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hopefan

#2505
Wash U is a consistent factor on the national level in women's D3hoops

Webster has pretty much dominated Women's basketball at the SLiAC level for the past half dozen years

These two schools are within 2 miles of each other...  the men's teams meet each year

Question with a smirk on my face....WHY DON'T THE LADIES PLAY EACH OTHER?

Is Webster nervous they may get beat badly.... or is Wash U nervous of an upset by the lightly regarded SLIAC  (as has occurred in Men's hoops)?
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

deiscanton

#2506
Halftime in 2 PM Eastern tip games-- Home team listed first

CWRU 26, NYU 46 (Halftime at 2:46 PM Eastern)

Caroline Peper leading NYU with a game high 17 points, while Belle Pellecchia has 13 points for the Violets.

Isabella Mills leading CWRU with a team high 11 points.

Carnegie Mellon 38, Brandeis 30  (Halftime at 3:01 PM Eastern)

deiscanton

#2507
Finals in 2 PM Eastern tip games-- Home team listed first

Case Western Reserve 44, NYU 82

Carnegie Mellon 85, Brandeis 61

deiscanton

Halftime in Midwest games--

UChicago 39, Rochester 35

Wash U 34, Emory 34

deiscanton

#2509
Final scores today in Midwest games-- Home team listed first

UChicago 87, Rochester 75

WashU 78, Emory 61

Wash U remains in sole possession of first place at 8-1 in the UAA.  NYU is in second place, one game back at 7-2 in the UAA; while UChicago is solely in third place, 6-3 in the UAA.

Mathematically out of the UAA race today,-- Brandeis and Carnegie Mellon. 

Next up, Wash U and UChicago head east for the Boston/New York trip.  UChicago plays at NYU on Friday, while Wash U will play at NYU on Sunday.   Both Wash U and UChicago will be heavily favored to win at Brandeis-- Wash U plays at the Auerbach Arena on Friday, while UChicago will play at the Auerbach Arena next Sunday.

deiscanton

#2510
Quote from: hopefan on February 04, 2023, 10:40:39 AM
Wash U is a consistent factor on the national level in women's D3hoops

Webster has pretty much dominated Women's basketball at the SLiAC level for the past half dozen years

These two schools are within 2 miles of each other...  the men's teams meet each year

Question with a smirk on my face....WHY DON'T THE LADIES PLAY EACH OTHER?

Is Webster nervous they may get beat badly.... or is Wash U nervous of an upset by the lightly regarded SLIAC  (as has occurred in Men's hoops)?

History of the Wash U vs Webster women's basketball series-- (BTW, Wash U and Webster are about 5 miles down Big Bend Blvd on Google maps-- the NCAA mileage calculator has the two schools 7 miles apart.    Fontbonne and Wash U are much closer, with the Fontbonne campus located at the corner of Wydown and Big Bend Blvds, directly across the street from the Wash U campus.)

Back when Wash U was coached by Nancy Fahey, the two teams did play each other on a regular/semi-regular basis.  The series started in the 1987-88 year and ended in the 2015-16 season.   During that time, Wash U and Webster played each other 17 times, with Wash U winning 16 of those 17 games-- most of them by huge margins.  The last time the Gorloks and the Bears played each other was in the 2015-16 season with Wash U winning that one by a score of 90-39.  The coach of the Gorloks at that time was the current head coach of the Gorloks, Jordan Olufson.

Webster's only win vs Wash U came in the 2004-05 season when the Gorloks defeated the Bears in the regular season by a score of 78-59.   However, Wash U got its revenge later that year when the two teams met in the first round of the NCAA DIII tournament in the last year that the tournament had a field of 50.  On March 2, 2005, Wash U won in the NCAA first round game vs Webster by a score of 62-35 before getting eliminated by Millikin in the second round a few days later.

BTW, that Webster win in 2004-05 is not the most famous win by a SLIAC team over the Wash U women's basketball team.   In the 2000-01 season, the Fontbonne Griffins ended Wash U's 81 game winning streak when the Griffins defeated Wash U at Mabee Gym by a score of 79-68.  The Wash U vs Fontbonne series is the most played series by a SLiAC women's basketball team vs Wash U to date with over 40 games played and Fontbonne only defeating Wash U 4 times in the history of the Griffins women's basketball program.

PS-- Greenville, a SLIAC team, defeated the Wash U women this season by a score of 79-70.  This season was the first time since 1982-83 (a/k/a the Gaye Kinnett era) that the Greenville Panthers defeated Wash U in a women's basketball game, and only the 6th time in the history of the Greenville Panthers women's basketball team overall.   Greenville won their first five meetings vs Wash U back when Wash U was coached by Gaye Kinnett, with two of those five wins occurring in the 1982-83 season.

hopefan

Quote from: deiscanton on February 05, 2023, 07:06:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 04, 2023, 10:40:39 AM
Wash U is a consistent factor on the national level in women's D3hoops

Webster has pretty much dominated Women's basketball at the SLiAC level for the past half dozen years

These two schools are within 2 miles of each other...  the men's teams meet each year

Question with a smirk on my face....WHY DON'T THE LADIES PLAY EACH OTHER?

