The South is so geographically dispersed that it is hard to assess the various teams. We are still four weeks away from the first release of the Regional Rankings.
I have started this thread to give us a chance to learn what is happening in the various conference races. As the Regional rankings are released, then we can comment on them. When the playoffs come, we can continue the discussions here, also.
Great idea. I hope the ASC gets some respect when the rankings do come out.
The ASC has one more weekend (1-2 games) of full inter-divisional crossover play.
On the East, UT-Dallas, UT-Tyler and LeTourneau have joined Mississippi College as the premier teams. UOzarks has four solid seniors, each of whom scored in double figures in a 82-79 loss. Even Louisiana College has a great contender for player of the year in Josh Johnson. Finally, ETBU lurks in the spoiler role.
Current records in the ASC-East... Key games are noted.
Team................ | Conf. | In-Reg | Overall | Key games |
1. LeTourneau | 6-0 | 7-1 | 8-3 | Loss to UWW 58-69; (1-2 vs. D2's). Hosts McM and HSU |
2T Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | 8-1 | 10-1 | Loss at McM 61-64; 2 wins over Austin Coll and Guilford 64-48; Hosts TLU and Schreiner |
2T Texas-Tyler | 5-1 | 5-2 | 5-6 | Loss to Guilford 66-75; Wins over McM 66-62 and at UMHB 78-68; hosts HPU, SRSU |
4T Miss. Coll | 3-3 | 5-3 | 7-3 | Loss at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71.Wins over Sewanee, Rust |
4T Ozarks | 3-3 | 4-3 | 5-6 | Win over Hendrix 64-61; Losses at CTX 87-91, at UMHB 69-83; at McM 79-82. |
6. E. Tex Bapt. | 2-4 | 4-4 | 5-6 | Wins over Austin Coll 79-65 and UDallas 64-53 |
7. La. College | 1-5 | 2-5 | 3-7 | Win over Millsaps 65-57 |
The ASC has not done as well versus the East this season. The West visits the East this weekend.
ASC West Key games are listed (Regular season games are usually Thurs/Sat)
Team................ | Conf. | In-Reg | Overall | Key games |
1. McMurry | 5-1 | 5-2 | 6-4 | Loss to N. Central IL 66-69 (n), loss at UTT 62-66. Plays at LeTU and at ETBU. |
2T UMHB | 3-3 | 5-5 | 5-5 | Loss at S'western 68-75, at Trinity 71-81, at LeTU 47-60; Losses to UTD 71-81 and UTT 68-78; Win over UWW 73-67; win over Lake Forest 98-43; at LaColl (1/8) and at Miss Coll (1/10) |
2T Concordia (CTX) | 3-3 | 3-3 | 4-6 | Non-reg win over WPI 86-85; plays at MissColl (1/8) and LaColl (1/10) |
4T Sul Ross St. (SRSU) | 3-5 | 3-5 | 3-8 | Plays at UTT on 1/10 |
4T Howard Payne (HPU) | 3-5 | 3-5 | 3-9 | Non-reg loss to Anderson 78-93 |
6T Hardin-Simmons (HSU) | 2-4 | 3-6 | 3-7 | Beat UDallas 75-62, loss to Austin College 56-79, S'Western 79-91 |
6T TX Luth. (TLU) | 2-4 | 2-4 | 2-7 | Non-reg. loss to Anderson 79-84 |
8. Schreiner | 1-5 | 1-7 | 1-8 | Loss at Trinity 66-77, at S'Western 41-58 |
SCAC West
Team......... | Conf | In-reg | Overall | Key games |
Trinity | 4-0 | 9-1 | 11-1 | In-region wins over UMHB and Hendrix; loss to UWSP. |
Hendrix | 2-1 | 4-2 | 8-3 | In-region losses to Ozarks and Trinity |
SCAC East
Team.......... | Conf | In-reg | Overall | Key games |
Oglethorpe | 2-1 | 5-2 | 9-3 | Split with Emory |
Centre | 2-1 | 6-3 | 8-3 | Loss to Transylvania |
DPU | 2-1 | 6-3 | 8-4 | Split with Wabash; Def. Franklin; Loss to Ohio Northern |
I looked at the ODAC.
Here are the best teams...
Team.......... | Conf....... | In-reg....... | Overall...... |
RMC | 3-0 | 7-0 | 8-3 |
EMU | 3-0 | 6-2 | 7-3 |
Roanoke | 2-0 | 5-1 | 10-1 |
Guilford | 1-0 | 7-2 | 8-2 |
W&L | 1-1 | 4-3 | 8-3 |
Top of the USA South, only NCWC seems to be close.
NCWC 0-0 / 4-1 / 9-2
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams. If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.
Team........... | Conference...... | in-reg....... | overall |
1 RMC | ODAC | 7-0 | 8-3 |
2 Trinity | SCAC-West | 9-1 | 11-1 |
3 UTD | ASC-East | 8-1 | 10-1 |
4 LeTU | ASC-East | 7-1 | 8-3 |
5 Roanoke | ODAC | 5-1 | 10-1 |
6 NCWC | USA South | 4-1 | 9-2 |
7 Guilford | ODAC | 7-2 | 8-2 |
8 EMU | ODAC | 6-2 | 7-3 |
Ralph, I'm not sure if Trinity's loss to UW-Stevens Point is an in-region loss. I had Trinity with a 6-0 record against other South Region Teams.
Quote from: Walter17 on January 08, 2009, 01:02:40 PM
Ralph, I'm not sure if Trinity's loss to UW-Stevens Point is an in-region loss. I had Trinity with a 6-0 record against other South Region Teams.
Yes, Trinity and UW-SP are in Administrative Region #4 (TX, OK, MO, IL, WI and westward.)
There are four components to "in-region".
1) New legislation (later this year) will automatically make conference games in-region in all sports. (This has been an issue in some sports for multi-region conferences.)
2) In the respective Evaluation Regions (TU is in the South).
3) The 200-mile radius rule.
4) Administrative Regions.
As always, check the
Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_mbasketball_handbook.pdf). ;)
Awesome, that clears things up. Thanks!
Quote from: Walter17 on January 08, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Awesome, that clears things up. Thanks!
Not nearly as much as dumping the increasingly irrelevant "in-region" v. "out-of-region" distinction. :P
Ralph, thanks for doing the homework and putting all of this together. This makes it easy for the rest of us junkies!
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
Ralph, thanks for doing the homework and putting all of this together. This makes it easy for the rest of us junkies!
Now all I need is for some posters from the east side of the region to start their comments! ;)
I don't know much about some of these teams. I've heard that LeTu is pretty tough this year. What's their story? I don't remember the last time LeTu was one of the top teams in the region.
Okay South Region fans, Trinity dodged a bullet at Southwestern tonight. >:(
TU 75, SU 73 (http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2008-2009/m13game.html)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 09:12:30 PM
Okay South Region fans, Trinity dodged a bullet at Southwestern tonight. >:(
TU 75, SU 73 (http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2008-2009/m13game.html)
The road is rarely easy in the SCAC even when its only 90 minutes away!
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams. If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.
