coaches

If any of you know of any GA positions opening, or if you know of any high school teaching and coaching jobs opening let me know! I am Phys Ed and Health, but am willing to go the special ed route, will look into Indiana, Cincy, Chicago.....Thanks for any help!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 12, 2008, 03:19:52 PM
KYGriz Got your PM little differnt than what I dabble in.  Only thing I have right now in Louisville is trying to get into Humana, let me know if you know any big shots over there that would be willing to spend a couple million :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 12, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
fellas,

Entering Alliance was good.. even though it was dark and snowy.  I'm excited to see this game tomorrow.  Met some Wheaton fans (former player) and his dad... who has a son/brother on the current team.  Very nice people...

Off to meet hscoach and the others... we need to get a group together next year and do this as a group at some point in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2008, 09:48:28 PM
SaintsFAN:

Glad you made the drive safely.  I wish I could be there to join you and the others.  I hope you  have a great time and hopefully it will be an exciting game.  Dress warm.  Talk to you later.

Your friend,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2008, 09:50:31 PM
GrizPride:

You may either have forgotten or perhaps not seen it before, however, Pat has a column which posts coaching openings for D3 and contact information.  Look for it soon - he usually has it on the right side column on the main front page of this website.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 13, 2008, 01:26:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 12, 2008, 09:48:28 PM
SaintsFAN:

Glad you made the drive safely.  I wish I could be there to join you and the others.  I hope you  have a great time and hopefully it will be an exciting game.  Dress warm.  Talk to you later.

Your friend,
formerd3db

Thank you kind sir.  Your name came up a few times tonight at the gathering.  Thats not a bad thing.  Seems that most people know "our story" on how we met.  Thanks for the warning about the clothing required tomorrow to be comfortable, luckily I will be in the booth with Ric, hscoach, and USee... I will be warm ... comfortable even. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 13, 2008, 05:22:03 AM
Quote from: GrizPride on December 12, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
Coaches

If any of you know of any GA positions opening, or if you know of any high school teaching and coaching jobs opening let me know! I am Phys Ed and Health, but am willing to go the special ed route, will look into Indiana, Cincy, Chicago.....Thanks for any help!

The only way you're teaching special ed in Ohio is with a Catholic school and from what I hear, most of them will only let ou do it if you are working towrds a Master's in special ed (ala myself). Kentucky can emergency certify people in certain subjects/disciplines, I don't know if Indiana does something similar, but Ohio keeps you where you're certified as far as I know. Any Catholic School oppoerates on their own agenda and can offer a non-tax certificate. Another math teacher at Purcell whom I coach wrestling with has a degree in communications.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 13, 2008, 07:04:52 PM
Thanks for the advice and suggestions....I know Indiana does offer emergency liscenses.....If I were to get a special ed job, I would be taking one class per semester to hold onto that temp liscense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2008, 08:49:48 AM
As much as I would like to see some new blood in the Stagg Bowl, last year's game between these two teams was a pretty good football game. Hopefully this year's will be the same.

What do you all think is the liklihood of an NFL team taking a shot on Kmic with a late round pick?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2008, 10:00:15 AM
I don't think there's a chance of him being drafted... though, I've been wrong before.  None of his physical attributes are off the chart , like Garcon's were.  The best thing he has going for him is his vision and will to win. 

He should get a shot as a free agent, like Justin Beaver did this year with the Packers. 

Its speed (MUC) vs. power (UW-WW) this weekend for the fourth straight year.  Whoever wins at the LOS will win this one.  I'd have liked to see Mary Hardin-Baylor in this one... to make it a speed vs. speed. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 15, 2008, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2008, 08:49:48 AM


What do you all think is the liklihood of an NFL team taking a shot on Kmic with a late round pick?



Tend to agree with Kevin's assessment down the line, though unlike Garcon, the attitude issues and physical attributes (speed, etc.) may not play quite the importance as for a wide-out.  There have been quite a few running backs with less than blazing speed and stature who have made a mark in the NFL...

Don Nottingham, Nick Eddy, Dave Preston, Tom Matte, Floyd Little, Jamie and Joe Morris, Bob Ferguson, Jim Kiick, Jim Taylor...  Obviously the game has evolved over the past two decades, but as much as it's changed (West Coast, etc.), some offenses have reverted (Wildcat vs. Single Wing?).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 15, 2008, 07:09:22 PM
he will get a free agent shot but not drafted.  RB are not highly targeted high in the draft which puts a lot of them in late rounds.  there are a lot more RB's than there is a need too.  I also think he would kind of fall in the Product of System category which kills QB's in the draft.  What i mean by product of the system is he has always had the best Oline in front of him, typically a magnitude over the competition with some of the Best QB and WR talent in the country. 

while it takes a special player to do what he did, there are lots of guys that could but up some gawdy numbers in that position (not Kmic numbers but some gawdy ones).  that will work against him...plus he is like 5'10" and 200lbs D3 and caucasian which is not the typical NFL RB stats that GM's wont drop a draft choice on
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
5'10" may be a stretch. The Kid from The Park who went there is only 5'7" or 5'8" and said Kmic is about his height. Just a thought. Garret Wolfe from Northern Illinois a few years back did well against DI competition and didn't get a look. He was 5'7" and rushed for over 170 against Ohio State the year they beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. I figured it would be a long shot but when you rush for that many yards, spend as much time on a team like MUC...I think he would be a great fit for the 2009 Mr. Irrelevant.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 16, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
Ive told you my thoughts on what I expect from FC next year, what about DC and MSJ?  I know DC finished this year extremely strong, do they return a lot? All I know about MSJ is Harbin will be back. Do you think he is a better LB or DE?  I tend to think the latter......
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 16, 2008, 01:52:40 PM
I personally don't think he's that great. In my opinion, he's only an average football player. He has a lot of athleticism and looks the part, but when I watch him play, I don't see anything special. Guys like Pat MacAtee and Matt Lawless were 10x better. I'd even say Eric Schneider was a better DE. I also played with those guys so I'm probably a little biased too.

That may be the O-lineman in me. I've always had a cocky mindset and refused to give any DL I played the time of day. I thought Brandon Tisdale was terrible and he was an All American according to D3football.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizPride on December 16, 2008, 03:32:38 PM
I did think he created more of a problem for us his freshman year, but I would think that is because of how great the rest of the MSJ defense was that year.  Unbelievable that year, great game, MSJ winning 21-14.  I think AH can be great WHEN he wants to be.  But like I said, a much better player with his hand in the ground in my opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Augie6 on December 17, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
5'10" may be a stretch. The Kid from The Park who went there is only 5'7" or 5'8" and said Kmic is about his height. Just a thought. Garret Wolfe from Northern Illinois a few years back did well against DI competition and didn't get a look. He was 5'7" and rushed for over 170 against Ohio State the year they beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. I figured it would be a long shot but when you rush for that many yards, spend as much time on a team like MUC...I think he would be a great fit for the 2009 Mr. Irrelevant.

Garret Wolfe was drafted in the 3rd round by the Bears and is still playing for them.  However, I thought it was a big stretch to choose him in the 3rd round, at the time.  That thought has played out, as he has basically been a special teams player and hasn't had a lot of production as a RB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2008, 01:55:20 PM
From the Cincinnati fishwrap today:

Thomas More will consolidate its institutional aid and boost it to nearly $8 million a year, continuing an existing program to give $10,000 a year to any parochial school graduate who earns admission and adding a new program to give $7,000 a year to any public school graduate.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 18, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2008, 01:55:20 PM
From the Cincinnati fishwrap today:

Thomas More will consolidate its institutional aid and boost it to nearly $8 million a year, continuing an existing program to give $10,000 a year to any parochial school graduate who earns admission and adding a new program to give $7,000 a year to any public school graduate.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS)

dang going fully scholarship huh...doesn't it cost 4 grand and a carton of Marlboro's to go now?


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 18, 2008, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: GrizPride on December 16, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
Ive told you my thoughts on what I expect from FC next year, what about DC and MSJ?  I know DC finished this year extremely strong, do they return a lot? All I know about MSJ is Harbin will be back. Do you think he is a better LB or DE?  I tend to think the latter......
Well it has been a while & things are slowing down (until the baby comes), but I wanted to chime in about expectations for DC next year.  If DC's players work hard in the offseason & come geared up to crack some heads they'll be just fine.  They have a lot of players coming back that contributed last year.  
Starting with offense, their QB was a Freshman who imporved each game last year & their top receiver & tight end were freshman too.  They also have two receivers who will be seniors next coming back as well as freshman RB who saw plenty of action.  Their Oline is losing only one starter & bringing back a mix of guys who have game time experience.
On defense they lose their stud Snyder, but have a group of guys coming back also.  Their strength will probably still be in their defensive backfield, but they do bring back four LB's who played their part last year.  They will have some holes to fill on the dline, but have three coming back who saw plenty of action.
Foos who took care of kicking & punting duties is only a sophmore & Supan & Longsdorf who handled the returns will be back as well for special teams.
My overall opinion is that DC will be in the mix next year for the HCAC crown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 18, 2008, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 18, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2008, 01:55:20 PM
From the Cincinnati fishwrap today:

Thomas More will consolidate its institutional aid and boost it to nearly $8 million a year, continuing an existing program to give $10,000 a year to any parochial school graduate who earns admission and adding a new program to give $7,000 a year to any public school graduate.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS)

dang going fully scholarship huh...doesn't it cost 4 grand and a carton of Marlboro's to go now?




Yep.. I think this should pretty much close off Cincinnati for most of the other D3 teams.  Between MSJ and TMC, you get to pick from pretty good programs (did I just say that).  Look for the new stadium, PAC Title and Playoff Appearance to be the ground level for Thomas More.

Hell, I bet if Psconda was back at DC, he'd find a way out of playing us in 2009!!    ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
dc-alum:
That's funny too!  +K for you as well! :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 20, 2008, 08:41:55 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 18, 2008, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 18, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2008, 01:55:20 PM
From the Cincinnati fishwrap today:

Thomas More will consolidate its institutional aid and boost it to nearly $8 million a year, continuing an existing program to give $10,000 a year to any parochial school graduate who earns admission and adding a new program to give $7,000 a year to any public school graduate.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081217/NEWS0103/312170066/1055/NEWS)

dang going fully scholarship huh...doesn't it cost 4 grand and a carton of Marlboro's to go now?




Yep.. I think this should pretty much close off Cincinnati for most of the other D3 teams.  Between MSJ and TMC, you get to pick from pretty good programs (did I just say that).  Look for the new stadium, PAC Title and Playoff Appearance to be the ground level for Thomas More.

Hell, I bet if Psconda was back at DC, he'd find a way out of playing us in 2009!!    ;D



is the series back on?  i could not find a schedule for 2009 anywhere.  Does TMC and DC play next year when and where
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 21, 2008, 04:02:56 PM
No offense, DC may be on the rise in the HCAC, but TMC does not need to play them. It wouldn't be beneficial to them. At least not right now. If DC can go on the run that MSJ and FC went on...then I'd consider.

Kevin, I hear that though TMC has these new grants, ANYONE can get in. The admission standards are so low, that educated Chimps have a chance (I know I'm being a little funny). I know from a sports standpoint, that's a bonus to colleges and I understand the pluses to giving athletes an exception in most cases, but shouldn't you have some type of academic creditials??? It is still college. Though I believe standards shouldn't be high, because honestly, most non-country club athletes don't score above 23/24 on ACT's (which is what I scored :)  ), you should still have something in place.

Have I been misinformed??? This comes from a somewhat reliable source. I include the somewhat for a reason. This guy has no reason to lie to me. I'm not knocking them by any means...As an athlete, I wish anyone couold play anytime, anywhere regardless of GPA :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 05:12:13 PM
Sayer:
No disrespect, however, I kind of disagree with you re: no need for TMC to play DC.  Unless you are inferring the SOS, in essence this really makes no difference due to the AQ, and besides, a win is a win.  A third factor is the "rivalry" and there is a basis for this.  The only aspect that might support your thesis is TMC playing a tougher non-conf opponent for the experience that would/should help in the playoffs by theory.  However, as we know, that doesn't always hold and also no one can predict the "streaks" in which various schools may be not very good as opposed to returning to a higher tier in winning.  Anyway, I agree with SainsFAN and some of the others that a TMC-DC series (at least for 4 years contract) wouldn't hurt at all.  But then again, what do I know?! ;D  Besides, I'm an "outsider" i.e. non-HCAC guy! ;) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 21, 2008, 05:27:02 PM
70,

They are not on the schedule currently.  I believe Thomas More travels to Cleveland to play John Carroll in week 1 and to Delhi for Mount St Joe in week 10.  The rest are league games.  I think thats a pretty good non conference schedule though.  However, I'd love to see Defiance in 2010. 

adam,

I can't answer that question with any confidence.  I'm not sure.  I will say this, once they get in... no matter what the ACT score.. they have to stay eligible according to the guidelines that NCAA sets.  Its definitely an opportunity for student-athletes across Cincinnat to go to college and play the best D3 team in the greater Cincinnati area!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 05:41:13 PM
Hey SaintsFAN!  My friend, we missed the opportunity again to schedule a Stagg Bowl trip (unless you went).  We really need to try and coordinate this some year you know!  As we discussed in the past, we need to get a group of guys together and have a couple of our groups drive down there either all together (caravan) or meet down there; tailgait, sports restaurant/bar, game, etc.  Anyway, best wishes for the upcoming holidays and be safe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 21, 2008, 08:43:20 PM
It's based on a SOS thing. I don't think playing Defiance would help TMC prepare for the playoffs currently. The PAC is a better conference than the HCAC so TMC doesn't necessarily need the "tough" out of conference games to help solidify a good seed if they win their conference, however, it helps. I realize there was a rivarly 10 years ago, but I'm not sure any of the current DC-TMC kids would see it as such. If Defiance makes a run for the HCAC championship next year, which is a possibility based on this year's outcome, then they would be a valuable opponent. A win vs DC would give TMC an edge in playoff seeding if they make it and vice versa. At that point, it would be attractive for both. I will give defiance this: They have not had a losing record in the HCAC since 2004...at some point they need to rise up correct?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 24, 2008, 12:22:17 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy Weight Gaining to All
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on December 31, 2008, 04:15:24 PM
I haven't been on in quite sometime, but I wanted to wish everyone a Happy and Healthy New Year!  I enjoy the banter we all share very much! 

Jacket18
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2009, 12:54:37 PM
Happy New Year to everyone. Hope 2009 brings successes and accomplishments. I can't believe that next New Yer's Eve, I'll be a married man.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 02, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
Hopefully you will have many more new years eves as a married man. My first was in 1979 and the streak is still currently going on.

In other news I stated a rumor earlier about Franklin having field turf installed next year. Apparently a rumor is all it was. Word has it that the board at the college has rejected to install the field turf. Now this rumor also came from the same source as the previous rumor came from so I do not know what to think. I did learn one thing though, never listen to a 22 year old after he has been tailgating. ;D

Also, Happy New year to everyone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2009, 03:36:25 PM
KYGrizz:

First, Happy New Year to you and yours.  I hope your holidays were enjoyable and not too hectic.  I trust you watched at least a few of the bowl games on TV.  I thought some were pretty good games this year - not all blow-outs and this reflects some of the parity in college football now at the DI level.  In addition, it looked like there was pretty good attendance at all the bowl games - quite surprising.

Secondly, I hope that the Franklin rumor you mention about them deciding not too install the new style turf is just that - a rumor.  I can't imagine why the board of trustees would make a decision like that, other than for current financial reasons.  Yet even if the latter is the issue, the college could certainly do a fundraising program to raise the $.  Other schools smaller than Franklin have done it that way and IMO, if they can do it, certainly Franklin can.  In one sense, I can see where some people might use that old saying relating that any DIII school should not decide to obtain the new turf just because many others do i.e. the old cliche about "keeping up with the Jones'".  On the other hand, for all the reasons that many people have discussed/posted on these boards in past years regarding the new turf (i.e. decreased cost in maintainance, multi-purpose use for a variety of events, some safety reasons inclement weather inclusive, etc., etc.), IMO, there is no reason for small schools not to do this (again, unless the financial aspect is just not possible, but again, I can't believe that even the smallest school couldn't do it).  It is the state of the art and advantages pretty much proven.

Nonetheless, perhaps there are a few schools who would say they want to "remain old-school traditionalists" for history/posterity's sake or whatever ;D ::) ??? and stick with the natural turf.  Anyway, hopefully the Franklin board will change their minds.  What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 02, 2009, 09:10:05 PM
formerd3rb,

If it is true that the board of trustees has decided against the field turf I wish they would change their minds. It would not only benefit the football program, but i believe the soccer teams would benefit from it too. Even the baseball and softball teams could use the turf for some practice in February when their fields are not in good conditions.

Yes I have watched plenty of bowl games, as a matter fact I just watched my Kentucky Wildcats pull off a nice upset win. It will be a great weekend if they beat the U of L Cards in roundball Sunday.

Looks like it has been tough on the Big Ten this bowl season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2009, 12:54:37 PM
Happy New Year to everyone. Hope 2009 brings successes and accomplishments. I can't believe that next New Year's Eve, I'll be a married man.

How long does the bride-to-be have to regain her sanity? ;D

Did I really type that?! :o :-[ :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on January 02, 2009, 09:10:05 PM
formerd3rb,

If it is true that the board of trustees has decided against the field turf I wish they would change their minds. It would not only benefit the football program, but i believe the soccer teams would benefit from it too. Even the baseball and softball teams could use the turf for some practice in February when their fields are not in good conditions.

Yes I have watched plenty of bowl games, as a matter fact I just watched my Kentucky Wildcats pull off a nice upset win. It will be a great weekend if they beat the U of L Cards in roundball Sunday.

Looks like it has been tough on the Big Ten this bowl season.

KYGrizz:

I agree with you - hopefully those Franklin people "in charge" will come to their senses.  Keep us posted. 

Also, congrats on your KY Wildcats win.  Although they ended up only 7-6 for the season, winning a record 3rd bowl game in a row is a good sign.  Not all, or for that matter not many, college teams can say that.  Besides, it was a good game and I guess that is a plus considering many people have an opinion that there are too many bowl games thus allowing 6-6 teams in.  Yet, as mentioned, the KY-ECU bowl game was not a sleeper.

BTW, concerning the bowl games, as I mentioned on another post, it is great to see that attendance is up at all these bowl games.  The Liberty Bowl had 56,135; the Orange Bowl had 73,602; and the recent "hard-hit times" Cotton Bowl had a whopping 88,175!  Even the Independence Bowl had a great crowd and the Motor City Bowl here had +46,000 and that is good. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 03, 2009, 02:19:55 PM
Personally, unless there is some turf maintenance nightmare that isn't playable to homefield advantage or a pressing need for use by more than one sport during concurrent seasons, prefer natural to synthetic surfaces.

Old school turf played like a trampoline and believe a team would tailor their strengths to this.  The new stuff, Nexturf, Sprintturf, Fieldturf what have you play eerily similar to regular turf in optimal conditions regardless cold or heat.  In the rain however, don't wear molds unless auditioning for the icecapades.

On the other hand, would have gone to see Franklin take on Wheaton had they played at the college.  The campus is picturesque and the stadium is a great venue.  Unless deemed unsafe by the NCAA, the game should have been played at THE FAUGHTtm

Bad field conditions can surely work against a team's strengths and to its weaknesses as much as a team can be tailored for certain.   It has been said the NFC Norris has been a run first conference for the very reason of a cold and mucking field, but felt and still feel Franklin would have been better served playing at home.  And while it was unknown Gingg's status, the unsure footing held by Rupp and company should have been the same for Ittersagen and his men.

Guess if field turf came with underground heaters to keep the surface clean of actual precipitation would vote fyr it instead of gint it, but isn't this novelty just as applicable to natural surfaces?

signed,
Spackler the Swede
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 04:26:41 PM
MacLeod:
You make some very valid points.  Many posters on these boards have discussed the advantages and disadvantages of the new style turf at length in the past so I will try not to "overdeluge" in detail here.  Allow me to provide this example, however.  For many small schools, indeed, the maintenance factor is a nightmare.  They do not have the staff to keep natural turf field up to the high and safe standards those fields should be.  In addition, events have been cancelled - or in the Frankline example relocated - due to the extremely poor and unsafe conditions of a natural field whereas had a new style turf been available, the contest could have been held in the originally scheduled location.  Examples of this are probably more in college lacrosse than football, but it does occur in both.  Also, more teams can utilize the new style ture as KYGrizz pointed out - soccer, football, lacrosse, etc., etc.  So there are advantages for it.  Assuming a college doesn't have to renovate their entire stadium complex, for those who don't have to, the cost is well worth it for the new style turf - it is 1/3 less than the old style and for sure much safer than that "old stuff".  I have seen some nasty injuries as a direct result of natural turf in poor weather conditions and while that is not to say severe injuries can occur on the new style, they are not anywhere near the former.

Overall, I would agree with you (as I think you are alluding to? ;D) that it comes down to a player's personal preference as to which surface they like the best.  Yet as we know, that doesn't really count because any player regardless of being in high school or college doesn't have that choice - he or she plays on the surface they get via their school ;D  Thanks for your opinion/comments, always insightful and appreciated.

Signed,
Louis "Flying" Japinga
 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 05, 2009, 07:59:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2009, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2009, 12:54:37 PM
Happy New Year to everyone. Hope 2009 brings successes and accomplishments. I can't believe that next New Year's Eve, I'll be a married man.

How long does the bride-to-be have to regain her sanity? ;D

Did I really type that?! :o :-[ :P

Lindsay has had about the last 3 years to "get kicked by a mule or fall into a well". 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 05, 2009, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:41:53 PM

BTW, concerning the bowl games, as I mentioned on another post, it is great to see that attendance is up at all these bowl games.  The Liberty Bowl had 56,135; the Orange Bowl had 73,602; and the recent "hard-hit times" Cotton Bowl had a whopping 88,175!  Even the Independence Bowl had a great crowd and the Motor City Bowl here had +46,000 and that is good. 

no way there were 73k at the orange bowl.  in the upper deck one end was competly bare they tried to keep it off TV.  the club seating was about half full the only thin that was juiced was the lower bowl.  they may have distributed 73k in tickets but of there was 50k there i would be shocked.  it got real bad at the end with 5 minutes left after they stuffed UC on the goalline and the game was over there were only about 15 people left in the stands to see the final few minutes.  it looked like the Bengals Borwns game from a couple weeks ago at the end :)

bowls are a joke typically one of the teams have a "home game" and they are played in front of half full stadiums for most games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 05, 2009, 09:20:22 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2009, 12:54:37 PM
Happy New Year to everyone. Hope 2009 brings successes and accomplishments. I can't believe that next New Yer's Eve, I'll be a married man.

She's got a mortgage on my body, now, and a lien on my soul..."  ;D
                                             - Robert Johnson   from Travelin' Riverside Blues
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on January 05, 2009, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:41:53 PM

BTW, concerning the bowl games, as I mentioned on another post, it is great to see that attendance is up at all these bowl games.  The Liberty Bowl had 56,135; the Orange Bowl had 73,602; and the recent "hard-hit times" Cotton Bowl had a whopping 88,175!  Even the Independence Bowl had a great crowd and the Motor City Bowl here had +46,000 and that is good. 

no way there were 73k at the orange bowl.  in the upper deck one end was competly bare they tried to keep it off TV.  the club seating was about half full the only thin that was juiced was the lower bowl.  they may have distributed 73k in tickets but of there was 50k there i would be shocked.  it got real bad at the end with 5 minutes left after they stuffed UC on the goalline and the game was over there were only about 15 people left in the stands to see the final few minutes.  it looked like the Bengals Borwns game from a couple weeks ago at the end :)

bowls are a joke typically one of the teams have a "home game" and they are played in front of half full stadiums for most games.


70_dc_alum:

I hear you and, admittedly, I did not see the end of the Orange Bowl with fans leaving as you relate what was seen happening on the TV.  Another one of our colleagues posted some good comments on one of the other boards regarding how bowl administrators count "paid attendance" vs actual attendance.  I was just commenting that, at least from what I saw among the bowls, while there were many empty seats, it did appear that there were more spectators in attendance as compared to other years.  Also, I was just listing was the media/newspapers listed as the attendance at these games in the box scores. ;D  BTW, in today's paper, the International Bowl in Toronto, listed the attendance at +40,000; just for the record, of course! ;) ;D ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 07, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
I think I heard the Orange Bowl set a BCS Bowl record for the smallest crowd this year. I could be wrong.

The Big 10 did take it on the chin, but I'm happy Ohio State showed up and played like they were capable. It would have been nice to see Beanie stay healthy and play the whole game. Had he, I think there is no doubt he would have rushed for 200 and Ohio State would have won. Texas's defense had no clue how to stop the power run game. IF Terelle Pryor ever learns to be an accurate passer...or even Todd Boeckmann accurate, he will be scary.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 07, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 07, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
IF Terelle Pryor ever learns to be an accurate passer...or even Todd Boeckmann accurate, he will be scary.

Impossible... for Tressel to ask him to do this is damn near impossible.  Besides, he'd have to remove Pryor's 3rd leg from his mouth so he could say the words "We need to work on your mechanics"

Trust me, I've heard women talk this way... mechanics will sound like academics or something...open to interpretation. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2009, 09:44:16 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 07, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
I think I heard the Orange Bowl set a BCS Bowl record for the smallest crowd this year. I could be wrong.


I saw an open seat last night during the game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2009, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2009, 09:44:16 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 07, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
I think I heard the Orange Bowl set a BCS Bowl record for the smallest crowd this year. I could be wrong.


I saw an open seat last night during the game. 

B-Double E-Double R-U-N...Beer Run!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 06:18:20 PM
Alright you fools, uhh...(just kidding)...I mean fellas and friends! ;D :D :o  You guys have been awful quiet on here as of late.  I assume you all have been working very hard once "getting back to the grind" following the holiday lay-off, vacations, etc., etc.! ;D  What are your thoughts...on anything?!!! ::) :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 06:19:52 PM
Clarification:  I meant to say..."thoughts on anything related to football, that is - not just 'anything'"!!! ;D  Remember, you/we have to keep it clean and of the upmost integrity here. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 12, 2009, 06:45:06 PM
Clean is very difficult, integrity impossible.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 07:25:46 PM
Quote from: frank uible on January 12, 2009, 06:45:06 PM
Clean is very difficult, integrity impossible.

Hilarious Frank, but very true! :D  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 12, 2009, 11:54:38 PM
Thank you - doing well for an 108 year old.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 13, 2009, 10:30:02 AM
CLEAN... aint gonna happen. 

How is the offseason going for everyone? 

Thomas More's recruiting, is up.  I think Hilvert is up to something in Crestview Hills.  Lots of competition at each position this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2009, 10:38:34 AM
Since Tim Tebow has decided to come back, what's the likelihood of him winning a 2nd Heisman and a 3rd Nat'l Championship. ESPN has been debating back and forth where he ranks on the All-Time player list in college. Some say Top 5, some say Top 10?  Does Tebow rank with Red Grange, Otto Graham, Archie Griffin, Jim Thorpe, Barry Sanders, among others.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 13, 2009, 10:52:39 AM
I think the chances of a repeat for Florida are good, especially if Percy Harvin comes back. 

Regardless, I think the leadership skills of Tebow are unmatched, possibly ever at the collegiate level.  Whatever it is... he's got it.  I am not necessarily a Tebow fan, but you have to respect what he brings to the table... his actions galvanized the Gators after the early loss.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 13, 2009, 12:44:53 PM
Heisman will be a lot tougher than his 3rd National Championship.  everyone returns on defense and almost everyone returns on the offense.  as sick as it makes me to say...they are stacked
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 13, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
What's happening everyone & happy new year! 
I wanted to jump in on the Tebow discussion.  He is an awesome athlete who has great instincts when it comes to football.  I wasn't a big John 3:16 eye black fan, but he showed he's a great leader. 
I'm also happy he's staying for his senior year so the Lions didn't draft him & try to make him be the answer in Detroit.  I still have my fingers crossed that Detroit trades that first pick.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 14, 2009, 10:15:11 AM
I entered a contest at the local Mall during the holidays to win a $75,000 Mercedes or $50,000 cash. The Ol Lady calls me yesterday to tell me that we won an all-inclusive, 4 day/3 night cruise to the Bahamas with airfare included from the contest. The only thing we have to pay for is tax, which comes out to $400 - $450 or so....not bad considering our initial Honeymoon was going to be spent in Northern Kentucky.

It's funny because we got the call about a week after I passed some stupid chain email stating Bill Gates was going to mail me some cash...I guess it worked for something :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 14, 2009, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2009, 10:38:34 AM
Since Tim Tebow has decided to come back, what's the likelihood of him winning a 2nd Heisman and a 3rd Nat'l Championship. ESPN has been debating back and forth where he ranks on the All-Time player list in college. Some say Top 5, some say Top 10?  Does Tebow rank with Red Grange, Otto Graham, Archie Griffin, Jim Thorpe, Barry Sanders, among others.

Florida's fortunes rest in the hands of Pete Carroll and USC, Florida can win only if Pete screws it up.........again.

As stacked as Florida was/is/will be....they still lost to OleMiss

Florida's schedule next year has one maybe two road blocks..........at LSU and Georgia, but I don't expect Georgia to be as good.  Otherwise its as weak as you'll see an SEC schedule that includs Florida State  http://www.gatorzone.com/sched.php?sport=footb
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 14, 2009, 07:36:18 PM
How about Bradford coming back too for another year plus a few other key people to OU skipping the draft. 
With USC, it may hurt that Sanchez is probably going to skip his senior year.  At least I hope it hurts them b/c I can't stand USC just like I despise OSU & Notre Dame!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 14, 2009, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 13, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
  I still have my fingers crossed that Detroit trades that first pick.

unfortunately, there won't be much of a market for the 1st pick by trade unless a franchise QB is found in Siberia.  Actually check that, the Alabama OT could be him.   If you look at history with the first pick its either a franchise DT, OT or QB at the top of the draft who causes a market for the first pick. 

Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 14, 2009, 10:15:11 AM
It's funny because we got the call about a week after I passed some stupid chain email stating Bill Gates was going to mail me some cash...I guess it worked for something :)

This is the part of the post where I congratulate Sayer and remind him that if he sends me one of those chain emails, that I'll hire a hitman and Lindsay will be a young widow.  But seriously, if you decide you don't want to take her because you want to turn it into a "last hurrah" bachelor's weekend, I'm in.   As you can imagine, there is ALOT you can do in the Bahamas, with the Bahama Mamas.

Quote from: dc_has_been on January 14, 2009, 07:36:18 PM
With USC, it may hurt that Sanchez is probably going to skip his senior year.  At least I hope it hurts them b/c I can't stand USC just like I despise OSU & Notre Dame!

You're 2/3rds correct.  You can hate USC and Ohio State all you want.  Notre Dame is actually the only one of the three that is on the same sucky level as Michigan is.  I believe Rich Rodriguez has alot of parallels with Charlie "The Blueberry" Weis.  The only difference is Charlie Weis can recruit.  BOTH need to polish up their resumes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2009, 01:43:25 PM
RichRod can recruit too. Here are some big-namers that you have heard of...Chris Henry and Adam Jones (sorry, I meant Pacman Jones). 

Back when RichRod got the job, I posted something about how long he will get and I suggested it wouldn't be long. Michigan is very, very bad and next year, though better, will not be much better. How are the Michigan faithful going to feel when their Maize and Blue are 6-6, or worse, 5-7 and missing out on another Bowl Season...bet he won't get year #3. Thus far, he's only the 2nd UM coach to lose to OSU in year 1 and next year he will become the only UM coach to start 0-2 against OSU.

I'm betting the patience in Ann Arbor is less than South Bend. Notre Dame hasn't been good for a long time...maybe not necessarily this bad, but they haven't been top notch for years (and some idiot decided to give Charlie a 10-year deal). Two years ago, Michigan was 3 points from playing in the Nat'l Championship game and last year beat Florida in their Bowl Game...If RichRod doesn't come up with something big next year...he might be gone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 15, 2009, 04:40:36 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2009, 01:43:25 PM
RichRod can recruit too. Here are some big-namers that you have heard of...Chris Henry and Adam Jones (sorry, I meant Pacman Jones). 

Back when RichRod got the job, I posted something about how long he will get and I suggested it wouldn't be long. Michigan is very, very bad and next year, though better, will not be much better. How are the Michigan faithful going to feel when their Maize and Blue are 6-6, or worse, 5-7 and missing out on another Bowl Season...bet he won't get year #3. Thus far, he's only the 2nd UM coach to lose to OSU in year 1 and next year he will become the only UM coach to start 0-2 against OSU.

I'm betting the patience in Ann Arbor is less than South Bend. Notre Dame hasn't been good for a long time...maybe not necessarily this bad, but they haven't been top notch for years (and some idiot decided to give Charlie a 10-year deal). Two years ago, Michigan was 3 points from playing in the Nat'l Championship game and last year beat Florida in their Bowl Game...If RichRod doesn't come up with something big next year...he might be gone.
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 14, 2009, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 13, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
 



Quote from: dc_has_been on January 14, 2009, 07:36:18 PM

You're 2/3rds correct.  You can hate USC and Ohio State all you want.  Notre Dame is actually the only one of the three that is on the same sucky level as Michigan is.  I believe Rich Rodriguez has alot of parallels with Charlie "The Blueberry" Weis.  The only difference is Charlie Weis can recruit.  BOTH need to polish up their resumes.

You guys, being a Michigan fan although not a Notre Dame fan, I will not mind at all if both Weis and Rodriguez "et the ax" from their current jobs; they are not on my list of favorite or respected coaches.  Frankly, as you suggested, I am surprised that Weis hasn't been gone already.  You are right re: the idiot who gave him the 10 year contract.  It never ceases to amaze me how these fools give contract extensions on an already multi-year contract after one or two good years.  Let it play out and see how the coach does for the original contract, or at least until the last year of the same.  Just MO. ;)   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 16, 2009, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2009, 01:43:25 PM

I'm betting the patience in Ann Arbor is less than South Bend. Notre Dame hasn't been good for a long time...maybe not necessarily this bad, but they haven't been top notch for years (and some idiot decided to give Charlie a 10-year deal).


The idiot that signed Weis to that deal in 2005 (for playing USC close in South Bend) is no longer the AD.  Weis is literally on his last leg.  Well, hopefully.  Most times, coaches are gone before the AD but that 10 year added some security to his job.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 16, 2009, 11:22:42 AM
If Michigan does not make a bowl next year then RichRod is gone unless he beats OSU.  Maybe they could hire Marinelli next year? ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 16, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 16, 2009, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2009, 01:43:25 PM

I'm betting the patience in Ann Arbor is less than South Bend. Notre Dame hasn't been good for a long time...maybe not necessarily this bad, but they haven't been top notch for years (and some idiot decided to give Charlie a 10-year deal).


The idiot that signed Weis to that deal in 2005 (for playing USC close in South Bend) is no longer the AD.  Weis is literally on his last leg.  Well, hopefully.  Most times, coaches are gone before the AD but that 10 year added some security to his job.

The cynic in me also wonders if "image of Notre Dame" doesn't play a part?  There was some racial insinuation resultant of Willingham's termination on several fronts.  Now you've a coach, savvy in the art of lawsuits and litigation, who is also the "weight" behind the Hannah and Friends autism foundation.  Potential publicity nightmares on the national stage because IT IS - Notre Dame.  ;) should Charlie depart under less than congenial circumstances?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 19, 2009, 10:08:31 PM
I know by now you have probably already seen the updates on the attached across the Sportcenter ticker on ESPN (s) today.  BUT just in case you did not knwo and was wondering why it is relevant here is Martindale is a DC grad played/coached in the 80's.  was also my D-coordinator in High School which is how me and my brother found DC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3842703

I heard he was going to come back to his alma matter to look for a QB :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 21, 2009, 03:26:50 PM
Why DC70, you weren't enticed "on Top of the Hill" as a wee lad by the exploits of Northmont/DC running back Tommy Shaffner or my favorite Claytonite, Lynn Viets?  ;D  How soon the past is forgotten!  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 25, 2009, 09:09:48 AM
dont forget Von Cummings late 80s early 90s...probably the best RB to graduate from DC and another Northmont guy.  last i heard he is in Prison for scamming money.  they were going to put him in the Northmont HOF until they found his new "mailing address"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 27, 2009, 08:57:18 AM
what is up in here? 

Sayer, I know you've got a snow day today... I've got one too since my sled is terrible in the white stuff.  I'm watching the news on TV and there is life proof of how bad the Cincinnati drivers are.  They have webcams everywhere and there are cars off to the side of the road, SUVs traveling too fast and police lights. 

Its amazing how scared Cincinnatians get of this "white death", and then drive like idiots to top it off..  hello, jergoff..  just because you have an SUV, doesn't mean you can't fly off the road.

One a good note:  a lady friend wants me to go sledding with her tonight... that sounds like it should be great fun.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2009, 09:01:38 AM
For any Franklin fans out there...who will be the signal caller for the Grizzlies next season with Chad Rupp moving on? Any youngsters in the mix?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 27, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
Thought I would post the link to where a high school football coach here in Louisville has been arraigned for the death of a player last summer.

Waiting to see how the outcome of this case changes high school football and coaching.


//http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090127/NEWS01/901270403/1008
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2009, 05:08:13 PM
QuoteThought I would post the link to where a high school football coach here in Louisville has been arraigned for the death of a player last summer.

Waiting to see how the outcome of this case changes high school football and coaching.


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090127/NEWS01/901270403/1008

It's getting a tremendous amout of national attention....outome of the trial could obviously have enormous ramifications...what's the feeling about this coach? Good guy? The national media will sensationalize this so I don't put much stock in their reporting...no matter, very sad story indeed...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 28, 2009, 09:49:11 AM
D3_DPUFan,

Since he has been coaching around this area in high school I have only heard good things about him. When this story first came out the father had nothing negative to say about the coach.

In response to your question as the QB situation at Franklin next year I have not heard anything. I still have four years of elgibilty left, you think they would be interested in a 52 year old who can't run or throw. But I do like to tailgate.;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2009, 07:10:35 PM
This was reported in Cincy a few days ago and the radio said the parents wern't filing the charges. The problem isn't the weather or the coaching styles...it's the kids who sit in their living rooms all summer in the Air Conditioning playing video games. They get out in August and try to play, and their bodies arn't used to the heat. If this was something the coach did, there would be more than 1 kid getting sick or overheating. This coach did nothing wrong. The most ubsetting thing is the charge is reckless homocide...as if the coach had intended this to happen. I heard no one ever did an autopsy. What's up with that? Maybe this kid had a health condition. There is no way in hell this guy can get in any trouble. If he does, then its a sad day for all coaches.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 28, 2009, 07:56:02 PM
QuoteD3_DPUFan,

Since he has been coaching around this area in high school I have only heard good things about him. When this story first came out the father had nothing negative to say about the coach.

In response to your question as the QB situation at Franklin next year I have not heard anything. I still have four years of elgibilty left, you think they would be interested in a 52 year old who can't run or throw. But I do like to tailgate.

Thanks for the info...hope the situation in Louisvile works out for everyone involved...tough story..

On the Franklin QB situation, I'm sure Coach Leonard has someone lined up who will throw for a million yards...in the Red Faught tradition..

I'm with you on the 4 years of eligibility...but I think I'm too valuable int he parking lot...grilling and drinking... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 29, 2009, 08:27:10 AM
Adam,

I agree with you I from all the reports I hear that he has not done anything wrong. There was a similar football players death four years ago at another high school here in Louisville where their was no action taken. In this case the Grand Jury recommended a trial.

Word is that there is going to be a civil suit brought against the coach, so that has to be a family member filing that suit I would think.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 29, 2009, 09:56:14 AM
Adam,

Sorry... but I have to do this..  I got your piece of mail the other day and as soon as I can... I'm scanning it into my computer... I've been needing a new picture on here.  Call it being a proud older brother, if it makes you feel better!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zak66 on January 29, 2009, 10:31:17 AM
adam,

   a kid passed out 15 minutes before the one who died. the kid who died was takeing a certain medication that can dehydrate you.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 30, 2009, 04:16:22 PM
I stand corrected. If a problem did occur prior to the kid dying, then the coach needs to have some sense. Not necessarily stopping practice, but giving an extended water break or extra breaks, or giving the kids a break to change into shoulder pads and helmets instead of full gear. Still, a 94 degree heat index is hot, but it's not a situation that extra water and/or light equipment can't fix.

Even still, if the child was taking medication that causes dehydration, he needed to address the situation on his own. At some point, kids need to held accountable. You can't expect a coach to keep track of every child's personal need. If the child has asthma, the child needs to know to have an inhaler nearby, if a child needs extra water, he should have a water bottle nearby, etc. If he had requested this, and was denied, then I see the coach at fault.

It's sad, but coaches have been doing the same thing for 50+ years in August. The only thing that has changed is the physical conditioning of America's youth.

What may I ask was the medication for?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 02, 2009, 08:31:08 AM
Call it The Great Weekend...

I had a nice weekend monetarily.  I hit on a couple races at Turfway on Friday night.  Saturday night, I took GSP--which was pretty easy.  I've never seen BJ Penn take a beating like that.  And then the Super Bowl I had the Cards +7. 

Watching the SB last night at Willies with the lady... I couldn't help but notice how many idiots are out there.  One typical exchange with the commonfolk:

blonde barbie doll:  hey, how are you two doing?
me:  We're good.  Great game..
bbd:  so who are you rooting for?  You aren't wearing either of the teams colors.
me:  well, I'm not rooting for Arizona to win or to lose by less than 6 points.
bbd:  (in the fourth quarter after Fitzgerald scored)  So, like you're pretty much screwed.  Pittsburgh's got this
me:  Am I missing something?  Zona is up 3 points and I'm getting 7.  There's 2 minutes left in the game.... what is 3+7? 
bbd:  its 10... but I think you know you aren't going to win.  Pittsburgh has this
me:  <looking at girlfriend> am i missing something here?  Or is this amature hour? 
<girlfriend laughs and I look back at bbd>  look, I don't think I can put this into terms you can understand tonight.  I don't know if its the alcohol or if are truly an idiot.  But I've explained this three different times to you...

...bbd walks away

I'm sure she saw me "celebrating" later when Pittsburgh won and was VERY confused.   

**I spelled Amateur wrong on purpose for effect (Defiance guys... I pointed this out so you know when the word is spelled wrong)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 02, 2009, 01:12:16 PM
I wonder if this is the same blonde that you were talking with.

//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3UGhRjPry4
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 02, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
wow.... THAT is great.  She could've been that same person... but bbd was also drunk... as it was getting to be the end of the night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2009, 09:52:53 PM
Snow isn't very fun after you have graduated college :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 05, 2009, 10:22:02 AM
ok, so Signing Day has come and gone .... now for the other schools to start annoucing commitments. 

I'm really glad none of the area D3 schools were in the Cincinnati Enquirer touting a class that had "signed" yesterday.  As a reminder... its just not possible.  You can't consider a kid is coming to school at the Division III level until they make a deposit, holding their spot in school. 

For sure we'll know more about classes when the financial aid situation is worked out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 05, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
Mount Saint Joe had 2 kids listed on the football recruits. I didn't see any TMC football players, but TMC did have some soccer people on the list.

If I had plans to attend a D3 school, I wouldn't make a decision until May. Chances are you're not going to be an immediate starter anyway, no matter where you go, so schools don't need to plan for you. As someone once said...the best part about a freshman is they will be a sophomore the next year. You should take the time to make an informed decision based on your needs. Start transferring and college gets to be a long, tedious process

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
there was a Bluffton College signee listed in the Dayton Daily News

Christman, Zach: Anna, OL, Bluffton (D-III)

listed there with the guys like CJ Barnett and Adam Homan going to tOSU. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 06, 2009, 09:41:08 AM
In response to Andy Kennedy's pleas, an officer said: "You think we've never arrested somebody that's made national media? ... We deal with the Bengals all the time."

That's great!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 06, 2009, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
there was a Bluffton College signee listed in the Dayton Daily News

Christman, Zach: Anna, OL, Bluffton (D-III)

listed there with the guys like CJ Barnett and Adam Homan going to tOSU. 



Thats awesome, 70.  About the only thing Bluffton shares with Ohio State is the fight song. 


Sayer... I saw that... that officer must be a comedian. 

Tip your bartenders this weekend, fellas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 17, 2009, 01:51:04 PM
I hate this time of year! >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 17, 2009, 02:49:42 PM
nice to see you, has_been.  I hate it too...

I thought of you recently when I saw an article on a Los Angeles-area teacher accused of becoming a little too close to one of his students.

Hope things are well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 17, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 17, 2009, 01:51:04 PM
I hate this time of year! >:(

Lack of sleep or excessive "honey-do" list, Has_Been?

Congratulations on your recent addition!  The bookstore had some cute, infant rompers when I was up there last week... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 18, 2009, 02:38:53 PM
Kev- thanks for thinking of me you a*@ ;). 
Bob- thanks for the congrats.  The daughter (Lily) has been doing a great job keeping me & my wife busy.  She's already three weeks old & has mangaged to grow out of several of her newborn items, so I'll have to get a few sizes of DC gear.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 19, 2009, 08:19:16 AM
dc_has_been,

Cograts on the birth of your daughter. If you think she is keeping you busy now, just wait till she becomes a teenager. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 19, 2009, 11:06:27 AM
Congrats on the newborn, has_been.  I'm a "honorary Uncle" for my buddy's two little girls... meaning I will be one of the guys on the porch holding a shotgun when their dating years commence.. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 19, 2009, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on February 17, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Congratulations on your recent addition!  The bookstore had some cute, infant rompers when I was up there last week... ;D

Shouldn't Defiance call their apparel store by another name?  Seems like false advertising for them to call it a Book Store.... I didn't think they had any books within a couple miles of campus.. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 19, 2009, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 19, 2009, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on February 17, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Congratulations on your recent addition!  The bookstore had some cute, infant rompers when I was up there last week... ;D

Shouldn't Defiance call their apparel store by another name?  Seems like false advertising for them to call it a Book Store.... I didn't think they had any books within a couple miles of campus.. ;D

No disagreement, Kevin.  Unless pop psych or social work, serious texts were visibly in short supply.  OTOH, there was quite the selection of Underarmor, Champion, and Russell - except in sizes designed by Omar the Tentmaker (2X+)
;D

On the positive side, Doc Mikula provided an entertaining, four hour visit and the brain sandwich and a side of Ballreich's chips at Kissner's was still good!  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 19, 2009, 02:16:01 PM
Thanks for the congrats & KYGrizzly, why? :D

Kev- there's books in the library too.  I didn't go there much, but I'm pretty sure there were at least some books with pictures in them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 21, 2009, 10:19:12 PM
I went to the Library plenty because I scammed MSJ and got textbooks off Ohio Link and kept them all semester for a $15 fine. $15 for $100 book...so what if I had $125 of library fees. I got my books.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 23, 2009, 12:43:11 PM
that is hilarious and rather genuis.  that is until they catch on.  i typically just figured which prof's typically tested from notes vs. books and borrowed a book from someone in a pinch.  my Junior year i did with no text books.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 23, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
70_dc_alum:

I think we all did that to some degree! ;D  However, you did take a chance doing that in your junior year, IMO.  For me, I used all resources i.e. notes, the textbook and "WOM" i.e. word of mouth from other students who had taken the class before with the same prof ;).  Then again, I've been accused of being "OC" to the "A_ _ _ degree" ;D :o ::) :P  Anyway, I guess the bottom line is "who cares" as long as we passed the classes and didn't cheat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 23, 2009, 02:33:27 PM
I was a big fan of WOM, b/c half the time the Prof. wouldn't even use the textbook.  I also liked having a friend who worked in the bookstore so they could set aside the used books & I wouldn't have to pay for the brand new ones that were triple in price. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 23, 2009, 03:45:20 PM
at one time during my freshman year in college.... the bookstore lady was one of the hotter females on campus.  A milf before they were named, so to speak.  She made you feel good about blowing all those duckets on some book you were never going to read.

also it was really cool at the end of the semester when you got to sell them back, and you had free money (who cares how much your parents paid for them to begin with)..  standard answer when mom/dad asked how much money i got back in book money "Damn, I keep getting these classes where they aren't using the books again next semester."

that "free money" usually wouldn't make it past Applebees across the street... but we did it up big for Kentuckians..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 24, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
Guess I'm a statistical outlier on this topic - still have some of the "classic" texts (incl. Morrison and Boyd's 3rd edition - just for you, former3db  :D) on my library shelves as reference points.  The Post and Pickett slide rules continue to be a source of amusement for the neighborhood's "high school Harrys'" who don't believe one can negotiate, much less survive physics and chemistry courses without calculators and computers.  ;D  Subbing for the archdiocese high schools has proven quite entertaining.  ;) 

Alas, the DC Bookstore (back when they stocked books) was run by a classmate's mother - a nice enough Deutsch war bride, personally, but she didn't prompt any rhynie oogling. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 24, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
cave2bens:

Glad you kept that Boyd's! ;D  Hey, I'll let you know if we are coming down your way soon - a possibility but not sure yet.  Hope all is well.  I think I need some of that nice weather you guys have (at least my daughter and SIL said it has been good down there).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 03, 2009, 12:51:34 PM
Looking forward to Columbus this weekend. We got 2 State Qualifiers and an alternate. The alternate is a Thomas More recruit.

One of the qualifiers is only a 2nd year wrestler and is special needs. He wrestles 112 and is strong as an Ox  and quick as a Cat. He only knows how to shoot a double leg, but once he gets it in his hand...your done. He beat the returning district Champ...easily. If only he actually had a mind to understand and remember things.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 03, 2009, 09:23:33 PM
Sayer,

Went to the Indiana High School Wrestling individual finals two weeks ago.

Couple upsets and per usual great wrestling in the middle weights.

On a football note, usually the 160 pound class and greater, saw a couple nice ones:

The realtively new 215 pound class champion is headed to the Marian College gridiron, but also took note of the young man he squeaked by on qualifier Sweet 16 Friday night.  Close match with great discipline on both accounts.

Heavyweight, where the 215's would've been grouped in my era, showed two interesting grapplers in the finals.  The runner up from Mount Vernon (Posey) looks to be a great collegiate grappling prospect.  Didn't appear to have a great deal of weightroom but uncanny balance, also one of those types should expect to develop grappling strength with maturity.  The champion from Winchester looked to be the real deal as a collegiate football prospect.  Lotsa weightroom and rumored varsity competitor in the 100 meters at 265 pounds.  :o  Par for the course, the big men could stand to learn to change levels.

Utmost competence at the lower weight classes, but did notice in the upper lightweights and lower middleweights several missed spladles.  Did see a pin using head fours, and our all time pins record was threatened by a kid that needed to pin his way to the finals or pick up an extra in consolation.  That pin record is held by a master spladler and fellow alumnus of the Carthage OC's high school.   ;) Sayer's favorite!!!

The 152 champ looked like he could squat a ton.  Young Man from South Bend Riley at 160 looked like he would probably ball out.


signed,
Greg "the Hammer" Valentine and the Hart Foundation
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 04, 2009, 11:02:15 PM
I'm a huge fan of the Spladle. Put a HWT in a spladle is like putting a hyped up 10 year old on a sugar rush in a small contained space...they freak out.

Indiana is tough. They don't break schools up into divisions. The 160 pound state champ is THE state champ. Ohio has more schools who offer wrestling, but they are split into 3 divisions. This may be different now, but that was the case a few years back I believe. We competed against Mater Dei in a tournament this year. Their singlets and warm ups looked like they were fresh out of a 1980's wrestling movie.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 04, 2009, 11:19:29 PM
I'm dropping down, I'm gonna wrestle the Shoot.

Mater Dei, like the hometown, is in a current state qualifier drought.  Unheard of!!! 

signed,
Carlton Haselrig
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2009, 07:14:10 AM
Our 112 placed 8th and gave the eventual state champ his closest match in 3 weeks losing in double OT. Again...not bad for a 2nd year, special needs wrestler. Just think if he knew more than a double leg, stand up, and half.

Our 103 was a little timmid and didn't wrestle like he was capable. I think being in the arena was a bit overwhelming for him. Hopefully, it will not be a big deal next year now that he's been there before.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 09, 2009, 04:51:28 PM
The third round has four matches from each weight class going consecutively in Indiana.  Wrestlebacks so to speak on the outter mats and semis in the middle two.

Have to retract, Mater Dei qualified a kid at 145.  145 is by far the toughest weight in wrestling, high school or otherwise.  Mater Dei like the hometown usually sends at least six kids to qualifier night and more often than not eight.

Nice job for your lightweights, Sayer.  How many total matches did your 12 pounder wrestle to get eighth? Three?

Regards,
Lorenzo Neal
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2009, 05:06:57 PM
Lorenzo: Happened to recently stumble on some facts which I had forgotten or never knew in the first place. In 1957 Henry Jordan placed second in the UNL weight class in the then one and only NCAA nationals, and Mike Sandusky fourth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
He went 2-3. He was winning his match to get into the 5th and 6th placement round, 7-5. With about 20-30 seconds left he got taken down and instead of bellying and keeping the score tied, he held on to his head and gave up 2 back points. He doesn't understand when he's giving up points or when he's been taken down. We were yelling for him to belly and he looked at us with a face as if to say, "Why?" I wish he understood the sport and scenarios better and could comprehend what is going on...he'd be a monster.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 11, 2009, 12:02:23 PM
Sayer's good friend has resurfaced again...


http://www.reporternews.com/news/2009/mar/07/ruff-riders-settle-for-mcm-ex-not-ex-cowboy/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 11, 2009, 02:21:37 PM
Did Lewis not like the direction of the McMurray b/c he couldn't start for a 0-10 team?  MSJ should have never let him go.   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 12, 2009, 02:22:03 PM
Rashon Lewis was like an E. coli infested, giant T-Bone. At first glance, it looks amazing but after you've eaten it, you can't get off the john. I don't wish bad on anyone, so hopefully he's finally learned how to play with people...but old habits are hard to break.

I had the coach from the Kings Comets, Semi-Pro football team ask me to come back to play. There are days when I just think about playing and wish the NCAA would give me a 5th year so I could play again. All of you probably know the feeling. Then I realize how much hard work I had to put in to be successful. I don't think I have the time away from the wedding and coaching to do it or the mental drive.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 12, 2009, 11:48:28 PM
Sayer,

The King's Comets are hosting this years MCFL All-Star game.  In the past, think the game has had an interleague format with the MOFL providing the opposition.  Pretty sure this year's format is intraleague, but I've been wrong before.  Think my friend's relative is representing from the Louisville Bulls.  Know a handful of the guys that will be donning Indiana Mustang helmets.  Haven't been to King's Island since my table muscle jammed up the over the shoulder restraint harness on the Vortex.  More glad was stuck in it afterwards than ejected midride, but don't think the sight of me beached in that thing inspired confidence in those boarding.  :D

The OVFL, former incarnation of the MOFL, jumpstarted at least one player with the Odessa franchise in the Intense Football League. 

signed,
Reggie Williams
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 15, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
All,

I got Sayer to stay out last night and have some adult beverages while clowning around, lady-watching, throwing darts and drinking his white russians. 

The line of the night came after my partner and I had won very convincingly in the first game... "what did you expect, Sayer?  I'm used to winning, I went to Thomas More... you should be used to the losing"

Then after I got bored with it later, I picked a girl to finish the game for me... she hit a double bullseye to clinch the game!  Classic

Sayer -- said girl above ended up going with us to a fine, late-night establishment in Newport...  another classic
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on March 16, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Is this the same type of late night establishment that the city of Newport was the king of back in the 80's? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 16, 2009, 01:50:08 PM
indeed it is, KY.... indeed it is.   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 16, 2009, 07:19:53 PM
The boys from Norwood love those places...even better than the real ones.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on March 17, 2009, 11:32:33 AM
We would frequently visit those establishments when we were playing in a softball tournament around the Cincy area back in the days.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 19, 2009, 08:35:27 AM
This is from an article on ESPN regarding the Spring NFL meetings.

The main rules emphasis will be on player safety at the meetings. The committee will suggest eliminating the bunch formation on onside kicks. During discussions with players and coaches, it became clear that bunching up players on such kicks "are creating matchups that we don't like," McKay admitted.

The committee also wants to eliminate the wedge of three men or more blocking on kick returns.

"Plenty of teams have done it with two-man wedges, some do it with no wedge at all," McKay said.

Any hits to the helmet of defenseless receivers also are being targeted for elimination. Previously, only helmet-to-helmet hits have been outlawed.

"One of things we really focused on this year was player safety rules to eliminate techniques such as helmet-to helmet hits," NFL vice president of operations Ray Anderson said. "What we certainly noticed toward the second half of the season in particular, our violations for helmet-to-helmet hits started to decline. Players were adapting their play..."

Helmet-to-helmet contact on blindside hits also would be eliminated or heavily penalized.

McKay said officials will be encouraged to continue making low hits on quarterbacks and horse-collar tackles points of emphasis.


Though I feel certain measures should be taken to reduce the risk of severe injury (i.e. not hitting with the top of your head), I think people fail to realize that the unfortunate part of playing sports, especially football, is injury. It happens. It is as inevitable as eventually dying. How long will it take for football to become 2-hand touch? It may as well be for the QB. The NFL big wigs need to take off their pampers and grow a pair of onions. Preventing severe injury/death...do what you need to do, but some of this stuff is ridiculous. It is taking away some of the details that made people like Jack Lambert, Jack Tatum, and Dick Butkis, among others, great.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 19, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
I think we have discussed this a long while back, but guys like you mentioned Sayer, would not survive today's game.  Players continue to get stronger, faster, & bigger which almost forces the game of football to change.   I don't agree with all of the changes, but it is not up to the "NFL big wigs" to try to make everyone happy either.  These are items that the NFL need to address in order to limit injuries, especially ones that can end up w/ severe injury or death.  Also keep in mind they are only meeting about this, none of it is set in stone.
Should the automotive industry stop trying to make safer cars even though cars are still getting bigger & faster?    As time goes on there are different needs of change because the demand is different.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2009, 09:31:02 AM
Anyone have any suggestions for working with sprinters in track? Proper form, technique, or anything else? Though I am now a slender and sexy 235, I was never, EVER, anything close to resembling a sprinter. The only sprinting I did outside of football was running from the cops in the summer after pool hopping.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 20, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Sayer,

we are going to Willie's to watch the ball games tonight... come out if you want.

Coaching News:

Badin is going to announce their new Head Coach today.  Rumor is that Bill Tenore, former TMC player and coach will be named HC. 

MSJ has a new WR's coach..  Joel Lauer, who was the Madison Head Coach (OH) and was 15-25 in 4 years is moving up to coach college ball.  Joel is a Badin HS grad like Bill Tenore. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2009, 12:46:38 PM
Thanks for the invite but I doubt I will. The wrestling check was about $300 less than what I thought it would be. I need to start being frugal with my spending.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 22, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
DC hires new D Coordinator.  Former DC Grad who has been coaching LBs at Manchester the last couple yrs.   Last time Taylor hired an Alum for the DC position it worked well with Baumgartner...who just got back into coaching taking the head coaching job at Montpieller Hhigh School.  that is a tough one taking over program that was 0-10 last year with an average loss of 30-40 pts.

http://www.defianceathletics.com/football/news/1/305/

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 23, 2009, 02:44:34 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on March 22, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
...Baumgartner...who just got back into coaching taking the head coaching job at Montpieller Hhigh School.  that is a tough one taking over program that was 0-10 last year with an average loss of 30-40 pts.

http://www.defianceathletics.com/football/news/1/305/



It may be a tough situation for him to walk into at Montpelier, but an improvement on an 0-fer season isn't insurmountable.  ;D  All he needs to do is lead the Locomotives over Bryan, and he'll be feted as the reincarnation of Loco Legends, Hobie Krouse and Cletus "Pete" Dreher.   ;)  I wish him luck!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 23, 2009, 03:57:24 PM
Baumgartner has it easy just like Swartz does with the Lions.  All he has to do is win one game & it is already better than the year before. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 24, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
will be interesting to see how he does...it cant be any worse he can only make them better.  last years results

Hicksville -  0-35 (L) 
Liberty Center -  0-56 (L) 
Patrick Henry -  8-48 (L) 
Swanton -  6-34 (L) 
Bryan -  8-47 (L) 
Archbold -  22-48 (L) 
Wauseon -  0-49 (L) 
Hilltop -  14-39 (L) 
Evergreen -  0-45 (L) 
Delta -  6-14 (L) 

they need help on the defensive side of the ball, and it will take a few years to get kids developed into more physical players but Adam should be able to scheme them much better than they have had before.  the thing i found interesting was one of the assitant coaches from last year was a priest/preacher or something.  that should be interesting during the first bad practice when Adam lights a few people up!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 24, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
It took them 3 games to score...sounds like they need help on offense too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 24, 2009, 02:00:23 PM
Even with a man of the cloth they couldn't even get help from GOD! :D  Maybe if they bring a Rabbi & a Monk on board they could get something going.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 24, 2009, 03:09:56 PM
Much of the challenge facing Adam is resultant of demographics.  The NWOAL is the second oldest league in the state, and has remained relatively stable with only Defiance and Napoleon moving up in class since its 1926 inception.

Most of the industrial/commercial base of Williams County is gone (has been a gradual drop-off since the 1970s) and the population has dropped off accordingly.
Coupled with the refusal of the various townships to cede their civic pride in favor of school consolidation has yielded only two league championships since 1980 - Montpelier in 1983 and Bryan's last in 1988.  Eight high schools (five that field gridiron squads) with a county base of less than 40,000 is a tough nut.  Sadly, a similar situation may be coming to Archbold with the shutdown of LaChoy.

Most of Fulton County (except Archbold) escaped this situation as many companies (and workers) have migrated west from Toodleedoo into the Swanton, Evergreen, Delta, and Wauseon districts.  Henry County went through a massive consolidation movement back in the late 1960s and 1970s, reducing nine schools to three - Napoleon, Liberty Center, and Patrick Henry.  With an exception for Kmic's frosh and senior years at Delta, Liberty Center and PH have dominated the league for the past decade.

Again, I hope some stars align for Adam - if not, the pheasant shooting is prime.  ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 25, 2009, 01:18:02 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 24, 2009, 02:00:23 PM
Even with a man of the cloth they couldn't even get help from GOD! :D  Maybe if they bring a Rabbi & a Monk on board they could get something going.

What is this...some kind of joke?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 25, 2009, 01:49:12 PM
has to be.... everyone knows that would cancel it out.. 

plus I don't know any rabbi or monks who can throw a spiral or do any decent Pass Pro..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 25, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
What?  You don't like my humor Sayer?

SaintFan-good point. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2009, 09:44:40 AM
Well, a priest, a monk, and a rabbi walked into a bar and the bartender asked: "What is this...some kind of joke" Your comment reminded me of that. Maybe I've been hanging out with the special ed. kids too much???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 26, 2009, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2009, 09:44:40 AM
Well, a priest, a monk, and a rabbi walked into a bar and the bartender asked: "What is this...some kind of joke" Your comment reminded me of that. Maybe I've been hanging out with the special ed. kids too much???

I wasn't THAT banged up at Willie's...... was I?  You're comparing me to Special Ed kids?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 26, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
I only know one Rabbi & Priest joke that my wife loves to tell, but I can't share it b/c I would getting in some trouble with the big guy (Pat)! 
SaintsFan, what's wrong w/ Special Ed kids?  Doesn't the majority of Kentucky kids qualify for Special Ed anyway?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on March 26, 2009, 04:44:58 PM
Hey, quit picken on us hillbillies down here. >:( ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2009, 10:02:29 AM
The only reason they are not is because the home-schooling system has a hard time identifying them.
Title: RIP - Matt Kofler (ex Thomas More Offensive Coordinator)
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 27, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
All,

It is with great sadness that I report Matt Kofler has died after a short illness.  News is just getting back to us, but he passed on December 19, 2008 at his home in El Cajon, CA -- he was 49 years old.   Matt was the offensive coordinator at Thomas More from 1993-1995, before leaving for the same position at Southern Illinois.  He was of great influence on myself and others in the Thomas More program.  Not only was he a GREAT offensive mind, he was an even better person.... a real friend to us all.  On the field, many offensive records were set by the Blue Rebels/Saints during his time in Crestview Hills. 

Matt was a first team All-American quarterback for Mesa College in 1979, leading the nation in total offense.  He accepted a scholarship to San Diego State University where he set 9 SDSU passing records.  In 1982, Coach Kofler was drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the 2nd round.  He played four seasons on mostly bad teams in Buffalo and Indianapolis.   He was named offensive coordinator at Mesa College in San Diego in 1998 and assumed the Head Coach position there in 2006, leading the team to the playoffs in 2008. 

He is survived by his 14 year old son, Drew Kofler. 

Rest in Peace, Coach. 


-Kevin Niehus



http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/20/1s20kofler001158-ex-aztecs-nfl-quarterback-kofler-/?uniontrib
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 27, 2009, 11:57:39 AM
also... RIP, Reuben Bailey. 

Reuben played defensive tackle for Thomas More in 1998 and came from my hometown.  He was a starter as a true freshman and always had a huge smile on his face.  He had a larger-than-life personality and will be missed. 

Not a great week for the Thomas More family.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 31, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
Isn't it about time for spring ball. It may very well be going on currently...just wondering if anyone's heard any news?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 07, 2009, 07:42:04 AM
Well i dont think the talking heads on ESPN can continue to focus on OSU blowing it in national title games.  last night was a serious butt kicking.  i was asleep at halftime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 07, 2009, 10:47:21 AM
They now can say the disease is spreading in the Big Ten.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 17, 2009, 08:19:07 AM
too quiet in here...

looking forward to next weekend to see whos career the Bengals destroy in this years draft.  DC golf outing 5/9, get your livers ready!

i am out...it is too nice today i am hitting the golf course!  told the wife i have a meeting to go to
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 17, 2009, 08:47:21 AM
Your wife is going to be pissed when she realizes you are drunk and sunburnt at 5:30 today when you show up at the house, trying to play it off...


Believe me... I've been there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 19, 2009, 09:00:21 AM
sunscreen and i am sales so cominng home a little lit would not be too unheard of. 

but the beautiful thing is she knows i was golfing just thinks it was work related
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on April 20, 2009, 09:36:15 AM
Chad Rupp has graduated early and headed overseas to play Professional Football in Germany.

Here is a link to their website(you may need a translater if you can not speak German like myself):

http://www.unicorns.de/home.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 20, 2009, 11:05:38 AM
I looked into that back in 2006. Some of the guys who played on the Semi-Pro team played in Italy and Germany and recommended I look into it. It looks to be a great thing. They pay for you to house, eat, and travel. You don't get much money, but the necessities are paid and who wouldn't want to live in Germany or Italy for a couple years. The only downside is competitiveness. Each team is only allowed a certain number of Americans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 23, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
That's good news to hear that Rupp is continuing to play ball.  I tried looking at the website & couldn't figure much out.  I had to have a coworker help me out w/ it.  Anyways, I hope he does well!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2009, 02:04:28 PM
Cut and Paste into Bablefish or some other translation website and you can get the gist of the argument.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 24, 2009, 12:22:28 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2009, 02:04:28 PM
Cut and Paste into Bablefish or some other translation website and you can get the gist of the argument.

Ich verstehe ein wenig, und Adam ist Recht.  Ohne Zweifel! 

Those clouded hours, decades ago, with Karl Heinz Planitz and Hermann Weibe only allowed so much absorption when there was so much "competition."  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 24, 2009, 01:20:30 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on April 24, 2009, 12:22:28 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2009, 02:04:28 PM
Cut and Paste into Bablefish or some other translation website and you can get the gist of the argument.

Ich verstehe ein wenig, und Adam ist Recht.  Ohne Zweifel! 

Those clouded hours, decades ago, with Karl Heinz Planitz and Hermann Weibe only allowed so much absorption when there was so much "competition."  ;D ;)

I'm not sure if it pleases or troubles me that with my 40-years-past German I understood you perfectly! :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 24, 2009, 02:30:43 PM
I think it should trouble. I took 3 years of Deutsch in high school (less than 10 years ago) and had to read very slowly to understand.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 24, 2009, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 24, 2009, 01:20:30 AM


I'm not sure if it pleases or troubles me that with my 40-years-past German I understood you perfectly! :D

We're of the same age and era, Mr. Y.  Neither troubled nor pleasured, but utterly confused over selective retention and involuntary, cerebral disbursement.   :D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
What's going to be the next "Flu" epidemic?
A) Walrus Flu
B) Giraffe Flu
C) Catfish Flu
D) Horse Flu

Watch out everyone...stay away from the sausage or those who LOVE the sausage or the Swine Flu will getcha!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 05, 2009, 09:00:09 AM
Surprised there has been no reaction on this board to a possibility of HCAC expansion.  The April 30th edition of the Earlham Word has been an interesting discussion item on the NCAC and SCAC sites. 

Unsure about administrative claims that Earlham would rise to middle-pack participant from current benthic-feeder status, athletically, but the Quakers would provide added fodder for Hanover haters.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 06, 2009, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on May 05, 2009, 09:00:09 AM
Surprised there has been no reaction on this board to a possibility of HCAC expansion.  The April 30th edition of the Earlham Word has been an interesting discussion item on the NCAC and SCAC sites. 

Unsure about administrative claims that Earlham would rise to middle-pack participant from current benthic-feeder status, athletically, but the Quakers would provide added fodder for Hanover haters.  ;D

I know that I don't pay attention to it for obvious reasons.  That would make the conference academically stronger but not athletically.  Meanwhile they have a school 11 miles south of MSJ that would make the most sense -- and fit academically with the others.  Maybe we'll have to wait and see if the football, basketball, and baseball programs ever suck at the same time at Thomas More. 

And hell no... Earlham would be garbage in the HCAC as well.  Look at their results against the bottom-feeders in the NCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 06, 2009, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 06, 2009, 09:13:04 AM
 

And hell no... Earlham would be garbage in the HCAC as well.  Look at their results against the bottom-feeders in the NCAC.

But there's always Field Hockey and an opportunity to elevate softball from its current club status...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 06, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
A few Quakers never hurt anything...ever - they are against war and violence. Seriously, who would ever want to be a Quaker?  Being called the butterflies is more fierce.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 11, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
Quakers make some great oatmeal though! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on May 13, 2009, 08:35:19 PM
Hanover would have somebody they could beat regularly  lol
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 15, 2009, 10:15:39 AM
That was pretty funny....but even Hanover might struggle with them :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 15, 2009, 04:12:38 PM
anyone want to hear about the Night Out I had with Mr. Sayer and old-man Sayer??

I was laughing about it still the next day and my current female interest wasn't TOO mad about what happened.  I just owe her a night at a Sushi Steakhouse now
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 18, 2009, 10:04:46 PM
Actually, that was Mr. Kappner. He's the biological Old Man...I was adopted by someone else, hence the name difference.

He's usually pretty crazy, but never as bad as he was that night. From telling the bartender at Willies that he was gonna do her after he was done eating his burger to placing his hands places where they shouldn't have been to yelling obscenities while an underage person was on the phone...not good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 28, 2009, 10:23:42 AM
Wow...did some plants release deadly toxins into the air around the HCAC schools causing everyone to go nuts and kill themselves and as a result, I'm the only one left??? That would make a heck of a movie if you ask me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 29, 2009, 04:08:08 PM
only 2-3 more months before we start hearing from our good friend, fc84 again. 

Counting down.... 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 29, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 28, 2009, 10:23:42 AM
Wow...did some plants release deadly toxins into the air around the HCAC schools causing everyone to go nuts and kill themselves and as a result, I'm the only one left??? That would make a heck of a movie if you ask me.

Yeah, a lethal protest of the CO2 caps negatively affecting their future progeny -

Soybean Green - starring Adam Sayer as Last Man Gasping and Kevin Neihuis as Only Man Grasping  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 01, 2009, 08:26:18 AM
I got into some trouble the other night with some guys. Apparently they were trying to get a little tail from a girl and I ruined it for them. This chick, who was probably 5'8" 115 pounds, walked into their house with a bottle of vodka, 2 giant red bulls, and soda water. This chick was about as superficial and ditzy as they come...hence why I think every guy at the house was trying to get some. Anyway, she was bragging about how she had been at the pool drinking and all day and couldn't take it anymore and ordered 2 large pizzas cause she was hungry. Like it is a sin to enjoy eating???

I couldn't help myself and told her it would be a good idea to remove her Bulimia Bag from the car before it started stinking. She then promptly bagged up her drinking items, called me an asshole, and left. I thought it was hysterical, everyone else...not so much.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on June 01, 2009, 08:42:56 AM
Not much football here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 01, 2009, 10:09:34 AM
Geez Adam - you sound like a married guy already!  ;D ;D

Quote from: frank uible on June 01, 2009, 08:42:56 AM
Not much football here.

Sorry, Frank, but no information has been forthcoming from any of the participating schools or posters at this point.  Hopefully, the Varsity D golf fest in a few weeks will provide some fodder courtesy of 70 DC, Has Been, and other contributors.

Dick Kaiser resigned as AD at Defiance, effective 30 June, to take over the AD position at South Dakota School of Mines and Technology - and presumably help move that school toward D II.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 01, 2009, 01:15:09 PM
Sayer...hilarious and i am with you on the comment, well needed but you should have saved it until after she paid foor the Pizza

Cave2Bens - i never go up to the Alumni D outing, i always do the Football Alumni one in the spring which all of the funds go directly to the team for stuff they need.  plus it is a lot more laid back and a lot more beer.

but there are a couple stories but nothing like last year when a guy crapped on the driveway.  i guess the good news was since he was not going to have a crapping re-occurance we had a DD for the night and his brother bought a retard/short bus for tailgating so we were all rocking out in the short buss all weekend.

interesting on Kaiser...i have been to South Dakota, makes DC look like NYC.  he was a good supporter of the football team when i was there but not sure if him and Taylor always saw eye to eye.  will be interesting to see who they bring into that role
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 01, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
Good to know you're still alive, Ben, and apologies for mixing up the two outings - dumb rugby alums don't do golf - we just meet up in Phoenix for a weekend of spring training and beers (or fishing and beers, or grilling in the driveway and beers...)  ;D

Regarding Kaiser's relocation, at least Rapid City has Reptile Gardens and is closer to Wall Drug (for those old enough to remember "Wall Drug Store" signs - they've kind of gone the way of Burma Shave).  Since a new field house is in the offing, maybe the new college prez will bring in one of his old HUD cronies?  :D

Any poop on this years' edition of the Jackets offered during your debaucherous adventures?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 01, 2009, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 01, 2009, 08:26:18 AM

I couldn't help myself and told her it would be a good idea to remove her Bulimia Bag from the car before it started stinking. She then promptly bagged up her drinking items, called me an asshole, and left. I thought it was hysterical, everyone else...not so much.

Too bad I wasn't there... I still could've closed the deal.  A.B.C -- Always Be Closing

cave2bens -- nice... I think I've seen that movie but it wasn't SaintsFAN doing the grasping.. 

Thomas More helds its annual Golf Outing for the Football Team this past weekend.  Besides getting made fun of by Coach Hilvert for signing up Justin Frisk on my squad (he didn't show up) it was a great time.  Its such a great thing to be able to see everyone again (and compare how fat each of us are getting)... the "reception" was held at Dickmanns in Ft Wright (Pat Coleman shared a few bevies with me there last November).  The one thing I'll suggest they do from now on.... it has to do with the Alcohol gift pack (won by Joe Shriver this year)...  Maybe they should not hand that out during the Dickmanns Deal... the cocktail waitresses were warning yours truly to NOT open the bottles while I was a customer there (I was parading around with a bottle of Jack).  We finally got it open and finished it about 10 minutes later -- doing shots..  and my oh my -- were there some drunk folks.

I'm still not feeling right after Saturday night.

If you are bored tonight, watch my boy -- David participate on the Bachelorette.  Lives in Dayton and works with me.  He has been causing a lot of drama on there.  You guys would love him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 07, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
I'm sure Kevin and I will have a plethora of stories come June 21st and the week to follow...assuming we don't kill ourselves with too many drinks of the alcoholic variety during my Bachelor Party. Actually, if any of us have more than 1 or 2 stories we can remember it shouldn't be considered a successful evening :)

As far as I know, things at MSJ are going as planned. They have been recruiting, and I've been told, getting, some quality DB's (an area the DC said they were lacking). Apparently the D-line is top notch, which has been the case most years since 2000. On the offensive side of the ball, I don't have anything. The two coaches helping out at the Marvin Lewis Camp were defensive coaches.

I'm starting to get a little excited about the HS year coming up for us and in general. The Cincinnati area had 3 teams listed on Maxpreps Nat'l top 25 (Elder #7, Colerain #18, and Highlands #24) as well as another Ohio team (Glenville). They didn't rank them, but spoke very highly of Moeller and St. X as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 11, 2009, 09:22:04 AM
since this is the boring time of year the only FB news around is Chad Johnson back in Cincy.  i like what i hear and am hoping that he just realized he is playing a contract year and comes out swinging.  more important anyone see the news last night to see what he did?

got 3 tattoo's on his face.  2 little crosses under his right eye and interlocking OC (for ocho cinco)across the bridge of his nose (i think they said this they did not show) and the best the freaking outline of the state of florida under his left eye.

just freaking hilarious...i wish i had 50M in the bank so i could do dumb crap and get tattoos of things i love on my face.  Golden Corrall Buffett and Miller Lite your logos would be coming to my cheeks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 12, 2009, 07:57:03 AM
Hilarious and back to old form!

"Everybody had fun with Chad Ochocinco's facial tattoos — especially Chad because they turned out to be fake and we, the media, fell for the washable ink hook, line and sinker."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2009, 11:56:37 AM
This is great. You all have to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFPsaxdzyAQ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 13, 2009, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2009, 11:56:37 AM
This is great. You all have to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFPsaxdzyAQ

Brings back fond memories of the old codger (late 60's through 1972) who used to host the all night movie marathons in Cinci - trying to recall if his sponsor was Hudepol or Sir Edward's.  Regardless, he'd be totally pissed up by 2:00 AM and the old Flash Gordon serials would be playing.  Cheap entertainment in Oxford after too many pitchers and pickles at Al and Larry's and Miami women at the Purity were uncooperative.  Thank goodness for the zany ladies from Western College.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 17, 2009, 10:29:39 PM
Where is everybody? Has anyone heard from has_been?

Sayer has his bachelorette party on Saturday.  Should be fun, even if I have to hang with a bunch of turds from MSJ.  Is Rashon Lewis invited?  What about the dude who broke the leg of a DC player (and is now a cheerleader at an Indiana College)??

Talk about a fall from grace.... MSJ gridder turns to cheerleading??  Ha!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
See....I'm friends with legit football players. People who are down to Earth and love to drink a few cold ones...even if it means getting kicked out of Waffle House later in the evening.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 22, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
See...even if it means getting kicked out of Waffle House later in the evening.

Well, all right, "Kid Rock!"   ;D Will we see you doing penance, serving up some eggs and hash browns (extra crispy, and spread)?  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 23, 2009, 08:27:22 AM
I could see Sayer as Kid Rock but would have to be sporting a wicked Mullet.

I was looking at DC's schedule and could set them up for a good start.  Back to back home games to start with Franklin as the first conference game in week 4 then a strech of the 4 teams they historically do well against before going to cincy to play at MSJ in November which could turn into a very large game.

Trine will be a challenge in week 3, they lose some on Defense but from scanning the all MIAA teams they seem to be loaded on returning all conference guys on offense.  will be a good test if DC can take care of business with Musky and Adrian at home.

I like having Franklin in week 1 - they will be good but will be losing a lot considering Rupp his top 3 recievers and a O-lineman or 2 all graduated...that is a lot of production that has to step up.  I am betting that it will take them a bit before they start to jell and they have a tougher preconfernece schedule with Baldwin Wallace, Butler U, and Trine.  if there is ever a good time to play them that would be it.





Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 23, 2009, 09:08:33 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
See....I'm friends with legit football players. People who are down to Earth and love to drink a few cold ones...even if it means getting kicked out of Waffle House later in the evening.

SaintsFAN got thrown out of the Reds Game after being seperated from Sayer and crew..  still not sure what the offense was, but whatever.  After hearing Sayer and Co were out until 4:30 --- kinda glad. 

70-- agreed on DC's schedule.  The key to DC's season, though, is finding a guy to rotate the spheroid down the field.  Without a good QB -- DC will be close, but no cigar. 

I'm headed up to Cleveland for JCU/Thomas More in week 1.  The Saints have virtually everyone back from the 2008 team and they owe the Blue Streaks big time from last year.  The game last year took place after Coach Hilvert and the staff installed a totally new offense in training camp... after seeing the athletes who showed up on campus.  With a year under their belt and W&J losing their big time QB, I'm hoping for a big season from Thomas More. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 23, 2009, 12:12:16 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on June 23, 2009, 09:08:33 AM

SaintsFAN got thrown out of the Reds Game after being seperated from Sayer and crew..  still not sure what the offense was, but whatever.  After hearing Sayer and Co were out until 4:30 --- kinda glad. 


you are now finally getting old.

Yes DC needs a QB to step up and there aer some guys that show promise.  the last several years they have depended on an RB or solid D to keep it close.  if they want the Cigar they need to challenge on the offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 23, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
Well, maybe I'm getting old... but after the month I've had, it was necessary.

Four weeks ago was a long weekend in the 2nd City.  Chicago is great in the late Spring.  After the long nights, I'm glad I didn't relocate up to there when the company opened an office downtown on Wacker Ave. 

Three weeks ago was the TMC Golf Outing --- with all the teammates showing up for it... we were out until 4am.  It was like we were still in college.  Something that all of us look forward to for the other 364 days of the year.

Two weeks ago was a trip to Put in Bay with the fellas for a "Guys Weekend".  Nothing more really needs to be said about that -- its an Adult Spring Break destination.

This weekend is my birthday celebration... I was already worn out before Adam's Bachelorette Party... I couldn't take much more.  I'm going to Lake Cumberland for July 4th and then Adam's wedding in Columbus on July 18th.

ah, the life of a single guy.. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 23, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
sounds like a 6 week sausage fest with all of your Guys weekends!!

I am in Chicago about every other week...late spring to early fall it rocks and have had a many of those nights.  winter up there sucks and that is coming form someone who always lived in Ohio and does not mind the cold.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 24, 2009, 09:44:23 AM
I was fortunate on both my trips to Chicago. One was during New Year's Eve and the whole week it didn't get colder than 25 or 30 degrees. One day was around 45 and sunny. Last Halloween I went and it was fairly nice then too. Lindsey's best friend and her husband live in a High Rise that faces the corn cob towers, the big Chicago sign, and the new Trump Building. Its a nice place to stay for a weekend.

Yesterday was the first day I felt 100%...then again, I don't remember the last time I took 5 or more shots (I only remember 5) and drank 15 or so beers in a night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Aren't one of you guys from Northmont High School. I hear they are thinking about changing the name to Northmolester after a football and track coach got busted with a 17 year old girl. This is the second time this has happend in 5 years at the school. Apparently the latest guy was just married a month prior  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 25, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Aren't one of you guys from Northmont High School. I hear they are thinking about changing the name to Northmolester after a football and track coach got busted with a 17 year old girl. This is the second time this has happend in 5 years at the school. Apparently the latest guy was just married a month prior  ::)

Very sad statement on society, but a problem that has persisted for many years but was not discussed or prosecuted, at least publicly.   >:(

Never a Northmont guy, but did reside in the Clayton/Englewood "metroplex" for several years.  For molesters, Northmont High is probably a more target-rich environment than the Kroger, Bob Evans, or Boston Stoker parking lots.  ::)

Cue 70 DC Alum...  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 25, 2009, 01:44:24 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 24, 2009, 09:44:23 AM
Yesterday was the first day I felt 100%...then again, I don't remember the last time I took 5 or more shots (I only remember 5) and drank 15 or so beers in a night.

Thats a typical night out for some in here...  You won't have to worry about it once you walk the plank in three weeks, though!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2009, 08:21:05 AM
Northmolester nice one sayer...yes i am Northmont class of 95.  I did not think he got married, i never liked him.  he was an Urbana University grad and coached there for a few years too.  not that i would defend him but the girl had graduated and was no longer a student (my guess since she was a grad was a month or 2 from being 18.

the last northmont coach played for Ohio State and was banging one of his students.  He is in jail and should be...he wass a jr high special ed teacher.  yes he was banging a 7th/8th grade special ed student!  lets add the fact that one of my classmates from 95 Marc Greenburg who was Chaminade Julliane's girls b-ball coach wass just arrested and all over the dayton news a month ago for using the internet to pick up FBI agents posing as 13 year olds.  he was also a Lawyer and sent a video of him "badgering his witness" to the FBI agent!  nice huh...that guy was always a duchebag.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 26, 2009, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Aren't one of you guys from Northmont High School. I hear they are thinking about changing the name to Northmolester after a football and track coach got busted with a 17 year old girl. This is the second time this has happend in 5 years at the school. Apparently the latest guy was just married a month prior  ::)

If this isn't the most CLEAR sign to NOT get married, Sayer.  SaintsFAN doesn't know what is..  Its obvious this is his newleywed wife's fault.  Did he do it BEFORE he got married?  nope. 

My friend, we need to talk..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 26, 2009, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on June 26, 2009, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Aren't one of you guys from Northmont High School. I hear they are thinking about changing the name to Northmolester after a football and track coach got busted with a 17 year old girl. This is the second time this has happend in 5 years at the school. Apparently the latest guy was just married a month prior  ::)

If this isn't the most CLEAR sign to NOT get married, Sayer.  SaintsFAN doesn't know what is..  Its obvious this is his newleywed wife's fault.  Did he do it BEFORE he got married?  nope. 

My friend, we need to talk..

Just make sure that all contingencies are considered, Sayer.  ::)

Ms. Caves leaves for a 3 month detail in Namibia in two weeks, but her Hausfrau  remains in Atlanta - old, decrepit, and unable to handle blue pills (yeah, Alleves - that's it!)  because of the cardiac meds - oh, alas...  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2009, 08:42:17 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2009, 08:21:05 AM
not that i would defend him but the girl had graduated and was no longer a student (my guess since she was a grad was a month or 2 from being 18.


To further prove he was a moron.  
1. They both live in Englewood they drive near Wilmington (about an hour) to fool around like cops cant bust you away from home.  

2.parks in the driveway of an abandoned home so the neighbors immediately call the cops (maybe it was hard to tell but why drive an hour to laypipe in some strangers driveway if you are trying to stay low key).

3. trys to tell the cop he is 17, cause you know she is, dude you are 35 and look it if you forget what you look like there is a nice mugshot in the dayton daily news.  lets not forget it is your car they have your license number and SSN and a computer in the car

4. refuses to get out of the car after he is found out so he gets introduced to sparky aka Mr Taser and now gets charged with resisting arrest!!  In Ohio if she is 17 the charge is contributing to the delinquency of minors which is a misdameanor and the same charge you would get if you bought them smokes.  Not sure if worse because teacher student, but remember she is no longer a student she graduated but since you were a jackass the Englewood PD has all of thier detectives working to dig up historical dirt on you which i am guessing there is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 26, 2009, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2009, 08:42:17 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2009, 08:21:05 AM
not that i would defend him but the girl had graduated and was no longer a student (my guess since she was a grad was a month or 2 from being 18.


To further prove he was a moron.  
1. They both live in Englewood they drive near Wilmington (about an hour) to fool around like cops cant bust you away from home.  

2.parks in the driveway of an abandoned home so the neighbors immediately call the cops (maybe it was hard to tell but why drive an hour to laypipe in some strangers driveway if you are trying to stay low key).

3. trys to tell the cop he is 17, cause you know she is, dude you are 35 and look it if you forget what you look like there is a nice mugshot in the dayton daily news.  lets not forget it is your car they have your license number and SSN and a computer in the car

4. refuses to get out of the car after he is found out so he gets introduced to sparky aka Mr Taser and now gets charged with resisting arrest!!  In Ohio if she is 17 the charge is contributing to the delinquency of minors which is a misdameanor and the same charge you would get if you bought them smokes.  Not sure if worse because teacher student, but remember she is no longer a student she graduated but since you were a jackass the Englewood PD has all of thier detectives working to dig up historical dirt on you which i am guessing there is.

Sounds typical of Northmont Grads..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 26, 2009, 10:37:53 AM
I would have lied through my teeth and said she had graduated and was 18...or at least thats what she told me............

The funny thing are the similarities Kevin, but I will never be caught in the middle of the night in a car at an abandoned house with Miss Swan...I would at least be smart enough to take her to TJ's house...he has a spare bedroom  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 26, 2009, 03:38:10 PM
HA...

alright boys, hold it down for me.  Off on a boat for the rest of the weekend for my birthday. 

Enjoy yourselves.... you bunch of land dwellers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 26, 2009, 08:46:10 PM
Hope you brought your swim trunks and your flippy-floppies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 29, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 26, 2009, 08:46:10 PM
Hope you brought your swim trunks and your flippy-floppies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU

Was on a boat all weekend.  We played that song as we pulled up to JB Finns/Hooters on Saturday.  BTW for all you single men out there.... pulling up with the boat really helps the game out with the Hooters waitresses.  WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 29, 2009, 08:57:07 PM
Thanks for the invite....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 30, 2009, 08:27:35 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 29, 2009, 08:57:07 PM
Thanks for the invite....

You said you were going to Columbus for the weekend. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 30, 2009, 08:44:57 AM
Yeah...I guess the future father-in-law would have been a little upset had I not went to the ballgame after he planned a group outing just for me.


I would love to be on a boat cruising the Ohio River and maybe catching a few 3-eyed fish.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 08, 2009, 08:49:26 AM
Word around is the FCC is trying to band the word "Midget."  Looks like SaintsFan will have to settle for "Little People Gone Wild" for now on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 08, 2009, 09:48:06 AM
I like using "little people"...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 17, 2009, 10:54:01 AM
Sayer walks the plank tomorrow....

comments/suggestions for him???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 17, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on July 17, 2009, 10:54:01 AM
Sayer walks the plank tomorrow....

comments/suggestions for him???

Tri-weekly. try weekly, and try weakly.  'Nuf said.  Congrats, Adam, and take lots of pics - you won't remember much!

Slainte.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 19, 2009, 05:32:41 PM
Yep...I am now a married man. The house is hopefully coming August 31st. I had numerous compliments regarding the wedding and reception and when the pics come up on the internet here in a couple weeks, I will post the website.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 20, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
Congrats, and wish you the best of luck.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 21, 2009, 02:10:22 PM
Sayer:

I was away for a few days, so just now saw your own announcement.  I know what you have just experienced since our youngest (and last) daughter just got married also on the 4th of July (to a Hope College hockey player graduate no less!).  Anyway, I join the others in sending you and your new wife congratulations on your wedding and wish you both all the best and God's Blessings for the future years.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 22, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
Congrats Sayer! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 23, 2009, 09:20:22 PM
Thanks everyone. So far our only argument has been about eating leftovers and my paranoia regarding money. :)

We didn't take a honeymoon but stayed local at a nice hotel and have been eating at some nice restaurants (i.e. The Precinct) and relaxing around Cincy. Its saved us a lot of money and abled us to get ome stuff done regarding the future house.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 24, 2009, 08:36:48 AM
Sayer - Congrats and 2 bits of advice

1. Yes Dear - learn it, while devastating to the natural thinking cause they are usually wrong its not worth trying to explain the unexplainable.  just store it and it will allow you to be a grumpy old man some day.  you ever wonder why old men are grumpy yet old ladies just become nicer or crazy cat ladies...result years of being "right" makes you happy and far from reality!!!!!!

while you have a joint bank account funded enough to pay all the bills each should keep a separate with spare cash even if just a little from each check.  most money fights which will be the number 1 thing, are over stupid little things when the other realizes something was bought.  with your own account they will never know about 95% of what you do its only when you get drunk and put a round for the bar on the wrong debit card that you get in trouble.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 24, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 24, 2009, 08:36:48 AM
Sayer - Congrats and 2 bits of advice

1. Yes Dear - learn it, while devastating to the natural thinking cause they are usually wrong its not worth trying to explain the unexplainable.  just store it and it will allow you to be a grumpy old man some day.  you ever wonder why old men are grumpy yet old ladies just become nicer or crazy cat ladies...result years of being "right" makes you happy and far from reality!!!!!!

while you have a joint bank account funded enough to pay all the bills each should keep a separate with spare cash even if just a little from each check.  most money fights which will be the number 1 thing, are over stupid little things when the other realizes something was bought.  with your own account they will never know about 95% of what you do its only when you get drunk and put a round for the bar on the wrong debit card that you get in trouble.


Sage, sound, and profound advice, 70!

One word of caution, Adam - with time passage, deviations and/or inflections of "Yes Dear" may be misinterpreted (whether intentional or imagined) and a fall back strategy should be available for that contingency.  ;D

A beer frig, strategically located near the lawn mower, weed whacker, and other noisy "man toys" in the garage, and a cheap, folding camp chair provides necessary solitude for at least fifteen minutes.  The smell of oil and gasoline discourages and disengages the XX-linked curiosities.  ;)  Regrettably, mother-in-laws show some immunity to this tack, probably due to mutation, so keep that in mind.  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on July 24, 2009, 04:11:34 PM
Footbal season better come quickly, because this thread has been now reduced to a "Dear Abby" column.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 25, 2009, 08:53:50 AM
Ha Ha Ha...point taken. And football is just around the bend. I believe training camps start next week for the NFL. Our 2-a-days start the week after next and we have 4 summer camp days next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderguy on July 25, 2009, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on July 24, 2009, 08:36:48 AM
Sayer - Congrats and 2 bits of advice

1. Yes Dear - learn it, while devastating to the natural thinking cause they are usually wrong its not worth trying to explain the unexplainable.  just store it and it will allow you to be a grumpy old man some day.  you ever wonder why old men are grumpy yet old ladies just become nicer or crazy cat ladies...result years of being "right" makes you happy and far from reality!!!!!!

while you have a joint bank account funded enough to pay all the bills each should keep a separate with spare cash even if just a little from each check.  most money fights which will be the number 1 thing, are over stupid little things when the other realizes something was bought.  with your own account they will never know about 95% of what you do its only when you get drunk and put a round for the bar on the wrong debit card that you get in trouble.



Ah Yes Dear. I play that card all the time and my wife hates it. She knows it means it might happen in someones lifetime but not necessarily in "Ours". ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 29, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
I just got pulled over by a cop who stated I ran a stop sign. I told him that I did not run it, I rolled through it...he wasn't impressed with my humor and gave me a $110 ticket. Then he felt the need to have a 2nd police officer show up at the scene (which happend to be when I parked the car in front of my apartment). Seriously...2 cop cars for a person who supposedly ran a stop sign? Isn't there something better to do? I mean, people have been shot and there are a fair amount of robberies, yet they need 2 officers for a guy who "ran" a stop sign. IDIOTS.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 29, 2009, 11:50:43 PM
Your tax money at work! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 30, 2009, 12:48:20 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 29, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
I just got pulled over by a cop who stated I ran a stop sign. I told him that I did not run it, I rolled through it...he wasn't impressed with my humor and gave me a $110 ticket. Then he felt the need to have a 2nd police officer show up at the scene (which happend to be when I parked the car in front of my apartment). Seriously...2 cop cars for a person who supposedly ran a stop sign? Isn't there something better to do? I mean, people have been shot and there are a fair amount of robberies, yet they need 2 officers for a guy who "ran" a stop sign. IDIOTS.

With the steroid enhanced, marijuana leaf in your avatar - can you expect anything else?   ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 30, 2009, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 29, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
I just got pulled over by a cop who stated I ran a stop sign. I told him that I did not run it, I rolled through it...he wasn't impressed with my humor and gave me a $110 ticket. Then he felt the need to have a 2nd police officer show up at the scene (which happend to be when I parked the car in front of my apartment). Seriously...2 cop cars for a person who supposedly ran a stop sign? Isn't there something better to do? I mean, people have been shot and there are a fair amount of robberies, yet they need 2 officers for a guy who "ran" a stop sign. IDIOTS.

Thats Deer Park for ya.... don't mind that the neighborhoods around DP are crumbling, but they aren't paying attention to keep it OUT of their jurisdiction... they are playing around with stop signs.

No wonder cops get made fun of..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderguy on July 30, 2009, 09:43:30 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 29, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
I just got pulled over by a cop who stated I ran a stop sign. I told him that I did not run it, I rolled through it...he wasn't impressed with my humor and gave me a $110 ticket. Then he felt the need to have a 2nd police officer show up at the scene (which happend to be when I parked the car in front of my apartment). Seriously...2 cop cars for a person who supposedly ran a stop sign? Isn't there something better to do? I mean, people have been shot and there are a fair amount of robberies, yet they need 2 officers for a guy who "ran" a stop sign. IDIOTS.

Well you can be glad your not in Minnesota where we just had a plain clothes cop pull a guy over in his apartment parking lot to give him a ticket for "irratic driving". They got into a fight. Witness said the fight broke up and the two were seperated when then the cop shot the suspect 4 times in the chest. The suspect did not have a gun he was only wearing a bathing suit at the time. Yikes! >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 30, 2009, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: frank uible on July 24, 2009, 04:11:34 PM
Footbal season better come quickly, because this thread has been now reduced to a "Dear Abby" column.

frank:

Me thinks you are right, although during the offseason it is fun and we do need to have some "comic relief" at times! :o ;D ;)  Nothing wrong with that!  Nonetheless, like you and everyone else here of our colleagues, I am, indeed, ready for the football season to start and posting with all of you again this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 03, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
After looking at the pre-season All American team, I think I'm going to put my money on Mount Union to win another National Championship  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 03, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
HCAC'ers:

You've probably noticed this, but there has been much great and interesting discussion over on the NCAC board about Earlham College probably leaving that conference and some speculation on what, then, might be the situation for Wabash potentially (I won't go into all the details here as it is to "complicated" and too numerous of comments/postings - so you all can review those over on the NCAC board).  At any rate, it is (I would dare say, "going out on a limb") that probably the best and most realistic/sensible (and/or potentially only) option for Earlham is for them to join the HCAC.  I haven't seen any discussion/comments here on the latter potential scenario and am thus just wondering what, if anything, any of you may have heard or know about this as well as your own opinions.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 03, 2009, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 03, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
HCAC'ers:

You've probably noticed this, but there has been much great and interesting discussion over on the NCAC board about Earlham College probably leaving that conference and some speculation on what, then, might be the situation for Wabash potentially (I won't go into all the details here as it is to "complicated" and too numerous of comments/postings - so you all can review those over on the NCAC board).  At any rate, it is (I would dare say, "going out on a limb") that probably the best and most realistic/sensible (and/or potentially only) option for Earlham is for them to join the HCAC.  I haven't seen any discussion/comments here on the latter potential scenario and am thus just wondering what, if anything, any of you may have heard or know about this as well as your own opinions.  Thanks.

They would be a doormat in the HCAC also... probably would beat Defiance about every 4 years when the Jackets put out their terrible team of the decade. 

I don't think this improves the HCAC, except for the academic reputation part.  I think the HCAC is better off courting Thomas More.  But that won't happen after the TMC football team, mens and women's basketball team, baseball team and softball team each won PAC titles in 2008/2009. 

Until then, HCAC will always consider colleges with crappy athletic departments because they want the original teams to feel better about themselves in competition.  Rose Hulman, Transy and now Earlham??  I rest my case..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 03, 2009, 11:09:10 PM
SaintsFAN:

You and I have discussed this "way back" forever!  I realize that others here in the HCAC don't agree, but we've always felt that TMC should have been in the HCAC for a variety of reasons.  I won't go into all that again - don't want to start another "WWIII discussion" on this! ;D  I do, however, respect those other opinions, even if they differ from both of ours.

All that being said, realistically, I see Earlham as having a chance at improving their program in the HCAC.  Granted, some of the schools like Bluffton and now, surprisingly Hanover (and we could include Defiance in there as well), are struggling after seemingly starting to rise for a while - and I mean no disrespect to any of those schools at all in that regard.  Yet, I think Earlham could be competive eventually - it would provide them a chance to do so as compared to where they have been in the NCAC.  It obviously won't happen overnight, and, yes, realistically, it might not ever happen at all - I'm not nieve enough to not believe that the latter is certainly a high(er) possibility.  But overall, as I mentioned, I don't really see any other options for them (other than if they went NAIA) or even dropped the program, the latter option I hope and pray would never happen - in shouldn't (we don't want any more Swarthmore debacles - add to the latter Blackburn and Colorado College situations either) :)  Anyway, keep us posted you HCAC friends on this potential situation.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 04, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
I am going to put this down as Saintsfan wanting to get under my skin to get a post out of me but then he Suckered D3DB into this!!  In the last 10yrs  Defiance has had 2 that would classify as Saintsfans "Terrible team of  the Decade" only thing is that was 02 and 04 where they were 1-5 in HCAC with a 3-3 in-between.  More like a bad class or 2 than anything else.  You take out that one stretch (which is not as bad as some others) Defiance has not dominated teams like the first 2 years but has been one of the more consistent in the HCAC since 2000.  Of course always being in 3rd is like being a good wingman with the "big girls" while your buddy is picking up the hot trim!!

So for D3DB who wants to lump DC in the basement  - Here is DC's record since we joined the HCAC

2000 (4-2 HCAC) 2nd place
2001 (5-1 HCAC) 1st Place
2002 (1-5 HCAC) Tied Last
2003 (3-3 HCAC) 4th Place
2004 (1-5 HCAC) 6th Place 2nd to last
2005 (4-2 HCAC) 2nd Place
2006 (5-2 HCAC) 3rd Place
2007 (4-3 HCAC) 3rd Place
2008 (4-3 HCAC) 3rd Place


And just to make SaintsFan happy.  I have always been 100% behind TMC in the HCAC.  I have not found one legit excuse to why they should not be...don't give me academics, are they that different than DC, Bluffton, or Manchester??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 04, 2009, 12:53:52 PM
exactly, 70... twice in 10 years was about what I was thinking...

Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 04, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
are they that different than DC, Bluffton, or Manchester??


or MSJ???  MSJ is no better than Thomas More, no matter how much that old hag president in Delhi wants to think they are.  Fact of the matter is Thomas More didn't use bonds to fund their stadium, so I know Thomas More is in better shape financially.

and yes I wanted you to come back and post.  

Bengals have reported already... and Hard Knocks starts next week.  Its football season!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on August 04, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
I think Earlham would be a great fit for the HCAC.  I also thought it was stupid to let Thomas More go to the PAC instead of the HCAC back in the day.  My guess is that if Earlham leaves the NCAC to join the HCAC that Depauw would be the logical choice to replace them in the NCAC.  I also ponder the whole future of the NAIA and schools like Taylor (IN).  I would think Taylor would be a good fit for NCAA DIII while St. Francis (IN) might consider a jump to NCAA DII.  Taylor (IN) would be a great choice for the HCAC and have obvious history with most if not all of the schools in the HCAC.  Of course the Indiana schools could reform the ICAC and leave the Ohio schools to fend for themselves if Taylor, St. Francis and Earlham would all like to be in a conference together with the existing Indiana schools.  If Depauw goes to the NCAC to replace Earlham it could start a domino effect and maybe there could be a Ohio-Kentucky Conference with Defiance, Bluffton, Mt. St. Joseph, Thomas More, Transylvania and Centre as the core.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 04, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
Okay, 70_dc_alum - you caught onto SaintsFan and my "conspiracy" to get you to return to posting with us and your other friends here after your temporary hiatus! ;D ::) :)  Good to hear from you.  Now before you go chastizing me friend, let me explain (and reiterate :D) that I meant no disrespect to your Defiance.  My point was just trying to suggest that Earlham might have a chance at doing a little better in the HCAC with some of the schools that have had a "down year" or two of recent.  I was not trying to lump DC in the bottom half; okay, you are indeed correct that 3rd place in the league is no slouch accomplishment.  And while Defiance will probably almost always (never say "never" and never say "always" and sometimes you might be right" ;D ;D ;) pummel Earlham, I was just trying to say again that in those down years or so with some teams, Earlham might have a better chance at beginning to improve their program a bit.  Week in and week out, they would most likely struggle for the first few years even in the HCAC.  Anyway, perhaps my scenario is flawed, but I think that both you and I have to admit that both the HCAC and MIAA have not been good fb conferences as compared to others and including the NCAC in recent years.  My apologies if I offended you, but that was not my intention at all.  Just trying to discuss the overall situation.  Then again, as I get older, perhaps I'm becoming blind(er) and dumb(er) ;D ;) 

All that being said, thanks for doing the research on the stats you presented.  Very interesting.  I think also that Defiance will do better this year - what's your early prediction?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 04, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: WashU33Fan on August 04, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
I think Earlham would be a great fit for the HCAC.  I also thought it was stupid to let Thomas More go to the PAC instead of the HCAC back in the day.  My guess is that if Earlham leaves the NCAC to join the HCAC that Depauw would be the logical choice to replace them in the NCAC.  I also ponder the whole future of the NAIA and schools like Taylor (IN).  I would think Taylor would be a good fit for NCAA DIII while St. Francis (IN) might consider a jump to NCAA DII.  Taylor (IN) would be a great choice for the HCAC and have obvious history with most if not all of the schools in the HCAC.  Of course the Indiana schools could reform the ICAC and leave the Ohio schools to fend for themselves if Taylor, St. Francis and Earlham would all like to be in a conference together with the existing Indiana schools.  If Depauw goes to the NCAC to replace Earlham it could start a domino effect and maybe there could be a Ohio-Kentucky Conference with Defiance, Bluffton, Mt. St. Joseph, Thomas More, Transylvania and Centre as the core.

Some good thoughts and comments there WashU33Fan.  I've always thought the same about Taylor as well.  The only aspect I might disagree with you on is that I think St. Francis would not be so inclined to go DIII.  From what I know about them and hearing some general comments over the years about their program (which is admittedly little), I tend to think they want to continue being in their present type of situation.  I could be way off base, however.  Anyway, as I've mentioned in other posts, it will be very interesting to see how all these conference changes eventually play out in the near future according to what has been "reported" in the general media, "rumor mill" and other sources.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 05, 2009, 11:24:08 AM
HCAC related questions (Pre-Season version):

1.  Will DC find a qb who doesn't throw underhanded??  They have good years when they have a decent QB

2.  Who replaces Rupp at Franklin?  post-Rupp Grizzlies will be tested early.

3.  QB situation at MSJ is also unsettled.  Who's the man in Delhi? 

4.  Is this the year Hanover gets back to mediocrity??

5. who from the bottom of the pack will surprise this season??


Thats about it. 

I really believe the HCAC is a one-bid conference in 2009... despite the OAC having no clear 2nd place team to follow MUC (which means a pool C spot COULD be open again, like two years ago)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 05, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
Remember, joining a conference isn't just limited to the football program (i.e. Transylvania joining the HCAC) but football is the most popular and biggest money making sport...even in D3. I don't know how good the other Earlham's sports programs are, but from a football standpoint, if Wabash is an option as D3DB had stated, I'd fight like hell for them. Before the HCAC was called the HCAC it was a different league and Wabash, Hanover, MSJ, and some other HCAC teams (and Wilmington I think) were together before that league split. Wabash joined the NCAC and Wilmington went to the OAC. Bring back Wabash and the HCAC would instantly be a top tier conference with Wabash as the headliner and Franklin (who did win a playoff game) as a back up. If Hanover can become the Hanover of the late 90's and early 00's again...the HCAC would be one of the better conferences in the country (I'm mentioning it because I think its very possible). MSJ has shown they are no slouch either and can win. Prior to last year they had a regular season record of 37-3 from 2004-2007....and competed with Wabash for 3.5 quarters in the 2007 playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2009, 05:40:42 PM
Wabash doesn't make the NCAC a top-tier conference with Wittenberg. It would make the HCAC a mid-level conference, more likely, in football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 06, 2009, 08:41:36 AM
agree with Pat  would make us a lot better but not top tier.  look at the preseason top 25.  we got some representation i was saying to myself wow Franklin was listed and at 19...i was expecting to see them in the others receiving votes category.

D3DB no worries i knew i could mess with you :)  DC is known for beatinig the top teams and loosing to Bluffton to keep bluffton from going 0-10

SaintsFan you nailed it.  if the DC QB play matures they will be much improved as a team.  Franklin is the team to watch with a good nucleus of players but how do they recover the production that graduated, it is not just rupp.  a lot of the skill guys around him are gone too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2009, 11:16:24 PM
Ah, I smell football coming back!  Let's hope DC's squad worked hard in the off season & their QB situation is settled by week 1! 
In regards to Earlam or TMC, let them both be a great addition to the HCAC.  Both would bring great things to the conference.  Then they could split the conference into two leagues & have an overall championship game like the SEC, MAC, & others. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2009, 07:59:42 AM
Maybe not immediately, but if Franklin keeps up their success, MSJ rebounds, Hanover starts to become the Hanover of the late 90's/early 00's (which according to Kevin, the entrance standards are a lot more reasonable), and another team steps up...the addition of Wabash would make the HCAC a helluva conference. I understand this scenario is based on team's prior successes and a lot of what ifs. Will MSJ be like they were from 2004-2007...who knows. Will Hanover ever be like they were in the late 90's...who knows (considering Hanover's history, I'd almost guarentee that they will bounce back and soon). BUT, if it were to happen, that 4-some of Franklin, Wabash, MSJ, and Hanover would make the HCAC the 8th or 9th best conference in D3. Compared with 20th or so now.

ASC, OAC, CCIW, SCAC, WIAC, NJAC, and possibly the PAC would be better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2009, 08:59:32 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2009, 07:59:42 AM
Maybe not immediately, but if Franklin keeps up their success, MSJ rebounds, Hanover starts to become the Hanover of the late 90's/early 00's (which according to Kevin, the entrance standards are a lot more reasonable), and another team steps up...the addition of Wabash would make the HCAC a helluva conference. I understand this scenario is based on team's prior successes and a lot of what ifs. Will MSJ be like they were from 2004-2007...who knows. Will Hanover ever be like they were in the late 90's...who knows (considering Hanover's history, I'd almost guarentee that they will bounce back and soon). BUT, if it were to happen, that 4-some of Franklin, Wabash, MSJ, and Hanover would make the HCAC the 8th or 9th best conference in D3. Compared with 20th or so now.

ASC, OAC, CCIW, SCAC, WIAC, NJAC, and possibly the PAC would be better in my opinion.


the PAC, with W&J in it, will always be better than the HCAC, IMO.  I've seen both league's teams play
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 10, 2009, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2009, 08:59:32 AM

the PAC, with W&J in it, will always be better than the HCAC, IMO.  I've seen both league's teams play

Dont you mean TMC?  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2009, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 10, 2009, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2009, 08:59:32 AM

the PAC, with W&J in it, will always be better than the HCAC, IMO.  I've seen both league's teams play

Dont you mean TMC?  ;D

no sir.  W&J.  One day TMC will be mentioned with that... but W&J is about 25 years in on their run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 11, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
I became curious about the what teams records have been since 2000 when DC entered the conference.  Then I added 2009's preseason poll & what each teams non conference games combined record from last year. 
Since 2000 Records
Overall           Conference                     Preseason Poll 2009 (1st place votes)  Nonconf teams 08 records
MSJ 55-39     HC 37-20                         FC 61.5 (5.5)                                      FC 21-9
FC   50-44     MSJ 35-22 (5-4 vs FC)      MSJ 50 (1)                                          MSJ 24-17 (4 non conf games)
HC  49-44      FC 35-22 (4-5 vs MSJ)     RH  47.5 (1.5)                                     RH 11-19
AC  47-43      DC 31-26 (6-3 vs AC)       AC  39                                                AC 14-16
DC  45-46      AC 31-26 (3-6 vs DC)      MC  30                                                MC 16-15
BC  30-60      BC 18-39                         DC  28                                                DC 21-10
MC  20-70      MC 10-47                        HC  19                                                HC 18-13
RH* 20-10     RH* 12-9                         BC  13                                                BC 15-15
*RH obviously entered in 2006
Other than Hanover & Manchester the preseason poll almost seems consistent with the past 9 seasons. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 11, 2009, 10:11:35 PM
I just mailed out some recruiting info sheets to Defiance and RHIT earlier this week. I hope MSJ bounces back. Last year was the first year since 2001 that they lost more than 2 conference games. I don't know what they have but last year they were a play of two from winning 2-3 extra games. I think an 8-2/9-1 season isn't out of the question by any means. I know nothing of FC and I think TMC may be a little better right now. If they beat FC, they could walk into the Bridge Bowl at 9-0. RHIT has to show me a little more.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 12, 2009, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 11, 2009, 10:11:35 PM
I just mailed out some recruiting info sheets to Defiance and RHIT earlier this week. I hope MSJ bounces back. Last year was the first year since 2001 that they lost more than 2 conference games. I don't know what they have but last year they were a play of two from winning 2-3 extra games. I think an 8-2/9-1 season isn't out of the question by any means. I know nothing of FC and I think TMC may be a little better right now. If they beat FC, they could walk into the Bridge Bowl at 9-0. RHIT has to show me a little more.

its all proven on the field.  I can't wait to attend the Bridge Bowl at the junk-bond funded stadium in Delhi. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2009, 11:14:18 AM
SaintsFan i think those are known as high yield bonds (you know that can yield a high return on investment...kind of like a mortgage backed security).  would not want people to get the wrong impression -- Signed, Wall Street


was looking at the HCAC preseason poll and while the top is easy i was actually a little suprised to see how low DC got ranked with Andy and Manchester picked to finish above them.  i would think this adds a little motivation for the DC team...it is not like they lost a bunch of all americans from last years team that held there own in conference play.  what do i know i am just a fat bastard in southern ohio!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 12, 2009, 06:41:46 PM
I just saw the D3 and HCAC pre-season polls.  While i haven't asked around, I can honestly say I have no clue who is going to QB this season and how well they might do.  The primary backup last year looked ok but only really played in the 4th quarter and ran the clock.  He is quick but no one has really seen him throw and he is bit on the small side.

FC is going to be tested right out of the gate with Baldwin-Wallace on the road.  While the OAC posters are not giving BW a lot of love, they do have a 4 year starter at QB and 28 returning lettermen.  FC struggled some with them last year in Franklin.

If I had to predict only using what I know on paper FC may come up short at BW. (not clear on how good Butler and Trine are for games 2 and 3).  I still think FC can and should win the HCAC as they mature over the season.  The O line is a wall so maybe FC will run the ball more.  No one knows how the defense will look.  On the bright side Leonard has kids who haven't played a lot who will step up.

Regardless, I am excited to see the season drawing near.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2009, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 12, 2009, 06:41:46 PM
I just saw the D3 and HCAC pre-season polls.  While i haven't asked around, I can honestly say I have no clue who is going to QB this season and how well they might do.  The primary backup last year looked ok but only really played in the 4th quarter and ran the clock.  He is quick but no one has really seen him throw and he is bit on the small side.

FC is going to be tested right out of the gate with Baldwin-Wallace on the road.  While the OAC posters are not giving BW a lot of love, they do have a 4 year starter at QB and 28 returning lettermen.  FC struggled some with them last year in Franklin.

If I had to predict only using what I know on paper FC may come up short at BW. (not clear on how good Butler and Trine are for games 2 and 3).  I still think FC can and should win the HCAC as they mature over the season.  The O line is a wall so maybe FC will run the ball more.  No one knows how the defense will look.  On the bright side Leonard has kids who haven't played a lot who will step up.

Regardless, I am excited to see the season drawing near.


If MSJ can find a signal caller, they will win the HCAC in 2009.  They have alot returning experience-wise.  I think experience will win this conference in 2009.  If Franklin tries the running attack this year they will play right into the hands of both Defiance and Mount St Joe, who will beat them because their defenses will stop the run.  The advantage Franklin has is they run the offense that Hanover dominated the HCAC with under C. Wayne Perry. 

Also.... Trine is picked 2nd in the MIAA to follow up their playoff season of 2008. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on August 13, 2009, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2009, 11:45:26 AM

Also.... Trine is picked 2nd in the MIAA to follow up their playoff season of 2008. 

Trine is picked first.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2009, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on August 13, 2009, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2009, 11:45:26 AM

Also.... Trine is picked 2nd in the MIAA to follow up their playoff season of 2008. 

Trine is picked first.

I stand corrected. 


Trine will be a better test for Franklin than Baldwin Wallace will be...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 14, 2009, 04:32:13 PM
This will be the HCAC's 11th year of existence and looking back through some of the old All-Conference member's, I thought it would be cool to put out a HCAC All-Decade Team (from 1999-2008). If you all think this is dumb, then whatever...but I'll start off by listing some offensive members from MSJ and their positions as well as the QBs and who knows...after a couple days, weeks, whatever, we could put together a solid thing here.

Overall, I think the 3 QB's on this team should be Rupp (Franklin), Dietz (Hanover), and Steele (Anderson) in that order. The reason why I put Rupp first is simple...FC won playoff games. Dietz is ahead of Steele simply because of his success after college. Their numbers while in college are too close to call so I needed something.

MSJ Players:

Doug Anderson (RB), Mike Lovell (RB)
Andy Wellendorf (WR)
Steve Wergers (OL), Chris Haefertepen (OL), Adam Sayer (OL) - I do think the other 2 are better than I was but I think I was pretty damn good too :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 14, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
Alright...I decided to research this a little (in terms of OLinemen):

There have been 2 people in HCAC history who have been 4 x HCAC selections. They are Sam Weaver (Anderson - 3 1st teams, 1 Hon. Men.) and Spencer Fulk (Manchester- 2 2nd teams and 2 Hon. Men.).

There is only 1 O-lineman in HCAC history who was a Honorable Mention, 2nd Team, and 1st Team honoree and he is Ben Haas (Defiance).

There have been 31 people who have been named All-HCAC 2 or more times. Of those 31, only 11 have been named All-HCAC 3 or more times.

I gave a point value to each award (1st team is worth 3 points, 2nd team is worth 2 points and Honorable Mention is worth 1 point). The maximum number of points any person could receive would be 12 (4-1st Team HCAC selections). Here is what I got from least to greatest

1. Sam Weaver (Anderson) - 10 points
T-2. Ben McKenney (Franklin) - 9 points
      Pete Needler (Anderson)
T-4. Kevin Baumann (Defiance) - 8 points
      Andrew Prater (Anderson)
      Chris Hafertepen (MSJ)
T-7. Brian Kmitta (Anderson) - 7 points
      Adam Sayer (MSJ)
T-9. Steve Wergers (MSJ) - 6 points
      Ben Haas (Defiance)
       Spencer Fulk (Manchester)
      Seth Quals (Franklin)

Others (People with 5 points): Clint Fox (Bluffton), Rick Orr (Bluffton), Chad Corbin (MSJ), Josh Smith (Hanover), Vaughn Blackburn (Hanover), James Fay (Bluffton), Chad Schenkle (Franklin)
     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 15, 2009, 10:56:35 AM
who is that Adam Sayer guy??  Never heard of him...

you can't forget:

Will Castleberry RB
Nick Rice LB
Mike Strassel OG

they were on Thomas More's HCAC Championship teams in 2000 and 2001
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 15, 2009, 09:47:31 PM
with kevin bauman you also have to consider when he started as a freshman DC was still in the MIAA!! So that 8pts was only with 3 of his 4 yrs in HCAC. If you look at defense it has to start with Nate Schaublin of DC.

I think they did do some sort of an all decade thing but it might have been best of all sports. Schaublin was telling me about some banquet he went to a year or so ago
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 16, 2009, 07:58:29 AM
Fill it in....

First Team

QB's
Chad Rupp (Franklin)


HB?
Mike Lovell (MSJ)
Tyson Goings (Bluffton)???


WR/TE?
Andy Wellendorf (MSJ)


OL
Sam Weaver (Anderson)
Ben McKenney (Franklin)
Pete Needler (Anderson)
Kevin Baumann (Defiance)
Andrew Prater (Anderson)
Chris Hafertepen (MSJ)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 16, 2009, 07:19:23 PM
Dillon from DC could be slotted in the WR/TE category.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on August 17, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
I would include Anthony Weigleb, a center from Hanover in the OL list.  He's the only OL from the HCAC to be named to the AFCA All-American team.  That was during the 1999 season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 17, 2009, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: tricksnaps56 on August 17, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
I would include Anthony Weigleb, a center from Hanover in the OL list.  He's the only OL from the HCAC to be named to the AFCA All-American team.  That was during the 1999 season.

trick --- sorry to hear about your father.  He was a good man.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on August 17, 2009, 01:13:37 PM
Quotetrick --- sorry to hear about your father.  He was a good man.

Thanks SaintsFAN, your sympathy is appreciated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 18, 2009, 07:34:05 PM
I will be joining this board now as I have a new reason to follow the HCAC. I have been following D3 football since 1998. I have had 2 sons play in D3. One at Bethel in Minn. and the other with Wabash College. I will be following Anderson University more specifically as well as the HCAC in that my son is now coaching there.

Anderson has added 3 new coaches this year that may have an impact I believe...

Justin Rummel - Quarterbacks

Denny Kimmel - Running Backs

Andrew Rode - Wide Receivers

The only teams I have seen play have been when Wabash played Franklin twice and when Wabash played Mt. St. Joe...Franklin was really well coached and Chad Rupp...well...for Anderson's sake am glad he has graduated he was quite a player...

I look forward to interacting with you on this board.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on August 18, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
DOBWarrior -

Congrats to Andrew.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on August 19, 2009, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on August 18, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
DOBWarrior -

Congrats to Andrew.   
I second the motion Dad. Andrew should do well with the exposure he has had to the Coach Creighton passing game. Best of luck--try to beat Dpu on Sep 12!!                                                                                     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 20, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Greetings to all my d3board brothers from hurricane alley. I'm sad to hear that the local radio affiliate in Defiance won't be broadcasting any more games - football or any other kind. Maybe this is old news to some of you but I just heard it a few days ago. WTF? I guess the only way I can listen to a DC game now is when they're away and then catch the play-by-play from those hometown radio stations, which I can only assume will be somewhat biased in favor of the locals. Ya think?

I saw the HCAC rankings and I gotta think DC is better than that. But nothing like a biotch slap by the critics to put a little fire in one's belly and a little steel in one's spine.

What's the betting money on the QB situation there this year? I was hoping to go to the DC roster and see a surprise at that slot but I guess we'll have to hope that one of the two returning QBs from last year will be able to step up this year and pleasantly surprise us.

Don't ask me why but my money's on RHIT and Franklin being the ring contenders this year. Adam Sayer will of course disagree but I think MSJ will come in third place this year. But hell, what do I know?

Anyhow, to all my bulletin board buds out there, I hope everyone's as excited to see college and high school football season rolling around as I am and I hope all of you are together and in one piece and not missing any significant parts since we last talked. I was sort of out of the loop most of last season and the winter because an old shoulder injury flared up again and after months of physical therapy and cortisone shots, I ended up having reconstructive surgery on it. For the second time. Let's see, that's twice on the right shoulder and once on the left shoulder. Anyone out there beat 3 of a kind?

Bob, I'm still waiting for that Velvet Underground album. My collection of albums now fills an entire room and I'm having build additional shelves for more.

Hark now hear the sailors cry. Smell the sea and feel the sky. Let your soul and spirit fly into the mystic.

Yo-ho, yo-ho a pirate's life for me,

JacketsFan
Florida


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 20, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
Wab64 ... Were you at Hill 937?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 20, 2009, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: wab64 on August 19, 2009, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on August 18, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
DOBWarrior -

Congrats to Andrew.   
I second the motion Dad. Andrew should do well with the exposure he has had to the Coach Creighton passing game. Best of luck--try to beat Dpu on Sep 12!!                                                                                     

Wab64

Thanks again for your interest in Andrew's life and career...You are so right about CC but frankly as much as we both hated seeing CC leave their were gifts Andrew got from watching a great Man leave in a proper way etc as well as seeing how a new coach came in with all new offense defense etc and he got to watch it up close and experience what that is like for a player to go through...all good for him in the long run in his own coaching career...

Any chance of makin that Bell game this year?...or am I going to have to hunt you down someday in the Up North kind of way?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on August 20, 2009, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on August 20, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
Wab64 ... Were you at Hill 937?
Sorry, or I should say fortunately, I wasn't. I was a forward artillery observer in the 11th LIB, Americal Division around Chu Lai, sep69 to sep70. Thanks for remembering. Wab64
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 21, 2009, 07:50:33 AM
Christ in a Mopbucket, Joe - thought you'd morphed into grandpappy mode and abandoned us for dottering and/or neonate drooling.  Was just reorganizing a bunch of vinyl this week while the Dragon rescues sub-saharans from the ravages of wanton relations in Windhoek and "Up in the Country" for a few months. 

Available for parties and entertainment until 25 Oct when expected to return to submissive husband mode.  Other blankety-blanks will be filled in via email. Slainte! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on August 21, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
JacketsFan

Help maybe on the way concerning DC games being broadcast. Stay tuned.

The QB situation seems to be the question every year for the Jackets. I don't know what to expect. Powell was solid as a true freshman. He's very small at 5-7 but I like the way he competes. He's got a lot of moxy. Lew Caralla is graduated so Kuesel's going to be the bellcow in the backfield. He ran tough a year ago as a rookie and I believe 4 of the 5 guys in the trenches are back. I'm hearing a freshman will likely be option No. 2 behind Kuesel. Most of DC's skill guys are experienced having played plenty as freshmen, but they are still young.

You and I have talked a lot about RHIT this offseason. I think they'll be in the fracas along with Franklin and the Mount.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 21, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
Cave you know Jacketsfan forgets his login in the offseason!!  Joe good to see you back.

Here is to Chad Ochocinco the kicking macine
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 22, 2009, 08:02:34 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 21, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
Cave you know Jacketsfan forgets his login in the offseason!!

You've got that right, 70s. 

When a dinosaur starts quoting Van Morrison lyrics, it's either flashbacks of "Them" or a ride on the Percocet express after a roto-rooter/ strut replacement on one of the limbs.  Shockingly simplistic for a Mutha's fan and purveyor of prose.  ;)

At least Joe offered probable cause and didn't lapse into Tupelo Honey.  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 23, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Yo honor, I plead guilty to forgetting my password in the offseason. But may I say to this honorable court, Yo honor, that Brother Bob up there in the gallery has it all wrong when he suggests that I must be stoned on some potion I found upon the wall of some unholy bathroom in some ungodly hall just because I love Van the Man and the belated Frank Zappa - a truly great American - with the same heart. While it may be true that from time to time this past season, I was the board's MVP (More Vicodin Please), never has my feeble, inbred Southern mind been that this moment.

On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair, warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air ...

Riddle me this one, Batman. What are colitas? Please expound upon its etymology and its slang usage. Where does the word originate? How is it used in Hotel California?

Just had a couple of former D-linemen from DC at my dinner table. I made 4 lbs of fish tacos. There wasn't a nibble left. God I love these guys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 23, 2009, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on August 23, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Just had a couple of former D-linemen from DC at my dinner table. I made 4 lbs of fish tacos. There wasn't a nibble left. God I love these guys.[/i][/i][/i][/i]

Thanks for the invite...I thought we were cool :)

I have never seen a HS team get as injured as we have been before a legit game has been played. We're down the following though a few will be good to go this Friday:

4 WR's, 1 HB, 3 OL (2 are centers), and a TE. All of whom are varsity or back up players. Since most of our kids play both ways, the defense is just as ravaged. It has been rediculous. Almost 30% of our varsity team missed either the whole scrimmage or part of the scrimmage last Friday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 24, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
well now that Camp is over and real games start this week there will be a few "miracle" cures and guys will be back...of course if that is the case you got other problems!!

only 4lbs of fish tacos...they must be losing appetite in their aging
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2009, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 24, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
well now that Camp is over and real games start this week there will be a few "miracle" cures and guys will be back...of course if that is the case you got other problems!!

only 4lbs of fish tacos...they must be losing appetite in their aging

That is the case and they do have MAJOR MAJOR issues, 70.  Like the issue that Hamilton Badin is gonna b!tchslap them....again. 

depends on how contaminated that fish were (and where the fishing was done)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 24, 2009, 07:49:16 PM
I'll be waiting...we ran the ball for over 200 yards last year against the Rams and I'll be gameplaning and tearing that 4-3 defense up again this year with the run game. Hopefully our defense can hold them to around 21 this time :)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: inthecrease on August 24, 2009, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on August 21, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
The QB situation seems to be the question every year for the Jackets. I don't know what to expect. Powell was solid as a true freshman. He's very small at 5-7 but I like the way he competes. He's got a lot of moxy.

I was at their inter-squad scrimmage last saturday and i gotta agree with the fact that qb will be a question mark. In watching it, it brought up the age old question of is the defense really good, or the offense really bad. Powell did have a few nice plays, but they were mainly broken plays where he used his athleticism and might have been ended earlier if the defense could have hit him. The biggest negative for Powell is his size, which is obvious when you watch, because their main strength appears to be a very large offensive line. Powell needs a step ladder in the pocket to go through his reads.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 25, 2009, 09:42:19 AM
inthecrease thanks for the info...reminds me of my junior season in 98 when against Albion our QB who was about 5'7" and was playing like a pud. and he actually asked us in the huddle if we could play on our knees cause he cant see anything. Next play i went to the line and told the D-end followed with we are screwed...he started laughing and agreed.

that was the last he ever played and the next week is when Kevin Kelly started and continued to start the next 3 years
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 25, 2009, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: inthecrease on August 24, 2009, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on August 21, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
The QB situation seems to be the question every year for the Jackets. I don't know what to expect. Powell was solid as a true freshman. He's very small at 5-7 but I like the way he competes. He's got a lot of moxy.

I was at their inter-squad scrimmage last saturday and i gotta agree with the fact that qb will be a question mark. In watching it, it brought up the age old question of is the defense really good, or the offense really bad. Powell did have a few nice plays, but they were mainly broken plays where he used his athleticism and might have been ended earlier if the defense could have hit him. The biggest negative for Powell is his size, which is obvious when you watch, because their main strength appears to be a very large offensive line. Powell needs a step ladder in the pocket to go through his reads.

Looks like another .500 season in Jacketville.  Its a shame with the way Defiance usually plays defense, that they can't seem to find a quarterback... ever. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
I sent Defiance a contact sheet with our QB's name on it. He's a Senior and this is his first year getting any significant varsity playing time. He asks a lot of questions and retains a lot of info and has reached the point where he realizes what he did when he makes a mistake. With a little work, he could be a solid compliment to a run-first offense in college by his Junior and Senior year. He needs to experience the fire a little more, but he's made some very good throws so far (I'm actually a little suprised by him), but some very bad ones too. Again, with a little work, he could be pretty solid within 20 yards. He doesn't have great arm strength to really stretch the field.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2009, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
I sent Defiance a contact sheet with our QB's name on it. He's a Senior and this is his first year getting any significant varsity playing time. He asks a lot of questions and retains a lot of info and has reached the point where he realizes what he did when he makes a mistake. With a little work, he could be a solid compliment to a run-first offense in college by his Junior and Senior year. He needs to experience the fire a little more, but he's made some very good throws so far (I'm actually a little suprised by him), but some very bad ones too. Again, with a little work, he could be pretty solid within 20 yards. He doesn't have great arm strength to really stretch the field.

Should fit in well up North.... good find, Sayer.  I say 70 and has_been owe you a beer and Taylor may owe you a position
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 26, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
To all Franklin followers...looking forward to checking out the DPU-Griz scrimmage Saturday afternoon at Red Faught Stadium. Any insight into the post-Chad Rupp era at Franklin? Any players to watch for?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 26, 2009, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 26, 2009, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
I sent Defiance a contact sheet with our QB's name on it. He's a Senior and this is his first year getting any significant varsity playing time. He asks a lot of questions and retains a lot of info and has reached the point where he realizes what he did when he makes a mistake. With a little work, he could be a solid compliment to a run-first offense in college by his Junior and Senior year. He needs to experience the fire a little more, but he's made some very good throws so far (I'm actually a little suprised by him), but some very bad ones too. Again, with a little work, he could be pretty solid within 20 yards. He doesn't have great arm strength to really stretch the field.

Should fit in well up North.... good find, Sayer.  I say 70 and has_been owe you a beer and Taylor may owe you a position

Hold up Kev, we'll have to see if he does anything first.  That sounds like every QB coming into DIII ball.  If he could stretch the field he would be considering DII.
DC QB issue for this year should be that they stick with Powell from last year till someone proves to be better than him. He didn't take over full time QB duties till the Trine game, so he was 4-4 as a freshman.  He did fairly well & can only hope that experience will help him going into this year.  In regards to his height I'll send him some inserts to give him an extra 2".   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 26, 2009, 10:04:41 PM
Adam, we thought about you while scarfing down that fish. Too bad Adam Sayer ain't here to eat some of these mighty fine fish tacos, someone said. Come on down, boy. You know where my crib is. You don't need an invite, just bring your seasick arse on down.

BTW, I serve nothing but the finest fish tacos made with the freshest fish and basted in my secret recipe. It's so good and good fer ya that it the Defiance's QB would come down here and let me feed him a platter or two, he'd go back to Ohio built like Hercules and throwing the ball like Peyton Manning. And for all you naysayers, that 4 pounds of fish tacos didn't include the big pot of rice another big pot of black beans and a big salad bowl full of my homemade pico de gallo. I was pretty impressed, seeing as how it was only two former D-linemen doing the eating.

I'm not sold on this kid at QB for Defiance. Pluck and cheek will only get you so far. Why oh why can't they seem to find a good QB to play there. If you put a solid offense on the field with the defense they have, even on a bad season, you'd have yourselves a competitive college football team. I mean, if they can attract kids like Luke Dillon, why can't they find themselves a QB of the same quality. If I was going into my freshman or sophomore year knowing that I had the stuff but wasn't going to get much pt because of the depth chart or having a stud QB in front of me the next couple of years, I'd be tempted to look at a school like DC and say to myself, hmmm, all they're really lacking here is a good signal caller and I know the D can keep the bad guys off the field long enough to keep me fresh between rounds. I mean, WTF? Anyone have any ideas. Coach T has managed since he's been head coach to field a pretty consistently mean defense. Why can't he find a QB.

By the way, the QB at DePauw's name is Spud Dick. How's that for a handle?

... There were crowds of people sitting on the grass with flowers in their hair ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 26, 2009, 10:18:17 PM
That kid must have hated life when he was growing up.

I'm looking for things to do next summer aside from our posponed honeymoon. I may stop down and visit the uncle for a week and if I do, I'll drive the extra 45 minutes again. My mom called me the other day and asked if I had used my new fishing poles...her wedding present to my wife and I...Yes, my mom is a redneck :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 26, 2009, 10:57:44 PM
No, Adam. I've met yo mama and she most definitely ain't a redneck. She didn't drink any beer that day we went fishing on my boat. She didn't fart - at least not that I heard. She didn't burp. She didn't cuss and she didn't start every sentence with "Hey, y'all. This ain't no sh*t." She also wasn't packing heat and I don't remember seeing a gun rack visible in the vehicle nor a "Charlton Heston is my President" decal on the bumper or rear windshield. Your mama just likes to fish, that's all. Next time your down here, I'll drive you through an area where there are some real redneck women.


Drop down mama let your boss man see, if you can howl just like a dog for me.
Black leather is my favorite game and you will learn how to scream my name ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 28, 2009, 02:27:37 PM
I guess I really don't know what a redneck woman is...I will be in for a treat :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 28, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Hello friends,

I just wanted to mention that Hope College in the MIAA is celebrating it's 100th season of football this year.  You might enjoy checking out that special link on their athletic website.  Some great stories, facts and new research info unveiled regarding its football history.  I enjoy those aspects of all the DIII schools.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 29, 2009, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 26, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
To all Franklin followers...looking forward to checking out the DPU-Griz scrimmage Saturday afternoon at Red Faught Stadium. Any insight into the post-Chad Rupp era at Franklin? Any players to watch for?

FC is going to go with both backups from last year to start out the non-conference.  Each brings different strengths.  #13 (Patricio sp??) is more athletic and can scramble and #10 (Wray) is tall and more or a pocket drop back passer.  Leonard also has 10 other kids out wearing red in practice.  Somebody will emerge.

It will interesting to see how the defense plays against the Tigers today with so many new faces on the line and in the secondary.  The line backers are all back however.

The O-line returns 4 or 5 starters so the new guys will get some time.  I look for some more running plays earlier in the season as the QB's get more ocnfortable and more confidence.  All new receivers as well.

While on paper all the new starters forbodes a rebuilding year, FC may be more of a re-load.  There are a lot of talented kids ready to step up.  Recruiting and coaching is a strong suit at FC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 30, 2009, 10:30:01 AM
Always great to visit Red Faught Stadium. Awesome weather and great crowd on hand for Saturday's scrimmage. Nice to see folks breaking out the grills for some early tailgating... :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 30, 2009, 12:01:23 PM
What was you rtake D3_DPUF??  I thought both teams did really well at times.  Pretty much a draw for the first teams.  FC started out a bit shaky on both sides of the ball but then settled down and played pretty well.  I left encouraged about the conference season as Depauw IMO is probably stronger than anyone in our conference. 

I still think FC has its hands completely full the first three games with Baldwin Wallace, Butler, and Trine.  With all the new starters this year, winning all three of these will be an accomplishment. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 30, 2009, 02:56:47 PM
QuoteWhat was you rtake D3_DPUF??  I thought both teams did really well at times.  Pretty much a draw for the first teams.  FC started out a bit shaky on both sides of the ball but then settled down and played pretty well.  I left encouraged about the conference season as Depauw IMO is probably stronger than anyone in our conference. 

I still think FC has its hands completely full the first three games with Baldwin Wallace, Butler, and Trine.  With all the new starters this year, winning all three of these will be an accomplishment. 

I think both teams did some things well. Always tough to tell a whole lot in these scrimmages. I think once you decide on a QB, Coach Leonard will get the passing game revved up...saw some flashes of that Saturday and it looks as though you should be able to get some run game going as well. As always, development up front will be critical. Thought you guys played with good energy. As for DPU,  I saw lots of good things, on both sides of the ball as well as a few things they'll be working on. 4 offense starters were out for the scrimmage (RB, WR, TE, OT) with minor tweaks and with a very limited play script tough to tell too much...but the offense has lots of experienced players who should continue to make plays...and I think folks will be impressed by the athleticism of the DePauw defense...LB's and DB's can get to the ball pretty quickly...and will really bring the wood...we'll see soon!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2009, 09:38:33 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 28, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Hello friends,

I just wanted to mention that Hope College in the MIAA is celebrating it's 100th season of football this year.  You might enjoy checking out that special link on their athletic website.  Some great stories, facts and new research info unveiled regarding its football history.  I enjoy those aspects of all the DIII schools.  Thanks.


I love history of programs, formerd3db.  We didn't have much history before I started going to Thomas More (5 years) so its always cool to look back on that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 31, 2009, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 28, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Hello friends,

I just wanted to mention that Hope College in the MIAA is celebrating it's 100th season of football this year.  You might enjoy checking out that special link on their athletic website.  Some great stories, facts and new research info unveiled regarding its football history.  I enjoy those aspects of all the DIII schools.  Thanks.


Thanks for the info...I just dropped my daughter off at Hope over the weekend. I will check it out. Did you attend Hope?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mugsy on September 01, 2009, 12:56:03 AM
Posted CCIW Pick-em's Contest rules and week #1 games.  All are welcome to participate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2009, 01:52:09 PM
HCAC Pick 'ems are posted - all are welcome to play.

Note - Trine/Manchester and Anderson/Taylor play this Thursday night at 7:00, so get your picks in before then.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 01, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
I had an old coach tell me last night, "You can only coach who shows up." It didn't make me feel any better. We're down 3 orginal starters on offense due to injuries and a 4th is playing with a bad right shoulder. I had to move him to right guard so his inside arm would be his left arm. We have 2 back ups who are out as well and have had 2 terrible days of practice this week....I really don't know how people can do this sh!t for 30, 40, 50+ years. I'm gonna be dead by the time I reach 40. In 10 years of playing football from junior high on through MSJ, I only had 1 losing season as a starter and that was our 0-10 at MSJ in 2001. Even the BS with the Marshal's and the Semi-Pro team after college, both teams finished with a winning record. I don't know how people can deal with this losing stuff. It is killing me and I'm not exagerating.

Word around is MSJ's new QB has looked very good. All I know is hearsay, but the initial reviews have been pretty good. I'm looking forward to the guys being able to right the ship this year.

BTW, TMC had a nice write up in the Enquirer today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2009, 08:40:40 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 01, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
I had an old coach tell me last night, "You can only coach who shows up." It didn't make me feel any better. We're down 3 orginal starters on offense due to injuries and a 4th is playing with a bad right shoulder. I had to move him to right guard so his inside arm would be his left arm. We have 2 back ups who are out as well and have had 2 terrible days of practice this week....I really don't know how people can do this sh!t for 30, 40, 50+ years. I'm gonna be dead by the time I reach 40. In 10 years of playing football from junior high on through MSJ, I only had 1 losing season as a starter and that was our 0-10 at MSJ in 2001. Even the BS with the Marshal's and the Semi-Pro team after college, both teams finished with a winning record. I don't know how people can deal with this losing stuff. It is killing me and I'm not exagerating.

Word around is MSJ's new QB has looked very good. All I know is hearsay, but the initial reviews have been pretty good. I'm looking forward to the guys being able to right the ship this year.

BTW, TMC had a nice write up in the Enquirer today.

Who is MSJ's QB?? 

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I told you to get the fukk out of that place last year.  Its not like that at every school. 

Did JP come to Purcell?  I also heard you guys are changin offenses after week 1.  wow
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2009, 12:59:33 PM
He wasn't able to come help. It would have been nice...we have a kicker with a live leg.

We're not changing our offense. Whenever we ran the proper play against Walnut, we had a lot of success. The problem was we fumbled 4-5 snaps and the QB ran the wrong play another 4-5 times. We averaged almost 5.5 yards on 1st down (aside from fumbled snaps and the wrong playcall). We are changing our approach. Instead of a lot of 'I'  we are spreading it out again...which we've always been a spread team, just went to the 'I' due to injuries to WR early in the year. We had to be innovative considering our starting center is 5'9" 155 pounds this week and I have another starter who is banged up.

I don't know the QB's name, just that he is a transfer from Miami (OH). Word is he's looked pretty good during his brief time at MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2009, 12:59:33 PM
He wasn't able to come help. It would have been nice...we have a kicker with a live leg.

We're not changing our offense. Whenever we ran the proper play against Walnut, we had a lot of success. The problem was we fumbled 4-5 snaps and the QB ran the wrong play another 4-5 times. We averaged almost 5.5 yards on 1st down (aside from fumbled snaps and the wrong playcall). We are changing our approach. Instead of a lot of 'I'  we are spreading it out again...which we've always been a spread team, just went to the 'I' due to injuries to WR early in the year. We had to be innovative considering our starting center is 5'9" 155 pounds this week and I have another starter who is banged up.

I don't know the QB's name, just that he is a transfer from Miami (OH). Word is he's looked pretty good during his brief time at MSJ.

oh wait... i heard that... he was at Georgetown College also, right?  Good... sounds like MSJ could be better.  You know who else played at 3 schools right?   

I'd say they are HCAC Favorites if he doesn't Rashon the team during the season
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2009, 07:14:23 PM
Actually, Rashon was at 4 schools. MSJ, MacMurray, and the last was UMHB (where I think he lasted about 1 week). He was somewhere before MSJ but I don't know where.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 03, 2009, 11:51:58 AM
How about Florida being a 73 point favorite in that game...If I were a man who knew where to put $10,000 on a game, I would bet on that game. When was the last time a DI team put up 73 points? Or even better, when was the last time a DI team won a game by 73 points?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2009, 11:55:26 AM
starting center is 5'9" 155 pounds??

why spread...PTR with that beef
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 03, 2009, 01:00:15 PM
As we all recall, in 1916 Georgia Tech defeated Cumberland 222-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2009, 07:29:54 PM
You're a homer, Adam.  He was on his second school as you said while at MSJ.  This cat is on his third. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2009, 07:32:24 PM
And btw I'm right there with you.  I called my connection right after I saw that and confirmed.. He had it at 71.. I still took it for 5 bills.  Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 04, 2009, 07:42:40 AM
I saw the recap from the manchester trine game.  is manchester that much improved this yer or did trine just come out flat and playing like crap?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 04, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
DC season preview...nice write-up Lynn.  looks to be a really good defense brewing but can DC score enough to win.

http://www.crescent-news.com/news/simple_article/4659332
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 04, 2009, 10:10:18 AM
dc alum

Thanks for the kind words. The live webcast is a go for Jacket home games this fall. Sounds like it's going to be pretty nice.

Yep, DC defense has plenty of experience but they'll be tested right out of the gate by Muskingum's QB, he's a dual-threat. They only lost one starter on defense but Keith Snyder was a major factor in that defense during his career. 

It'll be interesting to see how healthy the Jackets are Saturday. None sound serious but the skill guys on offense are dinged up. I expect Kuesel to have a big year if he's healthy. Backups are mostly freshmen, but the two rookie running backs in town had monster high school careers. I'm interested in watching them in action.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2009, 07:32:24 PM
And btw I'm right there with you.  I called my connection right after I saw that and confirmed.. He had it at 71.. I still took it for 5 bills.  Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

If only I had a 5-spot to bet, I would...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 04, 2009, 01:30:17 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2009, 07:32:24 PM
And btw I'm right there with you.  I called my connection right after I saw that and confirmed.. He had it at 71.. I still took it for 5 bills.  Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!

If only I had a 5-spot to bet, I would...



Welcome to the married world. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 04, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 04, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
DC season preview...nice write-up Lynn.  looks to be a really good defense brewing but can DC score enough to win.

http://www.crescent-news.com/news/simple_article/4659332

We shall see if the offense can put anything together.  Looking forward to see if DC can win any nonconference games to help get them ready for HCAC action.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 05, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
No angry posts this weekend. My 155 pound center blocked his a$$ off and we played catch-up the whole night...with 40 seconds left we finally caught up and took the lead 24-20. Norwood's HB during the coin toss shook our captain's hands and stated the following, "My name is Bart Scott...it's a great day to be a Norwood Indian." I wondered if he felt the same when he only played a half of football and his team lost.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
Looking forward to a Saturday filled with football & work.  Got the desktop in my office setup for the DC game! 
On a seperate not, I watched Oaks Christian H.S. play last night b/c Joe Montana's son is the QB there & I have to say that kid could throw & run.  It must be nice when you have your dad helping you on the sideline though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2009, 01:00:38 PM
Live Video feed of the DC game is pretty sweet.  Tyrell pryor is lso looking pretty good
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
Not bad 1st half for DC.  Both teams have allowed some big plays 7 turnovers have hurt Muskingum, but DC's D has been playing hardnose football.  DC up 7-0. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Any updates around the league?  I can't get the scoreboard up on D3football & the HCAC site doesn't have any updated scores posted.  I did see RHIT is up big at the half though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 05, 2009, 03:21:12 PM
According to the d3football scoreboard...

Franklin 28, BW 21 at half

TM 7, JCU 7 at half

Defiance 7, Musky 0 start of 3rd
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2009, 04:11:38 PM
big win for DC to start the season...offense could have put them away early but the D held up and played well throughout.

Oline and RB ran the rock well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 05, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Franklin with a nice win on the road: Franklin 38 - Baldwin Wallace 31
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2009, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2009, 04:11:38 PM
big win for DC to start the season...offense could have put them away early but the D held up and played well throughout.

Oline and RB ran the rock well.

Saints with the big win of the day... well, outside of Dean Paul and Ohio Northern.  Thats HUGE for DP... I'm happy for him and his staff.  Honestly... Thomas More EXPECTED to win... we shoulda played better though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 05, 2009, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on September 05, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Franklin with a nice win on the road: Franklin 38 - Baldwin Wallace 31

FC has scored 142 points on the vaunted OAC in the last 3 games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
I'm really impressed with Franklin.  I didn't expect them to put up 38 points with the loss of so much on offense.  I expected the D to do but though.  All in all, Franklin is still representing. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 05, 2009, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on September 05, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Franklin with a nice win on the road: Franklin 38 - Baldwin Wallace 31

FC has scored 142 points on the vaunted OAC in the last 3 games.

its an impressive offensive showing.  The vaunted part = Mount Union though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 06, 2009, 02:27:07 PM
"vaunted" was a tongue in cheek comment.  The  OAC gets an awful lot of love as a result of Mt Union.  The HCAC can currently hold its own against the other teams.  However, Ohio Northern certainly made some noise against current power North Central.

One of the key questions for Franklin was who would be the QB and how well would they be able to play.  FC found a QB (actually two of them).  Right now FC is platooning Ray and Purichia.  Both played well.  The O line was rock solid (HCAC best and played like it was expected to), the D line with all new starters more than held their own.  The receving corps (all new starters) may actually be better over time than the guys that graduated.  IMO, they are bigger and more athletic (all did a great job).  Linebackers are prob the best in the HCAC.  Secondary is the only area where there might be some concern but even those guys got better as the game wore on.

FC was definitely the better team yesterday.  Had this game been played in the latter half of the season, it would probably not be close.  FC clearly demonstrated their depth yesterday as BW ran out of gas in the 4th quarter.  IMO I think it is safe to say that this will not likely be a "rebuilding season" for FC.  Reload appears to be the operative word.

FC has  tougher opponent next week in Butler.  The Bulldogs man handled MIAA Albion yesterday 42-3 in Indianapolis.  Butler's QB was suspended for the Albion game.  No word on his return (I am assuming he will be suited up and ready to go at our place).  The backup set a school passing record so either way the secondary will be tested often.

A loss to Butler wont be as damaging to FC as a win will help them.  Butler is big and very good.  Last years game was a war.  The top teams in the HCAC appear off to a good start.  Another great season of football to be enjoyed for sure
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
Last year that was a team that ran the table in the HCAC against a team that was 5-4 in the OAC. Just keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GoGrizzlies on September 06, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
Great win yesterday for Franklin!  Both offense and defense really stepped up to the plate.  Congratulations Grizzlies!  The rotation on the defense was an awesome change up.   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 06, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
Will be very telling with how the game vs. Butler goes. They are in the process of moving to full scholarship (not sure if 1 or 1aa). From what I saw on miaa board they physically look like they are well on the way to that switch.  Albion has been playing Butler since the early 90's so they would know if there is a shift.

Butler Is going to test the secondary early and often.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 06, 2009, 05:18:21 PM
Gotta love what Mike Leonard's doing at Franklin if you're a Grizz fan. He's an upbeat guy and would be fun to play for and is an offensive guru even without Chad Rupp. He knows how to coach and they have to be the favorite in the league again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 06, 2009, 05:20:06 PM
I think you're right DC_alum   Game will be a good one for FC to prepare for and play in.  IMO Butler will be far and away the toughest team that FC will see during the regular season.   However, we beat them at their place last year so you just never know what will happen.  I see it close and hard fought whoever comes out on top.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 06, 2009, 05:46:27 PM
Remove Mount Union from the OAC, remove the top team from any other conference, and the remainder of the OAC most usually will prevail over the remainder of the other conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 06, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
Using your example Frank:  So you are saying that if you remove FC from the HCAC the remainder of the OAC sans Mt Union would prevail over the rest of the HCAC?  Highly unlikely IMO.  The top 2 maybe but the HCAC is not devoid of talent.  MSJ is a solid team as is RHIT and Defiance is no slouch.

Plus the "any other conference" comment is pretty broad.  I am thinking there are those in the CCIW and the conference WI Whitewater plays in who would beg to differ.  Maybe I am missing your point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2009, 06:15:43 PM
Quote from: frank uible on September 06, 2009, 05:46:27 PM
Remove Mount Union from the OAC, remove the top team from any other conference, and the remainder of the OAC most usually will prevail over the remainder of the other conference.

The bottom of the OAC is about as weak as the bottom of most conferences, but most years (probably not last year) 2-5 would arguably beat 2-5 anywhere else (except probably the WIAC, and perhaps the ASC and CCIW).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 06, 2009, 06:22:28 PM
That prob what Frank meant to say ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GoGrizzlies on September 06, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 06, 2009, 05:18:21 PM
Gotta love what Mike Leonard's doing at Franklin if you're a Grizz fan. He's an upbeat guy and would be fun to play for and is an offensive guru even without Chad Rupp. He knows how to coach and they have to be the favorite in the league again.

Mike Leonard is an INCREDIBLE coach, as is the entire coaching staff.  They are an extremely talented group!   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
After this week, at least the HCAC can say they are 3-0 vs. the OAC.  Also Manchester hung with Trine, the one of the MIAA's favorites. 
Hopefully DC works out some of their issues on offense & controls the TOP & I can see them coming out with a W next week against Adrian.  Adrian has two in a row with a score of 55-9.  DC needs to change that this year! 
The HCAC has some big games this week overall.  DC as I mentioned with Adrian, Franklin battling Butler who destroyed Albion, Anderson with DePauw, who've they lost 3 in a row, Hanover will take on Waynesburg, & the rest I would expect to win, but anything could happen. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2009, 09:01:31 AM
Waynesburg is gonna run the ball down Hanover's throat... and then do it some more. 

Sorry guys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GoGrizzlies on September 07, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 05, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
I'm really impressed with Franklin.  I didn't expect them to put up 38 points with the loss of so much on offense.  I expected the D to do but though.  All in all, Franklin is still representing. 



Just curious what you meant to say about the defense....I think there was a typo in there.... 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2009, 01:41:52 PM
Quote from: GoGrizzlies on September 07, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 05, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
I'm really impressed with Franklin.  I didn't expect them to put up 38 points with the loss of so much on offense.  I expected the D to do but though.  All in all, Franklin is still representing. 



Just curious what you meant to say about the defense....I think there was a typo in there.... 
Yes there was.  I think I meant that I expected Franklin's D to do well though.  I don't know how I fit but in? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 07, 2009, 02:10:27 PM
For some reason, I was unable to log on to the boards yesterday.

First of all, I'd like to say the streaming video feed of the DC/Musky game was sweet. No glitches at all. Even with my six year old computer, when I made it full screen, it was like watching the game on tv. Okay, minus all the tight, close up shots. Nice work, whoever put it together. And thanks to Lynn Groll for the nice pregame write-up and keeping us all abreast of the streaming video developments. And a special thanks to my buddy Lynn, who I got to know when #92 was playing at DC,  for keeping me up to speed down here on what's going on up there. I made all 20 home games the four years #92 was playing at DC and I miss the hell out of the games and the action, as well as all the inside scoop on what's going on at DC. Lynn provides me a much appreciated DC fix from time to time and I can't thank him enough.

Congratulations to the team and to Coach Taylor and the rest of the staff for getting the Jackets off to a winning start. And this against a team that whupped the pants off DC last year. Looks like there are a few bugs still to be worked out but, all in all, a pretty solid looking performance. I think Kuesel and these two frosh rock pounders from Detroit and Toledo are going to make a great combination. I was impressed with Powell's signal calling and playing, especially his coolness under fire, but, in all fairness, I didn't think Karcher did too bad, either. After all, wasn't it he who put the Jackets on the board first? Run defense is gnarly and bloodthirsty, as usual. I thought the pass defense could've been a spot better, but they didn't do a bad job, either. Nice job of avoiding turnovers and keeping the yellow hankies off the turf, too, Coach. These guys showed some pretty good discipline Saturday. They missed a couple of scoring ops but hey, it was game number one and you gotta do an equipment check to see where you need your improvements to be. The O needs to be more aggressive in the red zone and I think that'll come.

Congrats to Da Grizz for the walloping they put on B-W. Talk about a bunch of Maalox moments. How much suspense can a body stand for one game?

Bob W., where you been?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 07, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
You are correct the FC-BW game was an exciting game.  Certainly worth the extra miles and time.  Hard fought game with 4th quarter drama.  BTW Jackets fan:  I appreciate your posts.  Generally they are well thought out and contain some clever comments and references.  Worth reading for sure.

Sounds like DC may have turned the corner from last season and is on the right track.  Nice to see them get a season opening win (and at the expense of the OAC). ;D

I looked at the first four games for Defiance.  Certainly no one can say DC is playing it soft.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 07, 2009, 04:56:43 PM
Thank you, Griz-Backer. I do try to keep things light and humorous in my posts. When I first joined the boards back in, I think it was 2003, there was a whole lot of nasty flinging going on. Every now and them someone comes along who can't play nice with others and generally they get taken to task by someone else - often by someone from the very school they're repping. No, DC definitely isn't playing it soft this year. I'm encouraged by what I see on offense at this point. There seems to be a discipline and purpose and unity on the O that's been missing for a long time. DC missed out on winning the conference my son's junio and senior years because the D had killer instincts and they played together like a bunch of special forces commandos. But the offense sputtered those years and that hurt them. If Saturday's game portends anything to come, I'd say that it shows Coach Taylor has finally succeeded at getting both O and D on the same page. The low penalties and turnovers was super impressive and speaks volumes to me, especially for it having been a first game where you normally expect such things, especially against a team that slapped you around like a playground bully the year before.

Griz, is Franklin going to use a two QB system this year or will one of these guys eventually emerge as the full time signal caller? They both looked pretty good.

Meanwhile, here I sit in this lounge chair on this little piece of beach just south of reality (And if anyone doesn't believe me, ask Sayer; he's been here).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on September 07, 2009, 05:11:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
After this week, at least the HCAC can say they are 3-0 vs. the OAC.
I thought the same thing when I saw the scores.  Good job HCAC!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on September 07, 2009, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 07, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
Sounds like DC may have turned the corner from last season and is on the right track.
Let's not forget, that after starting 0-6 in 2008, the Jackets finished the season 4-6.  I'd like to think that the corner was turned last October.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 07, 2009, 05:20:25 PM
At this point, I would say the 2 QB rotation will continue at least through the next two games.  Both kids played limited minutes their first two seasons and haven't had a lot of opportunities to show Coach Leonard what they can do in a game.  To be honest, there were those in the stands (including myself) questioning the logic at BW due to the importance of winning the non conference games (and the potential playoff implications down the road).  However, as one of my fellow tailgating friends stated "it worked".  

Statistically Kyle Ray had the better day and more reps (do to more sustained drives) but Nick Purichia appears just as solid and can really run with the ball.  We will see what happens Saturday.  I could see one staying in for more reps if we get on a roll etc with Butler and the other getting most of the snaps the next week against Trine.

I don't think either has elevated themselves past the other and Coach Leonard probably doesn't want to make a hasty decision.  I can see one becoming the starter by the conference opener but the other getting a lot of playing time during the conference season (particularly if the score were to become lopsided).  Good problem to have versus trying to find one kid who can play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 08, 2009, 11:53:37 AM
Joe,

Glad the webcast worked well since the radio dropped doing DC games. It's actually probably a good thing for those DC fans that can't make it to the games.

DC hasn't turned any corner just yet. That's a reach after opening with a narrow victory over Muskingum. They haven't exactly punched any big-name team in the mouth. You turn a corner as a program when you start beating the Adrians, Trines, Franklins, Mount St. Joes and Rose-Hulmans. Last time I checked they're not doing that consistently.

We're going to find out what the Jackets are made of sooner rather than later the next two weeks. MIAA favorites Adrian and Trine and then coming off the bye week at Franklin. Adrian has thumped DC the last couple of years and that should get DC's antennas up.

Let's be honest, beating a bottom-dweller in the OAC is not exactly a huge victory in my mind. Sure they beat Muskingum Saturday but by the skin of their teeth. There's plenty of room for improvement. Better learn how to finish for one since they almost coughed up a 13-0 lead late. That's been a bug-a-boo at DC for years. Joe, I know you can attest to that. Two years ago at Trine, blew two touchdown lead in final 2 minutes. Four years ago against Manchester, three years ago at home with MSJ to name a few.

Another weakness has been finding some form of a passing attack to take some pressure off Kuesel and freshman Troy Bell in the running game. The two might be the most dangerous one-two tandem in the league. I'm telling ya, Kuesel is an animal and Bell is like lightning with the pigskin in his hands. I know it's early into their careers to be making big predictions, but those two guys are special and will be here this year and two more!

Imagine what kind of pressure those two could put on a defense if a defense had to respect DC's passing game too?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
Lynn agree it is going to get interesting, putting teams away has been the achilles heal for years which is the difference between good and great teams.  the Musky game should have been 35-0 before Musky sniffed pts.  we all know when you let folks hang around half the time they will make you pay.

It was a great confidence booster and a hell of a game to watch.  i had the PC running with the Buckeyes on the big screen...not sure i should do that again it nearly gave me a heart attack as they both nearly blew the lead at the same time!!

if you talk to the folks who did the webcast let them know it came out great especially when you consider that they dont have hundreds of thousands in servers and IT infrastrucutre behind it.  I have no idea who the play by play guy was but he was really really good, well prepared, knowledgeable, and most important had a perfect flow and did not sound like a moron in the broadcast and the color guy did not sound like an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster (cough cough Bob Davie, Joe Thiesman).  all around great production and a great thing for us alums who can only make 1 game a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2009, 12:46:55 PM
Seems like things are on the up and up for many teams...good. Congrats to everyone who won.

Someone stated that FC's defense held their own...giving up 31 points in a game isn't holding your own. As Pat stated, BW was 5-4 last year, albeit in a solid conference. If FC wants to win playoff games or even win the HCAC, they will need to get an awful lot better on defense.

As you all know, MSJ won, and the surprising stat to me was the passing yards. The QB threw for 280ish. Its not very often a MSJ QB approaches the 300 yards passing number as they have always been a running team. If this kid ends up being a legit QB, and they are able to PTR like they have in the past, I agree with Kevin that they will be the favorite in the conference. They will play solid defense and this year it looks like they have an offense that is capable of competing in a shootout if the defense has a bad game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 08, 2009, 02:21:10 PM
DC alum,

Will do. Glad it worked well since the webcast guys took my seat in the press box.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2009, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2009, 12:46:55 PM
Seems like things are on the up and up for many teams...good. Congrats to everyone who won.

Someone stated that FC's defense held their own...giving up 31 points in a game isn't holding your own. As Pat stated, BW was 5-4 last year, albeit in a solid conference. If FC wants to win playoff games or even win the HCAC, they will need to get an awful lot better on defense.

As you all know, MSJ won, and the surprising stat to me was the passing yards. The QB threw for 280ish. Its not very often a MSJ QB approaches the 300 yards passing number as they have always been a running team. If this kid ends up being a legit QB, and they are able to PTR like they have in the past, I agree with Kevin that they will be the favorite in the conference. They will play solid defense and this year it looks like they have an offense that is capable of competing in a shootout if the defense has a bad game.

One thing about MSJ and the Wilma game... Wilma is known for having a decent offense (you can check this with hscoach's preview of the OAC) but their defense isn't that good.  MSJ won't be tested until they play Defiance's defense or Franklin's "defense"....

I suspect this QB is pretty good but hasn't played in game action in a few years..... but their schedule lends itself well for him to get his feet wet against lesser competition and then be ready for a game against say, Thomas More... or even a playoff game.

If he's averaging 250 yards+ going into week 8 or 9, you have MSJ winning the HCAC and playoff-bound.  

Thats the ONE THING Mount St Joe has been missing the last 5 years.  



** on the Franklin front... I will have a chance to see Baldwin Wallace when they travel to Mount Union on October 3rd.  I'm doing color for D3.com and will dutifully report what the BW team looks like to the HCAC thread.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Griz Fan on September 08, 2009, 04:29:14 PM
I would say for Franklin's defense being as young as they are they definitely held their own against BW.  There is always room for improvement as a whole, however, I do believe the D deserves some props!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 08, 2009, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2009, 12:46:55 PM
Seems like things are on the up and up for many teams...good. Congrats to everyone who won.

Someone stated that FC's defense held their own...giving up 31 points in a game isn't holding your own. As Pat stated, BW was 5-4 last year, albeit in a solid conference. If FC wants to win playoff games or even win the HCAC, they will need to get an awful lot better on defense.

As you all know, MSJ won, and the surprising stat to me was the passing yards. The QB threw for 280ish. Its not very often a MSJ QB approaches the 300 yards passing number as they have always been a running team. If this kid ends up being a legit QB, and they are able to PTR like they have in the past, I agree with Kevin that they will be the favorite in the conference. They will play solid defense and this year it looks like they have an offense that is capable of competing in a shootout if the defense has a bad game.

One might also argue that to win the conference and playoff games a team could  require more than 21 points a game on offense.  ??? FC won two playoff games last season giving up 42 and 28 points respectively and gave up 35  on the road in Cincy and won there as well.  10/24/09.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 08:23:17 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 08, 2009, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2009, 12:46:55 PM
Seems like things are on the up and up for many teams...good. Congrats to everyone who won.

Someone stated that FC's defense held their own...giving up 31 points in a game isn't holding your own. As Pat stated, BW was 5-4 last year, albeit in a solid conference. If FC wants to win playoff games or even win the HCAC, they will need to get an awful lot better on defense.

As you all know, MSJ won, and the surprising stat to me was the passing yards. The QB threw for 280ish. Its not very often a MSJ QB approaches the 300 yards passing number as they have always been a running team. If this kid ends up being a legit QB, and they are able to PTR like they have in the past, I agree with Kevin that they will be the favorite in the conference. They will play solid defense and this year it looks like they have an offense that is capable of competing in a shootout if the defense has a bad game.



One might also argue that to win the conference and playoff games a team could  require more than 21 points a game on offense.  ??? FC won two playoff games last season giving up 42 and 28 points respectively and gave up 35  on the road in Cincy and won there as well.  10/24/09.   ;D


are you suggesting that Franklin is better off without a defense?  BW is proud of their tradition of being mediocre... they are not close to a playoff team.  If what was wrong in week 1 isn't fixed by the MSJ game, MSJ will be back wearing the conference title slippers (because they are sissies)

and by the way.... nobody in here engages in pissing matches, this is a chat where most of us have met one another.  Adam wasn't ripping your team, he's saying what everyone else is thinking...  MSJ has ALOT better chance at winning games with ONLY scoring 21 points, than a Rupp-less Franklin does of giving up 28, 35 and 42... Yes your team did win this weekend but when you play a quality team, we'll see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 08:26:27 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
It was a great confidence booster and a hell of a game to watch.  i had the PC running with the Buckeyes on the big screen...not sure i should do that again it nearly gave me a heart attack as they both nearly blew the lead at the same time!!

if you talk to the folks who did the webcast let them know it came out great especially when you consider that they dont have hundreds of thousands in servers and IT infrastrucutre behind it.  I have no idea who the play by play guy was but he was really really good, well prepared, knowledgeable, and most important had a perfect flow and did not sound like a moron in the broadcast and the color guy did not sound like an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster (cough cough Bob Davie, Joe Thiesman).  all around great production and a great thing for us alums who can only make 1 game a year.

70,

I'm going to save you the trouble this week.... don't bother watching the game Saturday night.  Word around Columbus this game is ALREADY over.  Watch me get bragging rights over has_been at 3:30 at the Big House, though!

Whats wrong with an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 09, 2009, 09:36:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 08:26:27 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
It was a great confidence booster and a hell of a game to watch.  i had the PC running with the Buckeyes on the big screen...not sure i should do that again it nearly gave me a heart attack as they both nearly blew the lead at the same time!!

if you talk to the folks who did the webcast let them know it came out great especially when you consider that they dont have hundreds of thousands in servers and IT infrastrucutre behind it.  I have no idea who the play by play guy was but he was really really good, well prepared, knowledgeable, and most important had a perfect flow and did not sound like a moron in the broadcast and the color guy did not sound like an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster (cough cough Bob Davie, Joe Thiesman).  all around great production and a great thing for us alums who can only make 1 game a year.

70,

I'm going to save you the trouble this week.... don't bother watching the game Saturday night.  Word around Columbus this game is ALREADY over.  Watch me get bragging rights over has_been at 3:30 at the Big House, though!

Whats wrong with an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster???

I heard USC was not even going to show-up this year becuase a freshman QB wont be able to take it :)

nothing wrong with a player/coach doing color as long as they dont talk like a douchebag...you know bob davie sounds like a moron!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 09, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
I didn't take adam's reply as a rip on FC.  At face value 31 points against BW says some room for improvement.  BW is not a bad football team, certainly no worse than Wilmington.   But 21 points against a similar team to BW as a regular barometer for MSJ suggests more points will be needed to beat the FCs and TMs.  BW was  picked 3rd in the OAC and normally finish in the top 3 or 4.  FC is still loaded with good players 2 deep on both sides of the ball.  FC will be fine again this year.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 09, 2009, 09:36:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 08:26:27 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
It was a great confidence booster and a hell of a game to watch.  i had the PC running with the Buckeyes on the big screen...not sure i should do that again it nearly gave me a heart attack as they both nearly blew the lead at the same time!!

if you talk to the folks who did the webcast let them know it came out great especially when you consider that they dont have hundreds of thousands in servers and IT infrastrucutre behind it.  I have no idea who the play by play guy was but he was really really good, well prepared, knowledgeable, and most important had a perfect flow and did not sound like a moron in the broadcast and the color guy did not sound like an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster (cough cough Bob Davie, Joe Thiesman).  all around great production and a great thing for us alums who can only make 1 game a year.

70,

I'm going to save you the trouble this week.... don't bother watching the game Saturday night.  Word around Columbus this game is ALREADY over.  Watch me get bragging rights over has_been at 3:30 at the Big House, though!

Whats wrong with an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster???

I heard USC was not even going to show-up this year becuase a freshman QB wont be able to take it :)

nothing wrong with a player/coach doing color as long as they dont talk like a douchebag...you know bob davie sounds like a moron!!

Bob Davie IS a moron
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
Davie is bad - and a cliche king, but...  Worst play by play of the weekend happened during the Notre Dame - Klein Oak match up at the Herbstreit Classic in Dallas.  8)  While the "microphone morons" and Dick Butkis were busy yapping about sponsorships for his anti-drug program, they totally missed a perfectly executed, "double pass" by the Californians which went for a 70+ yd TD.  Totally buggered -  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
Didn't Bob Davie have a better record at Notre Dame than the two that took over for him? And were they not still playing the "Old Notre Dame Schedule" unlike the modern ND teams.

Getting back to defense, there is only one team that has consistently played solid defense year in and year out since 2002 and that is MSJ. Some other teams have stepped up for a year or two, but other than that, the quality of defense in the HCAC has been downright terrible. Almost like they think every game is meant to be 7 on 7 or routes vs air...which brings up the offense of choice for most HCAC teams...the only exception, again, being MSJ (historically). MSJ can win more games scoring 21 points than FC can win giving up 30 per game. Its a fact...MSJ went 37-3 from 2004-2007 and 48-12 betwen 2002-2007 using that concept. Young or not, giving up 30 in a game is terrible. The reason why I bring it up is if that offense has a bad day (turnovers, injuries, playing in poor weather, etc.) they have no defense to back them up. They could easily lose a game they shouldn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
Didn't Bob Davie have a better record at Notre Dame than the two that took over for him? And were they not still playing the "Old Notre Dame Schedule" unlike the modern ND teams.


1.  They played the traditional Notre Dame schedule up until this year, when they filled it with more patsys.  USC, Michigan, Purdue, Mich St, Navy remain
2.  Bob Davie had a better record because he got off to a good start using Holtz's players.  Uncle Ty got stuck with the guys who were recruited by Davie and now Weis has been saddled with the guys Uncle Ty recruited.  Now that Weis has his players as juniors, we'll see what he can do.  


Its good to take off the scarlet and grey colored glasses every once in awhile, Sir.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
SaintsFan, We'll see if ND is the real deal this season for sure.  They have the schedule set up to be successful.  In regard to Saturday, I think it will be a good game to watch.  Both teams did well in week one against their lesser opponents & I like U of M's two qb system.  They'll have to pressure Clausen & control the clock to have a chance in this one though.  Go Blue! 
I also hate to say it, but I will be pulling for OSU to hammer USC.  There are too many band wagon fans out here as I've said before.  Be fall off & jump on constantly out here. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 09, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
SaintsFan, We'll see if ND is the real deal this season for sure.  They have the schedule set up to be successful.  In regard to Saturday, I think it will be a good game to watch.  Both teams did well in week one against their lesser opponents & I like U of M's two qb system.  They'll have to pressure Clausen & control the clock to have a chance in this one though.  Go Blue! 
I also hate to say it, but I will be pulling for OSU to hammer USC.  There are too many band wagon fans out here as I've said before.  Be fall off & jump on constantly out here. 

Agreed... but I thinks that Notre Dame's true test will come in early October when USC comes to South Bend.  Could they drop a game before then?  Yes... but I don't feel its likely. 

I believe Michigan is in for a surprise when they take the field Saturday.  They made Kaepernick from Nevada (and their entire offense) look ordinary... and not the dual threat QB he has been the last two seasons. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 09, 2009, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
Didn't Bob Davie have a better record at Notre Dame than the two that took over for him? And were they not still playing the "Old Notre Dame Schedule" unlike the modern ND teams.

Getting back to defense, there is only one team that has consistently played solid defense year in and year out since 2002 and that is MSJ. Some other teams have stepped up for a year or two, but other than that, the quality of defense in the HCAC has been downright terrible. Almost like they think every game is meant to be 7 on 7 or routes vs air...which brings up the offense of choice for most HCAC teams...the only exception, again, being MSJ (historically). MSJ can win more games scoring 21 points than FC can win giving up 30 per game. Its a fact...MSJ went 37-3 from 2004-2007 and 48-12 betwen 2002-2007 using that concept. Young or not, giving up 30 in a game is terrible. The reason why I bring it up is if that offense has a bad day (turnovers, injuries, playing in poor weather, etc.) they have no defense to back them up. They could easily lose a game they shouldn't.

I agree that MSJ has been better defensively in the past (FC has closed some of the gap in the last two years).  While the MSJ philosophy has been more run and more D, the conference is what it is.  Hanover won a lot of games with Leonard as the OC prior to the MSJ run.  I still think MSJ will need to adapt more (and it appears they are with the new QB  280 yards) because FC is most likely going to get 35 or so against MSJ on 10/24.  RHI is also  not as prolific on defense but can certainly put up some numbers.   But FC had to adapt and get better defensively and be able to run better to beat MSJ.  Both teams keep an eye on each other from my perspective.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 09, 2009, 08:57:02 PM
QuoteI believe Michigan is in for a surprise when they take the field Saturday.  They made Kaepernick from Nevada (and their entire offense) look ordinary... and not the dual threat QB he has been the last two seasons. 

What, are the Irish going to parade Joe Montana, Tim Brown, Jerome Bettis and other past stars through the tunnel at the Big House?

Michigan's not going to be afraid of the Irish. Sure, Jon Tenuta will have something up his sleeve for Michigan's rookie quarterbacks and will test them 400% more than Western did. But, Michigan's best offensive player (Brandon Minor) is back this week and that will help.

Michigan also shutdown a highly-regarded offense last week.

It'll be a good game, not saying Michigan will win, but it will be close. Michigan's offense is a lot different than a year ago when Threet and Sheridan and the rest of the offense had butter fingers in South Bend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Griz Fan on September 10, 2009, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
Didn't Bob Davie have a better record at Notre Dame than the two that took over for him? And were they not still playing the "Old Notre Dame Schedule" unlike the modern ND teams.

Getting back to defense, there is only one team that has consistently played solid defense year in and year out since 2002 and that is MSJ. Some other teams have stepped up for a year or two, but other than that, the quality of defense in the HCAC has been downright terrible. Almost like they think every game is meant to be 7 on 7 or routes vs air...which brings up the offense of choice for most HCAC teams...the only exception, again, being MSJ (historically). MSJ can win more games scoring 21 points than FC can win giving up 30 per game. Its a fact...MSJ went 37-3 from 2004-2007 and 48-12 betwen 2002-2007 using that concept. Young or not, giving up 30 in a game is terrible. The reason why I bring it up is if that offense has a bad day (turnovers, injuries, playing in poor weather, etc.) they have no defense to back them up. They could easily lose a game they shouldn't.

I understand that there is room for improvement and all in all it's a team sport and it takes both sides to win a game.   I don't think there is anything about FC that is "terrible".   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2009, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: Griz Fan on September 10, 2009, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
Didn't Bob Davie have a better record at Notre Dame than the two that took over for him? And were they not still playing the "Old Notre Dame Schedule" unlike the modern ND teams.

Getting back to defense, there is only one team that has consistently played solid defense year in and year out since 2002 and that is MSJ. Some other teams have stepped up for a year or two, but other than that, the quality of defense in the HCAC has been downright terrible. Almost like they think every game is meant to be 7 on 7 or routes vs air...which brings up the offense of choice for most HCAC teams...the only exception, again, being MSJ (historically). MSJ can win more games scoring 21 points than FC can win giving up 30 per game. Its a fact...MSJ went 37-3 from 2004-2007 and 48-12 betwen 2002-2007 using that concept. Young or not, giving up 30 in a game is terrible. The reason why I bring it up is if that offense has a bad day (turnovers, injuries, playing in poor weather, etc.) they have no defense to back them up. They could easily lose a game they shouldn't.



while I think terrible is not really the correct word to be used here..... how many games do you think Franklin wins in 2009 if they give up 30 points a game? 

BTW.... I think MSJ is terrible... but thats just their campus.  Wish I could say the same about their football team.

I understand that there is room for improvement and all in all it's a team sport and it takes both sides to win a game.   I don't think there is anything about FC that is "terrible".   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 09, 2009, 08:57:02 PM
QuoteI believe Michigan is in for a surprise when they take the field Saturday.  They made Kaepernick from Nevada (and their entire offense) look ordinary... and not the dual threat QB he has been the last two seasons. 

What, are the Irish going to parade Joe Montana, Tim Brown, Jerome Bettis and other past stars through the tunnel at the Big House?

Michigan's not going to be afraid of the Irish. Sure, Jon Tenuta will have something up his sleeve for Michigan's rookie quarterbacks and will test them 400% more than Western did. But, Michigan's best offensive player (Brandon Minor) is back this week and that will help.

Michigan also shutdown a highly-regarded offense last week.

It'll be a good game, not saying Michigan will win, but it will be close. Michigan's offense is a lot different than a year ago when Threet and Sheridan and the rest of the offense had butter fingers in South Bend.

Agree to disagree here... now if Michigan practiced for 17 hours this past Sunday, then they may have a shot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2009, 02:08:53 PM
As much as I would like to say, with confidence, that Ohio State can win on Saturday...I don't have much confidence. Call me a bandwagon fan if you must, but this team should be ranked between 12-15...not in the top 10. I will consider this game a moral victory if Ohio State can keep it within 10 points...but I do recognize that USC tends to have moments of lapse...unfortunately those haven't occured outside of conference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 10, 2009, 02:29:58 PM
http://www.pal-item.com/article/20090907/NEWS02/909070314

Looks like Earlham may be joining the ranks of the HCAC.  Not sure this does much for your conference power ranking. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 10, 2009, 04:23:12 PM
Check out this week's "Around The Midwest".  FC gets some early season love.  Even more than regular dose from Sayer, SaintsFan, and the usual cast of characters on this board.   :-*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on September 10, 2009, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Agree to disagree here... now if Michigan practiced for 17 hours this past Sunday, then they may have a shot.

Aren't they already being investigated for too many practices?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Yes they are altor!! 8 losses last year with the extra practices..

Get over yourself, Grizzbacker.. Promise me you'll stick around if Franklin somehow loses before winning the National Title this year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 10, 2009, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Yes they are altor!! 8 losses last year with the extra practices..

Get over yourself, Grizzbacker.. Promise me you'll stick around if Franklin somehow loses before winning the National Title this year. 

I guess you didn't enjoy the article then??  ;) Hey FC might lose this Saturday!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Griz Fan on September 11, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Yes they are altor!! 8 losses last year with the extra practices..

Get over yourself, Grizzbacker.. Promise me you'll stick around if Franklin somehow loses before winning the National Title this year. 

Seriously?!?!  I thought this was supposed to be a friendly place to post!  I think Grizzbacker was simply showing his team a little love, nothing wrong with that.  I don't think you'll find any fair weather fans with FC...we're going nowhere and no matter what, we're behind them win or lose!   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 11:03:25 AM
Some folks on here can be somewhat curmudgeonly.  Not me.  I love college football and life in general to worry about what somebody from the PAC thinks.  Be careful.  There are those in here that are quick on the negative karma.   :'(. 

Will you be at the touchdown club tailgate tomorrow?  Drop me an email (see profile).  The usual group will there before noon imbibing malted beverages.

It's going to be tough one tomorrow. Butler is the best team we will see this year.  I enjoy a game when you have no clue who will win. Win or lose the food and cold Coors Light will flow and we will have fun.   And do you know why???    Because we love football!!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 10, 2009, 02:29:58 PM
http://www.pal-item.com/article/20090907/NEWS02/909070314

Looks like Earlham may be joining the ranks of the HCAC.  Not sure this does much for your conference power ranking. 

it will help yours!!  Lol ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
I don't think Kevin took too kindly to your kissing smiley face. He may represent a PAC team, but he's also been on the HCAC board longer than I or just about anyone else for that matter. He's seen people come and go. Many of them come on to tout their team and as soon as their team slips back into mediocrity, they vanish. If you're still on here talkin football in a couple years, good for you. If you're still on here when Franklin has a down year or two...even better. Remember...college football is like a pendulum for 90% of teams. There are good years and there are bad years. FC may be the top dog right now but who's to say RHIT or, god help me, Defiance :) wins a couple championships. Or even the Lions from MSJ taking back the HCAC crown.

To reply to your comment, it was a good article. Nice to see the kid get the game ball under the circumstances. I know as a player you take it 1 game at a time, but I'm no longer a player...I'm waiting for the 24th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
god help me, Defiance :) wins a couple championships.

God help us all if that happens. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 12:21:54 PM
It's all cool.  FC can beaten for sure.  They coughed up a loss at Trine of their own making last year.  Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they lose to Butler.  Talent wise fc on same page but experience may be the difference.  Butler is making moves to move up to scholarship status and has a lot of big kids.  Good luck to MSJ against Lakeland.   The lions can work on that new spread they will need in conference action. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 12:25:38 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 12:21:54 PM
They coughed up a loss at Trine of their own making last year. 

yep.... fc84 came on here last year after the loss and told us about how FC gave the game away and Trine didn't win it.  Then later he went into the OAC page and cussed at some of the posters in there.


Thats the basis for where some of the posters on this website feel rubbed the wrong way by some of the Franklin people. 

I'm over it... just stick around if things go bad and you're legit in my book.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 12:35:42 PM
Sorry about the kissing face icon. Typing on iPhone without reading glasses.  We haven't even been properly introduced.   LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 11, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
god help me, Defiance :) wins a couple championships.

God help us all if that happens.  

Ah, come on SaintsFan.  It would provide some of us with a respite from the self-serving ("aren't we freakin' special") spin that headlines the quarterly, alumni rag.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 11, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
Karma for everyone. "Can't we all get along" ;D

Hey SaintsFan,

You remember when Victory Bell started posting he had a lot of people after him at first, but then things changed and he brought some interesting football talk to the threads.

To the new Grizzly Faithful welcome to the boards. I am mainly just a lurker to the boards and don't make very many posts.

You have to admit that the Grizzlies Touchdown Club does know how to throw a tailgate party, attended many during my sons four years there and a few more last year after graduation.

Not going to be able to make this weeks game but I think my son is planning on heading north to take in the game. I do have Oct. 17th(Homecoming) and Oct. 24th marked on the calendar to make those games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 11, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
Hey Griz_Backer and Griz Fan you need to go to the the General Football Forum and check out the Pick Ems. wabashcpa does a good job running the pick ems for the HCAC every week.

SaintsFan was last years champion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 01:52:42 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on September 11, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
Karma for everyone. "Can't we all get along" ;D

Hey SaintsFan,

You remember when Victory Bell started posting he had a lot of people after him at first, but then things changed and he brought some interesting football talk to the threads.



Yessir, I do.... and we've gone through this same process with a few others.  People usually calm down.  Victory Bell was ahead of Franklin's time... he hasn't been back since they've been good.  I wonder if he's on staff????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 11, 2009, 02:05:08 PM

[/quote]

Yessir, I do.... and we've gone through this same process with a few others.  People usually calm down.  Victory Bell was ahead of Franklin's time... he hasn't been back since they've been good.  I wonder if he's on staff????
[/quote]

I allways wondered that myself, or was on one of Coach Leonard's first staffs at Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 11, 2009, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
god help me, Defiance :) wins a couple championships.

God help us all if that happens. 

that's it time to get crumungeny...maybe us DC guys dont like your smiley face either.  :-*  you know win our lose us DC regulars will talk the same trash just it hurts more when you loose to us!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 11, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 12:35:42 PM
We haven't even been properly introduced.   LOL

Griz_Backer you already said the magic words if you want to be properly introduced to SaintsFan "ICE COLD COORS LIGHT"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 02:59:28 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 11, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 12:35:42 PM
We haven't even been properly introduced.   LOL

How can the "best D3 tailgate in the nation" not have cold Coors Light??








Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 11, 2009, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
god help me, Defiance :) wins a couple championships.

God help us all if that happens. 

that's it time to get crumungeny...maybe us DC guys dont like your smiley face either.  :-*  you know win our lose us DC regulars will talk the same trash just it hurts more when you loose to us!!


We would have to be on the actual schedule, to lose to you guys....

and Coors Light... is garbage.  If you are looking to bribe me.... it has to be Leinekugel -- Summer Shandy. 

My palet is more refined than that Coors Light garbage you Ohio State fans drink!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 11, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Thought this might be interesting for some of you to read. I will be putting a link below in regards to a trial going on down here in Louisville, KY involving a high school coach that is on trial for the wrongful death of a player last year during practice.

Hopefully I will get this link right.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090830/SPORTS05/908300309/0/NEWS01/Key+figures+in+the+Jason+Stinson+trial (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090830/SPORTS05/908300309/0/NEWS01/Key+figures+in+the+Jason+Stinson+trial)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
The Shandy is good stuff!!   That association with OSU hurts!  Indiana fans over here.  How about High Life Light??   12 cold ounces of common sense at a tasty price.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 11, 2009, 04:14:28 PM
1) Curmudgeonly?  Seriously?  Here's one, Pompous!

2)SaintsFan & Sayer, our day will come.  Go Jackets!

3) I'm a big fan of Guinness or Hefeweizen.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 11, 2009, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 11, 2009, 04:14:28 PM


3) I'm a big fan of Guinness or Hefeweizen.



Throw a Stone, Smuttynose, Lagunitas, or a Bell's Two Hearted into your equation, has_been, and I'll buy the next time you get east of the Mississippi.
Ayinger Ur Weiss, Schneider Weiss, and Bell's Oberon in the summer beer frig.

Those mass-produced weasel renderings are for some with dreams of getting lucky later.  ;D ;D

Signed,

A proud, "old enough to be classified as a" curmudgeon
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 05:06:38 PM
 I have had Stone IPA two or three times in the last month. Very tasty and a power buzz to boot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 05:38:14 PM
Never forget:

I came very close to losing my brother in South Tower 8 years ago.  Because of Rick Rescorla, he survived.  Rick, who was the subject of a History Channel Biography, didn't survive. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla

A huge, huge hero in my book.  After the Morgan Stanley evacuees got 20 floors down from where they had been working, the 2nd plane hit their building. 


Rick Rescorla saved all but 6 of Morgan Stanley's 2700 employees in the WTC, including my brother.  He told them to leave the building even as the PA person in tower 2 was saying the fire was contained to tower 1 and that it was safe to go back to work. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Certainly puts college football in the proper perspective
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2009, 05:38:14 PM
Never forget:

I came very close to losing my brother in South Tower 8 years ago.  Because of Rick Rescorla, he survived.  Rick, who was the subject of a History Channel Biography, didn't survive. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla

A huge, huge hero in my book.  After the Morgan Stanley evacuees got 20 floors down from where they had been working, the 2nd plane hit their building. 


Rick Rescorla saved all but 6 of Morgan Stanley's 2700 employees in the WTC, including my brother.  He told them to leave the building even as the PA person in tower 2 was saying the fire was contained to tower 1 and that it was safe to go back to work. 

The Rick Rescorla story is an incredible testimony to his character.

I strongly recommend it to everyone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 11, 2009, 09:32:34 PM
SaintsFAN:

+k for invoking Rick Rescorla. A true American hero whose name should never be forgotten. There is no end to the lives he touched by his great actions.

We all remember where we were. Never forget.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 11, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Rick Rescorla lived a pretty incredible life.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 12, 2009, 02:55:22 PM
23 to 7 butler over FC at half.   FC not playing well on offense. Plus a pick and a fumble led to 10 easy points for Butler.  Doesn't look good so far
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 12, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
DC not much better was 24 - 0 at half and Adrian just hit another long one to make it 30-2 (DC fumbled on the 2yd line and Adrian bothced the snap to give up the safety)

plus my internet is FUBAR'd so i cant hardly watch it but ATT found the problem and is fixing on their end.  i did find that ustream has an iphone app so i am watching the game on my iphone...gotta love technology
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 12, 2009, 04:58:20 PM
fc lost 49 19.  Beat soundly on the line of scrimmage.  They grow em big at Butler.  FC has two weeks  for prep for Trine.   They will be fine rest of way.  Butler came out and played well.  No excuses here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on September 12, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Saintsfan

Congrats to your boy and former Thomas More Saint Chris Wells in his pinch-hit coaching debut for the Hamilton Big Blue.  Good story about Wells and the game on the Hamilton Journal News website that you linked for me the other day. 

Proud of him, the Big Blue and Coach Place (of course). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 12, 2009, 07:07:50 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 12, 2009, 04:58:20 PM
fc lost 49 19.  Beat soundly on the line of scrimmage.  They grow em big at Butler.  FC has two weeks  for prep for Trine.   They will be fine rest of way.  Butler came out and played well.  No excuses here.

Griz Backer,

No shame in losing to Butler this year - they are vastly improved over what they were a few years ago. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 13, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 08:26:27 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
It was a great confidence booster and a hell of a game to watch.  i had the PC running with the Buckeyes on the big screen...not sure i should do that again it nearly gave me a heart attack as they both nearly blew the lead at the same time!!

if you talk to the folks who did the webcast let them know it came out great especially when you consider that they dont have hundreds of thousands in servers and IT infrastrucutre behind it.  I have no idea who the play by play guy was but he was really really good, well prepared, knowledgeable, and most important had a perfect flow and did not sound like a moron in the broadcast and the color guy did not sound like an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster (cough cough Bob Davie, Joe Thiesman).  all around great production and a great thing for us alums who can only make 1 game a year.

70,

I'm going to save you the trouble this week.... don't bother watching the game Saturday night.  Word around Columbus this game is ALREADY over.  Watch me get bragging rights over has_been at 3:30 at the Big House, though!

Whats wrong with an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster???

What's that SaintsFan?  I can't hear you! ;)  That was a great game & ND was clearly the better team, but they made a number of mistakes that killed them.  I'll take it though.  Now I need the Detroit Lions to win 1 or 2 games & this season can be considered a success!
In regards to the DC game, well they really need a QB very badly. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2009, 02:05:08 AM
At least the Mount got a win for me this weekend. Purcell played the worst game I've seen in the 3 years I've been there, Tyrrell Pryor throws the ball as if Hellen Keller is his QB coach (I've seen Olinemen throw with better mechanics), and Mike Brown is still alive so even if the Bengals win, it will be a bad day. I can't find the box score/stats and my computer isnt working well either, but it appears that MSJ's offense is clicking. Kevin, could you enlighten me on how good/bad Lakeland is?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 13, 2009, 02:17:13 AM
QuoteIn regards to the DC game, well they really need a QB very badly. 

You know the saying 'when you got two, you got none'. They also need an offensive line and receivers too. They've got a stable of backs but Adrian Petersen would've struggled running today. Adrian's front 4 set up camp in DC's backfield all afternoon and nine sacks proved it to go along with too many TFL to count. Doesn't matter if you have the best defense in the nation when the offense goes 3-and-out over and over and over again. BTW Adrian's QB is a stud.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2009, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 13, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 09, 2009, 08:26:27 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
It was a great confidence booster and a hell of a game to watch.  i had the PC running with the Buckeyes on the big screen...not sure i should do that again it nearly gave me a heart attack as they both nearly blew the lead at the same time!!

if you talk to the folks who did the webcast let them know it came out great especially when you consider that they dont have hundreds of thousands in servers and IT infrastrucutre behind it.  I have no idea who the play by play guy was but he was really really good, well prepared, knowledgeable, and most important had a perfect flow and did not sound like a moron in the broadcast and the color guy did not sound like an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster (cough cough Bob Davie, Joe Thiesman).  all around great production and a great thing for us alums who can only make 1 game a year.

70,

I'm going to save you the trouble this week.... don't bother watching the game Saturday night.  Word around Columbus this game is ALREADY over.  Watch me get bragging rights over has_been at 3:30 at the Big House, though!

Whats wrong with an old coach/player trying to be a broadcaster???

What's that SaintsFan?  I can't hear you! ;)  That was a great game & ND was clearly the better team, but they made a number of mistakes that killed them.  I'll take it though.  Now I need the Detroit Lions to win 1 or 2 games & this season can be considered a success!
In regards to the DC game, well they really need a QB very badly. 

dc_alum:

I would have to disagree with you somewhat there, my friend.  I don't think ND was the better team, I think they were pretty evenly matched in how the overall played looked (stats aside).  Clearly each team gave up some defensive ground and big plays at times, however, for once, Michigan's line held towards the end, and Michigan was able to complete a drive in the final 6 minutes of the game (although admittedly, it was close!).  They usually lose games like that by not being able to get that first down to keep a drive going.

Anyway, it was, indeed, a fantastic game.  I admit that I am a Michigan fan, however, I do not like either of the head coaches, Weis and Rodriguez (not sure which one I dislike more - probably a tie ;D).  But, for once I'm glad Michigan pulled out one of those type of games.

Speaking of those type of games, of course, the Ohio State/USC was similar.  Ohio State blew that one (again) but while USC is still a very good team, I don't think they are quite the "steam roller" that they have been in recent years.  However, it is still early in the season obviously.  UCLA looks improved as they beat Tennessee.

Back to our DIII scene, what's going on with your Defiance team.  I know they have been struggling the past 3 years and they are sliding back to some of their "lean years" in past couple of decades.  Is it coaching or just lack of player talent?  Just curious as to your opinion.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2009, 06:08:33 PM
D3 - sorry for delay it took me a couple to agree to follow football after this weekend.  every time I follow from High School through the pros lost this weekend except for UC (and 70-3 win was not that enjoyable).  OSU / USC was bad enough but i am a die hard Bengals fan too and that capped it for me!!

Not sure what the deal is with DC, still a lot of young guys that play so not sure if there has been turnover of people not returning to school or jsut younger guys are better.  they are big and have some experience on the oline but can have issues with Speed.  DC has not had a consitent passing QB since 99-2002 when we had that fat QB :) (just in case he is reading) who won the conference.  we have good RB's and a line with size but when you dont have to worry about a pass over 5yds it is impossible for anyone to run into 9 man fronts.  even when we had Luke Dillion a freak at WR that was still a chuck and pray passing game. 

they are not too far off just a couople of spots...but they are critical spots.  Defense will need to win a couple to beat some of the top tier teams on the schedule.  they are not a favorite to win the league but will be the best of the rest and has the skills to beat any of the top if they let DC hang around
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 08:47:02 AM
QuoteNot sure what the deal is with DC, still a lot of young guys that play so not sure if there has been turnover of people not returning to school or jsut younger guys are better.  they are big and have some experience on the oline but can have issues with Speed.  DC has not had a consitent passing QB since 99-2002 when we had that fat QB :) (just in case he is reading) who won the conference.  we have good RB's and a line with size but when you dont have to worry about a pass over 5yds it is impossible for anyone to run into 9 man fronts.  even when we had Luke Dillion a freak at WR that was still a chuck and pray passing game. 

they are not too far off just a couople of spots...but they are critical spots.  Defense will need to win a couple to beat some of the top tier teams on the schedule.  they are not a favorite to win the league but will be the best of the rest and has the skills to beat any of the top if they let DC hang around
[/quote]

There's not a lot to fear about DC's offense right now - been saying that for years. Passing game is non-existent and the O-Line was completely overmatched against Adrian. Let's call a spade a spade - Adrian's D-Line is ferocious. One of the their defensive ends grew up a half mile from me and I've heard  he could play Division I but didn't get any offers coming out of high school b/c of his size (He's as strong as an ox). Adrian's front four is one of the best in the nation, so a lot of teams are going to struggle with them.

You're right, the running backs are good but injuries have slowed them down. A defense can only handle so much after being thrown back onto the field following three-and-out after three-and-out by the O.

I kind of disagree with your last comment. DC's not exactly given the league's top teams (MSJ and Franklin) a lot to fear recently. Yes, they beat MSJ last year but that was the worst team Rod's had in quite some time. Throw Rose into the top tier teams for this year as well and you've got a common theme with all of them ... they all can score a lot of points. Reading what Sayer's said, the Mount can toss it around this year as well. So, you're going to have to score somewhere in the neighborhood of 24 points  to compete with those three. Through two games, I've seen no reason to think DC can even score 21 (both TDs Saturday where in gaaaaaaarbaaaaaaaage time).  Holding the top-tier teams in your league under 20 points is asking a ton out of your defense with some of the weapons RHIT, Franklin and MSJ showcase.

I'd like to be proven wrong about the DC offense, but I'm just being realistic from what I've witnessed through two games. They're not at a level to compete with the big boys yet in the HCAC.  The offense simply needs to pick it up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 11:09:43 AM
Defiance will have to score 4TD's + to compete with MSJ, RHIT and Franklin this season.  Sounds like thats not going to happen. 


I've been away from the boards, not running away from my ND predictions.  I do agree they are better than Michigan, talent-wise... but they got beat on Saturday.  If Golden Tate catches two of the 4 balls he dropped, ND wins.  ND should NOT have let Michigan hang around... I knew after the first half when they moved the ball at will and didn't score ---- they were going to be in for a surprise. 

ND will win out... I think they'll get USC at home this year, judging by what I saw from Barkley on Saturday in Columbus.  The Irish have 7 more home games (this year being the first time they've used the "ohio state model" for scheduling). 



How about MSJ finally having a QB?  The competition thus far has been below average (there's your answer Sayer) but I think they've developed enough confidence that it won't matter.  Their game against Franklin will be one to see, for sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 11:36:03 AM
QuoteI've been away from the boards, not running away from my ND predictions.  I do agree they are better than Michigan, talent-wise... but they got beat on Saturday.  If Golden Tate catches two of the 4 balls he dropped, ND wins.  ND should NOT have let Michigan hang around... I knew after the first half when they moved the ball at will and didn't score ---- they were going to be in for a surprise. 

ND will win out... I think they'll get USC at home this year, judging by what I saw from Barkley on Saturday in Columbus.  The Irish have 7 more home games (this year being the first time they've used the "ohio state model" for scheduling).

If Notre Dame's better than Michigan they sure didn't prove it on the FIELD and that's the only place it matters. Not sure ND has more talent either. Forcier is just as good if not better than an experienced Claussen, who has two great receivers. ND's receivers are awesome and better than Michigan's but UM played without it's best receiver (Junior Hemmingway).

Forcier and the Michigan offense made plays when it mattered the most, ND couldn't make those clutch plays when they took possession with around two or three minutes needing only to move the chains once to win.

Totally agree that USC is very beatable. I'd say this is the worst team they've fielded in a while and I give ND a great chance to beat them in South Bend.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 15, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
How many points do I get to take USC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: frank uible on September 15, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
How many points do I get to take USC?

you would get exactly what the spread is.... and that will be ND+ whatever.  Don't think for a minute the people in Vegas are going to give the Irish any respect.


I agree... Michigan won the game.  But they aren't better.  The Irish shot themselves in the foot the entire game. 


I'd take Clausen over Forcier any day... but the Forcier kid does have some moxy.  Forcier has better talent around him than Clausen did as a freshman.... he's taken his lumps and the game has slowed down for him. 

I'll take experience over flash in the pan anytime...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 15, 2009, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 12:22:09 PM

I'll take experience over flash in the pan anytime...

Let me know how that works out for you when you hit 45  :D  I'll settle for any win  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 15, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
MSJ's QB has thrown for over 600 yards so far this year...lackluster competition or not, their offense is leaps and bounds over where it was last year.

The Ohio State's schedule in a couple years (I forget if it's 2010, 2011, or 2012) features 8 home games and 4 road games.

Say what you want about losing "the big game" they don't shy way from them during the regular season. They have Miami (FL) and Cal on the schedule the next couple years in a home and home...plus playing Cincinnati again...which may be the next time OSU loses to an in-state team since 1921 when they played Oberlin. Win or lose (recently have been a lot of loses), Ohio state seeks out a quality team to play out of conference...unlike Florida who hasn't left the South outside of a Bowl Game in 15 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2009, 02:08:57 PM
SaintsFan- How can you call Forcier a flash in the pan when he's played two games?  Right now all he is, is a flash!  Claussen still is the better QB & will eventually be a first round draft pick that is for sure, but right now he's 1-2 vs Michigan & Forcier is undefeated ;D.

We'll see what happens in Defiance when the season carries on.  They need to get the QB to just look at his first option & if it isn't there they need to tuck & run.  He won't have the time or height to check for a second receiver.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 03:27:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 15, 2009, 02:08:57 PM
SaintsFan- How can you call Forcier a flash in the pan when he's played two games?  Right now all he is, is a flash!  Claussen still is the better QB & will eventually be a first round draft pick that is for sure, but right now he's 1-2 vs Michigan & Forcier is undefeated ;D.

Exactly.  Someone else in here brought it up that they'd rather have Forcier over Clausen... ha... well thats what being a fan is all about.  Did you know "fan" is short for fanatic?  Thats why it was said they'd rather have Forcier. 

During the broadcast on Saturday, Matt Millen was comparing him to Joe Montana and Drew Brees... are you serious, Matt?  Thats why you are doing Television now and NOT still with the Lions.  Prediction --- he will be fired from ESPN, as well. 


Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 15, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
Say what you want about losing "the big game" they don't shy way from them during the regular season. They have Miami (FL) and Cal on the schedule the next couple years in a home and home...plus playing Cincinnati again...which may be the next time OSU loses to an in-state team since 1921 when they played Oberlin. Win or lose (recently have been a lot of loses), Ohio state seeks out a quality team to play out of conference...unlike Florida who hasn't left the South outside of a Bowl Game in 15 years.

FUKK that, Sayer.  Do you think they don't shy away from them??  When did they originally schedule Cal? 

Ohio State is SCARED to play Cincy anywhere around the town of Cincinnati.  FACT.... UC had to schedule two road games with them, to even keep them on the schedule.  This was originally scheduled to be like a Kent State game.... it was before BK took over.  Then, during last season's run ..... Ohio State told them they were cancelling the game at Paul Brown unless Cincinnati came to Columbus for their "home game".    They didn't seek out the best in scheduling Cincinnati originally, it was scheduled when UC was mediocre... and then they modified it to more of their liking when UC appeared to be becoming the real deal.  UC will beat them in Columbus if Tressel is still there.  Kelly will run circles around Tressel on gameday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 15, 2009, 04:26:28 PM
I am no authority on OSU football but Pike will be playing on Sunday before Pryor IMO.  The kid from MI appears to be real gamer as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 04:35:24 PM
QuoteI agree... Michigan won the game.  But they aren't better.  The Irish shot themselves in the foot the entire game. 


I'd take Clausen over Forcier any day... but the Forcier kid does have some moxy.  Forcier has better talent around him than Clausen did as a freshman.... he's taken his lumps and the game has slowed down for him. 

I'll take experience over flash in the pan anytime...

You need to take your shamrock glasses off. Michigan won the game, but they aren't better? That don't make any sense. Where I come from, winning is winning. Man up and admit Michigan won after bugling all week Michigan would be in for a big surprise. You can twist any game and say what if, shoulda, coulda, woulda. The fact is Michigan made more plays when it counted and had about the same amount of yardage as ND. I'd say it was pretty even.

If Claussen's so great, what's his signature win in three years in South Bend ... Hawaii in Hawaii Bowl? Didn' ND lose to Syracuse, Michigan State and got shutout at Boston College last year and have already lost to a good but not anything special Michigan team that's playing freshmen and sophomores everywhere?

Looks like the flash in the pan made the plays Saturday while experience lost.

QuoteExactly.  Someone else in here brought it up that they'd rather have Forcier over Clausen... ha... well thats what being a fan is all about.  Did you know "fan" is short for fanatic?  Thats why it was said they'd rather have Forcier.

I didn't say anything about who I'd rather have. That's to be determined with Forcier's career two games and Claussen's three years. All I said is Forcier made the clutch plays when it mattered the most.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
ok, I came on here and gave credit to Michigan for the win.... I will not say they are better... they aren't.  They made the plays... did I mention they didn't? 

I'm saying Notre Dame SHOULD HAVE won this game.  Disagree if you want. 

I don't wear shamrock glasses.... ask Sayer... I have always been realistic about Notre Dame.  He knows in the past what I've said... or you could go back to years past here on my postings, if you want.  Most of the people on here know I'm realistic about them.... because I always have been.


Did they make me look bad on Saturday?  yes.  They have more seasoned talent at Notre Dame and Saturday should have been a gimme.  Michigan made more plays.  I'm mad, because next year.... Michigan is going to be really tough in South Bend.  Saturday was our chance.... and they dropped the ball.

Thats the bottom line.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 04:45:23 PM
one more thing...

If I was in charge of calling plays, I would've called passes at #33 all day long... he was garbage and I have no idea why Front Butt Chuck stopped throwing the ball at him... 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 04:46:41 PM
QuoteSay what you want about losing "the big game" they don't shy way from them during the regular season. They have Miami (FL) and Cal on the schedule the next couple years in a home and home...plus playing Cincinnati again...which may be the next time OSU loses to an in-state team since 1921 when they played Oberlin. Win or lose (recently have been a lot of loses), Ohio state seeks out a quality team to play out of conference...unlike Florida who hasn't left the South outside of a Bowl Game in 15 years.

Being a UM fan it's hard to back Sayer on this one but everyone has to admit that Ohio State isn't shying away from the big boys. Texas, USC, up and coming Miami program and Cal. That's getting it done in the scheduling department. Something needs to be done about some of the scheduling done by big names. Michigan scheduling Delaware State is a joke. Who freaking cares if they beat some team like that. Look at the excitement a contest like the one Saturday night in C-Bus generated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2009, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 04:46:41 PM
Something needs to be done about some of the scheduling done by big names. Michigan scheduling Delaware State is a joke. Who freaking cares if they beat some team like that. Look at the excitement a contest like the one Saturday night in C-Bus generated.

Agreed.  or Charleston Southern at Florida?  Its total BS.... teams are giving away payday games like we aren't in a recession.  Kudos to Alabama and Virginia Tech for what they gave us two weeks ago...

I'm just pissy at HOW Ohio State has treated the games with Cincy... thats just wrong.  They are the big, bad Buckeyes... why would they be scared to play Cincy at Paul Brown Stadium????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 06:15:59 PM
QuoteI'm just pissy at HOW Ohio State has treated the games with Cincy... thats just wrong.  They are the big, bad Buckeyes... why would they be scared to play Cincy at Paul Brown Stadium????

Probably because they almost lost the last time they played Cincy there. Think it was the year OSU won the title. Also so they could play a MAC team in Cleveland. Brian Kelly is building Cincy into the best program in the Big East if they aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference already.

And they aren't scheduling cream puffs out of conference: Southeast Missouri State sure, but At Oregon State and home with Illinois. Both of those teams have knocked teams out of the national title picture the last two years with the Beavers beating USC last year and Illinois beating OSU two years ago.

Out of curiosity I looked at UC's future opponents,

2010
vs. Miami (OH)
vs. Oklahoma (Paul Brown Stadium)
at N.C. State
at Fresno State

2011
At Tennessee, who could be rebuillt by then

2012
VA Tech
Ohio State
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2009, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2009, 06:15:59 PM
QuoteI'm just pissy at HOW Ohio State has treated the games with Cincy... thats just wrong.  They are the big, bad Buckeyes... why would they be scared to play Cincy at Paul Brown Stadium????

Probably because they almost lost the last time they played Cincy there.


thats exactly why and exactly my point, here.  I don't understand WHY they are ducking UC in Cincinnati if they want to "play the best--anywhere"

While Brian Kelly, will play anyone, anytime... it seems.  They opened on the road at Rutgers, who was favored to win the Big East?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
Honestly, I think they won't play in Cincy because Paul Brown's not large enough to hold the OSU fans and the Cincinnati fans together. The Horseshoe on the otherhand is large enough...105,000 vs 65,000. By now we all should realize college football is about numbers...especially numbers with a dollar sign to the left. Hence, the point below....

Ohio State is paying UC almost a million bucks to come to Columbus as well...that may have just a little bit to do with it since UC's athletic department is in a little bit of a hole financially.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2009, 07:05:47 PM
did you just call Charlie Front Butt Chuck?  i was laughing out loud in the office when i just read that!!

Brian Kelly is a stud coach  no way he is still at UC in 2012 when they play OSU...he could be in c-bus!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacket18 on September 17, 2009, 01:02:36 AM
DC_Alum and all -

Oh course that "fat QB" is reading this.  Whether I was a "fat QB" or should have been a guard, it worked out okay for us.  Maybe not perfect, but not too bad.  I have been staying up to date with the board, but work and home life is crazy so just haven't had time to post. 

Anyways, I was down at DC for opening weekend and seeing the team in person I would say they just aren't talented or confident enough under center.  My personal opinion is that they needs to make a choice and go with one guy.  Neither has a huge advantage over the other, but I think choosing one would really help them get settled in.  I was more impressed with the older kid, but neither really stood out.  The defense was tough as usual, and the run game was pretty good.  The freshmen kid has the potential to be a star.  Just gets the job done. 

In general, I just don't think DC has the killer instinct that is necessary to compete up there with the elite of the conference.  They shouldn't have had Muskegum down 28 or 35 at the half and it was just a small lead.    There are some good individuals on the team, but as a group they just didn't seem to have that feel of "knowing" they were going to win. 

Just my two cents!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 17, 2009, 06:40:26 AM
QuoteIn general, I just don't think DC has the killer instinct that is necessary to compete up there with the elite of the conference.  They shouldn't have had Muskegum down 28 or 35 at the half and it was just a small lead.    There are some good individuals on the team, but as a group they just didn't seem to have that feel of "knowing" they were going to win.

Attitude is a big part of it and you couldn't have said it better about the killer instinct necessary to compete with the elite. They have some good players but not enough talent of the championship type as a group. 

QuoteAnyways, I was down at DC for opening weekend and seeing the team in person I would say they just aren't talented or confident enough under center.  My personal opinion is that they needs to make a choice and go with one guy.  Neither has a huge advantage over the other, but I think choosing one would really help them get settled in.  I was more impressed with the older kid, but neither really stood out.

Yep, the QB situation is very unsettled. One's more of runner and other more of a Chad Pennington type passer that is very accurate 10 yards and in. They also don't have a Luke Dillon or burner that can stretch the field at receiver.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 17, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 17, 2009, 06:40:26 AM
QuoteIn general, I just don't think DC has the killer instinct that is necessary to compete up there with the elite of the conference.  They shouldn't have had Muskegum down 28 or 35 at the half and it was just a small lead.    There are some good individuals on the team, but as a group they just didn't seem to have that feel of "knowing" they were going to win.

Attitude is a big part of it and you couldn't have said it better about the killer instinct necessary to compete with the elite. They have some good players but not enough talent of the championship type as a group. 

QuoteAnyways, I was down at DC for opening weekend and seeing the team in person I would say they just aren't talented or confident enough under center.  My personal opinion is that they needs to make a choice and go with one guy.  Neither has a huge advantage over the other, but I think choosing one would really help them get settled in.  I was more impressed with the older kid, but neither really stood out.

Yep, the QB situation is very unsettled. One's more of runner and other more of a Chad Pennington type passer that is very accurate 10 yards and in. They also don't have a Luke Dillon or burner that can stretch the field at receiver.

You both just hit on the operative phrase - "killer instinct." 

The lack of it transcends football and campus as a whole in spite of Stinger spin and self-perceived opinions of "movers and shakers."  Gallons of paint and pallets of brick for "dress up" are nice accessories, but do little for the soul.

Recruiting has been focused, over the past three decades, on an eighty mile radius of the river junctions for both students and student-athletes and the lack of diversity in populace and academic programs has a predicted, negative effect.  I'm in full agreement with JacketsFan on his observations of this phenomenon.

What do you think, Jackets Backer?  Is it time to resurrect a Tigyer-esque attitude, the Tip Top's 24 hr breakfast special, and rebuild Ben's Cafe and Stemwinders?  ;D
 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 17, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
I think Defiance needs to hire Adam Sayer...we'll kill something. Don't know what it will be, but something will smell like death around Defiance, Ohio.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2009, 11:26:11 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 17, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
but something will smell like death around Defiance, Ohio.  ;D

It already does.... and thats after DC70's days of eating wings and draft beer while on campus
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 17, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2009, 11:26:11 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 17, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
but something will smell like death around Defiance, Ohio.  ;D

It already does.... and thats after DC70's days of eating wings and draft beer while on campus

And I always thought the olfactory offense down on Second Street emanated from the John Mansville facility or the county jail's "mystery meat" buffet...  ;D :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2009, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 17, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2009, 11:26:11 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 17, 2009, 11:20:06 AM
but something will smell like death around Defiance, Ohio.  ;D

It already does.... and thats after DC70's days of eating wings and draft beer while on campus

And I always thought the olfactory offense down on Second Street emanated from the John Mansville facility or the county jail's "mystery meat" buffet...  ;D :D

cave2bens (Big B):

Good grief - that sounds undelishously disgusting! :o ::) :P ;D :o  "Mystey meet buffet" sounds very similar to the "Chef's surprise" that was always the last couple of days of the last week of each month at Hope College.  It was basically all the leftovers thrown in together for some....you got it...some type of surprise. :o  It was pretty disgusting to see some individual corn kernals floating in some kind of pinkish/cream/yellowed soupy sauce and other weird things!  Sorry, but I just had to throw that in there as your post brought up some rather unpleasant memories of the cafeteria at Hope!  (This was, of course, non-football non-training table).

BTW, hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 17, 2009, 08:12:03 PM
All is well in Grizzlyville.  Nice bye week to get ready and give Trine a festive and heartfelt welcome next Saturday.  According to the local rag here in Franklin, Coach Leonard is quoted as nearing an "administrative decision" related to QB.  My prediction is Kyle Ray.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 17, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Griz:

Think that Coach Leonard might offer consultant services to Coach Taylor?   ???



formerD3:

Down here, that pinkish concoction is revered as Brunswick Stew  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 17, 2009, 09:23:40 PM
Here is some advice.  Don't schedule Butler in football or basketball!  LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2009, 11:37:53 AM
I had a parent describe my English class as ludicrous and insist that I am some type of educational degenerate because I am teaching English and do not have the attention span to read a Stephen King novel myself. I am also making the class up as I go and her child can already do the work we are doing. I mean, he only has a 70% in the class and has failed his last 3 quizzes.


My fault for being honest with parents and explaining that I am a math teacher and am teaching English to help the school...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 18, 2009, 12:13:22 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2009, 11:37:53 AM
I had a parent describe my English class as ludicrous and insist that I am some type of educational degenerate because I am teaching English and do not have the attention span to read a Stephen King novel myself. I am also making the class up as I go and her child can already do the work we are doing. I mean, he only has a 70% in the class and has failed his last 3 quizzes.


My fault for being honest with parents and explaining that I am a math teacher and am teaching English to help the school...

sounds like the typical stuck-up Hyde Park house wife
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
It's better than that. She's from Kentucky and was a former HS English teacher herself. I had to look up 4 words from her email because I didn't know what they meant  ;D

She apparently doesn't like humor. The history teacher gave them a funny quote during "Meet the Teacher Night" and she was appalled that he was being funny instead of sharing his educational pedagogy with the parents. This lady is wound tighter than a smurf's a$$.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 18, 2009, 04:33:54 PM
Arent O lineman supposed to the smartest guys on the team? Haha
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 18, 2009, 09:34:16 PM
Yeah, but our O-line language consisted of terms such as Bud/Budlight, Cock/D!ck, Mooseknuckle, Snakebite, etc. :)

I'm a math guru, but I hate english. I hated taking it in HS and I dislike teaching it in HS. I am doing it to help the school.


Reading high school here in Cincinnati has a 6'4" WR. He's not the most athletic kid in the world, but he does catch the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2009, 02:47:57 PM
Waynesburg 9
Thomas More 37. 2nd Qiarter
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2009, 03:53:30 PM
47-9.. Start of 4th.  Great game for Thomas More
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2009, 04:11:26 PM
Waynesburg finally moving the ball on Thomas Mores #2s.. And #6 did a nice flip into end zone.   Yet another undisciplined Shepas team.  47-17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2009, 04:13:15 PM
Trine 40 DC 9

got no details outside of the spanking in the score
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 19, 2009, 04:21:37 PM
2TD on TMC 2nd team.. 47-24 Dawson looked god awful until TMC put in the reserves.  Oh well, Saints are healthy and look out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 19, 2009, 09:33:06 PM
QuoteTrine 40 DC 9 got no details outside of the spanking in the score

No offense for DC and Trine did pretty much whatever it felt like on offense with almost 500 yards. DC's only touchdown came in garbage time for the second straight week. The Jackets haven't scored a meaningful touchdown since week one against Muskingum.

DC defense couldn't get off the field on third down. It's going to be a long year for the Jackets unless a miracle happens and the offense finds a way to move the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 20, 2009, 12:17:28 AM
I know how you feel up at Defiance. Our WR can't block and if things were up to me, I'd run our offense until someome quit the team. It has gotten that bad for me. I think our kids really dont care if they win. They just want to say they came close. It's making me f*ckin sick. We ran the ball for 150 today and still got our assess kicked. The only bonus is we figured out or sophomore TB is the real deal. I f*ckin hate losing. I'd cut my pinky off if it meant going 10-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 20, 2009, 10:54:52 PM
Another dismal performance by DC. I take back every complimentary thing I said in Week One because it was obviously a fluke performance. If you get 40 put on you, you obviously don't have a D that's much better than your O. Good grief! I'm glad I had to miss watching the game. I would've ended up smashing my computer. I think it's time for a blood transfusion at DC. There ain't much life left in what's there. You sure can tell all of P's guys are gone. Like my old buddy Bob says, DC needs to get off its wallet and its duff and start looking outside the neighborhood if they want to stay competitive. Not a single guy from Florida on the roster. One (Quarterback???) from Georgia and everyone else from the same general vicinity as DC. Can you say lazy recruiting or what? I mean, why don't we just announce that we're aiming for mediocrity and be done with it? >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 20, 2009, 11:59:32 PM
My candor (reg. DC) has irked a couple of admin types/trustees during the last couple of months, Joe, so please allow a slight re-wording of your well-conceived rant as applicable to the whole of "North Clinton Street High School..."  As stated to the aforementioned parties in a slightly more eloquent structure than expressed below:

DC needs to get off of her collective, flatulent duff and regain competitiveness across the board to fill her "empty" wallet.  McMaster monies and subjective interpretation of presumed kudos (ie "spin") won't retain viability forever...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 21, 2009, 08:26:05 AM
No doubt about it, the Jackets aren't very competitive and have been taking behind the woodshed each of the last two weeks for a spanking. :-[ They haven't beat a team that ended the season with a winning record since October of 2007 (Rose and Andy).  >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 21, 2009, 11:27:44 AM
The HCAC has a game with title implications this week between MSJ and RHIT.  The Mount's offense is much better than last year's, but RHIT is putting up points in bunches. This game, if MSJ's defense doesn't show up, could be a FC-style shootout.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 21, 2009, 11:40:26 AM
QuoteThe HCAC has a game with title implications this week between MSJ and RHIT.  The Mount's offense is much better than last year's, but RHIT is putting up points in bunches. This game, if MSJ's defense doesn't show up, could be a FC-style shootout.

