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Title: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 10:58:27 PM
I'm going to give this a shot

Conference Site
USASAC Baseball (http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_baseball.shtml)

Conference Members
Averett (http://web.averett.edu/athletics/baseball.php)
Christopher Newport (http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/baseball/index.html)
Ferrum (http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/BB.htm)
Greensboro (http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/frames/baseball.html)
Methodist (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/index.htm)
NC Wesleyan (http://annex.ncwc.edu/Athletics/Baseball/)
Shenandoah (http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/bsb.asp)


other sites of interest:
Division 3 baseball site hosted by bridgewater and mantained by jim dixon (http://odac.bridgewater.edu/div3base/baseball.htm) it's a great resource, but has little news and many links to team pages that don't work - great historical statistics and great info on the d3 national championships
Collegiate Baseball News polls (http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/index.html)
Baseball America (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/index.html)
NCAAsports.com baseball site (http://www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens)
Title: Re: USASAC
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 11:12:50 PM
Now that I've set up the topic, here is some old news (http://www.coastalplain.com/presser.aspx?PressID=459) on the incredible summer that returning pitcher of the year, Ryan Brandt had - the CPL is a very high level, wood-bat league made up primarily of scholarship players - some low-level d1 talent, some young high level talent (sec, acc, etc.), high level d2 and a scattering of d3 players - brandt was DOMINANT with a .71 era and an 8-2 record - if he didn't wear out his arm, i look for him to be a 1st team all-america for the monarchs this season
Title: Re: USASAC
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 11:28:44 PM
i posted the above poll to possibly get some chatter going before hoops get back in full swing

a few years ago the usasac switched to 3 game conference weekends instead of 2 game conference series - in my opinion, this has hurt the usasac teams nationally in 2 ways
1.) we're beating each other up more, because we're playing 6 more games against quality teams that are familiar with one another, giving the possible impression to outsiders that our teams aren't as good because of our w/l records
2.) we're depleting our pitching staff for mid-week non-conference tilts because we're using 4's and sometimes 5's if the coaching staff wants to hold out the 4 in case they are needed over the weekend - 3's used to pitch these games, giving usasac teams a better chance of winning

my evidence of a weakened national appreciation of usasac baseball
1.) mc wins 30 games last year, including a number of games against regionally and/or nationally ranked teams and drops 2 one-run games to ferrum in the conference tournament, yet stays home...travesty
2.) only one usasac team in the first pre-season top 45 (including orv), and that's ferrum at #9...the odac has 2 teams in the top 45

i'm not sure if other conferences use 3 game series, but i'm not a huge fan of it when you play in a conference as competetive as the usasac AND you play a very competetive regional schedule (as most usasac teams do)...thoughts?
Title: Re: USASAC
Post by: woosterbooster on December 31, 2005, 12:38:47 AM
Just peeking in from the NCAC where a few years ago the ten-team conference went to two five-team divisions.  Now, the only conference games that count towards getting into the playoffs (top two from each division get in) are the in-division games, and we play four of them against each of the other four schools.  Back to back doubleheaders, Saturday and Sunday!

So, you need four starters for those games, weakening yourself tremendously for the mid-week contests.  The team that I follow, Wooster, generally plays about two mid-week games, and pitches by committee.  Usually the following weekends starters will work a couple of innings during the week; Saturday's scheduled starters pitching about two each on the prior Tuesday or Wednesday, Sunday's on Wednesday or Thursday.  Pretty hectic, and luckily Wooster has been very deep pitching-wise the last few years.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2005, 08:52:53 AM
The ASC is 2 eight-team divisions.  We play single games on Friday and Saturday DH's.  The mid-week games are against D2's and NAIA-1's and usually done by the 4th and 5th starter, usually a younger pitcher since the games do not count in conference or as in-region.  In 2005, we switched to an 8 team tourney, a best-of-3 at the top 2 seeds on the first weekend and the final 4 team tourney double elimination.

The format of the NCAA playoffs favors strong and deep pitching staffs.  That has been a weakness of the ASC teams.  We usually have 3 good pitchers, but the staffs trail off after that.  Those 4th and 5th starters are critical in even a 6-team Regional tourney.

I think that the USASAC benefits from it. 

Good conference web page, narch!  I am going to "borrow" some of your links and put them on another page! ;) :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnu85 on December 31, 2005, 01:44:26 PM
Nice article on Brandt.....Wasn't a CNU coach a coach with the Pilots last year?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnu85 on December 31, 2005, 01:55:21 PM
Narch,

I think in the short term the 3 game series hurts the conference for all the reasons you mention. In the long run it should help. Hopefully, the coaches will go out and recruit for stronger pitchers andmore of them. That will help the teams once they get into the NCAA. It may take awhile!!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on December 31, 2005, 02:35:21 PM
another former monarch pitcher had a pretty nice summer last year, as well - blake maxwell, who led the usasac with 9 saves as a junior was drafted by the red sox and pitched pretty well for the lowell spinners - here is his line (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Blake%20Maxwell&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476190) from last season - he was second among relievers in appearances, ip, k's, era and saves with 7 - lowell is a short season a team (kind of like rookie ball for college players) - maxwell was one of the youngest pitchers on the roster, though - in all, not a bad first season of pro ball
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Olinemom on January 16, 2006, 12:46:28 AM
Quote from: narch on December 30, 2005, 10:58:27 PM
I'm going to give this a shot

Conference Site
USASAC Baseball (http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_baseball.shtml)

Conference Members
Averett (http://web.averett.edu/athletics/baseball.php)
Christopher Newport (http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/baseball/index.html)
Ferrum (http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/BB.htm)
Greensboro (http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/frames/baseball.html)
Methodist (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/index.htm)
NC Wesleyan (http://annex.ncwc.edu/Athletics/Baseball/)
Shenandoah (http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/bsb.asp)


other sites of interest:
Division 3 baseball site hosted by bridgewater and mantained by jim dixon (http://odac.bridgewater.edu/div3base/baseball.htm) it's a great resource, but has little news and many links to team pages that don't work - great historical statistics and great info on the d3 national championships
Collegiate Baseball News polls (http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/index.html)
Baseball America (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/index.html)
NCAAsports.com baseball site (http://www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens)


     Great, Narch.  I'll be reading to see what's going on here.  You've got some great teams in your conference.  One of my favorite coaches is in your conference.  Coach John H.of CNU.  And one of my favorite players, Garrett Robinson, plays there, too.!!!!!  And then there is Coach Kevin Anderson of Shendoah whom I adore!!!  and he has one of my favorite players as well at short stop ;D Rats, having a senior moment right now.  I can see his face.  I can hear his voice.  Oh this infuriates me.  . . .
     Gee, I work at BC and I don't know who Jim Dixon is. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Maybe I'll ask Kid about this with all kinds of broken links and stuff.  That doesn't sound good.  Somebody should be doing a better job than that.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 01:33:40 PM
olinemom - too much talk about the va schools for my blood, i'm a bit partial, though :)

don't worry about the broken links...that is to be expected when there are so many schools playing d3 baseball - i, for one, have really valued mr. dixon's work on that site over the years...it's a GREAT RESOURCE for d3 baseball fans - his coverage of the world series is the BEST - if you could combine that site with this site and add a little news, you'd have the PERFECT d3baseball site - as it is, this is pretty darn good - i like having a place to discuss baseball with other fans

p.s. - odac baseball is over-rated :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Olinemom on January 17, 2006, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2006, 01:33:40 PM
olinemom - too much talk about the va schools for my blood, i'm a bit partial, though :)

don't worry about the broken links...that is to be expected when there are so many schools playing d3 baseball - i, for one, have really valued mr. dixon's work on that site over the years...it's a GREAT RESOURCE for d3 baseball fans - his coverage of the world series is the BEST - if you could combine that site with this site and add a little news, you'd have the PERFECT d3baseball site - as it is, this is pretty darn good - i like having a place to discuss baseball with other fans

p.s. - odac baseball is over-rated :)

I must agree that it's great to have this added dimension to discuss baseball.  So glad that they have added this!!  Would love news but the great Pat has said no. :(  And I know he works very hard to keep everything on this site going.  I used to live in NC where I taught at High Point but that was long ago.  I remember being at Regionals with Methodist at NC Weseleyan a while back.  I had just had carpal tunnel surgery, but I went to the tournament anyway.    And as to the Va teams.  They are the ones I know because they are the ones we play.  At least so far.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 07:03:37 PM
olinemom, I encourage you to post hyperlinks of newsworthy events from any media on the web you can access.

Just because Pat is not providing news doesn't mean that there is a "news-vacuum".  These message boards can allow us D3 fans the chance to post what we need to disseminate!

Have a good season and I am counting on the USAC and ODAC boards to be a couple of the best.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: Olinemom on January 17, 2006, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2006, 01:33:40 PM
p.s. - odac baseball is over-rated :)

I must agree...

i'm glad we see eye-to-eye on this subject :)

seriously, i enjoy your insight on the odac football board and look forward to hearing what you have to say about odac baseball, as well - hopefully, the monarchs can get what they should have gotten last year...a regional bid...and play one of those odac schools in a game that means something
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 02:13:21 PM
ferrum picked as favorite in usasac pre-season baseball poll (http://www.usasouth.net/news/06baseballlpoll.htm)

thoughts?  for me, it looks about right, especially if you flip-flop 1 and 2  ;)

methodist pre-season poll release (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/usasouthpreseasonpoll.htm)...note the early season match up between the monarchs and the panthers...should be fun!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Olinemom on January 19, 2006, 10:14:48 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2006, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: Olinemom on January 17, 2006, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2006, 01:33:40 PM
p.s. - odac baseball is over-rated :)

I must agree...

i'm glad we see eye-to-eye on this subject :)

seriously, i enjoy your insight on the odac football board and look forward to hearing what you have to say about odac baseball, as well - hopefully, the monarchs can get what they should have gotten last year...a regional bid...and play one of those odac schools in a game that means something

I love the selective quoting,  ;D!   I do love baseball (and ODAC in particular :)) as well.  I think that too often some very good teams get overlooked at regional time  Hopefully our teams (yours and mine) will put together some good spring campaigns.  I am superstitious about fall ball and don't watch it so I haven't seen any of the new guys.  I am looking forward to practice which begins next week.  It's our year to go down to Atlanta and Lagrange, but with Interterm galloping along, I haven't even looked at the schedule to see whom we are playing along the way.  Gotta do that, perhaps this weekend.  I've also got to take in some of my DI teams.  Promises to keep, you know how that is.  I'm going to be a busy person this spring.  I will definitely be in Durham for the TEAM USA baseball this summer.  You ought to have a peek at that.  It's a lot of fun!!  Back to the grind:(:(  I keep saying that and then not doing it.  sigh
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Olinemom on January 19, 2006, 10:21:14 PM
Narch,
     tezbaseball just posted this list of all-time all-tounament DIII baseball players and there's a Methodist guy on it so I copied it to you.

NCAA Division III All Time All Tournament Team

First Team
Pos - Player, Team (years played)                       
C  - Doug Flowers, NC Wesleyan (1989-90)             
1B  - Craig Lieder, Wisconsin-Oshkosh, (1992-95)     
2B  - John Cole, Ithaca (1985-86)                       
3B  - Jeremy Stewart, NC Wesleyan (1997-99)           
3B  - Mike Brandts, Marietta (1984-86)                 
SS  - Tim Jorgensen, Wisconsin-Oshkosh (1992-95)     
DH  - John Deutsch, Montclair St (1986-87)             
OF  - Eric Jarman, NC Wesleyan (1987, 1989-90)       
OF  - Terry Jorgensen, Wisconsin-Oshkosh (1985-87)   
OF  - Bob Prince, Southern Maine (1989, 1991-92)     
OF  - Mark DeMenna, William Paterson (1995-96,1999)   

Pos - Player, Team (years played)                       
P  - Corey Hamman, Montclair State (2000-01)           
P  - Joey Serfass, Eastern Conn State (2002-04)       
P  - Brian Ford, Methodist (1992, 1995)   
           
Second Team
Pos - Player, Team (years played)                       
C  - Kevin Murdock, Wisconsin-Oshkosh (1984-87)     
1B  - Jeff Polinsky, La Verne, (1995)                 
2B  - Craig Conway, Montclair State (1998,2000-01)   
3B  - Ken Wainczak, College of NJ (1991)             
SS  - Brian Lindner, William Paterson (1995-96)       
SS  - Jim Fasano, Montclair St (1985-87)               
DH  - Tim Peterson, Rowan (1977-78)                   
OF  - Shorty Flees, Carthage, 1994-95, 1997)         
OF  - Brad Bonine, St Thomas (1999-2001)             
OF  - Mark Talarico, Marietta (1980-1983)             
OF  - Dwight Wildman, Eastern Conn State (2002-04)   
OF  - Gary Williamson, Southern Maine (1991-92)         

Pos - Player, Team (years played)                     
P  - Frank Dippold, Montclair State (1993)         
P  - Rich Jarer, Cortland State (1997-99)           
P  - Jarrod Washburn, Wisconsin-Oshkosh (1994-95)   
P  - Scott Hyde, George Fox (2004)                   

Honorable Mention
Pos - Player, Team (years played)                       
C  - Derek Bastinck, Ramapo (1984)                   
C  - Drew Witouski, Marietta (1985-86, 1988)       
1B  - Dan Boer, Cal St Stanislaus (1976-77)       
2B  - Chris D'Amato, Eastern Conn State (1995,1998)   
UT  - Jim Pancher, Marietta (1981-83)                   
DH  - Lou Milano, Ithaca (1985-86, 1988)               

Pos - Player, Team (years played)                   
P  - Brad Matzek, Wisconsin-Oshkosh (1993-94)         
P  - Scott Chiasson, Eastern Conn State (1998)     
P  - Jason Jensen, Southern Maine (1997)             
P  - Jim Katschke, Marietta (1983-86)                   



Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: Olinemom on January 19, 2006, 10:14:48 PMI will definitely be in Durham for the TEAM USA baseball this summer.  You ought to have a peek at that.  It's a lot of fun!!

i get over to the dbap about 8-10 times every year...my daughter LOVES wool e. bull - my wife's company buys bulls season tickets every year and we get free tix - there is also an mc graduate working in the marketing and promotions department with the bulls - i was going to one of the team usa events this past year, but plans changed...i will make my way there this summer, though - dbap is only 35 minutes from my house and one of the best baseball venues i've ever been in

brian ford put up NASTY numbers in the national tournament

in the 1995 championships (mc finished 2nd), ford pitched in 4 of the 6 games that the monarchs played and compiled the following line

21 ip, 2 cg, 6 er, 2.57 era, 22 k's, 2 wins, 1 save...not a bad series

in 1992 (mc finished 3rd), as a freshman, ford did this in 2 appearances:

18 ip, 2 cg, 4 er, 2.00 era, 15 k's, 1 win, 1 loss

overall his championship line

6 g, 39 ip, 4 cg, 10 er, 2.50 era, 37 k's, 3 wins, 1 loss, 1 save

he was MONEY and deserves to be a first-teamer

glad you could appreciate the selective quoting :)

by the way, all of those stats and the original release can be found on jim dixon's website...told you it was a great resource!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Tezbaseball on January 22, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
Interesting site. You can see by where a MLB player went to school.

http://baseballreference.com/schools/
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 23, 2006, 03:31:56 PM
shelley field at mc is getting lights...it's about time - might be ready for the ferrum games - if the monarchs can MAKE the regional, now they can host on campus with lights - should be big for the program

here is an article (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=224728) from the fayetteville observer
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 24, 2006, 09:51:56 PM
brandt selected pre-season all-america (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/brandtpreseason.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 10:51:02 PM
Boy this is sad, its takin me a freakin month to realize this board is here and I find it in a zombie state of mind too, go figure.

Lets go Captains, Lets Go!!

I wish the Captains Park would get some lights, I think its in the plans down the road. Im hearing rumors too that the AAA Virginia State Tourny will be held there as well this year.

The chairback seats are in and look fantastic. Now all they need to do is build the damn press box!! Drawings of it look great tho, it will be sharp when its all complete. The seats tho, very nice.  Here's a link to  a couple pics of the new seats. http://www.top96.com/2006events/event_display.php?de=91&244s&23f32 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 05, 2006, 06:52:25 PM
Hey Guys how bout my Pride baseball team going 2-1 vs. a ranked team this weekend in Greensboro. Our main ace AnDrew Keever threw a outstanding game giving up no earned runs and picking off the first man that he had on base. How is that for momentum for the season to come? Another Pitcher of the Year for him maybe, but the polls did not due us justice but I think we have alot for the conference this year and should be a big contender for the USA South crown and bid to the Tourny. But today we had outstanding pitching and hitting with our #3 man going 7in and giving up no runs. So the pitching staff is looking good to start this young season.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 06, 2006, 08:25:43 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 05, 2006, 06:52:25 PM
Hey Guys how bout my Pride baseball team going 2-1 vs. a ranked team this weekend in Greensboro. Our main ace AnDrew Keever threw a outstanding game giving up no earned runs and picking off the first man that he had on base. How is that for momentum for the season to come? Another Pitcher of the Year for him maybe, but the polls did not due us justice but I think we have alot for the conference this year and should be a big contender for the USA South crown and bid to the Tourny. But today we had outstanding pitching and hitting with our #3 man going 7in and giving up no runs. So the pitching staff is looking good to start this young season.

nice wins for gc...but what poll has frostburg ranked?

keever is nice...it should be an interesting pitcher of the year race between him, brandt, moreland, cooper and rice...my money is on brandt, but i'm a bit biased :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 06, 2006, 01:13:37 PM
And of course my money is on Moreland, but Im biased too!!

Capts open up their season with said Frostburg team Saturday in a double dip and then host Lynchburg on Sunday. Three games against some decent competition. Unfortunately Ill be at basketball and wont be able to watch.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 08, 2006, 03:22:48 PM
sorry about the poll...don't know why you can't see the results, but brandt is leading the voting 21-1-1 over moreland and keever...i'll keep you informed of the outcome :)

seriously, does anyone know why you can't vote on the poll i created?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Uncle Jessie on February 08, 2006, 04:05:14 PM
Hey baseball fans. I have started up a Yahoo fantasy baseball league and would love to have as many USAC fans as possible. Goose from CNU has joined. If you would be interested email me at
redkite_2001@yahoo.com  or

unclejessie01@aol.com     p.s. go Hornets in 06
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 10, 2006, 04:50:44 PM
Hey guys it is a big day on Sat. here in Greensboro as one of the top teams in the nation come rolling into the War Memorial Stadium. Hampden-Sydney is ranked #11 in the nation it will be a big test for the Pride but I think we have a shot to defeat them. Our Ace AnDrew Keever is going to be starting the first game of the double dip tommorow. The thing that is really working against us down here and that is the weather. They are calling for alot of rain. And then, in the second game Chad Bray will be starting on the mound for the pride. The outstanding pitching for the Pride needs to continue to win these key games.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 10, 2006, 05:12:42 PM
gullett - you're right, this will be a big test for gc, but i personally think hsc is a little over-rated in the national polls - they were picked to finish 3rd in the odac by the odac coaches...they're still a very good team, though, as they won the south regional last year and went to the championship series

i've posted some statistics re: the usasac vs. odac series last year on the odac board...a couple of wins by the pride would be a great way to start the usasac/odac series this season!  for the weekend...go pride :)

monarchs play naia scholarship program flagler over the weekend
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 10, 2006, 10:53:12 PM
Capts double dip with Frostburg cancelled on Saturday. They will open at home against Lynchburg at 2 pm. should be a fantastic one. Im sure Kenny Moreland will get the ball for CNU.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 11, 2006, 09:07:35 AM
Greensboros double dip cancelled due to rain. We will play (2) Nine inning games on Sunday
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 12, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
Capts/Lynchburg postponed Sunday. They will make it up later.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 12, 2006, 09:13:26 PM
monarchs take a dh sweep from flagler today...flagler had played 8 games coming into the weekend (5-3) and the monarchs played without some starters, so these were good wins...brandt got knocked around for 13 hits and 6 er in game one, but varnell came out of the pen and pitched 3+ scoreless and mc got the bats going in the late innings to win 12-6 - second game was a 6-4 win for the monarchs - game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/flagler.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 13, 2006, 08:50:17 AM
a little late, since the season is now 2 games old, but here is the monarch season preview (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/Season%20Preview.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 15, 2006, 11:48:29 PM
Capts open with a 10-3 win over Randolph-Macon. Corbin goes 4-for-5 with a solo homer and three RBIs. Brad Melton was 3-for-3 with two doubles and a couple RBIs as well.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 11:06:50 PM
monarchs got rocked, 11-3 at huntingdon today...no details, just a score for now
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: John McGraw on February 18, 2006, 11:19:52 PM
FINAL

Cortland 5 Christopher Newport 1

First Dragons win to open the season in a long time. The game is called in the bottom of the sixth because of snow. Weather.com around the time of the game said the temperature in Newport News was registering at 32 degrees. You gotta love the Dragons and Captains playing at freezing temperatures.

Oh yeah, 2005 SUNYAC Pitcher of the Year Jim Dougher combined with Justin Mattes to throw a no-hitter for Cortland. Shawn Ensel provided the offense for the second ranked Dragons with a three-run homerun. Cortland's game against Rowan was cancelled.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 19, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
So was CNU's game against No. 5 Rowan on Sunday.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 19, 2006, 09:25:14 PM
monarchs sweep lagrange today...nice wins and a good rebound from the huntingdon loss

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/lagrange.htm)

game one box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb02191.htm) - brandt gets a complete game w giving up just one run

game two box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb02192.htm) - denning goes 8 solid
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 08:35:09 PM
proctor named rotw (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/proctorrow.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 02:58:37 PM
some big games this weekend...conference season sure does get cranked up quickly now - here are my series predictions

Ferrum @ Methodist mc 2-1
Averett @ Chris. Newport cnu 3-0
N.C. Wesleyan @ Greensboro ncwc 2-1
Title: Can't wait to hear the spin on this!
Post by: Coop4POY on February 25, 2006, 10:03:46 PM
First of all, I like Austin and he runs a classy program but you unrealistic Monarch fans are hilarious!
     I'm not sure what today's HAMMERING of Brandt says about the CPL but I'm sure no one with any sense will ever mention pitching again without saying RYAN COOPER 1st! He dominated! Take all those crazy votes in the POY poll to right field while you search for Stover's BOMBS! I was as bored today watching those games as I have ever been.
     And Narch, did you say something about HOSTING a regional??????????? If Methodist had the brightest lights in the world it wouldn't matter. I can see 1000 people driving 5 miles through campus over 72 speedbumbs to find 5 parking spots that are safe from foul balls. The hole in the wall concession stand and one seater toilets probably wouldn't be a hit either.
     I drove 3 hours to be disappointed by an "ALL-AMERICAN" pitcher, a "TOSS UP FOR FIRST PLACE" team, and a "REGIONAL CALIBER" facility.
     I certainly don't mind you being a fan - but for goodness sake, be realistic. I can't wait to hear the spin on today's whipping!
Title: I just read the MC release from today's game. HA!
Post by: Coop4POY on February 25, 2006, 10:44:08 PM

   How do you watch todays game and only give Cooper a small blurb at the end of the story? He threw against the "MIGHTY MONARCHS" and was matched up with a "PRESEASON ALL AMERICAN" pitcher. Here's all he did - 7 innings, 2 ER, 8 K's, 1 BB and probably would have went the distance (keeping MC from getting all those mop up runs) but his defense made 3 errors behind him in the 7th! But I can understand how they weren't ready to play - I was getting ready to fall asleep myself.

The MC spin kills me.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 25, 2006, 10:55:25 PM
coop - i'm glad to hear you enjoyed your trip to fayetteville - it sounds like your boys brought their sticks today - obviously, ferrum has the monarchs number...they did last year and they did today - nice win for your boys today, i'm just hoping my boys can make a comeback in the suspended game and win the 3rd...it's still possible that the monarchs could win this series (although i'll be the first to admit that it's unlikely being down 7-1 in the 6th of the suspended game)

brandt hasn't lived up to the hype yet this season, but there is a lot of season left, my friend, and it's about how you finish not how you start...cooper is unquestionably one of the best pitchers in the conference and it looks like he pitched well today

no need to question the cpl...it's one of the best wood bat summer leagues on the east coast - it is a pitching friendly league, though, as most hitters are using wood bats for the first time in their career - take a look at batting averages, power numbers and era...no question pitching rules in the cpl, but brandt's numbers were impressive even when measured against his (primarily division 1) peers in the cpl

sorry you were disappointed by shelley field - no question it could use some improvements, but if the monarchs win the conference and 30+ games with the schedule they are playing, hosting a regional is not out of the question...regionals have certainly been played in worse locations

the ferrum series, while important, is not the only series the monarchs or panthers will play - it's clear that the monarchs can win the conference without winning this series...they did it last year :)

and regarding the game story...if the ferrum sid wants to write a story that focuses on what cooper did, he (or she) is more than welcome to...i don't think it's the methodist sid's responsibiltiy to promote the opposition

i hope that this weekend isn't the only time you post...it would be a shame for you to crawl out of the woods for a few posts over the weekend and then fade away...you've got so much insight to provide
Title: I needed something else...............
Post by: Coop4POY on February 26, 2006, 09:01:20 PM
 I'm glad Methodist won a close game on Sunday b/c I needed something else to pick on them about. As if I wasn't tired enough from watching them get blown out Saturday, Tom rocked me to sleep with 6,378 bunts on Sunday. Narch, I know you're going to give me the old fundamental, whatever it takes to win speech - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Here is what will put Shelly Field over the hump in the race to host a regional - install BUNKBEDS!
Watching Methodist win baseball games is like watching Ferrum win football games - kinda resembles ESPN Classic.
Congrats on a win - see ya at tournament time. And all you loud Greensboro fans, bundle up next weekend - we're about to see if the Pride is ready to compete! (my guess is that they're NOT!)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 26, 2006, 09:46:45 PM
coop...sorry you don't like watching good, fundamentally sound baseball where teams manufacture runs...i guess it's an acquired taste, but it has produced some pretty solid results for coach austin - one of the things that really sets coach austin and his teams apart is they almost always do the little things very well...they run, they move runners over, they play solid defense, and they usually pitch pretty well (this weekend notwithstanding), but when he's had some big boppers (the teams with glies, ross, adames and co. of a few years ago come to mind), he's adjusted and played more "big inning" baseball - mc doesn't have a big bat in the lineup this year, so i imagine teams should get used to lots of small ball and manufactured runs - you call that boring, i call it playing to your strengths

i'm glad mc won, as well...a sweep could have been a real blow this early in the season for the monarchs - ferrum is going to be very tough...they seem to have some serious offensive weapons to go along with very solid pitching - i've never questioned the validity of their #9 national ranking or their pre-season selection as the team to beat in the conference

i look forward to more of your in-depth analysis...you are truly a great baseball mind, and i'm glad you've decided to post
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 27, 2006, 01:52:56 PM
ferrum vs. mc game summaries (ferrum release) (http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Releases-0506/2-27-06.htm)

interesting to note that the fc sid didn't think enough of coop's performance to merit more than a "small blurb", either - he's an impressive pitcher, though - he hits his spots, changes speeds and works fast
Title: Looks like I'm a lone ranger...
Post by: Coop4POY on February 27, 2006, 04:53:48 PM
That ticks me off. The Ferrum SID wraps up the whole weekend with one small page. If Brandt did what Coop did they'd write a stinkin' book. Props to Methodist for having a seperate release for each game and standing up for their guys. How is anyone supposed to find out about his performance? Narch, "interesting" is a nice way to say it.
Title: Re: Looks like I'm a lone ranger...
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 28, 2006, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on February 27, 2006, 04:53:48 PM
That ticks me off. The Ferrum SID wraps up the whole weekend with one small page.  How is anyone supposed to find out about his performance?

I tell u coop if you only know how much work there was to be a SID you would understand. I know some about what goes on in that department so I know how it is writing reveiews. So I would suggest u think if you could do it having to deal with 12 plus sports with stuff coming in year round and then you can say something.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 28, 2006, 01:44:48 PM
Ya the Ferrum SID is a one-man show who also happens to coach a sport there. Id think about cutting him some slack. He does the best that he can and does a better than adequate job at it too.
Title: And we're making excuses because?
Post by: Coop4POY on February 28, 2006, 02:57:38 PM
      I wish I worked for you two. We're talking about a PAID PROFESSIONAL not a DIII athlete. So let me summarize what your excuses are......... his job is hard.........he's busy........but he tries hard............. Who's job isn't hard and who's isn't busy? Is the Methodist SID's job difficult? Is the Methodist SID busy? I'm not attacking this SID or his character, I simply made the observation that the Methodist SID's coverage of the weekend was far better and much more in depth than the Ferrum SID's. This isn't rec league - the reason this board even exists is because its a competitive sport where somebody wins and somebody loses. Can we not hold adult administrators to the same standards? So the Methodist SID outdid the Ferrum SID - It doesn't mean he's some kind of terrible guy - but don't try to act like he gave his ace enough credit. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 28, 2006, 05:08:47 PM
I think you should share this with the Ferrum SID and let him know how you Ferrum fans feel. Then report back to us and let us know what he said.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 28, 2006, 05:10:13 PM
Plus, I could give two sh!t$ about Ferrum and its baseball program and your so called Player of the Year, but thats just my opinion. Maybe he doesnt think highly of your so called ace, maybe you're making him out to be better than he actually is.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 28, 2006, 05:15:35 PM
I do know this. The Captains, who were down last year, went 1-1 against your beloved Cooper. He shut out CNU in nine allowing three hits walked three and struck out six.

In the game CNU won, Kenny Moreland showed why he was USA South's Rookie Pitcher of the Year striking out 12 ferrumites while your beloved Coop went the distance, allowed nine hits, three runs and struck out nine.

I think Moreland is better than him. Cooper was 6-2 in 13 apps. with a 2.52 ERA and 40 ks and 82 hits in 82.1 innings. Moreland was 6-2 with a 1.52 ERA in 12 apps with 78 ks in 65 innings pitched. Plus he allowed less than one hit per inning.

Im anxious for the April 1-2 meetings at the end of the earth and see how it really pans out.
Title: The goose is cooked.....................
Post by: Coop4POY on February 28, 2006, 08:57:07 PM
     Goose, I'm concerned that you're having trouble exercising your brain without using profanity....but regardless:
1. the "POY" reference is to pitcher of the year - hence the poll at the top of the page......get it?
2. Coop and Moreland played big roles in CNU's conference tournament. Coop's shutout sent CNU to the losers bracket and Moreland's lone tournament decision sent them to the house!
3. Coop continued to step up in big games as he SHUTOUT the #7 team in the country in the opening round of the regional tournament.
4. Coop vs. Brandt - we've talked enough about it.
5. Talk all the numbers you want. Give me the guy who steps up in the biggest games of the year - Coop
5. To not care about Ferrum, you sure do keep up with the SID and his "better than adaquate job" - or was that an uninformed decision?
6. Any "down year" that CNU has is its own fault. If you lose a regular season game with that tuition, those facilities, and that recruiting base you should be fired!
7. Congrats to Moreland for POTW.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 28, 2006, 09:28:38 PM
coop - your son (or brother, or roomate, or self...i haven't figured out which you are) didn't even get his own team's nomination for pitcher of the week after his sterling performance...hmm, interesting

as far as the job the ferrum sid does, i'll say this...it's better than a lot of others, especially some of those outside of this conference...maybe he just wasn't as impressed with cooper's performance as you were - as his dad/brother/roomate/him, you've got to admit you're a bit biased, right? - i think for the most part this conference has been blessed with pretty good sid's - i hear your point re: being a paid professional, but brother, if you had to walk in those shoes for a week for the little pay that they make, i think you'd have a bit more empathy - i was the roommate of the previous methodist sid and he was ALWAYS working - at mc it's a one man show, as well, and with 18 sports, game management for home contests, website maintenance, and all the other stuff you have to do...let's just say i wouldn't THINK about doing that job at a place like mc...but most sid's do it because the love it

mc's sid has just resigned to take a job at clayton state in ga and i'm VERY nervous...he's done a great job the last 3 years or so, and you just never know if you're going to get someone who can do the job as a replacement...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on February 28, 2006, 10:19:36 PM
Boy that hit home.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SeanTaylorisKing on March 01, 2006, 12:53:45 AM
Coop, 
Saying that Kenny's only decision in the conference tournament sent CNU home last year is ridiculous because it was a 1-0 loss.  Pitching a complete game while giving up 6 hits is stepping up in a big game.  The hitting at CNU has been down since the big boys left in 2003.  Ferrum chokes every year in the conference tournament when they are the #1 team.  Last year when they were the underdogs is when they got hot.  So maybe you dont want to be the big dawg in the regular season this year.
Title: yeah Sean
Post by: Coop4POY on March 01, 2006, 12:40:15 PM
Sean, glad to see your 1st post. Good point about Moreland. I didn't say he pitched bad - I said his only decision was a loss - is that fact or not? Shutouts are a little better than 1 run performances - is that fat or not? I'm not saying ANYTHING negative about Moreland - he's sick. I simply said that I think Coop steps up in big games bigger than any other pitcher - I wouldn't expect you to agree.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SeanTaylorisKing on March 01, 2006, 12:56:56 PM
Those are facts but so are the numbers of the two from last year and kenny had better numbers across the board.  Don't pick and choose the games you want to compare.  A whole season is a better comparison of the two.  Same record, Kenny with a run better ERA, and 38 more strikeouts in 17 less innings.  Kenny is definetly more dominating of a pitcher. 
Title: The reason why not many people post long
Post by: Coop4POY on March 01, 2006, 01:07:47 PM
Narch, you've had 1500 posts and I'm sure most of them were MC biased. I've had 13 posts which were Ferrum baseball biased. I've posted about Coop, Methodist, CNU, SID's, etc. I can't have a strong opinion about Cooper w/o being his dad? Were you Ryan Brandt's dad before he started getting shelled? How about Rock during football season, are you his brother? I'm a Ferrum baseball fan, I have no relationship with Cooper, and its sad that I have to say that. Most of my posts are about something different. I chose that screenname b/c of the POY poll that Brandt was walking away with before Saturday. Watched the game (Cooper vs. Brandt) and thought it would be appropriate.
Last weekend: like your insight, keep posting, blah, blah
Today: your biased b/c you're Coop's girlfriend!
Sorry, I thought this was to post your thoughts and opinions. You know like the unbiased opinions that you formed while being the roommate of an SID.
There is probably a reason why not many other people have a zillion posts. More MC spin - if they don't agree, speculate about their identity and run them off.
Title: Re: The reason why not many people post long
Post by: narch on March 01, 2006, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 01, 2006, 01:07:47 PM
Narch, you've had 1500 posts and I'm sure most of them were MC biased. I've had 13 posts which were Ferrum baseball biased. I've posted about Coop, Methodist, CNU, SID's, etc. I can't have a strong opinion about Cooper w/o being his dad?

did i strike a nerve? - it's just a little trash talk amongst conference foes - i seem to recall you talking a bit of trash last weekend...i'm just sending a little back your way - if you can't take it, don't dish it (and had you called me brandt's dad/brother/roommate/girlfriend i would have simply said that i am not he) - i do take exception to one of your points, though...i never called you coop's girlfriend (although i probably should have thought about that :)) - if i offended you in any way, please accept my apology...i'm not trying to run you off, i just find it interesting that someone who has no relationship with cooper would use his name for a username, that's all - i'm a big chris roncketti fan, but would never have considered having "roncketti'stheman" as my username

Title: Moving on..........
Post by: Coop4POY on March 01, 2006, 11:09:20 PM
You're right, let's talk trash about another topic.....................................
Biggest USA South offensive threat
I'll let you guys go first
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 01, 2006, 11:17:39 PM
brent justice from gc is off to a nice start...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 02, 2006, 08:11:20 AM
Ya I got nothing on biggest offensive threat yet. Corbin is not off to a great start after his .440 performance from a year ago.

Capts lost a tough one at VWC 4-3 with the Marlins scoring the game-winner in the ninth. One of my former players scored the winning run in that game as well. 3-4 overall and 2-1 in conference and heading to Shenandoah this weekend. Need at worst, 2 out of 3 to get back on the right track before four games during spring break.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 11:19:06 AM
Coop & Narch-

You sound like little girls fighting over a cute boy... be adults and let it go. (Now go ahead and give me the negative karma for talking about the elephant in the room... I simply said what the others refused to).
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 02, 2006, 01:33:24 PM
bigpoppa has spoken, so shall it be :)

monarchs lose an error plagued game to d2 st. andrews, 9-5 - mc tied a school record with 7 errors (ouch!) - only 5 of the 9 runs given up were earned - i watched a couple of innings and it was sloppy baseball, at best - they did get 10 hits, and one of the frosh pitchers (branch) looked pretty solid, but overall it was not a good showing for the monarchs

ncwc this weekend...the monarchs need to win 2 to get back to .500 in conference
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 03:05:43 PM
narch... does Methodist have the same coach they have always had... I played for Carthage and against MC in the NCAA 1995 World Series. The coach was a very nice guy. They ended up knocking us out in the semi-finals.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 02, 2006, 06:01:57 PM
Ole Tom Austin is still there, he's still a hobblin down the basepaths!!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 02, 2006, 06:50:17 PM
big poppa - tom austin has been at mc for 26 years (and 823 wins)

goose - he hobbles much better now that he's got a titanium hip :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2006, 06:50:17 PM
big poppa - tom austin has been at mc for 26 years (and 823 wins)

goose - he hobbles much better now that he's got a titanium hip :)

He has(had?) one of the best mustaches in the baseball world. He was classic looking.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Coop4POY on March 02, 2006, 08:34:08 PM
Poppa,
Are you from the BC area? If so was Alex Stover (TA) a stud in high school? By the way boys, that's my vote for biggest offensive threat. Corbin is a beast, I'm curious about seeing Justice this weekend, Brett Thomas is a stud, but I would rather see anyone in the box right now other than Stover! Might not last the whole year, but he kills the ball (and pimped one against MC)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 02, 2006, 08:34:08 PM
Poppa,
Are you from the BC area?

Not even close... I am on the other coast... I just happen to know quite a few connected people throughout the D3 baseball community...

"... ain't no party like a West Coast party..."
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 02, 2006, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2006, 06:50:17 PM
big poppa - tom austin has been at mc for 26 years (and 823 wins)

goose - he hobbles much better now that he's got a titanium hip :)

Outstanding narch!! I havent seen him when they've been at our place in a while, but thats good to know!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 02, 2006, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 08:29:42 PM
He has(had?) one of the best mustaches in the baseball world. He was classic looking.

not sure if it looked like this (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/staff.htm) in '95, but it's been like this since '97 or so, when i arrived...that '95 team was special - did ford pitch against you guys?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 03, 2006, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2006, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 02, 2006, 08:29:42 PM
He has(had?) one of the best mustaches in the baseball world. He was classic looking.

not sure if it looked like this (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/staff.htm) in '95, but it's been like this since '97 or so, when i arrived...that '95 team was special - did ford pitch against you guys?

He still looks the same, huh? We had a tough series that year... we had to Face OW-Oshkosh and Jarrod Washburn in the opener and then beat Eastern Connecticut and Marrietts before losing to Methodist. Hers is the link to the game:
http://odac.bridgewater.edu/div3base/1995/boxscores/95box12.htm
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 04, 2006, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 03, 2006, 04:16:21 PM
He still looks the same, huh? We had a tough series that year... we had to Face OW-Oshkosh and Jarrod Washburn in the opener and then beat Eastern Connecticut and Marrietts before losing to Methodist. Hers is the link to the game:
http://odac.bridgewater.edu/div3base/1995/boxscores/95box12.htm

here is the box for the mc/uw-oshkosh game (http://odac.bridgewater.edu/div3base/1995/boxscores/95box14.htm)...the monarchs got to washburn for 2 er in 2 ip, but ford threw a cg in that one...he had a silly series that year and probably would have been the mvp had the monarchs pulled off the w against laverne in the finals

i saw that you had a 3 rbi day in carthage's first elimination game...nice :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 04, 2006, 07:35:02 PM
Capts go down big at Shenandoah, 17-5 in eight innings in game one. SU was up again in the fifth. Not a great start to spring break for CNU.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 04, 2006, 08:04:40 PM
monarchs win 2 @ ncwc today - brandt got the w vs. rice in game one giving up 6 hits, 2 er and striking out 7 - denning got hit in game 2. but the monarchs got the w for him, 6-5...looking for the 3 game sweep on sunday...that'd be nice
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 04, 2006, 08:12:53 PM
looks like keever got the best of coop today - box score (http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/2006-Stats/fcb03041.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 05, 2006, 09:17:32 AM
2 of the 3 top pitchers in the USA South got roughed up today. Moreland got tagged for 10 runs, 4 earned in a 17-5 loss, but the Capts bounced back to win game two, 4-2.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 05, 2006, 08:01:54 PM
monarchs complete the 3 game sweep of ncwc with a 9-3 win - cornelius with 4 rbi's and frosh kenny kelly goes 6 1/3 giving up 2 er - that was a MUCH NEEDED sweep for the monarchs, and puts them in a first-place tie with fc after 2 weekends

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/ncwesleyan.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb0305.htm)

the monarchs will dip into the odac this week, playing lynchburg on tuesday and b'water on thursday...the top 4 starters all pitched for the monarchs this weekend with varnell working in relief on saturday and sunday - it'll be interesting to see who gets the pill this week...i'd guess johnny wholestaff will be going in both games :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Coop4POY on March 05, 2006, 10:30:36 PM
Hats off to Keever and G'boro - much improved team - their first baseman is the biggest D3 player I've seen (how about you guys?) He's a man! I liked their lefty in game 3 as well as Keever. Not really sold on Justice, he's fast, but I just don't know. How about B. Thomas' walk tsunami in game 3. What better way to break a slump than to put one in orbit! I'm concerned about the Panthers left side defense - Coop needs guys to field it and throw it to first!
Just when it looked like Methodist was down and CNU was up......... MC gets a SWEEP and K.Mooreland gocked rocked - go figure.
Check this absurd rule out - Ferrum players can't be in their rooms during Spring Break so they pack up this past Friday for a HOME series, find somewhere to stay, play a series, leave Tuesday for Norfolk and then go to NCW next weekend. I'm not sure I could plan that far ahead NOW- I surely couldn't have done it in college! Please don't tell me everywhere else has that insane policy!
Title: Excuse this rookie question
Post by: Coop4POY on March 05, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
What's this "karma" thing all about?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 05, 2006, 10:51:56 PM
coop - you never gave us your biggest offensive threat...i'm dying to hear who you think it is?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 06, 2006, 01:10:08 AM
Quote from: narch on March 04, 2006, 08:12:53 PM
looks like keever got the best of coop today - box score (http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/2006-Stats/fcb03041.htm)

Hey, Coop4POY... where are you tonight... it's funny how you stopped chirping after Coop got lit up for 12 hits this weekend. 12 hits does not sound like a POY to me... did he just have an off night or is he over rated?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Coop4POY on March 06, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Poppa, can you read? I posted twice before you posted "tonight". What in the world would I sound off about when my vote gives up 12 hits? I will say they were 12 hits over 9 innings - most 12 hit performances get yanked in about the 4th. Like I said in my earlier post (that you didn't read, i'm assuming) hats off to Gboro. They hit Coop a little bit - but he still threw it well enough to win. If Ferrum catches a groundball and throws it to first we're not having this conversation.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Coop4POY on March 06, 2006, 08:46:31 PM
Narch - I'm going to say Jenkins from SU based off of what I read. Based off last year I'm going to say Corbin from CNU. Based off what I've seen this year I'm going to say Thomas from FC.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 07, 2006, 10:35:10 PM
monarchs take one on the chin losing 9-5 to lynchburg @ lynchburg
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 07, 2006, 10:53:18 PM
How are the overall/conference records shaping up?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 08, 2006, 01:32:07 PM
Team                   Conf               Overall
Ferrum                  4-2   .667   8-2   .800   Won 2
Methodist        4-2       .667    8-5     .615    Lost 1
Shenandoah     2-1      .667      9-2       .818   Won 2
Chris. Newport     3-3      .500       6-6       .500   Won 2
N.C. Wesleyan     2-4     .333       7-6      .538     Won 1
Greensboro      2-4       .333     7-7     .500   Lost 2
Averett                  1-2   .333    6-9   .400   Won 2
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 08, 2006, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on March 08, 2006, 01:32:07 PM
Team                   Conf               Overall
Ferrum                  4-2   .667   8-2   .800   Won 2
Methodist        4-2       .667    8-5     .615    Lost 1
Shenandoah     2-1      .667      9-2       .818   Won 2
Chris. Newport     3-3      .500       6-6       .500   Won 2
N.C. Wesleyan     2-4     .333       7-6      .538     Won 1
Greensboro      2-4       .333     7-7     .500   Lost 2
Averett                  1-2   .333    6-9   .400   Won 2

Goose... thanks for the update. Much appreciation from the west coast.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 08, 2006, 04:16:47 PM
No problem, sorry it wasnt too readable. Ill do it in table format next time for ya!!
Title: Re: Excuse this rookie question
Post by: hasanova on March 08, 2006, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 05, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
What's this "karma" thing all about?
If you like what someone says or does, you can give them a "karma" point once in an 18-hour period by pressing "applaud."  If, on the other hand, you strongly disagree or think someone is being a jerk, you can "smite" them and take away karma.  lol  It's kind of like the stock exchange - it fluctuates daily.  lol  By the way, there is no limit to positive or negative karma and you cannot rate or berate yourself.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on March 08, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
Quakers fall 2-0 at Averett today (3/8) despite surrendering only 3 hits.  Seems the Cougars scored 2 in the bottom of the 8th on a bases loaded walk and a bases loaded hit batsman.  Oh well, that's one for the USASAC.
Title: Re: Excuse this rookie question
Post by: narch on March 08, 2006, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 08, 2006, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 05, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
What's this "karma" thing all about?
If you like what someone says or does, you can give them a "karma" point once in an 18-hour period by pressing "applaud."  If, on the other hand, you strongly disagree or think someone is being a jerk, you can "smite" them and take away karma.  lol  It's kind of like the stock exchange - it fluctuates daily.  lol  By the way, there is no limit to positive or negative karma and you cannot rate or berate yourself.

i think you have to make 200 posts before you can "applaud" or "smite" someone...i'm glad that feature wasn't around in my early days of posting...i might STILL be digging out of a negative hole if that were the case...i used to talk a lot more trash :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on March 08, 2006, 10:57:38 PM
narch - thanks for the karma primer - I wasn't aware of the 200 post rule.
Title: Re: Excuse this rookie question
Post by: BigPoppa on March 09, 2006, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: narch on March 08, 2006, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 08, 2006, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 05, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
What's this "karma" thing all about?
If you like what someone says or does, you can give them a "karma" point once in an 18-hour period by pressing "applaud."  If, on the other hand, you strongly disagree or think someone is being a jerk, you can "smite" them and take away karma.  lol  It's kind of like the stock exchange - it fluctuates daily.  lol  By the way, there is no limit to positive or negative karma and you cannot rate or berate yourself.

i think you have to make 200 posts before you can "applaud" or "smite" someone...i'm glad that feature wasn't around in my early days of posting...i might STILL be digging out of a negative hole if that were the case...i used to talk a lot more trash :)

Karma has very little to do with anythig other than someone taking offense to something you say... I get negative karma all the time... why... because I post the truth and some people are so jaded in their "team-colored glasses" that they cannot see the realities of their own team's flaws. The only reponse they have is to drop a little negative karma my way.

It's the price you pay for telling people things they do not want to hear.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 09, 2006, 03:29:38 PM
big poppa - i've been sending some karma your way the last few days...could someone send the monarch gloves some karma??? - losing 6-0 to bc right now with 5 unearned runs in 5 innings - freshman kevin branch was on the bump and was actually throwing ok, but his defense let him down - it will be tough for the monarchs to come back - the bc pitcher, #24 looked pretty solid - not often you see a lefthander, with some size (i'd say 6'2") and pop in d3 ball
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 09, 2006, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: narch on March 09, 2006, 03:29:38 PM
big poppa - i've been sending some karma your way the last few days...could someone send the monarch gloves some karma??? - losing 6-0 to bc right now with 5 unearned runs in 5 innings - freshman kevin burch was on the bump and was actually throwing ok, but his defense let him down - it will be tough for the monarchs to come back - the bc pitcher, #24 looked pretty solid - not often you see a lefthander, with some size (i'd say 6'2") and pop in d3 ball

Narch... thanks for the Karma. As soon as I am able to deal it out I will toss you a few bones.

I have found that the best way to deal with a bad defense is to swing the crap out of the sticks...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Coop4POY on March 10, 2006, 08:54:06 AM
Ferrum won a good extra inning game at VaWC on Wed. and then got drilled 5-0 on Thursday by the same team. Only got 2 hits! Narch - this USA South / ODAC thing isn't shaping up the way I expected!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 10, 2006, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 10, 2006, 08:54:06 AMNarch - this USA South / ODAC thing isn't shaping up the way I expected!

still a lot of games to be played, but....i'm with you so far :) - part of the problem is what i alluded to earlier in the season...3 game weekends - usasac teams just can't afford to pitch any of the top 4 pitchers beyond tuesday because they might need them on the weekend, so you go into mid-week matchups pitching a number 5 vs. a number 3 or 4 - i think one of the cnu fans said this, though...usasac teams need to start putting a priority on recruiting quality starting pitching DEPTH, and that will help tremendously in regional, mid-week games as well as on a regional/national tournament level - i still have faith that the usasac is a superior baseball conference to the odac this year, and i KNOW that historically that has been the case - mc has won more regionals than the entire odac
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 11, 2006, 07:37:03 PM
I see the mighty panthers got swept today coop got hit around pretty good, 16 hits and allowed eight runs in seven innings.

Shenandoah swept Averett and GC defeated Methodist in the first game.

Capts sweept a double-dip from Castleton St and play Monday at HSC before returning home for a series with GC Saturday.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 11, 2006, 10:00:06 PM
gc swept the monarchs today...need a win on sunday

keever is now 2-0 vs. coop and brandt...impressive
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 12, 2006, 08:44:06 PM
man, the girl lions WAXED the monarchs this weekend...gotta get things right, boys
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Olinemom on March 12, 2006, 11:41:32 PM
Quote from: narch on March 12, 2006, 08:44:06 PM
man, the girl lions WAXED the monarchs this weekend...gotta get things right, boys
I gave you some Karma just now as you said some nice things about my guys.  I'm confused, however.  #24 is 1st base and bqackup catcher Grant French so he couldn't have been pitching.  Shaun is #14 and is the left handed pitcher with a pop to his pitch.  Of course maybe they changed numbers for this season.  At any rate, you do a great job of informing us about many issues and good karma flows your way when I am on the board. :) :) :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 13, 2006, 12:41:53 PM
wow - ferrum took it on the chin this weekend, too, getting swept by ncwc - shenandoah is in 1st place...interesting season
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Coop4POY on March 13, 2006, 04:41:03 PM
I'm speechless - I honestly have no idea what to say about this weekend -
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 13, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 13, 2006, 04:41:03 PM
I'm speechless - I honestly have no idea what to say about this weekend -

I commend your honesty... funny things happen between the lines. It always balances itself out in the end.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on March 13, 2006, 07:49:54 PM
I didn't see the game, but the scoreboard at Guilford's McBane Field said 7-5 visitors.  I guess that's one for the SU Hornets and the USASAC - darn it!  lol
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: InstantO on March 13, 2006, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: narch on March 10, 2006, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 10, 2006, 08:54:06 AMNarch - this USA South / ODAC thing isn't shaping up the way I expected!

still a lot of games to be played, but....i'm with you so far :) - part of the problem is what i alluded to earlier in the season...3 game weekends - usasac teams just can't afford to pitch any of the top 4 pitchers beyond tuesday because they might need them on the weekend, so you go into mid-week matchups pitching a number 5 vs. a number 3 or 4 - i think one of the cnu fans said this, though...usasac teams need to start putting a priority on recruiting quality starting pitching DEPTH, and that will help tremendously in regional, mid-week games as well as on a regional/national tournament level - i still have faith that the usasac is a superior baseball conference to the odac this year, and i KNOW that historically that has been the case - mc has won more regionals than the entire odac

I just got home from the HSC vs. CNU game today and i think that CNU threw there #2 who actually could be considered there number 1...he was extremely effective but seem to run out of gas in the 6th or 7th...HSC threw there #3 and he was very effective throwing off speed...who does CNU have this weekend in conference play or who did they have last weekend to be able to throw their #2?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 13, 2006, 10:22:22 PM
The Capts had an "off" conference weekend this past weekend. CNU played Castleton (VT) in a double-dip Saturday and threw their 1 and 3. Capts play host to Greensboro in a three-game set starting Saturday. He will be back for the weekend, no doubt about it. That kid was on the All-Tournament Team in the World Series as a freshman. Plus, he wasnt recruited, he was a walk-on who turned out to be great find for the Capts. Still early in the year, but he will be up to speed, he usually is able to throw 9 strong, I know he was having some arm trouble last year that kept him out for a bit, Im sure he will be fine. Congrats to the Tigers on a great win.

I hope the USA South coaches realize that this three-game conference schedule crap sucks. They need to go back to two 9's, one on Saturday and one on Sunday. Just my opinion, I could be wrong (as I quote Dennis Miller).
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: InstantO on March 13, 2006, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on March 13, 2006, 10:22:22 PM
The Capts had an "off" conference weekend this past weekend. CNU played Castleton (VT) in a double-dip Saturday and threw their 1 and 3. Capts play host to Greensboro in a three-game set starting Saturday. He will be back for the weekend, no doubt about it. That kid was on the All-Tournament Team in the World Series as a freshman. Plus, he wasnt recruited, he was a walk-on who turned out to be great find for the Capts. Still early in the year, but he will be up to speed, he usually is able to throw 9 strong, I know he was having some arm trouble last year that kept him out for a bit, Im sure he will be fine. Congrats to the Tigers on a great win.

I hope the USA South coaches realize that this three-game conference schedule crap sucks. They need to go back to two 9's, one on Saturday and one on Sunday. Just my opinion, I could be wrong (as I quote Dennis Miller).

I know a couple of the coaches are arguing for a three game weekend in the odac...i think it has it's benefits, but i think that  you are right in the fact that the 3 game series hurts the USASAC...it will undoubtlky hurt the odac if they ever turn to it
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on March 14, 2006, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: InstantO on March 13, 2006, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on March 13, 2006, 10:22:22 PM
The Capts had an "off" conference weekend this past weekend. CNU played Castleton (VT) in a double-dip Saturday and threw their 1 and 3. Capts play host to Greensboro in a three-game set starting Saturday. He will be back for the weekend, no doubt about it. That kid was on the All-Tournament Team in the World Series as a freshman. Plus, he wasnt recruited, he was a walk-on who turned out to be great find for the Capts. Still early in the year, but he will be up to speed, he usually is able to throw 9 strong, I know he was having some arm trouble last year that kept him out for a bit, Im sure he will be fine. Congrats to the Tigers on a great win.

I hope the USA South coaches realize that this three-game conference schedule crap sucks. They need to go back to two 9's, one on Saturday and one on Sunday. Just my opinion, I could be wrong (as I quote Dennis Miller).

I know a couple of the coaches are arguing for a three game weekend in the odac...i think it has it's benefits, but i think that  you are right in the fact that the 3 game series hurts the USASAC...it will undoubtlky hurt the odac if they ever turn to it
Since the ODAC has ten schools, they can play 18 conference games with just a doubleheader or  home and away games against geographically closer schools.  With only seven baseball playing schools, I guess the USASAC thinks they need a three-game series to make a decent conference slate.   Personally, I hope the ODAC doesn't adopt it.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on March 15, 2006, 01:41:15 PM
I saw this in the NY section of this site and liked it:  www.baseballreference.com/schools/   
You can see how many major leaguers went to each school and when they played.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 15, 2006, 09:21:39 PM
the monarchs can't seem to win a game, losing 4-3 to guilford today
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 18, 2006, 06:21:42 PM
Capts and the Pride split a double-dip with CNU winning game one, 6-3 and GC winning game two, 4-1.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 19, 2006, 04:56:13 PM
Capts put an 8-spot up on the Pride in the fourth inning and come away with a 10-5 win.

I hear Ferrum finished off their sweep of Shenandoah and I see NCW won both yesterday, no result as of 5 pm on game three.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 20, 2006, 08:12:07 AM
monarchs step out of conference and sweep piedmont - brandt fired a cg, 5 hitter on saturday...maybe he's rounding into form - the monarchs NEED him to...big series against the capts this weekend (with 3 non-conf tilts between)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 22, 2006, 02:01:27 PM
monarchs get a 3-2 win under the lights (first time ever...a little mc history made last night) to climb above .500 at 11-10 - play tufts today

coach austin is probably thinking that mc should join the gsac now - with 2 wins vs. lagrange, 2 vs. piedmont and 1 vs. m'ville to go with a loss to huntingdon, the monarchs are 5-1 vs. the gsac
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 23, 2006, 01:54:37 PM
tufts wins 3-1...monarchs are REALLY struggling to score runs of late, but the pitching seems to be turning a corner - endicott today and frosh sholar on the hill...he's a big boy...hope he pitches well
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 25, 2006, 08:05:30 PM
the monarchs win two today vs. cnu...the first in dramatic fashion and the second with a dominating performance by denning, striking out 14 - a sweep sure would be nice, boys...go get 'em

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/cnu1.htm)

game one box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb03251.htm)...nice pitching duel between moreland and brandt

game 2 box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb03252.htm)...clearly denning's best game as a monarch
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 25, 2006, 10:27:58 PM
Narch-
   Were you there in the ninth when MC tied it? I heard something about the CNU catcher wasnt at the plate for the play on the tying run. Just curious if you saw it.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 26, 2006, 09:23:06 PM
the monarchs finish off the sweep in 12 innings today...i love 3 game series when you win all 3 :)

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/cnu2.htm)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb0326.htm)

there were a couple of guys who had a TOUGH day at the office...robinson and corbin were a combined 0-13...ouch

cates pitched well in relief, goin 2 2/3 hitless for the w

goose...didn't make the games this weekend...it was my little girl's 3rd b-day :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on March 26, 2006, 10:17:08 PM
I believe everyone loves three-games series when their team wins all three!!

Happy Birthday lil narch!!

Hope she had a great weekend.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 27, 2006, 02:48:57 PM
i think you can pencil in ncwc as the regular season champs...i don't see them dropping more than one game to su, and they would need to lose 2 games for gc to have a chance (with a sweep of su) since they own the tiebreaker with gc - ncwc owns the tie-break and a 3 game lead in the win column vs. ferrum, so fc would have to win one more game than ncwc to win the title (which probably means winning out) - mc might have the easiest path since they have su and au left...it's POSSIBLE to sweep those six games, though unlikely...and they own the tie break

interesting season!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 28, 2006, 01:35:18 PM
a little recap of some earlier conversations - this was re: the best offensive player in the usasac

Quote from: narch on March 01, 2006, 11:17:39 PM
brent justice from gc is off to a nice start...
Quote from: Coop4POY on March 06, 2006, 08:46:31 PM
Narch - I'm going to say Jenkins from SU based off of what I read. Based off last year I'm going to say Corbin from CNU. Based off what I've seen this year I'm going to say Thomas from FC.

here is jenkins line for his 12 conference games:
.423, 10 r, 2 2b, 2 3b, 5 rbi, 3-5 sb

here is thomas' line for his  12 games:
.358, 12 r, 6 2b, 2 hr, 13 rbi, 6-6 sb

here is justice's line for his 15 games:
.317, 21 r, 4 2b, 4 rbi, 11-14 sb

here is the guy i think is the leader at this point:
pat burgess, gc...in 15 games
.333, 17 r, 5 2b, 5 hr, 20 rbi, 0-0 sb

honorable mention is the monarchs steve cornelius, who is putting up nice numbers after being pressed into 1b duty (he was a pitcher previously)...in 12 games
.429, 11 r, 2 2b, 1 3b, 18 rbi, 2-4 sb

and chris pecora, ncwc...in 15 games
.383, 16 r, 2 2b, 3 3b, 2 hr, 16 rbi, 12-12 sb
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 28, 2006, 01:45:48 PM
ok, let's review the pre-season pitcher of the year nominees

rice, ncwc - 4-1, 2.20 era, 5 cg, 1 sho, 38 k, 45 ip
ryan cooper, fc - 1-2, 4.50 era, 1 cg, 18 k, 24 ip
andrew keever, gc - 3-1, 4.59 era, 16k, 33.1 ip
kenny moreland, cnu - 2-1, 2.64 era, 40 k, 30.2 ip
ryan brandt, mc - 1-2, 5.79 era, 21 k, 25 ip

rice has just one competitor for this award, if you ask me, but it's not much competition...teammate kyle robertson who is:
4-1, 2.41, 1 cg, 17 k, 37.1 ip

moreland has an outside shot, but he's going to have to be special in his last 2 conference starts, if you ask me...those 5 cg in 5 starts for rice are pretty impressive

brandt, cooper and keever have all been disappointments this season, but cooper and brandt still have a couple of conference starts to turn things around a bit...i'll still take brandt in a big game 8 days a week, but rice is nice, too
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 29, 2006, 10:32:29 PM
monarchs get a nice non-conference win vs. vwc today - vwc started their #3 starter, the monarchs had sholar take the hill for his second collegiate start and 3rd collegiate appearance - he pitched well through 3, but gave up 3 runs in 3.1 innings - then kelly, varnell, denning and brandt all pitched in relief...not a bad strategy in a mid-week game to get those guys on the hill for an inning or 2 - mc is now 16-11 and has won 5 straight and 8 of 9...not bad for a team that was 8-10 just a few weeks ago - big series vs. averett this weekend - a sweep keeps the monarchs in contention for the #1 seed...go monarchs

fayetteville observer game story/story about the lights on shelley field (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=229759)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 01, 2006, 09:29:26 PM
updating some results from today...the monarchs won game one vs. averett today...game 2 is tied 2-2 and will be finished on sunday - fc and cnu split with cooper getting the w in relief in game one and the captains winning big in game 2 - gc and su split

brandt pitched solid...gave up 12 hits, but only 1 er, got the wind, and more importantly, pitched 8 innings - keever got rocked, giving up 7 er in 3 ip - moreland pitched 8 solid innings, giving up just 4 er's, but got the loss - cooper pitched 2 2/3 giving up 4 hits and no er in relief to get the win - looks like denning pitched solidly, in game 2 for the monarchs as they had a 2-1 lead going into the 8th...not sure how long he lasted, but either way, the worst he did was give up 2 er in 8 ip

here are the up-to-date conference standings, sorted by losses with sunday match ups:

ncwc, 10-5 (non-conf)
mc, 8-5 (au, 2)
fc, 8-6 (cnu)
gc, 10-7 (su)
cnu, 6-8 (fc)
su, 6-8 (gc)
au, 2-11 (mc, 2)

if the monarchs can squeak out 2 wins on sunday, it will put a lot of pressure on the bishops to sweep a very solid cnu team, especially knowing that they have to be one game better than the monarchs because of the tie-break situation - go monarchs!

for what it's worth, the monarch softball team swept gc today and fc and cnu split, meaning the 8th ranked monarchs have most likely clinched the regular season title (they still have ferrum left and fc will need to sweep mc to win the title, assuming they win the rest of their conference games) - mc women's tennis beat cnu today, most likely clinching that conference championship, as well
Title: SU takes 2 of 3 from Greensboro
Post by: wincinsider on April 02, 2006, 05:04:31 PM
The seedings get more interesting as Shenandoah takes 2 of 3 from Greensboro.

Greensboro is just about as busch league as they come.  Last year during the Conference tourney, they had a kid going thru the post game greeting yelling profanity to the SU players  with a chicken around his neck.

The SU coach addressed the Greensboro coach and he said he could not control the kid, Sutton ?  if I recall correctly.

Today, a Greensboro player was trying to beat out an infield hit but was throw out at 1st base BUT when he went thru the bag ... he slapped the SU player in the head while knocking off the SU 1st baseman's hat.

Congrats to Coach Anderson is running a 1st class program that was a dog and pony show in previous years.

Folks, SU baseball is a program that cannot be overlooked.

Regards !

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: wincinsider on April 02, 2006, 10:13:37 PM
As for OFFENSIVE players in the running ... you must add SU's RYAN ANDERSON
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: wincinsider on April 02, 2006, 10:16:07 PM
Here's Anderson's line ...

Individual Batting            g     avg     ab      r      h     rbi     2b     3b     hr     bb
ANDERSON, Ryan SUB     30     .431     123     29   53      48     10      4         1       7
JENKINS, David SUB        30        .417    127     38     53     22     6     3     1     7
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 02, 2006, 10:16:50 PM
welcome aboard, wincinsider - if your comments are true, they certainly don't speak well for gc

the monarchs got 2 w's vs. au today - varnell picked up both wins - he pitched 1.2 hitless innings in the suspended game with 3 k's, then got the start in game 3, going 6 strong and giving up just 4 hits and 2 er to go with 4 k's...not a bad days work - 2 wins, 7.2 ip, 4 h, 2er, 7 k's

one more weekend to determine the #1 seed and regular season championship - the bishops have to win one more than the monarchs to get that #1 seed, but ferrum has an outside shot, especially since they are playing averett...i expect the panthers to sweep the cougars, and if the monarchs AND bishops lose 2, you've got a 3 way co-championship - i think the monarchs would win that tie break by virtue of a 4-2 record vs. ncwc and ferrum - ncwc has a 3-3 record (swept ferrum, swept by mc) - fc has a 2-4 record (2-1 vs. mc, 0-3 vs. ncwc) - if fc and mc finish in a first place tie, the panthers hold the tie break, but they would need to sweep au AND have su to take at least 2 at shelley field AND have ncwc swept by cnu - i'm liking the monarchs chances, but they have to get things done against su and hope that cnu can take at least one from ncwc...i'd prefer no tie-break scenarios coming into play - gc's only hope is that mc and ncwc BOTH get swept and that fc loses 2...i think they would win the tie-break vs. mc and ncwc in a 3 way scenario (4-2 record, vs. 3-3 for mc, vs. 2-4 for ncwc)...i don't think they would win a 4 way tie (i think ncwc would...both ncwc and gc have a 5-4 record in the gc/mc/fc/ncwc series, but ncwc won 2 of 3 vs. gc)

current standings:
mc, 10-5 (vs. su)
ncwc, 10-5 (@cnu)
gc, 10-8 (finished)
fc, 8-7 (vs. au)
su, 7-8 (@mc)
cnu, 7-8 (vs. ncwc)
au, 2-13 (@ fc)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: wincinsider on April 02, 2006, 10:22:48 PM
It is true, I witnessed myself. 

I know it's a long shot ... but everyone BUT Averett could finish at 10-8 in the conference, now would not that be something ???

The USA-South needs to rethink their 3 game sets, they are beating up on each way to much ... it only hurts the USA-South teams chances at an at-large bid. 

The USA-South needs to goto just 2 game sets.  A 12 game conference schedule is enough.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 02, 2006, 10:40:12 PM
Quote from: wincinsider on April 02, 2006, 10:16:07 PM
Here's Anderson's line ...

Individual Batting            g     avg     ab      r      h     rbi     2b     3b     hr     bb
ANDERSON, Ryan SUB     30     .431     123     29   53      48     10      4         1       7
JENKINS, David SUB        30        .417    127     38     53     22     6     3     1     7


anderson's numbers go down quite a bit in conference games (which is all that should count for a conference award, in my opinion...who cares what a guy did against psa, emu, gettysburg, or e-town...those teams aren't very good, so i would EXPECT a guy to light up that pitching

here are andersons numbers in conference games through saturday (the usasac doesn't have today's stats up yet)

.345, 8 r, 2 2b, 1 3b, 14 rbi, .785 ops (on base + slugging %), 5-5 sb (14 gm)

here are the in conference stats for some of the others that i think are leaders:
jenkins, su - .410, 12 r, 2 2b, 2 3b, 5 rbi, .939 ops, 5-7 sb (14 gm)
cornelius, mc - .424, 13 r, 3 2b, 1 3b, 19 rbi, .985 ops, 2-4 sb (13 gm)
burgess, gc - .319, 17 r, 5 2b, 5 hr, 24 rbi, .979 ops (17 gm)

sorry, but your boy anderson just doesn't stack up in the games that really matter...burgess is going to win offensive poty, hands down, but i think cornelius deserves some recognition (of course, i'm a bit biased :))

i'm with you on the three game sets...not only are we beating each other up, but we're playing 3 9-inning games...i think the odac plays a 9 and a 7,  if i'm not mistaken - when we match up with an odac team mid week (these are the majority of the non-conference, in-region games played by the usasac), our pitching is DEPLETED...they've only had to throw 16 innings on the weekend vs. 27 for usasac teams
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: wincinsider on April 02, 2006, 10:49:04 PM
I did not check out the link for the conference games ... but he should be considered for all-conference.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 04, 2006, 10:24:58 PM
Capts come up with a big win on the road at No. 8 Mary Wash., handing the Eagles their first home loss of the year. Final was 4-1. Corbin was 2-for-4 with 2 RBI. Kid hit 692 in the three-game series at Ferrum and seems to be catching fire at the right time. Freshman Brandon Berry went six strong and sophomore Ryan McDougal, who has also been stroking the ball as of late, pitched the final three for his first save.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 04, 2006, 10:39:39 PM
goose...i've been watching corbin light up a little lately, as well - could be trouble for anyone playing cnu in the last weekend :)

gc loses to lynchburg today
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 05, 2006, 09:44:09 AM
As CNU fans, we can only hope he's starting to catch fire now. Hopefully he will continue his hot hitting into this weekend's all-important three-game series with the Bishops. Should be exciting as the conference schedule concludes this weekend.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 05, 2006, 01:55:42 PM
i changed the poll a little - i think mc will take 2 of 3 from su this weekend and i think cnu will win AT LEAST one game against ncwc, making the monarchs the #1 seed

previous poll had ncwc getting 3 votes as conf regular season champ
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 05, 2006, 10:48:42 PM
i just saw the potw awards for last week, and i must say that casey varnell from mc got jobbed - no doubt brower was big for the captains against ferrum, going 7 shutout innings with 5h, 2 bb and 6 k's, but look at what varnell did last week

vs. vwc on 3/29
1 ip, 2 k, 0 h, 0 bb, 0 er

vs. au on 4/1
1 ip, 1 k, 0 h, 0 bb, 0 er, 1 save

vs. au game 2 on 4/2
1.2 ip, 3 k, 0 h, 0 bb, 0 er, 1 win

vs. au game 3 on 4/2
6 ip, 4 k, 4 h, 4 bb, 2 er, 1 win

cumulative stats for the week
9.2 ip, 10 k, 4 h, 4 bb, 2 er, 2 wins, 1 save

how can that NOT be pitcher of the week?  he had a hand in 3 conference wins and a regional win
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 06, 2006, 11:25:33 PM
4/6 One for the USASAC today as Greensboro tops Guilford, 12-7.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 07, 2006, 03:06:07 PM
i love that ncwc played lagrange yesterday (winning 8-3) and plays vwc today going into the 3 game weekend vs. cnu...really shortens their pitching staff significantly and increases the chances of cnu winning a game or 2 and the monarchs winning the conference :)

i can't imagine why the ncwc coaching staff would schedule 5 games over a 4 day period like that...maybe they want to simulate an environment similar to the conference tournament, but that #1 seed is crucial and that means the regular season is crucial, if you ask me...too much risk, too little reward
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 07, 2006, 10:11:34 PM
I think they had in mind the chance for six of the seven teams to finish 10-8 on the year!! Hopefully the rain will stay away long enough or not deluge tonight so they can play tomorrow. Sunday's suppsed to be nice, but not Saturday.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 07, 2006, 10:24:49 PM
ncwc gets pounded 15-7 by vwc - another example of why 3 game weekends are bad...ncwc uses 5 pitchers who have accounted for 40.2 ip and 15 appearances on the season...vwc uses 4 pitchers who total 52 appearances and 104.1 ip, including their pitcher who has the most starts and ip on the season and their top reliever, who leads the team in appearances and is second in era - if the usasac is playing a 7 and a 9 over the weekend, or even 2 9's, maybe ncwc could use one of their top 3 pitchers to counter vwc, who used 2 of their top pitchers

on an "other sports" front...the monarch men's tennis team beat cnu today and ferrum yesterday, clinching at least a tie for the conference championship - the softball team has clinched a share of the conference championship - the women's tennis team has clinched a share of the conference championship and both the golf team and the baseball team have legit shots at a conference championship (not to mention the women's golf national championship that is on the horizon...they shot a 622 and won a recent 2 day d1 tournament) - it's been another strong spring for the monarchs during the regular season...hopefully that will translate to success in the conference tournaments
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 08, 2006, 04:25:48 PM
You are on your way narch!! Capts win game one over the Bishops, 5-1. Game two called before it even started due to moist weather. The two will play a doubleheader Sunday at 12 pm.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 08, 2006, 11:02:05 PM
thanks capts...take 2 more for good measure on sunday :)

monarchs win 11-5 vs. su on saturday...second rained out after 1 1/2 innings - brandt went 8 solid, striking out 9 and giving up 2 er (5 total) - brandt struggled a bit with control, but some of that could be due to weather and a damp ball - the monarchs scratched and clawed for all 11 runs...nice win for mc

some observations about su - it's interesting they went with their #3 starter vs. brandt...that's something mc saw a lot last year as teams basically said "we'll give you that game, but we think our 1 is better than your 3, and the 2 vs. 2 matchup will decide the series"...it's not a bad theory, actually

the su starter looked pretty solid through 4, and i was shocked to see the coach pull him...he had given up 4 runs and struggled with location some (3 bb), but he only gave up 4 hits in those 4 innings and had good stuff - no offense to any individual player, but the guy they replaced him with looked like he was throwing bp...i could have hit him today, and i'm not joking - everything was straight and slow - he couldn't locate his breaking ball, and the monarch hitters just teed off on him - i think the game could have been a bit different if the starter had been allowed to work through the game...heck, brandt didn't look so good through 4, but he pitched a nice game, and saved the mc relievers for sunday

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2006%20Stats/mcb04081.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 09, 2006, 03:44:28 PM
There you go narch, CNU 3, NCW 2 in game two.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 09, 2006, 05:20:10 PM
Bishops are on their way to salvaging the series, leading 4-0 in the top of the ninth in game three.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 09, 2006, 08:01:37 PM
thanks for the help, capts, but the monarchs didn't need it, finishing off su for their 11th straight win and 14th in 15 games - 13-5 in the usasac after starting 4-5...not bad

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/shenandoah2.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 11, 2006, 06:04:15 PM
http://www.usasouth.net/news/06baseawards.htm awards are out.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2006, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on April 11, 2006, 06:04:15 PM
http://www.usasouth.net/news/06baseawards.htm awards are out.

goose - thanks for the heads up...interesting stuff

maloney gets the award based largely on his performance in non-conference games...he hit .413 with 17 r, 3 hr, 14 rbi and 2 sb in 18 conference games, but a whopping .429 with 18 r, 6 hr, 32 rbi and 1 sb against non-conference foes - his numbers are hard to argue with, but give me a guy like steve cornelius, who steps up in the games that really matter (conference games) 8 days a week - cornelius hit .395 with 17 r, 0 hr, 20 rbi and 2 sb in 18 conference games, and hit .348 with 7 r, 0 hr, 14 rbi and 1 sb in 14 non-conference games...or maybe a guy like chris pecora from ncwc who hit .365, 18 r, 2 hr, 17 rbi, 12 sb in conference games but slumped a bit to .355, 19 r, 0 hr, 10 rbi, 16 sb in 20 non-conf games

gc had 5 first-team all conference players, yet finished 4th in the conference...the first place monarchs hasd 3 first teamers, the 2nd place bishops had 3 and 3rd place ferrum had 1 - the pride also placed 2 on the second team to the monarchs one and ferrum's 2 (ncwc placed 5 on the second team and another 2 on the 3rd team to lead the conference with 10 all-conf selections)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2006, 10:42:56 PM
another interesting question - when is gc going to turn all these major individual awards into something better than a #4 seed?

in the last 4 years gc has been:
#4 seed, despite having the offensive poty (2006)
#5 seed, despite having the offensive poty (2005)
#6 seed, despite having the pitcher oty (2004)
#5 seed, despite having the rookie pitcher oty (2003)

gc has garnered 25% of the individual awards over the last 4 years, and has never been better than a #4
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: JAF on April 12, 2006, 12:21:41 PM
Any word on Game 1 of the tournament?

Goose are you out there?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 12, 2006, 02:04:40 PM
Ya Im here in sunny Burlington. CNU took game one, 4-3 over the Pride. Kenny Moreland, CNU's only first team all-conference performer pitching on three days rest tossed a complete game win for the Captains. You can reach the tournament website thru cnu's webpage and the USA South site.

Game two going on right now, NC Wesleyan leads 2-0 in the top of the third inning.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on April 12, 2006, 02:12:32 PM
Why is their conference tourney played so early? Most conference don't have their until another three weeks from now. What do they do while waiting for the bids to come out?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 12, 2006, 02:26:04 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 12, 2006, 02:12:32 PM
Why is their conference tourney played so early? Most conference don't have their until another three weeks from now. What do they do while waiting for the bids to come out?

bigpoppa - i can only speak for mc, but i know it's traditionally been a good time for the monarchs to play some strong regional competition - traditionally the monarchs will play teams like hsc, emory, york and salisbury (as they are this year) - in years that you win the conference tourney, these games give you a good insight into the teams you may face in the upcoming regional - in years that  you don't win the conference tourney (like last year for mc), it gives you a chance to play your way into a pool c slot - it didn't work so well for the monarchs last year, despite going 2-0 vs. emory, beating b'water and splitting with salisbury to end the season after a 2-2 showing in the conference tourney (losing 2 one-run games to ferrum)

another consideration is finals - i know the last week of april is always finals week at mc, so even if you pushed it back, you could really only push it back one week

lastly (and i think this is GREAT) the conference has gone to a nuetral location and all of the spring conference tournaments are being held in one city (burlington)...there may have been some availability issues with facilities in and around burlington
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 12, 2006, 02:32:32 PM
goose - updates all day would be much appreciated :) - good win for the captains...in the poll above i considered cnu the biggest threat, along with ncwc because of pitching depth, then mc because of their finish and ferrum because...well they're ferrum and they're always a threat to win this tournament - i don't think any other teams have a legit chance to win, but we'll see soon enough!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 12, 2006, 02:44:46 PM
Plus, I think Averett's exams start next week if not mistaken, they get done REAL early.

Update: NCW still leads the Cougars 2-0, bottom of the six. NCW scored twice in the first and neither team has really threatened since then.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: JAF on April 12, 2006, 03:01:52 PM
Goose,

Thanks for the updates, the USA south is not posting any updates and is very slow to post the results.

Do you have any insight as to who will get the ball for the Captians tonight against the Monarchs? Both Blanchard and Brower would be going on only 2 days rest if they were called on tonight.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 12, 2006, 03:17:07 PM
The problem here is that we are on a dial up modem, there is no highspeed line in the pressbox, so we are on dial up here which sucks, but, you take what you get. Still 2-0 NCW going into the bottom of the 8th inning. Five total hits between the two teams from the 2nd thru the top of the 8th.

Rumor has it that Steven Mingee will get the start tonight for the Capts. He tossed three innings I think on Sunday and threw well. But that hasnt been confirmed for sure.

JAF - Do I know you?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 12, 2006, 04:31:28 PM
NCW finished off Averett 3-0. Great pitchers dual between Pearson and Shumate.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 12, 2006, 10:13:27 PM
goose...update me...when you get a chance :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 13, 2006, 01:47:12 AM
Sorry narch!! Been busy, just got back to the hotel.

Shenandoah won in 10, 13-6, they score eight in the top of the 10th.

MC won a barnburner 4-3 in 12 over CNU. Capts led 1-0, MC scored two on a bloop single in no-man's land to go up 2-1 in the bottom of the 8th. Capts scratch a run across to tie it at 2-2 in the top of the 9th. CNU re-took the lead in the top of the 11th with a single run. MC answered with two outs with a run in the bottom of the inning. MC won it with a base hit to center in the 12th. Great game, looong damn day.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2006, 08:18:58 AM
goose - thanks for the update...i read the game story first thing this morning...sounds like a GREAT game - the capts had me worried, and apparently rightfully so - russell, carter and hunt came up HUGE for the monarchs and brandt sounds like he really answered the call - he pitched 10.2 innings with 13 k's and allowed just 8 hits - mc used varnell for just 1.1 inning, so he should be ready to go if needed on friday - that's a HUGE win for the monarchs...lots of elimination games today
Title: USA-South Tourney website ...
Post by: wincinsider on April 13, 2006, 10:15:57 AM
http://www.averett.edu/statistics/usas06/home.htm
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2006, 02:24:25 PM
ferrum eliminated au and is playing an elimination game with cnu right now...one of those teams will be done for the tourney after today, and as a monarch fan this makes me happy :)

greensboro and su play an elimination game, as well today - agains, as a monarch fan this makes me happy :), although i don't think either of these teams has a legit chance to win this tournament even if they win today

su lost a 6-5 game to ncwc (blake threw 9 innings for ncwc) - the monarchs and ncwc will play friday - i like the way ncwc's pitching is shaping up...they got a great performance from their #4 pitcher (cg shutout) against au yesterday and a complete game from their #1 pitcher today allowing them to pitch #2 and # 3 and any available relievers on Friday (if they need to play 2 games) - i imagine robertson will match up with denning...should be a great game - the monarchs need denning to step up and throw a big game

anyone have any updates on cnu/fc?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2006, 03:43:21 PM
goose, anybody...who's going home?  is it the captains or the panthers...i need an update, this is KILLING me :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Hampton U SID on April 13, 2006, 04:37:22 PM
cnu up 8-6 in bottom 8
you can listen through ferrum website
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2006, 04:47:04 PM
panthers eliminated, 9-7 by cnu - 3 and done for the #9 pre-season team...ouch

coop4poy - get down from that bridge :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 14, 2006, 01:17:32 AM
We will be broadcasting all three games tomorrow thru the internet. Im not sure you can access all the games, I think if you go to Averett's webcast page, you should be able to get access to the broadcast. The new play-by-play person for the Burlington Indians will be on the call.

Great come from behind win for the capts, as they trailed 6-1 after 2 1/2 innings. CNU hit two jacks all year (both by John Corbin). The long ball was in full effect today as NCW and SU each hit one in their game at Elon and there was one by AU and one by FC in their game while CNU followed with two jacks in its win over FC and GC's Maloney yoked one in their win over SU. PS There were no home runs hit AT ALL in last year's conference tourny.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 14, 2006, 11:53:38 AM
Get the broadcasts thru the baseball tournament site and NOT AVERETT!!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: JAF on April 14, 2006, 12:32:49 PM
Goose,

What's up with Corbin? Why was he not in the lineup yesterday?


And to answer your question from the other day, no you do not know me. I'm just someone who follows CNU sports. I used to post on the old format under a different name.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 14, 2006, 01:59:23 PM
Corbin got hit in the hand during the Methodist game Wednesday night and it got really swollen overnight, so he didnt play at all yesterday. But I was told yesterday that he will be back in the line up today.

NC Wesleyan erupts for three in the fifth and still batting in the sixth and have already pushed across five runs and lead 11-4 over Methodist.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 14, 2006, 02:39:07 PM
sounds like ncwc is POUNDING monarch pitching, leading 13-7 in the bottom of the 8th - monarchs need to hold and hope for a miracle comeback in the top of the 9th

can anyone explain why ncwc would be the home team as the #2 seed?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 14, 2006, 02:49:37 PM
the monarchs are booting the ball around, walking in runs...15-7 ncwc in the bottom of the 8th...still just 2 outs...not good
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 14, 2006, 03:14:33 PM
monarchs go to the loser's bracket, losing 16-10...play the winner of the gc/cnu game
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 14, 2006, 10:31:08 PM
gc ends the monarchs tournament run, 3-2 - frosh kelly pitched a gem, going 8 and giving up just 3 hits and 1 er...looks like a monarch error (or errors) and a hit batter with the bases loaded allowed 2 runs to score in the 9th and giving gc the win - last year mc beat gc 5 times, including the regular season and conference tourney...this year the pride beat mc 4 times in the regular season and conference tourney

the monarchs still have an outside shot at a regional birth with 2 vs. emory, 2 vs. salisbury, 2 vs. york and 1 vs. hsc still on the schedule - i think if they go 5-2 in those 7 regional games, they should have a bid with the expanded playoff system...that would make mc 29-15...not a lock, but certainly not out of the question, either

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 01:01:30 AM
They probably want a regional berth, not a birth. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2006, 01:13:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 01:01:30 AM
They probably want a regional berth, not a birth. :)
Perhaps they're hoping for the Immaculate Selection.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 15, 2006, 01:29:49 AM
NCW was the home team by virtue of a coin flip I believe. Each team had been the home team once and NCW was the visiting team in its second game, but I think they flipped for home.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on April 15, 2006, 02:02:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 01:01:30 AM
They probably want a regional berth, not a birth. :)

Pat.... you make me laugh.

By the way... this site is the best thing anyone has ever done for small school sports.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 15, 2006, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: hasanova on April 15, 2006, 01:13:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 01:01:30 AM
They probably want a regional berth, not a birth. :)
Perhaps they're hoping for the Immaculate Selection.

'nova - that's EXACTLY what i meant :)

pat - thanks for pointing out the e-2 in my post...:)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2006, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: hasanova on April 15, 2006, 01:13:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 01:01:30 AM
They probably want a regional berth, not a birth. :)
Perhaps they're hoping for the Immaculate Selection.

'nova - that's EXACTLY what i meant :)

pat - thanks for pointing out the e-2 in my post...:)

Sorry -- figured someone might play the academic standards card on you. :)

Thanks, BigPoppa. I'm enjoying reading about baseball. Unfortunately, with the way things work in my household, we need my wife to work and since she takes a lot of time off in March ... :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 16, 2006, 10:20:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 15, 2006, 03:46:40 PM
Sorry -- figured someone might play the academic standards card on you. :)

absolutely...i'm big enough to take the heat AND dish it :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 17, 2006, 09:47:04 PM
congrats to the bishops on a well-deserved tournament championship...they sure did get hot with the bats over the weekend - i think they've got the pitching depth necessary to make a run in the regionals and beyond, especially if they can put the bat on the ball the way they did this weekend

still think the monarchs need 5 wins to get into the regional

not sure about ferrum's chances...what do they have left?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 17, 2006, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2006, 09:47:04 PM
congrats to the bishops on a well-deserved tournament championship...they sure did get hot with the bats over the weekend - i think they've got the pitching depth necessary to make a run in the regionals and beyond, especially if they can put the bat on the ball the way they did this weekend

still think the monarchs need 5 wins to get into the regional

not sure about ferrum's chances...what do they have left?
I knew they played Guilford in Martinsville on 4/18, but I just looked up the rest of their schedule.  The Panthers also have Lynchburg at home on the 19th, E&H in Pulaski on the 20th and Roanoke in Salem on the 25th & 26th.  None are freebies although E&H is having a slightly down year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 18, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: hasanova on April 17, 2006, 10:54:11 PM...although E&H is having a slightly down year.

6-25 os a SLIGHTLY down year?  'nova, you're way too generous :)

guilford is 22-14, so that would be a solid regional win if the panthers could pull it off

lynchburg is 19-13...same deal...solid win if they pull it out

roanoke is 15-17...i don't think they help fc any, but they could really hurt the panthers if they lose to them

ehc is 6-25...must win for fc

i think the monarchs are realistically the only team that COULD make a case because of the strength of remaining opponents - emory and salisbury are both regionally ranked and york is always solid (although i have no idea what their current record is)

[edit]
monarch remaining opponents and record:
hsc, 19-13 - today
emory, 29-6, 4/22 & 4/23
salisbury, 27-5, 5/5 (dh)
york, 18-10-1, 5/12 (dh)

hsc is a must-win
emory and salisbury need to be at least splits
york needs to be a dh sweep

IF the above scenario happens, the monarchs will be 28-15 with wins against emory, salisbury and lagrange who are all likely to be regionally ranked (overall record vs. those teams would be 4-2, as well as a 3-1 record vs. ncwc, who will likely be regionally ranked) - i think the above scenario is the ONLY way the monarchs will make the regional
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 18, 2006, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: hasanova on April 17, 2006, 10:54:11 PM...although E&H is having a slightly down year.

6-25 os a SLIGHTLY down year?  'nova, you're way too generous :)
you know how we Southerners are - understated without trying to be too harsh lol

Someone must have taken offense, however, I got dinged a Karma this morning and all I did was the post on FC's upcoming schedule to you and post a recap of Rob Bittner's fine week for GC (he was ODAC POW as I predicted btw, so I was right) lol
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on April 18, 2006, 12:23:41 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 18, 2006, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: hasanova on April 17, 2006, 10:54:11 PM...although E&H is having a slightly down year.

6-25 os a SLIGHTLY down year?  'nova, you're way too generous :)
you know how we Southerners are - understated without trying to be too harsh lol

Someone must have taken offense, however, I got dinged a Karma this morning and all I did was the post on FC's upcoming schedule to you and post a recap of Rob Bittner's fine week for GC (he was ODAC POW as I predicted btw, so I was right) lol

People can't handle the truth.... I get dinged on karma all the time because I am not afraid to talk about the elephant in the room that everyone else ignores.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 18, 2006, 02:17:24 PM
There you go nova, dont want you to feel upset!!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: cnufan on April 18, 2006, 02:34:16 PM
New poll is out, NCW is 26th in the nation and tied for fourth in the region. MC is tied for 8th with Greensboro

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll41806.pdf
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 18, 2006, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on April 18, 2006, 02:17:24 PMThere you go nova, dont want you to feel upset!!
Thanks - I appreciate that Goose.  I wasn't really upset - I just didn't understand what in the heck I said that someone didn't like.  lol
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 18, 2006, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 18, 2006, 12:23:41 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 18, 2006, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: hasanova on April 17, 2006, 10:54:11 PM...although E&H is having a slightly down year.

6-25 os a SLIGHTLY down year?  'nova, you're way too generous :)
you know how we Southerners are - understated without trying to be too harsh lol

Someone must have taken offense, however, I got dinged a Karma this morning and all I did was the post on FC's upcoming schedule to you and post a recap of Rob Bittner's fine week for GC (he was ODAC POW as I predicted btw, so I was right) lol

People can't handle the truth.... I get dinged on karma all the time because I am not afraid to talk about the elephant in the room that everyone else ignores.
Yeah, BigPoppa, I think you're right.  I, for one, appreciate your candor.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2006, 11:04:07 PM
Concerning the poll at the top, please calculate the in-region records using the Baseball Handbook for South Region teams.

(I doubt that there are any 200-mile radius teams involved.)

As with basketball, the in-region records and other criteria listed in the Handbook are how the Selection committee will award a Pool C bid.

2006 Baseball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/baseball/2006/2006_d3_baseball_handbook.pdf)

You guys have done the drill for Hoops!  I know you can do this for Baseball! ;)

Please try it.  If you want to show your work as a trial run, please feel free and we can all learn.  Consider it open proof-reading!  8)

I will try it for the ASC later in the season.  :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 18, 2006, 11:21:28 PM
ralph...working on regional records for those teams right now...i'll have regional opp winning % in the next few days, as well

monarchs win 6-0 vs. hsc today...they needed that - varnell went 5 giving up just 2 hits (but 3 walks)...brandt struck out 3 in 1 ip (getting out of a bases loaded, no out jam that he created by giving up 2 hits and a walk)  - kelly, denning and cates all pitched an inning and gave up just one total hit (hsc was held to 5 hits on the game) - the bigger story is that the monarchs hit TWO hr's...they had hit 2 all season prior to today...the ball was really flying out of shelley field :)

2 big ones vs. #9/#2 emory this weekend, then 2 vs. #4/#1 salisbury the next weekend...need AT LEAST splits, but i'd really like 4-0 :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on April 19, 2006, 09:09:09 AM
Ferrum came from being down 3-0 to beat Guilford 5-3 in Martinsville last night (4/18), so that helps their Pool C hopes.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2006, 09:29:35 AM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2006, 11:21:28 PM
ralph...working on regional records for those teams right now...i'll have regional opp winning % in the next few days, as well

monarchs win 6-0 vs. hsc today...they needed that - varnell went 5 giving up just 2 hits (but 3 walks)...brandt struck out 3 in 1 ip (getting out of a bases loaded, no out jam that he created by giving up 2 hits and a walk)  - kelly, denning and cates all pitched an inning and gave up just one total hit (hsc was held to 5 hits on the game) - the bigger story is that the monarchs hit TWO hr's...they had hit 2 all season prior to today...the ball was really flying out of shelley field :)

2 big ones vs. #9/#2 emory this weekend, then 2 vs. #4/#1 salisbury the next weekend...need AT LEAST splits, but i'd really like 4-0 :)

Narch, thanks!

Please list the in-region outcomes if you have time, in the meantime!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 20, 2006, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2006, 09:29:35 AMPlease list the in-region outcomes if you have time, in the meantime!

the regional records above are current through yesterday

i've also analyzed regional opponent winning % for the 3 teams:

mc
21-11 vs. teams that are currently .579 (319-232-2)
6 remaining games against teams who are currently .779
mc is 5-0 vs. sub .500 teams and will not play another sub .500 team

fc
25-11 vs. teams that are currently .554 (300-242-1)
3 remaining games against teams who are currently .354
fc is currently 7-2 vs. sub .500 teams and plays 3 more games against sub .500 teams

gc
20-13 vs. teams that are currently .563 (.267-207-2)
1 remaining game against emory, currently 29-6 (.828)
gc is currently 6-0 vs. sub .500 teams

i think that RIGHT NOW, ferrum looks slightly more attractive because of the 4 additional wins vs. mc and 5 additional wins vs. gc - fc is likely to win 3 more, making them 28-11 in region, and that will be tough to keep home - i still contend that if the monarchs go 4-2 against emory, salisbury and york, they should be the pick among these teams...3-3 MIGHT do it, too - what the usasac really has to hope for is that b'water can win the odac tourney...bc clearly has an edge over any of the usasac schools because of the record (even though they've played far inferior competition) and all of these teams (and probably su and cnu) are better than the next best odac team, in my opinion
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 23, 2006, 09:49:20 PM
the monarchs lose 2 to emory, 13-3 and 14-11...gotta sweep ssu and york to have any shot
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2006, 12:17:37 AM
narch, sorry to see the losses to Emory today.  A DH sweep would have helped with the Pool C situation.

When the Regional Rankings come out, I will treat them the way that we treated the Pool C bids in Men's Hoops.  I will assume the highest ranked team in each region is getting the Pool A from their conference and then project the Pool B and Pool C bids.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.596
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 02, 2006, 02:28:02 PM
vwc winning the odac hurt the monarchs as well

ssu is 36-5 and i suspect will be highly ranked in the region (i guess we'll know on thursday, right?)

york is 24-12-1

4 wins would push the monarchs to 28-15 overall and 25-13 in the region against a strong regional schedule, but i don't think it will be enough, even with added pool c bids
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on May 02, 2006, 07:00:09 PM
I have a feeling that Methodist will be left out. There are some great teams this year. That many losses will definitely hurt them.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 03, 2006, 02:17:36 PM
poppa - i think you're right...i've been crunching numbers trying to calculate qowi for each of the usasac hopefuls, and it looks like the best mc can do is 8.85 - ferrum is at 8.9 - haven't gotten around to gc yet, but i suspect they're similar to mc...maybe a little higher because of the win vs. emory...that's a 13 point win

interestingly, the monarchs played the toughest overall schedule of the 3 with a .596 current opp winning % (with ssu and ycp included it's actually .614, but they haven't played those teams yet) compared to .547 for ferrum and .578 for gc, whose seasons are both finished...it was set up well for a pool c bid, i just don't think they won enough games - i'll try to calculate qowi for b'water, as well
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on May 03, 2006, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: narch on May 03, 2006, 02:17:36 PM
poppa - i think you're right...i've been crunching numbers trying to calculate qowi for each of the usasac hopefuls, and it looks like the best mc can do is 8.7 - ferrum is at 8.9 - haven't gotten around to gc yet, but i suspect they're similar to mc...maybe a little higher because of the win vs. emory...that's a 13 point win

interestingly, the monarchs played the toughest overall schedule of the 3 with a .590 current opp winning % (with ssu and ycp included it's actually .610, but they haven't played those teams yet) compared to .547 for ferrum and .578 for gc, whose seasons are both finished...it was set up well for a pool c bid, i just don't think they won enough games - i'll try to calculate qowi for b'water, as well

How do you actually calculate the QOWI? I would be interested in doing it for a few other teams as well.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 03, 2006, 03:15:53 PM
from the ncaa handbook (linked on the regional rankings page by ralph...thanks!)

Selection Criteria – for ranking and selection
The following Primary Criteria (not in priority order) will be reviewed:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Strength-of-schedule index –only contests versus regional competition
Win on the road versus a team at or above .667—14 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .667—13points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667—12 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667—11 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500—10 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500—9 points
Win on the road versus a team below .333—8 points
Win at home versus a team below .333—7 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .667—7 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .667—6 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667—5 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667—4 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500—3 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500—2 points
Loss on the road versus a team below .333—1 point
Loss at home versus a team below .333—0 points
• Points for tied contests are calculated by taking the points which would have been
awarded with a win, adding the points which would have been awarded with a loss and
dividing by two

i actually mis-calculated mc...they're currently at 8.59 and COULD go to 9.00 with 4 wins...i'll recalculate for ferrum and gc and b'water sometime this week :)

i've got a spreadsheet that i'll email you
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on May 03, 2006, 03:56:50 PM
narch... that would be great. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 03, 2006, 10:13:46 PM
poppa - you've got email

here is what i've found on qowi so far

mc - 8.639 qowi - 22-14 regional record
2-7 vs. teams above .667
12-7 vs. teams .500-.666
4-0 vs. teams .333 - .499
4-0 vs. teams 0-.332
overall opp win % - .614

(updated through 5-5-06)

fc - 8.588 qowi - 28-11-1 regional record
1-0-1 vs. teams above .667
17-7 vs. teams .500-.666
5-3 vs. teams .333-.499
5-1 vs. teams 0-.332
overall opp win % - .547

gc - 8.324 qowi - 21-13 regional record
2-4 vs. teams above .667
11-7 vs. teams .500-.666
3-2 vs. teams .333-.499
5-0 vs. teams 0-.332
overall opp win % - .578

b'water - 9.449 qowi - 29-10-1 regional record
1-3-1 vs. teams above .667
20-5 vs. teams .500-.666
3-1 vs. teams .333-.499
5-1 vs. teams 0-.332
overall opp win % - .554

you can see why i think b'water is a lock, with that qowi - unfortunately for qowi a .501 team is the same as a .666 team, which is a bit flawed and explains (in part) why b'water's opp win % is so much lower than mc's, but the qowi is so much higher - b'water does have two UGLY losses...a home loss to roanoke and a home loss to ehc, but they don't pull that qowi down enough

mc and ferrum are pretty much identical in qowi, so they will look at head-to-head (fc 2-1) and overall regional win % (fc wins), meaning the monarchs have little chance
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2006, 02:51:22 PM
narch/Ralph... how are games at nuetral sites counted in the QOWI?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 04, 2006, 02:52:14 PM
road games for both teams, i think
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on May 04, 2006, 03:15:59 PM
... and what consitutes a good QOWI score?

If neutral site games are truy road games, the system certainly favors the cold-weather schools as they play the first 10-12 games on the road during Spring Break. It hurts the warm-weather schools in the south and west who do not have to travel to pick up games and grab a few extra points in the QOWI.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 05, 2006, 10:08:19 PM
monarchs get the split with salisbury, winning 6-2 and losing 11-7 in extra innings...too bad they didn't split with emory or hold the lead vs. salisbury - going 2-2 in those 4 games would have been big

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/salisbury1.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 06, 2006, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2006, 03:15:59 PM
... and what consitutes a good QOWI score?

poppa - it's all relative to the other pool c contenders
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2006, 09:28:39 AM
Trying to catch up on this board...

Narch is right, neutral site road games for both.

Spring training games for northern schools down south...  they may not be classified as "in-region" games.  Marietta vs McMurry was not an in-regon game.

UW-Stout vs Texas Lutheran wasn't either in 2006.  It seems that it will be in 2007 when the Championships Committee adopts the Geographic Regions  (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.358) as an in-region criterion.

As for what do good QOWI's for Pool C bids look like, here are the QOWI's for Men's Basketball

Pat Coleman's last QOWI run (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.621)

My rough draft of the Pool C bids for Basketball in 2006 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.596) from which I made my guesses of the Selections.  With more than 300 teams playing baseball, the statistical sampling should be fairly consistent across both samples. ;)

(I would love to see the QOWI's for Baseball!) :)

Big Poppa, you are catching on very quickly to this stuff!!!  Better than you hit the outside curve? ;) :D :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 11, 2006, 09:31:18 PM
two big games friday for the monarchs at york...2 shots to impress the committee and beat a regionally ranked opponent on the road - go monarchs

oh, and the softball team won 10-1 in 5 innings in the first round of the regional today and don't play until saturday

women's golf is up by 54 strokes after 3 rounds

men's golf finished a disappointing 3rd in the country

sure would be nice to have softball and baseball continue to play beyond the weekend :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 12, 2006, 04:01:48 PM
the monarchs won game one of the york doubleheader behind a cg shutout from brandt with 7 k's
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 12, 2006, 11:32:16 PM
monarchs lose game 2, 4-1 - looks like the season is over for the boys - we'll have to settle for being the usasac regular season champions

i don't think ferrum makes the regional either...the fact that they haven't been regionally ranked tells me a lot about their relative strength vs. other regional teams
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 16, 2006, 02:27:11 PM
3 usasac baseball players named academic all-district...nice list...check out cornelius' gpa (mc is on the +/- system), even more impressive than his rbi total this year :)


FIRST TEAM
Pos. Name
IF Daniel Ziccardy SHENANDOAH III Jr. Harrisonburg, Va. 4.0 Political science
SECOND TEAM
P Blake Rice N.C. WESLEYAN III Jr. Rocky Mount, N.C. 3.70 Mathematics
P Christopher Mock GREENSBORO III So. Clarks Summit, Pa. 4.0 Biology
IF Steve Cornelius METHODIST III Jr. Clarksville, Md. 4.09 Business administration

congrats, guys!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 17, 2006, 09:51:33 PM
ncwc beats emory 7-3 today - rice with a cg - good win for the bishops
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: JAF on May 22, 2006, 09:32:46 AM
Congrats NCWC Bishops on your regional championship. You did a great job of representing the USA South. Keep it going in the World Series.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hasanova on May 22, 2006, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: JAF on May 22, 2006, 09:32:46 AM
Congrats NCWC Bishops on your regional championship. You did a great job of representing the USA South. Keep it going in the World Series.
Ditto!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 22, 2006, 01:30:34 PM
nice regional win for the bishops...great to see that the 2nd best team in the usasac can win the regional :)

they got great pitching from rice this and co. this weekend, and that will make them a difficult out at the next level, as well...that staff is deep, talented and pretty young to boot - congrats!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 23, 2006, 03:18:56 PM
there is a pretty cool photo slide show of the south regional from the rocky mount telegram...check it out here (http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/sports/content/sports/slideshows/wesleyanbball/)
Title: Any thoughts on USA South?
Post by: hokieone on December 14, 2006, 05:26:42 PM
Anyone have thoughts/predictions/comments on USA South Baseball 2007? 
  I'm a newbie on here and this is my main area of interest.
Title: Re: Any thoughts on USA South?
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:14:46 PM
Hokieone, welcome aboard!

I will move this board over to the USA South board.

Narch does a very good job over there with keeping us informed.

Olinemom (a Bridgewater English Professor and brownie baker), CNU85 and hasanova are other veterans of the board.

We appreciate any game reports, hyperlinks, in-game updates, etc.

Title: Re: Any thoughts on USA South?
Post by: BigPoppa on December 14, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:14:46 PM
Hokieone, welcome aboard!

I will move this board over to the USA South board.

Narch does a very good job over there with keeping us informed.

Olinemom (a Bridgewater English Professor and brownie baker), CNU85 and hasanova are other veterans of the board.

We appreciate any game reports, hyperlinks, in-game updates, etc.



Another bit of advice is to never mess with Ralph. He is the ruler of this land, not just this region.
Title: Re: Any thoughts on USA South?
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2006, 01:18:29 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on December 14, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:14:46 PM
Hokieone, welcome aboard!

I will move this board over to the USA South board.

Narch does a very good job over there with keeping us informed.

Olinemom (a Bridgewater English Professor and brownie baker), CNU85 and hasanova are other veterans of the board.

We appreciate any game reports, hyperlinks, in-game updates, etc.



Another bit of advice is to never mess with Ralph. He is the ruler of this land, not just this region.

:D :D :D

Just trying the keep the boards focused!  Narch did a great job last year, moving the USASouth board!

It is good to "read" you again. :)

McMurry has Chapman in Abilene in February for 3 and Marietta comes in March, again.

Have you seen any other good schedules?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on December 15, 2006, 11:55:04 AM
Chapman is loaded again. Many of my former club team players are now playing at Chapman. The games at McMurry should be a great matchup. How does McMurry look this year, Ralph?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2006, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on December 15, 2006, 11:55:04 AM
Chapman is loaded again. Many of my former club team players are now playing at Chapman. The games at McMurry should be a great matchup. How does McMurry look this year, Ralph?

McMurry only has to replace (1) the Catcher,  (2) the RF/#2 Pitcher (who actually became the ace when the #1 failed.  He also led the NCAA D3 in doubles last season.),  (3) the 2B, and (4) the SS/ ace reliever.

Coach Driggers always finds talent! ;)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 12:35:23 PM
Just trying to give a plug to ASC baseball, which seems to always produce some top notch teams in the nation -
Mississippi College has a pretty strong schedule for the upcoming year. 
UT-Dallas will play in the McM tournament this year
TLU will be playing a strong schedule as well.....
What is the likely hood of getting two teams into the tournament this year?  Do many conferences get two teams in?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on December 20, 2006, 02:04:18 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 12:35:23 PM

What is the likely hood of getting two teams into the tournament this year?  Do many conferences get two teams in?

The stronger conferences traditionally get two teams in the NCAAs... sometimes even three as in the case of the NJAC. It depends on the situation and the strength of the other teams in the region... also if a natioanl power gets upset in a conference tourney by a team that would not normally earn a bid, often the national power will be included as well, giving that conference a second team in addition the upset automatic berth.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 02:33:27 PM
Hasn't the ASC had some top rate teams in the past, McMurry, UT-Dallas, Texas Lutheran and Mississippi College?  I know they've matched up well with other teams in region, I just don't understand why we only get our conference winner in the tourney. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on December 20, 2006, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 02:33:27 PM
Hasn't the ASC had some top rate teams in the past, McMurry, UT-Dallas, Texas Lutheran and Mississippi College?  I know they've matched up well with other teams in region, I just don't understand why we only get our conference winner in the tourney. 

I know it is cliche, but their is certainly an East Coast bias in the selcetions process. I have always thought it odd that the South and West get shafted in the at-large bid process. I am sure it has to do with the greater numbers of D3 schools in the East/Midwest and fewer in the South/West.

Hopefully, this site can open the eyes of the committee to include some deserving teams that are not seen by other regions.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 04:06:25 PM
Ha-well I appreciate your honesty  :) .  From my understanding, there is supposedly a D3 Baseball site going up here in the near future.  Hopefully that would help.  I really think we have some quality baseball down here who could do well in the tourney - see TLU and McMurry the last few years. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2006, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 12:35:23 PM
Just trying to give a plug to ASC baseball, which seems to always produce some top notch teams in the nation -
Mississippi College has a pretty strong schedule for the upcoming year. 
UT-Dallas will play in the McM tournament this year
TLU will be playing a strong schedule as well.....
What is the likely hood of getting two teams into the tournament this year?  Do many conferences get two teams in?
Bearkat, the Baseball Handbook will tell us how many Pool C bids ("at-large") are available when it is released.  We will keep you informed of its arrival.   
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on December 25, 2006, 11:13:07 PM
on the scheduling note, here is the monarchs (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007schedule.htm)...highlights include early games against lagrange and emory, as well as the usual odac matchups (vwc, lynchburg, hsc, guilford...ehc has been added) as well as rhodes, piedmont, huntingdon, tufts, york and salisbury...looks like a pretty solid ooc schedule - note that the usasac has scrapped the 3 game weekends allowing more ooc games - let's see if all my moaning the last few years had any merit :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 25, 2006, 11:37:03 PM
Narch, what is the thinking in the USAC concerning the early date for the Conference tourney?  That is five weeks before the Regionals!
The ASC finals are 3 weeks later!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on December 26, 2006, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 25, 2006, 11:37:03 PM
Narch, what is the thinking in the USAC concerning the early date for the Conference tourney?  That is five weeks before the Regionals!
The ASC finals are 3 weeks later!

USAC alwyas has their conference championship early.  The tourney winner is always the first to punch their ticket to the playoffs.  I did not look at the schedule but expect the conference tournament to be last weeknd in April.  The earlies conferenc tourney is the UAA.  They pay in March down in Florida.  I've see some of those games when  lived just south of the Cocoa Expo.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on December 27, 2006, 03:27:46 PM
ralph - not sure if this is the thinking, but it's a side benefit...

note how the mu schedule is back-loaded with regional games vs. solid regional competetion...if the monarchs were to stumble in the conference tourney, they still have a number of strong regional games for the committee to evaluate
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on December 27, 2006, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: narch on December 27, 2006, 03:27:46 PM
ralph - not sure if this is the thinking, but it's a side benefit...

note how the mu schedule is back-loaded with regional games vs. solid regional competetion...if the monarchs were to stumble in the conference tourney, they still have a number of strong regional games for the committee to evaluate

Most will say the more you play, the better you get.  it is just unusual that the conference tournament is not at the end of the season for the USAC schools when everyone has a chnace to get their team moving in the right direction.

I would think that few schools are looking for games at the end of their season since this is where conference games are played.  But I can see a team wanting to take a break from their conference schedule to play a team from the USAC, hopefully adding to their chances for a post season berth.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 07, 2007, 10:40:56 AM
How are you doing everyone?  This is my second post.  I found the site last night looking for the pre-season rankings.  You guys do a nice job.

Wesleyan returns 6 out of 8 their position players, losing a 3b and 2b,  they also return a staff that had the conference pitcher of the year in Rice and freshman pitcher of the year Ben Moore.  Ben's numbers from last year are kinda off because he played injured most of the year.  I think he took a laser beam off from of Methodist bat.

I'll be around

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on January 09, 2007, 01:43:56 PM
What are the cpnference predictions this season?

Who is going to have the best pitching/hitting/defense and players?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 09, 2007, 05:02:23 PM
Early conference predictions....

Pitching-overall ncwc, top three starters return that led the usas last season-ferrum returns a strong lefty in curtis taylor
hitting-greensboro or wesleyan, greensboro has a lot of pop in maloney and burgess, ncwc has more contact like hitters-lost three good bats.
fielding-im going to say infield gc and outfield ncwc
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on January 09, 2007, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: NCWC on January 09, 2007, 05:02:23 PM
Early conference predictions....

Pitching-overall ncwc, top three starters return that led the usas last season-ferrum returns a strong lefty in curtis taylor
hitting-greensboro or wesleyan, greensboro has a lot of pop in maloney and burgess, ncwc has more contact like hitters-lost three good bats.
fielding-im going to say infield gc and outfield ncwc

Is NC Wesleyan the team to beat in your opinion?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 10, 2007, 12:07:53 PM
Wesleyan is the team to beat in my opinion, word on the street is a new lefty closer ( transfer) and a possible jc transfer for second.  The third base position is being filled by a junior with real good pop and excellent glove work.  DH position is switching to a guy with more backside pop.  Eventhough, I am completely biased I believe they have the best chance to repeat.  Anything can happen in the conference tourney though.  Ask narch about last year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 14, 2007, 10:58:09 PM
i have to agree with our ncwc fan...the bishops are the team to beat, although the loss of pitcher sean mcintyre could hurt them :)

the monarchs should be improved offensively, especially with the return of billy quinn, and they'll remain very solid defensively...on paper, every position player is returning (there are some positions that are still unsettled, from what i understand, with guys fighting for time with incumbents) - it would be an understatement to say that there are some questions on the hill with the graduation of varnell, brandt, and denning...if the talented arms can become talented pitchers, the monarchs will be in the thick of the conference race
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 15, 2007, 02:30:46 AM
Narch you caught me.  I think they will do alright without me.  They have for the past two years.  I think it will be an interesting season.  Hopefully, we can send two teams into the regional this year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 15, 2007, 02:33:34 AM
P.S.  Narch do you know what happened to dan glies or the catcher jesus ( I think his name was)? Are they playing anywhere?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 15, 2007, 03:11:43 PM
adames played for a season or 2 with an independent league team - i thought he had potential to play at the next level - he had a plus arm and plus, plus speed for a catcher, but ultimately injuries slowed him - not sure what he's doing now - glies was an outstanding hitter, but just didn't have the foot speed to play beyond college
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 15, 2007, 03:13:21 PM
collegiate baseball (http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divIII/currentpolldiviii.htm) released their pre-season poll a few weeks ago and ncwc comes in at #10...the monarchs are in the orv section

mu plays a total of 10 games against teams receiving pre-season votes
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 15, 2007, 06:03:43 PM
I just looked at greensboro colleges schedule.  They open the season off in CA and dont really play anybody out there.  What's the point?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 17, 2007, 02:24:29 PM
     
     

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January 17, 2007
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N.C. Wesleyan Picked As USA South Preseason Baseball Favorite

(FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.) - N.C. Wesleyan College, under the direction of 16th-year Head Coach Charlie Long, was picked to win the USA South Athletic Conference 2007 men's baseball title in the preseason coaches' poll.  The Battling Bishops are coming off a USA South Conference Tournament and South Regional Championship last season. The USA South title was the program's first since the 2000 team won both the regular season and tournament crowns. Also, N.C. Wesleyan advanced to its 12th World Series appearance in 2006, finished the year with a 31-19 overall record and a #8 national ranking. This season, the Battling Bishops were recently ranked tenth in the American Baseball Coaches Association preseason poll.

N.C. Wesleyan received six of seven first-place votes (36 points) as head coaches do not vote for their own teams in the balloting.

Ferrum College finished second in the balloting with 28 points while Greensboro College collected the final first-place vote and 25 points for a third-place finish in the poll. Methodist University, the defending USA South Regular Season Champions, finished fourth in the balloting with 21 points. Christopher Newport University rounded out the top-five as the Captains collected 17 points.

The 2007 campaign gets underway on Friday, Feb. 2 when Greensboro College travels to La Verne, California to play La Verne at 11 a.m. and La Sierra at 3 p.m. The USA South Tournament will be played April 12th - 15th in Burlington, N.C. at the Burlington Athletic Stadium.

2007 USA South Baseball Coaches Poll
Rank Institution (1st place Votes) Pts.
1. N.C. Wesleyan (6) 36
2. Ferrum 28
3. Greensboro (1) 25
4. Methodist 21
5. Christopher Newport 17
6. Shenandoah 14
7. Averett 6

I   
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on January 17, 2007, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: NCWC on January 17, 2007, 02:24:29 PM
     
2007 USA South Baseball Coaches Poll
Rank Institution (1st place Votes) Pts.
1. N.C. Wesleyan (6) 36
2. Ferrum 28
3. Greensboro (1) 25
4. Methodist 21
5. Christopher Newport 17
6. Shenandoah 14
7. Averett 6


Christopher Newport sure has fallen since their World Series appearance a few years ago. I thought for sure they would always be picked in the top half of the conference. Any insiders have any info on them?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: wincinsider on January 17, 2007, 04:30:16 PM
Really anyone in the Top 5 could win regular season and even maybe Top 6, just go to show you how much parity is in the USA South.

Regular season Champion needs to be rewarded with an automatic bid, the Regular season Champ proves they are the best team over the long haul.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: wincinsider on January 17, 2007, 04:32:25 PM
Also, what is the deal with USA-South Conference tourney April 12-15 ?   Good Lord, the needs to be taken a look at, just does not make any sense to me.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on January 17, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
CNU struggled a bit last spring, and seemed to be peaking at tournament time, but fell a bit short. They feel they're stronger this year and will compete for the crown. It should be a pretty well-balanced year in USA South.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 09:19:55 PM
Quote from: wincinsider on January 17, 2007, 04:30:16 PMRegular season Champion needs to be rewarded with an automatic bid, the Regular season Champ proves they are the best team over the long haul.

in many ways i agree, although until the last few years the usasac sent multiple teams to the tourney almost every year anyway

of course, i would agree...the monarchs have won 17 regular season championships and only 2 usasac tournament championships :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on January 18, 2007, 03:11:33 AM
The CAC plays their tournament a week later than the usas they also commence a week later than a majority of the teams in the usas.
The WIAC begins conference tournament on may 11th their exams start up right after their tournament and they commence on may 20th.
Chapman commences on the 19th of May.  Their tourney is the second week of may I believe.

A lot of teams whether it be start of spring semesters or the date of commencement schedule their tournaments based on this.  All the teams in the USAS can start on the same date and there are a ton of schools they can play.  The tournament is fine where it is.  If the team loses out they dont have to stay into the summer. I do believe that many of the baseball teams in the USAS dont have the money to keep the kids at school two weeks after graduation to play the tournament.  The only solution to playing a later tourney would be to make all the teams in the USAS to start their spring semesters later.  Or raise a whole lot of money to keep those kids on campus til after graduation.

CNU is always a good team even when their record might not show it.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on January 18, 2007, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: NCWC on January 18, 2007, 03:11:33 AM

Chapman commences on the 19th of May.  Their tourney is the second week of may I believe.


Chapman is independent and has no tourney.  They usually take a 2-3 week break before the NCAAs as it is tough to find teams to play locally with everyone heading to conference tourneys.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on January 20, 2007, 10:39:40 AM
I just want to say how great it is to play some of the top USA South teams on our Spring trip. Playing at Methodist, Greensboro, and NCWC is one of the highlights of the season. Great programs...great coaches...great facilities.

I think part of the overall success the Jumbos have is due to the great early competitition they get from the NC and VA teams they play in March....
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 23, 2007, 04:38:04 PM
So its bout that time again to start another sport I think the Pride are going to be really strong this season. What about the rest of the USA South?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 23, 2007, 04:38:37 PM
The thing that I will be most concerend with is going to be the pitching staff
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on January 31, 2007, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: Bostonian on January 20, 2007, 10:39:40 AM
I just want to say how great it is to play some of the top USA South teams on our Spring trip. Playing at Methodist, Greensboro, and NCWC is one of the highlights of the season. Great programs...great coaches...great facilities.

I think part of the overall success the Jumbos have is due to the great early competitition they get from the NC and VA teams they play in March....

i always enjoy watching the jumbos play...even when they steal a game from the monarchs :) - a school like tufts is the epitome of what d3 is all about, and i hope the monarchs never stop playing them

plus, they might have the single greatest mascot in college sports with one of the best back-stories
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on February 01, 2007, 10:16:15 AM
Narch,
Methodist is always one of the big games for the trip, so you always get our #1. The past 2 years, it's been my brother, who has really had his A game when he's faced you guys...if your guy hadn't laced one of his shin last year, it might have been his best effort of the year.

Unfortunately, you won't be facing him this year, as he is currently rehabbing from a broken arm...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 02, 2007, 02:35:07 PM
I am going to be quite biased on this being a NCWC baseball alum but I think we are going back to the series this year.  Coach long has put together a tough team.   Barring injuries we should take it this year. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 02, 2007, 06:34:56 PM
Any Ferrum fans out here...
...they've been slow updating the web site.  What's the outlook for the Panthers?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 02, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
Since I do not have editing privileges, yet...
...here is the preseason info on Ferrum.  Just posted today:
http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/Ferrum-BB-CoSIDA-07.pdf
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 02, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
Quote from: Bostonian on February 01, 2007, 10:16:15 AM
Narch,
Methodist is always one of the big games for the trip, so you always get our #1. The past 2 years, it's been my brother, who has really had his A game when he's faced you guys...if your guy hadn't laced one of his shin last year, it might have been his best effort of the year.

Unfortunately, you won't be facing him this year, as he is currently rehabbing from a broken arm...
hope that rehab goest well for your brother

the situation you point out with pitching matchups is one that i lamented quite frequently last year - when the usasac went to 3 game conference weekends it meant that usasac teams were frequently pitching their 4th and 5th starters against other teams 3rd and 4th (and, obviously, sometimes the number 1) - tufts played mu sandwiched between 2 regional games and a 3 game set to open conference play with cnu, and the monarchs countered your #1 (who was cruising, by the way...he looked very good) with a guy who made 2 starts and pitched a total of 10.2 innings with a 7+ era and was making his first collegiate appearance

i'm hoping that going back to 2 game weekends will allow the usasac to be better equipped in this type of matchup
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on February 02, 2007, 11:17:12 PM
I'd say it evens out with us...we never hit much down South as it is our first week outside. So, your fifth guy looks like a 1 or 2.

Thanks for the compliment about Ben looking good against you guys. For some reason, he's just had it for the last 2 years against Methodist. I think he elevates hs game because he knows he's going against top players and taht he won't get much offensive support...pretty sure the scores have been 2-1, 2-0, and 3-1 over Ben's career at Tufts.

I'm sure you'll be happy to see somebody else on the hill this year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 02, 2007, 11:45:29 PM
How about this game GC 36-0 over La Sierra.
Then a 4-3 win over La Verne

2-0 start.  They have Cal Luteran on Sat.  Then Whittier on Sun
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 03, 2007, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: Bostonian on February 02, 2007, 11:17:12 PM
I'd say it evens out with us...we never hit much down South as it is our first week outside. So, your fifth guy looks like a 1 or 2.
good pitching beats good hitting any day, in my book :)

and i'm disappointed we won't get to see your bro, simply because i hate to hear about a guy getting injured in his senior year...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 06, 2007, 09:28:56 AM
Saw CNU play against Guilford weekend.  Moreland looked very strong.  Got him on the gun at 86-88 most of the time but he did pop a 90 and 91 mph pitch. 
I don't think they will have much hitting this year and look to have a average defense.  Pitching will have to carry them year. 
Sunday I will be at the Virginia Wesleyan/Salsibury State game.  Let you all know what I see. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on February 06, 2007, 09:29:13 AM
Narch,
Unfortunately, Ben got the news yesterday that the bone has not fully healed and he will not be able to pitch this year. His career is probably over.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 06, 2007, 01:18:17 PM
Quote from: Bostonian on February 06, 2007, 09:29:13 AM
Narch,
Unfortunately, Ben got the news yesterday that the bone has not fully healed and he will not be able to pitch this year. His career is probably over.

tell him to keep his head up...even his abbreviated baseball career was something that 99% of the population will never attain, and he got a great education, to boot
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 06, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
Greensboro is 3-2 and Averett is 4-0.  I think Averett will post a good record til about the first conference weekend.

Does anyone have any information on the team that GC scheduled and beat by 36?

Gonna try to catch all the games this weekend at Bauer Field, hopefully it wont be covered in snow.  I have a feeling though that the tarp will be on thursday night.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 07, 2007, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 06, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
Greensboro is 3-2 and Averett is 4-0.  I think Averett will post a good record til about the first conference weekend.

Does anyone have any information on the team that GC scheduled and beat by 36?

Gonna try to catch all the games this weekend at Bauer Field, hopefully it wont be covered in snow.  I have a feeling though that the tarp will be on thursday night.

I will be at the Saturday Greensboro College game.  Did you play at NCWC.  I played on the 98 and 99 teams after transferring from a junior college. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 08, 2007, 12:11:56 AM
Catfish I played from 2002-2006 med. redshirt in 2004
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 08, 2007, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 08, 2007, 12:11:56 AM
Catfish I played from 2002-2006 med. redshirt in 2004

Well maybe I will see at the game on the 24th versus Greensboro.  I will be their scouting the for the Braves.  Hope to see you there.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Tom Brady on February 08, 2007, 03:31:02 PM
NCWC-  The school Greensboro beat 36-0 just barely lost their second game yesterday, losing it in the late innings 32-6.  How in the world can a team give up 68 runs in 2 games????  What a waste of time to fly all the way out to CA to play a team like that.  I caught one of the GC/Cal Lu games and it was a good one.  Sounds like a few other good games.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 09, 2007, 07:05:28 AM
Who are the players to watch for Greensboro.  My son's team is playing their opening series against the Pride this weekend.  Thanks.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 09, 2007, 09:51:10 AM


Greensboro players to watch 1.) Maloney 2.) Burgess

They are both serious power threats.  But word is out on what they can and can't handle.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 09, 2007, 09:56:02 AM
Catfish I think I have seen you up at the Virginia Wesleyan and CNU games the past couple of years.  I think the last time was Matt Smith's freshman year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 10, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
the monarchs get a nice regional win, 4-1 over lagrange at home today - junior chase cates scattered 10 hits and allowed 1 run and got a complete game in his first collegiate start...really nice game for cates against a good hitting team - freshman 3b seth kivett was 2-4 with 2 runs, 2 rbi and a triple in his first college game

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Statistics/mub0210.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 10, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
You were right on Maloney and Burgess.  Maloney is a BEAST of a man.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 11, 2007, 10:33:48 PM
monarchs pick up win #2 with a late-inning rally to down lagrange 6-4
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 11, 2007, 11:20:54 PM
Bishops start season 5-0 with two game sweep of frostburg state and three from eastern mennonite.  Pitching was the key. Pearson, Rice, and Robertson did not allow a run and scattered four hits through 18 innings.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/index.htm
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 11, 2007, 11:39:16 PM
Forgot to add this in the last message.

1.) Blake Rice 2nd no-no in as many years, 24th complete game
2.) Chris Pecora 6-6 sb's, 6 rbi's.
3.) Nate West (ss) is one assist away from breaking the schools record (career).
4.) Head Coach Charlie Long is now officialy 40.
5.) New arms look good and will fill the spots of parts of the bullpen who graduated.
6.) When you face a closer make sure to stay in the box.http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/index.htm

Title: Impressions of GC Pride
Post by: A.G. on February 12, 2007, 07:16:16 AM
Great hitting team.  Tons of arms.  They kept filing in LHP from the bullpen. 

The one issue they had in the LC series is defense. 

Great parents, too.  Ran a nice concession stand and were quite friendly.  Really enjoyed the weekend at the old ball park.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 12, 2007, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: Hornets19 on February 09, 2007, 07:05:28 AM
Who are the players to watch for Greensboro.  My son's team is playing their opening series against the Pride this weekend.  Thanks.

they have two fringe guys on the team
Jess Maloney
Pat Burgess
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 12, 2007, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 09, 2007, 09:56:02 AM
Catfish I think I have seen you up at the Virginia Wesleyan and CNU games the past couple of years.  I think the last time was Matt Smith's freshman year.

Yeah I made it to the VA Wesleyan game last year also.  I will be looking at Chris Pecora and Blake Rice on the 25th and the two guys at Greensboro.   Stop on by and say hello I will be behind the backstop most of the time during the game. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 12, 2007, 05:21:46 PM



WEEKLY SPOTLIGHT:  Baseball's Blake Rice... the epitome of the student-athlete

Rocky Mount, NC - In 2006, baseball pitcher Blake Rice (pictured)accomplished just about everything imaginable.  He was achieved All-American status after posting a 10-3 overall record that included a program-record 12 complete games.  He was named the NCAA South Regional's Co-Most Valuable Player and led his Bishops to their twelfth appearance in the Division III College World Series.  He led the USA South in wins and innings pitched en route to Conference Pitcher of the Year honors.  He finished the season with 2.68 earned run average in 111.0 innings pitched, which including a complete-game no-hitter against Piedmont on February 19th. 

So what could Rice, now a senior, possibly do in 2007 to meet the expectations set by last year's performance?  He began on Sunday by throwing the second no-hitter of his career, a dominating seven-inning complete game performance that saw him face just two batters past the minimum and strike out seven in a 2-0 win over Frostburg State.  His 7th-ranked Bishops, in fact, finished the weekend with a 5-0 record to start the season.

What many people fail to realize, however, is the type of person Rice is off the field.  His academic accomplishments rival those of the most elite students.  A mathematics major, he has been named NCWC's Male Student-Athlete of the Year for the past two seasons and has posted two 4.0 semesters during his collegiate career.  He has been named to the Academic All-District baseball team, as well as the President's List and the Academic All-Conference team on numerous occasions.  Perhaps most impressively, he became the first Bishop male athlete in history to win the USA South's prestigious Don Scalf Award last season, which he accepted this past fall at Wesleyan's football home opener.

It doesn't end here, though.  As a member of Coach Charlie Long's squad, Rice completes at least eight hours of community service each year and has volunteered as a tutor on campus.  His community service includes such projects as raising money for the Rocky Mount area's Relay For Life campaign, helping coordinate a Little League Clinic, and participating in a reading program at Benvenue Elementary.

To many, these accomplishments may somehow make Sunday's no-hitter seem less impressive.  But did you know that there have been only four no-hitters in the storied history of a Battling Bishop baseball program that has two National Championships to its credit?  Four no-hitters... and two now belong to Rice.  What will he do next to further separate himself as the one of the greatest student-athletes to put on a Wesleyan uniform?

I'm sure he'll think of something.



http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/news/2006-07/spotlights/20rice.htm
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 13, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
great piece on rice...he's a stud - too bad he didn't graduate early with all those academic accolades :)

gcgullett or psbbg - how is g'boro getting the number of transfers they are getting - i count 13 transfers on their baseball roster, with 2 d1's, 2 d2's and the rest being juco guys - when you couple this with what gc is doing in other sports re: transfer students, it makes me start to wonder what's up
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 13, 2007, 04:44:54 PM
Quote from: narch on February 13, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
great piece on rice...he's a stud - too bad he didn't graduate early with all those academic accolades :)

gcgullett or psbbg - how is g'boro getting the number of transfers they are getting - i count 13 transfers on their baseball roster, with 2 d1's, 2 d2's and the rest being juco guys - when you couple this with what gc is doing in other sports re: transfer students, it makes me start to wonder what's up

That is real high number of transfers for a D3 team.  I came in as a JUCO transfer at Wesleyan in 98, I was one of four and Coach Fox said that was the highest number of JUCO transfers he had at one time in his 15 years at Wesleyan and that was only 4.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 13, 2007, 06:01:51 PM
Wesleyan dropped the first one of the season today.  SO. Jon Shearon struggled against the Mount Olive bats and the offense was hitting the ball hard but right at people.  Wesleyan has a trip to the deep south to round out this week.

Congratulations to Nate West for breaking the assists record on a club that has many records set by their legends in the 89 and 99 seasons.

In response to narch's comment about transfers from juco's, Charlie may get one a season.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 13, 2007, 08:43:09 PM
the monarchs have 2 or 3 total transfers on their roster
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 02:51:23 AM
Quote from: NCWC on January 07, 2007, 10:40:56 AM
How are you doing everyone?  This is my second post.  I found the site last night looking for the pre-season rankings. 

Bet you'll like us even better now. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 14, 2007, 08:38:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 02:51:23 AM
Bet you'll like us even better now. :)

pat - have i ever told you how much i love you :)

seriously, thanks for www.d3baseball.com...amazing
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 14, 2007, 02:52:09 PM
Narch,

Since the "M's" are the only team playing today in the USAS, due to weather I take it, keep us informed on how the "M" team looked today.  CNU and GC aren't playing today.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 14, 2007, 08:22:07 PM
the monarchs pick up 2 wins today vs. sova, 5-2 and 3-1...johnny wholestaff pitched both games of the double header today - hunt went 4-6

game summaries/box scores (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/southernva0214.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 15, 2007, 12:28:55 AM
Here are some more early season nonsense numbers:

USAS- (23-5) combined
ODAC- (5-11) combined
GSAC- (0-10) combined
SCAC- (16-5-1) combined
CAC- (0-2)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 01:28:25 AM
Narch-

I couldn't tell you but the trasfers doesn't mean they actually played baseball where they are from.  It doesn't really mean anything.  All it means to me is they had two years or one year and they transfered in.  How many of them are everyday players for Greensboro? How many are on the JV Team here?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on February 15, 2007, 07:13:19 AM
     USA South so far has ridiculous numbers as a conference. Total win-loss is 23-5, the LOWEST team batting average is .288 and 5 teams are over .300, the HIGHEST team ERA is a very respectable 3.72, and Christopher Newport University has a just silly team ERA of 0.39 through 3 games.  Most games played so far have not been against schools from the frozen tundra, and it hasn't been exactly toasty anyway.

       Lots of games this weekend, so we'll see how another round of games affects the numbers.

   
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 15, 2007, 02:27:02 PM
About those GC transfers.  Maloney and Burgess in the same year.  From what I've heard Shenadoah is also getting good numbers in the transfer department.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 15, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
Some good South Region action through the middle of next week.

NCWC-La Grange (2/16)
Ferrum-La Grange (2/17) DH
CNU-Rowan (2/17)  Kulik vs. Moreland?
Methodist-Emory (2/17) & (2/18) always a tight one
CNU-Bridgewater (2/17)
CNU-Salisbury (2/20)
VWC-NCWC (2/20) usually tight games when played at Bauer Field
Lynchburg-NCWC (2/21)
Bridgewater-Greensboro (2/21)


Conference action 2/24
Methodist @ Ferrum
Greensboro @ NCWC
CNU @ Averett
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 15, 2007, 06:56:58 PM
Bishops win another against La Grange 6-3.  Closer Justin Batts picked up his third save in 4 app..
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 15, 2007, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 01:28:25 AM
Narch-

I couldn't tell you but the trasfers doesn't mean they actually played baseball where they are from.  It doesn't really mean anything.  All it means to me is they had two years or one year and they transfered in.  How many of them are everyday players for Greensboro? How many are on the JV Team here?

psbbg - i'll have to research some of your questions, but the monarchs have a total of 2 transfers on their varsity and jv teams....

i will tell you this, i doubt there are many who are transferring in from a juco or d2 or d1 and playing at gc if they didn't play at their previous school
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 16, 2007, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 15, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
Some good South Region action through the middle of next week.


CNU-Rowan (2/17)  Kulik vs. Moreland?


Coach Harvill told me last night that Moreland is pitching against Bridgewater since it is a regional game. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 16, 2007, 10:32:22 AM
I have done some research on the Greensboro Transfers.
They have a total of 15 transfers.   10 Juco guys and 5 from 4year schools.
10 of them are position players and five pitchers.

7 of them are regular starters in the field it looks like.
For the pitchers it looks like one of them is a starter.  The others are relievers.
That is a lot of contributors that were transfers. 
Is it just me or is that a  insane amount of transfers for a D3 squad.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 16, 2007, 01:06:13 PM
Are there any outstanding academic programs at GC?  What does tuition run?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 16, 2007, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 16, 2007, 10:32:22 AMIs it just me or is that a  insane amount of transfers for a D3 squad.
catfish....thanks for the research...that's insane number for a d1 or d2 school, let alone a d3

i'll add this - they brought in 4 juco transfers in basketball, and i think at least 3 start (maybe all 4 do...i'm sure the gc guys can straighten that out) - they had a basketball player last year who had completed 3 1/2 years at a d2...a one semster transfer?  they also have a number of transfers in most of their other sports - maybe gc is a very transfer friendly place...or maybe there is something going on :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 16, 2007, 02:59:45 PM
Wesleyan has four transfers on the baseball team.  One from TN, 3 from NC.  I think three of them did the recruiting for themselves.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 16, 2007, 06:20:15 PM
Bishops pick up another win today in a close one. NCWC 3 vs LaGrange 2.

Sr. 1B Mark Wooten had the stick today for NCWC, two doubles.
Sr. RHP Blake Rice picked up the win with a complete game, 5 hit, 8 k performance.

Blake is on a good pace right now (2-0) 1.13 ERA, 15k's, 2 CG, 16 IP, 5 H.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 17, 2007, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 16, 2007, 06:20:15 PMBlake is on a good pace right now (2-0) 1.13 ERA, 15k's, 2 CG, 16 IP, 5 H.
could be better, i mean, his latest game showed a dramatic decline in performance...can't the kid dial up a no-no every time he goes out there  ;D
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
Your right narch I think his decline in performance will just make him another average pitcher.  He will probably just finish the season at a 11-1 mark, 2.75 ERA, 11 CG, 75k's, might not even earn him USAS pitcher of the year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2007, 04:10:39 PM
so far today Rowan beat CNU, Emory beat Meth., still more action to come
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2007, 05:00:16 PM
Bishops dropped one today in the 9th
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2007, 06:44:06 PM
USAS wrap up for today

Methodist dropped one to Emory
NCWC dropped one to Piedmont
Greensboro took two from frostburg
Ferrum dropped two to La Grange
Averett took two from Rutgers-Newark
CNU lost one to Rowan and took one from Bridgewater

Averett 9-1
CNU- 6-1
Meth-4-1
NCWC-7-2
GC-7-4
Ferrum-0-2
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 17, 2007, 07:56:55 PM
#19 emory nips the monarchs 3-2 @ emory - the monarch bats haven't woke up yet, but the pitching is holding up well right now

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/eu01.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2007, 08:47:11 PM
Narch I dont think any of our bats have woken up yet either, all the nice stats or bad stats they are piling up now seem to make a change right around the time the conference games start up.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Uncle Jessie on February 18, 2007, 12:52:06 PM
Hey everyone. I have set up a Yahoo fantasy baseball league.  Its devoted to Virginia college baseball. So anyone in here that is from a VA school feel free to join. All I ask is that you name your team after your VA school that you are from. Here are the Yahoo info you would need to join.

League ID#: 12845

League Name: Virginia is for baseball fans!

Password: baseball
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 05:04:34 PM
monarchs drop another 3-2 decision @ emory today...tough weekend for the sticks, but nice weekend for the pitchers

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/eu02.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 19, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
Any thoughts on Averett going 11-1 so far this season?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 19, 2007, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 19, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
Any thoughts on Averett going 11-1 so far this season?

Not the toughest schedule but a decent start against teams they need to beat to get to the playoffs.  Next week with 2 with CNU and 1 at VA Wesleyan will give you an indication how they might fare all season.  They are probably the first 10 win team in D3baseball.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 19, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
LC ventures down on Weds to play NCWC.  Who are the guys to pay attention on for the Bishops?  Ya'll were right on for the two to watch at G'boro.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 19, 2007, 05:35:55 PM
People to watch out for: Pecora, Smith, Williford, Wooten.  You guys should see a young pitcher but i'm not to sure about that.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 19, 2007, 05:44:18 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on February 19, 2007, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 19, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
Any thoughts on Averett going 11-1 so far this season?

Not the toughest schedule but a decent start against teams they need to beat to get to the playoffs.  Next week with 2 with CNU and 1 at VA Wesleyan will give you an indication how they might fare all season.  They are probably the first 10 win team in D3baseball.

They know their schedule isn't that tough either.  It is suprising though, they won 13 games last year and lost 27.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 19, 2007, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 19, 2007, 05:35:55 PM
People to watch out for: Pecora, Smith, Williford, Wooten.  You guys should see a young pitcher but i'm not to sure about that.
Thanks. From a dad and fan's perspective, a couple of players to watch for LC are LaBrie (SS); Crews (1B), and Grant (CF).  Grant is a local kid that was drafted in 44th round by the Cardinals last year out of high school.  Our whole team is young, with 4 freshmen starting (3B, LF, CF, DH).  I have no idea who they'll be throwing, either.  We don't have a conference weekend coming up, but have 3 games vs a pretty legit squad.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on February 19, 2007, 04:40:26 PMYa'll were right on for the two to watch at G'boro.
no disrespect meant to ncwc and catfish, but those 2 (maloney & burgess) are pretty easy to pick out :)

in the usasac they finished 1/2 in slugging %, 1/3 in tb's, 1/2 in hr's and 1/3 in rbi's - they're pretty much the biggest, scariest offensive duo in the conference...maybe in the south region, maybe in the country
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 20, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on February 19, 2007, 04:40:26 PMYa'll were right on for the two to watch at G'boro.
no disrespect meant to ncwc and catfish, but those 2 (maloney & burgess) are pretty easy to pick out :)

in the usasac they finished 1/2 in slugging %, 1/3 in tb's, 1/2 in hr's and 1/3 in rbi's - they're pretty much the biggest, scariest offensive duo in the conference...maybe in the south region, maybe in the country

the answer I gave him was who I was going to be scouting when I made my trip to see Greensboro vs. NCWC.  They have no other guys on the team that I have seen that would be pro prospects.  Unless one of the transfers turns out to be a pro prospect. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 20, 2007, 11:22:09 AM
Battle of the Wesleyans today.  This used to be my favorite game besides the Methodist games. Go Bishops. 
Looks like VA Wesleyan will be throwing a combo of thier top two guys  Chris Riveria and David Whigham.  While it looks like we will be throwing our #4 or #5 guy since we have our conference weekend coming up.  Can't remember who Coach Long said he was going to throw.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: JAF on February 20, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
Are Kenny Morelands numbers crazy or what?

Through 3 starts and 20 innings:

3 wins
26 K's
1 walk  
opp BA .173
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on February 20, 2007, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: JAF on February 20, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
Are Kenny Morelands numbers crazy or what?

Through 3 starts and 20 innings:

3 wins
26 K's
1 walk  
opp BA .173

Anytime you can make hitters earn their way on base they will usally get themselves out. Great job on only ONE walk so far.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 20, 2007, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 20, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
the answer I gave him was who I was going to be scouting when I made my trip to see Greensboro vs. NCWC.  They have no other guys on the team that I have seen that would be pro prospects.  Unless one of the transfers turns out to be a pro prospect. 

Catfish--will you be at the LC-NCWC game on Weds?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 20, 2007, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 20, 2007, 09:15:28 AMthe answer I gave him was who I was going to be scouting when I made my trip to see Greensboro vs. NCWC.  They have no other guys on the team that I have seen that would be pro prospects.  Unless one of the transfers turns out to be a pro prospect. 
catfish - i understood - my point was that it doesn't take a professional scout to know that burgess and maloney are the guys to watch for gc...one is 6'4/200 and the other is 6'8/265...it'd be hard NOT to notice them - by the way, i like burgess better...

how long have you been in the scouting business?

i really thought jesus adames (mu catcher from a few years ago) had a legit shot at playing professionally for a few years...he had a plus arm, ++ speed for a catcher, was a very solid receiver and had a nice line-drive stroke that i thought might translate to a little more power as he matured...just goes to show you how difficult it is to play beyond college
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 20, 2007, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: JAF on February 20, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
Are Kenny Morelands numbers crazy or what?

Through 3 starts and 20 innings:

3 wins
26 K's
1 walk  
opp BA .173
he's a stud...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 21, 2007, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: Hornets19 on February 20, 2007, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 20, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
the answer I gave him was who I was going to be scouting when I made my trip to see Greensboro vs. NCWC.  They have no other guys on the team that I have seen that would be pro prospects.  Unless one of the transfers turns out to be a pro prospect. 

Catfish--will you be at the LC-NCWC game on Weds?

I will be going to the Old Dominion/Norfolk State today.  I will probably be at the Va Wesleyan and Lynchburg game on April 14th. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 21, 2007, 09:42:42 AM
Quote from: narch on February 20, 2007, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 20, 2007, 09:15:28 AMthe answer I gave him was who I was going to be scouting when I made my trip to see Greensboro vs. NCWC.  They have no other guys on the team that I have seen that would be pro prospects.  Unless one of the transfers turns out to be a pro prospect. 
catfish - i understood - my point was that it doesn't take a professional scout to know that burgess and maloney are the guys to watch for gc...one is 6'4/200 and the other is 6'8/265...it'd be hard NOT to notice them - by the way, i like burgess better...

how long have you been in the scouting business?

i really thought jesus adames (mu catcher from a few years ago) had a legit shot at playing professionally for a few years...he had a plus arm, ++ speed for a catcher, was a very solid receiver and had a nice line-drive stroke that i thought might translate to a little more power as he matured...just goes to show you how difficult it is to play beyond college

This is my forth season scouting.  I have been with the Braves all four of them. 
Jesus adams was the year before I started scouting.  But I did see him play in 2002 and thought he has a good catcher.  Just based on what I saw that year he would not of graded on anything better than a 40  which is average.   I learned very quickly that what I thought was plus in the Dixie Conference quickly turns into average on the scouting scale. 
I like Burgess better myself.  I think he is more complete player.  With maloney he does not have the bat quickness and enough power to play 1st base at the next level. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 21, 2007, 09:58:59 AM
My son was much more impressed with Burgess, too.  He can flat out rake.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 21, 2007, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 21, 2007, 09:42:42 AMThis is my forth season scouting.  I have been with the Braves all four of them.

other than the fact that your with the braves, you've gotta love that job...watching baseball for a living - i'm sure it's high pressure, but still, what a blast

who was your highest drafted recommendation and where was he drafted?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 21, 2007, 03:10:55 PM
Catfish-Is burgessesseses glove holding him back any?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 21, 2007, 06:16:07 PM
Smith leads Wesleyan baseball to 9-3 win over Lynchburg

Rocky Mount, NC - Junior Matt Smith (pictured) was 3-for-4 with three RBIs and three runs scored on Wednesday, leading his North Carolina Wesleyan baseball squad to a 9-3 victory over Lynchburg College at Bauer Field.  The Bishops, who got a solid pitching performance from starter Jonathan Lucas, improve to 8-3 on the season with the win.  The Hornets are now 4-2 overall.

Luke Williford and Smith each delivered bunt singles in the first.  Williford scored the game's first run on a Mark Wooten base knock to right, and Smith eventually came around on a Justin Batts RBI-single.

The Bishops added to their 2-0 lead in the second when Smith connected a two-out three-run triple to left field.  Wesleyan went on to increase its lead to 9-0 with a four-spot in the fifth.  The highlight of the inning came with Wooten's first homerun of the season, a towering two-run blast to left center.

It would prove to be more than enough for Lucas, who earned his second win of the season.  The sophomore right-hander tossed six scoreless innings, scattered four hits, struck out five, and walked one.

Lynchburg did manage to break through with three runs off of Bishop reliever Doug Roenker in the seventh.  A lead-off single by Jon Sewell and a walk to second basemen Kyle Bradley set the stage for a bases-clearing triple by Jeff Taylor.  Taylor later scored on a Cameron Grant double to right.  The Hornets, however, would get no closer than 9-3.

Jon Nichols took the loss for Lynchburg after allowing nine runs (eight earned) in 4.2 innings of work.  Nichols also allowed all 13 Bishop hits, as Evan Durrer and Connor Thompson tossed a perfect final 3.1 innings for the Hornets.

Heath Bridgers closed out the final two frames for the Bishops, allowing just one hit.

Wesleyan's Nathan West was also 3-for-4 at the plate with an RBI and run scored.  Wooten finished 2-for-4 with three RBIs on the day.

For Lynchburg, Crews and Sewell each collected two hits.

The Bishops open up USA South play this weekend when they host a two-game set with Greensboro College on Saturday and Sunday.  Saturday's first pitch is slated for 1:00 p.m. at Bauer Field
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 21, 2007, 07:33:45 PM
nice win today for GC over bridgewater 16-10
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 21, 2007, 08:33:53 PM
looks like the ncwc bats woke up today...should be a great weekend of usasac action!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 21, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
NCWC is very solid...
...and their bats definitely woke up today...in spades.  I like their style of play.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 21, 2007, 09:41:13 PM
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2007, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 21, 2007, 09:42:42 AMThis is my forth season scouting.  I have been with the Braves all four of them.

other than the fact that your with the braves, you've gotta love that job...watching baseball for a living - i'm sure it's high pressure, but still, what a blast

who was your highest drafted recommendation and where was he drafted?
I am a Associate Scout for the Braves.  I have been offered Full-time Supervisory positions before but I would have to take a 50% pay cut in my current salary.  Plus you are on the road between January and June 99% of the time.  My scout boss slept in his own bed 5 times between that time.  I thought at once I wanted to be a fulltime scout but now you could not pay me enough to become one.  To much travel, to much work and to little pay.   
I have scouted a lot players in my area that have been drafted (taken by other teams) but the braves have only taken a couple of them.   2004 a kid in the 37 and 2005 a kid in the 46 round that I discovered last year I got shutout.  Other teams have taken players I have recommended to the braves and we were going to draft but they were taken by other teams before we had them slotted.   The highest one of those I have discovered would be Dexter Carter who was drafted in the 12th round and Matt Olsen in the 13th, both out of HS.  This year I have a potential 1st rounder in Neil Ramirez and he is slotted around where he draft in the 1st round.   
Being a associate my job is to find kids that are not the top prospects, those guys get seen by tons of scouts.  That is why i go to a lot of Division 3 games, games in the MEAC conference, JUCO games and High School games.  I get paid on guys that are under my name first in the braves systems that is why I go to a lot of lower profile college games and try to catch them early in the High School game before they hit the showcase scene and the MLB scouting bureau gets wind of them.     
I see a lot of games on the weekends and night games and I work in sales so I am able to take off if I need to see a game.   Like today I took off early to watch the Old Dominion and Norfolk State.  I have been watching the 1st basemen of NSU and trying to get a look at the freshman for ODU so I can get them under my name.   
Plus I get into all the games for free so that is bonus.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 21, 2007, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 21, 2007, 03:10:55 PM
Catfish-Is burgessesseses glove holding him back any?

I will let you know when I see him again this Saturday.  THe game I saw him at CNU last year he had two easy balls hit to him. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 22, 2007, 09:48:47 AM
My perceptions, from being around college ball for 19 years, is that his glove is a liability...
...made his 6th error yesterday.  But, as the old saying goes...
...if you can hit they will find a place for you.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 22, 2007, 02:04:51 PM
catfish - thanks for the little peek into the world of scouting - good luck and enjoy all the baseball!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Uncle Jessie on February 22, 2007, 06:46:48 PM
I have a Yahoo baseball league devoted to Virginia fans. All I ask is that you name your team after your VA college or VA city that you live in.  Email me if you would like to join.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 23, 2007, 12:04:19 AM
a day and a half til the action starts to really heat up for the USAS
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 23, 2007, 12:21:06 AM
The USA South AC is changing the conference format from a 3-game series to 2-game series. The conference members must think that they are beating themselves out of an at-large bid. Whether this gets another USASAC team a Pool C bid will be determined, but only if the top conference members can replace those extra 6 games in the schedule with winnable in-region games.

I dont think the USAS AC thinks they are beating themselves up. I think that he believes that the teams from other conf. are using there #1's against our 4 and 5's.  It sounds like whoever wrote this gives no love to the USAS.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 23, 2007, 04:34:44 PM
Averett vs CNU....
  First test of the season for the Cougars. Will CNU take two, Averett take two, or a split?  I dont think Averett has seen anyone like Moreland this year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on February 23, 2007, 05:09:13 PM
A team everyone on here seems to be overlooking is Ferrum...
...and that is a mistake.  They may be young, but two of their freshman will make immediate impact.  D-I transfer Lincoln Garner has an electric arm, and 1B/LHP/DH Justin Franklin can mash the ball.  Plus, you know Naff always has his guys ready to play sound, fundemental baseball.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 23, 2007, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on February 23, 2007, 05:09:13 PM
A team everyone on here seems to be overlooking is Ferrum...
...and that is a mistake.  They may be young, but two of their freshman will make immediate impact.  D-I transfer Lincoln Garner has an electric arm, and 1B/LHP/DH Justin Franklin can mash the ball.  Plus, you know Naff always has his guys ready to play sound, fundemental baseball.

That sounds weird.  Ferrum and Fundamentals in the same sentence.  When I played they were a masher team with some arms.  Fundamentals and defense were not their strong points. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 23, 2007, 06:14:40 PM
Ferrum lost their best pitcher Curtis Taylor this offseason.  At their best the defense is average.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 23, 2007, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 23, 2007, 05:19:14 PMThat sounds weird.  Ferrum and Fundamentals in the same sentence.  When I played they were a masher team with some arms.  Fundamentals and defense were not their strong points. 

i'm with you...ferrum is good, but not because they play sound, fundamental ball...they don't run particularly well, they don't play strong defense, they don't hit behind guys a lot, they don't draw a lot of walks and they don't sacrifice a lot...these are all things that i associate with fundamental baseball

by the way...i'm not sleeping on any ferrum team...ever
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 24, 2007, 08:15:35 PM
they may not be a sound, fundamental team, but they hammered mu 11-0 in the first game today...wow
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 24, 2007, 08:37:28 PM
Creef and Wooten carry Bishops to twinbill sweep of GC

Rocky Mount, NC - Freshman Joel Creef delivered a two-out RBI double in the bottom of the eighth inning on Saturday afternoon, lifting his Bishop baseball squad to a thrilling 6-5 win in game one of Wesleyan's USA South doubleheader with Greensboro College.  The 7th-ranked Bishops went on to complete the doubleheader sweep with a 5-1 victory in game two behind a 3-for-4 performance at the plate by senior Mark Wooten.  Wesleyan is now 10-3 overall, 2-0 in conference action.  With the two losses, Greensboro drops to 8-7 on the season, 0-2 in league play.

In the opener, Greensboro scratched the game's first run to take a 1-0 lead in the third.  The Bishops, however, responded with a two-spot in both the fourth and fifth innings to go up 4-1.  Junior catcher Ted Williams collected an RBI in each frame, one with a bases-load walk and one with a sharp single to left.

The Pride pulled to within one with two runs on three hits in the seventh, and it was enough to chase Wesleyan starter Blake Rice for the first time this season.  Rice threw seven complete, allowed three runs on nine hits, struck out six, and walked three.

NCWC added an insurance run in the bottom of the frame on Williams' third RBI of the game, a two-out double to left-center that plated Justin Batts.  Batts had previously reached on an error to extend the inning.

Up 5-3, the Bishops brought in lefty Heath Bridgers.  Bridgers allowed a lead-off single and then hit a batter, setting the stage for Dale Martin's RBI fielder's choice that cut the NCWC lead to 5-4.  With two outs and Martin on second, Wesleyan skipper Charlie Long brought in Batts.  Pat Burgess promptly delivered a clutch single up the middle that knotted the game at 5-5.  Both runs were credited to Bridgers and ensured a no-decision for Rice.

The stage was then set for Creef's heroics.  With one out, senior Nathan West reached on a crucial Pride error and advanced to second on a wild pitch.  A groundout to second moved West to third, and Creef quickly deposited his first double of the season into the gap in left center for the eventual game-winner.

Batts tossed the ninth to earn the win and even his season record at 1-1.  GC's Chatham Bray (3-1) suffered the tough loss for the Pride after going distance.  He allowed six runs (three earned) on eight hits, struck out five, and walked three.  Bray saw his defense commit three crucial fielding errors in the contest.

Wooten was 3-for-3 with an RBI and a run scored to pace the Bishops offensively, while Matt Smith and Williams added two hits apiece.  Jeff Gregory and Pat Burgess each had three hits for the Pride, who ripped 11 hits as a team.

Game two saw the Bishops open up a 5-1 lead after three complete.  It would prove to be more than enough for NCWC starter Ben Pearson (3-1), who allowed one unearned run on eight hits in 7.1 innings of work.  Ben Moore closed out the final 1.2 scoreless innings for the Bishops.

Kit Mock (0-1) took the loss for the Pride after giving up five runs (three earned) on ten hits in eight complete innings.

In addition to Wooten's three hits, Smith and Luke Williford each finished 2-for-4, while Wes Means and Justin Tuck collected two RBIs apiece. Both Tyler Wolfe and Kyle Bolick recorded two hits for the Pride.

The Bishops will host Capital University on Friday at 3:00 p.m. before returning to USA South play on Saturday at Methodist.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 24, 2007, 08:56:08 PM
Christopher Newport    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
MORELAND, Kenny.....  8.0  9  6  1  4  4 30 38


How does this happen?

Averett 5th - LOYE doubled to center field. MCMILLAN reached on an error by
2b; LOYE scored. SIBRIZZI popped up to 2b. MCMILLAN advanced to second on a balk.
LESUEUR grounded out to 2b; MCMILLAN advanced to third. BRAY walked. STEINRUCK
doubled to left field, RBI; BRAY advanced to third; MCMILLAN scored, unearned.
KELLUM singled to right field, RBI; STEINRUCK advanced to third; BRAY scored,
unearned. BROWN doubled, 2 RBI; KELLUM scored, unearned; STEINRUCK scored, unearned.
MOTHERSHEAD doubled to right field, RBI; BROWN scored, unearned. LOYE grounded out
to 2b. 6 runs, 5 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB.


All those runs cant be unearned.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on February 24, 2007, 09:20:07 PM
The boys from Averett can hit....the addition of fr Loye, Lesueur, and Sibrizzi as made this team dangerous. They play hit and run ball and do it well. Amend Shelton is a 25 yr freshman pitcher...I think he was at VCU at one time.

go tigers
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on February 24, 2007, 09:39:23 PM
NCWS....this past mid-week your boys Pearson & Moore were your teams # 4 & 5 pitchers, pitching against VWC....They pitched a conference game today...I didn't think teams in the usas pitched their #4 & 5 in league play. Whats up with that?

Could it have been Lesure's ground out to 2nd would have been the 3rd out...all runs after then were un-earned.

go Tigers
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on February 24, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
the monarchs came back to beat ferrum 9-2 and earn a split...i'll take it

story & box scores (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/ferrum0224.htm)

h-sc bball...i can't answer you're question, but they sure were effective pitching on short rest...maybe there are injuries to the ncwc staff?? - if so, i hope it's only serious enough to last beyond next weekend :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 25, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
Robertson was sick or hurt, he is usually the number two.  There are a couple other starters that are mixed in for 3,4,5 spots.  But if you have a problem im sure anyone of them will solve it when we play you this year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on February 25, 2007, 08:09:52 AM
NCWC,  All runs unearned is correct. Recreate the inning without the error and there are no runs. Batter that doubled scored on an error on 2B. Next two batters made outs and inning should have been over. It's basic baseball scoring 101. Give Averett credit , they did a great job that inning of going with the pitch and had at least 3 opposite field hits. Moreland wasn't his normal sharp self, and plate ump was really squeezing curve ball calls both ways.   Pretty good baseball games, and VERY glad USA South changed the schedule as I'd otherwise be sitting in a hotel in Danville right now looking at a lot of snow falling, 3.5 hours from home. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 25, 2007, 09:08:20 AM
Hokie... didnt really care to much about the earned run deal...concerned with morelands performance mainly...how does loye look for AU?  ROY?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on February 25, 2007, 10:22:01 AM
NCWC...No problem at all...since I'm a new poster and didn't know the history of your conference play it just seemed to me that everytime your boys lost to an odac team or other conference team you use the excuse that it was because we threw our #1 and you guys threw your #4 or 5....well it works the same for us....no different....when we play mid week games with a conference game to follow, you are not going to see our # 1 or 2....you may see our #3 if it's played on a Tuesday like last yr when we you beat us 1-0....had that game been played on a Wednesday you would have seen our # 4 or 5....we play on a Thursday this year and you will not see our #1, 2, or 3 as I expect the same from your team. The one thing I didn't know that I now see.... is.... that in previous years you guys played 3 conference games on the weekend which means mid week games you had to pitch your 4 or 5 or by committee.....while that is difficult to keep up a record that may get you an at large bid it also strengthen your pitching and prepared your team for tournament ball.....I'm really going to be curious on your end of the year take on going back to 2 weekend conference games.....are you planing to attend the game at Sydney this year ?....Good start on your weekend sweep...Greensboro has good some big sticks on that team.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on February 25, 2007, 01:42:08 PM
Moreland looks good this year. He had a good summer and fall, and is throwing well. He wasn't as pinpoint with his control as we're used to seeing, but everybody has a less than perfect day. He will continue to be very tough to beat.  CNU seems to have deep pitching this year as a lot of guys have looked pretty good in the early going.   Moreland wasn't at his best yesterday, but take nothing from Averett, they got the bat on the ball, put it in play and good things happened.   All 6 runs scored for AU in one inning. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 25, 2007, 08:26:27 PM
The reason I keep asking about Averett and talking about 4th and 5th starters is because I would like to see a USAS south team get an at large bid for once.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on February 25, 2007, 10:19:24 PM
Loye looked okay, but I didn't see what I expected, although hard to tell much in two games. Defensively he's struggling-11 errors committed already per AU stats, and one Saturday.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on February 25, 2007, 11:38:40 PM
Middle or in,
Say goodbye,
There goes another,
Foster RBI.

My main man Tim Jourgensen told me to check out this message board here. Me and him are some D-3 Baseball Fanatics.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 26, 2007, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 25, 2007, 08:26:27 PM
The reason I keep asking about Averett and talking about 4th and 5th starters is because I would like to see a USAS south team get an at large bid for once.

I hear you on that one.  When we played in the 98 Regionals.  The Dixie had three teams in the regional that year.  NCWC, Methodist and Greensboro. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 26, 2007, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 21, 2007, 03:10:55 PM
Catfish-Is burgessesseses glove holding him back any?

I would say the only thing holding him back would be his golve.   He can hit the ball and shows some speed around the bases.  But the guy has stone hands, they even tried to hide him in the second game in left field. 
I graded his glove at below average and a fair arm.   But he was 45-50 with the bat and power.  Someone will take a chance on him because of his bat but he does not have a position on the field to play.  Cause even if they put him in the outfield his arm is not good enough. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 26, 2007, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: hokieone on February 25, 2007, 08:09:52 AM
NCWC,  All runs unearned is correct. Recreate the inning without the error and there are no runs. Batter that doubled scored on an error on 2B. Next two batters made outs and inning should have been over. It's basic baseball scoring 101. Give Averett credit , they did a great job that inning of going with the pitch and had at least 3 opposite field hits. Moreland wasn't his normal sharp self, and plate ump was really squeezing curve ball calls both ways.   Pretty good baseball games, and VERY glad USA South changed the schedule as I'd otherwise be sitting in a hotel in Danville right now looking at a lot of snow falling, 3.5 hours from home. 

The first run is earned.    After Loye doubled, Loye goes to third no matter if the 2b made the out or not and eventaully scores on the balk.  The official scorer credited the Loye run as earned (or it would have been noted as unearned).  I can only imagine that the ball McMillian hit was behind Loye at second which allows him to advance.  Alsop, the fact that Loye scored on the error leads me to believe that Loye would have advanced with out a problem.  If the ball was hit in front of Loye, I would expect the scorer to consider Loye still on second for earned run purposes thus making his run unearned (unless circumstances merited advancing the runner - i.e. trying to steal third on the McMilliam play).    Not quite Scoring 101 - maybe Scoring 102.



Averett 5th inning went like this:

Averett 5th - LOYE doubled to center field. MCMILLAN reached on an error by
2b; LOYE scored. SIBRIZZI popped up to 2b. MCMILLAN advanced to second on a balk.
LESUEUR grounded out to 2b; MCMILLAN advanced to third. BRAY walked. STEINRUCK
doubled to left field, RBI; BRAY advanced to third; MCMILLAN scored, unearned.
KELLUM singled to right field, RBI; STEINRUCK advanced to third; BRAY scored,
unearned. BROWN doubled, 2 RBI; KELLUM scored, unearned; STEINRUCK scored, unearned.
MOTHERSHEAD doubled to right field, RBI; BROWN scored, unearned. LOYE grounded out
to 2b. 6 runs, 5 hits, 1 error, 1 LOB.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on February 26, 2007, 08:35:43 PM
The ball was behind the runner, and I forgot the balk so the first run should properly be earned. Scoring 101.5 maybe.... ;D.  Still an ugly inning for CNU as Averett got on a roll and to their credit got the job done.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on February 26, 2007, 11:41:37 PM
George Foster says.......

I don't know much about earned runs but I sure know alot about RBI's and Home Runs. Tim Jourgensen better be glad I didn't play D-3 or I would have had that HR record.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on February 28, 2007, 11:14:29 PM
VWC looks pretty impressive so far.  They have a ton of pitching and have been showing some depth as of late.  Looks like there will be a strong south regional this year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: TomEmanski on March 01, 2007, 07:12:29 AM
Catfish, I would like to email you privately with some general questions about scouting (i.e. not to ask you what you think of player X but more to talk about the profession of scouting and how I can go about learning more).  Is there a way I can email you?   Thanks
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 01, 2007, 11:02:19 AM
Narch, are you going to be at the games this weekend?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 01, 2007, 12:33:12 PM
Quote from: TomEmanski on March 01, 2007, 07:12:29 AM
Catfish, I would like to email you privately with some general questions about scouting (i.e. not to ask you what you think of player X but more to talk about the profession of scouting and how I can go about learning more).  Is there a way I can email you?   Thanks
you can email me at catfishncwc@yahoo.com  I will help you out anyway I can.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 02, 2007, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 01, 2007, 11:02:19 AM
Narch, are you going to be at the games this weekend?
unfortunately, i won't make the saturday game...i've got kid duty, and it's dr. suess' birthday so we'll be eating green eggs and ham and watching cat in the hat...and i'm being totally serious

i'm going to try to make the sunday game if the weather stays nice
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2007, 01:19:07 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2007, 01:14:05 PM

unfortunately, i won't make the saturday game...i've got kid duty, and it's dr. suess' birthday so we'll be eating green eggs and ham and watching cat in the hat...and i'm being totally serious


I cannot decide if that is the nicest thing I have ever heard... or the scariest thing I have ever heard.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 02, 2007, 01:21:31 PM
oh yeah...forgot to post result from yesterday...monarchs get a last inning 5-4 win against capital - they pitched well, again, but i'm starting to worry a little about the gloves and bats - the monarchs have made 16 errors in 9 games and are hitting just .250 as a team with only 1 regular above .300 (eudy)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0301.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 02, 2007, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 02, 2007, 01:19:07 PMI cannot decide if that is the nicest thing I have ever heard... or the scariest thing I have ever heard.

if you had told me 5 years ago that i would (somewhat) happily miss a monarch/bishop baseball game for dr. suess, i would have called you a liar...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2007, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2007, 01:21:31 PM
oh yeah...forgot to post result from yesterday...monarchs get a last inning 5-4 win against capital - they pitched well, again, but i'm starting to worry a little about the gloves and bats - the monarchs have made 16 errors in 9 games and are hitting just .250 as a team with only 1 regular above .300 (eudy)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0301.htm)

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Hopefully, they can turn it around with the gloves and bats. You can play poor defense if you are swinging it well, but the combination or poor defense and hitting is usually trouble .
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 02, 2007, 06:52:12 PM
Batts' blasts two homers, NCWC downs Capital 6-2

Rocky Mount, NC - Sophomore catcher Justin Batts blasted his first two homeruns of the season on Friday afternoon, leading his Bishop baseball squad of North Carolina Wesleyan to a 7-3 victory over visiting Capital University at Bauer Field.  Batts was 2-for-3 at the plate with three RBIs.  Wesleyan improves to 11-3 on the season, while the Crusaders drop to 0-2 overall.

Batts gave the Bishops an early 1-0 lead in the bottom of the second when he belted a Mike Graffin pitch over the pine trees in left.  After a Justin Stegman RBI-single and wild pitch allowed the Crusaders to take a 2-1 lead in the fourth, the Bishops responded with a five-spot in the bottom half of the inning, highlighted by Batts' two-run dinger to left-center.

The Crusaders managed one run off of Bishop reliever Shaun Moore in the eighth when Stegman collected an RBI-sac fly to right field. NCWC's Luke Williford, however, answered with an RBI-double in the bottom of the inning for the 7-3 final.

Bishop starter Jonathan Lucas moved to 3-0 on the season after tossing five solid innings, allowing two runs on seven hits, while striking out two and walking none.

Graffin took the loss for Capital and is now 0-1 on the season.  The junior hurler went 3.1 innings and gave up five runs (four earned) on three hits. CU freshman Jon Wing threw the final 4.2 frames and allowed two runs (one earned) run on four hits.

Marc St. John, Mike St. John, and Nick Snider each had two hits for the Crusaders, who ripped 12 hits as a team.  Like Batts, sophomore Luke Williford had a good day at the plate for Wesleyan, going 3-for-5 with an RBI.

The Bishops return to USA South play this weekend when they travel to rival Methodist for a two-game set on Saturday and Sunday.  Saturday's game is slated for 1:00 p.m. in Fayetteville.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: VW-16 on March 03, 2007, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2007, 11:14:29 PM
VWC looks pretty impressive so far.  They have a ton of pitching and have been showing some depth as of late.  Looks like there will be a strong south regional this year.

Catfish,
If you are who I think you are, we had a very competitive battle in the late 90's and you are now a scout. What do you think of Rivera in a pro atmosphere. I believe he has the stuff but would like your opinion.

Flanny
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 03, 2007, 06:31:35 PM
March 3, 2007
Methodist Takes 7-3 Win Over #7 NC Wesleyan
Freshman Seth Kivett drives in two runs going 3-for-4 from the plate

FAYETTEVILLE, NC- The Monarchs were anxious to face conference rival and 7th-ranked North Carolina Wesleyan on Saturday.  The Bishops scored first, but the Monarchs responded with a four-run first inning to score all the runs they would need.  Methodist moves to 7-3 overall and 2-1 in the USA South, while NC Wesleyan moves to 11-4 this season and 2-1 in the conference.

With the Bishops holding a 1-0 lead going into the bottom of the first, junior Kyle Eudy doubled to right field to score junior Matt Hunt and senior Jonathan Spivey.  Sophomore Billy Quinn reach first on a walk and junior Scott Russell singled to load the bases.  The Bishops made two outs at home before freshman Seth Kivett's single to right field would score Russell and sophomore Dustin Proctor.  The Monarchs picked up where they left off in the bottom of the second inning with hits by Spivey and Eudy.  Quinn's single to left scored Spivey and Proctor hit a sacrifice fly to right field to score Eudy. 

The Monarchs took a 7-1 lead in the bottom of the fourth on a sacrifice fly by Spivey to score freshman Brian Halpin.  Going into the seventh inning, sophomore pitcher Kurt Kelly had only given up three hits on one unearned run.  In the top of the seventh, the Bishops' bats started connecting to knock out three hits with two runs.  Freshman Fred Geisinger came on in relief to record the final out of the inning.  Geisinger finished the final two innings without giving up a hit to secure the 7-3 win for the Monarchs.

Kivett finished 3-for-4 with two RBI and Spivey went 2-for-3 with a RBI.  Eudy was 2-for-4 with two RBI.

Both teams will return to Armstrong-Shelley field on Sunday at 2 pm for game two of the weekend series.

Box Score
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 03, 2007, 08:07:52 PM
Ferrum took two from GC today.  Freshman VMI transfer Lincoln Garner improved to 3-0 with his 8 inning performance in game one.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 03, 2007, 09:12:01 PM
that's a big win for the monarchs today...i've got to be honest, i didn't expect them to rough up rice the way they did - the monarchs touched him for 11 hits and 7 er in 7 innings...if i can make it to the game on sunday, i'll bring a broom, just in case :)

speaking of that, the monarchs seem to have the bishops number over the last few years...they are now 9-3 vs. ncwc since 2004...i would never have thought that coming into this series

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0303.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 04, 2007, 10:36:00 AM
Tom knows everyone of our signs.  And just about everything we do before we do it.  He is a good coach.  We were also without Pecora.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 04, 2007, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 04, 2007, 10:36:00 AM
Tom knows everyone of our signs.  And just about everything we do before we do it.  He is a good coach.  We were also without Pecora.
your boys came back to win 4-1  today in a game that featured zero earned runs

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0304.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 04, 2007, 08:04:32 PM
Tom can control everything but the errors.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on March 05, 2007, 03:35:34 AM
George Foster says.....

You better keep your broom at home when Ben Pearson takes the mound.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on March 05, 2007, 03:44:08 AM
George Foster would also like to add.......


Averett is playing some stiff competition this year.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 05, 2007, 08:24:38 PM
Mount Union Baseball Team Falls To Ferrum (VA)
The Raiders (1-2) fell by a score of 9-2 to Ferrum (7-4), in spring trip action on Monday, March 5 in Port Charlotte, FL.

Mount Union trailed 4-0 before scoring twice in the bottom of the sixth. However, Ferrum answered back with five runs over the next three innings to secure their seventh victory of the season.

Mike Reynolds (0-1) took the loss for Mount Union despite only allowing one earned run over five innings of work. He also recorded a career-high six strikeouts.

Cooper (1-2) picked up the win for Ferrum, tossing a complete game with nine strikeouts.

Offensively for the Purple and White, first baseman Cory Slaybaugh was 2-for-4 while rightfielder Grant Sevek and shortstop Josh Faltot each recorded an RBI.

Mount Union next plays Wittenberg on Tuesday, March 6 at noon (EST) in Port Charlotte
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 05, 2007, 08:33:17 PM
I'd like to know why someone pitches 6 2/3 innings giving up a couple runs and someone else throws 9 complete 0 runs, 8k's and gets the shaft for pitcher of the week
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 05, 2007, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 05, 2007, 08:33:17 PM
I'd like to know why someone pitches 6 2/3 innings giving up a couple runs and someone else throws 9 complete 0 runs, 8k's and gets the shaft for pitcher of the week
could be that his sid/coach didn't nominate him

"Baseball Pitcher of the Week
         Kurt Kelly, Methodist - The Wilmington, North Carolina sophomore appeared in one game last week, picking up a victory in the Monarchs', 7-3, win over USA South rival N.C. Wesleyan. Kelly earned the win by pitching six and two-third innings while giving up two earned runs on six hits with three walks and four strikeouts. Also nominated: Torrey Poholsky, Greensboro."

...but that's just a guess :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2007, 09:04:16 AM
could be that his sid/coach didn't nominate him


didnt think of that, i forgot the usas is not the acc
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 06, 2007, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: narch on March 05, 2007, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 05, 2007, 08:33:17 PM
I'd like to know why someone pitches 6 2/3 innings giving up a couple runs and someone else throws 9 complete 0 runs, 8k's and gets the shaft for pitcher of the week
could be that his sid/coach didn't nominate him

"Baseball Pitcher of the Week
         Kurt Kelly, Methodist - The Wilmington, North Carolina sophomore appeared in one game last week, picking up a victory in the Monarchs', 7-3, win over USA South rival N.C. Wesleyan. Kelly earned the win by pitching six and two-third innings while giving up two earned runs on six hits with three walks and four strikeouts. Also nominated: Torrey Poholsky, Greensboro."

...but that's just a guess :)

Maybe the level of competition had something to do w.th it.  Big win in a big game in conference compared to a weaker opponent out of conference.  But I am guessing also.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2007, 12:57:15 PM
Methodist University   IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
KELLY, K............  6.2  6  3  2  3  4 24 27


NC Wesleyan College    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
PEARSON, Ben........  9.0  7  1  0  1  8 33 38


day 1 methodist won
day 2 ncwc won

its not a big deal but it seems like it happens alot
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on March 06, 2007, 01:09:14 PM
NCWC...I see your point...Just curious, could it be they vote after Saturday's game...maybe Sunday's game falls next week?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 06, 2007, 01:50:19 PM
i agree that pearson's performance was one of the best of the week last week, but ben pearson was not nominated by the ncwc athletic department for the pitcher of the week award - if memory serves me correctly, the nominations are due by monday afternoon and include sunday games, and i'm sure it's pretty clear around the conference what the policy is...i know the policy, and my only real connection is being a former roommate of a mu sid

in the usasac, you don't get an award that you're not nominated for...it's that simple
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2007, 03:58:35 PM
You seem a little irritable narch, work not going so good?  Like I said, its not a big deal, I was just curious as to how the votes where sent in.  Excuse me for not knowing how the process works, if I had all the answers I wouldn't have asked. Coaches must have been pissed that they lost that first one.


Plus I think that whole nominated by your own school thing is B.S..  Anyway I think Ben and Mr. Kelly have a couple more left in their tank this season.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 06, 2007, 04:22:02 PM
I think that the school should nominate a player.  If I was an SID I would choose my best player and pitcher and forward those along each week.

One thing to keep in mind is that once the national player of the week is started this season, the nominations will come from the conference players of the week.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2007, 05:22:03 PM
One would think that an AD would be all over good performances by players, trying to gain exposure for his programs, or care about all the sports the same. I'll call him right now.  This explains why I didnt get drafted...lol.  Narch, you guys have some good people behind your kids.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 06, 2007, 06:39:08 PM
Averett over LC today...

Averett Cools Lynchburg Bats; Wins 2-1
http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2007_Stats/lcbase11.htm

LYNCHBURG, VA - Strong pitching and timely hitting led to an Averett University victory Tuesday over the Lynchburg College baseball team, 2-1.

Kyle Bradley (Brookneal, VA/William Campbell) went 2-for-3 and stole a base to lead the Hornets offense and starting pitcher Evan Durrer (Charlottesville, VA/Charlottesville) only gave up two runs in six innings. However, Averett's Ahmed Shelton (Lynchburg, VA/Heritage) kept the Hornets at bay, giving up only one run in nine innings, scattering five hits and six walks.

The Hornets (8-3) had a number of opportunities to score in the ninth, but only came away with one run. Jeff Lincoln (Stafford, VA/North Stafford) drove in the lone Hornet run on a sacrifice fly, but the Hornets had two on with no outs and ended the game with the bases loaded.

The Hornets travel to Winchester, VA Wednesday to battle Shenandoah University at 2 p.m. and host North Carolina Wesleyan this Friday on Fox Field at 2 p.m.
*****************************************************************
That was the LC's SID's take. My take is that Shelton is the BEST pitcher we have faced this year....so what if he is a 23 or 24 year old FRESHMAN. Don't take much into account about the walks...it was a very TIGHT strike zone today. He could have easily had 4-5 more K's and 3-4 less walks with a more forgiving plate umpire.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on March 06, 2007, 07:40:45 PM
Former Heritage Alumni from Lynchburg returns to his home town... He beat us 3-1 second game of the year...had great stuff that day...how about 24 or maybe 25. Averett 18-4....wow...what a difference a year can make.

go Tigers
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 06, 2007, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 06, 2007, 03:58:35 PM
You seem a little irritable narch

not irritable at all...the bold was simply to provide emphasis...my first, subtle response didn't get the point across, so i wanted to make certain that my second did

and work couldn't be better...thanks for asking :)

Quote from: NCWC on March 06, 2007, 05:22:03 PMNarch, you guys have some good people behind your kids.

mu has really been lucky with very good sid's for as far back as i can remember - it's a tough job at a place like methodist...1 sid for 17 ncaa sports, many of which play into the post-season...lots of game day stuff...low pay...little thanks - they've done a great job, though
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 06, 2007, 08:33:59 PM
One cannot thank a small school SID enough.  Universally they have made my life so much easier.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 07, 2007, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: VW-16 on March 03, 2007, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2007, 11:14:29 PM
VWC looks pretty impressive so far.  They have a ton of pitching and have been showing some depth as of late.  Looks like there will be a strong south regional this year.

Catfish,
If you are who I think you are, we had a very competitive battle in the late 90's and you are now a scout. What do you think of Rivera in a pro atmosphere. I believe he has the stuff but would like your opinion.

Flanny

Kevin is that you.  You still coaching after you left VWC? 
Rivera is a fringe prospect at this point.  I have not seen him since the Coastal Plain league in the summer.  I am going to see him this sunday so I will let you know what I think.  The one thing hurting him is his surgery at this point.  I think he could me a effective reliever at the next level.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: VW-16 on March 07, 2007, 06:04:50 PM

Kevin is that you.  You still coaching after you left VWC? 
Rivera is a fringe prospect at this point.  I have not seen him since the Coastal Plain league in the summer.  I am going to see him this sunday so I will let you know what I think.  The one thing hurting him is his surgery at this point.  I think he could me a effective reliever at the next level.
[/quote]
Yes it is me and no I am not coaching any longer. Took a job as commodities broker in Annapolis. Completely agree with you on the reliever point (he was a reliever/closer his first 2 years). Fringe guys sometimes look more impressive when they can go in and blow it out for an inning or 2.

Hope all is well for you
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 08, 2007, 08:04:51 AM
the monarchs won 14-13 in an 11 inning game against d2 alderson broaddus last night...they made 5 errors as a team...the defense is starting to worry me a bit

game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/alderson0307.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2007, 09:19:02 AM
Wednesday, March 07, 2007
Battling Bishops earn twinbill sweep of Emory & Henry

Rocky Mount, NC - In Wednesday afternoon baseball action, the Battling Bishops of North Carolina Wesleyan moved to 14-5 on the season with a twinbill sweep of Emory & Henry at Bauer Field.  Wesleyan took game one by a 12-2 score as sophomore catcher Justin Batts went 3-for-4 with four RBIs and homerun.  Game two saw Bishop freshman hurler Doug Roenker throw the first complete game of his collegiate career in a 9-0 shutout.  With the two losses, the Wasps drop to 2-7 overall.

Wesleyan's bats came alive early in the opener as the Bishops forged an 8-0 lead in the first two innings.  Joel Creef and Matt Smith both scored in the bottom of the first with Creef coming around on a Wasp error and Smith being plated by a Zollie Woodlief single.  NCWC's six-run second was capped by Batts' three-run homer to left.

Mark Wooten and Alex Lively picked up RBIs in the fourth and fifth innings as Wesleyan plated four more runs to increase its lead to 12-0.  The Wasps, however, avoided the shutout with two runs in the top of the seventh.  Will Freeland recorded an RBI-double to left and later scored on a Seth Hyder single to center.

Bishop starter Kyle Robertson earned the win on the mound, tossing 4.1 scoreless innings and scattering five hits.  The junior righty walked none and struck out three before being relieved by senior Matt Bryan.  Bryan finished the final 2.2 innings and both EHC runs on three hits.

Emory & Henry used six different pitchers with starter George Harrington suffering the loss.  Gavin Haynes and Freeland paced the Wasps offensely with two hits each.

Like Batts, Smith was 3-for-4 at the plate and scored three runs.  Creef and Wooten added two hits apiece for the Bishops, who ripped 12 hits as team. 

In game two, Wesleyan put up a five-spot in the second inning to take the early lead.  It proved to be more than enough for Roenker, who went the distance and scattered just six hits.  He walked one and struck out four.

Sophomore second baseman Wes Means delivered the big blow on offense when he deposited a three-run double into the corner in left in the second.  Wesleyan added four insurance runs in the fourth for the 9-0 final.

Matt Duffy was 2-for-3 to pace the Wasps on offense, while seven different Bishops had one hit in the game.  EHC again used six pitchers with Daniel Griggs taking the loss after allowing the five-run second inning (four earned).

Previously on Tuesday, the Bishops fell on the road at Virginia Wesleyan by an 11-8 score.  The Marlins jumped out to a 9-2 lead after five innings, and although the Bishops plated five runs in the sixth, it was too little to late as VWC out-scored NCWC 2-1 over the final three frames.

Ben Moore took the loss for the Bishops, throwing four complete innings and giving up five runs (three earned) on seven hits.  Offensively, Justin Batts was 2-for 5 with five RBIs.

Wesleyan returns to action on Thursday when the Bishops travel to Hampden-Sydney College.  Game time is slated for 3:00 p.m.



Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 08, 2007, 09:33:36 AM
Looks like NCWC is making mincemeat out of the ODAC (except for VWC)...
..HSC today and Lynchburg tomorrow.  It should be quite the series at Ferrum this weekend.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2007, 09:44:35 AM
A couple factors for the NCWC vs Ferrum series

1.  Ferrum is coming off from a long road trip to FL
2.  It is colder than .... up there
3.  Will the bats and defense come around for NCWC
4.  Last year when these two teams met Ferrum was #9, and was swept in the 3 game series
5.  There might be a little looking ahead on NCWC's part for the rest of the week.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 08, 2007, 12:31:05 PM
Ferrum has a top-notch freshman hurler with Lincoln Garner...which will at least keep them in Game 1.  I also heard that NCWC has one of their top bats on the shelf...not sure about the truth to that rumor, though.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2007, 01:51:48 PM
I heard the same rumor...minor bp fracture in the pinky or something of that nature...time table i think is the week before averett.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 08, 2007, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 08, 2007, 09:19:02 AMBishop starter Kyle Robertson earned the win on the mound, tossing 4.1 scoreless innings and scattering five hits.  The junior righty walked none and struck out three before being relieved by senior Matt Bryan. 

how does that happen...i thought you had to pitch 5 complete innings to be credited with a win?  does it change in a 7 inning game?

the monarchs play 2 vs. ehc today...i'm wondering who will pitch - they used 6 guys yesterday in the 11 inning affair yesterday and have a crucial set with gc this weekend
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 08, 2007, 06:03:07 PM
They were both 7 inning ball games and yes in a seven inning ball game 4 innings is all that is needed for a win.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 08, 2007, 08:11:34 PM
thanks catfish

the monarchs got a 7-1 win in the first game of the ehc dh today...bisplinghoff threw a 7 inning complete game 3 hitter...would've been a shutout if not for an unearned run in the 7th...he looked pretty sharp, but i was surprised to see him throw today - he's been pitching well and i thought he might be held out in case he was needed in long relief over the weekend - game 2 results are pending

monarchs win game two 12-1 - frosh landon jordan pitched 6 strong, giving up just 4 hits and 1 er - looks like ehc went wholestaff since they've played 4 games in 2 days - game stories and box scores (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/emoryhenry0308.htm)
   
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2007, 06:45:03 PM
4 losses in a week..... Gonna drop way down the totem pole at the end of this month    :-\
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 09, 2007, 07:33:08 PM
At least they were all non conference wins.  the USA South is looking pretty competative.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 09, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 09, 2007, 06:45:03 PM
4 losses in a week..... Gonna drop way down the totem pole at the end of this month    :-\
I think NCWC was playing without 5 starters today...and they're pretty banged up.  They got a lot of hits but stranded runners and had 3 thrown out trying to steal and another nailed at home.  Their pitcher also tired (#26) late in the game, and I am sure in a conference game he'd have gotten the hook sooner, but he may have been taking one for the team with the big Ferrum series coming up this weekend.

Here's the report from the NCWC web site..

Late homers lift Lynchburg to 9-5 win over Battling Bishops


Lynchburg, VA - Lynchburg's Cameron Grant and David Gaines each hit home runs on Friday afternoon as the Hornet baseball team topped North Carolina Wesleyan by a 9-5 score in a non-conference match-up at Fox Field.  Grant's two-run shot in the sixth inning broke a 4-4 tied and put the Hornets on top for good.  Lynchburg improves to 9-3 on the season, while the Bishops have now dropped two straight and stand at 14-7 overall.

There was plenty of offense early as the Hornets and Bishops found themselves in a 3-3 deadlock after two complete.  NCWC's Justin Batts drove in two runs with a single in the first, while Luke Williford delivered an RBI-double in the second.

Wesleyan took a brief 4-3 lead in the fifth on a Dennis Meshaw RBI, but Lynchburg answered by tying the game on a double and single to lead off the sixth.  Tied at 4-4, Grant then delivered his two-run blast that gave the Hornets a lead that they would not relinquish.  Gaines followed with a solo blast in the seventh.

In all, eight Hornets accounted for 16 hits on the day. Kyle Bradley and Eric O'Brien each went 4-for-4, with Bradley scoring one run and driving in two and O'Brien driving in three.  Conner Thompson pitched 6.2 innings in relief of starter Spencer Garrett, giving up only two runs in collecting the win.

For the Bishops, Williford and Mark Wooten were each 3-for-5 at the plate, while Meshaw and Matt Smith collected two hits apiece as NCWC tallied 13 hits on the day.  Starter Heath Bridgers took the loss after allowing seven runs (six earned) on 14 hits in seven complete.  He struck out five and walked two on the day.

Wesleyan returns to USA South play on Saturday when the Bishops travel to Ferrum College for a 1:00 p.m. contest with the Panthers.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 10, 2007, 08:56:46 PM
the monarchs get another very good pitching performance today, and win 4-3 vs. greensboro - http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0310.htmbox score (//http://)

this staff is really coming together pretty nicely at this juncture in the season...they've given up more than 4 runs just twice in 15 games and they are getting quality innings from the starters...despite losing their top 3 pitchers to graduation last year AND having a weekend starter and a top mid-week starter/weekend long man out for the season with injuries...hope they can keep it up!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 11, 2007, 04:18:38 PM
Im starting to think there is something wrong with Blake, 14 er in his last two starts, robertson has been shaky, luckily pearson has stepped up.  It seems like Mark Wootens bat has found its way back to him...2004 ROY-2 so so years....looks a lot more consistent this year.


Saw Billy Wagner pitcher last weekend and this past friday.  He throws it pretty good for a D3 boy.  Mets are looking pretty solid this spring training.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 11, 2007, 08:54:09 PM
the monarchs took one on the chin today, losing 11-4...it was just one of those days where everything the pride hit seemed to find a hole - i think they had 1 xb hit on the day, but a bunch of dinks and dunks that found their way in, and they managed to parlay that into 11 runs - toth was cruising through 3, and i thought he might put the pride on lockdown, but had a shaky 4th, giving up a run and then gave up 3 in the 5th and another 2 in the sixth...kivett is going to be the real deal for the monarchs...he went 4-4 with a 2b, a 3b and 2 singles - 3-3 in conference with 3 series splits...kind of reminding me of a few seasons ago when the monarchs split ever conference series...can we got back to 3 game sets :)

story and box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0311.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 12, 2007, 06:15:17 PM
Sunday, March 11, 2007
Pearson strikes again, gives NCWC series split with Ferrum

Rocky Mount, NC - For the second straight week, right-hander Ben Pearson helped his Bishop baseball squad avoid a conference sweep by tossing a complete game in the series' finale.  This week's victim, Ferrum College, saw Pearson scatter six hits and allow just two runs (one earned) as Wesleyan downed the Panthers by a 3-2 score on Sunday afternoon.  Previously on Saturday, the Bishops fell by a 7-6 score in the bottom of the ninth inning.

Wesleyan is now 15-8 overall, 4-2 in USA South action.  Ferrum is 9-8 on the season and also boasts a 4-2 league mark.

In Sunday's game, the Bishops got all the offense they would need in the top of the fourth.  Matt Smith led off the inning with a double, and one out later, sophomore Justin Batts nailed his fourth homerun of the season to give Wesleyan a  2-0 lead.  Jason Webb made it back-to-back blasts for the Bishops with his first four-bagger of the season, giving NCWC a 3-0 lead.

Pearson did the rest, allowing an unearned run in the sixth and a homerun in the ninth.  The Panthers managed to advance the tying run to third base that same inning, but Pearson ended the threat and the game with a fly-out to center.

With the win, Pearson moves to 5-1 on the season, 3-0 in USA South play. Casey Davenport took the loss for Ferrum after going six complete innings and allowing three runs (all earned) on six hits.

Batts, Smith, and Joel Creef paced Wesleyan at the plate with two hits apiece, while six different Panthers collected one hit on the day.

On Saturday, Ferrum and Wesleyan found themselves in a 6-6 tie going in to final frame.  The Panthers' DJ Phillips the tripled to lead off the bottom of the ninth inning and eventually scored on a wild pitch by NCWC starter Blake Rice to give the Panthers a 7-6 win.

Phillips was 2-for-4 on the day with two runs scored.  Brent Sowers was also 2-for-4 with a double, two runs, and an RBI.

Freshman pitcher Lincoln Garner tossed 7.1 innings, allowed eight hits, walked three, and struck out five en route to his second USA South win of the season.

Offensively, the Bishops were led by Matt Smith and Mark Wooten, who each went 2-for-4 with a run scored and an RBI.  Wooten's hit came on a solo homer in the top of the eighth inning, while sophomore Wes Means also homered for the Bishops. 

Wesleyan trailed 6-1 before plating a combined five runs in the eighth and ninth innings to knot the score at 6-6.

Rice suffered the loss for Wesleyan.  He pitched eight innings, allowed 10 hits, walked three, and struck out four.

Wesleyan returns to action on Thursday when the Bishops travel to Bridgewater College for a 3:00 p.m. match-up with the Eagles.



Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 13, 2007, 07:05:33 PM
Averett Homers in Ninth to Defeat LC Baseball 7-6

For immediate release – 3/13/2007 - #233

Averett Homers in Ninth to Defeat LC Baseball 7-6

Box score
http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2007_Stats/aub0313.htm

DANVILLE, VA – Jake Loye hit a walk-off three-run home run Tuesday afternoon to give the Averett University baseball team a 7-6 non-conference victory over Lynchburg College.

The Cougars led 4-3 entering the ninth frame, but the Hornets plated three runs – one on a double from Jon Crews (Lynchburg, VA/Heritage) - and two more on a single from Jonathan Sewell (Charlottesville, VA/St. Anne's Belfield). After a hits-batman and a single in the bottom of the ninth, Loye hit his game-winning home run to left field with one out to end the game.

Eric O'Brien (Roanoke, VA/Cave Spring) and Jeff Taylor (Lynchburg, VA/Heritage) each went 3-5 for Lynchburg with a double. Crews, David Gaines (Lynchburg, VA/Jefferson Forest) and Kyle Bradley (Brookneal, VA/William Campbell) all had two hits.

Loye finished the game 4-5, and Ahmed Shelton had three hits for Averett (22-5).
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on March 13, 2007, 07:53:36 PM
Quote

Add lesueur 's 2 hit and you have 9 of the 15 hits by freshmen...I don't think there is another team who has improved as much as Averett has with freshmen. Loye hit a two out 6th inning 3 run homer to beat H-SC 3-1 in an 7 inning contest.

Go Tigers
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 13, 2007, 09:17:50 PM
Justin Franklin and Lincoln Garner from Ferrum are a pretty good duo...
...and Shelton, at least 26 years old, is hardly a freshman.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 13, 2007, 11:01:25 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on March 13, 2007, 09:17:50 PM...and Shelton, at least 26 years old, is hardly a freshman.
is he using his first year of eligibility?  if so, he's a freshman...maybe not a typical or traditional freshman, but a freshman nonetheless
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 13, 2007, 11:03:35 PM
the monarchs HAMMERED villa julie today, 14-1 - another nice week day pitching performance from bisplinhoff going 6 and allowing just one run - kivett and quinn had pretty nice days, each registering a hr and driving in 6 and 5 runs, respectively

game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/villajulie0313.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 13, 2007, 11:55:26 PM
Narch..its good to see elliot doing well.  He had come up for a recruit weekend his jr. year of high school i believe.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 14, 2007, 12:05:33 AM
I believe Pecora will be back in action again this weekend against the somehow 22-5 Averett squad
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 14, 2007, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: narch on March 13, 2007, 11:01:25 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on March 13, 2007, 09:17:50 PM...and Shelton, at least 26 years old, is hardly a freshman.
is he using his first year of eligibility?  if so, he's a freshman...maybe not a typical or traditional freshman, but a freshman nonetheless
The way I understand it, he actually enrolled in a college after his senior year in HS...
...and if this is true, there is NO WAY he can be eligible for NCAA...unless he got a special waiver.  If I were a USA South team, I would be checking under every nook and cranny on that guy.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: mustang19 on March 14, 2007, 12:21:01 PM
Don't you think the school's Athletic Department would check the guy's eligibilty before letting him play in a game???
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 14, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: mustang19 on March 14, 2007, 12:21:01 PM
Don't you think the school's Athletic Department would check the guy's eligibilty before letting him play in a game???

you'd think that would be the case, but both guilford and shenandoah have had football players with eligibility issues in the past 2 years

if i understand correctly, the d3 eligibility clock doesn't start until you play...could it be that he enrolled somewhere without playing?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 14, 2007, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on March 14, 2007, 09:07:37 AM
The way I understand it, he actually enrolled in a college after his senior year in HS...
...and if this is true, there is NO WAY he can be eligible for NCAA...unless he got a special waiver.  If I were a USA South team, I would be checking under every nook and cranny on that guy.

The rules are different for D3 - no age limit, no limit on how much college.  The rule that applies is how many years he played in a sport.  If you have 8 years of college and have yet to play - your still get 4 years like an 18 year old with no college.

He could be a freshman with a lot of credits.  I went back to get a second bachalors degree and was a freshman until I asked them to evaluate my transfer credits.  Presto I was a senior.

Averett has done a lot with their freshmen.  I'll have a short piece on them tomorrow on d3baseball.com

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on March 15, 2007, 05:22:24 AM
Ah ha...that explains it.  I'm used to D-I rules and figured they applied in D-III as well.  Thanks, Jim.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 15, 2007, 12:46:52 PM
The guy that has the consecutive hitting streak record for d3 was also much older than the regular freshman at his time of arrival.  I think he was in the military, like the kid from Wisc.-Stevens Point
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 15, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
Freshmen make the difference for Averett
The Averett Cougars' last appearance in the NCAA playoffs was 2003 when they finished with a 27-14 record. Today the Cougars are only five wins from matching that total as they are 22-5, leading Division III baseball in wins and are three wins from leading all NCAA baseball divisions (Division II Lenoir-Rhyne has 24 wins). Their success lies with an influx of new talent as their everyday lineup features five freshmen "The talent level of our team has increased," said coach Ed Fulton. "We had a good recruiting class."

A key member of this freshman class is shortstop Jake Loye who leads the team in homeruns and RBIs and third with a.373 batting average. "Both shortstops in high school, Loye and second baseman Eric Sibrizzsi have solidified the middle both defensively and offensively," said Fulton. The three other freshmen who have found starting jobs are Jeremiah McMillian (.378, 15 runs), Ahmad Shelton (.349, 7 SB), and John Lesueur (.306, 19 runs). It is not only the freshmen class that has contributed to the Cougar's success. Seniors Pierce Steinruck (.391, 23 RBI), Larry Motherhead (.339, 15 Runs), and T. J. Bray (.352, 23 RBI) have helped Averett to one of their best start in school history.
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Junior pitcher Travis Reynolds (4-0, 1.78 ERA) is the old man on the Cougars' pitching staff working primarily as a reliever and a spot starter. The starting rotation features a host of freshmen and sophomores. At the top of the starting rotation is Shelton (5-0, 2.25) and sophomore Jacob Walker (4-0, 3.11). Another freshman who has found early success at Averett is Chase Hall (2-0, 1.04) who leads the team with five saves. "It is exiting to see a young team play to their potential," said Fulton.

Fulton acknowledges that the easiest part of the season is behind him with eight conference games in the next month. "Top to bottom our conference stacks up to others," said Fulton. "You look at how many times a team from the USA South made it to the Championships". With a weekend series at N.C. Wesleyan this weekend and perennial top teams in Greensboro, Methodist and Ferrum still to come, the challenge to the team is to keep winning. Fulton has confidence in his team to continue improving. "Right now the team is playing to their talent level, not above it."
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on March 15, 2007, 01:02:13 PM
Bishop baseball to sponsor Relay For Life charity event

Rocky Mount, NC - The North Carolina Wesleyan baseball team has announced that it will sponsor a Relay For Life charity event on Saturday, March 17th. The Bishops, who will take on USA South foe Averett University at 1:00 p.m. at Bauer Field, will donate all gate receipts to this annual fundraiser.  Donations are also welcome.
Wesleyan began its "Relay" fundraising efforts earlier in the year when the Bishops sponsored a Hit-A-Thon.  NCWC collected 2,863 hits in two days as players compiled a list of sponsors to support their hitting efforts.  The Hit-a-Thon allowed each individual to swing for ten minutes in succession collecting as many hits as possible.