Results thru Jan 10th... (Pending)
Team........... | Conf.... | In-reg.. | %age... | Overall.. | In-region losses |
1 RMC | ODAC | 9-0 | 1.000 | 10-3 | None |
2T Trinity | SCAC-W | 10-1 | .909 | 12-1 | UWSP 70-71 OT |
2T UTD | ASC-E | 10-1 | .909 | 12-1 | at McM 61-64 |
4 Roanoke | ODAC | 8-1 | .888 | 12-1 | Muskingum 79-83 OT (n) |
5 Guilford | ODAC | 9-2 | .818 | 10-2 | at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76 |
6T NCWC | USAC | 4-1 | .800 | 9-3 | at VWC 59-84 |
6T LeTU | ASC-E | 8-2 | .800 | 9-4 | UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65 |
8 McM | ASC-W | 7-2 | .778 | 8-4 | NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66 |
* | * | * | * | * | * |
"9T" Ogle | SCAC-E | 6-2 | .750 | 10-3 | at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64 |
"9T" UT-Tyler | ASC-E | 6-2 | .750 | 6-6 | Guilford 66-75 (n), at ConcordiaTX 83-98 |
X EMU | ODAC | 6-4 | .600 | 7-5 | Ferrum, CNU, W&L, Roanoke |
Corrections appreciated.
EDIT:
Thanks to the Oglethorpe fan who called to my attention the correct in-region record. (I always appreciate fans double-checking my work. It is all about getting it right!)
Oglethorpe's in-region wins -- Emory, Maryville TN, LaGrange, DPU, Rhodes, Sewanee.
Oglethorpe's in-region losses -- Emory, Centre
Oglethorpe's non-region games -- Haverford (w), Swarthmore (w), Buffalo State (w), Pitt-Greenburg (w) Birmingham-Southern (2nd-year provisional -- w)
Corrections are greatly appreciated. :)
Cut and pasted from the Top 25 Board...
A word about the South region...
I have started a South Region Rankings and Playoff thread to tide us over until the Regional Rankings are released on February 4th. South Region Rankings and Playoffs
As I researched the rankings, I found these "criteria" gems. (W/L Records are listed by overall/ in-region/ conference.)
1) RMC (ODAC 10-3/9-0/4-0) undefeated in-region but non-region losses to W&J and DeSales. Has most of the "meat" of the ODAC schedule ahead of it, but RMC only plays Guilford, Roanoke and EMU once in conference play...easier than expected!
2) Trinity (SCAC-West 12-1/10-1/5-0) beat rival Southwestern on the road on Friday night; must go to Centre and DePauw but catches Oglethorpe at home (crossover single round robin). OT loss at home to UWSP in November, but has home win over ASC-West foe UMHB. TU might easily go 23-2 overall/20-2 in-region!
3) UTD (ASC-East 12-1/10-1/7-1) destroyed Guilford 64-48. That was the lowest Guilford offensive output that I could find this decade (corrections appreciated). The Comets play a beautiful brand of half-court ball. Very smart, mature players. They do not beat themselves. Have a crossover win over UMHB and a road loss to McMurry. The ASC-East is very tough and balanced this season. (ASC-East perennial power Mississippi College is tied for 4th this morning after crossover play!) I think that UTD will lose two road games in the East and go 10-2. The ASC-East winner hosts the 8-team post-season tourney! In-region record might go 20-3 and 22-3 overall.
4) Roanoke (ODAC 12-1/8-1/4-0) has an in-region split with Muskingum (OAC). Plays Guilford tomorrow night at home and goes to the Quakers on Jan 28th. Other ODAC games include hosting VWC and going to EMU whom they beat last night. Currently 12-1 overall /8-1 in-region /4-0 conference with 12 conference games remaining. ODAC fans...any prognostications on Roanoke in their next 12 games?
5) Guilford (ODAC 10-2/ 9-2/ 3-0 ) has an in-region win over UT-Tyler (neutral floor) and the loss at UT-Dallas. They also have a loss in December to NCWC, but wins over Averett, Greensboro and Methodist. The Quakers have a non-region win over McDaniel. The ODAC schedule includes the Roanoke game tomorrow night, the Roanoke road trip on Jan 28th, and at EMU on February 11th. Comments ODAC fans.
6T) NCWC (USAC 9-3/4-1/0-0) has 12 conference games to play. Their non-region losses include home loss 87-96 to St Vincent, and at mediocre Neumann, 71-73. NCWC lost to the Marlins at Virginia Wesleyan 59-84. The in-region wins include HSC, E&H, Guilford and Mary Washington. Who gets into the rankings from the USA South is still up for grabs, as USAC play begins on Tuesday.
6T) LeTourneau (ASC-E 9-4/8-2/7-1) is in a 3-way tie in the ASC-East. LETU has a very athletic team with in-region losses to UWW 58-69 and McMurry 63-65. The LeTU in-region (non-conference) win was over Lake Forest. The ASC-East is so strong that Mississippi College, who has an exhibition win over D-1 Alcorn State, is tied for fourth. ASC-East double round robin play begins this week. The one (UT-Dallas, LeTourneau, UT-Tyler or Mississippi College or even UOzarks) who earns the conference post-season tourney by winning the division will have been battle-tested.
8 ) McMurry (ASC-West 8-4/7-2/7-1) has a 3 game lead on UMHB (which beat UWW 73-67 in December) and Concordia-Austin in the ASC-West. Non-conference games were at D-1 UTSA and at D-1 Texas State and then in Las Vegas with a 66-69 in-region loss to CCIW's North Central and a win over St Vincent PA 82-78 (common opponent with NCWC). After a 3-3 start, McMurry has gone 5-1 (loss to D-1 Texas State). The in-region loss was at UT-Tyler in the 4th game of the season. McMurry has in-region wins over LeTU, UT-Dallas and Mississippi College. They have thirteen regular season games remaining. In the conference tourney, West #1 will open against East #4, which could be anyone of five strong teams.
Comments are appreciated.
Roanoke 80, Guilford 76 (http://www.roanoke.edu/athletics/mbball/0809box/rc-guil1.htm)
Roanoke's in-region is now 9-1 (.900).
Guilford drops to 9-3 (.750).
The ODAC should wreak some carnage!
Big games this weekend.
RMC won at E&H (1/17)
Trinity beat provisional BSC tonight 65-56; is winning at Rhodes on 1/17.
UTDallas (UTD) beat ETBU 76-61 last night; Beat LeTU on 1/17 60-59.
Roanoke has beaten Guilford and Bridgewater; Tied with W&L on 1/17.
Guilford lost to Roanoke 76-80 and beat E&H; Beat VWC on 1/17.
NCWC beat Roanoke Bible earlier this week; Lost to Shenandoah on 1/17.
LeTourneau (LeTU) beat UOzarks 80-70; lost at UT-D 59-60.
McMurry (McM) beat Texas Lutheran; beat Schreiner 93-87 OT
Oglethorpe beat Hendrix 80-77 tonight. Hosts Millsaps on Sunday.