Sayer, sounds like "Mustard Mania" in Delhi. Where'd this kid come from?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 21, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 21, 2009, 11:40:26 AM
QuoteThe HCAC has a game with title implications this week between MSJ and RHIT.  The Mount's offense is much better than last year's, but RHIT is putting up points in bunches. This game, if MSJ's defense doesn't show up, could be a FC-style shootout.

Sayer, sounds like "Mustard Mania" in Delhi. Where'd this kid come from?

Curious as well, Adam.  The MSJ contingent has remained very quiet thusfar and playing "close to the vest."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 22, 2009, 06:31:45 AM
I want to say he transferred in from Miami (OH) or at least that's what I was told. Regardless, MSJ hasn't had a QB start out the year like this in a long time, if ever.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 22, 2009, 07:04:14 AM
QuoteI want to say he transferred in from Miami (OH) or at least that's what I was told. Regardless, MSJ hasn't had a QB start out the year like this in a long time, if ever.

Not sure I'd recognize this year's addition of the Lions. Nearly 3-to-1 in passing yards to rushing yards!!!! ??? Rod hasn't had that type of offensive explosion since Rashon was chucking the pigskin around the yard.  ;)

MSJ looks scary offensively thus far and I'm not sure they're going to face a superb defense in the HCAC this year that will shut them down, so they're going to score lots of points to go along with a traditionally strong defense.

Is there any doubt the HCAC is a 3-way race with Mount, Franklin and Rose and we'll find out this weekend if RHIT can contend with the other two? I don't see those three losing to anyone in the league except against each other. How pitiful is the league this year outside of those three teams with the rest of the league a combined 1-13? That one win is Defiance's over a not very good Muskingum team. Plus lowly Earlham's beat Manchester and Anderson ... Ouch.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 22, 2009, 06:31:45 AM
I want to say he transferred in from Miami (OH) or at least that's what I was told. Regardless, MSJ hasn't had a QB start out the year like this in a long time, if ever.

and transferred from Georgetown College (KY)...  don't leave that out.  


and yes... there hasn't been a QB playing this well to start the season since TJ Hilvert in 1995.  I know my MSJ history... MSJ has some weapons around this kid and more of a winning attitude than the 1995 team, who came into the Bridge Bowl just hoping to keep the game close.  

I'm looking forward to the 2009 Bridge Bowl --- if both teams can keep it up.

** to be fair... its not really like MSJ is trying to keep this a secret, they just have an SID who doesn't do much.  This was my big complaint when MSJ started getting good and went from 0-10 to 10-0 in four years... they didn't capitalize on it, media-wise, as much as they should have. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2009, 08:28:28 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 22, 2009, 07:04:14 AM
How pitiful is the league this year outside of those three teams with the rest of the league a combined 1-13? That one win is Defiance's over a not very good Muskingum team. Plus lowly Earlham's beat Manchester and Anderson ... Ouch.

You're right... its been a long time since the conference was this crappy, outside of those three teams.  Maybe its never been this bad.  I couldn't believe what Earlham did to Manchester United and Anderson. 

I think MSJ wins the HCAC after a showdown with Franklin.  The conference play is going to hurt Mount St Joe or RHIT, if they make the dance this year though.  Not enough competition late in the season, especially if MSJ wins the conference and then tries to stay healthy in the game with Thomas More.. like they did in Mike Hallett's last year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 22, 2009, 08:30:58 AM
Quoteand transferred from Georgetown College (KY)...  don't leave that out.

Seems like a lot of transferring to only be a junior   ???

No doubt the mount could promote things a ton better. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 22, 2009, 08:30:58 AM
Quoteand transferred from Georgetown College (KY)...  don't leave that out.

Seems like a lot of transferring to only be a junior   ???

No doubt the mount could promote things a ton better. 

at least he doesn't have the attitude of Sayer's buddy, Rashon. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 22, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN

quote]at least he doesn't have the attitude of Sayer's buddy, Rashon.

I was beginning to worry for a sec considering their flip flopping of institutions is eerily similar. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 22, 2009, 11:36:46 AM
Rashon and I were about as close as a fat woman to a vegetable tray.

As much as I would like to take the "scenic" trip to Terra Haute, I am unable. The difference in this game will be MSJ's defense. If they play well, MSJ wins. If they do not, MSJ loses. Greenville proved that RHIT's offense can be stopped.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 22, 2009, 11:37:59 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 22, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN

quote]at least he doesn't have the attitude of Sayer's buddy, Rashon.

I was beginning to worry for a sec considering their flip flopping of institutions is eerily similar.  


Shades of the "Tuna Trot," "Brown Break Dance," "Saban Shuffle," and "Petrino Pirouette."   ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2009, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 22, 2009, 11:36:46 AM
Rashon and I were about as close as a fat woman to a vegetable tray.

As much as I would like to take the "scenic" trip to Terra Haute, I am unable. The difference in this game will be MSJ's defense. If they play well, MSJ wins. If they do not, MSJ loses. Greenville proved that RHIT's offense can be stopped.

and if thats the same Greenville that I remember, thats a harbinger that RHIT will NOT be in the race after Saturday's game for the HCAC Title. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 22, 2009, 12:47:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2009, 12:07:49 PM


and if thats the same Greenville that I remember, thats a harbinger that RHIT will NOT be in the race after Saturday's game for the HCAC Title. 



While not wishing to be quoting Corso, "Not so fast my friend" might be appropriate.  Greenville might be somewhat legit this year with their only loss at Rock Island to Augie and a pitched shutout/shutdown of Wash- St Lou (though after the Witt beatdown, the Bears seem growl-less) in addition to taking RHIT.

The relative strengths/weaknesses of the HCAC should be more exposed after the weekend games at Terre Haute and Franklin.  The only "for sures," at this point seem to be the incompetence of DC and Bluffton.  ::) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 22, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
cave don't short change Hanover Manchester and Anderson they are right there with DC and bluffton
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 22, 2009, 08:51:30 PM
Dang, where'd my post from yesterday go? I must've hit the wrong key. I've been saying since RHIT came into the HCAC they they'd be a force to be reckoned with one day. Jackets Backer, I'm putting my money on a two way split between Franklin and RHIT but I would not be hugely surprised to see RHIT take the whole enchilada.

DC should go out and buy the Jackets toe rings to wear. They sure as shootin' ain't gonna win one to wear on their fingers with this team or staff.

Sayer, you should've been here weekend before last. My boys and I went back water fishing off Little Tiger Island across the harbor from us. Trey hooked up a sea trout that looked like a baby alligator. Must've been 12-15 lb. Foul hooked him and I missed with the net and we lost him. Daddy nearly got filleted for that booboo.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 22, 2009, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 22, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
cave don't short change Hanover Manchester and Anderson they are right there with DC and bluffton

True enough, 70 - Earlham best be careful or they'll play themselves right out of a favorable, October vote, eh?  ;)

Toe rings?  With little serpentine, ankle bracelets in 10K electroplate to compliment the ensemble, JF?  ;D :D  BTW, great pirate look - anticipating a fishing adventure bar none with you as skipper, mate!

Wonder what happened to my Bruce Campbell avatar - too old and not technologically adept enough to come up with my own, dangnabbit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 22, 2009, 10:14:06 PM
Oh, touche, Robert. Mayhap they can replace their letter jackets with purple and gold tutus.
I'm thinking of trading in my old avatar for one of my pirate photos. How do I do it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2009, 12:50:09 AM
If you put your photo online somewhere you can then grab the URL for the image (it would start with http:// and probably end with .jpg) and use it in the spot for your avatar.

I think most posters favor photobucket -- it must be the easiest to use.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 23, 2009, 07:32:30 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan
I've been saying since RHIT came into the HCAC they they'd be a force to be reckoned with one day. Jackets Backer, I'm putting my money on a two way split between Franklin and RHIT but I would not be hugely surprised to see RHIT take the whole enchilada.

DC should go out and buy the Jackets toe rings to wear. They sure as shootin' ain't gonna win one to wear on their fingers with this team or staff.

Joe, hopefully the Jackets can win another one. Luckily the rest of the league, with the exception of MSJ, RHIT and Grizz, is simply terrible. I think it's a bit too early to crown any of the three HCAC champions. All  three really haven't played a big-time team out of conference. Franklin's win at B-W is probably the HCAC's top victory, but nothing to brag about.

we'll find out this Saturday if RHIT's for real. They've got a great chance looking them in the eye with MSJ coming to town. I like the Lions however in a close one from what Sayer's been saying. The Mount finally has a QB to go along with that nasty D.

Franklin will get a real test with Trine. Trine's won something like 14 or 15 regular season games in a row and have something going. I thought they struggled defending the pass Saturday against DC. The Jackets had a very high completion percentage 32 of 45. That's troubling for a defense to give up that many completions to DC. Maybe they were playing very vanilla defensively with the lead but they didn't put much pressure on the QB.

I saw bits and pieces of Franklin's win at B-W. Looked like they could still chuck it all over the field. Plus they still have plenty of buffet busters returning on the o-line. I think the Grizz avenge the loss last year in Angola.

Looks like the HCAC comes down to an Oct. 24 showdown in south-central part of the Hoosier State.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
RHIT's got me a little worried. I know their 1st 2 games were against doormats, but regardless, they put up over 100 points. Greenville is a better football team but they won't be knocking on the playoff door by any means. I worry that RHIT may have 'overlooked' them and weren't prepared. All teams have a slip up and I worry that RHIT's offense will be fine tuned for this game. Even if it is, I still think they key will be MSJ's defense. If MSJ's defense is prepared and plays well (they have had 2 weeks to prepare for this game), MSJ wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 23, 2009, 08:15:27 PM
Thanks, Pat. I'm a technotard and it'll take me a month of Sundays to figure this out without one of my kids here to walk me through it. I did manage to put the photos on photobucket. I just can't figure out how to get one to here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2009, 10:56:09 PM
If you want to send me a link to the pic you want to use, I can get it taken care of.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2009, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
RHIT's got me a little worried. I know their 1st 2 games were against doormats, but regardless, they put up over 100 points. Greenville is a better football team but they won't be knocking on the playoff door by any means. I worry that RHIT may have 'overlooked' them and weren't prepared. All teams have a slip up and I worry that RHIT's offense will be fine tuned for this game. Even if it is, I still think they key will be MSJ's defense. If MSJ's defense is prepared and plays well (they have had 2 weeks to prepare for this game), MSJ wins.

this saturday the truth will be told with regard to who is king of the HCAC.  If FC takes care of businesss with Trine (I think they will) then the crown stays where it is.  MSJ and RHIT is going to be a war IMO. I really think RHIT will prevail (outscore MSJ in a close one).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 24, 2009, 12:48:56 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2009, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
RHIT's got me a little worried. I know their 1st 2 games were against doormats, but regardless, they put up over 100 points. Greenville is a better football team but they won't be knocking on the playoff door by any means. I worry that RHIT may have 'overlooked' them and weren't prepared. All teams have a slip up and I worry that RHIT's offense will be fine tuned for this game. Even if it is, I still think they key will be MSJ's defense. If MSJ's defense is prepared and plays well (they have had 2 weeks to prepare for this game), MSJ wins.

this saturday the truth will be told with regard to who is king of the HCAC.  If FC takes care of businesss with Trine (I think they will) then the crown stays where it is.  MSJ and RHIT is going to be a war IMO. I really think RHIT will prevail (outscore MSJ in a close one).

Griz- I think that is wishful thinking about the RHIT game.  I could be wrong but MSJ is looking pretty good & if their qb is the real deal & their D is the same as usual they will take this one.  RHIT still has yet to prove anything yet based upon their past nonconference contenders plus their lack of domination in HCAC action over the years too.  I do think they have improved, but I don't know if they are a true contender yet.
In regard to Franklin, I hope they wipe up Trine big time to give the HCAC a quality win.  I don't think the loss against Butler should be held against what kind of team they are.  Butler has been building a quality program in the DI FCS ranks & should stop playing DIII schools when their contracts are up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2009, 07:16:04 AM
Has been,
you might right with regards to rhit. They were supposed to good last year an FC popped them pretty  good.  This is going to be good weekend for HCAC football.  Speculation and theory time is over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2009, 08:37:24 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2009, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
RHIT's got me a little worried. I know their 1st 2 games were against doormats, but regardless, they put up over 100 points. Greenville is a better football team but they won't be knocking on the playoff door by any means. I worry that RHIT may have 'overlooked' them and weren't prepared. All teams have a slip up and I worry that RHIT's offense will be fine tuned for this game. Even if it is, I still think they key will be MSJ's defense. If MSJ's defense is prepared and plays well (they have had 2 weeks to prepare for this game), MSJ wins.

this saturday the truth will be told with regard to who is king of the HCAC.  If FC takes care of businesss with Trine (I think they will) then the crown stays where it is.  MSJ and RHIT is going to be a war IMO. I really think RHIT will prevail (outscore MSJ in a close one).


I'm rooting for MSJ and Trine.... EF Rose Hulman...  I actually want MSJ to win the conference this season, so Thomas More has another reason to bring it in the Bridge Bowl ---- and besides the 25 other reasons most of which happened last year. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 24, 2009, 11:26:33 AM
You need to update your signature...TMC won the Bridge Bowl in 2008, yet you don't have it listed. Someone might think MSJ won that game in the cold rain  ;D

I wondered how long it would take until we had a Bridge Bowl where MSJ and TMC were both 9-0. I think we've only had 1 where both teams were over .500.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 24, 2009, 11:26:33 AM
You need to update your signature...TMC won the Bridge Bowl in 2008, yet you don't have it listed. Someone might think MSJ won that game in the cold rain  ;D

I wondered how long it would take until we had a Bridge Bowl where MSJ and TMC were both 9-0. I think we've only had 1 where both teams were over .500.

Sayer:

That would be a fantastic game to see i.e. Bridge Bow with undefeated teams and one that you and SaintsFAN would absolutely have to attend.  If such a situation were ever to occur, do you think that there would be a huge record crowd?  I would hope so.  Anyway, such rivalries are great, especially for two schools that are close enought to "throw stones at each other across the big river".  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 25, 2009, 09:20:55 PM
Doc Todd, how are you? I haven't heard from you in a month of Sundays. I can't remember which of us owes the other the next e-mail it's been so long. Bob says you might be coming down this way. True?

Pat, thanks for the offer. Now I can't find the photo. It's in this infernal machine somewhere. Where are my damn sons and daughters in law when I need them?

If a computer crashes in the middle of a room in a state far away and there's no one there to hear it except the one who blew a hole in it with a .45-caliber pistol, does it make a sound?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCACBluff on September 26, 2009, 02:37:03 AM
New to this site and the HCAC. What is your outlook on the HCAC teams this year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2009, 11:22:55 AM
Welcome -- we don't have nearly enough Bluffton posters. Darryl?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 26, 2009, 02:07:54 PM
Trine 13 FC 10 half
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
RHIT & MSJ in a shootout. 45-38 with about 4:30 left.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2009, 05:05:25 PM
If you would have told me MSJ would give up 21 points in the 1st quarter, I would have said they would be blown out. They bounced back nicely in the 2nd taking a 31-21 lead into halftime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2009, 05:07:34 PM
RHIT's ball, starting at their own 35, down 7, with 1:13 to play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
MSJ intercepts the pass and wins the game. MSJ finishes with 541 yards of total offense and 5 rushing TD's. Looks like they can finally light up the scoreboard in Delhi.

Terrelle Pryor - ZERO pass yards in the first half (he's 0/2)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
Not enough defense in Delhi.. They win it with offense?  Who are these masked men?

Score for Franklin please.. I can't get on the scoreboard because I'm using my crackberry while on a date. 

PS.. She's really hot.  Score one for the fat retired QB!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 26, 2009, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
Not enough defense in Delhi.. They win it with offense?  Who are these masked men?

Score for Franklin please.. I can't get on the scoreboard because I'm using my crackberry while on a date. 

PS.. She's really hot.  Score one for the fat retired QB!

Griz 30  Trine 29
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2009, 09:25:12 PM
Good win for Franklin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 27, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2009, 09:25:12 PM
Good win for Franklin. 
Thanks for the props Saints FAN.  I see that TM is quietly putting themselves in position to enter the Top 25 and make another run in the PAC.

All wins are good and FC did a nice job in the last 18 minutes or so of moving the ball.  Exciting game.  While each team is focused on the next game, this was an important win for FC if they are able to win the HCAC.  If FC had lost and then made the playoffs, a low seed and road game would also be assured.

Trine is a very good football team on both sides of the ball.  Their QB was nearly unstoppable.  I haven't seen the stats but he had to have had well in excess of 100 yards rushing.  His athletic ability along with solid o-line play was difficult to handle.

Franklin started Kyle Wray and he played into the third quarter until he injured his ankle (not severe).  At that point he had really struggled. Purichia came in and it was night and day.  The passes were crisp and on target and he ran the ball well.  Defensively, FC really had no answer for Trine's QB.  Trine is also big on both lines.

Trine was driving late in the third leading 23-10 and things looked dire for FC.  Trine was flagged for holding and was forced to punt and FC roared back and scored making the score 23-17.  FC held again came back and scored and took the lead 24-23.  Trine went down and scored and failed the two point conversion and the score was 29-23 with approx 3 minutes left.  FC scored again and held Trine off for the win.  Wild second half for sure.

Part of FC's issues may have been the two-week stretch between games.  FC just looked sluggish on both sides of the ball.  FC moves on for another home game next week with Defiance. 

Good win for the MSJ Lions on the road.  It appears that MSJ is doing what they intended to do with the offensive changes.  10/24 looks like it could be a real shoot-out.  Glad it is at FC.  Lot of football to be played before then though.  FC has Defiance, Bluffton, and Anderson prior to that game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
I prefer TMC to stay under the radar.  1st team defense and regular rotations have only given up 7 points in 2009.  The backups have played the entire 4th quarter of the last two games and have given up two garbage tds late in each game.. I don't mind this at all.  Makes the score of each game look more respectable and will help keep us under the radar. 

The offense gets the headlines as they score seemingly at will on ground and efficiently through the air.  QB hasn't thrown an int.. But the defense is nasty.  Particularly against the run.  Again, stats don't show how they have done vs the pass, but the defense is the strength of the team, IMO.. And that's saying something because of the offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on September 27, 2009, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: HCACBluff on September 26, 2009, 02:37:03 AM
New to this site and the HCAC. What is your outlook on the HCAC teams this year?
Welcome.

My outlook looks like 2 remaining games will decide the champion(s).  Both involve Franklin in back-to-back weekends against MSJ and RHIT at the end of October.  After that, I think it's Defiance, Manchester, and Anderson fighting for the middle.  Hanover and Bluffton at the bottom.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2009, 06:38:24 PM
Quote from: altor on September 27, 2009, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: HCACBluff on September 26, 2009, 02:37:03 AM
New to this site and the HCAC. What is your outlook on the HCAC teams this year?
Welcome.

My outlook looks like 2 remaining games will decide the champion(s).  Both involve Franklin in back-to-back weekends against MSJ and RHIT at the end of October.  After that, I think it's Defiance, Manchester, and Anderson fighting for the middle.  Hanover and Bluffton at the bottom.

I think it's more like DC, Man U, Anderson, Hanover, and Bluffton are fighting for the Old Milwaukee while MSJ, RHIT, and FC are playing for the Michelob.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2009, 10:04:14 PM
How about Pierre Garcon? Blew by Rodgers-Cromartie for a TD. Seriously...was there anyone who honestly watched film of MUC last year and thought they could cover him????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Nobody worried about having to cover him at MUC last year.  He was a rookie for Colts in 08.  I agree with your basic premise though.

For you Defiance grads, "premise" is just another way of saying "idea".

You're welcome
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on September 28, 2009, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2009, 11:22:55 AM
Welcome -- we don't have nearly enough Bluffton posters. Darryl?

I'm out here -- just don't have a lot of time to post (or read, for that matter).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 29, 2009, 06:43:52 AM
My only question this week is will the Griz put 50 on the Jackets? I'd be surprised if they don't get 40, but maybe Leonard will call off the dogs early.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 29, 2009, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 29, 2009, 06:43:52 AM
My only question this week is will the Griz put 50 on the Jackets? I'd be surprised if they don't get 40, but maybe Leonard will call off the dogs early.

Considering this isn't DI and coaches don't need to impress the pollsters, I think he will call off the dogs if it gets that bad...unless DC's offense finally finds their identity and the score is 40-35. I think DC's offense will score some points. FC hasn't shown they are a great defense. If DC doesn't....well, I'm sure you can use your imagination for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 29, 2009, 08:19:52 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Nobody worried about having to cover him at MUC last year.  He was a rookie for Colts in 08.  I agree with your basic premise though.

You're a d!ck...always raining on my parade. It's Charlie Weis not Charlie Weiss, Garcon played 2 years ago, not last year. I ought to pimp slap you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 29, 2009, 08:21:54 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 29, 2009, 08:19:52 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Nobody worried about having to cover him at MUC last year.  He was a rookie for Colts in 08.  I agree with your basic premise though.

You're a d!ck...always raining on my parade. It's Charlie Weis not Charlie Weiss, Garcon played 2 years ago, not last year. I ought to pimp slap you.

I don't look at it as raining on your parade... i'm just making sure you keep it real .. haha
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 29, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 29, 2009, 08:17:14 AM

Considering this isn't DI and coaches don't need to impress the pollsters, I think he will call off the dogs if it gets that bad...unless DC's offense finally finds their identity and the score is 40-35. I think DC's offense will score some points. FC hasn't shown they are a great defense. If DC doesn't....well, I'm sure you can use your imagination for the remainder of the season.

They've only scored a measly 38 all  year and all but 18 of those came in garbage time with the game already decided. They scored 13 legitimate points against Musky, then the D scored a safety against Adrian before the O scored two touchdowns against AC's backups late. At Trine, DC marched the opening possession for a field goal and then were shutout till the fourth against Trine's backups. That's 18 meaningful points, including a bucket by  the defense, with the game still undecided this fall. Plus with the injuries in the backfield, I don't see how this can't be a long trip to Franklin for the Jackets.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2009, 11:54:43 AM
So I am a complete idiot.....

My wife's car was really low on gas. I figured that the fuel pump wasn't sucking up any fuel because the gas level was too low. I put a little water in the gas tank thinking that, though water and gas don't mix into 1 solution, the pump would suck up both and the water would burn off as the gas was fed through the engine and I would be able to make it the 1 mile to the gas station. I probably should have known better, but I remembered a buddy, who works at a gas station, mentioning that some stations add water to their gasoline. Hence, where my idea came from.


To say the beginning of my day sucked is an understatement.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2009, 11:54:43 AM
So I am a complete idiot.....

My wife's car was really low on gas. I figured that the fuel pump wasn't sucking up any fuel because the gas level was too low. I put a little water in the gas tank thinking that, though water and gas don't mix into 1 solution, the pump would suck up both and the water would burn off as the gas was fed through the engine and I would be able to make it the 1 mile to the gas station. I probably should have known better, but I remembered a buddy, who works at a gas station, mentioning that some stations add water to their gasoline. Hence, where my idea came from.


To say the beginning of my day sucked is an understatement.

haha... so what happened??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
A guy pulled behind me while I was pushing Lindsey car and helped me to the gas station. He was a Purcell grad and his whole family (also Purcell grads) owns a mechanic shop in Pleasant Ridge called Donovan's. They put a solution into the tank to evaporate the water and the car is now good to go...only $87 was the damage.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 30, 2009, 03:51:43 PM
Hopefully you understand a playbook better than the combined properties of water and fire!  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2009, 03:53:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
A guy pulled behind me while I was pushing Lindsey car and helped me to the gas station. He was a Purcell grad and his whole family (also Purcell grads) owns a mechanic shop in Pleasant Ridge called Donovan's. They put a solution into the tank to evaporate the water and the car is now good to go...only $87 was the damage.

Knucklehead of the day.  Ladies and gents... this fine fellow is educating the youth of America and completed his schooling at Deer Park HS, The College of Mount St. Joseph and is finishing his masters at Xavier. 


Thats an expensive tank of gas... I don't let the tank get below 1/4 full because I don't want to end up in a situation like that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 30, 2009, 09:21:09 PM
Watch the Grizzlies host Defiance on the Web
FRANKLIN, Ind. – The Grizzlies' Oct. 3 home football game with Defiance College will be available to fans as a live stream broadcast on the Internet. This will mark the first time the college has ventured into the presentation of a live sports event in cyberspace!

HomeTown Sports Indiana, a video production company, will provide the coverage. On game day, fans can find a link to the broadcast on the homepage of the Franklin College Web site, www.franklincollege.edu, or can access the production by going to www.hometownsportsindiana.com or by going to www.livestream.com/hometownsportsindiana.

Anyone with a DSL or better Internet connection, on either a MAC or PC, will be able to watch without cost. The production will begin about 10 minutes prior to the 1:30 p.m. kickoff with a pre-game show hosted by Greg Rakestraw.

Replay broadcasts of the game will be available to Comcast digital cable subscribers at 6 p.m. on Saturday (same day), then at noon and 6 p.m. on Sunday, Oct. 4, and then again at 6 p.m. on Monday, Oct. 5, on a regular Comcast channel. It then will be offered to subscribers within Comcast's On Demand system several days later. HomeTown Sports Indiana's complete college schedule is on the Web at www.hometownsportsindiana.com.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 30, 2009, 11:48:39 PM
Thanks for the "heads up," Griz.  Hometown has done a nice job with the Wabash games over the past two years, and it'll prove a nice addition for Franklin College fans. 

The commentators for DC's home feeds have been pretty good as well - better than many of the network, talking heads.  Unfortunately, the Jackets haven't shown similar prowess.  This will provide a bonus opportunity for JacketsFan to kill his monitor and enrich the cardio staff in Fernandina Beach.   ;D  Poodle bites - poodle chews it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2009, 11:51:45 AM
The only time I had my playbook opened in college was when we had to have it at meetings...and it was opened for show. I learned why plays were designed and ran the way they were rather than...this is an Iso, here is who you block. When you understand the purpose, how defenses react to situations, and the structure of various defenses...you can do a lot more than "block the iso." There is a reason why we were only required to take 1 scouting report quiz my junior & senior years :)

I also learned better when I could see the diagram in action (i.e. on the field) rather than in diagrams on a sheet of paper. All the X's and O's, lines, arrows, etc. was a pain in the a$$. My mind also tends to be a steel trap when I actually pay attention to something (unlike my wife who thinks I am coming down with Alzheimers) :) However, I still have a hard time remembering names. I can remember all the useless information in the world, but names get me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 01, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2009, 03:53:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
A guy pulled behind me while I was pushing Lindsey car and helped me to the gas station. He was a Purcell grad and his whole family (also Purcell grads) owns a mechanic shop in Pleasant Ridge called Donovan's. They put a solution into the tank to evaporate the water and the car is now good to go...only $87 was the damage.

Knucklehead of the day.  Ladies and gents... this fine fellow is educating the youth of America and completed his schooling at Deer Park HS, The College of Mount St. Joseph and is finishing his masters at Xavier. 


Thats an expensive tank of gas... I don't let the tank get below 1/4 full because I don't want to end up in a situation like that.

And you are trying to explain "premise" to DC grads...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 01, 2009, 08:29:37 PM
Sayer had a "premise".  A false premise but a premise nonetheless.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2009, 08:41:02 PM
Griz Backer gets it, but look where his degree is from. 


Maybe I have some help explaining things to the DC people.. Finally
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 01, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
But I still get no karma.  Saints fan has so much maybe he gives himself karma?? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 02, 2009, 12:23:24 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2009, 11:51:45 AM
I also learned better when I could see the diagram in action (i.e. on the field) rather than in diagrams on a sheet of paper. All the X's and O's, lines, arrows, etc. was a pain in the a$$.

Glad that you were able to apply your learning model, but there is a financial benefit for x's and red lines when operating machinery, Sayer.   ;)  According to Ms. Caves, it isn't early Alzheimers - it's marriage, and the man is usually wrong.  Get used to it.  :D

Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2009, 08:41:02 PM

Maybe I have some help explaining things to the DC people.. Finally

Pleased that a rumored, academic bastion in Crestview equips her charges with specialized course work in stick figure illustration, easing your benevolent efforts on our behalf, SF.  ;D 

@ Griz - No worries about karma as Congress will incorporate a redistribution amendment under Cap and Trade given all the hot air and CO2 spewed on this site.  8)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 02, 2009, 08:09:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 01, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
But I still get no karma.  Saints fan has so much maybe he gives himself karma?? :D

Dont worry you'll get all the Karma you need Sat when the Grizz drop half a 100 in the first half.  but I did give you some for your premise joke pretty funny.

and for sayer the problem wasn't the premise it was the ingredient.   you need a disolvable solid not water so it does mix and add volume...next time use Sugar it seemed to work for Bill Murray in Kingpin
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 02, 2009, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 01, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
But I still get no karma.  Saints fan has so much maybe he gives himself karma?? :D

I was posting from the phone, patience young grasshopper.  karma not able to be given out then.  You'll see that you can't "give yourself karma"... it just comes from people thinking you're a moron, they feel sorry for you and thus send karma.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on October 03, 2009, 02:13:41 PM
FC vs DC game being played live on the web.

http://www.hometownsportsindiana.com/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 03, 2009, 03:23:48 PM
Manchester 10 - RHIT 7 at the half.  Wow.

Franklin 28 - Defiance 7 at the half.  No surprise.  Though DC threw an INT in the endzone at the end of the half and just scored to start the 3rd...this game could be closer.

I can't find updates on the other two games online.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 03, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
Manchester 20 - RHIT 17.  Wow.

Franklin 41 - Defiance 14.

Still no updates on the other two games.  :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 03, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
Damn good win for Manchester. Spartans are playing ball across the Midwest
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 03, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
That's the biggest upset in the HCAC in quite a few years.

TMC and MSJ now 4-0...Bridge Bowl looking interesting. My buddy Josh and I are planning a long drunkening on November 14.

Purcell needs change from top to bottom. When I and the other members on the offensive staff get blamed by the head coach for changing things too much, not sticking to what we do best, not keeping it simple, etc., though it is him and the AD (former head coach) who want us to change from the 'I' to the spread every other week...I've had enough.  Not to mention we were down to a kid with 1 good arm playing center and the 4th string center as his back up, 2 tackles who don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground, and a guard who doesn't care.....As I stated on facebook...give me a MF'ing shotgun!!!!

The best part is, they all talk like there is this miracle play that we need to find that will enable us to score everytime we get the ball. We'd have better luck finding the fountain of youth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 03, 2009, 09:47:31 PM
Hanover must have used my pick of them at the bottom with Bluffton as some bulletin board material.  They put up half a century on Anderson.  Hanover 51-13

Bluffton, however, did not.  MSJ 38-18
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 04, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
DC one game closer to getting their HCAC Toe Rings and Purple and Gold leterman tutus. Woo-hoo! Who woulda thunk it? I heard they even lost the bye last week but have been to embarrassed to publish the results. Bob, what would our friend Frank say?

Dominus Vo-Bisque 'em
Et cum spear a tu tu
Oh!


They're so light and fluffy white
We'll raise a fortune by tonight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 04, 2009, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 04, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
DC one game closer to getting their HCAC Toe Rings and Purple and Gold leterman tutus. Woo-hoo! Who woulda thunk it? I heard they even lost the bye last week but have been to embarrassed to publish the results. Bob, what would our friend Frank say?

Dominus Vo-Bisque 'em
Et cum spear a tu tu
Oh!


They're so light and fluffy white
We'll raise a fortune by tonight


I saw the jackets play yesterday.  If don't know if they are that bad.  They had 3-4 decent drives and made some plays here and there.  I dont think they are the worst team in the HCAC by any means.  That may now be Anderson.  They got whacked pretty bad by Hanover.  FC looked good for most of the day but had some mental lapses in the second quarter IMO.  Defense looked solid and forced several three and outs.  Not a very exciting game.

Manchester may just be for real.  They played Trine to the wire and beat a decent RHIT team.  They gave FC a battle late last season.  Their QB is similar to the Trine QB.  Tall rangy and can run with the ball.  The Spartans should not be taken lightly.

FC has the Beavers on the road in Bluffton next week.  Road tailgate planned as usual. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 04, 2009, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 04, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
DC one game closer to getting their HCAC Toe Rings and Purple and Gold leterman tutus. Woo-hoo! Who woulda thunk it? I heard they even lost the bye last week but have been to embarrassed to publish the results. Bob, what would our friend Frank say?

Dominus Vo-Bisque 'em
Et cum spear a tu tu
Oh!


They're so light and fluffy white
We'll raise a fortune by tonight


Cursory glances of several, waddling OLs, clad in white on Red Faught Field indicate potential need of post season three-threes, designed by Omar the Tentmaker (with deference to lovely Fatima of Ms Old Frothingslosh fame - a whale of an ale for the pale stale male - the beer with the foam on the bottom.

Get up and do the Funky Alphonso...

They're so light and fluffy brown
They're the finest in the town.

Good Morning Your Highness -
ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo;
Good gosh, you're sumptuous
 ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 04, 2009, 08:33:26 PM
Ahhh, Griz-Backer, you're a gentleman, a scholar and a good sport to boot. Alas, your noble defense of DC kind of reminds me of the guy who's trying to get a friend to take his ugly sister on a date. When his friend asks him what she looks like, he launches into a soliloquy about what a great cook she is; how she can grow the prettiest flowers in town in her garden; what a terrific sense of humor she has; how well read  she is, etc., etc. When the friend finally pins him down and says look dammit, quick dodging the question and tell me what she looks like, the ugly woman's brother throws up his hands and asks in exasperation, "Why does everyone insist on getting bogged down on trivial details?" I'm afraid DC is the ugly sister of the HCAC right now, but maybe it'll turn out one of the others is only a single bagger instead of a double bagger. But on the bright side, it does keep cave2bens and I in Frank Zappa material.

...A leprechaun had stroked his
Sma-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ahhh (stroked his smock)
Which set him off in such a frenzy
He sang LOCK AROUND THE CROCK
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 04, 2009, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 04, 2009, 08:33:26 PMI'm afraid DC is the ugly sister of the HCAC right now,
I really don't think it's that bad.  I've still got DC in the middle of the HCAC.  Though, RHIT, Manchester, and Hanover really threw me for a loop this weekend.

Keep in mind that DC's 3 losses are to two likely conference champions and a likely 2nd place team.  That win over Muskingum looks better since the Muskies stayed with ONU this weekend.  Three of Muskingum's losses are to top 25 teams (though I question ONU as a top 25 team).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2009, 07:55:29 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 03, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
That's the biggest upset in the HCAC in quite a few years.

TMC and MSJ now 4-0...Bridge Bowl looking interesting. My buddy Josh and I are planning a long drunkening on November 14.



how long have I been telling you this?  i hope MSJ is deep... because the Saints are.  The only constants are the QB and LBs... everyone else rotates.  Hilvert has done a pretty sick job of recruiting Cincy, as you knew he would. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2009, 11:49:09 AM
Telling me what? MSJ & TMC were going to be good??? As soon as Hilvert was named as their HC, I knew in a couple years they would be good. MSJ has bounced back nicely after a disappointing 2008 season. The only 2 things between MSJ and TMC  entering that game 9-0 (barring anything unforeseen) are the Presidents and Grizzlies.

Speaking of which, when and where is the TMC/W & J game this year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2009, 11:57:17 AM
Northern Teams in DIII Top 25 (In order of appearance)
1. Mount Union
2. Wheaton
3. Case Western Reserve
4. Wabash
5. Otterbein
6. North Central
7. Ohio Northern
8. Capital
9. Franklin
10. Thomas More

Other Northern Teams with 0 or 1 loss & 4 wins (In nor particular order).
1. Illinois Wesleyan
2. MSJ
3. Carnegie Mellon
4. Wittenberg
***No one from the MIAA applies, but their conference champ would be in the playoffs.


The next 6 weeks will be an interesting affair.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 04, 2009, 08:33:26 PM
Ahhh, Griz-Backer, you're a gentleman, a scholar and a good sport to boot. Alas, your noble defense of DC kind of reminds me of the guy who's trying to get a friend to take his ugly sister on a date. When his friend asks him what she looks like, he launches into a soliloquy about what a great cook she is; how she can grow the prettiest flowers in town in her garden; what a terrific sense of humor she has; how well read  she is, etc., etc. When the friend finally pins him down and says look dammit, quick dodging the question and tell me what she looks like, the ugly woman's brother throws up his hands and asks in exasperation, "Why does everyone insist on getting bogged down on trivial details?" I'm afraid DC is the ugly sister of the HCAC right now, but maybe it'll turn out one of the others is only a single bagger instead of a double bagger. But on the bright side, it does keep cave2bens and I in Frank Zappa material.

...A leprechaun had stroked his
Sma-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah
Ahhh (stroked his smock)
Which set him off in such a frenzy
He sang LOCK AROUND THE CROCK



I did forget to add:  She sews all her own clothes and doesn't sweat much for a fat girl!  Saints Fan might still date her ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2009, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2009, 11:49:09 AM
Telling me what? MSJ & TMC were going to be good??? As soon as Hilvert was named as their HC, I knew in a couple years they would be good. MSJ has bounced back nicely after a disappointing 2008 season. The only 2 things between MSJ and TMC  entering that game 9-0 (barring anything unforeseen) are the Presidents and Grizzlies.

Speaking of which, when and where is the TMC/W & J game this year?

When you chided me for saying this is a strong, strong TMC team.  Probably top 3 ever at the school as far as talent goes. 


The W&J game is in PA this year on October 31st. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2009, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
I did forget to add:  She sews all her own clothes and doesn't sweat much for a fat girl!  Saints Fan might still date her ;D


"the thing about bigger girls....is, they do more stuff.."   Sean William Scott as "Wheeler" in Role Models



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 05, 2009, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2009, 11:57:17 AM
Northern Teams in DIII Top 25 (In order of appearance)
1. Mount Union
2. Wheaton
3. Case Western Reserve
4. Wabash
5. Otterbein
6. North Central
7. Ohio Northern
8. Capital
9. Franklin
10. Thomas More

Other Northern Teams with 0 or 1 loss & 4 wins (In nor particular order).
1. Illinois Wesleyan
2. MSJ
3. Carnegie Mellon
4. Wittenberg
***No one from the MIAA applies, but their conference champ would be in the playoffs.


The next 6 weeks will be an interesting affair.

While Trine of the MIAA has only 3 wins so far (and, thus, does not qualify for your list), you might want to add them anyway.  They went 10-0 last year, and will likely finish 9-1 this year, with their only loss being by ONE point AT Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
With the exception of 1 team, the whole CCIW is 3-1 also.  Definitely makes for an interesting 2nd half of the year.

I knew TMC would be good. Are they as good as you think, only time will tell. The W & J game will determine a lot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 05, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
The other thing about fat girls is that you have to roll them around in flour to find their, ah, never mind.

Altor, you are the eternal optimist. I've been to the mountain top with DC and then shoved off the summit so many times now I stopped counting. Until they're no longer satisfied to be a middle of the pack team, they will never amount to much of anything. T had his chances to build a championship team with the recruiting classes that P brought in. He also had a damn genius of a defensive coordinator in Adam Baumgartner and a formidable O-line coach in John Prinz. Then he bet the house on a QB who had a deadly arm as long as the receivers wore the opposing jerseys and blew a game to WomanChester that would've been a conference ring for his team and a much needed shot in the arm for the program. The dog and pony show was repeated the next year despite having Lucas Dillon receiving, a couple of formidable running backs, a kick-ass O-line and a blood thirsty defense. There's something in the water there that's bad and my mama always told me, when the water tastes bad, pour it out and get yourself a fresh glass. DC has got to lift its sights above something other than mediocrity. Look what MSJ and Franklin has done. Look what Wabash has done.

Look here brother, who you jiving with that cosmic debris
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2009, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 05, 2009, 08:51:52 PM


Altor, you are the eternal optimist. I've been to the mountain top with DC and then shoved off the summit so many times now I stopped counting. Until they're no longer satisfied to be a middle of the pack team, they will never amount to much of anything. T had his chances to build a championship team with the recruiting classes that P brought in. He also had a damn genius of a defensive coordinator in Adam Baumgartner and a formidable O-line coach in John Prinz. Then he bet the house on a QB who had a deadly arm as long as the receivers wore the opposing jerseys and blew a game to WomanChester that would've been a conference ring for his team and a much needed shot in the arm for the program. The dog and pony show was repeated the next year despite having Lucas Dillon receiving, a couple of formidable running backs, a kick-ass O-line and a blood thirsty defense. There's something in the water there that's bad and my mama always told me, when the water tastes bad, pour it out and get yourself a fresh glass. DC has got to lift its sights above something other than mediocrity. Look what MSJ and Franklin has done. Look what Wabash has done.

Look here brother, who you jiving with that cosmic debris

It may be a bit unrealistic to toss Wabash into this mix for comparative purposes, JF.  The differences, as we've discussed, extend beyond a lack of women (students) on campus.  While recent history and the 600 win plateau gives the impression of a potential powerhouse in the making, it wasn't always "gravy on both sides of the biscuit" in Crawfordsville.  There were years, including mine during the Max Urick era, where smacking DePauw was an annual opportunity as both school's programs wallowed in mediocrity (though Mont's lengthy tenure yielded quite a few Dannie wins before Coach Nick assumed the mantle in Greencastle).  ;)

Instead, one might consider Mount Union, ONU, and Findlay - teams that Defiance routinely played with competitively for many years during their NAIA days.   What changed?  Coaches and philosophies - Martinelli at Ashland, Dick Strahm at Findlay (wishing him well in his battle with cancer - talked with him in June at Bryan, OH book signing), and of course, Larry Kehres.  Defiance had a decade of strong coaches as well in the 1960s and 70s - Merb, Tigyer, and Snyder.  Franklin is strong because of Leonard and his staff, and MSJ - heck, Delphi was still a nunnery during my collegiate years.  Again, strong staff of coaches. 

If there is an identifiable shortcoming, it's in the packaging of what Defiance has (or doesn't have) to offer and finding recruits outside of the tri-state (IN, MI, OH for the Cinci boys), which appears to be a point of emphasis with the new Prez.  It will be interesting to observe what transpires, or if they go the way of Trine and become "McMaster College of OH."  When in doubt...

"HOT SOAPY WATER in the FIRST DEGREE..."

The bandit say "It must be what they all needs..."
  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 06, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2009, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
I did forget to add:  She sews all her own clothes and doesn't sweat much for a fat girl!  Saints Fan might still date her ;D


"the thing about bigger girls....is, they do more stuff.."   Sean William Scott as "Wheeler" in Role Models

And they are still there the next morning to fix you breakfast.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 06, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
I think the new Prez will be really good for the DC athletics he seems to really like sports (2youbg sons who love football helps). We all know support from the top is required to be good (I think Hanover would agree). DC has not had a prez that supported FB and sports in general since Harris left in the 90's. Unfortunately there is several years of bad support that needs to overcome. In the good years we used to have a solid core from Florida (lots of speed, some large cubans to block, and an occasional nose tackle with a shy non opionated pops with killer fish tacos). Last several years the admin would not even allow them to recruit south of Ohio. I don't think there is anyone on the roster south of Lima. New prez has already been reaching out to alums and committed to bringing in students for various states including those DC never considered.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 06, 2009, 09:07:03 AM
More cushion...better the pushin! And There ain't nothing wrong with "Good Breeding Material."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 06, 2009, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 05, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Altor, you are the eternal optimist.
I cut most of the quote because I don't disagree with it.  DC football has been mediocre for the past several years and I can't honestly say that I see that changing in the immediate future.

However, If I'm the eternal optimist, then you, sir, are the eternal pessimist.  4-6, 5-5, 7-3, 6-4.  These are not records of "an ugly sister of the HCAC."  As you said, they are middle of the pack.  Even the current mark of 1-3 is hardly the end of the world when you put it in the perspective of who they've played.  It takes very little optimism and a broader view of the conference and D-III as a whole to realize that by the end of the season, they will pick up a couple more wins and continue this string of mediocrity.

If you want to decry the mediocrity, I have no problem with that.  But sometimes, y'all make it sound like this is the worst football team in the world, which is not the case.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2009, 10:27:31 AM
Quote from: altor on October 06, 2009, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 05, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Altor, you are the eternal optimist.
I cut most of the quote because I don't disagree with it.  DC football has been mediocre for the past several years and I can't honestly say that I see that changing in the immediate future.

However, If I'm the eternal optimist, then you, sir, are the eternal pessimist.  4-6, 5-5, 7-3, 6-4.  These are not records of "an ugly sister of the HCAC."  As you said, they are middle of the pack.  Even the current mark of 1-3 is hardly the end of the world when you put it in the perspective of who they've played.  It takes very little optimism and a broader view of the conference and D-III as a whole to realize that by the end of the season, they will pick up a couple more wins and continue this string of mediocrity.

If you want to decry the mediocrity, I have no problem with that.  But sometimes, y'all make it sound like this is the worst football team in the world, which is not the case.

As there was a switch from the singular to the "southern plural" and no mention of crossing the Maumee in a single-masted vessel (yawl), I agree with your take on this, Altor.  There are eerie similarities to the "Hope"ful conundrum up in the MIAA, and your point is well-taken.  It depends on which ManU shows this weekend, whether RHIT and Hanover are for real or short-term adrenal boluses, the Ravens have had their primaries clipped, and GOK what's up with the Beavers come November.  ???  DC could end up +/- .500.

As to new direction, addressed by 70_DC with an incoming administration, it's a "see if there's more than rhetoric" to Dr. Gordon.  I sincerely hope there is - we entertained Wood (and his ex-), in our Atlanta living room, who extolled the same virtuous verbiage during his pre-inaugeral tour regarding recruitment, "one trick pony" endowments, and desire to re-elevate academics.  Six years later?  ummm, ummm, ummm.   :D

The saving grace is that DC is certainly not the worst team in DIII - I fear that an old, campus friend of ours, Bob Head (DC'76) is blessed with that distinction at Rockford.  ;)

Had to edit - I hate being old and fingers failing to react as quickly as an already feeble mind.  :-[

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 06, 2009, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 06, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
I think the new Prez will be really good for the DC athletics he seems to really like sports (2youbg sons who love football helps). We all know support from the top is required to be good (I think Hanover would agree). DC has not had a prez that supported FB and sports in general since Harris left in the 90's. Unfortunately there is several years of bad support that needs to overcome. In the good years we used to have a solid core from Florida (lots of speed, some large cubans to block, and an occasional nose tackle with a shy non opionated pops with killer fish tacos). Last several years the admin would not even allow them to recruit south of Ohio. I don't think there is anyone on the roster south of Lima. New prez has already been reaching out to alums and committed to bringing in students for various states including those DC never considered.

I'll take a wait and see approach on this one. New Prez has never been around athletics before. I've heard he's trying to reach out to the athletic programs and I know he's supporting athletics more maybe than has been done in the past but there are lots of hurdles standing in the way of that happening. How many years have we heard about a fieldhouse getting done at DC. As long as I can remember and the chances of that happening are slim to none and slim walked out the door this summer with a big opportunity DC had.

Financial aid is a huge problem at DC, it's hard to recruit against the Ohio Northerns, Adrians, Trines and even Blufftons. It's all about recruiting at the college level. Add in the fact that those schools have facilities that put DC's to shame and it's  hard to bring a kid to DC when he has offers from the others.

As long as the athletic programs have strong numbers,  DC doesn't worry about the wins and losses. Until that attitude changes, middle of the road or mediocre is what you're consistently going to get.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 06, 2009, 11:57:29 AM
I think the common cry for the DC folks is a sense of being close enough to sniff the pie, but not getting a chance to savor the flavor. DC had their chances in the past to be better than what they were and now that "time period" seems to be fading. The HCAC isn't a good conference at all this year and DC has a chance to flirt with .500, however, that may not be indicative of where the program is heading.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
I'm with Jackets Backer, wait & see approach.  In regards to the Prez, I hope he really does support the program b/c football can bring in a lot of money for a school  Especially when the team can equal 1/10th of the student body & money they can bring in with games, fundraising, & so on. 
Hopefully they start reaching out to the guys from the south again.  That not only brings in some size, speed & skill, but alos gives them a chance to play football past high school & to get an education too.  I've even offered to help recruit out west before.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 07, 2009, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 07, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
I'm with Jackets Backer, wait & see approach.  In regards to the Prez, I hope he really does support the program b/c football can bring in a lot of money for a school  Especially when the team can equal 1/10th of the student body & money they can bring in with games, fundraising, & so on. 
Hopefully they start reaching out to the guys from the south again.  That not only brings in some size, speed & skill, but alos gives them a chance to play football past high school & to get an education too.  I've even offered to help recruit out west before.

I don't think the south is recruited much if at all in recent years by DC. Coach P recruited the heck out of Florida and brought some great southern talent to DC but times have changed. I don't know but maybe the budget keeps DC to the tri-state area in regards to recruiting and out of Jacket Fans' backyard.

The thing is, men's basketball has brought in some big-time talent. The current coach and previous one knew how to recruit and don't seem to have trouble bringing in championship caliber talent and have built the program into a contender every year for the last four or five years. They've even brought in kids from the Chicago area the last few years and Cleveland and Columbus kids. They know how to sell the program (one that has not great facilities) and are reaping the rewards. The HCAC is a 100 times more competitive in mens basketball than it is in football and HCAC mens basketball is actually highly-regarded on a national scale.

Basketball is a bit different than football in the fact that one or two guys can make a big difference ... it takes many times that number in football to contend at a high level.

Sure there are hurdles in regards to bringing in the type of talent that makes you challenge for a conference title consistently at DC, but it's happened before here. If you're determined enough to be a winner, that's exactly what you'll be.
Right now there's not a lot of big-time talent like the football program had in the past with the Kris Zajacs, Mike Haydons, Richard Palmers, Josh Staggs, Chris Tietjes, Luke Dillons and others I'm leaving out. That group had a little swagger to them on the field and the Jackets have lost that swagger the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 07, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 07, 2009, 08:15:26 PMThe HCAC is a 100 times more competitive in mens basketball than it is in football and HCAC mens basketball is actually highly-regarded on a national scale.

What makes you think this?  When was the last time the HCAC got two teams in the basketball tournament?  Who was the last HCAC team to host a game in the basketball tournament?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 08, 2009, 07:01:45 AM
Quote from: altor on October 07, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 07, 2009, 08:15:26 PMThe HCAC is a 100 times more competitive in mens basketball than it is in football and HCAC mens basketball is actually highly-regarded on a national scale.

What makes you think this?  When was the last time the HCAC got two teams in the basketball tournament?  Who was the last HCAC team to host a game in the basketball tournament?

I don't know when or if they've had two teams in the tourney but they've been competitive and had success in the tourney. Transy hosted not too long ago (2005?) and went to the Elite 8 and one of their best players didn't play that year. I believe Manchester went to the Final Four when Steve Alford was coaching there. Hanover's had teams in the Sweet 16. The HCAC hasn't had much success in the playoffs in football over the years except for a couple times, but Franklin changed that last year. I'm just saying that the HCAC has been a lot more competitive on a national scale in basketball and had  success in the postseason.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 08, 2009, 09:13:02 AM
I'd forgotten about Transy in 2006.  Hanover hosted a first-round game in 2005 when there were only 48 teams and went to the sweet sixteen.  Hanover hosted a second-round game in 2004 after going 26-1 and earning the bye and lost.

I guess when I look at the media coverage and fans talking, I don't see any difference for the HCAC between basketball and football.  The conference is not the bottom of the barrel, but they are hardly a powerhouse either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2009, 01:39:52 PM
Sayer,


I'm headed North early on Saturday morning to see Hallett vs. Dean Paul (Heidelberg vs. ONU).... Reality Check has some kind of special redcarpet treatment set up for us --- I'm sure its impressive since ONU is NOT commuter school like MSJ is... If you are off on Saturday (or want to quit), look me up and you can ride up with us. 

I think we're gonna meet in Dayton (he has Homecoming/reunion at CJ on Saturday night) and roll up while telling "Your HS team sucks" jokes...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2009, 06:42:06 PM
Our game this week is on Saturday....I've suffered through an 0-10 season...a little 1-6 isn't going to stop me :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2009, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2009, 06:42:06 PM
Our game this week is on Saturday....I've suffered through an 0-10 season...a little 1-6 isn't going to stop me :)

I'd call in "dead" as the coach of that team...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 09, 2009, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 06, 2009, 11:17:11 AM
I'll take a wait and see approach on this one. New Prez has never been around athletics before. I've heard he's trying to reach out to the athletic programs and I know he's supporting athletics more maybe than has been done in the past but there are lots of hurdles standing in the way of that happening.

In his inaugural address yesterday, President Gordon touched only briefly on athletics.  He was very positive about the role athletics play in the lives and educations of our young adults.

I also must say that he was the first DC president of the three I've known to make an appearance at a home cross country meet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 10, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: altor on October 09, 2009, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 06, 2009, 11:17:11 AM
I'll take a wait and see approach on this one. New Prez has never been around athletics before. I've heard he's trying to reach out to the athletic programs and I know he's supporting athletics more maybe than has been done in the past but there are lots of hurdles standing in the way of that happening.

In his inaugural address yesterday, President Gordon touched only briefly on athletics.  He was very positive about the role athletics play in the lives and educations of our young adults.

I also must say that he was the first DC president of the three I've known to make an appearance at a home cross country meet.
DC has a cross country team? ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 10, 2009, 07:56:34 PM
Altor: "You, sir, are the eternal pessimist."

Who stepped on your ventilator tube, altor? I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist. A pragmatist. The four years my son played at DC, I watched the current head coach use the former head coach's recruiting class as the base he was apparently trying to build on and he had two years where he had a nice run going. Unfortunately, he insisted on sticking with a lousy QB and he quit recruiting outside the state. This can't all be laid at the door of short funding. The man doesn't know how to recruit. If he did, he wouldn't have an O-line that looks like a box of Dunkin Donuts, a QB that can't throw a shuttlecock across a badminton net or an offense that looks like a Three Stooges skit. For the first couple of years or so, I was working hard down here hooking him up with potential recruits. Then he started showing a total lack of interest. After awhile, I quit hearing from him altogether. I used to take time off work and drive to schools in the area and talk to them about DC football. But when the head coach appears to stop even appreciating the efforts others are making for him gratis, his ship ain't to float for long. I think the same thing happened with another former DC player on the West Coast if I'm not mistaken.

DC got beat again today. No small surprise. Yeah, I know, I'm just a pessimist. Let me set you straight on something, amigo. In gunnery practice, the range instructor showed us how to set our sights a little higher in order to hit the ten ring on the far down range targets. I never did have a range instructor tell me to aim for the middle of the target. Start doing that and you end up where DC is right now - Maggie's Drawers. And unless something changes ASAP, I don't see DC winning a single game this season. If they don't do something asap, they're to be wearing Maggie's Drawers the rest of the season. Losing is in their heads and it's taking a toll. Can y'all understand this? Here, boy, let me put some butter on them grits. It'll make them taste better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
I've found that sugar helps make the grits taste better, Joe. 

Completely agree with your assessment though
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 10, 2009, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 10, 2009, 07:56:34 PM
DC got beat again today. No small surprise. Yeah, I know, I'm just a pessimist. Let me set you straight on something, amigo. In gunnery practice, the range instructor showed us how to set our sights a little higher in order to hit the ten ring on the far down range targets. I never did have a range instructor tell me to aim for the middle of the target. Start doing that and you end up where DC is right now - Maggie's Drawers. And unless something changes ASAP, I don't see DC winning a single game this season. If they don't do something asap, they're to be wearing Maggie's Drawers the rest of the season. Losing is in their heads and it's taking a toll. Can y'all understand this?

I understand it. Losing is in there heads, has been the last couple of years. That mentality has to change if this program is going to join the Mount and Franklin at the top of the HCAC heap.

DC should've nailed the coffin shut against Manchester today in the first 8 minutes. The Spartans gift-wrapped it for them and DC said nah, we don't want it. DC recovered a fumble at the MC one, recovered another at the MC 30 and on their third possession started at midfield and ended up with a grand total of 7 points with some of the greatest field position in the history of football. Plus they dropped an interception that would've went for an easy touchdown in the first quarter. Could've scored 28, 17 at the very least.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 11, 2009, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
I've found that sugar helps make the grits taste better, Joe.

Geez, SaintsFAN - that's a big, hell no!  Either a pinch of salt, pepper, or red-eyed gravy (a country ham grease-coffee concoction) or shrimp and cheese in 'em.  Sugar is reserved for rotting teeth in tea.  ;D ;)

Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2009, 10:10:14 PM

Completely agree with your assessment though

AMEN!!!  Something about if one can't say anything nice...  :-X but the cheerleader outfits weren't hard on these old eyes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 11, 2009, 10:56:19 AM
Saints, if y'all come down heah and put sugah in yo grits, y'all leave us no choice but to walk over to yo table, tip our Confederate hats politely, and say, ""Excuse me, Suh, Y'all ain't from around heah, are y'all?" ;D We will then nod our heads in the general direction of the parking lot and cheerfully invite y'all to leave.

Brother Bob's got it right. It's butter, salt, pepper and/or gravy. Or, if you order fried eggs, you can even chop up them in the grits. It you really want a treat to make your carotids crackle, you can mix up some flour in your cooked grits, dice up some sweet Vidalia onion in it, make patties with the mixture and fry it in a  skillet of bacon grease.

You nailed it, Lynn. The DC train started at Victory Station and then the dumb conductor proceeded to head down the wrong tracks towards Perdition.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 11, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 11, 2009, 10:56:19 AM

You nailed it, Lynn. The DC train started at Victory Station and then the dumb conductor proceeded to head down the wrong tracks towards Perdition.

Best comment I've heard was an hour ago from an alumnus bud  - the unbeaten DC team was honored at Homecoming yesterday...

"The level of incompetence was such it made me want to puke..."

Pretty good lineup of old guys there - Lichtenberg, England, Gifford, Jeff Smith, Dave Scott, Rocky Tisdale, Mike Wright, and Ben Davis from the "good old days"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
The hardest part about building a winner is changing the perception. I don't think that is anything people don't know, however, when was the last time you heard of a coach, who had some years in at a school, turn around the program? It doesn't happen. Turnarounds come about when you bring in someone new. Actually, I don't remember any coach, who had multiple lackluster years at an institution, turn that team into a consistent winning program.

The great example I was part of is MSJ. Prior to Rod Huber being hired, the best year MSJ ever had was 5-4. They had 7 losing seasons, 1 winning season (the 5-4 year), and 2 .500 seasons. Rod was hired, and though the turnabout took time, MSJ is now a rock solid program. Rod was a coach during the bad times, but not the head coach.

I guess what the past states, unfortunately for you DC fans, as long as the current coach is there, you aint gonna win anything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2009, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
The hardest part about building a winner is changing the perception. I don't think that is anything people don't know, however, when was the last time you heard of a coach, who had some years in at a school, turn around the program? It doesn't happen. Turnarounds come about when you bring in someone new. Actually, I don't remember any coach, who had multiple lackluster years at an institution, turn that team into a consistent winning program.

The great example I was part of is MSJ. Prior to Rod Huber being hired, the best year MSJ ever had was 5-4. They had 7 losing seasons, 1 winning season (the 5-4 year), and 2 .500 seasons. Rod was hired, and though the turnabout took time, MSJ is now a rock solid program. Rod was a coach during the bad times, but not the head coach.

I guess what the past states, unfortunately for you DC fans, as long as the current coach is there, you aint gonna win anything.

Well Sayer, you are correct on some of your comments above regarding perception and attitude changes.  However, with all due respect, I disagree with you on the other aspect i.e. a coach being at a school for a number of years having lackluster seasons before turning the program around.  While rare, it does happen - case in point, Jim Lyall of Adrian College (you are perhaps a little too young to remember, just being recently out of your college playing days ;D ;)).  The former University of Michigan standout under the late Bo Schembechler has been Head Coach at Adrian since the 1990 season and had several lackluster seasons before turning Adrian's program around to a consistent winning program:  Lyall's record:

1990 4-4-1
1991 4-5
1992 2-7
1993 2-7
1994 3-6
1995 6-3
1996 3-6
1997 8-0-1
1998 5-4
1999 2-7
2000 2-8
2001 2-8
2002 7-3
2003 8-2
2004 6-4
2005 8-2
2006 5-5
2007 7-3
2008 8-2
2009 pending

Just noting this "for the record". ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Touche'
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2009, 10:04:46 PM
Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 11, 2009, 10:09:08 PM
Add to what Formerd3db said, Rod Huber was on staff at MSJ when they sucked.  He was the defensive coordinator.  I'm sure there are examples of what Adam is saying, but IMO, Rod Huber is not one of them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 12, 2009, 09:12:07 AM
Not to get off topic here but what the heck happened at MSJ? Their website is actually pretty nice now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 12, 2009, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 12, 2009, 09:12:07 AM
Not to get off topic here...

Good idea, before the Maumee Marauders and Tiffin River Trollops put out contracts, and a couple of us end up in Wohn's Pond with cement overshoes  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 12, 2009, 11:24:33 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 12, 2009, 10:08:50 AM
Good idea, before the Maumee Marauders and Tiffin River Trollops put out contracts, and a couple of us end up in Wohn's Pond with cement overshoes

They may have already struck. Actually there was a dead body found on the Back 40 at DC a couple weeks back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 12, 2009, 01:46:06 PM
Looks like the interesting game this week in HCAC action could be the matchup between Hanover and Mount St. Joe's.

Does anyone think Hanover has a chance in this game?

I know you are not supposed to compare scores of games from common opponents, but they did play Rose down to the wire last week which Mount St. Joes beat by 7, and they both put up over fifty points against Anderson.  I believe their overall record is only 1 - 4, but the overall record for the D3 schools they have played out of conference is about 9 - 2 and D2 Butler is undefeated in which they lost by a similar score that Franklin lost to Butler by.

Could Hanover be the surprise team in the conference this year since they were picked to finish second to last in the pre season ratings.

Just wandering what anybody else's take is on this game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 12, 2009, 01:46:06 PM
Looks like the interesting game this week in HCAC action could be the matchup between Hanover and Mount St. Joe's.

Does anyone think Hanover has a chance in this game?

I know you are not supposed to compare scores of games from common opponents, but they did play Rose down to the wire last week which Mount St. Joes beat by 7, and they both put up over fifty points against Anderson.  I believe their overall record is only 1 - 4, but the overall record for the D3 schools they have played out of conference is about 9 - 2 and D2 Butler is undefeated in which they lost by a similar score that Franklin lost to Butler by.

Could Hanover be the surprise team in the conference this year since they were picked to finish second to last in the pre season ratings.

Just wandering what anybody else's take is on this game.

Go Panthers!!  Just kidding... I do think you're onto something there.  I think most of those questions will be answered after Saturday though..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 12, 2009, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 12, 2009, 01:46:06 PM
Looks like the interesting game this week in HCAC action could be the matchup between Hanover and Mount St. Joe's.

Does anyone think Hanover has a chance in this game?

I know you are not supposed to compare scores of games from common opponents, but they did play Rose down to the wire last week which Mount St. Joes beat by 7, and they both put up over fifty points against Anderson.  I believe their overall record is only 1 - 4, but the overall record for the D3 schools they have played out of conference is about 9 - 2 and D2 Butler is undefeated in which they lost by a similar score that Franklin lost to Butler by.

Could Hanover be the surprise team in the conference this year since they were picked to finish second to last in the pre season ratings.

Just wandering what anybody else's take is on this game.

Go Panthers!!  Just kidding... I do think you're onto something there.  I think most of those questions will be answered after Saturday though..

Was just thinking the same thing this morning and agree as well ... Hanover's on the track back to being respectable each Saturday. I'd say they'd have a chance Saturday if Mount had one of their traditional offenses that scored in the 20s but MSJ is lighting up the scoreboard this year. Never know, maybe MSJ will be looking ahead to their trip to Franklin for the HCAC title a week from Saturday. Come to think of it, I believe Hanover picked them off on the west edge of Cincinnati a few years back in a big upset.

Guess you can throw Manchester into the biggest surprise category as well. Hard team to figure out. Had Trine on the ropes but gave up 48 to Kalamazoo and then beat RHIT. Losing Grimes at QB really hurt and now they're playing a couple of really young kids back there that looked shaky at DC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 12, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Agree with Manchester also, I think they were picked 5th in the preseason behind Franklin, RHIT, Mount St. Joe's and Anderson who at this time looks to be the biggest dissapointment in the conference.

Will get my first look at Franklin in person this weekend. Will be playing in the homecoming golf scramble on Friday and will stay overnight to take in the game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 12, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Agree with Manchester also, I think they were picked 5th in the preseason behind Franklin, RHIT, Mount St. Joe's and Anderson who at this time looks to be the biggest dissapointment in the conference.

Will get my first look at Franklin in person this weekend. Will be playing in the homecoming golf scramble on Friday and will stay overnight to take in the game on Saturday.

KYGrizz:

Have a great time at Homecoming.  I did the same i.e. similar schedule as you this past weekend at our Homecoming at Hope.  Friday night recognition dinner for our former coach/recently retired AD with many of my former football teammates, then stayed overnight, played in the alumni lacrosse game in the AM, then attended the H-Club letterman luncheon then helping out at the Homecoming football game.  A busy weekend and your's will be similar but well worth it and enjoyable for you I'm sure (and even more so if your Franklin wins ;).  Again, best wishes for a nice weekend with your college teammates/friends, etc.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 13, 2009, 08:10:50 AM
formerd3db,

As long as there is cool refreshments I'm sure I will have a good time. I am not an alumni but my son is. I will be playing golf with him and a couple other of his buddies. They just told me to bring my putter and they will take care of the rest. I spent enough money for four years that I feel like an honorary alumni. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
I don't think MSJ will be looking past Hanover. MSJ has 2 rivals in my opinion. Hanover and Thomas More. This team may not share the hatred some others have felt, but I'm sure Rod Huber doesn't forget getting his teeth kicked in during some of the early games in this rivalry between 1990-2003. I sure as hell don't forget getting blown out in 2002, then giving up a late TD in 2003 to lose. I also don't forget how good it felt to beat those SOB's for the first time in 2004. If MSJ went 1-9 and that 1 win was against Hanover, the season wouldn't be a complete loss...but that's just me.


Our Offense wasn't bad in 2004. The last 7 games we averaged 33 ppg and 5 of those last 7 games we scored over 30 points (one game we scored 29). It would have been more had our OC listened to us earlier when we told him we were a running team. We were also the only team in MSJ history to score 21+ points in every regular season game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 13, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 13, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
I don't think MSJ will be looking past Hanover. MSJ has 2 rivals in my opinion. Hanover and Thomas More. .

Doesn't FC rate as a rival? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 13, 2009, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 10, 2009, 07:56:34 PM
Who stepped on your ventilator tube, altor? I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist. A pragmatist.

A realist who apparently can't read.  I also said:
Quote from: altor on October 06, 2009, 09:33:10 AM
If you want to decry the mediocrity, I have no problem with that.  But sometimes, y'all make it sound like this is the worst football team in the world, which is not the case.

I stand by this, even after Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 13, 2009, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 11, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
The hardest part about building a winner is changing the perception. I don't think that is anything people don't know, however, when was the last time you heard of a coach, who had some years in at a school, turn around the program? It doesn't happen. Turnarounds come about when you bring in someone new. Actually, I don't remember any coach, who had multiple lackluster years at an institution, turn that team into a consistent winning program.

The great example I was part of is MSJ. Prior to Rod Huber being hired, the best year MSJ ever had was 5-4. They had 7 losing seasons, 1 winning season (the 5-4 year), and 2 .500 seasons. Rod was hired, and though the turnabout took time, MSJ is now a rock solid program. Rod was a coach during the bad times, but not the head coach.

I guess what the past states, unfortunately for you DC fans, as long as the current coach is there, you aint gonna win anything.

I wont say i had the playbook of a champion, but what was really dissapointing is after a game where they should have beat Manchester  and done so at a decent margin and they let them come back to win it with a couple minutes left when i stood down by the field right after the game there seemed to be a lot of smiles from players...maybe it was just the guys who ride the pine and the ones who played bolted pissed off to the locker room.  still if you expect to win there is nothing worse than loosing.  i played on a 1-8 team and after a loss i would have kicked a grandmother and punched a little kid i would be so pissed off regardless off if we were playing Mt Union or Helen Kellers school for the blind. 

If you dont have the perception you are going to dominate you wont and it wont hurt when you dont.   Granted i had a boatload of beer in me so my memory was fuzzy but this stood out.

back to the topic of the president.  i give him props.  in all of the years i had played or visited which goes back to 93 i have never seen a president interact with Alums like he tried to.  there is always a large group of alums who venture out to the track and the sideline.  President Gordon also ventured out walked around and indivisually introduced himself to everyone...i know it was uncomfortable (there might have been 10,000 beers consumed between everyone down there pregame) but he did it anyways
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2009, 10:56:14 PM
70,

You guys REALLY sucked that year you went 1-8.. How did you ever win that one game and against what team of turds did you emerge victorious??  :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 13, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 13, 2009, 10:32:42 PM
back to the topic of the president.  i give him props.  in all of the years i had played or visited which goes back to 93 i have never seen a president interact with Alums like he tried to.  there is always a large group of alums who venture out to the track and the sideline.  President Gordon also ventured out walked around and indivisually introduced himself to everyone...i know it was uncomfortable (there might have been 10,000 beers consumed between everyone down there pregame) but he did it anyways

Couldn't have said it better myself. President Gordon's trying very hard and I've seen him at more athletic events in his short time than the old one in five years. He's not shy about mingling with alumni and the students ... he makes a point of doing it. He's going to do the best he can and sure as heck is doing what he can for athletics at DC. Shoot, I heard he was even at a cross country meet the other day. I think people at DC are taking notice of what he's doing and realize he's behind them 100 percent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 14, 2009, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2009, 10:56:14 PM
70,

You guys REALLY sucked that year you went 1-8.. How did you ever win that one game and against what team of turds did you emerge victorious??  :)

cause it was the only game our QB did not throw a billion INT's.  i think we ended the season averaging nearly 5 INT a game, we were not very good and 5 pick a game made it awful!!  make matters funnier the one win was against one of the better Alma teams they fielded in a long time when Vandermoss was at QB and they were 5-0 coming in :).  we were a little pissed about them running the score up the year before (last minute FG up 62-20)

if i rememeber correctly we shoul have beat TMC that year it was close...the only year that was not as close was 99.  Of course TMC was also goingg through a stretch at that time too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2009, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 14, 2009, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2009, 10:56:14 PM
70,

You guys REALLY sucked that year you went 1-8.. How did you ever win that one game and against what team of turds did you emerge victorious??  :)

cause it was the only game our QB did not throw a billion INT's.  i think we ended the season averaging nearly 5 INT a game, we were not very good and 5 pick a game made it awful!!  make matters funnier the one win was against one of the better Alma teams they fielded in a long time when Vandermoss was at QB and they were 5-0 coming in :).  we were a little pissed about them running the score up the year before (last minute FG up 62-20)

if i rememeber correctly we shoul have beat TMC that year it was close...the only year that was not as close was 99.  Of course TMC was also goingg through a stretch at that time too.

I was thinking that was the year you got us after coming into the game winless... and blocking a punt while we tried to run the time down. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 14, 2009, 12:50:39 PM
nope that was the following year and that game started a 7 game winning streak for us.  and it also ended the streak of 3 years where we would be up a couple TD's at half and TMC would win by a couple pts at the end...games vs. TMC in the 90's were a curse lfor DC ike that damn goat in Wrigley  until we finnaly made the tackle on the blocked FG and your recievers forgot to catch passes that bruised their chest!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2009, 12:56:54 PM
We know that wasn't Kevin throwing the ball if bruises were being left on the WR chest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2009, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 14, 2009, 12:56:54 PM
We know that wasn't Kevin throwing the ball if bruises were being left on the WR chest.

nope... that was Hicks... I never got to play against Defiance, I don't think... But I did play against Bluffton a few times ---whats the difference??  I was hurt in 1999 in the coach's booth...  70 it was SaintsFAN he called for the middle screen that turned into an 88 yard TD that day... ha.  Well, I was saying all day it was open... we just finally called for it then. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 14, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
it was a good call but should have been a 5yd gain if we could tackle...but our D was soft as hell
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 15, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
http://www.heartlandconf.org/press_releases/2009-10/10_15_earlham

Welcome to the HCAC Earlham!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 15, 2009, 01:08:03 PM
We have about 1/4 of the school either not show up or leave early from being sick. Unfortunately, since Saturday is Homecoming, we won't be getting any extra days off tomorrow :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2009, 01:44:33 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 14, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
it was a good call but should have been a 5yd gain if we could tackle...but our D was soft as hell

which was surprising because Defiance usually brought it on defense.  I remember the 1997 game at Defiance... 21-14 win... but that was a tough game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 16, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Now Defiance brings too-too's, Ace Ventura style :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2009, 04:21:28 PM
Nice win for DC at RHIT!  Too bad we had 3 bad kicks last week in the 1pt loss
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 17, 2009, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2009, 04:21:28 PM
Nice win for DC at RHIT!  Too bad we had 3 bad kicks last week in the 1pt loss
I noticed Foos made the first FG attempt today (which was blocked).  After that, Anthony Sierra kicked all the PATs.  Foos continued with all the kickoffs and punts.  Does anybody know the story there?  Was it the gameplan from the beginning to have Sierra kick PATs and/or short FGs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2009, 06:34:55 PM
My guess is His confidence is shot. 2 missed extra pts and missed FG last week. I know one of the extra pts was blocked by the centers ass because it only went 2 ft off the ground (that is a oline worst pain). 4 straight missed kicks guess he got pulled
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 17, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2009, 04:21:28 PM
Nice win for DC at RHIT!  Too bad we had 3 bad kicks last week in the 1pt loss

the monkey is now off the DC backs. Congrats to the Jackets
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 17, 2009, 07:18:38 PM
MSJ won today 28-13...wasn't much of a game. Hanover's O-line is smaller than 2 HS o-lines we have played against. My only worry is MSJ's d-line doesn't have much size. I don't think any of them weight 300. I like speedy linemen, however, if a team lines up with some hosses and PTR with a power run game with a lot of Iso's, Leads, Traps, Powers, Dives, etc. they may be at a disadvantage up front.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 17, 2009, 11:47:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy DC won, but I am still pissed about last week.  That game should be a W!  Hopefully they're on the right track.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 18, 2009, 11:19:36 AM
Good win for the Jackets yesterday - they always seem to sting me on my HCAC pick'ems in the toss up - type games.  Great to note Alex Bonilla (Sr from Glenville) slot his four PAT attempts after last weeks' debacle in the PK department  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 18, 2009, 05:17:27 PM
Yay for DC. About time you got a win. Do it again next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 18, 2009, 11:18:27 PM
Big game coming up in the HCAC this weekend.  That's right Defiance vs. Anderson ;D 
Ok, back to reality.  Franklin vs. MSJ!  this is pretty much the clincher for the AQ.  I know Manchester is 3-0 too, but they still have to get past both Franklin & MSJ which is no easy task.  Looking forward to everyone's thoughts on this game.
I'm torn on who will win.  Franklin is still the team to beat as the current champ & have shown they are a tough team to beat.  I'm not going to count the Butler game b/c they are showing to be a force in DIAA so far.  MSJ has shown that they can put up offensive numbers & play some d too.  It will be an interesting game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 19, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 18, 2009, 05:17:27 PM
Yay for DC. About time you got a win. Do it again next week.

Another nice finish should be in the cards for DC with Andy, Hanover and Bluffton on the slate with only one win between them. No reason the Jackets shouldn't get a W in all three of those and maybe if MSJ has nothing to play for in week 9 they can spring a trap on them. Should be a respectable 5-5 season unless someone throws a stick in the spoke of Jackets. As awful as some teams are in the league are this year, 5-5 wouldn't be anything to bugle about. That's kind of what we're used to around here huh Joe and Robert ... average but nothing to get excited about with no Ws against any teams with a respectable record.

Enough about that and to the real order of business this week down in central part of the Hoosier State for the AQ. Don't have any reason to think both teams won't put up 30+ in this one. Flip a coin on this one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 19, 2009, 01:21:13 PM
When was the last time ManU was 3-0 in conference play??? Or 3-0 in anything regarding football?

Huge game this weekend. Winner gets an 11th game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 19, 2009, 02:35:22 PM


Hello... I'm back after a long rest.. How is everyone doing?? I see my school MSJ is back on top.... 6-0....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 19, 2009, 02:54:17 PM
WHAT THE HELL HAPPEND TO TEAMS LIKE HANOVER/ANDERSON... THEY WERE THE CREAM OF THE CROP, AND NOW THEY ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN... CONGRATS TO COACH HILLVERT, FOR TURNING THINGS AROUND OVER AT TMC.... GREAT COACH/FRIEND AND DAMN GOOD RECRUITER... SHOULD COME DOWN TO MSJ/FRANKLIN FOR THE CROWN, AND THE RIGHT TO THE PLAY-OFF'S.... I HOPE MSJ AND TMC ENTER THE LAST GAME UNDEFEATED, AND BOTH MAKE THE PLAY-OFF'S... TWO OF MY FAV PEOPLE COACHING AT BOTH SCHOOLS'....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 19, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
Franklin is going for its 22nd straight conference victory this Saturday against Mount St. Joe's who was the last conference team to beat them in the 2006 season which was also at Franklin.

Should be a great game to watch. Franklin will not be able to afford to play the first half the same way they did against Anderson.

They made a switch at quarterback in the first half replacing their starter after a couple of interceptions with a third string QB(I'm assuming that the backup they had been using was hurt) with three minutes to go till half and led them down the field to tie the game at 17 all.

He also led them to three more TD's in the 3rd quarter. The starter was inserted back in the fourth quarter and led them to two more scores.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 19, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
Franklin is going for its 22nd straight conference victory this Saturday against Mount St. Joe's who was the last conference team to beat them in the 2006 season which was also at Franklin.

Should be a great game to watch. Franklin will not be able to afford to play the first half the same way they did against Anderson.

They made a switch at quarterback in the first half replacing their starter after a couple of interceptions with a third string QB(I'm assuming that the backup they had been using was hurt) with three minutes to go till half and led them down the field to tie the game at 17 all.

He also led them to three more TD's in the 3rd quarter. The starter was inserted back in the fourth quarter and led them to two more scores.



Nice to see you at the game this weekend.  I didn't stop by but I saw you over on the SE corner. (phi alpha btw).  The other starting QB Purichia is banged up (no word on if he could have played against the Ravens).  The 3rd string guy looked good against Anderson.  FC will need to be playing well on all cylinders to win this one. Glad it is at home and on grass.  Weather says 45 and some rain.  In years past that favored MSJ.  Not so sure this year.

Regardless, no way to predict this one. Should come down to turnovers and fewest mistakes.  Sayer:  you gonna be there?  Come by and introduce yourself and stop by the touchdown club for lunch and some barley pop. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
If I could make it, I most definitely would. We have films all morning & afternoon on Saturday.

As others have stated, the difference will be turnovers. Both teams should light up the scoreboard and whoever doesn't turn it over and limit their chances will win. MSJ's defense, if they start playing like they have in the past, could help MSJ's cause greatly.

MSJ's defense is giving up a little over 22 ppg against teams who are a combined 7-24 (.226). FC's defense is giving up an average of  27 ppg against DIII teams who are 9-20 (.310). They both blew out common opponents Bluffton (28-12 & 38-18) and Anderson (50-23 & 61-28). MSJ hasn't played a close game yet (closest was a 9-point decision to Wilmington), whereas Franklin has (30-29 win against Trine).

I'm not hating on my Lions, but overall, I think FC would be a slight favorite for 3 reasons: 1) playing at home (I'm assuming the crowd for this game will be pretty large), 2) played a better schedule to date (Butler and Trine), and 3) has played under pressure (1 point win vs Trine).

With all that said, I think MSJ will be ready to play and have had this game circled for a long time. They win 38-35.  :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2009, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
If I could make it, I most definitely would. We have films all morning & afternoon on Saturday.

As others have stated, the difference will be turnovers. Both teams should light up the scoreboard and whoever doesn't turn it over and limit their chances will win. MSJ's defense, if they start playing like they have in the past, could help MSJ's cause greatly.

MSJ's defense is giving up a little over 22 ppg against teams who are a combined 7-24 (.226). FC's defense is giving up an average of  27 ppg against DIII teams who are 9-20 (.310). They both blew out common opponents Bluffton (28-12 & 38-18) and Anderson (50-23 & 61-28). MSJ hasn't played a close game yet (closest was a 9-point decision to Wilmington), whereas Franklin has (30-29 win against Trine).

I'm not hating on my Lions, but overall, I think FC would be a slight favorite for 3 reasons: 1) playing at home (I'm assuming the crowd for this game will be pretty large), 2) played a better schedule to date (Butler and Trine), and 3) has played under pressure (1 point win vs Trine).

With all that said, I think MSJ will be ready to play and have had this game circled for a long time. They win 38-35.  :)


Sayer... I think if Franklin gets time like Hanover did --- to throw, MSJ is in for a long day.  I really want MSJ to win because IF Thomas More loses to W&J in two weeks, then their Pool C hopes would be greater if they beat an undefeated conference champ in week 11.. in addition to the John Carroll win.  I just don't think they do..

IMO the key to this game is the FC offensive line match up with MSJ's front 7.  You'll have your answer very early on what is going to transpire over the afternoon, if you keep your eyes on this match up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2009, 12:18:21 PM
That JC win doesn't look that great. They lost to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
What's everyone's opinion about Pryor's HS coach basically IMO telling Teressel how to coach his stud player?  Should the hairless nuts coach modify his coaching style for Pryor or keep doing what he's doing?

Sayer- nice breakdown of the FC/MSJ game.  I agree with your three points to Franklin's advantage except getting waxed by Butler I think wasn't helpful.  Overall, the home field & playing a tougher schedule with a tough game (Trine) works to FC advantage.  I'm still looking for MSJ's D to show up.  I'm going with Franklin 45-38, Franklin scores on a kick return after MSJ tied it up in the 4th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2009, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 21, 2009, 12:18:21 PM
That JC win doesn't look that great. They lost to Wilmington.

That takes some of the shine off of it... but lets not forget JCU gave Capital all they can handle last weekend and they have 3 games left where they make a statement beginning with Ohio Northern this weekend, Mount Union on October 31st and Otterbein on November 14th.  Its still a very good win.... because its a win against a team with a name from the OAC.  Combine that with a potential for a win in The Bridge Bowl (how big depends on how one feels about MSJ this year) and Thomas More will have a good shot at Pool C, should they drop a game during the regular season.  


Honestly, I'm excited about the Bridge Bowl even if the players/coaches can't look forward to it yet.   MUCH is owed after MSJ's dirty play after the game was settled in the 2008 Bridge Bowl.  A couple names stand out to me --- but I'm not going to call them out on here.  You'll see a very motivated TMC play fast and physical with them (only between the whistles of course)...


and YES.. I'm still bothered by you asking me to explain how to get to where I was on Friday night, only to have you say you couldn't make it.  Do you know how long that took to relay into the phone??  I was not sober, to make it worse.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2009, 09:32:17 AM
If it was closer to the Deer Park/Blue Ash area, I would have come. I was meeting my buddy for a few after the game. Driving back down to the river from Blue Ash with a car that has one headlight wouldn't be a wise idea.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 22, 2009, 10:35:54 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 22, 2009, 09:32:17 AM
If it was closer to the Deer Park/Blue Ash area, I would have come. I was meeting my buddy for a few after the game. Driving back down to the river from Blue Ash with a car that has one headlight wouldn't be a wise idea.

a P-diddle?  Better fix that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 22, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Traditionally, MSJ the past few years have had solid defenses that have been ranked nationally in many categories... with that said. I don't know what kind of front four they have, how much pressure is being generated by the defensive ends, and if they have two gap fillers in the middle. With that mouth full, Franklin has always been a good throwing team, with solid QB play, if Franklin is giving time to survey the field it can/ will be a shootout. I'm hoping hubbie will get the boy's fired up on defense, and get some timely turn-over's and control the clock, and keep Franklin offense off the field... run the ball... set up the pass, and get at the QB feet and throw him off his timing, and I think MSJ will win by a field goal 38-35... Man that's no defense being played..... Being an Alum of MSJ. .. I like a solid defense   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2009, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: Most Known, Unknown. on October 22, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Traditionally, MSJ the past few years

This is like a double-negative. 

It will be interesting to see what happens on Saturday.  Remember, Franklin has been tested.... MSJ has not in 2009... will that experience make a difference in the final 20 minutes of the game??  I guess we'll see...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 24, 2009, 06:57:57 PM
Good win for MSJ today... is there anyone who can tell us what happened since neither has a press release on here... what was the story of the game?

I'm glad MSJ will be 9-0 going into the Bridge Bowl... hopefully TMC is the same... they have two tough weeks to go though --- and Stellman is playing with a sore knee.


Too bad Tennessee didn't pick up the blocked kick at the end of the game today... Alabama didn't cover the ball for a full 5 seconds.  Could've won the game in this fashion... ala TMC vs. Defiance in 1993.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 24, 2009, 07:21:50 PM
Good to MSJ back on top after a year off. Congrats gentlemen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 25, 2009, 11:13:15 AM
Congrats to MSJ on their win yeserday.

I wasn't able to get their webcast up and tracked the game by their lives stats. which would not refresh all the time.

It looks like turnovers may have cost Franklin, but that is part of the game.

A win by MSJ against Manchester next week should lock up the title for them.

Adam, actually MSJ took off two years from being on top. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2009, 12:16:35 PM
But they were still a playoff team. Last year they finished with a losing record in conference play.

MSJ...2009 HCAC Champions
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 25, 2009, 09:13:51 PM
I did not attend (my son and I went to see Penn State at Michigan with a fraternity brother of mine and his son.  I did call in to find out the story and turnovers by FC contributed it appears.  I am not surprised by the outcome.  FC still is a solid team, etc but they don't have that championship swagger.  Too many younger guys and the seniors dont seem to exhibit the leadership.  QB is really a question mark this year as well.

Congrats to MSJ on the win. 7-0 and headed to the playoffs at this point.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on October 25, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Congrats to MSJ!  Do they still have some work to do before they wrap up the HCAC title and autobid, or is it a given at this point?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: CarrollStreaks on October 25, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Congrats to MSJ!  Do they still have some work to do before they wrap up the HCAC title and autobid, or is it a given at this point?

Manchester is also still undefeated in the HCAC.  But since Manchester is 22-78 the previous ten years, and has lost to Earlham and Kalamazoo this year, I wouldn't say that is a BIG hurdle! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 25, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
A win over Manchester locks up a share of the Conference title and the AQ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on October 26, 2009, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: CarrollStreaks on October 25, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Congrats to MSJ!  Do they still have some work to do before they wrap up the HCAC title and autobid, or is it a given at this point?

Manchester is also still undefeated in the HCAC.  But since Manchester is 22-78 the previous ten years, and has lost to Earlham and Kalamazoo this year, I wouldn't say that is a BIG hurdle! ;)

Ahhh, that's what I figured from looking at the standings.

Ohio could end up with six teams in the NCAA DIII playoffs.  What a state!  :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2009, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: CarrollStreaks on October 26, 2009, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: CarrollStreaks on October 25, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Congrats to MSJ!  Do they still have some work to do before they wrap up the HCAC title and autobid, or is it a given at this point?

Manchester is also still undefeated in the HCAC.  But since Manchester is 22-78 the previous ten years, and has lost to Earlham and Kalamazoo this year, I wouldn't say that is a BIG hurdle! ;)

Ahhh, that's what I figured from looking at the standings.

Ohio could end up with six teams in the NCAA DIII playoffs.  What a state!  :)

OK, I count CWRU, Witt, MSJ, and 2 from the OAC.  Are you counting on THREE from the OAC (possible, but unlikely), or have I forgotten someone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on October 26, 2009, 02:34:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2009, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: CarrollStreaks on October 26, 2009, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: CarrollStreaks on October 25, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Congrats to MSJ!  Do they still have some work to do before they wrap up the HCAC title and autobid, or is it a given at this point?

Manchester is also still undefeated in the HCAC.  But since Manchester is 22-78 the previous ten years, and has lost to Earlham and Kalamazoo this year, I wouldn't say that is a BIG hurdle! ;)

Ahhh, that's what I figured from looking at the standings.

Ohio could end up with six teams in the NCAA DIII playoffs.  What a state!  :)

OK, I count CWRU, Witt, MSJ, and 2 from the OAC.  Are you counting on THREE from the OAC (possible, but unlikely), or have I forgotten someone?

Yes, that's three from the OAC.  Not likely, but if things play out like I'm hoping they will, the selection committee is going to have to think long and hard about the third team.  ONU would have the best chance, considering their non-conference win over #9 North Central (who is rolling through the CCIW), but they still have to win at Capital.  The Crusaders would be the other team that would provide a compelling case (though admittedly not as strong as ONU would).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 26, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
Manchester's coach deserves the HCAC coach of the year award.  When was the last time that program had a winning record past the halfway point of the season? Not to mention, they are 4-0 in conference play and will most likely finish 5-2 (I think they lose to FC and MSJ). A 5-5 finish by them is an accomplishment considering the mess the program's been in during recent years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 09:24:48 AM
At this time he would also get my vote. I'm sure he will have them ready to play for the match up this week at home.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 25, 2009, 11:13:15 AM
Congrats to MSJ on their win yeserday.

I wasn't able to get their webcast up and tracked the game by their lives stats. which would not refresh all the time.

It looks like turnovers may have cost Franklin, but that is part of the game.

A win by MSJ against Manchester next week should lock up the title for them.

Adam, actually MSJ took off two years from being on top. ;D

I think if FC has a QB, this game is very different... this past Saturday. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2009, 09:56:03 AM
i agree Manchester has had a decent turnaround but i dont see him getting coach of the year unless they beat MSJ.  i was not that impressed by them when they played DC, DC outplayed them but had some costly mistakes (missing 5pts of kicks that were just shanks in a 1 pt game).

i would have to give my vote at this point in the season to Huber...7-0 in a fairly dominating fashion with a passing game (something that has been missing for a few years).  MSJ did not have that good of a season last year and a 5 game swing in record is impressive but doing it from 5-5 to 10-0 is a lot harder than 1-9 to 6-4. 

besides Manchester finished last year 5-5 (3-4 HCAC) and right now they are 4-3 with Franklin, MSJ, and Anderson.  my guess is 5-5 again this year...with losses against 2 bad non conference teams and beating up the bottom of one of the worst bottom halves of a conference in D3.  not coach of year material compared to the turnaround MSJ has had.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2009, 10:00:26 AM
went to the bengals game yesterday with a die hard bears fan yesterday, made him sit there till the clock read 00:00.  then he had to listen to Lapham and the post game show the whole ride home.  i have to take some time off from trash talking after running my mouth that much.  now i know what it must feel like to play for W&J with that much trash talking!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Blutarsky on October 26, 2009, 10:23:28 AM
^^^Enjoy the moment!!  As a life-long Bengals fan, I've had my nose rubbed in it several times over the years.  I'm actually proud to wear my Bengals gear out in public now......who-dey!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2009, 10:00:26 AM
went to the bengals game yesterday with a die hard bears fan yesterday, made him sit there till the clock read 00:00.  then he had to listen to Lapham and the post game show the whole ride home.  i have to take some time off from trash talking after running my mouth that much.  now i know what it must feel like to play for W&J with that much trash talking!

Same here... my buddy from Peoria IL came to town and was very hopeful about the Bears chances.  By the midpoint of the 1st Q, all he could do was keep saying "oh my god" over and over again.  The Bengals played perfectly... punted once all game and even that resulted in a 1st down as the Bears roughed the punter on 4th and 4 in the 4th Quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 26, 2009, 11:41:45 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2009, 09:56:03 AM
i agree Manchester has had a decent turnaround but i dont see him getting coach of the year unless they beat MSJ.  i was not that impressed by them when they played DC, DC outplayed them but had some costly mistakes (missing 5pts of kicks that were just shanks in a 1 pt game).

i would have to give my vote at this point in the season to Huber...7-0 in a fairly dominating fashion with a passing game (something that has been missing for a few years).  MSJ did not have that good of a season last year and a 5 game swing in record is impressive but doing it from 5-5 to 10-0 is a lot harder than 1-9 to 6-4. 

besides Manchester finished last year 5-5 (3-4 HCAC) and right now they are 4-3 with Franklin, MSJ, and Anderson.  my guess is 5-5 again this year...with losses against 2 bad non conference teams and beating up the bottom of one of the worst bottom halves of a conference in D3.  not coach of year material compared to the turnaround MSJ has had.

Rod won coach of the year in 2002 going 4-2 in conference and 5-5 overall. We were blown out that year by Hanover, Anderson, and TMC at the end of the year, being outscored something like 115-24. We also had losses out of conference to Wilmington and KZoo...not exactly world beaters. Keep in mind we were 0-10 the year before, however. If Manchester finishes 5-2 in conference, though they were 3-4 last year, I think its a worthy honor. It would be the first time that I can remember, their program having a winning conference record.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 11:59:53 AM
Bengals sure did surprise me, I took the Bears +3.

But it was a great day to have Cedric Benson on my fantasy football team, but on the downside Cutler was my QB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Crutches McGee 87 on October 26, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
Hey.  Just curious about this.  How is the Grizzly offense with the loss of Rupp at QB?  Are they still as potent or is there a noticable drop off?  It's gotta be pretty tough to fill the shoes of that size.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crutches McGee 87 on October 26, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
Hey.  Just curious about this.  How is the Grizzly offense with the loss of Rupp at QB?  Are they still as potent or is there a noticable drop off?  It's gotta be pretty tough to fill the shoes of that size.

They used three different QB's last week, I would say that should answer your question.

As you said a player of Rupps caliber is always hard to find.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 11:59:53 AM
Bengals sure did surprise me, I took the Bears +3.

But it was a great day to have Cedric Benson on my fantasy football team, but on the downside Cutler was my QB.

KY --- next time you want to give money away just shoot me an email and I'll give you a number for a wire-transfer    ;)


NOTE:  If Franklin had a QB that was "starter quality", let alone Rupp-quality then they win.   Now I'm a huge Hod Ruber supporter but I'm getting a funny feeling from this team vs what they've had to play against.   I'm not the only one... the polls are also slow to react to MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 26, 2009, 03:12:36 PM
i head to Chicago in the AM so sports radio should be fun!  got to love chicago media quote of the day from Chicago "If it weren't for postgame handshakes, the Bears defensive linemen never would've gotten close to Carson Palmer."

in regards to the coach of year Sayer i guess if you just look at conference body of work there is a small story there but really that is only they beat RHIT and DC and move from 4th to 3rd in the conference.  problem i see is still finishes 5-5 like last year with a drop off against bad earlham and k-zoo teams.  using the same logic MSJ is going to go from same 3-4 to 7-0 and the best team they beat is DC which says a lot.

of course this assumes MSJ wins against Manchester which is not written in stone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 04:02:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 01:25:00 PM

KY --- next time you want to give money away just shoot me an email and I'll give you a number for a wire-transfer    ;)



Thanks your beginning to sound like my wife >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 01:25:00 PM

NOTE:  If Franklin had a QB that was "starter quality", let alone Rupp-quality then they win.   Now I'm a huge Hod Ruber supporter but I'm getting a funny feeling from this team vs what they've had to play against.   I'm not the only one... the polls are also slow to react to MSJ.

What do you feel it takes to be a QB with starter quality in D3.

Since you were a D3 QB and probably take in more games than many of us here that you should have a good input.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 04:14:23 PM
What do you feel it takes to be a QB with starter quality in D3.

Since you were a D3 QB and probably take in more games than many of us here that you should have a good input.

I think you have starter quality at QB if the game has slowed down for the QB --- he is able to make clear decisions on what audibles work against the defense he's seeing and can make throws from the different platforms (depending on how much pressure he's feeling). 

My feeling is what you are seeing at Franklin, not uncommon for 1st time starters, is that everything is moving too fast for the kids playing QB.  Whomever has the game slow down for them 1st.... will be the starter at FC for the next couple years... THEN, he can settle down and just make plays... like backyard football ala Chad Rupp (though admittedly probably NOT as good as CR was).

Thats my opinoin..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 26, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 04:14:23 PM
What do you feel it takes to be a QB with starter quality in D3.

Since you were a D3 QB and probably take in more games than many of us here that you should have a good input.

I think you have starter quality at QB if the game has slowed down for the QB --- he is able to make clear decisions on what audibles work against the defense he's seeing and can make throws from the different platforms (depending on how much pressure he's feeling). 

My feeling is what you are seeing at Franklin, not uncommon for 1st time starters, is that everything is moving too fast for the kids playing QB.  Whomever has the game slow down for them 1st.... will be the starter at FC for the next couple years... THEN, he can settle down and just make plays... like backyard football ala Chad Rupp (though admittedly probably NOT as good as CR was).

Thats my opinoin..

Saints Fan,

I think you make a good point.  I can recall when Rupp was a freshman and a sophomore and while you knew he had some real talent he wasn't tearing up the conference like he did his last two years.  Both Wray and Purichia  have had some good moments but they are essentially first year signal callers even though they are juniors with mostly new receivers as well.  Being 5-2 with both losses coming to teams yet to lose is nothing to be ashamed of.

It remains to be seen how good MSJ really is. I think they run the table but are at the mercy of the seeding process.  I can seem them getting somebody like Bash or Trine at home (if they are lucky). MSJ will get a home game if they stay unbeaten. IMO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 26, 2009, 08:38:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2009, 12:16:35 PM
But they were still a playoff team. Last year they finished with a losing record in conference play.

MSJ...2009 HCAC Champions

Nice banner
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Crutches McGee 87 on October 27, 2009, 01:34:23 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crutches McGee 87 on October 26, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
Hey.  Just curious about this.  How is the Grizzly offense with the loss of Rupp at QB?  Are they still as potent or is there a noticable drop off?  It's gotta be pretty tough to fill the shoes of that size.

They used three different QB's last week, I would say that should answer your question.

As you said a player of Rupps caliber is always hard to find.

Thanks KY.  I've seen Rupp play twice in the post season (with a record of 1-1) and was impressed both years.  Especially when they came in last year and beat my beloved  North Central College Cardinals.  Maybe you can come to IL to find a Rupp caliber QB... if you can take them away from NCC  ;D :P.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 27, 2009, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 05:23:05 PM

I think you have starter quality at QB if the game has slowed down for the QB --- he is able to make clear decisions on what audibles work against the defense he's seeing and can make throws from the different platforms (depending on how much pressure he's feeling). 

My feeling is what you are seeing at Franklin, not uncommon for 1st time starters, is that everything is moving too fast for the kids playing QB.  Whomever has the game slow down for them 1st.... will be the starter at FC for the next couple years... THEN, he can settle down and just make plays... like backyard football ala Chad Rupp (though admittedly probably NOT as good as CR was).

Thats my opinoin..

Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2009, 08:45:39 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 26, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 26, 2009, 04:14:23 PM
What do you feel it takes to be a QB with starter quality in D3.

Since you were a D3 QB and probably take in more games than many of us here that you should have a good input.

I think you have starter quality at QB if the game has slowed down for the QB --- he is able to make clear decisions on what audibles work against the defense he's seeing and can make throws from the different platforms (depending on how much pressure he's feeling).  

My feeling is what you are seeing at Franklin, not uncommon for 1st time starters, is that everything is moving too fast for the kids playing QB.  Whomever has the game slow down for them 1st.... will be the starter at FC for the next couple years... THEN, he can settle down and just make plays... like backyard football ala Chad Rupp (though admittedly probably NOT as good as CR was).

Thats my opinoin..

It remains to be seen how good MSJ really is. I think they run the table but are at the mercy of the seeding process.  I can seem them getting somebody like Bash or Trine at home (if they are lucky). MSJ will get a home game if they stay unbeaten. IMO.

I think, even if MSJ finishes 10-0, they will be a 5 seed and play #4 Wheaton for the 3rd time in the playoffs (this year kind of has the 2004 feel to it - i.e. Wheaton is very highly ranked, loses late in the year). If they lose to TMC, they will be the #7 playing #2 Otterbein. The MIAA Champ should be the #8....They still have to get there first, which shouldn't be a problem, but.....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 27, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
Sayer- If & I mean if  ;D  MSJ goes undefeated after beating what would be two top 25 teams (Franklin & TMC) at the time wouldn't you think they would host a playoff game?  Then again it really depends on how they shuffle the top seeds.  I guess they couldn't put UWW, Central, St. John's, Linfield, Monmouth & the CCIW champ all west.  6 prosective top 10s that could end up in the west.  UWW, CCIW aq, & Monmouth could head to the north.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2009, 09:12:08 AM
Its definitely a possibility, but I think the overall strength of the HCAC, as well as the strength of their nonconference schedule will hurt them. The difference between a home and road game would probably be how they beat TMC. A convincing win would probably give them a #4 and a home game. A close game and their overall SOS will probably keep them at a #5.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2009, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2009, 09:12:08 AM
Its definitely a possibility, but I think the overall strength of the HCAC, as well as the strength of their nonconference schedule will hurt them. The difference between a home and road game would probably be how they beat TMC. A convincing win would probably give them a #4 and a home game. A close game and their overall SOS will probably keep them at a #5.

You're assuming they beat TMC ---- depending on what happens on Saturday, TMC may need that game more than MSJ does.  Then again, do you think the gap from last season has closed that much when you add the recruits from last year to each team?  I don't. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2009, 10:59:49 AM
It does when you add a QB who can throw the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
it definitely helps... but doesn't close the gap completely... we'll see what happens after this Saturday.  I look forward to hearing your impressions after The Bridge Bowl.  TMC will challenge the MSJ offensive line... they are 13th in the country in sacks per game...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2009, 12:59:22 PM
Where is the TMC game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 28, 2009, 12:59:22 PM
Where is the TMC game?

PA Oct 31st
KY Nov 7th
Delhi Nov 14th
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Most Known, Unknown. on October 28, 2009, 02:29:06 PM
[
Quoteb]Now that undefeated Mount St. Joseph (7-0 overall, 5-0 in HCAC) is back on top of the heap of the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference after upsetting Franklin, the Lions must quickly remember how it feels to be the hunted. Mount St. Joseph will find that out at Manchester on Saturday. The Spartans are this year's surprise HCAC team with a 4-0 conference record after losing their first three games. One of those losses was a 16-14 defeat to defending Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association champs Trine on Sept. 3.[/b]
I PREDICT MSJ WINNING 35-14. I THINK THE TEAM IS ROLLING HAVING WON 7 IN A ROW, AND IT LOOKS FROM THE LAST GAME AGAINST FRANKLIN, THAT DEFENSE IS FINDING THEMSELVES.... WHAT IS GOIN ON WITH DANE OVER AT MSJ.. WHEN IS HE GOING TO UPDATE THE FOOTBALL INFORMATION....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/2009/Collier+answers+call+for+Thomas+More
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
Nice to see MSJ come out as the # 5 in the North Region.  If they can win out they could have a shot for a home playoff game.  Especially if they can beat TMC in the Bridge Bowl if TMC comes in undefeated.  TMC has a HUGE game this Saturday.  The teams ahead of MSJ all have a tough schedule ahead of them as they wrap up their seasons,  MSJ too.   
On the other hand I'm still hoping for a DC upset on the 7th against MSJ.  ;D  This is the best part of the year of football, when things begin to unfold & start determining who will be in the mix for the playoffs.  DIAA, DII, & DIII have it right with the playoff system.  I know it has it flaws, but it much more enjoyable seeing who makes the cut & who doesn't.  Maybe they should build a reality TV program around it :D. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2009, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 29, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
Nice to see MSJ come out as the # 5 in the North Region.  If they can win out they could have a shot for a home playoff game.  Especially if they can beat TMC in the Bridge Bowl if TMC comes in undefeated.  TMC has a HUGE game this Saturday.  The teams ahead of MSJ all have a tough schedule ahead of them as they wrap up their seasons,  MSJ too.   
On the other hand I'm still hoping for a DC upset on the 7th against MSJ.  ;D  This is the best part of the year of football, when things begin to unfold & start determining who will be in the mix for the playoffs.  DIAA, DII, & DIII have it right with the playoff system.  I know it has it flaws, but it much more enjoyable seeing who makes the cut & who doesn't.  Maybe they should build a reality TV program around it :D. 

Very much agree about MSJ getting a home game... but don't tread on TMC... even if they win on Saturday at W&J ---- they have a huge payback game with Geneva AND MSJ in the following weeks.  I just talked to a coach up there and they are VERY healthy, amazingly so... because they've played reserves in 4 of their games.  The talent on offense and defense is one of which, even most of you would be impressed by.  If this is a two-loss team in 2009 then I will be shocked.  The offense is multiple, they have a QB who can be a 125 yard rusher and a 225 yard passer on any day (Senior) and have a Senior TB (Collier) who takes over in crucial situations ... to go along with 3 other speedy RBs and 4-5 WR's who are playmakers.  The playcalling has been tremendous and they force defenses to defend the entire field.  Stellman will roll right and throw all the way to the backside sideline.  The defense, with 2 freshman from Elder (DB and LB) is very fast and swarming... they only give up 58 yards per game on the ground.  They've put themselves in great position going into their final 3 games --- which will also be the toughest because they are good teams (one loss between them) and they are right in a row. 

I put the following on the PAC page in response to what I think will transpire this week (after seeing W&J on tape vs. what I've seen from TMC and heard about the wrinkles they are putting in for this game).... sorry its not a HCAC Topic... but should've been, had the Saints been accepted into the conference.
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Obviously this is a huge match-up in Washington, PA on Saturday.  Both teams will help eachother get ready for the Dance... I do think that both will make it again this year.  More on that in a minute. 

W&J's 4-2-5 defense has playmakers all over it.  They have DB's leading the team in tackles... normally, this would be cause for alarm... but thats the strength of that defense ---speed and just reacting.  The Presidents also have a DE who is leading the country in sacks at 11.5... this defense will be tested on Saturday just as they'll test the resolve of Thomas More's offense, just like in last year's game where Sirrianni was quoted as saying you can't really prepare for the spread option attack TMC has... you just have to hope to adjust to it in-game.  TMC has MORE speed this year than they did last year and is deeper.  They will play 5-6 WR's this week (they didn't play #1 because he had a birth in his family last Saturday).  They will also start Collier and Owens at RB and play 3 others with them.  At QB Stellman is 100% for this game and look for the Saints to keep doing what they've been doing with the mix of run/pass.  There may also be a few new things that aren't on tape --- as they haven't been run yet this year.   I feel the Saints will have the Presidents defense thinking more than they are used to and this will open up some big plays like last season. 

Defensively, TMC knows that W&J is good...  The Saints will play very fast to the ball and may be targeted by a misdirection play..  but W&J is not going to go away from what they've been doing... run and throw with efficiency.  TMC is ready... they have improved their defense with a few freshman and sophomores playing at LB and DB (3 to be exact).  These kids are big-time recruits for this level, with 2 of the 3 playing at Cincinnati Elder HS --- they have big game experience playing in front of 20,000.    I think TMC will limit the Presidents running game and rally up on the short passing game.  W&J had 10-12 play drives last year and came away with no points.  That should be the plan again this year for TMC.. Though that WR, Besong... is a veteran and will find holes in the zones.  I expect him to have 10 catches on Saturday... I think W&J will need a couple big plays (they JUST missed on a couple last year in KY) -- and hopefully the Saints defense will have them defended. 

If everyone remembers the 6 point win wasn't really that last year... I know what the scoreboard said, but the TMC offense took over in the 2nd and 3rd quarter.  I don't expect that same level of dominance over a length of time that long... but I do think TMC wins this one 31- 24. 


Now... I don't think this is the end of the world for W&J... they win out, go 9-1 and will be in the playoffs.... probably even a better seed than TMC again in 2009.  If TMC loses... they must win their final 2 --- with a win over MSJ, they will be in as well...... though I don't think they could get the #5 seed in the South as 2nd place PAC team.  Make no mistake, this game is about respect and TMC knows the only way to gain it and show EVERYONE that last year wasn't a fluke... is to make a statement on Saturday.  They respect W&J and love the competition with them... and have nothing bad to say about that program... TMC obviously doesn't have the history W&J does --- TMC is trying to write some history of their own though.

Win or lose, I will be here on Saturday night and Sunday... to talk about playoff ramifications.  Heres to a healthy week for all PAC teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 30, 2009, 10:43:09 AM
SaintsFan...tell us how you really feel ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 30, 2009, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 30, 2009, 10:43:09 AM
SaintsFan...tell us how you really feel ;D

70 --- Thanks.  I'm assuming there were too many big words in there??  JK... where is the Defiance/MSJ game this year?  In Cincy, right?  Are you going?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 30, 2009, 11:09:49 AM
It is in Cincy. I'd love to join you but I'll be in Columbus.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 30, 2009, 03:39:30 PM
i am going to try to be there but depends on my work schedule and if i will be in chicago and if my brothers team is playing in the 2nd round i might stick around there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 31, 2009, 07:26:32 AM
It's official...I coach the worst HS football team in the city of Cincinnati. We did beat Norwood so I wonder how hey feel?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 31, 2009, 02:35:21 PM
Wow, after watching the first half of the DC game all I can say is their coaching staff is awful.  They are very predictable with play selection & their players make careless errors that should be coached from offense, defense & special teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2009, 03:58:06 PM
Thomas More 2009 PAC Champs!!

W&J had 84 yards of offense in Quarter 1... with their only TD.

Then they had 71 yards the LAST 45 MINUTES . . . chew on that... thats quite a defensive job

oh yeah... when they had to close out the game in the 4th Quarter, they only gave up 25 yards of offense in 4th Quarter.  For real


http://www.washjeff.edu/Athletics/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 31, 2009, 04:27:09 PM
Damn you are fast Saintsfan!  congrats on the huge win.  love that you posted before 4pm and already have your signature updated with 2009
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2009, 04:35:55 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 31, 2009, 04:27:09 PM
Damn you are fast Saintsfan!  congrats on the huge win.  love that you posted before 4pm and already have your signature updated with 2009

Had to be fast ... I'm EXTREMELY proud of Jim Hilvert and the fellas... Last time W&J was beat in successive seasons by the same team??  You have to go back 10 years.  

Still is business to tend to for this year, but I will tell you this... my phone is blowing up with TMC football alums who are damned proud of what is going on in Crestview Hills.  Will be a huge crowd/celebration for us alums at next week's home finale against Geneva.  There's also 30 of us going to Bridge Bowl.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 31, 2009, 06:46:26 PM
Congrats to both TMC for locking up the PAC.  Also congrats to MSJ for pretty much locking up a undefeated HCAC record & possible undefeated regular season.  Still have to get past the inconsistent Jackets & then the Saints.  Both TMC & MSJ should see some nice jumps in their regions when next weeks rankings come out.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 31, 2009, 08:11:27 PM
WTF happend to Franklin? After being nationally ranked majority of the year, it is feasible they could finish 4th in the HCAC.

Congrats MSJ. Back to the playoffs (which I think everyone knew once the clock hit 0:00 last week).

14 Days and counting!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 31, 2009, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 31, 2009, 02:35:21 PM
Wow, after watching the first half of the DC game all I can say is their coaching staff is awful.  They are very predictable with play selection & their players make careless errors that should be coached from offense, defense & special teams.

I don't know what to say about that game I watched today. No way to sugar coat the Jackets performance because it was pitiful all the way around today and all season. The best they'll finish is 4-6 IF they beat a woeful Bluffton team which is a big IF. I don't even want to think about what MSJ will do to them in Delhi on Saturday. There are some awful teams in the HCAC this year and winning a measly 3 league games, IF they beat Bluffton, this year is simply sad.  They'll be lucky to gain 75 yards against some of the assassins MSJ has on defense. Hopefully Coach Rod puts a leash on his crew going into the Bridge Bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 31, 2009, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 31, 2009, 02:35:21 PM
Wow, after watching the first half of the DC game all I can say is their coaching staff is awful.  They are very predictable with play selection & their players make careless errors that should be coached from offense, defense & special teams.

I don't know what to say about that game I watched today. No way to sugar coat the Jackets performance because it was pitiful all the way around today and all season. The best they'll finish is 4-6 IF they beat a woeful Bluffton team which is a big IF. I don't even want to think about what MSJ will do to them in Delhi on Saturday. There are some awful teams in the HCAC this year and winning a measly 3 league games, IF they beat Bluffton, this year is simply sad.  They'll be lucky to gain 75 yards against some of the assassins MSJ has on defense. Hopefully Coach Rod puts a leash on his crew going into the Bridge Bowl.

Go MOUNT (St Joe)... we want them unbeaten on November 14th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 01, 2009, 07:24:38 PM
Don't worry, they will be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
I would hope so.. I mean come on, look at the Heartland this year.  Combine that with pastry-esque non conference and there is your recipe for 9-1.. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 02, 2009, 07:05:18 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
I would hope so.. I mean come on, look at the Heartland this year.  Combine that with pastry-esque non conference and there is your recipe for 9-1.. ;)
Been saying it all year, the HCAC is not very good, there's some bad football teams in the league this year ... Manchester is second and it has a loss to Earlham, which is joining the league next year. The sad thing for MSJ is they haven't been tested at all by their league schedule, don't fret though the Jackets are coming to town Saturday  :D, that'll test the Lions. I'm not knocking MSJ, I'm just saying they haven't played anyone yet and totally agree with SaintsFan.  Thomas More has to be the favorite in the Bridge Bowl with its win over Wash and Jeff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 02, 2009, 08:12:29 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
I would hope so.. I mean come on, look at the Heartland this year.  Combine that with pastry-esque non conference and there is your recipe for 9-1.. ;)

interesting thinking a loss to DC with a win in the bridge bowl??  yea right i am just wonderinng who is going to beat Texas so UC has a shot at the BCS.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 02, 2009, 08:13:55 AM
Congrats to Mount St. Joe's and also to SaintFan's Thomas More as conference champs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2009, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 02, 2009, 08:12:29 AM
interesting thinking a loss to DC with a win in the bridge bowl??  yea right i am just wonderinng who is going to beat Texas so UC has a shot at the BCS.

What makes me laugh is the media in Cincy has a total ignorance about Thomas More.  A radio station this morning was hyping up Mount St. Joe on the sports segment during the drive into work.  They said how "MSJ was doing great and finished the tough part of the season and is 8-0 on the way to being 10-0 and making the playoffs".   They actually said how this is MSJ's 2nd 10-0 season in the history of the program.  

Not one word was mentioned about Thomas More, even with the result of last year's Bridge Bowl --- and this isn't isolated.  I have a buddy who was one of the first TMC All-Americans who has a running debate with AM Sports Talk host, Lance McAllister about this same topic.  

All Thomas More can do is beat everyone on the schedule and then keep doing so...

D3football.com has them at #11 this week and I can't wait to see where they are ranked in the South Region on Wednesday following the way they defeated the South Region's #3 team.   The defensive speed and intensity shocked W&J this past Saturday.  If they are able to stay multiple on offense, with that defense ---- I think TMC has the makings of making a Regional Final this postseason.


We'll see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2009, 04:15:56 PM
AFCA rankings

Thomas More #10
Washington and Jefferson #15
Mount St. Joe #19


** Hopefully weather isn't an excuse, er factor on November 14th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 02, 2009, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 02, 2009, 08:13:55 AM
Congrats to Mount St. Joe's and also to SaintFan's Thomas More as conference champs.
I second that.   I missed the FC game in Terre Haute last weekend and have no idea what transpired on FC's end.  My son and I drove to Iowa City instead and watched Indiana blow a 10 point 4th qtr lead instead.  Kinnick stadium at capacity on sunny 50 degree day. A lot of fun even in a loss
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 02, 2009, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 02, 2009, 08:13:55 AM
Congrats to Mount St. Joe's and also to SaintFan's Thomas More as conference champs.
I second that.   I missed the FC game in Terre Haute last weekend and have no idea what transpired on FC's end.  My son and I drove to Iowa City instead and watched Indiana blow a 10 point 4th qtr lead instead.  Kinnick stadium at capacity on sunny 50 degree day. A lot of fun even in a loss

Indiana played like utter crap in the second half, but that game would have been out of hand had the Big 10 officials not blown a call, even after replay. What's with officiating this year? Been terrible.....

The SEC backs Urban Meyer's decision to sit Brandon Spikes for 1 half for eye gouging a Georgia runningback. This is an unfortunate part of the game (reason why most RB's wear face shields), but Spikes's was as obvious and blatant as can be and on Nat'l TV. The SEC should be ashamed of themselves for officiating blunders (all seemingly in favor of Florida) and now this. The conference is a joke. They win and are successful, but only in sports. The academics and ethics of the players in these conferences is a complete and utter mockery of the NCAA and yet, the SEC Big Whigs don't complain, or do very little, only in an attempt to show they are doing "something," because their wallets keep getting fatter. Anything to keep an SEC team in the National Championship.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2009, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
The SEC backs Urban Meyer's decision to sit Brandon Spikes for 1 half for eye gouging a Georgia runningback. This is an unfortunate part of the game (reason why most RB's wear face shields), but Spikes's was as obvious and blatant as can be and on Nat'l TV. The SEC should be ashamed of themselves for officiating blunders (all seemingly in favor of Florida) and now this. The conference is a joke. They win and are successful, but only in sports. The academics and ethics of the players in these conferences is a complete and utter mockery of the NCAA and yet, the SEC Big Whigs don't complain, or do very little, only in an attempt to show they are doing "something," because their wallets keep getting fatter. Anything to keep an SEC team in the National Championship.

hmm..... good to see a Coach stand up against cheap shots...

Developing
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Developing...you Ansel Adams all of a sudden???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2009, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Developing...you Ansel Adams all of a sudden???

nope... it means I'll have more to say in a week.  After we beat the 2nd best team on our schedule this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 04, 2009, 08:06:56 AM
Ansel Adams nice one they do teach some soft skills at MSJ.

Big Ten - Star of OSU Defense Kurt Coleman has a late hit that was just him playing his normal style of hard hitting up to the last second and missed the wistle. was not malicious or intent to injure.  he is from my hometown and is an SOB on the field but does not have a "malicious" bone in his body...SUSPENDED 1 Game

PAC10 - Star RB for Oregon punches someone .it was malicious and a reaction to being provoked. SUSPENDED ENTIRE SEASON

SEC - Star of UF Defense Brandon Spikes deliberatley gouges the eyes of an opponent with intent to injure and he fully admits that it was for revenge...and very clear and malicious on National TV.  Ability to injure gouging someones eyes is a lot easier than a "fade away" punch from a RB.  SUSPENDED 1/2 game.

I have to agree with Sayer that the standard for the SEC does not seem to be the same.  Urban Meyer is a genious...i'll suspend him for 1/2 a game so if i need him in the 2nd half if Vanderbilt plays well i can get him.  No way the SEC will trump me if i suspend him :)  and we should be up by 35pts at half so if we are i can just sit him in the second half and look good for extending it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 04, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
I did take a Middle School art class while at MSJ :)

The SEC is and always will be about sports and only sports. If I'm not mistaken, the SEC is the most arrested conference....but as Hubie always said, "Everyone Loves a Winner." This is an example of the SEC doing the bare minimum to give the impression that they are doing something.

Coleman wasn't the only Big 10 player to be suspended either. Michigan had one and Zack Reckman, Purdue's starting guard, was suspended for a game as well. The Big 10 has their issues like all teams, but it seems that the Big 10 and schools in the Big 10 care about putting out a quality product as well as quality people.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2009, 02:31:22 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 04, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
I did take a Middle School art class while at MSJ :)


same classroom that girl decided to torch last school year??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on November 04, 2009, 02:34:31 PM
Let's not forget about the rampant oversigning that goes on in the SEC.  Programs may only have 20 or 21 scholarships to offer players, but they go out and make offers (sign) 32-35 guys knowing and expecting that many won't qualify.  The ones that do, but don't end up getting taken, are grey-shirted or shipped off to community colleges.  Not to say that this doesn't happen in other conferences, but it is out of control in the SEC.  But it's okay, because they passed legislation that "limits" it.  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2009, 03:56:11 PM
MSJ  #3 in North
TMC #3 in South


Regional Rankings are out.  2nd edition for 2009.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2009, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2009, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Developing...you Ansel Adams all of a sudden???

nope... it means I'll have more to say in a week.  After we beat the 2nd best team on our schedule this week.

That's almost laughable. Geneva has played 1 team all year with a winning record and got beat by 21 points. Their 7-1 record is highlighted by a huge win over the heavyweight Frostburg State (0-8) and 2 wins over powerhouse St. Vincent (0-9). Are you sh!tt!n me??? If TMC loses this game, they should get their playoff bid taken away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 09:44:30 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2009, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2009, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 03, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Developing...you Ansel Adams all of a sudden???

nope... it means I'll have more to say in a week.  After we beat the 2nd best team on our schedule this week.

That's almost laughable. Geneva has played 1 team all year with a winning record and got beat by 21 points. Their 7-1 record is highlighted by a huge win over the heavyweight Frostburg State (0-8) and 2 wins over powerhouse St. Vincent (0-9). Are you sh!tt!n me??? If TMC loses this game, they should get their playoff bid taken away.

oh, yeah right... they'd absolutely go 4-6 in the Heartland.  OK.  I stand by what I'm saying here.  You'll see results of this in 9 days
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2009, 11:44:39 AM
I never said anything about how they would do in the HCAC, but MSJ would beat that team easily. Fact is, they are on the same level as Franklin which in turn would imply RHIT could beat them as well. Franklin at least has a win against a probable playoff team. Geneva can't seem to play, let alone beat, anyone with a winning record. So to answer your question, they would be an 8-2/7-3 HCAC team.

Notes:
The past 2 seasons, Geneva is 1-4 against teams with a winning record. That lone victory was 17-13 win, November 8 against TMC.

Geneva is 2-0 against TMC winning both games by a combined 5 points.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 11:59:50 AM
I'm going to agree with Sayer that Geneva should be no match for TMC.  I am hoping though that TMC is taking this week very seriously though. 
On the TMC/MSJ match up coming it should be HUGE if both teams win this weekend.  TMC would be the #2 in the South (really should be #1 with more in region victories than Wesley & Hampden having a bye.  MSJ will probably stay at #3 if Witt beats Allegheny but will crack the top 25 if & I mean if they beat DC.  There will be a lot of hype & I'm hoping both teams will bring their A game to the table.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
all I'm saying is the people who know football in and around the PAC are saying Geneva is an up and comer. 

Their Super Bowl is this Saturday and MSJ's is the following Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 05, 2009, 02:15:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
all I'm saying is the people who know football are saying Geneva is an up and comer. 

Their Super Bowl is this Saturday and MSJ's is the following Saturday.

News Flash!!!

SaintsFAN says Adam Sayer knows nothing about football.

Hope you liked my selective news editing report. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 05, 2009, 02:15:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
all I'm saying is the people who know football are saying Geneva is an up and comer. 

Their Super Bowl is this Saturday and MSJ's is the following Saturday.

News Flash!!!

SaintsFAN says Adam Sayer knows nothing about football.

Hope you liked my selective news editing report. ;D

obviously!!!  ask him what his teams' records are while he's been at Purcell Marion  --- this should elicit a good response from him
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday! 

It's Cincinnati - from jr high to pro levels, do they know anything but?  ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday!  

It's Cincinnati - from jr high to pro levels, do they know anything but?  ;D ;D ;D ;)

at the HS level --- Ohio knows ... at the D3 college level ---- KY knows   ;)


TMC has to get through this week of revenge and then its Bridge Bowl week ---- but as fans, I'm able to look forward to what we are going to do in Delhi next Saturday.  


Its not just me saying it... see below:

Quote from: HScoach on November 04, 2009, 06:33:53 PM
That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points. 

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 04:40:00 PM
Comment was targeted at the "smack" between you and Sayer - nothin' else.  ;D

If I'd not seen the Witt-'Bash game, I'd agree with HSCoach, but I did - and then watched the replay.  While not at MUC, MUU, or UMU level - whatever they are called at this juncture, Wittenberg was certainly for real on the 17th ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 05, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 05, 2009, 02:15:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
all I'm saying is the people who know football are saying Geneva is an up and comer. 

Their Super Bowl is this Saturday and MSJ's is the following Saturday.

News Flash!!!

SaintsFAN says Adam Sayer knows nothing about football.

Hope you liked my selective news editing report. ;D

obviously!!!  ask him what his teams' records are while he's been at Purcell Marion  --- this should elicit a good response from him

2-8, 1-9, and 1-9. However, I've been the O-line coach 2 years and we have averaged over 100 yards rushing per game and 2 different RB's have been named 1st team GCL.

The last 2 years we have "competed" against other teams in the GCL (not so much this year but we were down 28-22, 28-20, and 12-3 going into the 4th quarter against McNick, Chaminade, and Badin). Though we haven't won, we have been close and had chances to win (last year we lost 7 games by a TD or less). My first year they averaged getting beat 33-6 and the years before wasn't any better.

I've called plays 2 times this year. The first time we scored more points and had more yards than any other GCL game  we played and the second time was against Alter. We scored more points against their varsity team than any other GCL team scored on them. If our QB makes the proper throw on a fake bubble-slant at the end of the game (he threw the bubble though the safety and corner ran up on it leaving the slant wide open in the endzone), we would have scored 21 which would have matched the highest point total Alter gave up all year...to a DI school.

I don't have a problem admitting when I'm wrong or screw up, but Purcell's problem is far from having me.  There are A LOT of things that go on that I disgree with and think should he done/handled differently but I'm not the head coach and there's only so much I can do regarding player accountability.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 11:09:02 PM
You need to move on from that school.. And stop taking me so seriously.. Maybe I shouldn't say anything next week? I don't want to make you feel bad..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
Besides that, you should get 100 yards when the 1st team offense faces the JV Team during the 2nd half!  :)


Its almost Bridge Bowl week.. I can't wait
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2009, 08:23:05 AM
Massey Ratings are out for college football...

http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?s=94988&t=11620&o=1


Thomas More is 24th in D3 and MSJ 54th. 

This is a similar formula to the BCS. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2009, 08:55:44 AM
I don't feel bad...just setting the record straight and in all honesty I may be looking at my "options" in a few months. I get a heck of a deal through the archdiocese on my Master's degree and that's really the only thing keeping me on Hackberry. Its one thing when a couple sports have a down year here and there, but every sport at Purcell gets beaten like a drum (exception: Swimming and wrestling) and its been going on for 4-5 years. Other than those 2 sports, nothing else has success. It's a losing culture and the whole school community is infected. Being 1 coach with limited control its tough to alter any perceptions.

As far as the Bridge Bowl is concerned, you're not telling me anything different than what I know. TMC plays defense. They may have a top-5 defense. I'm a believer that Defenses wins games so I think TMC has the advantage in this game. If this was any MSJ team in the past, there would be ZERO chance of them winning. This year's team has a chance because they have a good QB for once and thus far, this is the best offense in MSJ history (with all due respect to 2004, this offense can run and throw...we just ran the ball and did it well). On the contrary, this may be TMC's best defense ever. You had some good ones in the mid-90's, but I don't think any of them have shut down teams as often as this team has.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2009, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2009, 08:55:44 AM
On the contrary, this may be TMC's best defense ever. You had some good ones in the mid-90's, but I don't think any of them have shut down teams as often as this team has.

I agree.  This is probably the best defense the school has had.  They take away the run and make teams one-dimensional, thus giving them the ability to rush the passer.  They did this last Saturday at W&J --- and Tyler Owens at nose tackle was unstoppable.  When they rushed 3 or 4, the Saints were still getting pressure on the QB.  This helped them to make W&J very below average, offensively ---- even with the playmakers they have on offense.  I can't wait to see what this translates to in The Bridge Bowl.  

I don't think TMC is the heavy favorite -- but they've played much better competition up to this point.


MSJ's QB has some good stats --- two things jump out at me, though.  ONLY BEEN SACKED 5 times this year.  And,  a #1 WR who is averaging 20 per catch with 11 TDs on 38 catches.   We'll see how our stud freshman CB's match up with him. 

It doesn't look like (through the numbers) that the QB has been pressured much.   Against the RHIT and Franklin, the #1 WR combined for 6 catches 64 yards and 1 TD. 

They've gotten alot of big plays through the air
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday!  

It's Cincinnati - from jr high to pro levels, do they know anything but?  ;D ;D ;D ;)

at the HS level --- Ohio knows ... at the D3 college level ---- KY knows   ;)


TMC has to get through this week of revenge and then its Bridge Bowl week ---- but as fans, I'm able to look forward to what we are going to do in Delhi next Saturday.  


Its not just me saying it... see below:

Quote from: HScoach on November 04, 2009, 06:33:53 PM
That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points. 

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere. 
That is what people were saying last year about Franklin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2009, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday!  

It's Cincinnati - from jr high to pro levels, do they know anything but?  ;D ;D ;D ;)

at the HS level --- Ohio knows ... at the D3 college level ---- KY knows   ;)


TMC has to get through this week of revenge and then its Bridge Bowl week ---- but as fans, I'm able to look forward to what we are going to do in Delhi next Saturday.  


Its not just me saying it... see below:

Quote from: HScoach on November 04, 2009, 06:33:53 PM
That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points. 

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere. 
That is what people were saying last year about Franklin. 

Especially after they played Wheaton.

[Sorry, too easy! ;D]
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday!  

It's Cincinnati - from jr high to pro levels, do they know anything but?  ;D ;D ;D ;)

at the HS level --- Ohio knows ... at the D3 college level ---- KY knows   ;)


TMC has to get through this week of revenge and then its Bridge Bowl week ---- but as fans, I'm able to look forward to what we are going to do in Delhi next Saturday.  


Its not just me saying it... see below:

Quote from: HScoach on November 04, 2009, 06:33:53 PM
That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points.  

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere.  
That is what people were saying last year about Franklin.  

WITH a QB who had led them to the playoffs in 2007.  

THAT Franklin team (last year) is gonna be about the best the HCAC can offer --- I don't think you can compare the two teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 06, 2009, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2009, 11:10:06 AMEspecially after they played Wheaton.

[Sorry, too easy! ;D]

???
They beat a 9-1 OAC team, then beat a 11-0 CCIW team, and you cherry pick the Wheaton game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2009, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2009, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 06, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 05, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Even though it has already started, I'm looking forward to a lot of trash talk after this Saturday!  

It's Cincinnati - from jr high to pro levels, do they know anything but?  ;D ;D ;D ;)

at the HS level --- Ohio knows ... at the D3 college level ---- KY knows   ;)


TMC has to get through this week of revenge and then its Bridge Bowl week ---- but as fans, I'm able to look forward to what we are going to do in Delhi next Saturday.  


Its not just me saying it... see below:

Quote from: HScoach on November 04, 2009, 06:33:53 PM
That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points. 

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere. 
That is what people were saying last year about Franklin. 

Especially after they played Wheaton.

[Sorry, too easy! ;D]
Darn you Ypsi, darn you!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 06, 2009, 09:29:58 PM
We've also had a plethora of discussions about the advantages a school like Wheaton has vs a school like MSJ (or most schools in the HCAC for that matter).

Admittedly, schools in the HCAC need to be more than a 1-hit wonder. They need to show they can compete (and beat) those teams on a regular basis. In MSJ's defense, in 2007, they did beat a 6-1 Illinois Wesleyan team who shared the CCIW championship and last year Franklin did beat North Central (the CCIW champ) and came within a mouse fart of beating them the year prior in the playoffs. I realize neither FC or MSJ has fared well against Wheaton, but outside of that, they are 2-2 (a hail mary away from 3-1) against quality teams from the CCIW the past couple of seasons.

Looks like HSCoach needs to get his sh!t straight and realize that a 7-3 CCIW team would probably not beat a HCAC champion and overall, though a slow process, the HCAC is getting better and the top HCAC teams are starting to compete with the top CCIW teams. This year was a step backwards but still doesn't discredit the multiple steps forward the conference has taken with MSJ and FC in recent years. Does it need to keep happening...of course, but it's not like the HCAC is getting crushed...except when they play Wheaton.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2009, 12:14:42 AM
I apologize to all HCAC fans for the cheap shot - but dc just teed it up irresistably! ;D

As an observer (and fan) of all of d3, I think the HCAC is definitely on the rise.

But you've still got a ways to go - and adding Earlham is NOT the answer!  A school whose president sees .500 as the goal! :o

If paired #1 to #1, #2 to #2, etc., the results would not be pretty against a number of nearby conferences (I'd guess 0 wins against WIAC and probably OAC, maybe 1 or 2 wins against CCIW, 2 to 3 against NCAC, though you might have a winning record against MIAA and NathCon.).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2009, 07:38:04 AM
Unfortunately for us footballers, FB is not the only determining factor in adding a team to a conference. However, if I had my choice, I'd take Wabash (which I thought was a possibility as well). I don't know how good/bad the other sports teams are at either school, but Wabash seems to have more history and they definately have more fan support which leads me to believe their other sports programs are pretty good also. In terms of academia, I honestly believe a degree is a degree. An engineering degree might look better from RHIT than it would MSJ, but overall, that $120,000 piece of paper looks pretty good from any college (maybe not the community colleges or technical colleges you see popping up all over the place).

This is not a knock on Earlham by any means either. Just stating that overall, if Wabash was an option, they were a better option at the time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2009, 08:18:02 AM
Good comments Sayer.  I would agree with you on that.  However, unless you and your HCAC colleagues know something that I/we don't (in which speaking strickly for myself, that is definitely a 100% absolute fact i.e. I have no idea or any connenction to any source that would know :)) regarding what the "powers that be" were saying/thinking about this, I do not think that Wabash would ever leave the NCAC for the HCAC.  While from some standpoints it would make sense (i.e. the distance/location aspects), there still is the perceived difference by some people of the current power level of the teams in both conferences and...perhaps, unfortunately and wrongly, the academic level as well (many of you have already discussed some of these aspects in the past).  No disrespect to the HCAC is intended here, but while the NCAC has their bottom "rung" less successful teams and some of the HCAC teams are having some pretty down years as well, I still think some people believe that overall the NCAC is a better conference in both categories - the Earlham "philosophy" of its current president regarding what constitutes an acceptable "success" goal to strive for as has been mentioned and discussed here notwithstanding.  As you say and allude to, I think that anyone who attends and graduates from any of the schools in either conference will come away with a very good education (given, of course, that a big portion of that is up to the individual as well i.e. individual responsibility in learning, hard work and dedication in studies, etc., etc. ;), while the other "half" of that is a student-athlete choosing the right "fit" of a school for them in other aspects, i.e. the specific academic track they want, their "feel" of the campus and surrounding town/community, and even the location, to mention a few).  Anyway, perhaps Earlham may end up doing better in football in the conference that many of us think - assuming they get their act together for the program in recruiting, a new attitude with a new conference, etc., etc.  I hope they do and wish them well as I do for your conference too.  Time will obviously tell.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 07, 2009, 10:16:53 AM
@ formerd3db -

Drive safely up the Pine River road to Alma today.  Five hrs of snooze is short-timing it for the older generation.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 07, 2009, 10:16:53 AM
@ formerd3db -

Drive safely up the Pine River road to Alma today.  Five hrs of snooze is short-timing it for the older generation.  ;D ;)

You got it, cave2!  Thanks and, I will.  Looks like the weather will be nice - for once!  Sunny, blue skies here right now and the temp is predicted in the '60's.  Have a great Saturday afternoon yourself and talk to you again soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 07, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
Dc made things a lot closer than most were expecting. MSJ better bring more for the bridge bowl
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2009, 07:57:15 PM
Wabash was never an option..

HCAC missed out on having a football power when The Old Hag who is President at MSJ vetoed having the Saints join... All because of "academics", she said.. Which is bunk.. TMC is equal to or better academically than Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson AND her little school, Mount St Joseph.

Sayer you can thank her for that.. Earlham is the best they are gonna get. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2009, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 07, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
Dc made things a lot closer than most were expecting. MSJ better bring more for the bridge bowl

Like I told Kevin last week, I think the primary focus of the coaching staff and players this week was on TMC. The scout team may have been running DC's offense and defense, but the focus wasnt on them. The DC game meant absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
And I'm saying they could have focused on TMC all year which scares me... BC their schedule is awful.  We will see if they are ready for a Top 5 defense in 6 days
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2009, 07:57:15 PM
Wabash was never an option..

HCAC missed out on having a football power when The Old Hag who is President at MSJ vetoed having the Saints join... All because of "academics", she said.. Which is bunk.. TMC is equal to or better academically than Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson AND her little school, Mount St Joseph.

Sayer you can thank her for that.. Earlham is the best they are gonna get. 
So not true!  You have to be able to wear shoes & not marry within the family to attend DC, BC, AC, & MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2009, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 07, 2009, 08:38:43 PM
Like I told Kevin last week, I think the primary focus of the coaching staff and players this week was on TMC. The scout team may have been running DC's offense and defense, but the focus wasnt on them. The DC game meant absolutely nothing.

That's the sign of a top notch program. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2009, 08:48:21 AM
I don't think MSJ has been planning for TMC the whole year, however, it wouldn't suprise me if they had people scouting at Thiel in addition to the W & J/Geneva tapes they exchanged. When you throw in the game films from TMC last year, they will have plenty of data in the computer souting system.

They will be prepared for that defense and will put TMC's defense in situations where they are outnumbered at the point of attack or people are open downfield...at which point it will come down to execution. MSJ will have limited opportunities, which means they have to execute when the situation presents itself...unlike Jimmy Clausen (2 TO's inside the 5-yard line) :)

On a side note: UC's quarterback accounted for 555 total yards last night and the whole offense put up over 700. I love Brian Kelly's quote where he stated "Our offense will score no matter who is under center." Not many people can make that claim. Kevin...as much as you would like Kelly at ND, I don't see ND wanting to part with coaches who run a Pro-Style offense. They may want to win, but they want to get players in the NFL just as much.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2009, 07:34:23 PM
Congrats to MSJ making the real top 25.. They are 25th this week..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 08, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2009, 07:57:15 PM
Wabash was never an option..

HCAC missed out on having a football power when The Old Hag who is President at MSJ vetoed having the Saints join... All because of "academics", she said.. Which is bunk.. TMC is equal to or better academically than Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson AND her little school, Mount St Joseph.

Sayer you can thank her for that.. Earlham is the best they are gonna get. 
So not true!  You have to be able to wear shoes & not marry within the family to attend DC, BC, AC, & MSJ.
I hope this wasn't supposed to be a joke on all Kentuckians. :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2009, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 08, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2009, 07:57:15 PM
Wabash was never an option..

HCAC missed out on having a football power when The Old Hag who is President at MSJ vetoed having the Saints join... All because of "academics", she said.. Which is bunk.. TMC is equal to or better academically than Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson AND her little school, Mount St Joseph.

Sayer you can thank her for that.. Earlham is the best they are gonna get. 
So not true!  You have to be able to wear shoes & not marry within the family to attend DC, BC, AC, & MSJ.
I hope this wasn't supposed to be a joke on all Kentuckians. :(
No just for SaintsFan. I have to throw something at him with all of his wonderful remarks about DC :D.
I will always remember getting off the bus in Crestview & actually see a kid with overalls on & no undershirt & no shoes giving us high fives.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 08, 2009, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 08, 2009, 11:17:37 PM

I will always remember getting off the bus in Crestview & actually see a kid with overalls on & no undershirt & no shoes giving us high fives.   

Go back 36-38 years ago, and most of us at Defiance looked like that out of choice.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 08:19:04 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 08, 2009, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 08, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2009, 07:57:15 PM
Wabash was never an option..

HCAC missed out on having a football power when The Old Hag who is President at MSJ vetoed having the Saints join... All because of "academics", she said.. Which is bunk.. TMC is equal to or better academically than Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson AND her little school, Mount St Joseph.

Sayer you can thank her for that.. Earlham is the best they are gonna get. 
So not true!  You have to be able to wear shoes & not marry within the family to attend DC, BC, AC, & MSJ.
I hope this wasn't supposed to be a joke on all Kentuckians. :(
No just for SaintsFan. I have to throw something at him with all of his wonderful remarks about DC :D.
I will always remember getting off the bus in Crestview & actually see a kid with overalls on & no undershirt & no shoes giving us high fives.   

I live on the Ohio side now... since 2005.  I agree... there are a ton of rednecks down there.  A few of my 'mates were from way down south near Flemingsburg KY... probably was his little brother or something.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 08:27:02 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2009, 08:48:21 AM
Kevin...as much as you would like Kelly at ND, I don't see ND wanting to part with coaches who run a Pro-Style offense. They may want to win, but they want to get players in the NFL just as much.

HUH?  the practically begged Urban Meyer to come last time --- he's not running a pro-style offense.   Thats not going to matter.  Lou Holtz didn't run a pro style offense and he's the last one who won up there.  How long its been since he's been good is what also matters.  ND is going to relax the requirements a little bit and pay Meyer or Kelly (my money is on Kelly) $5M / year.   Thats the only way to fix this mess.

My Uncle played for USNA back around when Staubach was there.  Anyhow, he went to the game and was in Cincy last night on his way back to Annapolis.  He was very happy with the 2nd win in 3 years (should that happen ever at ND?) and I thanked him for putting Front Butt Chuck out on his ass. 

Meanwhile, Kelly is not happy with the lack of progress on the practice facility/bubble and that would reduce his buyout to nearly zero --- because they are so far behind.  Combine that and the fact no matter what UC does ---- the BCS formula is going to keep them out of the Title game and you'll see Kelly make the move if the Domers come and get him. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 09:23:14 AM
http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20091108/SPT/911090344


This Saturday's Bridge Bowl football game between Thomas More College and the College of Mount St. Joseph should be interesting and not just because both teams are 9-0 and have already clinched spots in the NCAA Division III playoffs. There is some bad blood left from last year's game especially in the fact that Thomas More running back Kendall Owens suffered an injury on what was believed to be a cheap shot. ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2009, 11:49:41 AM

I live on the Ohio side now... since 2005.  I agree... there are a ton of rednecks down there.  A few of my 'mates were from way down south near Flemingsburg KY... probably was his little brother or something.
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Since when did they move Flemingsburg to the southern part of the state. ???

dc-has-been,
I am used to the barefoot joke, I would always tell the boys up in Franklin that every time we headed north and crossed the Ohio river they would stop us and make us put our shoes on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
That's hilarious KYGrizzly!!!  Coming from the Detroit area I have to say I've seen plenty of barefooted, midriff wearing, 5 cars parked in the front lawn with no engine or tires WT.  So really can't talk to much trash.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
its south of Cincy, kygrizzly!!


Just listened to the ATN Podcast ---- it mentions the Bridge Bowl at the end.  

Let me first say that if you havent' had a chance to listen to these things --- you are missing out.  They are great for learning about what is going on across the country.  

2nd... on the Bridge Bowl... they had to say:

*Winner will host at least 1 playoff game.  I know that Thomas More has put in to host for the playoffs.  The pressbox is fully operational.  A couple parents from Geneva said they've never seen a tailgate like TMC had.  It was actually surprisingly good.  There was alot of people there, weather was great.  The "TMC fever" has caught on.  I DON'T think its anywhere near as good as Franklin... but I've been to other stadiums and i think the tailgate is unique and very good size.  I don't know of anywhere else where you don't have to leave your tailgate spot so you can watch the game.   That said --- its awfully important for TMC to win the Bridge Bowl to continue the momentum in bringing people to the games.  I saw alot of old teammates on Saturday --- people who haven't been to the games since we played.  

*If MSJ loses, they will be a road team next weekend...

*If Thomas More loses, they could still host a playoff game


other thoughts... not from the podcast:

Beating MSJ would help move Thomas More to maybe the top of the South Regional Rankings.  TMC currently sits 3rd... but #2 Hampden-Sydney College plays a 6-3 Randolph Macon team who has a schedule strength of 221.  MSJ has a schedule strength of 193.  That seems like a wash, they are both pretty low but then you factor in who TMC has played (TMC is 157) and HSC is 213 --- that should be enough to move up to #2 with a win over a team the North Region Committee has ranked at #3.  

Current South Region #1, Wesley plays their 2nd straight non-D3 opponent in Ohio Dominican on Saturday, which will leave them with only 5 South Region wins.  Its an outside chance, though... because Wesley owns a convincing 31-13 on the road at Delaware Valley, The East Region's probable top Ranked team this week after the top 2 (Alfred and Albright) lost last weekend.

As Pat likes to say... its all about who you've beaten.  

If TMC wins on Saturday they would own two victories over Regionally Ranked teams.  Their case would be stronger (but still a little flimsy) if they were the team at 9-1 following Saturday.   Now I hope that TMC takes care of business on the field and at the same time that MSJ doesn't fall far enough that they have to play Whitewater on the road in Round 1.   I don't think they would fall behind Trine or Concordia IL -- but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
If MSJ falls I would see them at a 6 seed playing CWRU or Ill. Wesleyan.  If TMC falls then they will probably only drop to a 4 seed hosting Miss. College.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 09, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
If MSJ falls I would see them at a 6 seed playing CWRU or Ill. Wesleyan.  If TMC falls then they will probably only drop to a 4 seed hosting Miss. College.

I can also see the committee moving TMC to North because of travel considerations... win or lose.  If they win and Wabash loses, they'd be a #2 in the North ---- with a win and a Wabash win --- strengthening Witt's case, they'd be a #3 in North.  

Lose and who the hell knows where they go. . .  but it couldn't be worse than going N8 as they did last year and playing the #1 seed in the North.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
its south of Cincy, kygrizzly!!


Sorry, but when you said way down south I was expecting it to be farther than 70 miles or so.

Also, isn't just about everywhere in Kentucky south of Cincy. ;D

By the way good luck with TMC against MSJ this weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
its south of Cincy, kygrizzly!!


Sorry, but when you said way down south I was expecting it to be farther than 70 miles or so.

Also, isn't just about everywhere in Kentucky south of Cincy. ;D

By the way good luck with TMC against MSJ this weekend.

Thanks.  Sayer's silence is deafening this week...  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2009, 11:49:41 AM

I live on the Ohio side now... since 2005.  I agree... there are a ton of rednecks down there.  A few of my 'mates were from way down south near Flemingsburg KY... probably was his little brother or something.

Since when did they move Flemingsburg to the southern part of the state. ???


Let it be known the KYGRIZZLY has brought and ridden a motorized beer cooler in the FC Touchdown Club parking lot. (he was wearing shoes as I recall)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 08:27:02 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2009, 08:48:21 AM
Kevin...as much as you would like Kelly at ND, I don't see ND wanting to part with coaches who run a Pro-Style offense. They may want to win, but they want to get players in the NFL just as much.

HUH?  the practically begged Urban Meyer to come last time --- he's not running a pro-style offense.   Thats not going to matter.  Lou Holtz didn't run a pro style offense and he's the last one who won up there.  How long its been since he's been good is what also matters.  ND is going to relax the requirements a little bit and pay Meyer or Kelly (my money is on Kelly) $5M / year.   Thats the only way to fix this mess.

My Uncle played for USNA back around when Staubach was there.  Anyhow, he went to the game and was in Cincy last night on his way back to Annapolis.  He was very happy with the 2nd win in 3 years (should that happen ever at ND?) and I thanked him for putting Front Butt Chuck out on his ass.  

Meanwhile, Kelly is not happy with the lack of progress on the practice facility/bubble and that would reduce his buyout to nearly zero --- because they are so far behind.  Combine that and the fact no matter what UC does ---- the BCS formula is going to keep them out of the Title game and you'll see Kelly make the move if the Domers come and get him.  

Athough perhaps a long shot, you cannot count out the possibility as yet that Kelly could go to U of Mich if they canned Rodriguez earlier than some are predicting.  While that would cost U of Mich a ton of $ (and wasted for that matter with regards to how it would have all come about from originally pursuing Rodriguez - which IMO was mistake to begin with), they've done some stange things in recent years and it wouldn't surprise me if that occurred.  They should have considered Kelly when he was looking to leave CMU if that were possible.  While MSU got a good coach in Dantonio, Kelly would have done just as well I believe.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens with all this.  Sportscasters were talking about former Raiders/Bucs coach Jon "G" being interested in the ND job.  Wasn't he a ballboy there while growing up?  I thought I had heard that somewhere, but obviously could be wrong.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on November 09, 2009, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 08:27:02 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2009, 08:48:21 AM
Kevin...as much as you would like Kelly at ND, I don't see ND wanting to part with coaches who run a Pro-Style offense. They may want to win, but they want to get players in the NFL just as much.

HUH?  the practically begged Urban Meyer to come last time --- he's not running a pro-style offense.   Thats not going to matter.  Lou Holtz didn't run a pro style offense and he's the last one who won up there.  How long its been since he's been good is what also matters.  ND is going to relax the requirements a little bit and pay Meyer or Kelly (my money is on Kelly) $5M / year.   Thats the only way to fix this mess.

My Uncle played for USNA back around when Staubach was there.  Anyhow, he went to the game and was in Cincy last night on his way back to Annapolis.  He was very happy with the 2nd win in 3 years (should that happen ever at ND?) and I thanked him for putting Front Butt Chuck out on his ass. 

Meanwhile, Kelly is not happy with the lack of progress on the practice facility/bubble and that would reduce his buyout to nearly zero --- because they are so far behind.  Combine that and the fact no matter what UC does ---- the BCS formula is going to keep them out of the Title game and you'll see Kelly make the move if the Domers come and get him. 

Athough perhaps a long shot, you cannot count out the possibility as yet that Kelly could go to U of Mich if they canned Rodriguez earlier than some are predicting.  While that would cost U of Mich a ton of $ (and wasted for that matter with regards to how it would have all come about from originally pursuing Rodriguez - which IMO was mistake to begin with), they've done some stange things in recent years and it wouldn't surprise me if that occurred.  They should have considered Kelly when he was looking to leave CMU if that were possible.  While MSU got a good coach in Dantonio, Kelly would have done just as well I believe.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens with all this.  Sportscasters were talking about former Raiders/Bucs coach John "G" being interested in the ND job.  Wasn't he a ballboy there while growing up?  I thought I had heard that somewhere, but obviously could be wrong.

Jon Gruden would jump at the chance to coach at Notre Dame.  He did indeed grow up around the program as his dad was an assistant for the Irish.  Not sure if he was a ballboy for the team, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Raider 68 on November 09, 2009, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 08:27:02 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 08, 2009, 08:48:21 AM
Kevin...as much as you would like Kelly at ND, I don't see ND wanting to part with coaches who run a Pro-Style offense. They may want to win, but they want to get players in the NFL just as much.

HUH?  the practically begged Urban Meyer to come last time --- he's not running a pro-style offense.   Thats not going to matter.  Lou Holtz didn't run a pro style offense and he's the last one who won up there.  How long its been since he's been good is what also matters.  ND is going to relax the requirements a little bit and pay Meyer or Kelly (my money is on Kelly) $5M / year.   Thats the only way to fix this mess.

My Uncle played for USNA back around when Staubach was there.  Anyhow, he went to the game and was in Cincy last night on his way back to Annapolis.  He was very happy with the 2nd win in 3 years (should that happen ever at ND?) and I thanked him for putting Front Butt Chuck out on his ass. 

Meanwhile, Kelly is not happy with the lack of progress on the practice facility/bubble and that would reduce his buyout to nearly zero --- because they are so far behind.  Combine that and the fact no matter what UC does ---- the BCS formula is going to keep them out of the Title game and you'll see Kelly make the move if the Domers come and get him. 

Athough perhaps a long shot, you cannot count out the possibility as yet that Kelly could go to U of Mich if they canned Rodriguez earlier than some are predicting.  While that would cost U of Mich a ton of $ (and wasted for that matter with regards to how it would have all come about from originally pursuing Rodriguez - which IMO was mistake to begin with), they've done some stange things in recent years and it wouldn't surprise me if that occurred.  They should have considered Kelly when he was looking to leave CMU if that were possible.  While MSU got a good coach in Dantonio, Kelly would have done just as well I believe.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens with all this.  Sportscasters were talking about former Raiders/Bucs coach John "G" being interested in the ND job.  Wasn't he a ballboy there while growing up?  I thought I had heard that somewhere, but obviously could be wrong.

Rodriguez has turned out to be a poor choice for U of M. He stuck it to WV,
caused all kind of off field issues and does not have the class of a Lloyd
Carr in my opinion. U of M needs to find a good man. Kelly could be that guy, but he needs to stay where he is for awhile. Michigan does not need
a Nick Saban type, who  could jump ship at every chance he gets.

On Notre Dame, they also made a poor choice in Weiss. ND, with a great
history needs desperately to regain some prominence at D1, but have been
a non-factor since Lou left.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2009, 10:42:45 PM
Raider, Carroll and Sayer:
Yes, that is the one drawback about Kelly.  He has shown "Saben" tendencies so far.  I have never been a fan of Ridriguez, Saben, nor Weis and certainly not Holtz.  Anyway, I think eveyone will agree that it will be interesting to see what eventually happens in these coaching situations in potential question.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 10, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2009, 11:49:41 AM

I live on the Ohio side now... since 2005.  I agree... there are a ton of rednecks down there.  A few of my 'mates were from way down south near Flemingsburg KY... probably was his little brother or something.

Since when did they move Flemingsburg to the southern part of the state. ???


Let it be known the KYGRIZZLY has brought and ridden a motorized beer cooler in the FC Touchdown Club parking lot. (he was wearing shoes as I recall)

I think you have me mistaken for someone else. But the man  you are talking about is also a Kentuckian and lives in Louisville who is an alumni of Franklin. He does have a motorized beer cart that he rides around on and does wear shoes.

I am just a parent of a Franklin alumni who just got married this past weekend to another Franklin alumni.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 10, 2009, 01:26:07 PM

Jon Gruden would jump at the chance to coach at Notre Dame.  He did indeed grow up around the program as his dad was an assistant for the Irish.  Not sure if he was a ballboy for the team, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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There's no way he is going to Notre Dame, all the Univeristy of Louisville Cardinal fans down here are convinced he is going to be their next football coach. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 09, 2009, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
its south of Cincy, kygrizzly!!


Sorry, but when you said way down south I was expecting it to be farther than 70 miles or so.

Also, isn't just about everywhere in Kentucky south of Cincy. ;D

By the way good luck with TMC against MSJ this weekend.

Thanks.  Sayer's silence is deafening this week...  ;)


"Remember" is the word for the week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on November 10, 2009, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 10, 2009, 01:26:07 PMThere's no way he is going to Notre Dame, all the Univeristy of Louisville Cardinal fans down here are convinced he is going to be their next football coach. :o

We'll see, I've heard talks of him possibly going to Louisville, too, but that was before Notre Dame started tanking.  If that Notre Dame job opens up, the dominoes are going to start falling.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2009, 08:39:03 PM
Sayer's been busy.

I feel TMC is the favorite. Doesn't mean I don't think MSJ can't win. I was worried regarding the FC game, but turns out FC isn't as good as we thought. I think this may be TMC's best team, at least the best defensive team. It will be tough and take a solid offensive game plan (not to mention a lack of mistakes) for MSJ to win, but they can pull it off.

Overall, I think the game is more important to MSJ than TMC. TMC has a history of success and has won in the playoffs. MSJ has domnated the HCAC and that's it. Outside of that Illinois Wesleyan win in 2006, MSJ hasn't really won a game against quality competition. This game would go a long way of changing that and change the attitude of the program. They expect to win HCAC games, but they need to want and expect greater things. The 3 wins MSJ has against TMC are against average TMC teams. A win on Saturday would make up for a lot of past defeats and would give MSJ a home playoff game (something I think TMC had as well) and confidence going into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2009, 08:58:48 AM
"Oh, we'll have to play our best game of the season and we'll need them to make some mistakes," Huber said matter-of-factly. "They're better than us. That's no secret. We hope to close the gap this year, be close in the fourth quarter with a chance to win. They beat us up and down the field last year."   -Rod Huber in ATR this week

There's quite a bit of hyperbole in there, I think.  That or he views this team as being a year away and this is all to prep for 2010.

TMC has been putting the ball on the ground in recent weeks.  MSJ will have their chances on Saturday.

And yes, Adam... TMC won a home playoff game before getting beat by Wittenburg in 2001.



Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 10, 2009, 08:39:03 PM
Overall, I think the game is more important to MSJ than TMC.

Not true
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 11, 2009, 11:18:51 AM
I think this game could either way.  I think MSJ is still underrated & the PAC over hyped for how good that conference is.  Now, I don't think HCAC is at PAC level that's for sure, but other than TMC & W&J who else do they have?  I know Geneva has a good record, but they beat up on sub par teams & is their schedule correct, playing St. Vincent twice?  Even W&J beat up terrible nonconference teams. TMC & MSJ both beat bottom teams from the OAC which would probably be top tier teams everywhere else too.  All in all, I think this could be a pretty good game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2009, 01:07:58 PM
He's being honest and a lot of that is coach speak. You want him to say they are the better team and MSJ will whip them all over the field??? Come on now. I never did see "The hit" but according to peeps, that is all the motivation TMC needs...I don't think Hubie wants to give them anything else to put on the board.

Hasbeen, I think MSJ is underrated, but regardless of who TMC played, their varsity D has only given up around 7 points per game this year. That's top notch for any program in any conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2009, 01:07:58 PM
He's being honest and a lot of that is coach speak. You want him to say they are the better team and MSJ will whip them all over the field??? Come on now. I never did see "The hit" but according to peeps, that is all the motivation TMC needs...I don't think Hubie wants to give them anything else to put on the board.

Hasbeen, I think MSJ is underrated, but regardless of who TMC played, their varsity D has only given up around 7 points per game this year. That's top notch for any program in any conference.

And this game is more important to us. MSJ needs something to hang their hats on. HCAC championships were and are great, but now they are in a position where that is not enough. They have won 4 of the last 6. They need to expect more and getting a home playoff game, a good seed and winning a playoff game would help the mentality.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2009, 02:57:09 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2009, 01:07:58 PM
Hasbeen, I think MSJ is underrated, but regardless of who TMC played, their varsity D has only given up around 7 points per game this year. That's top notch for any program in any conference.

Underrated?!  They are #3 in the North Region (the rankings are out now for this week)...  Should we move them in front of Wittenburg or Mount Union?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2009, 09:59:08 PM
That's regional ranking...what does D3football think about them??? Are they not the lowest ranked undefeated team? I understand why, but the next undefeated team is 18th. Do I think MSJ is top 25 yes...where, I'm not certain, but I feel they are better than 25th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU22 on November 11, 2009, 11:03:47 PM
Hello! I'm hoping to make it to MSJ for the game this Saturday, had a couple questions:

Ticket cost?
Any problem getting tickets?
I understand it's a big game, any traffic/parking issues?
I saw an aerial pic of the field, looked like one side of the field had seats, no others; true? Can you stand around the rest of the field?
Anything (else) I should know?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 08:06:08 AM
Quote from: SJU22 on November 11, 2009, 11:03:47 PM
Hello! I'm hoping to make it to MSJ for the game this Saturday, had a couple questions:

Ticket cost?
Any problem getting tickets?
I understand it's a big game, any traffic/parking issues?
I saw an aerial pic of the field, looked like one side of the field had seats, no others; true? Can you stand around the rest of the field?
Anything (else) I should know?

Thanks!

$5-$10 (luxury box will set you back $225)
there will be traffic issues over in Delhi near the campus.  Come early and bring your favorite drinks.  Mine is Strongbow --- bring some of that too
one side only like most D3 stadiums... and you can't get on the truck.  There's a hill in West Endzone that you can stand on and drink..without paying, if you don't want to spend the money on the ticket.

What else you should know:

1.  The team with blue on their uniforms will win.
2.  There is a level of pisstivity from one of the teams (its not the one you'd expect from last year's result)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 08:18:08 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 11, 2009, 09:59:08 PM
That's regional ranking...what does D3football think about them??? Are they not the lowest ranked undefeated team? I understand why, but the next undefeated team is 18th. Do I think MSJ is top 25 yes...where, I'm not certain, but I feel they are better than 25th.

I think you play everyone on your schedule and if you go 10-0 then you deserve recognition.  If you are 9-9 with really crappy league teams (look at Defiance, Bluffton, Anderson, Hanover) and the best team on your schedule is yet to be played, it is what it is.  

Where was Albright ranked last weekend prior to losing their first game?  They weren't.  Had they beaten Delaware Valley, they'd have entered the rankings.  Same with Alfred.  They were #25 last week, but they lost to a 5-3 Ithaca squad by 3 TDs --- proving D3.com was right on them as well.  I think Albright, Alfred and MSJ are thought of roughly the same way.  Weak conference wins with a back-loaded schedule.  Well here we are...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 09:03:54 AM
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/12/our-projected-field-of-32-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15484

D3.com's 1st projection of the playoff field...

Has both MSJ and TMC in the Wesley Bracket.   This would project MSJ traveling to HSC --- a very winnable game for the Lions
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Like I said...I understand why, but I do feel they are underrated, but we won't know until Saturday.

Parking in Delhi will need to be in the west lot (on the other side of the school from the stadium) and there is plenty of room along the hill to sit in the endzone and along the visiting sideline (to about the 20), depending on the weather (supposed to be beautiful). In my opinion, the best seats in the place. Kevin...technically you can't drink, however, there are ways around it (i.e. keep it in a cup and hide the cooler somewhere. Keep in mind, with a game of this magnitude, the campus SUCKurity will be out and about frequently. They have been known to roam the woods in search of coolers and other incriminating evidence.

One year we convinced a guy to let us keep a cooler in his backyard (which ran up to the stadium, only blocked by a small lane of woods). The MSJ meter maids noticed a steady flow of people taking the path back to this guy's yard and seized the cooler...Bastards!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU22 on November 12, 2009, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Like I said...I understand why, but I do feel they are underrated, but we won't know until Saturday.

Parking in Delhi will need to be in the west lot (on the other side of the school from the stadium) and there is plenty of room along the hill to sit in the endzone and along the visiting sideline (to about the 20), depending on the weather (supposed to be beautiful). In my opinion, the best seats in the place. Kevin...technically you can't drink, however, there are ways around it (i.e. keep it in a cup and hide the cooler somewhere. Keep in mind, with a game of this magnitude, the campus SUCKurity will be out and about frequently. They have been known to roam the woods in search of coolers and other incriminating evidence.

One year we convinced a guy to let us keep a cooler in his backyard (which ran up to the stadium, only blocked by a small lane of woods). The MSJ meter maids noticed a steady flow of people taking the path back to this guy's yard and seized the cooler...Bastards!

Thanks for the feedback, SaintsFAN, Adam.

Looks like I'll try to make it to campus by 1pm (work in the morning) and head for the end zone hill.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2009, 09:12:46 AM
Like I said...I understand why, but I do feel they are underrated, but we won't know until Saturday.

Parking in Delhi will need to be in the west lot (on the other side of the school from the stadium) and there is plenty of room along the hill to sit in the endzone and along the visiting sideline (to about the 20), depending on the weather (supposed to be beautiful). In my opinion, the best seats in the place. Kevin...technically you can't drink, however, there are ways around it (i.e. keep it in a cup and hide the cooler somewhere. Keep in mind, with a game of this magnitude, the campus SUCKurity will be out and about frequently. They have been known to roam the woods in search of coolers and other incriminating evidence.

One year we convinced a guy to let us keep a cooler in his backyard (which ran up to the stadium, only blocked by a small lane of woods). The MSJ meter maids noticed a steady flow of people taking the path back to this guy's yard and seized the cooler...Bastards!


That is retarded.... TMC allows drinking and there are NEVER any problems with it.  We'll find a way to get it into the campus and KEEP it... even inside, if we choose to go in there.  I'm not sure if we're going to witness this from the hill (nearest TMC bench) or from the seats  --- depends on how drunk we get prior to the game.

A group of us are meeting at 11am at The More and heading over.


Two articles on the Bridge Bowl:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-19766-Cincinnati-Sports-Examiner~y2009m11d10-Bridge-Bowl-XIV-A-Little-BB-History#comment

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-19766-Cincinnati-Sports-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Bridge-Bowl-XIV-The-biggest-Bridge-Bowl-ever
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
He doesn't have today's up yet?

Kevin, you know if/when Hilvert and Hubie will be on 700 WLW or any other stations or the local news channels?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 08:06:08 AM
one side only like most D3 stadiums

Really, most D3 stadiums only have seating on one side?  Granted, my experience has been limited, but I wonder what the numbers are.

Let's see, I've been to Defiance, Trine, Bluffton, Manchester, Ohio Wesleyan (for a track meet, not football), Albion, Adrian (when they played at the high school), and Thomas More.  The only place I remember not having seats on the far side was TMC (my recollection of the old Adrian stadium is a little hazy...I was only about 8 at the time).  Granted, the number and quality of seats on the far sideline at most of these places is way too low.

I've been by Wittenberg and thought it had seats on both sides, but looking on Google Maps, that must be a one-sider too.  Perhaps it used to have seats on both sides and they took out the visiting bleachers for the all-weather track?

As for TMC, I just thought it was a quirk because of how they had built the football field into the side of a hill.  Does MSJ have this problem too?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: altor on November 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 08:06:08 AM
one side only like most D3 stadiums

Really, most D3 stadiums only have seating on one side?  Granted, my experience has been limited, but I wonder what the numbers are.

Let's see, I've been to Defiance, Trine, Bluffton, Manchester, Ohio Wesleyan (for a track meet, not football), Albion, Adrian (when they played at the high school), and Thomas More.  The only place I remember not having seats on the far side was TMC (my recollection of the old Adrian stadium is a little hazy...I was only about 8 at the time).  Granted, the number and quality of seats on the far sideline at most of these places is way too low.

I've been by Wittenberg and thought it had seats on both sides, but looking on Google Maps, that must be a one-sider too.  Perhaps it used to have seats on both sides and they took out the visiting bleachers for the all-weather track?

As for TMC, I just thought it was a quirk because of how they had built the football field into the side of a hill.  Does MSJ have this problem too?

MSJ is not built into a hill and TMC isn't either (anymore -- they bulldozed it).  Both have one-side seating.  I'd say that probably 60 % has one-side seating..  W&J and most of the PAC schools do.  Same with John Carroll, I believe.  I remember Wittenburg only having one side, it made it a little more uncomfortable as TMC traveled well up there.  Leading the schools that dont just have one side are:  St. Johns (lead d3 in attendance annually), UW-W (Perkins is the biggest stadium in D3), and Mount Union (whos stadium is REALLY cool).

Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
He doesn't have today's up yet?

Kevin, you know if/when Hilvert and Hubie will be on 700 WLW or any other stations or the local news channels?

I haven't heard anything yet.  We've been trying to get Lance Mcalister to mention this on his blog.  He's had both on his show before --- now that he has the show on wlw you would think they'd be on there this week too.. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU22 on November 12, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
Do you have to enter the "stadium", or what have you, to watch from the hill at MSJ? If not, would it be possible to bring a dog (golden retriever) to campus, take a walk around, catch some of the game with him? Odd question, I realize, but thats the only way GF will go. I think it'd be a nice day for it.

Even if it is possible I could see it being too crowded..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: SJU22 on November 12, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
Do you have to enter the "stadium", or what have you, to watch from the hill at MSJ? If not, would it be possible to bring a dog (golden retriever) to campus, take a walk around, catch some of the game with him? Odd question, I realize, but thats the only way GF will go. I think it'd be a nice day for it.

Even if it is possible I could see it being too crowded..


You don't have to enter the stadium (and I suggest you don't waste your money).... there is room for a dog but it can be muddy if rain.  

Now if this were the year at TMC --- I'd say spend the money and help the school.  


There's also a TMC party immediately following at Strassell's house in Delhi ---- if you are of TMC persuasion
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 12, 2009, 04:21:24 PM
I e-mailed the two articles to Lance this today as well as two others this week but no response (he had been responding to my prior e-mails for the last few weeks).  

As for Sayer, you can't display a trophy you have not even won 4 times (personal record happens to be the first four BBs).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 12, 2009, 04:21:24 PM
I e-mailed the two articles to Lance this today as well as two others this week but no response (he had been responding to my prior e-mails for the last few weeks).  

As for Sayer, you can't display a trophy you have not even won 4 times (personal record happens to be the first four BBs).


haha... +K   

Lance is a dork. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2009, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: altor on November 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2009, 08:06:08 AM
one side only like most D3 stadiums

Really, most D3 stadiums only have seating on one side?  Granted, my experience has been limited, but I wonder what the numbers are.

Let's see, I've been to Defiance, Trine, Bluffton, Manchester, Ohio Wesleyan (for a track meet, not football), Albion, Adrian (when they played at the high school), and Thomas More.  The only place I remember not having seats on the far side was TMC (my recollection of the old Adrian stadium is a little hazy...I was only about 8 at the time).  Granted, the number and quality of seats on the far sideline at most of these places is way too low.

I've been by Wittenberg and thought it had seats on both sides, but looking on Google Maps, that must be a one-sider too.  Perhaps it used to have seats on both sides and they took out the visiting bleachers for the all-weather track?

As for TMC, I just thought it was a quirk because of how they had built the football field into the side of a hill.  Does MSJ have this problem too?

MSJ is not built into a hill and TMC isn't either (anymore -- they bulldozed it).  Both have one-side seating.  I'd say that probably 60 % has one-side seating..  W&J and most of the PAC schools do.  Same with John Carroll, I believe.  I remember Wittenburg only having one side, it made it a little more uncomfortable as TMC traveled well up there.  Leading the schools that dont just have one side are:  St. Johns (lead d3 in attendance annually), UW-W (Perkins is the biggest stadium in D3), and Mount Union (whos stadium is REALLY cool).

Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
He doesn't have today's up yet?

Kevin, you know if/when Hilvert and Hubie will be on 700 WLW or any other stations or the local news channels?

I haven't heard anything yet.  We've been trying to get Lance Mcalister to mention this on his blog.  He's had both on his show before --- now that he has the show on wlw you would think they'd be on there this week too..  

As far as our MIAA, Adrian's new stadium has two-sided seating as did their old one, Maple Stadium, which they shared with the h.s..  That old stadium was actually built into a bowl-shaped hill, so was quite neat.  Their new one has some endzone seating as well so that is great too.

Hope, Kazoo, Alma, Albion, Olivet and Trine all have visitors stands as well i.e. two-sided seating.  Hope shares its stadium with Holland H.S. and it is owned by the City of Holland, but it is a U-shaped stadium with permanent seating built into both sides and the hill-side endzone is usually filled with students.  The other schools have smaller bleacher type visitor's seating but those are nice (Kazoo's sits in a large, natural hill also).  Of course, Trine is building their new stadium currently, but will still have a two-sided stadium.  

Playing surfaces:  Adrian, Alma, Olivet and Trine have the new synthetic turf; Hope, Albion and Kazoo have natural turf.  Hope is "hoping" to get the new turf one way or another (via themselves or the city), however, that is an on-going situation that needs to be resolved.  The playing turf conditions were very bad due to the mud and torn up grass mid-season.

Don't forget B-W's stadium in Ohio, an actuall full sided bowl.  Denison's in Ohio is also two sided and built into a hill, bowl-shaped and very neat atmosphere.  That great "old time" two-sided stadium built back in 1928?, Shelby at Ohio Wesleyan is one of my favorites.  

I could go on and on about other stadiums, however, won't and just thought I'd share the above with you all since you were discussing the subject.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on November 12, 2009, 08:12:48 PM
I emailed Lance yesterday asking him if he was going to have anything on the Bridge Bowl.  He emailed me back that night and said he would have both coaches on.  I am assuming that it is going to be tomorrow night.  I haven't seen anything on his blog for the last two nights.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 13, 2009, 08:23:32 AM
Lance has got the Bridge Bowl on his blog with both coaches as guest today as well as the link to the article on the history of the BB.

http://1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballmsj on November 13, 2009, 08:53:27 AM
long time looker.....first time poster...... SAYER I think you will know me very well sir.  We had a lovely discussion after the bacon/purcell game about how undedicated some of your kids were plus I played with you at the mount. 


Anyways I am wondering I know the winner should be guaranteed a home playoff game but would they keep both teams in the same region??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 13, 2009, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: footballmsj on November 13, 2009, 08:53:27 AM

Anyways I am wondering I know the winner should be guaranteed a home playoff game but would they keep both teams in the same region??

I assume you saw the projected 32 team field with TMC and MSJ in the same region (#3/#7 respectively).  The rationale there and on most of these posts is that either TMC or MSJ could be moved to either the North or South region due to locale and traveling.  The projected opponent for TMC (with the assumption that they win on Saturday) is UMHB from Texas and that makes sense due to TMC's proximity to the airport.  If TMC were to lose, I could see them a lower seed in the North because they could bus to most every team there.  Obviously, Saturday's Bridge Bowl has a large impact not only on hosting a first round game but possibly which region the teams land in, all with the potential for both in the same one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 13, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
Only 1 sided stadium i ever played in was against TMC at the high school.  must be a northern KY thing that you can never figure out how to put stands on both sides.  did W&J get a new place.  i swear i remember turning to find my parents in the stands on the visitors side back in the 97 season.  the locker rooms and anythign nice was ont he Home side but there were stands behind us.

Wittenburg is 1 sided becuase i remember watching Alma in a playoff game there and was on the home side thinking how dorky thier fans were for holding keys in the air on 3rd down yelling "key play"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2009, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 11, 2009, 11:18:51 AM
I think this game could either way.  I think MSJ is still underrated & the PAC over hyped for how good that conference is.

Who's overhyping the PAC? We ranked the conference 13th out of the 27. That's not exactly hype.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2009, 10:53:32 AM
 I think the majority of D-III schools have seating on both sides, actually.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2009, 10:59:46 AM
Going back through my notes, of the 67 D-III stadiums I've been in, 59 have seating on both sides of the field. Those that don't: Augsburg, Capital, Catholic, Coast Guard, Gallaudet, Occidental, UW-Stout, Western Connecticut.

That doesn't mean that the other 170 couldn't all have stands on just one side, of course, but from my sample, there's at least some seating on both sides at most places.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 13, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
1-sided stadiums...the NCAC loves 'em!  Wittenberg (as mentioned previously), Wooster, and Earlham all have 1-sided seating.  To be fair, the last time I went to Earlham they did have some terrible high-school choir style bleachers set up shoddily behind the visitors bench but they weren't high enough to see over the team so they were pretty pointless and for the purposes of this exercise won't be counted.  Earlham has since renovated and I think they got rid of the crappy visitor's stands.  In any case, Earlham isn't my problem anymore.  You guys are gonna love Richmond!   :)

I haven't been there yet, but from what I can tell Kenyon, Oberlin, and Hiram are all 1-sided.  That's 6 of our 10...er...5 of our 9 that are 1-sided. 

Also, CWRU and Chicago in the UAA are 1-siders.  Maybe it's a northern thing. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2009, 01:41:07 PM
one more article:

http://www.examiner.com/x-19766-Cincinnati-Sports-Examiner~y2009m11d13-Bridge-Bowl-XIV-Its-Gametime


Its gametime... well, for us fans it is.  This one should be fun for a bit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 13, 2009, 02:02:22 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 13, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
Only 1 sided stadium i ever played in was against TMC at the high school.  must be a northern KY thing that you can never figure out how to put stands on both sides. 

Yeah its funny that DC's only success against TMC came at those one-sided stadiums (3 out of 6 games in KY) every 4 years.  We liked DCs stadium much better (6-0 in OH).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 13, 2009, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 13, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
1-sided stadiums...the NCAC loves 'em!  Wittenberg (as mentioned previously), Wooster, and Earlham all have 1-sided seating.  To be fair, the last time I went to Earlham they did have some terrible high-school choir style bleachers set up shoddily behind the visitors bench but they weren't high enough to see over the team so they were pretty pointless and for the purposes of this exercise won't be counted.  Earlham has since renovated and I think they got rid of the crappy visitor's stands.  In any case, Earlham isn't my problem anymore.  You guys are gonna love Richmond!   :)

I haven't been there yet, but from what I can tell Kenyon, Oberlin, and Hiram are all 1-sided.  That's 6 of our 10...er...5 of our 9 that are 1-sided. 

Also, CWRU and Chicago in the UAA are 1-siders.  Maybe it's a northern thing. 

Don't tell that to 70_dc_alum as KY is just alittle bit south of Defiance, OH.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2009, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 13, 2009, 02:02:22 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 13, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
Only 1 sided stadium i ever played in was against TMC at the high school.  must be a northern KY thing that you can never figure out how to put stands on both sides. 

Yeah its funny that DC's only success against TMC came at those one-sided stadiums (3 out of 6 games in KY) every 4 years.  We liked DCs stadium much better (6-0 in OH).

as you can see, Joe was one of our 1st football players at the school and hates DC, 70.  I think we went directly against your older brother. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2009, 03:49:17 PM
70_dc_alum:

Hey friend, you were at that Wittenburg/Alma playoff game?  I was coaching at Alma that year and was on the sidelines - I recall those antics too!  It was kind of weird at the time, although I was more upset at the officiating in that game.  For awhile it was a great game but Alma was always trying to catch up to Witt, as Alma could just not stop their power running around the ends.  Witt smashed us in that regard.  BTW, without looking at the past seasons right now (I should do that now before posting this, but I'll post first anyway ;D), I think that may have been the same year that we(Alma) beat them in the regular season at Alma.  Anyway, I recall it being a very nice sunny although slightly/nicely chilly day and even though Alma lost, it was a fun being in the playoffs and a great experience for everyone.

I also remember the bus ride back home that evening.  We stopped at Bowling Green University at one of the large truck stops there on the edge of campus to use the facilities, get something to eat and the Ohio State University football team was there too, on their way back from their game at U of Mich.  The place was jammed full with college football players (big and small ;D), cheerleaders from both teams, OSU's band and a ton of parents and fans - crazy.  Then, after getting back on the Interstate 75,  it was late and we coaches were sitting/sleeping in the first 1-4 rows of the bus.  All of a sudden, one of my coaching colleagues grabbed me and screamed - "he's falling asleep, holy....!!!"  :o ;D ::)  :-X  :-X The bus driver had started to nod off (the bus going full speed of course), so we grabbed the driver, shook him and, thankfully, things were okay.  Needless to say, the other coaches and I stayed awake the rest of the trip, talking to the driver and ourselves!  Everyone arrived home safely, but I'll never forget that trip for many reasons!  Just thought I'd share that since you mentioned that particular game.  And yes, Witt only has one-sided stadium, but it is a neat historic field and nestled in the historic part of campus where the athletic fields, complexes have been for ages.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 13, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
Don't hate DC, we had their number.  Hated Centre College though, they thought they were above us and would not play us after we starting beating them. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2009, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 11, 2009, 11:18:51 AM
I think this game could either way.  I think MSJ is still underrated & the PAC over hyped for how good that conference is.

Who's overhyping the PAC? We ranked the conference 13th out of the 27. That's not exactly hype.
Chill out Pat, the comment was directed towards Kickoffs rankings or opinion.  It was based upon general conversation on the boards & what I came up with as an opinion. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2009, 07:59:38 PM
I can keep it on here and run my mouth because I was part of the first team to win it. And including that game, MSJ is 3-2 the last 5.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2009, 10:51:26 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 13, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2009, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 11, 2009, 11:18:51 AM
I think this game could either way.  I think MSJ is still underrated & the PAC over hyped for how good that conference is.

Who's overhyping the PAC? We ranked the conference 13th out of the 27. That's not exactly hype.
Chill out Pat, the comment was directed towards Kickoffs rankings or opinion.  It was based upon general conversation on the boards & what I came up with as an opinion. 

I was actually wondering who was overhyping the PAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on November 13, 2009, 11:01:07 PM
I had to chime in since I see that Shriver is posting.  

My favorite teams to beat while at TMC were:
1 - Hanover (we can all agree on that)
2 - DC (because they were the gold standard before TMC showed up and we had good battles)
3 - Wilmington (don't know why)

MSJ was never a big deal and I don't know why.  I always had decent stats in that game ;D

Times have changed and it's a great game now.  I'll be in Dayton watching my wife's volleyball team attempt to win a state title and I hope to get back and hear some good news.  

TMC 30  MSJ 19
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2009, 08:33:05 AM
My prediction for the MSJ/TMC battle:  TMC 27  MSJ 10.  MSJ is 9-0 but only has one quality win FC  RHIT comeback was impressive (RHIT beat the Griz).  But I am just not seeing it for MSJ.  For HCAC purposes I would like to see MSJ win.  Home playoff game and seed on the line.  Playoffs really start today for those teams.

FC travels to Hanover today for the Victory Bell game.  This should end up a close one. On paper the Griz should roll but the Panthers have really improved this season.  FC 35 HC 31.  We will be there, ending our three week big ten run (Ann Arbor, Iowa City, and Bloomington the last three weeks).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballmsj on November 14, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
its a great day in delhi!!!  I just got another hour renting cars and saving lives (yes I work for enterprise now)....then I'm gonna get a 6 pack of a couple cold "pops" and then watch the bridge bowl.  I'm expecting it to be a competitive game but after the "hit" last year and a chance for a home playoff game, I have a feeling there is going to be ALOT OF $HIT TALKING AND HARD HITTING.  Then who knows.  Everybody might end up at Maloney's.


SAYER SAVE ME A SEAT!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
My prediction?  Steinmetz and Gramke somehow surprise with their speed and tenacity.  Its coming boys of Delhi..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2009, 01:32:23 PM
i used to love to play TMC, 3 of my 4 years they came down to the last minute of the game.  i think TMC will come out on top but it will be a good game through 3 quarters.  Saintsfan.  my brother was at dc for the 93, 94 then 96, 97 seasons then coached 98.

Its coming, boys of Delhi...wow that sounds like title to gay porn if i have ever heard it.

D3DB - yep i was there, it was my sr year and lived North of Dayton so it was 30 min away for me.  i never had a driver fall asleep on us but we did pull up next to a car in cleveland on the way to our game at Mount Union and a guy was pantless and pleasuring himself driving the car next to our bus. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 14, 2009, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2009, 01:32:23 PM
i used to love to play TMC, 3 of my 4 years they came down to the last minute of the game.  i think TMC will come out on top but it will be a good game through 3 quarters.  Saintsfan.  my brother was at dc for the 93, 94 then 96, 97 seasons then coached 98.

Its coming, boys of Delhi...wow that sounds like title to gay porn if i have ever heard it.

D3DB - yep i was there, it was my sr year and lived North of Dayton so it was 30 min away for me.  i never had a driver fall asleep on us but we did pull up next to a car in cleveland on the way to our game at Mount Union and a guy was pantless and pleasuring himself driving the car next to our bus. 
:D I remember the bus being dead quite & Don Juan notifying the bus by yelling it to everyone!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2009, 05:21:01 PM
I meant a ****storm was coming..

Hats off to MSJ, for playing hard.  It was sweet to see the MSJ side of stands empty out in 4th quarter.  TMC didn't play their best, but they didn't need to.  I will comment more when I get to a computer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 14, 2009, 05:53:28 PM
Congrats to the Saints on the big win today.  Hope you guys go far in the playoffs (unless you play ONU and MUC).  Saintsfan, if your guys are playing in two more weeks, I'll do my best to make the game since I will be home.  I figure I owe it to you anyways!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2009, 09:48:42 PM
Thanks RC, but I would really would like to see how TMC stacks up with an elite OAC team.. I'm pulling for ONU tomorrow and in playoffs unless its against TMC.  Absolutely let me know when you're in town.

Did anyone read the frontpage?  Truer words have not been spoken.. Some 9-0 records are NOT equal..

Thomas More and Mount St. Joseph each ran the table and have already clinched playoff spots. But not all 9-0 records are created equal. No. 11 Thomas More proved that by crushing No. 25 Mount St. Joseph 42-17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 14, 2009, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: altor on November 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
I've been by Wittenberg and thought it had seats on both sides, but looking on Google Maps, that must be a one-sider too.  Perhaps it used to have seats on both sides and they took out the visiting bleachers for the all-weather track?

Since nobody seems to be posting on this board tonight...just thought I'd put one final thing into this discussion before calling it dead.

I talked to my father today, who grew up in Springfield, and Wittenberg did indeed have stands on the east side of the stadium at one time, but probably not when I would have ever seen them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 14, 2009, 11:37:34 PM
DC finished on a good note.  Sent the seniors out with a 35-0 shutout against Bluffton to keep "the hammer" in Defiance for another year.  As a side-note, has anyone actually seen "the hammer?"

A bit of a disappointing season.  They should have beaten Manchester and Hanover, but I was expecting a loss in Terre Haute.

I haven't seen a schedule for next year.  Since they'll have an odd number of teams, the HCAC almost has to play 8 conference games.  Keeping Trine and Adrian on the schedule makes a lot of sense, if only from a travel budget perspective.

Don't know that I have anything insightful to say.  It was a blah ending to a blah season.  Time to get out the roundballs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2009, 12:13:24 AM
If Pats projections hold up, MSJ at Whitewater next Saturday.  Not good.  ONU at TMC in a homecoming for Dean Paul..

And funny to see Pat refernce the night I took him to Dickmans on this night a year ago
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 15, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: altor on November 14, 2009, 11:37:34 PM
DC finished on a good note.  Sent the seniors out with a 35-0 shutout against Bluffton to keep "the hammer" in Defiance for another year.  As a side-note, has anyone actually seen "the hammer?"

A bit of a disappointing season.  They should have beaten Manchester and Hanover, but I was expecting a loss in Terre Haute.

I haven't seen a schedule for next year.  Since they'll have an odd number of teams, the HCAC almost has to play 8 conference games.  Keeping Trine and Adrian on the schedule makes a lot of sense, if only from a travel budget perspective.

Don't know that I have anything insightful to say.  It was a blah ending to a blah season.  Time to get out the roundballs.
Never knew there was a hammer involved.  Just knew there was a rivalry between the two.  I personally took the Adrian rivalry to heart more than Bluffton while I was at DC.

I also agree that DC should have beaten Manchester & Hanover, but in typical DC fashion as of late they played very poorly when they IMO were the better team.  It will be interesting to see what happens for next year w/ the scheduling too.  I would like them to keep Adrian & branch out of the MIAA & go with a NCAC like Wooster or Wabash, CCIW like North Central team, or get things going with TMC again.  I want to see them start playing tougher teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 15, 2009, 12:40:35 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2009, 12:13:24 AM
If Pats projections hold up, MSJ at Whitewater next Saturday.  Not good.  ONU at TMC in a homecoming for Dean Paul..

And funny to see Pat refernce the night I took him to Dickmans on this night a year ago
I don't see how Trine could get seeded over MSJ for the Whitewater bracket?  Trine & MSJ share the same record & MSJ beat Franklin while Trine lost to them.  Plus, Trine comes from a weaker conference.  Not the much weaker but I would think most would agree it is (I don't know what the rankings from Kickoff are Pat ;)). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2009, 01:52:00 AM
You may have a point there -- Trine's SOS was .503 and MSJ's was .493, which is why I went that direction.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 15, 2009, 09:24:29 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 15, 2009, 12:24:27 AM

Never knew there was a hammer involved.  Just knew there was a rivalry between the two.  I personally took the Adrian rivalry to heart more than Bluffton while I was at DC.

I also agree that DC should have beaten Manchester & Hanover, but in typical DC fashion as of late they played very poorly when they IMO were the better team.  It will be interesting to see what happens for next year w/ the scheduling too.  I would like them to keep Adrian & branch out of the MIAA & go with a NCAC like Wooster or Wabash, CCIW like North Central team, or get things going with TMC again.  I want to see them start playing tougher teams.

I didn't know of "a hammer" either, BP, and wonder if the Bluffton "rivalry" isn't resultant process of elimination based on series longevity.  Football rivals during my DC days were ONU and Findlay - of course, that was during the "dark ages."

The conference affiliations and agreements (like the NCAC/UAA deal) make schedule alterations difficult, and for now, it appears that the closest the Jackets might get to playing a 'Bash or Woo is an inherited Earlham team.  At least in the case of Wabash, there would be NO sacrifice of DePauw for Defiance,  :o - personal experience not withstanding  ::) ;).

Lily isn't dating yet, is she?  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 15, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one who has never seen the thing.  I'm pretty sure it's a recent addition to the rivalry and neither team really makes a big deal of the trophy as far as I can tell, so it doesn't surprise me that y'all have never heard of it.  I understand it's pretty large, but I'd expect it to be displayed somewhere.  At least bring it out to the sideline during the game or something.  I mean, this thing isn't the Monon Bell that's likely to get stolen.  And what is the likelihood that Mennonites would steal it anyways?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2009, 03:30:02 PM
MSJ at Witt.
Depauw at Thomas More.

Saints got the 2 seed in south on the strength of the "game" yesterday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2009, 03:30:02 PM
MSJ at Witt.
Depauw at Thomas More.

Saints got the 2 seed in south on the strength of the "game" yesterday.

Glad Franklin could help the SOS by helping MSJ stay unbeaten for the Bridge Bowl.  ;D TM has a great shot to advance.  DePauw is no better than FC IMO. 

Good luck to MSJ as well.  It could be worse.  Wittenberg is really good but not unbeatable. 

Congrats to the Griz on keeping the Victory Bell for the fifth straight year.  Most players back next year for the Griz.  7-3 is certainly not the best record but the losses come to undefeated Butler and two conference champions.  Nothing to be ashamed of.  34-8 the last four seasons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 15, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: altor on November 15, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one who has never seen the thing.  And what is the likelihood that Mennonites would steal it anyways?

Depends if there're more than three barn-raisings scheduled for the same day in the greater, Bluffton metroplex...   ::) Before any howls of insensitivity, I'm married to a former Mennonite maiden from scenic Wayne County.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 15, 2009, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
Good luck to MSJ as well.  It could be worse.  Wittenberg is really good but not unbeatable. 
Pat made a good point on the selection show.  You've got to question how much Witt has been tested.  The toughest team on their schedule did not have their starting QB.

Quote
Congrats to the Griz on keeping the Victory Bell for the fifth straight year.  Most players back next year for the Griz.  7-3 is certainly not the best record but the losses come to undefeated Butler and two conference champions.  Nothing to be ashamed of.  34-8 the last four seasons.
What conference did RHIT win?   ;)
Franklin beat the other conference champion they played.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2009, 09:36:49 PM
Brain fart.  I forgot fc beat trine. Haha
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 07:26:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2009, 01:52:00 AM
You may have a point there -- Trine's SOS was .503 and MSJ's was .493, which is why I went that direction.

Guess they don't take into account head to head's. Which, anyone who runs a tournament, knows, that is the #1 deciding factor in seeding if applicable. Regardless, I don't see MSJ beating CWR or Witt, but I'd rather play CRW...which should be the case. Is .01 difference in SOS THAT big of a deal??? That's the difference of 1 win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2009, 07:37:07 AM
All the Hammer was added to the DC bluffton game in the last 3-4 years which is why none of us have a clue what it looks like.  it should be a great rivalry being the schools are only 20 min apart but outside of 2000 they have been awful so it takes a luster out of it...kinda like OSU UM right Has_been!!!!


i like the seeding for TMC and MSJ cant complain.  TMC is potentially setup for a decent run.  If MSJ can shake the beating from last week Witt is not the team TMC is.

Gut tells me TMC wins a few and gets shot at Mount Union inn the semi's
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 07:51:04 AM
JP is a tease! He comes on, just to give you a taste, then he disappears. I know of a school who needs a new offensive coordinator....if you're interested :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 16, 2009, 11:06:03 AM
Good Luck to MSJ.  Would love nothing better than an upset of Witt. 

70_dc_alum hope your hunch is right!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2009, 11:17:19 AM
Quote from: altor on November 15, 2009, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
Good luck to MSJ as well.  It could be worse.  Wittenberg is really good but not unbeatable. 
Pat made a good point on the selection show.  You've got to question how much Witt has been tested.  The toughest team on their schedule did not have their starting QB.

Don't let any of that fool you...Wittenberg is very good.  While it's true that they got Wabash with Hudson in convalescence, Witt is nasty on defense and if they are playing D anywhere close to the level that they have all year, they'll be in the regional final.  That's a very tough draw for MSJ. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballmsj on November 16, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
couple things that I noticed from the Bridge Bowl:

1.  The mount played hard but they were a little outmatched.  They were trying to establish the run and had their  moments but TM pretty much shut it down in the second half.  I was hoping the mount would have gotten the ball to #2.  He did a good job of making people miss in the open field

2.  Thomas more's run game looked REAL GOOD.  They looked good running their read option

3.  It was very nice to see a good crowd at the game.  Their were a decent amount of people on the hills enjoying the game (hopefully enjoying a couple of adult beverages).  I would have been on the hill but I decided to kill a 40 before I got into the stadium plus I had to meet with an associate.



Good luck to both teams this weekend
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 16, 2009, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2009, 07:37:07 AM
All the Hammer was added to the DC bluffton game in the last 3-4 years which is why none of us have a clue what it looks like.  it should be a great rivalry being the schools are only 20 min apart but outside of 2000 they have been awful so it takes a luster out of it...kinda like OSU UM right Has_been!!!!


i like the seeding for TMC and MSJ cant complain.  TMC is potentially setup for a decent run.  If MSJ can shake the beating from last week Witt is not the team TMC is.

Gut tells me TMC wins a few and gets shot at Mount Union inn the semi's

Twenty minutes?  What plane did DC charter for that game, or was there a brief bout of ethanol-induced blackout, enroute?  ::)

Very cold, bringing up OSU/UM - obviously, this won't be the year of the boil lancing and don't believe anyone will anticipate Schembechler '69.

Total agreement with a good set-up for TMC to make some noise.  DePauw has a formidable, possession-passing attack but their rushing is a here today/gone missing tomorrow dilemma.  Koors, Mulligan, and Dahlstrom are excellent wideouts and Spud delivers.  Pressure him, and there's opportunity for turnovers.  Fully expect TMC to represent at least to the quarters.

Regarding MSJ's (and Trine's) seeding, believe that the 6 and 7s have a better opportunity for second round wins than the 4 and 5.  Whalen (and his receiver cadre) are difficult to defend, particularly when he improvises behind a very disciplined OL, but their defense is prone to give up some big plays.  Should Trine win in the first round, they are certainly beatable (as Franklin has proven...).

In spite of a soft schedule, Witt's defense shouldn't be underestimated.  80 TFLs and 31 sacks from their front seven is sick (#47 has 20 and 14.5 of those).  While some would nominate LB McKinley for the "Conrad Dobler" award, he is effective at finding the ball and taking others off their game.  Huffman could end of OPOY in the NCAC, has decent receivers, a good RB in Weber, and he can run when forced from the pocket.  Accolades aside, they're not invinceable and I like MSJ's chance to pull an upset (particularly if the Tigers are looking ahead, which may happen if Fincham doesn't keep them focused).

Good luck to both TMC and MSJ - along with the "Dannies", y'all have a chance to make some noise this year!  ;) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2009, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 07:26:56 AM
Guess they don't take into account head to head's.

This isn't head-to-head, it's a common opponent, just to clarify.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 12:38:01 PM
That's what I meant.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
20 min 40 min close enough :). All I remember is did not have enough time to fall asleep on the bus ride there and had no desire to ever go back since someone told me it was a dry town!!

I don't think Witt is a cake walk. MSJ will have to play their best game of the year to gave a shot but when it comes to matching up with the 1&2 seeds I would prefer Witt over some of the other options. 7 seed is a lot better seed than 8 in that bracket so MSJ lucked out there. My guess is a little travel love to go with the SW Ohio matchup vs having to go out to UWW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 01:29:41 PM
They still should be playing CWRU. The selection committee botched that one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2009, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 01:29:41 PM
They still should be playing CWRU. The selection committee botched that one.
What difference does it really make?  They would have to play Witt if they beat CWRU or vise versa.  Plus, Witt is better than playing UWW, but I would like to have the chance to play them to get an opportunity to just play a team of their caliber & see how we would match up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on November 17, 2009, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2009, 07:51:04 AM
JP is a tease! He comes on, just to give you a taste, then he disappears. I know of a school who needs a new offensive coordinator....if you're interested :)
Just stopped by to say hello.  I've had to read more this year since I'm not coaching but I likely will not be posting.  Too bad I have to get on the HCAC board for TMC info but it is what it is.  Also hard to hear about my Cavaliers struggling so much.  I'm going to start a movement to have the school moved to Mason so we can pull the Moeller lovers back to the good side and I can coach.  Going to a Moeller event can serve as a mini Purcell reunion sometimes.  Anyway, my U8 soccer team is undefeated and 1-0 in the state playoffs, the wife just won the D1 state volleyball championship on Saturday with Ursuline, TMC is primed to make a run, UC is unreal, and the Bengals beat Pittsburg twice.  What the hell.  Life is good.  Still have to get Purcell figured out.  Get that done Sayer.  I'm in Mason and can't get out this year.

Rebel
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 17, 2009, 08:36:26 AM
Rebel
Congrats to the wife (I have to say that since you still have our picture from the P&P party circa 1990-91 up on the web).  You could always go to the PAC board in the South region to get TMC info but you just like snuggling up to the MSJ crowd.  See you at the game this week, maybe a Woodpeckers reunion at halftime.  Here's to the Mount beating Witt (I hate those guys too and we never even played them!!).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
The season isn't over for the HCAC, fellas..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 18, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
No Witt chatter at all?  I was impressed with MSJ QB and I think Witt hasn't been tested yet this year.  Where are the Lions?  I want you guys to go 9-1 every year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 18, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Busy...my focus is now on the wrestling team.

Witt may not have been tested yet, but I think they are the better team. You need to do 2 things well to win games. One is run the ball and two is play great defense. Their D is on par with TMC, probably a little better and they run the ball. I wish them luck but i don't think this is their year. Ask Hubie...even he was a little surprised by how well things went.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 19, 2009, 09:56:51 AM
MSJ QB has been impressive this year, question is will he be on his back the whole day.  QB's play a lot different when the heat is on...ask Rothlisberger!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2009, 11:49:54 AM
Next year MSJ should have a team capable of wining a playoff game...or two. 

Offensively they will be the real deal. They return 8 starters. The QB, leading WR, and both primary RB's return. They also return 3 of their O-linemen. Their offense next year can be on par with the Franklin offense from last year. The key will be how well the 2 newcomers on the O-line mesh with the others. Defensively they only lose 3-4 starters as well.

I will be a little surprised if they do not start out in the 20th-25th area in next year's pre-season top 25.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2009, 11:49:54 AM
Next year MSJ should have a team capable of wining a playoff game...or two. 

Offensively they will be the real deal. They return 8 starters. The QB, leading WR, and both primary RB's return. They also return 3 of their O-linemen. Their offense next year can be on par with the Franklin offense from last year. The key will be how well the 2 newcomers on the O-line mesh with the others. Defensively they only lose 3-4 starters as well.

I will be a little surprised if they do not start out in the 20th-25th area in next year's pre-season top 25.

those 3 or 4 they lose on defense are huge contributors.  I also expect them to be ranked...preseason until week 11 again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 19, 2009, 12:55:02 PM
I was looking through the standings and I came about some odd things (none of which have to do with HCAC football):

1. Hiram's record since 1999: 10-99 (.092 win %). Since 1999, Hiram's had 6, 0-10 seasons

2. In 2005, Wesley beat Salsbury 63-19. Salsbury beat Brockport State 35-30. Naturally you would think that Wesley would destroy Brockport State, yet Brockport State beat Wesley 47-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on November 19, 2009, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 18, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
No Witt chatter at all?  I was impressed with MSJ QB and I think Witt hasn't been tested yet this year.  Where are the Lions?  I want you guys to go 9-1 every year.
You probably won't see any Witt chatter, or just a post or 2. Not much content on the NCAC thread all year. Witt appears to be approching this season with a gigantic chip on their collective shoulders. None bigger than McKinley's, the MLB. He likes to slap people as the teams are sorting themselves out after a play and he consistantlyl plays as though the field was 3 yds wider on both sides.
        You won't hear any smack talk and their record speaks for itself, particularly on defense-ppg. rushing. pass defense- you name it. Wabash played the defense of their lives and still lost 10-7/ Good luck to MSJ- the tiders deserve a loss
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
How was Witt offensively?  Sounds like they've had a lot of personal fouls called on them..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 19, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
How was Witt offensively?  Sounds like they've had a lot of personal fouls called on them..

Personal Fouls - as far as intentional and late stuff, most seem to surround McKinley.  He's darned good - small in stature for a MLB at 5'8", but plays like he has a Napoleonic complex with a tendency toward "extracurriculars," whether on the sidelines or on the way to the locker room.  I believe he only got two flags in C'ville, but qualified for a half dozen that weren't caught - it's been that way all three years I've watched him.  Frankly, SF, some of the NCAC crews are also a bit overzealous when it comes to that call, particularly with unavoidable contact at end of plays or sideline passes.  Given the league norms, an aggressive defense sometimes suffers inadvertent consequences from the zebras.  ;)  Oops, I'm fined.  ;D

Offensively, Huffman is a good, sound quarterback and has the ability to get out and run to pick up yardage.  He can either stay in the pocket or roll out equally well.  Wideouts aren't overly flashy, but better described as workmanlike - good hands, decent patterns, and get the job done.  Weber is solid at running back - he had a tougher day at Wabash, but Huffman more than made up for it on the ground.  The OL, like the DL - solid.

In a nutshell, Witt isn't the flashiest team but Fincham has them playing in a "take no prisoners" mode.  They're very sound on special teams, and make few mistakes.  Unless decked out in purple, it'll will take a near perfect game from an opponent to take 'em out.  A lot has been made of the fact that Wabash's QB wasn't available, and while true, the second and third team QBs are decent in their own right.  It took four interceptions by Frederick, and a lot of good tackling to hold Witt to one TD before that last play field goal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Cheapshots are one thing, but there is nothing wrong with playing to the whistle...even if that means drilling a guy as he's going out of bounds, taking your full 2 steps after a QB throws the ball, etc. I love when a guy plays like he has something to prove. It instills a certain mentality and many times, the other players on the team pick up on it and play like it as well.

Our RT, Tepee, would hop piles after the play if a whistle wasn't blown. An official said something to him about it when he hit a guy after the play - but before the whistle when we played Anderson. Tepee's response to the official, "Blow the whistle faster." I thought for sure we would get an unsportsmanlike.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 20, 2009, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Cheapshots are one thing, but there is nothing wrong with playing to the whistle...even if that means drilling a guy as he's going out of bounds, taking your full 2 steps after a QB throws the ball, etc. I love when a guy plays like he has something to prove. It instills a certain mentality and many times, the other players on the team pick up on it and play like it as well.

Our RT, Tepee, would hop piles after the play if a whistle wasn't blown. An official said something to him about it when he hit a guy after the play - but before the whistle when we played Anderson. Tepee's response to the official, "Blow the whistle faster." I thought for sure we would get an unsportsmanlike.

yep... I remember a certain guy named Adam Sayer costing his team 15 in the Bridge Bowl played at Mariemont.... on the TMC sideline.  Luckily the beer I threw at you missed.    ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 20, 2009, 12:43:06 PM
What a waste of perfectly good beer - would think that a targeted Sayer would be worth at least of bottle of Meier's Cold Duck.  You know, "Hey, Adam! "Duck!"  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2009, 01:45:22 PM
That would have been a long throw considering the visitor's bench was on the far side of the field. You may have been a QB, but your arm wasn't THAT good.

I think that was the only personal foul I ever got while at MSJ for being stupid. I did get 1 for hitting a guy after the whistle (though the whistle hadn't been blown at the time). I was threatened to be removed from the game by the official for my language after the crap call. I think I should have whipped out the Bull Durham line and told him it was a C*ck suckin call. I'm sure that would have gotten a rise :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 20, 2009, 06:42:49 PM
I was on the TMC sideline, fool.. I WAS talking chit to you when you were getting up, though..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 20, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
Good luck to msj and tm tomorrow.  A contingent of the regular fc tailgate crew are headed to Bloomington in the mornng for the IU Purdue game. Nothing but pride on the line.  Burgers brats wings ribs and the usual beverages.   Corn hole and country music.  Nothing better than cooking meat and drinking in a parking lot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 21, 2009, 07:32:25 AM
Good luck to MSJ and TMC today...represent the Cincy area. 

SaintsFan tossing a beer at Sayer.  good thing you did not it him it would be like throwing spinach to popeye.

i nearly got tossed for laying into a ref too when there was a late hit on the QB.  was some really old dude at Thiel and i asked him if "he was too old to actually be able to see the hit or was he just that f'n stupid that he did not realize it was the QB"  in his defense the hit was so late no one realized it was the QB becuase he had got  back to the LOS after a pass.  my dumbest personal foul was against MSJ in the 97 season when the D-end tried to take my helmet off so i started to bitch to the ref that he might want to call hands to the face.  then the next play i had a successful pass block with a straight uppercut that completely took off his helmet and nearly de-cleated him...yep ref took my advise from the play before and was looking for it, duh
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2009, 12:26:07 PM
14-0 TMC with 7 min left in 1st quarter. Saints have totally shutdown the run and making plays on Dicks passes. 70 yard TD pass to reception by Owens and 1 yard run by Collier. 539 left in 1st quarter and Tigers are now punting for 3rd time..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 21, 2009, 02:37:16 PM
Trine is beating CWRU 51-31. I think MSJ did indeed get screwed. You have to play the game, but like I said, I would rather play CWRU than Witt...and some people said it didn't matter considering the current score. MSJ got d!cked out of a very possible victory.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2009, 05:02:49 PM
Dude, like I said.. When you get beat 42-17 in week 11, you get what you get.  Last year TMC got shipped to NCC as an 8 and they just accepted it because of the loss to Geneva..

Congrats to MSJ on winning the HCAC, but playing in the playoffs is a privilege.. About 200 d3 teams would have changed places with them.

I saw MSJ and they looked like an 8 seed..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 21, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
Congrats to TMC. Big win.

I think msj should be happy because location they did not have to play the true #8 seed which I think would have put them against UWW and the 70 pt whooooooping they laid today

does it matter though?  I was a little suprised on how bad mount smashed WJ. They are dominating good
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2009, 05:02:49 PM
Dude, like I said.. When you get beat 42-17 in week 11, you get what you get.  Last year TMC got shipped to NCC as an 8 and they just accepted it because of the loss to Geneva..

Congrats to MSJ on winning the HCAC, but playing in the playoffs is a privilege.. About 200 d3 teams would have changed places with them.

I saw MSJ and they looked like an 8 seed..

They probably were only as good as a 7 or 8 seed, but that is besides the point. When Trine was put into the same regional bracket, MSJ should have been seeded above them. MSJ beats Franklin, Franklin beats Trine and as Pat mentioned, the SOS wasn't very different (one-hundredths of a point). It came down to the selection committee feeling Trine was better and I don't see how that conclusion can be made when their exists a common opponent. Trine also lost to a 7-3 team, whereas MSJ lost to a team who was 10-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
i do see your point.  I don't think MSJ would've gotten beat 42-14 against CWRU, but they wouldn't have been able to outscore the Spartans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 23, 2009, 12:40:48 PM
The point, "beside" or "taken", is that there is no "fool proof" method to determine fairness or weigh parity.  The NCAA divisions, not including the factory farms, make a concerted effort to try, but there are always statistical outliers.  Should Trine have received "a perceived favorable draw" over MSJ since conveniently, there are no "official seedings?"  In spite of a gaudy 10-0 record with a signature win over an under-achieving Wooster, one wonders how CWRU "got a number 3."  Record.

One might argue that either IWU or Wabash, based on comparatives and on-field performance would take Witt or Case - but neither had the unblemished record to merit the opportunity, and instead, the winner is rewrded with the purple "Perk." 

In agreement that a one-point, road loss in week three by Trine shouldn't override a road win by MSJ in week eight over a common opponent when it comes to pairings, but again it comes down to perfection being difficult to argue.  It begs to question - does the NCAA pick up the travel/hotel bills?  I ask, if only curious if the thought of expenses for two teams, overnight, versus just one might have played a role?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2009, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 23, 2009, 12:40:48 PM
 
In agreement that a one-point, road loss in week three by Trine shouldn't override a road win by MSJ in week eight over a common opponent when it comes to pairings, but again it comes down to perfection being difficult to argue.  It begs to question - does the NCAA pick up the travel/hotel bills?  I ask, if only curious if the thought of expenses for two teams, overnight, versus just one might have played a role?

With CWRU being about a 5-hour drive, couldn't the NCAA make the start date 2 or 3pm? That would enable MSJ to stay out of a hotel. Regardless, it's over and done with, but it seems, after viewing the results, that MSJ missed out on a chance to win a playoff game.

Now that the season is over, though I will try to get to Crestview Hills this weekend, I think MSJ needs to re-evaluate their schedule at the soonest possible time. They have shown they can dominate and win the HCAC on a consistent basis. Wilmington was once a game with recruiting implications. It no longer is now that MSJ is consistently a playoff team and Wilmington is stuck at the bottom of the OAC year in and year out. I would hope they would consider another regional team to play (i.e. the team that just beat them in the playoffs would work well). Other options could be Capital, Ohio Northern, or Otterbein (we played them my freshman year). They owe it to themselves to play a team who is consistently good. It is always good starting off 1-0, but in the great world of DIII, as long as you win your conference, it doesn't matter what your record is. Plus, win that game, even if it's by accident, and you're set up very nicely for the post season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 23, 2009, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 23, 2009, 11:21:37 AMIt came down to the selection committee feeling Trine was better and I don't see how that conclusion can be made when their exists a common opponent.

I'm not sure that was the conclusion.  I wonder if this committee didn't take a more strict interpretation of the "pair according to geography" directive.

When I look at the bracket, it looks to me like they split them into four groups of eight.  Perhaps, they chose host schools for the first round.  Then, they paired everybody mostly based on geography.  There are basically three exceptions to this theory, and those are easily explained.  Albright didn't play Delaware Valley and St. Thomas didn't play St. John's because they are conference foes.  Also, they probably split up NC Wesleyan and Hampden Sydney because they had played in week 1.

Without knowing the seeds, we won't know for sure.  But, I think MSJ drew Witt more based on geography than merit.
Title: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Raven on November 23, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
What's up everyone... First time poster here.  My co-worker's brother played and now coaches at Trine.  They will have their hands full this weekend.  TMC looks solid.  Wonder if they are better than the 2000 or 2001 TMC teams.  Castleberry was a beast and Lowery was very tough to contain.  Looking at the bracket TMC looks to have the best chance at the Semi's.  No MUC or UWW.  If Trine wins we will be taking a road trip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 04:33:13 PM
Quote from: Old Raven on November 23, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
What's up everyone... First time poster here.  My co-worker's brother played and now coaches at Trine.  They will have their hands full this weekend.  TMC looks solid.  Wonder if they are better than the 2000 or 2001 TMC teams.  Castleberry was a beast and Lowery was very tough to contain.  Looking at the bracket TMC looks to have the best chance at the Semi's.  No MUC or UWW.  If Trine wins we will be taking a road trip.

Trine plays at Wittenberg.

TMC hosts Johns Hopkins, and is in the Wesley bracket.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 23, 2009, 04:48:58 PM
Sayer, I agree that MSJ & other HCAC schools need to start playing tougher teams when it comes to nonconference games.  If there is going to be any improvement in the HCAC they need to start playing tougher schools.  They seem to play a lot of bottom dwellers from better conferences.  Plus I would like to see more of a seperation from the MIAA.  It seems like there are a lot of games between the two conferences.  I would still like to see DC keep Adrian on the schedule though due to their history. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: Old Raven on November 23, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
What's up everyone... First time poster here.  My co-worker's brother played and now coaches at Trine.  They will have their hands full this weekend.  TMC looks solid.  Wonder if they are better than the 2000 or 2001 TMC teams.  Castleberry was a beast and Lowery was very tough to contain.  Looking at the bracket TMC looks to have the best chance at the Semi's.  No MUC or UWW.  If Trine wins we will be taking a road trip.

They have more talent than those teams from earlier this decade.  The team speed is very good... it takes most teams a few series to adjust... meanwhile, TMC usually has scored a touchdown or two during the adjustment period.  Their DE's and LB's can blitz or defend the pass and they've totally shutdown the running game all year.  They are giving only 51.8 yards a game on the ground.   Through 11 games thats 570 yards total. 

They play a physical team in JHU this weeekend, but I like TMC's chances because of their speed and because they are at home.  They will be playing the Wesley/ Miss College winner in two weeks and a few of the Mount Union guys think they'll win the South and be in Alliance in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 23, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 23, 2009, 04:48:58 PMI would still like to see DC keep Adrian on the schedule though due to their history. 

I found this the other night.  According to Adrian, DC and Bluffton are still on their schedule for 2010.
http://www.adrian.edu/sports/football_future_sched.php (http://www.adrian.edu/sports/football_future_sched.php)

Still haven't found anything regarding the other non-conference opponent.
Title: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old Raven on November 24, 2009, 08:53:53 AM
... would love to see TMC make it to Mt. Union.  I would make a road trip to see that one. I see that all the OAC teams only have one non-concerence game each year.  Why does Mt. Union waste it on D3 teams?  Does anyone else wonder how they stack up to bigger division teams?  For years I've wished that they would play someone like Grand Valley State and see how they compare, plus it would earn some respect.  I live in Indy and love seeing Pierre Garcon do well.  Does anyone know why he left Norwich his freshmen year for Mt. Union?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: Old Raven on November 24, 2009, 08:53:53 AM
... would love to see TMC make it to Mt. Union.  I would make a road trip to see that one. I see that all the OAC teams only have one non-concerence game each year.  Why does Mt. Union waste it on D3 teams?  Does anyone else wonder how they stack up to bigger division teams?  For years I've wished that they would play someone like Grand Valley State and see how they compare, plus it would earn some respect.  I live in Indy and love seeing Pierre Garcon do well.  Does anyone know why he left Norwich his freshmen year for Mt. Union?

Being that you are new to the board, it is understandable that you would not be aware that those questions have been discussed extensively in the past couple of years, particularly over on the OAC board.  While I and many others would love to see Mount Union play a DII team like Grand Valley (or nearby Ashland, etc.) basically they simply do not desire to do that nor feel that it would be of any advantage to their program.  I also forgot why Garcon transferred to Mount, however, if you go over to the OAC board and ask those two questions to the regular Mount posters there, for sure they can provide you with better answers i.e. more specifics than I can.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: short on November 24, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: Old Raven on November 24, 2009, 08:53:53 AM
... would love to see TMC make it to Mt. Union.  I would make a road trip to see that one. I see that all the OAC teams only have one non-concerence game each year.  Why does Mt. Union waste it on D3 teams?  Does anyone else wonder how they stack up to bigger division teams?  For years I've wished that they would play someone like Grand Valley State and see how they compare, plus it would earn some respect.  I live in Indy and love seeing Pierre Garcon do well.  Does anyone know why he left Norwich his freshmen year for Mt. Union?

I can tell you how Mount would stack up vs Grand Valley! NOT WELL!!! In fact they would play GVSU about as well as TMC would play Mount Union! 49-0ish, Mount might score a TD but they would be out classed at almost every position! Much like TMC vs Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 10:37:29 AM
You're a moron if you think every position would be out-classed.  That or you know nothing about the personnel Thomas More has recruited to campus.  Do I think TMC would beat Mount Union?  No.  But I think it would be a good game and end up having MUC pull away late 34-13. 

It would be two physical, fast football teams.  Don't use W&Js score as a comparison (which is exactly what you are doing)... different games, different motivations --
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2009, 11:47:15 AM
In all honesty, TMC might play them "better" than a lot of other teams, but it would still be a 21-28 point game, only because TMC would score late on the JV's. TMC is prone to turnovers and I don't see them playing MUC "close" at any point after the 1st quarter. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2009, 11:47:15 AM
In all honesty, TMC might play them "better" than a lot of other teams, but it would still be a 21-28 point game, only because TMC would score late on the JV's. TMC is prone to turnovers and I don't see them playing MUC "close" at any point after the 1st quarter. 

with 52 man rosters, there aren't any JV's. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: short on November 24, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Call me a moron, I don't care.  I didn't say every position I said "almost" every position and I stand by that.  I have seem TMC play this year and I think they would have finished 3rd in the NCAC and about 5th or 6th in the OAC.  TMC Beat JCU 14-7 Mount Union beat JCU 56-7! WJ 55-0 vs 14-7.  TMC plays with a 200 lb Nose tackle! Think what you want but I think your in for a rude wake up call if you make it that far!  Good Luck this weekend and I not trying to put down TMC they have a solid team and play very hard!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: short on November 24, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Call me a moron, I don't care.  I didn't say every position I said "almost" every position and I stand by that.  I have seem TMC play this year and I think they would have finished 3rd in the NCAC and about 5th or 6th in the OAC.  TMC Beat JCU 14-7 Mount Union beat JCU 56-7! WJ 55-0 vs 14-7.  TMC plays with a 200 lb Nose tackle! Think what you want but I think your in for a rude wake up call if you make it that far!  Good Luck this weekend and I not trying to put down TMC they have a solid team and play very hard!

That 200 lb nose tackle has been unblockable.  He's beat out the 260-275 lb guys on TMC's roster because of his speed.  Do you think we play him because we have nobody else?  He was also named All-PAC the past two years.  I'm not even going to respond to your statement about them finishing 3rd in the NCAC or 5th or 6th in the NCAC... but I bet someone else will.

The games you reference are about matchups... not comparing scores.  John Carroll was the 1st game of the season.  And TMC beat W&J at their place. 

If you are looking for high scores against inferior competition, ala Wittenburg and W&J  then you won't see it.  Hilvert has used this season to rotate at virtually every position so they are prepared for the future and were healthy for the playoff run they knew they had coming. 

Wittenburg still has played only one good team, and that team was without their QB when they played. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:13:07 PM
You are comparing scores.... THATS tricky.  Do I think Mount Union is good?  Hell yes, I do... I have seen them in person.  I've also been to other OAC games and TMC is right there with my old coach's team, Ohio Northern.  

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 12:32:58 PM
So then if Witt beat MSJ at Witt's place 42-14 and TMC beat MSJ at MSJ's place 42-17, then TMC is better than Witt but not as good as MUC.  Is that about right?

Sorry SaintsFAN couldn't help myself!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 12:37:40 PM
You said Wittenberg has only played one good team, and Thomas Moore might be in the same category. DPU ended the season with three losses, W&J got exposed in the playoffs (can count this as their "good team") JCU, usually a pretty decent team, did not have the wins this year. Wittenberg, played and beat pretty easily, the same MSJ team that TMC did (so throw that one out or compare scores in which case Wittenberg wins). I think the two are pretty evenly matched at this point. Which means that with Wabash not having their QB against Wittenberg  and since they were pretty close, means TMC and Wabash would be pretty close = POSSIBLE 3rd in the NCAC. Of course Wabash and TMC have a common opponent, DPU. Wabash won by 13 and TMC by 10. So I don't think its out of the way to say TMC would have a shot at finishing 3rd in the NCAC this year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Its ok, if they ever played on the field, Witt wouldn't be able to adjust to the speed on both sides of the ball.  This isn't the same team that Witt played previously
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:43:44 PM
TMC played 3 teams with 8 or more wins.. You guys are crazy to think TMC would be 3rd in that conference.  They beat MSJ at their place, not on the road.  It also is a huge rivalry game..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Since we are throwing around numbers in fantasy land, you might as well throw in an explanation for why both Witt and TMC were 10-0 in the regular season but TMC's SOS was 65 points higher than Witt's.  