Is Webster nervous they may get beat badly.... or is Wash U nervous of an upset by the lightly regarded SLIAC  (as has occurred in Men's hoops)?

History of the Wash U vs Webster women's basketball series-- (BTW, Wash U and Webster are about 5 miles down Big Bend Blvd on Google maps-- the NCAA mileage calculator has the two schools 7 miles apart.    Fontbonne and Wash U are much closer, with the Fontbonne campus located at the corner of Wydown and Big Bend Blvds, directly across the street from the Wash U campus.)

Back when Wash U was coached by Nancy Fahey, the two teams did play each other on a regular/semi-regular basis.  The series started in the 1987-88 year and ended in the 2015-16 season.   During that time, Wash U and Webster played each other 17 times, with Wash U winning 16 of those 17 games-- most of them by huge margins.  The last time the Gorloks and the Bears played each other was in the 2015-16 season with Wash U winning that one by a score of 90-39.  The coach of the Gorloks at that time was the current head coach of the Gorloks, Jordan Olufson.

Webster's only win vs Wash U came in the 2004-05 season when the Gorloks defeated the Bears in the regular season by a score of 78-59.   However, Wash U got its revenge later that year when the two teams met in the first round of the NCAA DIII tournament in the last year that the tournament had a field of 50.  On March 2, 2005, Wash U won in the NCAA first round game vs Webster by a score of 62-35 before getting eliminated by Millikin in the second round a few days later.

BTW, that Webster win in 2004-05 is not the most famous win by a SLIAC team over the Wash U women's basketball team.   In the 2000-01 season, the Fontbonne Griffins ended Wash U's 81 game winning streak when the Griffins defeated Wash U at Mabee Gym by a score of 79-68.  The Wash U vs Fontbonne series is the most played series by a SLiAC women's basketball team vs Wash U to date with over 40 games played and Fontbonne only defeating Wash U 4 times in the history of the Griffins women's basketball program.

PS-- Greenville, a SLIAC team, defeated the Wash U women this season by a score of 79-70.  This season was the first time since 1982-83 (a/k/a the Gaye Kinnett era) that the Greenville Panthers defeated Wash U in a women's basketball game, and only the 6th time in the history of the Greenville Panthers women's basketball team overall.   Greenville won their first five meetings vs Wash U back when Wash U was coached by Gaye Kinnett, with two of those five wins occurring in the 1982-83 season.

While I appreciate the history and geography, it doesn't address the question as to why Webster and Wash U don't play each other... note, while you show the history with Wash U swamping Webster, those games ended just before the Webster program improved dramatically.   Of course I don't expect you to have an answer, but it's out there as an interesting question... perhaps our 1-2 St. Louis punch (Yjack and WuPiffff) could pose the question to their contacts....
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

deiscanton

#2512
Of course, I would not know the answer as to why Wash U and Webster currently do not play each other in women's hoop.  That is a scheduling question that is best left to their current athletic departments.  That being said, I just wanted to give a history of the series, for background.

I will leave the question of non-conference scheduling of the two basketball programs to their respective athletic departments and anyone in the immediate Illinois/Missouri area who may have some pull in this.

PS-- hopefully the DIII Women's Basketball Committee can pair the two teams up as a first round game this year should both Wash U and Webster qualify.

scottiedawg

Quote from: deiscanton on February 06, 2023, 02:13:48 PM
PS-- hopefully the DIII Women's Basketball Committee can pair the two teams up as a first round game this year should both Wash U and Webster qualify.

Could totally happen!  I think WashU is currently a "#1 seed" but could end up as a "#2 seed" by Selection Sunday.  It's likely the only SLIAC representative will be the conference championship winner; and that winner should be about a "#3 seed".

deiscanton

With 3 games to play, Wash U and NYU are currently tied for first place at 9-2 in the UAA women's basketball standings. The co-leaders have split 1-1 in the season series vs each other, so the first tiebreaker cannot break this tie.   Wash U currently holds the advantage for the AQ based on the second tiebreaker, which is head to head between the co-leaders and the subsequent teams in the standings until the tie is broken.

Wash U is currently 1-0 vs third place team UChicago, which stands at 7-4 in the UAA.   NYU and UChicago split their season series, 1-1, while Wash U still has to play at UChicago on Saturday, February 25, 2023.

Should Wash U and NYU finish at 12-2 in the UAA, UChicago would at best finish 9-5 in the UAA, and Emory would at best finish 8-6 in the UAA.

In that scenario, Wash U would clinch the AQ on the second tiebreaker due to their 2-0 series sweep vs third place team UChicago vs NYU's 1-1 split vs UChicago.

