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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2005, 11:26:08 pm »
AO--
You just pointed out NWC stacking up against the teams who have been the worst in the MIAC over the last 6 years.  You are 3-2 versus Ham and Car since 1999 and 0-4 against my alma mater MAC--a team deemed unable to compete in the MIAC. 

NWC finishing in the middle of the MIAC?  C'mon man.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2005, 11:42:44 pm »
AO, pretty easy to pick those teams as contenders in the MIAC when  UMM just got beat by Hamline, who is picked to finish DEAD LAST in the MIAC by not only the unofficial poster poll for the MIAC, but by the coaches as well.  Hamline held Morris to -13 yards rushing.  Yet the four picked above UMM in the UMAC coaches' poll would be middle of the pack in the MIAC? You are something else!

I have asked about the other contenders in the UMAC and I have not heard you mention the quality squads besides NWC in the UMAC.  Why again will NWC beat Martin Luther?  Can Morris win the UMAC as a darkhorse?  How much knowledge do you have of your own conference? 

Do you really think that SJU came out with the same intensity against NWC like they did against UWEC? 

And it was your coach who put the frosh qb in-- not injury, but your coach believed he would be a better fit against the Johnnies.  a 50 point difference later, do you think he made the right choice?
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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2005, 11:59:02 pm »
You have said it yourselves, Northwestern has been beating Carleton, Hamline and it would be a pretty major upset if we did not beat Macalester this year.  Beating carleton and Hamline would put us near the middle of the MIAC as Gustavus had only 2 wins last year and finished in 6th place so seemingly we could finish with a mere 2 wins and finish 6th out of 10.  And as far as the UMAC is concerned, we did not win the UMAC last year, so there is more talent out there besides Northwestern.

The other option for a quarterback wasn't much better as far as experience goes, so I don't know if that played a huge factor in the decision to go with the quarterback who a has a little better running ability.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #78 on: September 13, 2005, 12:14:59 am »
NWC wouldn't finish in the middle of the pack in the Lake Conference or even the Central Lakes conferece.




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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2005, 02:35:13 am »
AO- a combined 3-6 against MAC, Hamline and Carleton since 1999 does not make you middle of the MIAC. It makes you dead last in most years and second to last the rest of them.  Considering that NWC has been at or near the top of the UMAC since that time does not exactly advance your claim.

GAC nearly beat #23 Wheaton (in nearly beat I mean holding a lead in the fourth quarter, not tied or down by two scores in the second quarter).  NWC lost at home by 50 to the number 9 team in the country and SJU turned the ball over 5 times.  Middle of the MIAC pack?  Tell that to St. Olaf or St. Thomas!

If the other QB wasn't much better, how come you continue to make the excuse that you started a new QB and that makes a difference?  Kofoed alone almost beat UWEC in his first quarter last year as a frosh...
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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2005, 08:54:02 am »
David and Goliath could have agrued for a while too fellas. Reality is that SJU is a perrenial powerhouse. If teams want to get better you hvae to play better teams. I remember taking a whoopin from # 9 in the country DII Valdosta State as a sophmore. That is what will help build your program. When you get whooped admit it find the silver lining, but don't talk smack about a team that has more playoff appearences than your schools best single season record.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2005, 09:32:59 am »
esq_  the macalester losses were in the 80s, not post 1999.  3-2 not 3-6.  and i'm not smack talking the Johnnies, I'm building up the Eagles.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2005, 10:33:13 am »
Yeah, Hamline has been 14-47 overall, 8-43 MIAC since 1999 and Carleton has been 5-15 overall, 2-14 MIAC since 2003 (sorry, that's as far back as I could find).  Real "middle of the pack" in the MIAC.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2005, 11:51:58 am »
OAS,
Why no mention of the UMAC in your Around the Region?


They are a middle of the pack conference after all!
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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #84 on: September 13, 2005, 12:27:14 pm »
My mistake, AO.  I misunderstood OAS and should have done the research (thanks, AJ  >:( )

Duff, Carleton has been 4-47 in the MIAC since 1999.  Ouch.