Saturday's event is Wesleyan's latest effort to donate to "Relay."  Be sure to come out to cheer on the Bishops and support this worthy cause.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 15, 2007, 03:03:48 PM
jim - great article about averett...anything positive about the usasac is always good to see, especially on the front page...of course, i think you should have mentioned that au is currently 5th in the 7 team usasac :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 16, 2007, 12:34:41 AM
Averett has come a long way from the days I played in the Dixie.  When I played averett was just starting in the conference and they had a play-in game for the conference tournament and Averett always played in the play-in.  We used to call that game the Averett Invitational.  Congrats to Coach Fulton for putting a nice program together from strach. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 16, 2007, 11:31:37 PM
the monarchs scheduled game with rhodes has been postponed until saturday - rhodes is off to an 18-2 start and has scored a TON of runs (5 or more in all but 2 games, and a number of double digit scoring games...they're averaging 9.6 runs per game...wow) - i don't know much about most of the teams they've played, but they look like they will test the monarch pitching staff
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 17, 2007, 08:48:03 PM
Quote03/17/07--- The Rhodes Baseball team outscored Methodist College University by a score of 6-1 to extend their current winning streak to 14 games. Before last season, when the team equalled the school record for wins, the Lynx had not won more than 13 games in a season since well before the turn of the century. Rhodes' 2007 record stands at 20-2. The Lynx will return home to play Elmhurst tomorrow at 12:00pm.

no box, but it looks like rhodes is pretty hot right now...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 18, 2007, 08:13:49 AM
is this box score (http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/2006-07/stats/ncwb0317.htm) correct?  did BOTH pitchers go 11 innings?  pretty amazing, if so
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 18, 2007, 10:33:05 AM
I'm back after a long absence.  I will throw a few things out there:

a) Except for the grass, War Memorial reminds of the stadium that the Rockford Peaches played in the movie League of Their Own.

b) Somewhat looking forward to the Greenboro-Guilford game at First Horizon park.  I went over there last year when Greensboro beat Brown and I am not too sure why but they were serving alcohol. I am not too sure if that is a good idea or not. I don't know what the game will be like if both Greensboro and Guilford college students start to get drunk at the game.  It was a very lively basketball game.

c) Keep on rolling Greensboro Softball.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 18, 2007, 11:23:19 AM
the monarchs rebounded for an 8-1 win vs. piedmont last night - for those of you who don't know, pc is coached by former long-time monarch assistant jim peeples and has 2 assistant coaches who are former monarchs...talk about knowing what you're going to do :)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/pcb20.htm)

psbbg - has the gc softball team played anyone who is any good?...the record is pretty impressive, but i haven't looked closely at the competition -  i know the monarchs have played (and beat) the defending national champions twice and played 5 of 6 games vs. ranked teams in the nfca leadoff classic last weekend (going 4-2) - it's great for the usasac to have 2 nationally ranked teams...wish we could say the same about baseball :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 18, 2007, 12:14:40 PM
The softball team did beat the number one ranked team at the time (Muskingham) when they were in Flordia when they went 7-1. They beat the now number 10 Emory once. Not too sure about the rest of the games. I saw methodist last year at the regionals while visiting family up at Salisbury last summer. I was impressed. Oh the latest poll has only one team listed from USASouth.

http://nfca.org/top25/index.php?cat_id=3&poll_id=141

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 18, 2007, 09:43:27 PM
the monarch finish the sweep of piedmont, 3-2, to push their record to 14-6 on the season - bisplinghoff pitched 7 strong, giving up just 2 er

game stories and box scores (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/piedmont0318.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 18, 2007, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 18, 2007, 12:14:40 PM
Oh the latest poll has only one team listed from USASouth.

http://nfca.org/top25/index.php?cat_id=3&poll_id=141

right you are...i hadn't seen that one...i just assumed the monarchs were still ranked, even after a 4-2 week - it makes little sense that the monarchs fall from #23 after a 4-2 week with losses to the #1 and #7 team in the country...[scratches head]

enough softball talk...i'm really impressed with the way the monarch starters are keeping them in games - even the rhodes game...kelly pitched 8 strong against a very good offensive team giving up just 1 er - jordan, who has pitched well for a frosh, got lit up in the 9th giving up 5 er's in 2/3 of an inning - i've got to say they have exceeded my expectations at this point in the season...i hope it continues

the staff will be tested this week, with games tuesday, wednesday, thursday then cnu this weekend
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 18, 2007, 10:25:40 PM
averett might be for real, eh...swept the bishops this weekend

and su beat ferrum with garner on the hill
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: narch on March 18, 2007, 10:25:40 PM
averett might be for real, eh...swept the bishops this weekend

and su beat ferrum with garner on the hill
It looks like over the past few years that if you led the conference in ERA and BA you win the conference.  As Methodist did every year they won the conference since 2001.

Although based on idea that I came up with being that lead in one of those catergories and then being average in another you win.  Well then either AU or CNU will win the conference.  So Narch, AU may be for real.

I am trying to figure out why Greensboro is struggling.  Yeah they won't win the conference but still trying to figure it out why they aren't doing so well. The only thing I could come up with is the lack of HR's.  Every other stat is in line with last year if not better, pitching comes to mind.

Oh I forgot, taking out the 37-0 win this year the the runs per game has dropped by 1 run/game.  Although that shouldn't matter too much because Greensboro is giving up 2 less runs per game in terms of ERA.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 19, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: narch on March 15, 2007, 03:03:48 PM
jim - great article about averett...anything positive about the usasac is always good to see, especially on the front page...of course, i think you should have mentioned that au is currently 5th in the 7 team usasac :)

One thing that you will notice is that D3baseball will always focus on the more upbeat stories as win or lose all these young men are playing as best they can.  In life there are always times you end up on the wrong side of the score but are still not a "loser".

In my short conversation with the Averett coach, he sounded pretty positive about his kids chances and so far they are doing a great job  The sweep of NC Wesleyan will only boost their confidence in future big games.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 19, 2007, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on March 19, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
One thing that you will notice is that D3baseball will always focus on the more upbeat stories as win or lose all these young men are playing as best they can.  In life there are always times you end up on the wrong side of the score but are still not a "loser".

In my short conversation with the Averett coach, he sounded pretty positive about his kids chances and so far they are doing a great job  The sweep of NC Wesleyan will only boost their confidence in future big games.
jim - i understand...that's why i put the little smiley face in the post...besides, they are now in 2nd place :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 19, 2007, 03:07:27 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 11:06:00 AMI am trying to figure out why Greensboro is struggling. 
me too...they looked pretty solid when i saw them - they don't seem to be getting great production out of the top of the lineup this year...last year justice and gregory hit .369 and .370 and stole a ton of bases in front of the big boys...that speed factor is huge and gc just doesn't seem to have it this year...could that be the difference?

even though he beat the monarchs, mock isn't going to strike fear into anyone...when he's on he can be very effective, but his stuff just isn't that impressive - the other starters are not really getting the job done, and you've got to have quality starting pitching taking you deep into games to win in this conference/region (or really any level)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 04:17:14 PM
Quote from: narch on March 19, 2007, 03:07:27 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 11:06:00 AMI am trying to figure out why Greensboro is struggling. 
me too...they looked pretty solid when i saw them - they don't seem to be getting great production out of the top of the lineup this year...last year justice and gregory hit .369 and .370 and stole a ton of bases in front of the big boys...that speed factor is huge and gc just doesn't seem to have it this year...could that be the difference?

even though he beat the monarchs, mock isn't going to strike fear into anyone...when he's on he can be very effective, but his stuff just isn't that impressive - the other starters are not really getting the job done, and you've got to have quality starting pitching taking you deep into games to win in this conference/region (or really any level)

I thought so too with the SB's intially too. I remeber Justice having 36 last year. Last year we avg 1.51 SB per game this year 1.5.  It looks like stealing by committee this year. Although I hoping the struggles are figured out by the conference tournament, becuase its better to struggle now then late in the year(Only because winning conference tournament is the only sure thing for an NCAA bid.)  I am hoping the season turns out like a typical Oakland Atheltics stuggle the first half and seem to find a way to turn it on the second half.

I agree starting pitching at any level is the key to winning.  Also one other thing I think should be added is great fielding helps you win too.  Great fielding can be the difference in a couple of runs.  (Also helps the pitching staff.)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on March 19, 2007, 08:13:41 PM
I'm not an expert by no means but with games against Cortland, Averett, CNU, NCW and VWC I feel I could add 2 cents worth of thought....Cortland is the most athletic team top to bottom....They are that good....The best we have seen...Jimmy Dougher can pitch.....but the teams from our area are not far behind. From our region the boys from CNU have impressed me the most.... There pitching depth is good top to bottom and they have speed both offensivly and defensivly. Averett matches CNU in all categories but defense....I had VWC next in line but a recent slide may drop them from the rankings....Couldn't get a good read on NCW....We saw the # one and two from Cortland, Averett, CNU and VWC...NCW started one of the top pitchers againt us but I'm sure he was probably their # 3...we did get to the midddle & closing pen...we didn't do that against the other teams. With games against LaGrange, Piedmont, and Huntingdon I'd say the boys from Sydney have played against some of the best team in the region.

With conference games coming up against Bridgewater, Lynchburg, W & L and non-conference games agaisnt Methodist, Ferrum, and Mary Washington I think the boys from Sydney will be ready come conference time to handle anything. The youth is gaining experance.

Gosh their are going to be some good teams sitting home come regional time...not everybody can go to the show.





 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 19, 2007, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 04:17:14 PM
I thought so too with the SB's intially too. I remeber Justice having 36 last year. Last year we avg 1.51 SB per game this year 1.5.  It looks like stealing by committee this year.

look who you're getting steals from, though...almost 1/3 (10 of 36) of gc's sb's on the season come from the 3 & 4 hitters, and only 8 from your 1 & 2 hitters...if anything, it should be the other way around - 7 of gc's steals come from 2 guys who have combined for something like 44 ab's (martin and lowe) and hit at the bottom of the lineup when they do hit - speed in front of guys like burgess and maloney means they see more distracted pitchers and better pitches - burgess can hit anything, but maloney KILLS mistakes...without that speed at the top of the lineup, he's not getting as many mistakes

just my take on the situation...could be wrong
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: meatballs2 on March 20, 2007, 03:39:39 AM
narch, what affiliation do you have with methodist.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 20, 2007, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: narch on March 19, 2007, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 04:17:14 PM
I thought so too with the SB's intially too. I remeber Justice having 36 last year. Last year we avg 1.51 SB per game this year 1.5.  It looks like stealing by committee this year.

look who you're getting steals from, though...almost 1/3 (10 of 36) of gc's sb's on the season come from the 3 & 4 hitters, and only 8 from your 1 & 2 hitters...if anything, it should be the other way around - 7 of gc's steals come from 2 guys who have combined for something like 44 ab's (martin and lowe) and hit at the bottom of the lineup when they do hit - speed in front of guys like burgess and maloney means they see more distracted pitchers and better pitches - burgess can hit anything, but maloney KILLS mistakes...without that speed at the top of the lineup, he's not getting as many mistakes

just my take on the situation...could be wrong

I agree with everything you said.  Although I am not sure if you went and looked at every box score and have seen GC has had several #2 hitters and they haven't hit as well as they did last year.

Anyway GC plays Tufts tonight at 6.  That's another game I can't make this time its not because its in the middle of the day.  I have made plans tonight already.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on March 20, 2007, 01:32:20 PM
Greensboro's offense always seems to find it's groove versus Tufts... ???
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 20, 2007, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: meatballs2 on March 20, 2007, 03:39:39 AM
narch, what affiliation do you have with methodist.
my official title is guru, but i'll answer to pretty much anything :)

seriously, i am a big fan of all monarch sports, but have a particular affinitiy for football, baseball and basketball

did you happen to play for an odac school after leaving methodist?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: meatballs2 on March 20, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: narch on March 20, 2007, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: meatballs2 on March 20, 2007, 03:39:39 AM
narch, what affiliation do you have with methodist.
my official title is guru, but i'll answer to pretty much anything :)

seriously, i am a big fan of all monarch sports, but have a particular affinitiy for football, baseball and basketball

did you happen to play for an odac school after leaving methodist?

Yea, I was wondering if I knew you.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 20, 2007, 09:38:51 PM
Quote from: meatballs2 on March 20, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
Yea, I was wondering if I knew you.
i know who you are, but we don't know each other - glad to see you ended your college career on a solid note getting some decent starts last year...would've been nice to see you do it in the green and gold, but i'm sure things worked out for you
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 20, 2007, 09:45:22 PM
the monarchs took one on the chin today, losing 6-5 to endicott - a 3 run 8th for endicott sealed the monarchs fate - the monarchs got a solid start from frosh trey hill who gave up 1er and struck out 5, making his first collegiate start...the pen let the monarchs down, allowing a total of 5 runs in the 7th and 8th

tufts wednesday, and lawrence thursday...

box and game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/endicott0320.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SU97 on March 20, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
Slid over here from the basketball board to check things out...   and I find the usual suspects involved.  ;D   
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 21, 2007, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: Bostonian on March 20, 2007, 01:32:20 PM
Greensboro's offense always seems to find it's groove versus Tufts... ???

It looks like GC did winning 18-5 tonight.

Torrey Lowe(Same football Lowe) hit a HR in the 8th.  Coming off the bench he is now tied with the team lead in HR's.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on March 21, 2007, 10:59:10 AM
You guys always seem to catch us at the right time.... :'(...maybe next year we'll get a front of the rotation guy going against you instead of someone making his first start ever in college baseball.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 21, 2007, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on March 20, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
Slid over here from the basketball board to check things out...   and I find the usual suspects involved.  ;D   

su97...when su gets a baseball team, please join us....





what's that, the hornets DO have a team...oh, i forgot :)

you know i'm pulling your leg - the great thing about the usasac is that every team is capable of beating any team in the conference, including su
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 21, 2007, 01:30:31 PM
usasac/odac series to date

usasac 33-10, .767

not bad...still lots of games to be played...maybe 3 day weekends DID hurt the usasac in mid-week games
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: meatballz2 on March 21, 2007, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: narch on March 20, 2007, 09:38:51 PM
Quote from: meatballs2 on March 20, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
Yea, I was wondering if I knew you.
i know who you are, but we don't know each other - glad to see you ended your college career on a solid note getting some decent starts last year...would've been nice to see you do it in the green and gold, but i'm sure things worked out for you

Yea I wish things could have worked out a little better in Fayetteville, but I did what was best for me. I have no hard feelings against the programs. I always hope to see them do well.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 21, 2007, 09:03:41 PM
the monarchs get another nice pitching performance from frosh landon jordan, who goes 7 giving up 2 er, to win 3-2 vs. tufts today

box and game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/tufts0321.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 22, 2007, 10:46:12 PM
the monarch improve to 16-7 with a 7-0 victory over lawrence today - bisplinghoff got the w in the box score, but i think it should have gone to vedrani since elliott only went 3 innings - 5 pitchers were used in total, including 3b seth kivett - lawrence issued 11 walks, but only gave up 6 hits

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0322.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on March 23, 2007, 10:15:29 PM
If they planned to do that with the pitching (I assume they did), then giving the starter the win is legitimate. The second guy came in with a 6-0 lead...little easier.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 24, 2007, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: Spence on March 23, 2007, 10:15:29 PM
If they planned to do that with the pitching (I assume they did), then giving the starter the win is legitimate. The second guy came in with a 6-0 lead...little easier.

i could be wrong, but i thought that a pitcher had to go 5 in a 9 inning game to earn a win, regardless of intent

the usasac daily report shows a monarch 2-1 win over cnu, but i can't confirm it on either the cnu or mu website...

it also shows a gc 9-5 win over au

edit: monarch victory confirmed...cg victory for kelly - the monarchs played small ball for both runs, forcing the captains defense to make plays that weren't made

game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/cnu0324.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 25, 2007, 09:24:06 PM
the monarchs get out the broom today, and sweep the capts 4-1 - great pitching performance again from a monarch starter as toth goes 8 giving up just 1 er - monarch batters pound out 13 hits - there's a real log-jam at the top of the standings with 3 teams tied for 1st at 5-3 and the bishops nipping at their heels at 6-4

game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/cnu0325.htm)

in non-baseball news, the monarch women's golf team shot a 293 led by a 67 from junior katie dick today to finish 2nd in a d1 tournament...they finished ahead of teams like winthrop, marshall, xavier, boston college and penn state (they were 20+ strokes ahead of bc and penn state)...it's amazing to me that a d3 program can compete with BIG TIME d1's the way they do...could anyone imagine any d3 baseball team beating any acc team soundly?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2007, 10:46:13 PM
Quote from: narch on March 25, 2007, 09:24:06 PM
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game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/cnu0325.htm)

in non-baseball news, the monarch women's golf team shot a 293 led by a 67 from junior katie dick today to finish 2nd in a d1 tournament...they finished ahead of teams like winthrop, marshall, xavier, boston college and penn state (they were 20+ strokes ahead of bc and penn state)...it's amazing to me that a d3 program can compete with BIG TIME d1's the way they do...could anyone imagine any d3 baseball team beating any acc team soundly?
Since Methodist is the only D3 school with a PGA approved curriculum of Professional Golf Management (http://www.pga.com/home/pgaofamerica/professional-management-workshops.cfm), then it is not that incomprehensible.  The remarkable thing is the Methodist beat Penn State.

That Penn State golf team must be either bad or still stuck in the middle of winter. ;)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 25, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
Greensboro has bounced back with 2 wins over Averett this weekend. Good Job.

Unrelated news Greensboro Softball is really stuggling now.  About softball why is it that one game is so lopsided and another very even. I am not just talking about Greensboro.  It looks like every school has a pitcher that can beat any team in the conference. (Some may lose but the games are really close.)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 26, 2007, 11:43:10 AM
Narch,
You asked if any D3 team would be a ACC team so bad.  Well in 1982 NCWC beat UVA 18-0 in a game.   Their were some other big time D1 progams we beat down on in the 80's.  I will check our media guide to get some more info on that for you.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 26, 2007, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2007, 10:46:13 PM
Since Methodist is the only D3 school with a PGA approved curriculum of Professional Golf Management (http://www.pga.com/home/pgaofamerica/professional-management-workshops.cfm), then it is not that incomprehensible.  The remarkable thing is the Methodist beat Penn State.

That Penn State golf team must be either bad or still stuck in the middle of winter. ;)
ralph - clearly the fact that mu started pgm in 1986 has helped the golf programs, as have amazing golf facilities and great coaching, but the fact of the matter is, the monarchs are still largely able to find young ladies (and men) who are lightly regarded by d1 programs as high school golfers and then develop them to the point that they trash them on the golf course - every one of the teams in that tournament gives athletic scholarships, and with title ix, women's golf scholarships are becoming pretty significant...i've heard of 14 handicap players getting $5-7K per year from some d1 and d2 programs...a 14 handicap player might not even make the varsity at mu

catfish - thanks for the research...no offense, but 1982 is a LONG time ago, and acc baseball is a different breed now than it was then...can anyone imagine a CURRENT d3 team beating a CURRENT acc team?  i can't...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on March 26, 2007, 11:09:28 PM
Otterbein opened the season with Ohio University, a D-1 squad. They lost 5-3. Just to throw into the mix.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 12:34:42 AM
Quote from: narch on March 26, 2007, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2007, 10:46:13 PM
Since Methodist is the only D3 school with a PGA approved curriculum of Professional Golf Management (http://www.pga.com/home/pgaofamerica/professional-management-workshops.cfm), then it is not that incomprehensible.  The remarkable thing is the Methodist beat Penn State.

That Penn State golf team must be either bad or still stuck in the middle of winter. ;)
ralph - clearly the fact that mu started pgm in 1986 has helped the golf programs, as have amazing golf facilities and great coaching, but the fact of the matter is, the monarchs are still largely able to find young ladies (and men) who are lightly regarded by d1 programs as high school golfers and then develop them to the point that they trash them on the golf course - every one of the teams in that tournament gives athletic scholarships, and with title ix, women's golf scholarships are becoming pretty significant...i've heard of 14 handicap players getting $5-7K per year from some d1 and d2 programs...a 14 handicap player might not even make the varsity at mu

Actually, I think that the PGM school at Methodist gives an incredible advantage to the program, the only appoved PGM of its kind in D3.  Methodist is bound by D3 rules, but these players are highly motivated to come to the program.  I would expect the coaching to be outstanding.  Isn't a course in Professional marketing of golfing skills one on the areas covered by the curricula?

I understand that D3's can get great players.  You will remember that McMurry's Brittany Cary (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0304/40526womengolf-aoy.htm) was the 2004 D3 Women's National Medalist.

I just wish that we had a PGM course of study at McMurry. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 27, 2007, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 12:34:42 AMActually, I think that the PGM school at Methodist gives an incredible advantage to the program, the only appoved PGM of its kind in D3.  Methodist is bound by D3 rules, but these players are highly motivated to come to the program.  I would expect the coaching to be outstanding.  Isn't a course in Professional marketing of golfing skills one on the areas covered by the curricula?

I understand that D3's can get great players.  You will remember that McMurry's Brittany Cary (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0304/40526womengolf-aoy.htm) was the 2004 D3 Women's National Medalist.
ralph - i think you're missing the point...i'm not comparing mu's women's golf team to other d3's (who they pretty much dominate)...i'm comparing them to d1's - the fact of the matter is that a golfer like katie dick had limited (if any) d1 offers as a high school golfer and just shot a 67 - she and charlotte williams (mu's #1 golfer) could probably beat 1/2 of the d1 golfers in the country, yet they were lightly regarded by those d1's as high schoolers - i will concede that having a pgm program probably helped mu land both of them vs. other d3's - i will also concede that having access to amazing golf facilities has helped their development (although, most d1's spend more time in practice and have similarly impressive facilities), but the fact of the matter is that d1's still hold the ultimate trump card...athletic scholarships - i think you minimize coaching and practice habits of the student-athletes when you imply that mu's success in golf is due so largely to the presence of the pgm program, especially when comparing mu golfers to d1 golfers - if having a pgm program automatically means having a great golf team, someone needs to send that memo to most (if not all) of the other pgm programs in the country - in fact, among other pgm schools, only arizona state (ranked in both men's & women's golf), coastal carolina men (coached by a mu pgm graduate) and clemson men were ranked in golf as of the end of the fall season - if pgm were the primary reason the monarchs are as good as they are, why aren't the other pgm programs better than their respective counterparts?  do you think scholarships and coaching may be factors which even the playing field?

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 12:34:42 AMI just wish that we had a PGM course of study at McMurry. :)
don't hate...emulate :)

last point, which will bring us back to baseball a bit - mu has a fantastic sports management program which has produced a number of graduates who are working in front office positions with major and minor league baseball teams - maybe that explains why they now sit in a first place tie in the usasac...they are able to get great baseball players who are interested in sports management :)

[sarcasm](because coaching and tradition clearly can't be the reason)[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 27, 2007, 08:33:25 PM
the monarchs work their way into the abca poll at #21, and #4 in the south region...i was surprised to see that rhodes was not ranked ahead of the monarchs in either ranking at 24-4 (they didn't get more than one vote)

abca rankings  (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll32607.pdf)

and the monarchs push their record to 19-7 with a 10-6 victory over guilford

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0327.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 28, 2007, 09:50:23 PM
the monarchs get a nice regional win over lynchburg today, 11-8 behind the offense of the two frosh halpin (5-5 with 3 runs) and kivett (3-4, 3 rbi)...as a whole the monarchs pounded out 15 hits - not the best pitching performance of the season, but a win is a win and a regional win is the second best regular season win you can get

game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/lynchburg0328.htm)

last night was the dedication of what is now armstrong-shelley field at mu...check out the photos (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/dedication0328.htm) - the facility isn't quite where it needs to be yet, but it's sure getting their - the lights and entrance are huge improvements

big series with averett this weekend
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 10:02:41 PM
Narch, I looked at what it would take to add a PGM course at McMurry and came up with a $6-8 M price tag to start up and endow a completely new program such as Methodist's which has been organically grown from inside the university.  Getting PGA accreditation would be critical and almost mandatory for a commitment by the university. :)

As for the calibre of golfer that one needs to win the D1 championship versus the calibre of golfer that one needs to win the D3 championship, I would expect those to be different skill sets.  The D1 scholarship golfer wants to win the PGA Championship.

The PGM student (http://www.methodist.edu/pgm/index.htm) wants to be the CEO at the Country Club that hosts the PGA Championship. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 28, 2007, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 10:02:41 PM
Narch, I looked at what it would take to add a PGM course at McMurry and came up with a $6-8 M price tag to start up and endow a completely new program such as Methodist's which has been organically grown from inside the university.  Getting PGA accreditation would be critical and almost mandatory for a commitment by the university. :)
i can assure you that every penny invested in the mu pgm program has been worth it...

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 10:02:41 PMAs for the calibre of golfer that one needs to win the D1 championship versus the calibre of golfer that one needs to win the D3 championship, I would expect those to be different skill sets.  The D1 scholarship golfer wants to win the PGA Championship.

The PGM student wants to be the CEO at the Country Club that hosts the PGA Championship. :)
all the more reason that the recent performance by the mu women's golf team, vs. some big name d1 teams is very impressive :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 29, 2007, 12:58:39 PM
unofficially, the usasac/odac series stands at 37-14, usasac

i've read a couple comments about how young the odac is, as a whole, this year, but i don't think youth is a valid excuse for poor performance...look at what au has done (they're 10-3 vs. the odac) with a roster infused with youth

even the monarchs aren't an upper-class heavy team - of the 11 most regular position players, 5 are freshman or sophomores and 2 of mu's top 3 hitters are freshman...the pitching staff is even more green, with 3 of their top 6 pitchers (as measured by ip) being frosh, 2 of their top 3 starters as sophs and just 1 junior among the top 6 pitchers (and no seniors on the staff)

i personally think the switch to 2 day conference weekends has really helped the usasac compete in these mid-week contests
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 29, 2007, 04:42:58 PM
Quote from: narch on March 29, 2007, 12:58:39 PM
unofficially, the usasac/odac series stands at 37-14, usasac

i've read a couple comments about how young the odac is, as a whole, this year, but i don't think youth is a valid excuse for poor performance...look at what au has done (they're 10-3 vs. the odac) with a roster infused with youth

even the monarchs aren't an upper-class heavy team - of the 11 most regular position players, 5 are freshman or sophomores and 2 of mu's top 3 hitters are freshman...the pitching staff is even more green, with 3 of their top 6 pitchers (as measured by ip) being frosh, 2 of their top 3 starters as sophs and just 1 junior among the top 6 pitchers (and no seniors on the staff)

i personally think the switch to 2 day conference weekends has really helped the usasac compete in these mid-week contests

Narch you could be any further from the truth about the 2 game conference weekend games.  I have talke to all the Dixie Conference coaches (but averett and SU) about this that and they all agree about the two games instead of the 3 games being the main reason. 
Though I think the odac is having a down year this year but I think the conference schedule going back to the old way has helped also.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on March 31, 2007, 09:58:11 PM
anxiously awaiting mu/au results...the 7 pm start made it impossible for me to make the game and waiting for a score is killing me

here's an article (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=258674) on matt hunt from the fayetteville observer...enjoy
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on March 31, 2007, 11:29:18 PM
Averett 15, Methodist 3.

Back at it tomorrow for both teams.

CNU beat Ferrum, 3-1. Shenandoah beat Greensboro, 8-6 in 11.

USA Dixie standings as of right now: CNU 6-3, Averett 5-4, Methodist 5-4, Ferrum 5-4, NC Wesleyan 5-5, Shenandoah 4-5, Greensboro 3-8,
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 01, 2007, 10:44:05 AM
mu/au game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/averett0331.htm) and box score...ugly for the monarchs...they've got to salvage a split today
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 01, 2007, 02:39:42 PM
Did Averett win that game by run rule or something?

There's a run rule in D-III? I didn't know that? Whats the rule?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 01, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
D-III doesn't have a run rule...the Dixie Conference might, I guess...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 01, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
could have been a time deal...the game didn't start until 7 pm
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 01, 2007, 05:37:17 PM
the  monarchs salvage the split today, winning 6-5...looks like au was their own worst enemy, with 5 errors and 4 unearned runs - toth went the distance, saving the staff for the vwc match-up on tuesday

3 way tie at the top of the usasac with fc, cnu and mu all at 6-4

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0401.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 02, 2007, 12:18:53 AM
Quote from: narch on April 01, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
could have been a time deal...the game didn't start until 7 pm

Don't they have lights? If they started at 7 with no lights, they couldn't have played as long as they did.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 02, 2007, 01:59:50 AM
15-3, thats a beating. Both teams might have agreed to cut it to save pitching or something.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 02, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
i found out that the usasac does have a "mercy rule"...it's 12 runs after 7 innings - apparently the monarchs were doing everything possible to score a run in the bottom of the 7th to extend the game...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 03, 2007, 08:35:41 PM
the monarchs improve to 22-8 with a 6-2 win over vwc - bisplinghoff goes 7 giving up 1 er - game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/vawesleyan0403.htm) - in vwc's defense, they threw a kid making just his 2nd start of the season since they have a conference game vs. rmc on wednesday then 2 against piedmont following that game...see what happens when you throw your #5 vs. another team's #3 :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: VW-16 on April 03, 2007, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: narch on April 03, 2007, 08:35:41 PM
the monarchs improve to 22-8 with a 6-2 win over vwc - bisplinghoff goes 7 giving up 1 er - game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/vawesleyan0403.htm) - in vwc's defense, they threw a kid making just his 2nd start of the season since they have a conference game vs. rmc on wednesday then 2 against piedmont following that game...see what happens when you throw your #5 vs. another team's #3 :)
The pitching match up does not lend any excuse for losing the game. First off, I think the young kid for VWC threw a decent game. Defensive mistakes cannot happen with a young guy on the mound. After the error in the second...walk, single, walk, double which ended up being the game. One bright spot is David Imperato had another good outing. If his stamina builds up the whole outlook can change for VWC down the stretch. Congrats to Methodist for taking care of business on the road.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 03, 2007, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: VW-16 on April 03, 2007, 10:18:44 PMThe pitching match up does not lend any excuse for losing the game. First off, I think the young kid for VWC threw a decent game. Defensive mistakes cannot happen with a young guy on the mound. After the error in the second...walk, single, walk, double which ended up being the game.
6 ip, 5 hits, 5 r, 4 er, 4 bb, 2k...not terrible, but not a very good line, either, especially the walks - were the walks in the 2nd inning intentional?

reading the play-by-play, i'm not sure why any of the runs were unearned, though...it's feasible to think that the runner who advanced to 3rd on the error by the catcher could have scored from second on a single, and if he didn't he could have scored on the walk to the next batter (you can't assume an out if the batter was walked intentionally) - unless the scorer determined that russell would have been out without the error...in which case the last run should have been unearned, as well, since the kivett ground out would have ended the inning - am i right or am i missing something?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SU97 on April 03, 2007, 11:18:25 PM
Narch - looking forward to catching the SU-MU game friday night up here.

I think you've made a great point a couple of times on here that with the elimination of the 3 game series for the USASAC schools it allows them to compete better in out-of-conference play.  With every USASAC team above .500, I would say it seems to be playing out as expected.  

However, I think that the by-product is now a crazy mad dash to the conf. tournament...  with the 3 game series you had enough games to really distinguish/seperate the schools.  Now we are looking at 3 teams tied for first while 2 others are a game back.  It really makes every series important, there's no longer a third game to "recover" after a single loss.  

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 04, 2007, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: SU97 on April 03, 2007, 11:18:25 PM
Narch - looking forward to catching the SU-MU game friday night up here.

I think you've made a great point a couple of times on here that with the elimination of the 3 game series for the USASAC schools it allows them to compete better in out-of-conference play.  With every USASAC team above .500, I would say it seems to be playing out as expected. 

However, I think that the by-product is now a crazy mad dash to the conf. tournament...  with the 3 game series you had enough games to really distinguish/seperate the schools.  Now we are looking at 3 teams tied for first while 2 others are a game back.  It really makes every series important, there's no longer a third game to "recover" after a single loss.   

great point re: the crazy mad dash - this weekend is big for all teams involved, with only gc and su eliminated from the fight for the #1 seed

if the monarchs can take 2 (easier said than done), they get the #1 seed regardless of what happens with cnu, fc, ncwc or au...i'll be rooting for at least 3 splits this weekend (i'd prefer 2 splits and a monarch sweep, but i'm not greedy) since the monarchs own the tie-breaker against the captains and panthers

if i'm calculating correctly, the only way the monarchs can NOT be the #1 seed with a split this weekend is if cnu and/or fc sweep or if averett sweeps ferrum, and ncwc sweeps cnu...this would make all three teams (au, ncwc and mu) 7-5 and give au the tie-breaker by virtue of their 3-1 record vs. ncwc and mu - if averett sweeps and ncwc/cnu split along with a mu split, au and mu would be tied, and mu would win the tie-break by virtue of their sweep over cnu

either way, i think the monarchs are the only team that controls their own destiny...

i could be wrong, though :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 05, 2007, 10:21:42 AM
NCWC beat #15 Divsion 2 team Mount Olive yesterday 10-9 in 10 innings.  Good win for the Bishops hopefully this will carry over to the weekend series against CNU. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 05, 2007, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 05, 2007, 10:21:42 AM
Good win for the Bishops
i'd say that's a good win, too...great job bishops...now let that carry over to a split vs. cnu :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 05, 2007, 01:22:54 PM
Great job NCWC.  Keep the bats hot this weekend and thru to turney.  Big weekend for the USAS...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: redbird5 on April 06, 2007, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: narch on April 03, 2007, 08:35:41 PM
the monarchs improve to 22-8 with a 6-2 win over vwc - bisplinghoff goes 7 giving up 1 er - game story and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/vawesleyan0403.htm) - in vwc's defense, they threw a kid making just his 2nd start of the season since they have a conference game vs. rmc on wednesday then 2 against piedmont following that game...see what happens when you throw your #5 vs. another team's #3 :)

Methodist got the timely hits and VWC did not.  Congrats to Methodist.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 06, 2007, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: redbird5 on April 06, 2007, 02:30:36 PM
Methodist got the timely hits and VWC did not.  Congrats to Methodist.

timely hits = winning baseball
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 06, 2007, 04:59:43 PM
au beats ferrum and su beats mu (4-0)...the monarchs got 2 hit

box score (http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/040607.htm#GAME.NCA)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 06, 2007, 07:20:28 PM
NCWC takes one from CNU...the conf. records are crazy right now
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 06, 2007, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 06, 2007, 07:20:28 PM
NCWC takes one from CNU...the conf. records are crazy right now
sweet...now if the monarchs & capts can win on saturday, the monarchs get the #1 seed (mu would hold the tie-break if it's a 3 way tie with au, mu and cnu)

go monarchs! go capts! :)

a 5 way tie for first with one to play in a 7 team league...crazy is right
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: D-BAT on April 07, 2007, 08:48:56 PM
Thursday, April 12
Game 1 # 7 Greensboro vs. # 6 Shenandoah 9:30 a.m.

Game 2 # 4 Averett vs. # 3 N.C. Wesleyan 1:00 p.m.

Game 3 # 5 Christopher Newport vs. # 2 Ferrum 4:30 p.m.

Game 4 Winner of Game # 1 vs. # 1 Methodist 8:00 p.m.


Friday, April 13
Game 5 Winner of Game # 2 vs. Winner of Game # 3 9:00 a.m.

Game 6 Loser of Game # 1 vs. Loser of Game # 2 12:00 p.m. @
Graham H.S.

Game 7 Loser of Game # 3 vs. Loser of Game # 4 12:30 p.m.

Game 8 Winner of Game # 6 vs. Winner of Game # 7 4:00 p.m.


Saturday, April 14
Game 9 Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5 12:00 p.m.

Game 10 Loser of Game #5 vs. Winner of Game #8 3:30 p.m.

Game 11 Winner of Game #10 vs. Loser of Game #9 7:00 p.m.

Sunday, April 15
Game 12 Winner of Game #9 vs. Winner of Game # 11 12:00 p.m.

Game 13 same teams as Game #12 (if necessary) 4:00 p.m.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 09:18:50 PM
Wild last day in Dixie!

Ferrum beat Averett 12-4, throwing up 8 runs in the first 3 innings and benefitting from homestanding Averett's 7 errors.

Danville native Brett Thomas went 3-for-5 with a HR and 3 RBIs to lead Ferrum.

NC Wesleyan extended CNU's losing streak to 5 games with a 6-1 win.

Methodist got 2 in the 8th and 7 in the 9th to take an 11-4 win from Shenandoah after trailing by 2 runs after 7. Shenandoah used 8 pitchers for naught in the effort, 7 after the 5th.

Methodist has a big advantage in the format. they play the winner of Shen/GBoro in the final game of Day 1 and if they win, won't play on Day 2 at all. Still, every team should have the pitching to potentially get through the first couple days.

Btw, is CNU's Kyle Baumann injured? Does anyone know. He started and threw like 1 inning against Methodist and hasn't thrown since.

If Baumann's OK and can be the #2 starter, I really like CNU to give Methodist all they want. If he can't, I still think CNU could do well, but isn't as dangerous as if he were. If Methodist gets to the final in good shape, I'm not sure anyone will have the pitching to win 2 from them if CNU doesn't have Baumann. Ferrum will probably slug their way deep into the tournament but don't see them having quite enough to win it. NCWC has a really good #2 starter but their #1's been having trouble getting wins; Averett is just the opposite.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 07, 2007, 09:44:35 PM
another regular season championship for mu and tom austin...a great "rebuilding" season after losing their top 3 pitchers from last year and then losing their opening day starter after opening day...not many teams could lose the top 4 pitchers from a conference championship team and repeat the next year...especially in a conference this tough - the entire pitching staff, especially toth, kelly, bisplinghoff and geisinger really stepped up for the monarchs, and toth has now thrown 2 straight complete games even though he hasn't had his best stuff...those are big at this juncture

the monarchs have now won 5 of the last 7 regular season championships...but they've only won 1 conference tournament as the #1 seed (and that was in 1996)...i hope they can break the trend - i like their pitching depth if kelly can get back on track - as the regular season has shown, though, this tournament is completely up for grabs...any of the 7 teams have a legit shot to win this thing...should be fun!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 10:00:55 PM
Agreed...wish I could be there.

Methodist is a class program, always has been. Wish they and Marietta could play a neutral site game or something at some point.

Maybe Piedmont will extend their current trend of inviting teams there early in the season and have a sort of invitational where teams come to play Piedmont, but also other clubs in an extended weekend round robin type deal. Marietta did that with Bridgewater this year (only it was only a 3 game weekend for Marietta -- Sat and Sun), it would be great to see more good games between the two sides of the South region, as well as from teams heading back north there. Good facility, pretty good weather, neutral site, hopefully a similar number of games to create an even playing field.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 08, 2007, 01:18:01 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on April 07, 2007, 08:48:56 PM
Thursday, April 12
Game 1 # 7 Greensboro vs. # 6 Shenandoah 9:30 a.m.

Game 2 # 4 Averett vs. # 3 N.C. Wesleyan 1:00 p.m.

Game 3 # 5 Christopher Newport vs. # 2 Ferrum 4:30 p.m.

Game 4 Winner of Game # 1 vs. # 1 Methodist 8:00 p.m.


Friday, April 13
Game 5 Winner of Game # 2 vs. Winner of Game # 3 9:00 a.m.

Game 6 Loser of Game # 1 vs. Loser of Game # 2 12:00 p.m. @
Graham H.S.

Game 7 Loser of Game # 3 vs. Loser of Game # 4 12:30 p.m.

Game 8 Winner of Game # 6 vs. Winner of Game # 7 4:00 p.m.


Saturday, April 14
Game 9 Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5 12:00 p.m.

Game 10 Loser of Game #5 vs. Winner of Game #8 3:30 p.m.

Game 11 Winner of Game #10 vs. Loser of Game #9 7:00 p.m.

Sunday, April 15
Game 12 Winner of Game #9 vs. Winner of Game # 11 12:00 p.m.

Game 13 same teams as Game #12 (if necessary) 4:00 p.m.


Is this official?......or???
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 08, 2007, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: George Foster on April 08, 2007, 01:18:01 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on April 07, 2007, 08:48:56 PM
Thursday, April 12
Game 1 # 7 Greensboro vs. # 6 Shenandoah 9:30 a.m.

Game 2 # 4 Averett vs. # 3 N.C. Wesleyan 1:00 p.m.

Game 3 # 5 Christopher Newport vs. # 2 Ferrum 4:30 p.m.

Game 4 Winner of Game # 1 vs. # 1 Methodist 8:00 p.m.


Friday, April 13
Game 5 Winner of Game # 2 vs. Winner of Game # 3 9:00 a.m.

Game 6 Loser of Game # 1 vs. Loser of Game # 2 12:00 p.m. @
Graham H.S.

Game 7 Loser of Game # 3 vs. Loser of Game # 4 12:30 p.m.

Game 8 Winner of Game # 6 vs. Winner of Game # 7 4:00 p.m.


Saturday, April 14
Game 9 Winner of Game #4 vs. Winner of Game #5 12:00 p.m.

Game 10 Loser of Game #5 vs. Winner of Game #8 3:30 p.m.

Game 11 Winner of Game #10 vs. Loser of Game #9 7:00 p.m.

Sunday, April 15
Game 12 Winner of Game #9 vs. Winner of Game # 11 12:00 p.m.

Game 13 same teams as Game #12 (if necessary) 4:00 p.m.


Is this official?......or???

yes and at  at Burlington, N.C. (Burlington Stadium)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 01:09:33 PM
Tidbit about Burlington Athletic Stadium.

It's a classic WWII era stadium that was originally the home of the Danville Leafs. The Danville Leafs didn't play in Burlington, you say? Correct.

When the Giants headed west, that spelled the beginning of the end of the Leafs, which closed up shop in 1958. The city of Burlington bought the stadium, tore it down, and rebuilt it in its entirety where it currently sits in Burlington. Of course there have been some updates (aluminum seating). I can't imagine there are too many stadiums that are 60+ years old that aren't where they were originally built!

It's also got some of the best concession options anywhere, though not sure all of those will be available for this. Cheerwine, Sundrop, BBQ of course.

For any media types that might be headed there that don't usually go, the press box is fairly small and on top of the roof lol. If you get a thunderstorm, be forewarned...it is not watertight haha! I thought I was going to blow off the darned thing and die on impact somewhere between the pitcher's mound and first-base line one night. Honestly, if you don't need immediate Internet connectivity, I'd sit on field level. It's covered and you're close to the action.

I really can't think of a better place to have this tournament. I'm jealous of anyone that is there because I can't be. Just a great old ballpark for what should be a great tournament.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2007, 03:53:17 PM
Is there a three way tie for first ( reg. season champs)? Or does the tiebreaker come down to has the most school officials involved in the USAS and NCAA?  Runs for or runs against?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 04:11:49 PM
Yep, most school officials on committees it is.

Of course not.

They all went 1-1 against each other, so I'm guessing Methodist got it based on record against Christopher Newport and Averett (3-1 vs. 2-2 for the other teams).

I don't know how they would have differentiated between Ferrum and NCWC. They both had the same combined record against CNU and Averett, as well Shenandoah and Greensboro. So it could be that they broke the Averett/CNU tie, and then Ferrum got it based on their win over Averett, where NCWC got swept by AU.

If that's not it...I have no idea what it is.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: D-BAT on April 08, 2007, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 08, 2007, 03:53:17 PM
Is there a three way tie for first ( reg. season champs)? Or does the tiebreaker come down to has the most school officials involved in the USAS and NCAA?  Runs for or runs against?  Anyone know?


It's Head to Head, then it's won/loss record vs. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th ... so on ...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 08, 2007, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 08, 2007, 01:09:33 PM
Tidbit about Burlington Athletic Stadium.

It's a classic WWII era stadium that was originally the home of the Danville Leafs. The Danville Leafs didn't play in Burlington, you say? Correct.

When the Giants headed west, that spelled the beginning of the end of the Leafs, which closed up shop in 1958. The city of Burlington bought the stadium, tore it down, and rebuilt it in its entirety where it currently sits in Burlington. Of course there have been some updates (aluminum seating). I can't imagine there are too many stadiums that are 60+ years old that aren't where they were originally built!

It's also got some of the best concession options anywhere, though not sure all of those will be available for this. Cheerwine, Sundrop, BBQ of course.

For any media types that might be headed there that don't usually go, the press box is fairly small and on top of the roof lol. If you get a thunderstorm, be forewarned...it is not watertight haha! I thought I was going to blow off the darned thing and die on impact somewhere between the pitcher's mound and first-base line one night. Honestly, if you don't need immediate Internet connectivity, I'd sit on field level. It's covered and you're close to the action.

I really can't think of a better place to have this tournament. I'm jealous of anyone that is there because I can't be. Just a great old ballpark for what should be a great tournament.

Yeah an old ballpark, with 1 inch rusty nails hanging out of some of the signs in the outfield. It's nice but the Tourney would be better if held at Elon. I'm sure that would be a problem with Elon still playing and all but I'm just saying that field isn't that great.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on April 08, 2007, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 08, 2007, 03:53:17 PM
Is there a three way tie for first ( reg. season champs)? Or does the tiebreaker come down to has the most school officials involved in the USAS and NCAA?  Runs for or runs against?  Anyone know?


It's Head to Head, then it's won/loss record vs. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th ... so on ...

I think the point was that that's kind of hard when there's a 3 way tie for first, then a tie for 4th after the top 3. So there was no 2nd, 3rd or 5th.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
Maybe the conference will sponsor pre-tournament tetanus shots? :)

I didn't know that about the fences...I just knew the infield usually plays pretty true (at least in the summer) and it's a good place to watch a game.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 08, 2007, 08:51:30 PM
here's how the tie-break worked out

mu, fc and ncwc were all 2-2 vs. the other teams tied for 1st, so there was no breaking the tie with head-to-head among the 3 teams

au and cnu were tied for 2nd, and head-to-head records were compared
ncwc went 1-3 vs. cnu & au
fc went 2-2 vs. cnu & au
mu went 3-1 vs. cnu & au

mu #1 seed, fc #2 seed, ncwc #3 seed

au and cnu were seeded according to their records against the top 3 (since they were 1-1 vs. each other) - au was 4-2 vs. ncwc/fc/mu while cnu was 2-4

au #4 seed, cnu #5 seed

su is #6 because they were 5-7 in conference and gc is #7 because they were 4-8 in conference

easy enough?  no conspiracy needed, just simple understanding of standard tie-breaking procedures :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 08, 2007, 10:55:59 PM
NCWC was also 2-2 against AU and CNU, sweeping CNU and getting the broom from Averett. So the tie with Ferrum wasn't resolved with that, which is why I guessed what I did.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: redbird5 on April 08, 2007, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: narch on April 06, 2007, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: redbird5 on April 06, 2007, 02:30:36 PM
Methodist got the timely hits and VWC did not.  Congrats to Methodist.

timely hits = winning baseball

You are correct.  (That's why I mentioned it) ;-)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: D-BAT on April 09, 2007, 08:43:26 AM
Is there another conference in the country where 1 thru 7 could win the conference tournament ?

This thing is "wide" open !
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 09, 2007, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 08, 2007, 04:11:49 PM
They all went 1-1 against each other, so I'm guessing Methodist got it based on record against Christopher Newport and Averett (3-1 vs. 2-2 for the other teams).

I don't know how they would have differentiated between Ferrum and NCWC. They both had the same combined record against CNU and Averett, as well Shenandoah and Greensboro. So it could be that they broke the Averett/CNU tie, and then Ferrum got it based on their win over Averett, where NCWC got swept by AU.

If that's not it...I have no idea what it is.

Sound reasoning.  I know that at the end of most tiebreakers is a coin flip when two teams are equaly in every other criteria.  If there are three - maybe rock paper scissors.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2007, 08:59:02 AM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 09, 2007, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 08, 2007, 04:11:49 PM
They all went 1-1 against each other, so I'm guessing Methodist got it based on record against Christopher Newport and Averett (3-1 vs. 2-2 for the other teams).

I don't know how they would have differentiated between Ferrum and NCWC. They both had the same combined record against CNU and Averett, as well Shenandoah and Greensboro. So it could be that they broke the Averett/CNU tie, and then Ferrum got it based on their win over Averett, where NCWC got swept by AU.

If that's not it...I have no idea what it is.

Sound reasoning.  I know that at the end of most tiebreakers is a coin flip when two teams are equaly in every other criteria.  If there are three - maybe rock paper scissors.
Make sure you choose rock and throw it at the guy!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 09, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
Hey everyone-

Its been a while.  I am trying to keep busy this spring and trying to enjoy the outdoors more than my computer.  So why is every spring conference tournament being played in Burlington, NC? To me it makes some sense Burlington is such a destination. I think anyone from Newport News can enjoy the fun and exciting city of Burlington. (I know there are some fields and such there to play games)  Burlington needs to get a basketball court too that way we can have the conference tournament there too.

I know one thing is certain no spring sport in this conference will ever played too far north, just because we don't want it to snow during the tournament, plus busing teams with more players will cost the schools even more money in hotel costs.

Why do they have to be at all the same places.  I am sure Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Greensboro or Fayetteville must have some some decent places and more things to do for the more parents that will be there.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 09, 2007, 02:00:58 PM
psbbg - it was done for the first time last year, and from everything i've heard the city of burlington treated folks well, and the tournaments all were fantastic - the biggest thing that i heard was that attendance was up because teams could go root each other on...the softball team went to lax games and baseball games, the baseball team to tennis matches, etc. - i heard the atmosphere was great and the facilities were solid

while burlington isn't raleigh or fayetteville or winston-salem or greensboro, i'm sure it didn't come with the price tag those places do, either
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 09, 2007, 03:08:28 PM
I think its ok though.  It has its perks when they are all together.  I didn't go last year, but I am sure as fans outside of the sports and not holding favorites towards any, you'd be charged to see each different event. I am not going to be charges 5 bucks an event.  Now unless there is flat fee for all the events then it isn't a problem.

If the attendance was up then why don't they move the basketball tournaments much closer.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 09, 2007, 04:12:25 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 09, 2007, 03:08:28 PMIf the attendance was up then why don't they move the basketball tournaments much closer.

Quote from: narch on April 09, 2007, 02:00:58 PMattendance was up because teams could go root each other on...the softball team went to lax games and baseball games, the baseball team to tennis matches, etc.

i don't think that any usasac tournament is going to draw much of a crowd beyond parents of players and a handful of former players that might be in the area, although you're much more likely to draw a local "walk up" crowd if you've got multiple sports to draw than you are with a single event (ie: basketball) - the basketball tournament will not be held on a neutral site in our lifetime...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 09, 2007, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 09, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
Hey everyone-

Its been a while.  I am trying to keep busy this spring and trying to enjoy the outdoors more than my computer.  So why is every spring conference tournament being played in Burlington, NC? To me it makes some sense Burlington is such a destination. I think anyone from Newport News can enjoy the fun and exciting city of Burlington. (I know there are some fields and such there to play games)  Burlington needs to get a basketball court too that way we can have the conference tournament there too.

I know one thing is certain no spring sport in this conference will ever played too far north, just because we don't want it to snow during the tournament, plus busing teams with more players will cost the schools even more money in hotel costs.

Why do they have to be at all the same places.  I am sure Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Greensboro or Fayetteville must have some some decent places and more things to do for the more parents that will be there.

It has been other places. I know it's been in Danville, and I thought it had been in Greensboro. Burlington's probably the closest thing to a central location other than Danville, which I thought was a really good place to have it, not that Burlington isn't.

IMO, the ideal place to have pretty much any conference tournament is at the site of the highest seed that has a passable facility to host it. That's where you're going to get the best attendance without giving someone an unfair advantage.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SU97 on April 09, 2007, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 09, 2007, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 09, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
Hey everyone-

Its been a while.  I am trying to keep busy this spring and trying to enjoy the outdoors more than my computer.  So why is every spring conference tournament being played in Burlington, NC? To me it makes some sense Burlington is such a destination. I think anyone from Newport News can enjoy the fun and exciting city of Burlington. (I know there are some fields and such there to play games)  Burlington needs to get a basketball court too that way we can have the conference tournament there too.

I know one thing is certain no spring sport in this conference will ever played too far north, just because we don't want it to snow during the tournament, plus busing teams with more players will cost the schools even more money in hotel costs.

Why do they have to be at all the same places.  I am sure Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Greensboro or Fayetteville must have some some decent places and more things to do for the more parents that will be there.

It has been other places. I know it's been in Danville, and I thought it had been in Greensboro. Burlington's probably the closest thing to a central location other than Danville, which I thought was a really good place to have it, not that Burlington isn't.

IMO, the ideal place to have pretty much any conference tournament is at the site of the highest seed that has a passable facility to host it. That's where you're going to get the best attendance without giving someone an unfair advantage.

Narch - didn't we cover this on the basketball board a month ago?  What was it, Ferrum or Emporia VA ?  ;D

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 09, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
What, the parking lot at Sadler's? :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 09, 2007, 09:34:20 PM
Quote from: SU97 on April 09, 2007, 07:47:06 PMNarch - didn't we cover this on the basketball board a month ago?  What was it, Ferrum or Emporia VA ?  ;D

Quote from: SU97turn left at the end of the earth...
that's not specific enough, 'cause it could be either ferrum OR emporia...either way, you won't catch me hanging around either place for longer than it takes to get gas...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 09, 2007, 11:19:45 PM
Danville is too big time for the conference tournament....
I think Burlington is the perfect fit and the whole everyone can go watch the games thing w/out getting on an interstate is great....maybe they can move it to fleming stadium in wilson  ;).....Robertson is expected back this weekend....pecora is back in a big way....rice is on track....bennyp is dealing...batts can do it all as long as he doesnt try to hard...hope he reads this.....wooten and smith power and avg......its almost the same team as last year


First step is Averett
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 10, 2007, 01:31:54 PM
the monarchs have moved up to #18 in the abca poll (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll41007.pdf), and are #3 in the region


emory (26-4), which beat mu in 2 one-run contests earlier in the season is ranked 3rd/1st in the region
salisbury (22-5) is ranked 9th/2nd in the region and is a future opponent for the monarchs
york (20-5) is ranked 23rd/T4th in the region is also a future opponent for the monarchs
rhodes (30-4), who beat mu 6-1 earlier in the year, finally got in at #30
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: D-BAT on April 10, 2007, 02:54:45 PM
USA-South All Conference selections are schedule for this week ...

I'm going to say this ...

Player of the Year : Brett Thomas of Ferrum

Rookie of the Year : Eric Sibrizzi of Averett

Coach of the Year : Ed Fulton of Averett

Pitcher of the Year : Ahmed Shelton of Averett


30 wins will get you a lot of post season awards !
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 10, 2007, 09:12:52 PM
Heh you wouldn't happen to be from Danville would you? Three Averett guys and the one from Ferrum that's a GW grad!

There are other candidates for POY and ROY, but you wouldn't go far wrong picking the guys you picked. Anderson (Shen) and Pearson (NCWC) I think could get one or the other.

And Shelton could be the rookie over his own teammate...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 10, 2007, 09:46:58 PM
my initial thought was that kivett might have a shot at roty, but his overall and conference only numbers aren't as impressive as the kid from au...that being said, i really like kivett's game and i think he is going to be an outstanding player for the next 3+ years for the monarchs
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 11, 2007, 08:57:44 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on April 10, 2007, 02:54:45 PM
USA-South All Conference selections are schedule for this week ...

I'm going to say this ...

Player of the Year : Brett Thomas of Ferrum

Rookie of the Year : Eric Sibrizzi of Averett

Coach of the Year : Ed Fulton of Averett

Pitcher of the Year : Ahmed Shelton of Averett


30 wins will get you a lot of post season awards !




Thats probably dead nuts...Shelton would pick up rookie pitcher of the year to
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 09:18:49 AM
Rookie Pitcher of the Year- Shelton AU

Pitcher of the Year- Pearson NCWC

Player of the Year- Thomas FC

Rookie of the Year- Van Dusseldorp (Same numbers as Sibrizzi but in ten less games)

Coach of the Year- Fulton AU

Remember- AU has played 8 or more games then everybody else, naturally there players will have better numbers
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 11, 2007, 10:42:57 AM
Some of you may already know this and for those that don't now you will.

Here are the costs for the games this weekend.

"Spectators can buy a "value pass," which allows entry to all USAS sporting events through Sunday, for just $10. Day Passes are $6 and single game admission is $3. Children under 6 are free."


I plan on being there this weekend.  I think most of my time will be spent watching lacrosse.  It is the official team sport of my home state and it is a great game. (Something you southerners have yet to really embrace.) Although women's lacrosse isn't as physical as the men's counterpart, it is still an enjoyable sport to watch.

Maybe I will see some of you around.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2007, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 09:18:49 AM
Rookie Pitcher of the Year- Shelton AU
agreed, wholeheartedly

Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 09:18:49 AMPitcher of the Year- Pearson NCWC
tough call between he and shelton - here are their lines for conference games...

Player eraw-l app-gs cg sho ip h er bb sob/avg
PEARSON, NCWBB1.074-0 6-6 3 0/0 50.143 6 9 28.225
SHELTON, A., AUB2.29 5-0 6-6 5 1/0 51.0 3713 20 23.206
i tend to think pearson will get the award, because the coaches will say "shelton gets the rookie pitcher award, so someone else should get the pithcher oty award", but i don't think you can go wrong with either

Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 09:18:49 AMPlayer of the Year- Thomas FC
no argument there, either...he hit .353 with 12 r, 3 hr, 17 rbi and 5 sb in conference games (all of those numbers, except average, were among the top 3 in conference only games)

Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 09:18:49 AMRookie of the Year- Van Dusseldorp (Same numbers as Sibrizzi but in ten less games)
in conference games (which are the only thing that should matter, if you ask me), sibrizzi outpaced van dusseldorp, hitting .370 with 9 runs, 9 rbi and 1 sb compared to .308 with 4 runs, 1 hr, 5 rbi and 1 sb

Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 09:18:49 AMCoach of the Year- Fulton AU
clearly this will be the choice, but i think tom austin should get some serious consideration...picked 4th in the pre-season poll and losing the top 4 pitchers from a conference championship team to...another conference championship and #18 in the country - i think it's easier to go from being bad to being a solid team than it is to do what coach austin has done - take the top 4 pitchers off au's roster next year, and see where they end up
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Narch,

I think stats for the whole year are used for All-Conference Selections
I wish only conference stats, where used so you can have an even comparison

BTW,
forgot to add

Relief Pitcher of the Year- Geisinger Methodist University
22 Apearances in 32 games, as a freshman WOW


Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2007, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Narch,

I think stats for the whole year are used for All-Conference Selections
I wish only conference stats, where used so you can have an even comparison

if i'm not mistaken, both sets of stats are provided to coaches/sid's...how they use that info varies, but i think conference only numbers are even more critical in baseball than they are in the other sports because of the disparity in games played at the time of the selections

and i agree on geisinger...he's been pretty valuable to the monarchs all season long
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 11, 2007, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: narch on April 11, 2007, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Narch,

I think stats for the whole year are used for All-Conference Selections
I wish only conference stats, where used so you can have an even comparison

if i'm not mistaken, both sets of stats are provided to coaches/sid's...how they use that info varies, but i think conference only numbers are even more critical in baseball than they are in the other sports because of the disparity in games played at the time of the selections

I believe you are right, but since they vote for them as well, it really might come down to their choice.  If you recall the POTY for basketball last season didn't even start playing until conference play for the most part (12 of his 17 games were all conference games.) There were 12 conference games last season and 13 non-conference games for greensboro last season.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: mustang19 on April 11, 2007, 01:00:17 PM
All conf awards:
POY.....Brett Thomas FC
Pitcher of Yr....Ahmed Shelton AU
ROY.....Eric Sibrizzi AU
COY.....Ed Fulton AU
RPOY...Lincoln Garner FC
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 01:28:17 PM
 First Team All-Conference
1B - Mark Wooten, N.C. Wesleyan
2B - Eric Sibrizzi, Averett
3B - Brett Thomas, Ferrum
SS - David Jenkins, Shenandoah
C - Justin Batts, N.C. Wesleyan
DH - Adam Kessel, Shenandoah
Util - Pat Burgess, Greensboro
OF - Matt Smith, N.C. Wesleyan
       Ryan Anderson, Shenandoah
       Kyle Bolick, Greensboro
P - Ahmed Shelton, Averett
     Kenny Moreland, Christopher Newport
RP - Brian Bowles, Ferrum

Player of the Year: Brett Thomas, Ferrum
Pitcher of the Year: Ahmed Shelton, Averett
Rookie of the Year: Eric Sibrizzi, Averett
Rookie Pitcher of the Year: Lincoln Garner, Ferrum
Coach of the Year: Ed Fulton, Averett

Second Team All-Conference
1B - Joey Garry, Averett
2B - Wes Means, N.C. Wesleyan
3B - Seth Kivett, Methodist
SS - Trae Bailey, Christopher Newport
C - Nick Baker, Ferrum
DH - Pierce Steinruck, Averett
Util - Ryan Cooper, Ferrum
OF - Matt Gammon, Ferrum
       Brent Sowers, Ferrum
       T. J. Bray, Averett
P - Ben Pearson, N.C. Wesleyan
     Chris Toth, Methodist
RP - Kevin Moreland, Christopher Newport

Honorable Mention All-Conference
1B -  Ryan McDougal, Christopher Newport
2B -  Dan Ziccardy, Shenandoah
3B -  James Hone, Greensboro
SS - Scott Russell, Methodist
C - Taylor Kennedy, Greensboro
DH - Parker Neal, Christopher Newport
OF - Luke Williford, N.C. Wesleyan
        Mike Giarrizzi, Christopher Newport
        Brad Davis, Methodist
P - Jimmy Holm, Ferrum
     Taylor DuFrene, Shenandoah
RP - Fred Geisinger, Methodist
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2007, 02:40:10 PM
clearly, tom austin should have been coach of the year...he doesn't have nearly the talent that fulton does at au (2 first-teamers and 3 second teamers), yet he was somehow able to guide his team to a #18 national ranking, another conference championship and the #1 seed in the tournament :) [/mild sarcasm]

mu was the only team without a 1st teamer...fc led the way with 7 all-conference players, ncwc and cnu had 6, mu/au/su each had 5 and gc had 4...interesting

i hadn't even thought of garner for rpoty, but he had a very solid year

[edit] after looking at the numbers, garner's year was not as solid as i thought - 4-3 overall with a 4.76 era?...2-3 in conference with a 3.89 era...shelton should have got both awards, or geisinger should have gotten the rpoty






Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 11, 2007, 03:36:35 PM
Well 12 games is not much of a sample size.

Methodist finished 6th in team batting average, 6th in team ERA in conference games. They struck out more often than anyone and were middle of the road in strikeouts on the mound (to be fair, Averett was 2nd to last in this category). They also walked more people than anyone but Shenandoah and their BA against was only one point lower than Shenandoah's (.292).

Averett, Shenandoah and NCWC had higher OBPs than the rest of the conference, with the other 4 teams hovering between .332 and .338.

Methodist was 3-0 in one-run games in the conference; 6-2 in them overall. They had a few blowout losses too (11-4, 11-0, 15-3), so their numbers are naturally not going to look that good. I wouldn't argue with Austin being the COY.

Question is does all of this add up to a Methodist team that overachieved, got lucky in a few games or just knows how to win the close ones?

I guess that's what the tournament is for.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2007, 05:12:05 PM
spence - when you put it like that, it's a miracle that the monarchs won ANY games, let alone the 23 that they did :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 05:32:24 PM
Methodist is a solid team.  They are well coached, play hard, and do the little things.  I bet they could care less that they do not having a first teamer.  As with every team, they want that guaranteed regional bid.

Pitching dept is what seems to win this tournament.  What makes this thing so wide open is that every team has two solid pitchers.  Who ever has the best number 3 and 4 will win.

NCWC and Ferrum pitchers seem to have the most pitching Dept to make a strong run.  Methodist does have a huge advantage being the 1 seed. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 11, 2007, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: narch on April 11, 2007, 05:12:05 PM
spence - when you put it like that, it's a miracle that the monarchs won ANY games, let alone the 23 that they did :)

Well I was just talking about conference games...and if they go 0-3 in those 1 run games rather than 3-0 we're looking at a 7 seed rather than a 1. If Christopher Newport had been 2-0 in 1-run games rather than 0-2, they would have won the conference by a game. That's just how razor thin the margin for error was.

Btw, correction, Methodist is 7-3 overall in 1 run games, 7-1 against teams not named Emory, which is an amazing (and perhaps unsustainable) 11-2 in one-run games.

Even if Methodist were 5-5 in one-run games, they'd still be 21-11, but they might be 5-7 in the conference.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 11, 2007, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 05:32:24 PMNCWC and Ferrum pitchers seem to have the most pitching Dept to make a strong run.  Methodist does have a huge advantage being the 1 seed. 
here are the numbers for ncwc, fc and mu's top 5 and their top reliever

ncwc
rice, 8 starts, 4-3, 3.34, 4 cg, 62 ip, 56k, .254 baa
pearson, 8 starts, 6-1, 1.09, 3 cg, 66.1 ip, 35k, .218 baa
lucas, 6 starts, 4-0, 1.09, 33 ip, 20k, .222 baa
b. moore, 4 starts, 1-4, 6.23, 26 ip, 1 cg, 14k, .321 baa
robertson, 3 starts, 2-0, 0.00, 15.2 ip, 9k, .241 baa
batts, 12 app, 1-3, 3 sv, 5.11, 12.1, 16k, .205 baa

fc
garner, 8 starts, 4-3, 4.76, 56.2 ip, 46k, .281 baa
holm, 8 starts, 5-1, 2.88, 56.1 ip, 30k, .295 baa
cooper, 5 starts, 2-3, 2.96, 3 cg, 45.2 ip, 27k, .289 baa
c. davenport, 4 starts, 1-2, 4.09, 22 ip, 6k, .281 baa
king, 3 starts, 1-0, 2.30, 27.1 ip, 14k, .242 baa
bowles, 11 app, 2-0, 3 sv, 1.14, 23.2, 23k, .212 baa

mu
kelly, 9 starts, 2-5, 3.50, 1 cg, 54 ip, 36k, .263 baa
toth, 9 starts, 6-3, 2.92, 2 cg, 61.2 ip, 36k, .282 baa
bisplinghoff, 8 starts, 5-0, 1.94 era, 46.1 ip, 1 cg, 26 k, .230 baa
jordan, 3 starts, 2-0, 5.13, 26.1 ip, 16k, .287 baa
hill, 1 start, 1-0, 2.25, 16 ip, 13k, .271 baa
geisinger, 22 app, 3-0, 6 sv, 2.41, 33.2, 22k, .292 baa

i think the monarch staff compares favorably with both ncwc and fc's staff...i'd probably give the ncwc the edge over anyone else, primarily because they've got 3 guys at the top of the rotation who can really shut you down, but overall, i think you can throw a  blanket over these three staffs
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 02:32:32 AM
Taking a look at the schedule I wonder if Shenandoah won't try to get by Greensboro with Frelin rather than Dufresne, who shut out Methodist on 2 hits with 14 Ks last weekend. Methodist was only 3-3 in the first game of a conference series. Greensboro's got a pretty decent ace and a good defensive team, but I think it might be worth the risk.

My shot in the dark to win it is NC Wesleyan. Veterans, good pitching depth, and one of the best offenses in the tournament. If Methodist gets upset on Day 1 (which I think has a good chance to happen if they face Dufresne), I go with NC Wesleyan. If Methodist wins on day 1, then I think they have a really good chance to win it. But they're still going to have to come up with something special on the final day either with someone like Greisinger getting a start or by scoring more than they typically do.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: ash on April 12, 2007, 09:14:34 AM
After checking the stats of the catchers who received all-conference awards, I can only wonder how they came up with the order they did.  Granted, I have not actually seen any of the catchers play this year but just basing this on stats alone it seems as if Batts might not of been the one I would have chosen for first team. 

Taylor Kennedy's season stats were a .381 avg and .607 sba%.  His in conference avg was .282 though.  He also has won a first team selection the past two years but was awarded Honorable mention this year.

Nick Baker from Ferrum hit .309 with a .711 sba%.  In conference he hit .342 and was selected to second team.

Justin Batts from NCWC hit .287 with a .870 sba%.  He hit .286 in conference and was selected to first team all conference.


Am I missing something as to why Justin Batts earned first team?  Based on stats alone it appears Baker or Kennedy would be more fit for the first team all conference selection.  I have not studied the stats or anything and I know there are other categories than those I listed that help with the selection, but with a fast glance at the stats I am unsure how they did in fact come up with the selections.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 12, 2007, 12:11:43 PM
Any team that loses their first game will have a tough time winning the tournament.  I am not a fan of coaches saving their ace pitcher for another game.  That tactic always seems to come back and haunt ya.

BTW,

I believe Batts hit 6 homeruns this year and lead all the catcher in RBI's.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 12, 2007, 12:56:36 PM
quote author=narch link=topic=4569.msg706911#msg706911 date=1176342528]
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2007, 05:32:24 PMNCWC and Ferrum pitchers seem to have the most pitching Dept to make a strong run.  Methodist does have a huge advantage being the 1 seed. 
here are the numbers for ncwc, fc and mu's top 5 and their top reliever

ncwc
rice, 8 starts, 4-3, 3.34, 4 cg, 62 ip, 56k, .254 baa
pearson, 8 starts, 6-1, 1.09, 3 cg, 66.1 ip, 35k, .218 baa
lucas, 6 starts, 4-0, 1.09, 33 ip, 20k, .222 baa
b. moore, 4 starts, 1-4, 6.23, 26 ip, 1 cg, 14k, .321 baa
robertson, 3 starts, 2-0, 0.00, 15.2 ip, 9k, .241 baa
batts, 12 app, 1-3, 3 sv, 5.11, 12.1, 16k, .205 baa

fc
garner, 8 starts, 4-3, 4.76, 56.2 ip, 46k, .281 baa
holm, 8 starts, 5-1, 2.88, 56.1 ip, 30k, .295 baa
cooper, 5 starts, 2-3, 2.96, 3 cg, 45.2 ip, 27k, .289 baa
c. davenport, 4 starts, 1-2, 4.09, 22 ip, 6k, .281 baa
king, 3 starts, 1-0, 2.30, 27.1 ip, 14k, .242 baa
bowles, 11 app, 2-0, 3 sv, 1.14, 23.2, 23k, .212 baa

mu
kelly, 9 starts, 2-5, 3.50, 1 cg, 54 ip, 36k, .263 baa
toth, 9 starts, 6-3, 2.92, 2 cg, 61.2 ip, 36k, .282 baa
bisplinghoff, 8 starts, 5-0, 1.94 era, 46.1 ip, 1 cg, 26 k, .230 baa
jordan, 3 starts, 2-0, 5.13, 26.1 ip, 16k, .287 baa
hill, 1 start, 1-0, 2.25, 16 ip, 13k, .271 baa
geisinger, 22 app, 3-0, 6 sv, 2.41, 33.2, 22k, .292 baa

i think the monarch staff compares favorably with both ncwc and fc's staff...i'd probably give the ncwc the edge over anyone else, primarily because they've got 3 guys at the top of the rotation who can really shut you down, but overall, i think you can throw a  blanket over these three staffs




[/quote]


Nice stats narch...impressed
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 12, 2007, 01:02:15 PM
Am I missing something as to why Justin Batts earned first team?  Based on stats alone it appears Baker or Kennedy would be more fit for the first team all conference selection.  I have not studied the stats or anything and I know there are other categories than those I listed that help with the selection, but with a fast glance at the stats I am unsure how they did in fact come up with the selections


I was suprised also...everytime i threw something with run on it last year he would have trouble with it...last summer and fall he improved alot...ted williams are other catcher was hon. mention last year and he is a solid mind back behind the plate.  Batts has serious pop at the plate, still a little long in his swing, note his so's,  I would figure if he wasnt first team as a catcher he should have been first team as a utility player.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 01:03:27 PM
Well Shenandoah threw Dufresne but he left after 4 with an injury and allowed 2 runs both earned.

Daniel Eadie gave up 5 runs in 2 innings of relief and the score is Greensboro 7, Methodist 4 in the 8th.

I don't know if it'll continue to be updated all day, but right now I'm getting live stats from the following link.

http://www.cnusports.com/baseball/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: USAS 2007 CONFERENCE TOURN.
Post by: NCWC on April 12, 2007, 01:06:39 PM
live stats
Title: Re: USAS 2007 CONFERENCE TOURN.
Post by: NCWC on April 12, 2007, 01:07:49 PM
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/Misc/07usasbasetourn.htm
Title: Re: USAS 2007 CONFERENCE TOURN.
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
http://www.cnusports.com/baseball/livestats/xlive.htm

direct link to live stats.
Title: Re: USAS 2007 CONFERENCE TOURN.
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 01:35:52 PM
Game 1 final -- Greensboro 10, Shenandoah 4.

Game 2 final -- Averett 3, NC Wesleyan 2. Wesleyan leaves the winning run at second.

Game 3 final -- Ferrum 8, Christopher Newport 7. Ferrum wins on a sacrifice fly in the bottom of the 9th. I would wonder how that happens, but Thomas was running so he may very well have just beat a throw or challenged the fielder. Moreland was dominant for 5 innings, K-ing 9. Sowers tripled in the first and Thomas homered. Kevin Moreland's leadoff walk in the bottom of the 9th right after CNU tied it was a killer. Ferrum survived 4 errors and more unearned runs than will be represented in the final box score. Neither Holm nor King should have an earned run.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 12, 2007, 09:44:08 PM
some serious last inning heroics for the panthers to take down cnu

i've got to be honest, gc scares the heck out of me...those bats seemed to really come alive in the su game, and there isn't a more scary offensive team in the conference than the pride - monarchs need to pull a win tonight...go monarchs!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 09:55:28 PM
Shenandoah's pitching beyond Dufresne and Frelin is very suspect, so when Dufresne went out, they were in big trouble. The top of the Greensboro order looks potent though.

Are you at the tournament narch?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 12, 2007, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 12, 2007, 09:55:28 PM
Are you at the tournament narch?

no...livestats is great, though
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2007, 10:20:01 PM
Concur...

Btw, the estimated pitch count for Holm was only 73. So one would think he could come back on Day 3 or 4 if needed, or both perhaps if they're shorter stints. Bray threw around 100 and Shelton and Pearson both had EPCs of around 115.

Ferrum's got Garner to throw tomorrow against Averett, and essentially saved themselves a pitcher down the road. That went about as well as a day can go tournament-wise for them.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SU97 on April 12, 2007, 11:35:52 PM
Looks like GC is on the board first, up 1-0 in the top of the first against MU.


Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 01:31:03 AM
Final -- Methodist 6, Greensboro 5.

Walkoff hit by pitch. Exciting. Single, SAC, IBB, BB, HBP. Greensboro left them loaded in the top of 9th and left 9 on in the game, outhitting Methodist 11-6. No one to blame but themselves for letting this one get away.

And the scorekeeping continues to be very bad. Earned runs are wrong again, Mock should only have 4 earned, and it's pretty hard for Poholsky to be the losing pitcher when he didn't give up a freaking run! I can't believe someone's getting paid to do this job.

Poholsky gets a blown save, Mock gets the loss. Not that tough.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2007, 08:14:28 AM
spence - do one run wins count? 

i couldn't stay up until beyond 1 am last night, so i had to resort to getting the account of the game this morning...sounds like a great game, and certainly a great win for the monarchs and monarch fans

getting back to the 1 am thing...i know weather forced the start times back a bit, but i don't understand why the 3rd game didn't start at 4:30 or even 5:30...there was a 2+ hour gap from the end of game 2 until the start of game 3
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 13, 2007, 10:05:33 AM
I have off today.  As of right now it looks like a good day for baseball.  I will head over there today and go root for both Greensboro teams playing today.  I looks like I could see 4 greensboro games today.  Maybe I will see one of you over there.  Narch are you going to be there at all this weekend.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
can anyone head over to graham hs for me?  live stats doesnt cover the high school fields.  Im sure Blake is pitching.....will robertson be ready for the nightcap?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2007, 08:14:28 AM
spence - do one run wins count? 

i couldn't stay up until beyond 1 am last night, so i had to resort to getting the account of the game this morning...sounds like a great game, and certainly a great win for the monarchs and monarch fans

getting back to the 1 am thing...i know weather forced the start times back a bit, but i don't understand why the 3rd game didn't start at 4:30 or even 5:30...there was a 2+ hour gap from the end of game 2 until the start of game 3

Of course they count...but that doesn't mean luck isn't a factor in winning them, and that a one-run record that is heavily weighted toward wins or losses won't eventually swing back the other direction. What's questionable is whether the D-III college season is long enough for that correction to fully occur.

No idea on the game times.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2007, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 13, 2007, 10:05:33 AM
Narch are you going to be there at all this weekend.
unfortunately, no

Quote from: Spence on April 13, 2007, 01:45:55 PMOf course they count...but that doesn't mean luck isn't a factor in winning them, and that a one-run record that is heavily weighted toward wins or losses won't eventually swing back the other direction. What's questionable is whether the D-III college season is long enough for that correction to fully occur.

is a 162 game season long enough?  i seem to remember that when the white sox won the series a few years ago, they set an mlb record for one-run wins in a season (i could be wrong, but i THINK i remember that stat being discussed at length that season)...no question there is a little luck involved in EVERY game, but at what point does a team that consistently wins close games stop being lucky?

like gc last night, ferrum saturday scares me...any team that can put up runs in big bunches like those 2 (and averett) isn't a great matchup for the monarchs - cooper has been pretty tough for the monarchs in his career, so runs might be at a premium for mu - toth is a big game pitcher, though, and i think he'll be ready...go monarchs!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 02:34:31 PM
What did the White Sox do the next season in one-run games? That might partially give you an answer. But even great teams with great closers in MLB have had mediocre records in 1-run games.

There are a few external factors to one-run games...playing as the home team, as a comeback in the last at-bat can't result in a win by more than a run unless it's a HR, playing lower scoring games would seem to lend itself to more one-run games (and Emory and Methodist both fit that), but two of the one-run games yesterday were high-scoring.

Averett and Ferrum won 1-run games as well but over the season haven't been as successful in one-run games. Did they suddenly develop a talent for it? Unlikely. I think it just shows how evenly matched the teams down there are, and that either team could have won all of the last 3 games.

Is winning close games a skill? Great question. If it is, would it be a coaching skill, a function of hitters, pitchers, or some intangible factor?

Looks like someone got the memo on how to scored earned runs in Burlington, and unfortunately the best defensive team in the tournament statistically (by fielding pct., not the best I know) is victimizing their pitcher. Greensboro 4, CNU 1 with Greensboro still batting in the 7th. Well, mostly walking, now.

CNU going to Moreland with the bases loaded...no pressure. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 03:04:04 PM
To piggyback on my own post, and perhaps support yours...

Marietta has stats archived on its site since 1997. In that team MC is 57-31 in one-run games, including this year. Brewer is 17-11 (8-6 last year alone!), Schaly was 37-20 (16-4 in 2001 and 2002).

Every year but 03 we've been above .500 in one-run games.

I'd be interested to see similar data from other teams. I could see talent gap being a part of the reason for MC's record (especially Schaly's, since we were playing ahem, a different type schedule, even though in 2001 we were 4-1 in the regionals and in Appleton in one-run games).
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 03:21:53 PM
charlies hell angels are still alive according to the front page on usas
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 03:46:20 PM
Christopher Newport stays alive as well with a run in the 9th to win 5-4 over Greensboro.

Ferrum smashed Averett, 10-2. Averett continues to search for a #2 pitcher.

5 one-run games out of 7 contests so far! NCWC and CNU have each had two and both are 1-1 in them. Now they play each other!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
 think the final score to the ncwc/shen. game was 3-2, two real close ball games today, this next one will probably be real good as well
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2007, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 13, 2007, 03:04:04 PM
To piggyback on my own post, and perhaps support yours...

Marietta has stats archived on its site since 1997. In that team MC is 57-31 in one-run games, including this year. Brewer is 17-11 (8-6 last year alone!), Schaly was 37-20 (16-4 in 2001 and 2002).

Every year but 03 we've been above .500 in one-run games.

I'd be interested to see similar data from other teams. I could see talent gap being a part of the reason for MC's record (especially Schaly's, since we were playing ahem, a different type schedule, even though in 2001 we were 4-1 in the regionals and in Appleton in one-run games).
great minds think alike - i went back to '04 for the monarchs, and they're 32-16 (.667) in one-run games vs. 110-57 (.659) overall...not a huge differential, but clearly the monarchs are at least as comfortable in close games as they are in games that aren't close...i'll try to go back further tonight
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
think the final score to the ncwc/shen. game was 3-2, two real close ball games today, this next one will probably be real good as well

Or perhaps not...8-0 Wesleyan in the 3rd. CNU doesn't appear to have any pitching left without Baumann.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2007, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 13, 2007, 03:04:04 PM
To piggyback on my own post, and perhaps support yours...

Marietta has stats archived on its site since 1997. In that team MC is 57-31 in one-run games, including this year. Brewer is 17-11 (8-6 last year alone!), Schaly was 37-20 (16-4 in 2001 and 2002).

Every year but 03 we've been above .500 in one-run games.

I'd be interested to see similar data from other teams. I could see talent gap being a part of the reason for MC's record (especially Schaly's, since we were playing ahem, a different type schedule, even though in 2001 we were 4-1 in the regionals and in Appleton in one-run games).
great minds think alike - i went back to '04 for the monarchs, and they're 32-16 (.667) in one-run games vs. 110-57 (.659) overall...not a huge differential, but clearly the monarchs are at least as comfortable in close games as they are in games that aren't close...i'll try to go back further tonight

9-7 in 2002 and 2003. Anything further back than that, you're on your own because they're not on their site.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 13, 2007, 07:11:18 PM
I rest my case about WHY?!?! Burlington.  I believe the highlight of the area has to be the Hooter's no wonder they want the conference tournament there haha. (Ok thats a joke.)  The truth is Hooter's isn't the only attraction in Burlington they do have a K&W Cafeteria, Burlington Coat Factory, and the JR Outlets.  (Ok I had to joke around, not a great day for pride athletics.)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2007, 08:28:35 PM
i was kind of surprised to see ncwc let lucas go a full 9, especially with a 10-1 lead after 3 innings - i think i might have went 3 with lucas, and then given the ball to 3 other end of the rotation guys for 2 innings each so that you can pitch lucas for a couple of innings later in the weekend, if necessary...but i guess that's why i'm just a fan, not a coach

psbbg - when will you get it in your head...the usasac did not pick burlington because it's a great fan-friendly place with lots going on...they figure that usasac fans have PLENTY of entertainment with multiple sporting events happening throughout the day/weekend, so all they need is a location with solid facilities (check), ample hotel space (check), enough eateries to keep everyone happy (check...there is much more in the burlington area than just a hooters and k&w...in fact, there's a great little tex-mex place just across from the elon campus) and that fits within the budget (i imagine that's a check, as well)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2007, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: usasac baseball tournament website
Saturday's Games
MU vs. FC, 9:00 am
AU vs. NCW, 12:30 pm   
MU/FC winner vs. AU/NCW winner, 4:00 pm 
Sunday's Games
TBD
is this correct?  for some reason, i thought the LOSER of the mu/fc game should play the WINNER of the au/ncwc game and the winner of the mu/fc game would advance to sunday...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 13, 2007, 09:16:05 PM
I was joking then and I am joking now. I think it is a fine idea. (I only thought the stadiums would have been much closer.)  It is great based on what you said othe sport teams are supporting other sports teams.  I didn't understand though that coaches let their players not entire teams head over to the games.  I saw a couple of MU baseball players at a MU softball game.  I guess they saved money on not taking a team bus up or the hotel was within walking distance of the softball field.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 13, 2007, 09:28:24 PM
Narch,

I believe the website is wrong.  The complete bracket with the tournament seedings is the official one.  The MU/FC winner goes to the championship game while the loser goes the the losers backet final game to play AU or NCWC.

At least this makes the most sense.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 10:24:49 PM
quote author=narch link=topic=4569.msg707440#msg707440 date=1176510515]
i was kind of surprised to see ncwc let lucas go a full 9, especially with a 10-1 lead after 3 innings - i think i might have went 3 with lucas, and then given the ball to 3 other end of the rotation guys for 2 innings each so that you can pitch lucas for a couple of innings later in the weekend, if necessary...but i guess that's why i'm just a fan, not a coach

psbbg - when will you get it in your head...the usasac did not pick burlington because it's a great fan-friendly place with lots going on...they figure that usasac fans have PLENTY of entertainment with multiple sporting events happening throughout the day/weekend, so all they need is a location with solid facilities (check), ample hotel space (check), enough eateries to keep everyone happy (check...there is much more in the burlington area than just a hooters and k&w...in fact, there's a great little tex-mex place just across from the elon campus) and that fits within the budget (i imagine that's a check, as well)
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I was suprised as well...john usually throws about 5 and he is out...i guess he is feeling stronger...alot of the guys in the pen can start as well...i think thats what coach was thinking...b. moore can go the distance-he hasnt proved himself this year though, robertson can go the distance ex. last years championship game-depends on how his elbow feels, bridgers can start, roenker has started, campbell/s.moore/batts/shearon are the true relief. You can bet rice will be ready also
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2007, 08:28:35 PM
i was kind of surprised to see ncwc let lucas go a full 9, especially with a 10-1 lead after 3 innings - i think i might have went 3 with lucas, and then given the ball to 3 other end of the rotation guys for 2 innings each so that you can pitch lucas for a couple of innings later in the weekend, if necessary...but i guess that's why i'm just a fan, not a coach

I thought this as well. It's hard to pull him after 3 because you just don't know what's going to happen with that much ballgame left. But when it was 13-1 going to bottom 6 I thought they would go with someone else.

I guess there are two schools of thought on it...you save the innings on the other guys when you have two long days to go (4 games) if he goes 9. Or you keep him available for Sunday at the cost of having a few guys throw a few pitches Friday.

Wesleyan has 7 players who haven't throw that have at least 10 innings this season (that includes Robertson). However too many of them have exactly pitched consistently well in those innings. I probably would have pulled him after 5 with him throwing around 60 pitches, and gone with either my last guy for 4 innings, or 4 guys for 1 inning each.

Any guesses on who goes tomorrow? Heck, for both teams.

The prospects for baseball on Sunday do not look good, which would have been another reason to not let Lucas go.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 13, 2007, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 10:24:49 PMI was suprised as well...john usually throws about 5 and he is out...i guess he is feeling stronger...alot of the guys in the pen can start as well...i think thats what coach was thinking...b. moore can go the distance-he hasnt proved himself this year though, robertson can go the distance ex. last years championship game-depends on how his elbow feels, bridgers can start, roenker has started, campbell/s.moore/batts/shearon are the true relief.
that pitching depth (b. moore and robertson, especially) is why i picked ncwc to win the tournament in the poll above...if there is any team that can survive a day one loss and win the tournament, i think it's the bishops...but still, seems like lucas was VERY effective this season and you'd want to have him available on sunday if you can...let him go 3, and then throw b. moore and robertson for 3 today, and ALL three of them are available, if needed on sunday

Quote from: NCWC on April 13, 2007, 10:24:49 PMYou can bet rice will be ready also
not sure how many pitches he threw today, but he did go 9...that seems to be asking a lot of a kid to turn around and pitch much with just one day rest...

i hope toth is the bulldog he's been all year on saturday...he went 7 innings, allowing 3 hits, 0 er and getting 9 k's vs. ferrum in the first meeting this season...more of the same would be nice :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 11:11:16 PM
Estimated pitch count for Rice: 124.

Quite a few, but I wouldn't rule out Sunday at least for a relief appearance.

The problem with going 3-3-3 is yes all those guys are available for Sunday, but you've got two to win tomorrow. Someone could throw 50 pitches in 3 innings and then they're weaker tomorrow. Plus I think after 3 is just too early.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 14, 2007, 11:13:31 AM
Averett vs NCWC

I think it will be Jacob Waller on the hill for Averett and Ben Moore for NCWC.  It looks like AC tried to get fancy yesterday and slip and no 3 or no 4 in there and took an L.  They still have their number two (stats wise), Waller, who got roughed up by ferrum the last week on reg. season.  They also have Crowl, sidearmer, I think.

Ben Moore has struggled this year, he didnt play much of the fall b/c of knee surgery in the summer.  Robertson is still a big ? right now due to the fact we have been playing phone tag for the last week and i cant get a read on how he is doing.  I wouldnt be suprised to see batts come from behind the plate and start down the road.


Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 14, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
Estimated pitch count for Rice: 124.

Quite a few, but I wouldn't rule out Sunday at least for a relief appearance.


The pitching program at wesleyan calls for long toss the next day after the game and then a pen on the second day.  Im sure Lauren the trainer has invested in some ice and stem for him.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 14, 2007, 11:25:29 AM
the monarchs need some late inning heroics, trailing 4-0 after 7...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 14, 2007, 08:43:48 PM
tough morning for the monarchs, but a nice bounce-back vs. the bishops...can't think of a team that i'd rather put out of the tournament...well, other than ferrum on sunday...winning 2 vs. the panthers will be tough
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 14, 2007, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 14, 2007, 11:13:31 AM
Averett vs NCWC

I think it will be Jacob Waller on the hill for Averett and Ben Moore for NCWC.  It looks like AC tried to get fancy yesterday and slip and no 3 or no 4 in there and took an L.  They still have their number two (stats wise), Waller, who got roughed up by ferrum the last week on reg. season.  They also have Crowl, sidearmer, I think.

Ben Moore has struggled this year, he didnt play much of the fall b/c of knee surgery in the summer.  Robertson is still a big ? right now due to the fact we have been playing phone tag for the last week and i cant get a read on how he is doing.  I wouldnt be suprised to see batts come from behind the plate and start down the road.


I don't think Averett has a #2 really. Crowl pitched more of the 2nd games of the conference, but not particularly well.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 14, 2007, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: narch on April 14, 2007, 08:43:48 PM
tough morning for the monarchs, but a nice bounce-back vs. the bishops...can't think of a team that i'd rather put out of the tournament...well, other than ferrum on sunday...winning 2 vs. the panthers will be tough

I guess that answered the question on Robertson. Have to believe if he were able, he'd have been in that game.

Could be a long day tomorrow. Models don't really look favorable until about 7 p.m.; looks like there MAY be a window to get one in during the early afternoon, but that would take some luck and being very prepared.

Assume Methodist goes with Jordan in the first tomorrow and then some compunction of Kelly/Hill/Geisinger/(Kisiah?) for the second? Ferrum has Bowles, King, Davenport, Mays, Holm available...perhaps they start Davenport or Mays in the first one and then bring back Holm in the if necessary?

Just my conjecture...not claiming any clairvoyance at all.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 14, 2007, 10:49:34 PM
The best kept secret of the spring sports.  Watching the golf tournament.  The admission is FREE.  The drawbacks are baking out in the hot sun, not seeing your team all together. (Have to pick a player and just watch him.) Yet there are plenty of COLD drinks available and I don't mean just soda.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 15, 2007, 10:36:47 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 14, 2007, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: narch on April 14, 2007, 08:43:48 PM
tough morning for the monarchs, but a nice bounce-back vs. the bishops...can't think of a team that i'd rather put out of the tournament...well, other than ferrum on sunday...winning 2 vs. the panthers will be tough
Assume Methodist goes with Jordan in the first tomorrow and then some compunction of Kelly/Hill/Geisinger/(Kisiah?) for the second? Ferrum has Bowles, King, Davenport, Mays, Holm available...perhaps they start Davenport or Mays in the first one and then bring back Holm in the if necessary?

Just my conjecture...not claiming any clairvoyance at all.
i have a feeling that if the game is played today, kelly will go in game one, and coach austin will go by committee in game 2 if they get the win...but like you, i'm taking a complete stab...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 15, 2007, 10:51:24 AM
Well, I was thinking you might buy yourself a day if they only play 1 today for weather reasons.

But it's looking a little more favorable to play 2 today than it did last night. It's still raining, but the low is right over central North Carolina right now. There's not much behind it, but the question will be as the low gets closer to the shore weather it brings enough of a wraparound flow to spin up more showers.

I probably won't find out what happened until Tuesday or later. I'm fortunate that the hotel has high speed internet where I am...and that the tornadoes missed us by about 10 miles lol.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 15, 2007, 12:59:01 PM
Correction on the fences with nails. They have actually put a new fence up and it isn't half bad out there now.

George Foster #15
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 15, 2007, 01:36:38 PM
Any word if they are still going to try to get at least one in, today?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 15, 2007, 02:38:14 PM
Ferrum wins the 2007 USA South Baseball Tournament

from the Ferrum website

Ferrum Wins 2007 USA South Baseball Tournament
Panthers Qualify for NCAA Division III Playoffs

FERRUM, Va. - Ferrum College's baseball team won the 2007 USA South Athletic Conference Tournament when inclement weather forced the cancellation of the title game.  This is Ferrum's second tournament title in the past three seasons.

          USA South Baseball Tournament Official Web Site

Ferrum (18-15) went 3-0 in the tournament to reach the title game.  The Panthers opened with an 8-7 win over Christopher Newport University April 12, then followed with a 10-2 win over Averett University April 13.  Coach Abe Naff's team then beat Methodist University 8-2 April 14 to reach the title game.

The 2007 USA South Baseball All-Tournament team will be announced shortly.

Ferrum's win earns the team an automatic qualification into the 2007 NCAA Division III playoffs.  This will be Ferrum's 10th trip overall to the NCAA baseball playoffs (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 2005, 2007).

This is the first time that Ferrum has won both the regular season and tournament titles.  Ferrum won regular season titles in 1990, 1992, 1993, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007 and the tournament title in 2005.

This year's NCAA baseball regionals will be held May 16-20 at sites yet to be determined.  The NCAA Division III Baseball site can be reached at: www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens/schedules/diviii

For more information, please contact the Ferrum College Sports Information office at (540) 365-4306.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 15, 2007, 03:28:52 PM
does this mean that the last day of the tournament was simply canceled then? 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 15, 2007, 03:42:38 PM
Narch,

Yes
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 15, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
Every tournament was canceled today.  I not quite sure about the fairness of the whole ordeal. It is in some handbook somewhere.  I guess I really don't have much of an arguement.  It is sad though two Greensboro teams were effected because of it.  Golf yeah Greensboro was 10 strokes behind MU but you still don't know what could have been.  Greensboro golfer's could have had career days.  The one person I do know on the team was +5 after the first round despite hitting 12 fairways.  His family was there saying he just played too conservative.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 15, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
why not go to campus sites (higher seed) and play these championships on monday, on the field of play?...the only sport that might be problematic for would be golf, although it could be played on the mu course

you're right, psbbg, the gc golfers could very well have made a comeback and gc lax could have beaten cnu...just as mu baseball could have won 2 vs. ferrum - it just doesn't seem right that these contests weren't decided on the field...at least tennis can go indoors and softball had the foresight to play extra games on friday and saturday...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 15, 2007, 06:13:27 PM
What are the chances Ferrum bids for and gets to host regional?  They certainly have the facility, lights, and Rocky Mount has a couple of new hotels available.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on April 15, 2007, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
just as mu baseball could have won 2 vs. ferrum - it just doesn't seem right that these contests weren't decided on the field...

I think that contest was decided on the field yesterday. MC got drilled by FC with their pitching in good shape. It could have gotten really ugly 18 innings later. BTW - MC / Tom Austin = 1st class and I hope they get a bid ..... but 18th in the country??? Not quite.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 15, 2007, 07:17:29 PM
Eh-You

On any given day any team can win.  Let play on the field decide a championship instead of the weather.

MU seemed to get its offense back on track against NCWC.  It would have been interesting to see what they could do in rematch against Ferrum.

I think if Methodist can win add a few more wins they should make it to regionals.

Good Point with the Rankings
Methodist should be much higher than 18
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 15, 2007, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Eh-You on April 15, 2007, 06:41:43 PMI think that contest was decided on the field yesterday. MC got drilled by FC with their pitching in good shape. It could have gotten really ugly 18 innings later. BTW - MC / Tom Austin = 1st class and I hope they get a bid ..... but 18th in the country??? Not quite.
eh-you...i'm the first to admit that beating fc twice would have been a tall order for the monarchs, particularly with the way the pitching was lined up, but i also had a horrible feeling when fc beat mu 11-0 in the first conference game of the season...i never thought the monarchs would come back to win 9-2 the next day, and i didn't think for a minute that a team that was as young and inexperienced as the monarchs would win a share of the conference title and be 25-10 at this point...you just never know what will happen, and if you think for a minute that the monarchs would have rolled over for the panthers, you simply know nothing about mu baseball - who knows if they would have won...but i guess that's exactly my point...they didn't get the chance to find out

if mu had won yesterday and was crowned tournament champions, i would be happy that they had secured a bid to regionals, but i wouldn't be crowing about it, because i understand the nature of baseball and that anything could have happened in the championship round

and i don't know enough about baseball outside of this region to know if mu is a legit top 25 team...but they've got 6 more games, all against solid regional competition (hsc, huntingdon, lynchburg, york and 2 vs. salisbury) - i think if they can go 4-2 against that competition, they should get a chance to show what they can do in the regionals
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: D-BAT on April 15, 2007, 11:47:36 PM
At the completion of the USA-South Tourney, every team in the conference has at least 20 wins, is there another DIII conference in the United States that can top that ?

Combined won/loss record of the 7 teams - 162 wins and 96 losses for .627 winning %.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 16, 2007, 01:44:30 AM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
you're right, psbbg, the gc golfers could very well have made a comeback and gc lax could have beaten cnu...just as mu baseball could have won 2 vs. ferrum - it just doesn't seem right that these contests weren't decided on the field...at least tennis can go indoors and softball had the foresight to play extra games on friday and saturday...

I don't want to keep bringing other sports on this board but there aren't other places to put it.  I was there "watching" the golf tournament.  There were many things that could have been done to get some rounds in.  They could have gone to 9 holes and well droped the bottom teams as well (allowing those from the those teams that had good scores still play for the all-tournament team.)  They could have started the tee-times earlier the golf course allows for 7:30 tee times.  I think they could have gotten 9 in today.  Although my idea may not be fair but it seems fairer then what happened, no play at all.  As for the lax game I like CNU more (on a scale of 1-10, 1 being the worst, they were at 3, now they are at 5)  I heard that they said co-champions for greensboro and CNU.  Thats how they wanted it.  It still can be decided on the field many tournaments won't even start until this week.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 08:12:41 AM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2007, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Eh-You on April 15, 2007, 06:41:43 PMI think that contest was decided on the field yesterday. MC got drilled by FC with their pitching in good shape. It could have gotten really ugly 18 innings later. BTW - MC / Tom Austin = 1st class and I hope they get a bid ..... but 18th in the country??? Not quite.
you just never know what will happen, and if you think for a minute that the monarchs would have rolled over for the panthers, you simply know nothing about mu baseball - who knows if they would have won...but i guess that's exactly my point...they didn't get the chance to find out

First of all, I'm not even a Ferrum fan, so I'm certainly not "crowing". All your "decide it on the field" cries would be valid if Ferrum and Methodist hadn't played each other the day before in the winner's bracket final. THEY PLAYED EACH OTHER! It was decided on the field. Not sure if you saw the MC / FC game Saturday (I did) but there is no doubt in my mind that you got the chance to find out who deserved the bid - you just didn't like the result.

And what exactly would be your solution to "these contest not being decided on the field? " The game certainly wouldn't be able to be played Monday in Burlington (weather) or in Ferrum (weather) - so should they fly to a dry place or wait until Tuesday. Ferrum plays games Mon - Thurs and budgets get blown away with either "solution" and not to mention this small issue of class / exams. 

Good decision by the USA South if for no other reason than to squash the Methodist conspiricy theory.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 16, 2007, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 08:12:41 AMFirst of all, I'm not even a Ferrum fan, so I'm certainly not "crowing".
i understand you're an averett fan...your board name kind of gives it away, plus you've posted on the other boards before...and i never said you were "crowing"...read my quote...i said I wouldn't crow if the monarchs had won

Quote from: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 08:12:41 AMAll your "decide it on the field" cries would be valid if Ferrum and Methodist hadn't played each other the day before in the winner's bracket final. THEY PLAYED EACH OTHER! It was decided on the field. Not sure if you saw the MC / FC game Saturday (I did) but there is no doubt in my mind that you got the chance to find out who deserved the bid - you just didn't like the result.
last i checked this was a double elimination tournament...or did i miss something?  double elimination means that you have to lose twice to be eliminated...

Quote from: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 08:12:41 AMAnd what exactly would be your solution to "these contest not being decided on the field? " The game certainly wouldn't be able to be played Monday in Burlington (weather) or in Ferrum (weather) - so should they fly to a dry place or wait until Tuesday. Ferrum plays games Mon - Thurs and budgets get blown away with either "solution" and not to mention this small issue of class / exams. 
read my post from yesterday...my solution, for ALL of the tournaments that were cancelled, would be to play them today on the higher seeded teams home field (armstrong-shelley field will no question be playable today)...it's not ideal because it would involve additional expense and class time being missed, but it could happen (even with ferrum playing on monday...they could easily postpone or cancel the ehc game...which i'm sure they're missing some class time for since it's a 3pm start and 2 hours away) - the other solution would have required some forethought by the conference, but there was about a 2 hour window on thursday, as well as the down time on friday and saturday evenings during which games could have been played...again, not ideal, but anyone who saw the weather forecast knew that playing games on sunday was probably not going to happen

Quote from: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 08:12:41 AMGood decision by the USA South if for no other reason than to squash the Methodist conspiricy theory.
please, share...what is the "Methodist conspiricy theory"...i'd love to hear this

the bottom line is this...there are ncaa tournament bids on the line in every spring sport now - the monarchs won both tennis tournaments as the #2 and #3 seed, the monarchs won the softball tournament as the #2 seed (and played the #6 seed in the championship bracket)...who knows what would have happened if baseball, golf and lacrosse were allowed to finish out their tournaments and settle things on the field of play?  personally, i think the usasac needs to come up with a more appropriate contingency plan than simply cancelling the tournaments and declaring the highest seed or whoever is leading at the time the champion
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 09:12:59 AM
CNU lacross was named champions because they were the # 1 seed and beat GC three weeks ago.   What a fair way to determine a champion.

Back to baseball,  Ferrum and AU only played 1 game on thursday and friday.  Methodist did not even play on friday.

Are teams allowed to play triple headers?  A know softball sometimes plays four games in one day.

If they are allowed triple headers and knowing the weather forecast...

FU and MU play right after CNU and NCWC friday night around 7:30.

NCWC and AU play friday night after MU/FC game

MU plays NCWC saturday mourning

MU plays FC middle of the day

Afternoon game if needed

I am sure Methodist and other teams would be willing to play a triple header if they had a chance to WIN the tournament

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 09:17:17 AM
Eh-You

You said Methodist already had their chance against Ferrum and lost.

What if NCWC beat Methodist?

They would not have had a chance to play Ferrum.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 16, 2007, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 09:12:59 AM
CNU lacross was named champions because they were the # 1 seed and beat GC three weeks ago.   What a fair way to determine a champion.

I hope you aren't serious, what somebody does 3 weeks ago has no meaning on what they can do now.   

I believe Narch said it earlier, these games can be made up today.  (Or even this week.)

Baseball-Selection Information
Monday, May 14, 2 a.m. ET (ncaasports.com)

Women's Lax- Selection Information
Sunday, May 6, 9-10 p.m. ET (CSTV)

Softball-Selection Information
Sunday, May 6, 12 a.m. ET (ncaasports.com)

Men's Golf-Selection Information
Monday, May 7, 5 p.m. ET (ncaasports.com)

We still have a couple of weeks for the other sports.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 12:26:58 PM
PrideSportBBallGuy,

I'm dead serious with lacrosse.  Just check out the 2007 Lacrosse tournament page.  CNU won 15-11 on march 24.  In a game like lacrosse four goals is not that big of a margin.  Canceling the tournament is an awful way to decide a champion. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 16, 2007, 01:10:23 PM
Falcon-

I thought you were saying it was fair about lacrosse.  I know lacrosse well and 4 goals is not a big margin at all.  The games should be played.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 01:25:36 PM
Pride,

Just using some sarcastic remarks in response to Eh-You's post :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 16, 2007, 01:35:28 PM
This stinks, no question. And I didn't realize that this is how they would do it; I figured if it goes to Monday, then it goes to Monday. It's not like the Burlington Indians were going to have a game or anything.

That said, it's happened before in NCAA regional play and is handled pretty much the same way. So the Ferrum people are in a sense right when they say it was decided on the field...the tournament essentially becomes single-elimination if the final day can't be played.

To answer other question: No, I doubt any other conference will end up with all its teams having 20 or more wins. I see very little chance for Ferrum to host the regional for a whole ton of reasons. And if Methodist plays well late in the year, I think they've got a decent shot at an at-large bid, but they're not a slamdunk.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 16, 2007, 02:05:24 PM
in all honesty, i have a bigger problem with a sport like lacrosse, and possibly even golf than i do with baseball...at least the monarchs have a legit chance to play their way in, with 6 remaining games (perhaps 7 if the b'water game that was postponed earlier is played - i haven't heard anything about that being a possibility, though)

gc lacrosse has no shot at getting in the ncaa tournament other than the conference tournament...i'm not sure how likely it is that any other golf team from the usasac gets an at-large bid (although it would be odd seeing a national tournament without gc)...i think everyone would agree that the pressure of performing with an entire season in the balance is part of what is special about conference tournaments...that 15-11 cnu lax win over gc earlier in the year was just for the #1 seed and regular season championship...

i commend the folks running the softball and tennis tournaments for having the foresight to make every effort to have a completed tournament (made easy for tennis with an indoor facility...too bad burlington doesn't have a domed baseball field :))...too bad the others didn't do the same

p.s. - spence...what's up with the negative karma?  you must be a different person on the other boards...every time i give you a plus point, it seems 2 give you negatives :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: narch on April 16, 2007, 08:49:20 AM

last i checked this was a double elimination tournament...or did i miss something?  double elimination means that you have to lose twice to be eliminated...

Well I think losing once is a little closer to losing twice than NOT LOSING is.

Quote from: narch on April 16, 2007, 08:49:20 AM
read my post from yesterday...my solution, for ALL of the tournaments that were cancelled, would be to play them today on the higher seeded teams home field (armstrong-shelley field will no question be playable today)...
You can't be serious - "Congrads MC, you got drug by Ferrum yesterday but you did win a tiebreaker to get the #1 seed and Ferrum hasn't lost in the tourney - but we'll play the championship round at your place" which leads nicely into the theory

Quote from: narch on April 16, 2007, 08:49:20 AM
please, share...what is the "Methodist conspiricy theory"...i'd love to hear this

Those of us who don't see everything with green and gold lenses tend to think that MC gets a little more respect (news releases, rankings, etc.) in the USA South b/c their location happens to be the same as the conference headquarters. I'll bet Tom didn't even get Rita a cup of coffee this morning.



Falcon - NCWC's chance came against Averett Thursday.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 16, 2007, 04:41:38 PM
I am mad for every team that had to be told well because of mother nature,  You LOSE, Good luck next year. There are seniors that worked hard and have to miss out on chance to play for a title.  I can't imagine the teams affected how they can go about it.  Some of these teams have games until the NCAA tournament. 

As for Golf, I hope GC can still make it.  It is a rare sight then.  Narch do you know the selection criteria for Golf.  I heard it changed this year.  I am not really familar with college golf.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2007, 05:25:21 PM
Please check out the Golf Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/golf/2007/2007_d3_m_golf_champ_handbook.pdf).

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 07:37:30 PM
Eh-You

AU happened to throw the USA south pitcher of the year against NCWC.
Shelton happened to go undefeated and throw a complete game 4 hitter against Ferrum a week early.

So I guess it was NCWC fault that they ran into the best pitcher in the conference.  I'm sure Shelton would have shut Ferrum down again if they met in the tournament. 

BTW

NCWC crushed Ferrum the second time they met in the tournament
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 10:07:20 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 07:37:30 PM
Eh-You
I'm sure Shelton would have shut Ferrum down again if they met in the tournament. 

BTW

NCWC crushed Ferrum the second time they met in the tournament

I agree 100% about Shelton. Good point. I guess if NCWC would have defeated MC on Saturday that would have been much more unfortunate - I guess unfair. And I'm assuming you mean that NCWC crushed Averett not Ferrum.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2007, 10:13:56 PM
Eh-You

Sorry about that.  I did mean AU instead of Ferrum.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 16, 2007, 10:52:47 PM
we're going to have to agree to disagree on a number of issues, but the bottom line is this...ferrum is the usasac baseball champ, methodist is the golf champ and the cnu women are the lax champs because the conference won't allow tournament play beyond sunday and nothing was done to try to fit full tournaments in earlier in the week...it is what it is, like it or not

Quote from: Eh-You on April 16, 2007, 02:28:41 PMThose of us who don't see everything with green and gold lenses tend to think that MC gets a little more respect (news releases, rankings, etc.) in the USA South b/c their location happens to be the same as the conference headquarters.
this is a laugher...you know as well as i do that the conference has NOTHING to do with rankings...those things are voted on by the coaches and sid's, and to imply that the conference office location has anything to do with rankings is ignorant - if you know rita wiggs, i think that accusing her of special treatment for ANY conference school would be the last thing you would do...

as for press releases, could it be that the monarchs have teams that actually warrant the coverage?  other than cnu, there isn't an overall athletic department in the conference that has acheived what mu has, this year or any other - if baseball makes the ncaa tournament, that will make 7 monarch teams that participate in the ncaa's this year...there are probably schools in the conference that haven't had a TOTAL of 7 ncaa appearances in their history...should the conference sid ignore the press releases that the mu sid sends?  are you aware of situations where an sid from another conference school has had their press release ignored by the conference sid?
Title: Whoa mule!!!!!
Post by: Eh-You on April 17, 2007, 05:27:21 PM
The whole reason this came up was because I said they squashed the conspiricy theory. I was saying that stuff jokingly - I'm not making any accusations. It sure did stir a heck of a response out of you though :-)
Title: Re: usa south
Post by: narch on April 17, 2007, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: Eh-You on April 17, 2007, 05:27:21 PMI was saying that stuff jokingly
i agreed that your statement was laughable....it wasn't humorous, but it was laughable

Quote from: Eh-You on April 17, 2007, 05:27:21 PMI'm not making any accusations.
so when you said "those of us", you weren't including yourself? :)

and i don't appreciate being called a mule :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 17, 2007, 09:45:04 PM
here is a wrap-up of the spring tournaments (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=259972) from the fayetteville observer...interesting to see coach austin's thoughts on the rain-out situation...also interesting to understand how difficult it will be for teams to make the national golf tournament with just 3 at-large bids...i actually think this will weaken the field
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 17, 2007, 10:22:03 PM
It will. Automatic bids weaken the field; the more, the worse. But it's what the presidents want so that they can win their crappy conferences and feign competitiveness.

What kind of revision of policy would he be thinking? If you're paying for the use of the field, you kind of have to have that budgeted in or get the money from somewhere to keep it an extra day.

You could have the tournament at campus sites, but with a 7 team tournament you've got another set of problems there, plus if Greensboro were to win the league you'd be right back where you started.

Not that easy. I guess the best solution would be to just budget for an extra day from the start and then be happy if you don't have to use it and carry it over to the next year or something. But then that would be cutting something else for something that is probably fairly unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2007, 11:05:42 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2007, 09:45:04 PM
here is a wrap-up of the spring tournaments (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=259972) from the fayetteville observer...interesting to see coach austin's thoughts on the rain-out situation...also interesting to understand how difficult it will be for teams to make the national golf tournament with just 3 at-large bids...i actually think this will weaken the field
But a quick count of D3 schools sponsoring Men's golf shows that it increased from about 255 to about 275 from 2004 to 2007 with the knowledge by the Presidents that conference AQ's would get a bid.

More opportunity.

As for the field, we in the South can smugly bemoan all of the golf teams in basketball land getting "undeserved" golf AQs when good Southern golf teams are staying home!   :D ;D ;)

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 09:10:24 AM
Spence,

If they did not use the field on Sunday, why would they have to pay for it.  The way I see it, if a day is cancelled and you play the next day, it should not cost you any extra money.

Other than possible hotel expenses and meal money it should not be much extra money.  Methodist and Ferrum are both an hour and a half away and.  They could take a bus and save hotel money if they wanted

Anyway, it not like the Burlington Royals are using it any time soon.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 11:45:29 AM
It looks like Methodist turned Sunday 4/22 game against Lynchburg into a double-header.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
Show the tiebreaker that put methodist at #1, Ferrum #2, and NCWC #3.  If they cancelled the tournament it should revert back to methodist as the auto. seed.  Here is another conspiracy theory...how did ncwc get averett first round (the only team that swept ncwc), tiebreaker? They should eliminate the last place team from the regular season from the tournament. Should be no bye.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 04:27:12 PM
NCWC

If GC was eliminated from the tournament since they finished in last place it would be 1 vs 6
2 vs. 5
3 vs. 4
NCWC would still have to play AU in the first round.

I personally like the play in game format of the 2005 tournament.  The 6 and 7 seed would play a game with the loser being eliminated
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on April 18, 2007, 04:38:03 PM
     I have been following the conver somewhat loosely about the USA South baseball tourn. I may not have all the details straight but it seems to me that anything short of a hurricane or some extreme event, the finals should be played. I am a Ferrum alum and am tickled they are in the NCAA tourn but can certainly understand MC being upset about not having the opportunity to play. Ferrum was in the drivers seat for sure but MC winning two is certainly within the realm of possibility too. Maybe there are logistics involved here that I don't understand but do they not have some built in margin for rain?  
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2007, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 09:10:24 AM
Spence,

If they did not use the field on Sunday, why would they have to pay for it.  The way I see it, if a day is cancelled and you play the next day, it should not cost you any extra money.

Other than possible hotel expenses and meal money it should not be much extra money.  Methodist and Ferrum are both an hour and a half away and.  They could take a bus and save hotel money if they wanted

Anyway, it not like the Burlington Royals are using it any time soon.

OK well I'm now very confused. I suspected that Averett's academic calendar might have had something to do with this, but it doesn't, at least not anymore. It used to be cited as the primary reason this was the first tournament in the country. Now their graduation weekend isn't until the first of May.

As for your point about not using the field Sunday, they still had reservations on it. I don't know the details of the agreement, though.

Obviously another factor is the desire to get students back in class Monday.

You can't make up rules on the spot, so the proximity of Fayetteville and Ferrum are irrelevant, not to mention that you are hauling some major booty if you get from Methodist to Burlington in 90 mins, especially in a bus. It's 120 miles by interstate, probably shorter going up 87 but maybe not quicker.

But you would have to think in terms of if Shenandoah and Christopher Newport were in the championship because you don't know at the beginning of the year who's going to be in it.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
It would seem that with four weeks until playoff selections that it should be possible to find another neutral site somewhere to play a final game or two if weather prevents the games from being played on the weekend scheduled.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2007, 07:16:20 PM
IMO you can't do that if there's no provision for it already in place.

And if they didn't meet on the first available day, then you totally change the dynamic of tournament baseball.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on April 18, 2007, 07:19:45 PM
Just received the call from my son...Methodist defeated H-SC 9-6..the score was 6-6 heading into the 7th and Methodist benefited from 11 walks and puts some hits together and put it away in the 8th and 9th...I'll follow up with more details on the ODAC forum once I receive them....B Ward started and pitched 5 and West and Toledano finshed.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 07:35:13 PM
Spence,

Ferrum had a game on Monday at E&H at 3:00 before it was called off due to snow. Ferrum is 2 1/2 hours away.  I sure they were worried about missing class ;)




Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2007, 07:37:52 PM
Look, no need to get all wisecracky about it.

It's done, over. No conference in the world is going to make up rules on the spot that weren't in place at the beginning of the season.

I see Ferrum's still beefing up the non-conference schedule with the heavyweights of the Appalachian Mountain chain.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 07:57:26 PM
Spence,

You asked about what policy revisions Tom Austin could be talking about.
All I was trying to point out is that it would not be that hard to change policy and to make up the games.  They need to due something just in case this situation occurs in the future.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SU97 on April 18, 2007, 10:45:34 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on April 16, 2007, 04:41:38 PM
I am mad for every team that had to be told well because of mother nature,  You LOSE, Good luck next year. There are seniors that worked hard and have to miss out on chance to play for a title.  I can't imagine the teams affected how they can go about it.  Some of these teams have games until the NCAA tournament. 

As for Golf, I hope GC can still make it.  It is a rare sight then.  Narch do you know the selection criteria for Golf.  I heard it changed this year.  I am not really familar with college golf.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I agree that these tourney championship games should have been played (or at least the conf. should consider making adjustments to the rules to allow for this option in the future).   For what it's worth GC Lax, MU Baseball and GC golf got hosed...  just a couple of thoughts from Winchester.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 18, 2007, 11:23:24 PM
mu/hsc game story and box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/hampden0418.htm)...1 down, 6 to go
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 18, 2007, 11:27:06 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 18, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
Show the tiebreaker that put methodist at #1, Ferrum #2, and NCWC #3.  If they cancelled the tournament it should revert back to methodist as the auto. seed.  Here is another conspiracy theory...how did ncwc get averett first round (the only team that swept ncwc), tiebreaker? They should eliminate the last place team from the regular season from the tournament. Should be no bye.

here ya go
Quote from: narch on April 08, 2007, 08:51:30 PM
here's how the tie-break worked out

mu, fc and ncwc were all 2-2 vs. the other teams tied for 1st, so there was no breaking the tie with head-to-head among the 3 teams

au and cnu were tied for 2nd, and head-to-head records were compared
ncwc went 1-3 vs. cnu & au
fc went 2-2 vs. cnu & au
mu went 3-1 vs. cnu & au

mu #1 seed, fc #2 seed, ncwc #3 seed

au and cnu were seeded according to their records against the top 3 (since they were 1-1 vs. each other) - au was 4-2 vs. ncwc/fc/mu while cnu was 2-4

au #4 seed, cnu #5 seed

su is #6 because they were 5-7 in conference and gc is #7 because they were 4-8 in conference

easy enough?  no conspiracy needed, just simple understanding of standard tie-breaking procedures :)

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 19, 2007, 12:34:21 AM
NC Wesleyan went 2-2 versus Averett and Christopher Newport.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2007, 12:42:03 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 18, 2007, 07:57:26 PM
Spence,

You asked about what policy revisions Tom Austin could be talking about.
All I was trying to point out is that it would not be that hard to change policy and to make up the games.  They need to due something just in case this situation occurs in the future.



No, all you're doing is trying to poke holes in the possibilities I offer for why things were the way they were. I never said they were reasons why they couldn't be changed. but the people who claimthat Ferrum and Methodist should be allowed ot just meet somewhere and finish it are off their rockers. You can't just make up rules like that. And my post was trying to explain the reasoning for why this rule might have been the way it was, and you bring up something that is not at all related. Whether Ferrum plays a road game during the week is immaterial. Players would have already missed Thursday and Friday for the tournament, and I'm guessing that the prospect ofthem missing Monday as well was at least in the thought process.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 19, 2007, 01:41:51 AM
Spence,

I know you can't make up rules on the spot.  That's way Coach Austin said he would like to revisit policy and change some rules.  Adding an extra day in for rain might be a good rule.

All I said was "They need to due something just in case this situation occurs in the future."

Bottom Line, Ferrum is tournament champs and has the regional bid.  Methodist is fighting for an at large bid and could care less about the conference tournament.

In the future, I would hate to see the entire tournament including Golf, Lacrosse, and Baseball called off because of weather.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on April 19, 2007, 06:14:46 AM
     I don't know about Burlington, NC but rain in VA in April is pretty common. I can't swear to this but I think it has been raining on a somewhat regular basis for oh....maybe a couple million years or so. Duh!!  :o
     I'm not trying to be a smart ass......ok, so maybe I am.  ;D I find it hard to believe that the powers that be could plan a tourn. and NOT have a better plan in case of rain. Ok, I guess it's time to stop kicking the dead horse now.  :D
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 19, 2007, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on April 19, 2007, 06:14:46 AM
     I don't know about Burlington, NC but rain in VA in April is pretty common. I can't swear to this but I think it has been raining on a somewhat regular basis for oh....maybe a couple million years or so. Duh!!  :o
     I'm not trying to be a smart ass......ok, so maybe I am.  ;D I find it hard to believe that the powers that be could plan a tourn. and NOT have a better plan in case of rain. Ok, I guess it's time to stop kicking the dead horse now.  :D

It's the USA SOUTH as long as everyone at the tournament was in good Sportsmanship, and all the fans were in good Sportsmanship, I mean who really cares if the thing was won fair and square or by a technicality.

Everyone at the tourney GOT SPORTSMANSHIP!!!!!!!!

YAY! Sportsmanship

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2007, 07:10:40 PM
Big news out of Ferrum the past couple of days...

QuoteBottom of 9th for Ferrum's Naff
The Panthers' baseball coach announces that this will be his final season, but he will remain as athletic director.

Ray Cox

You can read the rest, here:
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/113923
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 20, 2007, 07:58:42 PM
Methodist won 10-2 over Huntington

Big regional win for the monarchs, as they fight for an at-large bid
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 20, 2007, 08:17:46 PM
Here is a link to the monarch press release and box score

http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/huntingdon0420.htm

http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0420.htm
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 20, 2007, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: Hornets19 on April 20, 2007, 07:10:40 PM
Big news out of Ferrum the past couple of days...

QuoteBottom of 9th for Ferrum's Naff
The Panthers' baseball coach announces that this will be his final season, but he will remain as athletic director.

Ray Cox

You can read the rest, here:
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/113923


Will be interesting to see how things change the next couple years. Even though Hodges is a grad and has been with the program a long time, he'll probably make at least a few changes.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 20, 2007, 10:03:54 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 20, 2007, 07:58:42 PM
Methodist won 10-2 over Huntington

Big regional win for the monarchs, as they fight for an at-large bid

game story and box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/huntingdon0420.htm)

that is big news out of ferrum...

falcon...just realized you beat me to it...thanks
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 21, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
MU hosts Lynchburg in a DH on Sunday at 2 PM.  I imagine MU will come at the Hornets with full force to get a couple more regional wins.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 22, 2007, 08:38:49 PM
the monarchs go to splitsville with the hornets today - stories and box scores here (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/lynchburg0422.htm) - i think they've got to win 2 of the remaining 3 games vs. york and salisbury to have a strong chance to get a pool c bid

bisplinghoff improves to 7-0 on the season
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on April 23, 2007, 03:08:33 AM
no way in hell that ncwc gets in this year...and honestly i dont think anyone in the usas has the pitching for the series...bats yes-pitching no...good luck to those teams that make it in...i'll be back next year



why does the team that sucks almost always win the sportsmanship award?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 23, 2007, 08:25:59 AM
NCWC,

Methodist won the sportsmanship award last year.  They were also USA South Conference Champions and swept NCWC in Rocky Mount last year.

You guys did get revenge in the tournament though
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 23, 2007, 12:56:47 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 23, 2007, 08:25:59 AM
NCWC,

Methodist won the sportsmanship award last year.  They were also USA South Conference Champions and swept NCWC in Rocky Mount last year.

You guys did get revenge in the tournament though

I would call getting all way to Appelton totally redeeming ones self.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 23, 2007, 02:36:07 PM
with just 2 games left in the usasac/odac series, the usasac holds a commanding 50-19 lead - i EXPECT that ferrum will beat both ehc and roanoke this week to give the usasac an even larger lead - au (11-3), cnu (10-3), su (6-2) and mu (7-1) led the way for the usasac, but every team had a winning record against the odac
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 23, 2007, 07:38:23 PM
From an ODAC fan's perspective...it was a lean year out of conference.  At least LC held their own, relatively speaking.

Any thoughts to how yesterday's split of the MU/LC DH will affect MU's shot at a bid?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 23, 2007, 10:06:20 PM
I believe the Monarchs must win 2 of their final 3.  Their shot is also dependent on the play of York (PA) and Mary Washington down the stretch.  Both teams are Pool B teams and have a greater chance of getting selected as opposed to a Pool C team like  Methodist.



Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2007, 01:30:03 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 18, 2007, 07:16:20 PM
IMO you can't do that if there's no provision for it already in place.

Did I say they should do that for this season? Doesn't look like it.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2007, 01:43:05 AM
Quote from: Hornets19 on April 23, 2007, 07:38:23 PM
From an ODAC fan's perspective...it was a lean year out of conference.  At least LC held their own, relatively speaking.

Any thoughts to how yesterday's split of the MU/LC DH will affect MU's shot at a bid?
Niow that the handbook is out, let's look at the Regional Rankings this week and start counting the Pool C bids.

With only 5 Pool B's there are some good Pool B's falling to Pool C.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 24, 2007, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 23, 2007, 10:06:20 PM
I believe the Monarchs must win 2 of their final 3.  Their shot is also dependent on the play of York (PA) and Mary Washington down the stretch.  Both teams are Pool B teams and have a greater chance of getting selected as opposed to a Pool C team like  Methodist.
Please explain to us uneducated what is meant by Pool B vs Pool C teams.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 24, 2007, 08:49:29 AM
Using the south region teams

Pool A teams are teams with an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament
(ODAC, USA-South)

Pool B teams are teams without an automatic bid (Emory, Capital Conference Teams, Great South Conference)

Pool C teams are teams that do not get a pool B bid or a lose the conference tournament.  Some pool B teams can be moved to pool C

In last years south regional
NCWC (USA-South Automatic Bid)-Pool A
VWC (ODAC Automatic Bid)-Pool A
Salisbury- Pool B
Emory- Pool C (At-Large Bid)
Rowan- Pool C (At-Large Bid)
Bridgewater- Pool C (At-Large)

Usually the Capital Conference will get two bids.  With three teams playing well this year, they could get three
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2007, 01:30:03 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 18, 2007, 07:16:20 PM
IMO you can't do that if there's no provision for it already in place.

Did I say they should do that for this season? Doesn't look like it.

Sure looked like it to me. Maybe I misinterpreted, but your mention of the time element made it seem like you were saying that they should.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2007, 01:20:26 PM
Yeah. Don't assume. I am not so stupid as to say someone should change the rules midstream.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 24, 2007, 01:31:38 PM
ok boys...it's over (been over for a while now)...i, like coach austin, hope that the usasac examines the policy for the future


here is what ralph said on the blog
QuoteRalph Turner Says:

April 24th, 2007 at 1:49 am
My 5 Pool B's before the first Regional Rankings:

1) Chapman
2) Wash StL
3) Emory
4) St Scholastica
5) Ithaca

A "B" getting a "C" bid...

Salisbury

can't say i disagree, but would add that york and mary wash are strong "b getting c" possibilities

falcon - you forgot the scac as a south region pool a conference (or at least it was in 2006)...mu fans need to really root for rhodes to win the scac

latest abca poll (http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll42407.pdf) is out, and the monarchs drop to 29th in the country, 5t in the region

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2007, 01:33:22 PM
Yeah, I apologize for bringing up something that's a few days old, but I was out of town for a few days for a family wedding and behind on the board. I just wanted credit for not being a moron. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 24, 2007, 02:11:56 PM
the monarchs drop in the latest poll from 18 to 29 is somewhat perplexing - in some ways, i can understand it...they did go 5-2 (.714)..but that record was compiled against 6 teams that all had winning records and combined for a 157-113 (.581) record

without really examining WHO they beat, i understand these teams jumping the monarchs based upon results since the last poll:
millsaps moved from 22 to 15 after going 8-0
hopkins moved from 19 to 16 with a 10-2 record
otterbein moved from 21 to 17 with a 7-2 record
st. thomas moved from 24 to 19 with a 9-2 record
ut dallas moved from orv to 21 with a 6-0 record
ill wesleyan moved from nr to 22 with a 10-1 record
s. maine moved from nr to 26 with a 8-1 record
st. scholastica moved from nr to 27 with a 7-1 record
george fox moved from nr to 28 with a 6-0 record

but what i don't understand is how did these teams jump mu (again, haven't really examined who they might have beaten...but i will):
w&j moved from 28 to 23 with a 9-3 record (.750)
ramapo moved from 25 to 24 with a 6-3 record (.667)
rhodes moved from 30 to 25 with a 5-4 record (.556)

and spence, your boys from marietta stayed pat at #30 despite a 7-2 (.778) record  ???...seems like they should have clearly moved up with that kind of success over the last 2 weeks

if the monarchs were previously 10 spots ahead of w&j, why should they drop despite a similar winning %...if they were 7 spots ahead of ramapo, why should they drop despite a BETTER winning %...same with rhodes, who they were previously 12 spots better than?

edit: it appears that the abca is giving rhodes some well deserved credit for beating 2 top 15 teams (emory and wash u), despite a loss to trinity (19-22) and 2 losses to lagrange (25-14)...i think rhodes deserves to be a top 25 team, and they probably should be ranked ahead of the monarchs...i'm cool with this, upon further review, but...

w&j lost to 2 teams that had losing records - waynesburg (16-18-1) and capital (13-15), and their most impressive wins in the last 2 weeks were against laroche (21-13), penn state behrend (18-9) and two vs. thiel (21-12)...they also had 5 wins against teams with losing records...i don't understand why they jumped the monarchs

ramapo had good losses vs. montclair (17-14) and two vs. tcnj (24-8), but their wins were against nj city (14-18), drew (16-23), 2 vs. rowan (17-14), staten island (9-16) and john jay (13-11)...again, i don't understand why they essentially jumped over mu

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 24, 2007, 04:55:07 PM
Averett as the #8 in the South is a joke.

I mean how hard is it to get 30 wins when you are playing SouthWestern Philadelphia State A&M in mid-week games.

Not taking anything away from Averett, but #8 in the South? If Shelton is on the mound maybe there #8, but after him there isn't much, except for some guys that can swing.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 24, 2007, 04:59:44 PM
Also, more than one person ranked Tufts in the Top 30. Are you serious?

Tufts? These rankings are about useless.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
I really hope the regionals look better than these rankings.

Yeah narch, I don't get W&J moving up and being ranked ahead of us. Oh well, we play them late in the season so hopefully we'll win and prove we should have been ahead.

You might want to look at the new thread I started on the main baseball board. It's conference rankings by team ISRs from boydsworld the past three years. The ol' Dixie Conference looks pretty good.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on April 24, 2007, 07:51:42 PM
George, why is it so odd that Tufts is receiing votes? They just took 2 out of 3 from Trinity when they were #20 in the country. I'm assuming you saw them get blasted by Greensboro when they were in NC during March and think they are a weak team. Tufts is usually a top 5 New England team, so they are usually hovering somewhere around the top 35.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 24, 2007, 10:01:54 PM
If Millsaps or Rhodes win their tournament, would they be in the south regional?  It seems Millsaps is always in a different regional.

What are the chances a New Jersey Conference is put in the South regional like last year?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 26, 2007, 05:46:51 PM
Boston,

In my eyes there is no way Averett is a top 8 program in the South and there is no way Tufts is a top 30 program in the nation.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Bostonian on April 26, 2007, 09:31:37 PM
I haven't seen enough of the other top 30 to know where Tufts belongs. The only thing I know is that Tufts beat NC Wesleyan and Eastern CT last year. They also beat Methodist, VA Wesleyan, swept Trinity, and finished 25-14, yet they weren't ranked in the top 30. This year, at 17-8, they are ranked there.

I am just surprised that you know enough about the other teams ranked in the top 30 to definitively know Tufts doesn't belong there, especially because you've probably seen them play all of one game....
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 26, 2007, 10:51:30 PM
Quote from: George Foster on April 26, 2007, 05:46:51 PMthere is no way Tufts is a top 30 program in the nation.
the abca voters as a whole don't think so, either...but i have a lot of respect for their program and know they've always been competetive with mu
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 27, 2007, 02:24:41 AM
There a solid team.

I guess in a nut shell what I was trying to say is........I don't understand the rankings sometimes.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 27, 2007, 02:25:16 AM
I meant They're.

I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on April 27, 2007, 06:14:59 AM
Quote from: George Foster on April 27, 2007, 02:25:16 AM
I meant They're.

I'm an idiot.

     Come on George, don't be so hard on yourself. After all, you were a great player for the Big Red Machine......right?  Who cares if grammar isn't your best subject. ;D
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on April 27, 2007, 03:32:52 PM
This is true.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 27, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
I was surprised to see that every team in the USA South has a .500 or above overall records.   

I believe Methodist will get the nod  (Pool C bid) above the others but NC Wesleyan, Christopher Newport and Averett have all had really good seasons.   I am not surprise that nobody ran away with the conference as good as the last place team turned out to be.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 27, 2007, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 27, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
I was surprised to see that every team in the USA South has a .500 or above overall records.   
you shouldn't be...au was the only team with a losing record the previous 2 years ('05, '06), and the year before that, every team in the conference had a winning record, as well ('04)

in fact, '03 seems to be the UNCOMMON usasac/diac year, when 4 of 8 teams had losing records (although chowan was just 1 game under .500) - in '00, '01 and '02 only 2 teams had losing records

this is just a very good conference...top-to-bottom...year-in, year-out
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 28, 2007, 08:14:18 AM
Not to take away from the point that it is a very good conference, but playing so few conference games helps the overall record (assuming you win a lot of non-conference games). If they played 18 conference games, Greensboro probably wouldn't have a winning record, for example, and the lack of pitching depth for an Averett or Shenandoah might show up more as well (not that Averett would have a losing record against their schedule).

Again, not dogging anything you said. Just adding to it a bit.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on April 28, 2007, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 28, 2007, 08:14:18 AM
Not to take away from the point that it is a very good conference, but playing so few conference games helps the overall record (assuming you win a lot of non-conference games). If they played 18 conference games, Greensboro probably wouldn't have a winning record, for example, and the lack of pitching depth for an Averett or Shenandoah might show up more as well (not that Averett would have a losing record against their schedule).

Again, not dogging anything you said. Just adding to it a bit.
for 2 years (maybe 3) prior to this year the usasac did play 3 game conference series...and au was the only team with a losing record in the entire conference
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2007, 11:12:32 AM
Then we can refer to the USA South as the Baseball equivalent of the NESCAC in basketball!   :)  Surely, there must be a USA South college president trying to use that quote in marketing material.

The NESCAC only plays single round robin in basketball and manages to boost their QOWI by loading up the schedule with in-region non-conference games.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on April 28, 2007, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: narch on April 28, 2007, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 28, 2007, 08:14:18 AM
Not to take away from the point that it is a very good conference, but playing so few conference games helps the overall record (assuming you win a lot of non-conference games). If they played 18 conference games, Greensboro probably wouldn't have a winning record, for example, and the lack of pitching depth for an Averett or Shenandoah might show up more as well (not that Averett would have a losing record against their schedule).

Again, not dogging anything you said. Just adding to it a bit.
for 2 years (maybe 3) prior to this year the usasac did play 3 game conference series...and au was the only team with a losing record in the entire conference

True enough. Like I said, doesn't take away from it either way.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on April 30, 2007, 06:27:31 PM
Congratulations to Ferrum...
...host of this year's SOUTH REGIONAL.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
When is Tom Austin gonna win the big one?  All this talk about how good his teams are year in and year out, when is he gonna do it?  Methodist should consider Joe Torre once he gets fired from the Yankees.  All those wins and no national championship to show for it.  Somehow this is going to come back and bite me but seriously, win the tournament, the regional, and the world series, then maybe you can beg for at large bids.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 01, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
When is Tom Austin gonna win the big one?  All this talk about how good his teams are year in and year out, when is he gonna do it?  Methodist should consider Joe Torre once he gets fired from the Yankees.  All those wins and no national championship to show for it.  Somehow this is going to come back and bite me but seriously, win the tournament, the regional, and the world series, then maybe you can beg for at large bids.

     Many good coaches go through a career and never win the "big one". Don't know Coach Austin and am not a Methodist fan but not sure what his past accomplishments or lack there of has to do with him trying to get this years team in the NCAA tourn.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 01, 2007, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on May 01, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
When is Tom Austin gonna win the big one?  All this talk about how good his teams are year in and year out, when is he gonna do it?  Methodist should consider Joe Torre once he gets fired from the Yankees.  All those wins and no national championship to show for it.  Somehow this is going to come back and bite me but seriously, win the tournament, the regional, and the world series, then maybe you can beg for at large bids.

     Many good coaches go through a career and never win the "big one". Don't know Coach Austin and am not a Methodist fan but not sure what his past accomplishments or lack there of has to do with him trying to get this years team in the NCAA tourn.

My vote is for Abe Naff to advance.  I am not sure there has is a team who has been to the playoffs the most with not making the Championship round.  Austin can try next year, Naff cannot.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 01, 2007, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 28, 2007, 08:14:18 AM
Not to take away from the point that it is a very good conference, but playing so few conference games helps the overall record (assuming you win a lot of non-conference games). If they played 18 conference games, Greensboro probably wouldn't have a winning record, for example, and the lack of pitching depth for an Averett or Shenandoah might show up more as well (not that Averett would have a losing record against their schedule).

It makes more sense to play a limited conference schedule if playing more out of conference games get you more playoff teams.  The conference standings just seeds the teams for the tournament.

There was no dominante team this year as nobody won all but 1,2 games.  I expect narch will tell me this is typical.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
The last post was meant as a joke...the guy is great...but joe torre needs to realize that phil hughes is not better than matt desalvo who is sitting on deck for the the triple A affiliate, check it out, desalvo has better #'s
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 01, 2007, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
The last post was meant as a joke...the guy is great...but joe torre needs to realize that phil hughes is not better than matt desalvo who is sitting on deck for the the triple A affiliate, check it out, desalvo has better #'s

     Sorry NC....guess I misread your body language and voice inflection.  ;D ;D
 
     I'm with you Jim. being a Ferrum grad, I would love to see Abe go out with a good run.  8)

     
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 01, 2007, 05:19:50 PM
The problem may be that the Yankees just aren't sure what they're getting with DeSalvo right now after the very rocky year he had last year. He's got some trust to build back up.

But the point may be near at which they have no choice but to give him a shot.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 01, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
The last post was meant as a joke...the guy is great...but joe torre needs to realize that phil hughes is not better than matt desalvo who is sitting on deck for the the triple A affiliate, check it out, desalvo has better #'s
hughes pitched pretty effectively against major leaguers tonight, going 6 1/3 without allowing a hit...i think joe torre knows what he's doing

and tom austin hasn't won a national championship yet, but i don't think it takes anything away from his accomplishments...there are a LOT of great coaches who haven't won a national championship
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on May 02, 2007, 08:56:21 AM
For the doubters...

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/115357

Ferrum to host baseball regional

Ferrum College has been selected to host an NCAA Division III baseball regional May 16-20, the school announced Tuesday.

The Panthers clinched an automatic bid last month. This is the first time Ferrum's ballpark has been awarded an NCAA regional. Pairings will be announced May 14.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
Quote from: narch on May 01, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
The last post was meant as a joke...the guy is great...but joe torre needs to realize that phil hughes is not better than matt desalvo who is sitting on deck for the the triple A affiliate, check it out, desalvo has better #'s
hughes pitched pretty effectively against major leaguers tonight, going 6 1/3 without allowing a hit...i think joe torre knows what he's doing

and tom austin hasn't won a national championship yet, but i don't think it takes anything away from his accomplishments...there are a LOT of great coaches who haven't won a national championship

Hughes has great talent, no question. It's the injury to Karstens that might push DeSalvo up.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 02, 2007, 01:13:23 PM
hornets19 - thanks for the scoop - i understand that ferrum's bid was the only bid not contingent upon their team being selected (since they already had locked up a pool a bid) - it's too bad the ncaa can't wait until the selection process is complete to evaluate each bid, for lots of reasons - A) fc could be a #5 seed yet get home field advantage and B) there are places that are more appropriate venues from an accomodations/eateries/accessibility standpoint than rocky mount, va

and for the record...i wasn't doubting...just looking for confirmation
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 01:44:49 PM
Not to mention that Rocky Mount is 12 miles from Ferrum (20 minutes probably). There is practically nothing in Ferrum itself.

Yeah I'm not a big fan of a lower seed being a host either, but it happened last year in the Central.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on May 02, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
There were years when Ferrum wanted the regionals over the past 15 years...
1.  Told they could not get it b/c of no lights...so they got lights
2.  Told hotels were an issue...Rocky Mount built a couple of hotels.
3.  No excuse this time.

Perhaps this is a "lifetime acheivement award and going away gift" to Naff.  It certainly is appropriate.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 02, 2007, 06:06:56 PM
Very possible that you may be right on the reason for giving it to them. I didn't really think of that. I just hope it doesn't end up being a decision to regret.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on May 03, 2007, 12:23:30 AM
I have some kinda b.s. esp that allows me to see hughes getting hurt last night, saltamachia coming up this week to the braves, the yankees s&c coach getting dumped, the brew crew winning the series and desalvo getting called up...  Quick question for you guys, what happened between ferrum and bridgewater this year, or did they play?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on May 03, 2007, 12:28:32 AM
Quote from: narch on May 01, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 01, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
The last post was meant as a joke...the guy is great...but joe torre needs to realize that phil hughes is not better than matt desalvo who is sitting on deck for the the triple A affiliate, check it out, desalvo has better #'s
hughes pitched pretty effectively against major leaguers tonight, going 6 1/3 without allowing a hit...i think joe torre knows what he's doing

and tom austin hasn't won a national championship yet, but i don't think it takes anything away from his accomplishments...there are a LOT of great coaches who haven't won a national championship


Narch settle down again buddy, the first was meant as a joke, the second was a shameless plug for a former d3 standout, Joe knows baseball and so does Tom, its just got to suck looking at Charlie and Ernies ring every conference tournament dinner
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 03, 2007, 04:16:13 AM
Quote from: NCWC on May 03, 2007, 12:23:30 AM
I have some kinda b.s. esp that allows me to see hughes getting hurt last night, saltamachia coming up this week to the braves, the yankees s&c coach getting dumped, the brew crew winning the series and desalvo getting called up...  Quick question for you guys, what happened between ferrum and bridgewater this year, or did they play?

     Ferrum beat BC 10 to 1 and 8 to 6 this year.  8)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on May 04, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
Also everytime I go scout Methodist I wear my National Championship ring from 99 as a jab to him.
But in all seriousness Tom is a good coach and runs one of the best programs in the nation.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 04, 2007, 01:28:28 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on May 04, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
Also everytime I go scout Methodist I wear my National Championship ring from 99 as a jab to him.
But in all seriousness Tom is a good coach and runs one of the best programs in the nation.
i truly believe he'll get one...someday...hopefully soon :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 04, 2007, 11:17:09 PM
quick blurb (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=261461) about the monarchs schedule...the reporter incorrectly mentions that salisbury already has secured a bid by virtue of winning the cac...he's probably right on the already securing a bid part, but it's not because they won the cac
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 05, 2007, 02:07:30 AM
If the QOWIs are any indication, I'd have to say 2 of 3 wins will be good enough, and less than that still might be. Was doing rough QOWIs for the Mideast region, and Methodist's would be better than any of them except Otterbein (and I would assume Wooster, didn't bother with them). While some of those might go up with tournament play, Methodist's 9.6 ish number would still be pretty healthy.

But then again, the region rankings don't really follow the QOWIs that i came up with in the Mideast, so who knows.

Bottom line though, 2 of 3 I think should be good enough for Methodist.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 05, 2007, 10:03:02 PM
really nice win for the monarchs tonight - toth is an absolute bulldog and went 9 giving up just 4 hits and 1 er - the monarchs win 6-1 - now...york needs to win one against ncwc, and the monarchs need to go ahead and sweep salisbury to take all doubt out of the equation...great job boys

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2007%20Stats/mub0505.htm)

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/york0505.htm)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 07, 2007, 01:09:04 PM
i was trying to find a livestats or audio link on salisbury's website (with no luck), and i realized just how hot they've been the last few weeks, especially offensively - they beat mary wash 22-5 in the cac tournament final, they beat vjc 13-2 and they beat hopkins 21-5

the monarchs have got their work cut out today...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on May 07, 2007, 04:25:17 PM
Desalvo is on the hill tonight for the yankees....7 et espn
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 07, 2007, 06:57:40 PM
Salisbury is on fire
Sweept Methodist

beat Methodist 12-4 in game one and 7-3 in game two

As of now I would say no regionals for Methodist
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 07, 2007, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on May 07, 2007, 06:57:40 PM
Salisbury is on fire
Sweept Methodist

beat Methodist 12-4 in game one and 7-3 in game two

As of now I would say no regionals for Methodist
i hope you're wrong, but can't say i disagree....series story and box scores (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/salisbury0507.htm)

the monarchs finish 24-12 in region with a 9.58 qowi, if my calculations are correct...i just don't think either number is enough...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: h-sc bball on May 14, 2007, 12:29:43 PM
Congratulation to narch & Methodist College....one good thing is ...A new season begins and all teams start out 0-0.

Title: HOLY CONFUSING BRACKET!!!
Post by: Eh-You on May 14, 2007, 05:14:07 PM
Could this be anymore confusing or flat out dumb???

http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/NCAA-regional-07/index.htm

What ever happened to a simple 7 team double elimination bracket? If the concern is fairness - ISN'T that the reason for seeding? I'm not any type of expert but this creates all kinds of problems of not knowing when a team will play next or who they'll play against until that days games are complete.

somebody get me straight!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 05:16:16 PM
What would a "simple" double-elimination bracket for seven teams look like?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 14, 2007, 05:24:25 PM
I actually think in terms of bracketing that 7 teams is simpler than 6.

The only problem is that one team doesn't have to play in the first round and that is, at least theoretically, a big advantage.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on May 14, 2007, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 05:16:16 PM
What would a "simple" double-elimination bracket for seven teams look like?

Glad you asked!

G1 - 4/5
G2 - 6/3
G3 - 7/2

G4 W1/1
G5 W2 / W3
G6 L2/L3

G7 L1/L5
G8 L4/W6
G9 Winner's bracket final
G10 W7 / W8
G11 W10 / L9

12 and 13 - finals

Comments? 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on May 14, 2007, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 14, 2007, 05:24:25 PM
I actually think in terms of bracketing that 7 teams is simpler than 6.

The only problem is that one team doesn't have to play in the first round and that is, at least theoretically, a big advantage.

That's why they have SEEDS! If seeding isn't an advantage they should just draw numbers out of a hat.

BTW  - I'm a USAC fan and this standard bracket wouldn't help them a bit but it seems like having scenerios is crazy.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 15, 2007, 12:11:42 PM
I haven't been active on this board this year, but I do know there was/is a pro scout on the board.  I saw this high school senior pitch at my alum school in MD, Fallston High School (#8 Team Metro Poll).  A lefty that had 15 K's (7 INN game) yesterday.  14K's in a win last Monday (7 INN Game).  He is headed to Rider in the fall.  Thomas is the kids name. 71K's in 43 INN's this year.   Might want to keep an eye on this kid in the future.

Which brings me to my next point.  There is so much d3 talent up in MD, I wish schools would recruit kids up that way.  Alot of talent goes wasted up there.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 12:50:40 PM
Looks like some solid defensive baseball is being played in that South Region.

Bridgewater 9
Methodist 11
in the 5th.

a .500 team vs. an overranked team, what do you expect?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 16, 2007, 01:00:44 PM
Quote from: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 12:50:40 PM
Looks like some solid defensive baseball is being played in that South Region.

Bridgewater 9
Methodist 11
in the 5th.

a .500 team vs. an overranked team, what do you expect?
an overranked team that is still playing, though

and they're winning 13-9 after 5 1/2...

on the bright side for monarch fans...toth didn't last long, so he should be available if needed down the road in this regional
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: Eh-You on May 14, 2007, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 14, 2007, 05:24:25 PM
I actually think in terms of bracketing that 7 teams is simpler than 6.

The only problem is that one team doesn't have to play in the first round and that is, at least theoretically, a big advantage.

That's why they have SEEDS! If seeding isn't an advantage they should just draw numbers out of a hat.

BTW  - I'm a USAC fan and this standard bracket wouldn't help them a bit but it seems like having scenerios is crazy.

I know why they have seeds, but to me letting a 1 seed (who considering how badly the NCAA seeds sometimes may not be deserving) be able to play one less game in the winner's bracket is a bit much. I don't really have a better idea though, to be honest. Maybe making them play a throwaway game like they used to in Appleton with the 8 team tournament.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on May 16, 2007, 01:03:14 PM
I'm keeping track of the game here:

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=1421
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: narch on May 16, 2007, 01:00:44 PM
Quote from: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 12:50:40 PM
Looks like some solid defensive baseball is being played in that South Region.

Bridgewater 9
Methodist 11
in the 5th.

a .500 team vs. an overranked team, what do you expect?
an overranked team that is still playing, though

and they're winning 13-9 after 5 1/2...

on the bright side for monarch fans...toth didn't last long, so he should be available if needed down the road in this regional

They won't be playing for much longer. Wait till you have to play a team that hasn't lost 21 games.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 01:10:45 PM
18-9 and not even the 7th inning stretch.

What a joke.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 16, 2007, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 01:04:18 PM
They won't be playing for much longer. Wait till you have to play a team that hasn't lost 21 games.

you mean emory?...been there, done that, and faired pretty well...losing 3-2, 3-2 at emory

i'm not predicting the monarchs will win this region (in fact, i think salisbury will), but the fact of the matter is that i don't think they'll be intimidated by any team in this region...first they've got to get by a pesky bridgewater team...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 16, 2007, 03:07:34 PM
the overrated monarchs will now face either emory or b'water on thursday after a 21-14 win...it's not about playing pretty baseball, it's about surviving and advancing
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 16, 2007, 03:23:33 PM
Last team I ever expected to slug out a win in the first round whilst giving up 14 runs.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 16, 2007, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 16, 2007, 03:23:33 PM
Last team I ever expected to slug out a win in the first round whilst giving up 14 runs.
you're not the only one...i'm not sure i thought methodist would score 21 runs in the entire regional, let alone one game
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on May 16, 2007, 08:11:43 PM
21-14? Did the clock run out before Bridgewater could score another touchdown?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on May 16, 2007, 08:52:49 PM
Congrats to the Panthers for making it a good day for the USASAC teams.  Still shaking my head over the BC-MU game.  19 hits and lose...and trying to figure out with 6 errors, how 19 of the MU runs can be earned.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 17, 2007, 08:36:15 AM
ferrum got a nice cg effort from cooper to start the tournament...really sets up their pitching well - they've still got holm and garner, who ranked 1/2 for ferrum in starts on the season as well as a rested bullpen - that's huge for them

it looks like everyone is struggling with the tournament format as the ferrum regional site says mu will play the loser of the bc/emory game...of course, this would be true if bc wins, but not if emory wins
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 17, 2007, 12:22:33 PM
looks like the monarchs will face emory tonight after emory wins 10-1 - i imagine the monarchs will get the emory ace, glushon, since their #2, ganzer pitched vs. b'water this morning - kelly should go for the monarchs - this will be a re-match of the first game between these teams earlier this season - i just hope the monarch bats continue to stay hot and the monarch pitching shows up...

b'water pitching got HAMMERED to the tune of 31 runs (26 er) over 2 games
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 17, 2007, 01:23:12 PM
Huge game for both teams. Arguably even more important for Emory because they don't look to have the pitching depth to come back through the loser's bracket. If Ferrum wins today, they look really good to win this thing; even if they don't win today, the longer they can keep fighting the more dangerous they are.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 17, 2007, 10:42:09 PM
the panthers are in really nice shape...and the monarchs need a HUGE rally, down 9-3 in the 8th...defense has let mu down, with 4 errors and 5 unearned runs...need some late innings magic
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jeff Gamber on May 18, 2007, 01:34:03 PM
what is the score of the game now between Emory and Ferrum
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2007, 01:35:40 PM
Ferrum's site shows this game as not having started, and the live stats on Ferrum's site halted in the seventh inning of the CAC rematch.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 18, 2007, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: Jeff Gamber on May 18, 2007, 01:34:03 PM
what is the score of the game now between Emory and Ferrum

http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Baseball/NCAA-regional-07/index.htm

No Score Top Of 3rd.

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 18, 2007, 04:53:05 PM
Quote from: narch on May 17, 2007, 10:42:09 PM
the panthers are in really nice shape...

scratch that...emory is in really nice shape...i thought the panthers would get them today (also thought that su would beat ycp...what do i know) - whoever wins the game tonight will have to win 2 on saturday, using lower rotation guys (or upper rotation guys on short rest)...winning a 7 team tournament from the losers bracket seems almost impossible - i'd love to see some stats on that...i'd be willing to bet that less than 25% of tournaments are won from the losers bracket

i hope the monarchs have another win vs. york up their sleeves - i like bisplinghoff...i hope he pitches to his potential and the defense plays better than they did last night - gettting another crack at ferrum for a shot at the championship would be sweet, but york can really shut teams down when their pitching is on
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 18, 2007, 10:00:15 PM
ok...rooting for the panthers now...

nice season monarchs...this team clearly got everything out of their talent, and should be very solid next year, as well...that pitching will all be a year older and more talented - cates will be back - gotta find some offensive firepower to replace hunt and spivey, but i like what the monarchs have going
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2007, 08:24:11 PM
Ferrum-Emory tied 5-5 in the 12th. Ferrum is the visiting team and is threatening.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2007, 08:40:22 PM
Ferrum now up 11-5. Looks like the biggest game ever played in Ferrum will be that for about 20 minutes, before the new biggest game ever played in Ferrum starts.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: mideastfan on May 19, 2007, 08:46:14 PM
will they play the winner take all game tonihgt, or wait until tomorrow b/c Ferrum has already played 2 games today?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 19, 2007, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: mideastfan on May 19, 2007, 08:46:14 PM
will they play the winner take all game tonihgt, or wait until tomorrow b/c Ferrum has already played 2 games today?

       WOW!!!! Playing tomorrow at noon. GO PANTHERS!!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 19, 2007, 08:59:52 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on May 19, 2007, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: mideastfan on May 19, 2007, 08:46:14 PM
will they play the winner take all game tonihgt, or wait until tomorrow b/c Ferrum has already played 2 games today?

       WOW!!!! Playing tomorrow at noon. GO PANTHERS!!

      I thought the Panthers were in trouble when Emory tied it in the bottom of the ninth. Way to hang tough Panthers.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2007, 09:06:36 PM
Sorry about that. Didn't realize the Panthers had played twice today.

Brett Thomas is the real deal. I think he should get strong player of the year consideration and not just because I saw him in high school.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 19, 2007, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: Spence on May 19, 2007, 09:06:36 PM
Sorry about that. Didn't realize the Panthers had played twice today.

Brett Thomas is the real deal. I think he should get strong player of the year consideration and not just because I saw him in high school.

     It was obvious Emory didn't want to pitch to him today. He walked 5 times.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 19, 2007, 11:11:36 PM
Recommended him to Marietta, but he went to Danville Community College out of high school for a year then hooked on at Ferrum. I actually thought he'd end up pitching even though he could swing it then too. Great talent.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 20, 2007, 08:32:10 PM
congrats to ferrum and emory...the panthers surely gave the eagles everything they could handle

ferrum might be the most underrated team in the country...how did that team lose that many games?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: allsky7 on May 21, 2007, 09:07:45 AM
     Anybody have any thoughts on why Coach Naff didn't pinch hit at any point yesterday? Emory PH a few times with pretty good success. Two of their three got on base. Harrell and Heatwole for Ferrum struggled yesterday. They were 0 for 12 combined. I know it is hard to get the full picture from the game play by play and the box score but it seemed like a couple of times, there was an opportunity to give someone else a shot. Harrell did hit the ball Sat. but Heatwole did not. Maybe these guys are great defensive players, maybe they have gotten it done all year and Coach Naff was going to live and die with them, or perhaps he just didn't feel like he had anyone on the bench that could step up. This is certainly not intented as a criticism of Coach Naff or either player. Just curious if anyone out there had any thoughts. 
     Congrats to the Panthers for a heck of a run. Oh so close!! Best of luck to Emory at the CWS as well.  8)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 21, 2007, 01:15:56 PM
Anyone care to chime in with takes on Emory's matchup with a Wisconsin squad this coming Friday?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 23, 2007, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on May 21, 2007, 01:15:56 PM
Anyone care to chime in with takes on Emory's matchup with a Wisconsin squad this coming Friday?
their top 2 pitchers are legit, and they will keep emory in any game they are pitching
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on May 25, 2007, 05:02:13 AM
Sweet Brett Thomas drops 15 bombs, hits .387, steals 26 bases.

I'm Wesleyan biased but Brett Thomas is at least a 2nd team All American, if not first team. Was the guys that picked this team all dining in the Midwest and up in the Northeast when picking it.

Brett Thomas being an Honerable Mention in one of the toughest conferences in D-3 baseball and putting up numbers like he did makes these picks to me void and short of a joke. Maybe the ABCA will see it differently. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on May 25, 2007, 07:41:17 AM
Quote from: George Foster on May 25, 2007, 05:02:13 AM
Sweet Brett Thomas drops 15 bombs, hits .387, steals 26 bases.

I'm Wesleyan biased but Brett Thomas is at least a 2nd team All American, if not first team. Was the guys that picked this team all dining in the Midwest and up in the Northeast when picking it.

Brett Thomas being an Honerable Mention in one of the toughest conferences in D-3 baseball and putting up numbers like he did makes these picks to me void and short of a joke. Maybe the ABCA will see it differently. 
for once, you and i agree, george...thomas' numbers are far more impressive than the 2nd teamer, konicek and every bit as impressive (if not more) than the 3rd teamer, David....


Pos    Name, School     AVG     R    H    2B    3B     HR     RBI     SB-ATT  FLD%    
   
3B    Tony Konicek, GAC .452    38    56    15    5    10    55    4-7    .857    
3B    Derek David, McM   .390    57    73    24    2    7    61    1-1    .930    
3B    Brett Thomas, FC    .387    51    72    10    3    15    65    26-29    .871    
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2007, 09:01:05 AM
I haven't checked all of the ABCA regional teams for good 3B's, but one can make a better case for Hardin-Simmons' Brad Coleman on defense.

Let's use another statistic on Fielding quality, the number of chances in which an error occurs.  This divides the numerator (E) into all chances (PO + A + E).

Derek David for McM -- 81 PO + 66 A + 11 E divided by 11 E = one error every 14.4 chances but a .930 Fielding %.

Brad Thomas for Ferrum -- 29 PO + 113 A + 21 E divided by 21 E = one error every 7.8 chances.

Pos    Name, School     AVG     R    H    2B    3B     HR     RBI     SB-ATT  FLD%     
   
3B    Tony Konicek, GAC .452    38    56    15    5    10    55    4-7    .857     
3B    Derek David, McM   .390    57    73    24    2    7    61    1-1    .930     
3B    Brett Thomas, FC    .387    51    72    10    3    15    65    26-29    .871 

3B    Brad Coleman HSU  .357   41    65    15      0     6    41   0-2   .973

Let me make the case for Brad Coleman. (26 PO + 81 A + 3 E = 110 chances divided 3 errors  = 1 error every 36.7 chances)  He had to be among the 4 best 3B's in Division III.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 25, 2007, 09:35:50 AM
Defensively, absolutely.

Offensively, not even close.

I made the case for Brett Thomas on the thread on the main baseball board. It's a tough choice between the three but I think the level of competition is a difference maker between Konicek and Thomas, and Thomas' numbers are slightly better than David's (though if you look at total extra base hits David has more, so I can see the counter argument there.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Eh-You on May 26, 2007, 09:20:39 AM
Let me preface this by saying that I DID NOT see any of this - I'm going off what i've been told - but Thomas' defense got Ferrum beat in the South Region Championship game and almost got them beat the game before. All Americans make plays in big games, not errors. I don't know if the regional tournament stats were taken into consideration or not.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on May 26, 2007, 10:39:30 AM
Thomas made 4 errors in the championship game, but I believe none of them led to runs. Someone might want to check me on that.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 29, 2007, 10:31:10 AM
Well, well. What goes around comes around. Props to Emory! Though UW-Stevens Point's Zimmermann shuts Emory out in Game 1, Emory comes back in an elimination game with 2 big innings to get even and knock the Pointers out of contention yesterday.

This poster's got a feeling Emory will give Kean all it can handle.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on June 02, 2007, 04:03:05 AM
Any thoughts on who the standard five division 3 kids are going to be getting drafted this year ( all around the country)?  And who do you guys think are going to lead their respective teams in the USA dixie south next year?   Of those 3baggers discussed who had more walks? IBB? I wouldnt pitch to thomas.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 03, 2007, 09:15:10 AM
I'd expect far more than five. In 2005 we had seven on the first day alone, 23 total.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2005/06/08/draftees-who-play-hardball/
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on June 06, 2007, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: NCWC on June 02, 2007, 04:03:05 AM
Any thoughts on who the standard five division 3 kids are going to be getting drafted this year ( all around the country)?  And who do you guys think are going to lead their respective teams in the USA dixie south next year?   Of those 3baggers discussed who had more walks? IBB? I wouldnt pitch to thomas.

Jordan Zimmerman will get drafted.  I think the USA south has a shot w/ Chris Pecora getting drafted.   Burgess or Maloney will probably not be drafted, Burgess is to old at 23 to have no position and Maloney is a 5:30 hitter.  Brett Thomas has a outside chance.  Two kids from VA Welsyan have a outside chance RHP and Catcher.  Cortland State has Jimmy Dougher and couple other guys who have a shot.  Keystone College has a lefty who may get drafted.  The catcher from College of New Jersey will get drafted. 
Just off the top of my head those are the guys in D3 that have a chance to get drafted. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on June 07, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on June 06, 2007, 04:33:55 PMI think the USA south has a shot w/ Chris Pecora getting drafted...Brett Thomas has a outside chance. 
i'd take a late round flier on thomas and see if i could make him an outfielder...that speed/power combo is nice, and the kid hits in the clutch

pecora is ripping the cover off the ball with the wood bat in the cpl...he's hitting .484 with 14 rbi and 4 sb's in the first 7 games for fayetteville - i know the cpl isn't the cape cod, but there are some pretty legit players in that league, and it's not a league known to be hitter friendly
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on June 14, 2007, 07:13:49 PM
narch, didnt verlander play in the cpl?

CATFISH:
Im not to sure about how the draft works, does pecora have the chance to be drafted higher next year by another team? or do the mariners have the rights to him next year also?

What do you think of matt smiths chances next year?  kinda like a randy winn type player,  could he be converted to an INF in the minors?

Also, would Blake Rice and Ben Pearson be called by an independant team or would they have to go to a try out?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 15, 2007, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: NCWC on June 14, 2007, 07:13:49 PM

CATFISH:
Im not to sure about how the draft works, does pecora have the chance to be drafted higher next year by another team? or do the mariners have the rights to him next year also?


You have until the player goes back to school or the day before the next draft.

If Pecora returns next fall he will certainly be eligilble for the draft by any team at any round.  You have your greatest levearge in a bonus negotiation as a Jr since you have the option of returning to school. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2007, 12:58:13 PM
Actually I think the new MLB draft rules cut off the signing date at Aug. 15 or somewhere in there.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 15, 2007, 02:45:48 PM
I also remember that a contact needs to be offered in a specific amount of time.....but then again Pat is right.  it is best to check the rules since the rules change all the time.


From: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/draftday/rules.jsp


Official Rules

The Major League Baseball First-Year Player Draft is held every year in June by conference call among the 30 Major League Clubs. The Clubs take turns selecting players in reverse order of their won-lost records at the close of the previous regular season. The order of selection is without regard to League.

The Major League Rules govern which players are eligible for selection in the Draft. These Rules are detailed, but the basic eligibility criteria can be described as follows: Generally, a player is eligible for selection if the player is a resident of the United States or Canada and the player has never before signed a Major League or Minor League contract. Residents of Puerto Rico and other territories of the United States are eligible for the Draft. Also considered residents are players who enroll in a high school or college in the United States, regardless of where they are from originally.

Certain groups of players are ineligible for selection, generally because they are still in school. The basic categories of players eligible to be drafted are:

    * High school players, if they have graduated from high school and have not yet attended college or junior college;
    * College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old; and
    * Junior college players, regardless of how many years of school they have completed

A Club generally retains the rights to sign a selected player until 11:59 PM (EDT) August 15, or until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college on a full-time basis. A player who is drafted and does not sign with the Club that selected him may be drafted again at a future year's Draft, so long as the player is eligible for that year's Draft. A Club may not select a player again in a subsequent year, unless the player has consented to the re-selection.

A player who is eligible to be selected and is passed over by every Club becomes a free agent and may sign with any Club until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college full-time or enters, or returns to, a junior college.

This description is a general one and the Major League Rules themselves, not this summary, govern eligibility issues. Players and coaches with questions about particular players are referred to the Baseball Operations Department at the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on June 18, 2007, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: NCWC on June 14, 2007, 07:13:49 PM
narch, didnt verlander play in the cpl?

CATFISH:
Im not to sure about how the draft works, does pecora have the chance to be drafted higher next year by another team? or do the mariners have the rights to him next year also?

What do you think of matt smiths chances next year?  kinda like a randy winn type player,  could he be converted to an INF in the minors?

Also, would Blake Rice and Ben Pearson be called by an independant team or would they have to go to a try out?

Well it looks like the 1st question was asked nicely.  Though I am surprised he dropped so low.  We had him slotted around the 20th round and he fell to 33rd to Seattle. 
I think matt smith has a outside chance of being picked up by a team next year.  Smith grades out Average.  If he were a bit faster or a bit stronger he would be a prospect. 

Blake and Ben would have to tryout for a Indy team.  Neither lights up the radar gun and they would have to show thier stuff to a team.  But I think either one would have sucess with a indy team if given a chance.  both just happen to fall under the stigma of being soft tossing righties and those a dime a dozen. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on June 19, 2007, 07:21:55 AM
Catfish, was just up in NC this past week, hotter there than in florida.  A couple more questions for you.  I know Fox at unc was at wesleyan but what about the pitching coach for unc, Forbes, I think his name is?

Did you ever get to see John Tejada pitch for NCWC? We both gave it hell in 04 but got shutdown a quarter into the season.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on June 19, 2007, 08:51:31 AM
Quote from: NCWC on June 19, 2007, 07:21:55 AM
Catfish, was just up in NC this past week, hotter there than in florida.  A couple more questions for you.  I know Fox at unc was at wesleyan but what about the pitching coach for unc, Forbes, I think his name is?

Did you ever get to see John Tejada pitch for NCWC? We both gave it hell in 04 but got shutdown a quarter into the season.

Scott Forbes only coached one year at Wesleyan in 98.  He was a Student assitant that year and followed Coach Fox to UNC to be a graduate assitant and is now a full time coach. 
I only show Tejeda pitch his frist year at NCWC when I still lived in Rocky Mount.  But that was before I became a scout. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on June 19, 2007, 10:25:41 PM
pecora is still lighting it up for the swampdogs...rumor has it that seattle asked him to continue in the cpl before they determined what kind of contract they would offer...is this common catfish?  could pecora get, say 20th round money if they, like you guys, had him slotted that high and they like what they see in the cpl?  is there a ton of difference between 20th and 33rd round money?

it seems to me that the mariners would want to get him into their system, seeing minor league pitching asap...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on June 20, 2007, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: narch on June 19, 2007, 10:25:41 PM
pecora is still lighting it up for the swampdogs...rumor has it that seattle asked him to continue in the cpl before they determined what kind of contract they would offer...is this common catfish?  could pecora get, say 20th round money if they, like you guys, had him slotted that high and they like what they see in the cpl?  is there a ton of difference between 20th and 33rd round money?

it seems to me that the mariners would want to get him into their system, seeing minor league pitching asap...

We were going to do the same thing.  Follow him through the summer.  It is very common for the higher college draft picks for a team to follow them through the summer and then determine if they are going to sign them.  Now that you have no more Draft and Follow JUCO players due to the August 15th signing deadline this practice will happen a lot more for college players. 
But I can only say that Pecora has helped himself with way he is hitting the ball in the CPL.
Bonus wise once you start getting out the top 20 rounds must bonuses will be between $10000-$20000 for the most part.  Those who get money probably dropped that far due to signability questions before the draft. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on July 11, 2007, 12:40:11 PM
Pat Burgess Signed a Pro Baseball Deal

Greensboro College's Pat Burgess Inks Pro Baseball Deal

Former Greensboro College baseball player Pat Burgess (Sunnyvale, Calif../Freemont) has agreed to terms to play for the Herkimer Trailbusters of the independent New York State League.

Burgess, who gradauted in May, batted .333 with 30 RBI for The Pride in 2007. For the second straight year, Burgess was picked to the USA South first team. He also stole 12-13 bases for GC, which finished the year 20-20.

In 2006, he was a first team All-Region pick for The Pride. He hit .327 with 14 home runs and 58 RBI and was also selected to the USAS Tournament Team. The '06 team went 27-16 and tied a program record for wins. Burgess played outfield and third base for GC.

"This is exciting news for Pat and for our program," said Pride Head Coach Ken Carlyle. "Not surprisingly, he's being used as a catcher. Pat has many of the skills the major leagues are looking for and he works extremely hard."

Burgess becomes the second Greensboro College baseball player to play in the professional ranks. Pitcher A.J. Siriani '97 played for Adirondack in the Northern League.

The four-team New York State League (http://www.nystateleague.com) is a professional league for first-year players who have exhausted their college eligibility. The season begins on July 3 and culminates with the league's championship game on August 31.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on July 13, 2007, 01:44:22 PM
that's good news for burgess - it will be interesting how he adjusts behind the plate...catcher is a tough position to play on a daily basis if you've never done it extensively - blocking balls, reading hitters, calling a game - those things aren't exactly intuitive for most non-catchers

he certainly has the kind of bat you'd like to see from that position, but i've always felt that a good catcher should save you more runs than he produces (probably because i was a light-hitting defensive minded catcher myself, and therefore somewhat biased :))
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on July 13, 2007, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: narch on July 13, 2007, 01:44:22 PM
that's good news for burgess - it will be interesting how he adjusts behind the plate...catcher is a tough position to play on a daily basis if you've never done it extensively - blocking balls, reading hitters, calling a game - those things aren't exactly intuitive for most non-catchers

he certainly has the kind of bat you'd like to see from that position, but i've always felt that a good catcher should save you more runs than he produces (probably because i was a light-hitting defensive minded catcher myself, and therefore somewhat biased :))

that is indeed good news for Burgess....Narch help me with the article below....how many bases did he steal? 12 or 13? or somewhere in between?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on July 14, 2007, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on July 13, 2007, 05:18:11 PMthat is indeed good news for Burgess....Narch help me with the article below....how many bases did he steal? 12 or 13? or somewhere in between?
'85...you've let me down...that's 12 OF 13 (or 12 in 13 attempts)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on July 16, 2007, 04:27:04 PM
Congrats to Chris Pecora of NCWC and Kenny Moreland of CNU for being selected to the Coastal Plain League All-Star Game.  This is an outstanding honor.  Pecora who plays for the Fayetteville Swampdogs will represent the American team.  Moreland who plays for the Peninsula Pilots will represent the National team. 

Here is what the Swampdogs website has said about Pecora.

Chris Pecora, the 33rd round pick of the Seattle Mariners, has been one of the top players in the entire league.  He is currently second in the league in batting average (.366), second in the league in RBIs (32) and third in the league in stolen bases (17).  Pecora has also done a remarkable job right field, recording nine assists, which is certainly a league best.  The NC Wesleyan star has been extremely durable as well, starting in 32 of Fayetteville's 34 games.

Here is what the Pilots website has said about Moreland

Moreland, who is Peninsula's career record holder with 36 appearances and 17 saves, is third in the league with 12 games finished and seven saves.  The junior is 1-0 with a 1.35 ERA in 14 appearances on the mound.  In addition, he has recorded 27 strikeouts in 20.0 innings of work, while holding opponents to a team-leading .157 batting average.





Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on July 16, 2007, 11:24:24 PM
i hope pecora signs with seattle :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on July 17, 2007, 07:56:44 PM
Narch,

I hope Pecora signs and Moreland transfers :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on July 18, 2007, 08:10:53 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on July 17, 2007, 07:56:44 PM
Narch,

I hope Pecora signs and Moreland transfers :)
maybe catfish can convince the braves to sign moreland as a free agent...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on July 18, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: narch on July 18, 2007, 08:10:53 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on July 17, 2007, 07:56:44 PM
Narch,

I hope Pecora signs and Moreland transfers :)
maybe catfish can convince the braves to sign moreland as a free agent...

Narch do you only want us to sign him because you don't want to face him next year.  He does have a outside chance of being drafted late next year or signing after the draft next year but sorry to say we are all going to have to face him again next year.   
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on July 18, 2007, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on July 16, 2007, 04:27:04 PM
Congrats to Chris Pecora of NCWC and Kenny Moreland of CNU for being selected to the Coastal Plain League All-Star Game.  This is an outstanding honor.  Pecora who plays for the Fayetteville Swampdogs will represent the American team.  Moreland who plays for the Peninsula Pilots will represent the National team. 

Here is what the Swampdogs website has said about Pecora.

Chris Pecora, the 33rd round pick of the Seattle Mariners, has been one of the top players in the entire league.  He is currently second in the league in batting average (.366), second in the league in RBIs (32) and third in the league in stolen bases (17).  Pecora has also done a remarkable job right field, recording nine assists, which is certainly a league best.  The NC Wesleyan star has been extremely durable as well, starting in 32 of Fayetteville's 34 games.

Here is what the Pilots website has said about Moreland

Moreland, who is Peninsula's career record holder with 36 appearances and 17 saves, is third in the league with 12 games finished and seven saves.  The junior is 1-0 with a 1.35 ERA in 14 appearances on the mound.  In addition, he has recorded 27 strikeouts in 20.0 innings of work, while holding opponents to a team-leading .157 batting average.








Not bad for a bunch of D3 guys.  Also you have Matt Smith leading the league in hitting and he didn't even make the All-Star team.  Go USA South. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on July 28, 2007, 02:03:13 PM
I really liked CNU this year until Kyle Baumann apparently was injured or something (never could find out exactly what happened, but he had 7 starts early and then nothing).

Does anyone know if he's going to be back this year?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: mustang19 on August 02, 2007, 06:40:53 AM
Blake Rice (NCW) is playing for the Macon Music in the South Coast League and Brett Thomas (Ferrum) is playing for the Orange County Flyers in the Golden Baseball League.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on August 04, 2007, 06:57:25 PM
   Bauman suffered a serious arm injury while making a pickoff move in a game. He immediately put his arm down, called for help, and that was it. I understand it required surgery, and don't know if he'll be able to throw this year.  At the time, late spring, the understanding was rehab might take a year, but haven't heard anything since then.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on August 10, 2007, 04:34:50 PM
Who is going to take it down this year?  I know it will start in the fall with the Wesleyan football team.  Who's got the best bats, gloves, pitching staff?
Title: Travis Beazley
Post by: GoldGlove on August 14, 2007, 11:19:45 AM
Has anyone noticed how well former R-MC pitcher Travis Beazley is doing in proball?  He is going off, winning five of his first six starts since being promoted last month to High-A.  He recently had a 19 inning scoreless streak and was just named California League Pitcher of the week.  He is giving a great name to the ODAC, the South Region and for that matter DIII baseball.  I would say that R-MC baseball is back on the map!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on August 15, 2007, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: hokieone on August 04, 2007, 06:57:25 PM
   Bauman suffered a serious arm injury while making a pickoff move in a game. He immediately put his arm down, called for help, and that was it. I understand it required surgery, and don't know if he'll be able to throw this year.  At the time, late spring, the understanding was rehab might take a year, but haven't heard anything since then.

Yikes...that sounds awful. Good luck to him and thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Travis Beazley
Post by: narch on August 15, 2007, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: GoldGlove on August 14, 2007, 11:19:45 AMI would say that R-MC baseball is back on the map!
8-10 odac/19-20 overall...yeah, i guess that's "on the map"...newark, nj is "on the map", too, but i don't see people flocking to move there :)

sounds like beazley is having great success, though, and i ALWAYS root for d3 guys in the pros
Title: Re: Travis Beazley
Post by: GoldGlove on August 15, 2007, 05:52:44 PM
Are you kidding me, narch?  I simply posted a nice note about a DIII player having success, and the fact that Randolph-Macon, a program that has been the joke of the ODAC for years, was actually back playing competitive baseball, and you have to respond in that manner?  If you want to go there, we can....last time I checked the only Monarch playing proball is on the same team as the Beazley kid and has over a 6.00 ERA.  I know Tom Austin has been at Methodist for centuries, but from your team history it seems like he inherited a much better situation when he took over decades ago than what the guy at R-MC took over two years ago. As someone who has played and is familiar with both leagues (ODAC and USAS), I can tell you that R-MC is a team that now can compete with anyone in this region.  I think they might even have been above .500 against the USA South last year. They may not be at the level of Methodist, Emory, VWC and Bridgewater year in and year out, but they seem well on their way.  Next time, try not to be so negative....makes you seem insecure. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on August 15, 2007, 08:03:11 PM
The ODAC has their own little section, the ODAC is an enemy of the USAS, post it there, did you expect people to throw a parade for him?


Where is Randolph Macon?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on August 15, 2007, 09:22:34 PM
goldglove - first off, the smiley face is there for a reason...mostly to indicate that i'm being a bit of a smart-ass and joking around a little...i like to rib you odac guys who think that your teams play in a real conference :)

BUT....if you truly think that tom austin "inherited" a program that was in better shape than the rmc program, think again:

in 1980 tom austin became the head coach of an 11 year old program at a 20 year old school that was in very real danger of closing because of financial struggles and low enrollment...not exactly the ideal recipe for great baseball success, and something i GUARANTEE the rmc coaching staff knows NOTHING about - bruce shelly had done a fine job of starting the methodist baseball program, posting a winning record in 6 consecutive seasons (after winning 11 games in the first three years of existence), but this was still a young program and school in EVERY way - tom austin went 25-9 in his first year and has NEVER had a losing season, or for that matter, won less than 22 games (and that "horrible" season with a .595 winning percentage was in his second year as head coach) - that kind of sustained success doesn't just happen and isn't "inherited" - as someone who has played and is familiar with both leagues as you say you are, i would expect you to understand how difficult it is to win year-in, year-out, especially in a conference like the usasac

last i checked, having players in professional baseball had little to do with producing winning collegiate teams, especially on the d3 level - it's nice when you get a guy who plays beyond college, but that's not the point of methodist baseball...oh yeah...there are a couple of former monarchs playing some indy league ball, as well (david hoffman and ryan brandt)

...and i acknowledged the "nice note about a dIII player having success" and said that i was rooting for him

you can now remove your panties from the wad that they're in :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 15, 2007, 10:18:06 PM

The ODAC has their own little section, the ODAC is an enemy of the USAS, post it there, did you expect people to throw a parade for him?

You are right.  I am sorry for getting in your business over here with USAS. Just trying to get some love for a South Region guy who is representing.....even if he is from the hated ODAC.


Where is Randolph Macon?

Richmond, VA
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on August 16, 2007, 09:05:54 AM
Quote from: GoldGlove on August 15, 2007, 10:18:06 PM



Where is Randolph Macon?

Richmond, VA
Macon is in Ashland, VA. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: narch on August 15, 2007, 09:22:34 PM
goldglove - first off, the smiley face is there for a reason...mostly to indicate that i'm being a bit of a smart-ass and joking around a little...i like to rib you odac guys who think that your teams play in a real conference :)

sorry to have offended you

BUT....if you truly think that tom austin "inherited" a program that was in better shape than the rmc program, think again:

in 1980 tom austin became the head coach of an 11 year old program at a 20 year old school that was in very real danger of closing because of financial struggles and low enrollment...not exactly the ideal recipe for great baseball success, and something i GUARANTEE the rmc coaching staff knows NOTHING about -

You are right......but then again RMC has always had a strong reputation.  I would actually think the struggling enrollment helped build up the baseball program b/c it enabled Coach Austin to get anyone he wanted in school.  Infact, isn't that still somewhat the case today?  Isn't your assistant coach paid to bring in X amount of players to fill spots both for the school and for your "JV" team?  Everyone knows that most of the USAS schools, including Methodist, are enrollment driven. Acadademic and financial stability doesn't seem to be an issue for RMC.

bruce shelly had done a fine job of starting the methodist baseball program, posting a winning record in 6 consecutive seasons (after winning 11 games in the first three years of existence), but this was still a young program and school in EVERY way - tom austin went 25-9 in his first year and has NEVER had a losing season, or for that matter, won less than 22 games (and that "horrible" season with a .595 winning percentage was in his second year as head coach) - that kind of sustained success doesn't just happen and isn't "inherited" - as someone who has played and is familiar with both leagues as you say you are, i would expect you to understand how difficult it is to win year-in, year-out, especially in a conference like the usasac.

I never argued Coach Austin's credentials.  His record and success speaks for itself.  Coach Austin did, however, inherit a team that in 1977 won 27 games, a conference championship, and appeared in the NCAA tournament.  Now, I realize that in '78 and '79 the teams came back down to earth, but they still were a .500 team that had been at high level with Coach Shelley.  Those 1977 freshman were seniors in 1980 when Coach Austin led them to a 25-9 record.  So it's not like them cupboard was bare.  Coach Austin has certainly sustained a well repsected program, but as you well know, once programs get rolling and gain a reputation for success, they pretty much can run themselves with the right guidance. Still, to win as consistently as he has, against the likes of Mike Fox, Abe Naff, John Harvell.....he does deserve credit for keeping pace in the top four year in and year out.

Now lets look at RMC.  Coach Hendrick took over a program in 2005 that went 10-28 and 2-16 in the "Lowly" ODAC.  The year before that, 6-22 and 3-15 in the league.  From what I can tell, Macon went double digit years without a winning record.  I don't even know if RMC has ever won the ODAC.  Talk about nothing to work with! I played against RMC in 2004 and they were worse than a HS JV team.  I also played against them in 2005 and 2006 after Coach Hendirck arrived.....NIGHT and DAY.  Now he has no business being compared to Coach Austin at this point, nor does his team, but you can't sneeze at what he has done in a short amount of time at RMC.  They may not be as strong 1-9 as most teams, but I can tell you that they are well on their way and should be competing for conference and regional level championships down the road.


last i checked, having players in professional baseball had little to do with producing winning collegiate teams, especially on the d3 level - it's nice when you get a guy who plays beyond college, but that's not the point of methodist baseball...oh yeah...there are a couple of former monarchs playing some indy league ball, as well (david hoffman and ryan brandt)

Disagree with you on this point.  You obvioulsy need some talent to play at the next level, and if you have several guys in your college program who have that ability, your team should be pretty succesful.  Look at the 1999 NCWC pitching staff....at least two or three of those guys had a chance to play some form of proball....NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!  Look at Emory, look at Kean.  Kids want to be in a program that they believe will give them a chance to play proball, regardless of the division.  That is why I chose my school.  So by saying "That's not the point of methodist baseball," are you saying that Coach Austin in his recruiting spill doesn't talk about all those from Methodist who have had the chance to play at the next level?  Having been recruited way back when by Coach Austin, I can tell you he does.

...and i acknowledged the "nice note about a dIII player having success" and said that i was rooting for him

Thanks!

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: SamuelAdams on August 16, 2007, 01:17:58 PM
Can't we just all throw the olive branch of peace and move forward with this.

With regards to the proball and DIII program relationship, it is huge that Macon's pitcher is doing so well because that he will help future recruitment down the line for kids who want to play DIII ball but see it can lead to proball, so good for Macon and Beazley. On the broader scheme of things, it is great for DIII because it can be a stepping stone for the next level.

And no matter what the talent of the player is when he arrives to play at school, especially a DIII one, the coaching staff will help develop that player and deserves some credit if a player plays at the next level.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 01:25:18 PM
I am with SamuelAdams.....time to move on. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: hokieone on August 16, 2007, 07:31:27 PM
His name is "Hedrick", not "Hendrick". Coach Hedrick is a very good baseball man. He came into a situation where players would miss practices for Greek functions, no off season program, etc., so it'll take a while, but I suspect he'll develop a very good program. Good location to recruit (close to Richmond), well-respected academic school, wealthy alumni. It could work. He's a very personable guy and will recruit well. If my guys weren't where they are (CNU), RMC would be my second choice.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on August 16, 2007, 09:52:36 PM
Quote from: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 10:42:33 AMsorry to have offended you
none taken

Quote from: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 10:42:33 AMI would actually think the struggling enrollment helped build up the baseball program b/c it enabled Coach Austin to get anyone he wanted in school.  Infact, isn't that still somewhat the case today?  Isn't your assistant coach paid to bring in X amount of players to fill spots both for the school and for your "JV" team?  Everyone knows that most of the USAS schools, including Methodist, are enrollment driven. Acadademic and financial stability doesn't seem to be an issue for RMC.
first, "infact" is actually 2 words and "Acadademic" is not a word at all as far as i know...but what would i know...methodist admits anyone with a pulse and the ability to pay tuition, right :)

secondly, no, the assistant coach isn't "paid to bring in x amount of players"...he's paid to coach and recruit just as the head coach is, although it is true that mu chooses to field a jv squad in addition to the varsity squad - no question mu operates a budget which is dependent upon tuition revenue, but there is also no question the jv squad provides a good developmental opportunity for players who aren't quite ready for usasac play

Quote from: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 10:42:33 AMbut as you well know, once programs get rolling and gain a reputation for success, they pretty much can run themselves with the right guidance.
so do good programs run themselves or do they need the right guidance? the last part of this statement seems to contradict the first part of this statement...

Quote from: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 10:42:33 AMNow lets look at RMC.  ...but I can tell you that they are well on their way and should be competing for conference and regional level championships down the road.
sounds like a great turnaround...time will tell if they win regional championships, but forgive me if i don't hold my breath in anticipation...if i'm not mistaken, mu and ncwc each have more regional championships than the entire odac conference

Quote from: GoldGlove on August 16, 2007, 10:42:33 AMDisagree with you on this point.  You obvioulsy need some talent to play at the next level, and if you have several guys in your college program who have that ability, your team should be pretty succesful.  Look at the 1999 NCWC pitching staff....at least two or three of those guys had a chance to play some form of proball....NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!  Look at Emory, look at Kean.  Kids want to be in a program that they believe will give them a chance to play proball, regardless of the division.  That is why I chose my school.  So by saying "That's not the point of methodist baseball," are you saying that Coach Austin in his recruiting spill doesn't talk about all those from Methodist who have had the chance to play at the next level?  Having been recruited way back when by Coach Austin, I can tell you he does.
not sure what coach austin's recruiting "spill" is, but i don't believe he ever considers the professional potential of a player in the recruiting process - does he talk about former monarchs who happened to play professionally?...sure - is it nice to have guys who are good enough to play beyond college?...yes - is it necessary to have pro prospects to compete on this level?...i don't think so - hell, the monarchs won the usasac regular season last year with exactly ZERO 1st team all-conference performers and just 1 second teamer...

i can guarantee you that tom austin worries more about a student-athletes ability to compete in the usasac and south region than his ability to compete in the sally league or the carolina league or any other professional league...
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 17, 2007, 12:07:45 AM
Quote from: hokieone on August 16, 2007, 07:31:27 PM
His name is "Hedrick", not "Hendrick". Coach Hedrick is a very good baseball man. He came into a situation where players would miss practices for Greek functions, no off season program, etc., so it'll take a while, but I suspect he'll develop a very good program. Good location to recruit (close to Richmond), well-respected academic school, wealthy alumni. It could work. He's a very personable guy and will recruit well. If my guys weren't where they are (CNU), RMC would be my second choice.

Thank you, hokieone.  I am sorry for the misspelling of his name, I don't know him other than from playing aginst them over the past two years.  I agree with your comments, atleast from what I can tell from the other dugout.  His players seem to be happy and they play hard for him.  I know my coach swears that they will be the team to beat in the ODAC within the next few years.  He really thinks Coach Hedrick is doing a great job, and he isn't making life any easier on us at Bridgewater and VWC.

narch, you may want to take some notes from hokieone.  Obviously he is affiliated with CNU....and yet he has no problem complementing someone outside of CNU on a job well done.  In fact, hasn't CNU won more USASAC titles and regional titles in say the last seven years that Methodist? ;)   I would say they have alittle more going for them as of late.....and yet, still willing to be positive about what other, competing in-state programs are doing well.  I think RMC might even have been CNU this year.....but hokieone still takes the high road. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on August 17, 2007, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: GoldGlove on August 17, 2007, 12:07:45 AMnarch, you may want to take some notes from hokieone.  Obviously he is affiliated with CNU....and yet he has no problem complementing someone outside of CNU on a job well done.  In fact, hasn't CNU won more USASAC titles and regional titles in say the last seven years that Methodist? ;)   I would say they have alittle more going for them as of late.....and yet, still willing to be positive about what other, competing in-state programs are doing well.

let's review...i've made one comment that could be construed as a "low road" comment by pointing out that it's interesting that a losing record puts a program "on the map"...and this comment was meant in a light-hearted manner as evidenced by the :)...everything else i've written has been in defense of points you've made (well, except the derogatory comments about the odac...but they're all true :))

let's review the highlights of your most recent posts on this board:

you start out by trying to make your boy beazley more impressive by comparing his stats to those of former mu player, blake maxwell...puffing up one person by deflating another doesn't seem like a very "high road" thing to do, now does it?

next you imply that methodist's that 27 straight seasons of winning baseball is due in some part to the program that the head coach "inherited" and that he "inherited" a better situation than the rmc coach (that's laughable)...then you add (inaccurately) that tom austin has always been able to "get anyone he wanted in school"

you made inaccurate statements about the assistant coach, reducing his role to the mu baseball program to that of a revenue generator (aren't all d3 coaches revenue generators in some way?) and in the same sentence you seem to imply (again inaccurately) that mu is somehow financially and academically unstable

then you take it upon yourself to again belittle a program which has won or shared 3 straight conference regular championships and 5 of the last 7 by pointing out that cnu has won more regional championships (which is actually true!)

you called me insecure (that hurt, by the way...i just want everyone to like me :))

who is on the high road?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 03:54:39 PM
Interesting discussion. I couldn't say I agree or disagree with any of it. However, I am a little in touch with the RMC baseball situation. My very good friend and next door neighbor's kid is a starter for RMC. He is thinking about a transfer b/c he thinks Coach Hedrick is a complete donkey's butt. I can't even repeat the nickname they have for the guy on this board. Anyway, he says the guy is pompous and a jerk. He even joked with me the other week that the guy is so dumb he couldn't tell you the difference between Richmond and Ashland!!



Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 17, 2007, 07:32:02 PM
Harsh words all around.....guess you can't win for losing.  Whatever, I guess we will wait and see what the future holds.  At least hokieone and samueladams were positive.  GO METHODIST....the program all others should fall in line with. :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 08:55:59 PM
Quote from: GoldGlove on August 17, 2007, 07:32:02 PM
Harsh words all around.....guess you can't win for losing.  Whatever, I guess we will wait and see what the future holds.  At least hokieone and samueladams were positive.  GO METHODIST....the program all others should fall in line with. :)

yeah...they were harsh words...but not mine. I think the kid will transfer after this semester. It's sad when a coach has such a high opinion of himself that he adversely impacts players. D3 sports should be about the kids, not egotistical coaches who never grow up.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 17, 2007, 09:08:34 PM
That's ashame.  I guess everybody has their own opinions.  That is the first negative I have heard about that guy.  But I guess every coach has his naysayers/issues. Probably would be best for everybody if the unhappy player transfered.  Why, though, would he wait?  He's had all summer.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 09:44:58 PM
he's waiting b/c he's considering the entire college issue...not just baseball. you know...."acadademics" are more important in life when "proball" isn't likely. Although I told the kid RMC reputation for "acadademics" isn't all that  great in Virginia.....too many good schools in Va. Heck most people don't even know what city RMC is located.



Narch - where'd ya go? GG is easier than PSBBG.......he has no clue what we know, does he? It ain't no rocket science either!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: GoldGlove on August 17, 2007, 09:55:45 PM
Guess you are right CNU85.  So be it, good luck to that key starter....I hope they can survive without him.  Gotta focus on school first, baseball will end eventually. 
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 10:12:09 PM
nah....RMC baseball will tank without this guy..... ;D
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on August 17, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 09:44:58 PMNarch - where'd ya go? GG is easier than PSBBG.......he has no clue what we know, does he? It ain't no rocket science either!!!!! ;D
sorry...had a pool party from 7-10 tonight...thanks for flyin' the flag

i'm not sure that goldglove realizes that his email address ... rhedrick@rmc.edu ... is visible to any member of this forum

i'm not sure he realizes that it's impossible to register for this forum without having a valid email address from which to retrieve registration information, meaning that he's either coach ray hedrick or someone who has access to ray hedrick's rmc email account or someone posing as ray hedrick...either way, that's not a good situation

if he is ray hedrick, i'm not sure anything he has said is the least bit professional coming from a d3 coach...

if it is coach hedrick, the deception was fun to watch...misspelling his own name, pretending he didn't know where rmc was located, acting as though he played for an opposing odac team...i'm sure the ad at rmc will be very proud of his coach for acting in this manner, if indeed it is coach ray hedrick

if it isn't coach ray hedrick, goldglove should apologize for besmirching coach hedrick's reputation and posing as him...by the way...i don't think it's possible for anyone to use rhedrick@rmc.edu as a phony email without having access to that account...so i kinda have a feeling goldglove is coach ray hedrick

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Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 10:27:59 PM
that was good narch!!!! i was getting bored making references to richmond v ashland, making up stories about a neighbor, making fun of proball being one word, etc.........

i wonder what the rmc ad will say when he sees this stuff?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 10:28:55 PM
+1 for narch ....breaking the big 4-0


ahem!!!!!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 10:32:27 PM
for any old timers reading this....

you can call me gold
you can call me glove
you can call me goldglove
you can call me proball
but ya doesn't have to call me ray
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on August 21, 2007, 10:17:34 AM
see what you did Narch!!! You killed a nice conversation.   ;D ;D

Here coachy coachy coachy!!!

Title: Re: USA South
Post by: George Foster on August 28, 2007, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: narch on August 17, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 09:44:58 PMNarch - where'd ya go? GG is easier than PSBBG.......he has no clue what we know, does he? It ain't no rocket science either!!!!! ;D
sorry...had a pool party from 7-10 tonight...thanks for flyin' the flag

i'm not sure that goldglove realizes that his email address ... rhedrick@rmc.edu ... is visible to any member of this forum

i'm not sure he realizes that it's impossible to register for this forum without having a valid email address from which to retrieve registration information, meaning that he's either coach ray hedrick or someone who has access to ray hedrick's rmc email account or someone posing as ray hedrick...either way, that's not a good situation

if he is ray hedrick, i'm not sure anything he has said is the least bit professional coming from a d3 coach...

if it is coach hedrick, the deception was fun to watch...misspelling his own name, pretending he didn't know where rmc was located, acting as though he played for an opposing odac team...i'm sure the ad at rmc will be very proud of his coach for acting in this manner, if indeed it is coach ray hedrick

if it isn't coach ray hedrick, goldglove should apologize for besmirching coach hedrick's reputation and posing as him...by the way...i don't think it's possible for anyone to use rhedrick@rmc.edu as a phony email without having access to that account...so i kinda have a feeling goldglove is coach ray hedrick

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Who cares? Seriously, Head Coach not head coach. It's no reason to call a man out to his boss if that is in fact him. Don't be that guy.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Falcon2720 on August 30, 2007, 09:59:16 AM
I Know Narch will love this

Saturday FEB 9 Randolph Macon vs. Methodist 1:00 P.M. at Methodist.

George,

Coach "Hendrick"  ;) or any coach needs to be smart enough not to use his own e-mail address if they wish to keep their identity hidden.

Coach also needs to get his facts straight in regards to situations at other schools that he knows nothing about.

BTW,

Why are you quoting Narch.  He never said he was going to talk to RMC AD.  CNU85 said he wondered what the RMC AD will say when he sees this stuff?

They never said they were going rat him out.

On the other-hand, I'm getting ready to call the AD right now :)
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: CNU85 on September 02, 2007, 11:40:21 PM
Narch will love it!!!!

George.....there is no need for anyone to call the guy's boss. Someone like that will surely doom themselves with some dumb CLM. In fact, I bet he already has said/done some things that the AD is scratching his head about.

George Foster - Big Red Machine...54 HR one year.

Great team:
Johnny Bench
Pete Rose
Dave Concepcion
Joe Morgan
Tony Perez
Cesaer Geronimo
Ken Griffey
George Foster

Very nice team, indeed!
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: A.G. on September 04, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
Any transfers of note into the USASAC?  I know Averett got former Wintrhop/W. Kentucky pitcher Ben Hildreth?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: NCWC on September 05, 2007, 12:13:10 AM
NCWC picked up hunter pence, hanley ramirez, joba chamberlain, both of the uptons, and felix hernandez
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on September 05, 2007, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: NCWC on September 05, 2007, 12:13:10 AM
NCWC picked up hunter pence, hanley ramirez, joba chamberlain, both of the uptons, and felix hernandez

It is nice to see these players getting an education.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on September 07, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: NCWC on September 05, 2007, 12:13:10 AM
NCWC picked up hunter pence, hanley ramirez, joba chamberlain, both of the uptons, and felix hernandez
pence = stud
ramirez = STUD
chamberlain = stud...i think...we'll know for sure next year
hernandez = overrated...i think buddy was better :)

did pecora ever sign?
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Jim Dixon on September 07, 2007, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: narch on September 07, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: NCWC on September 05, 2007, 12:13:10 AM
NCWC picked up hunter pence, hanley ramirez, joba chamberlain, both of the uptons, and felix hernandez
pence = stud
ramirez = STUD
chamberlain = stud...i think...we'll know for sure next year
hernandez = overrated...i think buddy was better :)

did pecora ever sign?

The deadline for signing has passed and Pecora has not signed at this time.  If I am correct, Pecora should be back in school.

Felix is very good.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on September 07, 2007, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on September 07, 2007, 02:25:08 PMFelix is very good.
felix is no doubt incredibly talented, but a guy with that much stuff should be better than 27-25 with a 3.96 era at this stage of his career, and he should be making progress and getting better...he's getting hit at a .283 clip this season, the highest of his career by .021 points...he's still VERY young, and he might end up being great, but right now he's just an average pitcher who hasn't harnessed his talent
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Catfishncwc on September 11, 2007, 04:17:20 PM

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The deadline for signing has passed and Pecora has not signed at this time.  If I am correct, Pecora should be back in school.

Felix is very good.
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Pecora is back in school.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Gray Fox on September 11, 2007, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on August 17, 2007, 10:27:59 PM
that was good narch!!!! i was getting bored making references to richmond v ashland, making up stories about a neighbor, making fun of proball being one word, etc.........

i wonder what the rmc ad will say when he sees this stuff?

Gold Glove,

Don't feel too bad about your recent "outing"  on this board.  Yesterday NPR revealed that Christopher Newport himself has been misrepresented on the campus as being right handed.  He was, in fact, a southpaw. ::)  You can be easily reformed, but Christopher will have to be totally rebuilt.

The story:  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14286006

The picture:  http://www.jonhair.com/handler.cfm?cat_id=18342&cat_id=18344

His glove looks silver color to me. :o
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: Spence on September 12, 2007, 04:58:11 PM
Is there a more pointless board on which to troll for prestige? I have eligibility left, but my fastball is clocked with a sundial, as is my 60 yard dash at this point lol.

