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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 30, 2022, 04:06:10 pm »
Yes, the WIAC does, and the OAC used to. I think OAC fans have higher standards than just being "better than the ASC."

so one conference has multiple "legitimate national championship contenders"?  Seems like the opposite of what Wally was saying. 

What I said is that the OAC doesn't meet that criteria and hasn't for over a decade.  I made no assertions about other conferences currently. 

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 30, 2022, 02:45:38 pm »
For all Mt. Union fans making the trip to Doylestown this weekend - i hope this link comes through "ONLYINYOURSTATE.com" - a write-up for Doylestown.   

After watching the last two Raider Games, they were much sharper and executed better. The play calling and use
of personnel far exceeded the JCU and BW games. Agree, they may be the fastest team of the final 8. They
will need to play aggressive for all 4 quarters. If they play to their potential then a trip to Annapolis is very possible.
My worry is that of Aurora, that can win on Saturday. The question is will the NCAA allow a Mount host for the
semi-finals if the win on Saturday. :-\

oh of course, it all comes down to Strength of Schedule.  Those Middle Atlantic teams play such a harder schedule than the OAC, dont get me started on Wartburg.  Those Iowa teams are so much better than the Ohio teams, just check the numbers!

I can't comment on the average team from the Middle Atlantic, but the OAC has sucked as whole for quite a while now.  The heyday that we all remember of the Tom Arth JCU teams, Dan Larlham BW teams, Jamal Robertson/Jason Vagedas led ONU teams or the decade of Rocky Pentello at Capital are a distant memory.  It's been a long, long time since the OAC provided a team that was of Final 8 caliber other than Mount.  And that fact hasn't helped their preparation.

Excellent post.  I do think many cling to a romanticized version of the OAC that included legitimate national title contenders in addition to Mount Union, but it's been a long time since that's been the case.  I'd estimate approximately 1.2 Pentellos since the OAC was THAT league (excepting, of course, the moment of brilliance JCU had in 2016).  The OAC remains better than most, but not what it was 15 years ago.

how many conferences have multiple "legitimate national title contenders"?  The first round exiting WIAC? The ASC with Hardin Simmons who's never won a big game?  Wheaton has never been on that level for the CCIW.  I guess maybe the MIAC if you overlook St Johns yearly 2nd rd exit, has Bethel ever been a national title contender?.  Where are these conferences?  The OAC might not have multiple national title contenders but it sure as hell is better than the mighty, mighty MAC and their extremely high SOS

The SOS situation isn't about the OAC or the MAC.  Our rankings are clear about which is the stronger conference.  But that's not the exercise that informed the correct decision to have Delaware Valley host the game.  It's Mount Union's numbers compared to Delaware Valley's numbers.  DVU's numbers are clearly superior.  You can disagree with the metrics- I've been very public about how awful the NCAA's SOS metric is- but the committee used the tools they are allowed to use and came to the correct decision.  The surprise was that they actually applied the criteria equally to Mount Union instead of giving Mount Union what has been a customary pass on their substandard selection/seeding criteria. 

I highly recommend getting out of the OAC cocoon and watching some games from elsewhere.  Or you can watch Mount Union exclusively.  Also totally fine, but you're missing a ton of context and perspective if you're going to continue to press the idea that the OAC is rugged from 1-10 or even from 1-5 and is entitled to special treatment.  It isn't and it hasn't been for years.   

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Region 4 football (Great Lakes-ish) / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: November 30, 2022, 02:00:14 pm »
For all Mt. Union fans making the trip to Doylestown this weekend - i hope this link comes through "ONLYINYOURSTATE.com" - a write-up for Doylestown.   

After watching the last two Raider Games, they were much sharper and executed better. The play calling and use
of personnel far exceeded the JCU and BW games. Agree, they may be the fastest team of the final 8. They
will need to play aggressive for all 4 quarters. If they play to their potential then a trip to Annapolis is very possible.
My worry is that of Aurora, that can win on Saturday. The question is will the NCAA allow a Mount host for the
semi-finals if the win on Saturday. :-\

oh of course, it all comes down to Strength of Schedule.  Those Middle Atlantic teams play such a harder schedule than the OAC, dont get me started on Wartburg.  Those Iowa teams are so much better than the Ohio teams, just check the numbers!

I can't comment on the average team from the Middle Atlantic, but the OAC has sucked as whole for quite a while now.  The heyday that we all remember of the Tom Arth JCU teams, Dan Larlham BW teams, Jamal Robertson/Jason Vagedas led ONU teams or the decade of Rocky Pentello at Capital are a distant memory.  It's been a long, long time since the OAC provided a team that was of Final 8 caliber other than Mount.  And that fact hasn't helped their preparation.

Excellent post.  I do think many cling to a romanticized version of the OAC that included legitimate national title contenders in addition to Mount Union, but it's been a long time since that's been the case.  I'd estimate approximately 1.2 Pentellos since the OAC was THAT league (excepting, of course, the moment of brilliance JCU had in 2016).  The OAC remains better than most, but not what it was 15 years ago. 

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Joey Kidder gets Greg's Game Ball on the Podcast.

He earned it!

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Jim Zebrowski makes $250,000 (base) at Kansas.  Nobody takes a 60% pay cut on purpose in this business. 

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Region 2 football (New York and Pennsylvania-ish) / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 18, 2022, 02:13:12 pm »
PS:  The world's scariest D3 stat:  North Central has a mere 12 seniors.

#statoftheweek

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Lots of records associated with this year’s North Central football team, but here is one of the possibly more bizarre ones.

In this past Saturday’s 63-3 win over Augie, senior backup (in name only) RB Terrence Hill had 216 yards rushing, and 3 TDs, on only seven rushes. That’s an absolutely insane average of 30.9 yards per rush. Can’t help but think Terrence would be starting at 99.9% of other schools.