That's it TMC at Witt for the 2010 opener, settle this thing on the field!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 12:53:23 PM
Depauw ended up 7-3 when Colorado College dropped. That leaves W&J and MSJ and Geneva who did it in 11 games.

Wittenberg played Wabash, Allegheny and MSJ and all had over 8 or more wins. Point is same "lousy schedule".

The bridge bowl is a huge rivalry game in which, this year at least, one team was grossly overmatched. Also, unless I am mistaken "their place" is like a jaunt into Ohio. The same argument can be made for Wabash v. Depauw. A huge rivalry game in which Wabash beat DePauw at "their place" (a 30 minute car ride away) and by more than TMC did at home. See how this works?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 12:53:23 PM
Depauw ended up 7-3 when Colorado College dropped. That leaves W&J and MSJ and Geneva who did it in 11 games.

Wittenberg played Wabash, Allegheny and MSJ and all had over 8 or more wins. Point is same "lousy schedule".

The bridge bowl is a huge rivalry game in which, this year at least, one team was grossly overmatched. Also, unless I am mistaken "their place" is like a jaunt into Ohio. The same argument can be made for Wabash v. Depauw. A huge rivalry game in which Wabash beat DePauw at "their place" (a 30 minute car ride away) and by more than TMC did at home. See how this works?

I didn't mention DePauw... playoff opponent.  Wabash and Allegheny only.  Unless you want to count playoff opponents, which wasn't scheduled. 


THATS why I SAID you can't compare scores.  short started the comparison of scores.  TMC's advantage in a HEAD TO HEAD game with Witt or Wabash would be team speed.   I'm not going to sit there and let you tell me that the NCAC is a great conference.  This year, its Wabash, who is consistently in playoffs and Witt who had a nice run with a watered down schedule in 2009.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Since we are throwing around numbers in fantasy land, you might as well throw in an explanation for why both Witt and TMC were 10-0 in the regular season but TMC's SOS was 65 points higher than Witt's.  

That's it TMC at Witt for the 2010 opener, settle this thing on the field!!!

No $hit... hopefully TMC isn't scared of Wittenburg to schedule that out.  Jesus



This is my point:

Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Since we are throwing around numbers in fantasy land, you might as well throw in an explanation for why both Witt and TMC were 10-0 in the regular season but TMC's SOS was 65 points higher than Witt's. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 24, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
Oh yeah!  My dad can beat up your dad, so there!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Notre Dame's team speed is much greater than Navy's. ;)

I agree play, decide it on the field. PAC and NCAC really ought to hook something up. 

Essentially, comparing TMC to Witt is at best pretty even up. Even when you factor in "common opponents" and "opponents opponents". Witt had a weaker SOS but scored 430 points and gave up 67, TMC had a stronger SOS but scored 346 and gave up 168 (through 11 games).  Because Geneva didn't get an 8th win until the 11th game, both teams had 2 regular season teams on their schedule with 8 wins or more. Team speed is incredibly subjective, because it isn't a track meet its a football game (Darrius Heyward-Bey). I just think it's not ridiculous to say TMC could finish 3rd in the NCAC, just like I wouldn't say it was ridiculous to say Witt finishes 3rd in the PAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 01:24:34 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Notre Dame's team speed is much greater than Navy's. ;)

I agree play, decide it on the field. PAC and NCAC really ought to hook something up. 

Essentially, comparing TMC to Witt is at best pretty even up. Even when you factor in "common opponents" and "opponents opponents". Witt had a weaker SOS but scored 430 points and gave up 67, TMC had a stronger SOS but scored 346 and gave up 168 (through 11 games).  Because Geneva didn't get an 8th win until the 11th game, both teams had 2 regular season teams on their schedule with 8 wins or more. Team speed is incredibly subjective, because it isn't a track meet its a football game (Darrius Heyward-Bey). I just think it's not ridiculous to say TMC could finish 3rd in the NCAC, just like I wouldn't say it was ridiculous to say Witt finishes 3rd in the PAC.

At a glance it looks even, sir.  But as maddening as it was during the season for some of us fans... everytime TMC had a lead in the 4th, with the exception of Grove City (QB was hurt) and W&J (closing out a close win) the TMC team substituted liberally, getting guys PT.  The varsity defense, had great numbers that were skewed quite a bit by the JV guys. 

and trust me, we were all worried about how it would look on the scoreboard on Sunday, but what Hilvert did was brilliant.  They were THAT MUCH better than everyone else in the PAC, so he got some valuable experience and tape on the kids who are coming back next year. 

Agree to disagree though, I see your logic.  I just don't think you (as most of the country doesn't -- I've been in Pat's ear all year with text messages and whatnot) have seen what is behind the scores.  Thats why I say you can't look at the scores.  For instance, Waynesburg scored 15 points (they went for 2 after one of them) in the 4th on our scrubs. 

re:  team speed

everyone who has played TMC has agreed, even DePauw.... it takes some getting used to.  Kendall Owens broke a tackle on a 5 yard out on the 1st series last week and wasn't touched again until he was slapping hands with his WR's in the endzone 70 yards later.  DePauw had pursuit angles on him, so they thought... he outran them.  The defense, like MUC (thats the only way I will compare them to Mount Union because hscoach and I were just talking about how alike they were size/speed at each position) is small but very fast. 

What does this mean?  Probably a loss this week since I'm jinxing the team by talking about finally... but I'm sick of people just assuming based on scores ---- TMC has a damn fine team.  Very fast, very aggressive, athletically gifted and very spirited.  Its the best team they've had in 20 years at the school and for those who are older and can remember the teams we had before (lots d1 transfers early), will know thats a huge statement. 

If they win this week, they have to play perfect next week... but win or not... the road ends in Alliance.  I've been around enough to know that even if TMC plays perfectly and doesn't turn the ball over, MUC could still put up 8 TD's on them... just like they could do to everyone else (with the exception of Whitewater).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2009, 01:27:38 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 01:24:34 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Notre Dame's team speed is much greater than Navy's. ;)

I agree play, decide it on the field. PAC and NCAC really ought to hook something up. 

Essentially, comparing TMC to Witt is at best pretty even up. Even when you factor in "common opponents" and "opponents opponents". Witt had a weaker SOS but scored 430 points and gave up 67, TMC had a stronger SOS but scored 346 and gave up 168 (through 11 games).  Because Geneva didn't get an 8th win until the 11th game, both teams had 2 regular season teams on their schedule with 8 wins or more. Team speed is incredibly subjective, because it isn't a track meet its a football game (Darrius Heyward-Bey). I just think it's not ridiculous to say TMC could finish 3rd in the NCAC, just like I wouldn't say it was ridiculous to say Witt finishes 3rd in the PAC.


If they win this week, they have to play perfect next week... but win or not... the road ends in Alliance.  I've been around enough to know that even if TMC plays perfectly and doesn't turn the ball over, MUC could still put up 8 TD's on them... just like they could do to everyone else (with the exception of Whitewater).

That's the smartest thing you've said all day :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
Somebody get SaintsFAN a water bottle and towel, stat!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
Somebody get SaintsFAN a water bottle and towel, stat!!

ha... Shriver you know me too well.... this was bound to happen.  They've been disrespected all year.  I know quite a few teams are looking at their scores and saying "we could win the PAC and be where they are today" .... no true.  I've seen one team with same speed as TMC, and I think thats why they walked through the PAC and made it look easy.


Mount St. Joe thought they had a chance this year too... same reason.  Its bunk and they've proven it through 11 games.


Adam,

They could also play well and keep it close... ala St John Fisher (playoff version).  BUT they have two hard games to win first.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Notre Dame's team speed is much greater than Navy's. ;)


As an Irish fan, this hurts to say... but I think ND is equal to Navy in speed ... at least defensively vs. the Midshipmen offense. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
Allow me to say, you make a valid point. I am BY NO MEANS bashing TMC. I have great respect for what they have done this year. Accomplishing an undefeated REGULAR SEASON is always an admirable feat(winning them ALL is something a lot harder than it sounds). I would just like you to admit that the PAC and the NCAC, this year, are really not as far apart as you would have us believe. I can hardly imagine Witt v. TMC would turn into anything other than a great game and a exciting time for all spectators. Just like I would like to believe the same about WAB v. W&J, All v. Grove City, etc. TMC very well might beat Witt and vice versa, and only one number could really tell us that. In the meantime, however, it sure is fun, and great exercise for our liberal arts educations, to try and come up with backing for our opinions.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 01:38:04 PM
Actually, truth be told, given TMC's locale (could have been in either North or South region) the selection committee obviously felt that TMC was better than Witt by putting them the #2 in the Wesley bracket (#3 team)as opposed to Witt's #2 in the Whitewater bracket (#2 team).  Simple rules of seeding.  

I can't wait until 2010, both teams need to win out and decide this in the Title game this year.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2009, 01:39:05 PM
This MSJ poster thought they could win, but ultimately gave TMC the recognition as being the better team. Actually, I don't ever think I said MSJ would win?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
Obviously you missed the message on seeds from the selection committee this year (they're aren't any), so how can that possibly be true?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
If you close one eye and squint really hard for 10 minutes, you can see them (seeds).  Aside of course from just looking at the bracket and figuring it out.

Really I was just trying to get my post numbers up, so you're right Witt is better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
And, as I think about it, who from the South could you bump to make room there? The North bracket had a Pool-C team in it, Wabash. All of the south bracket teams were Pool-A or B. There is no way you could geographically move out any team from the North Bracket(with the exception of UWW but not even the committee was going to put them in the West this year), but you could have moved TMC from the South to East and stuck UMHB into the South for a Pool-C team, and then moved MUC North. But the committee didn't see the PAC champion as a #1 seed so it didn't work out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 01:53:37 PM
No need to get snippy, did I not, just a few posts ago admit that I thought TMC and Witt are even? As for "figuring them out" if any bracket deserves to be the number 1 bracket how about the West? 4 undefeated teams and three pool-c"s, that is pretty loaded.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 01:59:46 PM
No snippyness intended, more of a smart alec with jokes that sometimes fall flat.  Point is, neither team has anything to complain about.  Both are hosting a 2nd round game that they should (knock on wood) win and then its off to the #1 seed team in their respective brackets which poses more than enough for either to chew on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 24, 2009, 02:00:01 PM
I'll get snippy: This whole "you gotta look behind the scores" thing is hilarious. TMC is a solid team having a GREAT season, but I'd stop using "team speed" as a qualifier in establishing [imaginary] dominance over whomever you choose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
Since I have yet to use the term "team speed" (damn I just did), I will respond.  I thought that's what these boards are for?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 02:07:27 PM
No matter how this works out in the end, how funny is it this whole conversation ended up in the HCAC board? I mean here we are discussing the PAC champion and the NCAC. I will throw this out here just to make sure it stays relevant to the board. No matter who would win TMC or Witt, I am going to say, this year, I don't think the HCAC champ could take em.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 02:08:37 PM
Word
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 24, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
You want to talk about imaginary games? Aren't you still in the playoffs? I mean if Wabash had a legit shot at the final four, you can bet I'd be talking about that and not about TMC...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 02:22:46 PM
That's the whole point, playing the what if game until Saturday at noon when we both get to see live action.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
Since I have yet to use the term "team speed" (damn I just did), I will respond.  I thought that's what these boards are for?

exactly... I guess if we are in the minority then we shouldn't put our opinoins out here?  


Quote from: BashDad on November 24, 2009, 02:00:01 PM
I'll get snippy: This whole "you gotta look behind the scores" thing is hilarious. TMC is a solid team having a GREAT season, but I'd stop using "team speed" as a qualifier in establishing [imaginary] dominance over whomever you choose.

TMC played their freshman alot this year because they jumped out to comfortable but not Witt-esque leads on teams.  Alot of points were scored on the freshman.  I'm glad you think its hilarious, but what I'm saying is if you want to use scores to compare the teams, it doesn't compute here.  Thus another reason not to do it.

I'm sorry you don't like the speed comments, but any of their opponents will use that word to describe TMC

Quote from: BashDad on November 24, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
You want to talk about imaginary games? Aren't you still in the playoffs? I mean if Wabash had a legit shot at the final four, you can bet I'd be talking about that and not about TMC...

We are defending our team to people who said they would finish 3rd in the NCAC...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 24, 2009, 02:07:27 PM
No matter how this works out in the end, how funny is it this whole conversation ended up in the HCAC board? I mean here we are discussing the PAC champion and the NCAC. I will throw this out here just to make sure it stays relevant to the board. No matter who would win TMC or Witt, I am going to say, this year, I don't think the HCAC champ could take em.  ;D

thats one thing we can agree on... in fact, this board is now the PAC/NCAC board because of the 84 points put up in the last two weeks against the Champ of HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 24, 2009, 02:58:57 PM
Ha Ha Ha. The HCAC was one of the worst conferences this year, though our #2 team did beat another team who is still in the playoffs. MSJ happened to be the beneficiary of it this year. With the talent they have returning, next year will be MSJ's year, regardless of how weak the HCAC is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
So you see another 9-1 season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 24, 2009, 03:34:56 PM
Just follow TMC's lead for this year, then next year you too can argue with Wabash and Witt fans about imaginary games on another conference's message board.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 24, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
I'm becoming a fan of this conversation being moved over to the NCAC or PAC board.  I do understand Witt & TMC both beat MSJ but that isn't what this conversation is about. 
SaintsFan, I know you are very proud of your school & their accomplishments thus far, but I think you are tooting your own horn a little.  Just get through the second round and focus on the team at hand.  If your school & Witt somehow meet in the National Championship then release the hounds then.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 24, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
I'm becoming a fan of this conversation being moved over to the NCAC or PAC board.  I do understand Witt & TMC both beat MSJ but that isn't what this conversation is about. 
SaintsFan, I know you are very proud of your school & their accomplishments thus far, but I think you are tooting your own horn a little.  Just get through the second round and focus on the team at hand.  If your school & Witt somehow meet in the National Championship then release the hounds then.


ok, so have it.  Back to your regularly scheduled silence  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 24, 2009, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 24, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
I'm becoming a fan of this conversation being moved over to the NCAC or PAC board.  I do understand Witt & TMC both beat MSJ but that isn't what this conversation is about. 
SaintsFan, I know you are very proud of your school & their accomplishments thus far, but I think you are tooting your own horn a little.  Just get through the second round and focus on the team at hand.  If your school & Witt somehow meet in the National Championship then release the hounds then.


ok, so have it.  Back to your regularly scheduled silence  ;)
Thanks Kev, always a mensch!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
If W&J leaves the PAC for the NCAC, do you see Defiance agreeing to a Home and Home with Thomas More?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 25, 2009, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
So you see another 9-1 season?

Are you saying that MSJ is going to win the Bridge Bowl next year? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 25, 2009, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 25, 2009, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
So you see another 9-1 season?

Are you saying that MSJ is going to win the Bridge Bowl next year? ;D

ha... I think they lose too much defensively to close the gap THAT MUCH on Thomas More.  The blowout win for Thomas More should be felt in the recruiting war in the Cincinnati area this offseason. 

Now that I think about it, I believe the conference will come down to a tiebreaker around Franklin, Defiance and Mount St. Joe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 25, 2009, 09:14:22 AM
Just trying to ease a little tension.

My wife and I would like to wish everone on here a HAPPY THANKSGIVING and hope that everyone that is traveling has a safe trip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 25, 2009, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
If W&J leaves the PAC for the NCAC, do you see Defiance agreeing to a Home and Home with Thomas More?

Not in the foreseeable future.

As I said a couple weeks ago, with the economy as it is, I will bet they will continue to schedule Adrian and Trine as their two non-conference games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 25, 2009, 11:59:06 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
If W&J leaves the PAC for the NCAC, do you see Defiance agreeing to a Home and Home with Thomas More?

I would like to see that but agree with altor. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 25, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
If W&J leaves the PAC for the NCAC, do you see Defiance agreeing to a Home and Home with Thomas More?

only if DC hires a full time special teams coach to focus on PAT's!

would love to see it but likely the easy bus rides of Adrian and Trine win out.  Adrian has a flavor of a rivalry, no real history with Trine except the recent.   they are not too shabby competition wise.  granted the MIAA tends to be on par with the HCAC on "national dominance" but at least they are the top 2 teams in the MIAA vs. playing the bottom dwelers of other conferences.  picking up earlham means we will loose the non conference game against Muskingum which would be the only one i could see them wanting to switch to another team where TMC would be a good fit.  Earlham does not change the historical SOS over Musky (althought Musky finished a lot better in the OAC than they typically do)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 27, 2009, 09:11:43 AM
10-0 next year.

Defensively, MSJ does lose Harbin, but return 7 starters and I believe the HCAC defensive player of the year as well. As I said before, they return 8 offensive starters incuding all the skill positions. MSJ will be a lot better next year than they were this year. In all honesty, the team they will have next year will probably be the best team MSJ has ever had...they definately have the potential to be.

If I'm not mistaken, TMC loses some very key individuals on offense. That's a lot of stats and leadership gone. You'll make the argument that Hilvert played a lot of younger guys at the end of games this year. Ok, so be it, but garbage time doesn't equal 1 year of playing...not even close. How much growing up the newcomers do at TMC will determine if they win next year (PAC and the Bridge Bowl). Next year's game will be decided by 7 points or fewer (a little like the 2003 game was - heck of a game if I might add). Is TMC the favorite, sure, they won last year and this year, plus their defense will always be top-notch while Jim Hilvert is coaching, but I think it will be a vey winable game for MSJ and a very big disspointment if they don't win.


With that said, good luck to TMC this week. I wish I could attend the game and watch a few friends and old coaches in action, but I'm with the inlaws (at which point am I allowed to start calling them outlaws??) in Columbus. Hope they represent the Cincinnati/Northern KY area well tomorrow.

p.s. UC has a very large "trap" game today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 27, 2009, 09:13:06 AM
The big reason for TMC's success is due to our old friend M & L who posted here a while back. He's the DL coach at TMC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 27, 2009, 10:12:18 AM
If you want to listen to the JHU/TMC game tomorrow, I will be on the call with Richard Skinner of The Two Angry Guys:

http://www.d3football.com/audio.php
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 28, 2009, 08:14:13 AM
Gamble is much more funny.

Not to knock on Boise State and the WAC (they did beat a good Oregon team), but watching the game against Nevada last night showed me why the WAC, Mountain West, etc. should not receive automatic bids for BCS bowls. Boise went up quick, but allowed Nevada to make a game of it before ultimately wining 44-33. This is the same Nevada team that God-Awful Notre Dame beat 35-0. Keep in mind Notre Dame's defense has given up 30 or more points in 5 games this year and this just in...still doesn't know how to tackle...AND MICHIGAN BEAT THEM!!! The WAC teams may be able to rise up and play great football against a top-notch team for 1 game every couple years (Boise against Oklahoma and Utah last year against Alabama), but if these teams competed in a BCS conference, even the Big 10 or Big East, they would probably finish in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 28, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
TMC started the game down 21-3. I think it took them awhile to get accustomed to JHU's team speed :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2009, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 28, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
TMC started the game down 21-3. I think it took them awhile to get accustomed to JHU's team speed :)

Tough loss for TMC, losing by a field goal in the last seconds as noted on the front d3fb.com page.  Still, they had a very fine season.  It will be interesting to see how far JHU can go now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 28, 2009, 03:55:49 PM
Team speed! Team speed!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2009, 04:52:45 PM
Absolutely BashDad.  They were Faster than JHU, but JHU was better on this day.  Way to post with class.  Where were you today?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
Jhu played better than TMC today.  Great effort from a physical team.  It won out over the speed of TMC. 

BashDad, way to be classy.  I'd still take the TMC speed advantage over whatever you would root for.  As I said, way to be classy. 

And btw, where we sat in Press Box the speed was evident again, but the strength of JHU up front was the difference maker. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2009, 04:57:39 PM
You too Sayer, the only difference between you and Bashdad is that your team got ran off the field by TMC and Wabash didn't.  You saw them in person and know they were too much for MSJ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 28, 2009, 08:04:22 PM
While you may find it classless, I found your posturing last week to be absurd. Going so far as bending the results of tight games into support of an uber fast squad was too much and while you may take offense when that stuff finds a home in irony, it's nevertheless kind of enjoyable, for someone with relatively no interest in your program, for such pretentions to be shattered.

The truth is, upper level undefeated conference champions DON'T lose to two-loss teams. They don't. The only example I can remember is your PAC brethren at W&J in 2007, in the first round no less.  To me, that's an indictment of your conference and your schedule, never mind the speed in relation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2009, 08:39:10 PM
That's right -- if you're going to lose to a two-loss team in the second round, you had better well lose a regular season game as well, the way Wabash did last year. That somehow makes it better. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 28, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Your point's misguided. Wabash may have been NCAC champs, but they had one hugely revealing (and embarrassing) loss.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
Your point is pretty misguided, too, though, and fairly petty.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on November 28, 2009, 09:21:33 PM
In all fairness, I think no one expected JHU to play as well as they have in the playoffs. Every year there is a two loss team that really straps it on and brings their A+ game to the playoffs. And as much fun as it is to tease the TMC guys, they had a great season, they just gave us an "instant classic" playoff game, and they played about as close as  possible and still lose a game.

In the end, I would say given today's results with Wittenberg and JHU/TMC it really makes MSJ look a lot better than the numbers in those two games might have suggested. Look forward now, and let's all get excited for the next great game. The beauty of d3 football is once your team is out, it doesn't mean you have to stop being a fan of good football. Good luck to Witt next week against UWW and JHU as they take on Wesley. Should be some great games next week around the country!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 28, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
Petty, maybe, though hardly misguided. How many undefeated teams have been ousted from the playoffs by those with multiple losses? And how is the fact that both W&J and TMC are on the list (in a two year span) not an indictment of their conference and schedule? And how is that--the schedule at large--not relevent criteria for debunking something as abstract as "overwhelming team speed?"

These aren't unreasonable questions and certainly should be fair game should someone care to have such a strong reaction to fairly innocuous ribbing, brought on by their own reverbing cries of power.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
NOBODY here associated with Thomas More, including me, said (or even thought) that Thomas More was an upper level team because of one win in the playoffs against a team with two losses.  You assume an awful lot about what I was saying about tmcs speed, but I will chalk it up to frustration.  That's the same frustration I'm feeling after seeing my alma mater, who I played for, get beat by a team who was better than them when it counted most. 

Worst of all is that I was live on air, and couldn't express myself as I wanted out of not wanting to be fined by the FCC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2009, 10:51:22 PM
Well said, Matt.  One more thing, I'm not sure how Thomas More can improve their schedule.  They had John Carroll University on there, thinking they'd be a strong rep of the OAC Conference.  In their only other non conference game, they played an undefeated Mount St Joe team. 

The flip side of the coin is the one-loss W&J team making their run in the 2008 Tournament.  How would that change the indictment?  Maybe the judge should throw out that result?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 28, 2009, 10:56:35 PM
I've read this whole argument and I'm still not sure what it's all about  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2009, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 28, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
Petty, maybe, though hardly misguided. How many undefeated teams have been ousted from the playoffs by those with multiple losses? And how is the fact that both W&J and TMC are on the list (in a two year span) not an indictment of their conference and schedule? And how is that--the schedule at large--not relevent criteria for debunking something as abstract as "overwhelming team speed?"

These aren't unreasonable questions and certainly should be fair game should someone care to have such a strong reaction to fairly innocuous ribbing, brought on by their own reverbing cries of power.

Just seems a little bitter coming from a fan of a frequent champion of a weak conference that also lost at home to a multi-loss team in that same three-season span you cite. I don't think anyone in the know has claimed that the PAC is a high-level conference, right? Same as the NCAC, yes?

Plus, it's even more bitter, coming from a third party and after the fact. Why are you in this discussion?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 29, 2009, 01:21:17 AM
Rather than "bitter," it's humorous when a pair of pugnacious pugilists offer a cage match, rhetorical retrospective on a neutral, board site - and former QBs no less.  ;D  Stir in "the guru's" endothermic catalyst, and this proved far more entertaining than the ESPN/ABC requiem for Irish Charlie, post Farm performance, this evening.

It's the most "action" on the HCAC board since October when DC "screwed the pooch" for another season and stirred up JacketsFan.  ;)

"With the oil of Aphrodite, and the dust of the Grand Wazoo..."
"Who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?"
 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 29, 2009, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 28, 2009, 10:46:04 PM

Worst of all is that I was live on air, and couldn't express myself as I wanted out of not wanting to be fined by the FCC. 

Funny this is why you should never do the live broadcast of your alma mater.  i cant hardly let my boys sit with me at a DC game for the same reason, except the fine from teh Wife is a lot more painful than the FCC!!

was a great game and a great season for TMC.  fact is when you spot a 14pt lead becuse turnovers it does not matter how fast or physical you are when the other team is a good team.  the fact that TMC pulled the comeback off should say something about the program (even though they got killed by a last second FG)

couple questions...how bid are the stones to throw 1 more play with 5 seconds left and how fast can a receiver really run a 4 yd out??  what ever happened to the home field clock SaintsFan?  5 seconds left to run a 10yd pass and they let the clock sit with 1 sec left.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 29, 2009, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 29, 2009, 08:40:49 AM
couple questions...how bid are the stones to throw 1 more play with 5 seconds left and how fast can a receiver really run a 4 yd out??  what ever happened to the home field clock SaintsFan?  5 seconds left to run a 10yd pass and they let the clock sit with 1 sec left.

Huge stones to call that play, but IMO that was why Hopkins led for 59 minutes of the game... they played and coached with nothing to lose.  They had a 4th and 4 late in the 3rd, with TMC surging---- and called for a long pass on a "7 route" and completed it to inside the 5 yard line.  Andrew Kase scored on a run on the next play to go up 28-17. 

I originally thought there wasn't going to be time left on the clock.  I talked to the clock operator after the game and there was no doubt in his mind there was a second left.  I'm glad there wasn't another "When time stood still incident"...

They were a very physical team --- we'll see how they do against Wesley.. I hope they do very well, obviously.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 29, 2009, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Its ok, if they ever played on the field, Witt wouldn't be able to adjust to the speed on both sides of the ball.  This isn't the same team that Witt played previously

For what it's worth, this is the post that invited third party participation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 29, 2009, 05:11:53 PM
That was said because someone came in here saying how Thomas More would be 3rd in the NCAC.  This is a website for fans to support their teams.  I'm not going to let someone say what was said, just as any of you would respond with WHY you would feel they wouldn't finish 3rd in whatever conference.
And I don't back off that statement at all.  The one thing I don't do is compare scores. My opinoin of TMC didn't help them win the game yesterday, it belongs on a fan-based website and I won't aplogize for it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 29, 2009, 04:30:47 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Its ok, if they ever played on the field, Witt wouldn't be able to adjust to the speed on both sides of the ball.  This isn't the same team that Witt played previously

For what it's worth, this is the post that invited third party participation.
Really, you just couldn't let it go could? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 30, 2009, 09:04:41 AM
My post was just a joke regarding the current conversation...I hope the TMC loss didn't ruin your thanksgiving weekend :)

My buddy Josh said the score could have been worse in the 1st half. JHU had a few turnovers themselves that TMC didn't capitalize on.

Regardless, with the Steeler's loss, the Bengals, though playing a terrible game, are 3 games up in the division with 5 game left to play (including games against KC and Detroit).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 30, 2009, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 30, 2009, 09:04:41 AM
My post was just a joke regarding the current conversation...I hope the TMC loss didn't ruin your thanksgiving weekend :)

My buddy Josh said the score could have been worse in the 1st half. JHU had a few turnovers themselves that TMC didn't capitalize on.

Regardless, with the Steeler's loss, the Bengals, though playing a terrible game, are 3 games up in the division with 5 game left to play (including games against KC and Detroit).

Josh is right.  And I'm wondering if the Bengals have enough offense to make a run in January.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 30, 2009, 11:16:24 AM
I wonder if the recent struggles on offense arn't the results of the NFL figuring out Bob Bratkowski's tendencies, then he not making necessary changes at halftime.

Last 4 games:

Against Baltimore, went up 17-0 in the first 3 possessions and didn't score another point.

Didn't score an offensive TD against Pittsburgh, though had chances.

Went up 14-0 against Oakland in the 1st 3 possessions and only scored 3 more points the rest of the game.

Only scored 3 points in the 2nd half against Cleveland.

The Bengals offense has put up over 20 points only 4 times all year.

The OC needs to get it going or get going.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 30, 2009, 02:59:41 PM
Here's my prediction, the Lions will win out and with some crazy fluke the Lions will get in the playoffs with a 7-9 record.  Then they will keep rolling through the playoffs to make it to the super bowl against the Chargers and Stafford will throw for 500 yards with 5 TD's all to Calvin Johnson to win the game 35-2 (Stafford took a safety because he felt bad).  Finally, I will wake up from whatever drug I so happended took to dream of this actually happening.

On a real note, I hope Tampa, St. Louise and Cleveland can win a few so the Lions can have another top pick.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 01, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
The Lions are a decent offensive line away from being a very good offense. They have the QB and one of the most underrated WR in the league, simply because he plays in Detroit. If they get another top 5 pick, they need to focus on the O-linemen. You wouldn't need a great RB. The threat of Calvin Johnson down the field and Stafford's arm strength will keep the defensive backfield occupied and allow an average back to rush for 1,000.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on December 01, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
In many ways you could say the same about the Bears. Jay Cutler can certainly throw it, but he forces things too much because of an awful o-line which can't open holes for the run game. Forte can play, but they need someone to block for him, and Olsen, Hester, and Knox are coming along really well as a receiving corps. I think, from HS to the NFL the hardest thing to put together is a really solid o-line. At the D3 level, it can almost guarentee championships, and in the NFL it can pretty much ruin your offense (bears and lions). I totally agree, for the first time in my lifetime, the NFL is putting a premium on o-linemen and I love it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 01, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
Sayer, I agree, plus the Lions already have a running back with 1,000+yard potential.  They had an opportunity to get LT witht he 20th pick but took a TE.  At least they will have a top 5 pick again and hopefully they spend it on a DT or OL. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OU#25 on December 01, 2009, 03:10:24 PM
Can you talk Barry Sanders out of retirement?  He still has fresh legs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 02, 2009, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 01, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
Sayer, I agree, plus the Lions already have a running back with 1,000+yard potential.  They had an opportunity to get LT witht he 20th pick but took a TE.  At least they will have a top 5 pick again and hopefully they spend it on a DT or OL. 

hasbeen haven't the 2 of us had this same conversation since I took you in on your recruiting trip to DC?  Always one spot away and shooting for the top draft pick :)

now if millen would have used some of those picks on some big boys like Cincy did maybe you could be playing for home field like we are!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2009, 10:06:58 AM
I think most draft analysts now say you DON'T want the 1st pick of the draft because you overpay and if he's a bust --- you're ef'ed for like 4 or 10 years or some chit. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 02, 2009, 12:20:20 PM
That seems to be the new philosphy but when it comes to lineman, there's a little more room for error unlike QB or HB. If an OL ends up being average, he can still do well in the NFL because he's able to rely on the person next to him for help. A good example is the New York Giants. They don't have 1 linemen who was a first day pick, yet they have one of the better O-lines in the NFL. There have also been very few busts regarding linemen taken in the first round in recent years. That being said, I think taking a linemen #1 overall is a good idea if one is available who could be taken that early (i.e. the kid from Baylor last year). In terms of money, they don't make as much anyway as the QB, HB, or WR.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 02, 2009, 02:37:49 PM
For good points by all of you.  In regards to last year, I really don't think the Detroit had a choice on who to take for the #1 pick.  They could have went safe with Curry or either of the top 3 OL in the draft but they needed a QB more than anything.  Stafford will be a good QB in Detroit but will be even better if the do start addressing the OL in this years draft. 
I love it that I'm already talking draft for Detroit while other people get to talk about home field advantage for the playoffs.  What a job Marvin Lewis has done in Cincy with all of the distractions and injuries from the past few years.  Cincy has proven over and over again they are top tier team in the NFL. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 03, 2009, 09:17:26 AM
Stafford was a good pick and is playing better than most would expect considering what he has to work with around him.  Dirty has similar stats and the Jets are playoff capable on both sides of the ball with good QB play.

Lions fans should be pumped for the draft seeing as Matt Millin is broadcasting games now vs. evaluating talent
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on December 03, 2009, 10:43:34 AM
So, how can my Browns draft in order to get out of the hole they are in?  It seems like they draft a quarterback every other year, and it does no good.  I'm tired of them constantly trying to find a leader at that position when it is clear that nobody can lead a team while they are lying on their back 3 out of every 4 plays.

Watching them on Monday night a couple weeks ago was painful.  Jaworski kept saying, "They need to take shots down the field."  I wanted to just scream back, "You were a quarterback.  Can you not see that he's getting hit before he can plant his foot on a three step drop?"

Cleveland has had a revolving door of coaches and quarterbacks since they came back in 1999.  But, I'm not convinced that's been their problem.  They drafted Joe Thomas a couple years ago, but he has no support on the line.  They've made the playoffs once since 1999 and missed the playoffs a couple years ago despite a 10-6 record.

Is there anybody out there that can bring the Browns at least back to the winning ways of the 80s?  Those teams couldn't win championships, but at least they were playing football.  I can't even call the 2009 version of the Cleveland Browns a football team without vomiting a little in my mouth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 03, 2009, 11:42:25 AM
Eric Steinbach wasn't a bad lineman when he was in Cincinnati, I don't know if he's had any injury problems. His success here could have also been a result of playing with a healthy Levi Jones and Willi Anderson.

I don't really see why there is such a gripe about drafting a great QB. In the Super Bowl's played this decade (2000-2009), there have been 7-8 Super Bowl teams (almost half) who either had an average QB, or had an average QB who played well for a season.

Baltimore Ravens (Trent Dilfer), 2001
New York Giants (Kerry Collins), 2001 - you could argue Kerry Collins is better than average. He has had some success at various points in his career.
Tampa Bay (Brad Johnson), 2003
Carolina (Jake Delhomme), 2004
Pittsburgh (Big Ben), 2006 - At this point in his career I don't think you would have called him a great QB.
Seattle (Matt Hasselback), 2006
Chicago (Rex Grossman), 2007 - I wouldn't even call Rex an average QB
***I'd put last year's Steeler's team too because I think in any other system, Big Ben wouldn't be that good.

The key, just like it has been for decades, is a great front on both sides of the ball. I'd be more concerned as an executive about drafting defensive players, lineman, and RB's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 03, 2009, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 03, 2009, 11:42:25 AM
Eric Steinbach wasn't a bad lineman when he was in Cincinnati, I don't know if he's had any injury problems. His success here could have also been a result of playing with a healthy Levi Jones and Willi Anderson.

I don't really see why there is such a gripe about drafting a great QB. In the Super Bowl's played this decade (2000-2009), there have been 7-8 Super Bowl teams (almost half) who either had an average QB, or had an average QB who played well for a season.

Baltimore Ravens (Trent Dilfer), 2001
New York Giants (Kerry Collins), 2001 - you could argue Kerry Collins is better than average. He has had some success at various points in his career.
[b]Tampa Bay[/b] (Brad Johnson), 2003 I would not think Brad Johnson is average based on his stats.
Carolina (Jake Delhomme), 2004 At the time he wasn't average either.
Pittsburgh (Big Ben), 2006 - At this point in his career I don't think you would have called him a great QB.
[b]Seattle[/b] (Matt Hasselback), 2006 are you kidding me???
Chicago (Rex Grossman), 2007 - I wouldn't even call Rex an average QB
***I'd put last year's Steeler's team too because I think in any other system, Big Ben wouldn't be that good.
I think he is one of the most underrated QB's out there.
The key, just like it has been for decades, is a great front on both sides of the ball. I'd be more concerned as an executive about drafting defensive players, lineman, and RB's.

altor, I don't want to hear it.  At least you had a decade to be proud of.  Yeah the Lions have had some decent years in my 30 years of life but to have only 1 playoff win since the Super Bowl era is aweful!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 04, 2009, 01:04:32 PM
You saying Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, and Matt Hasselbeck are not average? They are as plain as white rice. Both of whom have done hardly a thing since going to the Super Bowl or before the Super Bowl.

Hasselbeck has had a QB rating over 90 only twice in 9 years as a starter (98.2 being his high and just so happens to be the Super Bowl year). His career QB rating is 84...average.

Jake Delhomme best QB rating in a complete 16-game season is 88.1 and has a career QB rating of 82.

Brad Johnson...he didn't do much of anything his whole career.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 05, 2009, 04:11:18 PM
UC with a big win in arguably the best college football game of the year. It would be nice if Texas lost because UC should leapfrog TCU, but what I'm hoping for is the following:

Texas beats Nebraska in multiple overtimes and Florida and Alabama play multiple OT's with one winning on a 2-pt conversion. If that is the case, I think the BCS championship might be a SEC rematch. The entire nation would be as mad as one of Michael Vick's pitbulls. Anything to cause chaos within the BCS.

Since my scenario wont happen, a playoff would be the following:

1. Florida/Alabama
8. Ohio State

4. TCU (assuming TCU and UC flip)
5. Boise State

3. Cincinnati
6. Florida/Alabama

2. Texas
7. Oregon

I know that wouldn't happen either, but it would be nice. Keep some 6-6 teams who don't deserve a Bowl out of the bowl season. Since the Rose Bowl insists on having a Big 10 and a Pac 10 team, give them the best available and rotate the Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange Bowls as the Semi's and championship game. Oh wait...I was having a dream.......
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 07, 2009, 08:54:17 AM
funny thing is that seeding nailed the bcs line up just swap OSU out of the ship...and stop after rd1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 12:36:07 PM
Brian Kelly is meeting today with ND officials. At the same time he is in discussions with UC regarding a contract extension. When asked if he would be coaching UC in the Sugar Bowl, he responded, "I can't guarantee anything." Notre Dame is like the Yankees. They think they can buy success. The problem is ND hasn't won sh!t in 22 years...how can alums, boosters, etc. let the school keep spending money to lose...just so they can get the next great coach??? Don't worry, Kelly will turn it around...just like the last 3 have.


Know what...just go. Get your greedy, money-hungry a$$ out of Cincinnati. As good of a coach as Brian Kelly is, he's not bigger than the program.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 08, 2009, 12:51:52 PM
If Kelly can land the job in South Bend why wouldn't he leave?  Based upon that schools history and for being a football school, why not?  DI BCS is a buisness for these coaches.  It is like getting a offer to teach at a better school with more money and support all around.  I'm not trying to say Cincy is a bad school but when you start comparing facilities, recruiting, salary, nationally televised games and so on, ND has the upper hand.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 08, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
He IS bigger than the program... thats why everyone is up in arms about Kelly.  Here's what I've heard... I know a few close to the UC Program...

*Kelly is technically in talks about an extension... he's basically seeing what UC is willing to do.  He did this AFTER his agent found out that ND was offering $4.8M +Heavy incentives.  

*ND is his DREAM job --- grew up in Catholic neighborhood, went to Catholic Schools and that includes college.  He still attends mass*

*He WANTS the Notre Dame job... he's not on record of this but its common knowledge.

*One snafu is how does he still get his wife the best medical treatment (she's very sick with cancer)... they have doctors they love in Cincy.   Does she give her blessing (sounds like she has already)

*He is up there to convince ND that he's the charismatic choice for them.  If he does this, it will be announced officially by Friday.


now... I'm as big a ND blowhard as there is.  ND doesn't think they can buy success.  If they did, they would've continued after the top guys on their original list --- Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer and John Gruden.  They have TO PAY a coach like Kelly to take the job because his career could be over after its all said and done.  Its a chance they are taking and coaches need to be compensated to take the risk.  I understand the hate for ND, but I think they will be "back" fairly soon with Kelly.  Now, "back" is defined as what?  I don't think they can compete year in and year out in the top 10. . . but they can be up there every 3 years or so.  


The last coach they had didn't have any college experience and never found a defensive coordinator.  As long as Kelly gets a DC, he'll have them play very hard and have them very well prepared... none of this comeback crap that made it lucky for ND to be 6-6 in 2009.

One more snag... back up Dayne Crist, I'm hearing that he's leaving school... meaning Kelly will need to tutor a QB right away and get him game ready.  Crist was already a question mark because he tore his ACL against Washington St.  


Should be an interesting few days.  If UC loses Kelly, they better hope he's not taking Combs with him... the guy is truly responsible for getting the Cincy area kids to stay.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 08, 2009, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 08, 2009, 12:51:52 PM
If Kelly can land the job in South Bend why wouldn't he leave?  Based upon that schools history and for being a football school, why not?  DI BCS is a buisness for these coaches.  It is like getting a offer to teach at a better school with more money and support all around.  I'm not trying to say Cincy is a bad school but when you start comparing facilities, recruiting, salary, nationally televised games and so on, ND has the upper hand.

All he has to do is coach football in South Bend... unlike at UC where he's still trying to get people in the stadium.  ND has been sold out of their 80,000+ stadium since it was refurbished in 1997.  And long before that, when the capacity was 59,000+. 

One more thing that doesnt seem like a big deal but is in the grand scheme of things ---- BK was not on the radio shows last night (Mo Egger and Lance Mcalister).  That is weird that he wouldn't take time to call in (even from NYC) to try and sell tix by being on the shows he's on weekly. 

If he truly had Cincy on his mind, he'd have been on the radio with these two knuckleheads.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 08:59:44 PM
He's not bigger than the program. He's been here 3 years, had a lot of success, but ultimately will be gone and the program will keep on keeping on. It may take awhile for them to become a BCS team again, but it will happen. Now if Kelly had been here for 10+ years, won a few Nat'l Championships (or at the bare minimum made a few Championship games), built new facilities and refurbished the stadium...then he would be bigger than the program. Last time I checked, ain't nothin been built yet and he aint been to no championship games.

To be honest, I think Florida, Kelly coaching or not, will wipe the floor with UC. I'm talking a 20-30 point victory. 38 - 17 is my prediction.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 09:10:45 PM
Notre Dame has to try to buy success. No one will go there for "prestige" anymore. They have a wonderful tradition, but kids now don't give a sh!t about what happened before they were born or when their parent's were kids. The Catholic population and the sense of Catholic pride that was very prevalent in the 60's through the mid-80's has been in sharp decline. ND used to be able to recruit on that alone...simply because they were a Catholic Institution that won (Kind of like Catholics vs The World - aka Protestants). Kids and families don't have the sense of belonging anymore. You have ND fans, but kids ant to go were teams win and have success. Not to mention the pool in which ND has to choose players is almost half of Ohio State, Florida, Texas, or even UC's because of academics. For all these reasons, ND has no choice but to try to buy success with the "Next Great Coach." They need someone who can win with less. In 5 years, when BK is on the hot seat, I'll try not to say I told you so. In regards to Charlie...I told you so.

Someone on a blog stated Brian Kelly will be able to steal recruits away from midwest schools like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. The answer to that is GET REAL. Of the athletes those schools recuit, maybe 60% could academically get into ND...probably a lot less. He won't be stealing any recruits from anywhere.

Personally, if UC offers him approx 2-3 million, plus guarentees all the stuff will be built, I think he stays...dream job or not. I think he's smart engh to realize he has a shot at a BCS game every year at UC...a scenario that isn't the case at ND.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 09:20:46 PM
Now on to Michigan...now that Harbaugh has shown he would leave Stanford if the price/situation is right, I think he will be the next coach at Michigan (he is a "Michigan Man"). Rich Rod will get next year...if they do not get into a major bowl game, I think he will be gone in favor of Harbaugh...if he has not moved on some place else. If he has, it will be someone else (maybe Les Miles who I believe is also from Michigan). In order for Rodriguez to keep his job, Michigan will have to be 8-4 or better and the game the 3rd week of November will decide that. Even if Michigan finishes 8-4 but loses to Ohio State, I think he will be gone. Ohio State should be favored to win the Big 10 again next year (they only lose 4-5 starters from this year's team) and will probably be a preseason top 5 team - this time it should be a legit ranking unlike this year when they should have started out in the 12-15 area.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on December 09, 2009, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 09:20:46 PMIn order for Rodriguez to keep his job, Michigan will have to be 8-4 or better and the game the 3rd week of November will decide that.

Why would it matter if they beat Wisconsin or not?   :P

Sorry to be pedantic.  The Big 10 added an extra idle week for everybody starting next year.  Michigan will be in Columbus on Thanksgiving weekend in 2010.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: altor on December 09, 2009, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 09:20:46 PMIn order for Rodriguez to keep his job, Michigan will have to be 8-4 or better and the game the 3rd week of November will decide that.

Why would it matter if they beat Wisconsin or not?   :P

Sorry to be pedantic.  The Big 10 added an extra idle week for everybody starting next year.  Michigan will be in Columbus on Thanksgiving weekend in 2010.

That will be strange.  It was nice to see the Big Ten out of the way this year ---- since they didn't really have any impact on the National Title race.  One thought on Iowa.  I was really rooting for them to beat The Luckeyes.  Ken O'Keefe (OC) is buddies with Dean Paul... and I always root for Iowa --- despite them looking like the Steelers with their uniforms.

I think its going to be a great game between Iowa and Ga Tech.  Two well coached teams.  One thing is for sure, this is the only BCS game the Big 10 can win.  Rose Bowl is going to be an Oregon track meet... and Ohio State (or ANY of the Midwest teams) can't keep up.  They play so fast at Oregon under Chip Kelley. 

Sorry OSU boys ---  if Oregon can put 47 on the board against USC, they are going to do the same to Ohio State and "Tressel ball" won't produce 40 points.  OSU has the athletes on offense to score in the 40s but the leash is too tight.  They will be calling for Jimmy's head after this one.

**Charlie Weis just needs to shut up.  Like my friend and coworker David Good said on Bachelorette this past season .... "Man code".   You don't tattle on someone else like that, as a man. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 09:10:45 PM


Someone on a blog stated Brian Kelly will be able to steal recruits away from midwest schools like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. The answer to that is GET REAL. Of the athletes those schools recuit, maybe 60% could academically get into ND...probably a lot less. He won't be stealing any recruits from anywhere.

Personally, if UC offers him approx 2-3 million, plus guarentees all the stuff will be built, I think he stays...dream job or not. I think he's smart engh to realize he has a shot at a BCS game every year at UC...a scenario that isn't the case at ND.

They are going to give BK or whoever is the new coach is more exemptions to get the athletes into school, just as they did under Lou Holtz.  The number of exemptions was up for negotiation but this is a done deal.  ND is tired of losing.  BK or whoever  coaches won't just be able to recruit in the Midwest, it will be a National Recruiting effort.  UC isn't going to give the job to Kerry Combs, he'll be going with BK (if he goes) and the pipeline to ND from Cincy will continue.  The Moeller QB, Elder TE and others already committed to ND say they are committed to the school and not Chuck Weis.  


Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 08, 2009, 08:59:44 PM
To be honest, I think Florida, Kelly coaching or not, will wipe the floor with UC. I'm talking a 20-30 point victory. 38 - 17 is my prediction.

This is the only part of your posts that I agree with
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 09:11:08 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-09-notre-dame-football-dec09,0,4398093.story


BK wants to talk to his team,  nothing will be announced before the Banquet on Thursday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 09, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
Seems like majority of the bloggers think he will fail too because of the academic requirements to get into ND.

Has ND came out publicly and stated they were going to relax the academic standards? Or did a little birdie tell you this. There might be some ND officials who would like the requirements to be lowered, but I don't think it will happen. I don't see ND, as a whole, compromising the academic integrity of the entire school just for the football team. Not even a couple tenths off the GPA.

I'm not a ND fan, but once upon a time, the Midwest (Notre Dame and the Big 10) was the mecca of college football. Not anymore. It would be nice to earn back that reputation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 09, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155

This is how TMC does it :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 09, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155

This is how TMC does it :)

no... thats how we started it... .now we just kick ass in the rivalry games and conference.  I got your Xmas Present stored in a YMCA locker in Downtown.  The locker number is 2009 and the combination for the padlock is 4217.  You'll like it.   ;)


Seriously though, TMC doesn't need to do this.  The recruits in Cincy know... they have friends/ exteammates at TMC. 

This won't help TMC get in the HCAC:

Sister Stallmeyer (President of TMC) wants a "national title" in football and has committed the resources to doing so.  There's also a new committee being formed (a buddy of mine is on it) and there was a meeting this past Tuesday with this stated goal in mind, to get the wheels rolling.  Its going to be an exciting time for TMC fans and alumni.  Although, winning a national title isn't as easy as just putting resources to it...  BUT, if Hilvert continues kicking everyone's A55 in Cincy on the recruiting trail.  Look for TMC to add a couple game-ready kids from Elder and Anderson for 2010.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 09, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
Seems like majority of the bloggers think he will fail too because of the academic requirements to get into ND.

Has ND came out publicly and stated they were going to relax the academic standards? Or did a little birdie tell you this. There might be some ND officials who would like the requirements to be lowered, but I don't think it will happen. I don't see ND, as a whole, compromising the academic integrity of the entire school just for the football team. Not even a couple tenths off the GPA.

I'm not a ND fan, but once upon a time, the Midwest (Notre Dame and the Big 10) was the mecca of college football. Not anymore. It would be nice to earn back that reputation.

a little birdie told me this.  it won't be announced.

and I agree... if they weren't going to change the admissions standards, then they should just keep Weis and play ALL the service academies and hope for 7-5.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 09, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
i saw, i think on ESPN, that Kerry Coombs would likely be the coach for the Sugar Bowl if BK leaves.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 09, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 09, 2009, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 09, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4727155

This is how TMC does it :)

no... thats how we started it... .now we just kick ass in the rivalry games and conference.  I got your Xmas Present stored in a YMCA locker in Downtown.  The locker number is 2009 and the combination for the padlock is 4217.  You'll like it.   ;)


Seriously though, TMC doesn't need to do this.  The recruits in Cincy know... they have friends/ exteammates at TMC. 

This won't help TMC get in the HCAC:

Sister Stallmeyer (President of TMC) wants a "national title" in football and has committed the resources to doing so.  There's also a new committee being formed (a buddy of mine is on it) and there was a meeting this past Tuesday with this stated goal in mind, to get the wheels rolling.  Its going to be an exciting time for TMC fans and alumni.  Although, winning a national title isn't as easy as just putting resources to it...  BUT, if Hilvert continues kicking everyone's A55 in Cincy on the recruiting trail.  Look for TMC to add a couple game-ready kids from Elder and Anderson for 2010.

NCAA investigated DC for this same purpose but it quickly ended when the report said using 300lbs women as hostesses was punishment enough and no further action is required. 

Locker comment...classic

Having Admin publically stating i want a Nationwil Championship is a serious advantage in getting players to come.  i have always said being good starts with an admin who wants you to be good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2009, 11:21:47 AM
I guess we will see. Does my present come with a giant trophy???

As far as Kiffin is concerned, I think this happens a lot. A coach who came to Deer Park when I was in HS brought a cheerleader and a general student (also a girl) with him. He spoke to us about football for about 30 minutes, excused himself to see other recruits in the area and left the 2 girls to tell us about campus life and answer questions we had. I forget the name of the school but I want to say they were from Tennessee (odd coincidence). The problem with Lane Kiffin is he's already been caught for 5-6 minor NCAA violations and as a result, the NCAA is on him like stink on sh!t.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2009, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2009, 11:21:47 AM
I guess we will see. Does my present come with a giant trophy???

As far as Kiffin is concerned, I think this happens a lot. A coach who came to Deer Park when I was in HS brought a cheerleader and a general student (also a girl) with him. He spoke to us about football for about 30 minutes, excused himself to see other recruits in the area and left the 2 girls to tell us about campus life and answer questions we had. I forget the name of the school but I want to say they were from Tennessee (odd coincidence). The problem with Lane Kiffin is he's already been caught for 5-6 minor NCAA violations and as a result, the NCAA is on him like stink on sh!t.

It does... but I don't think you'll be seeing that for awhile
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 11, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that. ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 11, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that. ???

Bowl games are for the fans... its an exhibition game.  The season is over at UC and everywhere else.  Outside of the BCS Title game and Rose Bowl, they are as close to meaningless as they can be.  The schools get money and the fans get to travel. 

But I agree... they need a moratorium on coaching changes until a certain date.  But I doubt that happens.


Sayer... I hear Skip Holtz is available for UC..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Paul Daughtery talk about that in his column today. I think if ever a date is set, it would be Jan 1, the following year. Though there are Bowl Games on/after January 1, forcing a coach to stick it out with a team for that long would most likely keep them around for the Bowl Game and also delay HC hires/announcements. How much recruiting do you lose the month of December anyway? Kids are at home or participating in another sport.

The paper also said Kelly owed UC $1 million...do you think that check will appear in an envelope with a Blue and Gold ND on it :)

The bad part for UC is they have to start over. A lot of the coaches on Kelly's staff have been with him for a long time and will leave with him to ND including Kerry Coombs (though he hasn't been with Kelly for very long). As soon as Quinn finishes the Sugar Bowl, he'll be on a Jet to South Bend.

Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.

Kelly is leaving UC because ND is his dream job.  Irish Catholic guy from Northeast who used to come home from Church on Sundays to listen to the ND highlights on the radio/TV.  The money definitely increased but not as much as you'd think... He only increased to around $3M per year.  He could've gotten $5M. 

Boise St's coach is a good candidate but like you I don't think its a huge step up to UC.  Boise St simply has to go undefeated and they will be in the BCS.  With their schedule, thats probably going to be every 2 out of 3 years.  Kevin Sumlin from Houston, Skip Holtz from ECU, and Butch Jones from CMU are the top choices... unless a wild card like Tommy Tubberville is interested. 

My people are saying that if Quinn doesn't get the UC job --- they are all gone.  Kelly is going to hit Cincy up pretty hard for the Irish... and with exceptions to the academic guidelines, he'll get some speedy defenders up in South Bend.  Or am I not allowed to talk about how important speed is on post patterns?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 11, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that. ???
Quote from: SF can "outbench" Ty on December 11, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 11, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4732205

Well, it's official, Kelly is in at ND for five years.   I just wish coaches would finish out the year before they go to their new school.  It is very stupid IMO that coaches don't coach the bowl game if their team gets to go to one.  I've never understood that. ???

Bowl games are for the fans... its an exhibition game.  The season is over at UC and everywhere else.  Outside of the BCS Title game and Rose Bowl, they are as close to meaningless as they can be.  The schools get money and the fans get to travel.  

But I agree... they need a moratorium on coaching changes until a certain date.  But I doubt that happens.


Sayer... I hear Skip Holtz is available for UC..
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Paul Daughtery talk about that in his column today. I think if ever a date is set, it would be Jan 1, the following year. Though there are Bowl Games on/after January 1, forcing a coach to stick it out with a team for that long would most likely keep them around for the Bowl Game and also delay HC hires/announcements. How much recruiting do you lose the month of December anyway? Kids are at home or participating in another sport.

The paper also said Kelly owed UC $1 million...do you think that check will appear in an envelope with a Blue and Gold ND on it :)

The bad part for UC is they have to start over. A lot of the coaches on Kelly's staff have been with him for a long time and will leave with him to ND including Kerry Coombs (though he hasn't been with Kelly for very long). As soon as Quinn finishes the Sugar Bowl, he'll be on a Jet to South Bend.

Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.
Quote from: SF can "outbench" Ty on December 11, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Skip Holtz wouldn't be bad...but I'd rather have the Boise State coach (enquirer mentioned him today). I don't think he would leave because I don't think UC is a huge step up from Boise State. But, we all know, if the money is right anyone will leave.

Kelly is leaving UC because ND is his dream job.  Irish Catholic guy from Northeast who used to come home from Church on Sundays to listen to the ND highlights on the radio/TV.  The money definitely increased but not as much as you'd think... He only increased to around $3M per year.  He could've gotten $5M.  

Boise St's coach is a good candidate but like you I don't think its a huge step up to UC.  Boise St simply has to go undefeated and they will be in the BCS.  With their schedule, thats probably going to be every 2 out of 3 years.  Kevin Sumlin from Houston, Skip Holtz from ECU, and Butch Jones from CMU are the top choices... unless a wild card like Tommy Tubberville is interested.  

My people are saying that if Quinn doesn't get the UC job --- they are all gone.  Kelly is going to hit Cincy up pretty hard for the Irish... and with exceptions to the academic guidelines, he'll get some speedy defenders up in South Bend.  Or am I not allowed to talk about how important speed is on post patterns?

Sorry guys, but I'm with dc_has_been on this one.  Granted DI football is a business in this era, however, that really doesn't matter, nor does it that the ND job for Kelly is his dream job (or any coaching job elsewhere for someone else), or that the bowl games are for the fans.  What really matters, if we're all honest with ourselves and look into the mirror is..."the priniciple of the thing".  At least for me, the way I was brought up is that, you gave someone your word, you follow through to the end.  IMO, Kelly or any coach has the obligation to his players to coach them in the bowl game (unless the Cincinatti administration didn't want him to or ND gave him an ultimatum - those are different situations and if the latter one did happen, then shame on them for not allowing him to start immediately after that).  It was obvious that many UC players felt hurt that he wasn't, even though they knew he was gone regardless when the announcement or decision was made or to be made.

Moreover, I don't buy that in coaching a bowl game it delays in hiring staff or recruiting to any great degree (I know it doesn't because I know many people who know this and/or are have been involved in such situations).  You might lose a player or coach or two, however, most players know deep down where they want to go and unless they're committed to the particular head coach who recruited them - admittedly some are - there are obviously many others who do otherwise as evidenced by some of the current highly recruited ND recruits comming in as they said their main reason for choosing ND was because they "committed to the school and not Coach Weis" i.e. the school and both academic and athletic programs there is what they wanted/were looking for.  Besides, and this is as equally important and true, a tremendous number of assistant coaches at all levels, including DI, get their jobs at the upcoming annual January NCAA meetings - at least get offers and/or selected for interviews - that happens every year without question.

So, while I don't blame Kelly if the ND job was his ultimate goal (although I don't recall him ever saying that when he was thinking about leaving CMU and wanted either the Michigan State job or the Iowa State job - the latter of which he pulled out of consideration), I am extremely disappointed in the way he handled it.  In addition, while I think Michigan State perhaps should have selected him instead of Dantonio (although Dantonio is a good coach, had a prev MSU coaching stint, and the Big Ten at Ohio State of course and that he did well at Cincinnati) do you honestly think that Kelly might have left Michigan State for the ND job, assuming he did as well at Michigan State as he did at Cincinnati?  I question that, although perhaps he would, for the reasons you guys have said.  Regardless, I have lost some respect for Kelly in how he went about this.  That has been the "rap" on him for sometime now, since he started thinking about leaving CMU (and having left Grand Valley State - although being a DI head coach was always his dream it appears).  I now place him in the "Nick Saben" category - a nomad.  In addition and besides, the other factor is...how much $ do you really need?  In that regard, it doesn't matter if he only got a little more than he was making at Cincinnati nor does it matter whether he would have been given the 5M as you suggest that might have commanded or be given regardless of where it was.  Anyway, "it reverts back to the mirror thing" as I alluded to above.  Then again, I guess that everyone has their own aspirations and makes their own choices.  ;D Just MO. ;)  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 11, 2009, 03:52:10 PM
FelterSnatch, hilarious with the speed comment :D! 

formerd3db, once again well said and agree more with what you said than what I stated earlier. 

+1 for both of you!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 04:49:36 PM
dc_has_been:
Thanks kind friend.  It sure will be interesting to see how all these other coaching changes (including assistant positions) turn out at the various schools that are in the process.  It is my understanding as of yesterday that Youngstown State has not yet selected their next head coach (although I haven't actually checked on that today).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2009, 09:58:54 PM
Tommy Tuberville, if interested would be the lead candidate. An undefeated season playing in the SEC and a Nat'l Championship (though the BCS didn't acknowledge it nor did he get the Sear's trophy). Good enough cred for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 11, 2009, 09:58:54 PM
Tommy Tuberville, if interested would be the lead candidate. An undefeated season playing in the SEC and a Nat'l Championship (though the BCS didn't acknowledge it nor did he get the Sear's trophy). Good enough cred for me.

A valid point there Sayer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 12, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
go after Larry Kehres.  not only is he a stickler for detail like Brian Kelly was, but it will give the rest of D3 a chance :)

leading candidate is guy from Houston.  Guy from Boise State is not high on the list becuase he has been out there for a long time so his recruiting ties in the midwest are minimal and it would not be that big of a move up for him.

guy from Houston has several intangiables that fit well here, Offense minded and creative was the OC for Oklahoma before becoming the HC at Houston, strong recruiting ties to Texas and Oklahoma (was at A&M before OK), reputation as a monster recruiter, is a minority which i think can provide an advanatage in recruiting as well. 

unless the assistants want to seperate themselves from BK to make their own name they will be out...ND will give them a 3x salary increase too if not more.  i know 10yrs ago they paid 60k for a LB coach.  Front Butt Chuck's assistants got a 1M buyout when they fired them.  i am loyal to my family first, someone offers me that for the same job i am out like a fat kid in dodgeball!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 13, 2009, 12:23:43 AM
Did anyone else catch the ESPN 30-30 special on The U tonight? It was an interesting piece. The Canes had some bad dudes back in the 80s and they let you know about it ... those guys brought some bad intentions to the ballpark ... wow. Man, they ran wild in south Florida and got away with whatever the heck they wanted.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2009, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on December 13, 2009, 12:23:43 AM
Did anyone else catch the ESPN 30-30 special on The U tonight? It was an interesting piece. The Canes had some bad dudes back in the 80s and they let you know about it ... those guys brought some bad intentions to the ballpark ... wow. Man, they ran wild in south Florida and got away with whatever the heck they wanted.

I did watch the program too, and I have to agree with you.  Very interesting and while Schnellenberger and some of the others saved the program, still it is sad to see that some of those players "still don't get it" - they've not grown up nor matured.  IMO, while they were undoubtedly very talented players, as well as the fact that they were given the opportunity to get a free education given that many of them came from some very poor/problematic backgrounds and family situations, some of them still have a somewhat warped sense of thinking/philosophy, which is sad.  One particular statement from one of the players that really stood out was the blatent disregard for the rules.  I'm sorry, but, rules are rules, whether you like them or not and they knew what those were.  If you accept the opportunity to play in the system, you abide by the rules - doesn't mean you can't formulate a way to "protest" and/or try to eventually change the system, but blatent disregard for the rules is, IMO, simply not acceptable or justified - "the ends do not justify the means" as that old saying goes.  :P ;)  As we all know, if everyone did that, the result is not good (can you say anarchy ::)  Also, you could certainly see the bias in some of the opinions, yet that is the way life is.  The other aspect - which again, is just my own opinion - is that some of the coaches were, shall we say, somewhat lax in overseeing the behavior of their players.  Nonetheless, it was a good piece I thought, in documenting the historical aspect of the "revival" of the program.

Other opinions, anyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 13, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 13, 2009, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on December 13, 2009, 12:23:43 AM
Did anyone else catch the ESPN 30-30 special on The U tonight? It was an interesting piece. The Canes had some bad dudes back in the 80s and they let you know about it ... those guys brought some bad intentions to the ballpark ... wow. Man, they ran wild in south Florida and got away with whatever the heck they wanted.

I did watch the program too, and I have to agree with you.  Very interesting and while Schnellenberger and some of the others saved the program, still it is sad to see that some of those players "still don't get it" - they've not grown up nor matured.  IMO, while they were undoubtedly very talented players, as well as the fact that they were given the opportunity to get a free education given that many of them came from some very poor/problematic backgrounds and family situations, some of them still have a somewhat warped sense of thinking/philosophy, which is sad.  One particular statement from one of the players that really stood out was the blatent disregard for the rules.  I'm sorry, but, rules are rules, whether you like them or not and they knew what those were.  If you accept the opportunity to play in the system, you abide by the rules - doesn't mean you can't formulate a way to "protest" and/or try to eventually change the system, but blatent disregard for the rules is, IMO, simply not acceptable or justified - "the ends do not justify the means" as that old saying goes.  :P ;)  As we all know, if everyone did that, the result is not good (can you say anarchy ::)  Also, you could certainly see the bias in some of the opinions, yet that is the way life is.  The other aspect - which again, is just my own opinion - is that some of the coaches were, shall we say, somewhat lax in overseeing the behavior of their players.  Nonetheless, it was a good piece I thought, in documenting the historical aspect of the "revival" of the program.

Other opinions, anyone?

I was only five or six when The U was in their heyday back in the 80s and early 90s with the 'Thug' appproach, so I was mesmerized by the show and the stuff those guys did since I hadn't known what went on down there until last night: Selling cocaine, stealing, beating the tar out of anyone that got in their way on and off the field etc. etc. Some teams refused to play them because they were afraid of getting killed on the field. It looked like they picked a fight every week with the other team.

I too found it crazy that the guys they interviewed didn't have any remorse really for what they did during their days in Miami. They really didn't give a darn and still don't. I can't remember if it was Craig Erickson or Steve Walsh that said he saw his teammates one night on their way out to steal radios. R U Serious! I can't believe that kind of stuff was tolerated. You can't tell me the coaches and high ups at Miami didn't know about what was going on in their own backyard? Totally agree that the coaches should've been more active in their approach to discipline. There's no way those players were going to class - not that players do now - but it just baffled me how they got away practically with murder. One part that was interesting was when they talked about Randy Shannon (current Miami coach) handing out the prize pools that were given to players from a rapper for big hits or hurting another team's player. Stuff they were doing on the field would've been arrestable offenses off it.

Winning has become so much more important than how one conducts himself and that's sad. Winning like that would NOT have made me a proud president, AD or coach. I would've been embarrassed by my players antics on and off the field. Too many times I've seen where status quo is win at all cost and Miami certainly lived with that philosophy many years ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2009, 09:10:32 PM
Well said, Jackets Backer. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 12, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
go after Larry Kehres.  not only is he a stickler for detail like Brian Kelly was, but it will give the rest of D3 a chance :)

Lookin' like you'll have to take Lance Leipold too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 14, 2009, 10:09:23 AM
and they interviewed Lamar Thomas (WR).... you might remember Lamar as the Hurricane Color Analyst who got fired for his comments during the Brawl in 2007.  His commentary during the fight was so disturbing that even Michael Irvin went on record to say that he needs to be fired for it. 

What a loser. 

Of course, I had a Catholics vs. Convicts shirt and remember the beating they gave Gerry Faust on his last game at ND. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 14, 2009, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 14, 2009, 10:09:23 AM
and they interviewed Lamar Thomas (WR).... you might remember Lamar as the Hurricane Color Analyst who got fired for his comments during the Brawl in 2007.  His commentary during the fight was so disturbing that even Michael Irvin went on record to say that he needs to be fired for it. 

What a loser. 

Of course, I had a Catholics vs. Convicts shirt and remember the beating they gave Gerry Faust on his last game at ND. 

"Now, that's what I'm talking about. You come into our house, you should get your behind kicked. You don't come into the OB [Orange Bowl] playing that stuff. You're across the ocean over there. You're across the city. You can't come over to our place talking noise like that. You'll get your butt beat. I was about to go down the elevator to get in that thing."

Lamar sure is a classy product from The U
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
I don't see a problem feeling that way...but when you're the analyst, gotta keep your poise. Maybe he should have gotten some tacos from Griese or asked Jimmy the Greek to find him a "Big Woman" to settle him down.

The Houston coach said he wasn't interested and Turner Gill accepted the job at Kansas. Harbaugh just signed an extension at Stanford (a midwest guy). The Boise coach may not have many midwestern ties, but he wins, recruiting the same area as schools with much nicer facilities and much bigger names (sounds a lot like UC). He can keep recruiting that area and hire some assistants from around the midwest (I hear Coombs would like to stay at UC...that helps recruiting Ohio). Haven't heard anything on Tommy Tuberville in the papers or on ESPN so I don't think he's being considered...but he should be.

Mount Union - Wisc. Whitewater V....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 14, 2009, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
I don't see a problem feeling that way...but when you're the analyst, gotta keep your poise. Maybe he should have gotten some tacos from Griese or asked Jimmy the Greek to find him a "Big Woman" to settle him down.

The Houston coach said he wasn't interested and Turner Gill accepted the job at Kansas. Harbaugh just signed an extension at Stanford (a midwest guy). The Boise coach may not have many midwestern ties, but he wins, recruiting the same area as schools with much nicer facilities and much bigger names (sounds a lot like UC). He can keep recruiting that area and hire some assistants from around the midwest (I hear Coombs would like to stay at UC...that helps recruiting Ohio). Haven't heard anything on Tommy Tuberville in the papers or on ESPN so I don't think he's being considered...but he should be.

Mount Union - Wisc. Whitewater V....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

So did BK (about ND).  Keep Sumlin in mind for UC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
I don't think Brian Kelly ever said he wasn't interested. He either didn't say anything or said he would "entertain."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 14, 2009, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
I don't think Brian Kelly ever said he wasn't interested. He either didn't say anything or said he would "entertain."

Great exercise in semantics - one may/may not be interested in a "dinner party" vs volunteering to "entertain" the dinner party.   ;D ;D Including a cheese course...  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 02:17:07 PM
As long as the proper wine is served.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
I don't think Brian Kelly ever said he wasn't interested. He either didn't say anything or said he would "entertain."
Quote from: cave2bens on December 14, 2009, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
I don't think Brian Kelly ever said he wasn't interested. He either didn't say anything or said he would "entertain."


Sayer:
That's not exactly what he told his players. ;D

cave2:  Right on! :D
Great exercise in semantics - one may/may not be interested in a "dinner party" vs volunteering to "entertain" the dinner party.   ;D ;D Including a cheese course...  :D
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 14, 2009, 02:17:07 PM
As long as the proper wine is served.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 14, 2009, 10:09:23 AM
and they interviewed Lamar Thomas (WR).... you might remember Lamar as the Hurricane Color Analyst who got fired for his comments during the Brawl in 2007.  His commentary during the fight was so disturbing that even Michael Irvin went on record to say that he needs to be fired for it. 

What a loser. 

Of course, I had a Catholics vs. Convicts shirt and remember the beating they gave Gerry Faust on his last game at ND. 

AS (formerly SF):

Absolutely well said!  Couldn't agree with you more.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 15, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
He told his players that he would talk to them and apparently he told some that he wasn't leaving...but everyone knew he would be talking to them.

Kevin, haven't heard Shanahan's name at all. ESPN  and the radio claims that the job is down to Holtz or the coach from Central Michigan. Unfortunately, the guy from Central Michigan can't bring Dan LeFevour with him
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 15, 2009, 01:28:43 PM
Didn't the players from "The U" wear camouflage instead of shirt and tie to games?  I am not suprised though on what the players were allowed to get away with.  As long as teams win games people always seem to look the other way or forget about the things you've done in the past.  It's really sad, but it's reality (ie. Vick).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 15, 2009, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 15, 2009, 01:28:43 PM
Didn't the players from "The U" wear camouflage instead of shirt and tie to games?  I am not suprised though on what the players were allowed to get away with.  As long as teams win games people always seem to look the other way or forget about the things you've done in the past.  It's really sad, but it's reality (ie. Vick).

They did once... to the Fiesta Bowl (when they got off the plane).  They were beaten by Penn State in that game though after throwing 5 INT's.  The turnovers underminded a statistically dominating performance by the Hurricanes (which I love hearing).  When they got back, JJ was reprimanded for the conduct/clothing of the players (a Miami defensive lineman stormed out of a dinner saying "the Japanese didn't sit and eat with the Americans before Pearl Harbor" -- his bright teammates all followed suit)


Thats because you aren't listening in the right places, Sayer.  Trust me... he's here in town and interviewing today.  Mike Thomas has been VERY tight-lipped about the whole process.  If they have too many people turn them down (like Houston's coach), it looks bad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 16, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
Sayer long time no see!!!

Did any one from the HCAC make it to the Aztec Bowl?

Also, did UC go after Holtz at all?  Who has said no thus far to UC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Blutarsky on December 16, 2009, 09:10:30 AM
Quote from: M and L on December 16, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
Sayer long time no see!!!

Did any one from the HCAC make it to the Aztec Bowl?

Also, did UC go after Holtz at all?  Who has said no thus far to UC?

Apparently not the coach at CMU...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 16, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
Quote from: M and L on December 16, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
Sayer long time no see!!!

Did any one from the HCAC make it to the Aztec Bowl?

Also, did UC go after Holtz at all?  Who has said no thus far to UC?

no more Aztec Bowl... the game in Mexico has a different name.  Dean Paul is coaching the defense down there.  I know Steinmetz is there but not sure about anyone else.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 16, 2009, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 16, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
Quote from: M and L on December 16, 2009, 08:26:43 AM
Sayer long time no see!!!

Did any one from the HCAC make it to the Aztec Bowl?

Also, did UC go after Holtz at all?  Who has said no thus far to UC?

no more Aztec Bowl... the game in Mexico has a different name.  Dean Paul is coaching the defense down there.  I know Steinmetz is there but not sure about anyone else.

Team Stars and Stripes Roster (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/12/03/tazon-de-estrellas-approaching/)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 16, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4745381  Here's a link talking about the Big Ten adding another team to the conference.  I would think this is an excellent move, especially for football because they will have two divisions and then could have a playoff game as mentioned in the article. What's everyone elses opinion and what team do you think would be a good match?  Pitt or Cincy maybe?  I think either wouldn't be losing too much by leaving their current conferences and joining the Big Ten.  I don't know how difficult it would be.  Notre Dame would be great considering their involvement with Big Ten teams and being an independant.  They would need to move their Bball team from the Big East though.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 16, 2009, 02:34:47 PM
Notre Dame would be a good fit for the conference, just don't think they will join a conference at this time just like they wouldn't join the last time they were asked. I believe Joe Pa said don't even send them an invitation since they have already turned it down once.

Reports of other schools that they might be interested in are Missouri, Rutgers and Pittsburg.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 16, 2009, 03:41:42 PM
I think Missouri or Pitt would be a good fit due to being in the area of all the other big 10 schools.  I would like to see Louisville join getting a school from KY.  I wouldn't want to see Rutgers due to them being from New Jersey. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 17, 2009, 08:23:15 AM
Louisville was mentioned on the talk shows down here but someone said that their academic standards would not fit in with the Big Ten.

Kentucky would probably be a good fit, but would not leave the cash cow they have with the SEC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 17, 2009, 08:38:37 AM
I think adding another team would definetly benefit the Big Ten.  It would strengthen the conference most deffinetly especially if they added a good calibar team like ND or Pitt.

I would love to see ND join the Conference just b/c I don't think that they can compete I would love to see Kelly fall short just like his predissors.  If they do join the Big Ten will ND still keep scheduling nonconference with the PAC 10?

Granted the Big Ten is a much bigger market, TV ratings and revenue ect..., but they have a good thing going in the Big East and are already in BCS conference.  Do they really want to leave the good thing that they have going for them?  IS the grass that much Greener on the other side?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 17, 2009, 08:52:15 AM
Joe Pa didn't want ND because of their location...not because they turned the bid down once. He wanted another team from the Eastern Seaboard to increase the area of the Big 10, and in turn, increase the number of fans of the Big 10.

Missouri wouldn't make sense to me. Though they are in the midwest, they are already a part of a conference with a set system, and a conference championship game. If you remove Missouri, you now have an uneven number of teams in each division of the Big 12 (not to mention that smaller division would be the Big 12 North which is already the weaker division). You also don't gain a dramatic increase in fan support.

Pittsburgh would be the best choice. They have a pretty solid tradition, though they haven't competed for a Nat'l Championship in awhile, and they have a pretty large fan base. Geographically, they also fit and would for one hell of a rivalry with Penn State (College football loves rivalry games).

Kevin, I think your source was wrong about Shanahan. If he really was interested enough to be interviewed and was friends with UC's AD, then he would have gotten the job. He has better football credentials than someone who has spent his whole career as an assistant coach (only has 3 years as a HC). He may have been in town...but it wasn't to interview for the HC at UC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2009, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 17, 2009, 08:52:15 AM


Kevin, I think your source was wrong about Shanahan. If he really was interested enough to be interviewed and was friends with UC's AD, then he would have gotten the job. He has better football credentials than someone who has spent his whole career as an assistant coach (only has 3 years as a HC). He may have been in town...but it wasn't to interview for the HC at UC.

www.footballcoachscoop.com   --- its on there too about Shanahan.  

Monday, December 14, 2009

Cincinnati:
FootballCoachScoop has learned that Mike Shanahan is no longer a candidate at UC.  We have been told his desire is to return to the NFL.  According to
our sources, Athletic Director has narrowed the search to Butch Jones (Central Michigan Head Coach) and Skip Holtz (East Carolina Head Coach).



Also... it makes no sense for UC (or Rutgers for that matter) to enter into the Big 10.  It comes down to dollars and while UC is a major university... they can't compete with the large state institutions (and their money).  It would not make sense for UC to do that.  It would also kill the Big East if Pitt left... they'd be left with 7 teams and could lose their BCS status.  


How would ND not compete in the Big 10?  The only teams that have been more than decent are Iowa, Ohio State and Penn St.   They would beat Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota and Illinois.  Thats 5 wins per year... plus Mich St, Mich, Wisc don't exactly scare anyone either.  

ND won't join the Big 10... because, why would they?  They have things the way they want them with their affiliation now.  Football doesn't need a conference -- and thats why most people like seeing them fail.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 17, 2009, 11:22:02 AM
Really who can ND compete with if you look at there six wins.  Out of there six wins they only beat two teams by more than 7 points Nevada 35-0, woopie,  and Washington State 40-14.  Ya they were 2-1 in the Big Ten this year.  But that was against bottom feeders Purdue with score of 24-21, Michigan State 33-30, just barely getting by those teams.  And who could forget the lose to Michigan.

Given that all of there loses were not blow outs if you consider the box scores and that average margin is by less than seven points.  Put I think only two of those loses was only to two Ranked teams.  Bottom line, ND is what they are a .5oo team.  And if you look at the past three coaches for over the last decade history is pretty clear on that.  Don't get me wrong I grew up loving Notre Dame, but they fit right in the with all the mediocer teams at best in the Big Ten like Wisconsin, Minn. and Michigan State.


My opion of ND and how they handle there buuisness with this Brian Kelly ordeal had greatly changed my outlook on them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2009, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: M and L on December 17, 2009, 11:22:02 AM
Really who can ND compete with if you look at there six wins.  Out of there six wins they only beat two teams by more than 7 points Nevada 35-0, woopie,  and Washington State 40-14.  Ya they were 2-1 in the Big Ten this year.  But that was against bottom feeders Purdue with score of 24-21, Michigan State 33-30, just barely getting by those teams.  And who could forget the lose to Michigan.

Given that all of there loses were not blow outs if you consider the box scores and that average margin is by less than seven points.  Put I think only two of those loses was only to two Ranked teams.  Bottom line, ND is what they are a .5oo team.  And if you look at the past three coaches for over the last decade history is pretty clear on that.  Don't get me wrong I grew up loving Notre Dame, but they fit right in the with all the mediocer teams at best in the Big Ten like Wisconsin, Minn. and Michigan State.


My opion of ND and how they handle there buuisness with this Brian Kelly ordeal had greatly changed my outlook on them.

I agree about ND being mediocre since Holtz left... and they were lucky to be .500 this year.  That said, the Big 10 absolutely is way down.  ND could join the Big 10 and make MORE money due to the TV deals the Big 10 has with ESPN and ABC, but they want to keep their rivalries with teams like USC and Navy intact.  It keeps the alumni involved. 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-17-big-ten-notre-dame-dec17,0,7857636.story

I'm curious what they did with Kelly to have people who say they are fans change their outlook on them.  Even the most stubborn fans of ND that I know of (ones that thought Stoops or Meyer would come running to South Bend-- which was crazy to think), like the hire.  Don't be mad at the circumstances --- THATS the NCAA's fault.  They need to move the signing period back a month or two and then have a date when teams can start hiring (like they do in mens basketball).

I think the Irish are in great shape.  I'm also a UC fan... have friends who played at UC and my buddy is applying to be the new strength coach... that said, Kelly was going to leave at some point.  He listened to job offers from Washington and Tennesse last year, so I'm glad he's at least at ND and one of my teams will be coached by him.  Also... Butch Jones is a great hire.  That and he's keeping Combs in Cincy... Cincy will not miss a beat without Kelly because of Jones.  

I think some of my fellow UC fans need to chill out on Brian Kelly.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 17, 2009, 01:14:53 PM
Oh don't get me wrong the NCAA should be castigated for letting the buisness go this rout; they let turn heads and let it happen.  The big part why I grow up adhering to ND football was due to the fact I was raised in a strict Catholic family.  Which is very similar to the Judeo Mission statment that the College holds themselves and their athletics as well.  I just figured they would handle the hiring of new coach, be it Brian Kelly in a more professional manor.  Some where along the lines of their Mission Statement, You know less crocked.

Don't get me wrong I'm not mad that Kelly left to follow his life long dream to coach at ND.  ND is the one that came calling and waving dollar bill signs in Kelly face.  It wasn't the other way around.  I can't place bitterness on Kelly for that.  If the shoe was on the other foot.  Who knows what I would do, probably something similiar.

Andy, your write the writing was on the wall, Kelly wasn't going to be lifer here at Cincinnati.  It was only a matter of time.  The way he departed the team is what leaves a bitter taste in my mouth for ND.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
I guess I really don't see how ND could've done anything differently.  THEY didn't leak a thing... the media pushed the story along.  All ND did was hire a coach... UC went through the SAME thing in the past week.  Their coach is leaving before the bowl game also.  Its the way it is --- and I agree with you, it sucks. 

No offense, but agree to disagree.  and it doesn't sound like you were a huge fan if your choice of words is "adhere".  The only thing that ND did here was to hire a coach.  The search firm gauged interest, then they met with 3-4 guys about the position and made one offer.  Then, kept it extremely quiet for 4 days so Kelly could tell his team after the Banquet. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on December 17, 2009, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 17, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
I guess I really don't see how ND could've done anything differently.  THEY didn't leak a thing... the media pushed the story along.  All ND did was hire a coach... UC went through the SAME thing in the past week.  Their coach is leaving before the bowl game also.  Its the way it is --- and I agree with you, it sucks. 

No offense, but agree to disagree.  and it doesn't sound like you were a huge fan if your choice of words is "adhere".  The only thing that ND did here was to hire a coach.  The search firm gauged interest, then they met with 3-4 guys about the position and made one offer.  Then, kept it extremely quiet for 4 days so Kelly could tell his team after the Banquet. 

Yeah, I don't know how else ND or BK could've handled this situation. College football is so weird in the fact there's a month break between a team's last game and bowl game. ND needed a coach and this is a major time for recruiting so they needed someone in place so kids knew who was going to be their coach. Cincy got screwed too with BK leaving and the Bearcats going to the Sugar. It's sad for the kids at UC but Kelly has always wanted to coach the Irish and this was his chance (I don't think any of us would've done anything different when your dream job is staring you right in the face). He coaches the Sugar Bowl and he's SOL getting the ND job because they would've moved on and got someone else in place because ND can't wait that long.

Rich Rod had to do the same thing from WVU to Michigan. It was a once in a lifetime chance to coach at a place both these guys wanted to coach and they had to make the decision to leave their school with a big bowl game on the horizon. People are going to be hurt but that's the business.

It's a double-edged sword for all parties involved really. Totally agree AF, it is what is and that's how college football works. I don't know if there's a solution to coaches leaving their school with a bowl game left and an institution that is courting them.  Maybe the NCAA could put a rule in effect that says a coach can't leave his school until after a bowl game and a program without a coach can't come calling until all the bowl games are concluded.

Still don't see something like that happening because that would really leave a program in a bind without a coach for possibly up to six weeks right during an important recruiting period.

I can't think of a way for this to be fixed and it's just going to continue and everyone will have to live with the outcomes when big-time college football programs come calling.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on December 17, 2009, 02:02:39 PM
I just received a "Christmas card" from Coach Taylor and the DC football team that contains their 2010 schedule.

Sep 4 @Muskingum
Sep 11 @Adrian
Sep 18 Anderson
Sep 25 @Hanover
Oct 2 MSJ
Oct 9 RHIT (Homecoming)
Oct 16 @Manchester
Oct 23 @Earlham
Nov 6 Franklin
Nov 13 @ Bluffton
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 17, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
Nope, never really was a die hard fan.  Matter fact, really don't have a specific team that I root for.  Growing up in a single parent home.  Grandma was the only one who turned on the TV in my family to watch football.  Saturday was ND b/c they were America's Catholic team, Penn St. b/c of she loved and admirred her "little Italian Joe Pont".  Then Sundays we watched the hometown "Bungles" as she put it. The only team that I have ever been loyal to were those that I was either playing /played for or coached/coaching for and the people that I was associated with during those times.  Teams change with new coaches and new personalities come in with different people.  Guys come and go.

If a AD decides to let a guy who he chose like Charlie.  Then why can't they bear those six months of recruiting lumps during that down time between the last game and bowls games?  Thats all I'm saying.  But its not set up like that.   Systems no perfect, or there would be a playoff.  So life goes on.


What time is the Stagg Bowl?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 17, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
I wonder why ND and BK couldn't just wait to finalize things till after the Cincy's bowl game.   Recruiting shouldn't be affected for ND since they are not playing in a bowl game this year so what diffence would it really make.  I know it would have been a hard thing to keep quite, but maybe ND could have waited to interview till after the New Year.  Just my opinion.

Altor-Thanks for the post.  Glad to see Adrian still on the schedule.

Does anyone know if Muskingum game is still in contract or did DC and Muskingum renew?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 17, 2009, 02:18:20 PM
Who else did ND interview?

Hey, Did DC have 6 home games this past year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2009, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: M and L on December 17, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
Nope, never really was a die hard fan.  Matter fact, really don't have a specific team that I root for.  Growing up in a single parent home.  Grandma was the only one who turned on the TV in my family to watch football.  Saturday was ND b/c they were America's Catholic team, Penn St. b/c of she loved and admirred her "little Italian Joe Pont".  Then Sundays we watched the hometown "Bungles" as she put it. The only team that I have ever been loyal to were those that I was either playing /played for or coached/coaching for and the people that I was associated with during those times.  Teams change with new coaches and new personalities come in with different people.  Guys come and go.

If a AD decides to let a guy who he chose like Charlie.  Then why can't they bear those six months of recruiting lumps during that down time between the last game and bowls games?  Thats all I'm saying.  But its not set up like that.   Systems no perfect, or there would be a playoff.  So life goes on.


What time is the Stagg Bowl?

11am kick in the Stagg Bowl

Different AD... the AD who hired Charlie Weis was Kevin White, who resigned in June 2008.  

They couldn't wait, has_been because of recruiting.  Doesn't matter about whether or not they play a bowl game.  Kelly has a very busy two months ahead of him.  If they had waited, they'd have been behind the 8-ball with recruiting.  Its already hard enough to find guys who "fit in with ND"

They also interviewed Randy Edsall, Skip Holtz and depending on who you talk to Jack Harbaugh
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 18, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
People honestly believe Notre Dame will never join a conference. In my opinion, they are Brian Kelly, failed coaching tenure away from almost being forced to make a decision. If this doesn't work out, and Notre Dame is still mediocre, I think they almost have to join a conference. Joining a conference (Big East most likely because basketball is already there) provides the following:
1. Automatic BCS Bowl game - In order for ND to play in a BCS bowl, they have to finish in the top 8.
2. The chances of playing in a Bowl (BCS or otherwise) dramatically increase - Most BCS conferences have 6 Bowl tie-ins...ND will always finish in the top 6 in any conference. Many BCS conferences get 2 teams to a BCS bowl, even if they are not in the top 10.
3. Guaranteed money every year, even if a Bowl game is not played. - Since conferences share the Bowl wealth, if ND has a bad year (5-7/4-8), they still get some cash.

As of now, football isn't bringing in money to the department...if it continues, they will have to reconsider. ALSO, if BK fails, ND will be working on almost 25 years of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on December 18, 2009, 12:51:18 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 17, 2009, 08:52:15 AM
Joe Pa didn't want ND because of their location...not because they turned the bid down once. He wanted another team from the Eastern Seaboard to increase the area of the Big 10, and in turn, increase the number of fans of the Big 10.

Sorry I must have interpreted it wrong when he said Notre Dame had its chance and shouldn't be asked again.

Link to Article: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009912160378 (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009912160378)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 18, 2009, 05:56:14 PM
He also said in a press conference that adding Notre Dame wouldn't help because it doesn't expand the geography of the Big 10. He felt the Big 10 should work its way east where it would get more pub by expanding the population of viewers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 19, 2009, 08:18:26 AM
The big10 does not want Notre Dame.  way i heard it is 2 years ago they all walke away the big10 realized it was not a good fit for 2 reasons. 

1. outside of football there is not a large fan base and revenue stream.  this move is all about expanding the largest fanbase and revenue stream.  the revenue of the big10 is nearly the size of the SEC and ACC combined, Notre Dame will not provide the same growth as many other markets

2. Notre Dame does not meet the acedemic standards of the confrence :) i was laughing when i first heard this considering my grades could not get me a ticket into a game much less the school, but ND is not a research institution which is a huge direction for the Big10.

look for them to go east, you pull in a rutgers, Syracuse, or Boston College and you capture the new york market and that dominating lead in the market gets a lot bigger.  it is all about business.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2009, 01:08:38 PM
70_dc_alum:

I would be very surprised if they went that far east to add a team.  While you have some valid points for consideration of such, I would think that would just involve too much additional expense regading the travel costs.  Although many people have been saying this for several years as well as some of you have posted the following also in recent posts here, it seems to me that Pittsburgh would be the most logical choice for this - if they would ever leave the Big East.  As others have said also, Cincinnati would be a great choice as far as location, however, their institution programs overall perhaps not quite the same "fit" as the other Big Ten teams and...even though they have appeared to reach their "big time" level as was their long range plan for years (i.e. when they decided to highly upgrade their schedule as an independent and started playing all those "suicide schedules" ;D - again, another tangential albeit similar argument that some of us have made/discussed as a mechanism for some DIII teams attempting to "reach the next tier or level" with their programs by playing tougher non-conference games over a period of years.  

Also, I'm not sure those other teams you mention would leave the Big East, although I could be very wrong.  I just don't see that happening, but again, I would be very surprised and...stranger things have happened as we all know.  In this current era, perhaps nothing is surprising and "circumstances react and change with the times" so to speak.  Obviously, we'll just have to wait and see what happens, if anything in the future, although my "gut feeling" is that it will still be awhile before we see that.  Nonetheless, again, I could be wrong - "not even in the vincinity of the endzone"! ;) ;D (thought I would use the latter phrase instead of "way off base" since we're talking about football here ;D)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 20, 2009, 03:09:23 AM
I read that Pitt's bball coach is against leaving the Big East for the Big Ten.  I would think that any Big East team would be salivating to join the Big Ten due to how strong they are in fball and bball.  It would benefit teams like Pitt, Cincy, or Syaracuse because those schools bring both a strong football and basketball team every year.  That would help both either one of those schools money wise IMO.  I would also think that it would help the recruiting too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 20, 2009, 07:02:53 AM
I don't know about Pitt, but UC is a research-based institution and they have several departments that can compete not only with ND, but any other college, academically. Their law school, medical school, engineering program, and the CCM are all upper echelon programs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 20, 2009, 03:49:58 PM
Good.. I'm glad the Big 10 doesn't want ND.. That means they won't put on a "full court press" yo add the Irish. 
I can assure you the feeling is mutual at the school.  It would be a mistake to do it at this point.  If they are in this same position in 5 years, they'll join the Big East.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 21, 2009, 01:11:31 PM
All I want for X-mass is some "Karma"!!

Sayer: Your Exstenze is on the Way.  MERRY X-MASS everyone!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 21, 2009, 11:33:12 PM
There's one M & L, Happy Hanuka (even though it is already over)!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 22, 2009, 10:57:25 AM
I need more than that to cure my problem :)

Merry Chrismahonaquanza

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 22, 2009, 02:05:27 PM
Sayer, you guys on break yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 23, 2009, 04:46:24 PM
Our last day was December 18
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 24, 2009, 10:17:06 AM
My New Year's Resolution: Find a new coaching job!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2009, 01:04:54 PM
I'd like to wish all of you colleagues/friends here on this HCAC board a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.  I've enjoyed posting with all of you this year (as in past years) and look forward to more of the same in 2010.  Safe and enjoyabe holdidays to you all and enjoy all the bowl games!  I'm going to try and watch as many as I can before having to face the annual and dreaded "football withdrawal" until spring football practice starts at all the levels! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 29, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091228/SPT/312280024/1055/NEWS/Cincinnati+Commandos+are+new+team+in+town


The name is funny
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 30, 2009, 07:06:28 PM
I posted this on other boards, but will do so here as well.

Did any of you see the announcement that Grand Valley State Head Coach Chuck Martin has been offered and accepted the defensive backs coaching job at Notre Dame under his former boss Brian Kelly?  I totally missed that the other day (i.e. apparently it was announced Monday).  Does that surprise anyone?  I think not, since Martin had been offered to go with Kelly to both Central Michigan and then Cincinnati, but turned him down.  Also, Martin had said on the day of the Div. III title game that he wasn't sure if Kelly would offer him again at ND since he had turned Kelly down twice before.  In addition, it was considered skeptical by some since GVSU lost the title game this year.  Overall, though I'm not totally surprised.  Some had also just mentioned that a minor consideration/factor was that Martin also had an Irsih/Catholic background and always wanted to consider coaching at ND in some capacity.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see who Grand Valley State picks as their next head coach.  Do any of you know if any of the current staff has a chance at being considered?  Or will they "go outside" this time? 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 31, 2009, 08:20:21 AM
I was invited to try out for that team...I declined with deepest regrets :) I also got a text message about a team starting up on the west side (Three Rivers). They are called the Miami Valley Silverbacks. I know the guy who organizes all this and he must be one dedicated MF'er. Trying to make money and get people to play a sport where you make $3-4,000 a year is tough. I don't think he any other job.

Anyway, Have a Happy New Year and in the words of Chad Johnson, watch out for the Cinco-Cero.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 29, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091228/SPT/312280024/1055/NEWS/Cincinnati+Commandos+are+new+team+in+town


The name is funny
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 31, 2009, 08:20:21 AM
I was invited to try out for that team...I declined with deepest regrets :) I also got a text message about a team starting up on the west side (Three Rivers). They are called the Miami Valley Silverbacks. I know the guy who organizes all this and he must be one dedicated MF'er. Trying to make money and get people to play a sport where you make $3-4,000 a year is tough. I don't think he any other job.

Anyway, Have a Happy New Year and in the words of Chad Johnson, watch out for the Cinco-Cero.




Good luck to them - he/they'll need it.  While I think it is great that there are still some opportunities for former college players to continue their careers in some capacity at least for a couple of years (while their health still allows), at the same time, in this day and age, it is certainly taking a risk (regarding one's health, a "real job" with the possibility of making a living, health care benefits - although the latter may be a big problem now due to the current government officials) and especially as you say for the low stipend they get for it.  I suppose if a player who is still single, it might be worth the risk, however, for those who are married and/or are fortunate enough to have a solid, steady job, I'm not sure the rist would be a wise one to take.  Then again, if you only get one opportunity in life to do something like that, then perhaps it might be.  Everyone has to evaluate their own situations and then make their own decision.

Yet again, with the current "track record" of these indoor teams, as I mentioned, this new owner(s) will need all the luck they can get.  The teams in Michigan in that league the past 3-4 years have not done well and for the most part are defunct.  Too bad, although I guess at least it was fun for those involved while it lasted.  

BTW, speaking of these indoor teams, I was totally amazed (shocked) at the huge number of teams that had played in these various leagues over the past decade or so.  If you go onto Wikipedia (or a similar venue), there are hundreds of teams - most are defunct though.  Wild, to say the least. ;) ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 31, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
Hope everyone has a safe and happy new year!!!  See ya all in 2010!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 05, 2010, 11:04:32 AM
The commando's! IS that for this spring or years team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 06, 2010, 11:51:28 AM
I don't know...I didn't go to the try out. Macke, you live over by Three Rivers, you should to the Silverbacks thing.

Congrats to the Big 10 on a very good Bowl season. 4-3 in Bowl games with Minnesota and Northwestern losing extremely close games. I think Michigan state could have won also had their entire team not been suspended. Ohio State, Iowa, and Wisconsin return a lot of players so look for the Big 10 to look like the old Big 10 next year...even if its only for 1 season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 06, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
QuoteCongrats to the Big 10 on a very good Bowl season. 4-3 in Bowl games with Minnesota and Northwestern losing extremely close games. I think Michigan state could have won also had their entire team not been suspended. Ohio State, Iowa, and Wisconsin return a lot of players so look for the Big 10 to look like the old Big 10 next year...even if its only for 1 season.

Agreed. Much of Big 10 criticism has been valid in recent years. Not this time. Obviosly not at the level played in the SEC, but the Big 10 plays some pretty good football. Interesting to note that Purdue, a second division team in the league, beat Ohio State and should have beaten Oregon on the road, losing by two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 06, 2010, 08:58:57 PM
Too bad Michigan still sucks hurting the image. Maybe they can flirt with .500 sometime in their future again. They could add some service academy to pad the schedule like ND does :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 06, 2010, 09:28:46 PM
QuoteToo bad Michigan still sucks hurting the image. Maybe they can flirt with .500 sometime in their future again. They could add some service academy to pad the schedule like ND does

No kidding. But another year and Rich Rod will be history...will the next coach be a Michigan Man?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 07, 2010, 08:36:49 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 06, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
QuoteCongrats to the Big 10 on a very good Bowl season. 4-3 in Bowl games with Minnesota and Northwestern losing extremely close games. I think Michigan state could have won also had their entire team not been suspended. Ohio State, Iowa, and Wisconsin return a lot of players so look for the Big 10 to look like the old Big 10 next year...even if its only for 1 season.

Agreed. Much of Big 10 criticism has been valid in recent years. Not this time. Obviosly not at the level played in the SEC, but the Big 10 plays some pretty good football. Interesting to note that Purdue, a second division team in the league, beat Ohio State and should have beaten Oregon on the road, losing by two.

Ohio State played well offensively, but you can also say that spread offenses don't do well when dealing with the 30 days off between the season and the bowls.  Its just science.  I'm not saying Oregon should have won because Jesus Christ himself couldn't have predicted that Tyrell Pryor would actually play like a decent (not great or anything else) QB..... but Ohio St was not the only reason for the Ducks lack of performance.  Its a timing and rhythm offense.  And even when they made a couple plays you could see it was just because of the level of athlete they have on offense. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 07, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on January 06, 2010, 08:58:57 PM
Too bad Michigan still sucks hurting the image. Maybe they can flirt with .500 sometime in their future again. They could add some service academy to pad the schedule like ND does :)


easy, there kemosabe...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 11:31:35 AM
QuoteOhio State played well offensively, but you can also say that spread offenses don't do well when dealing with the 30 days off between the season and the bowls.  Its just science.  I'm not saying Oregon should have won because Jesus Christ himself couldn't have predicted that Tyrell Pryor would actually play like a decent (not great or anything else) QB..... but Ohio St was not the only reason for the Ducks lack of performance.  Its a timing and rhythm offense.  And even when they made a couple plays you could see it was just because of the level of athlete they have on offense. 

OSU's layoff was almost a week and a half LONGER than Oregon's...and the Bucks traveled 2,300 miles. The Duck's came out and got stuffed and didn't make adjustments or plays to win the game. Don't recall other spread teams like Florida, etc. complaning in recent years about timing issues.  As for Pryor, give him his due...he made good decisions, was accurate and a leader on the field...on a gimpy knee as a true sophomore. I think the Wolverines are looking at another beat down next year. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 07, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 11:31:35 AM
QuoteOhio State played well offensively, but you can also say that spread offenses don't do well when dealing with the 30 days off between the season and the bowls.  Its just science.  I'm not saying Oregon should have won because Jesus Christ himself couldn't have predicted that Tyrell Pryor would actually play like a decent (not great or anything else) QB..... but Ohio St was not the only reason for the Ducks lack of performance.  Its a timing and rhythm offense.  And even when they made a couple plays you could see it was just because of the level of athlete they have on offense.  

OSU's layoff was almost a week and a half LONGER than Oregon's...and the Bucks traveled 2,300 miles. The Duck's came out and got stuffed and didn't make adjustments or plays to win the game. Don't recall other spread teams like Florida, etc. complaning in recent years about timing issues.  As for Pryor, give him his due...he made good decisions, was accurate and a leader on the field...on a gimpy knee as a true sophomore. I think the Wolverines are looking at another beat down next year. ;)

I think there's something to this.  The two worst games Oregon played all year (offensively anyway) were the first (after a long offseason) and the last (after a lengthy break).  It isn't fair to say that Boise State or Ohio State didn't earn their wins (they did), but Oregon's offense clearly doesn't do well with time off.  I think Oregon was getting things going right up until the botched handoff got kicked 20 yards and out of the endzone for a turnover.  That was the game changer, IMO.  

Re: Michigan's coach....it seems pretty obvious to me anyway that when Michigan holds the presser to announce the firing of Rodriguez, there will be a 15 minute intermission (juice and cookies available, of course), followed immediately by the presser to announce the hiring of Jim Harbaugh.  The only way it doesn't play out like that is if for some reason Harbaugh wants to stay at Stanford, or Rodriguez wins 11 games next year AND beats Ohio State.  I'm a little surprised they didn't go get Harbaugh this year actually. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 12:25:38 PM
Oh yeah...they played real well squeaking out a two point win against Purdue at home in week two also:)....analyzing Oregon football is far beyond me...suffice it to say unless the NCAA bans the Duck's from bye weeks, off seasons and off week's between bowl games,  they probably need to focus on making plays rather than excuses (although I don't think I heard any Oregon players or coaches doing that)...

Regarding Captain Comeback...is there any lingering animosity at UM from his well publicized rant against the university for among other things, admitting borderline kids (in his opinion)? It was two or three years ago and as I remember he was pretty adamant in his criticism...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 07, 2010, 01:39:05 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 12:25:38 PM
Oh yeah...they played real well squeaking out a two point win against Purdue at home in week two also:)....analyzing Oregon football is far beyond me...suffice it to say unless the NCAA bans the Duck's from bye weeks, off seasons and off week's between bowl games,  they probably need to focus on making plays rather than excuses (although I don't think I heard any Oregon players or coaches doing that)...

Regarding Captain Comeback...is there any lingering animosity at UM from his well publicized rant against the university for among other things, admitting borderline kids (in his opinion)? It was two or three years ago and as I remember he was pretty adamant in his criticism...

Since when did Purdue become the barometer?  And while Oregon almost got beat by Purdue, didn't Ohio State more than almost get beat by Purdue?  I'm not sure what your point is.   And wasn't Purdue the week after the Boise State game?  There may have been a slight distraction that week....the fact that Oregon bounced back after Boise State and all of the crap that happened afterward to win their league, frankly, was phenomenal.  Other teams have had seasons go straight into the tank over far, far less.   

In any case, there's no excuses.  Oregon, and everybody else for that matter, needs to better figure out how to keep playing well after the regular season ends.  The quality of play in bowl games tends to be substantially worse than what we get to watch at the end of the regular season.  If only there was a way to have a postseason that didn't have to start 3-4 weeks after your last game....  ::)

I think Harbaugh running his mouth about UM a few years ago as the coach of PFL San Diego (or the new coach at then lifeless Stanford) probably gets met with skepticism...now that he's coaching a team that is miles better than UM even though there isn't a good reason why it should be, I think any self respecting Michigan fan would have to take him a little more seriously.  And were the UM brass upset because Harbaugh said things that were untrue, or were they upset that he went public with a legit criticism?  I seem to recall it being the latter. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 01:58:09 PM
QuoteSince when did Purdue become the barometer?  And while Oregon almost got beat by Purdue, didn't Ohio State more than almost get beat by Purdue?  I'm not sure what your point is.   And wasn't Purdue the week after the Boise State game?  There may have been a slight distraction that week....the fact that Oregon bounced back after Boise State and all of the crap that happened afterward to win their league, frankly, was phenomenal.  Other teams have had seasons go straight into the tank over far, far less.   

whatever...as rosanne rosannadanna says..."it's always something"...maybe Oregon wasn't comfortable in their new unis...having a different look each week has to mess with their heads :D...some people spend far too much time trying to explain why teams get beat by manufacturing silly excuses...all teams face distractions, adversity, etc...part of the game...go make plays.     

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
...but speaking of the Rose Bowl, if you have never been, do youself a favor and do whatever it takes to make the trip. If you have kids...take the entire family and do the parade and the whole deal. I've been one time, and it is not cheap from here in the midwest, but it is truly a very, very special event that our family will never forget. The setting is phenomenal...as cool as it looks on TV...it's a millionn times better in person...looking forward to tonight's game!  :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 07, 2010, 03:50:11 PM
Roseanne Roseannadanna?  Really?  Very fresh.  You couldn't squeeze in a Chico Escuela reference? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
QuoteRoseanne Roseannadanna?  Really?  Very fresh.  You couldn't squeeze in a Chico Escuela reference?  

well played... :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 08, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
Sayer, whats this Silverback thing again?  Got any more details?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2010, 08:48:52 AM
I deleted the text. Try to find something on River's Edge's website or on the internet.

As I posted on Facebook, I think it's time to realize that Carson Palmer is only an average QB. Maybe his elbow is bothering him (I never heard of a baseball player being able to recover from a Tommy John injury with rest), or the cadaver's ACL is starting to fail (read a study where cadaver ACL's have a high fail rate) causing issues with his legs. Whatever it is, he doesn't look good. Joe Walter was argueing the lack of pass protection and lack of WR, and I know that is a problem, but it doesn't account for the lack of consistency throwing the ball. All year, especially at the end, he's been off.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 11, 2010, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2010, 08:48:52 AM

As I posted on Facebook, I think it's time to realize that Carson Palmer is only an average QB. Maybe his elbow is bothering him (I never heard of a baseball player being able to recover from a Tommy John injury with rest), or the cadaver's ACL is starting to fail (read a study where cadaver ACL's have a high fail rate) causing issues with his legs. Whatever it is, he doesn't look good. Joe Walter was argueing the lack of pass protection and lack of WR, and I know that is a problem, but it doesn't account for the lack of consistency throwing the ball. All year, especially at the end, he's been off.



Carson looks done to me as well.

Enough with the Bengals in the Natti, the Redlegs go out and get a prized Cuban phenom. Who am I kidding, the Dust Ball will ruin him like every other young arm he's had and this young flamethrower will be battling injuries like Palmer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
If the Reds struggle again this year, I don't think Dusty will be back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on January 13, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Crusty was an awful choice for skipper. Hopefully we don't see him playing Willy Tavares in center field and hitting leadoff again this summer.  He has a career .280 OBP ... not exactly the stats you want for a table setter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2010, 09:34:19 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20100117/NEWS01/1180322/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 18, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
Hopefully the right thing will be done in this case.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 19, 2010, 08:23:01 AM
SaintsFan...i saw in the dayton daily news where Chris Wells is getting elected into the TMC HoF.  good defensive player from those mid 90's powerhouses.  not shocked on the election as much as i was in it being in the DDN who thinks covering D3 football is posting a score of Urbana!!  of course the article was all about Middie grad Chris Wells.

man the offseason is boring
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 19, 2010, 11:03:44 AM
Hopefully things go well for Mike. Unfortunately, it's him and his attorney vs the US Gov't and we all know who wins that battle 99.9% of the time.  My brother is in Korea serving for the Air Force so I'll keep my comments about the services and the US Gov't to myself, but the lessen is: READ, READ, READ and get anything "promised" in writing with signatures.

On a separate note, I had a meeting with Rod Huber yesterday regarding a coaching position with the Centers and Guards. As of now, I'll say it went very well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 19, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
Your absoulutely right when it comes to contracts and what your signing Sayer.  I hope everything works out for the six year vet.

What What, you could be going to MSJ.  I could see you on the other side of the field?  Hey thats a great oppurtunity.  Hope everything works out well.  Who's spot would you be replacing?

PS.  You this means that I couldn't talk to you during the F-ball season JK  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 19, 2010, 01:32:14 PM
That really sucks for the MSJ grad and serviceman.  But as mentioned by Sayer and M & L, you have to read everything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 19, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
If I do indeed do it, I'd be replacing Dick Nocks (I don't know how to spell his last name). Hubie said he fell off a ladder and has some major injuries and will not be able to coach this upcoming year.

And we can still talk...just not on here :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 20, 2010, 07:58:41 AM
Ah, ya, coach nocks.  I knew him from my teaching days Harrison.  Really nice guy.  When ever I would see him he always went out of his way to say hi to me.  Sorry to hear that about him.  Just right before I got to Harrison I heard that he tore his Bicep or something like that.  So the dam guy is always getting hurt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 20, 2010, 08:39:24 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 19, 2010, 11:03:44 AM
Hopefully things go well for Mike. Unfortunately, it's him and his attorney vs the US Gov't and we all know who wins that battle 99.9% of the time.  My brother is in Korea serving for the Air Force so I'll keep my comments about the services and the US Gov't to myself, but the lessen is: READ, READ, READ and get anything "promised" in writing with signatures.

On a separate note, I had a meeting with Rod Huber yesterday regarding a coaching position with the Centers and Guards. As of now, I'll say it went very well.


What?  Was Thomas More not hiring? 

fag
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2010, 01:52:41 PM
I wanna stay on the side of the river where family trees branch out :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 20, 2010, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2010, 01:52:41 PM
I wanna stay on the side of the river where family trees branch out :)

So you're going from Purcell to a program that has the ability to win 9 games/year if Franklin or Defiance don't beat them... thats a step up
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 21, 2010, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on January 20, 2010, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2010, 01:52:41 PM
I wanna stay on the side of the river where family trees branch out :)

So you're going from Purcell to a program that has the ability to win 9 games/year if Franklin or Defiance don't beat them... thats a step up

Thanks for including DC...

Sayer i hope you get the job, not that i want you to not be able to post but we know you will read it and it will be fun to get you jacked up with no way to respond...something tells me saintsfan will have a field day with this!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 21, 2010, 11:02:58 AM
I could always send personal messages and I'm sure Bob won't delete me from his email list so I'll be in touch  ;D


And Purcell hasn't won 9 games the past 5 years combined...so yes, it's a slight step up  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 21, 2010, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on January 21, 2010, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on January 20, 2010, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2010, 01:52:41 PM
I wanna stay on the side of the river where family trees branch out :)

So you're going from Purcell to a program that has the ability to win 9 games/year if Franklin or Defiance don't beat them... thats a step up

Thanks for including DC...

Sayer i hope you get the job, not that i want you to not be able to post but we know you will read it and it will be fun to get you jacked up with no way to respond...something tells me saintsfan will have a field day with this!!

You know it.  

Like this one?  --- They need to hire him and 3 other past offensive lineman, convert them to players  ---- all to keep their QB upright this year in Crestview Hills.   Last year wasn't as close as that score indicated.  

ok, one more....

Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2010, 01:52:41 PM
I wanna stay on the side of the river where family trees branch out :)

you mean unlike the great recruits crossing the river from the GCL schools to TMC?   MSJ had a future freshman all american (by D3football.com) playing HS football 3 miles from their campus in 2008 as a senior.


But like Adam said.... he just needs out of that "Situation" he's in at Purcell.  I tried to help him by getting him hooked up with Milford's new Head Coach but teaching spots are at a premium.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 27, 2010, 11:42:25 AM
Wow, Sayer not being allowed to post!  It will be awfully quiet & no one to truely represent MSJ next year. 

Good luck Sayer with getting the job!  That would be an awesome step towards you future as a coach.  I agree with 70dcalum, it will fun messing with you not being able to post. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on January 27, 2010, 12:22:43 PM
Concur with other sentiments expressed, Adam, and hope all exceeds your expectations and desires!  Well, except when journeying north of the Maumee  ;)

The 50% decrease in the volume of buckeye-flavored, kool-aid consumption? Bonus  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 27, 2010, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 27, 2010, 11:42:25 AM
  I agree with 70dcalum, it will fun messing with you not being able to post. ;D

why wait?

I hear they may have to take out more junk bonds (like the ones used to pay for the stadium) to pay Sayer's salary demands.  Word is he also requested a midget for personal use two Saturdays /month.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 27, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
Haven't taken the job yet.

I figure I'm worth Nick Saban money so they are getting a very good deal here.

Get your facts straight about the midget. It's a National Guard policy. One weekend/month, two weeks/year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 28, 2010, 03:54:21 PM
Former Defiance coach named d-coordinator for Denver.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4866581
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2010, 11:03:14 AM
Jordan Hicks, the highly touted linebacker from Lakota West (school in Cincinnati suburb) will be choosing which college to attend today. He's choosing between Ohio State, Texas, and Florida. According to ESPN, the Florida recruiter in charge of recruiting Hicks has left to be the new HC at Louisville so it's highly unlikely Hicks will go to Florida.

The Buckeyes recruiting class is very average thus far but they are in the running for two top 10 recruits: Hicks and an OL from Minnesota. They also have interest from a St. X OL...also considering Notre Dame. If they can get them, it will definitely help matters....it won't be Florida (who, ranking-wise, possibly has the best recruiting class in college football history) but it doesn't need to be playing in the Big 10.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2010, 01:13:13 PM
Texas bags the #2 and #4 recruits today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2010, 11:03:14 AM
Jordan Hicks, the highly touted linebacker from Lakota West (school in Cincinnati suburb) will be choosing which college to attend today. He's choosing between Ohio State, Texas, and Florida. According to ESPN, the Florida recruiter in charge of recruiting Hicks has left to be the new HC at Louisville so it's highly unlikely Hicks will go to Florida.

The Buckeyes recruiting class is very average thus far but they are in the running for two top 10 recruits: Hicks and an OL from Minnesota. They also have interest from a St. X OL...also considering Notre Dame. If they can get them, it will definitely help matters....it won't be Florida (who, ranking-wise, possibly has the best recruiting class in college football history) but it doesn't need to be playing in the Big 10.

Sometimes, those recruiting rankings are way overrated, regardless of who does them.  I have no doubt that "The Vest" will do well in recruiting whoever he/they get. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 01, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
He has a decent class thus far (ESPN has them 12th). The main reason Hicks went to UT was OSU's linebacker depth. He probably wouldn't have played at OSU until he was a Junior (excluding Special Teams). At Texas, he'll have a chance to get PT almost immediately.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 02, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
This is a kid who played football and wrestles for me. He's a little nuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pl1K6N0cdc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 03, 2010, 09:57:36 AM
I sure hope his parents have a good health care coverage. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2010, 11:56:54 AM
I met with Coach Suriano yesterday. He's very different than I expected...in a good way. I really hope this happens. I think it would a great opportunity for my future endeavors in coaching.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 03, 2010, 09:52:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on January 28, 2010, 03:54:21 PM
Former Defiance coach named d-coordinator for Denver.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4866581


HasBeen i cant remember if he ever actually coached at DC or not i think he might have been an assistant or student assistant...it is in his profile he was a D Coordinator but i think some PR folks took some liberties there.  he is an alum and played DB and was the first white guy in BASA and the only person that ever got in more trouble than me and Talik with the Dean of Students and never got kicked out.  there are some legendary stories!!

Martindale was my D Coordinator in High School at Northmont then he went to Notre Dame my Sr year.  he was the DC at Western Illinois that took my brother out there as GA.

last time i went out drinking with him i think i pissed him off becuase i kept trying to call Al Davis with his Cell at 2am when he coached LBs with the Raiders
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 04, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
You were trying to get Al to send you one of his Leisure Suits weren't you?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 04, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
70_dc_alum, I don't think anyone can top Padron and his track record at DC.  He even was able to get a diploma after all of his "event!"
It's still cool to see some DC blood in the NFL!  Martindale has been doing a great job working up the ranks.  I hope he does well at Denver.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2010, 08:40:25 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 04, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
70_dc_alum, I don't think anyone can top Padron and his track record at DC.  He even was able to get a diploma after all of his "event!"
It's still cool to see some DC blood in the NFL!  Martindale has been doing a great job working up the ranks.  I hope he does well at Denver.

"Event"  was there something that happened after i left?  Padron was not too bad, grades killed him.  i know they had police escort Martindale out of a BBall game.  me and you got close a few times after deweys trips but never got removed by the cops!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 05, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2010, 08:40:25 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 04, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
70_dc_alum, I don't think anyone can top Padron and his track record at DC.  He even was able to get a diploma after all of his "event!"
It's still cool to see some DC blood in the NFL!  Martindale has been doing a great job working up the ranks.  I hope he does well at Denver.

"Event"  was there something that happened after i left?  Padron was not too bad, grades killed him.  i know they had police escort Martindale out of a BBall game.  me and you got close a few times after deweys trips but never got removed by the cops!

You young'ns might want to hold off on the coronation... the Latchaw Sims Denison (LSD) Freak Coalition had a 'Nam-era notoriety which remains if Buchman or the Mikulas' are queried (they are the only "Old Guard" left).  Front page, Defender/Offender articles were a weekly norm.   The college saw fit to bulldoze the dorms and throw up the "suites" after a feeble attempt to transition Denison into the Alpha Xi sorority house  :-[ ;D
Trust... the pictures, articles, and student judiciary records are still "floating around" though edited on FB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 05, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
Ben, I guess you're right that Padron wasn't that bad with school matters.  He grades were is weakness that's for sure.  After you left he had a few incidents with the dorms that left him banned from campus only to attend classes. 
In regards to Deweys I plead the fifth, because I don't ever remember much when we went there.  The only police escort I remember was Sweede's bday in Pittsburg when the police asked me to round up my friends and just leave.  By the way it was a nice choke slam by you through the table.

Bob, I trust anything that comes from you.  I remember speaking to some alums at a watering hole that told some of the greatest stories about their times at DC in the 60's. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 07, 2010, 08:25:29 AM
I've seen a few of those Pics of Bob's...good stuff.  Bobyou do realize they bulldozed the Alpha house the year after i graduated.  Coincidence??? the grass sure was a lot greener there!

Thanks for recognizing the choke slam.  after 3 years of talking smack about the greatness of choke slamming only to be mocked by the non believers, you were all there to witness the fun...and it was into a couple rows of chairs not a table!!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 07, 2010, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 07, 2010, 08:25:29 AM
I've seen a few of those Pics of Bob's...good stuff.  Bobyou do realize they bulldozed the Alpha house the year after i graduated.  Coincidence??? the grass sure was a lot greener there!


Oh yeah... we had a ceremonial, commemorative bonfire on the dirt site at our 20th reunion to recall my wife's disciplinary action for burning the "crotch critter" couch in '74.  ;D  To think this may have been the missing link to her 35 year career as a syphilis/STD chaser from geology major?  Spelunking jokes, aside,   "Defying the Ordinary" before a canned campaign.  :D  Reason we were known as the "Denison Degenerates."

BTW, Ms Caves was the Alpha pledge trainer in 1972.  LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 09, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
there must be something about burning couches that goes across generations!!  end of the freshman year we piled up about 35 couches behind the parking lot in the quad for a quaint little bonfire.  who whould have known that couches are so flamable and a 20 foot tall pile could provide flames 100 feet high and gets the fire department called.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
Were those couches located behind the endzone at one point?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 11, 2010, 05:11:19 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
Were those couches located behind the endzone at one point?

Not the couch I referred to, Adam  ::)  That one was "kwelled" for biological reasons that the Dean didn't comprehend  ;D.  While drawing the fire department, the only 100+ footer we had during my era was Sisson Hall.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 14, 2010, 12:33:21 AM
League tournament tonight: Purcell Marian was the Freshman, JV, and varsity GCL Central team champions. Though we lost to 2 kids we had beaten earlier in the year from Elder, the team responded well and some kids stepped up big time. Get the brooms out...clean sweep.

Moeller beat Elder for the overall championship 259.5 to 258.5. For those of you who don't understand, that is the equivalent of 1 kid the entire tournament, pinning vs winning by points in 1 match. It came down to the HWT matches and Elder's HWT lost.

Contrary to football, the wrestling team gets it done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 15, 2010, 09:13:33 AM
You know what really gets my goat. People who think they are owed something just because of who they are. The kind of people who can't handle when an "inferior" team or individual rises up and becomes better. They expect to be given some type of respect just because they have a history of being good...Child Please!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 15, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on February 14, 2010, 12:33:21 AM
League tournament tonight: Purcell Marian was the Freshman, JV, and varsity GCL Central team champions. Though we lost to 2 kids we had beaten earlier in the year from Elder, the team responded well and some kids stepped up big time. Get the brooms out...clean sweep.

Moeller beat Elder for the overall championship 259.5 to 258.5. For those of you who don't understand, that is the equivalent of 1 kid the entire tournament, pinning vs winning by points in 1 match. It came down to the HWT matches and Elder's HWT lost.

Contrary to football, the wrestling team gets it done.

Elder's football team got it done this year...  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 08, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
SaintsFan, I'm enjoying the multiple identity changes ;D

Since the last post hasn't been since February 15th, I wanted to end the silence.  I'll throw a topic out.  Who should the Rams take for the first pick, Braford, Suh, or McCoy?  I would think they should go with Braford to help prepare them for the future and they just signed Fred Robbins (even though his numbers have dropped) and b/c rumors are saying they are going to release Bulger too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 08, 2010, 04:13:11 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 08, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
SaintsFan, I'm enjoying the multiple identity changes ;D

So is my gf... ha. 

Only I can't take credit for this name.  Cave2 helped me out...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 10, 2010, 08:17:39 AM
yea but with a name like Rock Stickler you need to sport a mustache that would make Burt Reynolds jealous.  with out you are just another 70's wannabe pornstar.

HasBeen - they need bradford if is shoulder is not shredded.  SUH is the biggest impact player in the draft for the next 4 years, but the rams have way too much tied into the Dline if they go that route and their d is still not that great.  they need to score points and get the fan base going.  i am in St. Louis every couple of weeks and they all think the rams are a joke and no one wants anything to do with them.  at least with the Lions they get support because everyone wants to hold on for the glimer of hope
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 10, 2010, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on March 10, 2010, 08:17:39 AM
yea but with a name like Rock Stickler you need to sport a mustache that would make Burt Reynolds jealous.  with out you are just another 70's wannabe pornstar.


oh i'm working on that, 70.  So far I haven't cut my hair since October... and I'm at the length of Bradley Cooper in The Hangover now... going a bit longer, I think.  The mustache has to wait though.  I had to book a flight to Fort Lauderdale yesterday for this coming Monday, so I can clean up a mess that just happened with a grower in South Florida.  The mustache wouldn't have been in by Monday, so I shaved it off to completely keep me from temptation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 10, 2010, 08:33:02 AM
when you grow it back...FU-MAN-CHU!!

to help with the offseason fix...any other schools post things like this?
http://www.youtube.com:80/user/DefianceFootball
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 10, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
I agree about St. Louis needing Bradfrod.  Plus giving a Dlineman 12 million a year is hard to swallow for any team.  A qb or LT I can see giving that kind of money, but not anyother position.  I think that is why Detroit took Stafford (other than needing a someone who can put points on the board) instead of Curry who was realistically the top player in the draft.
In regards to St. Louis fans thinking the Rams are a joke and not wanting anything to do with them will hopefully be what brings them back to LA!  Them or the Jaguars having to do to not being able to support a team there.
Also, with the Lions, I will always have a glimer of hope!  I'm seeing the Lions being a playoff team in about two or three seasons.  I know for some that is a long time to wait, but I feel like they are on the right track.  They've addressed some major issues with free agency at the Dline, CB (even though both CB's aren't studs but possible starters), and a 2nd wide receiver to take pressure of Calvin Johnson.  Now instead of McCoy or Suh they need to grab Okung at LT.  I know both DLineman are hard to pass up, but Backus isn't a true LT and with them picking up Williams who is better in a 4-3, Vanden Bosh, and Sammie Lee Hill in the middle can help them to take a LT instead of DT.  Just my thoughts from a hopeful Lions fan! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 11, 2010, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 10, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Also, with the Lions, I will always have a glimer of hope!  I'm seeing the Lions being a playoff team in about two or three seasons...  Just my thoughts from a hopeful Lions fan! ;D

funny you said the same thing when i hosted you on your visit to DC back in 96!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 17, 2010, 07:47:15 AM
Happy St. Patrick's Day and always remember...I am not lucky, I am good!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 17, 2010, 03:58:54 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on March 11, 2010, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 10, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Also, with the Lions, I will always have a glimer of hope!  I'm seeing the Lions being a playoff team in about two or three seasons...  Just my thoughts from a hopeful Lions fan! ;D

funny you said the same thing when i hosted you on your visit to DC back in 96!
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We were close to making the playoffs in 2000.  I still have a grudge against kickers due to the fact that ours missed two XP's and we lost by one which ended our hopes to the HCAC crown and an AQ to the playoffs.  Oh well, DC made it the following year and got handled by Augustana.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 17, 2010, 04:34:18 PM
That DC team in 2001 that I saw in Crestview Hills was NOT a playoff team, IMO.  They just happened to win the HCAC


And BTW, just got back from a quickie down to Fort Lauderdale this morning... man I love that part of Florida.  Our company is putting an office down there in Boca Raton in the next calendar year (12 months from now for you rocket scientists (Adam)) and I'm going to be 1st on the list of being asked if I want to relocate down there --- the answer is yes and my lady has family in Boca, so we're good. 

Yes, phags --- I have a lady.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 19, 2010, 07:56:45 AM
That's great to have an opinion Rock, just like everyone has buttholes, but did DC get into the playoffs regardless of how they got in?  Yes, so that makes them a playoff team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 19, 2010, 09:16:20 AM
Boca??  you have an issue.  in the next 12 months how are you going to age 50 years?

the 2001 DC team was a playoff team and was as good as the typical HCSC champ (basically every HCSC champ but the recent Franklin run).  of course the typical HCSC champ is not a treat for Salem.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 19, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
The Hanover teams in the last 90's and early 00's weren't bad. A few of their 1st round losses were close games. Regardless, you are correct in your overall assessment of the HCAC champ...however, had MSJ been seeded where they belonged this past post-season, they most likely would have a W on their playoff resume.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 19, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 19, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
The Hanover teams in the last 90's and early 00's weren't bad. A few of their 1st round losses were close games. Regardless, you are correct in your overall assessment of the HCAC champ...however, had MSJ been seeded where they belonged this past post-season, they most likely would have a W on their playoff resume.
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on March 19, 2010, 09:16:20 AM
Boca??  you have an issue.  in the next 12 months how are you going to age 50 years?

the 2001 DC team was a playoff team and was as good as the typical HCSC champ (basically every HCSC champ but the recent Franklin run).  of course the typical HCSC champ is not a treat for Salem.
Quote from: Rock Stickler on March 17, 2010, 04:34:18 PM
That DC team in 2001 that I saw in Crestview Hills was NOT a playoff team, IMO.  They just happened to win the HCAC


And BTW, just got back from a quickie down to Fort Lauderdale this morning... man I love that part of Florida.  Our company is putting an office down there in Boca Raton in the next calendar year (12 months from now for you rocket scientists (Adam)) and I'm going to be 1st on the list of being asked if I want to relocate down there --- the answer is yes and my lady has family in Boca, so we're good. 

Yes, phags --- I have a lady.

Sorry Rock/Boca ;D, but I have to agree with my colleagues/friends here dc, 70's and Sayer.  As well all know, there are a lot of teams that will not go far in the playoffs each year and that includes the DIII basketball Final Four as well as DI's current Final Four started yesterday.  Using your criteria/definition, a lot of these teams regardless of the sport we're discussing, should never get in, however, as you and we know, that's just the way the system is.  My own opinion (which I realize many do not agree with me) is that I am all for the tournament the way it is set up.  Some would argue that this is "little league mentality" where everyone gets a participation  certificate, to borrow that quote from someone here who recently used that/coined that phrase.  However, I say let them participate - they earned the right by winning their conference (or in the case of basketball, their conference tourney for those teams whose conference holds those).  Besides, I always love to see the upsets as we've witnessed yesterday already in the DI basketball tourney.  While that may not happen as often in the DIII football playoffs, it can occur.  Nonetheless, the participation in the playoffs is a great experience for the players and their fans.

I will admit, however, the latter does get old after awhile if ones team doesn't advance and get beyond the first round (take if from me/us in the MIAA, with the exception of Trine this year which broke the string and advanced to the second round ;) :D ;D).  Anyway, not detracting from your opinion as to the talent level of a team you witnessed playing; rather I'm just agreeing that the teams that get in are, indeed, playoff teams yet, perhaps not great caliber teams at times as you mention. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 28, 2010, 09:21:41 AM
SaintsFan i just realized you made the d3football 1st team all america list in 1999!!!  congrats! 

http://www.d3football.com/tow/99/teamofyear.htm

1st team Defense Justin Harris, check out the picture.  that looks like the infamous TKO shot on you
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 30, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
Perfect tackle...helmet under the chin strap, arms around the waist, rolling the hips through (or what used to be considered a perfect tackle). Unfortunately, had he been playing nowadays that hit would have resulted in a 15-yard penalty  ;D

I prefer the O-Lineman looking like he's on his deathbed reaching up towards Heaven.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 30, 2010, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on March 28, 2010, 09:21:41 AM
SaintsFan i just realized you made the d3football 1st team all america list in 1999!!!  congrats!  

http://www.d3football.com/tow/99/teamofyear.htm

1st team Defense Justin Harris, check out the picture.  that looks like the infamous TKO shot on you

That is actually THE infamous TKO shot.   My head hurts from seeing that picture again.  

I'll betcha formerd3db remembers this picture very well.  


That lineman Sayer is talking about is Derek Bosse... he hates that picture.  I don't think his assignment EVER got to me.  Great OT
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 31, 2010, 08:35:04 AM
I'd hate the picture too if I was him. Doesn't look good as on O-lineman when you're on your back.

In honor of Kevin's fabulous picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7yBdjaBzWw

The best hit comes around the 24 second mark.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 02, 2010, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on March 30, 2010, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on March 28, 2010, 09:21:41 AM
SaintsFan i just realized you made the d3football 1st team all america list in 1999!!!  congrats!  

http://www.d3football.com/tow/99/teamofyear.htm

1st team Defense Justin Harris, check out the picture.  that looks like the infamous TKO shot on you

That is actually THE infamous TKO shot.   My head hurts from seeing that picture again.  

I'll betcha formerd3db remembers this picture very well.  


That lineman Sayer is talking about is Derek Bosse... he hates that picture.  I don't think his assignment EVER got to me.  Great OT
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 31, 2010, 08:35:04 AM
I'd hate the picture too if I was him. Doesn't look good as on O-lineman when you're on your back.

In honor of Kevin's fabulous picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7yBdjaBzWw

The best hit comes around the 24 second mark.


Yes, I remember that picture/incident very well, ouch!!! ;D  I'm sure that old style hard synthetic turf at Alma didn't help any either - that was before they replaced it with the new style.  Many of us were concerned about that and had encourgaged them to replace it for 2-3 years before then, rather than just patching it.  Of course, the issue at hand was/always is $ ;) ;D  Anyway, glad things eventually  turned out okay for you after that hit. 

BTW, you changed your posting nickname again? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 02, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
Yessir... Cave2bens helped me pick out the name... Hope you're doing well...


That field was TERRIBLE... never played on a surface like that before then --- and obviously never played again after that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 02, 2010, 03:25:59 PM
Rock Stick:

I have to agree with you - I think that's the worst I've ever seen also.   

I'm "hanging in there" and just plugging along like everyone else.  Hope you are too.  Anyway, I hope you have a blessed and enjoyable Easter weekend.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 05, 2010, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 02, 2010, 11:30:03 AM;D  Anyway, glad things eventually  turned out okay for you after that hit. 


You sure about that...no residual effects!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 05, 2010, 05:58:29 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 05, 2010, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 02, 2010, 11:30:03 AM;D  Anyway, glad things eventually  turned out okay for you after that hit.  


You sure about that...no residual effects!



hahaha.... did you mean to put a question mark (?) there instead of the exclamation point (!) ???  You're such a Defiance "grad"....  I even put examples of the question mark and exclamation point there so you could have something to go by.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 05, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
Nah I meant to emphasis it!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 14, 2010, 08:38:34 AM
"The NCAA is looking into potential rules violations committed by West Virginia's football program under former head coach Rich Rodriguez, colleague Mark Schlabach is reporting.

Although WVU officials didn't specify the nature of the potential violations by the program, a source tells Schlabach that Rodriguez is at the center of the NCAA's examination. Rodriguez's current team, Michigan, is facing five allegations of rules violations from the NCAA relating to the amount of time players spend on football-related activities. Rodriguez and other Michigan officials are scheduled to appear before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions in August.

Rodriguez is scheduled to meet with reporters today at 2:45 p.m. ET to discuss spring ball. Obviously, we'll have more to come on this situation as it develops."

Keep in mind this is the same guy that recruits players like Chris Henry and Pacman Jones. Michigan hit a homerun here! Rich Rod is the "new" Bobby Collins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 75 bucks on April 21, 2010, 02:47:34 PM
Who is preseason #1 in HCAC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 21, 2010, 05:25:31 PM
i would think it is a coin flip between MSJ and Franklin, likely nod to MSJ until we see what is behind the graduating offensive machine of the Grizz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on April 22, 2010, 09:43:35 AM
Was browsing Franklins web site today and noticed that they will be playing Mount Union in 2012 and 2013 as part of their non-conference schedule.

They are also updating their sports facilities and it looks like the renovation of the football stadium will be done for the 2011 season. Hope they are putting sports turf in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 23, 2010, 01:30:03 PM
nice...that's a tough way to start out the season.  Having done that my freshman and sophmore seasons i can look back and say it was a good experience even though we only hung with Mount Union for 1 quarter out of 8!!  It made watching the National Championship game a lot more interesting when you could say hey i kicked his butt...well maybe for a play or 2!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 75 bucks on April 24, 2010, 09:36:35 AM
Does Defiance make their move this year? I think Bluffton will be the surprise team in HCAC. They seem to be doing a great job recruiting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 02:51:00 PM
Wow...I saw news of the Mount Union deal the other day. And news of some additional adds as well...

2010 - at Carthage (WI) and home versus Valpo
2011 - at Valpo and open home date
2012 - home versus Mt. Union and at Butler
2013 - at Mt. Union and home versus Butler

Valpo is probably the weakest of the group...but quite an impressive step up for the Grizzlies...good luck to Coach Leonard!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 24, 2010, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 02:51:00 PM
Wow...I saw news of the Mount Union deal the other day. And news of some additional adds as well...

2010 - at Carthage (WI) and home versus Valpo
2011 - at Valpo and open home date
2012 - home versus Mt. Union and at Butler
2013 - at Mt. Union and home versus Butler

Valpo is probably the weakest of the group...but quite an impressive step up for the Grizzlies...good luck to Coach Leonard!

A couple of years ago, everyone would have said Butler was the weakest of the group ;D  Although Valpo's program has been down of recent, I do not doubt they will improve, just like Butler.  Although non-scholarship, it is a step up for Franklin.  By adding those teams to its schedule, I agree with you guys that it can potentially be a big step and help to Franklin in the long term, even if they lose those games.  Time will tell.  Nonetheless, I like and applaud that type of challenge.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 28, 2010, 02:33:08 PM
Maybe Franklin is thinking of making the jump from DIII to DII or DI FCS with all their improvements to their athletic department and tougher schedule for football?  If they are doing the same for bball too I would actually take the statement seriously.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Raider 68 on April 28, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on April 28, 2010, 02:33:08 PM
Maybe Franklin is thinking of making the jump from DIII to DII or DI FCS with all their improvements to their athletic department and tougher schedule for football?  If they are doing the same for bball too I would actually take the statement seriously.

Franklin has had winning seasons for 4 of the last 11 year (winning '06-'09). With only 1000 or so students, making the leap to D2 or D1 FCS seems to be a real stretch. I would think the school needs to grow more and maybe add additional educational  degree programs (university status) in order to complete with a larger student population before considering scholarship sports programs not only in football but other sports as well. Playing a more competitive football schedule is good place to start!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 28, 2010, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 28, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on April 28, 2010, 02:33:08 PM
Maybe Franklin is thinking of making the jump from DIII to DII or DI FCS with all their improvements to their athletic department and tougher schedule for football?  If they are doing the same for bball too I would actually take the statement seriously.

Franklin has had winning seasons for 4 of the last 11 year (winning '06-'09). With only 1000 or so students, making the leap to D2 or D1 FCS seems to be a real stretch. I would think the school needs to grow more and maybe add additional educational  degree programs (university status) in order to complete with a larger student population before considering scholarship sports programs not only in football but other sports as well. Playing a more competitive football schedule is good place to start!

Perhaps they're following the path of Hillsdale?  Did my heart good to see the Chargers get a draft choice (3rd rd) before either Ohio State or the local trolls at UGa + two free agent signees to boot (no Chester Marcol inference intended).   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 01, 2010, 08:51:50 AM
MSJ Player got tryout with the Bengals this week at rookie mini camp

Mount St. Joseph pass rusher Alex Harbin literally came off the edge to get a shot in the tryouts. He got the call at the last minute Thursday afternoon when a linebacker the Bengals had lined up for a tryout signed elsewhere. The 6-2, 247-pound Harbin had some big-time numbers at the Division III Cincinnati school after playing in the city at Elder High School.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 04, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
Mark it down on your calendars (AND take note Defiance AD):

Thomas More AT Hanover September 11, 2010 1:30pm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 05, 2010, 11:40:37 AM
He was at UC's pro day back in March. I don't know if he worked out, but he was present.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 06, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on May 04, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
Mark it down on your calendars (AND take note Defiance AD):

Thomas More AT Hanover September 11, 2010 1:30pm.

I like it!  Working your way back into the HCAC rivalries.  When is your contract up with the PAC?   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 24, 2010, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on May 06, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on May 04, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
Mark it down on your calendars (AND take note Defiance AD):

Thomas More AT Hanover September 11, 2010 1:30pm.

I like it!  Working your way back into the HCAC rivalries.  When is your contract up with the PAC?   ;)

maybe sooner than anyone thought??  W&J is rumored to be leaving for the NCAC...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 24, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on May 24, 2010, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on May 06, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on May 04, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
Mark it down on your calendars (AND take note Defiance AD):

Thomas More AT Hanover September 11, 2010 1:30pm.

I like it!  Working your way back into the HCAC rivalries.  When is your contract up with the PAC?   ;)

maybe sooner than anyone thought??  W&J is rumored to be leaving for the NCAC...

What!?!?  Who's leaving then?  Are they going to have a 10 team conference with 1 nonconf game like the OAC? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 24, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on May 24, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on May 24, 2010, 01:46:07 PM


maybe sooner than anyone thought??  W&J is rumored to be leaving for the NCAC...

What!?!?  Who's leaving then?  Are they going to have a 10 team conference with 1 nonconf game like the OAC? 

The HCAC adopted the athletic powerhouse from Richmond, IN, opening up a vacancy.  ;D  The NCAC doesn't play a full round-robin in football, Has Been - particularly since they started swapping spit with the four UAA gridiron participants a few years ago.  That contract ends in 2011, I believe, and either opens two games on the schedule, or adds another league game.  It seems really ludicrous, for example, that Kenyon plays Wabash this year and it doesn't count in the NCAC standings... ???

There have been rumors swirling about W&J making said move for nearly a year, along with the Crawfordsville crowd rooting (against hope, it appears  :() for DePauw to consider staying closer to home.  Given W&J's broad-based, athletic program (swimming, etc.) and the competitive offerings of Kenyon, Denison, Wooster, and Allegheny within a couple of hours, it may make sense. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 25, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
Bob, I've decieded that instead of going to wikipedia I'll just go to you ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 26, 2010, 12:38:12 AM
I'd seriously reconsider your potential resource, "Has Been."  ::)  Heck, the dog wouldn't even come to me, earlier, when called - gonna change her name to "Dammit," if only to offend a few neighbors.  ;D 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
My wife wouldn't let me name the dog dammit :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
A couple HS teams from Ohio (Coldwater & St. Vincent St. Mary's - home to King James) are gracing the front page of ESPN's college section...not for a great reason, but still.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/

Below is an article about the decline in population in the midwest states. It focuses primarily on Ohio and mentions Larry Kehres.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=5221661
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 27, 2010, 01:45:06 PM
Bob, no need to reconsider, I'm sure you are just as reliable as Wikipedia.   ;D

Sayer,  Thanks for the articles, thought the one about the decline of the midwest was very interesting. 
Also,  you will learn through time and especially once you have children your wife won't let you do a lot of things and/or you probably won't want to do them either. :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2010, 04:41:01 PM
She works full time and goes to class 4 out of 5 weekday nights and when she's not in class she's studying. She lets me do whatever I want so I dont bug her studying :)

Still waiting to see how things change when kids come :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 31, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Well.....just found out that if things go well, I will be a daddy in 9 months!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 31, 2010, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 31, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Well.....just found out that if things go well, I will be a daddy in 9 months!

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 01, 2010, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 31, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Well.....just found out that if things go well, I will be a daddy in 9 months!

Echoing Ralph's well-wishes!   ;)

Given your announcement, time line, Sayer, is this newlywed anticipation or done deal?   ;D

Candles lit,
Champagne poured;
Sheets are clean, and...
Neither party's bored.

Burma Shave.

:D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 02, 2010, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on June 01, 2010, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 31, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Well.....just found out that if things go well, I will be a daddy in 9 months!

Echoing Ralph's well-wishes!   ;)

Given your announcement, time line, Sayer, is this newlywed anticipation or done deal?   ;D

:D

Maybe it means that he may finally get to have (edit) since being married. ;D

Congrats also Adam and hope everything goes okay.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 02, 2010, 12:06:30 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 31, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Well.....just found out that if things go well, I will be a daddy in 9 months!

Congrats Adam, that's awesome!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 02, 2010, 03:11:56 PM
Thanks everyone.

We just found out about a week ago and go to the doctor on June 10 just to make sure. Hopefully by the end of the summer I can tell everyone its a boy :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 04, 2010, 09:26:34 AM
Congrats Sayer...you better hope it's a boy becuase you will end up going nutz for years having to over-protect and worrying about all of the johnsons out there!  right Has_been? 

Looks like Anderson has a nice press conference today announcing the Colts trainging camp coming back to Anderson...would think that should be a cool recruiting tool.

i heard that the Lions were looking at Defiance but backed out becuase did not want to get intimidated becuase they would get shown up by a .500 d3 team practicing around them...sorry Has_been but the Lions do suck
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 04, 2010, 10:16:13 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 04, 2010, 09:26:34 AM
Congrats Sayer...you better hope it's a boy becuase you will end up going nutz for years having to over-protect and worrying about all of the johnsons out there!  right Has_been?  

Looks like Anderson has a nice press conference today announcing the Colts trainging camp coming back to Anderson...would think that should be a cool recruiting tool.

i heard that the Lions were looking at Defiance but backed out becuase did not want to get intimidated becuase they would get shown up by a .500 d3 team practicing around them...sorry Has_been but the Lions do suck

Interesting.  Just a couple of questions:

1) Do you know why the Colts would want to switch back to Anderson?  They had a nice facility and arrangement there before they went to Rose-Hulman.  Their "digs" at R-H are nice as well, so I'm curious as to why the switch ($, incentives? ???) although the facilities at Anderson are nice also.  As I recall, the Colts built those for Anderson when the latter renovated i.e. built their new stadium.

2) Also, I did not see any article about the Lions considering Defiance.  I assume that was a joke? ??? ;)  They had been at Saginaw Valley State in recent years (although did they switch to Wayne State closer to home?).  I should know that being I am from Michigan, however, that just goes to show you that I agree with you that the Lions are terrible.  As such, I have not really followed them much in the last 3-4 years or so.  Besides, I like the college game much better.  Anyway, I am just curious about this one also.

I hope that you and your HCAC colleagues here on the board are all doing well and that you all have a nice summer.  I am anxious for the start of the college football season, obviously for DIII especially.  It will be here before we know it.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 04, 2010, 01:12:39 PM
First, I'm not worried about the "johnson" due to the fact my daughter is in the 95%tile for 16 month olds and already is bulldozing boys her age and gymboree and I'm sure the trend will continue with size. Also her mother is meaner than I am and I fear for all the boys that come near here in the future!
Second, that's awesomd for Anderson!  I would be stoked if I was a player there b/c I would be studying their whole training camp trying to get any tip possible.
Finally, the Lions do suck, I know, but when they were 0-16 I was pulling for them and still am today.  Just give them time because good things are happening in Dtown!  Look for them to have 5-6 wins this year and around 9 the next becoming a contender.  There's no falling off the bandwagon!
Overall Big Lou, "ain't no thang but a chicken wing!"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 04, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on May 31, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Well.....just found out that if things go well, I will be a daddy in 9 months!

Congrats, Adam... How are you guys going to find out who the daddy is??  JK... great news... here's praying that its a healthy baby..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 05, 2010, 08:43:26 AM
Yep D3DB it was a joke just a creative way for me to tell Has_been the Lions suck  :D

Has_been ove course she is kicking the crap out of the boys today...bunch of tree huging liberal california boys eating tofu in daycare.  bring her to Ohio and she wont be able to take out my 2yr old.  plus we might as well introduce her cause Weston is a PIMP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 05, 2010, 08:55:08 AM
D3DB, they say Anderson has better access to the fan base.   It makes sense becuase Anderson is essentially a Indy suberb and Terre Haute is nearly on the IL border about 2 hrs away and Indy is the closest civilization to Terre Haute and outside of Indy the next closest cities are STL, Champain and Evansville (all probably 4hrs.  this should double or triple attendance, plus soem of the facilities/field house and Anderson is top notch (not taking anything from RHIT, i have no idea what they have)

"That generation exists. All you need to do is walk around any town in Indiana and you'll see plenty of Colt jerseys and caps and things of that nature," said Polian. "Our objective now is to capture the next generation, and part of that is the ability to come to training camp and see and touch the team. That's very important. That's why we are having the open mini-camp this Saturday at Lucas Oil Stadium. Anderson fits perfectly into that objective. The combination of locale, and what is now, thanks to all of the people who made this campus so beautiful, it makes it an ideal site for us. It's the right facility, in the right geographic area, located right among a tremendous number of our fans."

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=2f85c9f4-ca28-4ef6-a189-ebd7336b4d4e

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 05, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 05, 2010, 08:43:26 AM
Yep D3DB it was a joke just a creative way for me to tell Has_been the Lions suck  :D

Has_been ove course she is kicking the crap out of the boys today...bunch of tree huging liberal california boys eating tofu in daycare.  bring her to Ohio and she wont be able to take out my 2yr old.  plus we might as well introduce her cause Weston is a PIMP.

Geez, 70 - already making the turn on the 10th sans one "twelver" at 0830 in stimulating Springboro?  ;D ;D ;D  Pretty tough on the pretty boy QB who bailed Grosse Isle and the Maumee Mambo for the quiche-eating environs of SoCal - not that I'd pile on or anything!!!  :D  

BTW, Champaign-Urbana and E'ville are more like 1.5 to 2 hrs from Terre Haute - never mind those burgeoning metropoli of Greencastle, Vincennes, Crawfordsville, and Brazil...LMAO!

FD3DB - a move to Wayne State might prove valuable.  The local urchins on Mack Avenue put up a stouter defense than the "toofless felines" of suburban Windsor.  Just couldn't resist a Motor City shot after this AMs article in the WSJ.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 11, 2010, 04:08:58 PM
Since we have minimal discussion I'll try to start some.  What's everyone's thoughts on Nebraska and possibly Mizzou joining the Big Ten? 
I think it is a huge step b/c both are above average teams in DI BCS, so it stengthens the Big Ten a ton!  Now if ND would just agree to go with all sports in the Big Ten, it would be an awesome conference stepping toe-to-toe with the SEC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 12, 2010, 12:19:41 PM
The addition makes sense in terms of location. As far as decent teams, Nebraska is on their way back, but Missouri, with the exception of a couple years ago, has always been a mid-level Big 12 team at best. Since 1999, they have had 5 losing seasons and they only time they won more than 8 games in a year was in 2007 & 2008. The last time Missouri won more than 8 games in a season prior to 2007 was in 1969. I don't think they help the Big 10 at all in terms of football. Its like adding another Minnesota. Problem for the Big 10 is the teams located in their area are so-so on a yearly basis. Iowa State, Missouri, Notre Dame. Teams in the Big East do not fit (with the exception of Pitt or maybe West Virginia).

I'll be interested in how they will split the teams up. Will it be an East-West split, North-South, a mix? And also what they do to keep rivalries, especially with new members (i.e. Kansas-Missouri rivalry).

Something that came up on Around the Horn was the concept that you're going to have the 4 Super Conferences - SEC, PAC 10, BIG 10, ACC and whose to say they don't band together and form a playoff system and disassociate themselves with the NCAA.  Seems crazy, but we could see a DI split up into a DI and DIAA again. DI conferences (SEC, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, MWC), DIAA (Other conferences - Big East, C-USA, WAC, remainder of Big 12, etc)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 12, 2010, 08:57:59 PM
70_dc_alum and cavebens:

Thanks for the follow-up re: the Colts return to Anderson.  My apologies for the delay in this reply, however, things have been somewhat hectic around here for me of recent (almost- but not quite - "out of control") and I have also been in and out of town.  Anyway, good discussion.  I hope both of you are doing well.  Also, cavebens, I hope your trip with your "best half" was fantastic.  Take care and talk with you guys later.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Along with Nebraska and ND, I say the Big 10 should get on the horn and get Big 12 schools Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, and then two out of remaining Big 12 schools (Maybe K-State and Oklahoma State).

You now have an East and West and can keep the rivalries with two nine-team divisions.
West: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, K-State, OK St., Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.
East: OSU, Michigan, Penn St., Illinois, Indiana, MSU, NW, Purdue and ND.

This would be an amazing conference and you now have a conference championship at end of season.

Guess you could even take the other remaining Big 12 schools and make each division bigger.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 14, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Along with Nebraska and ND, I say the Big 10 should get on the horn and get Big 12 schools Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, and then two out of remaining Big 12 schools (Maybe K-State and Oklahoma State).

You now have an East and West and can keep the rivalries with two nine-team divisions.
West: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, K-State, OK St., Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.
East: OSU, Michigan, Penn St., Illinois, Indiana, MSU, NW, Purdue and ND.

This would be an amazing conference and you now have a conference championship at end of season.

Guess you could even take the other remaining Big 12 schools and make each division bigger.



... and call it the "Flyover Conference" or maybe the "HUAC?"   ;D

Geez, JB - JacketsFan brags about getting an autographed copy of your book and the local bubba just gets an invoice from Amazon?   :D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on June 14, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Along with Nebraska and ND, I say the Big 10 should get on the horn and get Big 12 schools Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, and then two out of remaining Big 12 schools (Maybe K-State and Oklahoma State).

You now have an East and West and can keep the rivalries with two nine-team divisions.
West: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, K-State, OK St., Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.
East: OSU, Michigan, Penn St., Illinois, Indiana, MSU, NW, Purdue and ND.

This would be an amazing conference and you now have a conference championship at end of season.

Guess you could even take the other remaining Big 12 schools and make each division bigger.



... and call it the "Flyover Conference" or maybe the "HUAC?"   ;D

Geez, JB - JacketsFan brags about getting an autographed copy of your book and the local bubba just gets an invoice from Amazon?   :D ;)

What can I say, my brother and I have to make some bank somewhere ... plus we love that cash from the ATL ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
Hey Cave,

For 25 bucks, I know a witch doctor in Africa who'll shrink your head
right on your shoulders. :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 14, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Along with Nebraska and ND, I say the Big 10 should get on the horn and get Big 12 schools Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, and then two out of remaining Big 12 schools (Maybe K-State and Oklahoma State).

You now have an East and West and can keep the rivalries with two nine-team divisions.
West: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, K-State, OK St., Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.
East: OSU, Michigan, Penn St., Illinois, Indiana, MSU, NW, Purdue and ND.

This would be an amazing conference and you now have a conference championship at end of season.

Guess you could even take the other remaining Big 12 schools and make each division bigger.


That would be an amazing conference!  It would be hard for one of these teams to make it to a BCS game b/c it would be hard to come out undefeated or come out with just 1 loss. 
I like the direction of the Big Ten adding Nebraska and if they could get two more big schools it would be a stellar conferance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 14, 2010, 12:20:06 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
Hey Cave,

For 25 bucks, I know a witch doctor in Africa who'll shrink your head
right on your shoulders. :D


Already a "no charge" offering - darned fine print in marriage contract, but thanks for the offer.  Might be worth the remaining $24.98 to not get the "honey do" commentary during the procedure.   ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 14, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on June 14, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Along with Nebraska and ND, I say the Big 10 should get on the horn and get Big 12 schools Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, and then two out of remaining Big 12 schools (Maybe K-State and Oklahoma State).

You now have an East and West and can keep the rivalries with two nine-team divisions.
West: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, K-State, OK St., Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.
East: OSU, Michigan, Penn St., Illinois, Indiana, MSU, NW, Purdue and ND.

This would be an amazing conference and you now have a conference championship at end of season.

Guess you could even take the other remaining Big 12 schools and make each division bigger.



After spending mucho time in Texas and witnessing the draw from Aggies fans, how about subbing A&M, trading TTech for Rice (and future draft choice to be named later), and bidding sayonara to the Kansas clan?  Need to have purple-clad academes on both sides of the conference equation.  Besides, the "MOB" (Marching Owls Band) is worth the price of admission!  :D

Post Script:  Well, as of about 4:00 PM Central, the severe storms in the panhandle were settling down and it appears for now that from the rubble, we may have a Big Twelve w/ 10 members (vs the Big Ten w/ 12) as KU, Mizzou, Aggies, etc. have decided to tie their carts to DeLoss Dodd's money train, clad in burnt orange (or baby s*** brown if an Aggie fan), take the forfeited $20M from the two departed debs, and split the difference.  Also some conjecture that UT will be getting a bigger chunk of TV revenues in the rumor mill but have seen no substantiation.  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on June 15, 2010, 06:18:52 AM
Looks like the Old Big 12 is going to become the New Big 10 and the Old Big 10 is going to become the New Big 12.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 15, 2010, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on June 15, 2010, 06:18:52 AM
Looks like the Old Big 12 is going to become the New Big 10 and the Old Big 10 is going to become the New Big 12.



It's all pretty amusing, and certainly not lacking for opinions from all sides.  The most favorable read, encountered so far, is linked below:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/061510dnsporealignment.1dbf239.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/061510dnsporealignment.1dbf239.html)

The Tampa Bay Trib had a scathingly humorous sports editorial this AM, and the K-State Coach was rather boisterous regarding athletic incompetence of CU and Nebraska in his personal comments/rants in the Chicago fish wrap.  Mrs. Caves hasn't relinquished her hold on the "Urinal Constipation, ATL's contribution to journalistic absurdity, for a local interpretation of net effect on the local football factories.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 20, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
We all know one thing...money makes the world go round. The Big 12 might be together for now, but when these schools see Colorado & Nebraska each make around 25 million or more in the near future, they will get greedy. Even lowly Indiana made 22 million last year. As the article Bob posted stated, Oklahoma and A&M have each struggled with debt problems in the Athletic Dept. They may be getting 20 million under this new deal, but faced with the possibility of making near 30 million if they are a top notch Big 10/Pac 10 team...it will be very, very tempting.

Ultimately, I don't think Oklahoma, A&M, or Texas will be the deciding factors in the future like they are being made out to be now. I think the key lies with the smaller Big 12 schools (or not-as-good Big 12 schools). The Big 12 has to find a way to keep them happy and its not going to be with money. Under this agreement, they won't make near what they could as a member of a Big/Pac 10 school. Lets say Baylor looks at the Big 10 and thinks, "Hey, we can beat Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern on a consistent basis, schedule some powder puffs, and we're a bowl team almost every year.  And we'll make 15 million more per year?"  Next thing you know the conference is down to 9. Missouri isn't happy. No matter what they say publicly, anyone with a brain knows they will bolt at first chance. 2-3 million extra per year doesn't erase years of frustration. At least not like an extra 15 million per year would. They leave, the conference is 8.

The Big 12 needs to lock these schools down for long term in order for this to work. Problem I see, is schools like Kansas, Missouri, and Baylor (teams who are usually not good in football) wont  let that happen because they know they have the Big 12 by the balls AND their is a legit shot to make a lot more money. I see a 4-5 year agreement max. This gives those schools a chance to say, "We stuck around and tried to make it work."

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2010, 01:58:55 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 20, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
We all know one thing...money makes the world go round. The Big 12 might be together for now, but when these schools see Colorado & Nebraska each make around 25 million or more in the near future, they will get greedy. Even lowly Indiana made 22 million last year. As the article Bob posted stated, Oklahoma and A&M have each struggled with debt problems in the Athletic Dept. They may be getting 20 million under this new deal, but faced with the possibility of making near 30 million if they are a top notch Big 10/Pac 10 team...it will be very, very tempting.

Ultimately, I don't think Oklahoma, A&M, or Texas will be the deciding factors in the future like they are being made out to be now. I think the key lies with the smaller Big 12 schools (or not-as-good Big 12 schools). The Big 12 has to find a way to keep them happy and its not going to be with money. Under this agreement, they won't make near what they could as a member of a Big/Pac 10 school. Lets say Baylor looks at the Big 10 and thinks, "Hey, we can beat Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern on a consistent basis, schedule some powder puffs, and we're a bowl team almost every year.  And we'll make 15 million more per year?"  Next thing you know the conference is down to 9. Missouri isn't happy. No matter what they say publicly, anyone with a brain knows they will bolt at first chance. 2-3 million extra per year doesn't erase years of frustration. At least not like an extra 15 million per year would. They leave, the conference is 8.

The Big 12 needs to lock these schools down for long term in order for this to work. Problem I see, is schools like Kansas, Missouri, and Baylor (teams who are usually not good in football) wont  let that happen because they know they have the Big 12 by the balls AND their is a legit shot to make a lot more money. I see a 4-5 year agreement max. This gives those schools a chance to say, "We stuck around and tried to make it work."
Interesting thoughts, but why does anyone want Baylor?  The same can be said for anyone else that the Big Ten is looking at from the perspective of the "buyer".

I think that A&M's discussions with the SEC prompted UT to keep the Big XII intact.  UT is already losing talent to LSU and Arkansas.  Why give any larger recruiting toehold to the SEC in the form of an outpost in College Station?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 21, 2010, 06:25:12 PM
From a football competition standpoint, no one would want Baylor...but factor in money and location, and it becomes attractive for a conference, most notably the SEC. The teams always complain that they schedule cupcakes out of conference because their in-conference schedule is too difficult. Bring in Baylor :) Also, it still allows the SEC to branch into Texas.

Plus, if Baylor, Missouri, Kansas wants to leave...someone will take them. These TV networks wont just cover football. The above three are very competitive in basketball and other sports.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2010, 02:05:01 PM
I had a kid who failed 4 quarters but passed his 2 semester exams. One of the quarters he failed, he had a 48% and we had to raise his grade to a 60% per school policy. I was asked to pass this kid for the year by the Academic Dean and the Principal at the end of the year. I refused to, and found out today that they passed him anyway. Even though he passed his 2 exams, the kid had an 82% on his final exam and it was the lowest final exam grade in the class. Its not like I was dragging them through the dirt with a difficult final. This is the first high school I have taught at...is this something that goes on everywhere and I'm making too big a deal out of?

I'm pissed and would like to write a letter to the Superintendent of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati and the state of Ohio.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 26, 2010, 08:05:20 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2010, 02:05:01 PM
I had a kid who failed 4 quarters but passed his 2 semester exams. One of the quarters he failed, he had a 48% and we had to raise his grade to a 60% per school policy. I was asked to pass this kid for the year by the Academic Dean and the Principal at the end of the year. I refused to, and found out today that they passed him anyway. Even though he passed his 2 exams, the kid had an 82% on his final exam and it was the lowest final exam grade in the class. Its not like I was dragging them through the dirt with a difficult final. This is the first high school I have taught at...is this something that goes on everywhere and I'm making too big a deal out of?

I'm pissed and would like to write a letter to the Superintendent of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati and the state of Ohio.

Welcome to Life Lesson 59.5 - every effort made is now acknowledged as consummate success regardless of outcome.  Mediocrity reigns at all levels when emotion trumps reality, and there'll always be some dedicated fool available to pick up the slack.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 26, 2010, 01:14:26 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on June 26, 2010, 08:05:20 AM
Mediocrity reigns at all levels when emotion trumps reality...

an army of dead artists just rolled over several hundred times...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 26, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 26, 2010, 01:14:26 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on June 26, 2010, 08:05:20 AM
Mediocrity reigns at all levels when emotion trumps reality...

an army of dead artists just rolled over several hundred times...

That's good... lay-out position with half twist; degree of difficulty 1.8   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on June 26, 2010, 07:54:44 PM
Drove over to see the new turf field at Franklin yesterday afternoon.  Absolutely beautiful field.  Walked around on it in my bare feet. The team and the school will truly have a facility to be proud of.  Lights have been installed as well.  Would be nice to host a night game or two.  I don't know if my liver could take it.  LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 28, 2010, 12:58:25 PM
After much talk with people about the situation at school, I figure to let sleeping dogs lie. As someone said, I may end up finding myself in hot water while being in a position where I can do very little when its all said in done...kind of like the football team :) It just gets to me that college educated adults, who are in charge of an educational institution, would condone this...and multiple times. She got in a lot of hot water for changing a student's grade last year without consulting the teacher. I figure, just get through next year and find a new job ASAP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 28, 2010, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 28, 2010, 12:58:25 PM
After much talk with people about the situation at school, I figure to let sleeping dogs lie. As someone said, I may end up finding myself in hot water while being in a position where I can do very little when its all said in done...kind of like the football team :) It just gets to me that college educated adults, who are in charge of an educational institution, would condone this...and multiple times. She got in a lot of hot water for changing a student's grade last year without consulting the teacher. I figure, just get through next year and find a new job ASAP.

just like in your marriage (as you SHOULD be doing now).... its called pick your battles.  If you fight every battle, then you'll lose the war.  You dig me?  I'm serious.

Plus, wasn't this par for the course to get most of the retards on your team of PIKERS in college?

if you need to see what a PIKER is, go watch Boiler Room.  THATS Mount St Joe compared to the better school across the Ohio
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 29, 2010, 12:37:43 AM
Many happy returns, "Rock."  I trust you're maintaining the 33 theme, quaffing "Old Latrobe" in mass quantities.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 29, 2010, 06:00:44 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on June 29, 2010, 12:37:43 AM
Many happy returns, "Rock."  I trust you're maintaining the 33 theme, quaffing "Old Latrobe" in mass quantities.  ;D ;)

thank you, sir... nah, not a fan of Rolling Rock for some reason.... But whatever I drink it will be in multiples of 33 ...ha

Damn I'm getting old.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on June 29, 2010, 07:54:00 AM
Quote from: Rock Stickler on June 29, 2010, 06:00:44 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on June 29, 2010, 12:37:43 AM
Many happy returns, "Rock."  I trust you're maintaining the 33 theme, quaffing "Old Latrobe" in mass quantities.  ;D ;)

thank you, sir... nah, not a fan of Rolling Rock for some reason.... But whatever I drink it will be in multiples of 33 ...ha

Damn I'm getting old.

Understand that on all counts.  Turned down the Heinz 57 opportunity from the dragon a year ago, but there's always the next decade to anticipate.  ;) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on July 09, 2010, 11:22:44 AM
Anderson has a good class of freshman coming in that should number over 70...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 22, 2010, 11:01:54 AM
Wouldn't you know it...after years of being an NFL minor league system, teams in the SEC are being investigated. When I left for Columbus for Chris Spielman's camp on Monday, it was only Alabama and Nick Saban referring to Agents as "pimps." Now Florida and Georgia have surfaced. Wouldn't surprise me if a few more get added to the mix. Mike Slive can be referred to by others as a "high Character" person all they want, but he's in charge of the biggest fraud academic-athletic relationship in college sports and he does not care so long as his teams keep winning.

BTW, if you ever have a chance to listen to Chris Spielman speak...I highly recommend it. He's awesome.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 22, 2010, 11:43:29 AM
Don't neglect the orange-clad gaolbreakers from Knoxville Comm College and Prison Farm - will be interesting to watch the evolution of Lane Kiffin under the new regime at SoCal now that Mike Garrett has been relegated to mandatory retirement and Pat, JK, and company oversee the Trojans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 25, 2010, 12:16:40 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2010, 02:05:01 PM
I had a kid who failed 4 quarters but passed his 2 semester exams. One of the quarters he failed, he had a 48% and we had to raise his grade to a 60% per school policy. I was asked to pass this kid for the year by the Academic Dean and the Principal at the end of the year. I refused to, and found out today that they passed him anyway. Even though he passed his 2 exams, the kid had an 82% on his final exam and it was the lowest final exam grade in the class. Its not like I was dragging them through the dirt with a difficult final. This is the first high school I have taught at...is this something that goes on everywhere and I'm making too big a deal out of?

I'm pissed and would like to write a letter to the Superintendent of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati and the state of Ohio.
Sad, but it happens from coast to coast.  I can't even count how many times I had an admin ask me to give "extra credit" to a student with a 25% or "bump them up" so the student doesn't fail. 
Now that I am an admin, that will never be the case.  I enjoy making the PARENT and student accountable for their academic marks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 25, 2010, 02:24:46 PM
You can also add South Carolina to the mix as well. The NCAA needs to come with the Thunder and none of this losing victories and probation crap. Start handing out the "Death Penalty" (i.e. SMU) a few times and/or forcing the schools to repay the millions made and schools will start cleaning up their act. It's amazing how fast things change when you hurt a man's wallet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 27, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on July 22, 2010, 11:43:29 AM
Don't neglect the orange-clad gaolbreakers from Knoxville Comm College and Prison Farm - will be interesting to watch the evolution of Lane Kiffin under the new regime at SoCal now that Mike Garrett has been relegated to mandatory retirement and Pat, JK, and company oversee the Trojans.

Mike Garrett still made alot of money.  He doesn't care... SC was dirty when he played there and they still are.  The consensus out of Los Angeles is there is going to be another shoe drop here.  Pat Hayden is a squeaky clean and smart dude... they are going to need him. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 29, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
Just wanted to pass on some soap opera news here in Louisville about the extortion trial involving U of L basketall coach Rick Pitino.

I wonder if he shot the basketball as quick in college as he said how long the encouter took with the women trying to extort him.(you can find that on page 2 of the article) :o

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100728/NEWS01/307280081/1002/SPORTS/Rick+Pitino+testifies+rape+allegations+just+blackmail++says+Karen+Sypher+wanted+money (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100728/NEWS01/307280081/1002/SPORTS/Rick+Pitino+testifies+rape+allegations+just+blackmail++says+Karen+Sypher+wanted+money)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 03, 2010, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on July 29, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
Just wanted to pass on some soap opera news here in Louisville about the extortion trial involving U of L basketall coach Rick Pitino.

I wonder if he shot the basketball as quick in college as he said how long the encouter took with the women trying to extort him.(you can find that on page 2 of the article) :o

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100728/NEWS01/307280081/1002/SPORTS/Rick+Pitino+testifies+rape+allegations+just+blackmail++says+Karen+Sypher+wanted+money (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100728/NEWS01/307280081/1002/SPORTS/Rick+Pitino+testifies+rape+allegations+just+blackmail++says+Karen+Sypher+wanted+money)

a status i saw on facebook had me cracking up on this topics

"Ok... So Rick Pitino, louisville's basketball coach, is asked today during an extortion trial if he had sex on the night in question. He responds with a " yes but very briefly". That has to be funniest response ever. Even if that's true, what guy admits this on public record. I can't stop laughing."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 05, 2010, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 03, 2010, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on July 29, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
Just wanted to pass on some soap opera news here in Louisville about the extortion trial involving U of L basketall coach Rick Pitino.

I wonder if he shot the basketball as quick in college as he said how long the encouter took with the women trying to extort him.(you can find that on page 2 of the article) :o

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100728/NEWS01/307280081/1002/SPORTS/Rick+Pitino+testifies+rape+allegations+just+blackmail++says+Karen+Sypher+wanted+money (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100728/NEWS01/307280081/1002/SPORTS/Rick+Pitino+testifies+rape+allegations+just+blackmail++says+Karen+Sypher+wanted+money)

a status i saw on facebook had me cracking up on this topics

"Ok... So Rick Pitino, louisville's basketball coach, is asked today during an extortion trial if he had sex on the night in question. He responds with a " yes but very briefly". That has to be funniest response ever. Even if that's true, what guy admits this on public record. I can't stop laughing."

He does seem to favor quick releases off an offensive fast break...  ;D ;D

And an inappropriate, Pitino-linked lyric for the new, Fernandina Grandpa post breakfast at Snookie's in Statesboro...

"... , I'm so fantastic;  Thanks to Freddie, I'm a sexual spastic.
And my name is Bobby Brown - Watch Me Now, I'm goin' down..."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on August 06, 2010, 06:30:39 AM
Rose-Hulman coach Steve Englehart has left to become offensive coordinator at Indiana State.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 06, 2010, 08:52:55 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 03, 2010, 02:58:03 PM


a status i saw on facebook had me cracking up on this topics

"Ok... So Rick Pitino, louisville's basketball coach, is asked today during an extortion trial if he had sex on the night in question. He responds with a " yes but very briefly". That has to be funniest response ever. Even if that's true, what guy admits this on public record. I can't stop laughing."


it may have been my status update on it... I took it down because I was reminded its a family website. 

I mean seriously, was this b!tch serious??  I hope she does some MAJOR time.  Psycho.  She's been trying to shake down dudes since she was 22.   She "fired" 2 lawyers because they didn't see things her way.  Her way, frankly, is scary to single guys --- there's more of them out there like her.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 06, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
Gave a buddy a ride home from Carlo & Jonny's last night (one of Jeff Ruby's steakhouses). My payment was the following:

$36 Filet with crab meat on top
2 Bombay Sapphire and Tonics
A shot of an 18 year old Macallan Scotch - $26
A shot of Johnny Walker Blue, King George the 5th edition - $82

His total bar tab was over $400. I told him I would give him a ride anytime he wanted :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 19, 2010, 07:40:08 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 06, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
Gave a buddy a ride home from Carlo & Jonny's last night (one of Jeff Ruby's steakhouses). My payment was the following:

$36 Filet with crab meat on top
2 Bombay Sapphire and Tonics
A shot of an 18 year old Macallan Scotch - $26
A shot of Johnny Walker Blue, King George the 5th edition - $82

His total bar tab was over $400. I told him I would give him a ride anytime he wanted :)

Geez, Adam - it's only been a year... ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

Been pretty boring, regarding gridiron news on this page, fellas.  This Batswan ex-pat is dependent on y'all for updates in lieu of 24/7 inundation of silky short soccer and an occasional rugby match from West Cape or Pretoria.

Considered the breakdown of this years edition of DC's roster - it appears the recruiters were very busy as retention remains an issue on North Clinton Street.  Time for Prez to reprise his 1993 career and adjust the red lines for his athletes like the housing market?  On second thought...

My old bud, doting grandparent, and yardarm yodeler, JacketsFan should be feeling that warmth down his pant leg with 13 Floridians on the list, or is it his meds?  BTW, belated congrats to Richard and Emily - don't let "Grandpa Joe" blow a gasket taking on the neonatal staffers  - keep him on the Wonka Factory tour! :D

Roster Breakdown: 125

By Class:     Seniors - 11;  Juniors - 14;  Sophs - 23;  Frosh - 77

By State:  OH - 57;  MI - 44;  FL - 13;  IN - 3;  IL, PA, CO, KS, NJ, and Germany - 1 each w/ 2 unknowns

By Off Position:  QB - 5 (4 frosh); RB - 7; WR - 19; TE - 7; OL - 14 (seems thin); K/P - 3; 2 unknowns
By Def Position:  DL - 23; LB - 20; DB - 25

Back to the second half of the Bokke test vs the Wallabies - have a good day!  ;)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 19, 2010, 11:57:12 AM
So who is the front runner for the MSJ QB job???

I was doing my due-dilligence on the 2nd best D3 Team in the Cincy area this morning and read the the preview at www.msjsports.com and thought it was funny they didn't mention #8 on there...so a quick glance to the roster and, welp... here we are.  The good thing is MSJ opens up with a really crappy Wilmington team followed by Anderson (another send it in game) and Bluffton ... so they'll be 3-0 before they play Franklin. 

2600 yards at 62% completion, Mustard had a cannon..  Tabar will miss him, they had good chemistry.  MSJ only attempted 3 passes by players not named Mustard. 

Does this change perception on who the league favorite is??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 24, 2010, 11:10:39 AM
For anyone interested in doing Pick-ems this year, the Week 1 games are posted in the Pick-ems link under "General Football".

Week 1 games actually start next Thursday evening (9/2), so don't wait until Saturday, or you will miss a couple of games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2010, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Sho-nuff on August 19, 2010, 11:57:12 AM
So who is the front runner for the MSJ QB job???

I was doing my due-dilligence on the 2nd best D3 Team in the Cincy area this morning and read the the preview at www.msjsports.com and thought it was funny they didn't mention #8 on there...so a quick glance to the roster and, welp... here we are.  The good thing is MSJ opens up with a really crappy Wilmington team followed by Anderson (another send it in game) and Bluffton ... so they'll be 3-0 before they play Franklin. 

2600 yards at 62% completion, Mustard had a cannon..  Tabar will miss him, they had good chemistry.  MSJ only attempted 3 passes by players not named Mustard. 

Does this change perception on who the league favorite is??

answered my own question by purchasing kickoff ( www.d3football.com/kickoff )... MSJ is loaded at all positions except for QB.  They are going to be counting on someone who worked for P&G to come in and play this year. 

Does anyone know why Mustard is gone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 24, 2010, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: Sho-nuff on August 24, 2010, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Sho-nuff on August 19, 2010, 11:57:12 AM
So who is the front runner for the MSJ QB job???

I was doing my due-dilligence on the 2nd best D3 Team in the Cincy area this morning and read the the preview at www.msjsports.com and thought it was funny they didn't mention #8 on there...so a quick glance to the roster and, welp... here we are.  The good thing is MSJ opens up with a really crappy Wilmington team followed by Anderson (another send it in game) and Bluffton ... so they'll be 3-0 before they play Franklin. 

2600 yards at 62% completion, Mustard had a cannon..  Tabar will miss him, they had good chemistry.  MSJ only attempted 3 passes by players not named Mustard. 

Does this change perception on who the league favorite is??

answered my own question by purchasing kickoff ( www.d3football.com/kickoff )... MSJ is loaded at all positions except for QB.  They are going to be counting on someone who worked for P&G to come in and play this year. 

Does anyone know why Mustard is gone?

Glad we could be of service!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 25, 2010, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 19, 2010, 07:40:08 AM


Been pretty boring, regarding gridiron news on this page, fellas.  This Batswan ex-pat is dependent on y'all for updates in lieu of 24/7 inundation of silky short soccer and an occasional rugby match from West Cape or Pretoria.

Considered the breakdown of this years edition of DC's roster - it appears the recruiters were very busy as retention remains an issue on North Clinton Street.  Time for Prez to reprise his 1993 career and adjust the red lines for his athletes like the housing market?  On second thought...

My old bud, doting grandparent, and yardarm yodeler, JacketsFan should be feeling that warmth down his pant leg with 13 Floridians on the list, or is it his meds?  BTW, belated congrats to Richard and Emily - don't let "Grandpa Joe" blow a gasket taking on the neonatal staffers  - keep him on the Wonka Factory tour! :D

Roster Breakdown: 125

By Class:     Seniors - 11;  Juniors - 14;  Sophs - 23;  Frosh - 77

By State:  OH - 57;  MI - 44;  FL - 13;  IN - 3;  IL, PA, CO, KS, NJ, and Germany - 1 each w/ 2 unknowns

By Off Position:  QB - 5 (4 frosh); RB - 7; WR - 19; TE - 7; OL - 14 (seems thin); K/P - 3; 2 unknowns
By Def Position:  DL - 23; LB - 20; DB - 25

Back to the second half of the Bokke test vs the Wallabies - have a good day!  ;)


Thanks for the breakdown!  Seeing the OL at 14 is very troublesome, especially if they lose any to quitting or injury.  Without an OLine then the offense is going to be in trouble.  I did like to see the size of some of those freshman OL though. 
Glad to see some numbers in the QB slot.  It's still Powell's offense, but it will be good to hopefully have one of those frosh take over after Powell graduates.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 25, 2010, 03:28:21 PM
Has_been - we had as low as 9 on the OL and maybe high as 15.  13 is not bad for DC and that is before all of those Fatty Dline LB's and Tight Ends get moved over to Oline there are usually a few of those every year.  if you notice those positions are rediculously heavy.

only realy men come in an say i want to play oline.  the other half of the oline figures it out when they realize they are no longer considered an athlete now that they are at the college level.  which is OK when they realize it means you can eat at lots of buffets, dirnk beer, and be nasty.

there was a big transformation on this roster that we can thank the president for.  2 years ago the team was 95% Ohio and Michigan and 5% indiana and got completly out of FL and other states.  DC needs the talent that comes from out of state and the president opened up the checkbook and allowed the recruiting to happen.  the President wants to win and it has been since the mid 90's since you could say that and i cant think of a time when the president supported the program on a daily basis like he does.  President Harris was really good, i think Gordon goes to every practice....he is a fan
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 25, 2010, 04:42:21 PM
Big Lou, good points made!  Hopefully they'll build an oline like we had when we were there. From your senior year through a couple of years afterwards, we had a strong ground game.  We didn't utilize it properly during my our first couple of years there, but it was till big strong and nasty.  Even though I was a TE, once I figured out how to play the postion it was great lining up in the trenches.
It is great to see DC's Prez putting some effort towards the football program.  It truly helps the atmosphere even at the little schools.  Plus, it will help up enrollment which I believe they are trying to do at DC. 
Harris was always great with us.  I used to enjoy him coming in grays and lifting with us during the season!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 26, 2010, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 25, 2010, 04:42:21 PM
Big Lou, good points made!  Hopefully they'll build an oline like we had when we were there. From your senior year through a couple of years afterwards, we had a strong ground game.  We didn't utilize it properly during my our first couple of years there, but it was till big strong and nasty.  Even though I was a TE, once I figured out how to play the postion it was great lining up in the trenches.
It is great to see DC's Prez putting some effort towards the football program.  It truly helps the atmosphere even at the little schools.  Plus, it will help up enrollment which I believe they are trying to do at DC. 
Harris was always great with us.  I used to enjoy him coming in grays and lifting with us during the season!

Funny...i was talking smack about all of the High School All-Americans who realize that they are no longer the athlete they think they are and are moved to the line.

I completely forgot that you were a RB who had quality speed and became a TE!  i cant believe i forgot all about teaching you how to man-up!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 27, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
Lou,
I think going from 190 to 225 in one year and eventually pushing 245 at 6'3" helped get me moved from RB to TE.  Thank goodness I still kept some speed so I didn't get moved completely to oline :D.
I will give you a lot of credit for teaching me a whole lot in college, especially how to talk TONS of smack down in the trenches! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on September 01, 2010, 11:00:56 AM
Just a heads up that the CCIW pick ems have started for this year.  If you wish to participate, the more the merrier.  Come join us!

For the rules, you can see Mugsy's post #672 on the CCIW pick em page.  Please note:  Picks are due this week by Friday at 5 PM (Central Time) due to the Friday Night Augustana game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2010, 09:34:35 PM
Just a reminder - 2 HCAC-related games tomorrow night, so get your picks made if you're playing so you don't miss out on a couple of points.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 03, 2010, 12:07:28 AM
Well, it doesn't look like Manchester or Anderson are going to pose any major threat to the status quo this season.  Not a good opening night for those teams.

Trine 55
Manchester 7

Taylor 42
Anderson 20
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2010, 12:46:29 AM
Hate to say it, but those games were mulligans.  Trine is top 25 team and Taylor is a much improved program as our beloved HCAC schools that played tonight aren't there.  With that said, how does everyone feel the HCAC will fare against nonconference teams this year?  Myself am worried about the strength of the conference.  We had the year where Franklin and MSJ were very respectable teams, but I'm not seeing this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 04, 2010, 02:45:35 PM
DC gets first 1st down with 9:06 left in 3rd quarter and then Powell throws an INT next play.  Announcers are saying that he is playing awful.  Time to warm up the 2nd stringer.  D is doing a great job considering the O is doing nothing in the pass and run game.  Lot's of mistakes on both ends with penalties too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 04, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
Powell steps up HUGE after playing awful the whole game and leads DC down the field running and throwing, ending with a TD throw bringing the score to 10-7 in the 3rd.  I guess that's why Taylor's the coach and I'm not b/c he stuck with Powell and Powell stepped up!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 05, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 03, 2010, 12:46:29 AM
Hate to say it, but those games were mulligans.  Trine is top 25 team and Taylor is a much improved program as our beloved HCAC schools that played tonight aren't there.  With that said, how does everyone feel the HCAC will fare against nonconference teams this year?  Myself am worried about the strength of the conference.  We had the year where Franklin and MSJ were very respectable teams, but I'm not seeing this year.

I would say that Franklin and MSJ are still considered respectable out of conference.  Franklin typically schedules strong non conference opponents and has been successful and/pr competitive most of the time. (Butler, Wabash, Baldwin Wallace, Carthage, Trine the last 3 years, and Butler and Mount Union in 2012 and 2013)  Carthage is a a solid team in one of the top 3-4 conferences and Valporaiso while a bottom feeder in its conference is in the 1A non-scholarship conference with Butler, Dayton, etc. 

MSJ plays Thomas More every season (typically a strong team).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 05, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
I don't know, Hanover had, although not a particularly strong showing, a win over Centre on Saturday. They were predicted to be the SCAC's second best team according to the coaches. And the SCAC has some good power at the top. I was a little surprised by the scoreline, but maybe the Panthers will surprise some people in the HCAC and finish near the top. I still think they're a year or two away from competing for the championship. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 05, 2010, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on September 05, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
I don't know, Hanover had, although not a particularly strong showing, a win over Centre on Saturday. They were predicted to be the SCAC's second best team according to the coaches. And the SCAC has some good power at the top. I was a little surprised by the scoreline, but maybe the Panthers will surprise some people in the HCAC and finish near the top. I still think they're a year or two away from competing for the championship. 

I for one will be glad to see Hanover competitive again While it was fun to pound them after being on the short end for a long time, it would be a lot more fun to have a full scale war the last week of the season.  Five wins in a row and non really in doubt gets boring after a while.  Plus Hanover might be able to snag some recruits away from MSJ. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2010, 11:28:30 PM
Hanover did surprise me, but they have been rebuilding and it looks they are turning the corner a littler earlier than I anticipated. 
I will not give Franklin a plus for scheduling Valpo.  Just because they are DIAA doesn't mean squat unless they are an actual good DIAA school.  Butler has had one good season so far, but they are still playing DIII schools at the mid level of DIII.  Play a UWWhitewater or Mount Union and I would bet they'd get waxed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 06, 2010, 12:17:33 AM
That is true, but in all fairness I might take UWW or MUC against my latest alma-mater WKU. I have watched all three play and for goodness sake UWW and MUC are great football teams regardless of division. Western just didn't look poised at anything, they didn't "look like they've been there". I think confidence is a dangerous thing in a football team, and MUC and UWW should have it.

Which leads to the next point, hopefully Hanover can gain a little from this win, it would be nice to see three good teams in the HCAC. I think MSJ and Franklin are there and I think there are about four programs sitting behind them to take the next step.

Oh, also, did the NCAC pay the HCAC to take Earlham? From a purely football standpoint, it seems the NCAC made out like a bandit and the HCAC just took another cellar dweller. DePauw > Earlham in virtually all sports, and on the academic side of things. In fact it doesn't bode well at all when a team switches conferences just to save money. That would seem to be ill omened to me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 06, 2010, 06:19:28 AM
Quote from: maripp2002 on September 06, 2010, 12:17:33 AM

Oh, also, did the NCAC pay the HCAC to take Earlham? From a purely football standpoint, it seems the NCAC made out like a bandit and the HCAC just took another cellar dweller. DePauw > Earlham in virtually all sports, and on the academic side of things. In fact it doesn't bode well at all when a team switches conferences just to save money. That would seem to be ill omened to me.

Don't know that I'd read so much into a change in conference affiliation. 

The HCAC gained an additional member, and while Earlham's athletics aren't stellar, the conference averages in endowment levels and academic cred are definitely raised - Hanover, Rose, and Transy have been carrying that burden for quite a while.  This is DIII, afterall, and not the SEC.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2010, 09:29:24 AM
Another surprising result from this past weekend - Bluffton beating Kalamazoo.  Not that Kalamazoo is formidable, but generally any win for Bluffton is a good win.  Could Bluffton be a surprise team this year and finish with a .500 record or better?

Also, very good win for Hanover - Centre, while not playoff caliber, has been a consistent middle-tier team in the SCAC, which has some pretty good teams.  They don't appear to be a gimme for Franklin or MSJ anymore.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 06, 2010, 10:14:34 AM
The Beavers snapped a 17 game losing streak with their win over K-Zoo on Saturday.

(Next up for the Beavers is Trine... YIKES!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2010, 01:57:09 PM
I agree about Bluffton, a big win for their program.  They could very well go 5-5 this season.  Aside from Franklin & MSJ & possible Hanover the bottom is up for grabs!
I would like to add DC to the list, but until they get their offense going they will really struggle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 06, 2010, 11:32:36 PM
Right now the HCAC looks like it could have one or two front runners and a big pack of "good" teams. I look for it to be a really exciting season with the kind of depth there is in the conference this year. And of course let's just sit and see how the season progresses, you never know who gets a little momentum and who fizzles.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2010, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 05, 2010, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on September 05, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
I don't know, Hanover had, although not a particularly strong showing, a win over Centre on Saturday. They were predicted to be the SCAC's second best team according to the coaches. And the SCAC has some good power at the top. I was a little surprised by the scoreline, but maybe the Panthers will surprise some people in the HCAC and finish near the top. I still think they're a year or two away from competing for the championship. 

I for one will be glad to see Hanover competitive again While it was fun to pound them after being on the short end for a long time, it would be a lot more fun to have a full scale war the last week of the season.  Five wins in a row and non really in doubt gets boring after a while.  Plus Hanover might be able to snag some recruits away from MSJ. 

MSJ doesn't own Cincy anymore... thats Thomas More territory now.  Check out the sophomore Pre-Season All American DB, who started as a freshman.  They loaded up on recruits again this off season.  Because of Hanover's offense, I'm a little nervous that TMC didn't get to play someone before they play Hanover, but it will be ok.  The TMC defense is very very fast and will be fine after 10 minutes of play in Madison. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2010, 11:08:56 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 05, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 03, 2010, 12:46:29 AM
Hate to say it, but those games were mulligans.  Trine is top 25 team and Taylor is a much improved program as our beloved HCAC schools that played tonight aren't there.  With that said, how does everyone feel the HCAC will fare against nonconference teams this year?  Myself am worried about the strength of the conference.  We had the year where Franklin and MSJ were very respectable teams, but I'm not seeing this year.

I would say that Franklin and MSJ are still considered respectable out of conference.  Franklin typically schedules strong non conference opponents and has been successful and/pr competitive most of the time. (Butler, Wabash, Baldwin Wallace, Carthage, Trine the last 3 years, and Butler and Mount Union in 2012 and 2013)  Carthage is a a solid team in one of the top 3-4 conferences and Valporaiso while a bottom feeder in its conference is in the 1A non-scholarship conference with Butler, Dayton, etc. 

MSJ plays Thomas More every season (typically a strong team).

Yeah, I get on Sayer about MSJ's OOC schedule to start the season.. Wilma HAS to go if they want to get better.  Look at Hanover.. used to be W&J and TMC to start, now in 2010 its Centre and TMC.  They stepped up. 

I'm hearing rumblings that if W&J leaves the PAC, TMC will probably look to the HCAC again.  That should help the profile of the HCAC more than anything possible at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 08, 2010, 08:25:49 PM
Yeah, I get on Sayer about MSJ's OOC schedule to start the season.. Wilma HAS to go if they want to get better.  Look at Hanover.. used to be W&J and TMC to start, now in 2010 its Centre and TMC.  They stepped up. 

I'm hearing rumblings that if W&J leaves the PAC, TMC will probably look to the HCAC again.  That should help the profile of the HCAC more than anything possible at this point.
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I agree it is time for MSJ to step up and take a chance. If TMC were to ultimately join the conference that would be good for all. While FC and MSJ wouldnt have an easy path like they have lately, an improved and competitive Hanover along with TMC would certainly make for more interesting saturdays.  A more balanced conference like the CCIW is the way to go IMO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 10, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
Good luck to all the HCAC teams playing out of conference this weekend. It would be nice to see Hanover play a good game, and maybe help old TMC realize what they've been missing in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2010, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on September 10, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
Good luck to all the HCAC teams playing out of conference this weekend. It would be nice to see Hanover play a good game, and maybe help old TMC realize what they've been missing in the HCAC.

TMC reloaded for 2010... sophomore QB Kues and freshman RB Haydon were each over 85 yards on the ground (110 and 5 TDs for the RB and 85 and 1 TD for Kues).. if they get Kendall Owens going, the offense will be very hard to defend.

Defensively, the name of the game is speed... I'm impressed because TMC was playing their opener and Hanover beat a decent Centre squad last week in Danville. 


56-12
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 11, 2010, 04:44:37 PM
I agree that TMC dominated that game, but while I was following the game it seemed like Hanover just kept turning it over. Undoubtedly TMC capitalized, the sign of a good team, but when they just keep giving you the ball you really should. Ugh, I guess we learned a lot about how far HC has to go.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 11, 2010, 04:47:44 PM
Ouch!  56-12 is a beating!  Still, Hanover is will still have a good season and they are getting better each year trying to get back to where they were.  TMC has been a very good team over the years and especially this year considering they are ranked 15th too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2010, 08:15:01 PM
I thought the same, MARipp... but TMC was causing them to turn it over (interceptions) through their pressure and making those plays.  Hanover still passed for 233 yards but Hanover only managed 43 total yards through 3 quarters against the 1st team defense. 

The offense was a machine today.. Haydon is going to be a star...  all in all, they had two freshman RB's get TD's today in addition to Kendall Owens their Junior TB... the recruiting is really paying off .  

Next week they get tested @ Geneva.. who has a good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2010, 08:19:20 PM
or how about Bluffton today... 76-6????  wow
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 11, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Matt Land (Trine's head coach) was my HS offensive coordinator and my wrestling coach, and so to see a score like 76 doesn't surprise me in the least. I really doubt Trine outmatched them as much as the score indicated, but I also don't see Trine (i.e. Land) stepping off the gas under any situation. Excessive or not (and I do believe that is way beyond good taste) that is the kind of team they're aiming to be - not just beat you but crush your soul and then hook up with your sister.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 12, 2010, 08:02:53 AM
Quote from: maripp2002 on September 11, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Matt Land (Trine's head coach) was my HS offensive coordinator and my wrestling coach, and so to see a score like 76 doesn't surprise me in the least. I really doubt Trine outmatched them as much as the score indicated, but I also don't see Trine (i.e. Land) stepping off the gas under any situation. Excessive or not (and I do believe that is way beyond good taste) that is the kind of team they're aiming to be - not just beat you but crush your soul and then hook up with your sister.

Offensive starters were pretty well out by second series in the third quarter.  Bluffton was outmatched and outskilled at every position.  Trine played a lot of players. The Beavers are just no where near Trine's level at this time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 12, 2010, 09:02:24 AM
Quote from: maripp2002 on September 11, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Excessive or not (and I do believe that is way beyond good taste) that is the kind of team they're aiming to be - not just beat you but crush your soul and then hook up with your sister.

As one who grew up near Angola, sister hook-ups were more a norm than exception.   ;D  "We'll meet you at Charlie's in Hicksville."

Hang in there BUBeaver - better times are ahead for both Bluffton and Defiance.  New motto for lower tier HCAC squads will be TGFE - "Thank goodness for Earlham."   ;)  Lord, did DC screw the pooch again, though I have to give kudos to the SID or writer for positive reinforcement on the website composition.  Definitive silver lining description with Powell's second TD "narrowing the gap" - though to three TD possessions, from 33-7 to 33-14 in the 4th.  ::)

Where's my buds, JacketsFan and JacketBacker?  "Ethel - we're going to New York."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 12, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
Any thoughts on the DPU and Rose game? I had heard that the team looked a bit disorganized after coach Englehart left, but did they look really bad or did DPU look really good? They've had a recent streak of decent seasons but I want to wait and reserve judgement until I hear more.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 12, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
Cave,

You're kidding about better times are ahead for Defiance, right? Unless you're referring to basketball.

0-2 and the offense is pretty much pitiful. Same old story it seems every fall.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 13, 2010, 02:43:08 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 12, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
Cave,

You're kidding about better times are ahead for Defiance, right? Unless you're referring to basketball.

0-2 and the offense is pretty much pitiful. Same old story it seems every fall.

Actually thinking about joining in Rose, Transy, and Hanover in the pool come 2011.  Big doins' at the Defiance Y and long overdue - and then there's always Earlham.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 13, 2010, 08:06:10 PM
Except for Franklin and MSJ, the HCAC seems to be about as uncompetitive as I can recall. Makes for some boring football if you are a FC fan.  Hanover is on its way up I guess but seems to be a slow evolution.  Reminds me of the Big Ten prior to Wisconsin, Iowa, and Penn State being good every year.  One big game a year to decide the conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2010, 09:33:02 PM
QuoteMSJ doesn't own Cincy anymore... thats Thomas More territory now.  Check out the sophomore Pre-Season All American DB, who started as a freshman.  They loaded up on recruits again this off season. 

I said last year after DePauw played TMC in the playoffs that is a program on the rise. Had some nice athletes and speed on both sides of the ball...quicker than most if not all SCAC teams, including Millsaps IMHO. Facilities, location and pipeline to Cincy area high schools would seem to be a nice foundation for a program there.     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 14, 2010, 12:56:00 PM
JacketsBacker, DC is obviously going to have a rought 2010 season, but with the Prez pushing athletics and the recruitment going down south again, as 70_dc_alum pointed out awhile back, DC is on the right track and see them back at the top in a few years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 15, 2010, 10:03:10 AM
Cave...JacketsFan is around but his commentary still is not allowed to be posted in public becuase he follows the if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all :) from what he sends me he still has a couple weeks!!

you have to be able to throw the ball...it clearely after 2 years powell cant.  start trying different QB's you never know.  i would try at practice who can throw a spiral with a little zip becuase that would be somehting we have not seen in a while.  it reminds me of 97 and 98 where we averaged more INT's than completions finally yanked the starter against adrian with his first bad INT and let a receiver play the rest of the game at QB.  we went through mulitple others until finally they threw in the fat guy who was 6 or 7th string for the Adrian game.  he only went on to win 6 of his first 7 games and was a 4 year starter with 1 playoff run.  you talk to any of the coaches they would have told you during camp that he would never play and eventually said F'it and cant be worse than the last 5 QB's.  immediately took command of the huddle.  Normally i go by the motto that a defenses goal is to kill the starting QB becuase the backup is a backup for a reason, i question that for DC right now :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
Well put 70!  There are four other qb's still on the roster, maybe one can do something positive in the pass game.  That is something DC does have to get going if they want to make any noise in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 15, 2010, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 15, 2010, 10:03:10 AM
Cave...JacketsFan is around but his commentary still is not allowed to be posted in public becuase he follows the if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all :) from what he sends me he still has a couple weeks!!

Have to agree on the subject of JacketsFan. A couple weeks might be putting it mildly though. I was thinking more like 7 or 8 weeks.  ;D

It's been a frustrating start to 2010 no doubt about it. Jackets need to get some momentum going with Franklin coming to town next week. I'd say DC is at a critical point in its season ... things can start really snowballing and the wheels come off or they decide to dig in and fight out of the hole they've created.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2010, 12:30:42 PM
Jackets Backer, I think they should probably focus on Hanover this week before worrying about Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
hasbeen i have a conference in San Diego starting on Sunday 10/24.  if i come into town on Sat the 23rd can you roll to San Diego and we can have a good ol time?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 17, 2010, 08:29:12 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
hasbeen i have a conference in San Diego starting on Sunday 10/24.  if i come into town on Sat the 23rd can you roll to San Diego and we can have a good ol time?

my flight gets in at 7:14pm on Saturday if you want to roll down, if not i got plenty of work things going on too
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 17, 2010, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 15, 2010, 12:30:42 PM
Jackets Backer, I think they should probably focus on Hanover this week before worrying about Franklin.

That was my point. They need to start gaining some momentum and it starts this week with Hanover. I didn't mean to look ahead to Franklin because DC will have its hands full with Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 17, 2010, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
hasbeen i have a conference in San Diego starting on Sunday 10/24.  if i come into town on Sat the 23rd can you roll to San Diego and we can have a good ol time?
I'm liking the sound of that!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 18, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
my apologies to DC...i was thinking that they were going to get beat up by Hanover but a 2TD lead late in the 4th quarter.  Congrats this is a good win to get momentum with a tough one in Franklin next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 18, 2010, 03:54:13 PM
bluffton looks like a youth football team out there!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 18, 2010, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 18, 2010, 03:53:17 PM
my apologies to DC...i was thinking that they were going to get beat up by Hanover but a 2TD lead late in the 4th quarter.  Congrats this is a good win to get momentum with a tough one in Franklin next week.

Agree on the momentum shift but certainly question the need to apologize  ;D  Last week was "Mr. Hyde" at QB, and this week was "Dr. Jekyll" as his running dissected the Panther "D."  Not much else in the offensive stat sheet that wasn't, well, mediocre.  Will be interesting to see what chapter is written against the Griz in Johnson County.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 18, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
Thomas More's freshman RB scored 4 more TD's today on the ground and has 9 through two games.  I think I read somewhere that he had an unreal number of TD's in Highschool.  TMC beats Geneva 36-20 in Beaver Falls.

Showdown with W&J set for next week at Bank of Kentucky Stadium.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 19, 2010, 12:14:11 PM
I will say this much about the conference this year - it is wide open. It seems there is a top tier consisting of Franklin and MSJ and then there is everyone else. I would be very surprised if any team makes it out unscathed, it just seems like that kind of year. Although I wasn't sold on Rose after that first game v. DPU - I think they are the surprise team in this one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2010, 08:31:23 PM
i dont know if i would go Mr Hyde, he only had about 115 yds passing.  he was just a got RB against a bad run D.  they are going to need to run the ball against Franklin but also will need well north of 200Yds passing with a lot of points on the board to have a chance with the Griz.  Franklin is a damn good team for this HCAC and you wont win being 1 dimensional.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 20, 2010, 08:38:33 AM
Since I didn't watch the game I'm guessing Powell's throws are short yardage throws considering he was averaging 6.7 yards a completion and the longest gain for the game was 14 yards?  I'm fine with that, but then the receivers are going to need to step up and make some plays and get some YAC if that's the case.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 21, 2010, 09:09:26 AM
Read something that was funny!  The last time Ohio State lost to another Ohio team was in 1921 and it was against Oberlin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 21, 2010, 07:41:05 PM
No chatter on here about the MSJ and Anderson game last week.  Box score shows five picks for the MSJ QB and a last minute drive to win.  Was a little shocked to see that.  Isn't MSJ the favorite for the HCAC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 21, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
I wouldn't say "favorite," as I stated earlier I think this conference is wide open. IMHO no one is running the table. Franklin already has the loss to Carthage, and they might run the table, but there is too much inconsistency early on to get a read on the rest of the conference. Forget HCAC- this year it is the Jekyll and Hyde league, which team comes to play each Saturday will go a long way toward determining who gets the playoff bid this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 22, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
I think that Franklin has it more dialed in than that.  Next two weeks will tell.  Defiance had a nice win and should have some confidence this Saturday.  Not sure what make of MSJ.  Nothing impressive so far but they will be jacked up on 10/2.  I expect a close battle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2010, 08:07:06 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100923/SPT/9240372/1055/NEWS/Hayden-gives-Thomas-More-an-edge
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2010, 08:56:45 AM
TM seems to loaded and ready for another clean run through the season Saints Fan.  Unless MSJ gets better, TM should have no trouble later this year in the Bridge Bowl.  I may have to eat my words, but having seen Franklin at al three games this year, the GRIZ are back to form after last years "rebuilding".  FC lost to Carthage in Kenosha but the Redmen are solid 3-0, have a great QB and FC made several unforced errors in a close game.  Since then 49-7 and 56-9 beat downs.

Good luck to the Saints in the first big test of 2010
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 24, 2010, 10:22:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 21, 2010, 09:09:26 AM
Read something that was funny!  The last time Ohio State lost to another Ohio team was in 1921 and it was against Oberlin.

Funny i think that was also the last time Ohio State lost to Michigan
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 24, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
http://blog.blockonation.com/

It's been 2,498 days actually  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on September 25, 2010, 05:27:19 PM
Another crazy week for Hanover and Rose. I think those two are going to be playing it out for third, but I can't get a bead on either. Although Hanover's offense looked great this week, and Rose had some big plays - big plays don't win games just keep you in them.

On a side note, Franklin - wow it is going to be a tough season for anyone having to line up opposite the Grizz. That first game at Carthage might have put a chip on their shoulders. And I say watch out for next week MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 25, 2010, 07:20:49 PM
42-7 Griz beat Yellow Jackets in every phase of the game.  Defiance crossed the 50 three times.  Lone score result of FC fumble inside own 10 in last 2 minutes of the game. MSJ up next
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 26, 2010, 02:55:59 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 25, 2010, 07:20:49 PM
42-7 Griz beat Yellow Jackets in every phase of the game.  Defiance crossed the 50 three times.  Lone score result of FC fumble inside own 10 in last 2 minutes of the game. MSJ up next

Another year, and morning razzings via Skype from the family dinosaurs (Franklin '41, '42, and '48).  Congrats to Franklin on a dominating performance!

Appears that da Prez needs to scrap the ice cream, study table for the six aspiring (or is that aspirating...) students mentioned in his last schtick.  Drag RT and his ragtag mob of n'er do wells to the garage for a hot sauce bolus via cattle prod - in keeping with the Reverend Plant's "Let's Get Fired Up" homecoming theme.  Frankly, "autumn harvest" might be more appropriate, "canning the vegetables and fruits," plowing under the weeds, and refertilizing (beyond the routine, manure spreading) for next year.  ;)

Upon review of a 1973 Defender article, poetic justice the aforementioned head of alumni relations has assumed the same mantle (and weekend theme) exorcised as a hand-wringing, student head of homecoming festivities back in the dark ages.  Sincerely hope he has more success this time around.  As to football, the Alpha Xi reunion might be more exciting - cuddled up on a bed together, watching Look Who's Talking II like in 1994.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 26, 2010, 09:23:44 AM
Cave2Bens...a classic
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 26, 2010, 01:04:58 PM
"Griz beat the Jackets in every phase of the game."

Really? Were the Jackets even there? Ohhhhhh, you mean that team with the purple and gold uniforms? I have an idea. Instead of calling themselves the Yellow Jackets, they should change their names to the Straight Jackets, as in you can't do doodly when you tie your own hands behind your back. But, as long as the head inmate is running the asylum, the rest of the gang is going to keep getting its weekly treatment of electro-shock therapy. Like cave2bens says, and probably will a cattle prod inserted in the hindmost.

Good afternoon, my merry band of miscreants, ne'er do wells and blackguards. Tidings from the land down under, where Spurrier once reigned supreme but of late, King Urban does. Bob, how the hell are you, my friend? Did you get my e-mail a couple of weeks ago. I am greatly enjoying your previous record collection, by the way.

Grandparenthood is awesome. The young'un, offspring of former DC tackle #92 and his lovely lady, tips the growth charts in the 98th percentile in height and weight. Two months old this week and already 24 inches long and nearly 18 pounds. He's now being weaned onto a steady diet of SEC formula and it is daddy's and his papa's (not to mention his mama and his grandmother's) fervent desire that he will be in full pads and attending two a days by the time he starts walking.

What can I say about DC? Did anyone actually think things would improve?  No quarterback, no offense, tepid and predictable coaching. I'm reminded of that old tune by Talking Heads, with the refrain, "Same as it ever was."

Anyway, it's good to be back. I hope this finds all of you well and in good spirits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 26, 2010, 03:07:45 PM
A lovely evening of surprises - the effervescent ScotsLass finally emerges from lurker status on the NCAC board after a two-year hiatus, and then tonight, just as ready to crash out, a scruffy, Fernandina brigand scraps his "hole in the water" and slobber-smeared "T" to grace the HCAC blogosphere with his unique prose and blunt assessments.

No vipers, but one "spitting" elapid, along with numerous lizards, including a 30" monitor - then there is the wife...

Good to have you back, Joe - it's been rather tame.  Have had the Yellow Shark CD for quite some time, and glad the old vinyl is getting appropriate use.  'Juked by a baby octopus and spewed upon with creamed corn"

Defiance needs to emerge from the ELP-Jersusalem syndrome and rediscover MC5's "Motor City's Burnin'" mantle or "Studebaker Hawk."  I'm ready for a big hit single with a bullet...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 26, 2010, 09:05:18 PM
Cave and JacketsFan are always good for a laugh. your assessments are right on the money. That was a pitiful showing Saturday against the Grizz. I remember the days when DC actually competed with Franklin and MSJ, but the Jackets don't even come close to competing anymore.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 27, 2010, 08:17:39 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 26, 2010, 01:04:58 PM
Grandparenthood is awesome. The young'un, offspring of former DC tackle #92 and his lovely lady, tips the growth charts in the 98th percentile in height and weight. Two months old this week and already 24 inches long and nearly 18 pounds. He's now being weaned onto a steady diet of SEC formula and it is daddy's and his papa's (not to mention his mama and his grandmother's) fervent desire that he will be in full pads and attending two a days by the time he starts walking.


Rumor has it he is #1 on Franklin's recruiting list for the year 2028. ;D

Congrats on Grandparenthood, we have three granddaughters and are still waiting for the first grandson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 03, 2010, 12:40:37 AM
I will keep it short  FC 41 MSJ 10  TEAM GRIZ dominates every phase of the game.  41-3 until late MSJ TD when second and third string were playing.  Good road crowd for Franklin (matched the MSJ crowd).  Third consecutive win for FC at MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 04, 2010, 11:45:15 AM
Griz look destined for a conf. championship at this point but it's officially open season for 2nd place now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
I'm going to agree that 2nd place is up for grabs.  No one has really stepped up and showed who it is going to be.  I would still have to put MSJ as the favorite for second, but they seem to be having some issues this season and not playing to their potential. 
For Franklin, I'm sure they are going to run away with the HCAC crown this year.  It will be interesting to see how they do when playoff time comes.  I'm sure they would like a rematch vs. Carthage.  The loss is going to hurt them when  they get seeded (assuming they win out) b/c they aren't going to get much help from the rest of the HCAC unless MSJ beats TMC in the last week of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 04, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
unless MSJ beats TMC in the last week of the season.

????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 04, 2010, 03:23:37 PM
I have to agree with Saints Fan on that one. At least on paper and by the Polls TM is a bit ahead of FC talentwise.

The MSJ team I saw was a shell of its former self.  The QB doesnt seem to be able to see the field and both lines were dominated.  Running game was non-existent for the most part.  
Team chemistry seemed to be an issue for MSJ as well.  From my vantage point, body language from both the players and coaches by the 3rd quarter indicated they had conceded.

Good point above about having the Carthage game back. FC made a few self inflicted errors in that one that cost them the lead and the game.  9-1 from the HCAC rarely will get you a home field or a seed better than 4 or 5.  I predict a 5 or worse assuming Trine, Wheaton/NCC, Bash/Wittenberg, etc win out.  A weak MSJ team doesnt help in the quality win dept either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on October 04, 2010, 04:00:11 PM
The Carthage game hurts even more now since Carthage lost to NCC 43-8 this past weekend. 

I would love to see another NCC v. FC playoff game -- the first two were instant classics.  We just need to make sure that Chad Rupp isn't anywhere near the field when the game starts.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 04, 2010, 04:35:44 PM
Carthage still has Wheaton and IWU.  At best the Redmen will probably be 1-1 or maybe even 0-2 in those contests.  GRIZ stength of schedule is trending south at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 05:11:33 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 04, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
unless MSJ beats TMC in the last week of the season.

????
Kevin,
I knew I would get a response from you when I wrote that. 
I know the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none, but I was saying that if that would occur than it could possibly boost Franklin's postion for playoff postion.
Griz,
I agree, even if Franklin wins out then they will probably receive a 4-5 seed, maybe even a 6-7 coming from a weak conference.  I really hate to bag on the HCAC being weak, but they aren't looking up to par to past recent seasons (i.e. 2007-2008).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 05, 2010, 07:25:05 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
I'm going to agree that 2nd place is up for grabs.  No one has really stepped up and showed who it is going to be.

Can't resist the urge to be soulful (or maybe sole full  ;)), but appears that rest of the conference "has stepped in it."

"Number two is crap."  southparkstudios.com/clips/155658/?searchterm=+number+two  (http://southparkstudios.com/clips/155658/?searchterm=+number+two)

;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2010, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 05:11:33 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 04, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 04, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
unless MSJ beats TMC in the last week of the season.

????
Kevin,
I knew I would get a response from you when I wrote that.  
I know the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none, but I was saying that if that would occur than it could possibly boost Franklin's postion for playoff postion.
Griz,
I agree, even if Franklin wins out then they will probably receive a 4-5 seed, maybe even a 6-7 coming from a weak conference.  I really hate to bag on the HCAC being weak, but they aren't looking up to par to past recent seasons (i.e. 2007-2008).

Sorry Plonk... that grabbed my eye.  They said their best shot was last year at MSJ.  We saw how that turned out.  This year, for those of you who care, TMC's defense is even faster this year... they were leading the nation in sacks going into last week with 17 (the next closest had 12) and they make teams turn it over.  TMC's new QB is coming along nicely, and their FB scored 138 TD's in High School and is a load... After getting pounded on by him, 4 teams have forgotten about Kendall Owens, who can turn any loss yardage play into a highlight reel TD.   TMC is getting really great athlete's and Hilvert and crew is coaching them up very well.  They had a football alumni event and the old school alums (myself included) were beaming on Saturday.  Great stadium now, great staff and kids that can flat out play because they are being coached up.  They'll take the next step and threaten a final 4 appearance while Kues is the QB.

MSJ has a QB who was out of football last year... they'll need to GREATLY simplify their offense for those 8 new starters or the Bridge Bowl is going to be the only meaningful game left for them.  They have some very good players on defense, but those guys don't have enough time in the day to get in shape enough for how much they've been left on the field.  I feel badly for a couple of the coaches they have over there... I know they have got to be frustrated.  Keep in mind, I'm a MSJ fan for 9 weeks of the year.  They are just inexperienced this year --- when they get that experience, then we'll be able to talk about their talent... every situation they are in, is new for the most part.... especially this losing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2010, 09:07:18 AM
In the event FC wins out (more than likely) and TM wins out (certainly doable) possibly FC could be sent to Crestview, KY for the first round?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
72 hrs to kick-off between MSJ and DC - no banter, no Sayer (unless beating the Bugeye drum, waiting to dot the script), no witticism?  Pick the board up JacketsFan - let's abuse 'Backer or sumthin'.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 06, 2010, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2010, 09:07:18 AM
In the event FC wins out (more than likely) and TM wins out (certainly doable) possibly FC could be sent to Crestview, KY for the first round?

The NCAA sent DePauw and Thomas More to the South region last year - doesn't necessarily mean they would do it again this year, but that is the likelihood.  My favorites for Franklin's opponent right now (again, assuming they win out) would be the Wabash/Wittenberg winner.  My picks today for the top half of the North Bracket would be Mount Union, Trine, Wheaton/North Central winner, and the Wabash/Wittenberg winner.  The bottom half of the bracket will probably be Franklin, Case Western, OAC #2 (Baldwin-Wallace/Ohio Northern winner), and Wheaton/NorthCentral loser.  I would peg Franklin as a 5 seed.  I know UW-Whitewater was in the North last year, but they may go West again, to bring Mount Union back to the North.  Obviously all speculation, but that's the beauty of the forum!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2010, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 06, 2010, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2010, 09:07:18 AM
In the event FC wins out (more than likely) and TM wins out (certainly doable) possibly FC could be sent to Crestview, KY for the first round?

The NCAA sent DePauw and Thomas More to the South region last year - doesn't necessarily mean they would do it again this year, but that is the likelihood.  My favorites for Franklin's opponent right now (again, assuming they win out) would be the Wabash/Wittenberg winner.  My picks today for the top half of the North Bracket would be Mount Union, Trine, Wheaton/North Central winner, and the Wabash/Wittenberg winner.  The bottom half of the bracket will probably be Franklin, Case Western, OAC #2 (Baldwin-Wallace/Ohio Northern winner), and Wheaton/NorthCentral loser.  I would peg Franklin as a 5 seed.  I know UW-Whitewater was in the North last year, but they may go West again, to bring Mount Union back to the North.  Obviously all speculation, but that's the beauty of the forum!

You left out the Nathcon winner.

If 10-0, the NCC/Wheaton winner will almost certainly be ahead of Trine (so, in all probability, would a 10-0 Witt/Wabash winner).

Also, the East almost certainly doesn't have a worthy #1 (yet again).  It is too early to guess whether they will 'import' Wesley (with UMHB as #1 in the South) or Mt. Union (with NCC/Wheaton/Witt/Wabash or an imported UWW as #1 in the North).

I think postseason speculation probably better wait 3-4 weeks! :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 06, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2010, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 06, 2010, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2010, 09:07:18 AM
In the event FC wins out (more than likely) and TM wins out (certainly doable) possibly FC could be sent to Crestview, KY for the first round?

The NCAA sent DePauw and Thomas More to the South region last year - doesn't necessarily mean they would do it again this year, but that is the likelihood.  My favorites for Franklin's opponent right now (again, assuming they win out) would be the Wabash/Wittenberg winner.  My picks today for the top half of the North Bracket would be Mount Union, Trine, Wheaton/North Central winner, and the Wabash/Wittenberg winner.  The bottom half of the bracket will probably be Franklin, Case Western, OAC #2 (Baldwin-Wallace/Ohio Northern winner), and Wheaton/NorthCentral loser.  I would peg Franklin as a 5 seed.  I know UW-Whitewater was in the North last year, but they may go West again, to bring Mount Union back to the North.  Obviously all speculation, but that's the beauty of the forum!

You left out the Nathcon winner.

If 10-0, the NCC/Wheaton winner will almost certainly be ahead of Trine (so, in all probability, would a 10-0 Witt/Wabash winner).

Also, the East almost certainly doesn't have a worthy #1 (yet again).  It is too early to guess whether they will 'import' Wesley (with UMHB as #1 in the South) or Mt. Union (with NCC/Wheaton/Witt/Wabash or an imported UWW as #1 in the North).

I think postseason speculation probably better wait 3-4 weeks! :D

Oops - sure did.  I'll throw Aurora a bone, since it looks like they played IWU pretty tough. 

At this point I wouldn't put either Wittenberg or Wabash ahead of Trine.  I agree the CCIW winner should probably be ahead, but it's entirely possible the conference winner will have a loss - that conference is a meat grinder.  An undefeated CCIW champion could rate a #1 seed, sending Whitewater west and Mount Union east.

We'll see in a few weeks how close I am.  Not exactly going out on a limb with some of them, which is a shame - it would nice to see some more depth in a lot of these conferences.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2010, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 06, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
72 hrs to kick-off between MSJ and DC - no banter, no Sayer (unless beating the Bugeye drum, waiting to dot the script), no witticism?  Pick the board up JacketsFan - let's abuse 'Backer or sumthin'.  ;D
It seems to me MSJ is not playing to their usual level and depending on which DC team shows up will tell us who will take the W.  DC will still have to rely on their defense to force some turnovers and Powell needs to be able to move the ball through the air not just the ground.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 07, 2010, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 06, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
72 hrs to kick-off between MSJ and DC - no banter, no Sayer (unless beating the Bugeye drum, waiting to dot the script), no witticism?  Pick the board up JacketsFan - let's abuse 'Backer or sumthin'.  ;D

The Board is a bit dry this year.  Sayer and Saints fan used to keep things interesting inthe past.  Things are a bit boring this year with the GRIZ blowing folks out.  Hard to talk any trash when the spreads are 30 point plus.  The CCIW and North Coast boards have a lot more day to day banter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 09, 2010, 02:31:29 PM
fc 42 rose 7 still in the second quarter...rose has only crossed mid field once on a long run for td
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 09, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
DC downs MSJ!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 09, 2010, 07:19:34 PM
Well, I'll be dipped in tallow and have a wick stuck in my arse. Okay, I said I would do this and I'm always as good as my word. Groll called this one and I told him April Fools Day is still six months away. So, a big sloppy piece of humble pie, sans ice cream, for the Florida brigand. Now, if you lads will excuse me, I promised the missus dinner at a place tonight that doesn't serve fish and chips.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 09, 2010, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 09, 2010, 07:19:34 PM
Well, I'll be dipped in tallow and have a wick stuck in my arse. Okay, I said I would do this and I'm always as good as my word. Groll called this one and I told him April Fools Day is still six months away. So, a big sloppy piece of humble pie, sans ice cream, for the Florida brigand. Now, if you lads will excuse me, I promised the missus dinner at a place tonight that doesn't serve fish and chips.

Florida Joe, you crack me up brother. You really thought I was pulling your chain didn't you big boy?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 09, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
Yeah, I swallowed that hook all the way to the gills, my man. All you had to do was set it and reel my big slow dumb butt to the transom. So, did DC find a QB for this game or is MSJ just that bad. You know what would be funny? If Franklin somehow manages to lose a conference game - albeit hardly unlikely - and DC wins all its conference games, the could end up sharing the ring. Hardy-har-har? Talk about falling into the pigsty and coming up smelling like cotton candy.

What say you, my expatriated American friend who currently resides on the Dark Continent? Is there life in this corpse or is it just the wriggling of the worms within? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 09, 2010, 09:20:37 PM
I've never seen a Mount team like that. I'm used to seeing a Mount team that punches the other team in the mouth over and over and over again. I think they're young, have trouble throwing the ball, couldn't protect their QB and couldn't stop DC's running game even when it was obvious DC was going to run it. I've never seen that out of a Mount St. Joseph over the last 7 or 8 years.

DC still needs some work in the passing game but they really spread out MSJ in the first half with some stuff I haven't seen this year, although I've only been to two games.

But when the Jackets wanted to run it, they shoved it right down the Mount's throat.