He'd be better off pedaling this stuff on virginiapreps.com.
Title: Re: USA South
Post by: narch on September 14, 2007, 09:55:28 PM
former monarch blake maxwell rebounded well from struggles early in the season...the sox had changed his arm angle and were having him come over the top and 3/4...he dropped down again in late july, posted a 1.76 in august, raised his velocity into the 90's and was on both the double a and triple a roster before the season was over...nice little run going into the offseason

article from the fayetteville observer  (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=272251)
Title: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 18, 2007, 02:27:40 PM
The change in message board subject heading facilitates identifying the sport and the conference on the main message board.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on September 21, 2007, 10:48:13 AM
Shenandoah University has officially announced it's desire to join the ODAC. Read page 6 of this newsletter for more info http://www.su.edu/pr/publications/sun/Sept19.pdf
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on October 17, 2007, 02:35:55 PM
If shenadoah did decide to leave, who would be a possible replacement? Or would the USAS get a replacement?  That might also leave time for a ODAC/USAS tourney.  It seems like the only tournament in the south is the one at emory.  I dont think they like ncwc a whole lot.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2007, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: NCWC on October 17, 2007, 02:35:55 PM
If shenadoah did decide to leave, who would be a possible replacement? Or would the USAS get a replacement?  That might also leave time for a ODAC/USAS tourney.  It seems like the only tournament in the south is the one at emory.  I dont think they like ncwc a whole lot.
See the ODAC football or the USAC football page.  The oDAC turned them down for now.  We are awaiting the D-II D-IV issue that we are discussing on the Future of D-III Board (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.msg780969#new).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on October 21, 2007, 01:43:50 AM
I would bet a team from the GSAC would join.  LaGrange, Huntington, or Piedmont would be nice additions. 

I bet the lack of football at Piedmont could be a problem.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on November 23, 2007, 10:21:05 PM
i think  langrange, hunt., and piedmont would be to far, football would be fine but not baseball, usas could trade shenadoah for a team to be named later (vwc)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on November 24, 2007, 05:17:16 PM
Any news coming from usas teams?  Pre season freshman of the year(s)? Pre season all conference?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on November 26, 2007, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: NCWC on November 23, 2007, 10:21:05 PM
i think  langrange, hunt., and piedmont would be to far, football would be fine but not baseball, usas could trade shenadoah for a team to be named later (vwc)

Why not absorb the GSAC?  For baseball this would be a 10 team league.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on November 27, 2007, 08:43:03 PM
I think getting the GSAC teams would be great for the USA South.

I don't think travel would be a problem.  Wesleyan, Methodist, Ferrum, and CNU all make trips to Georgia to play these teams and Emory almost every year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on November 28, 2007, 12:37:55 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on November 27, 2007, 08:43:03 PM
I think getting the GSAC teams would be great for the USA South.

I don't think travel would be a problem.  Wesleyan, Methodist, Ferrum, and CNU all make trips to Georgia to play these teams and Emory almost every year.

I am not sure how the other sports in the GSAC would fold in but it makes sence in baseball.

I would like to see fewer independent teams and the trend is moving that way.  There are schools such as Cal State East Bay who have no natural conference to move to but there are plenty that could (see the new CAC)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on December 05, 2007, 01:51:10 PM
Nice article on a former teammate, Buddy Hernandez.  Hopefully he signs with the Orioles.  Though they were wrong about him being drafted, he was signed as a Free Agent in the summer between his Junior and Senior year out of the Coastal Plain League. 

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/news/2007-08/spotlights/15_hernandez.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 10, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on November 26, 2007, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: NCWC on November 23, 2007, 10:21:05 PM
i think  langrange, hunt., and piedmont would be to far, football would be fine but not baseball, usas could trade shenadoah for a team to be named later (vwc)

Why not absorb the GSAC?  For baseball this would be a 10 team league.




Would it strengthen the overall play of the conference?  Or would it just add more teams?   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on December 10, 2007, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: NCWC on December 10, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on November 26, 2007, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: NCWC on November 23, 2007, 10:21:05 PM
i think  langrange, hunt., and piedmont would be to far, football would be fine but not baseball, usas could trade shenadoah for a team to be named later (vwc)

Why not absorb the GSAC?  For baseball this would be a 10 team league.




Would it strengthen the overall play of the conference?  Or would it just add more teams?   

I think it would strengthen the play.  The GSAC has always had a fair number of good players.  The benefit to the GSAC would be access to an automatic bid.

The teams were a combined 96-75 last year.  Only Piedmont (19 -23) had a losing record
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 10, 2007, 05:48:25 PM
what would be the benefit to the baseball teams in the usas?

why does the USAS have an auto bid but not the GSAC?

It also seems like it would be more of a  financial burden to  those GSAC schools compared to the USAS schools throughout the course of the season.

I have always felt d1 football for the greater good of the ncaa should have a playoff like 1aa, d2, d3.  And I think d3 baseball should follow the d1 format, super regional's
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on December 10, 2007, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: NCWC on December 10, 2007, 05:48:25 PM
what would be the benefit to the baseball teams in the usas?

why does the USAS have an auto bid but not the GSAC?

If Shenandoah leaves, it leaves the USAS with 6 teams.  A conference needs 7 teams to get an automatic bid (pool A).  The USAS is stong enough that it might get more bids as a Pool B conference (see how well the CAC has done in the past) but the main benefit is that the USAS will maintain their automatic bid.

To state the obvious, the GSAC, with four teams, has no pool A bid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 10:48:59 PM
sometines, Pool b can be fickle.

The Northwest Conference, two of whose members have won Stagg Bowls in the last decade, did not get a Pool b bid this year.

I think that Shenandoah's leaving is only a matter of time.

Moving to a 10-team USA South is a wise choice, IMHO.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 11, 2007, 07:30:38 AM
If it went into action tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the merger to actually happen.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2007, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: NCWC on December 11, 2007, 07:30:38 AM
If it went into action tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the merger to actually happen.
Shenandoah is on hold by the ODAC.  I think that the ODAC is awaiting the Future of D-III "stuff" that is voted in January 2008 and then studied in 2008 for a final vote in January 2009.  We have probably seen the delay of any actions by the ODAC until Spring 2009.  Shenandoah might not get any traction until Fall 2009, unless the ODAC needed Shenandoah to help swing the D-III/D-IV decision one way or another.  We might be Fall 2011 before Shenandoah competes for the ODAC.

Huntingdon and LaGrange are committed to the SLIAC for football, and the SLIAC will get a Pool A bid in 2010.  I would not want to commit to that adminstrative effort for anything less than a 4-year commitment from HC and LG, thru the Fall of 2011 as I see it.  The presidents could consider permitting Shenandoah leave to the ODAC, keeping Murvul in football and permitting HC and LG to fulfill their contract to the SLIAC.  The USASouth would still have 7 football members and would be loaning HC and LG to the SLIAC.  Comparative mileages and comparative conference strengths might just allow the Presidents to leave the schools where they are in football.

If HC and LG are winning more football games in the SLIAC than they likely would in the USASouth,

and CNU stays put in the USASouth, instead of going to the football-playing Capital,

and the USASouth presidents in VA and NC can get 10 games without driving to LG or HC for a conference game,

then we might see HC and LG competing in the SLIAC, while the 7-member USASouth rolls along as is.

The remainder of the GSAC fits nicely as the Southern Division for the USA South in all other sports.  Getting access to the playoffs thru the USASAC is a plus for any AL, TN or GA team that wants to move to D-3.

I see the decisions about USA South membership being driven by the "Mid-Atlantic Shuffle".  There is a whole 'nother Daily Dose or two on that topic.  (Please remember that a conference has 2 years to get back to 7 teams to keep the AQ.)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 12, 2007, 07:03:44 AM
Hasn't the NCAA put a freeze on any further schools moving to D I and adding any additional schools to NCAA D III?   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on December 12, 2007, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2007, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: NCWC on December 11, 2007, 07:30:38 AM
If it went into action tomorrow, how long do you think it would take for the merger to actually happen.
Shenandoah is on hold by the ODAC.  I think that the ODAC is awaiting the Future of D-III "stuff" that is voted in January 2008 and then studied in 2008 for a final vote in January 2009.  We have probably seen the delay of any actions by the ODAC until Spring 2009.  Shenandoah might not get any traction until Fall 2009, unless the ODAC needed Shenandoah to help swing the D-III/D-IV decision one way or another.  We might be Fall 2011 before Shenandoah competes for the ODAC.

Huntingdon and LaGrange are committed to the SLIAC for football, and the SLIAC will get a Pool A bid in 2010.  I would not want to commit to that adminstrative effort for anything less than a 4-year commitment from HC and LG, thru the Fall of 2011 as I see it.  The presidents could consider permitting Shenandoah leave to the ODAC, keeping Murvul in football and permitting HC and LG to fulfill their contract to the SLIAC.  The USASouth would still have 7 football members and would be loaning HC and LG to the SLIAC.  Comparative mileages and comparative conference strengths might just allow the Presidents to leave the schools where they are in football.

If HC and LG are winning more football games in the SLIAC than they likely would in the USASouth,

and CNU stays put in the USASouth, instead of going to the football-playing Capital,

and the USASouth presidents in VA and NC can get 10 games without driving to LG or HC for a conference game,

then we might see HC and LG competing in the SLIAC, while the 7-member USASouth rolls along as is.

The remainder of the GSAC fits nicely as the Southern Division for the USA South in all other sports.  Getting access to the playoffs thru the USASAC is a plus for any AL, TN or GA team that wants to move to D-3.

I see the decisions about USA South membership being driven by the "Mid-Atlantic Shuffle".  There is a whole 'nother Daily Dose or two on that topic.  (Please remember that a conference has 2 years to get back to 7 teams to keep the AQ.)

If Huntingdon and LaGrange can get in an all-sports conference situation, why would they stay in the SLIAC? I can't see that fit working for all sports.

I'm wondering if we're not getting close to seeing a "Deep South" conference. Some combination of the current GSAC, Birmingham Southern, Sewanee, Oglethorpe, Emory, Maryville. Obviously not all of them will work and which ones might end up getting together is hard to say, but I see it as not really making sense that they all go here, there and everywhere.

If the D-III/IV issue ends up resolving as I think it will, I think D-II schools will see the more competitive division (whatever number it's given) as attractive relative to what they doing now (paying scholarships). It may all but finish NAIA. It's in the interest of Division III IMO to have conference choices available for southern D-II schools that might consider a switch.

It wouldn't be good for athletes looking for a free ride to school off their skills, but it would be great for institutions that currently pay people to play sports for them to have people paying for the privilege instead.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2007, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: hokieone on December 12, 2007, 07:03:44 AM
Hasn't the NCAA put a freeze on any further schools moving to D I and adding any additional schools to NCAA D III?   
Yes, the D-III Moratorium is scheduled to expire after the convention in Jan08.

With respect to the SCAC and the other conferences in the south, I think that the SCAC is about as close to set as it can be.  Those schools are members of the Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 12, 2007, 07:11:40 PM
The USAS should look for another baseball team even if shenadoah does or doesn't leave


Ben Moore and Kyle Robertson will be named in the Mitchell report :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 15, 2007, 12:13:50 PM
Has there been any transfers in the USAS this year?  Wesleyan lost a pretty solid 3b in tyler goarck, who transferred back home to pacific lutheran.  And from what I have heard they also lost Luke Williford to ECU.


2008 NCWC Schedule

February
6 Wed. at Mount Olive College 2:00 p.m. Mt. Olive, NC
9 SAT. EASTERN MENNONITE (DH) 11:00 A.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
10 SUN. EASTERN MENNONITE 2:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
12 Tues. at Univ. of Mary Washington 3:00 p.m. Fredericksburg, VA
15 FRI. LYNCHBURG COLLEGE 2:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
16 SAT. PIEDMONT COLLEGE 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
17 SUN. PIEDMONT COLLEGE 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
22 FRI. CORTLAND STATE 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
23 SAT. SUNY OLD WESTBURY (DH) 11:00 A.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
24 SUN. SUNY OLD WESTBURY 12:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
27 WED. CAPITAL UNIVERSITY 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
28 THURS. CAPITAL UNIVERSITY 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
March
1 Sat. * at Christopher Newport Univ. 10:00 a.m. Newport News, VA
1 Sat. at CNU vs. Ramapo 2:00 p.m. Newport News, VA
2 Sun. * at Christopher Newport Univ. 1:00 p.m. Newport News, VA
3 Mon. at Virginia Wesleyan College 3:00 p.m. Virginia Beach, VA
7 Fri. at Lynchburg College (DH) 12:00 p.m. Lynchburg, VA
8 Sat. * at Greensboro College 1:00 p.m. Greensboro, NC
9 Sun. * at Greensboro College 1:00 p.m. Greensboro, NC
11 TUES. HAMPDEN-SYDNEY COLLEGE 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
15 SAT. * METHODIST UNIVERSITY 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
16 SUN. * METHODIST UNIVERSITY 2:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
18 TUES. VIRGINIA WESLEYAN COLLEGE 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
20 THURS. TUFTS UNIVERSITY 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
21 FRI. * FERRUM COLLEGE 3:30 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
22 SAT. * FERRUM COLLEGE 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
24 Mon. at Hampden-Sydney College 3:30 p.m. Hampden-Sydney, VA
29 Sat. * at Averett University 1:00 p.m. Danville, VA
30 Sun. * at Averett University 1:00 p.m. Danville, VA
April
1 TUES. LAGRANGE COLLEGE 4:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
2 WED. LAGRANGE COLLEGE 4:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
3 Thurs. at Bridgewater College 4:00 p.m. Bridgewater, VA
5 SAT. * SHENANDOAH UNIVERSITY 1:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
6 SUN. * SHENANDOAH UNIVERSITY 2:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
13 Sun. at York University 1:00 p.m. York, PA
17-20 Th.-Sun. at USA South Conference Tournament TBA Burlington, NC
May
3 SAT. UNIV. OF MARY WASHINGTON 3:00 P.M. ROCKY MOUNT, NC
 
Bold and ALLCAPS denotes home contest
* USA South Conference Game


24 home games and 15 away
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on December 18, 2007, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: NCWC on December 15, 2007, 12:13:50 PM
Has there been any transfers in the USAS this year?  Wesleyan lost a pretty solid 3b in tyler goarck, who transferred back home to pacific lutheran.  And from what I have heard they also lost Luke Williford to ECU.




I am not sure if Luke went to ECU, but he is not on the 2008 Roster. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 18, 2007, 09:41:38 AM
Im about 100 percent sure he went to ECU in the fall, as far as baseball I wouldnt be suprised to see him back at wesleyan in the spring.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on December 26, 2007, 07:07:10 PM
im goin to go out on a limb and say ncwc will have the best bats in the usas and averett will have the best pitching staff...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 03, 2008, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: NCWC on December 18, 2007, 09:41:38 AM
Im about 100 percent sure he went to ECU in the fall, as far as baseball I wouldnt be suprised to see him back at wesleyan in the spring.

The NCW SID reports Luke Williford as having moved on.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 08, 2008, 01:55:14 PM
He was on campus yesterday...word of mouth
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: mm77 on January 08, 2008, 04:11:24 PM
Luke is back at NCWC and is listed on the 2008 roster.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 09, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
That sets up the best outfield in the usas by far...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
Quote from: NCWC on January 09, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
That sets up the best outfield in the usas by far...
i really wish williford had made the team at ecu and that pecora had signed :) - if luke wanted to play d1 ball, i'm sure a team like campbell or high point or another lower-level d1 would be happy to have him...there's probably still time for him to get the d1 ride he so deserves...i think i should call some d1 coaches :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 11, 2008, 02:28:25 PM
I will start calling some d1 ad's about tom austin
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: mm77 on January 11, 2008, 02:33:13 PM
There is a freshman at NCWC that is going to give Luke all the competition he can handle to be a starter this year.  His name is Daniel Moore.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 11, 2008, 02:36:34 PM
Well hopefully daniel moore, gay, sikes, and webb will be able to contribute like wooten, williams, and lucas


Is there anyone else in the freshman class challenging for positions?




Narch- Im pretty sure he did make the team at ECU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: mm77 on January 11, 2008, 02:49:16 PM
NCWC has probably got the best group of freshmen they have ever had.  They will be much much stronger than they were last year.  They have 4 starters from 3A Northern Nash high school that  made it to the state semifinals before losing to eventual state champion C B Aycock.  The positions of the Northern Nash starters was 1st base, cf,rf,ss and also the closer.  In addition, they also have the starting 2nd baseman and lf from CB Aycock.  They also have two quality lh freshman pitchers.  They have other recruits as well but I am not as familiar with them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 11, 2008, 02:53:05 PM
Best group of freshman ever?  Is that what rivals.com has said about them?  Wesleyan had a streak of 5 straight rookie of the years b4 last year.


We will have to see how it plays out during the season, I know one of the major factors in a lot of players who have attended wesleyan is the chance to play early.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: mm77 on January 11, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
I said probably and I'm not saying that they will have the rookie of the year this year but I believe it is the best overall recruiting class they have had in a long time.  They also have a 2nd baseman that transferred from a school up north (not sure which school) but he played in the Cape Cod summer league this past summer.  The only thing with NCWC that may be a concern would be their starting pitching since they lost their top two guys from last year.  They will be and outstanding hitting team and they will be extremely fast.  I think they have about 15 freshmen recruits in all.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 11, 2008, 03:31:07 PM
Pre-season predictions:

1. Methodist (8-4)
2. CNU (8-4)
3. NCW (8-4)
4. Averett (7-5)
5. Ferrum (4-8)
6. Greensboro (4-8)
7. Shenadoah (3-9)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 12, 2008, 04:01:06 PM
Sounds like NCW has really re-loaded.  LC (my son's team) will see them on Feb 14 before traveling to Methodist for 2 days of split DH action with the Monarchs and Fairmont State. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 12, 2008, 04:57:22 PM
Only time will tell
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 12, 2008, 09:11:48 PM
Anyone else see the pre-season D3 poll...only Ferrum checking in at #20 from the USASAC.
http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divIII/currentpolldiviii.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 13, 2008, 04:25:56 PM
The sad thing is, Ferrum is overrated at 20
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 13, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: NCWC on January 13, 2008, 04:25:56 PM
The sad thing is, Ferrum is overrated at 20

I have to agree.  They lost some senior pitching and Thomas. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 13, 2008, 04:59:53 PM
They lost some solid outfielders as well
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 13, 2008, 07:06:44 PM
I was surprised at FC's ranking as well.  One team to watch will be Averett...they got a D1 pitching transfer (his 3rd school...after attending Western Kentucky and Winthrop) and the better part of a good team from last year back.  I think LC plays most of the teams in the league this year, except for CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 13, 2008, 07:09:35 PM
BTW...just saw this over at D3baseball.com:

QuoteSouth Regional: Hosted by USA South Athletic Conference/ODAC at American Legion Memorial Post 325 Stadium-Dan Daniel Park, Danville, Virginia.

The 2008 Division III baseball championship will feature 54 teams (33 Pool A, 7 Pool B, 14 Pool C) divided into eight regional tournaments. Of the eight regional tournaments, three will feature eight teams while five will consist of six teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 14, 2008, 03:50:05 PM
I think Matt Slaughter from Averett is a pretty good pitcher and is underrated
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 14, 2008, 04:34:13 PM
I have been told by someone very close  ;) to the NCWC program that Coach Long has stated that this years incoming class is the best since the freshman class that came in and went on to win the last Bishops' national championship when they were seniors. As someone said, only time will tell, but that sounds promising for NCWC baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 15, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
very promising.... I am interested in the mount olive game to start the season.  I think those guys who graduated from that 1999 team were animals

I was just messing around today and saw that Wes Means (2nd Team, USAS) wasn't listed on the roster.

About the regionals:  http://www.usasouth.net/news/08baseballreg.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 15, 2008, 06:11:56 PM
The roster is correct, Wes Means is no longer with the team. From what I understand there is a very good player in place to fill the void left by Means.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 15, 2008, 06:42:47 PM
Found out that he transferred to Mary Washington who happens to open up against NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 16, 2008, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: NCWC on January 15, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
  I think those guys who graduated from that 1999 team were animals


On behalf of the 99 team, Thank you for such kind words.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2008, 02:10:55 PM
2008 USA South Baseball Coaches Poll
Rank Institution (1st place Votes) Pts.
1. Christopher Newport (3) 31
2. N.C. Wesleyan (1) 28
3. Methodist (2) 27
4. Averett (1) 24
5. Ferrum 19
6. Shenandoah 12
7. Greensboro 6

our 5th place team is #20 in the nation :)

it's going to be difficult for the monarchs to win an unprecedented 4th straight regular season championship (3 has been done on by ncwc, ferrum and now mu)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 16, 2008, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: narch on January 16, 2008, 02:10:55 PM
2008 USA South Baseball Coaches Poll
Rank Institution (1st place Votes) Pts.
1. Christopher Newport (3) 31
2. N.C. Wesleyan (1) 28
3. Methodist (2) 27
4. Averett (1) 24
5. Ferrum 19
6. Shenandoah 12
7. Greensboro 6

our 5th place team is #20 in the nation :)

it's going to be difficult for the monarchs to win an unprecedented 4th straight regular season championship (3 has been done on by ncwc, ferrum and now mu)

Correct me if I am wrong but NCWC is the only team to do it outright without any regular season ties. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 16, 2008, 08:04:50 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 16, 2008, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: NCWC on January 15, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
  I think those guys who graduated from that 1999 team were animals


On behalf of the 99 team, Thank you for such kind words.

Catfish, I knew that would bring you out of the depths.

There will be a three or four way tie again this year and we will skip the final games of the tourny
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2008, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 16, 2008, 03:30:03 PMCorrect me if I am wrong but NCWC is the only team to do it outright without any regular season ties. 
you are correct, sir...and if the monarchs hadn't won it in 1986, ncwc would have won 6 in a row!  as it stands, 5 out of 6 ain't bad :) - the monarchs have won 4 of 5 twice, but no other team has won 5 of 6

edit: i actually have to correct myself, though...mu would NOT become the first team to win 4 straight...ncwc won 5 straight from 81 - 85 and an incredible 7 of 8 from 81 - 89
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 17, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
Narch, any word out of camp?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 23, 2008, 09:25:21 AM
The word out of Rocky Mount is the Battling Bishops' practices are going well and the team is excited about the upcoming season. :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 23, 2008, 05:40:21 PM
wheelin wes, how are the arms looking?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: NCWC on January 17, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
Narch, any word out of camp?
yeah...the monarchs should have enough to field a team this year :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 24, 2008, 09:45:22 AM
Arms= :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 24, 2008, 01:56:35 PM
So looking over the composite schedule looks like no Division 1 schools on the menu this year.  Also very little D2 schools. 
Wish some of these D1 schools would schedule more D3 games.  I remember looking at old NCWC schedules and they would play as many as 5 D1 schools a year until about 94-95.  Hell we used to have a Home-Away series with ECU back in the day every year till 94. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 24, 2008, 02:05:00 PM
Its bad publicity for the d1 program if they get smacked by a d3 school.  The Media Age would probably be to blame.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 24, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 24, 2008, 01:56:35 PM
Wish some of these D1 schools would schedule more D3 games. 

I would not be surprised if a D-III game on a D-I schedule would have an adverse effect.  My guess is that the game does not count if they use the same point system used in D-III, therefore depriving the school of a chance to inch closer to a playoff berth (this is the case with D-III schools).  Also the trend in fewer games does not help this.  If the games could count as exhibition games and did not count against the max number, I am sure it would happen.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 24, 2008, 03:00:03 PM
Catfish-  the mens basketball team played ECU this year and used it as an exhibition
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on January 25, 2008, 01:02:14 AM
Quote from: NCWC on January 11, 2008, 02:53:05 PM
Best group of freshman ever?  Is that what rivals.com has said about them?  Wesleyan had a streak of 5 straight rookie of the years b4 last year.


We will have to see how it plays out during the season, I know one of the major factors in a lot of players who have attended wesleyan is the chance to play early.

I wouldn't say best group of FR ever, but I did think this FR class to be pretty good when I was gathering info on them, Just an outsider's perspective. A couple of pretty highly honored pitchers as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on January 25, 2008, 03:56:14 PM
Spence, I got the same information on their numbers.  These guys coming in have some pretty good achievements. I think alot is going to be put on their plate this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 01, 2008, 09:20:13 PM
Any thoughts on Greensboro and hampden sydney today?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2008, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 01, 2008, 09:20:13 PM
Any thoughts on Greensboro and hampden sydney today?
i think that's a solid dh sweep to start the season...randy mac is on the clock for the monarchs - tick, tock
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 04, 2008, 03:09:17 PM
Looks like Mock is poised to have a good year...11k's, but it might be that beginning of the season timing.


Wheelin Wes... Any idea what the rotation is going to be this year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 05, 2008, 09:05:46 AM
The starting rotation, to begin with at least, will be Moore at Mt. Olive, Diener then Shearon on the DH  Saturday and Knowles to closeout the starting rotation and series against Eastern Mennonite Sunday. That's a righty, lefty, righty, lefty rotation as it is right now. The Mt. Olive Game has been moved up today at 4PM to beat rain Wednesday. Battle em' Bishops!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 05, 2008, 11:58:28 AM
Any time table on Lucas or Robertson?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 05, 2008, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: narch on February 04, 2008, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 01, 2008, 09:20:13 PM
Any thoughts on Greensboro and hampden sydney today?
i think that's a solid dh sweep to start the season...randy mac is on the clock for the monarchs - tick, tock

uh oh! Narch is good friends with Randy Mac coach!  :D :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 05, 2008, 08:03:25 PM
Greensboro had 8 home runs today, three by Corona.  Was it windy today in Greensboro?

Wesleyan took one on the chin today, 6 errors?  Was it windy in Mount Olive today?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 06, 2008, 05:12:23 PM
The game was AT Guilford...and that place is a bandbox where the wind tends to blow out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 06, 2008, 05:46:39 PM
Guilford is in Greensboro or am I mistaken.  ???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 07, 2008, 07:10:43 AM
No...you're right.  I was just pointing out that the wind blowing out at Guilford is a pitcher's nightmare.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2008, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 07, 2008, 07:10:43 AM
No...you're right.  I was just pointing out that the wind blowing out at Guilford is a pitcher's nightmare.
it wasn't a nightmare for the g'boro pitching staff :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 07, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
I have to wonder about the pitching rotation for Guilford.  The #2 pitcher in the game was a junior infielder who has not seen mound action since the summer before his senior year in HIGH SCHOOL.  The rest of the pitchers are all listed as pitchers on the roster.  How do you throw a kid into that situation like that?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 07, 2008, 02:07:57 PM
They probably had him work a little bit in the fall, my guess is he was one of the better arms on the team.  Guilford was probably trying to make something happen.  It seems like when Guilford will get or develop a good player, that player ends up transferring w/in the conference.  You can't really build a staff like that.


Greensboro has two games this weekend.  I wonder if they start Mock and #2 to try and get wins or let their #4 and #5 go.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 08, 2008, 01:08:58 PM
Feb. 9  11:00 AM  East. Mennonite   N.C. Wesleyan     
   12:00 PM  Hampden-Sydney   Averett     
   12:30 PM  Greensboro   Birmingham Southern     
   1:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Methodist     
   2:00 PM  East. Mennonite   N.C. Wesleyan     
   3:00 PM  Hampden-Sydney   Averett     
Feb. 10  TBA  Greensboro   Huntingdon     
   12:00 PM  Averett   Va. Wesleyan     
   2:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Methodist     
   2:00 PM  East. Mennonite   N.C. Wesleyan     
   3:00 PM  Averett   Va. Wesleyan 


I think Averett will have their hands full this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2008, 05:57:52 PM
goldglove...today wasn't your day...monarchs win 12-2 - kivett powers two hr's and goes 4-4 with 6 rbi - quinn gets a bomb, too...having him healthy and driving the ball will be critical for the monarchs - toth went jus .1 inning with 3 walks...not sure if he left hurt or unable to locate - i'm hoping it's the latter - geisinger goes 5.2 with 5 k's and 1 er for the win in releif
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 10, 2008, 02:07:52 AM
Wesleyan took two today....looks like a solid cg effort from diener in game one....shearon got the win in game 2....some solid work at the plate today by jason gay.  About 10 sb's.


Here is a nice piece I found about Chris Pecora.

http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2008/02/0207NCWCBB.html
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 10, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
After hearing so much about him on this site over the past year, I am looking forward to seeing Pecora play this coming Friday.  Who are some of the others to watch for this year at NCWC?  The only one I really remember was the FAST lead-off guy who was maybe the best drag bunter I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 10, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 10, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
After hearing so much about him on this site over the past year, I am looking forward to seeing Pecora play this coming Friday.  Who are some of the others to watch for this year at NCWC?  The only one I really remember was the FAST lead-off guy who was maybe the best drag bunter I've seen in a while.

All American Matt Smith....Its hard to say because different situations bring out the best in different players...There isn't one guy who is going to be swinging for the fences or getting all the rbi's.  It is a pretty diverse team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 10, 2008, 09:44:18 PM
The Captains kick off the 2008 season Tuesday by hosting Hampden-Sydney. Its the first of 15 straight home dates to open the year. Yeah thats right, 15 straight! Be interesting to see how Kenny Moreland does in his first start as a senior. He was 9-3 with a 2.30 ERA last year and a 1st Team All-USA South pitcher. Some new faces to this year's roster mixed in with some old ones from last year. The starting froshes from a year ago are a year older and I also look for Trae Bailey to have another solid season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2008, 08:03:37 AM
the monarchs finished the sweep of rmc yesterday, 9-6 - kivett powered another bomb and had 3 rbi and quinn hit another one, as well - mu now has 5 hr's after 2 games...they had 7 hr's all of last season - i don't expect those numbers to necessarily continue, but it's nice to have power threats in the lineup - bisplinghoff went 6 giving up 2 er - sholar pitched another effective 9th after missing last season due to injury
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 11, 2008, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 10, 2008, 09:44:18 PM
The Captains kick off the 2008 season Tuesday by hosting Hampden-Sydney. Its the first of 15 straight home dates to open the year. Yeah thats right, 15 straight! Be interesting to see how Kenny Moreland does in his first start as a senior. He was 9-3 with a 2.30 ERA last year and a 1st Team All-USA South pitcher. Some new faces to this year's roster mixed in with some old ones from last year. The starting froshes from a year ago are a year older and I also look for Trae Bailey to have another solid season.

Rikki, what do you think the rotation behind Kenny will be?  Is the other Moreland set up to be the closer?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 11, 2008, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 10, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 10, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
After hearing so much about him on this site over the past year, I am looking forward to seeing Pecora play this coming Friday.  Who are some of the others to watch for this year at NCWC?  The only one I really remember was the FAST lead-off guy who was maybe the best drag bunter I've seen in a while.

All American Matt Smith....Its hard to say because different situations bring out the best in different players...There isn't one guy who is going to be swinging for the fences or getting all the rbi's.  It is a pretty diverse team.

I checked last year's game at NCWC...Pecora did not play in that one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 11, 2008, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 11, 2008, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 10, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 10, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
After hearing so much about him on this site over the past year, I am looking forward to seeing Pecora play this coming Friday.  Who are some of the others to watch for this year at NCWC?  The only one I really remember was the FAST lead-off guy who was maybe the best drag bunter I've seen in a while.

All American Matt Smith....Its hard to say because different situations bring out the best in different players...There isn't one guy who is going to be swinging for the fences or getting all the rbi's.  It is a pretty diverse team.

I checked last year's game at NCWC...Pecora did not play in that one.

Pecora was hurt for a good deal of the season.  You might have saw matt smith #1, he is a true lefty with excellent bunting ability.  That might be the lefty you are talking about.  Wesleyan has only 4 players that started all four of the games this year.  I think it is fair to say those guys have a spot that is solidified (Smith, Pecora, Batts, and a transfer beauloseil).  They have a highly thought of freshman class that is going to fill an absence in the infield and on the mound.  I believe the freshman knowles had about 150k's in his senior season.  Freshman Jason Gay has some high school honors also, he came from the same school that produced Mark Wooten the first baseman last year.
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Post by: A.G. on February 11, 2008, 01:29:07 PM
Smith had the knockout blow in the game.  My son was in LF and the coach moved him in about 4 steps.  Sure enough...next pitch he lined one over his head.  They don't move him, I think its the 3rd out.  2 or 3 runs scored on that play.

Weather looking good for Friday.  We play a DH Sat AND Sun @ Methodist vs MU and Fairmont State...so I suspect our coach will stretch our Friday starter as long as he can go.
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Post by: CNU85 on February 11, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: narch on February 11, 2008, 08:03:37 AM
the monarchs finished the sweep of rmc yesterday, 9-6 - kivett powered another bomb and had 3 rbi and quinn hit another one, as well - mu now has 5 hr's after 2 games...they had 7 hr's all of last season - i don't expect those numbers to necessarily continue, but it's nice to have power threats in the lineup - bisplinghoff went 6 giving up 2 er - sholar pitched another effective 9th after missing last season due to injury

Sweet wins, Narch! I think goldglove is now too busy to read stuff on this board now! He's trying to figure out how to get that Richmond-based, Hendrick - coached, team back on the map!!  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2008, 02:44:47 PM
by my count the usasac/odac match up is pretty heavily swayed toward the good guys  ;) - usasac leads 10-2 and has out scored the ocad 101-34 - there are some nice matchups on the horizon for both leagues, though
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Post by: h-sc bball on February 11, 2008, 10:13:12 PM
narch.....looking back into the archives it seems to be the norm to beat up on the odac boys.....I feel baseball has improved in the odac the past 2 or 3 years with Hampden-Sydney, Lynchburg & Washington & Lee improving their talent. It wasn't long ago they were whiping boys for VWC & Bridgewater....that doesn't happen any longer..... During my term at Sydney I would hope we could have close the gap against the USA teams....but it doesn't seem to be happening  ???.

Go Tigers
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Post by: NCWC on February 11, 2008, 10:56:12 PM
Monday, February 11, 2008
Diamond Bishops sweep Rookie of the Week awards

Fayetteville, NC - The North Carolina Wesleyan Department of Athletics is pleased to announce that baseball freshmen Jason Gay and Justin Diener have swept the USA South Conference's Rookie of the Week awards. The two helped the Battling Bishops to a three-game sweep of Eastern Mennonite over the weekend at Bauer Field. 

Gay, a first baseman from Nashville, NC, hit .500 (5-for-10) with two runs scored, three RBI, and three doubles to help the Bishops begin the season with a 3-1 record. In a 10-2 loss to nationally-ranked Division-II Mount Olive, Gay came off the bench to go 2-for-2 with a double and a run batted in. In the EMU sweep, Gay went 3-for-8 with two runs scored, two RBI, two doubles, and two walks.

Diener, a lefty pitcher from Wendell, NC, earned a seven-inning, complete-game win over the Royals in his collegiate debut. Diener led the Bishops to a 5-2 victory by giving up two runs, one of which was earned, on three hits with one walk and seven strikeouts.

Congratulations to both athletes on their stellar performances


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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 12, 2008, 10:38:49 AM
Great job by the Bishops this past weekend. The team looks to be coming together well with the veteran players settling in and looking very good.  The freshman class really looked good too and contributed in all three wins; 2 pitchers picked up wins, relievers were sharp and position players were strong on defense and with the sticks. This team is deep with talent and is going to  be fun to watch this year. Congratulations to Gay and Diener.
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Post by: NCWC on February 12, 2008, 04:45:45 PM
Wheelin Wes.... Im not sure if you followed the program last year or not.  Does it look like Justin Batts has improved any on the mound?  A big problem the team has had in the short past is a bullpen that struggled throwing consecutive days.  Is there any newcomers that have the ability to throw 100% on back to back days?  Are the Wesleyan batters taking the opposing pitchers deep into the count?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 12, 2008, 07:32:14 PM
Batts closed game 2 on Saturday by throwing the 7th inning. I thought he threw well especially for his first appearance this year. All the pitchers look sharp again especially for this early in the season. As for if any of the short relievers being able to pitch 100% on back to back days, I can't say so for certain, but I believe some could particularly if they only went 1 innings with a fairly low pitch count the day before. It looks like there will be 3 guys tabbed as closers this year with Batts being the leader of that group and 2 quality arms behind him.  There are other young arms in place in bridge the innings between the starters and the closers. Hopefully pitchers will not have to used on back to back days. This years staff looks talented and deep in all phases especially when Robertson and Lucas return, which by the way Robertson is scheduled to start Friday I believe and Lucas is trowing some on the side in the pen. The Tuesday game was postponed due to probable weather conditions.
The Bishops' batter were patient, fairly selective and drew a lot pitches into some deep counts when they could. As the series progressed, it appeared their pitch recognition was improving. I think the bats will continue to heat up!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 12, 2008, 09:09:35 PM
I can't wait to see what will happen when peco, matt, and batts get locked in at the plate.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2008, 09:33:17 PM
speaking of locked in...seth kivett powers 2 more bombs today...in 4 games he is hitting .733 with 5 hr and 14 rbi...not a bad start

the monarchs split with southern va today...not sure how i feel about that performance - sova is a scholarship program, and about 1/2 of their roster is juco or scholarship transfers, so there is certainly some talent...i just didn't expect to see them light up monarch pitching the way they did - 2007 opening day starter chase cates was one of the pitchers hit hard today, but it's great to see him back on the mound after missing all of last year - hopefully he can get the arm strength and velocity that he needs back in spot appearances and help the monarchs down the stretch
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 13, 2008, 09:12:32 AM
SVU either loaded up or it was one of "those" baseball games where the superior team just lost.  Good thing that won't count against MU b/c baseball-wise, that is a bad loss.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 13, 2008, 10:30:23 AM
Has Southern VA ever won more than 10 games in a year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 13, 2008, 11:01:39 AM
Looking at SVU website it appears they sweep Greensboro last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 13, 2008, 11:45:56 AM
I'm just hoping that LC can turn the ODAC vs USASAC tide a little bit over the weekend.  2 out of 3 versus NCWC and MU would be huge.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:28:53 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 11, 2008, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 10, 2008, 09:44:18 PM
The Captains kick off the 2008 season Tuesday by hosting Hampden-Sydney. Its the first of 15 straight home dates to open the year. Yeah thats right, 15 straight! Be interesting to see how Kenny Moreland does in his first start as a senior. He was 9-3 with a 2.30 ERA last year and a 1st Team All-USA South pitcher. Some new faces to this year's roster mixed in with some old ones from last year. The starting froshes from a year ago are a year older and I also look for Trae Bailey to have another solid season.

Rikki, what do you think the rotation behind Kenny will be?  Is the other Moreland set up to be the closer?

Kenny obviously is their no. 1 with his brother as the closer. Kevin funky delivery messes with my eyes when I watch him pitch! As for behind Kenny, I think u will see Mike Giarrizzi as the No. 2, Kyle Baumann and Bryce Morrison as potential mid-week starters. But Giarrizzi is definitely entrenched as the no. 2 conference starter from what I hear. Giarrizzi apparently had a great fall and showed some flash on the hill late last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:34:18 PM
Captains get an 11-0 win to open 2008 yesterday over Hampden-Sydney (narch add another USAS win over the ODAC  ;D) Kenny goes five and strikes out six, walks two and allowed just one his. Three other hurlers combined for four innings and allowed no hits. Chris Despins hit a BOMB to straight away centerfield yesterday and went 3-of-4 with four RBI. This kid is MAMMOTH!! He's 6-5, I dont know what he weighs, but he is a beast.

CNU gets Eastern Mennonite tomorrow at 2:30 pm.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
i was shocked to see that svu only had 16 on their roster, and almost every player had a slash under the position listing (p/of) - i imagine that would wear on a team, especially the pitching staff, as the season progresses - i also imagine it's hard to find/keep mormon baseball players (assuming most, if not all, of their players are mormon...which could be inaccurate) - i couldn't find any historical data to see if they'd ever won more than 10 games, but i also imagine that historical data is somewhat irrelevant for this team...i'm sure there is more roster turnover because of mission trips, etc. than you find at a typical institution - i know the team that played mu yesterday could swing the bat! it will be interesting to see if this is a sign of potential pitching depth issues for mu or if svu really is that good...or if it was just one of those days

i forgot to mention the job robert kisiah did on the mound for the monarchs yesterday...2 ip, 1 h, 6 k's in relief...solid performance from the senior
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 13, 2008, 09:42:22 PM
There are a couple d2 and naia schools we have played over the years with less than 20 people.  St. Andrews a couple years ago came up with about 16 people and swept a (dh).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 14, 2008, 10:37:24 AM
Here's a link to an article on D3baseball from the Lynchburg perspective on the upcoming weekend against NCWC and MU/Frostburg:

http://www.d3baseball.com/pressreleases/Lynchburg/2008/02/13/LC-Baseball-Heads-South-For-Busy-Weekend/2195

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 14, 2008, 10:51:25 AM
Tough weekend.....Looks like lynchburg will be facing The Bird Man...He is trying to recover from what seems to be an arm injury.
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Post by: A.G. on February 14, 2008, 03:54:26 PM
The Bird Man?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 14, 2008, 04:43:27 PM
NCWC's senior Kyle Robertson's nickname is Bird. This is his first outing after battling back from a shoulder injury. From what I understand his teammates are very happy and excited for him. It would have been easy for him to pack it in as a senior, but he chose to work his way back to the hill to pitch for the Bishops his senior year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 14, 2008, 06:29:25 PM
That is very impressive...and I shall wish him a good 3 inning stint...and hope the NCWC bullpen gets lit up after he departs the game ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 15, 2008, 01:42:38 AM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on February 14, 2008, 04:43:27 PM
NCWC's senior Kyle Robertson's nickname is Bird. This is his first outing after battling back from a shoulder injury. From what I understand his teammates are very happy and excited for him. It would have been easy for him to pack it in as a senior, but he chose to work his way back to the hill to pitch for the Bishops his senior year.

I hope he is 100% He is an emotional leader, tone setter, and displays a solid glove.  Good use of the word battling.  I pushed through the same injury he had for two years.  I can feel it everyday.  Hornets7 when Kyle is healthy he is one of the most dominant pitchers in the region.  Stats to follow:

This is his line from the conference tournament championship game in 06:
N.C. Wesleyan                  IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
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ROBERTSON, Kyle  W,6-2.....   9.0  1  0  0  3  5   0  1  2  0   27 33   5 16
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2008, 08:14:01 AM
here is an article from the fayetteville obeserver  (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=285825) about seth kivett's hot start
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 15, 2008, 08:30:29 AM
I'll be at Wesleyan on the 15th and 16th of next month to see this kid in action.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 15, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 15, 2008, 08:30:29 AM
I'll be at Wesleyan on the 15th and 16th of next month to see this kid in action.

I should be there also.  I saw Kivett play at CNU last year and will have to see him again.  He could be a pro prospect his Junior Year.  Also it is hard to not see the NCWC/Methodist game. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on February 15, 2008, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:34:18 PM
Captains get an 11-0 win to open 2008 yesterday over Hampden-Sydney (narch add another USAS win over the ODAC  ;D) Kenny goes five and strikes out six, walks two and allowed just one his. Three other hurlers combined for four innings and allowed no hits. Chris Despins hit a BOMB to straight away centerfield yesterday and went 3-of-4 with four RBI. This kid is MAMMOTH!! He's 6-5, I dont know what he weighs, but he is a beast.

CNU gets Eastern Mennonite tomorrow at 2:30 pm.

Sounds like another masher first name of Chris they used to have.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 15, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
The Bishops notched another win this afternoon over Lynchburg 9-4. Kyle Robertson went 5 innings to record his 1st win after a long lay offed due to injury. Congratulations to Bird and the Battling Bishops. Up next is Piedmont Saturday and Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 15, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
A lot of guys got hits.  The LC starter has serious control issues the first inning, as the Bishops batted around.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2008, 08:44:05 AM
the monarchs won 9-2 over frostburg yesterday - big pitching performance from kisiah going 7 strong with 7 hits, 0 er and 7 k's - lynchburg today at 1...should be a great day for baseball

game story & box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/frostburg0215.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 16, 2008, 05:07:35 PM
NCWC dropped one today to Piedmont... 5-3... Im willing to bet it was a pitching duel into the late innings and somehow piedmont blew it open...Haven't seen the box score or heard how the game went yet.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2008, 08:51:08 PM
lynchburg gets mu, 7-5 today - toth wasn't sharp...i think he gave up 5 runs in 3+ ip - his stuff looked good, but he struggled to locate and really labored - kivett was 0-3 when i left, but he hit a ball on the nose with a runner at 2nd that was right at the 2b...that was actually a big inning for lc and one that could have decided the outcome of the game - carter led off the inning with a dribbler that the ss threw away (his 2nd error of the game to that point) and advanced to 2nd with kivett at bat...and the monarchs didn't score him - i was more impressed with kivett in the field...he made a couple of spectacular defensive plays
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Post by: A.G. on February 16, 2008, 09:01:57 PM
narch...are you going to be there on Sunday.  I would sure like to meet you.

It seemed #5 was pressing...but he sure impressed the heck out of me at 3B.  Very good ball player.  LC was fortunate to escape the 5 errors out of its infield.  I have no idea who we're throwing in the game at 4 on Sunday?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 10:14:46 PM
The Captains split a DH with Arcadia today. The Knights scored eight in the top of the second and CNU put two up in the fourth I think before scoring six, most of those came with two outs, in the bottom of the seventh to force the extra frames, where the Captains won it in the bottom of the ninth.

In game two, CNU scored three times in the first and one more in the second to take an early 4-0 lead. Arcadia came from behind in this one to win it 8-4.

Up next, Gwynedd-Mercy Sunday at 11 am.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2008, 11:14:57 PM
hornets7...won't be there sunday, unfortunately

you didn't happen to be the guy yelling at the umpire about tom austin's winning percentage at shelley-armstrong field, did you :) - the lynchburg fans sure did a lot of complaining about calls (a couple of the complaints were very much justified, i'd add)

the monarchs got a solid pitching performance from landon jordan in game 2 today as he went 5.1 with 5 k's and just 1 er in an 11-1 win...i imagine bisplinghoff will go for mu on the hill on sunday - i'm also wondering if kurt kelly is hurt...he led the monarchs in starts and was 2nd in ip's last year and hasn't pitched yet this season - if the monarchs can continue to get quality starts from jordan and kisiah, can add kelly into the mix at some point and can get toth throwing strikes to go along with solid contributions from bisplinghoff and the geisinger coming out of the pen in long releif and making occassional mid-week starts, the makings for a very solid rotation are there

on the offensive side, kenly locklear hit 2 bombs in the night cap giving mu 11 as a team this year...and they hit 7 as a team all last season - i do think this team is going to much better offensively than they were last year - quinn didn't play at all today...i know the lynchburg starter was a lhp...the frostburg roster didn't specify wether their starter was a righty or a lefty...hope he's not hurt
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 17, 2008, 07:26:45 AM
Sorry I will miss you, narch.  MU is a good squad and our bats just finally woke up, yesterday.  Going into the games, we only had TWO guys that were over .300...and that is not good for a team that usually leads the ODAC in hitting....and FIVE E's is in excusable for a team that was second in the nation in fielding last year (and all five were by returnees).

As far as the line about Coach Austin...that was pretty funny...and wish I'd have thought of it...but that was another dad.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 17, 2008, 01:22:21 PM
NCWC...I tried to send you an email to answer the question you posed to me in the email you sent me but it was returned to me with a delivery failure notice after 8 attempts. Please let me know what I need to do to get an email through. I used the email address under your board name. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2008, 04:09:59 PM
hornets7 - i don't want to take anything away from lc and the lc bats, but 3 walks and a hit batter in 2.2 innings by toth certainly helped them generate some runs - the hit batter came with 2 outs and a 1-2 count (after what should have been strike three...the umpire shouldn't have given the batter time while the pitcher was in his windup and it's unlikely he would have swung at the ball or hit it if he had swung with one hand in the air as the air as the ball passed by him), and the next guy gets a hit that scores three runs (and toth's inability to find the plate certainly aided that at-bat...he went 3-0 on him before the questionable strike one call...3-1 sure is a good count to hit with, especially when the bases are loaded) - the last walk was a 2 out walk when toth had 2-2 count - the next 2 guys get singles that each drive in a run - again, i don't want to take anything away from lynchburg because they were great 2-strike and 2-out hitters, but toth sure helped them out by failing to put guys away and putting runners on in critical situations...only one of the guys he put on base didn't score - he went through a couple of periods when he struggled with control last year, as well...when toth turns things around (and i'm very confident he will...he's too good not to), there won't be many teams scoring 5 runs in 2.2 innings on him
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on February 17, 2008, 04:40:51 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 16, 2008, 05:07:35 PM
NCWC dropped one today to Piedmont... 5-3... Im willing to bet it was a pitching duel into the late innings and somehow piedmont blew it open...Haven't seen the box score or heard how the game went yet.

Interesting, Marietta opens with these guys down in north Georgia. Last year they were pretty decent but we beat them, kept waiting for them to go on a run of wins last year and it never happened. Maybe they're going to put it together this year, but hopefully not against the Etta Express :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2008, 06:04:32 PM
Piedmont started off 5-0 through yesterday.  NCWC beat them today 10-3 with a grand slam off the bat of jc transfer beauloseil.  Beauloseil is leading the team in average, rbi's, hr's, and total bases. He is turning out to be a very good pickup for the Bishops (5-2).  It looks like the NCWC coaches changed the lineup today to try to break out of a horrible day at the plate yesterday. Leading off with Pecora who went 0-1 with 4 walks. Jr. Ben Moore went 7 innings and gave up three runs.  So. Doug Roenker came in for 2 innings of scoreless relief.  The boys have 4 days to get ready for the number 1 team in the nation.  Im willing to bet Mr. Robertson if ready, will get the ball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2008, 04:09:59 PM
hornets7 - i don't want to take anything away from lc and the lc bats, but 3 walks and a hit batter in 2.2 innings by toth certainly helped them generate some runs - the hit batter came with 2 outs and a 1-2 count (after what should have been strike three...the umpire shouldn't have given the batter time while the pitcher was in his windup and it's unlikely he would have swung at the ball or hit it if he had swung with one hand in the air as the air as the ball passed by him), and the next guy gets a hit that scores three runs (and toth's inability to find the plate certainly aided that at-bat...he went 3-0 on him before the questionable strike one call...3-1 sure is a good count to hit with, especially when the bases are loaded) - the last walk was a 2 out walk when toth had 2-2 count - the next 2 guys get singles that each drive in a run - again, i don't want to take anything away from lynchburg because they were great 2-strike and 2-out hitters, but toth sure helped them out by failing to put guys away and putting runners on in critical situations...only one of the guys he put on base didn't score - he went through a couple of periods when he struggled with control last year, as well...when toth turns things around (and i'm very confident he will...he's too good not to), there won't be many teams scoring 5 runs in 2.2 innings on him

Narch, can't 7 be happy for a day.  Bad starts for pitchers happen but you cant take the L back.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2008, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 17, 2008, 06:14:13 PMNarch, can't 7 be happy for a day.  Bad starts for pitchers happen but you cant take the L back.
sure...but just for a day :)

the monarchs win 13-11 today - bisplinghoff got hit hard today giving up 5 runs (4 er) in 3 ip - sholar got hammered on the back end, giving up 4 er in 2 innings...in between, it was the monarchs scoring in bunches - kivett hit a grand slam in the 3rd, halpin hit a solo shot in the 5th and proctor hit a three run jack later in the fifth - the monarchs got another 4 spot in the 7th

frostburg had a tough weekend...a 9-2 loss, an 18-1 loss, an 11-1 loss and a 13-1 loss...out scored 51-5 on the weekend..ouch

...and they were an ncaa tournament team last year...they must have lost a LOT
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 10:25:12 PM
Captains win 6-5 in 11 over Gwynedd-Mercy today. Kenny Moreland went 8, struck out 12, walked one, allowed three runs on three hits. Left with the lead and his brother allowed two in the top of the ninth to blow the save. McDougal's RBI single in the 11th lifted the Captains to their second extra inning win in as many days. Up next, Randolh-Macon, Wednesday at home.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on February 17, 2008, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2008, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 17, 2008, 06:14:13 PMNarch, can't 7 be happy for a day.  Bad starts for pitchers happen but you cant take the L back.
sure...but just for a day :)

the monarchs win 13-11 today - bisplinghoff got hit hard today giving up 5 runs (4 er) in 3 ip - sholar got hammered on the back end, giving up 4 er in 2 innings...in between, it was the monarchs scoring in bunches - kivett hit a grand slam in the 3rd, halpin hit a solo shot in the 5th and proctor hit a three run jack later in the fifth - the monarchs got another 4 spot in the 7th

frostburg had a tough weekend...a 9-2 loss, an 18-1 loss, an 11-1 loss and a 13-1 loss...out scored 51-5 on the weekend..ouch

...and they were an ncaa tournament team last year...they must have lost a LOT

Looks like they lost some pitching!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 18, 2008, 12:19:13 AM
narch - I don't want to take anything away from MU and the MU bats, but walks and errors certainly helped them generate some runs - again, i don't want to take anything away from Methodist because they were great hitters, but the LC pitching sure helped them out by failing to put guys away and putting runners on in critical situations...only one or two of the guys we put on base didn't score - there won't be many teams scoring 13 runs ion us    :-*

Definitely a hard-fought game by both LC and MU on Sunday.  Very entertaining.  Our last out was a deep fly to the warning track on a ball which would have tied the game in the 9th.  I REALLY like how MU played little ball on Saturday and long ball on Sunday. 
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Post by: narch on February 18, 2008, 08:08:59 AM
hornets7 - walks and errors make it difficult to win, but you can't take the loss back :)...when i saw the box score, i wondered how long it would take you to throw my words back at me...touché
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Post by: A.G. on February 18, 2008, 11:09:42 AM
Thanks.  Walks and errors enabled us to win on Saturday.  That's baseball karma for you.  Good luck to MU the rest of the way....the USASAC is going to be tough...especially Averett having legit #1 and #2 with the addition of Hildreth to Shelton.
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Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 10:25:12 PM
Captains win 6-5 in 11 over Gwynedd-Mercy today. Kenny Moreland went 8, struck out 12, walked one, allowed three runs on three hits. Left with the lead and his brother allowed two in the top of the ninth to blow the save. McDougal's RBI single in the 11th lifted the Captains to their second extra inning win in as many days. Up next, Randolh-Macon, Wednesday at home.

Hey RTT,

I remember that McDougal kid...from Denbigh, right? How did CNU get him? I always felt he was right up there with the Menchville kids who are now at UVA, Va Tech, and ODU.
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Post by: NCWC on February 18, 2008, 03:00:49 PM
Looks like one of the golden boys struggled this weekend:
Averett                        IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
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SHELTON, Ahmed  L..........   5.0  5  4  4 6  0   2  0  0  0   20 26   7  7
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Post by: A.G. on February 18, 2008, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: NCWC on February 18, 2008, 03:00:49 PM
Looks like one of the golden boys struggled this weekend:
Averett                        IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
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SHELTON, Ahmed  L..........   5.0  5  4  4 6  0   2  0  0  0   20 26   7  7

Perhaps he forgot to take his GERITOL that morning...
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Post by: NCWC on February 19, 2008, 04:07:02 PM
There is a video of Kyle Kendrick of the Phillies being traded on U tube.  I think it came out today.  Any baseball fan/player would appreciate the humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nKKqPOiJxI
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Post by: A.G. on February 19, 2008, 06:12:58 PM
I want to congratulate Seth Kivett from MU for his player of the week.  After reading about his early season exploits, seeing him this past weekend was as advertised.  I can't believe he's just a sophomore.  Most impressive to me, was his defense, as he made some very tough plays against LC.  Even though (other than the granny he hit), we held him in check, he's the real deal and impressed me more than Thomas from Ferrum did last year.
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Post by: narch on February 19, 2008, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 19, 2008, 06:12:58 PM
I want to congratulate Seth Kivett from MU for his player of the week.  After reading about his early season exploits, seeing him this past weekend was as advertised.  I can't believe he's just a sophomore.  Most impressive to me, was his defense, as he made some very tough plays against LC.  Even though (other than the granny he hit), we held him in check, he's the real deal and impressed me more than Thomas from Ferrum did last year.
that's high praise...he did make a couple of really special defensive plays - i knew he was going to be a great hitter, and he's off to a great start, but i don't know that anyone human can keep up the pace he's on right now - the key for the monarchs will be to have other guys step up when kivett cools

i think i read that a certain hornet (#7) got odac player of the week, as well...congrats to him!
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Post by: A.G. on February 20, 2008, 07:26:15 AM
Thanks, narch.  After playing 3B all spring and the first 3 games, they pulled the trigger and moved #7 to LF (due to some OF problems)...which is why he is listed at UTI on the roster.  They way our freshman 3B played, I think he'll stick there.
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Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 20, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 10:25:12 PM
Captains win 6-5 in 11 over Gwynedd-Mercy today. Kenny Moreland went 8, struck out 12, walked one, allowed three runs on three hits. Left with the lead and his brother allowed two in the top of the ninth to blow the save. McDougal's RBI single in the 11th lifted the Captains to their second extra inning win in as many days. Up next, Randolh-Macon, Wednesday at home.

Hey RTT,

I remember that McDougal kid...from Denbigh, right? How did CNU get him? I always felt he was right up there with the Menchville kids who are now at UVA, Va Tech, and ODU.

Considering this is his third season.....he didnt like Salisbury when he spent his freshman year there and got in touch with Harvell, who had interest in him when he was a senior in high school, and said come on down.
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Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 20, 2008, 07:17:41 PM
Captains notch another win today by knocking off Randolph-Macon, 11-7. Trae Bailey drove in six runs, including smacking a three-run shot and totaled four hits. Ryan McDougal had two hits and Eric Cole also homered. Brandon Berry had a solid start by throwing five innings and allowing three runs on three hits. CNU is now 4-1 and play Villa Julie, at home, again, on Saturday at noon. They then have Bridgewater and Salisbury at home on Sunday.
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Post by: NCWC on February 20, 2008, 08:35:05 PM
Chalk another one up for the USAS
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Post by: A.G. on February 20, 2008, 09:26:41 PM
Guess that makes up for the loss Averett took from the hands of Guilford. 
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Post by: NCWC on February 21, 2008, 04:21:48 PM
Wheelin Wes, How is it looking for tomorrow.  Any idea what the rotation will be through the weekend?


Its hard to believe that Conference games start next weekend (March 1).  Hopefully, Old Westbury will have a pitcher that simulates Kenny Moreland.
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 22, 2008, 02:40:11 PM
NCWC....Game today with Cortland was canceled due to heavy rain in the state, which we really need the rain here in NC, but I think everyone was looking forward to that game. I think they will be able to get the 3 game series with Westbury in on Saturday and Sunday. The way I understand the rotation as of now, it will be Robertson, Diener, and Moore against Westbury in that order with Knowles and Roenker against Capital next Wed. and Thur. Yes, it's hard to believe but February is all but gone and conference play starts on the road next weekend. Hopefully the Bishops can roll into Newport on a 6 game winning streak.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 23, 2008, 09:30:43 PM
NCWC sweeps DH from Old Westbury.  robertson throws a 7 inning 1 hit 10 k shutout.  Can't want to see my boys play next weekend at CNU.   
Hope to see a Robertson/Moreland matchup. 
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Post by: NCWC on February 24, 2008, 03:34:51 PM
Wesleyan baseball takes four from Old Westbury

Rocky Mount, NC - North Carolina Wesleyan's baseball team enjoyed two doubleheader sweeps over the weekend, taking a four-game set from SUNY Old Westbury at Bauer Field on Saturday and Sunday. Justin Diener, Kyle Robertson, Ben Moore, and Doug Roenker all picked up wins on the mound for the Bishops, who improved to 9-2 with the victories.  Old Westbury is now 0-4 to start the season.

Saturday saw the Bishops earn 13-8 and 1-0 wins, respectively.

In the series opener, both teams struggled defensively as a host of unearned runs led to a 6-5 Wesleyan lead after three innings of play.

Thanks to a pair two-run singles by Matt Smith and Ted Williams, the Bishops were able to open the game up with a seven-spot in the fifth.  The Panthers answered with three runs of their own in the seventh, but it was too little to late as NCWC cruised to the victory.

David Collado paced the Panther offense with two hits, three RBI, and two runs scored.  Williams was 3-for-4 to lead the Bishops, who tallied 12 hits as a team.

On the mound, Diener (2-0) picked up the win and George Pagan (0-1) the loss.

Game two featured a pitcher's dual between Wesleyan's Kyle Robertson and Old Westbury's Rob Whitenack.  Robertson (2-0) was nearly untouchable in a complete game one-hit shutout.  He also tallied an impressive ten strikeouts.

Whitenack was just as effective in six complete innings of two-hit baseball.  He was pulled prior to the seventh in favor of Jake Tauber (0-1), who suffered the loss after giving up the game's only run.

After Jason Gay was hit by a Tauber offering to lead off the inning, Bishop head coach Charlie Long called on the speedy Joel Creef to pinch run.  Creef was promptly advanced to second by a Justin Tuck sacrifice bunt and scored by a walk-off single to right by freshman Justin Rahm for the 1-0 final.

In Sunday's first game, Wesleyan plated six runs over the first three innings, which was more than enough for Moore. Moore (2-1) struck out ten and allowed just two runs (one earned) on four hits in the complete game effort.

Offensively, Smith and Justin Batts each had two hits and two RBI for the Bishops, who went on to plate three insurance runs in the fifth for a 9-2 final.

Collado (0-1) took the loss for the Panthers.  He allowed five runs (four earned) on four hits while walking six in two innings of work.

The series finale saw the Bishops open up a 4-0 advantage after three. Creef and Smith plated Wesleyan's first two runs with sacrifice flies, while Batts blasted a two-run homer over the pine trees in left to score runs three and four.

Old Westbury cut the lead in half with two runs on three hits in the fourth. Collado's RBI-single to left scored the Panthers' first run, while the second came on a first and third situation that saw Collado get caught stealing.

Smith later added an insurance run on yet another sac-fly, while Luke Williford, Jason Webb, and Chris Pecora all drove in runs to complete a six-run fifth and 10-2 final.

Roenker (1-0) went five innings and allowed two runs on nine hits.  He also struck out six and walked none. Tom Butler (0-1) took the loss for the Panthers.

The Bishops return to action on Wednesday when they play host to Capital University. First pitch is slated for 3:00 p.m. at Bauer Field.

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Post by: NCWC on February 24, 2008, 03:41:00 PM
Regarding the last post.  I thought the biggest weakness for the Bishops this year was going to be the pitching staff.  I know it is early yet, but they have been pretty impressive.  Catfish and wheelin wes, who would have thought they would have made so many errors already.  They cant keep that  5 error a game pace up through conference.  Game four featured a pretty talented group of freshman.
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Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 24, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
Captains split two games over the weekend. They lost to Villa Julie 5-3 Saturday. They had the bases loaded and one or no one out and only scored once.

CNU bounced back for a 9-1 win over Bridgewater on Sunday. Kenny Moreland had another outstanding performance on the hill, going 8 innings, allowing one run on five hits, walked none and struckout 12 (again) to win his second outting of the year.

The Captains host VA Wesleyan Tuesdaya at 2:30.
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 25, 2008, 09:49:09 AM
The Bishops had a good 4 game series this weekend with very strong pitching and solid hitting with a lot of timely hits to drive in runs. The pitching and hitting is coming into place, but they must stop leading in the last column on the score board or they will cease to lead on the first column. The errors that were made this weekend were not really tough errors, more of lack of focus. I think and hope they will get that cleaned up quick. NCWC... the freshman are really contributing and playing well. The freshman SS, Rahm, really stepped up with clutch hitting and outstanding defense in the field.   
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2008, 12:29:21 PM
Can't wait to see NCWC play this weekend.  Finally get a good look at these freshman. 
Any body going to be at the Methodist vs.  NCWC game on the 15th.  I think I am going so I can get another look at Kivett and whatever else MU may have to offer the Braves.
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Post by: A.G. on February 25, 2008, 12:59:43 PM
I noticed Shelton got lit up for the 2nd straight outing...only throwing 1 IP vs Emory and Henry.  Does anyone know if he's hurting on the mound, b/c he is still getting time out in the outfield.
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Post by: NCWC on February 25, 2008, 02:08:40 PM
Someone told me that he wasn't planning on coming back to Averett after last season, that may have something to do with it.
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Post by: A.G. on February 25, 2008, 04:27:27 PM
We faced him last year, so if he pitches tomorrow against us I'll offer some comparisons.
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 25, 2008, 05:09:56 PM
Catfish... I'll be there for both games. Looking forward to seeing this match up. I hope we have some great weather that weekend.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 26, 2008, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on February 25, 2008, 05:09:56 PM
Catfish... I'll be there for both games. Looking forward to seeing this match up. I hope we have some great weather that weekend.

I'll be there behind the backstop probably with a Braves or NCWC hat with the Radar Gun.  Come on over and we can talk it up. 
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Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 10:50:04 AM
Whatever's going on at Ferrum, our condolences -- everyone stay safe!
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 26, 2008, 10:59:00 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 26, 2008, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on February 25, 2008, 05:09:56 PM
Catfish... I'll be there for both games. Looking forward to seeing this match up. I hope we have some great weather that weekend.

I'll be there behind the backstop probably with a Braves or NCWC hat with the Radar Gun.  Come on over and we can talk it up. 

I look forward to meeting you on the 15th at Methodist game. When you are behind the backstop, I'll be near you because I set up in that same general area. If you look around you'll probably figure out who I am or I'll give you a shout. It should be some good baseball. I hope the Bishops keep up the good work and eliminate the errors this weekend at CNU.  First things first, they need to take two from Capital this week.
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Post by: NCWC on February 27, 2008, 06:21:15 PM
Wheelin Wes and Catfish the way it is looking right now i would be able to make it that weekend.

Wesleyan takes care of business today, becoming the first 10 win team in d3 this season?
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 27, 2008, 09:08:34 PM
Wesleyan takes their record to 10-2 today with 10-2 win over Capital today.

I hope you can make it up to Rocky Mount for the games that weekend NCWC.
Quote from: NCWC on February 27, 2008, 06:21:15 PM
Wheelin Wes and Catfish the way it is looking right now i would be able to make it that weekend.

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Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 09:17:12 PM
Weather forecast for the Newport News area Saturday is 57 and sunny and Sunday is 54 sunny. No rain at this point in time is scheduled in the forecast, so it should be a great weekend for baseball at Captains Park for CNU and Bishops.
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Post by: A.G. on February 27, 2008, 09:56:51 PM
Nothing like having the two top dogs facing off the first weekend.  I suspect those two plus Methodist will have a dog fight for the regular season title. 
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Post by: NCWC on February 27, 2008, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on February 27, 2008, 09:08:34 PM
Wesleyan takes their record to 10-2 today with 10-2 win over Capital today.

I hope you can make it up to Rocky Mount for the games that weekend NCWC.
Quote from: NCWC on February 27, 2008, 06:21:15 PM
Wheelin Wes and Catfish the way it is looking right now i would be able to make it that weekend.





I have no idea why all this is in the blue box


It would be about an 800 mile drive, one I find myself making often.


Rikki....  It will be a good weekend...I have a feeling Wesleyan will save Robertson for sunday...Ben Moore will probably go saturday....I'm a little concerned with the second game that is scheduled for wesleyan on saturday.

7......Probably a three way tie again but instead of the top teams being 7-5 i think they will be 8-4
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 28, 2008, 08:57:04 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 09:17:12 PM
Weather forecast for the Newport News area Saturday is 57 and sunny and Sunday is 54 sunny. No rain at this point in time is scheduled in the forecast, so it should be a great weekend for baseball at Captains Park for CNU and Bishops.
Better be good weather I am at least going to the 1st game.  Perhaps the Sunday if Robertson does not throw.  I have not seen him on the mound since his freshman year.  With the numbers he is putting up I think that at least deserves a look. 
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Post by: A.G. on February 28, 2008, 10:33:55 AM
A guy like Robertson is easy to root for...even from the opposition.  It was obvious when he pitched against LC how much it meant to the NCWC players for him to do well.  I am glad to see his is building on the success he had against us.
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Post by: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 12:40:06 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 10:33:55 AM
A guy like Robertson is easy to root for...even from the opposition.  It was obvious when he pitched against LC how much it meant to the NCWC players for him to do well.  I am glad to see his is building on the success he had against us.

7 or WheelinWes.... when Kyle has thrown this year has it been free and easy or did he look max effort.  There were times when he would be throwing around 86-87 and pop 92 with what looked like less effort.
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Post by: A.G. on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.
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Post by: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.


I know he is capable of cranking it up to the 90's, My guess is he will develop his velocity as the season gets going.  He is regaining his strength. He has got to have an upside after college. 6'4'' 170.... what if 6'4'' 190-195
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Post by: Wood on February 28, 2008, 09:09:50 PM
Wesleyan in a tight game with Capital .  4 to 3
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Post by: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 11:01:50 PM
NC Wesleyan            IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
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KNOWLES, Max........  5.0  2  2  1  3  6 14 19
KRASNOWIECKI, David.  2.0  2  1  1  1  3  8 11
WEBB, Andrew........  2.0  0  0  0  0  1  6  6



Not bad for a group of freshman....  It looks like there is a lot of depth in that Wesleyan bullpen.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 29, 2008, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.


I know he is capable of cranking it up to the 90's, My guess is he will develop his velocity as the season gets going.  He is regaining his strength. He has got to have an upside after college. 6'4'' 170.... what if 6'4'' 190-195

I will let you know if I think he has a shot at pro ball this weekend.  even if he shows some good stuff he injury history will hurt him with a lot of teams. 
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 29, 2008, 10:11:52 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 11:01:50 PM
NC Wesleyan            IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
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KNOWLES, Max........  5.0  2  2  1  3  6 14 19
KRASNOWIECKI, David.  2.0  2  1  1  1  3  8 11
WEBB, Andrew........  2.0  0  0  0  0  1  6  6



Not bad for a group of freshman....  It looks like there is a lot of depth in that Wesleyan bullpen.


Very solid work from all three freshman hurlers, they all did a great job fulfilling their roles on the staff. The freshman class has a lot of quality arms that are only going to get better as they get older. It was a good win but the Bishops didn't produce any run support early as they had some opportunities but I've got to give the Capital team credit for making some incredible defensive plays behind their pitcher to keep Wesleyan runs off the board. I also credit the Bishops for Battling and continuing to hit the ball hard and plating enough runs for the win.

NCWC....The game I saw Robertson throw against Old Westbury, he was very loose and throwing without overexerting. He had great command, hitting his spots on both sides of the plate. He looked like he was consistently around 86 and touched it up there a little harder than that a few times. His change-up was very effective with good sink and he only threw 3 breaking balls and they were sharp. It appears he's working his way back back to pre-injury form.

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Post by: NCWC on February 29, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 29, 2008, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.


I know he is capable of cranking it up to the 90's, My guess is he will develop his velocity as the season gets going.  He is regaining his strength. He has got to have an upside after college. 6'4'' 170.... what if 6'4'' 190-195

I will let you know if I think he has a shot at pro ball this weekend.  even if he shows some good stuff he injury history will hurt him with a lot of teams. 


All he has to do is catch one eye.
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Post by: mm77 on February 29, 2008, 09:58:30 PM
How fast were the freshmen throwing?
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Post by: hokieone on March 01, 2008, 04:07:23 PM
CNU wins the opener against UNCW, 7-3, Kenny Moreland going 8 innings for the win. Very tight game until CNU broke it open with 4 runs in the botton of the 8th. UNCW now playing Ramapo, and was leading 5-2 after one inning. Could be a slugfest with Ramapo using several pitchers yesterday against CNU and UNCW saving their top dogs for tomorrow's game with CNU.
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Post by: NCWC on March 01, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
 No stolen base attempts?  That would be the ignition of that offense.
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Post by: hokieone on March 02, 2008, 09:54:02 PM
UNCW bounces back to  win Sunday, 9-6. A tight pitchers duel was 1-1 going to the top of the 8th, but UNCW got 4 in the 8th and 4 in the 9th , then withstood CNU putting up 1 in the 8th and 4 in the ninth. UNCW's pitcher, Ben Moore, threw a gem but boy did his pitch count have to be high; odd they sent him back out in the top of the ninth, leading 9-2. Millereleile threw well for CNU but too many leadoff walks and some timely UNCW hitting got to him in the 8th. Both teams look to have plenty of pitching and sticks. Good series to watch. UNCW travelled well, bring a lot of fans up with them and they were delightful folks.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2008, 09:14:03 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 29, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 29, 2008, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.


I know he is capable of cranking it up to the 90's, My guess is he will develop his velocity as the season gets going.  He is regaining his strength. He has got to have an upside after college. 6'4'' 170.... what if 6'4'' 190-195

I will let you know if I think he has a shot at pro ball this weekend.  even if he shows some good stuff he injury history will hurt him with a lot of teams. 


All he has to do is catch one eye.

Even if he catches one eye, then someone else has to confrim what the Area Scout saw.  Then if the 1st person to see him is a Associate Scout or a Part Time scout then area scout has to see him, then put a report into the system, upon the area scout giving a recommendation then a National CrossChecker or another Area Scout perhaps have to confirm what the 1st area scout saw.  So it actually 2-3 people to get a player drafted.  Or if they have seen by a scout with the MLB scouting Bureau then that can be used as a cross check for high round draft picks. 
Free Agents even have to be cross checked if they are being signed during the summer just to fill roster spots in the lower levels. 
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Post by: NCWC on March 03, 2008, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 03, 2008, 09:14:03 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 29, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
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Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.


I know he is capable of cranking it up to the 90's, My guess is he will develop his velocity as the season gets going.  He is regaining his strength. He has got to have an upside after college. 6'4'' 170.... what if 6'4'' 190-195

I will let you know if I think he has a shot at pro ball this weekend.  even if he shows some good stuff he injury history will hurt him with a lot of teams. 


All he has to do is catch one eye.

Even if he catches one eye, then someone else has to confrim what the Area Scout saw.  Then if the 1st person to see him is a Associate Scout or a Part Time scout then area scout has to see him, then put a report into the system, upon the area scout giving a recommendation then a National CrossChecker or another Area Scout perhaps have to confirm what the 1st area scout saw.  So it actually 2-3 people to get a player drafted.  Or if they have seen by a scout with the MLB scouting Bureau then that can be used as a cross check for high round draft picks. 
Free Agents even have to be cross checked if they are being signed during the summer just to fill roster spots in the lower levels. 


I know, I was just trying to be optimistic.  Catfish, did you attend the games this weekend?  If so, what was working for Ben Moore (10k's)?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 03, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
I can answer that for you: his control. His velocity was good college level velocity, not overpowering, but he hit his spots very well all day long, kept the ball down, nice breaking ball. He might want to avoid the occasional bohemian scream when he K's somebody.  Good looking pitcher.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2008, 02:04:14 PM
the monarchs salvaged a split with su yesterday thanks to a bomb by quinn...i'm concerned about the mu pitching, something i thought would be a strength going into the season - kelly hasn't pitched this year and to this point toth, bisplinghoff and geisinger have been largely ineffective - they're 10 and 5 as a team, but somehow i feel as though they're 5 and 10 - if the arms can come around, this team seems to be one that can score runs in bunches, unlike the last few years

they get d2 alderson broaddus (coached by former mu assistant coach, milan rasic) on tuesday, vwc on wednesday and 2 against ferrum over the weekend...winning 3 out of 4 might change my tune a little...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 03, 2008, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 03, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
I can answer that for you: his control. His velocity was good college level velocity, not overpowering, but he hit his spots very well all day long, kept the ball down, nice breaking ball. He might want to avoid the occasional bohemian scream when he K's somebody.  Good looking pitcher.

When he came in his freshman year he would do it after about every big out.  He is a very emotional player, borderline feminine.  I don't think Coach Long cares for it to much and I  know the other team doesn't like it.  Its just Ben being Ben.


Wesleyan kissed their sister today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 04, 2008, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 03, 2008, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 03, 2008, 09:14:03 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 29, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 29, 2008, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: NCWC on February 28, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on February 28, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
He looked very loose and easy-throwing to me.  Against us, I am sure there were some nerves and he definitely was NOT in the 88-92 range.  He hit his spots and had pretty good command of his breaking stuff.  IF...he is able to crank it up to the 88-92 range, he will be flat nasty-filthy-dirty.


I know he is capable of cranking it up to the 90's, My guess is he will develop his velocity as the season gets going.  He is regaining his strength. He has got to have an upside after college. 6'4'' 170.... what if 6'4'' 190-195

I will let you know if I think he has a shot at pro ball this weekend.  even if he shows some good stuff he injury history will hurt him with a lot of teams. 


All he has to do is catch one eye.

Even if he catches one eye, then someone else has to confrim what the Area Scout saw.  Then if the 1st person to see him is a Associate Scout or a Part Time scout then area scout has to see him, then put a report into the system, upon the area scout giving a recommendation then a National CrossChecker or another Area Scout perhaps have to confirm what the 1st area scout saw.  So it actually 2-3 people to get a player drafted.  Or if they have seen by a scout with the MLB scouting Bureau then that can be used as a cross check for high round draft picks. 
Free Agents even have to be cross checked if they are being signed during the summer just to fill roster spots in the lower levels. 


I know, I was just trying to be optimistic.  Catfish, did you attend the games this weekend?  If so, what was working for Ben Moore (10k's)?
That is cool, I was just trying to make a point on how difficult it is to get some of these D3 guys who have the talent to get drafted.  I only made it to the Saturday, Sunday I was at the Old Dominion v Temple game.
Kyle looked pretty good he was mostly around 84-86 with a nice changeup.   Moreland topped at 88 but was mostly 85-86.  Neither will probably be drafted but I think both have a chance to play independent ball or prehaps sign as a Senior Free Agent after getting a invite to someones post draft senior workout.    Pecora looks like he is well on his way to getting picked up again.   Also I think Matt Smith has a small chance of being picked up, the only thing hurting him is his size.  I see nothing else wrong with his game besides his size that would prevent him from getting signed.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 04, 2008, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 03, 2008, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 03, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
I can answer that for you: his control. His velocity was good college level velocity, not overpowering, but he hit his spots very well all day long, kept the ball down, nice breaking ball. He might want to avoid the occasional bohemian scream when he K's somebody.  Good looking pitcher.

When he came in his freshman year he would do it after about every big out.  He is a very emotional player, borderline feminine.  I don't think Coach Long cares for it to much and I  know the other team doesn't like it.  Its just Ben being Ben.


Wesleyan kissed their sister today.
I was at the game yesterday.  We should have run away with that game.  he out hit them all game long, Deiner pitched a really nice game.  The 1st run they scored came from a error and a balk with man on 1st and 3rd. 
They had a good looking reliever in Chris Deanes who was throwing 88-90 with a good breaking ball. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 04, 2008, 12:09:12 PM
The NCWC and Virgina Wesleyan game from yesterday is just a tie until they come to Rocky Mount on March 18. The game will be picked up right where it was left off and finished to determine a winner. That is what was agreed to yesterday but I guess it could change if either team changes their mind or some time restraints or other factors come into play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 04, 2008, 12:31:55 PM
Does anyone know if NCWC was in VA all weekend?  Its kinda weird that they would have been there for three days and realized that hey if we play this game at 3 it will be called due to light.


Catfish- Any word on Buddy?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GreenJeans on March 04, 2008, 07:43:06 PM
I was looking at the rankings today and cant figure out how Wesleyan is ranked so high.  After looking at there schedule it doesnt appear to have been to strong yet.  I mean 3 wins vs Eastern Mennonite (3-9), 4 winsSuny Old Westburry (0-6), 2 wins Capitol (4-3), and 1 winRamapo (0-3). 10 of there 13 wins have come against 7-21 competition.  Not trying to take anything away from them.  They are a good team with some good players but I just dont feel that are #20 in the nation.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
the monarchs lost 7-4 today...led 3-0 after 6 and had a one hour rain delay...alderson broaddus jumped on the monarch pitching after the delay and won going away - bisplinghoff pitched well going 6 and giving up just 3 hits while striking out 5 - ab is a 5-2 d2...not sure who they've beaten this year, but i know they can swing the bats...that's a quality start for bisp...maybe this will get him on track
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 04, 2008, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: GreenJeans on March 04, 2008, 07:43:06 PM
I was looking at the rankings today and cant figure out how Wesleyan is ranked so high.  After looking at there schedule it doesnt appear to have been to strong yet.  I mean 3 wins vs Eastern Mennonite (3-9), 4 winsSuny Old Westburry (0-6), 2 wins Capitol (4-3), and 1 winRamapo (0-3). 10 of there 13 wins have come against 7-21 competition.  Not trying to take anything away from them.  They are a good team with some good players but I just dont feel that are #20 in the nation.

What team do you think should take their place?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2008, 10:07:13 AM
Quote from: GreenJeans on March 04, 2008, 07:43:06 PM
I was looking at the rankings today and cant figure out how Wesleyan is ranked so high.  After looking at there schedule it doesnt appear to have been to strong yet.  I mean 3 wins vs Eastern Mennonite (3-9), 4 winsSuny Old Westburry (0-6), 2 wins Capitol (4-3), and 1 winRamapo (0-3). 10 of there 13 wins have come against 7-21 competition.  Not trying to take anything away from them.  They are a good team with some good players but I just dont feel that are #20 in the nation.
The one thing you will notice about the D3 rankings is that they are pretty much solely based on your record and what conference you play.  It does not matter who you beat or who you lose to just how many W's and L's you have at the end of the week.  It is far from a science but it is all we have at this point. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GreenJeans on March 05, 2008, 02:04:36 PM
I am not sure who should take Weseyans spot.  I do feel they are good team and as they win more games in the conference they will deserve there ranking.  I just felt this way because of 10 of there 13 wins coming against 7-21 competition.  I mean I feel that the USA South is among the top conferences in D3 baseball and it just might be the best.  Also I know that at the start of the season is when teams play most of those weak teams from up north.

Thanks Catfish for clearing up the way teams are ranked.  I didnt know that it was mainly based on just W's and L's, I didnt know if they looked at strenght of schedule at all.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 05, 2008, 04:14:25 PM
Just wanted to let you know people know that there are several former ODAC and USA South players playing independent baseball, all with different teams.  Please let me know if I have missed any


Jono Brooks (Bridgewater), Rockford Riverhawks
Joe Orgovan (Va. Wesleyan), Pensacola Pelicans
David Whigham (Va. Wesleyan), El Paso Diablos
Brett Thomas (Ferrum), Orange County Flyers
Pat Burgess, (Greensboro), AZL WinterLeague
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2008, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 05, 2008, 04:14:25 PM
Just wanted to let you know people know that there are several former ODAC and USA South players playing independent baseball, all with different teams.  Please let me know if I have missed any


Jono Brooks (Bridgewater), Rockford Riverhawks
Joe Orgovan (Va. Wesleyan), Pensacola Pelicans
David Whigham (Va. Wesleyan), El Paso Diablos
Brett Thomas (Ferrum), Orange County Flyers
Pat Burgess, (Greensboro), AZL WinterLeague

Blake Rice from NCWC played in the South Coast League.  Not sure which team last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 05, 2008, 05:44:10 PM
Averett fell to Lynchburg by a score of 7-6 in a hard-fought game.

http://www.lynchburg.edu/x12208.xml
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 05, 2008, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 05, 2008, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 05, 2008, 04:14:25 PM
Just wanted to let you know people know that there are several former ODAC and USA South players playing independent baseball, all with different teams.  Please let me know if I have missed any


Jono Brooks (Bridgewater), Rockford Riverhawks
Joe Orgovan (Va. Wesleyan), Pensacola Pelicans
David Whigham (Va. Wesleyan), El Paso Diablos
Brett Thomas (Ferrum), Orange County Flyers
Pat Burgess, (Greensboro), AZL WinterLeague

Blake Rice from NCWC played in the South Coast League.  Not sure which team last year.


Blake played for the Macon Music....I think he reports here pretty soon.  Is Jason Sigley still playing?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 05, 2008, 06:34:59 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on March 05, 2008, 05:44:10 PM
Averett fell to Lynchburg by a score of 7-6 in a hard-fought game.

http://www.lynchburg.edu/x12208.xml


I know who I wouldn't want to face with the game on the line.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 05, 2008, 08:02:45 PM
the monarchs get a nice win vs. vwc today, 8-3 - good pitching performances from jordan and kisiah - jordan was credited with the win, but i think it's actually kisiah's decision since jordan didn't go a full 5 - kivett went 3-4 with an rbi and locklear had 3 rbi - mu improves to 11-6 on the season...nice win

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0305.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 05, 2008, 08:30:24 PM
what happened to imperato? im looking at the line and something had to be wrong? did he get injured during the game and have to get pulled narch?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 05, 2008, 09:17:08 PM
I think the box score explains it all. 4 hits 4 runs 4 earned and a walk in 1/3 of an inning.  Most pitchers would get pulled after that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 05, 2008, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: GreenJeans on March 04, 2008, 07:43:06 PM
I was looking at the rankings today and cant figure out how Wesleyan is ranked so high.  After looking at there schedule it doesnt appear to have been to strong yet.  I mean 3 wins vs Eastern Mennonite (3-9), 4 winsSuny Old Westburry (0-6), 2 wins Capitol (4-3), and 1 winRamapo (0-3). 10 of there 13 wins have come against 7-21 competition.  Not trying to take anything away from them.  They are a good team with some good players but I just dont feel that are #20 in the nation.

Despite their record, some of the schools aren't bad.

Old Westbury is 0-2 against teams other than NCWC and plays a very tough schedule, and Capital was a late comer last year in a tough league (not that the USAC isn't). Ramapo had a bunch of wins last year.

Those teams are only 7-11 against teams other than NCWC. :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GreenJeans on March 06, 2008, 12:48:35 AM
Ok I understand the records, all you did was give me the same information I was talking about minus the 10 wesleyan games. Capital has not had a winning season since 2001 and that was 11-10 season, they were 20-21 l dont really call that a good season although it was the most wins they have had in years. Old Westburry's past seasons were not that great either. Ramapo did have a good season last year and it seemed that they played a pretty tough schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 06, 2008, 05:43:56 AM
Quote from: GreenJeans on March 06, 2008, 12:48:35 AM
Ok I understand the records, all you did was give me the same information I was talking about minus the 10 wesleyan games. Capital has not had a winning season since 2001 and that was 11-10 season, they were 20-21 l dont really call that a good season although it was the most wins they have had in years. Old Westburry's past seasons were not that great either. Ramapo did have a good season last year and it seemed that they played a pretty tough schedule.

Well if NCWC wins, it would be pretty hard for their opponent not to lose. So you're saying "OMG they're 7-21", in effect penalizing NCWC for beating someone. So really, they're 7-11 in games not involving NCWC.

Capital played a challenging schedule last year and was in the winner's bracket of the OAC tournament before Otterbein beat them twice. They're not a bad club despite the record.

OW isn't the strongest opponent but it's hard to say what they have when they've only played 2 other games besides NCWC. But their schedule is such that it's hard to see them getting more than a couple wins before they start their conference play.

Almost everyone that's good has some games where they are markedly better than the other team. I think Wesleyan's good, unfortunately the USA South is basically a crapshoot. Only 12 conference games, and then the tournament has all the teams, so there's only a marginal advantage to doing well. But I think NCWC and Christopher Newport are a cut above in the league.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2008, 08:24:32 AM
usasac vs. odac - 24-12-1...still a good number of games between the conferences, including 4 this week (2 today, 2 friday)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 06, 2008, 08:50:30 AM
I got 3 today and the LC-NCWC DH on Friday:

LC @ GC
Ferrum @ VWC
BC @ SU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 06, 2008, 08:52:03 AM
Great post Spence.

BTW..Old Westbury is a much better team than their record indicates.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 06, 2008, 08:58:02 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 05, 2008, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 05, 2008, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 05, 2008, 04:14:25 PM
Just wanted to let you know people know that there are several former ODAC and USA South players playing independent baseball, all with different teams.  Please let me know if I have missed any


Jono Brooks (Bridgewater), Rockford Riverhawks
Joe Orgovan (Va. Wesleyan), Pensacola Pelicans
David Whigham (Va. Wesleyan), El Paso Diablos
Brett Thomas (Ferrum), Orange County Flyers
Pat Burgess, (Greensboro), AZL WinterLeague

Blake Rice from NCWC played in the South Coast League.  Not sure which team last year.


Blake played for the Macon Music....I think he reports here pretty soon.  Is Jason Sigley still playing?
Sigley "retired" from Independent ball about 2 years ago after about 6 years in Independent ball. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 06, 2008, 09:00:40 AM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on March 06, 2008, 08:52:03 AM
Great post Spence.

BTW..Old Westbury is a much better team than their record indicates.

I have them as my "below .500" team from New York in the pick em. Was thinking getting rid of a team or two in their conference might give them a good shot at it, and since Bridgewater had to go and make the postseason with a losing record, I couldn't pick them.

I might have been better off taking a team that might win say 28 games and not make the postseason instead of OW though. In retrospect, Piedmont looks like an obvious choice, but I don't recall anyone picking them. But I wouldn't know who I would have picked as the other two in the South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 12:25:25 PM
In the major leagues does it matter who you beat?  Its all about how many wins you have to win your conference.  Eventhough, Wesleyan hasn't played regional champions or world series teams from last year they have still won 13 games.  In years past with a similar schedule their record might have been 9-8.  The team has improved upon last year so far.  The polls are set in place to create hype.  When you have three guys in double digits in stolen bases I think that deserves some recognition.  The pitching staff has a sub 3 era.  The only knock on the Bishops right now are the errors and what looks like a non-ability to play on the road.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 06, 2008, 12:39:24 PM
big game today for VWC against Ferrum today, especially after the thumping they took down in fayettevile yesterday.

not sure who they are going to throw, but it seems to me as if one of the sophomores, pisula or samuels, will toe the rubber to start.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
How's Garner looking this year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 06, 2008, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on March 05, 2008, 05:44:10 PM
Averett fell to Lynchburg by a score of 7-6 in a hard-fought game.

http://www.lynchburg.edu/x12208.xml


My boy took the loss! He's not performing up to standards, Im going to have to get on him the next time I see him.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2008, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 12:25:25 PM
In the major leagues does it matter who you beat? 
i'm not going to argue that ncwc doesn't belong in the top 25, because i think they do, but this argument has MAJOR flaws - when you're comparing the teams within divisions in the major leagues, they have played the same number of games vs. each team on their schedule - there is basis for DIRECT comparison - when you're talking about comparing d3 teams across the country, most of whom have not played common opponents, let alone each other, it seems reasonable to think that strength of schedule (or "who you beat") would come into play as a means of comparison
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: narch on March 06, 2008, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 12:25:25 PM
In the major leagues does it matter who you beat? 
i'm not going to argue that ncwc doesn't belong in the top 25, because i think they do, but this argument has MAJOR flaws - when you're comparing the teams within divisions in the major leagues, they have played the same number of games vs. each team on their schedule - there is basis for DIRECT comparison - when you're talking about comparing d3 teams across the country, most of whom have not played common opponents, let alone each other, it seems reasonable to think that strength of schedule (or "who you beat") would come into play as a means of comparison

Somebody come up with a South Regional poll.  The teams in the South Region have played common opponents to a certain extent.

Everything has a flaw if you look at it long enough.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 06, 2008, 06:01:51 PM
VWC defeats Ferrum 8-5. Sophmore Daniel Samuels looked impressive in 5 2/3 IP to claim his first college victory.

Ferrum put together a 4 run ninth off of a couple botched balls in the outfield, but was laid to rest after VWC RHP Chris Deans came on and ended the game with a strikeout.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 06, 2008, 08:03:56 PM
GC used about 8 pitchers to hold LC to 5 hits in a 3-1 win Thursday.

The DH with NCWC and LC scheduled for Friday has been canceled due to expected inclement weather in the Lynchburg area.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2008, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on March 06, 2008, 08:03:56 PMThe DH with NCWC and LC scheduled for Friday has been canceled due to expected inclement weather in the Lynchburg area.
isn't that convenient...and right at the end of "hell week" :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 06, 2008, 09:15:32 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 06, 2008, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: narch on March 06, 2008, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on March 06, 2008, 08:03:56 PMThe DH with NCWC and LC scheduled for Friday has been canceled due to expected inclement weather in the Lynchburg area.
isn't that convenient...and right at the end of "hell week" :)

Kinda like in my JUCO days when Hatford County JC canceled against us due to much "rain"  after they had played a 15 ininng ballgame and then a DH the two days before. But one of the parents made the trip not hearing it was canceled and the field was fine and they were on the field in shorts taking BP.   If I remember correctly the MD Juco made them forfeit the game. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 07, 2008, 12:26:49 AM
Well, that leaves the Bishops with Greensboro this weekend.  I think there will be alot of runs put on the board.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 07, 2008, 09:19:56 AM
The rain is moving in sooner than expected...good call by the LC and NCWC coaches.  It'll probably be putting it down in buckets by noon.

The games have been rescheduled for April 11:
http://www.lynchburg.edu/x12218.xml
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 07, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 06, 2008, 06:01:51 PM
VWC defeats Ferrum 8-5. Sophmore Daniel Samuels looked impressive in 5 2/3 IP to claim his first college victory.

Ferrum put together a 4 run ninth off of a couple botched balls in the outfield, but was laid to rest after VWC RHP Chris Deans came on and ended the game with a strikeout.

Is that the same Daniel Samuels that went to Menchville High? If so, congrats to him....nice kid!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 07, 2008, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: narch on March 06, 2008, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 06, 2008, 12:25:25 PM
In the major leagues does it matter who you beat? 
i'm not going to argue that ncwc doesn't belong in the top 25, because i think they do, but this argument has MAJOR flaws - when you're comparing the teams within divisions in the major leagues, they have played the same number of games vs. each team on their schedule - there is basis for DIRECT comparison - when you're talking about comparing d3 teams across the country, most of whom have not played common opponents, let alone each other, it seems reasonable to think that strength of schedule (or "who you beat") would come into play as a means of comparison

Somebody come up with a South Regional poll.  The teams in the South Region have played common opponents to a certain extent.

Everything has a flaw if you look at it long enough.

Not a bad idea. I could come up with something, but I haven't personally seen any teams in the region except Piedmont and Sewanee.

Based on just results, I'd go Piedmont 1, NCWC 2, Va Wesleyan 3, Rhodes 4, CNU 5, Emory 6, Millsaps 7, Salisbury 8.

Keep in mind that I frequently disagree with rankings and the majority of fans. :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 07, 2008, 11:24:18 PM
I was sitting here thinking about the last time kyle robertson pitched against Greensboro.  He had the decision over Kit Mock in 06.  Batts, Pearson, and Rice faced GBoro last year.  It looks like Gboro has developed a rounder bullpen with the loss of Chatham Bray.  The last time NCWC played @ Gboro it was a slugfest.  Hopefully the bats get started early and often. 

It looks like the Methodist-Ferrum series will be very good.  Ferrums first true test of the year.

Its a shame that Emory couldn't stick around after they play Methodist at the end of the month.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 08, 2008, 01:27:12 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 07, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 06, 2008, 06:01:51 PM
VWC defeats Ferrum 8-5. Sophmore Daniel Samuels looked impressive in 5 2/3 IP to claim his first college victory.

Ferrum put together a 4 run ninth off of a couple botched balls in the outfield, but was laid to rest after VWC RHP Chris Deans came on and ended the game with a strikeout.

Is that the same Daniel Samuels that went to Menchville High? If so, congrats to him....nice kid!

That it is CNU85, that it is.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on March 08, 2008, 10:20:44 AM
Gboro vs NCWC will play Sunday at 2:00 and Monday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 01:10:58 PM
Quote from: Wood on March 08, 2008, 10:20:44 AM
Gboro vs NCWC will play Sunday at 2:00 and Monday

Do you know if NCWC is already in GBORO or was it cancelled before they left?

CNU and Averett have been pushed back to 2 today.  On the website it says if they don't play one today they will play a dh tomorrow.

Narch...I was looking at your teams website and noticed that there is only one guy smiling in the team picture.  Top row front and center.
http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/index.htm

I was curious and started checking stats in comparison to last years bishop team.  They have 13 hr's this year and 57 stolen bases and its not yet the half way mark.  Last year they had 15 hr's and 56 stolen bases through the end of the year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2008, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 01:10:58 PMNarch...I was looking at your teams website and noticed that there is only one guy smiling in the team picture.  Top row front and center.
http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/index.htm
chase has got good reason to smile...he's playing ball this year after making one appearance last year (an opening game cg victory) and undergoing tommy john surgery :)

i was gonna take the boy to the mu/fc game today, but it's a little too windy, cold and wet for a 2 year old who won't keep a jacket on...so we went out in the back yard and played some baseball instead - he's got a sweet little left handed stroke already - he only hit about 3 of 50 balls i threw him, but he loves it
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 08, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
Wesleyan is still in Rocky Mount. They will leave early Sunday morning to head to Greensboro and stay over until Monday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: narch on March 08, 2008, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 01:10:58 PMNarch...I was looking at your teams website and noticed that there is only one guy smiling in the team picture.  Top row front and center.
http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/index.htm
chase has got good reason to smile...he's playing ball this year after making one appearance last year (an opening game cg victory) and undergoing tommy john surgery :)

i was gonna take the boy to the mu/fc game today, but it's a little too windy, cold and wet for a 2 year old who won't keep a jacket on...so we went out in the back yard and played some baseball instead - he's got a sweet little left handed stroke already - he only hit about 3 of 50 balls i threw him, but he loves it

I know we have a bad team picture, nobody has the same thing.  Long sleeve loose, short sleeve, no sleeves, under armor, turtlenecks.  But those things you guys have in that picture look like what a percussion line in the military would wear. :)

Narch...you dont want the boy learning any bad habits either.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2008, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 02:30:58 PMNarch...you dont want the boy learning any bad habits either.
he's 2...playing baseball in any shape or form is a good habit in my book...i'm not worried about bad habits quite yet and i don't have expectations for him beyond having a good time playing baseball...let's just say he didn't inherit the kind of genes that would give anyone reason to hope :)

monarchs get a nice 3-1 win over ferrum today - they got 10 hits, but fc pitched out of a lot of jams - geisinger came up HUGE going the distance, striking out 8 and giving up just 6 hits - that's the kind of pitching performance i expected to see out of this team this year - let's hope we can get a replica performance by whoever goes on sunday!

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0308.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
CNU smashed Averett today 12-0, I guess it was called in the 7th mercy rule.  Moreland had 9 k's through 7.  It looks like Shelton got beat around the yard a little bit.  Hopefully Averett will have better luck with Hildreth taking the hill tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 08, 2008, 10:06:01 PM
Hopefully they won't..... ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 08, 2008, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 08, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
CNU smashed Averett today 12-0, I guess it was called in the 7th mercy rule.  Moreland had 9 k's through 7.  It looks like Shelton got beat around the yard a little bit.  Hopefully Averett will have better luck with Hildreth taking the hill tomorrow.

What the devil has happened to Shelton? Did everyone just figure him or is he hurt or what? I have to admit to being a skeptic last year because of his abnormally low K rate compared to most aces. But I didn't expect anything like this.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 08, 2008, 10:46:16 PM
Shelton did a great job last year of staying away from giving free passes.

At this point, he has walked 13 in 19 IP. (6.16 walks/9 innings)

Last year, he walked 36 in 90 all together. (3.6 walks/9 innings)

Something better change because as he went, so did Averett.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 08, 2008, 11:30:48 PM
Moreland's win today gives him 26 for his career, breaking the all-time record set by Mike Cosby a few years back. Despins hit a monter bomb to straight away center and finished 4-for-4 with 4 RBI and 4 runs scored.

Kenny's off to a great start, 4-0 with a 1.25 ERA, 47 ks in 36 ip to go along with 8 walks and opponents are only hitting .160 off of him. I hope he keeps it up and concludes his CNU career the way it began.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 09, 2008, 08:46:01 AM
Shelton's control was off in the early innings yesterday; he got better but early walks killed him. His velocity appeared to be mid-80's or so.  I can't recall how hard he threw last year. While the rumor mill had his arm injured, I can't imagine his coach would've left him in that long if arm health was an issue. He threw a lot of pitches and the game was over pretty early. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 09, 2008, 08:46:01 AM
Shelton's control was off in the early innings yesterday; he got better but early walks killed him. His velocity appeared to be mid-80's or so.  I can't recall how hard he threw last year. While the rumor mill had his arm injured, I can't imagine his coach would've left him in that long if arm health was an issue. He threw a lot of pitches and the game was over pretty early. 

Could it be the dreaded sophomore slump?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 08, 2008, 11:30:48 PM
Moreland's win today gives him 26 for his career, breaking the all-time record set by Mike Cosby a few years back. Despins hit a monter bomb to straight away center and finished 4-for-4 with 4 RBI and 4 runs scored.

Kenny's off to a great start, 4-0 with a 1.25 ERA, 47 ks in 36 ip to go along with 8 walks and opponents are only hitting .160 off of him. I hope he keeps it up and concludes his CNU career the way it began.


I didn't know that Mr. Cosby held the record.  My first game against CNU we went heads up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 04:40:50 PM
Greensboro is leading Wesleyan in the bottom of 8 by the score of 6-2.  Wesleyan has 4 errors.  One last at bat.  We will see what they can muster up.  Maybe Jeff Taylor can come and hit for us.  Cnu goes to 3-1 with a 2 game sweep over Averett.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2008, 08:10:24 PM
the monarchs get another outstanding pitching performance and sweep the panthers 6-2 - toth goes 7 giving up no er's and kisiah and sholar finish things off - the monarch bats pound out 12 hits, but most of the runs are scored on typical mu small ball - game story & box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/ferrum0309.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 11:05:12 PM
Methodist and CNU are 3-1 in conference, Ferrum 2-2, Gboro 1-0, NCWC 1-2, Shen 1-1?, Averett 0-4.  Now that we have had a little usas action who do we think will win the reg. season title?  Im still calling a three way tie.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 10, 2008, 06:13:07 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 04:40:50 PM
Greensboro is leading Wesleyan in the bottom of 8 by the score of 6-2.  Wesleyan has 4 errors.  One last at bat.  We will see what they can muster up.  Maybe Jeff Taylor can come and hit for us.  Cnu goes to 3-1 with a 2 game sweep over Averett.

;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 10, 2008, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Hornets7 on March 10, 2008, 06:13:07 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 04:40:50 PM
Greensboro is leading Wesleyan in the bottom of 8 by the score of 6-2.  Wesleyan has 4 errors.  One last at bat.  We will see what they can muster up.  Maybe Jeff Taylor can come and hit for us.  Cnu goes to 3-1 with a 2 game sweep over Averett.

;D



We almost had a comeback...  If you get a chance to look at the box, Welseyan scored 3 runs with two outs.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 10, 2008, 03:00:39 PM
That's great.   ;)

We ALMOST had another one against Greensboro in our loss to them on Thursday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 10, 2008, 06:03:19 PM
NCWC 10- Greensboro 7...Wesleyan takes game two and splits with Greensboro.  Ben Moore looks like he pitched a decent game according to the box.  Wesleyan was down early but Battled back and took a good lead.  Greensboro scrapped for a few runs in the later innings as well.  Freshman UTIL A. Webb came in and retired four batters in a row for his second save of the season.  Wesleyan improves to 14-4-1 (2-2) USAS

Notables:

Matt Smith hit in the leadoff spot today with Pecora hitting in the three hole.  I think this is a pretty nice move for Wesleyan.

Chris Pecora 3-4, 2 2b, 2rbi, 2 r, 1 sb
Matt Smith 2-5, 2 sb, 2 r
Justin Batts 2-4, 3 rbi
Joel Creef 2-5, 4 rbi
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GreenJeans on March 11, 2008, 09:09:21 PM
I saw in a past post that Brett Thomas was playing for the Orange County Flyers last summer, does anyone if he still is, didnt see his name on the 2008 roster.

Also, does anyone know if any of these guys are palying anywhere:

Jess Maloney-Gboro
Pat Burgess- Gboro
Ryan Anderson- SU
David Jenkins-SU
Mark Wooten-NCWC
Ben Pearson- NCWC
Matt Hunt-Methodist
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 11, 2008, 10:30:13 PM
Quote from: GreenJeans on March 11, 2008, 09:09:21 PM
I saw in a past post that Brett Thomas was playing for the Orange County Flyers last summer, does anyone if he still is, didnt see his name on the 2008 roster.

Also, does anyone know if any of these guys are palying anywhere:

Jess Maloney-Gboro
Pat Burgess- Gboro
Ryan Anderson- SU
David Jenkins-SU
Mark Wooten-NCWC
Ben Pearson- NCWC
Matt Hunt-Methodist


I think Wooten was going to attend some tryouts but I am not sure what has come of it.  Not to sure about Ben Pearson either.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 11, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
VWC gets another impressive pitching performance out of Daniel Samuels, as the Marlins improve to 8-2-1 with a 15-4 pounding on Ferrum.  Brandon Hathaway connected for a 3-run homer, the first of his collegiate career.
The Marlins are on a roll, hopefully the momentum will stay up for this weekends DH against Eastern Mennonite.

I dont know what has gone sour for the Panthers, but they have lost five in a row. Their only victories are sweeps over Huntingdon (3-10) and Averett (8-12).

Ferrum has fully justified that they are the worst team in the USA South with a pitching staff ERA of over 5.50 and only player (Franklin) with double digit RBI's (11).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 11, 2008, 11:53:10 PM
Last I checked Virginia Wesleyan has four losses. They lost to Averett, HSC, W & L, and Methodist.

Ferrum can't be the worst team if they swept Averett.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 12, 2008, 08:06:01 AM
the monarchs get a 6-5 victory over b'water to push their record to 14-6 - bisp struggled again, but kisiah came in and cleaned up, going 6.1 and striking out 4 for the win - he's really having a great year at 3-1 with a 2.13 era - this out of a player who had a career 1-2 record with a 5+ era coming into his senior year - he's really settled into the casey varnell/fred geisinger role of a guy who goes long and spot starts during the week and goes short on the weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 13, 2008, 08:06:19 AM
mu is on a nice little 5 game roll, winning 8-4 yesterday - jordan went 7 and gave up just 2 er - i hope the pitching stays solid and maybe kivett can get on another tear this weekend...sure would be nice :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 13, 2008, 11:32:36 PM
Should be a good matchup this weekend at Bauer Field the Red Sox Yankee rivalry of the USAS.  I have a feeling that Tom Austin will look at the Fielding Percentage of NCWC adn attack them by use of the dreaded small ball.  And maybe just maybe he will stop stealing signals like Bellecheck!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 13, 2008, 11:51:18 PM
I didn't realize that Tom Austin videotapes NCWC practices :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 14, 2008, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on March 13, 2008, 11:51:18 PM
I didn't realize that Tom Austin videotapes NCWC practices :)

He doesn't have to anymore.  He watched the first couple of tapes enough to figure out what a good team looks like and now he models his team after us.  Seriously, Im not sure about the video tapes but he has sent or people affiliated with the MU baseball program have shown up to games a couple days before the big meeting.  When reached for comment, Stone Cold Tom Austin, denied any allegations or association with these scouting methods. ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 14, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 14, 2008, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on March 13, 2008, 11:51:18 PM
I didn't realize that Tom Austin videotapes NCWC practices :)

He doesn't have to anymore.  He watched the first couple of tapes enough to figure out what a good team looks like and now he models his team after us.  Seriously, Im not sure about the video tapes but he has sent or people affiliated with the MU baseball program have shown up to games a couple days before the big meeting.  When reached for comment, Stone Cold Tom Austin, denied any allegations or association with these scouting methods. ;)

I heard Narch was the person Austin was sending down to steal our signs and scout us.  Just what I heard but I can not reveal my source at this point.  I this point it is a still just a rumor.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 14, 2008, 06:03:18 PM
If Narch can pick up the signs, those signs obviously are pretty bad :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 14, 2008, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 14, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
I heard Narch was the person Austin was sending down to steal our signs and scout us.

Quote from: Falcon2720 on March 14, 2008, 06:03:18 PM
If Narch can pick up the signs, those signs obviously are pretty bad :)

you're on to me, boys :)

ironically enough, stealing signs was probably my greatest asset as baseball player - .200 hitting catchers with no power and even less speed have to have to develop other skills to stay on the field :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 14, 2008, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on March 14, 2008, 06:03:18 PM
If Narch can pick up the signs, those signs obviously are pretty bad :)

Falcon you shouldn't discount Narch like that.

My best skill was getting under the skin of the other pitchers.  Bird, animal, and other various loud noises.  It may have been busch but nobody complains when they are drunk :P
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 14, 2008, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 14, 2008, 10:41:13 PMIt may have been busch but nobody complains when they are drunk :P
:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 15, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
freddy g comes through for the monarchs with a cg w over the bishops, kivett hits another bomb and betterly has a 3 rbi day - mu also gets 5 steals on the day - the monarchs are now 16-6/4-1 - they should have toth and kisiah, at the very least, available sunday with the full bullpen ready to rock if needed - nice win, boys

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0315.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 15, 2008, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: narch on March 15, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
freddy g comes through for the monarchs with a cg w over the bishops, kivett hits another bomb and betterly has a 3 rbi day - mu also gets 5 steals on the day - the monarchs are now 16-6/4-1 - they should have toth and kisiah, at the very least, available sunday with the full bullpen ready to rock if needed - nice win, boys

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0315.htm)

Good job by Methodist today coming into to Bauer and silencing the Bishops.  One question that came to mind was where is Kyle Robertson, I understand he has had a couple rough starts, but he is a senior.  I understand that Diener is a good pitcher but throwing him into the fire is kinda bad.  From day one you show up to Wesleyan you here about Methodist, I guess he wasn't quite ready for the challenge this year.  Hopefully, the MANIMAL Ben Moore comes through tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 15, 2008, 09:59:06 PM
Captains sweep Shenandoah today as the two teams decided to play twice because of rain expected in the area tonight and tomorrow. CNU won 7-1 behind another dominant performance from Kenny Moreland. He pitched a CG, allowed one run on four hits, walked none and struck out eight. He had a no-no thru 5 1/3 ip. Despins hit his fifth HR in game one.

In game two, CNU blew a 6-2 lead giving up a three-run homer and then a solo shot to the very next batter but Alex Owen hit a two-run shot in the top of the ninth to win it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 16, 2008, 05:01:32 PM
Wesleyan locked up their third split of the season.  13-4 over Methodist in game two.  Ben Moore stepped up along with Justin Batts.  Ferrum is next on the list.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 16, 2008, 07:14:37 PM
NCWC needs to stop these spilts if they want to make it regionals. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 16, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Its starting to ruin my weekends.  The way the schedule was set up it looks like they played the hardest teams this year already.  Ferrum, Shenadoah, and Averett left.  I dont think CNU will keep up that 5-1 pace.  From talking to some of the guys I think they think they are going to try and run the gauntlet in the tourney. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 16, 2008, 08:44:37 PM
If the Captains go 4-2 over their final 6 conference games, I think they will be pretty satisfied with that, sitting at 9-3 is a good spot to be one. But one thing is certain, whoever is on fire at the right time in Burlington will be the team to beat. Doesnt matter if you are the 1 or 7 seed.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2008, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 16, 2008, 07:40:37 PMFrom talking to some of the guys I think they think they are going to try and run the gauntlet in the tourney. 
well, then we should just crown ncwc tourney champs now, 'cause i don't think any other teams in the usasac will really try to run the gauntlet in the tourney :)

looks like ncwc brought their batts today...ok, bad pun, but they sure did pound the monarch pitching - seems like moore always pitches well against mu
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 16, 2008, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: narch on March 16, 2008, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 16, 2008, 07:40:37 PMFrom talking to some of the guys I think they think they are going to try and run the gauntlet in the tourney. 
well, then we should just crown ncwc tourney champs now, 'cause i don't think any other teams in the usasac will really try to run the gauntlet in the tourney :)

looks like ncwc brought their batts today...ok, bad pun, but they sure did pound the monarch pitching - seems like moore always pitches well against mu

I think Ben and Matt Smith are friends with a lot of the guys on the MU team...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 17, 2008, 10:03:08 AM
The Bishops came out Sunday and knew they were on the ropes and about to be knocked out but really stepped up. Ben Moore was sharp the whole game really hitting his spots and the bats drove the ball hard all over the yard with the MU defense making some excellent plays to rob some hits.
Geisinger pitched well for Methodist Saturday keeping the Bishop hitters off stride for the biggest part and was successful in limiting NCWC runs with the help of outstanding play of MU's center fielder. Wesleyan hitters laced some shots to the big part of field 4 or 5 times in key situation and the CF  tracked them down and made great plays. IF several of those balls had been hit in the alleys they would have been HR's but they weren't, that's baseball, and I credit MU for making plays.
Great weekend to watch two very good teams square off against each other. Wesleyan still has their heads above water, barely, with a lot of work to do, but I believe they can and need to win out in the conference and hope for help from some others.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 17, 2008, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on March 17, 2008, 10:03:08 AM
The Bishops came out Sunday and knew they were on the ropes and about to be knocked out but really stepped up. Ben Moore was sharp the whole game really hitting his spots and the bats drove the ball hard all over the yard with the MU defense making some excellent plays to rob some hits.
Geisinger pitched well for Methodist Saturday keeping the Bishop hitters off stride for the biggest part and was successful in limiting NCWC runs with the help of outstanding play of MU's center fielder. Wesleyan hitters laced some shots to the big part of field 4 or 5 times in key situation and the CF  tracked them down and made great plays. IF several of those balls had been hit in the alleys they would have been HR's but they weren't, that's baseball, and I credit MU for making plays.
Great weekend to watch two very good teams square off against each other. Wesleyan still has their heads above water, barely, with a lot of work to do, but I believe they can and need to win out in the conference and hope for help from some others.


Any word about Kyle?  Did he get hurt or just not producing?  I'd sure like to see those younger guys step up and fill the void.  They make up a majority of that pitching staff.  They will be very key come tourney time.  In my opinion, based on #'s, I wouldn't take Jason Gay out of the lineup.  Peco had a nice week at the plate.  Seems like beauloseil has hit a skid.  I think it will be extremely hard for NCWC to win out in the rest of their regular season conference games. 



Does anyone know if NCWC and VWC are going to play the tie out or just play the one game today?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 18, 2008, 10:06:01 AM
Robertson's arm was shut down for a few days but I believe it will be short term as he was throwing on the side in the bullpen Sunday. Some of the young arms are ready to step up and contribute if they are given the opportunity. I'm looking for them to start receiving more innings over the coming weeks to prepare them further for the tournament. Look for Moore to move into the number 1 spot, he's really got his stuff extremely sharp and working well right now. Gay had been struggling somewhat in the JV and some Varsity games after a hot start, but broke out big time this weekend and I expect him to be in the line up either at 1st or DH from here on out and look for Zach Alexander to be holding down 3rd.
It will be very hard for the Bishops to win out in the conference, but that's their goal, hoping some others beat up on each other. Tournament seeding, as always, will be critical this year and being hot at the right time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2008, 01:23:36 PM
this will be the first time i've said this on this board, but part of me misses the short-lived 3 game weekend format - i don't support going back to this system because it puts the usasac at a disadvantage when records are compared to odac, cac and gsac schools for regional rankings, etc. (as established in the early pages of posts on this board), but it sure did feel like you won something at the end of a 2-1 or 3-0 weekend and the end of an 18 game conference season (vs. a 12 game conference season) - maybe if the usasac/gsac merger that has been rumored happens, it will feel a little more satisfying since it could potentially add 8 conference games if lc, hc, pc and m'ville come as a unit

monarchs get tufts on wednesday...the jumbos always have a very solid group - i imagine jordan will get the start, as he seems to have settled into the mid-week starter role, and i think the coaching staff might want to save bisp for the weekend, if needed...but i could be wrong
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GreenJeans on March 18, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
I agree with Narch about it actually felt like you won something when you play the 3 game series, and the 18 game conference schedule.  But I am not complaining about the shortened 2 game series and 12 game conference.  It is just that 3rd game that either decided the tiebreaker or give a team that 3 game sweep, that is a good feeling.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 18, 2008, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: narch on March 18, 2008, 01:23:36 PM
this will be the first time i've said this on this board, but part of me misses the short-lived 3 game weekend format - i don't support going back to this system because it puts the usasac at a disadvantage when records are compared to odac, cac and gsac schools for regional rankings, etc. (as established in the early pages of posts on this board), but it sure did feel like you won something at the end of a 2-1 or 3-0 weekend and the end of an 18 game conference season (vs. a 12 game conference season) - maybe if the usasac/gsac merger that has been rumored happens, it will feel a little more satisfying since it could potentially add 8 conference games if lc, hc, pc and m'ville come as a unit

monarchs get tufts on wednesday...the jumbos always have a very solid group - i imagine jordan will get the start, as he seems to have settled into the mid-week starter role, and i think the coaching staff might want to save bisp for the weekend, if needed...but i could be wrong


Narch... I definitely agree with the three game series.  It really shows who is the best team in the conference.  It also shows the depth of the pitching staff and bench.  I don't like the doubleheader idea.  I agree with friday, saturday, and sunday.

NCWC earns a nice regional win over VWC today 4-3.  I went to watch a high school game, came back and sat down to look at the computer and almost fell out of the chair.  Hopefully, NCWC will get back in their winning ways.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: anotherharvest on March 19, 2008, 05:45:34 PM
The 4-3 ninth inning loss to NCWC was the final nail in the coffin to a miserable road trip.  10 errors in two losses to Piedmont when they were leading the ODAC for least muffs.  Lost three close games with all those bungles.  Longing to get back to winning ways. 

Even so, the NCWC game was just as intense as the 4-4 tie we played you guys at our place.  The reason why we love this game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2008, 08:55:04 PM
the monarchs pound out 20 hits today to beat tufts 14-3 - jordan and bisp each went 3 while kisiah, andrade and sholar each went 1 - kivett, russell and eudy all went yard for mu - the tufts starter gave up 15 hits and 10 er in 3.2 ip...ouch - the monarchs are now 17-7

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0319.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 20, 2008, 08:13:32 PM
Any word on the NCWC Tufts game today?


NCWC lost 9-7, Pecora had two jacks today, one from each side.  The bishops had 4 errors on the day and what looks like a tough umpire or bad location for the pitchers (10bb).  Looking forward to the Ferrum series starting tomorrow. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GreenJeans on March 20, 2008, 10:34:33 PM
I know that Wesleyan lost but I have not heard the score.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 21, 2008, 09:06:06 PM
Friday, March 21, 2008
Williams powers Bishops to 14-7 league win over Ferrum

Rocky Mount, NC - Senior Ted Williams blasted his first two homeruns of the season on Friday afternoon, leading his North Carolina Wesleyan baseball squad to a 14-7 USA South win over Ferrum College at Bauer Field. Williams (pictured) drove in six runs on the day for the 24th-ranked Bishops, who improve to 17-7-1 with the win, 4-3 in conference play. Ferrum now stands at 5-10 on the season, 2-5 in league play.

Wesleyan plated at least one run in each of the first five innings, beginning with a four-spot in the first. Justin Batts drove in the game's first run with a sac-fly RBI, while Justin Rahm followed with an RBI-double. Williams then connected on his first homer of the day, a two-run shot to left-center.

After the Panthers broke through with a run in the second, the Bishops tacked on two more in their half of the frame as Daniel Moore and Travis Beausoleil each recorded an RBI.

Down 6-1, Ferrum managed three runs in third to cut the lead to 6-4. Wesleyan answered with its seventh run of the game in the bottom of the inning, but FC scored two more in the fourth to get as close as 7-6. Five different Panthers drove in runs during that span.

Williams, however, extended the Bishops' lead with a three-run bomb in the fourth. NCWC went on to score four more in the fifth to go up 14-6 and cruise to the 14-7 final.

Jonathan Shearon (3-0) earned the win in relief for the Bishops, going 5 1/3 innings and allowing just one run on four hits. Lincoln Garner took the loss for Ferrum.

Offensively, the Bishops' recorded 19 hits on the day to Ferrum's 14. Williams finished 4-for-5 and Moore 4-for-4. Rahm and Chris Pecora also had three hits apiece.

Kevin Marshall paced the Panthers with a 3-for-4 performance.

Wesleyan wraps up its league series with the Panthers on Saturday. Game time is slated for 1:00 p.m. at Bauer Field.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 21, 2008, 09:09:02 PM
March 21, 2008
Methodist Falls to Greensboro 4-2
Sophomore Seth Kivett hit a home run and a RBI single for the Monarchs

GREENSBORO, NC - Greensboro took an early lead and the Monarchs could not recover as the Pride took the 4-2 win Friday afternoon. Methodist moves to 17-8 overall and 4-3 in the USA South while Greensboro moves to 18-9 overall and 4-1 in the conference.

Greensboro took the early 1-0 lead in the bottom of the second after a lead-off double to right center from Dan Poindexter. He moved to third on a groundout and scored on the single from Tyler O'Neill. Anthony Corona hit a home run in the third and Jacob Tomb hit a RBI single to score Jeff Gregory for the 3-0 lead after four innings.

The Monarchs' Seth Kivett led off with a home run to left field in the top of the sixth, but the Pride's O'Neill countered with a home run in the bottom of the inning. Trailing 4-1 in the seventh, Methodist sophomore Brian Halpin singled to left center and moved to second on senior Scott Russell's infield single. Kivett followed up with a single to center to score Halpin and move Russell to third. With two outs, junior Brad Davis loaded the bases with a walk, but the Pride closed off the Methodist rally with a strikeout.

After coming up scoreless in the eighth, Russell drew a walk and junior Kenly Locklear had a two-out single but both runners were stranded as Greensboro took the 4-2 win. Kivett, Locklear and junior Dustin Proctor each had two hits for the Monarchs while sophomore Fred Geisinger took the loss on the mound in six innings pitched. Senior Robert Kisiah pitched the final two innings of relief without giving up a hit.

The Monarchs will face Greensboro again tomorrow night at 7 pm.

Box Score
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 22, 2008, 10:44:50 PM
the monarchs salvage a split today, winning 7-4 - toth pitched effectively, going 7 and allowing 6 hits and 3 er - kisiah pitched the final 2 innings for the save and gave up no hits
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 24, 2008, 10:00:14 AM
CNU stays idle at 5-1
Greensboro splits 4-2
Wesleyan sweeps 5-3
Methodist splits 5-3

CNU has Greensboro this weekend, Methodist the following weekend, and Ferrum the final weekend.

I do think Ferrum will improve in the next three weeks.  I also believe that CNU will drop at least two games out of the next 6 conf. games.  I dont think they will lose with Moreland on the mound.  I wonder what their rotation will be come tournament time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 24, 2008, 10:30:04 AM
Prediction

CNU splits with Greensboro & Methodist, sweeps Ferrum to finish 9-3

Wesleyan sweeps AU & SU to finish 9-3

CNU and Wesleyan tie for first.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 24, 2008, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on March 24, 2008, 10:30:04 AM
Prediction

CNU splits with Greensboro & Methodist, sweeps Ferrum to finish 9-3

Wesleyan sweeps AU & SU to finish 9-3

CNU and Wesleyan tie for first.



I'm not really sure about that Shenadoah team, they have some tough pitching that seems to give NCWC some problems

I think for CNU to drop 2, that depends alot on Methodists and G-boros #2 pitchers.  We know Moreland is automatic right now.

For Wesleyan to win out they will have to play solid d and have someone stepup for Robertson who seems to be struggling.  I like the way John Shearon has been pitching for Wesleyan.  I do think he is more valuable as a reliever right now.  Who is it going to be, Diener or Roenker?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 24, 2008, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 24, 2008, 11:10:52 AMI think for CNU to drop 2, that depends alot on Methodists and G-boros #2 pitchers.  We know Moreland is automatic right now.

like everyone else, i'm thinking moreland is as close to automatic as they come, right now...but...

cnu is 16-54 (a .771 winning % for mu) all time against methodist and hasn't beat the monarch since 2005 - the monarchs have won 7 of the last 8 meetings between these two teams - 2 days of quality pitching from geisinger, toth and the bullpen and i think even moreland can be beaten (although i won't predict that to happen and i wouldn't put any money on it happening) - i will be interested to see what gc and mu do against cnu - i wouldn't be surprised to see gc push mock to sunday and pitch their #2 against moreland - while mock doesn't strike fear into anyone the way moreland does, the kid is a quality pitcher and TOUGH to beat - i think gc's best chance to split would be to flip their rotation - i don't think that is the case for mu right now - i think geisinger and toth are 1 and 1A for the monarchs, and i think either has an equal opportunity to pitch well against the captains

before that, though, the monarchs have a game tonight vs. d2 st. andrews, a big regional series vs. #13 emory this weekend and then a game against hsc the thursday before the cnu series...lots of ball to be played before that cnu/mu matchup happens
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 24, 2008, 07:02:24 PM
Wesleyan wins today against H-SC, 11-3.  That moves NCWC to 3-3-1 on the road this year. Pecora was named conference hitter of the week and  Daniel Moore was named rookie hitter of the week.


BASEBALL TIGERS FALL TO NORTH CAROLINA WESLEYAN, 11-3

Box Score

HAMPDEN-SYDNEY, VA (March 24, 2008)—Hampden-Sydney registered 11 hits in Monday's game against North Carolina Wesleyan, but the Tigers fell to the Bishops, 11-3, at Yank Bernier Field.  North Carolina Wesleyan scored 11 runs on 18 hits on the afternoon en route to victory, while the Tigers only managed three runs despite getting 11 hits.  With the loss, Hampden-Sydney drops to 10-17 on the season, while North Carolina Wesleyan improves to 19-8-1 overall. 

North Carolina Wesleyan took an early lead in the top of the third inning as the Bishops' Chris Pecora doubled to score two runs to help give the Bishops build a 3-0 advantage.  North Carolina Wesleyan would add two runs in the fifth and three runs in the sixth before the Tigers scored a single run as Todd Harrell (Chesapeake, VA/Nansemond-Suffolk) scored on a Zach Harrelson (Danville, VA/George Washington) single in the bottom of the sixth to cut the lead to seven runs, 8-1.  Trailing 9-1 heading into the bottom of the eighth inning, senior David Toney (Mechanicsville, VA/Lee-Davis) hit a two-run homer to cut the score to 9-3, but in the top of the ninth, the Bishops added two more runs to earn the 11-3 win.

Hampden-Sydney starter Adam Hodges (Rocky Mount, NC/Rocky Mount Academy) took the loss for the Tigers as he worked five innings, allowing five runs on nine hits.  Justin Diener earned the victory for North Carolina Wesleyan as the starter worked eight innings, allowing three runs on ten hits, while striking out eight.

Senior Todd Harrell and freshman Zach Harrelson led Hampden-Sydney at the plate as each went 2-for-4 on the afternoon.  Sophomores Nick Price (Sterling, VA/Potomac Falls) and Zack Zackowski (Oak Ridge, NC/Greenbriar Christian) went 1-for-1 on the afternoon, while junior Hall Toledano (Asheboro, NC/Asheboro) went 1-for-2.  Matt Smith led the Bishops at the plate, going 4-for-5 with three runs scored and one RBI.

Hampden-Sydney will return to action on Thursday, March 27, as the Tigers will welcome Christopher Newport University to Yank Bernier Field.  The first pitch for Thursday's game is scheduled for 3:30 pm.

-www.hsc.edu/athletics-
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 24, 2008, 10:33:55 PM
the monarchs improve to 19-8 with an 11-3 thumping of st. andrews - bisp goes 7 strong giving up 6 hits, 2 er and striking out 6 - frosh trip lancaster goes 3-4 with 3 rbi while kivett scores 3 runs and russell and carter each drive in 2 - emory is on the clock...should be a fun weekend!

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0324.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 24, 2008, 11:20:02 PM
Good luck with Emory.  I haven't really followed them this year.  But whenever Methodist plays them it seems to be a gauge on how good that Emory team is.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 25, 2008, 12:49:32 AM
Im going to guess the CNU rotation in the tournament would be something like this: Moreland (obviously), lefty Steven Millerleile (has been pitching very well in conference games, but doesnt have much to show for it), and then Kyle Baumann (he's been throwing VERY well since coming back from Tommy John surgery). After those three, its really anyones guess. You might see Giarrizzi get the start perhaps before Baumann, but he could very well pitch in relief too. Kevin Moreland needs to get back on track to help solidify the bullpen, he's been off for most of the season.

But, as narch said, there is a lot of baseball to be played before the CNU/MU series, and a ton of baseball to be played before the tournament. Next up, Eastern Mennonite Wednesday in Harrisonburg and then off to Hampden-Sydney Thursday before hosting Greensboro this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 25, 2008, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 25, 2008, 12:49:32 AM
Im going to guess the CNU rotation in the tournament would be something like this: Moreland (obviously), lefty Steven Millerleile (has been pitching very well in conference games, but doesnt have much to show for it), and then Kyle Baumann (he's been throwing VERY well since coming back from Tommy John surgery). After those three, its really anyones guess. You might see Giarrizzi get the start perhaps before Baumann, but he could very well pitch in relief too. Kevin Moreland needs to get back on track to help solidify the bullpen, he's been off for most of the season.

But, as narch said, there is a lot of baseball to be played before the CNU/MU series, and a ton of baseball to be played before the tournament. Next up, Eastern Mennonite Wednesday in Harrisonburg and then off to Hampden-Sydney Thursday before hosting Greensboro this weekend.

Methodist and NCWC are almost 3/4 done with their reg. season.  Methodist has 9 games , ncwc has 10, and cnu has 10, G-boro has 11 games in the span of three weeks b4 the tourny.  Saying there is alot of baseball left to be played is like saying you are unsure at this time.  It is a real broad statement.  I was looking for some bold predictions.  I was trying to get some conversation going after the week long layoff it seemed this board had last week.  I have a strong feeling that come april 17th there will be alot of runs put up on the board by all teams involved.

I inquired about the rotations because I have no idea how NCWC will set their guys up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 25, 2008, 12:34:08 PM
I already gave my regular season prediction with CNU and Wesleyan tied for first, Methodist in third and GC in fourth.

The tournament as always will be a dog fight.  Pitching dept will be key as will be a hot offense.

The last three years 2007/2006/2005 the number two seed has won the tournament. 

I think the top four teams (CNU, NCWC, MU, GC) have separated themselves from the bottom 3.

I hope the conference can get two regional bids this year but, with the way Piedmont is playing, it will be really tough.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 25, 2008, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on March 25, 2008, 12:34:08 PMI hope the conference can get two regional bids this year but, with the way Piedmont is playing, it will be really tough.
i can very easily imagine a situation where the top 4 teams have 28 - 32 wins from the usasac with conference tournament games and the regular season games still to be played...it's not beyond possibility to have 3 or 4 30 win teams from this conference - if that happens, i think the committee has to consider each of those 30 win teams for a regional bid

methodist has 5 games left against emory (2), piedmont (2) and lynchburg (1), who will all be strong regional considerations

cnu has mary wash (1) and salisbury (1) left on the schedule as strong regional contenders

ncwc has 2 with lynchburg and one with mary wash left

gc has just one game with lynchburg to make their remaining case

i think strong showings from mu, cnu and ncwc in the remaining conference and regional games can really give them a strong case for a regional bid

mu has a two nice regional ooc wins (lc and vwc), but more importantly, they've still got 5 big ooc regional games to play - the losses to guilford and lagrange won't help, but they've got enough games against top flight regional teams that they can possibly overcome those losses - cnu doesn't really have a signature ooc regional win yet, but they've still got 2 tough regional ooc games - ncwc has 3 quality ooc regional wins (lc, vwc, pc) and the remaining 3 games with lc, and umw - i think gc could be on the outside based on schedule strength, even if they get to 30 wins...they only have one signature ooc win (lc), and they've got a couple of not-so-good losses (2 to bsc, in particular) and lc is the only ooc game they have remaining against another regional contender
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 25, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
That is what I like about the regional format...the OOC mid-week (and Friday games) have A LOT of importance...you know..."every game counts."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 25, 2008, 05:50:43 PM
NCWC has one game left with Bridgewater.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 25, 2008, 07:09:34 PM
The Captains have Bridgewater next Tuesday and Im still waiting to see if they will reschedule their rainouts with Salisbury and VA Wesleyan. CNU usually plays each VWC and Salisbury in a home and home each year. It would be wonderful to see the USA South get two or three in regionals. That hasnt happened in a long time. I just hope the Captains can hang on to swinging a hot bat. No games will be taken lightly, that's for sure.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 26, 2008, 10:05:51 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 25, 2008, 07:09:34 PM
The Captains have Bridgewater next Tuesday and Im still waiting to see if they will reschedule their rainouts with Salisbury and VA Wesleyan. CNU usually plays each VWC and Salisbury in a home and home each year. It would be wonderful to see the USA South get two or three in regionals. That hasnt happened in a long time. I just hope the Captains can hang on to swinging a hot bat. No games will be taken lightly, that's for sure.
In 1998 we had 3 Dixie/Usa South teams in the regionals.  Ncwc, Methodist and Greensboro (they won the conference tourney that year.  4th team was Emory I think.  So why not 3 in 2008.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 26, 2008, 11:16:06 AM
Looking over the NCWC schedule, you can bet that LC will probably see the weekend pitchers on the Friday April 11...a DH which will be important for both teams...but LC has an ODAC DH on Saturday the 12th.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 26, 2008, 12:27:47 PM
CNU ranked 11th in the new ABCA poll.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on March 26, 2008, 02:00:30 PM
Is there a site that explains how teams are chosen for regional playoffs.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 26, 2008, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Wood on March 26, 2008, 02:00:30 PM
Is there a site that explains how teams are chosen for regional playoffs.
Yes, this site. Go to the main site under FAQ and click on the NCAA Tournament link. There is another new wrinkle, but that link is a great foundation.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 26, 2008, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Wood on March 26, 2008, 02:00:30 PM
Is there a site that explains how teams are chosen for regional playoffs.
Wood...here is about the best description I've seen...makes the BCS formula seems like child's play:

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2007/04/26/Playoffs+will+have+five+in+Pool+B,+15+from+C

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2008, 02:32:26 PM
CNU is up on Greensboro right now going into the top of 6.  CNU has a live stats on their site.  I think their stat and play by play is made by sidearm.  Looks pretty cool, maybe Wesleyan will pick something up like that ( doubt it).  We will just add on to the library no one uses.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 29, 2008, 03:40:32 PM
Well, I'm hoping for a split between CNU & G'boro so that sounds good. I wish I could get an update from Danville. I thought they had a web cast but it seems they are not covering baseball this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 29, 2008, 03:47:56 PM
CNU wins it in the bottom of 9th 4-3. Come on GC, bounce back and win tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2008, 03:58:37 PM
Wesleyan won 3-0....pitchers dual into the late innings...Justin Batts had a key 2 RBI single in the top of the 8th.  Robertson went 6 strong k'ing 7.  John Shearon came in relief and went three for the win.

http://www.averett.edu/statistics/baseball/2008/aub0329.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2008, 04:47:55 PM
the eagles nip the monarchs 7-6 today...no box score yet, but i stayed for a couple of innings - it was back & forth through the middle innings with mu up 2-1, eu tying it 2-2, mu going up 3-2, eu taking a 4-3 lead - i left with the monarchs down 4-3

game story  (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/emory0329.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0329.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2008, 10:49:42 PM
Here is the article from the AU website:

Late surge lifts Bishops over Cougars
March 29, 2008

DANVILLE, Va. – North Carolina Wesleyan College's baseball team scored two runs in the eighth and added another in the ninth to claim a 3-0 victory over Averett University at Owen-Fulton Field on Saturday.

The Bishops (20-7-1, 6-3 USA South) posted a pair of runs in the eight on a Justin Batts 2-RBI single. Matt Smith was responsible for bringing in the final run in the ninth after sailing a sacrifice fly to left field, which scored Daniel Moore. Moore made his way to third after a single and a two-base error on a failed pick off.

Averett's (12-17, 0-7 USA South) Ben Hildreth pitched a complete game and fanned six in the outing, while giving up only two earned runs. He gave up only five hits on the afternoon.

The Cougars tallied seven hits in the outing, but lacked the timely hitting they needed to score. Averett left four runners stranded in scoring position and left nine runners on base. Ahmed Shelton had two hits on the afternoon.

The Cougars and Bishops will face off again on Sunday at 1 p.m. for the final game of the series at Owen-Fulton Field.



I am assuming Shelton will face off against Moore tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2008, 10:55:08 PM
The sleeper in the USAS, Shenandoah:

WINCHESTER, Va. – Shenandoah University ran its conference baseball winning streak to three games Saturday afternoon with a 7-6 USA South victory over visiting Ferrum.

Leading 5-2 heading into the ninth inning, Shenandoah (15-11, 4-3 USA South) saw its lead evaporate as Ferrum (7-12, 2-7) scored four runs on four hits and a costly SU error.

However, the Hornets were able to rally against Panthers reliever Brian Mays (0-1) to salvage the victory.

With one out, shortstop Drew Crawford drew a walk to put the tying run on. Second baseman Christian Frey then laced a single just inside the third base line, and after FC left-fielder Michael Nolte mis-played the ball, Crawford came all the way around to score.

Panthers manager Darren Hodges was ejected immediately following the play for arguing the fair ball call, and assistant Anthony Everman replaced Mays with reliever William Campbell before the next SU hitter stepped to the plate.

The pitching change caused Hornets skipper Kevin Anderson to send up left-handed batter Brett Donahue to pinch hit, and Donahue laced a game-winning single up the middle to score Frey from second base.

The rally made a winner of junior Josh Simons (1-0), who pitched the final 2/3 of the top of the ninth for the hosts. Simons came on for junior left-hander Matthew Davis, who had allowed an infield single and a double to start the frame.

Davis, who had allowed three runs on nine hits in 8.1 innings, saw his chance for victory go by the wayside as Ferrum greeted Simons with an RBI double and then scored the tying run on an error.

One batter later, Kevin Marshall gave the Panthers a 6-5 lead with an RBI single, but the lead would prove to be short-lived.

Simons led the offense with three hits in three at-bats while Jesse Henry and Greg Van Sickler each had two hits. Van Sickler also drove in a pair of runs.

Box Score

These two teams complete their weekend series Sunday afternoon with a 1:00 contest.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 30, 2008, 04:32:31 PM
Wesleyan wins a nail-biter 6 - 4 in ten innings!  Worked out of serious jam in the bottom of 9th to break the Cougars' heart.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 30, 2008, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: WHEELIN WES on March 30, 2008, 04:32:31 PM
Wesleyan wins a nail-biter 6 - 4 in ten innings!  Worked out of serious jam in the bottom of 9th to break the Cougars' heart.

Averett falls in extra innings
March 30, 2008

DANVILLE, Va. – Justin Batts and Ted Williams each notched RBIs in the 10th inning to lift North Carolina Wesleyan College to a 6-4 extra innings win over Averett University Sunday at Owen-Fulton Field.

Tied at 4-4 after nine, the Bishops (21-7-1, 7-3 USA South) plated two runs in the tenth to claim a two run advantage. Matt Smith led off with a single to center and was sacrificed to second. Following an intentional walk to Chris Pecora, Batts belted a single to left center that scored Smith. Pecora and Batts joined Justin Rahm in loading the bases after an Averett (12-18, 0-8 USA South) error, and Pecora later scored on a fielder's choice by Williams to give NCWC a 6-4 advantage.

The Cougars placed two runners on base in the bottom of the 10th, Jacob Waller drew a one-out walk and Jake Loye added a two-out single, however the Cougars failed to score in the bottom half of the inning. Averett left 16 runners stranded in the contest.

While AU had an opportunity in the 10th, it was in the ninth inning that will haunt Averett. Tied at 4-4 in the bottom the frame, Loye led off the inning with an infield hit. He took second on a wild pitch and AU placed runners on the corners when Ken Kellum reached on an error, placing Loye at third and no outs. A passed ball put two runners in scoring position, as Kellum took second, with none retired. However, Andrew Webb forced Averett to hit into a ground out with no runners advancing and struck out his next two batters to force the extra frame.

Webb was credited with the win in relief. He pitched two innings and allowed one hit, while striking out two and improved to 2-0 on the year. Daniel Moore and Smith each had two hits for NCWC.

AU trailed 2-0 after the top of the first, but answered with a run in the bottom of the first to trim the deficit to 2-1. Kellum fired a single to left field for an RBI in that frame and Eric Sibrizzi led off the third inning with a homer to knot the game at 2-2. AU took the lead in the fourth on an RBI by Waller that scored Brad Turner, who reached with a walk to start the inning. Wesleyan added two runs in the top of the fifth to grab a 4-3 lead, but AU rallied in the sixth with another Waller RBI. Three consecutive scoreless innings followed before Wesleyan took over in the tenth.

Adam Higgins (3-for-4) and Loye (3-for-6) both tallied three hits on the afternoon. Kellum added a 2-for-5 effort with an RBI, while Waller added a pair of RBIs. Ahmed Shelton gave up only six hits in 9.1 innings of work. He struck out four and allowed only four earned runs.

Averett will return to action on Saturday when they travel to Greensboro College for their final road series of the season.

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Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 30, 2008, 05:18:48 PM
Captains and Greensboro did not play today and it looks as if the game will not be made up either.
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Post by: NCWC on March 30, 2008, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 30, 2008, 05:18:48 PM
Captains and Greensboro did not play today and it looks as if the game will not be made up either.

Any reason on why they aren't going to make up the game?  I know Wesleyan stayed thru monday in G-boro earlier this season to finish the series.  I could see them not making up the game if CNU and G-boro were last and second to last.  But come on.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2008, 05:51:58 PM
i'd be willing to bet they make that game up if it's needed to break a tie of any sort...i'm not sure if the monarchs and eagles played today...it was spitting rain all day, but it never came down hard - no news on either website
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 30, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
If the Bishops manage to sweep the Hornats next weekend and Methodist takes at least one from CNU, I believe that CNU and GC will have to make that game up.
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Post by: narch on March 30, 2008, 07:48:31 PM
looks like the monarchs kissed their sister today, playing emory to an 8-8 tie in 10 - they were up 6-0 after 4, but emory scored 7 over the next two innings before the monarchs went up 8-7 with a 2 spot in the bottom of the 6th - both teams went scoreless until the 9th, when emory made 2 key substitutions that paid off - bralver pinch hit and led off with a triple and mcdonough pinch hit and singled bralver in to tie the game - it looks like the monarchs loaded the bases with two outs in the tenth, but couldn't get the run home...not sure what happened reading the box score...maybe proctor got tagged going to the plate on a squeeze play??? - mu certainly played solid ball against a top 25 team, but a split sure would have been much better than a one-run loss and a tie

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0330.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 30, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
According to what ive heard, conference rules state that you just have to play 10 of the 12 games and that as long as you reach 10, you dont have to worry about making the game up, whether they tied or not.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 31, 2008, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 30, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
According to what ive heard, conference rules state that you just have to play 10 of the 12 games and that as long as you reach 10, you dont have to worry about making the game up, whether they tied or not.

I know, but I figured their would be some fairness and sportsmanship.  Its probably for the best because Moreland would probably pitch again.

CNU has an excellent schedule at this poiny.  Mr. Moreland has started 33% of their games (8/24), and he was won 7.  If he isn't an all-american something isn't right.

I hope Methodist has a wonderful week of practice.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 31, 2008, 09:22:30 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 30, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
According to what ive heard, conference rules state that you just have to play 10 of the 12 games and that as long as you reach 10, you don't have to worry about making the game up, whether they tied or not.

If that is indeed a true conference rule, that is about the most idiotic ruling ever. What a joke. This means a team out front in first place or any position for that matter could cancel games to keep from running the risk from losing position in the conference standings. I know the USAS has some whacked up rules, but I can't believe this is true. >:(
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Post by: hokieone on March 31, 2008, 11:41:16 AM
   Actually, it would depend upon the circumstances. Assuming the only available time for GC to make the 4 hour trip is Monday  of Tournament week , as both teams have other games scheduled every weekend, If CNU stays hot, and keeps a two game lead, the makeup game would be meaningless for them. Presumably they'd throw somebody unlikely to be needed in the tournament, so they'd then catch grief for "not trying".

Of course, all of this may be academic as CNU has a very tough weekend series with Methodist, at Methodist, then Ferrum at Ferrum, and wins can never ever be assumed. Based upon last year's crazy finish, we may not know if the GC-CNU game will matter until all the other games have been played... and if old man weather wipes out one or two of them, you'll go nuts thinking about the possibilities.

Presumably all  of the schools thought about messiness such as this when they decided to play two games against each school instead of three.   

 
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Post by: NCWC on April 01, 2008, 04:25:45 PM
Monday, March 31, 2008
Smith and Webb tabbed USA South Athletes of the Week

Fayetteville, NC - The North Carolina Wesleyan Department of Athletics is pleased to announce that senior Matt Smith and freshman Andrew Webb have earned USA South weekly baseball honors for March 31st. Smith picked up Player of the Week honors after batting .727 in three games, while Webb was named Rookie Pitcher of the Week after tossing two scoreless innings in the Bishops' extra inning win over Averett. The duo helped Wesleyan turn in a 3-0 record last week.

Smith (pictured right), a senior from Stedman, NC, hit .727 (7-for-11) with seven runs scored, three RBI, two doubles and two walks. In an 11-3 win over Hampden-Sydney, Smith was 4-for-5 with three runs scored, one run batted in, one double, and one stolen base. In a doubleheader sweep of USA South rival Averett, he was a combined 4-for-6 with four runs scored, two RBI, two walks, one double, one sacrifice fly, and one sacrifice hit. To top things off, he drove in the eventual game-winning run against HSC, while scoring the winning runs in both games at Averett.

Webb (pictured left), a freshman from Rocky Mount, NC, collected a victory in his only appearance last week for the Bishops. In a 6-4, ten-inning, win over USA South rival Averett, Webb entered in the ninth inning with runners on first and third and no outs. He proceeded to get out of the jam by forcing a groundout and recording two strikeouts, eventually earning the win. In total, Webb pitched two innings and gave up no runs on one hit.

Congratulations to both athletes on their stellar performances


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 01, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
the odac gets one back, beating cnu 3-2 today, and lagrange gets by ncwc, 3-1

in other news, the monarchs dropped out of the orv section of the d3baseball/ncbwa poll after a week in which they defeated a d2 11-3, lost by one run to the #14 team in that poll and tied the #14 team in that poll...doesn't really matter, 'cause it's not the regional poll...just sayin'...doesn't make sense
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 02, 2008, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: narch on April 01, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
the odac gets one back, beating cnu 3-2 today, and lagrange gets by ncwc, 3-1

in other news, the monarchs dropped out of the orv section of the d3baseball/ncbwa poll after a week in which they defeated a d2 11-3, lost by one run to the #14 team in that poll and tied the #14 team in that poll...doesn't really matter, 'cause it's not the regional poll...just sayin'...doesn't make sense


It sure doesn't.  We are ranked ahead of CNU in the poll.

Pecora started at third base today against La Grange.  We had a couple of practices my last year in which Peco was backing up Nate West.  Peco made an error today but this change could possibly fill the defensive void at third and allow freshman standout daniel moore the opportunity to start in LF.  Another question for the rest of the year is who is going to stake claim to 1B?  Justin Batts and Ted Williams are putting up good offensive #'s but are shaky coming from behind the plate to first.

It was good to read that John Lucas threw 7 strong innings today.  Matt Smith extended his hitting streak to 10 games. In that span he is 23 for 36 (.639) at the plate.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 02, 2008, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 02, 2008, 12:14:17 AMIt sure doesn't.  We are ranked ahead of CNU in the poll.
i think ncwc ahead of cnu makes sense right now, based on strength of schedule
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Post by: NCWC on April 02, 2008, 09:38:03 PM
I hate to say it but I think the Bishops have been looking ahead the last two games and managed to get swept by La Grange.  I don't think they played with much intensity from what I gathered.  Not one stolen base attempt today but Matt Smith moved his streak up to 11.  He should be getting close to breaking some Wesleyan records.  The guys have BC tomorrow.  It would be a shame to see them go 0-3 on the week to some tough regional opponents.
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Post by: narch on April 03, 2008, 09:48:08 PM
the monarchs get a 4-2 win @ hsc today...they're now 20-9-1 - bisp goes 8 strong giving up just 6 hits, 1 er and striking out 6 - kisiah pitches the 9th and gets his the save

frosh ingrham and lancaster each got 9th inning rbi's to provide the winning margin - solid win for the monarchs...cnu is on the clock...should be a fun weekend

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0403.htm)
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Post by: A.G. on April 03, 2008, 10:10:39 PM
That should be some great baseball down in the sandhills, this weekend.  Looks like a soggy weekend, though, for all the USAS and ODAC games.
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Post by: NCWC on April 04, 2008, 05:18:39 PM
Wesleyan has taken 7 of the last 10 games from Shenandoah.  NCWC lead the series 2-1 last year.  I believe every game was a one run game.  Rocky Mount, NC gets to welcome Van Sickler to town.

Oh:  Matt Smith- 8-41 lifetime against SU
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Post by: A.G. on April 05, 2008, 06:34:06 PM
Just wondering...
...With today's rain-outs, will the Sunday DH's be 2 nines or a seven and a nine. 
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Post by: Wood on April 06, 2008, 08:10:35 PM
NCWC  wins both games aganist Shenandoah today .
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 06, 2008, 08:13:40 PM
I just saw where Methodist and CNU split their DH.  Moreland defeats MU for the first time in his career in game one.  Toth and Kisiah split the proceedings in the game two win.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on April 06, 2008, 08:39:36 PM
So do we put a asterick on the CNU regular season title if they are not playing greensboro in that missing game.  They should now play this game, and I not even sure why this game was not played to begin with. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 06, 2008, 09:35:34 PM
i was hoping for a monarch sweep and a su/ncwc split, but didn't get either - with 4 conference losses and ncwc finished with their conference schedule, the monarchs won't win their 4th straight regular season crown, but with a little help from ferrum and su, they could still get the #2 seed - looks like the games today were pretty well played, close contests - the monarchs stole 4 bases and had 2 sac's in game 2...vintage mu small-ball - a redemption game vs. guilford on thursday, then 2 at averett before an the rubber match with lynchburg and the usasac tourney...should be a fun couple of weeks
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 07, 2008, 12:08:19 AM
Looking at NCWC's regional record at 16-7-1 I was thinking how bad those last 2 losses to LaGrange hurt them.  But, they have 2 at Lynchburg at the end of the week.  Mr. Taylor was qouted as saying hell week about a month ago.  I think this weekend coming up for them would be hell week 2 or hell weekend 1.  Friday they play NCWC 2 times, Saturday a conf. set against Roanoke, sunday a conf. set against VWC, and Monday against Methodist.  What is an ideal record for an at large bid.  And I think it will be harder to get one this year b/c of how well Piedmont is doing.
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Post by: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 01:03:16 AM
Catfish, the game wasn't played because despite a forecast for clear weather, it began raining at 9:00 a.m. and didn't stop till late evening, and CNU has no lights.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2008, 07:52:38 AM
monday, april 14th looks like a good day to play the gc/cnu game...let's make it happen :)
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Post by: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 09:50:19 AM
   Sure, let's have both squads burn pitchers 3 days before the tournament, have Greensboro make the four hour trip. etc.  And all that assumes the weather cooperates, certainly not a given lately.

   I see the point obviously, but when USAS set up the schedule to go to two conference games against each school, as opposed to three,  presumably everybody knew you could end up with something like this.

   If the situation were reversed, NCWC would think the same thing.  A makeup game three days before the first day of the tournament is not exactly a fair thing either.

   Late season rainouts would certainly be a factor to consider should they ever re-visit the scheduling.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 09:50:19 AM
   Sure, let's have both squads burn pitchers 3 days before the tournament, have Greensboro make the four hour trip. etc.  And all that assumes the weather cooperates, certainly not a given lately.

   I see the point obviously, but when USAS set up the schedule to go to two conference games against each school, as opposed to three,  presumably everybody knew you could end up with something like this.

   If the situation were reversed, NCWC would think the same thing.  A makeup game three days before the first day of the tournament is not exactly a fair thing either.

   Late season rainouts would certainly be a factor to consider should they ever re-visit the scheduling.

This was not a late season rainout this was a mid season conference game that was not played.  they were exactly in the middle of the confernce schedule and decided not to play.  this is why teams do not schedule monday games so they can make them up.  This is very fishy as to why this game is not played at all. 
O'well they can have their 2nd conference regular season championship.  What do we have like 14 of them. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 01:03:16 AM
Catfish, the game wasn't played because despite a forecast for clear weather, it began raining at 9:00 a.m. and didn't stop till late evening, and CNU has no lights.
Weather was good on monday.  At least it was in Norfolk.
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Post by: Falcon2720 on April 07, 2008, 10:14:27 AM
I don't believe CNU has the pitching dept to win the conference tournament. Behind Moreland, there pitching drops off significantly.

CNU has two pitchers over 25 innings

Wesleyan and Methodist seem to have the most dept with to make a run at the tourny title.  You have to win at least 3 or 4 games in four days.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 01:03:16 AM
Catfish, the game wasn't played because despite a forecast for clear weather, it began raining at 9:00 a.m. and didn't stop till late evening, and CNU has no lights.
Weather was good on monday.  At least it was in Norfolk.

Actually according to weather.com   Weather on Monday March 31st which would have been the makeup date for this game if both teams would have agreed, was a high of 66, low of 47 and only 0.03 precip.  Very good conditions to play a baseball game. 
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Post by: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 10:38:12 AM
    And Greensboro hangs around Newport News another 24 hours, players miss all of their classes on Monday, with no advance notice to professors, whether there were papers due, tests to be taken, etc.
   
  CNU would've loved  to have gotten it in as they had a lot of nice 'mo after the 3 runs in the bottom of the ninth comeback the day before.     

  Clearly CNU's #2 hasn't thrown anything like Moreland lately and the pitching in the a.m. (After Moreland) will need to step it up if CNU is to go places. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 10:38:12 AM
    And Greensboro hangs around Newport News another 24 hours, players miss all of their classes on Monday, with no advance notice to professors, whether there were papers due, tests to be taken, etc.
   
  CNU would've loved  to have gotten it in as they had a lot of nice 'mo after the 3 runs in the bottom of the ninth comeback the day before.     

  Clearly CNU's #2 hasn't thrown anything like Moreland lately and the pitching in the a.m. (After Moreland) will need to step it up if CNU is to go places. 

We hung around Greensboro till Monday this year.   I did it a couple times when I played back in the late 90's.  I am not saying that any team has done anything wrong it just seems funny that this game was not played.  When we did the same exact thing earlier this year and played a Conference on a monday which happened to be against Greensboro.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 07, 2008, 11:44:50 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 09:50:19 AM
   Sure, let's have both squads burn pitchers 3 days before the tournament, have Greensboro make the four hour trip. etc.  And all that assumes the weather cooperates, certainly not a given lately.

   I see the point obviously, but when USAS set up the schedule to go to two conference games against each school, as opposed to three,  presumably everybody knew you could end up with something like this.

   If the situation were reversed, NCWC would think the same thing.  A makeup game three days before the first day of the tournament is not exactly a fair thing either.

   Late season rainouts would certainly be a factor to consider should they ever re-visit the scheduling.


If the situation were reversed Wesleyan would throw #4 or #5 and not think twice about it.  NCWC is behind in the standings by .027.  I wonder if this has anything to do with the silly Presidents Cup which CNU has seem to won a majority of the time.

I figure CNU will last 3 games in the tournament and it will be rained out like last year.  And the USAS will announce a winner when there has been no championship game played.  CNU has been taking fairness enhancers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 07, 2008, 12:07:45 PM
I'm sorry the Greensboro/CNU game was not played.  The teams were blindsided by the weather -- I was there and expected sunshine that day. 

Teams were not blindsided by the weather this weekend when CNU had to sit around in Fayetteville for over 36 hours before they could play a game.  NCWC had the foresight or thoughtfulness to postpone in advance of SU having to leave town.

I doubt that NCWC sat around Greensboro from Friday through Monday afternoon when they played their Monday game this season.  As I recall those games were pushed back with plenty of notice.  Maybe I'm wrong though.

As far as fairness enhancers, NCWC had a dose of those when they were scheduled to be done with their conference games a week of all the other teams in the USA south.

How did CNU benefit from the tournament rainouts last year?  They didn't.  It cost them, like it cost most everyone else.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 12:31:50 PM
All of this is just gonna make for a very interesting tournament.  I for one can not wait.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 07, 2008, 01:01:41 PM
vabaseball,

Nothing wrong with sitting around Fayetteville.  Great City.  Last I checked CNU has the internet and can look at the weather forecast.

Wesleyan still plays three games this weekend, so its not like their taking the week off.

Last I checked CNU still has to play Ferrum at Ferrum.  A sweep is not a given, especially with those umpires and weather conditions.

NCWC is 9-3.  CNU is 7-2.  If CNU splits, CNU will be 8-3.  Wesleyan will be Conference Champs, number 1 seed in the tournament and can potentially get that Friday bye.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 07, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
You are absolutely right.  CNU needs to sweep Ferrum or it will all be a moot point.

I'm not sure how game postponements work, but I didn't know that visitors could decide not to show for a game because they didn't like the forecast.

Hoping for no rain during the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2008, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 09:50:19 AMSure, let's have both squads burn pitchers 3 days before the tournament, have Greensboro make the four hour trip. etc.  And all that assumes the weather cooperates, certainly not a given lately.
it's not like playing on the monday before the usasac tournament is unprecedented...the monarchs are playing a regional game at lynchburg that monday...i think the greater point is that the conference needs to do everything they can to assure that this doesn't happen again (just as they need to do everything they can to assure that the tournament fiasco from last year doesn't happen again) AND the conference needs to ensure that coaches are doing everything they can to make reasonable accomodations when weather interferes with conference games - cnu and gc have/had time to find a mutually agreeable date to play that game (i'm with everyone else...seems like playing it on the monday after it was postponed would have been reasonable) - maybe they could cancel a non-conference game (cnu @ rmc on april 10, gc @ b'water on april 11) to play on the 10th or 11th...all of us would agree that a conference game is more important than a non-conference game, and i'm sure the b'water and rmc coaches would understand, as well...heck, they might even get that game back after conference tournaments conclude - and a win against gc for cnu (or cnu for gc) helps either team more from a regional standpoint than a win against b'water or rmc

Quote from: vabaseball on April 07, 2008, 12:07:45 PMTeams were not blindsided by the weather this weekend when CNU had to sit around in Fayetteville for over 36 hours before they could play a game.  NCWC had the foresight or thoughtfulness to postpone in advance of SU having to leave town.
with the weather this weekend, i see no problem waiting until the last minute to postpone...it was so touch-and-go (pouring rain one minute...barely sprinkling the next) around here all weekend that there was no way of knowing if conditions would permit games to be played on saturday OR sunday...if it had been possible to get a game in on saturday, it could have potentially saved some serious headaches had sunday been deemed unplayable - as it is, it worked out well - i'm sorry that cnu had to sit around in fayetteville for over 36 hours, but stuff happens when you're doing everything possible to ensure that you play all of your conference games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 02:22:53 PM
I just wish I knew for real why they did not play that second game on Monday.  I would like to know that reason. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 07, 2008, 03:41:06 PM
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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 07, 2008, 03:47:03 PM
     Catfish, I was hanging around the press box as they waited and waited, watching the radar the whole time, as Sunday afternoon drug on. If CNU was looking to avoid playing it, they could've canceled a whole lot earlier than they did. The umpires waited the whole time and the team was in the dugout all afternoon. It was only when it finally got so late that even if it stopped raining, and it ultimately didn't stop till after very late afternoon, there wasn't going to be enough daylight to play that the game was called.  Presumably (without really knowing) Greensboro had issues about staying another day, certainly understandable for academic reasons, or they could've stayed for a Monday game. The field was available, CNU was available. Don't know about umpires.   I guess your best answer would come from Greensboro, but the coaches were in communication the whole time. 

     I guess it could've been Jimmy Hoffa, or the somebody on the grassy knoll, or perhaps the CIA. ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 07, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
Since this happened the middle of the conference season and for some reason GC couldn't stay over at CNU and play on Monday like the other teams in the conference do, plus the fact these two teams haven't worked to find a way to play the game.......simple solution, drop a forfeited loss on both their records and let the standings shake out that way. I bet they would find a way to play the game then!
As I stated in an earlier post, this is the most idiotic rule I've ever heard of and if it stands this year, it should be the last year. Crazy  ???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 07, 2008, 09:46:28 PM
All I know is I am going to be the biggest Ferrum fan this weekend. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 07, 2008, 12:07:45 PM
I'm sorry the Greensboro/CNU game was not played.  The teams were blindsided by the weather -- I was there and expected sunshine that day. 

Teams were not blindsided by the weather this weekend when CNU had to sit around in Fayetteville for over 36 hours before they could play a game.  NCWC had the foresight or thoughtfulness to postpone in advance of SU having to leave town.

I doubt that NCWC sat around Greensboro from Friday through Monday afternoon when they played their Monday game this season.  As I recall those games were pushed back with plenty of notice.  Maybe I'm wrong though.

As far as fairness enhancers, NCWC had a dose of those when they were scheduled to be done with their conference games a week of all the other teams in the USA south.

How did CNU benefit from the tournament rainouts last year?  They didn't.  It cost them, like it cost most everyone else.


I don't think that NCWC set their conf. schedule.  It comes around and goes around.  I really don't care either way if CNU plays that game or not.  Playing the 6 or 7 seed is always a plus, we are locked in at a two seed and can only go up.  What does matter is the homefield advantage and the way the seeds play out for the middle of the pack.  As far as the mention of the conf. tournament statement I was just trying to point out that sometimes the conf. is a mess.  You would think there would be some foresight.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 12:07:45 AM
Monday, April 07, 2008
WEEKLY SPOTLIGHT:  Baseball's Matt Smith speeds to top of career hits list


Rocky Mount, NC - He had 49 as a freshman in 2005 and was named the USA South's Rookie of the Year... He tallied 76 as a sophomore and led his team to the Division III World Series... He added 71 as a junior and was tabbed an All-American... He currently has 55 this season for the nationally ranked Bishops... He is senior Matt Smith, who on Sunday, tied the North Carolina Wesleyan baseball record for hits with the 251st of his career.

The son of Freddy Smith and Mavis Walters, Smith has reached the milestone in a variety of ways. He has nine career homeruns, nine triples, and 34 doubles. Then there's the single... 199 of them to be exact. Some were screaming line drives... some just found a hole... many, however, were simply the result of Smith's speed. Nearly impossible to throw out when he lays down a good bunt, Smith has kept infielders on their toes for four years now while leading the Bishops to four consecutive winning seasons.

And because he can beat you in so many ways with his bat, Smith is one of the most respected hitters in the USA South and in North Carolina Wesleyan history. The four-time All-Conference selection will finish his eligibility this season with a career average upwards of .375, and he'll be remembered as one of the best defensive players to ever wear the Blue & Gold, winning the South Region's Gold Glove in 2007.

For all the accolades, however, this record is special. The 20-year old mark has belonged to former Bishop standout Rusty Dail since 1989. A member of the 1989 National Championship team, Dail was a 2004 inductee into NCWC's Athletics Hall of Fame. Smith needed 56 hits to pass Dail at the start of this season... then 50... then 33... then 21... then 10... now ONE...

One hit and he'll be all alone at the top. This time he'll be hard to catch not because of his speed, but because of the legacy he's leaving behind.

Smith's next chance to break the record will be on Friday when the Battling Bishops travel to Lynchburg College.








Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 08, 2008, 05:38:26 AM
That's awesome...he seems to be a good kid from the few times I've seen him play...and he plays the game "right."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2008, 09:32:06 AM
So Averett and GBC played on monday.  That is twice that someone has played a conference makeup game on Monday at Greensboro.  But Greensboro does not wait to makeup a game on monday at someone elses place.  Once again seems fishy. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 08, 2008, 09:51:50 AM
^ I second that!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 08, 2008, 10:18:08 AM
According to mapquest, it is 47 miles from Danville to Greensboro.  I doubt that the Averett team sat in a motel room in Greensboro from Friday evening through Monday night.

When Greensboro played CNU, they traveled over 4 hours on Friday night.  They left late in the afternoon Sunday after sitting in the dugout for several hours watching it rain.

You are comparing applies to oranges.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 08, 2008, 10:18:08 AM
According to mapquest, it is 47 miles from Danville to Greensboro.  I doubt that the Averett team sat in a motel room in Greensboro from Friday evening through Monday night.

When Greensboro played CNU, they traveled over 4 hours on Friday night.  They left late in the afternoon Sunday after sitting in the dugout for several hours watching it rain.

You are comparing applies to oranges.


CNU is just scared to play G-Boro .  They almost lost the first game and dont want to take a chance on the second one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 08, 2008, 10:30:56 AM
Just keep on speculating.....

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 08, 2008, 11:40:51 AM
NCWC,   

    Good grief, "scared to play Greensboro", what a silly and juvenile comment.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 08, 2008, 12:40:31 PM
The tournament championship is more important than the regular season championship.

Winning the regular season does not give you a spot in the regionals.

Last I checked, the number 2 seed has won the last three tournaments (2005 Ferrum, 2006 Wesleyan, 2007 Ferrum).  So if I was NCWC, a 2 seed is just fine with me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2008, 01:24:52 PM
OK but then lets say CNU gets swept this weekend.  Then Methodist is screwed out of the 2nd seed.  As much as a hated rival Methodist is then they get screwed, it not just about NCWC getting screwed this can affect a lot of teams.   Gotta love this heated topic.  We need more of these on this message board this is fun. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 08, 2008, 01:55:26 PM
funny stuff...i think we probably all agree, however, that the conference should have a set of guidelines in place to ensure that every team makes every reasonable effort to play all of their conference games, especially as there are so few conference games to begin with - honestly, i've always heard that the conference has discouraged teams from scheduling monday games after a conference weekend to allow for just this type of situation...maybe that's just urban legend, but it makes good sense - if it isn't policy, maybe it should be? i know that most usasac schools don't have huge budgets and staying an extra day a couple of times a year might cause our student-athletes to miss one or two more classes and cost a few hundred dollars more, but we're talking about someting that MIGHT happen once or twice a year for each team (if at all)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 08, 2008, 02:14:46 PM
Has anyone inquired with the conference about this issue?  I agree it's a problem and all games should be played.  I also think the tournament is scheduled too early in April and doesn't accommodate rainy weather.

I'm sure not going to worry about Methodist hypothetically at this point.  Aren't they the ones who benefitted from last year's tournament fiasco?

But as far as the Averett/Greensboro game: It was played at 7 pm last night.  That didn't cost any money for hotel rooms, because I imagine that Averett headed to Greensboro AFTER their Monday classes.  Just a different deal.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2008, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 08, 2008, 02:14:46 PM
Has anyone inquired with the conference about this issue?  I agree it's a problem and all games should be played.  I also think the tournament is scheduled too early in April and doesn't accommodate rainy weather.

I'm sure not going to worry about Methodist hypothetically at this point.  Aren't they the ones who benefitted from last year's tournament fiasco?

But as far as the Averett/Greensboro game: It was played at 7 pm last night.  That didn't cost any money for hotel rooms, because I imagine that Averett headed to Greensboro AFTER their Monday classes.  Just a different deal.

But even if Methodist benfitted last year the point is that with these crazy conference lack of rules or bad rules some team is always going to get the shaft. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 08, 2008, 03:00:35 PM
vabaseball,

How did Methodist benefit from the tournament last year?

Ferrum won the tournament and got the automatic bid because the championship game got rained out.  They also got to host the regional because of the automatic.

Good Logic ;) And I thought CNU's academic standards were going up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 08, 2008, 03:26:09 PM
Falcon, please accept my apologies for wondering if Methodist won the tournament last year.

I am not a CNU student. But I did follow the USA South a bit last year -- clearly not enough.

I'm just trying to figure out this relentless attack on CNU -- and now you are going after the academics as well.

Wonderful....





Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2008, 03:35:16 PM
VABaseball let it be know I am attacking both CNU and Greensboro on this issue equally. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 08, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
vabaseball,

Its called sarcasm.  If it makes you feel any better, CNU is the best academic school in the USA South.

Look back at all my post, I have never said anything about them needing to make up the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 08, 2008, 08:50:13 PM
Sorry to break up this love-fest, fellas...but I thought the NCWC fans on board would like to know the Fri DH at LC is now a single game at 3 PM.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 08, 2008, 11:40:51 AM
NCWC,   

    Good grief, "scared to play Greensboro", what a silly and juvenile comment.

c'mon now you really thought that was a serious comment?  What a gullible and judgemental statement by yourself.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 08, 2008, 03:35:16 PM
VABaseball let it be know I am attacking both CNU and Greensboro on this issue equally. 

lets not misplace the blame.  Its all on CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 08, 2008, 08:50:13 PM
Sorry to break up this love-fest, fellas...but I thought the NCWC fans on board would like to know the Fri DH at LC is now a single game at 3 PM.

Thats better news for Lynchburg.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 08, 2008, 10:36:27 PM
NCWC, sorry I didn't detect the lack of seriousness; a little hard to discern there among the how-dare-they-not-make that-one-up volleys being served. Sorry.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 09, 2008, 07:06:25 AM
Quote from: NCWC on April 08, 2008, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 08, 2008, 08:50:13 PM
Sorry to break up this love-fest, fellas...but I thought the NCWC fans on board would like to know the Fri DH at LC is now a single game at 3 PM.

Thats better news for Lynchburg.

Not really...I was REALLY counting on those two wins  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 09, 2008, 09:01:14 AM
I'm sure our guys would rather play just 1 anyhow.  They have to leave to go up to York after the game I believe.  That is not an enjoyable bus ride.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 09, 2008, 09:44:19 PM
The 2008 USA South Baseball Tournament Website is up and running.

Here's the link...

http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008usasouth.htm

Looks like the tournament format has changed this year.  The 1 seed has a first round bye with the chance to knock off the loser of the 4/5 match-up in the fourth game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 10, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
Using my hindsight I looked back on the early parts of the Wesleyan season.  "IF" NCWC didn't play the #1 ranked D2 school in the nation Ben Moore would probably be sitting at 8-0.


That new format is all the reason they should play that make up game.  I wonder what both of those teams are doing right now.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: JAF on April 10, 2008, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 08, 2008, 08:50:13 PM
Sorry to break up this love-fest, fellas...but I thought the NCWC fans on board would like to know the Fri DH at LC is now a single game at 3 PM.

WOW it looks like NCWC is ducking the second game. What's the matter are they scared. Let's have a full scale investigation into why NCWC will not play this game!!! Something just sounds fishy about this to me!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 10, 2008, 07:04:46 PM
Now that thar's funny....I don't care who ya are! ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2008, 09:21:28 PM
the monarchs got redemption in a big way today for a one-run loss to guilford earlier in the season, winning 10-0 -jordan goes 7, giving up 3 hits and strikes out 4 - quinn had a 4 rbi day - the monarchs are now 22-10-1

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0410.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 10, 2008, 09:52:52 PM
Just found out NCWC will take on Bridgewater Monday in a weather induced make up game (April 3rd) after a long road trip against Lynchburg Friday and York on Sunday. It doesn't look like they are dodging anybody.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 10, 2008, 10:39:46 PM
CNU lost to RMC 4-2.

They have lost their last 3 non-conference games to ODAC teams HSC, Bridgewater, and now RMC.

Seems they have no number 3 pitcher.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 11, 2008, 08:29:12 AM
    Actually the number 2's and 3's have struggled a little lately but yesterday the pitching was fine. The bats were unfortunately kind of cool; CNU has been hitting the daylights out of the ball all spring, but some bats cooled at the same time some pitchers struggled, and as any baseball guy knows, it doesn't take much to douse the 'mo.   4 runs shouldn't have won yesterday's game,  but RMC hit the ball  very well, played good defense, and got good pitching when they needed it.  Tip the hat to Coach Hedrick and his guys for a well-played game.

  Our Captains simply need to realize their tournament starts this weekend with Ferrum, a very capable squad despite their record, and play the game one pitch, one at bat, one inning, and one game at a time.   When post-season discussion starts before the regular season ends, focus can inadvertently shift away from the job directly in front of you, not a good thing. (I like how Frank Beamer handles "expectations" with his Hokie football team-the only game is the next game, and it's game 1, game 2, game 3, etc.  The opponent doesn't matter.  A very good philosophy by Sir Frank.)

   CNU has the talent to play for a long time yet, but so do some other USAS teams and they won't all get the chance.  Next week should be fun to watch. There should be some great baseball in Burlington. Let's hope the weather cooperates, starting with this weekend. Early forecast says weather at Ferrum  might be a little dicey on Saturday, but with lights, and that gazillion dollar field over there, both games will get played.

   I love the spoof on NCWC "ducking" a game with Lynchburg, a very good ODAC team.  ;D   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 08:44:02 AM
This is a key time for the OOC games for both leagues.  The upcoming games for NCWC are key for them, if they want to be considered for an at-large bid...as well at Methodist.  I suspect Monday's game between MU and LC will be rather ugly, with both teams thin on pitching.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 11, 2008, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: JAF on April 10, 2008, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 08, 2008, 08:50:13 PM
Sorry to break up this love-fest, fellas...but I thought the NCWC fans on board would like to know the Fri DH at LC is now a single game at 3 PM.

WOW it looks like NCWC is ducking the second game. What's the matter are they scared. Let's have a full scale investigation into why NCWC will not play this game!!! Something just sounds fishy about this to me!!!!


At the time of the cancellation Lyncburg had two games against NCWC on Friday, two games against Roanoke on Saturday, 2 games against VWC on sunday and then a game against Methodist on Monday.  Now I wonder which coach called and played the whole "I got a lot of games to play in 4 days card"?  Go back to sleep.

Last time these two played Wesleyan won 9-4.




11 (Fri.)
vs. North Carolina Wesleyan
Fox Field
3 pm

12 (Sat.)
at Roanoke College (DH)*
Roanoke, VA
noon

13 (Sun.)
Virginia Wesleyan College (DH)*
Fox Field
1 p.m.

14 (Mon.)
Methodist University

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 11, 2008, 09:17:57 AM
What are the chances the South Region gets another 7 team bid this year. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 09:47:32 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 11, 2008, 09:17:57 AM
What are the chances the South Region gets another 7 team bid this year. 

We can only hope.  You almost have to figure Emory and Piedmont are locks, as is Salisbury.  A key is going to be SSU not getting upset in its tournament, b/c that will take away another bid.  If that happens, you have Piedmont, Emory, SSU, Capital Conf winner, ODAC, winner, USAS winner.  That would leave ONE at-large bid if the South gets 7.  Even with the good records, LC, CNU, and NCWC would probably scramble if they do get the automatic. 

(corrected to replace LaGrange with Piedmont)...I messed that up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2008, 12:32:26 PM
A.G.,

Do you mean Piedmont instead of LaGrange as a lock.
Piedmont is more of a lock at 24-8 with two wins over Emory. LaGrange is 18-13.

I don't think the Capital Conference has an automatic bid.

Right Now Here are my regional predictions...

Salisbury
Piedmont
Emory
ODAC Champion (I think Lynchburg will Win it)
USA South Champion (I think NC Wesleyan will Win it)
CNU, Methodist, and Mary Washington fighting for the last spot
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2008, 02:16:37 PM
i don't think it matters what salisbury does in their conference tourney...at 30-1 on the season currently, i just don't see them being left out of the ncaa tournament - their schedule hasn't been great, but they've made up for it with the sheer volume of wins - they're a lock

lagrange has no shot...a 3rd usasac team would make it before lagrange, in my opinion

piedmont will certainly be able to make a strong case, but i wouldn't call them an absolute lock at this point...in my opinion they've got a better chance than any of the teams below, though

rhodes is coming on strong, and at 24-9 (against a pretty good schedule) they have to be in the conversation

if lynchburg doesn't win the odac, i think they have to be in the conversation, as well...they've played a very solid non-conference schedule and they're 21-7 right now - lc is the only odac team with a pool c shot

mary wash is a possibility, and their schedule is back-loaded with rmc, cnu, ncwc and hopkins after the cac tournament (where they'll likely get to play salisbury) - nothing about their schedule to date is overly impressive, though, and at 20-8, they don't look any better than mu, cnu, ncwc or lynchburg, to me

i certainly think that cnu, mu and ncwc will all get long looks if they don't win the usasac - all 3 will NOT get pool c's, though, if none wins the usasac tournament
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2008, 02:26:57 PM
if y'all don't read the weekly blog on the baseball site, you should...this week's blog is an interview with jarrod washburn and he mentions the monarchs and brian ford beating uw-oshkosh twice in the 1995 championships - good stuff - here's the link (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/04/09/clearing-the-bases-12)

and here's the quote:
"Q. How did it feel to win the 1994 D-III Championship?
A. At the time, the best feeling in the world. When you start the season you set out with the goal of winning the championship no matter the level. You want to be the last team standing at the end. We were able to accomplish the goal and win it all that year. It was the greatest feeling in the world.

Q. What about the 1995 Championship?
A. That was a disappointment. I still think we were the best team but we got beat and ended third. There was one lefty [Methodist's Brian Ford] that beat us twice and he had our number. It was a tough loss."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 11, 2008, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: narch on April 11, 2008, 02:26:57 PM
if y'all don't read the weekly blog on the baseball site, you should...this week's blog is an interview with jarrod washburn and he mentions the monarchs and brian ford beating uw-oshkosh twice in the 1995 championships - good stuff - here's the link (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/04/09/clearing-the-bases-12)

and here's the quote:
"Q. How did it feel to win the 1994 D-III Championship?
A. At the time, the best feeling in the world. When you start the season you set out with the goal of winning the championship no matter the level. You want to be the last team standing at the end. We were able to accomplish the goal and win it all that year. It was the greatest feeling in the world.

Q. What about the 1995 Championship?
A. That was a disappointment. I still think we were the best team but we got beat and ended third. There was one lefty [Methodist's Brian Ford] that beat us twice and he had our number. It was a tough loss."


Wesleyan went in the that 94 Series 42-2 that year with a loss to D1East Carolina and someone else.   They were the team to beat that year.  Coach Fox would always talk about that team and the offense they had that year. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 06:44:00 PM
LC defeats NCWC 11-10 in 10 innings.  Here is a link to LC's live stats if anyone is interested in seeing how the game transpired:
http://livestats.lynchburg.edu/

Now...my comments:
This was a hard played game  by both teams...and both teams capitalized on the other's miscues.  With the bats up and down both line-ups, you just can't give either an extra out or two.

It appeared to me that NCWC is focused on setting their pitching rotation for next week, and rightfully so.  LC threw mostly freshman, saving its primary pitchers for the back-to-back ODAC DH this weekend.

I was also FINALLY able to really focus on Pecora and Smith.  Those two young man PLAY THE GAME RIGHT...and can flat rake.  Matt got his "hit" to lead-off the game, got the ball, and a nice ovation.  Pecora hit maybe the two hardest balls I've seen hit at LC...one smoked one-hopper almost took our 2B head off (LH)...and he went oppo from the right side about 420+ over our RCF fence (between the 400 and 445 sign.  One thing I wonder, is Peco looks like he's favoring his arm on throws to 3B...but that could be thinking about the difference in the throw compared to the howitzer throws he's used to from the O.F.

Good luck to the Bishops on their major road trip...and in the tourney next week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 11, 2008, 06:44:54 PM
you beat me to the punch.  Its a shame matt couldn't have done that at home.  And this leads me to believe that Moore and Robertson will only see light work if any on this trip.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 06:57:17 PM
I was surprised to not see either of them, today, as they could have split the game and be on pretty much a full rest going into the tournament.

BTW...my son said BOTH Smith and Pecora should get drafted...that Matt is that good of a player and someone should take a shot on him.  On Crews's triple, Matt ALMOST made a Jim Edmonds back to the plate catch in deep RCF...laid out and the ball just tipped off his glove. 

BTW...pretty classy group of parents and fans traveling with the team, I enjoyed meeting some and talking with them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 11, 2008, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 11, 2008, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: narch on April 11, 2008, 02:26:57 PM
if y'all don't read the weekly blog on the baseball site, you should...this week's blog is an interview with jarrod washburn and he mentions the monarchs and brian ford beating uw-oshkosh twice in the 1995 championships - good stuff - here's the link (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/04/09/clearing-the-bases-12)

and here's the quote:
"Q. How did it feel to win the 1994 D-III Championship?
A. At the time, the best feeling in the world. When you start the season you set out with the goal of winning the championship no matter the level. You want to be the last team standing at the end. We were able to accomplish the goal and win it all that year. It was the greatest feeling in the world.

Q. What about the 1995 Championship?
A. That was a disappointment. I still think we were the best team but we got beat and ended third. There was one lefty [Methodist's Brian Ford] that beat us twice and he had our number. It was a tough loss."


Wesleyan went in the that 94 Series 42-2 that year with a loss to D1East Carolina and someone else.   They were the team to beat that year.   Coach Fox would always talk about that team and the offense they had that year. 
I'm not so sure about that. That 39-5 1995 Oshkosh team was the defending national champion and featured four future pro pitchers (three went in the first 14 rounds and two in the first 5 rounds) and had perhaps (probably) the best position player in D3 history, SS Tim Jorgenson, who hit .491 with 39 HR, 121 RBI and 83 R, 1.275 SLG in 44 games that year. Jorgenson hit for the cycle in one game that year ... with home runs! He hit a solo, 2-run, 3-run and grand slam in the same game.

Protecting Jorgenson was 1B Craig Lieder, who had 23 HR and 73 RBI in 1995. Up and down that lineup there was a star. That 1995 team was probably the best in Oshkosh history, even though it didn't win it all.

Oshkosh lost to D1 Arkansas and split four games with NAIA powerhouse St. Francis. UWO's only D3 losses were those two to Methodist.

If anything, the Methodist/Oshkosh games pitted two of the best teams of the era. I'd go so far as to call them the best. Those were the days ... but I find it almost unbelievable that there was another team as good as Oshkosh that year, let alone a better one. Reading Wash's quotes, he still can't believe it either ... 13 years later.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 11, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 06:57:17 PM
I was surprised to not see either of them, today, as they could have split the game and be on pretty much a full rest going into the tournament.

BTW...my son said BOTH Smith and Pecora should get drafted...that Matt is that good of a player and someone should take a shot on him.  On Crews's triple, Matt ALMOST made a Jim Edmonds back to the plate catch in deep RCF...laid out and the ball just tipped off his glove. 

BTW...pretty classy group of parents and fans traveling with the team, I enjoyed meeting some and talking with them.

Pecora did last year, he probably will again.  About 30 pages of this thread ago we had a discussion about Matt.  I always thought some team should give him a chance.  He's not big and if he was it would probably ruin his game, people have questioned his strength, he is not bench press or squat strong.  He is country strong.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 09:03:28 PM
...and being raised in the country...I can appreciate "country strong."  I recall the discussion on Matt and the knock against his size.  My son says its a crock.  Some team certainly will give him a shot in a 50 round draft.  He seems to be a very level headed kid, too.  I spoke to him briefly after the game and he comes across very polite, even after a tough loss.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 11, 2008, 09:33:15 PM
Smith made one of the best catches I've ever seen against CNU this year, at any level, going from  dead center to straightaway left to catch a high fly off Chris Despins bat on the warning track; the ground he covered to get there was just hard to believe.  Still is.  And the NCWC parents were indeed great folks and we enjoyed them when they came to CNU.   

CNU v. Ferrum backed up to 5:00 p.m. tomorrow, I guess trying to assure the rain has cleared out. For the scoreboad watchers, don't go nuts looking too early.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 11, 2008, 10:00:16 PM
Enjoy Rocky Mount  ;D
(my hometown...I can joke)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 11, 2008, 11:50:16 PM
Friday, April 11, 2008
Smith breaks career hits record, NCWC falls at Lynchburg 11-10


Lynchburg, VA - Senior Matt Smith entered Friday afternoon's game at Lynchburg College tied for first place on North Carolina Wesleyan's career hits list. It did not take him long to separate himself from his predecessors as he led off the game with a single through the right side, the 252nd hit of his stellar career. Smith (pictured) collected four more hits on the day, going 5-for-6 with three runs scored and two RBI. Unfortunately, it was not enough as the Bishops (23-10-1) fell to the Hornets (23-7) in extra innings by an 11-10 score. The victory was Lynchburg's ninth straight.

NC Wesleyan scored three runs in the first two innings, two coming on a Smith double in the second. The Hornets battled back, scoring six runs in the bottom of the fourth to take a 7-4 lead, but the Bishops refused to quit as they regained a two-run lead in the sixth with four runs of their own.
Trailing by two going into the ninth, the Hornets got a RBI-triple from Jon Crews, who later scored on a sac-fly by sophomore Jeff Taylor to send the game to extras.

After holding the Bishops scoreless in their half of the tenth, Kyle Bradley singled with two outs to start the Hornets' rally in the bottom of the frame. A crucial Bishop throwing error extended the inning, allowing Daniel Haugh to deliver a two-out RBI-single that plated the winning run.

Bradley ended the game 4-for-5 with three RBI, while Keith Yancey got the win in relief. He gave up only two hits in two innings of work.

Wesleyan was sparked by Smith, who broke NCWC Hall of Famer Rusty Dail's 20-year old mark. Chris Pecora was 3-for-6 with five driven home, while Justin Batts tripled and homered. Freshman Andrew Webb suffered the loss.

Wesleyan returns to action on Sunday when the Bishops travel to York College (PA). Game time is slated for 1:00 p.m.




Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 12, 2008, 10:19:32 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 11, 2008, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 11, 2008, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: narch on April 11, 2008, 02:26:57 PM
if y'all don't read the weekly blog on the baseball site, you should...this week's blog is an interview with jarrod washburn and he mentions the monarchs and brian ford beating uw-oshkosh twice in the 1995 championships - good stuff - here's the link (http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/04/09/clearing-the-bases-12)

and here's the quote:
"Q. How did it feel to win the 1994 D-III Championship?
A. At the time, the best feeling in the world. When you start the season you set out with the goal of winning the championship no matter the level. You want to be the last team standing at the end. We were able to accomplish the goal and win it all that year. It was the greatest feeling in the world.

Q. What about the 1995 Championship?
A. That was a disappointment. I still think we were the best team but we got beat and ended third. There was one lefty [Methodist's Brian Ford] that beat us twice and he had our number. It was a tough loss."


Wesleyan went in the that 94 Series 42-2 that year with a loss to D1East Carolina and someone else.   They were the team to beat that year.   Coach Fox would always talk about that team and the offense they had that year. 
I'm not so sure about that. That 39-5 1995 Oshkosh team was the defending national champion and featured four future pro pitchers (three went in the first 14 rounds and two in the first 5 rounds) and had perhaps (probably) the best position player in D3 history, SS Tim Jorgenson, who hit .491 with 39 HR, 121 RBI and 83 R, 1.275 SLG in 44 games that year. Jorgenson hit for the cycle in one game that year ... with home runs! He hit a solo, 2-run, 3-run and grand slam in the same game.

Protecting Jorgenson was 1B Craig Lieder, who had 23 HR and 73 RBI in 1995. Up and down that lineup there was a star. That 1995 team was probably the best in Oshkosh history, even though it didn't win it all.

Oshkosh lost to D1 Arkansas and split four games with NAIA powerhouse St. Francis. UWO's only D3 losses were those two to Methodist.

If anything, the Methodist/Oshkosh games pitted two of the best teams of the era. I'd go so far as to call them the best. Those were the days ... but I find it almost unbelievable that there was another team as good as Oshkosh that year, let alone a better one. Reading Wash's quotes, he still can't believe it either ... 13 years later.

I was talking about our 94 team.  I have no doubt that 95 team was legit.   We didn't have a D3 lose till the series in 94.  Lost to East Carolina 2-3 at ECU and beat William & Mary and UNC Wilmington that year both D1.  We had 3 players drafted from the 94 team all hitters.  We both could go on and on about how great these teams were so it would be safe to say all these teams were great.  BTW we were 4-3 against Methodist that year losing in the regional finals against them that year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 12, 2008, 09:10:18 PM
CNU wins the opener, 9-4. Kenny Moreland goes 6 then exits with a touch of sickness. CNU bullpen does its job well.  Ferrum shot itself in the foot all day with beaucoup errors. What a gorgeous field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 13, 2008, 04:57:28 PM
CNU downs Ferrum 14-0 on Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 13, 2008, 04:59:08 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 13, 2008, 04:57:28 PM
CNU downs Ferrum 14-0 on Sunday afternoon.


That locks up #1 and #2.  Nice conference season by the Captains.  NCWC takes down York 11-6 and waited to the last few innings to do so.

So at the end of the regular season, CNU locks it up at 9-2, NCWC 9-3, G-boro 7-4, Methodist 7-5, Shenandoah 5-7, Ferrum and Averett 2-10.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 14, 2008, 09:05:34 AM
About Matt Smith getting drafted, I presonally think he should get a shot but he will probably not.  One note on this East Carolina has a similar centerfielder (right handed batter) who  is about the same size same speed though the ECU CF is a little more filled out up top.  They are like carbon copies of each other, both are seniors this year and I will keep my eye on the draft to see if the ECU CF gets drafted.   Though probably both will go undrafted I think.
Smith actaully had better a season that him in the Coastal Plain League also.  If the ECU guy that would just fuel the agreement on D3 guys vs. D1 guys in the draft. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2008, 02:15:46 PM
the saturday loss by the monarchs was tough from the standpoint of conf tourney seeding and regional record - the monarch bats just didn't wake up until sunday - they're at lynchburg today and need a win in a bad way if they want any chance at a pool c should they fail to win the conference tourney

A.G. sent me a message asking what i thought the monarchs would do from a pitching standpoint, and i responded that i thought they'd pitch jordan, with a strict pitch count and the hope that he could go 5 and then get an inning or 2 from andrade, and inning from kisiah and an inning from sholar - if the monarchs lost in game 1, the earliest they could possibly need jordan would be friday, and that gives him 3 full days of rest

i think that regional games are still CRITICAL for the monarchs - i could be grasping straws, but i've got them at 18-9-1 in region with 5 regional games to play along with the usasac tournament - a 8-2 record in those games, against the teams they're playing and have played has to get them into the conversation for a pool c bid if they don't win the usasac tournament - today is too important to whole staff it, especially when you won't necessarily be hurting your chances to win the conference tournament by pitching your best available pitcher today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 14, 2008, 02:41:29 PM
Gisenger on the bump.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 14, 2008, 03:47:36 PM
Kisiah in now with more action in the MU pen.  Looking like Johnny whole staff.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2008, 05:49:17 PM
if the monarchs win, that's a great strategy :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 14, 2008, 05:55:38 PM
LC wins 8 to 4 and goes 5 and 2 in hell week 2. Wins against MU and NCWC and VWC hopefully will help for an at large if needed.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2008, 09:02:05 PM
not the result i was hoping for today for the monarchs...lc goes 2-1 vs. mu on the season...ouch...a losing record against an odac team :) - good news...it doesn't look like any monarch pitcher was overly taxed and all should be ready to go for the weekend...just win the last one this weekend, boys, and let someone else worry about their pool c candidacy :)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0414.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2008, 11:07:32 PM
not sure if there are any more usasac vs. odac match ups, but the usasac currently has a 47-28-1 (.625) series advantage - only ferrum has a losing record vs. the odac

au: 8-8
cnu: 6-4
gc: 11-1
mu: 8-3
ncwc: 6-2-1
su: 5-3
fc: 3-7
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 15, 2008, 07:08:18 AM
I know of at least one match-up.  LC hosts GC next week before the ODAC tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 15, 2008, 06:30:34 PM
I have nothing to say for myself today so I will copy and paste:

Monday, April 14, 2008
Diamond Bishops split pair, prepare for USA South Tourney

Bridgewater, VA - The Battling Bishop baseball team of North Carolina Wesleyan split a pair of non-conference road games on Sunday and Monday, downing York College by an 11-6 score and falling to Bridgewater 5-1. The two contests served as the Bishops' final tune-ups before entering this upcoming weekend's USA South Conference Tournament. Wesleyan will enter the tourney with a 24-11-1 overall record.

At York, Matt Smith gave the Bishops a quick 1-0 advantage when he led off the game with his third homerun of the season. Wesleyan managed a 4-2 lead before the Spartans put up a four-spot in the bottom of the fourth inning to go up 6-4.

The Bishops tied the score with single runs in the fifth and seventh, and NCWC went on to secure the win with five runs over the eighth and ninth stanzas. The four-run ninth was capped by a three-RBI double by junior Justin Tuck.

Freshman Andrew Webb (3-1) earned the win in relief after tossing 2.1 scoreless innings.

At Bridgewater, the Bishops managed just three hits on the day, while their single run came on a Jason Webb homer in the fifth.

Doug Roenker (2-2) took the loss on the mound.

Wesleyan will now prepare for the 2008 USA South Conference Tournament to be held in Burlington, NC. First round play begins on Thursday when the 2nd-seeded Bishops take on 7th-seeded Averett at 4:30 p.m. NCWC swept a two-game set with the Cougars earlier in the season.

Complete coverage can be found at http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008usasouth.htm, and the winner will receive an automatic bid to the NCAAs


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 16, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
USA South All-Conference Teams

Player of the Year
Trae Bailey - Chris. Newport

Pitcher of the Year
Kenny Moreland - Chris. Newport

Rookie of the Year
Greg Van Sickler - Shenandoah

Rookie Pitcher of the Year
J.R. Pike - Greensboro

Coach of the Year
John Harvell - Chris. Newport


The 2008 USA South All-Conference Baseball Teams follow:

First Team

1B - Dan Poindexter - Greensboro
2B - Alex Owen - Chris. Newport
3B - Seth Kivett - Methodist
SS - Trae Bailey - Chris. Newport
C - Nick Baker - Ferrum
DH - Ryan McDougal - Chris. Newport
Util - Greg Van Sickler - Shenandoah
OF - Matt Smith - N.C. Wesleyan
        Chris Pecora - N.C. Wesleyan
        Eric Cole - Chris. Newport
P - Kenny Moreland - Chris. Newport
      Ben Moore - N.C. Wesleyan
RP - Torrey Poholsky - Greensboro    

Second Team

1B - Chris Despins - Chris. Newport
2B - Travis Beausoleil - N.C. Wesleyan
3B - Eric Harrell - Ferrum
SS - Scott Russell - Methodist
C - Ted Williams - N.C. Wesleyan
Util - Justin Batts - N.C. Wesleyan
OF - Adam Higgins - Averett
        Tyler O'Neill - Greensboro
        Michael Carter - Methodist
P - Chris Toth - Methodist
      Kit Mock - Greensboro
RP - Jonathan Shearon - N.C. Wesleyan
     
Honorable Mention

1B - Ken Kellum - Averett
2B -  Eric Sibrizzi - Averett
3B -  Parker Neal - Chris. Newport
SS - Josh Simons - Shenandoah
C - Jeff Guerrie - Greensboro
Util - Kenly Locklear - Methodist
OF - Scott Lambert - Shenandoah
        Daniel Moore - N.C. Wesleyan
        Mike Giarrizzi - Chris. Newport
P - Ben Hildreth - Averett
      Jordan Dorsett - Greensboro
      Taylor DuFrene - Shenandoah
RP - Josh Simons - Shenandoah    

All-Sportsmanship Team

Justin Brown - Averett
Parker Neal - Chris. Newport
Dustin Howell - Ferrum
Alex Guerra - Greensboro
Scott Russell - Methodist
Daniel Moore - N.C. Wesleyan
Jesse Henry - Shenandoah
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 10:58:04 AM
Methodist is up on Shenandoah 5-3 in the 4th.  Monarchs have 11 hits so far.  Van Sickler is taking the beating right now for SU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 12:59:43 PM
Game 1 in the books:

Score by Innings                    R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
Shenandoah Univ..... 102 000 000 -  3  6  0
Methodist University 311 000 00X -  5 14  4
-------------------------------------------

E - RUSSELL, S.(17); KIVETT, S.(14); PROCTOR, D.(3); HALPIN, B.(9). DP -
Shenandoah 2; Methodist 2. LOB - Shenandoah 6; Methodist 7. 2B -
VANDUSSELOR(5); RUSSELL, S.(6); PROCTOR, D.(6). 3B - RUSSELL, S.(1). HBP -
VERNON. SH - LAMBERT 2(5); DAVIS, B.(7); HALPIN, B.(7). SB - VAN SICKLER(8).
CS - EBERZ(1); TWICHELL, M.(1).


GC and Ferrum are about to kickoff.  Poholsky and Mays on the bump.  (3 of the 4 teams have elected to go with a #2 or #3)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2008, 01:16:47 PM
the two most important statistics for the monarchs from that game:

1- win
2 - landon jordan, 8.1 ip

great start for the monarchs - i imagine bisp will go on friday and toth on saturday (with geisinger available, if needed, for a second game) - kisiah would be available to go long if needed in any game - jordan, i imagine, would be unavailable for more than an inning or so on sunday, but having a starter go 8+ in a day one win is HUGE

i'd be willing to bet that cnu holds moreland back until friday, at least, maybe saturday if they win today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2008, 01:28:35 PM
ferrum has jumped on poholsky early, scoring a run on 3 hits in the top of the first - can mays hold off the gc bats?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2008, 01:16:47 PM
the two most important statistics for the monarchs from that game:

1- win
2 - landon jordan, 8.1 ip

great start for the monarchs - i imagine bisp will go on friday and toth on saturday (with geisinger available, if needed, for a second game) - kisiah would be available to go long if needed in any game - jordan, i imagine, would be unavailable for more than an inning or so on sunday, but having a starter go 8+ in a day one win is HUGE

i'd be willing to bet that cnu holds moreland back until friday, at least, maybe saturday if they win today

After I put that box up I realized there were no pitching stats.  GJ today by Jordan.  I think they will throw Moreland today, he can throw on short rest.

Wesleyan just pulled up at the hotel, they elected to drive to Burlington this morning.  I bet they will face Hildreth first.  I dont think AU has enough pitching to set up a strategy.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
Seems like the stats are hung up...stuck in the 2nd inning.  Does anyone have an update on the Ferrum-GC game?
(back working...Ferrum falls 5-1)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2008, 03:51:00 PM
gc gets an 8 inning performance out of poholsky...looks like he settled down after a rough first giving up just 2 hits over the last 7 ip and striking out 8 total

if moreland goes tonight, i hope he throws about 120 pitches :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 04:25:15 PM
You really think CNU will go with Moreland?  I would think they might start their #3, hope they hit, and go with Moreland vs MU tomorrow.  The theory of Moreland being able to come back on shorter rest later in the week makes sense, though.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 04:32:39 PM
Im sure Moreland pitches tonight. Lord knows I hope its a slaughter rule game and he doesnt throw a ton of pitches.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 04:25:15 PM
You really think CNU will go with Moreland?  I would think they might start their #3, hope they hit, and go with Moreland vs MU tomorrow.  The theory of Moreland being able to come back on shorter rest later in the week makes sense, though.

I was thinking of Blake Rice.  I think Moreland could come back and throw relief saturday or possibly start sunday if he pitched today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 04:48:43 PM
Is that game tracker working for anyone?

It's working now.  Robertson threw a hitless 1st.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 05:07:55 PM
Yeah...it seems to be hanging up at times.  Kind-of fun to follow all the guys I've gotten to see in person this year.  Hope the ODAC does the same next week...I know LC has the livestats application.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 05:34:42 PM
Defense killing the boys from Danville, right now.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 05:49:54 PM
The internet here at the stadium is either very intermitent or just stops altogether. Bare with us guys and gals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 05:58:09 PM
I was thinking it was just a CNU plot to not let the AU and NCWC fans observe the game.

Hildreth gets yanked after 3.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 06:09:42 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 05:49:54 PM
The internet here at the stadium is either very intermitent or just stops altogether. Bare with us guys and gals.
Thanks for the update...and thanks for providing the service for the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 06:14:19 PM
Its more like we dont want all you NCW fans following the game  ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 06:09:42 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 05:49:54 PM
The internet here at the stadium is either very intermitent or just stops altogether. Bare with us guys and gals.
Thanks for the update...and thanks for providing the service for the tournament.