 :o

Mercy.  It has to be so deflating to see Greenfield run off for a breather and KNOW that absolutely nothing just got easier for your defense, if even for a couple of plays.

Not to diminish Terrence Hill, who is an outstanding RB but the POY in the CCIW is actually the NCC offensive line. I have seen a lot of great ones nationally in my time (UWW, Mt Union, UMHB, Linfield, St Johns, etc) and in terms of run blocking, this one is right up there with the best. That's why you can hand it to almost anybody and they will average 6 yds a carry.

If there is going to be a team that beats NCC it will have to be one with an elite front 7 on defense because these guys absolutely maul people. One of the most physical offensive lines I have ever seen at D3 level. I thought last years NCC OL was great, this one is better. That said, UMHB matched up with them and we soon found out about NCC's kryptonite. It's gonna take every bit of that kind of talent on a defensive front to stop this NCC team.

If you look at the very short list of teams that might have this- UMHB, UWW, UWL, maybe Linfield, maybe UMU, maybe St. John's, maybe Wartburg, maybe Del Val (taking just defense here and expanding a bit to make the point)- only UMHB and Linfield are on NCC's half, and one or both will be eliminated before they see NCC.  What an incredible thing to have happened here that North Central got totally isolated from the pile of great teams not that far from them geographically.  It would be hard to hand pick a better path for them. 

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Huge giant rumor from the SCIAC, Whittier College is dropping football.  The SCIAC may implode in the coming weeks/months.

The Whittier defensive coordinator appears to confirm this on twitter (assuming we can trust twitter anymore)

https://twitter.com/coachkage/status/1592234090182635520?s=20&t=cJUbbk68PNPi8uFzE52lAQ

I wonder if other schools have secretly been on the fence about cancelling football as well. This could drive them to pull the trigger too. Scheduling games outside of conference play was already difficult, and losing Whittier just adds to it.

Double round robin? Huh? Who wouldn't love that? 

That isn't likely and I definitely don't advocate for it, but the non-con games vs. conference opponents probably aren't going away now. 

The ASC is going to be down to 6 (or fewer) teams very soon also, so maybe some Week 5/6 scheduling opportunities there between a couple of conferences that will have a common need. 

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Lots of records associated with this year’s North Central football team, but here is one of the possibly more bizarre ones.

In this past Saturday’s 63-3 win over Augie, senior backup (in name only) RB Terrence Hill had 216 yards rushing, and 3 TDs, on only seven rushes. That’s an absolutely insane average of 30.9 yards per rush. Can’t help but think Terrence would be starting at 99.9% of other schools.

 :o

Mercy.  It has to be so deflating to see Greenfield run off for a breather and KNOW that absolutely nothing just got easier for your defense, if even for a couple of plays. 

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True enough.  A combination of a very strong DPU D and a great game plan, and an off-day for the Wabash QB.  Thompson struggled all day against the Tiger pass rush, and then had to play from behind, which forced him into uncharacteristic mistakes.  After DPU drove down the field on their first possession, Wabash needed to respond, if for no other reason than to make DePauw think that their D would struggle.  Instead, after a good drive, Wabash fumbled in the Red Zone.  From that point on, the LGs were never really into the game.  Credit DPU for what they did on Saturday against an offense I did not think they could contain.

I thought Wabash had really good momentum out of halftime.  There was a long way to go, obviously, but 2nd and 1 at the DPU 23 turned into a pick 6 on a panic throw away attempt and that was that.  A sack there makes it what, 3rd and 6 or so?  That's not a bad spot for that offense with two downs to get those yards.  If that drive cashes in, it's 28-14 and it starts to feel like a here we go again situation on the other sideline. 

Great plan and execution though by DePauw.  They're in a good position to advance again this weekend, I think. 

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I don't know about y'all but the afternoon before the Bell Game is always a pretty unproductive time for me. I've just been watching Monon Memories on Youtube so far. I've also been wondering how my clove vodka is doing. . .

A tradition unlike any other.  :)

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Jay Hood???

Good grief, I'm a dodo.  Rory Mannering is DePauw's DC.  That's the guy. 

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My probably over-simplified preview for the 128th Monon Bell Classic is:

I kind of think the whole game is between Liam Thompson and DPU DC Jay Hood.  Hood is either going to figure out a way to infiltrate the matrix that Liam is currently playing in and force him into a few INTs and win the Monon Bell OR Liam is going to stay in the zone he's been in and have one of the best individual games in series history and Wabash will retain.  There are some subplots here that could impact the result (maybe a score from the specials or something like that), but basically it's about Jay Hood figuring out how to deal with the nation's leader in total offense. 

Forgot to add this in initially.  Liam Thompson's numbers through the third first half interception against Denison:
75-114 (65.8%) 1101 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT

and numbers after that third INT vs. Denison:
153-195 (78.5%) 2252 yards, 22 TD, 1 INT

He was very good through that first half vs. Denison.  He's been unbelievable from the second half of Denison forward. 

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DePauw with the 72-0 win over Oberlin to make a statement. Nothing like running hurry up and scoring 35 points in the second half all while passing in the fourth quarter. Has Wabash even scored 35 points combined in the second half of games against the OWU, Hiram, Oberlin, and Kenyon combined?

Seems like two different mindsets.

Just noticed that this game was played with 12 minute quarters which doesn't seem like a great sign for the state of Yeomen football at the moment.  I hope they're able to fortify that roster with a good recruiting class so that they can get back to playing full 60 minute games. 

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DePauw is just getting it while they can.

Also, seems a little surreal that Witt has to play an 0-6 first year program in order to be .500!

The last time Wittenberg lost four conference games was 1954. 

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