Hey Ralph,
Talked to Patrick Stewart tonight. He said hello and only had good things to say about you. And I verified that he was one of the best hockey players to have lived in Abilene. Plattsburgh had a big win tonight(much needed) as they beat the conference leaders, Oneonta St 71-59.
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams. If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.
Results thru Jan 18th...
Team............. | Conf...... | In-reg.. | %age... | Overall.. | In-region losses |
1 RMC | ODAC | 11-0 | 1.000 | 12-3 | None |
2 UTD | ASC-E | 12-1 | .923 | 14-1 | at McM 61-64 |
3 Trinity | SCAC-W | 11-1 | .909 | 14-1 | UWSP 70-71 OT |
4T Roanoke | ODAC | 9-2 | .818 | 12-1 | Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68 |
4T McM | ASC-W | 9-2 | .818 | 10-4 | NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66 |
6 Ogle | SCAC-E | 8-2 | .800 | 12-3 | at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64 |
7 Guilford | ODAC | 11-3 | .785 | 12-3 | at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80 |
8T Centre | SCAC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 12-3 | Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78 |
8T DPU | SCAC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 12-4 | Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67 |
8T LeTU | ASC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 10-5 | UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65, at UTD 59-60 |
8T MissColl | ASC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 11-3 | at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71 |
* | * | * | * | * | * |
X NCWC | USAC | 4-2 | .667 | 10-4 | at VWC 59-84, Shenandoah 65-68 |
Corrections appreciated.
EDIT: Oglethorpe beat Millsaps on 1/18; DPU beat Colorado College on 1/18.
LEGEND: RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW = UW-Whitewater.
Corrections are greatly appreciated. :)
Edits in the loss column are thru games of Jan 21
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 02:31:09 PM
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams. If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.
Results thru Jan 18th...
Team............. | Conf...... | In-reg.. | %age... | Overall.. | In-region losses |
1 RMC | ODAC | 11-0 11-1 | 1.000 .917 | 12-3 12-4 | None at VWC 76-82 |
2 UTD | ASC-E | 12-1 12-2 | .923 .857 | 14-1 14-2 | at McM 61-64; UOz 66-68 |
3 Trinity | SCAC-W | 11-1 | .909 | 14-1 | UWSP 70-71 OT |
4 Roanoke | ODAC | 10-210-3 | .833.769 | 15-2 15-3 | Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68, lost to VWC 64-82 |
5 McM | ASC-W | 11-2 | .818.846 | 12-4 | NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66 |
6 Ogle | SCAC-E | 8-2 8-3 | .800.727 | 11-412-4 | at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64, at S'western 61-69 |
7 Guilford | ODAC | 11-3 11-4 | .785 .733 | 12-3 13-4 | at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80, at B'water 66-69 |
8T Centre | SCAC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 12-3 | Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78 |
8T DPU | SCAC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 12-4 | Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67 |
8T LeTU | ASC-E | 9-3 | .750 | 10-5 | UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65, at UTD 59-60 |
8T MissColl | ASC-E | 9-310-4 | .714 | 11-3 12-4 | at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71, ETBU 71-76 |
* | * | * | * | * | * |
X NCWC | USAC | 4-2 4-3 | .667.571 | 10-4 10-5 | at VWC 59-84, Shenandoah 65-68, at CNU 71-74 |
Corrections appreciated.
EDIT: Oglethorpe beat Millsaps on 1/18; DPU beat Colorado College on 1/18.
LEGEND: RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW = UW-Whitewater.
Corrections are greatly appreciated. :)
UTD is at UT-Tyler. Mississippi College hosts LeTU. McMurry hosts SRSU tonight.
UTD, MissColl and McM won tonight, Jan 22nd.
Jan 24th Roanoke lost to VWC 64-82; Mississippi College lost to ETBU 76-71.
- RMC and TU should have the same in-region %age at 11-1
- Roanoke can't be 12-1 overall if they are 9-2 in region
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
- Roanoke can't be 12-1 overall if they are 9-2 in region
After last night's win, Roanoke is 15-2 overall and 11-2 in region (if I have correctly divined the region).
Quote from: jeloesel on January 22, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
- Roanoke can't be 12-1 overall if they are 9-2 in region
After last night's win, Roanoke is 15-2 overall and 11-2 in region (if I have correctly divined the region).
Sorry about that!
Jeloesel, thanks. Roanoke only has 10 in-region wins. Goucher is not in the South Region.
RMC in-region wins include the ODAC wins plus Messiah (195.0 miles), Piedmont, Methodist and CNU. Frostburg (Great Lakes Region, Admin Region #1 and 232 miles away)
does not meet criteria. RMC is currently 10-1/12-4.
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams. If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.
Results thru Jan 25th...
Team............. | Conf...... | In-reg.. | %age... | Overall.. | In-region losses |
1 Trinity | SCAC-W | 13-1 | .928 | 16-1 | UWSP 70-71 OT |
2 RMC | ODAC | 12-1 | .917 | 13-4 | at VWC 76-82 |
3 UTD | ASC-E | 13-2 | .867 | 15-2 | at McM 61-64; UOz 66-68 |
4 McM | ASC-W | 11-2 | .846 | 12-4 | NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66 |
5 Centre | SCAC-E | 11-3 | .786 | 14-3 | Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78 |
6 Roanoke | ODAC | 10-3 | .769 | 15-3 | Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68, VWC 64-82 |
7 Guilford | ODAC | 11-4 | .733 | 13-4 | at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80, at B'water 66-69 |
8 CNU | USAC | 8-3 | .727 | 11-6 | at VWC 68-78, Roanoke 81-90, RMC 64-76 |
* | * | * | * | * | * |
9T DPU | SCAC-E | 10-4 | .714 | 13-5 | Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67, at Hendrix 67-78 |
9T LeTU | ASC-E | 10-4 | .714 | 11-6 | UWW 58-69 (n), McM 63-65, at UTD 59-60, at MissColl 68-75 |
9T MissColl | ASC-E | 10-4 | .714 | 12-4 | at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71, ETBU 71-76 |
x Ogle | SCAC-E | 8-4 | .667 | 12-5 | at Emory 83-89, Centre 59-64, at S'western 61-69, at Trinity 74-77 |
Corrections appreciated.
LEGEND: RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW = UW-Whitewater.
Corrections are greatly appreciated. :)
Feel free to copy and paste any updates!
EDIT: Oglethorpe has 8 in-region wins. (Birmingham-Southern is year #2 provisional.) Thanks to the OU partisan for catching that!
As CNU enters conference play, they begin to add to the win column, and in turn, to improve their in-region percentage!
CNU's having an in-region W/L of 16-3 (regular season) is possible.
Ralph, you've done a fantastic job with this. Hopefully as soon as the rankings come out, we get some great discussion on this.
It's great to see Trinity back at #1 in the South. It's been a few years since they were last up there. This weekend is a big regional weekend for Trinity as they visit #9 DePauw and #5 Centre.
Quote from: Walter17 on January 26, 2009, 11:20:03 AM
Ralph, you've done a fantastic job with this. Hopefully as soon as the rankings come out, we get some great discussion on this.
It's great to see Trinity back at #1 in the South. It's been a few years since they were last up there. This weekend is a big regional weekend for Trinity as they visit #9 DePauw and #5 Centre.