No problem. We love the live stats version that we have at CNU so why not take the opportunity to use it during the tournament, you know?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 06:17:24 PM
Me?  I am unabashedly pulling for CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
Ferrum has live stats as well.  Wish NCWC would buck up for some. 

Rikki are you there?  What is working for Robertson.. he is getting a ton of groundballs
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 06:31:11 PM
Question for NCWC...is Robertson one, with his previous arm ailments, who will be able to come back and pitch later in the tournament...or is his outing a one and done?   If this is "it" for him in the USAS tournament, he's going out in style with a shutout through 5.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 06:31:11 PM
Question for NCWC...is Robertson one, with his previous arm ailments, who will be able to come back and pitch later in the tournament...or is his outing a one and done?   If this is "it" for him in the USAS tournament, he's going out in style with a shutout through 5.

No, I'm pretty sure he is done.  They have enough pitching to finish the tourn. out w/o him having to pitch again.  6-2 now in the top of 7, Loye just took one out w/a runner on.  Whatever happens in this game AU has to be impressed with Mothersheads pitching performance, he threw 2.2 innings all season, he has thrown three in this game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 17, 2008, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
Ferrum has live stats as well.  Wish NCWC would buck up for some. 

Rikki are you there?  What is working for Robertson.. he is getting a ton of groundballs

I am here at the game. Robertson's off-speed stuff is rather filthy. The only bad pitch ive seen him throw is the hanging breaker he threw to Loye for the home run.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 07:47:09 PM
Wesleyan defeats Averett 9-2 behind a CG effort by Sr. Kyle Robertson.  Matt Smith continued his hitting streak and Pecora had a jack.  Justin Batts and Ted "don't call me poptart" williams had a nice day at the plate.  9:30 comes early.  Good luck to both teams tonight.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2008, 08:43:34 PM
All chalk on day one, so far.  Hope it can continue through the final game of the day.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 09:45:39 PM
Dufrene is throwing a real good game against CNU right now, Moreland has 7k's and it looks like CNU may scratch for 1 in the bottom of 5. (they did).  2-1 shenandoah
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2008, 10:00:13 PM
looks like pitching is ruling the day (for the top seeds especially)...nice matchup in the cnu/su game...go hornets :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 10:21:37 PM
CNU is leading 4-2 in the top of 7.  I went to sleep earlier for about an hour and a half and Shenandoah was winning.  I wake up and they start losing.  Harvell keep Moreland in the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2008, 10:46:05 PM
6-2 cnu after 8...you shoulda stayed asleep, ncwc :)

moreland has gone 8...i'll bet he's done, though
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2008, 11:01:33 PM
moreland goes the route (although he got knocked around some in the 9th as su scored 2 runs on 3 hits) and su is the first team sent packing
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 17, 2008, 11:17:00 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2008, 10:46:05 PM
6-2 cnu after 8...you shoulda stayed asleep, ncwc :)

moreland has gone 8...i'll bet he's done, though

I tried to go back to sleep but I got a phone call about some tobacco building burning in greenville.

Hopefully, the solid defense played today by the Bishops will transfer into tomorrow mornings meeting with Kit Mock and the pride.  When Wesleyan faced them earlier in the season we gave up 6 runs, 3 earned.  I think there will be some grunting in the morning ;)










Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 18, 2008, 12:15:10 AM
I highly doubt you will see Kit Mock.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2008, 07:58:40 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 18, 2008, 12:15:10 AM
I highly doubt you will see Kit Mock.
i'd be shocked if they didn't, personally, but i've been wrong before - i think you'll see a mock-moore match up today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 18, 2008, 12:15:10 AM
I highly doubt you will see Kit Mock.

They held him out for the first game, how as a coach can you hold him out for a 2nd game.  I know for sure Ben Moore is on the hill.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 10:53:59 AM
NCWC 6- GC 1 in the top of the 6th.  I heard something about Kit Mock having tendonitis or something along those lines.

D. Moore just went deep in the bottom of 6. 7-1 through 6 complete.  From what the guy on the GC website said, wesleyan has hit a few HR's.

http://www.ustream.tv/gcpride

Rahm gets in on the action with a 2 run blast 9-3 NCWC in the bottom of 7. Williams -back to back with rahm 10-3.


Ferrum is beating Methodist 2-1 in the 7th.

10-7 off a monster jack to center.  2 outs and then a hit batter, an error, a single, and then a 3 run bomb.  I think Ben Moore should have been pulled but I guess if they don't have to use Shearon they can start him.

Its official 11-7 NCWC. Any word on MU and FC?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 18, 2008, 11:56:26 AM
Ferrum up 3-2 in top of 9th.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2008, 11:59:52 AM
ferrum is actually playing averett in an elimination game, however...the monarchs will play cnu at 1 today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2008, 11:59:52 AM
ferrum is actually playing averett in an elimination game, however...the monarchs will play cnu at 1 today

I was thinking Averett but typed Methodist.  Millereilellele v.s. Bispplinghoff?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2008, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 12:16:55 PMMillereilellele v.s. Bispplinghoff?
that would be the matchup i would predict...of course, i've been wrong lots lately on pitching matchups :)

au tied fc in the 9th and they're in extra frames
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2008, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 12:16:55 PMMillereilellele v.s. Bispplinghoff?
that would be the matchup i would predict...of course, i've been wrong lots lately on pitching matchups :)

au tied fc in the 9th and they're in extra frames

Bet you can't guess who is starting for us tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 18, 2008, 12:43:02 PM
Live stats are up and running now for the CNU/Methodist game set to start at 1 pm. Mock is hurt and apparently done for the year, that's why I said I highly doubt you would see him.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 18, 2008, 12:43:02 PM
Live stats are up and running now for the CNU/Methodist game set to start at 1 pm. Mock is hurt and apparently done for the year, that's why I said I highly doubt you would see him.

Thats a shame.  He is a good pitcher.  Hopefully, it will heal and its nothing to serious.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 18, 2008, 12:54:12 PM
Ferrum won 4-3 in 11 innings to knock out Averett.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 01:14:20 PM
Some early inning two out thunder for the Monarchs.  A 2 run double by Eudy.

Narch, where and what did they feed those boys this morning?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 04:20:40 PM
Burn up those relievers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 18, 2008, 04:25:18 PM
CNU trying to comeback in the 9th...9-8 with tying run on 3B and no outs.

With all that complaining by the NCWC crowd over the non-played game between CNU and GC...it looks like NCWC got the better deal in the seeding.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 18, 2008, 04:25:18 PM
CNU trying to comeback in the 9th...9-8 with tying run on 3B and no outs.

With all that complaining by the NCWC crowd over the non-played game between CNU and GC...it looks like NCWC got the better deal in the seeding.

If you would have said that two days ago I would have given you some credit.  Hindsight is 20/20.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 18, 2008, 04:38:30 PM
Yeah...I did not think of it until today.

BTW...I saw where the CNU 3B Neal got replaced in the middle of an inning right after making a play...did he get hurt?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 04:52:03 PM
Baumman , Bisplinghoff, or Geisinger who will it be?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 18, 2008, 04:52:55 PM
11 innings so far, keep on playing boys.  Get tired for the game against us tomorrow.  Sweet. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 05:35:32 PM
Methodist takes down CNU 10-9. Elllllllllllllllllliotttttttttt
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 18, 2008, 08:16:22 PM
Bishops square off against the Monarchs @ 10 tomorrow.  NCWC fortunate to have only used 2 front-end starters so far.  The pen is fresh and ready to go.  Bishops played great baseball yesterday and today.  Beautiful day to watch baseball and we have seen some great games here in Burlington so far--don't expect that to change tomorrow.  MU-CNU game was a fine example of two USAS teams battling until the end.  I hope that game wore MU down some as they have a quick turnaround for the 10 tomorrow.  Both teams will come out fired up.  NCWC's starter for tomorrow has been pitching very well as of late--so hopefully, he can go deep and hold off MU.  NCWC's defense stellar so far--making diving catches all over the field--and the bats are HOT :o !!  Having a large time !!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 18, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 18, 2008, 04:38:30 PM


BTW...I saw where the CNU 3B Neal got replaced in the middle of an inning right after making a play...did he get hurt?

3B rolled his ankle stepping on the bag on a force out play.  He walked off, but was limping badly.  Hopefully nothing too serious--nice play kid to get the out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 18, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Thanks, Wes.  Hate to see anyone miss tourney time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2008, 09:17:24 PM
alex sholar = huge performance...3 hitless innings for the win

should set up a nice shearon vs. bisplinghoff match up on saturday - i'm hoping the monarchs can get a nice 7+ inning performance from bisp and allow geisinger to go on sunday :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2008, 09:29:52 PM
"Monaches defeat Captian in extra innings"

love the headline from d3baseball.com...the captains were the ones that were giving me the "aches" today, though...they just wouldn't go away
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2008, 09:17:24 PM
alex sholar = huge performance...3 hitless innings for the win

should set up a nice shearon vs. bisplinghoff match up on saturday - i'm hoping the monarchs can get a nice 7+ inning performance from bisp and allow geisinger to go on sunday :)

strike 1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 10:14:06 AM
12-2...MU is getting a little more 2 out thunder
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2008, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 18, 2008, 10:55:39 PM
strike 1
i think it's actually about strike 4 or 5 :)

i've been shoveling & moving 15 cubic yards of mulch all around the house today...decide to take a lunch break and check in on the game, only to see the monarchs getting HAMMERED - bisp's line is not pretty, but at least he only pitched 1.1 innings :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 12:52:17 PM
I guess Shearon will not start the next game NCWC plays, he is in the game with a 13-3 lead.  Im guessing Diener will get the ball
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 01:48:28 PM
NCWC 14- Methodist 3.  Pretty sure that puts them in the Championship game.   ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 03:29:19 PM
Ryan McDougal ,DH from CNU, is looking like Marshall Mcdougal. 2-2, 2HR, 7 RBI. In the third vs Ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 08:14:47 PM
CNU busting open a tight game vs MU to go up 7-2 in the 8th.  If they hold on...over/under on the percent chance Moreland's on the bump vs NCWC tomorrow?  I figure 99 percent...but I don't know the pitching depth of CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 08:14:47 PM
CNU busting open a tight game vs MU to go up 7-2 in the 8th.  If they hold on...over/under on the percent chance Moreland's on the bump vs NCWC tomorrow?  I figure 99 percent...but I don't know the pitching depth of CNU.

I'll up the ante to 99.5%. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 09:50:55 PM
Of course, a even BIGGER questions are...
...with the threat of rain on Sunday, can NCWC pack up their championship trophy and go home without playing another game?  Has the USAS made any arrangements to avoid a situation like last year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 10:16:59 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 09:50:55 PM
Of course, a even BIGGER questions are...
...with the threat of rain on Sunday, can NCWC pack up their championship trophy and go home without playing another game?  Has the USAS made any arrangements to avoid a situation like last year?

I don't know they are about 4 hours away from CNU and we are like 2 hours  from Rocky Mount. Is it really worth playing the game(s)? If they kept those boys out of school on Monday it would be a shame.  I mean all this game would amount to is a scrimmage game.  If that happens, what go's around comes around.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
So...NCWC, Catfish, and others...do you think that BOTH NCWC and CNU are now pretty assured of regional berths one way or the other?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 19, 2008, 10:31:42 PM
Breathe NCWC, breathe...

Forecast is chance of shower or thunderstorm, but not an all day affair. (But that's on Accuweather, the same web site that didn't call for rain on your most memorable day of the baseball season.)  Some of our guys helped tarp the field after the game, likely a conspiracy to make sure they play tomorrow, but more a courtesy to the 5-6 man grounds crew.

  NCWC is looking pretty strong having used only 4 pitchers so far and hitting the daylights out of the ball. They'll be awfully tough.

  CNU got a great performance  from Kyle Bauman against Methodist tonight, back from his surgery and seemingly back to form. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 19, 2008, 10:31:42 PM
Breathe NCWC, breathe...

Forecast is chance of shower or thunderstorm, but not an all day affair. (But that's on Accuweather, the same web site that didn't call for rain on your most memorable day of the baseball season.)  Some of our guys helped tarp the field after the game, likely a conspiracy to make sure they play tomorrow, but more a courtesy to the 5-6 man grounds crew.

  NCWC is looking pretty strong having used only 4 pitchers so far and hitting the daylights out of the ball. They'll be awfully tough.

  CNU got a great performance  from Kyle Bauman against Methodist tonight, back from his surgery and seemingly back to form. 

They have bold and italic, I can't find a font for sarcasm yet.  Maybe from now on I will underline my sarcasm.

I saw that Bauman pitched the other night.  I didn't think they would get such a good performance out of him today.  I hope they play that game(s).  CNU is also hitting the daylights out of the baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2008, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
So...NCWC, Catfish, and others...do you think that BOTH NCWC and CNU are now pretty assured of regional berths one way or the other?

I think only the winner (AQ), will make the regionals.  I don't think there will be two teams from the USAS in the regionals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 19, 2008, 11:52:19 PM
Now Im pissed I missed the two games today and will miss the game(s) Sunday as well. Oh well, family functions come first. If it doesnt  rain in Williamsburg I will be on the golf course...sooo....I dont know what to do! I hope the SID's have their cell phones charged!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 20, 2008, 11:17:42 AM
a tournament that started with such promise for the monarchs ended in a most difficult way - they got the matchup i wanted them to get (cnu), but not the result - good luck to both teams today, but i've gotta think that the bishops have the upper hand with the way their pitching sets up - they just always seem to have such a deep staff and it's a tremendous advantage in tournament play

the only way the monarchs have an even OUTSIDE shot at a regional bid is to go 4-0 vs. bsc and piedmont, but i think that's a long shot, at best - after the drubbing by ncwc, i was hoping the monarchs could salvage at least a 4-2 tournament (if not a tournament victory) to bolster their regional credentials

personally, i agree with ncwc that the usasac is probably a one-team regional conference this year...i think the monarchs credentials are more impressive than the captains credentials, and i don't think the monarchs have much of a shot
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 11:34:41 AM
Assuming CNU does not win both games today, they can certainly help their case with 3 quality wins NEXT week...as they have UMW, York, and Salisbury on tap to finish the season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
Moreland is not starting game 1 today.  Anyway you look at it, they are the longshot against NCWC today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 12:19:21 PM
Berry, 2-1 in 3 appearances, on the bump for CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 20, 2008, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 19, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
So...NCWC, Catfish, and others...do you think that BOTH NCWC and CNU are now pretty assured of regional berths one way or the other?

I think it greatly improves the chances for both teams.  they proved they were the best teams during the regular season and the tourney.  It would be a shame if both teams were not in regionals this year no matter who wins the final game.
But I think if NCWC wins the final game then CNU truely should deserve a bid. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 20, 2008, 02:55:57 PM
Championship game goes extra innings.  Both Alex Owen and Eric Cole for CNU have been throw out of the game for arguing calls with umps late in the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 03:23:39 PM
I wondered why those two came out of the game.  Not the time to pick an argument with the umpire.

What a crazy way to end the game -- hbp forces in the 4th run for CNU.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 03:24:54 PM
WHOLE
LEE
KRAPP....

...going to the "if" game...and CNU should have Moreland ready to go on short rest.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 03:26:23 PM
I was going to say "Holy Moly" but Hole  Lee Krapp will do!

Diener pitches an exceptional game and CNU's three pitchers do a great job against a scary NCW lineup.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 04:38:57 PM
Since it appears to be raining buckets down there...
...I assume they will just call the tourney and crown CNU champs, since they did win the regular season.  After all...it would be the only right thing to do.
(sarcasm off)  ::)

And BTW...just clicked on this...very very cool:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/usa-south-athletic-conference

Would be great if the ODAC does something like that this week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 20, 2008, 05:31:33 PM
Whats the deal with the players that were ejected?  Do they sit a game or do they play?  It would be typical for a CNU official to talk the directors into doing such a thing.  I really dont think it will matter if Moreland pitches or not.  CNU has nowhere to go but down, and half of that NCWC team has been in this situation before a couple years ago in the regional.  I would save your breath for after the next game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 06:12:27 PM
Umpires need to develop thicker skin for championship games.  BS to eject players on clearly close and hotly contested plays.  That's just a big ego who wants to insert himself into a close game.

I don't think any favors are coming CNUs way.  Don't know where you get that impression.




Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 06:22:55 PM
Lineups for game 2 are posted.  And guess what NCWC?

The ejected players are not in the lineup.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 20, 2008, 06:42:40 PM
Conference rules I believe state you have to sit the very next game after you've been ejected. Good start for the Captains as Despins stakes Kenny to a 2-0 lead.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 06:51:36 PM
Yes, every ejection comes with a big price.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
CNU tacks on another to make it 3-0.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: JAF on April 20, 2008, 08:40:05 PM
12 - 0 CNU thru 7-1/2

K-MO  is tossing a gem.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 20, 2008, 08:44:23 PM
Guess its not too early to congratulate the Captains.  They played a great tournament and the conference did a nice job with the live stats and video stream. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 20, 2008, 08:51:33 PM
Kenny's done, 7 2/3 innings, 2 runs on five hits, no walks and 7 strikeouts. Not a bad line going on two days rest. Baring a collapse, he should improve to 11-0 on the year with a 102 strikeouts in 93.2 innings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: JAF on April 20, 2008, 09:17:57 PM
Congrats coach Harvell & the CNU Captains


USA SOUTH 2008 CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2008, 09:27:43 PM
Absolutely!  Top notch coaching today, top notch performances.  Congratulations to the Captains. Players really stepped it up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2008, 07:57:53 AM
great job captains...moreland is a complete beaststud :)

just one little bone to pick - the monarchs go 2-2 in the tournament and get nobody on the all-tournament team, yet gc goes 1-2 and gets 2 - i won't argue the of that made it...he had a great weekend at .583, 2hr, 6 rbi...but poholsky gets the second pitcher slot after an 8 inning, 5 h, 1er performance against a team that went 10-21 on the season (and 2-10 in conference) while a guy like jordan (8.1 ip, 5h, 1 er vs. su [17-20/5-7]) or baumann (8 ip, 5 hr, 2 er vs. mu [25-14-1/7-5]) or, to a lesser degree, robertson (9 ip, 7 h, 2 er vs. au [14-22/2-10]) get left off - it's a shame for any of those guys, but i think baumann and jordan had much better and more important performances for their teams than did poholsky
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 21, 2008, 09:00:29 AM
Well I guess the Bishops better start hoping for that at large bid.  Good luck coach Long. 
Congrats to the Captians. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 21, 2008, 09:13:31 AM
NCWC,

  Truce on the rain stuff, which is academic now anyway, but it looked for a while like the weatherman missed it again as the rain fell. Field crew knew their field and got it ready and wet conditions weren't an issue.

  Oddly enough, CNU's bullpen came through big time, especially  after the 14 walk affair against Methodist in game 2. Lots of pitching heroes came out of the pen and did their job time and time again in  the final four games.

  Lots of good hitting, and some very timely hitting won the title game, together with a pitcher named Moreland.  3 subs started for the two ejected guys and the injured 3B, and all; three came up big at the plate and in the field. The backup 3B, David Fennesey, played great and actually made the all tournament team. Shane Kersey at second base made some Alex Owen- like plays, and had two hits, and Joey Martin, who actually has started quite a few games in  the outfield, did everything he needed to do when it was needed-sac bunts, hits, nice defense.

  I sincerely hope NCWC gets a bid-they're clearly a top notch squad deserving of a bid. Oddly, but kind of neat, many CNU and NCWC players are friends and when they play, lots of friendly "how the heck are ya's"  are going on while the teams fight it out.  Some great kids on that team and it's nice to see the genuine friendships between such big rivals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 21, 2008, 09:16:12 AM
Looks like NCWC is going to be pulling for the Hornets this week  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 21, 2008, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 21, 2008, 09:16:12 AM
Looks like NCWC is going to be pulling for the Hornets this week  ;D

I am the biggest Hornet fan this weekend.  Go Hornets. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 22, 2008, 02:46:59 PM
I feel like last weekend was like watching the Yankees lose to Red Sox when they were up three games a couple years back. Congratulations to CNU.  Now that CNU won the tournament  I think NCWC should get an at large.  Besides records and the fact they lost two in a row, the people who pick the teams shouldn't let Pecora and Smith go out with that sour of a taste in their mouth.  Those guys if any are deserving of that at-large.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 22, 2008, 03:20:17 PM
BTW...CNU checks in at #26 in the Coaches' Poll this week:
http://www.muhlberg.edu/sports/abcapoll42208.pdf

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 22, 2008, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 22, 2008, 03:20:17 PM
BTW...CNU checks in at #26 in the Coaches' Poll this week:
http://www.muhlberg.edu/sports/abcapoll42208.pdf




They should be higher now that there is a clear cut conference reg. season and tourn. champ.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2008, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 22, 2008, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 22, 2008, 03:20:17 PM
BTW...CNU checks in at #26 in the Coaches' Poll this week:
http://www.muhlberg.edu/sports/abcapoll42208.pdf
They should be higher now that there is a clear cut conference reg. season and tourn. champ.
I think that CNU will benefit from the rest of the country "shaking out".  The northern schools have only started to get into the conference games where they pick up "ugly losses".

The Regional Rankings have not appeared, which will serve as one other source of information among "thinking fans".

One other thought to convey how exclusive the Top 25.

D-I FBS Football has a Top 25 for about 120 schools.

The Top 25 in NCBWA/D3Baseball.com has 25 teams for 360 schools and for about 35 AQ conferences.  Every conference champion is not even getting Top 25 votes!  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 22, 2008, 04:39:14 PM
Check Ralph out drinking the NCAA Kool-Aid by using the "FBS" terminology for what we all know is I-A vs I-AA :)
(I kid.  I kid.)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2008, 09:17:24 PM
something i just realized today...tom austin is sitting on 899 career wins...sure would have been nice to get 900 (and 901 & 902) at the usasac tournament, but he's got a chance to get it on wednesday in birmingham - good luck, coach!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 06:02:26 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 22, 2008, 04:39:14 PM
Check Ralph out drinking the NCAA Kool-Aid by using the "FBS" terminology for what we all know is I-A vs I-AA :)
(I kid.  I kid.)
:D :D

I know!

My friend reminds me that the "F" stands for Football, and there is no "n" in football!   :D  ;)

More precisely, Football Bowl Subdivision!   ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 23, 2008, 06:59:37 PM
I work for a I-AA school and I think the new terminology is ludicrous....all b/c some of the I-AA schools felt that they were "less than a real D-I school." 
(I am not a very PC person and have little use for it)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 23, 2008, 09:00:38 PM
coach austin gets career victory #900...that's a HUGE milestone - congrats, coach!

unfortunately, it came in a monarch split with birmingham southern that dropped the monarchs to 26-15-1 - i think any hope of a pool c bid for the monarchs hinged on a 4-0 finish, and well, that's not possible now

900 victories and a career .706 winning percentage in one of the toughest conferences in the country and playing one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country year in, year out is quite a feat no matter how you slice it
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 23, 2008, 09:29:51 PM
Very impressive resume...and I'm amazed a D1 school hasn't snatched him up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 24, 2008, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: A.G. on April 23, 2008, 09:29:51 PM
Very impressive resume...and I'm amazed a D1 school hasn't snatched him up.
During my playing days their were always some rumors about him gonig to some smaller D1 schools in carolina but never knew if he actually interviewed with anyone.  But at this point I would think he is a Methodist lifer. 
Congrats to Coach Austin. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 25, 2008, 08:56:55 AM
Congratulations on #900 to Tom.  God knows he has put in the time and effort.  I wonder how many of his wins came from conference games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on April 27, 2008, 10:07:28 PM
Id like to congratulate Coach Austin on his milestone win!

Id also like to congratulate Kenny Moreland on getting his jersey retired today before the start of the Captains doubleheader with York (PA). After the ceremony, he then went out and threw a 1-hitter in a complete-game 7 inning performance which the Captains won, 6-0. He struck out nine to pick up his 12th win of the year, which set a new school record for wins in a season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: averetthomer on April 28, 2008, 09:09:28 PM
Hey guys I'm new to the board and have a few questions regarding several USA South teams. Obviously CNU is going to the NCAA tournament. What are the chances of NC Wesleyan, Greensboro College, and Methodist of getting an at-large bid? It looks like Greensboro is now 24-9 in the south region. Rumor mill has them playing 3 games at home against Rhodes College from Memphis. If the Pride can somehow win all 3 games, that would put them at 27-9 in the region. Anybody think they'll get an at-large?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 28, 2008, 11:41:36 PM
averetthomer,

No they will not get in. NCWC and Methodist will get in before them

GC is number four out of the USA South. In region record is good, but strength of schedule is pretty weak. Only eight wins against teams with 20 plus wins (SU 2, BC, LC, MU, NCWC, Huntington, Montclair State).

They seemed to beat up on the bottom teams in the ODAC (HSC , Guilford , Emory and Henry, Roanoke) Beat each of these teams twice.

York is way down this year, and Lake Erie is always down. 2 Loses to BSC who is under .500.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: averetthomer on April 29, 2008, 12:29:40 PM
Thanks for the input Falcon. I just don't really understand why Methodist is a lock to get in before GC. Methodist is now 26-15-1 overall while GC is 25-14. MC is scheduled to play two games with Piedmont while GC is supposedly playing 2 or 3 against Rhodes. If MC gets swept and GC sweeps, do things change a little bit or not? I'm just a fan of the game who is trying to learn more about the playoffs. Plus, my Cougars are waiting until next year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 29, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: averetthomer on April 29, 2008, 12:29:40 PM
Thanks for the input Falcon. I just don't really understand why Methodist is a lock to get in before GC. Methodist is now 26-15-1 overall while GC is 25-14.
both teams have similar regional records (mu is 21-13-1 in region), but there is a pretty pronounced disparity in schedule strength - some of that is no fault of gc's...york went into a huge downward spiral this year, but roanoke and ehc have been terrible for a long time - it's ok to schedule those games, but when a team does this, they know that it will bite them come time to make a case for regionals - since i've been following mu baseball, they've always played a very strong regional schedule, and more often than not, the committee has rewarded them

to see what i'm talking about in action, take the 6 games that gc played against roanoke (15-21), ehc (7-32) and york (12-26) (combined winning % is .301) and replace them with these 6 games: 2 x lynchburg (30-11), 2 x cnu (28-12), vwc (26-14-1) and emory (25-11-1) (combined winning % is .696) - the rest of the schedule is very similar (in fact, almost identical) - mu is also playing a piedmont team that is currently 33-10 while gc is apparently playing a rhodes team that is currently 27-13

frankly, i don't think EITHER team has much of a shot, regardless of outcome in the remaining games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 29, 2008, 01:52:52 PM
If GC sweeps and MU gets swept of course Greensboro will have a better shot to get in (still a long-shot).

MU has solid wins over Bridgewater, Lynchburg, VWC, 2 against ODAC Champs RM-C, LaGrange, Huntington, 2 against CNU and SU.

I think the tie to Emory will come back to haunt them.  If they swept Piedmont, maybe their in.  I think they will be the last team left out.

CNU is in, NCWC is in the driver's seat.  Sweep Mary Washington and their in.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 29, 2008, 04:43:17 PM
MU also has two losses against Lynchburg....and even though I feel pretty good about LC's chances, if it came down to LC or MU, one would think the head-to-head record would be the tie breaker.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 29, 2008, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 29, 2008, 04:43:17 PM
MU also has two losses against Lynchburg....and even though I feel pretty good about LC's chances, if it came down to LC or MU, one would think the head-to-head record would be the tie breaker.
i don't think you have to worry about that...the hornets have a much stronger resume at this point than the monarchs do
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 30, 2008, 07:58:52 AM
I agree, Narch, but I wanted to rebut the witness.  What I find interesting is all these "bubble" teams (Rhodes comes to mind) who all of a sudden are finding games after their seasons have technically ended.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 30, 2008, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: A.G. on April 30, 2008, 07:58:52 AM
I agree, Narch, but I wanted to rebut the witness.  What I find interesting is all these "bubble" teams (Rhodes comes to mind) who all of a sudden are finding games after their seasons have technically ended.
technically their season hasn't ended until they've played the maximum number of games allowed by the ncaa - this is a fairly common practice in my experience
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 30, 2008, 03:23:51 PM
Well, heck...if that's the way the rules allow...I can certainly understand it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 04, 2008, 01:08:44 PM
Good luck to NCWC today...
...I would love for them to sneak in to Danville.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on May 05, 2008, 10:44:05 AM
NCWC spilt with Mary Wash.  Leaves us with a record of 28-14-1.  Hope that is enough to get in regionals. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 05, 2008, 10:42:31 PM
the monarchs brought their sticks tonight, pounding out 12 hits and scoring 7 runs in a 7-3 win over piedmont - toth struck out 11 in 6.2 ip - mu improves to 27-15-1...one more game on tuesday...any faint hope the monarchs have at a regional bid hinges on a win

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0505.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2008, 08:02:51 AM
here is a good piece (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=293258) from the fayetteville observer on tom austin and his career...i'm hoping he can end the regular season at 902 wins - go monarchs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on May 06, 2008, 09:02:09 AM
Really nice article on Coach Austin. Super nice guy from the times I've spoken with him and obviously an outstanding coach who's got a lot more wins left in him. I just hope they don't come against the Bishops.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2008, 04:52:56 PM
the monarchs are up 7-6 after 7...bisp got knocked around pretty good and mu was down 6-0 after 2.5...geisinger came on to shut piedmont down and mu scored 2 in the bottom of the third and then put up a 5 spot in the bottom of the sixth - hopefully the monarchs can hold on for 2 more innings
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2008, 09:11:42 PM
mu powered their way to a 16-6 victory today with 9 runs in the bottom of the 8th (led by a 3 run shot by proctor) - geisinger really pitched well in relief, giving up just 3 hits, 2 walks and 0 runs in 6.1 ip - mu finishes the season at 28-15-1 and gives the committee something to think about with a convincing sweep of the #2 ranked team in the region - the birmingham southern loss may come back to bite the monarchs, but that loss and the extra innings loss to guilford early are the only two "bad" losses this team had (i don't consider any loss to a conference foe a "bad" loss)

consider this about the monarchs...they were 6-7-1 vs. regionally ranked teams this season and they were 7-5-1 against teams that most consider a "lock" for the south regional (rmc, piedmont, lynchburg, emory and cnu)...that's a lot of games against top notch competition, not to mention the rigors of going through the usasac

the monarchs final regional record is 23-13-1 (.635) vs. opponents that had a .558 winning percentage...not bad, but i'm afraid, not good enough - great season boys...and i hope you play a few more

mu/pc box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/baseball/2008%20Stats/mub0506.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on May 08, 2008, 11:33:52 AM
NARCH :    Two big wins for MU  and conference USAC but who do you think would get the regional bid if USAC gets two teams in? (MU or NCWC)   You seem to be knowledgeable about how the selection process is done.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 08, 2008, 03:38:53 PM
Methodist up to 6 in the newest rankings:
1    Salisbury    38-2    34-2
2    Lynchburg    30-11    24-8
3    Piedmont    33-12    31-12
4    Emory    25-11-1    23-9-1
5    Christopher Newport    28-12    21-11
6    Methodist    28-15-1    22-12-1

http://www.ncaa.com/baseball/default.aspx?id=212508

I think MU has to be hoping the committee decides to send a Mid-Atlantic team like Hopkins down south, and along with R-MC (ODAC winner) make it an 8-team affair.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on May 08, 2008, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: A.G. on May 08, 2008, 03:38:53 PM
Methodist up to 6 in the newest rankings:
1    Salisbury    38-2    34-2
2    Lynchburg    30-11    24-8
3    Piedmont    33-12    31-12
4    Emory    25-11-1    23-9-1
5    Christopher Newport    28-12    21-11
6    Methodist    28-15-1    22-12-1

http://www.ncaa.com/baseball/default.aspx?id=212508

I think MU has to be hoping the committee decides to send a Mid-Atlantic team like Hopkins down south, and along with R-MC (ODAC winner) make it an 8-team affair.

How does Methodist have the heads up on NCWC?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 08, 2008, 06:08:07 PM
I wondered the same thing. ???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 08, 2008, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 08, 2008, 05:09:44 PM
How does Methodist have the heads up on NCWC?
i'd be willing to bet it's strenght of schedule, since both have similar regional records - i've got mu at 23-13-1 and ncwc at 23-12-1 in region, but i've got mu's owp at .558 and ncwc's owp at .538...that's a significant difference - the ncaa has a tradition of rewarding teams that schedule strong...when you schedule 3 games against emu (10-30), 2 against capital (10-26-1) and then a historically strong team like york drops off significantly (14-27), you run the risk of having it bite you on the back-side during the regional ranking process - additionally, mu is 5-5-1 vs. teams that are ranked ahead of them (pc, lc, emory and cnu) while ncwc is just 3-5 against pc, lc and cnu (they didn't play emory) - that being said, i bet there isn't much space between the monarchs and bishops in these rankings...maybe the proverbial hair - here is a reminder of the criteria used to rank:

These are the primary criteria that are used to rank the Pool C teams:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality of Wins Index: only contests versus regional competition - i'm about 95% certain this has been replaced by owp and oowp
• In- region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
• Conference post-season contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on May 09, 2008, 12:07:13 PM
What about NCWC taking two of three from Methodist, and Methodist finishing 4th in the conference?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 09, 2008, 02:20:35 PM
In-region games are just as important as conference games.  The committee does not see a difference in playing conference games and in-region games. Each game is worth the same.

Methodist has several solid non-conference wins including LaGrange, Huntington, VWC, 2 against Piedmont, Bridgewater, Lynchburg, and 2 against R-Macon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on May 09, 2008, 02:35:40 PM
That is the problem. Conference does not matter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 09, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
You can't determine a regional berth based on 12 conference games.  Every region game is important.

They use the same system for every region throughout the country.  Some conferences are weaker top to bottom than other conferences so in-region games are important.

I don't think Methodist or Wesleyan will get in.  I think they both should get because the USA South is so strong.

I think this year has proved that NCWC is better than Methodist.  Methodist has proved it is better than Piedmont.


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on May 09, 2008, 03:41:36 PM
I agree Falcon, but when two teams from the same conference are so close with regards to regional rankings you would think that how they performed in conference would be the tie breaker.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 09, 2008, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: Wood on May 09, 2008, 03:41:36 PM
I agree Falcon, but when two teams from the same conference are so close with regards to regional rankings you would think that how they performed in conference would be the tie breaker.
but some would argue that a .558 owp isn't really that close to a .538 owp and there isn't a tie...

conference games are all regional games, so they count...they just don't count any more than the games against piedmont, lynchburg, emory or eastern mennonite -  as falcon mentions, giving more weight to conference games would shift more bids to solid teams in weak conferences - in all, i think that the 35+ regional games are a much stronger indication of overall strength than 12 conference games in the grand picture of the ncaa tournament and regional rankings

i'm not as willing to say that ncwc is better than mu...there was really one game that separated the two teams in conference standings (if mu had swept ncwc during the regular season, both teams would have finished 8-4 in usasac play) - when you look at common ooc opponents (piedmont, lynchburg, lagrange, vwc, hsc, bc, vwc, capital), you'll find that mu was 9-3 (.750) and ncwc was 6-6-1 (.500) - i'm not prepared to say mu is better than ncwc, but i'm not prepared to say that the bishops are better than the monarchs, either

and, once again, i don't think either team gets a bid...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on May 09, 2008, 06:16:48 PM
We definitely need an 8 team regional.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: NCWC on May 09, 2008, 06:16:48 PM
We definitely need an 8 team regional.
Hello NCWC.

I want to make sure that we are talking about the same thing.  I will assume that you have been involved with NCWC since "way back before the pool system" and there was a regional character to the playoffs.

An eight team regional will not make a difference whether NCWC or MU gets a bid.  The 14 Pool C bids are determined nationally by the selection committee comparing the next best team from each of the 8 regions.  The committee will then bracket the 54 seeds into 6-team and 8-team brackets by geographic proximity.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on May 09, 2008, 09:54:38 PM
Narch in terms of winning % what about  a in conference MU at 9-7 .562 vs NCWC at 12-5 .705 Don't you think most teams play their best teams for conference games. Also teams that feel they are secure in regional playoffs may not play as intense after conference tournaments. All I am saying is that two teams from the same conference that are ranked by regional criteria back to back , that the rankings   should not allow a 4th place team to jump a 2nd place team from the same conference.                   
( I agree that Mu and NCWC will not make the regionals)
PS I hope anything that I said has not been taken the wrong way. I have enjoyed learning how all this stuff works and you seem to know your stuff.  Maybe the reginal folks will let our teams fight it out again on the field)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on May 09, 2008, 10:02:40 PM
PS They could send salisbury to the mid-atlantic, just food for thought.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 09, 2008, 11:38:50 PM
Wood,

You are arguing to change the way they rank teams by placing more of an emphasis on conference games.  Bad for you and Wesleyan, the Committee does not agree with your position.

Narch is pointing out the reason Methodist is ahead of NCWC because of strength of schedule.  You both seem to be talking about different things.

Most teams naturally are more fired up to play conference games against rivals.  Most teams save their best pitching for conference games. 

When the USA South went to a 12 game conference season as opposed to 18, they did this so they could perform better in non-conference games.  The USA South was beating each other up.  This resulted in no at-large bids. 

In 2006, the ODAC beat up on the USA South.  The last two years the USA South has beat up on the ODAC.  This change of format has placed a greater emphasis on winning non-conference and in-region games. 

They changed the format because the coaches and the conference realized that in-region games are worth the same as conference games.  They may not feel the same but they are.  Beating HSC is the same as beating Averett.  Losing to HSC is the same as losing to Averett in the grand scheme of things.

You always have to play with intensity.  You can't assume your in the tournament.  The only way you are assured in, is if you have the AQ and win your conference tournament.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2008, 12:42:44 AM
As I look at the Pool C teams around the country, the won-loss percentage seems to  be about .700

In the Mideast, #1 Heidelberg is fighting for its life in the OAC versus Marietta.

#2 Wooster (NCAC) is Pool C.

#4 Calvin took it away from #3 Adrian on the last day in the MIAA.  Adrian is a strong Pool C candidate.

I can see 3 Pool C bids going to the Mideast.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 10, 2008, 09:47:41 AM
Quote from: Wood on May 09, 2008, 09:54:38 PM
Narch in terms of winning % what about  a in conference MU at 9-7 .562 vs NCWC at 12-5 .705
versus common opponents (lynchburg, lagrange, capital, vwc, piedmont, bridgewater, hsc and conference teams) mu has a .667 winning % (16-8) to a .611 winning % (16-10-1) for ncwc...for every number you produce which shows that ncwc is better, i can produce a number that shows mu is better - why is that you ask...because i don't know that there is a pronounced difference between the two teams and it all depends on the angle you are approaching this from - both teams were very good, but not great this year

it might help if you think about it this way...conference games do little more than determine a conference regular season champion (cnu) and seeding for the conference tournament...on a national level, conference games count no more or less than any other regional game

Quote from: Wood on May 09, 2008, 09:54:38 PMPS I hope anything that I said has not been taken the wrong way. I have enjoyed learning how all this stuff works and you seem to know your stuff.
absolutely nothing you or any other ncwc fan has said regarding this topic has offended...it takes a lot to offend me :) - i started this process much like you, and through asking the type of questions you're asking, i've come to understand the criteria much better (although i'm no ralph turner)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on May 10, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
Thanks Narch. The last statement you said  is what confused me.At the beginning of my Questions I was told that conference games made more of a difference but the reality  is that winning the conf tour is the only thing matters more. That is what looks so odd to new fans and players who Dont understand how it all works.
HOW TO BE RANKED IN REGION:
(WIN REGIONAL GAMES, GET LUCKY YOUR OPPONENT HAS A GOOD YEAR FOR QUALITY WINS, HOPE A TEAM DOES NOT CANCEL IMPORTANT GAMES WITH YOU & DONT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU SWEEP A TEAM IN CONFERENCE IT IS ALL ABOUT WHICH TEAM WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET A FEW EXTRA GAMES IN THAT ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS CONFERENCE VICTORYS.
ps you were not the person that told me that conf count more.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 10, 2008, 12:42:36 PM
wood - i think you're devaluing conference games a little to the extreme...beating quality regional opponents (which means all usasac teams) is important...saying "don't worry so much about a conference championship" implies that winning conference games aren't as important as other regional games, which is not the case - in most seasons, wins against ANY usasac team would be huge...ferrum and averett being a bit down this year hurt all of the usasac teams in terms of owp - winning a conference championship also means a higher seed in the conference tournament, which in theory should improve your chances to win the tournament and take all the guesswork out
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 10, 2008, 03:15:11 PM
I thought one of the reasons the USAS cut back to 2-game series in conference, was to allow the teams to beef up the regional record.  If the ODAC (top to bottom) is looked at with less regard than the USAS, would it not make since to beef up the strength of schedule by going back to the 3-games series?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 10, 2008, 03:52:53 PM
Good points, narch!

1)  Win the conference AQ.  If that means getting the top seed by winning the regular, then good. If that means getting to host, as we do in the ASC in every other year, better.  Winning the regular season is always great.

2)  Does playing the ODAC schools give you enough "in-region" OWP/OOWP boost?

I am very impressed with the way the McMurry coach Lee Driggers schedules his games.  The ASC-West plays 3-games series amongst the 8 teams (3 times 7 = 21.)   The ASC mandates two 3-game crossover (Inter-divisional) series (6 games, up to 27).   He scheduled mid-week games with Trinity, Southwestern (2), and Austin College from the SCAC.  (Another 4 games, make that 31 so far.)  This year, he got 3 games with Chapman and 3 games with GFU.  He always tries to get series with quality west coast teams.  (That is 6 more, bringing the total to 37.)   He added a game with UT-Tyler, a game with Marietta who comes to Texas for its spring trip and one last mid-week game versus NAIA Wayland Baptist.  Coach Driggers had 38 in-region games by working for it!

In-region games work for you when you can bring teams from Administrative Region #3 (OAC, NCAC, MIAA, HCAC) south early in the season when they may not feel that you have too much of a head start on them.  If you don't think that ODAC gives you a boost, find other teams.  The SCAC schools need games. In fact, playing more games versus GSAC schools might help boost your OWP.

:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on May 11, 2008, 02:15:13 AM
narch, how much free time do u have on your hands? i think you need something else to do besides researching methodist baseball statistics. its amazing how much time you dedicate here.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 11, 2008, 10:26:21 AM
HighHeat,

It looks like you have a lot of free time on your hands posting at 2:15 in the morning.  Maybe, you have more time on your hands with Virginia Wesleyan's season over.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 11, 2008, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: HighHeat on May 11, 2008, 02:15:13 AM
narch, how much free time do u have on your hands? i think you need something else to do besides researching methodist baseball statistics. its amazing how much time you dedicate here.
believe it or not, it doesn't take much time to do the research i've done...there is this great site called d3baseball.com that has w/l records for almost every team in the country - no need to worry about my free time...i find pretty interesting ways to fill it, but thanks for your concern :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on May 11, 2008, 07:42:30 PM
Explain the difference between pool b and pool c bids. ( Simple terms)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 11, 2008, 07:46:35 PM
Pool B teams are those from leagues that do not meet the qualification for automatic (Pool A) bids.  In the south, this includes teams like Salisbury, Emory, and Piedmont.

IF...a team is NOT selected for one of the Pool B bids, then they get dropped down into Pool C consideration (the true at-large bids).  Pool C consideration also includes teams that did not win their league's pool A bid (like Lynchburg).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 07:55:18 PM
Quote from: Wood on May 11, 2008, 07:42:30 PM
Explain the difference between pool b and pool c bids. ( Simple terms)

FAQ (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament)

The NCAA has budgeted one playoff bid for every 6.5 schools fielding a baseball team.


That works out to 54 teams.  In all team sports, the NCAA awards a Pool A bid to each conference in which there are 7 schools competing.  the conference can allocate the bid however it wishes.  (The USA South has a tournament.  The Northwest Conference, the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference and the Michigan IAA do not.)

The conference "winner" gets a Pool A bid, one of 34.

Pool B is comprised of those schools that do not have 7 full members or in the transition to having 7 full members.  The Capital AC (Salisbury) is headed towards 7 members, but do not at this time.  Piedmont (GSAC with 4 members), UAA with 5 participants, Landmark Conference with 8 members and the Northern Athletics Conference with 12 members but have not been in existence for 2 years are also Pool B.  Independents Chapman, Cal State East Bay also compete for the 6 Pool B bids.  (The number "6" is determined by the number of schools in the Pool A conferences divided by 34 to give the "access ratio".  The access ratio takes all of the non-Pool A schools and gives the number of Pool B bids available.)

Everyone else that does not get a Pool A or a Pool B bid is trying for the 14 Pool C "do-over" bids.  :)

Just like AG said!   ;)   :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 13, 2008, 02:06:10 PM
congrats to monarch scott russell for being named to the academic all-district team (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/academic051308.htm) - great job, scott
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 19, 2008, 02:40:56 PM
Well gang...
...its been a blast talking baseball with you guys.  Seems I am mostly all alone in the ODAC thread, so thanks for making me welcome in here.  Hopefully, I can meet some of you when LC comes south again, next year.

Good luck to all the guys playing summer ball.  See ya next fall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on May 19, 2008, 05:36:35 PM
It was nice seeing Lynchburg College play in Danville.  Even better watching them dance....

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 19, 2008, 05:53:00 PM
That was pretty funny.  In case no one has seen it...here is a link:
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/05/17/video-how-to-survive-a-rain-delay/

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on May 20, 2008, 07:18:51 PM
Congratulations to Kenny Moreland...D3baseball.com Pitcher of the Year!
...(and to Trey Bailey for 2nd team D3baseball.com All-American)...
...(and to Matt Smith for HM)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 29, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
USA South Players in the CPL

Justin Batts, NCWC- Asheboro
Landon Jordan, Methodist- Edenton
Luke Williford, NCWC- Edenton
Ben Moore, NCWC- Fayetteville
Trae Bailey, CNU- Peninsula
Kevin Mooreland, CNU- Peninsula

Best of Luck to all these Players as well as all other D3 players!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 30, 2008, 09:10:09 PM
USA South Players in the Valley League

Jonathon Wilson, Ferrum
Scott Lambert, SU
Scott Van Dusseldorp, SU
Jesse Henry, SU
Parker Neal, CNU
Ben Hildreth, AU



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on June 07, 2008, 12:39:40 AM
Congrats to Kenny Moreland for signing with the Orioles!

I hope Pecora and Smith also get an opportunity to sign.
Title: SU Assistant resigns
Post by: D-BAT on June 10, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
WINCHESTER, Va. - Shenandoah University Head Baseball Coach Kevin Anderson announced Monday that assistant coach Kirk Renegar has resigned.

Renegar has been with the program for the past four years, including the past two as Anderson's full-time assistant and recruiting coordinator.

The Stuart, Virginia native, who earned his Master's Degree at Shenandoah in 2006, is leaving to become the head baseball coach at Hardin Valley Academy in Knoxville, Tennessee.

"Kirk has done a great job for me the past five years in helping me and the rest of the staff get this program back on its feet," Anderson said.

"He has been a tireless recruiter, has done a super job with our kids off the field mentoring them academically and was a first-rate on-field coach.

"I am sure he is going to do a great job with his high school position."

Renegar, who arrived just after Anderson completed his first season in Winchester, helped the Hornets to 95 wins in the past four seasons. The roster increased in size from 18 to more than 50 and the team GPA improved by more than one full-point.

This past year, a program-record 16 members of the team earned USA South Conference Academic All-Conference honors.

"I really appreciate the opportunity that Kevin and Shenandoah University gave me," Renegar said. "I will have nothing but fond memories of my time here and I wish everybody in the department all the success in the future."

Anderson stated that he, along with Athletics Director John Hill, will conduct a national search for Renegar's replacement.

"I have a couple of people that I have already spoken to about the position," Anderson commented. "I would like to have someone in place in the next month or so. This is an important time for us recruiting-wise."



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on July 03, 2008, 11:07:47 AM
Pecora signs with a indy team in the Frontier League

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/2007-08/news/peco_gateway.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 03, 2008, 05:05:12 PM
Moreland wins another award. Go to cnusports.com (http://cnusports.com) to read about it. Now, if he can just win his first pro game!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on July 04, 2008, 09:06:09 AM
Wish Granted!   ;D    Moreland wins, throwing 6 innings, 3 hits 8 K's, no walks.  Good article and picture  in the Bluefield Daily Telegraph.      www.bdtonline.com   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on July 09, 2008, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on July 03, 2008, 11:07:47 AM
Pecora signs with a indy team in the Frontier League

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/2007-08/news/peco_gateway.htm

Congrats to Peco...now if Matt Smith can only get a shot somewhere.
Title: Former WVU assistant coming to Shenandoah University ?
Post by: coachmilburn on July 21, 2008, 05:53:23 PM
Cameron likely leaving WVU coaching staff
http://www.da.wvu.edu/show_article.php?&story_id=36478&archive_date=2008-07-09 (http://www.da.wvu.edu/show_article.php?&story_id=36478&archive_date=2008-07-09)


A veteran assistant coach for the West Virginia University baseball team will likely be leaving WVU to take a similar position at Shenandoah University – a small Division III school located in Winchester, Va.

In a phone interview on Tuesday, Shenandoah assistant athletic director Scott Musa said that 12-year Mountaineer assistant coach Bruce Cameron has been offered the vacant position and is expecting to be announcing his decision shortly, although Musa failed to mention Cameron's name in the conversation.

The WVU sports communications office has yet to receive word of Cameron's resignation.

"The contract has been offered, and we're anticipating it very soon," Musa said.

"But although nothing is official, he's expected to accept the offer – we already have the press release ready to go."

Cameron has known Hornet's head coach and former James Madison skipper Kevin Anderson for several years ,and the two are good friends, according to Musa.

He has spent the last nine years as head coach Greg Van Zant's top assistant coach after taking over for current Potomac State College coach Doug Little in 1999.

Cameron, who has invested 11 years total in the program, also serves as bench coach and recruiting coordinator. Before WVU, he served as head coach at Catonsville (Md.) Community College in 1997

Cameron will take over for former SU assistant Kirk Renegar and will try and attempt to continue Shenandoah's recent success.

In 2008, the Hornets recorded its fifth consecutive 20-win season in the competitive USA South Conference.

"I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to come here," Musa said. "We play in a very competitive conference, and Coach Anderson has done a great job in turning this program into one of the best up-and-coming programs in Division III."

The Mountaineers finished the 2008 season with a 35-21 record including a seventh place finish in the Big East Conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on July 26, 2008, 11:41:51 AM
Kenny Moreland has recovered from a slow June to have a a great July.  He is 2-0 with a 1.24 ERA in July. keep up the good work Kenny you are making the USA South very proud. 
Also Chris Pecora is hitting .269 with 5 SB's in his 1st 78 at bats. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on July 29, 2008, 09:00:33 PM
I just noticed looking at the CPL rosters that former Methodist 3B Seth Kivett has transferred to D2 UNC-Pembroke.  I wish him well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 29, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: A.G. on July 29, 2008, 09:00:33 PM
I just noticed looking at the CPL rosters that former Methodist 3B Seth Kivett has transferred to D2 UNC-Pembroke.  I wish him well.
i don't :)...that's a tough loss for the monarchs, but i'm hearing there's a solid replacement for him coming in...time will tell

question for you catfishncwc...rumor mill has it that kivett left in part for more exposure to scouts...does a player help himself more playing for a bad team in a pretty strong d2 conference or playing for a top team in a top d3 conference?

kivett didn't put up great numbers in conference last year...it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers he puts up in the pbac
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on July 29, 2008, 09:47:59 PM
Offensively, that will be a very tough loss for you guys.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on August 09, 2008, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: A.G. on July 29, 2008, 09:47:59 PM
Offensively, that will be a very tough loss for you guys.
.271 with 4 hr's and 12 rbi in conference isn't as spectacular as the rest of his season...seth ate up bad pitching last year, and was really hot early...i don't want to downplay what he did, but he simply wasn't a force in games that mattered, and his 18 errors and .878 fielding percentage hurt - no question he will be missed, but i'm not sure he can't be replaced
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on August 13, 2008, 08:46:42 AM
BTW, Narch...rumor has it LC will be heading down your way again for another weekend tournament.  Hope we can meet up this time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on August 14, 2008, 01:06:21 PM
Fall workouts just around the corner  !!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on August 14, 2008, 02:00:41 PM
Fall could be interesting...but mainly in D1 as players find out they are now without a spot on Spring rosters due to the new NCAA D1 roster limit...and I bet MANY of those end up at D3 schools in the USAS and ODAC since D1 can not transfer to D1 without sitting out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on August 18, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: narch on July 29, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: A.G. on July 29, 2008, 09:00:33 PM
I just noticed looking at the CPL rosters that former Methodist 3B Seth Kivett has transferred to D2 UNC-Pembroke.  I wish him well.
i don't :)...that's a tough loss for the monarchs, but i'm hearing there's a solid replacement for him coming in...time will tell

question for you catfishncwc...rumor mill has it that kivett left in part for more exposure to scouts...does a player help himself more playing for a bad team in a pretty strong d2 conference or playing for a top team in a top d3 conference?

kivett didn't put up great numbers in conference last year...it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers he puts up in the pbac

If you are going to transfer to a D2 to get more exposure then go to Mount Olive and that is about it.  I am sure in the past 20 years no D2 team besides Mount Olive has had more pro players than either Methodist or NC Wesleyan.  Also for a position player to they don't need the high level as much as pitchers.  Weekend pitchers at the D3 and D2 level can get overlooked because they are competing for a Scout Times the same days top level D1 pitchers are pitching.  Scouts can see a position any day of the week.  I know UNC P had a kid drafted last year but I don't remember them having to many kids getting drafted the past few years. 
Does not make a lot of sense to me if you are going to leave to get more exposure why waste time going to school that does not get much or any more exposure than Methodist. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on August 19, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on August 18, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: narch on July 29, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: A.G. on July 29, 2008, 09:00:33 PM
I just noticed looking at the CPL rosters that former Methodist 3B Seth Kivett has transferred to D2 UNC-Pembroke.  I wish him well.
i don't :)...that's a tough loss for the monarchs, but i'm hearing there's a solid replacement for him coming in...time will tell

question for you catfishncwc...rumor mill has it that kivett left in part for more exposure to scouts...does a player help himself more playing for a bad team in a pretty strong d2 conference or playing for a top team in a top d3 conference?

kivett didn't put up great numbers in conference last year...it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers he puts up in the pbac

If you are going to transfer to a D2 to get more exposure then go to Mount Olive and that is about it.  I am sure in the past 20 years no D2 team besides Mount Olive has had more pro players than either Methodist or NC Wesleyan.  Also for a position player to they don't need the high level as much as pitchers.  Weekend pitchers at the D3 and D2 level can get overlooked because they are competing for a Scout Times the same days top level D1 pitchers are pitching.  Scouts can see a position any day of the week.  I know UNC P had a kid drafted last year but I don't remember them having to many kids getting drafted the past few years. 
Does not make a lot of sense to me if you are going to leave to get more exposure why waste time going to school that does not get much or any more exposure than Methodist. 
thanks for your insight...i suspected as much, having pretty good knowledge of uncp...i guess some just think they're going to get overlooked at the d3 level
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on October 08, 2008, 04:55:43 PM
So the ODAC and USA South are having Spring Tournament.  Should be interesting, I noticed on the NCWC 09 schedule we are playing RMC, Guilford and Bridgewater. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on October 08, 2008, 06:39:27 PM
Roanoke and Lynchburg are participating in a little tournament (along with Frostburg State and Huntingdon) down at Methodist the 20th-22 of Feb.  LC also plays the rest of the USA South this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on November 30, 2008, 11:10:29 AM
Salisbury to host the 2009 South Regional.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 02, 2008, 08:02:39 PM
Games at Salisbury to be played at Delmarva Shorebirds (Orioles) stadium.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 05, 2008, 04:44:31 PM
CNU looks to be the favorite for the 2009 season with North Carolina Wesleyan right behind them, making the first conference match up even more bigger.

Also Bailey from CNU looks to take over MVP of the league again, but who is the favorite for pitcher of year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on December 05, 2008, 08:08:16 PM
Potential Pitcher's of the Year
(If these players are back)

Moore- NCWC
Van Sickler- SU
Hildreth- AU
Shelton- AU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 06, 2008, 07:56:53 AM
I would say that hildreth and moore are the two best pitchers in the USA South, but who ever is the ACE for CNU can not be left out because he will have a good chance to get pitcher of year in the USA SOUTH.  I dont see hildreth winning it just because of the team he as backing him up. So id say Moore is in the drivers seat and who ever coach decides to put as his ace at CNU the will give Moore a run for his money


Do you think Moore, Hildreth, Bailey or any of other guys have a chance to be a preason all-american
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 11, 2008, 12:51:54 PM
 WHO IS THE FAVORITE FOR THE USA SOUTH-ODAC TOURNEY. FROM TOP TO BOTTOM ITS EASY TO SEE THAT THE USA SOUTH IS A MUCH BETTER CONFRENCE, BUT THE GAMES STILL HAVE TO BE PLAYED. CNU AND THEIR FREAK OF NATURE HITTING TEAM WILL WIN ATLEAST TWO OF THERE GAMES, WHILE YOU HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE GBORO HITTING TEAM THEY HAVE WILL WIN A GAME TO. TOM AUSTIN WILL HAVE HIS BOYS READY TO PLAY AS ALWAYS AND WILL PULL OUT A NOTCH AS WELL. LOOK FOR FERRUM TO NOT WIN A GAME AT ALL WHILE SU AND AVERETT WILL SHARE A WIN OR TWO. NC WESLEYAN WILL BE FAVORED TO WIN ATLEAST TWO OF THEIR GAMES AND SHOULD BE PROMISED ATLEAST THE ONE GAME THAT THE MOORE KID THROWS TO HAVE A WIN. IT SHOULD BE A FUN TOURNAMENT TO WATCH AND THE TOTALS SHOULD COME DOWN TO THE LAST DAY.


CNU- 2 OR 3 (BAILEY AND THE GUYS SURROUNDING HIM IN THE LINEUP WILL BE THE MOST FUN TO WATCH)
GBORO-1 OR 2 (ALWAYS A GOOD HITTING TEAM AND SHOULD WIN ONE OF THEIR 3)
NCWC- 1 OR 2 (UNLESS GRADUATED, MOORE'S GAME WILL BE A WIN AND SHOULD NOTCH ONE MORE)
FERRUM- 0 (BEING THAT IM FROM VA, AND WATCH FERRUM LAST YEAR  GO 10-?, DOESNT GET IT DONE)
SU- 1 HOULD NOTCH OUT ONE WIN AND MAYBE TWO IF THEY HAVE A GAME AGAINST GUILFORD)
METHODIST-1 AUSTIN WILL LEAD HIS TEAM TO ATLEST ONE WIN, JUST BECAUSE ITS METHODSIT)
AVERETT-1 UNLESS GRAD, HILDRETH AND MOORE WILL GO FOR PITCHER OF THE YEAR AND AVERETT SHOULD GET ONE OF THEIR WINS THROUGH HILDRETH)

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE PREDICTIONS AND WHAT IS THE ODAC GOING TO BRING?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on December 12, 2008, 01:00:34 PM
It will be tough for Methodist to win a game in the USA-South/ODAC Challenge since they are going to be in Texas when the tournament is being played.

Looking at CNU's schedule I don't think their even playing in the tournament.

I know NCWC is playing in it.

The USA-South/ODAC Challenge is Feb 14-15 in Greensboro, NC. 

Wesleyan plays BC, RMC, and GC. 
Greensboro plays GC, BC, RMC.
Averett plays RMC, GC, BC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 13, 2008, 08:26:36 AM
CNU is not in the tournament. They play Lynchburg at home on 2/14 and Gwynedd-Mery on February 15. After that, it's RMC on 2/18, and Rowan on February 20 and 21.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 14, 2008, 11:14:58 PM
Sorry guys, i was told that all teams would be playing, and didn't know that it was only 3 teams from each conference, but thanks for letting me know. With the schedule you gave me, who do you guys think will be the biggest match up and best to watch, as i plan to go watch the tournament. Sadly, I was looking forward to seeing CNU play the most, but watching Gboro's offence play again, along with watching Moore from Wesleyan and Hildreth from Averett pitch will be just exciting. Who is the favorite to win the tournament, which game is the best to watch, and who do you think will be the most exciting player to watch?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on December 15, 2008, 11:33:42 AM
Bridgewater and Randolph-Macon are two of the better teams in the ODAC.  Bridgewater was in the regional in 06 and 07 while Macon was in the regional last year 08.  If I was going to watch a game I would want to see Wesleyan vs. BC or RM-C or Greensboro vs. BC or RM-C.  Those games are the must see games.

Next year I believe every team in the USA-South is coming to Greensboro to play in the tournament.  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on December 15, 2008, 12:57:54 PM
This is going to be a great early season test for the ODAC teams.  BC will be working on finding arms to replace its arms lost from last season, R-MC will be tough, with A LOT returning, and Guilford could be a surprise team this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 15, 2008, 06:35:05 PM
i agree, BC game against GBORO will be a big test to see how good their arms will be with the lineup the GBORO team will bring. R-MC will be a tough team returning everyone and should be fun to watch. But also the ODAC could run into alot of problems if one of the teams have to see Moore from NC Wesleyan and Hildreth from Averett back-to-back, but also taking a win from those two pitchers could put  not only their team on the national radar, but also give their team the confidence to beat anyone.

Since we have been talking about the ODAC and USA SOUTH so much, if you guys had to put together a starting line-up position wise, not hitting,  what would it be? and even more interesting who would be your coaches
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on December 28, 2008, 10:35:46 PM
Fellas,
I am a new NCWC dad.  My son is a freshman pitcher on the team and I have been reading your treads which are extremely interesting.  Hope to meet some of you at the games although we'll only make about half due to travel from VA is about 2 hours for us.  Who will replace Pecora in RF this year? and has M. Smith caught on with a professional team...I look at his stats and they are massive.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on December 29, 2008, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: rlscosta on December 28, 2008, 10:35:46 PM
Fellas,
I am a new NCWC dad.  My son is a freshman pitcher on the team and I have been reading your treads which are extremely interesting.  Hope to meet some of you at the games although we'll only make about half due to travel from VA is about 2 hours for us.  Who will replace Pecora in RF this year? and has M. Smith caught on with a professional team...I look at his stats and they are massive.
I am a NCWC alum I also live in VA, in Norfolk.  Hope to see you at a few games.  I usually make it back to 2 games a year.  Good luck to your son I hope he gets some innings as a Freshman. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on December 29, 2008, 12:44:49 PM
catfish,
thanks.  We also live in Norfolk...what a coincidence...


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Quote from: rlscosta on December 28, 2008, 10:35:46 PM
Fellas,
I am a new NCWC dad.  My son is a freshman pitcher on the team and I have been reading your treads which are extremely interesting.  Hope to meet some of you at the games although we'll only make about half due to travel from VA is about 2 hours for us.  Who will replace Pecora in RF this year? and has M. Smith caught on with a professional team...I look at his stats and they are massive.
I am a NCWC alum I also live in VA, in Norfolk.  Hope to see you at a few games.  I usually make it back to 2 games a year.  Good luck to your son I hope he gets some innings as a Freshman. 
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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on December 30, 2008, 03:17:25 PM
RLSCOSTA where did your boy play high school ball at?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on December 30, 2008, 10:07:40 PM
Lake Taylor High School for coach Vince Zebro.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 01, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
catfish...any chance you will be out at the LC-CNU game on Feb 14?  I would love to be able to put a face with the name!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 02, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: A.G. on January 01, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
catfish...any chance you will be out at the LC-CNU game on Feb 14?  I would love to be able to put a face with the name!
Looks like I will be at that game.  No other game in town that weekend.  Maybe my only chance to get a look at Lynchburg this year. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 02, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
hey guys season is just around the corner and being that i am a usa south fan i only know the main players i put my eye on last year. with that said lets put together a pre season 1rst team all conference team    interested on what you have guys bring to the table
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 02, 2009, 09:43:49 PM
3 guys to keep an eye on from the Greensboro College group are Richard Allred, Michael Parker, and Josh Spicer. Allred and Spicer are #1 and #2 starter and Parker is a shortstop who can flat out mash the ball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 03, 2009, 09:23:27 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 02, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: A.G. on January 01, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
catfish...any chance you will be out at the LC-CNU game on Feb 14?  I would love to be able to put a face with the name!
Looks like I will be at that game.  No other game in town that weekend.  Maybe my only chance to get a look at Lynchburg this year. 

Looking forward to hopefully meeting you!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 03, 2009, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: GboroKing on January 02, 2009, 09:43:49 PM
3 guys to keep an eye on from the Greensboro College group are Richard Allred, Michael Parker, and Josh Spicer. Allred and Spicer are #1 and #2 starter and Parker is a shortstop who can flat out mash the ball.

GboroKing you must be a player from the team this year because looking at the stats from last year i see no Allred, Parker or Spicer so they must be transfers. They have never played in the USA South so no one can expect what they are going to do. We will see just how good they are as they open up with lynchburg and some other hard teams. Also being a Va baseball fan, i know that the rival teams like Averett and NC Wesleyan will not be to kind to welcome them to the confrence. Who ever is Gboro's number #1 pitcher all i can say is good luck, because as i understand you guys go both to Averett and NC Wesleyan so facing Hildreth from Averett and Moore from Wesleyan on their home field on their mound is not going to be a easy task.

You also say that they are going to be the #1 and #2, where did Kit Mock and Dorsett run off to
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hammer Ball on January 03, 2009, 02:28:34 PM
Josh Spicer, JR, P, Pembroke Pines, FL, Transfer from Lipscomb University
2007 - 10.29 era   14.0 ip  64 bf   .422 avg agst
2008 - unknown

Richard Allred, SR, P, Snow Camp, NC, Transfer from Wingate
2008 -10.54    27.1   133  .353
2007 -  7.42    70.1   291  .351

Mike Parker, JR, SS, Snow Camp, NC, Transfer from Wingate University
2007 - .333 ba  48-48 gp-gs   174 ab   .477 slg    .407 ob    17-19 sb-att
2008 - unknown

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 04, 2009, 12:38:40 PM
Mock graduated and Dorsett had arm sugery this offseason. He might be ready by the time the season kicks off but it is not for certain. Josh Spicer transfered from Lipscomb but missed the 2008 year because of a car crash. Michael Parker took a year off last due to personal reasons.
Title: Pre season 1st Team All Conference
Post by: rlscosta on January 04, 2009, 01:37:27 PM
Guys,
here is my shot at preseason 1st team all conference...food for thought...

1B - Chris Despins (jr - CNU)
2B - Travis Beausoleil (sr - NCWC)
SS - Trae Bailey (sr - CNU)
3B - Alex Guerra (jr - GU)
C - Justin Batts (sr - NCWC)
OF - Eric Cole (sr - CNU)
OF - Tyler O'Neill (sr - GU)
OF - Mike Giarizzi (sr - CNU)
UTIL - Greg Van Sickler (so - SHEN U)
P - Ben Moore (sr - NCWC)
P - Ben Hildreth (sr - Averrett U)
RP - Kevin Moreland (sr - CNU)

Player of The year - Trae Bailey (sr - CNU)
Pitcher of The year - Ben Moore (sr- NCWC)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 04, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
Alex Guerra did not return to GC. These are very good picks for all conference though costa. It will be interesting to see what pans out when the season gets underway.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 04, 2009, 04:28:33 PM
GboroKing thanks for the information i look foward to seeing them play this year in the USA SOUTH against the VA teams and in the odac usa south tourney.  GboroKing being that you are a player i wanted to ask if the rival between you guys and averett or you guys and wesleyan is a bigger game because i wanted to come to the bigger game.

Costa  those are very good picks and i would pick Neal from CNU instead of Guerra for my 3b. Also someone should write the usa south and tell them to put out a pre season 1rst team all confrence. It wouldnt hurt and it would also bring more views and make alot of the usa south fans more excited for the up and coming season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 04, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
A lot of guys on GC are new so the bad blood is kind of shallow right now. From the looks of things the NCWC will be the bigger game since the last remaining guys do not like them very much
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 04, 2009, 08:59:46 PM
Quote from: baseballbaseball on January 04, 2009, 04:28:33 PM
GboroKing thanks for the information i look foward to seeing them play this year in the USA SOUTH against the VA teams and in the odac usa south tourney.  GboroKing being that you are a player i wanted to ask if the rival between you guys and averett or you guys and wesleyan is a bigger game because i wanted to come to the bigger game.

Costa  those are very good picks and i would pick Neal from CNU instead of Guerra for my 3b. Also someone should write the usa south and tell them to put out a pre season 1rst team all confrence. It wouldnt hurt and it would also bring more views and make alot of the usa south fans more excited for the up and coming season.

I agree with Neal at 3B...I look for him to have a huge year hitting in that lineup.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 04, 2009, 09:04:25 PM
Yeah AG i think neal will be a huge advantage to the lineup for CNU this year  Despins, Neal, Bailey,   that a serious infield and serious infield with some bats.

GboroKing  from the past as far as my old self can remember i always though NCWC and METH along with Ferrum were rivals. Why has it become a three way thing with Averett NCWC and GBORO  Also why does anyone have bad blood with Wesleyan. From the times i have seen them play, Coach Long and his staff has a very well behaved team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on January 05, 2009, 10:03:37 AM
I know Seth Kivett is gone to DII UNC-Pembroke.  Where did Alex Guerra go?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on January 05, 2009, 10:05:08 AM
More food for thought...Who are some impact new guys on the USA South???...I.E. transfer from others schools and freshman coming in?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 05, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: A.G. on January 03, 2009, 09:23:27 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 02, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: A.G. on January 01, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
catfish...any chance you will be out at the LC-CNU game on Feb 14?  I would love to be able to put a face with the name!
Looks like I will be at that game.  No other game in town that weekend.  Maybe my only chance to get a look at Lynchburg this year. 

Looking forward to hopefully meeting you!

You can't miss me I will behind the backstop with the gun and probably wearing NCWC or braves attire. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 06, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 05, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: A.G. on January 03, 2009, 09:23:27 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on January 02, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: A.G. on January 01, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
catfish...any chance you will be out at the LC-CNU game on Feb 14?  I would love to be able to put a face with the name!
Looks like I will be at that game.  No other game in town that weekend.  Maybe my only chance to get a look at Lynchburg this year. 

Looking forward to hopefully meeting you!

You can't miss me I will behind the backstop with the gun and probably wearing NCWC or braves attire. 

...and I will be the short loudmouth in the LC lid   ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on January 06, 2009, 05:08:41 PM
A.G., you're not loud-mouthed, just fatherly supportive...at least until your boy starts dancing.

Time is getting closer, 37 days till CNU opens...which means it'll be Hillary cold.... :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 08, 2009, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: A.G. on January 01, 2009, 11:09:54 AM
catfish...any chance you will be out at the LC-CNU game on Feb 14?  I would love to be able to put a face with the name!
You will probably also see me at the Virginia Wesleyan on April 4th. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 09, 2009, 04:22:48 PM
Unless you're from Salisbury...not much love for the South Region here:

Quote from: Jim Dixon on January 09, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
The 2009 D3baseball.com Preseason All American Team

First Team:                                 
C: Sean Killeen, Trinity (Conn.)
1B: Sean Claugherty, St. Scholastica
2B: Randy Boyle, Salisbury
3B: John Wagle, Augustana
SS: Brian Kolb, Wheaton (Ill.)
OF: Brian Youchak, Johns Hopkins
OF: Hunter Owen, Millsaps
OF: Mike Guadango, William Paterson
DH: Chris Dunham, Thiel
UTL: Shawn Gilblair, Eastern Connecticut State
P: Wayde Kitchens, Chapman
P: Blake Booher, Texas-Tyler
P: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity (Conn.)
                                    
Second Team:
C: Brock Whiteman, Muskingum
1B: Drew Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer
2B: Mike Gerdes, St Joe (LI)
3B: Kevin Zalnis, UW-Whitewater
SS: Dan Kaczrowski, Hamline
OF: Anthony D'Alfonso, Southern Maine
OF: Andrew Fuiten, Webster
OF: Eric Boylan, Thiel
DH: Andrew Miller, Salisbury
UTL: Bruce Cameron, Ozarks
P: Adam Gingras, Wheaton (Mass.)
P: Matt Tone, Cortland State
P: Jeremy Rubens, UW-Oshkosh
                                       
Honorable Mention: 1B: Brad Demmin, UW-Oshkosh, 2B: Wes White, Jr., Waynesburg; SS: Trae Bailey, Christopher Newport; 2B/OF: Alex Raetzloff, Webster; DH: Rick Porcaro, Benedictine: P: Steve Matre, Mt. St. Joseph; Peter Burg, St. Scholastica; Eric Willey, Salisbury.

Anyone else in the USAS that was worthy of consideration?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 04:45:34 PM
Hunter Owen, OF Millsaps
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 10, 2009, 12:24:02 PM
AG i have to agree with you on that note.  And to be honest salisbury being from upper maryland no one knows they are from the south region untill the regionals roll around.  And Ralph Turner should give me and you a break saying that ONE Millsaps player made it to represent the south region. ALMOST EVERY all-american list or even with the rankings is based around Northern teams. And Bailey being a HM pre-season all american, give me a break, please put every d3 short stop in the nation on a field and lets see who is better. As far as pitchers go i can not believe that Delvine was not even mentioned on any team, there is nothing you can say to explain why he is not on the list.

As far as the your question AG, i believe that Ben Moore from NC Wesleyan could have been a HM all-american. I do understand why he is not on any list as he has the most notable weak stats to back him up compared to Bailey and Delvine. Wesleyan was one of if not the most horrible fielding teams in the nation. When a player wins 8 to 9 games on a team that fields like that, while also one of his only two losses was to the d2 national champs the first game of the year. But of course the big dogs of this web site dont take the time to look at those situations, just like the situation of Delvine being a closer last year, and thats why he only threw around 60 innings.

I Have a question for everyone to talk about, If the Nortern d3 teams put together 1 starting lineup with 3 starting pitchers to play a 3 game serious against the Southern d3 teams, who do you think would be on each team and who do you think would win. I know what d3baseball.com would say if you just look at the all-american lists.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 10, 2009, 12:28:07 PM
 I also would like to congrad Bailey for his pre-season all american award. Being one of my favorite players to watch last year and also being a native of VA it makes all the college baseball fans from VA proud to be represented. Delvine was scooped, but i believe delvine, baliey and maybe a surprise player could represent the state of VA at the end of the year
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on January 10, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
did anyone know that baseballbaseball is ben moore?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 10, 2009, 10:21:54 PM
haha HighHeat good guess, i could be Obama, i could be Bailey, I could be a coach,  but i am not ben moore, or any other player i am just a fan. Just because i like Bailey, Moore, and other players, etc. does not mean i am one.  Just enjoy talking about baseball and watching local teams around my area such as CNU.  But highheat i look forward to you  next guess.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballbaseball on January 15, 2009, 07:19:06 PM
congrads to CNU for being name pre-season #1 pick to win the usa south.  NO surprise that they were picked  number one but i am surprised that methodist was picked #3 and gboro #4. I suspected gboro to be picked #3, SU #4, Meth or Averett #5. Not trying to be bias by saying the VA schools should be ranked higher, but SU returns a good group of guys that i saw play last year, while Averett has got to have gotten better and still has Ben Hildreth. I suspect NCWC and CNU to battle it out but dont be surprised if Gboro and SU are in the mix. Ferrum will cause no trouble, but i suspect Hildreth and his cougars to upset some teams and cause alot of problems. Be nice to see 3  VA schools in the top 5 of the USA SOUTH.

What do you guys think will be the final result of the USA SOUTH REG SEASON
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on January 15, 2009, 07:37:18 PM
Averett played very poorly last year.  They do have Hildreth and don't forget Sheldon who had a off year coming back, although they need more hitting.  I think it will be between CNU and NCWC to take it all.  My surprise team would be Greensboro...they have a very good hitting team, just depends on how much pitching they can get.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on January 23, 2009, 07:06:28 PM
Just for fun here is a shot at the 2008 All-Freshman USA South Team...pretty impressive talent!

1B - Kevin Marshall (Ferrum)        30 G/112 AB - .259, 5 HR, 17 RBI, 20 R, .446 SLG,
2B - Brian Inghram (Methodist)    26 G/60 AB - .267, 0 HR, 13 RBI, 14 BB, .430 OBP, 6 SB
SS - Justin Rahm (NCWC)             43 G/144 AB - .250, 4 HR, 20 RBI, 7 doubles, 16 BB
3B - David Fennessey (CNU)        18 G/41 AB - .317, 0 HR, 8 RBI, .378 OBP
C - Thomas Drewry (CNU)            24 G/68 AB - .279, 2 HR, 16 RBI, 7 doubles, .471 SLG
OF - Adam Higgins (Averett)         36 G/145 AB - .359, 0 HR, 5 RBI, 28 R, 7 doubles, .413 OBP, 9 SB
OF - Travis Crump (Ferrum)          27 G/90 AB - .356, 0 HR, 9 RBI, 9 doubles, .500 SLG
OF - Tripp Lancaster (Methodist)  31 G/82 AB - .280, 0 HR, 20 RBI, 20 R, 8 SB
UTL - Greg Van Sickler (Shen U)   33 G/123 AB - .439, 3 HR, 23 RBI, 31 R, 14 doubles, .659 SLG, 8 SB
P- Tyler Milstead (Ferrum)             10 G/6 GS, 1-4, 4.83 ERA, 41 INN, 11 BB
P - Andrew Webb (NCWC)            15 G/2 SV, 3-2, 2.49 ERA, 21.2 INN, 13 K's, .235 OPP BA
P - Justin Diener (NCWC)                9 G/7 GS/ 1 CG, 4-1, 4.01 ERA, 51.2 INN, 40 K's, .255 OPP BA
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 28, 2009, 12:32:02 PM
Well, once again this year, all I'm hearing is how good Greensboro College will be. I've heard it every year for the past 5 years....always overhyped. Does anyone know how good they can really be? I've heard of numerous transfers....names like Allred, Parker, Laboy. Somebody give me something on these guys. I know Mock and Poindexter graduated, and thats about all they had....I thought I read something about a lefty named Dorsett having surgery on his arm. Is he back and if so is he healthy? It just makes me a little agitated when I hear how good they'll be every year and then what happens? NOTHING
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 28, 2009, 04:14:02 PM
You may talk all the junk about GC that you want but until the Quakers put up a fight do not say that they never bring anything to the table. If you are a player there, you will find out Feb 14th how good they really are. As for the information you requested, they are a talented team who have potential. So they may have NOTHING in your opinion but do not sleep on them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 29, 2009, 12:16:41 AM
Calm down GboroKing....I'm not talking junk, just telling the truth. What has GC done lately? You really didn't answer any of my questions. I was just trying to see if the rumors I keep hearing are true. By the way, the word potential means nothing to me. Are you on the team or a relative or something. You don't seem to know too much....anybody of here have any information on the Pride?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 29, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
Well, I guess nobody really knows anything....I'm talking to myself......I did notice Greensboro has their new roster up.....well all the transfers are ACTUALLY on the roster. So there is some truth to what I've been hearing.....I mean they transferred to Greensboro, how good could they be?  ::)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 29, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
There's a player I know who I saw was on the preliminary roster, James Geosits, who had transferred in to GC.  Do any of the GC followers know what happened to him?  He is a solid hitter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 29, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
James has left the ballclub due to personal reasons.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 29, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
And in reply to quaker...I am guessing they are better for not going to Guilford.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 29, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
Hmmmm....."personal reasons..." I guess he found out GC wasn't that great of a place to be. I guess they'll miss that bat....GboroKing, got any players to look out for this year? We can have our fun talking junk, but lets at least see some predictions....How good will GC be?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 29, 2009, 06:12:36 PM
Yup I would watch out for the 9 guys on the field.....As for the question of how good will they be....They surely are the best D3 team in Greensboro. I think that was the answer you were looking for.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 29, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
GboroKing, you're joking right. I feel like I'm talking to a 5 year old or someone who is mentally handicapped. You obviously don't know much about the team because you have zero specifics. And if you're right, if GC is the best D3 team in Greensboro....that puts them in last place in the USA South. Another long year for the Pride-less  ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 29, 2009, 07:20:45 PM
Why would I give someone an indepth scouting report to team that I do not like at all?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 29, 2009, 07:24:06 PM
I'm not looking for inside information or anything....I just wanted to know how they should be. What is a message board for? I don't play for Guilford by the way...GboroKing, do you live with your Mom?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on January 29, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
You are the one that has done nothing but talk ****.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 29, 2009, 07:33:24 PM
Well to be totally honest, you really haven't added anything to the conversation....I just wanted to find out some information on GC, since I've heard they have added a lot of new guys and lost almost everything from last year.....since GboroKing won't give me anything (he must be a player or Coach scared to give me the scouting report), does anybody have any info on them?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 29, 2009, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: GboroKing on January 29, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
James has left the ballclub due to personal reasons.
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on January 30, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
Well, all the TALK will stop next Saturday and the WALK will begin. Averett and Hampden-Sydney play as well as Lynchburg and Greensboro. Any thoughts on these matchups? Personally, I think the ODAC will go 4-0 in the Saturday matchups....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on January 30, 2009, 09:53:30 PM
Although I love the Kool-Aid you're drinking, Q1...I just don't see that happening.  HSC traditionally has come out the gate slow...and you just don't know how the cold/wet weather is affecting the all the team's preparations. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 02, 2009, 12:04:19 AM
Yes I agree with A.G. You are sipping something quaker but it might not be just the Kool-Aid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 02, 2009, 12:53:05 AM
SoxMan, welcome to the conversation....so who are you a fan of? I promise I'm not drinking anything my man. I just think that Hampden-Sydney will have no problem with Averett on Saturday. Averett was pretty awful last year, and with HSC opening up at home I like them....As for the Greensboro-Lynchburg series, I honestly like Lynchburg. They are no doubt the better team. Obviously, being a Quaker, I've been bred to despise the Pride. But, I think Devlin and the boys will come out of GC 2-0. I can see it now, another long year for the Pride... ::)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 02, 2009, 11:02:33 AM
This Guilford vs. G-Boro thing is getting heated.  I don't even think I have had such a hated conversation with a Methodist fan on this board and that is a heated rivalry on a national level.   Guess all this talk will be just make the game on the 14th a must know who wins on this board.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 02, 2009, 04:00:29 PM
I am a fan of the Pride. How can you say Lynchburg is no doubt a better team than Greensboro when all you have been asking on here is "does anyone have any info on how good Greensboro will be?". If you don't know how good the Pride is then you cant say that Lynchburg is without a doubt the better team. You are right catfish but then again this should be a big rivalry because the two schools are seperated by like 10 mins. I am looking forward to the game on Feb 14th quaker.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 02, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Oh ok, SoxMan a Pride follower. About time one of you jumped on board. Well, here is my reasoning...Lynchburg finished 32-13 last season and 15-3 in the ODAC. They lost absolutely no pitching, while losing some key hitters. GC went 26-15 overall and 7-4 in the USA South. The Pride lost almost everybody from last year's team. Mock, Poholsky, Poindexter, Corona....the list goes on. I just think LC has a solid core group of guys coming back and the Pride is going to struggle to find their identity.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 02, 2009, 06:17:58 PM
But just because they lost a lot of guys from the team last year does not mean they are going to be terrible. Greensboro did bring in a lot of guys from other schools who have collegiate innings under their belts. Not to mention key players who are back from last year. They have a good mix from top to bottom with talent in every class.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on February 03, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
Just because a team brings in a lot of guys does not mean they will have an identity crisis. You seem to be worried about greensboro an awful lot. How good is guilford going to be this year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: JackHammer on February 03, 2009, 01:22:24 PM
Gboro will be a very good offensive team. There defense is extremely lacking and pitching is questionable at this point. I have inside information that almost half of their staff is not at 100% right now, including one of their aces from last year, Jordan Dorsett. They are returning their short stop from last year who is, without a doubt, their best defensive player. If you have followed Gboro for a few years as I have, you will see that they almost always have the talent to go far, but their coaching staff is far from stellar, and it will be the coaching staff that hurts them the most this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 03, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
To SoxMan: I didn't say GC would be terrible. I just said that I though Lynchburg was better than them because of their returning lineup. Also, how many innings did these transfers get? I mean, transferring from D-1 and D-2 schools to Greensboro College....the main reason for that switch is usually the same: more playing time. So riding the pine for a D-1 school really doesn't prepare you for actually playing the game. I guess we'll find out how good their "mix" of talent is very soon.

To GboroKing: My point about the identity crisis was that even though GC has a lot of upperclassmen, most of the guys are new to the program. I don't know these players personally, but maybe some of them won't gel together well. I know one of the transfers personally and I can honestly say that not many people like the guy. He is probably causing chemistry problems himself. And to your last point, I just like talking baseball. If you want to talk Quaker baseball come over to the ODAC board. I'll talk for hours if you want. Over here on the USA South board I like talking GC baseball. Also, I live 10 minutes from GC, so its fun to keep up with them. GboroKing, remember this isn't supposed to be personal. You like getting personal. Run upstairs from your basement and tell your Mom I said hey.

To JackHammer: You're kidding right? "Inside Information"??? a.k.a. I'm a player who doesn't want to be known. I would guess you are the "best defensive player". Haha, thats funny. Well, looking at the roster, I think I'm talking to Jacob Tomb. Whats going on Jacob? Glad to hear you think you are the best. I love the humility. Anyways, so where are the problems on defense. You also said that half of their staff is hurt. So there are guys other than Dorsett hurting? By the way, how far away is he from being ready. I saw a post earlier saying he had surgery on his arm. Ouch, a little shot at the coaching staff!!! Hope they don't find out our little secret Mr. Tomb. What kind of problems will the coaching staff create? I would love hearing from an "insider".  ::)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 03, 2009, 04:01:05 PM
The LC SID put out a nice preview of the DH on Saturday with GC:
http://www.d3baseball.com/pressreleases/Lynchburg/2009/02/02/14-Lynchburg-Baseball-Opens-at-Greensboro-Saturday/3512

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 03, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Actually most of the guys that transferred in to GC did play at their old schools. As to the question about Dorsett, he is ready to regain his title as one of the top pitchers in the conference. So come on out to the ballpark and support your favorite Greensboro team on saturday at 2:00.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 04, 2009, 12:33:27 AM
Hello Brian AKA Quaker, you will get swept by GC's number one and number two pitchers; Richard Allred and Michael Manfro, who are both veteran collegiate pitchers. Both pitched at Wingate. GC's Starting 10 are solid and there is no reason why you should believe Guilford is any better, because that is a complete fabrication.

As for GC being better than Lynchburg. I have yet to see Lynchburg play, however, I do not see either team getting blown away. I am excited for next weeks games and I wouldn't be surprised if GC did indeed sweep Lynchburg.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 04, 2009, 12:51:17 AM
A.G. Thanks again for the link. Good article out of Lynchburg. Sounds like an interesting weekend opener between these two teams.

To SoxMan: Hmmm...all the transfers played at their school? Alright, I guess they just saw the light and knew Greensboro was the place to be. A little unbelievable, but since you seem to know a lot about the situation, I'll believe you. But your second point is very questionable. Dorsett as a top pitcher? He had a mediocre year last year...anyways, if he is ready why is TheRightHander saying that Allred and Manfro are the two studs of the staff? Someone is lying....

To TheRightHander: Brian??? Come on my man. Have no idea who that is. But while were calling people out, welcome to the conversation Mr. Manfro.  :o I mean your e-mail is posted in your profile....froboy? Real tough to put two and two together. Thats one thing you'll find out about me, I'm pretty smart. Anyways, the boys down the road at GC must be reading this board often. I've counted about 3 of them to join this board. I like it. More information and more trash talk. Will the Quakers even see GC's top 2 pitchers? I mean, this is non-conference action, there are no doubleheaders scheduled. I guess we'll see next weekend when the Quakers and Pride meet for the first time at NewBridge. Again, welcome to the board Michael. Look forward to seeing you pitch, hopefully against the Quakers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 04, 2009, 12:59:28 AM
Ill make an urgent request to pitch against Guilford and there is no doubt in my mind that I would shove it hard. As for Dorsett, he is at the end of his rehab and has already began throwing off the mound. With him doing everything right, there is no reason why he shouldn't be a top pitcher in the conference.

I did some research myselfand  I found your myspace.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 04, 2009, 01:04:53 AM
I'm glad you know my name because it won't be the last time you hear about me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 04, 2009, 07:24:19 AM
Geesh guys, how about taking it outside?

  Looks like a lot of talent in the USAS this year, both returning and newcomers. With the D-1 roster limits, I suspect more and more transfers to D III will occur as the years go on. Two other factors:  (1). the difference between the divisions is much different in baseball as compared to football and basketball. On a given day, a good D III team with a good pitcher can knock off a highly-regarded D-1; that won't happen in football or basketball.(and it won't much happen in baseball because the D-1's aren't going to often schedule the D III's for that reason-nothing to gain, lots to lose.)     (2). Coming out of high school, D-1 means a lot but guys  that were high school studs, and just about all college players were, don't cotton much to pine time and a year of sitting makes a kid realize it's a lot more fun to play. With the very limited substitution in baseball, a lot of talent can get buried on a bench. Depth is great, but no so much fun for the guys sitting down.

   The USAS and ODAC play pretty darned good baseball, lots  of nice facilities all around, and it should be a fun year to watch in both leagues.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 04, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
I agree with Hokieone, please take this outside.  Speaking of transfers NCWC has some Juco transfers on the team.  The last time we had this many JUCO guys we won the series in 99.  Just a little observation.  But we have Eastern Mennonite and Salsibury State this weekend.  Game against SSU should be a good early season test. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 04, 2009, 10:11:57 AM
Definitely a tough trip down south for the Seagulls.  VWC and then NCWC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 04, 2009, 06:14:57 PM
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on February 04, 2009, 06:00:25 PM

To catfishncwc: Good luck to the Bishops this weekend. I've always been a fan of you guys? Can you guys survive without Pecora and Smith?
Those are two players you just don't replace no matter program you are running.   Though I think NCWC does have some bats in the lineup that will be productive this year but Smith and Pecora numbers are hard to put up. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 04, 2009, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: A.G. on February 04, 2009, 10:11:57 AM
Definitely a tough trip down south for the Seagulls.  VWC and then NCWC.

I know they are facing Bulman ( I will be at the game to see Bulman pitch) on Saturday and I think NCWC will probably go with Moore but that is just a guess at this point. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 04, 2009, 06:17:31 PM
To TheRightHander: You are setting yourself up my man. Don't bite off more than you can chew. Anyways, let's see how you do against Lynchburg. I'll be keeping up with you Michael  Smiley

To hokieone: Great perspective on college baseball at this time. Playing time is the #1 thing in most kid's minds. I agree with everything you've said.

To catfishncwc: Good luck to the Bishops this weekend. I've always been a fan of you guys. Can you guys survive without Pecora and Smith?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 04, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
quaker, i'm not quite sure why you are so persistent with running your mouth. My turn sweetheart, guilford baseball is the worst team in any division three conference. Bite off more than i can chew? Listen here boy, for one You.ve never seen me pitch and two why are you so concerned about GC When the pride punished you last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 04, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
And i hope you do keep an eye on me, personally i hope you keep both in my direction. I could sit here and talk myself up but I'll just wait until saturday night to do that .
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Post by: RichRover on February 04, 2009, 08:24:07 PM
I agree, Pecora and Smith are definately a big loss for NCWC, but I'm interested to see how the JUCO players will impact their team. Secondly, I think Moore is overrated, just my opinion.

I think it will be a good series between GC and LC. People talk about how many players GCs lost, but they've gained alot of talent and it'll be interesting to see how well they mesh together throughout the season. Very excited for this weekend.

I was at the 1st Guilford Greensboro game last year and I'll be honest, it was brutal. Greensboro basically made the entire Guilford staff look like a little league team. I'm not really into either of the two teams, I'm a baseball fan and just stating what I see.

Lastly, I'm definately interested in seeing how the seagulls fare in their first couple of games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2009, 10:10:21 PM
Quote from: SoxMan on February 02, 2009, 06:17:58 PMGreensboro did bring in a lot of guys from other schools who have collegiate innings under their belts.
hasn't this been the case every year for the last 5 or 6 years...gc always seems to have a lot of transfers and new players every year (weren't 7 of the 9 starting position players transfers last year?), and we all know what they've done in conference - they are a solid team with a lot of talent, and there isn't an easy win in the usasac, but let's not go too overboard with the pride quite yet...cnu and ncwc are going to be the teams to beat this year

on another note, tom austin was recently inducted into the fayetteville sports hall of fame (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/1/14/BB_0114095425.aspx)...'bout time
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2009, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on February 04, 2009, 12:51:17 AMThats one thing you'll find out about me, I'm pretty smart. Anyways, the boys down the road at GC must be reading this board often.
...maybe not as smart as you think :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 05, 2009, 12:04:59 AM
To TheRightHander: You've talked enough already man. Put up or shut up. Come Saturday night, I'll either be trashing you or giving you props right here.

To RichRover: I agree with everything you have said. Should be a fun weekend of baseball.

To narch: Despite you correcting my use of the English language  ::), I agree with most everything you have said. I really wasn't trying to start a big controversy, I just stated I hear the same things about Greensboro every year. Every year they "reload" and SHOULD be very good. I'm just tired of it. I like CNU, but I really don't see NCWC as a great team. They are good, but have to replace so so much. Congrats to Coach Austin being inducted into the Fayetteville Sports H.O.F.
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Post by: hokieone on February 05, 2009, 07:03:01 AM
     Congratulations to Coach Austin, a very classy coach.

    NCWC has a great program and I thoroughly enjoy the CNU-NCWC series-always good baseball, excellent coaches and players on both squads, always competitive, lots of friendships between CNU and NCWC players off the field, and NCWC parents are always delightfully friendly. Now if the weather will just cooperate when the Captains visit....
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Post by: SoxMan on February 05, 2009, 10:42:43 AM
I will agree with you narch, the Pride have not proved anything yet. But you can not blame them for having confidence in their team. Everyone should go in to the season with high expectations. The thing I see with this team is the fact that everyone has a desire to win. As you all know there are usually like 2 or 3 guys  on a team that just dont care. And usually this attitude spreads around the team and leads to a disasterous season. Now yes some people might go a little overboard talking about their team but some of the guys from GC started showing up after fightingquaker1 got on a conference board (that they are not in) and said that they are nothing and overrated. So for those of you saying that GC is just on here talking themselves up, I would say they are just defending their team.

-Say Word? ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 05, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
Quote from: hokieone on February 05, 2009, 07:03:01 AM
     Congratulations to Coach Austin, a very classy coach.

    NCWC has a great program and I thoroughly enjoy the CNU-NCWC series-always good baseball, excellent coaches and players on both squads, always competitive, lots of friendships between CNU and NCWC players off the field, and NCWC parents are always delightfully friendly. Now if the weather will just cooperate when the Captains visit....
Thanks for the good words for NCWC makes me feel good that not everyone hates us out their ;)  anyways, in my 12 years being around the USA (Dixie Conference for us vets out here) CNU has the most improved program overall.  Not just the wins but as far as facilities and class they have come a long way.  I remember when we played them in the late 90's they still played on a High School field and now they have one of the best parks in the conference of course Bauer Field is #1.  But they are the program that has come along the most.  This used to be a two team conference.  NCWC and Methodist would battling for 1 & 2 and sometimes Ferrum would be in the mix.  But know this is a wide open conference.  Thanks to teams like CNU. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RichRover on February 05, 2009, 10:49:26 PM
This is James Geosits. My bat will strike you down like cobra.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rlscosta on February 06, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
Who will Salisbury put on the mound against VWC?  Just curious what you all think...NCWC plays a DH against them Sunday and I was just speculating starters.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 06, 2009, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: rlscosta on February 06, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
Who will Salisbury put on the mound against VWC?  Just curious what you all think...NCWC plays a DH against them Sunday and I was just speculating starters.

I think they are pitching Willey on Saturday.   But I will update that when I get back from the game. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 07, 2009, 09:17:56 PM
I hope you watched the games. Even though we lost the first game we played well as a team and made one error in two games. We hit well and pitched good. As for your concerns about our team.. We'll be straight. ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 07, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
6 Ks 4 Innings against number 14. 5 Hits.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 07, 2009, 10:05:19 PM
I was impressed with what GC brought today.  The kid who threw game two was one of their transfers, Manfro, and he is maybe as good as we will see, certainly early on.  He was probably consistent at 86-87, kept his poise after a shaky first, and held LC pretty much in check before appearing to tire.  It was just a great day to play two!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 07, 2009, 10:14:50 PM
Thank you for that. I appreciate it very much. As for lynchburg. They were the best hitting team I've faced anywhere and wingate's conference is no joke. Richard pitched a great first game. Did everything he was supposed to, they just out hit us. and our bullsen was terrific today too. minimal complaints. Game two we came out swinging and i was just fortunate enough to be pitching for them. Little do i need to say about lynchburg's coach standing me up when i came for an official visit last year. Ha.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 07, 2009, 11:12:55 PM
To TheRightHander: 1-1 start for GC. Have to be honest I'm surprised. A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while I guess  ;D. Good pitching??? The team ERA is 10.29. Thats solid right there. I realize Lynchburg can swing it, but wow...they hit .410 as a team for the 2 games. You left a key part out of your stat line by the way, the 6 earned runs. I hope you pitch against Guilford next weekend. Heck, I'm excited to see anyone on your staff. Looking at the stats, I happened to notice who is leading your hitters in K's. Surprise  :P. 10 am next Saturday cannot come soon enough. I guess we'll see how "straight" GC is...

To A.G.: My boys (Guilford) play GC next weekend. Anyway you could give me a little scouting report? Maybe just strength/weaknesses. Thanks man.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2009, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 07, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
6 Ks 4 Innings against number 14. 5 Hits.
hmm...the official box says 7 hits...and 2 walks and 6 er

a 2.2 whip isn't so hot, nor is a 12.47 era and a .368 baa isn't so good, either...even against a great offensive team like lc

this is nothing personal, mind you...just pointing out the facts
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 07, 2009, 11:31:18 PM
Thank you narch. I'm not the only one who can read a box score.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 07, 2009, 11:44:52 PM
I'm confused....Manfro, do you have 2 names on here? Guilford is 1-0. Thats all I know.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 08, 2009, 12:06:18 AM
No he was signed in under my name so he will have to retype them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 08, 2009, 12:07:44 AM
Oh ok. Cute. Are you two dating?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 08, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
Oh I am sorry I have a roomate and that no one likes you so they refuse to room with you...its okay someone might like you one day
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 08, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Rivalries are one thing, trash talk is another.  Doesn't really belong on this board in my opinion.  Much nicer to read objective game reports....

But it sounds like Greensboro is restocked.  Should be an interesting season in the USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 08, 2009, 11:06:49 AM
vabaseball, I really don't agree with you. If you want objective game reports, go to the school's website. If you want "trash talk" and bulletin board material, go to a message board. But I do respect your opinion. I'll try my best not to get too personal.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 08, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
I have been sitting and watching some of the things that fightingquaker1 has been saying and its far more than obvious he is a player from guilford. If that is the case, good for him. You are 1-0.

Hooray, you won on opening day behind another disasterous performance by your pitching staff. Guilford can surely swing it but if they don't clean up there pitching staff anytime soon, it looks like their record will be as solitary as their mascot.

Dont hate on greensboro college baseball either, they have atleast been to a conference championship in the past 10 years. They have a tough lineup and some guys that can throw the ball well. I am not a fan of either team but you need to seriously consider history and facts when you come at others on this board.
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Post by: TheRightHander on February 08, 2009, 12:19:14 PM
Agreed high heat. And i apologize for forgetting to sign onto my name soxman. However Quaker Sounds like a nervous starter afraid to lose. You never answered my question. What is guildords team era princess? Anyways Greensboro won as a team so again Youre an idiot for trying to call me out but i appreciate it.. Come february 14. We'll see who the better stats. And for me and sox man dating. How old are you. You are ignorant and immature.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 08, 2009, 08:20:09 PM
Hey Quaker, I was just wondering what your team ERA is. Great job today, I caught the last 3 innings. Tremendous effort.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SoxMan on February 08, 2009, 10:37:19 PM
Yes congrats quaker...I do not see you on the boards tonight I wonder why? Maybe it was that 22-5 schlaking you all got tonight today. But whenever you want to get back on here and talk crap to manfro Im guessing this will come up at some point.
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Post by: Dirtybird on February 08, 2009, 11:02:44 PM
I have been reading what fightingquaker has been saying along with the righthander. Fightingquaker is immature to be coming on to a board where you do not belong and start stiring things up. Last I checked Guilford gave up 40 runs in 2 games. I must say that is amazing! As to the righthander, quaker said you were manfro and I watched you at the game on saturday and I must say Greensboro is going to be pretty tough this year. You and Allred did not seem to have your best stuff, but it is tough to start off the season with a great hitting team like Lynchburg. Greensboro seems to have a lot of potential in the bats and a fairly strong bullpen. Judging by your first two games the only thing you guys need is your middle relief. It might just have been a bad game because it is only the first 2 games of the season. If your bats come along and your starting pitchers give you strong efforts every game Greensboro could be the team to beat this year! Good luck to everyone this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BuchNasty on February 09, 2009, 12:18:13 AM
I would love to know what position you play Quaker...so I can smash a ball into your face so bad that you're mother won't recognize you. We're gonna spank yall so bad this Saturday that you're gonna need stitches to close up that wound. Don't worry about my bat, I'll be the one dropping b to the ombs. Buchman out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 09, 2009, 12:56:47 AM
real classy buchman, why does everyone have to get personal on here
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 09, 2009, 07:46:29 AM
Okay Fighting Quaker and Company.  Fortunately Guilford is not in the USA South and Greensboro is not the only team in the USA South.  The difference between last season and this season on this board, is that no players were posting last year.  They were showing how good they were on the field not on a message board.

There was plenty of partisanship, don't get me wrong.  But there weren't any childish personal attacks.

GO CNU!
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Post by: A.G. on February 09, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
LC plays at Averett on Tuesday.  Even though Averett played back-to-back DH this weekend, Hildreth did not pitch at all.  I guess that means they were holding him back for LC.  Should make for a very good game down in Danville on Tuesday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 09, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
First off That's not buch. Second we will destroy guilford just like every other team they face. And finally. If  "Buchnasty" is a pride player we will handle the situation as a team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 09, 2009, 03:13:22 PM
why don't you all start your own Quaker vs. Pride thread.  Stop ruining this board.  This used to be a nice place to talk about South Region Baseball. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 09, 2009, 03:36:28 PM
actually i think it is Buchman. ha. But ya who cares cat fish. It's all fun and games stop complaining
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 09, 2009, 04:46:16 PM
well righthander and "buchnasty" good job just getting it with the guy who knows the most about this board. and grat job trying to get to the next level when you are coming at guys who scout for the braves. hey catfish, narch, a.g, etc....how do we boot these guys off of here? is that possible
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Post by: hokieone on February 09, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
Real smart talking trash to a pro scout gentlemen.

   Back in the real world, is it great to have games going or what? I caught some of Lynchburg-Greensboro on Greensboro's video-cast-very cool. I had live stats on one side, and the video on the other.  NCWC's web cast wasn't working when I tried it.

    Hopefully CNU will add that feature as well, although Live Stats is nice. We attend most games so the videocast won't do much for me, but folks back home like it.

  Ignore the trash talking-Guilford isn't in our conference anyway. Maybe they'll take it to their board.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirtybird on February 09, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
Yes I agree we need to stop all these petty jabs. Quaker do not post on here unless are going to talk about a game or team from the USAC. This does not mean talking crap about Greensboro. RightHander and SoxMan need to cool it with jabbing back at Quaker. Everyone knows Greensboro is better than them so why keep talking about it. Buchnasty I just hope your post was a joke because no one should be that dimwitted. Lets get back down to the basics and talk about USA South baseball. On the USAC baseball subject how is everyone's team looking this weekend with their matchups?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 09, 2009, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Dirtybird on February 09, 2009, 05:20:10 PM
Yes I agree we need to stop all these petty jabs. Quaker do not post on here unless are going to talk about a game or team from the USAC. This does not mean talking crap about Greensboro. RightHander and SoxMan need to cool it with jabbing back at Quaker. Everyone knows Greensboro is better than them so why keep talking about it. Buchnasty I just hope your post was a joke because no one should be that dimwitted. Lets get back down to the basics and talk about USA South baseball. On the USAC baseball subject how is everyone's team looking this weekend with their matchups?
We have a couple of tough games against the always tough Bridgewater and the up and coming RMC team.  I think this weekend will be all about pitching matchups.  I think any of teams that can get out of this weekend 2-1 would be having a pretty good weekend. 
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Post by: narch on February 09, 2009, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 09, 2009, 04:46:16 PMhey catfish, narch, a.g, etc....how do we boot these guys off of here? is that possible
i imagine that the reality of greensboro baseball will set in eventually, and they'll stop talking as much...or the gc coaching staff will exert a little control and reel them in

Quote from: catfishncwc on February 09, 2009, 03:13:22 PMStop ruining this board.  This used to be a nice place to talk about South Region Baseball.
ditto
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 09, 2009, 10:08:12 PM
salisbury is on a roll with the beating they put on virginia and north carolina wesleyan this year. i know its early, but this could be the year of the Sea Gull. they have two guys that will head the rotation and a solid lineup. any guesses on who could be the first one to give SU their first "L" this season?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 09, 2009, 10:10:59 PM
narch, don't you think a real rivalry should at least have some level of respect.  I mean I really hated Methodist but I could never deny they had some greats team when I played. I am sure that Methodist players would have said the same thing. This Guilford vs. Greensboro thing just seems petty.  

Question to our g-boro and guilford people out there, have you ever faced each other in a truly meaningful game like a  NCAA regional game in your storied rivalry?  Or is this just a rivalry based on being in the same city.  I have very little knowledge on this rivalry so excuse my ignorance.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 09, 2009, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 09, 2009, 10:08:12 PM
salisbury is on a roll with the beating they put on virginia and north carolina wesleyan this year. i know its early, but this could be the year of the Sea Gull. they have two guys that will head the rotation and a solid lineup. any guesses on who could be the first one to give SU their first "L" this season?

they were very impressive this weekend when I saw them against VWC, then they followed with good wins against NCWC.  I think they may be the team to beat in the south this year.  That lineup looked nice with Celenza and then Ryan Smith (transfer from UVA and Notre Dame) back to back.  They will be a handful.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2009, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 09, 2009, 10:10:59 PM
narch, don't you think a real rivalry should at least have some level of respect.  I mean I really hated Methodist but I could never deny they had some greats team when I played. I am sure that Methodist players would have sound the thing.
i think you're exactly spot-on...mutual respect is a big part of the mu/ncwc baseball rivalry, if you ask me - there is great disdain for one another, but it's tempered by respect and admiration...of course, i'm sure the monarchs have a twinge of jealousy, as well, since ncwc has two of those really nice rings and the monarchs haven't managed to win theirs...yet
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Post by: BuchNasty on February 10, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
It's a city thing, they're about 5 miles down the road. But I honestly don't see the problem in smack talk, I don't know why yall are getting your panties in a bunch. It's great for the rivalry, it'll make the game a hell of alot funner to play, especially when we walk all over them. If you don't like what the post says, skip over it and stop crying. I know that both teams are gonna be hyped up to play this weekend, alot of which will be caused by this message board. It may even bring more fans out. Weekend prediction 21-7 GBORO. Buchman out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 10, 2009, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 10, 2009, 10:36:47 AM
Ok, if that is the way you would like it Buchman, then I will give you a little input of my own.

You struck out 26 times last year in 119 at-bats, for a ratio of one strikeout in almost ever 3 at-bats. OK.

You had a .847 fielding percentage and had among the most errors on the team.

So, please stop acting like such a big dog and play the game. Your language and ranting ability is not impressive, it just further justifies why you couldn't hack ball at the Division II level.

Was all of this really nessesary to make such a point? Just sayin
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Post by: TheRightHander on February 10, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
those are some impressive stats buchnasty.... lets not do that this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 10, 2009, 06:40:14 PM
I think randolph macon is the team to beat this weekend by watching reading and listening.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BuchNasty on February 10, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
First off, anyone who knows a lick about baseball knows that generally a HR hitter strikes out alot. Teams keep them in the lineup because even though they'll strike out alot, they'll also drop bombs, which is what I do. Sure, I may strike out, but I'll also tank the next one 500 feet. How about you come out and watch me there big guy instead of just reading stats. I'm not running my mouth, I just know that I'm a great hitter. You'll see...You'll all see.

Second, Randolph Macon sounds like the best team in the ODAC. They won it last year right?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 10, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: BuchNasty on February 10, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
First off, anyone who knows a lick about baseball knows that generally a HR hitter strikes out alot. Teams keep them in the lineup because even though they'll strike out alot, they'll also drop bombs, which is what I do. Sure, I may strike out, but I'll also tank the next one 500 feet. How about you come out and watch me there big guy instead of just reading stats. I'm not running my mouth, I just know that I'm a great hitter. You'll see...You'll all see.

Second, Randolph Macon sounds like the best team in the ODAC. They won it last year right?

If you were hitting it 500 hundred feet you wouldnt be hangin round these parts. And its nice to see some humility from such an acomplished hitter, have fun at war memorial.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 10, 2009, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: BuchNasty on February 10, 2009, 07:23:14 PM


Second, Randolph Macon sounds like the best team in the ODAC. They won it last year right?

Between them and Lynchburg I would think.  They won the conference tourney, but lynchburg was the regular season champ.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 10, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
I like to see how NCWC rebounds this week vs. two tough opponents in Bridgewater and Randolph Macon Saturday.  Offense looked morbid vs. Salisbury with only Creef, Woodlief and Rahm having consistent at bats this entire weekend.

CNU has a tough match-up vs Hampden Sydney Thursday to start their season.  True test for the 2-0 Tigers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 10, 2009, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: BuchNasty on February 10, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
First off, anyone who knows a lick about baseball knows that generally a HR hitter strikes out alot. Teams keep them in the lineup because even though they'll strike out alot, they'll also drop bombs, which is what I do. Sure, I may strike out, but I'll also tank the next one 500 feet. How about you come out and watch me there big guy instead of just reading stats. I'm not running my mouth, I just know that I'm a great hitter. You'll see...You'll all see.

Second, Randolph Macon sounds like the best team in the ODAC. They won it last year right?


Are you serious with this? Lets bring in the scouts from all over the place, Brad Buchman says he drops bombs 500 feet.

Two things: 1. Way to set yourself up for failure and put a nice fat bullseye on your back and 2. Again, are you serious with this?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BuchNasty on February 11, 2009, 01:10:48 AM
I love the haters, tell me I can't so when I do, I can shove it in your face. Come out to the game this saturday to see the laser show.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 11, 2009, 07:21:27 AM
This neighborhood used to be such a nice place to visit...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 11, 2009, 07:52:32 AM
    A.G., true, so true. 

  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I missed it, but in the entire history of baseball, nobody has gotten a hit or won a game on a web site. While good teams don't necessarily need material to tape on their locker room wall to get up for a game, it's pretty silly to give somebody any emotional ammunition. My high school football coach was the master of "poor mouth"- we could be playing a team made up of retired nuns but he'd talk as though they were the best thing he'd ever seen.

Learn to poor mouth young men: (1) It's kind of fun, (2) it avoids becoming locker room material, (3) it breed humility, a very endearing trait for an athlete.   True confidence doesn't have to talk. Good luck to all, and of course, Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 11, 2009, 09:48:57 AM
Buchman.. Stop running your mouth. Seriously.. Youre gonna give GC an even worse rep. There will be no lazer show and there is no way in hell 6 Of us have potential to play pro ball. Ya we are good but if had that kind of potential half our players wouldn't have came to division three from our D2 and D1 Schools. It will be a fun weekend to play ball. By the way.. No one on our team has ever hit it 500 Feet. Manfro out. Hahaa.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2009, 01:50:47 PM
theodore roosevelt would be very disappointed in the gc players, especially mr. buchman...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RayJayBall on February 12, 2009, 12:38:21 PM
New to the board, hello everyone. Just reading the past few pages to catch up on things, and Buchman and Manfro are the two biggest jokes ive ever heard of. Manfro looks like he is 16 and should be bagging groceries at Food Lion as a part time clerk. Ive never heard anyone talk like Bushman, Lazor show pffff lol, your a double transfer wannabe. Just be quiet and play your senior year, hit .295 with 2 homeruns and 14 rbis. while your team finishes barely above .500.

To all the adults here: what other matchups in the south look good this weekend besides the usa south odac tournament?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 12, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
Whats funny here with your first post, in which i must say is a nice touch, for all you adults, im pretty sure if you were an adult you wouldnt pay any attention to a sixteen year old look alike and a wannabe, just a thought, another player bashing on the board really cool.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2009, 01:17:49 PM
my iq drops 2 points every time i read this board - at this rate i'll have a negative iq by the end of the season...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 12, 2009, 01:53:05 PM
I really am looking forward to seeing the results of the NC Wesleyan/Randolph Macon game on Saturday. I think the two teams are pretty well matched and it should be a good one to see considering its probably going to be Moore vs. Mendenhall.

Other games that are appealing are:

1. Methodist's season opener in Texas. Their second game vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor will be particularly interesting.

2. Salis. vs. Stevens Tech in a twin bill. Can SU stay THAT hot?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RayJayBall on February 12, 2009, 02:21:08 PM
I saw that Methodist has a pretty tough trip out in Texas and Im not real familiar with Stevens Tech but Salisbury seems to have what it takes to keep on winning.

and to narch and usafan i just wrote some things because i thought it was ridiculous what they were saying. I i thought my comparisons were funny, oh well. I will strictly talk baseball from now on.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 12, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
The regional rematch between CNU and Lynchburg on Saturday should be a doozie.  CNU is picked to win its league and LC appears to have another high-powered offense.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 12, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
CNU Captains over Hampden Sydney 11-4.

Josh Brinkman went 5 innings in a nice start.  Freshmen started at 2B and behind the plate. Multi-hit game for Eric Cole, including a homerun.  Triples by Parker Neal and Mike Giarrizzi.  Lots of hitting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:33:35 PM
rayjay Is an idiot. Obviously jealous of my handsom boyish looks. I'm assuming since quaker is no longer around and i found the password to Buchnasty which may i add was not brad. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there three people are actually the same person. If not i stand corrected but no need to say i should be bagging your food because Youre scared of losing to our team. Youre probably gay.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
New to the board and you already know what i look like.. Hmm.. Maybe I'll get a candygraham from my secret admirer! :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:46:46 PM
finish barely .500? Again another ignorant comment when Greensboro hasn't been barely .500 in yearS
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:51:04 PM
Quaker nice to see you.. You never answered my question. What's your teams ERA?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 12, 2009, 09:58:43 PM
Methodist got handled by McMurry U. in Texas 9-4.  Elliot Bisplinghoff got the loss as he pitched four innings and surrendered seven runs.  Tough start as they get University of Mary Hardin-Baylor next.  As for this weekend hoping NCWC gets back on track against Bridgewater. 

Looks like they baseball Gods are calling for rain from 7AM to Noon on Saturday. Not sure what happens to the games...are they all 9 inning gamesin the USAC/ODAC Challenge?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2009, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:46:46 PM
finish barely .500? Again another ignorant comment when Greensboro hasn't been barely .500 in yearS
...aside from the 20-20 finish in 2007, right?

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
New to the board and you already know what i look like.. Hmm.. Maybe I'll get a candygraham from my secret admirer! :)
...well, your picture is on the gc website, little guy

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:33:35 PM
rayjay Is an idiot....Youre probably gay.
your intellectual prowess is impressive - people who resort to such name-calling are typically not that bright...i suggest you stop while you're ahead and just pitch
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2009, 10:14:49 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 12, 2009, 09:58:43 PM
Methodist got handled by McMurry U. in Texas 9-4.  Elliot Bisplinghoff got the loss as he pitched four innings and surrendered seven runs.  Tough start as they get University of Mary Hardin-Baylor next.  As for this weekend hoping NCWC gets back on track against Bridgewater. 
MCM moves to 1-3 on the season with the win, but they are a solid ball club - the rest of the weekend doesn't get any easier for the monarchs, but i'm glad to see them making that trip...i'm sure it's a great experience for the team - proctor did hit a 3 run shot in the loss, but bisp got knocked around pretty good
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 10:34:17 PM
Sure thing ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2009, 11:02:02 PM
Quote from: narch on February 12, 2009, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:46:46 PM
finish barely .500? Again another ignorant comment when Greensboro hasn't been barely .500 in yearS
...aside from the 20-20 finish in 2007, right?

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
New to the board and you already know what i look like.. Hmm.. Maybe I'll get a candygraham from my secret admirer! :)
...well, your picture is on the gc website, little guy

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 12, 2009, 08:33:35 PM
rayjay Is an idiot....Youre probably gay.
your intellectual prowess is impressive - people who resort to such name-calling are typically not that bright...i suggest you stop while you're ahead and just pitch

Narch vs GC....."Classic" :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 13, 2009, 04:41:09 PM
CNU should have a good couple games this weekend. Greensboro and CNU should be fighting for conference champs at the end of the year. RMC is going to be the toughest team Greensboro plays this weekend; Bridgewater is gonna be no joke either. Should be an exciting weekend~!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 13, 2009, 05:29:56 PM
This is seriously getting ridiculous righthander. Seriously, just shut your mouth. I think everyone is about fed up with your childish antics. You are at-best an average Division III player, so there is no need to be running your mouth to others.

Narch, do you think Austin can rally the boys? I think even though MC is 1-3, it still is a great learning experience. The schedule they are playing down there should help them out for the slaughter they are going to put on Manfro and company in Greensboro. I know you have to be just as fed up as I am with these greensboro baseball players.

CNU, how is Bailey's frame looking this year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2009, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 13, 2009, 05:29:56 PMNarch, do you think Austin can rally the boys? I think even though MC is 1-3, it still is a great learning experience. The schedule they are playing down there should help them out for the slaughter they are going to put on Manfro and company in Greensboro. I know you have to be just as fed up as I am with these greensboro baseball players.
mu is actually 0-1 right now...mcmurry (who beat mu yesterday) is 1-3 (with 2 losses to chapman) - this is a fantastic experience for the monarchs
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 13, 2009, 07:00:43 PM
Man Highheat tells us how you really feel. Now to address what i think about MU'S trip and this whole "great for the guys expierence." If your looking for a moral victory then sure awesome congrats, but at the end of the day for those players and coaches the only thing that should matter is the W's and L's that come from their games out there anything short of a winning record coming home in my mind is a failure.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 13, 2009, 10:26:58 PM
=D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
the monarchs lost 8-7 to umhb today...in 13 innings

mu had runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs when betterly flied out to end the game

mu made SIX errors today...only 3 of the runs were earned, according to livestats

tough 0-2 start...mu plays 2 on saturday...a sweep would sure put a nice spin on the weekend :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 13, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
Quote from: narch on February 13, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
the monarchs lost 8-7 to umhb today...in 13 innings

mu had runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs when betterly flied out to end the game

mu made SIX errors today...only 3 of the runs were earned, according to livestats

tough 0-2 start...mu plays 2 on saturday...a sweep would sure put a nice spin on the weekend :)
Narch I think we started 1-3 in 98 but then we went on a 18 game winning streak.  So a 0-2 start is not the end of the world.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on February 14, 2009, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 13, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
Quote from: narch on February 13, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
the monarchs lost 8-7 to umhb today...in 13 innings

mu had runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs when betterly flied out to end the game

mu made SIX errors today...only 3 of the runs were earned, according to livestats

tough 0-2 start...mu plays 2 on saturday...a sweep would sure put a nice spin on the weekend :)
Narch I think we started 1-3 in 98 but then we went on a 18 game winning streak.  So a 0-2 start is not the end of the world.
The MU/UMHB games are not in-region anyway. No harm done.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 14, 2009, 10:52:08 AM
At best an average division three pitcher... and still promise on beating your team single handedly.. Sorry but tell me somethin i don't know... Oh thanks for the publicity :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 14, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
Further the point, whats the point of out of region games, they cant get you those crucial in region points for the win that it always has come down to for those select teams come the end of the year on the bubble...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 14, 2009, 02:11:39 PM
Captains over Lynchburg in 11 innings, 6-5.  Just listened to the end of the game over the internet.  Lynchburg had about 14 hits.  Captains had 10 or so.  Mike Giarrizi picks up the win with a 1-2-3 11th inning.  Kyle Baumann had a decent start against a team that can pound the ball.

Doubleheader tomorrow against Gwynnedd-Mercy
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 14, 2009, 03:48:26 PM
I dont agree with your USAS, I believe that what Methodist is doing in Texas is great for its program.

1. They are playing quality competition.
2. Its very early in the season.
3. Its a great learning experience.
4. Heck, they may see these guys later down the road and by playing them before, it can only prepare them for later.
5. Wouldn't you like to be in Texas right now? How many other teams can say they did that?

Anymore updates on the USAS/ODAC challenge?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 14, 2009, 08:12:25 PM
Well, sorry for being gone for a week. Family vacation planned long ago....anyways, I see Greensboro blew a huge lead to Bridgewater in the 9th. Looking at the box score, looks like GC might have gone home a little early tonight. Great job Pride. Keep it up!!!   :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 14, 2009, 11:23:32 PM
monarchs win 2 today (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/2/14/BB_0214094207.aspx)...bats exploded in game 1, and pitching was stellar as mu won 13-0 over UT - frosh mahaffey threw a gem, going 7 and giving up 2 hits...i've heard good things about him, and he backed it up today - mu finished the day with a 7-6 win over whittier and tre britt scattered (sarcasm intended) 13 hits over 6.2 innings - most importantly...2 errors in 2 games for mu...way to rebound boys!

i think highheat is on the mark re: these games...sure, the oor games might come back to haunt mu, but perhaps the bonding and team chemistry that a trip to play QUALITY baseball teams in texas provides will propel the monarchs...plus it's a cool recruiting tool and i'm sure it was a lot of fun (especially since they salvaged a split with 2 wins today)

oh, and proctor hit two bombs on the day...has 3 on the season...i'm sure they were all 500 foot lasers :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 01:26:23 AM
http://www.ascsports.org/News/baseball/2009/1/27/ASC_BASEBALL_PRESEASON09.asp?path=baseball

Narch, I hope that your families had fun in Abilene this weekend.

McMurry and UMHB are scheduled to finish 1-2 in the West.

UTD may be picked a little low if Coach Shewmake can find some pitching.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: narch on February 14, 2009, 11:23:32 PM


i think highheat is on the mark re: these games...sure, the oor games might come back to haunt mu, but perhaps the bonding and team chemistry that a trip to play QUALITY baseball teams in texas provides will propel the monarchs...plus it's a cool recruiting tool and i'm sure it was a lot of fun (especially since they salvaged a split with 2 wins today)

How many OOR games will Methodist play this season anyway?  It is no difference than a Pennsylvania or a NJAC team coming south in March to play OOR in the USAC.  I appreciate Methodist coming to Abilene.  Chapman and Marietta keep coming back every spring.  I hope the USA South teams will, too.

oh, and proctor hit two bombs on the day...has 3 on the season...i'm sure they were all 500 foot lasers :)

Nah!  Not 500'!  They went 5' beyond the fence and into the netting!  :D
(http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/2/14/BB_0214094207.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 01:59:52 AM
One strategic benefit to playing the Texas teams for MU is that these games are against quality opponents, but the outcomes don't hurt you.  You can experiment with your lineups on these games.

You know that you will play quality programs, that you can follow thru the season, and maybe the benefit comes when a team needs some secondary criteria, like a McMurry or a UMHB or a Whittier being a regionally ranked opponent in the selection or bracketing process.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2009, 09:26:12 AM
ralph - thanks for the link to the asc pre-season polls - the three asc teams mu played this weekend were, on average, 26-16 last year and those 3 teams got 38% of the first place votes in the asc - while whittier had just 15 wins last year, they beat the #2 team in the country (chapman) 2 out of 3 to start this season...good competition, for sure
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 15, 2009, 01:01:34 PM
hey quaker, before you talk...tell me how your pitching staff's era is over 10?

is it true that guilford doesnt have a pitching coach?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 15, 2009, 01:01:34 PM
hey quaker, before you talk...tell me how your pitching staff's era is over 10?
they pitched well enough to hold down the vaunted gc offense today in a 3-2 win...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 15, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
Lord knows we've been hearing enough about the Greensboro offense in the last few days....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 15, 2009, 06:29:17 PM
After reading the posts I missed while I was gone, I've come to one conclusion. HighHeat is an idiot. Straight up....all he does is bicker and talk people down. Anyways, my boys beat GC earlier today. And TheRightHander a.k.a. Manfro was on the mound. Got to give it to you, you pitched very well. Came up just short. I guess you're used to that being 5 foot nothing...haha. GC has been talking all preseason about that powerful offense. Finally, the Quakers shut them up. Stay proud Pride  ::)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 15, 2009, 07:03:59 PM
Quaker.. I shoved it down your teams throat for six innings. We didn't hit I'll admit that. We lacked offense the first game but we came back and beat RMC By 11. And for the blown lead in the ninth against bridgewater.. Again I'll admit we gave up. We thought we had it wrapped up but our bullpen wasn't as stellar as they should have been. Oh.. And for five foot nothing comment.. Cute.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 15, 2009, 07:56:54 PM
VWC all over Neumann today. The Marlins take two from Neumann on strong outings from Bulman and Baker. CJ Rhodes and company swung the bats quite well.

Hey quaker, if you are such a real man...what is your real identity? Its pretty obvious that you play for Guilford. Just give us an insight of who you. I mean you being such a tough guy.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 15, 2009, 08:08:56 PM
i think its  brian bialecki, or however you spell it, but i could be wrong
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 15, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
righthander, great outing today by the way. 6 innings of solid work. as a team, thats all you can hope for in an outing by a starting pitcher. and for the comment that was laid on you about size, that was ridiculous. last time i checked, a pitchers heart was much more important than his size.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 15, 2009, 11:16:33 PM
Quaker, highheat is correct its clear that your a player a no body, and if you were you wouldnt be coming on here to bash or brag, so i hope you enjoy your emotional high while your picking splinters out of your backside.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 16, 2009, 12:12:54 AM
just some information so quaker doesn't go blow an O ring.
Guilford Team BA Prior to Greensboro Game, .393
Alex Phetteplace held them to a .250 BA for innings 8-9
I held them the quakers to a .227 BA for innings 1-6

even though you found a way to win, all I'm saying is that they can't hit good pitching.

ALSO, giving up 59 runs in 5 games... you have to try to do that.
averaging 11.8 runs per game with a team ERA of 7.0....(not including the Infinite ERA by Montalbano)

not quite sure quaker but i think this means that your defense gives up almost 5 unearned runs a game...
good job.


we'll take a good look at your record at the end of march....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 16, 2009, 05:53:41 AM
okay for the sake of some variety I am reporting on a couple other teams.

Byron Mendenhall (RMC) shut down NC Wesleyan through several innings and the Yellow Jackets ended up with a 7-5 win over NCWC.

CNU took 2 from Gynwedd-Mercy yesterday, but I can't get info on the games.  CNU lost internet access on Saturday evening and still doesn 't have it back.  A cable was cut or something.   Anyway, they are off to a 4-0 start and they didn't have that kind of start last year.  Moreland is gone, but the pitching staff seems to be doing it'sjob.

(I know this post isn't as fun to read as the trashing of your fellow players, but I thought I would post a few reports anyway)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: JAF on February 16, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on February 16, 2009, 05:53:41 AM
okay for the sake of some variety I am reporting on a couple other teams.

Byron Mendenhall (RMC) shut down NC Wesleyan through several innings and the Yellow Jackets ended up with a 7-5 win over NCWC.

CNU took 2 from Gynwedd-Mercy yesterday, but I can't get info on the games.  CNU lost internet access on Saturday evening and still doesn 't have it back.  A cable was cut or something.   Anyway, they are off to a 4-0 start and they didn't have that kind of start last year.  Moreland is gone, but the pitching staff seems to be doing it'sjob.

(I know this post isn't as fun to read as the trashing of your fellow players, but I thought I would post a few reports anyway)


Thanks for the "variety"!!!!!

www.cnusports.com is still working and you can get info on yesterdays games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 16, 2009, 08:49:35 AM
Hey JAF, thanks for the tip on cnusports.  I was going through withdrawals!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 16, 2009, 09:24:27 AM
Greensboro College: 2-3
Guilford College: 4-1

Manfro, you can twist stats around all you want my mind. I'm sure the Washington Nationals had a few stats better than the Red Sox last year, but at the end of the day they're still the Nationals. Just keep working to get that first win Manfro. It will come, you play Averett this year....And if you want a stat here is one to look at: Kyle Wooden is batting .800 through 5 games and already has 28 total bases  :o And the batting average stats for the Guilford game, wow...leave those out why don't you. Your powerful hitting team batted .185 off Adam Hart through 7 innings and the Quakers batted a respectable .263 against you...keep picking out those stats that favor the midgets...I mean the Pride  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 16, 2009, 09:54:25 AM
You act like i care.. You are narrow minded and immature. Just play baseball.. Or watch since i'm assuming you haven't felt th dirt this year. You keep talkin about midgets like i couldn't tear you to pieces. Like i said before..We'll see who has the better record in 5 Weeks.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 16, 2009, 10:03:58 AM
Where you on the bench last year when you gave up almost 28 total bases to one kid in one game last year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 16, 2009, 10:05:08 AM
Righthander...I wouldn't even give him the time of day. The kid (yes, kid) is riding a high right now and highs can only last for so long. He was quiet for a few days after the beating they took from Piedmont in the second game of the year.

Let's look at it this way...If he is a pitcher on that staff, it says something to be excited about winning and giving up 59 runs in 5 games. A performance should be evaluated on how well you threw and not by the win/loss decision. In your case against Guilford on Saturday, that is what you should do. I know its frustrating listening to that little bird believe me.

But, again if you give up 59 runs in 5 games and you have to find something to be excited about, I guess you can say that you've won four games and to Guilford's credit, they have.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 16, 2009, 10:39:46 AM
I appreciate that highheat. :) and quaker.. If it makes you feel better by making fun of my height, when in all reality 5'8'' really isn't that short, by alt means go for it. First word that comes to mind i jealousy. Five foot nothin but the gun said 87-90 yesterday... I'm done with your childish antics.. I have more to worry about than some remedial bench warmer. We'll meet again at new bridge bank.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: JAF on February 16, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 16, 2009, 10:05:08 AM
A performance should be evaluated on how well you threw and not by the win/loss decision.

But, again if you give up 59 runs in 5 games and you have to find something to be excited about, I guess you can say that you've won four games and to Guilford's credit, they have.

Sorry but I have to respond to this.

I'm now an old man who has played & watched alot of baseball in my time and over the years I've always thought that the object of the game was for your team to score more runs than the other team. Somewhere along the way I must have missed it when the game changed and now it no longer matters if your team wins or loses it's just about how well you play as an individual.

I know that professional sports and even some high level college teams with legitimate
pro prospects have evolved into an "it's all about me game". I was holding out hope that D-III sports were still pure and a team game but it's obvious by reading these post over the last week or so on this board that I was very wrong.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 16, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
I am sorry if I didn't phrase that right...For an individual performance as a pitcher, you must base your performance on how well you throw. Heres an example for you and tell me which you would feel better about from from an INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE standpoint.

a. You throw six innings and give up two earned runs and are tagged as the loser in the game as your team loses 3-2.

or

b. You throw six innings and give up nine earned runs and are credited with the win as your team outscores the opposition 13-9.

I think you are out of your mind if you do not think that the first situation is better. From a team standpoint, it is about the wins and losses. But, as a player, you should not judge it like that. You base yourself by your performance. You should stand by your performance from an individual standpoint.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirtybird on February 16, 2009, 12:48:10 PM
Hmmm seems a little weird that Guilford gets demolished by Piedmont and quaker disappears for a week. All these new names start popping up and getting deleted trashing Greensboro. Guilford wins then all of a sudden quaker is back and talking again. If your going to have week long "vacations" every time Guilford loses and come back when they win people are go get tired of you real quick. I was at the Guilford-Greensboro game and I have to say Manfro and Hart pitched great games. Looking at Harts stats and talking to some of the fans sounds to me like it was his best career game. Hats off to him. But judging by the pounding GC gave RMC it looks like it was abnormal for them. It was an exciting game though.

As to JAF it is true that it is about wins but everyone knows that baseball will eventually even out and giving up more than 10 runs a game will come back and bite you.

To quaker enjoy your start while you can because if you all keep giving up 10 runs a game you probably will not win many more.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 16, 2009, 01:48:24 PM
Not that I am really interested in all the bashing going on this site, so I figure I give out a few reports on NCWC's forgetable weekend at Greensboro.
1. On the 12-10 lost to Guilford, I was extremely impressed with the way John, Wooten and Starbuck swong their bats.  They have given up 59 runs in 5 games, so I am not sure how long their offense will keep carrying them, but heir bats are for real!  The actually hit good pitching, so my hat's off to the Quakers.  Killer was us leaving 10 men on base.
2.  Sunday AM we lost to Randolph Macon 7-5.  Mendenhall was cruising along and mowing down ours hitters, although it looked like he wasn't throwing real hard, but very effective, until our SS Rahm laced a lined drive off him and he did not come back for the 7th.  Not sure if that was the reason why, but the kid threw real well.  After that their pitching fell apart and we couldn't capitalize in the many opportunities in the last 3 innings.
3. Sunday PM, we played at beautiful New Bridge Bank Park and John Sinclair did a good job on the mound for the Eagles until he tired in the 7th.  Again our offense did not get going until the 7th, which is way too late.  Too bad we wasted 2 HR's by Zollie Woodlief, whose playing really well...

My two cents, from watching all 3 games, is starting pitching is staying in too long. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2009, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 16, 2009, 09:54:25 AMYou act like i care.
if you don't care, why do you continue to post and respond to him?

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 15, 2009, 07:03:59 PMI shoved it down your teams throat - We didn't hit - We lacked offense - for the blown lead in the ninth against bridgewater...we gave up - our bullpen wasn't as stellar as they should have been.
i'm sure your teammates are really excited to read the statements above...they might be 100% accurate, but whatever happened to humility and loyalty to teammates? you sure seem very willing to praise yourself and bash your teammates, even when your performance doesn't warrant praise (ie: the lynchburg game)

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 16, 2009, 09:54:25 AMJust play baseball.
i think you should follow your own advice...

please don't take this personally...if you were a monarch player, i might be calling you out even more - i'm trying to do you a favor by telling you to let your game speak for itself...you're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole with almost every post (not to mention the fact that this board is becoming less and less enjoyable with every post by you and your cronies)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 16, 2009, 02:55:58 PM
NARCH - thanks for coming to that conclusion but my teammates know how i am and how i am about the game of baseball, as well as our win loss record. they know they did not play up to par and for you to criticize me for giving my teammates constructive criticism is wrong. you are wrong.
i dont care what quaker says to be honest with you, good for them this weekend. they can all be happy they went on a winning streak for the first time in years. i continue to post on this board because i am a competitive player and want noting more than for myself and my team to perform at their max and maybe getting under their skin a little bit helps to achieve that goal.

my teammates are were so excited i pitched how i did.. you think i was the only player on the pride that wanted to "shove it".. we wanted to win.. if it was about simply bashing each other and fighting i would have hit the first batter in the mouth.

and i am following my own advice, "just play baseball." I pitched my ass off and as a team we could not win. that won't happen very often.

oh and the lynchburg game. not saying i am full of excuses but that was my first start as a pitcher in 3 years and in 07-08 i didnt even play baseball... so for me to pitch well enough against lynchburg to allow my team to win was a huge accomplishment for me and my team..

but i appreciate your concern about everything. =)

get over yourself, you too quaker..


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2009, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 13, 2009, 05:29:56 PM


CNU, how is Bailey's frame looking this year?

Not sure. I don't get to many games. Games during the week are played when I'm at work. Many Saturday games are when I work (ugh). I try to make a few games year, but I lost a little interest in baseball once I stopped coaching and then my son stopped playing a few years ago. I'll get it back soon. Of course, a 4-0 start and beating a ranked team always elevates the interest level!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on February 16, 2009, 06:48:19 PM
Looks to me that Bailey has added some muscle...particularly in the lower body...compared to when I saw him last at Regionals last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2009, 11:27:33 PM
Quote from: USAS09FAN on February 16, 2009, 10:03:58 AM
Where you on the bench last year when you gave up almost 28 total bases to one kid in one game last year?
E9  "Were"
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
'nova - with the posts over the last few weeks, it's more like E1 through 9...tough to read, in part because the english language is being hacked to pieces

righthander - you and i just see things differently, my man...i can't imagine being pleased with one of my teammates if they puffed themselves up and bashed me in a public forum such as this, but every team is different - i know that wouldn't fly if you were a monarch...it seems that the team culture at gc is drastically different than it is at mu

re: the lynchburg performance...based on what i've seen here, i've got to believe that if the gc bullpen gave up 6 runs in 4 innings on the back end of one of your games, you'd be chastising them in this forum, rather than hailing it as a triumphant effort - i could be wrong, though...apparently we'll see
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 17, 2009, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
'nova - with the posts over the last few weeks, it's more like E1 through 9...tough to read, in part because the english language is being hacked to pieces
narch - Yes, you're right.  Somehow, that one just struck a chord.  PS  How many guys knew "chord" and not "cord" was the error-free word in this fielder's choice?  lol  It's time to play college ball!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 17, 2009, 08:52:25 AM
on a side note, what happened to the USASAC this past weekend? I was expecting the opposite records from the challenge. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2009, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 17, 2009, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
'nova - with the posts over the last few weeks, it's more like E1 through 9...tough to read, in part because the english language is being hacked to pieces
narch - Yes, you're right.  Somehow, that one just struck a chord.  PS  How many guys knew "chord" and not "cord" was the error-free word in this fielder's choice?  lol  It's time to play college ball!
LOL

+1!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2009, 08:11:00 AM

righthander - you and i just see things differently, my man...i can't imagine being pleased with one of my teammates if they puffed themselves up and bashed me in a public forum such as this, but every team is different - i know that wouldn't fly if you were a monarch...it seems that the team culture at gc is drastically different than it is at mu

re: the lynchburg performance...based on what i've seen here, i've got to believe that if the gc bullpen gave up 6 runs in 4 innings on the back end of one of your games, you'd be chastising them in this forum, rather than hailing it as a triumphant effort - i could be wrong, though...apparently we'll see

first i didnt bash anyone and i apologize if the monarchs are soft and get a pat on the back for messing up.. thats a real good way to better yourself.  you act like im gonna give congrats to my team for blowing a lead and not performing  was all as everyone knows that can. im not the head coach but as an experienced collegiate athlete i feel i am privileged enough to tell a teammate or two to pick it up!! i didnt know baseball turned into a bunch softies...
but i guess the monarchs and pride look at the game of baseball differently
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 17, 2009, 01:11:14 PM
Righthander, you have earned a lot of respect from me lately for defending yourself on here. But, that being said, I would stop with throwing other teams under the bus. It is only going to cause you issues that you dont want to deal with. Let you throwing on the field do the talking for you. You are a talented pitcher and let that be enough to shut the other team up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PMfirst i didnt bash anyone
so calling out your teammates in a public forum isn't bashing them...ok, i can agree with that - can we agree that it's not something you see very often? - i watch a lot of college and pro sports, and it's not often that you read/hear teammates speaking as you have in a public forum...what happens in the locker room is another issue

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PMi apologize if the monarchs are soft and get a pat on the back for messing up.. thats a real good way to better yourself.
i never said that mu athletes weren't held responsible by their teammates within the confines of the team, just that they have enough class, dignity and respect for one another not to bring it out in a public manner...you seem to have difficulty understanding that this forum is very different from the team setting

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PMyou act like im gonna give congrats to my team for blowing a lead and not performing
yet your 4.1 inning, 6 run performance was "giving your team a chance to win" or something to that nature...i see the (double) standard to which you hold yourself and your teammates

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PMwas all as everyone knows that can.
wow...just wow...i hope that you command a slider better than you do the english language

Quote from: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PMbut i guess the monarchs and pride look at the game of baseball differently
i think you're spot-on!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 17, 2009, 01:31:23 PM
narch, such a small barrel and so many fish.  Time to reload!  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 17, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PMbut i guess the monarchs and pride look at the game of baseball differently
i think you're spot-on!

Each team is treated differently, one coach may treat his players like men, while another may micromanage every single player, each coach is different.

Moving onto the righthanders comments about his teamates, i dont see the problem with it so long as he is willing to take the heat if he doesnt perform well.  You see and hear these kinda of comments all of the time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 17, 2009, 01:52:25 PM
righthander, all I know is that as a former player in this conference I for one can not see why you are all about talking yourself on this forum or talking on this forum as a player period.   This can not reflect good on yourself, your teammates and school in general.  If my coach were to find myself or any of my teammates writing on this board as a player I am sure my days at practice would be filled with a lot of running.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 17, 2009, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on February 17, 2009, 01:52:25 PM
righthander, all I know is that as a former player in this conference I for one can not see why you are all about talking yourself on this forum or talking on this forum as a player period.   This can not reflect good on yourself, your teammates and school in general.  If my coach were to find myself or any of my teammates writing on this board as a player I am sure my days at practice would be filled with a lot of running.   
Call me old school, but that's also the way I see it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 17, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
And that is where i guess we have our issue, old school v. new school lol!!! Well  Put
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
Count me in as an old schooler! I wouldn't care if you were the D3 version of Tom Seaver (old school)  - If I were a coach and caught a player on here talking that way - I'd have the best conditioned athlete in the nation....or Tom Seaver wouldn't be on my team!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
Ya know, Narch. I often let the English language thing go on these boards. But sometimes you just can't. I realize with the modern ways of communicating - texting, blogs, etc, that shortcuts can often be confused with proper grammar.......but dern if sometimes it's just them youngens gettin it wrong.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 05:00:30 PM
i agree highheat and i guess i should apologize for just commenting on how i felt.  i am an extremely competitive player and i didnt know gettin on me teammates ass for not performing their best was wrong. and trust me, we are conditioned enough ;)
Narch you can try and humiliate me as much as you want, it does not bother me. but youre right, old school vs new school.  im not going to sit back and let someone else take the leadership role who doesnt want it.

anyways, we travel to georgia this week to face York, Piedmont, Rhodes, and Trinity... this will be a real test of our team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 17, 2009, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
Count me in as an old schooler! I wouldn't care if you were the D3 version of Tom Seaver (old school)  - If I were a coach and caught a player on here talking that way - I'd have the best conditioned athlete in the nation....or Tom Seaver wouldn't be on my team!

Talking that way? i just dont understand why you people are getting on my ass. Bashing my teammates? False. Talking myself up? What, am I not allowed to have confidence in myself? never once did i cross that line and me being the size I am, i feel that it is okay to go out and pitch with a bit of a cocky attitude. but again if i upset anyone i apologize. my responses on here will be limited due to the unintentional aggravation i have caused...

good luck to the teams this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 17, 2009, 05:57:27 PM
Wise words from many moons ago:

"Tis better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt".
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 17, 2009, 08:22:53 PM
And it is as if we have all of a sudden become friends ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 09:23:30 PM
Righthander.....You didn't upset me. I'm just stating how how I feel. Old School is a term to describe maturity. I'm most likely twice your age and have seen tons more than you. At one point I was young and brash. After eating my words on more than a few dozen occasions and many more times wishing I had kept my mouth shut, I've come to learn that my actions are what others observe most. Actions are how you are judged and admired or hated. Words only reinforce your actions. I've seen this with bosses, co-workers, subordinates, and my two adult children. My words mean nothing to them unless my actions and how I live my life are aligned with those words.

You'll learn. If you can harness your passion, beliefs, and control how competitive you are, then you have a very good chance to be succesful. But if you walk into a room (life) and the first thing you do is start spewing how good you are, you will create more distractors who will love to watch, or stop at nothing to help you fail.

So, take this message board as a microcosm of life. We're not reacting too much differently than others in the world will react.

whew...Narch....that was pretty deep for a public school guy, huh?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2009, 09:47:59 PM
Quote from: randomguy on February 17, 2009, 08:52:25 AM
on a side note, what happened to the USASAC this past weekend? I was expecting the opposite records from the challenge. 
to get back to baseball, i was a little surprised, as well - the usasac has taken the odac behind the woodshed in head-to-head matchups for as long as i can remember...of course, there are still a number of usasac/odac games to be played, but the odac sure got off to a nice start...i'm hoping the usasac can take at least one from the odac this weekend (mu vs. lc)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 17, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
Maybe Methodist can take two games from the ODAC since they play Roanoke friday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BoJam on February 18, 2009, 01:16:35 AM
Hi yall, just happy to be on here with a bunch of baseball nuthuggers like myself. Golly I'm so happy baseball season is here. I sit right behind home plate at all the home games and cheer away I say. Who do yall thinks gonna win the USAC/ODAC? I'm a little bit torn right now between Greensboro and CNU, I'll tell you what, both teams impressed me. Lynchburg looks to be a great hitting team, but I'll tell you what, I was not very impressed by RMC. Like I said, first time poster, just happy to be around here with a whole bunch of baseball nuthuggers. Talk to yall later. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BoJam on February 18, 2009, 01:21:50 AM
Btw RightHander, I've seen you pitch my little man. Don't ever let no people bring you down. It's not often you get a player of your caliber packed into such a little package. Keep it up my man, bring that heat. When I was playing back in '72, high school of course, never good enough to play college, but hey I keep the dream alive through yall, I let other people tell me I wasn't good enough, hit the ball hard enough, throw that pellet hard enough, and I gave up, and I swear to God I wish I wouldn't have...biggest regret of my cotton pickin life. To all players on this board, the best of luck to all of you and just have fun out there, play your stinkin hearts out because you never know when the big man upstairs is gonna yank ya off.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 18, 2009, 11:51:59 AM
I have been posting since 2007 and I have never seen so many new people join this board in matter of weeks.

Whats the deal?

If you new people look back at older post, the only thing that was discussed were games, scores, predictions, what players are doing well, who's going to regional, who will win the conference tournament, etc.  Lets get back to that.  If you are a player, let your team results do the talking.

Some good south-regional match-ups this weekend.

Greensboro vs. Piedmont & Rhodes
Methodist vs. Lynchburg & Huntington
Wesleyan vs. LaGrange & Emory
CNU vs. Bridgewater

Should be fun!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 18, 2009, 12:18:08 PM
Look Falcon2720, A.G. Narch, and all of the other "old-timers" to this board. I have all the respect in the world for you guys. I enjoy reading your insightful posts about D3 baseball. That being said, just a few weeks ago you could hear crickets on this board. I start a little friendly junk talk and wow has this board blown up. I think its a good thing to be honest. Now people like Manfro and Buchnasty, who ever that might be, seem to take things a little personal. But, all in all, the more people on here, the better in my opinion. That being said, Greensboro College players are creating all kinds of screen names and posting on here like idiots. This BoJam character. As a Guilford College fan, NOT a player, I actually know the fellow known as BoJam. He is a local guy who supports not only GC baseball, but many local teams. He seems to have fallen in love with Pride baseball and I have no problem with that. But I know for a fact he isn't on this board. So, whoever is posting under BoJam, give it up...You're obviously immature, your e-mail address is feces.sandwhich@yahoo.com. Are you kidding me? Well, thats all I wanted to get across at the moment. A lot of games this weekend. I hope this rain will get out of here soon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BoJam on February 18, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
It's true I've fell in love with pride baseball, but that doesn't mean I don't love watching baseball in general.I haven't come to as many Guilford games but I still enjoy watchin yall.Back to other teams, I don't thin cnu will have too tough of a time with bw this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 18, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
You're full of it kid....I know the real guy they call BoJam, and that's not you. Keep play JV ball over at Greensboro...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2009, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2009, 09:47:59 PM
Quote from: randomguy on February 17, 2009, 08:52:25 AM
on a side note, what happened to the USASAC this past weekend? I was expecting the opposite records from the challenge. 
to get back to baseball, i was a little surprised, as well - the usasac has taken the odac behind the woodshed in head-to-head matchups for as long as i can remember...of course, there are still a number of usasac/odac games to be played, but the odac sure got off to a nice start...i'm hoping the usasac can take at least one from the odac this weekend (mu vs. lc)

CNU beat Lynchburg a few games back!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 18, 2009, 04:52:25 PM
Yes CNU beat Lynchburg in 11 innings.  Unfortunately today's game against Randolph Macon has been rained out.  (Which everyone knew I'm sure).

February baseball....

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BoJam on February 18, 2009, 07:08:07 PM
Does anyone think Bailey has a shot to repeat his performance from last year
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BoJam on February 18, 2009, 07:14:06 PM
Because he's already off to a great start. He had a hell of a year last year, but that's a tough thing to do back to back
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: BoJam on February 18, 2009, 07:08:07 PM
Does anyone think Bailey has a shot to repeat his performance from last year
yes...he's a stud

Quote from: Falcon2720 on February 17, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
Maybe Methodist can take two games from the ODAC since they play Roanoke friday.
thanks for reminding me they play roanoke, as well...i hope the team doesn't overlook the maroons as i did :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 19, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
I saw where Bailey was named USA South Player of the Week. Good for him. I hope he keeps it up. He is a class act. Narch, good luck to your boys this weekend. I'm sure Coach Austin will have them rolling this weekend. BoJam, give it up man. The Greensboro players just won't quit until everyone of them looks ignorant.  ::)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 19, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
Wheather bojam is really him or not does not matter, you should be focused on planning your next family vacation...and talking straight baseball, good luck to all of the USAS teams this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 19, 2009, 11:28:08 AM
Has anyone noticed the noise CJ Rhodes is making down at Va. Wesleyan?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 19, 2009, 11:37:13 AM
USAS09FAN, you're obviously another GC player or coach. Wouldn't surprise me if you were the former GboroKing. Where did he go? Mom must have taken away his internet usage....anyway, no more trips for me. Good luck down in the ATL, if you're even traveling....Rhodes is putting up ridiculous numbers so far. Can he keep it up?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: USAS09FAN on February 19, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
Wheather bojam is really him or not does not matter, you should be focused on planning your next family vacation...and talking straight baseball, good luck to all of the USAS teams this weekend
R   H   E
0   2   1

Check the weather whether you go or not ... sometimes it spells straight vacation trouble!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 19, 2009, 05:10:07 PM
Averett won today, nothing to brag about the opponent was Maine PI.  No offense to them, but everyone has been beating them.  Did anyone else play today in the conference?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 19, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
I bet Maine Presque Isle isn't finding the "south" too warm and are ready to head home.  Shenandoah scored 27 runs against them yesterday. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RSSmith on February 19, 2009, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on February 19, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
I bet Maine Presque Isle isn't finding the "south" too warm and are ready to head home.  Shenandoah scored 27 runs against them yesterday. 

What's up with that, anyway?  Maine PI is 0-5 by a combined score of 8-99.  Is it a new program or is the coach a masochist?  And why is the Shenandoah mauling a headline story for this website?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 19, 2009, 07:37:56 PM
Not to be mean to Maine PI, but they honostly couldnt play AA high school in VA.  as far as SU being headlined for beating them, I can only assume that it is because it was the largest run difference in the current coaches history. I mean there isnt much else going on in baseball tonight, that is a noteworthy article.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 19, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on February 19, 2009, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on February 19, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
I bet Maine Presque Isle isn't finding the "south" too warm and are ready to head home.  Shenandoah scored 27 runs against them yesterday. 

What's up with that, anyway?  Maine PI is 0-5 by a combined score of 8-99.  Is it a new program or is the coach a masochist?  And why is the Shenandoah mauling a headline story for this website?
I hear they have good Ski Team. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 19, 2009, 08:30:22 PM
Salisbury shutout Arcadia 13-0. Celenza drops two bombs on the day, one went over 400 feet.

Judson picks up his second win of the year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 20, 2009, 09:11:31 AM
Well my Bishops have a tough test again this weekend, they go down to GA to 1st play Lagrange and then play in Atlanta in the Rawlings Tournament that features Emory.  Good Luck guys.  Hopefully you have some good weather. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 20, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
Greensboro beat York 9 - 8. We were up 7 - 0 in the seventh, made five errors and Montague hit a pinch hit game winning two run double in the top of the ninth. Shaky seventh but we got the win!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 20, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
That's a good win for Greensboro.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 20, 2009, 05:55:17 PM
Salisbury defeats top-ranked Cortland 4-3. Cortland closer drilled Salisbury shortstop Will Evans with the bases loaded to send in the game winner.


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 20, 2009, 07:31:56 PM
Bishops took a pounding at LaGrange of 17-3.  That is six straights loses.  Lets hope the rest of the weekend turns out better.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 20, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
The USASAC poll at the top of the page has some crazy math! 

CNU 7
Ferrum 1
Greensboro 7
NCWC 5
Who cares 3

Total 21

So what happened to 23?  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on February 20, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
That's a good win for Greensboro.
i don't know about that...york was 14-28 last year and lost to emory 17-3...normally i would agree with you, but the spartans weren't very good last year and i haven't seen any evidence this year that they'll be better

speaking of not very good...mu mauled roanoke 17-0 in 7 innings today - i watched a few innings, and it was UGLY for RC - frosh ryan fasano looked dominant on the hill, going 6 with 5 hits, 0 walks and 7 k's - the monarch bats pumped out 10 runs on 10 in the first 2 innings - ingram drove one that missed going out by about 3 feet...he crushed it - lancaster had a 5 hit day - hopefully the monarch bats stay hot all weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2009, 11:49:08 PM
gc got hammered by pc, losing 12-3
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Post by: LTBB1971 on February 21, 2009, 01:41:46 AM
NC Wesleyan got destroyed today against LaGrange College 17-3.  6 losses in a row...not good for a team picked to go to have a good season and possibly regionals.  Starting to look like a rebuilding year.  Only bright stars today were 2 freshman...RF Pat Laffin 2 for 3 performance and RHP Roby Costa 3.1 Innings pitched to slow down the Panthers.  I hope we do better vs. Franklin tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 21, 2009, 06:24:20 AM
CNU blew a 6 run lead to end up with a 9-9 tie against Rowan.  No lights at Captains Park and the game was called after 8.  Bright spot: Josh Brinkman with 6 innings and 1 ER.  Eric Cole hit another bomb.

I stand corrected on York.  I think CNU split with them at the end of last season (but I could be wrong about that too).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 21, 2009, 06:26:33 AM
I'm really surprised about NCWC's tough start to the season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 08:58:29 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 20, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
The USASAC poll at the top of the page has some crazy math! 

CNU 7
Ferrum 1
Greensboro 7
NCWC 5
Who cares 3

Total 21

So what happened to 23?  :)
'nova - the english language has taken such a beating on this board lately...perhaps arithmetics decided to get in on the act, as well
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 21, 2009, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2009, 08:58:29 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 20, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
The USASAC poll at the top of the page has some crazy math! 

CNU 7
Ferrum 1
Greensboro 7
NCWC 5
Who cares 3

Total 21

So what happened to 23?  :)
'nova - the english language has taken such a beating on this board lately...perhaps arithmetics decided to get in on the act, as well
Reading, 'riting and now 'rithmetic all taking a beating in this forum!   What's next ... Dadaism or subatomic particle physics!?  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
looks like manfro had some control issues today, with 7 walks in 5 ip to go along with 5 hits (a 2.4 whip...whoa), 6 k's and 4 runs (3 earned...looks like they were all earned) - gc will need some late-inning magic, as they're down 6-3 with one out in the bottom of the 7th against rhodes - no word on the mu/huntingdon game (no live-stats and it's too cold to take the kids to a baseball game)
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Post by: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 02:24:31 PM
Very little control issues i'm not one to make excuses however the umpires were garbage. Walks did kill though. Rhodes has a big hitting team. I was consistent 88-91. Topped at 92. We'll get it. It's early. We'll get it...
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Post by: A.G. on February 21, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
Baseball players don't make excuses...
...they make adjustments.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 06:39:35 PM
If you were there, You'd agree.
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Post by: randomguy on February 21, 2009, 07:47:52 PM
dont take this the wrong way man, but covering up a bad outing with a radar reading doesnt carry much weight. like i said im not trying to make enemies with you, but thats a little desperate for covering up your outing. looks good for a scout, but a radar gun does not win games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 08:17:34 PM
I'm not desperate and i know my stats. We lost as a team. Just figured i'd throw that out there for a few people that may have been interested. Sorry for being stoked i broke 90.. Easily
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 02:24:31 PM
Very little control issues i'm not one to make excuses however the umpires were garbage
yet there were only 5 walks in the other 13 ip combined...interesting...i guess they were garbage just for you

c'mon man, if you're going to crow about yourself on this site, be man enough to eat that crow when you play poorly...90+ mph or not

and i've got nothing on what the monarchs did today...the score isn't anywhere to be found and it's killing me
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Post by: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
Okay it wasn't the best outing obviously. Damn. I was just talkin baseball. Just a simple self accomplishment.. Didn't know it was going to turn into bash manfro again. And when you do find out the other scores please post them. We'd like to know who came out on top. And i'm still saying there umpires are some of the worst I've ever seen. Feel free to ask the four teams that were present.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 20, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
The USASAC poll at the top of the page has some crazy math! 

CNU 7
Ferrum 1
Greensboro 7
NCWC 5
Who cares 3

Total 21

So what happened to 23?  :)

Damn private school math!! :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:26:28 PM
CNU wins game #2 against Rowan. It was a slugfest. 17-10. CNU is now 5-0-1. Not a bad start. Even have a win against a ranked opponent. This is going to be a fun year to watch CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:30:46 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
Okay it wasn't the best outing obviously. Damn. I was just talkin baseball. Just a simple self accomplishment.. Didn't know it was going to turn into bash manfro again. And when you do find out the other scores please post them. We'd like to know who came out on top. And i'm still saying there umpires are some of the worst I've ever seen. Feel free to ask the four teams that were present.

Hey Righty.....if anyone from GC posts, beware The Narch. He heates GC more so than CNU......but he won't admit it!  :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 21, 2009, 09:54:07 PM
For you narch,

MU beat Huntington 12-11

MU beat Frostburg 17-2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 09:54:34 PM
dislike and respect are 2 different things, '85 :)

the monarchs went 2-0 on the day, beating huntingdon 12-11 and hammering frostburg 17-2

huntingdon jumped out to a 7-2 lead after 3, but the monarchs kept pounding away, led by shawn lovette (4-4), brian ingram (1-1, 3 runs, 4 bb) and brad davis (3-5, 1 hr, 6 rbi...he had a gs in the 6th) - tough first game of the day for the pitching staff, but the offense found a way to make it right  

box score (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/baseball/box_scores/2009/2_21_09_mc)

no box for the frostburg game, but the score tells it all - the monarchs have now scored 13, 7, 17, 12 and 17 in the last 5 games (all wins)

i'm hoping the lc game gets played on sunday (there might be some nasty stuff moving in over night), and i'm (obviously) hoping for a monarch win
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 09:17:44 PMAnd i'm still saying there umpires are some of the worst I've ever seen. Feel free to ask the four teams that were present.
the statistics simply don't bear that statement out...in the two games played at oglethorpe, there were 15 walks issued in the 31 innings not pitched by you - just under 1/2 walk per inning - in the five innings you pitched, you walked 7 - that's 1.4 walks per inning...almost 3 times the number of walks/inning issued by all other pitchers - i hope you guys can rebound and get a "w" on sunday...the conference as a whole hasn't had the best weekend and needs every win it can get...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 21, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
agreed the conference needs every win that it can get. havent been around here long, but from what i understand the conference used to win most of the non-conf. games.  hopefully as the year progresses the conf. will get more wins outside the conf.!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 21, 2009, 11:01:45 PM
All i'm sayin is the strike zone was a shoe box. Youre right.. My location wasn't great but its usually pretty good. I guess i just need to throw a flat ground and figure some stuff out. ;) anyways. This is my first year at GC and from my understanding the conference is alot better than we are playing. This weekend is the start of what really counts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2009, 09:28:47 AM
here is the frostburg box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0221b.htm)...proctor continues his hot streak to start the season with another 2 hr's - he's got 5 hr and 13 rbi on the season - lancaster had a 3 hit, 4 rbi game out of the leadoff spot, davis had 3 more hits and inghram hit a solo shot and scored 3 runs - bisp pitched well, giving up just 2 hits and 0 er in 5 ip - if the weather holds, i imagine that mahaffey will go on the bump today (unless jordan is healthy and gets the nod)
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Post by: A.G. on February 22, 2009, 06:40:14 PM
Sounds like LC and MU hooked up in a classic today down at MU.  The Hornets pulled out a 3-1 win over the Monarchs.  The missus kept texting me updates. 

Narch...were you there?  I'd certainly like to hear your impressions of the teams if you were.
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Post by: narch on February 22, 2009, 11:01:31 PM
a.g. - didn't make it to the game, but sounds like i missed a good one - the monarchs made way too many errors, but frosh mahaffey pitched brilliantly, going 8 and scattering 5 hits with 8 k's and no er's...he's looking pretty legit, early on

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0222.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 23, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
can someone give me some idea of what is going on with nc wesleyan? Of their top four starters, only one guy has an ERA under 5. They are 3-9 and are getting brutally manhandled in most of those games.

The Bishops certainly do not look anything like a team that recieved votes in the preseason poll.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 23, 2009, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: HighHeat on February 23, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
can someone give me some idea of what is going on with nc wesleyan? Of their top four starters, only one guy has an ERA under 5. They are 3-9 and are getting brutally manhandled in most of those games.

The Bishops certainly do not look anything like a team that recieved votes in the preseason poll.
Wish I had a answer.  I will be their this weekend to see them play.  They are hosting a tournament with Marietta, Montclair State and Peidmont. 
It is the 20 & 10 year anniversary of our National Championships and they are having a big celebration for those teams this weekend.
Also the 1999 team will be playing the 1989 team on Saturday night as part of this Tournament of Champions.  Should be a fun weekend. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: eraguy1975 on February 23, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Ive seen most of the teams in the USA South play this season( GC, NCWC, Averett, Ferrum) and I am really dissapointed in the teams that are out there. Besides CNU I dont think there is a real contender in this league at all. CNU has a dynamite offense and if there pitching can come through they might pose a threat in the South Region. NCWC and Averett, look for them to finish at the bottom of the standings, poor hitting and poor pitching thus far. GC looks to be the same as always, a few good players but nothing special, pitching is not there strong point.

I am looking forward to seeing Methodist play, they might be the 2nd best team in the conference. I hope these teams can start picking it, if not the USA South is in for a long season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on February 23, 2009, 07:56:41 PM
How about you stop talking about how horrible every team is and talk about the strong points of the weekend. Wait until the end of march to say who sucks and who doesn't. Being disappointed is how three quarters of the conference feels. It's still early in the season and everyone is trying to pull together as a team. The teams under .500 know they are capeable of performing better.. And they will.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 23, 2009, 08:55:09 PM
Its really easy to see why a lot of teams are disappointed so far in the USA South. Averett, Greensboro, and NC Wesleyan are a combined 10-23. I mean Averett and GC are not really expected to have great records, but NCWC should never be this bad. I have no clue what's going on down there. Manfro, what's going on with you guys. All that talk and nothing really to prove. A team ERA of 8.04, which is last in the USA South, and a team batting average of .287, which is only 1 freakin' point above NCWC in the statistics. One thing I noticed......you and your pitching staff love walking guys. 52 freebies in 75 innings. I hate to bring up the Greensboro vs. Guilford rivalry again, but whose pitching staff looks better right now?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on February 23, 2009, 09:40:42 PM
STATS do not lie, when you walk batters you're bound to give up some runs, when your team doesn't hit for a high average your most likely not going to outscore your competition and when you have both well i think you have got the idea. The greatest part about this all for the teams that have not gotten off to the start they have expected from themselves is that it is only Feb. 25th, each team still has some time to tweak and make adjustments to their pitching staffs and lineups, take a look back at NCWC start of 9-7 and MC 9-10 start in 2006, both teams finished pretty well, NCWC got hot at the right time and went all the way to the series, plenty of time to play some ball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 23, 2009, 09:42:52 PM
I agree with most everything you said USAS09FAN, other than in my world today is the 23rd of February.  :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 23, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
NCWC has not been at its peak, but I believe Coach Long will right the ship before tournament play...too much talent on that team.  Soph Max Knowles threw a seven ining shuttout Saturday, so pitching is starting to get better.  I wil believe they will be ok before Conference play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on February 23, 2009, 09:49:18 PM
Opening up with CNU is a tough draw early. On the other hand, maybe both teams will have jitters and play down a little bit. Should be a great series to watch....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: eraguy1975 on February 24, 2009, 07:18:45 AM
I never said any team was horrible, I just said I was dissapointed in the talent level, whether its early or not, thats what this board is for to talk about things like that, not cry and argue on it like you do. Its really not that early in the season, 10 games is 1/4 of the season, you start to have an idea of what kind of team you have right around 10 games into the season. I did talk about the strong points if you read my post, I gave CNU a compliment because i feel that they deserve it, when another team pulls off a good win I will do the same, has not happened so far. Hopefully some of the teams in the USA south can turn it around.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GboroKing on February 24, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
You have to realize that non-conference means absolutely nothing. If Guilford goes 15-3 in non-conference and 0-20 in conference what have you accomplished? If Greensboro goes 3-15 in non-conference and 20-0 in conference who is better? They have the same record don't they? Sure winning games out of conference is great but ultimately it does not mean anything. It all depends on what team gets hot at the right time. Lets say every team goes to their tournament and Greensboro is 0-40 and Guilford is 40-0. Greensboro gets hot and wins the national championship. Who had the better season?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RSSmith on February 24, 2009, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: GboroKing on February 24, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
You have to realize that non-conference means absolutely nothing. If Guilford goes 15-3 in non-conference and 0-20 in conference what have you accomplished? If Greensboro goes 3-15 in non-conference and 20-0 in conference who is better? They have the same record don't they? Sure winning games out of conference is great but ultimately it does not mean anything. It all depends on what team gets hot at the right time. Lets say every team goes to their tournament and Greensboro is 0-40 and Guilford is 40-0. Greensboro gets hot and wins the national championship. Who had the better season?

Guilford, by any reasonable measure.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: eraguy1975 on February 24, 2009, 11:10:47 AM
Non-Conference games do matter, they are the reason why teams on the bubble for regional bids either get in or dont make the cut. If you have a decent season say...29-13 and if you lose most of your regional matchups, you ARENT getting in. They do matter, they might be more important than conference games unless you win the conference tournament. No one can even argue that point, it happens every year, the teams with the more impressive non conference wins, get the bid everytime.

I cant agree with you more about HOT teams, if a team gets hot they can be unstoppable, but relying on that isnt the way to go. Proving yourself game in and game out is the way to prove that you are a good team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: eraguy1975 on February 24, 2009, 11:10:47 AMThey do matter, they might be more important than conference games unless you win the conference tournament. No one can even argue that point, it happens every year, the teams with the more impressive non conference wins, get the bid everytime.
i'm with you on every point except this one...as i understand it, a conference and a regional game are one and the same in the eyes of the selection committee - you are correct in stating that they might be more important than conference games, but they also might be less important depending on opp win % and opp/opp win % numbers...your last point only holds true if everything else is equal, which is rarely the case

i'll be interested to see what the monarchs do with their pitching staff this week - i wouldn't be surprised to see johnny wholestaff pitch vs. alma today in myrtle beach, but i'm interested to see who gets the call vs. vwc on wednesday and who will go vs. averett...i have a feeling mahaffey pitched his way into the weekend vs. lc, but does bisp or the other frosh, fasano get the nod vs. vwc?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 24, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: narch on February 24, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: eraguy1975 on February 24, 2009, 11:10:47 AMThey do matter, they might be more important than conference games unless you win the conference tournament. No one can even argue that point, it happens every year, the teams with the more impressive non conference wins, get the bid everytime.
i'm with you on every point except this one...as i understand it, a conference and a regional game are one and the same in the eyes of the selection committee - you are correct in stating that they might be more important than conference games, but they also might be less important depending on opp win % and opp/opp win % numbers...your last point only holds true if everything else is equal, which is rarely the case

i'll be interested to see what the monarchs do with their pitching staff this week - i wouldn't be surprised to see johnny wholestaff pitch vs. alma today in myrtle beach, but i'm interested to see who gets the call vs. vwc on wednesday and who will go vs. averett...i have a feeling mahaffey pitched his way into the weekend vs. lc, but does bisp or the other frosh, fasano get the nod vs. vwc?

Narch,
Whatever happened to not being able to post much due to MBA classes and kids?????   ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 24, 2009, 07:46:27 PM
So Christopher Newport breaks into the top 25 and is battered by VWC on the very same day.....  Ugly, ugly game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2009, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 24, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
Narch,
Whatever happened to not being able to post much due to MBA classes and kids?????   ;D
this term is winding down...i'm putting a little bow on a marketing plan and finished up all my man acct stuff this weekend...so i've been able to slow down a little this week...things heat back up in a week, or so :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
no box score yet, but the monarchs win 12-0 vs. alma in myrtle beach today...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 24, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
college baseball needs to go to wood bats!! these handle shots arent real hits and for that reason, and pitchers safety, there needs to be wood bats!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 25, 2009, 07:04:01 AM
I just looked at the USA SOUTH stnading and noticed Shenandoah got off to 8-1 start.  Pretty impressive.  Are they that good, or just playing mediocre schools?  I see they have beaten up teams like Maine-Pesque Isle, Elizabethtown and PSU Altoona...I'm not even sure I ever heard of them.  Should get a better idea when they play teams like Bridgewater and Greensboro.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 25, 2009, 07:54:27 AM
Shenandoah's early season schedule came from Tasty-Cake, cupcakes almost all the way up till now, but they do have a lot of legitimately good hitters and if the pitching comes through, they could be tough.  They were pretty solid last year, and returned most of their hitters.   They play Bridgewater  later this week and then Greensboro on the weekend so they'll get a better test in those games than they've seen so far.  I suspect they will be a major factor in the USAS if the arms can hold up against the better competition. Their pitching so far has been excellent but a better indication will come this week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2009, 10:05:36 AM
My bishops start a 11 game homestand this weekend.  Hopefully some good old home cooking and the Celebration of the 20-year and 10-year anniversaries of  National Championships will get the team rolling just in time for conference play. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: eraguy1975 on February 25, 2009, 10:22:16 AM
Wesleyan could be rolling into some major butt kickings this weekend, Marietta,Montclair, and Piedmont. During that 11 game home span they play some top notch opponents, no cupcakes for Wesleyan at all this year. I hope playing all these teams benefits them once conference play starts.

I would love to see wood bats in college, but it all comes down to $$$$$.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on February 25, 2009, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: randomguy on February 24, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
college baseball needs to go to wood bats!! these handle shots arent real hits and for that reason, and pitchers safety, there needs to be wood bats!

I dont know how college could go to woodbats. I would like to see it, but I do not know if it will ever happen. The schools certainly will not pay for the pays, especially at the d3 level.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 25, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
I know it wont happen, especially not anytime soon.  but the metal bats are getting better every year, and more and more handle shots are making it over the infielders and falling for hits.  The sweetspots are getting bigger.  It is just frustrating.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2009, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: randomguy on February 25, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
I know it wont happen, especially not anytime soon.  but the metal bats are getting better every year, and more and more handle shots are making it over the infielders and falling for hits.  The sweetspots are getting bigger.  It is just frustrating.
I'm not sure if you guys saw it, but a metal bat snapped in two in a UNC-CH game a week or so ago.  The barrel went flying through the infield just like you see broken wooden bats in the pros.  Scary!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 25, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
ive seen it happen more than once, and that is more dangerous than wood, but not very common to see
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2009, 06:44:35 PM
The Guilford Quakers got a rare 3-hit complete game from Corey Landis today at Ferrum to win 11-5.  Drew Gurkin, Kyle Wooden, Drew Ward and Terrance Penn all got 3 hits for GC ... Ward had a grand slam.  GC improves to 9-3 while FC drops to 6-4.  The Quakers are a surprising 4-0 this year versus the USASAC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2009, 06:45:24 PM
Quote from: randomguy on February 25, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
ive seen it happen more than once, and that is more dangerous than wood, but not very common to see
I saw it on the local sports ... first time I think I'd seen it with a metal bat.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
mu wins 6-1 vs. vwc - they touched bulman for 3 runs on 3 hits in 1/3 of an inning...ouch - such and proctor are raking the ball right now - proctor hit hr #6 and is up to .455/6/15 on the season - he has 15 hits and 11 are for extra bases - such went 3-3 with 3 rbi...he's hitting .407 with a hr and 12 rbi in 9 games - bisp pitched very well, going 5 and giving up 5 hits and 0 er - partin, fasano and mahaffey each pitched an inning (the three frosh gave up a total 1 hit, 1 walk and 0 er's in their three combined innings) - the monarchs are now 7-3 - box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0225.htm) - nice win
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 25, 2009, 08:47:51 PM
I hope NCWC during this next 11 game homestand can go at least 8-3...need to get this ship going in the right direction...I expect to see Max Knowles in weekend rotation after his showing in the Rawlings tournament.  LHP Diener looked like he hurt his arm against Rhodes.  I hope he's well, we'll sure need the guy. 
I think we'll get better, really tough schedule this year...Pat Laffin, Justin Rahm and Zollie Woodlief are hitting lights out.  Hope everyone else gets on the same train. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 25, 2009, 08:47:51 PM
I hope NCWC during this next 11 game homestand can go at least 8-3...need to get this ship going in the right direction...I expect to see Max Knowles in weekend rotation after his showing in the Rawlings tournament.  LHP Diener looked like he hurt his arm against Rhodes.  I hope he's well, we'll sure need the guy. 
I think we'll get better, really tough schedule this year...Pat Laffin, Justin Rahm and Zollie Woodlief are hitting lights out.  Hope everyone else gets on the same train. 
LTHSdad are you going to be down at the tourney this weekend. 
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Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: narch on February 25, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
mu wins 6-1 vs. vwc - they touched bulman for 3 runs on 3 hits in 1/3 of an inning...ouch - such and proctor are raking the ball right now - proctor hit hr #6 and is up to .455/6/15 on the season - he has 15 hits and 11 are for extra bases - such went 3-3 with 3 rbi...he's hitting .407 with a hr and 12 rbi in 9 games - bisp pitched very well, going 5 and giving up 5 hits and 0 er - partin, fasano and mahaffey each pitched an inning (the three frosh gave up a total 1 hit, 1 walk and 0 er's in their three combined innings) - the monarchs are now 7-3 - box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0225.htm) - nice win

I know a few of the kids on VWC. Good kids, play hard. Felt bad for Samuels getting the L.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on February 27, 2009, 09:21:47 AM
Catfish, I am going down Saturday.  Looks like the games are a wash...saw in the school site no games Saturday with NCWC playing Montclair St on Sunday at 9 AM and Piedmont at 3PM Monday...bummer, I can't stay for Monday's game...The should try to split the games getween the Rocky Mount Sports Complex...I heard about a few injuries in the Pitching staff.  Hope younger guys can pull thru.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 27, 2009, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 27, 2009, 09:21:47 AM
Catfish, I am going down Saturday.  Looks like the games are a wash...saw in the school site no games Saturday with NCWC playing Montclair St on Sunday at 9 AM and Piedmont at 3PM Monday...bummer, I can't stay for Monday's game...The should try to split the games getween the Rocky Mount Sports Complex...I heard about a few injuries in the Pitching staff.  Hope younger guys can pull thru.
Yeah looks like I will not toeing the mound this weekend.  What a shame I was hoping to get seen by a scout and signed to a big bonus.  Well I can always dream. 
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Post by: A.G. on February 27, 2009, 02:34:46 PM
Hate to see the games were a wash.  It looked like some good match-ups down at NCWC...and I am sure the alumni game would have been lively.

Weather looks like it might wash out everyone's weekend.  LC will be down at NCWC on Tuesday.
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Post by: RSSmith on February 27, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
Good win for Millsaps over Emory this afternoon.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on February 27, 2009, 06:53:52 PM
I understand Shenandoah got off the gate 10-1, but...the combined record of their opponents is 6-24-1...not very impressive...I wouldn't think is this is not top 25 worthy.  Got top play top opponents to be worthy of a top 25 ranking or even get some votes.  I wouldn't read too much into their start.  We'll see how good they are once they play Methodist, VA Wesleyan, CNU and Randolph Macon.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 25, 2009, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: randomguy on February 25, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
I know it wont happen, especially not anytime soon.  but the metal bats are getting better every year, and more and more handle shots are making it over the infielders and falling for hits.  The sweetspots are getting bigger.  It is just frustrating.
I'm not sure if you guys saw it, but a metal bat snapped in two in a UNC-CH game a week or so ago.  The barrel went flying through the infield just like you see broken wooden bats in the pros.  Scary!

Do you have a "youtube" of that?  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on February 27, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
Good win for Millsaps over Emory this afternoon.
Every win over Emory is a good win.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on February 28, 2009, 02:35:12 PM
is anyone playing in the conference today?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 28, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
CNU and NCWC have called their games.  Torrential rain.
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Post by: coachmilburn on February 28, 2009, 06:03:08 PM
NO rain in Winchester today ... dry, dry, dry!

Just got back from Shepherd University's DH that is about 35 minutes away.

We have fields in the area looking for teams to play games on them.
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Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 01, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
I think Greensboro got really lucky this weekend with this weather. Shenandoah is rolling and have won 8 in a row. GC might have been doing the rain dance out on the practice field on Friday  :P
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Post by: A.G. on March 02, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
Any word on the weather down at NCWC?  LC is supposed to travel down tomorrow for a 3 PM game.
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Post by: HighHeat on March 02, 2009, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on March 01, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
I think Greensboro got really lucky this weekend with this weather. Shenandoah is rolling and have won 8 in a row. GC might have been doing the rain dance out on the practice field on Friday  :P

Give it up quaker. Just stop while you are ahead. You are a member of the statistically proven, worst 10 pitching staffs in the nation.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 02, 2009, 01:11:13 PM
A.G., I'm assuming that Rocky Mount got at least 2-4 inches of snow last night. Up here in Greensboro, we got about 6 inches. HighHeat, you are an idiot. Guilford's ERA is 6.75 which is terrible. Greensboro's ERA is 8.04. So, I don't know who you are exactly, but for my argument's sake....the stats don't lie.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 02, 2009, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on March 02, 2009, 01:11:13 PM
A.G., I'm assuming that Rocky Mount got at least 2-4 inches of snow last night. Up here in Greensboro, we got about 6 inches.

That, along with a 34 degree "high" for tomorrow down there, does not sound too promising.  Neither does Averett's game @ LC on Weds, for that matter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 02, 2009, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on March 02, 2009, 01:11:13 PM
A.G., I'm assuming that Rocky Mount got at least 2-4 inches of snow last night. Up here in Greensboro, we got about 6 inches. HighHeat, you are an idiot. Guilford's ERA is 6.75 which is terrible. Greensboro's ERA is 8.04. So, I don't know who you are exactly, but for my argument's sake....the stats don't lie.

What is the point you are trying to make? Does the fact that Greensboro's era is worse than Guilford's make the Quakers ineligible to having one of the the top 10 worst ERA's in Division III? I would just like to know which player you are on that team. I know you were getting all over the guy from greensboro that you thought was pretending to be someone else, but in fact, I think the person pretending to be someone else is you.

You will soon see its better to keep your mouth shut if you are a player. Word will eventually get out at who you are and when it does, only trouble will await you. All the blabber that you have said will come back. Atleast Manfro is man enough to admit who he is.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 02, 2009, 05:26:09 PM
Winchester escaped with only a dusting of snow last night and the ground is 99.9% bare.  There will be baseball played up at the top of state on Wednesday. 

:D   :D  :D  :D

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 02, 2009, 06:11:40 PM
It would appear, from looking at the NCWC schedule, that the game vs LC has been changed to WEDS and 3 PM.  No announcement at either the NCWC or the LC websites, though.
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Post by: vabaseball on March 02, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
Good news about Shenandoah.  I heard that CNU is switching from baseball to Nordic events.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 02, 2009, 09:09:05 PM
NCWC game vs Lnchburg is officially changed to Wednesday at 3pm.  NCWC hasn't played in 10 days so maybe the layoff will be like a new start to the season.  They sure need it.  NCWC has weekend series with CNU and Lynchburg with Emory and Henry so I doubt we'll see number 1 and 2's for both teams.  I am assuming NCWC will throw one of their middle relief guys and hope to keep game close. 8) Pitching staff has not been handled the way I thought they should so far this year...but still time.
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Post by: A.G. on March 02, 2009, 09:45:05 PM
Lynchburg has not played in about 10 days either, since the weekend at Methodist.  It would not surprise me to see a 1-2 innings out of the top 4 pitchers on both teams to get them back in game mode. 

Will you be there, LTHS?  I will be making the drive down.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 03, 2009, 06:27:46 AM
A,G.
unfortunetely for me it's a mid week game and I can't make those due to work.  I'm in the Navy so not so easy to get off work.  I hope it's a good one.  Post the highlights if you don't mind once game is over.
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Post by: eraguy1975 on March 03, 2009, 01:52:25 PM
what happened to former bright spots Jake Loye and Sibrizzi from Averett, they seem to have gotten worse. What happened to Ferrums Lincoln Garner from last year, did he transfer again?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 03, 2009, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 03, 2009, 06:27:46 AM
A,G.
unfortunetely for me it's a mid week game and I can't make those due to work.  I'm in the Navy so not so easy to get off work.  I hope it's a good one.  Post the highlights if you don't mind once game is over.

Will do...on THURSDAY, though, as I understand the game was pushed back yet again.
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Post by: TheRightHander on March 03, 2009, 05:55:41 PM

Quote from: fightingquaker1 on March 01, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
I think Greensboro got really lucky this weekend with this weather. Shenandoah is rolling and have won 8 in a row. GC might have been doing the rain dance out on the practice field on Friday  :P

What a stupid thing to say. Honestly,  what baseball player wishes for rain?!
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Post by: narch on March 03, 2009, 09:01:25 PM
the monarchs took one on the chin in myrtle beach today (their second trip to play at the ripken complex this spring) - catholic pulls out an 8-3 win - inghram and davis hit hr's for mu - kurt kelly went six, giving up 5 er on 6 hits...it's not a quality start from a statistical standpoint, but given all he's been through with arm injuries, it's good to see him get 6 innings
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Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 04, 2009, 02:02:04 AM
To HighHeat: I apologize for my statistics backing up my statements. I thought you were an ignorant Greensboro College player. Come to find out, you're from Virginia. That being said, I just get tired of everyone pointing out all of the terrible stats for the Quakers. No one mentions that they are 9-3 and Kyle Wooden is batting .614 12 games into the season. Give the team some credit...and just to make you happy, I am not a player for Guilford!!! I am a relative of a player and someone who loves the game of baseball. I also do not respect Greensboro College's baseball program....enough said about that.

To TheRightHander: I was joking first off. Secondly, have you ever seen Bull Durham my man? I pray you have as a ballplayer. Some days, I would argue that almost any player would like a day off. The rain out may have slowed down Shenandoah's momentum or gave you guys a day or two to regroup. Good luck this weekend. I see where you guys go on a little spring break road trip. Let's get that ERA under a half-dozen before you get back man  ;)

Hopefully the weather will allow some baseball to be played this weekend. I see where it will be 70 degrees in Greensboro this weekend. Thank you God.

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Post by: coachmilburn on March 04, 2009, 08:21:54 AM
DH today in Winchester, Gettysburg comes to Winchester for 1pm start.  Finally a game back at Bridgeforth since Feb. 25th.  At least I caught the DH last Saturday over in Shepherdstown, WV.

I bet the Greensboro folks wishes they would have looked at the weather forecast last Friday in more detail to figure out that Winchester was the only option to get those games in last weekend.  Must give them credit for postponing the games on Saturday on Friday because it saved a nights stay in the hotel.

Anyone know if there are protocols in place when conference games get PPD?  I believe the USA-South conference admin's are against the kids missing class, so how could these games be made up during the week days?

How 'bout Ferrum staying 3 nights in Newport News and never played.

Sounds like USA-South admin's need to hire an official weather-forecaster.   :) 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 04, 2009, 10:46:28 AM
I am going to catch Methodist at VA Wesleyan here in Norfolk, VA at 3 PM.  Should be a good one, since MU beat VA Wesleyan 6-1 in Fayetteville.  Maybe Bulman will throw again...he got touched up in 1/3 innings last time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USAS09FAN on March 04, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Coach, why would it even matter how the weather was up in Winchester this past weekend? The games were sched. down in greensboro. The conf caught a bad break as a whole with the weather this past weekend.

And i do believe as far as conf. games protocol each team must get in a min. of ten games. I couldnt imagine these games being made up due to sched conflicts and no open dates from now to conf tourney in april. Remember last year that CNU and GBoro finished up with one less game played then every other USAS team due to a rain out.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 04, 2009, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 04, 2009, 10:46:28 AM
I am going to catch Methodist at VA Wesleyan here in Norfolk, VA at 3 PM.  Should be a good one, since MU beat VA Wesleyan 6-1 in Fayetteville.  Maybe Bulman will throw again...he got touched up in 1/3 innings last time.
Game has been pushed back till Thrusday. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2009, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 04, 2009, 08:21:54 AMAnyone know if there are protocols in place when conference games get PPD?  I believe the USA-South conference admin's are against the kids missing class, so how could these games be made up during the week days?
i'm pretty sure usas09fan is correct re: the 10 game minimum
Quote from: USAS09FAN on March 04, 2009, 11:44:44 AMAnd i do believe as far as conf. games protocol each team must get in a min. of ten games. I couldnt imagine these games being made up due to sched conflicts and no open dates from now to conf tourney in april. Remember last year that CNU and GBoro finished up with one less game played then every other USAS team due to a rain out.
it's unfortunate that this had to happen - i know mu explored the possibility of playing 2 vs. averett on friday...not sure why that fell through, but it was probably a timing issue, as much as anything...that decision would've had to been made by tuesday or wednesday, it seems, to make it happen logistically - it seems like every year the usasac tournament is a week before the rest of the tournaments happening nationally (maybe it just seems that way)...if that is the case, the conference should look to build in an "open" weekend before the tournament (although the argument could be made that it doesn't matter, since there is no real reward for being regular season champion) - it would be nice to have every team on equal ground when tournament seeding is at stake, though
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 04, 2009, 03:34:23 PM
I still think the USA SOUTH starts play one week too early.  7th of February is brutal for baseball...maybe that should be moved back at least one week...I see a lot of teams on top 25 ranking that have played no games to date.  I don't know what the answer is but moving the tournament in Burlington one week to the right maight help with early scheduling. ;D
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Post by: hokieone on March 04, 2009, 05:24:33 PM
I agree with moving USAS Tournament a little later-we seem to be one of the earliest conferences to do their tournament each year. Playing only 12 conference games tightens it up as well when old man winter gets balky, but starting early does give a little margin for weather. March storms happen, this one was just worse than normal.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 04, 2009, 07:11:05 PM
"USAS09FAN", if I recall correctly back in 2005 or 2006?, there may of been a last minute flip with the game site location when Shenandoah was supposed to travel away or the opponent was suppose to travel to Winchester which was done to get the conference games in (based on the bad weather or unplayable field conditions).  I might be wrong as I cannot remember precisely, but I believed it might have happened previously??  Just want to make it clear, that I am no longer a coach as I was a volunteer with the local university back in 2005.  As I understand the conference tournament, it's dictated by Averett University since they graduate a week or two earlier than everyone else in the USA-South.  If I am mistaken, someone can correct me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 04, 2009, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 04, 2009, 07:11:05 PM
"USAS09FAN", if I recall correctly back in 2005 or 2006?, there may of been a last minute flip with the game site location when Shenandoah was supposed to travel away or the opponent was suppose to travel to Winchester which was done to get the conference games in (based on the bad weather or unplayable field conditions).  I might be wrong as I cannot remember precisely, but I believed it might have happened previously??  Just want to make it clear, that I am no longer a coach as I was a volunteer with the local university back in 2005.  As I understand the conference tournament, it's dictated by Averett University since they graduate a week or two earlier than everyone else in the USA-South.  If I am mistaken, someone can correct me.

can someone tell me why this guy keeps talking about winchester, va.?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2009, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 04, 2009, 09:21:07 PM
can someone tell me why this guy keeps talking about winchester, va.?
i think the point is that the series this weekend between gc and su could have been played if it had been moved to winchester, va...maybe...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2009, 05:09:03 AM
Shenandoah University is located in Winchester, the northernmost school in the USAS by a long shot. They  log a ton of travel miles

FYI,  Shenandoah's closest conference opponent is CNU, 3 hours south. They'd probably have less travel if they went D-II and joined the WVIAC.

Coach Milburn was an assistant at Shenandoah, has assisted at local high schools, can be seen at ball games all over  this area, and is well known and respected in baseball circles up this way.
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Post by: coachmilburn on March 05, 2009, 05:39:24 AM
Better idea yet, many individuals have always stated that Guliford and Shenandoah should swap their conferences.  Guilford goes into USA-South and SU goes into ODAC.  For traveling purposes, it makes pretty good sense for everyone involved in both conferences, does it not?  Wonder what is preventing that from happening?

I agree with you "hokieone", that SU would most likely have less travel in the D-II, WVIAC, but do not believe that will ever happen.  Do you not remember reading the story back in the fall about how much debt that they had.  :-\

Shenandoah long-term debt at nearly $46.7M (Winchester Star, 9/15/2008)
http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20080915&file=Shenandoahdebt_article.html (http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20080915&file=Shenandoahdebt_article.html)

Again, anyone know what is preventing the swap with Guilford and Shenandoah? 

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2009, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 05, 2009, 05:39:24 AM
Better idea yet, many individuals have always stated that Guliford and Shenandoah should swap their conferences.  Guilford goes into USA-South and SU goes into ODAC.  For traveling purposes, it makes pretty good sense for everyone involved in both conferences, does it not?  Wonder what is preventing that from happening?

I agree with you "hokieone", that SU would most likely have less travel in the D-II, WVIAC, but do not believe that will ever happen.  Do you not remember reading the story back in the fall about how much debt that they had.  :-\

Shenandoah long-term debt at nearly $46.7M (Winchester Star, 9/15/2008)
http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20080915&file=Shenandoahdebt_article.html (http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20080915&file=Shenandoahdebt_article.html)

Again, anyone know what is preventing the swap with Guilford and Shenandoah? 



How about a two team swap.  ferrum and SU for VWC and Lynchburg.  Sounds good to me.   If I remember both VWC and Lynchburg are original Dixie conference members. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 05, 2009, 10:09:36 AM
the odac is a conference with many small, private institutions and has not changed up its order from as far back as i can remember. i think its more of the fact that the odac doesnt want a larger, public university in its conference than the usa south's vision of guilford entering their conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 05, 2009, 11:01:32 AM
Shenandoah University is a small, private university that runs around the 31k mark to attend.

I believe the only public school in the USA-South is CNU? that runs under the 17k mark to attend.  I have never been to CNU, but understand their facilities are at a level that are better than some D1's.   I would think with the lower tuition and the facilities that they have, they should be in position to win every conference title in every sport. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
I put CNU and Salisbury in the same category in that with them being state schools with much lower tuition's than the largely private and not cheap schools they compete against they should always a advantage when recruiting.   Having been to CNU they do have the best overall facilities in the USA South.  But again I remember when we played CNU back in the late 90's they played baseball on a bad High School field and know they have perhaps they best baseball facilities just behind a certain team in Rocky Mount, NC. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2009, 11:43:16 AM
My experience back in the days when my sons were being recruited was that most private schools could come up with academic grants that brought the cost of private school down to something pretty close to the cost of a public school. CNU seems to have much less flexibility in getting "marginal" academic performers admitted; there have been quite a few baseball players they've wanted to recruit in recent years, but couldn't get them in, yet they got in to some private schools.  Don't take this the wrong way, public or private, the athlete has to do the academic work once admitted or he won't last long, but public schools have less latitude in taking a chance.  One of the Tidewater newspapers did a story a year or so ago about how the increasing academic standards had hurt some sports at CNU. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 05, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 05, 2009, 05:39:24 AMAgain, anyone know what is preventing the swap with Guilford and Shenandoah? 
su actually applied for entry to the odac this past year and was shot down...apparently, they've made overtures to the odac numerous times, always to be rebuffed - there has been much discussion of possible conference realignment on the usasac football and hoops boards, and the most likely scenario is that the usasac will absorb the gsac (piedmont, lagrange, huntingdon and maryville) - if this happens, i think su will most certainly bolt for a conference like the cac or the mac or pac or ??? (help me out, ralph turner :)) - it wouldn't shock me to see cnu leave for a conference like the cac, as well, which is already a "mixed" conference (public and private) with salisbury in the mix - i would hate to lose su and/or cnu, but in the case of su, i could clearly understand...travel for them is very tough now...it would be nearly impossible if the usasac and gsac merge

if this did happen, i think it's 1/2 dozen in one hand and 6 in the other from a baseball standpoint - piedmont, lagrange and huntingdon are always very solid baseball teams that most of the usasac already plays
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Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Well great, NCWC gets back into their normal impressive form beating Lynchburg today, 4-1, just in time for the weekend series with CNU. Should be a good series, weather forecast for mid-70's. Breaking out the shorts and snow white legs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 05, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Well great, NCWC gets back into their normal impressive form beating Lynchburg today, 4-1, just in time for the weekend series with CNU. Should be a good series, weather forecast for mid-70's. Breaking out the shorts and snow white legs!
Knowles throw a gem today.  Looks like Lynchburg threw the phonebook today.  NCWC scores runs off of Breedlove and Devlin.  I bet with Lynchburg pitching the phonebook today they did expect to have runs given up by their two best pitchers. 
Good to see my guys get back on track.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 05, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: narch on March 05, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 05, 2009, 05:39:24 AMAgain, anyone know what is preventing the swap with Guilford and Shenandoah? 
su actually applied for entry to the odac this past year and was shot down...apparently, they've made overtures to the odac numerous times, always to be rebuffed - there has been much discussion of possible conference realignment on the usasac football and hoops boards, and the most likely scenario is that the usasac will absorb the gsac (piedmont, lagrange, huntingdon and maryville) - if this happens, i think su will most certainly bolt for a conference like the cac or the mac or pac or ??? (help me out, ralph turner :)) - it wouldn't shock me to see cnu leave for a conference like the cac, as well, which is already a "mixed" conference (public and private) with salisbury in the mix - i would hate to lose su and/or cnu, but in the case of su, i could clearly understand...travel for them is very tough now...it would be nearly impossible if the usasac and gsac merge

if this did happen, i think it's 1/2 dozen in one hand and 6 in the other from a baseball standpoint - piedmont, lagrange and huntingdon are always very solid baseball teams that most of the usasac already plays

SU is always rumoured to be leaving. I'm surprised no other conference has snatched them to use them as whipping boys. Their athletic program is not very good. Not sure why the ODAC keeps telling them to kiss off. Maybe they don't like the folks in the Athletic Dept.  Meanwhile we'll just have to keep listening to them flapping about leaving for greener pastures.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 05, 2009, 06:19:09 PM
Shenandoah baseball gets another quality win in getting past Bridgewater today by the score of 22-11 in Winchester.   SU has faced two quality pitchers on BW's staff, Casey Hartman last week (8 to 4 win) and John Sinclair today.

I believe the 13-1 start for the season is the best ever in the school's history.  Big weekend with Methodist coming to town.  Should be good baseball this weekend with temps expected in the upper 60's.  I always enjoy watching Coach Austin's teams as they are always fundamental sound and very disciplined.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 05, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
Still not impressed by Shenandoah's start.  Their opponents winning record is 8-34.  Nice 13-1 start but they are beating up on bad D3 programs....

Good to see NCWC back on track.  Max Knowles threw another gem...back to back complete games by the young sophmore.  Hope he starts seeing the weekend rotation, specially with the injured starting rotation of Moore, Lucas and Diener.  Quality win vs #24 opponent.  I am sure CNU was hoping for the continued downward trend...J. Lucas and B. Moore going Saturday and Sunday...sweep would be nice. ::)
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Post by: A.G. on March 05, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 05, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 05, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Well great, NCWC gets back into their normal impressive form beating Lynchburg today, 4-1, just in time for the weekend series with CNU. Should be a good series, weather forecast for mid-70's. Breaking out the shorts and snow white legs!
Knowles throw a gem today.  Looks like Lynchburg threw the phonebook today.  NCWC scores runs off of Breedlove and Devlin.  I bet with Lynchburg pitching the phonebook today they did expect to have runs given up by their two best pitchers. 
Good to see my guys get back on track.   

Yes...the young man threw a fine game.  Nice and quick...was over by 5:20.  If not for the 3-run bomb in the 8th...I imagine it may have well ended up as a 1-1 tie when darkness came.
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Post by: hokieone on March 06, 2009, 06:45:39 AM
Don't be fooled by the pastry shelf early schedule,  Shenandoah can surely hit; they had sticks last year, just not enough arms.  It's hard to judge the pitching but it appears improved. Bridgewater isn't a bad club at all and Shenandoah beat them twice, although yesterday's game was gift-wrapped with Bridgewater walking 7, hitting 6, and making 4 errors-adds up to 17 free baserunners. The Hornets have two this weekend at Methodist, never anybody's gimmee, then mid-week BP with Roanoke, then two at CNU. After those five games, you'll have a better idea of how strong Shenandoah really is.  If the pitching is there, could be interesting. They did understandably get top 25 votes this week.

  Looking forward to a beautiful weekend in Rocky Mount watching CNU at NCWC. I kinda hoped NCWC would not right their ship till after we played them but it looks like they had a nice victory over a very fine Lynchburg club yesterday. Always a pleasure to visit NCWC-great rivalry, great fans, and the weather looks gorgeous-busting out the shorts time!   
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Post by: narch on March 06, 2009, 08:17:26 AM
hokieone...a little excited about putting on some shorts, aren't you :)

mu lost to vwc 6-3 yesterday, stranding 12 runners while dropping to 7-5 - bisp gave up 5 runs in 6 ip...meaning the pups (mahaffey and fasano) will probably be weekend guys going forward - jordan pitched 2/3 of an inning (he gave up 1 hit, 1 walk and 1 run)...if/when he gets fully healthy, monarch pitching could be very deep...in the meantime, let's see if su is the real thing - hokieone is right, they have some solid sticks...i'm hoping the young monarch arms can hold them in check enough to get a couple of w's
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 06, 2009, 11:03:17 PM
I will be driving down Saturday AM for the games at Rocky Mount vs CNU.  Big 3 run HR by Luke Williford to beat a fine Lynchburg team.  I hope we can take the momentum to face a very good hitting CNU squad.  I expect to see John Lucas and Ben Moore vs Josh Brinkman and Jason Jenkins...should be 2 low scoring games.
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Post by: CaptJ on March 07, 2009, 07:48:40 PM
Hey 85, check your messages.
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Post by: vabaseball on March 07, 2009, 08:20:59 PM
I see there was quite a "pitching duel" between Methodist and Shenandoah today...
Methodist gets by with a 20-19 win.