Since 1999, NWC has been 3-4 against MIAC opponents for a 43% winning percentage (and that is playing Carleton and Hamline a total of 5 times and SJU twice). Meanwhile, the 5th place team in the MIAC has posted a 31-20 record in conference (61%)  and a 37-23 (62%)  record overall since 1999.   And that means  playing more than just Hamline and Carleton-- having to beat two out of Augsburg, St. Olaf, St. Thomas and Gustavus to put you in that spot.  Any of those teams will certainly give SJU a good quarter and keep it close.

Keep in mind that SJUers don't mind UMACers playing MIAC squads.  Play whomever you want.  What bothers us is equating a winning record over Carleton and Hamline to regular success over UST, STO, or GAC.  If you follow MIAC football you would know that the two do not go hand-in-hand. 
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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #85 on: September 13, 2005, 12:36:10 pm »
AO,

Please, get over it already.  NWC put up a good fight.  For that you should be proud.
Build on that.

NWC was not competitive with SJU.  If SJU and NWC play 10 times, SJU wins 10 times.
Minimum margin of  victory being 40 points.

If St. John's came out with the same intensity as they did against UWEC the prior week it would have been difficult to keep the margin of victory below 100.

There are huge gaps in talent between football teams at all levels.  The gap between NWC and St. John's was clearly reflected by the 57-7 score.  Just the plain facts.  I for one hope NWC can close that gap in the future.  Makes it more fun for everyone.
   
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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #86 on: September 13, 2005, 03:50:24 pm »
What is everyone's thoughts/predictions for week 3?

Principia @ Northwestern
Blackburn @ Trinity Bible
Westminster @ MN-Morris
Rockford @ Crown
Maranatha @ Martin Luther

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2005, 06:16:03 pm »
You fellas are making all of my points for me.  The middle of the road teams in the MIAC normally do play St. John's much like Northwestern did.  St. Olaf, Augsburg, Gustavus and St. Thomas seem to play along with the Johnnies for a while before the game gets out of hand in the second half and the Johnnies win by 30 or 40.  I mean in a down year for St. John's last year, Bethel was not able to score aganst St. John's and lost 37-0.  Since Northwestern hasn't had a chance to play those four teams except for Augsburg in the early 90s, you can't really tell what the game would be like, but it sure would seem that Northwestern would compete.  Gustavus, by the way is my sleeper pick in the MIAC, the way their defense held Wheaton, I wouldn't be surprised if they beat Bethel and Saint John's or Concordia.  Anyways, I think it's about time we moved onto week 3.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2005, 06:43:40 pm »
AO, have you seen SJU play any other games except against NWC? 

It is absolutely clear that SJU did not take the game against NWC seriously.  Gags did not request tapes from NWC, apparently.  He started out the game in the press box on a beautiful day.  It was clear the team was responding to him by going through the motions themselves.  In spite of that, SJU still won by 50 points.  SJU scouts MIAC opponents (in terms of tapes-- whatever is allowed).  Even then, SJU does not win all its MIAC games by 30-40 points (though I wouldn't mind if we did).

By the way, it is clear you were not at that Bethel-SJU game.  SJU came out on a mission-- one of the only times they did that last year-- and played about as well a game as possible.   If you could take a score differential between teams and comparisons, you may find that SJU would beat Minnesota this year.  SJU could take SCSU most years, but the U of M?  I don't think so!

Anyway, NWC will beat Principia, Blackburn will start a new streak for Trinity, Westminster over the Cougars, Rockford over Crown, and Martin Luther over Maranatha.

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Re: Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2005, 06:52:28 pm »
If a team does not bring its best effort to the field for every play and against every opponent, they do not deserve to be thought of so well.  I have a hard time believing a team like SJU would make such a stupid mistake by underestimating an athletic Northwestern team.  You have no business playing the game if you can't get up to play on Saturday.  I believe they were up, Northwestern just made some better plays in the first half.  Don't blame your team for what we did to them.