Thanks.
As it is looking, Trinity is in line to host first and second round games.
The rest of the South is chasing Trinity, especially the Pool A bid (and possible Pool C bid) from the ASC.
We might get 3-team bracket in this part of the country, if the ASC (other than Mississippi College gets a Pool C), i.e., Away/Home/Bye.
Looking at the Pool C "table" that is posted by pabegg, if everyone wins out, and UTD meets McMurry in the
ASC Finals, we might get a McMurry-UTD matchup on Thursday and the winner going to Trinity on Saturday.
As this is rolling out, I think that Centre needs to beat Trinity this week to stabilize their chances of a Pool C bid, if they don't win the SCAC tourney.
As pabegg has outlined, the first 10-13 Pool C bids go to strong teams that are runners-up in good conferences.
That leaves about 5-8 Pool C bids for strong teams that get upset by Cinderellas in their conference tourney.
What do Rust College chances look like 4 making the Playoffs at 10-8 with 6 games 2 go
Quote from: RustCollege on January 28, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
What do Rust College chances look like 4 making the Playoffs at 10-8 with 6 games 2 go
Looking at their schedule, slim and none and slim's headed out the door.
Quote from: RustCollege on January 28, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
What do Rust College chances look like 4 making the Playoffs at 10-8 with 6 games 2 go
Welcome RustCollege!
Rust is competing for a Pool B bid.
Here is the
Pool B board. (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1350)
Guilford 77, Roanoke 72. Equalizes the loss column. Guilford hosts RMC on Saturday.
RMC 79, W&L 66
Randolph beat HSC.
So far this week...
Last night in the ASC
at UMHB 73, McM 65 McM goes to Concordia-Tx in Austin on Sat
UTD 56 at LaCollege 40 UTD goes to Mississippi College on Sat
MissColl 84 UOzarks 80 MC hosts UTD on Sat.
Tonight in the SCAC
at DPU 61 Trinity 54; Trinity to Centre on Saturday night (DPU hosts Southwestern on Sunday afternoon)
Beginning on Feb 4th, the Regional Rankings will rank 8 South Region Teams. If we rank by in-region winning percentage, we get these 8 teams.
Results thru Feb 1st...
Team............. | Conf...... | In-reg.. | %age... | Overall.. | In-region losses |
1 UTD | ASC-E | 15-2 | .882 | 17-2 | at McM 61-64; UOz 66-68 |
2 Trinity | SCAC-W | 14-2 | .875 | 17-2 | UWSP 70-71 OT, at DPU 54-61 |
3 RMC | ODAC | 13-2 | .867 | 14-5 | at VWC 76-82, at Guilford 66-71 |
4 McM | ASC-W | 12-3 | .800 | 13-5 | NCent IL 66-69 (n), at UTTyler 62-66, at UMHB 67-73 |
5 Guilford | ODAC | 13-4 | .764 | 15-4 | at UTD 48-64, NCWC 55-76, at Roanoke 76-80, at B'water 66-69 |
6T Centre | SCAC-E | 12-4 | .750 | 15-4 | Transy 63-65, Piedmont 75-82, at DPU 74-78, Trinity 56-58 |
6T DPU | SCAC-E | 12-4 | .750 | 15-5 | Franklin 61-75 (n), at Wabash 52-57, at Ogle 63-67, at Hendrix 67-78 |
8 Roanoke | ODAC | 11-4 | .733 | 16-4 | Muskingum 79-83 OT (n), W&L 66-68, VWC 64-82, at Guilford 72-77 |
* | * | * | * | * | * |
X CNU | USAC | 9-4 | .692 | 12-7 | at VWC 68-78, Roanoke 81-90, RMC 64-76, at Meth 57-61 |
X MissColl | ASC-E | 11-5 | .688 | 13-5 | at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71, ETBU 71-76, UTD 63-72 |
Corrections appreciated.
LEGEND: RMC = Randolph-Macon; UTD = UT-Dallas; McM = McMurry; Ogle = Oglethorpe; DPU = DePauw; LeTU = LeTourneau; NCWC = North Carolina Wesleyan.; W&L = Washington & Lee; HPU = Howard Payne; HSU = Hardin-Simmons; Meth = Methodist; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan, UWW = UW-Whitewater.
Corrections are greatly appreciated. :)
Feel free to copy and paste any updates!
Last week's losses are in bold.
What would have to happen for Trinity to get home court through the sectionals? Is that even a possible scenario?
Not unless all the majority of teams are within driving distance of ol' TU. The NCAA places more importance on cost reduction than giving the top seed home games.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2009, 02:02:17 PM
Not unless all the majority of teams are within driving distance of ol' TU. The NCAA places more importance on cost reduction than giving the top seed home games.
Trinity can be the #1 seed in the entire tourney and only get a bye and a second round game out of the whole deal! >:(
I think that there will be one pod down here. Mississippi College is > 500 miles from Wash St Louis and Maryville MO, but is less than 500 miles to Oglethorpe and UTDallas.
As pabegg noted, Trinity UT-Dallas and McMurry can all connect by bus.
I anticipate 2 Pool A bids and maybe a Pool C bid. There may be a Pool B bid at Chapman to go with the SCIAC Pool A Bid. The NWC Pool A bid is also a travel orphan.
I should amend what I said earlier. If the NCAA has to fly everyone (or the same number of teams) regardless of the host site location, the higher seed will indeed host. That rarely happens here in the South Region, however, thanks to the 'pod' effect Ralph mentions.
TU is no risk to be the #1 overall seed in BB, but its men's soccer team has travelled as #1 overall seed thanks to this policy at least a couple of times over the years.
The NCAA's first regional rankings are out.
South
1. Trinity (Texas) 17-2 14-2
2. Texas-Dallas 17-2 15-2
3. Guilford 15-4 14-4
4. McMurry 13-5 12-3
5. Randolph-Macon 14-5 12-2
6. DePauw 15-5 12-4
7. Centre 15-4 12-4
8. LeTourneau 13-6 12-4
LeTU lost at ETBU in OT last night 87-74.
RMC beat Roanoke tonight 85-80.
Guilford won at Hampden-Sydney 62-56.
Ralph, how many more games do you think Trinity needs to win in order to safely say that they will have at least an at-large bid? I was thinking 3 out of their last 4 games.
Quote from: Walter17 on February 09, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
Ralph, how many more games do you think Trinity needs to win in order to safely say that they will have at least an at-large bid? I was thinking 3 out of their last 4 games.
Walter, McMurry dropped from "C4" to "C19" and from #19 to #45 overall with two losses to UMHB, no slouch of a team.
As I look at the Pool C bids, I think that Trinity can go 3-1 in the regular season and 2-1 in the tourney and still sneak into Pool C. TU is currently #15 (down from #14 two weeks ago) in the rankings.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on February 09, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
Ralph, how many more games do you think Trinity needs to win in order to safely say that they will have at least an at-large bid? I was thinking 3 out of their last 4 games.
Walter, McMurry dropped from "C4" to "C19" and from #19 to #45 overall with two losses to UMHB, no slouch of a team.