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Post by: narch on March 07, 2009, 08:27:51 PM
mahaffey got a rather rude introduction to usasac weekends today - the monarch offense gave him an 8-1 lead after 3, and he couldn't get out of the 4th, giving up 6 runs in the frame...hopefully that will be a good learning experience for the frosh, and hopefully fasano learned a little from his experience, as well :)

inghram had a pretty huge day going 5-7 with a hr, 6 rbi and 3 runs
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 07, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
I was at Rocky Mount today watching CNU-NCWC game and was absolutely baffled at how pitching staff is being handled at NCWC.  Pitchers are being left to absolutely get killed.  Starter John Lucas pitched great 5 innings but once he got in trouble in a 1-1 score 6th inning, the house just came down.  We keep using the same guys on the pen that are not getting the job done.  2 different pitchers came in and got no outs and gave up 9 runs....ridiculous...I hope to see some new arms tomorrow. :'(
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Post by: coachmilburn on March 07, 2009, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 07, 2009, 08:20:59 PM
I see there was quite a "pitching duel" between Methodist and Shenandoah today...
Methodist gets by with a 20-19 win.

Today's game by far, was one of the wildest games that I have ever witnessed.  There was no quit in either team.  
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Post by: randomguy on March 07, 2009, 10:24:44 PM
not sure if anyone cares, but averett won over ferrum today...
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Post by: vabaseball on March 08, 2009, 07:07:23 AM
I care about Averett and Ferrum!   And that was a respectable game, 4-3.  Looks like Hildreth had a solid outing.
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Post by: narch on March 08, 2009, 04:19:38 PM
monarchs in a landslide, 25-4 - fasano with a complete game (7 innings) - davis with 2 hrs and 7 rbi, inghram was 4-6 with a hr and 4 rbi

box score (http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/030809.htm)
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 08, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
Bishops rebound with a 7-6 win against CNU. 
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 08, 2009, 09:56:30 PM
Great win for NCWC over #20 CNU Sunday to earn a split this weekend.  After Saturday's debacle, LF Joel Creef who is hitting .439 and finally hitting leadoff, tore the cover off the ball and had 3 more RBI's.  3B Zollie Woodlief continues to tear it up with another HR, which was the difference in the game.
Starting pitching continues to be left on to get hit way too long...not sure if coach lost confidence in bullpen.

Piedmont at 9-5 comes into Rocky Mount Monday and Tuesday for 2 game set. 
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Post by: NCWC on March 08, 2009, 11:09:15 PM
hopefully, the early season spankings will pay off in these conference games.  Has anyone who saw John Shearon pitch last year and this year explain to me what he is doing.  Charlie knows what he is doing, there is a method to whatever stance he is taking with his pitching staff.

Catfish,  there are a few kids im working with that you might want to take a look at. Think of it as a spring break.
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Post by: coachmilburn on March 08, 2009, 11:50:18 PM
I have NEVER seen a team hit like that in a 2-day span. I left wondering, can Methodist be that good of hitting ball club OR was it just one of those weekends where their hitting was so contagious? The majority of their swings were short and compact that generated bat speed.  I wonder during Coach Austin's 29+ yrs, 1200+ games, has he ever seen a 2 day hitting storm like that?

I still like SU's team; they showed me a lot on Saturday as the kept battling back multiples times. As someone stated, it's easy to come back on Sunday after winning a 20-19, 4hr and 15min 10inn game on Saturday but if your team would be on the other side ... that would be a mentally tough thing to rebound from.

As Yogi is quoted, "Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical."

Best thing about baseball, there is always the next day, which is Monday to play your next opponent.
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Post by: HighHeat on March 09, 2009, 02:16:32 PM
three crazy things that i just stumbled upon...

-Ben Moore from NC Wesleyan gives up 14 hits and still gets the win against CNU.

-Casey Hartman from Bridgewater gives up eight earned runs and gets the victory over Guilford. His counterpart, Alex Pecevich of GC, gives up six earned through two innings!!

-Wes Hayden from Mary Washington doesn't give up an earned run through ten innings against number one Salisbury and gets the no-decision.

My how the game of baseball can be so kind to some and so cruel to others!
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Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
We have a Justin Batts sighting
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 09, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 09, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
We have a Justin Batts sighting
You know I got him 2 years ago on the gun at 91ish.  Hopefully he can close out some games this year.  He sure has the arm for it. 
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 09, 2009, 08:31:21 PM
NCWC pulls another win vs a Piedmont team that came in at 9-5 with two wins over Montclair St.  Sophmore Justin Diener pitched a gem and the bullpen blows up again!  This is a common theme with this team. 
Luke Williford with 2 HR's in last 4 games bails bullpen out again with 3 run shot in the 7th.  Justin Batts comes in the 9th for the save...I hear he was throwing 90.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 09, 2009, 08:45:59 PM
NC Wesleyan earns the programs 1,000th victory today.  Go Bishops
http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/2008-09/news/16pc.htm
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Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2009, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 09, 2009, 08:31:21 PM
NCWC pulls another win vs a Piedmont team that came in at 9-5 with two wins over Montclair St.  Sophmore Justin Diener pitched a gem and the bullpen blows up again!  This is a common theme with this team. 
Luke Williford with 2 HR's in last 4 games bails bullpen out again with 3 run shot in the 7th.  Justin Batts comes in the 9th for the save...I hear he was throwing 90.



This seems to be a common theme with your posts.  How about the three errors the defense made.

Of the ten runs, five of them were earned
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Post by: vabaseball on March 10, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
Good point, NCWC.
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Post by: NCWC on March 10, 2009, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 07, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
I was at Rocky Mount today watching CNU-NCWC game and was absolutely baffled at how pitching staff is being handled at NCWC.  Pitchers are being left to absolutely get killed.  Starter John Lucas pitched great 5 innings but once he got in trouble in a 1-1 score 6th inning, the house just came down.  We keep using the same guys on the pen that are not getting the job done.  2 different pitchers came in and got no outs and gave up 9 runs....ridiculous...I hope to see some new arms tomorrow. :'(

Once again in this game the two pitchers that came in and didn't record an out got hit around a little bit. BUT, out of the six runs they gave up combined, three of these are earned.  If you look back over the past couple of years you will notice the bishop starters have a high percentage of throwing a complete game.  These guys that are having trouble out of the pen need to work through their problems on the field if they want to have any chance of winning the conference.


John Shearon had a 1.68 era in 44.1 innings last year, Webb had a 3.18 in 22 point something innings.  If these guys are struggling toward the end of the year it will be extremely difficult to win.  But just because they are struggling as of late doesn't mean you lose faith in them.  It was a cold winter and from what I have heard neither of them are dialed in yet.  Maybe the addition of Justin Batts in the bullpen will take some stress of from the rest of the relievers.
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Post by: narch on March 10, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 08, 2009, 11:50:18 PMI wonder during Coach Austin's 29+ yrs, 1200+ games, has he ever seen a 2 day hitting storm like that?
given the fact that the monarchs beat m'ville 43-0 in 1991, i suspect he has :) - i've seen that box score before, and it was amazing (i think it used to be on the d3 baseball website that jim dixon ran prior to joining forces with d3sports.com) - if i remember correct, there were guys that played 3-4 innings and got 6 ab's

i will say that when the monarchs have won this year, they've scored a lot of runs - in their 9 wins they've scored 13, 7, 17, 12, 17, 12, 6, 20, 25...double digits in 7 of 9 games and an average of 14.33 runs per game...i don't expect that to continue throughout the season, but they are ripping it right now - the lowest batting average among the regulars is .308 and they're hitting .361 as a team

just so i'm not playing favorites with the offensive guys, here is a little love (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/3/9/BB_0309091700.aspx) for the pitchers (or at least a former monarch pitcher) - blake maxwell picked up a save in a spring training game vs. the pirates - blake looks like he's lost a little of the extra poundage he carried as a monarch in that picture...i hope he can pitch well enough to continue to advance this season...
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 10, 2009, 03:28:59 PM
NCWC scores a early afternoon win versus Piedmont 6-3.  BTW  LTHSDAD the bullpen did not give up any runs today.  Lets hope this a trend for the rest of the year with the bullpen coming along strong.  They are playing HSC in the second half of a doubleheader for the bishops.  According to the live stats feed Shearon is starting the 2nd game. 
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 10, 2009, 07:17:16 PM
Catfish,
great job by RHP Johnathan Shearon in the second game today vs HSC.  Pitching really looked solid today.  I can't say enough about how impressed I am with LHP Max Knowles.  He went to 3-0 today after pitching another good game, best of all Bishops have won 6 of last 8.  Offense is really coming together and I hope they continue to play well.  Tough 9-2 Stevenson University coming in for 2 game series Wed/Thu.  Supposed to be 80F at Rocky Mount Wednesday.
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Post by: coachmilburn on March 10, 2009, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: narch on March 10, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
given the fact that the monarchs beat m'ville 43-0 in 1991, i suspect he has :) - i've seen that box score before, and it was amazing (i think it used to be on the d3 baseball website that jim dixon ran prior to joining forces with d3sports.com) - if i remember correct, there were guys that played 3-4 innings and got 6 ab's

Hey "narch", that was a 1-day tornado you referenced back in '91!  :)
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Post by: narch on March 10, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
another double digit day for the monarchs, winning 12-5 vs. ehc - kelly goes 5 and gets his second win of the season, giving up 8 hits and 5 er - inghram goes 3-3 with 3 rbi and halpin hits 2 bombs...the monarchs pounded out 21 hits as a team - ehc again wednesday

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0310.htm)
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 11, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
NCWC rolls off another win.  7-3 over Stevenson University.  That is 5 in a row for the Bishops.  After starting 3-9 they are now 9-10.  Keep up the good work. 
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Post by: Tireman4 on March 11, 2009, 05:45:32 PM
Pulling for the Bishops to do well this year!!!!
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Post by: narch on March 11, 2009, 09:17:03 PM
16 runs on 15 hits for the monarchs...0 runs on 2 hits for the wasps - 73 runs in 4 games...pretty amazing run

bisp looked really sharp today

the monarchs are now hitting .373 as a team...16 games into the season - double header with albertus magnus on thursday...i couldn't tell you the first thing about albertus magnus, though...i'm hoping the monarchs get a couple of w's, but more importantly, i'm hoping they don't have to go through too many arms before the weekend

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0311.htm)
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Post by: NCWC on March 11, 2009, 10:58:46 PM
Out of curiosity, what was the weather like this weekend for the Methodist series?
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Post by: TheRightHander on March 12, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 09, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 09, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
We have a Justin Batts sighting
You know I got him 2 years ago on the gun at 91ish.  Hopefully he can close out some games this year.  He sure has the arm for it. 

I'm a  5'7'' Sophomore throwing 91- 92ish , not bragging, Just saying.  ;)
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Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 12, 2009, 02:48:54 AM
Not bragging? What do you have to brag about? The 5.87 ERA or the 1-2 record? How about the overall 6-9 record of your team? Hey if you throw 91-92ish (love that term "ish", probably means 88-90), why can't you get some more "W's" for your team? And by the way, not too many scouts drool over the 5 foot, 7 inches prospect. Maybe you'll hit that growth spurt real soon  ;)
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Post by: Dirtybird on March 12, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
Well why your on the topic of ERA's quaker, was it you that was ragging on them for having an ERA that was far worse than Guilfords? Well since you bring it up the Greensboro ERA is now at a terrible 7.17 but the Guilford ERA is an even worse 7.35. Looking at his ERA yea its not very good but if you look at guys with more than 5 innings only 2 guys on Guilford have a better ERA. So before you start on Greensboro's pitching staff I would take a look at the Quaker staff. As to his height there was a 5 foot 7 pitcher for the Phillies last year so as long as he can bring it it does not matter how short you are. So keep it up little guy.

And now for the rest of the league. What are the schedules this weekend for conference games? I know CNU heads to Averett and Greensboro goes to NCWC. What do you think will shake out this weekend with these games?
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Post by: HighHeat on March 12, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
salisbury falls to york yesterday. the spartans are now 11-2. looks to me like the usa south and odac better be watching out for these guys considering salisbury is pretty much a lock for one at-large bid and if york continues the play the way they are, they are in a good spot to take another.

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Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 12, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
Dirtybird, I said nothing about Guilford having a better pitching staff than Greensboro. Except that the Quakers are 10-5 while the Pride is 6-9. And to your point about height in the MLB, I would almost guarantee that there are more 6 foot, 7 inches pitchers than 5 foot, 7 inches. There are probably a handful of players all together in the MLB that are smaller than 5 foot, 8 inches. I'm sure there is a Little Person's League  ;D
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Post by: Dirtybird on March 12, 2009, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: fightingquaker1 on March 02, 2009, 01:11:13 PM
Guilford's ERA is 6.75 which is terrible. Greensboro's ERA is 8.04. So, I don't know who you are exactly, but for my argument's sake....the stats don't lie.

Hmmm you saying this rings a bell. And then getting on another player about his ERA just does not work.
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Post by: NCWC on March 12, 2009, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on March 12, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 09, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 09, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
We have a Justin Batts sighting
You know I got him 2 years ago on the gun at 91ish.  Hopefully he can close out some games this year.  He sure has the arm for it. 

I'm a  5'7'' Sophomore throwing 91- 92ish , not bragging, Just saying.  ;)


You took the mph thing out of context.  There were a couple posts bashing NCWCs bullpen.  Justin threw a couple of years ago out of the pen and since then i dont think he has seen much action on the mound.  The NCWC fans on this board weren't bragging about how hard he threw, there was just a little excitement on our part because justin would help out a struggling bullpen.

Thats wonderful you are 5'7'' and can throw 90ish.  That line must work with the high school girls.
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Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 12, 2009, 02:22:29 PM
QuoteThats wonderful you are 5'7'' and can throw 90ish.  That line must work with the high school girls.

Greatest line I've ever read on here. Thank you NCWC  ;D
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Post by: narch on March 12, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on March 12, 2009, 01:28:42 AMI'm a  5'7'' Sophomore throwing 91- 92ish , not bragging, Just saying.  ;)
i could care less if you threw 110 mph...get guys out - right now you've got a 6.14 era, you're allowing a .296 baa, you've thrown 5 wild pitches and you're giving up 1.68 walks and hits per inning pitched...that's a lot of base runners, regardless of how hard you throw - i'm sure you're better than your numbers indicate, and i admire anyone who is your size and can bring it like that, but is the self-aggrandizing puffery really necessary?
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Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 12, 2009, 03:08:18 PM
narch, thank you. I thought I was the only one who actually looked at his stats from this year. He just isn't getting any results...
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 12, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
Bishops pull off another win today to get back to 10-10 and a .500 record with their 6th win in a row. 
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Post by: TheRightHander on March 12, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
hahaha. I never said anything about records stats or anything just trying to figure out why everyone is so impressed when one guy hit 90. But if it makes you feel better I'll agree with you my stats aren't great. I'm glad you are so concerned about what I've done. Our team can't wait to start conference after playing a tough schedule against four or five ranked teams. Sure we had a rough start but It's how you finish. :)
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 12, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on March 12, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
hahaha. I never said anything about records stats or anything just trying to figure out why everyone is so impressed when one guy hit 90. But if it makes you feel better I'll agree with you my stats aren't great. I'm glad you are so concerned about what I've done. Our team can't wait to start conference after playing a tough schedule against four or five ranked teams. Sure we had a rough start but It's how you finish. :)
are you throwing saturday or sunday this weekend I may have to make a trip to Rocky Mount and actually get you on the gun.  I actually got Batts on the gun at 91-92 two years ago as opposed to some dude saying he hits 9's.  I can not tell you how many times I hear from people this guy throws 9's and I get to the game and they are 86ish.  I actually hope you do throw that hard.  I love to get real prospects under my name so I can make some money. 
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Post by: randomguy on March 12, 2009, 07:18:44 PM
I have never understood the obsession with 90.  If you throw 90 does that automatically make youa prospect over someone who throws 86-88? I have seen alot of guys get to play pro ball because of velocity, when I have watched them get outpitched by slower guys. personally ive been hit harder when my mechanics were changed in order to throw harder. The radar gun looked better, but stat line looked worse.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 12, 2009, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: randomguy on March 12, 2009, 07:18:44 PM
I have never understood the obsession with 90.  If you throw 90 does that automatically make youa prospect over someone who throws 86-88? I have seen alot of guys get to play pro ball because of velocity, when I have watched them get outpitched by slower guys. personally ive been hit harder when my mechanics were changed in order to throw harder. The radar gun looked better, but stat line looked worse.

Minor league baseball/ pro scounting is all about potential not how good you are at the current level of baseball you are playing but how well you perhaps project at the next level.  Arm strength is one of the main components to scouting a pitcher, if you have a secondary pitch that can get people out at the next level and if you can command at least pitches.   Those are things scouts look for in a pitcher. 
I say to a lot of people that Numbers may get you look at but Tools get you signed/drafted. 
Their is nothing wrong with being a very good college baseball player but that is why see some pitchers who throw in that mid 80's range for have sick numbers and don't get drafted and then pitchers who put up average or bad numbers and they get drafted because they project. 
Besides kids who are signed to fill lower level roster spots you are not going to get signed with the thought of you being a really good Single A player with no future.  I am sure a lot of players in the USA South could do well in Rookie Ball Single A ball but it is the guy who projects to be able to excel in the upper levels with a chance to make it to MLB with their to TOOLS.   For every Jamie Moyer 100 guys with 90+ mph fastball will get signed.  I bet if Jamie Moyer were pitching in the USA South today at 20 years old with the stuff he has today he would go undrafted.   If you have any other questions please feel free to send me a personal message on scouting.  I love talking about this stuff.
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Post by: narch on March 12, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 12, 2009, 08:45:55 PMIf you have any other questions please feel free to send me a personal message on scouting.  I love talking about this stuff.
catfish, don't confine that talk to personal messages...we love reading about it

the monarchs get another 27 runs in two 7 inning games today, winning 12-2 and 15-1...i hope they saved a few hits for ferrum this weekend

tre britt pitched well  in the first game (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0312a.htm), getting the 7 inning cg, striking out 6 and allowing 2 er on 2 hits...maybe this will give him the confidence to match his stuff

josh andrade got the win in game 2 (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0312b.htm), going 4 and giving up 1 er on 3 hits - white, wilkins and sholar each pitched a hitless inning to finish things off

the best thing about the games today is that the monarchs didn't have to alter their pitching plans and were able to keep the rotation in line for the weekend

obviously, mu was playing inferior competition the last few days, but 100 runs in 6 games is ridiculous in tee ball :)...just imagine what mu would be doing offensively if kivett (who is hitting .407 with 6 hr and 22 rbi for uncp) were still in the lineup
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Post by: TheRightHander on March 13, 2009, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 12, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on March 12, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
hahaha. I never said anything about records stats or anything just trying to figure out why everyone is so impressed when one guy hit 90. But if it makes you feel better I'll agree with you my stats aren't great. I'm glad you are so concerned about what I've done. Our team can't wait to start conference after playing a tough schedule against four or five ranked teams. Sure we had a rough start but It's how you finish. :)
are you throwing saturday or sunday this weekend I may have to make a trip to Rocky Mount and actually get you on the gun.  I actually got Batts on the gun at 91-92 two years ago as opposed to some dude saying he hits 9's.  I can not tell you how many times I hear from people this guy throws 9's and I get to the game and they are 86ish.  I actually hope you do throw that hard.  I love to get real prospects under my name so I can make some money. 
Not sure. But i do hope to see you in the stands. And i wouldn't lie about something like that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 13, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
im over the issues of the number that shows up on the radar gun. look at travis beazley, jason glushon, chris rivera, etc. these guys all throw mid to upper 80s now and rely on movement, location to get the job done.

there are not to many guys pushing the radar gun mark over 90 consistantly at the d3 level. this is where the real question lies...if they are throwing the ball over 90 on a consistent basis, why are the playing division III?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 13, 2009, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 13, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
im over the issues of the number that shows up on the radar gun. look at travis beazley, jason glushon, chris rivera, etc. these guys all throw mid to upper 80s now and rely on movement, location to get the job done.

there are not to many guys pushing the radar gun mark over 90 consistantly at the d3 level. this is where the real question lies...if they are throwing the ball over 90 on a consistent basis, why are the playing division III?

their are not many guys who consistently are over 90.  I have been to many games this year including 4 D1 games and have not seen a 90 mph yet.  The hardest thrower I have seen is Breedlove from Lynchburg and he popped a few 88 and 89 pitches. 
I bet 90% of all pitchers at the D1 level wish they pitched in the 90's. 
I had to unlearn a stuff when I started scouting.  What makes one person successful at one level does not always translate to the next level.  I wish all the guys who play in the USA South, ODAC who put up good numbers would get drafted/signed to the next level but like I have said before numbers will get you looked at, Tools get you signed. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 13, 2009, 11:07:16 PM
Look for Franklin & Marshall to have a 20 win season and do not be surprised to see that they might have 1 or 2 players drafted.



WINCHESTER, Va. - Shenandoah University set new school records for most runs, hits and largest margin of victory in a 32-5 non-league baseball win over Franklin & Marshall Friday afternoon.

The Hornets (15-3) scored four runs in the first, eight in the second and then a combined 10 in the middle three frames to pull away from the Diplomats (1-2).

After substituting for all but one starter, the SU reserves finished off the game with a 10-run eighth.

In all 19 position players and four pitchers saw action in the contest for the hosts.

Sophomore Greg Van Sickler (3-1) started and tossed the first six innings before giving way to three relievers. Van Sickler allowed two runs on eight hits and two walks while striking out two. He also was 3 for 5 with four RBI at the plate before being lifted for a pinch hitter in the seventh.

Shenandoah had 11 extra-base hits including three home runs (two by Scott Van Dusseldorp).

The Hornets banged out 28 hits and had 27 runs batted in off of eight F&M pitchers; none of them lasted longer than six outs.

BoxScore : http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/031309.htm (http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/031309.htm)









Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 13, 2009, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 13, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
im over the issues of the number that shows up on the radar gun. look at travis beazley, jason glushon, chris rivera, etc. these guys all throw mid to upper 80s now and rely on movement, location to get the job done.

there are not to many guys pushing the radar gun mark over 90 consistantly at the d3 level. this is where the real question lies...if they are throwing the ball over 90 on a consistent basis, why are the playing division III?


I completely agree with you in what you are saying.  But, there comes a day when a pitcher may not be spot on with location or movement and maybe need to dial it up a little to make up for it. 86 flat and 92 flat are two different animals.  But i would take 87-88 with movement over 90-93 flat.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 13, 2009, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 13, 2009, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 13, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
im over the issues of the number that shows up on the radar gun. look at travis beazley, jason glushon, chris rivera, etc. these guys all throw mid to upper 80s now and rely on movement, location to get the job done.

there are not to many guys pushing the radar gun mark over 90 consistantly at the d3 level. this is where the real question lies...if they are throwing the ball over 90 on a consistent basis, why are the playing division III?

All this fastball talk is still assuming the pitcher can command at least two pitches for strikes and has a secondary out pitch.  If you throw 90 and have nothing to go with that 90 FB you are out of luck.  But if you throw mid to up 8's and have command of your pitches and a secondary pitch that can get people out you will get signed trust me. 
The problem with a lot of guys who throw in the mid 8's is that with that lack of "arm strength" the secondary pitch is missing bite and ultimately that is why they are not signed.   It is all about projecting the ability to get people out at the next level not actually getting people out at the level you are playing. 
I completely agree with you in what you are saying.  But, there comes a day when a pitcher may not be spot on with location or movement and maybe need to dial it up a little to make up for it. 86 flat and 92 flat are two different animals.  But i would take 87-88 with movement over 90-93 flat.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 13, 2009, 11:41:16 PM
Those are some huge numbers by SU.  Is it me or is their a lot of offensive in the South Region this year.  We are seeing a lot of runs being scored this year. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 13, 2009, 11:44:27 PM
i'm hoping mother nature doesn't dominate the weekend...the usasac can't afford a wet weekend
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 13, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
NCWC and Greensboro game cancelled for Saturday.  Doubleheader starting Sunday at 1100.  Hopefully weather holds up and we see John Lucas throw a good game...Hooya Bishops...Playing real great baseball.  Maybe the early beatings have made the team better.  I am sure proud of how the kids are playing and getting results.  I am crossing my fingers for sun on Sunday!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 14, 2009, 09:12:48 AM
   CNU and Averett now playing Sunday and Monday in Danville.

   Lots of crazy offensive numbers being put up in Southern Region, but to be fair, some of the teams surrendering those massive run and hit totals are just pathetic.  It seems that an awful lot of teams are either strong or pathetic, one  extreme or the other, with not too much in between.  "In Conference" numbers should be more realistic as USAS seems pretty balanced all things considered.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 14, 2009, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 13, 2009, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 13, 2009, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: HighHeat on March 13, 2009, 04:26:02 PM
im over the issues of the number that shows up on the radar gun. look at travis beazley, jason glushon, chris rivera, etc. these guys all throw mid to upper 80s now and rely on movement, location to get the job done.

there are not to many guys pushing the radar gun mark over 90 consistantly at the d3 level. this is where the real question lies...if they are throwing the ball over 90 on a consistent basis, why are the playing division III?

All this fastball talk is still assuming the pitcher can command at least two pitches for strikes and has a secondary out pitch.  If you throw 90 and have nothing to go with that 90 FB you are out of luck.  But if you throw mid to up 8's and have command of your pitches and a secondary pitch that can get people out you will get signed trust me. 
The problem with a lot of guys who throw in the mid 8's is that with that lack of "arm strength" the secondary pitch is missing bite and ultimately that is why they are not signed.   It is all about projecting the ability to get people out at the next level not actually getting people out at the level you are playing. 
I completely agree with you in what you are saying.  But, there comes a day when a pitcher may not be spot on with location or movement and maybe need to dial it up a little to make up for it. 86 flat and 92 flat are two different animals.  But i would take 87-88 with movement over 90-93 flat.

I was going on the basis they could throw their secondary pitches for strikes.  But was to tired and lazy to go back and change it.  Thank you for the heads up.  Hopefully, the extra day of rest will help our pitchers out, a lot of innings were logged this week.  Any idea who is throwing game two?  I'm assuming Shearon and Knowles should be able to throw in relief.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 14, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
So far, the teams that Shenandoah has played and was fortunate enough to put up 19 or more runs as of March 13th along with their current records :

(27) 2/18 Maine Presque Isle (0-8)
(20) 2/24 PSU-Altoona (6-6)
(22) 2/25 Eastern Mennonite University (6-9-1)
(22) 3/05 Bridgewater College (VA) (6-8)
(19) 3/07 Methodist University (13-5)
(32) 3/13 Franklin & Marshall, (PA) (1-2)

All of these teams are in SU's Region based on what I believe is a 250 mile radius of your school except Maine Presque Isle, so everyone's regional opponents will be different.

In my all of my years watching the SU teams in Winchester, this 2009 squad is the most productive by far.

Maine had a southern trip that consisted of stops with Ferrrum, Lynchburg, Roanoke, Shenandoah, Averett and Southern VA in that order which ended up being a nearly 2900 mile round trip.

Neat story about Maine Presque Isle that was in the NY Times, basically, "for the love of the game"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/sports/baseball/01maine.html
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 14, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Thanks for posting the link re: Maine Presque Isle, Coach.  Did you mean to say that Franklin and Marshall will have a 20 win season and a couple guys drafted?  Or was that really SU you were referring to?  If it's F&M I am wondering who they are going to have the 20 wins against.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 14, 2009, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 14, 2009, 12:55:51 PMNeat story about Maine Presque Isle that was in the NY Times, basically, "for the love of the game"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/sports/baseball/01maine.html
one of the most well-written articles i've read in a long time...thanks for sharing...if i ever see umpi playing against anyone other than mu, i'll give 'em a cheer or two :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 14, 2009, 04:11:01 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 14, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Thanks for posting the link re: Maine Presque Isle, Coach.  Did you mean to say that Franklin and Marshall will have a 20 win season and a couple guys drafted?  Or was that really SU you were referring to?  If it's F&M I am wondering who they are going to have the 20 wins against.
F&M every year hovers around the 20 win mark.  They have a solid program, nothing spectacular but solid program. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 15, 2009, 12:39:08 AM
Another washed out game Sunday in Rocky Mount.  Will play Greensboro on a DH on Monday starting at Noon.  Should be Lucas and Moore going for NCWC...
Another tough week coming up with Montclair State on Tuesday, HSC Wednesday and DH vs Tufts on Thursday before heading to Fayetteville for Conference match vs Methodist U.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 15, 2009, 09:41:34 AM
It amazes me at the apparent randomness the USAS makes up rained out games.  Some teams head out of town without playing on a Monday...and others schedule a DH on Monday to make up games.  Is there any rhyme or reason?  As of now...you guys may have an odd # of games deciding seeding once again.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 15, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
salisbury v. york cancelled. its a straight wash up this way!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 15, 2009, 11:50:24 AM
Worse case scenario, nobody down south gets their games in, this could be at least 3-4 games missed of conference games of the 12 total conference games.  Will there be any attempt to make these games up during the week ?

If I recall, to be crowned #1 seed for USA-South Tourney, I think you have at least 10 conference played ?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 15, 2009, 11:51:09 AM
And then a team might come to town, sit through rainouts on Sat., Sun. AND Monday (Ferrum at CNU).  That's the way it goes.  Not sure the #1 seed ended up providing a cakewalk through the tournament last year anyway.  Not like any team got a bye.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 16, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
I decided to check on the game time today for Wesleyan and it seems the games with GC are squashed or just vanished from the schedule.  Anybody with any knowledge of this situation out there?  And to think I was feelin kinda monday.



I found these stats on the USAS website:

Intentional BB allowed
1.     NELSON, Cory, SUB      32        
     FASANO, Ryan, MUB      32        
     BAUMANN, Kyle, CNUB      32        
     SIMONS, Josh, SUB      32        
5.     7 tied at ...     16
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 16, 2009, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 16, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
I decided to check on the game time today for Wesleyan and it seems the games with GC are squashed or just vanished from the schedule.  Anybody with any knowledge of this situation out there?  And to think I was feelin kinda monday.



I found these stats on the USAS website:

Intentional BB allowed
1.     NELSON, Cory, SUB      32        
     FASANO, Ryan, MUB      32        
     BAUMANN, Kyle, CNUB      32        
     SIMONS, Josh, SUB      32        
5.     7 tied at ...     16

games are postponed, it is suppose to rain all day in Rocky Mount. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 16, 2009, 12:52:04 PM
I wonder what's going on in Danville.  CNU is supposed to play a DH there today starting at noon.  Haven't seen any postings about cancellation.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2009, 01:25:08 PM
according to the usasac site, all games are cancelled...

if that's the case, here is the official score
mother nature 2, usasac baseball weekends 1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 16, 2009, 02:00:33 PM
Ah, didn't know about the composite schedule.  It actually does not have a cancellation by CNU/Averett.

All the others, yes.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 16, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Yep they played game one today in Danville and Averett beat CNU 5-4.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 16, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 16, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Yep they played game one today in Danville and Averett beat CNU 5-4.


WOW!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 16, 2009, 07:30:30 PM
WOW is right.  They even got through 6 innings of game two before the rain caused a halt.  CNU won that one 7-3 I think.  Well, no one can say that CNU didn't make a good faith effort to play games this year.  Sit around in Danville all weekend and then all day Monday when school is back in session.  That's enough to make the lesser students flunk out. 

Hats off to both teams.  But a real shame about the weather everywhere.  Danville just had a narrow window today with no downpours.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 17, 2009, 06:20:33 AM
A tip of the hat to Ben Hildreth, who pitched a sweet game for Averett to win the first game, and to the Higgins kid for hitting his first collegiate homer, the walkoff in the bottom of the 9th. Hildreth is impressive, good command, didn't get rattled when things got a little down.  He's one of the better arms in USAS.    The home plate ump told me between games that it was a good pitch, a curve ball down, Higgins just got it all.  Jason Jenkins pitched well for CNU to win the second game in the fog, drizzle, and rain. A line drive up the middle almost decapitated him in the bottom of the 5th.  Not good baseball conditions by any stretch but they got two games in somehow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM
How is weather in Fayetteville?  Methodist supposed to play Montclair State in the afternoon and then NCWC comes into town to play Montclair State at Methodist at 7 pm?  Really weird...After 4 days, still raining pretty steady in Norfolk...just wondering about Fayetteville.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2009, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM
How is weather in Fayetteville?
chilly and really, really wet...mostly drizzling now, but i can't imagine that the field conditions will be anything resembling good
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 17, 2009, 01:57:50 PM
A couple of NCWC players with good weeks-

Monday, March 16, 2009

Trio of Bishops garner USAC Player of the Week accolades

Fayetteville, NC - The North Carolina Wesleyan Department of Athletics is pleased to announce that a trio of Battling Bishops have earned USA South Athlete of the Week accolades in their respective sports. Senior Luke Williford was tabbed baseball's Player of the Week, while freshman teammate Ben Franceschi was named Rookie Pitcher of the Week. Like Franceschi, freshman Ashley Driver of softball also picked up Rookie Pitcher of Week honors. This is the first award of the season for each.

BASEBALL PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Williford, a senior outfielder from Edenton, NC, hit .550 (11-for-20) with eight runs scored, seven RBI, six stolen bases, two sacrifice hits, one double, one triple, one homerun and one sacrifice fly in a 5-0 week for the Bishops. In a doubleheader sweep of Piedmont, Williford went a combined 4-for-7 with three runs scored, three RBI, two sacrifice hits, one homerun and one stolen base. The homer, in fact, was a three-run blast that erased a one-run deficit in the seventh inning of game one and eventually sealed the baseball program's 1000th victory.

BASEBALL ROOKIE PITCHER OF THE WEEK
Franceschi, a native of Kitty Hawk, NC, went 7.2 innings in his first collegiate start to collect a win in the team's 7-3 victory over Stevenson on Wednesday. Franceschi allowed two runs, only one of which was earned, on four hits with four walks and three strikeouts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 17, 2009, 06:17:25 PM
Great job by Ben Francheschi on win vs Stevenson.  The freshman got a chance to start and did a great job.  As for Luke Williford it was just a matter of time.  He has been just such a consistent hitter over the years, I knew he was not going to keep that average at .105...I think he started hitting once they moved him from DH to CF.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2009, 09:22:04 PM
the monarchs win #7 in a row, 6-4 v. montclair - no details or box score yet, but that's a QUALITY win...tufts on wednesday, and montclair again on thursday...

mu/msu box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0317.htm) - the monarchs pounded out 16 hits (including a hr from inghram) - every monarch starter got a hit, and mu got 3 solid innings each out of jordan, fasano and mahaffey
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 17, 2009, 11:07:22 PM
NCWC wins 12-0 over montclair. #7 in a row
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 18, 2009, 09:26:18 AM
What a day of baseball yesterday in Fayetteville.  Three of the most storied programs on the East Coast playing on the same field for 2 games.  Poor Montclair had to run into perhaps the two hottest teams going right now. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
just saw the ncwc/msu box...knowles pitched a gem going 6 innings with 7 k's and just 2 hits allowed...he's off to a great start for the bishops

i'm hoping the monarchs can keep the win streak alive through the middle of the week - the tufts jumbos are 1-2 right now, with losses to lynchburg and g'boro and a win against au
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2009, 10:38:10 PM
8 straight for the monarchs as they beat tufts 10-2 and pounded out another 15 hits (box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0318.htm))...20 games into the season, the monarchs are hitting a robust .381 as a team- inghram was 4-4 with 4 rbi...not a bad day at the office - britt pitched REALLY well again, going 7 and giving up just 4 hits with 6 k's - his last 2 starts he's 2-0, 14 ip, 6 h, 2 er and 12 k's...he's got really good stuff and seems to be trusting it more - i expect bisp to get the nod on the bump on thursday against montclair...if mu can get a quality start from him, the staff will be set up well going into the weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 19, 2009, 03:08:11 PM
NCWC is up 6-1 on Tufts through 3 and a half.  Justin Diener is on the mound for the Bishops. Game 1 of 2 I believe.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 19, 2009, 04:37:44 PM
Make it 8 in a row for NCWC with a 9-1 win against Tufts in game 1 of DH. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on March 19, 2009, 07:33:00 PM
Salisbury wins its third game in a row down in florida. check out this phenomenal statistic...

Notre Dame transfer, Ryan Smith, hits two three-run homeruns in the first inning and totals nine RBIs in the first five innings of the game.

Talk about a MAN game.

http://www.suseagulls.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/news/recap_nichols
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 20, 2009, 08:22:35 AM
mu took their 9th straight overall and picked up their second win against montclair in what sounds like a wild game last night...the monarchs scored 12 runs on 4 hits in just 5 innings and the game didn't start until 10 pm...crazy

game story (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/3/20/BB_0320090132.aspx) and box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0319.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on March 20, 2009, 09:22:22 AM
montclair had just played a marathon game against averett earlier in the day.  The game went into extras and they did not leave danville until probably close to 7 oclock.  had to have been a long day for those guys
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fightingquaker1 on March 20, 2009, 09:24:37 AM
Well it looks like the Pride will finally get to play a conference series this weekend...should be interesting to see how they do. I saw where they have turned it around a little bit of late. They have been playing a lot of weak teams as well though. Any idea if they will make up the 2 conference series that were rained out? They probably don't want to play NCWC  ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 20, 2009, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: randomguy on March 20, 2009, 09:22:22 AM
montclair had just played a marathon game against averett earlier in the day.  The game went into extras and they did not leave danville until probably close to 7 oclock.  had to have been a long day for those guys
definitely a tough day for the msu guys, but the conditions weren't exactly conducive to playing baseball for anyone, from what i hear - i talked to a couple of folks who were at the game, and both said it probably should have been called after the first few innings...just sloppy nasty conditions
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 20, 2009, 03:11:53 PM
Big weekend for Shenandoah.

VA Wesleyan Today @ 3pm and CNU on Sat and Sun.

After 18 games (15-3), SU is hitting at a .384 clip.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 20, 2009, 09:54:11 PM
nice non-conference win for su over vwc today - 13-4 win for the hornets...bulman took the loss for vwc
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 20, 2009, 09:58:48 PM
NORFOLK, Va. - Shenandoah University continued its winning baseball ways Friday afternoon with a 13-4 non-league victory at Virginia Wesleyan.

Shenandoah (16-3) took the early lead with three runs in the second, added two more in the third and then clinched it with a seven-run ninth over the Marlins (11-5).

The Hornets had double-digit hits for the 12th time in 19 games this season - five different players had at least two hits in the contest.

Junior Scott Van Dusseldorp led this group with a 3 for 4, 2 RBI afternoon that also included a double.

Sophomore Kevin Brashears, senior Jasen Eberz and junior Jake Yocum matched Van Dusseldorp by driving in two runs each.

Sophomore Brian Goddard, who came on in relief of freshman Eric Rabung midway through the fifth, pitched the final 4.2 innings to earn his second victory of the spring.

Goddard allowed just one hit and struck out five in his first-ever relief victory.


http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/032009.htm (http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/032009.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 21, 2009, 04:55:32 PM
CNU gets by Shenandoah 4-3  in the bottom of the 11th inning on a single by freshman catcher Steven Lindemuth. Nice long starts by both Greg Van Sickler and Josh Brinkman.  It was 1-1 after 8 innings.

Great job in relief by Giarrizzi.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 21, 2009, 04:58:26 PM
NCWC beats Methodist at Methodist 5-4.  I wonder how many bunts were put down in that game. Some two out thunder in the 8th for Wesleyan.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 21, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
the ncwc/mu game today was a great one...both teams pitched it and hit it well...the monarchs had one bad defensive gaff in the 8th that allowed ncwc to score the winning runs...that was the difference between a couple of very good teams today...go get 'em tomorrow, boys!

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0321.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 22, 2009, 12:12:59 AM
The NCWC/Methodist game was personally one of the most entertaining games I have ever seen at any level...back and forth with both teams takin leads and the other team forcing the issue every inning.  We had a good croud on hand and the weather was reasonably good.  Fasano for Methodist pitched great and Lucas although he didn't have his best stuff battled all day.  Thumbs up for Ben Francheschi who came in on the seventh and bridge the gap to the closer.  All around it was real fun...two of the hottest teams in the South Region going at each other.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 22, 2009, 12:02:38 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 22, 2009, 12:12:59 AM
The NCWC/Methodist game was personally one of the most entertaining games I have ever seen at any level...back and forth with both teams takin leads and the other team forcing the issue every inning.  We had a good croud on hand and the weather was reasonably good.  Fasano for Methodist pitched great and Lucas although he didn't have his best stuff battled all day.  Thumbs up for Ben Francheschi who came in on the seventh and bridge the gap to the closer.  All around it was real fun...two of the hottest teams in the South Region going at each other.
i hope today's game is just as good, but with a different outcome :) - enjoy...one game/weekend is all the better 1/2, MBA work and kids will allow :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 22, 2009, 03:33:17 PM
SU gets a split with 8 to 4 win over CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 22, 2009, 03:46:33 PM
Ferrum gains splits with 7 to 2 win over Greensboro.

Updated USA-South conference games with today's results :


(2-2) 10-07 Ferrum
(1-1) 10-12 Greensboro
(3-3) 13-4-1 CNU
(2-2) 11-14-1 Averett
(1-3) 17-04 Shenandoah

Waiting on Result :
(2-1) 16-06 Methodist
(2-1) 13-11 NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 22, 2009, 05:19:47 PM
NCWC wins 5-2 over Methodist.  Moves to 3-1 in the conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 22, 2009, 06:40:43 PM
Kinda interesting that the CNU coach has zero on his roster from his old high school. Yet there are 3 from that school across the water at Va Wesleyan. Just read in today's paper that the same high school is ranked #8 in nation. Have a good rotation of 5 with 3 of them headed to D1 schools. Would be nice to tap into that pipeline a little.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 22, 2009, 07:37:35 PM
CNU has some pretty hardline minimum numbers for acceptance into the school. My son was accepted at VWC and at CNU.  I sweated alot more about whether he would get into CNU. I think that plays a part in where alot of baseball players end up in this region.

Anyway, disappointing game for the Captains.  Hornets scored all 8 of their runs in the first two innings.  Ian Lenda shut them down and finished the game out after coming in in the second.

What a beautiful day though!  Finally....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 22, 2009, 07:41:54 PM
Good day to be a Bishop.  NCWC sweeps Methodist and Coach Long gets his 300th career win. 
http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/2008-09/news/25mu.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on March 22, 2009, 08:24:49 PM
Woo Hoo Bishops!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 22, 2009, 11:46:41 PM
tough loss for the monarchs today, but, despite the sweep at the hands of the hated bishops, this was a good weekend for mu in my mind - going into the weekend i had some questions about this team, and they've all been answered

1 - are the monarchs really that good? (let's face it, the schedule hasn't been the most demanding, and they've missed out on 2 conference weekends)...the answer is yes, this is a legit team - if not for one bad play in the 8th inning on saturday, mu comes out of the weekend 1-1 against a ncwc team that i think is fully legit...and mu played the weekend series without 2 big time bats (proctor and davis)

2 - could the freshman arms perform in an important weekend series?  yup...they went 11.1 innings giving up 11 hits, 5 er and striking out 9 between them, and they kept the monarchs in both games...not bad for a couple of young pups

3 - is landon jordan healthy?...i'm not a doctor, but he looked really sharp in the three innings he pitched on saturday...the hit he gave up to williford was on an 0-2 count, and williford appeared to have been fooled badly...but the ball made it over the 2b's head

4 - can the bats stay hot?  things were bound to cool down, but the monarchs did manage 19 hits in 2 games against very good pitching...they didn't get enough timely hits, but i was pleased with their approach at the plate on saturday

i'm satisfied that this is a team that should be very competitive going forward, and could be very scary come tournament time (when it counts)

the schedule doesn't get easier this week...a trip to lc tuesday and then the quakers come into town on thursday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 23, 2009, 07:56:20 AM
USAS looks like a dogfight, pure and simple. Had NCWC lost game two yesterday, there would be a 6 way tie for first!   Everyone looks capable on any given day of beating anybody else, and there are lots of hot bats and hot arms across the board. Brinkman (CNU), Moore (NCWC), Hildreth (Averett) and Van Sickler (SU) have all impressed me a legit #1 pitchers, and we've yet to see Greensboro and Methodist, who both sound like they're carrying some quality arms as well.

Does anyone know if there is truly a rule that requires a team to have played 9 conference game to be regular season title eligible? I've heard that but can't vouch for accuracy.  Last year having the #1 seed didn't seem to give any advantage in the tournament schedule and the rumor mill (again) says that's been changed, but don't know how accurate that is either.   Looking for real knowledge.   ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 23, 2009, 10:14:03 AM
As I understand it, 10 conference games must be played to be eligible for Conference champ.  I believe the 10 games apply to the seeding as well.  If you do not get 10 games in, then your team will be seeded last.

When 18 conferences games were played, I believe the number was 15 games.

If this is wrong, someone can correct me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 23, 2009, 11:40:50 AM
3 - is landon jordan healthy?...i'm not a doctor, but he looked really sharp in the three innings he pitched on saturday...the hit he gave up to williford was on an 0-2 count, and williford appeared to have been fooled badly...but the ball made it over the 2b's head

Luke Williford was fooled on a pitch?  I will hear no such thing.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 23, 2009, 06:34:16 PM
Great win for NCWC over Methodist to make a sweep for the weekend in Fayetteville, NC.  Best game pitched of the year for Ben Moore...kid was a pleasure to watch.  Offense did just enough to get enough runs to win Sunday.  Was overall surprised how poorly MU played defensively.  They do have a young team that will be a force still in the South.   
I am not surprised anymore how Shenandoah is playing, I think they are for real.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 23, 2009, 08:49:54 PM
By the way:

Monday, March 23, 2009

Four Wesleyan athletes earn USA South weekly recognition

Fayetteville, NC - The North Carolina Wesleyan Department of Athletics is pleased to announce that four Battling Bishops have earned USA South Athlete of the Week accolades in their respective sports. Senior Luke Williford and freshman Ben Franceschi were named tabbed baseball's Player and Rookie Pitcher of the Week for the second week in a row, while senior teammate Ben Moore was tabbed Pitcher of the Week. In men's tennis, Antti Saari grabbed Player of the Week honors.

BASEBALL PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Williford, a senior outfielder from Edenton, NC, hit .526 (10-for-19) with eight RBI, five runs scored, six stolen bases, two doubles, two sacrifice files, one sacrifice hit, one triple and one walk in a 4-1 week for the Bishops. In a 12-0 win over Montclair State, Williford was 1-for-5 with two RBI, one run scored, one double and one sacrifice fly. In a doubleheader split with Tufts, Williford went a combined 3-for-5 with two runs scored, two RBI, two stolen bases, one double, one triple, one walk and one sacrifice hit. Finally, in a doubleheader sweep of USA South foe Methodist, Williford went a combined 6-for-9 with four RBI, two runs scored, four stolen bases and one sacrifice fly.

BASEBALL PITCHER OF THE WEEK
Moore, a native of Smithfield, NC, appeared in two games last week for the Bishops and posted a 1.80 earned run average. In his first appearance, Moore tossed one scoreless inning of relief in a 12-0 win over Montclair State. Later in the week, Moore pitched a complete game, earning a win in a 5-2 victory over USA South foe Methodist. Through the nine innings, Moore allowed two runs on six hits with one walk and five strikeouts.

BASEBALL ROOKIE PITCHER OF THE WEEK
Franceschi, a native of Kitty Hawk, NC, pitched two innings of relief and earned his first USA South win in the Bishops' 5-4 victory over USA South foe Methodist. Franceschi did not allow a run on two hits with two strikeouts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 24, 2009, 05:32:35 AM
CNU bounces back defeating cross-water rival Virginia Wesleyan, 5-3. Frosh Tyler McElhenny rebounds from a disappointing outing against VWC a few weeks ago to throw 6.1 strong innings and pick up his first collegiate win. DH Michael Romett continues his hot hitting with his 3rd home run of the season. The Captains are off  until a Saturday game against Mary Washington.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 24, 2009, 06:14:13 AM
That is a good win for CNU -- for some reason VWC often runs over CNU.

Anyway, nice outing for McElhenny.  I'm sure the Captains have been anxious for him to get in the groove.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 24, 2009, 08:56:40 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 24, 2009, 06:14:13 AM
That is a good win for CNU -- for some reason VWC often runs over CNU.

Anyway, nice outing for McElhenny.  I'm sure the Captains have been anxious for him to get in the groove.

I saw McElhenny throw earlier this year and thught he had some pretty good stuff, that would be a big lift for CNU if he can give them some valuable innings. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 24, 2009, 04:48:47 PM
Greensboro loses two to pretty decent Huntingdon team which hurt their chances to get back to .500  Biggest series this weekend has to be between Greensboro and Methodist...should be a good one.  Does anyone know when GC and NCWC conference series will be made up?

I have not seen Ferrum play yet but NCWC travels to Ferrum to play a team that looks like pitches well and plays good team defense.  Should be a tough one.  I am hoping for another pitching gem from Ben Moore this weekend and CF Luke Williford and LF Joel Creef's bat to remain hot.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 24, 2009, 04:51:05 PM
LTHSdad, G-boro vs. NCWC game is being played on April 8th. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 24, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
Great pitchers duel today at LC in game with Methodist.  Britt went 7 IP and Jordan earned the save in 2 innings of relief as MU defeated LC 2-1.  Breedlove went 8 1/3 for LC surrendering 4 hits and allowing 2 runs, one earned.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 24, 2009, 09:25:45 PM
tre britt has been really bringing it lately, and today was a great performance against a very good team...big time stuff from him...really nice rebound win for the monarchs

has anyone seen the weather for this weekend...they're calling for showers all weekend long right now :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 25, 2009, 09:05:39 AM
If we have another weekend of rain rain rain...the USAS may have ZERO teams that get the 9 (or 10) conference games in before the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 25, 2009, 05:05:07 PM
NCWC next two games are at Lynchburg, VA and Ferrum, VA.  Both sites are calling for rain Thursday, Friday and Saturday...may be another washed out series.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on March 25, 2009, 07:36:32 PM
We need domes....LOL :P
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 25, 2009, 09:08:19 PM
Shenandoah University (19-4) gets two more wins this week with 11-5 win over Messiah College on Tuesday in Grantham, PA and 32-11 win over Catholic University today in Winchester.


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RSSmith on March 25, 2009, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 25, 2009, 09:08:19 PM
Shenandoah University (19-4) gets two more wins this week with 11-5 win over Messiah College on Tuesday in Grantham, PA and 32-11 win over Catholic University today in Winchester.





Are these guys using the same scoring system as everybody else?  Rolling up 32 against F&M and Catholic (neither of whom are pushovers) is insane.  Today they ran through Catholic's 2, 3 and 4 starters like it was batting practice. We'll have to figure out what Gettysburg and CNU did to hold the Shenandoah offense down.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 25, 2009, 10:45:15 PM
coming soon to the usasac stadium near you...retractable roofs :) - the rain is starting to roll in as i type...hopefully it will subside before the weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on March 25, 2009, 10:49:59 PM
what would the conference do if noone made the minimum amount of games? how would seeding be decided?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 26, 2009, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 25, 2009, 05:05:07 PM
NCWC next two games are at Lynchburg, VA and Ferrum, VA.  Both sites are calling for rain Thursday, Friday and Saturday...may be another washed out series.
Only 20% chance of rain in Lynchburg on Friday...and Sunday is supposed to be sunny in Ferrum. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on March 26, 2009, 11:10:08 PM
double headers sunday?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 27, 2009, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: randomguy on March 25, 2009, 10:49:59 PM
what would the conference do if noone made the minimum amount of games? how would seeding be decided?

Maybe the usas could configure the tournament differently.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 27, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
NCWC goes into Lynchburg and steals one 7-4.  RHP J. Shearon gets win.  Batts is warming up with 3 more hits!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 27, 2009, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 27, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
NCWC goes into Lynchburg and steals one 7-4.  RHP J. Shearon gets win.  Batts is warming up with 3 more hits!!!
Their bats all seemed to just wake up with 2 outs and no one on in the 8th...when they tallied all the runs.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 27, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Shenandoah moves to (20-4) on the year with a 7 to 3 win over a very respectable Randolph Macon team.


300 000 000 ... 3  06  3 ... Randolph-Macon
000 003 310 ... 7  14  0 ... Shenandoah

E - DAVIS; WALTON; CARPER. DP - SU Hornets 1. LOB - RMC Jackets 5; SU Hornets 12. 2B - BECK; BRASHEARS(9); LAMBERT(6); NELSON(6); HOLCOMB(4). HR - VAN SICKLER(2). HBP - CONWAY; LAMBERT; VAN SICKLER. SH - EBERZ(3). SF - BRASHEARS(3); FERRY(1). SB - JORDAN; WALLACE; HENRY(7).


BoxScore ... http://su.edu/athletics/bb/current/032609.htm

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 27, 2009, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 27, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Shenandoah moves to (20-4) on the year with a 7 to 3 win over a very respectable Randolph Macon team.


300 000 000 ... 3  06  3 ... Randolph-Macon
000 003 310 ... 7  14  0 ... Shenandoah

E - DAVIS; WALTON; CARPER. DP - SU Hornets 1. LOB - RMC Jackets 5; SU Hornets 12. 2B - BECK; BRASHEARS(9); LAMBERT(6); NELSON(6); HOLCOMB(4). HR - VAN SICKLER(2). HBP - CONWAY; LAMBERT; VAN SICKLER. SH - EBERZ(3). SF - BRASHEARS(3); FERRY(1). SB - JORDAN; WALLACE; HENRY(7).


BoxScore ... http://su.edu/athletics/bb/current/032609.htm


coach do you think they have the pitching to compete in the conference tourney.  they seem to have the sticks.  But if they can compete this weekend against Averett I think I will become a believer. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RSSmith on March 27, 2009, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 27, 2009, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: coachmilburn on March 27, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Shenandoah moves to (20-4) on the year with a 7 to 3 win over a very respectable Randolph Macon team.


300 000 000 ... 3  06  3 ... Randolph-Macon
000 003 310 ... 7  14  0 ... Shenandoah

E - DAVIS; WALTON; CARPER. DP - SU Hornets 1. LOB - RMC Jackets 5; SU Hornets 12. 2B - BECK; BRASHEARS(9); LAMBERT(6); NELSON(6); HOLCOMB(4). HR - VAN SICKLER(2). HBP - CONWAY; LAMBERT; VAN SICKLER. SH - EBERZ(3). SF - BRASHEARS(3); FERRY(1). SB - JORDAN; WALLACE; HENRY(7).


BoxScore ... http://su.edu/athletics/bb/current/032609.htm


coach do you think they have the pitching to compete in the conference tourney.  they seem to have the sticks.  But if they can compete this weekend against Averett I think I will become a believer. 


With 6 pitchers having ERAs under 4.00, I'd say so.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 27, 2009, 10:20:52 PM
(USA South games only Sorted by Earned run avg)

Player      era     w-l     app-gs     cg     sho     sv     ip     h     r     er     bb     so     2b     3b     hr     ab     b/avg     wp     hbp     bk     sfa     sha
VAN SICKLER, Greg      4.15     0-1     2-2     0     0/0     0     8.2     12     10     4     2     7     2     0     0     36     .333     0     0     0     0     1
LEVAC, Gage      7.20     0-2     2-0     0     0/0     0     5.0     9     4     4     2     6     1     0     0     26     .346     0     0     1     0     0
DAVIS, Matthew      7.71     0-0     2-0     0     0/0     1     4.2     10     4     4     1     4     2     0     0     22     .455     0     0     0     0     0
SIMONS, Josh      9.00     1-0     2-2     0     0/0     0     9.0     16     12     9     1     11     4     0     1     43     .372     0     3     0     0     1
----------
MOORE, Patrick      0.00     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     0.1     0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0     1     .000     0     0     0     0     0
GREGG, Nicholas      6.75     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     1.1     3     1     1     0     1     1     0     0     7     .429     1     0     0     0     0
SCALLION, Kyle      13.50     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     1.1     2     2     2     2     0     0     0     0     6     .333     0     0     0     0     0
GODDARD, Brian      16.20     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     1.2     4     3     3     1     1     1     0     1     9     .444     1     0     0     0     0
STANEK, Jeff      18.00     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     1.0     2     2     2     0     2     1     0     1     5     .400     0     0     0     0     0
STEFANOWICZ, Bobby      27.00     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     1.2     4     5     5     1     1     2     0     1     9     .444     0     0     0     0     0
PENDERGRAFT, Jake      27.00     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     1.0     4     3     3     0     1     0     0     3     7     .571     0     0     0     0     0
FREAM, Brian      54.00     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     0.2     2     4     4     1     0     0     0     1     4     .500     0     1     0     0     0
GRIFFIN, Matt      99.00     0-0     1-0     0     0/0     0     0.0     2     3     2     0     0     1     0     1     3     .667     0     0     0     0     0
Totals      10.65     1-3     4-4     0     0/0     1     36.1     70     53     43     11     34     15     0     9     178     .393     2     4     1     0     2
Opponents      6.81     3-1     4-4     1     0/0     0     37.0     46     34     28     12     30     11     0     4     151     .305     6     3     5     1     3

PB - Team (2), LAMBERT 1, PLOUFFE 1. SBA/ATT - LEVAC (5-5), LAMBERT (5-5), SCALLION (1-1), PLOUFFE (1-1).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 27, 2009, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 27, 2009, 09:50:26 PM
coach do you think they have the pitching to compete in the conference tourney.  they seem to have the sticks.  But if they can compete this weekend against Averett I think I will become a believer. 

Yes. Shenandoah has 7 guys with 16-22IP and the one weekday guy has 33IP. I don't believe anyone will be overused before the conference tourney which starts in just 20 days.

Something needs to be done in getting the USA-South Tourney bumped back to the 3rd week of April vs. middle of the month.

I hear the issue is with Averett graduating a week or two earlier than anyone else.  Is this true?  How can one school dictate when the conference tourney will start?

ODAC tourney is the 23rd thru 26th.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 29, 2009, 09:56:13 AM
Shenandoah poured it on Averett yesterday 15-3 in 7 innings.  Averett comitted 8 errors and B. Hildreth did not make it past the third inning.  Shenandoah had 19 hits including home runs by Cory Nelson and Josh Simons and 5 doubles.  These guys seem for real and are just killing D3 pitching.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 29, 2009, 07:47:29 PM
Shenandoah (22-4) completes conference sweep of Averett with 4 to 3 win in 10 innings after two rain delays, putting and pulling the field tarp twice, 3x's would if you count pulling it earlier this morning and throw in nearly all four seasons of weather in a 4hr window (sun, rain, hail, cold, wind, rain and sun again).

Averett got a solid effort out of Chase Hall who went 7 and 2/3 innings (7 hits, 3runs, 3er, 3bb's and 7ko's). Not sure how many pitches he threw on the day while he endured the two rain delays.

The perception was that the umpire's strike zone was very inconsistent both ways today.  A lot of chirping from both sides. 

SU has gotten two back to back solid weekend efforts out of both VanSickler and Simons who went 4 1/3 innings today (7hits, 3runs, 0er, 3ko's and 1bb), 3 of those 7 hits were in the 1st inning.  Matt Davis came in relief for his 3rd rock solid consecutive outing of work with 5 innings (1hit, 4ko's and 3bb's).  Gage Lavec got the win in recording the final two out in the 10th with a KO and ground out.

Pitcher's ERA's are getting more respectable.

Team is hitting .382 after 26 games.

http://su.edu/athletics/bb/current/032909.htm


(just want to clarify, I am just a spectator, supporter of SU Baseball)

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2009, 07:55:40 PM
NCWC is up on Ferrum 16-6 right now in game 1.  5 home runs for the bishops, 1 for ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 29, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
NCWC,
I just saw the posting at D3 baseball scoreboard and it says 16-10, bottom 7th?  Who's pitching for Wesleyan?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2009, 09:00:27 PM
19-16 ncwc in top of 9. Go to ferrums site, go to the schedule, and go to the game scheduled for 530, click on details and there is an option for live stats.  John Lucas, Knowles, and Child have pitched so far.  5 errors for us so far.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on March 29, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
NCW gets by Ferrum 19 to 18, what a game that must of been!

R     H    E
19 - 20 - 5 ... NCW
18 - 22 - 2 ... Ferrum
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2009, 09:45:54 PM
the monarchs get a sweep of the pride today...jordan was huge in game one, going 5.1 hitless and striking out 7 in releif and mahaffey went 8 strong in game two - game 1 was 11-6, game 2 was 8-2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 29, 2009, 10:38:29 PM
Quote from: narch on March 29, 2009, 09:45:54 PM
the monarchs get a sweep of the pride today...jordan was huge in game one, going 5.1 hitless and striking out 7 in releif and mahaffey went 8 strong in game two - game 1 was 11-6, game 2 was 8-2

How did GC look? Do they have anybody that would cause problems for NCWC?  I haven't seen the guys play this year and the only thing I know about GC is that Manfro throws upper 80's.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2009, 10:48:04 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 29, 2009, 10:38:29 PM
How did GC look? Do they have anybody that would cause problems for NCWC?  I haven't seen the guys play this year and the only thing I know about GC is that Manfro throws upper 80's.
i didn't get a chance to make it to the games today, but gc always has talent...and don't forget, manfro has hit 90 :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 30, 2009, 06:46:43 AM
Quote from: narch on March 29, 2009, 10:48:04 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 29, 2009, 10:38:29 PM
How did GC look? Do they have anybody that would cause problems for NCWC?  I haven't seen the guys play this year and the only thing I know about GC is that Manfro throws upper 80's.
i didn't get a chance to make it to the games today, but gc always has talent...and don't forget, manfro has hit 90 :)

I like the harder throwers facing NCWC.  It evens out the upper cuts and the lunging.  If he has a hook like Moreland did, command wise, we might be in trouble.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2009, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 30, 2009, 06:46:43 AMI like the harder throwers facing NCWC.  It evens out the upper cuts and the lunging.  If he has a hook like Moreland did, command wise, we might be in trouble.
got a scouting report from a friend who was at the game...manfro throws hard (he doubted 90 yesterday, but said he clearly threw mid to upper 80's...probably 85-87 yesterday - he is a former college baseball player, so i trust his assesment) and has decent breaking stuff, but appeared to tire quickly...he gave up no hits and just one walk through 3 innings, but had a rough 4th, 5th and 6th - his final line was 9 hits, 3 walks and 2 k's in 5.1 ip, or more precisely 9 hits and 2 walks in the last 2.1 innings pitched

i think there is enough talent in this league that any team can beat any other at any time...i like the way mu is playing right now, but there is still a lot of baseball to be played - the ferrum games are being made up as a mid week dh (4/8) before the cnu weekend (after the su weekend for fc)...i doubt either team will throw their one & two, so we'll see who has a deeper staff...it will be up to guys like tre britt and elliott bisplinghoff to prove themselves on a "weekday weekend"

it will then be up to the young bucks to rise to the biggest obstacle yet @ cnu...they both pitched respectably vs. ncwc and while fasano struggled in game 1 yesterday, mahaffey pitched really well - they need to pitch like seasoned vets going forward

speaking of seasoned vets, jordan should be potw this week...he pitched 3 innings of shutout ball for the save vs. lynchburg last week and pitched 5.1 innings of hitless ball for the win yesterday...in all he pitched 8.1 shutout innings, gave up 2 hits and struck out 10 with a conference win and a big regional save...hard to beat those numbers!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 30, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
NCWC completes sweep of Ferrum with a 12-8 win today.  They are now 5-1 in the USA South to keep a hold of 1st place. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 30, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Although NCWC has won 13 of last 15 games, they face two extremely tough games Tuesday and Wednesday vs Division 2, Barton College (20-13) and Division 2 Mount Olive (20-16).  Should be a good test vs a higher division opponent.  I am expecting LHP J. Diener and LHP M. Knowles to throw those games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 30, 2009, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 30, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Although NCWC has won 13 of last 15 games, they face two extremely tough games Tuesday and Wednesday vs Division 2, Barton College (20-13) and Division 2 Mount Olive (20-16).  Should be a good test vs a higher division opponent.  I am expecting LHP J. Diener and LHP M. Knowles to throw those games.
They are playing Barton at Fleming Stadium,  I loved playing at that place.  I wish they still played the Conference tournament their.  Little fact about Fleming is that is the stadium in Bull Durham where Crash Davis made the Rain Delay. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 31, 2009, 01:18:30 AM
Quote from: catfishncwc on March 30, 2009, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 30, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Although NCWC has won 13 of last 15 games, they face two extremely tough games Tuesday and Wednesday vs Division 2, Barton College (20-13) and Division 2 Mount Olive (20-16).  Should be a good test vs a higher division opponent.  I am expecting LHP J. Diener and LHP M. Knowles to throw those games.
They are playing Barton at Fleming Stadium,  I loved playing at that place.  I wish they still played the Conference tournament their.  Little fact about Fleming is that is the stadium in Bull Durham where Crash Davis made the Rain Delay. 
The Bulls were there.  Now they're not.  Their bus left when it "rained".  Easy.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 06:10:38 AM
Wow CNU is ranked 18, SU 24, and Methodist is receiving votes.  Pretty good representation for the USAS. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 31, 2009, 07:54:55 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 06:10:38 AM
Wow CNU is ranked 18, SU 24, and Methodist is receiving votes.  Pretty good representation for the USAS. 
Yes, it is. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 31, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 06:10:38 AM
Wow CNU is ranked 18, SU 24, and Methodist is receiving votes.  Pretty good representation for the USAS. 
So looking at this SU is 1-3 against Elite teams and 22-1 against everyone else.  Not saying SU is not a good team but looking at that way they are not as good as they appear to be. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 31, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing SU up close and personal on Friday (weather permitting).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: A.G. on March 31, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing SU up close and personal on Friday (weather permitting).

Why?


All I'm saying is thank the ncaa we have a playoff system in college baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on March 31, 2009, 07:31:08 PM
I'm interested in seeing how legit they are.  Obviously they have some serious offense going for them and I want to see how they look in the big ballpark at LC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
I hope you guys destroy them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 01, 2009, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
I hope you guys destroy them.
that is pretty harsh, what did SU ever do to you.  I am actually rooting for them to have a good team but I am not a believer yet they have a legit team. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 01, 2009, 11:19:05 AM
USA South is a very tightly bunched pack this year, and while I hope  my Captains get 'er done, there is a group of  squads that could win the tournament, and Shenandoah is surely in  that group. As is true most years, the team that wins its first couple games and has the pitching to put quality arms out there in games 3,4, and 5 will have the upper hand.  It's hard to count anyone out at this point, except the scoreboard dudes that will need to be replacing light bulbs if the tournament starts having these 21-20, 20-19, games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 01, 2009, 10:35:31 PM
Shenandoah wins another close one, 5 to 4 over a very respectable Washington & Lee University squad in Lexington this afternoon.

The win moves SU to (23-4) on the year. 

http://www.su.edu/athletics/bb/current/040109.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 01, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
I hope you guys destroy them.
as a fan of a team which handed su half of their losses on the season, i'm hoping they win every game until the conference tournament :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 02, 2009, 06:12:31 AM
W&L outhit Shenandoah 12-8, issued fewer walks (2 vs. 4), etc.  Yet Shenandoah stringed together just enough hits in one late inning to get the runs they needed. Tenacious and lucky.  Good combination for success.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 02, 2009, 06:36:13 AM
I'm sure you would want them to win every game, because it would help out Methodist in their bid for an at-large.  I on the other do not appreciate the Virginia Tech like schedule SU plays. I never liked the drive all the way up to Winchester, or the 8 degree weather we were forced to play a double header in (snow storm).  Destroy isn't bad, that's what you say in little league.  You should hear my feelings on Methodist, CNU, and Ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 02, 2009, 07:21:37 AM
(1). Don't be slamming my Hokies ("Virginia Tech-like schedule")-with their baseball troubles in recent years, they SHOULD schedule nuns and priests, if only to get the hang of winning.
(2).  No sympathy for the drive to Winchester; my school of choice is CNU, we make it to almost every game, and 3 hour drives are the norm. We do enjoy the NCWC trip as we've befriended some of the NCWC parents, and the games are always fierce.
(3). Yes early season is cold up here.  But we have frozen at almost every conference site at some point or another...
(4).  I like Shenandoah, if only because they're 18 miles from my home, so once every two years, we get a sweet short trip, and it allows family and friends to see the Captains play, without the three hour drive. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 02, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
Boyds World's latest D3 Iterative Strength Ratings (ISR)


              D3       Overall
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team     

  1   133.5   21   3     24   5     4  Texas-Tyler
  2   131.6   19   3     27   3     8  Millsaps
  3   131.3    9   1     10   3    17  Marietta
  4   127.7   11   1     13   2    32  Southern Maine
  5   125.8   11   3     11   5    15  St. Olaf
  6   125.0   11   1     13   1    51  Eastern Connecticut State
  7   124.2    8   3     14   5    12  Illinois Wesleyan
  8   123.8   10   4     13   4    11  Heidelberg
  9   121.9   15   6     17   6    18  Chapman
10   121.6   20   2     20   2    90  Pomona-Pitzer
11   121.2   13   2     16   5    68  George Fox
12   120.9   16   6     18   6    22  Pacific Lutheran
13   120.9   10   3     15   3    29  Wooster
14   120.5   15   5     17   5    24  California Lutheran
15   120.1   10   3     10   3    33  Wisconsin-Stevens Point
16   119.5   11   6     16  12    13  Hardin-Simmons
17   119.3   13   1     13   2   131  Penn State-Erie
18   119.1   16   2     21   4   102  Salisbury
19   118.8   16   3     22   4    85  Shenandoah
20   118.7   10   2     10   2    79  Trinity, CT

For full list go to Boyd's World:

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

Boyd Nation is quoted as follows on the D3 rankings ...
Quote
The intent is to include everyone, but there are quite a few flaws in the
data on the NCAA web site.  If you look at the pages for Wheaton and
Scholastica, there are several games with no opponent listed.  St. Thomas
was a victim of an aliasing problem; I've fixed that.  Whitewater only
reported their tenth D3 game today, apparently, which is the threshold
for inclusion.

I'm still torn about publishing these due to the errors in the data, but
I'm hoping that they will get more accurate as the year goes on.



Quote from: RSSmith on April 02, 2009, 12:59:53 PM
QuoteWhat are the ISR's?

The ISR's are the results of an algorithm designed to measure the quality of a team's season to date by combining their winning percentage with the difficulty of their schedule. The algorithm computes all teams simultaneously and attempts to take advantage of inter-regional games more accurately than other rating systems.

How are the ISR's computed?

The basic idea is an iterative one. Begin with all teams set to an even rating -- 100 in this case. Then, for each game played, give each team the value of their opponent's rating plus or minus a factor for winning or losing the game -- 25 in this case. Total all of a team's results, divide by the number of games played, and that's the end of a cycle. Then use those numbers as the start of the next cycle until you get the same results for each team for two consecutive cycles.

Why are the ISR's needed?

While it's still a great game, college baseball suffers from the lack of an accurate rating system for measuring team quality. The traditional polls suffer from voters running on auto-pilot, and the RPI's used by the selection committee have some serious problems with the method used to determine strength of schedule. Because of the small amount of inter-regional play in the sport, some regions tend to be under-represented in the NCAA tournament, and mid-rank large conference teams tend to be unfairly excluded. Although trying to get the selection committee to acknowledge this may be a hopeless case, the ISR's are an attempt to find a better rating system.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 02, 2009, 11:12:10 PM
not sure about where mu stands in the ISR, given their 2-0 record vs. su :), but they got win number 21 today over guilford, 11-10 - the monarchs pounded out 19 hits, and got hr's from lovette and davis (in his first game back...good to see the 9 game layoff hasn't slowed his bat down) - box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0402.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 02, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team

19   118.8   16   3     22   4    85  Shenandoah

25   117.4   12   4     14   4    46  Christopher Newport

36   114.2   19   7     19   7    72  Methodist

55   110.0   16   9     16  11    66  North Carolina Wesleyan

111    99.1    9   7     10   8   148  Ferrum

149    91.1    6  13     10  15    96  Greensboro

150    90.6    9  18     11  19   111  Averett


For the list, visit :
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 03, 2009, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: NCWC on March 31, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
I hope you guys destroy them.
Sorry to disappoint...but the rain got us, again.  No game for LC and SU today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 04, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
Quote from: coachmilburn on April 02, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team

19   118.8   16   3     22   4    85  Shenandoah

25   117.4   12   4     14   4    46  Christopher Newport

36   114.2   19   7     19   7    72  Methodist

55   110.0   16   9     16  11    66  North Carolina Wesleyan

111    99.1    9   7     10   8   148  Ferrum

149    91.1    6  13     10  15    96  Greensboro

150    90.6    9  18     11  19   111  Averett


For the list, visit :
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html




Do you know if the SOS is throughout the entire season, or if that has been there SOS up until now.

How the hell do they even rank SOS?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 04, 2009, 10:52:23 AM
Quote from: NCWC on April 04, 2009, 08:51:37 AM
Quote from: coachmilburn on April 02, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
Rank Rating   W   L      W   L    SoS  Team

19   118.8   16   3     22   4    85  Shenandoah

25   117.4   12   4     14   4    46  Christopher Newport

36   114.2   19   7     19   7    72  Methodist

55   110.0   16   9     16  11    66  North Carolina Wesleyan

111    99.1    9   7     10   8   148  Ferrum

149    91.1    6  13     10  15    96  Greensboro

150    90.6    9  18     11  19   111  Averett


For the list, visit :
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html




Do you know if the SOS is throughout the entire season, or if that has been there SOS up until now.

How the hell do they even rank SOS?


Once anyone click's on Boyds link, the following note is displayed:

Note: Strength of schedule rank is for games to date. Only teams who have played at least ten NCAA Division III games are listed. Score data is taken from the official NCAA site, which means that there are quite a few errors in here; corrections are welcomed, although the quickest path is to get the SID to correct the official data. Ratings are updated daily around 8:30 Central Time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 04, 2009, 05:27:12 PM
Averett beats NCWC 8-2 in Rocky Mount, NC.  Ben Hildreth threw a beauty.  5 Innings and was barely touched.  Freshman 1B James Carter went 4-4 with 2 RBI's, Junior SS Jake Loye goes 2-4 with 4 RBI.  After playing great the last 3 weeks, NCWC looked pretty flat today against a 11-18 Averett team that came ready to play.  Highlights for the Bishops were solid pitching by junior John Child again and LF Joel Creef and C Justin Batts at the plate.  I think RHP Johnathan Lucas will throw tomorrow, so I am hoping for a split.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 04, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
I believe there's a lot of parity within the USA-South.  Majority of the games have been close.  Several 1-run games.

SU is leading Ferrum 13 to 3 going into bottom of 7.  SU has banged out 16 hits with 3 HR's from Henry, Van Sickler and VanDusseldorp.  Every starter has a hit in the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 04, 2009, 06:52:03 PM
SU moves to (24-4) with win over Ferrum this evening.

R    H   E
14  20   1 ... Shenandoah
04  09   2 ... Ferrum



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 04, 2009, 10:18:29 PM
the monarchs get win #22 in dominant fashion, winning 21-3 over lagrange, while pounding out 20 hits...box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0404.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 05, 2009, 04:31:50 PM
A scrappy Ferrum squad gets by Shenandoah today.  Ferrum has lost three 1-run games in USA-S to Averett, Greensboro and NCW.  Again, the perception is that there is a lot of parity in the USA-South.  If you don't bring your "A" game, then you'll get clipped.

Ferrum gets 3 runs in the 1st with solo-HR by Crump and 2-run dinger by Fuller.  Henry had 2 hits with a HR and 2 RBI's for SU and VanDusseldorp had 2 hits as well.

Ferrum's Jon Wilson goes 8 innings and limits SU to 8 hits, 4 runs with 1ER and 8 KO's.  Cauley retired the side in the 9th.

The USA-South Tourney will be an exciting atmosphere.

R    H    E
4    8    2 ... SU
6   11   1 ... Ferrum


Talking about parity earlier in the day ...

Averett complete sweep of NCW with 5 to 3 win.   Greensboro gets a split with 15 to 9 win over CNU.    Also an "in-region" game, LaGrange 15 to 8 over Methodist.  All the top teams with over .500 winning % overall, went down in defeat today in the USA-South.


                       
4-2       22-8      Methoidst
5-3      17-14     NCW
4-4       24-5      Shenandoah
4-4      16-6-1    CNU
4-4      13-18-1  Averett
3-5      11-11     Ferrum
2-4      12-17     Greensboro
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 07, 2009, 10:07:25 PM
NCWC - GC DH series tomorrow in Rocky Mount, NC.  Greensboro used M. Manfro and R. Allred vs CNU this past weekend, so I assuming they will throw senior RHP Gregory Allen and sophmore RHP Alex Phetteplace.  As for NCWC, I am expecting to see sophmore LHP Max Knowles and senior RHP Jonathan Shearon...should be a good one.  I hate to miss it, but will follow on the internet and hopr for a Bishop sweep and also hopefully Ferrum can at least split with Methodist at Ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 08, 2009, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 14, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Thanks for posting the link re: Maine Presque Isle, Coach.  Did you mean to say that Franklin and Marshall will have a 20 win season and a couple guys drafted?  Or was that really SU you were referring to?  If it's F&M I am wondering who they are going to have the 20 wins against.

Franklin and Marshall is currently on top of CC with 7-2 record and is 14-9-1 overall with 14 games left.  They have a shot at another 20 win season.

http://www.centennial.org/baseball/index.html
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2009, 03:15:09 PM
Bishops get a Win over greensboro in the 1st game of DH 5-3. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 08, 2009, 06:06:12 PM
Soph LHP Max Knowles goes 5-1 in the year with win over Greensboro.  He also had 11 K's for a top notch performance.  This kid needs to be in the weekend rotation!  Bishops holding off Greensboro 6-4 on top 9 so far.  Senior 3B Woodlief hits a grand slam to give Bishops lead.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
NCWC completes the sweep of greensboro with a 6-4 win in the second game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 08, 2009, 06:58:17 PM
SU (26-5) gets DH sweep of St. Joseph's, NY 15-3 and 12-3 in Winchester.

It was SU's 18th straight in non-conference victories.



Game 2 ... Ferrum is up 7 to 4 over Methodist going into bottom of the 4th.   Anyone know the result of Game 1 today in Ferrum ?

Link to LIVE stats ... http://www.sidearmstats.com/ferrum/baseball/
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 08, 2009, 08:51:27 PM
12-11 Ferrum going into the 9th.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 08, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Ferrum (12-12) gets a split with 12 to 11 win over Methodist (23-9).

R     H    E
11 - 16 - 0 ... Methodist
12 - 17 - 3 ... Ferrum



Updated USA-South Standings :

7-3 NCW
5-3 Methodist
4-4 SU
4-4 CNU
4-4 Averett
4-6 Ferrum
2-6 Greensboro
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 08, 2009, 10:03:28 PM
the monarchs win game 1, 6-1 behind a nice game from bisplinghoff...8 ip, 3 h, 1 er (he did allow 7 walks)
box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0408a.htm)

the panthers got out of the gates early scoring as tre britt didn't get an out and left the game after giving up 3 er...nobody else fared much better, but the mu bats almost won it for the monarchs...they led 11-10 after 7.5 innings, but gave up 2 runs in the bottom of the 8th to lose the game...that's a big loss as it means the monarchs no longer control their destiny
box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2009/mub0408b.htm)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 09, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
At the risk of raising a dreaded subject, does anyone remember how the multiple team tie-breakers work?  A couple years ago, we had a similar mess heading into the last days...

USAS didn't change the tournament format so  being #1seed doesn't help a great deal, other than facing a team that has already played a game for their opener, but off-setting that a little is playing late night game after everyone else plays all day.   This one will be a shootout, however folks are seeded!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 09, 2009, 01:39:40 PM
SU and NCW will be playing a DH on Friday starting at 4pm with hopes to get both games in before the rains come.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 09, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 09, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
At the risk of raising a dreaded subject, does anyone remember how the multiple team tie-breakers work?  A couple years ago, we had a similar mess heading into the last days...
winning %
head-to-head
results vs. teams from top

ie:  if 3 teams have the same winning %, you would look at the h2h between the three...if all three had 2-2 records vs. each other, then you compare each of the three against each team from the top of the standings...

it will be difficult to have a 3 way tie this year as ncwc will most likely get their full 12 games in...

however, if cnu, su and averett were to sweep this weekend, they would be in a 3 way tie for first - in that case you would look at their records vs. each other - au would be 1-3, su would be 3-1 and cnu would be 2-2...so su would be the #1 seed, cnu the #2 seed, au the #3 seed, ncwc the #4 seed and mu the #5 seed, fc the #6 seed and gc the #7 seed

i don't think that cnu can get the #1 seed...if they sweep mu, they need su to sweep ncwc to force a tie break...that would make ncwc the #3 seed, and su would get the #1 seed by virtue of the su sweep of ncwc - the very series which would force a tie, would also break the tie

going into the weekend i think only ncwc, mu and su have a shot at the #1 seed, although i'm not totally sure what would happen if su, mu and au were to all finish 6-4 (which would make ncwc 7-5 and cnu 5-5) since mu and au didn't play...my guess is that mu would get the #1 seed as they would be 2-0 vs. su/au while su would be 2-2 vs mu/au and au would be 0-2 vs. mu/su...who knows

i hope the monarchs get a sweep and the bishops lose one...leaving my monarchs the #1 seed :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 09, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
Thru 2/3 of the season gone, here is my favorites for First Team All Conference

1B - Greg Van Sickler (Shenandoah) -     .402, 5 HR, 47 RBI, 13 doubles, 4 triples
2B - Paul Jaglowski (Ferrum) -                 .415, 1 HR, 23 RBI, 21 R, 11 SB
SS - Brian Inghram (Methodist) -             .377, 7 HR, 46 RBI, 39 R, 23 BB, 13 SB
3B - Shawn Lovette (Methodist) -           .414, 4 HR, 28 RBI, 41 R, 12 doubles, 18 BB, 12 SB
C - Dustin Proctor (Methodist) -              .389, 10 HR, 37 RBI, 44 R, 11 doubles, 12 SB
OF - Kevin Brashers (Shenandoah) -      .378, 4 HR, 30 RBI, 51 R, 10 doubles, 10 SB
OF - Scott Lambert (Shenandoah) -       .429, 1 HR, 39 RBI, 41 R, 20 BB, 11 SB
OF - Luke Williford (NC Wesleyan) -       .373, 3 HR, 29 RBI, 31 R, 9 doubles, 23 SB
UTIL - Scott Van Dussel (Shenandoah)- .387, 8 HR, 36 RBI, 34 R, 9 doubles

SP - Max Knowles (NC Wesleyan) 5-1, 3.99 ERA, 47.1 INN, 44 HITS, 49 K's, OPP BA .243
SP - Josh Brinkman (CNU) 4-0, 3.10 ERA, 40.2 INN, 36 HITS, 33 K's, OPP BA .245
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 09, 2009, 09:29:36 PM
SU moves to (27-5) with 12 to 2 win over EMU in Winchester this evening.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 10, 2009, 06:18:32 AM
Shenandoah has a rock solid team this year but I still feel some of their stats are really skewed by some crazy lopsided games (Maine Presque Isle for one) -- especially those RBIs.  But Van Sickler had 6 rbis against Catholic and that's impressive. He also made a tremendous play at first in a game against CNU.

Anyway, Giarrizzi has been solid for CNU and comes out of centerfield to pitch in close games -- he's been dominating in that role.  Parker Neal is having a great year at 3rd. I would certainly give them first team consideration also.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 10, 2009, 07:38:37 AM
  Being a CNU fan, I'm biased but Giarizzi's numbers on the mound are nothing short of incredible, especially in a Conference  hitting like the USAS is this year:

14.2 innings
  4 hits
0.00 ERA
  27 K's
.085 OBA

  Not bad for a guy also hitting .375, with 30 runs scored. It's hard to argue defense as we all know stats can be misleading, but to the eyeball, I've not seen an outfielder that covers as much ground or that gets as good a jump on the ball as Giarizzi. 

  While I agree some of Shenandoah's numbers are skewed due to a healthy number of games against weak opponents, as a team they have been the surprise of the conference, they've played well, they've got solid talent, and I couldn't put up their numbers in Play Station.

   The USAS Tournament should be a sight to see. Literally any team could win it, as all year long it's been clear that if a team doesn't bring their A game against a conference opponent, trouble lurks.    Let's hope the weather, for once, cooperates.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 10, 2009, 10:59:57 AM
Yep, any of the teams could win the USA South this year.  It's crazy....

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 10, 2009, 11:08:20 AM
I do think Shenandoah has alot of talent on the team.  But I am bothered by the roster size (50+ sometimes) and how much talent languishes on the bench.  I guess I should say "surprised" rather than "bothered."  I guess the players go to Shenandoah knowing the chances are slim they will ever see playing time.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 10, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 10, 2009, 11:08:20 AM
I do think Shenandoah has alot of talent on the team.  But I am bothered by the roster size (50+ sometimes) and how much talent languishes on the bench.  I guess I should say "surprised" rather than "bothered."  I guess the players go to Shenandoah knowing the chances are slim they will ever see playing time.


SU has a full-fledged JV program with a head coach for the JV team.  The have around 20 game schedule, so players are getting many opportunities to play baseball.  Splitting up the two programs this year is paying off with its dividends.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2009, 02:16:05 PM
here is my crack at an all-conference team, with full disclaimer that this weekend could change things - i looked at conference only stats first, and used overall numbers only in the case that i felt the conference numbers didn't produce a clear winner

c - proctor - mu...the sb's and overall power numbers lifted him over batts - there conference only stats are similar, but proctor has played 4 fewer conference games - both are solid defensive backstops, although batts probably gets a slight nod there
1b - Van Sickler - su...trey such for mu actually has slightly better conference only numbers, but van sickler's overall numbers are too much to ignore
2b - jaglowski - fc...over halpin (mu)...higher fld%, more rbi's and sb's in fewer games
3b - woodlief - ncwc...one of my toughest decisions - vanduseldorp (su) fell off significantly in conference games, so i eliminated him and it was between woodlief and lovette...their games are so different with lovette being a top-of-the-order guy and woodlief being a guy who drives in runs...i couldn't decide based on offensive numbers, so i looked at fld%, and woodlief's .917 fld% vs. lovette's .868 made the decision
ss - inghram - mu...leads all players in conference only rbi's, is second in conference only hr's and has more sb's than any other top infielder in conference games - loye, henry and bailey were all strong candidates
of - williford - ncwc...the only one i'm completely settled on...might be the best clutch player in the conference
of - lancaster - mu...leads giarrizzi in almost every statistical category in both conference and overall numbers
of - davis - mu...the last spot came down to davis and brashears, for me, and davis' overall numbers are better and he has more hr's (3) and rbi's (10) in 4 conference games than brashears has in 8 conference games

i'm waiting on my pitcher evaluation...i simply don't think a guy who doesn't start on the weekends can be a first-teamer...right now no regular weekend starter has a sub 4 era in conference only games - jordan and giarrizi have the most impressive conference numbers...jordan will get a chance to go against cnu this weekend...if he is impressive, i could give him a nod - hildreth is 3-1 in conference, van sickler is 2-1 and wilson (fc) is 3-1, but all have era's in the 4.03 - 4.50 range in conference games...not exactly overpowering numbers

i think child from ncwc deserves a spot here, though...he has appeared in 7 of ncwc's conference games with a 2.19 era and 3 saves
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2009, 04:18:43 PM
inghram hits a grand slam to top off a 5 run 4th for the monarchs, who lead 7-2

through 5 1/2, the monarchs are leading 10-3...jordan hasn't been great, giving up 6 hits (3 hr's) and 4 walks, but he's been effective enough
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 10, 2009, 05:13:11 PM
Yep, that's about the size of it.... Grand slam was really a bummer.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 10, 2009, 07:11:32 PM
With MU beating CNU 10-6, and NC Wesleyan beating Shenandoah 16-3, it comes down to Methodist and NCWC tomorrow. Methodist needs to sweep CNU and hope for a Bishops lost.  Should be interesting...that's why they play the games! ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 10, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 09, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
Thru 2/3 of the season gone, here is my favorites for First Team All Conference

1B - Greg Van Sickler (Shenandoah) -     .402, 5 HR, 47 RBI, 13 doubles, 4 triples
2B - Paul Jaglowski (Ferrum) -                 .415, 1 HR, 23 RBI, 21 R, 11 SB
SS - Brian Inghram (Methodist) -             .377, 7 HR, 46 RBI, 39 R, 23 BB, 13 SB
3B - Shawn Lovette (Methodist) -           .414, 4 HR, 28 RBI, 41 R, 12 doubles, 18 BB, 12 SB
C - Dustin Proctor (Methodist) -              .389, 10 HR, 37 RBI, 44 R, 11 doubles, 12 SB
OF - Kevin Brashers (Shenandoah) -      .378, 4 HR, 30 RBI, 51 R, 10 doubles, 10 SB
OF - Scott Lambert (Shenandoah) -       .429, 1 HR, 39 RBI, 41 R, 20 BB, 11 SB
OF - Luke Williford (NC Wesleyan) -       .373, 3 HR, 29 RBI, 31 R, 9 doubles, 23 SB
UTIL - Scott Van Dussel (Shenandoah)- .387, 8 HR, 36 RBI, 34 R, 9 doubles

SP - Max Knowles (NC Wesleyan) 5-1, 3.99 ERA, 47.1 INN, 44 HITS, 49 K's, OPP BA .243
SP - Josh Brinkman (CNU) 4-0, 3.10 ERA, 40.2 INN, 36 HITS, 33 K's, OPP BA .245



I would like to see Max up there as well but alot of his solid stats are non conference.  If they keep going he could possibly make an all tournament team or south region.  IF THEY KEEP IT UP.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 10, 2009, 08:10:39 PM
Bishops win today over SU 16-3.  SU is now 1-4 against the top three teams in the USA SOUTH. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2009, 09:17:20 PM
we've discussed all-conference possibilities...what about poty?

i think there are really 3 candidates...inghram, van sickler and williford

perhaps someone can step up on saturday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 10, 2009, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: narch on April 10, 2009, 09:17:20 PM
we've discussed all-conference possibilities...what about poty?

i think there are really 3 candidates...inghram, van sickler and williford

perhaps someone can step up on saturday
I say no to Van Sickler, conference numbers are weak compared to the bloated numbers he got versus the Little Sisters of the Poor non conference schedule.  And like the SU being 1-4 against the top 3 teams he is 5 for 21 against those same teams.  If you are a POTY candidate you should put up good numbers against the good teams.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 10, 2009, 10:20:14 PMI say no to Van Sickler, conference numbers are weak compared to the bloated numbers he got versus the Little Sisters of the Poor non conference schedule.  And like the SU being 1-4 against the top 3 teams he is 5 for 21 against those same teams.  If you are a POTY candidate you should put up good numbers against the good teams.   
i like that method to evaluate a poty candidate

in 5 games vs. ncwc/su/cnu here are inghram's numbers
13-25 (.520), 9 runs, 4 hr, 16 rbi, 3 sb

here are williford's numbers through 5 games vs. su/mu/cnu
12-23 (.522), 5 runs, 0 hr, 10 rbi, 6 sb

saturday could well determine the poty
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 10, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: narch on April 10, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 10, 2009, 10:20:14 PMI say no to Van Sickler, conference numbers are weak compared to the bloated numbers he got versus the Little Sisters of the Poor non conference schedule.  And like the SU being 1-4 against the top 3 teams he is 5 for 21 against those same teams.  If you are a POTY candidate you should put up good numbers against the good teams.   
i like that method to evaluate a poty candidate

in 5 games vs. ncwc/su/cnu here are inghram's numbers
13-25 (.520), 9 runs, 4 hr, 16 rbi, 3 sb

here are williford's numbers through 5 games vs. su/mu/cnu
12-23 (.522), 5 runs, 0 hr, 10 rbi, 6 sb

saturday could well determine the poty

Looking at those numbers I would give the edge to Inghram
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 11, 2009, 04:09:19 PM
NCWC gains the #1 seed, Methodist the #2 after dropping a 12-2 decision to CNU.  Anyone's guess how the rest will shake out.  Games in play should make things a little more clear.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 11, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
Okay tie-breaker gurus, answer this one:

1. NCWC
2. Methodist
3. CNU (by tie-breaker)
4. Shenandoah (tied with CNU goes to #4 on tiebreaker)
5. Greensboro (by tie-breaker) (tied Averett and Ferrum, goes to 5 via tiebreaker according to SU's web    site.)
6 and 7 Averett and Ferrum.

Averett and Ferrum split their series and  both went 3-5 against the teams above  them.

  What determines who is 6 and who is 7?




P.S.  Never mind-CNU web site says CNU plays Ferrum
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 11, 2009, 08:43:01 PM
Anyone team can get hot in the upcoming USA SOUTH tournament and win it, but I like to think NCWC, Methodist and CNU are favorites to win it.

Averett - Not enough offense
Greensboro - Not enough pitching
Shenandoah - Too inconsistent in conference play
Ferrum - Erratic pitching

As for NCWC (faults have been an incosistent team all year, that gets hot and cold), Methodist (has some great bats but defense is suspect), and CNU (powerful consistent lineup with erratic pitching)

Let's see come Thursday.  Looks like it may be Shenandoah vs Greensboro to kick things off Thursday 9:30 AM.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 11, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
I would have thought Averett would be the #6 seed since they swept the #1 seed and split with Ferrum. 

Yesterday I was leaning toward NCWC and Methodist being in the tournament championship game.  Today not so sure.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 12, 2009, 01:05:32 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 11, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
I would have thought Averett would be the #6 seed since they swept the #1 seed and split with Ferrum. 

Yesterday I was leaning toward NCWC and Methodist being in the tournament championship game.  Today not so sure.


I'm going to say NCWC and Methodist just because they strung a bunch of wins together this season in tournament simulated weekends.

Oh and Narch, I changed a number on the bottom line. Guess which one it is.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 12, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
Funny how the 1st three games of the tournament are match-ups of teams that did not play each other during the regular season because of the rain.

SU vs. GC, CNU vs. FC, and MU vs. AU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 12, 2009, 03:37:28 PM
That is both funny and kind of fitting since NCWC was the only team to face everybody.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 12, 2009, 08:08:31 PM
USA-South tourney is ripe for the taking for whomever gets HOT this weekend.

I'm pulling for Shenandoah University. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on April 13, 2009, 01:18:03 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 11, 2009, 08:43:01 PM
Anyone team can get hot in the upcoming USA SOUTH tournament and win it, but I like to think NCWC, Methodist and CNU are favorites to win it.

Averett - Not enough offense
Greensboro - Not enough pitching
Shenandoah - Too inconsistent in conference play
Ferrum - Erratic pitching

As for NCWC (faults have been an incosistent team all year, that gets hot and cold), Methodist (has some great bats but defense is suspect), and CNU (powerful consistent lineup with erratic pitching)

Let's see come Thursday.  Looks like it may be Shenandoah vs Greensboro to kick things off Thursday 9:30 AM.


Greensboro Leads the conference with the lowest ERA
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 13, 2009, 12:06:30 PM
Quote from: TheRightHander on April 13, 2009, 01:18:03 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 11, 2009, 08:43:01 PM
Anyone team can get hot in the upcoming USA SOUTH tournament and win it, but I like to think NCWC, Methodist and CNU are favorites to win it.

Averett - Not enough offense
Greensboro - Not enough pitching
Shenandoah - Too inconsistent in conference play
Ferrum - Erratic pitching

As for NCWC (faults have been an incosistent team all year, that gets hot and cold), Methodist (has some great bats but defense is suspect), and CNU (powerful consistent lineup with erratic pitching)

Let's see come Thursday.  Looks like it may be Shenandoah vs Greensboro to kick things off Thursday 9:30 AM.


Greensboro Leads the conference with the lowest ERA

Yeah but they are also 4-6 in conference and didn't play SU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 13, 2009, 05:03:36 PM
Greensboro does have a 4.40 ERA in conference so I'll give you that, just not convinced that starting pitching is going to hold up, but like I said that's why we play the games.  Good luck to all teams!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2009, 09:39:36 PM
Quote from: narch on April 10, 2009, 02:16:05 PM
here is my crack at an all-conference team, with full disclaimer that this weekend could change things - i looked at conference only stats first, and used overall numbers only in the case that i felt the conference numbers didn't produce a clear winner

c - proctor - mu...the sb's and overall power numbers lifted him over batts - there conference only stats are similar, but proctor has played 4 fewer conference games - both are solid defensive backstops, although batts probably gets a slight nod there
1b - Van Sickler - su...trey such for mu actually has slightly better conference only numbers, but van sickler's overall numbers are too much to ignore
2b - jaglowski - fc...over halpin (mu)...higher fld%, more rbi's and sb's in fewer games
3b - woodlief - ncwc...one of my toughest decisions - vanduseldorp (su) fell off significantly in conference games, so i eliminated him and it was between woodlief and lovette...their games are so different with lovette being a top-of-the-order guy and woodlief being a guy who drives in runs...i couldn't decide based on offensive numbers, so i looked at fld%, and woodlief's .917 fld% vs. lovette's .868 made the decision
ss - inghram - mu...leads all players in conference only rbi's, is second in conference only hr's and has more sb's than any other top infielder in conference games - loye, henry and bailey were all strong candidates
of - williford - ncwc...the only one i'm completely settled on...might be the best clutch player in the conference
of - lancaster - mu...leads giarrizzi in almost every statistical category in both conference and overall numbers
of - davis - mu...the last spot came down to davis and brashears, for me, and davis' overall numbers are better and he has more hr's (3) and rbi's (10) in 4 conference games than brashears has in 8 conference games
i'm adding moore and child as all-conference pitchers - moore was 4-0 in 4 conference starts with an era of 4.35, and 5-1 overall, good for second among usasac pitchers in wins (rabung from su has 7, but zero weekend starts) and child was the best reliever in the conference this year

i'm naming inghram my poty, with williford a close second
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 13, 2009, 10:42:20 PM
I think Giarrizzi or Sholar from Methodist should get relief pitcher of the year.  They both have great ERA's and a ton of strikeouts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 14, 2009, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2009, 09:39:36 PM
Quote from: narch on April 10, 2009, 02:16:05 PM
here is my crack at an all-conference team, with full disclaimer that this weekend could change things - i looked at conference only stats first, and used overall numbers only in the case that i felt the conference numbers didn't produce a clear winner

c - proctor - mu...the sb's and overall power numbers lifted him over batts - there conference only stats are similar, but proctor has played 4 fewer conference games - both are solid defensive backstops, although batts probably gets a slight nod there
1b - Van Sickler - su...trey such for mu actually has slightly better conference only numbers, but van sickler's overall numbers are too much to ignore
2b - jaglowski - fc...over halpin (mu)...higher fld%, more rbi's and sb's in fewer games
3b - woodlief - ncwc...one of my toughest decisions - vanduseldorp (su) fell off significantly in conference games, so i eliminated him and it was between woodlief and lovette...their games are so different with lovette being a top-of-the-order guy and woodlief being a guy who drives in runs...i couldn't decide based on offensive numbers, so i looked at fld%, and woodlief's .917 fld% vs. lovette's .868 made the decision
ss - inghram - mu...leads all players in conference only rbi's, is second in conference only hr's and has more sb's than any other top infielder in conference games - loye, henry and bailey were all strong candidates
of - williford - ncwc...the only one i'm completely settled on...might be the best clutch player in the conference
of - lancaster - mu...leads giarrizzi in almost every statistical category in both conference and overall numbers
of - davis - mu...the last spot came down to davis and brashears, for me, and davis' overall numbers are better and he has more hr's (3) and rbi's (10) in 4 conference games than brashears has in 8 conference games
i'm adding moore and child as all-conference pitchers - moore was 4-0 in 4 conference starts with an era of 4.35, and 5-1 overall, good for second among usasac pitchers in wins (rabung from su has 7, but zero weekend starts) and child was the best reliever in the conference this year

i'm naming inghram my poty, with williford a close second


I think Utility player is also a category available for all conference
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 14, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
How about GIARRIZZI, the CNU CF/P as utility.  Isn't that what the position is traditionally used for?  He's been used quite effectively as a bridge to Moreland.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 14, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
No argument from me on Giarrizzi.  That guy comes straight out of centerfield in the late innings of close games.  No proper warmup, yet he has given up 0 earned runs in 16 innings and only 4 hits with 30 Ks.  He is 2-0 on the mound.  He did have one pitching start during the season as well.

Solid as a leadoff hitter as well.  He's a spark.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: TheRightHander on April 14, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 14, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
No argument from me on Giarrizzi.  That guy comes straight out of centerfield in the late innings of close games.  No proper warmup, yet he has given up 0 earned runs in 16 innings and only 4 hits with 30 Ks.  He is 2-0 on the mound.  He did have one pitching start during the season as well.

Solid as a leadoff hitter as well.  He's a spark.
Personally, I think Giarrizzi does not have enough innings to even be considered a utility player. Although his stats are phenomenal for the few innings he has thrown, with his start he still only has 16 innings. 90+% of his innings are specifically in centerfield.

I'm a little surprised CNU did not use him more on the mound this season. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 14, 2009, 05:52:25 PM
Shenandoah's Jon Holcomb could be consider for "utility" since he played both 2B and RF.
29games  .433avg, 97ab, 35r, 42h, 20rbi, 6 doubles and 11bb's

What about GB's "outfielder", Clint DeHaven?  He put up some respectable numbers:
31games  .404avg, 99ab, 25r, 40h, 23rbi, 9doubles, 1triple, 7hr's and 7bb's.

Shenandoah's Scott Lambert also a "utility" guy as he played both C and RF.
34games  .417avg, 115ab, 43r, 48h, 38rbi, 6doubles, 3triples, 1hr and 21bb

Shenandoah's Jesse Henry at "shortstop" :
34games  .415avg, 123ab, 45r, 51h, 39rbi, 11doubles, 1triple, 3hr and 22bb


Both Holcomb and DeHaven were 1st and 2nd overall in hitting respectively followed by SU's Scott Lambert .417, Jesse Henry .415 and Jasen Eberz at .414   


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 14, 2009, 06:47:23 PM
For RP, I like to think Methodist's Alex Sholar has been the strongest this year.  Overll numbers are 3-0 record, with 2.55 ERA in 17 appearances including 2 saves.  Opponents hit .252 against him and he had 25 K's in 24 Innings.  Numbers are even stronger in Conference play with 1-0 record and 0.96 ERA in 6 appearances covering 9.1 innings.

I would give a a close second to John Child of NCWC with a 1-1 record and 3.38 ERA overall in 18 appearances with 5 saves and 2.19 ERA in 7 appearances in conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2009, 01:26:56 PM
as andre agassi used to say "image is everything"....trae bailey is poty

Player of the Year
Trae Bailey - Chris. Newport

Pitcher of the Year
Ben Moore - N.C. Wesleyan

Rookie of the Year
Trey Such - Methodist

Rookie Pitcher of the Year
Michael Mahaffey - Methodist

Coach of the Year
Charlie Long - N.C. Wesleyan

The 2009 USA South All-Conference Baseball Teams follow:

First Team
1B - Trey Such - Methodist
2B - Brian Halpin - Methodist
3B - Zollie Woodlief - N.C. Wesleyan
SS - Trae Bailey - Christopher Newport
C -  Dustin Proctor - Methodist
DH - Michael Romett - Christopher Newport
Util - Brian Goodwin - Methodist
OF - Luke Williford - N.C. Wesleyan
       Clint DeHaven - Greensboro
       Mike Giarrizzi - Christopher Newport
P - Ben Moore - N.C. Wesleyan
     Josh Simons - Shenandoah
RP - Mike Giarrizzi - Christopher Newport

Second Team
1B - Chris Despins - Christopher Newport
2B - Paul Jaglowski - Ferrum
3B - Shawn Lovette - Methodist
SS - Brian Inghram - Methodist
C - Justin Batts - N.C. Wesleyan
DH - Justin Tuck - N.C. Wesleyan
Util - Dion Wilder - Averett
OF - Brad Davis - Methodist
       Travis Crump - Ferrum
       Tripp Lancaster - Methodist
P - Ben Hildreth - Averett
     Michael Manfro - Greensboro
RP - Alex Sholar - Methodist
   
Honorable Mention
1B - Greg Van Sickler - Shenandoah
2B - Michael Parker - Greensboro
3B - Parker Neal - Christopher Newport
SS - Jesse Henry - Shenandoah
C - Scott Lambert - Shenandoah
DH - Cory Nelson - Shenandoah
Util - Eric McGuire - Averett
OF - Ryan Laboy - Greensboro
       Jon Holcomb - Shenandoah
       Jasen Eberz - Shenandoah
P - Josh Brinkman - Christopher Newport
     Landon Jordan - Methodist
RP - John Child - N.C. Wesleyan

All-Sportsmanship Team
Tyler Grogan - Averett
Steven Lindemuth - Christopher Newport
Dustin Howell - Ferrum
Jacob Tomb - Greensboro
Brian Goodwin - Methodist
Zollie Woodlief - N.C. Wesleyan
Jesse Henry - Shenandoah

i have multiple issues, but van sickler and inghram, who were 1 and 2 in rbi's in the conference as honorable mention and 2nd team, respectively is where it starts

with all due respect to trae bailey, who is a fantastic player, brian inghram had a better year and deserved to be the 1st team ss, if not poty
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 15, 2009, 02:16:11 PM
Who votes on the all sportsmanship team?  That players team or the whole conference?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 15, 2009, 02:18:29 PM
After giving a good look at Bailey's stats I wanna know who he stole that base off of.  He is one slow dude, must have been a busted hit and ran. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: HighHeat on April 15, 2009, 02:38:52 PM
i have a problem with a guy getting Pitcher of the Year with an ERA of close to 6!! What!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: eraguy1975 on April 15, 2009, 03:05:48 PM
The pitching in the league was very very very down this season, really no quality arms. Moore getting pitcher of the year with a 5 ERA and Manfro on the 2nd team means the pitching had to be slim if these guys were getting any sort of awards. And as stated earlier, no disrespect to Trae Bailey but he was clearly NOT the player of the year. Ingrahm and Williford were better options in my opinion. Just a very down year talent wise for the USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2009, 03:15:24 PM
I'm going to be a little more generous than eraguy.  I think it may have been a down year performance wise, but obviously alot of the talent played in the conference last year as well -- Trae Bailey for one.

I don't think there was any one pitcher who really stood out.  Several had excellent games but were inconsistent. I think Ingrahm's rbis were very impressive. He did play 7 more games than Bailey (but not enough of a difference to account for his impressive rbi total).  He had a lower batting average, however, in both conference and non-conference games than Bailey.  And as someone pointed out, he stole a heck of a lot more bases. 

I thought Eric Cole had a pretty good year and he didn't receive any recognition.  He was first team last year. Obviously, the talent is still there but perhaps his performance was more inconsistent this year versus last.

I'm waiting to hear from Shenandoah.  I think they will feel very slighted.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 15, 2009, 03:30:41 PM
    Look at the in conference stats and Bailey's numbers are every bit as good as the other folks mentioned. Ingram and Williford had  great years, no question, tough call indeed.   You can argue all day with good support for a hand full of folks, but the selection was by the coaches, who know them all well.  I'm very biased as I've seen every game that Trae has played, but he has been clutch, and has suffered some from being pitched around most of the year (29 walks/hbp in 27 games). You also won't see his numbers fattened by going wild in 2-3 games against a lesser quality opponent.

  I disagree on it being a down  year talent-wise. I think it's simply a year with a boatload of outstanding hitters.  Four different third basemen put up numbers that would've put them on first team a year ago.There's no Kenny Moreland but those don't come along ever year.     Shenandoah has a bunch of guys with play station numbers, and they proved to be a legit quality club. Methodist hung 40 runs up against Shenandoah.   It has simply been a wacky numerical year and I'm glad somebody else had to make the all conference calls.


   Now we get to what matters most to all of these guys, the Tournament title.   Forget all conference teams,  Championship rings and NCAA Regional on the line-should be a dandy!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2009, 03:46:20 PM
nice post... on to the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 15, 2009, 05:50:38 PM
I am going to agree on most post about POTY.  CNU SS Bailey had good numbers but a player of the year should come from a team that ended better than 5-5 in conference.  I like NCWC 3B Zollie Woodlief, NCWC CF Luke Williford or even C Dustin Proctor from Methodist.  All three of those guys were key to their teams winning conference games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 15, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 15, 2009, 05:50:38 PM
I am going to agree on most post about POTY.  CNU SS Bailey had good numbers but a player of the year should come from a team that ended better than 5-5 in conference.  I like NCWC 3B Zollie Woodlief, NCWC CF Luke Williford or even C Dustin Proctor from Methodist.  All three of those guys were key to their teams winning conference games.

So, Proctor is more deserving because Methodist was 6-4?  ???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 15, 2009, 09:15:41 PM
Obviously with 6 teams not playing all of their 12 conference games must of had some type of influence on the selections.

The ALL-CONFERENCE selections is just 6 other coaches opinion of who they think are the best players.  Nobody ever said it would always be fair.  Looks like one team still has something to prove to the doubters.

I just wonder IF they had 2 votes (Head Coach and Assistant) from each team would help make a better representation of what more individuals thought were the best players for 1st and 2nd team.  With just 6 votes, 1 single vote can make a huge difference. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 15, 2009, 03:30:41 PMLook at the in conference stats and Bailey's numbers are every bit as good as the other folks mentioned.

i disagree
conference only stats
Player                       avg      r      h      2b   3b hr    rbi    tb    slg%    bb    ob%    sb-att
BAILEY, Trae, CNUB      .410    10    16    2    0    3    10    27    .692    7    .500    0-0
INGHRAM, Brian, MUB    .391    12    18    1    0    5    21    34    .739    5    .462    6-6

WILLIFORD, Luke          .444    15    24    6    0    1    15    33    .611    2    .466    11-13

overall stats
Player                         avg    r      h     2b  3b    hr    rbi    tb    slg%    bb    ob%    sb-att 
BAILEY, Trae, CNUB      .404    34    42    6    0    6    29    66    .635    24    .526    1-1 
INGHRAM, Brian, MUB    .377    41    52    5    2    8    51    85    .616    23    .471    14-16 
WILLIFORD, Luke,         .376    32    44  11    2    3    33    68    .581    8      .411    23-26 

some analysis stats
     w/ runners on     w/ 2 outs     w/ risp   w/ runner on 3rd<2 out
bailey     0.339             0.520        0.364       0.364
inghram   0.456             0.500        0.500       0.500
williford   0.377             0.409        0.370       0.370

i think these numbers show that both williford and inghram were more "clutch" than bailey, too
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2009, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 15, 2009, 08:25:24 PMSo, Proctor is more deserving because Methodist was 6-4?  ???
no, but .385, 13 2b, 2 3b, 10 hr, 39 rbi and 12 sb's in 31 games for a team that finished ahead of cnu might be :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 06:53:42 AM
So...has anyone heard there may be a tournament starting today  ::)

Good luck to all the teams down in Burlington.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 16, 2009, 07:03:55 AM
CNU85,
I am going to stick to my guns here because when NCWC swept Methodist at Fayettevile, they were without Proctor that weekend and it sure affected them.  With Proctor, the defense and bat from the catcher position would have been better.


Quote from: CNU85 on April 15, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 15, 2009, 05:50:38 PM
I am going to agree on most post about POTY.  CNU SS Bailey had good numbers but a player of the year should come from a team that ended better than 5-5 in conference.  I like NCWC 3B Zollie Woodlief, NCWC CF Luke Williford or even C Dustin Proctor from Methodist.  All three of those guys were key to their teams winning conference games.

So, Proctor is more deserving because Methodist was 6-4?  ???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 16, 2009, 08:09:07 AM
How about an All-Freshman Team to recognize the newcomers?

1B - Cory Nelson (Shenandoah) - 28 G/101 AB - .356, 6 HR, 30 RBI, 34 R, 11 doubles, 3 SB
2B - Paul Jaglowski (Ferrum) - 25 G/110 AB - .409, 1 HR, 24 RBI, 21 R, 6 doubles, 11 SB
SS - No one worth mentioning
3B - Josh Perks (Methodist) - 19 G/28 AB - .250, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 9 R
C - Steven Lindemuth (CNU) - 20 G/60 AB - .333, 2 HR, 13 RBI, 6 doubles
OF - Patrick Laffin (NCWC) - 22 G/65AB - .292, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 10 R
OF - Jason Parker (Ferrum) - 13 G/39 AB - .308, 0 HR, 12 R, 3 SB
OF - Kyle Newcomb (Averett) - 27 G/85 AB - .294, 1 HR, 13 RBI, 12 R, 3 SB
DH - Trey Such (Methodist) - 33 G/111 AB - .369, 5 HR, 31 RBI, 22 R, 8 doubles, 25 BB

P - Eric Rabung (Shenandoah) 6-0, 4.15 ERA, 7 G, 39 INN, 48 HITS, 29 K's, OPP BA .308
P - Michael Mahaffey (Methodist) 2-4, 4.56 ERA, 13 G, 1 SV, 47.1 INN, 46 HITS, 45 K's, OPP BA .254
P - Jake Yocum (Shenandoah) 4-0, 3.25 ERA, 6 G, 27.2 INN, 23 HITS, 31 K's, OPP BA .223
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 16, 2009, 09:58:06 AM
I like your all-freshman team....

2nd inning.  Sitting here at work.  Love the live stats...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 16, 2009, 11:43:12 AM
Greensboro also has a great web stream.  Best in the region in that regard.  3 GBC errors have hurt Manfro who has pitched well.  Van Sickler has been impressively efficient -- 3 hits through 8 innings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
SU wins 6-0 and now NCWC gets to face Greensboro tonight. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 16, 2009, 11:56:19 AM
SU moves to (29-6) on the year with opening game win over Greensboro in USA-South Tourney.

0-4-3 ... GB
6-6-1 ... SU

Manfro goes 8IP, 6hits, 11KO's, 3FlyOuts, 9GroudOuts and 33BF

VanSickler goes CG, 4hits, 8KO's, 8Flyouts, 10Groudouts and 31BF

SU's Nelson and Brashears had 2 hits a piece with Nelson scoring 2 runs and Brashears 1.  Both Lambert and Holcomb had RBI singles in the 7th inning.


LIVE STATS for ALL games ...
http://sidearmstats.com/ferrum/baseball/

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
great pitching performances by both manfro and van sickler today...more importantly, both pitched cg's, saving their 'pens (but also assuring that they probably won't pitch much more this weekend) - looks like it was a great game to start the tournament

manfro - that's the kind of performance that will get you much respect...you backed up the talk for perhaps one of the first times this year...big game, big stakes, big performance - keep letting your arm talk (and not your fingers)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 16, 2009, 02:58:20 PM
Very impressive so far...Everything is at stakes.  Great job on Manfro and Van Sickler, both pitched great...Manfro had 11K's!!!!!

CNU-Ferrum tied at 1-1, bottom of 9th.  Cauley in for Wilson for Ferrum.

NCWC has their hands full tonight with either Phetteplace or Allred, not sure who they are throwing.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 03:02:55 PM
IN a year that had a lot of offense we have had some really good pitching performance today. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 16, 2009, 03:07:37 PM
I'll say.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 03:52:22 PM
Ferrum with the 2-1 upset of CNU in extra innings. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 03:52:22 PM
Ferrum with the 2-1 upset of CNU in extra innings. 
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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 07:46:09 PM
Is Hildreth on a pitch count?  Why in the world would you take him out?  Maybe it will work out for AU...up 2-0 on MU going into the bottom of the 9th.

WOW... ???
...Who'd have thunk it...CNU vs MU in an early elimination game and Ferrum vs Averett in winners bracket game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 07:46:09 PM
Is Hildreth on a pitch count?  Why in the world would you take him out?  Maybe it will work out for AU...up 2-0 on MU going into the bottom of the 9th.
pitch count in your senior year in your last conference tourney that is crazy stuff to me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 07:58:28 PM
Exactly, catfish.  Unless Ben was just gassed...but I know him well enough to know he wants to compete and pulling him made no sense.  It worked out for them, though.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 16, 2009, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 07:46:09 PM


WOW... ???
...Who'd have thunk it...CNU vs MU in an early elimination game and Ferrum vs Averett in winners bracket game.

Uh-Oh. Gonna be a bad bus ride home for somebody around noon tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 16, 2009, 08:46:22 PM
I was told from a person at the game that Hildreth threw a few warm up pitches in the 9th and then put the baseball down on the mound and pointed to his arm.  Hope he's OK and it's nothing serious.

2-9-2 ... Averett
1-6-2 ... Methodist


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 16, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
Thanks for that info.  I hope he is fine.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
i thought this was supposed to be a great year for usasac offensive players :)

hildreth threw a real gem...he scared me going in, and i was right to be scared...i can't fathom that the monarchs and captains will play an elimination game on friday...crazy
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 16, 2009, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 03:02:55 PM
IN a year that had a lot of offense we have had some really good pitching performance today. 

I heard there's NO hitter's eye background in the DAY games.  Hitter's were having trouble picking up the baseball during the daylight.  I agree, pitching has been outstanding but heard hitter's were having trouble.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 16, 2009, 10:39:03 PM
Game 1 Recap :
BURLINGTON, N.C. - Fourth-seeded Shenandoah University opened up the 2009 USA South Conference baseball Tournament with a 6-0 win over Greensboro College Thursday morning at Burlington Athletic Park.

Sophomore Greg Van Sickler (6-2) tossed a complete-game, four-hitter to give the Hornets (29-6) their first conference tournament win in three seasons.

Van Sickler struck out eight and only allowed three runners into scoring position to toss his first career shutout.

Michael Manfro (2-6) held SU without a hit for the first 2 1/3 innings, but was victimized by a couple of costly Pride (16-20) errors.

After Shenandoah scored its first run in the third when Jon Holcomb drew a walk, advanced to third on Kevin Brashears' bloop single to right and then came home when Brashears stole second, GC gave the Hornets three unearned runs in the fifth.

Cory Nelson started the rally with a leadoff single up the middle and after two outs were recorded, moved into scoring position when Holcomb laid down a bunt that the Pride couldn't handle at third base.

Brashears singled to left and when GC left-fielder Clint DeHaven fumbled the ball, Nelson was able to come home with the first unearned run of the frame.

Two pitches later, Greensboro attempted to pick Holcomb off at third as Brashears stole second; the throw went into left and both Holcomb and Brashears were able to score.

Two more runs on three hits in the seventh provided the final margin of victory.

Ryan Laboy provided GC with its best chance to score with a leadoff double in the ninth, but Van Sickler preserved his shutout with two groundouts and a flyout.





Game 2 Recap :
BURLINGTON, N.C. -- #6 seed Ferrum College advanced in the 2009 USA South Baseball Tournament with a 2-1 win over #3  Christopher Newport University this afternoon at Burlington Athletic Stadium. 

Jon Wilson pitched eight full innings, allowing eight hits and an earned run, and struck out two.  Dennis Cauley allowed one hit over the final three innings, while striking out two, to earn the win.

Jesse Fuller, who went 0-4 in his first four plate appearances, blasted a single to right field to score Jason Parker from second base.  Fuller played well defensively, registering a putout and five assists.

Paul Jaglowski, Travis Crump and Gabe Moncada each had two base hits for Ferrum.

Christopher Newport University (19-8-1) got two base hits each from Michael Romett, Shannon Mark and USA South Player of the Year Trae Bailey.  Starting pitcher Josh Brinkmann went 9.1 innings before being lifted with the game tied 1-1.  Mike Giarrizzi, who started the game in center field, pitched the last 2.1 innings for the Captains to get the loss.

Earlier in the day, #4 Shenandoah University defeated #5 Greensboro College 6-0 to open the tournament.  Ferrum (13-13) will face the winner of today's game between #2 Methodist University and #7 Averett University Friday morning at 9 a.m.





Game 3 Recap :
BURLINGTON, N.C. — Seventh-seeded Averett University held off No. 2 seed Methodist University in the bottom of the ninth inning for a 2-1 upset in the first round of the USA South Conference Tournament on Thursday afternoon at Burlington Athletic Stadium.

Averett (14-22-1) led 1-0 entering the ninth inning, but the Cougars added another run when Jake Loye beat out a two-out bunt that allowed Adam Higgins to score from third.

That proved to be crucial in the bottom half of the inning. Averett left-hander Jon Walker, who relieved Ben Hildreth at the start of the ninth inning, gave up a leadoff walk. Walker got the next two batters to fly out and strike out, respectively, to leave the Cougars one out away from victory.

But Methodist's Brian Goodwin doubled down the right-field line, which scored Doug Furlong from first. Walker got out of the jam thanks to a pop out to first base to end the game and complete the upset of the Monarchs (24-11).

Walker earned his second save of the season, while Hildreth notched the victory to improve to 6-5 overall.

Averett plays No. 6 seed Ferrum College at 9 a.m. Friday in Burlington. Methodist will play No. 3 seed Christopher Newport University at 9:30 a.m. at Elon University.

Averett broke a scoreless tie in the seventh inning when Higgins scored on Michael Moore's bunt single.

The Cougars had multiple opportunities to score prior to the seventh inning, but they couldn't get a timely hit. Overall Averett left 12 runners on base, including eight in scoring position.




Game 4 Recap :
BURLINGTON, N.C. — No. 1 seed N.C. Wesleyan eliminated No. 5 Greensboro from the USA South Conference Tournament with an 8-4 victory on Thursday night at Burlington Athletic Stadium.

N.C. Wesleyan (21-15) took a 6-4 in the bottom of the six inning on Justin Batts' two-run double down the left-field line. The Battling Bishops added a pair of insurance runs in the eighth.

N.C. Wesleyan will face No. 4 Shenandoah University at 12 p.m. on Friday in Burlington. The loss ends Greensboro's season.

The Pride (16-21) jumped on N.C. Wesleyan for three runs in the top of the second inning, including one on a RBI single by Bobby Amato.

The Battling Bishops answered in the bottom half of the inning to score a pair or runs thanks to a fielding error and a bases-loaded walk.

The Pride maintained a 3-2 lead until the fifth inning. N.C. Wesleyan tied the game on a sacrifice fly to center field, which scored Batts from third. Greensboro had a chance to get out of the inning without further harm, but another error allowed Zollie Woodlief to score from second base with two outs to give the Bishops a 4-3 advantage.

That lead didn't last long. Greensboro responded with a run in the sixth on Amato's bunt single to tie the game at 4-4.

N.C. Wesleyan ace Ben Moore earned the victory, striking out four in seven innings of work.

Batts finished 4-for-5 at the plate to lead the Bishops offensively.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
Bishops with a 8-5 win over GBoro. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 16, 2009, 11:04:58 PM
Quote from: catfishncwc on April 16, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
Bishops with a 8-5 win over GBoro. 

Little bit touch and go there for a while dont you think,  So who is throwing in 13 hours?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 10:24:49 AM
I'm trying to figure out how the run scored on this inning ending doubleplay yesterday.

Ferrum College 7th - FULLER struck out looking. CRUMP singled to shortstop. MONCADA singled through the right side; CRUMP advanced to third. MARSHALL grounded into double play 1b to ss to 1b; MONCADA out on the play; CRUMP scored. 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB.


* * *

Is it possible the runner reached first safely and then was picked off?  It sure doesn't read that way in the play by play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 11:15:57 AM
Alright, I'm not at the game.  I'm following the live stats.  But I just don't think the Captains want to win today.

Is anyone warming up in the bullpen?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2009, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 10:24:49 AM
I'm trying to figure out how the run scored on this inning ending doubleplay yesterday.

Ferrum College 7th - FULLER struck out looking. CRUMP singled to shortstop. MONCADA singled through the right side; CRUMP advanced to third. MARSHALL grounded into double play 1b to ss to 1b; MONCADA out on the play; CRUMP scored. 1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB.


* * *

Is it possible the runner reached first safely and then was picked off?  It sure doesn't read that way in the play by play.

i wondered the same thing...

the offenses are coming to play today...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 17, 2009, 11:29:55 AM
Yeah, Narch...real pitchers duel  ::) with MU up 9-8 in the FIFTH and CNU threatening with the heart of the order up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 17, 2009, 11:46:34 AM
gotta a barn burner at Elon with CNU up 11-9 in the 6th. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 17, 2009, 11:29:55 AM
Yeah, Narch...real pitchers duel  ::) with MU up 9-8 in the FIFTH and CNU threatening with the heart of the order up.
this one may still come down to pitching...although it might be a 18-17 game :)

monarchs are up 12-11 after 2 hr's in the 6th
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 12:13:27 PM
I can't take it anymore......

Oh well.

12-12, but it may be 14-12 by the time I write this.  MU has two guys on and no one out. 

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
I know the game started early.  Did the pitching coach(es) oversleep?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 17, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
Ferrum is sitting in the Saturday's winner's bracket 12noon game after defeating Averett 9 to 6 this morning.

CNU back on top 14-13 in top 8th with 1 out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2009, 12:42:00 PM
kevin moreland has been HUGE through 5 batters, striking out the heart of the monarch order with the bases loaded and no outs in the 7th, and starting the 8th with 2 k's...

make it 6 k's in 6 ab's...

14-13 cnu going into the 9th...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 17, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
I know it's just the the top of 1st ...

Eberz hit a 3-runner to make it SU 5 as SU sent 9 guys to plate in top of 1st ... and NCW coming to bat.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 17, 2009, 01:02:46 PM
FINAL

16 - 18 - 3 ... CNU
13 - 13 - 4 ... Methodist


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
Kevin Moreland -- outstanding.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
Might this be Shenandoah's year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 17, 2009, 01:29:36 PM
SU 9 NCW 0 after 2 innings complete.

SU might be on a mission since the majority has doubted their schedule of play and one could say they were somewhat slighted in the All-Conference selections, but a lot of baseball to be played.

Again, a lot of parity within the USA-South.  Ferrum is HOT right now and those kids have to believe in themselves.  I know of Coach McGuire who is a top-notch assistant.


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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 17, 2009, 02:05:27 PM
So I get back from lunch and the score is 10-0 SU.  I should of just stayed at lunch.  Oh well it is still early in the game we could make a comeback. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 17, 2009, 02:21:41 PM
10-5 now going into top 6th, NCW has a 2-out rally scoring 4.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 17, 2009, 03:05:59 PM
SU gets another quality win.

17 - 21 - 1 ... SU
05 - 08 - 1 ... NCW

Game is called after 7inning 12-run mercy rule.  SU takes on a RED-HOT Ferrum team tomorrow at 12noon in winner's bracket game.

SU's Josh Simons does it again on the bump along with the SU's bats that came out swinging early and often to aid Simon's outstanding performance.  His only hiccup was in the bottom of 5th when NCW bat's woke up and scored 4 runs in a 2-out rally after beginning the inning with 2 KO's.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 17, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
CNU wins 11-4. Tough game tomorrow. Wait....all the games have been tough....based on the 4 left (CNU, Ferrum, SU and NCW) plus Methodist with over 20 wins.....how many from the conference play in the NCAA? Ferrum needs to win it all. Is Methodist hurt by losing both tourney games? Is making it to Saturday enough for SU, CNU and NCW even if they don't win it all? Too many questions to answer.....it will be slightly clearer tomorrow night.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2009, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 17, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
Kevin Moreland -- outstanding.
understatement of the year (at least for today)...striking out 8 of 9 in a critical situation is beyond outstanding

'85 - i think that the monarchs are likely done...they have 2 with emory and 2 with piedmont, but those teams aren't having the type of year that they usually do...even 4-0 against those teams is unlikely to send mu into the regional - if they have ANY chance, though, i think they'll need to win those 4 games, hope that su wins the usasac and hope that lc wins the odac

i think cnu has an outside shot without a usasac title because they've got 2 vs. ssu (30-5), 2 vs. York (24-8), as well as one against catholic and 2 vs. stevenson...if they get to the tournament final and win 5 of those 7, they'll be in pretty good shape - i think ncwc is out without a usasac title (too many losses) and i think su has a good shot regardless of what happens in the tournament
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 18, 2009, 08:23:45 AM
Kevin Moreland, 9 up, 9 down, 8 by k, in an absolute clutch sitiuation. One of the best pitching performances I've ever seen.     (CNU players joked the lead would be "Kenny Moreland's brother Kevin..." .  Both Moreland boys get much love from their teammates.)  Kevin showed how he dominated as a closer in CPL last summer. Amazing job.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 18, 2009, 10:24:05 AM
Today we can go with "Kevin Moreland's brother, Kenny".  I couldn't believe the 3ks when the bases were loaded.  Truly a career performance....

CNU has a tough road, even tougher than last year when they had an opening win before working their way through the loser's bracket.

How about bringing in a freshman yesterday with the bases loaded (a guy who had not pitched all year).  Trial by fire.  Sort of worked out since he induced a double play. Tournament games are crazy.

Shenandoah is really in a good position right now. (And Ferrum too, but I'd give the edge to Shenandoah)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 18, 2009, 02:37:15 PM
Shenandoah (31-6) gets by the scrappy Ferrum Panthers by the score of 9 to 2 in the winner's bracket.  SU moves into Sunday's USA-South Title game waiting on CNU, NCW or Ferrum to advance after the 3pm and 7pm elimination games today

R    H    E
2 - 06 - 2 ... Ferrum
9 - 13 - 3 ... Shenandoah
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 18, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
Looking like NCWC and SU for all the marbles tomorrow.  This should be good for both teams getting bids, as I suspect only the ODAC tourney champ will get a bid out of that conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on April 18, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
Go Bishops!!...

NCWC 9
Ferrum 5   end of 8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on April 18, 2009, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: Tireman4 on April 18, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
Go Bishops!!...

NCWC 9
Ferrum 5  bottom of 8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on April 18, 2009, 10:18:28 PM
NCWC 10
Ferrum 8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: A.G. on April 18, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
Looking like NCWC and SU for all the marbles tomorrow.  This should be good for both teams getting bids, as I suspect only the ODAC tourney champ will get a bid out of that conference.
a.g. - i think 16 losses is too many for an at-large...i could be wrong, but i suspect it will be...i think cnu has the next best chance at an at-large if su wins (i think su is a lock if they don't win it)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 19, 2009, 12:51:12 AM
At 23-16, I think we have way too many loses, but we are 8-6 vs ranked opponents.  Also NCWC has won regular season title plus made it to Championship game of USA South tournament.  I think if we split with Shenandoah Sunday we may be able to get an at large bid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2009, 12:52:20 AM
Quote from: narch on April 19, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: A.G. on April 18, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
Looking like NCWC and SU for all the marbles tomorrow.  This should be good for both teams getting bids, as I suspect only the ODAC tourney champ will get a bid out of that conference.
a.g. - i think 16 losses is too many for an at-large...i could be wrong, but i suspect it will be...i think cnu has the next best chance at an at-large if su wins (i think su is a lock if they don't win it)

Agree with you here.  A majority of those losses are in region.  And I hate to use this saying but it "is all about how they started not how they will finish" with regards to an at large bid.  They need to put it all on the line tomorrow.  I would hate to see those first twelve games be the reason their season would come to a halt if they didn't fair so well tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 19, 2009, 06:59:33 AM
NCWC sure did turn it's season around after that dismal start.  Good luck to them today. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 19, 2009, 01:31:27 PM
Looking like an "If game" in the making as NCWC leading by 7 runs late in the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 19, 2009, 02:40:16 PM
Yea tourney just got a lot more interesting.

Game two of the championship series is underway.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 19, 2009, 02:45:43 PM
Game 1 :

16 - 16 - 1 ... NCW
06 - 10 - 3 ... SU


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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 19, 2009, 04:27:58 PM
Ben Moore goes the distance and gets the Tourney MVP.
 
2 - 7 - 1 ... SU (31-8)
6 - 7 - 3 ... NCW (25-16)


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 19, 2009, 04:48:26 PM
Congrats to NCWC and their tourney title.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on April 19, 2009, 05:27:59 PM
Wow. Congrats to the Bishops and all the conference members who participated in the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 19, 2009, 05:33:23 PM
Good tournament.  The rain held off just enough and NCWC claimed a well-deserved crown.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 19, 2009, 06:48:53 PM
Congrats to NCWC-well-earned. Two years in a row the regular season top seed loses game 2, then does it the hard way. Alsos, two years in a row, the USAS Pitcher of  the year wins first and last games and is tourny mvp. Nice job Mr. Moore!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 19, 2009, 07:35:07 PM
Congratulations to the guys at NCWC.  They took what looked like a bad season and turned it into a regular season conference championship and a tournament championship.  And the difference with this team and the last team that advanced to the regionals, is that a lot of guys have been there before.  Those guys in 06 hadn't.  Good luck to the guys here on out and to the others in the USAS deserving of an at-large bid.  To all the haters the best team won.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2009, 09:27:26 PM
ben moore = stud...good luck to ncwc (and probably su...and maybe cnu or mu) in the regional - rep the usasac well

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 19, 2009, 11:06:27 PM
The 2009 USA-South tourney just supports that this conference is pretty darn competitive from top to bottom.


Who would have guessed the following ?

- both #6 Ferrum and #7 Averett would knock off #3 CNU and #2 MU by the scores of 2-1 on Day 1
- both CNU and MU facing elimination on Day 2
- Methodist would go 0-2
- the scrappy Ferrum Panthers on Day 3, in the winner's bracket game along with SU
- NCW would play 36innings of baseball in less than 25hrs to win the USA-South tourney

NCW playing 36 innings of baseball in less than 25hours was pretty impressive and they got it done.

I said several weeks ago that I thought Shenandoah University had to get to the USA-South Title game to hopefully get an at-large bid.  A lot of folks doubted the Hornets BUT they were in the USA-South Conference Tourney Title game by knocking off Greensboro 6-0, who came into the tournament playing some of their best baseball of the year, NCW 17-5 and Ferrum 9-2.  Not sure how that can be ignored or disputed.  SU currently has 31 wins and they defeated every ODAC opponent that they played this year.   SU is currently 23-1 outside the USA-South conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 20, 2009, 09:41:06 AM
With CAC and USAC tournaments done, we know NC Wesleyan (25-16) and Salisbury (33-5) are in NCAA regionals.   Centennial Conference has their tournament April 1st with Ursinius (21-9) and Franklin and Marshall (18-12) as the favorites to win it.  On the ODAC, their tournament get underway this week with Lynchburg (25-12) as the nbr 1 seed and VA Wesleyan (23-12) as the nbr 2 seed.  The Great South also has Huntington playing well (22-13).  For the at large bids, I think Shenandoah (31-8) and York (24-9) have the best shots.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2009, 10:16:35 AM
Actually, my understanding was that Salisbury's conference does not receive an automatic bid:

http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament

(Not that they won't get won).  I may be wrong, however.  Often have been...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 20, 2009, 11:31:32 AM
The Great South Conference like the CAC does not have an automatic bid.  I doubt any team from that conference will get in.

The Centennial Conference automatic bid will more than likely go to the mid-atlantic regional.  Even though last year Hopkins came south.

I also believe Millsaps will be shipped to another regional because of the distance between Mississippi and Maryland.  Maybe the central region.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 21, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
I hope some of you will troll over to the ODAC thread to talk about the ODAC tournament...I am pretty much tired of talking to myself all year long.  Here are the particulars, if anyone gives a rip  ;D :
2009 ODAC Baseball Championship

Tournament Schedule and Seedings

1. Lynchburg    
2. Virginia Wesleyan    
3. Randolph-Macon    
4. Bridgewater
5. Hampden-Sydney
6. Washington and Lee

Thursday, April 23
GAME 1: #1 Lynchburg vs. #6 Washington and Lee - 11:00am
GAME 2: #2 Virginia Wesleyan vs. #5 Hampden-Sydney - 3:00pm
GAME 3: #3 Randolph-Macon vs. #4 Bridgewater - 7:00pm

Friday, April 24
GAME 4: Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 2 - 11:00am
GAME 5: Winner Game 1 vs. Loser Game 3 - 3:00pm
GAME 6: Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3 - 7:00pm

Here is the link for live stats:
http://www.odaconline.com/livestats/baseball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 21, 2009, 02:19:48 PM
I'll be following the ODAC tournament since I know a few players on a couple of the teams....  Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2009, 09:08:18 PM
a.g. - thanks for the heads up...i know i'll be watching and rooting for the hornets...and i hope that we see more of the superman dance out of the lc crew :)

the monarchs swept two 7 innings games (8-4, 2-1) vs. emory today to improve to 26-12 on the season - jordan got the win in game one, going 4 innings and allowing 2 hits and 0 er - the monarchs got 12 hits in 7 innings, led by inghram who went 2-3 with 3 rbi and lovette who went 3-5 with 3 runs - game two saw mahaffey get the win going 5.1 innings and giving up 1 er on 2 hits - inghram went 1-2 with 2 rbi for the monarchs

the monarchs finish up with 2 vs. piedmont after a break for exams...

it would be great to see mu find another team that has had some rain outs and is on the tournament bubble and pick up a couple more games...if they could somehow get to 30 wins, i'd feel like they had a shot
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 22, 2009, 05:20:12 AM
Quote from: narch on April 21, 2009, 09:08:18 PM
it would be great to see mu find another team that has had some rain outs and is on the tournament bubble and pick up a couple more games...if they could somehow get to 30 wins, i'd feel like they had a shot

LC may well be in that same boat!  It will be interesting to see if the bubble teams try to get together over the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 22, 2009, 11:54:52 AM
Methodist is playing Piedmont 3 times instead of 2.  They added a game because both teams were missing games due to the rain.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 23, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
SU (32-8) and (26-7) "in-region" gets a complete-game shutout from Greg VanSickler with a 9-0 six-hitter with 13 KO's vs Stevenson University this evening in Glen Burnie, MD at the Bachman Sports Complex.


http://suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/042309.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 24, 2009, 07:49:42 PM
Huge win for the Captains today over Salisbury, 7-4 in Newport News. They play at Salisbury tomorrow. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 24, 2009, 07:49:42 PM
Huge win for the Captains today over Salisbury, 7-4 in Newport News. They play at Salisbury tomorrow. 
that is a very nice win, indeed...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: narch on April 24, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 24, 2009, 07:49:42 PM
Huge win for the Captains today over Salisbury, 7-4 in Newport News. They play at Salisbury tomorrow. 
that is a very nice win, indeed...
Yes, because Salisbury was playing for the #1 seed with Millsaps in the middle of a double elimination tourney!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 25, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
Wesleyan with a 7-1 win over York today.  Good win before regionals start in a couple of weeks. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 25, 2009, 06:26:48 PM
Shenandoah University gets another win over Wesley College by the score of 8 to 6.  SU moves to (33-8) and (27-7 "in-region").
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 26, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 14, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Thanks for posting the link re: Maine Presque Isle, Coach.  Did you mean to say that Franklin and Marshall will have a 20 win season and a couple guys drafted?  Or was that really SU you were referring to?  If it's F&M I am wondering who they are going to have the 20 wins against.

F & M is currently 20-13-1 on the year.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 26, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Well I am no longer wondering who they were going to have the 20 wins against.  I checked.  Swept McDaniel yesterday.  Elizabethtown. Swarthmore. They were swept by Johns Hopkins.  Shoot, even McDaniel has 15 wins this season.  Anybody consider them a serious contender?

Shenandoah is having a really good season, don't get me wrong.  I just can't get excited by them blowing away FM.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 26, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
Brandon Berry has his first career complete game today for the Captains.  They win 12-1 against York and sweep the DH.  Berry really had a quietly solid year.  Trae Bailey had 5 rbis in the 2nd game.  Nice to see him swinging the bat as the season winds down.

So pretty good weekend for CNU.  They split with Salisbury and sweep York.  Not such a good weekend for York as they lost to NC Wesleyan yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 26, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
CNU has one game left vs a solid Stevenson team.  With one more win...they may have just played themselves into the show.  Will it come at the expense of SU, though?  Would they send three teams from one league into the region?  It will be interesting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2009, 07:44:52 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 26, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
CNU has one game left vs a solid Stevenson team.  With one more win...they may have just played themselves into the show.  Will it come at the expense of SU, though?  Would they send three teams from one league into the region?  It will be interesting.
Probably not, because of the casualties from the other regions...

Wheaton MA, WPI, Millsaps, and we are in only the first weekend of tournaments.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 26, 2009, 09:20:29 PM
CNU has probably jumped York in the regional rankings.  I know York is pool B but they may have fallen to pool C consideration losing three in a row to USA-South teams.

The NJAC seems to get three teams in every year.  A Mid-Atlantic regionally ranked Montclair State team came south this year and got their tails handed to them going 2-7 against south region teams.

I think the USA-South has a strong chance to get three teams in.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 26, 2009, 09:20:29 PM
CNU has probably jumped York in the regional rankings.  I know York is pool B but they may have fallen to pool C consideration losing three in a row to USA-South teams.

The NJAC seems to get three teams in every year.  A Mid-Atlantic regionally ranked Montclair State team came south this year and got their tails handed to them going 2-7 against south region teams.

I think the USA-South has a strong chance to get three teams in.
Well, Montclair State played its first game of the season at Piedmont, for Piedmont's 13th game of the season.  Montclair's 10th game of the season, after 15 days on the road on that working spring training was Lynchburg's 18th.

Those aren't fair comparisons.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on April 26, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
I wonder if you would be giving USAC teams the same benefit of the doubt if the tables were turned and they were whipped by the NJAC. You would probably just say the NJAC was simply better.

I fear the committee is committed to letting at least 3 NJAC teams in the tournament, despite their miserable performance against out-of-conference opponents. Maybe the NJAC isnt as good as we think. Isn't a conference's intra-conference performance the best way to judge its strength???

These out of conference records do not scream to me "elite conference"; one that justifies the inclusion of these teams with mediocre records on the basis of a "they play tough opponents." 

Out of Conference Records

Montclair state   9-8

New Jersey        9-9-1

William Paterson   10-9

Rowan     11-4-1 (not bad, but #5 in the conference standings)

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 26, 2009, 10:22:45 PM
great weekend for the captains...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 27, 2009, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2009, 07:44:52 PM
Quote from: A.G. on April 26, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
CNU has one game left vs a solid Stevenson team.  With one more win...they may have just played themselves into the show.  Will it come at the expense of SU, though?  Would they send three teams from one league into the region?  It will be interesting.
Probably not, because of the casualties from the other regions...

Wheaton MA, WPI, Millsaps, and we are in only the first weekend of tournaments.

Good points.  At this point in time, if I had to choose between SU and CNU...I would definitely go with the Captains.  In spite of the gaudy record by SU, what is the winning percentage of those teams they beat...especially the northern schools early season within the 250 mile radius that are actually OUT of the South region.  If nothing else, we have something to generate some great debate over the next two weeks!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 11:20:19 AM
Against true south region teams Shenandoah is 19-7.  That includes going 8-7 against USA-South teams. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: A.G. on April 27, 2009, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 11:20:19 AM
Against true south region teams Shenandoah is 19-7.  That includes going 8-7 against USA-South teams. 

Nice stat...and one I am sure the committee will look at very closely.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 27, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 11:20:19 AM
Against true south region teams Shenandoah is 19-7.  That includes going 8-7 against USA-South teams. 
Also they were just 3-6 against the 3 teams in the USA South that finished above them in conference play.  Teams that are regional teams don't have losing records against other regional quality teams in your own conference. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 27, 2009, 12:14:34 PM
I wish folks would quit hate'n against SU's record.  SU cannot be penalized because they are the most furtherest northern school in the USA-South.  They are (27-7) in-region and 33-8 overall with one game left on the docket.  They played teams within 200 mile radius of the school which are "in-region" teams for SU.  Some of those PA schools are less than 2hours, why wouldn't you play them?

The NCAA setup "in-region" games 3 different ways: the actual region your team resides in; 200 mile radius of your school and the admin geographic region that your state belongs to.

The rankings is what matters and they were #3 on April 23rd and have won two more "in-region" since the 23rd.  I have never heard of a team winning more games and getting lowered in any rankings.

If their schedule was so weak, WHY were they even ranked 3rd on April 23rd?  Obviously the numbers are telling the "ranking committee" a different story then what other folks want to believe. 

April 23rd Reg'l ranking:
1. 32-6 29-5 Millsaps
2. 33-5 26-5 Salisbury
3. 31-8 25-7 Shenandoah
4. 21-9-1 17-9 Christopher Newport
5. 24-9 24-9  York (Pa.)





Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 01:58:25 PM
York is the most northern team in the south region.  They are in PA.  Even through they are in PA they played or are playing 32 games against true south region teams and 8 against teams in 200 mile radius.

SU has played 16 games against teams not in the "south region" and went 15-1 against those teams.

No wonder SU is leaving the USA-South and joining a PA conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2009, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 01:58:25 PM
York is the most northern team in the south region.  They are in PA.  Even through they are in PA they played or are playing 32 games against true south region teams and 8 against teams in 200 mile radius.

SU has played 16 games against teams not in the "south region" and went 15-1 against those teams.

No wonder SU is leaving the USA-South and joining a PA conference.
Leaving the USA-South?

Which conference are they rumored to be joining?

(The past news was their attempts to join the ODAC.)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 27, 2009, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 01:58:25 PMSU has played 16 games against teams not in the "south region" and went 15-1 against those teams.
by this measure, su is 12-6 against true "south region" teams

milby is right, though...only the regional rankings really matter, and i don't think cnu will jump shenandoah AND salisbury

i think shenandoah's record, regardless of what teams they've played, is strong enough...although i think the monarchs are a better team :) (and they proved it head-to-head and over the course of a usasac season)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 27, 2009, 02:21:08 PM
I know regional record is just as important as conference but why would we want the team that had a .500 record in the conference and had a 3-6 record against the teams that finished ahead of them in the conference.  
Conference play is all about your best against the other teams best and well if we look at it like that then SU's best was not as good as the elite teams in the conference not to knock on the season that they had but I still think they do not measure up against top quality teams.  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 27, 2009, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: narch on April 26, 2009, 10:22:45 PM
great weekend for the captains...

Think a split with Salisbury and a sweep of York is good enough to get invited to the dance?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 27, 2009, 04:27:35 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on April 27, 2009, 01:58:25 PM
York is the most northern team in the south region.  They are in PA.  Even through they are in PA they played or are playing 32 games against true south region teams and 8 against teams in 200 mile radius.

SU has played 16 games against teams not in the "south region" and went 15-1 against those teams.

No wonder SU is leaving the USA-South and joining a PA conference.


That South-Region is kinda of setup weird with York, PA being in there ... 21 games from 6 teams of the York's "True South Region" 31 games are "conference games" and 5 of the remaining 10 they picked up in spring break trip?

USA-South only had 1 team get their 12 conference games in which was NCW, everyone else only got 10 conference games that are "True South Region".

So York had 11 more "True South Region" games based just on "conference games" only, so one would think that would explain a good portion of the variance between 31 games for York and 26 games for SU.


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   - Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 27, 2009, 06:10:18 PM
To set the record straight, Shenandoah is "(27-7) in-region" and 19-7 within the "South Region" which makes them 8-0 outside of the south region but within the "in-region" guidelines set by NCAA.

Bottom line folks ... (27-7) "in-region" no matter how you try to tear it apart.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 27, 2009, 08:30:04 PM
take bias out of this and would you really want the 4th best team in the USAC conference with a 3-6 against the 3 teams above them to represent the conference in regionals.   bloated regional record aside do you really think they are deserving.  If so I can back that.
Trust me I want more than one team to be in the regional from our conference but I would rather have MU or CNU represent the USAC. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 27, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 27, 2009, 08:30:04 PM
take bias out of this and would you really want the 4th best team in the USAC conference with a 3-6 against the 3 teams above them to represent the conference in regionals.   bloated regional record aside do you really think they are deserving.  If so I can back that.
Trust me I want more than one team to be in the regional from our conference but I would rather have MU or CNU represent the USAC. 

SU actually "tied" for 3rd with 5-5 record with CNU and the tie-breaker procedure put them in 4th.  EVERY USA-South team had an equal opportunity of winning the Conference tourney and SU was in the championship game taking on NCW.  Unfortunately, MU was eliminated on Day 2 by going 0-2 and CNU was eliminated on Day 3 by going 2-2.

There is a lot of parity within the USA-South.   By looking at the regular season standings, how can anyone determine who were the dominant team(s) ?  One game separated the teams tied for 3rd with 2nd and it was just 1 game in the loss column with 1st place.  Also 1 game separated the teams tied for 5th.

SU is very much deserving with their "in-region" record by the rules.  With a little luck, they could of split with MU and could have swept CNU which would have given them #1 seed in regular season at 7-3.  It was that close and if they were not deserving, then why are they even being ranked? 

I think some folks are having a difficult time digesting that Shenandoah University is a program that has risen from the basement of the USA-South and looks to be a competitive program on a annual basis.



1.   8-4 N.C. Wesleyan   
2.   6-4 Methodist   
3.   5-5 Christopher Newport   
4.   5-5 Shenandoah   
5.   4-6 Greensboro   
6.   4-6 Ferrum   
7.   4-6 Averett   






Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC on April 27, 2009, 10:03:48 PM
get a job

all it takes is one game more than your opponent.  If they are that good they should have won the conf.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on April 27, 2009, 10:10:28 PM
Quote from: NCWC on April 27, 2009, 10:03:48 PM
get a job


Sorry cowboy, but "Catfishncwc" asked me of my opinion and I am sorry you did not like what I had to say.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 27, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 27, 2009, 04:21:40 PMThink a split with Salisbury and a sweep of York is good enough to get invited to the dance?
yes i do...

milby...su has had a fantastic year...sit back and enjoy the fact that your hornets will continue playing in the regionals (most likely)

i agree that a little luck could have propelled the hornets to a win against mu and a sweep of cnu...i would add that ONE PLAY against ncwc could have given the monarchs the outright regular season usasac title and a shot at 30 wins...as you say, there is a fine line between the top 4 usasac teams (and the bottom half of the usasac is as good as the top half of some leagues...i think ferrum, au or gc could win the conference that frostburg plays in)

i think the more germane question is...can the usasac get 4 teams in the regional :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 27, 2009, 10:41:01 PM
I guess I have having a team deciding is SU the best team to get a at large or  the most deserving based on record.  I think they are probably deserving just not the best team.  I guess I am saying MU and CNU have better teams, just not the resume that SU put together. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 28, 2009, 07:10:52 AM
       Shenandoah had a school record-breaking season, what could be considered a "break out" season for the program, and they fought neck and neck with the rest of a strong USAS Conference. The conference is obviously well-balanced, and there are no gimmes. The NCAA invites are somewhat of a beauty contest, with committees doing the judging.  CNU, MU, and SU can all make their cases. Traditionally, playing a weaker schedule is not helpful when you get down to as close a call as may well be the case here. Was Shenandoah's nonconference schedule weak overall? Surely. No real knowlegeable baseball fan would look at it and say otherwise. It may well be that Shenandoah's geographic location dictates more games against what would normally be considered "northern schools", particularly Pennsylvania schools, and it's got to be a royal pain to be 3 hours from your closest conference school (CNU).  And you still have to win them. All three schools had a loss or two they'd love to re-play. Does Shenandoah deserve a bid?  In a perfect world, sure they do, but so do CNU and MU. But in a world where for whatever reason perhaps only one at large bid will go to the USAS, if any, then somebody has very tough decisions to make. 

  I hope the USAS gets three bids and CNU, MU, and Shenandoah all go dancing.  SU can argue their overall record, CNU can argue their overall record and their 5-1-1  against very strong nonconference foes Salisbury, York, Rowan, and Lynchburg, Methodist can argue their record and overall body of work, but in the end, the folks on the committee will decide, somehow, some way.

All three schools have had great seasons, and the statistics in the USAS this year were off the chart anyway.  I commend everyone for supporting their schools and sure hope that Milby can cut and paste or the man  has to have his fingers worn to  the nub by now. Not a thing wrong with supporting your guys, and let's keep it on a high and civilized plain as we approach decision day.

By the way, when IS decision day? I seem to recall last year they didn't announce the bids until 3-4 days before regionals began.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 28, 2009, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 28, 2009, 07:10:52 AM
   I hope the USAS gets three bids and CNU, MU, and Shenandoah all go dancing. ........

.....By the way, when IS decision day? I seem to recall last year they didn't announce the bids until 3-4 days before regionals began.   

With NC Wesleyan in already, your looking at four bids.   When the playoff pairings are announce on 10 May, I expect that Methodist stays home and a good chance that both Shenandoah and Christopher Newport are in. 

Shenandoah only added two more in-region wins since the last regional rankings and that should solidify their third place standing.  I doubt they move up enough to pass Salisbury or Millsapps.

Christopher Newport also did themselves a good turn with their 3-1 record since the USAS Tourney
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 05, 2009, 09:35:08 PM
the monarchs split with piedmont today...not sure if they'll play one more, or not...they were scheduled to play three monday and tuesday, but monday got rained out - they stand 27-13 right now...probably not enough to get a pool c bid, but a great season still
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 02:36:58 AM
Congratulations, CNU and Shenandoah on the Pool C bids!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on May 11, 2009, 06:37:14 AM
 8 teams in the south....  total surprise! All the talk was about Johns Hopkins in the Mid-Atlantic.  Never saw it coming.  Yes, congrats to CNU and Shenandoah.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 11, 2009, 09:01:30 AM
i'm happy to see 3 usasac teams!

South Regional
Arthur W. Perdue Stadium, Salisbury, Md.
1. Salisbury (37-6)
2. Shenandoah (28-6)
3. N.C. Wesleyan (27-19)
4. Christopher Newport (24-11-2)
5. Washington and Jefferson (33-12)
6. York (Pa.) (27-14)
7. Johns Hopkins (24-14)
8. Washington and Lee (22-13)

but i can't help but think that MU is more qualified than York (or Montclair in the mid-atlantic, for that matter)

MU and York had similar records (27-13 for MU vs. 27-14...and MU didn't have 6 games against galludet and st. mary's), played a number of common regional opponents (piedmont, catholic, greensboro, ncwc, cnu, ferrum and emory), as well as one common out-of-region opponent (montclair)

MU's record against those common opponents was 9-7, while york was 3-7...that's .563 vs. .300
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 09:17:52 AM
This may be the last year for York to be in Pool B.  I think that the Capital AC and the Landmark Conference earn Pool A status next season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 11, 2009, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 09:17:52 AM
This may be the last year for York to be in Pool B.  I think that the Capital AC and the Landmark Conference earn Pool A status next season.
this was a good year to be a pool B, i guess....

i'm not shocked that montclair got in, but they're a #3 seed, and the monarchs have a resume that is every bit as impressive, if you ask me...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg149.imageshack.us%2Fimg149%2F3725%2Fmucompare.jpg&hash=9facf3afa01e33fa4cf30c2af7e2637ff8390ba7)

i wonder what one or two more wins would have meant....anyway...good luck to su, ncwc and cnu...i'd love to see an all-usasac regional final
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on May 12, 2009, 10:21:44 PM
I think NCWC beats York hands down,
CNU also should get by W & J with not much problem,
Shenandoah and John Hopkins is best match up of day one.  If Angeloni throws for JHU, I think they beat SU...This is Shenandoah's first appearance at Regionals and none of their guys have any experience.

CNU and NCWC have guys with losts of Regioal experience...which I think can go a long ways.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 07:09:43 PM
Finals:

CNU 5, W&J 3
Salisbury 3, W&L 2
York PA 12, NCWC 1

JHU and Shenandoah at 7:45 pm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on May 13, 2009, 10:52:42 PM

2 runs 09 hits and 0 errors ... JHU
8 runs 14 hits and 4 errors ....Shenandoah

VanSickler goes 7IP, 2runs with 1ER and Davis goes final 2IP with 4KO's.

Angeloni goes 6.1IP, 12hits, 7runs with 7ER
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: narch on May 11, 2009, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2009, 09:17:52 AM
This may be the last year for York to be in Pool B.  I think that the Capital AC and the Landmark Conference earn Pool A status next season.
this was a good year to be a pool B, i guess....

i'm not shocked that montclair got in, but they're a #3 seed, and the monarchs have a resume that is every bit as impressive, if you ask me...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg149.imageshack.us%2Fimg149%2F3725%2Fmucompare.jpg&hash=9facf3afa01e33fa4cf30c2af7e2637ff8390ba7)

i wonder what one or two more wins would have meant....anyway...good luck to su, ncwc and cnu...i'd love to see an all-usasac regional final
Narch, is that table your work or a friend of yours?

I don't see "in-region" or OWP or OOWP.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 11:13:40 PM
Of course we in the ASC would say...

METHODIST!  WHY METHODIST!

They were only 1-2 vs the ASC!   :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 14, 2009, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 13, 2009, 11:12:07 PMNarch, is that table your work or a friend of yours?

I don't see "in-region" or OWP or OOWP.
my work...i didn't have time for all that other stuff (although OWP is in there...2nd line) :)

and the asc is a good league...the monarchs 1-2 record DID come against 3 teams near the top of their respective divisions, and includes a 13-0 blasting of the 3rd best team in the asc east (along with a an extra innings one-run loss to umhb)

looks like ncwc is going to have an early exit...moore and lucas both got hammered...i thought the bishops might have more fight in them...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 14, 2009, 09:47:20 PM
looks like i was right about montclair :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference - no respect
Post by: narch on May 15, 2009, 08:41:03 AM
man, the usasac gets no respect :)

the current poll on d3baseball.com asks:

Current Poll
Which conference with two teams left has the best chance of getting to Appleton?
CAC (Salisbury, York)
LEC (E. Conn, S. Maine)
NEWMAC (Babson, WPI)
NJAC (Kean, TCNJ)
OAC ('Berg, Marietta)
SCAC (Hendrix, Millsaps)
SCIAC (Cal Lu, P-P)
WIAC (UWSP, UWW)

the CAC is listed and both of those teams are playing elimination games today, while the usasac isn't, and they're the only teams in the regional without a loss...as a fan of the usasac, i feel a little like rodney dangerfield :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference - no respect
Post by: CNU85 on May 16, 2009, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: narch on May 15, 2009, 08:41:03 AM
man, the usasac gets no respect :)

the current poll on d3baseball.com asks:

Current Poll
Which conference with two teams left has the best chance of getting to Appleton?
CAC (Salisbury, York)
LEC (E. Conn, S. Maine)
NEWMAC (Babson, WPI)
NJAC (Kean, TCNJ)
OAC ('Berg, Marietta)
SCAC (Hendrix, Millsaps)
SCIAC (Cal Lu, P-P)
WIAC (UWSP, UWW)

the CAC is listed and both of those teams are playing elimination games today, while the usasac isn't, and they're the only teams in the regional without a loss...as a fan of the usasac, i feel a little like rodney dangerfield :)

HAHA...Narch.....Think York or Salisbury really care about the poll when they went home last yesterday?

Looks like SU is in really great shape right now.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 16, 2009, 03:40:48 PM
Looks like CNU needs a miracle. Down by 7 in the 9th to JHU. I don't think I can bring myself to cheer on SU. Looks like they have the best chance to head to Wisc. I will be surprised if they go far. But then again - they have been surprising people al season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on May 16, 2009, 03:51:15 PM
Yea, I'm sorry about CNU.  The last two pitchers managed to shut down Hopkins, but the damage was the done and the bats weren't happening.

Agree about SU.  But they have played with serious intensity in this series and are certainly in a great position to today.  Hopkins has got to be worn out.  But their starting pitcher did what it took on only a couple days rest.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vwgma10 on May 16, 2009, 09:18:53 PM
Hip Hip Hoorah for SU...they have been put down all season, but showed a lot of people that they can beat some really good teams...They have had a great season and I hope they can go far in the W series...Everyone in their conference and the odac conference should be rooting for them..
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on May 16, 2009, 09:27:32 PM
I am not sure how many folks except for the ones that have been involved with Shenandoah since 2004 know how much work has been put into this program to help make it successful.  It just goes to show that hard work with a commitment will eventually payoff and it has since Coach Anderson, Coach Smith, Coach Renegar, Coach Barden, Coach V, Coach Moore, (former players/coaches Coach Sborz, Coach Jenkins, Coach Dufrene) and Coach Miller and Coach Cameron over the last 6yrs. 

Lastly, when you have a team that is a "unit" vs. a team of individuals, the result is what Shenandoah University's baseball program did today in Salisbury, MD ... punched their ticket to Appleton with a 7-run bottom of the 8th inning over a very talented program in John Hopkins.

A very special group of young men led by a great coach and supporting staff!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 16, 2009, 10:10:11 PM
congrats to su...they've had a pretty special season, but going undefeated in the regioal is a nice little feather in the cap...great job and way to rep the usasac
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Tireman4 on May 18, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
Great job SU. You deserve this. Represent the USAC well at the World Series.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on May 18, 2009, 03:33:11 PM
Having played for one of the Power teams in the Dixie.  I think it is a good thing for some of the other schools to shine in this league.  It can be hard to get ahead in this league with CNU, Methodist and NCWC always on top. 
I know I was hardest on SU being a legit this year but they proved to be a truely legit team this year.  Also maybe I hold a grudge for them not recruiting me out of High School before I decided on a JUCO team.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 18, 2009, 04:22:24 PM
SU certainly could not ask for a better draw against Farmingdale State.

Getting a good draw is important. You have to win the first game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RSSmith on May 18, 2009, 09:10:11 PM
In four years of watching some pretty good DIII baseball (and with all due respect to my buddy, Ryan Kealy), I don't think I've seen a more talented closer than Shenandoah's Matt Davis.  He has great pop and even better movement.  Whoever wants to beat this team, better have a lead going into the late innings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 22, 2009, 02:46:59 PM
ABCA All- South Region USA-South Players

1st Team
SS Trae Bailey CNU
SS Brian Inghram Methodist
UT Greg Van Sickler Shenandoah

2nd Team
DH Cory Nelson Shenandoah
2B Brian Halpin Methodist
3B Zollie Woodlief NCWC

3rd Team
C Scott Lamber Shenandoah
C Dustin Proctor Methodist
3B Shawn Lovette Methodist
SS Jesse Henry Shenandoah
OF Luke Wiliford NCWC
OF Brad Davis Methodist
OF Kevin Brashears Shenandoah
P Ben Moore NCWC
P Alex Phetteplace Greensboro

Congrats to all the USA South Players!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on May 23, 2009, 11:18:57 AM
Shenandoah (12) Farmingdale State (2)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 25, 2009, 08:12:32 AM
congrats to su on a fantastic season!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on May 25, 2009, 08:52:52 AM
Congratulations to Shenandoah on a wonderful season!   While I still feel they played a weak regular season nonconference schedule, it was pointed out to me, correctly, that it's easier for them to schedule more northern teams, many from Pennsylvania and Jersey, with shorter drive times, than to get games scheduled with more southern teams.  It makes geographic sense.      No matter who the heck they played, Shenandoah put together one wonderful ride, they beat the big dogs when they played them, and they deserve the accolades they're receiving.  The Hornets developed a great ability to feed off of each other's success and it carried them a long ways. Nice job Hornets!


Now, about this CSAC, Colonial States Athletic Conference, that already has Shenandoah's logo on their website (www.csacsports.org), does this really mean anything?    Shenandoah is listed as an "associate member" and appears to play Men's Lacrosse in the CSAC.        The rumor mill seems to know they'd like to go somewhere else as USA South, a solid conference to be sure, involves a lot of lengthy travel from Winchester.    Anybody know anything truly factual?   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on May 25, 2009, 10:52:04 AM
Men's Lacrosse has been a member of the CSAC for a couple of years.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 26, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Quote from: hokieone on May 25, 2009, 08:52:52 AMAnybody know anything truly factual?   
my sources say that su will leave the usasac for sure...not sure of what the usasac will do (gsac/usasac merger rumors are flying around), but i'm 97.2% certain that su is gone from the usasac in the next couple of years...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on May 27, 2009, 09:26:58 AM
So they win one Regional baseball title and they ready to bolt.  Hope they stay but I can see where it would make sense for them to look for another conference. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on May 27, 2009, 03:41:50 PM
   If the Hornets take their Regional/World Series rings and bolt, I'm told on good authority that the USAS would have  two years to replace them to keep the Automatic Pool A bid. I understand the horrid travel distances they have but as we live 18 miles from Shenandoah, we really enjoy it when SU plays CNU at Winchester. It has become a true rivalry, at least in baseball, so lets hope they keep playing each other, either way.  Maybe USAS will add some warmer spring weather folks located a bit further south than Winchester.     The "word on the street" is that Shenandoah's academic side is in for a boost, pushing things to a higher level. CNU's   increase in admission standards in recent years has made it harder to get some athletes in several sports. Without a GPA over 3.0 and preferably close to 3.5, and SAT's of at least 1100 and preferably close to 1200, admission isn't a given.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: hokieone on May 27, 2009, 03:41:50 PM
   If the Hornets take their Regional/World Series rings and bolt, I'm told on good authority that the USAS would have  two years to replace them to keep the Automatic Pool A bid. I understand the horrid travel distances they have but as we live 18 miles from Shenandoah, we really enjoy it when SU plays CNU at Winchester. It has become a true rivalry, at least in baseball, so lets hope they keep playing each other, either way.  Maybe USAS will add some warmer spring weather folks located a bit further south than Winchester.     The "word on the street" is that Shenandoah's academic side is in for a boost, pushing things to a higher level. CNU's   increase in admission standards in recent years has made it harder to get some athletes in several sports. Without a GPA over 3.0 and preferably close to 3.5, and SAT's of at least 1100 and preferably close to 1200, admission isn't a given.   
You are correct.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on May 30, 2009, 06:43:57 PM
I understand that Shenandoah will remain in the USA-South for at least 1 more year, after that, it's has to find a home with football moving into the ODAC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 18, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
an article about a monarch recruit...his high school coach is a legendary former monarch, brian ford...

http://www.theherald-nc.com/sports/story/10672.html (http://www.theherald-nc.com/sports/story/10672.html)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on July 18, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
SU confirms search for new conferences
Fitzsimmons also says college will begin search for athletic director soon

By Robert Niedzwiecki
The Winchester Star
http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=5&foldername=20090718&file=su_article.html (http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=5&foldername=20090718&file=su_article.html)


SU exceeds $65 million funding goal
By Rob Snyder
The Winchester Star
http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20090718&file=goal_article.html (http://www.winchesterstar.com/showarticle_new.php?sID=6&foldername=20090718&file=goal_article.html)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on July 28, 2009, 08:05:35 AM
It will be a shame to see Shenandoah move out of the USA SOUTH.  I have grown this past year to admire their style of baseball and was hoping to see them challenging CNU, NC Wesleyan and Methodist every year for the Conference crown. 

I do not understand much why USAS would be joining with GSAC.  Travel down in Georgia, Tennessee and Alabama will be tough on the kids.  I do like the competition of bringing in a team like La Grange and Piedmont into the conference though...two very good programs.


http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090528/SPORTS/305289987
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on July 28, 2009, 11:22:41 PM
SU adds 19 for 2010 spring season.  

Biggest recruit that I see and know of from this neck of the woods in the Shenandoah Valley, is Daniel Hawkins from Woodstock, VA who was given a scholarship to WVU last year.  Hawkins throws it up there in the upper 80's.  Getting Daniel Hawkins was huge for SU.

Ryan Altamirano RHP Fr R/R   Ashburn, Va./Broad Run
Wallace Andrus P/3B Fr R/R 5'11" 200 Crimora, Va./Wilson Memorial
Scott Belton P Fr R/R   Luray, Va./Grace
Jonathan Best P/OF Fr S/L 5"9' 175 Chesapeake, Va./Grassfield
Tucker Brown C So R/R 5'11" 200 Newport News, Va./Menchville
Will Burton 1B/P Fr R/R 6'4" 220 Mechanicsville, Va./Lee-Davis
Wyatt Carpenter LHP Fr L/L 6'0" 155 Alexandria, Va./Wakefield
Vince Claudio P/1B Fr L/L 6'0" 190 Forest, Va./Jefferson Forest
Brian Fritzinger RHP Fr R/R   Hampton, Va./Hampton Christian
Daniel Hawkins RHP Fr R/R 6'4" 185 Woodstock, Va./Central
Ethan Jones C Fr R/R 6'1" 200 Gordonsville, Va./Homeschool
Kurt Krout UTIL Fr R/R 5'9" 165 York, Pa./York Central
Hunter Leight IF Fr R/R 5'11" 175 Winchester, Va./James Wood
Nicholas McMahon OF/P Fr R/R 6'2" 175 Warrenton, Va./Fauquier
Sean Morris OF So L/R 5'9" 175 Sinking Spring, Pa./SUNY Orange
Eric Rhodes OF Fr L/R 5'6" 150 Katonah, N.Y./John Jay
Mike Smith RHP/OF Jr R/R 5'10" 175 Chesapeake, Va./Potomac State
Leland Snaider C Jr R/R 5'10" 170 New York, N.Y./Queensborough CC
Steven Walker RHP Fr R/R 6'2" 180 Lewes, Del./Cape Henlopen
Alexander Woods OF Fr R/R 5'11" 168 Newark, Del./St. Mark's
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on July 29, 2009, 06:02:37 AM
They bring in 20 guys to replace the 4-5 that graduated?  Somebody is going to be surprised by some serious pine time.

Shenandoah's on line roster now lists 60 players, including the guys listed by Coach Milburn.

Shenandoah's 2010 Schedule is up as well. It looks a lot like the 2009 schedule, but I'll save my wise cracks about being made in a bakery (cup cakes, get it?), as they sure had a great year last year so you can't argue with success. Speaking of SU, congrats to Brashears and Van Sickler on being named to 2009 All State Academic team, covering all sports, D I, II, and III.   

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on July 29, 2009, 09:35:24 AM
SU has a full-fledged JV program and there will be no surprises, other than Mr. Daniel Hawkins toeing the rubber for SU in the spring.  I look for him to be able to fill Josh Simmons spot as a weekend starter.

A quote in the paper from Daniel's summer league coach in the RCBL:
"He's a big, hard thrower coming off of Tommy John surgery, so that's why he's having slight control problems," Barnes said. "When he throws strikes, he's unhittable. He's got that sinker, and it's a heavy ball, it feels like you're hitting a rock when you hit it. We've just gotta get his mechanics back and get him pumping strikes the way he did when he was coming out of high school."

Last I read, Hawkins was leading the RCBL league with an opponents batting average just under a .120 clip.

Two other pitchers from SU have gotten alot of quality mound time in the RCBL Ben Hendrickson and Matt Griffin.  Both Daniel and Ben have given the Clover Hill Bucks (the NY Yankees of the RCBL) all they can handle.

The Pitching continues to improve for SU.

Lastly, everyone on the roster will have an equal opportunity to win a starting positing starting every fall.  That's pretty darn fair.  Obviously, these 19 recruits must of wanted to come to Shenandoah University OR their name would not be on this list and nobody is making these kids stay at SU.

There's a lot more than just baseball going on with that program, Coach Anderson and his staff is producing quality young men ready to be productive citizens.  Last year's team had an overall GPA of (3.0).

The baseball program, along with softball are the most successfull programs at SU and women's basketball is on the rise.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on July 29, 2009, 10:04:13 AM
Easy coach, no offense intended, but 20 new players are 20 new players any way you slice it. And I'm very familiar with Daniel, a fine young man, and wish him all the best except of course against CNU.  There are  D III schools known for doing "cattle call" tryouts, at least one in Virginia,  bringing in tons more than 20 kids, all thinking they were "recruited", only to show up and see 6 kids going for the same spot. I've never heard Shenandoah does any such thing.    As for the "equal opportunity", I'm sure Coach Anderson is a fair man, and everybody will get a shot,  but SU has some excellent returning starters that surely won't be sitting on the bench come spring, so while there may be fair treatment of all, some starting spots are pretty much locks. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on July 29, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
Why would Daniel Hawkens choose SU over WVU?

Also, just a proofreading tendency: I am pretty certain Wyatt Carpenter comes out of Mt. Vernon HS, not Wakefield.

Matt Griffin and Ben Hendrickson are both talented players.  Yet they are both rising juniors and have very few varsity innings in yet.  JV program or no, these guys probably would have had more varsity playing time at a school with fewer than 60 guys on the roster.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on July 29, 2009, 07:21:19 PM
Daniel is a great kid but a true country boy, loving hunting, fishing, and the Shenandoah Valley. WVU didn't have much of a rehab plan in place for him when he got there following summer Tommy John surgery, and there was likely some home sickness. WVU has about 10 times the population of his hometown.  He was only there briefly and quickly withdrew from his classes even before the end of add/drop so it's as if he was never  there academically.  Shenandoah is the closest school to his home on the family farm outside of Woodstock, Virginia.  He's a fine young man, very quiet, and  throws some pretty impressive heat. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on July 29, 2009, 08:26:09 PM
Well he sounds like a great addition to the Shenandoah pitching staff.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on July 30, 2009, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: hokieone on July 29, 2009, 10:04:13 AM
Easy coach, no offense intended.

No "hokieone", I did not take offense but I wanted to make sure others did not read into your post from a negative manner against SU.  But, I did want to share some of my insight that I am aware of on how things operate with that program since I spent a year there.

Coach Anderson runs his program as it if was a D1 program in a first class manner.  I know that the administrators at SU have received several letters from various hotel managers informing the admin folks on how well the baseball team conducted themselves at their place of stay.  

Lastly, the inter-competition is very competitive and very much healthy which makes it better for everyone involved in the SU program.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on July 30, 2009, 09:07:29 PM
Not much different than Virginia Wesleyan, who keeps about 48-50 players in their roster and DOES NOT have a JV program.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on July 31, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
The article about the GSAC/USASAC merger has not ginned up a lot of discussion.  This seems like a huge deal for those of us with kids playing in the USASAC.  Losing SU seems like a done deal.  Bad for the competition level and dropping us out of Pool A status.  This merger seems to solve that, but I'm less well versed about the relative strength of the GSAC teams to the USASAC teams.  I would guess (in a wholly uneducated manner) that the USASAC getting 3 teams into the south region and the GSAC getting none, might be indicative of the relative strength of the two conferences.  I also wonder if I will be making spring trips to places like AL and GA soon instead of Texas Tyler.  If there is a merger, I would certainly see a great deal of effort placed on getting some games in with those team in spite of the long travel.   What other issues may come into play if this merger happens?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on August 05, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
WOW, this will have to generate some interest at the 11th hour ... wonder if its a last ditch effort?

Greensboro College puts up campus to back loan
http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/07/17/article/greensboro_college_puts_up_campus_to_back_loan



Greensboro College to Offer Free Tuition
http://www.nsns.org/news/greensboro-college-to-offer-free-tuition



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 05, 2009, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on July 31, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
The article about the GSAC/USASAC merger has not ginned up a lot of discussion.  This seems like a huge deal for those of us with kids playing in the USASAC.  Losing SU seems like a done deal.  Bad for the competition level and dropping us out of Pool A status.  This merger seems to solve that, but I'm less well versed about the relative strength of the GSAC teams to the USASAC teams.  I would guess (in a wholly uneducated manner) that the USASAC getting 3 teams into the south region and the GSAC getting none, might be indicative of the relative strength of the two conferences.  I also wonder if I will be making spring trips to places like AL and GA soon instead of Texas Tyler.  If there is a merger, I would certainly see a great deal of effort placed on getting some games in with those team in spite of the long travel.   What other issues may come into play if this merger happens?
Welcome NoVaBaseball

The GSAC was in Pool B.  Pool B is tough, especially making a schedule that can get you into Pool B consideration.

Texas-Tyler is not an in-region game in baseball, so that game is up to the coach's discretion.  He must have wanted a quality opponent which would not impact the in-region rankings.  Marietta comes thru Texas every spring to do the same thing.

As for the GSAC, they are a good league.  They won't hurt the USASAC.

Getting two Pool C bids was fortuitous in that NCWC did not knock out the second Pool C team in the considerations.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on August 08, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
Thanks Ralph.  Sounds like the GSAC merger may be a good move for the USASAC.   It should help the USAS teams get some more quality southern region games and it will get the GSAC teams a shot at a pool A bid.   Just hope the travel doesn't get too crazy. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on August 12, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
I have heard that Wesley College is appling for membership into the USA-South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 12, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
The Greensboro News & Record has reported the resignation of Pride baseball Head Coach Rick Carlyle.  Carlyle's accepted a position with the MBI Sports Agency in Greensboro.  He's had a successful 8-year run at Greensboro, including five straight 20+ win seasons and 26-15 in 2009.  I could be wrong, but I have to think part of this is related to salary issues at GC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on August 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Milby,
Wesley would be a great addition to the USA SOUTH.  They have had some very good teams the last few years and are very well coached.  That move would leave the CAC pretty thin, since I think Gallaudet is moving to another conference as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 13, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on August 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Milby,
Wesley would be a great addition to the USA SOUTH.  They have had some very good teams the last few years and are very well coached.  That move would leave the CAC pretty thin, since I think Gallaudet is moving to another conference as well.

That only makes sense for football.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 13, 2009, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 13, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on August 13, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Milby,
Wesley would be a great addition to the USA SOUTH.  They have had some very good teams the last few years and are very well coached.  That move would leave the CAC pretty thin, since I think Gallaudet is moving to another conference as well.

That only makes sense for football.
I agree.  Four or five trips per year to VA-NC-TN is one thing ... eighty long road trips per year for all sports is quite another!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on August 22, 2009, 03:11:51 PM
Sources very close to Greensboro College baseball tell me that the new baseball coach will not be announced until September 15th.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Louie on August 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
any thoughts on who the next greensboro coach will be? Is it expected to be one of their current assistants or someone completely new to the program?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on August 25, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
With the Fall Semester here, any word on any new recruits being brought in at NCWC?  With the lost 8 seniors including impact players such as P Ben Moore, P John Lucas, OF Luke Williford, 3B Zoolie Woodlief and C Justin Batts just wondering who coach Long is bringing in to replace those players.  C and 3B will be tough spots to fill.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 25, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
http://cnusports.com/news/2009/8/24/BB_0824095504.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2009/8/24/BB_0824095504.aspx)

Bailey signs pro contract
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on August 25, 2009, 05:23:36 PM
Glad to hear the news about Trae Bailey.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on August 26, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
Do to see another USA South guy getting a shot at Pro Ball. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on August 27, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
From what I'm hearing, NCWC has good size recruiting class coming in, with some big strong looking position players. I know of 2 catchers, one from New Jersey who looks to be big strong and the real deal. Also know of help for the infield and outfield. Not heard about pitching yet, IMO the strongest facet of team already but can always add depth there especially in pen. We won't really know the quality of incoming class until fall workouts starts in late Sept.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on August 27, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
Nice, I spoke to my son today and he told me the incoming class has 19 freshman.  I know coach Jones and Coach Long don't over recruit so we'll see how many they end up keeping in Sept.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on August 28, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: Milby on July 28, 2009, 11:22:41 PM
SU adds 19 for 2010 spring season.  

Biggest recruit that I see and know of from this neck of the woods in the Shenandoah Valley, is Daniel Hawkins from Woodstock, VA who was given a scholarship to WVU last year.  Hawkins throws it up there in the upper 80's.  Getting Daniel Hawkins was huge for SU.

Ryan Altamirano RHP Fr R/R   Ashburn, Va./Broad Run
Wallace Andrus P/3B Fr R/R 5'11" 200 Crimora, Va./Wilson Memorial
Scott Belton P Fr R/R   Luray, Va./Grace
Jonathan Best P/OF Fr S/L 5"9' 175 Chesapeake, Va./Grassfield
Tucker Brown C So R/R 5'11" 200 Newport News, Va./Menchville
Will Burton 1B/P Fr R/R 6'4" 220 Mechanicsville, Va./Lee-Davis
Wyatt Carpenter LHP Fr L/L 6'0" 155 Alexandria, Va./Wakefield
Vince Claudio P/1B Fr L/L 6'0" 190 Forest, Va./Jefferson Forest
Brian Fritzinger RHP Fr R/R   Hampton, Va./Hampton Christian
Daniel Hawkins RHP Fr R/R 6'4" 185 Woodstock, Va./Central
Ethan Jones C Fr R/R 6'1" 200 Gordonsville, Va./Homeschool
Kurt Krout UTIL Fr R/R 5'9" 165 York, Pa./York Central
Hunter Leight IF Fr R/R 5'11" 175 Winchester, Va./James Wood
Nicholas McMahon OF/P Fr R/R 6'2" 175 Warrenton, Va./Fauquier
Sean Morris OF So L/R 5'9" 175 Sinking Spring, Pa./SUNY Orange
Eric Rhodes OF Fr L/R 5'6" 150 Katonah, N.Y./John Jay
Mike Smith RHP/OF Jr R/R 5'10" 175 Chesapeake, Va./Potomac State
Leland Snaider C Jr R/R 5'10" 170 New York, N.Y./Queensborough CC
Steven Walker RHP Fr R/R 6'2" 180 Lewes, Del./Cape Henlopen
Alexander Woods OF Fr R/R 5'11" 168 Newark, Del./St. Mark's


Daniel Hawkins is NOT enrolled at SU for the Fall semester.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on August 28, 2009, 12:39:42 AM
Looks like the new revised list on the roster is 15 new players ...

Wallace Andrus P/3B Fr R/R 5'11" 200 Crimora, Va./Wilson Memorial
Jonathan Best P/OF Fr S/L 5"9' 175 Chesapeake, Va./Grassfield
Will Burton P/1B Fr R/R 6'4 220 Mechanicsville, Va./Lee-Davis
Kyle Canody 2B Fr R/R 5'9" 160 Charlottesville, Va./Miller School
Wyatt Carpenter LHP Fr L/L 6'0" 155 Alexandria, Va./Mount Vernon
Vince Claudio P/1B Fr L/L 6'0" 190 Forest, Va./Jefferson Forest
Kurt Krout UTIL Fr R/R 5'9" 165 York, Pa./York Central
Hunter Leight IF Fr R/R 5'11" 175 Winchester, Va./James Wood
Nicholas McMahon OF/P Fr R/R 6'2" 175 Warrenton, Va./Fauquier
Sean Morris OF So L/R 5'9" 175 Sinking Spring, Pa./SUNY Orange
Eric Rhodes OF Fr L/R 5'6" 150 Katonah, N.Y./John Jay
Cody Smallwood UTIL Fr R/R 5'10" 160 Stephens City, Va./Sherando
Mike Smith RHP/OF Jr R/R 5'10" 175 Chesapeake, Va./Potomac State
Steven Walker RHP Fr R/R 6'2" 180 Lewes, Del./Cape Henlopen
Alexander Woods OF Fr R/R 5'11" 168 Newark, Del./St. Mark's
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on August 30, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
NCWC tentative 2010 schedule is up. Looks like Coach Long plans on playing a tough schedule again to prepare the Bishops for end of the year run like they did last year. Good looking schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on September 07, 2009, 12:44:51 PM
Anyone interested in posting their pre-season picks for the USA South?  Since fall practice starts tomorrow, I thought I'd throw out a topic on which everyone can have an opinion.  I was only able to see about 10 games last year and didn't get to see all of the teams.   I'll have to rate some of them off last year's stats, so be gentle in your criticism.

1)  Shenandoah (trip to WS and lots of talent returning makes them even tougher)
2)  Methodist (Returns most of starting lineup and rotation)
3)  NCWC (Last year's reg season and tourney winner - lost some offense and pitching talent though)
4)  CNU (Regional run will help young players - lost a lot of offense - pitching is a question mark)
6)  Greensboro (Veteran team should improve - coaching situation - huge recruiting class = uncertainty)
7)  Ferrum (Rotation returns but must improve - only lost 1 starter offense should improve this year)
8)  Averett (Good offense - weak pitching needs to improve)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on September 08, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
Not a good sign, the first fall practice at CNU canceled due to heavy rain. Hard to do any predicting until we see how the transfers and freshmen look. It will be hard to replace the group of seniors that moved on, they had talent and good team chemistry, but a lot of underclassmen got a lot of good experience last season, and two consecutive Regional appearances should be the baseline for measuring 2010 performance. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on September 09, 2009, 08:49:30 AM
HokieOne: are there some transfers at CNU this fall? Any details?  A few of those freshman really did get some serious playing time last year and produced pretty nicely.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on September 10, 2009, 02:05:35 PM
     Three transfers, but as I haven't seen any scrimmages yet (heck, they haven't practiced yet due to rain...), no idea as to how anybody looks.  Most of the pitching will be familiar faces, with the addition of a re-habbed arm or two that didn't throw last year. I understand CNU's #1, Josh Brinkman, worked really hard this summer and was pumping it in there pretty well by summer's end. If he throws what I was hearing, he'll be a pro prospect. Unlike Kenny Moreland, who was amazingly overlooked in the draft and is now doing well for the Frederick Keys (Orioles High A), Brinkman has the height the scouts like to see.  I saw Kenny pitch at Frederick  this summer and his control is just pinpoint, with the same bulldog mentality he had at CNU.  I'd never bet against him in anything.   
Title: Another USA South Signs Pro Contract
Post by: hobie on September 10, 2009, 05:38:14 PM
Jesse Fuller SS out of Ferrum College, sign contract with Sussex Skyhawks of the Can-AM Association on Aug.12.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on September 26, 2009, 02:45:03 AM
Matt Aker Hired as Pride Baseball Coach

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9/4/2009 11:26:34 AM
Matt Aker has been named head baseball coach at Greensboro College, announced Pride Athletics Director Jean Lojko.

Aker completed his sixth year in the 2009 season as a GC assistant coach.  He has served as the hitting, outfield, and base-running coach for The Pride. The son of former major league pitcher and coach Jack Aker, he pitched at Ole Miss and graduated in 1993.

"We are very excited that Matt Aker will lead our baseball program," said Lojko. "Matt is an outstanding person who we believe will lead Pride baseball to a championship. He is familiar with the players, the program and the USA South Conference and has great interpersonal skills. Matt will be a great addition as a full-time athletics staff member."

As an assistant at GC Aker has been part of much GC success. In 2006, The Pride reached the USA South championship game for the first time since 1998 and defeated eight ranked teams during the season. GC set a program record with seven all-conference honorees, including five first team selections.

Under his guidance, Pride hitters have hit over .300 as a team for six consecutive seasons, while leading the USA South in at least one offensive category in each of those years. The Pride has led or come in second in 23 top offensive categories over the past four seasons.

While at Ole Miss, he was primarily a pitcher, but also saw time in the outfield and at third base.  Aker was an assistant at Ole Miss in 1993 and a high school head coach at Magnolia Heights in Senatobia, Miss. and Chaminade-Madonna in Hollywood, Fla. for ten seasons before coming to Greensboro.

Aker attended Palm Beach Community College for his two college seasons. He was the PBCC Scholar Athlete of the Year and made the Dean's List each semester. Aker earned all conference honors and was picked to play in the Florida Junior College All Star Game.

As a head coach, Aker's high school teams won seven consecutive conference titles and he was named Coach of the Year six consecutive years. He coached the North State All Star team twice while in Mississippi. He had numerous players go on to college baseball careers and three players taken in the Major League Baseball Players Draft. Aker also served as a assistant varsity football coach.

Aker becomes the third head coach in program history. He follows Scott Rash and Ken Carlyle. Rash started the program in 1993. Carlyle then took over in 2003 before resigning last month.

In addition to coaching at GC, Aker worked since 2004 as the technology facilitator at Greensboro Academy.

Aker and his wife, Keisha have three children: Mallory, Cole, and Blaine. They reside in Kernersville.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on October 01, 2009, 09:05:14 PM
Heard from my son last night and he seemed pretty optimistic about CNU's team this spring.  He felt the transfers were doing well and would definitely provide some depth in the batting order.  Bailey was a huge stick to replace, but he feels that top to bottom the offense should improve.   Brinkman remains the Ace but Jenkins is looking good, Chitzas appears to be returning to his pre-Tommy John form and McElhenny apparently had a very solid summer in the CGL - good news for the rotation.  The bullpen appears solid. 

I realize it's the fall and I'm sure several of the USASAC teams have reloaded too, but its good to hear some optimism coming from CNU after losing so much talent to graduation. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on October 02, 2009, 05:46:42 AM
 Chitzas has looked good in the weekend scrimmages but I dread it if he throws regularly-there's no way to properly say his last name. Heck, I asked him how to pronounce it, hopeful of an inflection tip that would allow me to say his last name out loud, but hearing him say it wasn't helpful. :)

Fall scrimmages conclude Sunday at 1:00.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on October 02, 2009, 09:26:40 AM
Just go with "Sean"....

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on October 02, 2009, 11:11:00 AM
Great suggestion!  Works for me. Can't wait until the announcers say over the PA, " Now Pitching, uh...uh..uh."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on October 02, 2009, 03:56:37 PM
Even if his name gets botched a time or two, I hope he mows 'em down this year....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on October 05, 2009, 09:49:38 PM
How'd CNU look in the scrimmage this weekend?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on October 05, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
NCWC's first game of Best of 5, started with Gold team beating Blue 7-4.  Max Knowles, Kaleb Wassell pitched great and offense had timely hits.  19 transfers/freshmen out there today...most of them played very well...looks like pitching will be solid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on October 06, 2009, 09:21:13 AM
I heard game 1 was very good and I believe pitching will be solid. Looking for defense and sticks to reload key positions this year. Game 2 should start to give more insight on who is going to step up and start claiming these positions.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on October 06, 2009, 08:49:38 PM
Right Fielder for blue team wearing number 12 hit a bomb on bottom 8th to LF that has not landed yet.  Real huge body with a brace on the knee.  Swung the bat well.  Returners Rahm, and Zach Moore hit the ball well also.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on October 07, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
    NCWC brings in 19 frosh/transfers, Shenandoah brings in about the same number. Shenandoah fields a JV team which hopes to play around 20 games, not sure about NCWC.  At the other end of the scale, CNU brings in 10 freshmen/transfers, having lost about the same number off its roster to graduation, grades, or decisions not to play.  (Shenandoah and NCWC obviously lost some players to graduation, and perhaps other reasons as is normal in college baseball.) Greensboro, adding 19 new players, fields a JV program that had an 11 game schedule last spring, and traditionally has a huge roster, rivaling the size of some college football rosters.  Averett, Ferrum, and Methodist have on line rosters with 31-41 players, no info on newcomers. Methodist lists a 10 game JV schedule.

  So, is the trend in the USAS to bring in large numbers of players, funneling some off to JV squads? The conference is strong in baseball, top to bottom.  Certainly the quality of the coaching staffs is high throughout the conference.  The head coaches enjoy solid reputations.   Rosters are posted on line so recruits can surely see what they're coming into, but in a sport with little substitution except pitchers, it sure looks like an awful lot of players are not getting on the varsity field.  The Big time D-1's, ACC, SEC, PAC 10, etc seem  to be going in the direction of bringing in 15-20 (or more) new players every year, often blaming the pro draft as making them unsure as to what they'll actually get.  Some have brought  in as many as 25 new players annually. D III's don't have the draft problem, but since players receive no money and sign  no NLI, players can change their mind, literally, until the moment they step foot on the campus.

Are bigger rosters smart? Fair?   They sure seem to be here to stay.

   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2009, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: hokieone on October 07, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
    NCWC brings in 19 frosh/transfers, Shenandoah brings in about the same number. Shenandoah fields a JV team which hopes to play around 20 games, not sure about NCWC.  At the other end of the scale, CNU brings in 10 freshmen/transfers, having lost about the same number off its roster to graduation, grades, or decisions not to play.  (Shenandoah and NCWC obviously lost some players to graduation, and perhaps other reasons as is normal in college baseball.) Greensboro, adding 19 new players, fields a JV program that had an 11 game schedule last spring, and traditionally has a huge roster, rivaling the size of some college football rosters.  Averett, Ferrum, and Methodist have on line rosters with 31-41 players, no info on newcomers. Methodist lists a 10 game JV schedule.

  So, is the trend in the USAS to bring in large numbers of players, funneling some off to JV squads? The conference is strong in baseball, top to bottom.  Certainly the quality of the coaching staffs is high throughout the conference.  The head coaches enjoy solid reputations.   Rosters are posted on line so recruits can surely see what they're coming into, but in a sport with little substitution except pitchers, it sure looks like an awful lot of players are not getting on the varsity field.  The Big time D-1's, ACC, SEC, PAC 10, etc seem  to be going in the direction of bringing in 15-20 (or more) new players every year, often blaming the pro draft as making them unsure as to what they'll actually get.  Some have brought  in as many as 25 new players annually. D III's don't have the draft problem, but since players receive no money and sign  no NLI, players can change their mind, literally, until the moment they step foot on the campus.

Are bigger rosters smart? Fair?   They sure seem to be here to stay.

   

Smart and fair, especially if there is a JV to offer playing time to those players who are younger and need to develop.

The eligibility clock is ticking, regardless.  They are in D-III to concentrate on their grades while enjoying the discipline of baseball.  D-II is trying to concentrate on balance.  Is that a "knock" on scholarship intercollegiate athletics of the type at D-1?  I think so.

IMHO, that makes D-III so good as a format.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 07, 2009, 10:19:18 AM
Quote from: hokieone on October 07, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
    NCWC brings in 19 frosh/transfers, Shenandoah brings in about the same number. Shenandoah fields a JV team which hopes to play around 20 games, not sure about NCWC.  At the other end of the scale, CNU brings in 10 freshmen/transfers, having lost about the same number off its roster to graduation, grades, or decisions not to play.  (Shenandoah and NCWC obviously lost some players to graduation, and perhaps other reasons as is normal in college baseball.) Greensboro, adding 19 new players, fields a JV program that had an 11 game schedule last spring, and traditionally has a huge roster, rivaling the size of some college football rosters.  Averett, Ferrum, and Methodist have on line rosters with 31-41 players, no info on newcomers. Methodist lists a 10 game JV schedule.

  So, is the trend in the USAS to bring in large numbers of players, funneling some off to JV squads? The conference is strong in baseball, top to bottom.  Certainly the quality of the coaching staffs is high throughout the conference.  The head coaches enjoy solid reputations.   Rosters are posted on line so recruits can surely see what they're coming into, but in a sport with little substitution except pitchers, it sure looks like an awful lot of players are not getting on the varsity field.  The Big time D-1's, ACC, SEC, PAC 10, etc seem  to be going in the direction of bringing in 15-20 (or more) new players every year, often blaming the pro draft as making them unsure as to what they'll actually get.  Some have brought  in as many as 25 new players annually. D III's don't have the draft problem, but since players receive no money and sign  no NLI, players can change their mind, literally, until the moment they step foot on the campus.

Are bigger rosters smart? Fair?   They sure seem to be here to stay.

   

For one, if a college coach makes any promises or guarantees on playing time, then that recruit should request that to be documented and signed by both parties involved.  :)

What is so great about this country that we live, we have choices to make each and every day.  Recruits have choices to make, to attend a school or not.  So it's on the recruit and the family to decide where they should go to college and to have an opportunity to play college baseball in one of the toughest conference for DIII baseball.

I do not believe there is a perception where the coaches have a gun to the recruits head demanding them to come their respective school.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on October 07, 2009, 11:24:39 AM
Hokie,

Methodist usually has a small varsity roster.  They only have 26 players listed on their 2009 roster compared to 36 that CNU has listed.

MU also plays a 20 game JV schedule not a 10.  They play against some very good NC JUCO programs.  Many of the freshmen varsity players will play in JV games to get them AB's and innings pitched.

With little substitution like you said, this is a good way to develop players and keep them ready in case of injury.

With no letter of intent, coaches don't know if players are going to be their until the first day of classes.  That is why most D3 programs tend to over recruit.  Recruits need to be smart and look at rosters and ask the coaches what their role will be.

This thing boils down to private vs. public like always.  CNU, I think would have different recruiting strategies because of their academics and them not needing to field JV teams.

Most private D3 schools are tuition driven and need students to survive.  Most D3 Athletic Departments want JV programs to get more students.  This is just the way it is.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on October 07, 2009, 05:22:54 PM
Falcon,   you are correct about the academic standards. CNU's baseball recruits get admitted on the same basis as anyone else, and as their admissions standards seem to get stiffer ever year, I'm sure that's a problem for some potential recruits.  They aren't imposing anything like Ivy League standards, but SAT's under 1000 and GPA's under 3.0 are simply nonstarters.  The Princeton Review lists an average GPA for entering freshmen of 3.5 and SAT of 1100-1200.   The Daily Press had an article a year or so ago examining at length the difficulty of recruiting football and basketball players to CNU with the increased standards. I don't think baseball has quite the same issues-baseball players on the average seem to have better academics than the other two sports-but I know  there are kids they'd like to have had that couldn't get admitted.

Nevertheless, it is a darned good conference, with talent at every school, which makes those conference games just that more important. It would be nice if they could get in a few more conference games as it seems the tie-breakers come into play every year.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 07, 2009, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on October 07, 2009, 11:24:39 AM
Hokie,

Methodist usually has a small varsity roster.  They only have 26 players listed on their 2009 roster compared to 36 that CNU has listed.

MU also plays a 20 game JV schedule not a 10.  They play against some very good NC JUCO programs.  Many of the freshmen varsity players will play in JV games to get them AB's and innings pitched.

With little substitution like you said, this is a good way to develop players and keep them ready in case of injury.

With no letter of intent, coaches don't know if players are going to be their until the first day of classes.  That is why most D3 programs tend to over recruit.  Recruits need to be smart and look at rosters and ask the coaches what their role will be.

This thing boils down to private vs. public like always.  CNU, I think would have different recruiting strategies because of their academics and them not needing to field JV teams.

Most private D3 schools are tuition driven and need students to survive.  Most D3 Athletic Departments want JV programs to get more students.  This is just the way it is.


Falcon2720, your comment was right on time for me as I shared it with an e-mail trying to shed sunlight on the my concern with "SU Baseball Friends" on getting adequate funding for the baseball program.  Thank You!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on October 08, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
No problem Milby.

Hokie,

2006 was the last year the conference had 3 game series.  This created less tie-breakers as there were 18 conference games as opposed to the 12 conference games they have now.  The problem with the 18 game conference slate was the USA-South teams were losing mid-week region games.  In a 3 (9 inning) game series, teams use up alot of pitching.

Most USA-South teams play ODAC or CAC teams mid-week.  This created bad pitching match-ups with ODAC and CAC teams throwing their #3 pitcher vs. a # 5 or # 6 from a USA-South team.

This resulted in only 1 USA-South team making the regional in 2004, 2005, 2006.  The only USA-South team to make the regional were the tournament winners.  It was very difficult for USA-South teams to get an at-large bid.

For regional selection, south in-region games are just as important as conference games.  CNU's game with VWC or HSC is just as important as their game with SU or NCWC.  In-region games are the only games that matter.

The 2 game conference slate seems to be working.  In 2007 MU received an at-large bid to the regional and in 2009 SU and CNU both received at-large bids to the regional.   With a 3 game series I'm not sure CNU or SU would have won as many in-region midweek games.


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 08, 2009, 11:49:33 AM
I see both (+) and (-) of the 3-game sets and understand clearly why USA-South coaches voted to go to a 2-game set.  They were beating each other up over the weekends.  Just think about this, if last year consisted of 3-game sets, do you think the USA-South would have qualified 3-teams for Regional play?

Wonder IF a DH consisting of two 7-inning games and one 9 game on Sunday would help.  The big advantage of a 3-game set is a built in tie-breaker.

Thoughts?




Sorry, Falcon2720 ... I just read completely what you stated and I basically repeated you.  There is no doubt that the 2-game set has been a positive for the overall well-being of the USA-South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on October 08, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
I knew the reasoning and agreed with it, but it just seems that every year since, we end up with tiebreakers. That's okay I guess because the regular season title means very little in the tournament scheduling. If they ever take the last 2 teams, and have a play in game, and have the #1 open by playing the winner, there would be an advantage.

And you're correct, it has worked, with more USAS teams have gone to regionals....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 21, 2009, 07:15:14 AM
Hey, it's NOT the $4.2million proposed propaganda drawing that Winchester Park-n-Rec threw out in the public's eye during the late summer of 2008 but it's a start.  Again, this is NOT the $4.2 million renovation project that was suppose to include a NEW press-box, new concession stand, new restrooms, new team rooms, new dugouts along with an A-Turf infield.

