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Yes, the WIAC does, and the OAC used to. I think OAC fans have higher standards than just being "better than the ASC."

so one conference has multiple "legitimate national championship contenders"?  Seems like the opposite of what Wally was saying. 

in the past 10 years, it looks like 4 conferences have had multiple teams in the semi's.  OAC (Mount/JCU), WIAC (UWW/UWO), CC (JHU/Mule) and MIAC (SJU/STU).

Nobody is saying that the OAC is rugged from top to bottom, but no conference is other than the public school league in Wisconsin.  The OAC, while down from its peak, is still better than most conferences

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For all Mt. Union fans making the trip to Doylestown this weekend - i hope this link comes through "ONLYINYOURSTATE.com" - a write-up for Doylestown.   

After watching the last two Raider Games, they were much sharper and executed better. The play calling and use
of personnel far exceeded the JCU and BW games. Agree, they may be the fastest team of the final 8. They
will need to play aggressive for all 4 quarters. If they play to their potential then a trip to Annapolis is very possible.
My worry is that of Aurora, that can win on Saturday. The question is will the NCAA allow a Mount host for the
semi-finals if the win on Saturday. :-\

oh of course, it all comes down to Strength of Schedule.  Those Middle Atlantic teams play such a harder schedule than the OAC, dont get me started on Wartburg.  Those Iowa teams are so much better than the Ohio teams, just check the numbers!

I can't comment on the average team from the Middle Atlantic, but the OAC has sucked as whole for quite a while now.  The heyday that we all remember of the Tom Arth JCU teams, Dan Larlham BW teams, Jamal Robertson/Jason Vagedas led ONU teams or the decade of Rocky Pentello at Capital are a distant memory.  It's been a long, long time since the OAC provided a team that was of Final 8 caliber other than Mount.  And that fact hasn't helped their preparation.

Excellent post.  I do think many cling to a romanticized version of the OAC that included legitimate national title contenders in addition to Mount Union, but it's been a long time since that's been the case.  I'd estimate approximately 1.2 Pentellos since the OAC was THAT league (excepting, of course, the moment of brilliance JCU had in 2016).  The OAC remains better than most, but not what it was 15 years ago.

how many conferences have multiple "legitimate national title contenders"?  The first round exiting WIAC? The ASC with Hardin Simmons who's never won a big game?  Wheaton has never been on that level for the CCIW.  I guess maybe the MIAC if you overlook St Johns yearly 2nd rd exit, has Bethel ever been a national title contender?.  Where are these conferences?  The OAC might not have multiple national title contenders but it sure as hell is better than the mighty, mighty MAC and their extremely high SOS

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Re Mount Union sent on the road:  As we all know, SOS is always going to be around .500 in a ten-team league.

But when you schedule Defiance as your one at-large game in a year when there were several out-of-conference tilts featuring two heavy hitters - well, it's understandable that the committee says "Uh, I don't think so."

The problem for Mount is that the PAC is going to zero non-conference games next year, so one border state isn't an option for OOC.  That leaves the MIAA, HCAC and NCAC for local OOC games (I can't imagine Mount paying to travel much more than the 500 miles).  The bottom half of those leagues aren't much better options for Mount than Defiance so that really narrows it down.  Maybe they could get back into the upstate NY area again.  If you look at Pat's open dates page (https://www.d3football.com/opendates/index) Albion looks like a good option for the next open date for Mount.  It'd be really great to swap out Defiance for one of the area teams with open dates next year, but I just dont know how likely that would be

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OK, this may be a stupid question and I will accept the abuse, but how does the NCAA calculate SoS?  I don't see it anywhere on the NCAA website.  The various rating sites have their own methods such that, on the Massey, MUC has the 22th toughest SoS and DelVal is the 110th.  But via the LazIndex, DelVar is much tougher at 0.445 vs UMU at .510.

Pat?

Massey uses his rankings of teams to calculate SOS, the NCAA uses winning % only.  The NCAA SOS would be the only one that says Del Val has played a better schedule, but that's the only one that matters (Mount has a higher SOS in the LazIndex as well)

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Saw in the Rep’s HS hoops preview McKinley star PG Jahlil Graham mentioned as “Mount Union recruit”.  1st team All-Fed, 3rd team D1 All-Ohio as a junior last yr.  Fuline has it cooking in Alliance.

36 points isn't a bad way to start your sr year

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For all Mt. Union fans making the trip to Doylestown this weekend - i hope this link comes through "ONLYINYOURSTATE.com" - a write-up for Doylestown.   