As I look at the Pool C bids, I think that Trinity can go 3-1 in the regular season and 2-1 in the tourney and still sneak into Pool C. TU is currently #15 (down from #14 two weeks ago) in the rankings.
Do you want to speculate on Centre as well, Ralph? DePauw is probably Centre's potential biggest obstacle to making the post season in a Pool C classification. One of these teams will be left behind I would image. If Centre wins out the remainder of the regular season, and gets to the final of the SCAC tournament, what do you think?
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 09, 2009, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on February 09, 2009, 10:26:05 AM
Ralph, how many more games do you think Trinity needs to win in order to safely say that they will have at least an at-large bid? I was thinking 3 out of their last 4 games.
Walter, McMurry dropped from "C4" to "C19" and from #19 to #45 overall with two losses to UMHB, no slouch of a team.
As I look at the Pool C bids, I think that Trinity can go 3-1 in the regular season and 2-1 in the tourney and still sneak into Pool C. TU is currently #15 (down from #14 two weeks ago) in the rankings.
Do you want to speculate on Centre as well, Ralph? DePauw is probably Centre's potential biggest obstacle to making the post season in a Pool C classification. One of these teams will be left behind I would image. If Centre wins out the remainder of the regular season, and gets to the final of the SCAC tournament, what do you think?
I will go on record now.
I think that Centre earns a Pool C bid, if they win the last 3 regular season games, and then lose in the tourney finals.
When will the new rankings come out?
They finally came out this morning (even tho the release says the 11th):
South Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Trinity (Texas) 19-2 16-2
2. Texas-Dallas 18-3 16-3
3. Guilford 17-4 16-4
4. McMurry 15-6 14-4
5. Randolph-Macon 16-5 14-2
6. DePauw 17-5 13-4
7. Centre 17-4 13-4
8. Mississippi College 15-5 13-5
They came out yesterday -- we had them on the site around 4 p.m.
South Region Overall Record In-Region Record (This week's outcomes)
1. Trinity (Texas) 19-2 16-2 (20-3 17-3 Lost at Millsaps; won at Hendrix in OT)
2. Texas-Dallas 18-3 16-3 (20-3 18-3 Won at UOzarks; beat UT-Tyler)
3. Guilford 17-4 16-4 (19-4 18-4 Won at EMU; won at Lynchburg)
4. McMurry 15-6 14-4 (16-7 15-5 Lost at SRSU; won at HPU)
5. Randolph-Macon 16-5 14-2 (18-5 16-2; Won at Bridgewater; beat VWC)
6. DePauw 17-5 13-4 (17-6 13-5; Lost at Centre)
7. Centre 17-4 13-4 (18-4 14-4; Beat DPU)
8. Mississippi College 15-5 13-5 (17-5 15-5; Won at LeTU won at ETBU)
Updated thru 2/14
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/18/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2-3/
Looks like UTD stepped into first, barely a game ahead of Trinity.
South Region Rankings of February 18th
South Region
1. Texas-Dallas 20-3 18-3 21-4 19-4 Lost at ETBU 58-74; won at LeTU 66-59. #1 ASC-East seed. Hosts ASC tourney
2. Trinity (Texas) 20-3 17-3 21-3 18-3 Beat ColoColl 75-64; hosts Austin Coll on 2/22. Clinched SCAC-West #1 seed
3. Guilford 19-4 18-4 21-4 20-4 Won at E&J 77-68; beat Randolph 68-52. #1 ODAC seed.
4. Randolph-Macon 19-5 17-2 20-5 18-2; won at H-SC 69-67. #2 ODAC Seed.
5. Centre 18-4 14-4 19-4 15-4; Beat Sewanee 65-35; hosts Oglethorpe. Can clinch SCAC #1-East seed
6. McMurry 16-7 15-5 18-7 17-5; Won at TLU 69-54; won at Schreiner 97-78. Clinched #1 ASC-West seed.
7. DePauw 17-6 13-5 18-6 14-5; Beat Oglethorpe 85-58; hosts Sewanee. Has clinched SCAC-East #2 seed.
8. Mississippi College 17-5 15-5 18-6 16-6; Beat LaColl 95-84, lost to UT-Tyler 84-73. #2 ASC-East seed.
Corrections are always appreciated. Thanks to Ron Boerger for proofreading this! +1!
South | REG | CONF | RESULTS |
Trinity (Texas) | 19-3 | SCAC | Plays Sewanee in SCAC quarters on Fri. |
Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | ASC | Plays Sul Ross State in ASC quarters on Fri. Plays UMHB |
Guilford | 20-4 | ODAC | Lost to Washington and Lee in ODAC quarters on Fri. |
Randolph-Macon | 18-2 | ODAC | Lost to Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC quarters on Fri. |
Centre | 16-4 | SCAC | Plays Austin in SCAC quarters on Fri. |
McMurry | 17-5 | ASC | Plays Texas-Tyler in ASC quarters on Fri. Plays MissColl |
DePauw | 15-5 | SCAC | Lost to Southwestern in SCAC quarters on Fri. |
Roanoke | 14-6 | ODAC | Lost to Hampden-Sydney in ODAC quarters on Fri. |
| | | |
No way the 3rd place team in the SCAC (a quarterfinal loser) is in the tourney. Maryville College wins its last 16 STRAIGHT with a youth movement after playing nine of first 11 on the road. Scots are a perennial tourney invite and this year should be no different. 16 straight wins to end the season should get you in.
Randolph Macon loses to Virginia Wesleyan in conference quarters. Roanoke loses to Hampden-Sydney in conference quarters. FYI posters. MARYVILLE COLLEGE beats Virginia Wesleyan and Hampden-Sydney this year. This season. With a bunch of freshman and sophs. Maryville College has won 16 straight. MC is in.
Quote from: Big Dog on February 28, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
No way the 3rd place team in the SCAC (a quarterfinal loser) is in the tourney. Maryville College wins its last 16 STRAIGHT with a youth movement after playing nine of first 11 on the road. Scots are a perennial tourney invite and this year should be no different. 16 straight wins to end the season should get you in.
Welcome to the boards.
The FAQ on the front page gives the mechanism by which Maryville can earn a Pool b bid.
Averett's win over CNU helps Maryville TN. That might be the little extra that the committee needs in the criteria.
16 straight wins is not one of the criteria that the Handbook designates.
I always encourage fans to look at the Handbook.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_mbasketball_handbook.pdf
Thru Sat February 28th.
South | REG | CONF | RESULTS |
Trinity (Texas) | 19-3 | SCAC | Beat Sewanee in QF, Lost to Southwestern in Semis |
Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | ASC | Beat SRSU and UMHB. Plays MissColl in finals. |
Guilford | 20-4 | ODAC | Lost to Washington and Lee in QF |
Randolph-Macon | 18-2 | ODAC | Lost to Virginia Wesleyan in QF |
Centre | 16-4 | SCAC | Beat Austin Coll in QF; plays Hendrix |
McMurry | 17-5 | ASC | Plays Texas-Tyler QF, Lost to MissColl in Semis |
DePauw | 15-5 | SCAC | Lost to Southwestern in QF |
Roanoke | 14-6 | ODAC | Lost to Hampden-Sydney in QF |
| | | |
Thanks for the post Ralph. Sad to see that 16 straight wins is not a criteria for being in. Maryville's win over Averett is reflective of the youth movement this Scots team had. In the past Maryville has been upperclassmen heavy and were early season road warriors. Once our freshman got acclimated this was a good team-NCAA worthy. I appreciate your post and will check out the criteria.
