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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2010, 04:18:24 pm »
From my experience, these D3baseball.com rankings are not too accurate as far as seeding goes when the regionals actually start, so dont take any of those rankings to heart

The regional rankings need to be recalculated daily to avoid the changes typically seen in the past since a lot can happen in a week.   Hopefully if the process can be reduplicated at D3baseball.com, this can be done automatically.

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2010, 04:20:59 pm »
Im just saying if the regionals started today, i bet half of the teams ranked wouldnt even make a regioanl and there are some teams not ranked that would

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2010, 04:24:29 pm »
Im just saying if the regionals started today, i bet half of the teams ranked wouldnt even make a regioanl and there are some teams not ranked that would

Without a doubt.   The most important information we get from the regional rankings is how the committee is thinking.  If it was just a pure math process then the regional rankings can be recreated daily.

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2010, 04:25:52 pm »
Biggest surprise for me--no Salisbury.

Salisbury was about 50th in our regional rankings just after the conference tournament and their loss to CNU probably put then below 15%.

Maybe, but LaGrange?


I'm with you on this one.  Salisbury is 21-8 (.724) with an SoS of .509 (#167).  LaGrange is 24-16 (.600) with an SoS of .519 (#126).
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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2010, 04:29:58 pm »
Mississippi College comes out #4 in the West despite a great record. I just don't think the SOS numbers should overcome that much difference in record. JMO.
West Region                   Region    Overall     SOS
1. Chapman                   20-4 ( 0.833)    25-8     0.570
2. Pomona-Pitzer           25-6 ( 0.806)    27-8     0.507
3. Linfield                   25-7 ( 0.781)    27-10    0.502
4. Mississippi College      28-4 ( 0.875)    32-7     0.476
5. Trinity (Texas)           28-6 ( 0.824)    32-7     0.474
6. Pacific Lutheran           23-7 ( 0.767)    30-7     0.471

NR Texas Tyler                 26-9 ( 0.743)    30-10   .513

Assuming SOS is that important, then what happened with ASC member Texas Tyler. Linfield and Pomona-Pitzer are both able to jump MS College, but Texas Tyler can't jump Trinity or Pacific Lutheran despite much larger differences in SOS and closer records.

Comparing Linfield and MC. Linfield's SOS is .026 better, but winning % .094 worse. That's fine if SOS is that important.
Compare Pacific Lutheran and Tyler. Tyler's SOS is .042 better and winning % only .024 worse, yet they don't get the jump. And with Trinity Tyler's SOS is .039 better and winning % .081 worse.

Don't understand that one. I agree with Jim the rankings are what committees are thinking, but it's hard not to see an apparent lack of consistency in those examples. Just can't understand Linfield ahead of MC at this point. Just frustrating.
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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2010, 04:31:20 pm »
Dont get too excited over this ranking.  ??? >:(

If you followed last year some teams in the 1st ranking were not selected and some that were not were. This is a moving target as always but  does give you insight on the thinking. Winning percentage does not look like it trumps SOS when winning percentages are close.
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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2010, 04:32:14 pm »
Mississippi College has one of the best regional winning percentages in the nation, is 2-1 against regionally ranked teams (should be 4-2 because Texas Tyler should be there), yet comes out #4 in the West. I just don't think the SOS numbers should overcome that much difference in record. JMO.
West Region                   Region    Overall     SOS
1. Chapman                   20-4 ( 0.833)    25-8     0.570
2. Pomona-Pitzer           25-6 ( 0.806)    27-8     0.507
3. Linfield                   25-7 ( 0.781)    27-10    0.502
4. Mississippi College      28-4 ( 0.875)    32-7     0.476
5. Trinity (Texas)           28-6 ( 0.824)    32-7     0.474
6. Pacific Lutheran           23-7 ( 0.767)    30-7     0.471

NR Texas Tyler                 26-9 ( 0.743)    30-10   .513

But assuming SOS is that important, then I would wonder what happened with ASC member Texas Tyler. If Linfield and Pomona-Pitzer are both able to jump MS College, then how does Pacific Lutheran or Trinity edge out Texas Tyler.

Comparing Linfield and MC. Linfield's SOS is .026 better, but winning % .095 worse. That's fine if SOS is that important.
Compare Pacific Lutheran and Tyler. Tyler's SOS is .042 better and winning % only .024 worse, yet they don't get the jump. And with Trinity Tyler's SOS is .039 better and winning % .081 worse.

Don't understand that one.

I agree totally..

What does an ASC team have to do to get locked into a bid? 32-1???????????

Miss is 28-4 and it looks like they will be on the outside if they lose 2 in the conference tourney.

We have seen this before, everyone.

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2010, 04:32:36 pm »
Biggest surprise for me--no Salisbury.

Salisbury was about 50th in our regional rankings just after the conference tournament and their loss to CNU probably put then below 15%.

Maybe, but LaGrange?


I'm with you on this one.  Salisbury is 21-8 (.724) with an SoS of .509 (#167).  LaGrange is 24-16 (.600) with an SoS of .519 (#126).

For that matter, where in the South is Huntingdon at 20-11 (.645) with an SoS of .538 (#66)?
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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2010, 04:40:12 pm »
Biggest surprise for me--no Salisbury.