Contrary to what the NYU student broadcasting crew stated today in their webcast, overall standings have never been used to break conference ties for AQ in either men's or women's basketball in the UAA.

deiscanton

#2515
I have been reading Riley Zayas on Twitter this afternoon trying to apply UAA tiebreaker rules to various scenarios involving Wash U and NYU-- exploring the scenario of what would happen if Wash U and NYU finish as UAA co-champions with an 11-3 mark in the UAA.

I would like to clear up one thing-- even if Wash U and NYU finish at 11-3 with Wash U losing at UChicago to finish their series with UChicago at 1-1, (similar to that of NYU at 1-1 vs UChicago), the second tiebreaker will still break the tie for the AQ since NYU and Wash U will have lost to different opponents.  It would depend on the order of finish of the subsequent teams.

Here is some info for potential tiebreaking scenarios right now.

Tiebreaker #2-- Results between co-leaders and subsequent finishers in the standings until the tie is broken.

Current third place team is UChicago.   Wash U is 1-0 vs UChicago right now, while NYU finished 1-1 vs UChicago.    Wash U currently has the advantage in tiebreaker #2 by virtue of not yet losing to UChicago.

Current fourth place team is Emory.  Wash U finished 2-0 vs Emory, while NYU is 1-0 vs Emory right now.

Tied for fifth place in the standings are Rochester and CWRU.  Wash U is 2-1 vs these 2 teams, while NYU is 3-0 vs these 2 teams.

Current seventh place team is Carnegie Mellon.  Wash U is 1-0 vs Carnegie Mellon, while NYU finished 2-0 vs Carnegie Mellon.

Current last place team is Brandeis.   Wash U finished 2-0 vs Brandeis, while NYU is 1-0 vs Brandeis.

Tiebreaker #3-- Better record in UAA conference road games.

  Non-conference games are not used in this tiebreaker scenario-- only UAA conference road games

Wash U is 4-2 in UAA conference road play (Lost at CWRU, lost at NYU).

NYU is 3-2 in UAA conference road play (Lost at UChicago, lost at Wash U).

Riley Zayas

Quote from: deiscanton on February 13, 2023, 06:11:51 PM
I have been reading Riley Zayas on Twitter this afternoon trying to apply UAA tiebreaker rules to various scenarios involving Wash U and NYU-- exploring the scenario of what would happen if Wash U and NYU finish as UAA co-champions with an 11-3 mark in the UAA.

I would like to clear up one thing-- even if Wash U and NYU finish at 11-3 with Wash U losing at UChicago to finish their series with UChicago at 1-1, (similar to that of NYU at 1-1 vs UChicago), the second tiebreaker will still break the tie for the AQ since NYU and Wash U will have lost to different opponents.  It would depend on the order of finish of the subsequent teams.

Here is some info for potential tiebreaking scenarios right now.

Tiebreaker #2-- Results between co-leaders and subsequent finishers in the standings until the tie is broken.

Current third place team is UChicago.   Wash U is 1-0 vs UChicago right now, while NYU finished 1-1 vs UChicago.    Wash U currently has the advantage in tiebreaker #2 by virtue of not yet losing to UChicago.

Current fourth place team is Emory.  Wash U finished 2-0 vs Emory, while NYU is 1-0 vs Emory right now.

Tied for fifth place in the standings are Rochester and CWRU.  Wash U is 2-1 vs these 2 teams, while NYU is 3-0 vs these 2 teams.

Current seventh place team is Carnegie Mellon.  Wash U is 1-0 vs Carnegie Mellon, while NYU finished 2-0 vs Carnegie Mellon.

Current last place team is Brandeis.   Wash U finished 2-0 vs Brandeis, while NYU is 1-0 vs Brandeis.

Tiebreaker #3-- Better record in UAA conference road games.

  Non-conference games are not used in this tiebreaker scenario-- only UAA conference road games

Wash U is 4-2 in UAA conference road play (Lost at CWRU, lost at NYU).

NYU is 3-2 in UAA conference road play (Lost at UChicago, lost at Wash U).

In case you didn't see my reply, thanks for correcting me! This was a short-sighted tweet on my part as I didn't think through all the scenarios for some reason. Appreciate you going through some of the possible scenarios and who has the advantage right now. Tiebreakers are not something we're used to in D3 since they're not used to determine the AQ in any conference except the UAA. Sometimes they'll decide conference tournament seeding but there's a lot more on the line here. I honestly won't be surprised to see WashU just win out and win the conference...we shall see!
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deiscanton

Women's regional rankings are out for this week:

d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023/women-regional-rankings-first

Rochester is #3 in Region III
NYU is #1 in Region IV
Emory is #3 in Region VI
Wash U is #2 in Region VIII
UChicago is #3 in Region VIII

deiscanton

#2518
Halftime in the 5:30 PM Eastern tip games--

NYU 28, Emory 24  (WOODPec, Atlanta, GA)

Brandeis 41, Rochester 40 (Louis Alexander Palestra, Rochester, NY)

deiscanton

#2519
End of third quarter in Atlanta, GA--

Emory 47, NYU 45

End of third quarter in Rochester, NY--

Rochester 60, Brandeis 51