Quote from: Big Dog on February 28, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
Thanks for the post Ralph. Sad to see that 16 straight wins is not a criteria for being in. Maryville's win over Averett is reflective of the youth movement this Scots team had. In the past Maryville has been upperclassmen heavy and were early season road warriors. Once our freshman got acclimated this was a good team-NCAA worthy. I appreciate your post and will check out the criteria.
I emailed a big time, well-known, greatly admired, Scots fan that Averett's winning, combined with all of the losses in the South Region, makes for some interesting changes.
I think that Maryville might even sneak into the 8th slot of the regional rankings.
I need pabegg to do his most recent run. (The GSAC competition does not help the Strength of Schedule numbers.)
Guilford, Randy Mac, Depauw and Roanoke, all of you should be staying home. Losing in your conference quarters illustrates your level TODAY in comparison to tournament ready teams. Those guys aren't playing in the Big East. Those teams needed to win one game to get in and they could not. Those four teams got what they deserved-a SEASON ENDING LOSS. Hard to believe we are saying sneak in when Maryville has won SIXTEEN straight.
Quote from: Big Dog on February 28, 2009, 08:15:49 PM
Guilford, Randy Mac, Depauw and Roanoke, all of you should be staying home. Losing in your conference quarters illustrates your level TODAY in comparison to tournament ready teams. Those guys aren't playing in the Big East. Those teams needed to win one game to get in and they could not. Those four teams got what they deserved-a SEASON ENDING LOSS. Hard to believe we are saying sneak in when Maryville has won SIXTEEN straight.
The difference between D1 and D3 is that the last ten games is not used as a primary criteria in D3.
A game in November counts the same as a game in February.
Ralph, I coached in both the D-3 and D-1 tournaments, and I can tell you that teams that win sixteen straight are more prepared for the post season than a team that can't win in a conference quarterfinal. I mentioned the Big East only as a reference point in that the SCAC and ODAC aren't power conferences. Maryville has gone ON THE ROAD in the NCAA TOURNEY and beaten conference champions from both these leagues under the Lambert watch. A loss in November may count the same as a loss in February, but not to anyone who has ever had a young team that got better and better and won their last sixteen straight with freshman and sophomores. Guilford, Randy Mac, Depauw, Roanoke, had the easiest road into the tourney. They did not take care of business and no way should their season's be extended when they can't win a conference quarterfinal game. I may be a loss, but it says a great deal about a teams readiness and sense of urgency when they can't win a first round confreence tourney game. I'm sorry-those guys need to call Panama City and get a condo. Spring break for them started with a first round conference tourney loss.
Big Dog,
You may or may not be right in the abstract, but you are definitely wrong by d3 selection criteria. Despite the potential for abuse, I'd like to see somewhat more 'subjectivity' in the selections, but the criteria are fairly specific. When you win, by how much you win - these are irrelevant.
IMO DePauw and Roanoke are toast, Randy Mac is bubble, but Guilford is fairly safe for a C. Though the way presumed AQs are falling, even the Quakers may get bumped by higher-rated upset victims.
Mr. Ypsi,
I agree. Depauw and Roanoke will be building sand castles. Mcmurray loses their slot by falling to Miss College. Randy Mac I agree is bubbling-while Guilford-if they are the best ODAC after the AQ, should get in. The criteria is fairly specific, but when coaches are involved subjectivity, at some point, and basketball knowledge, will come into play. To act like Southwestern might get in with a 7-8 conference record is absurd. If Southwestern wins the AQ, Trinity should join the Ballers Gone Wild Spring Break for non-NCAA tourney teams. Nice post.
Big Dog
Well, Big, since you think so lowly of Trinity, you'll be happy to know that your Maryville crew will have a chance to eliminate them in the first round this Thursday. San Antonio is lovely this time of year.
Trinity is a great school-fine university. One of the nation's best. The Scots belonged in the dance just as much as Trinity. If you noticed my post, it said "If Southwestern wins the AQ," and of course they did not as they lost to the Centre. No way three SCAC teams deserved to dance-just infeasible as we both know Centre and Trinity are the best of that league-and they both are in. Maryville College has played Trinity before in the NCAA tourney, and traveling for the Scots is no big deal. Far better to be in San Antonio this time of year than in any other place MC could have landed. Look forward to being in San Antonio to see the Tigers for the first time since the Charlie Brock days. Thanks for your post.
Big Dog
Final score in 2009, Trinity 68, Maryville 64.
Box score attached (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/statistics/ncaa01.htm).
South Region teams are in five pods.
Upper Right
Wheaton IL at UMHB winner to UT-Dallas.
Lower Right
Richard Stockton vs VWC at St Mary's MD; winner plays St Mary's MD vs. Purchase winner.
RMC vs Cabrini at Albright. Winner plays Albright vs Clark winner.
Lower Left
Guilford hosts CNU. Winner plays winner of Maryville TN vs. JCU
EMU hosts Centre. Winner plays Wilmingotn vs Lycoming.
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
From the Handbook
Selection Criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process. [Note Once ranked, always "ranked".]
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.
Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-
11), a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are
to be combined on a weighted scalre (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for
OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.
Home/Away Multiplier. A multiplier of 1.4 shall be added to the OWP for those
games played away from home. In addition, the same multiplier (1.4) shall be included
for those games played on the road for the OOWP. A multiplier of 1/0 (no positive
or negative effect) will be included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A
multiplier of 0.6 shall be included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games.
Regional rankings thru Week #3.
Rankings #1 February 2nd (Thru games of Jan 30.)
South Region (First appearance in Rankings is designated in Bold
1 Virginia Wesleyan 18-1 14-1
2 Randolph-Macon 17-3 15-3
3 Ferrum 18-2 16-2
4 Centre 15-3 13-3
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 15-4
6 Texas-Dallas 14-5 13-4
7 Emory 14-4 14-4
8 East Texas Baptist 13-5 12-5
Rankings #2 February 9 (Thru games of Feb 6.)
South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 19-1 16-1
2 Randolph-Macon 19-3 17-3
3 Ferrum 19-2 16-2
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-4 17-4
5 Texas-Dallas 16-5 15-4
6 Emory 16-4 15-4
7 Centre 15-4 13-4
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 15-6 10-4
Rankings #3. Feb. 16 (Thru games of Feb 13.)
South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 17-2 20-2
2 Randolph-Macon 18-4 20-4
3 Ferrum 18-3 21-3
4 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-5
5 Emory 17-4 18-4
6 Centre 15-4 17-4
7 North Carolina Wesleyan 12-4 17-6
8 Eastern Mennonite 12-4 18-4
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
From the Handbook
Selection Criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/
selection process. [Note Once ranked, always "ranked".]