After watching the last two Raider Games, they were much sharper and executed better. The play calling and use
of personnel far exceeded the JCU and BW games. Agree, they may be the fastest team of the final 8. They
will need to play aggressive for all 4 quarters. If they play to their potential then a trip to Annapolis is very possible.
My worry is that of Aurora, that can win on Saturday. The question is will the NCAA allow a Mount host for the
semi-finals if the win on Saturday. :-\

oh of course, it all comes down to Strength of Schedule.  Those Middle Atlantic teams play such a harder schedule than the OAC, dont get me started on Wartburg.  Those Iowa teams are so much better than the Ohio teams, just check the numbers!

I can't comment on the average team from the Middle Atlantic, but the OAC has sucked as whole for quite a while now.  The heyday that we all remember of the Tom Arth JCU teams, Dan Larlham BW teams, Jamal Robertson/Jason Vagedas led ONU teams or the decade of Rocky Pentello at Capital are a distant memory.  It's been a long, long time since the OAC provided a team that was of Final 8 caliber other than Mount.  And that fact hasn't helped their preparation.

the OAC is down 100%, but JCU/BW/Berg would run through the MAC.  btw, JCU was in the final four in '16

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For all Mt. Union fans making the trip to Doylestown this weekend - i hope this link comes through "ONLYINYOURSTATE.com" - a write-up for Doylestown.   

After watching the last two Raider Games, they were much sharper and executed better. The play calling and use
of personnel far exceeded the JCU and BW games. Agree, they may be the fastest team of the final 8. They
will need to play aggressive for all 4 quarters. If they play to their potential then a trip to Annapolis is very possible.
My worry is that of Aurora, that can win on Saturday. The question is will the NCAA allow a Mount host for the
semi-finals if the win on Saturday. :-\

oh of course, it all comes down to Strength of Schedule.  Those Middle Atlantic teams play such a harder schedule than the OAC, dont get me started on Wartburg.  Those Iowa teams are so much better than the Ohio teams, just check the numbers!

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DV "losing their head" would be 15-20 penalties, they give every opponent 10/100 yards.  Not a good recipe to beat a "cheesed off" Mount Union.  Mount took their foot off of the gas up by 3 scores in the fourth against JCU and BW, I really hope that this travel situation keeps the pedal to the metal until the Del Val personal fouls start piling up late

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Region 7 men's basketball / Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 09:57:37 am »
Mount's too low

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 05:28:55 pm »
Kind of cherry-picking your stats there as Del Val also played Westminster.

THE Westminster?!?!?  well, I stand corrected.  Delaware Valley played one of history's toughest schedules and to be unbeaten after playing such powerhouses as...Kings? and Stevenson? is truly incredible

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 03:48:44 pm »
The Mount Union site also says the game is in Doylestown, PA..... WOW...I don't know which one was worse. Last year NCC at Mount our this one??

I might be biased, but sending Mount to DelVal is at least based on the criteria (DVU’s SOS is significantly higher); last year was the committee rerunning numbers and reranking, which they weren’t supposed to do.

I’m sure the Raiders will be plenty motivated.

They are both silly.  NCC should have hosted last year and Del Val should be bussing to Alliance.  Not a whole lot teams in 10 school conferences can do with SOS, it's going to be around .500.  Yes Defiance stinks but they finished with the same record as mighty Montclair St on the Del Val out of conference schedule. 

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 02:09:39 pm »
A road game stinks but it might be just the spark the team needs.  Not a lot of opportunities to use "Mount against the World" and play the disrespect card when you're the greatest dynasty college football has ever seen, but it seems appropriate now

Poor Delaware Valley

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 12:25:55 pm »
   In D3's latest playoff bracket they have Mount traveling to Del Valley. Thoughts

Pat's high

gotta be a typo, Mount's going to beat Del Val by a billion if they have to travel

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 12:23:06 pm »
Del Val ranks 239th in the nation in penalty yards per game and 240th in penalties per game....there are 240 teams in D3.  100 yards per game in penalties is not a great recipe to pull the upset in Alliance.  Keep your cool Raiders and get out of the game after 3 quarters

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 26, 2022, 06:42:47 pm »
Just like last week, the play calling was well balanced, Oline gave Plunk time to throw and guys were getting open. The best part to me is that they didn't rely on Ruby (which he looks like he's getting closer to himself). Special teams looked different, in a good way,  with the change to the kicker. Last year many people saw what happens when your punter isn't a plus and hurt field position.

Defense looked good getting pressure, but that QB didn't seem very mobile. Del Valleys QB appears to be able to run and throw well. I hope they find ways to get negative plays and turnovers. Should be a good game and I hope our crowd shows up!

Mount has been getting a little more and more healthy.  A punter that isn't kicking 9 and 15 yard boots in the semis should be an upgrade

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