Franklin's not going to lose. DC will likely be favored in the rest of their games especially since Manchester lost to Bluffton today, so 7-3 is very realistic. Let's be honest, outside of Franklin the HCAC is not very good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 09, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
big win for DC...DC might end up with a pretty good year compared to the last few.  congrats to the guys playing.  even if the HCAC is bad it still feels pretty good to whoop on them.  Thank Goodness for Franklin who can actually hold their own in the first round of the playoffs to keep the rest of the conference looking better than they are. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2010, 07:01:26 AM
Congrats to DC. Nice win for the Jackets.  Can't say I am sad to see MSJ lose two weeks in row either. My take on MSJ is not as much lack of talent but lack of playing as a team. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 10, 2010, 07:20:25 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 09, 2010, 08:49:35 PM

What say you, my expatriated American friend who currently resides on the Dark Continent? Is there life in this corpse or is it just the wriggling of the worms within? ;D


Fighting harvester termites in the roses at present leads one to observe that surficial beauty of the bloom can either identify a healthy bush or hide troublesome, pre-emergent issues lurking in the roots and stem.  A good dose of water during a drought either strengthens or wilts, dependent on the ambient weather patterns and perhaps DC is at that crossroads (cue Robert Johnson...or FZ).  Call any vegetable - and the chances are good that the vegetable will respond to you.  Rutaba-a-a-, Rutaba-a-a-, Rutaba-a-a-ag, Rutaba-a-ag... Where can I go?"

Good win for the Jackets and sorely needed - also think they caught MSJ in a down year where their "scouts" may have been better prepped than their mainstays.  It was a strange day, and as the feeds were unavailable over here due to lack of advertised bandwidth, the ex-pat grew bored with watching live stats and retired by halftime.  Guess the emotion of Homecoming just choked our butts right up, eh?  "Where can I go to get my poodle clipped in Burbank?"   Questions, questions, questions..."



   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2010, 07:01:26 AM
Congrats to DC. Nice win for the Jackets.  Can't say I am sad to see MSJ lose two weeks in row either. My take on MSJ is not as much lack of talent but lack of playing as a team. 



I blame Sayer.  He's coaching there now and they didn't suck last year... so its simple math that its all his fault (plus he can't get on here to defend himself).  In short, the guy couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 09:43:09 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 09, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
Yeah, I swallowed that hook all the way to the gills, my man. All you had to do was set it and reel my big slow dumb butt to the transom. So, did DC find a QB for this game or is MSJ just that bad. You know what would be funny? If Franklin somehow manages to lose a conference game - albeit hardly unlikely - and DC wins all its conference games, the could end up sharing the ring. Hardy-har-har? Talk about falling into the pigsty and coming up smelling like cotton candy.

What say you, my expatriated American friend who currently resides on the Dark Continent? Is there life in this corpse or is it just the wriggling of the worms within? ;D


You don't want DC to share the title and go to the playoffs, my friend... they'll close the college down for what the #1 seed does to them.

(I have a take on the MSJ thing thats being typed right now)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2010, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2010, 07:01:26 AM
Congrats to DC. Nice win for the Jackets.  Can't say I am sad to see MSJ lose two weeks in row either. My take on MSJ is not as much lack of talent but lack of playing as a team. 



I blame Sayer.  He's coaching there now and they didn't suck last year... so its simple math that its all his fault (plus he can't get on here to defend himself).  In short, the guy couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

Sayer can count on his friends having his back!!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 10:17:59 AM
MSJ 2010:  

(to make sure you know, I have NOT talked to Sayer and I HAVE gone to two MSJ games).

Heres my very much more educated opinoin (than anyone in Delhi)...

Mount St. Joe is talented, but NOT as talented as they have been in the past.  There are still a couple of VERY EXCELLENT players on defense, but the days of PJ Volker, Matt Lawless, Kyle Prosser, Alex Harbin, Ricky Story, Mike Lovell and Eric Schneider aren't here anymore.  They still have great athletes though.  The offense has like 2 or 3 starters back for this year and they are learning to play together as a unit... with a QB who wasn't in football last year.  Things worked out with Mustard last year (he was out the year before) but at a certain point you need to stop relying on flashes in the pan at QB and have someone who's worked offseasons with the team and has earned the respect of his teammates for being there.  While the offensive line has taken time to gel, the QB had some success against the weak early schedule, but as they got into the teeth of the schedule, pressure has freaked him out.  They have put the defense in bad spots and eventhough the defense is still good, they've not been able to come through with the offense sputtering.  When an offense sputters, the defense loses a bit of its edge.  Thats what has happened here.  Now we are talking like MSJ is a bad team, they are not... not in the conference.  They did get murdered by Franklin and beaten by Defiance but they can win out in conference play and go 7-3.   Especially since they only play one team ranked inside the top 100 in sacks.

Here's what they have left:

RHIT #124 1.75 sacks per game
Earlham #138 1.6 sacks per game
Hanover #229 .4 sacks per game
TMC #2 5.25 sacks per game

The Bridge Bowl could be a tossup because of the emotions involved... and because of how easily the game went TMC's way last year.  We'll see what happens.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on October 11, 2010, 07:29:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 10:17:59 AM
MSJ 2010:  

(to make sure you know, I have NOT talked to Sayer and I HAVE gone to two MSJ games).

Heres my very much more educated opinoin (than anyone in Delhi)...

Mount St. Joe is talented, but NOT as talented as they have been in the past.  There are still a couple of VERY EXCELLENT players on defense, but the days of PJ Volker, Matt Lawless, Kyle Prosser, Alex Harbin, Ricky Story, Mike Lovell and Eric Schneider aren't here anymore.  They still have great athletes though.  The offense has like 2 or 3 starters back for this year and they are learning to play together as a unit... with a QB who wasn't in football last year.  Things worked out with Mustard last year (he was out the year before) but at a certain point you need to stop relying on flashes in the pan at QB and have someone who's worked offseasons with the team and has earned the respect of his teammates for being there.  While the offensive line has taken time to gel, the QB had some success against the weak early schedule, but as they got into the teeth of the schedule, pressure has freaked him out.  They have put the defense in bad spots and eventhough the defense is still good, they've not been able to come through with the offense sputtering.  When an offense sputters, the defense loses a bit of its edge.  Thats what has happened here.  Now we are talking like MSJ is a bad team, they are not... not in the conference.  They did get murdered by Franklin and beaten by Defiance but they can win out in conference play and go 7-3.   Especially since they only play one team ranked inside the top 100 in sacks.

That's my assessment too after seeing the game Saturday. The Mount is definitely not as talented as they've been in the past. I remember the days when they had that "edge" or "swagger" about them when they walked onto the field and the opposition just crumbled. I didn't see that mystique about the Mount on Saturday. They still have some assassins on D but they don't have 8 or 10 like they used to. Their bookends are really good and they have some studs up there but they're playing with a lot of youth. They used to be really nasty and played with an attitude.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 11, 2010, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on October 11, 2010, 07:29:50 AM
I remember the days when they had that "edge" or "swagger" about them...   They used to be really nasty and played with an attitude.

Me too.   ;)  Back in '71 when MSJ Nunnery for Wayward Women (along with the former Western College in Oxford), both were "high cotton," prime real estate for hormonally-charged residents from "Crawdadsville."  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 11, 2010, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2010, 07:01:26 AM
Congrats to DC. Nice win for the Jackets.  Can't say I am sad to see MSJ lose two weeks in row either. My take on MSJ is not as much lack of talent but lack of playing as a team. 



I blame Sayer.  He's coaching there now and they didn't suck last year... so its simple math that its all his fault (plus he can't get on here to defend himself).  In short, the guy couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

i forgot about that and explains why there are no good rants on here!.  what i can say is mark your post down, Sayer will get to you in due time when he is allowed to be public again!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 12, 2010, 12:52:01 PM
It's great that Sayer is coaching at MSJ, but it has hurt not having a rep from MSJ on here.  It is interesting as we discussed before the lack of team support on here from all our HCAC foes.  At least we'll always have SaintsFan representing  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 13, 2010, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2010, 10:17:59 AM
...They did get murdered by Franklin and beaten by Defiance but they can win out in conference play and go 7-3.   Especially since they only play one team ranked inside the top 100 in sacks.

Here's what they have left:

RHIT #124 1.75 sacks per game
Earlham #138 1.6 sacks per game
Hanover #229 .4 sacks per game
TMC #2 5.25 sacks per game


Franklin is behind MSJ in this stat category so I don't think there's much solace to be found there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on October 13, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
This freshman from Anderson University could be their future...very impressive numbers...

Division III National Player Report
Rushing

Year: 2010 Thru: 10/09/10 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Carries Net TDs Avg Ydspgm
1 Shea Dwyer, Wesleyan (CT) RB SR 3 74 587 8 7.93 195.67
2 Dion Wilson, Millikin RB SR 5 138 936 11 6.78 187.20
3 Josh Kleinfelter, Lycoming RB SR 5 145 856 7 5.90 171.20
4 Johrone Bunch, Mount Ida RB JR 5 133 819 13 6.16 163.80
5 Scottie Williams, Elmhurst RB SO 5 117 798 10 6.82 159.60
6 Jim Bower, Maine Maritime RB SR 5 100 782 8 7.82 156.40
7 Anthony Ambers, Greenville RB SR 6 142 935 11 6.58 155.83
8 Caleb Jennings, Emory & Henry RB SR 6 126 792 8 6.29 132.00
8 Luke Heinsohn, Wash. & Lee RB SO 5 87 660 4 7.59 132.00
10 Chris Coney, Union (NY) RB SR 4 111 512 3 4.61 128.00
11 Marcus Spann, Anderson (IN) RB FR 5 85 634 5 7.46 126.80
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2010, 02:40:02 PM
I'm hoping that since DC has played already Hanover, MSJ, and Franklin that they'll continue to improve and be able come out above .500 this season.  The defense is very solid and will continue to get better, but everything else will be in Powell's hands.  He will need to improve with the pass if DC will get more W's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 16, 2010, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 15, 2010, 02:40:02 PM
I'm hoping that since DC has played already Hanover, MSJ, and Franklin that they'll continue to improve and be able come out above .500 this season.  The defense is very solid and will continue to get better, but everything else will be in Powell's hands.  He will need to improve with the pass if DC will get more W's.

Today's game in Richmond should be an absolute "gimme" for DC - can't find an easier-going, less passive opponent than the Quakers.  If RP and the O can't light them up for a gold rush (7 TDs, 49'r for the non-history buffs  :D), it may be time to invest in Womens' Crew on Wohn's Pond.  ;D

BTW, for Jacket fans venturing south, the Amish Cheese Shop just west of Richmond at SR 1 and I-70 (on NE corner) is a very worthwhile stop.  Will 70 DC Alum to make the game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 16, 2010, 07:00:29 AM
Getting ready to leave the house to pick up some items for the weekly FC tailgate party. This week FC is venturing to North Manchester, IN to vanquish the Manchester Spartans.  The over/under for TEAM GRIZ is 50 today. ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2010, 10:15:03 AM
This is "old news", however, as I just noticed this while "surfing" various football websites late yesterday when I had some "free time" at home (who has that? ??? ;D - we should all be working!), I thought I would ask.  Actually, this obviously pertains more to the Bluffton posters here, although perhaps some of you others might know some info regarding this.  Anyway, I saw where Ferris State has an assistant coach named Allen Curtiss, who is now in his 3rd season there.  He was previously at Bluffton College for 20 years prior to that as a full-time assistant football coach.  I was just curious if anyone knows why the switch after all those years?  Was that due to the new HC coming in at Bluffton or perhaps a career opportunity for Curtiss?  Going from DIII after all those years to DII is perhaps a little surprising, but then again, perhaps not.  Obviously, he must be doing a good job (RBs/special teams) since this is his 3rd season on the FSU staff and they have a very good record this year so far.  Just curious if anyone knew or just had some thoughts on this.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 17, 2010, 09:41:42 AM
Yay. DC slays the Quakers from the Duke of Earlham (yawn). Because the whole conference except Franklin is obviously in the weeds this year, DC will come out smelling like a rose when, underneath that rosy aroma, lingers the same old pile of cow flop. I don't think their defense looks that much improved. The only teams they've played that were any good ran right through their defense. As for the offense, please, somebody just shoot me. When will someone up there realize that after seven years, the DC-mobile has been in reverse about as much as its been in drive? Time to change driver and pit crew. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 17, 2010, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on October 17, 2010, 09:41:42 AM
Yay. DC slays the Quakers from the Duke of Earlham (yawn). Because the whole conference except Franklin is obviously in the weeds this year, DC will come out smelling like a rose when, underneath that rosy aroma, lingers the same old pile of cow flop. I don't think their defense looks that much improved. The only teams they've played that were any good ran right through their defense. As for the offense, please, somebody just shoot me. When will someone up there realize that after seven years, the DC-mobile has been in reverse about as much as its been in drive? Time to change driver and pit crew. ;)

More like "a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma", but so long as it covers the rarefied nasal treats emitted from Johns Manville, the spinmeisters will extol the wondrous virtues of Defying the Ordinary.  The second-winningest, head coach in DC's history (the usual billing out of the college) conveniently has also lost more games than all but one and is batting, what around .447 or so lifetime? 3 wins shy of a record 37 - 16 shy of most losses (58) at 42, in pursuit of Dick Small's 10 year tally and relieving Psconda of that back-up position.  ::)  

Ah, yet another silk purse - sow's ear moment on the Back Forty.  How appropo.  ;)
"Right past the fuming, incense stencher, To where she hung her castenets ... Hmmmm, no fooling?"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 18, 2010, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 16, 2010, 10:15:03 AM
This is "old news", however, as I just noticed this while "surfing" various football websites late yesterday when I had some "free time" at home (who has that? ??? ;D - we should all be working!), I thought I would ask.  Actually, this obviously pertains more to the Bluffton posters here, although perhaps some of you others might know some info regarding this.  Anyway, I saw where Ferris State has an assistant coach named Allen Curtiss, who is now in his 3rd season there.  He was previously at Bluffton College for 20 years prior to that as a full-time assistant football coach.  I was just curious if anyone knows why the switch after all those years?  Was that due to the new HC coming in at Bluffton or perhaps a career opportunity for Curtiss?  Going from DIII after all those years to DII is perhaps a little surprising, but then again, perhaps not.  Obviously, he must be doing a good job (RBs/special teams) since this is his 3rd season on the FSU staff and they have a very good record this year so far.  Just curious if anyone knew or just had some thoughts on this.  Thanks.

I believe Alan's wife is a professor at Grand Valley State University.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on October 18, 2010, 09:49:19 AM
HELP WANTED:

Looking for Pollsters for a "soon to be unveiled" D3 TOP 25 FAN POLL.

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2. Research the teams and try to be as unbiased as possible in ranking them.
3. Think through your own philosophy as to how much to weigh previous ranking, won/loss record, your sense as to who would win head to head, national performances in recent years, quality wins, and whatever reasonable criteria you care to choose.   
4. Submit a ballot EVERY WEEK by the deadline. Missing a deadline will be cause to forfeit your spot. Create and submit your ballot BEFORE viewing the D3football.com poll. You can look at previous weeks polls to get you started if you are having a hard time filling out the last few slots.

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This poll is to promote meaningful and fun discussion on d3boards.com.  It is simply something that will be fun to contrast with D3football.com's poll. D3football.com's poll is the one legitimate poll we have in D3 football in my opinion.  This poll is not even intended to become #2. I just think it would be an interesting point of comparison and discussion. 

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The first 25 respondents will be our initial group of pollsters.  This group will remain the D3 FOOTBALL FAN POLL TOP 25 pollsters unless they resign their position or miss a deadline.  Pollsters, I will never post your names on the boards.  If you choose to, that is fine. If you are beyond the first 25 responses, your name will be placed on a "waiting list".  If there are fewer than 25 respondents by midnight on Wednesday, we will go with what we have and continue to have "open" slots to be filled.

Remember FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED!  ;)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2010, 11:34:22 AM
Met with Defiance's President yesterday for coffee and was very impressed with our conversation about his plans for DC.  What I really liked aside from the improvements towards academics was what he wants from the athletics.  He really wants all of DC's sports to raise the bar.  I know all schools want that, but with adding swimming and potentially wrestling and the field house being built and his interest of bringing in more students I see great things to come from DC academically and athletically!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sflzman on October 21, 2010, 03:58:19 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll Released

Team       
1. UW-Whitewater (16)   400
2. Mount Union                381
3. Wesley                        361
4. St. Thomas                  346
5. North Central               332
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor      328
7. Delaware Valley           262
8. Wittenberg                  261
9. Hardin-Simmons           252
10. Ohio Northern            240
11. Linfield                       218
12. Thomas More             216
13. Wartburg                   213
14. Wheaton                   187
15. Montclair St.              183
16. Trine                          171
17. St. John Fisher           164
18. Bethel                        136
19. Coe                            123
20. Central                       99
21. Pacific Lutheran          88
22. Hampden-Sydney       85
23. Cal Lutheran              46
24. Ursinas                       36
25. Case Western            17


Also Receiving Votes:
Wabash (15), Franklin (12), Rowan (12), Willamette (12), Illinois Wesleyan (6), Cortland State (6), Augustana (5), Depauw (4)

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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2010, 11:20:26 AM
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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sflzman on October 26, 2010, 04:23:34 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

1. UW-Whitewater (20) 500
2. Mt. Union     479
3. Wesley    453
4. North Central   435
5. St. Thomas   417
6. UMHB    394
7. Delaware Valley  336
8. Hardin-Simmons  318
9. Ohio Northern   305
10. Linfield    300
11. Wartburg    288
12. Wittenberg   269
13. Thomas More   264
14 Wheaton    242
15. Montclair St.   233
16. Trine    210
17. Coe     169
18. Bethel    167
19. Central 134
20. Hampden-Sydney  133
21. California Lutheran  90
22. Ursinas     84
23. St. John Fisher   56
24. Alfred     46
25. Pacific Lutheran 46

Dropped Out: Case Western Reserve

Others receiving votes: Case Western Reserve (36), Depauw (21), Rowan (17), Wabash (17), Franklin (16), Cortland St. (12), Willamette (8), Augustana (4)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 11:35:58 AM
Nice to see Franklin is receiving some votes from both fan poll and D3 poll.  It makes me wonder how they will do in the playoffs assuming they win out.  I don't see anyone giving them much trouble accept Hanover who I think is a pretty good team at 5-2, but I guess it will depend if their defense shows or not. 
Franklin has been very dominant through league action and as I said before, I bet they wish they could have that Carthage game back.  That will ruin them come playoff seeding time. 
In regards to DC I think this is a pretty big game for them.  This will give a good indication to see if what kind of team they really are.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 28, 2010, 11:52:24 AM
The DC vs Rose Hulman is the game of the week in the HCAC IMO.  Both teams playing well and coming off big wins.  I have to be selfish and hope Rose wins but it oughta be a good one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 12:18:40 PM
I agree panthersfan, except for who you want to win ;).  I am also happy to see a Panther poster on the board.

I have a hypothetical question for all those that pay attention to this board.  If DC & Hanover wins out there would be a three way tie for the HCAC crown.  Who would be the outright champ? Do they go to overall record, because Hanover and Franklin would have the same record, or do they go with margin of victory?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 28, 2010, 06:38:09 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 12:18:40 PM
...
I have a hypothetical question for all those that pay attention to this board.  If DC & Hanover wins out there would be a three way tie for the HCAC crown.  Who would be the outright champ? Do they go to overall record, because Hanover and Franklin would have the same record, or do they go with margin of victory?

Good question...  Maybe the NCAA regional rankings used for playoffs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 28, 2010, 09:02:29 PM
couldn't find the tie breaker procedures on the conf website.  odds are that Franklin wont lose to HC in Franklin.  Just a hunch.  Carthage certainly cost FC a home field and a top 4 seed.  I still think they might be a five and get a game with a team like Trine or Wittenberg (winnable) maybe host or play Bash if Bash wins out (not likely)

Wheaton may get a 4 at 9-1 due to strength of schedule.   hard to say.  FC should be no worse than 6 based on the scoring differentials.  who knows  just my opinion

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2010, 09:07:34 AM
Griz, I do agree Franklin is not going to lose any of their remaining games. 
In regards to where they get seeded is going to be interesting.  It will depend whether they move someone out of the region to see if Franklin can get a home game.  Right now Mount, NC and Trine would be the top 3 in the region and then it would be followed by either Witt, ONU or possibly Franklin for the final home spot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
The last time I checked, which was a few years back, the HCAC used the Big 10 tie breaker procedure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2010, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 29, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
The last time I checked, which was a few years back, the HCAC used the Big 10 tie breaker procedure.


I'm pretty sure you haven't looked at it this year, Sayer..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 29, 2010, 12:03:39 PM
That's cold :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 29, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
Funny stuff
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 30, 2010, 01:39:13 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 15, 2007, 09:00:17 AM
Here is the HCAC Tie-Breaker scenario:

1. Which team won in their head to head competition?

2. How the tied teams fared against next team in conference standings.  Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken.

3. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you defeated.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

4. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you lost to.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

5. Total winning percentage by non-conference opponents.

6. The team which has not gone to the NCAA Football Playoffs for the longest period of time (Big 10 Rose Bowl Rule).

7. Rankings from the AFCA Division III National Poll.

8. Blind Draw.  One lot shall be marked AQ and all others will be blank.  The draw will be conducted by the conference Commissioner and SID at the Heartland Conference Office.  The draw will be made in alphabetical order of the tied schools.  A coach or representative from each school involved may attend the drawing.

Here's the list as it was in 2007.  No idea if they've actually fixed it since then.  I'll save you all my rant about how ridiculous they are as written above.  You can go back and read the archive if you want.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 30, 2010, 10:20:12 PM
What?  You all go out trick-or-treating tonight?  No chatter at all on game day?  Man we are a sad bunch.

DC wins by 20 over RHIT.
MSJ was actually losing to Manchester at one point before they turned it around and won 24-13
Hanover holds off a late Bluffton surge and continues to control their own conference co-championship destiny.
Do I need to mention the Franklin/Anderson score?

ATN this week had the HCAC as "a possible three way-tie."  Does anybody more than 5 miles north of the Ohio River really believe this to be true?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 31, 2010, 12:32:25 AM
Hanover doesn't stand a chance against Franklin, but I would actually love a Panther victory as long as DC wins out their remaining two games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2010, 10:03:02 AM
Here is some chatter re: Franklin vs Anderson.   The only reason the score wasn't in the 70s or even 80 is that the Ravens down 62-3 midway in the third kept their starters in against the FC second and third string and mustered up a few decent plays in the fourth.

From a statistical standpoint Anderson completed more passes (31) than the Griz attempted (25) and ran 20 more plays (89 to 69).  The difference maker is that FC scored three time on defense.

I for one am glad to see Hanover scraping together a set of wins and putting themselves in a position for a meaningful conference ending game. Reality and stats/paper says FC administers another weekly HCAC beat down but something tells me the Panthers are going to keep it respectable.  FC has to find a way to get by Earlham first.

The GRIZ are happy to stay under the D3 national radar.  I am personally hoping that we get Wabash in the playoffs.

Congrats to the Yellow Jackets as well.  Defiance appears on the right track.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maripp2002 on October 31, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
I think most Wallies would be happy to see Franklin in the playoffs, especially because that would mean Wabash is in the playoffs. Personally, I am hungry for a Franklin v. Trine game. Right now probably two of the hottest offenses in the country duking it out would be just plain fun to watch.

On a side note, assuming Wabash wins out and goes to the playoffs I see a trip to Naperville or Wheaton on the cards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 31, 2010, 10:59:49 AM
I do agree that Franklin will beat Hanover, but due to their week 1 loss and weak conference they will probably get a tough road game or possible tough game against a pool c team at home.
If Wabash wins out the next two weeks that would be huge for them.  They would have to play two very solid games in a row.  Those two games are already like playoff games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2010, 03:23:20 PM
A lot hinges on what happens at DePauw and Wittenberg then next two weeks.  Bash can help Franklin by beating Witt.  My gut says Bash doesn't  make the playoffs. Hard to say.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 01, 2010, 01:07:15 PM
I see Franklin being able to beat play with any of those three teams.  It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.  I think Mount is going to host the East region, so it will be interesting to see what the North is going to look like.  Either North Central or Wheaton will probably be the #1 if the committee doesn't give it to Whitewater again. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 01, 2010, 02:05:02 PM
the questions I have are:

Is Franklin that God becuase they have killed the entire conference?

Is Defiance that improved, have killed everyone after getting manhandled by Franklin?

Is the rest of the HCAC just that bad?

Congrats to Ricky Powell for HCAC Player of the week.  after lost of heat from certian DC fans (myself included) that we need to find a QB that started about 2 years ago he has made a huge improvement.  this week against a decent RHIT defense he went 15-20 with 281yds 3TD and 118yds ruching with 5.7yds per carry.  that is several quality starts in a row...he may have figured this thing out!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 01, 2010, 02:06:18 PM
sorry should read is Franklin that GOOD not God...didnt mean to bring religion into them killing teams
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2010, 03:29:45 PM
ok, guys...

for my not PC view of the week:

I hope to God (the one in the Franklin post by DC70), that Hanover doesn't represent the HCAC in the playoffs... any momentum from the MSJ/FC dual appearance in the playoffs will be gone with that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 01, 2010, 04:13:22 PM
I'm still trying to figure out who would be the team that would get the playoff bid if HC beats Franklin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 01, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
dont think you have to worry about that SaintsFan but does make things interesting...Defiance already beat Hanover so if for some reason Hanover beat Franklin it would go to a 3 way tie that would take you to at least tiebreaker #5

5. Total winning percentage by non-conference opponents - TMC azzkicking record would swing this in Hanover's Favor but that only depends on how would they count Valpo for Franklin since they are not D3.  Nothing like a 50pt beat down from TMC to get Hanover into the payoffs, when Franklin put a 40 point whooping on 1AA Valpo to work against them

After that you get the Rose Bowl Rule which would put Defiance in since our last playoffs was 2001 and Hanover was 2002 before the MSJ/Franklin Run.  only DC gets in is if Franklin loses 2x and i have a better chance of looking down and seeing my feet (yes fat joke) than Franklin has of losing 1x
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 02, 2010, 06:01:37 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 01, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
DC gets in is if Franklin loses 2x and i have a better chance of looking down and seeing my feet (yes fat joke) than Franklin has of losing 1x

LMAO, 70 -  Wait (or "weight") until you approach 60 - feet will be the least of your concerns!   ;D  A new definition for down under besides Australia and Suid Afrika, eh?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 02, 2010, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 01, 2010, 04:13:22 PM
I'm still trying to figure out who would be the team that would get the playoff bid if HC beats Franklin. 

It looks like Hanover would have the edge with the win percentage of out of conference opponents at this time.

Hanover
Centre 4 - 4
Thomas More 8 - 0
Total 12 - 4 Win Percentage - .750

Defiance
Muskingum 3 - 5
Adrian 3 - 5
Total 6 - 10 Win Percentage - .375

Franklin
Carthage 5 - 3
Valpraiso 0 - 9
Total - 5 - 12 Win Percentage - .294
If you do not count Valpraiso Win Percentage would be .625

I do have a question in regards to tie breaker #5. If two of the teams are still tied after #5 scenario do all three teams go to #6 or just the two teams tied?

It looks like the Victory Bell game could have more at stake than just who takes home the bell if all three teams win this weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 02, 2010, 10:58:24 AM
Seeing Valpo's abysmal record, one has to wonder why the big WIAC schools aren't "relegated" to DII and smaller, wanna be giant killers like Valpo, and several southern colleges such as Davidson, Wofford, Presbyterian, and Furman (though the Paladins do have some strong runs) play with schools their own size?

Despite laments about the Kenosha debacle for Franklin, how badly will the Carthage loss really hurt?  Three games lost (two to undefeated clubs at present) and the third to Augie (which also lost to Wheaton, NCC, and 9-1 Central of Iowa)?  As with Adrian, who has lost to the aforementioned Augustana, three undefeateds (UWW, Trine, and Depauw), before last weeks' meltdown with Albion, is there any accounting for opponent's schedule strength within the mumbo-jumbo of selections or is it strictly opposition records?

For SaintsFan, Thomas More is what it is, and I won't hazard a guess at what happened in New Concord, OH to the Yellow Jackets unless looking for John Glenn...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 02, 2010, 11:07:18 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on November 02, 2010, 09:43:45 AMI do have a question in regards to tie breaker #5. If two of the teams are still tied after #5 scenario do all three teams go to #6 or just the two teams tied?

Though the version on the HCAC website never said (another one of my rants about this tie-breaking process), I think the general consensus is that if you eliminate one, but not all of the tied teams, you revert to tie-breaker #1 again for the remaining teams.

It doesn't matter this year, however, because there is no way for the Franklin or Defiance opponents to catch Hanover's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 02, 2010, 11:23:03 AM
I think the HCAC needs to review their policy on how to determine the HCAC champ for playoff bid. 
I know a lot of Franklin fans are just laughing at this discussion, but it does offer some conversation on a very slow board this season. 
I also think it is great to see how much DC and Hanover have improved over the season.  I know that if Franklin had a do over they would be undefeated right now, but I also think if DC had another crack at Muskingum it would be a different outcome.  Adrian I would still leave that as a ?.  Despite their record and loss to Albion, which I agree with cave that it was a meltdown, I think they are an above average team.  Playing their schedule can really wear down a team.  Hanover's record would still be the same, but they are a much improved team too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 02, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
I am glad Hanover is having a resurgence. For one it is good to see someone step up (Defiance) as win some games and maybe get on a roll recruiting wise etc.  Not that much fun to watch games that are essentially over midway thorugh the second quarter.

Secondly it will be more fun to see Hanover soundly whacked and sent home bellless for the 6th year in a row.  Stranger things have happended but if FC loses to Hanover at home with the team they have this year they dont deserve to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 02, 2010, 12:48:32 PM
Griz,
I agree, especially with the last part.  Franklin has a solid team this year and has been dominate except one game that has been mentioned a thousand times (especially by me). 
In regards to DC, I agree winning will help them with recruiting, especially the field house that is being built will certainly help in that department as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 02, 2010, 01:09:49 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 01, 2010, 02:05:02 PM
Is Defiance that improved, have killed everyone after getting manhandled by Franklin?
Meant to reply to this first, then I got sidetracked by the tie-breaker discussion.

With the exception of the Muskingum game (and perhaps MSJ), I'd say everybody in Defiance would tell you that this season is about what was expected.  They should have beat Muskingum (fumbled the opening kickoff for an easy Muskie score and again to end overtime).  The MSJ win was probably a pleasant surprise to some (including me).  But, when I got home from that game and saw Hanover beat Rose and Bluffton beat Manchester, I figured that it was very possible for DC to win out.  Still some work to be done, but that looks more and more likely every week.

I've only been able to get to two games this year, Franklin and MSJ.  Powell was pisspoor in both those games (combined 19-44, 200 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT).  As my dad said, his numbers don't make any sense when you watch him throw.  He throws nice, tight, spirals.  He doesn't have a rocket arm, but he doesn't lob them in there either.  The problem was he just couldn't hit the target.  He was out in front, or behind, or low on almost every pass.  Heck, one of the INTs bounced off the umpire.

I don't know if it was a timing thing that he's since worked out with the receivers.  Of course, the defenses he's seen since MSJ certainly are not that good, so perhaps that has something to do with it too.  But, I noticed on Saturday he went 15-20, 281 yards, and 3 TDs.  When you're talking about being not able to hit the target, that 15-20 is more than just playing a poor defense.

I'm going down to Bluffton in a couple weeks.  I guess I'll make a final decision after seeing it myself.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on November 02, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
Part of DC's improvement has been that its young and injured O-Line has gotten healthy and experience. With that, Powell has looked much better as well...and Kuesel has really been running strong and like he's healthy for the first time since his freshman year.

With that said, my opinion is that DC's potential 7-3 record would be misleading, as outside of Franklin.... no other HCAC squad looks impressive at all. It's a really bad year around the league. MSJ is way down, Rose is struggling after a few good years, Manchester's rise was short-lived and Anderson has just been horrendous....Bluffton is better but still Bluffton and Earlham is the new Bluffton. So who does that leave? DC and Hanover looking better than they are, bc the schedule is so weak.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 02, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Well said Buzz. Let's be honest, those who follow the HCAC know that outside of Franklin, the HCAC is just pitiful.

As DC fans we can say the Jackets have improved since getting whacked by Franklin, but I'll chalk it up as playing a bunch of cupcakes. Most teams are going to look better when they play Anderson (with 16 kids suspended and their best offensive weapon hurt), MSJ (as bad a team as they've had in Delhi in a long time), Earlham and Rose with Manchester and Bluffton still to come. Most average to below average teams are going to roll through that stretch without much trouble.

All you need to know is this: By far the two best teams Defiance played this year were Franklin and Adrian. DC lost to those two teams by a combined 82-21. There's still a major gap between Franklin and the rest of the HCAC, even more so now with the Mount having a lean year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2010, 11:28:47 AM
I agree the conference is weak and Franklin is far better than every team in the HCAC, but the thing I'm looking at is how much better DC is this year.  Plus, DC will bring back tons of players that have contributed this season.  Tag a 7-3 record. a new field house, and the President wanting to expand the enrollment, if DC plays their cards right they will be a much better team years to come.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 03, 2010, 12:26:57 PM
Honestly, I can't say if DC has improved or not this season.

They've lost to the same good teams on their schedule every year over the past few seasons (mainly Adrian and Franklin and also the Mount when they've been good and in the HCAC title hunt).

They need to start beating some better than average teams before I'll say they're improving.

Totally agree the opportunity is there with the fieldhouse and what the prez is doing. If they play their cards right, you'll start seeing better football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 03, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
great story...as someone who last a parent to Cancer i think this is really cool that Leonard allowed this.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/right-on-the-numbers
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2010, 04:28:24 PM
Looking at the NCAA's second regional rankings I do not see a chance for Franklin to host a game, even if they move "The Mount" out of region to the east.  I do see them possibly landing Trine or maybe ONU for a first round game, possibly the CCIW pool C bid.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 03, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
Assuming Mount goes East, then North Central would probably get the 1 seed (assuming they beat Wheaton).  If Trine and Witt win out (likely) then they should get the 2 and 3.  That leave Wheaton or ONU as the 4.  For some reason I see FC getting the 5 and going to ONU/Wheaton (awfully tough to win). If FC gets the 6 then a trip to Trine or Witt (more winnable).

One question that I have:  will an undefeated Trine get a better seed than ONU or Wheaton.  IMO ONU or Wheaton would beat Trine.  Trine is a 5 or 6 IMO.

I don't see Case getting better than a 7 and couldn't tell you who would be 8.

fun to speculate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 04, 2010, 03:04:11 AM
Speculation is fun - what if UWW remains in the north due to a very strong St. Thomas contingent out of the MIAC as a western preference? 

As was mentioned earlier, there is a lot to play out over the next couple of weeks and might be a bit hesitant to be penciling Witt into a drivers seat just yet - the Witt-Bash rivalry clash over has come down to last minute (including two last plays) over the past three years.  Imagine this weeks' hype had Wabash not suffered cerebral flatulence at games' end in St Louis?  Wooster has proven to be a thorn in the Tiger sides particularly with the pipes and drums in Wayne County and Witt has been less than impressive on the road this season with Obie and Allegheny. 

Meanwhile, there's also a fourth-ranked, in region, southern squad awaited by 12,000 rabid fans at the Monon Bell game (with a series record of 54-53-9) where anything can/will happen.  What of an opportunity for WashStL to pull off another surprise on CWRU.    There will be some SOS reshuffling in the north, based on those outcomes and the NW suburb clash in the CCIW.

As a technically-inept curmudgeon, it appears both Franklin and Trine just need to concentrate on beating their hapless opposition into submission and sit back like the rest of us and watch pieces fall into place.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2010, 08:27:29 AM
I agree Cave. Thats all that FC can do.  As long as they arent 8th to start out I will be happy.  Playoff football is just plain fun.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 04, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 03, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
great story...as someone who last a parent to Cancer i think this is really cool that Leonard allowed this.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/right-on-the-numbers
Somebody should tell Leonard that whatever Kosar did after he left Cleveland doesn't count.  Kosar's number will always be #19.

I remember saying to my dad when we watched DC/FC that #26 was a strange number for a QB.  Now I know why he was wearing that number.  Thanks for posting the article.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
70s and has_been,

didn't one of the retards you guys had at QB in the mid to late 90s wear a number in the 20s??  I think I remember this being true..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 04, 2010, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: altor on November 04, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 03, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
great story...as someone who last a parent to Cancer i think this is really cool that Leonard allowed this.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/right-on-the-numbers
Somebody should tell Leonard that whatever Kosar did after he left Cleveland doesn't count.  Kosar's number will always be #19.

I remember saying to my dad when we watched DC/FC that #26 was a strange number for a QB.  Now I know why he was wearing that number.  Thanks for posting the article.

Kosar wore #20 at the University of Miami - pretty sure in the NFL QB's can only have uniform numbers between 1-19.

The QB at WashStL - Sherman - I think wears #25 - at least he did last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
Hey, you HCAC guys!  I know this is not football, but Franklin College is playing Indiana University (yes, of the Big Ten) in basketball live right now on TV!  It is early in the game, but they are hanging tough so far with the "big boys".  Awesome - I like to see this kind of early season games.

Remember about 3-4 years ago, Wheaton played at Northwestern and lost to them at the buzzer (or in OT - I can't remember which) in front of a full house packed crowd at Northwestern.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2010, 09:49:15 PM
Oops!  The FC vs. Indiana game was played yesterday.  It is a re-run on the Big Ten network tonight right now.  Anyway, I still think it is neat, even though it was an exhibition game and FC eventually lost 89-37 I'm told.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2010, 11:59:07 AM
I agree that DIII school play the Big Ten schools even though they are usually blow outs.  I went to see DC play Indiana in baseball one year and it was a fun experience.  I would be intrigued to see how Anderson would be against a Indiana since they are suppose to be our top team in the HCAC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 05, 2010, 12:21:18 PM
Franklin actually beat Notre Dame in baseball about four years ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 05, 2010, 11:59:07 AM
I agree that DIII school play the Big Ten schools even though they are usually blow outs.  I went to see DC play Indiana in baseball one year and it was a fun experience.  I would be intrigued to see how Anderson would be against a Indiana since they are suppose to be our top team in the HCAC?

I agree with you dc_h_b.  Also KY Griz, that is interesting.  In the 2009 baseball season, Olivet College beat the Univ of Toledo in baseball.  However, Toledo blasted them this year back in April.  This goes way back but in 1980, Alma College split double-headers with Iowa State and Georgia Tech on their spring trip.  That was one of Alma's NCAA baseball playoff teams and the best team in their 100+ year history of baseball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on November 06, 2010, 07:19:09 PM
It's fun to see that the Victory Bell game will be for the HCAC playoff spot.  I don't think this game has ever had these types of ramifications.  The one thing that will be consistent though with Bell games from 2000 and on is that I will not be sober.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2010, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: tricksnaps56 on November 06, 2010, 07:19:09 PM
It's fun to see that the Victory Bell game will be for the HCAC playoff spot.  I don't think this game has ever had these types of ramifications.  The one thing that will be consistent though with Bell games from 2000 and on is that I will not be sober.

Great to see HC with something to play for besides pride next week.  However, FC is going to turn up the heat on both sides of the ball.  Earlham was not much of a test. 60-0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
Bridge. Bowl. Week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
Big game this week with Franklin playing Hanover.  I do not see Hanover giving Franklin that much trouble, but stranger things have happened.  Hopefully both teams bring their A game to the table and help prepare who ever goes to the playoffs. 
It is my understanding that if Franklin wins, obviously they get the A bid and if Hanover wins they go even though there will be a three way tie with Franklin, Hanover, and Defiance (assuming they beat Bluffton).
In regards to the DC/Bluffton game, I'm hoping DC plays better than what the stats show from this past Saturday's 10-7 win over Manchester.  Plus, why was Drew Kuesel not in the game? 
Saintsfan, what's up with TMC W last week?  That game came down to the final minute to take the PAC crown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 08, 2010, 02:00:39 PM
Kuesel's hurt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 08, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
Big game this week with Franklin playing Hanover.  I do not see Hanover giving Franklin that much trouble, but stranger things have happened.  Hopefully both teams bring their A game to the table and help prepare who ever goes to the playoffs. 
It is my understanding that if Franklin wins, obviously they get the A bid and if Hanover wins they go even though there will be a three way tie with Franklin, Hanover, and Defiance (assuming they beat Bluffton).
In regards to the DC/Bluffton game, I'm hoping DC plays better than what the stats show from this past Saturday's 10-7 win over Manchester.  Plus, why was Drew Kuesel not in the game? 
Saintsfan, what's up with TMC W last week?  That game came down to the final minute to take the PAC crown.

I'm really not sure, I didn't have a chance to watch the game or review the drive summaries... but sounds like Waynesburg loaded up the box to stop the run.  The defense played well as usual, and the offense got enough points.  Thats how the year has gone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 08, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Good to hear from you Saints Fan.  Dont be a stranger on here.  TM is in the same boat as FC this week IMO.  Rival game against a much weaker rival. TM should easily dispatch MSJ.  FC might get a better game from HC than it appears on paper.  At least HC will be jacked up and FC will be excited as well.  FC hasn't had an exciting game since labor day weekend.

Regardless, the food and liquor in the Touchdown Club lot will flow as usual.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2010, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on November 08, 2010, 02:00:39 PM
Kuesel's hurt.
Well it gave some playing time to the underclassman. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 08, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Good to hear from you Saints Fan.  Dont be a stranger on here.  TM is in the same boat as FC this week IMO.  Rival game against a much weaker rival. TM should easily dispatch MSJ.  FC might get a better game from HC than it appears on paper.  At least HC will be jacked up and FC will be excited as well.  FC hasn't had an exciting game since labor day weekend.

Regardless, the food and liquor in the Touchdown Club lot will flow as usual.



I won't... I'm busy today looking for a new NFL team to be a fan of.  Tennessee is it, I think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

1. UWW (20)  500
2. Mount Union  478
3. North Central  453
4. Wesley   439
5. St. Thomas  418
6. UMHB   397
7. Delaware Valley 351
8. Hardin-Simmons 338
9. Ohio Northern  325
10. Linfield   314
11. Wartburg   297
12. Wittenberg  274
13. Trine   260
14. Thomas More  249
15. Bethel   223
16. Coe    206
17. Wheaton   186
18. Cal. Lutheran  149
19. Depauw   111
20. Pac. Lutheran 105
21. Central   86
22. Cortland State 75
23. Rowan    67
24. Montclair  54
25. Franklin   48

Dropped Out: #23 St. John Fisher, #24 Wabash

Also receiving votes: Hampden-Sydney (34), St. John Fisher (20), Willamette (19), Washington U (5), Salisbury(4),Wabash(4),Williams(4), Alfred (2), Illinois Wesleyan (2), Albion (1), Baldwin-Wallace (1), Muhlenberg (1)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 10, 2010, 09:01:05 AM
Has_been i think i heard kuesel had a bruised knee, no clue what that means for this week.  Kid is a beast at RB but in the last 2 years he has been injured a bunch. 

Also while the chance to come in 2nd place in the HCAC this year is like the kid who comes in second place to Johnny Knoxville int he movie "The Ringer" what i do like is DC is doing it with a boatload of young guys. 

i think it is something like 14+ freshman starting or significant PT and only a small handful of upperclassmen.  ususally when the numbers are that way the record is 3-7 not 7-3 regardless of what the schedule looks like.  Decent record with strong expectations with a new field house should mean better recruiting.  will be interesting for the next few years to see if we can take this to the next level!

TrickSnaps56 gald to have you back huge game for you...everyone in DC land is pulling for you guys!  glad to know your streak will stay in tact, i would not want to imagine a game like this one sober.

SaintsFan i am sure you are blowing up Sayer in the personal messages on here, this could be one of the uglier Bridge Bowls in a long time, TMC is balling unlike your once favorite Bengals.  as a parting gift from Bengal Hell a parting gift to remember them on a high note Peko vs. Troy PrettyHair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-nsMGz2918
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2010, 11:20:52 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 08, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Good to hear from you Saints Fan.  Dont be a stranger on here.  TM is in the same boat as FC this week IMO.  Rival game against a much weaker rival. TM should easily dispatch MSJ.  FC might get a better game from HC than it appears on paper.  At least HC will be jacked up and FC will be excited as well.  FC hasn't had an exciting game since labor day weekend.

Regardless, the food and liquor in the Touchdown Club lot will flow as usual.



I won't... I'm busy today looking for a new NFL team to be a fan of.  Tennessee is it, I think.

I think you should consider looking NW up 1-74 for a new team (say the Indy Mannings).  Good luck to TM.  Lay the wood to the hapless Lions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:29:36 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2010, 07:15:08 PM
I can't be a Colts fan now... They've already won a Super Bowl with Manning.  Just doesn't sit right with me.  Thats like me saying I'm a SFran Giants fan now or last year the Yankees..  Ya digg?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 11, 2010, 08:35:36 AM
That's why I have been a Cleveland Browns fan for life. You can't blame me for being a wagon jumper. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 12, 2010, 12:01:57 PM
I do not want to hear any complaining about who you are fans of for a NFL team!  I've been a fan of the Detroit Lions since birth and I've dealt with more suffering than the Brown fans or Bengals combined!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 12, 2010, 02:13:44 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 12, 2010, 12:01:57 PM
I do not want to hear any complaining about who you are fans of for a NFL team!  I've been a fan of the Detroit Lions since birth and I've dealt with more suffering than the Brown fans or Bengals combined!

No argument there, but at least you had a team to pull for from 1996 - 1998.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 12, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
Going 19-29 is not a team to pull for.  They have had only 10 seasons with a winning records, and that's including two 8-8 seasons that I really don't count as a winning season in my 31 years of being a fan.  The last one was in 2000 at 9-7.  Oh yeah they are 1-8 in the playoffs during my life time too.
On a more related note, if Franklin wins, how does everyone see them sizing them to the rest of their North competition?  Also, where do you see them getting seeded. I'm thinking a 5 or 6 against Wheaton or Witt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 12, 2010, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 12, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
On a more related note, if Franklin wins, how does everyone see them sizing them to the rest of their North competition?  Also, where do you see them getting seeded. I'm thinking a 5 or 6 against Wheaton or Witt.
It's really hard to tell without knowing how they plan to do the "geographic" groups.  Do they send Mt.U East?  Do they bring UWW North?  Do they include DePauw and/or Th. More in the North?

I do see a likely matchup at Wheaton, ONU, Witt, or Trine.  My gut tells me ONU or Witt are the most likely.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2010, 05:48:25 PM
Link to our projected bracket on the front page of D3football.com. We had to tackle those same issues you're pondering.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 12, 2010, 06:08:34 PM
Pat, I saw your projections which I can't say I'm a fan of w/ UWW being the north #1 and Franklin having to face them for a first round game.  If Hanover wins Saturday then I would fully agree with it, but I think Franklin is better than an 8 seed.  Still with how loaded the north is, it is very hard to argue with where you put them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2010, 07:51:41 PM
I could send Franklin to Wartburg as a "7" in the West -- that was about my only other option. But I couldn't send Hanover there because of distance, so it wasn't a good fit today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2010, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2010, 07:51:41 PM
I could send Franklin to Wartburg as a "7" in the West -- that was about my only other option. But I couldn't send Hanover there because of distance, so it wasn't a good fit today.
Franklin an 8 seed??? sorry you are wrong on that.  Will not happen
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 12:28:34 AM
Put together a 32-team bracket, follow all the rules for travel and avoiding conference rematches (outside TX) and show me the scenario that worked. Because that's what I did and this is how it came up.

Propose a real alternative.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 13, 2010, 01:25:44 AM
Pat, I have trouble believing that this committee will do that much rearranging of the traditional regions.  They had similar opportunities last year with DPU and Th More, but did not use that to their advantage.

Also, in the interest of "balancing the brackets" (another thing that I don't think this committee attempted to do last year), is importing two more undefeated teams into an already stacked region really the appropriate thing to do (not counting the UWW/UMtU rotations since that's basically a wash)?  That UWW quarter-bracket has a grand total of two losses.

If Dick Kaiser were still chairing this committee, I'd be excited about the possibilities that they could come up with.  The chair last year gave no indication that they spent any time trying to think outside the box.

I wish I could take up your offer and create my own bracket.  However, I don't have the time to look up all the mileage stuff, especially when more questions will be answered in only a few more hours.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 01:48:21 AM
Quote from: altor on November 13, 2010, 01:25:44 AM
Pat, I have trouble believing that this committee will do that much rearranging of the traditional regions.  They had similar opportunities last year with DPU and Th More, but did not use that to their advantage.

We believe 10 South Region teams will be chosen (if the season plays out that way). How can they not rearrange?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2010, 01:43:02 PM
with 10 minutes left in 2nd Quarter in KY...

MSJ  0
TMC  16

MSJ has 1 first down and Thomas More has 14.  This is going to get ugly...

                  MSJ  TMC
1st downs     1  14
Rush yards   -7  71
Pass yards   30  81
Total offense 23  152
Penalties     5-60  1-5
Turnovers       0    0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
Wow, DC loses to Bluffton!  I am once again ashamed of our program.  Way to end the season strong DC >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on November 13, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Fc 48 Hc 25 final
fc played sloppy and quietly dominated the game
fc gave up 2 safeties, kickoff return for td and tons of penalties
gonna have to tighten it up next week

GO GRIZ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
Quote from: FCAlum06 on November 13, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Fc 48 Hc 25 final
fc played sloppy and quietly dominated the game
fc gave up 2 safeties, kickoff return for td and tons of penalties
gonna have to tighten it up next week

GO GRIZ
agree  HC has improved and hats off to them for playing hard all game etc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 14, 2010, 11:18:54 AM
My first Victory Bell game - Nice crowd and exciting environment.  Good luck to the Griz in the playoffs, represent the HCAC well.  Great year for the Panthers, especially considering the youth of the team.  With 19 of 22 starters returning for 2011 I think there's a lot to look forward to.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2010, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 14, 2010, 11:18:54 AM
My first Victory Bell game - Nice crowd and exciting environment.  Good luck to the Griz in the playoffs, represent the HCAC well.  Great year for the Panthers, especially considering the youth of the team.  With 19 of 22 starters returning for 2011 I think there's a lot to look forward to.

yessir... no offense, but can't wait to see the Panther fur fly in week 1 next year..

Nice turnaround for that team.


wow guys... Franklin AT a pissed off UW-Whitewater team???  Maybe some of the players from UW-WW will go "Roy Hampton" this week and not be able to make the game?  Some of you older regulars should know what that means.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2010, 09:19:43 PM
FC didnt get a preferred draw that is for sure.  I have seen some of the UWW posts.  Pompous A$$ comes to mind for some of those folks.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2010, 09:28:00 PM
GRIZ -- Franklin got the No. 7 seed that I projected for it in my last projection. Bet you wish you had that projection, though, rather than a trip to UWW.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2010, 09:43:00 PM
Didn't see that one coming for sure.  It is what it is.  with so many teams and not a lot of national information etc to truly compare etc, the NCAA does the best it can.  Sometimes the math works out and sometimes it doesn't.  On the bright side getting the play UWW this year and UMU in 2012/2013 will be good for the program.  Coach Leonard doesn't shy away from playing good teams.

Last time FC played a number 1 seed on the road they won 45-35.  Odds aren't good but stranger things have happened.

The GRIZ folks will show up and have fun regardless.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 15, 2010, 01:08:43 AM
Hey Griz -- after reading the posts on the WIAC board, I am convinced that the folks at UWW have never seen the FC faithful.  I assume that your fans will show up en mass as they did in Naperville in 2008 and in Kenosha earlier this year.  The Perk has a canon, so you will feel quite at home.  I am so looking forward to seeing you all in Naperville again later this year after you take care of those pesky Warhawks and the winner of the Trine/DePauw game.  I, for one, would not overlook the #1 offense in DIII, especially after I saw the team in action during 2007 and 2008.  If memory serves, a highly touted Otterbein team did that in 2008 and took it on the chin.  Good luck next Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 15, 2010, 01:31:07 AM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on November 15, 2010, 01:08:43 AM
Hey Griz -- after reading the posts on the WIAC board, I am convinced that the folks at UWW have never seen the FC faithful.  I assume that your fans will show up en mass as they did in Naperville in 2008 and in Kenosha earlier this year.  The Perk has a canon, so you will feel quite at home.  I am so looking forward to seeing you all in Naperville again later this year after you take care of those pesky Warhawks and the winner of the Trine/DePauw game.  I, for one, would not overlook the #1 offense in DIII, especially after I saw the team in action during 2007 and 2008.  If memory serves, a highly touted Otterbein team did that in 2008 and took it on the chin.  Good luck next Saturday.

UWW has the number one offense and the better defense statistically while Franklin has the number one scoring offense:

rush offense                                          9th (305.4)    64th (178.9)
pass offense                                           81st (217.1)    6th (311.1)
total offense                                            1st (522.6)    7th (490.0)
scoring offense                                         6th (44.9)    1st (48.1)
rush defense                                             4th (52.0)    8th (63.2)
pass defense                                         43rd (163.2)    64th (173.3)
total defense                                          5th (214.2)    12th (236.6)
scoring defense                                       4th (9.67)    8th (10.3)
quarterback efficiency    Matt Blanchard 4th (184.3)    Kyle Ray 1st (192.6)
Conference Rank                                           1st              20th

While Franklin won't be a pushover as say St. Lawrence and Benedictine would have been they also haven't seen a team that's anywhere near as talented as UWW. Franklin will not be able to run against UWW, meaning their passing game will have to be able to get the job done while being one dimensional.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2010, 07:26:59 AM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on November 15, 2010, 01:08:43 AM
Hey Griz -- after reading the posts on the WIAC board, I am convinced that the folks at UWW have never seen the FC faithful.  I assume that your fans will show up en mass as they did in Naperville in 2008 and in Kenosha earlier this year.  The Perk has a canon, so you will feel quite at home.  I am so looking forward to seeing you all in Naperville again later this year after you take care of those pesky Warhawks and the winner of the Trine/DePauw game.  I, for one, would not overlook the #1 offense in DIII, especially after I saw the team in action during 2007 and 2008.  If memory serves, a highly touted Otterbein team did that in 2008 and took it on the chin.  Good luck next Saturday.
Thanks.  FC isn't going to tremble at UWWs feet and will show up ready to play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 15, 2010, 09:21:59 AM
Good luck to Franklin on Saturday - time to shake up the status quo.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 15, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 15, 2010, 01:31:07 AM
UWW has the number one offense and the better defense statistically while Franklin has the number one scoring offense:

rush offense                                          9th (305.4)    64th (178.9)
pass offense                                           81st (217.1)    6th (311.1)
total offense                                            1st (522.6)    7th (490.0)
scoring offense                                         6th (44.9)    1st (48.1)
rush defense                                             4th (52.0)    8th (63.2)
pass defense                                         43rd (163.2)    64th (173.3)
total defense                                          5th (214.2)    12th (236.6)
scoring defense                                       4th (9.67)    8th (10.3)
quarterback efficiency    Matt Blanchard 4th (184.3)    Kyle Ray 1st (192.6)
Conference Rank                                           1st              20th

While Franklin won't be a pushover as say St. Lawrence and Benedictine would have been they also haven't seen a team that's anywhere near as talented as UWW. Franklin will not be able to run against UWW, meaning their passing game will have to be able to get the job done while being one dimensional.
MJ, I don't want to speak for the FC fans, but I already know that UWW has a great offense and defense, and is the best team in the land (see D3Football.com and AFCA polls).  I just know, from personal experience, that FC's offense is fun to watch and its defense is always better than you think it will be (because you spend so much time and energy focusing on and game-planning for the offense).  I became a bit of a FC fan when I watched Chad Rupp play and had the opportunity to meet some of their fun-loving fans.  I think that they are a much tougher draw than their seed would indicate, but will face some new challenges with UWW.  Griz -- how does Kyle Ray compare to Chad Rupp?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2010, 10:21:35 AM
Any Franklin fans who would like information about places to stay, eat or anything in general feel free to ask.  I'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions about the area.  I look forward to our meeting and playing a program whom we've never seen before. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2010, 10:47:37 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on November 15, 2010, 09:21:59 AM
Good luck to Franklin on Saturday - time to shake up the status quo.

Thanks for the props. Great opportunity for the GRIZ to represent the Hoosier state against arguably the best team in the country.. IMO (no offense to Trine, Bash, and DePauw) but the GRIZ are the best D3 team in the state.  This team is better than team two years ago IMO. (and that was a good one).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2010, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on November 15, 2010, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 15, 2010, 01:31:07 AM
UWW has the number one offense and the better defense statistically while Franklin has the number one scoring offense:

rush offense                                          9th (305.4)    64th (178.9)
pass offense                                           81st (217.1)    6th (311.1)
total offense                                            1st (522.6)    7th (490.0)
scoring offense                                         6th (44.9)    1st (48.1)
rush defense                                             4th (52.0)    8th (63.2)
pass defense                                         43rd (163.2)    64th (173.3)
total defense                                          5th (214.2)    12th (236.6)
scoring defense                                       4th (9.67)    8th (10.3)
quarterback efficiency    Matt Blanchard 4th (184.3)    Kyle Ray 1st (192.6)
Conference Rank                                           1st              20th

While Franklin won't be a pushover as say St. Lawrence and Benedictine would have been they also haven't seen a team that's anywhere near as talented as UWW. Franklin will not be able to run against UWW, meaning their passing game will have to be able to get the job done while being one dimensional.
MJ, I don't want to speak for the FC fans, but I already know that UWW has a great offense and defense, and is the best team in the land (see D3Football.com and AFCA polls).  I just know, from personal experience, that FC's offense is fun to watch and its defense is always better than you think it will be (because you spend so much time and energy focusing on and game-planning for the offense).  I became a bit of a FC fan when I watched Chad Rupp play and had the opportunity to meet some of their fun-loving fans.  I think that they are a much tougher draw than their seed would indicate, but will face some new challenges with UWW.  Griz -- how does Kyle Ray compare to Chad Rupp?

Rupp was arguably better at ad-hoc play making and turning up field and running with the ball.   Ray may be a more accurate and stronger passer.  Ray can throw well on the run as well.  Rupp probably would be considered the better QB overall but Kyle is defintely up there compared to most QBs in D3.  FC makes up for some of the gaps with a much better defense that years past (bigger, faster, etc) and deeper receiving core, plus much better running game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 15, 2010, 11:14:31 AM
Good luck, Grizzlies...I know you'll represent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 15, 2010, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2010, 10:21:35 AM
Any Franklin fans who would like information about places to stay, eat or anything in general feel free to ask.  I'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions about the area.  I look forward to our meeting and playing a program whom we've never seen before. 

Badgerwarhawk,
I am the head of tailgating for our Alumni / Parents Group Called the Touchdown Club.  I would be interested in hearing about the tailgating environment at Whitewater.  We travel with a nice size group and look forward to coming up Wisconsin.  As far as hotels we are staying in Janesville the night before and plan a night before activity at the Fuddruckers right next to our hotel.  Please feel free to stop by our tailgate and try some of our grub.  This week we will be feeding our group chicken and noodles, chicken breasts, mashed potatoes, green beans, burgers and dogs. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
The tailgating is great at Perkins Stadium.  It's a tradition in Wisconsin and we've got lots of people that do it in the lot adjacent to the stadium and across the street behind the gymnasium/field house.  There are a few rules. 

1.  You can start three hours before the game.  You can also tailgate for two hours after the game.  The lot tends to fill up fairly quickly so it's a good idea to get there early.  Parking is $4 unless they change it for the playoffs.
2.  No open fires.  Only grills are allowed. 
3.  There is no ban on alcohol so bring whatever you wish to drink.  However you can't have a keg.  It has to be bottles, cans, etc.
4.  You can only tailgate in the area immediately behind your vehicle and you need to keep the driving lane as open as possible. 

That's about all I can remember regarding the tailgating rules. 

It's a good idea to stay in Janesville.  Whitewater is a small town and lodging is limited to a couple of hotels only one of which has a pool.  Most of our visitors stay in Janesville or Fort Atkinson.   It sounds like you are probably at the Holiday Inn Express which is near Fuddruckers.  You're only a few blocks away from the Janesville Mall which offers plenty of shopping.  There is also a Hooters behind the Farm/Fleet store if you're into that.  A good place to eat in Whitewater is Randy's Fun Hunters which is located on Milwaukee St on the east side of town.  It is also a brew pup with several different selections.  If you like beer you'll like Randys. 

Let me be the first to welcome you to the University of Wisconsin - Whitewater and the Whitewater community.  We've got terrific facilities and we're glad to have you in town.  You're a little less than a half hour drive in Janesville.  I'll try to swing by your tailgate and greet you personally. 

Game on, it should be a good one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 15, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
First of all, congrats to Franklin for winning the HCAC crown!  Hopefully they can make some noise and knock of the defending champ in the first round.  Whether you're playing "The Mount" or Whitewater, to be the best you need to beat the best and IMO and probably everyone elses (except the NCAA's) Whitewater is the best.  Second and finally, here's to a great first round of DIII football playoffs.  Everyone has it right IMO except the Bowl subdivion.  Playoffs are the best way to determine the true Champ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
For Franklin fans unable to attend Saturday's game there will be live video streaming of the game (free of charge).  Kickoff is noon CST.  There will be a link to the video streaming added on the athletic department website.  It should be on the daily calender.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 16, 2010, 02:56:04 PM
Thanks for the info badgerwarhawk
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 16, 2010, 03:14:28 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
The tailgating is great at Perkins Stadium.  It's a tradition in Wisconsin and we've got lots of people that do it in the lot adjacent to the stadium and across the street behind the gymnasium/field house.  There are a few rules. 

1.  You can start three hours before the game.  You can also tailgate for two hours after the game.  The lot tends to fill up fairly quickly so it's a good idea to get there early.  Parking is $4 unless they change it for the playoffs.
2.  No open fires.  Only grills are allowed. 
3.  There is no ban on alcohol so bring whatever you wish to drink.  However you can't have a keg.  It has to be bottles, cans, etc.
4.  You can only tailgate in the area immediately behind your vehicle and you need to keep the driving lane as open as possible. 

That's about all I can remember regarding the tailgating rules. 

It's a good idea to stay in Janesville.  Whitewater is a small town and lodging is limited to a couple of hotels only one of which has a pool.  Most of our visitors stay in Janesville or Fort Atkinson.   It sounds like you are probably at the Holiday Inn Express which is near Fuddruckers.  You're only a few blocks away from the Janesville Mall which offers plenty of shopping.  There is also a Hooters behind the Farm/Fleet store if you're into that.  A good place to eat in Whitewater is Randy's Fun Hunters which is located on Milwaukee St on the east side of town.  It is also a brew pup with several different selections.  If you like beer you'll like Randys. 

Let me be the first to welcome you to the University of Wisconsin - Whitewater and the Whitewater community.  We've got terrific facilities and we're glad to have you in town.  You're a little less than a half hour drive in Janesville.  I'll try to swing by your tailgate and greet you personally. 

Game on, it should be a good one.
Badgerwarhawk,
Thanks for the information.  I look forward to a great day in Wisconsin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 16, 2010, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
For Franklin fans unable to attend Saturday's game there will be live video streaming of the game (free of charge).
What about Defiance fans that would like to see the game online?  Do we have to pay?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 16, 2010, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: altor on November 16, 2010, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
For Franklin fans unable to attend Saturday's game there will be live video streaming of the game (free of charge).
What about Defiance fans that would like to see the game online?  Do we have to pay?

yes, this is just for UWW and Franklin fans only.   ;)

I'm sure it's free for everyone...even for Defiance fans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
If I'm not mistaken by NCAA rules the video streaming of post season tournament games has to be free. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2010, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 16, 2010, 04:16:42 PM

yes, this is just for UWW and Franklin fans only.   ;)

I'm sure it's free for everyone...even for Defiance fans.

Dude, those don't exist... once a crappy program, always a crappy (dodgin'-teams) program...


One Love HCAC..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 17, 2010, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: altor on November 16, 2010, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
For Franklin fans unable to attend Saturday's game there will be live video streaming of the game (free of charge).
What about Defiance fans that would like to see the game online?  Do we have to pay?

I didn't know either of you were interested.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: T_Unit14 on November 17, 2010, 08:31:56 PM
Good luck to the "Griz" this weekend from a UWW fan.  It doesn't matter how "good" you hear your team is year in and year out, when playoff time rolls around I always get nervous and like to see what the rest of the country has to offer.

Safe travels to all of you who plan on making the trek.  It looks like a brisk morning and highs in the low 40's for gametime.  Slight chance of rain later in the afternoon/night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 17, 2010, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2010, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 16, 2010, 04:16:42 PM

yes, this is just for UWW and Franklin fans only.   ;)

I'm sure it's free for everyone...even for Defiance fans.

Dude, those don't exist... once a crappy program, always a crappy (dodgin'-teams) program...


One Love HCAC..

You ruthless son of a......
SaintsFan,
First, I am going to go on a full scale effort to have our AD schedule you guys for the rest of eternity.  Then, I'm going to start dishing out Cam Newton money for players.  Next, I'm going to get buy out Rich Rod's contract from Michigan and get him to coach at DC.  Finally, after years of laying the smack down on TMC, I'm going to turn your college back into a convent.
or
We can just get you guys on the schedule so you can stop complaining that DC doesn't play you anymore and that you're not part of the HCAC. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 18, 2010, 02:34:44 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 17, 2010, 08:34:58 PM


You ruthless son of a......
SaintsFan,
First, I am going to go on a full scale effort to have our AD schedule you guys for the rest of eternity.  Then, I'm going to start dishing out Cam Newton money for players.  Next, I'm going to get buy out Rich Rod's contract from Michigan and get him to coach at DC.  Finally, after years of laying the smack down on TMC, I'm going to turn your college back into a convent.
or
We can just get you guys on the schedule so you can stop complaining that DC doesn't play you anymore and that you're not part of the HCAC. ;)

;D ;D ;D - guess when Earlham was selected, the HCAC determined a second institution of alter boys abusers might be more than the stodgy prods could handle?   :D

Has Been - why not make it easy, divert McMaster monies ala Tri State's model, and rename the college? (Mc)Master the Moment seems so much more potent than "Defy the Ordinary" which is rather oxymoronic.  ::)

"Oh, I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2010, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 17, 2010, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2010, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 16, 2010, 04:16:42 PM

yes, this is just for UWW and Franklin fans only.   ;)

I'm sure it's free for everyone...even for Defiance fans.

Dude, those don't exist... once a crappy program, always a crappy (dodgin'-teams) program...


One Love HCAC..

You ruthless son of a......
SaintsFan,
First, I am going to go on a full scale effort to have our AD schedule you guys for the rest of eternity.  Then, I'm going to start dishing out Cam Newton money for players.  Next, I'm going to get buy out Rich Rod's contract from Michigan and get him to coach at DC.  Finally, after years of laying the smack down on TMC, I'm going to turn your college back into a convent.
or
We can just get you guys on the schedule so you can stop complaining that DC doesn't play you anymore and that you're not part of the HCAC. ;)

haha... sorry
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 18, 2010, 11:10:57 AM
Bob, I like your idea!  Time to put the squeeze on the Prez.

Kev, Good Luck this weekend!  Hopefully one day DC and TMC will get the rivalry going again.  I like the idea of TMC on schedule instead of Muskingum.  Plus, I think DC will return to being a consistent contender in the HCAC and by adding a team like TMC will only benefit them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
dc_has_been, SaintsFAN, and cave2:

You guys are hilarious! ;D  +k for all of you!  I hope you all are doing well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
Packing up and getting ready to head up to the Badger state to see FC and Whitewater.  most of the GRIZ faithful will be staying in Janesville (just down the road) tonight and on to WW in the am.  Good times and cocktails regardless of the rankings, seedings, and score!!

Good luck to the GRIZ!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 19, 2010, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
Packing up and getting ready to head up to the Badger state to see FC and Whitewater.  most of the GRIZ faithful will be staying in Janesville (just down the road) tonight and on to WW in the am.  Good times and cocktails regardless of the rankings, seedings, and score!!

Good luck to the GRIZ!



Need to update your signature GRIZ!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2010, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
dc_has_been, SaintsFAN, and cave2:

You guys are hilarious! ;D  +k for all of you!  I hope you all are doing well.
Thanks formerd3db, right back at you!  All is good except that I'm still bitter with the end of the season loss by DC, but now I'll have my focus on Franklin and Trine since I played in the MIAA for two years as well.  Hope all is well with you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 19, 2010, 01:58:16 PM
saintsfan you guys getting no love 2 of 3 picking Wash/Lee and Pats pick while a W has your D getting hammered.  should be an interesting one
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2010, 02:28:18 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 19, 2010, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
dc_has_been, SaintsFAN, and cave2:

You guys are hilarious! ;D  +k for all of you!  I hope you all are doing well.
Thanks formerd3db, right back at you!  All is good except that I'm still bitter with the end of the season loss by DC, but now I'll have my focus on Franklin and Trine since I played in the MIAA for two years as well.  Hope all is well with you.

You are welcome.  Good to hear from you.  I am doing fine.  Yes, I will be looking at those two games as well, since we've played them both before and, of course, Trine being our MIAA representative.  It looks like the weather might be decent tomorrow for those games.  Take care and talk to you later.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
dc_has_been and 70_dc_alum:

Has there been any rumblings about the DC head coaching job? Is RT's job safe?  Just curious.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
formerd3db,
As far as I know his job is safe.  He posted a winning record and now has the most wins for DC's football history, plus he brings back pretty much everyone from this years squad.  It would be difficult to cut him loose IMO. 
I'm really hoping he puts together a squad that will truely compete for the championship next year.  He will have everything he needs to help him recruiting.  The fieldhouse, a president that supports the program and wants to see more out of state players, and a strong class of returners for next season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2010, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 19, 2010, 01:58:16 PM
saintsfan you guys getting no love 2 of 3 picking Wash/Lee and Pats pick while a W has your D getting hammered.  should be an interesting one

I fully anticipate a great game tomorrow.  They've not been getting any love all year and its helped them.  

They'll have to win in TX next week to garner any respect from losing to a good Johns Hopkins last year on the last play of the game.. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2010, 07:12:43 PM
dc_has_been:

Thanks for the info.  I thought perhaps that would be the situation, especially due to the winning season this year, although I wasn't sure how the Bluffton loss in last week's last game might have an effect on the administration and alumni. Indeed, DC theoretically, should be able to be in the run for the HCAC title next year.  I see Franklin and them as two of the teams to beat.

One more question, if I may.  I see where your DC is down to about 730 enrollment.  Do you ever seem them topping 1,000, and if not, why?  Olivet in our MIAA has historically always been anywhere from 680 to 900+.  They have been around 950 the past decade and the past 3 years, although about 3 years ago or so, they topped a 1,000 for a couple of years I believe.  And way back in my time, they had 1,000 for about 4 years when their football team regained some resurgance for a bit (before they hit "bottom" again, until their improved stretch the past decade until these past 3 years after their MIAA co-title in 2006. Anyway, I was just curious about DC in that regard.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2010, 02:32:16 AM
Since enrollment stuff was mentioned, I thought I'd throw out the fact that it looks like UWW has the 2nd largest enrollment of the 32 playoff teams while Franklin is the smallest.

I'm looking forward to a good game tomorrow. I think the Triple Take predictions are off. No way Franklin loses by more than 20 and hopefully they don't even lose at all.

Good luck Grizzlies :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2010, 11:51:32 AM
Good luck to Franklin and Thomas More today. Hope the two teams represent themselves and their conferences well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 20, 2010, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2010, 07:12:43 PM
I see where your DC is down to about 730 enrollment.
Actually, it is "up to."  This is the largest enrollment at Defiance in something like 13 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 20, 2010, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 20, 2010, 11:51:32 AM
Good luck to Franklin and Thomas More today. Hope the two teams represent themselves and their conferences well.

42-14 Final in Crestview Hills... TMC jumped out to a 14-0 lead and didn't look back.  They appeared to be bigger and more athletic and that was the difference.  Thomas More had some injuries on defense going into this game, but the kids really stepped up and Kendall Owens/Rob Kue/Dominique Haydon are a handful for teams to prepare for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 20, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Congrats to Franklin for a hard fought, well played game today. You put a scare in the Warhawks today with your play. Great crowd you brought, too.
I think you've won many fans today in Wisconsin. The score doesn't begin to tell how close this game was. Hope all the Franklin fans and team get home safely
Good luck in the future.

EDIT: Was just listening to the post game press conference. VERY impressed with FC coach Leonard (hope I got that right) and the players on the panel. With a man like that leading your team, you're always going to be alright.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 20, 2010, 06:55:04 PM
I, too, would like to congratulate Franklin College on playing an excellent game.  They are a VERY good football team.  I was also very impressed with Coach Leonard in his press conference.  He sounds like an excellent leader and an excellent football coach. 

All Franklin fans should be really proud of this team. I know I will be pulling for you next year!

Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarhawkDad on November 20, 2010, 08:19:30 PM
Congrats to Franklin on a truly quality game.  Very impressed with your offense, especially the QB and also your fans.   Good Luck in the future!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 20, 2010, 09:20:40 PM
Griz -- Congratulations on a great season and a heck of an effort today in Whitewater.  Looks like boys gained few new followers in the WIAC today (like they had in the CCIW and OAC during the past couple of years).  BTW, there were quite a few fans following and cheering your every move at a certain stadium in the western suburbs of Chicago today.  Keep up the good work during the offseason.  We are looking for big things again next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 21, 2010, 01:57:39 AM
formerd3db,

I believe their are plans to keep on increasing the enrollment size.  Especially on campus students are the main focus.  After the field house there are even talks of building another residence hall to help that area too.  We shall see what is talk and what actually happens in Defiance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 21, 2010, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 20, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Congrats to Franklin for a hard fought, well played game today. You put a scare in the Warhawks today with your play. Great crowd you brought, too.
I think you've won many fans today in Wisconsin. The score doesn't begin to tell how close this game was. Hope all the Franklin fans and team get home safely
Good luck in the future.

EDIT: Was just listening to the post game press conference. VERY impressed with FC coach Leonard (hope I got that right) and the players on the panel. With a man like that leading your team, you're always going to be alright.

The GRIZ represented themselves and the HCAC well once again.  I agree the the score is a bit misleading.  FC made a few more mistakes and let a couple of big plays occur.  Otherwise they lined up toe to toe, moved the ball down the field and generally held their own.  For most of the game the FC defense was able to force the Warhawks to "throw the rock" vs "pound the rock"  (with the exception of two big running plays).  Unfortunately for FC, UWW can throw it around the yard pretty well.

Word is that UWW will be coming down to FC next season for a regular season game.  That will be UWW in 2011, and Mt Union in 2012 and 2013.  Hopefully when the playoff seeding is done next year, etc common sense will reign vs a math problem.

Good season GRIZ and looking forward to ruling the HCAC again next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2010, 08:30:39 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 21, 2010, 01:57:39 AM
formerd3db,

I believe their are plans to keep on increasing the enrollment size.  Especially on campus students are the main focus.  After the field house there are even talks of building another residence hall to help that area too.  We shall see what is talk and what actually happens in Defiance.

Appreciate the follow-up.  They have developed a nice campus and upgraded the facilities for sure in the last decade.  JMO, but I think that most of these colleges should try to get enrollment to at least 1,000.  But, on the other hand, some like Defiance and Olivet or even Eureka and Menlo for example, have apparently done well with enrollments 3/4 or half that number to keep their doors open for 100+ years (well, okay I don't think Menlo is that old, but the others are ;D)  Anyway, it appears Defiance has done quite well in that regard.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 21, 2010, 10:21:17 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 21, 2010, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 20, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Congrats to Franklin for a hard fought, well played game today. You put a scare in the Warhawks today with your play. Great crowd you brought, too.
I think you've won many fans today in Wisconsin. The score doesn't begin to tell how close this game was. Hope all the Franklin fans and team get home safely
Good luck in the future.

EDIT: Was just listening to the post game press conference. VERY impressed with FC coach Leonard (hope I got that right) and the players on the panel. With a man like that leading your team, you're always going to be alright.

The GRIZ represented themselves and the HCAC well once again.  I agree the the score is a bit misleading.  FC made a few more mistakes and let a couple of big plays occur.  Otherwise they lined up toe to toe, moved the ball down the field and generally held their own.  For most of the game the FC defense was able to force the Warhawks to "throw the rock" vs "pound the rock"  (with the exception of two big running plays).  Unfortunately for FC, UWW can throw it around the yard pretty well.

Word is that UWW will be coming down to FC next season for a regular season game.  That will be UWW in 2011, and Mt Union in 2012 and 2013.  Hopefully when the playoff seeding is done next year, etc common sense will reign vs a math problem.

Good season GRIZ and looking forward to ruling the HCAC again next year.


I hope that word is true.  That would be AWESOME!  If so, I've become an even bigger fan of Franklin!  Clearly the Grizzlies are setting their sights on national prominence. Good for them!!!   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 21, 2010, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 21, 2010, 08:28:41 AM
... Hopefully when the playoff seeding is done next year, etc common sense will reign vs a math problem.
Good season GRIZ and looking forward to ruling the HCAC again next year.

Probably a good idea to have some alternate plans just in case.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
Congrats to the Grizzlies.  You represented well and your tailgate was impressive.  Did some of you grow up in Wisconsin? ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on November 21, 2010, 07:15:22 PM
Adding my congrats also to the Grizzlies, the coaching staff and fans.  Your team and tailgate was first class.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 21, 2010, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2010, 02:32:16 AM
Since enrollment stuff was mentioned, I thought I'd throw out the fact that it looks like UWW has the 2nd largest enrollment of the 32 playoff teams while Franklin is the smallest.

I'm looking forward to a good game tomorrow. I think the Triple Take predictions are off. No way Franklin loses by more than 20 and hopefully they don't even lose at all.

Good luck Grizzlies :)

For the longest time this looked to be true. I was very impressed by Franklin, they're definitely not a typical first-round opponent that whitewater typically runs over.

It also seemed there was just as many Franklin fans there as UWW fans....which doesn't make us look good.  ;)

If the rumors are true that Franklin will schedule UWW next season, that will be great for both programs. too bad it isn't considered a regional game though. I'll be looking forward to the rematch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 21, 2010, 08:35:34 PM
^ it was mentioned during the post game press conference that the two coaches had a nice discussion on Friday night prior to the game. Maybe a deal was struck.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 23, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
Congrats to the Warhawks for doing what they had to do and moving on to face Trine.  UWW has a great team!  Congrats to the Grizzlies on a fine season and for playing hard at UWW.  It was a shame that we had to meet in the first round.  Now you can see why d3football.com voted the Franklin tailgate the "Best D3 Tailgate in the Nation"! :)

A regular season game would benefit both schools but would be tough for the Grizzlies since they have already scheduled Mt. Union for a home & home. :o

Trine is very similar to Franklin.  The Thunder edged Franklin at Trine in 2008 and the Grizzlies returned the favor at home in 2009 (Trine's last regular season loss).  Watt and Ray are similar QBs.  Ray is a more accurate passer but Watt is a more dangerous runner.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2010, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 23, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
Congrats to the Warhawks for doing what they had to do and moving on to face Trine.  UWW has a great team!  Congrats to the Grizzlies on a fine season and for playing hard at UWW.  It was a shame that we had to meet in the first round.  Now you can see why d3football.com voted the Franklin tailgate the "Best D3 Tailgate in the Nation"! :)

A regular season game would benefit both schools but would be tough for the Grizzlies since they have already scheduled Mt. Union for a home & home. :o

Trine is very similar to Franklin.  The Thunder edged Franklin at Trine in 2008 and the Grizzlies returned the favor at home in 2009 (Trine's last regular season loss).  Watt and Ray are similar QBs.  Ray is a more accurate passer but Watt is a more dangerous runner.

GrizFan: I don't remember a vote. But Keith is definitely in your corner. I'll have to get to a Franklin game someday to see for myself.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2010, 06:48:07 PM
ESPN voted (I am not sure how that worked but they did).

As far as Trine:  They may near equal on the field but they will need to step up their game in the lot.  FC rules when it comes to food and good times.  UWW and NCC can attest (for starters)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2010, 01:12:50 AM
ESPN is not D3football.com. :)

Congrats to the HCAC's Gagliardi Trophy finalist. Fans, don't forget to go out and vote.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/11/gagliardi-trophy-finalists
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 24, 2010, 12:26:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2010, 01:12:50 AM
ESPN is not D3football.com. :)
Congrats to the HCAC's Gagliardi Trophy finalist. Fans, don't forget to go out and vote.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/11/gagliardi-trophy-finalists
It is not espn, but d3everything.com is very relevant and is creditable and well known.  I would say I spend more time on D3football & D3hoops than espn.com.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 24, 2010, 12:27:24 PM
Oh yeah, congrats on Ray being one of the 10 finalists.  Place your votes for him HCAC posters.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
Are you HCAC guys on Thanksgiving vacation here or are you just silenced after Franklin's loss in the first round? ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 27, 2010, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
Are you HCAC guys on Thanksgiving vacation here or are you just silenced after Franklin's loss in the first round? ???


Shouldn't be silent here... the 2000 and 2001 HCAC Champs (unofficial, of course) are still playing today in Belton TX  ---
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 27, 2010, 04:03:04 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 27, 2010, 09:44:49 AM
Shouldn't be silent here... the 2000 and 2001 HCAC Champs (unofficial, of course) are still playing today in Belton TX  ---

If you call that playing...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 27, 2010, 06:07:56 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 27, 2010, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
Are you HCAC guys on Thanksgiving vacation here or are you just silenced after Franklin's loss in the first round? ???


Shouldn't be silent here... the 2000 and 2001 HCAC Champs (unofficial, of course) are still playing today in Belton TX  ---

Ugly score for the Saints. Good season anyway for TMC,  Saintsfan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 08:47:14 PM
Yes, GrizzBk'er, I was also surprised at the TMC score.  Not what I expected from them.  Sorry they didn't advance, SaintsFAN.  Nonetheless, your alma mater did have a great season as mentioned.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 29, 2010, 08:22:36 AM
MHB is scary good.  TMC was banged up at the end of the year... they'll be back next season.. they were young this year.  Look for them to take another step in 2011. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
Could MHB mix things up with Da'Mount or Whitewater?  I would really like to see someone different in the Stagg Bowl this year.  Whitewater IMO has shown that they can not blow everyone out of the water.  They allowed some big numbers from Franklin and Trine.  It will be interesting to see if anyone can unseat either one of those two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 02, 2010, 01:51:30 PM
Congrats and Good Luck to Kyle Ray for being a finalist for the Galiardi Trophy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on December 02, 2010, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 29, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
Could MHB mix things up with Da'Mount or Whitewater?  I would really like to see someone different in the Stagg Bowl this year.  Whitewater IMO has shown that they can not blow everyone out of the water.  They allowed some big numbers from Franklin and Trine.  It will be interesting to see if anyone can unseat either one of those two.

That could very well happen this year. Although UMU doesn't play it's first playoff game till next week  ::)   ;D.

As a UWW fan, I'm nervous about traveling to play NCC. then if we squeek by them we'll have to hit the road again and play against one of two teams that are equally as tough....just to GET to the Stagg Bowl. This might be the year there isn't a UMU-UWW Stagg Bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 02, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
Warhawk,  The NCAA did set UWW up for failure this year that is for sure.  IMO, both Trine and Franklin were solid teams while some other teams do have an easier road to travel. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
Didn't know if any of you had read it, but there is a nice article on small town guys on the front page. Kind of hit close to home where my graduating class was only 85.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 13, 2010, 11:45:38 AM
Congrats to all the HCAC guys that earned all region!  Glad to see especially that Defiance put three on there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 13, 2010, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
Didn't know if any of you had read it, but there is a nice article on small town guys on the front page. Kind of hit close to home where my graduating class was only 85.

just outside of Cincy, yours was only 85 because there were 22 people in jail when you graduated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 13, 2010, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on December 10, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
Didn't know if any of you had read it, but there is a nice article on small town guys on the front page. Kind of hit close to home where my graduating class was only 85.

just outside of Cincy, yours was only 85 because there were 22 people in jail when you graduated.

You guys are very funny - thanks for a great laugh today! :)  +k for both.  Hope you guys are doing well.  SaintsFAN, looks like we "blew it again" this year for trying to organize a trip of several guys going to The Stagg Bowl.  As I recall, you made it last year.  Unfortunately, it looks like I won't be able to make it this year - I was hoping to try and do so.  Well...there is always next year I hope!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Congrats Coach Sokol new HC at RHIT!  Looking forward to the first Taylor vsSokol match
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on December 17, 2010, 09:27:08 AM
Merry Christmas from J. Denny Beaver. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1dOtLBIBBs&feature=player_embedded)

Does Defiance really deserve the "big X" in naughty though?  It seems to me that they gave Bluffton about 5 turnovers a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 17, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Congrats Coach Sokol new HC at RHIT!  Looking forward to the first Taylor vsSokol match

That's Awesome!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2010, 03:07:38 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 17, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Congrats Coach Sokol new HC at RHIT!  Looking forward to the first Taylor vsSokol match

That's Awesome!!!
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Congrats Coach Sokol new HC at RHIT!  Looking forward to the first Taylor vsSokol match

Yes, it is good to see another University of Chicago guy get a HC job.  Chicago has done pretty well in recent years.  I guess I had forgotten or missed that RHIT's former head coach left in Sept to take the OC position at his alma mater FCS Indiana State, although that isn't surprising since he played there.  However, I'm sure that didn't sit well with the RHIT people since it occured soooooooo late.  I also had forgotten that the one Kerras brother had stayed at RHIT after his brother had left to establish the program at Marian in Indianapolis.  Anyway, yes, congrats to Sokol, who also coached at Kalamazoo College for one year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moskowe on December 17, 2010, 04:32:06 PM
my son jeremy moskow has a you tube video please check it out and pass it on to a coach if you like what you see. Thanks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 17, 2010, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: moskowe on December 17, 2010, 04:32:06 PM
my son jeremy moskow has a you tube video please check it out and pass it on to a coach if you like what you see. Thanks

STOP spamming the messageboards with this. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moskowe on December 17, 2010, 04:51:56 PM
no prob, point taken
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 17, 2010, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 17, 2010, 03:07:38 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 17, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Congrats Coach Sokol new HC at RHIT!  Looking forward to the first Taylor vsSokol match

That's Awesome!!!
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 16, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Congrats Coach Sokol new HC at RHIT!  Looking forward to the first Taylor vsSokol match

Yes, it is good to see another University of Chicago guy get a HC job.  Chicago has done pretty well in recent years.  I guess I had forgotten or missed that RHIT's former head coach left in Sept to take the OC position at his alma mater FCS Indiana State, although that isn't surprising since he played there.  However, I'm sure that didn't sit well with the RHIT people since it occured soooooooo late.  I also had forgotten that the one Kerras brother had stayed at RHIT after his brother had left to establish the program at Marian in Indianapolis.  Anyway, yes, congrats to Sokol, who also coached at Kalamazoo College for one year.

he is a kzoo grad too.  Only time I ever remember him pissed was before we played Albion. he hated them apparently they had Albion beat his senior year down a couple pts at the 1yd line with no time left and 4-5 times in a row the Albion DB tackles the WR beat on the play for. Pass interference to preserve the lead and extend the game  until they finally dropped one. and stole the win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 23, 2010, 02:49:22 PM
Wish everyone on the Board a safe and glorious holiday and as is expressed here on the other end of the world:

Geseende Kerfees en 'n voorspoediga Nuwejaar!

from the General Manager, Chief Pimp, and Gopher at "Sevenbees"
Bev and Bob's Batswana Bed, Breakfast, and Beer Bordello in Gaborone  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 14, 2011, 04:30:05 PM
I'm going to try to break the silence and see if anyone has any details about the progress of their programs?  School should have or are starting up again from the winter break.  Hopefully, dc players spent that time working out and enjoying time with their families just like I did ;).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on January 28, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
Rumor has it that Wisconsin-Whitewater has agreed to come to Franklin next season replacing Carthage who backed out of coming for one of Franklins out of conference games.

If Franklin returns the favor in 2012 I think that means they will open the season up with Wisconsin-Whitewater and Mount Union for out of conference games.

GRIZ_BACKER help me out. Is there any truth to this rumor?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 28, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
Wow, that will put them at the 1 SOS till they start playing thier conference foes ;).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 30, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
I'm at the hospital with the Ol Lady, she's received the epideral (tried to go naturally but the labor was moving slow), and we are awaiting our little girl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2011, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 30, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
I'm at the hospital with the Ol Lady, she's received the epideral (tried to go naturally but the labor was moving slow), and we are awaiting our little girl.

How exciting for you Sayer!  We'll keep you both (actually all 3 of you!) in prayer - let us all know when the blessed event is completed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Due to some complications, my wife had to get a C-Section. Lilly Briana was born at 11:24 on January 30th. I'm pretty pumped.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2011, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Due to some complications, my wife had to get a C-Section. Lilly Briana was born at 11:24 on January 30th. I'm pretty pumped.

Congratulations!!

Our older son was an emergency C; second one was the old-fashioned way!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 31, 2011, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Due to some complications, my wife had to get a C-Section. Lilly Briana was born at 11:24 on January 30th. I'm pretty pumped.

Sayer:
Congratulations to you and your wife and this blessed event!  One of the many important milestones in your lives.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 01, 2011, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Due to some complications, my wife had to get a C-Section. Lilly Briana was born at 11:24 on January 30th. I'm pretty pumped.
Congratulations and a little Karma to go with it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on January 28, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
Rumor has it that Wisconsin-Whitewater has agreed to come to Franklin next season replacing Carthage who backed out of coming for one of Franklins out of conference games.

If Franklin returns the favor in 2012 I think that means they will open the season up with Wisconsin-Whitewater and Mount Union for out of conference games.

GRIZ_BACKER help me out. Is there any truth to this rumor?

I don't know if 2012 is being discussed but I know 2011 has been on the table since at least late November. I also talked to Mike Leonard in Salem and he was not in a position to say whether it would happen or not, but was clearly not ruling it out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Due to some complications, my wife had to get a C-Section. Lilly Briana was born at 11:24 on January 30th. I'm pretty pumped.
Next question, Dad...

When are you going to let her date?    ;)    :D    :o     ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 02, 2011, 12:52:49 AM
Congratulations, Sayers' - I know of a great hideaway, Adam, if the XX vibes become too constrictive  ;D ;D

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2011, 08:12:39 PM

Next question, Dad...

When are you going to let her date?    ;)    :D    :o     ;D


Guns don't kill people - dads with daughters are another matter, entirely...   :D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 03, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
Ralph that was quality!!  Congrats Sayer.  someone needs to tell Franklin to step up and quit scheudling these cupcakes before conference starts, we know the HCAC is a guantlet that you have to stay healthy for but come on!

i hear DC had a huge day yesterday on national signing day even stole a few from the Big 10.  one kid they stole was quoted i would rather ride the bench at DC than have to start as a freshman for Michigan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on February 03, 2011, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 03, 2011, 08:29:18 AM

i hear DC had a huge day yesterday on national signing day even stole a few from the Big 10.  one kid they stole was quoted i would rather ride the bench at DC than have to start as a freshman for Michigan.

+k - and any youngster would prefer dinner, "study table," and ping pong with the prez, a brain sandwich at Kistner's, and the friendly confines of the Back 40 over the beer selections and pizza on Williams Street or a Zingermann's specialty in Kerrytown.   ;D

Rumors reached Cave's remote, "Seven B's*" lair overnight that RT was sporting a purple vest, streaked hair, and wired shades in effort to confuse several, protanomalous, OSU aspirants -  after 15 hours of downloading, still awaiting the 45 second video for confirmation!  :D ;)

* Bev and Bob's Batswana Bed, Breakfast, and Beer Bordello
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 04, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
Congrats Sayer!

70_dc_alum, I heard something similar, but it was OSU he turned down b/c he didn't want to be surrounded by players that sold their goods for tatts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldtiger on February 05, 2011, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

Purchase and polish?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 07, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
Back on the board after some time off... hope everyone enjoyed the Steelers getting beat last night.  I know I did...


Sayer, I told you to take the over.. defense schmefense.. . . . And congrats on finally having our kid.   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 08, 2011, 09:52:04 AM
Looking forward to the UWW-Franklin matchup early in the 2011 season...I was glad both sides agreed to play each other...too bad it's only for one season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
UW-W fans and their staff, I imagine, are thrilled to get a NC game that doesn't involve a D-2 or NAIA opponent and to get one the quality of Franklin is such a bonus!  They showed a lot in their game against us!  Sorry, I know you were looking for perspective that wasn't from a Warhawk fan but hard to quell our excitement at the thought of a competitive game that counts toward both teams SOS! Been awfully rare for us the last few years ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 09, 2011, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.

I think Adrian cancelled with UWW while it was Carthage that cancelled with Franklin.

It should be an exciting day at Franklin to play UWW for their home opener.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 09, 2011, 11:18:24 AM
I really respect the Franklin program and Coach Leonard.   Scheduling UWW this year and then Mount Union in 2012/13 says a lot to me about the program wanting to raise their level of play. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
UW-W fans and their staff, I imagine, are thrilled to get a NC game that doesn't involve a D-2 or NAIA opponent and to get one the quality of Franklin is such a bonus!  They showed a lot in their game against us!  Sorry, I know you were looking for perspective that wasn't from a Warhawk fan but hard to quell our excitement at the thought of a competitive game that counts toward both teams SOS! Been awfully rare for us the last few years ;)

I hate to be the poop in the punch bowl, but unfortunately, I believe, only regional teams count towards SOS (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)....Wisconsin and Indiana aren't considered in the same region (http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#8). Which is unfortunate b/c both teams could have really benefited playing each other come selection time.

But good experience never-the-less for both teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
UW-W fans and their staff, I imagine, are thrilled to get a NC game that doesn't involve a D-2 or NAIA opponent and to get one the quality of Franklin is such a bonus!  They showed a lot in their game against us!  Sorry, I know you were looking for perspective that wasn't from a Warhawk fan but hard to quell our excitement at the thought of a competitive game that counts toward both teams SOS! Been awfully rare for us the last few years ;)

I hate to be the poop in the punch bowl, but unfortunately, I believe, only regional teams count towards SOS (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)....Wisconsin and Indiana aren't considered in the same region (http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#8). Which is unfortunate b/c both teams could have really benefited playing each other come selection time.

But good experience never-the-less for both teams.
Oh crap!  ;)  Thanks for the correction, 02.  I missed that little detail.  Guess getting a D-3 IN REGION opponent for a NC game would fall in the, "too good to be true," category.  Still great match up that will benefit both programs. Kudos to the Grizzlies and their staff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 10, 2011, 05:18:50 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
UW-W fans and their staff, I imagine, are thrilled to get a NC game that doesn't involve a D-2 or NAIA opponent and to get one the quality of Franklin is such a bonus!  They showed a lot in their game against us!  Sorry, I know you were looking for perspective that wasn't from a Warhawk fan but hard to quell our excitement at the thought of a competitive game that counts toward both teams SOS! Been awfully rare for us the last few years ;)

I hate to be the poop in the punch bowl, but unfortunately, I believe, only regional teams count towards SOS (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)....Wisconsin and Indiana aren't considered in the same region (http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#8). Which is unfortunate b/c both teams could have really benefited playing each other come selection time.

But good experience never-the-less for both teams.
Oh crap!  ;)  Thanks for the correction, 02.  I missed that little detail.  Guess getting a D-3 IN REGION opponent for a NC game would fall in the, "too good to be true," category.  Still great match up that will benefit both programs. Kudos to the Grizzlies and their staff.
Well, at least the game is against another DIII team instead of some other division.  I'm a bigger fan of those versus, NAIA or DII or DIAA.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on February 10, 2011, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on February 09, 2011, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.


wonder why carthage would cancel franklin?  It is my understanding it wasnt an two year deal.  I may be wrong. 

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.

I think Adrian cancelled with UWW while it was Carthage that cancelled with Franklin.

It should be an exciting day at Franklin to play UWW for their home opener.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 12, 2011, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
UW-W fans and their staff, I imagine, are thrilled to get a NC game that doesn't involve a D-2 or NAIA opponent and to get one the quality of Franklin is such a bonus!  They showed a lot in their game against us!  Sorry, I know you were looking for perspective that wasn't from a Warhawk fan but hard to quell our excitement at the thought of a competitive game that counts toward both teams SOS! Been awfully rare for us the last few years ;)

I hate to be the poop in the punch bowl, but unfortunately, I believe, only regional teams count towards SOS (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)....Wisconsin and Indiana aren't considered in the same region (http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#8). Which is unfortunate b/c both teams could have really benefited playing each other come selection time.

But good experience never-the-less for both teams.

That might be the dumbest thing I ever heard on multiple fronts.  1. Wisconsin and Indiana are logistically different regions. 2. Strength of schedule is only your region.

I can understand if it's not D3, but D3 is D3 if it is on the schedule it should determine how strong your schedule is, when Ohio state plays The U that counts on SOS even though they are different regions and the BCS is retarded but at least it recognizes games you play???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 14, 2011, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 12, 2011, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on February 09, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 05, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Yea Has Been cause michigan players know what to do with CHAMPIONSHIP gear

70_dc_alum:

What championship gear?  ??? ::) :o :D :);D

Anyway, hope you are doing well.

BTW, I posted a question/comment over on our MIAA board regarding Adrian's cancelling out of the Franklin game for this season and Franklin then adding UWW.  Just curious as to you and your colleagues thoughts here.  02 Warhawk has already weighed in on that from his/their i.e. UWW's perspective.
UW-W fans and their staff, I imagine, are thrilled to get a NC game that doesn't involve a D-2 or NAIA opponent and to get one the quality of Franklin is such a bonus!  They showed a lot in their game against us!  Sorry, I know you were looking for perspective that wasn't from a Warhawk fan but hard to quell our excitement at the thought of a competitive game that counts toward both teams SOS! Been awfully rare for us the last few years ;)

I hate to be the poop in the punch bowl, but unfortunately, I believe, only regional teams count towards SOS (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)....Wisconsin and Indiana aren't considered in the same region (http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#8). Which is unfortunate b/c both teams could have really benefited playing each other come selection time.

But good experience never-the-less for both teams.

That might be the dumbest thing I ever heard on multiple fronts.  1. Wisconsin and Indiana are logistically different regions. 2. Strength of schedule is only your region.

I can understand if it's not D3, but D3 is D3 if it is on the schedule it should determine how strong your schedule is, when Ohio state plays The U that counts on SOS even though they are different regions and the BCS is retarded but at least it recognizes games you play???

1. The line has to be drawn somewhere I guess.

2. I think the thought process is that D3 wants to reward schools that schedule games close to home (in region), so they only count in-region games towards their SOS. They don't want to encourage schools to schedule games far away...b/c they want to save on costs, and minimize athletes time away from their studies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 02, 2011, 12:45:41 PM
I'm a big fan of DIII basketball and stay active on the HCAC bball board too, but not having football to talk about sucks.  I wish there was at least more activity at our schools sites that talked about recruiting or spring practices or weight lifting, anything!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 03, 2011, 02:47:40 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 02, 2011, 12:45:41 PM
I'm a big fan of DIII basketball and stay active on the HCAC bball board too, but not having football to talk about sucks.  I wish there was at least more activity at our schools sites that talked about recruiting or spring practices or weight lifting, anything!

It does "create a vacuum" but given the competition for bodies in the tri-state locale (NAIA, DII, and other DIII institutions) it makes sense to keep the cards close to the vest until enrollment deposits are obtained.
For now, we remain content with match results of President Gordon's "study table / ping-pong tourney" until May.  ;)

Question, H_B...  With the renewal of lax as a varsity offering and recent hire of a coach (after a thirty-seven year hiatus), along with a resurgence of wrestling interest (though club-level initially), have you heard which womens' sports will be added to balance the Title IX scale?  Swimmings' a wash.

I'm thinking "crew" - picture the Deux Rivier Regatta, with stands in Johnny Appleseed (edit - now "Pontiac") and Kingsberry Parks and the Mayor's Box perched at Fort Defiance.  Three mile course, from park at Harrison Ave bridge spanning the Auglaize and finishing at Scout Island (errr, Island Park).   Maybe even a government grant to refurbish the old cannon to mark the end of races?  ;D

"Stroke, stroke, stroke!"  "Bail, bail, bail!"  Raskolnikov!      
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 04, 2011, 08:08:45 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on March 03, 2011, 02:47:40 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on March 02, 2011, 12:45:41 PM
I'm a big fan of DIII basketball and stay active on the HCAC bball board too, but not having football to talk about sucks.  I wish there was at least more activity at our schools sites that talked about recruiting or spring practices or weight lifting, anything!

It does "create a vacuum" but given the competition for bodies in the tri-state locale (NAIA, DII, and other DIII institutions) it makes sense to keep the cards close to the vest until enrollment deposits are obtained.
For now, we remain content with match results of President Gordon's "study table / ping-pong tourney" until May.  ;)

Question, H_B...  With the renewal of lax as a varsity offering and recent hire of a coach (after a thirty-seven year hiatus), along with a resurgence of wrestling interest (though club-level initially), have you heard which womens' sports will be added to balance the Title IX scale?  Swimmings' a wash.

I'm thinking "crew" - picture the Deux Rivier Regatta, with stands in Johnny Appleseed (edit - now "Pontiac") and Kingsberry Parks and the Mayor's Box perched at Fort Defiance.  Three mile course, from park at Harrison Ave bridge spanning the Auglaize and finishing at Scout Island (errr, Island Park).   Maybe even a government grant to refurbish the old cannon to mark the end of races?  ;D

"Stroke, stroke, stroke!"  "Bail, bail, bail!"  Raskolnikov!      

It is an interesting question.  Crew would be cool, maybe field hockey.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 04, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
To add to the options, they could have lacross for the women too.  Anyway, I'm excited about all the things that are happening at DC but I do worry about the school biting off more than they can chew.  Hopefully after the field house they'll be able to add another residence hall off of Webster St.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 04, 2011, 06:23:30 PM
cave2 and dc_has_been:

For sure, Title IX is always the "major" limiting factor.  If they are adding men's lacrosse, I can't imagine why they wouldn't add the women's team also.  That is the easiest and less expensive way to go.  Lacrosse, particularly for women, in reality, shouldn't add that much to the overall budget.  In the MIAA, after this spring 2010 season, the other MIAA teams will be joining Adrian and Trine in having "official varsity" status lacrosse for both men and women (Actually, for all practical purposes right now, Hope and Calvin's men's teams are varsity - "virtual varsity", just like U of Michigan and Michigan State).  Hope already has women's club lacrosse, so elevating it to varsity status makes sense.  Even the other MIAA schools who don't have lacrosse presently, it is my understanding, are adding it next year for both including Olivet and Alma (Alma has had a men's lacrosse club team, but not women's).

As to the Title IX issue, if not adding women's lacrosse, would an option for some of the MIAA teams be bringing back women's field hockey, which was had a historical tradition for decades?  To me, that would have been the other option.  On a somewhat tangential issue, I really Hope that someday, Hope and Calvin's hockey teams will be "official varsity".  Again, for all practical purposes, they are already.  The College pays for all the ice time, they get to use the huge team bus (same as football and basketball and baseball), some uniforms are paid for (although the players have to pay also), NCAA rules are followed in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association and the American Collegiate Hockey Association, and Hope draws tons of people in attendancde for home games (and not just students).  It is collegiate hockey (as is the lacrosse) which is not just a "club brand" of type or style.  If Adrian and Trine can support those newer sports (especially with jAdrian which has 4 - yes 4 hockey teamsj!), then Hope and Calvin can also. Despite what some may relate, there is $ to support it - and ways to continue to support/finance it if they chose to do so - heck, they already are..  Anyway, good discussion and keep us posted as to what happens at DC with regard to this. 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 04, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
BTW, cave2, congrats on your 100th +k! :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 05, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
Thank you, former D3.  Actually, I was around 104 until I committed a couple of offensive fouls last week as "tongue 'n cheek" is lost on some of the more serious posters.  ;D  My bad, but heck, I've lunched with the guy with 500, so kudos back in your direction! ;D

Defiance played varsity lacrosse back in the dark ages - I believe their final year was 1974.  Rugby (though a club status) was waylaid in 1977 after six years, and I am unsure when the wrestling program disappeared.  All three were strong programs with many of the matches against Big Ten and Mid Am institutions.  As Defiance adds new swimming programs and new field house / indoor track, in addition to lax between 2011-2013, I fear the college is over extending a limited budget, in a severely depressed, local economy in NW Ohio, with a rather anemic endowment level as back up.

Priorities are what they are, based on opinions and knowledge gleaned by those in decision making capacities.  Many disagree with my premise that physical plant improvements and strengthening core curricula and faculty resources should take precedence or at least receive "equal" consideration particularly at a DIII institution.  That's perfectly fair, as the school "places its bets" on selected direction, and potential return on investment. The choice of alums, friends, and sponsors "deciding with wallets" whether to support initiatives (or not) will verify if the correct tack was selected over the next decade or two.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 05, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
cave2:

You are welcome and thank you as well.  You insights and opinions as to the "state of Defiance" have merit.  As you state, and as I see it too, the small colleges and universities have to do this to remain competitive and attract student-athletes.  The so-called old catch phrase "keeping up with the Jones's (sp?)" applies here and is something that anyone just can't get around anymore.  Many of the colleges have very outdated facilities, and while nostaligia is great and I'm all for trying to preserve some of those buildings to some extent i.e. as much as can perhaps be practically and feasibly incorporated into the new plans, having to go the new route is pretty much a must.  Of course, as you mention, funding is always the main issue for alumns, etc., however, it seems to me, that for almost all cases, the colleges, their alumns, local business community somehow come up with a way to finance the projects - they have to eventually, even if the project has to be scaled down somewhat.  

The other serious aspect here, and what comes into play for schools like Defiance, Olivet, and Adrian (and it was for Trine also), to use those as examples, is that they have to do these upgrades to compete with their fellow schools in the enrollment aspect.  I do not mean this as a "dis" to those schools in any way, yet the reality is that schools like Hope and Calvin do not (and probably never will) have a problem with securing/attracting the high numbers of applications year after year despite the tough economic times and the extreme high cost of going to a small DIII school.  Adrian had to do that as they fell below 1,000 students about 4-5 years ao for the first time in decades and it was not a good outlook or situation.  By bringing in hockey and lacrosse at the NCAA level, they secured that situation so that they can stay around their desired number of 1,500 to perhaps 1,700 sutdents, which is still small compared to many other of the DIII schools, but it works for them.  Heck, they have 4 hockey teams, men's and women's varsity hockey and two club collegiate hockey teams and they fill the ice arena with fans for all of those.  Add to that they rent our the arena to the community (it ddidn't hurt that two alumns gave them over $2 million to construct the on-campus ice arena ;D) and add to that men's and women's lacrosse which doesn't cost that much to fund the programs in the long-term, you can see how many student's that brings in to the College and at over #33,000 (I think that is what their cost was - I'd have to go back several dozen pages on our board to check on that or I guess a quicker route would be just going to their website ;D - but the point is that brings in a lot of $ and keeps their enrollment up without costing them in the long run.  Of course, if some of these smaller schools do not have the luxury of deep-pocket alumns to donate that kind of cash to finance new facilities, then it obviously makes it so much tougher for those schools.

We've had in the past and again now have been having this discussion over on our MIAA board with Albion's recent and Kazoo's previous announcements for upgraded facilities, which for football, now leaves Hope at the bottom per se.  Although, there are some other "issues" with that regarding the football stadium which is owned by the City of Holland.  Yet, with Hope having the huge "big-time" DeVos Arena for basketball, volleyball, its nice baseball and softball stadiums (so has Adrian for baseball and football and Trine of course with their fantastic football stadium) its now very nice soccer and lacrosse stadium with covered permannet stands in a large section, lights and the new style turf and all the new wrought iron fencing and "vintage style" arches to match the original turn-of-the century arch on campus, I can't imagine (or perhaps understand) why they wouldn't work something out to remedy that situation.  But... that is another story.  

Anyway, I hope that it works out for Defiance with their tentative plans for the sports and upgraded facilities.  They had to do it several years ago with building of Cassell (sp?) Stadium and that is a very nice facility.  I think like Trine, they need to do it to survive and/or at least be competitive.  Of course, winning helps tremendously in that category ;D, but you do that by attracting the student-athleties by having great facilities.  As that "new" saying goes..."It is what it is" ;D (and I'm not referring to the infamous "is" that former Pres. Clinton devised! ;D ;D ::) :o :P :))

Hope you and your wife are doing well.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
cave,

How is Africa treating you guys??

Nobody else answer this... I don't want to hear from you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 17, 2011, 08:48:57 AM
 I posted this over on the MIAA board, however, I will share it here for opinion.

...Oh my gosh!  The DIII full feature length film by former DIII player Marshall Cook, the trailer of which is previewed on the front webpage of this site, looks hilarious. After seeing this, I immediately thought it brings us back to the "Animal House" mentality of our/my (yes, I'll admit to it also   ) college playing days and (secretly ) I laughed my arse off while viewing the trailer   . Of course, I'm much more matured and refinded now.   However, I will also add/ask this: a) I'm not sure many of our DIII college administrators, presidents, AD's, coaches, etc., would/will be pleased in seeing this when it comes out and b) do you not think it might reflect in, shall we say a not so flattering, or quite frankly an unfavorable way on DIII football?   What say 'ye, my fellow DIII'er's?  ??? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 18, 2011, 01:46:28 PM
Agreed  --- looked very funny, d3db. 

Hope things are well for you and the fam.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 18, 2011, 06:18:34 PM
SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you, my friend.  Yes, it was funny.  I will go see it, although I will not be bringing my wife with me for that! ;D ::) :o :P

I and family are doing well.  I hope you are doing well too.  I am ready for summer, that's for sure.  Take care and keep in touch.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 02, 2011, 12:14:22 PM
Nice to see some DC guys do well in the Ohio Army National Guard Senior Bowl.  Here's the link to the story http://www.defianceathletics.com/football/news/44/1464/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 06, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
Congrats to RHIT and Coach Sokol for their OT win in Austria!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on June 30, 2011, 10:50:26 PM
        Congrats cave2-I see you're up to 114. That should give you  a cushion for a little sarcasm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 01, 2011, 03:52:41 AM
Quote from: wab64 on June 30, 2011, 10:50:26 PM
        Congrats cave2-I see you're up to 114. That should give you  a cushion for a little sarcasm.

Only if NCAC hardwood board is bypassed   ;)  Problem with advancing age is becoming lost in thought - an unfamiliar territory as is!   ::) ;D

Sure is quiet on here - no input on what's in store for the HCAC this season?  Jacketbacker? Jacketsfan?  BP? 70s?  ??? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on July 01, 2011, 12:00:17 PM
Cave,

Sorry to say but I have nothing for you. Give me another 6 weeks.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 08, 2011, 09:56:44 AM
Cave,

The only thing other than the RHIT game that I've noticed is DC updated their roster.  No freshman have been added yet, but the roster looks very full.  I'm going to assume all the ones on there are not coming back but could make a nice looking team if they did.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 08, 2011, 01:44:21 PM
prayers are appreciated, if you are the praying type:

http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/story.cfm?id=1246
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on July 08, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
May God's loving presence be with his family and with the Thomas More family.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 11, 2011, 03:21:06 PM
My families prayers are with him SaintsFan.
Title: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference Pre-Season Coach's Poll
Post by: Thunder44 on August 04, 2011, 01:04:52 PM
From the HCAC website:

Franklin (8 1st Place votes) - 78 points
Defiance - 63 pts
Hanover - 61 pts
Mount St. Joseph (1 1st Place Vote) - 59 pts
Rose-Hulman - 38 pts
Anderson - 34 pts
Bluffton - 34 pts
Manchester - 28 pts
Earlham - 10 pts

http://heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/8_2_preseason_poll

Thoughts??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 05, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
Looks about right to me. I'm hoping DC will play some consistent football this year and possibly upset the Griz.   I like how there's four points between DC, HC, and MSJ.  It shows that there is a lot to say about those programs and that it will be another tough season of football in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on August 05, 2011, 10:13:24 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 05, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
Looks about right to me. I'm hoping DC will play some consistent football this year and possibly upset the Griz.   I like how there's four points between DC, HC, and MSJ.  It shows that there is a lot to say about those programs and that it will be another tough season of football in the HCAC.

Where is the Defiance Vs. Franklin game this season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 05, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
9/24/11 at Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 07, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
I wonder who gave MSJ the lone other first place vote?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 07, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 07, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
I wonder who gave MSJ the lone other first place vote?

I don't know about the HCAC, but in most conferences a coach is prohibited from voting for his own team, so if this is a coaches' poll, the vote came from the Franklin coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 08, 2011, 03:21:21 PM
Preseason poll is out and Franklin sits at 24!  http://www.d3football.com/top25/2011/preseason 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 09, 2011, 01:49:30 PM
it has been a while since DC has been a preseason favorite to be at the top...i might even start talking trash again!

10 starters back on offense that averaged something like 25pts a game and 8 return on the defense.  should be a fun year
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference Pre-Season Coach's Poll
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 09, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on August 04, 2011, 01:04:52 PM
From the HCAC website:

Franklin (8 1st Place votes) - 78 points
Defiance - 63 pts
Hanover - 61 pts
Mount St. Joseph (1 1st Place Vote) - 59 pts
Rose-Hulman - 38 pts
Anderson - 34 pts
Bluffton - 34 pts
Manchester - 28 pts
Earlham - 10 pts

http://heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/8_2_preseason_poll

Thoughts??

There were 63 drunk people voting at 2am the other day on this after the bars closed... apparently :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 09, 2011, 08:51:05 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 09, 2011, 01:49:30 PM
it has been a while since DC has been a preseason favorite to be at the top...i might even start talking trash again!

10 starters back on offense that averaged something like 25pts a game and 8 return on the defense.  should be a fun year

Another reason to celebrate the demise of MSJ!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 09, 2011, 10:55:01 PM
That is something you would think saints fan could appreciate...someone to spank msj! Instead he gets smartassed about 63 drunks...first of if they were drunk they would have been 1st place votes we did not get any of those. Remember when our folks get drunk they go all out and don't stop at 2nd place!! :)

And to think I was going to say something nice about TMCs #11 ranking or the #2 winning record with teams over 20 seasons.  It's good to be back in football season and saints fan can still bite me!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2011, 04:37:28 PM
SaintsFan is still holding on to the bitterness of not being part of the HCAC and that shoes are still not being worn in Kentucky  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 11, 2011, 09:32:04 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 09, 2011, 10:55:01 PM
That is something you would think saints fan could appreciate...someone to spank msj! Instead he gets smartassed about 63 drunks...first of if they were drunk they would have been 1st place votes we did not get any of those. Remember when our folks get drunk they go all out and don't stop at 2nd place!! :)

Just 2nd?  After Ben's and Kistner's, it was always off down Auglaize (CI, Taco Ed's)  or Second Streets (Stemwinders, Kaufman's, Barrel, or Maag's) to cop 3rd thru 6th places before a "Tip Top Breakfast Special" or that last quart of Little King's from Short Stop to cap a night of revelry.   ;D ;D  Oh, the rankings eh?  ;)

Let the trash commence - re. "Barefoot in the Park" at Crestview, has_been, someone has to keep all those govt hookworm epidemes occupied.  Not all of them can be here on Safari!  LMAO!  Now to await the emergence from winter's slumber of JacketsFan...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
cant wait for JacketsFan to get off his pirate ship and start his antics.

Has_been the road to the super bowl starts tonight at Ford Field prepare to get abused by the worst team in the NFL!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 12, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
cant wait for JacketsFan to get off his pirate ship and start his antics.

Has_been the road to the super bowl starts tonight at Ford Field prepare to get abused by the worst team in the NFL!

Sorry, I've forgotten your allegiances.  Is the 'worst team in the NFL' the Bungles or the Pussycats? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 12, 2011, 06:14:25 PM
Restoring the Roar baby!  Lions may not be dominant this year but they'll still push 7-8 wins this season compared to Cincy's 2-3 ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 12, 2011, 07:05:34 PM
Kinda suspected that, and I agree about the Lions.  Though losing Leshoure for the season may cost a win or two. :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 13, 2011, 05:51:43 PM
If the bengals actually win 2 or 3 this year I'll be impressed. The sad part is the rookie qb did not look bad just the rest of the team was awful.

And I was serious about the road to the super bowl...it's just a very long multi-year multi-decade road
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 13, 2011, 07:34:16 PM
That trouncing of the Bungles has gotten me worried - the year they went 0-16, they were 4-0 preseason! :o ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 14, 2011, 04:30:04 PM
I do recall the 4-0 preseason and enjoyed all the Lion fans saying, "this is the year!"  This is the first year in awhile that I am optimistic about a Lions season.  I still think they need another year or two before they become true contenders but I know they are now headed in the right direction. 
70- Dalton did look good trowing the pass to Houston for an INT.  I predict he'll have about 20+ of those this year but will be a good qb in the years to come.  He's a tough kid.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 17, 2011, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 14, 2011, 04:30:04 PM
I do recall the 4-0 preseason and enjoyed all the Lion fans saying, "this is the year!"  This is the first year in awhile that I am optimistic about a Lions season.  I still think they need another year or two before they become true contenders but I know they are now headed in the right direction. 
70- Dalton did look good trowing the pass to Houston for an INT.  I predict he'll have about 20+ of those this year but will be a good qb in the years to come.  He's a tough kid.
cant blame that on him, he had 300lbs of the baddest man on the planet Suh drilling him has he threw it which made it float.

lions will be OK, that D-line is unblockable and that creates a lot of havoc which will win them 3-4 games this year they probably should not.  it was early 1st quarter and that play by Suh put the Bengals out of it pushing them down 14-0 and killed all motivation.   I would not be suprised to see Suh win 2-3 Defensive MVP's in the next 5 years.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 17, 2011, 02:03:31 PM
EASY boys!!!  I'm definitely wearing shoes in Kentucky and will be at each TMC Home Game with drink in hand this year.  Maybe the HomoerotiC Athletic Conference will let me do some voting!!! 

Good to see Defiance with some high expectations on the year... and you'all knew that with TMC rising again, that there's only room for one "sheriff" in the town of Cincy, right??

I'll get a report from Sayer on the state of MSJ football... they may surprise some this year..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 26, 2011, 12:44:35 AM
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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 27, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
I went to the Depauw (#42) vs Franklin (#24) scrimmage today at Franklin.  The first team kids played an entire half.  17-0 with 3 minutes to go Franklin.  Depauw had crossed the 50 once at that point.  Team GRIZ looked rock solid on both sides of the ball. New QB for Franklin put the ball on the money several times, running game is solid and defense may be best ever.  We shall see what happens over the season but the if FC loses a game in the HCAC I will be shocked.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 29, 2011, 11:15:10 PM
My prediction for the season...

1) Franklin
2) Mt. St. Joseph
3) Rose Hulman
4) Defiance
5) Hanover
6) Anderson
7) Manchester
8) Bluffton
9) Earlham
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 30, 2011, 09:30:26 AM
Alright GrizGrad, I can't argue with Franklin #1. until they lose a game in conference they should always be ranked at the top.  It has been a while since any HCAC team has played at Franklin's level. Once you get past the top 4 on your list the teams are bad

But I do got issues with DC 4th, they are returning a crapload of starters from a team that did pretty well in the conference last year.  I personally think the title comes down to the Franklin and Defiance game.  It sucks that game is early in the season as it will take a lot of the sizzle off what it could be if it was in week 10.  On paper I don't see defiance loosing to anyone in league besides Franklin because the depth and experience...but hey they don't play the games on paper if they did I would not drink nearly as much
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on August 30, 2011, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 30, 2011, 09:30:26 AM
Alright GrizGrad, I can't argue with Franklin #1. until they lose a game in conference they should always be ranked at the top.  It has been a while since any HCAC team has played at Franklin's level. Once you get past the top 4 on your list the teams are bad
But I do got issues with DC 4th, they are returning a crapload of starters from a team that did pretty well in the conference last year.  I personally think the title comes down to the Franklin and Defiance game.  It sucks that game is early in the season as it will take a lot of the sizzle off what it could be if it was in week 10.  On paper I don't see defiance loosing to anyone in league besides Franklin because the depth and experience...but hey they don't play the games on paper if they did I would not drink nearly as much

So, you consider Hanover bad?  After ending last season tied for second place in the conference with DC, and only losing 6 seniors from last year's squad, you are ready to write off the Panthers??  Not sure I understand the logic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 30, 2011, 01:16:35 PM
Thunder-you bring up an interesting point.  Hanover will be a tough team to get past for anyone, but I agree with 70 that DC will go unscathed in the HCAC except for Franklin in my opinion.  Hanover still lacks a defense that can compare to DC's and they are even more one dimensional than DC when it comes to their offense. 
In regards to Franklin, again I agree with 70 that they should be placed on top but I do not think they will be as dominant in the HCAC as FCGrizz predicts. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 30, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
Actually has been I do think they will pretty damn dominant but I think we will be able to give them a run for the money if we bring our a game.

Thunder I did not realize what  Hanover was returning they should be better than they have been over the last several years they have had some really tough years after their dominance over the early 2000's. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 30, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
I should have noted that I stopped agreeing with you after them being placed at the top and inserted it as my own opinion that Franklin will not be as dominant as predicted by the Franklin alum.  I think that DC and possibly HC will not be blown out this year because of their returning contributors. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 30, 2011, 05:30:04 PM
I agree with DC  (Defiance and Hanover should close the gap).  Not that FC won't be as good but those teams will just be better.  I don't see MSJ any better than fourth this season. I am looking forward to more and better competition and am glad to see some teams on the rise.  Blowouts aren't that fun to watch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 30, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
Tough road games for both Defiance and Hanover...
Defiance plays @ Franklin, @ MSJ, @ Rose
Hanover plays @ Defiance, @ Rose, @ MSJ

I think there should be a good 4 team battle for 2nd, and the possibility that even if someone upsets Franklin that the Griz could still win the conference because everyone else ends up with 2 or 3 losses. Of course an injury here and there and everything goes out the window. Oh the fun of preseason guessing  ;)

I'd love to see the teams get better to the point where losing just one conference game by a few points doesn't automatically mean no postseason. Seems like we're always just the little conference that's an afterthought (but with all the excellent teams in the region I guess it's hard to make a lot of noise)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 31, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
Not to mention we travel to Thomas More the week before Defiance.  Hanover faces a good Centre team this weekend so that will indicate whether we're ready to make some noise in the conference or not.  Trying to fill the offensive void left by Passafiume is going to be a tall order though.  I do think our defense will be very good and keep us in games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 31, 2011, 12:39:20 PM
I went through each HCAC team's non conference schedule and for the most part nobody is taking the easy way out.  (in case anybody wondered)

HC has Thomas More and Centre (as panther fan pointed out),
MSJ takes on Thomas More at season's end,
FC has WI - Whitewater and a DIV 1 FCS school (Valparaiso),
DC plays Adrian,
MC and BC have scheduled Trine.
Anderson has Depauw.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnotherTrineDad on September 02, 2011, 12:04:28 PM
Just wanted to drop in a say their were some shining starts for MC in lastnight's game.  Nelson is quick and agile, the Kennedy brothers are hard hitting and smart players.  Good boys too. 

Neither team played to their potential.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 12:10:26 PM
For those Bluffton fans out there, I see that most people don't think Bluffton will compete this year, however on their web site they say they have around 24 seniors coming back, and it's a senior lead 2-deep.

So is this class just not very good, or are they just being over looked based on years of below par football? Maybe some longtime time HCAC fans can fill me in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 02, 2011, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 12:10:26 PM
For those Bluffton fans out there, I see that most people don't think Bluffton will compete this year, however on their web site they say they have around 24 seniors coming back, and it's a senior lead 2-deep.

So is this class just not very good, or are they just being over looked based on years of below par football? Maybe some longtime time HCAC fans can fill me in.

10 straight years of .500 or below tends to dampen enthusiasm and expectations.  Prior to last year the Beavers had a three year run of 2-28 hopefully last season's 4-6 record means the Beavers are beginning to turn the corner.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 12:10:26 PM
For those Bluffton fans out there, I see that most people don't think Bluffton will compete this year, however on their web site they say they have around 24 seniors coming back, and it's a senior lead 2-deep.

So is this class just not very good, or are they just being over looked based on years of below par football? Maybe some longtime time HCAC fans can fill me in.

They are just a bunch of "Beavers"... but seriously, I think its a little bit of both.  But I'm not familiar with Bluffton football... or Defiance or any of the others since they decided to drop Thomas More from the schedule.  MSJ, Hanover and Franklin are the only teams who would/do play TMC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 01:15:41 PM
Well if it's any encouragement to the Bluffton fans, Trine (formerly Tri-States) was also not very good leading up the last few years off incredible success.

Maybe this senior lead class will help turn the tables. Best of luck on your visit to Angola next Saturday. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2011, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 12:10:26 PM
For those Bluffton fans out there, I see that most people don't think Bluffton will compete this year, however on their web site they say they have around 24 seniors coming back, and it's a senior lead 2-deep.

So is this class just not very good, or are they just being over looked based on years of below par football? Maybe some longtime time HCAC fans can fill me in.

They are just a bunch of "Beavers"... but seriously, I think its a little bit of both.  But I'm not familiar with Bluffton football... or Defiance or any of the others since they decided to drop Thomas More from the schedule.  MSJ, Hanover and Franklin are the only teams who would/do play TMC.
Kev you kill me ;D  +1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 02, 2011, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 12:10:26 PM
For those Bluffton fans out there, I see that most people don't think Bluffton will compete this year, however on their web site they say they have around 24 seniors coming back, and it's a senior lead 2-deep.

So is this class just not very good, or are they just being over looked based on years of below par football? Maybe some longtime time HCAC fans can fill me in.

They are just a bunch of "Beavers"... but seriously, I think its a little bit of both.  But I'm not familiar with Bluffton football... or Defiance or any of the others since they decided to drop Thomas More from the schedule.  MSJ, Hanover and Franklin are the only teams who would/do play TMC.
Kev you kill me ;D  +1

I'm here for the party, sir!!!  Had to get in a dig on the crybabies again, too!  How is the little one, Plonk?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 03, 2011, 02:44:45 PM
Tuned in for some late night entertainment after a warm day in Kimberley with the Griquas Currie Cup match.

Sure would be nice if the temperature would drop and the Jackets' would rise - 35 plays and 20 total yards in the first half is pretty anemic, even in 93 degree temperatures.  Somehow, Musky is managing... 14-0 at half.    :P

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 04:49:30 PM
How is the little one, Plonk?

Isn't Lily still a bit young, even for you, SaintsFan?   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2011, 02:49:55 PM
Kev- both lil'ones are doing well! 

Bob- it did not take me long to be frustrated with DC football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 03, 2011, 03:32:38 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 03, 2011, 02:49:55 PM
Kev- both lil'ones are doing well! 

Bob- it did not take me long to be frustrated with DC football.

Oh, come now - opening day and the birds are singing...

It's all the fault of dark purple jerseys worn in 90-sumthin' temperatures  - yeah, that's it - that's the ticket (and thank goodness I didn't purchase one  :D).  Cheers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 03, 2011, 02:44:45 PM
Tuned in for some late night entertainment after a warm day in Kimberley with the Griquas Currie Cup match.

Sure would be nice if the temperature would drop and the Jackets' would rise - 35 plays and 20 total yards in the first half is pretty anemic, even in 93 degree temperatures.  Somehow, Musky is managing... 14-0 at half.    :P

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 04:49:30 PM
How is the little one, Plonk?

Isn't Lily still a bit young, even for you, SaintsFan?   ;D

Oline was straight up getting abused in the first half.  Lily may be young but not too young for my 2 boys which is why plonked keeps her on the west coast
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 03, 2011, 04:55:24 PM
Not the best start to the season for the HCAC... 0-6 so far :-\, but we still have 3 more shots to get that first win. I think we can get at least 2 wins tonight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
Come on Big Lou, my girl knows to stay away from football players and I'll tell her what tricks to watch out for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 04, 2011, 10:15:52 AM
Just got back from Valparaiso.  The GRIZ looked a little shaky early (trailed 28-14 with 5:09 left in first half).  35-7 beat down after than (Valpo scored in 2 plays to start the second half).  FC put up 669 yards of total offense (221 on the ground without Craig Reese - nursing some minor injuries).  SO QB Jonny West's debut 448 yards, 5 TDs and two picks.  The first was a pick 6 early in the first quarter.

Next week, FC ups the ante with a visit from the WI Whitewater Warhawks.  Someone said that team is pretty good.  ;D
Should be a great day and huge crowd.

What the heck Defiance?? (hopefully the loss to Muskingum was an anomaly). That score and stats was a shocker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 04, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
Nice job Grizzlies. Now for a week of anticipation. Game is going to be streamed live at www.hometownsportsindiana.com (http://www.hometownsportsindiana.com) for anyone who can't make it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 04, 2011, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 04, 2011, 10:15:52 AM

What the heck Defiance?? (hopefully the loss to Muskingum was an anomaly). That score and stats was a shocker.

I watched online, no physical play it look like an NFL dline vs. A high school oline. It was not a missed assignment here or there.  There were 2-3 guys in the backfield every play almost immediately.  Scrambling QB had no chance to make a play tells you the pressure was intense.  The lone dc TD was a quick bubble to a WR and he was immediately drilled by 2 guys but luckily they hit at the exact same time on opposite sides and he was able to stay up and took it 60yds to the house.  The first 1st down was from a 15yd personal foul (a WR got abused with a hit) then they went stuff sack sack and on 4th down they were behind the original 1st down marker before the personal foul...that was the story of the first half until they started to run a little option to slow down the rush.   There is a bunch of talent on the team but there are a few holes with a big one being getting a nasty streak.  They should be ok, musky is a pretty good squad and returned something like 18 starters from a team that beat dc last year
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2011, 05:33:01 PM
Franklin people:

Good win for your team yesterday in getting off to a great start beating the non-scholarship FCS Valpo.  My question for you is (and we've all discussed this at times in the past)...is Valpo not that good?  I supposed (actually believe) it depends on any given year, however, some years the Pioneer (former DI-AA) teams are a notch up in talent from most DIII schools; other years not.  Butler handled Albion yesterday quite well, so they have redeemed themselves fairly well the past 2-3 years.  Valpo traditionally hasn't always been that great, although was it 3 years ago now they were up there for the Pioneer League title game (or at least finished high up)?  I can't recall without going to that league's website.  Anyway, just curious on your take regarding Franklin's game yesterday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 04, 2011, 06:17:11 PM
Valpo is a bottom feeder in the Pioneer Conference but would probably be a 3rd place team in a standard d3 conference.  Butler would win 60-70 percent of the D3 conferences year in and out IMO.  FC plays butler again home and away starting next season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 04, 2011, 07:58:50 PM
I'd like to say that beating Valparaiso was huge... but I was more concerned about UWW than I was Valpo. They were winless last year including a 42-7 defeat @ Franklin. They did quite well offensively but giving up nearly 650 yards of offense to a DIII team probably isn't a good sign for their defense.

Hopefully the Franklin defense can use the game to learn from moving forward. They can't have a performance like the first half if they hope to stay in it next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2011, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 03, 2011, 02:44:45 PM
Tuned in for some late night entertainment after a warm day in Kimberley with the Griquas Currie Cup match.

Sure would be nice if the temperature would drop and the Jackets' would rise - 35 plays and 20 total yards in the first half is pretty anemic, even in 93 degree temperatures.  Somehow, Musky is managing... 14-0 at half.    :P

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2011, 04:49:30 PM
How is the little one, Plonk?

Isn't Lily still a bit young, even for you, SaintsFan?   ;D

Oline was straight up getting abused in the first half.  Lily may be young but not too young for my 2 boys which is why plonked keeps her on the west coast

haha... SF actually has a looker for a gf.  She hired SF at his new job at a local trans/produce conglomerate.  She's quite thankful for careerbuilder.com currently :)

She's also a reason I won't be around as much this year on these boards. .. . or even at the games.  I'm going to see Thomas More hammer those pu$$ies from Hanover this weekend... then not sure.. Maybe the W&J game (also at TMore) -- We're going to USC/ND on Oct 22nd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 06, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
well dont piss her off!  Looker and the boss...only downside is she dont let you on the boards much.  either you are in love or she is really hot!

when is Notre Dame going to schedule a cupcake in week 1 to get a W to start the year?  its OK its the strategy all of the big teams do it.  Its why USF scheudled ND in week 1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2011, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 06, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
well dont piss her off!  Looker and the boss...only downside is she dont let you on the boards much.  either you are in love or she is really hot!

when is Notre Dame going to schedule a cupcake in week 1 to get a W to start the year?  its OK its the strategy all of the big teams do it.  Its why USF scheudled ND in week 1

on #1 --- its both...  :-[    she's not the boss, though... just in charge of HR. 
on #2 --- agreed.  Unreal... two turnovers inside the 10 going in and the missed FG did them in for real.  They didn't play well, to begin with --- hopefully they come together against Michigan. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Things are not looking good when the coach keeps changing his mind to who will be the starting qb.  If the qb has a bad start against Michigan is the coach going to switch qb's again?  Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan.  It is going to be several weeks till they begin to jell under the new offense and defense.  They started to look good in the third and then the game ended.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 07, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2011, 07:23:07 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 07, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Those were pathetic Michigan teams that still beat ND.  This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ;)).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 07, 2011, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2011, 07:23:07 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 07, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 
This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ;)).

I wasn't around during Ufer's days but I'm a huge UM fan and have heard his great calls. Nothing against Frank Beckmann but I wish we had someone like Ufer doing the games now. Give Hoke a couple years, he's already got the top recruiting class for next year. I actually have some faith in in the defense now ... they're not great but much better than the last couple years. I didn't have any with that joker Robinson as coordinator.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2011, 07:45:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2011, 07:23:07 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 07, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Those were pathetic Michigan teams that still beat ND.  This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ;)).

Ypsi -- Notre Dame was a much different team at the end of last year than they were at ND stadium last September.  The year before was Weis' final season in South Bend --- they were awful in the trenches... ND is alot better on the lines because of some position moves and recruiting... I think they were shocked by the speed of South Florida this past Saturday --- Michigan won't be that fast.  It should be a great game.

BTW... God was really mad at Notre Dame's effort on Saturday.  Enough to halt the game twice... they were playing so shell-shocked that I'm surprised God didn't change the outcome of the ND/Utah game from last year on replay during the delay.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2011, 12:53:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2011, 07:23:07 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 07, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
Regardless, ND should be able to have their way against Michigan. 

If ND is better than Michigan it's not by very much ... so I don't understand how they should have their way against Michigan. Michigan's not great or even really good but its far from a team that ND should trounce. Michigan's beat them the last two years and each team has mostly the same players this year.

Those were pathetic Michigan teams that still beat ND.  This year's UM team should be much improved; within a couple of years they should be again MEEEEEECHIGAN (those old enough to remember Bob Ufer will smile ;)).
I agree with both of you that ND isn't that much better and the UM is much improved talent wise, but Michigan is still working out the kinks to a new offense and defense.  The had moments where they looked good and awful last Saturday and that was against Western Michigan.  I feel ND is more established except at QB but both QB are very talented. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2011, 12:10:02 AM
I'm curious, is the conference really bad this year or is it just a rough non-conference for us? Week 1 we went 2-7 and right now in the Pick 'Em just one of the 7 playing this week have a majority of picks for them (and they're only chosen 3 to 2). In fact in 7 games between 5 pickers (35 chances total) there's a total of 7 HCAC teams chosen and 28 picks for HCAC teams to lose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 09, 2011, 10:36:28 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2011, 12:10:02 AM
I'm curious, is the conference really bad this year or is it just a rough non-conference for us? Week 1 we went 2-7 and right now in the Pick 'Em just one of the 7 playing this week have a majority of picks for them (and they're only chosen 3 to 2). In fact in 7 games between 5 pickers (35 chances total) there's a total of 7 HCAC teams chosen and 28 picks for HCAC teams to lose.

Honestly, besides Franklin I can't really see how you can call the conference anything but average again after what happend the first week. Mike Leonard has put together a pretty good program and so has Rod Huber at the Mount and I'd say you can call both really good the last four or five years. Defiance and Bluffton's losses weren't exactly impressive with both losing badly to teams that annually finish near the bottom of their conferences.

With three HCAC teams playing teams in the top 22, there's a chance for the HCAC to make some noise.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 10, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
Appears from abroad that today's performance on the scenic shore of Wohn's Pond (DC for any unfamiliar with the back 40, John Manville backdrops, and Doc's cornfield for those of an earlier era) was another less than auspicious example of gridiron savvy by the Jackets?  Had no links, thanks to advanced Chinese technology in Suid Afrika, and finally caught the latest Adrian plop into Defiance touch realm when livestats suddenly popped up.  Gig me for cynicism, but what's with the SOS, "one trick pony?"  Predictability anyone?  Geez - @ 3.1/attempt and an anemic 8 per completion, maybe some originality or even antique fossil archaeology might be in order?

See Bluffton gave Tri State (oops, excuse an old codger's forgetfulness of benevolence  ;D)  a bit of a run, which is great to see, and yes Franklin was picking on a loaded deck.  Will be interesting on how everything plays out.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 10, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 10, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
Appears from abroad that today's performance on the scenic shore of Wohn's Pond (DC for any unfamiliar with the back 40, John Manville backdrops, and Doc's cornfield for those of an earlier era) was another less than auspicious example of gridiron savvy by the Jackets?  Had no links, thanks to advanced Chinese technology in Suid Afrika, and finally caught the latest Adrian plop into Defiance touch realm when livestats suddenly popped up.  Gig me for cynicism, but what's with the SOS, "one trick pony?"  Predictability anyone?  Geez - @ 3.1/attempt and an anemic 8 per completion, maybe some originality or even antique fossil archaeology might be in order?

See Bluffton gave Tri State (oops, excuse an old codger's forgetfulness of benevolence  ;D)  a bit of a run, which is great to see, and yes Franklin was picking on a loaded deck.  Will be interesting on how everything plays out.  Cheers!

So, the battle is on next week in the HCAC with Hanover (0-2) travelling to Defiance (0-2).  Who gets their first win of the season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 11, 2011, 09:08:52 AM
The HCAC stands at 3-13 versus non-conference opponents. Yikes! Hanover and MSJ can hopefully get the conference to 5-13 before the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2011, 09:27:13 AM
from my position --- I saw SOME of Hanover yesterday, had to leave to get to a wedding. From what I saw, TMC outmatched them physically.  Maybe they are a young team and this explains the physical disparity?  I'm not sure, and maybe the league as a whole has young teams...

One thing is for sure, anyone can lose to anyone --- look at Wesley v. Kean yesterday for proof.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 11, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Good luck Franklin Griz
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2011, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 11, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Good luck Franklin Griz

I saw your post over on the West board.  Thanks for the props on the atmosphere, tailgating, and fan friendliness.  Tough loss for Franklin but the experience will certainly be helpful in conference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on September 11, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
I was looking forward to some Franklin fan's analysis of the game, especially from those that were there or who watched the game but so far there's been none. I honestly thought the game would be closer, like bleedperuple's prediction of 38-17 and was surprised when Franklin didn't score. So, if possible, could some of you Franklin fan's bring in your analysis of the game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2011, 07:54:58 PM
It looked to me like UWW was just too big and too strong on the lines. They were able to stop the run and get to the QB on defense and were able to run pretty well and keep Franklin from applying much pressure of their own. Jonny West looked like he'll be a fine QB in the future as he threw some nice passes , but there were just as many times where he looked like a sophomore making his 2nd start. Game looked good in the 1st quarter, but quick back to back turnovers deep in our own end let UWW get out 21-0 and we were just never in it after that.

Watching the Colts play at Houston this afternoon I thought I was watching a replay of yesterday. Giving up the first score of the game then 2 straight turnovers deep leading to TD. Yesterday Franklin was down 35-0 at halftime, Colts were down 34-0 today. At least Indy managed to score and not give up any more points in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 11, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on September 11, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
I was looking forward to some Franklin fan's analysis of the game, especially from those that were there or who watched the game but so far there's been none. I honestly thought the game would be closer, like bleedperuple's prediction of 38-17 and was surprised when Franklin didn't score. So, if possible, could some of you Franklin fan's bring in your analysis of the game?

Most of first quarter looked fairly even (UWW was forced to punt twice!!) until FC turned the ball over twice near start of second and the wheels just came off.  UWW was effective in the air and that opened up the ground game even more.  At nearly every position UWW players are just a bit faster, stronger, and bigger than most team's and they execute well and don't make a lot of mistakes.  FC also lost one of their two best WRs to injury midway through the second.  Good experience overall IMO as the FC kids got first hand experience of the type of effort and talent it will take compete with a UWW or Mt Union (FC plays MUC in a home/away series in 2012 and 2013). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 12, 2011, 12:55:34 PM
Nice article on the tailgate scene at Franklin.  Especially liked the Franklin logo on the grilling surface!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 04:22:50 AM
It's going to be nice to have some wins in the conference this week ;D

Game of the week has to be Hanover @ Defiance I think... two teams looking to unseat Franklin at the top and should be a good game

Hopefully Franklin gets over last weekend and can look like a dominant team at Bluffton.

Plus Manchester @ Earlham could end up determining who finishes at the bottom this year.

And to make sure everyone gets some HCAC love, Mount at Anderson and Rose playing what I think will be a close game at Kalamazoo (are we sure they're not an HCAC team? This is their third game this year against us)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 14, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 04:22:50 AM
It's going to be nice to have some wins in the conference this week ;D

Game of the week has to be Hanover @ Defiance I think... two teams looking to unseat Franklin at the top and should be a good game

Hopefully Franklin gets over last weekend and can look like a dominant team at Bluffton.

Plus Manchester @ Earlham could end up determining who finishes at the bottom this year.

And to make sure everyone gets some HCAC love, Mount at Anderson and Rose playing what I think will be a close game at Kalamazoo (are we sure they're not an HCAC team? This is their third game this year against us)

It should be interesting to see which of these two teams will learn the most from their 2 losses, and put it together this week.  From other threads and game stats, it appears that Defiance is having trouble getting any momentum on Offense.  Hanover has struggled offensively at times as well, and needs to build some consistency.

Might come down to who wins the Special Teams battle.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 14, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 14, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
... Might come down to who wins the Special Teams battle...

They've been able to move the ball against two great teams and play a pretty good defense.  They had 100 yds more in total offense than Centre and lost by 2 TDS.  They only had 80 yds less in total offense than Thomas More but got blown out by 31 points.

With that being said, they need to put that pistol away and quit shooting themselves in the foot with it.  If so, Hanover will win some ball games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
At least they waited till they're not eligible anymore *cough*Ohio State*cough*... but there's no way I'd give up the ring for that cheap.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 14, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
At least they waited till they're not eligible anymore *cough*Ohio State*cough*... but there's no way I'd give up the ring for that cheap.

Interesting.  If I knew the circumstances (i.e. hard times, etc). I would consider buying it and returning it to them. Maybe it was lost or stolen?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 14, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
At least they waited till they're not eligible anymore *cough*Ohio State*cough*... but there's no way I'd give up the ring for that cheap.

Interesting.  If I knew the circumstances (i.e. hard times, etc). I would consider buying it and returning it to them. Maybe it was lost or stolen?

Player's name is on the ring. It was donated to Goodwill.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 14, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
At least they waited till they're not eligible anymore *cough*Ohio State*cough*... but there's no way I'd give up the ring for that cheap.

Interesting.  If I knew the circumstances (i.e. hard times, etc). I would consider buying it and returning it to them. Maybe it was lost or stolen?

Player's name is on the ring. It was donated to Goodwill.
I'm having a hard time finding a roster from 2007, but I think I may have found an identity... freshman kicker Brett Sheldon.
Here's an article from April 2010... http://www.indy.com/posts/kicker-still-chasing-dream (http://www.indy.com/posts/kicker-still-chasing-dream) and the location matches up since he transferred to Indiana St.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 15, 2011, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 14, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
At least they waited till they're not eligible anymore *cough*Ohio State*cough*... but there's no way I'd give up the ring for that cheap.

Interesting.  If I knew the circumstances (i.e. hard times, etc). I would consider buying it and returning it to them. Maybe it was lost or stolen?

Player's name is on the ring. It was donated to Goodwill.
I'm having a hard time finding a roster from 2007, but I think I may have found an identity... freshman kicker Brett Sheldon.
Here's an article from April 2010... http://www.indy.com/posts/kicker-still-chasing-dream (http://www.indy.com/posts/kicker-still-chasing-dream) and the location matches up since he transferred to Indiana St.

I remember him now.  Thanks for the additional research.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 15, 2011, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 14, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 14, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
... Might come down to who wins the Special Teams battle...

They've been able to move the ball against two great teams and play a pretty good defense.  They had 100 yds more in total offense than Centre and lost by 2 TDS.  They only had 80 yds less in total offense than Thomas More but got blown out by 31 points.

With that being said, they need to put that pistol away and quit shooting themselves in the foot with it.  If so, Hanover will win some ball games.

Between the turnovers and silly penalties, they have been their own worst enemy.  Let's hope this is the week they put it all together, and play mistake-free football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 15, 2011, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 14, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 14, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
... Might come down to who wins the Special Teams battle...

They've been able to move the ball against two great teams and play a pretty good defense.  They had 100 yds more in total offense than Centre and lost by 2 TDS.  They only had 80 yds less in total offense than Thomas More but got blown out by 31 points.

With that being said, they need to put that pistol away and quit shooting themselves in the foot with it.  If so, Hanover will win some ball games.

Between the turnovers and silly penalties, they have been their own worst enemy.  Let's hope this is the week they put it all together, and play mistake-free football.

Or the opening kickoff that went straight out of bounds.  I realize they were kicking away from Owens, but TMC is too good to start that close to Hanover territory.  TMC is alot harder to defend than any other HCAC team, save Franklin.  The effort they gave from the 7 min mark in the 1st quarter through halftime will win them some ballgames in conference. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 15, 2011, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 15, 2011, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 14, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 14, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
... Might come down to who wins the Special Teams battle...

They've been able to move the ball against two great teams and play a pretty good defense.  They had 100 yds more in total offense than Centre and lost by 2 TDS.  They only had 80 yds less in total offense than Thomas More but got blown out by 31 points.

With that being said, they need to put that pistol away and quit shooting themselves in the foot with it.  If so, Hanover will win some ball games.

Between the turnovers and silly penalties, they have been their own worst enemy.  Let's hope this is the week they put it all together, and play mistake-free football.

Or the opening kickoff that went straight out of bounds.  I realize they were kicking away from Owens, but TMC is too good to start that close to Hanover territory.  TMC is alot harder to defend than any other HCAC team, save Franklin.  The effort they gave from the 7 min mark in the 1st quarter through halftime will win them some ballgames in conference.

Hoping that they learned a lot from that game.  Once TM went up 14 - 0, I was wondering how they would respond, and their scoring drive was encouraging.  Now, the key will be to do that for the entire game.

As for the kick away from Owens, I recall that the kicker was not the regular Hanover kicker, and only kicked that one time.  I guess it is a case of choosing your poison; kick it to a good returner on a good return team with the potential of getting burned for the long one (like the punt return TD), or kick it out of bounds, with a defined starting point.  Either option isn't ideal, but I would have to guess that the coach felt there was too much downside from an opening play runback for TD.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2011, 07:32:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 14, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 14, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
Twenty Six Bucks?  Franklin HCAC Championship Ring (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=8527756)
At least they waited till they're not eligible anymore *cough*Ohio State*cough*... but there's no way I'd give up the ring for that cheap.

Interesting.  If I knew the circumstances (i.e. hard times, etc). I would consider buying it and returning it to them. Maybe it was lost or stolen?

Player's name is on the ring. It was donated to Goodwill.
I'm having a hard time finding a roster from 2007, but I think I may have found an identity... freshman kicker Brett Sheldon.
Here's an article from April 2010... http://www.indy.com/posts/kicker-still-chasing-dream (http://www.indy.com/posts/kicker-still-chasing-dream) and the location matches up since he transferred to Indiana St.

Another reason I hate kickers what a turd, if I was on that squad I would be pissed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 16, 2011, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 15, 2011, 02:06:24 PM
...
Between the turnovers and silly penalties, they have been their own worst enemy.  Let's hope this is the week they put it all together, and play mistake-free football...

I sure hope so - Both teams are starving for a win so it should be a great ball game.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 16, 2011, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

Being the QB has its advantages but this is not one of them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

OK, so it looks like it hurt.  Question is, did you win the game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

OK, so it looks like it hurt.  Question is, did you win the game?

no.. we lost 35-7.  it was bad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2011, 06:32:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

OK, so it looks like it hurt.  Question is, did you win the game?

As I mentioned over on the OAC board, I remember that play because I was there too!  Anyway, we know that SaintsFAN turned out okay today! :)

no.. we lost 35-7.  it was bad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

OK, so it looks like it hurt.  Question is, did you win the game?

no.. we lost 35-7.  it was bad.
OK, so you didn't get the win, but look at all the fame you got from that game this many years later!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 17, 2011, 03:33:32 PM
Wow - 34 to 5, Hanover at Half?  DC Homecoming crowd must have already headed for the bar!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 17, 2011, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 17, 2011, 03:33:32 PM
Wow - 34 to 5, Hanover at Half?  DC Homecoming crowd must have already headed for the bar!

The crowd did thin out a little, but there were still a good number in the stands.  All the festivities outside the stadium were empthy by the time I left.

Good win for Hanover.  Need to figure out how to put two halves together in the same game one of these days, but the first half was impressive for the Panthers.

Defense was stellar!  Defiance was able to complete some long passes when they were in third and long, but then couldn't sustain the momentum.  Great job D!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2011, 03:57:12 AM
What is going on with Defiance? They're 0-3 and have been outscored 88-25 all at home. Now they have to go to Franklin then to Mt St Joe? It's quite possible they'll be 0-5 or at best 1-4... did anyone think that was possible before the season ?

And with Rose losing the conference is 3-14 in non-conference games... :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 08:47:19 AM
That is surprising re: Defiance.  Yes, cave2, they wanted to go "drown out their sorrows/disappointments" - ouch.  But...I/we (at Hope) know what an 0-3 start feels like the past 6 years until last weekend (although I can only recall in my own playing days there ever going only 0-2 one year).  It must just be that "down cycle" year(s) for Defiance as some programs go through once in awhile (too bad it can't be Mount Union or Whitewater so as to give the rest of us a chance! ;D ::) :o :P).

BTW, where is Sayer?  He hasn't posted for awhile it appears.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 18, 2011, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2011, 03:57:12 AM
What is going on with Defiance? They're 0-3 and have been outscored 88-25 all at home. Now they have to go to Franklin then to Mt St Joe? It's quite possible they'll be 0-5 or at best 1-4... did anyone think that was possible before the season ?

And with Rose losing the conference is 3-14 in non-conference games... :-[

Surprising start for Defiance for sure with all the returning seniors and pre-season projections for success.  0-5 looks highly probable with their next two opponents.  I am sure the Yellow Jacket program is really disappointed.

The GRIZ got back on the winning track yesterday up in Bluffton with a 49-26 win.  Score looks closer than it was.  Some sloppy defensive play coupled with a couple big plays (FC got burned on a halfback flea flicker.... I love the play except when the other team runs it  :)  FC also got popped on a post where the receiver just ran straight down the field past everyone.  FC had the BC QB on the run several times but couldn't make the sack.  The defense did make 2-3 nice goal line area stands.

The SO FC quarterback (Jonny West) is still working to find consistent rhythm and timing.  With FC losing all HCAC WR Mitch Defner for the season some of the younger guys are getting a chance with a new QB.  Overall FC still rung up 49 which allowed some of second string guys extended minutes in the second half.  Can't complain about a road win.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 19, 2011, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2011, 03:57:12 AM
... did anyone think that was possible before the season ?

And with Rose losing the conference is 3-14 in non-conference games... :-[

Not at all

I really thought Rose would win that game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 19, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.

The running back in the 4th quarter (#20?) was exciting to watch.  Wondering why he wasn't involved earlier.  Don't know that he could sustaing 25 carries up the gut, but when he got outside, he was lightening.  Could open things up if the D has to watch for him getting outside and then the QB running or passing.

I sensed the players are a little frustrated.  Two personal fouls in the second half (on the opening kickoff and then the helmet ripping off) showed a momentary lack of discipline.  Need to make Franklin earn every inch this week.

Best of luck to the Yellow Jackets the rest of the way!

BTW - Nice stadium.  Looks relatively new.  The field surface was interesting, and I would assume a turf field is somewhere in the future plans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 19, 2011, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.

Taking a page from the great orator, JacketsFan (Hey Joe, what do you have to contribute?), perhaps recollection that RT may be the winningest coach (in numbers, not percentage - not even freakin' close!) but he has also LOST more games than any other in DC history.  Perhaps a few of those 5K bricks should be used for some serious head-knocking from the top down?  Has_Been - I really hope that you meant lets "loose" rather than "let's" lose.  Even SoCal can't have you that much depressed can it?  LOL  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

OK, so it looks like it hurt.  Question is, did you win the game?

no.. we lost 35-7.  it was bad.

But the bright side is you dont remember the game!  the fact that Pat and company keeps using this picture still cracks me up!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 17, 2011, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 17, 2011, 03:33:32 PM
Wow - 34 to 5, Hanover at Half?  DC Homecoming crowd must have already headed for the bar!

The crowd did thin out a little, but there were still a good number in the stands.  All the festivities outside the stadium were empthy by the time I left.

Good win for Hanover.  Need to figure out how to put two halves together in the same game one of these days, but the first half was impressive for the Panthers.

Defense was stellar!  Defiance was able to complete some long passes when they were in third and long, but then couldn't sustain the momentum.  Great job D!
It was Ugly, i was in the parking lot at halftime through the end of the game drinking no sense in watching the second half.  had to get primed for heading to coach P's for the 10 yr reunion of the 2001 championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 19, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.

The running back in the 4th quarter (#20?) was exciting to watch.  Wondering why he wasn't involved earlier.  Don't know that he could sustaing 25 carries up the gut, but when he got outside, he was lightening.  Could open things up if the D has to watch for him getting outside and then the QB running or passing.

I sensed the players are a little frustrated.  Two personal fouls in the second half (on the opening kickoff and then the helmet ripping off) showed a momentary lack of discipline.  Need to make Franklin earn every inch this week.

Best of luck to the Yellow Jackets the rest of the way!

BTW - Nice stadium.  Looks relatively new.  The field surface was interesting, and I would assume a turf field is somewhere in the future plans.

Has_been Becuase the Line does not block well they did change things up and went to 5 wide shotgun most of the game.  bad thing is drew is a beast running the ball when he gets some blocks and this does take his pound it style out of the game.

the Stadium was built in 93/94.  they take good care of it, and Football and Track are the only 2 things that use it so while its grass it typically is in very good shape in October and November.  they put the soccer out past the baseball field and 2 Football practice fields...i think they have a couple of bleachers out there.  its got a nice locker room (could use a few updates) and the training room and the 2nd floor is all meeting rooms projectors and the indoor batting cage for baseball
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 19, 2011, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.

Taking a page from the great orator, JacketsFan (Hey Joe, what do you have to contribute?), perhaps recollection that RT may be the winningest coach (in numbers, not percentage - not even freakin' close!) but he has also LOST more games than any other in DC history.  Perhaps a few of those 5K bricks should be used for some serious head-knocking from the top down?  Has_Been - I really hope that you meant lets "loose" rather than "let's" lose.  Even SoCal can't have you that much depressed can it?  LOL  ;D ;D
Whoops, that was a subconscious slip :o.   Yes, he needs to go at it with reckless abandonment!  Trick plays (left tackle pass), blitz every freaking down, deep throws down field, dropping dl in to coverage whatever. 
Big Lou-I hope that all of you guys had a great time!  I really hope that I'll get to make it back for a game sometime.  Unfortunately, most of my Midwest visits occur during the winter holidays.  For some reason the Mrs.'s who is born in raised in So Cal feels it is necessary to take the kids to cold a*$ Michigan for three weeks in December. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 19, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.

The running back in the 4th quarter (#20?) was exciting to watch.  Wondering why he wasn't involved earlier.  Don't know that he could sustaing 25 carries up the gut, but when he got outside, he was lightening.  Could open things up if the D has to watch for him getting outside and then the QB running or passing.

I sensed the players are a little frustrated.  Two personal fouls in the second half (on the opening kickoff and then the helmet ripping off) showed a momentary lack of discipline.  Need to make Franklin earn every inch this week.

Best of luck to the Yellow Jackets the rest of the way!

BTW - Nice stadium.  Looks relatively new.  The field surface was interesting, and I would assume a turf field is somewhere in the future plans.

Has_been Becuase the Line does not block well they did change things up and went to 5 wide shotgun most of the game.  bad thing is drew is a beast running the ball when he gets some blocks and this does take his pound it style out of the game.

the Stadium was built in 93/94.  they take good care of it, and Football and Track are the only 2 things that use it so while its grass it typically is in very good shape in October and November.  they put the soccer out past the baseball field and 2 Football practice fields...i think they have a couple of bleachers out there.  its got a nice locker room (could use a few updates) and the training room and the 2nd floor is all meeting rooms projectors and the indoor batting cage for baseball

There is also a very nice storage room on the second floor to get 1 on 1 tutoring during study table ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 20, 2011, 06:49:56 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 08:47:19 AM
That is surprising re: Defiance.  Yes, cave2, they wanted to go "drown out their sorrows/disappointments" - ouch.  But...I/we (at Hope) know what an 0-3 start feels like the past 6 years until last weekend (although I can only recall in my own playing days there ever going only 0-2 one year).  It must just be that "down cycle" year(s) for Defiance as some programs go through once in awhile (too bad it can't be Mount Union or Whitewater so as to give the rest of us a chance! ;D ::) :o :P).

BTW, where is Sayer?  He hasn't posted for awhile it appears.

Adam is coaching at MSJ currently and thus not allowed on the boards --- I can tell you that I know he reads still.  Unlike his playing days, he won't post on here until after the season.  I'm glad he'll be able to get on here right after the Bridge Bowl :)

I saw what you said on the OAC page.. I have a picture that a parent took of the aftermath when you, Teresa our trainer and our student trainers were standing around trying to "wake me up" after they had sat me up.  I'll try to get that to you via email somehow.  Its comical to me, but I was NOT happy the following Monday when they told me I was done for the year.. my parents apparently were given a "heads up" after the trip to the hospital and knew it wasn't going to be easy to convince me to sit down -- they flew in my Aunt from CA, who is a neurology nurse to help talk sense into me.  I'm glad they were proactive though... even if I didn't understand it at the time.  That was my 2nd major concussion (grade 3) of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 20, 2011, 06:55:57 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2011, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 19, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 19, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Have to say that I am so frustrated with DC's season that I just don't seem to care :o.  I really thought they were going to have a strong showing this season with what they had returning.  It is time for Taylor to really start to mix things up....NOW!  As FCGrizzliesGrad pointed out their next two games are going to be some stiff competition.  Let's hope coach gets creative and lets lose.

The running back in the 4th quarter (#20?) was exciting to watch.  Wondering why he wasn't involved earlier.  Don't know that he could sustaing 25 carries up the gut, but when he got outside, he was lightening.  Could open things up if the D has to watch for him getting outside and then the QB running or passing.

I sensed the players are a little frustrated.  Two personal fouls in the second half (on the opening kickoff and then the helmet ripping off) showed a momentary lack of discipline.  Need to make Franklin earn every inch this week.

Best of luck to the Yellow Jackets the rest of the way!

BTW - Nice stadium.  Looks relatively new.  The field surface was interesting, and I would assume a turf field is somewhere in the future plans.

Has_been Becuase the Line does not block well they did change things up and went to 5 wide shotgun most of the game.  bad thing is drew is a beast running the ball when he gets some blocks and this does take his pound it style out of the game.

the Stadium was built in 93/94.  they take good care of it, and Football and Track are the only 2 things that use it so while its grass it typically is in very good shape in October and November.  they put the soccer out past the baseball field and 2 Football practice fields...i think they have a couple of bleachers out there.  its got a nice locker room (could use a few updates) and the training room and the 2nd floor is all meeting rooms projectors and the indoor batting cage for baseball

we had a couple battles on that field in 1997 and 1999.. Still remember our 1998 tilt in Bellevue, though... don't know how you guys escaped there with the win... all we had to do was get a LS to our punter and the game was over... it wasn't to be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2011, 08:07:53 AM
SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you.  Wow, you have a photo of the "aftermath" of that play, which goes along with the one of the actual hit.  Yes, I would like to have a copy of that for my scrap book too, so if you get the chance to email one to me, I'd appreciate it. 

I know what you mean about the disappointment in having been done for the season at that point.  While I think that most everyone has taken concussions seriously in the past, certainly with more awareness now at the level of the NCAA and pros (which, of course, trickles down to high school and youth leagues), it is getting even more strict with regards to return to play decisions and that is fine.  We all love the sport and the competitiveness, yet in the long term, it is just not worth it to take chances. 

Anyway, take care and enjoy whatever next few games you get a chance to attend.  BTW, thanks for the info re: Sayer.  One of our other friends Cave2 had informed me also that Sayer was coaching so not able to be on the boards - I had forgotten he had taken the coaching position at his MSJ this year.  A great experience and opportunity for him.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 20, 2011, 08:12:28 AM
SaintsFan while we escaped with a W in 98, you escaped in 96 and 97...and 93 where all we had to do is stop celebrating the vicotry after the blocked FG!!!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 20, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
In regards to the field at DC, I still like the fact that we still have natural grass.  I do not know if they will make the switch anytime soon, but I hope they don't rush it after spending all the money on the tennis courts and field house. 
By the way big Lou, how did the building of the field house look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 20, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 20, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
In regards to the field at DC, I still like the fact that we still have natural grass.  I do not know if they will make the switch anytime soon, but I hope they don't rush it after spending all the money on the tennis courts and field house. 
By the way big Lou, how did the building of the field house look?

No problems with the natural grass, but we were noticiing from the visitor side that at the "cannon end" of the field, there is a trench on the visitor side hash.  It is pronounced, and noticeable from the stands.  It looks as though there may have been a recess between the hash marks from 20 to 20 at some point, and then when it was filled in, it wasn't feathered.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2011, 09:47:33 PM
Grass is fine as long as it's taken care of, but it costs money to maintain and if it gets torn up it can cause problems.
Franklin had grass in 2008 and it got torn up in the rainy season finale vs Hanover... then as a 5 seed we went on the road in the playoffs beating a 4 and 1 seed and ended up having to host the 7 seed... but the field was deemed unworthy for tournament use so it had to be played at the local high school that had recently opened and had a turf field. Franklin installed a turf field a year later
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 20, 2011, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 20, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 20, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
In regards to the field at DC, I still like the fact that we still have natural grass.  I do not know if they will make the switch anytime soon, but I hope they don't rush it after spending all the money on the tennis courts and field house. 
By the way big Lou, how did the building of the field house look?

No problems with the natural grass, but we were noticiing from the visitor side that at the "cannon end" of the field, there is a trench on the visitor side hash.  It is pronounced, and noticeable from the stands.  It looks as though there may have been a recess between the hash marks from 20 to 20 at some point, and then when it was filled in, it wasn't feathered.

there is something with the grade of the crown at that end when you get away from the peak where it looks uneven from the stands because it's more dip than the rest but you can not tell on the field. Just causes you to notice from far away. been that way since it opened rare that it's noticed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 06:36:50 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 20, 2011, 08:12:28 AM
SaintsFan while we escaped with a W in 98, you escaped in 96 and 97...and 93 where all we had to do is stop celebrating the vicotry after the blocked FG!!!

That 93 game was fate... Pretty funny they mention the 1998 game in the story about the 93 game in that book... You guys learned your lesson..

lots of escaping!!!  Well, except for 1995 and 1999... but three years of escapes isn't bad.  We were good rivals, I thought.. until very recently Defiance was the only AMC Team to have beaten TMC.  Then that coach of yours decided you couldn't compete with TMC anymore.... not very masculine.. if you ask me, your program has been in a slide since that day :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 06:41:22 AM
BTW ---

welcome to the board, Thunder44 --- always good to have new blood on here.  Hope you stick around.  Well, despite you being a Hanover fan.... I kid, I kid... kinda.  My Uncle was All-American at Hanover.  Before he passed on, we would always tease him that TMC was going to kick the snot out of them.  He loved that school... met his wife there, etc. 

They are headed in the right direction with the new coach.  They surprised me in Crestview Hills... I think they'll surprise a team this year.  What got TMC going was their athleticism and speed...or it may have been a different story.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 19, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 16, 2011, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
guys check out the picture on the Around the Nation Column --- they put some picture of some poor QB from Thomas More on there.. http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/dear-players-heed-our-advice

OK, so it looks like it hurt.  Question is, did you win the game?

no.. we lost 35-7.  it was bad.

But the bright side is you dont remember the game!  the fact that Pat and company keeps using this picture still cracks me up!

BTW --- I usually NEVER remembered the games.  I always felt like I was seeing the games for the 1st time when we reviewed films. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 06:41:22 AM
BTW ---

welcome to the board, Thunder44 --- always good to have new blood on here.  Hope you stick around.  Well, despite you being a Hanover fan.... I kid, I kid... kinda.  My Uncle was All-American at Hanover.  Before he passed on, we would always tease him that TMC was going to kick the snot out of them.  He loved that school... met his wife there, etc. 

They are headed in the right direction with the new coach.  They surprised me in Crestview Hills... I think they'll surprise a team this year.  What got TMC going was their athleticism and speed...or it may have been a different story.

I think in many ways Coach Austin and staff are working to emulate the success that TM has built over the last few years.  Last season, the Panthers took a huge step forward on that path by being really competitive in the conference, and need to do so again this year.  To get to the next level, they will need to be more competitive in their two out of conference games consistently.

I really hope that TM and Hanover keep the series going, as it serves as a good measuring stick for Hanover about their progress against a top team.  That, and an away game at TM is closer than a home game at Hanover!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 21, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
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I really hope that TM and Hanover keep the series going, as it serves as a good measuring stick for Hanover about their progress against a top team.  That, and an away game at TM is closer than a home game at Hanover!

In his radio show, I think Austin said Wabash will be on our schedule in place of Thomas More. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 21, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
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I really hope that TM and Hanover keep the series going, as it serves as a good measuring stick for Hanover about their progress against a top team.  That, and an away game at TM is closer than a home game at Hanover!

In his radio show, I think Austin said Wabash will be on our schedule in place of Thomas More.

That's interesting.  I thought that Centre was no longer going to play Hanover, which may be due in part to their new conferece affiliation, and that Wabash was taking their place.  If that were the case, our 2 out of conference games are with Top 25 teams, along with Franklin in conference, which should give the Panthers a good idea of what they need to work on to be successful.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 22, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
Greetings to all you miscreants, ne'er do wells, carpet bagging Yankees and scalawags from the land down under (the other 49). Rumors of my demise have been greatly exagerrated although it's plain to see that Taylor and Company are about as dead as a frozen mullet. I remember when #92 was playing there and DC got dangerously close to a ring a couple of times, Taylor said something about having a 4 year plan. Well, 4 years and then some have come and gone and DC has gone backwards, not forwards. So I have a plan of my own I humbly submit for consideration: As they say in the airline industry, "Buh-bye."

It's time to start over. You can't get your wagon out of the ruts when the ruts are bigger than the wheels and it's high time for the Pooh-bahs at DC to come to grips with that. The loss to Hanover (congratulations, Panthers) was shatteringly loud and certainly sufficient enough that DC's illustrious president ought to be summoning The Turk right about now.

It's good to be back among pigskin friends. Cave2bens, you and I have some catching up to do. I seem to have gotten your email address screwed up so drop me a line, wouldja? DC has been, 70 Dc alum, SaintsFAN and formerd3db, I hope all is well with you. I'm proud to announce that #92 and the Missus have hatched a boy that, at one year old, is about three feet tall and tips the scale at 35 lb or so. Even at this early age, he's strong as hell (lifted a crock pot over his head and dropped it on the floor and broke it) and seems to already have quite an arm going. The kid lobs his toys like a closer. The eldest of Clan JacketsFan and his bride just produced a princess, that being the first female child born into the family in a generation. Yours truly will be retiring from Uncle Sugar after or around the first of the year. I aim to do some traveling to small town America for a series of back road travel stories I've promised the ediotor of my weekly column, "Cup of Joe." Ergo, I will be stopping by some small towns in Ohiofor local color, so I may need a place to crash when passing through. Anywho, time to go grab a shower and slow pokey off to the real job grind in the meantime. Every day I wake up smiling. Retirement is going to be grand.

Outta here, meatheads. Slanche!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 22, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 22, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
Greetings to all you miscreants, ne'er do wells
...

Guilty as charged...

Thought I'd share this feel-good story from my 'ol HS stomping ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkFMWXdkac&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkFMWXdkac&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 22, 2011, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: JacketsFan on September 22, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
Greetings to all you miscreants, ne'er do wells, carpet bagging Yankees and scalawags from the land down under (the other 49). Rumors of my demise have been greatly exagerrated although it's plain to see that Taylor and Company are about as dead as a frozen mullet. I remember when #92 was playing there and DC got dangerously close to a ring a couple of times, Taylor said something about having a 4 year plan. Well, 4 years and then some have come and gone and DC has gone backwards, not forwards. So I have a plan of my own I humbly submit for consideration: As they say in the airline industry, "Buh-bye."

It's time to start over. You can't get your wagon out of the ruts when the ruts are bigger than the wheels and it's high time for the Pooh-bahs at DC to come to grips with that. The loss to Hanover (congratulations, Panthers) was shatteringly loud and certainly sufficient enough that DC's illustrious president ought to be summoning The Turk right about now.

It's good to be back among pigskin friends. Cave2bens, you and I have some catching up to do. I seem to have gotten your email address screwed up so drop me a line, wouldja? DC has been, 70 Dc alum, SaintsFAN and formerd3db, I hope all is well with you. I'm proud to announce that #92 and the Missus have hatched a boy that, at one year old, is about three feet tall and tips the scale at 35 lb or so. Even at this early age, he's strong as hell (lifted a crock pot over his head and dropped it on the floor and broke it) and seems to already have quite an arm going. The kid lobs his toys like a closer. The eldest of Clan JacketsFan and his bride just produced a princess, that being the first female child born into the family in a generation. Yours truly will be retiring from Uncle Sugar after or around the first of the year. I aim to do some traveling to small town America for a series of back road travel stories I've promised the ediotor of my weekly column, "Cup of Joe." Ergo, I will be stopping by some small towns in Ohiofor local color, so I may need a place to crash when passing through. Anywho, time to go grab a shower and slow pokey off to the real job grind in the meantime. Every day I wake up smiling. Retirement is going to be grand.

Outta here, meatheads. Slanche!

Jackets Fan:  Your creative prose even makes hearing about the demise of Defiance football sound enjoyable.  I enjoy your posts and effective use of the english language!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 22, 2011, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 06:41:22 AM
BTW ---

welcome to the board, Thunder44 --- always good to have new blood on here.  Hope you stick around.  Well, despite you being a Hanover fan.... I kid, I kid... kinda.  My Uncle was All-American at Hanover.  Before he passed on, we would always tease him that TMC was going to kick the snot out of them.  He loved that school... met his wife there, etc. 

They are headed in the right direction with the new coach.  They surprised me in Crestview Hills... I think they'll surprise a team this year.  What got TMC going was their athleticism and speed...or it may have been a different story.

Maybe they are trying to emulate FC (but will never admit it!!)  ;D

I think in many ways Coach Austin and staff are working to emulate the success that TM has built over the last few years.  Last season, the Panthers took a huge step forward on that path by being really competitive in the conference, and need to do so again this year.  To get to the next level, they will need to be more competitive in their two out of conference games consistently.

I really hope that TM and Hanover keep the series going, as it serves as a good measuring stick for Hanover about their progress against a top team.  That, and an away game at TM is closer than a home game at Hanover!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2011, 10:52:06 AM
Here's my conference preview for the week...

Mount should handle Bluffton at home. MSJ needs to not overlook Bluffton ahead of next week's big game at Franklin.

Franklin should take care of struggling Defiance at home, but if DC can at least put up a good fight they may turn things around for the rest of the year (playing Hanover, Franklin, and MSJ to start the conference will leave them an easy schedule but leave them unable to play spoilers against the top teams late in the season)

Earlham at Anderson... is it possible for both to lose? Anderson has been outscored 130-38 and Earlham 93-30... between them they've had one game that was closer than 22 points and that was Earlham last week vs Manchester.

I think the game of the week is Hanover @ Rose... if it was in Hanover I'd have to say they'd win, but RHIT might be able to win in Terre Haute. Past several years Rose has had winning records and hovered around 3rd or 4th in the conference but unable to beat the top teams. Big game if they want any shot at taking the next step this year.

Manchester gets to be unbeaten in the conference and have a winning record for another week
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 22, 2011, 11:00:59 AM
Over their last 100 games Bluffton stands at 26-74. A decade of futility with the last winning season being a 7-3 campaign in 2000 (5-5 in '01 and '04). I really hope the Beavers can get this turned around but the 0-3 start this season doesn't seem to bode well for them.  :'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 22, 2011, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 22, 2011, 11:00:59 AM
Over their last 100 games Bluffton stands at 26-74. A decade of futility with the last winning season being a 7-3 campaign in 2000 (5-5 in '01 and '04). I really hope the Beavers can get this turned around but the 0-3 start this season doesn't seem to bode well for them.  :'(
Darn that 2000 season!  That was a tough game to lose in 2000, DC vs. Bluffton.  I hope that both teams in NW Ohio can get things turned around and rise to the top of the HCAC just DC being on the very top.

JacketsFan,  Glad to see you back brother!  I am also happy to hear all the wonderful news about the family even though I saw some of it posted on FB! 

In regards to Hanover and Franklin, I have to say good for them for scheduling tough opponents for their nonconference games.  I feel that is the way you build a strong program.  Play teams that make you want to better and raise your level of performance.  If both schools continue that path then they could not only build HCAC powerhouses but national ones too (Franklin sorta already has).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2011, 09:52:46 AM
Franklin wasn't good for quite some time... didn't have a winning record for a while, then after back to back 5-5 seasons have become the conference power we now see with 3 losses in conference going back to 2006. If we can improve in a fairly short span like that, others like Bluffton could as well
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 23, 2011, 10:34:53 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2011, 09:52:46 AM
Franklin wasn't good for quite some time... didn't have a winning record for a while, then after back to back 5-5 seasons have become the conference power we now see with 3 losses in conference going back to 2006. If we can improve in a fairly short span like that, others like Bluffton could as well

football is cyclical
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3hcfan on September 23, 2011, 10:36:31 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 21, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
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I really hope that TM and Hanover keep the series going, as it serves as a good measuring stick for Hanover about their progress against a top team.  That, and an away game at TM is closer than a home game at Hanover!

In his radio show, I think Austin said Wabash will be on our schedule in place of Thomas More.

That's interesting.  I thought that Centre was no longer going to play Hanover, which may be due in part to their new conferece affiliation, and that Wabash was taking their place.  If that were the case, our 2 out of conference games are with Top 25 teams, along with Franklin in conference, which should give the Panthers a good idea of what they need to work on to be successful.

Coach Austin in his show on Wednesday said they are replacing Thomas More with Illinois College which will be the opening game. Centre was moved to the second game then dropped for Wabash when Centre entered the new conference and had to drop Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: d3hcfan on September 23, 2011, 10:36:31 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 21, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
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I really hope that TM and Hanover keep the series going, as it serves as a good measuring stick for Hanover about their progress against a top team.  That, and an away game at TM is closer than a home game at Hanover!

In his radio show, I think Austin said Wabash will be on our schedule in place of Thomas More.

That's interesting.  I thought that Centre was no longer going to play Hanover, which may be due in part to their new conferece affiliation, and that Wabash was taking their place.  If that were the case, our 2 out of conference games are with Top 25 teams, along with Franklin in conference, which should give the Panthers a good idea of what they need to work on to be successful.

Coach Austin in his show on Wednesday said they are replacing Thomas More with Illinois College which will be the opening game. Centre was moved to the second game then dropped for Wabash when Centre entered the new conference and had to drop Hanover.

Thanks for posting that.  I have to admit, I am not familiar with Illinois College or their conference, but now I have some homework to do.  Looks like they have been around 4-5 or 5-4 in conference the last 4 years, but are off to a good start this season at 3-0.

Wabash will be a good test, as they are a perennial contender in the NCAC.  This would be a good Indiana rivalry to have early in the season if Hanover can get to the level (and stay there) that Wabash plays.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 23, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
Well, that is not going to make SaintsFan happy that only MSJ from the HCAC will be left onto the schedule. 
I am curious on why Illinois College?  It is a lot further to travel than TMC or Centre and a weaker team.  Dang it, I just got done complementing Hanover for scheduling tough nonconf teams.  Though I do like the Wabash scheduling. 
I like that DC still plays Adrian (58 games against each other, 28-29-1) and another team from the OAC even though it has not raised their level of play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 23, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
Well, that is not going to make SaintsFan happy that only MSJ from the HCAC will be left onto the schedule. 
I am curious on why Illinois College?  It is a lot further to travel than TMC or Centre and a weaker team.  Dang it, I just got done complementing Hanover for scheduling tough nonconf teams.  Though I do like the Wabash scheduling. 
I like that DC still plays Adrian (58 games against each other, 28-29-1) and another team from the OAC even though it has not raised their level of play.

And, we all know, it is all about SaintsFan's happiness!! ::)

Who knows how the decision got made.  Without having any inside information, it may have been TM's decision as much as Hanover's, or just mutual decision by both coaches to play someone else for a couple of years.  I think the rivalry has been going on since TM started football, so I anticipate they will play again sometime soon.

As to why Illinois College, I have no idea about that.  Quite a distance from Hanover, not a powerhouse in their conference, but maybe Coach Austin knows something about them or their conference that he likes.  As you mention, Hanover still has Wabash on the schedule as a tough test right before conference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 01:03:58 PM
Also not a regional game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 01:03:58 PM
Also not a regional game.

What's the significance of it being (or in this case, not being) a regional game?  Are there implications for the playoff seeding, or other considerations?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 23, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 23, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
Well, that is not going to make SaintsFan happy that only MSJ from the HCAC will be left onto the schedule. 
I am curious on why Illinois College?  It is a lot further to travel than TMC or Centre and a weaker team.  Dang it, I just got done complementing Hanover for scheduling tough nonconf teams.  Though I do like the Wabash scheduling. 
I like that DC still plays Adrian (58 games against each other, 28-29-1) and another team from the OAC even though it has not raised their level of play.

And, we all know, it is all about SaintsFan's happiness!! ::)

Who knows how the decision got made.  Without having any inside information, it may have been TM's decision as much as Hanover's, or just mutual decision by both coaches to play someone else for a couple of years.  I think the rivalry has been going on since TM started football, so I anticipate they will play again sometime soon.

As to why Illinois College, I have no idea about that.  Quite a distance from Hanover, not a powerhouse in their conference, but maybe Coach Austin knows something about them or their conference that he likes.  As you mention, Hanover still has Wabash on the schedule as a tough test right before conference play.

First of all -- the HCAC is all pussified now.  J/K.  I don't care as much as I used to. 

I would think this is a Hanover decision.  Even when I was there in the late 90s we had trouble keeping teams on the schedule.  As a result, we had to play NAIA teams, D2 teams and I-AA teams (non scholly).  The ONLY reason MSJ came back to the table to discuss the series renewing was that they felt we were on the way down. 

Thunder the series took a hiatus following the 1993 game --- there was a fight after the game as the teams shook hands.  Kinda funny story, if you're a TMC guy or fan.. Hanover's prez didn't take this lightly.  The series resumed in 1998 in KY. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 01:55:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 23, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 23, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
Well, that is not going to make SaintsFan happy that only MSJ from the HCAC will be left onto the schedule. 
I am curious on why Illinois College?  It is a lot further to travel than TMC or Centre and a weaker team.  Dang it, I just got done complementing Hanover for scheduling tough nonconf teams.  Though I do like the Wabash scheduling. 
I like that DC still plays Adrian (58 games against each other, 28-29-1) and another team from the OAC even though it has not raised their level of play.

And, we all know, it is all about SaintsFan's happiness!! ::)

Who knows how the decision got made.  Without having any inside information, it may have been TM's decision as much as Hanover's, or just mutual decision by both coaches to play someone else for a couple of years.  I think the rivalry has been going on since TM started football, so I anticipate they will play again sometime soon.

As to why Illinois College, I have no idea about that.  Quite a distance from Hanover, not a powerhouse in their conference, but maybe Coach Austin knows something about them or their conference that he likes.  As you mention, Hanover still has Wabash on the schedule as a tough test right before conference play.

First of all -- the HCAC is all pussified now.  J/K.  I don't care as much as I used to. 

I would think this is a Hanover decision.  Even when I was there in the late 90s we had trouble keeping teams on the schedule.  As a result, we had to play NAIA teams, D2 teams and I-AA teams (non scholly).  The ONLY reason MSJ came back to the table to discuss the series renewing was that they felt we were on the way down. 

Thunder the series took a hiatus following the 1993 game --- there was a fight after the game as the teams shook hands.  Kinda funny story, if you're a TMC guy or fan.. Hanover's prez didn't take this lightly.  The series resumed in 1998 in KY.

This may have been Hanover's decision, but on the flip side, it may present an opportunity for Thomas More to go out and get a non-conference opponent in the Top 25 to start the season.  If the Saints are truly interested in competing for the national title (I believe they are) it wouldn't hurt to step up their schedule in the only opening they have.  Franklin put Wisconsin Whitewater on the schedule, and from all I have read, they felt it was a good learning experience.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 23, 2011, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 01:03:58 PM
Also not a regional game.

What's the significance of it being (or in this case, not being) a regional game?  Are there implications for the playoff seeding, or other considerations?

Yes. Non-regional games are all but ignored in the playoff selection and seeding process.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 23, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
If we were fortunate enough to win conference and have a non-conf win against Wabash, I don't see the out of region against Ill. College playing a huge role in seeding.  Maybe so but for now Hanover is just trying to scratch their way up to the top of HCAC.  Until someone knocks off Franklin they're the only ones concerned with seeding right now anyway. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 23, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
Since regional games are brought up, wouldn't be better for TMC to schedule a team from the south region?  Also, hasn't non regional games affected I believe Whitewater one year before where they didn't get the one seed because lack of regional games?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 23, 2011, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 23, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
Since regional games are brought up, wouldn't be better for TMC to schedule a team from the south region?  Also, hasn't non regional games affected I believe Whitewater one year before where they didn't get the one seed because lack of regional games?

It's happened a couple times during this recent run. Most DIII's won't schedule them, even it they have open weeks in their schedule, esp. in the west region so they have loaded up with NAIA's that do not get included come playoff time. Played Adrian last year and Franklin this year, but both were non-region games and are not considered at playoff seeding time. With less games under consideration, although unbeaten, they have received a lower seed.  Last year was a prime example. They were forced to go on the road for multiple games during championship run. Probably upset their fans more than the team, but we'd have to be kidding each other to say it didn't bother the team, too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 24, 2011, 02:11:33 PM
Not used to that. By FAR the best offensive series all year for Defiance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 24, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
I check the live stats and get a baseball game >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 24, 2011, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 24, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
I check the live stats and get a baseball game >:(
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Defiance website isn't working for live stats. Use Franklin's website.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 24, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 24, 2011, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 24, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
I check the live stats and get a baseball game >:(
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Defiance website isn't working for live stats. Use Franklin's website.

Score, please Sir?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 24, 2011, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 24, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 24, 2011, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 24, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
I check the live stats and get a baseball game >:(

Defiance website isn't working for live stats. Use Franklin's website.

Score, please Sir?
Franklin up 24-14 at halftime
Here's the working Live Stats page... http://www.franklingrizzlies.com/fc/TAS/fb/xlive.htm (http://www.franklingrizzlies.com/fc/TAS/fb/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 24, 2011, 03:34:58 PM
Does anyone have knowledge of the Bluffton-MSJ game? Live stats link on d3football goes to a Manchester-MSJ game from last year (at least it's a football game and not baseball :P) I looked up on Bluffton's site and it's still last week's game against Franklin. Franklin radio broadcast doesn't know anything about that game either.

Good game going on between Rose and Hanover it looks like
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2011, 04:04:58 AM
I have to say, I was a bit worried in the first half against Defiance, but Franklin managed to pulled away in the 2nd half. Franklin has struggled a bit running the ball, especially in the first half the past few weeks.


It seems like the last few weeks of the season won't have too much intrigue. Of the 10 games between what I felt were the 5 legitimate contenders (Franklin, MSJ, Rose, Hanover, Defiance) we've already played 3 of them, have 1 next week, 2 the following, and 1 the following... in the final four weeks of the season the only potential big games are Defiance-Rose, Hanover-MSJ, and Franklin-Hanover.
If (and it's certainly not a sure thing by any means) Franklin wins the next two weeks vs MSJ and at Rose, then barring some fluke loss, Hanover would have to run the table (which they should do for their next four games at least) to prevent Franklin from being champs a month before the season is over.

I know it's probably hard to make schedules, but it'd be nice to have more games between -what are likely to be- contending teams later in the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on September 25, 2011, 08:17:55 AM
Saw your post earlier SaintsFan about TMC/Hanover and had to look my password back up! 

Hopefully TMC/Hanover will continue at some point.  Probably was a good idea to suspend things in 1993 because things were extremely heated at that point.  I personally loved playing Hanover and looked forward to it because they were good but that particular Hanover team couldn't take it.  I can appreciate hating to lose and it's OK to mouth off all game if you are competing hard, but if you spit on a player there's going be a fight.

Defiance was an even better rivalry in the early 90's and it's too bad the HCAC didn't bring in TMC when the AMC disbanded (I think it was Bluffton-Wilmington-Defiance-TMC at that point).   You'd have the Bridge Bowl, plus the other great match-ups every year.   It's beating a dead horse by now but someday maybe everyone will agree.  Sure would be nice to have Franlkin play TMC this year.  Whitewater is great for Franklin but may be unnecessary if TMC is on the schedule every year.  Never understood why Wilmington wasn't in the mix as well.  They make more sense than Rose-Hulman don't they?  What about Tranzy?

If TMC ever falls off the map in sports maybe they can replace Earlham and as a doormat.  Probably the only way it could happen.  Since TMC won 9 conference titles last year in the PAC it's extremely unlikely that anything would happen now.

That's my once in a blue moon post.

Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 26, 2011, 06:57:45 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2011, 04:04:58 AM
I have to say, I was a bit worried in the first half against Defiance, but Franklin managed to pulled away in the 2nd half. Franklin has struggled a bit running the ball, especially in the first half the past few weeks.


It seems like the last few weeks of the season won't have too much intrigue. Of the 10 games between what I felt were the 5 legitimate contenders (Franklin, MSJ, Rose, Hanover, Defiance) we've already played 3 of them, have 1 next week, 2 the following, and 1 the following... in the final four weeks of the season the only potential big games are Defiance-Rose, Hanover-MSJ, and Franklin-Hanover.
If (and it's certainly not a sure thing by any means) Franklin wins the next two weeks vs MSJ and at Rose, then barring some fluke loss, Hanover would have to run the table (which they should do for their next four games at least) to prevent Franklin from being champs a month before the season is over.

I know it's probably hard to make schedules, but it'd be nice to have more games between -what are likely to be- contending teams later in the season.

I still contend that FC is still a work in progress when it comes to putting a complete 60 minutes together but will get it dialed in as the season progresses.  Hopefully first half improvement will happen this week.  While MSJ is certainly not the same caliber they have been in past seasons, they are still a good team that is well coached and will be fully motivated.  No need to allow them to be in the game in the second half as a result of FC lack of execution. FC is still a work in progress IMO. Particularly on the offensive side.  Having a new QB coupled with less experience than past years at receiver takes time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2011, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: FCC Approved Bland Name on September 25, 2011, 08:17:55 AM
Saw your post earlier SaintsFan about TMC/Hanover and had to look my password back up! 

Hopefully TMC/Hanover will continue at some point.  Probably was a good idea to suspend things in 1993 because things were extremely heated at that point.  I personally loved playing Hanover and looked forward to it because they were good but that particular Hanover team couldn't take it.  I can appreciate hating to lose and it's OK to mouth off all game if you are competing hard, but if you spit on a player there's going be a fight.

Defiance was an even better rivalry in the early 90's and it's too bad the HCAC didn't bring in TMC when the AMC disbanded (I think it was Bluffton-Wilmington-Defiance-TMC at that point).   You'd have the Bridge Bowl, plus the other great match-ups every year.   It's beating a dead horse by now but someday maybe everyone will agree.  Sure would be nice to have Franlkin play TMC this year.  Whitewater is great for Franklin but may be unnecessary if TMC is on the schedule every year.  Never understood why Wilmington wasn't in the mix as well.  They make more sense than Rose-Hulman don't they?  What about Tranzy?

If TMC ever falls off the map in sports maybe they can replace Earlham and as a doormat.  Probably the only way it could happen.  Since TMC won 9 conference titles last year in the PAC it's extremely unlikely that anything would happen now.

That's my once in a blue moon post.

Hope all is well.

Well said, Rebel... I thought that post may bring you out of the shadows a bit.. even if for just a minute.  Let me know if you're going to Homecoming.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Been a quiet week here on the board hasn't it. Is everyone just enjoying the first full week of autumn or something?

Mount St Joseph @ Franklin: Battle of 2-0 conference teams... winner has to be considered the favorites to win the conference. If Franklin can play to their potential for 60 minutes they should cruise... but they haven't done that yet this year. Should be a great game, could be a lot of points.

Rose-Hulman @ Manchester: Battle of 1-0 conference teams... I just don't see Manchester being a factor in the standings. Rose is a darkhorse for the crown. Don't overlook them.

Anderson @ Hanover: Hanover still has a shot at the conference title even with their one loss. They should be able to win their next 4 games, but they can't take it easy. This would be a big step toward moving into the top half of the conference for Anderson if they can pull the upset.

Earlham @ Bluffton: Battle of 0-4 teams... Someone has to win here... and I think that someone should be Bluffton. That would drop Earlham to 0-15 overall and 0-11 in conference since they joined the HCAC last year.

Defiance gets a rest after their horrible start. Doesn't get any easier heading to MSJ next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 30, 2011, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Been a quiet week here on the board hasn't it. Is everyone just enjoying the first full week of autumn or something?

Mount St Joseph @ Franklin: Battle of 2-0 conference teams... winner has to be considered the favorites to win the conference. If Franklin can play to their potential for 60 minutes they should cruise... but they haven't done that yet this year. Should be a great game, could be a lot of points.

Rose-Hulman @ Manchester: Battle of 1-0 conference teams... I just don't see Manchester being a factor in the standings. Rose is a darkhorse for the crown. Don't overlook them.

Anderson @ Hanover: Hanover still has a shot at the conference title even with their one loss. They should be able to win their next 4 games, but they can't take it easy. This would be a big step toward moving into the top half of the conference for Anderson if they can pull the upset.

Earlham @ Bluffton: Battle of 0-4 teams... Someone has to win here... and I think that someone should be Bluffton. That would drop Earlham to 0-15 overall and 0-11 in conference since they joined the HCAC last year.

Defiance gets a rest after their horrible start. Doesn't get any easier heading to MSJ next week.

Still trying to get the memory of the horrible Hanover @ Rose Hulman 1st quarter out of my mind.  Can't type while shaking my head over and over. 

But, this is a new week.  Hoping for a strong performance out of the Panthers at home.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
SaintsFAN:

I PM'd you earlier this week.  Check your PM.  Hope you are doing well and enjoy the weekend.

Best of luck to everyone's HCAC teams this weekend.  Nice synopsis FCGG!  Safe travels everyone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 01, 2011, 01:36:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
Best of luck to everyone's HCAC teams this weekend.  Nice synopsis FCGG!  Safe travels everyone.

Agree - great "synopsis!"  Perhaps a week of rest will result in Yellow Jacket "synapses" rejuvenation, coupled with some ephaptics from sideline to huddle.  Dendrons, guys, not "denned drones."  ;D ???

Y'all stay dry, warm, or at least reactive to what ever Ma Nature dishes out this weekend, and safe travels.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 01, 2011, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Been a quiet week here on the board hasn't it. Is everyone just enjoying the first full week of autumn or something?

Mount St Joseph @ Franklin: Battle of 2-0 conference teams... winner has to be considered the favorites to win the conference. If Franklin can play to their potential for 60 minutes they should cruise... but they haven't done that yet this year. Should be a great game, could be a lot of points.

Rose-Hulman @ Manchester: Battle of 1-0 conference teams... I just don't see Manchester being a factor in the standings. Rose is a darkhorse for the crown. Don't overlook them.

Anderson @ Hanover: Hanover still has a shot at the conference title even with their one loss. They should be able to win their next 4 games, but they can't take it easy. This would be a big step toward moving into the top half of the conference for Anderson if they can pull the upset.

Earlham @ Bluffton: Battle of 0-4 teams... Someone has to win here... and I think that someone should be Bluffton. That would drop Earlham to 0-15 overall and 0-11 in conference since they joined the HCAC last year.

Defiance gets a rest after their horrible start. Doesn't get any easier heading to MSJ next week.

I agree FCGG.  The GRIZ need to start off strong and get the TD train rolling in the first half.  I look for a comptetive game with the GRIZ pulling away late for something like a 42-21 win.  We will see.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 01, 2011, 04:59:57 PM
That was a pretty uninspiring game for Franklin, but it's another W. Too many turnovers and struggling to run. Had MSJ not had their own problems with turnovers and penalties they could have won. It's been enough for the Grizzlies to get by in the conference, but it's not going to cut it on a national stage (as witnessed in the UWW game)

Looked like Manchester really gave it a go today but just came up short.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 01, 2011, 11:57:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 01, 2011, 04:59:57 PM
That was a pretty uninspiring game for Franklin, but it's another W. Too many turnovers and struggling to run. Had MSJ not had their own problems with turnovers and penalties they could have won. It's been enough for the Grizzlies to get by in the conference, but it's not going to cut it on a national stage (as witnessed in the UWW game)

Looked like Manchester really gave it a go today but just came up short.

a win is a win.... nothing pretty about it  Rose next week   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 02, 2011, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 01, 2011, 04:59:57 PM
That was a pretty uninspiring game for Franklin, but it's another W. Too many turnovers and struggling to run. Had MSJ not had their own problems with turnovers and penalties they could have won. It's been enough for the Grizzlies to get by in the conference, but it's not going to cut it on a national stage (as witnessed in the UWW game)

Looked like Manchester really gave it a go today but just came up short.

That is reminiscient of Hanover's showing at Rose Hulman last week.  Frustrating to watch, but as another poster pointed out, a win is a win.

Just checked out the box score.  What was the cause of the struggle running the ball?  It looks as though Franklin had the passing game going strong, with a lot of different guys getting catches.  Didn't that open up some options for the run game, or was MSJ just that dialed-in on what the Grizzlies were running?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 02, 2011, 11:14:39 AM
Hanover finally put together a complete game against Anderson.  Still turning over the ball too much, but all in all a good effort. 

Good passing game with no interceptions, and the best running game of the season.  Defense played solid, and for most of the day, held Spann (#17) in check. He is an exciting runner to watch, and if he gets past the first level, he can fly.  Special recognition for Hanover DL Neal Ploeger (#93) with his first interception.  Anderson QB was looking to throw it away, but made the mistake of throwing right at the line, and Ploeger caught it like he had been doing it all his life. 

Eubanks stepped up huge for Hanover catching a few tough passes, and Robinette was his usual reliable self, with one exceptional play where he caught the ball in some traffic, and then outran the DBs for the TD.

One last game note was the fourth quarter introduction of the 2 back set, which seemed to improve the running game.  Seemed to open up the options, and resulted in a few nice runs.

On a personal note, it was good to meet panthersfan and family before the game.  Looking forward to our next tailgate extravaganza later in October.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 02, 2011, 10:56:47 AM
Just checked out the box score.  What was the cause of the struggle running the ball?  It looks as though Franklin had the passing game going strong, with a lot of different guys getting catches.  Didn't that open up some options for the run game, or was MSJ just that dialed-in on what the Grizzlies were running?
Since UWW stuffed them they haven't been able to run the ball that well in the first 2-3 quarters. Then towards the end of the game when they're trying to eat up clock they manage to get some yards so the stats don't look quite so bad. Too many times the defensive line is able to clog up holes or hit the runner behind the line.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 03, 2011, 08:04:19 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 02, 2011, 10:56:47 AM
Just checked out the box score.  What was the cause of the struggle running the ball?  It looks as though Franklin had the passing game going strong, with a lot of different guys getting catches.  Didn't that open up some options for the run game, or was MSJ just that dialed-in on what the Grizzlies were running?
Since UWW stuffed them they haven't been able to run the ball that well in the first 2-3 quarters. Then towards the end of the game when they're trying to eat up clock they manage to get some yards so the stats don't look quite so bad. Too many times the defensive line is able to clog up holes or hit the runner behind the line.

I saw the box score after I posted Sat eve. Even when you take out the lost yardage for QB sacks, not good.  MSJ deserves some credit. Their defensive was stout and they played hard all game.  At this point in the season however, FC is not looking like a formidable playoff opponent.  Lot of football left and time to right the ship.  The FC defense is carrying more of the load right now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 03, 2011, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
SaintsFAN:

I PM'd you earlier this week.  Check your PM.  Hope you are doing well and enjoy the weekend.

Best of luck to everyone's HCAC teams this weekend.  Nice synopsis FCGG!  Safe travels everyone.

Sorry  --- didn't see it until this morning.  I'll be replying shortly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 03, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 02, 2011, 11:14:39 AM
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Eubanks stepped up huge for Hanover catching a few tough passes, and Robinette was his usual reliable self, with one exceptional play where he caught the ball in some traffic, and then outran the DBs for the TD.
...
On a personal note, it was good to meet panthersfan and family before the game.  Looking forward to our next tailgate extravaganza later in October.

It was a pleasure meeting you.  Hope to see you Richmond this weekend.

Eubanks gets better with every game it seems and Robinette is having a great senior year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 05, 2011, 06:21:00 AM
Something I've noticed... there's a lot of teams having to play Franklin and Mt St Joseph in back to back games. That seems kind of rough.

Bluffton played Franklin then MSJ (lost both)
Defiance played Franklin had a bye then plays MSJ this week
Rose-Hulman plays Franklin this week then MSJ
Earlham plays MSJ has a bye then Franklin
Hanover plays MSJ then Franklin to end the year
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 05, 2011, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 05, 2011, 06:21:00 AM
Something I've noticed... there's a lot of teams having to play Franklin and Mt St Joseph in back to back games. That seems kind of rough.

Bluffton played Franklin then MSJ (lost both)
Defiance played Franklin had a bye then plays MSJ this week
Rose-Hulman plays Franklin this week then MSJ
Earlham plays MSJ has a bye then Franklin
Hanover plays MSJ then Franklin to end the year

I would guess the league has some sort of "formula" for devising the schedule (#1 plays #2, #2 plays #4 and so on), and it just turned out that several have the back to back games.  It was noted earlier that there isn't much drama left for late in the season with the exception of Hanover playing at MSJ and then Franklin at Home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?

I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 06, 2011, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?

I do know they are very liberal there... FWIW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 06, 2011, 02:34:18 PM
Went through that at Manchester last year (I was a greenhorn).  Found a spot and cracked open a cold one.  Campus guard came at me like I was waving a pistol around. I'll find a way   ;)


Quote from: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 07, 2011, 06:00:03 AM
Could be some competitive games this weekend.

Franklin @ Rose-Hulman: A battle between the last two unbeatens in the conference. Franklin has been the team to beat the past few years while Rose has done well but unable to beat the top teams. Franklin hasn't shown the dominance of the past and if Rose can take advantage they can finally take that next step.

Bluffton @ Manchester: Two teams expected to be toward the bottom but have been somewhat competitive (2-3 TD) against better teams. Both have a win over Earlham, and this could be their final chance at a win this season barring an upset.

Hanover @ Earlham: Hanover continues their stretch through the lower teams of the conference. They shouldn't have a problem handling Earlham and their 15 game losing streak... but you never know how the ball will bounce.

Defiance @ Mt St Joseph: What looked like a big game before the season isn't quite as big now. Defiance has struggled and are staring at going 0 for the first half of the season. MSJ meanwhile needs to win out and show dominance to have any hope at an at large bid (assuming they don't get some help and win the conference). Who will come out with more urgency to win?

Anderson hasn't had a great first half at 1-4 but they get the week off and will look ahead to a winnable game at Bluffton next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 07, 2011, 07:10:49 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 06, 2011, 02:34:18 PM
Went through that at Manchester last year (I was a greenhorn).  Found a spot and cracked open a cold one.  Campus guard came at me like I was waving a pistol around. I'll find a way   ;)


Quote from: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!

keep it in a cup works for our group regardless of the religious rules in the lot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 07, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?

I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!

Did they change something up at Manchester, never had any problem at the football games drinking out of the can or bottle? The only place I was asked to pour mine out of a can was at MSJ walking from the parking structure to the field even though the MSJ fans were drinking out of a keg right beside me.

Just like Griz-Backer said keeping it in a cup is the best idea, that is what got me through four years of baseball at all the schools.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 07, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 07, 2011, 06:00:03 AM
Could be some competitive games this weekend.

Franklin @ Rose-Hulman: A battle between the last two unbeatens in the conference. Franklin has been the team to beat the past few years while Rose has done well but unable to beat the top teams. Franklin hasn't shown the dominance of the past and if Rose can take advantage they can finally take that next step.

Bluffton @ Manchester: Two teams expected to be toward the bottom but have been somewhat competitive (2-3 TD) against better teams. Both have a win over Earlham, and this could be their final chance at a win this season barring an upset.

Hanover @ Earlham: Hanover continues their stretch through the lower teams of the conference. They shouldn't have a problem handling Earlham and their 15 game losing streak... but you never know how the ball will bounce.

Defiance @ Mt St Joseph: What looked like a big game before the season isn't quite as big now. Defiance has struggled and are staring at going 0 for the first half of the season. MSJ meanwhile needs to win out and show dominance to have any hope at an at large bid (assuming they don't get some help and win the conference). Who will come out with more urgency to win?

Anderson hasn't had a great first half at 1-4 but they get the week off and will look ahead to a winnable game at Bluffton next week.

The Franklin - Rose game is most interesting this week.  Rose jumped out to a 24 - 0 lead before Hanover remembered they were supposed to be playing football, and that gave Rose all kinds of different options on D that they might not have had otherwise.  I think the Panthers ended up with 43 net yards on the ground.

Good luck to both teams.  This game could decide the conference champion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 07, 2011, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)

You bring up a good point. I guess the best answer would be "Do as they say not as I do". ;D You really know how to make a guy feel bad don't you. :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2011, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 07, 2011, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)

You bring up a good point. I guess the best answer would be "Do as they say not as I do". ;D You really know how to make a guy feel bad don't you. :-[

"when in Rome..." .... "yes, go ahead"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2011, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 07, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?

I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!

Did they change something up at Manchester, never had any problem at the football games drinking out of the can or bottle? The only place I was asked to pour mine out of a can was at MSJ walking from the parking structure to the field even though the MSJ fans were drinking out of a keg right beside me.

Just like Griz-Backer said keeping it in a cup is the best idea, that is what got me through four years of baseball at all the schools.

MSJ does that to teams who are better than they are  ;)  JK, JK... but there is a way around it if you park in the neighborhood --- lets just say the Bridge Bowl is SRO
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2011, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 07, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?

I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!

Did they change something up at Manchester, never had any problem at the football games drinking out of the can or bottle? The only place I was asked to pour mine out of a can was at MSJ walking from the parking structure to the field even though the MSJ fans were drinking out of a keg right beside me.

Just like Griz-Backer said keeping it in a cup is the best idea, that is what got me through four years of baseball at all the schools.

MSJ does that to teams who are better than they are  ;)  JK, JK... but there is a way around it if you park in the neighborhood --- lets just say the Bridge Bowl is SRO
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 07, 2011, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)

You bring up a good point. I guess the best answer would be "Do as they say not as I do". ;D You really know how to make a guy feel bad don't you. :-[

KYGrizzly: Sorry, not intending to embarrass you or anyone! ;D  Just trying to "keep us all above board" so to speak! :) ;) :D  Plenty of opportunities to go "imbibe" after the game at one of the local "watering holes" for those who wish to partake of some refreshment!

SaintsFAN:  You would have to pose that temptation to us now, wouldn't you?!!! ;D :) 


Anyway, good luck to your teams this weekend you guys and have a safe and fun weekend!


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 08, 2011, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)

We bring our libations regardless of rules.  If there are rules we pour it in a cup, if there aren't we don't. I can only speak for myself but I really don't care about the "rules" as the "rules" are generally based on some sort of religious platform and have nothing to do with grilling, eating, and full enjoyment of college football. I really don't think that God cares if I enjoy a few Coors Lights in the lot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 08, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 07, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 07, 2011, 06:00:03 AM
Could be some competitive games this weekend.

Franklin @ Rose-Hulman: A battle between the last two unbeatens in the conference. Franklin has been the team to beat the past few years while Rose has done well but unable to beat the top teams. Franklin hasn't shown the dominance of the past and if Rose can take advantage they can finally take that next step.

Bluffton @ Manchester: Two teams expected to be toward the bottom but have been somewhat competitive (2-3 TD) against better teams. Both have a win over Earlham, and this could be their final chance at a win this season barring an upset.

Hanover @ Earlham: Hanover continues their stretch through the lower teams of the conference. They shouldn't have a problem handling Earlham and their 15 game losing streak... but you never know how the ball will bounce.

Defiance @ Mt St Joseph: What looked like a big game before the season isn't quite as big now. Defiance has struggled and are staring at going 0 for the first half of the season. MSJ meanwhile needs to win out and show dominance to have any hope at an at large bid (assuming they don't get some help and win the conference). Who will come out with more urgency to win?

Anderson hasn't had a great first half at 1-4 but they get the week off and will look ahead to a winnable game at Bluffton next week.

The Franklin - Rose game is most interesting this week.  Rose jumped out to a 24 - 0 lead before Hanover remembered they were supposed to be playing football, and that gave Rose all kinds of different options on D that they might not have had otherwise.  I think the Panthers ended up with 43 net yards on the ground.

Good luck to both teams.  This game could decide the conference champion.

Just got back from the Franklin Rose Hulman tilt in Terre Haute.  Nice drive on US 40 across west central Indiana (awesome foilage).  Rose has a really nice campus and field (bermuda grass installed for the Colts training camps).  Franklin blasted Rose today  55-10 with 11 minutes to go when Coach Leonard called off the dogs.  The lone touchdown against the first team came as a result of poor field position (FC started from the one and went three and out).  The two other touchdowns came in the last 5-6 minutes against the third string (Rose continued to play the starting QB and RB).  Jonny West had 306 yards at the half (35-10 at that point).  FC looked good today and the defense really laid the wood.  Running game still a bit suspect.  Overall a an enjoyable afternoon with high 70's and sunshine.  Homecoming next week against the Spartans from North Manchester, IN.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 09, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
Congratulations to Defiance on the win against MSJ. Nice to see the Yellowjackets break the win column and knocking MSJ back another notch makes it even better.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 09, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
Nice to see Jonny West put together a nice game without many mistakes this week for Franklin. As Backer said, running game is still a trouble spot.

Congrats to Defiance for finally getting in the win column. Now everyone except for Earlham has a win this season (and honestly I don't see them getting one with the schedule they have left)

The way I see things, there's three teams with any hope of winning the conference.
Franklin obviously just needs to win out and the only game they should have a challenge is @ Hanover to finish.
Hanover needs to win out including their final 2 @ MSJ and vs Franklin to be in a tie with FC (and have the tiebreaker).
Rose needs to win out including this week vs MSJ and have Hanover beat Franklin to get in a 3 way tie (and I have no idea how the tiebreaker would go).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 10, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
Nice to see DC get the first W this season!  They could very well win out the remainder of the their schedule if they can play mistake free football and not keep their opponents in the games ahead.  They only thing I can do to accept DC's 0-4 start is that those teams are 18-5 so far.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 10, 2011, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 08, 2011, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)

We bring our libations regardless of rules.  If there are rules we pour it in a cup, if there aren't we don't. I can only speak for myself but I really don't care about the "rules" as the "rules" are generally based on some sort of religious platform and have nothing to do with grilling, eating, and full enjoyment of college football. I really don't think that God cares if I enjoy a few Coors Lights in the lot.

Only obey good rules.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 10, 2011, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 10, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
Nice to see DC get the first W this season! ..

Definitely a big win for DC.  On the road no less.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 08, 2011, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Griz_Backer, KYGrizzly:

I have a question for you (and this is hypothetical, so please don't get mad at me :)): If you knew that it i.e. alchoholic beverages was prohibited, why would you wantonly/blatently disregard that rule/law even by "putting it in a cup"?  I'm sure there are many people who disagree with such rules, however, they, you, or I don't make them (the rules), but you are suggesting it is okay to ignore the policy if it were in place? ???  Just curious. :)

We bring our libations regardless of rules.  If there are rules we pour it in a cup, if there aren't we don't. I can only speak for myself but I really don't care about the "rules" as the "rules" are generally based on some sort of religious platform and have nothing to do with grilling, eating, and full enjoyment of college football. I really don't think that God cares if I enjoy a few Coors Lights in the lot.

GRIZ_BACKER:

I am disappointed to hear you say that (I hope you are joking, however, I sense that you are not) :o.  From your posted comments, you seem to be someone who has a blatent disregard for any rules.  If we all did that, i.e. disobeyed rules we disagreed with, it would be caos.  Actually, there is a word for that - it's called anarchy. :D  I agree with you that I don't think God cares about if you/we have a "few", however, I do believe He does care about the way you/we do it.  May I offer that you might want to read Colossians Chpts 3 and 4 and also Matthew 22:17 (the latter is talking about taxes, but it really extends beyond that - there are other references regarding following rules and government, but I won't bore you and our colleagues here with those - you all know them and what I'm talking about).  Anyway, if you get caught "with the open cup" and have to pay the consequences wherever, then you get what you deserve.  Please don't do that and respect the rules of the colleges you visit, including your own.  Just MO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
After today's biblical based post related to libations on a dry campus "smite" is a good term for receiving negative karma. Lol  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 10, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
From what I witnessed on Saturday...  Earlham's game day environment did very little to bolster their "rules." The tailgating and home crowd turn out was dreadful.  I'd hate to be their recruiting coordinator on game day visits.

Visiting somewhere like Franklin, Rose Hulman, Anderson, etc. vs Earlham this past Saturday....  Quite the contrast.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2011, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 10, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
Nice to see DC get the first W this season!  They could very well win out the remainder of the their schedule if they can play mistake free football and not keep their opponents in the games ahead.  They only thing I can do to accept DC's 0-4 start is that those teams are 18-5 so far.

Just think, those teams would be 14-9 if they didn't play that Yellow Hornet team from NW Ohio !!!!!!   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 10, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 09, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
Nice to see Jonny West put together a nice game without many mistakes this week for Franklin. As Backer said, running game is still a trouble spot.

Congrats to Defiance for finally getting in the win column. Now everyone except for Earlham has a win this season (and honestly I don't see them getting one with the schedule they have left)

The way I see things, there's three teams with any hope of winning the conference.
Franklin obviously just needs to win out and the only game they should have a challenge is @ Hanover to finish.
Hanover needs to win out including their final 2 @ MSJ and vs Franklin to be in a tie with FC (and have the tiebreaker).
Rose needs to win out including this week vs MSJ and have Hanover beat Franklin to get in a 3 way tie (and I have no idea how the tiebreaker would go).

Here is the HCAC Tie-Breaker scenario:

1. Which team won in their head to head competition?

2. How the tied teams fared against next team in conference standings.  Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken.

3. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you defeated.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

4. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you lost to.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

5. Total winning percentage by non-conference opponents.

6. The team which has not gone to the NCAA Football Playoffs for the longest period of time (Big 10 Rose Bowl Rule).

7. Rankings from the AFCA Division III National Poll.

8. Blind Draw.  One lot shall be marked AQ and all others will be blank.  The draw will be conducted by the conference Commissioner and SID at the Heartland Conference Office.  The draw will be made in alphabetical order of the tied schools.  A coach or representative from each school involved may attend the drawing
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
After today's biblical based post related to libations on a dry campus "smite" is a good term for receiving negative karma. Lol  ;)

You were the one that "opened that door" by bringing up the "religious" aspect (reference to our Good Lord) and the miscreant breaking of rules i.e. bringing your libations and putting them in a cup if there are rules prohibiting it.  That was my point. :P ;D LOL (lots of love) back to you. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 10, 2011, 06:10:50 PM
SaintsFan, I can only love to hate your comments against my beloved school ;)

I wanted to add that we need to get back to talking about football instead of drinking and god. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 07:06:52 PM
dc_has_been:

I agree.  Yet, talk about tailgaiting, campus activites, academic courses, etc., etc., is part of the football college scene and when some people bring such topics up, it is appropriate to discuss those (and respond ;D), to a degree, of course.  Such discussions, can run their course, and, again, I agree with you, this one (this time) has. :)  So back to football, it is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
Agreed Let's chat about the Grizzlies?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
Agreed Let's chat about the Grizzlies?

So GRIZ_BACKER; do you see your Franklin team as having more than a good chance at "running the table" for the rest of the season?  IMO, except for that last game at Hanover, which I think Franklin can win, I think FC can win the title if they don't get lax and slip up either against Hanover or before i.e. if they don't fall into taking those other teams lightly.  On paper, it appears to be more than a decent chance, but as we all know, anything can happen each Saturday and you have to take and play one game at a time.  Looking ahead more than one game can be (usually is) lethal. :) ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
Unless FC falls apart running the table is more than likely.  However getting the run game in order is the biggest issue now.  FC still has a shot at a home playoff game if the cards fall right. FC needs bash to lose and Wheaton to beat NC.  Lot of young guys this year as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Well, we'll see what happens.  I know what you mean about the run game.  Hope needed to get that going this year and after a poor first game start, our running game has been quite good in recent games.  Aside from those aspects you mentioned, another key is staying healthy.  No doubt (although this obviously applies to both sides of the line i.e. both offense and defense), for the offensive guys, particularly the linemen, if any of them sustain injury, that could immediately derail the run game (even though we have good running backs).  At least I see that as being a factor for us if that should occur (hopefully, not for you or us; no pun intended. ;)) Overall, I think your FC has a better chance at winning your league title than we do ours, however, I hope we do.  It will take a tough, monumental effort by our team, yet, they are not incapable of doing it if they stay focused (and perhaps with a little luck too, please?!! :D).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2011, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: KYGrizzly on October 10, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 09, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
Nice to see Jonny West put together a nice game without many mistakes this week for Franklin. As Backer said, running game is still a trouble spot.

Congrats to Defiance for finally getting in the win column. Now everyone except for Earlham has a win this season (and honestly I don't see them getting one with the schedule they have left)

The way I see things, there's three teams with any hope of winning the conference.
Franklin obviously just needs to win out and the only game they should have a challenge is @ Hanover to finish.
Hanover needs to win out including their final 2 @ MSJ and vs Franklin to be in a tie with FC (and have the tiebreaker).
Rose needs to win out including this week vs MSJ and have Hanover beat Franklin to get in a 3 way tie (and I have no idea how the tiebreaker would go).

Here is the HCAC Tie-Breaker scenario:

1. Which team won in their head to head competition?

2. How the tied teams fared against next team in conference standings.  Continue down in the conference standings until the tie is broken.

3. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you defeated.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

4. Number of conference wins by the conference opponents you lost to.  Team whose opponents had the highest number of wins breaks the tie.

5. Total winning percentage by non-conference opponents.

6. The team which has not gone to the NCAA Football Playoffs for the longest period of time (Big 10 Rose Bowl Rule).

7. Rankings from the AFCA Division III National Poll.

8. Blind Draw.  One lot shall be marked AQ and all others will be blank.  The draw will be conducted by the conference Commissioner and SID at the Heartland Conference Office.  The draw will be made in alphabetical order of the tied schools.  A coach or representative from each school involved may attend the drawing

So if it's a 3 way tie then we have to go down to tiebreaker #5 and currently Rose's non conference opponents are 4-6... Hanover's are 9-0... Franklin's are 5-5 (if you include non D3 Valpo who is 0-5... do we know if we include them [I obviously hope the answer is we don't but I don't think that's true])
Which means unless those nonconference teams suddenly change their records around, Hanover or Franklin would be in if they win out and Rose has almost no chance of getting in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 11, 2011, 01:52:19 PM
QuoteSo if it's a 3 way tie then we have to go down to tiebreaker #5 and currently Rose's non conference opponents are 4-6... Hanover's are 9-0... Franklin's are 5-5 (if you include non D3 Valpo who is 0-5... do we know if we include them [I obviously hope the answer is we don't but I don't think that's true])
Which means unless those nonconference teams suddenly change their records around, Hanover or Franklin would be in if they win out and Rose has almost no chance of getting in.

MSJ has the chance to play spoiler twice.  This week at Rose, and November 5th at home vs. Hanover.  I'm sure the loss to Defiance at home this weekend was disappointing, but the chance to end someone else's title hopes has to be a motivator.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 11, 2011, 02:28:43 PM
Rob Taylor resigns; Nate Jensen new interim head coach
http://www.defianceathletics.com/football/news/67/1715/ (http://www.defianceathletics.com/football/news/67/1715/)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 11, 2011, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 10, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
Agreed Let's chat about the Grizzlies?

who's that??  I would say talk to me after you beat Defiance, but I think Sister's of the Poor has even kicked them in the mouth this year !!  (good enough, has_been????)

Big shoes to fill after piling up 38 victories in 9 seasons..  I'd say they are neatly stacked.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 11, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
Piled up. Great phrase. His record is like a pile up on the freeway. In other words, a big wreck. Better that The Turk arriveth late than never.

'Bout dang time.

To lift a line from Poe: "Quoth the raven, 'Nevermore.'"

Computer down. Doing this from my iPhone. I'll join y'all on the boards tomorrow or Thursday when my pc is fixed. I hate this hunt and peck crap on my iPhone. Dang arthritic, bratwurst-sized fingers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2011, 04:09:21 PM
I assumed (speculated to myself) that Taylor most likely might have resigned anyway at the conclusion of this season, based on how it was going and induding recent years.  However, I am somewhat surprised he chose now to step down.  there is no indication or info presented publically to suggest that he was either asked to resign or if it was simply his own decision to do so (could be either way I suspect).  I'm not sure what effect a change will do right now.  Obviously, nothing against the interim coach Jensen at all, as I'm sure he is a good coach.  For sure, there will be some who will say that it is possible a change right now will provide that boost of attitude and energy needed to salvage something from this season.  Yet, while that can occur and in theory is a legit idea, it is also just as likely not to occur.  Why not just finish out the season and then resign immediately after its conclusion?  I think that is just as legit, yet, at the same time, everyone has to make their own decisions in such situations.  What are your own opinions on this everyone?   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 12, 2011, 10:10:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFCgAhZEO8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFCgAhZEO8&feature=related)

Honestly believed "change" would have happened sooner than it did, but also thought JacketsFan would be more vociferous and creative with the "pile" redundancy as well.  ;) Your python boots too tight, oh purveyor of journalistic prose?   ;D

"I told them right then, Fido said, It's easy to see the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 12, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
I was blown away when I was contacted by one of the old teammates about Taylor resigning and tried to come up with some conclusions on why he would do it in the middle of the season.  IMO knowing Coach Taylor for over 15+ years it is out of character to step down at this point of the season.  Whether it is new opportunity or some sort of difference between I am very shocked by this.
In regards to Jensen, I think he'll do a fine job for the remainder of the season.  He's young and does a fine job relating to the players.  The team will need to jump on board and get ready to follow their new leader to battle.  Go Jackets!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 12, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 06, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 05, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Shaping up to be a nice weekend for football.  From what I'm reading Earlham is a dry campus (even for tailgating).  Can anyone confirm that?

