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Too many years ago to count Central essentially lost both the first and second string QBs the same day. Starting QB found out he had a hairline fracture of the vertebrae in the neck before loading the bus to go to Simpson and second string QB played entire second half with a broken jaw. Happened to be the last game of the season. We went into the playoffs on a Pool C bid having lost that last game on a mixed extra point, but being rated all season. I couldn’t talk anyone into going to the game against Concordia-MN because without a QB nobody gave us a prayer of winning. Our defense was our strong suit and I figured if they couldn’t score, we couldn’t lose. Our FR QB threw 3 passes, one incompletion and 2 interceptions. But the defense held the first half. We ran the opening kickoff of the second half back for a TD and won 7-0. Then we beat UWW and Augustana (the king of DIii at the time) and lost in the Stagg Bowl to Ithaca.

A week of practice, knowing who the starter will be will help. It didn’t help us in that first game, but then we moved a WR to QB. It worked wonders. You don’t have any WRs who were QBs in HS do you? Aurora won’t be easy. I thought you were susceptible to the pass after you played Central, but it looks like you may have fixed that. Keep believing. Keep hanging close and then make something happen.

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Kiko I think UWO would be second or third most years in the ARC and UWP would be third through 5th most years. Basing that on UWO team scores against Stout and LaCrosse who Wartburg beat this year and how close both Central and Coe played Wartburg. Also based on Central’s OT win against them in 2019 and Central’s similar win against Wartburg that year. UWO is good, but I don’t see them beating both of us. Plattville I think would not fair as well based on up and down performance.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 28, 2022, 06:36:30 pm »
My opinion is not changed on the issue of 2 teams at 4-3 being in the top 25 over some of the top contenders in ALL the other conferences in the nation.

Make a case for "some of the top contenders in ALL the other conferences in the nation" based on what their resume looked like in Week 8.
I should have said some of the top contenders in SOME of the conferences. I was trying to emphasize that I didn’t mean ARC specifically. I also have to admit I don’t follow the other conferences enough to make my case. So I will just give in and repeat that my opinion is not the popular one and may be wrong even though I still feel that way.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 28, 2022, 06:11:12 pm »
I shouldn't raise this issue again (Pat Coleman doesn't like it), but I must because it's an issue so germane to the discussion about competitiveness in and between conferences -- and the issue is 5th-year players.  The Wisconsin (WIAC) conference teams are full of 5th-year players every year, partly just because the tuition is so heavily subsidized by the state.  While ARC colleges take great pride in graduating very high percentages in four years, that's not the case everywhere.  I know there are always a lot of 5th-year players in the Northwest Conference.  Covid changed all that for other conferences, including the ARC -- and, frankly, the reason Wartburg is so damn good this year is because of a bevy of 5th-year players.  Central will tell you the same thing was true for them last year.  Once the "Covid players" have graduated in the ARC we will return to "normal" -- and that's not very competitive with the WIAC.  So, the WIAC colleges have many thousands of students, are highly subsidized by the state, and as a practice allow/encourage students to take five year to exhaust their eligibility.  It's not a level playing field.  "Never was"...and soon won't be again.
Agree with that. When everyone was saying if those schools were in the ARC how would they do and my thought was not very well. They would have to pay high tuition, would have about 1/5 of the students at best, etc. look at the private colleges in WI, they aren’t competing at that level, but have the same recruiting base area. Central was definitely great last year because of 5th year players. Wartburg is clearly benefiting from their 5th year players this year. Until Covid we only had a rare 5th year player like Mark Kacmarynski when he broke his leg against Wartburg his senior season.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 28, 2022, 02:38:41 pm »
I can’t recall the score of the Coe/Wartburg game, but it was very close, maybe 14-9?, just a week before Wartburg beat LaCrosse. Dubuque lost to LaCrosse 30-3. They may have held their own against the 4-3 teams. I don’t know, that’s why they play the games. I do think part of the reason the WIAC teams all seam so close in talent is because they know each other so well. That happens within conferences note Bethel-SJU, Wheaton-North Central, Wartburg-Central, etc.