Still NO update on the pathetic infield which is about as safe as the infielders playing Russian roulette with the baseballs hit at them.  A Shortstop took a bullet in the nose during fall practice which resulted in a broken nose.  Really, the infield should be the #1 priority which has safety issues.

Where is my man "HokieOne", the master of fundraising for Strasburg Nation (God's country where things are purple) who got the money needed for the high school baseball infield $25k renovation done within a 2-hour period with just 5 phone calls!  How 'bout that.  Outstanding concept which I have yet to use!  It'll be my ace in the hole when I need to use it.


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9bx_n0xgI44%2FSsvGXqAhr0I%2FAAAAAAAAAA4%2FfRv9J3P7vfc%2Fs400%2FDSCF0028.JPG&hash=50e3f5c4da9ca230d466143991659459f6a06a73)



Bridgeforth Field getting a makeover

By David Selig
The Winchester Star

WINCHESTER — With the help of students from Handley High School, Bridgeforth Field is getting a makeover.

Renovations to the 31-year-old baseball field at Jim Barnett Park began early this month and will include a refurbished press box and improvements to both dugouts, said Mike White, operations superintendent for Winchester Parks and Recreation.

"It's a great opportunity, because it's good for the city and park and it helps build pride, because it's the home of the Judges," White said.

Handley's baseball team uses Bridgeforth Field for home games, as does the Shenandoah University baseball team and the Winchester Royals of the Valley League.

White said he got the idea to recruit Handley students when he read of their work on a recent Habitat for Humanity project.

Jimmy Robertson, who teaches two construction technology classes at Handley, said 24 students from his program will be involved.

"It's a win-win for everybody," Robertson said. "The students get to work in a real world scenario using materials that are used on a construction site, and the park obviously gets the work done."

Robertson said his students have already begun work on the dugouts, which will have their roofs replaced.

It's a rare opportunity for students to complete that sort of project, because roofs on top of buildings are too high to allow students on them, Robertson said.

White said Winchester-based DeHaven Home Improvement has been contracted to do the siding and window replacement of Bridgeforth's press box.

After that is complete, Handley's students will spend the winter gutting the inside, installing insulation, finishing the walls and putting in a new counter.

Robertson said the coach's office will also be renovated, and there will be two dressing rooms inside the box.

Robertson's students will also replace the steps and porch leading up to the press box, where an 8-by-8 foot deck will be constructed.

White said "an extensive amount of cleaning and painting" will also be done around the field, and the backstop wall and netting are planned to be replaced.

White said he expects the project to be complete by the time Shenandoah's baseball team plays its first home game Feb. 20. He added that Winchester Parks and Recreation is hopeful of making further improvements to Bridgeforth in the coming years — including replacing the lights — as long as funding allows.


dselig@winchesterstar.com



Click here to see the slideshow of pics taken on October 17, 2009:
http://s798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/THEPIBBSTER/BridgeforthField_RepairWork_Oct17_2009/?albumview=slideshow



Take a look at what it looked like back on June 30, 2008 :
http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/coachmilburn/Bridgeforth%20Field/?albumview=slideshow
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUbaseballfan on October 22, 2009, 09:07:47 AM
Glad to see Bridgeforth Field getting a makeover! Small steps for a team that deserves a better field!!!  I know the guys all work hard to make their field as  good as possible.I guess I can wait for the bathrooms to get real doors and not those darn shower curtains LOL!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on October 22, 2009, 11:11:51 AM
..and speaking for a visiting team's fans, how about if Frederick County turns the water back on a little earlier so the field can be watered and the bath rooms unlocked?  It would make the admission charge a little easier to swallow.  SU's players would surely benefit by getting the water turned back on a bit earlier.  :)     CNU visits in late March so I suspect the water will be on by then.     

The new press box looks nice.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 22, 2009, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: hokieone on October 22, 2009, 11:11:51 AM
..and speaking for a visiting team's fans, how about if Frederick County turns the water back on a little earlier so the field can be watered and the bath rooms unlocked?  It would make the admission charge a little easier to swallow.  SU's players would surely benefit by getting the water turned back on a bit earlier.  :)     CNU visits in late March so I suspect the water will be on by then.    

The new press box looks nice.

"Hokieone", Frederick County has nothing to do with water in Jim Barnett Park which is located in the City of Winchester.    ;D

Please contact Brad Veach or Mike White of WPRD with your concern of lack of water, not here on a D3 message board.  The more folks contact them, the better.

http://www.winchesterva.gov/contact/index.php?dept=parks (http://www.winchesterva.gov/contact/index.php?dept=parks)

Winchester Park-n-Rec thing about the water ... not until April 1st.  Looks like you'll be using the beautiful Johnny Blue again!  Nothing but the best for our friends from "purple" country!  You will not find a better Johnny Blue around my friend!  The rumor is that the stalls will be much bigger with a guy in their to hand you a clean towel as you wash your hands and even open the door so you do not have to touch that door handle.  How 'bout that for service!  ;D

Almost forgot "Hokieone", have you been drinking too much of that purple stuff?  What new press-box are you seeing cowboy???  The 31yr old one is getting some vinyl siding along with new windows and interior will be remodeled.  Again, I am NOT seeing a NEW press-box ... quit drinking that purple Jesus from the back woods of the 'burg!  :)


Quote from: SUbaseballfan on October 22, 2009, 09:07:47 AM
Glad to see Bridgeforth Field getting a makeover! Small steps for a team that deserves a better field!!!  I know the guys all work hard to make their field as  good as possible.I guess I can wait for the bathrooms to get real doors and not those darn shower curtains LOL!!

I could NOT agree any more, the SU Baseball program deserves better!  Really, what's wrong with the shower curtains?  Are they not the "in" thing?  But I have heard the story about an individual promising the baseball team a new facility within 2 years.  Well, that would be the spring of 2011.  With a statement like that being made, the perception is that something must be in the works?  



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on November 04, 2009, 06:34:15 AM
According to my son NCWC roster is out.  Coach keeping 32 players this year vice 27 from last year.  I don't think there is any talk of a JV squad so maybe just extra depth.  Schedule looks brutal in March with 21 games in 31 days.  Looks like they'll be carrying about 15-16 pitchers vice 11 last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on November 04, 2009, 01:11:59 PM
Follow-up for Bridgeforth Field work:

Just wanted to share with everyone after having a discussion with WPRD officials this morning and to bring closure to my concern about the playing surface at Bridgeforth Field ... please read below:

 

Mr. Brad Veach of WPRD is quoted: 
QuoteYes, we are looking at several options (regrade and sod vs artificial turf) for the infield and depending upon the direction we decide to take, some of the user groups may need to financially support our unified effort. Those specific details have not been worked out because there is a significant difference in price between the two options. It is premature to speculate which option we will take until we look at all the pros and cons (which we are doing right now) and then we will determine what resources the user groups can bring to the table. The park budgeted money to make improvements and the work by the HHS students and the volunteers in a few weeks will allow us to stretch those tax dollars to do more than we originally anticipated. We are keeping an open mind on all the options. We'll make a decision after we evaluate all of this. After the City determines what option is in our best interest, which will likely happen within the next week, we will procure the construction services necessary to implement our final decision. Time is against us so we will need to move quickly before the ground freezes. I'll have more info within a week.





Mr. Mike White of WPRD is quoted:
QuoteThere is a lot of research and pricing going into the infield process.  We are working with the Bridgeforth committee on the process and some of the user groups have expressed an interest in seeing if artificial turf is a viable option.  That option brings it's own set of unique challenges as well as some advantages.  So, at this point, we haven't determined the exact direction with regards to the infield as many variables will factor into the decision, the main one being funding.  At this point, I do feel confident in saying, one way or another we will have a new playing surface at the field for the upcoming season.


Regarding the company from Maryland, if we decide to re-grade the field, we have secured a company out of Remington, VA to do the work.  They have several ballfield maintenance contracts with other entities throughout Virginia and their bid price for their "plow, grind, and grade" service is $1.00 per sq/ft which includes resodding the field once they're done.  It will only take them about 10 days to do the work and part of the service includes a deep cultivation where they go down as deep as 8" to help give the infield some vertical drainage as well as regrading it to give it the proper amount of sheet drainage.  Once it's done, that should last anywhere between 6-8 years before it should be done again.  It's an outstanding price that no one has even come close to beating.  So far, their references check out and we're excited to move forward with them if that's the direction the committee and the park decide to go.  Given the time of year, as you previously mentioned, the calendar is definitely against us right now so we are hopeful to have a decision within the next few days.



Kudos to WPRD officials and Handley High school's Jimmy Roberston students in his carpentry class taking the lead here to get some much needed issues resolved at Bridgeforth Field.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 16, 2009, 07:23:46 AM
Practice starts in one month, opening day is just 7 weeks away! Can't wait!   

This should be another wild year in the USAS where nobody can be overlooked and truly any team can lose to any other team if they don't bring their A game.  Shenandoah certainly won't have the benefit of low pre-season expectations, and the traditional powers, which is just about everybody else, will be looking to re-assert themselves as such. Three teams in the NCAA Regionals, and of course one to  the DIII CWS last year, shows just how strong the conference is, and a couple more schools were on the cusp, a couple games away from getting in.    Let's hope we all get a late winter and early spring full of good weather for Christmas.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 17, 2009, 05:56:00 PM
I really think just looking at some teams 2010 rosters that Shenandoah will be the number 1 preseason favorite to win with I would say Methodist and NCWC fighting for the Second spot.
Title: Pre-season poll out
Post by: NoVa Baseball on December 21, 2009, 10:00:51 PM
Shenandoah just published the 2010 pre-season poll on their website.  And with good reason - they are ranked 8th.  Congrats to them.  I find it a bit odd that they are ranked right behind Salisbury given they won the South regional which Salisbury hosted.  Shenandoah is returning 5 starting position players and will surely be the favorite to win the USA South.  CNU is apparently 32nd in the poll and is the only other USA South team mentioned.   Hopkins is 30th.  No ODAC teams appear to be listed. 

CNU's season opening opponent Texas-Tyler is ranked right behind them at 34th.  Should be a good test for the Captains to start the season.

Here is the link - http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divIII/currentpolldiviii.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 22, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
Shenandoah should be in the top 5 I believe...too many returning players.  They will be very strong again.

CNU is completely overrated.  They lost SS Trae Bailey and most of their OF.  Methodist will be a better team I think.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 24, 2009, 10:55:31 AM
Here's how I think it'll finish up for 2010 spring season:

1 - Methodist : They have something to prove and they were very young last year.
2 - Shenandoah : not sure who they got to replace the Simmons kid as #2 starter?
3 - NCWC : Big ? mark, but they always seem to be in the running
4 - CNU : They graduated a lot

Really anyone of those top 4 could win the USA-South.  Just will come down who has the pitching.

5 - Ferrum
6 - Greensboro
7 - Averett

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 26, 2009, 02:29:26 PM
Quote from: SUbaseballfan on October 22, 2009, 09:07:47 AM
Glad to see Bridgeforth Field getting a makeover! Small steps for a team that deserves a better field!!!  I know the guys all work hard to make their field as  good as possible.I guess I can wait for the bathrooms to get real doors and not those darn shower curtains LOL!!


"SUbaseballfan", how come SU does not have their own baseball facility?  I always assumed that Bridgeforth Field was SU's but I was corrected when I read these articles posted above.  Does SU have plans to build their own baseball field?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 26, 2009, 11:38:49 PM
My picks just from looking at returners and lost seniors is:

1.  Shenandoah
2.  NCWC
3.  Methodist
4.  Ferrum
5.  CNU
6.  Averett
7.  Greensboro
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 27, 2009, 10:07:04 AM
     As I'd never pick against the Captains, out of total bias, my pick will come down to a requirement, with the team that best fills the requirement as being the most likely #1:

    In light of every season ending up with lots of ties in the standings and a dogfight for the dogpile at the USAS Tournament, whichever team can run out three solid starters to the mound is my pick...and of course I hope that's the Captains.


   P.S. But to show some love to my Captains, they return 7 of top 9 hitters, may well be a better hitting club top to bottom in 2010 (although Bailey, Cole, and Giarizzi will be missed), and still have the starting pitchers for 10 of the 11 2009 regular season conference games. I wouldn't count them out just yet...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 27, 2009, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: hokieone on December 27, 2009, 10:07:04 AM
    In light of every season ending up with lots of ties in the standings and a dogfight for the dogpile at the USAS Tournament, whichever team can run out three solid starters to the mound is my pick...and of course I hope that's the Captains.

The #1 reason why USA-South should go back to 3-game series, it'll eliminate the ties.  Yes, I know that USA-South is beating each other up, but it's one of the best, if not the best conference in the country so why not play the best?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 27, 2009, 09:19:40 PM
USA_fan,
you do have a point but when the Conference had 3 game series, it seemed that only one team was able to make it to the NCAA, due to teams just beating each other up.  I personally would like to see go back to 3 game series, but since they started playing a 12 game conference schedule, more teams have made it to Regionals (example last year, NCWC, Shenandoah and CNU).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 28, 2009, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on December 27, 2009, 09:19:40 PM
USA_fan,
you do have a point but when the Conference had 3 game series, it seemed that only one team was able to make it to the NCAA, due to teams just beating each other up.  I personally would like to see go back to 3 game series, but since they started playing a 12 game conference schedule, more teams have made it to Regionals (example last year, NCWC, Shenandoah and CNU).

True, so maybe the 2-game set is the best then.  To whomever wins the USA-South regular season title, then they should receive a 1st round bye in the conference tourney, the regular season champion must be rewarded for something if not receiving an automatic at-large bid. 

The regular season must have some value as the regular season champion has proven they are the best team in one of the best, if not the best conference of D3 baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 28, 2009, 07:57:05 AM
  You hit it on the head. The regular season champion receives no real advantage for their efforts. If the last two teams in the standings would have a play in game, and then #1 play the winner of that game, they would have appropriate compensation for winning the regular season.

   On the negative side, with the teams playing so few conference games, ties are inevitable so somebody would get a nice break, or land in that 6-7 game, based upon the tie-breaker rules, not necessarily a good thing. Three seasons ago, if memory serves me correctly, there was a 5 way tie for first heading into the last weekend of games.

    Getting more teams into the NCAA is a big plus.  Shenandoah's super 2009 season was not diminished by it's not winning the tournament or the regular season title in the slightest.

      USAS must be the toughest conference in the Country when the number 6 team in the Country only ties for third place in the regular season.   :) 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 28, 2009, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: hokieone on December 28, 2009, 07:57:05 AM
USAS must be the toughest conference in the Country when the number 6 team in the Country only ties for third place in the regular season.   :) 


How 'bout that!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on January 05, 2010, 05:59:59 AM
I guess it's official...sort of. Per posting on Methodist web site, Massey ratings rank USA South as strongest D III baseball conference in 2009.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 05, 2010, 06:37:32 PM
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbase (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbase)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 06, 2010, 08:33:58 PM
I must be slow.  I've scoured the Massey site and can't find where the USA South is ranked #1 among D3 conferences.  I can see the south region and judging from the top-bottom team rankings, it looks like they are the strongest.  It is also pretty neat to see that the top ranked D3 teams would be in the upper middle of most D1 conferernces and at the top of a few D1 and more than a few D2 conferences.  I guess the comments I've read here about the strongest D3 teams being competitive with the average D1 teams is true.  To bad there aren't more opportunities for them to play so we could find out. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 06, 2010, 08:36:10 PM
My bad - I just found it.  You click on the DIII tab and then scroll all the way down. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on January 08, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
As a new parent of a USA South ball player I am  looking forward to the coming season. I do not know a lot about the USAS but do know a little about some of the players that went to schools in the south. I know that Avertt picked upsome good hitting and middle infield help (probably good enough to see some time as a freshman) and some pitching that is probably a year away. I know that CNU picked up good outfield help and at least one freshman pitch who will be a impact this year, I also heard that got a couple of transfers but not sure. What can everyone tell me about the USAS this year? Thanks and look forward to discussing and trash talking (in good nature only). ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on January 09, 2010, 09:31:06 AM
    Welcome aboard. You may not get a lot of info as nobody wants to unwittingly give early scouting reports to opposing folks, but you can be sure the conference games will be dogfights, the standings will be packed tightly, and nobody will be a head-and-shoulders-above-the-rest favorite when tournament time comes.  Having said that, here goes:

    As you may notice, it seems the USAS leads the web site in conference postings, but that may drop off some.  We lost a wonderful friend and frequent poster in JT last spring, and some of the players prone to posting learned it's not a good idea to get in trash-talking wars on a public board, but there are a lot of knowledgeable folks still around, although I'm not one of them.

    While some teams you know will be strong based upon 2009, such as Shenandoah, every year there are surprises. Shenandoah didn't get too much respect out of the chute last season  as many attributed their play station-like numbers to a weak early season schedule, but they got rolling, ran through the South Regional and made it to the World Series.   They flat out played well and earned it.  They won't sneak up on anybody this year. Methodist was on the edge of getting a bid last year, so they'll be strong as well. Methodist will host the South regional this year, a big plus for them if they can get there, but while  their field is very nice, after playing the Regional at Legion Field in Lynchburg in 2008, and Del Marva's Shorebird Stadium in 2009, the facility isn't the same as the minor league parks of the previous years. Perhaps Fayetteville will show them some love and add some stadium to their excellent field.

     Being a CNU fan, and not wanting to tip their hand, they should be very solid this year. They may just be an overall  better hitting lineup this year top to bottom, although no one person will replace Bailey's numbers, but the Captains will be helped by some good newbies. Just like everybody else, it will come down to pitching. It ALWAYS comes down to pitching, for every team, every year.   If any team  has 3 solid starters, and can run 3-4 dependable relievers out there, they are a serious contender.   Shenandoah is no secret, they can play with anybody, and if they can come up with a #2  and #3 pitcher anywhere close to Van Sickler, they will indeed be tough as they have plenty of sticks. NCWC is always good, and apparently got in some promising newbies.  Ferrum, Greensboro, and Averett kind of faded at the end last season, but all three return some good experienced players and if they can pull some help out of their new arrivals, they'll be back in the mix. 

     The league is blessed with some wonderful coaches and most have been there for a while.  They know each other well. 2010 looks like it will be Shenandoah's last year in USAS, and the rumor mill has all kinds of things happening in 2011, maybe adding southern schools, maybe not, but let's just play this season first.

     2010 master schedule is now up on USAS web site.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AM
Willamsburg:   Hokie is spot on with his description of the conference.  I think he's right too about fans of particular schools not wanting to give away too much info about the strength of the team for the upcoming season.  Shenandoah is no secret - they will be the team to beat this year.  That said, there are several teams bunched up right behind them ready to take their place.  As Hokie says, the conference games are always dogfights - witness Ferrum knocking off CNU and Averett knocking off Methodist in the first game of the conference tourney last year.  I'm looking forward to seeing more great battles this season.  Is your son going to Averett or CNU?  Couldn't tell from your post.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on January 09, 2010, 11:16:11 AM
All,
Thanks for the great insight, and you guys are smart to, my son is going to CNU, but I have coach and followed baseball since he was tiny, so I know the kids around here I am following them also. I will be cheering for CNU but following all the young men I have watched grow up on a ball field. I think that the dogfight analogy is perfect as the teams in the USAS are all strong. Where is Shenadoah going next year? I have heard that a couple of times. Once again thanks for the input, and I will guard my knowledge as to not give to much away!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 09, 2010, 10:33:02 PM
WMSBRGFan,
as a second year follower of the USA SOUTH in my opinion here are some players to watch for this year:

NCWC - JR 1B Zach Alexander, JR SS Justin Rahm, JR OF Daniel Moore, JR LHP Max Knowles, JR LHP Justin Diener

Averett - SR SS Jake Loye, SR 3B Eric Sibrizzi, JR OF Adam Higgins

Methodist - SO 1B Trey Such, SR 2B Brian Halpin, JR SS Brian Inghram, SR RHP Landon Jordan, SR RHP Alex Sholar

CNU - SR 1B Chris Despins, SR 2B Parker Neal, JR 3B Mike Romett, SO C Steven Lindemuth, SR RHP Josh Brinkman

Greensboro - SR SS Michael Parker, SR OF Clint DeHaven, JR RHP Alex Phetteplace, SR RHP Trevor Mabry

Shenandoah - JR 1B/P Greg Van Sickler, SO 1B/DH Cory Nelson, SR 3B Scott Van Dusseldorp, JR  OF Kevin Brashears

Ferrum - SO 2B Paul Jaglowski, JR DH Kevin Marshall, JR OF Travis Crump, SR LHP Jon Wilson
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 09, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AM
Shenandoah is no secret - they will be the team to beat this year.  That said, there are several teams bunched up right behind them ready to take their place. 

If you don't bring your A-game then you will not win in the USA-South.  From what I saw last year during the USA-South tourney and with what everyone has returning.

1-Methodist
2-SU
3-NCWC
4-CNU
5-Ferrum
6-Greensboro
7-Averett
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on January 14, 2010, 10:17:02 AM
Ok now that everyone is back in school and starting to get to work preparing for the season is everyone as excited to get baseball started as I am?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2010, 10:02:21 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on January 09, 2010, 10:33:02 PMMethodist - SO 1B Trey Such, SR 2B Brian Halpin, JR SS Brian Inghram (will be a strong POTY candidate...should have been POTY last year, in my opinion...has something to prove), SR RHP Landon Jordan, SR RHP Alex Sholar
don't forget JR OF Tripp Lancaster...he hit .344 with 32 rbi's and 26 sb, and played a solid centerfield...or JR 3B Shawn Lovette, who hit .394 with 30 rbi and 16 sb's...JR LHP Tre Britt shouldn't be overlooked, either - he pitched really well at times last year and i think he could break out

if the monarch arms can step up, they can be just as good as anyone in the conference, but i echo all of the sentiments about the overall strength of this league...on any given day...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 15, 2010, 01:02:20 AM
I am liking Methodist to win the regular season.  They were young and return a lot.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on January 15, 2010, 06:53:57 PM
Any word on freshman who might make an impact this year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2010, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 15, 2010, 01:02:20 AM
I am liking Methodist to win the regular season.  They were young and return a lot.
i like your thinking, but i want to wait until i start seeing some updated rosters before making any predictions...i think the monarchs certainly have the pieces to be very good, though...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on January 16, 2010, 01:22:03 PM
Quote from: narch on January 16, 2010, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 15, 2010, 01:02:20 AM
I am liking Methodist to win the regular season.  They were young and return a lot.
i like your thinking, but i want to wait until i start seeing some updated rosters before making any predictions...i think the monarchs certainly have the pieces to be very good, though...

With the way Methodist was playing at the end of the season I bet you are hoping they come out strong. From what I have been told if you start slow in the regular season you end up play for the tourney is that correct?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 16, 2010, 04:34:58 PM
I like the Methodist pick as well, but I think Shenandoah who has most of their roster returning will be the favorites to win it all.  Methodist was very young last year so if their experience translates into wins only time will tell. 

On the other side of the coin, I think NCWC and Ferrum will find a way to get into the mix.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2010, 07:01:42 AM
Congrats to Mr. Greg VanSickler of Shenandoah University.

SU's Van Sickler gets All-America nod in preseason



MINNEAPOLIS — Shenandoah University junior Greg Van Sickler has been named preseason All-America by D3baseball.com in selections announced Monday by the Web site.

Van Sickler — a James Wood High School alum who pitches and plays first base — is a first-team selection as a utility player.

He is the first SU player to earn pre-season All-America honors.

Last season Van Sickler led the Hornets to a 38-10 record and a South Region championship by hitting .411 with a school-record 20 doubles and 66 RBI while also going 9-2 with a 2.69 ERA on the mound.

The Hornets began practice this past Friday and open the 2010 season with two games in the USA South/ODAC Challenge on Feb. 13.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2010, 01:55:45 PM
don't forget about brian inghram as an honorable mention selection...

http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/preseason2010.pdf

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. - Methodist junior Brian Inghram was named an Honorable Mention selection to the D3baseball.com Preseason All-America team.

The popular web site covering NCAA Division III baseball announced their preseason selections on Monday including Inghram as one of only two USA South Athletic Conference players. Last season Inghram started every game at shortstop and hit .382 on the year with a team-high 62 RBI. He finished the season with nine home runs went on to earn USA South Second Team All-Conference honors and First Team All-Region recognition.

...and inghram's team was 2-0 vs. van sickler's team  (touching vansickler up for 7 runs in .2 ip in the process...that's over 20% of the runs he gave up on the year in 2/3 of an inning) :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2010, 06:48:28 PM
Sorry, was not intentional, I was just looking at 1st team.  Congrats to those young men as well and heck I have already stated that I am liking Methodist to win the regular season.  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2010, 07:01:54 PM
Sneak peak of SU on the their Turf field.

Click on the 1-18 7pm segment.

http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/82009212.html
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on January 20, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
USA South Pre-Season Baseball Poll

http://www.usasouth.net/news/10baseballlpoll.htm

1) Shenandoah
2) Methodist
3) NC Wesleyan
4) CNU
5) Ferrum
6) Greensboro
7) Averett
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on January 31, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
One week until MU plays their first game. Several teams have posted 2010 rosters. Any surprises on these rosters?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2010, 02:33:38 PM
the monarch roster is finally up...

http://www.mumonarchs.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&

catcher, 1b and rf are really the only defensive positions which were question marks coming into the season - such is listed as a catcher, but i'm sure he'll dh some, as well - i recognize mayo from the football roster...he played 8 games as a db this fall and has some real athleticism...could be a candidate for that rf slot - quinn lancaster had a pretty strong high school career, and if he's as good as his brother, he'll contribute (i'm sure he can help on the basepaths immediately) - i've heard good things about some of the potential 1b replacements, as well - i don't see offense being problematic for this team if a couple of those positions pan out

mahaffey and fasano aren't back, but i've heard there are a couple of arms that are equal to both...one was on a d1 roster, but took a redshirt - i think britt will break out this year...if the monarchs can find 2 reliable starters behind jordan, they'll be very good - if britt breaks out and 2 others step up, the monarchs will have the potential to win the conference...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 01, 2010, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 19, 2010, 06:48:28 PM
Sorry, was not intentional, I was just looking at 1st team.  Congrats to those young men as well and heck I have already stated that I am liking Methodist to win the regular season.  

Favoring Methodist might be more of a fad.  I have a report of an injury to Shenandoah pitcher Eric Rabung (4.53, 6-0,  47.2 IP).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 01, 2010, 08:14:22 PM
Must be true, do not see the Rabung kid listed on their roster.

Also just learned above where Methodist lost two guys as it'll be interesting to see how they roll w/o Mahaffey and Fasano.  I am not sure if Methodist will be my favorite now or not?

Really, the USA-South, it'll be wide open with the top 4 spots after learning this about Methodist and SU.

Methodist, SU, NCW and CNU ... as I believe it could be a toss-up with the top-4 spots.  If you don't play consistent baseball, then don't expect to win in the USA-South, that is a given.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 02, 2010, 08:58:51 AM
Looking at the roster the freshman will have to really step it up on the mound. The catcher spot will also be interesting, I understand they are trying to convert a player to that position. This site list stats for many of the north carolina players last year: http://ncpreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=959669
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 02, 2010, 01:24:34 PM
I no longer like Methodist's chances without a proven catcher and without Mahaffey and Fasano.  They were going to be big for them this year.  Landon Jordan is very good but he'll need help.  Their roster is packed with Freshman pitchers, who will need to contribute right away.

With all these injuries, I like the top 4 spots to be:

1. Shenandoah
2. NC Wesleyan
3. CNU
4. Ferrum
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 02, 2010, 02:54:31 PM
Looking at the Methodist roster RHP Kurt Kelly is back for his fifth year.  He was their ace in 2007 and started a regional game. Is a very solid pitcher. Trey Such is listed as a C, he can hit though.

With Rabung hurt for SU (according to Jim Dixon).  That puts alot of pressure of Van Sickler. 

Wesleyan will have to find a way to replace Ben Moore.  He was huge for them in the Conference Tourney last year.

CNU has to replace their lead-off hitter and 2 time POTY Trae Bailey.  Will be tough to do, but they return Brinkman and Lenda on the mound.

Should be another interesting year in the USA-South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2010, 09:34:47 PM
mahaffey and fasano were inning eaters who finished the season combined 6-6 with a 4.66 era and neither pitched really well late...don't get me wrong, i'd rather have at least one of them than not, but i don't think the loss is a killer from a production standpoint...and falcon, thanks for reminding me about kelly - he has had some serious arm problems the last few years, but he's a bulldog if he's healthy...at worst he could be a great mid-week guy if he's on his game - if trey such can catch anything, the monarchs will be just fine at that position, as well...if he can't catch, yusckat played 23 games last year (some behind the plate, some in the of, some as a dh/ph/pr) as a frosh and is a bright kid (a pre-requisite for a good catcher, in my book) - still not willing to call the monarchs the favorite, but i think this could be a special season if the stars align right
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 02, 2010, 11:22:48 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on February 02, 2010, 02:54:31 PM
Looking at the Methodist roster RHP Kurt Kelly is back for his fifth year.  He was their ace in 2007 and started a regional game. Is a very solid pitcher. Trey Such is listed as a C, he can hit though.

With Rabung hurt for SU (according to Jim Dixon).  That puts alot of pressure of Van Sickler.  

Wesleyan will have to find a way to replace Ben Moore.  He was huge for them in the Conference Tourney last year.

CNU has to replace their lead-off hitter and 2 time POTY Trae Bailey.  Will be tough to do, but they return Brinkman and Lenda on the mound.

Should be another interesting year in the USA-South.

Methodist will be in the hunt, heck their Coach has over 900 wins, 929 to be exact (929-384-9)... so one must think he knows what he is doing.

Looking at weather forecast, if your in VA, sorry does not look very promising for baseball this month.  Boys in NC, there will be baseball very soon.

SU with that roster size, they'll be fine.  Anyone would bet someone will emerge from that large number of players on their squad.

It'll be another dogfight in the USA-South, that is money in the bank!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 03, 2010, 07:01:03 AM
I recently looked at Accuweather and we have snow Saturday as well as 2 more days of snow next week.  Starting to think that the USAS/ODAC Tourney may be in jeopardy if snow doesn't slow down.  We have already had 2+ days of no school down in Norfolk, VA this week.  Hoping for better weather come next week.

Falcon, looking at your post about Ben Moore...you are dead on.  Need someone to step up and take those innings and be the bulldog he was past 4 years.  From what I see looking at NCWC roster, I'm thinking Diener and Knowles (both lefties) will be the weekend starters.  Diener has pitched huge games the last 2 years in the Conference tournament.  Mid week guys for me will be by committe with coach going with the hot hand.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 03, 2010, 07:35:03 AM
For MU they  open this week at LaGrange weather looks good, mid fifties and sunny.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 03, 2010, 08:27:14 AM
What's the backup plan for no ODAC/USA-South challenge series?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on February 03, 2010, 09:47:17 AM
Hey, does anybody have details on the supposed injury to Shenandoah's Rabung?  Since he's not on their roster at all, sounds like it may have been season-ending and they're "red-shirting" him?  Although I'm an ODAC fan, Rabung and my son played together in HS so we've been following him in his (so-far brief) college career...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fanofusasouth on February 04, 2010, 02:59:20 PM
Hey guys  im new to the board and love to talk baseball.  I actually played 4 years in the USA SOUTH. I Look foward to talking baseball with you guys throughout the year. ALSO IM NOT going to say what team or what years i played,  because i dont want people to stereotype me for who and whom i played with.  Just looking at some of your post i must say that my pick to win the USA SOUTH is METH with out a doubt with Shan a close 2nd. As someone posted on the board earlier,  the two pitchers that left METH were only 6-6 ALL TOGETHER. There were pitchers that were in the USA SOUTH last year that had more wins by thereselves and that just shows that they really arent losing that much so, To me METH is fine. Dont forget  SHAN got hot at the right time last year and they found a 2nd starter in Simmons late. DONT FORGET they finished 4th       4th in the USA SOUTH LAST YEAR.  Meth and NCWC were the two best teams last year because they played at or near the top of there games all year. In fact if im not mistaken METH AND NCWC were taking it down to the wire for the REg SEASON CHAMP the last weekend. If i had to pick my 7 team race this is what it would look like.

1. METH   They return to much to not pick them. The regionals are at their house, which should give them some more edge to want to play better.  Also they return good arms in the pen along with transfer pitchers, that could at the least be good weekday starters. And from my understanding they new arms are better then the freshy pitchers last year...just shows Meth is even better than last year.  Returns Rookie of the year.  a Pre season all american and he will be POTY this year.... and LETS NOT FORGET   the best coach in the USA SOUTH WITH OUT A DOUBT!!!

2. SHAN   OK they finished 4th in the usa south last year... but they went to the world serious and they showed that the so called week schedule doesnt mean crap....  they have the best motivator in the entire conf  in coach anderson  and they also have this kid they call van sickler   and also if you didnt know they can SMASH A BASEBALL...... Need to find some arms to step up but  dont be surprised if they past METH

3. CNU ........ CNU is the biggest school in the conf...  state funded and they hands down have the best campus in the conf. Which equals RECRUITS...  CNU from eXperience has always had good pitching... there ace this year to me will be pitcher of the year... and im sure with the campus and being a big state funded school.. they will put up a good team as they always have

4. NCWC     a team that always is in the middle of the pack... i had a hard time putting them 4th  but i think they get the edge over Gboro because of what they wear on there chest and that is NCWC.  everyone in the conf wants to beat them (turst me i speak from experience) just like their rival meth down the road.   I understand they return two arms that could help them out... but i believe one of them had surgery. LTHS   i agree with your comment about BEN MOORE   he was a bulldog  but a hated one at that.. speaking from  my experience playing against him  he was one of the most hated people in the conf.. i still cant see how he got POTY and friends of his on my team say that him and coach long were not the best of friends along with some of the players.. might have to do something with that attitude of his.... Also  THE LOST  of zolly woodleif , willaford and dustin batts is HUGE...  watching and playing against them you would know why...  TO ME ncwc has been slipping every year since my soph year in school when they went to the world serious... not to sure what they return but dont be surprised if they finish below 4th....

5. MY DARK HORSE THIS YEAR....  They have a new coach with a  new style....Aiker is a very personal coach with his players and i think his new style with a mix of the old can jump start this program..... he has a great town to bring kids to play baseball and recruit so look for Gboro to be in the mix every year in the next couple of years....   Dont forget they bring back alot of experience  and even though the kids fingers and mouth is to big for his body  they do have manfro back and if he can keep his head out of his butt and just pitch i see him up for pitcher of the year also.... just hes team has to put up some kind of offence... i want to pick them 4th  but i didnt feel like having NCWC prove me wrong again....

6.   FERRUM..... ferrum returns two good pitchers that if on there game can beat anyone...  the freshy 2nd baseman should have gotten fresh of the year last year... i believe that they could shake up some upsets this year and stir the conf some problems but... still think you see them at the bottom....

7. AVERETT..... lets face it averett is averett... with out there 50 years old ahmad shelton and 40 year old ben hildreth  they really arent that great.... Funny and crazy coach to go along with them that loves to win and hates to lose.... but ever since the rookie of the year and pitcher of the year  stage they had two years ago... they have just been a team to beat up on..... Yes they did travel down to NCWC and beat them twice at their place   but.... i dont expect them to do any damage....  also to add that could cause a little talk.... lyle may be on the mound this year and  word has it ahmad is coming back.....  sooo well see



LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS  THINK....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 04, 2010, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: fanofusasouth on February 04, 2010, 02:59:20 PM
Hey guys  im new to the board and love to talk baseball.  I actually played 4 years in the USA SOUTH. I Look foward to talking baseball with you guys throughout the year. ALSO IM NOT going to say what team or what years i played,  because i dont want people to stereotype me for who and whom i played with.  Just looking at some of your post i must say that my pick to win the USA SOUTH is METH with out a doubt with Shan a close 2nd. As someone posted on the board earlier,  the two pitchers that left METH were only 6-6 ALL TOGETHER. There were pitchers that were in the USA SOUTH last year that had more wins by thereselves and that just shows that they really arent losing that much so, To me METH is fine. Dont forget  SHAN got hot at the right time last year and they found a 2nd starter in Simmons late. DONT FORGET they finished 4th       4th in the USA SOUTH LAST YEAR.  Meth and NCWC were the two best teams last year because they played at or near the top of there games all year. In fact if im not mistaken METH AND NCWC were taking it down to the wire for the REg SEASON CHAMP the last weekend. If i had to pick my 7 team race this is what it would look like.

1. METH   They return to much to not pick them. The regionals are at their house, which should give them some more edge to want to play better.  Also they return good arms in the pen along with transfer pitchers, that could at the least be good weekday starters. And from my understanding they new arms are better then the freshy pitchers last year...just shows Meth is even better than last year.  Returns Rookie of the year.  a Pre season all american and he will be POTY this year.... and LETS NOT FORGET   the best coach in the USA SOUTH WITH OUT A DOUBT!!!

2. SHAN   OK they finished 4th in the usa south last year... but they went to the world serious and they showed that the so called week schedule doesnt mean crap....  they have the best motivator in the entire conf  in coach anderson  and they also have this kid they call van sickler   and also if you didnt know they can SMASH A BASEBALL...... Need to find some arms to step up but  dont be surprised if they past METH

3. CNU ........ CNU is the biggest school in the conf...  state funded and they hands down have the best campus in the conf. Which equals RECRUITS...  CNU from eXperience has always had good pitching... there ace this year to me will be pitcher of the year... and im sure with the campus and being a big state funded school.. they will put up a good team as they always have

4. NCWC     a team that always is in the middle of the pack... i had a hard time putting them 4th  but i think they get the edge over Gboro because of what they wear on there chest and that is NCWC.  everyone in the conf wants to beat them (turst me i speak from experience) just like their rival meth down the road.   I understand they return two arms that could help them out... but i believe one of them had surgery. LTHS   i agree with your comment about BEN MOORE   he was a bulldog  but a hated one at that.. speaking from  my experience playing against him  he was one of the most hated people in the conf.. i still cant see how he got POTY and friends of his on my team say that him and coach long were not the best of friends along with some of the players.. might have to do something with that attitude of his.... Also  THE LOST  of zolly woodleif , willaford and dustin batts is HUGE...  watching and playing against them you would know why...  TO ME ncwc has been slipping every year since my soph year in school when they went to the world serious... not to sure what they return but dont be surprised if they finish below 4th....

5. MY DARK HORSE THIS YEAR....  They have a new coach with a  new style....Aiker is a very personal coach with his players and i think his new style with a mix of the old can jump start this program..... he has a great town to bring kids to play baseball and recruit so look for Gboro to be in the mix every year in the next couple of years....   Dont forget they bring back alot of experience  and even though the kids fingers and mouth is to big for his body  they do have manfro back and if he can keep his head out of his butt and just pitch i see him up for pitcher of the year also.... just hes team has to put up some kind of offence... i want to pick them 4th  but i didnt feel like having NCWC prove me wrong again....

6.   FERRUM..... ferrum returns two good pitchers that if on there game can beat anyone...  the freshy 2nd baseman should have gotten fresh of the year last year... i believe that they could shake up some upsets this year and stir the conf some problems but... still think you see them at the bottom....

7. AVERETT..... lets face it averett is averett... with out there 50 years old ahmad shelton and 40 year old ben hildreth  they really arent that great.... Funny and crazy coach to go along with them that loves to win and hates to lose.... but ever since the rookie of the year and pitcher of the year  stage they had two years ago... they have just been a team to beat up on..... Yes they did travel down to NCWC and beat them twice at their place   but.... i dont expect them to do any damage....  also to add that could cause a little talk.... lyle may be on the mound this year and  word has it ahmad is coming back.....  sooo well see



LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS  THINK....


Good gracious, HOW can anyone respond to that!  Nothing but Kudos to you!   ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 04, 2010, 03:59:58 PM
fanofusasouth,
welcome to the board.  I always like to hear someone else's point of view, specially if they have had experience playing in the USA SOUTH. 

I disagree with your picks being a NCWC fan but that's why they play the game on the field on not on boards like this.

I see some USAS teams are starting their season this weekend (weather permitting) so we'll see what they put on the field.  Just hoping this season is as good as last season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 04, 2010, 04:52:22 PM
fanofusasouth: Thanks for the refreshingly honest assessment.

50 year old Ahmed Shelton -- is he literally out of retirement then?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 04, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
I won't be surprised if there are a ton of conference splits again. Just the way it goes with a 2-game series.  Every team on paper can beat each other.

Like I have said in earlier posts, the conference setup (good or bad) places significant importance on mid-week "south region" games.  These games are just as important as the conference game even if they don't "feel" that way.

Like always should be a fun and competitive baseball season. Lets hope the weather forecasts drastically change.    

Would love to see 3 USA-South teams in the regional again.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 04, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Falcon2720 on February 04, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
I won't be surprised if there are a ton of conference splits again. Just the way it goes with a 2-game series.  Every team on paper can beat each other.

Like I have said in earlier posts, the conference setup (good or bad) places significant importance on mid-week "south region" games.  These games are just as important as the conference game even if they don't "feel" that way.

Like always should be a fun and competitive baseball season. Lets hope the weather forecasts drastically change.    

Would love to see 3 USA-South teams in the regional again.


With current format, 3-teams from USA-South advancing to Reg'l play is very doable!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: fanofusasouth on February 04, 2010, 09:01:06 PM
First off thanks for the welcome.... but 2nd  i think you guys should remember that post  because i believe that my predictions will be right... meth first shan 2nd for sure... i think i made a mistake on gboro below ncwc.....  i took time tonight... because i have nothing else to do with my life and looked at the stats from last year.... GBORO still my dark horse  and i talked to some friends from gboro this year and they tell me that they are responding to coach Aiker very well.... infact he was the team favorite all along...  still see averett doing nothing this year.... hildreth was there team last year and hes gone.. and is playing independent ball the sticks that the USA SOUTH Brings is Very good and when you have no hitting and no pitching   your not GOOD PERIOD....  Speaking of stats... NCWC LOST A LOT... i looked at a lineup from the regional game... they lose there #1 and #2 AND #4 PITCHERS . john shearon being there 4 if not 5  3b, C, RF, DH, 2B   i see ncwc looking to slide just a little bit more this year and pray to get hot at the end of the year...  CNU returns good amount of players  and especially there 3b..  i dont remember playing against him but his stats do not lie from last year... there coach always coaches well as they always have a very very deep team..... Speaking of coaches... if you had to rank the coaches from 1-7  what would your rank be and why
1.  METH   is what every coach wants to be... his players hate him in  a way and my friends tell me his a very crazy guy.. but he makes his team better and numbers dont lie

2. SHAN   dedication to his team and the school is un real.... the man is the best motivator in the conference  and look what he did last year... cant really say much more about that..

3.  CNU    Puts good teams up every year  and can recruit his butt off.... got a good city and depth in his teams every year just show how good he is

4. NCWC   the man has a national championship ring... but was it his team or Fox... if im not mistaken he won it the year after fox left  and those players were fox's...  but heres something you cant lie about   300 wins last year if im not mistaking...  Also everytime ive played NCWC they only have two coaches...  i see on the roster this year they have a coach byrd.... is he a hitting or pitching coach? LTHS maybe you can answer that

5. Averett... the man makes me laugh more than any coach in the league... hes so hyped up on tobacco or his desire to win....  hes the first to get fired up and the first to yell his players back to 4th grade  scared to death....   but his past playing experience brings alot of knowledge to the game...

6-7   Tie... would give a edge over aiker  just because my friends say they love the guy and hes from the university and is the only guy that really recruits from that university... but  cant say much because its his first year... would say the ferrum guy gets the nod because he did have a good year his first time with the new team... i mean he was one game from the championship game in the tourny last year......   

Also remember none of these coaches are what they are without the asst coaches and trianers... alot of people never recognize that...   but you guys let me know what you think
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 05, 2010, 06:27:18 AM
fanofusasouth,
Coach Jones will be the pitching coach and coach Byrd is the hitting coach.

As far as ranking the coaches...boy, very hard to do.  This is not the best Division III conference for nothing.  The coaching is excellent and most of these guys could probably move on to DII or DI schools if they wanted to, they sure have the credentials for it.

I have noticed for the most part that the COY award goes to the coach whose team won the conference.  Coach Long won it last year but I think Coach Austin (Methodist) was a very close second.  He did a tremendous job with such a young roster.  On top of that their catcher (Proctor) and best pitcher RHP L. Jordan were hurt for part of the year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 05, 2010, 10:49:26 AM
CNU's roster is finally about to be posted. Looks like all the starters still eligible have returned: Despins, Romett, Neal, Brinkman, Lenda(s), Lindemuth, etc. A couple transfers: one from VA Tech and one from Shenandoah. Some freshman pitchers who should help out. I'm hopeful.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 05, 2010, 11:35:04 AM
...and a transfer from Liberty and from the U.S. Naval Academy.   Looks like a very good hitting lineup, fielding is excellent, Brinkman could well be a draft prospect, and there's a 4 way dogfight for the #2 starter spot, so if all of those guys are #2 worthy, or close to it, it could be an interesting year.

    CNU's infield, as of yesterday, is game ready but a little more drying in the outfield would be helpful. If this storm that's going to bury us up here in the Valley doesn't leave too much additional moisture, they should be able to tee it up against Hampden-Sydney on Tuesday in Newport News, but it will be chilly. If all goes well, unlikely with the weather, the Captains will have played  5 games by sundown Sunday..and they will all be blue popsicles.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 05, 2010, 12:22:23 PM
Yes Greg Goldsmith from NAPS.  I think he will help CNU out tremendously and I'm sure the coach was happy to have him arrive in January.  Who is the Liberty transfer, HokieOne? I think CNU has some pitchers that have not yet been fully discovered in conference play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on February 05, 2010, 01:20:30 PM
I think that it is going to be very important for every school to have freshman step up and the one that has that happen I think will do the best in conference play. With that said it will be interesting to see how has the best freshman class to build off of.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 05, 2010, 03:00:39 PM
Wonder why nobody has chatted about this as today is Feb. 5th?

QuoteFebruary 2, 2010

MESA, Ariz. - Junior Greg Van Sickler has been tabbed as the pre-season Division III Player of the Year in selections announced Tuesday by Baseball America.

Van Sickler, who earned NABC All-America status last season after leading Shenandoah to a 38-10 record and a South Region championship, was selected as a "Player to Watch", the  pre-season Player of the Year and as the top NCAA Division III draftable prospect by Baseball America.

Van Sickler hit .411 with seven home runs, 66 RBI and a school record 20 doubles last spring while also winning nine of 11 decisions on the mound with a 2.69 ERA.

In addition to his NABC honors, Van Sickler was selected All-USA South Conference, to the USA South, Salisbury and NCAA Division III Championships All-Tournament teams and as a Valley League All-Star during the summer.

Shenandoah is scheduled to open its 2010 season on February 13 with a pair of games at the ODAC/USA South Conference Challenge.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on February 05, 2010, 03:11:36 PM
I thinl it is that with Mr. Van Sickler you know what you are going to get. He will probably meet the hype, the questions with SU start after he is done on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2010, 09:29:06 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 05, 2010, 03:00:39 PM
Wonder why nobody has chatted about this as today is Feb. 5th?

QuoteFebruary 2, 2010

MESA, Ariz. - Junior Greg Van Sickler has been tabbed as the pre-season Division III Player of the Year in selections announced Tuesday by Baseball America.

Van Sickler, who earned NABC All-America status last season after leading Shenandoah to a 38-10 record and a South Region championship, was selected as a "Player to Watch", the  pre-season Player of the Year and as the top NCAA Division III draftable prospect by Baseball America.

Van Sickler hit .411 with seven home runs, 66 RBI and a school record 20 doubles last spring while also winning nine of 11 decisions on the mound with a 2.69 ERA.

In addition to his NABC honors, Van Sickler was selected All-USA South Conference, to the USA South, Salisbury and NCAA Division III Championships All-Tournament teams and as a Valley League All-Star during the summer.

Shenandoah is scheduled to open its 2010 season on February 13 with a pair of games at the ODAC/USA South Conference Challenge.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/)
i don't think he's even the best player in the conference (although he's very close)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 06, 2010, 09:19:36 AM
Weather is causing some schedule adjustments. Here a post on the MU site:

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. - The Methodist baseball team has adjusted their schedule for the next two weekends and fans should take note to plan accordingly.

This weekend, the Monarchs will kick off the 2010 campaign at LaGrange College, but the games have been pushed back a day to Sunday and Monday at 1 p.m.

Next weekend, Methodist was originally scheduled to play in the ODAC/USA South Challenge hosted by Randolph-Macon, but due to heavy winter weather in the area, the tournament has been split up amongst a number of sites. The Monarchs will host Bridgewater College in a three-game series at Armstrong-Shelley Field beginning with a doubleheader on Saturday, Feb. 13 at 12 p.m. The final game will take place Sunday, Feb. 14 at 1 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 07, 2010, 01:07:39 AM
For those who got show, how much did everyone get?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 07, 2010, 06:37:32 AM
Two feet in Fairfax County. I heard that the Charlottesville area was relatively spared compared to the forecast.

I walked by a little league yesterday and thought about how spring training is right around the corner...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 07, 2010, 10:26:37 AM
I would say Norfolk, VA got 1 or 1.5".  According to VA Wesleyan website, VA Wesleyan will be hosting NCWC next Saturday for a DH.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 07, 2010, 12:57:28 PM
Looks like Northern VA area got hammered!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 07, 2010, 11:25:47 PM
LaGRANGE, Ga. - The Methodist baseball season opener was delayed a day, but the Monarchs earned the 6-3 win Sunday afternoon at LaGrange College.

The Monarchs (1-0) scored the first run of the game after Brian Goodwin reached on an error and stole second. He advanced to third after back-to-back walks and scored on Trey Such's fielder's choice to give Methodist the 1-0 lead.

Goodwin scored the Monarchs' second run of the game in the third after drawing the lead-off walk and scored on a RBI-single from Brian Halpin.

The Monarchs took the 5-0 lead in the fourth capped off by a 2-RBI single from Such. Methodist capped off their scoring in the fifth when pinch hitter Xavier Mayo was hit by a pitch and made his way around the bases before scoring on a passed ball.

LaGrange (0-1) tried to rally in the seventh scoring three runs on three hits, but Methodist pitcher Kurt Kelly entered in relief to strike out the final batter to get the Monarchs out of a jam.

Methodist had five players each record a hit with Such finishing with three RBI and Goodwin finishing with three runs scored.

Landon Jordan earned the win on the mound in six innings pitched allowing just two hits while Reid Berry had 0.2 innings of relief and Kelly earned the save in the final 2.1 innings.

The Monarchs will face LaGrange tomorrow at 1 p.m. in the second and final game of the series.




2/8/2010 5:47:07 PM
LaGRANGE, Ga. - It was LaGrange who struck first on Monday, but the Monarchs came back with six unanswered runs to win 6-1 over the Panthers.

Craig Mobley put LaGrange (0-2) on the scoreboard in the bottom of the fourth inning with a home run to center field. The Monarchs (2-0) left eight runners on through the first six innings unable to get a run across, but put together strong base running for two runs in the seventh.

Matt Quick led off by reaching on an error and moved to second on Tripp Lancaster's sacrifice bunt. Brian Goodwin was hit by a pitch and Quick worked his way around on a failed pickoff attempt before scoring on a passed ball. Goodwin scored the eventual game-winning run when Shawn Lovette reached on another Panther error.

The Monarchs added four insurance runs in the eighth after getting three singles from Tyler Younger, Quick and Trey Such.

Tre Britt drew the start on the mound for Methodist and gave up just three hits in six innings while striking out six. Rusty White and John Markley combined for the final three innings of relief.

The Monarchs will take on Bridgewater in their home opener on Saturday with the first pitch of the doubleheader scheduled for 12 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 08, 2010, 08:51:59 AM
After being away for a few years and then finding this I am getting back into tracking the USA South. I have been starting to read all these post and look at rosters and want to say a few things. You guys are great! I have really enjoy the post and it has done a good job of bringing me back up to speed thank you. Is CNU the only school that does not have their roster posted? How do they look, does any one know? Methodist is playing baseball! Man I am getting the itch to go watch some basbeall. I look forward to the season and good luck to all.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 08, 2010, 04:17:11 PM
Methodist wins their second in a row. 6-1 over Lagrange. Good pitching performance by the staff. Britt went six innings and gave up one run. White got the win and pitched two. Markley closed the 9th and gave not runs. Lancaster was 3 for 4. Such was 2 for 4 and Younger had two hits.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
jordan and britt have come out of the gate pretty strong...a combined 12 ip, 5 hits, 14 k's, 1 er and 1-0 record...not too shabby

looks like the monarch bats woke up late today, but they woke up just the same

2-0 on the road against a solid ball club is EXACTLY what i was hoping for
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 08, 2010, 06:18:36 PM
Quote from: Southern BB fan on February 08, 2010, 04:17:11 PM
Methodist wins their second in a row. 6-1 over Lagrange. Good pitching performance by the staff. Britt went six innings and gave up one run. White got the win and pitched two. Markley closed the 9th and gave not runs. Lancaster was 3 for 4. Such was 2 for 4 and Younger had two hits.

Methodist will be a contender!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 08, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
While the freshman arms saw limited action there appears to be something to be encouraged about.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 09, 2010, 06:36:02 AM
Most teams might as well write their schedules in pencil, as old man winter is re-arranging everything. CNU now  opens Thursday at home against HSC, then St. Mary's Saturday and a DH Sunday with Randolph Macon-WEATHER PERMITTING!

  Accu-Weather says the "high" temperature for those three days will be 41 on Sunday.  Every year we get our pre-season supplies at Gander Mountain and this is no exception.   Sub-40 degree weather won't do real nice things for all those $400 bats...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 09, 2010, 09:52:09 AM
$400 bats!  Guess I haven't had to spring for a bat for my retired leftie in at least three years.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 09, 2010, 11:14:25 AM
There is nothing cheap about good baseball gear anymore. Top of the line gloves can run in the hundreds, bats can run over 400. Warm weather, cold weather, sliding gear, cleats etc... can lots more to the cost.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 09, 2010, 11:29:18 AM
For catchers its even worse

Glove, shin guards, Chest Protector, Mask, Padded underglove, and then regular gear  of bats, and all the other stuff well over $1,000. D1 pays for everything. D3 almost nothing.

But as they say it:  Worth every penny for the experiences.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 11, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
Double header tomorrow in Fayettville with Methodist Univ. Dress warm temps in the mid forties.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 11, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
NCWC vs VWC game in jeopardy for Saturday.  Weather calls for 28F and snow during noon game start in Norfolk, VA.

Maybe coaches will switch game to Rocky Mount.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 12, 2010, 06:27:41 AM
With a schedule written in pencil, CNU host HSC today, St. Mary's Saturday if they can get out of the eastern shore snow, and then 2 with Randolph Macon on Sunday.   Nothing quite like getting ready for baseball season, by buying small propane tanks for the portable heater. CNU's field is clear and dry, but will be chilly..heck, it'll be just darned cold. Hopefully practicing outside over the past 2-3 weeks in the same conditions will help.

Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 12, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
I was told that Bauer Field in Rocky Mount is drying out nicely and would be ready by Saturday. They were going to pull the tarp yesterday and have a light scrimmage and let the wind and sunshine help dry it out. It's suppose snow in the southern part of NC Saturday but with a slight chance of a light dusting up round Rocky Mount so I don't know if it could be played at NCWC or not. ??? But I would love for it to be moved down to our place, I'm dang ready to see some baseball. :o
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 12, 2010, 09:18:47 PM
Wes,
game has been pushed back to Sunday.  Still playing at VWC.  I went past field today and it did not looked bad but we got snow coming down tonight in Norfolk plus more snow tomorrow morning.  Sunday is supposed to be nice....C'mon Baseball Gods!!!! Let the Bishops play!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2010, 11:25:30 PM
more snow...can't see the grass through the white stuff

listen, i love polar bears and it's sad to see them floating around on a random piece of ice, but if you ask me, global warming isn't happening quick enough :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 13, 2010, 09:23:11 AM
Quote from: narch on February 12, 2010, 11:25:30 PM
more snow...can't see the grass through the white stuff

listen, i love polar bears and it's sad to see them floating around on a random piece of ice, but if you ask me, global warming isn't happening quick enough :)

I agree with you, or at least have an early spring after this winter, 6 1/2" of snow here and I hate snow!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 13, 2010, 09:37:20 AM
Yes woke up to more white stuff today, but did make it out to see the CNU and Hampton-Sydney game yesterday. It was cold but great to see baseball. Hopefully VWC will get to play this weekend would like to see more baseball. Oh and more sun!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2010, 10:46:51 AM
i think we all know what it's like to be a colorado rockies fan now...prior to today, i can't remember a methodist university baseball game which was snowed out...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 13, 2010, 03:24:46 PM
VWC and NCWC will play only one tomorrow at 1PM....hopefully....a lot of white stuff (snow) still on the grass.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 13, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
Methodist snowed out today, tentatively scheduled a double header for tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 07:49:38 AM
2/12/2010 7:14:22 PM

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. - Hampden-Sydney built a 6-0 lead and then held off a CNU comeback, sending the Captains to an 8-5 defeat Friday afternoon at Captains Park in the season opener for both teams. The game was shortened to eight innings due to darkness.

The Tigers put two on the board in the second, with one run unearned. But then they added four in the fifth with the aid of four walks.

CNU immediately answered with three in the fifth, with a bases loaded walk to Steven Lindemuth, an RBI single by Chris Despins and a sacrifice fly by Steven Keener.

With single runs in the sixth and seventh the Captains cut the deficit to 6-5. The Tigers added two insurance runs in the eighth with another being unearned.

Despins finished with two hits and an RBI, as did freshman Drue Vernon and Parker Neal.

Josh Brinkman took the loss, going four innings.

CNU's scheduled game with St. Mary's Saturday has been postponed. The Captains will host Randolph-Macon in a doubleheader Sunday at noon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 07:51:00 AM
Let's make it a habit of "posting" ALL game recaps, fair enough?   Then we don't have to search each school's website.  We'll have one spot, here on D3Sports to find out ALL of the USA-South action.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 07:53:02 AM
2/13/2010 6:49:47 PM

DANVILLE, Va. — Averett's offense lit up Roanoke College for a combined 24 hits in a doubleheader sweep on a brisk, windy Saturday afternoon at Owen-Fulton Field. Averett held off Roanoke 8-5 in the first game before demolishing the Maroons 10-4 in the second contest.

After winning the first game of the day, Averett offense continued to shine early in Game 2. The Cougars (2-1) put up three runs in the first inning, including two on sophomore Kyle Newcomb's double to left-center field. Senior Michael Moore drove in senior Jake Loye in the third inning to increase Averett's lead to 4-0.

The Cougars got into trouble in the top of the fourth. Roanoke (0-2) got three runs back, including two on bases-loaded walks. However, Averett got those runs back over the next two innings. Loye's 3-run double to right-center in the bottom of the sixth all but sealed the sweep for the Cougars.

Moore, Loye, junior Adam Higgins and freshman Jordan Kidd each had two hits in Game 2.

Senior Jesse Ferrell (1-0) earned the win in relief for the Cougars, while Cody Kidd took the loss.

In the opener, Averett grabbed a 1-0 lead in the first inning on Kyle Newcomb's RBI groundout. The Cougars then plated four more runs in the second inning, with two coming on Higgins' triple to right field. Averett increased its lead to 6-0 on senior Eric Sibrizzi's RBI double.

Allen Moore brought Roanoke back to life with a two-run homer to left field that cut Averett's advantage to 6-2 in the top of the fifth, but the Cougars countered with two runs in the bottom of the sixth.

The Maroons added three runs in the top of the seventh. Yet, Averett avoided the scare when senior reliever Brian Knowles notched the third out on a strikeout with two runners on base.

Higgins, Sibrizzi finished with two hits, while Kidd reached base safely three times.

Senior Chase Hall (1-0) earned the win for the Cougars.

Averett returns to action on Sunday when the Cougars host Guilford College at 2 p.m. at Owen-Fulton Field. That game was originally scheduled to be played at Guilford, but it was announced on Saturday that it would be moved to Danville. Prior to the Averett-Guilford game, Ferrum College will take on Roanoke at Owen-Fulton Field at 11 a.m.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 07:58:47 AM
2/11/2010 5:58:27 PM

DANVILLE, Va. — A pair of solo home runs in the ninth inning helped Lynchburg College pull away to a 5-1 win over Averett in the season-opener for both teams on a chilly Thursday afternoon at Owen-Fulton Field.

Lynchburg (1-0), which was picked to win the Old Dominion Athletic Conference, managed to piece together only four hits all afternoon. Yet, the Hornets spoiled the pitching debut of Averett senior Jake Loye, who had a no-hitter through the first five innings.

The Hornets broke a scoreless tie in the top of the sixth after Loye hit Matt Painter to lead off the inning. An Averett error put Ryan Litz on first and allowed Painter to advance to third. Jordan Watkins delivered Lynchburg's first hit of the game to score Painter. The Hornets added a second run on Cameron Grant's sacrifice fly to center field to put Lynchburg ahead 2-0.

Averett (1-0) got one run back in the seventh inning on freshman Jordan Kidd's RBI double, but the Cougars stranded a pair of runners in scoring position. For the game, Averett left 10 runners on base.

Lynchburg took advantage of another Averett error, and Jeff Taylor Jr. drove in Grant from second to push the Hornets' lead to 3-1. Keegan Ashbee and Litz both tacked on solo homers for Lynchburg in the ninth.

Ryan McDonough (1-0) earned the win for Lynchburg in relief. In two innings of work, he allowed just one hit.

Loye (0-1) struck out five, walked two and allowed just one earned run in six innings.

Senior Michael Moore led Averett at the plate with a 2-for-3 day, accounting for two of the Cougars' six hits.

Averett returns to action on Saturday when it hosts Roanoke College in a 12 p.m. doubleheader at Owen-Fulton Field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 02:32:26 PM
RMC 11 CNU 1 - - after 4 innings complete

http://www.sidearmstats.com/cnu/baseball/

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 06:47:16 PM
Feb 14, 2010

Five Yellow Jackets Go Deep in 20-4 Season Opening Win over CNU

NEWPORT NEWS, VA-Greg Mitro and James Bierlein both knocked two run homeruns in the first inning to spark the R-MC offense and send Randolph-Macon Baseball past Christopher Newport 20-4 in the 2010 season opener Sunday.


Adam Carpenter (Richmond, VA/ Mills Godwin) recorded the Yellow Jackets' first hit of the season with a one out single in the first and scored on a two run homer from Mitro (Richmond, VA/ Mills Godwin) in the next at bat. Jordan Walton (Mechanicsville, VA/ Lee-Davis) then ripped a single to set up Bierlein (Chesterfield, VA/ Matoaca) for another two run homerun, putting R-MC up 4-0.

Walton blasted a two run shot to right center in the top of the second, pushing the Randolph-Macon lead to 6-0.

Carpenter capped a five run third inning with a two run single to right center, giving the Yellow Jackets an 11-0 advantage.

Randolph-Macon would go on to score one run in the fifth, four in the sixth and two runs in both the seventh and eighth innings in route to a 20-4 victory.

The Captains pushed across one run in the fourth to break up the shutout and later tacked on a run in the seventh and two in the eighth on a Luke Saunders two run single.

Kyle Hicks (1-0) picks up the win for R-MC, going four innings and allowing just one run on four hits while striking out two. Byron Mendenhall allowed just one run in his three innings of relief while freshman Dale Langford recorded two innings and gave up two runs, striking out three.

Bierlein, Carpenter, Jay Lichter (Richmond, VA/Varina) , Mitro and Walton each had a two run homerun for the Yellow Jackets. Lichter finished with a 4-for-4 day, Both Bierlein and Carpenter complimented their homeruns with a double and four RBI.

Luke Saunders led CNU with a hit and two RBI while Steven Lindemuth hit a homerun in the seventh. Jason Jenkins picks up the loss after giving up 11 runs, 10 of them earned, on 10 hits in two innings of work.

The Yellow Jackets return to Newport News Wednesday, February 17th, to take on the Captains for a 2:00 p.m. game.

--YELLOW JACKETS--




2/14/2010 5:34:18 PM

DANVILLE, Va. — A five-run second inning doomed Averett in a 5-0 loss to Guilford College on Sunday at Owen-Fulton Field.


Guilford (2-1) put its first two batters on board and sacrificed them over a base. Senior Zack Ward, making his debut on the mound for Averett (2-2), notched a strikeout for the second out and it appeared the Cougars might escape unharmed. However, the Quakers plated five runs that inning — two on wild pitches, two on RBI singles and one thanks to an error.

From there, Averett kept Guilford off the scoreboard. Yet, a day after their offense couldn't miss, the Cougars couldn't manage to get any breaks when they were at the plate. Averett left nine runners on base.

Guilford used five different pitchers to shut out the Cougars. Will James earned the win after allowing just one hit in two innings of relief work.

Ward went seven innings and took the loss. Junior Adam Higgins accounted for two of Averett's six hits.

Sunday's game finished up play in the USA South/ODAC Challenge. Averett returns to action on Tuesday when it hosts Southern Virginia University at 2 p.m.



Roanoke College (6) Ferrum (5) at Averett University

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 14, 2010, 06:55:39 PM
NCWC loses opener to VWC 9-6.  Really weird game...lead changes back and forth.  Had a 6-4 lead I believe in the 5th or 6th but 2 run HR by Mike Marion hurt the Bishops.  Hard to keep up with the game, since scoreboard was not on and there were no players announcement of who was hitting or pitching.

You figure with all the money VWC brings in with it's 45+ player roster, they would at least turn on the scoreboard and announce the players.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 14, 2010, 07:54:37 PM
Marion's two-run homer helps Marlins win opener

February 14, 2010

VIRGINIA BEACH -- Mike Marion has picked up in 2010 where he left off in 2009.

The senior slugger from Springfield, Virginia (Alexandria Hayfield) emerged with the big bat once again for the Virginia Wesleyan College baseball Marlins as he ripped a two-run home run on Sunday to help send the Marlins to a 9-6 non-conference victory over perennial USA South Athletic Conference title contender North Carolina Wesleyan College.



Marion set VWC's single-season home run record last season, belting 12, and recorded his first of 2010 in the sixth inning to spoil an NCWC comeback.  The Bishops used a four-run surge in the top of the sixth to open up a 6-4 lead, before Virginia Wesleyan responded with three runs in the bottom of the inning to push in front 7-6.  Marion rip into left center field scored two runs to give the Marlins a lead they would not relinquish.

Rookie Josh Miller (Norfolk, Va./Chesapeake Greenbrier Christian) started VWC's sixth with a double into left.  He advanced on a wild pitch and scored when senior Matt Elliot (Centrville, Va./Chantilly Westfield) hit the left side again with a single.  The veteran Bishops, defending USASAC champions, recovered long enough to record a pair of outs, before senior Max Axelrod (Chesapeake, Va./Greenbrier Christian) waited out the pitching to draw a walk.  Marion followed him in the lineup and came through with the lead-taking blast.

Virginia Wesleyan's defense and the pitching of junior Alex DeJesus (Norfolk, Va./Lake Taylor) and sophomore Cameron Butler (Virginia Beach/Landstown) retired the next six consecutive Bishops and allowed just a pair of singles from Daniel Moore (Nashville, N.C./Northern Nash) and Justin Rahm (Sugar Hill, Ga./North Gwinnett) in the top of the ninth. Butler struck out NCWC's final two batters in the ninth to end the game.

While the Bishops were unable to score in the final three innings, the Marlins put the game away with a two-run eighth, helped by an RBI-single by sophomore Mike McCutcheon (Chesapeake, Va./Deep Creek) and a Bishop error.  Rookie Pike Brynildsen (Alexandria, Va./T.C. Williams) led off the inning with a single.

Virginia Wesleyan took the lead early, scoring four runs in the bottom of the second inning.  VWC's first six batters reached base in the inning, which started with a McCutcheon single to left, and a run-scoring double to left from sophomore Gage Collins (Newport News, Va./Menchville).  Elliot came through with a scoring hit and Marion scored another Marlin on a sacrifice fly.

NCWC cut into VWC's 4-0 lead with solo runs in the fourth and fifth innings, before taking the lead with the four-run sixth.  The Bishops belted three hits in the inning, highlighted by Joel Creef's two-run double to right.

The visiting Bishops finished with a 10-9 edge in hits overall, led by Patrick Laffin (Norwell, Mass./Norwell), Moore and Rahm with two each.  Elliot, Marion and McCutcheon connected with two hits each for Virginia Wesleyan.  Marion finished 2-for-2, driving in four runs, and scoring two.  Elliot recorded three RBI.

Both teams utilized deep pitching staffs, using five hurlers each.  Rookie Davis Hall (Reston, Va./Herndon) sstarted for Virginia Wesleyan and worked four innings, scattering four hits and striking out two batters.  Junior Gary Bulman (Chesapeake, Va./Greenbrier Christian) followed for an inning, before senior Kevin Finder (Asheville, N.C./Asheville) entered and worked long enough to pick up the win.  DeJesus and Butler finished out for the Marlins.  The VWC staff struck out seven batters.  Chad Womble (Rocky Mount, N.C./Rocky Mount) absorbed the loss for NCWC.

Virginia Wesleyan returns to competition on Wednesday, Feb. 17, hosting No. 7 ranked Salisbury University at Marlins Field at 2:30 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 14, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
RE: CNU game. When a pitcher doesn't have it, he doesn't have it, and it should be obvious before 11 runs come in. It's not fair to him or the team to dig such a big hole so early in the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 15, 2010, 02:12:03 PM
                Jenkins went out after 4 runs and one inning; the guys in the press box doing the Automated Scorebook had all kinds of errors-players in the lineup that graduated, pitching change not caught, etc.   To be fair, the Automated Scorebook is a horribly designed program-DOS based if you can believe that, and when pitching changes and substitutions aren't signaled by the umpires or coaches, sometimes changes get missed, BUT the press box view at CNU is great so those guys need to pay closer attention. 

          If you want to get rich, design a good Windows based, point and click score-keeping program-you'll be able to retire within 5 years. The Automated Scorebook is very unforgiving on errors-trying to correct a mistake is a nightmare.   Hopefully the coaches will go in and fix the scorebook for game 2. (Perhaps wipe out a few RMC runs while they're at it. ;D)

        Randolph Macon hit the blue blazes out of the ball; I guess the newest training technique is to keep your guys indoors as RMC has been out very little, but looked to be in mid-season form. Very impressive.   

         Tough weekend and a tough start for the Captains-lots of walks surrendered Friday, and it rained 2 run homers Sunday, but nothing hard work can't fix. Lots of season left.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 15, 2010, 07:09:40 PM
2/14/2010 7:11:30 PM
FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. - Methodist jumped out early on Bridgewater in game one for an 8-3 win before the Eagles came from behind to win the second game 10-3.


The Monarchs (3-1) took the early lead with three runs in the first inning of game on RBIs from Brian Inghram, Shawn Lovette and Brian Halpin. Bridgewater (1-1) came back with an unearned run in the second, but Methodist added a run of their own in the bottom of the second after Tripp Lancaster drew the walk, stole second and scored on Brian Goodwin's single up the middle.

Bridgewater cut the lead to two with a run in the fifth, but Methodist responded again after Xavier Mayo doubled down the left field line, moved to third on a wild pitch and scored on Lancaster's sacrifice fly for the 5-2 lead. The Monarchs came back with two runs in the sixth on a RBI double from Trey Such and a RBI single from Tyler Younger to score Such. Both teams scored a run in the eighth, but Methodist prevailed with the 8-3 win.

Landon Jordan earned his second win on the mound in seven innings pitched allowing just one earned run. Kurt Kelly finished in relief striking out two in two innings.

Lancaster finished 2-for-2 at the plate while Goodwin went 2-for-4 and Younger was 3-for-5. Halpin had two RBIs in the game.

In the second game, Bridgewater scored an early run in the top of the first, but Methodist came back and took the lead in the bottom of the inning on a two-RBI double from Such. The Eagles tied the game in the second inning after a lead-off walk and two hits. Neither team could regain the lead in the third or fourth innings, but Bridgewater went ahead 4-2 in the fifth.

Inghram had a RBI single in the bottom of the fifth to move within one, but Bridgewater finished with a run in each of the sixth, seventh and eighth innings for tacking on three in the ninth to win 10-3.

Tre Britt took the loss on the mound going six innings with two strikeouts. Rusty White and John Markley entered in relief.

The Monarchs finished with five players each grabbing a hit. Such led with two RBI.

The Monarchs will host Lynchburg on Wednesday for a 4 p.m. start.




2/14/2010 8:32:13 PM
Greensboro, NC -- Michael Manfro (Fauquier, VA/Notre Dame Academy) was the winning pitcher and Murray Smith (Williston, SC/Williston-Elko High School) and Matt Irwin (Asburn, VA/Stone Bridge) had big days at the plate as Greensboro College defeated Lynchburg, 9-8, in the first game of a season opening DH on Sunday. The win was the first college victory for GC Head Coach Matt Aker. Lynchburg rallied to win the night cap, 15-4.


Irwin went 3-4 with a double and 3 RBI. Smith hit his first Pride home run and was 2-3 with 3 RBI. Michael Parker (Snow Camp, NC/Southern Alamance) also had 2 hits for GC. Manfro gave up 5 runs, struck 3 and walked 3. LC scored 7 runs in the sixth and one in the final inning.

In game two, the Hornets recorded 19 hits. Starter Trey Daniel took the defeat for The Pride. Logan Beasley (Liberty, NC/Eastern Randolph High School) went 2-3 to lead GC hitters.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2010, 08:23:35 PM
No USAFan, let's follow guidelines.

Give us a few pertinent lines and post the hyperlink to drive the traffic to the site.

Part of that SID's job may be evaluated by how many hits his stories are bringing to the website.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 15, 2010, 09:50:09 PM
Hokie One: Thanks for the clarification.  After trying to follow the first game via live stats, I wanted to quit my job, go to Newport News and volunteer to be the scorekeeper...

It's been a tough start for the Captains but the season is young.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 15, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
I guess CNU has a little roster updating to tend to: the "Official" boxscore still charges Jenkins with 11 runs in 2.0 innings.  It also lists Zach Hutchinson and Eric Cole in the lineup, two former CNU players.

I guess it's a just a little too cold for baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 15, 2010, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2010, 08:23:35 PM
No USAFan, let's follow guidelines.

Give us a few pertinent lines and post the hyperlink to drive the traffic to the site.

Part of that SID's job may be evaluated by how many hits his stories are bringing to the website.

Sorry, will do.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 16, 2010, 07:04:15 AM
Eric Cole WAS there, but seated in the stands as he graduated last spring.  :)    Hutchinson checked out about 1/3rd of the way through last season. The bad thing is you have some freshmen, excited to get in their first college game, and they see the box score...     I'm sure they'll get all of that fixed, but the software is truly a pain, yet it's pretty much used in every conference, every level, and every summer wooden bat league.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 16, 2010, 11:10:06 AM
Hokie One: Is Ben Lenda playing? He's listed in the word doc roster (in the athletic communications link), but not on the 2010 posted roster.  I thought he made a solid contribution to the team last year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 16, 2010, 11:11:08 AM
Never mind.  The roster has been fixed to include Ben Lenda.  Should have checked before posting. Sorry.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 16, 2010, 02:03:22 PM
CNU updated the stats from the RMC game:
http://www.cnusports.com/custompages/baseball/stats/2010/cnub0214.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 16, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
Sure enough. Thanks.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 16, 2010, 05:17:55 PM
Ben Lenda is playing, but got a nasty cut on his throwing arm in the bullpen this weekend that required stitches, and I think he'll be out a few games. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 17, 2010, 08:58:44 AM
hopefully cnu can turn it around today with a rematch against rmc!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 17, 2010, 01:12:31 PM
NCWC will have a tough weekend with 2 games against Cortland State and Emory.  Should be a good early test for the pitching to see how deep the staff is going to look. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 17, 2010, 01:36:15 PM
just drove by captains park and the wind wasnt blowing straight out again, so hopefully some of those big flys will stay in the park today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on February 17, 2010, 01:45:29 PM
Lynchburg at Methodist today at 4 in Fayetteville.  Should be a good early test for both teams...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 17, 2010, 04:34:14 PM
CNU rebounds with win over RMC this afternoon by the score of 10 to 3.

R   H   E
03-06-04 ... RMC
10-13-01 ... CNU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 17, 2010, 04:41:22 PM
Nice to have the bats come alive and the pitching solid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on February 17, 2010, 08:25:03 PM
Methodist 3, Lynchburg 2 in 10 innings today.  LC bats were cold and Monarch pitching was hot; 14 K's for the LC batters.  LC is now 2-2 vs. the USA South Conference.  And since there's still about a half foot of snow on Fox Field in Lynchburg, they may be spending even more time than planned in North Carolina over the next month...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 17, 2010, 09:28:38 PM
Methodist     ip    h    r    er    bb    so    wp    bk    hbp    ibb    ab    bf    fo    go
BRITT, Tre      1.0    2    1    1    2    1    0    0    0    0    4    7    1    1
KELLY, Kurt      1.0    0    0    0    0    2    0    0    0    0    3    3    0    1
ENNIS, Hunter     2.0    2    0    0    2    2    1    0    1    0    8    11    1    2
WILLINGHAM,      2.0    1    0    0    0    3    0    0    0    0    7    7    2    1
MARKLEY, John    2.0    0    0    0    1    3    0    0    0    0    7    8    2    1
WHITE, Rusty      2.0    2    1    0    0    2    0    0    0    0    8    8    1    3

White picks up the win. Nice work by all, several freshman looked good.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BaseballFan10 on February 18, 2010, 12:18:31 AM
Great game vs Methodist and Lynchburg today. Lynchburg bats struggled all day and Methodist seemed to hit the ball all day. Methodist staff day strategy was very effective and they all looked pretty good. Brian Inghram was impressive going 4-5 with 2r and an rbi. LC's Breedlove came on to bail his team out of a tough jam, bases loaded no outs, in the bottom of the ninth but eventually picked up a tough loss in the tenth on a soft line drive over a drawn in infield. Looked like Methodist Catcher T. Such got jammed a little bit but was able to get enough barrel on the ball and get just get it over the 2nd baseman's head. Tough loss for LC and Big win for Methodist.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 18, 2010, 07:08:27 AM
           Nice job on the mulligan by CNU against Randolph-Macon. Brinkman, freshman Ryan Fleischmann, who gets his first college win, and Malvagna, all pitched extremely well, the Captains' bats looked more like we expected.  Perhaps RMC was still tired from running the bases all day Sunday   ;D   

        Good thing too as now the Captains face, over a 5 day period, Piedmont, Rowan (twice), Bridgewater, and Virginia Wesleyan.  The weather forecast looks like "Groundhog Day"-every day, low 40's, "brisk", etc.  At least the field is playable and we don't have to go to Myrtle Beach to get games in, although it looks like Shenandoah will get  a couple days of upper 50's and sunshine weather, no doubt a welcome respite from the 24" of snow in Winchester...that doesn't seem to be in a hurry to melt. No such thing as a bad beach trip.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 18, 2010, 08:24:52 AM
Agreed great win for CNU!!! Looks like CNU had a solid day from their outfield Shannon Mark, Drue Vernon, and Connor Madden tallied 8 of CNU's 13 hits!!! They also looked very solid defensivly all the way around
Obviously losing Eric Cole and Mike Giarrizzi was a big loss for CNU, but these three have stepped right in and done a good job

Player                avg  gp-gs  ab  r  h  2b  3b  hr  rbi  tb  slg%  bb  hbp  so  gdp  ob%  sf  sh  sb-att  po  a  e  fld%
MARK, Shannon   .462  3-3  13  3  6  0  1  0  2  8  .615  0  0  2  0  .462  0  0  1-1  5  0  0  1.000 
MADDEN, Connor   .444  3-3  9  3  4  1  0  0  1  5  .556  1  0  2  0  .500  0  0  1-1  2  0  1   .667 
VERNON, Drue   .273  3-3  11  2  3  1  0  0  4  4  .364  1  3  2  1  .467  0  0  2-2  7  1  0     1.000 

Parker Neal has also filled some big shoes at shortstop for Trae Bailey so far
Player              avg  gp-gs  ab  r  h  2b  3b  hr  rbi  tb  slg%  bb  hbp  so  gdp  ob%  sf  sh  sb-att  po  a  e  fld%
NEAL, Parker   .500  3-3  12  4  6  1  1  0  2  9  .750  0  0  0  0  .500  0  0  0-0  7  12  2  .905 



I know that it is very early but it is nice to see players stepping up in places that were filled by big players in CNU's success the past few years
GO CAPTAINS!!!




Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 18, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
I know it's very early, but I am still picking Methodist this year.

4-1 Methodist
2-1 Greensboro
3-2 Averett
1-2 CNU
0-0 Shenandoah
0-1 Ferrum
0-1 N.C. Wesleyan
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2010, 01:19:58 PM
i wasn't able to get make it to armstrong-shelley field yesterday...work is very busy...but i like what i see in the box score - 14 k's for monarch pitching is nice and it's good to see inghram starting to warm up - through 5 games the monarch pitchers have really pulled mu through...if they can keep it up as the offense comes around, things could get really nice for the monarchs
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 18, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
Four games this weekend will really tell us where MU is. they will have to deep into their pitching staff to cover all of the innings. The good news is the temps for the weekend should be in the 60's. Starting to feel like baseball weather.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 18, 2010, 09:35:16 PM
Greensboro (6) Guilford (11)

Bridgewater (9) Averett (11)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 19, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
It should be a good weekend for baseball in the USA-South, with every team playing multiple games. It will be a nice test for pitching depth.

SU vs. Richard Stockton (3 times) and Bates

CNU vs. Piedmont, Rowan (2 times), and Bridgewater

MU vs. Farmingdale, Huntingdon, Frostburg, and Roanoke

NCWC vs. Cortland State (2 times) and Emory (2 times)

Greensboro vs. Stevenson (2 times) and Neumann

Ferrum vs. Rutgers-Camden and Waynesburg

Averett vs. Maine-Presque Isle, Case Western Reserve, and Eastern Mennonite
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 19, 2010, 05:00:21 PM
Whoa.  That was an interesting ninth inning defensively for CNU.  They hang on to win against Piedmont 13-12.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 19, 2010, 05:31:12 PM
I should add that it is good to see some new and lesser-used pitchers getting some valuable experience on the mound for the Captains. According to live stats, five saw action. McElhenny, Goldsmith and Harsanyi had good outings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2010, 09:55:20 PM
no box score, but the monarchs get a 14-2 win over farmingdale state...farmingdale was a 30-17 world series team last year, but they got hammered by a combined 27-3 by frostburg and mu today...tough trip down so far for the rams
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 19, 2010, 10:37:45 PM
Methodist (14) Farmingdale State College (2)

CNU (13) Piedmont (12)

Averett (27) Maine Presque Isle (10)

Cortland St. (7) N.C. Wesleyan (0)


5-1    MU
5-2    AU
2-2    CNU
2-2    GB
0-0    SU
0-1    FC
0-2    NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 19, 2010, 11:05:30 PM
NCWC loses 7-0 to a very good Cortland State team.  Score is not an indicative of the game.  Game was much closer than that.  3 runs given up in the 9th by our closer made game seem out of hand.

Great to see 2 sophomores that saw almost no time last year do a great job in the mound in Wessell and Costa.  Hoping tomorrow vs Emory bats will come alive.  Season still young.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 20, 2010, 08:39:51 PM
   CNU tops Rowan, 5-3, with excellent pitching performances by Chitsaz, who got the win going 6, Fleischmann, Harsanyi, and Malvagna, who got his second save.  Captains' defense was a little shakey early, but settled down nicely, making some nice plays to keep the door shut.   Rowan broke a 8-8 tie to defeat Bridgewater in the bottom of ninth in the day's second game. Rowan had jumped out to an early 5-2 lead.  As is true with many schools, this was Rowan's first outdoor work of the "spring", and I use  that term loosely. 

   Temperature was in the 50's, and tomorrow is supposed to be a carbon copy. Finally!   

   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 20, 2010, 10:07:43 PM
NCWC came back after loosing 7-0 to Cortland State with a 6-4 win over South Region rival Emory.  Nice job by LHP Max Knowles, battling control issues all day to throw 6 innings, 2 unearned runs, 5 BB and 7 K's.  With Freshman starting behind the plate, this will be a learning curve.   I hope to see freshman JJ Allen in lineup again tomorrow.  This kid can hit!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 20, 2010, 10:52:42 PM
Rowan (3) CNU (5)          

Emory (4) N.C. Wesleyan (6)    

Case Western Reserve (9) Averett (12)      
Case Western Reserve (1) Averett (5)

Huntingdon (8) Methodist (3)         
Frostburg St. (9) Methodist (4)

Richard Stockton (11) Shenandoah (10)       
Bates (8) Shenandoah (9)
   
Stevenson (11) Greensboro (10)
Stevenson (3) Greensboro (1)

7-2    AU
5-3    MU
3-2    CNU
1-1    SU
1-2    NCW
2-4    GB
0-1    FC
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 21, 2010, 05:07:01 PM
CNU came up with two nice wins today.  I have no details on the first game against Rowan.  But they edged Bridgewater 4-3 in the second game, highlighted by Josh Brinkman's dominating nine inning performance.  1BB, 9Ks, 0 ER.

Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pauperboy on February 21, 2010, 06:32:49 PM
Averett should be 9-2 with 7 wins coming against teams that went a combined 50-100 last season. We will see how good there are when they play Greensboro, H-S, and Methodist coming up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 21, 2010, 07:50:36 PM
Richard Stockton (0) Shenandoah (6)
Richard Stockton (7) Shenandoah (11)

Rowan (2) CNU (15)
Bridgewater (3) CNU (4)      
            
EMU (8) Averett (9)   
EMU (2) Averett (6)   

Neumann (8) Greensboro (12)
      
Emory (3) N.C. Wesleyan (11)    
Cortland St. (10) N.C. Wesleyan (2)
      
Ferrum (6) Rutgers-Camden (4)
Ferrum (9) Waynesburg (6)

Roanoke (0) Methodist (9)


Current standings with the above results:

AVERETT is off to a fast start and appears to have caught on FIRE!

9-2    AU
3-1    SU
5-2    CNU
6-3    MU
2-1    FC
2-3    NCW
3-4    GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 21, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
    Nice job by CNU starting pitching, 4 games, every starter went at least 5 innings, 5 earned runs total. Bullpen was equally up to the  task. The hitting is coming along nicely with a nice mix of lefty and righty hitters puttting up 37 runs in four games.  Rowan will get better-this was their first outdoor work-, Bridgewater played really well on Sunday, and Piedmont went down and swept a DH from VWC. CNU's team ERA dropped by 4 runs per game and team batting average  jumped up to .319. All in all a pretty solid weekend after a dreadful first two games.   The USAS indeed has a lot of talent this year; conference play starts next weekend, let the dog fight begin!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 01:08:10 PM
It looks like it's going to be another great year in the USA South. CNU and Methodist are looking strong like always. Averett has won 7 straight and is off to a 9-2 start, but people still think they  can't contend. And I am not gonna look up the records for every team they have played but I highly doubt they have a combined record of 50-100 ::). But, Bridgewater who Averett handled pretty easy was 23-17 last season and Case Western Reserve recently swept Guilford. So a teams record does not mean too much. The USA South has a lot of talent in it and this season should be very interesting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
Quote from: Pauperboy on February 21, 2010, 06:32:49 PM
Averett should be 9-2 with 7 wins coming against teams that went a combined 50-100 last season. We will see how good there are when they play Greensboro, H-S, and Methodist coming up.

Quote from: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 01:08:10 PMAnd I am not gonna look up the records for every team they have played but I highly doubt they have a combined record of 50-100 ::).
it appears to me that you won't have to look up the record of every team they have played....pauperboy did (by the way, it's not that difficult if you use d3baseball.com...the best source for division III baseball information)

roanoke went 10-21 last year, umpi went 14 - ? (I couldn't find their win-loss record...just a win total), cwr went 13-32 and emu went 13-21-1...that's 50-74 w/o any losses for umpi...and they didn't go 14-0 last year :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
2 tough losses for the monarchs over the weekend (bookended by 2 wins)...i was a bit surprised by the frostburg state outcome...i thought they were pretty bad when i saw them play last year (although they did end up winning 25 games) - although it was a 9-4 loss, the monarchs actually led going into the 7th, but the wheels fell off late...that's going to happen with young arms, and the monarchs threw 5 frosh against the bobcats - hopefully they will learn from that experience and be better for it...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 22, 2010, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: narch on February 22, 2010, 01:43:03 PM

it appears to me that you won't have to look up the record of every team they have played....pauperboy did (by the way, it's not that difficult if you use d3baseball.com...the best source for division III baseball information)


It will be easier to get schedules for this year as all D-III games will be on the D3baseball.com scoreboard.  When it comes to OWP and OOWP the numbers should be trivial to calculate for all schools.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
roanoke went 10-21 last year, umpi went 14 - ? (I couldn't find their win-loss record...just a win total), cwr went 13-32 and emu went 13-21-1...that's 50-74 w/o any losses for umpi...and they didn't go 14-0 last year

Regardless of how many loses UMPI had last year you still forgot to count Bridgewater, which was apart of the winning streak, who went 23-17 which would make it 73-91, so all I'm saying is the numbers were blown out of proportion.  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 22, 2010, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 09, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AM
Shenandoah is no secret - they will be the team to beat this year.  That said, there are several teams bunched up right behind them ready to take their place.

If you don't bring your A-game then you will not win in the USA-South.  From what I saw last year during the USA-South tourney and with what everyone has returning.

1-Methodist
2-SU
3-NCWC
4-CNU
5-Ferrum
6-Greensboro
7-Averett




I know it's early but I may have missed the boat on Averett as well as everyone else ... BUT this upcoming weekend is opening for conference play which will tell a lot about everyone!


Preseason Ranking by USA-South Coaches:
(Rank/Pts/Team/1st place votes)

1.    (35) Shenandoah (5)    
2.    (29) Methodist    
3.    (25) NCW (1)    
4.    (24) CNU (1)    
5.    (17) Ferrum    
6.    (09) Greensboro
7.    (08) Averett    


Current Standings:

9-2    AU
3-1    SU
5-2    CNU
6-3    MU
2-1    FC
2-3    NCW
3-4    GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 04:58:52 PM
Yep the first weekend of conference play will determine alot! But just a side note, Shenandoah has only beaten Bates who went 12-22 and Richard Stockton who went 15-17 last year...not to mention they lost to Richard Stockton once. (Since everyone is concerned about teams records from the year before) So, they have only beaten teams who are a combined 27-39, does that take away from those wins?? I think not.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 22, 2010, 05:23:17 PM
I think everyone learned that lesson last year with regard to Shenandoah.  They played a pretty "weak" schedule early in the season and then went on to the D3 world series.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 22, 2010, 05:44:25 PM
NCWC finished so so weekend.  Beat EMORY twice and lost to #17 Cortland State twice.  I think I counted 33 of 42 players on Red Dragons roster were over 6'0"...big boys.  Pitching was great for NCWC as I saw many young arms do well and both our nbr 1 and 2's get a win.  Bats were dreadful until last game of the tournament vs. Emory.  Hopefully we can keep it going vs RMC Wednesday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
So I was checking out the rosters/stats for the teams in the USA South so far and when I got to CNU their slugger Despins has only played in 3 games? Does anyone who follow the Captains know why he is not playing? Is he injured?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2010, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 02:27:26 PMRegardless of how many loses UMPI had last year you still forgot to count Bridgewater, which was apart of the winning streak, who went 23-17 which would make it 73-91, so all I'm saying is the numbers were blown out of proportion.  ;D
read the original post by pauperboy...he said "7 wins coming against teams that went a combined 50-100 last season", so I'm assuming that the BC win wasn't in the mix...

i, for one, am happy to see au off to a 9-2 start (good for the conference), but honestly, against that competition, i would expect EVERY usasac team to have a similar record just as I would expect most usasac schools to have a 6-3 or better record against the mu schedule or a 3-1 record against the su schedule - i think the point is that averett hasn't done anything that should surprise anyone who has followed this conference, yet...and as vabaseball correctly points out, a weak non-conference schedule doesn't necessarily hurt a team in the long run...su parlayed a weak ooc schedule into a 4th place usasac finish and a shot in the regional and made the absolute best of it last year....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 22, 2010, 07:29:46 PM
Well BC was in the mix of the winning streak...but I totally agree a weak nonconference schedule does not hurt a team one bit! I am excited for conference play to start to see how the teams in the conference will match up against each other!  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 23, 2010, 09:26:32 AM
I don't put to much stock into the first games of the season, especially this year as it was the first time a lot of the coaches got to see what they had. I think that conference play will determine a lot as they now know what they have and how they are going to use it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 23, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
Re: Despins.  I heard he's not playing anymore but that is the extent of my knowledge. Well the extent of my knowledge of that particular subject anyway.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Reading over the past couple pages, I've seen a couple of you bickering back and forth about opponents W-L record and schedule strength. Historically speaking, Shenandoah and Averett would play a team of blind, deaf mutes if possible...thus the reason they usually don't garner much respect. Last year, however, Shenandoah took that OOC "schedule" (I thought they should have been called "advanced practices", but whatever) and gained confidence, turned that confidence into victories, and those victories resulted in the best year in school history.

I do agree with what a couple of you said above in that tough OOC games usually aren't rewarded. A tough loss to a good team from your respective region seemingly gets less respect than beating the piss out of Philadelphia Bible Virgin School (if that is a real university...sorry). It makes absolutely no sense to me, but obviously Shenandoah did something with it last year so maybe we should all start doing that, who knows.

As far as Averett is concerned, watch out!! The Roaring Lions of Penn State Fayette come storming into town March 11!! I hear they have a short stop with one leg and play with invisible runners...look to take advantage of that!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 10:15:45 AM
By the way, I don't play for CNU anymore...just to clarify...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 23, 2010, 11:27:13 AM
Well it sounds like you want the bickering to continue some more with the way you are trying to dog both Averett and Shenandoah. If I remember correctly CNU lost to both of them last year, so it seems to not matter who they are playing. Also, I am sure the players would much rather be beating teams then getting beat 20-2 or whatever that beating was CNU took for RMC.  :o
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 23, 2010, 11:32:30 AM
Yep CNU has had its share of beatings.  And a nice 5 game winning streak since the RMC blowout including a 10-3 win over RMC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 23, 2010, 01:54:05 PM
As for last year CNU also made the regional tournament for the second straight year, when was the last time Averett did that? If you had any baseball knowledge you would know that any team can beat any one on any given day.  Yes Averette did beat CNU last year, but they also lost to them on the same day.  If your comparing CNU and AU then you have to look at how far they made it last year. On another note, Im not going to say SU was a bad team last year, because they could hit the dog piss out of the baseball,  but they are living proof that the best team every year doesnt win, its all about who gets hot at the right time.  Any team could lose every game in the regular season and win the conference tournament and go to regionals win that and see themselves playin the the world series. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 23, 2010, 02:02:58 PM
Well my baseball knowledge must be pretty good because you are exactly right any team can beat anyone on any given day! ;) And no I wasn't comparing teams because Averett hasn't done anything worth comparing in the past few years, and like you said CNU has made it to the regionals 2 consecutive years. With all the talent in the USA South every team should be able to beat each other..its just whose hot at the right time like you previously mentioned! ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 02:45:55 PM
Couldn't agree more. A lot of what cnufan typed is exactly what I was going to say, so I will repeat none of that. You see, usasouthisnumber1, when you do your homework, you report all of the findings, not just the information to support whatever measly argument it is that you're trying to make.

Nobody likes losing to anybody, much less by the score of 20-4. However, as a team you learn much more about yourself after a loss like that than you do beating Case Western Reserve University or the University of Maine-Presque Isle (are those seriously real teams or did Averett just slap uniforms on the band and run them out there for 9 innings?). That glaring 20-4 loss looks awful on the schedule, but to see CNU repond by going 5-0 (beating teams such as Rowan, RMC, Bridgewater, and Piedmont) shows that not only are they capable of overcoming adversity, but that they're a pretty darn good ball club as well.

Due to Shenandoah's success in the post season last year, they will (and should be) given the benefit of the doubt that, despite the weak schedule, they are an incredibly good ball club as well. I wasn't trying to "dog" Shenandoah, I was stating the obvious...the OOC schedule was terrible. But they proved they were also capable of hanging with the big boys as they beat some darn good teams on their way to the world series, thus the reason they are being given that benefit of the doubt unless they prove otherwise.

At this point all we know about is Averett is that they're capable of beating teams that pitch under-handed...over-handed is a totally different ball game. I'm sure we'll see how good they are tomorrow when they travel to face the traditionial power that is the Fighting Maroons of Roanoke College! It appears that the Maroons' pitching staff allows around 8 runs a game, so all of them might not throw over-hand, but hopefully they'll get to exerpience a couple guys that do. I expect Averett to use this as a measuring stick before the Roaring Lions of Penn State Fayette come to town in a few weeks!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 23, 2010, 02:53:04 PM
ok well then how are you comparing CNU and AU over the past few seasons? Because CNU lost a few games to CNU and AU last season?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2010, 04:03:49 PM
Checking box scores of recent games. Nice to see Matt Shoemaker on the CNU team. He was at Va Tech last year and played in many games. I think he started a few at SS as well. But I could be wrong. Anyway - watch this guy. My son played LL ball with him - he's a real deal. Also, nice to see Alex Nuttycomb on the Bridgewater roster. Another good player. My son played JV ball with Alex. Nice kid. Nice family with CNU roots as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 05:06:29 PM
By the way JH (you know who I'm talking to...Parker told me you read this stuff), when your Shenandoah career is done I better see both you and Parker on the softball fields! Hopefully you both get a chance to continue your respective baseball careers, but if not we're gonna save a spot for the both of you on Envoy Softball. If I recall correctly, I think Carl (one of the old guys on our team) talked to you sometime over the summer about that. Either way, good luck this season...I'll get your cell number from Parker and we'll have to grab a couple beers at some point (on a non-game night of course)...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 23, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 02:45:55 PM
Couldn't agree more. A lot of what cnufan typed is exactly what I was going to say, so I will repeat none of that. You see, usasouthisnumber1, when you do your homework, you report all of the findings, not just the information to support whatever measly argument it is that you're trying to make.

Nobody likes losing to anybody, much less by the score of 20-4. However, as a team you learn much more about yourself after a loss like that than you do beating Case Western Reserve University or the University of Maine-Presque Isle (are those seriously real teams or did Averett just slap uniforms on the band and run them out there for 9 innings?). That glaring 20-4 loss looks awful on the schedule, but to see CNU repond by going 5-0 (beating teams such as Rowan, RMC, Bridgewater, and Piedmont) shows that not only are they capable of overcoming adversity, but that they're a pretty darn good ball club as well.

Due to Shenandoah's success in the post season last year, they will (and should be) given the benefit of the doubt that, despite the weak schedule, they are an incredibly good ball club as well. I wasn't trying to "dog" Shenandoah, I was stating the obvious...the OOC schedule was terrible. But they proved they were also capable of hanging with the big boys as they beat some darn good teams on their way to the world series, thus the reason they are being given that benefit of the doubt unless they prove otherwise.

At this point all we know about is Averett is that they're capable of beating teams that pitch under-handed...over-handed is a totally different ball game. I'm sure we'll see how good they are tomorrow when they travel to face the traditionial power that is the Fighting Maroons of Roanoke College! It appears that the Maroons' pitching staff allows around 8 runs a game, so all of them might not throw over-hand, but hopefully they'll get to exerpience a couple guys that do. I expect Averett to use this as a measuring stick before the Roaring Lions of Penn State Fayette come to town in a few weeks!

I don't understand how you are still going to "dog" Averett this bad..I don't know what type of grudge you have against them, but Case Western Reserve swept Guilford College and Averett also beat Bridgewater who is also a great team. I know WMPI is a terrible team, but if you check the box score they had no starters playing and let pitchers play as well (And still put up 28 runs). And I am not sure what homework I need to do because there was no point I was trying to make. But I am done talking about Averett and who they played, or haven't played from your point of few.  :-X
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 23, 2010, 09:16:38 PM
While all of this is entertaining it will all be moot come this weekend. With conference games this weekend the conversation should be who will win the season and who will be hot for the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 10:26:28 PM
The conversation can/should/will be about whatever it is on everybodys respective minds...that's sorta the point of a message board...to type a message...hence the "message" portion of the name. To make a statement on who I feel will win the season or which team will be hot for the tourny would be both ill-informed and foolish. It's impossible to predict who will be hot 30 games down the road. I certainly hope it's CNU, but I have no friggin clue what kind of team they will be, or anybody else will be for that matter. I haven't had the opportunity to review the weekend schedule, but all I know is that CNU is going to have it's hands full with Methodist this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 23, 2010, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 10:26:28 PM
The conversation can/should/will be about whatever it is on everybodys respective minds...that's sorta the point of a message board...to type a message...hence the "message" portion of the name. To make a statement on who I feel will win the season or which team will be hot for the tourny would be both ill-informed and foolish. It's impossible to predict who will be hot 30 games down the road. I certainly hope it's CNU, but I have no friggin clue what kind of team they will be, or anybody else will be for that matter. I haven't had the opportunity to review the weekend schedule, but all I know is that CNU is going to have it's hands full with Methodist this weekend.

Well sorry I said anything and I was just trying tosay that the season and tourney are the important parts. I will refrain from any further "messages" as I am not as eloquent as CNUball25 or as knowledgeable. Hope everyone has a great year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 24, 2010, 06:06:47 AM
Please don't disappear from the board Boysofsummer.  Team loyalties, insights and differing opinions make the board interesting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 24, 2010, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on February 23, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Reading over the past couple pages, I've seen a couple of you bickering back and forth about opponents W-L record and schedule strength. Historically speaking, Shenandoah and Averett would play a team of blind, deaf mutes if possible...thus the reason they usually don't garner much respect. Last year, however, Shenandoah took that OOC "schedule" (I thought they should have been called "advanced practices", but whatever) and gained confidence, turned that confidence into victories, and those victories resulted in the best year in school history.

I do agree with what a couple of you said above in that tough OOC games usually aren't rewarded. A tough loss to a good team from your respective region seemingly gets less respect than beating the piss out of Philadelphia Bible Virgin School (if that is a real university...sorry). It makes absolutely no sense to me, but obviously Shenandoah did something with it last year so maybe we should all start doing that, who knows.

As far as Averett is concerned, watch out!! The Roaring Lions of Penn State Fayette come storming into town March 11!! I hear they have a short stop with one leg and play with invisible runners...look to take advantage of that!!


Are not "at large bids" awarded to teams based on their "in-region" record?

Based on that, SU must of done something correct or they would not of been awarded the "at large bid", correct?

After everyone within the USA-South played their entire regular season, the NCAA rule book awarded both CNU and SU "at large" bids.

Enough said on who played teams considered "advanced practices" and who played the teams with "one legged ShortStops".

Bottom-line, everyone had an equal opportunity to receive an "at large" bid based on their "in-region" won/loss record and the other primary selection criteria.



Selection Criteria:

Primary Criteria

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the rankings/
selection process only.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.



Secondary Criteria

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be
reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria
introduce results against out-of-region Division III and all other opponents including those contests
versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).

• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 24, 2010, 08:24:49 AM
   CNU v. VWC wiped out by a wet field, and CNU v. Catholic wiped out by whatever amount of snow Catholic still has on its field.

   Huge start to conference games with Methodist this weekend. Methodist has a wonderful coach and an always solid baseball program, I'm just not sold on "Fayette Nam" as a local vet referred to Fayetteville. It's an awfully big place, with a lot of "interesting" entertainment, but I guess you can find your share of trouble in Greensboro, Rocky Mount, or even Winchester if you go looking.

   UVA is playing on CNU's field the next two weekends while the Captains are on the road. A condition of field usage should be scheduling a regular season game with CNU.  It would be fun, a no lose situation for the Captains (which is why UVA would likely never schedule the game). 

     Praise be to VCU, who is playing Randolph Macon later this year in a charity game.


     P.S. OOOps, backtrack: I'm now told UVA isn't coming-perhaps they don't want to play away from home with that #1 national ranking...

       
     
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 24, 2010, 09:55:25 AM
USA Fan...judging by the cute little chart you provided me below, and by common sense alone, one would assume (and think) that said bids are awarded based on in-region records. And for the 3rd time I am by no means insulting what they did last year, "dogging" them, or whatever adjective you want to use. All I said was they played a weak OOC schedule. However, at the time of the conference/regional tourny you could have run the Washington Nationals out there and SU would have probably won...they were smoking hot and come that time of year that's the only thing that matters. As someone typed before, that's the glorious aspect of college baseball...if the worst team in the conference gets hot at the right time, they have the opportunity to advance. As a player, that's all you can ask for...

But, I stand by my statement. Let's look at the teams in the South region that were on their 2009 schedule (not counting conference opponents)...Eastern Mennonite, Bridgewater, Roanoke, Va Wesleyan, Catholic, Randolph-Macon, and Washington & Lee. Not exactly murderer's row eh? Those teams had a combined record of 134-137. Either way you want to spin it, in the end the appearance is that Coach Anderson did a great job of scheduling a bunch of regional teams that float around .500, thus boosting their in-region record. I understand a lot of other variables come in to play here as well...maybe SU tried to schedule other opponents but no one wanted to travel up there to play, as it is usually cold, windy, and the field surface isn't exactly great. But as I initially stated, none of this matters as in the end they were hottest, went the furthest, and had the best season of all.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on February 24, 2010, 12:56:16 PM


All this discussion about whether SU deserved an At-Large bid was discussed on this board last May.  Look at older pages if you want more information.

SU had a solid in-region record last year and deserved an at-large bid. Because of SU location they are able to play Mid-Atlantic region teams which count as South in-region games for them. Some of the PA schools they beat last year finished with good records. This helped boost their in-region record.

The only games that count for an At-Large bid to the regional are South-Region games/record. Out of region games, games vs. NAIA, DII teams, means very little to the selection committee.

We can all agree that the USA-South is one of the best DIII baseball conferences in the country.  This is baseball and on any given day any team can win.  This should be an interesting opening weekend with some solid pitching match-ups.

CNU @ MU- Each team has a solid ace in Jordan (MU) & Brinkman (CNU) and good offenses. Should be a great match-up

AU @ GC (We will see how strong AU really is, Loye appears to be a solid pitcher and they have a great catalyst in Higgins, 15 SB's already)

SU @ NCWC (Van Sickler vs. Diener or Knowles should be great as well)

Bye Ferrum
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 24, 2010, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: hokieone on February 24, 2010, 08:24:49 AM
   CNU v. VWC wiped out by a wet field, and CNU v. Catholic wiped out by whatever amount of snow Catholic still has on its field.

   Huge start to conference games with Methodist this weekend. Methodist has a wonderful coach and an always solid baseball program, I'm just not sold on "Fayette Nam" as a local vet referred to Fayetteville. It's an awfully big place, with a lot of "interesting" entertainment, but I guess you can find your share of trouble in Greensboro, Rocky Mount, or even Winchester if you go looking.

   UVA is playing on CNU's field the next two weekends while the Captains are on the road. A condition of field usage should be scheduling a regular season game with CNU.  It would be fun, a no lose situation for the Captains (which is why UVA would likely never schedule the game). 

     Praise be to VCU, who is playing Randolph Macon later this year in a charity game.


     P.S. OOOps, backtrack: I'm now told UVA isn't coming-perhaps they don't want to play away from home with that #1 national ranking...

       
     

Averett University vs. Roanoke College was also called due to weather.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 24, 2010, 02:55:15 PM
I agree with Falcon regarding the strength of the conference. I can't count how many times CNU/USA-S teams have faced a team outside the South Region with an impressive overall and conference record...only to watch them get smoked. It amazes me the records some of the teams in PA complile while being an incredibly average-to-below average ballclub...tells you something about the level of competition up there. While OOC schedule strength can be disputed all day long, one thing that can't be are the conference records of our respective teams. Wins and losses within the USA-S are earned...that's a given.

As far as this weekend goes, I hope my boys in Newport News find a way to tighten up that defense...that's how Methodist wins ballgames. You watch them take BP and nobody really stands out, then you commit a couple errors early and the next thing you know they're bunting all over you and you're down by 8. Every year they're living proof of how important fundamentals are.

I'm curious to see how the Wesleyan/Shenandoah series turns out as well. These games and the CNU/Methodist series should paint an early picture of how this year may turn out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference, how about RPI?
Post by: hbp on February 24, 2010, 04:28:45 PM
There is already something out there, which we're all familiar with, its called RPI.  We'll be hearing a lot in a few weeks when the NCAA D1 tourney selection committee meets.  Just looking at a teams opponents won-loss record is a flawed analysis.  You have to go a step further and use the RPI formula which includes the Opponents' Opponents won-loss record.  This is a much more accurate way of determing strength of schedule

The exact formula for determining the RPI of a team at any given time is as follows:

RPI = (WP * .25) + (OWP * .50) + (OOWP * .25)

Where WP is Winning Percentage, OWP is Opponents' Winning Percentage and OOWP is Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 24, 2010, 06:29:46 PM
NCWC has a game against D2 Barton College tomorrow.  Good to see them playing barton again I used to enjoy whipping I mean playing Barton each year back in the day.  Not sure if they are playing at Fleming Stadium for this game or not. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 24, 2010, 06:52:44 PM
When I used to play at Presbyterian College (in S.C), we played Barton every year. The majority of teams we played from N.C. usually had good sticks and a shutdown starter or two...they usually didn't have anybody...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2010, 08:44:27 PM
Does any one on here know how Kivett is doing? I know he transfered a few years back but I have not heard much on him since then
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 24, 2010, 09:02:59 PM
Seth Kivett transfer for the 2009 season to DII UNC Pembroke and is not playing 3B anymore.  He switch corners last year to 1B side and had a very good season.  The team finished 37-17 and Seth started all 54 games batting .343 and lead the team in HR's with 16 and second in RBI's with 52.

As for the Barton game, if I remember correctly, we had the lead and let it get away late vs. them.  Anyway, it should be a good test for the Bishops getting ready to play 13 in next 11 days.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
SU vs. NCW weekend matchup.

I'm going with the VanSickler kid and SU in Game 1.  Seriously, who would not take that pick?

Game 2, might go to the home team NCW because to many unknowns about SU's staff since that Rabung kid is out. 

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2010, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
SU vs. NCW weekend matchup.I'm going with the VanSickler kid and SU in Game 1.  Seriously, who would not take that pick?
anyone who saw this line from the mu/su box score last year...

Shenandoah Hornets   ip  h  r  er  bb  so  wp  bk  hbp  ibb  ab  bf  fo  go 
VAN SICKLER, Greg L,2-1  0.2  6  7  4  1  1  0  0  0  0  8  10  0  1

or anyone who saw the ncwc/su box score last year...

Shenandoah Hornets             IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
VAN SICKLER, Greg  L,5-2...   4.0 10  7  6  1  4   0  0  0  0   20 23   4  4

against the 2 best teams in the usasac in 2009, he was 0-2 in 4.2 ip while giving up 16 hits, 14 runs, 10 er's (21.43 era), 2 walks and 5 k's...the kid isn't superman, especially on the mound...the bat is another story, though :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on February 25, 2010, 02:37:04 PM
I agree completely with that assessment.  Van Sickler is a superb hitter. As a pitcher he has great control but he can be hit if a team can hit.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 25, 2010, 04:33:03 PM
Quote from: narch on February 25, 2010, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
SU vs. NCW weekend matchup.I'm going with the VanSickler kid and SU in Game 1.  Seriously, who would not take that pick?
anyone who saw this line from the mu/su box score last year...

Shenandoah Hornets   ip  h  r  er  bb  so  wp  bk  hbp  ibb  ab  bf  fo  go 
VAN SICKLER, Greg L,2-1  0.2  6  7  4  1  1  0  0  0  0  8  10  0  1

or anyone who saw the ncwc/su box score last year...

Shenandoah Hornets             IP  H  R ER BB SO  WP BK HP IBB  AB BF  FO GO
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
VAN SICKLER, Greg  L,5-2...   4.0 10  7  6  1  4   0  0  0  0   20 23   4  4

against the 2 best teams in the usasac in 2009, he was 0-2 in 4.2 ip while giving up 16 hits, 14 runs, 10 er's (21.43 era), 2 walks and 5 k's...the kid isn't superman, especially on the mound...the bat is another story, though :)


Com'on "narch", everyone has a bad day!

But there is a lot of chatter going through the USA-South conference that one team had another teams signals, so if true, that might explain why MU unloaded on this kid?  And it was just 1 game and 1 game does not make or break an entire season, does it?

Don't believe anyone has stated the kid was superman, but a lot of folks will take him on the bump more times than not.

Baseball America sure does like that kid up north in Winchester, do they not?

Again, I am picking Methodist to win the regular season. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2010, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 25, 2010, 04:33:03 PM
Com'on "narch", everyone has a bad day!
typically for a good college pitcher, 14 runs is a bad couple of weeks, though...and technically, that's two bad days :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
SU vs. NCW weekend matchup.

I'm going with the VanSickler kid and SU in Game 1.  Seriously, who would not take that pick?

Game 2, might go to the home team NCW because to many unknowns about SU's staff since that Rabung kid is out. 



Did I not get the Memo, since when did VanSickler become a shutdown type pitcher. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 26, 2010, 06:32:22 AM
I think what we are forgetting and since we are automatically assuming SU will take game one, is that NCWC LHP Junior Max knowles will be on the bump for the Bishops also for game one.  If you haven't seen this kid throw yet, he has shut down stuff.  Past game vs Emory he threw 6 innings of 3 hit ball and had zero earned runs to go with 7 K's...but hey, that's why they play the games.  Should be an excellent test for both teams. ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 26, 2010, 10:47:41 AM
I am hoping to see VanSickler pitch this weekend. I was looking at stats and think that Brinkman is the only pitcher to throw a complete game so far is that correct?  But do ave a question for a CNU fan. Brinkman threw a complete game but heard that they had their closer warm up and also a freshman, so who is the closer? and who is a freshman they get up in a tie ball game?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 26, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
Malvagna is the closer, two saves thus far. The freshman is Fleischmann, and I likely botched the spelling, one of two freshmen (the other is Goldsmith) that have pitched very well. Both look like they will be important contributors to the Captains' bullpen. Let's hope for continued good performances by the pitchers against a solid Methodist club this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on February 26, 2010, 12:52:50 PM
Quote from: hokieone on February 26, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
Malvagna is the closer, two saves thus far. The freshman is Fleischmann, and I likely botched the spelling, one of two freshmen (the other is Goldsmith) that have pitched very well. Both look like they will be important contributors to the Captains' bullpen. Let's hope for continued good performances by the pitchers against a solid Methodist club this weekend.
Hokieone - Thanks, good luck this weekend and keep us posted as I will not get to NC to see this game. I am looking forward to all the games this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 26, 2010, 09:05:14 PM
NCWC scores a nice 19-9 regional win against Randolph Macon to go into the 1st Conference weekend against SU. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 26, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 26, 2010, 09:05:14 PM
NCWC scores a nice 19-9 regional win against Randolph Macon to go into the 1st Conference weekend against SU.  

                    R   H   E
000 002 133 -  09 11  0 ... RMC
224 025 40x -  19 20  3 ... NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 27, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Follow LIVE stats today ...

SU vs. NCW:
http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/live/XLIVE.HTM

CNU vs. MU:
http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/xlive/xlive.htm

Wanted happened to PRIDETV?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 27, 2010, 03:25:53 PM
Score by Innings                          R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
Shenandoah.......... 010 000 100 -  2  5  0
NC Wesleyan......... 011 020 00X -  4  8  3
-------------------------------------------

E - RAHM 2; KNOWLES. DP - SU 1; NCWC 2. LOB - SU 8; NCWC 6. 2B - ALEXANDER, Z. HR -
MOORE, D. SH - CREEF. SF - ALLEN, B. SB - BRASHEARS; VANDUSSELOR; NEEB; ALLEN, B. CS
- SMITH, Mike.

Shenandoah             IP  H  R ER BB SO         NC Wesleyan            IP  H  R ER BB SO
------------------------------------------    ------------------------------------------
VAN SICKLER, Greg ..  4.1  7  4  4  4  2         KNOWLES, Max .......  8.0  5  2  1  6  9
STEFANOWICZ, Bobby .  3.2  1  0  0  0  1         CHILD, John ........  1.0  0  0  0  0  1

Win - KNOWLES.  Loss - VAN SICKLER.  Save - CHILD .
PB - CLARK.

Strikeouts - BRASHEARS; HOLCOMB; HENRY; NELSON 2; SMITH, Mike 2; NEEB; BROWN;
DONAHUE; ALEXANDER, Z; ALLEN, B; ALLEN, JJ. Walks - BRASHEARS; HOLCOMB; VAN SICKLER
2; VANDUSSELOR; BROWN; MOORE, D; ALEXANDER, Z; ALLEN, B; WEBB.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 27, 2010, 04:16:36 PM

Score by Innings                             R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
Christopher Newport.. 000 011 000 -  2  5  4
Methodist................ 002 001 02X -  5  9  1
-------------------------------------------

E - LINDEMUTH; NEAL; BRINKMAN 2; HALPIN, B.. DP - CNU 1; Methodist 1. LOB - CNU 7;
Methodist 9. 2B - LINDEMUTH; LOVETTE, S.; HALPIN, B.. HR - ROMETT; MADDEN; INGHRAM,
B.. HBP - VERNON; GOODWIN, B.. SH - YOUNGER, T.. SB - MARK; LANCASTER, T 2. CS -
INGHRAM, B..

Christopher Newport    IP  H  R ER BB SO      Methodist              IP  H  R ER BB SO
------------------------------------------    ------------------------------------------
BRINKMAN, Josh .....  6.0  7  3  3  2  7      JORDAN, Landon .....  5.2  5  2  2  3  6
FLEISCHMANN, Ryan ..  1.0  0  0  0  2  0      KELLY, Kurt ........  3.1  0  0  0  0  3
HARSANYI, Kyle .....  1.0  2  2  2  0  1

Win - KELLY, K. (2-0).  Loss - BRINKMAN (1-2).  Save - None.
WP - HARSANYI. HBP - by JORDAN, L. (VERNON); by BRINKMAN (GOODWIN, B.); by JORDAN, L.
(VERNON); by BRINKMAN (GOODWIN, B.).

Strikeouts - SAUNDERS 3; NEAL; KEENER; ROMETT; KERSEY; MADDEN 2; GOODWIN, B. 4;
SUCH, T.; HALPIN, B.; MAYO, X.; QUICK, M.. Walks - MARK; LINDEMUTH; KERSEY;
LANCASTER, T; INGHRAM, B.; SUCH, T.; LOVETTE, S..
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 27, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
NCWC beats Shenandoah 4-2!  I'm speechless on how well max Knowles threw today...excellent!  The kid layed it on the line and we came up with a few hits including JR CF Daniel Moore's HR.  Still making way too many errors, add 3 more today...hopefully they can keep it together tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 27, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Score by Innings                          R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
Averett University... 010 130 300 -  8 10  0
Greensboro College.. 000 000 001 -  1  7  4
-------------------------------------------

E - BEASLEY, Lo.; AMATO, B.; NAVARRO, A.; MANFRO. DP - AUB 2. LOB - AUB 7; GCB 4. 2B - HIGGINS; MOORE, M.; CARTER; IRWIN. HR - MOORE, M.; NEWCOMB, K.. HBP - KIDD. SH - SIBRIZZI; McGUIRE. SB - NEWCOMB, J.. CS - ROGERS, Jo..

Averett University            ip     h     r     er     bb     so     wp     bk     hbp     ibb     ab     bf     fo     go     np
KNOWLES, Brian W,3-0     8.0     5     0     0     2     4     0     0     0     0     26     28     7     10     84
MOTHERSHEAD, Michael   1.0   2     1     1     0     1     1     0     0     0     4     4     1     0     17

Greensboro College      ip     h     r     er     bb     so     wp     bk     hbp     ibb     ab     bf     fo     go     np
MANFRO L,1-1     7.0     8     8     6     2     5     2     0     1     0     28     33     7     7     97
ELLINGTON,E.      1.0     1     0     0     0     1     0     0     0     0     4     4     2     0     22
SCHILLING,D.      1.0     1     0     0     0     1     0     0     0     0     5     5     1     1     19

WP - MOTHERSHEAD; MANFRO 2. HBP - by MANFRO (KIDD). Inherited runners/scored: None.

Pitches/strikes: KNOWLES 84/51; MOTHERSHEAD 17/9; MANFRO 97/66; ELLINGTON,E. 22/14; SCHILLING,D. 19/11.

Strikeouts - LOYE 2; MOORE, M.; NEWCOMB, K.; McGUIRE 2; NEWCOMB, J.; DONALDSON, L; KELLEY,Grant; GRASSO, Vinc; O'NEILL, Ty.; BEASLEY, Lo.. Walks - HIGGINS; NEWCOMB, K.; PARKER, M.; NETTESHEIM.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 27, 2010, 10:57:23 PM
Mass. Maritime (4)  Ferrum (12)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 28, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
http://usasouth.net/developer/men_baseball_2010standings.shtml

Have we all overlooked Averett?  They are a very seasoned team and they are 10-2 after twelve games.

Today's games are huge for ALL and it's just week #1 for conference play.

Conf/Overall
1-0  10-2 ... AU   
1-0  07-3 ... MU   
1-0  04-3 ... NCW   
0-0  03-1 ... FC
0-1  05-3 ... CNU
0-1  03-2 ... SU
0-1  03-5 ... GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 28, 2010, 03:57:35 PM
AU - (15) runs, 13 hits and 1 error ... GB - (6) runs, 9 hits and 7 errors

CNU - (7) runs, 9 hits and 1 error ... MU - (1) run, 6 hits and 1 error

NCW - (11) runs, 10 hits, 3 errors ... SU - (7) runs, 12 hits and 3 errors


Again, have we ALL overlooked Averett University???


Conf/Overall
2-0  11-2 ... AU
2-0  05-3 ... NCW
1-1  06-3 ... CNU  
1-1  07-4 ... MU
0-0  03-1 ... FC
0-2  03-3 ... SU
0-2  03-6 ... GB


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 28, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
NCWC completes sweep of Shenandoah today with a 11-7 victory.  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Southern BB fan on February 28, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
Tough day for Methodist. Britt had a rough day and hitters were cold all day. The number #2 starter for methodist could be a problem for them this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 28, 2010, 08:43:40 PM
Nobody has "overlooked" Averett...but they're not exactly impressive either. They just beat up on a squad that has a team ERA around 9.00, and they've gone 11-2...with those 2 losses being against the only 2 teams they've played with a winning record (Lynchburg 3-2 and Guilford 5-4). They did the same thing a few years ago...they had like 20 or 30-some wins and didn't get even get a sniff at Regionals...that's what happens when you fill your schedule with the Penn State Fayette Roaring Lions of the world. The one thing they have going for them is probably confidence, but that's likely to change when (as we've discussed before) they face a team that throws overhand...

Shout out to my Captains for coming back today and splitting the Methodist series. Split on the road and take care of business at home, and you're looking at a good year fellas. I heard the defense played better today too which is definitely encouraging.

Speaking of taking care of business at home, how about NC Wesleyan? In my opinion (for what it's worth) they made the statement of the weekend. I've never been sold on Van Sickler as a pitcher so I thought that NCWC could pull that game off, but a sweep against one of the top teams in the best D-III conference in the nation? That's saying something...and that's another thing to watch for this year too. How will Shenandoah respond to be the "hunted" for the first time in, well, probably ever (although I have to admit my SU baseball history is a little shaky before 2005) as opposed to be being the "hunter". All-in-all seems like it was an exciting first weekend...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 28, 2010, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on February 28, 2010, 08:43:40 PM
Nobody has "overlooked" Averett...but they're not exactly impressive either. They just beat up on a squad that has a team ERA around 9.00, and they've gone 11-2...with those 2 losses being against the only 2 teams they've played with a winning record (Lynchburg 3-2 and Guilford 5-4). They did the same thing a few years ago...they had like 20 or 30-some wins and didn't get even get a sniff at Regionals...that's what happens when you fill your schedule with the Penn State Fayette Roaring Lions of the world. The one thing they have going for them is probably confidence, but that's likely to change when (as we've discussed before) they face a team that throws overhand...

Shout out to my Captains for coming back today and splitting the Methodist series. Split on the road and take care of business at home, and you're looking at a good year fellas. I heard the defense played better today too which is definitely encouraging.

Speaking of taking care of business at home, how about NC Wesleyan? In my opinion (for what it's worth) they made the statement of the weekend. I've never been sold on Van Sickler as a pitcher so I thought that NCWC could pull that game off, but a sweep against one of the top teams in the best D-III conference in the nation? That's saying something...and that's another thing to watch for this year too. How will Shenandoah respond to be the "hunted" for the first time in, well, probably ever (although I have to admit my SU baseball history is a little shaky before 2005) as opposed to be being the "hunter". All-in-all seems like it was an exciting first weekend...

So yet again you still continue to bash Averett because of the teams they have played. In your previous posts you said they will be tested when the conference games start, but it looks like that still just isn't good enough for you. Last time I checked Manfro throws the ball overhand and does it pretty well, and they hit him around pretty good on Saturday. I am happy to see the Cougars off to a hot start after their previous struggles the past few seasons. It looks like they can be a contender with the strong teams of the USA South like Methodist, Shenandoah, and CNU, but it looks like CNU FAN25 will only give any team credit if the beat CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 28, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
Oh and I forgot to mention NC Wesleyan as another strong team in the USA South. They showed they are going to be a force to reckon with after their sweep of Shenandoah. ;D Sorry Battling Bishops
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 28, 2010, 10:21:53 PM
If history continues to repeat itself, Averett pitching staff will have dead arms come Conference Tourney time.

Loye goes a full 9 innings while facing 41 batters, 3 BB's and 3 SO's and 2 HBP.

Sure hope those kids or someone watches their pitch counts.  Averett's #1 last year ended with a injury, correct?

41 Batters Faces based on 3.0 - 3.5 average pitches per batter = estimated 123-143 pitch count plus we are NOT even counting the amount of pitches that he threw to warm-up before the game plus the number of warm-up pitches between innings.

That's an heck'va a lot of pitches in 1 day.

Congrats to Averett University for such a fast hot start!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on February 28, 2010, 10:38:26 PM
I never said such a thing...I did make an incredibly sarcastic comment though about them being challenged when they play the Roaring Lions of Penn State Fayette and the Fighting Maroons of Roanoke College. Once again in my own opinion, for what it's worth, "throwing it pretty well" does not consist of going 2-7 and ERA close to 5.00 in 2009 and a current ERA (although this will obviously drop) of over 17.00 in 2010. And this is totally off subject, but wasn't he the guy on here tooting his horn last year like he was the second coming of Nolan Ryan? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember him...

And you stand corrected, I will most certainly give a team credit...see the entire last paragraph of my previous post. But I will not, however, drop to me knees for ANY team that went 11-2 versus a schedule that Woodrow Wilson Rehab could compete with. They could easily catch fire and beat the crap out of my Captains and everyone else in the USA South, and if that happens I know I'll be eating crow for a while. But until they beat a team with a pulse they will likely continue to have skeptics. Call it "bashing", call it "dogging", whatever...I just know that if I had beat up a retarded elderly man with a walker I wouldn't necessarily expect to be given street credit for it. Just sayin'...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 28, 2010, 10:44:42 PM
Just did a google and found this on the web and it had Loye's EPC at 141.  So 123-141 was in the ballpark.

Estimated Pitch Count Calculator

This calculator takes the values from a standard box score and estimates the pitches thrown by a pitcher.

http://www.boydsworld.com/cgi/epccalc.pl
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on February 28, 2010, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on February 28, 2010, 10:38:26 PM
I never said such a thing...I did make an incredibly sarcastic comment though about them being challenged when they play the Roaring Lions of Penn State Fayette and the Fighting Maroons of Roanoke College. Once again in my own opinion, for what it's worth, "throwing it pretty well" does not consist of going 2-7 and ERA close to 5.00 in 2009 and a current ERA (although this will obviously drop) of over 17.00 in 2010. And this is totally off subject, but wasn't he the guy on here tooting his horn last year like he was the second coming of Nolan Ryan? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember him...

And you stand corrected, I will most certainly give a team credit...see the entire last paragraph of my previous post. But I will not, however, drop to me knees for ANY team that went 11-2 versus a schedule that Woodrow Wilson Rehab could compete with. They could easily catch fire and beat the crap out of my Captains and everyone else in the USA South, and if that happens I know I'll be eating crow for a while. But until they beat a team with a pulse they will likely continue to have skeptics. Call it "bashing", call it "dogging", whatever...I just know that if I had beat up a retarded elderly man with a walker I wouldn't necessarily expect to be given street credit for it. Just sayin'...

The only thing you seem to post are incredibly sarcastic remarks, and the only teams you constantly bring up with "1 legged shortstops" and "ghost runners" are Roanoke College and Penn State Fayette. They have yet to play Penn State Fayette, but those Fighting Maroons, who you also trash talk, beat Frostburg recently and that same team beat the powerhouse of Methodist. Greensboro, who they just swept, previously beat Lynchburg who Averett lost to. When the Yankees beat teams like the Nationals, Brewers, Royals, etc. does those game get thrown out the window because of the opposing teams record? I think not. So, you can continue to think they are playing Middle School teams and work on getting your "Street Cred" up, either way they are hot right now regardless of their schedule. Maybe if they schedule a couple of games against UNC or LSU you will give them credit, but as of right now you are giving them none and probably will continue not to.

But with all that said, it looks like the team to beat right now is NCW with a huge sweep of Shenandoah. They seem to have a good pitching staff with their lefty Knowles and some other good arms in the pen. It's going to be interesting if Shenandoah can bounce back and make some noise in the conference. With the split between Methodist and CNU it shows that both of these teams are going to be evenly matched. CNU looks to have a deep pitching staff which is normally the key to winning the conference tourney. After the first weekend of conference play it looks like it is going to be an interesting season! ;) 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 08:45:45 AM
Are the Nationals, Brewers, or Royals then considered on the same level as the Yankees after beating them?? Hell no...it's understood that in baseball anybody can be beat on any given day. Every September/October ESPN begins breaking down the Wild Card contenders. While analyzing the teams fighting for a playoff spot they often highlight the W-L record of the opponents remaining on their respective schedules. They are careful to point out which teams have a "tougher" road to the playoffs and which ones don't. Reason being...and I realize this is ground-shaking news here...playing teams on the lower end of the spectrum SHOULD result in more wins and vice versa. In professional baseball the teams (obviously) have essentially no-say in the schedule they are handed. However, if we are going to use a professional model AND the Averett philosophy, then it's only fair to assume that if granted the opportunity to create their own schedule, the Baltimore Orioles (knowing darn well that it's going to be tough to compete with the overall records of the Yankees/Bo Sox/ Rays) might try and schedule 20-30 more games against the Nationals/Indians/Royals of the baseball world in an attempt to accrue more wins. But professional baseball, unlike college, doesn't take into consideration overall strength of schedule...after all, these are paid professionals. College baseball does however, thus there is essentially no reason for stockpiling a schedule of creampuffs.

And are you seriously making the "this team beat this team, who in turn beat this team, who later turned around and knocked off this team" argument. I commend you for your research, but someone intelligent enough to look up that information should also realize how rediculous that sounds. Applying the same rules, in the year 2003 McPherson College (in football) was better than Oklahoma, USC, and LSU:

http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/story?storyId=1681332

There's a website that computes that kind of information...if I can find the stinkin' thing I'll post it on here for everyone to play with.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2010, 02:01:12 PM
back to baseball being played on the field....

i was disappointed the monarchs didn't get the sweep, but cnu is a good ball club...sweeping them is not an easy task - i'm not overly concerned about the #2 pitcher for mu...yet - i think britt can turn things around, and when he does, he's a tough competitor - kelly is throwing lights out right now, but i don't expect to see him get the ball as the #2 starter...coach austin has a history of wanting a reliable arm to bring out of the bullpen on saturday AND sunday, if needed...i could be wrong, but i don't expect the monarch coaching staff to make a change just yet...

the ncwc sweep of su didn't surprise me a bit, but as a monarch fan i wish it hadn't happened...i'd like ncwc to split every series except the one vs. mu :)

the averett sweep of greensboro is a little surprising, but i'm not ready to jump on the cougar bandwagon because of it...i felt coming into the season that greensboro had the most question marks - any time you can come out of a usasac weekend with 2 wins, you should feel good about your team, though, and while we can all question the quality of au's wins, we can't question the quantity...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 01, 2010, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: narch on March 01, 2010, 02:01:12 PM
back to baseball being played on the field....

i was disappointed the monarchs didn't get the sweep, but cnu is a good ball club...sweeping them is not an easy task - i'm not overly concerned about the #2 pitcher for mu...yet - i think britt can turn things around, and when he does, he's a tough competitor - kelly is throwing lights out right now, but i don't expect to see him get the ball as the #2 starter...coach austin has a history of wanting a reliable arm to bring out of the bullpen on saturday AND sunday, if needed...i could be wrong, but i don't expect the monarch coaching staff to make a change just yet...

the ncwc sweep of su didn't surprise me a bit, but as a monarch fan i wish it hadn't happened...i'd like ncwc to split every series except the one vs. mu :)

the averett sweep of greensboro is a little surprising, but i'm not ready to jump on the cougar bandwagon because of it...i felt coming into the season that greensboro had the most question marks - any time you can come out of a usasac weekend with 2 wins, you should feel good about your team, though, and while we can all question the quality of au's wins, we can't question the quantity...

Glad to see someone else who ONLY wants to talk about the baseball being played in the USA South.  :) Sorry CNU FAN I don't have the time to look up pointless stats and google every baseball website in America to try and back up my arguments. (Not enough hours in the day for that) All I was trying to do was simply give you perspective from someone who likes to see any team in the USA South win and not just CNU. And last I checked an important aspect of being a good team is beating the teams you are supposed to beat which Averett has done, along with every other team in the conference. So, from now on I will just disregard any of your posts because all you seem to do is try to argue and nit-pick anything and everything I say. I love the talent and the teams in the USA South and try to catch all the games I can, and I also try to give ALL the teams in the conference credit for what they do and not just support a college that I used to play for.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 01, 2010, 04:06:51 PM
                 In the end, it will all get resolved on the fields of play, assuming they dry out from the stinking snow.

                 
   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
Not out to argue and nit-pick...I simply make rational comments and statements then back up my viewpoint with facts, which is something that I commend to the few people on here that actually do that. For years I've read this board (I think it was created my junior year at CNU...not positive though) and couldn't believe some of the empty discussions and/or arguments that have occured. When I post something on such a board as this (which is a free, public forum) I understand that all people will read it. Some could care less, some will have a negative reaction, some will have a positive reaction...and I welcome all. I feel that's the point of a message board...to express and discuss facts and feelings about whatever topic said board is about. This one happens to be about USA South baseball, and that includes everything...not just patting everybody on the butt for a job well done.

I expect various viewpoints of mine to be challenged, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Before I type anything in a public forum I make sure of two things: 1) that my spelling and grammar is correct (I don't want to come across sounding like an idiot), and 2) before I make a statement I make darn sure that I have reasonable and accurate information to back it up. It doesn't take days, hours, or even minutes to do that...it requires a solid knowledge of the game and familiarity with the conference. I hold other posts I read to the same standard and if I see something I don't agree with I question it. I don't consider that nit-picking...I consider it being an active and contributing member of a message board.

But if you and that other USA Fan (especially that guy) are going to continue to hype a team up for no reason, then you probably should disregard me. That would be a very wise move...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 04:53:59 PM
Amen hokieone...I'm tired of the white stuff.

Speaking of the Hokies, they better get all of this losing done with before the conference tournament. I was FURIOUS to see Eric Green (yea, I know he's from Winchester but still) taking the last shot in the 2nd OT instead of Delaney. I don't care if Maryland  had 3 guys on him, I want him taking that shot...and if he couldn't get it off I would try and find Hudson.

Sorry...I know that didn't have anything to do with baseball but I had to get that off my chest...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2010, 06:07:29 PM
cnu25...i wish everyone who posted on these boards could read your rules for posting...i don't normally give or take karma (seems kind of pointless, but i've done it a time or two), but +1 karma for you
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 01, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 04:49:53 PM

But if you and that other USA Fan (especially that guy) are going to continue to hype a team up for no reason, then you probably should disregard me. That would be a very wise move...

"cnuball25" ... are you talking about me?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
Narch: I completely agree...whenever I get online I tend to read a lot of college football message boards (especially the Hokie-related ones...techsideline.com is one of my favorites), and I'm starting to see this karma trend become more and more popular. I don't exactly get it either...but thank you for your karma point either way. Tomorrow is a big day for me...I have a huge business review with a major client in the morning, then I'm taking the rest of the day off to play MLB The Show 10' and begin my minor league career :) I don't do too many "nerdy" things but taking a day off from work to play The Show and NCAA Football on their respective release dates is definitely one of them. If they make the hitting in this year's edition as hard as they did last year, that karma will come in handy. I don't know if any of you guys play the PS3 baseball games, but I've always felt if they could somehow comebine the MLB 2K graphics with the MLB The Show game play/user interface, they would have one of the best sports games of all time.

CNU Fan: Yes, I was talking about you...not trying to ruffle any feathers though. I was essentially saying to you and your other Averett-loving pal that I don't plan on jumping on the bandwagon anytime soon. If my posts towards Averett annoy you I would suggest you disregard them as well much like the other guy is. I am sorry though...I should have made that more clear.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 01, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
CNU25,
While I agree with your process for posting I think that you do come off a bit of a snob, but hey not big deal. Good luck with your business review, if your preparation is anything like your post you should be good to go! and hope the "Show" is worth it!. As for the discussion of AU versus the world, I know some of the kids there and I think they will be competitive but not ready to crown them just yet. Now NCW looks tough, CNU and MU beat up on each other so we will have to just enjoy the coming games and see what happens.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 01, 2010, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 01, 2010, 04:06:51 PM
                 In the end, it will all get resolved on the fields of play, assuming they dry out from the stinking snow.

                 
   

Are they really calling for more snow??? It's March now I'm ready for warm weather and lots of baseball!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 01, 2010, 08:18:01 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
Not out to argue and nit-pick...I simply make rational comments and statements then back up my viewpoint with facts, which is something that I commend to the few people on here that actually do that. For years I've read this board (I think it was created my junior year at CNU...not positive though) and couldn't believe some of the empty discussions and/or arguments that have occured. When I post something on such a board as this (which is a free, public forum) I understand that all people will read it. Some could care less, some will have a negative reaction, some will have a positive reaction...and I welcome all. I feel that's the point of a message board...to express and discuss facts and feelings about whatever topic said board is about. This one happens to be about USA South baseball, and that includes everything...not just patting everybody on the butt for a job well done.

I expect various viewpoints of mine to be challenged, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Before I type anything in a public forum I make sure of two things: 1) that my spelling and grammar is correct (I don't want to come across sounding like an idiot), and 2) before I make a statement I make darn sure that I have reasonable and accurate information to back it up. It doesn't take days, hours, or even minutes to do that...it requires a solid knowledge of the game and familiarity with the conference. I hold other posts I read to the same standard and if I see something I don't agree with I question it. I don't consider that nit-picking...I consider it being an active and contributing member of a message board.

But if you and that other USA Fan (especially that guy) are going to continue to hype a team up for no reason, then you probably should disregard me. That would be a very wise move...
Can you back up this assertion from a previous post? "... (the USA South is) the best D-III conference in the nation."

"Best" as in "my favorite" or "the best overall conference" or "the best baseball conference"? I disagree if it's either of the latter two.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 01, 2010, 09:15:10 PM
As stated in the Massey Ratings.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbase#conf
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 01, 2010, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
CNU Fan: Yes, I was talking about you...not trying to ruffle any feathers though. I was essentially saying to you and your other Averett-loving pal that I don't plan on jumping on the bandwagon anytime soon. If my posts towards Averett annoy you I would suggest you disregard them as well much like the other guy is. I am sorry though...I should have made that more clear.


"cnuball25", OK, but your perception on me is way off-base.  I am very neutral with all, look at my alias.

I've picked Methodist to win the regular season as I have only recognized that Averett is off to a RED hot start.

What's wrong with acknowledging that someone is off to a fast start?  It seems very similar to what Shenandoah did last year as everyone stated that were playing "cupcakes" but Shenandoah University won the Mid-Atlantic Regional and went onto the World Series, did they not?

I support all of the USA-South baseball and I am sorry that I have not posted about CNU yet.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 10:51:55 PM
Boysofsummer: Sorry, I honestly don't try to come across as a snob...I do like to include humorous/sarcastic comments in my posts however. If those come across as being mean or snobby that honestly isn't the intent...but as an outsider I always enjoyed reading posts a little more if there is humor involved and I assume a lot of people are the same.

Oshdude: If you'll read some of my previous posts (which it appears you have), you'll realize that I'm very careful what I type on here. The reason I say that is because it would be incredibly ignorant of me to get on here and proclaim the USA South as the best DIII conference in the nation. I've played at two different schools at 2 different levels and consider myself very knowledgeable when it comes to schools at all levels in the south...but I'd be lying if I said I know a darn thing about the majority of teams outside that particular region. Fortunately for me, I didn't have too...The Massey Ratings did it for us. If you're not familiar with this, the Massey Ratings is one of the computer systems that do the BCS rankings (obviously your opinion of the BCS will depend on whether that adds or subtracts credibility to these rankings). Go to the link provided above, scroll to the top of the page and click on "group III". Then scroll down 3/4 the way to the bottom and there you will find these computer generated conference rankings. You can agree or disagree...but when a very prominent ranking system labels a conference as such, that does carry some weight.

USA Fan: You perception is such because you seem to be the only one on here hyping them up. Usasouthisnumber1 has backed you and has attempted to convince everyone that the 11-2 record is legitimate, but besides you two I'm not sure anyone is buying it yet. Regardless, you've typed so much about them recently that is has led me to believe (along with a couple other players from other schools that message me on occasion) that you are indeed an Averett die-hard...which is absolutely 100% fine. If you are in fact neutral that's fine as well, but your posts (at least all that majority that I've seen) don't necessarily read that way. I apologize as I somehow missed your posts regarding Averett and the history behind their pitching staff injuries. And you're also correct regarding Shenandoah...but that had more to do with a team getting unbelievably hot at the perfect time more so than schedule strength. By now I've exhausted the SOS comments and won't be bringing it up anymore unless someone else starts it up again. And no need to appologize for not posting about CNU...enough people bring us up as is :)

Good night to all...I have spent WAY to much darn time on here today. I do look forward to seeing how CNU responds this week to playing against Salisbury and Va Wesleyan...any other interesting weekday matchups to watch for??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: randomguy on March 02, 2010, 12:19:25 AM
ok, people know who i am and thats not going to bother me at all... i did what i did in order to play as much ball as possible, but i see all this talk about averett and some of it is true and some of it it well deserved.  i work an hourly job in order to take care of myself but i have been around the team alot and i understand what is going on.... a few of the guys that have been around a few years are hitting the ball really well and the newly found pitchers and surprising even me right now... there is still time to tell whether the pitchers will hold up... but i feel like the offense here will surprise alot of people... given greensboro made  some errors averett still hit the crap out of the ball..... and yes i played at averett and im not going to go out of my way to pick them to win it all or anything but they are playing at a level above what i expected from them, and i wish i had some of this last year haha, would have helped me a bit!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 02, 2010, 04:37:16 AM
Monday's results:

Lebanon Valley (2) Ferrum (4)
        
NCW (3) John Carroll (4)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 02, 2010, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 01, 2010, 10:51:55 PM
Boysofsummer: Sorry, I honestly don't try to come across as a snob...I do like to include humorous/sarcastic comments in my posts however. If those come across as being mean or snobby that honestly isn't the intent...but as an outsider I always enjoyed reading posts a little more if there is humor involved and I assume a lot of people are the same.

Oshdude: If you'll read some of my previous posts (which it appears you have), you'll realize that I'm very careful what I type on here. The reason I say that is because it would be incredibly ignorant of me to get on here and proclaim the USA South as the best DIII conference in the nation. I've played at two different schools at 2 different levels and consider myself very knowledgeable when it comes to schools at all levels in the south...but I'd be lying if I said I know a darn thing about the majority of teams outside that particular region. Fortunately for me, I didn't have too...The Massey Ratings did it for us. If you're not familiar with this, the Massey Ratings is one of the computer systems that do the BCS rankings (obviously your opinion of the BCS will depend on whether that adds or subtracts credibility to these rankings). Go to the link provided above, scroll to the top of the page and click on "group III". Then scroll down 3/4 the way to the bottom and there you will find these computer generated conference rankings. You can agree or disagree...but when a very prominent ranking system labels a conference as such, that does carry some weight.

USA Fan: You perception is such because you seem to be the only one on here hyping them up. Usasouthisnumber1 has backed you and has attempted to convince everyone that the 11-2 record is legitimate, but besides you two I'm not sure anyone is buying it yet. Regardless, you've typed so much about them recently that is has led me to believe (along with a couple other players from other schools that message me on occasion) that you are indeed an Averett die-hard...which is absolutely 100% fine. If you are in fact neutral that's fine as well, but your posts (at least all that majority that I've seen) don't necessarily read that way. I apologize as I somehow missed your posts regarding Averett and the history behind their pitching staff injuries. And you're also correct regarding Shenandoah...but that had more to do with a team getting unbelievably hot at the perfect time more so than schedule strength. By now I've exhausted the SOS comments and won't be bringing it up anymore unless someone else starts it up again. And no need to appologize for not posting about CNU...enough people bring us up as is :)

Good night to all...I have spent WAY to much darn time on here today. I do look forward to seeing how CNU responds this week to playing against Salisbury and Va Wesleyan...any other interesting weekday matchups to watch for??
The same rankings that show the GSAC as the No. 3 conference, right? That's one way of looking at things, I guess. With all of those columns of numbers, who am I to disagree?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 02, 2010, 09:08:35 AM
Yup...you're right. I have to be completely honest though...I've never been a big fan of computer-generated anything. The only reason I even REMOTELY like the Massey computer is because a couple years ago in college football (when LSU won the championship), VT got held out of the national title game because the majority of the computers had us lower (well, I guess that and the fact that LSU absolutely SMOKED us by 30-some on the road). The Massey Rankings had VT at #1 however, so my opinion for liking that computer is completely biased and I'm not afraid to admit that!

There are flaws in every humun-based rating/ranking system, which is the reason these computer-generated "things" were designed in the first place. But the computers certainly have flaws and only add more confusion to the whole process in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 02, 2010, 12:14:39 PM
ANyone going to the CNU vs VWC game today?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2010, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 02, 2010, 08:38:30 AM
The same rankings that show the GSAC as the No. 3 conference, right? That's one way of looking at things, I guess. With all of those columns of numbers, who am I to disagree?
gsac aside, i think the massey ratings look pretty solid - i'm willing to write that gsac computer glitch off to such a small sample size with only 4 teams in the "conference"...having a 20-21 piedmont team as the worst in the conference probably skews the equation a bit...

i'm not sure i would necessarily peg the usasac the best in the country, but certainly one of the top 5 conferences in the country isn't a stretch in any given year, and given the fact that the 4th best usasac team finished in the top 6 in the country last year...maybe the usasac WAS the best conference in the nation last season - of the top 15 massey listed conferences, the usasac and wiac had the highest ooc win% at .627 and .622, respectively (the OAC was the only other conference above .600, with a .607 ooc win%) -  since almost every usasac played multiple games vs. the gsac (who ranked 9th among this group in ooc win% at .539, despite playing many games against usasac foes), i could see where the skewing of the gsac ranking might be the difference between the wiac and the usasac, but it is hard to argue that the usasac wasn't one of the top 2 conferences last year...given the fact that the usasac had a w-s participant, and the wiac didn't and the fact that the usasac had 3 regional teams vs. 2 for the wiac, a strong case could be made for the usasac over the wiac in 2009

whatcha got for me oshdude? :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 02, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
VWC (9) CNU (11)

CNU pushed across six runs in the bottom of the eighth inning and went on to an 11-9 win over Virginia Wesleyan Tuesday at Captains Park.

Down, 9-5, Drue Vernon singled home Shayne Kersey and Stephen Keener drew a bases loaded walk to cut the deficit to two. Parker Neal's double drove in two to tie the score and then Mike Romett drove in a pair with a single to give CNU the lead.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 02, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Ferrum gets DH sweep over Marywood University from Scranton, PA by the scores of 8 to 3 and 6 to 2.


Conf/Overall
2-0  11-2 ... AU
2-0  05-4 ... NCW
1-1  07-3 ... CNU  
1-1  07-4 ... MU
0-0  06-1 ... FC
0-2  03-3 ... SU
0-2  03-6 ... GB



The USA-South is 42-23 overall, not a bad start on the young season!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 02, 2010, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2010, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 02, 2010, 08:38:30 AM
The same rankings that show the GSAC as the No. 3 conference, right? That's one way of looking at things, I guess. With all of those columns of numbers, who am I to disagree?
gsac aside, i think the massey ratings look pretty solid - i'm willing to write that gsac computer glitch off to such a small sample size with only 4 teams in the "conference"...having a 20-21 piedmont team as the worst in the conference probably skews the equation a bit...

i'm not sure i would necessarily peg the usasac the best in the country, but certainly one of the top 5 conferences in the country isn't a stretch in any given year, and given the fact that the 4th best usasac team finished in the top 6 in the country last year...maybe the usasac WAS the best conference in the nation last season - of the top 15 massey listed conferences, the usasac and wiac had the highest ooc win% at .627 and .622, respectively (the OAC was the only other conference above .600, with a .607 ooc win%) -  since almost every usasac played multiple games vs. the gsac (who ranked 9th among this group in ooc win% at .539, despite playing many games against usasac foes), i could see where the skewing of the gsac ranking might be the difference between the wiac and the usasac, but it is hard to argue that the usasac wasn't one of the top 2 conferences last year...given the fact that the usasac had a w-s participant, and the wiac didn't and the fact that the usasac had 3 regional teams vs. 2 for the wiac, a strong case could be made for the usasac over the wiac in 2009

whatcha got for me oshdude? :)
First, the numbers on that site are not 100 percent accurate. Second, I don't think the WIAC is No. 1, but I would put it in the top two or three (well, maybe No. 1 in some years). Third, I do think the USA South is top five or so. Fourth, the criteria used to determine the rankings are very different than how the NCAA views teams and conferences at the D-III level.

I'm off to work right now, but if you want I'll post what I think are the top seven or eight conferences some other time. It defintely includes the OAC, LEC, WIAC and USA South. I'd have to think about it some more. I had a knee-jerk response to the USA South being touted the best D-III baseball conference. While very good, I just don't think it is.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
What happen to Van Sickler being that shutdown pitcher.  I was away for the weekend but didn't someone say that SU was going to take Game 1 because Van Sickler was a shutdown pitcher.  Good job Bishops looks like Knowles pitched a great game. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 03, 2010, 09:47:33 AM
           Salisbury at CNU for Thursday is canceled. The field was tarped after yesterday's  game, but Tidewater is having a nor'easter, with snow. The games at Ferrum will be Sunday and Monday, but the weather forecast says 58 Sunday and 63  ;D on Monday. real baseball weather perhaps at last!  


         Kudos to Nick Boothe for "Best performance By A Manager Trying To get Ejected To Fire Up His team In The Ninth" yesterday. VWC didn't care for a couple calls on the bases, nor the strike zone, although objectively it seemed to be the same zone for both squads all day, so with his team down 11-9 in the top of the 9th, he dropped the magic word and got a trip out the gate. It was cold as the dickens anyway so maybe he wanted to get warm.  He did gets his troops pumped, as well as a few VWC fans that were pretty verbose all afternoon anyway and needed no help, but a leadoff double was squandered.

     Hopefully Bridgewater and Shenandoah can  play today.  BC's players were shoveling snow earlier in the week trying to get ready.   Has it ever been this stinking cold and damp 1 week before daylight savings time kicks in?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 03, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
What happen to Van Sickler being that shutdown pitcher.  I was away for the weekend but didn't someone say that SU was going to take Game 1 because Van Sickler was a shutdown pitcher.  Good job Bishops looks like Knowles pitched a great game.  

Please review what I stated and what you said "Catfishncwc".

You are the one that made the comment about VanSickler being a "shutdown" pitcher not I.


Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
SU vs. NCW weekend matchup.

I'm going with the VanSickler kid and SU in Game 1.  Seriously, who would not take that pick?

Game 2, might go to the home team NCW because to many unknowns about SU's staff since that Rabung kid is out. 



Did I not get the Memo, since when did VanSickler become a shutdown type pitcher. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on March 03, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
What happen to Van Sickler being that shutdown pitcher.  I was away for the weekend but didn't someone say that SU was going to take Game 1 because Van Sickler was a shutdown pitcher.  Good job Bishops looks like Knowles pitched a great game.  

Please review what I stated and what you said "Catfishncwc".

You are the one that made the comment about VanSickler being a "shutdown" pitcher not I.


Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 25, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
SU vs. NCW weekend matchup.

I'm going with the VanSickler kid and SU in Game 1.  Seriously, who would not take that pick?

Game 2, might go to the home team NCW because to many unknowns about SU's staff since that Rabung kid is out. 



Did I not get the Memo, since when did VanSickler become a shutdown type pitcher. 

Your right I called him a shutdown pitcher only after you all but called anyone who would not pick him to him game 1 a idiot.  But I guess my bishops did not seem to think your statement had any validity to it.  But you did your game 2 prediction correct.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 03, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 12:37:54 PM

Your right I called him a shutdown pitcher only after you all but called anyone who would not pick him to him game 1 a idiot.  But I guess my bishops did not seem to think your statement had any validity to it.  But you did your game 2 prediction correct.

I called nobody an "idiot", so stop with your nonsense already.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on March 03, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 12:37:54 PM

Your right I called him a shutdown pitcher only after you all but called anyone who would not pick him to him game 1 a idiot.  But I guess my bishops did not seem to think your statement had any validity to it.  But you did your game 2 prediction correct.

I called nobody an "idiot", so stop with your nonsense already.

I didn't say that either I said you all but called anyone who would not pick that game 1 outcome a SU win a idiot.  He made that pick seem like a sure bet and if they dare not say SU was going to win since it was a lock in your opinion.  How else were we to look if we did not pick SU as a winner in your eyes. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 03, 2010, 01:35:32 PM
Ferrum College moves to (7-1) on the season with 15-11 win over Lebanon Valley College from Annville, PA in Ft. Pierce, FL.

Check out Lebanon Valley's facility:
http://godutchmen.com/sports/2008/5/21/mcgill.aspx?path=baseball
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on March 03, 2010, 01:35:32 PM
Ferrum College moves to (7-1) on the season with 15-11 win over Lebanon Valley College from Annville, PA in Ft. Pierce, FL.

Looks like Ferrum is trying to make a early season statement.  Though they will see this Weekend if they have the Right Stuff against CNU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
usa_fan - you don't want to pick a baseball knowledge fight with catfish...he'll win

seriously, who would not take that pick? :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 03, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: narch on March 03, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
usa_fan - you don't want to pick a baseball knowledge fight with catfish...he'll win

seriously, who would not take that pick? :)

I've got a big ole fishing hook with good bait for the "catfishncwc", just be patient!    ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on March 03, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: narch on March 03, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
usa_fan - you don't want to pick a baseball knowledge fight with catfish...he'll win

seriously, who would not take that pick? :)

I've got a big ole fishing hook with good bait for the "catfishncwc", just be patient!    ;)

Dude really.  Really.   I look forward to it. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 03, 2010, 03:41:58 PM
Hahaha...me too. I consider myself pretty knowledgeable, particularly when it comes to baseball. But from all my years of reading this board, narch and Catfish seem to know the game pretty darn well themselves. I hope you have a good-sized frog on the end of that hook (FYI, frogs have long been rumored as great bait for catching catfish :) )

Great come-from-behind regional win yesterday for the Captains...especially against a team in Va Wesleyan who already has an impressive regional victory as well (vs. Salisbury). I was looking forward to seeing how CNU would fair against a ballclub the caliber of Salisbury, but I guess that will have to wait for now. And I'm not suprised to hear that Coach Boothe (VWC) got tossed AT ALL. He's a great coach who won't hesitate for a second to stand up for his guys...something that players from all teams admire.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 03, 2010, 04:10:47 PM
USA,

   Think something like, gee whiz, what could somebody like the 'fish do professionally that would make them really knowledgeable about baseball.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 03, 2010, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 03, 2010, 04:10:47 PM
USA,

  Think something like, gee whiz, what could somebody like the 'fish do professionally that would make them really knowledgeable about baseball.....

I've never questioned his baseball knowledge, he is the one that started it in with me, trying to put words into my posts that I never stated.

Baseball is simple, People are complex!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 03, 2010, 05:06:54 PM
Hey CNUball25 how was the show? As for the coach from VWC getting tossed it is nice to know a coach will back his players. Did he do it with class?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 03, 2010, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on March 02, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Ferrum gets DH sweep over Marywood University from Scranton, PA by the scores of 8 to 3 and 6 to 2.


Conf/Overall
2-0  11-2 ... AU
2-0  05-4 ... NCW
1-1  07-3 ... CNU  
1-1  07-4 ... MU
0-0  06-1 ... FC
0-2  03-3 ... SU
0-2  03-6 ... GB



The USA-South is 42-23 overall, not a bad start on the young season!


I am going to wait till Ferrum gets back into the USA South to make a judgement on them. The teams they have played are a combined 5-18, with Roanoke the only team with a winning record.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 03, 2010, 07:14:32 PM
Boysofsummer: As far as Coach Boothe is concerned, I don't know honestly know. I know for a fact that Hokieone was there however...probably a better person to ask. I've seen him get after umpires before though. Whether he does a "classy" job or not would probably depend on ones own definition...I've never heard him scream obscenities at a umpire if that's what you're wondering, which in my opinion is a big thing. Telling an umpire he's God-awful is one thing...screaming cuss words with children running around is totally different...

And The Show is great...the game play and graphics are a lot like last year's version though (the game play is the main reason I buy The Show). They've added more batting stances, you can customize your players more (from the color of the nuckle on the batting gloves to the color of the shoe laces...it's pretty neat), they've added a new "pick off mode" where you can vary your pick-offs to first base, and some other things. The hitting is still very difficult in the "road to the show" mode, but all-in-all I think it's great. I was talking to a friend of mine tonight at the gym...he runs a site called stickskills.com, which is essentially a gamer-review type thing...EA Sports even flys them out on occasion to review games. Anyways, he said The Show's game play this year blows MLB 2K 10' out of the water...2K still has the incredibly graphics, but The Show is overall probably a better game...incase you were looking to get one of them. Hope this helps you out a little!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 03, 2010, 07:29:13 PM
CNUball25 I agree totally about a coach dealing with umpires, as long as he is not making everyone blush and is not trying to intimidate the ump get your moneys worth. I think I will check out the show. Thanks for the review. I will also check out the website. Thanks. From the people I spoke to about the CNU game they all said that the coach didn't make a big scene out of it and did let the ump know what he thought about his/their calls. The only negative comment I heard at all was that he got high five from his players as exiting, but I understand that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 03, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
NCW (5) John Carroll Univ (6) University Heights,OH

NCW (3) Heidelberg Univ (12) Tiffin,OH

Immaculata,PA (3) Methodist (22)


Conf/Overall
2-0  11-2 ... AU
2-0  05-6 ... NCW
1-1  08-3 ... CNU 
1-1  08-4 ... MU
0-0  07-1 ... FC
0-2  03-3 ... SU
0-2  03-6 ... GB



The USA-South is 44-25 overall.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: boysofsummer on March 04, 2010, 06:00:02 PM
HSC just beat AU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 04, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
Shocker...now 0-3 vs. opponents with a winning record:)

Just messing with you guys...not gonna get that war started again...and I know, I know...they beat CNU...but just saying:)

But on a serious note, how NICE is it to see baseball on TV again??? Every day I come home from work and see spring training games on the MLB network I'm reminded of how close we are to the greatest season of all. Peter Gammons picked the Orioles to be the suprise of the American League this year (not meaning they're making the playoffs, just simply stating that they're going to open some eyes), so we might get to see some good baseball played in Baltimore, who knows? Whatcha think guys??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 04, 2010, 08:29:24 PM
NCW (1) Heidelberg (8)   

Shenandoah (11) Bridgewater (8)   
         
Hampden-Sydney (10) Averett (4)   
         
Randolph-Macon (3) Methodist (5)


Conf/Overall
2-0  11-3 ... AU
2-0  05-7 ... NCW
1-1  08-3 ... CNU
1-1  09-4 ... MU
0-0  07-1 ... FC
0-2  04-3 ... SU
0-2  03-6 ... GB



The USA-South is 46-27 overall.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2010, 10:11:03 PM
monarchs get a good win over a solid randy mac team...frosh willingham goes 5.2 with 6 k's and 3 er...the surprise is that britt gets the win out of the bullpen with 5 k's and 1 hit in 3.1 ip...might kelly be a sunday starter?...we'll see this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 05, 2010, 01:21:30 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 04, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
Shocker...now 0-3 vs. opponents with a winning record:)

Just messing with you guys...not gonna get that war started again...and I know, I know...they beat CNU...but just saying:)

But on a serious note, how NICE is it to see baseball on TV again??? Every day I come home from work and see spring training games on the MLB network I'm reminded of how close we are to the greatest season of all. Peter Gammons picked the Orioles to be the suprise of the American League this year (not meaning they're making the playoffs, just simply stating that they're going to open some eyes), so we might get to see some good baseball played in Baltimore, who knows? Whatcha think guys??

Not even gonna mention the Averett comment ;) Haha Just Playing. But I am also excited to see baseball season start again. I was getting tired of watching basketball highlights all day on ESPN, but I do love March Madness. And as an Orioles fan I'm also excited to hear that they should make some noise this year. They are a young team so hopefully the young guys can pull a little Tampa Bay action.  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 05, 2010, 08:10:58 AM
i just don't see the o's finishing higher than 4th in the AL east...which means they'll be largely irrelevant...i give them 78- 83 wins, at best
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
Oh ye of little faith: IF the young pitchers,with a year's experience, continue to blossom, and IF the young outfield, with all star potential throughout, continues to improve, and IF Miggy can have a nice twilight at third base, and IF Weiters continues  the late progress toward all star status he showed last season, the O's may not win the division, but they can finish over .500 and cause some grief...and look strong, talented, and young going forward.

  I am an optimist...and I still despise that snot nosed kid from New York that interfered with Tony Tarasco so many years ago. I had Series tickets lined up and will forever think that if that little twerp stays in his seat, the O's win that game (they would have been up in the series going back to Baltimore), and I finally get to see a World Series game!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 05, 2010, 10:03:59 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 05, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
Oh ye of little faith: IF the young pitchers,with a year's experience, continue to blossom, and IF the young outfield, with all star potential throughout, continues to improve, and IF Miggy can have a nice twilight at third base, and IF Weiters continues  the late progress toward all star status he showed last season, the O's may not win the division, but they can finish over .500 and cause some grief...and look strong, talented, and young going forward.

  I am an optimist...and I still despise that snot nosed kid from New York that interfered with Tony Tarasco so many years ago. I had Series tickets lined up and will forever think that if that little twerp stays in his seat, the O's win that game (they would have been up in the series going back to Baltimore), and I finally get to see a World Series game!

I will never forget that either! Too bad they didn't have instant replay then like they do now! But, I hope that if anything the O's can contend this year unlike their past few dreadful seasons. It's a hard thing to do when you have the Yanks, Red Soxs, and Rays all in your division! :'(
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
I don't think we will contend this year but I am just glad they are seemingly going to be relevant this year.  Does any one else read Roch blog on MASN.  It is a great Orioles info source.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
Yes, excellent blog!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 05, 2010, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 05, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
Oh ye of little faith: IF the young pitchers,with a year's experience, continue to blossom, and IF the young outfield, with all star potential throughout, continues to improve, and IF Miggy can have a nice twilight at third base, and IF Weiters continues  the late progress toward all star status he showed last season, the O's may not win the division, but they can finish over .500 and cause some grief...and look strong, talented, and young going forward.
that's a lot of IF's.....to finish .500 and 10-15 games out of the wild-card

and if i'm not mistaken, that "snot nosed kid" ended up being an all-conference division III baseball player

orioles fans have always had a misdirected sense of anger...they should have been upset with the umpire and his crew for missing a call, not some 12 year old kid doing what ANY 12 year old would do at a big league ball game
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2010, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: narch on March 05, 2010, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 05, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
Oh ye of little faith: IF the young pitchers,with a year's experience, continue to blossom, and IF the young outfield, with all star potential throughout, continues to improve, and IF Miggy can have a nice twilight at third base, and IF Weiters continues  the late progress toward all star status he showed last season, the O's may not win the division, but they can finish over .500 and cause some grief...and look strong, talented, and young going forward.
that's a lot of IF's.....to finish .500 and 10-15 games out of the wild-card

and if i'm not mistaken, that "snot nosed kid" ended up being an all-conference division III baseball player

orioles fans have always had a misdirected sense of anger...they should have been upset with the umpire and his crew for missing a call, not some 12 year old kid doing what ANY 12 year old would do at a big league ball game

I ever think at one point we were recruiting him to be a Battling Bishop. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2010, 03:13:02 PM
Yes, he did do well in college, but while he may save  the world someday, he cost me a chance to finally see a World Series game, and will always be...a snot nosed kid...in the Christian sense of course.  ::)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Cannons22 on March 05, 2010, 03:21:04 PM
Hey guys, brand new to the board.  I am the parent of a Ferrum College baseball player.  (I just wanted to be honest and get that out in the open)  I have only seen a few games this year, but I am very impressed with the level of talent in the USAC (and the ODAC as well).  I was at the Roanoke/Ferrum game at Averett.  I believe that either team could have come away with the win.  Please don't take that as a slight to Roanoke.  It was a good game that came down to the bottom of the 9th and Ferrum fell short.  Roanoke did a good job with clutch hitting and they're pitcher's kept runners off the bases in the later innings.  I don't think any team can (or does, really) take anyone on the schedule lightly.  In the USAC, you never know what type of game you'll see.  The 1st game of the series could be a pitcher's duel with very few hits/runs, and the 2nd game could be a slugfest with both teams scoring in the double digits.  I know Ferrum did well this week in Florida, but I see the teams they played do not have winning records.  Win or lose, I just love watching well played, well coached baseball.  With the clear weather this weekend (finally), it looks like Ferrum will get the games in against CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 05, 2010, 06:58:52 PM
welcome to the board.  Nice to get a ferrum fan on this board.  Don't seem to get to many of those on this board. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 05, 2010, 09:11:40 PM
Immaculata,PA (3) Shenandoah (18)
            
Greensboro (8) Bridgewater (3)
            
N.C. Wesleyan (2) Piedmont (6)


Conf/Overall
2-0  11-3 ... AU
2-0  05-8 ... NCW
1-1  08-3 ... CNU
1-1  09-4 ... MU
0-0  07-1 ... FC
0-2  05-3 ... SU
0-2  04-6 ... GB




The USA-South is 48-28 overall = winning percentage of .631%
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hbp on March 06, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
USAC is certainly backing up its reputation as one of the best baseball conferences is D3.  I have got ODAC ties, but its tough not to give USAC credit where credit is due.  Look at AU at 11-3, they were picked to basically be near the bottom of the conference, and they may end up there, but they are tough.  Immaculta played its first college baseball game ever this week at Methodist.  Ouch!  welcome to D3 baseball..
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
Welcome Cannons22.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 06, 2010, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: hbp on March 06, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
USAC is certainly backing up its reputation as one of the best baseball conferences is D3.  I have got ODAC ties, but its tough not to give USAC credit where credit is due.  Look at AU at 11-3, they were picked to basically be near the bottom of the conference, and they may end up there, but they are tough.  Immaculta played its first college baseball game ever this week at Methodist.  Ouch!  welcome to D3 baseball..

But Immaculata played Lynchburg very respectable in both games of the DH by the scores of 2-0 and 7-1 and even was close to Shenandoah 6-3 before the bottom of the 6th started.

PA baseball is pretty darn respectable because they have tough nose kids in the state of PA.

Check this headline ... Baseball Concludes Spring Trip At Shenandoah   :)

http://www.gomightymacs.com/index.aspx?tab=baseball&path=baseball

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 06, 2010, 07:26:03 PM
N.C. Wesleyan (6) vs. Montclair St.  (17)
Demorest, GA - Senior rightfielder Scott Evangelist (Northfield, NJ / Holy Spirt) belted a homer while sophomore lefthander Sean Hille (Edison, NJ/St. Joseph's (Metuchen)) pitched five solid innings as Montclair State (1-1) picked up its first win of the season as the Red Hawks battered their way past North Carolina Wesleyan, 17-6 at Piedmont College on Saturday afternoon.     

Greensboro (1) Shenandoah (4)
The Hornets were greatly assisted by the Greensboro defense in the fateful sixth, as the Pride committed a pair of errors that led to all four SU runs being unearned.
            
Methodist (8) Averett (5)
MU had 18 hits compared to AU's 14.



Conf/Overall
2-0  05-9 ... NCW
2-1  11-4 ... AU
2-1  10-4 ... MU
1-1  08-3 ... CNU
1-2  06-3 ... SU
0-0  07-1 ... FC
0-3  04-7 ... GB




The USA-South is 50-31 overall
Title: Re: BB: USAC: Imaculata
Post by: hbp on March 06, 2010, 08:15:38 PM
Good luck to the Mighty Macs the rest of the season.  In my humble opinion they have faced the toughest part of their schedule and are well prepared for their conference season.  As far as playing some teams close for all or part of a game that just sounds like baseball to me. I'm sure they will get their first win very soon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
i'm a bit shocked by the ncwc record, but they have  played a pretty brutal schedule

gotta hand it to averett...they were down 7-1 after four and really battled back...jordan didn't have his best stuff...he won't give up 14 hits and 5 er's many times...i'm hoping the monarchs can finish off the road sweep on sunday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 06, 2010, 09:53:30 PM
Quote from: narch on March 06, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
i'm a bit shocked by the ncwc record, but they have  played a pretty brutal schedule

gotta hand it to averett...they were down 7-1 after four and really battled back...jordan didn't have his best stuff...he won't give up 14 hits and 5 er's many times...i'm hoping the monarchs can finish off the road sweep on sunday

Not really worried about my bishops.  They have gone thru a rough early schedule but I think after the run they did last year after starting so poorly last season this kids know they can win.  I mean they did handle SU in conference play and they are 5-2 in south region games.  I think pitching wise they are built for conference games. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 07, 2010, 01:59:19 AM
Quote from: narch on March 06, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
i'm a bit shocked by the ncwc record, but they have  played a pretty brutal schedule

gotta hand it to averett...they were down 7-1 after four and really battled back...jordan didn't have his best stuff...he won't give up 14 hits and 5 er's many times...i'm hoping the monarchs can finish off the road sweep on sunday

Not me ... it's basically a carbon copy of what they did last year as they won the conference tourney.

BUT I still like Methodist to win the regular season!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 07, 2010, 02:40:20 AM
I just came back from Georgia as the Bishops wind down their brutal schedule on 4 games in Fl and 3 more in GA.  Pitching has been the bright spot as coach seem to be experimenting with line up to see what works.  Only basd pitching performance was today.  Very bright spot on some young faces in Fresh OF JJ Allen, Fresh 3B J. Alexander, Fresh C M. McConell, Fresh RHP J. Martin.

Hoping tomorrow's game vs Denison will lead to a well deserved win en route back to Rocky Mount.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 07, 2010, 04:15:19 PM
the monarchs drop game 2, 7-3...i hate split weekend series...the one (and only) thing i liked about the old 3 game format was having a true winner at the end of the weekend...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 07, 2010, 04:41:29 PM
Greensboro (6) Shenandoah (7)
http://suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/releases/20100307p5riwh

For the second straight day, the GC defense failed the Pride as the Hornets (7-3, 2-2 USA South) completed the sweep with a 7-6 win.

Greensboro (4-8, 0-4) committed a pair of errors in the sixth inning Sunday which allowed all three SU runs to be unearned.

The Hornets, who were trailing 5-2 heading into the bottom of the fifth, saw designated hitter Cory Nelson get things started in the sixth with a single through the left side off of Pride reliever Cory Saulsbury (1-2).



Methodist (3) Averett (7)
http://www.sidearmstats.com/averett/baseball/

MU had 10 hits with 4 Errors and AU had 11 hits and was perfect in the field.




CNU (9) Ferrum (7) 10innings

http://www.sidearmstats.com/ferrum/baseball/

CNU had 12 hits with 3 errors and Ferrum had 10 hits with 3 errors.



NCW (11) vs. Denison University (7)


Conf/Overall
2-0  06-9 ... NCW
3-1  12-4 ... AU
2-1  09-3 ... CNU
2-2  07-3 ... SU
2-2  10-5 ... MU
0-1  07-2 ... FC
0-4  04-8 ... GB



The USA-South is 55-34 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 08, 2010, 10:19:01 AM
   Averett earning legit credentials splitting with Methodist; as all suspected, well actually, as all knew, it's a dogfight for the conference, and every team is indeed in the hunt.

  Bummer to play a Monday afternoon (3:00) conference game on the road, tempered somewhat by weather in the mid-60's at Ferrum, and great chili dogs. Wonderful weather for a game!

   Can the State of Virginia put out a few more troopers on I-81? We counted 13 from Harrisonburg to Roanoke yesterday morning. Balancing that law enforcement budget I guess, but it did slow down the monsters of the midway, the Tractor Trailers.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 08, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
Thanks for the heads-up Hokieone...I'm heading down in that direction here shortly. It was terrible last week...no exaggeration, every 3-5 miles I'd see a cop in the median, sometimes back-to-back. I understand they're trying to keep speeders at a minimum, but give me a break.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2010, 01:13:38 PM
Team Batting Avg:
.340 - AU   
.332 - GB   
.322 - FC    
.305 - SU   
.298 - MC   
.295 - CNU   
.265 - NCW   

Team ERA Avg:
3.41 - MU   
4.27 - FC    
4.73 - SU   
4.77 - AU   
4.87 - CNU   
5.05 - NCW   
6.92 - GB   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2010, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 08, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
Thanks for the heads-up Hokieone...I'm heading down in that direction here shortly. It was terrible last week...no exaggeration, every 3-5 miles I'd see a cop in the median, sometimes back-to-back. I understand they're trying to keep speeders at a minimum, but give me a break.

That's easy ... more tickets = more money!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2010, 05:48:39 PM
CNU (0) Ferrum (4)

Penn State-Harrisburg (0) Shenandoah (18)

Penn State-Abington (3) Methodist (16)



Conf/Overall
2-0  06-9 ... NCW
3-1  12-4 ... AU
1-1  08-2 ... FC
2-2  08-3 ... SU
2-2  11-5 ... MU
2-2  09-4 ... CNU
0-4  04-8 ... GB



The USA-South is 58-35 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 08, 2010, 10:44:24 PM
Bad loss today by the Captains. Like I've said before, I firmly believe that if a team can split on the road and take care of business at home they'll be in the thick of things. But I also think there are "good" splits and "bad" splits on the road. Splitting at Methodist, NCWC, or recently Shenandoah could be considered a "good" split. When you're on the road against a team like Averett or Ferrum and you manage to win the first game, you gotta have that killer instinct and go for the sweep...getting a sweep on the road would have been huge. I hate the 2-game conference series (I think, conference wise, it's essentially worthless and doesn't prove much), but I understand why the USAS went to that type of format.

Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk...CNU has Va Wesleyan again followed by NCWC...hopefully my boys can get back on track...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 09, 2010, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 08, 2010, 05:48:39 PM
CNU (0) Ferrum (4)

Penn State-Harrisburg (0) Shenandoah (18)

Penn State-Abington (3) Methodist (16)



Conf/Overall
2-0  06-9 ... NCW
3-1  12-4 ... AU
1-1  08-2 ... FC
2-2  08-3 ... SU
2-2  11-5 ... MU
2-2  09-4 ... CNU
0-4  04-8 ... GB



The USA-South is 58-35 overall.


Congrats to Ferrum for a big win over CNU. It seemed as they could have won the first game also, but couldn't quite hang on in the late innings. This just goes to show that it's gonna be another dog fight in the USA South and any team is capable of winning.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 01:26:35 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 08, 2010, 10:44:24 PM
Bad loss today by the Captains. Like I've said before, I firmly believe that if a team can split on the road and take care of business at home they'll be in the thick of things. But I also think there are "good" splits and "bad" splits on the road. Splitting at Methodist, NCWC, or recently Shenandoah could be considered a "good" split. When you're on the road against a team like Averett or Ferrum and you manage to win the first game, you gotta have that killer instinct and go for the sweep...getting a sweep on the road would have been huge. I hate the 2-game conference series (I think, conference wise, it's essentially worthless and doesn't prove much), but I understand why the USAS went to that type of format.

Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk...CNU has Va Wesleyan again followed by NCWC...hopefully my boys can get back on track...



CNU should of been swept by Ferrum except that Ferrum's D let them down in the top of the 9th as the Panthers were up by 1 starting the 9th.

Christopher Newport 9th - CAULEY-S to dh. ALVAREZ to 3b for PHILLIPS. EASTERLY-T to p for WILSON. LINDEMUTH singled, advanced to second on an error by 3b. SAUNDERS out at first p to 2b, SAC, bunt; LINDEMUTH advanced to third. NEAL flied out to cf, SF, RBI; LINDEMUTH scored, unearned. ROMETT grounded out to 2b. 1 run, 1 hit, 1 error, 0 LOB.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 09, 2010, 06:27:49 AM
That was a back and forth game that could have gone either way. 

"Ferrum trailed 6-5 heading into the bottom of the 8th inning and scored a pair of runs to take a 7-6 lead. CNU was able to plate the tying run in the top of the 9th on Parker Neal's sacrifice fly to center field, scoring Steven Lindemuth. Neal also had a solo homer in the 7th inning."

Both teams had three errors. CNU prevailed.

Fine pitching job yesterday by Mays.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 06:45:06 AM
    Mays pitched a beaut; he kept everything was low and away, all day long. CNU wore out the warning track but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.  Too many long flies, but credit Mays for pitching so that a lot of balls went 375-390, but to dead center where the fence is 400. Good pitching. Chitsaz pitched well for CNU, dancing around some  trouble, but giving up only two runs should be good enough to win normally.

   CNU tried all game long Saturday to give it to Ferrum-I think 4 guys were picked off-but came through with some clutch hits.  The pitching looks like it is both good and deep, but the sticks aren't really hitting on all cylinders yet. Hopefully a nice time to peak would be tournament week, amazingly only about 5 weeks away.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Cannons22 on March 09, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
I have to agree, what a great job by Mays pitching Monday.  I followed the game on the internet, and it seemed like a good game with no errors (compared to 3 by each team Sunday) with ALOT of flyballs by CNU to the outfield.  Of course I couldn't tell how deep they were from the internet, but I'm glad they were of the 375-390 ft. variety.  I was surprised to see so many strikeouts looking (10).  I don't know if this is unusual, but it did seem high to me compared to Sunday's game.     
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 08:37:45 AM
Just maybe Ferrum is another surprise this year in the USA-South?  The perception is that they have two legit starters on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 06:45:06 AM
   Hopefully a nice time to peak would be tournament week, amazingly only about 5 weeks away.


I've heard this is all because of Averett due to the fact that they graduate a week or two earlier than everyone else.

I'm like that individual on the USA-South Men's basketball board ....

Quote from: CaptJ
GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!


But I am all about this ...

GO USA-SOUTH ... KICK AVERETT UNIVERSITY OUT!!!!!

So we can have a logical time of the year for the USA-South tournament vs. middle of April.

Can I get an amen on that?  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Be careful what you wish for. USAS is a great baseball league, but Shenandoah is most certainly departing, probably after this year, leaving the league one team short.   Discussions are under way about all kinds of things, which is as much as I can say with any certainty.  No use fueling a rumor mill, but change will happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 11:08:31 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Be careful what you wish for. USAS is a great baseball league, but Shenandoah is most certainly departing, probably after this year, leaving the league one team short.   Discussions are under way about all kinds of things, which is as much as I can say with any certainty.  No use fueling a rumor mill, but change will happen sooner or later.

Where's Shenandoah University going?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Be careful what you wish for. USAS is a great baseball league, but Shenandoah is most certainly departing, probably after this year, leaving the league one team short.   Discussions are under way about all kinds of things, which is as much as I can say with any certainty.  No use fueling a rumor mill, but change will happen sooner or later.
Thanks for the heads-up.

I have postulated the solution many times.  Let me see if the USA-South agrees.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Be careful what you wish for. USAS is a great baseball league, but Shenandoah is most certainly departing, probably after this year, leaving the league one team short.   Discussions are under way about all kinds of things, which is as much as I can say with any certainty.  No use fueling a rumor mill, but change will happen sooner or later.
Thanks for the heads-up.

I have postulated the solution many times.  Let me see if the USA-South agrees.

Ralph, what's your solution that you have shared?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Cannons22 on March 09, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 09, 2010, 08:37:45 AM
Just maybe Ferrum is another surprise this year in the USA-South?  The perception is that they have two legit starters on the mound.
I sure hope so.  I'm new to college baseball and the USA South, but on paper Ferrum seems young to me.  With only 12 conference games, every game is important.  (Is that stating the obvious or what?)  Like I said, I'm new and it's all exciting to me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2010, 12:50:49 PM
the monarchs get a pretty good test @ vwc this afternoon...i'm interested to see how the pitching is handled with su coming into town this weekend - i suspect that britt will get the start, but be held to a pitch limit to keep him fresh for the weekend...vwc, on the other hand, has a run of tough matchups coming up (MU today, post wednesday, cnu thursday and bridgewater saturday)...mu MAY get the top of their rotation (bulman) since he only went 2 over the weekend...if i remember correct, the monarchs lit bulman up pretty well last year, so i wouldn't be opposed to that matchup...

a couple of monarchs are starting to heat up a little...goodwin and lovette have both pushed their averages over .300 for the first time in a while...mu needs them to hit to really reach full offensive potential - it would be nice to see them start ripping the cover off the ball right about now (through the next 5-6 weeks)

ralph - if you're referring to the usasac/gsac merger, i'd be shocked to see it happen at this point...it makes a lot of sense, but i don't see it...

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 09, 2010, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2010, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Be careful what you wish for. USAS is a great baseball league, but Shenandoah is most certainly departing, probably after this year, leaving the league one team short.   Discussions are under way about all kinds of things, which is as much as I can say with any certainty.  No use fueling a rumor mill, but change will happen sooner or later.
Thanks for the heads-up.

I have postulated the solution many times.  Let me see if the USA-South agrees.

Ralph, what's your solution that you have shared?

Quote from: narch on March 09, 2010, 12:50:49 PM
the monarchs get a pretty good test @ vwc this afternoon...i'm interested to see how the pitching is handled with su coming into town this weekend - i suspect that britt will get the start, but be held to a pitch limit to keep him fresh for the weekend...vwc, on the other hand, has a run of tough matchups coming up (MU today, post wednesday, cnu thursday and bridgewater saturday)...mu MAY get the top of their rotation (bulman) since he only went 2 over the weekend...if i remember correct, the monarchs lit bulman up pretty well last year, so i wouldn't be opposed to that matchup...

a couple of monarchs are starting to heat up a little...goodwin and lovette have both pushed their averages over .300 for the first time in a while...mu needs them to hit to really reach full offensive potential - it would be nice to see them start ripping the cover off the ball right about now (through the next 5-6 weeks)

ralph - if you're referring to the usasac/gsac merger, i'd be shocked to see it happen at this point...it makes a lot of sense, but i don't see it...
As narch mentioned...
Leaving the GSAC Women intact.  Leaving the USA South Women intact.  An affiliation agreement between the USA South men and GSAC men to preserve the AQ for the USA South men.

The timeline that makes the most sense is probably related to Covenant making satisfactory progress in the provisional pipeline which would mean full membership in 2103-14.  Berry may also be in the picture.  Shenandoah might announce plans for the 2011-12 season, but I don't expect that until to hear anything until May-June, when the next round of conference meetings will occur.

I don't think that the ODAC has changed its mind about adding new members.  Shenandoah has travel considerations and the ODAC, the CSAC, and the Capital AC are geographically closer than the USA South.

I do not know who is up for consideration for D-3 provisional status for August 2010.  University of New Orleans is re-classifying from D-1 to D-III this summer.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 09, 2010, 04:05:16 PM
How about the ODAC and USAC make a trade.  SU for VWC makes a lot of sense geographically.  Also VWC was a member of the Dixie back in the day.  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 05:22:03 PM
Surprised that NOBODY is talking about this ...

Eastern Mennonite is fresh off an impressive Old Dominion Athletic Conference sweep of Virginia Wesleyan.

The Marlins were voted second in the ODAC's preseason poll, but the Royals (voted 8th out of 10) pounded out 23 runs Saturday in Virginia Beach, winning by 12-8 and 11-7 scores.

Game 1:
R   H   E
12-09-04 ... EMU
08-07-03 ... VWC

EMU chased Bulman after 2.0 IP, 14 batters faced, 4 hits, 5 runs and 3 BB's.

Game 2:
R   H   E
11-17-03 ... EMU
07-10-01 ... VWC

EMU chased Samuels after 2.0 IP, 15 batters faced, 7 hits, 5 runs.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 09, 2010, 05:43:03 PM
Impressive to be sure...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 09, 2010, 06:29:44 PM
You make an excellent point Catfish...it seems we've beening hearing "Shenandoah is leaving the conference" rumors forever, but most reasons I've heard always involve being more "competitive, although I have no idea how much truth (if any) there is to that. It doesn't seem to me like they get pounded in everything...I know for a fact they swept us during the regular season in men's basketball (although we knocked them out in the semi's), but geographically is does make a heck of a lot more sense.

And the EMU sweep is crazy to say the least...I assumed that would be an easy sweep for VWC. Maybe the Marlins thought the samething...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2010, 09:14:13 PM
Albertus Magnus (0) Shenandoah (19)    
Albertus Magnus (7) Shenandoah (25)
   
Methodist (4) Va. Wesleyan (3)

Averett (5) Lynchburg (10)

Conf/Overall
2-0  06-9 ... NCW
3-1  12-5 ... AU
1-1  08-2 ... FC
2-2  10-3 ... SU
2-2  12-5 ... MU
2-2  09-4 ... CNU
0-4  04-8 ... GB


The USA-South is 61-36 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2010, 09:35:16 PM
willingham pitched 6 strong innings again today, giving up 6 hits, 0 er and 7 k's...but no win...rusty white came in after britt pitched the 7th and was the recipient of a monarch comeback win...mu improves to 12-5 going into su weekend...should be fun...looks like the su offense got uncorked in a big way today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 10, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
Albertus Magnus (3) CNU (10)
Albertus Magnus (3) CNU (15)
        
Greensboro (12) Lynchburg (14)
      
Averett (4) Randolph-Macon (3) 10inn

Penn State-Harrisburg (0) Ferrum (23) 7inn



Conf/Overall
2-0  06-9 ... NCW
3-1  13-5 ... AU
1-1  09-2 ... FC
2-2  10-3 ... SU
2-2  11-4 ... CNU
2-2  12-5 ... MU
0-4  04-9 ... GB


The USA-South is 65-37 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 11, 2010, 07:47:57 AM
Albertus Magnus-real nice kids but providing basically live BP for USAS.  They went through so many arms with SU and CNU that the trainer may need to throw against NCWC.   They are another northern school getting outside for the first time and taking their lumps in exchange.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on March 11, 2010, 08:23:48 AM
It was very nice to see all the young CNU arms throw. CNU looks like they have good arms for the next 4 years.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 11, 2010, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 10, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
The USA-South is 65-37 overall.
...and more importantly, 53-25 in ooc games (the conference record is irrelevant...it will always be .500)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 11, 2010, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 08, 2010, 01:13:38 PM
Team Batting Avg:
.340 - AU   
.332 - GB   
.322 - FC    
.305 - SU   
.298 - MC   
.295 - CNU   
.265 - NCW   

Team ERA Avg:
3.41 - MU   
4.27 - FC    
4.73 - SU  
4.77 - AU   
4.87 - CNU   
5.05 - NCW   
6.92 - GB   



Stats as March 11 (all games):



Team Batting Avg:
.350 - SU
.337 - AU  
.333 - GB  
.322 - FC    
.315 - MC  
.299 - CNU  
.265 - NCW  

Team ERA Avg:

3.30 - MU  
3.54 - FC    
3.97 - SU
4.57 - CNU  
4.86 - AU  
5.05 - NCW  
7.62 - GB  


Penn State-Fayette (3) Averett (5)
Penn State-Fayette (0) Averett (8)   

Greensboro (4) Wash. & Lee (11)   

CNU (5) Va. Wesleyan (8)

Albertus Magnus (5) N.C. Wesleyan (8)       

     

Conf/Overall
2-0  07-9 ... NCW
3-1  15-5 ... AU
1-1  09-2 ... FC
2-2  10-3 ... SU
2-2  12-5 ... MU
2-2  11-5 ... CNU
0-4  04-10 . GB


The USA-South is 68-39 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 12, 2010, 10:38:17 AM
I am really impressed with the conference batting averages so far. For the worst batting average to be .265 thats pretty darn good. Thats not a slap in the face to NCWC either they run a good program down there and are always competive no matter what.  But wow, if I were a team comming in to play anyone from the USA South I would a little worried after seeing how well everyone is swinging it thus far.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 12, 2010, 11:10:06 AM
The most intriguing match-up for the weekend is Shenandoah visiting Methodist.

The leagues hot hitters with a team .350 average take on the leagues best pitching staff with a league low of a 3.30 ERA.

Who wins and why?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 12, 2010, 04:08:02 PM
My guess is pitching will win.  Good pitching usually shuts down good hitting.  Methodist has a good 1-2 in L. Jordan and T. Britt.

Calling for a lot of rain this weekend in Newport News, just wondering if NCWC will get this one in.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 12, 2010, 08:36:53 PM
CNU-NCWC may go to  Sunday- Monday, or two on Monday..stay tuned...and dry.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 13, 2010, 10:06:05 AM
As of now its really good weather in Newport News, weather.com says the rain will hold off until 4 so we should be able to get one game in today.  As for sunday thats another story, the only thing we really have going for us on sunday is that its only like a 30-40% chance of rain but who knows. GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 13, 2010, 03:59:34 PM
Shenandoah (4) Methodist (2) ... SU's VanSickler throws a 4-hitter as SU bangs out 15 hits.  Landon Jordan gets chased after going 6.2 IP, 12hits, 4runs, 3er, 1bb and 5KO's.

NC Wesleyan (8) CNU (12)

Piedmont (10) Greensboro (4)
Piedmont (8) Greensboro (7)



Conf/Overall
3-1  15-05 ... AU
2-1  07-10 ... NCW
3-2  11-03 ... SU
3-2  12-05 ... CNU
1-1  09-02 ... FC
2-3  12-06 ... MU
0-4  04-12 ... GB


The USA-South is 70-43 overall.



Here's something WHAT IF everyone did a split one year?  How would a conference champion be determined if everyone has a 6-6 conference record?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 13, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Outrageous offensive game today at Newport News.  CNU beats NCWC 12-8.  Pretty poor pitching by NCWC until Richard Wall took the mound.  Starters are being left in the game too long.  Offense finally got on track.

CNU looked horrible defensively but they hit enough to win.  JR Webb vs SO Chitsaz going tomorrow I assume.  May be  a high scoring game again.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 14, 2010, 11:21:48 AM
LTHSDad: Curious about why you said CNU looked horrible defensively.  I only have the benefit of the boxscore to go by, but it says they made 1 error.  They've been averaging more than that in every other game -- definitely would be nice to see them tighten up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 14, 2010, 12:14:48 PM
From listening to the game yesterday, the Bishop's defense made some key error's which lead to the big 5th inning (all 5 unearned runs). The defense has to improve for us to win. The Bishop's have hurt themselves all year with poor defense. Hopefully that will be cleaned up over upcoming games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 14, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
CNU plays flawless  defense, gets excellent pitching, and earns the sweep of NCWC, 9-4.  CNU bullpen continues to be impressive. Chitsaz throws another nice game, 7 innings, 5 hits, 4 runs, but got the big outs when he really needed them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Gb_South on March 14, 2010, 08:20:54 PM
FC(11) AU(10)
Averett had 14 hits with 4 errors.
Ferrum had 10 hits and no errors.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 14, 2010, 08:25:08 PM
Good news all the way around for CNU.  Nice to see Chitsaz on the way back.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 14, 2010, 09:31:05 PM
Shenandoah (1) Methodist (13) ... MU's Kurt Kelly goes 7.0 IP, 5 hits, 1run, 4bb's with 1KO and Methodist banged out 20 hits on the day.       

NC Wesleyan (4) CNU (9)
            
Piedmont (14)  Greensboro (5)            

Averett (10) Ferrum (11)



Conf/Overall
(1) 4-2  13-05 ... CNU
(2) 2-1  10-02 ... FC
(3) 3-2  15-06 ... AU
(4) 3-3  11-04 ... SU
(4) 3-3  13-06 ... MU
(6) 2-2  07-11 ... NCW
(7) 0-4  04-13 ... G
B


The USA-South is 72-45 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 14, 2010, 10:08:05 PM
After the 3rd weekend of conference play complete, well almost with Averett and Ferrum going tomorrow at 7pm.

My prediction is not looking very good back on Jan. 9th as I have NOBODY picked correctly.

Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 09, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AMShenandoah is no secret - they will be the team to beat this year.  That said, there are several teams bunched up right behind them ready to take their place. 
If you don't bring your A-game then you will not win in the USA-South.  From what I saw last year during the USA-South tourney and with what everyone has returning.

1-Methodist
2-SU
3-NCWC
4-CNU
5-Ferrum
6-Greensboro
7-Averett


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 14, 2010, 10:19:40 PM
Well I would not say anyone is out of it yet, so you still have a chance. From what I have seen so far it really has been a mixed bag, one day good pitching the next a offensive war. The one thing I thing I have noticed the most is teams don't seem really confident in their bullpens. A lot of starts are being left in to long. So as the season continues I think the team that prepares their pens the best will come out on top. I have really been impressed with the hitting this year and most teams are starting to really pick up steam there. Good luck to everyone and thanks for all the good baseball to watch.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 15, 2010, 08:36:45 AM
    CNU pitching has really impressed me. Brinkman was known to be a solid #1 and has lived up to  the role. Chitsaz won a 4 way fight for the #2 spot and has throw very well, but the other three can spot start and throw long relief. Freshmen Fleischmann (12 innings, 2.19 ERA) and Goldsmith (6 innings, 0.00 ERA) have provided critical innings to bridge the gap between the starters and the closer, Malvagna, who seems to have found his home at games' end.  Better him than me, but he stays cool.    A lefty frosh, Verdillo, is also starting to get into the bullpen mix-he throws hard and Coach Harvell thinks enough of him to put him into a critical spot late against a good hitting NCWC team Sunday. A few other guys have pitched some good innings, with occasional lapses, but overall there is a lot of good pitching going on.   

   Timing of course is everything and hopefully our Captains will peak at the right time. The hitting that we thought was there is beginning to get more consistent but a long season to go yet.  Shenandoah provided a textbook example of getting hot at the right time last year, rolling all the  way to Appleton, a realistic target still for many USAS teams.

   This is such a wonderful conference for baseball that I'd hate to see it change. Every conference game every week takes on the feel of intense rivalry. There are a whole lot of good baseball players in the USAS. Many players are friends with players on other teams, and there are surely plenty of not-so-warm-but-tolerably-respectful relations as well.   It's a wonderful experience for all of these guys.      The conference as a whole hitting .316?  Just silly.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 15, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
I'm glad to see some chatter on here...I can't stomach to read more of my usual Hokie message boards. In the words of an admin from techsideline.com, "I'm sick of meeting last year's criteria for an NCAA bid this year, hitting this year's criteria last year, and hitting next year's criteria two years ago". Much like the rest of Hokie nation I'm feeling pretty darn agitated this morning, so if any of my comments come across as condescending please forgive me.

On a bright spot, I couldn't be happier to see the Captains take of business this weekend at home. The defense does seem to be improving and the pitching is doing enough to give the CNU bats a chance to win, which is half the battle in college baseball.

I agree with Hokieone on all points except for "hating to see it (the conference) change". I honestly feel that a move back to a 3-game conference weekend would allow us to see who the deepest team really is. As is, you can throw all your big guns in a quick 2-game series, but I think it would be interesting to see who has enough arms to throw that 3rd game. I understand that only having a 2-game series keeps a lot of teams "in it" until the end, but is it more important to keep teams "in it", or more important to visually see more disparity but gain an understanding of who the better/deeper teams are? Just a little food for thought on a Monday morning...

Now time for me to get back to cussing the selection committee...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 15, 2010, 09:37:48 AM
CNU25 I am with you! I mean what where they thinking??? Quick post before all the days meetings. I got to see the CNU NCW game Sunday and it was a good game. I think the one killing blow for NCW came on a ball that a play was not made on, it let CNU score and kill the Mo. The pitching was good, not great but the pitchers did a good job of keeping their teams in the game. The weather is warming up and so is the hitting wow .361 for the conference! Man these kids can hit. Anyone one who the sidearmer was for NCW?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 15, 2010, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 15, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
I agree with Hokieone on all points except for "hating to see it (the conference) change". I honestly feel that a move back to a 3-game conference weekend would allow us to see who the deepest team really is. As is, you can throw all your big guns in a quick 2-game series, but I think it would be interesting to see who has enough arms to throw that 3rd game. I understand that only having a 2-game series keeps a lot of teams "in it" until the end, but is it more important to keep teams "in it", or more important to visually see more disparity but gain an understanding of who the better/deeper teams are? Just a little food for thought on a Monday morning...



If last year was a 3-game series, then most likely CNU and SU would be at home, so what is best for the conference, playing 3-game series or getting the most teams into Reg'l play?

Really, Methodist could of been in the Reg'ls last year who were much better than York.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 15, 2010, 10:11:15 AM
I also liked the 3 game series, but as this board has discussed many times before it almost hurts the conference in getting atlarge regional bids.  We are almost beating up on each other.  The regular season really means nothing in the conference so to roll the ball out for another game in conference only shows you are better than that team that weekend/ regualr season.  The tournament is where the champion is crowned.  I like the 3 game series but I think it is best for the conference to stay at a 2 game series just to get better regional representation.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 15, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
I completely understand...with other conferences adopting the 2-game series it would certainly put the USA South behind the 8 ball when it comes to Regional At-Large bids. It made all the sense in the world for the USAS to follow suit with other conferences because it was like we were beating up on one another. The point I was trying to make is that, to me at least, it would make more sense baseball-wise to reward the deeper teams as opposed to the ones that might have 1-2 good arms. But for some reason that's not how Div. III works, thus the reason for the change.