I tried doing a little research to answer the dry campus question, but came up blank.  I believe that Earlham is a Quaker institution, so whatever goes along with that may determine what goes for tailgating.  Probably best to have your special pe-game beverages in a plastic cup just to be on the safe side.  Weather still looking to be awesome for football, so it should be a great day all around.

See you Saturday!

According to the Earlham Student Handbook:

"The College prohibits the use of alcohol at all College-sponsored student events, and on campus grounds, defined as College-owned property and facilities, and including College-owned student housing, but excluding private residences."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 12, 2011, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 11, 2011, 04:09:21 PM
...  What are your own opinions on this everyone?

Reading the athletic director's press release I believe he was kindly given the chance to remove himself.  I do find the timing of it a little strange. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 12, 2011, 11:18:36 PM
College presidents need to stay out of the athletic department...when they do and coaches have authority teams get good. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 13, 2011, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 12, 2011, 11:18:36 PM
College presidents need to stay out of the athletic department...when they do and coaches have authority teams get good.

not to be taken out of context with what is going on at DC becuse I dont know but just in general observation with the change going on.  90's DC had a very supportive President and we had some good programs especially in the early 90's and into early 2000's but had a president change and he was a prick and handcuffed the program and the coach leaves and it goes into decline from the 2000/2001 years.  im not sure about this president but something has to be going on for Taylor to leave mid-season...there is something about a guy that still rocks the 1980 Tom selleck mustache that i dont trust.  a supportive President makes all the difference and an unsupportive one can decline a program quickly. 

Jensen will do good the rest of the year, it was good to see the intensity returned for the MSJ game and hopefully DC plays with a Chip on their shoulder the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 13, 2011, 11:44:37 AM
Quote...there is something about a guy that still rocks the 1980 Tom selleck mustache that i dont trust.

Process of age - when the pate pales, it's better to have a hairy lip to distract from hairy ears.   ;D
Experigentia docet.

Hit me with the home addy and I'll offer a bit more history from the 80's and early 90's.  Finally off the post-surgical painkillers and antibiotics so a response might make sense; operative word "might."  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2011, 08:00:25 AM
It's time for some more conference games...

Mount St Joseph @ Rose-Hulman: Has to be the game of the week. MSJ is out of the title hunt but is still a good team and can play spoiler against Rose who is clinging to a slim chance at being champs. Who will bounce back after losing last week?

Manchester @ Franklin: Franklin begins a 3 game stretch of teams they should beat. Manchester has played tough all season, the largest margin in any game is 11 against Trine. I just don't see Manchester keeping this one close though.

Anderson @ Bluffton: While nothing significant is on the line between these two, I think they could be battling for bottom half supremacy. Could be an interesting and close game.

Earlham @ Defiance: Earlham is now at 16 straight losses and it doesn't get any better this week. Defiance finally got in the win column last week with a big win at MSJ and can show that they're better than their 0-4 start by putting up a big game against the Quakers.

Hanover gets the week off in the middle of their "brutal" 4 game stretch ::) They'll be back next week hosting Manchester.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 15, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2011, 08:00:25 AMI just don't see Manchester keeping this one close though.
Somebody needed to QFP.  When Manchester was driving with 6 minutes in the game, I can only imagine what was going through Griz's head.

QuoteEarlham @ Defiance: Earlham is now at 16 straight losses and it doesn't get any better this week. Defiance finally got in the win column last week with a big win at MSJ and can show that they're better than their 0-4 start by putting up a big game against the Quakers.
Closer than it should have been probably.  Mostly, I came here to give the Quaker kicking game some props.  In the first quarter, Levi Simpson punted about 50 yards in the air and then it bounced another 25 yards and into the endzone...a 75 yard punt.  Later in the same quarter, Ryan Acosta kicked a 54 yard field goal.  Yes, it was with a stiff wind, but it was still impressive that it was on target.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2011, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: altor on October 15, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Somebody needed to QFP.  When Manchester was driving with 6 minutes in the game, I can only imagine what was going through Griz's head.
They're making me more and more nervous every game. They're still finding a way to win, but they're making far too many mistakes. Too many turnovers... poor rushing attack... one of these games it's going to bite them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 16, 2011, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2011, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: altor on October 15, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Somebody needed to QFP.  When Manchester was driving with 6 minutes in the game, I can only imagine what was going through Griz's head.
They're making me more and more nervous every game. They're still finding a way to win, but they're making far too many mistakes. Too many turnovers... poor rushing attack... one of these games it's going to bite them.

I tuned in late in the afternoon to "watch" via live stats, and was shocked when I saw the score.  Had to refresh the page to make sure it wasn't fouled up.

Is Manchester better than their record would suggest, or did Franklin maybe take them lightly this week, or is there some other reason for the narrower-than-expected margin?

I have been told that the Spartans eat up every bit of play clock each play, which might account for the time of possession advantage, if in fact that is the case.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 16, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
That was Manchester's largest defeat of the season so they've managed to keep games close even though they've not won many.
Franklin just couldn't score down in the red zone... I think the yardage was around 280-80 at halftime in favor of the Grizzlies but the score was just 14-7 which included a fumble return for a TD by Franklin. It could easily have been a rout had Franklin been able to finish drives.
You'd think they'd be able to win their next two against Anderson and Earlham but anything can happen with they way they've been playing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 16, 2011, 11:47:33 AM
FC is also dealing with some injury issues resulting in new players getting extended minutes.  FC lost two key starters for the season in practice this week.  Another starting OL is out till Hanover.  FC also has a starting LB out last two games with a concussion.  Sloppy game by the offense for sure.  But a win is a win and the GRIZ move on.  Having a bye week will certainly help a few guys get healthy and the new guys more time to practice with the first unit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 17, 2011, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 16, 2011, 09:36:30 AM
...
Is Manchester better than their record would suggest, or did Franklin maybe take them lightly this week, or is there some other reason for the narrower-than-expected margin?
...

I think Manchester is a decent team - They've lost a few relatively close games.  They must have a decent def front because they held FC to 80 yards on 28 attempts.  Their pass D seems to be the chink in their armor. The Griz was able to air it out when they needed to.  If Manchester had converted that 4th and 5 it might have gotten very interesting. 

Rose and MSJ was a really good game.  Turnovers by MSJ seems to be the story in that one.

Will be curious to how Hanover comes out of the gate after a week off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 17, 2011, 01:58:36 PM
Congrats to Coach Jensen getting his first as a head coach, if DC plays to their potential he can go do as one of the winningest coaches in DC history % wise at years end!!

also big congrats to Coach Sokol at RHIT nice win over MSJ bouncing back from the Franklin Game.  RHIT has the ability to winout and put a little pressure on Franklin to winout
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2011, 05:48:13 PM
Yes, 70_dc_alum, that has to be a huge positive (and weight off the back) for Jensen and DC.  As you say, it will now remain to be seen if they can continue/capitalize on that positive boost.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 19, 2011, 08:17:25 PM
I'm hoping DC stays hungry and wins out.  I was very proud to see that the players didn't allow the distractions get to them and I second the congrats to Coach Jensen!  Great to see the young coach get his first college victory! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DC7 on October 19, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
I just don't understand why nobody knows what happend with Taylor!? According to Taylor, this president was 100% for sports especially football! :o  I heard this was the strongest President backing in a very long time!!! He was pushing for tur, at the stadium, etc!

Something is not adding up!!!!!! Yes Taylor was struggling this year but a dismissal in the middle of the year, with many winnable games on the schedule to come?  You kidding me?  Coach Taylor would be the last to just up and quit!!!!   :o

As alumni...... we deserve to know and more importantly we deserve to have this job opened up at the end of the season! Nothing against the current interm-coach, he has very opportunity to to prove himself but with the facility's that are  up and coming and the huge numbers of players in the program, it should draw some quality candidates!  We need to get back to the domination of DC football that occured in the early 90's! :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 20, 2011, 09:20:34 AM
Quote from: DC7 on October 19, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
I just don't understand why nobody knows what happend with Taylor!? According to Taylor, this president was 100% for sports especially football! :o  I heard this was the strongest President backing in a very long time!!! He was pushing for tur, at the stadium, etc!

Something is not adding up!!!!!! Yes Taylor was struggling this year but a dismissal in the middle of the year, with many winnable games on the schedule to come?  You kidding me?  Coach Taylor would be the last to just up and quit!!!!   :o

As alumni...... we deserve to know and more importantly we deserve to have this job opened up at the end of the season! Nothing against the current interm-coach, he has very opportunity to to prove himself but with the facility's that are  up and coming and the huge numbers of players in the program, it should draw some quality candidates!  We need to get back to the domination of DC football that occured in the early 90's! :D

First, let me say that I know nothing of Coach Taylor's departure other than what I have read here. 

Having said that, and having seen this scenario in other programs, the lack of public information is by design.  There just isn't anything to be gained for anyone by dragging the issue into the court of public opinion.  A change was made, and the program is moving on.  Good luck to the coach, as he appears to be a good man and has given a lot to the DC program.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DC7 on October 20, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
If what I hear is true, it looks like Coach Taylor and DC have agreed to disagree! Out of all do respect I won't go into details..................here are my thoughts.

I have been a coach for fifteen years, four of those years at a university and four as the head man at a High School. As a coach......... there are times when you have to stand up for what you believe and stand strong in the manner that you run your program, if you don't..... you will never have control of your program or more importantly the respect of your players!

As  a wise man once said:   
"If you don't stand for something................your fall for anything!"

It seems Coach Taylor made his stand!  I wish he and his family all the best and look forward to seeing him coach in the future! Good Luck Coach Jensen and DC Football............. finish strong!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: DC7 on October 19, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
We need to get back to the domination of DC football that occured in the early 90's! :D

I'm going to admit to not believing this and having to look up the records from the early 90s.. I didn't know Defiance had gone 9-1 twice (1992, 1993)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 20, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: DC7 on October 20, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
...  As a coach......... there are times when you have to stand up for what you believe and stand strong in the manner that you run your program, if you don't..... you will never have control of your program or more importantly the respect of your players!
...

Couldn't agree more, well said

Looks to be a good Saturday weather-wise.  Looking forward to some football after a bye week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DC7 on October 20, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
From 1990-1993 DC was 33-7. In 1993 we ranked 7th in the country, but fell after losing on the famous blocked FG, return by TM!  Offense in 1993 ranked 7th in scoring offense averaging 43. 7 points a game.  :D

In 1992 the defense ranked #2  in total defense in the country only allowing 185 yards a game, including  a stingy 57 yards a game rushing! 8-)

Ranked 5th twice in the north region twice!  Back then... only the top 4 in each region went to the play-offs a total of 16!!!!   Not a day goes by that I don't think about missing the play-offs. :-\

I know this because...............I was there, ;) I was a starter in the defensive backfield for four year!  Those were the days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2011, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: DC7 on October 20, 2011, 12:16:37 PM


Ranked 5th twice in the north region twice!  Back then... only the top 4 in each region went to the play-offs a total of 16!!!!   Not a day goes by that I don't think about missing the play-offs. :-\


That happened to TMC in 1995.  Best team I was ever a part of... would've done some big-time damage in the tourney that year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2011, 04:20:05 PM
After having coffee with the President of DC last year he seemed to come off pro sports in general at DC.  I understood especially the importance of having a strong sports program, especially football, to improve school culture. 
With that said, I do not know whether you knows the philosophy of football and what goes into it to make it successful. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 21, 2011, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: DC7 on October 19, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
We need to get back to the domination of DC football that occured in the early 90's! :D

I'm going to admit to not believing this and having to look up the records from the early 90s.. I didn't know Defiance had gone 9-1 twice (1992, 1993)

Kevin I call BS on you not knowing since you like to remind me about the 1 was always TMC and the AMC championship!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2011, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 21, 2011, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: DC7 on October 19, 2011, 09:05:53 PM
We need to get back to the domination of DC football that occured in the early 90's! :D

I'm going to admit to not believing this and having to look up the records from the early 90s.. I didn't know Defiance had gone 9-1 twice (1992, 1993)

Kevin I call BS on you not knowing since you like to remind me about the 1 was always TMC and the AMC championship!!

I kinda remember hearing you guys were ranked at one point in 93... but 9-1, no sir.  Did Defiance ever win the AMC :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2011, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2011, 04:20:05 PM
After having coffee with the President of DC last year he seemed to come off pro sports in general at DC. 

Defiance needs to follow in Ohio State's footsteps and find better players to pay ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2011, 12:57:38 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton: Rose has to win out to keep their slim hopes of winning the conference alive. Bluffton hasn't won more than 3 conference games since 2001. Could be a tight game.

Defiance @ Anderson: After their terrible start, Defiance can still match last year's record if they continue to win. Anderson begins a tough 3 game stretch still looking for their 2nd win.

Earlham @ Mount St. Joseph: Earlham is now 0-17 since joining the HCAC and with their tough final 3 games could very well hit 0-20. MSJ needed this game after losing 3 straight. All they can do now is play spoiler later against Hanover and then their big game against Thomas More.

Manchester @ Hanover: After almost taking down Franklin last week, will Manchester do it against Hanover or have a let down? Hanover continues to have their destiny in their own hands with 4 more wins should get the conference title.

Franklin has the week off after the close call against Manchester. They get to heal up and prepare for the final 3 games and potentially the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
Nice win for Bluffton yesterday. Hopefully they'll continue their improvement in the next few seasons.
With Rose losing, that takes tiebreaker pressure off of Franklin. Now if they lose one of their next two and beat Hanover they'll still have sole possession of the conference.
If Hanover loses to either Bluffton or MSJ and Franklin gets by Anderson and Earlham, then Franklin will have locked up the title before the Bell game.
If Franklin and Hanover both get a loss in one of their next two then Hanover beats Franklin... I don't even want to think about the tiebreaker possibilities. I think the largest I can come up with is a 4 way tie with Franklin, Hanover, Bluffton, and Rose-Hulman.

Can we just hurry up and play the next three weeks of games this week so we can settle things?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 23, 2011, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2011, 12:57:38 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton: Rose has to win out to keep their slim hopes of winning the conference alive. Bluffton hasn't won more than 3 conference games since 2001. Could be a tight game.

Defiance @ Anderson: After their terrible start, Defiance can still match last year's record if they continue to win. Anderson begins a tough 3 game stretch still looking for their 2nd win.

Earlham @ Mount St. Joseph: Earlham is now 0-17 since joining the HCAC and with their tough final 3 games could very well hit 0-20. MSJ needed this game after losing 3 straight. All they can do now is play spoiler later against Hanover and then their big game against Thomas More.

Manchester @ Hanover: After almost taking down Franklin last week, will Manchester do it against Hanover or have a let down? Hanover continues to have their destiny in their own hands with 4 more wins should get the conference title.

Franklin has the week off after the close call against Manchester. They get to heal up and prepare for the final 3 games and potentially the playoffs.

Manchester's big game against Franklin last week had me concerned coming into this game. A few series into it showed the Hanover D came to play.  Manchester's total yardage for the day was a little over 100.

The D seems to be really hitting their stride, but the last two games (Earlham and Manchester) aren't exactly the best gauge of progress.  With Bluffton's big win at home against Rose, this week proves to be a bigger test for the Panthers on both sides of the ball.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 23, 2011, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
Nice win for Bluffton yesterday. Hopefully they'll continue their improvement in the next few seasons.
With Rose losing, that takes tiebreaker pressure off of Franklin. Now if they lose one of their next two and beat Hanover they'll still have sole possession of the conference.
If Hanover loses to either Bluffton or MSJ and Franklin gets by Anderson and Earlham, then Franklin will have locked up the title before the Bell game.
If Franklin and Hanover both get a loss in one of their next two then Hanover beats Franklin... I don't even want to think about the tiebreaker possibilities. I think the largest I can come up with is a 4 way tie with Franklin, Hanover, Bluffton, and Rose-Hulman.

Can we just hurry up and play the next three weeks of games this week so we can settle things?

Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but if both Hanover (Bluffton at home and MSJ away) and Franklin (Anderson and Earlham) win their next two games, the final game will really mean something. 

I like that the Panthers have decent games the next two weeks, to keep them mentally prepared for Franklin.  The back to back wins over Earlham and Manchester were deceiving, so now they will have to really focus their preparation if they want to have a shot at the conference title.

The Earlham game for Franklin just before Hanover will give the Grizzlies some cushion to rest anyone who might be banged-up, so they should enter that final game ready to go.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
With the way Franklin has been playing, I'm glad we have the cushion that we can lose one of the next two. Maybe they can experiment a bit and work on rushing better and not turn it over. Hanover has the tougher schedule and can't afford to lose. I know I'll be rooting for Hanover to lose because honestly (and don't tell the Franklin people this cause I'd like to keep my diploma ;D) I think Hanover would win if they played right now instead of in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 24, 2011, 08:32:56 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
With the way Franklin has been playing, I'm glad we have the cushion that we can lose one of the next two. Maybe they can experiment a bit and work on rushing better and not turn it over. Hanover has the tougher schedule and can't afford to lose. I know I'll be rooting for Hanover to lose because honestly (and don't tell the Franklin people this cause I'd like to keep my diploma ;D) I think Hanover would win if they played right now instead of in a few weeks.

Against Anderson, outside runs/sweeps will be big gainers all day long.  They have no speed on D to the outside, and Franklin will see that on film.  As to running against Earlham, Franklin should have a lot of success there too.

No doubt, the next two weeks for Hanover are huge.  Bluffton coming off the big win at home against Rose is going to be looking to make a statement this week at Hanover.  Depending on which MSJ team shows up for that game, that one could be a dogfight.

Hopefully everyone will stay healthy, and the game on the 12th at Hanover can live up to the billing!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 24, 2011, 11:53:27 AM
The best game of the year for Hanover.  Definitely played like a team on a mission.

Hanover has a tough road to get there unscathed but if they do...  The Monon Bell game will lose some spotlight to the Victory Bell game.

First things first though...  A good Bluffton team comes to town on a winning streak and fresh off a big win over Rose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 24, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
With the way Franklin has been playing, I'm glad we have the cushion that we can lose one of the next two. Maybe they can experiment a bit and work on rushing better and not turn it over. Hanover has the tougher schedule and can't afford to lose. I know I'll be rooting for Hanover to lose because honestly (and don't tell the Franklin people this cause I'd like to keep my diploma ;D) I think Hanover would win if they played right now instead of in a few weeks.

I agree.  I am looking forward to a competitive game at season's end.  Boring football (blowouts) gets old after a while.  I am glad Hanover is getting better.  A true championship atmosphere is always fun to end the regular season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 26, 2011, 05:18:30 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 24, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
... I am looking forward to a competitive game at season's end...

So far the prospects look good for it.

If I could watch any other game this week, I think this would be it:

Defiance @ Rose-Hulman

Rose will be looking to rebound but Defiance is on a roll and will be hungry to make it 4 in a row.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 27, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 26, 2011, 05:18:30 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 24, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
... I am looking forward to a competitive game at season's end...

So far the prospects look good for it.

If I could watch any other game this week, I think this would be it:

Defiance @ Rose-Hulman

Rose will be looking to rebound but Defiance is on a roll and will be hungry to make it 4 in a row.

I agree the Defiance @ Rose game is one of the best games this weekend.  A Defiance win helps the new coach solidify his candidacy for the HC job (removing the interim title), while a Rose win gets them back on track tofinish strong in the coach's first year.

Looking like the weekennd is going to have decent weather (at least for Hanover v Bluffton).  It will be interesting to see how the Panthers come out following their last 2 wins.  No time for a letdown!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 28, 2011, 06:32:46 AM
Here's the games this week...

Bluffton @ Hanover: Bluffton with the big win last week has their best conference record since 2001. If they can win one of their last two games (which won't be easy) they can finish at .500 for the first time since 2004. Hanover meanwhile continues their push to what could be a conference championship game against Franklin as long as they continue to win.

Anderson @ Franklin: Anderson has had a disappointing season with just one win so far, but a win here would be huge. Franklin has looked vulnerable all season but have found ways to win. The Grizzlies can afford one loss in the next two games, but they'll have to get it sorted before Hanover.

Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester: MSJ's season went down the drain when they lost 3 straight, but they can still play spoiler next week against Hanover, and they'll be ready to go against Thomas More in a couple weeks. Manchester has been competitive all season until last week's drubbing by Hanover. Who will play more for pride?

Defiance @ Rose-Hulman: A battle of 3-4 teams who are 3-2 in the conference. Both teams a bit disappointed with how things have gone, Defiance starting 0-4, Rose looking like they could be a factor after beating Hanover then struggling the past few weeks. Defiance seems to have momentum coming into this game compared to Rose. Should be an interesting game.

Earlham gets the week off which means for the first time this season they will not lose. They'll try next week to break their 18 game losing streak vs Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 28, 2011, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 28, 2011, 06:32:46 AM
Here's the games this week...

Bluffton @ Hanover: Bluffton with the big win last week has their best conference record since 2001. If they can win one of their last two games (which won't be easy) they can finish at .500 for the first time since 2004. Hanover meanwhile continues their push to what could be a conference championship game against Franklin as long as they continue to win.

QuoteIf Hanover gets the Rose Hulman virus again this could be anyone's game.  Will be interesting to see if the Panthers continue to play hungry.

Anderson @ Franklin: Anderson has had a disappointing season with just one win so far, but a win here would be huge. Franklin has looked vulnerable all season but have found ways to win. The Grizzlies can afford one loss in the next two games, but they'll have to get it sorted before Hanover.

QuoteIf Anderson doesn't pin their ears back on D and protect the ball on O, this one won't be close.

Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester: MSJ's season went down the drain when they lost 3 straight, but they can still play spoiler next week against Hanover, and they'll be ready to go against Thomas More in a couple weeks. Manchester has been competitive all season until last week's drubbing by Hanover. Who will play more for pride?

QuoteMSJ will be visiting a ticked-off squad ready for some redemption but I'm not sure it will be enough for Manchester.  Definitely a big game brewing in The Queen City next week.

Defiance @ Rose-Hulman: A battle of 3-4 teams who are 3-2 in the conference. Both teams a bit disappointed with how things have gone, Defiance starting 0-4, Rose looking like they could be a factor after beating Hanover then struggling the past few weeks. Defiance seems to have momentum coming into this game compared to Rose. Should be an interesting game.

QuoteDefinitely my pick for game of the week.

Earlham gets the week off which means for the first time this season they will not lose....

QuoteI say with some guilt (cause many of us have been at varying degrees) but...  That was funny

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 28, 2011, 06:32:46 AM
Here's the games this week...

Bluffton @ Hanover: Bluffton with the big win last week has their best conference record since 2001. If they can win one of their last two games (which won't be easy) they can finish at .500 for the first time since 2004. Hanover meanwhile continues their push to what could be a conference championship game against Franklin as long as they continue to win.

Anderson @ Franklin: Anderson has had a disappointing season with just one win so far, but a win here would be huge. Franklin has looked vulnerable all season but have found ways to win. The Grizzlies can afford one loss in the next two games, but they'll have to get it sorted before Hanover.

Mount St. Joseph @ Manchester: MSJ's season went down the drain when they lost 3 straight, but they can still play spoiler next week against Hanover, and they'll be ready to go against Thomas More in a couple weeks. Manchester has been competitive all season until last week's drubbing by Hanover. Who will play more for pride?

Defiance @ Rose-Hulman: A battle of 3-4 teams who are 3-2 in the conference. Both teams a bit disappointed with how things have gone, Defiance starting 0-4, Rose looking like they could be a factor after beating Hanover then struggling the past few weeks. Defiance seems to have momentum coming into this game compared to Rose. Should be an interesting game.

Earlham gets the week off which means for the first time this season they will not lose. They'll try next week to break their 18 game losing streak vs Franklin.

I'll take the week off by 7 over Earlham.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 28, 2011, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
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I'll take the week off by 7 over Earlham.

Nearly lost my drink of coffee on that one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2011, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
I'll take the week off by 7 over Earlham.
That's just wrong... but very good ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 29, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
So, with over 300 yards rushing, and 5 different players scoring rushing touchdowns, is it safe to say that Franklin got their running game going today?  Or is Anderson just that bad at stopping the run?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2011, 09:33:33 PM
That is probably the best Franklin has looked since Valpo at the start of the season. No turnovers for once, but if you take out the 2 long runs of 67 and 75 they averaged just 4 yards a rush (which sadly is still better than usual). They should be able to do the same next week @ Earlham. Hopefully this will give them confidence and they can continue like this against Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 29, 2011, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2011, 09:33:33 PM
That is probably the best Franklin has looked since Valpo at the start of the season. No turnovers for once, but if you take out the 2 long runs of 67 and 75 they averaged just 4 yards a rush (which sadly is still better than usual). They should be able to do the same next week @ Earlham. Hopefully this will give them confidence and they can continue like this against Hanover.

I felt that Franklin was going to be able to run pretty well against Anderson.  Against Hanover, it just didn't seem that Anderson had all that much speed, especially to the outside.

The last 3 games for Hanover have been confidence builders, but I hope the Panthers aren't getting over confident.  The D has been playing well, and will need to next week at MSJ to keep the hopes alive for a shot at the conference title.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2011, 09:26:53 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 29, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
So, with over 300 yards rushing, and 5 different players scoring rushing touchdowns, is it safe to say that Franklin got their running game going today?  Or is Anderson just that bad at stopping the run?

FC seemed to shake off some of the mid season offensive issues with a solid outing. Another big game next week and FC should be back and ready to defend their conference title.  Defensive injuries continue to be a late season concern.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 30, 2011, 07:39:34 PM
FC seemed to shake off some of the mid season offensive issues with a solid outing. Another big game next week and FC should be back and ready to defend their conference title.  Defensive injuries continue to be a late season concern.
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The game with Earlham should allow Franklin to rest anyone who might be banged up, and still work on some things on O.  I don't see the Quakers putting up too much of a fight (pun intended), but it will be good to test some things in game conditions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
Bridge Bowl --- 11 days away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 01, 2011, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
Bridge Bowl --- 11 days away.

What should be the first competitive Victory Bell game in years as well. 

Noticed the fans getting fired up in the Monon Bell thread.  Anything can happen but I don't see that one being close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 03, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
Excellent article in Around the Region today about the Hanover Panthers.

All signs are pointing to a great Victory Bell game at Hanover on the 12th, provided the Panthers take care of business this week at MSJ.

It will be interesting to see how the defense deals with a predominantly run-oriented offense in the Lions.  Anderson has a good running back, but the D kept him in check for most of the day, and we haven't faced a strong running threat since then.

On the Offensive side of the ball, Matt Robinette and Dwayne Eubanks have been stepping up big in the passing game, and I look for more of the same this week.  It would be nice to have a big running attack this week as well, just to give the Griz something else to prepare for.

GO PANTHERS!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 03, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
Excellent article in Around the Region today about the Hanover Panthers.

All signs are pointing to a great Victory Bell game at Hanover on the 12th, provided the Panthers take care of business this week at MSJ.

It will be interesting to see how the defense deals with a predominantly run-oriented offense in the Lions.  Anderson has a good running back, but the D kept him in check for most of the day, and we haven't faced a strong running threat since then.

On the Offensive side of the ball, Matt Robinette and Dwayne Eubanks have been stepping up big in the passing game, and I look for more of the same this week.  It would be nice to have a big running attack this week as well, just to give the Griz something else to prepare for.

GO PANTHERS!

TMC needs Hanover to win out to have any shot of hosting a game in the tournament... IMO
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2011, 08:36:12 AM
Hanover @ Mount St. Joseph: The pressure is on Hanover this week. With Franklin highly likely to win, Hanover must win to keep a shot at the playoffs alive. MSJ has nothing to play for here other than trying to be spoilers and have their big game next week to prepare for.

Franklin @ Earlham: Franklin continues their path toward a potential conference crown and perhaps hosting a playoff game (if the regional rankings are to be believed). This should be their easiest game of the season and will allow them to hopefully rest players as needed. Earlham is coming off their bye week and will try not to lose their 19th straight game. The good news is that the last two games this year are at home so there won't be long drives back after likely losses.

Rose-Hulman @ Anderson: A couple weeks ago we were talking about Rose possibly being a darkhorse to win the conference... now they're 3-5 on the season and 3-3 in conference. They have winnable games to at least climb back to .500 for the season. Anderson meanwhile has just one win this year (over Earlham) but have had a couple games within one score in recent weeks. Both teams playing for pride here and may end up surprisingly close.

Manchester @ Defiance: Manchester may be a measly 2-6... but have played tough against everyone except Hanover this season. Defiance has turned their season around, winning their last 4 games to get back to .500 for the season and can still finish near the top of the conference this year.

Bluffton is the last team to have the week off. Like Defiance they started 0-4 and followed with 4 wins. They get an extra week to prepare for Defiance and with a win would finish 5-5 for the first time since 2004 and would win 5 conference games for the first time since going 5-1 in 2000.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 04, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
Nice game previews as usual FCGrizzliesGrad...  My pick for game of the week is a close tie between:  Hanover vs MSJ, Manchester vs Defiance

Hanover is on the road and that threat of a let down is ever present.  Guess we're about to find out if they're serious about a conf. title shot.

Defiance is looking to extend their streak but if Manchester is on this should be a great game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 04, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
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TMC needs Hanover to win out to have any shot of hosting a game in the tournament... IMO

For the last several years TMC would be screwed in this situation but since game 5 this year Hanover has not been the same team.  If Hanover continues to look dominate against MSJ then I feel confident we'll have at least a fighting chance against Franklin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2011, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 04, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 03, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
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TMC needs Hanover to win out to have any shot of hosting a game in the tournament... IMO

For the last several years TMC would be screwed in this situation but since game 5 this year Hanover has not been the same team.  If Hanover continues to look dominate against MSJ then I feel confident we'll have at least a fighting chance against Franklin.

I am glad Hanover has risen from the ashes.  FC will be ready next week and wont take the panthers lightly
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2011, 11:42:07 PM
An interesting matchup for tomorrow... Franklin FB points against Earlham vs Franklin BB points against two time national runner-ups Butler... I think I'll take football by a dozen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 05, 2011, 04:36:28 PM
Wow - quite a titanic defensive struggle between Anderson and RHIT... 50 all in the 4th?   :o

Also looks as if "Coach" Gordon's play-calling finally caught up versus Manchester - great job, Il Duce!  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
A lot of strange games today... Manchester winning 32-6 @ Defiance? MSJ scoring 41 straight to take a 41-10 lead over Hanover? Anderson and Rose combining for over 100 points? Only thing that was normal was Franklin's 55-0 win over Earlham.

Congrats to the Grizzlies on winning the HCAC title this year. Glad that the title isn't on the line next week because I was nervous about it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on November 05, 2011, 07:32:47 PM
DC posted a short highlight video of its game against Manchester - http://www.youtube.com/user/DefianceAthletics#p/a/u/0/p4a0FHsJQLc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 06, 2011, 02:14:04 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2011, 11:42:07 PM
An interesting matchup for tomorrow... Franklin FB points against Earlham vs Franklin BB points against two time national runner-ups Butler... I think I'll take football by a dozen.
It was closer than I thought it'd be... Grizzlies football scored 55... Grizzlies basketball scored 53
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2011, 09:41:12 AM
Where is Saint's Fan when you need to hear from him :)??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2011, 09:50:51 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
A lot of strange games today... Manchester winning 32-6 @ Defiance? MSJ scoring 41 straight to take a 41-10 lead over Hanover? Anderson and Rose combining for over 100 points? Only thing that was normal was Franklin's 55-0 win over Earlham.

Congrats to the Grizzlies on winning the HCAC title this year. Glad that the title isn't on the line next week because I was nervous about it.

Nice to lock up the playoff berth but part of me wanted a true championship game on the last game of the season.  While the conference title is not on the line, FC still needs to take care of business to help capture a first round home game.  A loss will ensure the GRIZ will be on the road against a higher seed.

The Bell game is always a lot of fun for both schools and their fans.  We are looking forward to hitting the road and meeting up once again with our friends from down south.  Hanover and Franklin are both good hosts and while rivals we are friendly rivals.  Should be an exciting game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 06, 2011, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: Buzz on November 05, 2011, 07:32:47 PM
DC posted a short highlight video of its game against Manchester - http://www.youtube.com/user/DefianceAthletics#p/a/u/0/p4a0FHsJQLc

+k, Buzz, for the oxymoron and referenced brevity!   ;D ;)  Tough gig this season...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 06, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2011, 09:50:51 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
A lot of strange games today... Manchester winning 32-6 @ Defiance? MSJ scoring 41 straight to take a 41-10 lead over Hanover? Anderson and Rose combining for over 100 points? Only thing that was normal was Franklin's 55-0 win over Earlham.

Congrats to the Grizzlies on winning the HCAC title this year. Glad that the title isn't on the line next week because I was nervous about it.

Nice to lock up the playoff berth but part of me wanted a true championship game on the last game of the season.  While the conference title is not on the line, FC still needs to take care of business to help capture a first round home game.  A loss will ensure the GRIZ will be on the road against a higher seed.

The Bell game is always a lot of fun for both schools and their fans.  We are looking forward to hitting the road and meeting up once again with our friends from down south.  Hanover and Franklin are both good hosts and while rivals we are friendly rivals.  Should be an exciting game.

I am hoping that next week's game will live up to the billing.  Need a good effort out of the Panthers to erase the memory of the terrible game at MSJ.  It would be nice for the senior's last game to be a win against Franklin.  Who knows, now that nothing is on the line (except conference ranking), maybe they will play loose and take care of business.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2011, 09:41:12 AM
Where is Saint's Fan when you need to hear from him :)??

No internet this weekend.  Was there in Crestview Hills on Saturday.  I said it at the end of the game, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  They are in the playoffs already (reason for a hangover) and now they can actually focus on just MSJ.. instead of a perfect season too.  They will get TMC's full attention now.  I'll be there as it should be fun.

Just keep the damned Bridge Bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2011, 09:41:12 AM
Where is Saint's Fan when you need to hear from him :)??

No internet this weekend.  Was there in Crestview Hills on Saturday.  I said it at the end of the game, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  They are in the playoffs already (reason for a hangover) and now they can actually focus on just MSJ.. instead of a perfect season too.  They will get TMC's full attention now.  I'll be there as it should be fun.

Just keep the damned Bridge Bowl.

BTW, Waynesburg never drove the field on TMC on Saturday.  They recovered a blocked punt for a TD, TMC turned the ball over inside the 30 for the 2nd TD and their third and final TD was a 70+ yard screen pass. 

Hopefully the coaches have the players really pissed off for Saturday.  I'd like to see them be super aggressive on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 06, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
... Who knows, now that nothing is on the line (except conference ranking), maybe they will play loose and take care of business.

Not to downgrade the importance of the Victory Bell but both teams don't have a lot to lose.  Franklin has the conference wrapped up and have their ticket punched for the play offs.  Should make for an exciting game though.  One small advantage Hanover will have, maybe, is that they can run though the entire playbook where Franklin may have some nuggets they'll want to save for their eventually first round opponent.  On the other hand...  Franklin may have a shot at a good seed in the play-offs so a win for them is important.

Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 07, 2011, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 06, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
... Who knows, now that nothing is on the line (except conference ranking), maybe they will play loose and take care of business.

Not to downgrade the importance of the Victory Bell but both teams don't have a lot to lose.  Franklin has the conference wrapped up and have their ticket punched for the play offs.  Should make for an exciting game though.  One small advantage Hanover will have, maybe, is that they can run though the entire playbook where Franklin may have some nuggets they'll want to save for their eventually first round opponent.  On the other hand...  Franklin may have a shot at a good seed in the play-offs so a win for them is important.

Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

FC has a lot to lose IMO.  Home field and the opportunity to advance in the playoffs is huge (bigger than retaining the Bell for sure)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 07, 2011, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 08:43:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2011, 09:41:12 AM
Where is Saint's Fan when you need to hear from him :)??

No internet this weekend.  Was there in Crestview Hills on Saturday.  I said it at the end of the game, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  They are in the playoffs already (reason for a hangover) and now they can actually focus on just MSJ.. instead of a perfect season too.  They will get TMC's full attention now.  I'll be there as it should be fun.

Just keep the damned Bridge Bowl.

BTW, Waynesburg never drove the field on TMC on Saturday.  They recovered a blocked punt for a TD, TMC turned the ball over inside the 30 for the 2nd TD and their third and final TD was a 70+ yard screen pass. 

Hopefully the coaches have the players really pissed off for Saturday.  I'd like to see them be super aggressive on Saturday.

FC lost one like that up at Trine a couple years ago.  And coughed up a loss at Carthage the same way last season.  I hear you!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

I don't... they can't help us anymore... GEAUX GRIZ !!!  Monkey-stomp!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 07, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

I don't... they can't help us anymore... GEAUX GRIZ !!!  Monkey-stomp!

Let's see.  Last weekend, you were pulling for Hanover, as it would help Thomas More, and we lost, as did the Saints (at home, no less!).

So, this week, you are rooting for the Griz for no other reason than a Hanover win doesn't do anything for the Saints.  Wouldn't it be ironic if both Hanover and MSJ win? :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2011, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game. 
I think Franklin will play like solid, it's just a matter of how Hanover responds to last week. If Hanover comes out angry after the loss and mad that they lost a shot at the title then they very well could win. If they come out flat then the game won't be close...
And the games haven't been close lately... only one of the last 15 games have been less than 10 points and that was Hanover by 9 in 2003.

Besides... Grizzlies have a few more years of constantly holding the Bell... only had it 6 years so far after Hanover had it 11 straight (and 15 of 16) :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Very interesting to me that there may be four teams with a 5-3 mark in conference action while Franklin sits alone at the top if they win Saturday.  Looks like HCAC did a great job beating on eachother this season.

I have to say that I'm pulling for Franklin since I would like to see them get a decent seed for the first round.  I would hate for them to have to face a one seed to start the playoffs.  I do wonder how they would do against Whitewater again?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Very interesting to me that there may be four teams with a 5-3 mark in conference action while Franklin sits alone at the top if they win Saturday.  Looks like HCAC did a great job beating on eachother this season.

I have to say that I'm pulling for Franklin since I would like to see them get a decent seed for the first round.  I would hate for them to have to face a one seed to start the playoffs.  I do wonder how they would do against Whitewater again?

Even if they lost this Saturday, Franklin would not face a 1-seed (though probably a 2 or 3).  Assuming they win, most bracket speculation I've seen would have them facing IWU in round one, though at which campus is kind of a toss-up
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Very interesting to me that there may be four teams with a 5-3 mark in conference action while Franklin sits alone at the top if they win Saturday.  Looks like HCAC did a great job beating on eachother this season.

I have to say that I'm pulling for Franklin since I would like to see them get a decent seed for the first round.  I would hate for them to have to face a one seed to start the playoffs.  I do wonder how they would do against Whitewater again?

Even if they lost this Saturday, Franklin would not face a 1-seed (though probably a 2 or 3).  Assuming they win, most bracket speculation I've seen would have them facing IWU in round one, though at which campus is kind of a toss-up
I would guess Wabash or North Central would be the 2 or 3 if that were to happen.  Hopefully it does not and Franklin can lock a home game for their first opponent. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Very interesting to me that there may be four teams with a 5-3 mark in conference action while Franklin sits alone at the top if they win Saturday.  Looks like HCAC did a great job beating on eachother this season.

I have to say that I'm pulling for Franklin since I would like to see them get a decent seed for the first round.  I would hate for them to have to face a one seed to start the playoffs.  I do wonder how they would do against Whitewater again?

Even if they lost this Saturday, Franklin would not face a 1-seed (though probably a 2 or 3).  Assuming they win, most bracket speculation I've seen would have them facing IWU in round one, though at which campus is kind of a toss-up
I would guess Wabash or North Central would be the 2 or 3 if that were to happen.  Hopefully it does not and Franklin can lock a home game for their first opponent.

I (and others) figure Franklin and IWU (assuming both win Saturday) to be 4 and 5, in whichever order.  The eventual seeding will be a test of Pat's speculation that once the national committee gets to seeding, 'regional' gets mostly tossed.  Franklin is undefeated in region (UWW doesn't 'count'); on the other hand, both would be one-loss teams overall and IWU has a vastly better SOS (currently 19th vs. 217th).  My guess is that Franklin will be above IWU in the final regional rankings that we see, but I would not be surprised if IWU hosted the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2011, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
I would hate for them to have to face a one seed to start the playoffs.  I do wonder how they would do against Whitewater again?
There's no way Grizzlies will be an 8 seed because Albion will be there for sure. But looking at a 4 or 5 would put them against the 1 in the 2nd round. If Delaware Valley loses this week then Mount Union will slide over to be #1 in the east and UWW #1 to the north... and it still might happen even if DelVal wins. I think the game would be closer than the 45-0 shellacking, but probably still not particularly close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 07, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

I don't... they can't help us anymore... GEAUX GRIZ !!!  Monkey-stomp!

Let's see.  Last weekend, you were pulling for Hanover, as it would help Thomas More, and we lost, as did the Saints (at home, no less!).

So, this week, you are rooting for the Griz for no other reason than a Hanover win doesn't do anything for the Saints.  Wouldn't it be ironic if both Hanover and MSJ win? :P

touche... BUT, you have to remember despite my Uncle being in the Hanover Hall of Fame, I was "raised" (at TMC) to dislike Hanover.  I remember in 1995, we needed Franklin to win the Bell game, but it wasn't to be.  We were #5 in the North at 10-0 and left at home for the tourney (when that TMC team would've done some real damage with 10+ D1 transfers as starters). 

I hope for a great game between Hanover and Franklin, to help Franklin further prepare for the tourney and I hope for a repeat of the Bridge Bowl the last time it was played at MSJ and both squads were undefeated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 08, 2011, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 07, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

I don't... they can't help us anymore... GEAUX GRIZ !!!  Monkey-stomp!

Let's see.  Last weekend, you were pulling for Hanover, as it would help Thomas More, and we lost, as did the Saints (at home, no less!).

So, this week, you are rooting for the Griz for no other reason than a Hanover win doesn't do anything for the Saints.  Wouldn't it be ironic if both Hanover and MSJ win? :P

touche... BUT, you have to remember despite my Uncle being in the Hanover Hall of Fame, I was "raised" (at TMC) to dislike Hanover.  I remember in 1995, we needed Franklin to win the Bell game, but it wasn't to be.  We were #5 in the North at 10-0 and left at home for the tourney (when that TMC team would've done some real damage with 10+ D1 transfers as starters). 

I hope for a great game between Hanover and Franklin, to help Franklin further prepare for the tourney and I hope for a repeat of the Bridge Bowl the last time it was played at MSJ and both squads were undefeated.

Are you going soft?  I seem to recall a post something like "I'm going to see Thomas More hammer those pu$$ies from Hanover this weekend...",  yet now you are hoping for a great game?? What gives?

On a related note, I hope the big win for MSJ energizes them this week such that the Bridge Bowl is a good game.  With the way both teams have been playing, it wasn't shaping up to be much, however with last week's performance (for both teams), things may have changed. Having seen both teams, I believe TM will win comfortably, but you never know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 08, 2011, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 08, 2011, 10:14:39 AM
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Are you going soft?  I seem to recall a post something like "I'm going to see Thomas More hammer those pu$$ies from Hanover this weekend...",  yet now you are hoping for a great game?? What gives?
...

Considering TMC may have have put themselves on the teetering edge of a fun-filled first round trip to Belton, TX already...  Would be careful about wishing for a Hanover "monkey stomping" right before the committee decides on seedings.  Unless you're Franklin of course...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 08, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 08, 2011, 11:19:26 AM


Considering TMC may have have put themselves on the teetering edge of a fun-filled first round trip to Belton, TX already...  Would be careful about wishing for a Hanover "monkey stomping" right before the committee decides on seedings.

SaintsFan's just lookin' forward to some real 'cue before a night on 6th Street (or Gingerman for real beer drinkers) rather than floundering in tomatoey glob at Montgomery's followed by a suds soaked (In Munchen steht ein Hofbrauhaus - eins, zwei, g'suffa) debauch in scenic Newport.  ;D ;)

"No ropers, no service" in Tejas may pose a challenging dilemma for a Crestview favorite son, though.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 08, 2011, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 08, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
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SaintsFan's just lookin' forward to some real 'cue before a night on 6th Street (or Gingerman for real beer drinkers)
...

Now you're talking...  Suddenly I feel the need for some hefeweizen
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2011, 12:26:18 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 08, 2011, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 08, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
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SaintsFan's just lookin' forward to some real 'cue before a night on 6th Street (or Gingerman for real beer drinkers)
...

Now you're talking...  Suddenly I feel the need for some hefeweizen
Couldn't agree more! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2011, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 08, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 08, 2011, 11:19:26 AM


Considering TMC may have have put themselves on the teetering edge of a fun-filled first round trip to Belton, TX already...  Would be careful about wishing for a Hanover "monkey stomping" right before the committee decides on seedings.

SaintsFan's just lookin' forward to some real 'cue before a night on 6th Street (or Gingerman for real beer drinkers) rather than floundering in tomatoey glob at Montgomery's followed by a suds soaked (In Munchen steht ein Hofbrauhaus - eins, zwei, g'suffa) debauch in scenic Newport.  ;D ;)

"No ropers, no service" in Tejas may pose a challenging dilemma for a Crestview favorite son, though.  ;D ;)

+K
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2011, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 08, 2011, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 07, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

I don't... they can't help us anymore... GEAUX GRIZ !!!  Monkey-stomp!

Let's see.  Last weekend, you were pulling for Hanover, as it would help Thomas More, and we lost, as did the Saints (at home, no less!).

So, this week, you are rooting for the Griz for no other reason than a Hanover win doesn't do anything for the Saints.  Wouldn't it be ironic if both Hanover and MSJ win? :P

touche... BUT, you have to remember despite my Uncle being in the Hanover Hall of Fame, I was "raised" (at TMC) to dislike Hanover.  I remember in 1995, we needed Franklin to win the Bell game, but it wasn't to be.  We were #5 in the North at 10-0 and left at home for the tourney (when that TMC team would've done some real damage with 10+ D1 transfers as starters). 

I hope for a great game between Hanover and Franklin, to help Franklin further prepare for the tourney and I hope for a repeat of the Bridge Bowl the last time it was played at MSJ and both squads were undefeated.

Are you going soft?  I seem to recall a post something like "I'm going to see Thomas More hammer those pu$$ies from Hanover this weekend...",  yet now you are hoping for a great game?? What gives?

On a related note, I hope the big win for MSJ energizes them this week such that the Bridge Bowl is a good game.  With the way both teams have been playing, it wasn't shaping up to be much, however with last week's performance (for both teams), things may have changed. Having seen both teams, I believe TM will win comfortably, but you never know.

touche --- I just may be going soft.  Its the girlfriend influence on me, perhaps.  She doesn't understand the competitive nature I have and still have about this D3 Football "stuff".

Bridge Bowl --- honestly think it will go one of two ways. 
1.  MSJ runs the ball right at TMC with their big offensive line and limits the Thomas More offensive possessions because they hold onto the ball.  Will result in a close game.  Thomas More only averages around 230 lbs on the defensive front.  They are built for speed.  If MSJ has to throw the ball alot, the Saints secondary will cause some problems as Autenreib is a ball hawk and they have some size/athleticism at corner... also this will turn the dogs loose up front.  If there are obvious passing situations, TMC will get after the QB. 
2.  Thomas More forces a couple turnovers early (MSJ has been a little turnover prone this year) and the offense gets off to a fast start and forces MSJ to play from behind.  This would play into TMC's hands for more than the obvious reasons (scoreboard). 

*The key to this game is how well MSJ runs the ball and if they stay committed to it.  Thomas More will get their big plays and the question is will the MSJ ground game wear out TMC.  Another wildcard is the Saints return game (as some Hanover fans can surely attest to).. its potentially very explosive with Owens and Savoy back there.  MSJ would be best served to not kick to Owens, but they can't give up field position in doing so (like the Hanover opening kickoff). 

I still think Thomas More wins, but it should be closer than the previous 3 years.  Probably 30-17.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2011, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2011, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 08, 2011, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 07, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 07, 2011, 11:08:44 AM
Win or lose, I just want to see Hanover play to their potential so it's a good game.

I don't... they can't help us anymore... GEAUX GRIZ !!!  Monkey-stomp!

Let's see.  Last weekend, you were pulling for Hanover, as it would help Thomas More, and we lost, as did the Saints (at home, no less!).

So, this week, you are rooting for the Griz for no other reason than a Hanover win doesn't do anything for the Saints.  Wouldn't it be ironic if both Hanover and MSJ win? :P

touche... BUT, you have to remember despite my Uncle being in the Hanover Hall of Fame, I was "raised" (at TMC) to dislike Hanover.  I remember in 1995, we needed Franklin to win the Bell game, but it wasn't to be.  We were #5 in the North at 10-0 and left at home for the tourney (when that TMC team would've done some real damage with 10+ D1 transfers as starters). 

I hope for a great game between Hanover and Franklin, to help Franklin further prepare for the tourney and I hope for a repeat of the Bridge Bowl the last time it was played at MSJ and both squads were undefeated.

Are you going soft?  I seem to recall a post something like "I'm going to see Thomas More hammer those pu$$ies from Hanover this weekend...",  yet now you are hoping for a great game?? What gives?

On a related note, I hope the big win for MSJ energizes them this week such that the Bridge Bowl is a good game.  With the way both teams have been playing, it wasn't shaping up to be much, however with last week's performance (for both teams), things may have changed. Having seen both teams, I believe TM will win comfortably, but you never know.

touche --- I just may be going soft.  Its the girlfriend influence on me, perhaps.  She doesn't understand the competitive nature I have and still have about this D3 Football "stuff".

Bridge Bowl --- honestly think it will go one of two ways. 
1.  MSJ runs the ball right at TMC with their big offensive line and limits the Thomas More offensive possessions because they hold onto the ball.  Will result in a close game.  Thomas More only averages around 230 lbs on the defensive front.  They are built for speed.  If MSJ has to throw the ball alot, the Saints secondary will cause some problems as Autenreib is a ball hawk and they have some size/athleticism at corner... also this will turn the dogs loose up front.  If there are obvious passing situations, TMC will get after the QB. 
2.  Thomas More forces a couple turnovers early (MSJ has been a little turnover prone this year) and the offense gets off to a fast start and forces MSJ to play from behind.  This would play into TMC's hands for more than the obvious reasons (scoreboard). 

*The key to this game is how well MSJ runs the ball and if they stay committed to it.  Thomas More will get their big plays and the question is will the MSJ ground game wear out TMC.  Another wildcard is the Saints return game (as some Hanover fans can surely attest to).. its potentially very explosive with Owens and Savoy back there.  MSJ would be best served to not kick to Owens, but they can't give up field position in doing so (like the Hanover opening kickoff). 

I still think Thomas More wins, but it should be closer than the previous 3 years.  Probably 30-17.
It's either the girlfriend or old age ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2011, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 09, 2011, 12:09:19 PM

It's either the girlfriend or old age ;)

probably a little bit of both.


one thing we can all look forward to is hearing from Adam Sayer on here after Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2011, 04:53:08 PM

I still think Thomas More wins, but it should be closer than the previous 3 years.  Probably 30-17.
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MSJ sure brought the physical game to FC (both schools knocked the crap out of each other).  Not as talented as they have been but can play serious smashmouth.  Good luck and get a home game!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2011, 05:07:15 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2011, 04:53:08 PM
MSJ sure brought the physical game to FC (both schools knocked the crap out of each other).  Not as talented as they have been but can play serious smashmouth.  Good luck and get a home game!!

Thats what Thomas More was about when I was there in the 90s under Vic Clark (DC70), Dean Paul and Mike Hallet.  I know Coach Hilvert wants to be physical --- we'll see if the team responds in kind.  I think they will.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 10, 2011, 11:07:35 AM
Just a call out to all Franklin College Fans that plan to be at Hanover this weekend to watch the Bell Game.  The Franklin College Touchdown Club will host a tailgate in the parking lot between the tennis courts and softball field.  Food line opens at 11:20 am.  GO GRIZ!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 10, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: propower64 on November 10, 2011, 11:07:35 AM
Just a call out to all Franklin College Fans that plan to be at Hanover this weekend to watch the Bell Game.  The Franklin College Touchdown Club will host a tailgate in the parking lot between the tennis courts and softball field.  Food line opens at 11:20 am.  GO GRIZ!

Bad choice.  That's where the local 4H kids graze their herd of domestic water buffalo. :P

Just kidding!

Panthersfan and I will be in our usual spots in the Hanover tailgate lot.  PM me for the lot# if you are interested in stopping by to join in a beverage unapproved by the administrations at Manchester and Earlham.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2011, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 10, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: propower64 on November 10, 2011, 11:07:35 AM
Just a call out to all Franklin College Fans that plan to be at Hanover this weekend to watch the Bell Game.  The Franklin College Touchdown Club will host a tailgate in the parking lot between the tennis courts and softball field.  Food line opens at 11:20 am.  GO GRIZ!

Bad choice.  That's where the local 4H kids graze their herd of domestic water buffalo. :P

Just kidding!

Panthersfan and I will be in our usual spots in the Hanover tailgate lot.  PM me for the lot# if you are interested in stopping by to join in a beverage unapproved by the administrations at Manchester and Earlham.

Speaking of Earlham:  Toby Keith's new record has a song entitled "Red Solo Cup".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 11, 2011, 03:41:07 PM
Thomas More @ Mount St. Joseph: The last chance to improve the conference's terrible non-conference record which stands at 3-14 this year. MSJ won their first 3, then lost 3, then won 3. This is their 10th straight non losing season. Last time MSJ won the Bridge Bowl however was 2007. Thomas More is 8-1 and coming off their first loss of the year and will prepare for the playoffs next week.

Franklin @ Hanover: Franklin is looking to complete an unbeaten conference season and potentially host a first round playoff game. Hanover went from a potential playoff berth to needing a win just to finish above .500 this season. Even though Hanover has less on the line now, the battle for the Victory Bell will still be a tough fight.

Rose-Hulman @ Earlham: Rose has gone from potential darkhorse to afterthought. Losing 3 of 4 before last week has dropped them to 4-5 for the year and needing a win to avoid a losing season. Luckily they have a winnable game. Earlham has lost every game they've played since joining the conference... 19 in a row now.

Anderson @ Manchester: Anderson has had a disappointing season with just one win. They tried last week scoring 50 against Rose but couldn't get that 2nd win. Manchester meanwhile has been competitive but unable to win, but scored a big win last week against Defiance. Which team will carry over their performance from last week and have positives heading into the offseason?

Bluffton @ Defiance: A battle of identical teams. Both are 4-5 on the year and 4-3 in conference. Both teams lost their first 4 then won the next 4 before terrible performances last week. Bluffton still have a chance for their first 5-5 season since 2004 and first 5 win conference record since 2000. Defiance meanwhile haven't lived up to expectations. Their largest win was by 16 to Earlham while all their losses have been by at least 17.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2011, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 10, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: propower64 on November 10, 2011, 11:07:35 AM
Just a call out to all Franklin College Fans that plan to be at Hanover this weekend to watch the Bell Game.  The Franklin College Touchdown Club will host a tailgate in the parking lot between the tennis courts and softball field.  Food line opens at 11:20 am.  GO GRIZ!

Bad choice.  That's where the local 4H kids graze their herd of domestic water buffalo. :P

Just kidding!

Panthersfan and I will be in our usual spots in the Hanover tailgate lot.  PM me for the lot# if you are interested in stopping by to join in a beverage unapproved by the administrations at Manchester and Earlham.

Stop by our group as well.  Blue Dodge truck with flag pole.  Several tents all together with brunch at 11.  Cold beverages for all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 12, 2011, 10:05:31 PM
Black eye for Defiance College today. A post-game brawl was pretty ugly and embarrassing. City cops were even called in but didn't get there till after the fracas was over. It's just bad, bad, bad for something like this to happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 13, 2011, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on November 12, 2011, 10:05:31 PM
Black eye for Defiance College today. A post-game brawl was pretty ugly and embarrassing. City cops were even called in but didn't get there till after the fracas was over. It's just bad, bad, bad for something like this to happen.

So, JB, it appears from your offering certain life lessons are lacking in the DC curriculum? 

As occurs in the rarefied atmosphere of "we're all winners - everyone gets a trophy BS," dealing with adversity (like Bluffton running the ball right up the Yellow Jokers posteriors), and then reacting like petulant pre-schoolers or belligerent buffoons solves all.  Not to worry - ping pong, popcorn, and a hand-holding, choral rendition of "Cumbaya" will clear the Utopian air at the corner of Webster and North Clinton. 

Inmates running the asylum under auspices of "Defy the Ordinary - Welcome to Attica."  I prescribe pink jumpsuits, fifteen minutes for daily recess at the new ($ 5000 per brick) jock dome, and bologna sandwiches through May for all of the perps and their enablers. "Clean up on Aisle Five"  :-[ :o >:( ;)   


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2011, 03:03:20 AM
Just thought I'd make a comparison between the preseason coaches poll and the final standings...

Team       Conf  Overall Poll votes Rank
Franklin      8-0    9-1      78 (8)     1st
Mt St Joseph  5-3    6-4      59 (1)     4th
Bluffton      5-3    5-5      34        T6th
Hanover       5-3    5-5      61         3rd
Rose-Hulman   5-3    5-5      38         5th
Defiance      4-4    4-6      63         2nd
Manchester    3-5    4-6      28         8th
Anderson      1-7    1-9      34        T6th
Earlham       0-8    0-10     10         9th


It's fun to go back and read what everyone thought before the season now that we know how it turned out.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 30, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
I think there should be a good 4 team battle for 2nd, and the possibility that even if someone upsets Franklin that the Griz could still win the conference because everyone else ends up with 2 or 3 losses.
Surprisingly accurate prediction by me... but to be fair I also had Bluffton finishing 8th :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2011, 05:31:57 AM
The GRIZ took care of business at Hanover 40-15 (34-3 at end of third)  FC looked and played like a playoff team today.  Balanced attack offensively and played solid defense (56 yards rushing for HC). Hopefully a home game awaits next weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
cave2bens and Jackets Backer:
Hilarious commentary cave2! ;D :D ::) :).  Although at the same time, it is sad that such a brawl took place - no place for that and no excuse for that.  Sounds like some stiff changes need to be made somewhere.  Do you think there will be any consequences/reprimands for the brawl for players, the schools from either the league and/or the schools themselves?  That it happened is not good and that's unfortunate. :'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on November 13, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
Disgust, embarrassment and anger for what happened were the sentiments afterwards. It really is sickening. I don't know what triggered the bruhahah but so what if Bluffton kids were running their mouths, walk off the field DC, you got stomped ... get'em next year on the field. But you could see this coming a mile away. The DC program has been a powder keg all year. Discipline issue after discipline issue. There have been problems on a weekly basis pretty much with the program on campus and around town. It came to a boiling point after the game and you got an ugly, ugly fight. The interim coach was thrown into a blazing inferno. Cave you know what I mean by this, you reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 13, 2011, 10:53:20 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on November 13, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
Disgust, embarrassment and anger for what happened were the sentiments afterwards.   Cave you know what I mean by this, you reap what you sow.

Certainly do - regrettably enablers and users never get quite "get it" as consequences and responsibility might dilute "good feelings" and cause damaged psyche.  Oh horror!  :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
That was an interesting selection show. Have to say I was quite surprised seeing Thomas More's name come up after Franklin. Guess that was a sign of things to come with the rest of the bracket. I wonder how long till SaintsFAN weighs in on all this.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
That was an interesting selection show. Have to say I was quite surprised seeing Thomas More's name come up after Franklin. Guess that was a sign of things to come with the rest of the bracket. I wonder how long till SaintsFAN weighs in on all this.

Surprised to see Thomas More as a 5 seed but Franklin doesn't have to face IWU.  TM will be a huge challenge but both teams are fairly evenly matched.  Tough game to predict.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 13, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
Thomas More at Franklin is an interesting matchup.  Hanover hung with TM for the first half (second game of the year), before Thomas More kicked it in.  Seem to recall a TM punt return for TD, and a couple of good kick returns.  They also have a good kicker.

TM "lost" their home playoff game last week losing a conference game at home, and had to insert their freshman QB to give the offense a spark yesterday against MSJ.

http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20111112/SPT01/311120097/Thomas-More-downs-Mount-St-Joseph-Bridge-Bowl?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
I will say this... very surprised at the bracket and very happy we are heading to Franklin IN... that means I may be able to attend this game (moving this week).  That said, about the new QB --- you would have rather played TMC the last two weeks than this weekend.  The kid is legit.... and just what they needed.  He was very non-plussed and calm after a big run on his first series got them inside the 10 yard line. 

Until the point when he entered the game in the 2nd quarter, the offense was sputtering ala Waynesburg. 

There are a couple things that need fixed, defensively but I think they'll work on doing that this week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 13, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
Thomas More at Franklin is an interesting matchup.  Hanover hung with TM for the first half (second game of the year), before Thomas More kicked it in.  Seem to recall a TM punt return for TD, and a couple of good kick returns.  They also have a good kicker.

TM "lost" their home playoff game last week losing a conference game at home, and had to insert their freshman QB to give the offense a spark yesterday against MSJ.

http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20111112/SPT01/311120097/Thomas-More-downs-Mount-St-Joseph-Bridge-Bowl?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

also --- be careful with referencing Hanover game.  We were Hanover's second opponent... while that game was our 1st game of the year.  Huge difference.  What happened in the 1st half was more indicative of it being the opener for the Saints.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 14, 2011, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 13, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
Thomas More at Franklin is an interesting matchup.  Hanover hung with TM for the first half (second game of the year), before Thomas More kicked it in.  Seem to recall a TM punt return for TD, and a couple of good kick returns.  They also have a good kicker.

TM "lost" their home playoff game last week losing a conference game at home, and had to insert their freshman QB to give the offense a spark yesterday against MSJ.

http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20111112/SPT01/311120097/Thomas-More-downs-Mount-St-Joseph-Bridge-Bowl?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

also --- be careful with referencing Hanover game.  We were Hanover's second opponent... while that game was our 1st game of the year.  Huge difference.  What happened in the 1st half was more indicative of it being the opener for the Saints.

Well, the Hanover games against TM and Franklin are my only reference point for the two teams, so that was my contribution.  Outside of that, it look like the Saints are choking at just the right time.  Lose a home, in-conference game to a nobody, and then your starting QB chokes during your biggest non-conference rivalry, and has to be pulled for a freshman??  What gives?

I don't care what kind of spin Coach Hilvert wants to put on it, TM is not peaking at the right time.  The nearly non existent competition in the PAC will come back to haunt TM this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
I will say this... very surprised at the bracket and very happy we are heading to Franklin IN... that means I may be able to attend this game (moving this week).  That said, about the new QB --- you would have rather played TMC the last two weeks than this weekend.  The kid is legit.... and just what they needed.  He was very non-plussed and calm after a big run on his first series got them inside the 10 yard line. 

Until the point when he entered the game in the 2nd quarter, the offense was sputtering ala Waynesburg. 

There are a couple things that need fixed, defensively but I think they'll work on doing that this week.

Stud or not breaking in a new QB in the first round of the ployoffs is not a good a good thing.  should be a heck of a game, if TMC wins does saints fan add another fictional HCAC championship in his signature, can franklin's Defense do enough to confuse a new QB, will SaintsFan's girlfriend give him his manhood back to actually attend the game vs. "moving"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
cave2bens and Jackets Backer:
Hilarious commentary cave2! ;D :D ::) :).  Although at the same time, it is sad that such a brawl took place - no place for that and no excuse for that.  Sounds like some stiff changes need to be made somewhere.  Do you think there will be any consequences/reprimands for the brawl for players, the schools from either the league and/or the schools themselves?  That it happened is not good and that's unfortunate. :'(

it is a simple change...FIRE the President.  what do you expect...you force out the Head Coach out mid season for enforcing discipline and kicking troublemaker off the team because that hurts revenue (less players = less tuition).  now you have a bunch of players who know they cant be disciplined raising hell for the last few weeks and it builds up to a 200 person brawl.  as i said before the president should have got the hell out of the locker room and now he reaps what he sows.  every alum I know is no longer giving $ to this guy
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 14, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
It is sad how the Defiance/Bluffton game ended this past Saturday.  I actually turned off the stream at the start of the fourth and missed the events at the end of the game (not sure if they were on the stream or not).  I would imagine that both institutions are embarrassed by what occurred at the conclusion of the game.  Defiance/Bluffton athletic contests have generally had a good "ol' fashioned rivalry" feel for many years.  Fans on both sides have generally kept things within bounds even while giving it pretty good to the other schools players and fans.  Basketball season is just around the corner, let's hope cooler heads prevail at those contests.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 14, 2011, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
cave2bens and Jackets Backer:
Hilarious commentary cave2! ;D :D ::) :).  Although at the same time, it is sad that such a brawl took place - no place for that and no excuse for that.  Sounds like some stiff changes need to be made somewhere.  Do you think there will be any consequences/reprimands for the brawl for players, the schools from either the league and/or the schools themselves?  That it happened is not good and that's unfortunate. :'(

it is a simple change...FIRE the President.  what do you expect...you force out the Head Coach out mid season for enforcing discipline and kicking troublemaker off the team because that hurts revenue (less players = less tuition).  now you have a bunch of players who know they cant be disciplined raising hell for the last few weeks and it builds up to a 200 person brawl.  as i said before the president should have got the hell out of the locker room and now he reaps what he sows.  every alum I know is no longer giving $ to this guy

Yebo - letter, along with notifications and abrupt changes, just started its trek across the pond.  The general incompetence exhibited does not warrant shoving more sand down a rat's hole.  Institutional and name degradation has consequences, Sir Gordo.  >:(  Have performed my mea culpa to a couple of old mates for the hooliganism.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on November 14, 2011, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 14, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
It is sad how the Defiance/Bluffton game ended this past Saturday.  I actually turned off the stream at the start of the fourth and missed the events at the end of the game (not sure if they were on the stream or not).
It was not.  They showed the teams shaking hands for a bit then went to a commercial.  Nothing seemed out of the ordinary at that point.  But, it was a LOOOONNG commercial break.  When they came back for the post-game stuff they explained why they showed more commercials than they were expecting.

QuoteDefiance/Bluffton athletic contests have generally had a good "ol' fashioned rivalry" feel for many years.  Fans on both sides have generally kept things within bounds even while giving it pretty good to the other schools players and fans.

My sister and I attend this game every year.  She's a Bluffton (College) grad and I'm a DC grad.  We always wear our team's sweatshirts and always sit on the home side and we've never had a problem.  After the incident in the 2nd quarter, my sister actually felt scared to be sitting with us.  She didn't want to go down to the concession stand at halftime.

We were on our way out the gate as Bluffton tacked on the last TD, so we didn't witness the postgame (thank goodness).  We never did have the problems she was worried about, but it was the first time that she actually didn't feel safe at this game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 14, 2011, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 13, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
Thomas More at Franklin is an interesting matchup.  Hanover hung with TM for the first half (second game of the year), before Thomas More kicked it in.  Seem to recall a TM punt return for TD, and a couple of good kick returns.  They also have a good kicker.

TM "lost" their home playoff game last week losing a conference game at home, and had to insert their freshman QB to give the offense a spark yesterday against MSJ.

http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20111112/SPT01/311120097/Thomas-More-downs-Mount-St-Joseph-Bridge-Bowl?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

also --- be careful with referencing Hanover game.  We were Hanover's second opponent... while that game was our 1st game of the year.  Huge difference.  What happened in the 1st half was more indicative of it being the opener for the Saints.

Well, the Hanover games against TM and Franklin are my only reference point for the two teams, so that was my contribution.  Outside of that, it look like the Saints are choking at just the right time.  Lose a home, in-conference game to a nobody, and then your starting QB chokes during your biggest non-conference rivalry, and has to be pulled for a freshman??  What gives?

I don't care what kind of spin Coach Hilvert wants to put on it, TM is not peaking at the right time.  The nearly non existent competition in the PAC will come back to haunt TM this week.

I actually think these two teams are even... with the freshman QB, Magness.  Without his contributions, they'll have empty offensive possessions that have plagued the team the last 3 weeks+.  They need to fix the defensive line (which probably won't happen until next year when they get two of their starters back there).  Without the new QB, I'd say TMC without a doubt would have issues scoring enough points to keep up.  Just my observation.  With him, the offense clicked and they were able to come back and win a rivalry game that WAS Mount St Joe's playoff game.  At their place. 

I think this game this week is too close to call.  Should be a shootout. 

I also would compare the two conferences like this... BOTH full of bad teams.  If a shutout loss at Whitewater means Franklin played a tougher schedule, then so be it.  Both teams have had to play the entire season with each team taking their best shot at them.  And just because Thomas More won 26 conference games in a row doesn't mean the conference is especially weak.  The Waynesburg team we saw two weeks ago would be just behind Franklin in the Heartland standings.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 02:47:21 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
I will say this... very surprised at the bracket and very happy we are heading to Franklin IN... that means I may be able to attend this game (moving this week).  That said, about the new QB --- you would have rather played TMC the last two weeks than this weekend.  The kid is legit.... and just what they needed.  He was very non-plussed and calm after a big run on his first series got them inside the 10 yard line. 

Until the point when he entered the game in the 2nd quarter, the offense was sputtering ala Waynesburg. 

There are a couple things that need fixed, defensively but I think they'll work on doing that this week.

Stud or not breaking in a new QB in the first round of the ployoffs is not a good a good thing.  should be a heck of a game, if TMC wins does saints fan add another fictional HCAC championship in his signature, can franklin's Defense do enough to confuse a new QB, will SaintsFan's girlfriend give him his manhood back to actually attend the game vs. "moving"

That answer is no... BUT a win would give them victories over the top 3 teams in the HCAC... but they didn't beat the entire conference like in the years referenced !! 

I'm afraid I won't be there for sure... I think whoever does go will see a big offensive show.  I'd like to see how both defenses will make adjustments to stop the run.  Both teams can run the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2011, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
Stud or not breaking in a new QB in the first round of the ployoffs is not a good a good thing.
Last year UWW had a QB making I believe his first start against Franklin in the first round of the playoffs and played extremely well... of course that was Whitewater and this is Thomas More. I do agree that it should be an excellent and close game.
Of course the prize for winning is a trip to Whitewater which doesn't seem like that great of a prize ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2011, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 14, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
Stud or not breaking in a new QB in the first round of the ployoffs is not a good a good thing.
Last year UWW had a QB making I believe his first start against Franklin in the first round of the playoffs and played extremely well... of course that was Whitewater and this is Thomas More. I do agree that it should be an excellent and close game.
Of course the prize for winning is a trip to Whitewater which doesn't seem like that great of a prize ;)

A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 14, 2011, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2011, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 13, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
Thomas More at Franklin is an interesting matchup.  Hanover hung with TM for the first half (second game of the year), before Thomas More kicked it in.  Seem to recall a TM punt return for TD, and a couple of good kick returns.  They also have a good kicker.

TM "lost" their home playoff game last week losing a conference game at home, and had to insert their freshman QB to give the offense a spark yesterday against MSJ.

http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20111112/SPT01/311120097/Thomas-More-downs-Mount-St-Joseph-Bridge-Bowl?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

also --- be careful with referencing Hanover game.  We were Hanover's second opponent... while that game was our 1st game of the year.  Huge difference.  What happened in the 1st half was more indicative of it being the opener for the Saints.

Well, the Hanover games against TM and Franklin are my only reference point for the two teams, so that was my contribution.  Outside of that, it look like the Saints are choking at just the right time.  Lose a home, in-conference game to a nobody, and then your starting QB chokes during your biggest non-conference rivalry, and has to be pulled for a freshman??  What gives?

I don't care what kind of spin Coach Hilvert wants to put on it, TM is not peaking at the right time.  The nearly non existent competition in the PAC will come back to haunt TM this week.

I actually think these two teams are even... with the freshman QB, Magness.  Without his contributions, they'll have empty offensive possessions that have plagued the team the last 3 weeks+.  They need to fix the defensive line (which probably won't happen until next year when they get two of their starters back there).  Without the new QB, I'd say TMC without a doubt would have issues scoring enough points to keep up.  Just my observation.  With him, the offense clicked and they were able to come back and win a rivalry game that WAS Mount St Joe's playoff game.  At their place. 

I think this game this week is too close to call.  Should be a shootout. 

I also would compare the two conferences like this... BOTH full of bad teams.  If a shutout loss at Whitewater means Franklin played a tougher schedule, then so be it.  Both teams have had to play the entire season with each team taking their best shot at them.  And just because Thomas More won 26 conference games in a row doesn't mean the conference is especially weak.  The Waynesburg team we saw two weeks ago would be just behind Franklin in the Heartland standings.

Franklin has their issues as well with injuries on defense line, LB, and DB  (three starters out for season) and our top WR was lost during the UWW game.  Fortunately FC recruits well every year and is pretty deep.  The new guys are playing well.  Thomas More will be a good opponent and the close proximaty should  allow for a solid visitor crowd.  Shoot me a PM Saints Fan and we will be glad to hoist a beverage or two with you before the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).

I don't think you'll see a whole lot of smashmouth football from Thomas More.  They run the spread option from shotgun, utilizing motion.  Its a unique offense.  They have a 220 lb running back and three speedsters on the attack.  Even the 220 lb'er was able to run away from the defense on his 58 yard TD run up the middle last week.  Its more speed than power.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2011, 03:51:07 PM

Of course the prize for winning is a trip to Whitewater which doesn't seem like that great of a prize ;)

Agreed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
BTW --- Adam Sayer says to tell everyone hello.  He asked me to congratulate the Franklin Grizzlies on their HCAC Title and potential run in the tournament. 

He also thinks this will be a great game on Saturday --- with a final score of 33-30. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).

I don't think you'll see a whole lot of smashmouth football from Thomas More.  They run the spread option from shotgun, utilizing motion.  Its a unique offense.  They have a 220 lb running back and three speedsters on the attack.  Even the 220 lb'er was able to run away from the defense on his 58 yard TD run up the middle last week.  Its more speed than power.

Rumor has it Franklin might put the ball in the air.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 11:13:21 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).

I don't think you'll see a whole lot of smashmouth football from Thomas More.  They run the spread option from shotgun, utilizing motion.  Its a unique offense.  They have a 220 lb running back and three speedsters on the attack.  Even the 220 lb'er was able to run away from the defense on his 58 yard TD run up the middle last week.  Its more speed than power.

Rumor has it Franklin might put the ball in the air.  ;D

Yeah, I have heard from trusted sources that they do that pretty well too --- they are definitely a big test for the young TMC defense.  Hopefully our All-American safety can get his hand in on some plays.  TMC has young, but good sized and athletic DBs... but stress the young part.  They'll need to force some turnovers for shizzle. 

*Trusted sources = word of mouth from all the experts on the HCAC page and knowledge of FC's offense from the days when Hanover used it///Chad Rupp going beast mode a couple years back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 15, 2011, 11:24:33 AM
Does anyone else get the feeling that this game could turn into a shootout?

I do however pick Franklin to win and to make a return trip to UWW this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).

I don't think you'll see a whole lot of smashmouth football from Thomas More.  They run the spread option from shotgun, utilizing motion.  Its a unique offense.  They have a 220 lb running back and three speedsters on the attack.  Even the 220 lb'er was able to run away from the defense on his 58 yard TD run up the middle last week.  Its more speed than power.

Rumor has it Franklin might put the ball in the air.  ;D

Some #$#$%^ gave me -K today.  What the heck??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 11:13:21 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).

I don't think you'll see a whole lot of smashmouth football from Thomas More.  They run the spread option from shotgun, utilizing motion.  Its a unique offense.  They have a 220 lb running back and three speedsters on the attack.  Even the 220 lb'er was able to run away from the defense on his 58 yard TD run up the middle last week.  Its more speed than power.

Rumor has it Franklin might put the ball in the air.  ;D

Yeah, I have heard from trusted sources that they do that pretty well too --- they are definitely a big test for the young TMC defense.  Hopefully our All-American safety can get his hand in on some plays.  TMC has young, but good sized and athletic DBs... but stress the young part.  They'll need to force some turnovers for shizzle. 

*Trusted sources = word of mouth from all the experts on the HCAC page and knowledge of FC's offense from the days when Hanover used it///Chad Rupp going beast mode a couple years back.

However, 200 plus rushing yards a game the last three weeks may make Coach Leonard want to switch to the Wing T.  LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on November 15, 2011, 03:07:28 PM


However, 200 plus rushing yards a game the last three weeks may make Coach Leonard want to switch to the Wing T.  LOL
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I doubt you will ever see that happen. ;D

Here is some K+ for you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A road trip on Thanksgiving weekend and another opportunity to grill meat in a parking lot and swill carbonated malt and barley beverages is a great prize.  I am looking forward to see FC play a team that will require 60 minutes of old fashioned smashmouth.  Unfortunately the HCAC doesnt provide that opportunity very often (except MSJ can play smashmouth, just not 60 minutes worth  ;)).

I don't think you'll see a whole lot of smashmouth football from Thomas More.  They run the spread option from shotgun, utilizing motion.  Its a unique offense.  They have a 220 lb running back and three speedsters on the attack.  Even the 220 lb'er was able to run away from the defense on his 58 yard TD run up the middle last week.  Its more speed than power.

Rumor has it Franklin might put the ball in the air.  ;D

Some #$#$%^ gave me -K today.  What the heck??

Stupid question here, but how does one give a -K or +K?  And, how did SaintsFan ever accumulate that much Karma?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
Stupid question here, but how does one give a -K or +K?  And, how did SaintsFan ever accumulate that much Karma?
I wondered that too since I couldn't find anything saying how... but apparently you have to have at least 200 posts then you'll be able to "applaud" or "smite" under where the karma is listed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
Stupid question here, but how does one give a -K or +K?  And, how did SaintsFan ever accumulate that much Karma?

Not quite sure how its accumulated... everyone loves the dunce, I guess
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2011, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
Stupid question here, but how does one give a -K or +K?  And, how did SaintsFan ever accumulate that much Karma?
I wondered that too since I couldn't find anything saying how... but apparently you have to have at least 200 posts then you'll be able to "applaud" or "smite" under where the karma is listed

200 posts grants the privilege to applaud (+k) or smite (-k).  And you can only applaud/smite once every 24 hours on any specific poster.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
Stupid question here, but how does one give a -K or +K?  And, how did SaintsFan ever accumulate that much Karma?

Not quite sure how its accumulated... everyone loves the dunce, I guess

Maybe you and Sayer give each other +K once a day for good measure. (except on Bridge Bowl day)  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2011, 06:30:05 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 15, 2011, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2011, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:14 PM
Stupid question here, but how does one give a -K or +K?  And, how did SaintsFan ever accumulate that much Karma?

Not quite sure how its accumulated... everyone loves the dunce, I guess

Maybe you and Sayer give each other +K once a day for good measure. (except on Bridge Bowl day)  ;D

ha... no.  You guys should hear the story of how I met Sayer (showed him and a classmate around our campus on gameday my senior year -- after my season-ending injury) and then when I saw him next he was playing for MSJ against us at Mariemont and blocked someone into our bench area... and we were talking i'sh to eachother.  And then on here.  Kid has come a long way... now if we can just get him a legit coaching job.....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: propower64 on November 16, 2011, 07:33:11 AM
Franklin Fans or anyone else that wants to be a Franklin Fan for the day.  Our Touchdown Club Tailgate will be in the same spot as always.  Food line opens at 10:00am with a few breakfast items added to the food buffet for this weekend.  An other HCAC Fans are welcome to come and join in our fun. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 18, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..

This will be a good game. Going with Franklin to win, 28 - 17.

- Franklin playing at home - has to be worth something.
- Thomas More QB situation (freshman starter, Kues reportedly left the team) at the worst time possible.
- Franklin is not going to run away with it, as the Saints' D appears solid against the pass, and Franklin hasn't established a stout running game this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2011, 02:51:48 PM
Could be addition by subtraction, though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2011, 02:51:48 PM
Could be addition by subtraction, though.

absolutely.  I'm sure they'll rally around the kid.  He has the ability.  I'm just glad his first start isn't happening against a MHB or Wesley or Whitewater.  Not that Franklin won't bring their A-game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..
Add in the Fan Poll which averaged out to take Franklin 30-24... including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
In the National Pick 'Em the tally is 8-2 in favor of Franklin at the moment (surprising to me... thought it'd be one of the most even)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 18, 2011, 04:22:15 PM
I am pretty excited about the TMC vs FC game!  I really think the committee did a great job with this one.  Of course I'm pulling for the HCAC team because of their affiliation and because I would like to see how they do with a second go around with Whitewater. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..
Add in the Fan Poll which averaged out to take Franklin 30-24... including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
In the National Pick 'Em the tally is 8-2 in favor of Franklin at the moment (surprising to me... thought it'd be one of the most even)

TMC is the underdog.  Freshman QB making 1st start (even with the addition by subtraction thing) and on the road at Franklin.  I couldn't believe the stat though... TMC has never won a playoff game on the road and Franklin hasn't won at home.  Steal a line from the experts ... "something has to give".

Have fun to everyone at the game.  I'll be getting texted updates as I move.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2011, 01:40:22 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 04:38:07 PM
TMC has never won a playoff game on the road and Franklin hasn't won at home.
Franklin is 2-1 on the road and 0-2 at home in the playoffs...
2007 Franklin lost on a final play TD at home vs NCC
2008 Franklin won @ Otterbein and @ NCC as the 5 seed then lost at home to 7th seed Wheaton
2010 Franklin lost @ UWW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 07:27:56 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 18, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..

This will be a good game. Going with Franklin to win, 28 - 17.

- Franklin playing at home - has to be worth something.
- Thomas More QB situation (freshman starter, Kues reportedly left the team) at the worst time possible.
- Franklin is not going to run away with it, as the Saints' D appears solid against the pass, and Franklin hasn't established a stout running game this season.

It was stout last week at Hanover!   LOL   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 08:16:14 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..
Add in the Fan Poll which averaged out to take Franklin 30-24... including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
In the National Pick 'Em the tally is 8-2 in favor of Franklin at the moment (surprising to me... thought it'd be one of the most even)

TMC is the underdog.  Freshman QB making 1st start (even with the addition by subtraction thing) and on the road at Franklin.  I couldn't believe the stat though... TMC has never won a playoff game on the road and Franklin hasn't won at home.  Steal a line from the experts ... "something has to give".

Have fun to everyone at the game.  I'll be getting texted updates as I move.

Should be a fun game.  Nice to have a game that makes you nervous all week.  First game all season for FC where the outcome could not reasonably be predicted well in advance.  I am going to predict a three point game either way. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 19, 2011, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 07:27:56 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 18, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Ryan's take: Thomas More 33, Franklin 30
Keith's take: Franklin 35, Thomas More 21
Pat's take: Thomas More 34, Franklin 28


**if there were 4 of them, I'm sure it'd be 2/2 --- though Keith usually picks against TMC (see W&L in week 12 last year and W&J in previous years)... but we still love him.

Love ya Keith..

This will be a good game. Going with Franklin to win, 28 - 17.

- Franklin playing at home - has to be worth something.
- Thomas More QB situation (freshman starter, Kues reportedly left the team) at the worst time possible.
- Franklin is not going to run away with it, as the Saints' D appears solid against the pass, and Franklin hasn't established a stout running game this season.

It was stout last week at Hanover!   LOL    ;D

Unfortunately, we had a way of making some opposing offenses look that way!!  Best of luck to the Griz today!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 19, 2011, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 18, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
...
- Franklin is not going to run away with it, as the Saints' D appears solid against the pass, and Franklin hasn't established a stout running game this season.

In the first half of the game TMC is getting schooled by Franklin.  A lot of game left though...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
Congrats to Franklin for moving on to the second round!  Time for a rematch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
Can I claim that was a typo and I meant to type 2s rather than 3s? ::)
Was hoping it'd stay a bit more one sided like the first half but at least they held on. I have a feeling this won't be the last time TMC and FC meet in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
Can I claim that was a typo and I meant to type 2s rather than 3s? ::)
Was hoping it'd stay a bit more one sided like the first half but at least they held on. I have a feeling this won't be the last time TMC and FC meet in the playoffs.

Game was closer than it should have been.  FC got fooled on wildcat play on 4th and 2 from the FC 6 for a TD and gave  up a punt return TD.  TMC really mounted no lengthy drives.  Surprised at the lack of size in TMC in relation to their record and ranking. Quick team though.  Hard to win with a new QB.  Franklin took away the option for the most part and the FC defense was the difference.  Griz have a rough one coming up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on November 19, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
Can I claim that was a typo and I meant to type 2s rather than 3s? ::)
Was hoping it'd stay a bit more one sided like the first half but at least they held on. I have a feeling this won't be the last time TMC and FC meet in the playoffs.

Game was closer than it should have been.  FC got fooled on wildcat play on 4th and 2 from the FC 6 for a TD and gave  up a punt return TD.  TMC really mounted no lengthy drives.  Surprised at the lack of size in TMC in relation to their record and ranking. Quick team though.  Hard to win with a new QB.  Franklin took away the option for the most part and the FC defense was the difference.  Griz have a rough one coming up.

How was being fooled by a fake field goal possible when Franklin called a timeout TMC came out in the same formation had to wait close to a minute while the refs got things right with the clock while TMC was still in fake FG formation and then preceded to run the same play as what they were doing when FC called a timeout???? If Franklin was fooled it must of meant the whole FC coaching staff was blindfolded and guessed to call a timeout before that play.  Also a 95 yard punt return was called back on TMC (on from what I saw the worst fake block in the back call in the history of football) and that drive failed to score points, so there was 7 more points.  It was a great game! I have been around HCAC football since 2000 and that was one of the best games yet!!! But that spot given to FC on the QB sneak was horrible, hate to see a hard fought game come down to a fbad call like that.  Should of been fourth down with FC going for it on fourth down to win it or punt it and seen what the freshman QB had in him! I would love to see FC and TMC play more often, think it would help both programs tremendously!!! Both teams are soooooo young and loaded for next year, both could be really good.  Wish the whole game was played like the second half because that was some great football!  But good luck to FC against the machine UWW! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: maxamillion on November 19, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2011, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
including my vote of 34-31 Franklin.
Can I claim that was a typo and I meant to type 2s rather than 3s? ::)
Was hoping it'd stay a bit more one sided like the first half but at least they held on. I have a feeling this won't be the last time TMC and FC meet in the playoffs.

Game was closer than it should have been.  FC got fooled on wildcat play on 4th and 2 from the FC 6 for a TD and gave  up a punt return TD.  TMC really mounted no lengthy drives.  Surprised at the lack of size in TMC in relation to their record and ranking. Quick team though.  Hard to win with a new QB.  Franklin took away the option for the most part and the FC defense was the difference.  Griz have a rough one coming up.

How was being fooled by a fake field goal possible when Franklin called a timeout TMC came out in the same formation had to wait close to a minute while the refs got things right with the clock while TMC was still in fake FG formation and then preceded to run the same play as what they were doing when FC called a timeout???? If Franklin was fooled it must of meant the whole FC coaching staff was blindfolded and guessed to call a timeout before that play.  Also a 95 yard punt return was called back on TMC (on from what I saw the worst fake block in the back call in the history of football) and that drive failed to score points, so there was 7 more points.  It was a great game! I have been around HCAC football since 2000 and that was one of the best games yet!!! But that spot given to FC on the QB sneak was horrible, hate to see a hard fought game come down to a fbad call like that.  Should of been fourth down with FC going for it on fourth down to win it or punt it and seen what the freshman QB had in him! I would love to see FC and TMC play more often, think it would help both programs tremendously!!! Both teams are soooooo young and loaded for next year, both could be really good.  Wish the whole game was played like the second half because that was some great football!  But good luck to FC against the machine UWW!

Too bad FC cant get out of the home and away contract with Mt Union the next two seasons and play TMC.  Both teams return most of their starters.  It was an exciting second half.  The officiating did seem suspect at times for both teams.  FC got called on a sideline "warning".  No warning just a penalty. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarhawkDad on November 21, 2011, 12:05:05 PM
Hello Franklin Fans

First a Thank-you for the hospitality you showed those of us from UWW who came down for the non-conference game earlier this year.  You know how to do it right!   Second, Congratulations on the first round playoff win!  Well-done.

Now, I am interested in knowing how you think playing UWW earlier this year will impact the game this Saturday?  It appears that you rolled through your Conference season.  Just trying to get some discussion going.   

WarhawkDad
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 21, 2011, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: WarhawkDad on November 21, 2011, 12:05:05 PM
Hello Franklin Fans

First a Thank-you for the hospitality you showed those of us from UWW who came down for the non-conference game earlier this year.  You know how to do it right!   Second, Congratulations on the first round playoff win!  Well-done.

Now, I am interested in knowing how you think playing UWW earlier this year will impact the game this Saturday?  It appears that you rolled through your Conference season.  Just trying to get some discussion going.   

WarhawkDad

Realistically, having played UWW may help some but having the horses at every position to pull off a win is not likely.  Franklin has improved a lot since early September, but I doubt UWW has remained stagnant either.  UWW plays a good schedule and is still the best team in the country until someone else knocks them off. Our contingent that makes the trip will have fun regardless.  Always fun to keep grilling and drinking in the lot!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Congratulations to Franklin.  We are now Grizz fans --- good luck against The Machine 2...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 21, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime

=

Quote from: MasterJedi on November 21, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
If UWW plays the way they did against Albion this Saturday it could easily turn into another 45-0 shelacking but I honestly don't see that happening. Franklin is too good of a team to let that happen again. I see the score being somewhere between 31-10 and 45-17. Close enough game in the first half before UWW pulls away to win comfortably in the second.

Franklin should have a good team next year. Their QB will have experience which should help a lot.

Or they almost equal each other.  :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 22, 2011, 10:20:06 AM
I started a WIAC football blog earlier in the season. Now that the post season is in full swing, I have doing a little write-up about each of Whitewater's playoffs opponents, starting with last week.

Franklin Grizzlies (http://www.wiacfootball.blogspot.com/)

Let me know what you think, and if everything is accurate.

Also, I have one question. I noticed a TON of Franklin players on the HCAC team, especially on defense. But I was surprised to read on where they rank in the conference in yards given up.....what might attribute to that?? I would assume there's more to it than just the Whitewater game earlier in the year.

Much appreciated
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 22, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 22, 2011, 10:20:06 AM
I started a WIAC football blog earlier in the season. Now that the post season is in full swing, I have doing a little write-up about each of Whitewater's playoffs opponents, starting with last week.

Franklin Grizzlies (http://www.wiacfootball.blogspot.com/)

Let me know what you think, and if everything is accurate.

Also, I have one question. I noticed a TON of Franklin players on the HCAC team, especially on defense. But I was surprised to read on where they rank in the conference in yards given up.....what might attribute to that?? I would assume there's more to it than just the Whitewater game earlier in the year.

Much appreciated

Article looked accurate. nice props on the tailgating.  Might not be as many folks this year due to recent games with UWW, etc.  Just a feeling.  (check your spelling  seams?)  You might also want to consider a little diplomacy related to the rest of the HCAC, etc and FC's defense. (A little flip IMO). 

As far as defensive stats go, keep in mind that FC tends to let the second and third string guys in early and some of our opponents keep the starters in until late in the game.  Stats can be interpreted many ways.  UWW and UMU tend to have second string folks nearly as good as the starters thus limited drop off.  Secondly, teams that throw a lot and score quickly give up more yards as the opponents get the ball more often. 

"Mediocre" is in the eye of the beholder.  I don't think Hanover or Mt St Joseph (2nd and 3rd best HCAC teams) found the FC defense to be anything but pretty stout nor did Thomas More. Thomas More scored 14 points all game against the FC defense.   (the other TD was a punt return)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 22, 2011, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 22, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 22, 2011, 10:20:06 AM
I started a WIAC football blog earlier in the season. Now that the post season is in full swing, I have doing a little write-up about each of Whitewater's playoffs opponents, starting with last week.

Franklin Grizzlies (http://www.wiacfootball.blogspot.com/)

Let me know what you think, and if everything is accurate.

Also, I have one question. I noticed a TON of Franklin players on the HCAC team, especially on defense. But I was surprised to read on where they rank in the conference in yards given up.....what might attribute to that?? I would assume there's more to it than just the Whitewater game earlier in the year.

Much appreciated

Article looked accurate. nice props on the tailgating.  Might not be as many folks this year due to recent games with UWW, etc.  Just a feeling.  (check your spelling  seams?)  You might also want to consider a little diplomacy related to the rest of the HCAC, etc and FC's defense. (A little flip IMO). 

As far as defensive stats go, keep in mind that FC tends to let the second and third string guys in early and some of our opponents keep the starters in until late in the game.  Stats can be interpreted many ways.  UWW and UMU tend to have second string folks nearly as good as the starters thus limited drop off.  Secondly, teams that throw a lot and score quickly give up more yards as the opponents get the ball more often. 

"Mediocre" is in the eye of the beholder.  I don't think Hanover or Mt St Joseph (2nd and 3rd best HCAC teams) found the FC defense to be anything but pretty stout nor did Thomas More. Thomas More scored 14 points all game against the FC defense.   (the other TD was a punt return)

fair enough...thanks for the feeback
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi401.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp91%2Fdonnieschinalatina21%2Ftumbleweed.jpg&hash=4e0850f25bafa0d3c8c853c9d6ffe6e65f139fee)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi401.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp91%2Fdonnieschinalatina21%2Ftumbleweed.jpg&hash=4e0850f25bafa0d3c8c853c9d6ffe6e65f139fee)

While it is undeniably true that both teams are somewhat different than in September, a replay of a 45-0 game can tend to put a damper on 'chatter'. :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi401.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp91%2Fdonnieschinalatina21%2Ftumbleweed.jpg&hash=4e0850f25bafa0d3c8c853c9d6ffe6e65f139fee)

While it is undeniably true that both teams are somewhat different than in September, a replay of a 45-0 game can tend to put a damper on 'chatter'. :P

Not a lot to say  Unlike the Wabash contingent FC folks don't live in fantasy land.  (Bash folks let the -k reign)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2011, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi401.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp91%2Fdonnieschinalatina21%2Ftumbleweed.jpg&hash=4e0850f25bafa0d3c8c853c9d6ffe6e65f139fee)

While it is undeniably true that both teams are somewhat different than in September, a replay of a 45-0 game can tend to put a damper on 'chatter'. :P

I can state this:  our group that has tailgated together beginning with the blue/gold scrimmage. scrimmage with Depauw, and every game this season. we will be there.  We are all about a road trip, cocktails, and having a good time.  And if a football game breaks out in Whitewater we will be there for that too.  LOL  good food, good drink, and good friends.  football is an excuse. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2011, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

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While it is undeniably true that both teams are somewhat different than in September, a replay of a 45-0 game can tend to put a damper on 'chatter'. :P

I can state this:  our group that has tailgated together beginning with the blue/gold scrimmage. scrimmage with Depauw, and every game this season. we will be there.  We are all about a road trip, cocktails, and having a good time.  And if a football game breaks out in Whitewater we will be there for that too.  LOL  good food, good drink, and good friends.  football is an excuse.

I like your attitude!  +k ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarhawkDad on November 24, 2011, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2011, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

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While it is undeniably true that both teams are somewhat different than in September, a replay of a 45-0 game can tend to put a damper on 'chatter'. :P

I can state this:  our group that has tailgated together beginning with the blue/gold scrimmage. scrimmage with Depauw, and every game this season. we will be there.  We are all about a road trip, cocktails, and having a good time.  And if a football game breaks out in Whitewater we will be there for that too.  LOL  good food, good drink, and good friends.  football is an excuse.

I like your attitude!  +k ;D
Agreed! +k
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 25, 2011, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 23, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
Not a whole lot of chatter about the UWW/Franklin game on either one of our boards.

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While it is undeniably true that both teams are somewhat different than in September, a replay of a 45-0 game can tend to put a damper on 'chatter'. :P

Not a lot to say  Unlike the Wabash contingent FC folks don't live in fantasy land.  (Bash folks let the -k reign)

I have to agree. I think Wabash is going to get smoked.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime

C'mon FCGG.  You guys have to be able to win in a DREAM!  You must have some 02 Warhawk in you!  ;D

I'm just envious you dreamed about the game. I usually just dream I'm doing a presentation and I completely forgot what I was going to talk about or something.  I used to occasionally dream I was playing football again. Those were the best! But I think even my sub-conscious has conceded it's not happening!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 25, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 25, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime

C'mon FCGG.  You guys have to be able to win in a DREAM!  You must have some 02 Warhawk in you!  ;D


Then they would only worry an awful lot!!  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 25, 2011, 11:00:09 AM
Watch it you two. I'm in the office today.....So I know exactly what's being said on these boards.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 25, 2011, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 25, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime

C'mon FCGG.  You guys have to be able to win in a DREAM!  You must have some 02 Warhawk in you!  ;D

I'm just envious you dreamed about the game. I usually just dream I'm doing a presentation and I completely forgot what I was going to talk about or something.  I used to occasionally dream I was playing football again. Those were the best! But I think even my sub-conscious has conceded it's not happening!

I have that dream too- only I'm in my underwear making that presentation. I hate that dream.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarhawkDad on November 25, 2011, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 25, 2011, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 25, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime

C'mon FCGG.  You guys have to be able to win in a DREAM!  You must have some 02 Warhawk in you!  ;D

I'm just envious you dreamed about the game. I usually just dream I'm doing a presentation and I completely forgot what I was going to talk about or something.  I used to occasionally dream I was playing football again. Those were the best! But I think even my sub-conscious has conceded it's not happening!

I have that dream too- only I'm in my underwear making that presentation. I hate that dream.
At least your in your underwear!   :o LOL  8-)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 26, 2011, 02:59:49 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 23, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
Not a lot to say  Unlike the Wabash contingent FC folks don't live in fantasy land.  (Bash folks let the -k reign)

A excerpt from the forthcoming novel, "Life's Observations from a Johnson County, Double-Wide", G_B?  ;D

With reputable revelations of DC's latest immersion offering, Politically-Accepted Thuggery, envy reigns supreme that at least Franklin offers Leonard and a palatable gridiron product.  ;)  Good Luck at the "Perk" today.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2011, 11:59:13 AM
I've long ago figured out that the best way to approach things is "Hope for the best, expect the worst" that way you don't get crushed when the worst happens. So while I'll be rooting the Grizzlies on all afternoon with the hope they can pull off the upset, based on the previous two meetings I'm not expecting it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 26, 2011, 01:01:04 PM
And begin! Lets do this with no injuries!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2011, 01:57:50 PM
At least Franklin won't be shutout this time. Franklin has been regularly moving the ball into Whitewater territory but turnovers have stalled drives.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime
A bit higher score at halftime than I thought, but nailed the final score. Good season Grizzlies. We've still got 2 more years of Jonny West and he's only going to improve.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 26, 2011, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime
A bit higher score at halftime than I thought, but nailed the final score. Good season Grizzlies. We've still got 2 more years of Jonny West and he's only going to improve.

You guys are need to improve your lines and I think you can contend. Better lines will allow you to have a better rushing game and slow down your opponents. With that I think Franklin could contend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2011, 03:57:24 PM
You guys are going to be alright. I'm listening to your coach in the post-game press conference. He's intelligent, is doing all the right things, has a plan, and is going to succeed. You can tell he loves where he is, loves his players, and speaks with respect. Mount Union is your next game. I think that speaks well for what he is trying to do with Franklin. Wish you guys well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 26, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
As always, Coach Leonard was the epitome of class in the post-game press conference. Just like last year, I came away from the game impressed with the quality of people in the Franklin program. I will continue to follow the Griz and root for them when they don't play UW-W.  Congratulations on a great season!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 26, 2011, 11:44:44 PM
Great season GRIZ!  Tough loss against an absolutely great team.  Some nice moments today. FC made some plays. Moved the ball well at times and played solid defense for a good portion.  FC made a lot of strides today. Young team with a lot to look forward to in 2011.  UWW is a class act btw.  Good luck to the Warhawks the rest of the way
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 27, 2011, 09:55:51 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I had a dream where Franklin led most of the game against UWW... but Whitewater scored a TD with 1 second left and won 44-42.  :-\
Realistically I don't think the game will be quite as bad as earlier in the year now that our QB has more experience and confidence, but I doubt it will be as close as I dreamed. Probably something like 41-14 but only 17-7 at halftime
A bit higher score at halftime than I thought, but nailed the final score. Good season Grizzlies. We've still got 2 more years of Jonny West and he's only going to improve.

I was really impressed with him in the first half. On numerous occasions, from in the stands, I heard the snapping noise of the ball popping into the WRs hands... he has a cannon of an arm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 28, 2011, 12:05:42 PM
Congrats on a great season Franklin

Will be interesting to see how Wabash does at Mt. Union.  They've shown some signs of mortality this year so maybe the Little Giants have a shot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Buzz on December 21, 2011, 11:35:05 AM
Big news out of Defiance College, with the hiring of Thomas More's offensive coordinator, Brian Sheehan, as the new head coach for the Yellow Jackets. Full release up on the DC site with an introduction video from Sheehan - http://www.defianceathletics.com/news/default/86/1876/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fat_old_LB on December 21, 2011, 03:10:35 PM
Coach Sheehan is a great coach, young motivated and innovative.  I cant wait to see how he handles being the Head coach for the first time!  I was a BW Yellow Jacket, so Im already cheering for the Jackets, might as well add another set of jackets to the group to cheer for!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 21, 2011, 05:24:49 PM
its not the x's and o's ---- its the Jimmy's and Joe's...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 24, 2011, 03:13:54 AM
To All, "Geseende Kersfees en 'n voorspoedige Nuwe Jaar.  Gesondheit!" from Botswana.  Safe travels, good health, and Merry Christmas.

Thanks for the entertainment this past year!

c2b - gen. mgr., Bev and Bob's Batswana Bed, Breakfast, and Beer Bordello
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 10, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
congrats to Defiance's old head coach and 2 time HCAC coach of the year Greg Pscodna for being named Alma's HC today
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on January 11, 2012, 04:05:47 PM
Good stuff to hear about P!  I am positive you will do very well there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2012, 06:24:48 AM
Going to be a lot of new faces leading the HCAC next year. We already heard about the Defiance change, now there's a couple more changes to report with Anderson and Hanover.

http://www.anderson.edu/w/news/2012/anderson-university-hires-ladner-as-head-football-coach
http://www.hanover.edu/athletics/news?a=2898
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on February 16, 2012, 08:16:21 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2012, 06:24:48 AM
Going to be a lot of new faces leading the HCAC next year. We already heard about the Defiance change, now there's a couple more changes to report with Anderson and Hanover.

http://www.anderson.edu/w/news/2012/anderson-university-hires-ladner-as-head-football-coach
http://www.hanover.edu/athletics/news?a=2898

I believe Earlham is working on a new HC as well.  With that, 4 of the 9 teams have a new head coach for the 2012 season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 03, 2012, 06:15:00 PM
That is a huge HC turnover for just one season. should make for some interesting football in 2012.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 17, 2012, 09:44:54 AM
wow -- does anyone remember this guy at MSJ?

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120316/NEWS/303160126/Accused-soldier-has-local-ties?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on March 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on March 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.

That is so true! It is a huge relief to make that commitment and finally have some fun(at least until camp starts) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on March 21, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on March 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.

That is so true! It is a huge relief to make that commitment and finally have some fun(at least until camp starts) ;D


A relief for sure! Coach Leonard made such a good impression on us right from the start. We have heard nothing but great things about him from everyone. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 21, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on March 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.

That is so true! It is a huge relief to make that commitment and finally have some fun(at least until camp starts) ;D


A relief for sure! Coach Leonard made such a good impression on us right from the start. We have heard nothing but great things about him from everyone.

Good luck to your son!! it seems like only yesterday, we visited North Central and my son made his committment. Enjoy-- the four years fly-we have one left and hoping for a very good one. Keep us posted on his progress.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on March 21, 2012, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 21, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on March 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.

That is so true! It is a huge relief to make that commitment and finally have some fun(at least until camp starts) ;D


A relief for sure! Coach Leonard made such a good impression on us right from the start. We have heard nothing but great things about him from everyone.

Good luck to your son!! it seems like only yesterday, we visited North Central and my son made his committment. Enjoy-- the four years fly-we have one left and hoping for a very good one. Keep us posted on his progress.

Thank You.  We were actually at the Wabash vs North Central playoff game on a Wabash visit. What a game that was!!! Good luck to you guys during your sons senior season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on March 21, 2012, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Congrats on your son's choice. Our youngest son graduated from there in 2008. We still make the trip up north to catch some of the football and baseball games. We also play in the football homecoming golf scramble every year.

Coach Leonard and coach Theobald are both great. Wish your son the best of luck in both football and his education.

Go Grizz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 21, 2012, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 21, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 21, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on March 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on March 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.

That is so true! It is a huge relief to make that commitment and finally have some fun(at least until camp starts) ;D
It was a great game for Wabash-not so much for NC. And to add insult to injury, on the way home, I slow down for a deer that ran in front of my car. A second one slammed into my door and took out the mirror.  >:( ;D

A relief for sure! Coach Leonard made such a good impression on us right from the start. We have heard nothing but great things about him from everyone.

Good luck to your son!! it seems like only yesterday, we visited North Central and my son made his committment. Enjoy-- the four years fly-we have one left and hoping for a very good one. Keep us posted on his progress.

Thank You.  We were actually at the Wabash vs North Central playoff game on a Wabash visit. What a game that was!!! Good luck to you guys during your sons senior season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
Gofor7pitt

Welcome to the Franklin family. My son is a Jr there next season. Where you guys from?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on March 29, 2012, 06:22:00 PM
Quote from: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
Gofor7pitt

Welcome to the Franklin family. My son is a Jr there next season. Where you guys from?


Up north in Warsaw, In. NLC Conference, same conference current Grizzly Zack Corpe played in at Elkhart Memorial.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
Should have Zack back and healthy next season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on March 29, 2012, 09:31:31 PM
Quote from: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
Should have Zack back and healthy next season.

That is is very good news for a great football player!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Look forward to meeting you this fall. We will be in an rv close to the front gate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on March 29, 2012, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Look forward to meeting you this fall. We will be in an rv close to the front gate.

Same here! We are an Irish family that has tailgated at ND for years, but is now moving the festivities to Franklin for the next 4 years. I hear you guys have a very good tailgate scene supporting the team. We look forward to becoming part of it!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on March 29, 2012, 10:10:29 PM
Franklin has been named the number one tailgate school in D-3 football. So yeah we have our fun.
Title: Earlham College HC
Post by: Thunder44 on April 11, 2012, 09:05:26 AM
Fresh off the wire -

Earlham College (D-III - IN): We learned tonight that Marian University (NAIA - IN) defensive backs coach Neil Kazmierczak has accepted the head coaching position at Earlham.

With this hire, it looks like all the coaching vacancies in the HCAC have been filled.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on April 11, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
Thanks for the update!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 16, 2012, 05:09:39 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/recruiting/2012/04/16/glen-este-football-player-commits-to-defiance-college/
Title: Re: Earlham College HC
Post by: DPU3619 on April 17, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on April 11, 2012, 09:05:26 AM
Fresh off the wire -

Earlham College (D-III - IN): We learned tonight that Marian University (NAIA - IN) defensive backs coach Neil Kazmierczak has accepted the head coaching position at Earlham.

Was at Butler before Marian. Spent a few years as the Defensive Coordinator at DePauw under Nick Mourouzis & Bill Lynch. I worked with him personally at DePauw. Great guy. Good coach. I wish him the best, because I think we all know what kind of battle he has ahead of him.
Title: Re: Earlham College HC
Post by: Thunder44 on April 20, 2012, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on April 17, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on April 11, 2012, 09:05:26 AM
Fresh off the wire -

Earlham College (D-III - IN): We learned tonight that Marian University (NAIA - IN) defensive backs coach Neil Kazmierczak has accepted the head coaching position at Earlham.

Was at Butler before Marian. Spent a few years as the Defensive Coordinator at DePauw under Nick Mourouzis & Bill Lynch. I worked with him personally at DePauw. Great guy. Good coach. I wish him the best, because I think we all know what kind of battle he has ahead of him.

It will be difficult to get a good read on his efforts this season, as he essentially missed the entire recruiting season.  I am sure he hit it hard when he got on board, but with the search for an AD and then the HC announcement, Earlham was behind the 8 ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 20, 2012, 06:05:12 PM
I agree.  I'm not sure I understand why Earlham did it this way.  Understandably, the administration wanted to take the appropriate time in the selection process to choose the right people for these two positions (AD and Head Football Coach) rather than "rush through" this as some colleges seem to do. However, unless these open positions just occurred - and from what I understood from the article, that was not the situation- it seems to me it would have been better to have this decision made much sooner as you mention.  Although we all know that any coach and his staff are essentially at the "mercy" of what the admissions staff eventually "gives" them in regards to those recruits they submit for consideration, on the other hand, it is obviously a better situation when a coach has his own list of those who they are submitting for consideration as student-athletes to be accepted for admission to the college. For sure, those holdover coaches from the previous staff (if there are and/or will be any) have had a part in the recruiting process, howeve, it just isn't the same.

So Kazmierczak will have to work with what he gets, although there is still the opportunity to get some late additions.  Being that he played at a DI school and even though this is his first HC job, being involved at the DIII level for a long time as he has certainly should be a plus for him compared to others who have not had as many years of experience.  We'll see what happens.  I wish him all the best as he starts this new era of the program at Earlham.  Of the numerous coaching changes in DIII that have been made, most were completed quite some time ago, although obviously there have been some recent late additions.  Yet, at the same time, again I'm puzzled as why they did it this way, especially after they had announced high commitment for improvements to the overall program as reasons being partly involved for the decision to move to the HCAC. :o :D  Strange and as has been mentioned, this may make Earlham still "behind the 8 ball" for awhile yet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2012, 06:13:20 PM
Our coaching carousel story on Earlham's hiring notes the position had been open since November.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/coaching-carousel
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 20, 2012, 06:46:59 PM
Pat:
Yeah, after making my post, I had checked your "Coaching Carousel" (and Earlham's athletic website too) and indeed what you reported is longer than what I recalled.  Again, which makes it puzzling it took them essentially 5 months to complete the process.  That is the complete "other side of the spectrum" in comparing how Olivet College (MI) made their selection in less than a month -a little over two weeks, which is, IMO, a little too fast. :o ::) ;D  Then again, "to each his own" as that saying goes! :D

BTW, what do you think about the news of us (Hope) finally getting the new synthetic turf? :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 22, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.

Pat:

You are absolutely right since Hope is/was woefully "behind the times" with most DIII schools in regards to obtaining synthetic turf for football (even though we've had it now for 2 1/2 years for soccer and lacrosse).  I wasn't asking the question to you in regards to it being "noteworthy" (because it is only really noteworthy to Hope football people, our alumni and our MIAA), but rather I posed it to you more for your own opinion for something somewhere along the lines of..."well, it's about time". ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2012, 12:34:47 AM
I guess that's kind of the answer you got. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 25, 2012, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.

Pat:

You are absolutely right since Hope is/was woefully "behind the times" with most DIII schools in regards to obtaining synthetic turf for football (even though we've had it now for 2 1/2 years for soccer and lacrosse).  I wasn't asking the question to you in regards to it being "noteworthy" (because it is only really noteworthy to Hope football people, our alumni and our MIAA), but rather I posed it to you more for your own opinion for something somewhere along the lines of..."well, it's about time". ;)

D3db...it's about freaking time!  Better :)

Although any school that north probably should have turf
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 25, 2012, 03:36:32 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 25, 2012, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.

Pat:

You are absolutely right since Hope is/was woefully "behind the times" with most DIII schools in regards to obtaining synthetic turf for football (even though we've had it now for 2 1/2 years for soccer and lacrosse).  I wasn't asking the question to you in regards to it being "noteworthy" (because it is only really noteworthy to Hope football people, our alumni and our MIAA), but rather I posed it to you more for your own opinion for something somewhere along the lines of..."well, it's about time". ;)

D3db...it's about freaking time!  Better :)

Although any school that north probably should have turf

Or at least "north of the Toledo Strip."   ;) - If not for "Phillips Corners," woulda been born a Michigander...

Any word (or possible Hope), pray tell, when DC might retire their carbon sponge/bovine pasture and succumb to the synthetic syndrome?   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on April 25, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 25, 2012, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.

Pat:

You are absolutely right since Hope is/was woefully "behind the times" with most DIII schools in regards to obtaining synthetic turf for football (even though we've had it now for 2 1/2 years for soccer and lacrosse).  I wasn't asking the question to you in regards to it being "noteworthy" (because it is only really noteworthy to Hope football people, our alumni and our MIAA), but rather I posed it to you more for your own opinion for something somewhere along the lines of..."well, it's about time". ;)

D3db...it's about freaking time!  Better :)

Although any school that north probably should have turf

Defiance will likely have turf before Bluffton. Maybe they can battle to see who plays on natural grass last in the nation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on April 26, 2012, 08:37:09 AM
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My son committed to Franklin on Sunday and sent in his deposit. We can't wait to be a part of the Franklin football family! He chose the Griz over Wabash, Mount Union, and Trine. From the start, Franklin felt like the best fit. He is a wr/pr/kr/rb. With 4.5 "40", 36" vertical, 5'8" 165 lbs.

We had a great time at Franklin's "Griz Showcase" last Saturday. My son got to know several of his future teammates and he is very excited he chose Franklin.  There were some very talented HS FB players there, 28 having already committed.

Being that slow, it will be tough for him to see the field for the Griz!  (Just Kidding!)

Congrats to him and you.  With the decision in the rear view mirror, he can enjoy the rest of his senior year of high school.

That is so true! It is a huge relief to make that commitment and finally have some fun(at least until camp starts) ;D
It was a great game for Wabash-not so much for NC. And to add insult to injury, on the way home, I slow down for a deer that ran in front of my car. A second one slammed into my door and took out the mirror.  >:( ;D

A relief for sure! Coach Leonard made such a good impression on us right from the start. We have heard nothing but great things about him from everyone.

Good luck to your son!! it seems like only yesterday, we visited North Central and my son made his committment. Enjoy-- the four years fly-we have one left and hoping for a very good one. Keep us posted on his progress.

Thank You.  We were actually at the Wabash vs North Central playoff game on a Wabash visit. What a game that was!!! Good luck to you guys during your sons senior season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 26, 2012, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on April 25, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 25, 2012, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.

Pat:

You are absolutely right since Hope is/was woefully "behind the times" with most DIII schools in regards to obtaining synthetic turf for football (even though we've had it now for 2 1/2 years for soccer and lacrosse).  I wasn't asking the question to you in regards to it being "noteworthy" (because it is only really noteworthy to Hope football people, our alumni and our MIAA), but rather I posed it to you more for your own opinion for something somewhere along the lines of..."well, it's about time". ;)

D3db...it's about freaking time!  Better :)

Although any school that north probably should have turf

Defiance will likely have turf before Bluffton. Maybe they can battle to see who plays on natural grass last in the nation.
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on April 25, 2012, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
The mockup looks nice but at this point, a significant majority of D-III schools have turf already so it's not as noteworthy as it used to be.

Pat:

You are absolutely right since Hope is/was woefully "behind the times" with most DIII schools in regards to obtaining synthetic turf for football (even though we've had it now for 2 1/2 years for soccer and lacrosse).  I wasn't asking the question to you in regards to it being "noteworthy" (because it is only really noteworthy to Hope football people, our alumni and our MIAA), but rather I posed it to you more for your own opinion for something somewhere along the lines of..."well, it's about time". ;)

D3db...it's about freaking time!  Better :)

Although any school that north probably should have turf

70_dc_alum:

Yeah, I know! ;D  Also, indeed, it will be nice to see when DC and Bluffton eventually get the synthetic turf.  It is nice at Franklin and, overall, IMO, I think that most of the DIII schools will have to eventually do it in future years for simply trying to compete in recruiting of student-athletes with their peer schools (and, of course, for all the other benefits that a synthetic turf brings to a school).  On the other hand, perhaps some of the smallest DIII schools might just not be able to afford it - I don't know.  I would think, however, that if one's conference has the majority of its schools with the new turf, that it would be in the best interests of those member schools who don't have it to get it i.e. all the schools of a conference having the turf.  But, as we all know, it comes down to the $. ;)   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on May 01, 2012, 09:27:47 AM
Quote
70_dc_alum:

Yeah, I know! ;D  Also, indeed, it will be nice to see when DC and Bluffton eventually get the synthetic turf.  It is nice at Franklin and, overall, IMO, I think that most of the DIII schools will have to eventually do it in future years for simply trying to compete in recruiting of student-athletes with their peer schools (and, of course, for all the other benefits that a synthetic turf brings to a school).  On the other hand, perhaps some of the smallest DIII schools might just not be able to afford it - I don't know.  I would think, however, that if one's conference has the majority of its schools with the new turf, that it would be in the best interests of those member schools who don't have it to get it i.e. all the schools of a conference having the turf.  But, as we all know, it comes down to the $. ;)

Maybe someone like Pat has a list of who still plays on natural grass. I think Earlham, Bluffton, Defiance and Manchester in the HCAC still play on grass. I think a couple of teams in the OAC still play on grass.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 01, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
Isn't having field turf like having solar power, saves money in the long run?  Plus, if DC can build a field house they should be able to put out some field turf for the stadium as well as baseball, softball, and soccer.  Pipe dream I guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on June 16, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
According to Nick Driskill's twitter post, Lindy's has Mount Union preseason #1. With Franklin #8.

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/NDriskill21/status/214015452073037824?photo=1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on June 18, 2012, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on June 16, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
According to Nick Driskill's twitter post, Lindy's has Mount Union preseason #1. With Franklin #8.

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/NDriskill21/status/214015452073037824?photo=1

Hanover starts off the season with 2 Top 25 teams - @ Illinois College and home against Wabash, and then closes out against the Griz.  Looks like we will see early how good the Panthers are going to be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on June 22, 2012, 02:46:51 PM
Go Griz



Lindy's Sports Magazine Division III Preseason Football Poll
1. Mount Union
2. Wesley
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater
4. St. Thomas
5. Delaware Valley
6. Widener
7. Redlands
8. Franklin
9. St. John Fisher
10. Mary Hardin-Baylor
11. North Central (IL)
12. Centre
13. Illinois College
14. St. John's (MN)
15. Bethel
16. Cal Lutheran
17. Linfield
18. Salisbury
19. Thomas More
20. Wittenberg
21. Wabash
22. RPI
23. Birmingham-Southern
24. Trinity (TX)
25. Monmouth (IL)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 03, 2012, 04:03:35 AM
The HCAC Poll is out and shockingly #13 ranked Franklin is at the top :o

Franklin: 79 (7)
Mount St. Joseph: 67 (2)
Hanover: 62
Bluffton: 48
Defiance: 41
Rose-Hulman: 38
Manchester: 34
Anderson: 21
Earlham: 15

I wonder who the other coach was that picked MSJ. And for my first bold prediction of the season... I think Earlham will finally win a game as a member of the HCAC.

Less than a month till kickoff :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 08, 2012, 12:01:00 PM
I am not shocked about Franklin's preseason ranking in the top 25.  They have built a program that is respected through DIII and they do not shy away from tough competition.  It is time for one or two more HCAC programs to build more consistent programs to give the HCAC more respect and stronger showings in the playoffs. 
I am excited to see what DC will do under a new coach.  Plus, they will have two early test playing against MIAA schools Adrain and Albion who did receive top 25 consideration. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
An update on the 2000 and 2001 HCAC Champs:

TMC has 76 freshman reporting for camp today with kids coming from OH, KY, IN, TN, GA, FL and NJ.  They had a great offseason of recruiting in Crestview Hills.  They have nothing to be ashamed of, losing on the road to a good team in Franklin last year while having a QB making his first career start.  He's a sophomore now and will lead an offense that lost only Kendall Owens but gets back two WR's who weren't on the field last year.  All 5 lineman who started against Franklin are back. 

Defensively, TMC returns 9 starters from 2011 +a 1st team PAC Defensive End who missed last year. 

Should be a great year for Thomas More. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 10, 2012, 06:48:33 PM
What are your thoughts on the match up with Fisher SF? Dlip thinks this is going to be a TOUGH game for the Cardinals.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 10, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
SaintsFan -but you loose you OC!  New era in DC :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 11, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 10, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
SaintsFan -but you loose you OC!  New era in DC :)

Will be a lot of new coaching faces this year...  Think we have four new HCs?!  Hard to believe it's football time again but I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 12, 2012, 01:12:35 AM
Quote from: dlip on August 10, 2012, 06:48:33 PM
What are your thoughts on the match up with Fisher SF? Dlip thinks this is going to be a TOUGH game for the Cardinals.

dlip -- SF thinks it will be a helluva game.  SF believes TMC needs to be completely focused because of the trip and it being game #1.  If they do that, I think the speed of TMC will really help.  Not sure what offense they are going to run this year.  There were changes coming -- regardless of losing that OC (DC70). 

If SJF wants to focus on an ISO running game, TMC could have some issues getting off the field.  If they run an offense featuring stretch plays, TMC will be ok.  The team speed at Thomas More is tremendous.  Offensively, there will be big plays.  They are explosive on offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 12, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
Last year as a conference we went a disappointing 3-15 in non-conference games. Can we improve on that this year? Personally I think it could be another painful start to the season.

Anderson vs Taylor (NAIA) and @ Grove City (PAC)
Bluffton vs Kenyon (NCAC) and @ Baldwin-Wallace (OAC)
Defiance vs Albion (MIAA) and @ Adrian (MIAA)
Earlham vs Oberlin (NCAC) and @ Kenyon (NCAC)
Franklin vs Mount Union (OAC) and @ Butler (FCS)
Hanover @ Illinois College (MWC) and vs Wabash (NCAC)
Manchester @ Trine (MIAA) and @ Kalamazoo (MIAA)
Mount St. Joseph vs Wilmington (OAC) and @ Thomas More (PAC)
Rose-Hulman vs Kalamazoo (MIAA) and @ Centre (SAA)

MIAA: 5 (K'zoo x2); NCAC: 4 (Kenyon x2); OAC: 3; PAC: 2; MWC: 1; SAA: 1; NAIA: 1; FCS: 1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2012, 08:36:27 AM
There are some real tough ones on that schedule.  Mount, butler (good but not that good) Albion and Adrian are pretty loaded this year, TMC, centre, BW, Trine, and wabash are always loaded.  We will know quickly where teams stack up
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 14, 2012, 08:04:27 AM
I've looked through the non-conference games... week 1 isn't great but not a total loss. I see two likely wins, two who have a chance, and five big underdogs. Week 2 is frightening though. I think Earlham is one of the better chances for a win there... and that's never a good sign. :o

Can't we get some magic pixie dust around here so one offseason we can suddenly become a power conference? 8-)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 15, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 14, 2012, 08:04:27 AM
I've looked through the non-conference games... week 1 isn't great but not a total loss. I see two likely wins, two who have a chance, and five big underdogs. Week 2 is frightening though. I think Earlham is one of the better chances for a win there... and that's never a good sign. :o

Can't we get some magic pixie dust around here so one offseason we can suddenly become a power conference? 8-)

If nothing else let's just hope we take a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 15, 2012, 04:06:43 PM
I think scheduling tougher teams around DIII are steps in the right direction.  I only hope that all the HCAC schools will play each game tough and continue to close the gap against teams from so called "better conferences." 
For me I would really like to see DC take a step in the right direction under new management.  Considering Albion and Adrian both received top 25 votes, DC will be underdogs in those contests.  As long as they play mistake free football and force mistakes on the other end they could pull those off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 18, 2012, 08:36:36 AM
I think it would be neat to have a preseason fan poll to compare to the coaches poll. Anyone who wants to send in a ballot just send it to me in a PM and assuming there's more than just a couple people I'll post the results next weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sflzman on August 19, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
Anybody know when/where the Bluffton/Heidelberg scrimmage is supposed to take place? I'd be interested to check out the new pieces Heidelberg has in place before they take on my Scots!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 20, 2012, 10:49:56 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 19, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
Anybody know when/where the Bluffton/Heidelberg scrimmage is supposed to take place? I'd be interested to check out the new pieces Heidelberg has in place before they take on my Scots!
I couldn't seem to find any information about it. Your best bet is to email one of the schools.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on August 20, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Did anyone watch the griz Saturday? If you saw them what did you think? I know the 2 players that led the team with most TD's didn't participate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 20, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: grizgater on August 20, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Did anyone watch the griz Saturday? If you saw them what did you think? I know the 2 players that led the team with most TD's didn't participate.

I saw the scrimmage.  Cook and Linville have slight injuries and will be ready for opener.  No worries is what I heard.  Hard to tell anything from my observation.  We should know better next week over in Greencastle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 21, 2012, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 20, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: grizgater on August 20, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Did anyone watch the griz Saturday? If you saw them what did you think? I know the 2 players that led the team with most TD's didn't participate.

I saw the scrimmage.  Cook and Linville have slight injuries and will be ready for opener.  No worries is what I heard.  Hard to tell anything from my observation.  We should know better next week over in Greencastle.

I am curious about Robert Ortiz.  A kid from Arizona with big return numbers at NAIA Dakota State last season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on August 21, 2012, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 21, 2012, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 20, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: grizgater on August 20, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Did anyone watch the griz Saturday? If you saw them what did you think? I know the 2 players that led the team with most TD's didn't participate.

I saw the scrimmage.  Cook and Linville have slight injuries and will be ready for opener.  No worries is what I heard.  Hard to tell anything from my observation.  We should know better next week over in Greencastle.

Heard he left the team and is back in Arizona.

I am curious about Robert Ortiz.  A kid from Arizona with big return numbers at NAIA Dakota State last season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on August 21, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Yes Ortiz is gone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 22, 2012, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: grizgater on August 21, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Yes Ortiz is gone.

Bummer, the dude led the nation in kickoff return yards and had over 1500 yards in returns and receptions last season at Dakota State.

Bigger roster loss is Zach Ruark!  Two year starter who led team in INTs and returns (after loss of Corpe).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 23, 2012, 01:30:25 PM
It's now exactly 1 week till the season officially starts with Manchester. Is anyone else tired of waiting for the season to get going?

I've got two housekeeping announcements to make...
1) I've only gotten 2 ballots (including my own) for the HCAC preseason fan poll. PM me your rankings and I'll compile the rankings by Thursday. It's just a one time thing, no need to do it every week.

2) Also don't forget to play the HCAC Pick 'em game which is in my signature.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 23, 2012, 05:28:40 PM
http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2232/new-look-jackets-poised-to-tackle-2012-season/

Preseason preview for the Jackets!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 23, 2012, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 23, 2012, 05:28:40 PM
http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2232/new-look-jackets-poised-to-tackle-2012-season/

Preseason preview for the Jackets!

Nice preview

And you guys have updated roster...  Must be nice - Been waiting on Hanover to get theirs updated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 24, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Thanks panthersfan!  We have something going for us ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on August 25, 2012, 08:43:59 PM
7 days till kick off. Good luck all HCAC programs next weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 27, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
Using D3Football's preseason rankings I took a general stab at classifying the HCAC's non conf schedule in terms of whether the team will be an underdog, even or favored.  I know some match ups can be argued here but clearly we have our work cut-out for us.  Especially considering that there are two games I wanted to mark as underdogs and didn't (Franklin vs Butler and Hanover vs Ill College).  Butler may be a mediocre FCS school at best but still FCS (and not Valpo for sure).  I think Ill College is a clear favorite as well but Hanover fell within 50 spots to them in the preseason Div III rankings.  Within 50 spots is the general marker I used in determining if a matchup was even except for teams in the top 20 (i.e., Frankin vs Mount Union).

Only being favored in 2 of 18 non conference games is an eye opener.


HCAC Non Conf   D3 ranking   Favored/Even/Underdog
-------------   ----------      ---------------------
Anderson          211
Taylor      n/a      U
Grove City          164      E

Bluffton            142
Kenyon               232           F
Baldwin-Wal    19      U


Defiance           203
Albion               51      U
Adrian       67      U

Earlham      233
Oberlin      196      E
Kenyon      232      E

Franklin             13
Mount Union      2      U
Butler              n/a      E

Hanover       73
Ill College            39      E
Wabash       10      U

Manchester          184      
Trine               88      U
Kalamazoo          194      E

MSJ              121
Wilmington           194      F
Thomas More    20      U

Rose Hulman   150
Kalamazoo           194      E
Centre        40      U


Underdog   = 9
Even       = 7
Favored    = 2
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on August 27, 2012, 07:00:37 PM
Nice work panthersfan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 28, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on August 27, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
Using D3Football's preseason rankings I took a general stab at classifying the HCAC's non conf schedule in terms of whether the team will be an underdog, even or favored.  I know some match ups can be argued here but clearly we have our work cut-out for us.  Especially considering that there are two games I wanted to mark as underdogs and didn't (Franklin vs Butler and Hanover vs Ill College).  Butler may be a mediocre FCS school at best but still FCS (and not Valpo for sure).  I think Ill College is a clear favorite as well but Hanover fell within 50 spots to them in the preseason Div III rankings.  Within 50 spots is the general marker I used in determining if a matchup was even except for teams in the top 20 (i.e., Frankin vs Mount Union).

Only being favored in 2 of 18 non conference games is an eye opener.


HCAC Non Conf   D3 ranking   Favored/Even/Underdog
-------------   ----------      ---------------------
Anderson          211
Taylor      n/a      U
Grove City          164      E

Bluffton            142
Kenyon               232           F
Baldwin-Wal    19      U


Defiance           203
Albion               51      U
Adrian       67      U

Earlham      233
Oberlin      196      E
Kenyon      232      E

Franklin             13
Mount Union      2      U
Butler              n/a      E

Hanover       73
Ill College            39      E
Wabash       10      U

Manchester          184      
Trine               88      U
Kalamazoo          194      E

MSJ              121
Wilmington           194      F
Thomas More    20      U

Rose Hulman   150
Kalamazoo           194      E
Centre        40      U


Underdog   = 9
Even       = 7
Favored    = 2

Agreed, nice work, but that sucks how poorly we rank compared to our competition.  Hopefully the HCAC can pull out some upsets.......Defiance :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on August 28, 2012, 09:44:02 PM
Yes! let's get the HCAC some attention.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 28, 2012, 09:49:33 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 28, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on August 27, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
Using D3Football's preseason rankings I took a general stab at classifying the HCAC's non conf schedule in terms of whether the team will be an underdog, even or favored.  I know some match ups can be argued here but clearly we have our work cut-out for us.  Especially considering that there are two games I wanted to mark as underdogs and didn't (Franklin vs Butler and Hanover vs Ill College).  Butler may be a mediocre FCS school at best but still FCS (and not Valpo for sure).  I think Ill College is a clear favorite as well but Hanover fell within 50 spots to them in the preseason Div III rankings.  Within 50 spots is the general marker I used in determining if a matchup was even except for teams in the top 20 (i.e., Frankin vs Mount Union).

Only being favored in 2 of 18 non conference games is an eye opener.


HCAC Non Conf   D3 ranking   Favored/Even/Underdog
-------------   ----------      ---------------------
Anderson          211
Taylor      n/a      U
Grove City          164      E

Bluffton            142
Kenyon               232           F
Baldwin-Wal    19      U


Defiance           203
Albion               51      U
Adrian       67      U

Earlham      233
Oberlin      196      E
Kenyon      232      E

Franklin             13
Mount Union      2      U
Butler              n/a      E

Hanover       73
Ill College            39      E
Wabash       10      U

Manchester          184      
Trine               88      U
Kalamazoo          194      E

MSJ              121
Wilmington           194      F
Thomas More    20      U

Rose Hulman   150
Kalamazoo           194      E
Centre        40      U


Underdog   = 9
Even       = 7
Favored    = 2

Agreed, nice work, but that sucks how poorly we rank compared to our competition.  Hopefully the HCAC can pull out some upsets.......Defiance :)
The good thing is that the GRIZ has to work at to be underdogs via scheduling.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 29, 2012, 04:45:26 AM
So far I've only got 2 sets of predictions for the HCAC Fan Poll. I know there's several of you around here. Take a couple minutes to PM me your predictions and I'll compile the Fan Poll to see if we have different opinions than the coaches do.

Just over 38 hours until the season kicks off with Manchester. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 29, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: grizgater on August 27, 2012, 07:00:37 PM
Nice work panthersfan.

Thanks.  After scanning all the conference openers I realized we're obviously underdogs in most of them and got curious about all the nonconf games.  Too lazy to check for myself but I'm curious how other conferences' nonconf schedules would look like.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 29, 2012, 03:40:41 PM
Looks like folks at Faught Stadium in Franklin will require rain coats and umbrellas as 2-5 inches of rain are expected this weekend from remnants of Hurricane Issac. Not sure if rain is good for the Griz passing game though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 29, 2012, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: grizgater on August 28, 2012, 09:44:02 PM
Yes! let's get the HCAC some attention.

Amen to that one!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 29, 2012, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 29, 2012, 03:40:41 PM
Looks like folks at Faught Stadium in Franklin will require rain coats and umbrellas as 2-5 inches of rain are expected this weekend from remnants of Hurricane Issac. Not sure if rain is good for the Griz passing game though.

Perhaps a blessing and a curse?  With RB Jeremy Murray gone Mount's most proven skill guys are the WR group.  If the weather forces them to the ground maybe that's a good thing for FC.  Current starter TJ Lattimore is more explosive, but Murray was a proven commodity and perfectly suited to grind it out in bad weather.

How is Franklin's run D?  I only saw the stats in the preview from 2011. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 30, 2012, 01:39:52 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on August 29, 2012, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 29, 2012, 03:40:41 PM
Looks like folks at Faught Stadium in Franklin will require rain coats and umbrellas as 2-5 inches of rain are expected this weekend from remnants of Hurricane Issac. Not sure if rain is good for the Griz passing game though.

Perhaps a blessing and a curse?  With RB Jeremy Murray gone Mount's most proven skill guys are the WR group.  If the weather forces them to the ground maybe that's a good thing for FC.  Current starter TJ Lattimore is more explosive, but Murray was a proven commodity and perfectly suited to grind it out in bad weather.

How is Franklin's run D?  I only saw the stats in the preview from 2011.

I am afraid that the Purple Power is going to be tough to stop!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 30, 2012, 01:39:52 PM
I am afraid that the Purple Power is going to be tough to stop!

Gross.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 02:17:32 PM
Stormy Weather:

http://d3football.com/seasons/2011/boxscores/20111001_pgzy.xml
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 02:36:54 PM
The fact that I seem to be the only football fan seeing Saturday's game as a good'n, makes me want to shout a little louder.

Here are some reposts from the NCAC board about the UMU/FC game. Can you Grizzly fans try not to temper my excitement with oddly resigned posts ending in exclamations that offer the most broad and superficial analysis in favor of the team that you'd presumably like to beat? Yeah? Okay, thanks.

Quote from: BashDad on August 14, 2012, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 14, 2012, 01:03:21 PM
Best case scenario, I believe, is that Franklin gets through the first 3-4 possessions without getting turned over while they get accustomed to things.

This is the BEST case? Just hoping they get through the first quarter without causing disaster? No. No it's not. Which year of football are we gearing up for? 2004? I don't get it. The best case is that Franklin gets to run their 10-15 scripted plays in the first two series and get UMU into all their different defensive looks. UMU will have a filthy defense. But Leonard is a genius if he knows what's what on the other side of the ball. And the dudes executing are all, like, non-idiots and experienced against the best team (by a long shot) in the country. So. I don't know. THAT's the best case. That they can play 3.5 quarters with the confidence that they prepared correctly.

But stoppit. I wanna save all this. We've got way too much time between now and then.

Quote from: BashDad on August 14, 2012, 03:02:58 PM
I can't stop:

We could all agree that Franklin, last year, would've finished in the top half of the OAC. Right? I think that's probably true. Take a look at UMU's performance against 3 of those 4 teams:

ONU? 14-6 
BW? 25-20 
Captial? 27-7

Now then. Last year's UMU offense was as vulnerable a unit as they've had in at least a decade, probably more. The Raider faithful want you to believe they've got some dude who's gonna average 6ypc waiting in the wings (they don't) or that Burke is somehow going to wrestle the reigns away from a mediocre senior QB (he won't). Look, they're still Mount Union and I'm no fool: they're better than most and better--presumably--than Franklin. But it's not a slam dunk. They are, from my perspective, a worse offensive team than they were last year. I just don't see how you can believe otherwise. But--and a big one--I don't know what that means yet, neither do they, and neither do you. How good is a team that relies squarely on Neal Seaman? I don't know. Probably a little less than great in my opinion, but to have the beginnings of any real answer they have to play a good team first. Thankfully, we don't have to wait for that to happen.

Franklin, who had their best team in forever last year, is a good team. They scored more points against the national champion in the first half of their playoff match-up than UMU scored all game in theirs. And you know what? They'll be better this year. They were all sophomores and juniors. The gap between UMU and the best of the rest, which already seemed thinner than we're used to, is now even smaller. Look at those scores above. Two of them, at least, are a Raider ****-up away from being losses. That's... I don't know. Interesting? I think so. Franklin may need UMU to make some holy-moly mistakes to keep the game close, but if any UMU team in recent memory is going to do that, it's this one. The Grizz have a real shot, I think. So there. I'll take your 28 points!

Quote from: BashDad on August 14, 2012, 05:20:34 PM
More:

In the first half of the UW-W playoff game, Franklin's sophmore QB was 21-36 for 214 yards and a TD. He was a sophomore. In two quarters, against the best defense in the country, Mr. Jonny West, sophomore, put up more yards than all but two of UWW's opponents could muster, in full games, the entire season. That muh fuh got accustomed and quick. Is UMU's D any better than that squad? Nope. No sir. They are not.

If Franklin puts up 14 in the first half of the UMU game, they'll be winning.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 02:40:37 PM
Also, this might be as good a time as any to invite Pat to write some about this year's UMU squad and why he's so high on them. It'd be fun to argue.

I can crawl back to the NCAC board, too, if y'all are feeling invaded. A thousand apologies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 30, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
Wow.  Hanging me right on out there, BD.  Thanks for that.   :)

I'll freely admit that I'm far more interested in this UMU/Franklin game than I am in anything going on in the NCAC this week.  I think this game has a lot of implication for Wabash (or whoever else might win the NCAC).  If Franklin wins, they'd almost certainly leap over Wabash or Witt in the potential postseason seeding heirarcy.  Maybe even a CCIW champion because, the enormous gap between the difficulty of navigating the CCIW versus navigating the HCAC notwithstanding, beating Mount Union will count for a lot (unless Mount Union goes on to lose another game or two...good grief, is that a real coversation to have?).  Knocking Mount Union out of that top spot opens doors for a lot of teams...really anybody that goes 10-0 can realisitcally hope for a top seed as you never know how they'll arrange the brackets anymore. 

It will be an interesting situation in Franklin on Saturday for sure.  I'm sticking by my feeling here that Mount Union will strike early and make Franklin chase a couple of scores, but I could be vastly overestimating UMU or underestimating Franklin or both.  We shall see. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 30, 2012, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 02:57:48 PM
No offense intended! Just stirring the pot.

You're still getting Franklin and 31 points in that beer serving bet right? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on August 30, 2012, 04:31:01 PM
Bashdad you are more than welcome here. I enjoy your post.
Like every coach has said at one point or another. "You don't win the game on paper thats why you step on the field". First game of the season both teams will make mistakes. With the threat of 3 to 5 inches of rain will compound those mistakes as well. If indeed we get that down pour during the game. I'm looking forward to seeing how we play. We do have good returning skill guys on offense all are Jrs this season. I've seen some surprises on D as well. O-line is bigger this year and should improve the run game.

Good luck to you guys maybe we will have the chance to play this season if all goes well for both squads.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 04:50:38 PM
Sigh. Everyone is nuts.

Which 2011 playoff team is going to end up wishing it had a Week 1 bye?

Keith's take: Franklin.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/08/30/triple-take-and-heres-the-kick/

"Look, we salute the Grizzlies for playing Mount Union."
Condescension lives!

"It'll be a meeting of some of D-III's best fans, at least in the pre-game tailgate."
You're really cute, Franklin!

"For years we've seen teams take this Week 1 game to get a taste of the Purple Raiders, and they end up with a mouthful."
UMU has beaten a top-25 team in the season opener exactly once in the last decade. That was 2008. Anyone remember who was in the Purple Raider back-field that season?

"Franklin, which has designs on being a perennial contender, took a game with UW-Whitewater last season and lost 45-0."
They are SO far from being a contender!

"The playoff rematch was 41-14."
You still sucked, Franklin!

"I know Franklin doesn't really wish it had a bye, because they're playing these games to figure out what it takes to get to the purple powers' level, but the final score may leave a bit to be desired."
Why? There's not a single specific reference to either current team in any of this. Not one. Keith's main point is that, because of two games last year against a team that made UMU look terrible, Franklin is going to get rocked? That's the analysis?

Mount Union has been vulnerable in recent seasons, but we're talking December vulnerable, not beginning of September.
This is just not true. October and November saw three games that UMU had to fight for. All of those teams were worse than Franklin.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 05:19:07 PM
Last year, UMU played four games against ranked teams. They scored no higher than 28 points and won by a margin of 3, 7, 12, and 8. In the games (2) where they threw for over 100 yards, Neal Seaman either didn't play (Wesley) or had a single attempt (UW-W).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
Les Vulnerables:

-Neal Seaman sans Matt Piloto.
-Two defensive lineman starting on the offensive line.
-A Running-back playing in his first game as a starter.

But you're right, the calendar doesn't say December. So everything's gravy. They'll cruise.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 06:04:39 PM
Oh, it's on the road? Anyone wanna go back the past three years and check how many regular season games UMU won by 20 or less? No? Okay, fine. It's 7. Guess how many of those were on the road? 6.

Notable:

2011 at ONU (6-4) : 14-6
        at CAP (5-5)  : 27-7
2010 at ETTA (2-8) : 28-14
        at OTT (6-4)  : 28-10
2009 at ONU (8-2) : 30-10
        at CAP  (7-3) : 28-21
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 30, 2012, 06:24:05 PM
Speaking just for me... I've been burned so many times by the teams I root for that I've developed a bit of a pessimistic outlook in situations like these. All the years of great Pacers teams only to fall in the conference finals... just one trip to the finals and they lost to the Lakers. All the great Colts seasons that came up short (I'm still shocked at SB41... we actually won something?)... grew up a Purdue fan when they had great basketball teams and never made the Final Four and the football team would always stumble somewhere.

I think the key is to not fall behind early on. It seems like when Franklin has lost lately it's because we've fallen behind by 2-3 touchdowns in the first half. Then we're trying to play catchup the rest of the game and eventually an interception or two finally puts it out of reach. If we make it to halftime with the lead or maybe down by 3 then I think we've got a shot, but if Mount jumps out to an early lead that will spell trouble.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 30, 2012, 07:14:39 PM
No need to let facts get in the way here, BD.  It is an election year after all.   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 30, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
The things I'm most curious to see are:

1) How Mount's offense comes out of the gate.  As BashDad pointed out, they were less than stellar last season.  And having seen them live numerous times it might have been the most inept offense in years.  Will a healthy Seaman, Collins, etc. click early?  How will Lattimore look at RB?   

2) How will FC respond if they can't run the ball effectively?  Almost no one runs the ball well against Mount, but teams like UWW do or, like last year, at least do it effectively enough to still be balanced and keep the D honest.  Wesley did this last year as well with their RB and McSweeny doing a good job.

3) How will the weather affect both teams?  If it's poor conditions does Mount shuttle in Burke/Namdar at QB to run more read option and keep it on the ground?  Does FC still try to pass like normal or shift to a more conservative game plan?



   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on August 30, 2012, 07:37:16 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on August 30, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
The things I'm most curious to see are:

1) How Mount's offense comes out of the gate.  As BashDad pointed out, they were less than stellar last season.  And having seen them live numerous times it might have been the most inept offense in years.  Will a healthy Seaman, Collins, etc. click early?  How will Lattimore look at RB?   

2) How will FC respond if they can't run the ball effectively?  Almost no one runs the ball well against Mount, but teams like UWW do or, like last year, at least do it effectively enough to still be balanced and keep the D honest.  Wesley did this last year as well with their RB and McSweeny doing a good job.

3) How will the weather affect both teams?  If it's poor conditions does Mount shuttle in Burke/Namdar at QB to run more read option and keep it on the ground?  Does FC still try to pass like normal or shift to a more conservative game plan?

One thing that people seem to always forget is that the good passing teams like to chuck the ball around in the snow and rain. I think Tom Brady had one of his best games ever in snow.  The WR's know where they are going while the DB's have to react. But on a nice turf field like Franklin's I would expect footing to be fine, unless it turns into a pool!  The running game could suffer with fumbles.


   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 30, 2012, 09:49:49 PM
Here's the HCAC Preseason Fan Poll... we got 4 ballots from FCGrizzliesGrad, GrizFan, grizgator, and panthersfan.

1) Franklin (4)           36 (1, 1, 1, 1)
T2) Hanover               30 (2, 2, 3, 3)
T2) Mount St. Joseph   30 (2, 2, 3, 3)
4) Rose-Hulman         21 (4, 4, 5, 6)
5) Defiance                19 (4, 4, 5, 8)
6) Bluffton                 15 (5, 5, 7, 8)
T7) Anderson              12 (6, 6, 7, 9)
T7) Manchester           12 (6, 7, 7, 8)
9) Earlham                  5 (8, 9, 9, 9)


And here's the Coaches poll for comparison...

1) Franklin: 79 (7)
2) Mount St. Joseph: 67 (2)
3) Hanover: 62
4) Bluffton: 48
5) Defiance: 41
6) Rose-Hulman: 38
7) Manchester: 34
8) Anderson: 21
9) Earlham: 15
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 31, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
We will see how the GRIZ handle the weather and the lines of UMU.  Last year's Grizzly team was NOT the best in many years (sorry BashDad), the Chad Rupp led team from 2008 was much better.  That team destroyed Otterbein and North Central in the payoffs before losing to Wheaton in the Ice Bowl.  Wheaton was then beaten soundly by UMU.

The Grizzlies have been dominated in the trenches by Whitewater the past two seasons.  This is my main concern against UMU.  The Grizzlies have never had a powerful defense, they just try to keep scoring.  The remnants of Hurrican Isaac may be a big factor.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PurpleSuit on August 31, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 06:04:39 PM
Oh, it's on the road? Anyone wanna go back the past three years and check how many regular season games UMU won by 20 or less? No? Okay, fine. It's 7. Guess how many of those were on the road? 6.

Notable:

2011 at ONU (6-4) : 14-6
        at CAP (5-5)  : 27-7
2010 at ETTA (2-8) : 28-14
        at OTT (6-4)  : 28-10
2009 at ONU (8-2) : 30-10
        at CAP  (7-3) : 28-21

or you could just look at the 86 consecutive road wins by Mount.  When did winning over half of your road games by 20+ pts become a bad thing?  is 20 points even a close game?....keep reaching
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 31, 2012, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: wrdad on August 31, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Quote from: PurpleSuit on August 31, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 06:04:39 PM
Oh, it's on the road? Anyone wanna go back the past three years and check how many regular season games UMU won by 20 or less? No? Okay, fine. It's 7. Guess how many of those were on the road? 6.

Notable:

2011 at ONU (6-4) : 14-6
        at CAP (5-5)  : 27-7
2010 at ETTA (2-8) : 28-14
        at OTT (6-4)  : 28-10
2009 at ONU (8-2) : 30-10
        at CAP  (7-3) : 28-21

or you could just look at the 86 consecutive road wins by Mount.  When did winning over half of your road games by 20+ pts become a bad thing?  is 20 points even a close game?....keep reaching

first post, but long time reader of d3 boards.
When mount was beating everyone by like 40-50 pts everyone was saying " mount should move up. All they do is run up the score" now that mount doesn't beat everyone by 40 or 50 people are now saying, "mount is very vulnerable now and they could lose a couple of games"

I guess it doesn't matter what mount does with the final score
win by 40-50=running up score
Win by 10-20= mount has dropped a level and is on the same level as a Wesley, UMHB, linfield etc

Who is "everybody" that says this?

Don't even play the woe is me card on behalf of Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wrdad on August 31, 2012, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 31, 2012, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: wrdad on August 31, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Quote from: PurpleSuit on August 31, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 06:04:39 PM
Oh, it's on the road? Anyone wanna go back the past three years and check how many regular season games UMU won by 20 or less? No? Okay, fine. It's 7. Guess how many of those were on the road? 6.

Notable:

2011 at ONU (6-4) : 14-6
        at CAP (5-5)  : 27-7
2010 at ETTA (2-8) : 28-14
        at OTT (6-4)  : 28-10
2009 at ONU (8-2) : 30-10
        at CAP  (7-3) : 28-21

or you could just look at the 86 consecutive road wins by Mount.  When did winning over half of your road games by 20+ pts become a bad thing?  is 20 points even a close game?....keep reaching

first post, but long time reader of d3 boards.
When mount was beating everyone by like 40-50 pts everyone was saying " mount should move up. All they do is run up the score" now that mount doesn't beat everyone by 40 or 50 people are now saying, "mount is very vulnerable now and they could lose a couple of games"

I guess it doesn't matter what mount does with the final score
win by 40-50=running up score
Win by 10-20= mount has dropped a level and is on the same level as a Wesley, UMHB, linfield etc

Who is "everybody" that says this?

Don't even play the woe is me card on behalf of Mount Union.

sorry dude, jeez. "a lot of people" is that better than "everybody"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 31, 2012, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: wrdad on August 31, 2012, 05:44:10 PM
sorry dude, jeez. "a lot of people" is that better than "everybody"

It's not really better. People that think out loud that Mount Union runs up scores on people or ought to be in a different division usually catch a wrist slap for such nonsense. People that follow D3 and know even the slightest bit about it have nothing but respect for the Raiders and want to figure out how to be that good and beat them rather than have them up and leave the division.  Just don't let what a a few (unknowledgeable) people say about UMU's success translate into a some deeply rooted ethos for everybody who exists outside of Alliance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wrdad on August 31, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 31, 2012, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: wrdad on August 31, 2012, 05:44:10 PM
sorry dude, jeez. "a lot of people" is that better than "everybody"

It's not really better. People that think out loud that Mount Union runs up scores on people or ought to be in a different division usually catch a wrist slap for such nonsense. People that follow D3 and know even the slightest bit about it have nothing but respect for the Raiders and want to figure out how to be that good and beat them rather than have them up and leave the division.  Just don't let what a a few (unknowledgeable) people say about UMU's success translate into a some deeply rooted ethos for everybody who exists outside of Alliance.

Exactly!! When I was talking about "people" thinking mount runs up scores or should move up. Those people are usually non d3 fans, news guys- Gregg easterbrook etc.... now I have no idea what other d3 fans think of the whitewater,mount dominance but I would assume that all you guys on these d3 boards are a lot more smarter than these non d3 fans and that news guy Gregg easterbrook!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 31, 2012, 06:52:50 PM
You said it all right there, brother.  We are a lot more smarter.  A lot more.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
Les Vulnerables:

-Neal Seaman sans Matt Piloto.
-Two defensive lineman starting on the offensive line.
-A Running-back playing in his first game as a starter.

But you're right, the calendar doesn't say December. So everything's gravy. They'll cruise.

Look forward to seeing your postgame reaction if Keith is proven right. None of what you have cited here above is anything Mount Union hasn't done before in this decades-long run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 01, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 11:33:25 PM

Look forward to seeing your postgame reaction if Keith is proven right. None of what you have cited here above is anything Mount Union hasn't done before in this decades-long run.

It's not like Keith was going out on a limb on this one...  Let him put forth some points and get himself in the beverage serving bet like a real man.   ;)

BTW,  BashDad likes his beer poured slowly so it has time to breath.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on September 01, 2012, 12:38:15 AM
 Bash Dad,

After meeting you last year in Alliance, you are basically a good dude.  A little too much of that "I am Wabash" hokey dokey, but an intelligent guy who knows football.

But seriously....you have GOT to get over the UMU obsession.  From talking to your brethren I know THAT GAME still sticks in your craw like nothing else, but really....it's ok. 

Mount will lose (meaning the regular season or the play-offs before the Stagg) when they lose.  You keep trying to put all this "logic mumbo jumbo" into the equation, but Mount will find a way to win in the regular season almost all the time.  It just IS. 

You make some great points, but in the end it doesn't matter until they actually lose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2012, 12:41:36 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 31, 2012, 06:52:50 PM
You said it all right there, brother.  We are a lot more smarter.  A lot more.

Wally -- its not really a close contest when it comes to Easterbrook.  He's a half-wit with a keyboard. 


BTW -- guys, I'm pretty sure Keith isn't able to bet on d3 games.  I'm sure he'll share beers with you'all come playoff time though.  Bashdad brought up some points that made this fan think twice about just penciling in UMU as the winner tomorrow.  It will be interesting to see what happens, especially when you consider the weather situation.  I'm out of town but weather reports in Cincy was 40% chance of rain.  Sounds like there'll be pockets of rain, maybe not a total soaker?

Good luck to the boys in Franklin tomorrow... and everyone else except for the MSJ Fightin' Sayers.. they really won't need it against that Division V High School squad they are playing tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2012, 03:10:06 AM
Here's to a great and healthy 2012 season!  Good luck to all and go Jackets!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2012, 05:26:48 AM
Good luck to all and hopefully the weather (and results) won't be too nasty today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 01, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
Just my Opinion but i think for Franklin to have a legit chance they need to turn the game into a track meet.  I know on any given Sat anything is possible but that does not apply to being more smashmouth up front, Franklin will not keep up with UMU if it is based on a battle upfront.  Skill players and scheme is were Franklin can win and hope the Lines can hold up.  this does not mean good things with the weather report.  i think the weather provides a big advantage to UMU but

current weather reportShowers and thundershowers during the morning will give way to a steadier rain this afternoon - a rumble of thunder still possible. Humid. High near 80F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall around a half an inch.

the only positive is the wind will not be too bad, wind would screw with this game even more. but i think the rain will cause some issues and will turn this into a pound it out session which heavily favors UMU

i hate to say it but i think D3Keith will be right (i hope to be proved wrong).  Love the good debate on here but BashDad you are starting to sound like a Michigan fan...make all of the points you want but you seem to forget one critical one, its still Bama (or UMU) and they are likely going to abuse you by 35pts.  Yes that analogy was 100% for you DC_Has_Been
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 01, 2012, 09:00:20 AM
Ahh good morning!  It's football season!  Best of luck to everyone's team.

I'm actually going to have to disagree with you, 70.  In general the bad weather, lower scoring, less possessions approach has proven more successful against Mount.  I'm too lazy to look it up, but I don't believe any of their losses (and maybe not even close wins) were track meets.  The reason is that historically Mount's D is normally too good to allow a track meet to happen.  Teams will certainly score, but teams wanting a track meet often end up turning it over and putting themselves in the unenviable position of having to throw.  End up there and it's bad news.  Running a 4-2-5 w/ smaller, quicker DE the D is designed to get to the QB and force turnovers.   

Safe travels to everyone hitting the road this morning. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on September 01, 2012, 10:43:26 AM
First of all, way to go everyone on signing on the day of the game to argue. That's lame.

Second of all, I'm not sure what Keith being proven right will look like. He didn't say anything.

Third, I'm not "obsessed" w UMU. No more than the next guy. In the past, I've been as detailed and opinionated when I thought they'd win handily (go back and see my Wesley/UMU posts). If I've been loud and testy here it's because I haven't read a single argument for why today's game could be a close one. Not a single post. And you know what? It definitely could be close. That seems clear to me. If it's not, whatever, it's not. But The lack of conversation around what, to me, could be the most interesting game on opening weekend is, as a fan, deflating. Not fun. And kind of an oversight.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on September 01, 2012, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
Les Vulnerables:

-Neal Seaman sans Matt Piloto.
-Two defensive lineman starting on the offensive line.
-A Running-back playing in his first game as a starter.

But you're right, the calendar doesn't say December. So everything's gravy. They'll cruise.

Look forward to seeing your postgame reaction if Keith is proven right. None of what you have cited here above is anything Mount Union hasn't done before in this decades-long run.
They've beaten the 13th ranked team, on the road, on opening day after their two best offensive players left the team a month before camp opened? Oh. I missed that year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PurpleSuit on September 01, 2012, 10:51:44 AM
Maybe its only a big game to those who obsess over Mount's next potential loss, maybe to everyone else its just a typical opening game .  Arguing about whether team A wins by 20 points or more is, as you would say, lame.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HScoach on September 01, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: BashDad on September 01, 2012, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
Les Vulnerables:

-Neal Seaman sans Matt Piloto.
-Two defensive lineman starting on the offensive line.
-A Running-back playing in his first game as a starter.

But you're right, the calendar doesn't say December. So everything's gravy. They'll cruise.

Look forward to seeing your postgame reaction if Keith is proven right. None of what you have cited here above is anything Mount Union hasn't done before in this decades-long run.
They've beaten the 13th ranked team, on the road, on opening day after their two best offensive players left the team a month before camp opened? Oh. I missed that year.

Hate to be picky, but Piloto and Murray were not Mount's best 2 offensive players.  QB Matt Piloto was BACK-UP to Neal Seaman the last 2 years.  And RB Jeremy Murray, while the starter and productive (1700+ yds / 5.5 ypc / 20 TD's), is not a difference maker at RB.  He is NOT anywhere near the level of Nate Kmic, or Chuck Moore or Dan Pugh.  I wouldn't even put him in the same category as Ryan Gorius or Jim Gresko of yesteryear.  As you'll likely see later today, Mount has quite a few RB's that are identical to Murray.  Unfortunately we don't have another Kmic/Moore/Pugh on the roster.

WR Jasper Collins is easily the best O player.  Who's the 2nd guy is open for debate, but it's probably one of the other receivers.  Not Piloto or Murra, nor is it starting QB Neal Seaman.   It's not a popular or obvious choice, but their 2nd best offensive player could very well be G Matt Mattox.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 01, 2012, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 01, 2012, 09:00:20 AM
Ahh good morning!  It's football season!  Best of luck to everyone's team.

I'm actually going to have to disagree with you, 70.  In general the bad weather, lower scoring, less possessions approach has proven more successful against Mount.  I'm too lazy to look it up, but I don't believe any of their losses (and maybe not even close wins) were track meets.  The reason is that historically Mount's D is normally too good to allow a track meet to happen.  Teams will certainly score, but teams wanting a track meet often end up turning it over and putting themselves in the unenviable position of having to throw.  End up there and it's bad news.  Running a 4-2-5 w/ smaller, quicker DE the D is designed to get to the QB and force turnovers.   

Safe travels to everyone hitting the road this morning.

Actually I kind of agree with you when I said track meet I ment they needed to be able to open up The offense which is franklins strength. If The weather forces them to have to play smash mouth I think Franklin will have major issues. Agree if Franklin pulls of The upset it will be lower scoring. If Franklin has to go smash mouth they won't score much at all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2012, 02:52:00 PM
BashDad -- as to what Keith being right looks like, I'm pretty sure we're seeing it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on September 01, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
Yeah, yeah. Get your licks in. I'll take'm. This is decidedly not close or awesome or anything but bummersville. Sigh.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HScoach on September 01, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
Sounds like Franklin should quit punting.   Two punt returns for TD by Chris Denton.  Yikes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
It's not so much the punting, but that the entire Franklin team needs some stickum so they can actually make tackles... and hold onto the ball. So many missed tackles and potential sacks we've missed today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on September 01, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: HScoach on September 01, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: BashDad on September 01, 2012, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 30, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
Les Vulnerables:

-Neal Seaman sans Matt Piloto.
-Two defensive lineman starting on the offensive line.
-A Running-back playing in his first game as a starter.

But you're right, the calendar doesn't say December. So everything's gravy. They'll cruise.

Look forward to seeing your postgame reaction if Keith is proven right. None of what you have cited here above is anything Mount Union hasn't done before in this decades-long run.
They've beaten the 13th ranked team, on the road, on opening day after their two best offensive players left the team a month before camp opened? Oh. I missed that year.

Hate to be picky, but Piloto and Murray were not Mount's best 2 offensive players.  QB Matt Piloto was BACK-UP to Neal Seaman the last 2 years.  And RB Jeremy Murray, while the starter and productive (1700+ yds / 5.5 ypc / 20 TD's), is not a difference maker at RB.  He is NOT anywhere near the level of Nate Kmic, or Chuck Moore or Dan Pugh.  I wouldn't even put him in the same category as Ryan Gorius or Jim Gresko of yesteryear.  As you'll likely see later today, Mount has quite a few RB's that are identical to Murray.  Unfortunately we don't have another Kmic/Moore/Pugh on the roster.

WR Jasper Collins is easily the best O player.  Who's the 2nd guy is open for debate, but it's probably one of the other receivers.  Not Piloto or Murra, nor is it starting QB Neal Seaman.   It's not a popular or obvious choice, but their 2nd best offensive player could very well be G Matt Mattox.

HS- where do you see Denton in terms of being one of best on Mount.  It seemed last year there was a lot of anticipation that he'd be something special, and now with this game, is he there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on September 01, 2012, 04:16:37 PM
What I said last year after watching Franklin play UWW twice is that they have the skill players but their lines are not good enough. Improve that and they could do some damage.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HScoach on September 01, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
Emma17:   Wasn't consistent enough in '11.  Maybe another year of maturity will make the difference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 01, 2012, 06:34:02 PM
Most of the games finished as expected. Defiance hung with Albion for a while mostly through calisthenics and then they kicked off.  I watched about a quarter and a half and it was painful both lines were dominated by Albion...could have been a lot worse than 55-0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 01, 2012, 07:05:37 PM
Yeah Beavers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2012, 01:38:34 AM
Well, a 2-7 weekend for the conference... started off well with Manchester hanging tough on Thursday, but things quickly came back to reality. We were outscored a combined 297-137. The big question is... can we get a 3rd win next week to at least match last year's pitiful 3-15 record? I'm not entirely sure that we will.
Are there any high school teams we can get on the schedule next year? :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on September 02, 2012, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: BashDad on September 01, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
Yeah, yeah. Get your licks in. I'll take'm. This is decidedly not close or awesome or anything but bummersville. Sigh.

Shrug........it's what we thought it would be........get it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2012, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 01, 2012, 06:34:02 PM
Most of the games finished as expected. Defiance hung with Albion for a while mostly through calisthenics and then they kicked off.  I watched about a quarter and a half and it was painful both lines were dominated by Albion...could have been a lot worse than 55-0
What the......  I was coming in with some high hopes for DC this year, but after looking at the stats to yesterday's game, those hopes have diminished.  Hopefully they can get things turned around quickly and avoid another embarrassing loss against another good MIAA school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ECFan11 on September 03, 2012, 10:45:37 AM
Was at the Earlham game. EC defense did a great job for 3 quarters held the Oberlin O to 9 points for 1st half. EC fans were loud and forced Oberlin to call 2 time outs. Definitely a different feel in the stadium and the field looks great. They are still looking to put the right personnel into the Earlham Offense. if they can get the O to gel they will be able to put together a good game. alot of 3 and outs which tiered the D out by the 4th. looking forward to a good game at kenyon.  GO QUAKES!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on September 03, 2012, 03:51:10 PM
One thing is sure Mt Union is very good and more physical than Whitewater was last season. Not sure what Whitewater has this season however. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mt win it all this season. Mt's fans that i spoke with were very polite and thanked Franklin for their hospitality. Good luck to the raiders the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 04, 2012, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 01, 2012, 06:34:02 PM
Most of the games finished as expected. Defiance hung with Albion for a while mostly through calisthenics and then they kicked off.  I watched about a quarter and a half and it was painful both lines were dominated by Albion...could have been a lot worse than 55-0

Thats not good.  I'm not sure which is worse, losing 55-0 or losing 13-6 in OT on the road at St John Fisher when you have 130 yards of offense.  By all accounts of the SJF fans on this website, TMC defense played very well in forcing 4 TO's and holding SJF to an opening drive TD and a final play in OT TD.  They have a week off -- then its onto the PAC schedule. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2012, 07:41:29 AM
I was surprised when I saw that score come in. Not The offense we are used to seeing from TMC for several years. You looked good on FSN Ohio last night almost as good as the pitching!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2012, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2012, 07:41:29 AM
I was surprised when I saw that score come in. Not The offense we are used to seeing from TMC for several years. You looked good on FSN Ohio last night almost as good as the pitching!

Yeah thanks.  I thought there was a chance I'd be on the TV.  Too bad they got too much of my expanding waistline.

TMC had their QB get dinged up, lost a starting WR and their top two TB's to injuries.  QB and RB's should be fine... but the WR is out -- they didn't move the ball very well without them, but its a new system and they'll be alot better a week from Saturday.  Oh yeah, and the SJF defense was pretty darn good too.  Really big and a few 5 year guys.  It was a tough gig to start the year with up there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 07, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
As I was reviewing the conference results from the past weekend, I saw that Hanover posted they lost to #13 Illinois College. I looked at the d3 poll and saw Illinois College is only receiving votes. What poll are they looking at?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 07, 2012, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 07, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
As I was reviewing the conference results from the past weekend, I saw that Hanover posted they lost to #13 Illinois College. I looked at the d3 poll and saw Illinois College is only receiving votes. What poll are they looking at?

I believe that is a Lindy's preseason ranking. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 07, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 07, 2012, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 07, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
As I was reviewing the conference results from the past weekend, I saw that Hanover posted they lost to #13 Illinois College. I looked at the d3 poll and saw Illinois College is only receiving votes. What poll are they looking at?

I believe that is a Lindy's preseason ranking.

Wally_Wabash is correct...  http://www.illinoiscollegeathletics.com/news/2012/8/15/FB_0815122205.aspx?path=football (http://www.illinoiscollegeathletics.com/news/2012/8/15/FB_0815122205.aspx?path=football)

D3 doesn't give them that much credit but make no mistake this is a good football team.  Number 13?!  I don't think so (at this time) but they'll move up the ranks.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 07, 2012, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 07, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 07, 2012, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 07, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
As I was reviewing the conference results from the past weekend, I saw that Hanover posted they lost to #13 Illinois College. I looked at the d3 poll and saw Illinois College is only receiving votes. What poll are they looking at?

I believe that is a Lindy's preseason ranking.

Wally_Wabash is correct...  http://www.illinoiscollegeathletics.com/news/2012/8/15/FB_0815122205.aspx?path=football (http://www.illinoiscollegeathletics.com/news/2012/8/15/FB_0815122205.aspx?path=football)

D3 doesn't give them that much credit but make no mistake this is a good football team.  Number 13?!  I don't think so (at this time) but they'll move up the ranks.

Great, thanks for helping the new guy!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2012, 12:29:01 PM
Yes -- you can count on a school to tout the best possible ranking, even if that ranking has no credibility whatsoever. I'm still waiting for Lindy's regular season poll. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 08, 2012, 08:38:23 AM
Good Luck to the Grizzlies today against Butler. Should be a fun environment playing in a night game in the Butler Bowl. I'll be in South Bend watching the Irish. Go Irish, Go Griz!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 08, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 08, 2012, 08:38:23 AM
... I'll be in South Bend watching the Irish. Go Irish, Go Griz!

Awesome....  Go Irish
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:16:22 PM
To fans of D-3 football everywhere.  I am honored to have been asked to spread the word regarding a new cancer fund that has been established to help Tom Pattison, UW-W sports broadcaster and founder of www.warhawkfootball.com    I and my family know, all to well, how a cancer diagnosis can be devastating to a families daily lives and finances. Please, consider making even the smallest donation to Tom.

The following is an open letter by Retired UW-W Coach Bob Berezowitz:

Team Tom Cancer Fund Drive established

Once a Warhawk, always a Warhawk are the often spoken words by Tom Pattison, longtime "voice" of the Warhawks. Over the many years of broadcasting UW-Whitewater football, basketball and baseball games on KOOL 106.5 (and prior to that (940 WFAW), Tom has "bled purple" during each one of his broadcasts.

Unfortunately, on May 28, 2012 Tom was diagnosed with advanced stage 2 colon cancer. He underwent colorectal cancer surgery in Fort Atkinson and in the process has developed astronomical hospital and medical bills.

Tom has already gone through the first phase of radiation treatment at the UW Cancer Clinic along with chemotherapy with phase two starting later this month.

Tom has given his heart and soul to Warhawk athletics over his 25 years of living here in southern Wisconsin. He served six years as the president of the UW-Whitewater Quarterback Club and still serves on the club's board of directors.

In 2003 Tom founded Warhawkfootball.com where Warhawk fans, players, former players and parents have been able to view up-to-date Warhawk football news and information 365 days a year. Nearly 1.5 million visitors have clicked onto the Website over the years.

The Website that has been funded entirely by Tom has been a popular "voice" for Warhawk football fans not only locally but around the world.

Well now Tom needs your assistance in his battle with cancer.

With the help and leadership of UW-Whitewater Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Dr. Paul Plinke and former Warhawk football coach Bob Berezowitz and KOOL 106.5 Radio a team has been set up to lead a campaign to raise funds for Tom.

The "Team Tom Cancer Fund" has been established through Commercial Bank in Whitewater and is now accepting donations.

Donations may be sent to: Team Tom Cancer Fund, c/o Commercial Bank, 200 South Freemont St. Whitewater, WI 53190


The fund raising drive will also include Tom Pattison Day at Perkins Stadium on Oct. 6, 2012. More details will be announced shortly.

"I have known Tom for many years while coaching and now in retirement," Berezowitz said. "There is not another person who has given more of himself to help promote UW-Whitewater football. He is always writing articles for both past and present players that are published on his Website.

It is now our turn to say "thank you" for his efforts by considering making a donation to the to assist Tom in his time of need.

Go Warhawks,
Bob Berezowitz
UW-Whitewater Football Coach/Retired
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2012, 06:55:22 PM
Decent game brewing in Adrian. 9-7 Adrian with 3min  left in half. DC playing with a little attitude.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2012, 12:29:01 PM
Yes -- you can count on a school to tout the best possible ranking, even if that ranking has no credibility whatsoever. I'm still waiting for Lindy's regular season poll. :)

Curious what your opinoin is of team's pregame notes saying a team is taking on the 34th ranked team, etc.  I saw that some in a couple previews this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2012, 09:04:47 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 08, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 08, 2012, 08:38:23 AM
... I'll be in South Bend watching the Irish. Go Irish, Go Griz!

Awesome....  Go Irish

Good Lord, they are going to give me a heart attack. . . Rees hadn't played at all this year and leads them down the field at the end.  Just hope they have #5 back for MSU next Saturday.  I dislike Michigan State a bunch, since they pulled their shenanigans at ND Stadium a few years back. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 09, 2012, 09:32:45 AM
It will be interesting I don't see ND taking out MSU next week.  I thought Purdue was going to give them fits.

Defiance showed a lot of improvement. While they did not get the W they had a lead halfway in the 4th before an Adrian WR made a great play on a 45yd TD.  The lines played with a little attitude which was not there last week.  Adrian is a good ball club and was predicted to win the MIAA (my money is doubled down on Albion)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 09:43:14 AM
HCAC will be 2-16 or 3-15 against non-conference foes. Yikes! Hope the future looks better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2012, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 09:43:14 AM
HCAC will be 2-16 or 3-15 against non-conference foes. Yikes! Hope the future looks better.
Well, didn't think it could get much worse than last year's 3-15... certainly not any better this season. I don't know who the other teams play but I believe Franklin have both Mount Union and Butler again next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
On a side note (discussed earlier) with Earlham now playing on turf who are the HCAC grass holdouts.  I know Bluffton plays on grass.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 08, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2012, 12:29:01 PM
Yes -- you can count on a school to tout the best possible ranking, even if that ranking has no credibility whatsoever. I'm still waiting for Lindy's regular season poll. :)

Curious what your opinoin is of team's pregame notes saying a team is taking on the 34th ranked team, etc.  I saw that some in a couple previews this week.

I am not a fan. I don't think it's appropriate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
On a side note (discussed earlier) with Earlham now playing on turf who are the HCAC grass holdouts.  I know Bluffton plays on grass.

Bluffton, Defiance (HCAC), Oberlin (NCAC), Otterbein and Ohio Northern (OAC) seem to be playing on grass in Ohio.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2012, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
On a side note (discussed earlier) with Earlham now playing on turf who are the HCAC grass holdouts.  I know Bluffton plays on grass.

Bluffton, Defiance (HCAC), Oberlin (NCAC), Otterbein and Ohio Northern (OAC) seem to be playing on grass in Ohio.

Add to the list Manchester as that team still plays on grass at their on-campus Burt Stadium I believe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 10, 2012, 10:16:47 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2012, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 09, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
On a side note (discussed earlier) with Earlham now playing on turf who are the HCAC grass holdouts.  I know Bluffton plays on grass.

Bluffton, Defiance (HCAC), Oberlin (NCAC), Otterbein and Ohio Northern (OAC) seem to be playing on grass in Ohio.

Add to the list Manchester as that team still plays on grass at their on-campus Burt Stadium I believe.

It looks like Taylor (NAIA Mid-States) and St. Joseph's (NCAA DII - GLVC) also play on natural grass.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 13, 2012, 08:59:27 AM
Who's ready for conference play to start? I predict the conference gets twice as many wins this weekend as we've had so far this season :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 13, 2012, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 13, 2012, 08:59:27 AM
Who's ready for conference play to start? I predict the conference gets twice as many wins this weekend as we've had so far this season :D

I'm ready and looking forward to it.  That comment was funny but yet depressing.


So far it looks like the weather will cooperate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grizgater on September 13, 2012, 03:39:56 PM
I hope you are right Grad!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 13, 2012, 09:12:19 PM

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It looks like Taylor (NAIA Mid-States) and St. Joseph's (NCAA DII - GLVC) also play on natural grass.
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St. Joe now has a nice turf field.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Prayers to Franklin Grizzly LB Matt Walker and his family.  Matt was injured at Butler last week and will have surgery.  I have heard that his injury is serious and is career ending.  FC is erecting a banner in Faught Stadium on his behalf.     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 14, 2012, 10:06:52 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Prayers to Franklin Grizzly LB Matt Walker and his family.  Matt was injured at Butler last week and will have surgery.  I have heard that his injury is serious and is career ending.  FC is erecting a banner in Faught Stadium on his behalf.   

Sorry to hear about the injury, especially if it truly is career-ending.  Praying for a successful surgery and a quick return to school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on September 14, 2012, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Prayers to Franklin Grizzly LB Matt Walker and his family.  Matt was injured at Butler last week and will have surgery.  I have heard that his injury is serious and is career ending.  FC is erecting a banner in Faught Stadium on his behalf.   

My prayers go out to the young man and his family. I am truly sadden by this situation, never want to see a young man dream end.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 14, 2012, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 14, 2012, 10:06:52 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Prayers to Franklin Grizzly LB Matt Walker and his family.  Matt was injured at Butler last week and will have surgery.  I have heard that his injury is serious and is career ending.  FC is erecting a banner in Faught Stadium on his behalf.   

Sorry to hear about the injury, especially if it truly is career-ending.  Praying for a successful surgery and a quick return to school.

Awful.  That really sucks.  As someone who went through that myself, my heart goes out to him.  Hopefully he can stick around the team and contribute through coaching/intangibles.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 14, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Prayers to Franklin Grizzly LB Matt Walker and his family.  Matt was injured at Butler last week and will have surgery.  I have heard that his injury is serious and is career ending.  FC is erecting a banner in Faught Stadium on his behalf.   

Very saddening news...  As a parent it is a fear that constantly looms but you try not to think about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 15, 2012, 02:48:21 PM
Grizzlies playing well in the 1st half. They lead 28-7 at Manchester. I think I overheard that West is 22-26 for over 300yards in the first half alone. Go Griz!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 15, 2012, 04:20:23 PM
Bluffton hangs on, on the road, to defeat Earlham 28-20. The Quakers had 9 turnovers. yeah beavers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyGrad08 on September 15, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
Final in Manchester... Franklin 48 manchester 27
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 20, 2012, 07:43:45 AM
9/22/12 Games:

Earlham     @   Franklin          
MSJ           @   Bluffton                 
Anderson   @   Defiance                 
Manchester@   Rose-Hulman    
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ECFan11 on September 20, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
EC was up on Bluffton 20 - 7 with 8min left in the 3rd.  If EC can stop with the F#%@^% turnovers they will roll some of these teams. lets get it together EC. Go Quakes!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 20, 2012, 11:32:17 AM
Quote from: ECFan11 on September 20, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
EC was up on Bluffton 20 - 7 with 8min left in the 3rd.  If EC can stop with the F#%@^% turnovers they will roll some of these teams. lets get it together EC. Go Quakes!

Games like that are frustrating...  Turnovers will be especially costly this Saturday going up against the Griz.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2012, 08:48:06 AM
Been a very quiet week around here so here's a quick preview for today. Franklin should have an easy day against Earlham, but anything can happen. Someone will finally get a win in the Anderson-Defiance game. Manchester has been competitive but again will be the underdog against Rose-Hulman. MSJ will have to avoid a letdown after losing to Hanover last week when they take on Bluffton who is the only team above .500 this season. Hanover gets to relax after their win over Mount last week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 22, 2012, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2012, 08:48:06 AM
... Hanover gets to relax after their win over Mount last week.
Rose is 2-0 in conference...  Could be a good one this weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
Based on comparitive scoring in HCAC play so far, Hanover poised to make clean run to the finale in Franklin this Nov.  Anybody know what is wrong the MSJ?  They seem to be trending south.  Nice win by FC to get going again.  56-0 at half and 70-0.  GRIZ kept in on the ground for the most part.  Idle this week and on the road at MSJ on 10/6.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 24, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
... Hanover poised to make clean run to the finale in Franklin this Nov.  Anybody know what is wrong the MSJ? ...

Would make for an exciting game but Hanover has some work to do before making that a reality.  If we can put together 4 qrts of good football this Saturday I'll feel better about it.

Not sure about MSJ...  They do have a heck of a running back in Clay.  If they find a way to air it out a little more they could turn things around. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 24, 2012, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 24, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
... Hanover poised to make clean run to the finale in Franklin this Nov.  Anybody know what is wrong the MSJ? ...

Would make for an exciting game but Hanover has some work to do before making that a reality.  If we can put together 4 qrts of good football this Saturday I'll feel better about it.

Not sure about MSJ...  They do have a heck of a running back in Clay.  If they find a way to air it out a little more they could turn things around.

Hanover needs to get in a rythm offensively and keep it going throughout the game.  A couple of games like that with the O playing to their potential, and then you can revive the talk of the big game in November.  Until then, the Panthers just need to keep their heads down and keep working.

As for MSJ, who knows what is up.  I think they had some coaching changes in the offseason, but nothing too major.  They don't seem to be able to pass consistently, and their run game is successful when they run to the right side of their line.  Maybe the two losses so far will wake them up and they come on strong from here on out.  While history would suggest that two losses in conference ends any postseason hopes, they still get Franklin and Rose at home and will look to play spoiler if they can.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
Nothing is in stone for sure but I like the Panthers chances to run the table to 7-0.  MSJ will show up to play FC regardless of their showing so far. Last years game was an old fashioned fist fight from a physical perspective.  Lot of football to be played. Hopefully some it will be exciting for the GRIZ.  Last week the best action occurred in the parking lot. LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 24, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
Nothing is in stone for sure but I like the Panthers chances to run the table to 7-0.  MSJ will show up to play FC regardless of their showing so far. Last years game was an old fashioned fist fight from a physical perspective.  Lot of football to be played. Hopefully some it will be exciting for the GRIZ.  Last week the best action occurred in the parking lot. LOL

That's funny right there!  I checked in on the score a couple times through the afternoon and was shocked at the 35 - 0 first quarter.  Had to refresh the browser to make sure it was correct.  Hope the weather was good for tailgating in the parking lot! :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 24, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
Nothing is in stone for sure but I like the Panthers chances to run the table to 7-0.  MSJ will show up to play FC regardless of their showing so far. Last years game was an old fashioned fist fight from a physical perspective.  Lot of football to be played. Hopefully some it will be exciting for the GRIZ.  Last week the best action occurred in the parking lot. LOL

That's funny right there!  I checked in on the score a couple times through the afternoon and was shocked at the 35 - 0 first quarter.  Had to refresh the browser to make sure it was correct.  Hope the weather was good for tailgating in the parking lot! :D

It was 56-0 at half and 70-0 in the third quarter.  Not much else to be said about that game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 25, 2012, 07:23:01 AM
9/29/2012:

Manchester @ Bluffton       
Defiance @ Earlham       
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover             
Anderson @ Mt. St. Joseph    
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2012, 07:55:18 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 24, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 24, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
... Hanover poised to make clean run to the finale in Franklin this Nov.  Anybody know what is wrong the MSJ? ...

Would make for an exciting game but Hanover has some work to do before making that a reality.  If we can put together 4 qrts of good football this Saturday I'll feel better about it.

Not sure about MSJ...  They do have a heck of a running back in Clay.  If they find a way to air it out a little more they could turn things around.

I wouldn't worry too much about MSJ -- they lost to Bluffton.  That doesn't bode well for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2012, 12:21:07 PM
Very good article on Franklin in Around the Region this week.  I really like what Mike Leonard has done with the program.  He turns negatives into positives.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on September 28, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
In the "Around the Nation" conference rankings the HCAC barely avoided the basement. I hope the overall strength of the league improves in the coming years.  Yeah Beavers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 28, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 28, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
In the "Around the Nation" conference rankings the HCAC barely avoided the basement. I hope the overall strength of the league improves in the coming years.  Yeah Beavers!

Just saw it myself.  A definite ouch but hard to argue with it.  I think we will see an improvement.

Looks like the weather will be great tomorrow.  Sunny and 73 for our game...  Looking forward to firing up the grill, cracking open a cold one, and get ready for some football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on September 28, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 28, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 28, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
In the "Around the Nation" conference rankings the HCAC barely avoided the basement. I hope the overall strength of the league improves in the coming years.  Yeah Beavers!

Just saw it myself.  A definite ouch but hard to argue with it.  I think we will see an improvement.

Looks like the weather will be great tomorrow.  Sunny and 73 for our game...  Looking forward to firing up the grill, cracking open a cold one, and get ready for some football.

Not to mention that the game starts at 2:30 Eastern time, so there is an extra hour for pre-game preparations and hydration!

Will be interesting to see how Hanover comes out of the bye week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
We're not last? Imagine if Franklin hadn't had it's successes the past few years... we'd probably have been ranked 27th out of 26 conferences :o
Wonder if anyone will start heading out west to take on the UMAC now just to see if we can beat someone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on September 29, 2012, 05:35:14 PM
Twenty-five penalties for 232 yards in Richmond today.  No wonder this league is 2nd to last.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 01, 2012, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on September 28, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 28, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on September 28, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
In the "Around the Nation" conference rankings the HCAC barely avoided the basement. I hope the overall strength of the league improves in the coming years.  Yeah Beavers!

Just saw it myself.  A definite ouch but hard to argue with it.  I think we will see an improvement.

Looks like the weather will be great tomorrow.  Sunny and 73 for our game...  Looking forward to firing up the grill, cracking open a cold one, and get ready for some football.

Not to mention that the game starts at 2:30 Eastern time, so there is an extra hour for pre-game preparations and hydration!

Will be interesting to see how Hanover comes out of the bye week.

I'll answer my own question about how Hanover came out of their bye week.

First, Rose was well-prepared for Saturday's game.  Outside of the first drive the Panthers had (no points, INT in endzone) the Engineer D was mostly able to contain Hanover until the fourth quarter. 

Secondly, Hanover simply can't afford to keep turning the ball over and expect to win games.  They have been able to overcome deficits the first two weeks of conference play, but you can't count on that every week.

The end of regulation was puzzling to say the least.  Rose has the ball inside the 10, no timeouts but still some time on the clock.  Sent the FG team on the field, but couldn't get the O off the field in time to kick a chip shot FG to win the game.  A play or two before that, the QB was motioning to the sideline to spike the ball to stop the clock, but evidently was overruled.  Not sure what the coaches were thinking, but if they had it to do over, I think they would play it very differently.

Positives for Hanover
Run game - The Panther's run game has improved weekly, culminating with 270 yards this week.  Spencer Corrao had 189 of that, and got a considerable amount of that up the middle.  Kudos to the O Line for their improvement and contributing greatly to the total for the day. This bodes well for the future, as the O Line consists of 1 Junior and 4 Sophomores.  If they can keep improving and stay injury free, they can become a strength of the team.

Never quit attitude - Both conference wins have been in comeback fashion.  Of course, it would be real nice to win a game without having to come back, but this team keeps fighting until the end.  I honestly didn't think there was enough time this week in the fourth quarter with the hole Hanover dug for themselves, but they reached down and found something to pull this one out.

More Work To Do
Turnovers - Last year was marked by winning the turnover differential several times, which kept Hanover in some games.  Turnovers are too prevalent this season.  5 TOs in the first half was really tough to overcome on Saturday, and gave Rose a short field for 2 of their scores.

Hanover still needs to put together a complete game where they play well in all phases of the game for 4 quarters. On to Anderson this week, and no time for a letdown. 

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 01, 2012, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 01, 2012, 09:36:15 AM
...
Hanover still needs to put together a complete game where they play well in all phases of the game for 4 quarters...

Amen to that... 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on October 05, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Longest conference winning streaks:

48 – Mount Union
25 – UW-Whitewater
21 – Cal Lutheran, Linfield, Mary Hardin-Baylor
20 – Franklin
17 – Johns Hopkins, North Central, St. Scholastica
14 – Monmouth
13 – Christopher Newport
10 – Amherst, St. Thomas

Will it be tough for the Griz to make it 21 this Saturday at MSJ?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2012, 07:42:40 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on October 05, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Longest conference winning streaks:

48 – Mount Union
25 – UW-Whitewater
21 – Cal Lutheran, Linfield, Mary Hardin-Baylor
20 – Franklin
17 – Johns Hopkins, North Central, St. Scholastica
14 – Monmouth
13 – Christopher Newport
10 – Amherst, St. Thomas

Will it be tough for the Griz to make it 21 this Saturday at MSJ?

In a word, no.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2012, 07:42:40 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on October 05, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Longest conference winning streaks:

48 – Mount Union
25 – UW-Whitewater
21 – Cal Lutheran, Linfield, Mary Hardin-Baylor
20 – Franklin
17 – Johns Hopkins, North Central, St. Scholastica
14 – Monmouth
13 – Christopher Newport
10 – Amherst, St. Thomas

Will it be tough for the Griz to make it 21 this Saturday at MSJ?

In a word, no.

While always fun to travel to MSJ, this years game (at least on paper) doesnt appear to measure up to some of the previous battles the Griz and Lions have waged.  It wouldnt be to far fetched to see Franklin ring up 40-50 points and not give up more than 10.  If the Griz can nuetralize the running game for MSJ the lions may be in for a long afternoon.  Regardless the delicious food and cold refreshments will be served on the upper deck of the parking garage and fun will be had by all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 05, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2012, 07:42:40 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on October 05, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Longest conference winning streaks:

48 – Mount Union
25 – UW-Whitewater
21 – Cal Lutheran, Linfield, Mary Hardin-Baylor
20 – Franklin
17 – Johns Hopkins, North Central, St. Scholastica
14 – Monmouth
13 – Christopher Newport
10 – Amherst, St. Thomas

Will it be tough for the Griz to make it 21 this Saturday at MSJ?

In a word, no.

While always fun to travel to MSJ, this years game (at least on paper) doesnt appear to measure up to some of the previous battles the Griz and Lions have waged.  It wouldnt be to far fetched to see Franklin ring up 40-50 points and not give up more than 10.  If the Griz can nuetralize the running game for MSJ the lions may be in for a long afternoon.  Regardless the delicious food and cold refreshments will be served on the upper deck of the parking garage and fun will be had by all.

While traditionally preferring the run over the pass, it appears as though MSJ is even more so this season.  When playing Hanover, it was also noteworthy that they gain most of their yards running right.  Left side was pretty much shut down all day.  Not sure what's up with that, but as you rightly note, shutting down the running game early will make for a long day.  Weather is supposed to be nice by gametime, if a little cool, so enjoy your tailgate!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 05, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 05, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2012, 07:42:40 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on October 05, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Longest conference winning streaks:

48 – Mount Union
25 – UW-Whitewater
21 – Cal Lutheran, Linfield, Mary Hardin-Baylor
20 – Franklin
17 – Johns Hopkins, North Central, St. Scholastica
14 – Monmouth
13 – Christopher Newport
10 – Amherst, St. Thomas

Will it be tough for the Griz to make it 21 this Saturday at MSJ?

In a word, no.

While always fun to travel to MSJ, this years game (at least on paper) doesnt appear to measure up to some of the previous battles the Griz and Lions have waged.  It wouldnt be to far fetched to see Franklin ring up 40-50 points and not give up more than 10.  If the Griz can nuetralize the running game for MSJ the lions may be in for a long afternoon.  Regardless the delicious food and cold refreshments will be served on the upper deck of the parking garage and fun will be had by all.

While traditionally preferring the run over the pass, it appears as though MSJ is even more so this season.  When playing Hanover, it was also noteworthy that they gain most of their yards running right.  Left side was pretty much shut down all day.  Not sure what's up with that, but as you rightly note, shutting down the running game early will make for a long day.  Weather is supposed to be nice by gametime, if a little cool, so enjoy your tailgate!

They completed one pass against Anderson in four quarters of play.  I'd put everyone including the band in the box and play Cover Zero behind it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 06, 2012, 03:31:48 PM
FC up 28-0 end of third.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 06, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
Bluffton over Rose-Hulman in 37-34  3OT (kickers were a combined 1-6 in the OT's) FG practice will be intensified this week. Yeah Beavers!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 07, 2012, 09:43:01 AM
Griz rang up a 38-0 win over MSJ.  Defense was stout all day holding James Clay to 65 yards on 28 carries. Offense not as sharp as normal but a shutout is always good.  On to the Ravens next week up in Anderson. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 07, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
10/13/12

MSJ @ Defiance      
Earlham @ Manchester      
Hanover @ Bluffton      
Franklin @ Anderson

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 08, 2012, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on October 07, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
10/13/12

MSJ @ Defiance      
Earlham @ Manchester      
Hanover @ Bluffton      
Franklin @ Anderson

Looking forward to this matchup on Saturday!  Coming off the big OT win at Rose Hulman should have the Beavers fired up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 08, 2012, 05:52:25 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 08, 2012, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on October 07, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
10/13/12

MSJ @ Defiance      
Earlham @ Manchester      
Hanover @ Bluffton      
Franklin @ Anderson

Looking forward to this matchup on Saturday!  Coming off the big OT win at Rose Hulman should have the Beavers fired up.
Big game. Winner will control their own destiny with a game against Franklin left. Bluffton is the underdog, but I think they will put up a great fight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2012, 10:44:10 PM
Everyone:

Say a prayer for the extended familes inclusive of Ted Karras, Jr. (former Northwestern University Big-Ten star, former HCAC DIII Rose-Hulman Head Coach and current Head Coach of NAIA Marion University in Indianapolis of the Mid-States League) as his uncle, famed former Detroit Lion NFL star (and of George Plimpton's "Paper Lion" book and movie) Alex Karras (who is the brother of his father Ted Karras, Sr.) is dying of kidney failure in California it was announced this evening.  Karras was sent home from the hospital to spend his last few days/hours with his family.  The Karras families have an extensive longtime history in football as most of you know.  Alex Karras is apparently also suffering from long term closed head injury and has been one of the leaders in the recent ongoing lawsuit against the NFL for concussions, until his illnesses recently put him on the sidelines.  So again, keep all of them in your prayers.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 10, 2012, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2012, 10:44:10 PM
Everyone:

Say a prayer for the extended familes inclusive of Ted Karras, Jr...

Sorry to hear about his passing today.  Didn't realize Alex was born in Gary, Indiana.  I'll never forget his role as Mongo in Blazing Saddles. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 13, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
The Griz licked the Ravens 69-0 today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 13, 2012, 06:03:20 PM
No assumption (ref. "Je praat nou k*k" in the HCAC pick'ems) - now fact concerning Defiance, and so much for resurgent kool aid.  Is it time to reschedule Hiram, along with Earlham and Wilmington to insure a three win season? Well, maybe to insure...  :o

Just another tough day with the pick'em spreads.  ;)  Nice job, Griz_Grad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 13, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
Hanover put together a nice effort at Bluffton today. The Beavers threw everything they had at the Panthers during the first quarter, but at the end of the quarter, the score was only 3-0 in their favor.  Hanover woke up, and started to move the ball, leading at half by a score of 14-10.

The second half was all Hanover as Bluffton could only muster another field goal.

The pre game taunting by the Beavers towards Hanover was a little strange.  Couldn't see what the t-shirt had written on it, nor why they ripped it up, but the refs stepped in before Bluffton could get any further downfield.  Pretty undisciplined way to start the game, but evidently the coaches didn't seem to mind as they let it go on.  Maybe next time, they should focus on playing the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 13, 2012, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 13, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
...  Couldn't see what the t-shirt had written on it, nor why they ripped it up, but the refs stepped in before Bluffton could get any further downfield...

My curiosity is peaked about the shirt...  They were approaching Hanover players when putting on this display?  They must have had a pretty intense half time talk...  Different team in the 2nd half.  The goal line stand was pretty intense and I was just listening to the webcast.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 14, 2012, 07:20:13 AM
Quote from: panthersfan on October 13, 2012, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 13, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
...  Couldn't see what the t-shirt had written on it, nor why they ripped it up, but the refs stepped in before Bluffton could get any further downfield...

My curiosity is peaked about the shirt...  They were approaching Hanover players when putting on this display?  They must have had a pretty intense half time talk...  Different team in the 2nd half.  The goal line stand was pretty intense and I was just listening to the webcast.

The Beavers broke through the sign the cheerleaders were holding for them to run through on the opposite end of the field from Hanover. One of Bluffton's front players through was carrying a white t shirt and was waving it towards Hanover before ripping it. They were yelling something while moving towards Hanover, but the refs saw it and stopped them around the 40 yard line.

Pretty comical stuff considering they then proceeded to lose, but at least they were fired up to start the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 14, 2012, 02:18:31 PM
Anyone know how Kyle Kovach is doing?  Noticed he didn't play at all in Rose's last game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 16, 2012, 07:35:29 AM
10/20/12

Anderson @ Earlham      
Defiance @ Hanover      
Rose-Hulman @ Franklin      
Manchester @ Mt. St. Joseph
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 20, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Congrats to Earlham on the big win.  Got that monkey off their back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Congrats Earlham on getting that first HCAC win. Now it'll be just a couple years and the Quakers will be fighting for the conference crown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Congrats Earlham on getting that first HCAC win. Now it'll be just a couple years and the Quakers will be fighting for the conference crown.

I assume you just couldn't find the [sarcasm] smiley. :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
I'd have to say it was semi-sarcastic. But with how things have gone this year they could conceivably be fighting for at least the top half in the not too distant future. Two years ago Manchester went 2-8 only beating Earlham in conference and are now sitting in 3rd.
Now that they've tasted victory they should have the confidence that they can win in the HCAC and build on it the next couple years. Maybe aim for 2 wins next year, 3 in 2014, and keep snowballing from there. I hope they keep improving (actually I'd like to see every team improve so we're not going 2-15 against other conferences)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 21, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
10/27/2012

Bluffton @ Anderson      
Rose-Hulman @ Mt. St. Joseph      
Earlham @ Hanover      
Franklin @ Defiance
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 21, 2012, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0. 

About all it illustrates is a woeful state of affairs for the HCAC bottom feeders  ;D.  Wouldn't surprise to see that "meaningful" number be around 211-0 after your scrimmage in NW Ohio next weekend.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2012, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0.
Great to see the defense stepping up, but it's not quite as good as Mount Union outscoring opponents 342-0 in their last 6 games. That 45-7 loss continues to look better and better for Franklin though... still the fewest points Mount has scored and the only team to score on them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 21, 2012, 10:41:38 AM
True that. 

BTW, where in h*ll have the other DC followers gone?  Nothing from 70s, JacketsBacker, JacketsFan, DC_alum in a long time... not that there has been anything particularly great to comment on from the Back 40.  Just hope for the program's sake they're recruiting their local towns (Napoleon and Bryan) darned heavily right now.  Both teams unbeaten, playoff bound in DIII OHSAA, and within twenty minutes of campus!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on October 21, 2012, 02:56:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2012, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0.
Great to see the defense stepping up, but it's not quite as good as Mount Union outscoring opponents 342-0 in their last 6 games. That 45-7 loss continues to look better and better for Franklin though... still the fewest points Mount has scored and the only team to score on them.

And that game was a lot closer than the score might indicate. That effort looks better & better for the Grizzlies, given nobody has scored on Mt. Union or held their offense under 50 since.

Sure, Earlham and Anderson have been struggling, but I'm really impressed with what the Griz have done the last 3 weeks. To shut out MSJ with the nation's leading rusher is a pretty good effort. Yesterday was a 56-0 win over a Rose-Hulman team that had Hanover beat three weeks ago (and was two OT losses away from being 4-0 in the conference). Rose didn't have Kovach available save 1 play, but they still have looked like an upper-division HCAC team in their results so far this season.

The other impressive thing yesterday was the number of freshmen and underclassmen who were contributing for Franklin yesterday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 22, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 21, 2012, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0. 

About all it illustrates is a woeful state of affairs for the HCAC bottom feeders  ;D.  Wouldn't surprise to see that "meaningful" number be around 211-0 after your scrimmage in NW Ohio next weekend.  ;)

Only 48 points for the Griz this week?  Possibly due to cold wet weather. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 22, 2012, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 22, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 21, 2012, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0. 

About all it illustrates is a woeful state of affairs for the HCAC bottom feeders  ;D.  Wouldn't surprise to see that "meaningful" number be around 211-0 after your scrimmage in NW Ohio next weekend.  ;)

Only 48 points for the Griz this week?  Possibly due to cold wet weather. ;)

Could suggest/agree with your premise, plus natural turf/bovine pasture depending on its condition after the Homecoming monsoon vs Man U. as seemingly a last holdout for a Defiance resurgence on this Board.  Alas, nothing so cerebral.  With fogged bifocals, this decrepit old fool hit the <2>, <1>, <1> as allowed his bratwurst digits do the walking.  ;D


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 22, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 22, 2012, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 22, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 21, 2012, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Interesting statistic maybe only I care about:   The Griz have beaten their last 3 opponents 163-0. 

About all it illustrates is a woeful state of affairs for the HCAC bottom feeders  ;D.  Wouldn't surprise to see that "meaningful" number be around 211-0 after your scrimmage in NW Ohio next weekend.  ;)


Only 48 points for the Griz this week?  Possibly due to cold wet weather. ;)

Could suggest/agree with your premise, plus natural turf/bovine pasture depending on its condition after the Homecoming monsoon vs Man U. as seemingly a last holdout for a Defiance resurgence on this Board.  Alas, nothing so cerebral.  With fogged bifocals, this decrepit old fool hit the <2>, <1>, <1> as allowed his bratwurst digits do the walking.  ;D

I forgot about the crown on that field that requires a periscope in the first three rows of the visitor  to see the home team!!  Quite a unique set-up :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 22, 2012, 06:59:58 PM
As well as hip boots along the visitors sidelines post rain event - but the residual drainage provides contented cattails and a filled Wohn's Pond. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 21, 2012, 10:41:38 AM
True that. 

BTW, where in h*ll have the other DC followers gone?  Nothing from 70s, JacketsBacker, JacketsFan, DC_alum in a long time... not that there has been anything particularly great to comment on from the Back 40.  Just hope for the program's sake they're recruiting their local towns (Napoleon and Bryan) darned heavily right now.  Both teams unbeaten, playoff bound in DIII OHSAA, and within twenty minutes of campus!

You are right, there has not been much to comment about for DC.  I have had the opportunity to catch a few games while in the office on Saturday and it is tough to watch.  At moments you see a team with potential and then the next it is pure awful.  At this point, I do not know where to place the blame for this year performance.  Is it the new coach and a new system or is just lack of talent? 
I am overall frustrated with DC sports as a whole. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 27, 2012, 10:17:14 AM
Chris Fowler just offered the ESPN Game Day Crew $200 if they could name the only team that has scored against Mt. Union this year.  Desmond and Herbie offered no guess, Lee Corso said Findlay.  Lee wanted half the money for being close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on October 27, 2012, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on October 27, 2012, 10:17:14 AM
Chris Fowler just offered the ESPN Game Day Crew $200 if they could name the only team that has scored against Mt. Union this year.  Desmond and Herbie offered no guess, Lee Corso said Findlay.  Lee wanted half the money for being close.

That's awesome!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 27, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
Not a good game for the first three quarters by the Grizzlies, but a TD set up by a great play where Linville reached his hand out to knock the ball back into the air then brought it in on a long pass makes it 35-14 in the 4th and likely out of reach now.
Assuming the scores hold, that officially sets up the Victory Bell game in 2 weeks to be for the conference crown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
It's so quiet around here... let's talk about the possibility of trap games this weekend. Since a loss doesn't affect the title chances of Hanover or Franklin, could one or both be upset?
I don't think Franklin will come out as flat as they did last week and should handle Bluffton because of it, but I could see Manchester putting a scare into the Panthers. The Spartans have won their last 4 and their only loss by more than 10 was to Franklin which was 21.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
I haven't posted on your board for a long time.  Nonetheless, I'll help you out here. ;D ;)  I assume that Franklin appears to have a very good chance of winning their last two games and thus being 8-2.  The two losses they had being understandable, although obviously I realize they would have liked to have pulled at least one upset out of those first two games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 30, 2012, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
It's so quiet around here... let's talk about the possibility of trap games this weekend. Since a loss doesn't affect the title chances of Hanover or Franklin, could one or both be upset?
I don't think Franklin will come out as flat as they did last week and should handle Bluffton because of it, but I could see Manchester putting a scare into the Panthers. The Spartans have won their last 4 and their only loss by more than 10 was to Franklin which was 21.

Manchester for sure isn't the team they were a couple years ago, and sitting at 2nd place in the conference has to make them feel pretty good.  I have no doubt that they will bring everything this Saturday against Hanover.  Good teams don't get caught by trap games very often, and as Hanover is working towards being a good team, I think they will be prepared. Perhaps another question to ask is whether a 'significant' win for Hanover against Manchester has any bearing mentally heading into the Victory Bell game?

I seriously doubt that Franklin will have any trouble with the Beavers, regardless of the slow start last week.  If they are going to beat Franklin, they will need to do it for all 4 quarters, not just a quarter or two, and I don't think they have that in them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2012, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 30, 2012, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
It's so quiet around here... let's talk about the possibility of trap games this weekend. Since a loss doesn't affect the title chances of Hanover or Franklin, could one or both be upset?
I don't think Franklin will come out as flat as they did last week and should handle Bluffton because of it, but I could see Manchester putting a scare into the Panthers. The Spartans have won their last 4 and their only loss by more than 10 was to Franklin which was 21.

Manchester for sure isn't the team they were a couple years ago, and sitting at 2nd place in the conference has to make them feel pretty good.  I have no doubt that they will bring everything this Saturday against Hanover.  Good teams don't get caught by trap games very often, and as Hanover is working towards being a good team, I think they will be prepared. Perhaps another question to ask is whether a 'significant' win for Hanover against Manchester has any bearing mentally heading into the Victory Bell game?

I seriously doubt that Franklin will have any trouble with the Beavers, regardless of the slow start last week.  If they are going to beat Franklin, they will need to do it for all 4 quarters, not just a quarter or two, and I don't think they have that in them.

The "trap" game could be 11/10 in Franklin with Hanover if the GRIZ play at the level they played up in Defiance. 4 lost fumbles and an interception to go with 18/36 passing.  Assuming weather holds up as predicted Sat in Franklin, the Beavers may be in for a long day.  Hopefully the effort in Defiance got everyone's attention and this week practice will be sharp and everyone focused.  I am looking forward to 11/10. A true conference championship game in front of a packed house.  Should be fun.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 30, 2012, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2012, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on October 30, 2012, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
It's so quiet around here... let's talk about the possibility of trap games this weekend. Since a loss doesn't affect the title chances of Hanover or Franklin, could one or both be upset?
I don't think Franklin will come out as flat as they did last week and should handle Bluffton because of it, but I could see Manchester putting a scare into the Panthers. The Spartans have won their last 4 and their only loss by more than 10 was to Franklin which was 21.

Manchester for sure isn't the team they were a couple years ago, and sitting at 2nd place in the conference has to make them feel pretty good.  I have no doubt that they will bring everything this Saturday against Hanover.  Good teams don't get caught by trap games very often, and as Hanover is working towards being a good team, I think they will be prepared. Perhaps another question to ask is whether a 'significant' win for Hanover against Manchester has any bearing mentally heading into the Victory Bell game?

I seriously doubt that Franklin will have any trouble with the Beavers, regardless of the slow start last week.  If they are going to beat Franklin, they will need to do it for all 4 quarters, not just a quarter or two, and I don't think they have that in them.

The "trap" game could be 11/10 in Franklin with Hanover if the GRIZ play at the level they played up in Defiance. 4 lost fumbles and an interception to go with 18/36 passing.  Assuming weather holds up as predicted Sat in Franklin, the Beavers may be in for a long day.  Hopefully the effort in Defiance got everyone's attention and this week practice will be sharp and everyone focused.  I am looking forward to 11/10. A true conference championship game in front of a packed house.  Should be fun.

I am looking forward to that game also.  Looking at the results from the last 4 meetings, Hanover has lost by scores from 14 to 30 something.  It will be interesting to see if they have closed the gap any.  Aside from the Defiance game, Franklin isn't known for making too many mistakes, and knowing that the game is for the conference championship, I expect a solid effort.

Hanover has experienced some adversity in a few games this season, and has found a way to win, so they have that going for them.  If the Panthers don't turn the ball over and give the Griz a short field, they will at least make it a good game.  If they are in striking distance in the 4th Quarter, I feel pretty good about our chances.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 30, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

So it looks like Manchester and Bluffton are the last grass holdouts in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

Maybe they will get rid of that ridiculous pitch in the middle of the field at defiance. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on October 30, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

So it looks like Manchester and Bluffton are the last grass holdouts in the HCAC.
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on October 30, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

So it looks like Manchester and Bluffton are the last grass holdouts in the HCAC.

That is good and I do not doubt that the other two will eventually do the same.  They will have to in order to "keep up with the Jones' as that saying goes. ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 30, 2012, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

Maybe they will get rid of that ridiculous pitch in the middle of the field at defiance. 

It's all about fairness, Griz Backer, fairness.  Just wouldn't be right if one team was lauded for blocking and running downhill and an adversary didn't receive an equal opportunity at a similar outcome (even when talent- or skill-challenged, comparatively).   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 30, 2012, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 30, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

Maybe they will get rid of that ridiculous pitch in the middle of the field at defiance. 
Never made the connection!!  Lol
It's all about fairness, Griz Backer, fairness.  Just wouldn't be right if one team was lauded for blocking and running downhill and an adversary didn't receive an equal opportunity at a similar outcome (even when talent- or skill-challenged, comparatively).   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 31, 2012, 08:40:31 AM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on October 30, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 30, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Go GRIZ - finish out the season strong!

Glad to see that Defiance is putting in FieldTurf, their field is usually in pretty bad shape.

So it looks like Manchester and Bluffton are the last grass holdouts in the HCAC.

http://www.otterbein360.com/article/2012/10/turf-on-directors-to-do-list

Looks like Otterbein of the OAC wants turf sooner rather than later so Bluffton, Oberlin and Ohio Northern locked in a triple cage death match to see which Ohio college/university will be the last to play on natural grass.

http://www.onusports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/201209190avd1p (ONU at least has turf and lights on their long term radar)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2012, 01:41:50 PM
Nice article in Around The Region about our friends in Hanover, IN related to the first year coach.  Great to see an HCAC team on the upswing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 01, 2012, 08:44:41 AM
GRIZ Ranked just #10 in the North Region??? 3 teams from the NCAC are ranked ahead of Franklin although only 1 will make playoffs. But I guess with the next two weeks playing out,Franklin will only move up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 01, 2012, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 01, 2012, 08:44:41 AM
GRIZ Ranked just #10 in the North Region??? 3 teams from the NCAC are ranked ahead of Franklin although only 1 will make playoffs. But I guess with the next two weeks playing out,Franklin will only move up.

Franklin will probably get a 5/6 seed when the dust settles.  I would prefer a 6 as FC can beat a 3 on the road.  While a 4/5 might be more likely to advance, going to play Mt Union of a team of that caliber wouldnt be good.  Not a lot of though goes into the rankins.  its all record and SOS.  FC could juice its record and play two weeaker teams the first two weeks and be 10-0 every year or they can play top talent in D3 and 1-AA teams.  FC at 8-2 is very deceiving IMO

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Guys --- a two loss Franklin team from the HCAC is just not going to be ranked highly on the Regional Rankings.  Period.  Doesn't matter who their losses were against.  What is holding Franklin back regionally more than those two losses is the fact the Heartland is not competitive outside of Franklin.  OK, so you played two GREAT teams in the non conference -- I give you that.   What is holding you back is the view that you are playing 8 teams in your conference that just aren't very good.   

The HCAC is 4-14 in playoff games since 1999.  Franklin has 3 of those wins.  Franklin has raised their level of play and made some fans regionally, but the HCAC thing is holding them back as far as the "respect factor". 

How have they done outside of the conference? 

Since 2005, the current teams in the HCAC are 76-117 when they step out of conference (and half of MSJ's 16 wins shouldn't count because they are against Wilmington).  I didn't count playoff games.  Each school's records OOC are as follows:

Mount St Joseph 16-5
Franklin 14-8
RHIT 14-8
Manchester 8-14
Defiance 6-16
Earlham 6-16
Bluffton 5-15
Anderson 5-17
Hanover 2-19

Frankly, I think Franklin would be better off in the NCAC or anywhere else, if you're looking for more respect in the regional polls with 2 OOC losses.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 01, 2012, 02:20:18 PM
True, but those two teams were Mount Union, the #1 team in the nation,and Butler who is undefeated in the Pioneer League. The Pioneer league champ starting next season will get an auto bid to the NCAA D1 FCS playoffs. I would argue,Franklin had the hardest first two games in the country of D3 teams. Could have faired better though I guess! But,in reality,I feel Franklin is just as good as any team below Mount Union in the north region. If they can take care of business the next two Saturdays they will then get the chance to prove it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 01, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Guys --- a two loss Franklin team from the HCAC is just not going to be ranked highly on the Regional Rankings.  Period.  Doesn't matter who their losses were against.  What is holding Franklin back regionally more than those two losses is the fact the Heartland is not competitive outside of Franklin.  OK, so you played two GREAT teams in the non conference -- I give you that.   What is holding you back is the view that you are playing 8 teams in your conference that just aren't very good.   

The HCAC is 4-14 in playoff games since 1999.  Franklin has 3 of those wins.  Franklin has raised their level of play and made some fans regionally, but the HCAC thing is holding them back as far as the "respect factor". 

How have they done outside of the conference? 

Since 2005, the current teams in the HCAC are 76-117 when they step out of conference (and half of MSJ's 16 wins shouldn't count because they are against Wilmington).  I didn't count playoff games.  Each school's records OOC are as follows:

Mount St Joseph 16-5
Franklin 14-8
RHIT 14-8
Manchester 8-14
Defiance 6-16
Earlham 6-16
Bluffton 5-15
Anderson 5-17
Hanover 2-19

Frankly, I think Franklin would be better off in the NCAC or anywhere else, if you're looking for more respect in the regional polls with 2 OOC losses.

To my knowledge Franklin is not a member of Phi Beta Kappa, so it is unlikely that the NCAC (of which all of its members are PBK) would ever invite Franklin into their membership.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 01, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 01, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Frankly, I think Franklin would be better off in the NCAC or anywhere else, if you're looking for more respect in the regional polls with 2 OOC losses.

To my knowledge Franklin is not a member of Phi Beta Kappa, so it is unlikely that the NCAC (of which all of its members are PBK) would ever invite Franklin into their membership.

You're correct, BU, regarding the requisite academic creds coupled with recent addition of DePauw (respectful spelling until after Saturday  ;D) which gives the NCAC ten teams and a full round-robin schedule for next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 01, 2012, 02:20:18 PM
True, but those two teams were Mount Union, the #1 team in the nation,and Butler who is undefeated in the Pioneer League. The Pioneer league champ starting next season will get an auto bid to the NCAA D1 FCS playoffs. I would argue,Franklin had the hardest first two games in the country of D3 teams. Could have faired better though I guess! But,in reality,I feel Franklin is just as good as any team below Mount Union in the north region. If they can take care of business the next two Saturdays they will then get the chance to prove it.

gofor7pitt:

Interesting.  Finally, the Pioneer League gets the opportunity to have an automatic bid to the Div I FCS playoffs.  I know some people will disagree with that, however, I think it is fine and about time.  They may not get far, yet, one never knows as every once in a while, one of the Pioneer League teams turns out to be very competitive in some years in the past (recall for example Harbaugh's San Diego team, Butler and Dayton and even Valpo a few years ago on year).  It will be interesting to see how that goes, yet, again, I'm glad to see it finally happen.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 01, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
I believe Franklin is better than #10 in the region, but that's not what these rankings are necessarily designed to figure out.  Does anybody believe CUC is the second best team in the region right this minute?  Including the people on the RAC that created the list?  Of course they don't. 

Franklin is where they are because they have a terrible SOS (.430, the same as Heidelberg) and zero quality wins.  I don't think there is a massive gulf between Franklin (#10) and Heidelberg (#6) in these rankings.  Heidelberg will be ahead of Franklin right now because their game against the common opponent wasn't quite as brutal as Franklin's was.  At the moment, Franklin has not beaten a team with winning record.  I think it's easy to look at the teams ahead of Franklin who have so-so schedules and zero quality wins (I'm looking from Elmhurst down) and convince yourself that all of those teams would post the same record Franklin has against that schedule. 

It is true that Franklin's non-league games were about as tough as you can get.  But you can't just waive those results off and pretend they didn't happen, or even worse, actively reward a team for losing.  It can't be good enough just to put Mount Union on the schedule.  You've either got to win that game or be competitive in the game to get any positive inertia from it in the rankings.  Really, right now, Franklin hasn't done anything that Otterbein hasn't done and Otterbein is nowhere near the playoff conversation. 

As it is, Franklin is setting themselves up as a team that you'd look at from a #6 or #7 spot in a region to go out on the road and ambush somebody. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 01, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 01, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Guys --- a two loss Franklin team from the HCAC is just not going to be ranked highly on the Regional Rankings.  Period.  Doesn't matter who their losses were against.  What is holding Franklin back regionally more than those two losses is the fact the Heartland is not competitive outside of Franklin.  OK, so you played two GREAT teams in the non conference -- I give you that.   What is holding you back is the view that you are playing 8 teams in your conference that just aren't very good.   

The HCAC is 4-14 in playoff games since 1999.  Franklin has 3 of those wins.  Franklin has raised their level of play and made some fans regionally, but the HCAC thing is holding them back as far as the "respect factor". 

How have they done outside of the conference? 

Since 2005, the current teams in the HCAC are 76-117 when they step out of conference (and half of MSJ's 16 wins shouldn't count because they are against Wilmington).  I didn't count playoff games.  Each school's records OOC are as follows:

Mount St Joseph 16-5
Franklin 14-8
RHIT 14-8
Manchester 8-14
Defiance 6-16
Earlham 6-16
Bluffton 5-15
Anderson 5-17
Hanover 2-19

Frankly, I think Franklin would be better off in the NCAC or anywhere else, if you're looking for more respect in the regional polls with 2 OOC losses.

To my knowledge Franklin is not a member of Phi Beta Kappa, so it is unlikely that the NCAC (of which all of its members are PBK) would ever invite Franklin into their membership.

You're missing my point. There was a complaint that three NCAC teams were in front of Franklin. My post demonstrates why...as does Wally's breakdown of the rankings.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 01, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 01, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
I believe Franklin is better than #10 in the region, but that's not what these rankings are necessarily designed to figure out.  Does anybody believe CUC is the second best team in the region right this minute?  Including the people on the RAC that created the list?  Of course they don't. 

Franklin is where they are because they have a terrible SOS (.430, the same as Heidelberg) and zero quality wins.  I don't think there is a massive gulf between Franklin (#10) and Heidelberg (#6) in these rankings.  Heidelberg will be ahead of Franklin right now because their game against the common opponent wasn't quite as brutal as Franklin's was.  At the moment, Franklin has not beaten a team with winning record.  I think it's easy to look at the teams ahead of Franklin who have so-so schedules and zero quality wins (I'm looking from Elmhurst down) and convince yourself that all of those teams would post the same record Franklin has against that schedule. 

It is true that Franklin's non-league games were about as tough as you can get.  But you can't just waive those results off and pretend they didn't happen, or even worse, actively reward a team for losing.  It can't be good enough just to put Mount Union on the schedule.  You've either got to win that game or be competitive in the game to get any positive inertia from it in the rankings.  Really, right now, Franklin hasn't done anything that Otterbein hasn't done and Otterbein is nowhere near the playoff conversation. 

As it is, Franklin is setting themselves up as a team that you'd look at from a #6 or #7 spot in a region to go out on the road and ambush somebody.

If the road goes thru Crawfordsville I like FC's chances.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 01, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 01, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 01, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
I believe Franklin is better than #10 in the region, but that's not what these rankings are necessarily designed to figure out.  Does anybody believe CUC is the second best team in the region right this minute?  Including the people on the RAC that created the list?  Of course they don't. 

Franklin is where they are because they have a terrible SOS (.430, the same as Heidelberg) and zero quality wins.  I don't think there is a massive gulf between Franklin (#10) and Heidelberg (#6) in these rankings.  Heidelberg will be ahead of Franklin right now because their game against the common opponent wasn't quite as brutal as Franklin's was.  At the moment, Franklin has not beaten a team with winning record.  I think it's easy to look at the teams ahead of Franklin who have so-so schedules and zero quality wins (I'm looking from Elmhurst down) and convince yourself that all of those teams would post the same record Franklin has against that schedule. 

It is true that Franklin's non-league games were about as tough as you can get.  But you can't just waive those results off and pretend they didn't happen, or even worse, actively reward a team for losing.  It can't be good enough just to put Mount Union on the schedule.  You've either got to win that game or be competitive in the game to get any positive inertia from it in the rankings.  Really, right now, Franklin hasn't done anything that Otterbein hasn't done and Otterbein is nowhere near the playoff conversation. 

As it is, Franklin is setting themselves up as a team that you'd look at from a #6 or #7 spot in a region to go out on the road and ambush somebody.

If the road goes thru Crawfordsville I like FC's chances.

Why wouldn't you?  Franklin has a good team. 

I wasn't trying to bang on the Grizz there, just trying to explain the ranking a bit.  I wouldn't be too rankled about this if I were Franklin.  This is the kind of thing where you'll see a good team with a loss go out on the road and thump on pretenders who ran through weaker leagues undefeated.  Maybe you'll hit the CUC lottery. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 02, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 01, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 01, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 01, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
I believe Franklin is better than #10 in the region, but that's not what these rankings are necessarily designed to figure out.  Does anybody believe CUC is the second best team in the region right this minute?  Including the people on the RAC that created the list?  Of course they don't. 