I acknowledge for the last time (5th, 6th, whatever) the strength top to bottom of the WIAC. My opinion is not changed on the issue of 2 teams at 4-3 being in the top 25 over some of the top contenders in ALL the other conferences in the nation. Yes it is hindsight that the WIAC lost in the first round. My statement was can we get away from 5 WIAC teams being rated in the top 25. That’s it. My opinion may not be popular, and may be wrong, but I have the right to it.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 28, 2022, 10:18:15 am »
Thanks Bleed Purple. Again, absolutely no disagreement that the WIAC top to bottom is the strongest conference even if it might have been a down year. That was never my issue. I didn’t have an issue with three teams in the top 25 either as Central has played a number of WIAC teams in the NCAA playoffs with a 3-5 record against them. I just didn’t think 5 teams in the top 25 was valid when 2 of them were 4-3. If you put those 4-3 teams against 4-3 teams from other conferences the WIAC teams would probably win all of those games. But to say they were better than the top 1 or two teams from all other conferences was my point.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 28, 2022, 05:46:45 am »
For the record, I never said the ARC or any other conference was better than or equal to the WIAC. What I said, and stand by, is that five WIAC teams in the top 25, two of whom were 4-3, was more than deserved. Pat said that if you consistently played and consistently won, you deserved the ranking. I disagreed that winning consistently was a 4-3 record. Then it changed to playing a top 50 or top 100 team weekly you would lose a few. I have no problem with the idea that the WIAC teams are mostly top 50 and definitely top 100. My issue was 5 being top 25 in a year when the two top teams lost in the first round to lower ranked teams. Even the top conference can have a down year. I was shocked too that both teams got knocked out in round one.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:09:55 pm »
If your No. 3, No. 4 and No. 5 teams go out, consistently play teams, and consistently win, then they may well get ranked as well.
I guess consistently winning is where we differ in opinion. Week 8 had five WIAC teams in the top 25. Two of which had 4-3 records. Is that consistently winning or every other week losing?

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Central and Wartburg are tired of playing WIAC teams the first round every time we get in the playoffs too.

To be fair, this happened to Central three times in the 20-plus years of the five-round playoff.
This has happened to Wartburg two times in the 20-plus years of the five-round playoff.
There’s the problem, I’ve been around longer than that, so it seems more often because you missed some.  ;D

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 27, 2022, 01:17:07 pm »
Never thought we would have an NACC vs ARC matchup for a spot in the semis but here we are. Going to be interesting to see how Wartburg's D can contain Aurora's offense which is firing on all cylinders right now.
Now that these two lower ranked teams knocked out the WIAC in the first round and went on to a quarterfinal pairing can we please get past having 5 WIAC teams in the top 25? Maybe get better first round pairing? Though what are they going to do give us Wheaton or North Central?

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This season is not only great for this 2022 AU roster and all the alumni that came before, but for all NACC teams going forward. Now maybe our AQs won't be paired with the Wisconsin Whitewaters and St John's every first round. Maybe the playoff committee will give us some east coast teams to play in the years to come  ;D
Hello from the ARC, Central fan here, as much as I normally take joy in seeing Wartburg lose, I want them to win for the same reason. Central and Wartburg are tired of playing WIAC teams the first round every time we get in the playoffs too. The “joy” of geography right? Good luck to both teams on Saturday. At least one of the two will move on to the semifinals and hopefully get some much deserved credit/recognition for their conference. Congratulations on knocking out Whitewater.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 26, 2022, 04:11:35 pm »
Congratulations to Wartburg on the win! Way to prove me wrong about not having what Central had last year.  Couldn’t watch or listen, but I checked in from time to time while at a birthday party.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 23, 2022, 01:09:54 pm »
I want to wish a happy thanksgiving to all of you. For those traveling this weekend, stay safe and be ready to enjoy a Saturday cheering on your team, or someone’s team.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 20, 2022, 11:25:01 am »
Good thoughts DD. UD scheduled tough games for their non-conference games. I wish Central would do more if that. I kind of discounted Coe much of the season based on the loss to Hope, a religious sister school of Central’s. I love Hope, but felt Coe should have won that game.

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Region 5 football (Central-ish) / Re: FB: American Rivers Conference
« on: November 19, 2022, 07:12:52 pm »
“Ryan: Wartburg. Not shocking considering my previous answer. Any WIAC team is going to pose a particularly stiff challenge at this point in the season, and Wartburg’s ARC is generally in a down year. The Knights are set up to be the second-highest ranked team to have a one-and-done playoff run.”

I am curious how other ARC posters feel on this one? Also why Ryan feels that the ARC was down this year. Central was down to the extent that we had 3 losses compared to an undefeated season last year. As mentioned in prior posts, non of the other teams could touch us last year, so even saying that the losses were all by one score doesn’t ease that. Plus last year’s team with a Gagliardi winner, 5 All Americans and a ton of school records was a very special team.

But was the ARC down or have some of the middle teams improved enough to be classified as top tier instead of middle tier? We have usually had top tier, middle tier and bottom tier. I think the gap between top and bottom has widened as we are seeing more games with one team scoring north of 60 points more frequently and it isn’t just Wartburg and Central putting those scores up. I feel like we have maybe moved from top, middle, bottom to top and bottom. There is still a pecking order there that may shift a bit in both the top and bottom, but It feels different. Or does the fact that Central lost 3 games skew my perspective?

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