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.
Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-
11), a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are
to be combined on a weighted scalre (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for
OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.
Home/Away Multiplier. A multiplier of 1.4 shall be added to the OWP for those
games played away from home. In addition, the same multiplier (1.4) shall be included
for those games played on the road for the OOWP. A multiplier of 1/0 (no positive
or negative effect) will be included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A
multiplier of 0.6 shall be included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games.
Regional rankings thru Week #3.
Rankings #1 February 2nd (Thru games of Jan 30.)
South Region (First appearance in Rankings is designated in Bold
1 Virginia Wesleyan 18-1 14-1
2 Randolph-Macon 17-3 15-3
3 Ferrum 18-2 16-2
4 Centre 15-3 13-3
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 15-4
6 Texas-Dallas 14-5 13-4
7 Emory 14-4 14-4
8 East Texas Baptist 13-5 12-5
Rankings #2 February 9 (Thru games of Feb 6.)
South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 19-1 16-1
2 Randolph-Macon 19-3 17-3
3 Ferrum 19-2 16-2
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-4 17-4
5 Texas-Dallas 16-5 15-4
6 Emory 16-4 15-4
7 Centre 15-4 13-4
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 15-6 10-4
Rankings #3. Feb. 16 (Thru games of Feb 13.)
South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 17-2 20-2
2 Randolph-Macon 18-4 20-4
3 Ferrum 18-3 21-3
4 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-5
5 Emory 17-4 18-4
6 Centre 15-4 17-4
7 North Carolina Wesleyan 12-4 17-6
8 Eastern Mennonite 12-4 18-4
Rankings #4 Through games of Feb. 20th.
South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3 ODAC
2 Randolph-Macon 20-4 21-4 ODAC
3 Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5 ASC-East
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4 USA South
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4 ODAC
6 North Carolina Wesleyan 14-4 19-6 USA South
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6 ASC-West
8 Emory 18-5 19-5 UAA (Pool C)
(No new teams in the regional rankings.)
Rankings #1 February 2nd (Thru games of Jan 30.)
South Region (First appearance in Rankings is designated in Bold
1 Virginia Wesleyan 18-1 14-1
2 Randolph-Macon 17-3 15-3
3 Ferrum 18-2 16-2
4 Centre 15-3 13-3
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 15-4
6 Texas-Dallas 14-5 13-4
7 Emory 14-4 14-4
8 East Texas Baptist 13-5 12-5
Rankings #2 February 9 (Thru games of Feb 6.)
South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 19-1 16-1
2 Randolph-Macon 19-3 17-3
3 Ferrum 19-2 16-2
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-4 17-4
5 Texas-Dallas 16-5 15-4
6 Emory 16-4 15-4
7 Centre 15-4 13-4
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 15-6 10-4
Rankings #3. Feb. 16 (Thru games of Feb 13.)
South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 17-2 20-2
2 Randolph-Macon 18-4 20-4
3 Ferrum 18-3 21-3
4 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-5
5 Emory 17-4 18-4
6 Centre 15-4 17-4
7 North Carolina Wesleyan 12-4 17-6
8 Eastern Mennonite 12-4 18-4
Rankings #4 Through games of Feb. 20th.
South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3 ODAC
2 Randolph-Macon 20-4 21-4 ODAC
3 Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5 ASC-East
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4 USA South
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4 ODAC
6 North Carolina Wesleyan 14-4 19-6 USA South
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6 ASC-West
8 Emory 18-5 19-5 UAA (Pool C)
FINAL RANKINGS
South
1 Virginia Wesleyan 23-4 21-4
2 Randolph-Macon 24-4 23-4
3 McMurry 20-6 21-7
4 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-7 21-7
5 Texas-Dallas 20-5 21-6
6 Ferrum 20-5 23-5
7 Eastern Mennonite 16-5 22-5
8 North Carolina Wesleyan 16-4 21-6
South
1 Hampden-Sydney 17-2 21-2 ODAC Pool A
2 Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 20-3 ASC Pool A
3 Emory 15-6 15-6 UAA Pool C
4 Virginia Wesleyan 14-5 17-6 ODAC Pool C
5 Concordia (Texas) 16-4 18-5 ASC Pool C
6 Christopher Newport 14-5 15-5 USA South Pool A
7 Randolph 13-4 19-4 ODAC Pool C
8 Texas-Dallas 17-6 17-6 ASC Pool C
Not ranked: Trinity (SCAC) which is currently tied with Colorado College (10-3). They play on 2/15 in SAT.
If we (the South) are to get 2 Pool C bids, it looks like that CTX must win the tourney to get in.
Emory is looking strong for a Pool C. They have 4 games remaining, including one with Rochester.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2013, 06:39:01 PM
If we (the South) are to get 2 Pool C bids, it looks like that CTX must win the tourney to get in.
Emory is looking strong for a Pool C. They have 4 games remaining, including one with Rochester.
Seems like there would likely be 3 Pool C bids from the South, if CTX wins their tourney .... VWC/HSC, Emory, and MH-B. ??
Quote from: algernon on February 18, 2013, 06:20:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2013, 06:39:01 PM
If we (the South) are to get 2 Pool C bids, it looks like that CTX must win the tourney to get in.
Emory is looking strong for a Pool C. They have 4 games remaining, including one with Rochester.
Seems like there would likely be 3 Pool C bids from the South, if CTX wins their tourney .... VWC/HSC, Emory, and MH-B. ??
In the ASC, East #1 UT-Dallas hosts the tourney.
Also CTX is the travel partner for UMHB and a strong division rival.
I always greatly honor and respect any team that can beats its rival (like ASC West #1 UMHB beating ASC-West #2 CTX) all three times, or rarely all four times, in a season!
I think that Emory can "lock" its Pool C bid by beating Rochester. They will not get another loss after the regular season, and they have plenty of results versus in-region foes, and other South Region teams in the Regional Rankings are likely to take a minor hit with a conference tourney loss.
VWC is a lock and can get the #1 seed in the region.
UMHB can move to the #2 seed with a win over RR CTX in the ASC Final. I think that they are vulnerable for Pool
C if they lose.
CNU is a lock.
HSC moves to Pool C.
Emory is probably next on the table..
CTX probably has to win the ASC tourney to get into the tourney.
Coloardo College plays Trinity TX for the SCAC bid. The bean counters are hoping for a UMHB-TrinityTX first round game.
What about Spalding College? SLIAC Champ AQ. I believe they are like 20-3 In - Region. That may need fact check on my Part. Just wondering since they are in the South Region.
Quote from: Denny McKinney on February 24, 2013, 12:16:48 AM
What about Spalding College? SLIAC Champ AQ. I believe they are like 20-3 In - Region. That may need fact check on my Part. Just wondering since they are in the South Region.
Yes, they are South Region. I usually "lump" them into the Midwest with the rest of the SLIAC.
Denny, they might play Centre, if the Colonels get the Pool B bid.
That would be a good match-up for D3 fans in Kentucky!