Franklin is where they are because they have a terrible SOS (.430, the same as Heidelberg) and zero quality wins.  I don't think there is a massive gulf between Franklin (#10) and Heidelberg (#6) in these rankings.  Heidelberg will be ahead of Franklin right now because their game against the common opponent wasn't quite as brutal as Franklin's was.  At the moment, Franklin has not beaten a team with winning record.  I think it's easy to look at the teams ahead of Franklin who have so-so schedules and zero quality wins (I'm looking from Elmhurst down) and convince yourself that all of those teams would post the same record Franklin has against that schedule. 

It is true that Franklin's non-league games were about as tough as you can get.  But you can't just waive those results off and pretend they didn't happen, or even worse, actively reward a team for losing.  It can't be good enough just to put Mount Union on the schedule.  You've either got to win that game or be competitive in the game to get any positive inertia from it in the rankings.  Really, right now, Franklin hasn't done anything that Otterbein hasn't done and Otterbein is nowhere near the playoff conversation. 

As it is, Franklin is setting themselves up as a team that you'd look at from a #6 or #7 spot in a region to go out on the road and ambush somebody.

If the road goes thru Crawfordsville I like FC's chances.

Why wouldn't you?  Franklin has a good team. 

I wasn't trying to bang on the Grizz there, just trying to explain the ranking a bit.  I wouldn't be too rankled about this if I were Franklin.  This is the kind of thing where you'll see a good team with a loss go out on the road and thump on pretenders who ran through weaker leagues undefeated.  Maybe you'll hit the CUC lottery.

No rankle here. HCAC is what it is.  The GRIZ need to get by a resurgent Hanover on 11/17 first or all this is just speculation. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2012, 06:47:54 AM
What I'd like to see is Franklin schedule some of the semi-elite teams of the region. It's nice to play a team like Mount Union to see a top team, but I think it would be much more beneficial to play teams like Wabash, North Central, Wittenberg, etc which are still solid programs but are games that would be competitive and Franklin might actually win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 02, 2012, 07:18:33 AM
I agree Wally........The way things are shaping up for Franklin, the situation could be favorable to getting to a 3rd round game. However if the Griz win their last 2 games, they will beat teams both with winning records. Don't move us up too much!  Ha ha.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 02, 2012, 08:41:08 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2012, 06:47:54 AM
What I'd like to see is Franklin schedule some of the semi-elite teams of the region. It's nice to play a team like Mount Union to see a top team, but I think it would be much more beneficial to play teams like Wabash, North Central, Wittenberg, etc which are still solid programs but are games that would be competitive and Franklin might actually win.

I agree with your comments above. Competitive winnable games in Region would also be more fun and would give FC a chance when they run the table of a good seed etc. The GRIZ will be lucky to get a 6 if they get in and the two losses were self inflicted IMO. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Big upset with Manchester holding on to beat Hanover. With a win next week over Anderson they would finish above .500 for the first time this millennium. Add in a Franklin win over Hanover and they would finish 2nd in the conference. Not bad for a team picked 7th by the coaches.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 03, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2012, 06:47:54 AM
What I'd like to see is Franklin schedule some of the semi-elite teams of the region. It's nice to play a team like Mount Union to see a top team, but I think it would be much more beneficial to play teams like Wabash, North Central, Wittenberg, etc which are still solid programs but are games that would be competitive and Franklin might actually win.

I do like FC's willingness to schedule both of the purples in back-to-back years (and playing Butler/Valpo actually gives you the ability to play a quality foe with no penalty in the rankings since it's a non-D3 foe). But the Griz have played some of those teams in the past -- home-and-homes with Wabash, Trine in the Watt years, playing Baldwin-Wallace, for example. The HCAC rarely gets a Pool C bid (although MSJ did a few years back), so scheduling "up" is a pretty solid strategy. Although both Butler & Mt. Union in the same year is pretty brutal, FC was much more competitive in the UMU game than the score might have indicated. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 03, 2012, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Big upset with Manchester holding on to beat Hanover. With a win next week over Anderson they would finish above .500 for the first time this millennium. Add in a Franklin win over Hanover and they would finish 2nd in the conference. Not bad for a team picked 7th by the coaches.

Manchester has very quietly had a very nice season, but today was a big eye-opener. Hanover has had some huge comebacks this year -- the RHIT game so far has kept them in contention -- and nearly pulled it off today. MC led 35-14 midway through the third, then I looked back at the score and it was 35-34 in about 5 minutes of clock time. Next Saturday's Franklin-Hanover tussle is going to be fun, especially with the quality of the two offenses.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 04, 2012, 07:17:28 AM
10/10/12

Mt.St. Joe @ Thomas More (last chance for an OOC win for the HCAC)   
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman
Hanover @ Franklin      
Defiance @ Bluffton (good clean game please!)   
Manchester @ Anderson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 04, 2012, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Big upset with Manchester holding on to beat Hanover. With a win next week over Anderson they would finish above .500 for the first time this millennium. Add in a Franklin win over Hanover and they would finish 2nd in the conference. Not bad for a team picked 7th by the coaches.

Nice win for the Spartans yesterday.  The Panthers made a good game of it near the end, but it proved too little, too late.  The Hanover O missed a lot of opportunities in the first half, and was lucky to only be down by 7.  The second half started nicely for the O, but a few missed tackles by the D gave Manchester some long gains and scores.  Throw in a blocked XP and missed XP, and you get the final outcome.

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was a potential trap game for Hanover.  You can't expect to go on the road and play a team like Manchester and not bring your A game.  I am hopeful this game irritates the Hanover players and they practice with a renewed intensity this week.

If the complete Hanover shows up on Saturday, the Victory Bell game is going to be one for the ages.  Hoping that is the case!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 04, 2012, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Big upset with Manchester holding on to beat Hanover. With a win next week over Anderson they would finish above .500 for the first time this millennium. Add in a Franklin win over Hanover and they would finish 2nd in the conference. Not bad for a team picked 7th by the coaches.

Nice win for the Spartans yesterday.  The Panthers made a good game of it near the end, but it proved too little, too late.  The Hanover O missed a lot of opportunities in the first half, and was lucky to only be down by 7.  The second half started nicely for the O, but a few missed tackles by the D gave Manchester some long gains and scores.  Throw in a blocked XP and missed XP, and you get the final outcome.

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was a potential trap game for Hanover.  You can't expect to go on the road and play a team like Manchester and not bring your A game.  I am hopeful this game irritates the Hanover players and they practice with a renewed intensity this week.

If the complete Hanover shows up on Saturday, the Victory Bell game is going to be one for the ages.  Hoping that is the case!

The game should come down to how well the Hanover O line can handle the GRIZ D line and linebackers.  Unlike previous years, the GRIZ have a very solid defense and can keep the ball on the ground if needed on offense. Only 72 points given up in the conference this year and only 23 in the last five weeks. Less than 50 points in conference against the starters all season.  Anything can happen though. (ask Wabash about Oberlin).  I am confident the GRIZ will be focused and ready and in reality the playoffs start this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 04, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Shameless plug; Watch Franklin-Hanover live at GrizzlyBall.com on Saturday. Just don't beat up the play-by-play guy too much :).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 05, 2012, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 04, 2012, 09:55:49 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Big upset with Manchester holding on to beat Hanover. With a win next week over Anderson they would finish above .500 for the first time this millennium. Add in a Franklin win over Hanover and they would finish 2nd in the conference. Not bad for a team picked 7th by the coaches.

Nice win for the Spartans yesterday.  The Panthers made a good game of it near the end, but it proved too little, too late.  The Hanover O missed a lot of opportunities in the first half, and was lucky to only be down by 7.  The second half started nicely for the O, but a few missed tackles by the D gave Manchester some long gains and scores.  Throw in a blocked XP and missed XP, and you get the final outcome.

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was a potential trap game for Hanover.  You can't expect to go on the road and play a team like Manchester and not bring your A game.  I am hopeful this game irritates the Hanover players and they practice with a renewed intensity this week.

If the complete Hanover shows up on Saturday, the Victory Bell game is going to be one for the ages.  Hoping that is the case!

The game should come down to how well the Hanover O line can handle the GRIZ D line and linebackers.  Unlike previous years, the GRIZ have a very solid defense and can keep the ball on the ground if needed on offense. Only 72 points given up in the conference this year and only 23 in the last five weeks. Less than 50 points in conference against the starters all season.  Anything can happen though. (ask Wabash about Oberlin).  I am confident the GRIZ will be focused and ready and in reality the playoffs start this week.

The Griz D Line will be a real test for Hanover's young O Line.  They haven't faced the kind of opponent that they will this Saturday since very early in the season, and I expect the game plan for Franklin to be built around various stunts and blitz packages to attempt to confuse the Panthers O Line.  If the O Line can keep Dexter Britt upright and give him time to pass, this will be an interesting game.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Franklin is playing one of their Offensive Tackles on the D Line.  Am I just making this up, or is this really the case?  Is the D Line rotation for the Griz dealing with a lot of injuries or just a weak part of the D?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 05, 2012, 10:18:15 AM
Junior Colin Gallagher is a two-way lineman for the Grizzlies.  He is a three year starter on offense and is in the DL rotation this season.  He leads the team with 7 sacks.  Not bad since the Grizzlies use constant rotation on the D-line.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 04, 2012, 09:55:49 AM

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was a potential trap game for Hanover. You can't expect to go on the road and play a team like Manchester and not bring your A game.  I am hopeful this game irritates the Hanover players and they practice with a renewed intensity this week.


After being on this website for 13 years --- I can barely believe that I'm reading this and that its not a tongue-in-cheek post.  Unbelieveable how Manchester has come up from the basement... even worse than the basement, being compared to Man U Football Club in Manchester, England. 


SF was in South Bend for the 3 OT thriller this weekend.  Could not believe what I was seeing quite a few times on Saturday.  If you were at the game, I was the fan yelling "NEVER A DOUBT" on the way out of the stadium. 

If you ask me, they are definitely on a Magic Carpet Ride this year.  Look for them in the Title Game..

Side note:  It was my wife's first trip to a ND home game and needless to say she's hooked.  I did tell her that not every game will end like that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 05, 2012, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2012, 12:25:46 PM

After being on this website for 13 years --- I can barely believe that I'm reading this and that its not a tongue-in-cheek post.  Unbelieveable how Manchester has come up from the basement... even worse than the basement, being compared to Man U Football Club in Manchester, England. 


SF was in South Bend for the 3 OT thriller this weekend.  Could not believe what I was seeing quite a few times on Saturday.  If you were at the game, I was the fan yelling "NEVER A DOUBT" on the way out of the stadium. 

If you ask me, they are definitely on a Magic Carpet Ride this year.  Look for them in the Title Game..

Side note:  It was my wife's first trip to a ND home game and needless to say she's hooked.  I did tell her that not every game will end like that.

I knew since their opening game against Trine they'd be a team to be wary of, especially at home on Sr Day.  Very well could be the best thing that could've happened to Hanover before the trip to Franklin.

It has been several years ago now but I finally made the trip to South Bend for a ND game.  It is truly an awesome experience.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 04, 2012, 09:55:49 AM

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was a potential trap game for Hanover. You can't expect to go on the road and play a team like Manchester and not bring your A game.  I am hopeful this game irritates the Hanover players and they practice with a renewed intensity this week.


After being on this website for 13 years --- I can barely believe that I'm reading this and that its not a tongue-in-cheek post.  Unbelieveable how Manchester has come up from the basement... even worse than the basement, being compared to Man U Football Club in Manchester, England. 


SF was in South Bend for the 3 OT thriller this weekend.  Could not believe what I was seeing quite a few times on Saturday.  If you were at the game, I was the fan yelling "NEVER A DOUBT" on the way out of the stadium. 

If you ask me, they are definitely on a Magic Carpet Ride this year.  Look for them in the Title Game..

Side note:  It was my wife's first trip to a ND home game and needless to say she's hooked.  I did tell her that not every game will end like that.

SaintsFAN:

Glad you and your new wife had a chance to enjoy the game and the trip.  Obviously, it was an exciting game.  I don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but right now at this point, I think that USC will come back and spoil ND's magic carpet ride - although I could be wrong.  ND could just pull that one off too.

Also, as you mentioned, nice to see Manchester improved (kind of like our Olivet was for a while back).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2012, 09:22:01 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 04, 2012, 09:55:49 AM

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was a potential trap game for Hanover. You can't expect to go on the road and play a team like Manchester and not bring your A game.  I am hopeful this game irritates the Hanover players and they practice with a renewed intensity this week.


After being on this website for 13 years --- I can barely believe that I'm reading this and that its not a tongue-in-cheek post.  Unbelieveable how Manchester has come up from the basement... even worse than the basement, being compared to Man U Football Club in Manchester, England. 


SF was in South Bend for the 3 OT thriller this weekend.  Could not believe what I was seeing quite a few times on Saturday.  If you were at the game, I was the fan yelling "NEVER A DOUBT" on the way out of the stadium. 

If you ask me, they are definitely on a Magic Carpet Ride this year.  Look for them in the Title Game..

Side note:  It was my wife's first trip to a ND home game and needless to say she's hooked.  I did tell her that not every game will end like that.

SaintsFAN:

Glad you and your new wife had a chance to enjoy the game and the trip.  Obviously, it was an exciting game.  I don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but right now at this point, I think that USC will come back and spoil ND's magic carpet ride - although I could be wrong.  ND could just pull that one off too.

Also, as you mentioned, nice to see Manchester improved (kind of like our Olivet was for a while back).

We'll see but I think ND is alot like Stanford (very physical) and I think that USC is in trouble with Kiffin.. they aren't disciplined like USC under Carroll.  Plus, playing in LA is basically another home game for ND.  I think ND's defensive line will be the key.  If they can pressure Barkley without blitzing (like they've done all year), USC will have trouble getting the ball out to those WR's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2012, 09:40:43 AM
ADAM SAYER --  BRIDGE BOWL XVII

I know you're reading this.  See you Saturday.  First team to complete a pass wins!!!

It will be interesting to see how TMC handles the RB for MSJ.  Do you put everyone in the box and take a chance on him breaking one?  Does MSJ take a chance on throwing the ball to Autenrieb in the TMC secondary?  Which TMC QB plays.. the freshman or the sophomore? 

Does the TMC defense need to score for TMC to have a shot?


Lots of questions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2012, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2012, 09:40:43 AM
ADAM SAYER --  BRIDGE BOWL XVII

I know you're reading this.  See you Saturday.  First team to complete a pass wins!!!

It will be interesting to see how TMC handles the RB for MSJ.  Do you put everyone in the box and take a chance on him breaking one?  Does MSJ take a chance on throwing the ball to Autenrieb in the TMC secondary?  Which TMC QB plays.. the freshman or the sophomore? 

Does the TMC defense need to score for TMC to have a shot?


Lots of questions.

What is the Saintsfan take on FC and Hanover?   Upset in the making?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2012, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2012, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2012, 09:40:43 AM
ADAM SAYER --  BRIDGE BOWL XVII

I know you're reading this.  See you Saturday.  First team to complete a pass wins!!!

It will be interesting to see how TMC handles the RB for MSJ.  Do you put everyone in the box and take a chance on him breaking one?  Does MSJ take a chance on throwing the ball to Autenrieb in the TMC secondary?  Which TMC QB plays.. the freshman or the sophomore? 

Does the TMC defense need to score for TMC to have a shot?


Lots of questions.

What is the Saintsfan take on FC and Hanover?   Upset in the making?

No sir.  No upset on Saturday.  But it will be within 14 points.  Hanover needs to take care of the ball on Saturday and their front 7 need a big day stopping the FC running attack.  On the year HC is giving up just over 4 yards per attempt on the ground.  Couple this with FC's ability to put the ball in the air along with having a rushing attack and you have the makings of a blowout.  BUT, it is a rivalry and is Hanover's playoff game.  I think 27-14 sounds right.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
Just checking the scoreboard to find game times for tomorrow and saw the Earlham @ Rose Hulman game is listed as 'canceled' - anyone know the story behind that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2012, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
Just checking the scoreboard to find game times for tomorrow and saw the Earlham @ Rose Hulman game is listed as 'canceled' - anyone know the story behind that?
Three Earlham students were hit by a train with one killed and 2 injured. All events this weekend have been cancelled.
http://www.earlham.edu/news/articles/classes-cancelled-friday-after-tragedy-depot-district (http://www.earlham.edu/news/articles/classes-cancelled-friday-after-tragedy-depot-district)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2012, 11:35:55 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2012, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
Just checking the scoreboard to find game times for tomorrow and saw the Earlham @ Rose Hulman game is listed as 'canceled' - anyone know the story behind that?
Three Earlham students were hit by a train with one killed and 2 injured. All events this weekend have been cancelled.
http://www.earlham.edu/news/articles/classes-cancelled-friday-after-tragedy-depot-district (http://www.earlham.edu/news/articles/classes-cancelled-friday-after-tragedy-depot-district)

That's just terrible.  My condolences to the family of the deceased and the entire Earlham community. :'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 10, 2012, 06:35:32 AM
My family and I offer our prayers and condolences to the Earlham community.  We hope and pray that the family of the deceased, the injured students and their families all feel God's healing presence during this tragic time and always.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2012, 01:59:44 PM
Still midway through the first and Franklin is up 14-8. Looks like a shootout for the Bell today
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2012, 02:38:07 PM
A lot of lopsided 1st half scores...
Franklin now up 35-8 midway through the 2nd after 4 Hanover turnovers
Manchester up 28-0 at halftime in Anderson
MSJ is down 48-0 to Thomas More at halftime... but it is a non-conference game for an HCAC team :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2012, 08:51:02 PM
Bridge Bowl XVII Recap:

This is why you don't stomp the logo at midfield as a road team playing a very superior team.  Or why you don't allow your players to talk trash on twitter the day before the game saying things along the lines of "We own this town".

TMC was fired up.  MSJ went three and out on the 1st series (with 2 big penalties) and the rout was on.  MSJ was very slow to the ball defensively and TMC's athletes made the most of the gaping holes opened up by the offensive line today.  MSJ couldn't defend their running game as Thomas More averaged almost 6 and 1/2 per rush attempt.  The passing game averaged almost 14 yards an attempt with flat routes, crossers and deep passes open all day and the WR's and RB's made plays when thrown the ball.  The Saints defense played really well while holding MSJ to 3 3rd down conversions and 12 first downs all game.  MSJ's passing game was non-existent as they went 6-26 on the day -- most were bad throws, some was because of pressure, a couple were dropped passes while the majority being that their QB was off all day.  In my opinoin, James Clay is a good RB but had no help as he was harrassed as soon as he touched the ball.  He ran for 112 yards while beng held to only one big run (50 yards), which occurred after TMC was already up 55-0. 

TMC set 6 school records today:
*Most passing yards in a game (404)
*Most first downs in a game (35)
*Most total yardage in a game (703)
*Most TD's scored in a game (10)
*Most points scored in a game
*Margin of Vicory

Overall, these are two teams on two totally different levels -- this was TMC's 5th straight win the series and I'm hearing whispers that this could be the last one for awhile.  I thought we'd see a comfortable TMC win today but I never, ever thought I'd see 75-6 on the scoreboard at 3:30pm. 

While we've come to expect chippiness in the Bridge Bowl, the last few years it seems the frustration has boiled over for MSJ with quite a few cheap shots (and TMC reacting to it with a few of their own).  I know of three key players for TMC that have been knocked out of games/playoffs because of cheap shots in this game.  One kid even missed the entire 2011 season as a result of an injury in the 2010 Bridge Bowl.  I thought the refs could've maintained order a little better today and eliminated the spearing going on out there (especially with the renewed focus on player safety in the college game).  Also, stomping the logo at midfield is a really bad idea.. the teams were pushing and shoving at midfield as that happened. 

The real problem for MSJ is in recruiting -- if it comes down to a kid wanting to stay home and play in the Cincy area the kid is going to choose TMC with this score, especially if he's coming from a program that had success like Elder, Moeller, St Xavier etc.  I talked to a kid from a really big school in Louisville who was visiting TMC to see both schools play and his parents said that it looks like one team was head and shoulders above the other as far as where the programs are.  I did inform him and his father that he should choose a school based on where he thinks he can grow the most as a young man and not based on what the football program is doing but I think his mind was made up already. 

I hope this isn't the last Bridge Bowl and I wish Coach Sayer and his coaching brethren at MSJ much luck.  I've said it here before -- I root for MSJ 9 weeks a season.  Their work is cut out for them, but they have already a good committment from a transfer OL from the University of Cincinnati.  Meanwhile, this win will propel TMC into their off season.  The only good thing about not making the playoffs this year is they end the year on a really high note and they also get back their stud RB Dominique Haydon back from injury for next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2012, 07:42:20 AM
Congrats to the GRIZ on winning the HCAC and the Victory Bell.  Great game in front of a capacity crowd.  The Panthers jumped out to 8-0 lead before being pounded 45-8 by halftime.  58-29 was the final.  Hopefully FC will get a good seed for next Saturday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 11, 2012, 08:53:48 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2012, 07:42:20 AM
Congrats to the GRIZ on winning the HCAC and the Victory Bell.  Great game in front of a capacity crowd.  The Panthers jumped out to 8-0 lead before being pounded 45-8 by halftime.  58-29 was the final.  Hopefully FC will get a good seed for next Saturday.

I mentioned it in an earlier post that Hanover couldn't afford any turnovers giving the Griz a short field, and you can see what happens with 3 interceptions in the first half.  Unbelievable!

The last two weeks of the season really showed some of the weaknesses Hanover has to fix to win consistently.

Enjoyed the game atmosphere at Franklin.  With the exception of a few drunk TKE students, everyone was friendly and welcoming. Nice of Franklin to set aside the Physical Plant parking lot for Hanover fans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 11, 2012, 09:38:54 AM
Sad to see that we couldn't be competitive in that game. We have A LOT of work to do to make it to the next level.  Congrats to Franklin and good luck in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 11, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
It's official. Franklin is headed north to take on Adrian. Should be a good game in what appears to be a 4 vs 5 matchup. Going to be a long trip for the winner to most likely Mary Hardin-Baylor
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 11, 2012, 09:57:52 PM
Im sure both sides in the Adrian  v  Franklin game will be rooting for Louisiana College to pull the upset and make the long trip up to colder weather!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2012, 09:44:52 AM
On behalf of the College of Mount Saint Joseph, I'd like to wish Franklin College the best of luck in the Playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Deveto on November 12, 2012, 09:51:00 AM
Adrian had just came back from Alabama playing a game in that heat, so where ever they go they should be okay.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
Congrats and good luck to Franklin!  Represent the HCAC well and beat the Bulldogs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
By the way, and I don't know if it was already mentioned, but DC is installing Field Turf....finally!

http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2416/dc-set-to-install-turf-inside-coressel-stadium/


Happy to see all the upgrades at DC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2012, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
By the way, and I don't know if it was already mentioned, but DC is installing Field Turf....finally!

http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2416/dc-set-to-install-turf-inside-coressel-stadium/


Happy to see all the upgrades at DC.

Does that leave Womanchester as the lone grass field?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2012, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
By the way, and I don't know if it was already mentioned, but DC is installing Field Turf....finally!

http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2416/dc-set-to-install-turf-inside-coressel-stadium/


Happy to see all the upgrades at DC.

Does that leave Womanchester as the lone grass field?
I believe Bluffton is still all natural as well
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KitchenSink on November 15, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
Franklin and Hanover got a shout-out over at http://www.uni-watch.com/ for both teams wearing their colored jerseys for the game between them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2012, 02:19:58 PM
Franklin up 35-10 early on in the 3rd Quarter.  Grizz have piled up over 400 yards of offense in just over 35 minutes of play. 

I predicted a win for FC, but even this is a surprise.  Keep it up, FC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on November 17, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Guess this a note for the d3football.com staff for a bit more love...  3 or 4 teams in the HCAC could play with MIAA champ.  One of them can crush them as it seems.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2012, 02:58:38 PM
Way to go Grizzlies, 42-10 win over Adrian. Looking like they'll be headed down to Texas next Saturday. I'm quite surprised at how one sided the game ended up. Hopefully that's a good sign for next week because we're going to need it.

Quote from: panthersfan on November 17, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Guess this a note for the d3football.com staff for a bit more love...  3 or 4 teams in the HCAC could play with MIAA champ.  One of them can crush them as it seems.
I don't know if I'd go quite that far. Obviously Franklin took care of business, Hanover might keep it close, then who? I don't think anyone else would be within 2 scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 17, 2012, 03:13:21 PM
Congrats on the first win Franklin! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 17, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Hats off to Franklin, that's a damn fine football team. Offensively they are extremely potent and were able to put together the perfect storm for Adrian. Anytime we got something going they would force a turnover, or we would shoot ourselves in the foot. Credit Franklin they took advantage and were able to attack and force the issue the entire first half and once they got the lead it put Adrian in an unfamiliar of having to play from behind which doesn't play to our strengths. Again hats off to Franklin and congrats on the win, best of luck in Texas with Mary hardin baylor in round two!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2012, 02:58:38 PM
Way to go Grizzlies, 42-10 win over Adrian. Looking like they'll be headed down to Texas next Saturday. I'm quite surprised at how one sided the game ended up. Hopefully that's a good sign for next week because we're going to need it.

Quote from: panthersfan on November 17, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Guess this a note for the d3football.com staff for a bit more love...  3 or 4 teams in the HCAC could play with MIAA champ.  One of them can crush them as it seems.
I don't know if I'd go quite that far. Obviously Franklin took care of business, Hanover might keep it close, then who? I don't think anyone else would be within 2 scores.

agreed.  I'm not so sure I'd put Hanover in that category though, as you said.  I think Franklin is head and shoulder above everyone else in the HCAC.  What is scary is how close MSJ was to being 7-1 in HCAC play.. a couple breaks here and there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 17, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Guess this a note for the d3football.com staff for a bit more love...  3 or 4 teams in the HCAC could play with MIAA champ.  One of them can crush them as it seems.

Adrian was a perfect matchup for Franklin. A team that relies on the run against a team that has been very good against it. Adrian moved the ball in spurts, but once it got to midfield, it didn't get much. Only scores were off a late 1st half INT return that led to a FG, and a disputed PI call on 3rd-and-long that drew another 15-yard flag apparently because the dispute was too vociferous.

Franklin rolled up 500 yards of offense against a team that hangs its hat on defense. I know the D3FB staff has harangued FC's strength of schedule all year, but this is not a normal HCAC team. It's possibly the most complete team Franklin has had, and there have been quite a few pretty good ones.

Once it got to 21-0, I expected things to go exactly as they did -- FC was just too strong and West-to-Linville was clicking today.

Nice win, it'll be interesting to see how things go against UMHB. I still contend the Mt. Union game was significantly closer than the score and they've been improving every week since, and have played very well offensively. The UMHB broadcasters were saying they've not played anyone from Indiana before and they're looking forward to seeing someone different.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 17, 2012, 04:33:06 PM
West is a very good QB, quick release and just enough ability to hurt teams that drop lots of guys into zone. Linville is a great WR, no doubt there, not a top end burner but routes himself into open coverage with double moves and the like. A very impressive over all team for Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2012, 04:43:42 PM
Congrats to Franklin on a total-domination win.  Thanks for wrecking my bracket picks. :P  (I had Franklin ranked higher than Adrian all season on my North Region fan ballot, but after that damned impressive win at Huntingdon, and home field, I took a flyer on Adrian - oy!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 17, 2012, 05:20:17 PM
It is really too bad that the HCAC does not have more to offer so that Franklin could receive more respect.  Not many outside the HCAC really gave Franklin a chance of beating Adrain today.  I guess it sometimes good being underestimated just like they will be again vs. UMHB. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on November 17, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Guess this a note for the d3football.com staff for a bit more love...  3 or 4 teams in the HCAC could play with MIAA champ.  One of them can crush them as it seems.

Thanks for the 20-20 hindsight.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 17, 2012, 05:38:08 PM
I thought this would be the scenario all along as Franklin has been so good vs the run all season. The great thing about coach Leonard's team is almost entire roster is made up of Indiana kids. He is getting almost all the states top prospects that slip through the cracks to D3 and also a few sleepers. Next season they have almost everyone back and that includes a couple very quick and talented freshman that had their seasons end early due to injury.

Honestly, I thought it was a little disrespectful that so many had Adrian favored especially since it was their first playoff game in 24 years! Plus Adrian won their conference but did not blow anyone out in a league not much better than the HCAC.

2 other teams won on the road today. Witt by 14, and Elmhurst by 3. Griz won by 32, while piling up 370 yard of offense the first half alone. Hope Franklin can get some more respect next year, as in 2012 the Griz have to go through the #2 and #1 team on the road to make it out of their bracket.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
It's tough to play the "respect" card when the HCAC did not do very well OOC.

It's somewhat like Butler or Gonzaga in basketball. It's difficult for them to get national respect because the conference is seen as below-caliber. Much like those schools, FC played top teams (Mt. Union, Butler) in the non-conference, giving it a good look. Those losses paid off today.

To say Franklin beating Adrian means Hanover or Manchester would've beaten/played with Adrian is a bit of a stretch, because this is a good matchup. But I hope this does bring a bit more respect regionally to the HCAC, as Hanover was an excellent offensive team this season and an up-and-comer, Manchester was solid, and I liked what I saw out of Defiance & Bluffton at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 17, 2012, 05:48:20 PM
Quote from: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
It's tough to play the "respect" card when the HCAC did not do very well OOC.

True, but Franklin's out of conf schedule was the #1 team in the country and Adrian. Nobody else beat Mount Union and nobody else blew out Adrian as Franklin just did. Well know a lot more next Saturday. I'm just saying I hope next year they don't put Franklin in the same bracket with #1 and #2.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2012, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
It's tough to play the "respect" card when the HCAC did not do very well OOC.


It's not tough, it's impossible. Let's face it guys: Franklin isn't like the rest of the HCAC and Conference wins will be taken with a grain of salt. For 10 weeks Franklin did what was expected of them. They got a chance to change perception today and get another one next week.

The reason Franklin is ranked and has the respect of the pollsters is because they've won playoff games. They have been able to step out of the HCAC shadows. No way does Pat, et all not respect them. They just didn't celebrate them for getting through the Heartland schedule.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2012, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 17, 2012, 05:48:20 PM
Quote from: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
It's tough to play the "respect" card when the HCAC did not do very well OOC.

True, but Franklin's out of conf schedule was the #1 team in the country and Adrian. Nobody else beat Mount Union and nobody else blew out Adrian as Franklin just did. Well know a lot more next Saturday. I'm just saying I hope next year they don't put Franklin in the same bracket with #1 and #2.

Adrian isn't an OOC team. They played in the playoffs. They played Mount, but lost to them as many thought they would. Franklin is fine.. They are winning playoff games
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 17, 2012, 05:48:20 PM
Quote from: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
It's tough to play the "respect" card when the HCAC did not do very well OOC.

True, but Franklin's out of conf schedule was the #1 team in the country and Adrian. Nobody else beat Mount Union and nobody else blew out Adrian as Franklin just did. Well know a lot more next Saturday. I'm just saying I hope next year they don't put Franklin in the same bracket with #1 and #2.

You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2012, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: crimsonace on November 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
It's tough to play the "respect" card when the HCAC did not do very well OOC.


It's not tough, it's impossible. Let's face it guys: Franklin isn't like the rest of the HCAC and Conference wins will be taken with a grain of salt. For 10 weeks Franklin did what was expected of them. They got a chance to change perception today and get another one next week.

The reason Franklin is ranked and has the respect of the pollsters is because they've won playoff games. They have been able to step out of the HCAC shadows. No way does Pat, et all not respect them. They just didn't celebrate them for getting through the Heartland schedule.

That's the point I was making. Franklin, right now, isn't a typical HCAC team, but the perception of the conference gets them lumped in with them. It scheduled as such OOC and I think we in the HCAC all knew how good this team was (and, I'm a bit biased, but there are years you know a team is pretty special and has a chance to go deep ... and this one is it). It's still difficult to run the table without a slipup, and FC has done it three straight years.

Pregame, it's hard to get the "respect," but I've never cared much what prognosticators think. That's for discussion. Franklin has proven itself on the field week-in and week-out, and did so again today. Even the UMU & Butler losses weren't bad -- the Mt. Union game was significantly closer than the score might have indicated, and could easily have been a 28-14 game, and Butler would have gotten an AQ into the DI FCS tourney if next year's rules were in place.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM


You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM


You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt! :P

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 18, 2012, 01:31:49 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 11, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
It's official. Franklin is headed north to take on Adrian. Should be a good game in what appears to be a 4 vs 5 matchup. Going to be a long trip for the winner to most likely Mary Hardin-Baylor
I wouldn't bet against the Griz next week.  Congratulations on a great win this afternoon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe Wally on November 18, 2012, 05:33:14 PM
Congrats on the "W" Grizz!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 07:05:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM


You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt! :P

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!

Good to see the GRIZ prove the "experts" at d3football.com wrong as well.  It was pretty unanimous that Adrian was going to win pre-game if you read this site.  the 42-10 was even that close as FC called off the dogs early in the 4th.

The GRIZ have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years and have won a first round game in 3 of those years. The first round losses were to North Central on last play of the game and UWW.  The other losses were to UWW, and Wheaton.  Mary Hardin Baylor awaits. No one has played as many of the powers the last 24 months or so than FC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 07:05:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM


You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt! :P

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!

Good to see the GRIZ prove the "experts" at d3football.com wrong as well.  It was pretty unanimous that Adrian was going to win pre-game if you read this site.  the 42-10 was even that close as FC called off the dogs early in the 4th.

The GRIZ have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years and have won a first round game in 3 of those years. The first round losses were to North Central on last play of the game and UWW.  The other losses were to UWW, and Wheaton.  Mary Hardin Baylor awaits. No one has played as many of the powers the last 24 months or so than FC.

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 07:05:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM


You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt! :P

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!

Good to see the GRIZ prove the "experts" at d3football.com wrong as well.  It was pretty unanimous that Adrian was going to win pre-game if you read this site.  the 42-10 was even that close as FC called off the dogs early in the 4th.

The GRIZ have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years and have won a first round game in 3 of those years. The first round losses were to North Central on last play of the game and UWW.  The other losses were to UWW, and Wheaton.  Mary Hardin Baylor awaits. No one has played as many of the powers the last 24 months or so than FC.

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

The GRIZ aren't afraid to play the best year in and year out. Anybody that thinks SOS is true indicator of a teams strength is naive. Franklin is not really a 5 nor a 6 regardless of the formula.  On to TX. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 07:05:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 18, 2012, 12:31:32 AM


You just beat #4; next week you face #1 - IF you pull the upset, you will then play #2 (or #3).  If you are not #1 or #2, you will ALWAYS be in a bracket with a #1 and #2!  D'oh! 8-)




I meant #1 and #2 in the nation are both on Franklin's side of the bracket.

After I posted I wondered if that is what you were getting at.  Don't forget that the d3football.com poll has nothing to do with selection or seeding.  According to the NCAA committee, Linfield (or perhaps St. Thomas) was apparently #1, with UMU and UMHB as 2 and 3.

But if you (and presumably the fans of 13 other schools) felt that way, imagine how UMU and UMHB felt! :P

Before the selections, I too would have anticipated a UMU-UMHB Stagg, but I have confidence that a UMU/UMHB/whoever Stagg against whoever emerges on the othe side is still gonna be a game well worth watching!

Good to see the GRIZ prove the "experts" at d3football.com wrong as well.  It was pretty unanimous that Adrian was going to win pre-game if you read this site.  the 42-10 was even that close as FC called off the dogs early in the 4th.

The GRIZ have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years and have won a first round game in 3 of those years. The first round losses were to North Central on last play of the game and UWW.  The other losses were to UWW, and Wheaton.  Mary Hardin Baylor awaits. No one has played as many of the powers the last 24 months or so than FC.

The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.

The GRIZ aren't afraid to play the best year in and year out. Anybody that thinks SOS is true indicator of a teams strength is naive. Franklin is not really a 5 nor a 6 regardless of the formula.  On to TX.
Totally agree!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin.

Tall order for sure. Looking forward to seeing a different D3 power.  Good measuring stick to see where FC is at since start of season.  With vast majority of starters coming back in 2013 could be a game whereby FC stakes a claim to leapfrog in the 2013 polls a few of the annual "name recognition" teams that FC always starts behind.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 19, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin.

Good to see the talk about The Cru on here. UMHB is a physical team and will come out firing. LiDarral Bailey, our QB, is playing very well this year only giving up 3 Ints for the year and has completed a high percentage of passes. He also runs very well. Darius Wilson and the other RBs are quick and look to lay the wood and not receive it. Our defense is bolstered by possible D3 defensive player of the year, senior Javicz Jones. He makes plays and is all over the field, and our DB's bring the lumber and cover well. They've been getting stronger, and the passing yards given up are mostly after the 2nd 3rd team D's are on the field. We stop the run well, and I see y'all run well, so that will be a deciding factor. Our size on the D and OL is not indicative of our play. We also run backups in often. So we are deep there.

I look forward to seeing a new team. If any are making the trip and need any local advice, let me know. We will have video of the game if you can't make it. Safe travels, see y'all soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 07:11:38 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 19, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
Saturday's game measurables:

UMHB OL average:  6'1 (8/10)  271 lbs
FC DL average:       6'0            251 lbs

UMHB DL average:  6'1 (5/10)  236 lbs
FC OL average:       6'0 (1/4)    255 lbs

Looks like Gallagher went both ways against Adrian.  Listed as an OL on the official roster. 

What does this mean?  There's going to be a lot of points scored in my opinoin.  I know from talking to a couple people who know about Mount Union that they are considering a UMU/UMHB match up as toss up this year, even with all the improvements UMU has implemented.  I know UMHB destroyed TMC in 2010 in the 2nd Round (after TMC pasted W&L the week before) to the tune of 522 rushing yards and 26 offensive plays that gained 10 yards or more while returning a pick-six and a punt for TD's.  All of this happened after UMHB fumbled the ball away on the first play of the game and then blocked a TMC FG attempt after the offense stalled.  I do believe that outside of the Wesley, NCC, UW-Oshkosh, Linfield and Mount Union teams Franklin has the offense that can best hang with an explosive group like Mary Hardin-Baylor. 

That being said -- Franklin needs to be turnover free on Saturday to have a shot.  West can't throw 2 INT's like he did against Adrian -- if he takes care of the ball and the offensive line gives him time, I expect the scheme of Franklin to be successful in spurts..and give Franklin a chance to shock in the 4th Quarter.  If the Grizzlies don't take care of the ball (no small task given the level of athlete they are going to see Saturday), UMHB capitalizes and wins going away.

The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes. 

I'll be up at Michigan/Ohio State getting updates on my phone.  This is a big opportunity for Franklin.

Good to see the talk about The Cru on here. UMHB is a physical team and will come out firing. LiDarral Bailey, our QB, is playing very well this year only giving up 3 Ints for the year and has completed a high percentage of passes. He also runs very well. Darius Wilson and the other RBs are quick and look to lay the wood and not receive it. Our defense is bolstered by possible D3 defensive player of the year, senior Javicz Jones. He makes plays and is all over the field, and our DB's bring the lumber and cover well. They've been getting stronger, and the passing yards given up are mostly after the 2nd 3rd team D's are on the field. We stop the run well, and I see y'all run well, so that will be a deciding factor. Our size on the D and OL is not indicative of our play. We also run backups in often. So we are deep there.

I look forward to seeing a new team. If any are making the trip and need any local advice, let me know. We will have video of the game if you can't make it. Safe travels, see y'all soon.

umhb d line was the difference in the wesley game this year.  they were able to bottle up the run -4 yards.  bailey also made 2 individual plays that led to td's which turned out to the be the difference in the game.  franklin must avoid turnovers and get a couple, but if the griz can do that they have a chance and i am on record as believing the umhb may be the top team in the country this year.  i am all for a griz win and a trip for you all to lovely dover de next week against wesley, i would love another home game this year.  good luck this week, enjoy the trip to belton if you go, real nice people and real good bbq.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 07:12:37 PM
I'm not a Franklin fan or alum but I do enjoy what they have been doing.

My question is: what is going to happen if Bailey gets nicked up and misses extended time.  From what I'm hearing MHB is not as strong as their past teams in certain areas and that Bailey and Jones have raised their level of play to be in the race for the POTY discussions and this has carried MHB. What are a couple of weaknesses outside of backup QB??

One thing about MHB having given up yardage and points by the 2nd team: it tells me their starters haven't played in a super close game this season, outside of Wesley. Pressure and conditioning could come into play if this game is close with the style of offense and pace Franklin uses. I think for these reasons a 4 quarter tight game favors Franklin. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

weslydad:

I hear where you are coming from.  Every team has a game where they barely beat someone they should have trounced - it happens every year.  And your team beats up on hapless teams likee Mount Ida yet squeeks by the likes of Lousiana College and Birmingham Southern.  My statement was based on a "gut feeling" for this game (I should have clarified that part), but I never said Wesley can't win that game.  What is fact is that your team, IMO, which was a fantastic team the past 3-4 years has faltered when it gets to the semifinals and I really thought they would win one of those and was rooting for them (that's like my Hope getting to the men's national championship game 2 out of 3 years in basketball and losing both, as compared to our rival Calvin which has won two men's titles, which is very disappointing - great to get there, but not quite until we win it all; or Rowan's history in the Stagg Bowl or the Buffalo Bills in the Super Bowl, etc).  So in that regard, as I mentioned, I will believe it when I see it for Wesley.  Maybe it will happen this year.  But again, I could be wrong - hope your team shows that this weekend.   You know as well as I do that anything can happen on these Saturdays.  Anyway, good luck this weekend. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Raider 68 on November 19, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO! :)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 19, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 19, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO! :)

Sounds similar to comments made in 2004, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2012, 10:19:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

Huh? The only playoff games Wesley has lost in the past few years have been Mount Union, UW-Whitewater and Mary Hardin-Baylor.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2012, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 19, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO! :)

There are some pretty good offenses in the ASC, 68. Whereas the OAC is so far down four coaches have been cut loose since the start of the season. Can't go on numbers alone here -- the ASC is like the Little 12 down there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 19, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 19, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO! :)
But who have they played? We've faced some prolific offenses.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2012, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 19, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from SaintsFan:

"The difference between UMU and UMHB is this:  UMU is technically sound.  They play fast and have good athletes.  UMHB does all of this but has GREAT athletes."

SaintsFan,

You are overlooking a major difference: Mount has given up only 59 points in 11
games, while UMHB has given up 200. If the two meet, its all about defense and the
Raiders have a big edge, IMHO! :)

There are some pretty good offenses in the ASC, 68. Whereas the OAC is so far down four coaches have been cut loose since the start of the season. Can't go on numbers alone here -- the ASC is like the Little 12 down there.

This. Well said, Pat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
The problem I've seen from Franklin in these big games, whether UWW, Mount, or even against Wheaton in the quarterfinals in 08, is the offense struggles the first 3 drives and they fall behind a couple scores. Then they try to play catchup the rest of the game and start making more mistakes or at best just trade scores.
If they can score early and get into a rhythm on offense it could be first to 60 wins... if they fall behind a couple TD in the 1st quarter it's going to be a 55-21 kind of score.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 19, 2012, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 07:12:37 PM
I'm not a Franklin fan or alum but I do enjoy what they have been doing.

My question is: what is going to happen if Bailey gets nicked up and misses extended time.  From what I'm hearing MHB is not as strong as their past teams in certain areas and that Bailey and Jones have raised their level of play to be in the race for the POTY discussions and this has carried MHB. What are a couple of weaknesses outside of backup QB??

One thing about MHB having given up yardage and points by the 2nd team: it tells me their starters haven't played in a super close game this season, outside of Wesley. Pressure and conditioning could come into play if this game is close with the style of offense and pace Franklin uses. I think for these reasons a 4 quarter tight game favors Franklin. Just my opinion.

I posted this on another board, but the backup QB's for UMHB are both good. They obviously don't fill LB's shoes, but Jake can throw the ball. When he has had an opportunity, he has done well. Brian Gallagher also can throw and run. So, in my opinion, if something were to happen to LB, then these two would probably alternate. Sims would get the first go. Other than that, which I would say any backup QB is going to be a step down from the starter, passing D would be a weakness. There are times we struggle on the deep ball.

Our starers played the whole game against Wesley and HSU. Those two games, plus the TLU game really pushed us, plus the LC game and most likely this Franklin College game. Our guys will be ready for four quarters. It will be interesting to see the comparison to UMHB and UMU as they played Franklin earlier.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 19, 2012, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

UMHB played the game of their season against Wesley. Wesley has been their goat for a number of years, and for LB to step up on that game really showed leadership and poise. Bailey also stepped up against HSU when we fell behind midway through the 4th. In the past, our resiliency has been strained as we haven't had the ability to play catch up against formidable teams. This year is different.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

Well said, SaintsFAN.   Indeed, it will be interesting to see how these games play out.  As to the semifinals, I don't doubt that most of our fellow posters on d3fb.com have given good thought to and their made up their tentative choices as to who they think those four teams will be.  Personally, as to my own opinion, I am not quite sure as yet, other than perhaps Mount Union.  I am anxious to see which teams might start to have that hot streak as they progress through the playoffs, perhaps similar to what the Giants did in the NLCS and then World Series.  As you mentioned, there may be some sleepers/surprises. If Wesley beats Cortland in their game, I think they indeed will be one of those. As to Franklin, what do you see as their chances against MHB (FCGrizzlies has mentioned his take on that)? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 20, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
Great article on the front page about Franklin. Bought my tickets today. Lets go!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 21, 2012, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 20, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
Great article on the front page about Franklin. Bought my tickets today. Lets go!!

Group of us traveling down on a charter bus thurs night and staying with team Friday eve.  Besides shoepfs BBQ what are some other Belton establishments?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gofor7pitt on November 21, 2012, 08:50:46 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 21, 2012, 08:01:31 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 20, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
Great article on the front page about Franklin. Bought my tickets today. Lets go!!

Group of us traveling down on a charter bus thurs night and staying with team Friday eve.  Besides shoepfs BBQ what are some other Belton establishments?

My wife's family lives in Austin.  I never leave without visiting "Rudy's".  There is one in Killeen not too far from Belton.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2012, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 19, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: gofor7pitt on November 19, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
The Griz face UMHB this week, and win or lose they will play Mount Union next, either next sat or when they open up the 2013 season. After that a tough Butler team again. Tough road for sure.
Actually if they win they'd play the Cortland St-Wesley winner. The round after that would potentially be Mount Union

For what it's work (i.e. IMO, which is not much ;D :o ::) ;)), I believe that Cortland State will be the winner of that game (i.e. Courtland/Wesley game).  While Wesley has been good, they just haven't seemed to be able to win the "big" games when it gets to this point.  If they do, I'll believe it when I see it.  Nonetheless, that just might be a good game.  Very interesting when it gets to that point.

former, are you saying that the team that barely beat a team from the nefc, framingham, is going to beat wesley.  not likely to happen.  as far as not winning the big game, reaching the quarters or semis the last 7 years, i believe is hardly not winning a big game at this point.  obviously they have not lost a second round game in that run.  if losing to umhb in the quarters, or uww, and mountin the semis are bad loses then i guess you are right, might want to check the facts before making the above statement.  other than mount and uww no one has been to the final 8 more than wesley has in the last 7 years.

Wesleydad -- I think what formerd3db means is that with all the talent in Dover, they haven't broken through against one of the powers. THOSE are the big games in my opinion, not beating the teams you SHOULD beat.  They've already had one shot this year at MHB and perception has been theyve underwhelmed in their other regular season games. I personally think Wesley is a sleeper this year and they may like being a little more under the radar.

No harm in having differing opinions here and it will be settled on the field - which helps make D3football so great.

Now, as far as weaknesses for MHB this season.. Did you see any this year against Wesley??

Well said, SaintsFAN.   Indeed, it will be interesting to see how these games play out.  As to the semifinals, I don't doubt that most of our fellow posters on d3fb.com have given good thought to and their made up their tentative choices as to who they think those four teams will be.  Personally, as to my own opinion, I am not quite sure as yet, other than perhaps Mount Union.  I am anxious to see which teams might start to have that hot streak as they progress through the playoffs, perhaps similar to what the Giants did in the NLCS and then World Series.  As you mentioned, there may be some sleepers/surprises. If Wesley beats Cortland in their game, I think they indeed will be one of those. As to Franklin, what do you see as their chances against MHB (FCGrizzlies has mentioned his take on that)?

They've got a mathematical chance.  They have to take care of the football, though.  Without that, there's no chance.  I think Bailey is too much, though.  He's the most dynamic playmaker the Grizz will see this year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 21, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! I hope you have a great couple of days!! I'm thankful for friends on the D3 boards that I've never met! God bless.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 22, 2012, 09:01:25 AM
Happy thanksgiving to all the d3 faithful!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2012, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 22, 2012, 09:01:25 AM
Happy thanksgiving to all the d3 faithful!

You too, dc_has_been and also to everyone else here on the HCAC board.  Enjoy the day whatever you do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 23, 2012, 12:05:17 PM
Best of luck to Franklin tomorrow! I'll be pulling for y'all!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 02:17:37 AM
Game Day! So Pumped!! I hope all travelers had a safe trip and found some good eats in Belton! Drive by the campus before the game, it is on College St., and go around to the back. Check out the field and new student union building being built.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 02:17:37 AM
Game Day! So Pumped!! I hope all travelers had a safe trip and found some good eats in Belton! Drive by the campus before the game, it is on College St., and go around to the back. Check out the field and new student union building being built.

I think Franklin fans are coming down hoping to see them tear the house down, not to witness the new one being built ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 02:17:37 AM
Game Day! So Pumped!! I hope all travelers had a safe trip and found some good eats in Belton! Drive by the campus before the game, it is on College St., and go around to the back. Check out the field and new student union building being built.

I think Franklin fans are coming down hoping to see them tear the house down, not to witness the new one being built ;)

Whenever I go somewhere to watch a game, I like to see the campus and what it is like. But, whatever. May be their only trip here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2012, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
The problem I've seen from Franklin in these big games, whether UWW, Mount, or even against Wheaton in the quarterfinals in 08, is the offense struggles the first 3 drives and they fall behind a couple scores. Then they try to play catchup the rest of the game and start making more mistakes or at best just trade scores.
If they can score early and get into a rhythm on offense it could be first to 60 wins... if they fall behind a couple TD in the 1st quarter it's going to be a 55-21 kind of score.
First three drives were just as I feared... 3 and out, interception, 3 and out... already down 14-0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 24, 2012, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2012, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
The problem I've seen from Franklin in these big games, whether UWW, Mount, or even against Wheaton in the quarterfinals in 08, is the offense struggles the first 3 drives and they fall behind a couple scores. Then they try to play catchup the rest of the game and start making more mistakes or at best just trade scores.
If they can score early and get into a rhythm on offense it could be first to 60 wins... if they fall behind a couple TD in the 1st quarter it's going to be a 55-21 kind of score.
First three drives were just as I feared... 3 and out, interception, 3 and out... already down 14-0

Wheels nearly off.  35-0. UMHB the real deal. FC not playing well in any phase of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 24, 2012, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2012, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
The problem I've seen from Franklin in these big games, whether UWW, Mount, or even against Wheaton in the quarterfinals in 08, is the offense struggles the first 3 drives and they fall behind a couple scores. Then they try to play catchup the rest of the game and start making more mistakes or at best just trade scores.
If they can score early and get into a rhythm on offense it could be first to 60 wins... if they fall behind a couple TD in the 1st quarter it's going to be a 55-21 kind of score.
First three drives were just as I feared... 3 and out, interception, 3 and out... already down 14-0

Wheels nearly off.  35-0. UMHB the real deal. FC not playing well in any phase of the game.
I think the wheels are off, and bus has crashed down a cliff and exploded... missed tackles left and right, can't seem to complete passes, I think just 1 first down and 3 interceptions... and midway through the 2nd it's 0-42. I wonder if UMHB can hit 100 (is the Grinnell coach near Belton today? :D)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
Well, everyone knew that MHB was a good team.  It's too bad for Franklin, I thought they would give them a much closer game after their expansive win against Adrian last week.  Also, I was wrong about the Wesley game as they are easily handling Cortland State.  Wesley is an excellent team as we've discussed.  It will be interesting to see if they keep that momemtum going.

In regards to other games, Michigan's coaching staff (Hoke and his offensive coordinator) have made some really stupid calls in the last few minutes of that game.  They are back to what they were doing at mid-season right up to and including the Michigan State game.  I believe that ridiculous call in going for the 1st down at mid-field on 4th down will cost them the game.  It sure changed the momentum, at least for now. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
TD Grizzlies. They've cut the lead down to 39 and have momentum on their side... just 6 quick stops and score a TD each time and we could pull it out ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
Travel safely Franklin fans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
Good season Grizzlies. Just over 9 months till the 2013 season and hopefully at least 10 wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 02:17:37 AM
Game Day! So Pumped!! I hope all travelers had a safe trip and found some good eats in Belton! Drive by the campus before the game, it is on College St., and go around to the back. Check out the field and new student union building being built.

I think Franklin fans are coming down hoping to see them tear the house down, not to witness the new one being built ;)

Whenever I go somewhere to watch a game, I like to see the campus and what it is like. But, whatever. May be their only trip here.

totally was kidding with you, sir.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 24, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 02:17:37 AM
Game Day! So Pumped!! I hope all travelers had a safe trip and found some good eats in Belton! Drive by the campus before the game, it is on College St., and go around to the back. Check out the field and new student union building being built.

I think Franklin fans are coming down hoping to see them tear the house down, not to witness the new one being built ;)

Whenever I go somewhere to watch a game, I like to see the campus and what it is like. But, whatever. May be their only trip here.

totally was kidding with you, sir.

Oh, I know, no harm!  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 24, 2012, 06:01:10 PM
Well, Franklin, that was a long road trip and a tough loss. I know  you all expected more and so did I with that big win from last week. I see some great fight in your team, though, and I know y'all will be back next year! The heart and determination your guys showed was VERY impressive, and I hope our guys take some of that with them as they seemed to get lazy at the end. See ya'll down the road.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 04, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
Turf project is complete at DC!  Here's the link about the upgrade:   http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2479/defiance-college-completes-turf-project-at-coressel-stadium/  and pictures:  http://www.defianceathletics.com/wlacrosse/photos/2012-13/447/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 04, 2012, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 04, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
Turf project is complete at DC!  Here's the link about the upgrade:   http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2479/defiance-college-completes-turf-project-at-coressel-stadium/  and pictures:  http://www.defianceathletics.com/wlacrosse/photos/2012-13/447/

Any truth to the rumor the 5 home games where the Jackets got torched helped to make the removal of the natural turf easier and thus, less expensive??? :)

AND is the new carpet flammable??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 04, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 04, 2012, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on December 04, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
Turf project is complete at DC!  Here's the link about the upgrade:   http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2012-13/2479/defiance-college-completes-turf-project-at-coressel-stadium/  and pictures:  http://www.defianceathletics.com/wlacrosse/photos/2012-13/447/

Any truth to the rumor the 5 home games where the Jackets got torched helped to make the removal of the natural turf easier and thus, less expensive??? :)



AND is the new carpet flammable??

Crown-free it appears. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 09, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Time to wake up from a 7 month slumber here in the HCAC. I'm sure nothing has happened in the world since December ;)

HCAC is running a bracket to decide the best football helmet in the conference. Seeding is based on last year's standings. First matchup between #8 Earlham and #9 Anderson is available until 10am tomorrow morning at the bottom of the page
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1)

Quarterfinals begin at noon tomorrow and run till noon on the 12th.

I am a bit biased but I think Franklin should be the favorite to win the bracket.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on July 09, 2013, 10:14:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 09, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Time to wake up from a 7 month slumber here in the HCAC. I'm sure nothing has happened in the world since December ;)

HCAC is running a bracket to decide the best football helmet in the conference. Seeding is based on last year's standings. First matchup between #8 Earlham and #9 Anderson is available until 10am tomorrow morning at the bottom of the page
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1)

Quarterfinals begin at noon tomorrow and run till noon on the 12th.

I am a bit biased but I think Franklin should be the favorite to win the bracket.
That is a pretty cool idea-thanks for the link!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on July 10, 2013, 05:11:17 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 09, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Time to wake up from a 7 month slumber here in the HCAC. I'm sure nothing has happened in the world since December ;)

HCAC is running a bracket to decide the best football helmet in the conference. Seeding is based on last year's standings. First matchup between #8 Earlham and #9 Anderson is available until 10am tomorrow morning at the bottom of the page
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1)

Quarterfinals begin at noon tomorrow and run till noon on the 12th.

I am a bit biased but I think Franklin should be the favorite to win the bracket.

Thanks for reviving the HCAC thread.  It was sad that the last post was back on December 4th, but then I had nothing to contribute to get the conversation started again.

It will be interesting this season to see the progress some teams have made.  As a conference, the HCAC had a lot of new coaches last year, and some (i.e. Earlham) really didn't have much time for recruiting.  Now that the new coaching staffs have had a full season and off season to install their program, it will be interesting to see the results.  Looking forward to a great season.

In looking at the bracket, it looks like Bluffton has new lids for the upcoming season.  I can't get an image large enough to see, but I like the color.

As for Franklin having the best helmet design, being a Hanover fan, I cannot give you an 'amen' to your vote.  However, that being said, I think the simplicity of the entire Franklin uniform is neat, sort of like Penn State, Michigan (before Addidas got creative), and the Oakland Raiders.

It looks as though three in the conference have gone with the matte look (MSJ, Manchester and Bluffton).  Wonder who will be next?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 10, 2013, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 09, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Time to wake up from a 7 month slumber here in the HCAC. I'm sure nothing has happened in the world since December ;)

HCAC is running a bracket to decide the best football helmet in the conference. Seeding is based on last year's standings. First matchup between #8 Earlham and #9 Anderson is available until 10am tomorrow morning at the bottom of the page
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_1)

Quarterfinals begin at noon tomorrow and run till noon on the 12th.

I am a bit biased but I think Franklin should be the favorite to win the bracket.

I like the #2 Seed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabco on July 10, 2013, 10:48:49 AM
As a person not having a team in this hunt, I like the simplicity of Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 11, 2013, 06:47:57 AM
Quarterfinals of the helmet bracket and 2 of the matchups are within just a couple votes. Still more than 24 hours to vote for your favorites.
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_2 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_2)

Less than 60 days until the season finally starts. Seems like it's been forever since last season. Where's my time machine? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on July 11, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 11, 2013, 06:47:57 AM
Quarterfinals of the helmet bracket and 2 of the matchups are within just a couple votes. Still more than 24 hours to vote for your favorites.
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_2 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_2)

Less than 60 days until the season finally starts. Seems like it's been forever since last season. Where's my time machine? ;D

Fortunately for the Griz fans, you got two weeks more than the rest of the conference!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 11, 2013, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: Thunder44 on July 11, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 11, 2013, 06:47:57 AM
Quarterfinals of the helmet bracket and 2 of the matchups are within just a couple votes. Still more than 24 hours to vote for your favorites.
http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_2 (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/round_2)

Less than 60 days until the season finally starts. Seems like it's been forever since last season. Where's my time machine? ;D

Fortunately for the Griz fans, you got two weeks more than the rest of the conference!
The offseason wait has still been three weeks longer than we'd like  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on July 11, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
2013 greetings fellow HCAC fans...  Can almost smell the grills cook'n and hear the beers popp'n now.  Looking forward to another football season!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 13, 2013, 06:59:26 AM
Semifinals are set to begin on Monday... Franklin came from behind to beat Anderson, Bluffton had the most comfortable win, Defiance pulled through, and Hanover squeaked by MSJ. #TopHCACLid

I like that we've got something to discuss while we await September.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 16, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 13, 2013, 06:59:26 AM
Semifinals are set to begin on Monday... Franklin came from behind to beat Anderson, Bluffton had the most comfortable win, Defiance pulled through, and Hanover squeaked by MSJ. #TopHCACLid

I like that we've got something to discuss while we await September.

My pick was upset...now I am rooting for the underdogs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 17, 2013, 06:17:50 PM
What is it with D3 football and Purple Power? Bluffton and Defiance have made the finals of the HCAC Football Helmet Bracket.
I am disappointed Franklin lost, but I do like the purple matte of Bluffton. Voting opens up tomorrow at noon and will last until Monday. May the best helmet win :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 19, 2013, 11:05:18 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 17, 2013, 06:17:50 PM
What is it with D3 football and Purple Power? Bluffton and Defiance have made the finals of the HCAC Football Helmet Bracket.
I am disappointed Franklin lost, but I do like the purple matte of Bluffton. Voting opens up tomorrow at noon and will last until Monday. May the best helmet win :)

You can always take solace with any of the old adages - "it's what's on the inside that counts," etc..  Over the past few years, FC has had the team even without the latest graphics.  If a rabid, Griz fan, know which I'd prefer.   ;D

Maybe the next HCAC social survey can highlight the latest in neon-shaded cleats  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 21, 2013, 12:23:53 PM
First, I was so happy to see activity on this thread!!!  Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling knowing football is almost back, especially in the HCAC.
Second, I am thrilled to see DC is in the finals with Bluffton for the helmet vote, but am excited to see how they do this season as I am optimistic that Coach Sheehan has everything ready to go in his second year.
Finally, I like Bob's idea ;)
Welcome back everyone!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 22, 2013, 03:09:24 PM
Defiance were crowned the winners of the best HCAC football helmet.  Congrats to the Yellow Jackests!  Now hopefully they'll be competitive on the field and make some noise this year. 

Here's the link: http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/champions
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on July 23, 2013, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 22, 2013, 03:09:24 PM
Defiance were crowned the winners of the best HCAC football helmet.  Congrats to the Yellow Jackests!  Now hopefully they'll be competitive on the field and make some noise this year. 

Here's the link: http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/helmet_bracket/champions

Maybe we can keep the HCAC conversation going for a while, until at least when camp starts.

Considering Defiance has a new turf field and a coach in his second season, one could reasonably expect more out of this season.

What do you know about Defiance's recruiting class this year?  With a full year for Coach Sheehan and staff to really work on the recruiting side of things, is it safe to assume they made some noise in that regard?

Also, what did Defiance lose from last year, and in what areas do they need the most improvement?

I'm looking forward to the road trip to Defiance this season to see the new field.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 23, 2013, 01:26:51 PM
Unsure about signed recruits though know there was major interest expressed for some local kids (Bryan, Napoleon) after the OHSAA quarters.  Watching to see who replaces Olmstead as O-line coach and academic retention coordinator as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 24, 2013, 01:05:58 PM
Four preseason all-americans for the HCAC....all from Franklin ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on July 29, 2013, 09:41:39 PM
Ohio Northern will have new artificial turf ready early in the season. Otterbein is currently fundraising for a new turf field.  The natural grass fields are quickly going by the wayside. Who will be the last to jump on the new turf bandwagon?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on July 30, 2013, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on July 29, 2013, 09:41:39 PM
Ohio Northern will have new artificial turf ready early in the season. Otterbein is currently fundraising for a new turf field.  The natural grass fields are quickly going by the wayside. Who will be the last to jump on the new turf bandwagon?

I don't think Wilmington has turf yet.  And I definitely don't think they have a lot of cash for athletics so they'll probably be last.

p.s. That kind of bums me out about Ott.  I was over there not long ago and they had just mowed the field.  It looked like a golf course.  Nothing better than that lush green grass before the season starts.  Beautiful.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 30, 2013, 11:02:29 PM
Defiance announces their recruiting class.   http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2013-14/2846/yellow-jackets-football-announces-2013-signing-class/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 30, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 30, 2013, 11:02:29 PM
Defiance announces their recruiting class.   http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2013-14/2846/yellow-jackets-football-announces-2013-signing-class/

Westhoven is a serious load at running back - watched two different games where he had 35+ carries vs two playoff-bound teams, and Pollick is no slouch at guard either.   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2013, 08:04:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on July 30, 2013, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on July 29, 2013, 09:41:39 PM
Ohio Northern will have new artificial turf ready early in the season. Otterbein is currently fundraising for a new turf field.  The natural grass fields are quickly going by the wayside. Who will be the last to jump on the new turf bandwagon?

I don't think Wilmington has turf yet.  And I definitely don't think they have a lot of cash for athletics so they'll probably be last.

p.s. That kind of bums me out about Ott.  I was over there not long ago and they had just mowed the field.  It looked like a golf course.  Nothing better than that lush green grass before the season starts.  Beautiful.

Dr. A:

That's interesting.  I thought Wilmington had the new style turf, however, you are right that it is listed as a grass surface in the profile here on d3.com.  Wilmington's official athletic site makes no mention of the actual playing surface and such would support their still having grass as I would imagine it would be mentioned otherwise.  However, the photos of the stadium and playing field sure look like it is the new style turf and if not, they certainly take great care of the field-unless those photos were from the beginning of the season.  I know the Head Athletic Trainer there so perhaps I'll email and/or call him to inquire about this.  I recall him saying something last summer about the eventual plans for new style turf, although perhaps my mind is playing tricks on me!  Regardless, I agree with you guys that the remaining schools in the league will probably get the new style turf in the near future.  They almost have to so as to "keep up with the times".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2013, 08:05:55 AM
cave2:

It's been awhile since correspondence, friend.  How have you been and where are you and the Mrs. now located?  Are you back here in the states?  Hope you are doing well.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on July 31, 2013, 05:08:31 PM
http://www.onusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201307265ob4ax

The ONU press release states that ONU will be the ninth OAC school to have new artificial turf.  Otterbein does not have turf yet so Wilmington should have turf. The photo galleries look like turf and a pic series from '08 mentions new turf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 01, 2013, 11:24:00 AM
FWIW, Oberlin is the lone NCAC grass holdout. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 01, 2013, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on July 31, 2013, 05:08:31 PM
http://www.onusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/201307265ob4ax

The ONU press release states that ONU will be the ninth OAC school to have new artificial turf.  Otterbein does not have turf yet so Wilmington should have turf. The photo galleries look like turf and a pic series from '08 mentions new turf.

So just to clarify, I don't remember Wilm having turf OR ONU having a giant outdoor track right next to their football stadium!  My memory is really good these days.  Hopefully I don't forget the start of the season.  Haha.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2013, 01:06:55 AM
On paper the incoming freshman that will be on the offensive side of the ball look impressive.  Here's the link with more info: http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2013-14/2847/2013-signing-class-a-deeper-look-into-the-offense/.

I do see a few of them that have the potential to switch over to defense if necessary too. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 08, 2013, 02:06:18 PM
http://defianceathletics.com/football/news/2013-14/2851/2013-signing-class-a-deeper-look-into-the-defense/  A look at DC's incoming Freshman on the defensive side of the ball. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 10, 2013, 10:00:42 AM
73 incoming freshmen.  That's a really nice sized class DC brought in!  And that's really handy having those write ups in that format for the incoming kids.  Makes it much easier to browse who's coming.  I wish the OAC schools would do that too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 14, 2013, 03:01:26 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. The HCAC Coaches poll has been released. Not really a shock at who's the favorite. Quite close in the middle of the pack though... http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/8_7_preseason_poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/8_7_preseason_poll)

Franklin (7)           79
Hanover (2)           67
Manchester           54
Mount St. Joseph  45
Rose-Hulman        44
Bluffton                 43
Defiance               40
Earlham                19
Anderson              14
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on August 14, 2013, 07:11:59 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 14, 2013, 03:01:26 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. The HCAC Coaches poll has been released. Not really a shock at who's the favorite. Quite close in the middle of the pack though... http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/8_7_preseason_poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/8_7_preseason_poll)

Franklin (7)           79
Hanover (2)           67
Manchester           54
Mount St. Joseph  45
Rose-Hulman        44
Bluffton                 43
Defiance               40
Earlham                19
Anderson              14

I was surprised that Hanover got 2 votes for first.  I would expect Coach Baud voting for his own team, but looks like someone else among the coaches think the Panthers have a chance.  A lot of football to be played between now and the Victory Bell game in November, in case it comes down to that game being for the conference championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 14, 2013, 12:20:22 PM
For some reason I recall that coaches don't vote for their own team. Hanover prob got FC vote and MSJ.  Just my two cents
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 14, 2013, 01:17:03 PM
Disappointed, but not surprised my Yellow Jackets were picked seventh.  They did a great job recruiting and will now be going on Coach Sheenan's second year, so I expect great things to come in the near future for the Jackets!

The poll looks pretty similar to how last season ended too. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 14, 2013, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 14, 2013, 01:17:03 PM
Disappointed, but not surprised my Yellow Jackets were picked seventh.  They did a great job recruiting and will now be going on Coach Sheenan's second year, so I expect great things to come in the near future for the Jackets!

The poll looks pretty similar to how last season ended too. 

I cannot really share your disappointment on this one given upperclassmen only make up 39% (n=49) of the 125 man roster and then betting blind on a collective gaggle of 76 young'ns (according to roster). With only 33 juniors and sophomores, Coach S will need large classes. The attrition rate for Class of 2016, particularly, is painful. I will admit to a bit of remorse DC was unable to nab the do-everything utility back from Bryan - saw his name on the Morehead State roster @ TE. Hope to see a DIII club grab the Bryan QB this year but suspect he'll go DII at very least given his size and ability.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 14, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Since Coach Kline's wife is a DC alum, maybe he could throw DC a few players!!! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on August 15, 2013, 07:10:29 AM
I believe the Bryan QB is getting some DI looks. He's a stud ... at very least a DII guy. Preseason polls don't mean anything to me, just get rid of them. Mostly a reflection of what happened last season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 15, 2013, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on August 15, 2013, 07:10:29 AM
I believe the Bryan QB is getting some DI looks. He's a stud ... at very least a DII guy. Preseason polls don't mean anything to me, just get rid of them. Mostly a reflection of what happened last season.

Well "Lowdy Me!"  Look who has emerged from self-imposed exile in the Black Swamp.  ;) Haven't seen or heard a peep since before the big city juggernaut from C'bus got punched in the snout by some corn-fed, farm boys up Williams' way.  Must be a crescent rise post Ramadan.  ;D

Agree wholly regarding the QB - wonder if he'd get the playing time, though, on a MAC roster or similar.  Do wish Bacon would have gone DIII rather than be buried as a TE in a Kentucky backwater but hey - who knows?  Not me.  Will fire ya a PM and catch up.  Cheers

@ Has_Been - well, they got the Bear kicker at least and he had lots of practice last couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 18, 2013, 05:59:43 AM
Just looking at the non-conference records of the conference lately (with additional playoff record in parentheses)... not a good trend. The HCAC has gotten worse every year since 2006

2006: 13-11 (0-1)
2007: 12-12 (0-2)
2008: 10-13 (2-1)
2009: 7-17 (0-1)
2010: 6-12 (0-1)
2011: 3-15 (1-1)
2012: 2-16 (1-1)

Looking at predictions on Massey somehow that trend could continue... I wonder if a conference has ever gone 0fer before. Out of 18 games, HCAC teams are favored just once... Manchester by 1.5 over Kalamazoo in week 2. Not only that, but only two other games are teams single digit underdogs (Hanover 2.5 to Illinois College and Rose 3.5 @ Kalamazoo). 12 games the team is at least 20 point underdogs and 3 are at least 30.

Is the conference that absurdly bad (5-31 without playoffs the last 2 years) or are teams simply scheduling far outside of their ability? Franklin is obviously in the latter currently.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on August 19, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 18, 2013, 05:59:43 AM
Just looking at the non-conference records of the conference lately (with additional playoff record in parentheses)... not a good trend. The HCAC has gotten worse every year since 2006

2006: 13-11 (0-1)
2007: 12-12 (0-2)
2008: 10-13 (2-1)
2009: 7-17 (0-1)
2010: 6-12 (0-1)
2011: 3-15 (1-1)
2012: 2-16 (1-1)

Looking at predictions on Massey somehow that trend could continue... I wonder if a conference has ever gone 0fer before. Out of 18 games, HCAC teams are favored just once... Manchester by 1.5 over Kalamazoo in week 2. Not only that, but only two other games are teams single digit underdogs (Hanover 2.5 to Illinois College and Rose 3.5 @ Kalamazoo). 12 games the team is at least 20 point underdogs and 3 are at least 30.

Is the conference that absurdly bad (5-31 without playoffs the last 2 years) or are teams simply scheduling far outside of their ability? Franklin is obviously in the latter currently.

Outside of Franklin, yes the conference is that absurdly bad. They're in another class compared to the rest of the HCAC and the results lately prove that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
Kickoff 2013 is live!

I feel like this is our best Kickoff yet: We made a nice transition to the PrestoSports platform for Kickoff last year and this year we've taken that knowledge and tweaked it. Plus we got some new writers involved and really made sure our continuing writers elevated their game. And ours.

In addition to the previews and features of national interest, Franklin's Matt Walker talks about his injury and how he's battled back from it to get back on the field this year. It's a really inspiring story.

This is the only time we ask you guys for money for anything, as I'm sure you realize. It's more than 300 pages of Division III preseason football knowledge and it's the only place you can get all this stuff: Our previews, our rankings, Keith's analysis, the whole 10 yards. http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/08/get-kickoff-2013

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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 27, 2013, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
Kickoff 2013 is live!

I feel like this is our best Kickoff yet: We made a nice transition to the PrestoSports platform for Kickoff last year and this year we've taken that knowledge and tweaked it. Plus we got some new writers involved and really made sure our continuing writers elevated their game. And ours.

In addition to the previews and features of national interest, Franklin's Matt Walker talks about his injury and how he's battled back from it to get back on the field this year. It's a really inspiring story.

This is the only time we ask you guys for money for anything, as I'm sure you realize. It's more than 300 pages of Division III preseason football knowledge and it's the only place you can get all this stuff: Our previews, our rankings, Keith's analysis, the whole 10 yards. http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/08/get-kickoff-2013

$11, or $7 if you still have access to a .edu email address. (Meant for active players/students and coaches but hey, we know you guys on this board are loyal to D3football.com and we appreciate it.)

Ordered today.  Haven't gone through a lot yet but looks very good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 30, 2013, 07:47:55 AM
As always, The Kickoff is very well done!  I enjoy reading it each season.  GO GRIZ!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 30, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 30, 2013, 07:47:55 AM
As always, The Kickoff is very well done!  I enjoy reading it each season.  GO GRIZ!

GrizFan:

Forgive me for this probably stupid question, which is also probably a more appropriate "off season" question ;D (and I, admittedly, have not checked the Franklin website and usually know this kind of DIII historical trivia), but what is the history as to how/why Franklin College athletic teams became known as the Grizzlies for the team nickname?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 30, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 30, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 30, 2013, 07:47:55 AM
As always, The Kickoff is very well done!  I enjoy reading it each season.  GO GRIZ!

GrizFan:

Forgive me for this probably stupid question, which is also probably a more appropriate "off season" question ;D (and I, admittedly, have not checked the Franklin website and usually know this kind of DIII historical trivia), but what is the history as to how/why Franklin College athletic teams became known as the Grizzlies for the team nickname?  Thanks.
It dates back to the early 20s when the Franklin Wonder Five won three straight high school basketball titles under coach Ernest "Griz" Wagner. He moved on to Franklin College when they graduated and the players went with him. They were quite the team in college too going undefeated in 1923. Eventually FC took the nickname Grizzlies and Franklin HS are the Grizzly Cubs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 30, 2013, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 30, 2013, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 30, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 30, 2013, 07:47:55 AM
As always, The Kickoff is very well done!  I enjoy reading it each season.  GO GRIZ!

GrizFan:

Forgive me for this probably stupid question, which is also probably a more appropriate "off season" question ;D (and I, admittedly, have not checked the Franklin website and usually know this kind of DIII historical trivia), but what is the history as to how/why Franklin College athletic teams became known as the Grizzlies for the team nickname?  Thanks.
It dates back to the early 20s when the Franklin Wonder Five won three straight high school basketball titles under coach Ernest "Griz" Wagner. He moved on to Franklin College when they graduated and the players went with him. They were quite the team in college too going undefeated in 1923. Eventually FC took the nickname Grizzlies and Franklin HS are the Grizzly Cubs

Don't forget, the "Battling Baptists" from Franklin College were crowned the 1923 National Collegiate Basketball Champions by the sportswriters!  They defeated several "Div I" powerhouses that year and were invited to play against the Celtics.  Glad they changed the nickname to the Grizzlies!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on August 30, 2013, 02:49:11 PM
Doesn't quite have the same ring to it as The Fighting Irish

Quote from: GrizFan on August 30, 2013, 02:44:36 PM
Don't forget, the "Battling Baptists" from Franklin College were crowned the 1923 National Collegiate Basketball Champions by the sportswriters!  They defeated several "Div I" powerhouses that year and were invited to play against the Celtics.  Glad they changed the nickname to the Grizzlies!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 05, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
The season is finally here. Just hours until Manchester kicks things off for all of D3. Can't wait for it to get started.

Also anyone who's interested, there's still time to get picks in for the HCAC Pick 'em (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4791.735)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 05, 2013, 04:09:17 PM
C'mon Spartans...  Let's get this HCAC non-conf schedule off to a great start.  I see that they have a video link for tonight so I'll plan on tuning in to cheer them on.

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 05, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
The season is finally here. Just hours until Manchester kicks things off for all of D3. Can't wait for it to get started.

Also anyone who's interested, there's still time to get picks in for the HCAC Pick 'em (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4791.735)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2013, 03:49:51 PM
Hanover is getting crushed 42-6 at halftime... Franklin was down 20-0 at halftime but have made it a 21-23 game in the 4th quarter and have all the momentum. It's getting really exciting (where's a jumping up and down bouncing off the walls smiley when you need one? :D)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2013, 04:58:07 PM
Disappointed that Franklin couldn't hang on for the win... but that was a heck of a 2nd half. Time to look forward to next week and the first night game at Faught Stadium against Butler.
Hanover went down 49-13 to Illinois College. What happened there? I thought that'd be a lot closer than that. Rose was up 16-7 at halftime and led late in the 3rd, but couldn't beat Kalamazoo falling 23-28. Add in Manchester losing 19-3 on Thursday and the HCAC is now 0-4 and I don't see it getting much better with any of the 5 games tonight.
Somebody... anybody get a win tonight :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 07, 2013, 08:45:27 PM
Defiance seems to of found a QB. Been a while. Gotta hold onto the rock
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2013, 09:12:42 PM
Thought DC was going to do it but they fell short to Albion 29-32.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2013, 12:41:50 AM
Well... the conference is of to a great start this year... 0-9 and lost by a combined 324-160. We had opportunities... Franklin, Defiance, and Rose were all within 1 possession.
Next week 7 of 8 are at home (only Hanover is on the road). I don't think we'll have too much success, but I think we can pull off a win somewhere. Surely a conference can't be winless through 2 weeks right? ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 08, 2013, 12:59:48 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2013, 12:41:50 AM
Well... the conference is of to a great start this year... 0-9 and lost by a combined 324-160. We had opportunities... Franklin, Defiance, and Rose were all within 1 possession.
Next week 7 of 8 are at home (only Hanover is on the road). I don't think we'll have too much success, but I think we can pull off a win somewhere. Surely a conference can't be winless through 2 weeks right? ???

Well the HCAC isn't alone this week. The NACC went 0-7 outscored by a combined 299-130.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2013, 01:11:03 AM
It was a tough loss for Franklin as they did a great job capitalizing on turnovers, but unfortunately they fell short.  DC was a tough loss as well as turnovers seemed to be the dagger that did them in overall.  Glad to see the freshman qb stepped in and did a great job.  Hopefully he can repeat his performance next week against MIAA favorite Adrain. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2013, 02:23:49 PM
Not bad for Franklin to jump up 6 spots in the top 25 after losing a game.  I guess even losing to Mount Union is a good thing ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 09, 2013, 02:23:49 PM
Not bad for Franklin to jump up 6 spots in the top 25 after losing a game.  I guess even losing to Mount Union is a good thing ;D
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Getting blown out would not be a good thing.  Leading them in the 4th quarter and only falling by 3, however, ...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 09, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
I think I figured out why Hanover had such a hard time last week...they only started five dudes on offense and 9 on defense. (http://d3football.com/seasons/2013/boxscores/20130907_ekk4.xml?view=starters)   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 09, 2013, 03:28:50 PM
Anybody have a status update on Dexter Britt?  Looks like he left the game in the second quarter on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 09, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
I think I figured out why Hanover had such a hard time last week...they only started five dudes on offense and 9 on defense. (http://d3football.com/seasons/2013/boxscores/20130907_ekk4.xml?view=starters)   :)
Wow, no oline or CB's!  Not going to win too many games with that format. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 10, 2013, 01:22:20 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 09, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 09, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
I think I figured out why Hanover had such a hard time last week...they only started five dudes on offense and 9 on defense. (http://d3football.com/seasons/2013/boxscores/20130907_ekk4.xml?view=starters)   :)
Wow, no oline or CB's!  Not going to win too many games with that format. ;)
No wonder the conference is 5-40 the past 3 seasons against other conferences in the regular season... apparently the rest of the country uses more players than us :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 10, 2013, 05:03:14 PM
Sure felt that way

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 09, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
I think I figured out why Hanover had such a hard time last week...they only started five dudes on offense and 9 on defense. (http://d3football.com/seasons/2013/boxscores/20130907_ekk4.xml?view=starters)   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 10, 2013, 05:09:17 PM
Haven't heard a thing.  Would guess that he won't play if the slightest bit tweaked. Save him for conference opener against MSJ.

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 09, 2013, 03:28:50 PM
Anybody have a status update on Dexter Britt?  Looks like he left the game in the second quarter on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 10, 2013, 05:18:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 09, 2013, 02:23:49 PM
Not bad for Franklin to jump up 6 spots in the top 25 after losing a game.  I guess even losing to Mount Union is a good thing ;D
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Getting blown out would not be a good thing.  Leading them in the 4th quarter and only falling by 3, however, ...

Yup.  Worthy of a rise in the polls IMO.  Should help come seeding time as well.  Hate to concede to that fact but haven't seen anything yet that would lead me to believe anyone in the conference can stop them.  Still a lot of ball to be played so who knows...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 04:16:56 AM
It's Saturday and that can only mean one thing... HCAC teams losing ::) I think the HCAC needs to set up a challenge with the NACC teams so both conferences might get a few wins. Looking at predictions on Massey and it's not much better than last week... only 2 teams have more than an 11% chance of winning (Franklin 35% and Manchester 44%).
Hopefully a couple teams will buck the odds and we avoid topping the Detroit Lions by going 0-17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 14, 2013, 12:20:12 PM
Sad but true.  With that being said...  Go HCAC anyway!!!! 

Boy, you were up early or up late!



Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 04:16:56 AM
It's Saturday and that can only mean one thing... HCAC teams losing ::) I think the HCAC needs to set up a challenge with the NACC teams so both conferences might get a few wins. Looking at predictions on Massey and it's not much better than last week... only 2 teams have more than an 11% chance of winning (Franklin 35% and Manchester 44%).
Hopefully a couple teams will buck the odds and we avoid topping the Detroit Lions by going 0-17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 14, 2013, 03:36:27 PM
Quite possibly the worst display of a football team I've seen in a very, very long time.
>:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 05:42:16 PM
UPSET ALERT! Earlham is up 18-8 on Kenyon at the start of the 4th... could our first win of the season really come in the 15th game... from Earlham?
Bluffton and Manchester were game early but couldn't hang on in the 2nd half. Hanover and Anderson... no comment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 14, 2013, 05:46:03 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 04:16:56 AM
It's Saturday and that can only mean one thing... HCAC teams losing ::) I think the HCAC needs to set up a challenge with the NACC teams so both conferences might get a few wins. Looking at predictions on Massey and it's not much better than last week... only 2 teams have more than an 11% chance of winning (Franklin 35% and Manchester 44%).
Hopefully a couple teams will buck the odds and we avoid topping the Detroit Lions by going 0-17

Well the NACC got their first win with Concordia Wisconsin winning. Could've had two this afternoon but WLC lost a heartbreaker to Olivet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on September 14, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
Franklin stream isn't working, right?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 14, 2013, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: BashDad on September 14, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
Franklin stream isn't working, right?

The live stats has to refreshed a few times.

Earlham leads 25-15 with less than 4 minutes remaining.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on September 14, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
What? I mean the video.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 14, 2013, 06:11:19 PM
My bad....I was thinking about the Kenyon-Earlham game  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 06:18:46 PM
The link only goes to the radio coverage for the Franklin game... here's the link for video: http://54.243.204.109:8080/player/ (http://54.243.204.109:8080/player/)

And congrats to Earlham for taking over the best record in the HCAC as they're the only ones with a win at the moment. :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Earlam representing! :)

Watched sone of Defiance and looks like had a different QB today not sure what happened to hcac player of the week from last week. They show elements of a good but young team. Play well but bad penalties and bad turnovers while dominating the stats. Held Adrian to 200yds of offense but can't give them the ball on the 9 no matter how well D is playing. I predict Defiance will make some waves in league play. They are playing well just need to clean it up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 08:36:53 PM
Franklin is in another exciting game this week. 21-21 with 5 minutes left and Franklin driving inside the 10. But an interception keeps the game tied and gives Butler the chance to drive down the field.

Edit: Butler drives down the field and lead 28-21. Grizzlies have to drive 75 yards in 2:39 with 2 timeouts left
Edit2: 4 and out and Butler has the ball inside the Franklin 20. Looking like another heartbreaker for the Grizzlies unless they can force a fumble or something
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 08:58:06 PM
Butler with a FG to take a 31-21 lead and 40 seconds left... Franklin doesn't give up and returns the kickoff for a TD and now it's 31-28 Butler with 27 seconds left and the onside kick coming

Edit: Butler recovers the kick and Franklin loses again to an excellent team by 3 points. Franklin is arguably the most impressive 0-2 team in the country... time to focus on trying to run the HCAC slate and then make some noise in the postseason.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2013, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 08:58:06 PM
Butler with a FG to take a 31-21 lead and 40 seconds left... Franklin doesn't give up and returns the kickoff for a TD and now it's 31-28 Butler with 27 seconds left and the onside kick coming

Edit: Butler recovers the kick and Franklin loses again to an excellent team by 3 points. Franklin is arguably the most impressive 0-2 team in the country... time to focus on trying to run the HCAC slate and then make some noise in the postseason.

IMO, no 'arguably' about it (though Salisbury is also a rather impressive 0-2 team).  Given the HCAC this year, I have little doubt that in a couple of months Franklin will be at least 'arguably' the most impressive 8-2 team in the country! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCF on September 14, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2013, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2013, 08:58:06 PM
Butler with a FG to take a 31-21 lead and 40 seconds left... Franklin doesn't give up and returns the kickoff for a TD and now it's 31-28 Butler with 27 seconds left and the onside kick coming

Edit: Butler recovers the kick and Franklin loses again to an excellent team by 3 points. Franklin is arguably the most impressive 0-2 team in the country... time to focus on trying to run the HCAC slate and then make some noise in the postseason.

IMO, no 'arguably' about it (though Salisbury is also a rather impressive 0-2 team).  Given the HCAC this year, I have little doubt that in a couple of months Franklin will be at least 'arguably' the most impressive 8-2 team in the country! ;)
To say the least!  Wow!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ECFan11 on September 15, 2013, 08:37:06 AM
Earlham College #1 in the HCAC !! well for this week anyways we will take it.  still had some mistakes but if they can clean it up some more watch out. the D is looking better and more confident. good job EC!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2013, 10:58:20 AM
Congrats Earlham for the W and not letting the HCAC go winless!

Franklin, keep your heads up, because this is a very impressive team that will for sure do damage in the HCAC, but will do well in the playoffs.

DC's defense has done a good job yesterday and the week before.  The offense is doing well, but do need to eliminate the turnovers inside their own 50.   They're young, especially the qb who still did a decent job this week, and I believe they are going to do a lot better than expected this season.  Go Jackets!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2013, 08:49:55 AM
It's time for conference play to begin. My prediction is that HCAC teams will have 4 times as many wins as they've had the first two weeks :D It will be interesting to see how everyone does because I haven't really gotten a feel for how most teams are going to do this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 22, 2013, 09:43:13 AM
Well, for the third week in a row, DC has more total yards than their opponent and they still lose.  I will stay calm and remind myself that this is still a pretty young team and a coach under his second year at DC.  I like what they are doing, but need to eliminate their costly mistakes. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2013, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 22, 2013, 09:43:13 AM
Well, for the third week in a row, DC has more total yards than their opponent and they still lose. I will stay calm and remind myself that this is still a pretty young team and a coach under his second year at DC.  I like what they are doing, but need to eliminate their costly mistakes. 
To be honest this season is all about Franklin as it's going to be quite the upset if Franklin doesn't run the table. But with a lot of graduating seniors the Grizzlies might finally be beaten next year. So if I was coach of a young team in the HCAC I wouldn't even worry about the record this year and use it as a season long training camp to focus on 2014. The good news for Defiance is they have Anderson next so they should be able to get in the win column and get a little positive momentum going.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 22, 2013, 01:13:24 PM
I do agree that Franklin is going to run the table this year in the HCAC.  I wish the rest of the HCAC helped them a bit with their non-conference games so it would benefit them getting a better seed in the playoffs.
In regards to them losing seniors after this season, I have a feeling they have many underclassman capable filling their spots and continuing to do well as long as Coach Leonard is there. 
For DC, I hope they continue to play strong defense and put up good offensive numbers.  If they can get on the plus side of turnovers and convert some third downs, I can see them towards the top of the HCAC this year building towards a better 2014.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 23, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
Yup.  Looks to be a one team conference for the foreseeable future.  Only good news is 2nd place is anyone's guess at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 23, 2013, 01:45:25 PM
It would be a lot more fun if there were 3-4 teams truly in the mix.  While the GRIZ took two losses this year, it was certainly fun to attend games where the outcome was in doubt until the final tick.  I am sure the Mount and Butler folks enjoyed the games for the same reason.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 23, 2013, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 23, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
Yup.  Looks to be a one team conference for the foreseeable future.  Only good news is 2nd place is anyone's guess at this point.

I believe the GRIZ should easily run the table and claim the playoff spot.  I do always worry about a let down.  I am a little scared of MSJ.  If they ever get good QB play, they could be dangerous.  They always play tough against FC (except last year) and they do have Antonio Banks, a former Div. I player who started as a freshman at IU.  He is very dangerous.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2013, 03:40:30 PM
Except for the one run which gave Earlham their only score, the Grizzlies have really taken care of business so far. 52-7 at halftime... 367 yards of offense and forced 5 turnovers. The one area that they've struggled a little bit is rushing the ball. I'd expect them to get some practice in the 2nd half

It looks like D3 wanted in on that blowout action that D1 had last week... Franklin, Wabash, Heidelberg all up by at least 45 at halftime
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
Franklin has looked much better running the ball in the second half, even with all backups in. They've been doing their best to try to let the clock down, but Earlham just can't make a stop and Franklin has hit the 80 point mark with under 5 minutes left. Franklin has nearly 600 yards of offense and has forced 6 turnovers.

Looks like plenty of points in the other conference games too but not quite so one sided
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: middlerelief on September 28, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
FC putting up 80 just seems fairly lame

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 28, 2013, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: middlerelief on September 28, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
FC putting up 80 just seems fairly lame

I was at the game and FC extensively played all who traveled.  How do you tell a 4th or 5th stringer to stop playing hard?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 28, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Looks like Franklin had their third and fourth qbs throw a few passes. Maybe- and I mean MAYBE- you can gripe and say they didn't need to be throwing. But it's the third and fourth guys on the depth chart and, honestly, we're men and this isn't peewee football. Compete.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 29, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 28, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Looks like Franklin had their third and fourth qbs throw a few passes. Maybe- and I mean MAYBE- you can gripe and say they didn't need to be throwing. But it's the third and fourth guys on the depth chart and, honestly, we're men and this isn't peewee football. Compete.

The only real passing was on a series in the fourth where the 3/4 string transfer from Wittenberg got in.  Have to see what he can do.  Leonard didn't try to run up the score.  No starters played after half time.  Wally summed it up nicely.  The Griz could have scored 100 and met the wrath of CNN or Rick Reilly for picking on the poor hapless Quakers but didn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 29, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: middlerelief on September 28, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
FC putting up 80 just seems fairly lame
Should they have fallen down after each snap on offense? 

Happy to see my DC get a W.  Hoping their defense continues to play strong and the offense limits their mistakes.  I would love to see someone else other then the qb get 100 yards rushing as well.  Overall, I believe they'll pick up a few more wins in conference play and be in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on September 30, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Can't blame The Griz for putting up 80.  It's like Bama playing a mediocre Div II team.  I think this conference as a whole is to blame.  I do believe there is conference leadership so I wonder what they're trying to do, with the members, to right the ship.

I know education comes first but dang...  Surely we can do better than this. 

Franklin enjoys a sizable advantage in the conference but it will not serve them well come the playoffs.  To jump into a game with the likes of Mary-Hardin Baylor, etc. after playing this conference schedule is too much.  I'm afraid Franklin's performance in the first two games may be a distant memory when it comes time to seed.

Sorry for the rant but it's just getting old.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
IMO about DC, the President there is working on strengthening the football program and the rest of the sports too.  By adding the turf to the field and a field house, and trying to raise enrollment, I am hoping DC will become competitive in year to come.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 30, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Forgive an ignorant OAC'er, but what's the story with MSJ?  Have they ever been good?  I would think that based purely on their geographic location they should at least be able to field a competitive team.       
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 30, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Forgive an ignorant OAC'er, but what's the story with MSJ?  Have they ever been good?  I would think that based purely on their geographic location they should at least be able to field a competitive team.     
It depends on your definition of competitive. It wasn't that long ago they were very competitive by HCAC standards. They made the playoffs 5 out of 6 years from 2004-09. But if you go by national standards they weren't as they managed 0 playoff wins in that span.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 30, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
Good point, I should have defined it.  I don't mean competitive like Franklin is now.  I guess I was thinking more like win 7-8 games, be able to beat middle of the pack teams from other conferences.  Something like that.  So it seems my answer is probably that they were that recently.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 30, 2013, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 30, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Can't blame The Griz for putting up 80.  It's like Bama playing a mediocre Div II team.  I think this conference as a whole is to blame.  I do believe there is conference leadership so I wonder what they're trying to do, with the members, to right the ship.

I know education comes first but dang...  Surely we can do better than this. 

Franklin enjoys a sizable advantage in the conference but it will not serve them well come the playoffs.  To jump into a game with the likes of Mary-Hardin Baylor, etc. after playing this conference schedule is too much.  I'm afraid Franklin's performance in the first two games may be a distant memory when it comes time to seed.

Sorry for the rant but it's just getting old.

I hope the Griz gains a little more respect based on their close losses to UMU and Butler.  Last season, they lost big to both teams and, even though they tore up the HCAC (including 3 straight shutouts), they were forced to play at Adrian in round 1.  They have enjoyed 4 playoff wins (3 on the road) in the past 5 years.  If they run the table this season, I hope they get at least one home playoff game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 30, 2013, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 30, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Can't blame The Griz for putting up 80.  It's like Bama playing a mediocre Div II team.  I think this conference as a whole is to blame.  I do believe there is conference leadership so I wonder what they're trying to do, with the members, to right the ship.

I know education comes first but dang...  Surely we can do better than this. 

Franklin enjoys a sizable advantage in the conference but it will not serve them well come the playoffs.  To jump into a game with the likes of Mary-Hardin Baylor, etc. after playing this conference schedule is too much.  I'm afraid Franklin's performance in the first two games may be a distant memory when it comes time to seed.

Sorry for the rant but it's just getting old.

I hope the Griz gains a little more respect based on their close losses to UMU and Butler.  Last season, they lost big to both teams and, even though they tore up the HCAC (including 3 straight shutouts), they were forced to play at Adrian in round 1.  They have enjoyed 4 playoff wins (3 on the road) in the past 5 years.  If they run the table this season, I hope they get at least one home playoff game.

Respect has virtually nothing to do with selection or seeding (nor does margin of victory or defeat).  In the eyes of the committee, the Griz will be 8-1 (Butler simply doesn't count), very good, but with a very weak SoS.  While it is way too early to make any intelligent speculation, a status like that is generally good for a 4 or 5 seed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 30, 2013, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 30, 2013, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 30, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Can't blame The Griz for putting up 80.  It's like Bama playing a mediocre Div II team.  I think this conference as a whole is to blame.  I do believe there is conference leadership so I wonder what they're trying to do, with the members, to right the ship.

I know education comes first but dang...  Surely we can do better than this. 

Franklin enjoys a sizable advantage in the conference but it will not serve them well come the playoffs.  To jump into a game with the likes of Mary-Hardin Baylor, etc. after playing this conference schedule is too much.  I'm afraid Franklin's performance in the first two games may be a distant memory when it comes time to seed.

Sorry for the rant but it's just getting old.

I hope the Griz gains a little more respect based on their close losses to UMU and Butler.  Last season, they lost big to both teams and, even though they tore up the HCAC (including 3 straight shutouts), they were forced to play at Adrian in round 1.  They have enjoyed 4 playoff wins (3 on the road) in the past 5 years.  If they run the table this season, I hope they get at least one home playoff game.

Respect has virtually nothing to do with selection or seeding (nor does margin of victory or defeat).  In the eyes of the committee, the Griz will be 8-1 (Butler simply doesn't count), very good, but with a very weak SoS.  While it is way too early to make any intelligent speculation, a status like that is generally good for a 4 or 5 seed.

I think the GRIZ should get a 3 this year (and deserve one).  As has been noted FC could schedule themselves to 10-0.  As long as they can escape the second round road trip to the 1, seeding is a success.  It all depends on how bad Mount pounds every team on their schedule especially Heidelberg and if Witt can beat Wabash. Premature speculation at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 30, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 30, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Forgive an ignorant OAC'er, but what's the story with MSJ?  Have they ever been good?  I would think that based purely on their geographic location they should at least be able to field a competitive team.     
It depends on your definition of competitive. It wasn't that long ago they were very competitive by HCAC standards. They made the playoffs 5 out of 6 years from 2004-09. But if you go by national standards they weren't as they managed 0 playoff wins in that span.

MSJ brought in 3-4 D1 transfers this year (current QB, both RBs and an OL).  However they squeaked by a bad to medicore Hanover team and lost to middle of the pack Augustana.  They did put up some numbers on Bluffton but also gave up 28.  Still they will need to get better in the next two weeks or the GRIZ will pound them.  Also MSJ finishes with Thomas More and not likely to win that one either.  I still look for MSJ to get to 7-3.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 30, 2013, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 30, 2013, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 30, 2013, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: panthersfan on September 30, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Can't blame The Griz for putting up 80.  It's like Bama playing a mediocre Div II team.  I think this conference as a whole is to blame.  I do believe there is conference leadership so I wonder what they're trying to do, with the members, to right the ship.

I know education comes first but dang...  Surely we can do better than this. 

Franklin enjoys a sizable advantage in the conference but it will not serve them well come the playoffs.  To jump into a game with the likes of Mary-Hardin Baylor, etc. after playing this conference schedule is too much.  I'm afraid Franklin's performance in the first two games may be a distant memory when it comes time to seed.

Sorry for the rant but it's just getting old.

I hope the Griz gains a little more respect based on their close losses to UMU and Butler.  Last season, they lost big to both teams and, even though they tore up the HCAC (including 3 straight shutouts), they were forced to play at Adrian in round 1.  They have enjoyed 4 playoff wins (3 on the road) in the past 5 years.  If they run the table this season, I hope they get at least one home playoff game.

Respect has virtually nothing to do with selection or seeding (nor does margin of victory or defeat).  In the eyes of the committee, the Griz will be 8-1 (Butler simply doesn't count), very good, but with a very weak SoS.  While it is way too early to make any intelligent speculation, a status like that is generally good for a 4 or 5 seed.

I think the GRIZ should get a 3 this year (and deserve one).  As has been noted FC could schedule themselves to 10-0.  As long as they can escape the second round road trip to the 1, seeding is a success.  It all depends on how bad Mount pounds every team on their schedule especially Heidelberg and if Witt can beat Wabash. Premature speculation at this point.

However, they do take history in the playoffs into account. They have not performed well against #1 seeds recently in the playoffs, but other than that the GRIZ has been competitive against other teams. I think a #3 would be worthy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on September 30, 2013, 05:43:47 PM
However, they do take history in the playoffs into account.

Actually, history in the playoffs is only used to differentiate among unbeaten teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
I like how things are looking for DC.  They are playing great defense so far and the offense is doing well too.  If they continue to improve I like how things look for the future in Defiance. 

RHIT is shaping up to be better than I expected.  I figured they would play better than .500 ball, but I think they'll probably the #2 team in the HCAC. 

MSJ is the team that I am still curious about.  Their offense has put up two strong offensive performances the last two weeks.  They'll face Franklin this week and we'll see how good the offense really is.

Overall, I think Franklin and MSJ is the highlight for the HCAC this week, but obviously I am looking forward to DC/Manchester game.  DC is playing better than expected and as their defense is carrying the team, the offense is getting better each week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 08, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
I am still very worried about the GRIZ in this Saturday's game versus MSJ.  The off-week may help or it may prove costly.  MSJ's  Div I transfers are scary.  RB Fulcher (son of Bengals HoF safety and Ohio U transfer) is a total stud, RB Banks (IU/SIU) started for IU as a true freshman, WR/KR Riston (ISU) was the Sycamores' leading returner, and QB Watkins (BGSU) is improving each each week.  All are very good.  It will all come down to the play in the trenches!  GO GRIZ! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2013, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 08, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
I am still very worried about the GRIZ in this Saturday's game versus MSJ.  The off-week may help or it may prove costly.  MSJ's  Div I transfers are scary.  RB Fulcher (son of Bengals HoF safety and Ohio U transfer) is a total stud, RB Banks (IU/SIU) started for IU as a true freshman, WR/KR Riston (ISU) was the Sycamores' leading returner, and QB Watkins (BGSU) is improving each each week.  All are very good.  It will all come down to the play in the trenches!  GO GRIZ!

if it comes down to the play in the trenches, MSJ is still growing in those spots.  I think you'll be ok.. but you're right.  This is a scary game for the Franklin.  Really, its an elimination game for the tournament.  The winner will be in the driver seat for the HCAC berth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 09, 2013, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2013, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 08, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
I am still very worried about the GRIZ in this Saturday's game versus MSJ.  The off-week may help or it may prove costly.  MSJ's  Div I transfers are scary.  RB Fulcher (son of Bengals HoF safety and Ohio U transfer) is a total stud, RB Banks (IU/SIU) started for IU as a true freshman, WR/KR Riston (ISU) was the Sycamores' leading returner, and QB Watkins (BGSU) is improving each each week.  All are very good.  It will all come down to the play in the trenches!  GO GRIZ!

if it comes down to the play in the trenches, MSJ is still growing in those spots.  I think you'll be ok.. but you're right.  This is a scary game for the Franklin.  Really, its an elimination game for the tournament.  The winner will be in the driver seat for the HCAC berth.

While this could certainly be considered a "trap" game, I am sure Coach Leonard has stressed all week the importance of playing this game at the same high level as every game.  While the thought of D1 transfers can look scary on paper, the GRIZ are loaded at virtually every spot and have depth.  I still think the GRIZ score north of 40 and MSJ will be hard pressed to break 20 points.  The GRIZ will hear all week about the transfers and have something to prove is my take.  GRIZ 48 MSJ 17.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 09, 2013, 05:42:14 PM
I don't think the four dI transfers are something to worry about.  Considering Franklin has played against a team full of them this year, they should be fine.  Don't get me wrong, all four's stats show they are special players, but it takes 11 on each side to win a game. 
Franklin has built a great program and I would like to see other HCAC schools follow in their footsteps.  Hopefully in a two to three years there can be 3-4 teams being competitive for the HCAC crown. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 13, 2013, 06:17:18 PM
Well, I guess MSJ was no match for Franklin.  Hopefully MSJ will be able to win their nonconf. game against TMC at the end of the season to give some strength to Franklin's regional ranking. 
RHIT will show us next week how good they really are.  I do not expect them to give Franklin much trouble, but they could try to make it a bit interesting. 
MSJ will have a tough task against my Jackets this upcoming Saturday.  I believe DC's defense is going to give MSJ a lot of trouble, and the Yellow Jacket's offense will move the ball up and down the field burning up the clock and coming out victorious.
Overall, Franklin is going to win he conference as expected, so I am going to focus on the two spot and hope my DC is good as they look on paper (except for the many turnovers) and be tied with someone at the end of the year at number two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 14, 2013, 08:22:07 AM
The GRIZ offense looked very good, starters only played 2.5 quarters.  They could have scored 20-30 more points.  The defense looked very good against the run and gave up only 9 yards rushing.  It helped that Fulcher was hurt during pre-game warmups.  The GRIZ pass defense got burned early by Riston, he is very good.  They made adjustments and the pass rush really picked it up.  We will crush the Ravens this week, it will be another name your score game.  The big game will be at RHIT in a couple of weeks!  GO GRIZ!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2013, 12:20:09 PM
I do not want to overlook this week for Franklin, but next week with both teams at 4-0, it makes for an exciting game.

For this week, I am looking forward to my DC traveling to Cincy to try to keep their win streak alive.  As I have mentioned before, their defense has been doing a great job all year but have a tough task against MSJ's offense this week.  I will be looking for DC's offense to control the clock and play turnover free to help and win this game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on October 14, 2013, 04:09:13 PM
Hello everyone, this is my first time in this forum. First for Mt. fans I saw Thomas More the first week of the season and they didn't impress me too much. True the defense shut out cap but cap is trying too play a triple option and they have a long way to go.  I will give More credit they showed how to shut the triple option down so they have good coaching. My main point is that I am thinking about attending this weeks game between Defiance and Mt. St. Joseph. It is my goal to attend at least one game at every school in Ohio that plays varsity football at least once. 27 of 41 down right now. Mt. is one I haven't been too. Is there any info that you can give me about the respective teams and what to watch for? Also any info about Mt. , parking , the stadium, traditions, good places to eat around the college. I love to take pictures of every campus I go too so I am very much looking forward to this weekend.

david
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2013, 02:15:26 PM
35-0 Griz up after 1. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2013, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on October 14, 2013, 04:09:13 PM
Hello everyone, this is my first time in this forum. First for Mt. fans I saw Thomas More the first week of the season and they didn't impress me too much. True the defense shut out cap but cap is trying too play a triple option and they have a long way to go.  I will give More credit they showed how to shut the triple option down so they have good coaching. My main point is that I am thinking about attending this weeks game between Defiance and Mt. St. Joseph. It is my goal to attend at least one game at every school in Ohio that plays varsity football at least once. 27 of 41 down right now. Mt. is one I haven't been too. Is there any info that you can give me about the respective teams and what to watch for? Also any info about Mt. , parking , the stadium, traditions, good places to eat around the college. I love to take pictures of every campus I go too so I am very much looking forward to this weekend.

david

Very hard to get reads on teams in the first week of the season. I was really surprised to see that Thomas More lost to W&J last Saturday night. The Bridge Bowl may very well be TMC's "postseason game" for the 2nd straight year.

I think MSJ knows what to expect from TMC as the Head Coach and some of the TM staff used to coach at MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
51-0 at half. Griz over Ravens. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
51-0 at half. Griz over Ravens.

wow. JV time in 2nd half
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 19, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
More time of possession, more first downs, more offensive yards, better third down efficiency, and oh yeah, five flipping turnovers!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 20, 2013, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 19, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
More time of possession, more first downs, more offensive yards, better third down efficiency, and oh yeah, five flipping turnovers!!! 

Yeah, reminds one of the flashy CV with all sorts of credentials and prestigious education but mediocre results where rubber meets the road.  ;)  Hope DC as a team starts to execute before the staff starts to evaporate (again)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 22, 2013, 12:08:24 PM
Hopefully DC will bounce back this week and beat Hanover.  I still am pleased overall with how they've performed this season and now expect them to take two out of their last three and finish 5-5.  With so much young talent, I hope that it carries over to next season and the DC program grows in to a competitor of the HCAC.  Time will tell, but hopefully they take care of the Panthers first.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on October 23, 2013, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 22, 2013, 12:08:24 PM
Hopefully DC will bounce back this week and beat Hanover.  I still am pleased overall with how they've performed this season and now expect them to take two out of their last three and finish 5-5.  With so much young talent, I hope that it carries over to next season and the DC program grows in to a competitor of the HCAC.  Time will tell, but hopefully they take care of the Panthers first.

I am hoping Hanover stays on a roll and takes care of business in Defiance on Saturday.  In preparation for this titanic struggle in Northwest Ohio, I was scouring the conference stats for tell-tale signs of something.  What struck me was the similarity between the two teams this season in terms of results.  Here is the link to the HCAC site:

http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2013-14/teams?sort=ydpg&r=0&pos=yar

Both teams have lost to MSJ and Rose Hulman, posted a convincing win over Anderson, and have other conference wins (Defiance over Earlham and Manchester and Hanover over Bluffton in a shutout).  Many other similarities throughout the stats (avg points/game, avg yards rushing, etc).

The weather shouldn't be a huge factor in the game, as it is predicted to be around 50 around game time, although the wind is predicted to be in the 15 - 25 mph range.  Neither team relies solely on the pass, so if the wind dictates a ground and pound affair, it should not be a surprise.

Defiance has done well in taking advantage of turnovers this season, so minimizing them in all facets of the game will be important for the Panthers.  Hanover's D looked pretty sharp the last couple of weeks, but it is hard to read too much into that.  Stillwell (#99) leads the conference in sacks, and will look to add to his total on Saturday, but I am sure he is being game-planned for.

Looking forward to the game to see if Hanover's gains of late are as significant as we all want to believe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on October 24, 2013, 02:47:44 PM
Can honestly say Hanover finally looked like the team I expected to see from day 1 last week.  I will most likely be making the long trip solo on Saturday.  See ya there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 25, 2013, 03:58:27 PM
I made it down to Tennessee for my niece's wedding. Unfortunately I won't be able to follow the battle of the unbeatens tomorrow but hopefully the Grizzlies take care of business. I'll try to lurk a bit tomorrow night to see the results but my tablet is so slow I won't bother with the boards. Enjoy your weekend everybody :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BayernFan on October 26, 2013, 01:52:27 PM
FC 7 RH 0. 6:24 1st
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BayernFan on October 26, 2013, 01:59:50 PM
FC 14. RH 0.  3:48 1st
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 26, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
GRIZ roll over Rose 64-14.  Let the record show that Rose was down 64-0 with approx 5 min to go.  FC called off the dogs after 3. Rose left starters in until they scored with 5 left.  Chippy game today.  Rose exposed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 30, 2013, 07:44:57 AM
Well, not much excitement in the conference other than RHIT/MSJ deciding who is going to have the second best conference record. 

I am hoping DC can put together a mistake free game and keep it interesting against Franklin.   Not expecting a miracle, but not having a blowout could very well be a possibility. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
You said this on the NCAC page too but I want to reiterate for those here: No such changes were made and there is no requirement for existing members to change email addresses.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 04, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
To the Franklin posters out there, how did DC look against you guys? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 11:56:42 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 04, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
To the Franklin posters out there, how did DC look against you guys?

Compared to the other HCAC teams FC has faced (I have been to every game except Anderson), DC has some talent (decent speed) particularly in the secondary as well as some decent receivers.  While the score was close, DC appears to be on the upswing at the skill positions. I thought DC's defense was much improved and certainly in the top tier compared to the rest of the conference.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 26, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
GRIZ roll over Rose 64-14.  Let the record show that Rose was down 64-0 with approx 5 min to go.  FC called off the dogs after 3. Rose left starters in until they scored with 5 left.  Chippy game today.  Rose exposed.

You're allowed to do that, btw. If I were coaching, I would do the same. Those kids worked their asses off all week. Good for them for seeing it through all 60 minutes. That's a life lesson right there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.

Very cool video, btw. That's an awesome thing going on at Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.

Very cool video, btw. That's an awesome thing going on at Franklin.

Thanks.  Thomas More stll have a shot at playoffs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.

Very cool video, btw. That's an awesome thing going on at Franklin.

Thanks.  Thomas More stll have a shot at playoffs?

They have to win out. If W&J loses then they are in as auto qualifier.  If W&J wins out and they win out, they should be the 1st Pool C team to go out of the South a Region.

They need to make a statement in The Bridge Bowl, IMO to remove doubt. It would be a shame if they missed. This team is good but a very young one. They just broke the record of shutouts in a season with 4 (my freshman year 95 team had the record with three). Anytime you are mentioned with that team, you're doing something right. Plus they have probably a first team AA at RB in Hayden. We'll see, I guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 11:56:42 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 04, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
To the Franklin posters out there, how did DC look against you guys?

Compared to the other HCAC teams FC has faced (I have been to every game except Anderson), DC has some talent (decent speed) particularly in the secondary as well as some decent receivers.  While the score was close, DC appears to be on the upswing at the skill positions. I thought DC's defense was much improved and certainly in the top tier compared to the rest of the conference.

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 05, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.

Very cool video, btw. That's an awesome thing going on at Franklin.

Thanks.  Thomas More stll have a shot at playoffs?

They have to win out. If W&J loses then they are in as auto qualifier.  If W&J wins out and they win out, they should be the 1st Pool C team to go out of the South a Region.

They need to make a statement in The Bridge Bowl, IMO to remove doubt. It would be a shame if they missed. This team is good but a very young one. They just broke the record of shutouts in a season with 4 (my freshman year 95 team had the record with three). Anytime you are mentioned with that team, you're doing something right. Plus they have probably a first team AA at RB in Hayden. We'll see, I guess.

I was beginning to think that this year's edition of the Bridge Bowl would be an interesting matchup, with MSJ being closer than the 71-3 fiasco of last year (or the year previous, I can't remember).  Then they got shut out by Rose Hulman 34 - 0, and I really don't know what to expect.  Would not be surprised to see them make a game of it, or for the Saints to completely roll over them, knowing the implications for the post season ride on the effort.

This week's game against Earlham won't be too much of a gauge, so I guess we will know in about a week and a half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
Friends:
I have a question for you die-hards here.  I know many of us have discussed some of this in general in the past here and on the other boards, however, just wanted to know about any of your updated opinions.  What do you think about DIII schools playing an occasional FCS school, regardless of scholarship or the non-scholarship Pioneer League schools, such as Franklin has (and others such as some of our MIAA schools, Albion, Hope in the past have periodically) for one of their non-conference games?  I realize that some people do not favor or like that, in part, because those do not really count as towards SOS for the DIII playoffs.  Others have objected to the potential injury factor, such as when some of those FCS (formerly D-IAA) schools have players that are much larger, faster, etc.  Franklin held their own against Butler this year and in recent years so did Albion on some occasions.

Personally, I don't have any problem with it because I believe it is a great experience and opportunity for our DIII players to play an upper division team like that i.e. the semi-big-time if you will, but also because I've always believed it made you better over time if you played them on a consistent basis- back in my day (and, well, even today) some schools play an occasional DII school as well.  Anyway, since the Pioneer League champion, which certainly could still be Butler (they have an outside chance still), gets an automatic bid to the FCS playoffs, I think in a small sense, that is kind of neat that a team such as Franklin could say we played them and..just what if they had beaten them? ;D :o ;)  Just curious as to your further thoughts.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 05, 2013, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
Friends:
I have a question for you die-hards here.  I know many of us have discussed some of this in general in the past here and on the other boards, however, just wanted to know about any of your updated opinions.  What do you think about DIII schools playing an occasional FCS school, regardless of scholarship or the non-scholarship Pioneer League schools, such as Franklin has (and others such as some of our MIAA schools, Albion, Hope in the past have periodically) for one of their non-conference games?  I realize that some people do not favor or like that, in part, because those do not really count as towards SOS for the DIII playoffs.  Others have objected to the potential injury factor, such as when some of those FCS (formerly D-IAA) schools have players that are much larger, faster, etc.  Franklin held their own against Butler this year and in recent years so did Albion on some occasions.

Personally, I don't have any problem with it because I believe it is a great experience and opportunity for our DIII players to play an upper division team like that i.e. the semi-big-time if you will, but also because I've always believed it made you better over time if you played them on a consistent basis- back in my day (and, well, even today) some schools play an occasional DII school as well.  Anyway, since the Pioneer League champion, which certainly could still be Butler (they have an outside chance still), gets an automatic bid to the FCS playoffs, I think in a small sense, that is kind of neat that a team such as Franklin could say we played them and..just what if they had beaten them? ;D :o ;)  Just curious as to your further thoughts.  Thanks.

I think it depends on the school, strength of conference, and if the team is a perenial playoff caliber team.  For example: Wabash probably would shy away due to the fact that they have a near equal team in Wittenberg in their conference.  If they were to lose to a team as strong as Butler is today (likely) then a loss to Witt would put them in danger of not making the playoff.  While the non D3 technically doesnt count, the loss could be used to help differentiate between a 9-1 and an 8-2 (even if quality loss).  Wabash and Witt have to be careful to schedule themselves to a likely 1 loss or better season.  Franklin on the other hand has no peer in conference thus will make the playoffs on a normal year.  Thus a Butler while still not an official game can be a barometer for comparison to other teams, plus Franklin strives to play better competiition to guage themselves for the playoffs.  CCIW/OAC schools are in the same boat as NCAC IMO.  That said, I would like to see the top 1-2 schools try to schedule Franklin early.  Good comparison come seeding.  I can see why some school would shy away.  Franklin has nothing to lose except seeding, others may be left out if they lose to Franklin and a game in conference.  UMU, Whitewater have no issue with scheduling Franklin as it helps their case by playing better competition early.  My two cents.  I hear the noise about only 1 game OOC etc but my gut tells me the Witts/Bash/Wheaton/IWU etc probably dont want to risk their playoff chances by playing Franklin. When Franklin wasnt as good, it didnt seem to be a problem finding early season games.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 05, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
Friends:
I have a question for you die-hards here.  I know many of us have discussed some of this in general in the past here and on the other boards, however, just wanted to know about any of your updated opinions.  What do you think about DIII schools playing an occasional FCS school, regardless of scholarship or the non-scholarship Pioneer League schools, such as Franklin has (and others such as some of our MIAA schools, Albion, Hope in the past have periodically) for one of their non-conference games?  I realize that some people do not favor or like that, in part, because those do not really count as towards SOS for the DIII playoffs.  Others have objected to the potential injury factor, such as when some of those FCS (formerly D-IAA) schools have players that are much larger, faster, etc.  Franklin held their own against Butler this year and in recent years so did Albion on some occasions.

Personally, I don't have any problem with it because I believe it is a great experience and opportunity for our DIII players to play an upper division team like that i.e. the semi-big-time if you will, but also because I've always believed it made you better over time if you played them on a consistent basis- back in my day (and, well, even today) some schools play an occasional DII school as well.  Anyway, since the Pioneer League champion, which certainly could still be Butler (they have an outside chance still), gets an automatic bid to the FCS playoffs, I think in a small sense, that is kind of neat that a team such as Franklin could say we played them and..just what if they had beaten them? ;D :o ;)  Just curious as to your further thoughts.  Thanks.

I am not a fan, as I am not a fan of the BCS schools scheduling FCS games.  I would like to see better scheduling opportunities for DIII schools inside DIII by schools willing to travel further to play better DIII competition (i.e. Linfield).  DIII schools are gaining a lot of money by having a football program.  Each student/athlete is paying a hefty tuition and with schools having anywhere from 50-200 guys on a roster that is a lot of money for the college, which in return should allow them to shell out some more money for travel expenses.  This in return would allow teams to play different types of competition inside the dIII spectrum.
Also, I would like to see even a dIV for schools that seem to having losing records for 10+years.  They are failing to make the grade with dIII schools, so if you round them up and put them in with teams in equal standing, this would improve their quality of football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 05, 2013, 05:50:25 PM
Well said DC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 06:18:21 PM
Legitimate points and interesting thoughts, all.  I guess it basically comes down to what each school's coaching staff and athletic administrators wants to do as Griz_Backer mentioned.  I see the pros/cons either way as you all have well pointed out.  But in the end, I really don't have a problem with the FBS's scheduling FCS's as it simply is a very exciting happening when one of those schools knocks off one of the super-powers, like when Appalachian State beat Michigan and/or when Central Michigan beat Michigan State twice in recent years.

It just reminds me of when Purdue's then Head Coach Joe T. complained after Toledo upset them about 10 years ago (or so, I can't quite recall the exact # of years but it was around then) and said they shouldn't be playing those type of teams (MAC's or mid-majors) because they (Purdue) were so much better.  I had to laugh because that simply was ludicrous in the sense that if they were so much better, then they should absolutely beat a Toledo every time.  I believe he was actually referring to the premise that it hurts a school like Purdue in the ratings for bowls in losing such type of games, but, my point is, again, if they think they are so good, then beat them anyway (of course, in recent years, that doesn't apply to Purdue, unfortunately, for them).  Yet, I still think it is a great experience when the small guys get the opportunity to play against the big guys and sometimes, just sometimes knock the latter off, regardless of what level (FCS, DII or DIII).  Just my own personal take, although again, many of you have the opposite opinion from me.  Anyway, thanks for your replies - excellent and, again, interesting and valid.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on November 05, 2013, 10:00:41 PM
dc--and others: I've written this on other Boards, so I'll way a version of it here.  Your comment about the tuition football players pay and what you would like to see reflects pretty common thinking from fans.  You say that "in return" the football team should be given the extra money to travel farther away to meet better, often better,  competition.  This all sounds good.  I can tell you from my experience on DIII campuses that this is not the way it works.  The football team is given a budget by the institution.  That budget generally does not include the monies you refer to no matter how much tuition money the student-athletes pay.  Tuition does not even cover the full coast of education at most places, and football players, like many other students, are often heavily discounted in merit-aid (sometimes academic aid as well).  It's not like there's this extra money to be spent on football travel all the time.
     Yes, we see teams crossing regions to play, usually because that is where they can find games.  On the whole, they would rather be playing closer to home in almost all cases.  Of course, there are no universals, but that travel is usually "forced" upon them--see the teams in the west regions who have to go from Texas, etc. to the Northwest and from the Northwest to various places.  Even some north teams go west occasionally. 
     College just don't think the way you are suggesting, and probably will not, particularly in a time when campus budgets are tight on both the academic and athletics side of the house.
     On DIV, I've given this a great deal of thought and was involved in campus conversations when the DIV idea tried to be seriously floated in the last decade.   Taking the almost-always-big-losing schools and "rounding them up," in effect forcing them to a different, lower division is untenable.  You would destroy some traditional rivalries, try to create mega-conferences consisting of the "cream of the crop," and in the process doom some of the better, but not great, teams to almost certain mediocracy.   All the thinking that has gone in to creating MOST of the conferences would be tossed away.  Conferences are usually made up of like-minded schools (within a not too huge geographical area, most of the time) that agree to compete v. one another.  Not to go on too long, football is only one among many reasons why conferences exist.  I suppose you could try to say that football would be differently affiliated.  I can guarantee you that outside a very limited number of schools, the administrations at DIII schools are just as interested in what is happening in men's and women's basketball,  etc. etc.
     In the NCAC, for example, there are several schools that seem always to struggle with their football programs trying to reach .500, or even winning a few games each year.   But some of these schools are highly competitive in other sports for both men and women:  soccer, basketball, field hockey, tennis, swimming, track and field, golf, baseball, lacrosse--where the NCAC has produced national champions and/or consistently nationally competitive teams.  Football is not King--and doesn't count more than any other sport when awarding the conference sports trophies.     Well, that's the best I can do with this.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 06, 2013, 01:28:01 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.

Very cool video, btw. That's an awesome thing going on at Franklin.

Thanks.  Thomas More stll have a shot at playoffs?

They have to win out. If W&J loses then they are in as auto qualifier.  If W&J wins out and they win out, they should be the 1st Pool C team to go out of the South a Region.



Are the Pool C spots Region specific?  I thought the Pool C spots are awarded on a national basis.  The Saints may not earn a Pool C bid if they win out.  I can see bids being gobbled up by a west coast team, loser of Wabash/Wittenberg, OAC and WIAC teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
They are awarded on a national basis. I think SaintsFAN means Thomas More would be first on the board from the region. Though that is not a guarantee of selection, it at least guarantees you get discussed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
They are awarded on a national basis. I think SaintsFAN means Thomas More would be first on the board from the region. Though that is not a guarantee of selection, it at least guarantees you get discussed.

Thanks Pat. That's exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Thunder44 on November 05, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 04, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/75727059

Check out the video above related the to FC Touchdown Club.  Very well done.

Very cool video, btw. That's an awesome thing going on at Franklin.

Thanks.  Thomas More stll have a shot at playoffs?

They have to win out. If W&J loses then they are in as auto qualifier.  If W&J wins out and they win out, they should be the 1st Pool C team to go out of the South a Region.

They need to make a statement in The Bridge Bowl, IMO to remove doubt. It would be a shame if they missed. This team is good but a very young one. They just broke the record of shutouts in a season with 4 (my freshman year 95 team had the record with three). Anytime you are mentioned with that team, you're doing something right. Plus they have probably a first team AA at RB in Hayden. We'll see, I guess.

I was beginning to think that this year's edition of the Bridge Bowl would be an interesting matchup, with MSJ being closer than the 71-3 fiasco of last year (or the year previous, I can't remember).  Then they got shut out by Rose Hulman 34 - 0, and I really don't know what to expect.  Would not be surprised to see them make a game of it, or for the Saints to completely roll over them, knowing the implications for the post season ride on the effort.

This week's game against Earlham won't be too much of a gauge, so I guess we will know in about a week and a half.

That was last year. TM was 6-3 coming into the game and thus, it was their playoff game. Much has been made of the D1 transfers currently residing in Delhi, so I think we'll see a more than confident MSJ team coming into this game. More importantly, MSJ plays at home this year so they have zero chance of making TM players mad from dancing on the Saints logo at the 50 yard line, as they did last year.  I also think MSJ will keep their players from talking smack on twitter about "owning Cincy" this year and it will result in the normal Bridge Bowl emotions.

MSJ is more talented this year and it should be a better game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 07, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!

Totally agree!!   >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2013, 02:09:05 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 07, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!

Totally agree!!   >:(
Because all the teams in front of them either are undefeated, or have one loss in region but a stronger SOS (Ill. Wes. 101/Franklin 157).  Franklin should be happy they were not slotted at sixth behind Wheaton who's SOS is 65, but their only loss is to Ill. Wes., which is why I believe Franklin is ahead because their one loss is to an undefeated Mount Union. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 07, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2013, 02:09:05 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 07, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!

Totally agree!!   >:(
Because all the teams in front of them either are undefeated, or have one loss in region but a stronger SOS (Ill. Wes. 101/Franklin 157).  Franklin should be happy they were not slotted at sixth behind Wheaton who's SOS is 65, but their only loss is to Ill. Wes., which is why I believe Franklin is ahead because their one loss is to an undefeated Mount Union.

Franklin may end up ok.  If Mount goes East (not unlikely) then NCC will prob get the 1.  If Franklin stays in the North then it really doesnt matter the seed (other than a home game would be nice).  Franklin could end up at home in the South (MHB) and host a game (not good).  Hard to say.  Franklin has created their own conundrum.  They like several teams in the North already do could schedule themselves to 10-0 (or 9-1 at worst) and get a better seed. It is what it is.  The seeding is primarily a math problem and subjective reasoning comes into play to break the ties.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2013, 02:31:45 PM
Let's not forget that Witt or Wabash and Mount or John Carrol will gain at least one loss due to playing each other as well.  Plus, North Central and Wheaton have to play each other too.  A lot can happen over the next few weeks in the North. 
I also agree with you Griz, if Mount or North Central go undefeated one will probably move out of region. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2013, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 07, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!

Totally agree!!   >:(

I don't. You're in a very loaded Region and crappy conference. Franklin will no doubt make some people nervous in the draw.  That's the breaks..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2013, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 07, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!

Totally agree!!   >:(
Because it's a ranking not a poll. While one could argue that Franklin is say the second or third best team in the North, the rankings are pretty accurate. The good news is that #3 Wabash and #4 Witt still play, #1 Mount Union and #5 John Carroll as well. If things play out as planned, Franklin could climb up a couple spots by the end, Mount could be shipped to the east region, and Franklin could host a 4/5 matchup. If they seeded all 32 teams based solely on merit and not on location then I could see Franklin maybe getting up to a 3, but it is what it is. The north (and west) is loaded this season and that means even though Franklin is great, there's a lot of other great teams around them to keep them held back.
What's important is that Franklin will have the opportunity to win 5 games just like 31 other teams. If Franklin is going to be a champion they're going to have to get through top teams like Mount Union or Mary Hardin-Baylor at some point anyways. Remember, Whitewater was a 5 seed in 2008 and lost the Stagg Bowl by 5 points
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2013, 10:25:30 PMThe north (and west) is loaded this season and that means even though Franklin is great, there's a lot of other great teams around them to keep them held back.
What's important is that Franklin will have the opportunity to win 5 games just like 31 other teams. If Franklin is going to be a champion they're going to have to get through top teams like Mount Union or Mary Hardin-Baylor at some point anyways. Remember, Whitewater was a 5 seed in 2008 and lost the Stagg Bowl by 5 points

Well said
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 07, 2013, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 07, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: TailgaitingFool on November 07, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell me how Franklin landed 7th in the regional rankings? I understand FC is a 2 loss team, but those 2 losses came by a combined 6 points.

One of the losses coming to the #1 team in the country/region @ Mt. Union, who has ROLLED everyone with the exception of Heidelberg, and the other to a FCS school in Butler. It should also be noted that Butler beat Wittenberg, a higher ranked team in the region, by 25 points.

Doesn't make much sense to me. I think its pretty clear that FC has been dominant in all of their wins and is on par with the elite team in the country/region. If they don't get at least 1 home playoff game, the regional ranking and selection process is a JOKE!!!!!

Totally agree!!   >:(

Griz, Pat always says something to the tune of, it's NOT who you've lost to.  It IS who you've beaten.  I think that plays a role in this seeding.  I wouldn't sweat it.  As another poster commented, JC has to play Heidelberg and Mount.  Witt has to play Wabash.  Wheaton has to play North Central.  a lot will shake out this weekend.  When FC wins out, they will land between 3 and 5 depending on their region and who else is drawn into the same field.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 08, 2013, 07:57:23 AM
I am just hoping that Franklin gets their top two WRs, Cole & Hession (Linville is a WB), back in time for the Victory Bell game and the playoffs.  Hession was hurt prior to Rose game but played briefly and Cole was hurt against Rose.  Neither played against Defiance and neither are listed in the two-deep for Bluffton.  Those two really open up the field for West and Linville.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 09, 2013, 04:08:57 PM
Bluffton 24 Franklin 17 Final    Beavers with huge upset. Wow! Franklin 4 turnovers Bluffton 0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
Close games with Mount Union and Butler are exciting... a close game against Bluffton is not fun at all. Seems like most top teams have a tough game in conference somewhere... this seems to be Franklin's stumble... hopefully it's just a small stumble and not falling flat on their face.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
Close games with Mount Union and Butler are exciting... a close game against Bluffton is not fun at all. Seems like most top teams have a tough game in conference somewhere... this seems to be Franklin's stumble... hopefully it's just a small stumble and not falling flat on their face.

Talk about regional rankings, home games and seedings just went out the door.  The GRIZ will be packing their bags (assuming they can get by Hanover) for the playoffs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
Close games with Mount Union and Butler are exciting... a close game against Bluffton is not fun at all. Seems like most top teams have a tough game in conference somewhere... this seems to be Franklin's stumble... hopefully it's just a small stumble and not falling flat on their face.

Talk about regional rankings, home games and seedings just went out the door.  The GRIZ will be packing their bags (assuming they can get by Hanover) for the playoffs

Crazy - would be curious to see what caused the turnovers, which looks like the story of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
GRIZ have NOT clinched - lost at Bluffton today!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 04:30:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
GRIZ have NOT clinched - lost at Bluffton today!

Congrats to the Beavers.  Big win for them.  FC gets what they deserve with 4 turnovers and the 4th down try at the 10.  This is why we play the games. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
GRIZ are in trouble!  Linville banged up, Pasquale out, Cole out & Hession out!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2013, 04:47:25 PM
wow - welcome to the 21st Century, Bluffton College. Turns out there IS life after Tyson Goings, after all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
Winner of the HCAC now has a long road trip, likely to NC or a Purple Power, in week one!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
Winner of the HCAC now has a long road trip, likely to NC or a Purple Power, in week one!

I enjoy a road trip.  Regardless of the seed/spread we always have a great time and enjoy the journey.  There are worse places than Naperville. And we know a few watering holes near Alliance and Whitewater as well. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2013, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
Winner of the HCAC now has a long road trip, likely to NC or a Purple Power, in week one!

I enjoy a road trip.  Regardless of the seed/spread we always have a great time and enjoy the journey.  There are worse places than Naperville. And we know a few watering holes near Alliance and Whitewater as well.

I may make the trip to Alliance to see that, but I doubt the NCAA will schedule a rematch when they can send Franklin to Whitewater or North Central.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2013, 08:00:31 PM
Still baffled by Franklin's loss today.  I do not see them having anything but an eight seed going into the playoffs now.  Too bad they let that slip away because there was a great opportunity to move up as we mentioned in the regional rankings.  Several of the teams ahead of them were going to drop because of head to head play and now, not so much.  Anyway, hopefully this is just a sign of the conference getting better for the future.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 09, 2013, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2013, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
Winner of the HCAC now has a long road trip, likely to NC or a Purple Power, in week one!

I enjoy a road trip.  Regardless of the seed/spread we always have a great time and enjoy the journey.  There are worse places than Naperville. And we know a few watering holes near Alliance and Whitewater as well.

I may make the trip to Alliance to see that, but I doubt the NCAA will schedule a rematch when they can send Franklin to Whitewater or North Central.
I still think that a 7-3 Griz gets ranked ahead of Wisconsin Concordia, and IMO is a better team than an 8-2 Hope or Albion.  At this point, I wouldn't rule out a 6 or 7 seed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 10, 2013, 01:51:51 AM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on November 09, 2013, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2013, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 09, 2013, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 09, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
Winner of the HCAC now has a long road trip, likely to NC or a Purple Power, in week one!

I enjoy a road trip.  Regardless of the seed/spread we always have a great time and enjoy the journey.  There are worse places than Naperville. And we know a few watering holes near Alliance and Whitewater as well.

I may make the trip to Alliance to see that, but I doubt the NCAA will schedule a rematch when they can send Franklin to Whitewater or North Central.
I still think that a 7-3 Griz gets ranked ahead of Wisconsin Concordia, and IMO is a better team than an 8-2 Hope or Albion.  At this point, I wouldn't rule out a 6 or 7 seed.

I think so to on the CUW point. NACC didn't do to well in the non-conference play (Not including everyone beating up on former NACC team Maranatha) this year. I think Franklin's close performance against Mount in week one may tip the seeding in their favor if it came down to it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on November 10, 2013, 08:14:47 PM
Looks like Otterbein is close to reaching their fundraising goal for artificial turf and Oberlin has surpassed their athletic facilities goals within their capital campaign (artificial turf is one of the priorities) leaving Bluffton as the only college team in Ohio who will be playing on natural grass in 2014 (I think). After their win yesterday maybe the Beavers will choose to stay with grass, although I bet the pressure to put in turf will continue to increase.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2013, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: BUBeaverFan on November 10, 2013, 08:14:47 PM
Looks like Otterbein is close to reaching their fundraising goal for artificial turf and Oberlin has surpassed their athletic facilities goals within their capital campaign (artificial turf is one of the priorities) leaving Bluffton as the only college team in Ohio who will be playing on natural grass in 2014 (I think). After their win yesterday maybe the Beavers will choose to stay with grass, although I bet the pressure to put in turf will continue to increase.

Now we know why the GRIZ turned the ball over 4 times it was the turf!!  LOL   ;D

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 11, 2013, 07:52:54 AM
The radio guys stated that Coach Leonard made a mistake by practicing on the turf at Faught Stadium all week.  They said that the team should have practiced on the worst grass on campus since the worst grass on FC's campus is in much better shape than the grass at Bluffton's Salzman Stadium.   :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 11, 2013, 07:54:33 AM
By far the biggest issue for the GRIZ are injuries to Cole and Hession.  The young back-up receivers really need to step up!  Way too much pressure on Linville to make plays.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
Sad news for the HCAC community, especially MSJ:

QuoteTwo students at the Mount were killed last night at about 6:30 p.m. in a two car accident in Delhi.  One is football player Michael Tepe and the other is a former player named Tyler Stiles.   Here is the news story for you to watch/read. (http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fatal-accident-west-price-hill-4597.shtml)

This was distributed from the HCAC office; I received it as Bluffton's FAR.  (Since it has been on the news, there should be no confidentiality issues.)  Keep MSJ in your prayers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 11, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
Sad news for the HCAC community, especially MSJ:

QuoteTwo students at the Mount were killed last night at about 6:30 p.m. in a two car accident in Delhi.  One is football player Michael Tepe and the other is a former player named Tyler Stiles.   Here is the news story for you to watch/read. (http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fatal-accident-west-price-hill-4597.shtml)

This was distributed from the HCAC office; I received it as Bluffton's FAR.  (Since it has been on the news, there should be no confidentiality issues.)  Keep MSJ in your prayers.

Devastating news for MSJ.  I previously lived and coached in Springboro so the Tepe death hits very close to home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2013, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 11, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
Sad news for the HCAC community, especially MSJ:

QuoteTwo students at the Mount were killed last night at about 6:30 p.m. in a two car accident in Delhi.  One is football player Michael Tepe and the other is a former player named Tyler Stiles.   Here is the news story for you to watch/read. (http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fatal-accident-west-price-hill-4597.shtml)

This was distributed from the HCAC office; I received it as Bluffton's FAR.  (Since it has been on the news, there should be no confidentiality issues.)  Keep MSJ in your prayers.

Devastating news for MSJ.  I previously lived and coached in Springboro so the Tepe death hits very close to home.

Very, very sad story in Delhi.  I don't know the circumstances and I don't care - losing two young men so early in their lives puts things in a perspective that we don't usually look at.  RIP to Mike and Tyler and prayers to their family and the community at MSJ. 

Obviously this hits really close to home for Coach Huber.  I know Coach Huber and he is a good man.  Prayers to his family as well as it seems old wounds may be reopened. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2013, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 11, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
Sad news for the HCAC community, especially MSJ:

QuoteTwo students at the Mount were killed last night at about 6:30 p.m. in a two car accident in Delhi.  One is football player Michael Tepe and the other is a former player named Tyler Stiles.   Here is the news story for you to watch/read. (http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fatal-accident-west-price-hill-4597.shtml)

This was distributed from the HCAC office; I received it as Bluffton's FAR.  (Since it has been on the news, there should be no confidentiality issues.)  Keep MSJ in your prayers.

Devastating news for MSJ.  I previously lived and coached in Springboro so the Tepe death hits very close to home.

Very, very sad story in Delhi.  I don't know the circumstances and I don't care - losing two young men so early in their lives puts things in a perspective that we don't usually look at.  RIP to Mike and Tyler and prayers to their family and the community at MSJ. 

Obviously this hits really close to home for Coach Huber.  I know Coach Huber and he is a good man.  Prayers to his family as well as it seems old wounds may be reopened.

Indeed, a very sad story- what a shame.  My prayers to the families of the two young men and the MSJ community and also for the husband/wife who survived the accident.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 11, 2013, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2013, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 11, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
Sad news for the HCAC community, especially MSJ:

QuoteTwo students at the Mount were killed last night at about 6:30 p.m. in a two car accident in Delhi.  One is football player Michael Tepe and the other is a former player named Tyler Stiles.   Here is the news story for you to watch/read. (http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fatal-accident-west-price-hill-4597.shtml)

This was distributed from the HCAC office; I received it as Bluffton's FAR.  (Since it has been on the news, there should be no confidentiality issues.)  Keep MSJ in your prayers.

Devastating news for MSJ.  I previously lived and coached in Springboro so the Tepe death hits very close to home.

Very, very sad story in Delhi.  I don't know the circumstances and I don't care - losing two young men so early in their lives puts things in a perspective that we don't usually look at.  RIP to Mike and Tyler and prayers to their family and the community at MSJ. 

Obviously this hits really close to home for Coach Huber.  I know Coach Huber and he is a good man.  Prayers to his family as well as it seems old wounds may be reopened.

Indeed, a very sad story- what a shame.  My prayers to the families of the two young men and the MSJ community and also for the husband/wife who survived the accident.
There's something about the last week of the football season and deadly incidents in the HCAC. Last year the Rose-Earlham game was cancelled when 3 Earlham students were hit by a train, now this year we have this news. :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 12, 2013, 09:02:37 AM
Very sad news to hear and very unfortunate.  This happens too often and wish all the families involved (MSJ family as well) all the best during this dark time.  Hopefully everyone is getting the proper support to get through this hard time.  A very big mistake I made when I lost a teammate during the season was to put a wall up and to not allow anyone to help me with my grief.  I only wish I was more open and got the proper support to help me during that time. 
Again, this is very sad news and hope that we all take a moment to think about all the blessings we have and cherish the ones around us. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 12, 2013, 09:25:14 AM
Thank you everyone on behalf of MSJ. We appreciate your thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
Big day tomorrow... final games of the season... lots of trophies on the line... Victory Bell... Border Sword... Bronze Ball... Bridge Bowl... just need Bluffton-Defiance to have something.
Good luck to everyone (well, maybe not Hanover ;))
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2013, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
just need Bluffton-Defiance to have something.

How about "The Battle for The Toilet" ?? You could make it bronze.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2013, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
Big day tomorrow... final games of the season... lots of trophies on the line... Victory Bell... Border Sword... Bronze Ball... Bridge Bowl... just need Bluffton-Defiance to have something.
Good luck to everyone (well, maybe not Hanover ;))
Bluffton/Defiance is "the Battle for the Hammer."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2013, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
just need Bluffton-Defiance to have something.

How about "The Battle for The Toilet" ?? You could make it bronze.
Hilarious SaintsFAN!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
I am actually going to take offense to, "The Battle for the Toilet" comment, as I take great pride in being a Defiance College Alum and former player for the Yellow Jackets 1997-2000.  Good luck to both teams on their 89th meeting and Go Jackets!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
dc_has_been:

My apologies for joining in on that.  I know SaintsFAN and I'm sure he meant no disrespect.  We've all engaged in some juvenile humor like that around these boards from time to time and I admit I am guilty of joining in on the "chuckle" of that comment/moment, yet I don't think that anyone really intends it in a vindictive manner.  At the same time, I would also admit that I would be joking a bit in the same way were it my Hope playing in the same situation, again, no disrespect meant towards my own alma mater.  That said, it does not mean that these types of games are not important to not only alumni/former players like you, me, SaintsFAN and others, but certainly for the current players on each team.  They go out there and give their "all" whether it's for the championship or that last game of the season that might sometimes determine who is "in the cellar" for the year.  I know you take great pride in your former school and team as do I, SaintsFAN and many others of our colleagues and friends here for our own alma maters.  So, again, my apologies for the "chuckle", my friend,  and best wishes to both teams today.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: aueagle on November 16, 2013, 11:31:49 AM
Good luck to formerd3db and his team today....I wish you and the team the best....Go Hope!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
dc_has_been:

My apologies for joining in on that.  I know SaintsFAN and I'm sure he meant no disrespect.  We've all engaged in some juvenile humor like that around these boards from time to time and I admit I am guilty of joining in on the "chuckle" of that comment/moment, yet I don't think that anyone really intends it in a vindictive manner.  At the same time, I would also admit that I would be joking a bit in the same way were it my Hope playing in the same situation, again, no disrespect meant towards my own alma mater.  That said, it does not mean that these types of games are not important to not only alumni/former players like you, me, SaintsFAN and others, but certainly for the current players on each team.  They go out there and give their "all" whether it's for the championship or that last game of the season that might sometimes determine who is "in the cellar" for the year.  I know you take great pride in your former school and team as do I, SaintsFAN and many others of our colleagues and friends here for our own alma maters.  So, again, my apologies for the "chuckle", my friend,  and best wishes to both teams today.

No worries former, I understand the name of the game, but this one I wanted to stick up for.  I also am full aware of SaintFan's humor as him and I have spoken many times outside of d3boards and have ridiculed our schools on many occasions. 
I believe it may just be my own frustrations coming out, but still have great pride and also am very optimistic with where DC is headed in the next few years.

All the best!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 01:48:47 PM


No worries former, I understand the name of the game, but this one I wanted to stick up for.  I also am full aware of SaintFan's humor as him and I have spoken many times outside of d3boards and have ridiculed our schools on many occasions. 


This.

You know I have respect for our battles back in the day. And I should choose to remember our rivalry that way.

BTW - wait til you read what I have to say about the end of the Bridge Bowl rivalry game. It's not pretty, much like the games the past two years. Unless you're a TMC alum or player, that is. The rumors about this game being the last one swirled today.

With Franklin scheduling Whitewater, Wabash and Mount Union in recent years - they should leave the HCAC because I'm not sure teams in the conference will think its fair they how they continue to WIN league titles.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
I am actually going to take offense to, "The Battle for the Toilet" comment, as I take great pride in being a Defiance College Alum and former player for the Yellow Jackets 1997-2000.  Good luck to both teams on their 89th meeting and Go Jackets!!!

Haha TMC and MSJ already play for it. Doesn't that clay pot they play for look like something a homeless guy in iver the Rhine would deuce in!

FYI Michigan offense is garbage
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2013, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
I am actually going to take offense to, "The Battle for the Toilet" comment, as I take great pride in being a Defiance College Alum and former player for the Yellow Jackets 1997-2000.  Good luck to both teams on their 89th meeting and Go Jackets!!!

Haha TMC and MSJ already play for it. Doesn't that clay pot they play for look like something a homeless guy in iver the Rhine would deuce in!

FYI Michigan offense is garbage

That pot has been retired. As soon as MSJ won a couple they had a student redesign it. The new one has been in KY for 6 years and if this is the last meeting, permanently where it belongs. Tradition doesn't graduate!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 16, 2013, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
I am actually going to take offense to, "The Battle for the Toilet" comment, as I take great pride in being a Defiance College Alum and former player for the Yellow Jackets 1997-2000.  Good luck to both teams on their 89th meeting and Go Jackets!!!

Haha TMC and MSJ already play for it. Doesn't that clay pot they play for look like something a homeless guy in iver the Rhine would deuce in!

FYI Michigan offense is garbage

Truth regarding Michigan - Harmon rolling in his grave (this from a lifetime UM fan  :()

As to SaintFan's suggestion, uh - perhaps a stainless steel composter instead to comply with the green weinie push by the Pres and deconstructed science department (wifey's observation - DC'74).  "Easily hosed down/out right outside either stadium, post game, and good for the environs."  ;D  What can be said, ONU and Findlay were the DC rival games back in the dark ages, and Bluffton games were just that.  What's with all the offense and no points (to speak of)?  I was preoccupied so couldn't tune in... cheers, Y'all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2013, 09:41:49 AM
If the Bridge Bowl rivalry between MSJ and Thomas More is being cancelled permanently, that is, indeed, a shame.  I personally can't understand that kind of rationale. Season ending finals like that are so great (such as the famed Monon Bell and the Ithaca/Cortland State clash and like yesterday's Hope/Albion clash - when the latter does get played on the last regular season Saturday).  It will be too bad if they drop it.  Just MO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3gab on November 17, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
Not trying to start any rumors. But curious if anyone had heard of any coaching changes coming? Tis that time of the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
I'm shocked... Franklin is at home in the first round? I didn't think there was a chance of that happening. Hopefully we take care of WashU so we can head up to Whitewater again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: D3gab on November 17, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
Not trying to start any rumors. But curious if anyone had heard of any coaching changes coming? Tis that time of the year.

Why don't you tell us? You signed up to post this, so you must know something.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 17, 2013, 11:12:13 PM
Who would have thought the GRIZ would be hosting a playoff game this year?!!  Particularing after the tough loss to the Bluffton Beavers.  Washington U will be a good test.  Played UWW tough just like the GRIZ played UMU and Butler tough.  Should be a fun game against a quality opponent.  If we can win, we get to see our old friends in Whitewater the next weekend.  Nothing like the possibility of playing both the Purple Powers in one season.  And a heck of a lot closer than Waco TX.  First things first though.  Good luck this weekend and GO GRIZ!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 18, 2013, 07:58:00 AM
I am also shocked by the home game.  I was ready to travel to Naperville or Whitewater.  Maybe it is all about money.  FC's home attendance average (3635) is one of the highest of any playoff team!  GO GRIZ!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2013, 09:32:16 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 18, 2013, 07:58:00 AM
I am also shocked by the home game.  I was ready to travel to Naperville or Whitewater.  Maybe it is all about money.  FC's home attendance average (3635) is one of the highest of any playoff team!  GO GRIZ!

That has nothing to do with, I bet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3gab on November 18, 2013, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: D3gab on November 17, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
Not trying to start any rumors. But curious if anyone had heard of any coaching changes coming? Tis that time of the year.

Why don't you tell us? You signed up to post this, so you must know something.

Far from it.  I have zero info.  And yes I'm new here. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2013, 03:08:22 PM
Bluffton football player Andrew Donnellon is one of ABC/Good Morning America's "Overcomers": story and video (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/overcomers-gma-profiles-3-people-triumphed-over-adversity-140041084--abc-news-topstories.html)  (Andrew is the second of the three profiles in the story).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2013, 03:09:07 PM
And also -- Good luck this weekend, Franklin.  The HCAC is pulling for you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2013, 04:19:32 PM
in reading the score predictions on the front page, I think Pat is closest to the amount of points Washington U will score tomorrow with 14.  I don't see how they score more than that against Franklin and their defense.  And I believe West will be the difference on the other side of the ball (I know I'm going out on a limb here).  IF Franklin holds onto the ball, they will win. 

I think they have put the debacle at Bluffton behind them -- I still can't fathom how that happened.

Franklin 31-13 (a TD and two FGs for Wash U)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 22, 2013, 04:43:43 PM
Re: WashU-Franklin, I agree, I was very surprised how many points they projected for WashU.  I do think this will be a competitive game but it will be low-scoring.  WashU has an excellent defense and, even against the stellar Franklin offense, might be able to keep this competitive.  I would expect something more like 17-13 either way.  If one team gets over 20, it will be Franklin, and WashU will lose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2013, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2013, 04:19:32 PM
in reading the score predictions on the front page, I think Pat is closest to the amount of points Washington U will score tomorrow with 14.  I don't see how they score more than that against Franklin and their defense.  And I believe West will be the difference on the other side of the ball (I know I'm going out on a limb here).  IF Franklin holds onto the ball, they will win. 

I think they have put the debacle at Bluffton behind them -- I still can't fathom how that happened.

Franklin 31-13 (a TD and two FGs for Wash U)

I think you are right.  Also, in regards to the Bluffton loss (obviously great win and accomplishment for them and a brief set-back to Franklin) that is essentially like any upset that happens at any level i.e. Appalachian State vs. Michigan, etc.  On a lesser example, I remember one time also in our MIAA several years ago when Alma was top team and got pulverized by Hope.  No way that should have happened, but, it was just one of those days when everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
Assuming Franklin can hold on to the ball better than they did against Bluffton they should win, but I think it could be tighter than hoped. Of course last year we thought that Franklin-Adrian would be a tight game and that turned out 42-10
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2013, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
Assuming Franklin can hold on to the ball better than they did against Bluffton they should win, but I think it could be tighter than hoped. Of course last year we thought that Franklin-Adrian would be a tight game and that turned out 42-10

Good point.  Indeed, sometimes some of the playoff games are just simply hard to predict.  Good luck to Franklin tomorrow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2013, 12:39:37 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
Assuming Franklin can hold on to the ball better than they did against Bluffton they should win, but I think it could be tighter than hoped. Of course last year we thought that Franklin-Adrian would be a tight game and that turned out 42-10

I never thought Adrian would make that one a game. We'll see about tomorrow, but I feel a 3 TD spread is just about right.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2013, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2013, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2013, 04:19:32 PM
in reading the score predictions on the front page, I think Pat is closest to the amount of points Washington U will score tomorrow with 14.  I don't see how they score more than that against Franklin and their defense.  And I believe West will be the difference on the other side of the ball (I know I'm going out on a limb here).  IF Franklin holds onto the ball, they will win. 

I think they have put the debacle at Bluffton behind them -- I still can't fathom how that happened.

Franklin 31-13 (a TD and two FGs for Wash U)

I think you are right.  Also, in regards to the Bluffton loss (obviously great win and accomplishment for them and a brief set-back to Franklin) that is essentially like any upset that happens at any level i.e. Appalachian State vs. Michigan, etc.  On a lesser example, I remember one time also in our MIAA several years ago when Alma was top team and got pulverized by Hope.  No way that should have happened, but, it was just one of those days when everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong!

Thomas More had one of those games this year against W&J and that's why they are sitting at home. 3 returns for TD's was the story of the game.  At least Franklin's bad day didn't stop them from playing in the tourney!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2013, 02:33:47 PM
Franklin had better do something fairly quick; about 8 minutes left.  However, it is in reach, being only 3 points behind.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 23, 2013, 02:33:47 PM
Franklin had better do something fairly quick; about 8 minutes left.  However, it is in reach, being only 3 points behind.

Well, they DID.  Congratulations to Franklin for not giving up and doing what they had to do.  Reminds me somewhat of the Albion team back in 1994 as they went through each playoff game before eventually winning the Stagg Bowl that year.  Could Franklin be the "sleeper" this year? ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 23, 2013, 06:38:23 PM
Good comeback win for the GRIZ.  First close victory since we beat Thomas More two years ago.  Defense played great.  Offense had a poor game.  The receivers had at least 10 drops today!  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: voice on November 24, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
This coming Saturday's Franklin College at UW-Whitewater 2nd round playoff game is a really intriguing match-up.

UWW ranks No. 1 in the Nation in SCORING DEFENSE (7.9 pts/game) and No. 1 in TOTAL DEFENSE (217 yds/game)

Franklin College quarterback Jonny West leads the Nation in PASSING YARDS (3624 yds) and PASSING TDs (40)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 24, 2013, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 22, 2013, 04:43:43 PM
Re: WashU-Franklin, I agree, I was very surprised how many points they projected for WashU.  I do think this will be a competitive game but it will be low-scoring.  WashU has an excellent defense and, even against the stellar Franklin offense, might be able to keep this competitive.  I would expect something more like 17-13 either way.  If one team gets over 20, it will be Franklin, and WashU will lose.

Nice prediction. Very nice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crimsonace on November 24, 2013, 07:15:50 PM
Yesterday's game was about what I expected -- Washington U has an outstanding defense, does a lot of different things to disguise what they're doing. I really liked their LBs, especially Fade Oloukun. With the wind as strong as it was, it played into a defensive struggle. WashU played its game -- defend, play field position and try to get a turnover and be opportunistic. It nearly worked, but FC's offense began clicking late.

The West-to-Butler TD with :17 left was a thing of beauty, even if it wasn't caught by the intended receiver. Butler ran a post, went up & got it, splitting the safeties and getting to the goal line. I've been impressed with his play in the last few weeks of the year. With FC down a couple of receivers, it's opened up opportunities, and Kendal Butler especially has stepped up of late. I was expecting the Griz to try to get into FG range and have Wood put it through to end it.

Franklin defense was outstanding yesterday -- forced a lot of 3-and-outs, WashU really didn't get into much offensive rhythm, and Zach Corpe had one of the most impressive INTs I've seen, an athletic, lay-out, diving snare in one-on-one coverage that set up FC's first TD.

Going to be a tough one in Whitewater on Saturday, but I like this team a lot. It's a heck of an accomplishment to make the tourney four straight years, but a tremendous one to get to the Round of 16 three straight (and 4 times in 6 years).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
A nice video clip of Franklin's game winning play from last Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591110557622469
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 25, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
A nice video clip of Franklin's game winning play from last Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591110557622469

Thanks for sharing the clip.  What was the down and distance on that play?  It seems a bit odd the two safeties were at 8 yards deep.  Both of the seam routes beat the safeties. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 25, 2013, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: emma17 on November 25, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
A nice video clip of Franklin's game winning play from last Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591110557622469

Thanks for sharing the clip.  What was the down and distance on that play?  It seems a bit odd the two safeties were at 8 yards deep.  Both of the seam routes beat the safeties.
It was 2nd and 4 with 20 some seconds left and the score tied and I believe Grizzlies had a couple timeouts left. Franklin kicker Mike Wood had tied it about 4 minutes prior with a 36 yard FG.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 25, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 25, 2013, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: emma17 on November 25, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
A nice video clip of Franklin's game winning play from last Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591110557622469

Thanks for sharing the clip.  What was the down and distance on that play?  It seems a bit odd the two safeties were at 8 yards deep.  Both of the seam routes beat the safeties.
It was 2nd and 4 with 20 some seconds left and the score tied and I believe Grizzlies had a couple timeouts left. Franklin kicker Mike Wood had tied it about 4 minutes prior with a 36 yard FG.

So Wash U is probably thinking Franklin wants better field goal range and will throw short. 
Ouch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
appears to be the case.  At that point in the game both teams are trying to gamble strategy wise. The game was tied at that point so the worst that would happen is a missed FG with no clock and OT.  Johnny made the play and the rest is history.  Wash defense was most difficult of the year for FC (the weather also proved a factor.  very cold and windy).  Wind was cross field at 20 mph pretty much entire game.  FC defense was as stingy or more than Wash U to be honest.  Only gave up 73 yards rushing to a running style team. Had the weather been warm and wind not a factor FC would more likely have won by a larger margin. (just my opinion).  doesnt matter now.  onward to the frigid confines of the Perk.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 25, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
appears to be the case.  At that point in the game both teams are trying to gamble strategy wise. The game was tied at that point so the worst that would happen is a missed FG with no clock and OT.  Johnny made the play and the rest is history.  Wash defense was most difficult of the year for FC (the weather also proved a factor.  very cold and windy).  Wind was cross field at 20 mph pretty much entire game.  FC defense was as stingy or more than Wash U to be honest.  Only gave up 73 yards rushing to a running style team. Had the weather been warm and wind not a factor FC would more likely have won by a larger margin. (just my opinion).  doesnt matter now.  onward to the frigid confines of the Perk.

I think that's a fair assessment but I'm not 100% sure.  I'll grant you that more favorable weather for passing would have either favored Franklin or been neutral; however, WashU's defense was very stingy all season (including some pretty good opponents) with one exception, against varying styles, and may still have been able to hold the Grizzlies to a respectable total.  On the other side of the ball, FC's defense deserves credit for shutting down WashU as well...but the truth is that WashU barely scored on anyone all season, either.

Congrats to the Grizzlies for advancing and to both teams on a hard-fought and competitive game.  Franklin vs. UWW is an intriguing matchup given a) Franklin's close shave with Mount and ALSO that b) WashU gave UWW a reasonably tough opener.  Franklin might be able to make this one a game.  Honestly could see this result as anything from "UWW by 35" to "Franklin in a close one."  Besides NCC vs. UWP, my favorite matchup of the second round.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 25, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
appears to be the case.  At that point in the game both teams are trying to gamble strategy wise. The game was tied at that point so the worst that would happen is a missed FG with no clock and OT.  Johnny made the play and the rest is history.  Wash defense was most difficult of the year for FC (the weather also proved a factor.  very cold and windy).  Wind was cross field at 20 mph pretty much entire game.  FC defense was as stingy or more than Wash U to be honest.  Only gave up 73 yards rushing to a running style team. Had the weather been warm and wind not a factor FC would more likely have won by a larger margin. (just my opinion).  doesnt matter now.  onward to the frigid confines of the Perk.

I think that's a fair assessment but I'm not 100% sure.  I'll grant you that more favorable weather for passing would have either favored Franklin or been neutral; however, WashU's defense was very stingy all season (including some pretty good opponents) with one exception, against varying styles, and may still have been able to hold the Grizzlies to a respectable total.  On the other side of the ball, FC's defense deserves credit for shutting down WashU as well...but the truth is that WashU barely scored on anyone all season, either.

Congrats to the Grizzlies for advancing and to both teams on a hard-fought and competitive game.  Franklin vs. UWW is an intriguing matchup given a) Franklin's close shave with Mount and ALSO that b) WashU gave UWW a reasonably tough opener.  Franklin might be able to make this one a game.  Honestly could see this result as anything from "UWW by 35" to "Franklin in a close one."  Besides NCC vs. UWP, my favorite matchup of the second round.

As my tailgating crew will attest, I am just glad there is a football road trip on Thanksgiving weekend.  We always have a great time (last years bus trip to MHB was epic) with friends, cold brew, and good food.  If a football game breaks out then that is icing on the cake.  I try not to make pre-game predictions that I have to eat later.  We will see what happens.  The GRIZ will be ready and give it their best. They are one of a handful of teams that understand what it is like to play in Whitewater, Alliance, Naperville, Waco etc.  We shall see what unfolds.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2013, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 25, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
A nice video clip of Franklin's game winning play from last Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=591110557622469

Thanks for sharing the clip.  What was the down and distance on that play?  It seems a bit odd the two safeties were at 8 yards deep.  Both of the seam routes beat the safeties.

Yes, thanks.  Wow, as a former safety, I don't understand that - what were those safeties thinking?  That late in the game and in in that situation, you have to play the pass first.  Those seam routes should have been easily covered - actually, it looks to me like both receivers were open.  The one safety closest to the bottom of the screen was momentarily frozen before even shifting back while the other one just got beat on the route.  I'm sure the safeties feel bad, however, what a great play and win for Franklin. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 25, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 25, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
appears to be the case.  At that point in the game both teams are trying to gamble strategy wise. The game was tied at that point so the worst that would happen is a missed FG with no clock and OT.  Johnny made the play and the rest is history.  Wash defense was most difficult of the year for FC (the weather also proved a factor.  very cold and windy).  Wind was cross field at 20 mph pretty much entire game.  FC defense was as stingy or more than Wash U to be honest.  Only gave up 73 yards rushing to a running style team. Had the weather been warm and wind not a factor FC would more likely have won by a larger margin. (just my opinion).  doesnt matter now.  onward to the frigid confines of the Perk.

I think that's a fair assessment but I'm not 100% sure.  I'll grant you that more favorable weather for passing would have either favored Franklin or been neutral; however, WashU's defense was very stingy all season (including some pretty good opponents) with one exception, against varying styles, and may still have been able to hold the Grizzlies to a respectable total.  On the other side of the ball, FC's defense deserves credit for shutting down WashU as well...but the truth is that WashU barely scored on anyone all season, either.

Congrats to the Grizzlies for advancing and to both teams on a hard-fought and competitive game.  Franklin vs. UWW is an intriguing matchup given a) Franklin's close shave with Mount and ALSO that b) WashU gave UWW a reasonably tough opener.  Franklin might be able to make this one a game.  Honestly could see this result as anything from "UWW by 35" to "Franklin in a close one."  Besides NCC vs. UWP, my favorite matchup of the second round.

As my tailgating crew will attest, I am just glad there is a football road trip on Thanksgiving weekend.  We always have a great time (last years bus trip to MHB was epic) with friends, cold brew, and good food.  If a football game breaks out then that is icing on the cake.  I try not to make pre-game predictions that I have to eat later.  We will see what happens.  The GRIZ will be ready and give it their best. They are one of a handful of teams that understand what it is like to play in Whitewater, Alliance, Naperville, Waco etc.  We shall see what unfolds.

The Griz have no doubt earned the respect of the nation with their scheduling.  This game has all sorts of intrigue and there is no reason for people to think Franklin doesn't have a good chance.  Quite Franklinly, this could turn out to be a real shootout.  UWW is throwing the ball a whole lot more than the UWW Franlin played in the old days- and that's because the running game simply isn't dominant. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
Congratulations on the win, Grizzlies! I know those of us in Warhawk-land have a lot of respect for Coach Leonard and the Grizzlies' program. From everything I've heard, he is a great guy and a great coach. I have listened to a few of his interviews and was very impressed.  I particularly remember him complimenting UW-W after one of their playoff games for playing the game "the right way". And I remember that about the Griz too. I'm glad to see you advance, but to be honest, I would have been happy for Wash U also. Another team that has earned respect by the way they go about their business.

I know I speak for the other UW-W posters that it would be great to meet up with you guys and do some tailgating in the parking lot before the game on Saturday. If you need any Whitewater metropolis info let us know. As you undoubtedly remember, there are choices galore!  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 26, 2013, 08:37:14 PM
Gagliardi finalists have been released and WR Kyle Linville has made the final 10. He joins former QBs Kyle Ray (2010) and Chad Rupp (2008) as finalists from Franklin.
Be sure to cast your vote as the fans count for 1/39th of the ballots http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/11/gagliardi-finalists-announced (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/11/gagliardi-finalists-announced)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe Wally on November 27, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
Good Luck, Grizzlies! 

What's the weather looking like in Wisconsin this weekend?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 27, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on November 27, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
Good Luck, Grizzlies! 

What's the weather looking like in Wisconsin this weekend?

Thanks for the props!  A balmy 37 with light south wind and partly sunny.  Compared to last week, almost shorts weather.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarhawkDad on November 27, 2013, 06:12:51 PM
To all the HCAC posters, Have a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving Holiday!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 01, 2013, 09:14:35 AM
I have to say, the game didn't feel like a 30 point blowout to me. Franklin put some good drives together that they just couldn't finish, and turnovers at the end helped push the lead out. Start of the 2nd half had the feel of the Mount game and I thought they might be able to pull off a similar comeback, but Whitewater managed to halt that just in time. I think the biggest negative was the O Line... 24 rushes for 4 yards and Jonny West was hit a lot and quickly.
Sad to see Linville graduate because he made some spectacular catches like always. Hopefully the Grizzlies will reload and make noise again next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 01, 2013, 11:24:15 AM
Congrats to Franklin on another good season.  Tough loss yesterday, but a hard fought battle. 

Looking forward to next season as I hope my Jackets continue to improve and become a presence in the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on December 01, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 01, 2013, 09:14:35 AM
I have to say, the game didn't feel like a 30 point blowout to me. Franklin put some good drives together that they just couldn't finish, and turnovers at the end helped push the lead out. Start of the 2nd half had the feel of the Mount game and I thought they might be able to pull off a similar comeback, but Whitewater managed to halt that just in time. I think the biggest negative was the O Line... 24 rushes for 4 yards and Jonny West was hit a lot and quickly.
Sad to see Linville graduate because he made some spectacular catches like always. Hopefully the Grizzlies will reload and make noise again next year.

As the frustration of the offense performance yesterday has subsided, I took a look back at the senior class that finished their football careers yesterday. In four years they have won the HCAC each year, advanced to the second round of the playoffs three times, played against the top teams in the nation multiple times, and went 31-1 in conference play.  The GRIZ have been nationally ranked all or nearly all of the last 4 years.  Not very many players have this body of work to proud of.  Hats off once again to the GRIZ!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on December 01, 2013, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on December 01, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 01, 2013, 09:14:35 AM
I have to say, the game didn't feel like a 30 point blowout to me. Franklin put some good drives together that they just couldn't finish, and turnovers at the end helped push the lead out. Start of the 2nd half had the feel of the Mount game and I thought they might be able to pull off a similar comeback, but Whitewater managed to halt that just in time. I think the biggest negative was the O Line... 24 rushes for 4 yards and Jonny West was hit a lot and quickly.
Sad to see Linville graduate because he made some spectacular catches like always. Hopefully the Grizzlies will reload and make noise again next year.

As the frustration of the offense performance yesterday has subsided, I took a look back at the senior class that finished their football careers yesterday. In four years they have won the HCAC each year, advanced to the second round of the playoffs three times, played against the top teams in the nation multiple times, and went 31-1 in conference play.  The GRIZ have been nationally ranked all or nearly all of the last 4 years.  Not very many players have this body of work to proud of.  Hats off once again to the GRIZ!!

Griz fans,
The game yesterday was not a "blowout" from my perspective at all.  The Franklin D did a great job vs. the UWW O and made them work for every yard.  I associate blowouts with easy pickens, and this game was anything but. 
Franklin ran into a UWW team that was playing much faster than it did the week previous and the D line was really bringing it.  UWP only scored 10 against the UWW D and UWO only scored 14, that's it.  Franklin had a couple nice drives that ended just short.   Congrats to your seniors especially, they've not only had great success with their record, but they've brought respect to Franklin from around the country.
   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 16, 2013, 09:25:26 AM
There was a story this weekend in the Daily Journal about Kyle Linville and his future in football. Apparently the Schwabisch Hall Unicorns have invited him to join them in the German Football League (the same team Chad Rupp played for in 2009).
QuoteI've been in contact with their offensive coordinator. They want me to play," Linville said. "If I stay in the U.S., I'd have to test the waters and see what's out there."
Domestic options include the Arena Football League and the NFL. He hasn't ruled out visiting an NFL rookie camp or giving the Canadian Football League a shot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on December 17, 2013, 11:50:48 AM
Congratulations to the two AFCA All-Americans from the HCAC - Kyle Linville (Franklin) & Tony Sierra (Defiance)!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 17, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on December 17, 2013, 11:50:48 AM
Congratulations to the two AFCA All-Americans from the HCAC - Kyle Linville (Franklin) & Tony Sierra (Defiance)!
Those two have been racking up the honors.  Congrats to the both of them!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 21, 2013, 09:10:03 PM
Linville received first team D3football and Sierra received third team.  Congrats to the both of them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
Franklin has released it's 2014 schedule... while it's nice to see Franklin test their abilities against a top caliber program like Whitewater... this will be the 4th year in a row the Grizzlies have played either UWW or Mount Union (5 if you include the playoff game against Whitewater in 2010).
Their other non-conference game however is what we've been wanting for a while now... they will open the season at Illinois Wesleyan. A high quality team but a little more in the realm of Franklin's talents. I hope we see more games like this on the schedule in future years :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on January 30, 2014, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
Franklin has released it's 2014 schedule... while it's nice to see Franklin test their abilities against a top caliber program like Whitewater... this will be the 4th year in a row the Grizzlies have played either UWW or Mount Union (5 if you include the playoff game against Whitewater in 2010).
Their other non-conference game however is what we've been wanting for a while now... they will open the season at Illinois Wesleyan. A high quality team but a little more in the realm of Franklin's talents. I hope we see more games like this on the schedule in future years :)

Such great news that the Warhawks and Griz are playing each other again this year. I know there is a ton of respect between the programs and the coaches.  If 2014 unfolds as both schools would hope, the game should be a boost for both teams' SOS and hopefully both will add a RRO. I know there are no guarantees in this regard, but either way it is a good non-conference game!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

Maybe it is a scheduling issue with the other teams joining the PAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2014, 04:15:09 PM
I don't believe Thomas More wished to discontinue the rivalry and the size of the HCAC hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 03, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

The MSJ Program is clearly outmatched.  This either signals a de-emphasis on the program or is just the 2nd period they've decided to step away.  1995-2001 was the last time they felt like they couldn't compete either.  Frankly, with the coaches believing this (not one voted to keep playing TMC), they really can't. 

The problem isn't dropping TMC, it's the way they did it.  After telling TM there would be a game in 2014 - they informed TM Coaches of the change in wishes to play. 

What does Thomas More do to their schedule?  They added a road game at Wesley.  These programs are headed in different directions. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on April 03, 2014, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on March 25, 2014, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

Maybe it is a scheduling issue with the other teams joining the PAC.

The PAC schedule has "rivalry games" for week 11.  Since there are an odd number of teams, the option for TMC-MSJ remained.

This event likely leaves a open date week 11 for TMC for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 03, 2014, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on April 03, 2014, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on March 25, 2014, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

Maybe it is a scheduling issue with the other teams joining the PAC.

The PAC schedule has "rivalry games" for week 11.  Since there are an odd number of teams, the option for TMC-MSJ remained.

This event likely leaves a open date week 11 for TMC for the foreseeable future.

The question before the last 10 days was where to put the CWRU game.   

The schedule is better without MSJ and Capital on it.  Those two cost TM a shot at Pool C last season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on April 03, 2014, 04:05:46 PM
I don't think for 2014 there was any date to move it to.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 10, 2014, 08:25:07 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on April 03, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

The MSJ Program is clearly outmatched.  This either signals a de-emphasis on the program or is just the 2nd period they've decided to step away.  1995-2001 was the last time they felt like they couldn't compete either.  Frankly, with the coaches believing this (not one voted to keep playing TMC), they really can't. 

The problem isn't dropping TMC, it's the way they did it.  After telling TM there would be a game in 2014 - they informed TM Coaches of the change in wishes to play. 

What does Thomas More do to their schedule?  They added a road game at Wesley.  These programs are headed in different directions.

One coach did vote to keep playing...unfortunately, there's about a 95% chance that coach will not be around for 2014.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 10, 2014, 08:27:38 AM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

This MSJ man is far from it.


BTW, congrats to Kevin as his way-to-beautiful-for-him wife gave birth to a girl a few days ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on April 10, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
At 2:00 (35 minutes ago), Bluffton University announced their new head football coach: Denny Dorrel, former assistant at Hanover (and before that at Marietta and Thomas More).

Dorrel replaces Tyson Veidt, who took a position at UToledo at the end of February.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 19, 2014, 01:52:20 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on April 03, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

The MSJ Program is clearly outmatched.  This either signals a de-emphasis on the program or is just the 2nd period they've decided to step away.  1995-2001 was the last time they felt like they couldn't compete either.  Frankly, with the coaches believing this (not one voted to keep playing TMC), they really can't. 

The problem isn't dropping TMC, it's the way they did it.  After telling TM there would be a game in 2014 - they informed TM Coaches of the change in wishes to play. 

What does Thomas More do to their schedule?  They added a road game at Wesley.  These programs are headed in different directions.

This reminds me of when TMC got gun shy and walked from the DC game :) SaintsFan that one is for you!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: panthersfan on June 24, 2014, 06:24:41 PM
He'll make a great HC.  Love his fire. 


Quote from: Darryl Nester on April 10, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
At 2:00 (35 minutes ago), Bluffton University announced their new head football coach: Denny Dorrel, former assistant at Hanover (and before that at Marietta and Thomas More).

Dorrel replaces Tyson Veidt, who took a position at UToledo at the end of February.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizzlyGrad08 on July 18, 2014, 06:41:17 PM
Anyone have any news about incoming freshman in the HCAC? I'm still waiting to see my Grizzlies post some info on their incoming freshman class.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on July 21, 2014, 09:03:21 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on July 18, 2014, 06:41:17 PM
Anyone have any news about incoming freshman in the HCAC? I'm still waiting to see my Grizzlies post some info on their incoming freshman class.

The top Indiana recruit for Franklin is 6'6" WR Tanner Wroblewski from Paoli.  He was 1st team all-state (2A), Super 25 Senior, and North/South All Star.  I hope he can stick, the last two top recruits did not return for their sophomore years.

GRIZ season depends on Welp stepping into the QB spot.  Rest of offense should be OK, return several with experience.  Defense will be rebult, lots of graduation losses.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 31, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
I plan on making the trek to Franklin for the Grizz's game with the WARHAWKS and I was hoping some of you might be able to clue me on places to eat and hotels that are available.  Also what do you do in Franklin on Friday nights?   Normally those of us in Wisconsin go out for a fish fry but I don't know what people in Indiana do.  Thanks for any information. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on July 31, 2014, 12:18:08 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on July 31, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
I plan on making the trek to Franklin for the Grizz's game with the WARHAWKS and I was hoping some of you might be able to clue me on places to eat and hotels that are available.  Also what do you do in Franklin on Friday nights?   Normally those of us in Wisconsin go out for a fish fry but I don't know what people in Indiana do.  Thanks for any information.

Friday nights are HS football nights here in Indiana!  HS football is huge in this area.  Best place for food & drink in Franklin is The Willard (thewillard.com).  You can also hit any Indianapolis area site as Franklin is only 20 miles from downtown.  Lots to do in Indy.  Only a couple of hotels in Franklin, but plenty in Indy and Greenwood areas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 31, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
Thanks, The Willard looks like a pretty neat place and we'll be sure to check it out. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 01, 2014, 03:34:57 PM
5 games into the Finnish Vaahteraliiga season, former Grizzlies QB Jonny West is 62/116 for 845 yards 13 TD, 8 Int for the Turku Trojans who are 4-1 on the season and leading the league with 48.8 points per game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 04, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 01, 2014, 03:34:57 PM
5 games into the Finnish Vaahteraliiga season, former Grizzlies QB Jonny West is 62/116 for 845 yards 13 TD, 8 Int for the Turku Trojans who are 4-1 on the season and leading the league with 48.8 points per game.

Awesome!

I also read that Kyle Linville tore his ACL while playing in Germany.  Hopefully he can heal up and the West to Linville duo can play together next season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 05, 2014, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: GrizzlyGrad08 on July 18, 2014, 06:41:17 PM
Anyone have any news about incoming freshman in the HCAC? I'm still waiting to see my Grizzlies post some info on their incoming freshman class.

The GRIZ have now posted the names of their 59 new recruits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
As far as I know MSJ's top recruits are OL. They got 2 from Moeller and 1 from Roncalli. I believe they are expecting all three to start as freshman. They will be a little better this year but are still a year or two from truly being back to the team we/they were in the mid 2000's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 10, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-repeat.

1) Franklin (7)                 79
2) Mount St. Joseph (2)   65
3) Hanover                      50
T4) Defiance                    48
T4) Rose-Hulman            48
6) Bluffton                       43
7) Manchester                 34
8) Earlham                       26
9) Anderson                     12
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 20, 2014, 04:47:16 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
As far as I know MSJ's top recruits are OL. They got 2 from Moeller and 1 from Roncalli. I believe they are expecting all three to start as freshman. They will be a little better this year but are still a year or two from truly being back to the team we/they were in the mid 2000's.

they are ALOT further from that than you think... based on what I've seen the last two years and the resulting decision amongst the staff that they can't compete with their rival.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 21, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 10, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-repeat.

T4) Defiance                   

With the new Castithan coaching staff and the Biomen, Volge and Sensoth recruits I think Definace could make noise in the league this year.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 21, 2014, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 21, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 10, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-repeat.

T4) Defiance                   

With the new Castithan coaching staff and the Biomen, Volge and Sensoth recruits I think Definace could make noise in the league this year.   ;D

Sorry, you lost me!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 21, 2014, 10:53:11 AM
I think BW is referencing a TV series that's on the SyFy network...called Defiance.

p.s. I had to do a little research to figure out what he's talking about.  :P
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 21, 2014, 11:54:33 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 21, 2014, 10:53:11 AM
I think BW is referencing a TV series that's on the SyFy network...called Defiance.

p.s. I had to do a little research to figure out what he's talking about.  :P

Exactly, one of my favorite shows.  It's on SYFY tonight, 7pm CST, if you want to catch it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 21, 2014, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 21, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 10, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-repeat.

T4) Defiance                   

With the new Castithan coaching staff and the Biomen, Volge and Sensoth recruits I think Definace could make noise in the league this year.   ;D

Well played, Sir.  +1  Wonder how many are searching for Volge and Sensoth on the posted roster?   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 26, 2014, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 21, 2014, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 21, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 10, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-repeat.

T4) Defiance                   

With the new Castithan coaching staff and the Biomen, Volge and Sensoth recruits I think Definace could make noise in the league this year.   ;D

Well played, Sir.  +1  Wonder how many are searching for Volge and Sensoth on the posted roster?   ;)

yea this one hurt my brain...nice play
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2014, 01:44:13 AM
Is this the season the HCAC finally goes 0fer in non-conference play?

2007: 12-12 (last time a team was unbeaten in non-conference [MSJ and Rose])
2008: 10-14
2009: 7-17
2010: 6-12
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, Mt St Joseph)
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton and Mt St Joseph)
2013: 1-17 (Earlham)

Based on Massey's predictions, the HCAC are favored in 0 of their 18 games this year... there are certainly some winnable games though. Week 1 has Bluffton, Franklin, Rose-Hulman all with single score margins while Defiance, Manchester, and Mt St Joseph are all under 10 points. Week 2 however only has Rose as a touchdown underdog. At some point things will improve... right? :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2014, 08:25:51 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2014, 01:44:13 AM
Is this the season the HCAC finally goes 0fer in non-conference play?

2007: 12-12 (last time a team was unbeaten in non-conference [MSJ and Rose])
2008: 10-14
2009: 7-17
2010: 6-12
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, Mt St Joseph)
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton and Mt St Joseph)
2013: 1-17 (Earlham)

Based on Massey's predictions, the HCAC are favored in 0 of their 18 games this year... there are certainly some winnable games though. Week 1 has Bluffton, Franklin, Rose-Hulman all with single score margins while Defiance, Manchester, and Mt St Joseph are all under 10 points. Week 2 however only has Rose as a touchdown underdog. At some point things will improve... right? :-[

Let me state the obvious -- MSJ has a better chance of a win this year than they have over the past 6 years since they dropped Thomas More and the Bridge Bowl game for the 2nd time in their history after realizing they can't compete on the field with the Saints, having a Coaching Staff vote*, and deciding to put their program emphasis on winning the HCAC and giving up on being competitive in any playoff game they may or may not play (probably not this year). 

Not to worry -- I'll still be on the HCAC page as Hanover is back on the schedule.  I'd venture to say Hanover, Bluffton and Franklin are the only Heartland schools with the intestinal fortitude to schedule a game with TMC. 

*there was an actual Coaches vote AFTER they had already told the Thomas More coaches they would at least play another year.  It was an unanimous decision to not continue the rivalry and they informed TMC the last week in March (which is a big reason why the TM program, alums and supporters are even still thinking about this at all).  This is also why its mentioned a few times Kickoff -- which EVERYONE should rush to purchase (see Pat, I can shrill for the D3 cause!)

Like the last time MSJ discontinued the series (1995-2001), the Bridge Bowl will reside in Crestview Hills -- where it belongs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2014, 08:26:23 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on June 19, 2014, 01:52:20 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on April 03, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on March 25, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Any thoughts or reaction to MSJ dropping TMC? In my opinion I think they are cowards!!

The MSJ Program is clearly outmatched.  This either signals a de-emphasis on the program or is just the 2nd period they've decided to step away.  1995-2001 was the last time they felt like they couldn't compete either.  Frankly, with the coaches believing this (not one voted to keep playing TMC), they really can't. 

The problem isn't dropping TMC, it's the way they did it.  After telling TM there would be a game in 2014 - they informed TM Coaches of the change in wishes to play. 

What does Thomas More do to their schedule?  They added a road game at Wesley.  These programs are headed in different directions.

This reminds me of when TMC got gun shy and walked from the DC game :) SaintsFan that one is for you!

I just saw this, 70 -- haha.  Psconda...  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2014, 08:27:21 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on August 26, 2014, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 21, 2014, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 21, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 10, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-repeat.

T4) Defiance                   

With the new Castithan coaching staff and the Biomen, Volge and Sensoth recruits I think Definace could make noise in the league this year.   ;D

Well played, Sir.  +1  Wonder how many are searching for Volge and Sensoth on the posted roster?   ;)

yea this one hurt my brain...nice play

Please follow proper concussion protocol.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2014, 12:12:03 PM
The games for week 1 are up in the HCAC Pick 'em (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4791.msg1602552#msg1602552). Be sure to play and keep Chess4Me from winning for the third straight year ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 05, 2014, 09:01:59 PM
Hopefully not a sign of things to come this season... Manchester and Trine are in a weather delay tied at 7 after the 1st quarter and it's probably going to be a while till they get started again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 05, 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Looks like the Manchester-Trine game has been called for the night. No word yet on it's resumption.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 05, 2014, 11:23:29 PM
Seems like they either have to go tomorrow or finish up during the first week of the tournament.  They don't share a bye week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2014, 09:04:48 AM
Coach Griffith has tweeted they're trying for Sunday for the resumption of Manchester-Trine
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2014, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 05, 2014, 09:01:59 PM
Hopefully not a sign of things to come this season... Manchester and Trine are in a weather delay tied at 7 after the 1st quarter and it's probably going to be a while till they get started again.

Well, Manchester didn't lose last night - at least
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2014, 11:18:08 PM
Two non-conference wins in one day... first time the HCAC has done that since week 1 of 2012.

Franklin looks like the offense is fine with Welp but the defense needs some work. Oct 18th looks like it will be a really tough battle in Cincinnati. Rose looks like they're going to have another fine season as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Sad news... former Grizzlies offensive line captain (2013 grad) and current Merrillville police officer Nick Schultz was shot in the head Friday night and is currently in critical condition.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2014, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Sad news... former Grizzlies offensive line captain (2013 grad) and current Merrillville police officer Nick Schultz was shot in the head Friday night and is currently in critical condition.
That is terrible!  Hopefully he will fully recover. I wish for the best for Nick!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Sad news... former Grizzlies offensive line captain (2013 grad) and current Merrillville police officer Nick Schultz was shot in the head Friday night and is currently in critical condition.
Sadly the reports are that he passed a couple hours ago >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Sad news... former Grizzlies offensive line captain (2013 grad) and current Merrillville police officer Nick Schultz was shot in the head Friday night and is currently in critical condition.
Sadly the reports are that he passed a couple hours ago >:(

That's terrible news.. My condolences to his family and the Franklin program.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on September 07, 2014, 08:22:23 PM
So sorry to hear this news.  Here is more information about this tragic incident, including information about contributing to a memorial fund: http://posttrib.suntimes.com/29726528-537/merrillville-police-officer-dies-after-shooting.html#.VAz199ewJcQ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2014, 11:44:35 AM
Thank you for sharing the article Darryl! 

I am tired of these cowards who take someone else's life, then their own.  If you don't want to be part of this world, then it is your choice to leave it, but don't take someone else with you! 
Too many good people are taken from selfish people!  I wish the best to Nick's family and the Franklin family as well!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM
Absolutely awful and senseless.  Thoughts and prayers for Nick's family and friends.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on September 09, 2014, 08:18:54 PM
Simply horrible. My heart goes out to Nick's family and all who love him. I am praying for God to comfort and strengthen all who are grieving.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 13, 2014, 01:53:16 PM
Grizzlies open the game with a 16 play 75 yard drive in 10:29 ??? for a TD. Bad snap on the extra point means it's only 6-0... but there's less than 5 minutes left in the 1st quarter and UW-Whitewater haven't had the ball yet. When's the last time the Grizzlies had a drive that took that long?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 13, 2014, 10:46:27 PM
Rose has been lighting it up... 61-61 at the end of regulation with Illinois College. A chance to be the first HCAC team to be unbeaten in nonconference play in quite some time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 13, 2014, 11:09:37 PM
Rose wins 74-68 in three overtimes.  That game was nuts. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 14, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
So is RHIT the team to beat??  I still think Franklin.  You would think MSJ has a shot at the HCAC, but I think they are too young and their coaches aren't competitive enough to coach them through adversity when they play a team that is more talented (which doesn't happen much in the HCAC but did happen on Saturday).  Luckily, they got out of the contract with the best team on their schedule.. so unless Franklin or RHIT embarrasses them -- it won't happen this year. 
"Hey look recruits, we didn't get blown out this year!!"  I'm rooting for a blowout from a league team so we can see if they try to drop them and dismantle the league.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 14, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
So is RHIT the team to beat??  I still think Franklin.  You would think MSJ has a shot at the HCAC, but I think they are too young and their coaches aren't competitive enough to coach them through adversity when they play a team that is more talented (which doesn't happen much in the HCAC but did happen on Saturday).  Luckily, they got out of the contract with the best team on their schedule.. so unless Franklin or RHIT embarrasses them -- it won't happen this year. 
"Hey look recruits, we didn't get blown out this year!!"  I'm rooting for a blowout from a league team so we can see if they try to drop them and dismantle the league.
RHIT did share the conference crown last year, however they haven't been able to put up much of a fight against Franklin lately (losses by 56 and 50 the last two years). Rose will get Franklin the week after the Grizzlies play at MSJ so it could be the perfect time for an upset but they play both Franklin and MSJ on the road this season.

I joke that Franklin has an NFL defense... unfortunately it's the Colts defense  :(

Congrats to Rose for being the first HCAC team since 2007 to go unbeaten in their nonconference games. How about a 9-1 RHIT getting an at large bid? I'd also like to win the lottery :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 15, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 13, 2014, 01:53:16 PM
Grizzlies open the game with a 16 play 75 yard drive in 10:29 ??? for a TD. Bad snap on the extra point means it's only 6-0... but there's less than 5 minutes left in the 1st quarter and UW-Whitewater haven't had the ball yet. When's the last time the Grizzlies had a drive that took that long?

That drive was impressive.  It looked like we had it stopped but the personal foul kept it alive and the Grizzlies finished it.  The extra point attempt was interesting.  The snap was bad but the holder was able to complete a pass in which the receiver's feet and a portion of his body were in the end zone.  Because he had to dive forward to make the catch the ball was just outside the goal line when it touched the ground so the official ruled no good. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2014, 11:35:58 AM
If RHIT can play solid defense against Franklin, then I think they have a great shot at winning the HCAC.  Their QB seems to be the real deal and coach Sokol is a great with QB's.
Franklin still is the team to beat and until they are beat outright, they at my top of the list.
On a personal level, dang it Jackets!  Their offense is sputtering and their starting QB is already injured forcing Teague to move back under center.  Hopefully they can get things going once HCAC actions begins.  They need to be better than 3-7!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 28, 2014, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 15, 2014, 11:35:58 AM
If RHIT can play solid defense against Franklin, then I think they have a great shot at winning the HCAC.  Their QB seems to be the real deal and coach Sokol is a great with QB's.
Franklin still is the team to beat and until they are beat outright, they at my top of the list.
On a personal level, dang it Jackets!  Their offense is sputtering and their starting QB is already injured forcing Teague to move back under center.  Hopefully they can get things going once HCAC actions begins.  They need to be better than 3-7!

Oh My!  Not only a road win for Defiance - a comeback road win, "Has Been."  Knew if I went against them on the pick'ems, after to picks with, a reversal of fortune would occur.  Cave's corollary to Murphy's Law - and why I never gamble with anything worth more than 2 cents...LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 11, 2014, 02:16:49 PM
It's taken until 8:57 in the 2nd quarter for Franklin to take a lead on Earlham... Quakers are 13 of 17 passing for 152 yards. Defense is looking terrible so far.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2014, 08:27:41 AM
Go Grizzlies
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 13, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Big game this weekend at MSJ which could determine HCAC title.  What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 13, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Big game this weekend at MSJ which could determine HCAC title.  What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that if the MSJ staff doesn't think they can beat Franklin after this game, they can't run and hide by dropping Franklin as it would dismantle the HCAC as we know it.  I'm rooting for Franklin to hang 60 on them at home and you see the crowd start filing out in the 3rd Quarter like we saw last year in the season finale. 

I'm not sure what will happen in this game as I've not payed any attention to the MSJ program this season.  What we've heard and I've repeated to Pat is fact the MSJ program is focused on trying to win the HCAC Crown and thats it... just be happy to be in the playoffs.   If you want the HCAC to do well in the playoffs this year, your choices are either Franklin or RHIT. 

MSJ is 5-1.  Three of their wins are against teams that have 1 win and two wins have come against winless teams after 6 weeks of football.  They were beaten at home by a team with one win on the season.  Franklin has played better opponents and I think is better prepared for a game of this magnitude. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
This is the football board, but a story worth sharing...

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/one-last-game-18984.shtml

Kudos to Hiram and MSJ for making this happen.  Here's hoping that she makes it to November 2. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 14, 2014, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
This is the football board, but a story worth sharing...

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/one-last-game-18984.shtml

Kudos to Hiram and MSJ for making this happen.  Here's hoping that she makes it to November 2.

She's from the town that I now live in.  Sad, sad story - even the sportscaster has to fight back tears.   I sent this to Pat to put on the basketball part of this website to help raise some awareness for DIPG this morning. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 15, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
I am quite worried about my GRIZ and their game at MSJ.  I know that the Lions have had an easy schedule up to this point, but this is BY FAR the most talented Lion team in several years.  They have 6'8" WR who is money in the red zone, a couple of other fast receivers, an improved running game, a good kicker, and a decent QB (first time in many years).

The GRIZ have not looked good on the road and the young GRIZ D really needs to step up!  The injury to Jenney also really hurts, he was a major threat.   :(

Step up and take care of business!  GO GRIZ!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 15, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
I am quite worried about my GRIZ and their game at MSJ.  I know that the Lions have had an easy schedule up to this point, but this is BY FAR the most talented Lion team in several years.  They have 6'8" WR who is money in the red zone, a couple of other fast receivers, an improved running game, a good kicker, and a decent QB (first time in many years).

The GRIZ have not looked good on the road and the young GRIZ D really needs to step up!  The injury to Jenney also really hurts, he was a major threat.   :(

Step up and take care of business!  GO GRIZ!

Yep, but you didn't mention their weakness and its been the same for a few years.  Offensive Line.  You kick their rears up front and none of that other stuff will show its face in the game.  They had a good QB last year... but because of the schedule, the OL wasn't ready for what I saw thrown at them.  The QB basically quit with a questionable injury.  I think MUCH of the improvement you talk about is due to the schedule so far.  I think its too bad there won't be a Bridge Bowl this year, because I would have loved to see them exposed again like they were a few years ago with a 9-0 team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2014, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 15, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
I am quite worried about my GRIZ and their game at MSJ.  I know that the Lions have had an easy schedule up to this point, but this is BY FAR the most talented Lion team in several years.  They have 6'8" WR who is money in the red zone, a couple of other fast receivers, an improved running game, a good kicker, and a decent QB (first time in many years).

The GRIZ have not looked good on the road and the young GRIZ D really needs to step up!  The injury to Jenney also really hurts, he was a major threat.   :(

Step up and take care of business!  GO GRIZ!

Yep, but you didn't mention their weakness and its been the same for a few years.  Offensive Line.  You kick their rears up front and none of that other stuff will show its face in the game.  They had a good QB last year... but because of the schedule, the OL wasn't ready for what I saw thrown at them.  The QB basically quit with a questionable injury.  I think MUCH of the improvement you talk about is due to the schedule so far.  I think its too bad there won't be a Bridge Bowl this year, because I would have loved to see them exposed again like they were a few years ago with a 9-0 team.

Don't sugarcoat it, SaintsFAN, tell us how you really feel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on October 15, 2014, 05:01:33 PM
That's one thing about SaintsFan he never leaves a doubt of what he thinks.

ExTartanPlayer,

Thanks for the post the other day on the basketball player. Gave you a +1. It kind of reminds us when we think we are going through some tough times that it could always worse and feel fortunate for what we have.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 16, 2014, 07:59:42 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 15, 2014, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 15, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
I am quite worried about my GRIZ and their game at MSJ.  I know that the Lions have had an easy schedule up to this point, but this is BY FAR the most talented Lion team in several years.  They have 6'8" WR who is money in the red zone, a couple of other fast receivers, an improved running game, a good kicker, and a decent QB (first time in many years).

The GRIZ have not looked good on the road and the young GRIZ D really needs to step up!  The injury to Jenney also really hurts, he was a major threat.   :(

Step up and take care of business!  GO GRIZ!

Yep, but you didn't mention their weakness and its been the same for a few years.  Offensive Line.  You kick their rears up front and none of that other stuff will show its face in the game.  They had a good QB last year... but because of the schedule, the OL wasn't ready for what I saw thrown at them.  The QB basically quit with a questionable injury.  I think MUCH of the improvement you talk about is due to the schedule so far.  I think its too bad there won't be a Bridge Bowl this year, because I would have loved to see them exposed again like they were a few years ago with a 9-0 team.

Don't sugarcoat it, SaintsFAN, tell us how you really feel.

Believe it or not, this is actually paraphrased from one of their own coaches on staff over there. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 17, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 14, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
This is the football board, but a story worth sharing...

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/one-last-game-18984.shtml

Kudos to Hiram and MSJ for making this happen.  Here's hoping that she makes it to November 2.
This is great by both programs to make this happen for a young lady! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 02:16:23 PM
Franklin is up 28-0 on MSJ with 10 minutes left in the 2nd... I did not expect this game to be so one sided. Franklin has 16 first downs to Mount's 1.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance

anything can happen when MSJ throws the ball up to those WR's they have... unfortunately for them, they won't outscore many of the better teams with that defense. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 20, 2014, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance

anything can happen when MSJ throws the ball up to those WR's they have... unfortunately for them, they won't outscore many of the better teams with that defense.

The QB for MSJ was horrible in the first half but turned things around in the second.  MSJ might have been able to win had they had any passing attack in in the first.  I dont think they crossed the 50 more than once in the first half.  MSJ is much improved from last couple of years and the GRIZ are not as solid this year as they usually are (good but not great)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2014, 08:42:14 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 20, 2014, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance

anything can happen when MSJ throws the ball up to those WR's they have... unfortunately for them, they won't outscore many of the better teams with that defense.

The QB for MSJ was horrible in the first half but turned things around in the second.  MSJ might have been able to win had they had any passing attack in in the first.  I dont think they crossed the 50 more than once in the first half.  MSJ is much improved from last couple of years and the GRIZ are not as solid this year as they usually are (good but not great)

The Freshman QB is good, but thats the same team they've had the last 2 years.  What you saw was a result of Franklin not having West at QB -- I just don't believe Franklin is anywhere near where they've been the last few years.  And thats OK, its still good enough to win the HCAC.  I firmly believe Leonard is reloading -- this was THE year for a MSJ team to take advantage of that. 

Where do I sign up for my Franklin HCAC Champs shirt?  I'd like to wear one when I'm on the Ohio side ( I live out in Southeastern IN and the Delhi area is close.  You can smell it).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
West was rock solid but I still think he gets a little too much love.  Keep in mind the Griz had a first team All American at WR and 3-4 stud senior DBs last year.  This year Leonard is breaking in several new defensive lineman and LBs and our QB is solid but not dominant.  My observation is that FC is most vulnerable to the big play pass (which I am sure is evident on film).  I am sure Rose Hulman will try and expose this (line play as always will be difference maker).  I am hoping Wabash  stays unbeaten and the Griz get shipped to Crawfordsville later in Nov.

I can scrape up a t shirt if you really want one. (especially to annly your friend Sayer)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 21, 2014, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
West was rock solid but I still think he gets a little too much love.  Keep in mind the Griz had a first team All American at WR and 3-4 stud senior DBs last year.  This year Leonard is breaking in several new defensive lineman and LBs and our QB is solid but not dominant.  My observation is that FC is most vulnerable to the big play pass (which I am sure is evident on film).  I am sure Rose Hulman will try and expose this (line play as always will be difference maker).  I am hoping Wabash  stays unbeaten and the Griz get shipped to Crawfordsville later in Nov.

I can scrape up a t shirt if you really want one. (especially to annly your friend Sayer)

Yeah, I don't think West's departure is the real problem.  Welp is averaging 8.8 yards per attempt, 293 yards per game, and has thrown 21 TD/5 INT; for comparison's sake, last year West had 7.1 YPA, 326 yards per game, 40 TD, 13 INT.  I'll grant that West's efficiency numbers would have taken a hit from playing some VERY good teams (Mount, Butler, UWW, plus the very sterling defense of WashU) but Welp has nearly as productive on a per-play, per-game basis, and the running game has been more productive than last year.  West was an outstanding player, but Franklin isn't struggling to win because of a lack of top-notch QB play; Welp has been outstanding in his own right.  The defense is a much bigger problem...last year in league play, the defense only allowed >20 points twice (and both of those were huge blowouts).  This year, everyone is scoring a couple of touchdowns on them.  So I agree that Franklin isn't anywhere near what they've been the last few years, but it's not because West is gone, it's because their defense is not as good as last year's defense, or even close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2014, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 21, 2014, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
West was rock solid but I still think he gets a little too much love.  Keep in mind the Griz had a first team All American at WR and 3-4 stud senior DBs last year.  This year Leonard is breaking in several new defensive lineman and LBs and our QB is solid but not dominant.  My observation is that FC is most vulnerable to the big play pass (which I am sure is evident on film).  I am sure Rose Hulman will try and expose this (line play as always will be difference maker).  I am hoping Wabash  stays unbeaten and the Griz get shipped to Crawfordsville later in Nov.

I can scrape up a t shirt if you really want one. (especially to annly your friend Sayer)

Yeah, I don't think West's departure is the real problem.  Welp is averaging 8.8 yards per attempt, 293 yards per game, and has thrown 21 TD/5 INT; for comparison's sake, last year West had 7.1 YPA, 326 yards per game, 40 TD, 13 INT.  I'll grant that West's efficiency numbers would have taken a hit from playing some VERY good teams (Mount, Butler, UWW, plus the very sterling defense of WashU) but Welp has nearly as productive on a per-play, per-game basis, and the running game has been more productive than last year.  West was an outstanding player, but Franklin isn't struggling to win because of a lack of top-notch QB play; Welp has been outstanding in his own right.  The defense is a much bigger problem...last year in league play, the defense only allowed >20 points twice (and both of those were huge blowouts).  This year, everyone is scoring a couple of touchdowns on them.  So I agree that Franklin isn't anywhere near what they've been the last few years, but it's not because West is gone, it's because their defense is not as good as last year's defense, or even close.

Well said.  And if you asked the GRIZ head coach he would probably tell you the very same thing.  Johhny West had nothing to do with defense last year nor does Welp this year.  FC gives up too many big pass plays.  They are firaly stout against the run but most D3 teams are pass oriented.  They may get the ship righted before the season ends.  Lot of football to be played.  A likely 8-0 conference record and playoff appearance will be just fine.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Wouldn't bother me. I was hoping MSJ would pull it out but I told Kevin they were a year or two away from actually being in a spot to compete and possibly win a playoff game....that's assuming they keep the young kids they have. Offensively, they rotate a Fr and So at QB, the RB is a So and 3 of their 5 OL are Fr or So and one of the backups is a kid from Moeller who is pretty good and a Fr. Their #3 WR who often plays in the slot is also a Fr. I don't know what they have defensively but they should be able to score points in the bunches if they can keep guys on campus and eligible.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
BTW, we are getting together to honor the 10-0 team at MSJ this weekend for homecoming. Hard to believe it's been ten years since I finished playing and the greatest team in MSJ history walked off the field. It took a comeback at Franklin to keep that undefeated season intact. Wellendorf caught a late TD in the back of the end zone to win it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
  if they can keep guys on campus and eligible.

ding - ding - ding

You should have capitalized "IF"  -- the next time would be the first. 

You and I know they aren't really trying to win playoff games.  They just got rid of one of the two teams on their schedule who have done it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
With a 48-14 win, the Grizzlies are officially back in the playoffs for the 5th straight year. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
With a 48-14 win, the Grizzlies are officially back in the playoffs for the 5th straight year. :)

On the eve of what should be Bridge Bowl Week, this makes me very happy. 

The new goal in Delhi is to simply win the HCAC and treat a playoff game as a bonus.  So far they are 0-1 with the new, less than lofty goal. 

Not to mention, if they did make the Tournament with this philosophy, they'd embarrass the HCAC.  Thomas More totalled 64 or more points three times this year (and are back in the Top 25 this week), A game against MSJ would've been the 4th game over 64 in 2014.   

At least the actual Bridge Bowl trophy is permanently in the place it's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
With a 48-14 win, the Grizzlies are officially back in the playoffs for the 5th straight year. :)

On the eve of what should be Bridge Bowl Week, this makes me very happy. 

The new goal in Delhi is to simply win the HCAC and treat a playoff game as a bonus.  So far they are 0-1 with the new, less than lofty goal. 

Not to mention, if they did make the Tournament with this philosophy, they'd embarrass the HCAC.  Thomas More totalled 64 or more points three times this year (and are back in the Top 25 this week), A game against MSJ would've been the 4th game over 64 in 2014.   

At least the actual Bridge Bowl trophy is permanently in the place it's supposed to be.
While both Thomas More and MSJ went 8-2 this year... if I was putting a spread in the pickems for a Bridge Bowl game this week I'd probably set it somewhere around 3 TD. Possibly 24 or 25 if it was at Thomas More.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?
There are six Bridges which seperate the haves (TMC) from the have nots (MSJ) in the Cincinnati area.  The Bridge Bowl was just a funky, generic name given to a game between two first year programs in 1990.  The series was supposed to be a good one since both programs were brand new- it hasn't lived up to that billing as MSJ quit the series after the 1995 thrashing and renewed it in 2002 when they thought they were better equipped to play Thomas More.  After going 3-15 in the series, including 75-6 and 59-13 the past two seasons, MSJ has quit again. 

We'll wait until they get enough D1 transfers who go to class, thus making them eligible for more than just their 1st year, and maybe the MSJ assistant coaches who voted unanimously to quit the series, will vote to play Thomas More again.

Or maybe with the way they can't beat Franklin now, these same coaches will seek permission from HCAC Officials to end the series with Franklin, also?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?
There are six Bridges which seperate the haves (TMC) from the have nots (MSJ) in the Cincinnati area.  The Bridge Bowl was just a funky, generic name given to a game between two first year programs in 1990.  The series was supposed to be a good one since both programs were brand new- it hasn't lived up to that billing as MSJ quit the series after the 1995 thrashing and renewed it in 2002 when they thought they were better equipped to play Thomas More.  After going 3-15 in the series, including 75-6 and 59-13 the past two seasons, MSJ has quit again. 

We'll wait until they get enough D1 transfers who go to class, thus making them eligible for more than just their 1st year, and maybe the MSJ assistant coaches who voted unanimously to quit the series, will vote to play Thomas More again.

Or maybe with the way they can't beat Franklin now, these same coaches will seek permission from HCAC Officials to end the series with Franklin, also?

nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2014, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?
There are six Bridges which seperate the haves (TMC) from the have nots (MSJ) in the Cincinnati area.  The Bridge Bowl was just a funky, generic name given to a game between two first year programs in 1990.  The series was supposed to be a good one since both programs were brand new- it hasn't lived up to that billing as MSJ quit the series after the 1995 thrashing and renewed it in 2002 when they thought they were better equipped to play Thomas More.  After going 3-15 in the series, including 75-6 and 59-13 the past two seasons, MSJ has quit again. 

We'll wait until they get enough D1 transfers who go to class, thus making them eligible for more than just their 1st year, and maybe the MSJ assistant coaches who voted unanimously to quit the series, will vote to play Thomas More again.

Or maybe with the way they can't beat Franklin now, these same coaches will seek permission from HCAC Officials to end the series with Franklin, also?

nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

You can say it... and Thomas More to avoid W&J.  Although, Thomas More has only lost two straight to W&J ... and both games were AT W&J, somehow.  If they have to play them on the road again in 2015, then we'll know the fix is in. 

BUT, they would have to be approved by league officials -- with heavy lobbying by MSJ's President and probably the coaching staff.  I'm not sure about you, but I learned alot about myself playing football.  You get knocked down 17 times, you get up off the ground 17 times.  I'm not sure what the lesson is to their kids about facing adversity.  In my line of work, you can't avoid a potential customer just because they've been with the competition forever.  I view those situations as opportunities -- I don't ask my sales manager to adjust his expectations on my budget numbers by removing that customer from the group I am calling on.

Make sense?

And yes, Hanover being so bad absolutely didn't help Thomas More's SOS --- I'm not sure anyone saw that coming.  But I can tell you, they didn't quit on the field.  And I'd be willing to bet they will be on the schedule next season...along with St John Fisher coming to BOK Stadium as our other non-conference game.  I like Coach Hilvert's scheduling philosophy now that we don't have to play our not-as-accomplished neighbor.  His scheduling is much like Coach Leonard's.  And it will make the program better much like it has Franklin's. 

The only way to have a shot at getting up into the upper echelon of Division Three Football is to play teams from that level.  That's a big reason why Whitewater is where they are -- a series they played against Mount Union early on in this century.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

Why would we do that?  Wabash/Witt is a fantastic series.  It's intense, it always has major, season-defining ramifications, and the series and games are always neck and neck.  It's a rivalry in every sense of the word. 

I think it's funny how two games all of a sudden indicates ownage.  Witt won in 2013 and 2014 and it's supposed to be a crisis?  Wabash won in 2011 and 2012.  Two games isn't a big deal.  What IS a big deal is five (soon to be six) in a row.  That's time to hit the panic button if you're on the wrong end of that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2014, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

Why would we do that?  Wabash/Witt is a fantastic series.  It's intense, it always has major, season-defining ramifications, and the series and games are always neck and neck.  It's a rivalry in every sense of the word. 

I think it's funny how two games all of a sudden indicates ownage.  Witt won in 2013 and 2014 and it's supposed to be a crisis?  Wabash won in 2011 and 2012.  Two games isn't a big deal.  What IS a big deal is five (soon to be six) in a row.  That's time to hit the panic button if you're on the wrong end of that.
If you want to talk about one sided... Franklin is on a 9 game winning streak (05-present) over Hanover... which comes after Hanover had won 11 in a row (94-04) and 15 of 16 (89-04). When the Victory Bell moves, it makes itself at home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

Why would we do that?  Wabash/Witt is a fantastic series.  It's intense, it always has major, season-defining ramifications, and the series and games are always neck and neck.  It's a rivalry in every sense of the word. 

I think it's funny how two games all of a sudden indicates ownage.  Witt won in 2013 and 2014 and it's supposed to be a crisis?  Wabash won in 2011 and 2012.  Two games isn't a big deal.  What IS a big deal is five (soon to be six) in a row.  That's time to hit the panic button if you're on the wrong end of that.

I was making a joke. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2014, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

Why would we do that?  Wabash/Witt is a fantastic series.  It's intense, it always has major, season-defining ramifications, and the series and games are always neck and neck.  It's a rivalry in every sense of the word. 

I think it's funny how two games all of a sudden indicates ownage.  Witt won in 2013 and 2014 and it's supposed to be a crisis?  Wabash won in 2011 and 2012.  Two games isn't a big deal.  What IS a big deal is five (soon to be six) in a row.  That's time to hit the panic button if you're on the wrong end of that.

I was making a joke. ;D

Thats why I brought up TMC/W&J -- as a joke, also.  I laughed.  It was funny.  Good post.  +K
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2014, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

Why would we do that?  Wabash/Witt is a fantastic series.  It's intense, it always has major, season-defining ramifications, and the series and games are always neck and neck.  It's a rivalry in every sense of the word. 

I think it's funny how two games all of a sudden indicates ownage.  Witt won in 2013 and 2014 and it's supposed to be a crisis?  Wabash won in 2011 and 2012.  Two games isn't a big deal.  What IS a big deal is five (soon to be six) in a row.  That's time to hit the panic button if you're on the wrong end of that.

I was making a joke. ;D

Thats why I brought up TMC/W&J -- as a joke, also.  I laughed.  It was funny.  Good post.  +K

thanks for K as I got negative K earlier.  Bash folks are a sensitive lot.  Some of the post Witt post are nearly heartbreaking. It's tough to see an elite superior team win in every category except the score. LOL
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 10, 2014, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 10, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D

Why would we do that?  Wabash/Witt is a fantastic series.  It's intense, it always has major, season-defining ramifications, and the series and games are always neck and neck.  It's a rivalry in every sense of the word. 

I think it's funny how two games all of a sudden indicates ownage.  Witt won in 2013 and 2014 and it's supposed to be a crisis?  Wabash won in 2011 and 2012.  Two games isn't a big deal.  What IS a big deal is five (soon to be six) in a row.  That's time to hit the panic button if you're on the wrong end of that.

I was making a joke. ;D

Thats why I brought up TMC/W&J -- as a joke, also.  I laughed.  It was funny.  Good post.  +K

thanks for K as I got negative K earlier.  Bash folks are a sensitive lot.  Some of the post Witt post are nearly heartbreaking. It's tough to see an elite superior team win in every category except the score. LOL

We are, I must admit.  Sometimes too much so.  Saturday stung quite a bit.  I was just pointing out that Witt winning two in a row against Wabash isn't quite the same thing as MSJ/Thomas More.  I think Rochester bailed out on their game with SJF a few years ago for the same sorts of reasons (noncompetitive). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 07:06:18 PM

Saturday stung quite a bit.  I was just pointing out that Witt winning two in a row against Wabash isn't quite the same thing as MSJ/Thomas More.  I think Rochester bailed out on their game with SJF a few years ago for the same sorts of reasons (noncompetitive).

You're exactly right -- and I'm sure Wabash will just be using the feeling from this past Saturday in their next game against Witt next season.  That's really why Wabash/Witt isn't MSJ/Thomas More (besides the whole getting their doors blown off bit).  Wabash will use that experience to get better.  It would be more like DePauw quitting the Monon Bell (I know, I know) after 47-0 a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2014, 09:00:33 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2014, 07:06:18 PM

Saturday stung quite a bit.  I was just pointing out that Witt winning two in a row against Wabash isn't quite the same thing as MSJ/Thomas More.  I think Rochester bailed out on their game with SJF a few years ago for the same sorts of reasons (noncompetitive).

You're exactly right -- and I'm sure Wabash will just be using the feeling from this past Saturday in their next game against Witt next season.  That's really why Wabash/Witt isn't MSJ/Thomas More (besides the whole getting their doors blown off bit).  Wabash will use that experience to get better.  It would be more like DePauw quitting the Monon Bell (I know, I know) after 47-0 a couple years ago.

IMO it would be nice for the GRIZ to have 1-2 teams in the conference where the outcome was not generally assumed prior to the game.  MSJ used to be that team for Franklin.  If I were king for a day I would like to see Hanover rise back to the level they used to be and the end of the year game was a knock down dragout to see who would win the conference.  While the Victory Bell game is always a great social event the rivalry has certainly waned due to the disparity in talent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2014, 09:00:33 AM
IMO it would be nice for the GRIZ to have 1-2 teams in the conference where the outcome was not generally assumed prior to the game.  MSJ used to be that team for Franklin.  If I were king for a day I would like to see Hanover rise back to the level they used to be and the end of the year game was a knock down dragout to see who would win the conference.  While the Victory Bell game is always a great social event the rivalry has certainly waned due to the disparity in talent.

I see the point you're trying to make here.  And I agree 100%.  Luckily, Thomas More has Waynesburg and W&J to provide the true intrigue inside PAC Play.  Its not really the same thing with MSJ with respect to Thomas More.  Yeah, they won three times when Thomas More as a program was not where it is today -- there were some LEANER years.  Like in 2006 when a 5-4 Thomas More team (which had lost to Thiel, Waynesburg, Bethany and W&J in the PAC) beat an undefeated MSJ team that was talking about hosting their first ever PLAYOFF GAME in Delhi the following week. 

MSJ's "glory years" aren't really the same as Hanover's playoff years and the playoff committee would agree.  MSJ has never even had a home game in the playoffs and has never advanced to the 2nd round in the playoffs.  Even though the last few years of the Bridge Bowl were fun in a how many points can we score way, it would've been better if there was some intrigue.  As alums, we knew that if MSJ was on the schedule in 2014, it would've been the 7th straight win for Thomas More in the series and the third straight "name your score" game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2014, 12:02:23 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2014, 09:00:33 AM
IMO it would be nice for the GRIZ to have 1-2 teams in the conference where the outcome was not generally assumed prior to the game.  MSJ used to be that team for Franklin.  If I were king for a day I would like to see Hanover rise back to the level they used to be and the end of the year game was a knock down dragout to see who would win the conference.  While the Victory Bell game is always a great social event the rivalry has certainly waned due to the disparity in talent.
IMO, I thought that there were two games for Franklin this year where the outcome was not assumed prior to the game.  Both MSJ and Rose were tough fought games till the fourth quarter.  MSJ kept it tight even in the fourth.  Also, Manchester gave Franklin a tough game too.  I know that this is speaking for just this year, but it is exactly what you want.  I also believe both MSJ and RHIT will be bringing back better teams next year too. 
I don't see the HCAC being a top tier conference anytime soon, but I do believe it is getting better.  I don't think scheduling two top 25 teams is the answer to make the schools better.  They need to get better first and then once they can be good consistently like Franklin is, they can start scheduling the tougher teams to make their program take the next step. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2014, 12:52:40 PM
MSJ will have the opportunity to change 1 game. The Millsaps contract was for this year only. They may have the option of extending it but I think you'll see a different week 2 opponent for MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 13, 2014, 12:52:40 PM
MSJ will have the opportunity to change 1 game. The Millsaps contract was for this year only. They may have the option of extending it but I think you'll see a different week 2 opponent for MSJ.

Adam:  MSJ could go either way on the Millsaps contract.  They'll probably vote as a staff to extend it when they see that Millsaps only went 3 and whatever in 2014.  Until they realize they were one of the three. 

has_been:  MSJ can schedule whoever they want.  One of those Top 25 teams happens to be their biggest rival and they chickened out.  Again, the stated goal at the time of the staff vote on Thomas More was to be competitive for the HCAC Title.  They have no National aspirations, which is fine.  On the surface, losing to Thomas More the last 6 years in the final game doesn't affect their chances at the HCAC title - except when you figure in the recruiting aspect of it. 

Franklin is a better program than they were before they started playing those games.  Whitewater was 5-5 in 2001, 2000 and 3-7 in 1999.  They went 5-5 in 2002 - which was the first year they played Mount Union.  They then went 7-3 in both 2003 and 2004.  In 2005, they started their run of Stagg Bowl appearances. 

I firmly believe Bluffton is NEXT in the HCAC. 

RHIT needs defense and MSJ needs continuity. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
I don't think MSJ has the finances to do it next year. They would be traveling there and they already have road trips to Augustana and Manchester. The week 2 opponent would have to be someone close enough to drive the morning of, unless they make make Manchester a one-day trip and that would be brutal. With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out, TMC isn't coming back on the schedule for at least 4-5 years, if at all, and I doubt they would take on Wittenberg or Wabash at this point if they had an opening. Who's available?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
I don't think MSJ has the finances to do it next year. They would be traveling there and they already have road trips to Augustana and Manchester. The week 2 opponent would have to be someone close enough to drive the morning of, unless they make make Manchester a one-day trip and that would be brutal. With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out, TMC isn't coming back on the schedule for at least 4-5 years, if at all, and I doubt they would take on Wittenberg or Wabash at this point if they had an opening. Who's available?
I don't know who is looking but the closest other schools would include Centre, DePauw, and Ohio Wesleyan I think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
I don't think MSJ has the finances to do it next year. They would be traveling there and they already have road trips to Augustana and Manchester. The week 2 opponent would have to be someone close enough to drive the morning of, unless they make make Manchester a one-day trip and that would be brutal. With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out, TMC isn't coming back on the schedule for at least 4-5 years, if at all, and I doubt they would take on Wittenberg or Wabash at this point if they had an opening. Who's available?

maybe they can talk to Wilmington or maybe even talk St Rita's into fielding a football team in 2015 so they can have an opponent who doesn't scare them.

Wabash, Centre, Wittenburg are OUT.  NO WAY does Mount St Joe play them.  Even though the OAC is down and young for the most part, it would still be dangerous to schedule an OAC team.  They'll take any warm body -- remember they aren't trying to be competitive nationally so there's no limit to how bad a team they can schedule.