Salisbury was about 50th in our regional rankings just after the conference tournament and their loss to CNU probably put then below 15%.

Maybe, but LaGrange?


I'm with you on this one.  Salisbury is 21-8 (.724) with an SoS of .509 (#167).  LaGrange is 24-16 (.600) with an SoS of .519 (#126).

For that matter, where in the South is Huntingdon at 20-11 (.645) with an SoS of .538 (#66)?

It does seem that for some teams, the committee has chosen to emphasize SOS, and for others, their W/L records.

There doesnt seem to be any consistent application of which one is more important

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2010, 04:58:17 pm »
A positive thought. I do applaud the NCAA for releasing the regional score reporting. That is a good move IMO and potentially will help fans understand the rankings, or possibly frustrate them even more.

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2010, 05:04:15 pm »

First 2010 NCAA regional rankings

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The NCAA Division III Baseball Committee has released its first 2010 regional poll. The committee has ranked the top 15 percent of eligible teams in each region. The following teams, with records through April 27, were included in this week’s regional poll. The next poll will be released May 6.

Central Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Buena Vista 18-10 18-10
2. St. Norbert 10-6 13-9
3. North Central (Ill.) 19-5 24-5
4. Carthage 12-8 17-11
5. Webster 21-1 26-7
6. North Park 18-9 22-11

Mid-Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Johns Hopkins 29-1 33-3
2. Alvernia 25-8 28-8
3. Kean 20-6 24-9
4. Widener 16-5 17-9
5. Rowan 18-9 20-12
6. DeSales 19-9 22-13
7. FDU-Florham 24-5 26-6
8. Keystone 20-6 22-6
9. Lebanon Valley 19-9 21-11

Mideast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Washington and Jefferson 21-3 24-6
2. Heidelberg 23-6 26-6
3. John Carroll 16-5 20-9
4. Wooster 27-6 31-7
5. Marietta 17-7 24-8
6. Adrian 19-7 23-9
7. Franklin 13-5 21-9

Midwest Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. UW-Whitewater 22-3 27-4
2. St. Thomas 20-4 21-5
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3
4. UW-Stevens Point 18-7 22-9
5. Concordia (Ill.) 21-5 25-8
6. Edgewood 16-10 19-11

New England Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Tufts 13-2 21-4
2. Wheaton (Mass.) 23-6 25-7
3. Westfield State 24-7 24-7
4. Curry 24-10 25-11
5. Western New England 26-8 28-8
6. Eastern Connecticut 19-8 24-9
7. Trinity (Conn.) 14-9 15-10
8. Amherst 15-9-1 15-10-1
9. WPI 21-10 21-10
10. Keene State 13-11-1 18-13-1

New York Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Cortland State 22-3-1 27-7-1
2. Skidmore 17-6 22-8
3. Plattsburgh State 18-7 28-8
4. Rochester 25-7 26-9
5. St. John Fisher 20-10 21-10
6. Staten Island 24-9 26-9

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Shenandoah 26-7 34-8
2. Mary Washington 19-9 24-10
3. Millsaps 23-12 25-15
4. Methodist 23-10 27-11
5. LaGrange 24-16 26-17
6. York (Pa.) 23-12 23-12

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Chapman 20-4 25-8
2. Pomona-Pitzer 25-6 27-8
3. Linfield 25-7 27-10
4. Mississippi College 28-4 32-7
5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
6. Pacific Lutheran 23-7 30-7

[Note: The above rankings do not guarantee a team's selection into the national championship.]

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2010, 05:05:20 pm »
Here is my BIGGEST problem with this whole system. You have teams that put together a schedule a year in advance. And going into the season they think they have a good schedule. Then when the teams that you thought were going to give you good numbers are down and not playing well, you take the hit. I think a number of regions are ignoring teams that are having a great seasons and ranking teams that are barely above .500 HIGH in some cases. The system seems to shake itself out in the end, but when you have to take into account wins vs regionally ranked opponents it has a meaning.

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2010, 07:19:20 pm »
I would suggest that anyone who wants to compare the regional rankings to that generated from the D3baseball.com and PrestoSports keep in mind that the period that the regional rankings for the NCAA is different than that posted on D3basedball.com.

Certainly any comparison will highlight errors in either list since nothing of this scale is entirely error free and please highlight these errors so atleast we can look at possible causes.
I claim the in-region records of these MW/C teams are incorrect in the Regional Rankings and Score Reporting Form. I admit I could be wrong, but I like my numbers more than the NCAA's. I got an error when I tried to access the Central SRF in the past hour, so this list may be incomplete (Jim, I passed this along to PC already). Perhaps the NCAA is making changes as I type.
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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2010, 07:24:19 pm »
hopkins is also 34-3......not 33-3...and was never 33-3.

They went from 32-3 to 34-3 in a DH....so this is not an issue of the timing of the rankings...

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Re: 2010 Regional Rankings
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2010, 07:24:48 pm »
A positive thought. I do applaud the NCAA for releasing the regional score reporting. That is a good move IMO and potentially will help fans understand the rankings, or possibly frustrate them even more.

Where is this??? I dont see it anywhere?