I see Pat has projected UMHB to host the first weekend pod again ... why not CTX, with a similar record and the H2H in the conference championship? The SOS difference isn't THAT great, and besides, CTX is much closer to my house ;)
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2013, 09:17:16 AM
I see Pat has projected UMHB to host the first weekend pod again ... why not CTX, with a similar record and the H2H in the conference championship? The SOS difference isn't THAT great, and besides, CTX is much closer to my house ;)
I think that UMHB gets the bye in the first week, and TU goes to CTX. UMHB hosts in the second week.
UMHB beat CTX 2-1 in the season and has had a higher Regional Ranking all season.
13 days off! Wow! That might be tough. I think that I would rather be CTX!
Is UMHB on Spring Break that weekend?
When did we change to not having first and second round games in the initial weekend? That was certainly the case last year.
CTX goes to Trinity, winner goes to MHB the next week. All I can think is that CTX didn't file paperwork to host.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
When did we change to not having first and second round games in the initial weekend? That was certainly the case last year.
CTX goes to Trinity, winner goes to MHB the next week. All I can think is that CTX didn't file paperwork to host.
This year alone for the men. The D2 and D3 finals will be played in Atlanta during the Final Four.
Is UMHB on Spring Break that weekend?
No. Spring break starts the following weekend.
FYI in case you missed it... Concordia did NOT put in to host... thus why they are traveling to Trinity and on to UMHB if they win. Only 37 schools put in to host potentially 30 games.
That is interesting, would that be an oversight on their part or a choice?
I am not sure... their coach said on Hoopsville yesterday they chose not to do it because it could be a distraction on getting the job of winning games done... not sure that is a real answer or just what they are saying... they could have missed the deadline since they didn't think they would be in this boat to begin with... which has happened before.
The curious thing is that only 37 schools put in to host when so many schools could host this time around.
Ralph - Just wondering. Do you think Spalding ever received votes in the South Regional Rankings? I know SOS because of the conference they play in. But still. Their in-region record has to count for something.
Quote from: Denny McKinney on March 04, 2013, 01:50:37 PM
Ralph - Just wondering. Do you think Spalding ever received votes in the South Regional Rankings? I know SOS because of the conference they play in. But still. Their in-region record has to count for something.
I don't think so. The SOS was weak, and the RRO was 0-2 (Results were losses to Transy and to Thomas More.)
Try to get games with Centre.
Spalding did not get into the regional rankings even in the final private ones.
Thanks Guys. I'm just a retired Vet of SLIAC. Was curious as how they looked.
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
FYI - Regionally rankings will come out on Thursday next week due to the planned stat computer outage (upgrade) at the NCAA headquarters this weekend. Thus all committee calls pushed back a day and as a result rankings will be posted Thursday this week. Game info still through Sunday's games.
Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630 (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630)
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.
Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4
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Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
Time | Guest | School |
10:15am | Connie Tilley | St. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court |
10:40am | Jamie Purdy | Peidmont (WBB) |
11:00am | Keri Carollo | UW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
11:20am | Brent Pollari | Saint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB) |
11:40am | Kent Madsen | No. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB) |
12:00pm | Russell Loyd | Rose-Hulman (MBB) |
12:20pm | Kevin Broderick | Nazareth (MBB) |
12:40pm | Justin Scott | Arcadia (MBB) |
1:00pm | Sam Hargraves | No. 12 Alma (MBB) |
1:20pm | Lenny Reich | Mount Union (SID) |
1:40pm | Maureen Webster | Clarkson (WBB) |
2:00pm | Betsy Witman | York (Pa.) (WBB) |
2:20pm | Sara Lee | Denison (WBB) |
2:40pm | Klay Kneuppel | Wisconsin Lutheran (MBB) |
3:00pm | Brian Van Haaften | Buena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
3:30pm | Sydney Moss | No. 1 Thomas More (WBB) |
3:45pm | Aaron Rousell | Bucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach |
4:00pm | Tim Shanahan | Staten Island (WBB) |
4:20 | Pat Cunningham | Trinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner |
4:50pm | Bubba Smith | Sewanee (MBB) |
5:15pm | Ben Strong | Former Guilford All-American |
5:30pm | Kevin Connors | ESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus |
6:00pm | Kristen Dowling | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB) |
6:20pm | Allison Coleman | Sage (WBB) |
6:40pm | Landry Kosmalski | Swarthmore (MBB) |
7:00pm | Dave Niland | No. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB) |
7:20pm | Aaron Galletta | Lasell (MBB) |
7:40pm | John Baron | Gwynedd-Mercy (MBB) |
8:00pm | | |
8:20pm | | |
8:40pm | Melissa Hodgdon | Wheaton (Mass.) (WBB) |
9:00pm | G.P. Gromacki | No. 2 Amherst (WBB) |
9:20pm | James Wagner | |
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Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third
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Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
First projection -- Assume the highest ranked team in the Region earns the Pool A bid.
Rank School In-Division Record Overall Record
1 Randolph-Macon 20-2 20-2 ODAC Pool A
2 Centre 17-3 19-3 SAA Pool A
3 Emory 16-4 16-4 UAA (tied with Wash U) Assume Pool A
4 Guilford 16-5 16-5 ODAC Pool C
5 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-5 17-5 ASC Pool A
6 Lynchburg 17-5 17-5 ODAC Pool C
7 Emory & Henry 15-6 15-6 ODAC Pool C
8 Texas-Dallas 16-4 17-4 ASC Pool C
NR Texas Lutheran 14-7 14-7 Pool A SCAC
NR Covenant 14-7 14-7* Pool A USAC leading the "West Division" (*If Brevard counts as an in-region game... I have forgotten if there has been a change concerning Year 1 Provisional opponents.)
Brevard is Year 2 but does not count.
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
South
1 Randolph-Macon 23-2 23-2
2 Centre 19-4 21-4
3 Emory 19-5 19-5 Hosts Rochester on 02/23 for the UAA Pool A bid. NO tourney in the UAA
4 Washington & Lee 18-7 18-7
5 Guilford 18-7 18-7
6 Lynchburg 20-5 20-5
7 Roanoke 18-7 18-7
8 Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-5 20-5
My prediction is that Randy Mac and the survivor of that ODAC logjam at #4-#7 make the tourney.
If Centre wins the SAA, then the ASC, SAA, SCAC, and USAC appear to be one bid conferences.
With 20 bids to give over 8 regions, I want to see if the South is held to only 1 Pool C bid.
UT-Dallas (24-4/23-4 with a win over Whitworth at Trinity TX, neutral floor, 1-0 vRRO) is in for the ASC. HSU knocked off UMHB last night, so the ASC is probably a 1- bid league.
Emory is in for the UAA Pool A bid. (No bubble bustin' there.)
Centre lost to edged Oglethorpe 75-72 and play Sewanee today. On to Pool C for the Colonels.
SCAC final tomorrow. TLU vs #6 seed UDallas (6-10/ 11-16). Remember when UDallas was the Pool B bid with a 13-12 record in 2004?
https://www.d3hoops.com/archives/men/2004/2004-bracket
Murvul is in. (Randy got his ticket to the dance, one more time.) Congrats!
Interesting draw for the Scots...we were all expecting southern team matchups....
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third