Thank you guys correcting me on that...I was so full of piss-and-vinegar this morning I obviously didn't type very clearly:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 15, 2010, 01:37:46 PM
kurt kelly came up HUGE for the monarchs yesterday after van sickler looked like a shut-down pitcher on saturday - i don't like split conference weekends unless the monarchs lose on saturday...then i love 'em :)...a sweep by su could have been a disaster for the monarchs

if kelly can bring that type of effort as the #2 starter for the rest of the year, the monarchs will be in great shape

i think 9 conference wins will take the usasac regular season crown...your thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 15, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
since almost everyone is at the 1/2 way point, i decided to handicap this race going forward

i combined overall and conference w/l records for each conference team to determine who had played the most difficult conference schedule, to date, and who had the "easiest" remaining road...with the caveat that i don't think there is an easy weekend in the usasac

here are the "toughest" conference schedules played, in order (overall/conference win%):
fc (.711/.636), mu (.717/.588), ncwc (.719/.583), gc (.706/.545), cnu (.612/.538), au (.563/.385), su (.444/.357)

here are the "easiest" remaining schedules (games remaining):
mu (6), cnu (6), fc (9), ncwc (8), au (7), gc (8), su (6)

the monarchs remaining conference teams have the following splits: .447/.364 while cnu's remaining conference opponents come in at .549/.400 and fc has 9 games against conference teams who are .545/.440 - ncwc has 8 vs. .597/.444, au has 7 vs. .645/.579, gc has 8 vs. .647/.583 and su has 6 vs. .729/.643

at this point, i'm not willing to count ANYONE out of the regular season race, but i will point out that gc has the second toughest remaining conference schedule and is already 2 behind in the loss column and 4 back in the win column...that's a tough road

the fc/au game tonight is big for both teams...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 15, 2010, 02:45:19 PM
Does anyone remember how tie breakers are determined come tournament time? I understand it is a little ways away but you have to think there will be some sort of tie with all the teams right now sporting compatible records.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RSSmith on March 15, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: cnufan on March 15, 2010, 02:45:19 PM
Does anyone remember how tie breakers are determined come tournament time? I understand it is a little ways away but you have to think there will be some sort of tie with all the teams right now sporting compatible records.

Check the conference handbook.

http://www.usasouth.net/manuals/admin_directory.shtml

You'll have to register.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 15, 2010, 05:30:24 PM
With a dart board....  actually, that probably  makes as much sense as the explanation I got two years ago when 5 teams went into the final weekend tied for first.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 15, 2010, 06:48:34 PM
Follow Averett vs. Ferrum LIVE stats ... 7pm start:
http://www.sidearmstats.com/ferrum/baseball/index.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 15, 2010, 08:10:47 PM
Boysofsummer,
you are not kidding...starting pitching gets left out to give you 7-8 runs before they come out...always tough on offense when pitchers are left in too long.  Best bullpen I think wins this whole thing.  Also team with sharpest nbr 3 starter gets the advantage.

By the way, the righty that pitched Sunday vs. CNU is senior John Child.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 15, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 15, 2010, 08:10:47 PM
Boysofsummer,
you are not kidding...starting pitching gets left out to give you 7-8 runs before they come out...always tough on offense when pitchers are left in too long.  Best bullpen I think wins this whole thing.  Also team with sharpest nbr 3 starter gets the advantage.

By the way, the righty that pitched Sunday vs. CNU is senior John Child.

Thanks he did a good job. CNU threw some freshmen and the closer and they all looked good. Wondering if they get enough work that could help them in the long run. NCW seem to be ok while they where up but when they got down they started getting on each other, hope the team chem gets better.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 15, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
Team chemistry not too good.  You read it on point.  We play well when on top, but once adversity hits, players seem to handle poorly.  Only 3 seniors on team, which only 2 play regularly.  Senior leadership lacking with 17 fresh/soph on roster.  Really young team.  We are having issues hitting this year as well.

Some turmoil on team as well, I hope they will get it together.  I heard one player quit today, I hope not.  I see a different lineup everyday, which may be due to inconsistency of team.

CNU played really well.  OF Shannon Mark, OF Drue Vernon and SS Parker Neal hit the crap out the ball.  Really solid young lineup for the Captains.  I take my hat off!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 15, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
Averett (8) Ferrum (10)

Arcadia (4) NC Wesleyan (13)


Conf/Overall

(1) 3-1  11-02 ... FC
(2) 4-2  13-05 ... CNU
(3) 3-3  11-04 ... SU
(3) 3-3  13-06 ... MU
(3) 3-3  15-07 ... AU
(3) 2-2  08-11 ... NCW
(7) 0-4  04-13 ... GB



The USA-South is 74-48 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
Ferrum was starting to get votes for the top 25 do you think todays lost (17-5) to HSC will hurt them in next weeks poll?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 16, 2010, 10:53:52 PM
Ferrum (5) Hampden Sydney (17)

Maryville (14) Averett (2)

Arcadia (6) Greensboro (10)
Arcadia (0) Greensboro (9) ... Manfro tosses a NO-HITTER near perfect game with 11KO's, 1BB, 4 Ground Ball Outs and 6 Fly Outs.



(1) 3-1  11-03 ... FC
(2) 4-2  13-05 ... CNU
(3) 3-3  11-04 ... SU
(3) 3-3  13-06 ... MU
(3) 3-3  15-08 ... AU
(3) 2-2  08-11 ... NCW
(7) 0-4  06-13 ... GB


The USA-South is 77-50 overall.





Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
Ferrum was starting to get votes for the top 25 do you think todays lost (17-5) to HSC will hurt them in next weeks poll?

Not sure BUT Ferrum still remains in 1st place in the USA-South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2010, 02:16:41 PM
not a bad line for manfro :) - it's interesting that he went 9 against an out of region team on a tuesday with a conference weekend coming up...is this a sign that he's lost a weekend starting gig? i thought he should have been closing after seeing him throw last year...he was really good early, but appeared to tire and got hit hard...his stuff was nasty for 2-3 innings, though

the monarchs have a big regional test today vs. rhodes...the lynx are 12-6 with some pretty nice wins - i'll be interested to see who is on the mound for mu...willingham pitched well vs. vwc in a mid-week regional match up last week, perhaps he'll get the ball today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 17, 2010, 04:07:54 PM
Maybe Greensboro was desperate for the win...who knows? At 6-13 it looks like they needed a sweep. Regardless of how bad Arcadia is, a no-hitter is impressive at any level...congrats to the kid.

And after looking back at the scores, I'm seriously upset to see I wasn't on here the day Averett knocked off the Roaring Lions of Penn State-Fayette...I had some good material for that too:)

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 17, 2010, 04:43:23 PM
It's never too late for good material....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2010, 07:48:06 PM
I agree good material is always welcome. Anyone know if Arcadia U has a baseball team? Wow watched Averett on live stats today and it was brutal. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 17, 2010, 09:32:20 PM
Maryville (0) Greensboro (2)

Arcadia (1) Averett (20)

Rhodes (6) Methodist (1)



(1) 3-1  11-03 ... FC
(2) 4-2  13-05 ... CNU
(3) 3-3  11-04 ... SU
(3) 3-3  16-08 ... AU
(3) 3-3  13-07 ... MU
(3) 2-2  08-11 ... NCW
(7) 0-4  07-13 ... GB


The USA-South is 79-51 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 17, 2010, 09:32:20 PMRhodes (6) Methodist (1)
tough loss for mu to a good rhodes team...they play a lot like the monarchs do...lots of small ball, hit and run, making the defense work...offensively they make a pitcher throw a lot of pitches and they got a number of two strike hits - willingham looked really solid, at times...he's got solid stuff and should be a good one going forward for mu - the monarchs banged out 10 hits, but only scored one run due to a couple of baserunning gaffs - ferrum this weekend...huge series
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 18, 2010, 09:30:23 PM
Montclair State (7) Shenandoah (15)

VA Wesleyan (8) NC Wesleyan (4)

Lynchburg (19) Ferrum (5)

Rhodes (7) Greensboro (5)



(1) 3-1  11-04 ... FC
(2) 4-2  13-05 ... CNU
(3) 3-3  12-04 ... SU
(3) 3-3  16-08 ... AU
(3) 3-3  13-07 ... MU
(3) 2-2  08-12 ... NCW
(7) 0-4  07-14 ... GB


The USA-South is 80-54 overall.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 19, 2010, 05:33:52 AM
Ferrum's weekday pitchers give up 36 runs in two games-ouch!  They'll need a little more depth come tournament time.

Is  there a better story anywhere than Jeff Taylor, Jr. having a great senior year for Lynchburg (who put 19 of those runs on Ferrum)?   A wonderful young man whose dad was tragically killed last spring, struck by a line drive while throwing BP. Jeff's dad was a good friend to many who post on here, a huge baseball fan, a devout Christian, a prolific e-mailer, and a Professor in the Sports Medicine Program at Liberty. He was close to finishing the work for his doctorate when he died and it was presented to his family. Jeff, Jr. is just tearing it up this spring-a recent mini-slump "dropped" his average to the low .400's.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 19, 2010, 06:36:38 AM
That's a nice tribute to the Jeff Taylors.  Can you refresh my memory on what "AG" stands for? 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 19, 2010, 12:46:11 PM
In the years that I knew Jeff, I honestly never knew and never asked. It seems like  I found out shortly after he passed away but my feeble brain isn't coming up with it. Maybe some of the other folks will know. Jeff regularly, and I  mean daily, e-mailed a boatload of dads about their sons. I still have saved on my phone the last two text messages I got from him, congratulating my son on a good game at CNU.   He sure was a great guy.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 20, 2010, 07:10:44 AM
Must sweep for NCWC this weekend vs. Greensboro.  I expect to see Max Knowles and Andrew Webb going for us on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 20, 2010, 06:33:38 PM
Friday result:
Franklin & Marshall (16) Averett (13)

Saturday:
N.C. Wesleyan (16) Greensboro (9)     

Franklin & Marshall (1) Shenandoah (3)
Franklin & Marshall (13) Shenandoah (15)

Ferrum (7) Methodist (8)

Averett (4) CNU (5)



(1) 5-2  13-05 ... CNU
(2) 3-2  11-05 ... FC
(2) 3-2  09-12 ... NCW
(4) 4-3  14-07 ... MU
(5) 3-3  14-04 ... SU
(6) 3-4  16-10 ... AU
(7) 0-5  07-15 ... GB


The USA-South is 85-57 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 20, 2010, 07:58:37 PM
Ok someone who knows CNU needs to explain something to me, is CNU's bullpen really that bad that they have to leave their starting pitching in till they can get to the closer? Brinkman is a stud, but at the rate I am looking at in the stats he won't be able to walk let alone pitch when the tourney gets here. It is fantasy baseball weekend for me and the gang so we headed to a friends house and stopped by the CNU game second weekend in a row and they tried to send brink out in the ninth, just don't get it. So geeks and all we looked at the reliever stats for CNU. Fleischmann, Goldsmith, Verdillo and Harsanyi seem to be who they have used but in the last 2 weeks of games they have 3 innings combined. I think it will be tough for one of them to step on the mound when it counts and throw well just due to lack of work. But hey I am sure they are ready. Good win for CNU tough lose for Averett. See what happens tomorrow between Ferrum and Methodist, would be a huge sweep.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 20, 2010, 08:31:17 PM
Can't speak to the relief pitching, but I think it's pretty reasonable for a #1 starter to be able to go 7 or 8 innings once a week. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 20, 2010, 09:06:32 PM
Brinkman went 8 innings and only gave up 6 hits and i earned run.  Not like he was struggling so much the bullpen was needed.  Like vabaseball said a #1 pitcher should be able to go 8 innings no problem. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 20, 2010, 09:54:37 PM
Yea it makes since and he is pitch well just wondering if he will run out of gas. CNU has had very good starting pitching so they are doing something right. Just hurting my USA South Fantasy team lol! Also anyone see the Ferum - Methodist game and give me a run down? Thanks for the great weather to how ever ordered it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 20, 2010, 09:58:21 PM
Oh and by the way went and checked Brinkman's stats and I was wrong in the first place as by the stat line he has not thrown a ton of innings. Probably should have checked those first. But thanks for the replies.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 21, 2010, 06:28:38 AM
USA South Conference Stats ... Before March 20th games:

Batting Avg/Games Played:

.321 - (6) MU
.320 - (6) AU
.288 - (4) NCW
.275 - (6) SU
.274 - (4) GB
.255 - (6) CNU



Team ERA:

3.29 - MU
3.74 - CNU
4.24 - NCW
4.67 - AU
4.76 - GB
5.11 - FC
5.54 - SU



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 21, 2010, 08:34:30 AM
Harsanyi, Goldsmith,  Fleischmann, and Malvagna  have pitched well out of the bullpen. Verdillo is just now getting his feet wet but is impressive so far. On 2-3 occcasions, the last three innings or so have been  rolled out with different relievers throwing one inning each and Malvagna closing. Malvagna is a cool customer with a senior's maturity and doesn't get rattled when guys get on base-he's a good closer. He can also throw a couple innings if necessary.  It looks like all of this bunch holds the coaches' confidence. Brinkman is strong, and while you can always look back as an outsider and say perhaps here or there maybe pull him an inning earlier, generally speaking innings appear to have been managed well. I like the CNU bullpen.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 21, 2010, 04:03:34 PM
Averett (7) CNU (5)

Franklin & Marshall (6) Shenandoah (10)

NC Wesleyan (5) Greensboro (2) 11innings

Ferrum (2) Methodist (11)



(1) 4-2  10-12 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  13-06 ... CNU
(2) 5-3  15-07 ... MU
(4) 3-3  15-04 ... SU
(4) 3-3  11-06 ... FC
(4) 4-4  17-10 ... AU
(7) 0-6  07-16 ... GB



The USA-South is 88-61 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 21, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
big, fat, huge sweep for the monarchs this weekend...mu brought the big sticks today, with 4 hr's in the 2nd inning (2 from halpin and inghram, such and halpin went back-to-back-to-back) - with 4 games remaining in the usasac (2 with greensboro), i like where the monarchs are sitting
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 22, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
NCWC has a big weekend with sweep at Greensboro College.  With the win NCWC goes to 4-2 in Conference slightly ahead of Methodist and CNU.  Series with Methodist in Rocky Mount this weekend should be a good one.

Starting pitchers are going deep into games, which worries me a bit about bullpen work, which I think generally is where games at this level are won.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 22, 2010, 09:04:46 AM
    I can't see how his arm will stay on with many more pitch counts like he has had, but Jake Loye earned the respect of CNU's guys Sunday. He pitched a good game and has a nice ability to throw a sharp slider for strike one. My Captains left 13  on base, and 4 times couldn't get a guy in from third with less than two outs.  Ouch.  Credit Loye with battling well when the heat was on, he did it all day long.   He's one  of the best we've seen this year.    Averett can hit and they hung in there, snuffing a couple  of CNU rallies when it looked like the Captains were going to take the lead.

    Huge weekend at Shenandoah after a mid-week return trip to Farmville for HSC. Shenandoah is gonna wear out all that nice new grass with all  this run scoring they're doing.    Brinkman v. Van Sickler will be worth the price of admission (Unless there has been a policy change, SU DOES charge admission, the only USAS team to do so).

Should be another great weekend for USAS baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 22, 2010, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 22, 2010, 09:04:46 AM
       Huge weekend at Shenandoah after a mid-week return trip to Farmville for HSC. Shenandoah is gonna wear out all that nice new grass with all  this run scoring they're doing.    Brinkman v. Van Sickler will be worth the price of admission (Unless there has been a policy change, SU DOES charge admission, the only USAS team to do so).


"hokieone", did you not say that they have such nice restrooms facilities up there in Winchester?   :)   

Maybe that is why you have to pay the admission?  >:(
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 22, 2010, 10:35:19 AM
Maybe they should take that money and invest in getting a new field surface:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 22, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
To futher hokieone's post, I spoke to a couple of the players last night that said Loye was the best pitcher they've seen all year. I was a little skeptical of him (usually guys that play 2-ways have a good fastball and that's it) at first, but he seems like the real deal.

CNU needed that sweep though...as I've said many times before, you have to sweep the Averett's and Ferrum's of the world to get that #1 seed. But with the way it's set up, I guess it doesn't really matter who wins the regular season out-right...but it's still always nice for bragging rights :) And a HUGE series this week at Shenandoah. I hope to catch a couple innings between my softball games...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 22, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
Shenandoah has re-surfaced their infield. I've only seen pictures but it looks good and should be a huge improvement. Now if only Parks and Rec would turn on the water and unlock the bathrooms before April 1; honestly, the risk of pipes freezing is gone for this year-it was 70 degrees plus this past weekend!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 22, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
After reading the box score for the AU vs. CNU game it seemed as if Averett could have easily swept CNU, just like Ferrum could have, but costly errors hurt them in the end. Averett had a a total of 5 errors to CNU's 1 and 8 hits to CNU's 9. CNU and Averett both had 3 errors in the second game which hurt both teams respectively. So I am not sure if CNU needs to be worried about sweeping the Ferrum's or Averett's of the league or just be happy that they managed a split with both. Ferrum and Averett have both shown they can contend with any team in the conference and I still feel that the conference is up for grabs. Like everyone has stated in the pervious posts it is going to come down to the pitching depth, which seems to be a problem for most teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 22, 2010, 02:36:18 PM
Ooooorrrrrrr maybe they should be worried about sweeping those teams. I've never known a good team that is ever "happy" with a split...you always play for the sweep, no matter the opponent. Whenever the conference schedule is released we used to immediately find the weekends we played Averett & Ferrum and know that those are two teams we should sweep simply because our talent was superior. I understand talent alone doesn't win ballgames, but it sure as hell doesn't hurt. There are teams we knew would push us, and ones we knew we could dominate as well...the said schools fell under the later. That was the mindset of Christopher Newport athletics period, and I'm sure it still resides within the individuals that currently play there. That's one reason we've won the Presidents Cup for over a decade straight, and also probably the reason a lot of schools don't like us...

We can also take the number crunching a little further and look at a rather obvious statistic, runners left on base. During game 1 CNU left 11 runners on while Averett left 8, and during game 2 CNU left 13 runners on while Averett left 8 again. It sounds like CNU had runners on base all weekend but just couldn't find the big hit, which will undoubtedly come when the offense starts to click (I consider the fact that it isn't yet a good thing). Maybe Averett should be counting their many blessings the offense isn't clicking yet. But if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts...

The beautiful (and annoying) thing about statistics is you can spin them any way you want to support whatever argument you want. The bottom line, regardless of my opinion, is that AU walked in to Captains park and walked out with a split, which they should be commended for.

I'll get to watch my Captains play for the first time this weekend. Take care of business boys...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 22, 2010, 04:28:02 PM
cnuball25,

how long ago did you play?

Ferrum was in the regional in 2005 and 2007. In 2005 they lost in the regional championship to HSC.  In 2007 they lost a heart breaker in the regional championship to Emory. They may have been down in 08 & 09 (adjusting to a new coach and his style) but they have historically been very good.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 22, 2010, 06:31:37 PM
    True, they went to Regionals every year from 1988-1996, extremely impressive, then twice since then, 2005, and 2007. So if you play with numbers, they've either been there 2 0f past 5 years, 40%, certainly good, or 2 of past 13 , 15%, not so much.    It all depends...just like how long a minute is depends upon which side of the bathroom door you're on... and one foot in a bucket of fire, and one foot in a bucket of ice, means on average, you're comfortable. Numbers can say whatever you want. Just ask Congress...okay, bad example.

   Sharpen your calculators gentlemen. 

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 22, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Mt. Aloysius (3) Shenandoah (24)

(1) 4-2  10-12 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  13-06 ... CNU
(2) 5-3  15-07 ... MU
(4) 3-3  16-04 ... SU
(4) 3-3  11-06 ... FC
(4) 4-4  17-10 ... AU
(7) 0-6  07-16 ... GB



The USA-South is 89-61 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 22, 2010, 08:01:17 PM
Falcon: I graduated a couple years ago, and played at CNU from 06'-08'...before that I played at a small D I (was D II when I was there) in South Carolina. I understand historically they have been very good, but I'm speaking from the standpoint during my tenure at CNU.

Regardless of abilities, it always seemed like Ferrum and NC Wesleyan had a good bunch of guys. From getting to know a couple, to talking with them before games, both teams seemed to have a number players we got along well with. Now Greensboro, Averett, and Shenandoah on other hand...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 22, 2010, 10:17:25 PM
 Nice of SU to put in the subs once they got up 16-2 in the 7th inning today against 3-12 Mount Aloysius, on their way  to a 25-3 win. Of course you can't tell the subs not to hit, and they put up 9 more.  The Mounties did win 23 games last year, although the conference doesn't look too strong. In skimming the past records, I can't see where they've ever beaten Shenandoah, even when SU wasn't where they are now, but they usually kept the margin of loss to under 10 runs, a moral victory I guess.

SU gets a little better test with Washington and Lee tomorrow before facing 6-6 Messiah, who sounds like more BP material but who actually won 28 games two years ago. I'd be careful with a school named Messiah one week before Easter...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 22, 2010, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 22, 2010, 02:36:18 PM
Ooooorrrrrrr maybe they should be worried about sweeping those teams. I've never known a good team that is ever "happy" with a split...you always play for the sweep, no matter the opponent. Whenever the conference schedule is released we used to immediately find the weekends we played Averett & Ferrum and know that those are two teams we should sweep simply because our talent was superior. I understand talent alone doesn't win ballgames, but it sure as hell doesn't hurt. There are teams we knew would push us, and ones we knew we could dominate as well...the said schools fell under the later. That was the mindset of Christopher Newport athletics period, and I'm sure it still resides within the individuals that currently play there. That's one reason we've won the Presidents Cup for over a decade straight, and also probably the reason a lot of schools don't like us...

We can also take the number crunching a little further and look at a rather obvious statistic, runners left on base. During game 1 CNU left 11 runners on while Averett left 8, and during game 2 CNU left 13 runners on while Averett left 8 again. It sounds like CNU had runners on base all weekend but just couldn't find the big hit, which will undoubtedly come when the offense starts to click (I consider the fact that it isn't yet a good thing). Maybe Averett should be counting their many blessings the offense isn't clicking yet. But if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts...

The beautiful (and annoying) thing about statistics is you can spin them any way you want to support whatever argument you want. The bottom line, regardless of my opinion, is that AU walked in to Captains park and walked out with a split, which they should be commended for.

I'll get to watch my Captains play for the first time this weekend. Take care of business boys...

Well the better team can get those runners on base in...it seems CNU's hitting couldn't do it. Averett also put on 6 runners with HBP and walks so if you want to really dig deep into the stats CNU only really left 7 runners on base and Averett put on the other 6. But CNU must have had their "1-legged short-stop" and used "ghost-runners" that game. Since Averett can only handle teams of that skill level.  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 23, 2010, 06:33:53 AM
RE: SU and Messiah. I don't know anything about Messiah's baseball program, but they are topnotch in alot of D3 sports -- continually in the national tournaments for soccer, basketball....

SU couldn't put the subs in till the 7th inning yesterday because they have stats that need to be padded.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 23, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
Ha..ha...not to pick anymore on SU but their schedule the last 2 years has them playing a lot of one legged D3 schools with blind pitchers.  It did not hurt them last year as they got an at large bid and went to the World Series.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 23, 2010, 08:31:42 AM
Usasouthisnumber1: No "digging deep" needed...runners left on base means exactly "runners left on base", it doesn't matter how they got there. I'm not exactly dealing with a Rhodes Scholar here am I?
Secondly, judging by AU's record versus opponents with a winning record, it does appear that they struggle when going against a team with a pulse. Once again, stating the obvious but I'm going to go that "extra" mile just for you!! And thirdly, CNU's one-legged shortstop went 4-for-10 on the weekend, moving his average up to .365 on year. Ironically enough, he also just so happens to be my brother.

Next time you type anything to me, I would chose your words very, very carefully. If you thought I used to "nit pick" and "make fun of" everything you said, you haven't seen anything yet.

To the rest of you, have a great rest of the week! I'm looking forward to seeing my CNU boys this weekend. Everybody travel safely, and I'll talk to you all this weekend...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 23, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 23, 2010, 08:31:42 AM
Usasouthisnumber1: No "digging deep" needed...runners left on base means exactly "runners left on base", it doesn't matter how they got there. I'm not exactly dealing with a Rhodes Scholar here am I?
Secondly, judging by AU's record versus opponents with a winning record, it does appear that they struggle when going against a team with a pulse. Once again, stating the obvious but I'm going to go that "extra" mile just for you!! And thirdly, CNU's one-legged shortstop went 4-for-10 on the weekend, moving his average up to .365 on year. Ironically enough, he also just so happens to be my brother.

Next time you type anything to me, I would chose your words very, very carefully. If you thought I used to "nit pick" and "make fun of" everything you said, you haven't seen anything yet.

To the rest of you, have a great rest of the week! I'm looking forward to seeing my CNU boys this weekend. Everybody travel safely, and I'll talk to you all this weekend...

Well I was by no means trying to rag your brother he is a great player that is easy to see. I was just trying to give you a hard time because of your previous posts on the board. You said yourself you would be eating your words if Averett beat CNU. But, if all you want to do is worry about what I am posting it sounds like you need to use you spare time a little more efficiently. Try to not take things so personal everything was said in good nature.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 23, 2010, 09:25:33 AM
boys boys boys.....  Let's take care of those day jobs.... ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 23, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 23, 2010, 09:25:33 AM
boys boys boys.....  Let's take care of those day jobs.... ;D

Hahaha agreed agreed I am done  ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BaseBallBoy_247 on March 23, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
I want to start a brief discussion. How is it that Everyone is soo high on Shenandoah and it seems to me that havent played anybody all year. look at there overall record in conference play (3-3) and then there 15 game non conference winning streak, might i add they usually win by football scores of 24-3 and 14-0 ect. This is because they never play anybody worth a crap. And of course  because of there weak schedule they will still win 30 games again this year and get another at large bid that they simply do not deserve, i saw them play last year and they could swing the bats, but had no pitching and if you look at there stats from this year its obvious they have none this year either. They play CNU this weekend which im sure they will most likely get a split if there lucky, If CNU wins game 1 with Brinkman vs Van Sickler then its no doubt they will sweep the series because there #2 is garbage. If this is how you get at large bids by playing all Maryland, Pa, and NJ teams all year then i dont see why all the teams in the conference dont do the same thing! makes perfect sense to me
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 23, 2010, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: BaseBallBoy_247 on March 23, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
I want to start a brief discussion. How is it that Everyone is soo high on Shenandoah and it seems to me that havent played anybody all year. look at there overall record in conference play (3-3) and then there 15 game non conference winning streak, might i add they usually win by football scores of 24-3 and 14-0 ect. This is because they never play anybody worth a crap. And of course  because of there weak schedule they will still win 30 games again this year and get another at large bid that they simply do not deserve, i saw them play last year and they could swing the bats, but had no pitching and if you look at there stats from this year its obvious they have none this year either. They play CNU this weekend which im sure they will most likely get a split if there lucky, If CNU wins game 1 with Brinkman vs Van Sickler then its no doubt they will sweep the series because there #2 is garbage. If this is how you get at large bids by playing all Maryland, Pa, and NJ teams all year then i dont see why all the teams in the conference dont do the same thing! makes perfect sense to me

If SU had NO pitching last year, will you please explain to me how in the world did they win the Regional tourney to advance onto the World Series?  If your statement was not asinine, then I don't know what is.

Do you have any idea why other schools in the conference do not play MD, PA and NJ schools?  Because, most likely they would not qualify for "in-region" games based on 200 mile radius of the school.

At large-bids are based on "in-region" records.  Look up the criteria before you post and you'll understand how the "at large bids" are determined.  Reference this link ... http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6387.0
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 23, 2010, 09:09:52 PM
i agree that su parlayed a weak ooc schedule into a regional birth and had a magic run at the end of the year, but please learn how to use there, their and they're correctly...d3 student-athletes are supposed to be smarter than the average bear :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on March 23, 2010, 11:12:40 PM
Quote from: narch on March 23, 2010, 09:09:52 PM
i agree that su parlayed a weak ooc schedule into a regional birth and had a magic run at the end of the year, but please learn how to use there, their and they're correctly...d3 student-athletes are supposed to be smarter than the average bear :)

Hey Narch look over their, there coming with they'er bats and balls!!! just kidding. Everyone have a good night.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 24, 2010, 12:01:09 AM
Tufts (9)  Averett (1)  
        
Washington & Lee (16)  Shenandoah (11)

Tufts (3)  Greensboro (17)   
   
Southern Va. (2)  Ferrum (9)



(1) 4-2  10-12 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  13-06 ... CNU
(2) 5-3  15-07 ... MU
(4) 3-3  16-05 ... SU
(4) 3-3  12-06 ... FC
(4) 4-4  17-11 ... AU
(7) 0-6  08-16 ... GB


The USA-South is 91-63 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 24, 2010, 07:46:31 PM
NCWC holds on for a squeaky win over Lynchburg today in Rocky Mount.   Kaleb Wessell threw a great game and senior RHP John Child comes in for the save.  Great job Bishops...next up Tufts.

Starting to get good starting pitching and solid defense...Bishops may be ready for a run.  Coming to Rocky Mount this weekend is Methodist.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 24, 2010, 08:23:46 PM
Methodist with a 16-8 win over Tufts. Looks like the monarch bats are coming alive. Should be a great match-up this weekend with Wesleyan.

1st place in the conference on the line
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 24, 2010, 08:33:54 PM
inghram had a seven rbi day for the monarchs, but the story in my mind was willingham...he looked really sharp today and is rounding into a really nice 3rd starter - he gave up 2 hits and 0 er while striking out 6 in 5 ip - britt and some young relievers got hit around a bit after the monarchs went up big (13-1) - such hit another bomb...should be a great series this weekend...both games should be worth the price of admission :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on March 24, 2010, 08:40:35 PM
Wild win for Shenandoah over Messiah. 

2 Outs bottom of the ninth, Smith strikes out and reaches first on wild pitch.  A walk, infield error, and single to right wins it for the Hornets.

SU is now 17-5
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 24, 2010, 10:56:55 PM
Oglethorpe (1) Greensboro (3)
Oglethorpe (4) Greensboro (5)

CNU (6) Hampden-Sydney (7)   

Lynchburg (7) N.C. Wesleyan (8)
      
Messiah (2) Shenandoah (3)   
   
Tufts (8) Methodist (16)

Averett (17) Roanoke (5)   

    

(1) 4-2  11-12 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  16-07 ... MU
(2) 5-3  13-07 ... CNU
(4) 3-3  17-05 ... SU
(4) 3-3  12-06 ... FC
(4) 4-4  18-11 ... AU
(7) 0-6  10-16 ... GB



The USA-South is 97-64 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 25, 2010, 09:18:11 AM
    My beloved CNU guys need to realize that while "LOB" stands for "left on base", it can also mean "left out boys", which is what is going to happen if we continue to strand runners. In the last 5 games, we've left 10, 13, 11, 9, and 9, while losing  two of those and cutting it awfully close in others.   The Captains have solid hitting but more timely hits will work a whole lot better. Yesterday at HSC, 13 hits resulted in only 6 runs.   Verdillo struggled somewhat, which will happen when freshman pitchers cut their teeth-a painful but normal part of their learning curve, but Fleischmann was lights out again. Timely bats were the problem, not the arms.   The  USAS Tournament is about 3 weeks away. Everybody in this tightly packed conference hopes to get hot exactly then, and while the the time to shine is the tournament, brightening the lights now won't hurt anything. In region losses just plain hurt.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 25, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Had an open lunch today so was time to get my geek on. At the half way point (conference games only):

Team             Avg       Slg%          OB%           LOB       Error          Starting era         relief era      overall era
Averett         .312      .409           .378            67           20               4.34                   4.15                4.30
CNU             .261      .380           .358            70           14               4.05                   1.53                3.42
Ferrum         .271      .382           .370            50           6                 6.23                   8.06                6.79
Greenboro     .282      .357           .342            50           22               5.73                   7.72                6.50
Methodist     .342      .530           .416            76            9                4.37                   1.99                3.60
NCW            .325      .481          .420             52            14              3.58                   6.06                4.33
Shen            .275      .325          .356             52            10              5.64                   5.40                5.54
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 25, 2010, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 25, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Had an open lunch today so was time to get my geek on. At the half way point (conference games only):

Team             Avg       Slg%          OB%           LOB       Error          Starting era         relief era      overall era
Averett         .312      .409           .378            67           20               4.34                   4.15                4.30
CNU             .261      .380           .358            70           14               4.05                   1.53                3.42
Ferrum         .271      .382           .370            50           6                 6.23                   8.06                6.79
Greenboro     .282      .357           .342            50           22               5.73                   7.72                6.50
Methodist     .342      .530           .416            76            9                4.37                   1.99                3.60
NCW            .325      .481          .420             52            14              3.58                   6.06                4.33
Shen            .275      .325          .356             52            10              5.64                   5.40                5.54

Thanks for the post Boysofsummer these are a bunch of great stats. And it seems to me that runners LOB have been a problem for CNU, Averett, and Methodist. You have to be able to get those timely hits to win the big games!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 25, 2010, 04:01:22 PM
Some further observations:

Teams riding one arm:
Averett 69 ip - starters = 56 ip (Loye = 33 ip) relief = 13 ip with hall =7 ip
SU 50.1 ip - staters = 30.1 (VanSickler = 21.1 ip) releif = 20 ip with Stenanowiz = 8 ip

Teams riding a small group of arms:
CNU 71 ip - Starters 53.1 ip (2 starters) releif = 17.2 ip but Malvagna & Fleischmann = 12.2 ip
Ferrum 53 ip - Starters = 34.2 Relief = 18.1 relief is by really group of 4
MU 70 ip starters = 47.1 ip relief = 22.2 with kelly, brit ande white = 19.1 ip
NCW 54 ip starters = 37.2 relief = 16.1 with Child = 10 ip and Wall with 4 ip

Teams looking for hep in the pen
Greensboro 54 ip staters= 33 ip relief = 21 relief by student body (10)

If Averett can reduce the errors they will be dangerous. Loye may need a walker to get to the mound during the tourney - and you know he will still go at least 8 quality innings!
CNU pitching is getting the job done so if the hitting comes around watch out
SU better find another starter or two
Ferrum is just solid all around right now. nothing special as a individual stat but team stats really good
Methodist is a solid well coached ball club and they can hit
NCW they are starting to get better pitching and we know they can hit
Greensboro don't really know but they have some good arms.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 25, 2010, 07:51:37 PM
Ferrum (14) Bridgewater (3)

Tufts (11) NC Wesleyan (4)

St. Josephs L.I. (13) Shenandoah (35)


13-14-1 ... St. Josephs
35-33-1 ... Shenandoah

Only two errors in a game with a score like that is unbelievable.


(1) 4-2  11-13 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  16-07 ... MU
(2) 5-3  13-07 ... CNU
(4) 3-3  18-05 ... SU
(4) 3-3  13-06 ... FC
(4) 4-4  18-11 ... AU
(7) 0-6  10-16 ... GB



The USA-South is 99-64 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 25, 2010, 08:12:32 PM
  Good grief, Shenandoah wins over..whoever, 35-13. Nice  to pull the big guns in the 8th when they were barely up, 27-13. Nice touch there.    Maybe  they worried the bullpen couldn't hold  the lead.   So some  of those 30 or so jayvee players couldn't have gotten into this one??   If I was paying $36,000 a year for a jayvee baseball player to go to SU, I'd sure ponder over this a little bit.

  Just for kicks, I computed a couple interesting numbers: SU is hitting, before today's organized BP, .352. They are hitting .275 in conference games, and .379 in nonconference games. 104 points higher...

  Yes, SU can surely hit, and yes, they have some very well-skilled players, but some of this is just silly.  I can't imagine it's so hard to schedule nonconference teams that have a pulse.   Salisbury, Mary Washington, York, Washington and Jefferson, Rowan-there really are some northern schools not all that terribly far away...if you want to play someone with a pulse.   3 hours isn't a horrible trip on a weekday, and other schools do it all the time.

    On this  year's schedule, SU has two nonconference away games against respectable competition:  Randolph Macon and Bridgewater. Perhaps a third as EMU, undoubtedly scheduled as an excuse to got to Wood Grille in Harrisonburg, is actually playing pretty good baseball this year.   27-13 before the before pulling the big guns against a weak northern cold weather school that has played 12 games?  That's awful.


   55 players x $36,880 (from SU website)= $2,028,400.00 from the baseball players!   For 2 million dollars, surely those boys deserve to travel to play some decent nonconference opposition.   SU has some talented players, and they deserve a better shake on their nonconference schedule.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 25, 2010, 08:26:04 PM
Best winner pitchers line yet.


Shenandoah Hornets   ip  h  r  er  bb  so  wp  bk  hbp  ibb  ab  bf  fo  go 
                             5.0 10 11 11 5   4    2    0    1     0   23  29  4  5

believe that equals an ERA of 19.80
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 25, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
Boysofsummer 21,
great insight...NCWC drops a bad pitched game today vs Tufts...a team we beat up last year pretty good.  Inconsistent starting pitching besides Jr Knowles, Jr Webb, So Wessell...3 starters the entire season is not going to get it done.

Too many issues on the bullpen, players not knowing their roles and a lack of innings for pitchers to get in a groove.  Already riding the lone consistent arm in the bullpen in closer sr Child.  This kid has pitched in 14 of 24 games...Ouch! I hope he can stay healthy the rest of the way...great asset to the team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 25, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 25, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
Boysofsummer 21,
great insight...NCWC drops a bad pitched game today vs Tufts...a team we beat up last year pretty good.  Inconsistent starting pitching besides Jr Knowles, Jr Webb, So Wessell...3 starters the entire season is not going to get it done.

Too many issues on the bullpen, players not knowing their roles and a lack of innings for pitchers to get in a groove.  Already riding the lone consistent arm in the bullpen in closer sr Child.  This kid has pitched in 14 of 24 games...Ouch! I hope he can stay healthy the rest of the way...great asset to the team.

Do you think that will have Wessell start pitching conference games?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 26, 2010, 12:25:37 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 25, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
Boysofsummer 21,
great insight...NCWC drops a bad pitched game today vs Tufts...a team we beat up last year pretty good.  Inconsistent starting pitching besides Jr Knowles, Jr Webb, So Wessell...3 starters the entire season is not going to get it done.

Too many issues on the bullpen, players not knowing their roles and a lack of innings for pitchers to get in a groove.  Already riding the lone consistent arm in the bullpen in closer sr Child.  This kid has pitched in 14 of 24 games...Ouch! I hope he can stay healthy the rest of the way...great asset to the team.

Is it players not knowing their role or not stepping up to take that role?  Seems like plenty of people are getting a chance and taking advantage of the time they are getting. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 26, 2010, 01:16:00 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 25, 2010, 08:12:32 PM
 Good grief, Shenandoah wins over..whoever, 35-13. Nice  to pull the big guns in the 8th when they were barely up, 27-13. Nice touch there.    Maybe  they worried the bullpen couldn't hold  the lead.   So some  of those 30 or so jayvee players couldn't have gotten into this one??   If I was paying $36,000 a year for a jayvee baseball player to go to SU, I'd sure ponder over this a little bit.

 Just for kicks, I computed a couple interesting numbers: SU is hitting, before today's organized BP, .352. They are hitting .275 in conference games, and .379 in nonconference games. 104 points higher...

 Yes, SU can surely hit, and yes, they have some very well-skilled players, but some of this is just silly.  I can't imagine it's so hard to schedule nonference teams that have a pulse.   Salisbury, Mary Washington, York, Washington and Jefferson, Rowan-there really are some northern schools not all that terribly far away...if you want to play someone with a pulse.   3 hours isn't a horrible trip on a weekday, and other schools do it all the time.

   On this  year's schedule, SU has two nonconference away games against respectable competition:  Randolph Macon and Bridgewater. Perhaps a third as EMU, undoubtedly scheduled as an excuse to got to Wood Grille in Harrisonburg, is actually playing pretty good baseball this year.   27-13 before the before pulling the big guns against a weak northern cold weather school that has played12 games?  That's awful.


  55 players x $36,880 (from SU website)= $2,028,400.00 from the baseball players!   For 2 million dollars, surely those boys deserve to travel to play some decent nonconference opposition.   SU has some talented players, and they deserve a better shake on their nonconference schedule.  


After reviewing the boxscore, it was 19 to 13 going into the bottom of the 6th, so actually that game was somewhat close until SU matched St. Joseph's 7-spot in the top of the 6th to double up their run total to start the top of the 7th.



400 027 000 - 13 14  1 ... St. Joseph's
940 427 18X - 35 33  1 ... Shenandoah




With a score of 19 to 13, I am not sure I would of unloaded the benches, especially with metal bats being used and if your team does not have a dominate pitcher in control of the game.  So, when can anyone say hey, it's over folks, lets make mass changes.

Remember, it's not over then it's over, even when you have recorded the 27th out in a game after striking out but the catcher misses the 3rd strike.  Is that not what happened in SU's game vs. Messiah this week?

Anything is possible in the game of baseball!

I would love to see college baseball go to wooden bats then we would not have these softball scores as it would give an advantage back to the pitcher.  MLB could help out with the wooden bats for college baseball, just look at these outrages contracts the players are getting today, what was the latest, $184 million?

Again, get rid of the metal bats, speed up the game, eliminate the softball run totals, then we'll find out who the true hitters are, will we not? Overall, college baseball would be such a better game.  

So go WOOD to help the quality of the game and to SAVE the pitcher's arms!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 26, 2010, 06:50:22 AM
boysofsummer21,
I do not think Wessell will start conference games.  NC Wesleyan has been using Knowles and Webb and I think that is a good combination.  Wessell has pitched well this year though.  Jr Andrew Webb has pitched really well since coming into a starting role.  Problem has been finding a nbr 4 or nbr 5 even.  Just very inconsistent at those spots but hopefully things will get straighten out.

Catfishncwc,
how can they be taking advantage of the time when you have 8 of 13 pitchers with ERA's over 8.00?  Most of the key bullpen guys need regular work if we are going to make any noise in Conference tournament.  Besides Child and Costa, there is no experience in the bullpen.  Fresh Martin has been a nice surprise so far.

There  is still plenty of season left.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 26, 2010, 08:55:00 AM
LTHSDAD they have 9 kids with double digit innings already.  I look at that and it tells me someone needs to stepup and get some people out.  If anyone could do that right now they would be in a much better position.  Walking less people would be a good start. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 26, 2010, 09:22:04 AM
You do have a point there...way too many walks, which is number one reason pitchers get in trouble in my opinion.  I haven't checked lately but I think we are at the top or close to it in most walks allowed in the USA SOUTH.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 26, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
I think that the bigger problem is that the lowest ERA is 3.00. They do have 9 kids that have thrown double digits but in conference play they use 3 starters and 4 seperate relievers. The main reliever is Child with more than double the IP than any other reliever. When I looked at the conference numbers the pitching didn't look way out of whack but it may be a case of grooming arms, and when you do that there is some pain involved.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 26, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
USA South Fan: I couldn't agree more with the wooden bat statement. One of the best sounds in baseball is walking outside Camden Yards while the teams are taking pre-game batting practice and hearing the crack of the wooden bat echo throughout the stadium. The "ping" of a metal bat just doesn't provide the same excitement...

And yes, technically it isn't over until it's over...especially in the sport of baseball and even more so with metal bats being involved. But you can't convince me that sometime during the bottom of the 6th, while they were busy going ahead 26-13, they couldn't have gotten some hard-working reserves a couple much needed AB's. It looks like in the 8th the reserves put up an 8 spot, so apparently they hit the pitching (if you want to call it that) just as well. To say what they did is anything beyond padding the starters stats is ignorant. I haven't said much all year when it comes to SU's "schedule" (and I use that term very lightly), because I suppose subconsciously I'm giving them a pass due to last year's success. And I'm certainly not going to go on a rant about it now, days before they play my beloved Captains. But give me a break...

Everybody going to the games this weekend, please travel safely. And anybody traveling on I-81 PLEASE watch your speed...law enforcement has been out in full force all week...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 26, 2010, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 26, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
And yes, technically it isn't over until it's over...especially in the sport of baseball and even more so with metal bats being involved. But you can't convince me that sometime during the bottom of the 6th, while they were busy going ahead 26-13, they couldn't have gotten some hard-working reserves a couple much needed AB's. It looks like in the 8th the reserves put up an 8 spot, so apparently they hit the pitching (if you want to call it that) just as well. To say what they did is anything beyond padding the starters stats is ignorant. I haven't said much all year when it comes to SU's "schedule" (and I use that term very lightly), because I suppose subconsciously I'm giving them a pass due to last year's success. And I'm certainly not going to go on a rant about it now, days before they play my beloved Captains. But give me a break...

I can see you point but who are we to say whatever team should do in making substitutions and scheduling games?  Remember everything is based on "in-region" record and that is a 200 mile radius of each schools plus your conference games.  Plus is it not cheaper to host a game vs. traveling?

The NCAA system has set the guidelines for D3 Baseball to follow, if you don't like their system, then please contact the NCAA and tell them to change it.



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 26, 2010, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 26, 2010, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 26, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
And yes, technically it isn't over until it's over...especially in the sport of baseball and even more so with metal bats being involved. But you can't convince me that sometime during the bottom of the 6th, while they were busy going ahead 26-13, they couldn't have gotten some hard-working reserves a couple much needed AB's. It looks like in the 8th the reserves put up an 8 spot, so apparently they hit the pitching (if you want to call it that) just as well. To say what they did is anything beyond padding the starters stats is ignorant. I haven't said much all year when it comes to SU's "schedule" (and I use that term very lightly), because I suppose subconsciously I'm giving them a pass due to last year's success. And I'm certainly not going to go on a rant about it now, days before they play my beloved Captains. But give me a break...

I can see you point but who are we to say whatever team should do in making substitutions and scheduling games?  Remember everything is based on "in-region" record and that is a 250 mile radius of each schools plus your conference games.  Plus is it not cheaper to host a game vs. traveling?

The NCAA system has set the guidelines for D3 Baseball to follow, if you don't like their system, then please contact the NCAA and tell them to change it.
Just to be clear, the rule is 200 miles while using this site.
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 26, 2010, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: OshDude on March 26, 2010, 12:42:48 PM

Just to be clear, the rule is 200 miles while using this site.

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles)


Thanks for the catch, I fixed my previous posts.

For the record, some folks can quite worrying about the 35 to 13 game that Shenandoah had with St. Joseph's Long Island because it's NOT an "in-region" game.  342 miles difference between the two schools.

Thanks for the link to the NCAA mileage calculator "OshDude"
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 26, 2010, 02:28:53 PM
     USA- no "worries" actually about that, regional record wasn't the issue, and don't get me wrong, Shenandoah has some very very good talent. A couple players that I know are some of the nicest kids you'd ever want to meet.    They showed well last year, deserved all the accolades they received, and are loaded this year too.   And it's nice the field is improved, and heck, maybe the bathrooms will even be open this weekend.   

     But just as I fault Notre Dame yearly for their watered down football schedule (they always play Army, Navy, Air Force-they'd play the Coast Guard if they had a team), and then claiming greatness (or at least their fans do) with a weak schedule, it's hard to compare teams when the schedules are vastly different.    Having their own TV network grates my nerves too.   

     On the other hand, the USAS schools all play the same conference schedule, and with all the schools playing head to head, it all works itself out. Perhaps I just ignore the organized batting practice games, but with only 12 conference games, the sampling size is pretty small, and multiple ties are the norm.  In one sense, having it all come down to who gets hot for 3-4 days doesn't seem right, yet they all know that's the deal going into the season.   The USAS tournament is definitely an event that is lots of fun to watch.   

   
   

    USAS baseball is such a great spectator sport, a larger conference schedule would be nice.
   
         
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 26, 2010, 05:20:28 PM
hokieone,
definitely agree with you.  Every year USAS has about 2 teams in the top 25 with maybe 2 more teams receiving votes.  Of the 7 teams, at least of recently, 4-5 of them are extremely competitive regionally.  Averett has been down in the past but having a very solid season so far. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 27, 2010, 12:41:22 AM
Exactly the point Hokieone...regional record wasn't the issue, nor is home vs. away games. The "principle" behind what they did is the issue, but whatever...it's over and done with.

Go get em' Captains...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 27, 2010, 05:48:17 PM
big, fat game one win for the monarchs today...looks like a fun game with the monarchs winning 3-2...a win on sunday would be HUGE
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on March 27, 2010, 09:57:33 PM
Death by Twitter! SU and CNU in the 13th! No live stats just Twitter updates every 30 minutes or so! I did not get to go to the game, and yes I believe my son pitched tonight but no box scores nothing... dying here! HokieOne save me!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 27, 2010, 10:05:52 PM
HokieOne was at the game with me...probably won't be home for a while! The 2nd game got too stinking cold for me, as I left in the 7th inning, feeling pretty confident CNU could hold down the SU bats. Looks like I left WAY too soon...

The Shenandoah PA guy does realize he's doing a baseball game and not a WWE showdown, doesn't he?? The only thing more annoying than SU's drunk fans (who, by the way, were the least-funny drunk fans I've ever heard...seriously...nothing even remotely clever...they need to take some notes from the guys on the hill at Ferrum) was the PA guy!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on March 27, 2010, 10:37:15 PM
CNUBall who pitched for CNU?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 28, 2010, 12:48:07 AM
Game 1 was Brinkman starting and Ian Lenda is relief, and game 2 was Chitsaz starting followed by Fleiscmann, then I left. It sounded like it was heck of a finish...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2010, 01:45:31 AM
Southern Va. (5)  Averett (6)
Southern Va. (3)  Averett (0)
 
Methodist (3)  N.C. Wesleyan (2)
 
Greensboro (2)  Ferrum (11)

CNU (3) Shenandoah (8)
CNU (7) Shenandoah (8)  14 innings



(1) 6-3  17-07 ... MU
(2) 5-3  20-05 ... SU
(3) 4-3  14-06 ... FC
(3) 4-3  11-14 ... NCW
(5) 4-4  19-12 ... AU
(5) 5-5  13-09 ... CNU
(7) 0-7  10-17 ... GB



The USA-South is 104-70 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 28, 2010, 08:21:08 AM
Great finish  indeed. 14 innings, both teams had multiple chances to win it, Shenandoah finally capitalized in the bottom of the 14th. The second game took on the feel of watching a classic right about the 10th inning. It was just a tremendous game. Rumors of SU's bullpen's death are greatly exaggerated. They did  their job well, and danced around the trouble when they had to.

Well-deserved credit goes to Shenandoah, pure and simple they got the job done. CNU continues to be haunted by LOB's-9 in game one, 14 in game 2, but if you want to see the pressure SU kept on CNU's pitching and defense, they left 26 on base in game 2. That's got to be a record.

This will sound odd as he won the first game, but Van Sickler's velocity is noticeably below where he was last summer.  I asked a couple SU folks and they said what we saw was how he's thrown all year. He mixed speeds well, pitched well, and got the W, but   the velocity is different.

  All the credit goes to SU, they came through when they had to. The bathrooms still weren't open, the water still wasn't turned on, and the $5 admission fee is ridiculous, but to be fair, the concession food was good and the prices were the best around. Water was $1 a bottle, fair but the lowest around. (JMU charges $3!!). So while you get hosed at the gate, you get some back on the food prices. 

   CNU's only viable path now is the tournament.  It's a shame to have only one option, but it's still there.
   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: hokieone on March 28, 2010, 08:21:08 AM
Rumors of SU's bullpen's death are greatly exaggerated. They did  their job well, and danced around the trouble when they had to.

After reviewing their pitching stats, they have utilized the services of 20 pitchers, not sure if I've ever seen a team that is 20-5 having done that?   They did lose their #2 starter to an injury before the start of the season and I thought another probable starter in the rotation.

Conference tourney will a fun filled event!  Cannot wait to catch it as it's just less than 20 days away.  That itself is ridiculous!  Com'on USA-South Commissioner, Mrs. Rita Wiggs, lets make a change and move the USA-South tourney to the last weekend of April already vs. the middle of the month!

Please buy a program to get in the ballpark when a conference should be held.  I'm tired of hearing the excuses, lets move the darn Conference Tourney to the last weekend of the month so the USA-South teams do not have to schedule games "after" the conference tourney which is just darn right asinine!  IMHO

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 27, 2010, 10:05:52 PM

The Shenandoah PA guy does realize he's doing a baseball game and not a WWE showdown, doesn't he?? The only thing more annoying than SU's drunk fans (who, by the way, were the least-funny drunk fans I've ever heard...seriously...nothing even remotely clever...they need to take some notes from the guys on the hill at Ferrum) was the PA guy!


And they cannot figure out why the ODAC does not want them as a member?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 28, 2010, 12:44:23 PM
Swept by Shenandoah. It's like a knife in my heart.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2010, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 09, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AM
Shenandoah is no secret - they will be the team to beat this year.  That said, there are several teams bunched up right behind them ready to take their place. 

If you don't bring your A-game then you will not win in the USA-South.  From what I saw last year during the USA-South tourney and with what everyone has returning.

1-Methodist
2-SU
3-NCWC
4-CNU
5-Ferrum
6-Greensboro
7-Averett



OK, my prediction on January 9th for the #6 and #7 spots will not happen as Greensboro has that locked up but my picks for 1 thru 5 still have a legit shot of being that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 28, 2010, 08:12:03 PM
Great pitching by both NCWC and Methodist all weekend.  The difference both days was timely hitting which Methodist had Saturday and NCWC had on Sunday.  Jr Andrew Webb is stepping out to be a stellar nbr 2 guy!  Good job Bishops, bring on Ferrum next!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2010, 11:23:00 PM
Methodist (1) NC Wesleyan (4)


(1) 5-3  20-05 ... SU
(1) 5-3  12-14 ... NCW
(3) 6-4  17-08 ... MU
(4) 4-3  14-06 ... FC
(5) 4-4  19-12 ... AU
(5) 5-5  13-09 ... CNU
(7) 0-7  10-17 ... GB


The USA-South is 105-71 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on March 29, 2010, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 28, 2010, 11:23:00 PM
Methodist (1) NC Wesleyan (4)


(1) 5-3  20-05 ... SU
(1) 5-3  12-14 ... NCW
(3) 6-4  17-08 ... MU
(4) 4-3  14-06 ... FC
(5) 4-4  19-12 ... AU
(5) 5-5  13-09 ... CNU
(7) 0-7  10-17 ... GB


The USA-South is 105-71 overall.
I would have never guessed the conference would look like this right now!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 29, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Technically, I think NCWC should be first since they swept Shenandoah.  Isn't that the stuff that will come into play to determine tiebreakers?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 29, 2010, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 29, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Technically, I think NCWC should be first since they swept Shenandoah.  Isn't that the stuff that will come into play to determine tiebreakers?

The seeding is based on winning % and if a "tie",  I agree that head to head has to come into play but cannot remember the protocols in place for the USA-South.  Anyone have access to the tie-breaker info?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 29, 2010, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on March 29, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Technically, I think NCWC should be first since they swept Shenandoah.  Isn't that the stuff that will come into play to determine tiebreakers?



I was going to say the same thing but I thought it would have seemed a bit biased. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2010, 10:03:53 PM
tie breakers are as follows:

winning %
head to head
record vs. teams from the top of the standings
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 29, 2010, 11:45:48 PM
Greensboro (9) Ferrum (10)

(1) 5-3  12-14 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  20-05 ... SU
(2) 5-3  15-06 ... FC
(4) 6-4  17-08 ... MU
(5) 5-5  13-09 ... CNU
(6) 4-4  19-12 ... AU
(7) 0-7  10-17 ... GB

Conference Tie breakers are as follows:

- winning %
- head to head
- record vs. teams from the top of the standings


* SU is 0-2 vs. NCW, 1-1 vs. MU, 2-0 vs. CNU, 2-0 vs. GB while Ferrum has 2-game series with NCW, 0-2 vs MU, 1-1 vs. CNU, 2-0 vs. AU and 2-0 vs. GB.

* CNU is 2-0 vs. NCW, 0-2 vs. SU and 1-1 vs. FC while Averett is 0-2 vs. FC with 2-game series vs. NCW and SU

* NCW is 2-0 vs. SU, 1-1 vs. MU, 0-2 vs. CNU, 2-0 vs. GB


The USA-South is 106-72 overall.


Somebody can verify, not sure how Ferrum and Shenandoah can be determined who has sole possession of 2nd place?  I'm sure CNU has the edge over Averett.  This weekend should clear up the tie between SU and Ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 30, 2010, 06:05:27 AM
Thanks USASouthFan. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUbaseballfan on March 30, 2010, 11:26:00 AM
Why are these rankings different?
   http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_baseball_2010standings.shtml
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 30, 2010, 11:59:26 AM
It would make sense that NCWC would be technically considered in 1st place, but with those tiebreakers who the heck knows. I assume when you say "winning percentage" you mean "overall winning percentage", which would obviously then mean Shenandoah would be in 1st place. With the cupcakes they consistently fill their schedule with, it would be a joke for them to get the #1 seed in an "overall winning percentage" tiebreaker over a team that swept them. But they did just sweep my Captains, so I really have no room to talk...

CNU has got a lot of work to do before the conference tournament if they wish to continue play into the postseason. They aren't going to face a more below-average pitching staff in this conference than that. In game 1, Van Sickler had a low-80's fastball (maybe 84-85 tops) with a changeup and a get-me-over curveball, yet CNU made no adjustments. In game 2 CNU got a little bit better offensively, but still couldn't get the big hit against a junkball lefty and righthanded submariner. The Captains need a bit more patience/discipline at the plate against that kind of pitching. I love seeing agressive hitters, but against pitching like that you have to be patient to have success. Our youth definitely showed...

Regardless of CNU's continued struggles at the plate, SU got the big hits when they needed them and certainly deserved the sweep. As much as it pains me to admit it (and that goes for the rest of our alum's as well), SU is the better baseball team right now. They have to bounce back, and hopefully that starts today at Bridgewater, although we NEVER seem to play well there. Maybe it's the constant smell of chicken crap blowing in from the outfield...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 30, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
After reading my post for the 4th or 5th time, I appears I may have sounded a little negative towards SU...that wasn't the intent at all. I was simply trying to say that for the caliber of pitching CNU faced, we should have done a much better job hitting. I didn't what any of you to think I was trying to poop on SU's parade...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on March 30, 2010, 11:59:26 AM
It would make sense that NCWC would be technically considered in 1st place, but with those tiebreakers who the heck knows. I assume when you say "winning percentage" you mean "overall winning percentage"
you assumed wrong :), conference winning % is all that matters in conference standings...a team could be 12-20 overall, but if they are 12-0 in conference, they are conference champions...

there is no way to break ties right now, because the conference schedule is not complete - if i'm not mistaken, the usasac web site lists teams first by conference winning %, then by overall winning % with no regard to tie breakers until such time that ties can be broken (the end of the season)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2010, 01:32:09 PM
despite their inability to sweep ncwc, i still like where the monarchs sit at 6-4 in conference with 2 games vs. gc left...a sweep of the pride is certainly possible...cnu also has just 2 games vs. gc left, but the monarchs have a 1 game lead over the captains

su, ncwc and fc all have a .5 game lead over mu, but they all have a chance to beat each other up

su and ncwc have games with fc and au left...going even 3-1 vs. those teams is very tough, and 3-1 brings a lot of tie-break scenarios into play

fc has the toughest road, with ncwc and su remaining...

i could easily see a scenario where there are three 8-4 teams and two 7-5 teams...

i said it early in the season...9 wins is pretty much a lock to win the regular season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2010, 01:38:47 PM
IF mu, ncwc and su all finish 8-4 in conference with su and ncwc splitting with fc and sweeping au (and mu and cnu both sweep gc) (i admit, that's a big, huge IF),  this is how the tournament seeding would shake out:

#1 - ncwc 8-4 (ncwc is 3-1 vs. mu/su)
#2 - mu 8-4 (mu is 2-2 vs. su/ncwc)
#3 - su 8-4 (su is 1-3 vs. mu/ncwc)
#4 - cnu 7-5 (cnu is 3-3 vs. mu/su/ncwc)
#5 - fc 7-5 (fc would be 2-4 vs. mu/su/ncwc)
#6 - au 4-8
#7 - gc 0-12

i'm not sure it will pan out this way, but this is one possible scenario...of course if au and/or gc bites someone, this all changes (and both are capable of doing so)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 30, 2010, 09:43:46 PM
I did not get a chance to see the NCWC vs DII Barton game live today but watched it on live stat.  Still can't figure out why game was called after 8 innings although score was 16-6.  Would have liked to see better fielding but again we came thru with 5 more errors that lead to 5 unearned runs...which brings grand total of 67 errors in 27 games or .935 fielding percentage. Got to get better!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on March 30, 2010, 10:11:35 PM
Thanks for explaining narch! I thought that people were saying that if, for example, 2 teams are tied with same conference record, that the higher seed would be awarded to the team with higher overall winning percentage. That's what confused me...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 30, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
Barton (16) N.C. Wesleyan (6)     

CNU (8) Bridgewater (12)
   
Emory & Henry (8) Ferrum (22)

Guilford (2) Greensboro (0)


(1) 5-3  12-15 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  20-05 ... SU
(2) 5-3  16-06 ... FC
(4) 6-4  17-08 ... MU
(5) 5-5  13-10 ... CNU
(6) 4-4  19-12 ... AU
(7) 0-8  10-19 ... GB




The USA-South is 107-75 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 31, 2010, 08:21:56 AM
Do we still have the same odd tournament schedule that gives the regular season champ not much of an advantage? If I recall from 2008, the year CNU won it, the "help" in the tournament was ever so slight. As we sure won't be winning the regular season this year, I'm not as keenly interested, but as I recall, they've tried a few different formats, and the current one doesn't really give much advantage to the regular season #1.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 31, 2010, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 30, 2010, 09:43:46 PM
I did not get a chance to see the NCWC vs DII Barton game live today but watched it on live stat.  Still can't figure out why game was called after 8 innings although score was 16-6.  Would have liked to see better fielding but again we came thru with 5 more errors that lead to 5 unearned runs...which brings grand total of 67 errors in 27 games or .935 fielding percentage. Got to get better!

My guess is they implemented a 10 run lead rule to end the game. You are so right about fielding, errors have cost us quite a few games this year, although it they didn't cause the loss against Barton. The Bishops must get better in this part of the game in order to win. Teams are good enough to beat us by themselves, without giving them so many unearned runs and some of the mistakes NCWC have been making all year don't show up as errors. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 31, 2010, 10:46:31 PM
the monarchs shut out vwc 11-0 behind strong pitching...willingham goes 7, giving up 2 hits and striking out 13...britt and markley each went an inning, giving up 0 hits and striking out four between them - 2 hits and 17 k's...not bad

mu is 18-8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 31, 2010, 11:46:35 PM
Frostburg State (6) Shenandoah (9)

Averett (24) Guilford (4)

VA Wesleyan (0) Methodist (11)

(1) 5-3  12-15 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  21-05 ... SU
(2) 5-3  16-06 ... FC
(4) 6-4  18-08 ... MU
(5) 5-5  13-10 ... CNU
(6) 4-4  20-12 ... AU
(7) 0-8  10-19 ... GB



The USA-South is 110-75 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 01, 2010, 06:38:32 AM
Averett has played quite a few games (32) so far.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 01, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
Shenandoah (14) Randolph Macon (7)

Hampden Sydney (7) NC Wesleyan (8)


(1) 5-3  13-15 ... NCW
(2) 5-3  22-05 ... SU
(2) 5-3  16-06 ... FC
(4) 6-4  18-08 ... MU
(5) 5-5  13-10 ... CNU
(6) 4-4  20-12 ... AU
(7) 0-8  10-19 ... GB




The USA-South is 112-75 overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 02, 2010, 10:08:08 AM
CNU plays Gallaudet on Sunday.  The Washington Post reported the good news this morning that Gallaudet won its first conference game in 13 years yesterday.  I believe they beat Stevenson by a score of 5-3.

I know they aren't a USA South team but it's interesting D3 news nonetheless...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 02, 2010, 08:23:02 PM
Shenandoah (9) Averett (6) 12innings

Ferrum (5) NC Weselayn (9)

Methodist (13) Greensboro (4)



(1) 6-3  14-15 ... NCW (has conference tie-breaker advantage by sweeping SU)
(2) 6-3  23-05 ... SU
(3) 7-4  19-08 ... MU
(4) 5-4  16-07 ... FC
(5) 5-5  13-10 ... CNU
(6) 4-5  20-13 ... AU
(7) 0-9  10-20 ... GB


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 02, 2010, 10:31:37 PM
the monarchs finished off gc by a 13-4 score and improve to 19-8, 7-4...here's hoping that au and fc can salvage a split on saturday :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 03, 2010, 10:13:44 PM
Bishops solidify 1st place with sweep over Ferrum this weekend.  With split at Averett next week, bishops should win Regular season and solidify 1st seed.  Still tight but I like our chances.  Andrew Webb battled all day long and found a way to get it done.  Offense put together timely hitting by SS Justin Rahm and 1B Zach Alexander to pull out the sweep.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 03, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
the monarchs finish the sweep of gc and do their part...i will now commence rooting for au and fc :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 04, 2010, 01:43:05 AM
Ferrum (4) NCW (8)

Shenandoah (11) Averett (16)

Steveson (1) CNU (12)
Steveson (2) CNU (9)

Methodist (4) vs. Greensboro (3)


(1) 7-03  15-15 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  20-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  23-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  15-10 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  16-08 ... FC
(6) 5-05  21-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-21 ... GB


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on April 04, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
Hope everyone has a safe and happy easter!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 05, 2010, 10:18:22 AM
Maybe I'll stir up a conversation topic but I think front runners for All Conference players so far are:

1B - Z. Alexander (NCWC)
2B - B. Halpin (MU)
SS - P. Jaglowski (FC)
3B - S. Van Dusseldorp (SU)
C - T. Such (MU)
OF - S. Mark (CNU)
OF - A. Higgins (AU)
OF - T. Lancaster (MU)
UTIL - J. Franklin (FC)
DH - M. Moore (AU)

SP - A. Webb (NCWC)
SP - B. Mays (FC)
P - J. Child (NCWC)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 05, 2010, 10:36:30 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 05, 2010, 10:18:22 AM
Maybe I'll stir up a conversation topic but I think front runners for All Conference players so far are:

1B - Z. Alexander (NCWC)
2B - B. Halpin (MU)
SS - P. Jaglowski (FC)
3B - S. Van Dusseldorp (SU)
C - T. Such (MU)
OF - S. Mark (CNU)
OF - A. Higgins (AU)
OF - T. Lancaster (MU)
UTIL - J. Franklin (FC)
DH - M. Moore (AU)

SP - A. Webb (NCWC)
SP - B. Mays (FC)
P - J. Child (NCWC)

Pretty good list but just at first glance
SP Webb --- Definitely
SP Kelly  MUB
P I will wait till the end of the weekend to see if White MUB and Fleischmann CNU get enough innings to really be considered.
Will have to look at the position players in a little depth before really commenting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 05, 2010, 11:24:56 AM
I see Van Dusseldorp on the list.  But where are Van Sickler, Van Henry and Van Brashears?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RoundTripper on April 05, 2010, 12:00:22 PM
There's A Few Players From GC That You Could Make An All Conference Argument For. Just Cause A Team Is Losing Does'nt Mean They Cant Have All Conference Players. What About Josh Montague And Michael Parker??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 05, 2010, 04:07:32 PM
It's the bottom of the 3rd in the CNU/Gallaudet game. CNU has already sent in subs for 6 of the starters.  That's something that SU hasn't done all year in its blowout games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 05, 2010, 05:04:16 PM
vabaseball,
Henry and Brashears have not hit well enough in Conference games to be considered in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 05, 2010, 05:37:14 PM
I was just making a little joke.  But Van Sickler has, hasn't he?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 05, 2010, 08:35:10 PM
Definetly,
Van Sickler is phenomenal player.  He has hit well, but Franklin from Ferrum and Alexander from NCWC are having just a bit better year.  Still got one more weekend to go...anything can happen!  Good luck!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on April 05, 2010, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 05, 2010, 08:35:10 PM
Definetly,
Van Sickler is phenomenal player.  He has hit well, but Franklin from Ferrum and Alexander from NCWC are having just a bit better year.  Still got one more weekend to go...anything can happen!  Good luck!

Van Sickler is only batting .275 in conference play though, so I'm sure that does not help him out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 06, 2010, 12:44:27 AM
USA-South Conference Games ONLY, Team ERA's and Batting Avg heading into last weekend of conference play:

Team ERA:
3.34 - MU
3.50 - NCW
3.90 - CNU
4.60 - AU
5.50 - SU
6.80 - FC
7.67 - GB

Team Batting Avg:
.327 - MU
.325 - AU
.308 - NCW
.306 - SU
.296 - FC
.266 - FB
.258 - CNU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 06, 2010, 10:15:09 AM
All of the above are interesting stats....

Guess I better check up on Alexander and Franklin.  Sounds like they are both having mighty good seasons.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 06, 2010, 10:24:50 PM
Tuesday:
Bridgewater (11) Ferrum (7)

Gallaudet (2) CNU (18) 7inn

Wednesday:

Methodist (8) Guilford (7)

Shenandoah (17) Catholic (3)

CNU (1) Randolph Macon (12)



(1) 7-03  15-15 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  21-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  24-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  16-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  21-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-21 ... GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
usas_fan: you forgot to add this :)

usasac is 87-47 (.649) in non-conference games...pretty solid - only ncwc and gc have sub .500 ooc records
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on April 07, 2010, 07:00:07 PM
Methodist over Lynchburg, 14-12 today at Lynchburg.  Real pitcher's duel -- MU had 14 runs on 18 hits, while LC had 12 runs on 17 hits...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2010, 08:42:04 PM
inghram had a nice day at the plate..2 for 2 with 2 hr's, 6 rbi, 2 walks, 5 runs and a stolen base

ennis, kelly, jordan and white pitched for the monarchs...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 08, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Averett (6) VA Wesleyan (2)

Methodist (14) Lynchburg (12)

Shenandoah (8) Elizabethtown (1)


(1) 7-03  15-15 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  22-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  25-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  16-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  22-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-21 ... GB


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: usasouthisnumber1 on April 08, 2010, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 08, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Averett (6) VA Wesleyan (2)

Methodist (14) Lynchburg (12)

Shenandoah (8) Elizabethtown (1)


(1) 7-03  15-15 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  22-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  25-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  16-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  22-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-21 ... GB




Who are these teams that SU is playing I have never heard of any of them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 08, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: usasouthisnumber1 on April 08, 2010, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 08, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Averett (6) VA Wesleyan (2)

Methodist (14) Lynchburg (12)

Shenandoah (8) Elizabethtown (1)


(1) 7-03  15-15 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  22-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  25-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  16-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  22-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-21 ... GB




Who are these teams that SU is playing I have never heard of any of them.


Dude, think about where Shenandoah is located when compared to the other USA-South teams. 

There's probably at least 200+ miles difference.

Now do you think they will the same non-conference opponents?

Do yourself a favor, get on "google" and found out about these teams and where they are located.  Do that, then you can answer your own question.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 08, 2010, 11:40:28 AM
Quote from: usasouthisnumber1 on April 08, 2010, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 08, 2010, 12:08:57 AM
Averett (6) VA Wesleyan (2)

Methodist (14) Lynchburg (12)

Shenandoah (8) Elizabethtown (1)


(1) 7-03  15-15 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  22-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  25-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  16-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  22-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-21 ... GB




Who are these teams that SU is playing I have never heard of any of them.
E'Town has been an NCAA team three of the past four years, averaging 26 wins per season  ::).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 08, 2010, 11:15:06 PM
Hampden Sydney (14) Greensboro (0) 7inn

Ferrum (10) Lynchburg (5) 8inn

NCW (8) Randolph Macon (15)

EMU (6) Shenandoah (12)


(1) 7-03  15-16 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  22-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  26-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  17-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  22-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-22 ... GB

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 09, 2010, 10:03:25 PM
VA Wesleyan (5) Ferrum (15) 7inn

NCW (0) Lynchburg (10)


(1) 7-03  15-17 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  22-08 ... MU
(3) 6-04  26-06 ... SU
(4) 5-05  16-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-05  18-09 ... FC
(6) 5-05  22-13 ... AU
(7) 0-10  10-22 ... GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 09, 2010, 10:21:16 PM
NCWC pretty bad efforts last 2 days vs Randolph Macon lost 15-8 and Lynchburg today lost 10-0.  Bad pitching combined with lack timely hitting has me worried about this weekend at Averett.  Need at least a split.  Missing 3 starters out of lineup last 2 games, not sure if coaching is resting them for Averett.  Crossing my fingers in Danville, hope to come out with a good result.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BaseBallBoy_247 on April 10, 2010, 12:29:09 AM
About NCWC: maybe you should look a little deeper on why those 3 starters havent been playing, rumors are they had 5 players fail a drug test last week, out until the tournament
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 10, 2010, 04:48:32 PM
Don't know anything about the above situation, but a failed drug test at CNU would be a minimum one YEAR suspension. A school alcohol violation nets a several game suspension and the second violation is pretty much the end of the line for CNU students.

Anyway, in today's action:

CNU 20, Greensboro 1
SU 8, Ferrum 2
NCWC 5, Averett 1

Apologize is those scores are slightly off.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 10, 2010, 05:01:09 PM
In Danville, great win by NCWC over very tough Averett team.  They played much better than last year when they swept us.  Andrew Webb comes thru for us with a complete game.  Not sure how tie brakers go but NCWC is in good shape to get number one seed.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 10, 2010, 05:01:28 PM
Ferrum (2) Shenandoah (9)

Greensboro (1) CNU (20) 7inn

NCW (5) Averett (1)

Emory (3) Methodist (4)


(1) 8-03  16-17 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  23-08 ... MU
(3) 7-04  27-06 ... SU
(4) 6-05  17-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-06  18-10 ... FC
(6) 5-06  22-14 ... AU
(7) 0-11  10-23 ... GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2010, 11:28:38 PM
nice come back win for mu today...willingham looks like he was tough and kept the monarchs in the game - despite giving up 11 hits, he gave up just 2 er's and kept the monarchs in the game
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 11, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
Greensboro (5) CNU (10)

Ferrum (3) Shenandoah (8)

Emory (8) Methodist (7)

NCW (10) Averett (9)


(1) 9-03  17-17 ... NCW
(2) 8-04  23-09 ... MU
(3) 8-04  28-06 ... SU
(4) 7-05  18-11 ... CNU
(5) 5-07  18-11 ... FC
(6) 5-07  22-15 ... AU
(7) 0-12  10-24 ... GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2010, 08:36:39 PM
emory really brought their bats this weekend...jordan pitched out of jams all afternoon and emory pounded out 15 hits, winning 10-7...great day to watch baseball, just wish i could have seen a monarch w
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 11, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
After following the boards all season I thought I would post some of my thoughts.  Was at the games at SU over the weekend and they are clicking at the right time going into the conference weekend.  Yesterday Greg Van Sickler did his part as a duel threat, as he won his fourth conference game.  He also hit a home run in the second to get the offense started for SU, some costly errors by Ferrum and a homer by Kevin Brashears helped close out the Panthers.

In game 2 of the weekend set Brashears' bat started where he left off from the day before.  His first 3 plate appearance he hit 3 homeruns and had 5 rbis, he ended the day going 4-5 with 5 rbis.  This helped freshmen Vince Claudio settle in to get the win.

In order for the Hornets to go far in the tournament, they are going need Claudio to throw well as their number 2 and get deep enough in the game to hand the ball over to Scallion.

Looking at all over the conference stats it appears that Van Dusseldorp should be considered for Player of the Year with the numbers he put up.  Van Sickler and Brashears should be on the first team with Scott.  It should be interesting to see how it all plays out starting on Thursday. 

Go Hornets!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 12, 2010, 12:29:23 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on March 28, 2010, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 09, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AM
Shenandoah is no secret - they will be the team to beat this year.  That said, there are several teams bunched up right behind them ready to take their place.

If you don't bring your A-game then you will not win in the USA-South.  From what I saw last year during the USA-South tourney and with what everyone has returning.

1-Methodist
2-SU
3-NCWC
4-CNU
5-Ferrum
6-Greensboro
7-Averett



OK, my prediction on January 9th for the #6 and #7 spots will not happen as Greensboro has that locked up but my picks for 1 thru 5 still have a legit shot of being that.



OK ... I missed NCW as they finished 1st and had Greensboro and Averett crossed up BUT I had everyone else in the correct order of finish from top to bottom and even nailed the 4th and 5th spots in CNU and Ferrum.

- MU
- SU
- CNU
- FC
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 12, 2010, 02:10:35 AM
"USA-South Games Only" Top Hitters:

  g    avg    ab     r     h    rbi  2b 3b  hr  bb    
12   0.468   47   09   22   20   7   1   2   9   ALEXANDER, Z NCWCB
12   0.455   44   10   20   11   2   0   3   9   VANDUSSELOR SUB
12   0.438   48   06   21   09   3   0   0   3   CARTER AUB
12   0.415   41   08   17   07   6   1   0   11 LOVETTE, S. MUB
12   0.412   51   11   21   16   5   0   1   5   MOORE, M. AUB
12   0.409   44   15   18   16   4   0   5   8   FRANKLIN FCB
11   0.406   32   08   13   06   4   0   0   5   DELAUTER SUB 
12   0.400   50   11   20   06   3   0   3   1   HALPIN, B. MUB
12   0.375   48   11   18   11   4   0   5   7   SUCH, T. MUB
12   0.375   48   13   18   11   3   3   0   9   MARK CNUB
12   0.373   59   14   22   08   4   0   4   6   BRASHEARS SUB
12   0.373   51   07   19   07   2   1   0   2   JAGLOWSKI FCB 



ALL Games Overall Stats:

avg    gp-gs     ab    r    h    2b    3b    hr    rbi    tb    slg%    bb  hbp so gdp    ob%   sf   sh    Player
0.441   34-34    152   51   67   14   3   10   45   117   0.770   18   03   11   1   0.506   1   4   BRASHEARS, SUB
0.419   29-29    117   37   49   13   3   00   23   068   0.581   11   07   20   3   0.493   1   2   JAGLOWSKI, FCB
0.419   33-33    129   41   54   10   3   11   50   103   0.798   17   06   17   1   0.500   2   2   VANDUSSELOR, SUB
0.408   36-36    152   55   62   08   4   01   21   081   0.533   12   10   13   0   0.483   0   0   HIGGINS, AUB
0.398   32-31    118   36   47   08   0   04   27   067   0.568   22   02   15   5   0.486   4   0   NELSON, SUB
0.396   30-26    091   32   36   08   0   00   23   044   0.484   20   03   18   0   0.504   3   1   DELAUTER, SUB
0.395   29-29    114   38   45   11   2   11   55   093   0.816   15   04   30   1   0.467   4   1   FRANKLIN, FCB
0.395   29-29    114   39   45   12   5   01   24   070   0.614   15   08   08   1   0.493   1   3   BUTTERWORTH, FCB
0.392   34-34    143   40   56   09   0   04   33   077   0.538   21   02   16   3   0.476   0   4   HENRY, SUB
0.390   34-34    136   41   53   18   2   03   41   084   0.618   17   04   09   2   0.451   7   1   VAN SICKLER, SUB
0.386   29-29    101   30   39   08   2   06   32   069   0.683   13   02   20   2   0.466   0   0   MADDEN, CNUB
0.385   32-32    117   33   45   07   3   08   39   082   0.701   28   06   26   1   0.510   4   1   INGHRAM, B., MUB
0.384   32-32    125   26   48   09   0   08   36   081   0.648   20   02   25   7   0.473   1   1   SUCH, T., MUB
0.381   33-33    118   26   45   15   1   02   20   068   0.576   03   01   14   3   0.398   1   1   MONTAGUE, Josh, GCB
0.379   37-37    132   34   50   06   0   00   39   056   0.424   21   08   11   0   0.479   4   15   SIBRIZZI, AUB
0.370   29-29    119   31   44   11   1   05   28   072   0.605   05   00   11   3   0.380   5   2   NEAL, CNUB
0.367   28-24    098   16   36   04   1   01   24   045   0.459   04   04   11   1   0.415   0   0   BEACOM, FCB
0.366   27-27    101   23   37   08   1   03   21   056   0.554   09   12   24   1   0.475   0   2   SAUNDERS, CNUB
0.365   16-15    052   16   19   04   2   04   13   039   0.750   04   09   09   0   0.485   1   1   LENDA, B, CNUB
0.363   32-32    113   20   41   11   1   02   32   060   0.531   27   01   20   2   0.486   1   0   ALEXANDER, Z, NCWCB
0.360   28-24    086   16   31   04   0   00   20   035   0.407   07   00   19   0   0.400   2   1   QUICK, M., MUB
0.358   29-28    109   23   39   05   4   01   25   055   0.505   15   04   14   0   0.446   2   0   MARK, CNUB
0.352   32-32    122   34   43   08   1   03   25   062   0.508   26   04   16   2   0.477   1   6   LOVETTE, S., MUB
0.352   34-34    142   37   50   05   1   00   34   057   0.401   19   03   12   1   0.429   4   2   HOLCOMB, SUB
0.351   13-12    037   08   13   02   0   01   11   018   0.486   04   02   06   1   0.432   1   1   BEASLEY, Logan, GCB

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 12, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 12, 2010, 02:10:35 AM
"USA-South Games Only" Top Hitters:

  g    avg    ab     r     h    rbi  2b 3b  hr  bb    
12   0.468   47   09   22   20   7   1   2   9   ALEXANDER, Z NCWCB
12   0.455   44   10   20   11   2   0   3   9   VANDUSSELOR SUB
12   0.438   48   06   21   09   3   0   0   3   CARTER AUB
12   0.415   41   08   17   07   6   1   0   11 LOVETTE, S. MUB
12   0.412   51   11   21   16   5   0   1   5   MOORE, M. AUB
12   0.409   44   15   18   16   4   0   5   8   FRANKLIN FCB
11   0.406   32   08   13   06   4   0   0   5   DELAUTER SUB 
12   0.400   50   11   20   06   3   0   3   1   HALPIN, B. MUB
12   0.375   48   11   18   11   4   0   5   7   SUCH, T. MUB
12   0.375   48   13   18   11   3   3   0   9   MARK CNUB
12   0.373   59   14   22   08   4   0   4   6   BRASHEARS SUB
12   0.373   51   07   19   07   2   1   0   2   JAGLOWSKI FCB 



ALL Games Overall Stats:

avg    gp-gs     ab    r    h    2b    3b    hr    rbi    tb    slg%    bb  hbp so gdp    ob%   sf   sh    Player
0.441   34-34    152   51   67   14   3   10   45   117   0.770   18   03   11   1   0.506   1   4   BRASHEARS, SUB
0.419   29-29    117   37   49   13   3   00   23   068   0.581   11   07   20   3   0.493   1   2   JAGLOWSKI, FCB
0.419   33-33    129   41   54   10   3   11   50   103   0.798   17   06   17   1   0.500   2   2   VANDUSSELOR, SUB
0.408   36-36    152   55   62   08   4   01   21   081   0.533   12   10   13   0   0.483   0   0   HIGGINS, AUB
0.398   32-31    118   36   47   08   0   04   27   067   0.568   22   02   15   5   0.486   4   0   NELSON, SUB
0.396   30-26    091   32   36   08   0   00   23   044   0.484   20   03   18   0   0.504   3   1   DELAUTER, SUB
0.395   29-29    114   38   45   11   2   11   55   093   0.816   15   04   30   1   0.467   4   1   FRANKLIN, FCB
0.395   29-29    114   39   45   12   5   01   24   070   0.614   15   08   08   1   0.493   1   3   BUTTERWORTH, FCB
0.392   34-34    143   40   56   09   0   04   33   077   0.538   21   02   16   3   0.476   0   4   HENRY, SUB
0.390   34-34    136   41   53   18   2   03   41   084   0.618   17   04   09   2   0.451   7   1   VAN SICKLER, SUB
0.386   29-29    101   30   39   08   2   06   32   069   0.683   13   02   20   2   0.466   0   0   MADDEN, CNUB
0.385   32-32    117   33   45   07   3   08   39   082   0.701   28   06   26   1   0.510   4   1   INGHRAM, B., MUB
0.384   32-32    125   26   48   09   0   08   36   081   0.648   20   02   25   7   0.473   1   1   SUCH, T., MUB
0.381   33-33    118   26   45   15   1   02   20   068   0.576   03   01   14   3   0.398   1   1   MONTAGUE, Josh, GCB
0.379   37-37    132   34   50   06   0   00   39   056   0.424   21   08   11   0   0.479   4   15   SIBRIZZI, AUB
0.370   29-29    119   31   44   11   1   05   28   072   0.605   05   00   11   3   0.380   5   2   NEAL, CNUB
0.367   28-24    098   16   36   04   1   01   24   045   0.459   04   04   11   1   0.415   0   0   BEACOM, FCB
0.366   27-27    101   23   37   08   1   03   21   056   0.554   09   12   24   1   0.475   0   2   SAUNDERS, CNUB
0.365   16-15    052   16   19   04   2   04   13   039   0.750   04   09   09   0   0.485   1   1   LENDA, B, CNUB
0.363   32-32    113   20   41   11   1   02   32   060   0.531   27   01   20   2   0.486   1   0   ALEXANDER, Z, NCWCB
0.360   28-24    086   16   31   04   0   00   20   035   0.407   07   00   19   0   0.400   2   1   QUICK, M., MUB
0.358   29-28    109   23   39   05   4   01   25   055   0.505   15   04   14   0   0.446   2   0   MARK, CNUB
0.352   32-32    122   34   43   08   1   03   25   062   0.508   26   04   16   2   0.477   1   6   LOVETTE, S., MUB
0.352   34-34    142   37   50   05   1   00   34   057   0.401   19   03   12   1   0.429   4   2   HOLCOMB, SUB
0.351   13-12    037   08   13   02   0   01   11   018   0.486   04   02   06   1   0.432   1   1   BEASLEY, Logan, GCB



Based on these stats above, who would be your Player of the Year pick?

My choice would be VANDUSSELDORP kid from Shenandoah.

Are the ALL-CONFERENCE selections based on conference stats only?  Is the overall stats even considered?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 12, 2010, 06:21:23 PM
CNU playing a little tuneup game with William and Mary tomorrow night. It's neat to play a D-1, but a shame it's at a time when CNU top tier pitchers should see very little if any mound time. W & M has a 21-7 edge in the "series", last played in 1994 when W & M won 6-2. Plumeri Park is a great stadium.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 12, 2010, 07:55:26 PM
I'm taking my shot here at guessing the All-Conference Team:

1B - (Jr) Z. Alexander (NCWC)
2B - (Sr) B. Halpin (Methodist)
SS - (Jr) B. Inghram (Methodist)
3B - (Sr) S. Van Dusselor (Shenandoah)
C   - (So) T. Such (Methodist)
DH - (Jr) J. Franklin (Ferrum)
UTL - (Jr) S. Lovette (Methodist)
OF - (Jr) K. Brashers (Shenandoah)
OF - (So) S. Mark (CNU)
OF - (Jr) A. Higgins (Averett)
P - (Jr) A. Webb (NCWC)
P - (Sr) K. Kelly (Methodist)
RP - (So) R. White (Methodist)

POY - (Sr) S. Van Dusselor (Shenandoah)
Pitcher of The Year -  (Jr) A. Webb (NCWC)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 13, 2010, 11:57:28 AM
I was at the SU game yesterday as the Hornets won the sixth in a row yesterday vs. EMU.  The bats seemed to stay steady again for the Hornets. John Holcomb must have eaten the same breakfast that Kevin Brashears did the day before as he ended the day 4-4 with 2 rbis.  Scott Van Dusseldorp continued to add to his ongoing impressive stat line with 3 more rbis.  Coach Anderson had a pitch by committee day as he put 8 guys out on the bump.  Senior Jake Yocum picked up his 4 win of the year.  He needs to be big if the Hornets are going to make a run deep into this coming weekend.
Looks like picks should be out soon for Player of the Year, Pitcher of the Year and All- Conference.  Looking at both in-conference stats and all the games, I believe the Pitcher of the Year should be Andrew Webb from NCWC.  Like I said the other day, Scott Van Dusseldorp should get the Player of the Year honor.  Should be interesting to see when the winners are announced. 
The weather is looking pretty good for the weekend, and I know that the baseball will the same way.  I am looking forward to seeing some good games in Burlington this weekend.

GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 13, 2010, 12:15:45 PM
Who'll be the Coach of the Year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 13, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
Coach of the Year- 3 Choices

NCWC- Long
MU- Austin
SU- Anderson

Long- Conference Champs after losing alot good players from last years team.

Austin- Solid record with a very young team.  Over half of the team is Freshmen.

Anderson- Did what they were expected to do and won alot of games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 13, 2010, 09:08:21 PM
Yes, what a great event -- CNU playing at William and Mary.  Under the lights, shame the weather is not a little better.  Beautiful ball park. And a respectable score as well in the 7th inning: W&M 4, CNU 1.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 14, 2010, 06:19:48 AM
    Not bad, Captains lose to William and Mary, 4-1, 6 CNU pitchers got in a little work before the tournament, Lenda throws out all 3 attempted base stealers, CNU's 3-4 hitters, Neal and Saunders, get two hits each.  CNU pitchers gave up 3 earned runs. Cool and dreary at Plumeri Park, but a nice tuneup all the way around.

    Now the biggie for everyone!  Burlington.  And there is a Krispy Kreme there somewhere!   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on April 14, 2010, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 14, 2010, 06:19:48 AM
    Not bad, Captains lose to William and Mary, 4-1, 6 CNU pitchers got in a little work before the tournament, Lenda throws out all 3 attempted base stealers, CNU's 3-4 hitters, Neal and Saunders, get two hits each.  CNU pitchers gave up 3 earned runs. Cool and dreary at Plumeri Park, but a nice tuneup all the way around.

    Now the biggie for everyone!  Burlington.  And there is a Krispy Kreme there somewhere!   
Well I think the word for the weather last night was COLD. It was nice to see the game, W&M was a good host and it gave both teams a chance to get pitchers work. I hope that both team consider doing this yearly. The hitting was a not to bad but a little spotty so lets go Captains get hot. And the important question is if "the light is on" at Krispy Kreme?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 14, 2010, 10:34:54 AM
I listened to a webcast of the CNU game last night.  The CNU announcer really does a nice job.  Quite a contrast to the well-meaning broadcasters at Bridgewater who sound like they are announcing underwater.

Quite a highlight for players to face a D1 team.

Good luck in the tournament Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 14, 2010, 02:09:20 PM
Season Awards were announced today.  As hoping and expected Scott Van Dusseldorp did get player of the year.  He is much deserving of this award; he has been very consistent this season and has seemed to have the big bat when SU needed it.  I will say that I am surprised that Greg Van Sickler was voted to be the pitcher of the year but needless to say I'm glad the hardware is coming back to Funchester.  Looking at the stats, I thought that Andrew Webb looked better on paper, plus Greg did get knocked around a little more this year then he did last year. I will say that I am confused at how Charlie Long was voted coach of the year.  I mean with a .500 overall record this season I will have to say that is not nearly as impressive as Tom Austin from Methodist.  They were picked second at the beginning of the year and stayed steady all year, with a 15-5 record in out of conference.  Kevin Brashears just probably made it on the first team ballot today; he needed every last bit of last weekend where he had to eat his Wheaties to even put himself in the conversation from a conference only stats perspective to make all-conference.  Hopefully he stays hot and gets SU off on the right foot from the batters box around 1:15 tomorrow (that's about how long the top half of the first should take Van Sickler).
I have been reading about CNU playing W&M last night.  I think this is something that all USA South Teams should do at least once a season.  This can really help gauge each team, plus like in D3 Basketball its gives you some nice bragging rights with a win over a D-1 program. 
Looking at the bracket for the weekend Thursdays games could very well be one sided with the higher seeds pulling away.  Anyone predicting any surprise upsets?  I know if my Hornets don't show up they could have that happen, just like it did less than 2 weeks ago, hopefully they have that in the back of their minds when they take the field tomorrow.
GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:55 PM
Just saw they released the all-conference teams for the year...here are a couple of my thoughts quickly, as I honestly never put a whole lot of stock in these selections. Most years they are seemingly a popularity contest, and I suspect it was the same this year.

Congrats to Van Dusseldorp as it seems like the kid had a heck of a year. Despite the fact that I think the majority of Shenandoah's stats should have an "*" next to them because of that joke of a non-conference schedule they play (not to mention to the running-up-the-score we've already discussed), I saw him play in person twice and he can swing it. Tip of the hat to you...

Congrats to Greensboro's Michael Parker for getting the "Well-your-team-sucked-but-we-gotta-stick-you-guys-somewhere-so-here's-a-3rd-team-selection" award. The players on the recieving end of this joke are obviously CNU's Parker Neal (I'm biased I'll admit) and Shenandoah's Jesse Henry. I don't know about Jesse's past, but Neal has gotten all conference every year since his Freshman year, and this happens to be his best year statistically (and not to mention he batted .042 higher than said player). While I don't have the time to look over countless stats (and setting aside all SU schedule jokes), the fact that Jesse was .008 shy of batting .400 SHOULD say something about the caliber of player he is. He only batted .269 in conference but hell, Inghram only batted .289 in conference and got first team.

And finally, congrats to the 6th place team in the conference, the Averett Cougars, for by some act of God getting 8 players on the all conference teams...so many in fact that, despite having a losing conference record, they managed to get the 2nd most players elected to the all conference teams.

That's all of my complaining for now...best of luck to all teams this weekend...

but seriously, GO CAPTAINS:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: VTHokie22 on April 14, 2010, 04:24:22 PM
I agree that some of the all conference selections can be confusing. I am biased as well towards Roanoke, but last year Thacker at shortstop hit .421 and only managed to get Honorable mention and the first team all odac shortstop hit .307 (Those are season stats I didnt check out conference only stats)
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Post by: LTBB1971 on April 14, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
Ok, let's be honest about these awards...it's a joke.  Don't know if the conference coaches are the ones that vote or not but Van Sickler as Pitcher of the Year?  Andrew Webb was...excuse me...is a much better pitcher.  He held opponents to .213 BA and his strikeout ratio was better.  Remember that these awards are based on how they did "in conference".

Now, how does 1B Zach Alexander from NCWC not make 1st team??? Amazing!  The kid was tops in batting average,  RBI, doubles, hits, 2nd in total bases, slugging %, 3rd in walks and on base %...a complete popularity contest.  What was he supposed to do?, hit .450....oh hold on, he did that!

Congrats to Scott Van Dusseldorp from SU on POY, well deserved.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 14, 2010, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 14, 2010, 02:09:20 PM

I have been reading about CNU playing W&M last night.  I think this is something that all USA South Teams should do at least once a season.  This can really help gauge each team, plus like in D3 Basketball its gives you some nice bragging rights with a win over a D-1 program. 


I am pretty sure a lot of the D3 teams would love to play D1 teams.  I know NCWC used to play good number of games against D1 teams till around 1994.  This makes me remember when Coach Fox told the team he was taking the UNC-Chapel Hill coaching position and he was taking questions from the team he said and I am paraphrasing........ and no we will not be playing you guys next year.  So we can get a game against our soon to be former coach then it would be tough to get a D1 game under normal circumstances.  I mean NCWC has 3 D1 coaches who were former coaches (Unc chapel Hill, NC State and East Carolina)  and we can't get a game from any of them.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 14, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
Per usual, I'd rather be the #2 seed in this tournament (Methodist), than the #1 seed (NCWC).  Being the #4 or #5 doesn't look too hot either....

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 14, 2010, 10:28:59 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 14, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
Ok, let's be honest about these awards...it's a joke.  Don't know if the conference coaches are the ones that vote or not but Van Sickler as Pitcher of the Year?  Andrew Webb was...excuse me...is a much better pitcher.  He held opponents to .213 BA and his strikeout ratio was better.  Remember that these awards are based on how they did "in conference".

Now, how does 1B Zach Alexander from NCWC not make 1st team??? Amazing!  The kid was tops in batting average,  RBI, doubles, hits, 2nd in total bases, slugging %, 3rd in walks and on base %...a complete popularity contest.  What was he supposed to do?, hit .450....oh hold on, he did that!

Congrats to Scott Van Dusseldorp from SU on POY, well deserved.

Yes, the conference coaches vote on the players.

The only thing I can think of is how the player(s) carried themselves on the baseball field may have played in how the coaches voted.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2010, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 14, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
Per usual, I'd rather be the #2 seed in this tournament (Methodist), than the #1 seed (NCWC)
expand on this thought...to me, playing a team that has already played a game (and used what you would think would be its #1 or #2 pitcher since it is a 4/5 game) is a pretty nice advantage, even if the #7 seed this year went winless in conference...gc lost 3 one-run games in conference and lost 2 other conference games by 3 runs or less...they aren't as bad as most 0-12 teams
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2010, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 14, 2010, 07:45:14 PMNow, how does 1B Zach Alexander from NCWC not make 1st team??? Amazing!  The kid was tops in batting average,  RBI, doubles, hits, 2nd in total bases, slugging %, 3rd in walks and on base %...a complete popularity contest.  What was he supposed to do?, hit .450....oh hold on, he did that!

Congrats to Scott Van Dusseldorp from SU on POY, well deserved.
to make this even more confusing, alexander actually IMPROVED in conference games, hitting .468 with 2 hr's and 20 rbi in 12 conference games...he should have been not only 1st team, but perhaps poty, in my opinion

Quote from: cnuball25 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:55 PMHe only batted .269 in conference but hell, Inghram only batted .289 in conference and got first team.
it was a hard .289, though...4 hr's and 10 rbi in conference games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2010, 11:03:05 PM
2 things about monarch players that surprised me a bit...

i thought kelly had a real chance to be a 1st teamer...his in conference record was similar to van sickler's (4-2 vs. 4-1), but most of his ratios were better than van sickler's...it's splitting hairs, because they both had a great season

i was a bit surprised that quick was a first teamer, until i looked at conference only stats....372 and 13 rbi in 12 games...not bad
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2010, 06:32:02 AM
Quote from: narch on April 14, 2010, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 14, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
Per usual, I'd rather be the #2 seed in this tournament (Methodist), than the #1 seed (NCWC)
expand on this thought...to me, playing a team that has already played a game (and used what you would think would be its #1 or #2 pitcher since it is a 4/5 game) is a pretty nice advantage, even if the #7 seed this year went winless in conference...gc lost 3 one-run games in conference and lost 2 other conference games by 3 runs or less...they aren't as bad as most 0-12 teams

Two years ago #1CNU had to face Shenandoah in the night cap.  Shenandoah lost their first game and came back fired up for the 2nd game.  It was a tough one and CNU barely got by.

I think NCWC may face the same situation.  Either Ferrum or CNU with a #2 pitcher capable of winning conference games. But the real pressure will be on the #4 or #5 seed who has to play NCWC later the same day.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 15, 2010, 06:42:41 AM
The team that has the real advantage here I think was Methodist playing a mediocre at best #7 seed Greensboro team.  I can't remember last year but I think NCWC played the looser of #6 and #7, don't quote me on it.

I believe CNU will have a slight edge playing Ferrum.  I believe Brinkman will go vs. Mays.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2010, 12:53:55 PM
Slight edge, indeed, as it turned out. Am I missing something? The starter has thrown seven good innings and you're up 9-1.  He puts the first two guys on in the top of the 8th.  Isn't that an optimal time to turn to your hopefully warmed up bullpen?

Anyway, CNU holds on to get by Ferrum 10-8 in game 1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on April 15, 2010, 06:31:58 PM
Narch: No offense to your boy...I've never even seen Inghram play. But from talking to some of the guys on various teams, I get the feeling that most people think he had a much better year last year and might not of been as deserving of that 1st team selection...but a unanimous all-conference player either way. When you said he hit a "hard" .289 it instantly reminded me of a couple years ago when Matt Wieters of the Orioles hit over/around .400 in spring training. One scout was quoted as saying it was a "soft" .400, which was hilarious to me. Point being, they hit what they hit. But as stated before, sorry...I'm still very bitter about Neal (CNU) not getting all conference simply because they felt obligated to stick someone from Greensboro on there...

USA South Fan: If the coaches decided to take into consideration how players "carry" themselves on the field, that would be a first. When I played there were a couple of players from Greensboro who acted like complete a$$es on the field, but still managed to grab all-conference honors.

But enough about all-conference...glad to hear my Captains pulled out the victory today. I had the same initial reaction as you vabaseball, wondering why Brinkman was still in the game up 9-1. People there tell me his pitch count was only in the 80's, meaning he still probably had some gas in the tank. But on the other hand, if you pull him out then he might recover a tad quicker than normal, meaning he might be more effective if they need him for another start later in the weekend. But hindsight is 20/20...it's time to start rolling boys. Go CNU!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 15, 2010, 09:54:15 PM
 As I mentioned yesterday, SU needed to be awake for the game today in order to move on.  All I can say after leaving the yard today is that we just moved on.  Other than 3 or 4 guys, the rest of the team looked liked they took some Advil PM last night and never woke up.  Jake Yocum (6.1 ip, 6h, 2er) did his part once again going deep enough to get the ball to Scallion (2.2 ip, 2 h, 0 er) so that he could close the door.  I will have to say that Jake has finally gotten his confidence back on the mound as he seems to be commanding his pitches. 
On the offensive side the only 2 players worth talking about are Mike Smith and Keaton Neeb.  They combined for 6 of the Hornets 8 hits.  The BIG 3 were a no show today as they were a combined 1-11.  Player of the Year Scott Van Dusseldorp and Greg Van Sickler were a combined 0-6 today in spots where they could really help bust the game wide open.  Kevin Brashears (1-5) got a hit in his first at bat, but looked like he was swinging with wood the rest of the game.  My hope is that tomorrow during pregame batting practice Anderson puts his foot up their backsides, because with out their offensive output we can and will struggle the rest of the weekend.  Tomorrows match up should be Jordan vs. Van Sickler; the last time those two met up the Hornets won 4-2.  I do expect tomorrow to be much of the same.
Remember when it gets to this time of the season the goal is to survive and move on.  We did that today and we shall see what tomorrow brings.  As for me some warm Krispy Kremes and a shake from Steak n' Shake will cap off night one of the conference tournament.

GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2010, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on April 15, 2010, 06:31:58 PM
Narch: No offense to your boy...I've never even seen Inghram play. But from talking to some of the guys on various teams, I get the feeling that most people think he had a much better year last year and might not of been as deserving of that 1st team selection...but a unanimous all-conference player either way. When you said he hit a "hard" .289 it instantly reminded me of a couple years ago when Matt Wieters of the Orioles hit over/around .400 in spring training. One scout was quoted as saying it was a "soft" .400, which was hilarious to me. Point being, they hit what they hit.

hmm...in a 12 game conference schedule i'll take .289 with 11 runs, 4 hr's and 10 rbi's vs. say, .373 with 7 runs, 0 hr's and 7 rbi's - there's almost a 100 point difference in batting average, but baseball is all about run production...to me, that's the definition of a hard .289
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2010, 10:35:16 PM
i was a bit surprised to see the mu/gc pitching matchup...i thought gc would pitch manfro - although he has struggled this season, i think he gives gc the best chance to win - i thought for sure that mu would pitch willingham or ennis today, rather than kelly...i was 0-2 on that prediction

the monarch offense sure came to play today....such and inghram both hit a bomb and had 3 rbis
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2010, 11:58:17 PM
facing elimination, the panthers take out ncwc...

just looked at some of the photos from each game...the cnu uni's might be the ugliest baseball uniforms ever
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Post by: cnuball25 on April 16, 2010, 08:06:24 AM
Mmmmmmm...steak and shake...wish we a couple of those around here huh Funchester (I'm from the Valley FYI).

Which uni's narch?? Please don't tell me you're talking about the white ones...I LOVE those things...wish we had them when I played. I haven't seen any of the photos yet, but I remember I never liked us wear the blue/grey combo...
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Post by: hokieone on April 16, 2010, 08:11:29 AM
Narch, stick to on field play comments-those unis look nice and get lots of compliments. "Ugliest ever?" Not even close. The White Sox polyester softball-style unis will carry that distinction forever. 
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Post by: cnuball25 on April 16, 2010, 08:18:19 AM
Just got word that they were, in fact, the white uni's...my personal favorite of all CNU's uniforms. I think it looks comparable to the nike baseball jersey's, just a little bit better material and better looking. I just wish the pants had a prominent blue stripe down the side...

Do any of you guys remember the hats that Greensboro wore 3-4 years ago?? Every part of the hat was a different color...either white, green, or yellow...looked literally like a clown hat. Makes me throw up in my mouth a little thinking about it...

But hokieone is right, back to on the field play..

GO CAPTAINS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2010, 08:20:23 AM
ok...the old cws unis were worse, but those cnu uni's with the blue shoulder yolk thingy look like they belong in japanese baseball...call me a traditionalist, but i think they're pretty ugly, especially when contrasted with the classic duds that ferrum was wearing...http://www.averettcougars.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=27

to show i'm not biased, i'm not a huge fan of the monarchs yellow jerseys and i HATE that they are still wearing a vest that says "mc" on it...mu hasn't been "mc" for 3+ years
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 16, 2010, 08:21:58 AM
Burlington does need a Krispy Kreme closer to the games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 16, 2010, 10:11:56 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 16, 2010, 08:11:29 AM
Narch, stick to on field play comments-those unis look nice and get lots of compliments. "Ugliest ever?" Not even close. The White Sox polyester softball-style unis will carry that distinction forever. 

I was going to say Pittsburg Pirates, 1970s era.  Same idea.  Polyester, stretch waistbands. Awful! CNU's white jerseys are a bit art deco.  Very nice.

On to the game reports...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 16, 2010, 05:39:14 PM
CNU and Shenandoah both win and will meet at noon tomorrow. Shenandoah is hitting the daylights out of the ball and CNU has scored double digit runs in both of their games. Should be a good one! Averett playing Methodist right now in an elimination game. NCWC and Greensboro eliminated.  Ferrum has one loss.   
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Post by: cnufan on April 16, 2010, 07:21:50 PM
when was the last time a 1 seed went 2 and out? I thinks its been a good while.  I know the first seed has the "advantage" of playing a team who has played already but, the real advantage went to the teams who got second and third.  Methodist had to play winless greensboro, and Shenandoah played AU.  I would personally take my chances with my number one against a far lower seeds number 1 instead of playing a better team throwing their number 2.  I know it worked out well for my team, but I still don't see the fairness in this tournament set up.  But what's done is done so GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2010, 10:50:41 PM
i didn't expect the monarchs to bow out this early...i really thought with the pitching depth they had in the regular season made this a tournament prepared team...guess i was wrong to this point

i think they've got to get to 29-30 wins to have a realistic shot at the regionals...i'm rooting for the hornets going forward in the tourney...the last thing the monarchs need is a team that wouldn't otherwise be in the regionals winning the conference tourney
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 17, 2010, 12:30:06 AM
What a day from Burlington.  I never thought that it would have ended the way that it did.  SU started out the day at the yard as I hoped; Coach Anderson must have gotten into the guys early in the morning.  We hit the ball extremely well all around today going 22-55 as a team, with 4 long balls (Brashears, Van Sickler, Nelson, Smith).  Mike Smith and Adam Delauter are staying hot which is helping turn over the bottom of the line up.  Brashears decided to use an aluminum bat today as he finally found some open space and I am glad to see that Corey Nelson is finally coming around (3-5); we are going to need him to stay hot like this the rest of the weekend if we want to make it to Sunday.

Right now CNU is looking like they always do this time of year, and that is tough.  Let's face it, other than one bad inning this tournament they have been in control of their opponents.  This is going to be a difficult game for the Hornets if Vince Claudio pitches like a freshman, but at this point in the season you are not a freshman any more.  The last time these two faced off it took 23 innings and about 7.5 hours for the Hornets to complete the sweep.  I believe tomorrows score will be more like a football score than a baseball score.  Any predications for the second game tomorrow?  Both Averett and Ferrum had their "foot in the bear trap" and have gotten out, getting this close to title game.  Anything can happen now.  Well as baseball players have superstitions, so do fans.  So for me its some warm Krispy Kremes and a shake from Steak n' Shake.

GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2010, 07:11:36 AM
Sounds like Krispy  Kreme is getting brisk business in Burlington....

Very surprising that NCWC and Methodist have bowed out so early. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 17, 2010, 08:15:17 PM
Shenandoah has a chance on Sunday to win the USA South Conference Tournament for the first time. Everyone else in the conference has won it at least once.  Unlike last season, I think the Hornets can get it done.
Whoever survives tonight's last game between Ferrum and CNU has to have burned a lot of innings with pitching. Who's going to be left to pitch against a lineup with no weak links, like SU's.
Folks have  been trashing their "weak" out-of-conference schedule. I want to hear the talk now. The Hornets buried Methodist Friday, 17-3. When's the last time SU beat Methodist by such a lopsided margin? Greg Van Sickler again proved he is the best pitcher in the conference and Kevin "Coach K" Anderson decided to let him finish things out. The offense scored eight runs with two outs and Kevin Brashears, Mike Smith, Cory Nelson, and Van Sickler all went yard.
And today? My God, the Hornets sliced up a team everyone felt was going to make a mark in this tournament. Are you kidding me, 19-5!!!!!! Look up and down that box score: Brashears (3-for-4, 4 RBIs, HR), Jesse Henry (Yes, he hit in the clutch; 2-for-4, 4 RBIs), Van Sickler (3-for-5, RBI), Nelson (2-for-3, 2 HR, 3 RBIs), and Adam Delauter (3-for-4, 2 RBIs). Who do you pitch around, Ferrum or CNU?
The Hornets are hitting .397 as a team with 7 HRs. Brashears (.467, 7-for-15, 7 runs, 2 HRs, 7 RBIs, and no strikeouts) should be the favorite right now for tournament MVP. Make a case for Nelson (.417, 5-for-12, 3 HRs, 4 RBIs, one strikeout), too. Smith (team-best .538) has been the unsung hero and Keaton Neeb (.444, 3 RBIs) and Delauter (.500) are hitting well in the last two spots. Henry (six RBIs) has picked it up in each blowout, and just think, USA South Conference Offensive Player of the Year Scott Van Dusseldorp is batting just .214 with one RBI! I can't wait to see him heat up on Sunday (it will come).
There are some that have knocked the Hornets' pitching, and, yes, in some games, they have been hit around. But this team is 32-6 and the staff has gotten better over the last month. Remember, the Hornets have now won 16 of their last 17.
The first two games could not have worked out any better for the Hornets. SU gambled by not pitching Van Sickler against Averett and all Jake Yokum (4-0) did was go out and pitch into the seventh and hold the Cougars to two runs. Yokum had not pitched against Averett prior, so bold and ingenious move by Coach K! Van Sickler pitched well against Methodist and beat the Monarchs for the second time this season, allowing no walks and punching-out 10. Vince Claudio, who won the job as Sunday pitcher in conference games the last few series, gave up four runs with two outs in the first to CNU and was gone after the first two reached in the second. Then Bryce Sears comes in and holds the Captains down, allowing two walks, one run, and five hits over six innings. How valuable was that to the Hornets?!!!!
Anderson has virtually everybody ready to eat innings Sunday, and hopefully the Hornets will only have to play one game. Van Sickler won't go and I doubt Yokum comes back on two-days rest. Closer Kyle Scallion has made one appearance and pitched 2 2/3 innings. Claudio made just 28 pitches. Patrick Moore faced one batter, on Thursday. The Hornets have a wealth of options to look at.
I'll get to my projected starter for Sunday's noon first-pitch in a bit (there's THREE options there). Moore (2.57, 1-0, 14 app) gives SU a lefty out of the pen. Rightys to look at include Scallion (2.61, 4-0, 6 Sv, 18 app, 31 IP, one HR allowed), Bobby Stefanowicz (3.33, 4-0, 10 app, 27 IP), and Smith (6.10, 1-0, 7 app., 12 Ks in 10 IP).
Now for those that will get the ball first.
A: Could it be right-hander Matt Griffin (2.45, 0-1, 2 starts, 11 IP, 2 walks, 11 Ks)? Griffin is getting more duty of late and he did get hit a bit by ODAC 9th-place EMU in a late-season start (no decision). But Griffin has good stuff that is still being developed and his ERA and strikeouts/walks ratio works in his favor.
B: Could it be right-hander Brian Goodard (11.22, 2-2, 8 app., 3 starts, 21 1/3 innings, .398 opponents BA, 5 homers allowed)? Goodard has a small frame (5-foot-7) and got a chance twice to be a Sunday pitcher during conference series. His outing vs. 0-14 (in conference) Greensboro was so-so at best, and he got knocked out by Methodist in the third inning and took the loss in his last conference start on March 14. Don't know if he'll see the mound, unless it's a situational thing for a few batters or if they need innings if the "if" game is played.
C: That leaves, who I think will get the ball, 6-5 junior Brian Fream (No. 42), a lefty with six starts in 17 appearances. Fream has pitched a grand total of one inning in conference games this season. So what's my logic? Fream has been getting more starts of late, and he had a wonderful outing at Catholic on April 6, picking up the win by going eight innings. He gave up 11 hits that day, but held Catholic to two earned runs and struck out eight. On the season Fream is 3-0 with an ERA of 2.38. Why not see if Fream can use his size to eat innings until the rightfull bullpen crew comes in if needed?
Coach K might throw another curve, like he did in the opener. It could just as easily be Scallion or Stefanowicz getting the call, even though neither has a start this season. Last season, in the South Region Championship game, Anderson sent out since-graduated Matt Davis, and Davis did an excellent job to keep SU in it before Gage LeVac closed it out.
Guess we'll see what develops. SU is a combined 5-0 vs. CNU and Ferrum. The Hornets have scored a combined 17 runs in their last two games with two outs in an inning.
Vote for Red (or Blue, or White, whichever uni they decide to wear)!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 17, 2010, 08:43:05 PM
As far as the all USA South Conference teams, I thought a lot of the picks were fair. I know NCW is a little upset that Alexander didn't get on the first team, but he was at IB, were Justin Franklin of Ferrum resides. You just can't ignore Franklins's numbers:
Overall (and rank):
HR: 11 (Tied for first; stats through April 11).
RBI: 55 (first).
Slug: .816 (first).
Total Bases: 93 (third).
BA: .395 (tied for seventh).
Fielding: 3 errors in 240 chances.
Conference:
HR: 5 (tied for first).
RBI: 16 (Tied for second).
BA: .409 (sixth).

SU was well represented, which makes up for the blackballing it got last season (one first-teamer on the first two teams combined)! That said, I'd like to know why the coaches felt Cory Nelson needed to be left off? No first-team. No second-team. No third-team (I don't go with "honorable mention").

Let's see, Nelson batted .398 (fifth) overall, with four homers, 27 RBIs, and had only two errors in 187 chances in the field. Not to contradict my paragraphs above, since Nelson was a first-baseman when he played in the field. But he also DHs plenty of times and had a better season than Beacom (Ferrum) and McGuire (Averett). The league only picked selections at DH on the first two teams. Why not a third-team nod?
Nelson hit .326 (tied for 24th) in conference games with one homer and seven RBIs. In conference games, Beacom batted .233  with no homers and five RBIs. McGuire batted .254 (in only seven starts) with no homers, three RBIs, and one extra-base hit.

Just baffling, that's all.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 17, 2010, 09:00:56 PM
I am not completely shocked we went 2 and out.  I am definitely disappointed.  Errors have hounded the Bishops all year and to pile on 4 players suspended for the tournament gave the bishops barely any offense to go along with poor fielding which I believe resulted in the 2 loses. 

This team is really talented and I expect them to be back full force next year.  We are still missing some sort of on field leadership.  Only guy I see get emotional out there for the most part is 1B Zach Alexander.  I always played with emotion on my sleeves on my catching days and I really think that gets the team going.

Shenandoah looks unstoppable and it looks like they are getting quality innings from their starters now, so they may make some noise should they get in the Regionals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
diamond king - the hornets played a weak ooc schedule (fact...not bashing), and they've really turned it up in the tournament just as they did in the regional last year...i'm hoping they stay hot for one more day and get a "w" to keep the monarchs hopes for a regional alive
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2010, 09:47:52 PM
Addendum to DiamondKing's thesis: Stefanowicz is injured and done for the rest of the season.  Or so I have been told.  He really was solid early in the season for the Hornets.

Also, who ever said CNU would be making noise in this tournament?  Just glad they have won as many games in the tournament as they have.  They had a rather disappointing season from my perspective.  Just hope they win a couple more tomorrow...

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 17, 2010, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 17, 2010, 09:47:52 PM
Addendum to DiamondKing's thesis: Stefanowicz is injured and done for the rest of the season.  Or so I have been told.  He really was solid early in the season for the Hornets.

Also, who ever said CNU would be making noise in this tournament?  Just glad they have won as many games in the tournament as they have.  They had a rather disappointing season from my perspective.  Just hope they win a couple more tomorrow...


Perhaps I missed that one on Stefanowicz ::). Either way, like I said, plenty of options for the Hornets on Sunday!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 17, 2010, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
diamond king - the hornets played a weak ooc schedule (fact...not bashing), and they've really turned it up in the tournament just as they did in the regional last year...i'm hoping they stay hot for one more day and get a "w" to keep the monarchs hopes for a regional alive
Hey, aren't you guys hosting in Metro Fayetteville? The host school is not included, automatically?

On a related note, don't see how NCW, regardless of r.s. title, can get in with a sub .500 and two and out in the conference tourney? Anyone know if the Bishops had key players out from the four one of their fans has mentioned?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2010, 10:30:20 PM
dk - even the host school has to earn their way into the regional
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 18, 2010, 12:09:52 AM
HOST is NOT an automatic from what I understand.


Thursday, April 15, 2010
Game 1 (Day 1) - #4 Christopher Newport - 10   #5 Ferrum - 8
Game 2 (Day 1) - #3 Shenandoah - 5   #6 Averett - 2
Game 3 (Day 1) - #2 Methodist - 14   #7 Greensboro - 2 (8 Inn.)
Game 4 (Day 1) - #1 N.C. Wesleyan - 2   #5 Ferrum - 6

Friday, April 16, 2010
Game 5 (Day 2) - #6 Averett - 8   #7 Greensboro - 5 ... GB eliminated
Game 6 (Day 2) - #3 Shenandoah - 17   #2 Methodist - 4
Game 7 (Day 2) - #1 N.C. Wesleyan - 7   #4 Christopher Newport - 13 ... NCW eliminated
Game 8 (Day 2) - #2 Methodist - 8   #6 Averett - 9 ... MU eliminated

Saturday, April 17, 2010

Game 09 (Day 3) - #3 Shenandoah - 19   #4 Christopher Newport - 5 (7 Inn.)
Game 10 (Day 3) - #6 Averett - 8   #5 Ferrum - 16 ... AU eliminated
Game 11 (Day 3) - #4 Christopher Newport - 14   #5 Ferrum - 2 ... FC eliminated


Sunday, April 18, 2010
Game 12 (Day 4) - #3 Shenandoah  vs. #4 Christopher Newport – 12:00 p.m.

Game 13 (Day 4) - If necessary, same teams as Game 12 – 4:00 p.m.


Watch the Title game LIVE ... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/usa-south-athletic-conference
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 18, 2010, 06:23:16 PM
Congratulations to Shenandoah but I'm glad the Captains made them sweat a little in game two and ended the Hornet Hex in game one today. 

Enjoyed watching the seniors play now and them during the past three seasons -- Parker Neal had a really nice career. Josh Brinkman, Chris Malvagna, Shane Kersey, all big contributors this season, along with  Jason Jenkins, Bryce Morrison and Joey Martin. Glad they have a few more games to play.  Good luck guys.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 18, 2010, 11:46:44 PM
Congrats to the Hornets of Shenandoah as they take 4 out of 5 from CNU this year.

What's going to be interesting to see who has a shot for an at-large bid between Methodist and CNU.

If they don't both win out, then their chances will be slim from my perspective.  They must win out to have a shot or this could be the year that the USAS might only have one representative in the Regionals.

Overall, I thought the USAS was not as strong as years past.

Anyone have any updates on the "in-region" records for CNU and MU?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on April 19, 2010, 08:39:06 AM
Congrats to SU, but I have to give a tip-of-the-hat to my boys in Newport News as well...they battled their rears off this weekend. It is still beyond me (and some of the players) how they didn't hit SU's pitching better than that considering the quality of their arms. But despite never passing the "eye" test, they got it done and should be commended for that. Best of luck to SU in the regionals as I'm not sure what the future holds for the rest of the USAS, but I don't see my Captains getting in without some act of God. This isn't basketball, meaning you don't get rewarded for simply playing tough OOC opponents, and I don't think CNU did enough against those opponents to garner any votes.

They were fairly young this year, and losing a bat like Despins that early in the season DEFINITLEY hurt the offense, but given finding a pitcher or two I expect big things from the Captains next year. Hopefully you guys can finish the season off on a strong note by knocking Salisbury off a time or two...

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but one thing I'm looking forward to watching in the future is the progession of Shenandoah. Every squirrel finds a nut (or two in their case), but can they keep this level of talent in Winchester and sustain this amount of success to become a year-in-year-out threat like NCWC, Methodist, or CNU...or will they eventually fade back to being "Shenandoah"??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on April 19, 2010, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: Diamond King on April 17, 2010, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
diamond king - the hornets played a weak ooc schedule (fact...not bashing), and they've really turned it up in the tournament just as they did in the regional last year...i'm hoping they stay hot for one more day and get a "w" to keep the monarchs hopes for a regional alive
Hey, aren't you guys hosting in Metro Fayetteville? The host school is not included, automatically?

On a related note, don't see how NCW, regardless of r.s. title, can get in with a sub .500 and two and out in the conference tourney? Anyone know if the Bishops had key players out from the four one of their fans has mentioned?

Of the 4 players suspended for NCWC, 3 were starters, SS, 3B, and RF, all batting above .300 with the 4th being a solid contributor and it really hurt the team both offensively and defensively, but no excuse, we lost because you play with who you have.

Congratulations to SU on winning the tournament, represent the conference well in the regionals and hopefully some other USA South teams will get an at-large and do the same.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 19, 2010, 09:17:43 AM
Congrats to SU. They played well and deserved the title. My Captains battled well and certainly appear to be the clear #2 team in USAS at this point, but unless Methodist stumbles in some of their remaining games, and CNU wins out, it will be tough to get an at large.  Too many mid-season ODAC losses hurt.   CNU does have 2 with Salisbury and sweeping would be a very tall order, but a sweet boost to the resume. CNU and MU have similar records (24-11 v. 22-14), but it would seem with the regional being at MU, that can't hurt. It might well be that both get stranded. It would be nice if one week from now, both are either clearly in or out as the waiting would be a bummer. School will be finished-practice or no, send the players home or no?

    Again, well-deserved kudos to Shenandoah.   And great job Captains battling down  to the wire. They never quit.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 19, 2010, 11:50:42 AM
MU- 20-10 In-Region with 6 region games left

4/24 @Stevenson
4/25 @Stevenson
4/30 York
4/30 Piedmont
5/1 York
5/1 Piedmont

5-1 I think will get them in. 6-0 will get them in.


CNU- 18-13 In-Region with 5 region games left

4/20 St. Mary's
4/22 Salisbury
4/23 @Salisbury
4/24 York DH
5 games in 5 days will be tough.

CNU has to win out and need MU to stumble to have a chance


In-Region record is very important.  Those mid-week region games are just as important as weekend conference games.


In the south regional...

Salisbury (Pool C)
Shenandoah (Pool A)
Mary Washington (Pool A)

Still playing for a regional bid...

CNU (Pool C)
MU (Pool C)
ODAC Champions (Pool A)- HSC, Bridgewater, VWC, Lynchburg
Huntingdon (Pool B) good shot
Mississippi College (West Region Team but closer to Fayetteville)
SCAC Champion- Millsaps or Rhodes or both

I don't think Birmingham Southern is eligible for NCAA play this year.  I could be wrong.  They won their division but are not in the SCAC tourney.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2010, 01:30:17 PM
falcon - not sure rhodes (24-14 overall) would be sent to fayetteville to play in a regional, but you've got to include them as a possibility, especially with a head-to-head win vs. mu

i agree with your assesment that 5 wins and the monarchs are solidly in the conversation...personally, i think they're in the conversation with 4 wins (but probably out of the regional :)) - mu has played south region opponenets with a .553 win % and has a .667 record - those six remaining games won't hurt the owp significantly, but 5-1 would make the monarchs win % .694

another small factor to consider is out-of-region games...the monarchs beat farmingdale, which could end up being a conference champion (they're 16-13, 11-1) and possibly regionally ranked, they lost to frostburg which is currently 22-8 (potentially ranked in their region), and they beat tufts which is currently 17-3 (potentially ranked in their region)

if i remember correct, games vs. regionally ranked out of region teams are a secondary factor...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 19, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
Well we have finally gotten the "monkey" off our backs with that win.  The guys played well all weekend are much deserving of what they achieved.  We can finally put to rest our "weak" schedule argument with the automatic bid.  I will say that CNU did a nice job with the win in game 1 yesterday.  They did lead from start to finish.  SU cold never get that big hit or have that big inning.  I thought once Brashears homered in the 7th the wheels would get turning and we would pull it out in game 1.  Brinkman did pitch well for CNU going 7.0 tough innings as he had the SU hitters off balance and over powered.   I just hope that kid has a Lloyds of London policy on his arm as Coach Harvell let him throw somewhere in the neighborhood of 140 pitches on 2 days rest.  I heard walking through the grandstand that he hit 100 in the 5th, to me this is crazy.  I know they needed a win to stay alive but still they are a state school should have at least another pitcher available to carry that load.  Game 2 Van Dusseldorp got a hit, "Finally" is how the SU twitter page said during the game.  Scott did struggle this weekend, but if he gets this out of his system now reagionals can be big for him.  I thought that everyone did their parts for the win this weekend.  Coach Anderson had the guys stay calm with the let down in game one yesterday and they came out hacking early and that played to our benefit. 

I am noticing that we are being referred to as a "blind squirrel that finds a nut every once in a while."  To date SU baseball is 71-17 the last 2 seasons.  Now the argument can be made that we play a weak schedule, this is the agreement that I will get with that comment; then let me give you something else to think about.  We are roughly 212 miles away from the closets conference team.  We play the teams that are in our region and the teams that want to play us.  Hopkins and Salisbury are closer to us than the rest of the conference.  But they don't want to play us, and frankly they shouldn't after last year.  Anderson gets a schedule that helps his players prepare for the tournament and regionals.  He has spent many hours and I know from personal interaction with the man has worked to build a program that will keep doing this for years to come.  I guess what I am getting at with my rambles is this, weak schedule or not.  NO ONE and let me make this clear NO ONE hits like SU does in tournament games or regular season games.  This group finished yesterday what they let slip away last year and I know they are gearing up for the next step in their season which is on Wednesday at Bridgeforth.  They will not over look the next 2 games, because Anderson will not allow them too. 
Congrats to everyone on the All Tournament Team and to my Hornets for finally breaking the seal and getting the conference championship.  See ya from the yard on Wednesday going after #34.

GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
Congratulatulations SU on winning the conference championship! It is most certainly well deserved. My feelings on the naysayers....whe you have SU's record and are ranked nationally...come back and talk!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 19, 2010, 03:39:47 PM
You SU players should leave the posting to us wholly uninformed non-player-type fans. And relax, you won it, you're in, and you have all the bragging rights.   Well done.

Since we're unfortunately in that "what if" scenario, maybe CNU isn't totally cooked yet:

CNU In-Region Record: 18-13 (.581%)
CNU In-Region Opponents Winning Percentage: .583%  (629-448-2)

Remaining Games Opponents Winning Percentage: .596%

IF scenarios...

IF...CNU goes 4-1 in final five...22-14 (.611%)
IF...CNU goes 5-0 in final five...23-13 (.639%)

Last years regional record that got CNU in....21-10 (.677%)

   I think they at least have a pulse right now, but 5 games in 5 days being tough-heck , they just played 6 games in 4 days.  :o Granted, the timing of pitchers' arm recoveries will need to be handled properly.  And running the table with good quality  opponents will be a very tall order, but that's all that's left at this point.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 19, 2010, 03:51:09 PM
Actually Brinkman had as much rest as Yocum.  Brinkman pitched at 9:30 a.m. on Thursday, then again at 12:00 on Sunday. I call that three days rest and it about exactly was.

Yokum pitched early afternoon on Thursday and came back out at 4:00 on Sunday....  Of course, perhaps he threw fewer pitches.

Great job by the Captains.  They really did play hard in this tournament.  Lots of promising pitching returning next year as well....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 19, 2010, 04:06:05 PM
Looking at the CNU remaining games they do have a good shot at making a run with the way that they hit.  The St. Mary's game should be a win, the Salisbury games are very important for both sides with Salisbury losing in their tournament earlier this weekend and it looks like York College is 18-12 right now.  The toughest part is going to be playing all these games after the past 4 days.   Hopefully runs can be made by CNU and Methodist so that we have good representation for the conference. 

Not to be to particular but Yocum threw on Thursday at the noon game and only went into the 7th. 

This should be interesting to see how the next couple of weeks plays out to see who is dancing in the tournament and where.

GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 19, 2010, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: cnuball25 on April 19, 2010, 08:39:06 AM
Congrats to SU, but I have to give a tip-of-the-hat to my boys in Newport News as well...they battled their rears off this weekend. It is still beyond me (and some of the players) how they didn't hit SU's pitching better than that considering the quality of their arms. But despite never passing the "eye" test, they got it done and should be commended for that. Best of luck to SU in the regionals as I'm not sure what the future holds for the rest of the USAS, but I don't see my Captains getting in without some act of God. This isn't basketball, meaning you don't get rewarded for simply playing tough OOC opponents, and I don't think CNU did enough against those opponents to garner any votes.

They were fairly young this year, and losing a bat like Despins that early in the season DEFINITLEY hurt the offense, but given finding a pitcher or two I expect big things from the Captains next year. Hopefully you guys can finish the season off on a strong note by knocking Salisbury off a time or two...

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but one thing I'm looking forward to watching in the future is the progession of Shenandoah. Every squirrel finds a nut (or two in their case), but can they keep this level of talent in Winchester and sustain this amount of success to become a year-in-year-out threat like NCWC, Methodist, or CNU...or will they eventually fade back to being "Shenandoah"??

Just fade back to being "Shenandoah"?? I don't think so,  friend! As long as Anderson is around, I don't think you're going to see this bunch again become mediocre. The coach before Kevin didn't care about anything, and his record spoke it. His players did not respect him, thus his name is not worth mentioning. When SU had Paul O'Neil it had a respectable and top-flight baseball program. Go look it up, if you can. O'Neil got the Hornets to the conference championship game in 2000 and that team won 30 games and should have been allowed to play in the postseason. But they got the snub, and after O'Neil left the next year the program took a hit for awhile.
When Kevin Anderson left a comfortable high school coaching job at Warren County High School in Front Royal, Va., in July 2003, he took on another challenge in his long and successful career as a man who teaches the game of baseball as well as just about anyone in the state. This includes leadership qualities that his players use for everyday life off the field,  and once they leave college and enter the job field, too. Anyone that has ever had the chance to play for Coach K is blessed.
Because he came in so late, Kevin had a roster of 14 (this is not a typo) in the fall of 2003. By the next spring for his first season leading the Hornets, they had increased their number by 3. Still, 17 leaves a very small bench with few options. But SU competed and competed well.
Kevin has developed talent every season he has been in charge. Only recently has the program finally gotten some deserved reward for their hard work. Tough breaks set this program back a few years, but teams always knew the Hornets were there. The questions persisted: Can we just get a few more good arms? Can't we get just one more clutch hitter? Can this team come together and prove it has as much talent as everyone else? Well, I think that has been answered.
Over the last two years, SU has gone 71-17 overall. Guess Methodist, NCW, and CNU can't say that, although all are very good programs. That's winning at a .806 clip. Sure, pound these Hornets for playing a few creampuffs. Guess they need to get Galludet next, huh? Since 2005, SU is 166-84 (.650). During the Anderson years, they are 189-109 (.634). I challenge any other program on SU's campus to come remotely close to living up to those standards! SU baseball won the school's first USA South Conference Tournament title in any sport since 2005 (it wasn't those "glamour" boys in football or basketball, either, that last celebrated, either).
Kevin has this team on the right track and it will not derail for years to come, trust me! David Jenkins is one of the best young assistants on the East Coast for a D3 program. He would make an outstanding head coach some day, if given the chance. Taylor DuFrene is gradually learning to handle the pitch staff, too. He interned in Donny Foltz's camp for the Woodstock River Bandits last summer, gaining valuable experience with pitchers from all over the country and from all different levels of college baseball. So what does Jenkins and DuFrene have in common? Both are Anderson Men. Played for the man  and learned from the man well. Kevin brought in Bruce Cameron two years ago and the hitting coach has made the Hornets one of the most feared offensive teams in the country. The stats will prove that, too. It works against Cupcakes and USA South "Powers" alike. Pat Wingfield, the former two-year starter at UVa, has been a good addition to the staff as a bench coach.
Remember, SU is no longer a team others can push around and mark as a W on their schedule. They will recruit well, continue to be with the best teams in their conference, and keep that drive to play on Championship Sunday for years to come.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 04:50:16 PM
I am just as much an SU player as you are a CNU player hokieone!! HAHA....not at all a player just a very big fan!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 04:51:47 PM
DK and Rof F, I totally agree with both of you. SU should and will get the respect it deserves!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 19, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 19, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
Well we have finally gotten the "monkey" off our backs with that win.  The guys played well all weekend are much deserving of what they achieved.  We can finally put to rest our "weak" schedule argument with the automatic bid.  I will say that CNU did a nice job with the win in game 1 yesterday.  They did lead from start to finish.  SU cold never get that big hit or have that big inning.  I thought once Brashears homered in the 7th the wheels would get turning and we would pull it out in game 1.  Brinkman did pitch well for CNU going 7.0 tough innings as he had the SU hitters off balance and over powered.   I just hope that kid has a Lloyds of London policy on his arm as Coach Harvell let him throw somewhere in the neighborhood of 140 pitches on 2 days rest.  I heard walking through the grandstand that he hit 100 in the 5th, to me this is crazy.  I know they needed a win to stay alive but still they are a state school should have at least another pitcher available to carry that load.  Game 2 Van Dusseldorp got a hit, "Finally" is how the SU twitter page said during the game.  Scott did struggle this weekend, but if he gets this out of his system now reagionals can be big for him.  I thought that everyone did their parts for the win this weekend.  Coach Anderson had the guys stay calm with the let down in game one yesterday and they came out hacking early and that played to our benefit.  

I am noticing that we are being referred to as a "blind squirrel that finds a nut every once in a while."  To date SU baseball is 71-17 the last 2 seasons.  Now the argument can be made that we play a weak schedule, this is the agreement that I will get with that comment; then let me give you something else to think about.  We are roughly 212 miles away from the closets conference team.  We play the teams that are in our region and the teams that want to play us.  Hopkins and Salisbury are closer to us than the rest of the conference.  But they don't want to play us, and frankly they shouldn't after last year.  Anderson gets a schedule that helps his players prepare for the tournament and regionals.  He has spent many hours and I know from personal interaction with the man has worked to build a program that will keep doing this for years to come.  I guess what I am getting at with my rambles is this, weak schedule or not.  NO ONE and let me make this clear NO ONE hits like SU does in tournament games or regular season games.  This group finished yesterday what they let slip away last year and I know they are gearing up for the next step in their season which is on Wednesday at Bridgeforth.  They will not over look the next 2 games, because Anderson will not allow them too.  
Congrats to everyone on the All Tournament Team and to my Hornets for finally breaking the seal and getting the conference championship.  See ya from the yard on Wednesday going after #34.

GO HORNETS!!

"Blind Squirrels"? Wasn't that one of the gangs in the flick "Gangs of New York"? Ha, just kidding! (though Leo and Day-Lewis did some fine work on screen, that included the "Dead Rabbits.")
I thought Brinkman pitched his can off. His effort was to be admired, but yet, whatever he threw (Someone told me Coach K was talking to his kids during an in-between inning deal about 'Brinkman's thrown 138 (?) pitches, let's get some runs!' Give Brinkman his due, he is one of the few pitchers this season that, technically, owned SU. Yeah, he tired late and SU got a few runs off him and the guy they brought in next. But we had to stay for another game because also for one of the few times this season, not many Hornets stepped up and hit when needed.  If they had gotten just a few hits here and there by a few guys who have pounded it all year, then we're all back home by 8. I was down right shocked! Thank goodness they got it done and knocked around the same pitcher that held them down for two innings in the first game, like he had nothing in the second game!
Here's a shoutout to the best crowd at the tournament too. Farthest to come, and SU had more numbers and louder fans than anyone else in Burlington. No contest! This group will follow their Hornets anywhere. And just so folks know, I do not have a son on SU's team. I just admire the work Kevin and his staff does.  Go Baseball Hornets!!!!!! 8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnuball25 on April 19, 2010, 05:57:51 PM
Not going to go into a long description here of my thoughts and feelings on Shenandoah, their success over the past 2 seasons, or Anderson...mainly because I feel the attention needs to be focused on their recent championship. But I will say this...

While I appreciate the brief history lesson on Shenandoah and their baseball program, I grew up 20 miles away from Winchester and never heard a peep about them...not in the papers, on the radio, nothing. Shortly after committing in 2003 to a college in South Carolina I recieved a recruiting phone call from Shenandoah on a weekday evening. One of the first things said on the phone to me was "Just please give us a chance to recruit you"...doesn't like sound something a program with a history of success would say to a recruit. But I have no idea about their past, and quickly frankly I don't care...I just know that when I transferred to CNU is was generally felt that we should walk all over them. Which was ironic considering my first year at CNU, we fielded one of the worst teams in recent CNU memory and SU took 2 out of 3 games from us, and the 1 win we got was a gift...

I can't argue the success Anderson has had recently. However, my opinion towards him as a person was developed in the summer of 2004. I played for the Woodstock River Bandits and we were playing the Winchester Royals for the annual July 4th (or it might have been 3rd) game followed by a fireworks display. Our starting pitcher allowed a homerun that MIGHT have traveled 315 feet...and that's being generous. He yelled "booooom" when he hit it and pimped the crap of that rather weak homerun. His next at bat, he was greeted by a 92 mph fastball in the ribs (as he should have) and that set Anderson off. After our starter was pulled he asked for ice for his arm, which he was then told he would have to get that from the trainer in the Royals dugout. He went over to get it and the next thing we know Anderson is yelling and him and he is being pulled from the dugout. Anderson yelled, and I quote, "Get your f****** bag of ice you f******* p***y and get the f*** outta here!!". He yelled that at our pitcher in front of an estimated 2000+ in attendance. Attempting to belittle/bully a 20 year old kid isn't exactly a trait I view as one of admiration in a coach, but maybe our morals differ. If that is an "Anderson Man" I don't want a damn thing to do with it. I understand everybody has a moment of weakness, but that is something that has stuck with me to this very day.

The question I posed is a very intersting one. Having 2 successful seasons, albeit 2 very successful seasons, doesn't necessarily make a program. In 10 years will people from the conference look back and view this a simply a high-period in Shenandoah baseball, or rather as a stepping stone for something much bigger. Only time will tell that...2 great seasons won't. But to say you guys haven't gotten credit is BS. You've gotten credit for your accomplishments the past 2 seasons as you've been the best in our conference, which is certainly something to be commended for. No use in beating a dead horse, but the OOC issue needs to be addressed...that schedule is simply terrible. I see you referenced Galludet in CNU's OOC schedule...you also failed to mention Salisbury (twice), Rowan (twice), Virginia Wesleyan (twice), Bridgewater (twice), William & Mary, and York. Some of these schools were down this year, but these respective universities and colleges are on CNU's schedule every year (with the obvious exception being William & Mary). If SU were to schedule like that I doubt that post-2005 winning percentage you guys brag about would be as such. I understand that Shenandoah is no longer a push-over, but that wasn't the point...can they continue to be as such is what I'm curious about.

One thing we can agree on is Jenkins (who has to know who I am). I ran into him last fall at the softball fields in Winchester and the first thing he did was show me his ring (a couple years ago during Apple-Blossom at Sweet Caroline's I was poking fun at him, showing off my ring) and playfully rubbed it in my face. Getting a ring is the reason we play college baseball and everybody who gets one should be commended for it. I've worn mine nearly every day since getting it, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Jenkins was/always has been a good man and I certainly hope he gets that opportunity coach somewhere soon!

Best of luck to the Hornets in the regional tourny.


Jeez, didn't mean to type that much...sorry fellas...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 19, 2010, 06:34:10 PM
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2010/04/19/strength-of-schedule-ratings.html

Mock Regional Rankings going on in the national topics section.

You can see in-region records, winning %, sos, owp, oowp

USA-South SOS

CNU- 55
NCWC- 61
MU- 101
GC- 115
FC- 122
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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
My feelings on the naysayers....whe you have SU's record and are ranked nationally...come back and talk!!!!
i'm not necessarily one of the naysayers (I think su is a very good team), but i do like calling things as they are when possible...let's break this down...if a team like, say, methodist were to play su's schedule, what do you think the monarch  record might be?

i'm not confident saying that su is a far superior team to methodist...in 3 games this season, su was 2-1 and outscored mu by 3 runs and finished tied in conference standings...we may not agree that the two teams are comparable, but for the purposes of comparison, I'm going to assume that they are similar teams (as head-to-head competition and record vs. similar opponents would indicate)

i compared the su and mu non-conference schedule, and removed the common teams to illustrate the scheduling differences  – the monarchs had 15 games vs. teams that were 287 – 230 (.555)  – the monarchs were 12-3 in those 15 games with just 5 games vs. teams with a losing record and only 1 loss in those 5 games - su had 18 games vs. teams that were 222-276-1 (.446)...su had just 4 games vs. teams with a winning record and lost 2 games to sub .500 teams

it isn't unreasonable to think that if the monarchs (or cnu,  ferrum or ncwc, for that matter) were to play a schedule that swapped out vwc for richard stockton, or lynchburg for f&m or lagrange for emu, their record (and national ranking) might be similar to su's, is it?

and don't give me the "they're scared to play us" thing...lynchburg has never shied away from mu, ncwc, fc or cnu...neither has vwc, york, salisbury or any other good, regional team (and all of these teams have a much longer history of sustained success than su does) - the good teams in the region always seem to play one another...I just simply don't buy the argument that su wants to schedule those strong teams and those teams refuse to play them...I think the su coaching staff uses location as an excuse to build a schedule conducive to wins (and it has worked)...mary washington, lynchburg, york, vwc, salisbury...none of them are that much further (if further at all) than some of the cream-puffs su plays – I'm not saying that su needs to play ALL of them, but how about mixing it up a bit and getting some balance in the schedule...the hornets played 7 of 23 non-conference games vs. teams above .500, while mu played 15 of 20 non-conference games vs. teams above .500 (with 6 remaining against teams currently over .500)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 19, 2010, 11:53:26 PM
Quote from: narch on April 19, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
My feelings on the naysayers....whe you have SU's record and are ranked nationally...come back and talk!!!!
i'm not necessarily one of the naysayers (I think su is a very good team), but i do like calling things as they are when possible...let's break this down...if a team like, say, methodist were to play su's schedule, what do you think the monarch  record might be?

i'm not confident saying that su is a far superior team to methodist...in 3 games this season, su was 2-1 and outscored mu by 3 runs and finished tied in conference standings...we may not agree that the two teams are comparable, but for the purposes of comparison, I'm going to assume that they are similar teams (as head-to-head competition and record vs. similar opponents would indicate)

i compared the su and mu non-conference schedule, and removed the common teams to illustrate the scheduling differences  – the monarchs had 15 games vs. teams that were 287 – 230 (.555)  – the monarchs were 12-3 in those 15 games with just 5 games vs. teams with a losing record and only 1 loss in those 5 games - su had 18 games vs. teams that were 222-276-1 (.446)...su had just 4 games vs. teams with a winning record and lost 2 games to sub .500 teams

it isn't unreasonable to think that if the monarchs (or cnu,  ferrum or ncwc, for that matter) were to play a schedule that swapped out vwc for richard stockton, or lynchburg for f&m or lagrange for emu, their record (and national ranking) might be similar to su's, is it?

and don't give me the "they're scared to play us" thing...lynchburg has never shied away from mu, ncwc, fc or cnu...neither has vwc, york, salisbury or any other good, regional team (and all of these teams have a much longer history of sustained success than su does) - the good teams in the region always seem to play one another...I just simply don't buy the argument that su wants to schedule those strong teams and those teams refuse to play them...I think the su coaching staff uses location as an excuse to build a schedule conducive to wins (and it has worked)...mary washington, lynchburg, york, vwc, salisbury...none of them are that much further (if further at all) than some of the cream-puffs su plays – I'm not saying that su needs to play ALL of them, but how about mixing it up a bit and getting some balance in the schedule...the hornets played 7 of 23 non-conference games vs. teams above .500, while mu played 15 of 20 non-conference games vs. teams above .500 (with 6 remaining against teams currently over .500)


I don't get it, SU was the 4th seed last year and was in the winner's bracket undefeated and lost 2 to NCW but received an at-large bid to advance to the South Regional and won 4 straight to advance to the World Series.

This year, SU #3 seed advances to the winner's bracket undefeated yet again and finally win 1 of 2 games to get automatic bid for Regionals as they are crowned USA-South Tournament Champs.

Did not everyone within the USA-South have an equal opportunity to get into to the USAS Title game regardless of who you played throughout the year ... correct?

I don't care who played who throughout the year, the USA-South Conference tourney winner gets the automatic bid and SU was sitting in the winner's bracket for the last 2 years undefeated and who they played throughout the year had no affect on that.

Starting to sound like a bunch of sour grapes to me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2010, 06:40:18 AM
Narch never questioned SU's spot in the NCAA tourney.  Can't dispute a tournament title. Rather, the entire post discussed comparability or lack of it between Methodist's schedule and Shenandoah's.... 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 20, 2010, 08:19:19 AM
Narch, good analysis.  SU has earned their trip to regionals fair and square, no disputing that, and they're plenty good, no disputing that. But the argument that their schedule isn't weak doesn't hold water. Having said that, they have jumped up in the baseball world and maybe that's a smart route to the top. It surely worked for them. If they played CNU's schedule, or vice-versa, I suspect they'd have more losses and CNU more wins, but it doesn't much matter.  Shenandoah won head to head in the ones that counted most. It also doesn't hurt a thing that they clearly have some very good baseball talent there right now. Their lineup seems like one good stick after another and there are no breathers. Very impressive .


Question, and you SU guys/fans can take a breather here, it doesn't affect you:  How much does SOS factor in?  If CNU and MU end up fighting for the same pool C spot, how much help does CNU get from a stronger SOS if MU has a better regional record?   MU will likely have a better in region record, but perhaps not hugely so-is the CNU SOS enough to carry them up and over? 

   Granted, this is purely academic-MU and CNU have a few games remaining, and for my Captains, 2 with Salisbury and 2 at York are toughies...and with some of our mid-week performances, today's St. Mary's game better not get overlooked at all as they've played some good teams very close.

  Looks like an uphill climb to me, or maybe since we're talking about Captains, a long way to row...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 20, 2010, 09:44:44 AM
Methodist is now playing Stevenson 3 times instead of 2.

7 more in region games for them against teams that are all over .500

hokieone,

SOS is very important.  In 07, MU got an at-large bid because of their sos and one of the reasons CNU got in last year was because of sos.

The problem is both MU and CNU sos will go up because of their remaining schedule.  CNU needs alot of help and they need MU to stumble down the stretch.

D3 baseball needs to go to an RPI top teams get in.  The problem with an RPI is the NCAA would have to pay to send teams all over the country because the regions would be unbalanced.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 20, 2010, 11:26:56 AM
Any chance MU and CNU both can get in?  I realize the Salisbury tournament stumbel hurt the chances of that, but what happens if both MU and CNU win out and have similat S0S's? 

How many pool C's will likely available for the south regional?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 20, 2010, 11:32:39 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 20, 2010, 06:40:18 AM
Narch never questioned SU's spot in the NCAA tourney.  Can't dispute a tournament title. Rather, the entire post discussed comparability or lack of it between Methodist's schedule and Shenandoah's.... 

Of course it's going to be different just based on the distance between the two schools alone.

It's most likely a proven fact that there are more competitive baseball teams further south and unfortunately, Shenandoah is the northern most school in the USAS.

Analysis all you want, but in the end, you must win "in-region" baseball games throughout the year and your team must win in the conference tourney.

Let's hope that MU or CNU gets an at large bid, if not then the USA-South is not living up to their #1 conference in the country ranking from 2009 per massey rankings or whatever it's called.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 20, 2010, 01:29:09 PM
USA-South_Fan,

Nobody can argue that Shenandoah is a great team.  They won the south regional last year and the USA-South tournament this year.

You can argue that if they played a tougher schedule they wouldn't have as many wins.

Look at York College.  They are in the South Region and they are in Pennsylvania.

York has played is going to play 34 games against "True South Region" teams. York went down to GA and played LaGrange, Emory, Rhodes. They are going to play Ferrum at Ferrum and are traveling to Fayetteville to play, Piedmont, and Methodist 2 times each.

Shenandoah has played or is going to play 24 games against "True South Region" teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 20, 2010, 08:40:22 PM
Although NCWC is 12-10 vs South Region teams, I still do not see them getting in if they beat Salisbury this weekend twice, which would put them at 14-10.  Going 2 and out in Conference play really hurt them.  SS Justin Rahm and 3B Brian Allen should be back for this weekend series.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2010, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 20, 2010, 11:32:39 AMOf course it's going to be different just based on the distance between the two schools alone.
c'mon...really

check the driving distances for these regional games against good opponents which the monarchs have played on the road in the last 3 yrs:
va beach, va - 240 miles
bridgewater, va - 334 miles
lynchburg, va - 206 miles
demorest, ga - 335 miles
atlanta, ga - 376 miles
lagrange, ga - 437 miles
montgomery, al - 531 miles
ashland, va - 232 miles
stevenson, md - 375 miles

now check how far these prospective su opponents are from Winchester:
stevenson, md - 95 miles
fredericksburg, va - 81 miles
lynchburg, va - 166 miles
va beach, va - 238 miles
york, pa - 114 miles
salisbury, md - 195 miles
baltimore, md - 95 miles

there are PLENTY of good opponents for the hornets to play within 200 miles, or so...each of the above monarch opponents are 240+ miles away...give the "location" excuse a break 'cause it's a load of hooey...the su coaching staff wants to schedule wins and you said it yourself...
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 20, 2010, 11:32:39 AMIt's most likely a proven fact that there are more competitive baseball teams further south and unfortunately, Shenandoah is the northern most school in the USAS.

edited with mileage information per mapquest
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 21, 2010, 12:18:12 AM
Quote from: narch on April 21, 2010, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 20, 2010, 11:32:39 AMOf course it's going to be different just based on the distance between the two schools alone.
c'mon...really

check the driving distances for these regional games against good opponents which the monarchs have played on the road in the last 3 yrs:
va beach, va
bridgewater, va
lynchburg, va
demorest, ga
atlanta, ga
lagrange, ga
montgomery, al
ashland, va
stevenson, md

now check how far these prospective su opponents are from Winchester:
stevenson, md
fredericksburg, va
lynchburg, va
va beach, va
york, pa
salisbury, md
baltimore, md

there are PLENTY of good opponents for the hornets to play within 200 miles, or so…each of the above monarch opponents are 240+ miles away…give the “location” excuse a break ‘cause it’s a load of hooey…the su coaching staff wants to schedule wins and you said it yourself…
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 20, 2010, 11:32:39 AMIt's most likely a proven fact that there are more competitive baseball teams further south and unfortunately, Shenandoah is the northern most school in the USAS.


So are you telling me that the other USA-South coaches are intentionally not trying to put their team into a position to be selected for an at-large bid if they do not win the USA-South Conference Tourney?

Now that is just down right asinine!


 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2010, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 21, 2010, 12:18:12 AMSo are you telling me that the other USA-South coaches are intentionally not trying to put their team into a position to be selected for an at-large bid if they do not win the USA-South Conference Tourney?
no...i'm telling you that teams like mu, cnu, fc, ncwc, lynchburg, bridgewater, salisbury, piedmont, lagrange, rhodes, emory, huntingdon, york, mary washington, etc. don't shy away from playing each other, even though they realize a win will be difficult...and then they HOPE that the selection committee will reward them for playing games against good teams...more often than not, those teams have been rewarded

Quote from: USA-South_Fan on April 21, 2010, 12:18:12 AMNow that is just down right asinine!
hmm...let me get this straight...tom austin has a career record of 953-395-9 (.706 win %) playing in one of the best conferences in the country and against all-comers in non-conference competition, has NEVER had a losing season, has 28 straight seasons of 25 or more wins (with 29 being a strong possibility), has 13 conference championships, 20 ncaa tournament appearances, six south region titles...and you're questioning his ability to put together a schedule (by calling his scheduling philosophy asinine)? really? and in that same statement you're questioning the coaching staff at ncwc, cnu and most of the rest of the conference?  really?

enjoy the success that su has had over the past few years, but please, spare me the hyperbole  about the su win-loss record (see below) until they step out and play south region teams of consequence (which are all well within reasonable driving distance, as i have proven) on a regular basis...
Quote from: Diamond King on April 19, 2010, 04:29:18 PMOver the last two years, SU has gone 71-17 overall. Guess Methodist, NCW, and CNU can't say that, although all are very good programs. That's winning at a .806 clip.
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 19, 2010, 02:37:38 PMTo date SU baseball is 71-17 the last 2 seasons.  Now the argument can be made that we play a weak schedule, this is the agreement that I will get with that comment; then let me give you something else to think about.  We are roughly 212 miles away from the closets conference team.
Quote from: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 03:03:01 PMMy feelings on the naysayers....whe you have SU's record and are ranked nationally...come back and talk!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 21, 2010, 03:02:25 PM
Taking all the stuff out of the thought process here; I did a historical summary over the last 10 years (2001 - 2010).
I used conference records as they are consistent year to year.
School               W          L      # Seasons 500 or better
Methodist          89        52           9                   
CNU                  88        53          10
Ferrum              81        59            6
NC Wes             75        70            6
Shenandoah       57        84            2
Greensboro        56         81           4
Averett             50         91           4

With Shenandoah's 2 winning seasons coming in the last two years I would say that the practice of scheduling soft opponents comes from the need to have the wins to get considered for Regionals. This is a good practice based on that fact. I am wondering if Shenandoah is starting to build a solid program now because of better recruiting or if this is a benefit of current players on the team and it will end when they leave. Historicial you can not say that Shenandoah is one of the top USA South teams because they do not have the conference record to support it. Now with their current team, who by the way I say congrats you played really well in the tournament and will represent the USAS well, they are a quality group and this can do nothing but help in the future. But the coaches job is to coach/teach and position their team best as possible to get to their goals (regionals) and if you have to schedule games against the local high school that is what you do. So lets not say that Shenandoah is not scheduling soft teams, and there is no real excuse because all the other teams do travel against their opponents.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 21, 2010, 04:19:09 PM
From a outside observer....

                          Win% OWP  OOWP    SOS
Shenandoah 25-6 .806   .527   .527      .527
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Veritas on April 21, 2010, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 19, 2010, 03:51:09 PM
Actually Brinkman had as much rest as Yocum.  Brinkman pitched at 9:30 a.m. on Thursday, then again at 12:00 on Sunday. I call that three days rest and it about exactly was.

Yokum pitched early afternoon on Thursday and came back out at 4:00 on Sunday....  Of course, perhaps he threw fewer pitches

almost a 100 pitches less actually.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 21, 2010, 07:16:05 PM
Possible at large bids:

                     OVERALL                     IN-REGION
CNU                23-14                            19-13
Methodist       24-11                            20-10
NCWC             17-19                            14-10       
Salisbury         24-8                              16-7   
York                20-12                             15-11
Lynchburg      20-14-1                          17-13
VWC               22-13                             18-12
HSC                22-8-1                            20-8

Just really tough to tell.   Methodist, Hampden Sydney and CNU with most in region wins.                     
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 22, 2010, 12:19:17 AM
SU was back in action today at Bridgeforth.  They weather was perfect for baseball in the valley and the SU bats did not disappoint.  SU had 17 hits and 4 homers on the day with 2 coming from freshman Keaton Neeb, and one from Kevin Brashears, his 14 of the season which is now 1 behind the single season record at SU.  This is pretty impressive coming from the leadoff spot.  Kevin is also just one total base, and one hit behind being the single season leader in these categories as well.  The most impressive home run was from Scott Van Dusseldorp, as it was grand slam that busts the game wide open for the Hornets.  Not to mention it got Scott out of his slump over the weekend.  With that home run Scott is now the all time leader in homers for a career at SU (29) passes Geoff Williams.  This is impressive in the fact that its 4 years of hard work to get to this point; it's equally as impressive that Geoff was passed.  I was a student at SU when Geoff and Jeremy Schutt were the Bash Brothers setting all of these records.  Schutt went on to hit .506 that season on his way to First Team All American and Brashears could pass his marks of home runs, hits and total bases in a season if he continues to do what he has currently done this season. 

Tomorrow is Senior Day for SU baseball.  For me this is a day for the seniors to show off what they have accomplished.  And over the last couple of days everyone has shown off the records, or lack there of for SU.  As an alumni I remember when SU had 17, let me repeat that 17 guys on their roster.  When these seniors were looking at colleges, no one had any idea that SU would be what it is today.  These seniors have made SU what it is today.  They bought into the system and followed the game plan and have been successful, strength of schedule or not they have competed everyday and got better, and as a coach sometimes that's all you can ask for.  These teams, both last years and this current team will go down as the bench mark for SU baseball, they will one day be apart of the SU Hall of Fame.  So I say congrats to the Scott for setting the record today and to all of the seniors for making SU baseball what it has become.  For the underclassmen, you now have a reputation to keep up.  I know with Anderson leading the ship you will be just fine.

GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 21, 2010, 04:19:09 PM
From a outside observer....

                         Win% OWP  OOWP    SOS
Shenandoah 25-6 .806   .527   .527      .527
those numbers include conference games...we were talking solely about non-conference schedules...owp for 24 non-conference games is .454
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 09:48:50 AM
Well the committee looks at SOS for In-Region games for Pool C berths not just out of conference games. The USAC Conference Champion gets the AQ Pool A bid so it dont matter what the SOS is in conference or out of conference. Since Shenandoah won the conference by winning conference tournmanent on the field I don't really understand the concern for their out of conference opponents SOS. For this year it don't matter.....They did their job and won it on the field to get to the regional and not via committee.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 22, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 22, 2010, 12:19:17 AM
SU was back in action today at Bridgeforth.  They weather was perfect for baseball in the valley and the SU bats did not disappoint.  SU had 17 hits and 4 homers on the day with 2 coming from freshman Keaton Neeb, and one from Kevin Brashears, his 14 of the season which is now 1 behind the single season record at SU.  This is pretty impressive coming from the leadoff spot.  Kevin is also just one total base, and one hit behind being the single season leader in these categories as well.  The most impressive home run was from Scott Van Dusseldorp, as it was grand slam that busts the game wide open for the Hornets.  Not to mention it got Scott out of his slump over the weekend.  With that home run Scott is now the all time leader in homers for a career at SU (29) passes Geoff Williams.  This is impressive in the fact that its 4 years of hard work to get to this point; it’s equally as impressive that Geoff was passed.  I was a student at SU when Geoff and Jeremy Schutt were the Bash Brothers setting all of these records.  Schutt went on to hit .506 that season on his way to First Team All American and Brashears could pass his marks of home runs, hits and total bases in a season if he continues to do what he has currently done this season. 

Tomorrow is Senior Day for SU baseball.  For me this is a day for the seniors to show off what they have accomplished.  And over the last couple of days everyone has shown off the records, or lack there of for SU.  As an alumni I remember when SU had 17, let me repeat that 17 guys on their roster.  When these seniors were looking at colleges, no one had any idea that SU would be what it is today.  These seniors have made SU what it is today.  They bought into the system and followed the game plan and have been successful, strength of schedule or not they have competed everyday and got better, and as a coach sometimes that’s all you can ask for.  These teams, both last years and this current team will go down as the bench mark for SU baseball, they will one day be apart of the SU Hall of Fame.  So I say congrats to the Scott for setting the record today and to all of the seniors for making SU baseball what it has become.  For the underclassmen, you now have a reputation to keep up.  I know with Anderson leading the ship you will be just fine.

GO HORNETS!!

Does Musa know you're stealing his reports ;D?

I loved watching the "17" play. They layed the foundation ;).

I say we put some of these baseballers in the SU HOF now (if they're not already in there). Rename the Bridge after Coach K, while you're at it ;)!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUbaseballfan on April 22, 2010, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 09:48:50 AM
Well the committee looks at SOS for In-Region games for Pool C berths not just out of conference games. The USAC Conference Champion gets the AQ Pool A bid so it dont matter what the SOS is in conference or out of conference. Since Shenandoah won the conferece by winning conference tournmanent on the field I dont really understand the concern for their out of conference opponents SOS. For this year it dont matter.....They did their job and won it on the field to get to the regional and not via committee.
Thank you CrashDavisD3!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 22, 2010, 01:43:32 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 09:48:50 AM
Well the committee looks at SOS for In-Region games for Pool C berths not just out of conference games. The USAC Conference Champion gets the AQ Pool A bid so it dont matter what the SOS is in conference or out of conference. Since Shenandoah won the conference by winning conference tournmanent on the field I don't really understand the concern for their out of conference opponents SOS. For this year it don't matter.....They did their job and won it on the field to get to the regional and not via committee.

Really, the discussion wasn't about whether Shenandoah had rightfully earned a spot in the tournament.  Obviously, they did.  And last year they clearly were qualifed for the Pool C bid as well.  The discussion was about whether or not Shenandoah is clearly superior to say, Methodist. 

There is a reason Shenandoah leads the nation in wins (I read that in one of their news releases).  They frequently play weak teams, beat up on them tremendously, and leave their starters in for up to six at-bats while breaking school records in runs scored in a game.  There are teams in the USA South who have pulled their starters by the bottom of the SECOND inning in similar blowouts.  Also teams in the USA South scheduling tough opponents more often than weak opponents....

That was the discussion essentially (except for the part I threw in for the heck of it)....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2010, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 22, 2010, 09:48:50 AMI don't really understand the concern for their out of conference opponents SOS.
crash...perhaps reading the portion of the post i've quoted below again will allow you to understand the conversation more completely - i understand the selection process pretty well...i didn't question su's inclusion in the regional last year and i clearly won't question their inclusion this year - however, when su fans want to brag about the overall record over the last 2 seasons (and subsequently compare that record with other conference teams), i think it is appropriate to point out the scheduling nuances and disparities - furthermore, when su fans (or anyone else) uses location as an excuse for scheduling weak opponents, i think it is appropriate to point out that there is plenty of strong competition within close proximity - when you insert yourself in a conversation (which is cool...it is an internet message board, afterall), it is important to have a full understanding of what is being discussed

Quote from: narch on April 21, 2010, 12:30:17 PMenjoy the success that su has had over the past few years, but please, spare me the hyperbole  about the su win-loss record (see below) until they step out and play south region teams of consequence (which are all well within reasonable driving distance, as i have proven) on a regular basis...
Quote from: Diamond King on April 19, 2010, 04:29:18 PMOver the last two years, SU has gone 71-17 overall. Guess Methodist, NCW, and CNU can't say that, although all are very good programs. That's winning at a .806 clip.
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 19, 2010, 02:37:38 PMTo date SU baseball is 71-17 the last 2 seasons.  Now the argument can be made that we play a weak schedule, this is the agreement that I will get with that comment; then let me give you something else to think about.  We are roughly 212 miles away from the closets conference team.
Quote from: SUbaseballfan on April 19, 2010, 03:03:01 PMMy feelings on the naysayers....whe you have SU's record and are ranked nationally...come back and talk!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2010, 01:56:42 PM
crash, et al - if it helps, i'll put this more succinctly:

i think that if mu or cnu (and maybe ferrum and ncwc) played su's schedule over the last two seasons, they would have a win/loss record that looked very similar
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 22, 2010, 05:06:56 PM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2010, 01:56:42 PM
crash, et al - if it helps, i'll put this more succinctly:

i think that if mu or cnu (and maybe ferrum and ncwc) played su's schedule over the last two seasons, they would have a win/loss record that looked very similar
Listen, narch. I think you have a misconception on how SU goes about scheduling.

Some regional powerhouses just don't want to play the Hornets anymore because there is a risk of losing. That might sound ridiculous to you, but I know this ....

Salisbury used to play SU every year. The Gulls haven't done it recently.

Johns Hopkins used to play SU every year. The future doctors have not been on the schedule for a couple years.

Mary Washington used to play SU every year. My understanding is Coach K and the MW coach had a falling out, thus no games against.

And don't think Anderson won't play Salisbury or Johns Hopkins. I think the call was THEIRS not to play the Hornets.

I don't think you'll find any SU team (good or gym-class level) making treks to Alabama or Georgia on a wim just to play a game. What needs to be understood here is SU is like an outpost compared to everyone else in the USA South. Ferrum and Averett are near each other. You guys have NCW as a natural rival and aren't all that far away from Greensboro, either. SU's rival is CNU, which is still a three/four-hour hike. SU had to make trips to NCW and Methodist this season (both before March 15) and also to Averett, all pretty long journeys. And then they had to mozy on down to Burlington to win the conference tournament (Had the most fans and quite a vocal bunch there, too). SU plays most every school in the ODAC (wherever those schools want to play) and a few in the Capital Conference. It gets these mediocre teams from New York, Penn, and NJ because those schools are in COLD CLIMATES and must open down south. Yes, most of those teams are not very good. Don't you think Coach K will drop St. Joe's/Long Island next season after setting a school-record with 35 runs against that bunch last month? Sometimes, you play who you can get.

It sounds like you're  (excuse the phrase borrowed from the youth) "Hatin'" a bit here. Share the wealth and pull for SU a little!

For the record, the baseball Hornets are the only university team I care about ;).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 22, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
Sterling outing by Chitsaz for CNU.  8 innings, 1 run.  CNU defeats Salisbury 14-1.

Two senior pitchers get their first and last career at-bats during the last home game of the season. A nice touch.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 22, 2010, 08:55:06 PM
Lets not proclaim SU to be a national power just yet.  To this date I have played in more College World Series (2) than the entire entire history of the SU program (1).  I think they have had a nice run the last couple of years and they are losing a lot of seniors next year so I think they will these two years will be hard for them to duplicate.  But they have had a real nice run the question is can they sustain it.  Lots of teams in the past decade have had some short term runs in the USA South so I think the odds are against them. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2010, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: Diamond King on April 22, 2010, 05:06:56 PMSome regional powerhouses just don't want to play the Hornets anymore because there is a risk of losing. That might sound ridiculous to you, but I know this ....
sorry, i'm just not buyin' it...i'm sure you've got your "sources" who are feeding you this information, but explain this to me - why would salisbury play 2 against cnu, 2 vs. ncwc and 2 vs. johns hopkins if they were afraid of losing games? hopkins has york and salisbury on their schedule, along with montclair and eastern connecticut as non-conference foes...mary washington has macon, bridgewater and ferrum as non-conference foes

based on the other teams on their schedule, none of these teams seem to be scared to play good teams, so i simply don't think your theory holds any water...all of these opponents are very solid programs that could easily steal a win and thus present a great deal of "risk of losing" (and, sorry, but most have a much longer history of winning baseball than the hornets)

if you prefer to think that i'm "hatin" on your team, feel free...i'm simply stating facts as i see them - you and others want to brag about the record, but don't want to face facts...su has run up that impressive record against a lot of inferior teams...8 of 25 non-conference games against teams with a winning record...a good team like su SHOULD win most of those games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 23, 2010, 01:11:30 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 22, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
Sterling outing by Chitsaz for CNU.  8 innings, 1 run.  CNU defeats Salisbury 14-1.

Two senior pitchers get their first and last career at-bats during the last home game of the season. A nice touch.


If CNU knocks off Salisbury again and if NCW can sweep them in a DH, then I think Salisbury will most likely have a more difficult time of getting an "at-large-bid" thus opening the door up for CNU and Methodist if both CNU and MU can win out!

I look for John Hopkins to sweep Salisbury.

Salisbury controls their own destiny with the following scheduled games left:

- CNU
- 2x NCW
- Frostburg
- 2x Neumann
- Montclair St.
- 2x John Hopkins


Also, looking at the post-conference schedules, looks like teams that have a legit shot of making the NCAA's need to start scheduling a few more games after the tourney vs. so many before the Conference Tourney.

Methodist last game is on May 2nd and Ferrum has their last game on May 7th.  CNU finishes up on April 24th and SU finished their schedule on April 22nd.

Regionals start on May 19th.

The USA-South needs to move their conference tourney to the last weekend in April if not 1st weekend in May vs the middle of April.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Diamond King on April 23, 2010, 06:45:59 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2010, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: Diamond King on April 22, 2010, 05:06:56 PMSome regional powerhouses just don't want to play the Hornets anymore because there is a risk of losing. That might sound ridiculous to you, but I know this ....
sorry, i'm just not buyin' it...i'm sure you've got your "sources" who are feeding you this information, but explain this to me - why would salisbury play 2 against cnu, 2 vs. ncwc and 2 vs. johns hopkins if they were afraid of losing games? hopkins has york and salisbury on their schedule, along with montclair and eastern connecticut as non-conference foes...mary washington has macon, bridgewater and ferrum as non-conference foes

based on the other teams on their schedule, none of these teams seem to be scared to play good teams, so i simply don't think your theory holds any water...all of these opponents are very solid programs that could easily steal a win and thus present a great deal of "risk of losing" (and, sorry, but most have a much longer history of winning baseball than the hornets)

if you prefer to think that i'm "hatin" on your team, feel free...i'm simply stating facts as i see them - you and others want to brag about the record, but don't want to face facts...su has run up that impressive record against a lot of inferior teams…8 of 25 non-conference games against teams with a winning record…a good team like su SHOULD win most of those games
OK, I guess it's going to be one of those "agree to disagree" deals.

But narch, I'm telling you, Salisbury and Hopkins are the ones avoiding playing SU. There's some facts for you.

If SU had not erased their all-time series records from their web site a few years back, then the fine print might knock you over when you see the Hornets played those two every stinking year!

Enjoy the "hatin."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 23, 2010, 08:37:11 AM
Quote from: Diamond King on April 23, 2010, 06:45:59 AMBut narch, I'm telling you, Salisbury and Hopkins are the ones avoiding playing SU. There's some facts for you.
facts can be independently verified...what you are purporting is merely conjecture
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 23, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
USA-South Overall records and winning% as of April 23rd 10pm:

34-08 .810% ... SU
24-11 .686% ... MU
22-13 .629% ... FC
24-15 .615% ... CNU
25-17 .595% ... AU
17-19 .472% ... NCW
10-27 .270% ... GB
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2010, 07:20:35 PM
the monarchs win game 1 of the dh vs. stevenson, 7-2...kelly pushes his record to 8-2 on the season - the are up 5-0 through 3 with willingham on the hill...one down, 6 to go...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 24, 2010, 09:10:33 PM
CNU completely washed out after their promising win against Salisbury on Thursday. Dropped two today to York, 3-2 and 6-3.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2010, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 24, 2010, 09:10:33 PM
CNU completely washed out after their promising win against Salisbury on Thursday. Dropped two today to York, 3-2 and 6-3.
i appreciate the split with salisbury, but wish the capts. could have done the same today

the monarchs finish off stevenson in game 2, winning 8-0 behind a 2nd 7 inning cg - willingham gave up just 3 hits and had a no-hitter through 5 - the monarch arms have really stymied the dangerous stevenson bats through the first two games...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 25, 2010, 01:30:12 AM
USA-South Overall records and winning% after April 24th games:

34-08 .810% ... SU
26-11 .703% ... MU
22-13 .629% ... FC
25-17 .595% ... AU
24-17 .585% ... CNU
17-19 .472% ... NCW
10-27 .270% ... GB


This might be a silly question, wonder what chance Ferrum would have for an at-large bid, if they won out?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 25, 2010, 08:45:39 AM
   I suspect 11 games in 9 days, and not winning some mid-season mid-week games, put my Captains in too big of a hole. You can't let yourself get in a position where you HAVE to win out as it's a funny game at times.   

     The Captains will be disappointed not to go to regionals, but this year's senior class had a very fine four year run, and the team returns 6 of 8 postion starters next year, so they should be in good shape. A couple key pitching recruits have gotten late D-1 offers, but CNU has a ton to offer and will bring in some arms. 

   The new CNU logo will debut sometime soon-I'm told the Captain will be fiercer than the twinkle toed Captain Chris. Nice.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 25, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
I personally like the old "sails" for the Captains logo, but then I also prefer feathers in the W&M Tribe logo....  Anything but the Captain logo currently in use.  Agree, hokieone, that the seniors had nice four year careers.

As for the pitching recruits with late D1 offers, perhaps they will join the Captains as sophomores.  Certainly happened before.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 25, 2010, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 21, 2010, 03:02:25 PM
Taking all the stuff out of the thought process here; I did a historical summary over the last 10 years (2001 - 2010).
I used conference records as they are consistent year to year.
School               W          L      # Seasons 500 or better
Methodist          89        52           9                   
CNU                  88        53          10
Ferrum              81        59            6
NC Wes             75        70            6
Shenandoah       57        84            2
Greensboro        56         81           4
Averett             50         91           4

With Shenandoah's 2 winning seasons coming in the last two years I would say that the practice of scheduling soft opponents comes from the need to have the wins to get considered for Regionals. This is a good practice based on that fact. I am wondering if Shenandoah is starting to build a solid program now because of better recruiting or if this is a benefit of current players on the team and it will end when they leave. Historicial you can not say that Shenandoah is one of the top USA South teams because they do not have the conference record to support it. Now with their current team, who by the way I say congrats you played really well in the tournament and will represent the USAS well, they are a quality group and this can do nothing but help in the future. But the coaches job is to coach/teach and position their team best as possible to get to their goals (regionals) and if you have to schedule games against the local high school that is what you do. So lets not say that Shenandoah is not scheduling soft teams, and there is no real excuse because all the other teams do travel against their opponents.

Did CNU's Harvell inherit a group of solid players in 2001?  Reason being, he was 98-36 during his first 3yrs and went to the World Series back to back in 2002 and 2003 for a overall .731 winning%.

Since 2004, the program is 172-113-2 for .599 winning% and overall since 2001 CNU is 270-149-2 for .641 winning clip.

Overall, under Harvell's tutelage since 2001, the Captain's have (1) regular season USA-South conference championship and (2) USA-South tournament championships.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 25, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
.599 winning percentage? Maybe it's because he doesn't shy away from the tough competition.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 25, 2010, 10:57:15 PM
mu improves to 27-11 with a 25-12 win over stevenson...3 of 4 would put the monarchs in great position
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 26, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
i just digested the mu/stevenson box scores a little more completely...trey such should be usasac potw this week after an 8 for 12, 3 hr 10 rbi weekend...wow!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballdad on April 26, 2010, 02:51:32 PM
Stevenson pitching is weak.  But a great week for him hitting.  Congrats!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 30, 2010, 10:55:54 PM
the monarchs give up 11 runs in the last 2 innings and lose 13-8...willingham appeared to be cruising along pretty well through 7 taking a 7-2 lead into the 8th before the wheels fell off...he gave up 2 runs, then markley gave up 2 without getting an out, then white (who has been automatic this year) gave up 2 more in the inning - mu tied it at 8 in the 8th, then the defense let them down in the 9th, as pc rallied for 5 more runs on a couple of hits and at least 2 errors

tough loss...need a couple of wins on Saturday to get things right...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 02, 2010, 09:57:55 PM
a 1-3 weekend (with 2 losses to york) has most likely ensured that the monarch players will be working the regional rather than playing in the regional...i thought if they could come back and salvage a split with york today they had a really good chance at 29-13, but 28-14 is probably one game short
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 03, 2010, 12:24:59 AM
In my opinion, the USA-South was down this year and if just one team advances to Reg'l then there is no way that this conference is one of the toughest in D3 for 2010.

I'm all for 3-game series for 2011 and hopefully it'll put an end to all of the moaning about weak schedules for certain teams.

So let's go back to 3-game series for 2011!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 07, 2010, 01:43:54 PM
congrats to van sickler, brashears, yocum and especially inghram for being named to the cosida academic all-district team... (http://www.cosida.com/documents/2010/5/6/2010%20AAA_All-District_Baseball.pdf)great job repping the conference and your school both on the field and off, fellas!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on May 10, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Word on the street is NCWC will have a legit pitching coach next year.  Hoooyaah!  Thank God!  It only took 2 years to find one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC 4 on May 12, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on May 10, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Word on the street is NCWC will have a legit pitching coach next year.  Hoooyaah!  Thank God!  It only took 2 years to find one.

WHAT!!!!!!    WHERE was this when i was there.... hahaha but thats awesome  seems to show that the hitting coach helped  or either the pitcher was down this year...  MR. C   who is the guy that is going to do it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on May 12, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
NCWC 4,
rumor is Aaron Aikin, former number 1 pick of the Florida Marlins.  He has been the pitching coach for Mount Olive past 6 years.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on May 13, 2010, 06:40:42 AM
Wow!  Hope that pans out for the Bishops.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on May 14, 2010, 07:05:48 AM
Too early to get excited...just a rumor, don't know for sure...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC 4 on May 14, 2010, 09:02:17 AM
That sounds great   but   ?.....     WHy would a guy leave Mount Olive and Higher division school that contends for a National Championship and is ranked in the top 10 every year   for a smaller school... where he will prolly get payed less.. i mean if i can remember we just got our lacrosse progam back because we didnt have enough money...  and we have to take  buses  instead of charters to games.... how they going to afford a full time pitching coach.... i hope the guy is a professor or something.... not knocking my school down by no means... but   you look at both programs and where their at right now and where there going... you tell me who you would pick....... plus lancaster will be done coaching sooner then long will..... who takes over M Olive  .... he sure looks like a good pick...... when Long is done... whos the first person you think of to take over.... JONES...... not a new pitching coach......    im not saying  but im just saying
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on May 14, 2010, 10:26:36 AM
I've met him several times when Mt. Olive was recruiting my son. As I said we just met with him some so he may be a fine fellow and great pitching coach, but I find it hard to believe he would move down to a DIII school unless he has humbled some. We'll see, if he does come, he'll have a bunch of good young sophomore arms to develop and hopefully a good freshman class along with some good upper class men and two senior proven high quality starters.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 28, 2010, 02:32:51 PM
congrats to trey such...2nd team abca all-american!

http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2010/5/27/BB_0527100805.aspx

i've also learned that such, inghram, lancaster and lovette are all playing for the morehead city marlins of the coastal plains league (and all are starting) - go monarchs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on May 28, 2010, 05:35:20 PM
Good luck Hornets tonight. We are all cheering for you here in Hornet nation.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 01, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
ill wesleyan finishes off an amazing run today...when was the last time a 21 loss team won a national title?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2010, 11:40:34 PM
Never in Division III baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on August 23, 2010, 02:39:40 PM
The school year is starting up again, is it to early to be looking forward to some USASouth Baseball?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on August 24, 2010, 02:46:41 PM
It's never too early.  Anyone care to speculate on the outcome of the next season?  I'll take a stab and await the usual onslaught of folks telling me how wrong and stupid I am.   Bear in mind, some of this is from reading conference game box scores so I may have called folks starters that didn't start all or most of the games.  Here goes:

1)  Shenandoah – Yeah, they lost 4 starters including 4 of top 5 in the bating order, but I'm a believer that you have to knock-out the champ to win the crown.  Unless someone takes them down hard during the season and gives the rest of the conference confidence, they will likely be there at the end.  They also return 3 of 4 starters and their closer.  I'm not as confident about them winning as I was last season – they'll move closer to the pack.

2) CNU - I know I'm being a bit of a homer here, but CNU only lost two starters.  They will miss having Neal in the order but they are loaded on offense.  The real question mark is the pitching and how well they will replace Brinkman.  If Chitzas' arm strength continues to improve, and a couple of the young guys step up, they could challenge SU.
   
3) NC Wesleyan – Pretty much returning the same squad that won the regular season so they should be strong again.  Knowles was great in the summer league and could be one of the toughest starters in the conference.   They will battle CNU and Methodist for the number 2 spot.

4) Methodist – Lost a couple starters but return the top of the batting order.  Real story will be who will fill the two starting spots vacated by Jordan and Kelly.   Britt appears capable of filling one slot.   CNU, NCWC, and Methodist have played pretty even over the last couple years.  One team needs to break from this pack.

5) Ferrum  - This team is ready to start competing with the top four.  They have improved over the last couple years and Franklin is a beast.  They are losing two starters and two starting pitchers, but this coach did a good job of getting lots of pitchers starts and innings so they may not drop too much in that area.  They better find some power to hit behind Franklin or he may set the conference record for walks this year.

6) Averett – They lost their number 2 thru 4 hitters and 3 of 4 starting pitchers so this season may be a challenge for them.  This team always seems to play tough on conference games and upsets someone in the conference tourney.  I still can't see them overtaking any of the teams above them.

7) Greensboro – Last season was a nightmare.  No wins in the conference.  Kudos to them for playing hard all year.  Unfortunately, they also lost the meat of their batting order to graduation.  That being said, they only lost one of their starting pitchers and several others got innings they might not have gotten in a typical year.  They won't go winless this season, but I doubt they will move out of last place. 

OK - Have at it. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on August 24, 2010, 04:42:35 PM
I agree it is never to early. I agree with the order overall. But as it is every year it will come down to who is best prepared for the tournament as proven last year. If you are flat there you are gone no matter what your seed.

1) Shenandoah - Champs till they someone takes it away. They are still good on the mound but at the plate is where they will need to prove themselves

2) CNU - Lost PN and JB and their closer. But they have some good talent as the freshman group from last year did a very good job all year, but to replace your #1 and closer is a tall bill. Offense should not be an issue but they also have to prove they can hit it.

3) NCW - If the team matured at all this team can be dangerous. They had a tendency to get down on themselves last year and if they can get over that they will compete.

4) Methodist - will be tough as always good squad and well coached. Year will depend on their pitching as they will hit well enough to be in every game.

5) Ferrum - Growing stronger every year. They need to solidify their order and find consistency on the mound. May be a year out but real close.

6) Averett - They will be stronger then thought as they have good young arms, if they can handle the pressure and grind they will do ok. If the hitters step up you better watch out for this team. Biggest issue will be defense.

7) Greensboro - they need to build on what they have and use this year to build the core of their team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on September 14, 2010, 01:16:26 AM
Randolph Macon is getting a new baseball field constructed.

Basically, it appears to be in the field behind the 3rd base dugout of the former field.

http://athletics.rmc.edu/sports/bsb/construction_gallery

http://www.rmc.edu/News/10-02-04%20Master%20Plan%20UPDATED.aspx
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 20, 2010, 11:41:20 AM
Ok any fall ball updates??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on September 22, 2010, 09:47:09 PM
I watched the CNU - Rappahannock CC scrimmage last weekend.   RCC had already played 3 games in their fall season and certainly played better than CNU in all facets.  That being said, there were some real bright spots for CNU.  The offensive lineup was strong from top to bottom.   Several players had multiple hits,  the DH hit several  bullets to the wall,  the leadoff hitter homered, and the subs added hits when they came in.  RCC's pitching was pretty good so this bodes well for the Captains this season.

The defense (a weak spot last year) looked dramatically better.  The middle infield was a kid returning from being injured all year and a freshman that looked very slick on some difficult plays.   Given their defensive struggles last year - this should certainly help them win some close games down the road.

Now the challenge - the pitching (in general) looks pretty ragged.  Two pitchers (Fleishman and the transfer from Mary Washington) looked good, but the rest were lit up pretty good by the RCC hitters (who are pretty darn good).   I was told a couple of the pitchers that have looked good over the summer did not pitch since they were slated for a Blue/Black scrimmage the next day.  Kind of a shame as I would have liked to see them tested by the RCC hitters. 

All in all I think it puts CNU right where I expected.  They should hit the heck out of the ball and play better defense, but their entire season is going to come down to how well some of the pitchers step up this year.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 23, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
NOVa - thanks for the update. Interesting stuff. Everyone I ask all say that RCC is a good team. Sounds like CNU is still working to determine the pitching staff. I know when I saw them last year Brinkman looked good but Chitsay (spelling?) was a little shaking but still pitched well. CNU had a couple of Freshman come out of the pen, Fleishman and Goldsmith, who look pretty good so maybe this is just a fallball thing. Do you have an opinion on how they will deal with the rotation seeing they have big holes in the number 1 (probably Chitsay) number 2 and closer. The defense sounds good so the big thing they will miss from Neal is leadership. From what you said the fact that they lost the entire middle infield does not hurt so much defensively but got to hurt them in the batting order. But anyways thanks for the update.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on September 27, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
The word I'm getting out of NCWC fall camp is they have brought in a great class packed with position players who are outstanding hitters, some with plus power, defensively strong and additional quality pitching to help. They only lost 2 starters, LF and the bulldog closer, so it sounds like they are reloading to take another run at the USA South Title again. The toughest spot they must replace is an outstanding closer, hope someone can step up for that spot and add some help in bullpen.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on October 05, 2010, 09:04:44 PM
From the update I got from fall scrimmages and practices so far is the pitching has been very good.  A lot of potential starters and a real senior pitching staff with potential starters in Knowles (senior), Webb (senior), Wessell (junior), Womble (senior), Costa (junior) and a lot of other good incoming arms.  Key will be replacing the closer in 09' and 10' John Child.

For the hitters I am being told we should have a lot of power.  Only lost starter is Joel Creef in LF and from what I hear Brian Allen may be moving from 3B there to fill that gap.   I hear Bogghosian (spelling?) at 3B has been hitting the crap out the ball.  Hopefully the moons will line up and will see another USAS title come back to Rocky Mount.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on November 08, 2010, 02:58:55 AM
As for SU, I see where former Greensboro Pride 1st team All-USA-South player in 2009, Clint DeHaven is now on their roster.  Sources tell me that SU's pitching has potential to be the best that they've had in recent years.  It was said that VanSickler's high school teammate who went to some D1 and then onto some JUCO is now at SU, Brent Bertschinger who looks like a decent size pitcher at 6'3" 195lbs, but their roster lists his previous school as James Wood, so not sure if that other stuff is true or not.  Also, see where they got a transfer from Saint Peter's, Joey Donofrio.

It'll be interesting to see what SU does to replace basically their entire infield at 2B, SS and 3B in Holcomb, Henry and Dusseldorph and the Delauther kid who was an outfielder.  That is 4 of their top 6 hitters listed last year.

Those four guys had 279 of their 656 hits, 18 of 51 HR's and scored 204 of their 520 runs.  That's an awful lot to replace.

http://suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2009-10/files/teamcume.htm

I agree, until someone knocks them off, they should be pre-season favorite.  I was very disappointed in CNU last year and I look for Methodist to make some serious noise and why wouldn't NCW be in the hunt.  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on November 25, 2010, 09:15:53 AM
Anybody heard what the USA South is going to do now that Shenandoah is definitely moving to the ODAC after the 2012 baseball season? 

I remember hearing some talk of CNU moving to the Capital but it was just that - talk.  I've also heard talk of the GSAC merging with the USA South although that would mean an awful lot more travel for the conference.  I guess they could split into a North and South division of the conference to save on travel.  The last thing I read mentioned Millsaps or LaGrange joining the USA South individually - again long trips.

In any case, it seems the USA South better start lining up some replacements or risk losing the Pool A bid in 2014. 

Anyone heard anything more?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 01, 2010, 07:55:52 PM
Sawsnow on the weather forecast map so it must be getting close to USA South baseball! Merry Christmas to all!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on December 18, 2010, 04:13:39 PM
Ugh!!  Winters seem to get longer every year.  Can't wait for the "spring" season which starts for some schools the first week of Feb.  We'll be watching CNU without HokieOne and his bride this year - sure to be wierd without them - they were an institution.  Hokie if you are still checking in on D3 - wish Parker the best for us and a Merry Christmas to the Neal family.  Maybe we will see you at a game this year.  Only 53 days to go. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on December 19, 2010, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on December 18, 2010, 04:13:39 PM
Ugh!!  Winters seem to get longer every year.  Can't wait for the "spring" season which starts for some schools the first week of Feb.  We'll be watching CNU without HokieOne and his bride this year - sure to be wierd without them - they were an institution.  Hokie if you are still checking in on D3 - wish Parker the best for us and a Merry Christmas to the Neal family.  Maybe we will see you at a game this year.  Only 53 days to go. 

Nova,
I am with you, to Parker congrats and to HokieOne thank you for being so nice and making the transition from HS parent to college parent very nice. To all the CNU parents and players I have enjoyed becoming part of the family and everyone has been so nice. To all a happy holidays and a happy coming season! Go Captains.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on December 21, 2010, 08:39:11 PM
Blessings to all of the CNU family! We're keeping up and will certainly be to some CNU games. It is weird not counting the days till opening day, but I get my baseball fix as GM of our new Valley League team, www.strasburgexpress.com.   Being out of the loop, I miss getting the "inside" news, but I know CNU has plenty of horses returning and will be rooting hard for the Captains.  It's about time to win a lot more of those away games.  Parker is doing fine in the business world and is the Director of Player Personnel for our summer team so it's a neat way to stay in the game-he does a lot of our recruiting.   Merry Christmas folks, we miss ya'll and will see you this spring! Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on December 21, 2010, 10:01:19 PM
Hokie:  Glad to hear you got the Strasburg team off the ground.  Congrats on that.  Shan really enjoyed the Cal Ripkin League the last two years.  Great baseball and great kids.  We still stay in touch with the two kids that lived with us all summer.  One told us how miserable he was with this year's host family (N/E League).  Make sure you remember these are 19-21 year old boys - they'll go nuts staying on a farm with 2 old ladies and no ESPN (bless them for offering their home, but it just doesn't work).   The Braves used to require the local kids to put up an out of town kid - not a bad policy. 

I'm guessing Parker will also do double duty as the hitting instructor if he's having to do the 9 to 5 thing.  You guys will make great owners.  We'll have to come watch a game this summer. 

Stay in touch and let us know when you will attend a CNU game so we can plan to be there.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on December 21, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
No surprise that Shenandoah nabs a #6 pre-season ranking.  They have earned it over the past two years, and they are still the team to beat in the USA South. 

Gotta give credit to Coach Harvell though - he has ramped up the competition for CNU this season.  They will be well tested by the time the USA South tourney rolls around.  The Captains play #2 Cortland on Feb 19th and have 9 games against teams on the ABCA list with a couple Myrtle Beach teams still to be named.  Strength of schedule won' be a problem for the Captains this season. 

#2 Cortland State (1 game)
# 6 Shenandoah (2 games)
# 11 Tufts (1 game)
#21 Salisbury (2 games)
"other top teams"
Mary Washington (1 game)
York (2 games)

Go Captains!!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 02, 2011, 01:27:47 AM
OK, its 2011 now, when is everyone's 1st day of practice?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 03, 2011, 09:33:19 PM
My son is going back to school this Saturday so I'm pretty sure maybe the following week practice will begin at NCWC.  Can't wait for this season to start, should be another fun year in the USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 07, 2011, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on December 21, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
No surprise that Shenandoah nabs a #6 pre-season ranking.  They have earned it over the past two years, and they are still the team to beat in the USA South. 

Gotta give credit to Coach Harvell though - he has ramped up the competition for CNU this season.  They will be well tested by the time the USA South tourney rolls around.  The Captains play #2 Cortland on Feb 19th and have 9 games against teams on the ABCA list with a couple Myrtle Beach teams still to be named.  Strength of schedule won' be a problem for the Captains this season. 

#2 Cortland State (1 game)
# 6 Shenandoah (2 games)
# 11 Tufts (1 game)
#21 Salisbury (2 games)
"other top teams"
Mary Washington (1 game)
York (2 games)

Go Captains!!



No matter who a team plays, they must win their respective "in-region" games to be ranked when the Reg'l rankings come out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 08, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
That's true but I seem to recall discussions on this site around SOS when it comes down to the last couple teams that get in.  All things being relatively equal (in-region) I would think that SOS would get some consideration as a tie-breaker. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on January 08, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 08, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
That's true but I seem to recall discussions on this site around SOS when it comes down to the last couple teams that get in.  All things being relatively equal (in-region) I would think that SOS would get some consideration as a tie-breaker. 
SOS is based on in-region results.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 09, 2011, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: OshDude on January 08, 2011, 11:43:31 PM

Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 08, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
That's true but I seem to recall discussions on this site around SOS when it comes down to the last couple teams that get in.  All things being relatively equal (in-region) I would think that SOS would get some consideration as a tie-breaker. 

SOS is based on in-region results.

That is why is really does not benefit any particular team to play teams outside of their respective "regions".  Your team gains nothing by playing out-of-region, but has a lot to lose within regards to your "in-region" rankings, SOS, OPWP and all of that other stuff that is used to determine the top 6-8 teams within each region.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 09, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 09, 2011, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: OshDude on January 08, 2011, 11:43:31 PM

Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 08, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
That's true but I seem to recall discussions on this site around SOS when it comes down to the last couple teams that get in.  All things being relatively equal (in-region) I would think that SOS would get some consideration as a tie-breaker.  

SOS is based on in-region results.

That is why is really does not benefit any particular team to play teams outside of their respective "regions".  Your team gains nothing by playing out-of-region, but has a lot to lose within regards to your "in-region" rankings, SOS, OPWP and all of that other stuff that is used to determine the top 6-8 teams within each region.
There is some benefit to playing out of region teams. It could be the difference between staying home or going to the playoffs. Here is an section taken from the NCAA DIII Championship Handbook which is related to Pool B/C bids:

Secondary Criteria

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-of-region Division III and all other opponents including those contests
versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).

• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.

Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the men's baseball committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the men's baseball committee
for selection purposes.

Also many teams like independents or teams that travel to warmer regions to get early season games played have no choice but to play out of region games to get to the max of 40 games allowed during regular season play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 09, 2011, 04:36:43 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 02, 2011, 01:27:47 AM
OK, its 2011 now, when is everyone's 1st day of practice?
1/10 for some teams on West Coast
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2011, 05:32:10 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on December 21, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
No surprise that Shenandoah nabs a #6 pre-season ranking.  They have earned it over the past two years, and they are still the team to beat in the USA South.  

Gotta give credit to Coach Harvell though - he has ramped up the competition for CNU this season.  They will be well tested by the time the USA South tourney rolls around.  The Captains play #2 Cortland on Feb 19th and have 9 games against teams on the ABCA list with a couple Myrtle Beach teams still to be named.  Strength of schedule won' be a problem for the Captains this season.  

#2 Cortland State (1 game) Not in-region
# 6 Shenandoah (2 games)
# 11 Tufts (1 game)  Not in-region
#21 Salisbury (2 games)
"other top teams"
Mary Washington (1 game)
York (2 games)

Go Captains!!


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 10, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
Well it looks like all of the other regions have already prepared for hosting the regionals.  Now it is time for the teams to start preparing for the upcoming regular season.  Any early season predictions on the south region, as the players are reporting back to school after a winter layoff.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 10, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
I recently heard that the USASAC university presidents voted to allow Maryville, Lagrange, and Piedmont to enter conference.  Now it is up to those schools to accept invite.  If they accept it would be for the 2012-2013 year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 11, 2011, 10:26:23 AM
I hope at least one of those schools accepts the invite.  With the USASC loosing Shenandoah we will loose a Pool A bid. I'm pulling for Maryville to accept it...I thing is the closest of the travel.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 11, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
Not a bad trip for the GC,NCWC,MU,AU,FC.  But a very long trip for Cnu to Maryville.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 12, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Wow! How about the USASAC putting four players on the pre-season all-american team.  Such of MU, Brashears and Van Sickler of SU, and Franklin of FC all pre-season first team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 14, 2011, 03:32:51 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on January 12, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Wow! How about the USASAC putting four players on the pre-season all-american team.  Such of MU, Brashears and Van Sickler of SU, and Franklin of FC all pre-season first team.

Is the Franklin kid from Ferrum even playing this year?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 14, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
Not sure about Franklin.  Ferrum does not have a 2011 roster up yet.  Did you here that he might not be playing?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 17, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
USA South Fan.  You were right in your assumption on Franklin from Ferrum.  He is not playing.  I'm not sure, but I hear he has finished his schooling.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: StagnantFLY on January 18, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
Hey Guys,
Its been awhile since I have posted. I was wondering about Indy Ball. My son played at the Division 3 level and was all region player 3 times and an all conference player as well. He had very good college stats.....averaging a .350-.380 BA every year with alot of RBIs and 4-5 Home Runs. I know its a tough answer since you prob havent seen him play but do you think he has a shot at playing Indy ball? Whats the level like at Indy ball....does an above average college D3 Player have a chance to excel there? He is been trying to contact teams via email but they seem to invite him to tryouts....are these tryouts worth it? Hope someone knows more than me!

Thanks
The FLY



Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 04:01:51 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on January 17, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
USA South Fan.  You were right in your assumption on Franklin from Ferrum.  He is not playing.  I'm not sure, but I hear he has finished his schooling.

Wow - that will be a blow to Ferrum this year.  That kid could hit the heck out of the ball. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 18, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Have not heard much from anyone on the teams and what they are looking like.  I am sure practice has started for most if not all.  Some teams play in just a few weeks.  February will be here before we know it.  I am looking forward to seeing the rosters when they are posted.  There are always some surprises with additions and subtractions. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BBFan62 on January 18, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
For me, my sons team starts practice Feb 1; our first game isn't until 3/6 in Florida. I hate the time from October to March. I say put me in a coma, let me hibernate, and wake me up 3/1,
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 18, 2011, 07:17:53 PM
BBFan62 looks like your group starts late.  Must be w/ SU as AU, MU, and GC open up on the 5th.  NCW on the 6th, FC on the 8th and CNU on the 9th.  SU opens up on the 12th, so I guess they can start a little later.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
CNU has been practicing since last week.  Got to watch some intra-squad this weekend.  They seem to have done a good job filling the two positions that graduated in the middle infield.  Hitting is still a strong suit.  What I noticed most is the impact of the new bats - its horrible.  Some great swings were put on pitches and the balls barely made it to the outfielders.  They come off the bat like they used to .... they just die.  Offense is going to be hard to come by for everyone this year.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
CNU has been practicing since last week.  Got to watch some intra-squad this weekend.  They seem to have done a good job filling the two positions that graduated in the middle infield.  Hitting is still a strong suit.  What I noticed most is the impact of the new bats - its horrible.  Some great swings were put on pitches and the balls barely made it to the outfielders.  They come off the bat like they used to .... they just die.  Offense is going to be hard to come by for everyone this year.   

Nova,
Do they someone who can step in for Brinkman or the closer (Malvo?)? I have not got to see any hitting with the new bat but image it is a lot like watching wood bat league.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BBFan62 on January 18, 2011, 08:05:59 PM
rolln2 - No, my son plays in NY; it's under snow. I just love college and HS baseball, regardless of the conference. I follow many of the kids he played with and against. Yep, sure is fun watching March and early April games! However, it was that way throughout high school. I always kid him and ask him if he forgot there IS baseball in warm states!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
Boys,

Those two are going to be very hard to replace.  They brought in a lot of pitchers in with this freshman class.  I got to see a couple of them (Santalucia and Bierlien) this weekend and both looked pretty good.  The rest that threw this weekend were the same group that got most of the innings last year other than Brink and Malvo - (Chitzas, Fleishman, Goldsmith, McIlhenney, and Harsanyi).  In addition to those 7, there are 7 more pitchers on the staff so hopefully a few of them will have breakout years.   

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
Nova,
Thanks, yes they are big shoes to fill. The iddle of your infield and two top line pitching slots. WOW hope they are working hard. Franklin gone too should be interesting.