My guess is they'll go with a last place or 2nd to last MIAA team.  Especially if they have a coaches vote on it.

by the way -- did you see Ryan Tipps' take on the end of the Bridge Bowl?  They've lost some points nationally for ending it this time.  The only difference from last time is now there is a national audience through this website.  Rivalry games are good. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
Franklin is headed to Wabash... Hoosier showdown in the first round. Winner gets to head to our well known friends UW-Whitewater
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
Will be very interesting to see what Franklin can do against that Wabash D, which is a legit top 5 defense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 16, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out

There are usually a couple of OAC teams that have their bye week 1 and play their OOC game week 2.  I know BW has played Bluffton week 2 the last couple of years and I think Capital played Earlham week 2 this year. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2014, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
Will be very interesting to see what Franklin can do against that Wabash D, which is a legit top 5 defense.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
Franklin is headed to Wabash... Hoosier showdown in the first round. Winner gets to head to our well known friends UW-Whitewater

I would expect that there should be a huge crowd at the game since it is an "all Hoosier" first round-clash.  Could indeed be a very exciting game.  Good luck to both teams and you respective fans!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 10:14:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 16, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out

There are usually a couple of OAC teams that have their bye week 1 and play their OOC game week 2.  I know BW has played Bluffton week 2 the last couple of years and I think Capital played Earlham week 2 this year.

They won't play anyone but Wilma from the OAC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 16, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Cap stinks too.  As long as they can defend the triple option they should be fine. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FishHack76 on November 17, 2014, 02:24:52 AM
Franklin and 'Bash ... I think someone at the NCAA was daydreaming about old TNT shows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 17, 2014, 06:35:37 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
Will be very interesting to see what Franklin can do against that Wabash D, which is a legit top 5 defense.

D3 stats can be misleading.  I would say Bash is a 7 point home favorite if I had to wager but hard to say.  No common opponents and outside of Witt, Bash plays a similar lot of weaker teams.  Home field is the biggest factor IMO.  We shall see.  Whichever team emerges, UWW looms large.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 17, 2014, 09:37:46 AM
GRIZ-BACKER

Hampden Sydney won the ODAC conference and has likely the best wide receiver in all of D3 football in Mr. Walker.  Denison, DePauw, and OWU are not at the level of a Witt or a Wabash, but they would all beat up most of  the teams in the HCAC, meaning everyone but Franklin.  There were those who doubted Wabash's place as the top defense in D3 last year, including many H-S supporters that changed their tune in early September.

I expect a good game Saturday.  Franklin is a very good team.  Think about what UWW's defense did in your game early in the season and expect to see more of the same from the LG's.  48 sacks for -326 yards, number 1 in D3;  106 tackles for loss for -504 yards, number 4 in D3; and number 3 in D3 in total defense. 

Also remember the numbers 25 and 38.  With Franklin  ranked 95th in team rushing defense, you will likely think those are numbers of train locomotives next Saturday when they come running downhill with a full head of steam.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 17, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: firstdown on November 17, 2014, 09:37:46 AM
GRIZ-BACKER

Hampden Sydney won the ODAC conference and has likely the best wide receiver in all of D3 football in Mr. Walker.  Denison, DePauw, and OWU are not at the level of a Witt or a Wabash, but they would all beat up most of  the teams in the HCAC, meaning everyone but Franklin.  There were those who doubted Wabash's place as the top defense in D3 last year, including many H-S supporters that changed their tune in early September.

I expect a good game Saturday.  Franklin is a very good team.  Think about what UWW's defense did in your game early in the season and expect to see more of the same from the LG's.  48 sacks for -326 yards, number 1 in D3;  106 tackles for loss for -504 yards, number 4 in D3; and number 3 in D3 in total defense. 

Also remember the numbers 25 and 38.  With Franklin  ranked 95th in team rushing defense, you will likely think those are numbers of train locomotives next Saturday when they come running downhill with a full head of steam.

The first bolded statement, if Wabash does get by Franklin (and it won't be easy, never take Franklin lightly) I'm assuming Kumerow will be back and you haven't seen any WR until you see him. The man is beast mode incarnate.

As for Wabash having the best defense in D3 LAST year, that was definitly UWW. THIS year, they may have the best defense, but that's still up for grabs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 17, 2014, 11:06:31 AM
MasterJedi

Wabash was ranked statistically as number 1 in Total Defense in 2013 in Division 3.  This is a quantitative measure.  UWW had a great defense in 2013.  I didn't say that Wabash was the "best" defense last year, a qualitative measure.  The H-S folks wanted to get into the discussion of strength of the teams that UWW played versus  Wabash in 2013.  I have the greatest respect for UWW and their accomplishments on both sides of the ball so I won't get into a subjective discussion. H-S learned the hardway that Wabash's defense is the real deal.

Yes, I will stand by the statement that Holton Walker of Hampden-Sydney is the best wide receiver in Division 3.  He has speed, great hands, and height at 6'3" with a monster verticle jump.  There are many excellent wide receivers out there and Kumerow could well be on them, but I haven't seen one with all the tools like Walker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
I don't think MSJ has the finances to do it next year. They would be traveling there and they already have road trips to Augustana and Manchester. The week 2 opponent would have to be someone close enough to drive the morning of, unless they make make Manchester a one-day trip and that would be brutal. With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out, TMC isn't coming back on the schedule for at least 4-5 years, if at all, and I doubt they would take on Wittenberg or Wabash at this point if they had an opening. Who's available?

maybe they can talk to Wilmington or maybe even talk St Rita's into fielding a football team in 2015 so they can have an opponent who doesn't scare them.

Wabash, Centre, Wittenburg are OUT.  NO WAY does Mount St Joe play them.  Even though the OAC is down and young for the most part, it would still be dangerous to schedule an OAC team.  They'll take any warm body -- remember they aren't trying to be competitive nationally so there's no limit to how bad a team they can schedule.

My guess is they'll go with a last place or 2nd to last MIAA team.  Especially if they have a coaches vote on it.

by the way -- did you see Ryan Tipps' take on the end of the Bridge Bowl?  They've lost some points nationally for ending it this time.  The only difference from last time is now there is a national audience through this website.  Rivalry games are good.

I did not see the article. The MIAA is out. Too far to drive. Unless MSJ increases the football budget, week 2 will have to be someone close.

The reason why I believe TMC was ultimately dropped wasn't the beat down, though that certainly didn't help. MSJ would have dropped them had they been 1 point loses IMO. Thomas More was dropped because if MSJ wins the HCAC and loses to TMC, they don't get a home playoff game. They want to win the HCAC first and host a playoff game second. TMC has cost them that 2 times. The first goal is within reach and next years team will return 8-9 starters on offense and 7-8 on defense......at least on paper :)  For the sake of argument, let's say they put Hiram, Kenyon, Oberlin, etc. on the schedule and they finish 10-0 next year. Will they play a home playoff game in your opinion? Try to take the bias out of the argument. I think there's a chance not, but a far better chance that they would.

The secondary reason reason TMC is no longer on the schedule can be seen this year. Both teams are 8-2 and though TMC can certainly look to the past 2 years and tell recruits they are the better team, MSJ has a better chance at those recruits who are on the fence....because both teams are 8-2 and MSJ looks like they are getting better every year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 17, 2014, 03:20:51 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 17, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on November 15, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
I don't think MSJ has the finances to do it next year. They would be traveling there and they already have road trips to Augustana and Manchester. The week 2 opponent would have to be someone close enough to drive the morning of, unless they make make Manchester a one-day trip and that would be brutal. With it being a Week 2 slot, that makes opponents really limited. I think the OAC is out, TMC isn't coming back on the schedule for at least 4-5 years, if at all, and I doubt they would take on Wittenberg or Wabash at this point if they had an opening. Who's available?

maybe they can talk to Wilmington or maybe even talk St Rita's into fielding a football team in 2015 so they can have an opponent who doesn't scare them.

Wabash, Centre, Wittenburg are OUT.  NO WAY does Mount St Joe play them.  Even though the OAC is down and young for the most part, it would still be dangerous to schedule an OAC team.  They'll take any warm body -- remember they aren't trying to be competitive nationally so there's no limit to how bad a team they can schedule.

My guess is they'll go with a last place or 2nd to last MIAA team.  Especially if they have a coaches vote on it.

by the way -- did you see Ryan Tipps' take on the end of the Bridge Bowl?  They've lost some points nationally for ending it this time.  The only difference from last time is now there is a national audience through this website.  Rivalry games are good.

I did not see the article. The MIAA is out. Too far to drive. Unless MSJ increases the football budget, week 2 will have to be someone close.

The reason why I believe TMC was ultimately dropped wasn't the beat down, though that certainly didn't help. MSJ would have dropped them had they been 1 point loses IMO. Thomas More was dropped because if MSJ wins the HCAC and loses to TMC, they don't get a home playoff game. They want to win the HCAC first and host a playoff game second. TMC has cost them that 2 times. The first goal is within reach and next years team will return 8-9 starters on offense and 7-8 on defense......at least on paper :)  For the sake of argument, let's say they put Hiram, Kenyon, Oberlin, etc. on the schedule and they finish 10-0 next year. Will they play a home playoff game in your opinion? Try to take the bias out of the argument. I think there's a chance not, but a far better chance that they would.

The secondary reason reason TMC is no longer on the schedule can be seen this year. Both teams are 8-2 and though TMC can certainly look to the past 2 years and tell recruits they are the better team, MSJ has a better chance at those recruits who are on the fence....because both teams are 8-2 and MSJ looks like they are getting better every year.


All depends on what the North Region Committee thinks of them, I guess.  There is a 10-0 team on the road in this year's tournament.. and so there's that (yes I know they were Pool B).

My point is -- they dropped TMC because they cannot fathom how they would beat them.  Thats the major point here.  Forget the money from a home playoff game.  If you beat Thomas More, then you get a home game at 10-0. 

BTW, I believe the gate goes to the NCAA anyway from the playoff games.  I'm not sure how much profit there is to be made on hosting a playoff game.  Maybe someone smarter than me can weigh in on that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on November 17, 2014, 05:37:01 PM
As far as I know, all money from ticket sales to NCAA DIII Playoff Games goes directly to the NCAA, which in turn sends back a check to the home team for game-related expenses.  The visiting team also sends receipts for expenses to the NCAA, and they are reimbursed for the total.  The NCAA tells the visiting  team how much they can spend per participant, including players and personnel, travel, meals, hotel accommodations, etc.  The number of players and other team persons on the sidelines--players eligible to play--is limited.  The number of players permitted to dress for both the home and visiting teams is limited and equal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2014, 05:42:39 PM
Does parking revenue (if any) and concessions go to the NCAA or stay with the home team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2014, 06:02:09 PM
Parking and concessions stay with the host.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
I stand corrected.

Its still a SILLY, SILLY reason to quit an active rivalry that has gone as far as to have TWO trophies created for the winner.

And the way it was done in May was gutless.  Football teams take after their coaches personalities.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday?

We have no chance to win. We are just an HCAC team.  We are just glad to have a place to tailgate another weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 11:32:50 AM
#honest
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday?

We have no chance to win. We are just an HCAC team.  We are just glad to have a place to tailgate another weekend.

Yeah, you totally misread me.  I don't care what league you play in.  Good teams can exist in any league.  Franklin is good.  I'm genuinely curious to know what Franklin does well, what weaknesses they might see in Wabash to go after, etc.  I'm not trying to run you down here...just want to get some talk going about one of the more intriguing first round games on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Grizzlies-

The NCAA just made your wish come true.  You've wanted this game for years, now you've got it.  Let's get some takes here.  How is Franklin winning on Saturday?

We have no chance to win. We are just an HCAC team.  We are just glad to have a place to tailgate another weekend.

Yeah, you totally misread me.  I don't care what league you play in.  Good teams can exist in any league.  Franklin is good.  I'm genuinely curious to know what Franklin does well, what weaknesses they might see in Wabash to go after, etc.  I'm not trying to run you down here...just want to get some talk going about one of the more intriguing first round games on Saturday.

There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.  Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and good LB's. From a skill position perspective there is no one player that stands out.  3-4 RBs, 4-5 decent receivers.  A QB who is not flashy but can conistent throws and make plays with his feet.  The GRIZ are a solid overall team with no glaring weaknesses but no over the top strengths.  Many/most of the starters have been playing regular minutes for 2-3 seasons and have played against some of the best competition (the last 3 seasons the Griz have played Mount twice, Butler twice, UWW three times and UMHB once). Statistically an argument can be made that tilt towards Wabash and they do have home field.  I wouldn't want to wager a lot of money either way IMO.  My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.
Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.
Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game. On paper, it's 100-0.

If the line is Wabash -100 then I am thinking I might have to take the Griz and points.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 18, 2014, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.
Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game. On paper, it's 100-0.

If the line is Wabash -100 then I am thinking I might have to take the Griz and points.

If BashDad is making that line, I want in on it too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
Let's get real.

On paper, the line my prediction is 42-10. That's on paper.

In real life, I'd say it's somewhere around 31-17.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 18, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.  Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and good LB's. From a skill position perspective there is no one player that stands out.  3-4 RBs, 4-5 decent receivers.  A QB who is not flashy but can conistent throws and make plays with his feet.  The GRIZ are a solid overall team with no glaring weaknesses but no over the top strengths.  Many/most of the starters have been playing regular minutes for 2-3 seasons and have played against some of the best competition (the last 3 seasons the Griz have played Mount twice, Butler twice, UWW three times and UMHB once). Statistically an argument can be made that tilt towards Wabash and they do have home field.  I wouldn't want to wager a lot of money either way IMO.  My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

I'd like to address the bolded, and in particular the Franklin Grizzly defense, currently ranked 200th in Division III in total defense.  200 is not a ranking that gets "no glaring weaknesses" gloss.  That is a glaring weakness.  That is the lowest ranked total defense in the field of the 32.  I'll hang up and listen. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that.

Couldn't the same thing have been said about the Wabash/Witt game?  I know I was guilty of thinking Wabash would win by more than a score there.  That being said I still think Wabash wins by a couple scores Saturday.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that.

Couldn't the same thing have been said about the Wabash/Witt game?  I know I was guilty of thinking Wabash would win by more than a score there.  That being said I still think Wabash wins by a couple scores Saturday.   

Wittenberg has a stout defense, supported by rankings in the top 50 of all major defensive categories.  There was evidence going in to that game that Wabash might have trouble scoring a ton of points.  The deal there was grind out 2-3 TDs, don't give anything easy to Witt, and Wabash wins.  Did not accomplish the second part of that. 

Franklin's defense has been yielding yards and points aplenty all season long.  I don't know how/why that would stop on Saturday.  I think the onus here is on Welp to figure out how to score 30 on Wabash's defense- because I think it'll take that many to have a shot. 

Here are the list of teams Wabash played that give up as many or more yards per game than Franklin:
Oberlin
Allegheny
Full stop. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 12:49:18 PM
The fact that Wooster is not even on that list is not comforting if I'm a Grizz fan.

I'm basing this on only seeing Wabash play twice (HS, Witt) but if I'm a Franklin fan my best case scenario is:  sell out to stop the run, force 3rd and long and hope that Putko makes a couple mistakes that give me a short field, convert those turnovers into points.  A lot of moving pieces there, but they can't let Wabash run the ball at will or else it's not going to go well at all IMO.  It keeps the Wabash D fresh, it eats the clock and, in turn, adds even more pressure on the Franklin offense to put points up on each of their limited number of drives.  That's not a recipe for success.   

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 18, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 12:49:18 PM
The fact that Wooster is not even on that list is not comforting if I'm a Grizz fan.

I'm basing this on only seeing Wabash play twice (HS, Witt) but if I'm a Franklin fan my best case scenario is:  sell out to stop the run, force 3rd and long and hope that Putko makes a couple mistakes that give me a short field, convert those turnovers into points.  A lot of moving pieces there, but they can't let Wabash run the ball at will or else it's not going to go well at all IMO.  It keeps the Wabash D fresh, it eats the clock and, in turn, adds even more pressure on the Franklin offense to put points up on each of their limited number of drives.  That's not a recipe for success.   


Dr Acula - you are describing Wittenberg's game plan which worked because of their high quality defense.  It is going to be very difficult for a defense ranked 200 in Division 3 to duplicate this. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 03:09:15 PM
Agreed.  I'm not saying it's likely, but it's still their best chance.  They need short fields somehow.  Turnovers, punt returns, something.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2014, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: firstdown on November 18, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 12:49:18 PM
The fact that Wooster is not even on that list is not comforting if I'm a Grizz fan.

I'm basing this on only seeing Wabash play twice (HS, Witt) but if I'm a Franklin fan my best case scenario is:  sell out to stop the run, force 3rd and long and hope that Putko makes a couple mistakes that give me a short field, convert those turnovers into points.  A lot of moving pieces there, but they can't let Wabash run the ball at will or else it's not going to go well at all IMO.  It keeps the Wabash D fresh, it eats the clock and, in turn, adds even more pressure on the Franklin offense to put points up on each of their limited number of drives.  That's not a recipe for success.   


Dr Acula - you are describing Wittenberg's game plan which worked because of their high quality defense.  It is going to be very difficult for a defense ranked 200 in Division 3 to duplicate this.

right -- but if you had the players and season Franklin has had ... what would YOU do differently from THAT?  That's the recipe used to hand Wabash their only defeat in 2014.   I don't think Franklin wins this game, but their only shot is stop the run and hope the Wabash QB makes some mistakes. 

I think BashDad's 31-17 is about right.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 18, 2014, 03:44:05 PM
SaintsFan

The long range forecast for Saturday in C'Ville is for rain and drizzle with temp's in the 40's.  While it is true that a slippery football can take some funny bounces, it also impacts the passing game to a degree.  Wabash does have its ground attack to rely upon, with Holmes and Zurek being pretty sure handed and will eat up a lot of yardage and clock.  Wabash faced similar conditions at Hiram a couple of weeks ago  and handled it pretty well.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 18, 2014, 04:15:47 PM
Of course the Grizzlies are underdogs, they are on the road in the playoffs! 

I think 31-17 is about right. 

However, the GRIZ were also 14-21 point underdogs going into the Otterbein (only loss was to UMU) playoff game in 2008 (a 62-45 GRIZ win), a 21 point underdog at undefeated #5 North Central in 2008 playoff (a 38-28 GRIZ win), a 14 point underdog at Adrian in 2012 playoffs (a 41-10 GRIZ win), and we were also told that the GRIZ shouldn't expect to win home playoff games against Thomas More (2011) and Wash U (top 10 defense in 2013) - both Grizzly victories! 

I am just hoping for a good, safe game and a game which makes Indiana football proud!   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 18, 2014, 04:15:47 PM
Of course the Grizzlies are underdogs, they are on the road in the playoffs! 

I think 31-17 is about right. 

However, the GRIZ were also 14-21 point underdogs going into the Otterbein (only loss was to UMU) playoff game in 2008 (a 62-45 GRIZ win), a 21 point underdog at undefeated #5 North Central in 2008 playoff (a 38-28 GRIZ win), a 14 point underdog at Adrian in 2012 playoffs (a 41-10 GRIZ win), and we were also told that the GRIZ shouldn't expect to win home playoff games against Thomas More (2011) and Wash U (top 10 defense in 2013) - both Grizzly victories! 

I am just hoping for a good, safe game and a game which makes Indiana football proud!

Wait, what?  Who told you Franklin shouldn't beat Washington last year?  That person isn't credible and you need to reevaluate your relationship with that person. 

Also not sure that the -14 against Adrian was a real thing.  The others I can kind of see (the 2008 line vs. Ott is weird, but to be honest, y'all were still not quite getting the shine you deserved in 2008). 

If the Grizz get 62 on Saturday, I'll rock an FC avatar until the champion is crowned in Salem. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 18, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 18, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 18, 2014, 04:15:47 PM
Of course the Grizzlies are underdogs, they are on the road in the playoffs! 

I think 31-17 is about right. 

However, the GRIZ were also 14-21 point underdogs going into the Otterbein (only loss was to UMU) playoff game in 2008 (a 62-45 GRIZ win), a 21 point underdog at undefeated #5 North Central in 2008 playoff (a 38-28 GRIZ win), a 14 point underdog at Adrian in 2012 playoffs (a 41-10 GRIZ win), and we were also told that the GRIZ shouldn't expect to win home playoff games against Thomas More (2011) and Wash U (top 10 defense in 2013) - both Grizzly victories! 

I am just hoping for a good, safe game and a game which makes Indiana football proud!

Wait, what?  Who told you Franklin shouldn't beat Washington last year?  That person isn't credible and you need to reevaluate your relationship with that person. 

Also not sure that the -14 against Adrian was a real thing.  The others I can kind of see (the 2008 line vs. Ott is weird, but to be honest, y'all were still not quite getting the shine you deserved in 2008). 

If the Grizz get 62 on Saturday, I'll rock an FC avatar until the champion is crowned in Salem.

I love when the "disrespect" card gets played when it isn't a real thing.

The Griz definitely were underdogs in the 2008 games.  Maybe even in the 2011 game vs. Thomas More.

No way they were a 14-point dog vs. Adrian in 2012.  That Adrian team lost its opener to Carthage, squeaked its way to the MIAA title, and won its last two regular-season games by a single point both times.  Who had them favored by 14 points in a playoff game?

WashU last year...I thought that game was a toss-up (which, ya know, it was).  WashU's defense was legit.  But I didn't see anyone saying that Franklin was an underdog in the game.

The "NOBODY BELIEVES IN US" card is a powerful thing, to be sure, but it's kind of funny to see this revisionist history.  Franklin was not an underdog in ALL of those games.  Some, sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2014, 05:36:42 PM
2013 Franklin playoff team capsule:
How far can they go?   Depends on whether Week 1 Franklin or Week 10 Franklin shows up.

2012 Franklin playoff team capsule:
How far can they go?   One win is possible.

2011 Franklin playoff team capsule:
How far can they go?   Well, they know what the road looks like. And UW-Whitewater gets a return game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
Oops, also found this from Triple Take 2013:

Ryan's take: Washington U. 28, Franklin 24
Keith's take: Franklin 28, Washington U. 23
Pat's take: Franklin 18, Washington U. 14
Consensus: Split decision, a toss-up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on November 18, 2014, 06:26:31 PM
As long as we are striving for accuracy, yes, that was the Witt game plan.  Here's how it worked out.  Wabash total offense, 352; Witt, 216.  Wabash passing 129; Witt, 157 (more than 100 yards below their average per game).  Wabash rushing, 223 (so much for crowding the LOS); Witt, 59.  Wabash sacked Jenkins 6X
     Wittenberg won on a blocked punt and a resulting very short field, and then picked up a fumble and returned it for a TD.  They had one long drive, resulting in a TD, in the second half.  That accounts for their 21 points.  To their credit, despite the huge discrepancy in yards, they were opportunistic.  And they did keep Wabash out of the end zone successfully.  A crucial holding call deep in Witt territory late in the game when Wabash had run for a 1st down also helped them. So it goes. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Let's just take a couple more whacks at this Franklin defense.

These are the teams who had their best or second best offensive performance against the Grizzlies:

IWU       (495 yards; 2nd most on the year; +123 against their offensive average)
UWW     (548; 2nd; +75)
Anderson    (349; 2nd; +87)
Earlham     (424; 2nd; +74)
Hanover     (590; 2nd; +195)

The rest of their schedule:

Bluffton       (270; 8th best; -86)
Manchester    (480; 5th; +34)
Mt St Jo       (450; 3rd; +1)
Rose-Hulman    (370; 9th; -127)
Defiance       (351; 4th; +7)

So.

In half their games, Franklin allowed for an opponent's second best offensive performance of the season. 

In 8 games, they allowed an opponent to exceed their season offensive average. The margin was, on average, +75. In other words, Franklin's opponent usually improved on their season average by around 75 yards. 

You see where this is going, I'm sure. Wabash's offensive average is 449 yards a game. This is what they've done:

1. Allegheny    (611 yards) Wab: +162 v offensive avg               Allegheny +129 vs their defensive avg
2. Oberlin       (604) Wab: +155                                 Oberlin: +144
3. OWU       (511) Wab: +61                                   OWU: +103
4. Hiram       (489) Wab: +40                                   Hiram: +70
5. Kenyon       (425) Wab: -24                                      Kenyon: +18
6. Denison    (413) Wab: -36                                      Denison: +78
7. Depauw    (397) Wab: -52                                      Depauw: +87
8. Wooster      (364) Wab: -85                                Wooster: -30
9. Wittenberg    (352) Wab: -97                                      Wittenberg: +75
10. HSC       (321) Wab: -128                                  HSC: -50

In each game, Wabash remained roughly 100 yards from their offensive average in both directions. Their highest output was 611; lowest was 321. 

In 8 games, Wabash produced more offense than their opponent's defensive average (including Wittenberg, the best defense they faced all year). The margin was, on average, +72. In other words, Wabash usually produced around 72 more yards than an opponent was accustomed to giving up. 

Franklin gives up an average of 431 yards of total offense. 

1. Let's presume that Franklin allows, as they have 8 times this season, Wabash to gain 75 more yards than their season average. That would be 524 yards.

2. Let's presume that Wabash produces, as they have done 8 times this season (including against the best opponent they've faced), 72 more yards than their opponent is accustomed to. Against Franklin, that would be 503 yards.

3. Let's guess that, as over half Franklin's opponent's have done, Wabash produces at least their third highest offensive total of the year. That would be 511 yards.

Seeing a pattern here?

Guess what the average amount of points Wabash scores in games where they produce over 500 yards.

It's 60.

For Franklin to keep it close, they better hope for turnovers and big chunks of yards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 19, 2014, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: BashDad on November 18, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Let's just take a couple more whacks at this Franklin defense.

These are the teams who had their best or second best offensive performance against the Grizzlies:

IWU       (495 yards; 2nd most on the year; +123 against their offensive average)
UWW     (548; 2nd; +75)
Anderson    (349; 2nd; +87)
Earlham     (424; 2nd; +74)
Hanover     (590; 2nd; +195)

The rest of their schedule:

Bluffton       (270; 8th best; -86)
Manchester    (480; 5th; +34)
Mt St Jo       (450; 3rd; +1)
Rose-Hulman    (370; 9th; -127)
Defiance       (351; 4th; +7)

So.

In half their games, Franklin allowed for an opponent's second best offensive performance of the season.

In 8 games, they allowed an opponent to exceed their season offensive average. The margin was, on average, +75. In other words, Franklin's opponent usually improved on their season average by around 75 yards.

You see where this is going, I'm sure. Wabash's offensive average is 449 yards a game. This is what they've done:

1. Allegheny    (611 yards) Wab: +162 v offensive avg               Allegheny +129 vs their defensive avg
2. Oberlin       (604) Wab: +155                                 Oberlin: +144
3. OWU       (511) Wab: +61                                   OWU: +103
4. Hiram       (489) Wab: +40                                   Hiram: +70
5. Kenyon       (425) Wab: -24                                      Kenyon: +18
6. Denison    (413) Wab: -36                                      Denison: +78
7. Depauw    (397) Wab: -52                                      Depauw: +87
8. Wooster      (364) Wab: -85                                Wooster: -30
9. Wittenberg    (352) Wab: -97                                      Wittenberg: +75
10. HSC       (321) Wab: -128                                  HSC: -50

In each game, Wabash remained roughly 100 yards from their offensive average in both directions. Their highest output was 611; lowest was 321.

In 8 games, Wabash produced more offense than their opponent's defensive average (including Wittenberg, the best defense they faced all year). The margin was, on average, +72. In other words, Wabash usually produced around 72 more yards than an opponent was accustomed to giving up.

Franklin gives up an average of 431 yards of total offense.

1. Let's presume that Franklin allows, as they have 8 times this season, Wabash to gain 75 more yards than their season average. That would be 524 yards.

2. Let's presume that Wabash produces, as they have done 8 times this season (including against the best opponent they've faced), 72 more yards than their opponent is accustomed to. Against Franklin, that would be 503 yards.

3. Let's guess that, as over half Franklin's opponent's have done, Wabash produces at least their third highest offensive total of the year. That would be 511 yards.

Seeing a pattern here?

Guess what the average amount of points Wabash scores in games where they produce over 500 yards.

It's 60.

For Franklin to keep it close, they better hope for turnovers and big chunks of yards.

I agree the FC defense is young and not very good.  Franklin has never really had a great defense, they are built to score points.  I would throw out the IWU game as a reference.  The Titans have an excellent starting QB (Jack Warner) and he missed the next four and a half games with an injury.  IWU alternated two WRs at QB during that span and they generated very little offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2014, 09:14:22 AM
Actually, they played a cornerback under center in one of those games. That was pretty widely discussed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 19, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
So it seems to be fairly straight forward....   Franklin's offense needs to score a ton of points on a good/great Wabash defense that has not given up more than 21 to any team this year.

Turnovers, timely Wabash penalties and maybe a trick play or two might be needed to level this playing field in this one.   Leonard is a smart/good coach and I am sure he will get his team as ready as they can be for what they will face on Saturday.

Wish the game was tomorrow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HCAlum86 on November 19, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
Franklin is going to be extremely vulnerable to explosive plays of 25+ in the play action game if Wabash is able to get 4-5 YPC production out of their running game. If Franklin does not have to commit 7 or 8 to the box, they fair a much better chance of surviving.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
My goodness! Would it be fair to say that Wabash is going to win this game? 

I am super happy for you guys (Wabash faithful) to be proud of your program, but is there a need to spend this much time proving that you are going to beat an inferior program.  Since this game is already a done deal, maybe you should all head over to the WIAC page and start telling the UW-W fans how your stats are better than there's?

I hope that Franklin does bring their A game this Saturday and plays some tough nose football!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 12:16:46 PM
For once, it would be fun if someone actually participated in these conversations and pushed back just a little bit instead of crossing your arms and trotting out the same, tired I guess there's no reason to play the game BS. That's so boring. I have to do both sides of the argument? Really? I don't want to. I dislike Franklin. I don't actually want to investigate why they might make this a game. You do it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 12:16:46 PM
For once, it would be fun if someone actually participated in these conversations and pushed back just a little bit instead of crossing your arms and trotting out the same, tired I guess there's no reason to play the game BS. That's so boring. I have to do both sides of the argument? Really? I don't want to. I dislike Franklin. I don't actually want to investigate why they might make this a game. You do it.

There is no point wasting time discussing anything with condenscending myopic posters such as yourself.  You have stated your case, your statistics, and your views several different ways.  We all get it.(Wabash is vastly superior in every phase of the game and Franklin has little chance and on paper will be fodder on the march to the next round).  I personally dont dislike Wabash.  Know several alums.  Great school, etc.  But I do find it hard to like disrespectful folks such as yourself.  I dont intend to waste time pouring over stats.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 01:02:24 PM
Awesome. Enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Come on, GRIZ_BACKER !!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 12:16:46 PM
For once, it would be fun if someone actually participated in these conversations and pushed back just a little bit instead of crossing your arms and trotting out the same, tired I guess there's no reason to play the game BS. That's so boring. I have to do both sides of the argument? Really? I don't want to. I dislike Franklin. I don't actually want to investigate why they might make this a game. You do it.

I'll play, then.  Just to provide a contrarian viewpoint for discussion fodder.

The case for why Franklin might make this a game:

1. Franklin's seniors have played a lot of big games.  They have won a playoff game in each of the last three seasons.  They have played UWW, Mount Union, and UMHB over the last few years (UWW and Mount multiple times each).  They haven't beaten any of them, of course, but they've played them, and in a few cases, they've traded a few punches before going down.  They're not likely to be intimidated by the prospect of a tough opponent.  Furthermore, they've shown a tendency to play a little up or down to the competition...which means they can lose to Bluffton in the same year they almost beat Mount Union on the road and advance to the second round of the playoffs. 

Strangely, I would look at that last fact and kind of toss all those offense/defense stats BashDad compiled out the window.  Last year Franklin actually lost a game to Bluffton and then won a playoff game.  Something about these dudes. 

2. QB Grant Welp is playing, welp, some pretty good ball.  His passing stats are actually slightly better than Jonny West's from last season.  67% completions, 8+ YPA, 31-7 TD/INT ratio is nothing to sneeze at.  Even in the HCAC.  He also managed to put two touchdowns on the board in the first quarter against UWW, who then proceeded to allow two touchdowns total in their next five games.  Wabash has a fantastic defense.  But if the dude can dent UWW's defense, I'll say that he at least has a chance to dent the LG defense, too.  Note that I said "dent" - not necessarily light them up all day.

3. A bunch of different dudes catch passes and score touchdowns.  Not just one target you have to take away.

4. Finally, a comment that could get me slammed: I'll argue that Wabash has to prove they can win a big game more than Franklin does.  Wabash is the team that's lost their biggest game of the season the last two years.  Wabash is the team that cost themselves a playoff berth with two losses to .500 teams from the NCAC in 2012.  Wabash is the team that hasn't won a playoff game since the current seniors were freshmen.  The Grizz have been in the round of 16 three years running.  Whether that's a fluke of schedule or a weak conference or an act of God, that has happened.  Why is Franklin the team with something to prove in this game? 

I know the game is being played between the 2014 teams and that 2013/2012's results should, theoretically, have little to do with evaluation of a 2014 matchup.  I make that point all the time.  But we've seen a pattern a few years running now where Franklin has raised their level in the playoffs, regardless of the regular season result, while Wabash has not been in the dance.  Wabash may be the better side.  The paper stats certainly say so.  But Wabash still is the team with more to prove this weekend than Franklin, IMO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Come on, GRIZ_BACKER !!

I dont mind spirited discussion etc, but the tone of one certain poster gets old.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 19, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 12:16:46 PM
For once, it would be fun if someone actually participated in these conversations and pushed back just a little bit instead of crossing your arms and trotting out the same, tired I guess there's no reason to play the game BS. That's so boring. I have to do both sides of the argument? Really? I don't want to. I dislike Franklin. I don't actually want to investigate why they might make this a game. You do it.

There is no point wasting time discussing anything with condenscending myopic posters such as yourself.  You have stated your case, your statistics, and your views several different ways.  We all get it.(Wabash is vastly superior in every phase of the game and Franklin has little chance and on paper will be fodder on the march to the next round).  I personally dont dislike Wabash.  Know several alums.  Great school, etc.  But I do find it hard to like disrespectful folks such as yourself.  I dont intend to waste time pouring over stats.

That's weak.  You guys have been begging for this game for years.  Now you've got it and you've got nothing to say?  I don't get it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 01:43:21 PM

4. Finally, a comment that could get me slammed: I'll argue that Wabash has to prove they can win a big game more than Franklin does.  Wabash is the team that's lost their biggest game of the season the last two years. Wabash is the team that cost themselves a playoff berth with two losses to .500 teams from the NCAC in 2012.  Wabash is the team that hasn't won a playoff game since the current seniors were freshmen.  The Grizz have been in the round of 16 three years running.  Whether that's a fluke of schedule or a weak conference or an act of God, that has happened.  Why is Franklin the team with something to prove in this game? 


This. Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:07:15 PM
And thank you, ExTP. You're one of the good guys. Respect.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Come on, GRIZ_BACKER !!

I dont mind spirited discussion etc, but the tone of one certain poster gets old.

Well said Ex TP (let the record show one of those playoff wins was against a tough Thomas More outfit.  The GRIZ had to hold off a TM drive late to advance.).  A little research of the box scores from the last Wabash playoff year indicates only 4-5 players actually recorded any stats and most of those occured in the first game with IL college. While it may or may not be a factor, playoff experience is limited.

While Wittenberg and Wabash have consistently won a lot of games and have owned the NCAC, the rest of that conference is not that much better than the HCAC.  The conference rankings indicate that not a lot of distance between the two (having two perennial playoff contenders vs one is the real difference).  Witt traditionally schedules the same difficult pre-conference with the same results as Franklin. (scores compare as well).  This is the first year in a while that Wabash has stepped up pre-conference. and HS was not proven to be a world beater down the stretch.  Franklin has Butler and IWU next season so the trend continues to provide a meaasuring stick prior to HCAC

HCAC is starting to improve.  Rose Hulman has made strides as well as Bluffton.  Manchester has proven to be a tough out as well.  MSJ is on the rise too.  even Hanover made a QB change (I think and has amped up the offense)  Like a I said, Wabash is the favorite based on defensive consistency, stayed in the game with Witt, and is playing at home. (along with Franklin's propensity to give up some big plays.  Keep in mind the Leonard also calls off the dogs early and the defensive starters are young and the second string even younger)  The line would certainly favor Wabash by at least a score (maybe 2-3 points more).  But I don't agree with some of the unfounded over the top noise related to potential blowouts or UWW being "vulnerable"  Wabash does not have a high quality win since they beat Witt in 2012 and even then they didnt make the show. And other than Witt havent played any of the power teams since 2011.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 01:43:21 PM

4. Finally, a comment that could get me slammed: I'll argue that Wabash has to prove they can win a big game more than Franklin does.  Wabash is the team that's lost their biggest game of the season the last two years. Wabash is the team that cost themselves a playoff berth with two losses to .500 teams from the NCAC in 2012.  Wabash is the team that hasn't won a playoff game since the current seniors were freshmen.  The Grizz have been in the round of 16 three years running.  Whether that's a fluke of schedule or a weak conference or an act of God, that has happened.  Why is Franklin the team with something to prove in this game? 


This. Couldn't agree more.

It's a bit of an oddball thing to point out because it's not really a quantifiable characteristic like run defense or pass offense or whatever.  But this, IMO, is the biggest thing sticking out as why it's a toss-up.  Everything on paper from 2014 says Wabash is probably a better team, but we have a class of Franklin seniors that has won their first-round playoff game every season they've been in school (the list of other D3 teams in the 2014 playoffs who can say that: Mount Union, Wesley, UMHB, Linfield, Franklin.  Seriously, that's it).

This isn't necessarily a reason that Franklin will beat Wabash.  If anything, it suggests that the pendulum probably ought to swing the other way and it's about time Wabash actually wins the big game.  But it's the best angle I can come up with.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
More TONE!

1. The playoffs are not, as has been insinuated a couple times in the last several posts, some new season that plays by its own rules. That's outside-looking-in narrative spinning. Or lazy rah-rah from the inside. That's not the reality. Your team is your team. You play other teams. Period.

2. Franklin hasn't had a good win since 2008, so I just might stop playing THAT card. Thomas More maybe counts. Maybe. But playing good teams doesn't make yours one through osmosis. Not how it works. Your program has been bolstered by playing the UMUs of the world--you've gotten better players--and you and your Grizz brethren have clearly enjoyed some inflated sense of positioning on the national scene, but 90% of that is noise.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
3. I don't care what HSC's record is now. That was absolutely a big game. And Wabash won.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 19, 2014, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
3. I don't care what HSC's record is now. That was absolutely a big game. And Wabash won.

As a sop to this, I'll simply say H-SC was a better team at the beginning of the season than they appear to be now. Whether that is fatigue or injuries or just a lack of depth I don't know, but H-SC was a good team when Wabash shut them down week 1. But... this weekend is a bigger game...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
More TONE!

1. The playoffs are not, as has been insinuated a couple times in the last several posts, some new season that plays by its own rules. That's outside-looking-in narrative spinning. Or lazy rah-rah from the inside. That's not the reality. Your team is your team. You play other teams. Period.

2. Franklin hasn't had a good win since 2008, so I just might stop playing THAT card. Thomas More maybe counts. Maybe. But playing good teams doesn't make yours one through osmosis. Not how it works. Your program has been bolstered by playing the UMUs of the world--you've gotten better players--and you and your Grizz brethren have clearly enjoyed some inflated sense of positioning on the national scene, but 90% of that is noise.

over the last six seasons Wabash is 2-4 against Witt and has one quality playoff win North Central in 2011.  Other than scheduling Hampton Sydney (7-3) what other good wins does Wabash have?  How is it that Wabash in the last 4-5 years is materially positioned higher on the national scene? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
Didn't say they were higher.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:42:14 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
Franklin hasn't had a good win since 2008, so I just might stop playing THAT card. Thomas More maybe counts. Maybe. But playing good teams doesn't make yours one through osmosis. Not how it works. Your program has been bolstered by playing the UMUs of the world--you've gotten better players--and you and your Grizz brethren have clearly enjoyed some inflated sense of positioning on the national scene, but 90% of that is noise.

To continue the discussion...

The point that Franklin has not had a "good" win since 2008, I guess, depends on your definition of "good" - I see that you're using a higher bar than merely "playoff win" because Franklin's playoff wins have not come against power conferences or teams (WashU, Adrian, Thomas More).  Fine.  What's the last win Wabash had that's definitely better than any of those?  The HSC win this year, given that the Tigers enter the playoff field at 7-3 (and not because of their brutal conference), looks about the same as any of those Franklin playoff wins.  I'd say maybe 2012 Wittenberg.  But if you're setting the bar high enough to discount playoff wins, almost nobody notches a "good" win in a given season by that definition.

Re: the "playing good teams doesn't make yours one through osmosis" - sure, but being on the field with UWW, UWW again, Mount, UMHB, Mount again, UWW again, UWW a fourth time (jesus, I didn't realize til now that they'd played UWW four times in the last four years) has to eventually, at the very least, make your dudes a little less likely to crap their pants at the sight of another really good team.  They got kicked to the curb in several of those games, but the most recent variants have featured a touch more competition (close shave with Mount last year and this year's first-quarter lead vs. UWW). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
More TONE!

1. The playoffs are not, as has been insinuated a couple times in the last several posts, some new season that plays by its own rules. That's outside-looking-in narrative spinning. Or lazy rah-rah from the inside. That's not the reality. Your team is your team. You play other teams. Period.

2. Franklin hasn't had a good win since 2008, so I just might stop playing THAT card. Thomas More maybe counts. Maybe. But playing good teams doesn't make yours one through osmosis. Not how it works. Your program has been bolstered by playing the UMUs of the world--you've gotten better players--and you and your Grizz brethren have clearly enjoyed some inflated sense of positioning on the national scene, but 90% of that is noise.

over the last six seasons Wabash is 2-4 against Witt and has one quality playoff win North Central in 2011.  Other than scheduling Hampton Sydney (7-3) what other good wins does Wabash have?  How is it that Wabash in the last 4-5 years is materially positioned higher on the national scene? 

The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while. So are those Witt victories. And as long as we're playing the program measuring stick game, Wabash has, I'm guessing, way more wins against ranked teams than Franklin does in the same span (I'm thinking an undefeated Depauw team in 2010, North Central in 2011, Witt in 2012, HSC in 2014 -- are there others?). They also have a better playoff record. So.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Come on, GRIZ_BACKER !!

I dont mind spirited discussion etc, but the tone of one certain poster gets old.

See?  That wasn't so bad... I'm enjoying reading this as I'm stuck at work.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while.

Are we sure about this?  I'll admit that I thought HSC was really good and that it was a big win in week 1.  HSC is now a 7-3 team coming out of the ODAC.  Are we sure that's better than an 8-2 UAA team (2013 WashU; this team also took a 7-0 lead into the fourth quarter at UWW), a 9-1 MIAA team (2012 Adrian...actually, this team really did benefit from an especially-bad year in the MIAA), or a 9-1 PAC team (Thomas More, who was coming off two straight 11-1, round-of-16 seasons)?

That was a good win, but let's not pretend that gives Wabash some super-secret edge in winning big games that Franklin lacks.

Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.

Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while.

Are we sure about this?  I'll admit that I thought HSC was really good and that it was a big win in week 1.  HSC is now a 7-3 team coming out of the ODAC.  Are we sure that's better than an 8-2 UAA team (2013 WashU; this team also took a 7-0 lead into the fourth quarter at UWW), a 9-1 MIAA team (2012 Adrian...actually, this team really did benefit from an especially-bad year in the MIAA), or a 9-1 PAC team (Thomas More, who was coming off two straight 11-1, round-of-16 seasons)?

That was a good win, but let's not pretend that gives Wabash some super-secret edge in winning big games that Franklin lacks.

Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.

Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

Franklin is 5-5 and Bash 3-3 in playoff wins in the 6 seasons prior to this. Both teams advanced to the third round once in that time span.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.
Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

I'll take Wabash's roster over Franklin's. I just don't see what it matters that Franklin has dudes who've been to the show. That's of negligible importance, especially when they are playing a team who's basically been in the playoffs the past three weeks and is coming off a game that trumps whatever atmospheric upgrade comes along with, like, laminated sideline passes and post-game press conferences.

Franklin got some extra days of practice last year in November. That's what those guys got. That's it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2014, 03:03:19 PM
FWIW --

In 2011, Thomas More was 9-1 and on the road at Franklin only because they inexplicably turned the ball over 3 times against a .500 Waynesburg outfit in their 9th game-- all while their starting QB had an epic meltdown on the bench during the Waynesburg game.

They should've been 10-0 that regular season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while.

Are we sure about this?  I'll admit that I thought HSC was really good and that it was a big win in week 1.  HSC is now a 7-3 team coming out of the ODAC.  Are we sure that's better than an 8-2 UAA team (2013 WashU; this team also took a 7-0 lead into the fourth quarter at UWW), a 9-1 MIAA team (2012 Adrian...actually, this team really did benefit from an especially-bad year in the MIAA), or a 9-1 PAC team (Thomas More, who was coming off two straight 11-1, round-of-16 seasons)?

That was a good win, but let's not pretend that gives Wabash some super-secret edge in winning big games that Franklin lacks.

Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.

Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

Franklin is 5-5 and Bash 3-3 in playoff wins in the 6 seasons prior to this. Both teams advanced to the third round once in that time span.

HAHAHAHA -- Yes, dude. Your point DOES look better when you cut off the sample at six seasons. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while.

Are we sure about this?  I'll admit that I thought HSC was really good and that it was a big win in week 1.  HSC is now a 7-3 team coming out of the ODAC.  Are we sure that's better than an 8-2 UAA team (2013 WashU; this team also took a 7-0 lead into the fourth quarter at UWW), a 9-1 MIAA team (2012 Adrian...actually, this team really did benefit from an especially-bad year in the MIAA), or a 9-1 PAC team (Thomas More, who was coming off two straight 11-1, round-of-16 seasons)?

That was a good win, but let's not pretend that gives Wabash some super-secret edge in winning big games that Franklin lacks.

Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.

Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

Franklin is 5-5 and Bash 3-3 in playoff wins in the 6 seasons prior to this. Both teams advanced to the third round once in that time span.

HAHAHAHA -- Yes, dude. Your point DOES look better when you cut off the sample at six seasons. Hilarious.

OK then, let's cut it at three seasons, the point at which any players currently on the roster could be there.

Franklin: 3-3
Wabash: 2-1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while.

Are we sure about this?  I'll admit that I thought HSC was really good and that it was a big win in week 1.  HSC is now a 7-3 team coming out of the ODAC.  Are we sure that's better than an 8-2 UAA team (2013 WashU; this team also took a 7-0 lead into the fourth quarter at UWW), a 9-1 MIAA team (2012 Adrian...actually, this team really did benefit from an especially-bad year in the MIAA), or a 9-1 PAC team (Thomas More, who was coming off two straight 11-1, round-of-16 seasons)?

That was a good win, but let's not pretend that gives Wabash some super-secret edge in winning big games that Franklin lacks.

Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.

Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

Franklin is 5-5 and Bash 3-3 in playoff wins in the 6 seasons prior to this. Both teams advanced to the third round once in that time span.

HAHAHAHA -- Yes, dude. Your point DOES look better when you cut off the sample at six seasons. Hilarious.

OK then, let's cut it at three seasons, the point at which any players currently on the roster could be there.

Franklin: 3-3
Wabash: 2-1

No, dude. Not going down this road. This is not the beginning the season. Past seasons are only relevant in discussions of a program's relative stature. I just disagree that there is anything to find where you're pointing your flashlight.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.
Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

I'll take Wabash's roster over Franklin's. I just don't see what it matters that Franklin has dudes who've been to the show. That's of negligible importance, especially when they are playing a team who's basically been in the playoffs the past three weeks and is coming off a game that trumps whatever atmospheric upgrade comes along with, like, laminated sideline passes and post-game press conferences.

Franklin got some extra days of practice last year in November. That's what those guys got. That's it.

Lest you get me wrong: I'm saying what I'm saying mostly to try to provide a semblance of an argument for why it's not a foregone conclusion that Wabash is winning this game.  Wabash's 2014 stats are undeniably better.  Wabash probably does have a better roster.  Heck, I'll even grant that Wabash, with a Pool C selection in 2013, would have won a playoff game in Franklin's position.  But the best angle I can come up with for "give me an argument for why Franklin might win this game" is that Franklin has done it the last few seasons with teams that had equally head-scratching and puzzling results as this year's team.  That's a completely intangible thing and can't be supported by any 2014 statistics.  But, like I said yesterday, you rattled off a bunch of 2014 statistics and gut-feeling stuff that predicted a big Wabash win over Wittenberg...and Wabash totally outplayed Wittenberg in the box score...and yet, the winner of that game still goes down as Wittenberg.  If it can happen once, it can happen again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
The HSC win is a better win than Franklin has had in long while.

Are we sure about this?  I'll admit that I thought HSC was really good and that it was a big win in week 1.  HSC is now a 7-3 team coming out of the ODAC.  Are we sure that's better than an 8-2 UAA team (2013 WashU; this team also took a 7-0 lead into the fourth quarter at UWW), a 9-1 MIAA team (2012 Adrian...actually, this team really did benefit from an especially-bad year in the MIAA), or a 9-1 PAC team (Thomas More, who was coming off two straight 11-1, round-of-16 seasons)?

That was a good win, but let's not pretend that gives Wabash some super-secret edge in winning big games that Franklin lacks.

Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
They also have a better playoff record.

Over the long run, sure, they do.
Over the last three seasons, with guys who are actually still on the roster, no, they don't.

Franklin is 5-5 and Bash 3-3 in playoff wins in the 6 seasons prior to this. Both teams advanced to the third round once in that time span.

HAHAHAHA -- Yes, dude. Your point DOES look better when you cut off the sample at six seasons. Hilarious.

OK then, let's cut it at three seasons, the point at which any players currently on the roster could be there.

Franklin: 3-3
Wabash: 2-1

No, dude. Not going down this road. This is not the beginning the season. Past seasons are only relevant in discussions of a program's relative stature. I just disagree that there is anything to find where you're pointing your flashlight.

As a child bASSdad was the one Pee Wee Herman modeled himself after  "I know you are but what am I"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 03:11:26 PM
But, like I said yesterday, you rattled off a bunch of 2014 statistics and gut-feeling stuff that predicted a big Wabash win over Wittenberg...and Wabash totally outplayed Wittenberg in the box score...and yet, the winner of that game still goes down as Wittenberg.  If it can happen once, it can happen again.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:15:33 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 03:13:07 PM
As a child bASSdad was the one Pee Wee Herman modeled himself after  "I know you are but what am I"

What?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
The headline of game story describing Franklin's win over Wabash:

Crazy Poop Happened. A Lot of Crazy Poop.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 19, 2014, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 19, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
The headline of game story describing Franklin's win over Wabash:

Crazy Poop Happened. A Lot of Crazy Poop.

Attempting to be ever-so-slightly more serious:

We've identified that

1. Wabash has a strong running game
2. Putko has done great in most games...and not so great in one big game
3. Wabash has a really good defense
4. Franklin's defense isn't very good
5. Franklin's offense is very good

Thus, Wabash wins the game if they do one or more of the following things:

1. Play as well as they usually do on defense
2. Run the ball as well as they usually do (and don't need to pass)
3. If Franklin commits 10 guys to the box to shut down the run, score the ball via the pass

If any or all of those things happen, Wabash probably wins.  Thus, the ways in which Franklin could conceivably win the game:

1. Somehow manage to stop the run & hope Putko has a bad day (and X-factor Rice either does the same or doesn't play)
2. If #1 cannot be accomplished, score a lot of points

I expect, much as you do, that Wabash will be able to run, will play enough defense to slow the Grizz offense, and will win something like 31-21.  But it's certainly within the realm of possibility that Franklin will make it a game through one of a hundred different ways that a game can end up closer than the "on paper" says it should be: they might chuck it really well, their defensive coordinator might show up with a box of magic beans that he passes out to the defense before the game, the Wabash kicker could slip on a banana peel during an extra point, who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 19, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
No scarlet glasses on here - I think Franklin will give Wabash all they want.

1.  Franklin will not be intimidated by Wabash - let's face it, most NCAC games are over before the kickoff.  The one game the last two years where someone actually hit back, Wabash hasn't fared so well.  And Franklin has played teams better than Wabash the last several years.  They will show up ready to play.

2.  Leonard isn't even going to waste time running the ball - expect Welp's arm to fall off by the time the game is over.  If Franklin can protect him at all, that could be trouble.  How good is our pass defense, really?  Who has tested it since Week 1?  This could be like an old Wabash-Hanover matchup - first team to 50 wins.  And yes, I know, Wabash hasn't given up more than 21 all year.  I think Franklin scores more.

3.  Can Putko carry a team to victory if needed?  Do you really have faith in this?  I'm not sold.

Wabash wins with ball-control offense - run, run, and run some more, and keep Franklin's offense of the field.  Wabash wins by putting insane pressure on Welp and speeding up his decision making and forcing mistakes.  Wabash wins by not shooting themselves in the foot with dumb penalties.

At the end of the day, I think Wabash is the better team and will win, but I definitely give Franklin a puncher's chance.  I think Leonard has earned that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2014, 05:02:06 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on November 19, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
No scarlet glasses on here - I think Franklin will give Wabash all they want.

1.  Franklin will not be intimidated by Wabash - let's face it, most NCAC games are over before the kickoff.  The one game the last two years where someone actually hit back, Wabash hasn't fared so well.  And Franklin has played teams better than Wabash the last several years.  They will show up ready to play.

2.  Leonard isn't even going to waste time running the ball - expect Welp's arm to fall off by the time the game is over.  If Franklin can protect him at all, that could be trouble.  How good is our pass defense, really?  Who has tested it since Week 1?  This could be like an old Wabash-Hanover matchup - first team to 50 wins.  And yes, I know, Wabash hasn't given up more than 21 all year.  I think Franklin scores more.

3.  Can Putko carry a team to victory if needed?  Do you really have faith in this?  I'm not sold.

Wabash wins with ball-control offense - run, run, and run some more, and keep Franklin's offense of the field.  Wabash wins by putting insane pressure on Welp and speeding up his decision making and forcing mistakes.  Wabash wins by not shooting themselves in the foot with dumb penalties.

At the end of the day, I think Wabash is the better team and will win, but I definitely give Franklin a puncher's chance.  I think Leonard has earned that.
+k  fair assessment IMO.  Each team has the things they do well.  which one can most effectively limit the other is the question.  My line still stands at Wabash by 7 or 8.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 19, 2014, 05:45:43 PM
WabashCPA,

Seriously?

  "This could be like an old Wabash-Hanover matchup - first team to 50 wins."

No way.

Welp will be running for his life.  I can't wait to see the Bash D vs the FC O but I just can't get past the Bash O vs FC D.  They give up 500+ yards a game!  That's just crazy.  Game plan?

Also, I'm not saying they will be intimidated either but that won't factor in much at all - not in the outcome.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 19, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
Seriously.

You think Leonard is going to call 7 step drop back pass plays all day?  If so, you're right.  I'm thinking more quick hitters to neutralize the pass rush.  Does Wabash blitz linebackers or drop them into coverage?  I think Wabash pass D is vulnerable, especially with Woods out.  And I think Leonard is a pretty good offensive coach.  If there is a weakness to exploit, he will find it.  Can the Grizzlies execute it?  We will find out.  If they can, expect a lot of points.  If not, then you are correct.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 19, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
WabashCPA,

You're posting in true Phi Psi fashion.  Leonard is a very good coach, I'm not saying that at all.  But, for you to think the Grizzlies will be running up and down the field is nuts.  Have other teams tried the catch and throw approach?  You think Pettiford will be sitting back in a 10 yard cushion?  Do you think the Bash D will close in hurry before a big gain?  How good is Griffith?  Cmehil?

Wabash isn't any of the following:  Manchester, Rose-Hulman (great D btw), Hanover, Defiance, Blufton, Anderson, Mt St Joe, etc.  They're far from it. 

We will see.  I'm giving Franklin 21 points which includes a late score.  I'm giving Wabash 49.  This D is one of the best we've ever had - and we've had some really good ones!

WAF
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 19, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
Hope you're right.  We will find out how good the secondary is.  I know they are good at run support, jury still out (to me) on defending an all-out air attack, which is what I think they will see.  Lord knows I hope Brown gets 3 picks (Griffith represent!) and Wabash wins by 4 scores.  I just don't think Wabash has had to worry about seriously defending the pass since Week 1.

Have no idea what posting in true Phi Psi fashion means, but that was funny.  If that means I am an alarmist, then so be it.  I just don't see us rolling these guys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 19, 2014, 10:26:13 PM
Wabashcpa  how many games did you attend this year? Holton Walker of H-S is likely the best wide receiver in Division 3.  Go ask Nash if he thinks the Wabash defense is for real.  Wabash is leading Division 3 in quarterback sacks for a reason, a quarterback lying on the ground isn't a very effective passer.  An all out passing attack might work if Wabash doesn't bring the heat.  It has a lot of speed - have you watched the Buresh brothers at work, Tyler McCullen running down the DePauw quarterback last week, AJ and Austin, and the rest of the defense?  Wabash brings constant pressure on the quarterback from all directions - the d line, line backers and defensive backs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 19, 2014, 11:12:27 PM
How many games I attended is completely irrelevant to the discussion.  But, since you asked, the answer is 2 - left at halftime both games because they were non-competitive (Allegheny, Oberlin).  Watched the H-S game online and DVR'd the Bell Game, which I have subsequently watched.  To your point on H-S, Walker is a stud and caught 2 TDs, with very little help from others.  And yes, Nance ran for his life much of the game.  Probably not going out on much of a limb to say Franklin doesn't have a guy like Walker - no idea how Welp compares to Nance.  I am guessing Franklin will spread it around a little better, and that they will use the passing game as a pseudo running attack - lots of short passes to keep the chains moving.  Not sure they will have much choice, because, as has been discussed repeatedly, Welp probably won't have much time to sit in the pocket, and I don't think their running game will be of major concern.  But, they must be doing something right - yeah, the HCAC isn't great, but they still ran the table and scored a ton of points, so I wouldn't discount Leonard's ability to game plan for Saturday and figure out a way to move the chains.  They also gave up enough points that they know they are going to have to score a bunch this game, because they aren't keeping Wabash out of the end zone consistently.  They may try to control time-of-possession to keep their defense off the field.  If they can accomplish these things, they have a puncher's chance - that is all I am saying. At no point in any of this discussion did I say Wabash is doomed.  Just that Franklin will prove to be a tougher opponent than I think some of you think possible.  Hey, if our defense is all that, then pitch a shutout Saturday.  THAT will get people talking.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2014, 01:03:48 AM
I"m away for a couple days and this board actually has activity

Throwing my two cents on some of the stuff I've read

Franklin does give up more points than it should to teams that the best would likely shut out, but they don't seem to let the elite rack up 70 on them either. I expect Wabash to put up somewhere around 40. The big question is how much can Franklin score. Against weaker teams the offense has managed to put up enough to win, against the best they struggle to get anywhere close.

The key to the game I've learned from the past several years is the 1st quarter Franklin offense. In big games (UWW, Mount Union, UMHB) the offense has had a tendency to start off the first few drives with a 3 and out, an interception, and a drive with 1 first down. Meanwhile the defense can't get a stop and by the end of the 1st it's 21-0 and Franklin never gets it much closer (there was the comeback against Mount in 2012 so it's not impossible).

I'm not sure where my fellow Grizzly was getting some of those playoff lines. The 2012 Adrian game was absolutely a coin flip (was shocked by how easy Franklin won), while 2013 WashU I didn't think Franklin should have got a home game but they did and it was another close call to pick.

I will play the underdog card because that's what they are in this game, but Franklin gets plenty of respect. It's a team that has regularly been ranked the past few years from a conference that is generally rather weak and had no national success prior. They're one of a handful of schools who can claim a playoff win in each of the last three years. Anyone who thinks Franklin gets as much respect as Rodney Dangerfield doesn't really know what's going on.

If I was setting a line on this game for the pickem I think I'd end up with it around 20.5 but of course I'd have to side with Franklin. This first round game is going to be tougher than the past few years.

Hopefully the Grizzlies can pull off the win and get to see our Warhawk friends yet again. :) Good luck to both sides on Saturday (with a little more luck to Franklin ;))
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 20, 2014, 06:55:01 AM
WabashCPA,

I knew you would like the Phi Psi remark!   ;D

Correction:  I meant Brown (from Griffith) not Griffith. 

I think Welp will be a little frustrated with coverage (little separation) and that forces him to hold the ball longer than he should...then you know what's coming!  Buresh gets pub but his 33 sacks this season have been very impressive.  They'll be flying around.

We shall see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 20, 2014, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on November 19, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
Seriously.

You think Leonard is going to call 7 step drop back pass plays all day?  If so, you're right.  I'm thinking more quick hitters to neutralize the pass rush.  Does Wabash blitz linebackers or drop them into coverage?  I think Wabash pass D is vulnerable, especially with Woods out.  And I think Leonard is a pretty good offensive coach.  If there is a weakness to exploit, he will find it.  Can the Grizzlies execute it?  We will find out.  If they can, expect a lot of points.  If not, then you are correct.

Bingo.  It will be quick throws that act as a running game and then when the DB's come up, they'll start double moves.. I think the chess game between Leonard/Welp and the Wabash defense will be a very interesting thing to watch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 10:00:07 AM
Wabashcpa

No question that shutouts are nice, but Wabash has elected to substitute a great deal during the season on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball.  As a result, some potential shutouts during the season were traded for a lot of playing time for the second and third team players.  It has been fun to watch the progression of these players during the season.  The Wabash second/third string defense became  probably the number 3 defense in the NCAC after the Wabash starting defense and Witt's defense.

As a result, when an injury occurs to Justin Woods, (by the way best wishes to Justin for a speedy recovery from his knee surgery),  Peter Fouts was ready to step in and take his place in the Bell Game as he did against OWU.  Justin plays with passion and a wreckless abandon, and that will be missed.

I have no doubt that Coach Leonard will have his team ready with some interesting wrinkles, and not a lot of 7 step drops.  However, Wabash plays a tight man to man defense that will give Welp an interesting Hobbs choice of throwing quickly into tight coverage and risking an interception, or waiting for his receiver to get an opening and face the wrath of a Buresh. or whomever else gets loose in the backfield.  If you try to double on one or both of  the Buresh brothers, there are a lot of other very quick defensive players that will be only to happy to do the honors.  Add some rain into the mix, making for a slippery football, and it will be an interesting game on Saturday.  For Wabash on offense, they have play their game with a top priority avoiding mistakes as they did for most of the season.  As we saw at Witt, the whole game turned on a blocked punt and fumble recovery.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
Today's fun/random stat in support of "why Franklin might have a chance in this game"

Franklin scored two touchdowns in the first quarter against UWW.  Those were the only touchdowns UWW allowed in the first quarter the entire season.

Is it heresy to suggest that the Franklin offense might be better than any offensive unit Wabash has played against? 

Note that I said unit, not player, and that I said might be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
Today's fun/random stat in support of "why Franklin might have a chance in this game"

Franklin scored two touchdowns in the first quarter against UWW.  Those were the only touchdowns UWW allowed in the first quarter the entire season.

Is it heresy to suggest that the Franklin offense might be better than any offensive unit Wabash has played against? 

Note that I said unit, not player, and that I said might be.

ExTartan Player - I don't think any of the Wabash faithful have suggested that Franklin doesn't have a chance on Saturday.  Coach Leonard will have his team well prepared, and his strategy of playing the top opponents for his non-conference games sets Franklin aside other teams in the weaker conferences and has established Franklin as a team not to be taken lightly in the playoffs.

Comparing Franklin and Hampden-Sydney in the NCAA stats is interesting. Passing Offence Franklin #7, HS #27; Rushing Offense - Franklin #131, HS #154; and scoring offense Franklin #18 and HS #36. By these stats, Franklin is clearly the best passing offense that Wabash has seen all year.

The real question is whether the Wabash defense (and the weather) can slow Franklin down?  Also, Wabash's offense is #19 in scoring offense, and uses its power running game to eat up big chunks of clock.  The time of possession differences in the H-S and DePauw games remind us that the best defense is letting a powerful offense sit on the bench.  They can score if they aren't on the field.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashgiant on November 20, 2014, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
Today's fun/random stat in support of "why Franklin might have a chance in this game"

Franklin scored two touchdowns in the first quarter against UWW.  Those were the only touchdowns UWW allowed in the first quarter the entire season.

Is it heresy to suggest that the Franklin offense might be better than any offensive unit Wabash has played against? 

Note that I said unit, not player, and that I said might be.

ExTartan Player - I don't think any of the Wabash faithful have suggested that Franklin doesn't have a chance on Saturday.  Coach Leonard will have his team well prepared, and his strategy of playing the top opponents for his non-conference games sets Franklin aside other teams in the weaker conferences and has established Franklin as a team not to be taken lightly in the playoffs.

Comparing Franklin and Hampden-Sydney in the NCAA stats is interesting. Passing Offence Franklin #7, HS #27; Rushing Offense - Franklin #131, HS #154; and scoring offense Franklin #18 and HS #36. By these stats, Franklin is clearly the best passing offense that Wabash has seen all year.

The real question is whether the Wabash defense (and the weather) can slow Franklin down?  Also, Wabash's offense is #19 in scoring offense, and uses its power running game to eat up big chunks of clock.  The time of possession differences in the H-S and DePauw games remind us that the best defense is letting a powerful offense sit on the bench.  They can score if they aren't on the field.

Not for sure but from what I read on the boards I believe the ODAC is a much better league than the HCAC. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 20, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
I would take the ODAC over the HCAC with the possible exception of Franklin. Franklin and the top ODAC team would be a good battle that I think Franklin wins more years than not. Other than that, 2 in the ODAC versus 2 in the HCAC and down the line, I think the ODAC is much better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 12:55:56 PM
There aren't any statistics that I can point to that would support me saying Franklin should win this game.  Most stats suggest they should get run over. 

That said, I will be surprised if this isn't a close game that comes down to the fourth quarter.  I believe this because the Franklin coaching staff is very much accustomed to putting together game plans against teams with legitimate dominating stats, dominating running games, dominating passing games and dominating defenses.  I don't know (yet) that Wabash is a legitimate dominating team in any of the areas because I haven't seen them do it against top competition.  They may well be the real deal, but too early to say.     

   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 20, 2014, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 12:55:56 PM
I don't know (yet) that Wabash is a legitimate dominating team in any of the areas because I haven't seen them do it against top competition.  They may well be the real deal, but too early to say.     

This is where these debates gets sticky depending on who is participating.  Because your idea of "top competition" is pretty different from the idea that the other 99% of D3 have. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 01:05:52 PM
Jknezek

Based upon the stats, and Franklin has slightly better stats, Franklin has a slightly better passing offense.  If you factor in the opponents, H-S has clearly played a more difficult schedule, with the exception of Franklin having playing UWW.  With a common opponent on Saturday, it will be much easier to make the more subjective, qualitative comparison.  I still think that Holton Walker is the best wide receiver in Division 3, and Nash is very good quarterback.

To ExTartan Player's comment's, Franklin did play UWW pretty well early in the game.  However, UWW has one of the best defenses in the nation, and once UWW got rolling, they didn't look up until it was 42-13.  I believe UWW has around 300 yards rushing that day.

I believe that the Wabash defense will match up with the Franklin offense.  Franklin has only played 2 teams that rank higher then Wabash in total offense, and were 1 and 1 against those 2 teams.  Franklin's defense is the weakest link.  If they can't stop the Wabash rushing game, then Wabash will use the run game to pile up a big disparity in the time of possession and if it can't get on the field, the Franklin offense can't score.  Further, this also keeps the Wabash defense off the field so it will be better rested and can maintain fresh legs and its speedy pursuit when they are on the field.

Emma17 - to your point, the Wabash defense has played quite well against its best opponents two playoff teams - H-S and Witt.  Witt was a very close game, and the outcome came down as often happens in such games to fumble recovery by Witt, otherwise Wabash wins 15 to 14. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 20, 2014, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 01:05:52 PM
Jknezek

Based upon the stats, and Franklin has slightly better stats, Franklin has a slightly better passing offense.  If you factor in the opponents, H-S has clearly played a more difficult schedule, with the exception of Franklin having playing UWW.  With a common opponent on Saturday, it will be much easier to make the more subjective, qualitative comparison.  I still think that Holton Walker is the best wide receiver in Division 3, and Nash is very good quarterback.


Agreed on all of this. I wasn't just talking about this year however. I was thinking about a reasonable sample size of a couple years. Franklin this year and H-SC would be a fun game to watch. Over the last five years I think Franklin wins more often than not.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 20, 2014, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 01:05:52 PM
To ExTartan Player's comment's, Franklin did play UWW pretty well early in the game.  However, UWW has one of the best defenses in the nation, and once UWW got rolling, they didn't look up until it was 42-13.  I believe UWW has around 300 yards rushing that day.

You, like, entirely missed my point.  Nowhere did my post say anything about Franklin's run defense, nor did it say anything about the final score of the game, or how Franklin would compare against UWW in another game.  I'm well aware that UWW has one of the best defenses in the nation - that was the entire basis of my post!

I brought that little nugget - that Franklin scored two first-quarter touchdowns against a team that allowed zero first-quarter points in the next 9 games - to point out that Franklin has shown the ability to score against very good defenses, and that's one of the shreds of data we can dredge up supporting Franklin's chance to come out with a win this weekend.  Most everything else supports Wabash.  Franklin wants a track meet in this game.  Scoring a couple of quick TD's would be a good start, even if their defense is bound to wear down again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 20, 2014, 01:46:32 PM
With so many references to the Wabash/Witt game, let me just point out a few things:

- the Bash D. Played extremely well that day.  With the exception of Witt's long drive in the 2nd half, they couldn't move the ball.  They had 74 yards of offense in the 1st half.
- the Bash D held Witt to 200 total yards
- Witt blocked a punt and that gave Witt the ball on the Wabash 17 - you can't pin that score on the Bash D
- Wabash ran 51 offensive plays in the 1st half.  They rushed for over 240
- Wabash had over 350 in total offense

Credit to Witt for winning the game but as BashDad called it, it was a "looney" game.  2 huge plays did it:  the blocked punt and the sack/fumble/scoop&score...

Not that that can't happen again this Saturday but lets not pretend this will be Franklin's recipe to win the game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wabash Hokie on November 20, 2014, 03:09:27 PM
Wabash just posted their game notes.  See link below.  I checked Franklin's site and no game notes have been posted as yet.  When do they normally come out?


http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2014/11/20/2014NCAA1Gamenotes.pdf (http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2014/11/20/2014NCAA1Gamenotes.pdf)


The forecast for Saturday seems to be getting warmer but wetter and windy.   Hope any rain holds off until after the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 20, 2014, 03:27:33 PM
Franklin is starting a freshman center.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: USee on November 20, 2014, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 19, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
WabashCPA,

You're posting in true Phi Psi fashion.  Leonard is a very good coach, I'm not saying that at all.  But, for you to think the Grizzlies will be running up and down the field is nuts.  Have other teams tried the catch and throw approach?  You think Pettiford will be sitting back in a 10 yard cushion?  Do you think the Bash D will close in hurry before a big gain?  How good is Griffith?  Cmehil?

Wabash isn't any of the following:  Manchester, Rose-Hulman (great D btw), Hanover, Defiance, Blufton, Anderson, Mt St Joe, etc.  They're far from it. 

We will see.  I'm giving Franklin 21 points which includes a late score.  I'm giving Wabash 49.  This D is one of the best we've ever had - and we've had some really good ones!

WAF

BashDad made the claim on the NCAC board that this is the best Bash D ever. I replied that in my 20+ years of seeing Wabash (a little every year) I tend to agree. I also think this is a statement best made 2 weeks from now if the LG's are prepping for the quarterfinals. While this Wabash Defense passes the look and sniff test they have not been tested to the extent they will be in these coming weeks.

Quote from: wally_wabash on November 20, 2014, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 12:55:56 PM
I don't know (yet) that Wabash is a legitimate dominating team in any of the areas because I haven't seen them do it against top competition.  They may well be the real deal, but too early to say.     

This is where these debates gets sticky depending on who is participating.  Because your idea of "top competition" is pretty different from the idea that the other 99% of D3 have. 

This we can attempt to quantify a little. Wabash has the #3 rated defense in the land. They have put up some dominating numbers and if you watch them you can see they come down hill and attack the LOS and the QB with reckless abandon. They lead the country in sacks per game. And for teams with worse personnel and no schematic answer, it got ugly fast. Wabash has faced zero offenses ranked higher than #50 in the nation. In their 10 games they have faced (and dominated) offenses ranked #55(HSC), #50(Den), #202(Gheny), #102(Woo), #94 (OWU), #211 (Keny), #212 (Obe), #114 (Hiram), #96 (Witt), #110 (DeP). It's hard to tell much from many of those games. Doesn't mean by any stretch this D isn't for real, just means we may not know how good, YET.

This weekend they face, very arguably, the best offense they have faced this year. Franklin is ranked #20 and is the #7 ranked pass offense in the land. Now before you guys go off on how they got that ranking lets admit they didn't exactly face many great defenses except for 1 (I think IWU was better than most of the HCAC defenses they faced as well). But I think its fair to say with the history and talent Franklin has and Mike Leonard at the helm, this is likely the best offense Bash will have faced so far. That means its a great opportunity.

So to say "No way Franklin scores more than 21" is a bit more bravado than fact. It may prove to be fact but I would be very surprised if Franklin was held to less than 3 scores. Wabash hasn't faced anyone that had personnel AND scheme to answer their relentless attack. I don't know if Mike Leonard has the horses, but I am confident he will have the scheme.

I have no answer for how Franklin will stop the Bash attack. The numbers look scary. All this to say I think the Bash D has its stiffest test and if Franklin figures out a way to score 28 pts it wouldn't surprise me. But it probably won't be enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: USee on November 20, 2014, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 20, 2014, 01:46:32 PM
With so many references to the Wabash/Witt game, let me just point out a few things:

- the Bash D. Played extremely well that day.  With the exception of Witt's long drive in the 2nd half, they couldn't move the ball.  They had 74 yards of offense in the 1st half.
- the Bash D held Witt to 200 total yards
- Witt blocked a punt and that gave Witt the ball on the Wabash 17 - you can't pin that score on the Bash D
- Wabash ran 51 offensive plays in the 1st half.  They rushed for over 240
- Wabash had over 350 in total offense

Credit to Witt for winning the game but as BashDad called it, it was a "looney" game.  2 huge plays did it:  the blocked punt and the sack/fumble/scoop&score...

Not that that can't happen again this Saturday but lets not pretend this will be Franklin's recipe to win the game.

Witt's D played pretty well too. They shut out Wabash in the 2nd half. Wabash D came in giving up 3.2 yds per play. Witt gained 3.3 yds per play. Witt D came in giving up 4.2 yds per play, Wabash gained 4.3 yds per play. In games played that tight with two great teams, a couple plays will often determine the outcome.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
ExTartan Player-

I got your point.  However, to the contrary,  they scored 13 points against a top defense, and a lot of points against against not so highly ranked defenses including five team ranked from 195th to 240th in overall defense, and four team ranked 96th to 121st in total defense.  IWU was 96th in Total Defense.

Do I think that Franklin has a very good offense - absolutely, but I don't think that the stats support your basic point very well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: USee on November 20, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: firstdown on November 20, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
ExTartan Player-

I got your point.  However, to the contrary,  they scored 13 points against a top defense, and a lot of points against against not so highly ranked defenses including five team ranked from 195th to 240th in overall defense, and four team ranked 96th to 121st in total defense.  IWU was 96th in Total Defense.

Do I think that Franklin has a very good offense - absolutely, but I don't think that the stats support your basic point very well.

And those same stats how Wabash ranked as the #3 defense coming against offenses that aren't very highly ranked either. So Saturday is a "show me" game yes? I am pretty sure the Wabash D is for real and will play well against a great offense. Is Franklins offense great? not sure. Is Bash D great? pretty sure. Franklins offense is likely better than any other offense Bash has faced so far. Saturday will be a good test
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 20, 2014, 04:40:48 PM
Not to derail the Franklin/Wabash talk, but I had to post my congrats to RHIT.  6 of the 26 members of the Academic All-District team are from Rose.  As someone whose grandfather, father and sister are all engineers I know what kind of classes those kids are taking.  Very, very impressive stuff playing football and handling that academic load.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 20, 2014, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 12:55:56 PM
I don't know (yet) that Wabash is a legitimate dominating team in any of the areas because I haven't seen them do it against top competition.  They may well be the real deal, but too early to say.     

This is where these debates gets sticky depending on who is participating.  Because your idea of "top competition" is pretty different from the idea that the other 99% of D3 have.

When I posted that comment, I was thinking about it from a different angle.  I was trying to figure out why Franklin might have a chance given what I believe are very favorable stats in Wabash's favor (defense and running game).  As some (especially Usee) have pointed out, it's all about who you've played to build those stats.  So how do you get beyond the trap of comparing stats that may be built upon a house of cards?  I considered how Franklin performed against teams with stats that we all recognize as legitimate (Mt, MHB, UWW).  At times Franklin competed and at times they were overwhelmed.  But like you suggest Wally, that's against the elite teams.   

At this point in time, we really don't know whether Wabash's numbers will hold up as the competition gets tougher. 
Thus, I have to assume Wabash's numbers will water down a bit, which means Franklin should have a decent chance of being in this game until the end- because they have a coaching staff and players that have had to scheme against the best of the best. 

I'll acknowledge my thinking was wrong if Wabash dominates Franklin. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wabash Hokie on November 20, 2014, 07:58:26 PM
Franklin's game notes are here:


http://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2014-15/Football_Game_Notes_-_Wabash.pdf (http://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2014-15/Football_Game_Notes_-_Wabash.pdf)


Repost of Wabash's game notes:


http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2014/11/20/2014NCAA1Gamenotes.pdf (http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2014/11/20/2014NCAA1Gamenotes.pdf)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 20, 2014, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 20, 2014, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2014, 12:55:56 PM
I don't know (yet) that Wabash is a legitimate dominating team in any of the areas because I haven't seen them do it against top competition.  They may well be the real deal, but too early to say.     

This is where these debates gets sticky depending on who is participating.  Because your idea of "top competition" is pretty different from the idea that the other 99% of D3 have.

When I posted that comment, I was thinking about it from a different angle.  I was trying to figure out why Franklin might have a chance given what I believe are very favorable stats in Wabash's favor (defense and running game).  As some (especially Usee) have pointed out, it's all about who you've played to build those stats.  So how do you get beyond the trap of comparing stats that may be built upon a house of cards?  I considered how Franklin performed against teams with stats that we all recognize as legitimate (Mt, MHB, UWW).  At times Franklin competed and at times they were overwhelmed.  But like you suggest Wally, that's against the elite teams.   

At this point in time, we really don't know whether Wabash's numbers will hold up as the competition gets tougher. 
Thus, I have to assume Wabash's numbers will water down a bit, which means Franklin should have a decent chance of being in this game until the end- because they have a coaching staff and players that have had to scheme against the best of the best. 

I'll acknowledge my thinking was wrong if Wabash dominates Franklin.

No, you're not wrong. I was just pointing out that "the best" from the vantage point of somebody who sees their team play for the title every year is different than "the best" from the vantage point of the rest of us.  It's the difference between measuring yourself against the top 2-3 in the nation and measuring yourself against the top 20-30. 

Also a good point about Leonard and his staff coaching and preparing for those top level teams.  They definitely have that experience.  They've never won, but they've played those games.  Erik Raeburn is no stranger to the top shelf either, though.  He's got some coaching experience (that comes along with rings) at the top level as well. 

So we can correctly question if Wabash's defensive statistics are built on a foundation of poor opposition and we can correctly question if Franklin's offensive statistics are built on a foundation of poor opposition.  Maybe it's all a mirage.  I'd have to check stats and scores on this (which would be a pretty sizable project), but my sense is that fraudulent offenses get exposed in the postseason before fraudulent defenses do. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: USee on November 20, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
Actually, my question is more about what happens if neither Franklin s offense, nor Wabash defense are a fraud. What if they are both legit? I want to see an offense that matches up with Wabash defense. I don't know that Franklin is that matchup. If you look at the scores from about 5 of the Purple Stagg Bowls, UWW and UMU both brought in top defenses in every one of those. The total points scored in several of those was over 50 pts. Defense definitely wins championships but great offense can score on great defense if they matchup well. Doesn't mean they beat them, but they can usually score.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 21, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: USee on November 20, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
Actually, my question is more about what happens if neither Franklin s offense, nor Wabash defense are a fraud. What if they are both legit? I want to see an offense that matches up with Wabash defense. I don't know that Franklin is that matchup. If you look at the scores from about 5 of the Purple Stagg Bowls, UWW and UMU both brought in top defenses in every one of those. The total points scored in several of those was over 50 pts. Defense definitely wins championships but great offense can score on great defense if they matchup well. Doesn't mean they beat them, but they can usually score.

I don't think either are frauds per se, I simply think the rankings aren't quite mature. I do think they are much closer to legit than fraud.
Based on rankings alone I agree that Franklin probably doesn't match up well w Wabash. This is the intrigue though because the Franklin staff knows that as well.

Total points scored may have been over 50 combined- but Mt in particular nearly averaged 50 on their own during the season- usually ranking top 5 nationally.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 09:13:42 AM
USee and emma17

A very good discussion, and it will make tomorrow's game interesting to watch.  A key difference between the two teams in that while Franklin's offense is ranked at 18th in Division 3 in scoring offense, and Wabash is ranked at 19th, but Franklin's defense is ranked 200th.  Wabash relies on its running game, but has success passing as well.  Franklin's offensive strength lies in its passing game.  Against teams with a strong passing attack, principally Hampden-Sydney, but also DePauw, Wabash used the running game as a part of its defensive strategy to create a significant disparity in time of possession.  An offense, no matter how good, can't score if it is standing on the sidelines.  Whereas a defense standing on the sidelines, particularly one such as Wabash's which uses speed and heavy pressure, benefits from the extra time which keeps legs fresher.  One has to look no further than the game between the Colts and the Patriots the other day to see  this sort of strategy executed to perfection.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 21, 2014, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 09:13:42 AM
USee and emma17

A very good discussion, and it will make tomorrow's game interesting to watch.  A key difference between the two teams in that while Franklin's offense is ranked at 18th in Division 3 in scoring offense, and Wabash is ranked at 19th, but Franklin's defense is ranked 200th.  Wabash relies on its running game, but has success passing as well.  Franklin's offensive strength lies in its passing game.  Against teams with a strong passing attack, principally Hampden-Sydney, but also DePauw, Wabash used the running game as a part of its defensive strategy to create a significant disparity in time of possession.  An offense, no matter how good, can't score if it is standing on the sidelines.  Whereas a defense standing on the sidelines, particularly one such as Wabash's which uses speed and heavy pressure, benefits from the extra time which keeps legs fresher.  One has to look no further than the game between the Colts and the Patriots the other day to see  this sort of strategy executed to perfection.

Wabash's victory over H-S was very impressive for sure.  The defensive stats from that game are seriously good and it gives credibility to the high ranking.

That whole time of possession thing is an interesting concept.  There are many teams that lose TOP but win because they have a quick strike offense, like the Green Bay Packers.  Given the choice though, I'm with you in that I prefer a team that can control the ball.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Desertraider on November 21, 2014, 09:58:04 AM
I have always thought TOP is an over-rated stat. Yes ball control is great, keeping the other teams offense off the field is great but as Emma said - if it is a quick strike offense it doesn't mean much. If you have 2 teams relying on long drives and a strong running game then TOP would matter more. But I have seen several Mount games where the opponent had as much as a 15 minute TOP advantage and still lost by 50 (look at some of the bx scores).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 09:13:42 AM
Against teams with a strong passing attack, principally Hampden-Sydney, but also DePauw, Wabash used the running game as a part of its defensive strategy to create a significant disparity in time of possession.  An offense, no matter how good, can't score if it is standing on the sidelines.  Whereas a defense standing on the sidelines, particularly one such as Wabash's which uses speed and heavy pressure, benefits from the extra time which keeps legs fresher.  One has to look no further than the game between the Colts and the Patriots the other day to see  this sort of strategy executed to perfection.

I'll disagree here a little bit.  Teams that have played Wabash this year wind up on the bad side of TOP not so much because Wabash runs a lot, but because Wabash's defense gets teams off the field quickly.  While Wabash's offense is primarily ground-based, they don't exactly take their time-  they do run the offense at an honest pace.  Wabash is ranked 12th in D3 in first downs allowed.  Sometimes the best defense can actually be the defense. 

Wabash had an 8-minute TOP advantage against Wittenberg.  TOP is a red herring. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 10:16:06 AM
Emma 17

I am with you on that.  Unlike the regular season where coaches and teams are trying to accomplish a number of things, in the playoffs, the only stat that matters is the scoreboard.  If a great defense gives up 100 points in a game, but the offense scores 101, your team moves on. 

Desertraider - by itself, TOP doesn't mean a great deal.  When it is used as a part of a defensive strategy to keep a potent offense off the field, it does.  For example, the Patriots used ball control on offense to perfection to force the Colts into risky passing scenarios to try to make up ground.  The key is to force a quick strike offense out of its comfort zone.  The Patriots did a great job of taking away T Y Hilton  and covering Reggie Wayne very tightly.  This caused the Colts to use passing plays that were outside of the normal comfort zone.  The Pat's got the Colts into the high risk, high reward, and high negative consequence zone.

As Wally points out, a TOP strategy doesn't always work - Witt in 2014 being a good example, whereas in the 2012 Witt game the long drive in the 4th quarter worked to perfection.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Schwami on November 21, 2014, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 09:13:42 AM
Against teams with a strong passing attack, principally Hampden-Sydney, but also DePauw, Wabash used the running game as a part of its defensive strategy to create a significant disparity in time of possession.  An offense, no matter how good, can't score if it is standing on the sidelines.  Whereas a defense standing on the sidelines, particularly one such as Wabash's which uses speed and heavy pressure, benefits from the extra time which keeps legs fresher.  One has to look no further than the game between the Colts and the Patriots the other day to see  this sort of strategy executed to perfection.

I'll disagree here a little bit.  Teams that have played Wabash this year wind up on the bad side of TOP not so much because Wabash runs a lot, but because Wabash's defense gets teams off the field quickly.  While Wabash's offense is primarily ground-based, they don't exactly take their time-  they do run the offense at an honest pace.  Wabash is ranked 12th in D3 in first downs allowed.  Sometimes the best defense can actually be the defense. 

Wabash had an 8-minute TOP advantage against Wittenberg.  TOP is a red herring.

Denison may well have been the second best offense that Wabash has faced this year and actually had a 7 minute TOP advantage.  They still lost 31-12.

Kenyon had the ball 11 minutes more than Wabash (!) and still lost 52-10.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
There is no doubt that I worry about Franklin's porous defense, I have worried about that for over 30 seasons!  I do realize that Wabash's defense is awesome and stats show that the GRIZ really have no shot at victory.

I see a glimmer of hope when I remember back to 2008.  We lost to a very good Trine team, but the 2008 GRIZ were not dominant in the HCAC.  They squeaked by in close games against MSJ and Manchester.  The school's historical DIII playoff record was 0-1, having lost 44-42 in a home thriller to North Central (GRIZ also lost at Wabash 35-33 in 2007).  Come playoff time in 2008, the GRIZ were big underdogs to a very good 9-1 Otterbein team.  Otterbein only had one close victory in the OCAC (JCU), but they dominated everyone else except, of course, the National Champions in purple.  The GRIZ beat Otterbein 62-45 on the road.  The GRIZ went on the road again and scored their biggest DIII victory in school history by beating an undefeated (and seeded #1 or #2 in the bracket) North Central 38-28.  Let's hope for a repeat of history!

BTW Firstdown - Walker may be an excellent WR but how can you state that he is the best WR in the nation?  Jake Kumerow is a total stud!  He is 6'5", has long arms and excellent speed. He saw significant playing time during the Big Ten season at Illinois as a redshirt freshman and has been dominating in his career at UWW.  Wonder if he will be healthy for the playoffs?       

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 21, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
^^
We can only hope.
The Griz have played and won some impressive games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 11:24:50 AM
Griz

I have watched Holton Walker and was impressed that he is virtually impossible to defend.  Jake Kummrow is also the real deal.  Kummrow's injury is the only reason that I said what I did about Walker.  If Kummrow is healthy, then is it is a real push between the two of them, and I would note that they are the two best wide receivers in D3.  I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both of these players on the field on a Sunday in the future for an NFL team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
There is no doubt that I worry about Franklin's porous defense, I have worried about that for over 30 seasons!  I do realize that Wabash's defense is awesome and stats show that the GRIZ really have no shot at victory.

I see a glimmer of hope when I remember back to 2008.  We lost to a very good Trine team, but the 2008 GRIZ were not dominant in the HCAC.  They squeaked by in close games against MSJ and Manchester.  The school's historical DIII playoff record was 0-1, having lost 44-42 in a home thriller to North Central (GRIZ also lost at Wabash 35-33 in 2007).  Come playoff time in 2008, the GRIZ were big underdogs to a very good 9-1 Otterbein team.  Otterbein only had one close victory in the OCAC (JCU), but they dominated everyone else except, of course, the National Champions in purple.  The GRIZ beat Otterbein 62-45 on the road.  The GRIZ went on the road again and scored their biggest DIII victory in school history by beating an undefeated (and seeded #1 or #2 in the bracket) North Central 38-28.  Let's hope for a repeat of history!

BTW Firstdown - Walker may be an excellent WR but how can you state that he is the best WR in the nation?  Jake Kumerow is a total stud!  He is 6'5", has long arms and excellent speed. He saw significant playing time during the Big Ten season at Illinois as a redshirt freshman and has been dominating in his career at UWW.  Wonder if he will be healthy for the playoffs?     

I don't get it.  This year's players were somewhere between ages 12 and 16 in 2008.  What does 2008 have to do with this weekend? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
There is no doubt that I worry about Franklin's porous defense, I have worried about that for over 30 seasons!  I do realize that Wabash's defense is awesome and stats show that the GRIZ really have no shot at victory.

I see a glimmer of hope when I remember back to 2008.  We lost to a very good Trine team, but the 2008 GRIZ were not dominant in the HCAC.  They squeaked by in close games against MSJ and Manchester.  The school's historical DIII playoff record was 0-1, having lost 44-42 in a home thriller to North Central (GRIZ also lost at Wabash 35-33 in 2007).  Come playoff time in 2008, the GRIZ were big underdogs to a very good 9-1 Otterbein team.  Otterbein only had one close victory in the OCAC (JCU), but they dominated everyone else except, of course, the National Champions in purple.  The GRIZ beat Otterbein 62-45 on the road.  The GRIZ went on the road again and scored their biggest DIII victory in school history by beating an undefeated (and seeded #1 or #2 in the bracket) North Central 38-28.  Let's hope for a repeat of history!

BTW Firstdown - Walker may be an excellent WR but how can you state that he is the best WR in the nation?  Jake Kumerow is a total stud!  He is 6'5", has long arms and excellent speed. He saw significant playing time during the Big Ten season at Illinois as a redshirt freshman and has been dominating in his career at UWW.  Wonder if he will be healthy for the playoffs?     

I don't get it.  This year's players were somewhere between ages 12 and 16 in 2008.  What does 2008 have to do with this weekend?

Not the players, but the scenarios are very similar.  The Grizzlies are heavy underdogs on the road.  They are given little to no shot of winning.  The Otterbein Cardinals were as dominant in the 2008 OCAC as the Little Giants in the 2014 NCAC (with the exception of one team each).  North Central was very highly ranked (top 5 in regular season plus either #1 or #2 in the playoff bracket).  The NC Cardinals also had a very highly regarded defense and were run oriented.

Hey Wally - I have to have some glimmer of hope - I am a Franklin grad!   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: firstdown on November 21, 2014, 11:24:50 AM
Griz

I have watched Holton Walker and was impressed that he is virtually impossible to defend.  Jake Kummrow is also the real deal.  Kummrow's injury is the only reason that I said what I did about Walker.  If Kummrow is healthy, then is it is a real push between the two of them, and I would note that they are the two best wide receivers in D3.  I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both of these players on the field on a Sunday in the future for an NFL team.

I agree
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
Not the players, but the scenarios are very similar.  The Grizzlies are heavy underdogs on the road.  They are given little to no shot of winning.  The Otterbein Cardinals were as dominant in the 2008 OCAC as the Little Giants in the 2014 NCAC (with the exception of one team each).  North Central was very highly ranked (top 5 in regular season plus either #1 or #2 in the playoff bracket).  The NC Cardinals also had a very highly regarded defense and were run oriented.

Hey Wally - I have to have some glimmer of hope - I am a Franklin grad!

2008 Franklin were heavier underdogs by conversation than they needed to be because nobody was paying attention to Franklin yet.  It's tough to get shine when you've never been in the playoffs before and you play in a league that ranks near the bottom of the conference rankings.  None of that is fair, but that's the way it is.  So 2008 Franklin weren't nearly the underdogs in reality that they might have been made out to be- people just didn't know any better. 

Fast forward to 2014, and people know about Franklin.  The Griz- sorry, the GRIZ- aren't being overlooked or undersold.  They've been in the spotlight long enough for people to know what's what with Franklin football. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 21, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
Wally - love the Matt Hunt quote on your signature,  classic.

Franklin also had a QB that was a 1 in 20 year player in 2008.  He was really good!  Chad Rupp...  Hopefully he won't be slinging passes on Saturday, no offense to Welp.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 21, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
Wally - love the Matt Hunt quote on your signature,  classic.

Franklin also had a QB that was a 1 in 20 year player in 2008.  He was really good!  Chad Rupp...  Hopefully he won't be slinging passes on Saturday, no offense to Welp.

Rupp was a stud, flat out.  Those two duels in '06 and '07 between Huff and Rupp were epic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
I'm afraid Huff kinda gets the short end of the historic stick as far as Wabash QBs go. He doesn't get injured and we have another all time great. 2006 alone was pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashgiant on November 21, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
There is no doubt that I worry about Franklin's porous defense, I have worried about that for over 30 seasons!  I do realize that Wabash's defense is awesome and stats show that the GRIZ really have no shot at victory.

I see a glimmer of hope when I remember back to 2008.  We lost to a very good Trine team, but the 2008 GRIZ were not dominant in the HCAC.  They squeaked by in close games against MSJ and Manchester.  The school's historical DIII playoff record was 0-1, having lost 44-42 in a home thriller to North Central (GRIZ also lost at Wabash 35-33 in 2007).  Come playoff time in 2008, the GRIZ were big underdogs to a very good 9-1 Otterbein team.  Otterbein only had one close victory in the OCAC (JCU), but they dominated everyone else except, of course, the National Champions in purple.  The GRIZ beat Otterbein 62-45 on the road.  The GRIZ went on the road again and scored their biggest DIII victory in school history by beating an undefeated (and seeded #1 or #2 in the bracket) North Central 38-28.  Let's hope for a repeat of history!

BTW Firstdown - Walker may be an excellent WR but how can you state that he is the best WR in the nation?  Jake Kumerow is a total stud!  He is 6'5", has long arms and excellent speed. He saw significant playing time during the Big Ten season at Illinois as a redshirt freshman and has been dominating in his career at UWW.  Wonder if he will be healthy for the playoffs?     

Why did Jake Kumerow leave Illinois?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: bashgiant on November 21, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
There is no doubt that I worry about Franklin's porous defense, I have worried about that for over 30 seasons!  I do realize that Wabash's defense is awesome and stats show that the GRIZ really have no shot at victory.

I see a glimmer of hope when I remember back to 2008.  We lost to a very good Trine team, but the 2008 GRIZ were not dominant in the HCAC.  They squeaked by in close games against MSJ and Manchester.  The school's historical DIII playoff record was 0-1, having lost 44-42 in a home thriller to North Central (GRIZ also lost at Wabash 35-33 in 2007).  Come playoff time in 2008, the GRIZ were big underdogs to a very good 9-1 Otterbein team.  Otterbein only had one close victory in the OCAC (JCU), but they dominated everyone else except, of course, the National Champions in purple.  The GRIZ beat Otterbein 62-45 on the road.  The GRIZ went on the road again and scored their biggest DIII victory in school history by beating an undefeated (and seeded #1 or #2 in the bracket) North Central 38-28.  Let's hope for a repeat of history!

BTW Firstdown - Walker may be an excellent WR but how can you state that he is the best WR in the nation?  Jake Kumerow is a total stud!  He is 6'5", has long arms and excellent speed. He saw significant playing time during the Big Ten season at Illinois as a redshirt freshman and has been dominating in his career at UWW.  Wonder if he will be healthy for the playoffs?     

Why did Jake Kumerow leave Illinois?

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 21, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
I'm afraid Huff kinda gets the short end of the historic stick as far as Wabash QBs go. He doesn't get injured and we have another all time great. 2006 alone was pretty impressive.

Yes. In the one game he played in 2007 he set a single game offense record that still hasn't been beat. His 2007 was going to be video game crazy good stats wise. Like first team AA good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 21, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM

Here we go.

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.

probably a bad thing to put up, even in jest. people are much to literal on the internet, especially if it agrees with the axe they want to grind...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 21, 2014, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.

Sounds more like something one does at Florida State than at Illinois.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 21, 2014, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.

Sounds more like something one does at Florida State than at Illinois.

I think Strippers and Blow 202 is an elective at Florida State.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldtiger on November 21, 2014, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 21, 2014, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.

Sounds more like something one does at Florida State than at Illinois.

Would they need to steal the vehicle at FSU? I thought it came with the package.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on November 21, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
Huff was seriously good.  Among the 3 H's in the middle of the last decade--Harbaugh, Huff, Hudson--he was, no disrespect to the other two whose achievements were monumental, the most athletic of the trio.  At about 215 to 220 lbs. he was built like a linebacker, and threw it as well as the others.  And they all could throw it. BashDad, you know that.
     Too bad he had only the one year, then the "bad break," pun very much intended.  And to slip him back in v. the Warhawks in that final game in the snow on the road was a terrible misjudgment of both him and Hudson.
     Because he had only the one stellar year, and after patiently waiting his turn, he will never be considered--better yet properly acknowledged--as one of the best in a long string beginning with Knott, and continuing through a decade of all-NCAC, and some all-American QBs at Wabash.  Them's the "breaks" (there I go again), I guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
That Harbaugh dude was legit... Dude could spin it.

I wonder what he's up to these days???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Desertraider on November 21, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 21, 2014, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.

Sounds more like something one does at Florida State than at Illinois.

I think Strippers and Blow 202 is an elective at Florida State.

Corrrection: Strippers and Blow is in fact an undergraduate major at FSU. I hear the immersion program has been quite successful in increasing the retention rate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 21, 2014, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 21, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on November 21, 2014, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 21, 2014, 01:17:32 PM

He was doing blow off of strippers in a stolen car. I saw it on twitter.

Sounds more like something one does at Florida State than at Illinois.

I think Strippers and Blow 202 is an elective at Florida State.

Corrrection: Strippers and Blow is in fact an undergraduate major at FSU. I hear the immersion program has been quite successful in increasing the retention rate.

Correction: None of this is true.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 21, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: bashgiant on November 21, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 21, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
There is no doubt that I worry about Franklin's porous defense, I have worried about that for over 30 seasons!  I do realize that Wabash's defense is awesome and stats show that the GRIZ really have no shot at victory.

I see a glimmer of hope when I remember back to 2008.  We lost to a very good Trine team, but the 2008 GRIZ were not dominant in the HCAC.  They squeaked by in close games against MSJ and Manchester.  The school's historical DIII playoff record was 0-1, having lost 44-42 in a home thriller to North Central (GRIZ also lost at Wabash 35-33 in 2007).  Come playoff time in 2008, the GRIZ were big underdogs to a very good 9-1 Otterbein team.  Otterbein only had one close victory in the OCAC (JCU), but they dominated everyone else except, of course, the National Champions in purple.  The GRIZ beat Otterbein 62-45 on the road.  The GRIZ went on the road again and scored their biggest DIII victory in school history by beating an undefeated (and seeded #1 or #2 in the bracket) North Central 38-28.  Let's hope for a repeat of history!

BTW Firstdown - Walker may be an excellent WR but how can you state that he is the best WR in the nation?  Jake Kumerow is a total stud!  He is 6'5", has long arms and excellent speed. He saw significant playing time during the Big Ten season at Illinois as a redshirt freshman and has been dominating in his career at UWW.  Wonder if he will be healthy for the playoffs?     

Why did Jake Kumerow leave Illinois?

Per the D3football.com article linked below, Illinois had a coaching change. Jake's sister played for the Warhawks women's basktball team so he was familiar with the campus and the program.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/west/2013/uw-whitewater-back-on-track
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe Wally on November 22, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Hell of a game, Grizzlies!

Hell of a quarterback you have there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 22, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
That Harbaugh dude was legit... Dude could spin it.

I wonder what he's up to these days???

Mostly just stirring up trouble on message boards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 22, 2014, 02:58:13 PM
Great game, Franklin. Just my personal opinion but I think Grant Welp may be the best QB Wabash has faced all year. He's seriously good and real tough. Y'alls receivers are pretty darn good too. Congrats on another playoff season. Hope we can do this again next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 22, 2014, 04:50:30 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 21, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
Wally - love the Matt Hunt quote on your signature,  classic.

Franklin also had a QB that was a 1 in 20 year player in 2008.  He was really good!  Chad Rupp...  Hopefully he won't be slinging passes on Saturday, no offense to Welp.

The Grizzlies have been blessed with great QBs over the years.  Steve Wray played for the Seahawks and Colts, Pat Brennen played for the Patriots, had a couple of other 8000 yard passers before Rupp.  Remember that Rupp was followed by Kyle Ray (Gagliardi Award Runner up), Jonny West who was All-America and plays professionally in Europe and broke all school records, and now Welp.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 23, 2014, 07:22:27 AM
Hats off to the Grizz... You played very hard...  Welp is tough as nails and battled all day...  Had some Rocky Balboa moments...your defense was scrappy and played hard.  Coach Leonard, as he always does, had the team ready for a big game.

Have a great offseason,  maybe we will meet again next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on November 23, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Great game by Franklin.  Welp is one tough character.  It was like he went 15 rounds with George Foreman and walked away bloody but unbowed.

If anyone had doubts about the Wabash defense, not only did they hold Franklin to 14 points, but those guys showed their true character at the end of the game when Franklin had a first and goal on the Wabash 2 yard line, and four plays later Franklin turned over the ball on downs about 30 yards back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2014, 06:23:25 PM
I wish all of you HCAC posters/colleagues here a safe and blessed Thanksgiving holiday with your families.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 03, 2014, 08:34:40 AM
Mount St Joe should definitely try to keep Augustana on the schedule for next year since they'll be breaking in a new coach.  Should be guaranteed a win for them since it would be the first game.  Anything after next year, they should consider adding a team from the Upper Midwest Conference since Augustana will probably get better next season with their new coach.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 03, 2014, 12:24:53 PM
Sad news:

Lauren Hill's family signed on with Hospice on Monday.  She's a brave young lady.  Her and Her family could use your prayers, I'm sure.

https://www.facebook.com/laurensfightforcure?hc_location=timeline
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sir Battlescars on April 16, 2015, 02:33:52 PM
Just saw that the Cincinnati Bengals invited a couple of players from Mount St. Joe's to what they call a "local" Pre-draft workout. What they mean by local is a player who played at a college and/or high school in or around Cincinnati. #BringItD3


http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-to-host-25-local-players-to-annual-pre-draft-workouts/c6ed72d9-8120-4852-9969-1191c078d62b (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-to-host-25-local-players-to-annual-pre-draft-workouts/c6ed72d9-8120-4852-9969-1191c078d62b)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 26, 2015, 10:43:37 AM
Looks like MSJ will be playing 1st year Football program, Finlandia University (MI) with their 10th game. 

http://www.fulions.com/news/2015/4/1/Finlandia-Football-Spring-Practice-2015.aspx
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sir Battlescars on May 26, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
It's Finlandia's third game of the season vs. Whitewater that really jumps out at me. Ouch! That's gonna hurt.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 26, 2015, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Sir Battlescars on May 26, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
It's Finlandia's third game of the season vs. Whitewater that really jumps out at me. Ouch! That's gonna hurt.

They are in for a rough season.  They only have 24 players in school for the spring semester.  They'll be very young.  MSJ should even beat them, but I doubt its going to be a 75-6 kinda game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 26, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
MSJ would rather play teams like Finlandia than the Bridge Bowl.  If I was an alum of that Mount instead I would have already emailed the AD.  That's embarrassing. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3FTBALLFAN on June 01, 2015, 10:23:33 PM
I could not agree more with you Dr. Acula! Someone can correct me if I am wrong wasn't the reason they dropped TMC was to get a more National schedule? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 02, 2015, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: D3FTBALLFAN on June 01, 2015, 10:23:33 PM
I could not agree more with you Dr. Acula! Someone can correct me if I am wrong wasn't the reason they dropped TMC was to get a more National schedule?

No.  They dropped TMC to have a winnable non conference game instead.  Their goal is to host a playoff game for the revenue and getting their face smashed in week 11 would never allow them to host a playoff game.  Note that they don't want to be competitive in the playoffs, they just want to host a home playoff game.

The HC left the vote up to the staff and only one of them voted to continue playing (he was a former player and frequent board contributor).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 03, 2015, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

oh I agree..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 29, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on May 26, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
MSJ would rather play teams like Finlandia than the Bridge Bowl.  If I was an alum of that Mount instead I would have already emailed the AD.  That's embarrassing.

Emailing the AD wouldnt make any difference and I can assure you, many, many alumni were not happy and are not happy with the state of the program. As Kevin said, only 1 coach voted to continue playing but it's best they probably didn't. If my teaching schedule would allow, I'd come back to coach there. I loved my time there and it was much more fun coaching in college than it was HS but they are becoming a downward spiral based off what I hear now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on June 30, 2015, 10:58:55 AM
Looks like MSJ has a pretty good recruiting class coming in.  Now if they can just keep them in the program.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 02, 2015, 08:17:36 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on June 30, 2015, 10:58:55 AM
Looks like MSJ has a pretty good recruiting class coming in.  Now if they can just keep them in the program.

They do?  I mean, I think its a decent class for losing their stud recruiter in the middle of recruiting season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on July 13, 2015, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

Does MSJ keep students on campus for part of the Thanksgiving week?  I don't think most schools do this, hence, most kids bolt for home the day before that first round game.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on July 13, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

The first round playoff games usually have well-below average attendance at nearly all venues.  The Wabash crowd was below average, past Franklin home playoff games were also below average.  I looked at several games last season and they were all poorly attended (below average).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on July 13, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
Fifth Franklin Grizzly signs to play professionally in Europe.  http://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150713bb91k3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 15, 2015, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on July 13, 2015, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.
.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

Does MSJ keep students on campus for part of the Thanksgiving week?  I don't think most schools do this, hence, most kids bolt for home the day before that first round game.

Majority of MSJ's students are Cincinnati area residents. I want to say about 70% are commuters. And they do keep students on campus. They have classes Monday and Tuesday of Thanksgiving week. At least they did when I was there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 15, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on July 13, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

The first round playoff games usually have well-below average attendance at nearly all venues.  The Wabash crowd was below average, past Franklin home playoff games were also below average.  I looked at several games last season and they were all poorly attended (below average).

Both those programs have played multiple home playoff games. MSJ's would be their first. I believe they would pull 4,000+ people.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
HCAC Football Pre-Season Coaches Poll

Franklin 77 (5)
Mount St. Joseph University 71 (2)
Bluffton 55
Rose-Hulman 50 (1)
Manchester 45
Defiance 37
Hanover College 31
Anderson University 25 (1)
Earlham 14

I expected Manchaester to be higher.  They may be the sleeper this season.

Did QB Greg Simpson return for MSJ?  I was surprised that he was not listed as a player to watch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on August 05, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
HCAC Football Pre-Season Coaches Poll

Franklin 77 (5)
Mount St. Joseph University 71 (2)
Bluffton 55
Rose-Hulman 50 (1)
Manchester 45
Defiance 37
Hanover College 31
Anderson University 25 (1)
Earlham 14
Any guesses who gave Anderson a first-place vote?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 05, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on August 05, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
HCAC Football Pre-Season Coaches Poll

Franklin 77 (5)
Mount St. Joseph University 71 (2)
Bluffton 55
Rose-Hulman 50 (1)
Manchester 45
Defiance 37
Hanover College 31
Anderson University 25 (1)
Earlham 14
Any guesses who gave Anderson a first-place vote?

Stevie Wonder?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 05, 2015, 04:49:36 PM
Probably their own HC.  We had a similar thing last year in the NCAC where Oberlin got a first place vote in the coaches' poll.  It has to be their own HC who plans to turn around and use it as some kind of motivational tool.  I don't think there is any other reasonable explanation for these things. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 06, 2015, 07:33:25 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Did QB Greg Simpson return for MSJ?  I was surprised that he was not listed as a player to watch.

Sounds like Simpson will follow Coach Huster to Davenport.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 19, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
Anderson gets 3000+?  Wow.  Good for them. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 19, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 25, 2015, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 19, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%

Great work on the attendance stats!  Have to say, that I am really disappointed in my Yellow Jackets.  Not tallying many winning seasons in a town where high school football it more of a priority, it's difficult to have strong attendance.  Out of 805 students, I wonder how many students actually go?  I wonder the same for all of the schools?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 25, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 19, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%

For me, the biggest surprise is MSJ's numbers.  They recruit in a large city with local kids and yet can't average 2,000 fans?  It has to be a misprint.  Or maybe I'm just used to seeing the bigger crowds from this little game they used to play for a Trophy* with another (and better) local team. 

*A trophy the school in Delhi just HAD to redesign after they finally won one. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 25, 2015, 01:38:38 PM
Has_Been - I can confirm the abysmal attendance from first hand, last year at Homecoming.  Aside from the newly formed band and cheerleaders, I doubt there were more than a hundred students (of maybe 1500 less 100 RHIT folks) in the stands.  Granted, many DC students evacuate on weekends and the weather was less than ideal.  My spouse had a larger student participation rate at her Thursday night lecture (Schaumberg was filled to capacity)  ::).    Hopefully, a new found spirit with Edd as helmsman will reignite some pride and interest.  -BW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 28, 2015, 09:10:01 AM
Trouble in GRIZland?  AJ Puente, the projected starter at QB, is no longer listed on the roster.  Freshman Cmehil, a top recruit, is also missing from the updated roster.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 29, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
Heard that Jeffrey Cmehil is a medical redshirt.  Still recovering from knee injury from HS playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 31, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 25, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 19, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%

For me, the biggest surprise is MSJ's numbers.  They recruit in a large city with local kids and yet can't average 2,000 fans?  It has to be a misprint.  Or maybe I'm just used to seeing the bigger crowds from this little game they used to play for a Trophy* with another (and better) local team. 

*A trophy the school in Delhi just HAD to redesign after they finally won one.
I don't think your bitterness will ever get old! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 31, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 28, 2015, 09:10:01 AM
Trouble in GRIZland?  AJ Puente, the projected starter at QB, is no longer listed on the roster.  Freshman Cmehil, a top recruit, is also missing from the updated roster.

Something tells me the Griz will just be fine!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
I don't think your bitterness will ever get old! ;D

the shtfks in Delhi replaced Defiance... did you notice that??  One at a time.  At least you guys were very competitive.  We had some wars.  MSJ - not so much. 

If they win the HCAC like they've been talking about - they'll lose by 45 in their first game during the tournament.


ETA:  Where are you in LA, has_been?  I'm thinking about buying a house in the Mar Vista Neighborhood of West LA.  Its actually off of the National Ave Exit from the 405. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2015, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
I don't think your bitterness will ever get old! ;D

the shtfks in Delhi replaced Defiance... did you notice that??  One at a time.  At least you guys were very competitive.  We had some wars.  MSJ - not so much. 

If they win the HCAC like they've been talking about - they'll lose by 45 in their first game during the tournament.


ETA:  Where are you in LA, has_been?  I'm thinking about buying a house in the Mar Vista Neighborhood of West LA.  Its actually off of the National Ave Exit from the 405.

That's awesome!  Let me know if that materializes!! 
I am in Calabasas/Agoura Hills Area, which is not too far from Mar Vista!  I used to live over on the West Side in Santa Monica and West LA (Pico & Westwood Blvd).  Once I got married and had kids, moved to the calmer Conejo Valley right off the 101.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Former Franklin QB Grant Welp has led the Orebro Black Knights to the Swedish championship game to be played this weekend after beating previously unbeaten Crown Royal Tyresö 28-25 in the semifinals.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 02, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Former Franklin QB Grant Welp has led the Orebro Black Knights to the Swedish championship game to be played this weekend after beating previously unbeaten Crown Royal Tyresö 28-25 in the semifinals.

I read that Welp threw for 2 TDs and ran for 1 TD in that game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 02, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Former Franklin QB Grant Welp has led the Orebro Black Knights to the Swedish championship game to be played this weekend after beating previously unbeaten Crown Royal Tyresö 28-25 in the semifinals.

I read that Welp threw for 2 TDs and ran for 1 TD in that game.
They have football in Sweden?  That's awesome!  Congrats to Welp!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 02, 2015, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 02, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 02, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Former Franklin QB Grant Welp has led the Orebro Black Knights to the Swedish championship game to be played this weekend after beating previously unbeaten Crown Royal Tyresö 28-25 in the semifinals.

I read that Welp threw for 2 TDs and ran for 1 TD in that game.
They have American football in Sweden?  That's awesome!  Congrats to Welp!

Corrected that for you. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2015, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 02, 2015, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 02, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 02, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Former Franklin QB Grant Welp has led the Orebro Black Knights to the Swedish championship game to be played this weekend after beating previously unbeaten Crown Royal Tyresö 28-25 in the semifinals.

I read that Welp threw for 2 TDs and ran for 1 TD in that game.
They have American football in Sweden?  That's awesome!  Congrats to Welp!

Corrected that for you. ;)

HA!  So right you are! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2015, 07:54:09 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 01, 2015, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
I don't think your bitterness will ever get old! ;D

the shtfks in Delhi replaced Defiance... did you notice that??  One at a time.  At least you guys were very competitive.  We had some wars.  MSJ - not so much. 

If they win the HCAC like they've been talking about - they'll lose by 45 in their first game during the tournament.


ETA:  Where are you in LA, has_been?  I'm thinking about buying a house in the Mar Vista Neighborhood of West LA.  Its actually off of the National Ave Exit from the 405.

That's awesome!  Let me know if that materializes!! 
I am in Calabasas/Agoura Hills Area, which is not too far from Mar Vista!  I used to live over on the West Side in Santa Monica and West LA (Pico & Westwood Blvd).  Once I got married and had kids, moved to the calmer Conejo Valley right off the 101.

oh yeah!  so you lived by the Pavillion?!  We go to the restaurant inside Nordstrom's for lunch.. alot. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2015, 07:54:09 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 01, 2015, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 31, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
I don't think your bitterness will ever get old! ;D

the shtfks in Delhi replaced Defiance... did you notice that??  One at a time.  At least you guys were very competitive.  We had some wars.  MSJ - not so much. 

If they win the HCAC like they've been talking about - they'll lose by 45 in their first game during the tournament.


ETA:  Where are you in LA, has_been?  I'm thinking about buying a house in the Mar Vista Neighborhood of West LA.  Its actually off of the National Ave Exit from the 405.

That's awesome!  Let me know if that materializes!! 
I am in Calabasas/Agoura Hills Area, which is not too far from Mar Vista!  I used to live over on the West Side in Santa Monica and West LA (Pico & Westwood Blvd).  Once I got married and had kids, moved to the calmer Conejo Valley right off the 101.

oh yeah!  so you lived by the Pavillion?!  We go to the restaurant inside Nordstrom's for lunch.. alot.

Yup!  It was a great location for the wife and me!  On our street we had Starbucks on one corner and Coffee Bean on the other side!  Also, the Apple Pan is right down the street too! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 03, 2015, 02:46:59 PM
You go Coffee Bean hands down, yes? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 03, 2015, 02:46:59 PM
You go Coffee Bean hands down, yes?

Wally,  at the time, I would be 50/50, but now I finally have a Dunkin Donuts close by!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2015, 12:44:56 AM
All that talk about MSJ - well, IF they win the conference, they won't host a playoff game... Again.


Maybe they should try to schedule Ave Maria College next season for the Opener?  Would make a nice bookend with the scrimmage they have slated for Week 11 this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2015, 09:32:56 AM
From Around the Nation: 

Steve Bell, the first-year Augustana coach, is hoping to break the team out of its three-season funk of ending at .500. He wants success because he has lived it before -- Bell joined the Vikings this year after more than a decade at Monmouth that included four conference titles.

During the hiring phase, Augustana school officials said they wanted an offensive-minded philosophy in their next leader, and Bell delivered. He brought change. He switched the team from a spread option offense to one based on traditional concepts: zone reads and power plays among them.

Though his approach is dramatically different than the past, he said his players were excited to switch things up.

"I don't think it was difficult at all," said Bell, whose team beat Mount St. Joseph last weekend. "I think they all coveted the change. The majority of it was because most of these kids came from traditional offenses in high school. So it's what they were used to."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2015, 11:11:38 AM
Interesting wording there.

I think the HCAC is just trying to get a better record in non-conference... MSJ playing Finlandia instead of Thomas More, Manchester only playing 1 nonconference game... Franklin playing Butler (which really doesn't count unless FC wins right?)

2011: 3-15
2012: 2-16
2013: 1-17
2014: 4-14
2015: 1-8
A combined 11-70 the past 5 years and probably not improving much this weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2015, 12:46:22 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2015, 11:11:38 AM
probably not improving much this weekend.

Hanover at Thomas More:  Should be a hornet's nest.  They are honoring the youngster who passed away during preseason at this game and also bringing back us 1995'ers on the 20 year anniversary of the undefeated 1995 campaign where TMC got left out of the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2015, 12:34:50 AM
I'm disappointed in Defiance. When I saw they were up 20-0 late in the 1st half at MSJ I was all ready to hear what SaintsFAN would have to say.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 01:47:10 AM
But they beat the spread.  :D  A review of the box score kinda said it all - and agree with your expressed sentiment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jackets Backer on September 21, 2015, 07:10:46 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 01:47:10 AM
But they beat the spread.  :D  A review of the box score kinda said it all - and agree with your expressed sentiment.

Curious as to what the spread was?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2015, 09:07:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2015, 12:34:50 AM
I'm disappointed in Defiance. When I saw they were up 20-0 late in the 1st half at MSJ I was all ready to hear what SaintsFAN would have to say.  ;D

Don't worry, I'm sure Cincinnati's D3 JV Program will give me plenty of ammo through the rest of the season.

They've already lost to a very average Augustana team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2015, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: Jackets Backer on September 21, 2015, 07:10:46 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 01:47:10 AM
But they beat the spread.  :D  A review of the box score kinda said it all - and agree with your expressed sentiment.

Curious as to what the spread was?
He's referring to the pickem (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4791.0) where I set Defiance as 20.5 point underdogs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 27, 2015, 06:48:18 PM
Happy to see my mighty Yellow Jackets win their first game this season in ugly fashion!  273 yards of total offense and with 8 total turnovers between the two teams, just awesome!  The true highlight to the game must have been Defiance's passing and Hanover's running game!  How the games amazing states didn't make d3football's front page is crazy! ;D

On a serious note, big showdown coming up with Manchester and Franklin.  Both 2-0 in conference play, so far and RHIT faces of with Anderson.  Will this be the week where one or two teams sit at the top of the HCAC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 28, 2015, 09:42:02 AM
I agree, big showdown between Manchester and Franklin on Saturday.  Franklin barely pulled out a victory at MU last year by blocking a late field goal.  I noticed that Manchester's big stud Dakota Nelson was out against MSJ.  Any word on his status for Saturday?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 01, 2015, 04:28:18 PM
Two Rose-Hulman players making life easier to coaches.

http://footballscoop.com/news/dont-have-a-remote-to-use-for-watching-film-two-d-iii-players-have-developed-a-free-solution-for-coaches/

Way cool
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 05, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
Well, the Fanklin/Manchester game was not much of a showdown, so RHIT and Franklin sit together at the top of the HCAC.  Without any slip ups, it could be a big game 10/24 at RHIT. 
On a positive note, both Franklin and RHIT are receiving top 25 votes!  It's a plus to see two teams getting some notice.  The last time this has happened was in 2008 I believe.  Franklin was ranked in the top 25 and MSJ received some votes. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2015, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
The last time this has happened was in 2008 I believe.  Franklin was ranked in the top 25 and MSJ received some votes.

That was before they opted out of Bridge Bowl after a coaches vote, I believe? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 07, 2015, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2015, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
The last time this has happened was in 2008 I believe.  Franklin was ranked in the top 25 and MSJ received some votes.

That was before they opted out of Bridge Bowl after a coaches vote, I believe?
You don't say ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 17, 2015, 04:17:44 PM
Franklin and RHIT both win big today, setting up a showdown for the conference's two best teams.

Cincy's D3 JV Team couldn't get it done today.  They may need a vote to stop playing Franklin, too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)

2-11 :  are you serious??????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 09:12:25 PM
According to the box score on the DC athletics website, one QB went 1-7 and the backup was 1-4.  Realize Cave is both a retiree and a Luddite, but if new math hasn't buggered up simple addition, it is believed this indeed totals two completions of eleven attempts for the published eleven passing yards.  ;D  On the bright side for Defiance, the ground game did garner over two hundred yards.  Perhaps, like golf by the ocean, the RHIT field tilts toward the Wabash making running downhill easier???  ;)  Hope you and your girls are doing well, Kevin!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 19, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)

2-11 :  are you serious??????
I was blown away myself when I say this too! 

At this point of the season, I am becoming very frustrated in the direction of the program.  Either the coaches can not develop players or we can only get subpar talent to come to Defiance. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 19, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 19, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)

2-11 :  are you serious??????
I was blown away myself when I say this too! 

At this point of the season, I am becoming very frustrated in the direction of the program.  Either the coaches can not develop players or we can only get subpar talent to come to Defiance. 

You need to recruit more Biomen and Volges.  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2015, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 19, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)

2-11 :  are you serious??????
I was blown away myself when I say this too! 

At this point of the season, I am becoming very frustrated in the direction of the program.  Either the coaches can not develop players or we can only get subpar talent to come to Defiance.

I believe it's a combination of both.  We do know your HC..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 19, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 19, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)

2-11 :  are you serious??????
I was blown away myself when I say this too! 

At this point of the season, I am becoming very frustrated in the direction of the program.  Either the coaches can not develop players or we can only get subpar talent to come to Defiance. 

You need to recruit more Biomen and Volges.  ;)

Unfortunately,  I heard the Biomen have difficulty throwing accurate passes or even holding on to the ball too.  Plus, they would also test positive for PEDs! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 20, 2015, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 19, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 19, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 18, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 18, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Tough day in Terre Haute for Defiance... unfortunate that QB Coach Espinosa used up all of his eligibility at OWU.  After an anemic 2/11 for 11 passing yards, the Jackets could use him under center.  ;)

2-11 :  are you serious??????
I was blown away myself when I say this too! 

At this point of the season, I am becoming very frustrated in the direction of the program.  Either the coaches can not develop players or we can only get subpar talent to come to Defiance. 

You need to recruit more Biomen and Volges.  ;)

Unfortunately,  I heard the Biomen have difficulty throwing accurate passes or even holding on to the ball too.  Plus, they would also test positive for PEDs! ;D

+K for understanding the reference.  Damn, I wish they wouldn't have canceled that show.  I really liked it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 20, 2015, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 19, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
 

You need to recruit more Biomen and Volges.  ;)

Unfortunately,  I heard the Biomen have difficulty throwing accurate passes or even holding on to the ball too.  Plus, they would also test positive for PEDs! ;D
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+K - well played, and even this auld codger got that one!   :o :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 24, 2015, 02:03:40 PM
The HCAC title game has been one sided so far in the 1st quarter... Rose-Hulman up 21-0 and has outgained Franklin 185-32
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 24, 2015, 02:35:45 PM
1st quarter was all Rose-Hulman... 2nd quarter belongs to Franklin... 21-21 with 3 minutes left in the half
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 24, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
While the first half was about streaks, the 2nd half has been a great back and forth battle worthy of a conference title game... 11 minutes left and it's tied at 35.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 24, 2015, 04:23:54 PM
Franklin survives 42-35 and most likely will win the conference and earn a playoff spot. Now can Rose-Hulman win out and possibly get a pool C bid at 9-1?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2015, 12:40:59 PM
Congrats to Franklin for closing the game out strong and gaining sole control of the HCAC's bid.  If they close out the season with two victories, which they should, I hope they get a decent spot in the their bracket.
In regards to RHIT, unfortunately their two non-conference wins were not against anyone with a strong showing so far this season.  Some amazing things would need to happen for them to get a pool C bid.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2015, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 25, 2015, 12:40:59 PM
Congrats to Franklin for closing the game out strong and gaining sole control of the HCAC's bid.  If they close out the season with two victories, which they should, I hope they get a decent spot in the their bracket.
In regards to RHIT, unfortunately their two non-conference wins were not against anyone with a strong showing so far this season.  Some amazing things would need to happen for them to get a pool C bid.

Seconded.  A 9-1 second place HCAC team needs calamity the final three weeks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcgrizz86 on November 04, 2015, 03:25:04 PM
 North Regional Rankings (HCAC Teams):
Franklin 6th
Rose-Hulman 10th
:)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 02:41:28 PM
Franklin is looking good to lock up a playoff spot. They've outgained Defiance 447-17 yards in the first half and have a 28-0 lead.
Chase Burton has now thrown for over 3000 yards and has 30TD this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
Franklin is officially in the tournament. 35-7 final score. :)
Meanwhile Rose-Hulman with their one in a million shot at a pool C bid is in OT with MSJ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
MSJ with a TD first... Rose converted two 4th downs to get a TD... went for 2 but failed and Rose Hulman falls 27-26
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
MSJ with a TD first... Rose converted two 4th downs to get a TD... went for 2 but failed and Rose Hulman falls 27-26

Just as well - a playoff team should have no issues with this MSJ team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 07, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
MSJ with a TD first... Rose converted two 4th downs to get a TD... went for 2 but failed and Rose Hulman falls 27-26

Just as well - a playoff team should have no issues with this MSJ team.

Rose was down to their third string QB against MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcgrizz86 on November 09, 2015, 05:32:13 PM
Just saw that Franklin's QB Chase Burton was mention as an up and coming QB in D3 on the herossports.com site :)


http://herosports.com/collegefootball/top-10-young-quarterbacks-d3-football/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 10, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
Congrats to Franklin on winning the HCAC crown once again!  Hopefully they get a decent spot to open the playoffs with.  The north  as usual, looks extremely tough!  Regardless of how the seeds and regions shake up, I do not see them getting any better than a 5 seed, so hopefully that is where they land!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 15, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
Totally shocked but very happy that the GRIZ has a home playoff game!  I think our high game attendance really helped!  GO GRIZ! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 15, 2015, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D

Nice!

I thought the GRIZ were destined to open on the road at Wabash again or Thomas More.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 15, 2015, 06:19:41 PM
Totally shocked but very happy that the GRIZ has a home playoff game!  I think our high game attendance really helped!  GO GRIZ!

Attendance numbers has nothing to do with getting a home game, really guys.  That's just silliness to think that.  It's all about the product on the field. 

Surprised there is a home game for Franklin but this shows MSJ you don't have to be undefeated to host a playoff game, just respected by the committee by who you've played. 

Was hoping for Franklin at Thomas More to see just how many people we can get on the TMC campus.  Oh well, another year perhaps.  Or maybe our ADs should talk Home and Home contracts?

Anyhow - best of luck against Ohio Northern.  Should be a shoutout - they have a very good offense led by a big time QB. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D

I texted Pat during their Bracketology Show last night that I thought Northern would get in.  They were a missed XPT away from being 9-1 with a loss at Mount Union and a 3 point win at John Carroll. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D

I texted Pat during their Bracketology Show last night that I thought Northern would get in.  They were a missed XPT away from being 9-1 with a loss at Mount Union and a 3 point win at John Carroll.

Well, you were right, but I still think UWP and Guilford were more deserving than Whitworth and ONU.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 16, 2015, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D

I texted Pat during their Bracketology Show last night that I thought Northern would get in.  They were a missed XPT away from being 9-1 with a loss at Mount Union and a 3 point win at John Carroll.

Well, you were right, but I still think UWP and Guilford were more deserving than Whitworth and ONU.

No question Platteville should be in...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Was hoping for Franklin at Thomas More to see just how many people we can get on the TMC campus.  Oh well, another year perhaps.  Or maybe our ADs should talk Home and Home contracts?
Franklin is always willing to schedule tough teams. I really liked the Illinois Wesleyan choice these past 2 years and I hope they schedule more games like Albion, Wittenberg, Baldwin Wallace, Thomas More, etc rather than UWW, Mount Union and FCS Butler.
Last time Franklin and Thomas More met in the regular season (there was the playoff game in 2011) was back in 2003 when I was just a freshman. It's probably about time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Was hoping for Franklin at Thomas More to see just how many people we can get on the TMC campus.  Oh well, another year perhaps.  Or maybe our ADs should talk Home and Home contracts?
Franklin is always willing to schedule tough teams. I really liked the Illinois Wesleyan choice these past 2 years and I hope they schedule more games like Albion, Wittenberg, Baldwin Wallace, Thomas More, etc rather than UWW, Mount Union and FCS Butler.
Last time Franklin and Thomas More met in the regular season (there was the playoff game in 2011) was back in 2003 when I was just a freshman. It's probably about time.

Hey, you got the same bottom line results from IWU as from UMU, UWW, and Butler! ;D  (Though admittedly, probably much closer losses! ;))

(Wow, did IWU lay an egg on Saturday - first loss to NPU since 1985!  Even worse than the Lions' losing streak in Wisconsin - ended today, started in 1991. ::))
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 16, 2015, 12:58:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D

I texted Pat during their Bracketology Show last night that I thought Northern would get in.  They were a missed XPT away from being 9-1 with a loss at Mount Union and a 3 point win at John Carroll.

Well, you were right, but I still think UWP and Guilford were more deserving than Whitworth and ONU.

No question Platteville should be in...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
I thought Franklin might have a shot at a home game or maybe being on the road in a 4-5 type matchup. More surprised at Ohio Northern making it.
Polar Bears @ Grizzlies... I can bearly contain my excitement :D

I texted Pat during their Bracketology Show last night that I thought Northern would get in.  They were a missed XPT away from being 9-1 with a loss at Mount Union and a 3 point win at John Carroll.

Well, you were right, but I still think UWP and Guilford were more deserving than Whitworth and ONU.

Agree on UWP over Whitworth but not Guilford.  They've taken heat (and rightly so) here for continuing to schedule the down programs in their area.  This year their OOC schedule was awful.  They played teams who finished 2-7 (Averitt), 4-6 (Methodist), and 3-7 (Greensboro).  You don't have to schedule a top 25 program but come on.  The best win they had was Hampden-Sydney, who finished 6-4. 

I also think it would've been tough to leave a North Region Pool C candidate out after being at the table from the beginning of the conversation, especially from that conference.  I'd feel the same way about a 2 loss team from the CCIW, to be honest.
Just my thoughts.  It also why I never had Guilford under any serious consideration on my Top 25 Ballot.  (BTW I was one of the holdouts who kept IWU on my ballot until this week).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Was hoping for Franklin at Thomas More to see just how many people we can get on the TMC campus.  Oh well, another year perhaps.  Or maybe our ADs should talk Home and Home contracts?
Franklin is always willing to schedule tough teams. I really liked the Illinois Wesleyan choice these past 2 years and I hope they schedule more games like Albion, Wittenberg, Baldwin Wallace, Thomas More, etc rather than UWW, Mount Union and FCS Butler.
Last time Franklin and Thomas More met in the regular season (there was the playoff game in 2011) was back in 2003 when I was just a freshman. It's probably about time.

Yes.  It could be a great series.  Although TMC leads the series, Franklin won the most recent and most important one in 2011.

I really respect The Grizzlies not being afraid to play anyone.  One would think teams looking to dethrone Franklin would want to do the same.  Instead, it's Finlandia.  As such, these teams sit at home come tournament time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 16, 2015, 08:36:17 AM


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Hey, you got the same bottom line results from IWU as from UMU, UWW, and Butler! ;D  (Though admittedly, probably much closer losses! ;))

(Wow, did IWU lay an egg on Saturday - first loss to NPU since 1985!  Even worse than the Lions' losing streak in Wisconsin - ended today, started in 1991. ::))
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IWU played their last two games without their best player, Artie Checcin.  He was awesome in the two games against the GRIZ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 16, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Was hoping for Franklin at Thomas More to see just how many people we can get on the TMC campus.  Oh well, another year perhaps.  Or maybe our ADs should talk Home and Home contracts?
Franklin is always willing to schedule tough teams. I really liked the Illinois Wesleyan choice these past 2 years and I hope they schedule more games like Albion, Wittenberg, Baldwin Wallace, Thomas More, etc rather than UWW, Mount Union and FCS Butler.
Last time Franklin and Thomas More met in the regular season (there was the playoff game in 2011) was back in 2003 when I was just a freshman. It's probably about time.

Yes.  It could be a great series.  Although TMC leads the series, Franklin won the most recent and most important one in 2011.

I really respect The Grizzlies not being afraid to play anyone.  One would think teams looking to dethrone Franklin would want to do the same.  Instead, it's Finlandia.  As such, these teams sit at home come tournament time.

I like the idea of playing Thomas More every season.  Rock solid programs on both sides of the ball, both teams still have ability to regulalry run the table in their respective confererences, so a win really helps in seeding,  IMO Franklin should drop Butler and pick up a tough D3 as a replacement.  (Not UWW or MNU though, LOL).  I think Depauw may be coming onto the schedule (at least I heard that). They are up and coming in the NCAC.  Wittenberg would be a good one as well.  I dont Wabash will ever be in the picture though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
16-0 at halftime with snow starting to fall. ONU put together a nice drive at the end of the half but stopped on 3rd and 1 then missed a FG.
Franklin with no turnovers and 4 of 5 on 4th down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 11:59:17 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.  Safe travels. :-*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
I join the others in wishing all of you HCAC'ers an enjoyable and blessed Thanksgiving Day and weekend whatever you are doing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Craft_Beermeister on November 26, 2015, 12:05:37 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 12, 2016, 11:48:58 PM
The coaches have picked Franklin to re-re-re-re-re-repeat.

1) Franklin (6)                  78
2) Rose-Hulman (1)          68
3) Mount St. Joseph (1)    66
4) Bluffton (1)                   56
5) Manchester                  40
6) Defiance                      31
7) Hanover                      30
8) Anderson                     25
9) Earlham                       11


At least Anderson didn't get a first place vote this year ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 15, 2016, 10:16:55 AM
Here's how my model sees it (without adjusting for returning starters yet):


School   W-L   Conf   Pool A Probability
Franklin   7.4-1.6   7.3-0.7   63.6%   
Rose-Hulman   7.2-2.8   5.9-2.1   19.2%   
Bluffton   6.6-3.4   5.2-2.8   9.0%   
Mount St. Joseph   5.5-4.5   5.1-2.9   5.5%   
Manchester   5.0-5.0   4.3-3.7   2.2%   
Defiance   3.5-6.5   3.4-4.6   0.2%   
Hanover   3.0-7.0   2.8-5.2   0.3%   
Anderson   1.4-8.6   1.4-6.6   <0.1%   
Earlham   1.4-8.6   0.7-7.4   0.0%   

Source: https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/ (https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/)

Out of 10,000 simulations, Anderson won the conference's Pool A bid exactly once, so maybe they should have garnered a first-place vote?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 22, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
I'll tell you this much. That fancy computer simulator you're using can't figure out Franklin plays 10 games, not 9.

Good luck to all this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 22, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 22, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
I'll tell you this much. That fancy computer simulator you're using can't figure out Franklin plays 10 games, not 9.

Good luck to all this year.

Just wonder if per chance the model doesn't include the Griz-Butler game due to divisional disparity?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 23, 2016, 08:30:13 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 22, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on August 22, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
I'll tell you this much. That fancy computer simulator you're using can't figure out Franklin plays 10 games, not 9.

Good luck to all this year.

Just wonder if per chance the model doesn't include the Griz-Butler game due to divisional disparity?

Exactly. My model is DIII only. No out-of-division opponents are included.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 24, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
Thanks for sharing HansenRatings!

Will this change as the season goes on?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 24, 2016, 11:57:19 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 24, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
Thanks for sharing HansenRatings!

Will this change as the season goes on?

It has actually already changed. Once Kickoff came out, I was able to update each team's ratings, adjusting for # of returning starters, and I re-ran the simulation. You can check out my updated conference predictions here:
http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/24/Kickoff-16-Predictions (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/24/Kickoff-16-Predictions)
and here:
https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/ (https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 25, 2016, 12:29:15 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on August 24, 2016, 11:57:19 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 24, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
Thanks for sharing HansenRatings!

Will this change as the season goes on?

It has actually already changed. Once Kickoff came out, I was able to update each team's ratings, adjusting for # of returning starters, and I re-ran the simulation. You can check out my updated conference predictions here:
http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/24/Kickoff-16-Predictions (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/24/Kickoff-16-Predictions)
and here:
https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/ (https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/)

Great stuff and thanks for sharing!  Love the data!

I like that the HCAC has two teams in the top 100 for DIII.  It is a step in the right direction having two teams some recognition.  Now all of our teams need to start winning their non-conference games and get the conference ranking up a few spots!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 25, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 25, 2016, 12:29:15 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on August 24, 2016, 11:57:19 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 24, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
Thanks for sharing HansenRatings!

Will this change as the season goes on?

It has actually already changed. Once Kickoff came out, I was able to update each team's ratings, adjusting for # of returning starters, and I re-ran the simulation. You can check out my updated conference predictions here:
http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/24/Kickoff-16-Predictions (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/08/24/Kickoff-16-Predictions)
and here:
https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/ (https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/)

Great stuff and thanks for sharing!  Love the data!

I like that the HCAC has two teams in the top 100 for DIII.  It is a step in the right direction having two teams some recognition.  Now all of our teams need to start winning their non-conference games and get the conference ranking up a few spots!
Maybe we can get some games vs the UMAC to help out in non-conference... we might actually be favorites in a few games ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on August 25, 2016, 03:13:07 PM
HansenRatings:  you might want to check your DIII football rankings v. Hansen rankings.  A bunch of your DIII numbers don't match up with what I see on Kickoff.  Start with the Michigan conference, but I noticed others as well. 
        It will be interesting as DIII moves through the season to discover how the two sets of rankings play out game by game.
        Thanks for providing another aspect to DIII.   
        While I'm at it:  kudos to Pat and the gang for another year of fascinating pre-season coverage.  The human-interest stories are particularly noteworthy--not to discount all the hard work that goes into team previews and rankings as well. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2016, 04:04:19 PM
I believe he takes our rankings and removes the NESCAC teams before comparing them to his.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on August 25, 2016, 04:07:08 PM
Thanks, Pat. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 25, 2016, 04:30:11 PM
Pat's correct. Can't include NESCAC in computer rankings w/o mutual opponents.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on August 25, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Understood, Hansen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 28, 2016, 04:15:21 PM
For any of you that are interested, DC's preview:

http://www.defianceathletics.com/football/news/2016-17/4479/2016-football-preview/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 03, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
Franklin down 14-25 at halftime to Thomas More... I feel like it's been a fairly close half. Grizzlies were stopped on a 4th and goal, TMC broke a couple big plays with the option and returned an interception deep. Other than that it's been an excellent back and forth game.
Grizzlies running game still not great against top teams, but at least it's moving forward and getting 2-3 yards consistently rather than getting stuffed for a loss.

Hopefully our favorite MSJ antagonist SaintsFAN is a little less happy in a couple hours ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2016, 09:22:19 PM
Congrats to Franklin.  You can't give the ball away on 1st and goal with 3 minutes left when you are trying to ice the game. 

Made too many mistakes tonight to win.  And the kicking game was terrible.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 03, 2016, 09:26:41 PM
That was a heck of a game. Great job both teams. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an encore performance in a few months.
Now I can breathe again and look forward to Butler next week :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 04, 2016, 08:09:10 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 03, 2016, 09:22:19 PM
Congrats to Franklin.  You can't give the ball away on 1st and goal with 3 minutes left when you are trying to ice the game. 

Made too many mistakes tonight to win.  And the kicking game was terrible.

TM may have run out of gas a bit in the 4th Qtr. Franklin kept after it and laid the wood in the second half. Down 32-14 after 15 seconds played in the second half. 29-7 differential after that. The GRIZ rolled up over 600 yards of offense on the Saints. We will see what we have for Butler next week. Great game by both teams. Great crowd and a lot of action and drama. Couldn't ask for a better atmosphere or game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2016, 08:01:51 PM
Okay, now that Franklin had the win they did yesterday, what do you Franklin fans really think their chances are against Butler?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 04, 2016, 08:31:03 PM
Honestly I think they have a shot, certainly not favored but get a couple good bounces and they could do it. Franklin has to get off to a better start than they did against Thomas More though because they're not going to come back from 3 scores down.
3 years ago coming off the near upset of Mount Union they lost by just 3, and in 2008 they did beat them. But last year didn't go so well with 4 fumbles and an easy Bulldog win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2016, 09:47:16 PM
Thanks FCGrizz for your reply and assessment.  It is a game that will be on my "watch" list for next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 10, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Grizzlies have Butler right where they want them... down by 21 on a couple occasions so far. :D
Was a slow start by both teams as neither did much on their first two possessions but since then the ball has gone up and down the field. Franklin had a short FG blocked on one drive. Butler just seems to be able to make the first guy miss and pick up an extra 2-3 yards and that is killing the Grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 10, 2016, 09:32:08 PM
14-59 final score at the Butler Bowl. Butler had a couple late scores in the 1st half and Franklin couldn't recover in the 2nd half.
Franklin just couldn't get any of the little things to go their way. Down 28-14 late in the 1st half they almost intercept a pass on 2nd and 17, next play Butler goes deep and get a TD. Next Butler drive, Franklin tips a pass that falls right to a Bulldog receiver who runs it down to the 3. That made it 42-14 at halftime and Franklin had little hope after that.
The passing game was close, Butler slightly better there, but rushing was one sided. Butler had 254 yards on 39 carries while Franklin managed just 55 yards on 28 attempts.
It was definitely a game with 3 minutes left in the 1st half, but no 2nd half magic like last week. :(

Now 8 conference games in 9 weeks to try to improve before hopefully another conference crown and playoff appearance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 11, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
On a somewhat positive note, the HCAC won their most non-conference games (5) since the 2010 season where they won 6.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 11, 2016, 02:00:31 PM
Butler made the Grizzlies look like a middle school team.  Even tough there are no football scholarships at Butler, they have a national recruiting budget and red shirt almost all of their players.  Seems like it would be a hard sell considering you would need to pay for five years, but Butler (other Pioneer teams) have made it work.  Of course, Pioneer teams have no shot in the playoffs versus scholarship teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2016, 03:49:09 PM
GrizFan:

Sorry your team had the showing they did against Butler.  I thought they would do better this year against them, especially after their first game win.  As far as the Pioneer teams, I agree with you that, in most situations, they usually will not go far in the FCS playoffs, however, you can never count them out.  Every once in a while, the top team will have a good chance at advancing, such as the Harbaugh team at San Diego, although the league wasn't a part of the playoff system yet that year as I recall.  Anyway, good luck to Franklin the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2016, 08:24:27 AM
Outside of Franklin and Bluffton, is there a point to playing out the string over the next 9 weeks?

The Heartland seems to be a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 17, 2016, 09:37:35 AM
Regular season nonconference record
2010: 6-10
2011: 3-15
2012: 2-16
2013: 1-17
2014: 4-14
2015: 4-13
2016: 5-13

It was the best the conference has done in quite a while... so how would the past few years be described? A dumpster fire plus tire fire that expands next to a sewage treatment facility? :D :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2016, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 17, 2016, 09:37:35 AM
Regular season nonconference record
2010: 6-10
2011: 3-15
2012: 2-16
2013: 1-17
2014: 4-14
2015: 4-13
2016: 5-13

It was the best the conference has done in quite a while... so how would the past few years be described? A dumpster fire plus tire fire that expands next to a sewage treatment facility? :D :-[

Driving an 18-wheeler into a nitroglycerin plant :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 17, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2016, 08:24:27 AM
Outside of Franklin and Bluffton, is there a point to playing out the string over the next 9 weeks?

The Heartland seems to be a dumpster fire.

Looking at the scores for 1 particular team, I don't think dumpster fire is a strong enough description. More like Death Star Explosion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 18, 2016, 08:49:25 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 17, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 17, 2016, 08:24:27 AM
Outside of Franklin and Bluffton, is there a point to playing out the string over the next 9 weeks?

The Heartland seems to be a dumpster fire.

Looking at the scores for 1 particular team, I don't think dumpster fire is a strong enough description. More like Death Star Explosion.

You think?  I don't believe 16-6 is that bad, though if I were Weaver, I'd be looking to transfer.  He caught 2 for 10 yesterday.  I'd be throwing the ball to him 25 times/game at this point as nothing else seems to work.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 19, 2016, 12:31:45 PM
16-6 isn't bad but their offense hasn't scored 30 combined points this year in 3 games. The hope they had to build a program left when Huster went to Davenport. He doesn't know X/O's but he can sell a bikini to an eskimo and they were 8-2 his last year. They had a ways to go before they would be able to beat FC but they were at least on a positive path. Based on the results the past 2 years, they seem to be going in reverse.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 24, 2016, 02:55:21 PM
Franklin hasn't looked that great so far, defense especially. Bluffton up 17-14 at halftime.
I think this is the year the Beavers finally take the next step and make some noise by finishing in the top 2, they've been on the verge lately but haven't been better than 6-4 even though they've been at least .500 in conference play the past 5 years. Franklin is 48-1 in conference play going back to 2010, but that lone loss was at Bluffton in 2013.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2016, 12:32:33 PM
HCAC moves up a few spots in the conference rankings!  I really hope that the conference continues to build their programs up and eventually have a better non-conference record playing quality opponents. 

http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016/re-ranking-the-conferences-for-2016
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 01, 2016, 04:29:08 PM
Franklin looked better today but still have room for improvement. It was 41-13 until a couple of late scores by Manchester (and several uncharacteristic penalties by the Grizzlies).
Blowouts the order of the day as Mount beats Hanover 42-6, while Defiance and Rose both have 30+ point leads in their games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2016, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 01, 2016, 04:29:08 PM
Franklin looked better today but still have room for improvement. It was 41-13 until a couple of late scores by Manchester (and several uncharacteristic penalties by the Grizzlies).
Blowouts the order of the day as Mount beats Hanover 42-6, while Defiance and Rose both have 30+ point leads in their games.

At least those two teams found someone to beat up on; finally, in MSJ's case.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 02, 2016, 01:19:49 PM
I know that it was against Earlham, but I'll take the W for DC!  Also, putting up a decent offensive performance is good to see!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 19, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
Does Rose have what it takes to defeat the Grizzlies this weekend?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2016, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 19, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
Does Rose have what it takes to defeat the Grizzlies this weekend?

They think they do.  But they don't.  FC is going to turn up the heat. Earlham and the idle week are over and its time to leave the starters in and get ready for another playoff run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Rose certainly could win, but Grizzlies are definitely the favorite. Honestly I'm more worried about MSJ than Rose right now. They started the year off bad, but they seem to have their act together now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2016, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Rose certainly could win, but Grizzlies are definitely the favorite. Honestly I'm more worried about MSJ than Rose right now. They started the year off bad, but they seem to have their act together now.

MSJ may have gotten their act together. Coach Leonard IMO needs to quit tinkering and let the starters play the 3.5 quarters they have earned. Send a message
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2016, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 19, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
Does Rose have what it takes to defeat the Grizzlies this weekend?

In a word, no.  I think Franklin's next test will come in Week 12.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2016, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 19, 2016, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Rose certainly could win, but Grizzlies are definitely the favorite. Honestly I'm more worried about MSJ than Rose right now. They started the year off bad, but they seem to have their act together now.

MSJ may have gotten their act together. Coach Leonard IMO needs to quit tinkering and let the starters play the 3.5 quarters they have earned. Send a message

We'll see but I feel like their only decent win was against Rose.  MSJ seemed to match up well with them though.  The telling stat for MSJ is third down efficiency for both sides of the ball.  They converted over 65% on offense against Rose and were able to hold Rose to 36%. 

No way do they hold Franklin under 45% on 3rd downs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 22, 2016, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 19, 2016, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 19, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
Does Rose have what it takes to defeat the Grizzlies this weekend?

In a word, no.  I think Franklin's next test will come in Week 12.

In a word, I was wrong.  Would like to hear how the game ended today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2016, 05:54:33 PM
Well, Franklin fumbled the ball (although there was question as to whether he was down or not as the refs huddled for quite a while discussing it) with under 3 minutes to go in their own territory while up 22-17, Rose scored a TD with 21 seconds left to take a 23-22 lead, they went for 2 and threw an interception that had the QB not stopped would have been returned for 2 points which would have given Franklin the lead right back.

Too many passes that the receivers didn't hold on to and Grizzlies gave up too many 3rd down conversions.

Now we have a 4 way tie for first with them all playing each other next week and all 1-1 against the others so far. Franklin needs to beat MSJ and have Bluffton beat Rose... Bluffton needs a win and MSJ win... MSJ needs a win and Rose win... Rose needs a win and Franklin win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 22, 2016, 06:44:39 PM
At least 10 drops today by the Grizzlies and a missed extra point.  The fumble was a weird play.  The play was blown dead for lack of forward progress before the fumble but it was allowed to stand.

The Grizzlies had zero emotion today and Rose was fired up.

If FC plays like that against MSJ, the season is lost.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on October 25, 2016, 09:40:00 AM
Since last weekend kinda threw the Pool A race into disarray, I figured I would share how my model sees the season playing out. First of all, the FC/MSJ game is now pretty much a pure tossup, and the four teams tied for first all have pretty even odds of earning the bid:


Team   Conf W-L   Projection   Pool A Prob   
Rose-Hulman   5-1   6.62-1.38   34.92%   
Mount St. Joseph   5-1   6.33-1.67   30.52%   
Franklin   4-1   6.41-1.59   18.06%   
Bluffton   4-1   6.13-1.87   16.50%   

Franklin needs Bluffton to beat RHIT this weekend, and (obviously) a win over MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
This MSJ team and the one that competed for the 1st 3 weeks are 2 different teams. The first 3 weeks, MSJ failed to score 30 combined points. Something clicked, or they found out who could/could not play and righted the ship. I'm happy for them as I feared they were heading towards a losing record which I don't think they've had since 2001 (0-10 season). Hopefully they can continue getting better and pull out a win against FC but history has shown me 2 things. 1 - the Cubs won't win the world series. 2 - MSJ will struggle on defense against FC and will have a hard time scoring at the same rate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
This MSJ team and the one that competed for the 1st 3 weeks are 2 different teams. The first 3 weeks, MSJ failed to score 30 combined points. Something clicked, or they found out who could/could not play and righted the ship. I'm happy for them as I feared they were heading towards a losing record which I don't think they've had since 2001 (0-10 season). Hopefully they can continue getting better and pull out a win against FC but history has shown me 2 things. 1 - the Cubs won't win the world series. 2 - MSJ will struggle on defense against FC and will have a hard time scoring at the same rate.

No dude, after the first three weeks they played 4 teams with 2 wins or fewer (including two wins against teams who haven't won a game since 2015).  Maybe they are clicking now, we'll find out this weekend.  They've truly played some horrible, horrible football teams.  I watched a bit last week.  Thomas More would put another 75 spot on the board to send the coaches voting to not play the Saints for a few more years.  Literally, I don't think MSJ could handle the speed on Defense and would get blown off the football when TMC had the ball.  4 of the 5 OL are over 300 and can move.

Crazy how TMC and FC are trending in opposite directions after their first game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 26, 2016, 08:12:57 AM
The biggest problem with the Grizzlies is on the defensive side of the ball.  The D has looked bad all season.  They have also suffered a couple of recent key injuries on defense.  They simply could not get enough stops against Rose and they were herrible against Bluffton.  The OL looked OK but there were several uncharacteristic drops by the WRs against Rose.  The kicking game also sucked with a missed PAT and a bad snap leading to a blocked FG against Rose.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 26, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
This MSJ team and the one that competed for the 1st 3 weeks are 2 different teams. The first 3 weeks, MSJ failed to score 30 combined points. Something clicked, or they found out who could/could not play and righted the ship. I'm happy for them as I feared they were heading towards a losing record which I don't think they've had since 2001 (0-10 season). Hopefully they can continue getting better and pull out a win against FC but history has shown me 2 things. 1 - the Cubs won't win the world series. 2 - MSJ will struggle on defense against FC and will have a hard time scoring at the same rate.

No dude, after the first three weeks they played 4 teams with 2 wins or fewer (including two wins against teams who haven't won a game since 2015).  Maybe they are clicking now, we'll find out this weekend.  They've truly played some horrible, horrible football teams.  I watched a bit last week.  Thomas More would put another 75 spot on the board to send the coaches voting to not play the Saints for a few more years.  Literally, I don't think MSJ could handle the speed on Defense and would get blown off the football when TMC had the ball.  4 of the 5 OL are over 300 and can move.

Crazy how TMC and FC are trending in opposite directions after their first game.

I'm not saying they are good. Playing the competition they have certainly helps, but being 0-3 and only scoring 29 total points to start the year wasn't because they were playing great teams. Augustana isn't any good, Bluffton is average, and DePauw is above average/good. Sitting at 0-3 I expected them to lose to Franklin and RHIT leaving the last game against Defiance as the decider of whether they had a losing season or not. I'm just happy at this point, they won't have a losing season. Whether or not they could compete against TMC is irrelevant.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2016, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 26, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 25, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 25, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
This MSJ team and the one that competed for the 1st 3 weeks are 2 different teams. The first 3 weeks, MSJ failed to score 30 combined points. Something clicked, or they found out who could/could not play and righted the ship. I'm happy for them as I feared they were heading towards a losing record which I don't think they've had since 2001 (0-10 season). Hopefully they can continue getting better and pull out a win against FC but history has shown me 2 things. 1 - the Cubs won't win the world series. 2 - MSJ will struggle on defense against FC and will have a hard time scoring at the same rate.

No dude, after the first three weeks they played 4 teams with 2 wins or fewer (including two wins against teams who haven't won a game since 2015).  Maybe they are clicking now, we'll find out this weekend.  They've truly played some horrible, horrible football teams.  I watched a bit last week.  Thomas More would put another 75 spot on the board to send the coaches voting to not play the Saints for a few more years.  Literally, I don't think MSJ could handle the speed on Defense and would get blown off the football when TMC had the ball.  4 of the 5 OL are over 300 and can move.

Crazy how TMC and FC are trending in opposite directions after their first game.

I'm not saying they are good. Playing the competition they have certainly helps, but being 0-3 and only scoring 29 total points to start the year wasn't because they were playing great teams. Augustana isn't any good, Bluffton is average, and DePauw is above average/good. Sitting at 0-3 I expected them to lose to Franklin and RHIT leaving the last game against Defiance as the decider of whether they had a losing season or not. I'm just happy at this point, they won't have a losing season. Whether or not they could compete against TMC is irrelevant.

Yes, I'll agree BUT, they haven't played a team the caliber of their first three with the possible exception of Rose.  Those bad football teams has made a huge difference in the play of MSJ.  Not only have they won big, but they haven't been tested since their 3rd game. 

And I'm always going to compare them to TMC; the teams were started the same year and compete for kids in some cases.  The only difference being one is a top 15 program (not team) and the other is a two-time Bridge Bowl quitter. 

It will be awhile until TMC slips enough to encourage Hubie to make a call to Crestview Hills, inquiring about a future game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
Good to see some MSJ bashing again. It's been too long since you've gotten worked up about them ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 26, 2016, 07:29:32 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
Good to see some MSJ bashing again. It's been too long since you've gotten worked up about them ;D

Thanks.  Just wanted to remind the folks in Delhi they are still a distant second in the Cincy D3 rankings, despite their string of wins put together against the lower level teams in the HCAC.

And with 75-6 in 2012 followed by 59-13 in 2013, they were trending in the right direction when you look at scores.  I don't know why they halted the series again?  Oh wait, yeah I do. 

I'm still incredulous they stomped on TMC's logo at midfield prior to the 2012 "game".  TMC moved their BYE to week 11 to make it official after years of having unofficial BYE weeks there previously.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 27, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
"It will be awhile until TMC slips enough to encourage Hubie to make a call to Crestview Hills, inquiring about a future game."

I think we both know the answer to that question....one way or the other. Just so everyone knows, there was 1 guy on staff who wanted to keep playing.....not saying who, but there was 1.

Anyway, I hope they can compete against Franklin and have a chance at the end.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 29, 2016, 04:41:26 PM
Wow, why is MSJ always a bunch of thugs?  Four personal fouls and two ejections today.  Happens every year!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Congrats to Rose-Hulman for making the playoffs... ok, they haven't officially clinched it yet but all they have to do is beat Earlham in 2 weeks and does anyone really think that won't happen?

Franklin is still in the Pool C mix, but will probably need a bit of help. Wheaton is likely first on the board. Then have to see how the NCAC cluster (Denison, Witt, Wabash) works out. Denison looks like they're about to lose to DePauw and faces Wabash next week. If Denison wins then they'd still be A and Witt would be ahead of Franklin in C... if Wabash wins then Witt would be A and Wabash is a closer call. I'll be interested to see how Wally's Mock Draft 2.0 looks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2016, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 29, 2016, 04:41:26 PM
Wow, why is MSJ always a bunch of thugs?  Four personal fouls and two ejections today.  Happens every year!
And SaintsFan will have something to say in 3...2...1... :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 29, 2016, 06:00:13 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Congrats to Rose-Hulman for making the playoffs... ok, they haven't officially clinched it yet but all they have to do is beat Earlham in 2 weeks and does anyone really think that won't happen?

Franklin is still in the Pool C mix, but will probably need a bit of help. Wheaton is likely first on the board. Then have to see how the NCAC cluster (Denison, Witt, Wabash) works out. Denison looks like they're about to lose to DePauw and faces Wabash next week. If Denison wins then they'd still be A and Witt would be ahead of Franklin in C... if Wabash wins then Witt would be A and Wabash is a closer call. I'll be interested to see how Wally's Mock Draft 2.0 looks.

We get official regional rankings on Wednesday, so there won't be any guesswork on my part with respect to Franklin and Wabash.  The committee will sort that out for us.  I think it's close per the criteria and I wouldn't be surprised with either order. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2016, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 29, 2016, 04:41:26 PM
Wow, why is MSJ always a bunch of thugs?  Four personal fouls and two ejections today.  Happens every year!
And SaintsFan will have something to say in 3...2...1... :D


Yes.  That doesn't surprise me at all.  The ejection of the OL could've had their CB kicked out too for removing his helmet.  It's a lack of discipline and it's why they lose big in games against good teams.

This results from a lack of accountability- if you're good enough to start there, the team rules don't apply to you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
SaintsFAN:

Thanks for the PM.  I sent you one back-check your PMs again. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 31, 2016, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2016, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 29, 2016, 04:41:26 PM
Wow, why is MSJ always a bunch of thugs?  Four personal fouls and two ejections today.  Happens every year!
And SaintsFan will have something to say in 3...2...1... :D


Yes.  That doesn't surprise me at all.  The ejection of the OL could've had their CB kicked out too for removing his helmet.  It's a lack of discipline and it's why they lose big in games against good teams.

This results from a lack of accountability- if you're good enough to start there, the team rules don't apply to you.

It's not only personal fouls. Vince's last year we played FC really close at their place (it was the year we should/could have beaten TMC). We had 4th and inches and had a false start. Our RB jumped the gun on a QB sneak. We ended up not getting it. FC scored the next possession which sealed the game. Until that false start, we were only down a score (I think it was 35-30) and were pretty deep into FC territory at the time. Making big time mistakes in big time moments wasn't case in the mid 2000's. Many FC fans will remember the 7+ minute drive we went on and the back of the endzone TD catch Wellendorf caught to win the game in 2004.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 01, 2016, 07:45:02 PM
The thuggery seems to be linked to Coach Huber!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2016, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 01, 2016, 07:45:02 PM
The thuggery seems to be linked to Coach Huber!

I don't think that is fair; but I know there's not much done when the kids step out of line.  Whether it be stomping the logo at midfield of your opponent or having different sets of rules for transfers, something is amiss over there.

I don't think they'll truly be a postseason threat until they fix that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 05, 2016, 04:44:22 PM
it is too bad Defiance had to throw 3 INT's.  They had MSJ's number today.  260 yards rushing against the Lions defense. 

MSJ is onto is off week; and not the Bridge Bowl.  Its just as well, 260 yards on the ground from Defiance would equate to about 500 yards on the ground from Thomas More while they set the school scoring record against MSJ for the third time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2016, 11:22:56 AM
Definitely a tough loss for DC!  Still like what I see from the program this season and look forward to seeing if they can build on it next season with a lot of returning players. 
One more week to go to take down Bluffton!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2016, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 06, 2016, 11:22:56 AM
Definitely a tough loss for DC!  Still like what I see from the program this season and look forward to seeing if they can build on it next season with a lot of returning players. 
One more week to go to take down Bluffton!

Are you busy all week during Thanksgiving?  I'm going to be out in LA for 9 days with the family.  If I can find ND/SC tix, would you be interested in going?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
Not 100% sure if I will be in town yet (may head to the desert), but if we stay in LA, I am down to go!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 08, 2016, 10:40:08 AM
Anybody getting ready for the Victory Bell game?  This is the first time in years that I am actually worried about the outcome!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on November 16, 2016, 01:01:52 PM
Best of luck to RHIT.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
I'm sorry there aren't any RHIT faithful posting here.   I admired the way Engineer teams played back in their SCAC days and it's great to see them get into the NCAAs after all these years.   Congratulations and best regards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2016, 01:06:49 PM
Hopefully they put up a good fight and represent the HCAC well. I have no expectations that they'll pull the upset, but I think they could keep it within 3 scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2017, 09:54:30 PM
Gonna be a new Head Coach on the sidelines next year for the Lions. Coach Huber is retiring.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2017, 05:03:55 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2017, 09:54:30 PM
Gonna be a new Head Coach on the sidelines next year for the Lions. Coach Huber is retiring.
And let the countdown begin as we wait until SaintsFAN says something about the new coach having the guts to put Thomas More back on the schedule ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 10, 2017, 11:51:08 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2017, 05:03:55 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2017, 09:54:30 PM
Gonna be a new Head Coach on the sidelines next year for the Lions. Coach Huber is retiring.
And let the countdown begin as we wait until SaintsFAN says something about the new coach having the guts to put Thomas More back on the schedule ;D

They are a long way from competing with Thomas More.  I feel like they will play TMC again if they hire from outside.  If they hire from within the MSJ "step-family", it will just be more of the same. 

If the hire is outside of the program, it will mean they've convinced someone they will do what it takes to compete instead the current way, which is trying to look competitive through watering down the schedule.

You feel me?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 11, 2017, 08:40:39 AM
If I were MSJ. I'd keep Hopperton in place for this upcoming year, then try to buy Coach Hilvert from Baldwin Wallace. He's always been a Cincinnati/NKY guy and I think he would love to come back if given the chance. That won't ever happen because MSJ as an institution doesn't care enough about maintaining winning athletic teams to offer him the $$$ he deserves to bring him in. Which is a shame because it would take him a couple years (like it did in the early 2000's) and TMC but MSJ would be back to being a playoff team.

As of now, I'd look at 3 former players and/or assistants as being the frontrunner for the job. Kyle Prosser, Greg Huster, and Vince Suriano. Vince is a football mastermind, Huster is a great recruiter, and Pross is kind of the jack of all trades in regards to college. Although Kevin and I disagree about Huster's intentions, I think the opportunity to come back to Cincy (where his and wife's family are located) and run his own program would be hard to pass up. Prosser just took over his former HS's program last year and I don't know one way or the other how he feels about going back to college to coach. Vince spent the past 4 seasons at UC but is supposedly "retired" and runs his own QB training. I know the 4 years at UC were hard on him and he's getting close to 70 but those "lifers" sometimes can't let it go.

If I had to pick one, it would be Huster. The only reason he came to MSJ was for the opportunity to take over when Hubie retired. That didn't happen in the time frame he thought so he left for Davenport because it was a better opportunity to get him closer to being a HC.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2017, 06:03:35 PM
The money he deserves probably isn't as important as the ability to compete nationally. Baldwin Wallace is miles closer to competing nationally than MSJ is. We don't even know what competing nationally out of the HCAC looks like, really.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2017, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2017, 06:03:35 PM
The money he deserves probably isn't as important as the ability to compete nationally. Baldwin Wallace is miles closer to competing nationally than MSJ is. We don't even know what competing nationally out of the HCAC looks like, really.

Depending on how high you set the bar for 'competing nationally'.  IMO, Franklin is a 'national competitor', though not obviously at a 'purple power' level of 'competing nationally'.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2017, 07:52:23 PM
Not to put too blunt a point on it, but I'm not sure present tense is correct there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2017, 07:52:23 PM
Not to put too blunt a point on it, but I'm not sure present tense is correct there.

Yeah, you may be right - I hadn't realized that 2013 was the last time they won a playoff game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TheInsideScoop on March 13, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
Water cooler Rumor mill gossip is Coach Huber took an extended vacation without telling anyone prior to this "resignation". Saintsfan, Coach Hilvert and his recruiting GCL, GMC pipeline are going to be all gone here soon, you sure they will be leaps and bounds higher for very much longer?  I am pretty sure when MSJ let Hilvert walk across the bridge they thought the same thing, then they lost 75-6 and that bridge bowl was buried six feet under.  The alumni that I have talked to, that know the situation in which Coach Huster put MSJ into will not allow that hire happen.  Also Mr. Sayer said the smartest thing he has ever said on this board.  Not the part where they should go buy Coach Hilvert, but the part where MSJ doesn't care to win.  That location, facilities, and education should help it become a winner.  However besides the Mens B-Bal, V-Ball,l & Golf teams, this entire athletic program has under performed for about 10 years now.  When will they make a change. SO top choices, I think everyone and their brother that played for him would want Hilvert to come back, but lets face it, BW gives him a real chance to win.  Coach Prosser will never leave OHHS, This resignation happened to late to try and get Coach Volker or Coach Minter to actually take a look..... I think it's time to go outside the MSJ circle of trust.  Your Head Coach has to actually be able to coach football however, be a coordinator, actually have your coordinators on campus, not have HS former HC still teaching as your Coordinators.  and be able to hire some solid part time guys along with interns.  If they want to win, MSJ actually has to prove they want to.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2017, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2017, 06:03:35 PM
The money he deserves probably isn't as important as the ability to compete nationally. Baldwin Wallace is miles closer to competing nationally than MSJ is. We don't even know what competing nationally out of the HCAC looks like, really.

I agree, but Thomas More was 5-6 years removed from being nationally relevant when Coach Hilvert took over. 2-3 years later it was a different story. It's not out of the question to think he could do the same with MSJ...however, I think anyone in the know, realizes MSJ won't put things in place that he would need to reach that level of success.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2017, 10:09:21 PM
Quote from: TheInsideScoop on March 13, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
Water cooler Rumor mill gossip is Coach Huber took an extended vacation without telling anyone prior to this "resignation". Saintsfan, Coach Hilvert and his recruiting GCL, GMC pipeline are going to be all gone here soon, you sure they will be leaps and bounds higher for very much longer?  I am pretty sure when MSJ let Hilvert walk across the bridge they thought the same thing, then they lost 75-6 and that bridge bowl was buried six feet under.  The alumni that I have talked to, that know the situation in which Coach Huster put MSJ into will not allow that hire happen.  Also Mr. Sayer said the smartest thing he has ever said on this board.  Not the part where they should go buy Coach Hilvert, but the part where MSJ doesn't care to win.  That location, facilities, and education should help it become a winner.  However besides the Mens B-Bal, V-Ball,l & Golf teams, this entire athletic program has under performed for about 10 years now.  When will they make a change. SO top choices, I think everyone and their brother that played for him would want Hilvert to come back, but lets face it, BW gives him a real chance to win.  Coach Prosser will never leave OHHS, This resignation happened to late to try and get Coach Volker or Coach Minter to actually take a look..... I think it's time to go outside the MSJ circle of trust.  Your Head Coach has to actually be able to coach football however, be a coordinator, actually have your coordinators on campus, not have HS former HC still teaching as your Coordinators.  and be able to hire some solid part time guys along with interns.  If they want to win, MSJ actually has to prove they want to.

I think MSJ's approach to athletics will steer a lot of outside folks away and honestly, MSJ has never gone "outside" so there's no reason to think they will start now. The next head coach will be someone on staff and/or former coach/player. I would be shocked if it was not. I didn't think of PJ but he'd be a good choice IMO and his biggest asset may be recruiting the South where there are not many D3 schools and good players tend to fall through the cracks because they aren't quite D1. Plus being the HC at MSJ has to pay more than LB coach at Kennesaw State. I'd be surprised if Jesse would consider it. He's in the NFL now and unless he really wants to be a head coach and doesn't care where, I can't see him leaving The League to come to MSJ. I still think whether the alumni like him or not Huster is a very real option. I'm torn. I grew up with him and his family was a big help to me growing up but I certainly see and acknowledge his shortcomings as a coach and a person. The bottom line is he has the experience, has had success (won conference championships with 2 different teams in D2), he's a very good recruiter though the integrity of those players he brought in can be questioned, and MSJ's best 2 seasons since the last playoff team in 2009 were his recruits. I tend to agree about Pross. I haven't talked to him in a while but what I hear is he really enjoys it at Oak Hills.

In a perfect world Jim Hilvert would be the answer but again, we all know, barring an act of God, that's not happening.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 15, 2017, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: TheInsideScoop on March 13, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
, Coach Hilvert and his recruiting GCL, GMC pipeline are going to be all gone here soon, you sure they will be leaps and bounds higher for very much longer?

Yes.  I'm quite sure of it.  Except for a 4 year period, Thomas More has always been leaps and bounds better.  The only reason the Bridge Bowl was renewed in the early 2000s was RH saw a 3-7 year in 1998 and thought the program was on the way down.  Hilvert and Koenig etc were excellent recruiters of the Cincy area, and so was Pross and now Norwell and Trevor have picked up that torch.  As I said below, the football future of MSJ depends on them going outside the circle.  If they don't, they will not be able to compete with Thomas More, or nationally.  The difference between Thomas More and Mount St Joe is the KY school has committed to athletic excellence as a way to increase exposure and thus enrollment.  As a result, they target the best D3 players in Cincinnati and are now going to Florida, Georgia, Cleveland (Regis' connections) and Chicago (Catholic connection).  They are also going the university route just as MSJ did.  The stadium expansion is coming - I've seen the plans.  They KNOW they must get better to compete nationally, which is the plan.  The two overtime losses in successive years to the NCAC Champs stung, but they are trying to grow from that. 

As for MSJ;  They've gone in the opposite direction with the asinine thought they would water down the OOC schedule and try to get a playoff home game.  Its a totally different mission than what their KY neighbors have.  As long as that was the goal, they weren't on even footing in Cincy.  You mentioned the late "resignation"... With the timing of Huber's departure, there's probably a 75% chance they stay in house with Hopperton.  Meanwhile, there are assistants testing the waters elsewhere.  Thats just how this works.  If they are going to stay in house, they should've announced it already to keep the rest of the staff together.   They definitely should've made this change sooner.  I'm a TMC Grad and former player.  I had heard what was going on in Delhi - don't you think the kids in HS's around Cincy knew, too? 

I'm not with Adam in that I don't think Huster would be interested.  He has already survived a coaching change at Davenport.  MSJ was his only D3 experience, right?  What's his draw?  To me, he fooled RH and everyone else up there.  His defenses were awful.  Anyways, I don't feel like MSJ's Head Coach makes more than a D1 LB Coach, which would make landing him a coup.  I don't know where they go from here.  If I were an alum there, I'd be hoping they go outside and find a young upcoming guy (a Dean Paul type).  Its got to be that...or Hopperton. 

Those are my thoughts.  Happy we are talking about something. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2017, 03:26:40 PM
An update on the Nick and Melissa Johnson story at Earlham. (It's good news.)
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/03/melissa-johnson-wins-fight-for-her-life
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 24, 2017, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on March 15, 2017, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: TheInsideScoop on March 13, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
, Coach Hilvert and his recruiting GCL, GMC pipeline are going to be all gone here soon, you sure they will be leaps and bounds higher for very much longer?

I'm not with Adam in that I don't think Huster would be interested.  He has already survived a coaching change at Davenport.  MSJ was his only D3 experience, right?  What's his draw?  To me, he fooled RH and everyone else up there.  His defenses were awful.  Anyways, I don't feel like MSJ's Head Coach makes more than a D1 LB Coach, which would make landing him a coup.  I don't know where they go from here.  If I were an alum there, I'd be hoping they go outside and find a young upcoming guy (a Dean Paul type).  Its got to be that...or Hopperton. 

Those are my thoughts.  Happy we are talking about something.

He wants to be a head coach though. That's the only reason he came to MSJ from UC. He was told that he would take over in a couple years because Hubie wasn't planning on staying long (which I believe was the same thing Pross and Vince were told). Per his dad, he left MSJ because he felt Davenport was a better option for landing a head coaching position than MSJ. As far as defenses, they weren't his. His first year Ron Coradini was DC, his second year he had the DC label, and may have made the calls, but he wasn't the one in charge of those calls. The following year he took over as Running Backs coach and Rick Thompson (former HC at Boone County) was DC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2017, 03:15:57 PM
Heard from a very reliable source at a football camp over the weekend that both PJ Volker and Jim Hilvert reached out to MSJ about the HC vacancy. Both were told by MSJ that they were not interested in hiring someone now and they were going to stick with Hopp as the interim coach for this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Franklin   0.7976   7.1-1.9   7.0-1.0
RHIT      0.7178   8.2-1.8   6.6-1.4
MSJ      0.5217   6.3-3.7   5.4-2.6
Bluffton   0.4198   5.5-4.5   4.6-3.4
Defiance   0.3045   4.3-5.7   4.0-4.0
Hanover   0.2772   3.9-6.1   3.8-4.2
Manchester   0.2160   3.6-6.4   3.3-4.7
Anderson   0.0319   1.3-8.7   1.2-6.8
Earlham   0.0022   0.3-9.7   0.2-7.8

Hard to tell if MSJ is a real title threat this season. My gut says yes, but the model probably wouldn't have them higher than a 15-10% chance if I ran a full simulation. My gut also tells me that if RHIT gets on a roll in their non-conference games, they're probably the team to beat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 03, 2017, 04:41:59 PM
Defiance head coach departs:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2017/07/goff-goes-from-defiance-tcnj
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on July 07, 2017, 08:24:12 AM
Mershman promoted at Defiance.

http://www.defianceathletics.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20170705f7ajpl
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 11, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Coaches poll is out (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20170809kv6sq8)

1) Franklin (7)                  88
2) Rose-Hulman (1)          80
3) Bluffton (1)                   70
4) Mount St. Joseph         62
5) Hanover                      57
6) Defiance                      42
7) Manchester                  37
8) Anderson                     31
9) Earlham                       19


Whoever did the numbers this year apparently gave every vote an extra point. Instead of going from 9 points down to 1 it's 10 down to 2. I guess you could stick Transy at the bottom with 9 points if you wanted. ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 21, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 11, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Coaches poll is out (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20170809kv6sq8)

1) Franklin (7)                  88
2) Rose-Hulman (1)          80
3) Bluffton (1)                   70
4) Mount St. Joseph         62
5) Hanover                      57
6) Defiance                      42
7) Manchester                  37
8) Anderson                     31
9) Earlham                       19


Whoever did the numbers this year apparently gave every vote an extra point. Instead of going from 9 points down to 1 it's 10 down to 2. I guess you could stick Transy at the bottom with 9 points if you wanted. ::)

There's at least one mis-ranking in there and I'll wait until the end of the year to say where it is. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 28, 2017, 09:42:28 AM
Anyone attend the DePauw - Franklin scrimmage?  If so, how did the two teams look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2017, 11:11:37 PM
Hats off to Franklin.  Man that offense is scary.  Don't be down on that Franklin defense.  They won't see a better ground attack this year.   3 TMC players with over 80 yards on the way to 391 on the ground.  The 4 new TMC OL looked great but it IS easier to run block as a unit than pass block.  But honestly, I'm not sure anyone on their schedule can stop their ground game.  And thank goodness for that.. because ...

Boy that Chase Burton is good.  He's a National 1st teamer in December, I believe.  He was money.  Very scary if the game is within two TDs.  Luckily, T Williams out-jumped his WR for a ball at the end.  If not, it's another crazy ending.  And his WR Alexander (#1) - don't think I'll see anyone better than him now that TJ Josey is a QB.  Very impressed with those two. 

For the win;  it's about time, Franklin has had TMC's number of late.  Keep behind these kids, Franklin has good size and will push around HCAC teams in 2017.  The Saints just really have some athletes in the right places, especially at RB and QB. 

Maybe we can rematch in the tournament, should TMC face down the gauntlet. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 03, 2017, 01:41:03 PM
Franklin's biggest issue over the years when facing tough opponents is falling behind early. You're not going to win many games against top 25 teams when you fall behind by 3 scores.

I really wish Franklin would quit scheduling Butler though. I love the Thomas More matchup and Illinois Wesleyan before that but Butler is pointless. I'd love to see them add someone like Centre to the schedule... they already play HCAC teams regularly.

Speaking of scheduling... what can Earlham do... the current senior class has yet to win a game. They've tried teams coming off winless seasons that are east (Southern Virginia, Gallaudet, Wilmington) perhaps they should look the other direction to a UMAC team like Greenville. They just got beat 76-3 by Millikin (which amazingly wasn't the worst loss by the UMAC) so it'd be a better matchup for them as well (and they're about to gain a 2nd non-conference game when Eureka leaves so they'll be looking for opponents).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 11, 2017, 09:23:44 AM
WOW, after seeing them in person, Franklin's defense is HORRIBLE!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 11, 2017, 09:23:44 AM
WOW, after seeing them in person, Franklin's defense is HORRIBLE!
Right up there with the Colts :-\

I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 11, 2017, 09:23:44 AM
WOW, after seeing them in person, Franklin's defense is HORRIBLE!
Right up there with the Colts :-\

I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win

I thought MSJ was hosting Bluffton, not Earlham????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 11, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 11, 2017, 09:23:44 AM
WOW, after seeing them in person, Franklin's defense is HORRIBLE!
Right up there with the Colts :-\

I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win

I thought MSJ was hosting Bluffton, not Earlham????

(https://media.tenor.com/images/45cf1d3e5f1e3dfffc3d2b98dc1af3d3/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2017, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 11, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 11, 2017, 09:23:44 AM
WOW, after seeing them in person, Franklin's defense is HORRIBLE!
Right up there with the Colts :-\

I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win

I thought MSJ was hosting Bluffton, not Earlham????

(https://media.tenor.com/images/45cf1d3e5f1e3dfffc3d2b98dc1af3d3/tenor.gif)

I need new material
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2017, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win
Well, I got 1 of 2 right...
Franklin held the ball for a massive 20:45 today which brings their season average up to almost 17 and a half minutes a game :o
Earlham was looking good in the first half up 16-0 late 2nd but the 2nd half was all Anderson as the Quakers losing streak hits 36.

I'll be interested to hear our resident "MSJ enthusiast" on the call at the end of that game. Up 31-29 at the Bluffton 41 with 1:52 left the Lions go for it on 4th and 2 but are stopped. If they convert the game is almost over as Bluffton only had 1 timeout left but if they punt they probably pin the Beavers deep and force them to go 60-70 yards for a FG attempt. Instead Bluffton goes 39 yards in 8 plays and kick a 37 yard FG.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2017, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2017, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win

I'll be interested to hear our resident "MSJ enthusiast" on the call at the end of that game. Up 31-29 at the Bluffton 41 with 1:52 left the Lions go for it on 4th and 2 but are stopped. If they convert the game is almost over as Bluffton only had 1 timeout left but if they punt they probably pin the Beavers deep and force them to go 60-70 yards for a FG attempt. Instead Bluffton goes 39 yards in 8 plays and kick a 37 yard FG.

I'm like, really sorry to hear this.  At least this Bridge Bowl was competitive ( see this weeks quick hits)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 17, 2017, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2017, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2017, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
I'm going to make 2 bold predictions for this week...
1) Franklin will have at least 20 minutes time of possession
2) Earlham's seniors get their first win

I'll be interested to hear our resident "MSJ enthusiast" on the call at the end of that game. Up 31-29 at the Bluffton 41 with 1:52 left the Lions go for it on 4th and 2 but are stopped. If they convert the game is almost over as Bluffton only had 1 timeout left but if they punt they probably pin the Beavers deep and force them to go 60-70 yards for a FG attempt. Instead Bluffton goes 39 yards in 8 plays and kick a 37 yard FG.

I'm like, really sorry to hear this.  At least this Bridge Bowl was competitive ( see this weeks quick hits)
I knew you'd be absolutely gutted by that ;) (I wonder how long it would take Indiana Jones to find and dig up that dust covered relic for them to use)

That Saints 3rd quarter is what I'm used to seeing happen to Franklin in the 1st quarter of tough games. Hard to watch sometimes. Maybe if the Saints would have held the ball for almost 44 minutes instead of a measly 36:44 then they would have won :D :(
Kind of sucks to have the big conference matchups this early on. Thomas More's schedule is ridiculously front loaded this year. The 2nd half is going to be a cakewalk but the damage may already be done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2017, 04:27:26 PM
That was the best the Grizzlies have looked in some time. Offense with over 700 yards, running game looked good, defense was much better than they have been. If they can play anywhere close to this the rest of the season they'll be dangerous in the playoffs... but it will be a few weeks (Earlham and bye the next two weeks) before we see if they can repeat the effort.

Thomas More lost again... last year they lost to Franklin to open the season then won their last 9 games. This year they beat Franklin in the opener and haven't won since. ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2017, 04:27:26 PM
That was the best the Grizzlies have looked in some time. Offense with over 700 yards, running game looked good, defense was much better than they have been. If they can play anywhere close to this the rest of the season they'll be dangerous in the playoffs... but it will be a few weeks (Earlham and bye the next two weeks) before we see if they can repeat the effort.

Thomas More lost again... last year they lost to Franklin to open the season then won their last 9 games. This year they beat Franklin in the opener and haven't won since. ???

Let that be a lesson to TM - beating Franklin is VERY bad karma!! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2017, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2017, 04:27:26 PM
That was the best the Grizzlies have looked in some time. Offense with over 700 yards, running game looked good, defense was much better than they have been. If they can play anywhere close to this the rest of the season they'll be dangerous in the playoffs... but it will be a few weeks (Earlham and bye the next two weeks) before we see if they can repeat the effort.

Thomas More lost again... last year they lost to Franklin to open the season then won their last 9 games. This year they beat Franklin in the opener and haven't won since. ???

Sigh
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
Since the this board has been quite and I have been an active participant of not posting ;D, I'll add some convo.
As I thought, the HCAC is coming down to 10/21 where the Bears and Engineers play for the title of the HCAC and berth to the playoffs. 
Defiance, though struggling, have begun to impress me with their young talent.  I really hope this coach keeps these kids and helps DC reload for next year.  They'll still probably finish with 2 or 3 wins, but I am optimistic about their future, especially with their freshman qb.
Finally, what has happened to the Saints?  I know that will at least get Saintsfan to post! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2017, 10:00:23 PM
I don't expect Rose to hold Franklin to just 22 points this year. The question is can the Franklin defense make enough stops when they're on the field for over 40 minutes because RHIT is likely going to run both the ball and the clock as much as they can.

Saints had a really frontloaded schedule. They are going to crush everyone left like they have their past two games to finish 6-4.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2017, 04:24:11 PM
Front-loaded schedule and trying to replace the LB corps and offensive line from last year. 

I think we took for granted how good those 8 players were.  They just needed a few breaks in a game and now they are really playing better, against lesser competition but still playing really well like past teams. 

I bet they'd put up 75 again on MSJ :)

BTW I'm coming to Los Angeles in two weeks, I'll see if I'll be around you.  May be in Calabasas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 20, 2017, 02:38:38 PM

LET'S GO GRIZ!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
First blood in the HCAC Championship game goes to Franklin. Both teams failed to do much with their first drive but Franklin with the TD on their 2nd possession to lead 7-0. A bit surprised at how up tempo RHIT is. I expected a slower pace to limit Franklin's possessions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 02:05:54 PM
Rose gets a good drive going but stalls in the red zone with a FG, Franklin with another TD and it's 14-3. Rose stopped around midfield and Franklin will start the 2nd quarter with the ball. They very well could combine for over 1000 yards today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
Not a lot happening in the 2nd... Rose got a TD on their first drive but missed the extra point to make it 14-9... been a couple first downs and a punt for all the other drives by both teams. Getting close to 500 total yards with 6 minutes left in the half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 02:57:56 PM
More of the same the rest of the quarter. Franklin had a FG blocked to end the half to keep the score 14-9 Grizzlies. 595 total yards between the teams but it's mostly coming in the middle of the field as neither team is having much luck once they get down near the red zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 03:34:44 PM
RHIT takes the opening drive of the 2nd half all the way and lead 15-14 after another missed extra point. Franklin again gets across midfield before stalling out. Rose backed up deep on 3rd down with a pass that was short and looked primed for an interception but the receiver manages to get a hand on the ball to knock it up and caught it for a 1st down. They use that to drive down for another TD and a 22-14 lead midway through the 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 03:45:47 PM
Momentum all with the Engineers. Franklin busts a big run into Rose territory but the ball is stripped and RHIT recovers. First turnover of the game. But as so many drives today have gone, drive down to the Franklin 30 and the drive stalls. Grizzlies offense finally finishes a drive and get a TD and get the 2 points to tie the game at 22 with 3:34 left in the 3rd.
Been a great game so far... over 900 yards of offense now and only 7 total penalties.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 03:56:32 PM
Rose gets inside the Franklin 35 but an interception on 4th down ends that drive. Franklin with their own tip drill catch and a long pass soon after puts the Grizzlies back in front 29-22 after 3 quarters. They've combined for 154 plays and 1033 yards. ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 04:18:14 PM
Something we haven't seen... 3 and outs... three straight drives without a first down, two from Rose and one for Franklin. Something else we haven't seen, a lengthy drive running the clock down... but as I've said about 20 times today, a drive down to about the opponent's 30 stalls out. Chase Burton with an unusual mistake on 4th down as he was running for a sure 1st down but slid down short of the line. Rose gets the ball back with over 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 04:36:04 PM
Franklin's defense steps up with another 3 and out and the offense just pounds away and runs the clock out. 29-22 Franklin wins. They combine for 1155 yards on 187 plays. RHIT went 3 and out on their final 3 drives while Franklin's final two drives ate up over 12 minutes. Couldn't ask for a better 4th quarter performance if you're Franklin.

This has been quite the matchup the past few years. And for all that's on the line and how close the games have been, both sides keep it very clean. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
Apparently there were other games in the conference today. MSJ quarterback Chaiten Tomlin threw for 9 TD ??? as 6 different players caught a TD in a 71-27 win over Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
Apparently there were other games in the conference today. MSJ quarterback Chaiten Tomlin threw for 9 TD ??? as 6 different players caught a TD in a 71-27 win over Anderson.

Anderson must be really bad
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2017, 05:21:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
Apparently there were other games in the conference today. MSJ quarterback Chaiten Tomlin threw for 9 TD ??? as 6 different players caught a TD in a 71-27 win over Anderson.

Anderson must be really bad

REALLY, REALLY BAD
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2017, 05:21:00 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 21, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
Apparently there were other games in the conference today. MSJ quarterback Chaiten Tomlin threw for 9 TD ??? as 6 different players caught a TD in a 71-27 win over Anderson.

Anderson must be really bad

REALLY, REALLY BAD
I know you're being snarky because it's MSJ... but yeah, they're bad. They had to come from behind to beat Earlham and the only two teams who haven't scored at least 45 on them are winless Earlham and North Park who's only win this year is Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 22, 2017, 12:22:30 AM
27 is the eye-popping number to me on the score line:

MSJ gave up 27 points in 2 1/2 quarters.  27 is the most Anderson has put on the board in 2017, and they've done it twice now.  The other team to give up 27 points to Anderson?  Earlham.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 22, 2017, 03:35:35 PM
Coach Huber leaves but MSJ is still a classless program!  Up by 37 with starters still in and throwing TD passes in the 4th quarter.  Still a bunch of thugs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2017, 08:48:35 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 22, 2017, 03:35:35 PM
Coach Huber leaves but MSJ is still a classless program!  Up by 37 with starters still in and throwing TD passes in the 4th quarter.  Still a bunch of thugs!

Maybe they were trying to take the spotlight off the MSJ defensive performance ?????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 28, 2017, 01:56:28 PM
With his 2nd TD pass today, Chase Burton has now passed Jonny West for most career TD passes in Franklin history with 106. Probably next week he'll break the career passing yards record as well. West threw for 10,653 in his career and Burton was a bit over 500 yards away entering today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 28, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
If he stays in the game long enough Burton will set the yardage record today. Still almost 6 minutes left in the 2nd and Franklin is up 42-12 as Burton has 6 TD and 369 yards on 23 of 25 passing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 29, 2017, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 28, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
If he stays in the game long enough Burton will set the yardage record today. Still almost 6 minutes left in the 2nd and Franklin is up 42-12 as Burton has 6 TD and 369 yards on 23 of 25 passing.

23 of 25 is hard to do even without a defense out there; essentially this case.

Congratulations to Burton
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 30, 2017, 08:13:32 AM
Franklin broke the school single game record for total offensive yardage (727 yards) and Burton (first team offense) only played one series in the second half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:08:30 PM
Regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2017, 04:47:22 PM
Franklin is officially your 2017 HCAC playoff representative. ;D
Grizzlies were up 63-3 with under three minutes left before a couple late Anderson scores made it 63-17
Chase Burton also passed Jonny West for the Franklin career passing yards record. He's just shy of the 11,000 yard mark.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:07:44 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 08, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:07:44 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking

The GRIZ more than likely headed to Trine, IL Wesleyan, or Wittenberg if I had to wager a guess.  Loss to Thomas More early on probably nixed any notion of a home game in the first round. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 08, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:07:44 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking

The GRIZ more than likely headed to Trine, IL Wesleyan, or Wittenberg if I had to wager a guess.  Loss to Thomas More early on probably nixed any notion of a home game in the first round.
My worry is it will be Witt because those are 2 of the few teams that are in reach of Berry. But I've been surprised before by how generous the committee has been to Franklin in the past.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 11, 2017, 10:05:39 AM
Any predictions on the Victory Bell Classic (the other bell game)?

Franklin will score its share of points, but the GRIZ defense is really bad this season.  I think the GRIZ will retain the bell but it will be a much closer game than in recent years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2017, 06:11:20 PM
Does Franklin have another surprise in them for Burton's senior year?? 

I think it's a good matchup.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 12, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Have to say, didn't see that matchup coming.
As always when the Grizzlies play a tough team, I look at the first 3 possessions. Far too many times Franklin has started off slow and dug a hole they can't recover from.

Massey says the Knights win 42-27 and give Franklin a 13% chance of winning
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 13, 2017, 10:43:27 AM
About the same odds when we beat Otterbein and North Central in 2008.   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2017, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2017, 06:11:20 PM
Does Franklin have another surprise in them for Burton's senior year?? 

I think it's a good matchup.

My take on the bracket is that Franklin didn't the first or second round guaranteed game of death (Mount, UHMB, OshKosh, etc). Certainly Wartburg will be a very stout opponent and the GRIZ will need to play well the entire game to have a chance to win. Looking forward to a great road trip and playing a team we have never played before.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on November 13, 2017, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 12, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Have to say, didn't see that matchup coming.
As always when the Grizzlies play a tough team, I look at the first 3 possessions. Far too many times Franklin has started off slow and dug a hole they can't recover from.

Massey says the Knights win 42-27 and give Franklin a 13% chance of winning

My model says 40-28 (77%-23%) in favor of Wartburg, so slightly less bullish on the Knights. In case an of you missed it, I've highlighted Wartburg-Franklin in this graphic: https://www.hansenratings.com/playoff-stat-profiles (https://www.hansenratings.com/playoff-stat-profiles)
Haven't watched Franklin play at all, but it seems to me like their best bet is to forget they even have a running game and just pass every play. Wartburg has been really good at methodically running down the clock in the second half with leads this year, so I wouldn't recommend falling into a hole for Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MediaGuy on November 16, 2017, 05:00:10 PM
Just a welcome invitation to any Franklin fans traveling to Waverly for the game this weekend...I hope you stay in a local hotel and eat meals at some local establishments...You may be tempted to go to Waterloo/Cedar Falls (the nearest Metro Area) just 15 minutes down the road, but you'll really miss out on some of the quaint and interesting places in Waverly if you do.  For meals, I would recommend the following

The Dirty Dog...Sports Bar near Campus, great bloody Marys with a bunch of cool stuff and really spicy food if you're into that kind of thing.
http://www.dirtydogwaverly.com/ (http://www.dirtydogwaverly.com/)

Sasquatch Jacks...Sporty atmosphere but great food
https://www.sasquatchjacks.com/ (https://www.sasquatchjacks.com/)

The Other Place II...Sports Bar across from campus, great wings and even better pizza
http://theotherplace.com/ (http://theotherplace.com/)

Or if you don't mind driving a few minutes across town, there is the East Bremer Diner, which has awesome sandwiches, and homemade salad dressings
http://eastbremerdiner.com/ (http://eastbremerdiner.com/)

Also the main road through town is currently under construction so please be careful and take a little extra time to drive through town, you can easily drive right off the pavement if you aren't paying attention, and your GPS might tell you to turn on a road that isn't currently open so be careful.

And if you are interested in listening to the game on the radio while at the field, the full broadcast can be heard on 96.3FM, AM1470 and 89.9FM.  The pregame show starts at 11am CST and has a bunch of interviews of the coaches and players and can also be streamed online

http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/KWAYAM (http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/KWAYAM)

I hope to meet a few Griz fans at the game and I hope you all have safe travels.  If you have any questions about hotels or things to do in the area, please reply and I'll try to help as much as I can.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on November 16, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Quote from: MediaGuy on November 16, 2017, 05:00:10 PM
Just a welcome invitation to any Franklin fans traveling to Waverly for the game this weekend...I hope you stay in a local hotel and eat meals at some local establishments...You may be tempted to go to Waterloo/Cedar Falls (the nearest Metro Area) just 15 minutes down the road, but you'll really miss out on some of the quaint and interesting places in Waverly if you do.  For meals, I would recommend the following

The Dirty Dog...Sports Bar near Campus, great bloody Marys with a bunch of cool stuff and really spicy food if you're into that kind of thing.
http://www.dirtydogwaverly.com/ (http://www.dirtydogwaverly.com/)

Sasquatch Jacks...Sporty atmosphere but great food
https://www.sasquatchjacks.com/ (https://www.sasquatchjacks.com/)

The Other Place II...Sports Bar across from campus, great wings and even better pizza
http://theotherplace.com/ (http://theotherplace.com/)

Or if you don't mind driving a few minutes across town, there is the East Bremer Diner, which has awesome sandwiches, and homemade salad dressings
http://eastbremerdiner.com/ (http://eastbremerdiner.com/)

Also the main road through town is currently under construction so please be careful and take a little extra time to drive through town, you can easily drive right off the pavement if you aren't paying attention, and your GPS might tell you to turn on a road that isn't currently open so be careful.

And if you are interested in listening to the game on the radio while at the field, the full broadcast can be heard on 96.3FM, AM1470 and 89.9FM.  The pregame show starts at 11am CST and has a bunch of interviews of the coaches and players and can also be streamed online

http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/KWAYAM (http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/KWAYAM)

I hope to meet a few Griz fans at the game and I hope you all have safe travels.  If you have any questions about hotels or things to do in the area, please reply and I'll try to help as much as I can.

I'll chime in with my food recommendations:

If you like Mexican, El Sol (I think that's what it's called now) on the far East side of town is great. Can't go wrong with a pitcher of margs and the "Fajitas for Two" (steak, chicken, shrimp, and all the fixins--not recommended for any less than 4 people with healthy appetites).

If you want some breakfast/brunch food, go to Dell's Diner. It might be tricky to get to with the construction, but it's only a few (5-ish) blocks from campus. It's your typical small-town breakfast diner, and it's incredible.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2017, 07:49:02 PM
Sadly I won't be there, but I'm sure there will be a good contingent of blue and gold that make the trip. And some good tailgating too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 01:12:12 PM
Nice first drive for Franklin. 7-0 less than 4 minutes into the game.
Franklin has had issues in the 1st quarter in tough games. Much better start so far.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 18, 2017, 01:33:28 PM
Where is Alexander?  We are missing the top WR in D3.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 18, 2017, 01:48:16 PM
Concussion protocol from Thursday practice.   :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
Franklin rips the ball loose right at the goal line to keep the score tied at 14... and then the Wartburg coach with a 15 yard penalty arguing.
Have to say, refs haven't been unkind to the Griz today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 02:12:56 PM
21-21 at halftime. That's already the 2nd most points Wartburg has given up this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 03:05:01 PM
28-28 headed to the 4th... Franklin with the wind at their back.
One of a few close games in the first round
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
Headed to OT tied at 28. Franklin failed on 4th and 4 from the 9 in the 3rd quarter going into the wind. I have no problem with that call. They failed on a 4th and 1 inside the 5 about midway through the 4th... that one I would have kicked the FG.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
Heartbreaker for the Grizzlies. Wartburg scores first in OT... Franklin matches but goes for 2 and the ball is just a bit behind the receiver and off his hands. Wartburg survives 35-34.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 18, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
FC chose not to take three easy kicks and it cost them!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
Heartbreaker for the Grizzlies. Wartburg scores first in OT... Franklin matches but goes for 2 and the ball is just a bit behind the receiver and off his hands. Wartburg survives 35-34.

Just watched that also on the video feed.  Gutsy call to go for it.  While I have no problem with that decision, personally, I would have kicked the PT and played for the 3rd OT.  Also, I think the play called was not a good one.  Some misdirection/play action would have been much better.  Touch loss for Franklin, lucky for Wartburg, but, overall a great playoff game.  No sure that Wartburg goes on after next, week, but as well all know, anything can happen.  Good season for Franklin; ouch for this last play.  :( 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 18, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
FC chose not to take three easy kicks and it cost them!
I assume you're talking about the FG in the 3rd, FG in the 4th, and XP in OT... first off... not easy kicks at all.  Colligan was 3 of 6 for the year with a long of 25 yards... not exactly confident in his abilities.
I have no problem with the call in the 3rd. Still early and a season long kick into the wind? Not a chance.
4th quarter certainly should have kicked. Tie game in the 4th quarter with the wind at your back on slightly more than an extra point... take the points and the lead.
The OT call... I'm 50/50 on. Certainly could have called a better play though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 18, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 but that seems to be too much risk for a playoff game!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2017, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2017, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 18, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
FC chose not to take three easy kicks and it cost them!
I assume you're talking about the FG in the 3rd, FG in the 4th, and XP in OT... first off... not easy kicks at all.  Colligan was 3 of 6 for the year with a long of 25 yards... not exactly confident in his abilities.
I have no problem with the call in the 3rd. Still early and a season long kick into the wind? Not a chance.
4th quarter certainly should have kicked. Tie game in the 4th quarter with the wind at your back on slightly more than an extra point... take the points and the lead.
The OT call... I'm 50/50 on. Certainly could have called a better play though.

Actually, I was referring to the OT call.  While I am kind of 50/50 with it as you are, what I meant to say was then when it really comes down to it, were I the coach making the decision, I would have gone for the tie to remain playing for another OT period.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 18, 2017, 07:38:04 PM
What formerd3db said.
Franklin worked and had a fine season.
No guts, no glory.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on November 20, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Analytically speaking, the general consensus is to go for 2 and the win if
A) You're the underdog
B) You're on the road

Franklin was both, although they didn't play like much of an underdog. The thinking is that the more opportunities you give the favorite/home team, the more likely they are to pull away. Good decision, questionable play call (though I did hold my breath for about 10 seconds waiting for a DPI before I celebrated). I wonder if the quick snap threw off a little bit of the timing, because the throw wasn't great.

I was impressed by the Franklin OL. I thought we were going to get more pressure on Burton, and didn't think Franklin would be able to run as well as they did.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jamtod on November 20, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on November 20, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Analytically speaking, the general consensus is to go for 2 and the win if
A) You're the underdog
B) You're on the road

Franklin was both, although they didn't play like much of an underdog. The thinking is that the more opportunities you give the favorite/home team, the more likely they are to pull away. Good decision, questionable play call (though I did hold my breath for about 10 seconds waiting for a DPI before I celebrated). I wonder if the quick snap threw off a little bit of the timing, because the throw wasn't great.

I was impressed by the Franklin OL. I thought we were going to get more pressure on Burton, and didn't think Franklin would be able to run as well as they did.

I could not find any D3 stats on two point conversions. NCAA.com indicates that the D1 rate has ranged from 34.3% (2014) to 47.1% (1970), which results in an expected point outcome of well under 1. I suspect D3 numbers might be higher, as scoring across the board is higher and the disparity between the haves and have nots is more significant. Extrapolating that to an expectation of success for Franklin against Wartburg is a bit of a leap though. Certainly, there are some situations or opponents where the odds of success on 2-pt conversion are well above 50% and some where it is much lower.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on November 20, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on November 20, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Analytically speaking, the general consensus is to go for 2 and the win if
A) You're the underdog
B) You're on the road

Franklin was both, although they didn't play like much of an underdog. The thinking is that the more opportunities you give the favorite/home team, the more likely they are to pull away. Good decision, questionable play call (though I did hold my breath for about 10 seconds waiting for a DPI before I celebrated). I wonder if the quick snap threw off a little bit of the timing, because the throw wasn't great.

I was impressed by the Franklin OL. I thought we were going to get more pressure on Burton, and didn't think Franklin would be able to run as well as they did.

I could not find any D3 stats on two point conversions. NCAA.com indicates that the D1 rate has ranged from 34.3% (2014) to 47.1% (1970), which results in an expected point outcome of well under 1. I suspect D3 numbers might be higher, as scoring across the board is higher and the disparity between the haves and have nots is more significant. Extrapolating that to an expectation of success for Franklin against Wartburg is a bit of a leap though. Certainly, there are some situations or opponents where the odds of success on 2-pt conversion are well above 50% and some where it is much lower.

And to keep perspective on the alternative to going for two - in D1 I'd imagine the XP is virtually a sure thing (over 90%?); at many D3 schools, the XP is FAR from guaranteed (don't know the quality of Franklin's kicker long term).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2017, 06:16:47 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I agree with you about the XP (i.e. PAT) in DIII. Our (Hope's) usually reliable kicker this year had an erratic year.  Still, I would have played it more safe and tried the PAT.  Also, I agree with HansenRatings, okay decision, but questionable play call. ::)

Switching topics for a moment, your former EMU, while not going to obtain a winning record this year, still had decent season, IMO.  If you look at their scores, they lost 4-5 games very close (including Kentucky), although we must admit that, overall, the MAC is not as good this year as it has been in recent years.  Still, I believe Creighton has them in the right direction.  Unless there is an implosion in the next couple of years, I think he will be around for some time (at least more than some of the more recent EMU Head Coaches in the past couple of decades).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
When talking about the coach of a non-Power5 team, you have to be careful what you wish for!  You don't want him to be bad, of course, but if he's TOO good you'll just lose him anyway - and you can't ALWAYS count on the next guy being another great up-and-comer. :(  Maybe the solution is a steady diet of 7-6, 8-5 seasons! ;)

Though that doesn't seem very satisfying either. ::) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2017, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
When talking about the coach of a non-Power5 team, you have to be careful what you wish for!  You don't want him to be bad, of course, but if he's TOO good you'll just lose him anyway - and you can't ALWAYS count on the next guy being another great up-and-comer. :(  Maybe the solution is a steady diet of 7-6, 8-5 seasons! ;)

Though that doesn't seem very satisfying either. ::)

For sure in all aspects you mention! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on November 20, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
Over the offseason, I scraped all of the plays from the 2016 season, but never got around to doing much with it. As far as 2pt conversions vs. PAT averages go, teams converted 44.3% of 2pt conversions last season, and 89.6% of PATs, which is essentially a wash when it comes to expected point value. Given that they were going into what appeared to be a decent wind, and that Franklin's kicker may have been below-average (just going by previous comments on here), I'm still confident going for 2 was the right call.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2017, 10:50:36 PM
Looking at stats, I believe Franklin was 4 for 4 on 2 point conversions this season before that final one. 68 of 70 on extra points (which I'll admit was better than I thought)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jamtod on November 20, 2017, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2017, 10:50:36 PM
Looking at stats, I believe Franklin was 4 for 4 on 2 point conversions this season before that final one. 68 of 70 on extra points (which I'll admit was better than I thought)

How does Wartburg's defense compare to the other defenses that Franklin was successful against? The % statistics aren't as predictive as we'd like them to be, as I imagine a good number of 2 pt conversions during the year happen against lesser opponents where, legitimately, the odds of success on 2 is almost as good as hitting the EP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2017, 07:14:50 AM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on November 20, 2017, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2017, 10:50:36 PM
Looking at stats, I believe Franklin was 4 for 4 on 2 point conversions this season before that final one. 68 of 70 on extra points (which I'll admit was better than I thought)

How does Wartburg's defense compare to the other defenses that Franklin was successful against? The % statistics aren't as predictive as we'd like them to be, as I imagine a good number of 2 pt conversions during the year happen against lesser opponents where, legitimately, the odds of success on 2 is almost as good as hitting the EP.
Surprisingly they were all against the three toughest opponents Franklin played in the regular season. Two against Thomas More, one against Butler, one against Rose-Hulman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 26, 2018, 11:57:02 AM
Thomas More has released its schedule for 2018.  Its a really tough one in terms of having 7 road games, distance to be traveled and who they have scheduled.

There are four games which really stand out:  At home vs. UW Plattville and Muhlenberg , road games Saint Johns and Huntington.

Notice there is one HCAC squad on this schedule.  (Hint:  Its still not MSJ, can't say I blame them though)

You'll also notice they have their first D2 opponent since the Dean Paul era.. when they host Lake Erie College.

http://tmcsaints.com/sports/fball/2018-19/schedule
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 26, 2018, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 26, 2018, 11:57:02 AM
Thomas More has released its schedule for 2018.  Its a really tough one in terms of having 7 road games, distance to be traveled and who they have scheduled.

There are four games which really stand out:  At home vs. UW Plattville and Muhlenberg , road games Saint Johns and Huntington.

Notice there is one HCAC squad on this schedule.  (Hint:  Its still not MSJ, can't say I blame them though)

You'll also notice they have their first D2 opponent since the Dean Paul era.. when they host Lake Erie College.

http://tmcsaints.com/sports/fball/2018-19/schedule

SaintsFAN:

So what is your opinion, then, if Thomas More defeats Lake Erie? The latter is not a great D2 program talentwise, at least so far. 

BTW, how is your friend/former teammate doing?  I fear to ask, but have kept him and family in prayer, even though I do not know them.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 27, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 26, 2018, 05:11:26 PM

SaintsFAN:

So what is your opinion, then, if Thomas More defeats Lake Erie? The latter is not a great D2 program talentwise, at least so far. 

BTW, how is your friend/former teammate doing?  I fear to ask, but have kept him and family in prayer, even though I do not know them.

I feel like they should beat Lake Erie.  The team is pretty loaded with talent, but needs a QB to develop early in 2018.  If that happens, this will be a very good D3 team in 2018.  I don't think a win against Lake Erie means anything more than they beat that team in 2018.  They'll have to upgrade the recruiting if they head up a division. 

Thanks for asking:  My friend is doing as well as can be expected.  He's a fighter and loves that he is able to visit with his family and friends.  I'm hoping to be back in Cincy in three weeks for work and get another chance to visit with him.  I spoke with Dean Paul last year about him.   Dean was a first year coach our senior year in 1999.  My friend was a heckuva TE and leader of our team and it was clear right away to Dean.  We had Spring conditioning at 6AM for a week.  My friend gave a speech to the team about Geronimo and how/why the army uses that term for being "all in" (why they yell Geronimo when they jump out of planes).  18 years later, Coach Paul remembers this speech vividly, despite how many speeches he's heard over the years.  Thats impressive to me and shows how special my friend is. 

Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 01, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 27, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 26, 2018, 05:11:26 PM

SaintsFAN:

So what is your opinion, then, if Thomas More defeats Lake Erie? The latter is not a great D2 program talentwise, at least so far. 

BTW, how is your friend/former teammate doing?  I fear to ask, but have kept him and family in prayer, even though I do not know them.

I feel like they should beat Lake Erie.  The team is pretty loaded with talent, but needs a QB to develop early in 2018.  If that happens, this will be a very good D3 team in 2018.  I don't think a win against Lake Erie means anything more than they beat that team in 2018.  They'll have to upgrade the recruiting if they head up a division. 

Thanks for asking:  My friend is doing as well as can be expected.  He's a fighter and loves that he is able to visit with his family and friends.  I'm hoping to be back in Cincy in three weeks for work and get another chance to visit with him.  I spoke with Dean Paul last year about him.   Dean was a first year coach our senior year in 1999.  My friend was a heckuva TE and leader of our team and it was clear right away to Dean.  We had Spring conditioning at 6AM for a week.  My friend gave a speech to the team about Geronimo and how/why the army uses that term for being "all in" (why they yell Geronimo when they jump out of planes).  18 years later, Coach Paul remembers this speech vividly, despite how many speeches he's heard over the years.  Thats impressive to me and shows how special my friend is. 

Thanks for asking.

You are welcome, my friend and thanks for the update on that as well as your thoughts about your TMC playing Erie College.  Talk to you later; we'll keep in contact.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
Quiet as usual around here so here's a list of all the non-conference games for the upcoming season

Franklin (8-3, 8-0): vs Benedictine (7-3); @ Albion (4-6)
Rose-Hulman (8-2, 7-1): @ Mount Union (15-0); vs Rhodes (4-6)
Mount St Joseph (6-4, 5-3): vs Capital (1-9); @ Morehead St (FCS 4-7)
Manchester (6-4, 5-3): @ Trine (11-1); @ Alma (4-6)
Hanover (4-6, 4-4): @ Centre (9-1); vs Thomas More (6-4)
Bluffton (4-6, 4-4): vs Wooster (6-4); @ Trine (11-1)
Defiance (2-8, 2-6): vs Albion (4-6); vs Hope (8-2)
Anderson (1-9, 1-7): @ North Park (3-7); vs Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA and inaugural season)
Earlham (0-10, 0-8): vs Wilmington (2-8); vs Hiram (2-8)

Last year the conference won a massive 3 non-conference games... I see some winnable games on that list.

And for SaintsFan... something something MSJ playing a Kentucky school that's 2 levels above them (guess it's ok to get crushed if it's to an FCS team :-\)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 07, 2018, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
Quiet as usual around here so here's a list of all the non-conference games for the upcoming season

Franklin (8-3, 8-0): vs Benedictine (7-3); @ Albion (4-6)
Rose-Hulman (8-2, 7-1): @ Mount Union (15-0); vs Rhodes (4-6)
Mount St Joseph (6-4, 5-3): vs Capital (1-9); @ Morehead St (FCS 4-7)
Manchester (6-4, 5-3): @ Trine (11-1); @ Alma (4-6)
Hanover (4-6, 4-4): @ Centre (9-1); vs Thomas More (6-4)
Bluffton (4-6, 4-4): vs Wooster (6-4); @ Trine (11-1)
Defiance (2-8, 2-6): vs Albion (4-6); vs Hope (8-2)
Anderson (1-9, 1-7): @ North Park (3-7); vs Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA and inaugural season)
Earlham (0-10, 0-8): vs Wilmington (2-8); vs Hiram (2-8)

Last year the conference won a massive 3 non-conference games... I see some winnable games on that list.

And for SaintsFan... something something MSJ playing a Kentucky school that's 2 levels above them (guess it's ok to get crushed if it's to an FCS team :-\)

Simple reason:  $$$  they badly need money and thats a guarantee game.  Its the same reason TMC played at Morehead State in 1998. 

Toughest non-con?  Has to be Hanover... but this won't be a great year for the OOC record for HCAC teams, it appears. 

Also, Hanover should be really well attended by Saints fans.  They actually only play 3 times in Crestview Hills in 2018.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 07, 2018, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
Quiet as usual around here so here's a list of all the non-conference games for the upcoming season

Franklin (8-3, 8-0): vs Benedictine (7-3); @ Albion (4-6)
Rose-Hulman (8-2, 7-1): @ Mount Union (15-0); vs Rhodes (4-6)
Mount St Joseph (6-4, 5-3): vs Capital (1-9); @ Morehead St (FCS 4-7)
Manchester (6-4, 5-3): @ Trine (11-1); @ Alma (4-6)
Hanover (4-6, 4-4): @ Centre (9-1); vs Thomas More (6-4)
Bluffton (4-6, 4-4): vs Wooster (6-4); @ Trine (11-1)
Defiance (2-8, 2-6): vs Albion (4-6); vs Hope (8-2)
Anderson (1-9, 1-7): @ North Park (3-7); vs Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA and inaugural season)
Earlham (0-10, 0-8): vs Wilmington (2-8); vs Hiram (2-8)

Last year the conference won a massive 3 non-conference games... I see some winnable games on that list.

And for SaintsFan... something something MSJ playing a Kentucky school that's 2 levels above them (guess it's ok to get crushed if it's to an FCS team :-\)

Simple reason:  $$$  they badly need money and thats a guarantee game.  Its the same reason TMC played at Morehead State in 1998. 

Toughest non-con?  Has to be Hanover... but this won't be a great year for the OOC record for HCAC teams, it appears. 

Also, Hanover should be really well attended by Saints fans.  They actually only play 3 times in Crestview Hills in 2018.
It's never a great year for the OOC record. Haven't won more than 1/3 in a decade... been 12 years since the HCAC had a winning record.

Regular season non-conference record
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
Earlham joins HCAC
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)

Franklin has an opportunity to go 2-0 (obviously have to see how the offense looks after the talent that graduated)
Rose could beat Rhodes, MSJ should beat Capital, Manchester could get Alma, Anderson might beat Indiana Wesleyan since it will only be their 2nd ever game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
FCGG:
I have no problem with a DIII school playing an FCS, if the want to.  I think it is great that Franklin has done that over the past two decades.

SaintsFAN:
Forgive me if I missed you perhaps relating any information about this (and the TMC news release really did not go into in depth reasons), however, why did your alma mater decide to go to the NAIA?  They were quite successful in DII obviously.  What is the advantage for them?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 04:18:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
FCGG:
I have no problem with a DIII school playing an FCS, if the want to.  I think it is great that Franklin has done that over the past two decades.

SaintsFAN:
Forgive me if I missed you perhaps relating any information about this (and the TMC news release really did not go into in depth reasons), however, why did your alma mater decide to go to the NAIA?  They were quite successful in DII obviously.  What is the advantage for them?  Just curious.

I have no problem with playing an FCS... but I think Franklin has perhaps done it a bit too often. I was mostly poking fun at MSJ in that they quit playing Thomas More because they were getting beat so bad and then they go and schedule another Kentucky school that will probably beat them just as bad.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2018, 12:19:36 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 04:18:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
FCGG:
I have no problem with a DIII school playing an FCS, if the want to.  I think it is great that Franklin has done that over the past two decades.

SaintsFAN:
Forgive me if I missed you perhaps relating any information about this (and the TMC news release really did not go into in depth reasons), however, why did your alma mater decide to go to the NAIA?  They were quite successful in DII obviously.  What is the advantage for them?  Just curious.

I have no problem with playing an FCS... but I think Franklin has perhaps done it a bit too often. I was mostly poking fun at MSJ in that they quit playing Thomas More because they were getting beat so bad and then they go and schedule another Kentucky school that will probably beat them just as bad.

I caught that, FCGG, re: your jesting at MSJ. ;)  At the same time, though, I wish we (Hope) had played an FCS more often. :) I guess we are of slightly different opinion on doing that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 08, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
FCGG:
I have no problem with a DIII school playing an FCS, if the want to.  I think it is great that Franklin has done that over the past two decades.

SaintsFAN:
Forgive me if I missed you perhaps relating any information about this (and the TMC news release really did not go into in depth reasons), however, why did your alma mater decide to go to the NAIA?  They were quite successful in DII obviously.  What is the advantage for them?  Just curious.

I believe, officially, TMC has been invited to join NAIA, but has not done so just yet.  They are using 2018-2019 to exhaust all D3 options before making that commitment.  TMC is a school without a D3 conference to call home and without any realistic options.  Take a look at their 2018 football schedule (with NCAA mileage added for road games):
9/1   at N.C. Wesleyan (574 miles)
9/8   at Hanover (73 miles)
9/15   vs. UW-Platteville
9/22   at Huntingdon (550 miles)
9/29   at St. Lawrence (712 miles)
10/6   at Emory and Henry (311 miles)
10/13 vs. Muhlenberg
10/20 at St. Scholastica (772 miles)   
11/3    vs. Lake Erie
11/10 at St. John's (786 miles)

That's over 7500 miles of travel for the football team this fall.  I imagine this sort of thing manifests itself throughout the rest of the school's teams as well.  It simply isn't sustainable.  NAIA provides Thomas More with a geographically convenient conference to play in, home/away schedule balance, and stability...all of which I believe are beneficial to the student athletes there.  This seems like the best option for Thomas More, but as their administration has noted, they are going to use this year to continue to explore D3 options. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 08, 2018, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 08, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
FCGG:
I have no problem with a DIII school playing an FCS, if the want to.  I think it is great that Franklin has done that over the past two decades.

SaintsFAN:
Forgive me if I missed you perhaps relating any information about this (and the TMC news release really did not go into in depth reasons), however, why did your alma mater decide to go to the NAIA?  They were quite successful in DII obviously.  What is the advantage for them?  Just curious.

I believe, officially, TMC has been invited to join NAIA, but has not done so just yet.  They are using 2018-2019 to exhaust all D3 options before making that commitment.  TMC is a school without a D3 conference to call home and without any realistic options.  Take a look at their 2018 football schedule (with NCAA mileage added for road games):
9/1   at N.C. Wesleyan (574 miles)
9/8   at Hanover (73 miles)
9/15   vs. UW-Platteville
9/22   at Huntingdon (550 miles)
9/29   at St. Lawrence (712 miles)
10/6   at Emory and Henry (311 miles)
10/13 vs. Muhlenberg
10/20 at St. Scholastica (772 miles)   
11/3    vs. Lake Erie
11/10 at St. John's (786 miles)

That's over 7500 miles of travel for the football team this fall.  I imagine this sort of thing manifests itself throughout the rest of the school's teams as well.  It simply isn't sustainable.  NAIA provides Thomas More with a geographically convenient conference to play in, home/away schedule balance, and stability...all of which I believe are beneficial to the student athletes there.  This seems like the best option for Thomas More, but as their administration has noted, they are going to use this year to continue to explore D3 options.

This^^

Saint Johns is a guarantee game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Craft_Beermeister on May 08, 2018, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 08, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
FCGG:
I have no problem with a DIII school playing an FCS, if the want to.  I think it is great that Franklin has done that over the past two decades.

SaintsFAN:
Forgive me if I missed you perhaps relating any information about this (and the TMC news release really did not go into in depth reasons), however, why did your alma mater decide to go to the NAIA?  They were quite successful in DII obviously.  What is the advantage for them?  Just curious.

I believe, officially, TMC has been invited to join NAIA, but has not done so just yet.  They are using 2018-2019 to exhaust all D3 options before making that commitment.  TMC is a school without a D3 conference to call home and without any realistic options.  Take a look at their 2018 football schedule (with NCAA mileage added for road games):
9/1   at N.C. Wesleyan (574 miles)
9/8   at Hanover (73 miles)
9/15   vs. UW-Platteville
9/22   at Huntingdon (550 miles)
9/29   at St. Lawrence (712 miles)
10/6   at Emory and Henry (311 miles)
10/13 vs. Muhlenberg
10/20 at St. Scholastica (772 miles)   
11/3    vs. Lake Erie
11/10 at St. John's (786 miles)

That's over 7500 miles of travel for the football team this fall.  I imagine this sort of thing manifests itself throughout the rest of the school's teams as well.  It simply isn't sustainable.  NAIA provides Thomas More with a geographically convenient conference to play in, home/away schedule balance, and stability...all of which I believe are beneficial to the student athletes there.  This seems like the best option for Thomas More, but as their administration has noted, they are going to use this year to continue to explore D3 options.

WOW that is a lot.  One can't blame them from getting away from that.  If those trips are by bus that sounds like several multiple day trips.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 08, 2018, 12:52:49 PM
Honestly, it's impressive that they managed to get 9 D3 games. Pretty tough to get non-conference games in October and November.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on May 15, 2018, 12:07:45 PM
SaintsFan - will TMC pony up 36 scholarships to compete in NAIA?  NAIA football is a dying breed.  Many schools have taken their scholarships to NCAA D2 or dropped scholarships and moved to NCAA D3.  The talent in NAIA really falls off after the top 5-10 schools.  I would love to see TMC stay in D3 but I understand that it may not be an option.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 15, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
I guess we'll see for sure.... whatever happens.  I really want them to stay in the NCAA.

I don't think they'd go NAIA without providing the 36 scholarships.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2018, 03:01:36 PM
The scholarship limit in the NAIA is 24 for football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2018, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2018, 03:01:36 PM
The scholarship limit in the NAIA is 24 for football.

Pat:
Do you know if most of the schools split those such that all players on the roster receive some money, similar to most of the NCAA Div II schools?  I assume that is probably a decision that each college/university would individually make.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Evergreen14 on May 17, 2018, 08:52:40 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered previously, but is there a specific Division III conference Thomas More would like to compete in? Is that conference(s) hesitant to accept them and if so, why?

Thomas More has a great program and I hope they find a DIII home.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 17, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on May 17, 2018, 08:52:40 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered previously, but is there a specific Division III conference Thomas More would like to compete in? Is that conference(s) hesitant to accept them and if so, why?

Thomas More has a great program and I hope they find a DIII home.

The HCAC won't take them (MSJ-driven).  They tried the MIAA to no avail.. and the OAC doesn't need them. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on May 17, 2018, 01:30:23 PM
I know the first time TMC applied for the HCAC, they were denied due to academic and financial issues.  That was when TMC had a very small endowment and accreditation issues.  Not sure about the subsequent applications.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 18, 2018, 03:15:12 AM
What about the SAA? While they're a bit out of the footprint, they could be a travel partner with Centre. TMC is only 116 miles from the Colonels and currently Centre is rather far from the rest of the conference. It's 229 miles from Centre to Sewanee which is the closest to them plus more than 500 miles from both Hendrix and Millsaps.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 18, 2018, 02:50:49 PM
tricksnaps56 -

If you are out there, Anthony.. congrats to your coach on his retirement.  I remember Wayne Perry well from the Hanover Camps and playing against his teams.  Quality human being.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 17, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on May 17, 2018, 08:52:40 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered previously, but is there a specific Division III conference Thomas More would like to compete in? Is that conference(s) hesitant to accept them and if so, why?

Thomas More has a great program and I hope they find a DIII home.

The HCAC won't take them (MSJ-driven).  They tried the MIAA to no avail.. and the OAC doesn't need them.

We can't just trade Wilmington for TMC?  I mean, while not technically in OH it's basically Cincy so that counts IMO.  I'd love the OAC to bring in TMC.  They'd raise the competitive level across the board and also get the OAC in the Cincy metro in a much more meaningful way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 25, 2018, 07:42:30 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 17, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on May 17, 2018, 08:52:40 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered previously, but is there a specific Division III conference Thomas More would like to compete in? Is that conference(s) hesitant to accept them and if so, why?

Thomas More has a great program and I hope they find a DIII home.

The HCAC won't take them (MSJ-driven).  They tried the MIAA to no avail.. and the OAC doesn't need them.

We can't just trade Wilmington for TMC?  I mean, while not technically in OH it's basically Cincy so that counts IMO.  I'd love the OAC to bring in TMC.  They'd raise the competitive level across the board and also get the OAC in the Cincy metro in a much more meaningful way.

man, I wish this could happen.  It would be a win for all involved.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sir Battlescars on May 25, 2018, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on May 18, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on May 17, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on May 17, 2018, 08:52:40 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered previously, but is there a specific Division III conference Thomas More would like to compete in? Is that conference(s) hesitant to accept them and if so, why?

Thomas More has a great program and I hope they find a DIII home.

The HCAC won't take them (MSJ-driven).  They tried the MIAA to no avail.. and the OAC doesn't need them.

We can't just trade Wilmington for TMC?  I mean, while not technically in OH it's basically Cincy so that counts IMO.  I'd love the OAC to bring in TMC.  They'd raise the competitive level across the board and also get the OAC in the Cincy metro in a much more meaningful way.

I had heard a couple of years ago that Wilmington was actively seeking to move to different conference. Whatever happened with that?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 26, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Defiance's football web page coaches section notes they have appointed a new head coach already.  As the previous new release about last year's HC leaving, it noted they were posting it as a 10 month position rather than a full time position.  I assume that would be considered an "Interim" HC position just for this year since it is so close to this new season in having been placed in this situation. 

Also, I was somewhat shocked to see that the enrollment is way down now in the mid 500 range as compared to several years ago. I realize, they have usually been below 1,000 for years, however, getting to that range, I would think is a concerning situation.  Olivet (MI) was like that for years, yet has rebounded and appears stable just over 1,000 students.  Yet, there are some NCAA schools with small enrollments that have sustained stable football programs, such as Eureka, IL.

Anyone have any info on Defiance's situation regarding all the above, Cave2, Pat? Or anyone else here in HCAC?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 27, 2018, 09:48:45 AM
Everyone probably already knows this but it is official.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/kentucky/2018/07/24/new-conference-affiliation-thomas-more-college/830097002/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 27, 2018, 09:54:13 AM
They also landed in the ACAA for D3 for their last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on July 27, 2018, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 26, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Defiance's football web page coaches section notes they have appointed a new head coach already.  As the previous new release about last year's HC leaving, it noted they were posting it as a 10 month position rather than a full time position.  I assume that would be considered an "Interim" HC position just for this year since it is so close to this new season in having been placed in this situation. 

Also, I was somewhat shocked to see that the enrollment is way down now in the mid 500 range as compared to several years ago. I realize, they have usually been below 1,000 for years, however, getting to that range, I would think is a concerning situation.  Olivet (MI) was like that for years, yet has rebounded and appears stable just over 1,000 students.  Yet, there are some NCAA schools with small enrollments that have sustained stable football programs, such as Eureka, IL.

Anyone have any info on Defiance's situation regarding all the above, Cave2, Pat? Or anyone else here in HCAC?

If they're in the mid 500 range does nearly every kid at DC play a sport?  It has to be a huge %.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 05, 2018, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 26, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Defiance's football web page coaches section notes they have appointed a new head coach already.  As the previous new release about last year's HC leaving, it noted they were posting it as a 10 month position rather than a full time position.  I assume that would be considered an "Interim" HC position just for this year since it is so close to this new season in having been placed in this situation. 

Also, I was somewhat shocked to see that the enrollment is way down now in the mid 500 range as compared to several years ago. I realize, they have usually been below 1,000 for years, however, getting to that range, I would think is a concerning situation.  Olivet (MI) was like that for years, yet has rebounded and appears stable just over 1,000 students.  Yet, there are some NCAA schools with small enrollments that have sustained stable football programs, such as Eureka, IL.

Anyone have any info on Defiance's situation regarding all the above, Cave2, Pat? Or anyone else here in HCAC?

PM sent Dr. H. and glad to see you back for another fun-filled season! Sometimes my opinions are best reserved for private amusement.
::)

Re. % playing sports, Dr. Acula, two years ago about 35-40% of the DC male population were on August football roster (n=128).  Noticed this year's roster only lists sixty-six but unsure if incoming frosh are listed yet or if Defiance continues to suffer "retention deficit disorder?"  Time will tell (or "dwell") for Coach Matsakis (Good Luck, Sir!) and his charges.   8-) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 08, 2018, 11:47:15 AM
Looks like Franklin grad Deontez Alexander (WR) was placed on Injured Reserve by the Detroit Lions.   ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Folks, just a reminder that Kickoff '18 goes live tomorrow! Register now if you haven't already!
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJguy on August 09, 2018, 10:14:42 PM
FYI MSJ is not the reason Thomas More is not in the HCAC. . .
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: MSJguy on August 09, 2018, 10:14:42 PM
FYI MSJ is not the reason Thomas More is not in the HCAC. . .

I doubt this is a surprise to anyone over the past decade! Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 10, 2018, 09:38:05 AM
The Grizzlies are picked as league favorite by the coaches, but Kickoff 2018 picks MSJ to win the conference title.  I am a GRIZ fan but I believe that Franklin will struggle this season, especially on defense.  I can see 3-4 losses this year.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 10, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
League coaches always pick the defending champ. I always take those with a grain of salt and watch for more subtle signs like the point totals or whether there's a shift in No. 1 votes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 05, 2018, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 26, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Defiance's football web page coaches section notes they have appointed a new head coach already.  As the previous new release about last year's HC leaving, it noted they were posting it as a 10 month position rather than a full time position.  I assume that would be considered an "Interim" HC position just for this year since it is so close to this new season in having been placed in this situation. 

Also, I was somewhat shocked to see that the enrollment is way down now in the mid 500 range as compared to several years ago. I realize, they have usually been below 1,000 for years, however, getting to that range, I would think is a concerning situation.  Olivet (MI) was like that for years, yet has rebounded and appears stable just over 1,000 students.  Yet, there are some NCAA schools with small enrollments that have sustained stable football programs, such as Eureka, IL.

Anyone have any info on Defiance's situation regarding all the above, Cave2, Pat? Or anyone else here in HCAC?

PM sent Dr. H. and glad to see you back for another fun-filled season! Sometimes my opinions are best reserved for private amusement.
::)

Re. % playing sports, Dr. Acula, two years ago about 35-40% of the DC male population were on August football roster (n=128).  Noticed this year's roster only lists sixty-six but unsure if incoming frosh are listed yet or if Defiance continues to suffer "retention deficit disorder?"  Time will tell (or "dwell") for Coach Matsakis (Good Luck, Sir!) and his charges.   8-)

Thanks, cave2, my friend.  Indeed, I know what you mean as often our private opinions (i.e for that matter, it applied to all of us here on these boards) are best reserved for the PMs.

A PM has been sent in reply back to you, which I'm sure you probably have seen already.

Good luck to everyone's teams this season.  With everyone's teams reporting in and starting this week, it is exciting that another season is upon us.  I helped out doing the football physicals for our incoming new players at Hope the other day-we did the returning players earlier this spring.   See you all around the boards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 12, 2018, 08:04:50 PM
Okay, I must have (obviously did) missed it here.  What is the story with the Head Coaching change at Bluffton?  There is nothing listed on their football section on the athletics website in news, nor did I see anything on the Coaching Carousel.  The bio on the new HC Krepps only relates that he was promoted from within.  Just curious.  Anyone have inside info?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 13, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
All I know is that Denny Dorrel has returned to his high school alma mater as Athletic Director.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 13, 2018, 12:47:37 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 10, 2018, 09:38:05 AM
The Grizzlies are picked as league favorite by the coaches, but Kickoff 2018 picks MSJ to win the conference title.  I am a GRIZ fan but I believe that Franklin will struggle this season, especially on defense.  I can see 3-4 losses this year.  Thoughts?

As always, the games are won in the trenches and with depth. While MSJ certainly looks good on paper, do they have the depth at each position? Franklin tends to always field great replacements and are generally two deep.  I wouldn't want to bet against them in the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 13, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
All I know is that Denny Dorrel has returned to his high school alma mater as Athletic Director.

Thanks, GF.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJguy on August 14, 2018, 10:53:26 AM
MSJ has o-line depth, due to a couple of transfers and returning all but one starter. The d-line will be a little thin
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 25, 2018, 04:34:05 AM
The HCAC Pickem (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4791.msg1876772#msg1876772) is up and running again this season. Week 1 games have been posted for anyone interested in playing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2018, 11:14:37 AM
Without going back through the recent pages here, I probably missed this.  However, I see where MSJ is opening at Morehead State (FCS).  As I have always said, I like when DIII schools schedule a DII or DI FCS team for one of their non-conference games.  Yet, will MSJ really have a chance against Morehead this year?  What is your take MSJguy and others?

Also, PM sent to my friend cave2 check your PM :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 27, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
Anyone go to the Franklin-DePauw scrimmage?  If so, how did the GRIZ look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 27, 2018, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 27, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
Anyone go to the Franklin-DePauw scrimmage?  If so, how did the GRIZ look?

According to Old Gold Tiger - "Tigers 27-6 over Franklin in today's scrimmage."

As previously stated, I am predicting a long season for the GRIZ!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 27, 2018, 01:38:52 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 27, 2018, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 27, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
Anyone go to the Franklin-DePauw scrimmage?  If so, how did the GRIZ look?

According to Old Gold Tiger - "Tigers 27-6 over Franklin in today's scrimmage."

As previously stated, I am predicting a long season for the GRIZ!

Meh.  Presented without any context of who played, for how long they played, what the ground rules were, etc.  I would read literally nothing into that score without any further commentary on what happened and when during the scrimmage. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on August 29, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 27, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
Anyone go to the Franklin-DePauw scrimmage?  If so, how did the GRIZ look?

i did go since it was in town. When it was 1's against 1's it would have been a tight game. Franklin hit some passes, and had a TD dropped, but struggled a bit getting the ground game goin til later in the scrimmage. DePauw's 2's were definitely better. Really hard to tell, played pretty vanilla.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
Wasn't a good start for the HCAC, but we've got a couple winnable games this evening.
Franklin can still move the ball. Up 7-0 less than 3 minutes into the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 06:45:25 PM
Jacob Earl shed 2 or 3 tacklers for a fantastic 80 yard touchdown run. Hope this is a sign that Franklin can add a good rushing attack to the offense. Unfortunately Benedictine answers on the kickoff and it's 14-7 end of the 1st.

It's a good thing this was a 6pm kick rather than the usual 1:30. Don't know if it hit down on campus but for me there was a big rainstorm that would have hit around halftime. It's nice and sunny now though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 07:38:34 PM
Halftime at Faught and Grizzlies lead 35-14. Franklin continuing to move the ball well leaning on those with the experience with 404 yards of offense. Earl over 100 yards rushing (thanks to that 80 yard beast of a run) and Bonomini over 100 receiving. Smith is 20 of 24 passing for 249 yards. Meanwhile Benedictine has more than 100 yards of penalties. The Eagles really should be closer but they keep giving up big yards with flags.

Elsewhere MSJ seems like they're having a tiny bit of trouble with Capital. They're up 25-14 in the 2nd but were down 14-12 after the 1st. They've failed two 2pt conversions and an extra point so far.

Rose is learning what Franklin has experienced in the past. Purple powers are on a whole different level. 0-14 still in the 1st and they have 12 yards on 13 plays.

Hanover trying to spring a surprise across the river as they lead Centre 6-0 after the 1st.

Another potential shocker... Anderson with a 7-6 lead at North Park early in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2018, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 07:38:34 PM


Another potential shocker... Anderson with a 7-6 lead at North Park early in the 2nd.

Anderson ranked 228, North Park ranked 204 ... probably not a shocker no matter how this ends up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2018, 08:59:29 PM
It's North Park 13, Anderson 7 here at the half at NPU. We're in a lightning delay, so this is going to be one of the longer halftimes we've ever sat through here at NPU.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2018, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 07:38:34 PM


Another potential shocker... Anderson with a 7-6 lead at North Park early in the 2nd.

Anderson ranked 228, North Park ranked 204 ... probably not a shocker no matter how this ends up.
Well Anderson only has 2 wins in the last 7 years against teams not named Earlham and haven't won a non-conference game since 2008 so it's at the very least unexpected.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2018, 09:03:19 PM
This Anderson team is significantly better than the Ravens teams that I saw in '16 and '17. The Ravens aren't beat-Franklin better, but they do look like a team that will beat teams that don't have EARLHAM printed on their jerseys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2018, 09:14:52 PM
Franklin gets the win 55-38. Game wasn't nearly as close as the score suggests, Grizzlies led 55-17 in the 3rd and Benedictine with a few scores against the backups. Offense was still the same Grizzlies offense, 1st string defense was pretty good giving up just 1 touchdown. Special teams needs work. Gave up a 90 yard kickoff return, confusion on the lone punt of the night, and then had the ball bounce off a defender while receiving a punt late.

MSJ looks like they got their act together after a tight 1st quarter. That will be the conference's 2nd win of the day.

Rose still struggling against The Machine. 0-44 and still under 100 yards of offense. They were only down 24 at halftime though and I'm sure there will be a number of teams that would be happy with that this year.

Hanover up 18-14 in the 4th against Centre. The Colonels are struggling offensively it seems.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 01, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
What's up everyone. Hope things are well with all of you. Best of luck to everyone these first couple weeks representing the conference. MSJ seems to have things under control at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2018, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2018, 09:03:19 PM
This Anderson team is significantly better than the Ravens teams that I saw in '16 and '17. The Ravens aren't beat-Franklin better, but they do look like a team that will beat teams that don't have EARLHAM printed on their jerseys.

They're coming for you, Defiance!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2018, 09:24:11 PM
LOL! I was thinking Manchester, but ... dream big, I guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 02, 2018, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 01, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
What's up everyone. Hope things are well with all of you. Best of luck to everyone these first couple weeks representing the conference. MSJ seems to have things under control at this point.

Good to see MSJ on the rise. The GRIZ need a couple conference teams that can compete to make things interesting.  On paper and according to D3 Football kick-off, Franklin is the second best team in the HCAC this year.  Coach Leonard thanks Pat Coleman and company for that.  As a side note, Benedictine scored 21 of their 28 points on a kick-off return and two 4th efforts against the third string.  The GRIZ rang up 55 in the first 3 quarters.  Not bad.

Several games to play before thinking about MSJ.  Albion blasted Defiance yesterday and FC heads north to their place next saturday eve.  No overlooking them for sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2018, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on September 02, 2018, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on September 01, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
What's up everyone. Hope things are well with all of you. Best of luck to everyone these first couple weeks representing the conference. MSJ seems to have things under control at this point.

Good to see MSJ on the rise. The GRIZ need a couple conference teams that can compete to make things interesting.  On paper and according to D3 Football kick-off, Franklin is the second best team in the HCAC this year.  Coach Leonard thanks Pat Coleman and company for that.  As a side note, Benedictine scored 21 of their 28 points on a kick-off return and two 4th efforts against the third string.  The GRIZ rang up 55 in the first 3 quarters.  Not bad.

Several games to play before thinking about MSJ.  Albion blasted Defiance yesterday and FC heads north to their place next saturday eve.  No overlooking them for sure.

The Franklin-Benedictine game looks just about like what we'd expect No. 68 to do to No. 137. And yeah, we have MSJ at 66 and Franklin at 68. If that's the motivation Franklin needs -- well, that's kinda sad. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJguy on September 02, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
The MSJ offense will be able to play with anyone this season, matchup nightmares all over the field, not to mention the best QB in D3 that no one knows about! Chaiten Tomlin is the real deal! The question for the Lions all season will be on the other side of the ball, Capital was able to move it relatively well, especially in the first quarter. The Lions face a real test in Morehead St. this weekend, hopefully they can come out healthy and make the game competitive heading into Rose-Hulman week
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2018, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: MSJguy on September 02, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
The MSJ offense will be able to play with anyone this season, matchup nightmares all over the field, not to mention the best QB in D3 that no one knows about!

That just means that they need to do a better job with promotions.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 05:23:56 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 07, 2018, 02:40:14 PM
It's never a great year for the OOC record. Haven't won more than 1/3 in a decade... been 12 years since the HCAC had a winning record.

Regular season non-conference record
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
Earlham joins HCAC
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)

Franklin has an opportunity to go 2-0 (obviously have to see how the offense looks after the talent that graduated)
Rose could beat Rhodes, MSJ should beat Capital, Manchester could get Alma, Anderson might beat Indiana Wesleyan since it will only be their 2nd ever game.
2-7 in week 1 and probably not much better week 2. But still won't be as bad as 2013 and Franklin could be the 4th team in a decade to run their non-conference slate.
Can we get a UMAC-HCAC challenge going? Someone would have to win games then. :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 08, 2018, 08:19:08 AM
Keith McMillan deserves plenty of "plus karma" for his description "dictionary words matchup" of the Hope - Defiance game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 06:47:37 PM
End of the 1st quarter and can finally take a breather. Albion leads Franklin 21-14 with 444 yards combined. Franklin with a failed 4th down is the only stop of the quarter.

Bluffton with a respectable showing against #19 Trine losing 34-13. Keep an eye on them to fight for a top 3 finish in conference.

Hanover same as Bluffton, losing 27-18 to Thomas More.

Defiance blanked by Hope 41-0. Going to be a long year for the Jackets

Earlham's streak extends to 45 losses with a 47-13 loss to Hiram.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 07:10:10 PM
Track meet still going, but Franklin has dropped the ball, literally. Two fumbles have cost the Grizzlies as Albion is playing almost perfect and lead 42-21. Still a few minutes in the 2nd quarter so plenty of time for 2 or 3 more scores :P

Looks like MSJ is down 28-0 to Morehead St in the 2nd quarter. Rough first half for the two winners last week.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 07:21:09 PM
Finally halftime. Franklin down 28-42.
Teams have combined for 830 yards, 530 yards on 40 of 50 passing, 300 yards rushing on 39 attempts, 43 first downs, just 4 penalties, and 0 punts. ???
This feels like a football version of a Grinnell-Greenville basketball game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Apparently non-offensive players arrived at halftime. Albion goes 3 and out and punts. First time a punter has been spotted in the game and the first time the Grizzlies get a stop.

MSJ is down 42-6 at halftime. It's looking pretty much like you'd expect a FCS vs D3 matchup to look.

Manchester is still in it down 14-24 to Alma at halftime.

Anderson getting crushed 41-0 at halftime.

Rose is the lone team leading, up 7-2 in the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 08:13:05 PM
Slowed down in the 3rd quarter... only 21 points scored and it's Albion 56-35. Up to 1131 yards combined. Anyone know what the record for combined yardage in a game is?

Manchester is within 3 points late 3rd, Rose down 9-7 in the 2nd.
MSJ and Anderson still losing big.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 08:35:35 PM
Grizzlies have thrown in the towel. Still a few minutes left but Albion still leads 56-35. Albion played amazing today.

Manchester back and forth with Alma. Should be a good finish there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Alma with a TD with 23 seconds left to take the lead against Manchester. Unless the Spartans can go the length of the field in a hurry it's looking like the HCAC will go 0fer today and 2-16 overall non-conference. :(

MSJ made a bit of a comeback in the 3rd but have given up a score and are down 19-48 now

Anderson loses 61-6.

Rose starting to fall off, down 30-7 to Rhodes early 3rd.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 29, 2018, 06:06:43 PM
Back and forth game on homecoming for the Grizzlies. Franklin and Rose for the 4th year in a row end up in a one score game. RHIT scores with under 2 minutes left to take the lead, Franklin drives the other way completing two 4th downs including the winning TD on 4th and 10 from the Engineer 31 with 21 seconds left. Rose had two extra points blocked and failed a 2pt conversion while Franklin missed an extra point but converted a 2pt conversion.

MSJ beats Bluffton 21-7. Turnovers killed the Beavers as the Lions forced 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions. Mount did have 14 penalties for 134 yards though.

Hanover routs Anderson 55-8. All one sided for the Panthers today. Keep an eye on them, they could knock off MSJ and/or Franklin. Likely will be 5-2 (5-0) heading into their final three games: home vs Lions, home vs RHIT, and at Franklin for the Victory Bell.

Manchester hands Earlham loss #48 in a 69-0 blowout. Manchester attempted just 5 passes and had the ball less than 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
From Adam Turer (Can't say I disagree):

24. Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

            Kickoff ranking: 24
            Non-conference record: 2-16
            Signature win: Franklin 55, Benedictine 38

The bottom of this conference is deeeeeep. Three of the lowest ranked teams in Kickoff play in the HCAC. No matter how good Franklin or Mount St. Joe are, or how many yards and points their quarterbacks produce, the national perspective of the conference is skewed due to the lack of competition within the league. Franklin's win over Benedictine was better than MSJ's win over Capital. Those were the HCAC's only two non-conference wins to choose from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 06, 2018, 01:51:02 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
From Adam Turer (Can't say I disagree):

24. Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference

            Kickoff ranking: 24
            Non-conference record: 2-16
            Signature win: Franklin 55, Benedictine 38

The bottom of this conference is deeeeeep. Three of the lowest ranked teams in Kickoff play in the HCAC. No matter how good Franklin or Mount St. Joe are, or how many yards and points their quarterbacks produce, the national perspective of the conference is skewed due to the lack of competition within the league. Franklin's win over Benedictine was better than MSJ's win over Capital. Those were the HCAC's only two non-conference wins to choose from.

Yeah, the bottom can go toe to toe with the worst from any conference. Didn't even mention Earlham and their 48 games and counting losing streak. Yet still not the lowest ranked conference in the North because the NACC is 26th.
I'd love to see Earlham play one of the UMAC schools. Westminster, Iowa Wesleyan, MacMurray, and Greenville are all within 500 miles of the Quakers. Maybe get some more HCAC-NACC matchups.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 12, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.
Yep. Huge game. So big it's in prime time. Anderson-Earlham with the Quakers trying to avoid tying the all time D3 record losing streak.

Also if Franklin wins, Mike Leonard will pass Stewart "Red" Faught for most wins as Grizzlies head coach. Faught is the namesake of the Franklin stadium and is in the Indiana Football Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 12, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.
Yep. Huge game. So big it's in prime time. Anderson-Earlham with the Quakers trying to avoid tying the all time D3 record losing streak.

Also if Franklin wins, Mike Leonard will pass Stewart "Red" Faught for most wins as Grizzlies head coach. Faught is the namesake of the Franklin stadium and is in the Indiana Football Hall of Fame.

Franklin on the road - I haven't paid much attention to Franklin this year.  Apparently, MSJ throws alot. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 12, 2018, 01:26:59 PM
Franklin from an offensive standpoint is only slightly worse than last year but still potent. A better running game than usual has helped reduce the pain from graduations.
Defensively though they've definitely taken a step back. Defense has never been the Grizzlies strong suit but they've been more than adequate in recent seasons. This year though has been painful to watch at times.
I don't know what the over/under for the game would be but I'd say first to 50 points wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Strength of Schedule has MSJ at #232 (and doesn't take into account their money game against Morehead State)

Franklin is #200

What this means?  I don't know, besides the fact the teams both of these schools have played have not been very good competition. 

The edge may go to MSJ who appears to have played their QB into the fourth quarter 6 times this year.  I think MSJ by 57 because I'm paying attention to what you said about Franklin defense :)

(if Franklin doesn't bring any defense, they might as well not even go to Cincinnati)

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 12, 2018, 03:35:12 PM
This is the worst defense that the GRIZ has had in at least a decade and that is saying a lot!  I predict MSJ by 14 (63-49).  I think the GRIZ will also have a very hard time keeping the Victory Bell this season, Hanover looks much improved and they have a decent defense!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 13, 2018, 02:11:30 PM
Have to say... not impressed with the video crew that MSJ has outsourced this to. Game is on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOyCRLAMZiM) but there was nothing for the first few minutes then finally the stream was going but now it's back to nothing again. At least there's an audio link so we get something.
7-7 early 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 13, 2018, 02:45:42 PM
Surprisingly quick first half. Franklin leads 14-10 at halftime. MSJ have thrown for just 62 yards and have 97 total yards. Franklin doing better with 134 passing and 80 rushing. Both teams with one interception.

Manchester leads Bluffton by a similar 14-10 halftime score.
Hanover continuing to beat up on the bottom half of the conference leading Defiance 27-7 in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 13, 2018, 02:57:06 PM
TMU beat on a 20 yard FG with no time left.  31-34

VERY suspect pass interference was called on Thomas More with 1:14 left to help Muhlenberg get inside the 20.  The QB was throwing it away and there wasn't a chance of anyone catching it. 

They've beaten Platteville and lost by three to Muhlenberg.  I think they are a good team. 

Hanover played TMU well.  Probably will be for the Bell and the HCAC Title.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 13, 2018, 03:17:22 PM
Mount's first penalty of the day is a big one. Grizzlies on 2nd and 29 deep in their own territory, incomplete pass but a flag for targeting. Player ejected and automatic first down. Grizzlies drive down for a TD.
Next Lions drive, fumble near midfield, Grizzlies score the next play. Franklin leads 28-17 with 6 minutes in the 3rd.

No change in the other two games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 13, 2018, 03:31:51 PM
Franklin's turn for a stupid penalty. MSJ punting and first a running into the kicker which wouldn't have been enough for a first down. But then someone decided to shove a Lion down and drew the 15 yard penalty. Lions eventually get a 42 yard FG out of it to cut the lead to 8.

Franklin responds with a big kick return, followed by two big rushes and they're down inside the MSJ 5 as the 3rd quarter ends.

Also, whoever is operating the camera needs some practice. Not very good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 13, 2018, 04:11:53 PM
Grizzlies fend off another challenger for their crown. 42-34 final. MSJ @ Hanover in 2 weeks and Franklin @ Hanover to finish the season.

Manchester wins a tight game with Bluffton 21-17.

Hanover still comfortable up 34-7 in the 4th.

Anderson-Earlham kickoff in 3 hours.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 15, 2018, 09:50:34 AM
Anyone know what is wrong with Hanover's starting QB (Div I transfer from Miami)?  He has been out the past couple of games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.
Depends on the final record and how other tournament teams are. I feel like there's usually a 7-3 team that manages to win their conference who ends up at Mount. If Franklin finishes 9-1 I'd expect someone like Wittenberg, a 9-1 CCIW champ, or John Carroll. An 8-2 MSJ or Hanover depends on who else is in, probably John Carroll is best case scenario, but they could do something wacky and end up heading down to Berry as they're both in range.

But I've learned over the years that no matter what scenarios I come up with, the committee always chooses some option that I'd never expected.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 15, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
Franklin is definitely located in a geographically flexible location, so there are a lot of options.  As for where Franklin might get seeded- I think there's a difference between a 9-1 Franklin team that is carrying a loss to Mount Union or Whitewater or Butler and a 9-1 Franklin team that got smushed by an Albion team that is trending toward the middle of the MIAA.  I'd say Franklin is leaning more toward a 7 or 8 seed, but we won't know for sure until we see some regional rankings. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 16, 2018, 07:55:49 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 15, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
Franklin is definitely located in a geographically flexible location, so there are a lot of options.  As for where Franklin might get seeded- I think there's a difference between a 9-1 Franklin team that is carrying a loss to Mount Union or Whitewater or Butler and a 9-1 Franklin team that got smushed by an Albion team that is trending toward the middle of the MIAA.  I'd say Franklin is leaning more toward a 7 or 8 seed, but we won't know for sure until we see some regional rankings.

I agree completely.

Lets look at the contenders OOC results:

Franklin:
             W - Benedictine (2-1, NACC)
              L  - Albion (1-2, MIAA)
Hanover:
              L - Centre (3-1, SAA)
              L - Thomas More (5-2, IND)
Mount St. Joe:
              W - Capital (0-5, OAC)
                     Morehead State*

You could say a 7 or 8 seed would be the best-case scenario for these teams, if you wanted to be really technical about it. 

Hanover's SOS will be better than the other two teams - by how much, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 20, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
Looks like Earlham will take sole possession of the longest losing streak in D3. Franklin leads 43-3 at halftime racking up 517 yards of offense with the starters already pulled.

Mount St Joseph is only up 6-0 at Defiance after the first half. What on earth is going on? Defiance is a team we wonder if Earlham has a shot at beating and MSJ is a team that had conference title hopes. No way it should be this close.

Rose is up 17-6. Not much to say about this one. Couple of 2-4 teams who aren't nearly as close as the records indicate.

Hanover-Manchester level at 14 at halftime. Could the Panthers be looking ahead to MSJ a bit too early?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2018, 02:41:35 PM
Interesting scores right now.
Hanover down 14-0 to Rose after the 1st quarter. If Hanover loses then Franklin locks up a playoff spot with a win.
Grizzlies however are down 17-14 at halftime against Bluffton. Both offenses are cruising but a Franklin fumble cost them the lead before halftime.
MSJ is taking care of business in their season finale up 34-6 on Anderson. If current results hold then they could still snag the title while not playing next week.
Defiance leads Earlham 7-3 at halftime in the battle of the winless.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
Bluffton-Franklin has turned into a defensive struggle in the 2nd half. Jacob Earl has been on the sideline most of the game, just 6 rushing attempts. Grizzlies do lead 21-17 in the later stages of the 3rd.
Hanover still trails at halftime down 14-9. Franklin would be in the playoffs if these results hold.
Earlham is starting to lose their shot at ending their streak. Defiance has pulled out to a 21-3 lead.
MSJ still in control up 37-6
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
Franklin's defense really stepped up in the 2nd half. Bluffton's only points came after a muffed punt gave the Beavers 1st and goal. Franklin was well under their D3 leading average of 601.3 yards racking up just 360 but the defense held Bluffton to only 230 yards.

The streak continues as Defiance beats Earlham 28-10. That's 52 and counting for the Quakers and unless they pull off a massive upset next week will be the 2nd class to graduate without a win in their collegiate career.

MSJ finishes their season with a 44-6 win over Anderson.

Hanover looks like they'll pull out the win, up 2 scores late.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2018, 07:23:36 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
Franklin's defense really stepped up in the 2nd half. Bluffton's only points came after a muffed punt gave the Beavers 1st and goal. Franklin was well under their D3 leading average of 601.3 yards racking up just 360 but the defense held Bluffton to only 230 yards.

The streak continues as Defiance beats Earlham 28-10. That's 52 and counting for the Quakers and unless they pull off a massive upset next week will be the 2nd class to graduate without a win in their collegiate career.

MSJ finishes their season with a 44-6 win over Anderson.

Hanover looks like they'll pull out the win, up 2 scores late.

Is Jacob Earl hurt or just didn't play his usual snaps?  FC needs to get focused.  Hanover has their beast team in several years and will be coming to town on a mission. The GRIZ will need to play well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 04, 2018, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 04, 2018, 07:23:36 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
Franklin's defense really stepped up in the 2nd half. Bluffton's only points came after a muffed punt gave the Beavers 1st and goal. Franklin was well under their D3 leading average of 601.3 yards racking up just 360 but the defense held Bluffton to only 230 yards.

The streak continues as Defiance beats Earlham 28-10. That's 52 and counting for the Quakers and unless they pull off a massive upset next week will be the 2nd class to graduate without a win in their collegiate career.

MSJ finishes their season with a 44-6 win over Anderson.

Hanover looks like they'll pull out the win, up 2 scores late.

Is Jacob Earl hurt or just didn't play his usual snaps?  FC needs to get focused.  Hanover has their beast team in several years and will be coming to town on a mission. The GRIZ will need to play well.
I think it had to be an injury but I don't know for certain. He was in early but came out some point in the 1st half and never returned. If he was able I'm sure he would have been out there considering how close it was. Grunden struggled a bit early but eventually found his rhythm.

Hanover has definitely been a 2nd half team recently. Their last 3 games (at Manchester, vs MSJ, and vs Rose) the first half has been 14-14, 0-12, 9-14 while the second half scores have been 34-0, 15-7, 20-0. Need to get out front early because the Panthers will come 'roaring' back late.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2018, 07:19:56 AM
Franklin picked up a vote in the Top 25 poll (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2018/week10) this week. I'm a bit surprised at that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 05, 2018, 09:19:35 AM
 
Is Jacob Earl hurt or just didn't play his usual snaps?  FC needs to get focused.  Hanover has their beast team in several years and will be coming to town on a mission. The GRIZ will need to play well.
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I saw him leave the field dragging an arm.  Looked like a shoulder injury to me.  They used him to double-team pass block Zickafoose, the stud DE from Bluffton.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2018, 12:44:02 PM
http://d3football.com/columns/features/2018/thomas-more-road-show-coming-to-close

Final Regular Season game in D3 for the Saints... which will absolutely impact recruiting in the Cincinnati area, as another team will be handing out scholarships.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.

9-1 Franklin wont get the "death seed"  I would predict Denison or Eureka before FC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 06, 2018, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.

9-1 Franklin wont get the "death seed"  I would predict Denison or Eureka before FC.
The committee has been pretty favorable to Franklin in the past putting them in a higher spot than I'd have predicted. But I believe they're lower in the regional rankings than usual this year and I would be surprised if they stay #9 as I think at a minimum Wheaton will jump up ahead.

Honestly I think a "7 seed" might be around where they'll be. I'm envisioning Martin Luther to St John's, Eureka to Whitewater but then hard to figure out who ends up at Mount (Eureka is just out of Mount's range at 512 miles). If Hampden-Sydney can knock off Randolph-Macon to take the ODAC then they'd go for sure (they're within 500 miles). There isn't really a clear 8 seed to send this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2018, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.

9-1 Franklin wont get the "death seed"  I would predict Denison or Eureka before FC.

We should find out on Sunday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 07, 2018, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2018, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.

9-1 Franklin wont get the "death seed"  I would predict Denison or Eureka before FC.

We should find out on Sunday.

Franklin has to beat a solid hungry Hanover outfit this Saturday at Franklin first.  Hanover has finally put together a group that has a solid chance of beating the GRIZ.  9-1 was a theoretical comment.  8-2 could happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 07, 2018, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 06, 2018, 04:26:13 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 06, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 15, 2018, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 14, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 12, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
no posts in 6 days here??  Does the HCAC have a big game this week??

Hansen gives MSJ a 70% chance to win.  47-38.

FC played some defense (a pick six and some penalties attributed to 14 of MSJ's32 points).  I may be wrong but I don't believe I saw Franklin attempt a pass in the 4th quarter. Great team effort all around to beat an improved MSJ outfit during what some would say is a rebuilding year (FC not as strong as in past seasons?)  Regardless the GRIZ roll-on towards another chance at a HCAC crown.

Looks like Hanover/Franklin for more than a rivalry trophy.
Should be, but have to see how the MSJ- Hanover game goes in a couple weeks to determine whether it's a 2 way fight or 3. If the Lions win that then there could could be a 3 way tie scenario and I have no idea how the tiebreaker works.

I have nothing snarky to say here for once, but I don't feel like MSJ would like going to Mount Union or Whitewater in the 1st Round.  That's essentially is what will happen to the HCAC Champ this year.

9-1 Franklin wont get the "death seed"  I would predict Denison or Eureka before FC.
The committee has been pretty favorable to Franklin in the past putting them in a higher spot than I'd have predicted. But I believe they're lower in the regional rankings than usual this year and I would be surprised if they stay #9 as I think at a minimum Wheaton will jump up ahead.

Honestly I think a "7 seed" might be around where they'll be. I'm envisioning Martin Luther to St John's, Eureka to Whitewater but then hard to figure out who ends up at Mount (Eureka is just out of Mount's range at 512 miles). If Hampden-Sydney can knock off Randolph-Macon to take the ODAC then they'd go for sure (they're within 500 miles). There isn't really a clear 8 seed to send this year.

They are lower but Wabash, Wittenberg, and Baldwin Wallace may not be in the playoffs thus Franklin could be in the 5-7 slot.  If Hanover wins Saturday I can easily see them being an 8 seed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 02:15:18 PM
Regional rankings:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2018, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 02:15:18 PM
Regional rankings:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
I am shocked that Franklin is ahead of IWU and Wheaton.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2018, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 02:15:18 PM
Regional rankings:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
I am shocked that Franklin is ahead of IWU and Wheaton.

Hence the "strict constructionist" item in the analysis.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 07, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 07, 2018, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2018, 02:15:18 PM
Regional rankings:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
I am shocked that Franklin is ahead of IWU and Wheaton.

Hence the "strict constructionist" item in the analysis.

That guy who writes those comments is a genius. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 08, 2018, 10:17:12 AM
If Franklin wins, they are in the playoffs. 

What happens if Hanover takes home the Victory Bell?  Who would receive the automatic bid?  Hanover would be tied with Franklin and MSJ.  MSJ beat Hanover but lost to Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 08, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 08, 2018, 10:17:12 AM
If Franklin wins, they are in the playoffs. 

What happens if Hanover takes home the Victory Bell?  Who would receive the automatic bid?  Hanover would be tied with Franklin and MSJ.  MSJ beat Hanover but lost to Franklin.

I believe Hanover wins on the strength of their OOC schedule, but that should be double checked. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2018, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 08, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 08, 2018, 10:17:12 AM
If Franklin wins, they are in the playoffs. 

What happens if Hanover takes home the Victory Bell?  Who would receive the automatic bid?  Hanover would be tied with Franklin and MSJ.  MSJ beat Hanover but lost to Franklin.

I believe Hanover wins on the strength of their OOC schedule, but that should be double checked.

I'm trying to find the official list of tiebreakers but I'm coming up empty.

Franklin's preview (http://www.franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20181107ontfw5) only says
QuoteThe stakes have never been higher for the two teams, with the winner set to take the 2018 HCAC regular season championship and earn the league's automatic berth into the 2018 Division III playoffs.
While Hanover's (http://hanover.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20181107q8b724) says a bit more
QuoteThe final week of the regular season has three teams with a chance of earning at least a share of the HCAC title. Franklin (8-1, 7-0 HCAC) can win the title outright with a victory over Hanover. A Panthers' (6-3, 6-1 HCAC) win would make it a three-way tie for first in the league standings with FC and Mount St. Joseph. Due to the fifth step in the conference tiebreaker rules, Hanover would earn the league's automatic qualification for the NCAA Division III Playoffs due to regional strength of schedule.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 08, 2018, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 08, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 08, 2018, 10:17:12 AM
If Franklin wins, they are in the playoffs. 

What happens if Hanover takes home the Victory Bell?  Who would receive the automatic bid?  Hanover would be tied with Franklin and MSJ.  MSJ beat Hanover but lost to Franklin.

I believe Hanover wins on the strength of their OOC schedule, but that should be double checked.

Call it the Bridge Bowl rule... shouldn't have quit playing it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 09, 2018, 12:30:57 PM
Since the tie-breaker criteria is regional strength of schedule, MSJ playing in the Bridge Bowl would have had no effect.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 09, 2018, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 09, 2018, 12:30:57 PM
Since the tie-breaker criteria is regional strength of schedule, MSJ playing in the Bridge Bowl would have had no effect.

It's incredibly hard to not play a regional game anymore.  Franklin and MSJ are doomed on this tiebreak by having played against Benedictine and Capital, respectively.  Both are 2-7 and Hanover has Centre's 8-1 record supporting them here.  Thomas More on MSJ's schedule would have helped, but not nearly enough to overcome the hole that Capital put them in. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 01:41:31 PM
Franklin strikes first, completing a 4th and 5 from the Hanover 21 and scoring soon after. Hanover is driving down quite quickly trying to answer, but a pass on 2nd and goal goes off the receiver's hands and is intercepted.
Rose also has an early 7-0 lead against Earlham.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 02:07:39 PM
Hanover forces a 3 and out after the turnover and scored. Near the end of the quarter Franklin with an ill advised pass on 3rd down is intercepted deep in Hanover territory. Grizzlies then match Hanover and force a 3 and out after the turnover. 7-7 after the 1st quarter.

Rose leads Earlham 21-0 after the 1st. Looks like the streak will continue into next season
Bluffton up on Defiance 13-0 after a quarter.
Manchester leads Anderson 14-0 after the first.

MSJ meanwhile have already packed up because their season is over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
Not a much scoring in Franklin. Grizzlies have been the better team offensively but 3 turnovers have kept them from building a lead. Still 7-7 late 2nd quarter.

Rose is pummeling Earlham 49-0 still first half.

Bluffton up 20-7 on Defiance

Manchester up 21-0 on Anderson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 02:53:58 PM
Franklin 4th and 1 from the Hanover 3 with half a minute left in the half, ball right in Bonomini's hands for an easy TD but he bobbles it and again Franklin fails to score from inside Hanover's 5 yard line after Jacob Earl fumbled it at the 1 earlier. Braden Smith has thrown some questionable passes while scrambling today. One was intercepted in triple coverage, one was knocked away in smothering double coverage, one the defender was just out of bounds or it'd have been intercepted.
Grizzlies have dominated with a 247-110 yardage advantage and nearly 22 minutes of possession to Hanover's 8:05 yet it's still tied at 7.

All other scores still the same with all at halftime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Franklin converts a 4th down for the 2nd time today (2 for 4 now) and concludes that drive for a TD for the 2nd time. 14-7 Grizzlies.

Earlham on the board, but it's 56-6 Rose

Bluffton pulling away up 34-7 on Defiance.

Manchester still pitching a shutout, 21-0 over Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 03:35:27 PM
Panthers respond and tie the game at 14. Next possession again Braden Smith scrambling and throws an ill advised pass that is intercepted.

Smith is trying too hard to make something out of nothing today. He hasn't had this problem all year. Hopefully he'll start throwing the ball away instead of lobbing one up for multiple Hanover players to get.

Headed to the 4th quarter it's 14-14 and Hanover is inside the Franklin 20.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 03:42:23 PM
Hanover take their first lead of the day on a 27 yard FG. Ball never got more than 20 feet off the ground I don't believe but made it in. 17-14 Hanover early 4th.

RHIT continuing to do as they please. 63-6 late 3rd.
Beavers still up 34-7 on their Ohio rivals.
Manchester-Anderson stats seem to be frozen. 21-0 Spartans the last update.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 03:58:01 PM
Franklin throws a new look at Hanover using a triple back formation and drive down for the TD. But a high snap on the extra point and couldn't find a way in the end zone means it's only a 20-17 lead with 8:41 left. Next Hanover possession results in a punt.

While the game is certainly more exciting and tense, I think I'd prefer the 56-14 blowout from last year :-X
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 04:04:36 PM
Franklin can't grind the clock out like they did last week with Bluffton and Bonomini with a nice punt with 5:34 left.
4th and 2 just inside Franklin territory and Hanover with the 48 yard TD pass. Hanover misses the XP and it's 23-20 Panthers with 3:47 remaining.

Not much happening in the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
2:47 left and Braden Smith running and the ball squirts out at midfield. Hanover recovers at their 45. Grizzlies have all 3 timeouts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
4th and short... they bring out the sticks to measure... and Hanover just gets there. Panthers win the Victory Bell for the first time since 2004 and will head to the playoffs with a 23-20 win.

:'(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 04:37:53 PM
Hanover at 7-3 looks like they're heading for a Purple Power. Have to wait and see who all is in the field and within reach of each other, but my guess right now would be Alliance because I think Eureka is likely at Whitewater since they can't quite reach St John's or Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 11, 2018, 06:19:10 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2018, 04:37:53 PM
Hanover at 7-3 looks like they're heading for a Purple Power. Have to wait and see who all is in the field and within reach of each other, but my guess right now would be Alliance because I think Eureka is likely at Whitewater since they can't quite reach St John's or Mount Union.

Congratulations to the HC.  They earned the win.  I was certainly not shocked at the result.  This day has been coming all season.  Time to regroup and reflect for FC on what direction they are headed over the the off season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 11, 2018, 06:32:02 AM
It was an interesting day, and a win that Hanover has been waiting for for a long time.

I sensed a different feeling throughout the game.  During all past visits to FC, the Victory Bell was heard fairly regularly (TDs, third down conversions, etc), but yesterday, I can't recall hearing it once until Hanover got their hands on it.

I was told that Hanover's starting QB and RB were both injured and out for yesterday's game, so I was glad to see them put up as many points as they did.

I have only been watching this rivalry for 8 years, so not the longevity of some on here, but this clearly was not a typical Grizzlies team.  I expect them to be back to the top of the pack next season, and we will have to wait and see if Hanover or MSJ can put together consecutive seasons where they challenge for the title.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 11, 2018, 05:50:47 PM
Interesting... Hanover heads to North Central while Denison got shipped to Mount Union. Neither Hanover or Denison could reach Wartburg/Bethel while both can reach Wash & Jeff/Centre. The only reason I can see for this would be the potential (like 0.00001%) that Hanover and Centre would have a rematch.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 12, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
I still have fond memories of the GRIZ upset playoff victory over NC in 2008!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CardinalAlum on November 12, 2018, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 12, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
I still have fond memories of the GRIZ upset playoff victory over NC in 2008!

I kind of like the memory of 2007 better!  What a game that was!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 13, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
Both 2007 and 2008 were awesome playoff battles between Franklin and North Central!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 13, 2018, 02:50:16 PM
With Earlham suspending football, maybe the HCAC can find it in its "Heart" to allow them back in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on November 13, 2018, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 13, 2018, 02:50:16 PM
With Earlham suspending football, maybe the HCAC can find it in its "Heart" to allow them back in.
This is disappointing news, but not all together surprising. I think for the last few years, they have been dozens of steps behind the closest competition in the conference. Still, I would have loved to see them come away with at least one win before they potentially shutter the program. You really feel for those guys who, despite being massive underdogs, went out played as hard as they could in every single game. I hope those players who chose to continue on elsewhere find nothing but success. And i hope those that remain at Earlham are rewarded with the return of their program in 2020
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ncc_fan on November 13, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Just curious...
Can anyone shed some light on why Thomas More was either uninterested or unwelcome in the HCAC?  From the perspective of this outsider, the HCAC seemed like an obvious D3 home for them given their location and their rivalry with MSJ.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: ncc_fan on November 13, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Just curious...
Can anyone shed some light on why Thomas More was either uninterested or unwelcome in the HCAC?  From the perspective of this outsider, the HCAC seemed like an obvious D3 home for them given their location and their rivalry with MSJ.

Your word rivalry needs the word "bitter" in front of it, and that might help shed light on why TMU was scola non grata.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: ncc_fan on November 13, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Just curious...
Can anyone shed some light on why Thomas More was either uninterested or unwelcome in the HCAC?  From the perspective of this outsider, the HCAC seemed like an obvious D3 home for them given their location and their rivalry with MSJ.

Your word rivalry needs the word "bitter" in front of it, and that might help shed light on why TMU was scola non grata.

Well said..

Pat - how would this suspension affect the HCAC's automatic bid, if at all?

I'm wondering if the dominoes could fall correctly enough to see an OAC team rejoin the Heartland and then the OAC to...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
It won't have an impact on the HCAC's automatic bid. They had nine this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
It won't have an impact on the HCAC's automatic bid. They had nine this year.

I should have known the rule, but I didn't.

So the spotlight goes onto Defiance..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2018, 06:37:45 PM
A tough decision and challenging situation at Earlham, for sure.  Disappointing and sad that they had to make this decision. Let's hope the alumni step up as well as the administration and athletic administrators make the serious etfiet to regenerate the program. I hope they contact and talk with other colleges who have gone through this such as Occidental, Oberlin, even schools like Olivet, Kalamazoo,Michigan Tech, and small schools like Eureka to discuss how they all approached these challenges and sustained/revitalized their football programs within the realm of their overall academic and general operations. If those schools can do it, Earlham can

Glad to see that Coach Johnson will remain at the college. While I'm sure he was disappointed in how his tenure turned out, he made the difficult decision knowing it was in the best interest of the program and that he did his best and a true effieg in coaching as well as mentoring his players. I personally hope Earlham does not discontinue the program. That would be a shame to go the route of the Swarthmore debacke, although the latter did it for different (and the wrong) reasons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
A few years back, Earlham's President was lobbying hard for NCAA to add Division 4 for football.  The writing was on the wall back then.  Earlham has always been a very strange place.  I grew up near Earlham and several friends attended there.  Great academically but a very strange student body.  We used to know them as the "granola" campus.  Similar to Grinnell in many ways.  Very difficult to recruit athletes, especially in the Midwest.  Never emphasized football, soccer (and ultimate frisbee) would easily draw much larger crowds.  It is also an easier time to make such a decision since Earlham is in some disarray.  The President resigned, enrollment is down, there is a financial crunch, and the coach resigned.               
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2018, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
A few years back, Earlham's President was lobbying hard for NCAA to add Division 4 for football.  The writing was on the wall back then.  Earlham has always been a very strange place.  I grew up near Earlham and several friends attended there.  Great academically but a very strange student body.  We used to know them as the "granola" campus.  Similar to Grinnell in many ways.  Very difficult to recruit athletes, especially in the Midwest.  Never emphasized football, soccer (and ultimate frisbee) would easily draw much larger crowds.  It is also an easier time to make such a decision since Earlham is in some disarray.  The President resigned, enrollment is down, there is a financial crunch, and the coach resigned.               

You're not kidding.  I went on a campus visit there in 1994.  Facilities were awful even back then.  And the student body... yep, strange.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
Back when Earlham made the move to the HCAC, their president at the time was quoted as saying that Earlham's goal was to win half of their games.  I'm sure he was talking about all sports and not just football, but certainly football would be lumped in with that 50/50 strategy.  How do you recruit good players when the stated goal is to lose half of the time?  At best!  Moving out of the NCAC and into the HCAC was supposed to help achieve that goal, according to the president. 

The sad irony is that Earlham went 5-5 in their final season in the NCAC.  They are 3-87 since.  I don't think the NCAC was the problem. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 15, 2018, 01:09:36 PM
The thing that's odd is that Earlham is very competitive in baseball.  They won the HCAC and won an NCAA tourney game or two a couple years ago.  Very nice all turf home field too.  It's like that's not even the same school as what you see with football.  Football just requires so many bodies to compete it's difficult for them I guess. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jamtod on November 15, 2018, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 15, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
Back when Earlham made the move to the HCAC, their president at the time was quoted as saying that Earlham's goal was to win half of their games.  I'm sure he was talking about all sports and not just football, but certainly football would be lumped in with that 50/50 strategy.  How do you recruit good players when the stated goal is to lose half of the time?  At best!  Moving out of the NCAC and into the HCAC was supposed to help achieve that goal, according to the president. 

The sad irony is that Earlham went 5-5 in their final season in the NCAC.  They are 3-87 since.  I don't think the NCAC was the problem.

It's a bummer. Kenyon could use a win these days.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Earlham's athletic facilities (including football) have drastically improved since joining the HCAC.  The campus is beautiful and the academics have a great reputation.  However, coaching staff turnover seems very high and the granola student body has NO campus spirit and does not support athletics in general.  Difficult to recruit athletes when they visit for a football game and 200 people (hardly any students) show up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 15, 2018, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
A few years back, Earlham's President was lobbying hard for NCAA to add Division 4 for football.  The writing was on the wall back then.  Earlham has always been a very strange place.  I grew up near Earlham and several friends attended there.  Great academically but a very strange student body.  We used to know them as the "granola" campus.  Similar to Grinnell in many ways.  Very difficult to recruit athletes, especially in the Midwest.  Never emphasized football, soccer (and ultimate frisbee) would easily draw much larger crowds.  It is also an easier time to make such a decision since Earlham is in some disarray.  The President resigned, enrollment is down, there is a financial crunch, and the coach resigned.               

Last year Forbes did a financial analysis of all private, not for profit schools with enrollments over 500 students. The reviews were done based on 9 different components of positive financial health. Earlham earned a grade of A. So, unless things have changed drastically in the last year, it seems odd that there should be any type of financial "crunch." 💵 🤔
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sigma one on November 15, 2018, 02:48:45 PM
The most ominous part of the announcement about Earlham football is the following:  One result of the examination of how football can resume at Earlham is to "determine the appropriate funding levels and resources to support football outside the College's current operating budget."  What exactly does this mean?  Does it mean that ALL funding for the program must come from outside the operating budget?  That's the way I read it,  If so, I'm thinking that the program has very little chance of being reinstated.  If that's not what it means, what does it mean?   At a place like Earlham, where there is very little student (and I assume alumni) support, where is this money to come from?
And this would presumably have to happen year after year.  It seems like a fool's errand. 
     Additionally, there are many other factors.  How many of the current team members will transfer.  Some, of course, will graduate.  Others will leave or lose interest.  Can a new coach be hired in time to do the recruiting required to put a team on the field in 2020?
There's always someone willing to try, but of what quality?  Would recruits want to come to the campus if the program's future is so up in the air.  Other considerations . . .
     I appreciate Earlham's putting together a committee to try to find a way to make football happen again.  But the odds are extremely long.  A college can run a successful athletics program without football.  If Earlham is willing to fund its other sports competitively, then that's probably the way to proceed.  For the sake of all student-athletes caught up in this predicament, I hope Earlham makes a quick and wise decision.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 15, 2018, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 15, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
A few years back, Earlham's President was lobbying hard for NCAA to add Division 4 for football.  The writing was on the wall back then.  Earlham has always been a very strange place.  I grew up near Earlham and several friends attended there.  Great academically but a very strange student body.  We used to know them as the "granola" campus.  Similar to Grinnell in many ways.  Very difficult to recruit athletes, especially in the Midwest.  Never emphasized football, soccer (and ultimate frisbee) would easily draw much larger crowds.  It is also an easier time to make such a decision since Earlham is in some disarray.  The President resigned, enrollment is down, there is a financial crunch, and the coach resigned.               

Last year Forbes did a financial analysis of all private, not for profit schools with enrollments over 500 students. The reviews were done based on 9 different components of positive financial health. Earlham earned a grade of A. So, unless things have changed drastically in the last year, it seems odd that there should be any type of financial "crunch." 💵 🤔

Sure their endowment is high but it is, quite possibly, tied up and earmarked for specific projects and programs.  I have heard from several in the know who state that the college is struggling financially with a drop in alumni support, a drop in applications, a drop in enrollment and an increase in financial aid expenditures.  The President recently resigned and there has been a large turnover on campus.       
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 16, 2018, 04:04:01 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/indiana-college-cancels-2019-football-season-after-70-6-defeat-and-53-straight-losses

Sad to see a program end.  Old news here, but it national news now.

-Ski
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 20, 2019, 05:08:52 PM
Time to wake this board from it's usual hibernation

With Earlham not playing, that opened up a scheduling slot for the 8 remaining teams.
6 of the 8 will play each other in a non-conference battle in week 3 and then have the conference matchup in week 10: Manchester @ Defiance, Anderson @ Mount St Joseph, Franklin @ Bluffton. Interestingly only the Anderson-MSJ game is at the opposite location as the conference matchup later in the season. On the plus side, that should guarantee at least 3 non-conference wins for the HCAC  :-\
Hanover has filled week 3 with a game at Maryville while Rose-Hulman has a bye that week and filled their traditional season finale against the Quakers slot with a nearly 700 mile trip to St John's. Tough bookends to their season after starting with Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 21, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Rose-Hulman is putting in turf (https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190531ghjvwd) for this season. That combined with Earlham not playing I believe leaves Manchester as the last grass field in the conference and one of the very few in the region.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 21, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 21, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Rose-Hulman is putting in turf (https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190531ghjvwd) for this season. That combined with Earlham not playing I believe leaves Manchester as the last grass field in the conference and one of the very few in the region.

So when is (if you or anyone know if have heard anything possibly about this) Manchester going to cave and put in turf to keep up with it's competitors? IMO, they don't need to completely renovate the stadium to do so and that should lower the cost of putting just the turf on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 09, 2019, 07:18:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 21, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 21, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Rose-Hulman is putting in turf (https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190531ghjvwd) for this season. That combined with Earlham not playing I believe leaves Manchester as the last grass field in the conference and one of the very few in the region.

So when is (if you or anyone know if have heard anything possibly about this) Manchester going to cave and put in turf to keep up with it's competitors? IMO, they don't need to completely renovate the stadium to do so and that should lower the cost of putting just the turf on.

Their entire football set-up not good.  Most HS fields and stands are nicer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 09, 2019, 07:18:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 21, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 21, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Rose-Hulman is putting in turf (https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190531ghjvwd) for this season. That combined with Earlham not playing I believe leaves Manchester as the last grass field in the conference and one of the very few in the region.

So when is (if you or anyone know if have heard anything possibly about this) Manchester going to cave and put in turf to keep up with it's competitors? IMO, they don't need to completely renovate the stadium to do so and that should lower the cost of putting just the turf on.

Their entire football set-up not good.  Most HS fields and stands are nicer.

Nonetheless, if $ is the determining factor (and it almost always is), at least putting in the turf would be a positive move.  For sure, there are some great high school stadiums that some small colleges would love to have, yet the financial situation is what prevents the latter from attaining even that level.   It also depends on the specific college in the sense that we know there are some who will never attain that type of stadium simply due to the football following at those schools just isn't what it is at other schools. Yet in those situations, some schools, who have stadium stands that are "high school style," if I may use that description, they have made rather nice and decent stadiums by adding turf and some nice amenities such as brick entrance and/or walls, iron fencing, brick concessions stands designed to coincide with the entrance, etc. which make a nice upgrade.  These types of schools with such seating and stadiums take into consideration the usual numbers which attend there games.

All the above, is better than doing nothing and I think we would all agree that some of those schools have do it that way to "keep up with the Jones" at least partially, for the recruiting, even at this DIII level.  I could name several small colleges that have done the above, although I will leave it at that.  IMO, I think that at least putting in the turf would be a good initial Phase I for Manchester and, as I mentioned, would be reasonable costs for just doing the turf. Manchester, although a smaller campus, has a nice atmosphere, with some neat historic portions.  Just my thoughts.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 14, 2019, 01:43:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 09, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on August 09, 2019, 07:18:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 21, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 21, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Rose-Hulman is putting in turf (https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20190531ghjvwd) for this season. That combined with Earlham not playing I believe leaves Manchester as the last grass field in the conference and one of the very few in the region.

So when is (if you or anyone know if have heard anything possibly about this) Manchester going to cave and put in turf to keep up with it's competitors? IMO, they don't need to completely renovate the stadium to do so and that should lower the cost of putting just the turf on.

Their entire football set-up not good.  Most HS fields and stands are nicer.

Nonetheless, if $ is the determining factor (and it almost always is), at least putting in the turf would be a positive move.  For sure, there are some great high school stadiums that some small colleges would love to have, yet the financial situation is what prevents the latter from attaining even that level.   It also depends on the specific college in the sense that we know there are some who will never attain that type of stadium simply due to the football following at those schools just isn't what it is at other schools. Yet in those situations, some schools, who have stadium stands that are "high school style," if I may use that description, they have made rather nice and decent stadiums by adding turf and some nice amenities such as brick entrance and/or walls, iron fencing, brick concessions stands designed to coincide with the entrance, etc. which make a nice upgrade.  These types of schools with such seating and stadiums take into consideration the usual numbers which attend there games.

All the above, is better than doing nothing and I think we would all agree that some of those schools have do it that way to "keep up with the Jones" at least partially, for the recruiting, even at this DIII level.  I could name several small colleges that have done the above, although I will leave it at that.  IMO, I think that at least putting in the turf would be a good initial Phase I for Manchester and, as I mentioned, would be reasonable costs for just doing the turf. Manchester, although a smaller campus, has a nice atmosphere, with some neat historic portions.  Just my thoughts.

Manchester's stadium setting is one of my favorite. Sitting along the creek and woods is a beautiful backdrop in the fall. The entire stadium, including field, is an eye sore. I think redoing the stands/bleachers/pressbox would be a better first option for recruiting for any sport that uses the facility. As far as costs, I've been told installing turf is actually cheaper over the long term because you don't have the constant maintenance and upkeep costs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spartan27 on August 14, 2019, 08:07:30 PM
Manchester is beginning construction, any day now, of a new stadium with artificial turf and new track.  A ceremonial ground-breaking will occur a little later, at homecoming.  Completion is expected for the '20 season.  It will be located a little to the south of the current site, still by the tree-lined Eel River.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2019, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: Spartan27 on August 14, 2019, 08:07:30 PM
Manchester is beginning construction, any day now, of a new stadium with artificial turf and new track.  A ceremonial ground-breaking will occur a little later, at homecoming.  Completion is expected for the '20 season.  It will be located a little to the south of the current site, still by the tree-lined Eel River.   

Thanks for the update. I figured they would want to/have to do that at some point on the near future. Sounds like it will cpntinue to be a neat setting for college football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 27, 2019, 11:24:32 AM
Coaches poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20190826mq45o9) is out and for the first time in a while Franklin wasn't picked to finish 1st. Looks like it's pretty much just the order from last season. Last year's records included.

1) Hanover (7)               60 pts   7-4 (7-1)
2) Franklin                     52 pts   8-2 (7-1)
3) Mount St. Joseph (1) 51 pts   8-2 (7-1)
4) Rose-Hulman            39 pts   5-5 (5-3)
5) Manchester               28 pts   4-6 (4-4)
6) Bluffton                    26 pts   3-7 (3-5)
7) Anderson                  17 pts   2-8 (2-6)
8) Defiance                   15 pts   1-9 (1-7)

Earlham and Transylvania will combine to go 0-0 this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 27, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 27, 2019, 11:24:32 AM
Coaches poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20190826mq45o9) is out and for the first time in a while Franklin wasn't picked to finish 1st. Looks like it's pretty much just the order from last season. Last year's records included.

1) Hanover (7)               60 pts   7-4 (7-1)
2) Franklin                     52 pts   8-2 (7-1)
3) Mount St. Joseph (1) 51 pts   8-2 (7-1)
4) Rose-Hulman            39 pts   5-5 (5-3)
5) Manchester               28 pts   4-6 (4-4)
6) Bluffton                    26 pts   3-7 (3-5)
7) Anderson                  17 pts   2-8 (2-6)
8) Defiance                   15 pts   1-9 (1-7)

Earlham and Transylvania will combine to go 0-0 this season.

We will see how MSJ has responded to their big brother handing out schollys in 2019. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on August 28, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
Coach Theo must have mailed gift cards to get so much early love for the Panthers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 28, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
Some interesting tidbits I can glean from the poll...

-Whichever coach picked MSJ 1st had Hanover 5th behind I'm assuming MSJ, Franklin, Rose, and either Manchester or Bluffton. (7 first place votes (8 points each) is 56 meaning 4 points for a 5th)
-No one is sure who will take Earlham's place at the bottom since Defiance and Anderson are both around a 7th place average (16 points).

I tried to make up a possible balloting scenario, no real way to know for sure how everyone voted but my best effort produced:
Hanover: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 5
Franklin: 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3
MSJ: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4
Rose: 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6
Manchester: 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7
Bluffton: 4, 4, 4, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7
Anderson: 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8
Defiance: 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 06, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
Bringing this up as I do every year... technically the conference is guaranteed 3 wins since there's the three non-conference conference games in a couple weeks but those don't really count. Interestingly there will still be 18 true non-conference games with 6 teams still playing 2 (plus a conference opponent) while Hanover and Rose have 3.

Regular season non-conference record
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
Earlham joins HCAC
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)

My predictions, Hanover should best Adrian, MSJ could bookend their season with wins over Geneva and SUNY Maritime, Franklin should win this weekend over Benedictine and next week will be a tight one with Albion, Manchester has a shot at Alma. Anything else would be a big upset. I think the likely outcome will be in the 4-5 win range this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 07:30:17 PM
HCAC 1-3 so far, MSJ with the win but it was a 1 score game with only a few minutes left. Hanover was never a real threat to Centre in the 2nd half as they were never within 2 scores until there was 3 minutes left. Bluffton was scoreless at the half and only down 10-6 after the 3rd but Wooster with three 4th quarter TDs to put away the Beavers.

Evening games not a great start so far... Rose and Defiance both down 21-0 to Mount Union and Albion respectively. Benedictine takes the opening kickoff and holds on to the ball for more than half the quarter to lead Franklin 7-0.

I believe Anderson leads North Park 12-7 at halftime. Franklin runs it in on 4th and 2 from the 7 and tie the game 7-7 after the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 08:33:20 PM
Benedictine keeping the Franklin offense off the field. If you include the last minute drive, Franklin only had the ball 4 times. Odd end to the half as Franklin goes for the hail mary but it's intercepted with a long return and a penalty which leads to Benedictine kicking a FG with no time on the clock. Grizzlies down 16-10 at halftime but receive the ball in the 2nd half.

Anderson now trails North Park 21-12 in the 4th quarter.

Albion cruising 42-6 over Defiance entering the 4th quarter.

Rose trails the #2 Purple Raiders 42-7 at halftime. Last year the Engineers lost 54-0 so they're on the board at least.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
Ravens within 2 and were driving but fumbled it into the endzone for a touchback. They get the 3 and out and will get another chance starting from their own 36 with 3 minutes left. First play a 64 yard run later plus 2 points conversion and the Ravens are up 27-21. Anderson is 2:47 from their first non-conference win since an NCAC Earlham win in 2008.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 08:55:45 PM
Anderson stops North Park and then immediately scores again. 34-21 with 1:44 left.

Franklin takes the 2nd half kick and drive for a TD. 17-16 Grizzlies lead with 9 minutes left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 09:10:52 PM
Congrats to the Ravens. 34-21 win over North Park. Anderson's first non-conference win since 2008, first season opening win since 2007. They'll have a chance to start 2-0 at home against NAIA Cincinnati Christian next week.

Benedictine get a FG and lead Franklin 19-17. Grizzlies drive inside the 10 then fumble it away near the end of the 3rd.

Defiance loses 56-6 to Albion. Albion will head to Franklin next Saturday.

Rose has put another TD on the board but are losing 63-14 still in the 3rd.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 09:40:19 PM
Huge stop on 4th and an inch and Franklin gets the ball back with 2 minutes left and a 25-19 lead. But another fumble and Benedictine gets the ball back in the red zone.

Rose game is over and it's a 66-14 loss to the #2 team in the country. The Engineers head down to Memphis next week to take on Rhodes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 09:43:49 PM
Benedictine has retaken the lead 26-25 and Grizzlies will have 1:20 to win the game. Franklin has moved the ball well all game but turnovers and a lack of possessions have held them to just 25 points.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 09:58:48 PM
Franklin tries the lateral game but can't get moving upfield and Benedictine holds on for the 26-25 win. Grizzlies played well, but fumbles and pass defense cost them. Run defense was good, offense was rolling except for the fumbles, but it wasn't as quick strike as we're accustomed to.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2019, 10:32:29 PM
FCGrizzliesGrad:

So your take on your Franklin (at least so far this year)...Is Franklin just not as good as they have been in some recent years? Or did they just not have a good game against Benedictine, a team that wasn't very good at last year?  Or is Benedictine that improved?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 11:00:02 PM
Honestly, if they didn't fumble it 4 times and could have done better with their pass defense then the game wouldn't have been close.

The offense is plenty potent still but seems to be a bit more methodical than in the past. Their drives tonight ended in TD, FG, downs (4th and 10 at BU 30), INT (end of half hail mary), TD, fumble (muffed punt), fumble, TD, fumble, fumble (end of game laterals). Not counting the quick end of half drives and a muffed punt, Franklin only had 7 possessions. If they can clean up the turnovers then they'll be fine.

Run defense was solid, limiting Benedictine to just 76 yards on the ground but the pass defense needs to do better. Benedictine was fairly similar to Franklin in the passing game so the defense should have been used to it but still gave up 280 yards on 29 of 37 passing.

I expect some focus on holding onto the ball this week in practice. Next week against Albion will show if this game was a bit of an aberration or if they're truly not the team to beat this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2019, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2019, 11:00:02 PM
Honestly, if they didn't fumble it 4 times and could have done better with their pass defense then the game wouldn't have been close.

The offense is plenty potent still but seems to be a bit more methodical than in the past. Their drives tonight ended in TD, FG, downs (4th and 10 at BU 30), INT (end of half hail mary), TD, fumble (muffed punt), fumble, TD, fumble, fumble (end of game laterals). Not counting the quick end of half drives and a muffed punt, Franklin only had 7 possessions. If they can clean up the turnovers then they'll be fine.

Run defense was solid, limiting Benedictine to just 76 yards on the ground but the pass defense needs to do better. Benedictine was fairly similar to Franklin in the passing game so the defense should have been used to it but still gave up 280 yards on 29 of 37 passing.

I expect some focus on holding onto the ball this week in practice. Next week against Albion will show if this game was a bit of an aberration or if they're truly not the team to beat this year.

Thanks for your assessment.  Yes, I agree that next week against Albion should be some indication, actually, for both teams.  Albion, with some newcomers on its coaching staff, is supposed to be a favorite for the MIAA title, along with Hope, as I'm sure you have heard.  However, despite a big win for Albion today, it is certainly difficult to assess them because they pasted a not so good Defiance team, which we (Hope) play next Saturday.  Anyway, we'll see what happens!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 07:45:52 PM
What's the deal?  Rose-Hulman can only get 2,000 people (can't fill their 3,500 seat stadium) to come out for the Mount Union game?  Labor Day weekend is over, classes are in session, student's around-what's with that?  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2019, 07:55:07 PM
That's more than twice what they averaged for non-Homecoming home games last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2019, 07:55:07 PM
That's more than twice what they averaged for non-Homecoming home games last year.

Well, Pat, I guess that is, indeed, good.  Hope the upward trend will continue for them despite the opening season loss to Mount Union.

BTW, sorry about your Capital this weekend. :( (as I recall, that's your alma mater, correct?)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
It is not, but my alma mater wasn't any more successful. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Begins with a Ca... wow there's a bunch.
Cabrini, Cairn, Caltech, Calvin, Cazenovia don't play football
Cal Lutheran, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Carroll, Carthage, Case Western Reserve, Castleton aren't in a capital
and we've eliminated Capital.
I believe that leaves us with just one option... Cardinals ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Begins with a Ca... wow there's a bunch.
Cabrini, Cairn, Caltech, Calvin, Cazenovia don't play football
Cal Lutheran, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Carroll, Carthage, Case Western Reserve, Castleton aren't in a capital
and we've eliminated Capital.
I believe that leaves us with just one option... Cardinals ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
It is not, but my alma mater wasn't any more successful. :)

Now where in the blazes did I get that from? ??? Duh, sorry guys! :-[ ::) ;D  That's what I get for a) it being late(r) on Sunday night doing this and b) being old and experiencing some "senior moments" from time to time, you know, a faulty memory. I hope you don't hold it against me!  Also, to add to that, my wife has always (and continues to) accuse me of "embellishing and/or getting part of the stories wrong," especially Hope College stories from back in our time there!  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on September 09, 2019, 06:25:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Begins with a Ca... wow there's a bunch.
Cabrini, Cairn, Caltech, Calvin, Cazenovia don't play football
Cal Lutheran, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Carroll, Carthage, Case Western Reserve, Castleton aren't in a capital
and we've eliminated Capital.
I believe that leaves us with just one option... Cardinals ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
It is not, but my alma mater wasn't any more successful. :)

Now where in the blazes did I get that from? ??? Duh, sorry guys! :-[ ::) ;D  That's what I get for a) it being late(r) on Sunday night doing this and b) being old and experiencing some "senior moments" from time to time, you know, a faulty memory. I hope you don't hold it against me!  Also, to add to that, my wife has always (and continues to) accuse me of "embellishing and/or getting part of the stories wrong," especially Hope College stories from back in our time there!  ::)

Hey doc

Hope you don't have a senior moment with scalpel in hand. Speaking of Hope, Go Flying Dutchmen!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Well, he got the first two letters right. And your alma mater is located in a capital. ;)
Begins with a Ca... wow there's a bunch.
Cabrini, Cairn, Caltech, Calvin, Cazenovia don't play football
Cal Lutheran, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Carroll, Carthage, Case Western Reserve, Castleton aren't in a capital
and we've eliminated Capital.
I believe that leaves us with just one option... Cardinals ;)

Ca-rect!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
MUC57:

No way! That is one aspect that would never happen and has never happened to me, TG!  As important as college football (especially DIII) is to me, the other is way more important-hands down/no question, obviously.  Certainly can afford and be humble with an occasional mis-step here, but not with the other as that is unacceptable no matter which way you cut it (pun intended ;)) Again, that has never happened to me and never will.  I usually adhere to that old phrase..."Never say never", however, in this personal situation, that doesn't apply and I am not intending that as being "arrogant."

Anyway, thanks for the well wishes for Hope.  We will need to bounce back and I suspect we will have a very good chance at doing that this Saturday as we play Defiance at home and they appear to continue to be having a tough time now such as they have the past couple of years or so.  GO RAIDERS! :) 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on September 10, 2019, 06:35:27 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
MUC57:

No way! That is one aspect that would never happen and has never happened to me, TG!  As important as college football (especially DIII) is to me, the other is way more important-hands down/no question, obviously.  Certainly can afford and be humble with an occasional mis-step here, but not with the other as that is unacceptable no matter which way you cut it (pun intended ;)) Again, that has never happened to me and never will.  I usually adhere to that old phrase..."Never say never", however, in this personal situation, that doesn't apply and I am not intending that as being "arrogant."

Anyway, thanks for the well wishes for Hope.  We will need to bounce back and I suspect we will have a very good chance at doing that this Saturday as we play Defiance at home and they appear to continue to be having a tough time now such as they have the past couple of years or so.  GO RAIDERS! :)

Was just teasing you doc. You didn't really need the long explanation. Hey, you're one of the good guys on these boards. I always enjoy reading your posts and "chatting" with you.
Now, let's get Hope in the win column for the rest of the year. Go Flying Dutchmen!  8-)  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2019, 02:52:25 PM
Early games going about as expected... Hanover all over Adrian 42-0 in the 3rd, Hope returning the favor for the MIAA over Defiance 42-6 at halftime, and Bluffton down 28-13 to Trine at halftime. We've got 2 more MIAA matchups this evening which should both be good games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
The HCAC have officially topped last year's non-conference win total with Hanover's 49-28 win. Hanover had a 42-0 lead in the 3rd quarter and was in full control even though they gave up some garbage time scores.

Bluffton goes down 35-20 to Trine.

Defiance is taking over Earlham's slot this season. They lose 80-6 to Hope. They've been outscored 136-12 this season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
The HCAC have officially topped last year's non-conference win total with Hanover's 49-28 win. Hanover had a 42-0 lead in the 3rd quarter and was in full control even though they gave up some garbage time scores.

Bluffton goes down 35-20 to Trine.

Defiance is taking over Earlham's slot this season. They lose 80-6 to Hope. They've been outscored 136-12 this season.

While it was obviously a good feeling for Hope to rebound today after last week's opening season loss at Millikin, I did feel sorry for Defiance.  They simply and progressively fell apart as the game continued.  A long TD run with just seconds into the game was a preview of what was to happen.  Hope broke its all-time scoring total against any opponent, breaking the previous record of 71 points scored against Ferris State way back in 1919.  Also, just in case-just to make it clear-there was no running up of the score.  Defiance provided Hope with scoring opportunities via interceptions and fumbles several times in the second half. As I mentioned, many of us felt sorry for the Defiance players and as the 4th quarter dragged on, we almost wished it would just get over with for the sake of Defiance, although this certainly provided an opportunity for many Hope reserve players to get some playing time experience.

Defiance is a very young team and their second year head coach (who has FBS, FCS, CFL, DIII, and NAIA coaching experience) has several new coaches on the staff even this year.  I had the opportunity to talk with one of their young underclassmen players on the sidelines at one point during the game and simply encouraged them to "Stay the Course" and do the best they could.  Defiance simply made too many mistakes today, although, honestly and obviously, Hope was way above their talent level.  Anyway, it's on to the next week for both.

The other two games you mention (Trine/Bluffton and Adrian/Hanover) went essentially as expected by many, I believe.  Although Albion appears to be very good (so far) this year, I was surprised that they beat Franklin.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 16, 2019, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
The HCAC have officially topped last year's non-conference win total with Hanover's 49-28 win. Hanover had a 42-0 lead in the 3rd quarter and was in full control even though they gave up some garbage time scores.

Bluffton goes down 35-20 to Trine.

Defiance is taking over Earlham's slot this season. They lose 80-6 to Hope. They've been outscored 136-12 this season.

While it was obviously a good feeling for Hope to rebound today after last week's opening season loss at Millikin, I did feel sorry for Defiance.  They simply and progressively fell apart as the game continued.  A long TD run with just seconds into the game was a preview of what was to happen.  Hope broke its all-time scoring total against any opponent, breaking the previous record of 71 points scored against Ferris State way back in 1919.  Also, just in case-just to make it clear-there was no running up of the score.  Defiance provided Hope with scoring opportunities via interceptions and fumbles several times in the second half. As I mentioned, many of us felt sorry for the Defiance players and as the 4th quarter dragged on, we almost wished it would just get over with for the sake of Defiance, although this certainly provided an opportunity for many Hope reserve players to get some playing time experience.

Defiance is a very young team and their second year head coach (who has FBS, FCS, CFL, DIII, and NAIA coaching experience) has several new coaches on the staff even this year.  I had the opportunity to talk with one of their young underclassmen players on the sidelines at one point during the game and simply encouraged them to "Stay the Course" and do the best they could.  Defiance simply made too many mistakes today, although, honestly and obviously, Hope was way above their talent level.  Anyway, it's on to the next week for both.

The other two games you mention (Trine/Bluffton and Adrian/Hanover) went essentially as expected by many, I believe.  Although Albion appears to be very good (so far) this year, I was surprised that they beat Franklin.

Franklin is way down this year, not a surprise that Albion beat them.  Albion beat Franklin last season and they have all of their skill players back from last season.  Franklin lost a great deal of talent on offense and their defense is typical Franklin - not very good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 20, 2019, 03:31:36 PM
Is Manchester playing Defiance twice??? Curious to know...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
There are 3 games this week which are non-conference with a rematch in week 10 counting as a conference game due to the opening in the schedule from Earlham not playing. Manchester-Defiance, Franklin-Bluffton, MSJ-Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 20, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
There are 3 games this week which are non-conference with a rematch in week 10 counting as a conference game due to the opening in the schedule from Earlham not playing. Manchester-Defiance, Franklin-Bluffton, MSJ-Anderson.

I see, I was just curious because Salisbury had openings this week and next week, but I'm assuming due to the technical aspect of Earlham, it was best solution for the conference and there was no interest to play outside opponents...sigh!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2019, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 20, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
There are 3 games this week which are non-conference with a rematch in week 10 counting as a conference game due to the opening in the schedule from Earlham not playing. Manchester-Defiance, Franklin-Bluffton, MSJ-Anderson.

I see, I was just curious because Salisbury had openings this week and next week, but I'm assuming due to the technical aspect of Earlham, it was best solution for the conference and there was no interest to play outside opponents...sigh!
It wasn't known until November and that left 8 teams suddenly with an opening. If 1 team found a 3rd opponent then a 2nd team has to or they'd have no one. Ultimately Hanover and Rose added games (my guess is Hanover this week with Maryville and Rose week 11 with St John's).
Mount has an odd choice in week 11 with SUNY Maritime. Since they stopped playing Thomas More (their traditional week 11 matchup) they generally have had their bye week then.

Hopefully next season scheduling will be cleaner, but until we know if Earlham will play then you can really only schedule a single year rather than a traditional home and home deal.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2019, 02:47:21 PM
Braden Smith not at QB today for Franklin. Grizzlies have run twice as much as passed so far and were rather conservative in the final minute before halftime. 14-7 lead on Bluffton at the half.

Hanover up 17-3 in the 3rd down in Tennessee against Maryville. Looks like they've doubled up the Scots offense so far and lead the turnover battle 2-0

MSJ only up 14-0 on Anderson at halftime. Anderson is certainly improved this season. Let's see if they can keep it close in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
Franklin leads 24-19 with 1:10 left in the 3rd and they're on a delay for lightning.

Hanover lead 24-10 with under 5 minutes left and just intercepted so looking good to win now.

MSJ still leads 14-0 midway through the 3rd.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2019, 04:28:27 PM
Hanover wins 31-10.

Anderson held strong for nearly 3 quarters. MSJ finally broke through in the final minute of the 3rd and led 34-0 before a late Ravens TD made it a 34-7 final.

Not sure if it was a fumble or interception but the ball was up for grabs in a group at the line and a Franklin player ended up with it and got a nice return. Grizzlies up 27-19 with under 3 minutes left trying to close it out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 21, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
34-19 Franklin wins.

I lost count of how many times the seas parted and the Bluffton QB just stepped up and ran straight ahead for 8-10 yards because the Franklin D line were upfield and off to the sides and there were no linebackers in the middle backing them up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2019, 02:10:35 AM
Now that we're headed into conference play, here's where I see the conference

Hanover is at the top. They'll easily be 6-1 headed into November when the challenges begin.
MSJ has the edge for #2 but they've been a bit lackluster so far. This week against Franklin will show if they'll fight with Hanover for the title or not.
Rose is hard to read after those first two game. They could go anywhere in the top 4 at the moment.
Franklin is still a top half team but they're either 3rd or 4th best.

Bluffton is solidly at #5 and could upset someone above.

Manchester and Anderson are 6th and 7th. Will be a good season finale between these two.

Defiance I think is at Earlham levels right now. With all the long losing streaks broken already this year I wonder if Earlham could have broken theirs against the Yellow Jackets.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 23, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
What happened to Smith?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2019, 11:26:21 PM
Updating this now that we're entering conference play. Still two more games to go this season, MSJ heads to SUNY-Maritime and Rose travels to St John's to finish the season.

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-10 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-0; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-1)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2019, 06:01:13 PM
Well, that was painful.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on September 29, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
The GRIZ appeared to have more fight in them in the second half.  Lack of depth at QB and receiving corps has essentially squelched any opportunity for a conference championship, porous defense not withstanding. FC doesnt appear to have the juice even if QB were healthy.  Opportunities for young players to get in there this year and compete.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2019, 09:01:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2019, 06:01:13 PM
Well, that was painful.

wow - must really be an off year at Franklin to lose like that... to those guys.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 30, 2019, 06:19:29 PM
Total rebuild at Franklin, worst GRIZ team in around 20 years.  Throw in the fact that the returning QB is hurt, the GRIZ are in for a long season!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2019, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 30, 2019, 06:19:29 PM
Total rebuild at Franklin, worst GRIZ team in around 20 years.  Throw in the fact that the returning QB is hurt, the GRIZ are in for a long season!
I'd say more like 15 years. My freshman year was the last time the Grizzlies failed to reach .500 back in 2003. 2005 was the last non-winning season. I still think they can get to 5-5 this year, Defiance, Anderson, Manchester, Bluffton still to come but they can't afford to lose any because they'd need to upset Rose or Hanover on the road to make up for it.

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2019, 09:01:50 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2019, 06:01:13 PM
Well, that was painful.

wow - must really be an off year at Franklin to lose like that... to those guys.
Probably a coinflip between them and Hanover to win the conference but Franklin just doesn't have the air attack they've had the past decade+. Run game is definitely better but not enough to compensate with their usual porous defense. Not to give you any nightmares, but MSJ have the chance of being 10-0 which might be enough to avoid a CCIW buzzsaw in the playoffs.
Glad to see you're still around. How's NAIA life going so far for the Saints?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJguy on October 01, 2019, 09:01:24 AM
Franklin is without a doubt worse than I have ever seen them. Two off script scores (the fumble return touchdown and the punt block) and they still only mustered two scores. This MSJ team is really good, they struggled a bit in the early going. The matchup against Geneva was a difficult one because of the triple option they run. They also didnt play their best against Anderson, the team was a little lethargic, which is understandable against a traditionally bad Anderson team. The Lions still employ the prodigious passing attack they have had since Chaiten Tomlin took over as QB four years ago. The difference this year is the defense is really good too. I think it comes down to MSJ vs. Hanover at The Mount on November 2nd. Rose is the outlier they are definitely better than they were a year ago, I am just not sure if they have enough offense to beat the Lions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on October 02, 2019, 06:23:38 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 23, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
What happened to Smith?

Injured/broken thumb on throwing hand.  Out maybe 4 more weeks. At this point no backup in place.  QB is just one concern to be honest.  Even if Smith healthy, receivers that can get open is another issue.  Secondary not where it needs to be either.  Multitude of issues.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 02, 2019, 04:27:00 PM
Agreed, but Franklin depends on the QB for the bulk of their success.  We have always had a porous defense but we were almost always able to just outscore opponents.  We need to identify a QB while Smith is out and I think it might be QB by committee.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 05, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Smith comes back early from injury and leads FC to the big comeback victory at Rose-Hulman!  Surprising win for the GRIZ and a big blow to the Engineers.  Last second win for the second year in a row!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJguy on October 07, 2019, 02:22:38 PM
Cant believe Smith played for the Griz... that win keeps it a four team race! Still likely comes down to MSJ vs Hanover
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2019, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2019, 11:23:23 PM
Probably a coinflip between them and Hanover to win the conference but Franklin just doesn't have the air attack they've had the past decade+. Run game is definitely better but not enough to compensate with their usual porous defense. Not to give you any nightmares, but MSJ have the chance of being 10-0 which might be enough to avoid a CCIW buzzsaw in the playoffs.
Glad to see you're still around. How's NAIA life going so far for the Saints?

I'm living in Boston, so I haven't see too much.  Its been an adjustment to the size in NAIA.  I was in the offices last week during a visit to Cincinnati.  Sounds like recruiting is going well.. as it was told to me, they had already targeted really good players in D3 but this is a different level.  The money helps get into living rooms and they are in a tough conference with a large footprint. 

Add to that a new school President and its been a season of change in Crestview Hills.   

Its an opportunity for other d3 schools to recruit in Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2019, 04:09:18 PM
The last time Manchester beat Franklin, there was no such site as d3football. 21 in a row for the Grizzlies since the Spartans last won in 1997. Donavan Henderson breaks the Manchester career rushing record in the process. He entered the game #2 in D3 for rushing yards per game (149.6) and #3 for total rushing yards (748) this season and that average will go up a little.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 19, 2019, 04:36:34 PM
Most embarrassing loss in school history!  I have been attending GRIZ games for 40 years and this is the first game (home or away) that I have left early.  Worst play calling that I have ever seen at any level!  I love Coach Leonard but whoever calls the plays never gave the players a chance to win today.  We could have run the ball and won by 21 points today.  Why are we throwing the ball 40 yards down the field and never looking short, why are we throwing (and getting sacked) on 2nd and 2 when we had success every time we ran the ball.  I know we have always been known as a passing team but give me a break.  We don't appear to care if we lose as long as we try to score in the air.  I am done for this season, no more GRIZ games for me this season and maybe many years to come!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2019, 08:14:44 AM
Game day.
Franklin plays their final home game of the season against winless Defiance
Bluffton could finally hit the win column against Anderson
Hanover continues their wait for the big conference games taking on Manchester this week
Mount St Joseph needs to not look ahead to next week's game against Hanover or Rose-Hulman could keep their hopes of a playoff berth alive
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Baldini on October 26, 2019, 10:32:34 PM
Did the Lions get busted looking ahead or is Rose-Hulman a better team? Rose-Hulman was better today and I guess that is all that counts anymore.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2019, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: Baldini on October 26, 2019, 10:32:34 PM
Did the Lions get busted looking ahead or is Rose-Hulman a better team? Rose-Hulman was better today and I guess that is all that counts anymore.

I think that in general we just didn't have a lot of data to go on for MSJ. Playing Geneva, Anderson, Defiance, Manchester and Bluffton isn't generally going to provide a ton of information -- speaking from Top 25 voter perspective here. And unfortunately, Franklin is 4-4 and doesn't help this year either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 27, 2019, 01:42:47 PM
I think conditions had something to do with MSJ's offensive short circuit yesterday.  It looked like a full blown toad strangler out there and pass-first(only?) offenses are going to have a bad time. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 01, 2019, 08:41:16 PM
Conference won't be won, but will determine who can get in based on the Hanover @ Rose game next week (assuming no other upsets).
If Rose wins out then they're in.
If Hanover beats MSJ then next week over Rose they'll return to the playoffs.
If MSJ beats Hanover, then Hanover beats Rose, MSJ would get the spot.
And *takes a deep breath* If MSJ beats Hanover, Hanover beats Rose, Anderson beats MSJ, and Franklin beats Hanover then there's a 4 way tie for 1st and maybe Franklin could have a shot. :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2019, 04:03:06 PM
With Rose and Hanover well on their way to wins today that will set up a conference title game next week between the two. If Hanover wins they lock up sole possession of 1st regardless of their final game (they'll have 0 losses while everyone else has at least 2). If Rose wins, they finish their conference slate 6-1 and guaranteed at least a share of the title with Hanover (sole possession if Hanover also loses to Franklin) and will have the tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 03, 2019, 12:06:05 PM
Franklin held serve against Bye College. On to Bluffton for a scuffle with the Beavers!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 03, 2019, 12:21:30 PM
Had Franklin not lost to Manchester for the first time since any of the current players were born, they'd be in control of their playoff destiny. They could have finished 6-1 and been tied with either Hanover or Rose and had the tiebreaker. Instead the playoff spot will be decided in Terre Haute this week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 09, 2019, 02:23:34 PM
Again, just like the Manchester game, the FC coaching staff with horrible play calling.  They don't appear to want to win this game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2019, 03:25:56 PM
Hanover with 2 TD in the final 3 minutes of the 1st half and they're 30 minutes from the playoffs. Almost a 3rd when they returned the hail mary for a TD but a roughing the passer penalty keeps the points off the board and a possible injury to the Rose QB. It's 28-6 at halftime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 09, 2019, 04:02:15 PM
The last time Franklin scored only 10 points, you have to go back to the 2013 playoffs when they lost 33-3 to UW-Whitewater. The last time a conference opponent did it was the 2004 Bell Game which Hanover won 24-7.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 13, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
Any Rose Hulman fans making the journey to SJU?

SJU Game Notes (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/gojohnnies.com/documents/2019/11/13/111619_RoseHulman_GameNotes.pdf)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spartan27 on November 15, 2019, 01:20:06 PM
Anderson at Manchester tomorrow in last game at Carl Burt Stadium, formerly called Kenapocomoco Field (the Potawatami name for the Eel River flowing beside it).  Since 1924, 95 years of football has been played on that ground, by players including MC's Herb Banet (Green Bay Packers) and Don Lieberum (NY Giants) coached by Burt on powerful teams in the 1930's, Bluffton's Elbert Dubenion (all-pro, Buffalo Bills) in the '50's, MC's Mike Kelly (U. Dayton NCAA Hall of Fame coach) and  Franklin's Terry Hoeppner (Miami and IU coach) in the '60's. The new facility is under construction nearby.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2019, 10:36:32 AM
Rivalry day is here... Victory Bell, Bronze Ball, Battle for the Hammer. Two non-conference games against teams at opposite ends of the spectrum but headed to the playoffs. Rose with a tough test at St John's while Mount heads east to SUNY Maritime who would enter the tournament with a losing record if the Lions win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
What on earth happened in NY? Mount St Joseph put up 166 total yards and less than 20 minutes of possession in an 11-9 loss to SUNY Maritime.

Franklin almost took down Hanover. Panthers with a TD with a minute and a half left. The Victory Bell stays in Hanover for a 2nd year 27-21

Defiance gets their first win of the season and win the Battle of the Hammer for the first time in 4 years and second time this decade 10-7 over Bluffton.

Scoreboard operators in Manchester had their work cut out with the Spartans holding the Bronze Ball for the 9th year in a row in a 70-54 win over Anderson.

A couple 4th quarter TDs make the score a little closer but Rose was beaten handily by St John's 47-14.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Hanover gets screwed and heads to Mount Union for the first round. Let's see how much better they fare than Rose did to begin the season.
Hanover and Wabash should have been swapped in the bracket, it wasn't a mileage issue so don't know what the committee was doing there. 7-3 Wabash heads to North Central while 9-1 Hanover heads to Mount. >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Hanover gets screwed and heads to Mount Union for the first round. Let's see how much better they fare than Rose did to begin the season.
Hanover and Wabash should have been swapped in the bracket, it wasn't a mileage issue so don't know what the committee was doing there. 7-3 Wabash heads to North Central while 9-1 Hanover heads to Mount. >:(

Tell me about it. I thought Aurora should've gotten a bit better of a matchup instead of going to St. John's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Thunder44 on November 18, 2019, 08:14:16 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 16, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
What on earth happened in NY? Mount St Joseph put up 166 total yards and less than 20 minutes of possession in an 11-9 loss to SUNY Maritime.

Franklin almost took down Hanover. Panthers with a TD with a minute and a half left. The Victory Bell stays in Hanover for a 2nd year 27-21

Defiance gets their first win of the season and win the Battle of the Hammer for the first time in 4 years and second time this decade 10-7 over Bluffton.

Scoreboard operators in Manchester had their work cut out with the Spartans holding the Bronze Ball for the 9th year in a row in a 70-54 win over Anderson.

A couple 4th quarter TDs make the score a little closer but Rose was beaten handily by St John's 47-14.

Hanover was lucky to escape with the W.  Franklin came to play, and had a good game plan and matched up well.  I haven't looked at the stats, but I wonder how many yards the Griz had in the fourth quarter.  Everyone in the stands knew who was getting the ball, but Hanover didn't seem able to stop the big runs.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2019, 11:19:47 PM
http://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191121oxv0t9
Coach Leonard is stepping down as HC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 22, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2019, 11:19:47 PM
http://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191121oxv0t9
Coach Leonard is stepping down as HC.

Is this a surprise or was it expected now/near future?  Leonard did one heck of a job at Franklin.  Big shoes to fill.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 22, 2019, 09:41:17 AM
Coach Leonard was outstanding, congratulations to him on his success at Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 22, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Hanover gets screwed and heads to Mount Union for the first round. Let's see how much better they fare than Rose did to begin the season.
Hanover and Wabash should have been swapped in the bracket, it wasn't a mileage issue so don't know what the committee was doing there. 7-3 Wabash heads to North Central while 9-1 Hanover heads to Mount. >:(

Grizz,

Do you think Hanover would really benefit that much by getting sent to North Central? You never know what the NCAA is thinking or what they are likely to do, but sending HC to Naperville rather than Alliance would likely only have raised their chance of winning from 0% to 1%. Everybody acts like NCC's one loss makes them an easy opponent. They forget that their one loss is to a #1 seed, and the nation's #3 team, and that even with that one loss, they're still ranked #5. And the HC trip to Naperville last year wasn't exactly a rousing success.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2019, 12:48:38 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 22, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Hanover gets screwed and heads to Mount Union for the first round. Let's see how much better they fare than Rose did to begin the season.
Hanover and Wabash should have been swapped in the bracket, it wasn't a mileage issue so don't know what the committee was doing there. 7-3 Wabash heads to North Central while 9-1 Hanover heads to Mount. >:(

Grizz,

Do you think Hanover would really benefit that much by getting sent to North Central? You never know what the NCAA is thinking or what they are likely to do, but sending HC to Naperville rather than Alliance would likely only have raised their chance of winning from 0% to 1%. Everybody acts like NCC's one loss makes them an easy opponent. They forget that their one loss is to a #1 seed, and the nation's #3 team, and that even with that one loss, they're still ranked #5. And the HC trip to Naperville last year wasn't exactly a rousing success.
By no means am I saying Hanover would go out and win had they gotten North Central, but Mount Union is clearly the higher seed between the two so they should have the worse opponent. And how can you possibly say Hanover is worse than Wabash this season? This wasn't even a case of having to shift several teams all around to make it happen, just flip Hanover and Wabash. It seems like the committee simply screwed that one up. Looking at the d3f bracket capsules (https://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2019/bracket-mount-union), we've ended up with 1v6 and 4v8... switch Hanover and Wabash and you have 1v8 and 4v6.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 25, 2019, 12:57:27 PM
Moot point now, but lets be honest.  Hanover isnt that good.  They benefited from more parity in the HCAC. Franklin is down. RHIT and MSJ are nearly identical to Hanover.  They had a nice season and won the conference.  Long way from a playoff team that gets to host etc. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 25, 2019, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 22, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 17, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Hanover gets screwed and heads to Mount Union for the first round. Let's see how much better they fare than Rose did to begin the season.
Hanover and Wabash should have been swapped in the bracket, it wasn't a mileage issue so don't know what the committee was doing there. 7-3 Wabash heads to North Central while 9-1 Hanover heads to Mount. >:(

Grizz,

Do you think Hanover would really benefit that much by getting sent to North Central? You never know what the NCAA is thinking or what they are likely to do, but sending HC to Naperville rather than Alliance would likely only have raised their chance of winning from 0% to 1%. Everybody acts like NCC's one loss makes them an easy opponent. They forget that their one loss is to a #1 seed, and the nation's #3 team, and that even with that one loss, they're still ranked #5. And the HC trip to Naperville last year wasn't exactly a rousing success.

Absolutely nobody thinks this.  Nobody anywhere has said anything to this effect or anything that even remotely toes the edge of this sentiment.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 20, 2019, 07:35:06 PM
All Region from the HCAC

1st team:
LB Kyle Treber - Hanover
3rd team:
RB Donavan Henderson - Manchester
WR Noah Thomas - Rose-Hulman
DT Corey Vincent - Rose-Hulman
S Antonio Crossty - Bluffton

The HCAC was blanked on the All-American lists.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 23, 2019, 02:59:31 PM
Okay, FCGrizzliesGrad and GRIZZ_BACKER:

What do you guys think about FC's new football head coach selection?  Do you think he will he keep most, if not all, of the current staff?

BTW, Merry Christmas to you and all the HCAC posters here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 23, 2019, 07:09:02 PM
http://franklingrizzlies.com/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191223gjt5ft
Well, he has spent a number of years as an assistant under Lance Leopold at UWW and Buffalo so hopefully some of that success has rubbed off on him.
As far as the staff... no news yet. Nothing else is different on the coaches page other than HC. My guess is most of the staff will stay but we'll see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 26, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
cave2bens,
I know it's been a while since you posted here as you have been busy in your relocation. But, check your PM!🙂
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 02, 2020, 02:26:28 PM
A little chatter to pass the time not only during the football offseason but sports/world offseason that's going on right now.

Looks like three non-conference games in the first 4 weeks with a bye week, conference play week 5-11

Non-conference opponents:
Anderson: vs Hope, vs Lake Forest, ? ? ? (also missing the Defiance game which has to be 11/7)
Bluffton: vs Alma, @ St Vincent, ? ? ?
Defiance: @ Albion, vs Alfred St, ? ? ? (also missing the Anderson game which has to be 11/7)
Franklin: vs Illinois Wesleyan, @ Rhodes, @ UW-Platteville
Hanover: @ Centre, @ Adrian, vs Maryville
Manchester: @ Trine, @ Alma, vs Olivet
Mount St Joseph: @ Albion, vs Alfred, vs NC Wesleyan
Rose-Hulman: @ Wabash, vs Trine, @ Benedictine

9 games vs MIAA (only team not playing one is Franklin), SAA 2, USAC 2, CCIW 1, E8 1, ECFC 1, MWC 1, NACC 1, NCAC 1, PAC 1, WIAC 1, with 3 unknowns
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 21, 2020, 03:41:44 PM
cave2bens:

Check your PMs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 21, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
Do any of you Defiance supporters know if they have filled the two remaining games for this potential fall season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 23, 2020, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 21, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
Do any of you Defiance supporters know if they have filled the two remaining games for this potential fall season?
I'm almost positive Anderson on Nov 7 is one of the two that's missing. No idea who the 3rd non-conference game is though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 23, 2020, 04:54:16 PM
One of the missing non-conference games has been revealed... Bluffton will host Eureka in week 4.

9 games vs MIAA (only team not playing one is Franklin), NACC 2, SAA 2, USAC 2, CCIW 1, E8 1, ECFC 1, MWC 1, NCAC 1, PAC 1, WIAC 1, with 2 unknowns
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spartan27 on April 26, 2020, 08:48:47 AM
Progress video of a few weeks ago on new Manchester stadium.  View at the end shows relationship to old field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZAE_KT8XZo&fbclid=IwAR1xhZvpQYCzl18Ub_gHuBI4Wxv7QpLMoyvlqF--TnzSy9h8BdK0LKoKk5
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2020, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 23, 2020, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 21, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
Do any of you Defiance supporters know if they have filled the two remaining games for this potential fall season?
I'm almost positive Anderson on Nov 7 is one of the two that's missing. No idea who the 3rd non-conference game is though.
Doesn't look like there are many options left for them to get their 10th game, so hopefully, they'll figure that out soon they make it a home game. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 28, 2020, 12:14:00 PM
Earlham is cutting more sports (https://goearlham.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200527pu31xb)... football was halted a couple years ago, now tennis and golf will be as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jayhawkdaddy on June 12, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
Defiance Schedule             Anderson Schedule
S5  vs Capital                   S5 vs Hope
S12@ Albion                     S12@ Carroll
S26vs Alfred State            S19vs Lake Forest
O3 @ Rose-Hulman           O3 vs Hanover       
O10vs Manchester            O10@ Bluffton
O17vs Hanover                 O17vs Rose-Hulman
O24@ MSJU                     O24@ Franklin
O31@ Franklin                 O31vs MSJU
N7 vs Anderson                N7 @ Defiance
N14@ Bluffton                  N14vs Manchester
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 23, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: jayhawkdaddy on June 12, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
Defiance Schedule             Anderson Schedule
S5  vs Capital                   S5 vs Hope
S12@ Albion                     S12@ Carroll
S26vs Alfred State            S19vs Lake Forest
O3 @ Rose-Hulman           O3 vs Hanover       
O10vs Manchester            O10@ Bluffton
O17vs Hanover                 O17vs Rose-Hulman
O24@ MSJU                     O24@ Franklin
O31@ Franklin                 O31vs MSJU
N7 vs Anderson                N7 @ Defiance
N14@ Bluffton                  N14vs Manchester

Great share, jayhawkdaddy!  Picking up Capital looks like a good match as both teams have not had a winning since in some time.  Do you know if this is multiple year agreement?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 23, 2020, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on June 23, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: jayhawkdaddy on June 12, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
Defiance Schedule             Anderson Schedule
S5  vs Capital                   S5 vs Hope
S12@ Albion                     S12@ Carroll
S26vs Alfred State            S19vs Lake Forest
O3 @ Rose-Hulman           O3 vs Hanover       
O10vs Manchester            O10@ Bluffton
O17vs Hanover                 O17vs Rose-Hulman
O24@ MSJU                     O24@ Franklin
O31@ Franklin                 O31vs MSJU
N7 vs Anderson                N7 @ Defiance
N14@ Bluffton                  N14vs Manchester

Great share, jayhawkdaddy!  Picking up Capital looks like a good match as both teams have not had a winning since in some time.  Do you know if this is multiple year agreement?

Unfortunately, there is a highly likely chance that the Hope/Anderson game will not happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 15, 2020, 12:52:03 PM
Interview with commissioner Jay Jones: https://heartlandconf.org/general/2019-20/releases/20200715ikrzqn (https://heartlandconf.org/general/2019-20/releases/20200715ikrzqn)

QuoteWhere does the status of fall sports stand right now? Is there a timetable that the HCAC is currently following?
Jones Answer:

Right now, we have developed a phased start date approach for our fall sports, with all of them set to start in early to mid-September.   These dates are based on the contact risk rate in each sport and the medical advice we are following.

·         Men's and women's tennis, men's and women's golf, and men's and women's cross country – No earlier than September 1

·         Women's volleyball, men's soccer, and women's soccer – No earlier than September 7

·         Football – No earlier than September 12

We are aware that the NCAA is planning to release new directives.  It appears everyone will receive those in the middle of next week.  We are anxious to receive those updated guidelines and see how they fit our current protocols and what adjustments our staffs will need to make. 
Based on this it's looking like Week 1 (Sept 5) is cancelled. The only game I believe that hasn't been cancelled yet is Hanover-Centre.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 27, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
https://heartlandconf.org/general/2019-20/releases/20200727clf44r (https://heartlandconf.org/general/2019-20/releases/20200727clf44r)

High risk sports (including football) are moved to spring, others will still continue as normal.

QuoteAfter extensive deliberations, the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference (HCAC) Council of Presidents has unanimously voted to modify the timing of conference competition and championships for fall sports classified by the NCAA as high contact risk (football, men's and women's soccer, women's volleyball). The Conference will move the start of those sports' competitive seasons to the spring. The HCAC is committed to offering engaging athletic experiences for student athletes in these sports with extensive team activities this fall followed by spring competitive seasons.

QuoteBased on their risk classifications as assigned by the NCAA, the HCAC will progress forward with fall seasons in the sports of golf, tennis and cross country.  The Conference will also schedule some competitions for the sports of baseball and softball in the fall that will not count toward league standings. 

A decision on the timing of basketball season (defined as high contact risk sport by the NCAA) will be made in the near future. Swimming and diving is classified as a low contact risk sport and will continue forward with its standard schedule.  The sports of indoor and outdoor track and field, men's lacrosse and women's lacrosse have also not been altered at this time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 29, 2020, 04:33:51 PM
HCAC branding will be getting a new look on August 3. Can't wait to see it as currently I think it's very plain.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 03, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
New conference look has been released https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/ (https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/)

Blue, green, and gray colors instead of the maroon of old.
Two logos, primary saying 'Heartland' and secondary saying 'HCAC'
School specific versions of the logos
Each sport has their own versions as well

(https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/images/a8c908a4-84e4-4460-a385-4e55aadd5425.jpg?asset_id=935a3d65-ba9b-4647-b44a-9e7f815bfda9&img_etag=%22a13fc37dc8ac01e28a4650aed15e1f44%22&size=2560)
QuoteThe two words forming the league's moniker served as inspiration for the brand narrative:

HEART – The word 'Heart' is underlined to emphasize the competitive spirit and unified community of the HCAC. This positive bond of community felt within the conference was referenced universally throughout the process. Unity, sportsmanship and a sense of family was concurrent in the feedback from student-athletes, administrators and other conference stakeholders. Passion and commitment were also identified as key league values.

LAND – The land is represented visually in the logo with three rows of abstract farmland. This element showcases the geographical link of the 10 member campuses while also highlighting the conference's membership in NCAA Division III.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 03, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
Looks good.  Dig the school and sport specific variations also.  Well done. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 03, 2020, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 03, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
Looks good.  Dig the school and sport specific variations also.  Well done.

I like these a lot.  And very smart to handle all the variations with the roll out to insure everything is clean and consistent across the schools and sports.  The project was clearly handled very professionally. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 15, 2020, 01:21:41 PM
Spring schedule has been released... 7 conference games starting Feb 27th with the potential for a post-season game.
QuoteAn extra date will be held April 17 for a potential bowl game or regional championship game against another conference, with details later should that game take place. The HCAC championship will be awarded to the team with the best record in this 7-game schedule. Spring season practices will begin no earlier than February 1 and start times for all contests will be announced at a later date.
I believe Bluffton and Manchester still set to play both Trine and Adrian in October
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
So the HCAC is going to have kids use up a year of eligibility? And play eight games in the spring and also come back in the fall and potentially play a full fall 2021 schedule?

That ... would make them an outlier at the moment, let's put it that way.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 15, 2020, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 03, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
Looks good.  Dig the school and sport specific variations also.  Well done.

Realize I am couple weeks old on this but yes, love the variations. Last year with all the 150 patches, bugged me that they were all the same no matter what colors the school was.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BLynn on September 22, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
So the HCAC is going to have kids use up a year of eligibility? And play eight games in the spring and also come back in the fall and potentially play a full fall 2021 schedule?

That ... would make them an outlier at the moment, let's put it that way.

Pat, I'm lost.  How does playing a spring schedule lose the HCAC players a year of eligibility?  I though NCAA had approved no eligibility loss for the 2020 season even if it was played in spring of 2021?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2020, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: BLynn on September 22, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
So the HCAC is going to have kids use up a year of eligibility? And play eight games in the spring and also come back in the fall and potentially play a full fall 2021 schedule?

That ... would make them an outlier at the moment, let's put it that way.

Pat, I'm lost.  How does playing a spring schedule lose the HCAC players a year of eligibility?  I though NCAA had approved no eligibility loss for the 2020 season even if it was played in spring of 2021?

No eligibility loss *if* you play half of a normal schedule (five games) or fewer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2020, 07:48:54 PM
My question is what good would saving a year of eligibility do? If they're on campus they're probably still graduating in 4 years and moving on so they end up graduating with a year of eligibility left. If they're taking the year away from school they should still be able to get their 4 years of playing in.
Certainly every school and conference is different and some places it might be more useful, but I don't see much benefit in this particular situation to preserving eligibility.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 23, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2020, 07:48:54 PM
My question is what good would saving a year of eligibility do? If they're on campus they're probably still graduating in 4 years and moving on so they end up graduating with a year of eligibility left. If they're taking the year away from school they should still be able to get their 4 years of playing in.
Certainly every school and conference is different and some places it might be more useful, but I don't see much benefit in this particular situation to preserving eligibility.

This was pretty much my question too, but then I saw that article mentioned on the CCIW board that all but 2 of the current seniors from NCC are going to come back and play next year.  I was shocked by that.  I would have guessed less than half came back, but I guess I'm way off.  Most D3 schools aren't cheap.  I can't believe the NCC scenario would be the norm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2020, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 23, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 22, 2020, 07:48:54 PM
My question is what good would saving a year of eligibility do? If they're on campus they're probably still graduating in 4 years and moving on so they end up graduating with a year of eligibility left. If they're taking the year away from school they should still be able to get their 4 years of playing in.
Certainly every school and conference is different and some places it might be more useful, but I don't see much benefit in this particular situation to preserving eligibility.

This was pretty much my question too, but then I saw that article mentioned on the CCIW board that all but 2 of the current seniors from NCC are going to come back and play next year.  I was shocked by that.  I would have guessed less than half came back, but I guess I'm way off.  Most D3 schools aren't cheap.  I can't believe the NCC scenario would be the norm.

Nobody says those students have to be enrolled this fall.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on September 24, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Hello all!

Usually I post items about WashU games that I have or will broadcast, or about general observations from other games and events.  However, this post regards a topic that is quite a bit different--with the athletic shoe being on the broadcaster's foot.

I am going to attempt to cover 100 miles in a solo charity ultramarathon through an event that I have organized.  "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" will be conducted in the subdivision where I live in St. Charles, MO, to raise awareness and research funds for Rett syndrome.  I get started at 9 a.m. Central on Saturday, October 3 and end at 5 p.m. Sunday, October 4.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

If you would like to make a donation to the cause, here is the link to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 02:16:12 AM
First game of the season for the HCAC is here and as has been the case for several years it's Manchester-Trine.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 01:12:17 PM
Manchester offense with a 3 and out to open the game... Trine drives down but a good goal line stand holds the Thunder to just 3.
The play clock is really weird... sometimes counts by 1 second, sometimes as much as 5... it's all over the place. 22... 20... 17... 12... 10... 7... 6...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 01:12:17 PM
Manchester offense with a 3 and out to open the game... Trine drives down but a good goal line stand holds the Thunder to just 3.
The play clock is really weird... sometimes counts by 1 second, sometimes as much as 5... it's all over the place. 22... 20... 17... 12... 10... 7... 6...

Where to watch: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2020/10/trine-manchester-broadcast

Seems like a function of the interface that they would be using to get the stadium scoreboard onto the broadcast. The broadcast position is all the way across the field from where the scoreboard equipment is and so they would be transmitting it wirelessly ... plus the broadcast computer has to be capable of processing all that data, and maybe it's not.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 01:12:17 PM
Manchester offense with a 3 and out to open the game... Trine drives down but a good goal line stand holds the Thunder to just 3.
The play clock is really weird... sometimes counts by 1 second, sometimes as much as 5... it's all over the place. 22... 20... 17... 12... 10... 7... 6...

Where to watch: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2020/10/trine-manchester-broadcast

Seems like a function of the interface that they would be using to get the stadium scoreboard onto the broadcast. The broadcast position is all the way across the field from where the scoreboard equipment is and so they would be transmitting it wirelessly ... plus the broadcast computer has to be capable of processing all that data, and maybe it's not.
It wasn't the broadcast, it was the clock at the back of the end zone. Looks like they might have turned them off now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2020, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 01:12:17 PM
Manchester offense with a 3 and out to open the game... Trine drives down but a good goal line stand holds the Thunder to just 3.
The play clock is really weird... sometimes counts by 1 second, sometimes as much as 5... it's all over the place. 22... 20... 17... 12... 10... 7... 6...

Where to watch: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2020/10/trine-manchester-broadcast

Seems like a function of the interface that they would be using to get the stadium scoreboard onto the broadcast. The broadcast position is all the way across the field from where the scoreboard equipment is and so they would be transmitting it wirelessly ... plus the broadcast computer has to be capable of processing all that data, and maybe it's not.
It wasn't the broadcast, it was the clock at the back of the end zone. Looks like they might have turned them off now.

Ahh, OK.

Those are also often run wirelessly these days.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 02:21:04 PM
Spartans down 20-0 at halftime... offense has been a little bit anemic, defense has been pretty solid down near the goal line but they're down there too much. Unless something changes it looks like a 6th straight loss and 13 in the last 14 years against Trine.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
Manchester loses to Trine 37-0. HCAC off to it's usual non-conference start ::)

Next week we get a doubleheader when Bluffton heads to Trine at 1pm while Manchester hosts Adrian for an evening game at 6pm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 16, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
...
Next week we get a doubleheader when Bluffton heads to Trine at 1pm while Manchester hosts Adrian for an evening game at 6pm.

Bluffton @ Trine is cancelled, because of Ohio's travel advisory (https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/families-and-individuals/COVID-19-Travel-Advisory/): "Those entering Ohio after travel to states reporting positive testing rates of 15% or higher for COVID-19 are advised to self-quarantine for 14 days." (Indiana currently has a 16% positivity rate, while Ohio is shown at 4% on the linked map.)

Adrian @ Manchester is still listed to go on as scheduled on Saturday; I assume Michigan (4%) has no similar advisory. As things stand right now, Bluffton will host Adrian next weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2021, 08:21:10 PM
After being pushed back months, and then a further week, it's finally here... game week. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 01, 2021, 06:29:09 PM
Preseason Poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/2/19/spring-2021-football-preseason-poll.aspx) is out

1) Hanover                  62
2) Rose-Hulman         54
3) Mount St. Joseph   50
4) Franklin                  40
5) Bluffton                  30
6) Manchester            25
7) Anderson               16
8) Defiance                11
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on March 08, 2021, 08:41:19 PM
The Hanover - Mt St Joseph meeting was apparently conducted as a scrimmage. I haven't been able to find an explanation. Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 08, 2021, 09:50:47 PM
I have no idea. Conference was supposed to start a week earlier but those games were pushed back to the end of the season. Everyone else played games this weekend so no idea why Panthers-Lions was a scrimmage.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2021, 09:51:11 PM
No idea here, and the conference website had it as a game all day Saturday, so apparently nobody told the conference either?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 09, 2021, 12:07:07 PM
MSJ football twitter posted (https://twitter.com/MSJ_FB/status/1368226809637203973) Saturday morning
QuoteScrimmage vs @HanoverFTBL this afternoon! Our guys are Excited for the opportunity to compete!
which Hanover responded (https://twitter.com/HanoverFTBL/status/1368227120237907969) to soon after. That's the only mention of it I could see. So apparently they went in that morning knowing it was a scrimmage not a game. :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2021, 09:10:48 PM
Some sad news to report. Some of you remember cave2bens who posted on here fairly regularly over the years until about just over a year ago. I am sad to report that I just found out the other day that he passed away in late January this year after losing his courageous battle with cancer. He was a good and honest man and his posts here on the various boards were respectful and insightful, often laced with a little levity, which we all need occasionally. My thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family. He will be missed here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on March 15, 2021, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 14, 2021, 09:10:48 PM
Some sad news to report. Some of you remember cave2bens who posted on here fairly regularly over the years until about just over a year ago. I am sad to report that I just found out the other day that he passed away in late January this year after losing his courageous battle with cancer. He was a good and honest man and his posts here on the various boards were respectful and insightful, often laced with a little levity, which we all need occasionally. My thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family. He will be missed here.

Sad to hear that, I always enjoyed his posts. Thank you for letting us know.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 15, 2021, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on March 15, 2021, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 14, 2021, 09:10:48 PM
Some sad news to report. Some of you remember cave2bens who posted on here fairly regularly over the years until about just over a year ago. I am sad to report that I just found out the other day that he passed away in late January this year after losing his courageous battle with cancer. He was a good and honest man and his posts here on the various boards were respectful and insightful, often laced with a little levity, which we all need occasionally. My thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family. He will be missed here.

Sad to hear that, I always enjoyed his posts. Thank you for letting us know.

I concur with these sentiments.  Does anyone know the origin or meaning of the post-name "cave2bens"?  That's one of those posting names that most intrigued me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on March 16, 2021, 04:54:59 PM
Thank you for sharing, Doc, and I'm saddened to hear that news.  Cave was a wonderful contributor to this board- staying connected here while living for quite some time in faraway lands like Botswana and Atlanta.  I was always happy to get a check in from Cave in my offline messages.  Always pleasant, always thoughtful; he'll be missed for sure. 

Ypsi, while I don't know exactly the provenance of Bob's screen name, I've always read it as a reference to his connection to Wabash, where we are sometimes known as cavemen (that unofficial nickname was much more prevalent in his time at the College than mine).   

I'll raise a glass of TWR to honor our friend.  Here's to a real one!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 11, 2021, 04:49:48 PM
It's been several years since I have posted but I remember an exchange I had with Cave2Bens right after he first started posting where he told me where the name came from.  I searched my email but it It looks like those older messages I lost a few years back when I lost my hard drive.  if i remember correctly when he went to defiance there was a Bar there named Bens and when they decided to go out they would end up caving in and going to bens or something like that.  He was a great guy and definitely lived a cool life.


I've watched all of defiances games this year and the are starting to improve and have some real talent.  this spring should be huge for their development as their big issue has been consistency which is what you get with a young team.  they have a couple rbs that can play with a speed back and a 5'10" 275lb power back who is really fun to watch.  i predict some big movement for them going into the fall especially if the SRs return.  will be interesting to see how the matchup with franklin this week if they are healthy.  they gave away the game vs bluffton, big learning experience.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 09, 2021, 02:07:55 AM
With schedules being posted here's the non-conference games

Anderson: @ Hope, @ Alma, ??
Bluffton: @ Alma, vs St Vincent, @ Kalamazoo
Defiance: @ Capital, vs Albion, vs Alfred St
Franklin: @ Illinois Wesleyan, vs Rhodes, vs UW-Platteville
Hanover: @ Centre, vs Adrian, @ Albion
Manchester: vs Trine, vs Alma, @ Olivet
Mount St Joseph: vs Albion, @ Alfred, @ Trine
Rose-Hulman: vs Wabash, @ Trine, @ Hope

MIAA has 14, SAA has 2, CCIW, E8, ECFC, NCAC, OAC, PAC, WIAC all with 1.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on June 09, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 09, 2021, 02:07:55 AM
With schedules being posted here's the non-conference games

Anderson: @ Hope, @ Alma, ??
Bluffton: @ Alma, vs St Vincent, @ Kalamazoo
Defiance: @ Capital, vs Albion, vs Alfred St
Franklin: @ Illinois Wesleyan, vs Rhodes, vs UW-Platteville
Hanover: @ Centre, vs Adrian, @ Albion
Manchester: vs Trine, vs Alma, @ Olivet
Mount St Joseph: vs Albion, @ Alfred, @ Trine
Rose-Hulman: vs Wabash, @ Trine, @ Hope

MIAA has 14, SAA has 2, CCIW, E8, ECFC, NCAC, OAC, PAC, WIAC all with 1.

Any room for a NJAC team on the 18th of September of 9th of October? Asking for a friend  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 10, 2021, 12:51:13 AM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on June 09, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 09, 2021, 02:07:55 AM
With schedules being posted here's the non-conference games

Anderson: @ Hope, @ Alma, ??
Bluffton: @ Alma, vs St Vincent, @ Kalamazoo
Defiance: @ Capital, vs Albion, vs Alfred St
Franklin: @ Illinois Wesleyan, vs Rhodes, vs UW-Platteville
Hanover: @ Centre, vs Adrian, @ Albion
Manchester: vs Trine, vs Alma, @ Olivet
Mount St Joseph: vs Albion, @ Alfred, @ Trine
Rose-Hulman: vs Wabash, @ Trine, @ Hope

MIAA has 14, SAA has 2, CCIW, E8, ECFC, NCAC, OAC, PAC, WIAC all with 1.

Any room for a NJAC team on the 18th of September of 9th of October? Asking for a friend  ;)
The friend will be disappointed. The only non-announced game (Anderson) won't be either of those dates.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jayhawkdaddy on June 10, 2021, 04:20:27 PM
According to the Lakeland University page they will be at Anderson University on Sept 11.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 10, 2021, 08:13:12 PM
I was hoping it'd be an NACC team... didn't have any of them scheduled yet. That means 10 different conferences faced in non-conference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 17, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
This is neat: https://www.hanover.edu/about/news/2021/gaining-ground-mya-urba-2024/?fbclid=IwAR0mfA78mazyDrkXRjiHArELo73CVqOEeIj6DZBLFbj7mxKgmnvdeO1ny80
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2021, 06:21:23 PM
Coaches poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/8/23/hanover-picked-to-repeat-in-2021-hcac-football-preseason-poll.aspx) is out


1.   Hanover (7)                 63
2.   Mount St. Joseph (1)   53
3.   Rose-Hulman              49
4.   Franklin                       41
5.   Bluffton                       32
6.   Defiance                      19
6.   Anderson                     19
8.   Manchester                  12
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 07:50:19 AM
Double header tonight to kick the season off... Defiance at Capital at 6pm then Manchester hosting Trine at 7. Will this be the year the HCAC breaks their streak and has a winning non-conference record?

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: ??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 02, 2021, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 07:50:19 AM
Double header tonight to kick the season off... Defiance at Capital at 6pm then Manchester hosting Trine at 7. Will this be the year the HCAC breaks their streak and has a winning non-conference record?

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: ??

So what you are telling me, it's all Earlham's fault.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 02, 2021, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 07:50:19 AM
Double header tonight to kick the season off... Defiance at Capital at 6pm then Manchester hosting Trine at 7. Will this be the year the HCAC breaks their streak and has a winning non-conference record?

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: ??

So what you are telling me, it's all Earlham's fault.
Mostly... but there was 2013 when Earlham beat Kenyon to keep the conference from going 0fer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 10:32:46 PM
Outscored a combined 93-21... HCAC already back in normal form. :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 83LittleGiant on September 03, 2021, 02:00:10 PM
For any Rose-Hulman fans or Heartland people interested in the Wabash/Rose-Hulman game, here are the Wabash game notes.

Looks like it is going to be a wet track on Saturday night.  Given the general lack of knowledge about either team, I am looking forward to seeing the 2021 version of both teams.

https://sports.wabash.edu/news/2021/9/3/wabash-begins-134th-football-season-at-rose-hulman.aspx (https://sports.wabash.edu/news/2021/9/3/wabash-begins-134th-football-season-at-rose-hulman.aspx)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 03, 2021, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 10:32:46 PM
Outscored a combined 93-21... HCAC already back in normal form. :(

I don't know anything about Defiance football, but I do know where Cap is at currently so losing 41-7 to them doesn't bode well for the Jackets.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 04, 2021, 07:25:43 PM
Ok.. step one accomplished... get a single win. Took 6 tries to do it but the HCAC is in the win column with Franklin's win over Illinois Wesleyan. Still two more games (which should both be very competitive) this evening to try and get another.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2021, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 03, 2021, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 10:32:46 PM
Outscored a combined 93-21... HCAC already back in normal form. :(

I don't know anything about Defiance football, but I do know where Cap is at currently so losing 41-7 to them doesn't bode well for the Jackets.

Based upon the team stats, having 6 turnovers, five coming in the first half, to 1, and 8 penalities to 0, DC has a lot of cleaning up to do for their game.  Also, having a head coaching change two weeks before your first game does not help either. 
I know Albion brings a better team than what DC just faced, but I expect to see improvement as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2021, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2021, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 03, 2021, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2021, 10:32:46 PM
Outscored a combined 93-21... HCAC already back in normal form. :(

I don't know anything about Defiance football, but I do know where Cap is at currently so losing 41-7 to them doesn't bode well for the Jackets.

Based upon the team stats, having 6 turnovers, five coming in the first half, to 1, and 8 penalities to 0, DC has a lot of cleaning up to do for their game.  Also, having a head coaching change two weeks before your first game does not help either. 
I know Albion brings a better team than what DC just faced, but I expect to see improvement as the season progresses.

So what was the situation that resulted in Matsakis leaving Defiance as head coach? Did he decide to leave on his own or was it something else? No information is listed on their athletic website. Certainly, Defiance has been in a difficult and serious situation during the past several years and, from the outside, it doesn't look good. They are down to mid 400s in overall enrollment it appears.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 07, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not educated on how many teams they sponsor, but if they have mid 400's in enrollment that means that almost every kid there plays a sport, right?  I know they have baseball so just between football and baseball alone that would be a large chunk of the enrollment I'd think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 07, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not educated on how many teams they sponsor, but if they have mid 400's in enrollment that means that almost every kid there plays a sport, right?  I know they have baseball so just between football and baseball alone that would be a large chunk of the enrollment I'd think.
On their site they have Baseball/Softball, M/W Basketball, M/W Cross Country, Football, M/W Golf, M/W Soccer, M/W Tennis, M/W Track & Field, W Volleyball, M Wrestling, Co-ed Cheer/Dance, and Co-ed Esports
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 07, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not educated on how many teams they sponsor, but if they have mid 400's in enrollment that means that almost every kid there plays a sport, right?  I know they have baseball so just between football and baseball alone that would be a large chunk of the enrollment I'd think.
On their site they have Baseball/Softball, M/W Basketball, M/W Cross Country, Football, M/W Golf, M/W Soccer, M/W Tennis, M/W Track & Field, W Volleyball, M Wrestling, Co-ed Cheer/Dance, and Co-ed Esports

As of their last filing with the U.S. Department of Education, Defiance listed 461 full-time undergraduates, 294 of whom participated in athletics. Cheer/dance and Esports are not tracked in these reports.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 07, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not educated on how many teams they sponsor, but if they have mid 400's in enrollment that means that almost every kid there plays a sport, right?  I know they have baseball so just between football and baseball alone that would be a large chunk of the enrollment I'd think.
On their site they have Baseball/Softball, M/W Basketball, M/W Cross Country, Football, M/W Golf, M/W Soccer, M/W Tennis, M/W Track & Field, W Volleyball, M Wrestling, Co-ed Cheer/Dance, and Co-ed Esports

As of their last filing with the U.S. Department of Education, Defiance listed 461 full-time undergraduates, 294 of whom participated in athletics. Cheer/dance and Esports are not tracked in these reports.

Pat, do you know why the former coach left suddenly and/or where he went? Just curious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2021, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 08, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 07, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not educated on how many teams they sponsor, but if they have mid 400's in enrollment that means that almost every kid there plays a sport, right?  I know they have baseball so just between football and baseball alone that would be a large chunk of the enrollment I'd think.
On their site they have Baseball/Softball, M/W Basketball, M/W Cross Country, Football, M/W Golf, M/W Soccer, M/W Tennis, M/W Track & Field, W Volleyball, M Wrestling, Co-ed Cheer/Dance, and Co-ed Esports

As of their last filing with the U.S. Department of Education, Defiance listed 461 full-time undergraduates, 294 of whom participated in athletics. Cheer/dance and Esports are not tracked in these reports.

Pat, do you know why the former coach left suddenly and/or where he went? Just curious.

Based upon the knowledge I received from a DC alumni Facebook group, he allegedly put his hands on a player.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 08, 2021, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 08, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 07, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not educated on how many teams they sponsor, but if they have mid 400's in enrollment that means that almost every kid there plays a sport, right?  I know they have baseball so just between football and baseball alone that would be a large chunk of the enrollment I'd think.
On their site they have Baseball/Softball, M/W Basketball, M/W Cross Country, Football, M/W Golf, M/W Soccer, M/W Tennis, M/W Track & Field, W Volleyball, M Wrestling, Co-ed Cheer/Dance, and Co-ed Esports

As of their last filing with the U.S. Department of Education, Defiance listed 461 full-time undergraduates, 294 of whom participated in athletics. Cheer/dance and Esports are not tracked in these reports.

Pat, do you know why the former coach left suddenly and/or where he went? Just curious.

Based upon the knowledge I received from a DC alumni Facebook group, he allegedly put his hands on a player.

Thanks, dc. If that is what happened, it is unfortunate for those involved, both the player and the coach. Without knowing details, it is also difficult to assess. Yet, I'm surprised there was no official statement, even if brief, by the college administration. Strange.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on September 08, 2021, 01:44:21 PM

formerd3db

Hi Doc

I know you guys are discussing something else but I wanted to give a shout out to The Flying Dutchmen of Hope College. Nice way to start the season.
I'm sure you're pleased. Go Hope!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2021, 03:17:14 PM
Hello MUC,
Check your PMs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Agreed, which has made a lot of the alumni upset.  There definitely needs to be more transparency to what is going on. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2021, 04:42:21 AM
So after a 1-7 opening week we're back for week 2... will things go better?

Franklin with a solid chance to get to 2-0 against Rhodes.
Hanover should be favored to beat Adrian.
Rose should have a competitive game against Trine. Could go either way.
MSJ is the underdog against Alfred but not unthinkable they could upset.
Bluffton similar to MSJ but have the advantage of playing last week which St Vincent didn't.
Manchester would need a big upset to beat Alma
Anderson not much of a chance against Lakeland
Defiance just trying not to be embarassed against Albion.

Best case maybe a 4-4 week... worst case 0-8... likely probably only 1 or 2 wins.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2021, 03:02:54 PM
MSJ with a dominant win over Alfred 33-14. They led 33-0 early in the 4th before a couple late scores from Alfred.

Hanover tied with Adrian 7-7 at the half
Franklin down 22-21 at halftime to Rhodes.
Anderson only down 21-17 late in the 1st half to Lakeland.
Bluffton down 21-7 at halftime to St Vincent.
Defiance down 22-0 at halftime to Albion

Alma-Manchester at 6pm
Rose-Trine at 7pm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2021, 04:30:16 PM
Hanover with a TD in the final minute to win 21-14
Franklin with a late stop to win 36-29 (which in the NFL would be scorigami (https://nflscorigami.com/))
Defiance loses 51-0
Bluffton down 34-14 late in the 4th
Anderson down 48-25 early 4th
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 12, 2021, 07:20:52 AM
Rose edges Trine 31-30 while Manchester was competitive if not for a 3 minute stretch in the 3rd quarter where they gave up 4 TD and lost 47-23.
In my preview I said 4 wins would be the best case and that's just what the conference did.

Franklin has started 2-0 for the first time since 2008 when they ultimately made the quarterfinals. Going to be tough to go 3-0 with Platteville visiting next week though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2021, 07:02:30 PM
I see the boards have been realigned into the new 6 regions... but the HCAC should be in the Region 4 boards not 5
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 12:05:45 PM
3rd and final non-conference games today... can we improve on last week's 4-4 effort?

Defiance is guaranteed not to lose as they have their bye week. Next week they'll be the lone game as everyone else takes their bye.
MSJ coming off a strong win at Alfred heads to Trine. Good chance to see where they stand as Rose edged the Thunder by 1 last week.
Rose has their third tough opponent at Hope. Another underdog but still a winnable game.
Bluffton is the underdog but not a huge one at Kalamazoo. Chance for the Beavers to get in the win column.
Hanover with a tough game at Albion. I'd expect the Panthers to lose but they could upset with a great game.
2-0 vs 0-2 not a surprise but Franklin being the unbeaten and Platteville winless is. Grizzlies defense needs to step up if they want any chance to win. Going to be a tough ask to get to 3-0.
Manchester not likely to fare much better against their 3rd MIAA opponent at Olivet.
Anderson will struggle at home against Alma who has already beaten Manchester and Bluffton.

Worst case, 0-7. Best case 3-4. I'll predict 2-5.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 02:12:57 PM
MSJ doing well up 21-10 late 2nd
Hanover hanging in there, down 10-7 in the 3rd.
Bluffton being shutout 17-0 late 2nd
Manchester getting blown out 35-0 late 2nd
Franklin down 7-0 late 1st. Currently in an extended medical timeout for injured Platteville WR Allender

Franklin D has mostly held when they need to but are giving up too much yardage and 3rd down conversions. Offense gets a play here and there but can't seem to put anything together.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
Just have to complain a bit and things turn around... a tipped ball that still ends up complete and 2 plays later a 48 yard pass for the Grizzlies TD.

Rose-Hulman underway at Hope and down 7-0
Manchester has given up a couple more TD before halftime, 0-49 now :-\
no change in the other three games with Bluffton and MSJ now at half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 02:36:02 PM
Olivet scored 24 points in the final 5 minutes of the half and lead Manchester 52-0 at halftime. ???

Franklin took the lead 14-7 but a big return on the kickoff started Platteville in Grizzly territory. Stopped another 4th down inside the 20 and Grizzlies keep the 7 point lead.

Hanover down 24-14 with 3 1/2 minutes left.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 03:00:00 PM
Hanover loses 24-14.

Bluffton on the board, down 17-7 in the 3rd
MSJ has given up a score, lead 21-17 in the 3rd.
Platteville with a 50 yard FG which hit the upright and wasn't entirely clear if it went through or not but it counts so Franklin leads 14-10 at the half and get the ball to start the 2nd.
Rose down 14-0 at halftime.
Manchester still down 52-0 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 03:20:59 PM
Bluffton scores again and are within a FG 14-17 early 4th
MSJ has given up another TD to Trine and are now behind 21-24 early 4th
Franklin quickly move the ball down to start the 3rd quarter but an interception in the end zone stops the drive. Still 14-10.
No change in the other two games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
Platteville scores to take the lead but Franklin blocks the extra point and returns it for 2 points and it's tied 16-16. Exciting stuff at Faught today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
Platteville now leads Franklin 23-19 late in the 3rd.
MSJ and Trine headed to OT tied at 24.
Bluffton down 14-20 with 4 1/2 minutes left and K'Zoo with the ball.
Rose down 6-20 midway through the 3rd
Manchester's misery is almost over, 4 1/2 minutes left down 0-59
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 04:00:29 PM
Franklin with a good stop, get the ball at midfield, immediately have a tipped pass intercepted. Platteville lead 30-19 early 4th

Trine scores first in OT, MSJ answers, goes for 2 and fails. Trine wins 31-30.

Manchester scores in the final minute but fall 59-7.

Rose-Hulman now down 6-27 late in the 3rd.

Bluffton convert on 4th and 4 from the K'Zoo 33 with under a minute left. Score the TD with 30 seconds left and lead 21-20
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 04:04:15 PM
Kalamazoo muffed the kickoff and Bluffton recovers. Beavers win 21-20.
Platteville starting to take control now, 37-19. Franklin has played well for a good chunk of the game but looking like it won't be enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 04:18:03 PM
Pick 6 and Franklin now down 19-44. The game has definitely been closer than the score says. But Platteville has been getting turnovers and scoring off them in the 2nd half.
Rose still down 6-27 mid 4th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 04:44:50 PM
Franklin loses 19-44, great back and forth game for 3 quarters, turnovers made the score a bit one sided at the end.
Rose Hulman made a bit of a comeback but lost 27-20.

Conference is 1-5 so far today with one game (likely loss) left
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2021, 07:44:45 PM
Halftime at Alma and Anderson is down 38-0.
Going to count that as a loss... that makes the HCAC 6-17 in non-conference with just Alfred St @ Defiance next week left.

Are there any high school teams needing to fill a game next year? Maybe someone can put that Bishop Sycamore team on their schedule. Surely the likes of Defiance and Anderson could beat them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2021, 05:15:46 PM
And with Defiance's loss today that ends the non-conference schedule for this year

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: 6-18 (Franklin 2-1; Bluffton, Hanover, MSJ, Rose 1-2)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2021, 06:48:12 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 09, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
Agreed, which has made a lot of the alumni upset.  There definitely needs to be more transparency to what is going on.

Yo Plonk!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 01:41:55 PM
Conference play getting underway. Should be a fairly straightforward day.
Hanover favorites hosting Anderson
Franklin favorites hosting Manchester
Rose favorites at Defiance
MSJ favorites at Bluffton but the best chance if anyone is going to upset
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 02:08:15 PM
Franklin picking up where they left off against Platteville turning the ball over twice in the 1st quarter. Manchester leads 9-7.
Rose all over Defiance 28-0
Hanover leads Anderson 14-2
Bluffton with the early lead on MSJ 7-3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 02:40:19 PM
Manchester was 240th and dead last in D3 for turnovers at -3.67 per game... Franklin was 229th at -2 per game... Manchester is +3 today after 2 fumbles and an interception and lead the Grizzlies 16-7

MSJ has a slight lead on Bluffton 17-14
Rose is cruising 42-0 against Defiance
Hanover up 21-0 against Anderson
All games at halftime
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 03:23:56 PM
Much better starting the 2nd half. Two 3 and outs by Manchester while Franklin with a TD and FG to take a 17-16 lead.

MSJ also starting to get rolling, lead Bluffton 31-14
Hanover still up 21-0
Rose 49-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 03:59:57 PM
Franklin with 17 unanswered to take a 24-16 lead, Grizzlies later fumble for the 3rd time today (it's a wet, grey day) and Manchester responds with a TD and 2pt conversion to tie it at 24 midway through the 4th.

MSJ leads 45-21
Hanover up 49-0
Rose no longer with the shutout 56-14
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 04:15:59 PM
Less than a minute left at Faught Stadium. Still tied at 24 with Manchester punting. Franklin has it at their own 40 with 30 seconds left. Franklin haven't played an OT since the 2017 playoffs at Wartburg.

MSJ beats Bluffton 45-27
Rose-Hulman defeats Defiance 63-14
Hanover shuts out Anderson 49-0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 04:27:12 PM
Free football from Faught. Franklin first. Fourth and forever fails.

Enough alliteration. Any score for Manchester wins
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2021, 04:27:12 PM
Free football from Faught. Franklin first. Fourth and forever fails.

Enough alliteration. Any score for Manchester wins

Manchester kicks a 49 yard FG to beat Franklin 27-24 in OT. Looked like it would have been good from about 54.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 03, 2021, 04:56:06 PM
I have been watching Franklin games for over 40 years and that is the most embarrassing and pathetic loss that I have ever seen!  The defense gives up less than 150 yards in total offense yet Manchester scores 27 points and tacks a loss on the Grizzlies!  A total lack of effort, focus, and discipline by the GRIZ!  FC had almost more yards in penalties than Manchester had on offense.  This type of effort will lead to losing all conference games.  No way we could've beaten Defiance or Anderson today, much less others in the HCAC.     

We need a change at QB for sure, no QB is slower at the RPO mesh than Andrews.  He is way too slow in the RPO, is no threat to run and how many bad INTs can you throw before you set the bench?  Last year, Spencer Wright showed some wheels and he is much quicker at making decisions.  I know Andrews has a better arm but who cares if he continues to make bad decision!

Let's go GRIZ, we are better than this!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 03, 2021, 08:45:50 PM
I've been on these boards a while.  That's one of the few losses I can say is legitimately shocking.  I hope Franklin rights the ship because the HCAC (and whatever the north region is called) needs them to be the normal Griz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 04, 2021, 06:38:42 PM
Franklin has been playing to the opponent's skill level all year. They played up to Platteville (until the 4th quarter) while playing down to Rhodes and Manchester. The obvious issue is turnovers. Franklin is 238th out of 240 in D3 at -2.25 a game only ahead of Defiance -3.25 and Whittier at -3.33. They've turned it over 14 times which is only better than 8 teams (6 of whom have played an extra game). 7 fumbles is only better than 5 teams (4 have played an extra game)

Franklin has shown signs of good play (3rd quarter against Manchester was excellent on both sides of the ball) but can't seem to keep it up for a full game. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Hanover/Rose/MSJ a good game while letting Anderson/Defiance stay in it well into the 2nd half.

Franklin hasn't finished below .500 since 2003... could be in jeopardy this year. If they can beat Defiance and Anderson that means they need 1 more win to get to 5-5. But a performance like this week against Bluffton won't be good enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 04, 2021, 06:38:42 PM
Franklin has been playing to the opponent's skill level all year. They played up to Platteville (until the 4th quarter) while playing down to Rhodes and Manchester. The obvious issue is turnovers. Franklin is 238th out of 240 in D3 at -2.25 a game only ahead of Defiance -3.25 and Whittier at -3.33. They've turned it over 14 times which is only better than 8 teams (6 of whom have played an extra game). 7 fumbles is only better than 5 teams (4 have played an extra game)

Franklin has shown signs of good play (3rd quarter against Manchester was excellent on both sides of the ball) but can't seem to keep it up for a full game. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Hanover/Rose/MSJ a good game while letting Anderson/Defiance stay in it well into the 2nd half.

Franklin hasn't finished below .500 since 2003... could be in jeopardy this year. If they can beat Defiance and Anderson that means they need 1 more win to get to 5-5. But a performance like this week against Bluffton won't be good enough.

As a Titan alum, what scares me is that they played down to IWU. :o

While IWU just whupped Elmhurst 52-3, I fear this may be the worst Titan team in 70-80 years.  (Elmhurst if BEYOND bad.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 09, 2021, 01:34:47 PM
Turnover woes continue for the Grizzlies. 1st play and interception. MSJ up 7-0 less than a minute in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 09, 2021, 02:33:23 PM
Franklin has clawed back a 14-0 deficit to tie it at 14 with 2 minutes left in the half.

Manchester up 16-0 on Defiance
Bluffton leads 18-0 at Anderson
Hanover and Rose are tied at 7 midway through the 1st.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 16, 2021, 11:12:20 PM
Now that's the Franklin we're used to seeing. 45-6 win over Bluffton, +4 in the turnover battle. That's the kind of performance that can beat Rose or Hanover in a few weeks.

Rest of the conference went as expected, MSJ wins the closest game of the day over Manchester 28-0, Hanover beat Defiance 51-0, and Rose over Anderson 62-7.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2021, 01:46:52 PM
Ugh, Anderson's audio is absolutely awful. It's more noise than audio. Every time they speak it's sounds like super loud static. Have to watch on mute. :(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
At least the sound issues have been resolved. Too bad the play hasn't improved... still scoreless about midway through the 2nd. And Franklin with a long TD to take a 7-0 lead

Hanover leads Bluffton 20-0
Rose over Manchester 21-7
MSJ leads Defiance 10-7
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2021, 02:43:27 PM
Halftime in the HCAC. Road teams leading the way today.

Franklin leads at Anderson 10-0
MSJ leads at Defiance 10-7
Hanover leads at Bluffton 20-0
Rose leads at Manchester 35-7 with a few minutes left in the 2nd
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2021, 03:58:06 PM
Rose and Hanover are up big in the 4th, Franklin leads 17-0... but the upset alert... MSJ is losing at Defiance 14-13 with under 8 minutes left
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 23, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
Defiance hands Mount St Joseph their first conference loss while picking up their first win of the season 14-13 :o

Franklin shuts out Anderson 17-0
Hanover over Bluffton 41-10
Rose bests Manchester 57-14

Rose-Hulman is the final unbeaten in conference while Anderson is the only winless.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2021, 06:18:36 PM
Franklin still playing to their competitions level beating Defiance 13-7. Start of the game was good with the teams combining for 200 yards of offense a TD and 2 FG after their first four combined drives. The rest of the game was terrible with 12 punts, 3 turnovers on downs, 2 interceptions, two missed FG, two end of halves, a fumble, a TD, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Rose stays unbeaten in conference with a 48-12 win over Bluffton
Hanover with the shutout 33-0 on Manchester
MSJ bounces back with a 35-18 win over Anderson

The top 4 teams all play each other each of the final two weeks. Maybe there will be enough chaos that even Franklin can somehow pull out the title. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2021, 07:28:24 PM
Went through the combinations for the final two weeks... Franklin is eliminated.
(https://i.imgur.com/EL90mgF.png)

Read the chart by picking a winner for each game then moving to the row below and continuing. At the bottom is wins for each team with those set of winners. Gold wins the conference, grey tied for 1st but lost tiebreaker.
That chaotic 4 way tie, MSJ and Franklin would be 2-1 while Rose and Hanover are 1-2 head to head, I think you then start at the top again and MSJ has the H2H on Franklin.

I count 10 scenarios for Rose, 5 for MSJ, 1 for Hanover.
If Rose beats Franklin and Hanover beats MSJ next week then Rose locks up the playoffs. If Rose beats MSJ in week 11 they're in the playoffs.
If MSJ wins their final two games they're in the playoffs.
Hanover must win their final two and Rose lose their final two to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 06, 2021, 03:42:04 PM
Rose is all over Franklin 38-7 after the 3rd.
MSJ leads Hanover 23-6 with 10 minutes left.
If those two scores hold then MSJ @ Rose is an HCAC title game.

Anderson leads Defiance 28-7 and Bluffton ahead of Manchester 24-0 in the other two games
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2021, 06:03:01 PM
Rose-Hulman is headed to the playoffs with a dominant 58-21 win over Mount St Joseph. The Engineers led 42-7 at halftime. Good luck next week and hopefully they won't be blown out like most years for the HCAC in the playoffs

Franklin regains the Victory Bell for the first time since 2017 with a 27-16 comeback win. Panthers led 10-0 at halftime before the Grizzlies turned on the offense.

Manchester wins the pitchers duel for the Bronze Ball over Anderson 3-0. Ravens won it in the spring for the first time since 2010 but the Spartans didn't let them hold it long. Manchester managed just 182 yards of offense in the win but kicked a 39 yard FG in the 4th quarter for the lone points.

The Hammer stays with Bluffton after a 30-12 win over Defiance. Yellowjackets had cut the lead to 10-6 before the Beavers scored a TD just before halftime. Bluffton pulled away in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 14, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Rose-Hulman avoids being sent as 1st round fodder for a top seed and will make the short trip to Greencastle to take on DePauw. Good luck Engineers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 20, 2021, 02:52:38 PM
Rose hung around and had a chance at the end but lose 26-21 to DePauw to finish the HCAC's season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 08, 2022, 12:53:08 AM
Still months before the season begins but we know a lot of the non-conference matchups. Week 3 is the MIAA-HCAC crossover, week 4 looks like the conference is off

Anderson: TBA (W1), vs DePauw (W2), vs Alma (W3),
Bluffton: @ Kenyon (W1), @ Albion (W2), vs Adrian (W3)
Defiance: @ Mount Union (W1), TBA (W2), vs Kalamazoo (W3),
Franklin: @ Olivet (W1), @ Aurora (W2), vs Trine (W3)
Hanover: vs Centre (W1), @ Adrian (W2), vs Olivet (W3)
Manchester: TBA (W1), @ Alma (W2), @ Greenville (W3)
Mount St Joseph: vs Baldwin Wallace (W1), @ Alfred (W2), vs Hope (W3)
Rose-Hulman: @ DePauw (W1), vs Trine (W2), vs Albion (W3)

The game that stands out (and not in a good way) is Defiance @ Mount Union... Will the Mount starters even finish the 1st quarter?
MIAA: 12, NCAC: 3, OAC: 2, E8: 1, NACC: 1, SAA: 1, UMAC: 1, TBA: 3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 09, 2022, 11:15:19 AM
We still have the traditional matchup against Trine on Thursday to open the season... but this year it's Anderson and not Manchester. The Spartans instead will head to North Park for their opener.

That leaves the only unknown game as Defiance in week 2. Who will their 6th different coach in 8 seasons (2012-15 Sheehan, 16 Goff, 17 Mershman, 18-20 Matsakis, 21 Wilson) have to face coming off an expected drubbing by Mount Union?

MIAA: 13, NCAC: 3, OAC: 2, CCIW: 1, E8: 1, NACC: 1, SAA: 1, UMAC: 1, TBA: 1
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 28, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Defiance has added Alfred State as their TBA game also, Bill Nickell will take over for Wilson as head coach, and he has started to build his staff. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 27, 2022, 02:17:06 PM
Preseason Poll released.

No surprise to see my mighty Jackets at the bottom of the list, but I will keep faith that they will make growth and improve on last season. 

https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/8/16/rose-hulman-voted-to-lead-in-2022-hcac-football-preseason-poll.aspx
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 30, 2022, 03:40:22 PM
Been a long time. Hope everyone is well. Anyone know whether Rose returns a lot of their core players or are they using a bunch of newer players? I would have never thought 10+ years ago they would be as good of a program as they've become.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 01, 2022, 08:17:56 AM
Rose graduated their QB, leading RB and leading WR.  They return their #2 and #3 receivers from last season.  Not sure about defense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HOPEful on September 01, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
Trine is starting the season with bouts against Anderson, Rose, and Franklin. Rose is also hosting Albion in early September and Hope is going down to Cincy to play MSJ. Hanover has Adrian and Olivet on their schedule. Should be some great early games with the best of the MIAA pitted against the best of the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 01, 2022, 09:11:00 PM
With Anderson already down 24-0 at halftime it's time for my annual reminder at how rubbish the conference is in non-conference.

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: 6-18 (Franklin 2-1; Bluffton, Hanover, MSJ, Rose 1-2)


Anderson: likely 0-3
Bluffton: close game week 1 at Kenyon, probably lose other two
Defiance: outside chance vs K'Zoo and at Alfred St
Franklin: underdog in all 3 but could pull one out somewhere
Hanover: at Adrian and vs Olivet are both close games
Manchester: at Greenville is probably their best (but not great) chance of a win
MSJ: at Alfred should be close, other two not so good
Rose: could go 3-0 or 0-3 all their matchups are close

I see up to 7 games being realistic win opportunities for the conference this year, could see a couple other upsets thrown in. Just need to improve on last year's 6-18 record.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 03, 2022, 05:21:26 PM
MSJ was more lucky than good but a win is a win in the first game I've been to in a couple years. BW corner bobbled what should have been a sure fire INT on MSJ's final drive that landed in Beachem's hands for a huge gain to inside BW's 5yd line setting up the go ahead score. That's the first time MSJ has beaten a Jim Hilvert coached team since 2008 or 2009.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 03, 2022, 05:34:55 PM
Franklin had the last place defense last season and this season's defense looked even worse today.  The GRIZ gave up a late TD to lose to Olivet 35-31.  Olivet had at least two other TDs called back due to penalties.  The bright spot was the FC offense which looked very promising.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Crawford on September 03, 2022, 05:42:03 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on September 03, 2022, 05:34:55 PM
Franklin had the last place defense last season and this season's defense looked even worse today.  The GRIZ gave up a late TD to lose to Olivet 35-31.  Olivet had at least two other TDs called back due to penalties.  The bright spot was the FC offense which looked very promising.

Uggh, love a good defensive team.  Was hoping more Indiana teams would win this weekend.  Wabash gave up 48 but still managed to win !  Good D game from Depauw.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 03, 2022, 07:19:13 PM
Hanover game will resume tomorrow at 1pm. Hanover leads Centre 13-10 partway through the 3rd. Lots of time for the Colonels to draw up a 3rd down play.

In other conference news, most of the other games today have been close but mostly losses.
Depauw score at TD with 4 minutes left to beat RHIT 17-14
Bluffton comeback was too little too late, down 26-7 in the first half they pulled within 7 with a minute left but lost 33-26 at Kenyon.
Baldwin Wallace took the lead with under 5 minutes left but MSJ responded with a TD on the next drive and held off the Yellow Jackets 31-28
Franklin had a 10 point lead with 5 minutes left, gave up 2 TD and had a final play from the Olivet 24 to try to win but incomplete and Comets win 35-31

Lastly we have Defiance... time to rant a little. This was what I was afraid of. Mount Union tried to purposefully not score on Defiance for the entire 2nd half. Score says it was 65-0, should have been 91-0. They went 3 for 5 on FG when it was either 1st or 2nd down. To me that's more insulting than just getting the TD, they're saying they're not even trying anymore. This isn't pop warner where it might hurt some little kids feelings, these are college aged adults. If you're worried about blowing out the opponent like that, don't schedule such a cupcake. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2022, 08:09:08 PM
This Mount Union-Defiance game has been on the books for a long time. This was never going to be a competitive game but obviously this year it meant Mount Union is missing out on the great showdowns that other top teams are getting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 03, 2022, 08:40:26 PM
But this wasn't exactly a case of a team was decent when originally scheduled then fell off. At what point was Defiance ever a good game to schedule? They haven't won more than 2 games in a season since 2016, their last winning season was 2010. Scheduling Franklin when they were at the top of the conference and Rose-Hulman when they were fighting for 1st and had won at least 7 games for 5 straight years made sense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2022, 06:12:18 PM
I am not sure who felt it was a good idea to schedule this game for Defiance or Mount Union, but I do recall during my freshman year at DC, we played Mount Union to a similar result that DC had this past weekend.  Fast forward three years later, we were 7-3, and the year after that, winning the HCAC.  Let's hope lightning strikes twice ;D.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 10, 2022, 01:27:17 PM
Week 1 was competitive even if the record doesn't say so. The conference was 2-6 overall with four losses by just 7 or fewer.

This week I see three good games that I'd peg as favorites or narrow underdogs (Rose, MSJ, Hanover), three games likely not too close (Anderson, Manchester, Bluffton), and Franklin is probably a loss but I think close enough an upset isn't completely out of the question.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2022, 02:34:09 AM
Most of the games went about as expected... except Hanover

Anderson lost 55-0 to DePauw, Bluffton lost 51-2 to Albion, and Manchester lost 49-7 to Alma. None of those results were too surprising.
Hanover lost 33-0 to Adrian. It was still close after 3 quarters but Adrian put up 23 points in the 4th. Just 161 yards of offense and 3 turnovers for the Panthers.
Franklin was looking decent early in the 2nd half, drove down the field to start the 3rd quarter but only got a FG to cut the lead to 21-13 then a quick stop on defense. All looking promising... but it went downhill quickly from there. Grizzlies managed just 1 FG the rest of the way while Aurora scored a TD every time they had the ball until they kneeled out the clock. 49-16 final.
On a positive note, MSJ now sits at 2-0 after their 43-37 win against Alfred. I am concerned that their defense might let them down if the offense has an off day. Next week against Hope should be their toughest test yet.
And finally there's RHIT. Leading Trine 23-3 at halftime, they had some QB injuries I believe. Trine managed 2 TD in the final 6 minutes to pull out the 24-23 win.

If healthy I think Rose is still the team to beat, but if not... I'm not very confident in anyone going unbeaten in conference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2022, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 06, 2022, 06:12:18 PM
I am not sure who felt it was a good idea to schedule this game for Defiance or Mount Union, but I do recall during my freshman year at DC, we played Mount Union to a similar result that DC had this past weekend.  Fast forward three years later, we were 7-3, and the year after that, winning the HCAC.  Let's hope lightning strikes twice ;D.

wasn't quite that bad.  that one was only 55-0 and they never tried a FG on first down  ;D but we did get roasted in that game.

No idea why coach Matzakis thought it was a good idea to schedule this 3 years ago when he was losing to Hope 80-0.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 16, 2022, 03:10:39 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 11, 2022, 02:34:09 AM
Most of the games went about as expected... except Hanover

Anderson lost 55-0 to DePauw, Bluffton lost 51-2 to Albion, and Manchester lost 49-7 to Alma. None of those results were too surprising.
Hanover lost 33-0 to Adrian. It was still close after 3 quarters but Adrian put up 23 points in the 4th. Just 161 yards of offense and 3 turnovers for the Panthers.
Franklin was looking decent early in the 2nd half, drove down the field to start the 3rd quarter but only got a FG to cut the lead to 21-13 then a quick stop on defense. All looking promising... but it went downhill quickly from there. Grizzlies managed just 1 FG the rest of the way while Aurora scored a TD every time they had the ball until they kneeled out the clock. 49-16 final.
On a positive note, MSJ now sits at 2-0 after their 43-37 win against Alfred. I am concerned that their defense might let them down if the offense has an off day. Next week against Hope should be their toughest test yet.
And finally there's RHIT. Leading Trine 23-3 at halftime, they had some QB injuries I believe. Trine managed 2 TD in the final 6 minutes to pull out the 24-23 win.

If healthy I think Rose is still the team to beat, but if not... I'm not very confident in anyone going unbeaten in conference play.

My kid goes to RHIT (not a player) and i know Coach Sokol from his days at DC so I watch the RHIT games.  Starting QB looked like he got his leg rolled up and missed the second half no idea what the injury was.  in the second half the offense was much different as the passing game was not the same threat allowing Trine to play the run.  by the end they had all the momentum and the RHIT D was gassed on the field the whole time.  They are a very good team for HCAC and still the team to beat, hopefully the QB injury isnt too bad. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 17, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
MIAA Challenge day... the overall records don't bode well with the MIAA being 13-1 and the HCAC being 3-12. We also have Manchester taking on a UMAC opponent. Non-conference finale before a bye week for everyone but Defiance who will head to Alfred St next week.

Here's my spreads were I still running the HCAC pickem.
Manchester (+2.5) @ Greenville
Albion @ Rose-Hulman (+6.5)
Hope @ Mount St Joseph (+14.5)
Trine @ Franklin (+20.5)
Olivet @ Hanover (+2.5)
Adrian @ Bluffton (+31.5)
Alma @ Anderson (+42.5)
Kalamazoo @ Defiance (+12.5)

While I don't have any team as a favorite, there are a few opportunities to pick up a win. I'll predict a 1-7 week for the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 17, 2022, 10:21:50 PM
Well I was right about going 1-7... wasn't the win I was expecting though. A little rusty on making the spreads... just four of the spreads were within a TD.
MSJ is 3-0, rest of the conference is 1-19 with one game left. :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HOPEful on September 20, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
Posted this on the MIAA board, but I'll leave it hear too...

Hope's slow start and some poorly timed turnovers ended up being their undoing in Cincinnati. Mount St. Joseph and Hope felt very evenly matched. Hope intercepted the Lions in the middle of the first quarter deep in their territory, only to throw it right back to them. What should have been at least 7-3 became 13-0. Which became 19-7 later in the first. Mount St. Joseph's defense looked significantly better than I had given them credit for prior to the game, although it was certainly aided by an anemic Dutchman offense. Hope survived Coe the week before by turning them over 7 times. The turnover ratio Saturday was EVEN (2 for both teams) while Chase Brown was sacked 5 times to Josh Taylor's one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HOPEful on September 20, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
Albion has been just manhandling teams this season. I have no data to back this up, but I gotta think Rose Hulman is the best 0-3 team in D3.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 20, 2022, 01:04:14 PM
HOPEful,
I say kudos to the MIAA overall on how well they have played in nonconference play. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2022, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 20, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
Albion has been just manhandling teams this season. I have no data to back this up, but I gotta think Rose Hulman is the best 0-3 team in D3.
Massey has them as the 3rd best winless and Hansen has them 2nd. I think I agree with them that Redlands is the best winless.
Massey's top 10 (ignoring NESCAC): Redlands, Texas Lutheran, Rose-Hulman, Ohio Wesleyan, McMurry, Brevard, Hanover, Carthage, Maryville, Alfred
Hansen has: Redlands, Rose-Hulman, Maryville, Ohio Wesleyan, Southwestern, Hanover, Texas Lutheran, Carthage, Alfred, Franklin.

When 75% of your conference is winless I guess you get a few teams on this list. ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 21, 2022, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 20, 2022, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 20, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
Albion has been just manhandling teams this season. I have no data to back this up, but I gotta think Rose Hulman is the best 0-3 team in D3.
Massey has them as the 3rd best winless and Hansen has them 2nd. I think I agree with them that Redlands is the best winless.
Massey's top 10 (ignoring NESCAC): Redlands, Texas Lutheran, Rose-Hulman, Ohio Wesleyan, McMurry, Brevard, Hanover, Carthage, Maryville, Alfred
Hansen has: Redlands, Rose-Hulman, Maryville, Ohio Wesleyan, Southwestern, Hanover, Texas Lutheran, Carthage, Alfred, Franklin.

When 75% of your conference is winless I guess you get a few teams on this list. ::)
How is my beloved DC not in the top 10? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 25, 2022, 12:14:11 AM
Defiance was up 19-14 well into the 3rd quarter... then gave up 4 TD in the final 18 minutes to lose 42-33. That brings this year's final non-conference record to... 4-20. That's a whopping .167 batting average. The good news is that's not the worst conference record this year... the bad news is the one conference we're better than is 1-0 against us. The UMAC's 3-25 record includes Greenville's win over Manchester.

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: 6-18 (Franklin 2-1; Bluffton, Hanover, MSJ, Rose 1-2)
2022: 4-20 (MSJ 3-0, Manchester 1-2)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 01, 2022, 10:57:47 AM
Conference play gets underway today. Good news for 3 teams who will get their first win of the season because the six 0-3 teams all play each other. In all four matchups, today's road team has won at least 6 straight and should be favored again today.

My spreads:
Game of the day: Franklin @ Bluffton (+7.5)
Hanover @ Defiance (+28.5)
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson (+40.5)
Mount St Joseph @ Manchester (+35.5)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 08, 2022, 09:34:38 AM
Considering three of my spreads last week were within a FG and the fourth was 11.5 off, might as well keep doing it. Bottom four teams in the conference on the road at the top four teams so don't look for too much excitement today. I can see MSJ taking a little aggression out after Defiance upset them last season for the Yellow Jackets' only win in 2021

My spreads:
Game of the day: Bluffton (+17.5) @ Hanover
Anderson (+24.5) @ Franklin
Defiance (+34.5) @ Mount St Joseph
Manchester (+37.5) @ Rose-Hulman
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 08, 2022, 03:08:13 PM
These games are more lopsided than I thought... Hanover up 49-14, MSJ up 41-7, and Franklin up merely 31-7 all at half while Rose is up 34-7 late 2nd quarter.
And we get to look forward to yet another week of top half vs bottom half next week.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 10, 2022, 12:21:07 PM
Well...at least DC could outscore an opponent in the second half for once. They were outscored 102-36 in the second half in their past four games. Plus, Mount Union took it easy on them, so that the amount could have been much worse. 

Being optimistic about my beloved program, I am excited to see that DC has scored more points through five games this year (111) than they did for all ten games last year (96). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2022, 02:01:07 PM
I think MSJ and Rose are 1a and 1b right now with Hanover lurking at 3rd.
Then Franklin 4th and Bluffton 5th right in the middle.
The bottom is bad, I think I'd go Manchester, Defiance, and Anderson in that order. The Yellow Jackets get both of them at home so it's possible they get a couple of wins. I think I'd take Defiance even if it was at Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2022, 02:13:03 PM
Another long day of top half vs bottom half this week then we finally get some good games next week. Then one final slog of top half vs bottom half before the final two weeks of duking it out.

2nd quarter for everybody... Rose beating Bluffton 28-7, MSJ over Anderson 21-0, Hanover over Manchester 21-7, Franklin over Defiance 13-0. On track to have four teams at 3-0 and four teams 0-3.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2022, 05:24:59 PM
Well, the hatchet just fell at Anderson as reported by d3football.com with the dismissal of HC Rock. Probably, many of you in the HCAC assumed this was coming. Obviously, these situations are always difficult for both parties involved, to say the least. However, I always wonder why they just didn't allow the coach to finish out the season. Of course I don't know any inside, underlying info that may have pushed the decision that way. But, it doesn't make sense to name, especially at this level. I would be surprised if they make a decision on a new permanent HC before the end of the season, so, IMO, just finish out the season status quo. Although perhaps they want to see how the interim coach handles the situation for these last few games. Regardless, as we all know, this is just the nature of the business, even at DIII in this era.

Anyway, FCGrizzliesGrad, do you think there is any possibility that Rock will return to FC as an assistant coach?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2022, 05:49:01 PM
There aren't typically very many D-III head coaches let go this way, but Rock was the second one in the past seven days. Definitely unusual.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 19, 2022, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 19, 2022, 05:24:59 PM
Anyway, FCGrizzliesGrad, do you think there is any possibility that Rock will return to FC as an assistant coach?
He spent his entire Franklin tenure under Mike Leonard who left a couple seasons after Rock went to Anderson. It's conceivable he could return but I would doubt it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 11:14:06 AM
Finally some good action in the HCAC. Two games of 3-0 vs 3-0 and two games of 0-3 vs 0-3. Someone will get their first win of the year in Defiance.

My spreads:
GotD: MSJ @ Hanover (+4.5)
Franklin (+16.5) @ Rose
Bluffton @ Manchester (+6.5)
Anderson (+7.5) @ Defiance
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 02:54:49 PM
Franklin getting demolished in Terre Haute. Rose leads 28-0 at halftime. Grizzlies just 7 of 24 passing for 51 yards. Jailen Hobbs has been killing Franklin with 2 receiving TD and a punt return TD so far.
It's 20-14 at halftime in the battle of the kitties. When Hanover scores 7, MSJ responds with 10. Lions seem to be doing a bit better offensively than the Panthers.
Another tight one between the Beavers and Spartans, tied at 17 at half.
Low scoring in Ohio in the battle of the winless. Defiance up 7-0 on Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 03:55:35 PM
It's now 49-0 RHIT. Jailen Hobbs needs to be on D3F Team of the Week. He's got 7 receptions for 103 yards and 3 TD, plus 4 punt returns for 148 yards, 1 TD, and nearly a second but was pushed out inside the 5 yard line.

Every other game is a one score game in the 4th quarter.

Hanover with a 29-23 lead on unbeaten MSJ with 11 minutes left.
Manchester with a couple FG in the 2nd half for a 23-17 lead on Bluffton with 9 minutes left.
Defiance up 26-22 with under 9 minutes left.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 04:07:01 PM
Rose-Hulman goes to 4-0 in conference play with a 49-0 win over Franklin.

Defiance with a TD but miss the 2pt and lead Anderson 32-22 with 4:52 left.
Mount St Joseph also with a TD and take a 30-29 lead against Hanover with 6 minutes left
Bluffton with a couple TD and now lead Manchester 30-23 with 3:08 left
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 04:22:56 PM
MSJ get another TD for a 37-29 lead, then recover the kickoff. 4th and goal at the 1 with under a minute left, MSJ go for it and get the TD. 44-29 now.

Manchester punch it in with under 30 seconds left to tie Bluffton at 30. Beavers take a knee and they're headed to OT.

Defiance gets a stop and run out the clock. 32-22 final
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 04:37:41 PM
MSJ and RHIT remain unbeaten in conference play. They play week 11.
Franklin and Hanover both 3-1, Grizzlies play MSJ and Panthers play RHIT in week 10 then play for the Victory Bell in week 11.
Defiance now 1-3 while Anderson is 0-4.

In the final game today, Bluffton scored a TD and Manchester answers. Headed to OT2 tied at 37.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 22, 2022, 05:01:29 PM
Bluffton convert on 4th and 14 for a TD in OT2 to tie it up at 44. We're now into the worst aspect of college football... nothing but 2pt conversions in OT. It's as bad as shootouts in hockey or soccer. Might be a dramatic finish but it's no way to decide a winner.

Several failed plays later Bluffton finally scores and gets the stop to win 46-44.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 24, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
I was excited to see that Defiance can close a game out this season!  They have a daunting task ahead of them as they head to Terre Haute, IN, to face what I believe will be the conference champs. 
I still feel DC is on the verge of becoming a better program than what they have shown in the past.  I am not claiming they will be winning the HCAC right away, but I do feel if the staff stays as well as the players, they will stop being a doormat in the HCAC. 
On another note, I am hoping on 11/12 both RHIT and MSJ are undefeated setting up a conference championship game.  I know I previously mentioned that I believe RHIT will be the at the top when the dust settles, but they do have to play at MSJ where anything can happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on October 24, 2022, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 24, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
I was excited to see that Defiance can close a game out this season!  They have a daunting task ahead of them as they head to Terre Haute, IN, to face what I believe will be the conference champs. 
I still feel DC is on the verge of becoming a better program than what they have shown in the past.  I am not claiming they will be winning the HCAC right away, but I do feel if the staff stays as well as the players, they will stop being a doormat in the HCAC. 
On another note, I am hoping on 11/12 both RHIT and MSJ are undefeated setting up a conference championship game.  I know I previously mentioned that I believe RHIT will be the at the top when the dust settles, but they do have to play at MSJ where anything can happen.

Defiance has a couple of "winnable" games to end the season too.   As a Mount Union man, I am rooting for your Yellow Jackets every week.  2-3 wins after this past off-season would be a great step in the right direction
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 24, 2022, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 24, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
I was excited to see that Defiance can close a game out this season!  They have a daunting task ahead of them as they head to Terre Haute, IN, to face what I believe will be the conference champs. 
I still feel DC is on the verge of becoming a better program than what they have shown in the past.  I am not claiming they will be winning the HCAC right away, but I do feel if the staff stays as well as the players, they will stop being a doormat in the HCAC. 
On another note, I am hoping on 11/12 both RHIT and MSJ are undefeated setting up a conference championship game.  I know I previously mentioned that I believe RHIT will be the at the top when the dust settles, but they do have to play at MSJ where anything can happen.

MSJ is a breeze in Delhi.. at least that was our experience(s). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 24, 2022, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 24, 2022, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 24, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
I was excited to see that Defiance can close a game out this season!  They have a daunting task ahead of them as they head to Terre Haute, IN, to face what I believe will be the conference champs. 
I still feel DC is on the verge of becoming a better program than what they have shown in the past.  I am not claiming they will be winning the HCAC right away, but I do feel if the staff stays as well as the players, they will stop being a doormat in the HCAC. 
On another note, I am hoping on 11/12 both RHIT and MSJ are undefeated setting up a conference championship game.  I know I previously mentioned that I believe RHIT will be the at the top when the dust settles, but they do have to play at MSJ where anything can happen.

MSJ is a breeze in Delhi.. at least that was our experience(s).

:D

Good to see you check in, SaintsFAN!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2022, 02:05:38 PM
Oh, how I miss SaintsFAN's HCAC jabs! ;D

Thanks, D3fanboy!  We'll take all the support we can get.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2022, 03:28:59 PM
There's been a hole around here without the chirping at MSJ by Saint


Manchester needs to work on their 2 minute offense. Started a drive at their own 6 with about 2 minutes left in the half. Wasted way too much time early in the drive. Still managed to go 90 yards to get inside the 5 but ran out of time. A couple penalties on Franklin after Manchester was going to settle for a FG and the Spartans decide to go for it from inside the 2 and get stuffed. Grizzlies lead 17-6 at halftime in by far the closest game in the HCAC today.

Rose-Hulman has put up an eyewatering 62 points ??? in the first half and lead Defiance 62-14. Robertson is 23 of 29 passing for 324 yards and 7 TD to four different receivers.
Mount St Joseph will continue their unbeaten streak. After leading Bluffton 49-7 at halftime it's now 56-21 midway through the 3rd.
Hanover cruising 34-3 at halftime against Anderson.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
Not a huge difference in the stats between Franklin and Manchester, but the big one was Grizzlies 10/17 on 3rd down while Manchester just 2/13. Franklin pitches a shutout in the 2nd half and win 24-6
Rose-Hulman eased up in the 2nd half but it's still tied for the 2nd most points in a D3 game this year and a scorigami (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=9195.0) after beating Defiance 76-35
Mount St Joseph with only the 2nd most points in the conference today beating Bluffton 70-21
Hanover with the largest win beating Anderson 62-3.


Rose at Hanover easily the GotW next week. Can't see Franklin causing too much trouble for MSJ. Down in the bottom half Manchester at Defiance should be good as well while Bluffton should handle Anderson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2022, 11:34:55 PM
Franklin almost came up with the upset tying MSJ at 20 with 9 1/2 minutes left but just like a couple weeks ago the Lions took care of business in the 4th and won 27-20.
Rose-Hulman dominated the 2nd half outscoring Hanover 23-0 to beat the Panthers 47-17.
Defiance led Manchester 24-7 at the half, Spartans made a run but Defiance held on 24-21
Bluffton took the lead early and wasn't threatened in a 27-9 win over Anderson.

That sets up games for 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th next week.

1st place: Rose-Hulman @ Mount St Joseph. MSJ trying to go undefeated. Winner headed to the playoffs.
3rd place: Victory Bell: Hanover @ Franklin. Grizzlies need a win to avoid finishing below .500 for the first time since I was a freshman in 2003.
5th place: Defiance @ Bluffton. Defiance looking to win 3 games in a season for the first time since 2014.
7th place: Bronze Ball: Manchester @ Anderson. Manchester has lost 8 straight after an opening week win, Anderson has lost 10 straight dating to last season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 12, 2022, 12:10:08 PM
It's a snowy day here in Central Indiana. An inch or two on the ground and been snowing all morning. Can't recall there being much weather this season and certainly no snow or cold temps like this.
My predictions... Rose stops the unbeaten season in a 1 score game, Hanover also in a 1 score game. Bluffton wins comfortably by 3 scores and Manchester by 2 scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 12, 2022, 07:30:39 PM
Whelp... only got one of the 4 games predicted right and it was the one I didn't want to be right on :-[ :( Now to wait and see who MSJ gets in the 1st round. Don't know if they host with that awful SoS dragging their regional ranking down but should hopefully avoid a Mount Union/North Central type of matchup.

Final 2022 Standings (with their preseason poll ranking)
2) Mount St. Joseph 10-0 (7-0)
1) Rose-Hulman         6-4 (6-1)
3) Hanover                 5-5 (5-2)
4) Franklin                 4-6 (4-3)
8) Defiance                3-7 (3-4)
5) Bluffton                 2-5 (2-8)
7) Anderson               1-9 (1-6)
6) Manchester            1-9 (0-7)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2022, 06:47:13 PM
The Lions will head north to Alma.

https://twitter.com/d3football/status/1591915302802976769
Quote@d3football
MIAA 3-21 in the five-round playoffs, HCAC 6-23. #d3fb

The last (and only) time a non-Franklin HCAC team won a playoff game was Hanover in 2000 (coincidentally against the MIAA at Hope)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 13, 2022, 07:30:59 PM
Kinda wish the NACC had the luck both Alma and MSJ had today. Then again in hindsight that week one loss to Hope probably came back to bite Aurora now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on November 14, 2022, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 12, 2022, 07:30:39 PM
Whelp... only got one of the 4 games predicted right and it was the one I didn't want to be right on :-[ :( Now to wait and see who MSJ gets in the 1st round. Don't know if they host with that awful SoS dragging their regional ranking down but should hopefully avoid a Mount Union/North Central type of matchup.

Final 2022 Standings (with their preseason poll ranking)
2) Mount St. Joseph 10-0 (7-0)
1) Rose-Hulman         6-4 (6-1)
3) Hanover                 5-5 (5-2)
4) Franklin                 4-6 (4-3)
8) Defiance                3-7 (3-4)
5) Bluffton                 2-5 (2-8)
7) Anderson               1-9 (1-6)
6) Manchester            1-9 (0-7)

Happy to see DC finish the season better than anticipated!  I hope they build on this season and continue to be more competitive next season with a few more W's.

Seeing that MSJ drew Alma for a round one game seems to be a fair matchup.  I do feel MSJ should be hosting, but nothing can be done about that. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2022, 02:05:06 AM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/11/15/hcac-announces-2022-football-all-conference-awards.aspx (https://heartlandconf.org/news/2022/11/15/hcac-announces-2022-football-all-conference-awards.aspx)

Offensive Player of the Year – Josh Taylor, Mount St. Joseph University
Defensive Player of the Year – Noah Hammond, Mount St. Joseph University
Special Teams Player of the Year – Jailen Hobbs, Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Newcomer of the Year – Da'Realyst Clark, Defiance College
Coach of the Year – Tyler Hopperton, Mount St. Joseph University

Team                    1st-2nd-HM
Mount St. Joseph   11 - 7 - 1
Rose-Hulman         12 - 4 - 0
Hanover                 4 - 4 - 2
Franklin                  4 - 9 - 2
Defiance                 3 - 4 - 6
Bluffton                  0 - 5 - 4
Anderson                0 - 0 - 8
Manchester             1 - 4 - 2
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 19, 2022, 05:54:46 PM
Mount St Joseph goes down 41-21 to Alma. Tied at 21 at halftime, MSJ could do nothing in the 2nd half. Their drives went 3 and out, 3 and out, punt, downs, 3 and out, 3 and out, interception.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 16, 2022, 07:37:36 PM
One HCAC player made the all american lists

Jailen Hobbs from RHIT made 4th team All American at returner.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spartan27 on January 13, 2023, 10:21:26 AM
Manchester head coach resignation

https://muspartans.com/news/2023/1/10/new-chapter-ahead-nate-jensen-resigns-as-head-football-coach.aspx
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spartan27 on February 28, 2023, 09:47:43 AM
https://muspartans.com/news/2023/2/27/hunt-named-head-football-coach.aspx
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on February 28, 2023, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Spartan27 on February 28, 2023, 09:47:43 AM
https://muspartans.com/news/2023/2/27/hunt-named-head-football-coach.aspx

Very cool!  Excited about this opportunity for Vann.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 29, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
With the NFL draft going on, thought it'd be a good time to look at the non-conference schedules for the coming season.

Anderson: vs Trine, TBD, TBD, TBD
Bluffton: vs Kenyon, vs Albion, @ Adrian, OFF
Defiance: TBD, @ Adrian, @ Kalamazoo, TBD
Franklin: vs Olivet, vs Aurora, @ Trine, OFF
Hanover: @ Centre, OFF, @ Olivet, vs Trine
Manchester: TBD, TBD, vs Greenville, TBD
Mount St Joseph: @ Baldwin Wallace, vs Hiram, @ Hope, OFF
Rose-Hulman: vs DePauw, @ Trine, @ Albion, OFF

Three teams still have unknown games, Anderson and Manchester both with 2 games to reveal and Defiance with 1. I'm assuming Anderson will play at Alma in week 3 as that's the only MIAA team not paired up yet. Of the other 5 teams, 4 will take week 4 off while Hanover is taking their bye in week 2.
Trine appears to be trying to join the HCAC as all four of their non-conference games are against fellow Hoosiers.

MIAA- 12; NCAC- 3; NACC- 1; OAC- 1; SAA- 1; UMAC- 1; TBD- 5
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: uwwcontra2007 on April 29, 2023, 08:59:04 PM
I think I can help with these.  I've been tracking schedules for a few years now, and I have all of the non-conference games for the HCAC based on other schools releasing their schedules.  These are subject to change, but here is what I have:

Anderson: vs Trine, @Depauw, @Alma, OFF
Bluffton: vs Kenyon, vs Albion, @Adrian, OFF
Defiance: vs. Mount Union, @Adrian, @Kalamazoo, OFF
Franklin: vs Olivet, vs Aurora, @Trine, OFF
Hanover: @Centre, OFF, @Olivet, vs Trine
Manchester: vs North Park, vs Alma, vs Greenville, OFF
MSJ: @Baldwin Wallace, vs Hiram, @Hope, OFF
R-H: vs Depauw, @Trine, @Albion, OFF

Again, this is based on the other schools releasing their schedules to their respective websites, or the HCAC schools releasing their schedules to their own websites.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Surprising (and a bit sad) to see SID/Associate AD Kevin Lanke leave Rose-Hulman for a somewhat similar role (https://www.tribstar.com/sports/switching-wabash-valley-sides-lanke-tabbed-associate-vp-of-athletics-at-smwc/article_0adc8628-eabd-11ed-a868-6bdb05d4408d.html) at tiny (around 800 on campus, but less than 600 undergrads) NAIA Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College.  Back in the day when they were in the SCAC (yes, a long time ago) I had the chance to work with him as a regional writer for D3football and he was always very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and quite pleasant.  According to the story above, a "driving force in this allegiance swap [between schools], he said, was having a fundraising and publicity team that was on the same page."  Given a tiny endowment (somewhere around $15M from what I can gather) and a $5M campaign that's been underway since 2016 and is less than halfway to goal (https://www.smwc.edu/giving/le-fer-hall-miles-to-go/) seven years later, I hope this move works out for him. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on May 08, 2023, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Surprising (and a bit sad) to see SID/Associate AD Kevin Lanke leave Rose-Hulman for a somewhat similar role (https://www.tribstar.com/sports/switching-wabash-valley-sides-lanke-tabbed-associate-vp-of-athletics-at-smwc/article_0adc8628-eabd-11ed-a868-6bdb05d4408d.html) at tiny (around 800 on campus, but less than 600 undergrads) NAIA Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College.  Back in the day when they were in the SCAC (yes, a long time ago) I had the chance to work with him as a regional writer for D3football and he was always very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and quite pleasant.  According to the story above, a "driving force in this allegiance swap [between schools], he said, was having a fundraising and publicity team that was on the same page."  Given a tiny endowment (somewhere around $15M from what I can gather) and a $5M campaign that's been underway since 2016 and is less than halfway to goal (https://www.smwc.edu/giving/le-fer-hall-miles-to-go/) seven years later, I hope this move works out for him.

Am I reading it wrong or do some of those quotes have an edge to them? Bold move when you are staying in town.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: crufootball on May 08, 2023, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Surprising (and a bit sad) to see SID/Associate AD Kevin Lanke leave Rose-Hulman for a somewhat similar role (https://www.tribstar.com/sports/switching-wabash-valley-sides-lanke-tabbed-associate-vp-of-athletics-at-smwc/article_0adc8628-eabd-11ed-a868-6bdb05d4408d.html) at tiny (around 800 on campus, but less than 600 undergrads) NAIA Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College.  Back in the day when they were in the SCAC (yes, a long time ago) I had the chance to work with him as a regional writer for D3football and he was always very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and quite pleasant.  According to the story above, a "driving force in this allegiance swap [between schools], he said, was having a fundraising and publicity team that was on the same page."  Given a tiny endowment (somewhere around $15M from what I can gather) and a $5M campaign that's been underway since 2016 and is less than halfway to goal (https://www.smwc.edu/giving/le-fer-hall-miles-to-go/) seven years later, I hope this move works out for him.

Am I reading it wrong or do some of those quotes have an edge to them? Bold move when you are staying in town.

Definitely seems to be something he was unhappy about, whether it's how RHIT supported the athletic program or something career-related.  Maybe after 25 years in basically the same role, he was ready for a new challenge. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 10, 2023, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: crufootball on May 08, 2023, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Surprising (and a bit sad) to see SID/Associate AD Kevin Lanke leave Rose-Hulman for a somewhat similar role (https://www.tribstar.com/sports/switching-wabash-valley-sides-lanke-tabbed-associate-vp-of-athletics-at-smwc/article_0adc8628-eabd-11ed-a868-6bdb05d4408d.html) at tiny (around 800 on campus, but less than 600 undergrads) NAIA Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College.  Back in the day when they were in the SCAC (yes, a long time ago) I had the chance to work with him as a regional writer for D3football and he was always very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and quite pleasant.  According to the story above, a "driving force in this allegiance swap [between schools], he said, was having a fundraising and publicity team that was on the same page."  Given a tiny endowment (somewhere around $15M from what I can gather) and a $5M campaign that's been underway since 2016 and is less than halfway to goal (https://www.smwc.edu/giving/le-fer-hall-miles-to-go/) seven years later, I hope this move works out for him.


Am I reading it wrong or do some of those quotes have an edge to them? Bold move when you are staying in town.

Definitely seems to be something he was unhappy about, whether it's how RHIT supported the athletic program or something career-related.  Maybe after 25 years in basically the same role, he was ready for a new challenge.
There's been something going on behind the scenes at RHIT. We've discussed it a bit on the WBB board after their season got cancelled after a few games due to "lack of players". One of the parents (Jester1390) hinted at it being a somewhat toxic situation with the administration and/or recently hired AD.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 10, 2023, 05:57:01 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 10, 2023, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: crufootball on May 08, 2023, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Surprising (and a bit sad) to see SID/Associate AD Kevin Lanke leave Rose-Hulman for a somewhat similar role (https://www.tribstar.com/sports/switching-wabash-valley-sides-lanke-tabbed-associate-vp-of-athletics-at-smwc/article_0adc8628-eabd-11ed-a868-6bdb05d4408d.html) at tiny (around 800 on campus, but less than 600 undergrads) NAIA Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College.  Back in the day when they were in the SCAC (yes, a long time ago) I had the chance to work with him as a regional writer for D3football and he was always very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and quite pleasant.  According to the story above, a "driving force in this allegiance swap [between schools], he said, was having a fundraising and publicity team that was on the same page."  Given a tiny endowment (somewhere around $15M from what I can gather) and a $5M campaign that's been underway since 2016 and is less than halfway to goal (https://www.smwc.edu/giving/le-fer-hall-miles-to-go/) seven years later, I hope this move works out for him.


Am I reading it wrong or do some of those quotes have an edge to them? Bold move when you are staying in town.

Definitely seems to be something he was unhappy about, whether it's how RHIT supported the athletic program or something career-related.  Maybe after 25 years in basically the same role, he was ready for a new challenge.
There's been something going on behind the scenes at RHIT. We've discussed it a bit on the WBB board after their season got cancelled after a few games due to "lack of players". One of the parents (Jester1390) hinted at it being a somewhat toxic situation with the administration and/or recently hired AD.

They cancelled their basketball season because they didn't have enough players?  That doesn't seem good when you're talking about basketball and not football. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 11, 2023, 12:39:40 AM
I put it in quotes because apparently they still could field a team but not much off the bench. Apparently others were willing to play to keep it going but the school decided to end the season after just 20% of the schedule.

The best discussion of the situation starts with this post and the next seven or so messages (basically until I start talking into the void that the HCAC board sometimes is). Took place a week or two after the season was halted.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=623.msg2067468#msg2067468

While I don't have any inside info, Jester's daughter played the previous 3 years but was one of several ladies who quit the team. Enginerd is a RHIT alum. I trust their knowledge of things Rose-Hulman related.


As far as Kevin Lanke leaving, you have the WBB situation, RHIT hired a new AD only a year or two ago, SMWC just went fully coed I think in 2016, and moved from USCAA to became a full NAIA member last summer. The Terre Haute schools (RHIT, SMWC, and Indiana St) get on well. It seems like there's been quite a few changes in the past handful of years and after 25 years at the same place he gets a fresh start in the same city with a school moving up the ranks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shamrock on June 03, 2023, 06:01:57 AM
Berea to the Heartland.  That has to be good news for the conference. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 03, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
They don't have football so still just 8 teams and now 3 teams without (Berea, Earlham, Transylvania).
I think the bigger question is does the conference add a 12th to get back to an even number. Asbury is still looking for a landing spot and seems to be the obvious choice if the HCAC does add another school in the near future.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: monsoon on June 04, 2023, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 03, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
They don't have football so still just 8 teams and now 3 teams without (Berea, Earlham, Transylvania).
I think the bigger question is does the conference add a 12th to get back to an even number. Asbury is still looking for a landing spot and seems to be the obvious choice if the HCAC does add another school in the near future.

Asbury makes a lot of sense... and they don't play football either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 11, 2023, 12:45:04 PM
Preseason All-Americans
1st Team
RB   Cornell Beachem Jr.   Mount St. Joseph   Sr.   Cincinnati, Ohio
3rd Team
WR   Daniel Huery      Rose-Hulman      Sr.   Katy, Texas
CB   DeShawn Starks   Mount St. Joseph   Sr.   Lexington, Ky.


Preseason Top 25
Mount St Joseph received 32 points to sit in 29th.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJguy on August 25, 2023, 08:39:31 PM
Rumor has it Asbury was going to join the league but was not accepted..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on August 26, 2023, 01:23:39 PM
I think that Spalding would be a logical target.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 27, 2023, 09:00:56 AM
https://heartlandconf.org/news/2023/8/22/mount-st-joseph-university-voted-to-bring-home-2023-hcac-football-title.aspx

2023 HCAC FOOTBALL PRESEASON POLL
1.   Mount St. Joseph (7)   49
2.   Rose-Hulman (1)         43
3.   Hanover                      35
4.   Franklin                       33
5.   Defiance                      25
6.   Bluffton                       19
7.   Manchester                 11
8.   Anderson                      9

The only difference between this year's poll and last year's final standings is that Anderson and Manchester have been swapped. The top 6 finished in that exact order last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 28, 2023, 01:32:11 PM
As I post every year, here's the HCAC record in non-conference games since last going over .500

Regular season non-conference record
2006: 13-11 (Franklin, Rose 3-0; Defiance, MSJ 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton, Manchester 1-2)
2007: 12-12 (MSJ, Rose 3-0; Franklin, Manchester 2-1; Anderson, Defiance 1-2)
2008: 10-14 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Anderson, Bluffton 1-2) Franklin quarterfinals
2009: 7-17 (Franklin, MSJ, Rose 2-1; Defiance 1-2)
Earlham joins HCAC
2010: 6-12 (Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover, Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2011: 3-15 (Franklin, Manchester, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2012: 2-16 (Bluffton, MSJ 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2013: 1-17 (Earlham 1-1) Franklin 2nd round
2014: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Manchester, MSJ 1-1)
2015: 4-14 (Rose 2-0; Bluffton, MSJ 1-1)
2016: 5-13 (Bluffton 2-0; Defiance, Franklin, Rose 1-1)
2017: 3-15 (Manchester, MSJ, Rose 1-1)
2018: 2-16 (Franklin, MSJ 1-1)
Earlham halts football program
2019: 6-12 (Anderson 2-0; MSJ 1-1; Hanover 2-1; Rose 1-2)
2020/21: 1-2 (Bluffton 1-0)
2021: 6-18 (Franklin 2-1; Bluffton, Hanover, MSJ, Rose 1-2)
2022: 4-20 (MSJ 3-0, Manchester 1-2)

I think it's a coinflip on whether it will be more or fewer wins than last year. I'd say 6 wins is probably the max and 1 win is the minimum.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 30, 2023, 11:22:41 AM
Playoff projections for the season using my model's preseason ratings:

(https://i.imgur.com/rEZOvGq.png)

You can look at other conferences on my website: https://hansenratings.github.io/ (https://hansenratings.github.io/).
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2023, 10:24:26 AM
The season is finally here. Who has a chance to win today?

Coin flips
Rose-Hulman should be a good game hosting DePauw
Bluffton will be closely matched hosting Kenyon

Underdogs
Franklin hosts Olivet after blowing the lead last year. Winnable but a small underdog.
Hanover is at Centre. Close game last year, small underdog this year.
Mount St Joseph will have a challenge on the road beating Baldwin Wallace like last year
Manchester's lone win last year was North Park, Spartans host this year

No chance
Anderson will have a long day at home against Trine
Defiance will be crushed at home by Mount Union


Best case the conference could pull off a winning record, worst case they go 0fer. My prediction is 2 wins is most likely.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 02, 2023, 03:00:24 PM
Halftime of the three early games...
MSJ leads Baldwin Wallace 19-14. Missed the XP on the first TD, then failed on a 2pt conversion on their 2nd TD. Probably a bit early to go for two.
Franklin trails Olivet 14-13. Franklin had their first XP blocked and unlike MSJ didn't chase the points on the 2nd TD.
Defiance trails Mount Union 21-0. UMU only scored once in their first three drives. I'm sure there will be a few teams that wish they were only down 21 to Mount at halftime.

Honestly, pretty good showing so far.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2023, 06:25:09 PM
I am going to give my Jackets a moral victory today. Though the score does not reflect it, they were not steamrolled by the #2 team in the country.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 03, 2023, 11:51:21 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 02, 2023, 06:25:09 PM
I am going to give my Jackets a moral victory today. Though the score does not reflect it, they were not steamrolled by the #2 team in the country.

I thought they definitely looked a lot more competitive this year than last year.  Combine that with how they ended last season on a nice run and I think you should be optimistic about their HCAC slate.  I thought the QB did a nice job considering how much pressure he was under.  He didn't panic.  Did a nice job a few times of kind of sliding away from the pressure and finding a safety valve to throw to.  Having a senior who is calm like that at QB is gonna pay off this season. 
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 07, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 03, 2023, 11:51:21 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 02, 2023, 06:25:09 PM
I am going to give my Jackets a moral victory today. Though the score does not reflect it, they were not steamrolled by the #2 team in the country.

I thought they definitely looked a lot more competitive this year than last year.  Combine that with how they ended last season on a nice run and I think you should be optimistic about their HCAC slate.  I thought the QB did a nice job considering how much pressure he was under.  He didn't panic.  Did a nice job a few times of kind of sliding away from the pressure and finding a safety valve to throw to.  Having a senior who is calm like that at QB is gonna pay off this season. 
Since Mount wasn't kicking field goals on first down like last year, I am happy with the progress!  Definitely looking forward to this year and years to come as long as they can build on the culture and the commitment.
I feel Ambrose did an exceptional job considering he was under duress for the majority of the game. 
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 07, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 03, 2023, 11:51:21 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 02, 2023, 06:25:09 PM
I am going to give my Jackets a moral victory today. Though the score does not reflect it, they were not steamrolled by the #2 team in the country.

I thought they definitely looked a lot more competitive this year than last year.  Combine that with how they ended last season on a nice run and I think you should be optimistic about their HCAC slate.  I thought the QB did a nice job considering how much pressure he was under.  He didn't panic.  Did a nice job a few times of kind of sliding away from the pressure and finding a safety valve to throw to.  Having a senior who is calm like that at QB is gonna pay off this season. 
Since Mount wasn't kicking field goals on first down like last year, I am happy with the progress!  Definitely looking forward to this year and years to come as long as they can build on the culture and the commitment.
I feel Ambrose did an exceptional job considering he was under duress for the majority of the game. 
Definitely an improvement over last year. Hopefully not good enough to beat Franklin week 7 though ;)
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 08, 2023, 03:30:27 PM
Week 2, what's the forecast looking like? Only 7 games with Hanover off.

Lock
MSJ should have no problem beating Hiram even if have a bit of a letdown.

Coin Flip
Rose-Hulman plays Trine with the past two years being 1 point games. Rose blew a 20 point halftime lead last year after injuries and almost blew a 14 point lead two years ago. I'd say Rose is a slight underdog but can easily win.

Underdog
Defiance is a big underdog at Adrian but I could see this being closer than expected

No chance
Franklin lost to Aurora by 33 last year. Probably going to be similar this year.
Bluffton had a nice win last week but Albion is slightly tougher than Kenyon.
Manchester will have another tough week against Alma
Anderson lost 61-0 last week and it probably won't be much better at DePauw


Not going to be nearly as good a week as week 1. One or two wins likely.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Inkblot on September 09, 2023, 04:41:31 AM
I've been watching old episodes of To Tell the Truth and just ran across one from 1961 featuring Rose Polytechnic Institute's football coach. The team had only 15 players and had just gone 0-8 while being outscored 515 to 6. Video link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-p6Zho_oI&list=PL39ftvD_GHaFDX-9JNkJNPK2F5nUer_mA)
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2023, 02:17:08 PM
If you like defense, don't watch Franklin. After the 1st quarter it's Aurora 28-14. They've combined for 485 yards of offense. Aurora has 258 yards rushing and had 304 total while Franklin has contributed 181 yards.

MSJ leads Hiram 42-14 at half
Anderson trails DePauw 44-0 at half
Defiance leads Adrian 14-10 late in the 2nd quarter
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2023, 03:57:40 PM
Franklin is making a comeback, Aurora's lead is down to just 5. It's 35-30 with 11 minutes left.


MSJ has won 62-21 over Hiram
Defiance outscored Adrian 20-0 in the 2nd half and win 34-17
Anderson loses 68-19 to DePauw.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 09, 2023, 04:34:10 PM
Franklin had the ball with a chance to take the lead but a strip sack recovered by Aurora led to a FG. Spartans later got another TD. Franklin drove down into the red zone in the final minute but an interception in the end zone finishes it. 45-30 final score. 1109 yards of offense between the two teams today, 616 for Aurora and 493 for Franklin.

Manchester is down 22-0 to Alma late in the 1st quarter
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 10, 2023, 07:31:57 AM
The conference is 6-9 with 9 non-conference games left. Last time the conference managed 7 wins was in 2009. Last time the conference won at least 40% (as they have so far) was 2008.
Now if Anderson and Manchester could improve like Defiance has, the HCAC might not be a bottom 5 conference. We were ranked 25th of 27 last year (https://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2022/re-ranking-the-conferences-for-2022)
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 10, 2023, 01:56:54 PM
MSJ looks for real, DC and RHIT picked up some big wins for the conference this weekend.
Hoping we can win at least two more to exceed 2009, and I feel there are several toss ups this upcoming Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2023, 01:05:15 PM
It's MIAA challenge week. 7 games against our northern neighbors plus a UMAC matchup.

Favorite
Mount St Joseph was the lone win last year beaingt Hope by 5 and I'd peg them as a slight favorite this year. I'm expecting a high scoring game decided by 10 or less.

Coin Flip
Hanover travels to Olivet where they lost by 3 last year. Panthers have had a week off to prepare. I think it will be close but if I had to pick I think I'd take Hanover.
Defiance is in Kalamazoo who beat them last year by 19. After an impressive win last week, they have a decent chance at going into conference play with a winning record.

Underdog
Rose-Hulman has split a challenging first two weeks. They have another test at Albion. They lost by 32 last year, I expect a much closer battle this year.
Franklin heads to Trine where they lost by 34 last year. I think they'll keep it close for the first 2-3 quarters but Trine should be able to hold them off.
Bluffton visits Adrian who won last year by 35. I think the scoreline will be closer but I think Adrian should be able to win again.
Manchester is the lone team not playing the MIAA. They host Greenville who won by 27 last year. I think the Spartans will finally get on the scoreboard but might be tough to get a win.

No chance
Anderson gets the worst matchup of the day heading to Alma. They lost by 38 last year and if they hold the Scots to under 50 points that will be a success.


I know better than to have optimism, but I'll predict 3 wins this week. I apologize in advance if the conference now goes 0-8 today.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2023, 03:44:27 PM
Rose really need to figure out the 2nd half. In 3 games they've scored 27 points in the 1st quarter and 37 in the 2nd quarter, but just 6 points in the 3rd and nothing in the 4th. They were down just 1 at halftime but lose 48-19.

Three good games right now, Defiance tied 35-35 in the 4th quarter, MSJ up 35-34 in the 4th, Franklin tied 37-37 in the 3rd.
Hanover is destroying Olivet 61-17 in the 4th.
Manchester down 42-7 at halftime.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2023, 04:00:16 PM
Hope up 40-35, MSJ driving down. 4th and 2 with 9 seconds left at the Hope 10. The snap was fumbled and Hope holds on.
Kalamazoo just scored to take a 42-35 lead on Defiance with 2:16 left. Yellow Jackets have 1st down at midfield with 44 seconds left and one timeout.
Franklin tied at 37 with Trine early in the 4th. Having video issues in Angola.
Hanover wins 67-17 over Olivet.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2023, 04:12:33 PM
Defiance appears to get a TD on the final play but the ref rules him out of bounds. Not sure I agree with that call. Got both feet in I believe (certainly the first foot was) and it was a bit of a fight for the ball between the receiver and defender. I'll be interested to hear dc's comments on it.

Trine has scored a couple times to put Franklin down 37-51 with under 12 minutes left. They've combined for over 1000 yards now.

Manchester loses 59-7. At least they've scored this season.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2023, 04:58:13 PM
Franklin falls 58-43 which is scorigami (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=9195.msg2010702#msg2010702)

Bluffton is down 23-7 to Adrian at halftime
Anderson trails 36-14 early in the 2nd
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2023, 06:00:42 PM
Bluffton had a chance late, down 23-15 they had the ball in the final minute but a fumble recovered by Adrian ends their chances. Lots of close but no cigar moments for the HCAC today.

And the last game of the day Anderson trails Alma 50-14 at halftime.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: monsoon on September 16, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
Thanks for the updates, FC!
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 17, 2023, 02:15:48 PM
Agreed, thanks for the updates, FCGrizz!

I was disappointed with the call at the end of the DC game. Saw a still shot of catch and there was control and inbounds. Regardless, it's D3 with no reviews, so you go with what was called. Additionally, you can't lose the turnover battle as well as have 15-2 penalty disparity and expect to win.
Hopefully, they learn from it and rebound in conference play! 
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 18, 2023, 06:08:36 AM
With just Hanover-Trine left in the non-conference, the conference is 7-16. It will be the best win percentage since 2019 when the conference went 6-12 (and before that was 2010 which was also 6-12). Seven wins matches the best win total since 2009.

Should be a pretty good game Saturday in the Panthers home opener.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on September 18, 2023, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 17, 2023, 02:15:48 PM
Agreed, thanks for the updates, FCGrizz!

I was disappointed with the call at the end of the DC game. Saw a still shot of catch and there was control and inbounds. Regardless, it's D3 with no reviews, so you go with what was called. Additionally, you can't lose the turnover battle as well as have 15-2 penalty disparity and expect to win.
Hopefully, they learn from it and rebound in conference play!

you aren't lying, I watched the replay and there's clearly a foot down.  Tough #D3Refs break for DC
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on September 19, 2023, 08:35:21 PM
The Grizzlies had momentum when tied with Trine 37-37.  They appeared to get an interception in the Trine end zone when the DB caught the ball and was tied up by the WR.  The official gave possession and a TD to Trine and the Grizzlies never seriously threatened again except scoring on the final play of the game.   :( 
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 20, 2023, 01:57:02 PM
been away from the boards for a while but came back just to say DC got screwed on that last call.  he was in by a yard!

it's amazing what a little experience will do for a team and the Defiance offense finally has some seasoned vets playing.  looking forward to seeing them in the top half of the league standings.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2023, 08:34:20 PM
Hanover led the whole way. Trine kept it close for three quarters but Hanover scored 21 in the 4th to pull away 38-14.

Final non-conference record
Hanover 3-0
MSJ 2-1
Bluffton 1-2
Defiance 1-2
Rose-Hulman 1-2
Anderson 0-3
Franklin 0-3
Manchester 0-3

As of now I'd say Hanover-MSJ week 8 will be for the title. Rose solidly in 3rd, could pull an upset to disrupt things. Franklin-Defiance week 7 to finish in the top half. Bluffton solidly in 6th, and the Bronze Ball week 11 for last place between Anderson and Manchester.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2023, 08:39:54 AM
It's time for conference action. Not much excitement in today's matchups. Rose should easily handle Anderson at home, same as MSJ hosting Manchester. Hanover should win comfortably against Defiance but I think the Yellow Jackets could put up a good fight in the first half. Finally there's Franklin hosting Bluffton. Franklin should win but it hasn't been easy. Five of the last six games have been within 2 scores and I could see them having a high scoring shootout. Possibly 'first to 40' wins?
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 30, 2023, 04:20:04 PM
3 games going as planned... MSJ and Rose winning comfortably, Franklin up 2 scores... but Defiance is less than a minute from upsetting Hanover.
Tied at 21, Yellow Jackets scored a TD but missed the extra point with 51 seconds left for a 27-21 lead. Hanover starts their drive from their own 42. A couple passes and down to the Defiance 20 with 17 seconds left. Hanover down to the 6 yard line with 6.7 seconds left. In and out of the receiver's hands in the end zone but a holding penalty. Hanover will have one play from the 16 yard line. And a sack ends it. Defiance pulls off the win 27-21.

While that was happening, Bluffton scored with under a minute left to get within 7, but Franklin recovered the onside kick and look like they'll hold on 31-24
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2023, 04:24:06 PM
Big win for the Jackets!  Let's Gooooooo!
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 02, 2023, 04:32:02 PM
Looks like Defiance will be leaving us. https://www.naia.org/general/2023-24/releases/NAIA_NewMembersFall_10_2_2023
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 05, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
It seems to be the right move for Defiance due to all the current issues they are dealing with (i.e., accreditation, enrollment, and so on).  Hopefully, this changes their trajectory as an academic institution.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on October 07, 2023, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
It seems to be the right move for Defiance due to all the current issues they are dealing with (i.e., accreditation, enrollment, and so on).  Hopefully, this changes their trajectory as an academic institution.

Schools with enrollment and financial issues do NOT makes moves which drastically increase their costs.  Schools tend to move from D2 or NAIA to D3 when they need to cut costs or if they have financial issues.  Defiance has accreditation, enrollment and financial issues.  Now they have to find a way to fund 36 full ride football scholarships plus hundreds of other scholarships just to be competitive.  Moving to D2 may gain prestige but NOT a move to a less prestigious NAIA.  Just ask Thomas More!  Big mistake!
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 07, 2023, 04:52:10 PM
Franklin has a lot of work to do. They made it 18 straight against Anderson in a 36-28 win but the Ravens had given up at least 60 in all four games this year and had yet to score 20. That is only the 2nd time in the last 17 meetings that Franklin failed to score at least 40.

Rose-Hulman cruises in Manchester 44-7.
Mount St Joseph puts a stop to the high flying Yellow Jackets 62-21
Hanover over Bluffton 21-0.

Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 13, 2023, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 07, 2023, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
It seems to be the right move for Defiance due to all the current issues they are dealing with (i.e., accreditation, enrollment, and so on).  Hopefully, this changes their trajectory as an academic institution.

Schools with enrollment and financial issues do NOT makes moves which drastically increase their costs.  Schools tend to move from D2 or NAIA to D3 when they need to cut costs or if they have financial issues.  Defiance has accreditation, enrollment and financial issues.  Now they have to find a way to fund 36 full ride football scholarships plus hundreds of other scholarships just to be competitive.  Moving to D2 may gain prestige but NOT a move to a less prestigious NAIA.  Just ask Thomas More!  Big mistake!

I don't have any additional input about what they will have to spend scholarship-wise in order to be competitive, but at the recent HCAC administrative meeting*, their AD summarized what they had considered in making the decision, and one expected benefit of the move is a considerably reduced travel budget: They will be near the geographic center of their new conference (the WHAC (https://www.whac.net/landing/index)), with their maximum travel time in the neighborhood of three hours—so no overnight stays for conference play. (And as a side benefit, less missed class time.)

Regarding the NAIA being less prestigious, I don't disagree. I recall when Bluffton, Defiance, and other members of the old HBCC made the transition from NAIA to NCAA D3 thirty-plus years ago, and how not long after that, the NCAA had to put a pause on letting in NAIA schools.

*I cannot share everything that was said in that meeting, of course, but this particular item did not feel confidential.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2023, 11:48:06 AM
Big game today... Franklin is at Defiance. In the pickem most still think Franklin are going to win, but I feel that might be a product of how the teams have been in the past. I actually think Defiance is the favorite here. I think I'll say 42-28 Yellow Jackets win.

MSJ should have another easy day hosting Anderson.
Hanover hosts Manchester. A final chance to get everything in order before they head to MSJ next week.
Rose-Hulman hosts Bluffton. I expect the Engineers to have no problem here.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2023, 04:53:36 PM
If not for a few plays in the 1st half, the Franklin-Defiance game could have been much different. Twice Defiance had a receiver get a step on the defender but couldn't hit them. One was in the end zone and one was a deep ball that could have gone for a TD. The other play was when Franklin was pinned at the 1 they almost had a safety but just got out, a couple plays later the Grizzlies busted a long run for a TD.
The rainy weather made passing almost non-existent. Franklin just 5 of 9 for 16 yards, Defiance combined for 5 of 17 for 42 yards. The running backs had a field day though. Tyshaun Freeman had 19 carries for 235 yards and 3 TD for Defiance. Not to be outdone, Garrett Cora had 30 rushes for 318 yards and 4 TD for Franklin.

Rose beat Bluffton 52-28 in a game that never looked in doubt after mid 2nd quarter.
MSJ led 70-0 after 3 and picked off the Ravens 5 times in a 77-14 win.
Hanover pitches the shutout with a 34-0 win against Bluffton.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 16, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on October 13, 2023, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 07, 2023, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
It seems to be the right move for Defiance due to all the current issues they are dealing with (i.e., accreditation, enrollment, and so on).  Hopefully, this changes their trajectory as an academic institution.

Schools with enrollment and financial issues do NOT makes moves which drastically increase their costs.  Schools tend to move from D2 or NAIA to D3 when they need to cut costs or if they have financial issues.  Defiance has accreditation, enrollment and financial issues.  Now they have to find a way to fund 36 full ride football scholarships plus hundreds of other scholarships just to be competitive.  Moving to D2 may gain prestige but NOT a move to a less prestigious NAIA.  Just ask Thomas More!  Big mistake!

I don't have any additional input about what they will have to spend scholarship-wise in order to be competitive, but at the recent HCAC administrative meeting*, their AD summarized what they had considered in making the decision, and one expected benefit of the move is a considerably reduced travel budget: They will be near the geographic center of their new conference (the WHAC (https://www.whac.net/landing/index)), with their maximum travel time in the neighborhood of three hours—so no overnight stays for conference play. (And as a side benefit, less missed class time.)

Regarding the NAIA being less prestigious, I don't disagree. I recall when Bluffton, Defiance, and other members of the old HBCC made the transition from NAIA to NCAA D3 thirty-plus years ago, and how not long after that, the NCAA had to put a pause on letting in NAIA schools.

*I cannot share everything that was said in that meeting, of course, but this particular item did not feel confidential.

they have stated the less travel expense as a key reason in the announcements they put out explaining the move.  Reality is only Hanover and Transylvania are the only 2 overnights that you have to do as MSJ is right at 3hrs. The new conference for football has Olivet Nazarene, Judson, St Francis IL all over in the Chicago Area which is about 4hrs.  Its not really a factor for football but all of the other sports I can see how this will be a lot better.   

When it comes to Scholarships, in one of the letter's they send out  I think it said they will be giving out close the same grant money as before but now it can be packaged up differently so their costs do not increase but they have a lot more flexibility on how to give it out.   if done correctly i can see how this can be leveraged to increase enrollment.  hand out a bunch of partial athletic scholarships to folks that may not have qualified for needs/merit grants before.  Spend the same amount but spread the wealth and get more to attend. 

Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.  I have no idea who I am supposed to hate now that its all new teams.  I am going with disliking Sienna Heights just cause they are in Adrian.  Either way that game for the Hammer this year with Bluffton will be huge and could determine who owns the hammer forever!
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jay Murry on October 20, 2023, 01:00:06 PM

Hello All,

While I will be following from afar WashU's efforts against North Central Saturday, it won't be idle following.

I will be in the midst of my Rett Gets Rocked 2023 24-hour ultramarathon at WashU to raise awareness of Rett syndrome and research funds to find a cure.  I'm starting around 8:00 Friday night (after I provide the call for the WashU-Saint Louis U. swimming and diving meet), and ending at 8:00 Saturday night. 

Rett syndrome is a neurological disorder caused by a gene mutation on the X chromosome.  It lays in the weeds until a child is between 6-18 months old, just when a child is learning to walk and talk.  Rett is like Lucy in the Peanuts comic strip when she pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown, as he tries to kick it.  Unlike Charlie Brown...when Rett pulls the ball away from children, they don't get a chance to get up and try again.  Children go into severe neurological regression; many end up in wheelchairs and most lose the ability to talk and to do sign language.  Those with Rett also are prone to seizures, extreme nerve pain, GI issues, breathing abnormalities, and eating difficulties that can all be life-threatening.

Researchers are relentless, providing hope on two fronts.  Back in March of this year, Daybue became the first FDA-approved drug to target the effects of Rett syndrome.  Daybue helps blunt some of the seizures and has helped improve some vocal and gross motor skills.  Gene replacement therapy clinical trials in two North American locations have helped one patient sit up independently for the first time in a decade, and to grasp objects for the first time since infancy.

It is this momentum of hope and progress that I am trying to assist and perpetuate.

If you would like to make a donation, click on this Rett Racers link:  https://rettracers.funraise.org/fundraiser/jaymurry

The families of children who have Rett and fight a tough fight every day, will be very grateful for your help.

Thank you for your time and consideration, and enjoy the games this weekend!
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 23, 2023, 04:51:50 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on October 16, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on October 13, 2023, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on October 07, 2023, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 05, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
It seems to be the right move for Defiance due to all the current issues they are dealing with (i.e., accreditation, enrollment, and so on).  Hopefully, this changes their trajectory as an academic institution.

Schools with enrollment and financial issues do NOT makes moves which drastically increase their costs.  Schools tend to move from D2 or NAIA to D3 when they need to cut costs or if they have financial issues.  Defiance has accreditation, enrollment and financial issues.  Now they have to find a way to fund 36 full ride football scholarships plus hundreds of other scholarships just to be competitive.  Moving to D2 may gain prestige but NOT a move to a less prestigious NAIA.  Just ask Thomas More!  Big mistake!

I don't have any additional input about what they will have to spend scholarship-wise in order to be competitive, but at the recent HCAC administrative meeting*, their AD summarized what they had considered in making the decision, and one expected benefit of the move is a considerably reduced travel budget: They will be near the geographic center of their new conference (the WHAC (https://www.whac.net/landing/index)), with their maximum travel time in the neighborhood of three hours—so no overnight stays for conference play. (And as a side benefit, less missed class time.)

Regarding the NAIA being less prestigious, I don't disagree. I recall when Bluffton, Defiance, and other members of the old HBCC made the transition from NAIA to NCAA D3 thirty-plus years ago, and how not long after that, the NCAA had to put a pause on letting in NAIA schools.

*I cannot share everything that was said in that meeting, of course, but this particular item did not feel confidential.

they have stated the less travel expense as a key reason in the announcements they put out explaining the move.  Reality is only Hanover and Transylvania are the only 2 overnights that you have to do as MSJ is right at 3hrs. The new conference for football has Olivet Nazarene, Judson, St Francis IL all over in the Chicago Area which is about 4hrs.  Its not really a factor for football but all of the other sports I can see how this will be a lot better.   

When it comes to Scholarships, in one of the letter's they send out  I think it said they will be giving out close the same grant money as before but now it can be packaged up differently so their costs do not increase but they have a lot more flexibility on how to give it out.   if done correctly i can see how this can be leveraged to increase enrollment.  hand out a bunch of partial athletic scholarships to folks that may not have qualified for needs/merit grants before.  Spend the same amount but spread the wealth and get more to attend. 

Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.  I have no idea who I am supposed to hate now that its all new teams.  I am going with disliking Sienna Heights just cause they are in Adrian.  Either way that game for the Hammer this year with Bluffton will be huge and could determine who owns the hammer forever!

All in all, it is disappointing to see all the transition that DC has gone through since I attended (97-00).  Went from the MIAA to HCAC and now to NAIA.  I really hope this solves some of their issues moving forward and helps them from not shutting down. 

Regarding who to dislike, I will go with St. Francis due to their proximity, having a DC alum as a coach, and we scrimmage them when I played at DC.
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GrizFan on November 10, 2023, 03:30:41 PM
Hey 70_dc_alum:

Speaking about owning a trophy forever - when I was a student at Franklin, we were in the "old" Heartland Conference in NCAA D2.  We did not play Hanover in football so the Victory Bell sat in the library and no one knew the history of the rivalry.  Our football rivals at the time were Butler and Indiana Central (now UIndy).  The bell literally sat in Franklin's Hamilton Library gathering dust from 1970-1989!       
Title: Re: FB: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2023, 04:00:45 PM
MSJ gave Wheaton a heck of a game but fell 41-34.

The only playoff wins for the HCAC remains: 2000 (Hanover), 2008 x2(Franklin), 2011 (Franklin), 2012 (Franklin), 2013 (Franklin)