Anyone one got SU news? and haven't heard much about NCWC. Predictions?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2011, 06:17:01 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
CNU has been practicing since last week.  Got to watch some intra-squad this weekend.  They seem to have done a good job filling the two positions that graduated in the middle infield.  Hitting is still a strong suit.  What I noticed most is the impact of the new bats - its horrible.  Some great swings were put on pitches and the balls barely made it to the outfielders.  They come off the bat like they used to .... they just die.  Offense is going to be hard to come by for everyone this year.   

Nova,
Do they someone who can step in for Brinkman or the closer (Malvo?)? I have not got to see any hitting with the new bat but image it is a lot like watching wood bat league.

What's wrong with the new bats making it similar to watching a wood bat league?  IMHO, it'll be more like good ole fashion baseball.  At least we'll eliminate those softball scores.  It definitely puts the defense back into the game and brings back the coaching strategy.  The better coaches will surface to the top as a result of the change in the new restricted bats. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on January 19, 2011, 07:42:12 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 19, 2011, 06:17:01 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
CNU has been practicing since last week.  Got to watch some intra-squad this weekend.  They seem to have done a good job filling the two positions that graduated in the middle infield.  Hitting is still a strong suit.  What I noticed most is the impact of the new bats - its horrible.  Some great swings were put on pitches and the balls barely made it to the outfielders.  They come off the bat like they used to .... they just die.  Offense is going to be hard to come by for everyone this year.   

Nova,
Do they someone who can step in for Brinkman or the closer (Malvo?)? I have not got to see any hitting with the new bat but image it is a lot like watching wood bat league.

What's wrong with the new bats making it similar to watching a wood bat league?  IMHO, it'll be more like good ole fashion baseball.  At least we'll eliminate those softball scores.  It definitely puts the defense back into the game and brings back the coaching strategy.  The better coaches will surface to the top as a result of the change in the new restricted bats. 

That's one way of looking at it.  But having brought up two sons playing during the "softball score" era, I wonder if kids like them will not find "old school" baseball boring and lose interest.  Baseball is a hard game to learn and appreciate and by limiting scoring we are risking turning it into soccer from a player and fans perspective.  I too am from the old school era and appreciate a good 1-0 game, but the majority of casual fans do not.  More importantly, a 13 year old OF can appreciate an occasional 1-0 game, but he's not gonna like standing out their watching K's and ground balls every game.  I hope I'm wrong and the reduction in offense brings back the occasional 1-0 game and not a slew of them.  I'd rather watch a game won by a pitcher or batter than a coach.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 19, 2011, 07:42:12 AM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 19, 2011, 06:17:01 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on January 18, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
CNU has been practicing since last week.  Got to watch some intra-squad this weekend.  They seem to have done a good job filling the two positions that graduated in the middle infield.  Hitting is still a strong suit.  What I noticed most is the impact of the new bats - its horrible.  Some great swings were put on pitches and the balls barely made it to the outfielders.  They come off the bat like they used to .... they just die.  Offense is going to be hard to come by for everyone this year.   

Nova,
Do they someone who can step in for Brinkman or the closer (Malvo?)? I have not got to see any hitting with the new bat but image it is a lot like watching wood bat league.

What's wrong with the new bats making it similar to watching a wood bat league?  IMHO, it'll be more like good ole fashion baseball.  At least we'll eliminate those softball scores.  It definitely puts the defense back into the game and brings back the coaching strategy.  The better coaches will surface to the top as a result of the change in the new restricted bats. 

That's one way of looking at it.  But having brought up two sons playing during the "softball score" era, I wonder if kids like them will not find "old school" baseball boring and lose interest.  Baseball is a hard game to learn and appreciate and by limiting scoring we are risking turning it into soccer from a player and fans perspective.  I too am from the old school era and appreciate a good 1-0 game, but the majority of casual fans do not.  More importantly, a 13 year old OF can appreciate an occasional 1-0 game, but he's not gonna like standing out their watching K's and ground balls every game.  I hope I'm wrong and the reduction in offense brings back the occasional 1-0 game and not a slew of them.  I'd rather watch a game won by a pitcher or batter than a coach.

The real baseball players will also rise to the top.  If they want softball scores, then go play softball.

Don't go soft, play hard ball!

:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 19, 2011, 10:07:25 AM
NCWC has brought in a quality class of freshman position players and pitchers to reload their team.They started practice Monday and from what I understand things are going well.Their biggest question right now is the back end bullpen and who is going to replace the closer John Childs. NCWC has started a JV program again this year mainly due to the depth of the team. The overall program, I believe, will have approximately 36 players on the roster. On paper this year team has the potential to be much better than last years team but only time and game results will tell. The USA South conference should be fun and exciting to watch again this year.  I can't hardly wait for it to start... Ready to see some baseball!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 19, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: StagnantFLY on January 18, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
Hey Guys,
Its been awhile since I have posted. I was wondering about Indy Ball. My son played at the Division 3 level and was all region player 3 times and an all conference player as well. He had very good college stats.....averaging a .350-.380 BA every year with alot of RBIs and 4-5 Home Runs. I know its a tough answer since you prob havent seen him play but do you think he has a shot at playing Indy ball? Whats the level like at Indy ball....does an above average college D3 Player have a chance to excel there? He is been trying to contact teams via email but they seem to invite him to tryouts....are these tryouts worth it? Hope someone knows more than me!

Thanks
The FLY






Unless your kid was invited to any of these tryouts his best bet is to go to these open tryouts it can not hurt for anything.  I have seen a lot of kids who I thought should get a shot never make it and those I thought had no chance get on a Indy team.  It only takes one team to like you.  Also teams don't care about stats, they want to see Tools so without knowing who your kid is I can't say if I have seen him play and give a good idea on his realistic chances. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2011, 01:58:27 PM
Shenandoah Tabbed as USA South Baseball Favorites


(FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.)- Shenandoah University, under the direction of eighth-year Head Coach Kevin Anderson, was picked to win the USA South Athletic Conference 2011 baseball title in the preseason coaches' poll. The Hornets will look to duplicate what was a stellar 2010 campaign. Shenandoah won the NCAA South Regional and reached the Division III World Series for the second consecutive season. The Hornets also captured the USA South Tournament Championship for the first time in program history.

The Hornets received six of seven first-place votes (36 points) as head coaches do not vote for their own teams in the balloting.

Methodist University finished second in the balloting with 29 points and the final first-place vote. Christopher Newport University placed third in the poll with 25 points while defending Conference regular season champions, N.C. Wesleyan College, received 23 points to finish fourth. Ferrum College, Averett University and Greensboro College, respectfully, rounded out the voting.

The 2011 campaign gets underway on Saturday, February 5th as Averett, Greensboro and Methodist are in action. The USA South Tournament will be played April 14th - 17th in Burlington, N.C. at the Burlington Athletic Stadium.


2011 USA South Baseball Coaches Poll
Rank/Institution (1st Place Votes)   Pts.

1.   Shenandoah (6)   36
2.   Methodist (1)   29
3.   Christopher Newport   25
4.   N.C. Wesleyan   23
5.   Ferrum   14
6.   Averett   12
7.   Greensboro   8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 19, 2011, 08:48:01 PM
Wow...NCWC 4th?  They only lost closer John Childs and LF Joel Creef and from what my son has told me, have reloaded on the bats.  Pitching will be solid.  My only question is who will close?  NCWC will not have another 17-19 season...and even with that, they won the regular season title by I believe going 9-3 in Conference if I'm correct.  I look for huge years from 1B Z. Alexander, OF D. Moore, INF J. Rahm and OF  JJ Allen.  On the mound don't be surprised if Webb and Knowles end up as the best 1-2 punch in the USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 20, 2011, 10:14:37 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on January 19, 2011, 08:48:01 PM
Wow...NCWC 4th?  They only lost closer John Childs and LF Joel Creef and from what my son has told me, have reloaded on the bats.  Pitching will be solid.  My only question is who will close?  NCWC will not have another 17-19 season...and even with that, they won the regular season title by I believe going 9-3 in Conference if I'm correct.  I look for huge years from 1B Z. Alexander, OF D. Moore, INF J. Rahm and OF  JJ Allen.  On the mound don't be surprised if Webb and Knowles end up as the best 1-2 punch in the USA South.

I don't get it either, but according to the team they love being picked forth to finish in the conference and are fired up planning on using this as additional motivation towards having a great season and hopefully winning the regular season crown again and the USA South tournament. They know they will be dog fight and will have to bring their A game every weekend!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
i'm a bit surprised that the monarchs are #2 in the preseason poll...i figured 3rd or 4th would be where the conference coaches would slot them

we should start to see some rosters up in the coming weeks...that will perhaps answer some of the questions about the polls (or possibly create more if there are losses we are unaware of)

congrats to such (mu), vansickler (su) and brashears (su) for being named 1st team pre-season all-americans (http://www.d3baseball.com/all-american/preseason2011.pdf)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 22, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
As all USAS fans know.  When it comes to baseball the pre-season poll never seems to matter.  The teams beat each other up so much, that who ever is left standing takes home the crown.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 22, 2011, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on January 22, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
As all USAS fans know.  When it comes to baseball the pre-season poll never seems to matter.  The teams beat each other up so much, that who ever is left standing takes home the crown.

Amen!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 26, 2011, 01:06:38 PM
Well any updates on how those early practices and/or intra-squads are going.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 27, 2011, 02:01:35 PM
the monarch roster is up...no real surprises, but there are a lot of young arms...they'll be needed to replace over 200 innings from last year - i've heard really good things about those young arms...they've got lots of talent, but do they have what it takes between the ears?

i suspect the monarchs will need to rely on a proven offense early and hope that the pitching can round into form
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 29, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
NCWC roster up.  Look for 3B Jr transfer Christian Boghossian to make lots of noise with the bat as a newcomer.  On the mound, NCWC's pitching is what is going to win games I believe with a solid 1-2-3 punch of A. Webb, M. Knowles and K. Wessell.  Bullpen also looks solid with Womble, Costa and Shearin.  Let the games begin...2 more weeks!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on January 30, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
1 week from today :) I hope the weather next Sunday is as nice as today...but it probably will be 30 degrees with 30 mph wind gust in Rocky Mount
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 30, 2011, 04:48:17 PM
Looks like everyone opens up next weekend except SU, and CNU.  Get ready because here it comes.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 01, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Since it seems like at the beginning of the season we see alot of ODAC/USAS matchups.  Has anyone seen anything on the ODAC conference predictions?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
monarch preview (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2011/2/1/BB_0201114325.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on February 02, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Last year the USA South was rated the toughest conference in D3 Pre-season.  Has anyone seen that list come out this year? 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 02, 2011, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on February 02, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Last year the USA South was rated the toughest conference in D3 Pre-season.  Has anyone seen that list come out this year? 

Last Year, I thought the level of play was down overall.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 03, 2011, 02:17:05 PM
Spent some time in some very boring meetings and starting playing with the numbers from last year. Started by wanted to see if there was one team that really like their home cooking and grew alittle. I have the numbers seperated and will present this summary of last year to start to get everyone interested in this year. I did not include Greensboro simply because I did not have the numbers at the time but I found them now so if wanted I can get those to. Enjoy and comments are welcome


               
Home Runs


  Team   # HRs   HR @ Home   HR Away  HR Tourney        Tournaments


Shen U      51            31                   7               13                 USA Reg WS
Metodist      36            26                   7               3                 USA
AU            16            10                   2               4                 USA
Ferrum      27            15                   8               4                 USA
CNU         34            20                   7               7                 USA
NCWC        16            9                    5               2                 USA


               
Batting Avg


  Team   Avg @ Home   Avg Away   Avg Tourney  2010 Avg        Tournaments


Shen U      .386            .336                   .341               .365               USA Reg WS
Metodist      .347            .313                   .358               .338               USA
AU            .356            .332                   .299               .343               USA
Ferrum      .352            .297                   .338               .332               USA
CNU         .352            .243                   .321               .310               USA
NCWC        .282            .268                    .284               .278               USA


               
Pitching


  Team   ERA @ Home   ERA Away   ERA Tourney  2010 ERA        Tournaments


Shen U      4.31            5.33                   3.84               4.51               USA Reg WS
Metodist      4.15            4.18                   7.56               4.39               USA
AU            5.51            4.67                   6.62               5.36               USA
Ferrum      5.09            6.43                   6.43               5.68               USA
CNU         3.78            5.66                   7.38               4.94               USA
NCWC        5.14            6.59                    5.50               5.55               USA


               
Games Home vs Away


  Team       Home        Away   


Shen U        22               15
Metodist        26              13
AU              26              12
Ferrum        21              13
CNU          21              14
NCWC         24              10


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on February 03, 2011, 02:29:57 PM
WOW! Nice stuff... That must have been a REALLY boring meeting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 03, 2011, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 03, 2011, 02:29:57 PM
WOW! Nice stuff... That must have been a REALLY boring meeting.

Oh you have no idea! I have some very nice spreadsheets as I was wondering about the new bats but just keep going.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 03, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
Nice work on the numbers.  It really shows how nice it is to be at home.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Wood on February 04, 2011, 10:06:29 AM
Let the games begin!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 04, 2011, 07:02:10 PM
Looks like Chapman out of California is in good form early.  All-American pitcher w/ no hitter through five.  The bats also must work out west as they have two HR's in five innings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 04, 2011, 07:05:43 PM
Finally tomorrow we get to see some south region action as some USAS and ODAC teams get going.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 05, 2011, 05:03:30 PM
Well the ODAC starts off well with Hampden-Sydney sweeping two from Averett.  Methodist still to play today.  Lets see if USAS gets first win of season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2011, 08:38:05 PM
mu 9 - huntingdon 1

no box or story (in fact, the score was not on either team website, but on d3baseball.com
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 05, 2011, 11:28:28 PM
I am about to hit the sack, get a good nights sleep, wake up in the morning to a bright and shiny day and head to Rocky Mount to see my first college baseball of 2011! Alleluia

Here we go  Battling Bishops, let's start the year off with a bang.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 06, 2011, 09:34:37 AM
Hampden Sydney has a webcam at their field, pretty impressive coverage.

With today's technology, this should be at least the minimum standard at every D3 field as it would allow fans to watch the game combined with the school's live audio stream.

http://72.10.224.193/view/viewer_index.shtml?id=5386


Ferrum takes on HSC today at 1pm.



BTW ... RMC's new facility is awesome!

http://athletics.rmc.edu/sports/bsb/2010-11/first-day-gallery
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 06, 2011, 08:16:21 PM
Well looks like the USAS had a decent day on the diamond going 3-1 on the day.  Ferrum, and NCW gettting three of those wins, and Methodist taking a loss.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 07, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
NCWC started their season impressively yesterday.  Bats looked like they were in mid season form with 10-3 and 7-4 win over EMU.  A lot of freshman played yesterday and for the most part were very impressive.  With Seniors Webb and Knowles performance like yesterday on a weekly basis, the Bishops will be hard to handle come conference weekend play.  Lynchburg is next on Wednesday, let's make it 3-0!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 07, 2011, 07:36:27 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 07, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
NCWC started their season impressively yesterday.  Bats looked like they were in mid season form with 10-3 and 7-4 win over EMU.  A lot of freshman played yesterday and for the most part were very impressive.  With Seniors Webb and Knowles performance like yesterday on a weekly basis, the Bishops will be hard to handle come conference weekend play.  Lynchburg is next on Wednesday, let's make it 3-0!

What's your impression of the NEW bats?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 07, 2011, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on February 07, 2011, 07:36:27 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 07, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
NCWC started their season impressively yesterday.  Bats looked like they were in mid season form with 10-3 and 7-4 win over EMU.  A lot of freshman played yesterday and for the most part were very impressive.  With Seniors Webb and Knowles performance like yesterday on a weekly basis, the Bishops will be hard to handle come conference weekend play.  Lynchburg is next on Wednesday, let's make it 3-0!

What's your impression of the NEW bats?

I'll give you my impression of the new bats. They are deadened and much more comparable to a wood bat. Home runs and power numbers will be down with the new bat. As far as batting average, they will have a slight effect on average but it is going to balance out somewhat because some hits that would normally carry out to the outfielders that would be caught will now drop in front of them and some of the hits that would carry over the out fielders will now be caught. Ground balls on the infield also do not have as much pop as before but can also produce some infield hits with slow rollers; the infielders will have to make the adjustment of charging the ball harder immediately off the bat.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 07, 2011, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 07, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
NCWC started their season impressively yesterday.  Bats looked like they were in mid season form with 10-3 and 7-4 win over EMU.  A lot of freshman played yesterday and for the most part were very impressive.  With Seniors Webb and Knowles performance like yesterday on a weekly basis, the Bishops will be hard to handle come conference weekend play.  Lynchburg is next on Wednesday, let's make it 3-0!

I totally agree with your assessment. The offense will be greatly improved this year particularly since a couple of starters did not even dress out yesterday. The freshman look very promising and NCWC is the deepest at every position that I have  seen in four years. The question mark of the closer was answered yesterday and no longer a question, the Junior college transfer Fylnn will be outstanding in that role. The infusion of a lot of very good young arms will help to bolster the bullpen, to help the returning upperclassman in the bullpen and allow some of them to become quality weekday starters. Yesterday, the shaky part of the team was the outfield with several miss play balls that should have easily been caught and one that was dropped after the ball hit in the palm of the glove and all these were recorded as hits (? for some reason), but the outfield will become outstanding (exceptional speed) with the return of some starters and a few games of experience.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 07, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
Looking at the boxscores throughout the country it does not appear that the bats are having too drastic an effect on the scores so far this early season.  Plenty of runs and hits to go around.  But what I am noticing is that the big scores do seem to have a lot of walks in the pitching dept.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 08, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
I agree with WES.  I could not tell much difference on the bats.  the DH, Power hit a moon shot that went over the Bauer sign.  That was a SHOT! We did have 2 slow grounders that became infield hits.  As for the team, our new supposedly closer JR S. Flynn looks like the real deal.  That curveball produced 4 K's in 1.2 INN...pretty impressive.  Was not impressed how the bullpen was handled the second game.  I expected some upper class men to bridge the gap to Flynn.  We'll see in the coming games.  I'll be there tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 08, 2011, 05:55:51 PM
   I'll miss my first CNU opener in 7 years tomorrow,  :-[ but our sons have graduated. Good luck to the Captains! Nobody seems to be expecting a huge season out of them, but there's an awful lot of talent there so let's get off to a good start. After digging somewhat of a hole last year, I think they just ran out of gas digging their way out and didn't quite get where they wanted to go...that and that blasted ultra-fast astro-turf reject of an infield at Salisbury-honestly, they should have a warning sign for visiting infielders to stay 10' off the turf.   

   Get 'er done and we'll see you guys at MWU next week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 09, 2011, 08:09:26 AM
One more USAS team, CNU, gets their season underway today vs Hampden-Sydney.  Still two more teams GC, and SU waiting until this weekend.  I am sure those players are chomping at the bit to get playing.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 09, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
Nice job Captains, getting off to a good start winning 13-0 over Hampden-Sydney. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2011, 08:59:51 PM
mu gets a 3 hit performance from johnny wholestaff and beats guilford 5-2...freshman arms threw 6 innings of one hit ball (too many walks, though) - mu is 2-1 going into a 3 game weekend vs. lynchburg and 2 vs. berry (ga)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 10, 2011, 07:58:23 AM
Looks like CNU got off to a good start w/ a 13-0 win against Hampden-Sydney.  Looks like they pitched it pretty well too.  Just USAS teams left to play now in GC, and SU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GallopingGhost80 on February 11, 2011, 09:47:54 AM
Should be a chilly one in Winchester this weekend. SU have any freshmen to keep an eye on this season?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 11, 2011, 04:06:32 PM
Well through the first 12 games of the season the USA SOuth overall record is the same but the runs for and against are different. After this weekend plan to look at the batting stats to see if there are big differences in the power numbers.


 
First 12 games 2011 versus 2010


  Year             Wins   Loss   Avg Runs For    Avg Runs against


2010                 6            6                  5.67               3.67     
2011                 6            6                  6.42               6.92     



Difference         0            0                  0.75               3.25     


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 11, 2011, 07:42:48 PM
Boysofsummer21 I think you got the years in reverse.  This year the USAS is averaging 5.6 runs per contest and giving up 3.6 per contest.  The total against in 12 games is 44, and the total for is 68.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 11, 2011, 08:10:35 PM
Yes I do thanks for the catch


               
Home Runs


  Year          Wins       Loss   Avg Runs For           Avg Runs against


2011               6            6                5.67               3.67     
2010               6            6                6.42               6.92     



Difference        0            0                0.75               3.25     


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 12, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
Another frustrating day at Bauer Field.  Bishops go down to Bridgewater College 8-5 and 4-0.  Game on the line on both games and bullpen did not come thru...it's early and coach is still feeling his way around...I hope.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 12, 2011, 08:29:47 PM
Boy the USAS really took it on the chin today.  They went a combined 2-7 w/ six of the losses coming at the hands of the ODAC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2011, 08:59:26 PM
the monarchs went 1-1 today, beating lynchburg and losing to berry, which is now 4-1 on the season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 13, 2011, 03:38:59 AM
I was at the Shenandoah game saturday. They don't look like they've missed a step after graduating quite a few Sr's from last year. I expect they will only get stronger as the season progresses with Coach Anderson at the helm once again. Should be another good season for baseball in the USAS
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2011, 09:42:01 PM
the monarchs pound out 14 hits and 3 hr's to beat berry 10-0 today - frosh michael judge pitched a beauty today, going 7 with 9 k's
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 14, 2011, 09:09:10 AM
Glad my Bishops could pull one out this weekend.  Tough week for NCWC, they have #5 D2 team Mt. Olive and travel to Randolph Macon no games this weekend though. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 14, 2011, 01:14:28 PM
I just wanted to say congrats to Trey Such on getting the 1st HR out of the way for this season. My father and I are running a Valley League Baseball team, upon which he is a member of for this upcoming 2011 Summer Season, so I am excited to see him kick it off.

Also a congrats to my CNU boys. From what I could tell watch live stats, it looks as if they played well in all areas of the game. From watching Mr. Mark's live blog, it looks as if the good ole' LF sun captured yet another victim. I sure miss college baseball, but definetly not that sun shinning on LF, 3B, and SS.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 15, 2011, 01:57:01 PM
Shenandoah Hornets play host to Cortland (N.Y.) State this Friday afternoon at 2 pm....sure wish I got off work a lil earlier so I could make the short trip over to Winchester. What bout you pneal7?? You gonna be able to make the trip??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 15, 2011, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: bossman on February 15, 2011, 01:57:01 PM
Shenandoah Hornets play host to Cortland (N.Y.) State this Friday afternoon at 2 pm....sure wish I got off work a lil earlier so I could make the short trip over to Winchester. What bout you pneal7?? You gonna be able to make the trip??

P.S. Cortland #2/#4 in two D3 polls and Shenandoah #6/#7 in the same polls...should be a goood one
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GallopingGhost80 on February 15, 2011, 02:15:18 PM
We will definitely get a gauge on SU's pitching depth as they also have Misencordia Saturday in a double header, and Elizabethtown Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 15, 2011, 02:34:28 PM
I might try to make it over to SU this weekend. We certainly should get a feel for their pitching depth. They return the majority of the staff, so I am sure they feel they are sitting pretty on pitching. Although, you know what they say, you can never have enough arms.

SU was always a fun game. Despite the arguments everyone made against their weak schedule, they won the them all: whether they truly counted, or where just a week-day cupcake, they won them all. It doesn't/didn't matter where or how you pitch them, sooner or later they are going to hit.

Good luck to my CNU boys today down @ UMW. I'm anxious to see how their arms perform after Chitaz. They've got the talent on the hill, and the coaches to put them in the right positions, it just comes down to performing under pressure.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2011, 09:08:36 PM
0-3 for the usasac today...tough day
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 18, 2011, 07:54:40 AM
Looks like CNU got USAS back on the board w/ an impressive showing over Randolph-Macon 12-3.  Looks like the bats have been pretty good for them so far as they have scored in double digits in three of four games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 18, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
Shenandoah Univ. hosting Cortland State in Winchester today in a battle of top 10's...0-0 after 4 complete. Pitchers duel to this point. Both pitchers coming off big years last season and both look to be in mid-season form this afternoon!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 18, 2011, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: bossman on February 18, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
Shenandoah Univ. hosting Cortland State in Winchester today in a battle of top 10's...0-0 after 4 complete. Pitchers duel to this point. Both pitchers coming off big years last season and both look to be in mid-season form this afternoon!!

Excuse me....little type-o on my behalf...2-0 SU after 4 complete... ;D
Huge 2 out RBI single right back up the middle by LF Jake Pendergraft, followed by 3B Cory Nelson trotting home on a 2 out wild pitch!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 18, 2011, 04:07:05 PM
@6/7 Shenandoah Univ. knocks off #2/4 Cortland State at home 2-0. Pre-season All-American Greg Van Sickler was absolutely masterful on the mound going 8 strong innings of 3 hit baseball. He worked fast and really controlled the tempo of the game and never allowed the Cortland St. hitters to get into a rhythm at the plate. Closer Kyle Scallion pitched a no-hit shutout 9th inning to cap off the win. SU moves to 2-0 on the young season and Cortland St falls to 0-1 on the year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 18, 2011, 08:52:50 PM
Good win for SU and the USAS.  Maybe CNU can do the same tomorrow and show everyone why the USAS has been one of the strongest conferences in the country over the years.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2011, 11:09:09 PM
nice win for the hornets today...great job of stepping up and beating a good opponent in a non-conference tilt

mu dominated roanoke today, 12-0 in 7...frosh womble looked really good, going 6, giving up just 4 hits while striking out 8...he's got some good stuff - the monarchs stole 13 bases as a team, including matt quick stealing home in the 3rd - i like the offensive make up of this team...lots of speed, top to bottom and good line-drive hitters - 12 position players played today, so lots of young guys got some pt - if the young pitchers can continue to hold up, this could be a nice team

huntingdon on saturday and frostburg on sunday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 19, 2011, 08:38:49 AM
Congrats to SU on a big non-conference win. Van-Sickler seemed to be typical Van-Sickler; not over-powering but just flat out knows how to pitch. I'm hoping that since this is Cortland's 1st weekend outside, my CNU boys can do the same. The offense for the Captains seems to be strong early in the year, and a couple young arms have thrown well to this point. Their true freshman SS is having a monster early season as well.

It should be another show-down in the USAS, with SU, MU, NCWC, and CNU all having a legitimate chance at the title.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 19, 2011, 04:53:24 PM
Boy I don't know if it is "Southern Hospitality or Southern Hostility" but bet Courtland State can wait to say goodbye to Virginia and the USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 19, 2011, 07:55:23 PM
Looks like CNU continued the USAS strong showing w/ a 7-3 win of Cortland St.  Then just for fun it looks like Bridgewater decided to score six runs w/ two outs in ninth to beat Cortland 15-14.  WOW Cortland will definitely be happy to leave the state of VA.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2011, 08:18:38 PM
cortland losing a couple of games on an early southern swing isn't entirely unheard of...by the time the season is over, they'll likely be a 27+ win team

the monarchs dropped a 10 inning, 1-0 game vs. huntigdon today - britt went 8, giving up 5 hits - huntingdon scored an unearned run in the top of the 10th - such ended the game with runners on 2nd and 3rd - the monarchs drop to 5-3 while huntingdon improves to 5-2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 21, 2011, 03:10:43 PM
You are correct Narch. At the end of the year, Cortland will be 32-7 or so and ranked in the Top 10. They are always a very, very good club; they just struggle early b/c it's usually their first few days outside.

Tough to go from a gym floor to seeing live pitching.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 21, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Looks like USAS had a pretty good weekend.  GC, and AU both swept, and CNU and SU both handled their games as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 22, 2011, 03:09:10 PM
Anyone know when the next top 25 poll will be released??  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: ilikebaseball on February 22, 2011, 06:00:51 PM
Too many of the Northern teams have not even played yet, I believe the polls won't be update until the first or second week of March. After everyone gets going it will be updated each week on Monday at Midnight.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 22, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
USAS seems to be getting it together a little.  GC, AU, and FC all recorded wins today for the USAS.  Since the end of last week week through today it looks like the USAS is starting to play like the conference everyone in the south knows.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 23, 2011, 10:41:51 AM
Speaking of the USAS starting to get it together.  The USAS is now 31-27 on the young season.  Not bad after the early starts of some of the teams.  Seems like some of the early season woes are being corrected.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on February 23, 2011, 07:31:49 PM
CNU is looking great this year, both on offense and defense. Some good moves from Harvell getting a few good young arms and building a deeper and versatile staff. Many pitchers will start and come out of the pen. Looks promising for Conf Tourney time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
mu rebounds from a tough weekend with a 7-4 win over an 8-4 hampden sydney club...womble gets the win, going 4 and giving up no earned runs...5 others pitch one inning each - thigpen hit a bomb and inghram got a couple of hits...maybe he'll start to heat up for the monarchs - the monarchs have 2 vs. lagrange this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 9INNDiamond on February 24, 2011, 03:27:40 PM
New User Hello everyone
I was checking the CNU v.VWC score just a second ago and Tyler Mcelhenny seems to be in a bit of a jam with the bases loaded in the top of the 5th inn. The score is now CNU 7 VWC 6 but there are still no outs.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 9INNDiamond on February 24, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
The USAS is off to a great start

Shenandoah
Looks Strong as usual and is off to a great start
VanSickler is showing his true colors on the hill already 2-0
Scallion already with 1 save on the season strong out of the pen
SU bats will always be there when they need them, with some very strong hitters in there lineup
Breseahears is going to have a lights out season already with 7 RBIS and he can play an awesome CF
Problems
Who is going to step up for the Sunday games in Conf. play
Whose going to come in before Scallion and fill those inns.?
Is the coaches aggressive play going to hurt this team in the long run of the season or will he overuse Van Sickler?
The coach has been doing all the right things the past few seasons so I do give him lots of CREDIT (well deserved)

CNU
Bats are STRONGER then ever and they are deep hitting wise
Some great players this year in there lineup Matt Shoemaker off to a fantastic start
Freshmen SS Steele showing he is ready to step up and come through
CNU replaced some big holes they had in the field and at the plate this year

Problems
I only see one starting pitcher for the Captians as off right now
Chitsaz has shown he is the ACE, personal I think he should have been the ACE last year
The biggest problem CNU has is who is coming out of the PEN and who else is going to start
CNU is KNOWN for leaving there STARTERS in way to long, PRIME EXAMPLE today verse VWC
The pitching coach needs to get some younger guys some starts and some inns during the season so they will be ready for the Conf. tourney AND STOP leaving the starting pitchers out there to long

Methodist
Returning some great players
Trey S. is a stud and is going to have a great season
They have some great bats in there lineup as well
DONT know to much about SORRY

NCW ?
AU ?
FU ?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: RoundTripper on February 24, 2011, 03:53:34 PM
What about gc? Any word on there turn around?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 24, 2011, 08:55:49 PM
Well 9 Inning saw the game today and as far as pitching was concernced the only thing that did not look suspect was the 7-9th innings. I had seen some of the scrimages and thought that Fleishman would be starting but looks as if he is closing. You would know better than me if this is a good move. CNU always leaves their starters out there to long but that is nothing new but their 2 true releivers Verdillo and Fleishman lead the team in strike outs so maybe it is a case of starters doing a good job and keeping them in the game and let those guys close it out which they seem to be doing so far. Once conference starts this week end will probably see a little more defined rotation.

Also had a question about Ferrum, has anyone gotten to see them. From what I hear they should be tough,,, the USA South this year is going to be a war.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 9INNDiamond on February 24, 2011, 09:10:21 PM
McELHENNY, Tyler      4.0    8    9    9    3    3    0    0    0    0    20    24    1    8

That looks like to long to me the kid should have been out after the 3rd inn.

The Bullpen did look strong today Verdillo and Fleschman are showing strength from the PEN

The starters staying in to long will be the down fall to CNU this year other then that they look golden
There bats are getting the job done without question. They can be giving up double digits and still win with ease.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 07:40:13 AM
Josh Brinkman was clearly the ace of the staff last year. I don't think there is any doubt, or reason to question, that point at all. I also do not think the bullpen is a problem at all. Fleischman showed promise last year, and looks to have built on top of that and developed into a solid 9th inning guy. Matt Verdillo has come out of the gates hot this year, and if he continues his performances, which he has the stuff to do, the backend of a game won't a problem for CNU this year. I think CNU has had some quality relivers for some time, it's just about finding the right spots that the pitchers feel comfortable in.

Shoemaker and Steel have both come out on fire. Shoemaker has always been a great player, he was just injured for the majority of the year last year. At this point, he has to be the front-runner for USAS POY; although, no conference games have been played, so that doesn't mean anything. Adding those two to an already potent lineup should make for a nice offensive season for CNU.

As usual, and as was the case during my 4 years, the big key for CNU is winning the weekday, road game. Playing CNU at home, or on the weekend, always makes for a tough game. BUT, winning the road, weekday games can make a big statement towards regional record, which would be a nice safety net for anyone not winning the USAS Tourney. I can probably count on both my hands how many road, weekday games we won during my span.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 25, 2011, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 07:40:13 AM
Josh Brinkman was clearly the ace of the staff last year. I don't think there is any doubt, or reason to question, that point at all. I also do not think the bullpen is a problem at all. Fleischman showed promise last year, and looks to have built on top of that and developed into a solid 9th inning guy. Matt Verdillo has come out of the gates hot this year, and if he continues his performances, which he has the stuff to do, the backend of a game won't a problem for CNU this year. I think CNU has had some quality relivers for some time, it's just about finding the right spots that the pitchers feel comfortable in.

Shoemaker and Steel have both come out on fire. Shoemaker has always been a great player, he was just injured for the majority of the year last year. At this point, he has to be the front-runner for USAS POY; although, no conference games have been played, so that doesn't mean anything. Adding those two to an already potent lineup should make for a nice offensive season for CNU.

As usual, and as was the case during my 4 years, the big key for CNU is winning the weekday, road game. Playing CNU at home, or on the weekend, always makes for a tough game. BUT, winning the road, weekday games can make a big statement towards regional record, which would be a nice safety net for anyone not winning the USAS Tourney. I can probably count on both my hands how many road, weekday games we won during my span.



I'm sure a guy we both know from up our way wearing red, white, and blue would have a lil something to say about that statement Mr. Neal...You know the guy that's hitting .558(11/20) 2 dubs, 3 trips, 3 RBIs, and a SB. And of yeah, he's decent on the bump to I hear....2-0 13 innings 11 hits 2 runs(both earned) 9 K's, 1.38 E.R.A.
Idk though, just a thought....thats all lol
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
You are correct. Greg and Kevin are both always in the mix for USAS POY. Let me correct my statement: Outside of the usual contenders (Van Sickler, Brashears, Ingram, Such), Shoemaker is holding his own right there at the top. That better ? :)

9INNDiamoned - I hope all is well your way. Let me know what weekend(s) you're heading down to CNU to catch some games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 25, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
You are correct. Greg and Kevin are both always in the mix for USAS POY. Let me correct my statement: Outside of the usual contenders (Van Sickler, Brashears, Ingram, Such), Shoemaker is holding his own right there at the top. That better ? :)

9INNDiamoned - I hope all is well your way. Let me know what weekend(s) you're heading down to CNU to catch some games.

Haha, I know what ya mean man. Just figured i'd take the opportunity to make a lil stab at ya! Hope all is well your way. BTW.....shouldn't you be working or something?? lol
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
I have a sneaky suspicion that the CNU v. VWC game had a planned attack in terms of pitching. If you notice they threw 3 starters during the game, so I'm guessing it was McElhenny 4 or 5 IP, then each of the other starts get 1 IP or so, then to the pen. In these early season games, a good majority of the time their is planned attack in terms of pitching, and they try to stick to that. This is true for all teams. I recently saw where one team (can't remember who) through 9 pitchers, 1 IP each. I'm assuming this is the reason McElhenny went 4 IP.

Bossman - Yea, I should be. BUT, talking baseball is way more fun.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 25, 2011, 12:19:36 PM
The season is very young but started the spreadsheet to track per game stats. The tables shows the per game differences between 2011 and 2010. You do have to remember that the season is very young and teams have not played a lot of games but started this so it will be easier to track as the season goes on. At the point of doing this;
Averett 11 games
CNU 7 games
Ferrum 8 games
Greensboro 6 games
Methodist 10 games
NCWC 8 games
Shenandoah 5 games
So still a very small sampling.
A negative number means a decrease in 2011 versus 2010. Positive number means an increase. The only place you probably don't want a positive is Strike outs!
I have my comments but will post this to see if this draws any others.



               
2011 VS 2010 per game stats


  Team                 AB         Runs      Hits       2B        3B           HR        RBI         BB        SO         AVG       OB%        SLG






Averett          -8.43     -4.73       -5.62    -1.47    -0.15     -0.11   -4.13      -1.40    -0.06    -0.101   -0.103      -0.144
     CNU           0.30      3.10        0.58     1.28    -0.10      0.74    3.24      -0.16     1.94     0.014    0.022       0.108
Ferrum          -3.36     -1.49       -1.85    -0.50    -0.32     -0.34   -1.58       0.11     0.24    -0.023   -0.015      -0.073
Greensboro          -4.57     -2.92       -3.81    -0.86    -0.14      0.26   -2.31       1.91    -0.57    -0.087   -0.030      -0.082
Methodist          -2.84     -1.81       -3.10    -1.22     0.34     -0.36   -2.23       0.80     0.85    -0.066   -0.041      -0.102
   NCWC          -1.21     -1.11       -0.92     0.68    -0.14     -0.07   -0.65      -1.29    -0.33    -0.017   -0.028      -0.008
Shenandoah          -5.44     -1.83       -2.87    -0.89     0.91     -0.66   -3.31      -1.97     1.06    -0.027   -0.025      -0.032


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 25, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
Boy whats up w/ NCWC.  LaGrange wins 15-0.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 26, 2011, 08:41:05 AM
NCWC having it's early season issues...Bullpen has been getting lit up and batting has been mediocre with team BA at .262. Only consistent bat in the lineup has been Soph catcher Tyler Clark (.429-1-6) Senior Justin Rahm (.281-0-9, 4 BB) and Jr Zach Moore (.308-0-4, 8 BB).  Outfield defense has been well below average as we can't get to many balls out there due to lack of speed and inexperience outfielders.

Averett coming into town on a 5 game winning streak not going to help the cause but I'm pulling for a sweep as I believe coach will keep pitchers on a tight leach this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 26, 2011, 06:09:37 PM
NCWC sneaks a win vs Averett for game 1 of series by score of 6-4.  SR Andrew Webb threw a beauty.  New faces in the shaken up lineup made a difference.  Bats pounded 10 hits which was nice.  Late inning relief still up in the air for someone to step up and take charge of those innings as coach had to go to FR Ben Longton to close game.  SR Brian Allen and SO Tyler Clark had very good games at the plate.  Very impressed by freshman 3B Jose Parra...maybe the kid gets some more light.

Game 2 tomorrow at 2pm.  Weather supposed to be sunny and 75F at Bauer field....NOT!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2011, 09:30:03 PM
mu cruised by lagrange with an 8-1 win today...britt goes 7 with 9 k's and such got out of his early season power slump with a hr
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
the monarchs improve to 8-4 with an 8-3 win over lagrange today...lancaster had 3 hits, as did inghram and such collected a pair of hits, as well - womble went 6.2 giving up just 3 hits with 0 er and 5 k's

nice weekend for the monarchs
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on February 27, 2011, 11:16:34 PM
Quote from: bossman on February 25, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
You are correct. Greg and Kevin are both always in the mix for USAS POY. Let me correct my statement: Outside of the usual contenders (Van Sickler, Brashears, Ingram, Such), Shoemaker is holding his own right there at the top. That better ? :)

9INNDiamoned - I hope all is well your way. Let me know what weekend(s) you're heading down to CNU to catch some games.

Haha, I know what ya mean man. Just figured i'd take the opportunity to make a lil stab at ya! Hope all is well your way. BTW.....shouldn't you be working or something?? lol

haha yea Parker. shouldn't you be working? im just messing. CNU is hot right now. Watch out. Shoemaker for POY. Steel for FOY. If not for them both winning those awards, they will at least be the players of the week many times this year, you mark my words. Fleischman and Verdillo are throwing great this year. I think if CNU had one more pitcher like Chitsaz, they would be golden. And good luck to all USAS teams, make sure you beat whoever you all are playing out of conference to prove that the USAS is a major conference to contend with.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 28, 2011, 07:32:06 AM
Tough lost yesterday by the Bishops.  Fell behind 7-0 early with a bad 2nd inning and then fought back to lose 7-3.  Again the offense seems stagnant with SR Justin Rahm producing 2 of the 3 hits.  Team is heading to Memphis, TN for 2 game series with Rhodes this week...got to get on a streak soon.  Offense had 10 hits Saturday so I don't really understand why we changed things up for Sunday...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 28, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
I agree with LTHSdad,it was a tough loss for the Bishops yesterday. Knowles pitched a much better game than the score indicated, in fact he pitched very well, and not to take anything away from Averett, they have a very good hitting ballclub, but right field killed us yesterday. Three of the five hits they recorded in the second inning were routine flyballs that should have been caught in right field if a true outfielder had been playing that position instead of a converted third baseman who is too slow for a college outfielder, unable to read the ball off the bat and takes bad angles to the ball once he makes his read. I apologize that it sounds like I'm putting the young man down but I'm really not, I'm sure he's doing the best that he can of what he's being asked to do, BUT he is being played in a position that he has not used to playing and does not have the tools to play that position. The backbreaker in that inning was a 235 foot bloop flyball that should have been easily caught, with the bases loaded, that was severely miss read and played and while trying to make a sliding catch the ball scooted under his glove resulting in a recorded triple driving in three runs. Some other mistakes and an error piled on even more runs in the second inning and put the Bishops in a very deep hole early in the game. If the same speedy outfield had been in place on Sunday that played Saturday this would have been an entirely different game, NCWC still may have lost the game as we only scored three runs, but it would have been a much closer game and who knows what would have happened if that had been the situation.
It is also very obvious that the Bishops hitters are missing Coach Byrd, the hitting coach from last year, as the approach at the plate for most players is trying to pull every pitch instead of taking a pitch away back up the middle or to the backside. Some adjustments need to be made quickly to get their offense producing the runs that they are capable of putting up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 28, 2011, 11:15:04 AM
Quote from: cnu13 on February 27, 2011, 11:16:34 PM
Quote from: bossman on February 25, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
You are correct. Greg and Kevin are both always in the mix for USAS POY. Let me correct my statement: Outside of the usual contenders (Van Sickler, Brashears, Ingram, Such), Shoemaker is holding his own right there at the top. That better ? :)

9INNDiamoned - I hope all is well your way. Let me know what weekend(s) you're heading down to CNU to catch some games.

Haha, I know what ya mean man. Just figured i'd take the opportunity to make a lil stab at ya! Hope all is well your way. BTW.....shouldn't you be working or something?? lol


haha yea Parker. shouldn't you be working? im just messing. CNU is hot right now. Watch out. Shoemaker for POY. Steel for FOY. If not for them both winning those awards, they will at least be the players of the week many times this year, you mark my words. Fleischman and Verdillo are throwing great this year. I think if CNU had one more pitcher like Chitsaz, they would be golden. And good luck to all USAS teams, make sure you beat whoever you all are playing out of conference to prove that the USAS is a major conference to contend with.

CNU13 after seeing CNU play last year I thought that Fleischman would be the number 2. GOldsmith looked good yesterday so maybe that answers the question ayways. The bats seem to be more aggressive for CNU and they ae hitting in groups and that is a good thing. I bet they wish they still had the PN bat in the lineup!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 28, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
Not too sure if you guys happen to notice, but sure looks like the Hornets are having little trouble with the new bats  ;D 8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 28, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: bossman on February 28, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
Not too sure if you guys happen to notice, but sure looks like the Hornets are having little trouble with the new bats  ;D 8-)

Right now the only trouble they are having is trying not to wear them out! SU is playing good baseball and should be higher up in the first season poll to come out. Now do you think CNU makes the poll? How about Methodist?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 28, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on February 28, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: bossman on February 28, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
Not too sure if you guys happen to notice, but sure looks like the Hornets are having little trouble with the new bats  ;D 8-)

Right now the only trouble they are having is trying not to wear them out! SU is playing good baseball and should be higher up in the first season poll to come out. Now do you think CNU makes the poll? How about Methodist?

I would say CNU has a better chance to sneak into the next top 25 poll than Methodist does as Methodist hasnt done much to allow themselves to move u much. CNU on the other hand has beat the preseason #2 and played Mary Washington(Who I believe makes it's season debut in the top 25 next time poll is released) pretty tough, although CNU lost 5-3. SU may move up to one of the top 3 spots. I saw them play earlier this year and they are quite impressive. 8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 28, 2011, 03:54:03 PM
CNU and SU are both wearing the bats out pretty well. Both have two very, very talented offenses. I don't think there is any doubt CNU will be up in the Top 25 in the next poll. All personal bias aside, or as much as possible, I feel like they definetly deserve to be at this point in the season. I look forward to being in Newport News for the annual CNU v SU showdown. It should be quite a good one.

I know NCWC always comes on strong; however, right now I see it as a 3-horse race between SU, CNU, and MU. BUT, like I said, NCWC always plays everyone tough (especially CNU), and will certainly be in the mix come conclusion of regular season conference play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 28, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
CNU beats Johnson and Wales today at Myrtle Beach, 7-5, to go to 9-1.  Nice to see Austin Lindley have a good outing. All of the CNU fans from afar greatly appreciate the blog of the games-It's right on the Mark!    SU-CNU series should be fun, but both have lots of work to do before then.  I don't hear much whining about the new bats anymore, and both CNU and SU certainly have figured out how to swing them... but neither has hit the JMU mark of 37 runs on a very very windy day in Harrisonburg earlier this year. (In 8 games, they've scored 132 runs, "only" 29 home runs, 6 players with 4 or more)   

   FYI, SU being so darned good takes away all the fun about whining about their schedule. And it is stronger this year, but they win them all anyway. A very good program to be sure, the best on the SU campus by far, now get the administration to build you a field worthy of the program.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 01, 2011, 08:03:38 AM
Allow me to correct HokieOne and say CNU won 7-5. Shoemaker 2 for 3 with another HR and a 3b, while Madden also went 2 for 3. Both are tacking on the RBI's in rapid fashion.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 01, 2011, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 01, 2011, 08:03:38 AM
Allow me to correct HokieOne and say CNU won 7-5. Shoemaker 2 for 3 with another HR and a 3b, while Madden also went 2 for 3. Both are tacking on the RBI's in rapid fashion.

In case ya missed the write up on SU's website from this past weekends games. SU swept Ferrum as they were led once again by pre-season AA's Van Sickler and Brashears.

Greg got the win on the bump in saturdays game to improve to 3-0 in 3 starts and he also went a combined 5 for 11 at the dish with 2 bombs,4 RBIS, and a SB. (Dropping his average from .520-.516) haha

Brash ended up 3 for 7 4 runs scored, 3 RBI's and a walk. (Upping his average from .316-.346 over the weekend.)
8-)

Although Shoemaker is putting up monster #'s early on!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 01, 2011, 12:01:23 PM
Ok I like stats and tracking stats so I just have to say that the new USA South website is terrible for that. I am not sure but really don't need to know my favorite baseball teams rushing yards! Try finding the team pitching stats. Also I think that Greensboro and CNU played last weekend but the individual stats are not there and if you look at the team conference stats there is nothing for the two teams. Who is responsible for providing this stats to the USA South? I really like the stats tracking from years pasted as it is easy to get the information you are looking at. Just me.

SU and CNU are both playing very good ball right now so this coming weekend will help to determine where MU is going to fit into the picture.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 01, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
I agree BoysOfSummer21. The new stat page is absolutely horrible. At least we can now compare how many passing yards each team racks up  8-).

MU @ CNU this weekend should be a good one. I assume CNU will save their top of the line arms for MU, which will make it interesting to see how the younger, and lesser experienced, arms perform during their spring break trip.

Aside from Van Sickler, whose the next best arms in the conference? Obviously, given my bias, I'd put Chitaz high up there on list. Even with my bias aside, his numbers alone put him right behind Sickler.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 01, 2011, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 01, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
I agree BoysOfSummer21. The new stat page is absolutely horrible. At least we can now compare how many passing yards each team racks up  8-).

MU @ CNU this weekend should be a good one. I assume CNU will save their top of the line arms for MU, which will make it interesting to see how the younger, and lesser experienced, arms perform during their spring break trip.

Aside from Van Sickler, whose the next best arms in the conference? Obviously, given my bias, I'd put Chitaz high up there on list. Even with my bias aside, his numbers alone put him right behind Sickler.

Tre Britt-Methodist
Looks like he's got pretty good numbers vs. pretty good teams early on.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 01, 2011, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 28, 2011, 03:54:03 PM
CNU and SU are both wearing the bats out pretty well. Both have two very, very talented offenses. I don't think there is any doubt CNU will be up in the Top 25 in the next poll. All personal bias aside, or as much as possible, I feel like they definetly deserve to be at this point in the season. I look forward to being in Newport News for the annual CNU v SU showdown. It should be quite a good one.

I know NCWC always comes on strong; however, right now I see it as a 3-horse race between SU, CNU, and MU. BUT, like I said, NCWC always plays everyone tough (especially CNU), and will certainly be in the mix come conclusion of regular season conference play.

As Predicted Mary Washington gets into the top 25 coming in at #22 and CNU sneaks in at #25!!
SU Moves up to #4...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 01, 2011, 04:15:50 PM
Well looking to this weekend Averett needs to come up big in both games this weekend. SU has a dog fight heading their way but if they can take 2 it would be big. MU is getting CNU at the right time. They will have just finished 7 games in 7 days, got to wear on your pitching. So should be a fun weekend.... wish it was Friday!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2011, 10:01:05 PM
mu gets a 14-1 win over immaculata today -  lancaster stole 2 bases in the first (including home) and now has 14 in 13 games - lovette, inghram and such each had multi-hit games, with such getting 4 rbi - a bunch of young arms combined for a 4 hitter with frosh bialy getting the win

mu travels to lynchburg on wednesday...tough test before a tough weekend - we might see the monarchs use 9 pitchers for one inning each to keep arms fresh for the weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 02, 2011, 07:31:31 AM
The Captains run their record to 10-1 overall today with a 6-3 win over Piedmont College, whose always tough. Connor Madden goes 4 for 4 with 2 doubles and a home run, now giving him 4 home runs and 22 RBI though 11 games. Freshman Bryan Bierlein goes 5 IP strong, giving up only 2 ER's.

It's nice to see the Captains winning those weekday, road games (knock on wood). I hope to see them continue on a roll straight into the big weekend against MU.

Also of note, it's nice to see Trey Such break out on a 3 for 3 day with 4 RBI. It looks like all of MU's big swingers are heating up at the right time, with Lovette, Inghram, and Such a combined 7 for 11 with 5 RBI and 8 runs scored yesterday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 02, 2011, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 02, 2011, 07:31:31 AM
The Captains run their record to 10-1 overall today with a 6-3 win over Piedmont College, whose always tough. Connor Madden goes 4 for 4 with 2 doubles and a home run, now giving him 4 home runs and 22 RBI though 11 games. Freshman Bryan Bierlein goes 5 IP strong, giving up only 2 ER's.

It's nice to see the Captains winning those weekday, road games (knock on wood). I hope to see them continue on a roll straight into the big weekend against MU.

Also of note, it's nice to see Trey Such break out on a 3 for 3 day with 4 RBI. It looks like all of MU's big swingers are heating up at the right time, with Lovette, Inghram, and Such a combined 7 for 11 with 5 RBI and 8 runs scored yesterday.


You making your way to SU this weekend or you headed to Newport News Pneal7??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 02, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
CNU, after along ride back to the beach from Atlanta, beats Staten Island in game 1, 10-5 to improve to 11-1 on the season. Richard Lindsay gets the win I think-official box score isn't up yet. Game 2 coming up. Staten Island was pre-season pick to win their conference but to be fair, they probably haven't see a field outside up until about now.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2011, 05:13:31 PM
the monarchs are all over lc 11-0 in the 9th...frosh judge went 6 giving up 3 hits and frosh lee has gone 2 with no hits...lc has a really nice internet camera feed with a solid crew calling the game...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 02, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
The Monarch are getting stronger each day and have to be happy right now. CNU plays 7 games in six days travels back from Myrtle beach tomorrow and then plays them this weekend. MU is done for the week and prepping for CNU. I am debating going to see SU vs NCWC or the CNU vs MU game. Really don't think I can lose either way!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 03, 2011, 07:25:54 AM
CNU runs their record to 12-1 with a double header sweep of Staten Island. I will say, I doubt Staten Island has seen much outdoor time at this point in the season; but, nonetheless, CNU won 10-5 in game 1 and 9-2 in game 2. Drue Vernon goes a combined 7 for 10 on the day, with Connor Madden staying hot, going 5 for 9. Luke Saunders drilled his 3rd HR of the year in game 1.

One more game down in Myrtle Beach, and then it's back to Newport News to face MU this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 03, 2011, 09:23:46 AM
SU handles BC with their #4 on the bump 11-4...Van Sickler goes yard again along with Clint DeHaven. Goddard goes 8 innings giving up 3 runs...SU pounds out 15 hits once again.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 03, 2011, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 02, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
The Monarch are getting stronger each day and have to be happy right now. CNU plays 7 games in six days travels back from Myrtle beach tomorrow and then plays them this weekend. MU is done for the week and prepping for CNU. I am debating going to see SU vs NCWC or the CNU vs MU game. Really don't think I can lose either way!

FYI, SU vs. NC Wes series has been moved up a day due to forecasted rain on Sunday in Winchester. Game one Friday at 4 PM with Van Sickler on the bump. Game two Saturday at 1 PM with Claudio on the hill for SU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 03, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
Updated from original post - tracking as games are starting to get more frequent. The season is still young but started the spreadsheet to track per game stats. The tables shows the per game differences between 2011 and 2010. You do have to remember that the season is very young and teams have not played a lot of games but started this so it will be easier to track as the season goes on. At the point of doing this;
Averett 15 games
CNU 11 games
Ferrum 10 games
Greensboro 9 games
Methodist 14 games
NCWC 13 games
Shenandoah 9 games
So still a very small sampling.
A negative number means a decrease in 2011 versus 2010. Positive number means an increase. The only place you probably don't want a positive is Strike outs!

If CNU starts to reduce strikeouts and put the ball in play more watch out. Also Shenandoah had a great season last year so the stats can be a little mis-leading. Like hits per game is down 1 from 2010 to 2011 ( 13.67 vs 12.67) and runs are up ( 10.83 vs 11.56) so SU is getting the job done!


             
2011 VS 2010 per game stats


 Team                    AB        Runs     Hits       2B       3B           HR       RBI         BB       SO       AVG      OB%        SLG






Averett          -6.96     -3.41       -4.57    -1.22    -0.04     -0.05   -2.98      -1.10     0.72    -0.076   -0.074      -0.100
    CNU           0.53      1.88        0.47     1.13     0.25      0.44    2.19       0.12     2.42     0.009    0.014       0.091
Ferrum          -3.11     -1.77       -1.87    -0.60    -0.35     -0.31   -1.88      -0.16     0.54    -0.026   -0.025      -0.079
Greensboro          -1.85     -1.65       -2.59    -0.58    -0.02      0.26   -1.14       1.53     0.26    -0.067   -0.018      -0.055
Methodist          -2.38     -0.50       -1.90    -0.55     0.14     -0.43   -1.05       1.07     0.48    -0.034   -0.008      -0.069
  NCWC          -1.22     -1.75       -1.03     0.15    -0.06     -0.14   -1.30      -0.86     0.51    -0.021   -0.026      -0.029
Shenandoah          -3.44      0.72       -1.00     0.65     0.38      0.27    0.02      -0.55     0.51     0.008    0.012       0.089



Conference            -2.60     -0.87       -1.73   -0.12     0.06     -0.01     -0.86      -0.01     0.74    -0.030    -0.020      -0.020

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 03, 2011, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 03, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
Updated from original post - tracking as games are starting to get more frequent. The season is still young but started the spreadsheet to track per game stats. The tables shows the per game differences between 2011 and 2010. You do have to remember that the season is very young and teams have not played a lot of games but started this so it will be easier to track as the season goes on. At the point of doing this;
Averett 15 games
CNU 11 games
Ferrum 10 games
Greensboro 9 games
Methodist 14 games
NCWC 13 games
Shenandoah 9 games
So still a very small sampling.
A negative number means a decrease in 2011 versus 2010. Positive number means an increase. The only place you probably don't want a positive is Strike outs!

If CNU starts to reduce strikeouts and put the ball in play more watch out. Also Shenandoah had a great season last year so the stats can be a little mis-leading. Like hits per game is down 1 from 2010 to 2011 ( 13.67 vs 12.67) and runs are up ( 10.83 vs 11.56) so SU is getting the job done!


             
2011 VS 2010 per game stats


 Team                    AB        Runs     Hits       2B       3B           HR       RBI         BB       SO       AVG      OB%        SLG






Averett          -6.96     -3.41       -4.57    -1.22    -0.04     -0.05   -2.98      -1.10     0.72    -0.076   -0.074      -0.100
    CNU           0.53      1.88        0.47     1.13     0.25      0.44    2.19       0.12     2.42     0.009    0.014       0.091
Ferrum          -3.11     -1.77       -1.87    -0.60    -0.35     -0.31   -1.88      -0.16     0.54    -0.026   -0.025      -0.079
Greensboro          -1.85     -1.65       -2.59    -0.58    -0.02      0.26   -1.14       1.53     0.26    -0.067   -0.018      -0.055
Methodist          -2.38     -0.50       -1.90    -0.55     0.14     -0.43   -1.05       1.07     0.48    -0.034   -0.008      -0.069
  NCWC          -1.22     -1.75       -1.03     0.15    -0.06     -0.14   -1.30      -0.86     0.51    -0.021   -0.026      -0.029
Shenandoah          -3.44      0.72       -1.00     0.65     0.38      0.27    0.02      -0.55     0.51     0.008    0.012       0.089



Conference            -2.60     -0.87       -1.73   -0.12     0.06     -0.01     -0.86      -0.01     0.74    -0.030    -0.020      -0.020



Good post, like the stats update every once ina while boysofsummer!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 03, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
Yea I like stats! Working on pitching now but not as straight forward as the new USA South website statics page (sorry to say) sucks, but will probably work that in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2011, 01:27:06 PM
i'm not quite as sold yet on mu as you guys seem to be...i want to wait until i see how the sunday pitching holds up in conference play - i think womble has great stuff, but he's a freshman...let's see how he handles the usasac - judge and lee looked really good on my computer screen yesterday, but it appears that lc is a bit down this year - too many young arms to really start talking about mu as an elite team right now...

i do think the offense is starting to heat up, and i don't think that inghram and lovette will stay below .300 much longer...inghram is a career .360 hitter and lovette is a career .382 hitter...when they get hot, they can really carry the offense, and neither has really gotten hot yet - tyler younger is really scuffling right now, too...he's going to start hitting at some point - in fact, no monarch is really hitting over his head right now (maybe lancaster at .400, but with his speed, I could see him having a .400 season)

i also don't expect the team era to stay below 2.0 for much longer :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 03, 2011, 07:10:32 PM
NCWC leaves Memphis, TN after letting 2 games get away vs Rhodes College.  Lost first game 6-5 on 3 unearned runs in the 9th inning.  SO RHP Jake Alexander pitched well enough to win.  Was expecting JR closer S. Flynn  to come out in 9th inning and shut the door but that never happened.  Botched play by JR 3B Boghossian in 9th lead to the lost.  SR OF D. Moore seems to be coming out of his season long slump (3-4, 1 R). SR 1B Z.Alexander had a good game too and may be coming out of his slump.  Team pounded 13 hits.

Lost second game 8-4 after being up 4-0...Starting pitcher Womble was left in too long although he was cruising until the 4th.  Pitchers JR S. Flynn, JR R. Costa and FR B. Longton had clean innings but the bad luck bug hit the bullpen again.  Offensively, SR OF D. Moore is on a roll with a 2-4 day and SR SS J. Rahm also went 2-4...Going to Winchester, VA for 2 vs. the No.4 Hornets...we are now 4-9 with another 2 games...at the USAS tough conference game...WOW!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 03, 2011, 08:28:32 PM
Well look at the bright side SU is only averaging 11.56 runs per game and 12.67 hits per game compared to NCWC 4.62 runs per game and 8.38 hits per game..... oh wait better lace them up tight.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 03, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
Oh and did anyone notice that the only thing to increase for all teams so far this year is strikeouts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 03, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 03, 2011, 07:10:32 PM
NCWC leaves Memphis, TN after letting 2 games get away vs Rhodes College.  Lost first game 6-5 on 3 unearned runs in the 9th inning.  SO RHP Jake Alexander pitched well enough to win.  Was expecting JR closer S. Flynn  to come out in 9th inning and shut the door but that never happened.  Botched play by JR 3B Boghossian in 9th lead to the lost.  SR OF D. Moore seems to be coming out of his season long slump (3-4, 1 R). SR 1B Z.Alexander had a good game too and may be coming out of his slump.  Team pounded 13 hits.

Lost second game 8-4 after being up 4-0...Starting pitcher Womble was left in too long although he was cruising until the 4th.  Pitchers JR S. Flynn, JR R. Costa and FR B. Longton had clean innings but the bad luck bug hit the bullpen again.  Offensively, SR OF D. Moore is on a roll with a 2-4 day and SR SS J. Rahm also went 2-4...Going to Winchester, VA for 2 vs. the No.4 Hornets...we are now 4-9 with another 2 games...at the USAS tough conference game...WOW!

Well, good luck trying to go into Winchester and stealing a game vs. SU. Gonna be a tough task!! I've seen them play twice this year and they're still stroking it as well as they did the last two seasons....Be there for saturdays game.  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2011, 09:45:39 PM
i was just peeking at the upcoming monarch schedule along with the top 25 poll...mu has some tough games, going forward...2 vs. #25 cnu, 2 vs. #4 su, 2 vs. #23 salisbury and single games against #15 tufts and #21 keystone - this is in addition to the tough usasac schedule outside of cnu and su as well as games against always tough emory and vwc and a solid rmc club...oh, and don't forget about the 3 games mu has already played against orv huntingdon...wow...tough sledding, starting with one of the toughest tests this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 03, 2011, 10:01:03 PM


               
2011 Pitching (so far)




  Team                       IP          Hits        Runs      ER        BB           K        K/G              HR            ERA 





Methodist               124        99          33        27        42         99        11            2        1.96
Shenandoah               75        74          30        21        19         65        7.22            4        2.52
CNU               98        112          50        44        39         98        10.89            10        4.04
Averett              121        127          81        58        52         77        8.55            7        4.31
Greensboro              114        113          93        64        75         97        10.78            3        5.05
NCWC                   112.2        141          91        73        51         94        10.43            5        5.83
Ferrum                 82        109          88        67        55         61        6.76            12        7.35


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 04, 2011, 11:00:17 AM
I have a question for the d3board guys revolving around SU. How are the players doing who had to replace Henry and Van Dusseldorp? I apologize for the spelling there, as I have no clue how I'd spell that. Both of those guys were top of the line players, the kind of players who are very, very tough to replace. From strictly looking at stats, although I am a big "stats don't tell it all" guy, it looks as if the new SS is picking up at the plate where Henry left off; although, without seeing him play, my initial reaction is that he can't possibly be as good at the plate as Henry.

The better question for Van Desseldorp may be how is the new DH doing, given that I see Nelson has replaced him at 3B?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 04, 2011, 11:03:57 AM
I don't know from an individual stand point but from a team stand point Shenandoah set new single season records for almost every offensive catagory last year and this year they are on pace to break almost all of them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 04, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 04, 2011, 11:00:17 AM
I have a question for the d3board guys revolving around SU. How are the players doing who had to replace Henry and Van Dusseldorp? I apologize for the spelling there, as I have no clue how I'd spell that. Both of those guys were top of the line players, the kind of players who are very, very tough to replace. From strictly looking at stats, although I am a big "stats don't tell it all" guy, it looks as if the new SS is picking up at the plate where Henry left off; although, without seeing him play, my initial reaction is that he can't possibly be as good at the plate as Henry.

The better question for Van Desseldorp may be how is the new DH doing, given that I see Nelson has replaced him at 3B?

Well, the Krout kid is the new SS and he's not too bad. He is only a Sophomore, good hands, good plate discipline and very smoooth in the field from the limited action i've seen him in (2 games). Kid DHing is usually Mike Smith who saw pretty significant time last spring in the OF and DH on numerous occasions(even in the postseason). They are both solid bats although i'd say they are not Henry or Duss...they are pretty solid ball players, many teams would gladly insert them into their own lineups!

In addition to the Smith kid, it looks like K.A. has been trying to work Sr. transfer and former 1st team all USAS OF Clint Dehaven into the lineup. If they can get that kid going he could also be a very productive guy for them and probably hit in the middle of their potent lineup....He's strugglin' early on with 9 k's in only 18 AB's but he's 4 for his last 9 with 3 doubles a HR and 3 RBI's in SU's last two games...He may be turning it on....if so, watch out cuz that guy can put up big numbers in a hurry, very good pop in his bat.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GallopingGhost80 on March 04, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
SU has some very strong corner guys through out their roster, they have a couple of freshmen at both spots that could start at alot of the USAC schools.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 04, 2011, 02:01:31 PM
Thanks for the info bossman.I remember Dehaven from when I played against him the year he was 1st Team All-USAS. He is a very good hitter. He's seems like a streaky hitter as well, so if he gets hot, then watch out.

The CNU v MU series has now been changed to a double header starting tomorrow at noon. Rain in the forecast has forced this schedule change.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 04, 2011, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 03, 2011, 07:10:32 PM
NCWC leaves Memphis, TN after letting 2 games get away vs Rhodes College.  Lost first game 6-5 on 3 unearned runs in the 9th inning.  SO RHP Jake Alexander pitched well enough to win.  Was expecting JR closer S. Flynn  to come out in 9th inning and shut the door but that never happened.  Botched play by JR 3B Boghossian in 9th lead to the lost.  SR OF D. Moore seems to be coming out of his season long slump (3-4, 1 R). SR 1B Z.Alexander had a good game too and may be coming out of his slump.  Team pounded 13 hits.

Lost second game 8-4 after being up 4-0...Starting pitcher Womble was left in too long although he was cruising until the 4th.  Pitchers JR S. Flynn, JR R. Costa and FR B. Longton had clean innings but the bad luck bug hit the bullpen again.  Offensively, SR OF D. Moore is on a roll with a 2-4 day and SR SS J. Rahm also went 2-4...Going to Winchester, VA for 2 vs. the No.4 Hornets...we are now 4-9 with another 2 games...at the USAS tough conference game...WOW!

Ouch
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: ilikebaseball on March 04, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
SU is looking strong, the bats have not slowed a bit, the pitching seems to be strong, the bull pen has not been tested. The game today against ncwc was not what I expected,  ncwc seems to be in a funk or is SU  really that good? The USAC is now a race between  CNU and SU unless MU makes a statement tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 04, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
SU POUNDS NC Wes today with almost no resistance....SU racks up 20 hits and only gives up 4. Van sickler imporved to 4-0 in his first 4 starts by going all 7 inning (Mercy rule) allowing 4 hits, fanning 7 bishops and not surrendering a walk (and he went 3-4 with 3 RBIs). As I stated in my last post about SU the two kids I said were pretty good showed up once again. Dehaven is making the most of his recent plate appearances as he hits another bomb today and went 2-4 with 3 RBIs. SS Krout hits his 3rd dinger(all in conf play) and finished 2-3 with 2 RBIs....SU looks good. NC wes, not soo much. Rough one today for the battlin bishops in Winchester. OUCH
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2011, 09:32:05 PM
Quote from: narch on March 03, 2011, 09:45:39 PM
i was just peeking at the upcoming monarch schedule along with the top 25 poll...mu has some tough games, going forward...2 vs. #25 cnu, 2 vs. #4 su, 2 vs. #23 salisbury and single games against #15 tufts and #21 keystone - this is in addition to the tough usasac schedule outside of cnu and su as well as games against always tough emory and vwc and a solid rmc club...oh, and don't forget about the 3 games mu has already played against orv huntingdon...wow...tough sledding, starting with one of the toughest tests this weekend

Hey Narch-you ever hear from the rmc coach?   :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 05, 2011, 12:26:41 PM
Shenandoah (15) NCW (0) 7innings.

1 thru 9, I am not sure who any opponent can target to get out.  The hornet's bats are not showing any ill effects of the new bats.

All I can say is looky there!

BTW, to all of those who want to say that SU over-recruits ... please inform me on how that is being done when there is NO scholarships? 

Is the coaching staff at SU holding the recruits hostage with a gun to their heads stating YOU must come here or we will shoot you?  Is that what they are doing in getting so many kids there?

OR

Is it really the success of a JV developmental program and the back to back World Series appearances selling the program with quality coaches filled with outstanding student-athletes?

Bottom-line folks, please quit stop making the comments about over recruiting because one YOU are making a false accusation that could potentially hold you liable for such untrue statements.  With that said, please be careful of what you post.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 05, 2011, 02:55:24 PM
CNU tops Methodist in a pitchers duel, 1-0.  Chitsaz was brilliant -- 3 hits, 10ks, 1 bb in 8 innings. Tre Britt was pretty darn good too.

D-Bat, I don't think anybody has said a word about SU's huge roster recently. D3 coaches absolutely DO recruit regardless of a lack of scholarships.  You're right -- if 60 guys want to compete for playing time at SU them more power to them.  It's a successful program.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 05, 2011, 04:38:24 PM
SU puts it on NC Wes again today as the bats stayed hot...20 runs on 21 hits and this one was never close either as much of Wesleyan's damage was done from the 7th inning on after SU had mounted an 18-4 lead. CF Brashears goes yard twice along with OF Dehaven. Everyone in the SU lineup had atleast one hit I believe. They're pretty impressive. NC Wesleyan appears to be a lil down this year compared to years past. Either way, SU is the real deal.....CNU and MU better bring their sticks when they meet up with the hornets.  8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 05, 2011, 05:03:35 PM
Seriously, who does one try to get out in that SU lineup?

There is another stud pitcher coming from SU, he was better than VanSickler in high school and he's probably going to make an appearance this up coming week.

Look out for the Bertschinger kid, he will add to SU's punch on the bump!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 05, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
Yea, SU is pounding the ball.  CNU shutout Methodist in game 2, 4-0.  Great job on the mound by Greg Goldsmith.  I wouldn't say they were pounding the ball but the pitching was excellent in both games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 05, 2011, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 05, 2011, 05:03:35 PM
Seriously, who does one try to get out in that SU lineup?

There is another stud pitcher coming from SU, he was better than VanSickler in high school and he's probably going to make an appearance this up coming week.

Look out for the Bertschinger kid, he will add to SU's punch on the bump!




As long as all goes well with berts elbow after TJ surgery! Lets hope so, I enjoy catching SU whip up on the rest of the USAS
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 05, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
two tough losses for the monarchs, but looks like anyone at the game got to see some really good pitching - if you had told me that mu would hold cnu to 5 runs in 2 games before the weekend, i would have taken that...of course, i would have thought that the monarchs might score a few runs of their own :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 05, 2011, 07:27:49 PM
Nice pitching CNU, great to see Sean pitching lights out, and to see lots of guys throwing well. 14 wins in a row, 20 consecutive scoreless innings, whew....not a bad start at all, but lots of season to go for everyone so whatever you guys are doing, continue please. 

   Let's hope Bertschinger is healthy and has a good outing-he's a nice kid and has been a very good pitcher when his arm health allowed. Lots of folks rooting for him...   If his health is good, and I hear he's been looking good, that will be a real plus arm for SU.

   D-Bat, lighten up a bit. I don't know who said SU had 60 players, I only counted 59.   Better file your slander suit and beat the crowd.    ;D 

     
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 05, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
Great weekend for CNU. Let's not forget, CNU gets SU down in Newport News this year; not in the cracker jack box in Winchester. Even with the new bats, it doesn't take much to fly one out of LF in Winchester. Regardless of who else is in the conference, I've got my money on CNU.

Congrats to Sean Chitaz on a wonderful performance, clearly making his argument for best pitcher in the conference. I don't think it's any doubt who the Top 2 in the conference are.

As far as another pitcher from SU, we will have to wait and see about that one. Yes, he was better than Van Sickler in high school; BUT, that was a loooong time ago, and a tommy john ago as well.

As for SU over-recruiting, it's obvious they do over-recruit, but you can't blame them. If 59 kids are willing to come, then bring them on in and let them fight for jv developmental team playing time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 05, 2011, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 05, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
Great weekend for CNU. Let's not forget, CNU gets SU down in Newport News this year; not in the cracker jack box in Winchester. Even with the new bats, it doesn't take much to fly one out of LF in Winchester. Regardless of who else is in the conference, I've got my money on CNU.

Congrats to Sean Chitaz on a wonderful performance, clearly making his argument for best pitcher in the conference. I don't think it's any doubt who the Top 2 in the conference are.

As far as another pitcher from SU, we will have to wait and see about that one. Yes, he was better than Van Sickler in high school; BUT, that was a loooong time ago, and a tommy john ago as well.

As for SU over-recruiting, it's obvious they do over-recruit, but you can't blame them. If 59 kids are willing to come, then bring them on in and let them fight for jv developmental team playing time.

Cracker jack box or not they're still putting up some big numbers....Pretty sure Ferrum's not a cracker jack box and they put 6 out on the hill there....and they're team average is sitting right around .400  8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 06, 2011, 04:24:54 PM
Looks like the MU/CNU series was the most well played series of the weekend.  Great pitching by both teams, and some good defense as well.  Great series for those that are old fashioned baseball fans.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfan58 on March 06, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
Nice to see Sean Chitaz (CNU) pitching like his old self again after TJ surgery. What a great comeback!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 06, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
Thanks to the weather related re-schedules got to see AU throttle NCWC.. I think the announcer went 3-4 for the day! They can hit but we will have to see as they run into more pitching. VanSICK is on his game.

Then off to NN to see the CNU vs MU game and meet up with some friends. Ok wow good games, the problem MU had was CNU came to play whether it meant pitching, defense or the big hit. MU brought some good pitching and it was a rough lost for both starters as they pitched well but no offense. CNU's pitching was very good, two starters who controlled the game well and then two different closers who came in and just struck people out. CNU did a good job on defense and did not make the mistakes on the base paths that MU did. But for everyone who was not there you missed two very good games. The only question now is who is the closer for CNU and who is the middle reliever or does it matter one is a lefty and the other a righty so nice to have that kind of flexibilty.

I will say that MU needs to get their offense going because they have quality starters we did not get to see much of their pull pen but there is some promise there. So lets go MU get on a roll.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 07, 2011, 02:17:53 PM
Almost mid way thru the NC Wesleyan season and we stand at 4-11...not good.  PSU Abington coming into Rocky Mount, NC wednesday for DH.  They are 1-6 so if we can't sweep these guys we might as well start playing some freshman and see if someone else can step up and hit.

Offense - Only 2 regulars (SS Rahm and C Clark) are hitting above .280...that's not going to get it done!  I still think 3B Freshman Jose Parra has a very good stick but needs more consistent playing time.

Defense - Fresh C. Powers needs to be at DH or 1B.  2B job still up for grabs...I like Fresh Sturtz there or JR A. Nichols.  3B is not hitting at all and OF feels like a new lineup out there every game.

Pitching - Webb and Knowles are only consistent starters although SU rough them up this weekend.  As of late SO Jake Alexander, FR Ben Longton, JR Roby Costa and SO CW Vought are only consistent arms coming off bullpen.  let's stop shuffling guys around and stick to some roles with the same players so we can get some consistency.

Up next PSU Abington...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2011, 08:27:40 AM
Quote from: ilikebaseball on March 04, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
SU is looking strong, the bats have not slowed a bit, the pitching seems to be strong, the bull pen has not been tested. The game today against ncwc was not what I expected,  ncwc seems to be in a funk or is SU  really that good? The USAC is now a race between  CNU and SU unless MU makes a statement tomorrow.

IMHO, it's a reflection on the development of the SU baseball program.  They are just keep reloading.  The last World Series appearances, I don't believe anyone saw that coming but for 2011, it's expected!

Their recipe for success = Quality coaching staff + Quality student-athletes attracts top notch recruits!  Pretty simple formula.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 08, 2011, 10:12:54 AM
As far as SU rising I think it is great for the USAS.  It makes another strong team to go along w/ traditional USAS teams in MU,NCW,CNU and FC which have all had a lot of regional appearances between them.  I hate to see them leave the USAS.  I am no particular fan of any one team but love to see a great baseball conference stay strong.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2011, 11:11:44 AM
Is this the last season for SU or is it the summer of 2012 when they go into the ODAC?

I don't expect baseball to have much probably making the transition but for men's basketball, men's lacrosse and football, the perception is that their trends will continue even more so unless more changes are made in house.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 08, 2011, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 08, 2011, 11:11:44 AM
Is this the last season for SU or is it the summer of 2012 when they go into the ODAC?

I don't expect baseball to have much probably making the transition but for men's basketball, men's lacrosse and football, the perception is that their trends will continue even more so unless more changes are made in house.

Don't quote me on this, but I am pretty positive this is their last year in the USAS...May be wrong?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 08, 2011, 12:13:22 PM
2012 will be the last season for SU in the USAS.  They go to the ODAC in July 2012.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on March 08, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
how can you take SU's website seriously when on the stats page, it says


"Sortable team stats
-total offense
-passing
-rushing
-more stats"



this is not football guys. Someone should tell the communications director or something
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 08, 2011, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: cnu13 on March 08, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
how can you take SU's website seriously when on the stats page, it says


"Sortable team stats
-total offense
-passing
-rushing
-more stats"



this is not football guys. Someone should tell the communications director or something

They must be the same people that do the USA South page as it does the same thing for baseball stats.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 08, 2011, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 08, 2011, 12:46:44 PM
Quote from: cnu13 on March 08, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
how can you take SU's website seriously when on the stats page, it says


"Sortable team stats
-total offense
-passing
-rushing
-more stats"



this is not football guys. Someone should tell the communications director or something

They must be the same people that do the USA South page as it does the same thing for baseball stats.

As much of an inconvenience as it may be....take your mouse and hover over the hyperlink that say "Shenandoah" in the lower right hand corner, then click on it and it'll take you to all the sortable baseball stats your lil heart desires...  8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 08, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
CNU jumps up to #14 in the poll.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2011, 09:19:20 PM
mu wins 22-1 today vs. penn state abington - 13 position players played, and all but one got a hit - frosh bialy and decarolis pitched 8 innings and gave up just 4 hits while soph berry pitched a perfect 9th

i would have preferred that the monarchs scored just 15 runs today, and scored the other 7 over the weekend :)

the monarchs get swarthmore in myrtle beach on wednesday before coming home to face #21 keystone - according to their season preview (http://www.gokcgiants.com/news/2011/3/4/BB_0304115118.aspx), keystone is LOADED with juco and scholarship program transfers...looks more like the mount olive college roster than a d3 roster
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 09, 2011, 08:10:03 AM
Looks like MU, and CNU had pretty easy days as both teams scored plenty and gave up few.  CNU is on a pretty good run of fifteen straight now, and seems to really be clicking.  Looks like MU got some of that offense they needed last weekend vs CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 09, 2011, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 07, 2011, 02:17:53 PM
Almost mid way thru the NC Wesleyan season and we stand at 4-11...not good.  PSU Abington coming into Rocky Mount, NC wednesday for DH.  They are 1-6 so if we can't sweep these guys we might as well start playing some freshman and see if someone else can step up and hit.

Offense - Only 2 regulars (SS Rahm and C Clark) are hitting above .280...that's not going to get it done!  I still think 3B Freshman Jose Parra has a very good stick but needs more consistent playing time.

Defense - Fresh C. Powers needs to be at DH or 1B.  2B job still up for grabs...I like Fresh Sturtz there or JR A. Nichols.  3B is not hitting at all and OF feels like a new lineup out there every game.

Pitching - Webb and Knowles are only consistent starters although SU rough them up this weekend.  As of late SO Jake Alexander, FR Ben Longton, JR Roby Costa and SO CW Vought are only consistent arms coming off bullpen.  let's stop shuffling guys around and stick to some roles with the same players so we can get some consistency.

Up next PSU Abington...


You are 100% correct! In many years of watching NCWC baseball I have never seen Coach Long change the line up every game. He has always determined the best line up and started them every game. This year it's been like the players are playing musical chairs, nobody knows who's going to start and what position they will play and in a lot of games players are playing out of their position; especially Powers as he has no business in the outfield or at second base. The players do not know their roles and what to expect from day-to-day and is one big shuffled up mess for the Bishops up to this point. I know for a fact that the players are very frustrated with what's been going on with the constant lineup changes. The defense has been very subpar with a ton of mistakes not showing up in the box score as errors. The offense is struggling mightily due to poor approaches at the plate. As you stated, set up line up and let them play every game and find some consistency. Things need to turnaround very quickly or this will be the worst season for NCWC in many years.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2011, 12:28:28 PM
i have a feeling that the bishops might get some things worked out today...psu abington is very bad

i also think that coach long will figure things out and by the end of the year, ncwc will be playing the kind of baseball we are all accustomed to, although it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they had a horrible year :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2011, 08:33:21 PM
mu pounds out 16 runs on 18 hits and wins 16-2 vs. swat - frosh dustin brown was the offensive star, going 4-5 with 3 rbi - such got another hr and lancaster had 2 sb's - 14 monarch position players got at-bats and 3 frosh combined to throw 8 innings, with lee getting the win for 5 innings of shutout ball

bigger test for mu thursday with keystone coming to town
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 10, 2011, 02:40:11 PM
NCWC gets 2 wins vs very bad PSU-Abington team by 4-2 and 7-0 on (2) 7 inning games.  Looks like 1B Zach Alexander and 3B Jose Parra are starting to get going to join C Tyler Clark and SS Justin Rahm on the offense.  Pitching wise, SOPH Jake Alexander had another good game on the mound while SOPH Jimmy Martin threw a complete game shutout...6-11 and Rowan coming into town Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 10, 2011, 09:52:06 PM
mu wins its third straight, beating #21 keystone 9-1 - the monarchs jumped out on keystone ace jeff frost - thigpen went 4-4 and frosh  judge pitched a gem, going 6 innings giving up 5 hits and collecting 5 k's...that's a big performance from a young arm against a strong team...keystone was one of the best offensive teams in the country last year, and even though this was their 1st game and the monarchs 19th, it was their ace vs. a freshman making his 5th collegiate start
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the South on March 12, 2011, 07:19:39 PM
Looks like Shenandoah had a massive victory over Greensboro College.  As a fan of the South Region I must say that the two power houses in my opinion have to be Christopher Newport and Shenandoah.  Very excited to see the outcome of these two teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 12, 2011, 07:33:24 PM
Boy I agree w/ fan of the south.  Both teams playing great, and believe they are a combined 30-1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 12, 2011, 08:40:41 PM
live stats show MU up 2-0 over AU in 4th.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 12, 2011, 10:15:53 PM
mu improves to 14-6 with a 4-0 win vs. averett - britt went 8 ip - thigpen is on a bit of a tear, and got another hr and 2 rbi's - team era stands at 1.79 after 20 games...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the South on March 13, 2011, 09:18:47 AM
good luck to the teams today.  Be aware of the possible upsets today that could occur. Greensboro playing good ball coming off of a massive loss vs. Shenandoah  This past weekend had their first sweep in a while. Ferrum as well playing solid ball could bounce back against Christopher Newport and the last one in my eyes would be the game against Averett and Methodist.  Methodist playing well but it will be hard to lose four in a row against conference teams.  Expect Averett to be on point today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 13, 2011, 06:37:56 PM
Well SU and CNU stayed unbeaten in conference.  Now both 6-0.  AU gets big 9-5 win down at MU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC#1 on March 13, 2011, 11:12:42 PM
saturday was a good day at Baur Field as the bishops split a pair against Rowan. Max Knowles(Sr) threw well at the bats were finally behind him. Andrew Webb(Sr) aslo threw well, as once again the bats got cold becuase of line up changes after a win. Now usually if they win a game you should stick with what got you the win. Zach Alexander(Sr) and Andre Nichols (Jr) hit there first HR of the season. Justin Rahm(Sr) and Tyler Clark(So) were also a helping hand. The first game was a little shaky at the end as "closer" Shane Flynn (Jr) had another rough outing. Ben Longton(Fr) came in and got the job done. Second game was up for grabs all the way till the end as an error scored two runs. the bishops are on there way to the baseball they are capable of playing. Look out USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 15, 2011, 09:27:24 AM
I don't know about you guys, but i'm anxious to see if the voters give the USAS 2 top five teams like I think they should....Think CNU sneaks into the top 5 alongside SU??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 15, 2011, 10:25:13 AM
Hope they do reward the USAS.  But I think that CNU will probably get into the top ten.  Not that I don't think they may deserve it, but that they came from so far through the pole since the start of the season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 15, 2011, 10:41:57 AM
Shenandoah is #2 and CNU is #9. It is very nice to see the USA South so well represented in the Polls.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 15, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Almost got two into the top 5. CNU will be there next week if they can get thru another week unscratched. Hope so...Would be nice to see a top 5 or top ten showdown between SU and CNU in a few weeks.

8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 15, 2011, 07:00:34 PM
Wow big wins for Shenandoah and CNU today, both came from behind very late in their games and won! Shenandoah in extras on a walk off (? watching live stats) Good job to both schools. Methodist won a USA South ODAC conflict big. Averett beat New England Col big. People are going to stop playing the USA South!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 15, 2011, 08:53:05 PM
mu over vwc 9-1...frosh judge goes 7 innings with 0 er...he gave up a lot of hits early, but worked out of a couple of jams - inghram hit a two run bomb in the 2nd and mu exploded for 7 runs in the 7th - the monarchs are now 15-7 on the season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 15, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
Sophomore catcher Keaton Neeb has a two out RBI single to tie it at 7-7 in the bottom 7th then blasts a Walk-Off to win it to lead off the 10th...SU was down 4-0 after one and 6-1 going into the fourth. Great win...Oh, and SU threw their #4.....Just saying.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 15, 2011, 10:50:27 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 15, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
Sophomore catcher Keaton Neeb has a two out RBI single to tie it at 7-7 in the bottom 7th then blasts a Walk-Off to win it to lead off the 10th...SU was down 4-0 after one and 6-1 going into the fourth. Great win...Oh, and SU threw their #4.....Just saying.

The Goddard kid is a tough little competitor.  If SU plays a little defensive in the 1st inning after getting two quick outs, Salisbury would of been held scoreless vs. being up 4 after 1st half of the first.

I left when it was 4 to 1 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 16, 2011, 07:45:23 AM
Good win yesterday for the Captains. In their first, or second, true test of having to fight back, they came through when they needed too. As usual, the offense stays hot and the pitching was again solid. It's nice to see so many arms having a good year for CNU, as it's always a relief with SP's know they only need to go a solid 6 IP and then can turn it over to a solid bullpen. Verdillo, Fleishman, and Lindsey all having great seasons out of then pen, and all are only sophomores.

Chitsaz, Vernon, and the leadership of Medina will be hard to replace after this year; but I look for this team to be strong well beyond this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 16, 2011, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 15, 2011, 10:50:27 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 15, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
Sophomore catcher Keaton Neeb has a two out RBI single to tie it at 7-7 in the bottom 7th then blasts a Walk-Off to win it to lead off the 10th...SU was down 4-0 after one and 6-1 going into the fourth. Great win...Oh, and SU threw their #4.....Just saying.

The Goddard kid is a tough little competitor.  If SU plays a little defensive in the 1st inning after getting two quick outs, Salisbury would of been held scoreless vs. being up 4 after 1st half of the first.

I left when it was 4 to 1 in the 3rd.

Yeah, SU played pretty sloppy yesterday to say the least. But, winning is what they do and good teams pull out the W's even when they play sub-par ball. Great win for them and how about the Neeb kid (only a sophomore) stepping up with two huge hits yesterday. Tying it up in the 7th with 2 down then going Yah-yah to win it in the 10th! Wow
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 16, 2011, 09:47:06 AM
Good comebacks for SU and CNU. Thats what good teams do. They fight to the last out. CNU is also first team in country to 20 wins I believe.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2011, 09:48:23 AM
Boss man you are 100% correct, good teams fight back and find ways to win. Both Shenandoah and CNU did that yesterday and it will help both teams in the long run as it will show them more about their make up and how they can fight their way back. And yes wish I was there to see a walk off!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
I am waiting for the CNU - Platteville stats to be updated on the USA South site then going to do some stats but wondering

1. Best batting line up
2. Best Defense
3. Best starting pitching
4. best bull pen
5. best closer

Anyone have thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 16, 2011, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
I am waiting for the CNU - Platteville stats to be updated on the USA South site then going to do some stats but wondering

1. Best batting line up
2. Best Defense
3. Best starting pitching
4. best bull pen
5. best closer

Anyone have thoughts?


Based on early season stats....

1) SU
2) ehh, toss up
3) Chitzaz(Spelling),  Van Sickler, CNU's other starter
4) CNU
5) Scallion (SU) 8.2 IP 2 hits 1 ER....Team Ave against is like .0000005 lol
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on March 16, 2011, 10:46:03 AM
1. SU
2. If you go by the numbers its Methodist. However, some teams have terrile playing surfaces that increase the number of errors.
3. Van Sickler is by far the best starting pitcher. He can throw all three pitches for strikes and paints the corners of the plate.
4. CNU
5. Scallion......When he gets the ball with the lead.....Game Over!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2011, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
I am waiting for the CNU - Platteville stats to be updated on the USA South site then going to do some stats but wondering

1. Best batting line up
2. Best Defense
3. Best starting pitching
4. best bull pen
5. best closer

Anyone have thoughts?
i would caution against looking at stats TOO much, as everyone has played different teams...conference-only stats are really the only way to answer these questions, but there isn't a large enough sample of games right now...that being said, i'll take a stab at these

1. clearly su...they lead the conference in almost every offensive metric (ba, slg%, obp, runs/game, hits/game, rbi/game, hr/game) – a lot of that has to do with the park they play in, but they're a good offensive team if they played in the grand canyon
2. fielding % would tell you mu...but look deeper...the monarchs also allow the 2nd fewest doubles/game, which tells me that their of's are keeping the ball in front of them and the pitchers are keeping the ball out of the air – mu has also fielded more double plays/game than any other team in the league and thrown out more base-stealers per game than any other team – like su leads most metrics in offensive stats, the monarchs are also leading in most defensive metrics
3. the numbers say MU (era, baa, whip), but let's see what this weekend brings :) - if the monarch pitching can keep the su bats in check enough to give mu a chance to win, i'll say they might have the best staff...best individual pitcher is between van sickler, chitsaz and britt in my mind...let's see how the season plays out
4. ? – too much of a moving target...in a tight, must-win game, that 3rd or 4th starter might pitch in relief – pitching roles on this level aren't as rigidly defined as they are on the minor league or big league level
5. looking at the numbers, i'd say the verdillo kid from cnu is having a nice start...lots of k's, which i like out of a closer, and a sub .200 baa – scallion has a .083 baa, but he won't be needed often to close out games :) - austin uses rusty white a lot, and he's got 14 k's in 17 ip but his .270 baa is worrisome as a monarch fan – lots of good candidates
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2011, 03:30:33 PM
Narch, I agree and did conference only and it is funny because Fleishman is the closer for CNU and Veridillo is setup by the game logs. But they can be swapped as Verdillo has more Ks but Fleischmann has 0 hits. Scallion is in a funny place because he will not get many chances but you know you can count on him when needed.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2011, 09:40:22 PM
mu defeats the former beaver college 5-3 today to improve to 16-7 on the year...4 frosh pitched 8 innings of 5 hit ball with 9 k's - after i praised him earlier today, white pitched an inning, giving up 2 hits and 2 er's in the 9th

younger and quick each had multi-hit games...maybe a couple of hits today will break younger out of his slump

3 knights were caught stealing by the monarchs today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 16, 2011, 09:41:08 PM
For all you stat lovers.  The USAS site now has both stat forms.  That is the old style and the new.  All you have to do is go to baseball, and click on statistics, and then you can choose between the old style or the new.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WMSBRGFan on March 16, 2011, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
I am waiting for the CNU - Platteville stats to be updated on the USA South site then going to do some stats but wondering

1. Best batting line up
2. Best Defense
3. Best starting pitching
4. best bull pen
5. best closer

Anyone have thoughts?

Here are my thoughts
1. SU - CNU (3 weeks we will find out)
2. MU
3. CNU - 1-5 getting it done - it is not all about your number 1 it is about your entire staff and CHitsay may be best in conference but is close
4. CNU period
5. Fleischmann or Veridillo which ever Harvell wants to use - Look at the conference stats if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 17, 2011, 07:19:12 AM
My sources within the USAS state that 1 thru 9, CNU is better but SU plays the game much better.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 17, 2011, 07:55:19 AM
CNU wins another weekday, road game with a 13-3 victory at H-SC. Freshman Bierlein goes 7 IP and gives up 0 ER's. 6 of the 9 starters have multi-hit games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 08:41:09 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 17, 2011, 07:19:12 AM
My sources within the USAS state that 1 thru 9, CNU is better but SU plays the game much better.

You can attribute that to K.A. himself! Best coach I've ever been around...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on March 17, 2011, 11:27:03 AM
I agree. He knows the game inside and out. He knows more about the game than anyone I have ever met and he rubs off on his players. Alot of Players come in there freshman year lacking "baseball savy" and by the first game of the season they will have the mental part of the game down. The man is a great teacher and demands that the game be played one way. He treats the worst player in the program the same as the best player in the program.

Finally, He is a great motivator. He knows how to get the best out of his players. I know the speech last year at the conference tourny after we had lost the first game on sunday to CNU sure got us PUMPED for game 2.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on March 17, 2011, 11:27:03 AM
I agree. He knows the game inside and out. He knows more about the game than anyone I have ever met and he rubs off on his players. Alot of Players come in there freshman year lacking "baseball savy" and by the first game of the season they will have the mental part of the game down. The man is a great teacher and demands that the game be played one way. He treats the worst player in the program the same as the best player in the program.

Finally, He is a great motivator. He knows how to get the best out of his players. I know the speech last year at the conference tourny after we had lost the first game on sunday to CNU sure got us PUMPED for game 2.

Would have to agree with ya on all the above, with the exception being I wasnt in the pregame pep-talk! The guy's a genious...he taught me things on the baseball field that I would have never thought about on my own. He really expects his baseball players to not only be good players, but to be students of the game. He preaches that as much as he does the physical/athletic aspect of the game as well.  Great all around guy!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 17, 2011, 01:04:31 PM
Well I see everyone at SU seems to admire the head coach.  Looking back it seems that SU really didn't do the things they do today.  Like hitting the crap out of the ball until they got themselves a good assistant.  I think his last name is Cameron.  So I think we shouldn't always be so quick to give the head coach all the glory.  Most are only as good as the assistant coaches.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 17, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Looking at Shenandoah's roster, they carry 49 players. How many travel with their varsity and how many are strictly JV? As for the JV games, who do they play? Local JCs or do they play other JV teams in the area?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on March 17, 2011, 01:04:31 PM
Well I see everyone at SU seems to admire the head coach.  Looking back it seems that SU really didn't do the things they do today.  Like hitting the crap out of the ball until they got themselves a good assistant.  I think his last name is Cameron.  So I think we shouldn't always be so quick to give the head coach all the glory.  Most are only as good as the assistant coaches.
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No one here is giving K.A. all the credit for their success...I know I'm simply stating he's a genious when it comes to the game itself. And unless you've actually played for him you wouldnt know that and you wouldn't know exactly who runs the show at SU. Although I don't doubt Cameron knows his stuff as well (Heck he was a D1 coach before for a reason) and I mean no disrespect to him or the rest of the staff at SU...but K.A. knows a thing or two about hitting in his own respect. Personally I believe Cameron coming in allowed Anderson to work closer with what he's most comfortable with  (Defense and Pitching). But, in no way shape or form am I saying he's doing it all on his own. He's also got a few others that have either played for him and know what he wants or they've played at a top notch D1 program (UVA). SU's allowed Anderson to build a pretty impressive staff of high baseball knowledge guys and they play a pretty impressive brand of baseball in Winchester. It's good to be able to catch an area game that's actually worth watching, that's all.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 17, 2011, 02:02:26 PM
BigPoppa: SU carries 59 players on their roster.  I don't know how many they travel -- probably only half that number.  But the JV plays fairly local junior colleges (who can have pretty impressive baseball teams in their own right).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 17, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Looking at Shenandoah's roster, they carry 49 players. How many travel with their varsity and how many are strictly JV? As for the JV games, who do they play? Local JCs or do they play other JV teams in the area?



They play Potomac State out of WV and another JUCO or two along with whoever else they have on their Varsity schedule that also has a JV (almost exclusively Non-Conf foes)....I know when I caught the King's College Varsity game earlier this year, SU had a JV game going on at the same time and I wanna say it was King's JV (don't quote me on that though).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
SU getting throttled by Bridgewater College 9-1 after 2 complete....ouch!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on March 17, 2011, 04:34:35 PM
Lets see if they can chip away at this lead going into the middle third. BC had 8 hits in a row in the 2nd inning.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 17, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
SU getting throttled by Bridgewater College 9-1 after 2 complete....ouch!

12-8 BC over SU after 6 complete...Either the wind is blowing out or both teams are squaring em' up, 7 combined HR's thru the 6th.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 17, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 17, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
SU getting throttled by Bridgewater College 9-1 after 2 complete....ouch!

12-8 BC over SU after 6 complete...Either the wind is blowing out or both teams are squaring em' up, 7 combined HR's thru the 6th.

Ha, WOW....Shenadoah does it in walk-off fashion again....3B C. Nelson gives the hornets the win with an RBI single thru the left side with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth. Great win for SU, down 9-1 after two and they claw back to get the W. Pitching appears to have been roughed up until K.A. brought in his horses that he relies on in big time games. Once again they come thru and remain undefeated. Best team in the south.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 06:58:30 PM
Bossman, yes good win for Shenandoah today but this game did more to hurt your argument then help it. SU can flat out hit the ball but they have two conference series coming up where this would not happen. Bridgewater appeared to throw a new pitcher every inning and not go with any of the main starters till the end and SU pitching was far from good. Scallion did a good job and deserved the win but he was not his sharpest either. But your closer is around to get outs and he did that. Good job! Do you think that if you spot Methodist or CNU 12 runs you are coming back like that? Don't think so. So SU should stop worry about being called the best in the south and start to work on their pitching because you won't get where you want to be giving up 12.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 17, 2011, 08:19:03 PM
Caught this game today.  Bridgewater swung it early and often to build a 9 to 1 lead.

My question for the Bridgewater coaching staff ... you have runners on 1st and 2nd with 1out? and did some type of hit and run or steal and get the guy thrown out at 3rd base by 10 feet.  Still scratching my head on that one.

In the bottom of the 9th, SU has runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1st base open, 1-out and SU's #11 up at the plate, why didn't you put him on 1st base with IBB?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 17, 2011, 08:42:43 PM
One thing for sure arm chair coaches are never wrong.  It's nice to be a fan isn't it.  That's why we can say anything and never be wrong.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 08:58:37 PM
Rolln - Amen I am the best coach I know and I have never been wrong after the fact!  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
My earlier post may have seemed harsh, I did not mean it that way it was a good win by Shenandoah but what I would like to see is as many teams for the USA SOuth ranked and in the mix at the end so to all teams let get busy. Methodist you are moving up keep up the good work. CNU and Shenandoah need to continue to be as good as they have let see if we can get 3 teams ranked!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 09:36:38 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
My earlier post may have seemed harsh, I did not mean it that way it was a good win by Shenandoah but what I would like to see is as many teams for the USA SOuth ranked and in the mix at the end so to all teams let get busy. Methodist you are moving up keep up the good work. CNU and Shenandoah need to continue to be as good as they have let see if we can get 3 teams ranked!

You guys are awfully funny, reminds me of Batman(boysofsummer) and Robin(rolln2) kinda thing you guys have going for ya.....but if you think SU's gonna spot any conference team 12 runs with Van Sickler on the bump YOU guys are the ones that need to think again. Like I said earlier this spring, glad to see everyone in the USAS stepping up and playing good ball again. We'll see you guys the first weekend in April, we'll see which team really is the best team in the south.  :D. I'm pretty sure I can make these claims until someone takes that title from SU, correct? And rollin'....it's easy to sit back and be the side kick, all you gotta do is chirp in when your buddy says something that you find clever. Whatever works though, I'll leave the CNU/SU trash talk alone until after we meet! Later boys
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
Hey Bossman don't get mad, just saying the SU needs to stay hungry is all. They are a good team no doubt so don't rest now USA South needs to make sure everyone knows they are the best conference in all of NCAA. SU is the current champs so yes they have the crown right now and someone will need to knock it off. As for the CNU vs SU game,, well if you are east of the mississipi river you should be there as I think it will be a classic duel. And I don't think VanSickler would spot the Yankees 12..
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 17, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
Hey Bossman don't get mad, just saying the SU needs to stay hungry is all. They are a good team no doubt so don't rest now USA South needs to make sure everyone knows they are the best conference in all of NCAA. SU is the current champs so yes they have the crown right now and someone will need to knock it off. As for the CNU vs SU game,, well if you are east of the mississipi river you should be there as I think it will be a classic duel. And I don't think VanSickler would spot the Yankees 12..

Just voicing my opinion bud, it is what it is...no hard feelings. Had to take a stab at you guys, you know!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 17, 2011, 09:57:42 PM
hey I welcome it. Be proud be loud or go home! I am a proud fan of the USA South and love the fact that there are teams playing this well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 17, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on March 17, 2011, 11:27:03 AM
I agree. He knows the game inside and out. He knows more about the game than anyone I have ever met and he rubs off on his players. Alot of Players come in there freshman year lacking "baseball savy" and by the first game of the season they will have the mental part of the game down. The man is a great teacher and demands that the game be played one way. He treats the worst player in the program the same as the best player in the program.

Finally, He is a great motivator. He knows how to get the best out of his players. I know the speech last year at the conference tourny after we had lost the first game on sunday to CNU sure got us PUMPED for game 2.

Would have to agree with ya on all the above, with the exception being I wasnt in the pregame pep-talk! The guy's a genious...he taught me things on the baseball field that I would have never thought about on my own. He really expects his baseball players to not only be good players, but to be students of the game. He preaches that as much as he does the physical/athletic aspect of the game as well.  Great all around guy!
ka a genius?  Nobody in the game of [baseball] should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein.

seriously, though...if you're an su fan or former su player, i would expect you to be proud of your coach and coaching staff, but there are a number of really good coaches and coaching staffs in the usasac...kinda hard to say which one is the best

i lean more toward tom austin than kevin anderson - austin has 13 conference championships in 31 seasons, while kevin anderson is sitting at 0 conference championships in 8 years right now...austin's teams have won 39 or more games 4 times in 31 years, while anderson has yet to eclipse that mark - tom austin teams have won fewer than 25 games just once in his tenure, while su teams have eclipsed 25 wins only 3 times in the kevin anderson era - including this season, tom austin has a career .705 winning % vs. kevin anderson's .659 (and let's face it, until this year, su wasn't exactly known for scheduling a who's who of regional or national powerhouses and the monarch schedule routinely includes some of the best teams in the region/country) – i haven't crunched numbers for other usasac coaches, but charlie long at ncwc has something no other usasac coach has, and that's a national championship ring...harvell has been at cnu for one year longer than anderson has been at su, and has a higher winning % and has finished 2nd and 3rd in the world series

don't get me wrong...i like kevin anderson as a coach, and his hornet teams are on an incredible three year run which could culminate in a pretty special year this year, but before we get too hyperbolic, let's put what he has accomplished in proper perspective
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 18, 2011, 05:39:06 AM
Narch, Good perspective. Tom Austin has an amazing record, and, speaking as a father of an opposing player, he's an awfully nice guy. A few years ago, during the USAS Tourny, he plopped down and just shot the baseball breeze with some CNU dads for quite a while-very impressive man.  Coach Anderson has done a wonderful job turning around Shenandoah from a perennial doormat to a very strong program, and his teams play very good baseball. They hold the crown.   He's an awfully good "in game" coach and certainly knows and teaches the game.  Personally, I kind of like the job Coach Harvell has done at CNU-very different style, he's pretty laid back, definitely doesn't blast the vocals like KA is able to do occasionally,  but his players are comfortable and enjoy playing for him, team chemistry is always good, and CNU is at or near the top of the USAS every single year.  It's not by accident.   Of course coaches always look better when they can attract top talent, and all three coaches mentioned have done that.   MU and CNU have much longer track records of success, but SU is on top now until they get knocked off-which I hope happens in April, in Newport News.    :)   It should be a great weekend series for the USAS and for D III baseball. Shenandoah travels well and they have vocal fans, and CNU should have quite a crowd-and hopefully the women's basketball team will be walking around the place with a national title by then (they're in the final 4 this weekend.)

p.s. I think Van Sickler is a pure stud, on the mound and at the plate, and expect to see him drafted come June, but yes, he would give up 12 to the Yankees, as would just about any pitcher in the conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 18, 2011, 07:34:10 AM
I agree with Narch, and HokieOne as well. I'm sure me agreeing w/ HokieOne comes as no surprise  :D. Taking CNU out of it, because obviously I have personal bias towards the Captains, I give my hat to Austin as a coach. It's impossible not to respect the man. Year in and year out, his teams are flat fundamentally sound, including all "small ball" aspects of the game. I easily remember one year when they just small balled us straight to a loss.

Good comeback win for SU; however, it certainly does raise some concerns. When you put Van Sickler v Chitaz on the hill, you've got two very, very good pitchers; an even matchup. However, when the Sunday game rolls around, CNU does not loss anything between their #1 to #2 starter (Goldsmith), whereas as SU clearly, clearly does. After Van Sickler, the lowest ERA on SU's staff by anyone who has a start is 4.85. CNU has 3 guys after Chitaz with an ERA under 3.20. I'm not saying this is going to be the difference, but it is certainly something to note.


My Captains have 1 more today against Wisconsion-Platteville, then head to NCWC for the weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 18, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
Narch, I won't even bother replying to anything else you say after this post until you stop taking everything I say out of context. Not ONCE, did I ever say KA was the best coach in the conference and not ONCE did I say he has a better track record than the coaches you have stated....I was simply stating he knows the game of baseball like no other coach I had ever played for! So, unless you just have it out for me or KA, I dont know why you take offense to what you've quoted of mine...   ::) :o
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 18, 2011, 10:11:11 AM
It can be solved pretty simply: Harvell, Austin, Anderson, and Long are all very, very good coaches that product quality clubs year in and year...and I think everyone agrees with that.  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 18, 2011, 10:45:01 AM
I'm glad HokieOne snuck in a little plug for the CNU Women's basketball team.  Final four tonight vs. Amherst!

Go Captains.

Alright, back to baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 18, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
Narch, I won't even bother replying to anything else you say after this post until you stop taking everything I say out of context. Not ONCE, did I ever say KA was the best coach in the conference and not ONCE did I say he has a better track record than the coaches you have stated....I was simply stating he knows the game of baseball like no other coach I had ever played for! So, unless you just have it out for me or KA, I dont know why you take offense to what you've quoted of mine...   ::) :o
i took nothing you said out of context...in fact, by directly quoting you (and Back2Back!), i ensured that the original context remained wholly intact - i simply thought this board was turning into too much of a "KA love-fest" and needed some green and gold perspective - words like "genius" and "best-ever" were being thrown around, and tom austin's name wasn't attached in any way to those statements - i wanted to make certain that it was :)

there was no malice toward you or coach anderson intended...i have nothing against you, kevin anderson (he seems like a pretty good guy, to me...i observed him interacting with lots of folks at the regional last year and i was impressed) or su, for that matter – i think that you may have inferred a tone which was not the aim of my post

...and i could not care less if you reply to anything i post (this is meant in the nicest way possible...which emoticon should i use for that?)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
to bring the chelsie schweers captains discussion fully to baseball...she graduated from hickory high...alma mater of such notable baseball players as david wright and brian inghram :)

she's garnered a lot of publicity for cnu...espn news was showing video highlights of her exploits a few weeks ago in addition to the coverage she has in this week's issue of SI
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 18, 2011, 02:55:11 PM
After watching her play numerous times, she is one of the most talented players I've seen, male or female. There are not many shots she puts up that do not go in. In fact, I've watched her play on numerous occasions and thought she should shoot even more than she did.

On a baseball note, CNU up 4-0 after 2.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 18, 2011, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: narch on March 18, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 18, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
Narch, I won't even bother replying to anything else you say after this post until you stop taking everything I say out of context. Not ONCE, did I ever say KA was the best coach in the conference and not ONCE did I say he has a better track record than the coaches you have stated....I was simply stating he knows the game of baseball like no other coach I had ever played for! So, unless you just have it out for me or KA, I dont know why you take offense to what you've quoted of mine...   ::) :o
i took nothing you said out of context...in fact, by directly quoting you (and Back2Back!), i ensured that the original context remained wholly intact - i simply thought this board was turning into too much of a "KA love-fest" and needed some green and gold perspective - words like "genius" and "best-ever" were being thrown around, and tom austin's name wasn't attached in any way to those statements - i wanted to make certain that it was :)

there was no malice toward you or coach anderson intended...i have nothing against you, kevin anderson (he seems like a pretty good guy, to me...i observed him interacting with lots of folks at the regional last year and i was impressed) or su, for that matter – i think that you may have inferred a tone which was not the aim of my post

...and i could not care less if you reply to anything i post (this is meant in the nicest way possible...which emoticon should i use for that?)

And once again Narch you obviously aren't reading the same posts between back2back and myself....I said, "He's (KA) the best coach I had ever played for"........I did say he was a genius though...nothing wrong with that, obviously I was just overstating how good of a coach he is. (Use whichever Emoticon you'd like..... Here's one ya may enjoy....  :-* )
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 18, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
I'm not sure this board will handle my preferred emoticons, but I do appreciate Narch's perspective on Methodist. Re: Chelsea Schweers and Hickory High: I knew that David Wright was from Chesapeake but did not know those two players went to Hickory High.

Time to fire up the live stats.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2011, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 17, 2011, 08:41:09 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 17, 2011, 07:19:12 AM
My sources within the USAS state that 1 thru 9, CNU is better but SU plays the game much better.

You can attribute that to K.A. himself! Best coach I've ever been around...
i'm just sayin'.... :-*
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 18, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on March 17, 2011, 08:42:43 PM
One thing for sure arm chair coaches are never wrong.  It's nice to be a fan isn't it.  That's why we can say anything and never be wrong.

Sorry, but I was at the game and could not believe what I witnessed, no arm chairing at all.  I was like what is Bridgewater doing???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 18, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
I just consider myself Lucky to have played for Coach Fox his last year at NCWC and be part of Coach Long's National Championship team.  You have to put Austin in that conversation of best coaches in the conference and Harvill and Anderson are just bit behind the both of them.  But the USAC/Dixie has had a lot of great coaches. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 19, 2011, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: hokieone on March 18, 2011, 05:39:06 AM
Narch, Good perspective. Tom Austin has an amazing record, and, speaking as a father of an opposing player, he's an awfully nice guy. A few years ago, during the USAS Tourny, he plopped down and just shot the baseball breeze with some CNU dads for quite a while-very impressive man.  Coach Anderson has done a wonderful job turning around Shenandoah from a perennial doormat to a very strong program, and his teams play very good baseball. They hold the crown.   He's an awfully good "in game" coach and certainly knows and teaches the game.  Personally, I kind of like the job Coach Harvell has done at CNU-very different style, he's pretty laid back, definitely doesn't blast the vocals like KA is able to do occasionally,  but his players are comfortable and enjoy playing for him, team chemistry is always good, and CNU is at or near the top of the USAS every single year.  It's not by accident.   Of course coaches always look better when they can attract top talent, and all three coaches mentioned have done that.   MU and CNU have much longer track records of success, but SU is on top now until they get knocked off-which I hope happens in April, in Newport News.    :)   It should be a great weekend series for the USAS and for D III baseball. Shenandoah travels well and they have vocal fans, and CNU should have quite a crowd-and hopefully the women's basketball team will be walking around the place with a national title by then (they're in the final 4 this weekend.)

p.s. I think Van Sickler is a pure stud, on the mound and at the plate, and expect to see him drafted come June, but yes, he would give up 12 to the Yankees, as would just about any pitcher in the conference.

Seriously, who could not win at CNU?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
CNU is a much better team than SU specially because CNU does not have to cheat to win. I know for a fact that SU heats there bats inside there small, team covered dugouts. CNU is a natural pure talented team. NCWC is second best in the conference. Record might not say so bu the past does.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
to Narch. Van Sickler is not MLB material. if he was that good he would not be playing DIII baseball. He throws 87 tops which any MLB player would take out of the ball park and he cannot hit 90+ hitting. NO way do i see him playing pro ball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 19, 2011, 07:45:57 PM
Quote from: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
to Narch. Van Sickler is not MLB material. if he was that good he would not be playing DIII baseball. He throws 87 tops which any MLB player would take out of the ball park and he cannot hit 90+ hitting. NO way do i see him playing pro ball.

though i have only seen him throw once and he is a bit out of area of coverage he is a fringe prospect at best.  He is a very good DIII pitcher but does not have the skill set for a pro pitcher. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2011, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
to Narch. Van Sickler is not MLB material. if he was that good he would not be playing DIII baseball. He throws 87 tops which any MLB player would take out of the ball park and he cannot hit 90+ hitting. NO way do i see him playing pro ball.
i've never said van sickler or any pitcher in the usasac was mlb material...i think blake maxwell and buddy hernandez were the closest pitchers i've seen in the dixie/usasac to being mlb material, but it takes a lot to make it to that level

tough 5-3 loss for the monarchs today...such was at the plate representing the tying run in the 9th and scallion got him to ground out to 3rd for the final out...britt didn't pitch particularly well, giving up 5 er in 4.2 innings - mu out hit su 12-9, but didn't get the timely hits they needed - let's see if freshman andrew womble is up to the task on sunday...a split sure would be nice!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on March 19, 2011, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
CNU is a much better team than SU specially because CNU does not have to cheat to win. I know for a fact that SU heats there bats inside there small, team covered dugouts. CNU is a natural pure talented team. NCWC is second best in the conference. Record might not say so bu the past does.

Two things:
1. Know when to use there and when to use their. It makes your posts less credible when you do not know the difference.

2. Why is warming your bat illegal? There are NCAA approved gel-heated bat sleeves to do just that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: El Capitan on March 20, 2011, 02:32:18 PM
I was just looking up the score of the Captains game yesterday on NCWC's site and found it funny that the article stated that the scoreboard stated the wrong story and NC Wesleyan was the better team on that date.  But the fact is CNU had the lead since the first inning.  Last time I checked defense is part of the game too.  When CNU made 8 errors to lose to Salisbury last year I definitely did not think CNU was still the better team that day.  Baseball involves offense, pitching, and defense (most people forget about defense).

No knock to NC Wesleyan though they put up a heck of a fight and are always a tough game I dont care what kind of year they are having.  Just didnt like the wording in the write up
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on March 20, 2011, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
to Narch. Van Sickler is not MLB material. if he was that good he would not be playing DIII baseball. He throws 87 tops which any MLB player would take out of the ball park and he cannot hit 90+ hitting. NO way do i see him playing pro ball.

now I agree with the statement that Van Sickler is not MLB material. But to say its because he tops out at 87 is the worst statement i have seen on here. Many great pitchers did not throw hard and are very successful. You have to have a great off speed pitch to match your fastball, not just a 103 MPH fastball. It has nothing to do with that, might have something to do with the fact that he gets hurt, and his stats are good, but not amazing against d-3 hitters.  Kenny's stats were better than his, and kenny is still working hard to make it. Van Sickler has a change to be picked up by a team, but will be tagged with the "d-3 label" which will hinder him. Come on guys.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 20, 2011, 08:38:48 PM
the monarchs lose another tough one today...down 5-0 through 8, mu mounted a 5 run rally in the top of the 9th but the hornets came back to win it in the bottom...oh, so close, but no cigar for the green & gold
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 20, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
Looks like the USAS has some realy good hard fought series this weekend.  The scores were relatively low and definelty close.  Thats the way the USAS should be all the time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 20, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
SU and CNU pull one out again!
The most telling stat from CNU vs NCWC is

Bull pens
CNU 5 IP 0 ER 1 H 1BB
NCW 1 IP 4 ER 3 H 2 BB

Like to hear from someone at the game because from the box score looks like NCWC left the starter in one to many innings. Looked like he had pitch outstanding through 8.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on March 21, 2011, 01:12:51 AM
Quote from: NCWC#1 on March 19, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
CNU is a much better team than SU specially because CNU does not have to cheat to win. I know for a fact that SU heats there bats inside there small, team covered dugouts. CNU is a natural pure talented team. NCWC is second best in the conference. Record might not say so bu the past does.

We will see who the better team is in a couple weeks(cant wait for that series, should be a good one)..How does SU cheat?  Please show me in the rule book where it states that you cannot heat the bats...I personally do not believe it gives a competitive advantage its merely a way to save the bats from cracking and denting in the cold weather.  I think a lot of people would disagree with the last statement that NCWC is second best...After watching Methodist this week I would but them in front of NCWC...Methodist slowed down the SU hitters but struggle to get runs on the board
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 21, 2011, 07:51:59 AM
Personally, as one who has written checks for such bats in the past, it should be legal to heat  them, cool them, wrap them in velvet, and anoint them with oil....if SU can preserve their bats in any fashion, more power to them.  The "problem" with some bats last year was that certain processes could actually increase their "spring board" type function, but heating them was not one of those processes.   

The change in bats seem to make the performance more wood-like; UVA recently had a home run hit at home, the first in 17 games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC#1 on March 21, 2011, 04:59:18 PM
Boysofsummer21

NCWC played great, their starter Andrew Webb threw his butt of but Coach Long left him in to long. Then in the 10th inn. he puts in 3B Jose Parra to pitch. He walks the first guy. Next guy gets a hit. INT BB the next guy and then another hit and the captains were more clutch than the bishops on the hitting side. NCWC left alot of runners on base over the weekend. Coach Long should have went with new closer freshman Ben Longton, who has closed many games out for the bishops in the 9th after starter Andrew Webb had thrown 8 inn of fantastic baseball. Same thing for Sat. game. Starter Max Knowles who has thrown well week in and week out. The bishops have trouble getting hits when it matters most. Thats what makes a championship team. CNU and SU are the only teams that i have seen who either jump out to a start that you cant catch up to or getting those 2 out hits when you need it most. Hats off to the Captains on solid baseball but NCWC played just as well. Look out in the tournament for those bishops!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 22, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
SU climbs to #1 in the nation, while my Captains crack the into the Top 5 at #5. It's nice to see the USAS so well represented in the top of dIII baseball. Obviously, I think CNU should be at the top of that list, but we won't get into that.

Big week for the Captains, as they take on Salisbury down in Newport News tomorrow. Keep it rolling...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 22, 2011, 08:25:50 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 22, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
SU climbs to #1 in the nation, while my Captains crack the into the Top 5 at #5. It's nice to see the USAS so well represented in the top of dIII baseball. Obviously, I think CNU should be at the top of that list, but we won't get into that.

Big week for the Captains, as they take on Salisbury down in Newport News tomorrow. Keep it rolling...

;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 22, 2011, 09:42:39 AM
Well I see CNU has another tough schedule week w/ five games.  Two of which Salisbury and Tufts are very good traditional programs. It is great to see two USAS teams in the top 5.  It just speaks highly of the conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 22, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 22, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
SU climbs to #1 in the nation, while my Captains crack the into the Top 5 at #5. It's nice to see the USAS so well represented in the top of dIII baseball. Obviously, I think CNU should be at the top of that list, but we won't get into that.

Big week for the Captains, as they take on Salisbury down in Newport News tomorrow. Keep it rolling...

reminds me of my playing days when NCWC and Methodist were always in the top ten.  Just wish NCWC was representing the top 10 but our day will come. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on March 22, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
I dont think you will see NCWC representing the top 25 much less the top 10 anytime soon. Those days are over. Less than two weeks away from the CNU vs. SU series. It will be a great series between two great programs. That was always the series that I looked forward to when I was playing. Alot of players on the two teams always knew each other, so there was always a little friendly trash talk leading up to the game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 23, 2011, 08:13:43 AM
Unbelievable ... just read this on the AP wire, the entire Coaching staff at SU has been charged with a crime.  They are holding potential recruits hostage with a gun to their heads demanding them to come to SU.  The crime, over recruiting!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 23, 2011, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 23, 2011, 08:13:43 AM
Unbelievable ... just read this on the AP wire, the entire Coaching staff at SU has been charged with a crime.  They are holding potential recruits hostage with a gun to their heads demanding them to come to SU.  The crime, over recruiting!

That post was over days ago...grow up
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 23, 2011, 11:12:47 AM
Looks like SU and CNU both had good challenges yesterday w/ both scoring late to keep the great records alive.  Although I see CNU was actually ahead late, but scored to get the cushion.  Also in other USAS action it looks like Greensboro played well and beat a good #16 ranked Tufts team.  Way to go USAS.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 23, 2011, 12:35:40 PM
NCWC gets past Hampden Sydney 8-5 yesterday and faces Number #1 in DII Mount Olive today...tough schedule that Coach Long puts together...sometimes I wonder.  Bullpen has been doing much better of late since Coach has started using Costa, Vought and Longton for the 7, 8 and 9th inning.  Need to do a better job of pulling the starter when he's done vice waiting for the house to fall apart.  As for the hitting...we need outfield help!  The only guy that makes a play is SR Daniel Moore...this is College ball, not rec league.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 23, 2011, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on March 22, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
I dont think you will see NCWC representing the top 25 much less the top 10 anytime soon. Those days are over. Less than two weeks away from the CNU vs. SU series. It will be a great series between two great programs. That was always the series that I looked forward to when I was playing. Alot of players on the two teams always knew each other, so there was always a little friendly trash talk leading up to the game.

Programs can turn quick so saying any will not see the top 10 is not smart.  If you told me just 3 years ago that SU would be in the top 25 I thought that would have been crazy but here they are the top team.  So you can say those days are over for NCWC but just think where SU came from just 3 years ago. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 23, 2011, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 23, 2011, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on March 22, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
I dont think you will see NCWC representing the top 25 much less the top 10 anytime soon. Those days are over. Less than two weeks away from the CNU vs. SU series. It will be a great series between two great programs. That was always the series that I looked forward to when I was playing. Alot of players on the two teams always knew each other, so there was always a little friendly trash talk leading up to the game.

Programs can turn quick so saying any will not see the top 10 is not smart.  If you told me just 3 years ago that SU would be in the top 25 I thought that would have been crazy but here they are the top team.  So you can say those days are over for NCWC but just think where SU came from just 3 years ago. 

I'll have to agree...but, SU's been on the rise ever since K.A. strolled into town. It was only a matter of time. To be honest when I walked in my freshman year he said we'll be in the top 25 before this freshman class leaves...guess what, he didnt lie. I watched the SU/NCWC series and you'd have to admit NC Wes is performing well below normal acceptable standards. So let's be honest with ourselves here....they do not appear to be close to cracking the top 25 anytime soon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 23, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
...but if you had told me 5 years ago that SU would be ranked first in the country in anything, I would've thought you'd lost your mind; it wasn't that long ago  they won their first ever USAS tournament game-not the tournamant, a tournament game.

   So if SU can turn it around, and certainly  they have done so big time, count no team out. Ferrum is struggling this year, yet 3-4 years ago, they came within a gnat's eyelash of making the World Series.  If NCWC adds a couple good arms and a bat or two, who knows...

   I really hate to see SU leave the USAS after next season as the CNU-SU rivalry has gotten pretty intense, yet it's a lot of fun.  It's also the only game my Captains play within 20 minutes of home.   :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 23, 2011, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: bossman on March 23, 2011, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 23, 2011, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on March 22, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
I dont think you will see NCWC representing the top 25 much less the top 10 anytime soon. Those days are over. Less than two weeks away from the CNU vs. SU series. It will be a great series between two great programs. That was always the series that I looked forward to when I was playing. Alot of players on the two teams always knew each other, so there was always a little friendly trash talk leading up to the game.

Programs can turn quick so saying any will not see the top 10 is not smart.  If you told me just 3 years ago that SU would be in the top 25 I thought that would have been crazy but here they are the top team.  So you can say those days are over for NCWC but just think where SU came from just 3 years ago. 

I'll have to agree...but, SU's been on the rise ever since K.A. strolled into town. It was only a matter of time. To be honest when I walked in my freshman year he said we'll be in the top 25 before this freshman class leaves...guess what, he didnt lie. I watched the SU/NCWC series and you'd have to admit NC Wes is performing well below normal acceptable standards. So let's be honest with ourselves here....they do not appear to be close to cracking the top 25 anytime soon.


SU was 20-20 and 5th in the conference in 2008, then the next year they were a 38 win team so the years before that 38 win team they were a very middle of the pack team who was never higher than 5th and below .500 in the conference with Anderson.  So yes it can happen very quickly.  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 23, 2011, 03:18:48 PM
Okay Okay guys...I understand what you're saying and i'll give ya the benefit of the doubt...I suppose I should of just said NC Wes is down and left out the last part to avoid arguing! And I was pointing out that the state of the SU program after Anderson's arrival is significantly different than it was prior. That's what I meant by on the rise....27-15 and 20-20 were good years for the program at that point in time, etc etc ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on March 23, 2011, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: Wood on March 23, 2011, 03:17:45 PM
Ncaa 1-12 Any bat........ that has been altered or flattened so as to affect the distance factor or cause an unusual reaction on the baseball, shall be removed from the Game.
Maybe legal maybe not.  Looks to me if a bat is being kept warm (say 60 to 80 degrees) so as not to break  its ok. If being heated in excess of that on nice sunny days so as to cause an unusual reaction ( more distance)on the baseball (not ok)
Not sure but I think it is illegal to heat a softball bat in college.

English please....
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 23, 2011, 04:35:38 PM
I don't really think heating a bat is deemed illegal. I haven't researched it much, but from what I've seen I haven't found anywhere where it clearly claims heating a bat adds distance to the ball. I do know your not supposed to let those expensive things get too cold, as that has some damaging effects. But as far as research proving the baseball travels further off of a heated bat, I've never seen the study.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 23, 2011, 10:13:37 PM
mu continues its weekday mastery, beating tufts 12-2 behind a 5 rbi day from thigpen and hr's from inghram, such and thigpen - the monarchs went wholestaff with the pitching staff, getting 1 ip from britt, 7 innings from 6 frosh and 1 inning from sophomore reid berry - every monarch offensive position got a hit except the dh's - in addition to 12 hits, the monarchs also walked 10 times and stole 4 bases

mu is now 17-9 on the season, but six of the 9 losses have come to 3 teams (cnu, su, huntingdon) which are a combined 58-7 (.892) - the monarchs were out scored a by a grand total of 10 runs in those games

the monarchs need to go on a little run here...getting a couple of conference wins at ferrum won't be easy, but these are really almost must-win games for mu, which stands at 1-5 in conference play right now...

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on March 23, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Still a lot of ball to be played but where is the south regional going to be held?  D3 site still has its TBA, anyone have any news or potential sites.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 23, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
Quote from: SUball on March 23, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Still a lot of ball to be played but where is the south regional going to be held?  D3 site still has its TBA, anyone have any news or potential sites.

USA Stadium in Millington TN
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NCWC#1 on March 24, 2011, 01:23:35 AM
NCWC travels to Mt. Olive.

NCWC 6 Mt. Olive 17

10 unearned runs.

(So)Jake Alexander -3.0IP 3R 3ER 2BB 2K
(Jr)Jerry Glover- .2IP 6R 0ER 3BB
(Jr) Justin Shearin 1IP 4R 0ER 2BB
(So) Jake Swartout 1.1IP 4R 1ER 1BB 3K

14 L.O.B

(Sr) Justin Rahm (Sr) Zach Alexander both has 2 hits, 1RBI. (So) tyler clark had 1RBI,

Alot coming from freshman late in the game Hayden Williams tailed two hits for the bishops. Brett Allen had an RBI

Alot better looking NCWC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 24, 2011, 08:03:35 PM
CNU and SU both win again.  Looks like CNU pitched very well in shutting out Salisbury 4-0.  Also it appears NCW played well in going 14 innngs against Tufts only to come out w/ a tie.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 25, 2011, 09:44:09 AM
How is everyone looking weather wise this weekend.  It appears there is a lot of rain and cold weather coming.  Hope the teams get the games in this weekend.  Also I correct my last post as NCW/Tufts played 16 innings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 25, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
Fortunately not a 16 inning game, but CNU gets by Tufts 5-3 this afternoon. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 26, 2011, 08:00:29 AM
It looks like numbers 1,2,3, and 4 all suffered losses this week. Should CNU carry the weekend, they probably go to #1, but do they want to?    It looks like the top perch on the  poll (get it, "poll", not "pole"), is none too kind...

   Go Captains!   But don't look further than the next pitch...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 26, 2011, 01:09:30 PM
And #5 (CNU) is getting hammered by Averett.  10-1. Moore appears to be lights out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 26, 2011, 01:19:59 PM
Yep, just saw the score. Hey, no use getting that #1 Jinx thing if you don't have to... :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on March 26, 2011, 07:34:53 PM
The Captains joined the rest the Top 5 teams in the country by finally losing a game this week.  Because all five teams lost, it would not surprise me if the rankings remained the same next week.

Nice gut check win in the second game against Averett today.  It's hard to win on the road in the USA South – period.  It's even tougher to come back and win on the same day that you have your 26 game winning streak snapped in a 14-1 beating.   Great outing by Goldsmith in the second game and a crucial win for the Captains in the race for the USA South title.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 26, 2011, 10:05:23 PM
Yes, Greg Goldsmith was impressive.  Crucial win, but maybe not so bad to have that long winning streak snapped BEFORE the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on March 27, 2011, 03:07:16 PM
VABaseball - I agree.  The tournament is pressure enough.  Still plenty of baseball between now and Burlington though.  This weekend's showdown between SU and CNU may be one of the best attended regular season games in CNU history.  CNU has the week off (which is probably a good thing since they have already played more games than any team in the country - 30).   SU (20 games) plays 3 games this week, including a game at RMC on Friday.  Let's hope the Captains can get healthy and rested and come in well prepared for SU Saturday. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2011, 09:05:41 PM
Overall, USA-South is doing pretty well, just about everyone will be above .500 for the year.

8-0   20-01 SU
9-1   28-02 CNU
5-5   18-14 AU
3-5   15-13 GB
2-6   18-10 MU
2-6   11-16-1 NCW
1-7   12-14 FC
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 29, 2011, 07:56:32 AM
This weekend, Shenandoah v. CNU, #1 v. #2..not only in USAS but in the nation. Pretty cool. If ESPN covered D III baseball , they'd be there!

  Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 29, 2011, 07:56:57 AM
Let the trash (friendly) talk begin. #1 Shenandoah plays #2 CNU this weekend. The best conference in the country has one of the best showdowns in the nation this weekend, Go USA South and see everyone there.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 29, 2011, 09:55:54 AM
I agree. If there was a dIII Baseball College GameDay, I'm sure they'd be in Newport News for the weekend. I can't wait to catch those games this weekend.

Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 29, 2011, 02:01:48 PM
So who all is going to be at the CNU v. SU game this weekend.  I will be at the saturday game how about anyone else? 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on March 29, 2011, 03:11:02 PM
I will be there for Saturday's game along with Mrs. Hokieone...who would  just love that description as she isn't a diehard Hokie fan like the rest of the family.

   Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on March 29, 2011, 03:57:14 PM
Got a laugh out of "Mrs. Hokieone"...  VABaseball and the son of VABaseball will be at the Saturday game.  Hope the weather cooperates.  My first game of the season.  Well, not counting opening day at Nationals Park.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2011, 10:29:43 PM
the monarchs win a double header vs. suny purchase, winning 13-1 and 15-0 - lots of hits in both games vs. the overmatched panthers - mu is now 20-10 on the season heading into an important weekend series against the bishops
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 30, 2011, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: narch on March 29, 2011, 10:29:43 PM
the monarchs win a double header vs. suny purchase, winning 13-1 and 15-0 - lots of hits in both games vs. the overmatched panthers - mu is now 20-10 on the season heading into an important weekend series against the bishops

Ah the good ole Bishop-Monarch rivalry game.  Shame it is being over-matched this week by the CNU v. SU game.  I miss those NCWC and MU games they were the best part of the regular season. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 30, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
Ok with the Big game coming this weekend I am providing head to head stats for you enjoyment and discussion.



               
CNU vs Shenandoah Batting stats


  Team                Games          AB         Runs      Hits       2B        3B           HR        RBI         BB        SO         AVG       OB%        SLG




CNU          30             1040         250        327      80       13           27       230        116      180       .314      .409       .494
Shenandoah          21              722         224        264      63         7           27       193        103      103       .366      .456       .584



               
CNU vs Shenandoah Pitching stats


  Team                           IP         Hits      Runs       ER        BB           K        K/G         HR        ERA 



CNU                      261       263        105        84        97         237     8.17         10       2.90
Shenandoah                    179       179         85        64        50         160     8.04         12       3.22


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 30, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
CNU will have 3-cams streaming LIVE video coverage on Saturday.

Way to go CNU's Sport Information Department!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 30, 2011, 08:28:45 PM
I hope the weather cooperates this weekend.  I also hope that both teams play well giving the fans a greatly anticipated matchup.  You know those highly ranked matchups can sometimes not play out real well as one or both teams don't play well.  Good luck to both teams and I hope the USAS has real national show.
Quote from: D-BAT on March 30, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
CNU will have 3-cams streaming LIVE video coverage on Saturday.

Way to go CNU's Sport Information Department!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2011, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 30, 2011, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: narch on March 29, 2011, 10:29:43 PM
the monarchs win a double header vs. suny purchase, winning 13-1 and 15-0 - lots of hits in both games vs. the overmatched panthers - mu is now 20-10 on the season heading into an important weekend series against the bishops

Ah the good ole Bishop-Monarch rivalry game.  Shame it is being over-matched this week by the CNU v. SU game.  I miss those NCWC and MU games they were the best part of the regular season. 
ironically, what used to be the marquee matchup in the usasac/diac could potentially send one (or both) of the teams into last place in conference standings...kind of crazy to think
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2011, 10:07:13 PM
here is a short article about former monarch, blake maxwell...he's thrown 4 major league innings in spring training and he has given up just one hit with 4 k's...hopefully that success will translate to a strong showing in the minors this summer

http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2011/3/30/BB_0330111143.aspx
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on March 31, 2011, 11:58:02 AM
Whats going on guys... i was sitting on the computer during a 3 hour site meeting and decided to jump on the boards... being that i use to read them all the time...  soo im glad to be on and talk some baseball instead of just being an outsider..     its good to have 2 teams in at the top of the rankings to rep the usa south... but what is going on with my bishops. I remember when Coach Long brought in this years senior class when it was my Junior year he said that it was one of the better classes he had brought in in a while.... beg to differ with my class but still whats looking like another under 500. season.. that is not NCWC BASEBALL.... when you put on BISHOPS across your chest it should mean something....    I think i might just have to catch a game this weekend in fayetteville as my bishops head to methodist... a rival that i loved to play against.  Coach long when i played always had the same attitude no matter who we were playing untill METH came to town or especially when we went there.... say what you want but it is just worth a little more to long to beat up on the best coach in the conference in Austin.   Narch im guessing you will be going to watch so maybe ill see you out there...   PNeal... my man .. hope you and your brother are doing well... if you still got my number text me the scores of that cnu shan  game id love to know how that turns out.... well fellas look foward to talking to you guys soon
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on March 31, 2011, 01:21:18 PM
Being an SU alum, I'm glad to see the Hornets get that #1 ranking.  Its about time.  Only team from 09-10 to repeat at the WS, bout time the Hornets start getting some more recognition.  This weekend should be a great matchup with projected starters Sean Chitsaz going against SU's stud ace Greg Van Sickler.  Van Sickler is the best all around player/pitcher I have ever played with.  I think his numbers and accolades over the years prove that.  It's about time Coach Anderson starts getting the recruits coming to SU rather than the state schools or bigger schools.  In my opinion, there is not a better coach in the country.  With All Americans Brashears in CF and Van Sickler on the mound, the Hornets will sure be ready to go for the weekend.  The Hornets bats with Donofrio, DeHaven, Nelson, Neeb and Beall, mainly, need to come ready to face a good arm in Chitsaz.  The Captains know they need to be on their A game if they want to have any chance vs Van Sickler.  I will give props to the CNU SID for having the cameras streaming the game.  The usa south is def long overdue for national publicity.  Hope to see the stands packed at CNU, and hope for a great series and for a repeat of last year's CNU/SU matchup. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 31, 2011, 01:49:45 PM
I'd take your post one step further and say BOTH teams will need to be on their "A" game; not just CNU. If SU rolls into Newport News without playing their best game all year, they will be heading back to Winchester with some "L's." Both teams will need to play their very best.

Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 01, 2011, 12:46:58 AM
Big Weekend! Im excited to see this matchup between two great teams.  SU going to be traveling well this weekend, like they always do.  How is the weather going to be down there?  CNU fans help me out...any good restuarants in the area worth trying out?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 01, 2011, 05:28:32 AM
   You name it and it's there somewhere.  But my favorite: Cheddars, located on Jefferson Avenue . It's about 3 miles from the field, great food, great prices, and they serve up huge servings. It's always packed but tables turn over quickly and if you take a right at the door and go into the bar, if a table is open, it's yours.

   Newport News also has what Winchester (and every other town)sorely needs:  a Krispy Kreme shop. Fresh hot doughnuts baked right before your eyes. It's a few miles from campus so use your GPS but well worth it. There is no doughnut better than one of these, served hot, with  the glaze still dripping off...

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 01, 2011, 07:13:09 AM
I really like the Crab Shack which sits on the fishing pier by the James River Bridge.  Great view of the river and good crab cake sandwiches.  It's about 3 miles from CNU.  Rt. on Warwick and turn into Huntington Park just before Mercury Blvd. Or something like that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on April 01, 2011, 10:43:54 AM
Question guys..... we know that cnu and shan are the best teams in the conf by a long shot... so its easy to say that they have the most talented players on there teams...   My question for you guys that follow all the teams in conf more close than i do... is there any chance that any of my BISHOPS making first team all conf.......   I dont remember a year that NCWC didnt have a player make first team all conf... and this year is looking like a year it will happen.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 01, 2011, 11:09:09 AM
Ben,
I think conference wise, we have one of the best catchers in SOPH Tyler Clark.  Defensively not as sounds at Justin Batts but absolutely an offensive machine at the plate and kid is only a sophmore.  He is hitting .312 in conference game so I like our chances with him.  SS Senior Justim Rahm is also hitting .419 in conference and I think will be hard for keep him out of first team conference honors.  Senior Pitcher Andrew Webb has an outside chance but 2-1 with 4.13 ERA he will need a good showing vs Ferrum and Methodist.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 01, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 01, 2011, 11:09:09 AM
Ben,
I think conference wise, we have one of the best catchers in SOPH Tyler Clark.  Defensively not as sounds at Justin Batts but absolutely an offensive machine at the plate and kid is only a sophmore.  He is hitting .312 in conference game so I like our chances with him.  SS Senior Justim Rahm is also hitting .419 in conference and I think will be hard for keep him out of first team conference honors.  Senior Pitcher Andrew Webb has an outside chance but 2-1 with 4.13 ERA he will need a good showing vs Ferrum and Methodist.

Doubt clark gets much of a look at first team...He's got Neeb from SU putting together much better numbers than .312 in conference and he's a stud defensively. 2nd team is more realistic, but probably still a stretch with the names of Such and Lenda still suiting up for their respective teams. Such will get something just because of his past accomplishments and preseason hype (AND he's having a pretty decent year himself...)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 01, 2011, 01:05:47 PM
Looking at it from a strictly conference only statistical point of view this would be my take. Does not take into account reputation and is based strictly on BA, OP%, SLG and 6 games played min. This does not look at other things as fielding, RBIs etc. IMHO feel you need to be in the top 4 of you position or you don't really have a shot.

First base
Bell – Shenandoah
Lindemuth  - CNU
Catherina – Greensboro
Younger – Methodist

Second Base
Van Sickler – Shenandoah
Shoemaker – CNU
Mitchell – Averett
Minch – Shenandoah

Third Base
Newcomb – Averett
Finnegan – Greensboro
Nelson – Shenandoah
McGrath – Ferrum

Short Stop
Krout – Shenandoah
Rahm – NCWC
Jaglowski – Ferrum
Steel – CNU

Catcher
Neeb – Shenandoah
Holloway – Ferrum
Clark – NCWC
Such – Methodit

Outfield
Bashears – Shenandoah
DeHaven – Shenandoah
Kidd – Averett
Davis – Methodist
Crump – Ferrum
Madden – CNU
Higgins – Averett
Donofrio – Shenandoah

Debate is welcome
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 01, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
I know Conference Statistics play a lot, but that will certainly not be the final All-Conference Standings. Matt Shoemaker will be certainly be 1st Team 2b, and Connor Madden will just as easily be a 1st Team OF. Also, I'd put Trey Such higher up on the C list given his name and reputation. My only other quesion is how do you have 2 guys from SU on the list for 2b? Last time I checked, only 1 person gets to play 2b. Van Sickler will be the utility guy again.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 01, 2011, 02:09:18 PM
Shenandoah has Van Sickler for 6 games and the other when he pitches and this was just a statisical look so 2 2bman! know it is funny but the min was 6 games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 01, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 01, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
I know Conference Statistics play a lot, but that will certainly not be the final All-Conference Standings. Matt Shoemaker will be certainly be 1st Team 2b, and Connor Madden will just as easily be a 1st Team OF. Also, I'd put Trey Such higher up on the C list given his name and reputation. My only other quesion is how do you have 2 guys from SU on the list for 2b? Last time I checked, only 1 person gets to play 2b. Van Sickler will be the utility guy again.

He wasnt saying that would be the order of the All-Conference voting, he was saying that's how the players at each position rank who have played in atleast 6 games based on the listed criteria. I agree Shoemaker will be first team 2 bagger, such will atleast go honorable mention, and van sickler will be utility(along with POTY if he wins his start tomorrow at CNU).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 01, 2011, 02:26:54 PM
Bossman,
Thanks I was just saying that the top 4 would be the true canidates. This is not my selections just a list to start the discussion. The 2 2bs from Shenandoah would never be considered but from a statisicial view they both meet the criteria.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 01, 2011, 03:00:02 PM
I understand. I did not mean for my comments to come across as aggresive. I know your rankings was a mere conference games only statistical look at things. As you also noted, it did not take into account reputation. This just shows you how other factors play into the voting. Bossman - See you in Newport News tomorrow?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 01, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 01, 2011, 03:00:02 PM
I understand. I did not mean for my comments to come across as aggresive. I know your rankings was a mere conference games only statistical look at things. As you also noted, it did not take into account reputation. This just shows you how other factors play into the voting. Bossman - See you in Newport News tomorrow?

I dont know man, thats a loooong trip to make...but I just might be there haha. How long does it take you??
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 01, 2011, 03:08:53 PM
3 1/2 hours...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 01, 2011, 09:28:39 PM
Well I see SU held on to win 3-1 at RMC.  It is getting close as the SU/CNU matchup is coming in just a few hours.  Hopefully the good lord will keep the bad weather away, and the boys from the USAS will put on a good show for the fans.  Also this weekend the tradition rich matchup of MU/NCW should also be a good one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 02, 2011, 02:22:31 AM
Neeb is the dude!

Gotta give a shout out to the VMI staff for not giving Neeb a shot there.  Neeb wanted to play baseball and made a great choice in transferring to SU and went to the dance in his 1st year.  How 'bout that!  

Furthermore, he won the job eventually for the Winchester Royals of the Valley League summer team and it was quite obvious that he should of been the starter over the other D1 guys from day one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 02, 2011, 03:58:29 PM
Well, SU takes care of game 1 as usual 12-7 and they still have their ace in line for tomorrow it appears as Van Sickler didnt throw today....hmmmmm   ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 02, 2011, 05:10:25 PM
SU does what it needs to do today.  One win away from the #1 seed in the conference tournament  Surprised that Van Sickler did not throw today, I will never question Coach Anderson.  Vince struggled, but the rest of the pen did what they needed to do to win.  SU sticks stayed consistent today as they have all season, looks like tomorow could be another big day for the Hornets.  Rumor has it, Van Sickler did not throw today because he threw 6 innings earlier this week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on April 02, 2011, 05:22:53 PM
Ncwc gets spanked today.  I'm sure that will allow c long two hours of sleep tonight.    You would think that more coaches would help.  But not this  year.  From talking to some of players there is no caring of winning or losing there.    Maybe we turn it around Tom.   Sad just to know we are fighting not to finish last in the conf.    Not the ncwc ball I'm use to
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 02, 2011, 07:51:55 PM
I'm going to agree with you Richard, after playing for Kevin Anderson, I will NEVER question a coaching decision he makes.  I've seen many more decisions work out well for the Hornets than not so I will never doubt Coach A.  On the other hand, I will doubt the CNU student fan base and their tactics today (a select few of them at least).  Very classless on their part to be making comments to an opposing Coach.  But Vince Claudio threw well today and I thought was pulled too soon, but like I said, I will never question a Coach Anderson decision, especially a pitching change.  The bullpen did come in and do a very good job with the likes of Stefanowicz, Hendrickson, and Scallion.  Whatever Clint DeHaven's pregame routine was today, he needs to repeat it for every game from here on out.  Today was the most locked in I have ever seen him at the plate, and even against the CNU left hander.  Brashears had another solid performance out of the lead off slot for the Hornets.  Pre-Season All American Greg Van Sickler will get the nod for the Hornets tomorrow and you know will give a great effort, like always.  Looks to be another exciting game tomorrow, can't wait.  Hoping for a Hornets sweep!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 03, 2011, 08:46:57 AM
    SU played a very complete game, earning the W, and there isn't any room to nitpick-they got timely pitching, clutch hitting, and good defense. CNU hit a stretch of "long fly ball-itis" in innings 6-8 and it hurt.   The Captains will need to pick it up today if they want a split. They have seen and hit  Van Sickler previously  so I hope the experience of having seen him for 3 years will serve them well, but he's a tough pitcher with great control.
   
    What a great crowd-estimate was around 1,000 and that sounds right. SU travels well and seemed to account for roughly 25% of the folks there. Lots of CNU blue and I'm told the internet audio and video coverage was excellent-kudos to the CNU Sports folks...

    I'm a CNU fan obviously but regret the ill-advised heckling of Coach Anderson.  I know college baseball has a tradition of witty heckling, and I've heard plenty of hilariously funny stuff through the years, but that was  out of line, whatever your sentiments for SU's head coach. Unfortunately he reacted to it-while I understand why, you just can't do  that-and that seemed to fan the flames. I agree it was out of line.

 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: ericchurch on April 03, 2011, 08:54:26 AM
First rule of coaching: no matter what any fans say to you personally, you cannot react to it. You guys don't think any big time college coach in America doesn't get heckled when his team plays on the road? I didn't really know him before yesterday, but had respect for him because his teams always performed well. After that, I lost all respect for the man. I mean, telling a bunch of 21 year olds to that he is going to come up there and kick their a**...CMON MAN
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 03, 2011, 09:15:14 AM
Must give a shout-out to CNU's Sport Info Department for the outstanding 3-cam coverage on Saturday and you know what, they just informed me they are doing it again today.

Kudos to the CNU's Sports Information Department!  The coverage was legit and PBP was very good.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 03, 2011, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: ericchurch on April 03, 2011, 08:54:26 AM
First rule of coaching: no matter what any fans say to you personally, you cannot react to it. You guys don't think any big time college coach in America doesn't get heckled when his team plays on the road? I didn't really know him before yesterday, but had respect for him because his teams always performed well. After that, I lost all respect for the man. I mean, telling a bunch of 21 year olds to that he is going to come up there and kick their a**...CMON MAN


IMHO, I think it's all in the heat of the battle, spirit of the competition because he truly cares about his kids and will defend them!

What is wrong with that?

If you are so concerned, then ask to speak with him one-on-one vs. talking about him on a freakin message board and you'll be informed of another side that you are not aware about.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 03, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 03, 2011, 08:46:57 AM
   
   I'm a CNU fan obviously but regret the ill-advised heckling of Coach Anderson.  I know college baseball has a tradition of witty heckling, and I've heard plenty of hilariously funny stuff through the years, but that was  out of line, whatever your sentiments for SU's head coach. Unfortunately he reacted to it-while I understand why, you just can't do  that-and that seemed to fan the flames. I agree it was out of line.

 

Maybe it's a reflection on how things run in CNU land?  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 03, 2011, 10:41:53 AM
   D-Bat, no recording needed, when it went from heckling to a shouting match, the whole hillside behind the CNU dugout heard it.  I'm sure coach XXXXXXX regrets responding at all in hindsight, but he's human and humans don't always get it right.  Just about any person has a button or two that pushed  will get a response. Unfortunately there are some that will take advantage of the person on the field being unable to respond and cross the line.   It shouldn't be the main conversation after such a high-powered matchup between two very good teams, with one more game to go, so book closed and on to Sunday.  And does anyone really doubt these two will see each other in Burlington...and perhaps Millington, Tennessee?   


   Not all subjects are  fair game for hecklers, but too much has been said so time to move on, although "a reflection of how things run in CNU land" is no more accurate than indicting the City of Winchester when a Hornets fan crosses the line.

    Go Captains, let's have a redemptive Sunday!   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 03, 2011, 12:08:11 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 03, 2011, 08:46:57 AM
       I'm a CNU fan obviously but regret the ill-advised heckling of Coach Anderson.  I know college baseball has a tradition of witty heckling, and I've heard plenty of hilariously funny stuff through the years, but that was  out of line, whatever your sentiments for SU's head coach. Unfortunately he reacted to it-while I understand why, you just can't do  that-and that seemed to fan the flames. I agree it was out of line.

 

Why did you have to respond the the previous posters (CafeBordeaux) comments then?  If you do not respond, then most likely, nobody else would have and why did you have to type the Coach's last name?  Just sayin.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 03, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
Good point, I fixed that, you do the same. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 03, 2011, 01:29:25 PM
I was the CNU and Su game, did not hear what the fans for CNU were saying but I thought to myself that Anderson did not have to react to the fans the why he did.  The phrase "tuck'em in" comes to mind. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 03, 2011, 01:42:47 PM
I agree with all of the above. No coach, regardless of how much you are being heckled, should ever respond the way a particular coach did on Saturday. I've seen a lot of great, great coaches get heckled far worse than what was going on Saturday, and they did not bat an eyelash.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 03, 2011, 01:52:34 PM
Have to agree this 3 camera video feed from CNU is very nice.  I think that USA South Conference Tournament needs to do the same for all of their games.  It brings a lot of exposure to the conference and D3 baseball.  So far in todays game it looks more like a pitchers duel than yesterdays game.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 03, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
SU beats CNU ace on Saturday and CNU beats SU ace on Sunday. Great baseball. I think if you are #1 in nation and you split at the #2 team's home field, you stay #1. And CNU should stay #2 after performance today against SU ace. Wish i could have made the 2 mile trip but was unable to break away from reality. Was able to have ipad on and break away once in awhile to watch. Have to say camera action was much better on Sunday than on Saturday. Good job CNU and good announcers in Kyle McMullin and Rob Silsbee.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 03, 2011, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 03, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
Good point, I fixed that, you do the same.  

Your damage as already been done as you made point of calling out the coach directly and thanks for throwing gas on the fire.

Kudos to CNU's Sport Info Department for such great professional video coverage!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 03, 2011, 04:28:15 PM
D-Bat: As if people weren't going to know who everyone was referring too...Everyone knows which Coach flipped out and acted unprofessional, regardless of whether we call him (or her  ;), so that I don't call anyone out) Coach ABC, Coach XYZ, or by his real name. There were 1,000 people at each game; many of whom post on this board, and every single one knows, or would have known, who everyone was referring too...So just relax over there...

On a positive note, great game by the Captains today. I assume many people thought this series would be a split; although, I honestly thought for sure CNU would sweep. Good series of baseball, and each teams will more then likely meet in the Conference Championship, and potentially the Regional Championship.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 03, 2011, 05:00:55 PM
I saw the game on Saturday -- great crowd.  Obviously I was oblivious to the fireworks.... Really happy about the Captains came back today with a come back win today.  Way to go Goldsmith, Fleischmann, Lindemuth and co. I only was able to catch the last couple innings today over the internet.  Well done CNU!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: El Capitan on April 03, 2011, 08:31:59 PM
It is very hypocritical for fans to call CNU students classless but then say that what Coach XXXX did is hearsay.  Fact is I was at the game and saw everything that happened.  I heard the heckling remarks and I saw the Coach come back at the Fans.  He did threaten to fight them.  Now some of the comments made by the students may have struck a nerve but a coach should act more professional.  Do you think Duke fans take it easy on Roy Williams when he comes into town?  I was at a basketball game recently when the coach was being heckled about recent legal problems he was in, but he did not even turn to the crowd.  Do not go calling CNU classless but deny your sides part in the problem.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 03, 2011, 08:32:58 PM
I was at both games and offer some thoughts.

These where 2 very good games
SU and CNU are two good teams and this will not be the last time they see each other
Un-named fans said bad things and un-named coach said bad things but SU shut them up be hitting the ball - enough said
No lead is safe no matter who you have on the mound -- period
These games lived up to the hype and was well worth the drive. If you missed them you should watch the video of them.

Thank you to SU and CNU for a great baseball weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 03, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
I have to agree w/ Boysofsummer21.  What a great weekend of conference baseball.  There were two nationally ranked teams on the field sat, and sun.  They played hard and I am sure the fans on both sides will agree that it was a fun two days of college baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 03, 2011, 09:45:31 PM
A recap of the SU v CNU series from a SU fan perspective.  Two complete different games.  Definitely did not think Van Sickler would get the L, but he did shove for most of the game until the 8th.  Regardless, congrats to CNU for earning the split.  As far as the "heckling" incident, I don't care who you are, until you are in "Coach XYZ's" position, you don't know how you would react.  Especially when you are being heckled with stuff from your WAY PAST!   I have no problem with heckling another team, but a Coach?  I'll say Cmon man to that one.  Especially from an "alleged" former Captain.  I do believe there could be some regret on the part on "Coach XYZ's" part, but in his defense, the CNU hecklers NEVER should have came at him with the remarks they did.  And I do need to comment on the way the opposing coach handled his fans/former players.  If that were to happen at SU, and an opposing Coach confronted SU's coach about heckling going as far as it did, SU's coach would have put a stop to it IMMEDIATELY.  He demands, and gets respect from his players, along with every other individual on campus.  That would have ended right there had the game and hecklers been at SU.  The way the opposing Coach handled it was weak.  I'm not denying anything that either party said, I'm just looking at it from an outsider's point of view.  And I guess when you are back to back defending South Region Champs, defending Conf Champs, and #1 in the Nation, I guess some heckling is expected.  Not the way it did though and that was bush league. 

Enough with that, cause these were two VERY good teams and they played two VERY good games this weekend.  Aside from a little rain on Saturday, the weather couldn't have been much better, and neither could the baseball games.  SU showed dominance out of their bullpen when Claudio got the early exit from game 1, and their bats came alive.  Van Sickler was dominant for 7 innings of game 2, just like the All American that he is, but maybe a little fatigue got to him and CNU's bats came to life and gave Van Sickler his first loss of the year.  Much credit is owed to CNU and their approach to Van Sickler.  They waited him out and waited for him to make his mistakes and they hit him hard when he did.  Goldsmith kept the Captains in the game all day, and was actually more impressed with him than there #1.  He had to have thrown 130+ pitches though (didn't hear a pitch count from anybody).  But in all honesty (I was hoping for an SU sweep), but what a great weekend of baseball in the USA South and the top 2 teams in the country.  Represented USA South BASEBALL (not sportsmanship necessarily) very well.  I definitely think SU showed that they deserve that #1 ranking though.  Looking forward to that always exciting USA South Conf Tourny. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfan58 on April 03, 2011, 10:57:18 PM
I don't think that 10 hits and 4 K's by a generous ump, and at least 4 warning track catches would fall in the dominant category. He is a very good pitcher but you don't need to use the fatigue card, or he made mistakes as your excuse!! Just saying!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on April 04, 2011, 06:51:30 AM
Great weekend of baseball in VA... from what it looks like it was a fun weekend and i hate i live to far away to catch those games....  Speaking on Coach A part  i would agree as a coach you can not tell any fans or players that you will kick there butt if they dont shut up.. When i played i can remember get everything yelled at me you could think of when i was on the mound.. from my mothers name, fathers name, gf.. etc.   I was a players so i could run my mouth back a little more than waht Coach A should have done... But no matter what he said or did. still doesnt take back the fact that he is a awesome coach.   Great weekend of baseball and congrats to both teams on winning there respected games...    NOW... NCWC gets broomed sticked in Fayetteville..  I know that has to hurt as it looked like both games were no match for MU...  I hated for the players on Mon because C LONG is going to give them one ruff pract i would guess...   NOW NCWC  IS LAST IN THE USA SOUTH.... unless they sweep ferrum they will finish last because with a split the head to head will go to overall record...  lets hope the bishops sweep.... you guys that follow the teams more than i do and have watchd them play.. whats the chances of a sweep..... LTHS  maybe you can tell me whats going on with the bishops????????????????
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 04, 2011, 07:36:51 AM
I'm not 100% sure who you think was doing the heckling from the CNU crowd, but I believe you are mistaken on the "former captain" part. As far as a Coach telling his own fans to keep it down, I have to agree to disagree with you there. I understand the comments said by certain CNU fans were from a long, long time ago; and, no one truly knows the story of what really occurred in that whole situation at the former school, but heckling both players and coaches is part of the game. And yes, you are correct in the saying that #1 ranking and back to back WS appearances add to that; but that is what is to be expected when you go on the road to the #2 in the nation, who also happens to be your arch rival. I wouldn't say CNU's coach  handled it weak at all, as it's his job to control what goes on in between the lines; not outside the fences. Heck, if I'm a CNU coach right there, I'm probably enjoying what the fans are saying. I've never seen Frank Beamer turn around and cuss the UVA crowd when he's in C'Ville. Just like I've never seen Coach K shout back at the UNC crowed in Chapel Hill. It's all just part of the game and all in good fun.

I do agree with all of the other observations everyone has. These are 2 very, very good teams and will most certainly meet again at a later date.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 04, 2011, 08:38:17 AM
Quote from: baseballfan58 on April 03, 2011, 10:57:18 PM
I don't think that 10 hits and 4 K's by a generous ump, and at least 4 warning track catches would fall in the dominant category. He is a very good pitcher but you don't need to use the fatigue card, or he made mistakes as your excuse!! Just saying!!

Pretty sure he said he threw 7 dominant innings, which he did for the most part until he ran into problems in the 8th...Just Saying!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 04, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
I'm just going to put in a little plug here for Coach Harvell.  Quality guy.  I was very impressed a few years ago when he made sure every single player on the roster made an appearance during the season... Even the bullpen catcher. I am sure that most of Coach Anderson's players respect him.  But there are players who chose CNU because that coaching staff was more suitable to them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 04, 2011, 10:11:22 AM
I'll also add the to plug for Harvell. If we are talking about how great other coaches are, CNU has also been to the WS twice, and I believe has a much, much better record than that of the recent USAS School to get to the WS. Also, Austin and Long have also had similar careers. This is in no way a shot at KA, as I respect the heck out of the guy for the program he has built, but there are plenty of other really, really good coaches in the league.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 04, 2011, 02:55:03 PM
BMoore I respect your comments about Coach A.  Being an opponent of his and SU's for years, I am highly pleased to hear of your respect of Coach A, class move by you because he is a phenomenal Coach and guy, aside from recent events.  Aside from the fact that you shoved against us in 2009 Conf tourny, I respect your thoughts about Coach A.  Not taking anything from Coach Harvell, cause CNU's track record as opposed to SU's over the years is definitely worth noting, but in recent years, I think it's safe to say who has the edge.  And Tom Austin is a proven winner and his tenure at MU is worth noting as well.  That's a man who loves his job and loves that school to do that for so long.  I have the utmost respect for Tom Austin, and Charlie Long as well.   And as for the comments about Harvell handling the fans, you're right you wouldn't see Frank Beamer or Coach K yell back because they have several thousand fans yelling at them and their with well thought out chants, not bringing up things from the WAY PAST, which is just speculation anyway, and something that is (with ALL DO RESPECT TO THE MAN) a black mark on his record.  He had ONE, maybe TWO fans yelling at him, so he could pinpoint who it was.  NOT SAYING HE SHOULD'VE HANDLED IT THE WAY HE DID, just saying it was easy for him to locate the source of the heckling.  And yes, I would expect CNU Coach, or any Coach, to act on ONE or TWO unruly fans, because I KNOW FOR SURE Coach would do that at SU to students, or anyone, if an opposing COACH nonetheless, was being heckled with the nonsense remarks he was receiving. 

And I don't even want to hear about a "generous umpire".  Goldsmith got calls as well and how can you say "generous umpire" for SU pitcher, who was on the ROAD, as opposed to CNU pitcher?  I understand they were more than likely USA South umpires, but still.  The kid is a 2010 All American, and a 2011 Pre-Season All-American, did you ever think he's just REALLY REALLY good?  If you hit spots you are going to get calls, period!!!   Yes, he lost it in the 8th, but those deep fly balls that I witnessed first hand as well, were not home runs so I don't care if you hit it to the track everytime, it's still an out.  When you have another All-American in Brashears in CF, those fly balls should be caught.  "Just saying!!!"  And I think I CAN use at least mistakes as a REASON, not an "excuse" (I will rephrase that part) as the reason for CNU getting to him in the 8th.  I think it's safe to say that, as a hitter, you're supposed to hit a pitcher's mistakes, and that's what CNU did, and much credit to them for that.  Congrats to both teams for a well played series, and I look forward to more games like this in Bulrington, and hopefully Millington, or possibly Appleton. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 04, 2011, 03:02:53 PM
SU's Greg VanSickler and Kevin Brashears ... what outstanding players (and more importantly, outstanding individuals) who just play the game and don't walk around thinking they are above the game.  I've watched these young men over the last 4yrs and let me tell you, it's been a joy!

I have seen some players in the USA-South that really never reached their potential because they were more worried about being pretty and the look at me non-sense.

For future players, if you want to know how to play the game the right, then follow the foot-steps of both VanSickler and Brashears and you too could very well be an All-American!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 04, 2011, 03:04:43 PM
Almost forgot, I would have to put former Shenandoah SS-Jesse Henry in that category as well and he proved himself with a Reg'l MOP award if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 04, 2011, 03:20:55 PM
Now I do agree with you there. Henry, Van-Sickler, and Brashears are all very, very good players and individuals.

Not to keep the thread going on last weekend's antics, but we will just have to leave it at the disagreement. To your point of the "well thought of chants" that people heckle big time Coaches about; I'd like to know where you came up with that from. Hecklers are notorious for finding something in the Coaches deep past and heckling them with remarks on that comment/action. I wouldn't exactly say hecklers use well thought out or articulate chants during their course of action. I'll revert back to my previous point that a Coach is to control what is going on inside the lines; not outside the fences.

Either way, good weekend series. CNU did hit Sickler's mistakes, and that's why they came out on top. They did what a very good lineup is supposed to do.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 04, 2011, 03:51:13 PM
We'll leave it at that then PNeal.  Two seperate opinions and points of view but that's what it's about.  And those 3 players are good friends of mine, and I hoped to see Henry get a chance at pro ball, but that was not to be I guess.  I'm hoping the 2 All Americans get the chance that they deserve.  Hopefully with the National recognition that these two teams have brought to the USA South, more players from this great conference will get a shot at pro ball.  Seen too many great players not get their chance from the USA South.  I do wish the best for former CNU Captain Kenny Moreland as he tries to make his way through the Orioles farm system. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 04, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
I agree. I think it's a generalized thought by all that the USAS, and even dIII in general, does not get enough recognition. Along with the three players you've mentioned, you can throw Trae Bailey into that mix as well. One of the best pure hitters I've ever seen. Brashears, Van Sickler, and Ingram all may have a shot this year, as I certainly think all 3 could compete at that level.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: El Capitan on April 04, 2011, 04:31:14 PM
"Well thought out chants".....give me a break.  Have you ever been to a Duke Carolina or UVA VT game?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 04, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 04, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
I agree. I think it's a generalized thought by all that the USAS, and even dIII in general, does not get enough recognition. Along with the three players you've mentioned, you can throw Trae Bailey into that mix as well. One of the best pure hitters I've ever seen. Brashears, Van Sickler, and Ingram all may have a shot this year, as I certainly think all 3 could compete at that level.

I think brashers and Van Sickler probably have a shot at indy ball.  Not sure any team is draft them this year at least my other scouts i talk with and share info with all say they are fringe at best and like  I have said many times putting up numbers does not get you drafted tools get you drafted and neither has the one tool, they get graded out average on about every tool and the number of players with average tools who are draft eligible would make your head spin.  Ingram I have not seen this year so I can not say.  
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 04, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
Catfish would know these things...

   Best "heckle" I ever heard of: some frat guys found an assistant coach's mushy poem published on the internet from when he was a college student and when he took the first base box, serenaded him with the group reading it back to him.   

At a Presbyterian College conference weekend series, some frat guys were just hilarious, picking on a fat first baseman, a a slow outfielder-pretty creative funny stuff, sometimes close to the edge, not unlike Ferrum's right field guys. On Sunday afternoon, last inning, the opposing team's first basemen flipped them 3-4 baseballs and told them "Come to our place and be our guys. We wish we had fans like this".   

   Double agree on Henry, Brashears, Van Sickler- mucho grande class acts and great players.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 04, 2011, 10:20:36 PM
Catfish- I would have to agree that Van Sickler and Brashears would be average on most accounts with their tools.  Van Sickler will have a tough chance getting drafted as a pitcher, he would have to be looked at as a utility player.  I would be hard pressed to say that Brashears is average on Fielding and Running.  He is equal to anyone in the country here, there has not been a ball hit to center in the last 2 years that he has not been able to track down.  I will have to agree that his arm is average and might be his biggest deterent to getting drafted.
As an SU fan I hope that they get a good look to continue their careers.     
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 05, 2011, 12:20:56 AM
You're right, putting up numbers doesn't NECESSARILY get you drafted, but it certainly can't hurt.  The numbers you put up and how successful your team is gets you more exposure, and more exposure leads to better chances of being drafted.  Both Brashears and Van Sickler have been a HUGE part of SU's success.  I don't know what you categorize as a "tool", but Brashears hits for average, that's a given, his homerun numbers don't lie either over the years, granted, pro ball is with wood bats.  He has the speed and the range, and how many pro outfielders that play CF have "plus" arms?  He might be average in arm strength and power, and there may be many players in the country who have average pro qualities, but SU is getting, and has gotten, exposure over the years so that helps their chances.  Having worked in the minor league organization for the Orioles with the Frederick Keys, I saw SEVERAL players who Brashears and Van Sickler are better than RIGHT NOW!  They had an OF'er who Brashears is bigger than and just as fast and has more power than he did, and the player mentioned is now in AAA at Norfolk.  I think Van Sickler has an above average fastball, not a great fastball, and a plus change, and if they can develop a 3rd "plus" pitch for Van Sickler in pro ball, watch out, cause that kid is the hardest worker of any player I've ever played with.  If he gets the chance, he WILL figure out how to succeed at the pro level. 

And PNeal, this is something we can agree on.  I hated playing you guys and it seemed that Trae was on base every damn time.  He was a great hitter I will agree with you on that PNeal.  Where is he now by the way?  Thought I heard he was picked up in Indy ball by someone.  What's the scoop on him now? 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 05, 2011, 03:42:01 AM

09-1    22-02 SU
10-2    29-03 CNU
05-5    20-15 AU
04-6    22-10 MU
04-6    17-15 GB
02-8    14-15 FC
02-8    12-18-1 NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 05, 2011, 03:56:03 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 04, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
I'm just going to put in a little plug here for Coach Harvell.  Quality guy.  I was very impressed a few years ago when he made sure every single player on the roster made an appearance during the season... Even the bullpen catcher. I am sure that most of Coach Anderson's players respect him.  But there are players who chose CNU because that coaching staff was more suitable to them.

How 'bout CNU being cheaper than the other private USA-South schools, now who would not want to go there?

Tuition:

CNU -  $9,250 (in state) $17,992 (out-of-state) ... 2011 figures for CNU

NCW - $21,780

MU - $22,970

GB - $23,350

FC - $23,565

SU - $24,450


Money talks and BS walks!  ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 05, 2011, 06:26:00 AM
Cafe,  I certainly hope for great things for Van Sickler and Brashears, fine players and fine guys,  AFTER they graduate ( :)), but the Catfish IS indeed a pro scout, so his opinions carry some weight...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 05, 2011, 07:32:16 AM
Trae did play Indy Ball the summer following his senior season. However, I believe he is not playing anymore, and is back down in Newport News finishing up school.

I think it's a pretty common thought that both of the SU guys are really good players. However, as Catfish noted, I also believe both will have a hard road ahead in terms of getting drafted.

As far as the tuition goes, obviously that does play a significant role in an individual decision. However, there may be more to it than the money factor. CNU gives just as good, if not better, education that anyone else in the conference (average HS GPA last I saw was a 3.7 or so), and CNU also BY FAR has the nicest campus, as even taking my personal bias out of it I don't see any other campus coming close. The money does play a role, but so does the level of baseball, education, and campus.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 05, 2011, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 05, 2011, 06:26:00 AM
Cafe,  I certainly hope for great things for Van Sickler and Brashears, fine players and fine guys,  AFTER they graduate ( :)), but the Catfish IS indeed a pro scout, so his opinions carry some weight...

It only takes (1) person to like you to have the opportunity and one's opinion is NOT everyone's opinion.  Just Sayin.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 05, 2011, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on April 05, 2011, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 05, 2011, 06:26:00 AM
Cafe,  I certainly hope for great things for Van Sickler and Brashears, fine players and fine guys,  AFTER they graduate ( :)), but the Catfish IS indeed a pro scout, so his opinions carry some weight...

It only takes (1) person to like you to have the opportunity and one's opinion is NOT everyone's opinion.  Just Sayin.

Actually it takes at least two people unless you get signed over the summer as a undrafted FA.  For the draft at the least you need to be seen by 2 scouts in the organization.  You have the original scout either a Associate Scout like myself or a Area Supervisor.  So once the Area Supervisor turns in a report to the big club then they send out a Cross Checker or another Area Supervisor to confirm what the other scouts have seen.  So it only takes one person to like you but sometimes 1-2 more people in the organization to confirm it. 
But during the summer if a Rookie Ball team or a Short Season A ball team still need players after the draft a Area supervisor can sign them without the extra eye balls on them.  That would be the best chance for both Sickler and Brashears. 
What also hurts Van Sickler on the mound is the fact that he pitches on Saturday's.  Most area supervisor's on Saturday's are at the D1 teams because he can see 2 pitchers at once instead of making a special trip to see one pitcher on a saturday.  I wish the both the best but getting drafted is not a easy thing.  I just wish I got a chance to see Van Sickler pitch but with Anderson changing the day he was pitching and not responding to my email if he was going to pitch or not that day i took a chance and went to the saturday game. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 05, 2011, 08:51:17 AM
I agree. It doesn't only take ONE person to like you..It takes at least 2. And if it is just ONE, then that one needs to be high up on the scouting board. If ONE guy didn't like Kenny Moreland enough to have him drafted, then I have a hard time saying anyone from the USAS will be.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
let me start out by saying that this weekend's games were great. SU and CNU both fought hard. Now moving onto the topic really at hand. Coach Anderson(sorry for saying his name to all of the people who dont want his name out here but lets be honest, you can find out who he is just about anywhere online) threatening CNU students. Maybe what people were saying was over the top(but that doesn't mean its not true, who really knows what happened), but calling out students and telling them to "bring your best 5"(which for those of you who dont know what that means, it means he wanted to fight). It was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. It is a shot to his character, him as a person, his family, and his program. That was completely out of line and then what i saw which might not have been noticed by anyone else but he then yelled at his player who was on 3rd base. It was a line drive to shallow CF and Shannon Mark made a great play and came up ready to throw. Anderson gave him a huge earful about getting back to the bag and tagging up. I wish he would have gone, because while Shannon has a good arm, he made the play about 30 feet behind the 2nd base bag and it would have been a double play. There are  times to yell at your players, but when you are pissed off at the fans of the other team(and grow up, its #1 v. #2, fans are going to say things, have some class), you dont have to take it out of the base runner, when he was actually in the right. So to all the SU fans out there that are going to try to break this down and say how wrong i am, let me say this, SU baseball program is a very good program but guess what, so is CNU's. There is a reason while we both at #1, and #2. And if you guys are going to tell me, 1, your fans dont stop yelling and 2, if this game was a home game for you guys, your fans wouldn't have acted the same way, then shame on you. Why cant we all just say that it was a great weekend, full of 2 great baseball games, and leave it at that. Why don't the fans stay in the stand, the coaches and players stay focused on the game, and leave it at that. Im done reading this message board cuz i know so many bias fans will come back with stupid comments and honestly, i don't believe have of the things written on here. I wouldn't have written this if the SU fans wouldn't have started this so congrats guys....who looks classy now. You took this away from baseball and now its about your coach's actions and our fans. Why dont you make a new thread and bash on CNU on there and keep this one about baseball? just a thought.......
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 05, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
let me start out by saying that this weekend's games were great. SU and CNU both fought hard. Now moving onto the topic really at hand. Coach Anderson(sorry for saying his name to all of the people who dont want his name out here but lets be honest, you can find out who he is just about anywhere online) threatening CNU students. Maybe what people were saying was over the top(but that doesn't mean its not true, who really knows what happened), but calling out students and telling them to "bring your best 5"(which for those of you who dont know what that means, it means he wanted to fight). It was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. It is a shot to his character, him as a person, his family, and his program. That was completely out of line and then what i saw which might not have been noticed by anyone else but he then yelled at his player who was on 3rd base. It was a line drive to shallow CF and Shannon Mark made a great play and came up ready to throw. Anderson gave him a huge earful about getting back to the bag and tagging up. I wish he would have gone, because while Shannon has a good arm, he made the play about 30 feet behind the 2nd base bag and it would have been a double play. There are  times to yell at your players, but when you are pissed off at the fans of the other team(and grow up, its #1 v. #2, fans are going to say things, have some class), you dont have to take it out of the base runner, when he was actually in the right. So to all the SU fans out there that are going to try to break this down and say how wrong i am, let me say this, SU baseball program is a very good program but guess what, so is CNU's. There is a reason while we both at #1, and #2. And if you guys are going to tell me, 1, your fans dont stop yelling and 2, if this game was a home game for you guys, your fans wouldn't have acted the same way, then shame on you. Why cant we all just say that it was a great weekend, full of 2 great baseball games, and leave it at that. Why don't the fans stay in the stand, the coaches and players stay focused on the game, and leave it at that. Im done reading this message board cuz i know so many bias fans will come back with stupid comments and honestly, i don't believe have of the things written on here. I wouldn't have written this if the SU fans wouldn't have started this so congrats guys....who looks classy now. You took this away from baseball and now its about your coach's actions and our fans. Why dont you make a new thread and bash on CNU on there and keep this one about baseball? just a thought.......

You want to get on here and rant and rave about a topic that hasnt been talked about in the last 5-6 posts and then you want to play the "who looks classy now" card???? Get out of here man, you're trying to stir up the pot again. Let it be...Numerous people were in the wrong this past weekend and it is what it is. Do yourself a favor and delete your account, as you're posts carry no meaning or legitimacy after a worthless post like your last. If I were a CNU fan i'd be proud to stand beside your "classy self"....ha, get real.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 05, 2011, 11:55:24 AM
I can't believe that with all the games that were played this weekend we are still discussing this. The mentioned coach has to hold himself accountable to; himself, his team and his school.
As for the games I saw at CNU both were very well played games and two different games in themselves. Saturday was a game of who could try and out coach the other and which team adapted better to the changes. Lots of bullpen action and Shenandoah did a good job of hitting a good CNU bullpen.
Sunday's game was a straight here's my best lets tee it up! (and probably #1and #2 pitchers in conference – no disrespect to Chitsay) Van Sickler and Goldsmith both pitched very well, neither dominated but both did a very good job. Each made really only one mistake and both of them left the park! Both teams can flat out hit so holding the other down like they both did gets a big thumbs up from me. Did they leave Van Sickler in to long maybe but I know that both Coaches are better college coaches than I am so they did what they felt was right. Cue the Closers! Nice to see this game come down to who I feel are the two best in the conference! If you were at the games this weekend you got a peak at what I fell will make up the bulk of the 1st team and 2nd team all-conference teams and saw some of the best college baseball you could. These two teams are outstanding and should be ranked 1 and 2 in the nation as they can take on anyone! GO USA SOUTH.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 05, 2011, 12:14:02 PM
From D3baseball.com: "Last weekend nothing was settled between the top two teams in the D3baseball/NCBWA Top 25. Shenandoah split their USA South conference series with Christopher Newport and the Hornets stay at number one for the third straight week while the Captains remain one spot behind in second."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 05, 2011, 04:22:55 PM
Glad they both stayed on top of the boards.  All splitting  those 2 games meant was that the #1 and #2 were just that the #1 and #2 battling it out.   Can't wait for the conference tourney and then regionals it will be fun.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 05, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
let me start out by saying that this weekend's games were great. SU and CNU both fought hard. Now moving onto the topic really at hand. Coach Anderson(sorry for saying his name to all of the people who dont want his name out here but lets be honest, you can find out who he is just about anywhere online) threatening CNU students. Maybe what people were saying was over the top(but that doesn't mean its not true, who really knows what happened), but calling out students and telling them to "bring your best 5"(which for those of you who dont know what that means, it means he wanted to fight). It was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. It is a shot to his character, him as a person, his family, and his program. That was completely out of line and then what i saw which might not have been noticed by anyone else but he then yelled at his player who was on 3rd base. It was a line drive to shallow CF and Shannon Mark made a great play and came up ready to throw. Anderson gave him a huge earful about getting back to the bag and tagging up. I wish he would have gone, because while Shannon has a good arm, he made the play about 30 feet behind the 2nd base bag and it would have been a double play. There are  times to yell at your players, but when you are pissed off at the fans of the other team(and grow up, its #1 v. #2, fans are going to say things, have some class), you dont have to take it out of the base runner, when he was actually in the right. So to all the SU fans out there that are going to try to break this down and say how wrong i am, let me say this, SU baseball program is a very good program but guess what, so is CNU's. There is a reason while we both at #1, and #2. And if you guys are going to tell me, 1, your fans dont stop yelling and 2, if this game was a home game for you guys, your fans wouldn't have acted the same way, then shame on you. Why cant we all just say that it was a great weekend, full of 2 great baseball games, and leave it at that. Why don't the fans stay in the stand, the coaches and players stay focused on the game, and leave it at that. Im done reading this message board cuz i know so many bias fans will come back with stupid comments and honestly, i don't believe have of the things written on here. I wouldn't have written this if the SU fans wouldn't have started this so congrats guys....who looks classy now. You took this away from baseball and now its about your coach's actions and our fans. Why dont you make a new thread and bash on CNU on there and keep this one about baseball? just a thought.......

You want to get on here and rant and rave about a topic that hasnt been talked about in the last 5-6 posts and then you want to play the "who looks classy now" card???? Get out of here man, you're trying to stir up the pot again. Let it be...Numerous people were in the wrong this past weekend and it is what it is. Do yourself a favor and delete your account, as you're posts carry no meaning or legitimacy after a worthless post like your last. If I were a CNU fan i'd be proud to stand beside your "classy self"....ha, get real.

Great idea bud, come out and attack me personally. im glad you know who i am and you know me so well. Grow up. If its not an issue, let it go. if it is(which it obviously is to you cuz you are so pissed about it) then lets talk about it. Were you even there? Did you hear everything? There are a couple of options im gonna go with. you were on the team(and if you are, you shouldn't be posting on here. doesn't your coach advise against it?) #2 you are a parent and were on the other side and didnt hear any of it. you just know what other people said. Or 3, you weren't there. So which one is it? Im thinking #1 cuz im pretty sure i know who you are.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 05, 2011, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 05, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
let me start out by saying that this weekend's games were great. SU and CNU both fought hard. Now moving onto the topic really at hand. Coach Anderson(sorry for saying his name to all of the people who dont want his name out here but lets be honest, you can find out who he is just about anywhere online) threatening CNU students. Maybe what people were saying was over the top(but that doesn't mean its not true, who really knows what happened), but calling out students and telling them to "bring your best 5"(which for those of you who dont know what that means, it means he wanted to fight). It was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. It is a shot to his character, him as a person, his family, and his program. That was completely out of line and then what i saw which might not have been noticed by anyone else but he then yelled at his player who was on 3rd base. It was a line drive to shallow CF and Shannon Mark made a great play and came up ready to throw. Anderson gave him a huge earful about getting back to the bag and tagging up. I wish he would have gone, because while Shannon has a good arm, he made the play about 30 feet behind the 2nd base bag and it would have been a double play. There are  times to yell at your players, but when you are pissed off at the fans of the other team(and grow up, its #1 v. #2, fans are going to say things, have some class), you dont have to take it out of the base runner, when he was actually in the right. So to all the SU fans out there that are going to try to break this down and say how wrong i am, let me say this, SU baseball program is a very good program but guess what, so is CNU's. There is a reason while we both at #1, and #2. And if you guys are going to tell me, 1, your fans dont stop yelling and 2, if this game was a home game for you guys, your fans wouldn't have acted the same way, then shame on you. Why cant we all just say that it was a great weekend, full of 2 great baseball games, and leave it at that. Why don't the fans stay in the stand, the coaches and players stay focused on the game, and leave it at that. Im done reading this message board cuz i know so many bias fans will come back with stupid comments and honestly, i don't believe have of the things written on here. I wouldn't have written this if the SU fans wouldn't have started this so congrats guys....who looks classy now. You took this away from baseball and now its about your coach's actions and our fans. Why dont you make a new thread and bash on CNU on there and keep this one about baseball? just a thought.......

You want to get on here and rant and rave about a topic that hasnt been talked about in the last 5-6 posts and then you want to play the "who looks classy now" card???? Get out of here man, you're trying to stir up the pot again. Let it be...Numerous people were in the wrong this past weekend and it is what it is. Do yourself a favor and delete your account, as you're posts carry no meaning or legitimacy after a worthless post like your last. If I were a CNU fan i'd be proud to stand beside your "classy self"....ha, get real.

Great idea bud, come out and attack me personally. im glad you know who i am and you know me so well. Grow up. If its not an issue, let it go. if it is(which it obviously is to you cuz you are so pissed about it) then lets talk about it. Were you even there? Did you hear everything? There are a couple of options im gonna go with. you were on the team(and if you are, you shouldn't be posting on here. doesn't your coach advise against it?) #2 you are a parent and were on the other side and didnt hear any of it. you just know what other people said. Or 3, you weren't there. So which one is it? Im thinking #1 cuz im pretty sure i know who you are.

Ha, Well you're obviously way off and you have no idea who I am actually. Not on the team, not a parent, just a fan. Doesn't piss me off that you're bad mouthing Coach A for his actions. Heck, maybe he deserves to be scolded for his actions. All i'm saying is the situation had not been topic for conversation in the most recent 5-6-7 posts and i'm pretty sure everyone BUT YOU had decided to let it go. Obviously you have no class, coming on here just to bash the guy after it was said and done. I'm pretty sure I was telling you to let it go, if that's a personal attack then so be it. So, as I previously posted "Grow up" and if you're gonna keep posting on here, the least you could do is attempt to come across as someone with more than a 3rd grade education as you peck on that keyboard of yours  (now, that one may have been a little personal). Later guy.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 05, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
After reading the last few pages, I say we should make English the official language of this forum.  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 05, 2011, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 05, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
After reading the last few pages, I say we should make English the official language of this forum.  :)
wishful thinking :)

to throw my $.02 into the cnu heckling situation...IF what has been alleged here on these boards is accurate (please read IF as large as you possibly can), then the conference should step in and issue a suspension to the coach who is allegedly involved...maybe one or two games - i mean, when you log on to the usa south site, you get a "got sportsmanship" video - if the allegations are accurate (or even close to accurate), nothing on either side of that situation speaks to sportsmanship - the conference needs to send a message and issue a suspension - i would also suggest that the folks at cnu should do their best to find out who the culprits in the crowd were, and issue a punishment of its own...something similar...maybe keeping the fan(s) responsible out of the ball park for a couple of games

on to baseball...i was happy to see the monarchs pull out a sweep...sunday wins have been hard to come by this season for mu - vwc @ vwc on wednesday...mu needs another non-conference win going into the final conference weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 05, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 05, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
After reading the last few pages, I say we should make English the official language of this forum.  :)

And maybe some punctuation lessons thrown in for good measure? :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 06, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
Getting the board back to baseball topics, as Narch began to do, who is everyone looking at as their 1st Team All Conference Selection at each position? I'll do some research, and post my 2 cents (as if anyone cares about that) later on today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 06, 2011, 08:08:14 AM
I found some time this morning to review numbers, and this is my anticipated 1st Team Selections. At some positions, I list multiple guys as I'm not sure at that position.

C - Trey Such : Methodist
1B - Nick Beall : SU / Steven Lindenmuth : CNU
2B - Matt Shoemaker : CNU
3b - Cory Nelson : SU
SS - Rahm : NCWC / Krout : SU / (potentially Ingram, due to his reputation)
OF - Kevin Brashears : SU
OF - Connor Madden : CNU
OF - Clint DeHaven : SU / Travis Crump : FC
DH - Caleb Dorton : FC
Util - Greg Van Sickler : SU
SP - Greg Van Sickler : SU
SP - Greg Goldsmith : CNU
RP - Ryan Fleischman : CNU
Player Of The Year - Kevin Brashears : SU
Pitcher Of The Year - Greg Goldsmith : CNU / (Van Sickler's name may get him this award)
Rookie Player Of The Year - Billy Steel CNU
Rookie Pitcher Of The Year - Andrew Womble : MU

Now, I understand that the vast majority of my picks are SU and CNU, and I don't even have some teams represented. However, I think it is 100% clear that SU and CNU are the class of the USAS, and will/should dominate the all conference selections.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 06, 2011, 09:13:52 AM
PNeal 7,
Very good list and I agree in total.

1B I think Beall should get the nod
SS I think Rahm will get it because they need other teams on the list
OF Crump for the 3rd OF
Pitcher of the year - Goldsmith should get it but think it will go to Van Sickler (unless he struggles this weekend)
POY - 2 way race between Brashears and Shoemaker with Brashears taking it

Now as to this being loaded with SU and CNU I think that is indicative of the year with SU and CNU being natioanl 1 and 2 and in conference them being the far and away 1 and 2. But with that said I think that a few of the people on the list will get snubbed because they will want more schools represented. But IMO this list is very solid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 06, 2011, 09:30:11 AM
BoysofSummer - I agree completely. I figured Rahm would get the nod at SS, in order to get NCWC on the board. I also believe a few individuals will get snubbed due to the fact they generally try to have a representative sample of the entire conference; not just CNU/SU. We can also agree on the Pitcher Of The Year. At this exact point in time, I believe Goldsmith should get the nod, but that Van Sickler will get the nod due to his name/reputation. However, if he struggles this weekend in anyway, I see Goldsmith potentially jumping him. As much as I believe Shoemaker and Madden both deserve significant consideration in the Player Of The Year Award, I believe Brashears will take this due to his above .500 average in-conference, and his reputation.

In reality, we could great the entire 1st Team All Conference w/ CNU and SU players and have a very, very, very solid All Conference Team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 06, 2011, 01:22:18 PM
Quote from: narch on April 05, 2011, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 05, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
After reading the last few pages, I say we should make English the official language of this forum.  :)
wishful thinking :)

to throw my $.02 into the cnu heckling situation...IF what has been alleged here on these boards is accurate (please read IF as large as you possibly can), then the conference should step in and issue a suspension to the coach who is allegedly involved...maybe one or two games - i mean, when you log on to the usa south site, you get a "got sportsmanship" video - if the allegations are accurate (or even close to accurate), nothing on either side of that situation speaks to sportsmanship - the conference needs to send a message and issue a suspension - i would also suggest that the folks at cnu should do their best to find out who the culprits in the crowd were, and issue a punishment of its own...something similar...maybe keeping the fan(s) responsible out of the ball park for a couple of games

on to baseball...i was happy to see the monarchs pull out a sweep...sunday wins have been hard to come by this season for mu - vwc @ vwc on wednesday...mu needs another non-conference win going into the final conference weekend

Spot on Narch!

The sportsmanship video is about as popular as a hot garlic nut sundae!   :o
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 06, 2011, 02:15:48 PM
i know everyone is probably tired of reading about blake maxwell, but here is an article from the fayetteville observer...blake is certainly getting some fantastic opportunities, like pitching in a big league park following beckett, reyes, bard and papelbon

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2011/04/06/1083854

here is the box-score from that game:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_03_30_bosmlb_houmlb_1&mode=gameday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 06, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: narch on April 06, 2011, 02:15:48 PM
i know everyone is probably tired of reading about blake maxwell, but here is an article from the fayetteville observer...blake is certainly getting some fantastic opportunities, like pitching in a big league park following beckett, reyes, bard and papelbon

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2011/04/06/1083854

here is the box-score from that game:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_03_30_bosmlb_houmlb_1&mode=gameday

We can never get tired of reading about USAC guys doing well in the pros.  Hell any news of USAC guys inthe pros is welcomed.  Wish we would have these all the time for a lot of players. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: cnu13 on April 06, 2011, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 05, 2011, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 05, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: cnu13 on April 05, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
let me start out by saying that this weekend's games were great. SU and CNU both fought hard. Now moving onto the topic really at hand. Coach Anderson(sorry for saying his name to all of the people who dont want his name out here but lets be honest, you can find out who he is just about anywhere online) threatening CNU students. Maybe what people were saying was over the top(but that doesn't mean its not true, who really knows what happened), but calling out students and telling them to "bring your best 5"(which for those of you who dont know what that means, it means he wanted to fight). It was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. It is a shot to his character, him as a person, his family, and his program. That was completely out of line and then what i saw which might not have been noticed by anyone else but he then yelled at his player who was on 3rd base. It was a line drive to shallow CF and Shannon Mark made a great play and came up ready to throw. Anderson gave him a huge earful about getting back to the bag and tagging up. I wish he would have gone, because while Shannon has a good arm, he made the play about 30 feet behind the 2nd base bag and it would have been a double play. There are  times to yell at your players, but when you are pissed off at the fans of the other team(and grow up, its #1 v. #2, fans are going to say things, have some class), you dont have to take it out of the base runner, when he was actually in the right. So to all the SU fans out there that are going to try to break this down and say how wrong i am, let me say this, SU baseball program is a very good program but guess what, so is CNU's. There is a reason while we both at #1, and #2. And if you guys are going to tell me, 1, your fans dont stop yelling and 2, if this game was a home game for you guys, your fans wouldn't have acted the same way, then shame on you. Why cant we all just say that it was a great weekend, full of 2 great baseball games, and leave it at that. Why don't the fans stay in the stand, the coaches and players stay focused on the game, and leave it at that. Im done reading this message board cuz i know so many bias fans will come back with stupid comments and honestly, i don't believe have of the things written on here. I wouldn't have written this if the SU fans wouldn't have started this so congrats guys....who looks classy now. You took this away from baseball and now its about your coach's actions and our fans. Why dont you make a new thread and bash on CNU on there and keep this one about baseball? just a thought.......

You want to get on here and rant and rave about a topic that hasnt been talked about in the last 5-6 posts and then you want to play the "who looks classy now" card???? Get out of here man, you're trying to stir up the pot again. Let it be...Numerous people were in the wrong this past weekend and it is what it is. Do yourself a favor and delete your account, as you're posts carry no meaning or legitimacy after a worthless post like your last. If I were a CNU fan i'd be proud to stand beside your "classy self"....ha, get real.

Great idea bud, come out and attack me personally. im glad you know who i am and you know me so well. Grow up. If its not an issue, let it go. if it is(which it obviously is to you cuz you are so pissed about it) then lets talk about it. Were you even there? Did you hear everything? There are a couple of options im gonna go with. you were on the team(and if you are, you shouldn't be posting on here. doesn't your coach advise against it?) #2 you are a parent and were on the other side and didnt hear any of it. you just know what other people said. Or 3, you weren't there. So which one is it? Im thinking #1 cuz im pretty sure i know who you are.

Ha, Well you're obviously way off and you have no idea who I am actually. Not on the team, not a parent, just a fan. Doesn't piss me off that you're bad mouthing Coach A for his actions. Heck, maybe he deserves to be scolded for his actions. All i'm saying is the situation had not been topic for conversation in the most recent 5-6-7 posts and i'm pretty sure everyone BUT YOU had decided to let it go. Obviously you have no class, coming on here just to bash the guy after it was said and done. I'm pretty sure I was telling you to let it go, if that's a personal attack then so be it. So, as I previously posted "Grow up" and if you're gonna keep posting on here, the least you could do is attempt to come across as someone with more than a 3rd grade education as you peck on that keyboard of yours  (now, that one may have been a little personal). Later guy.

ok matt. thanks for the feedback bud.


on to something i care about. what do you guys feel will happen with the polls for next since cnu just lost to bridgewater? do you think one game is deserving of a huge drop?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: ilikebaseball on April 06, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
CNU is a very good team. Everyone knows it is hard to win them all and each team stumbles from time to time. Bridgewater is a better team than their record, remember they beat #2 Cortland earlier this year and gave SU a run for thier money. CNU wont drop more than a couple of spots depending on how the other top teams play this week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 07, 2011, 11:36:56 PM
09-01   25-02 SU
10-02   30-04 CNU
05-05   21-15 AU
04-06   22-11 MU
04-06   18-15 GB
02-08   16-15 FC
02-08   12-18-1 NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfan58 on April 08, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
Quote from: ilikebaseball on April 06, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
CNU is a very good team. Everyone knows it is hard to win them all and each team stumbles from time to time. Bridgewater is a better team than their record, remember they beat #2 Cortland earlier this year and gave SU a run for thier money. CNU wont drop more than a couple of spots depending on how the other top teams play this week.
Contratulations to the Captains for getting their 30th win yesterday, and to Coach Harvell for getting his 300 win!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 08, 2011, 08:45:52 AM
Not a HUGE drop, but a slight drop in the poll IF they teams behind them continue to win games. Bridgewater is a solid program and losing to them is not like losing to Cal Tech.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 08, 2011, 09:39:34 AM
Congrats to Coach Harvell on his 300th win. The Captains move to 30-4 behind a strong offensive performance.

Of another note, if by some chance SU and CNU both finish in the Top 5, they won't both be put in the same Regional Tournament, will they? I'm under the assumption that the lower ranked team would get shipped out to a different region. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 08, 2011, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 08, 2011, 09:39:34 AM
Congrats to Coach Harvell on his 300th win. The Captains move to 30-4 behind a strong offensive performance.

Of another note, if by some chance SU and CNU both finish in the Top 5, they won't both be put in the same Regional Tournament, will they? I'm under the assumption that the lower ranked team would get shipped out to a different region. Any thoughts?

There is a good chance they'd both be there. The West and Midwest regions in recent years had 5-6 teams all ranked in the top 20 nationally. It's just the way the chips fall sometimes.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 09, 2011, 12:02:24 AM
It's good to see some USA South talent in the pros.  Maybe Maxwell can do something for the Red Sox that ONLY John Lackey has done so far, WIN A GAME!!!   And I have to agree that Bridgewater is a much better team than their record.  They always gave us (SU) a game when I was there and were never an easy game.  Hoping for a better showing out of the USA South (preferably SU) in the World Series this year against those Mid West/West teams who have dominated the past few years. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 09, 2011, 01:26:54 AM
Still a decent amount of baseball to play and anything can happen in the conference tournaments but lets throw out some projections for the regional.  Pretty obvious that SU (25-2) and CNU (31-4) will be 1/2 seed depending on what happens in the tourney..If Methodist (22-11) has a good weekend and a good showing in the tourny then they should have a good chance..I'm thinking they'll be only one team out of the ODAC, the tournament winner(probably Bridgewater or Lynchburg)..Maryville earned a spot so far with a 22-7 record out of GSAC with Piedmont still with a fighting chance with a 19-12 record...i think they'll be two bids out of the CAC Frostburg State (18-8) and Salisbury(17-9) with Mary Washington 19-12 and St. Mary's in the hunt but with the travel distance, one  of the CAC teams could be sent to a different region...Millsaps is in right now with a 22-12...but a couple upsets in the tournaments could throw it all out of wack ..wonder if it will be a 6 or 8 team region..what you guys think?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 09, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
SU Clinches half of the regular season title with win today over AU.  Coach Anderson will send Vince Claudio to the bump to complete the sweep and win the title outright.  Van Sickler wrapped up the Pitcher of the Year today with another conference win.  He also went 3-4 at the plate with 2 bombs.  This is a good thing as Gregs bat is going to be needed this coming week at the conference tournament.  Beall is staying consistent at the plate (3-4) as the SU lineup rolled through AU pitching staff giving them 9 runs earned.  Tomorrow should be a big day at Bridgeforth Field.  It's always nice to win the title on your home field.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 09, 2011, 05:26:27 PM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 09, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
SU Clinches half of the regular season title with win today over AU.  Coach Anderson will send Vince Claudio to the bump to complete the sweep and win the title outright.  Van Sickler wrapped up the Pitcher of the Year today with another conference win.  He also went 3-4 at the plate with 2 bombs.  This is a good thing as Gregs bat is going to be needed this coming week at the conference tournament.  Beall is staying consistent at the plate (3-4) as the SU lineup rolled through AU pitching staff giving them 9 runs earned.  Tomorrow should be a big day at Bridgeforth Field.  It's always nice to win the title on your home field.....

Don't get ahead of yourself, this year's Averett team is one of the better ones that I've seen in several years and they run-ruled CNU a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 09, 2011, 08:43:43 PM
 I'm not one bit concerned about tomorrow....They might have done that to CNU, but Averett was at home not at Bridgeforth.....SU will win and clinch tomorrow, Claudio has pitched in games that have had higher implications than this, he will be ready and so will the rest of the lineup.  Averett should be starting Mitchell (LEFTY).  SU as a team is hitting .394 vs. lefty with 6 players in the lineup batting over .400....I know that these numbers are just an indication of what has happened but personally I feel comfortable enough to know that SU will win.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 09, 2011, 10:38:27 PM
mu beats gc 6-2 behind a sterling performance by tre britt...7 ip, 3 hits, 8 k's - the monarchs got just 3 hits on the game, but turned a ton of walks into 6 runs - lancaster took the first pitch of the game out of the park - his first career collegiate hr - mu improves to 23-11 on the season...i'm hoping to see another sunday win
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 10, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
I don't think AU will be throwing Mitchell because he is not a lefty and because he is not a conference starter.  The lefty you are referring to would be Tyler Long.  It is also never a good idea in this conference to count your chics before the eggs hatch.
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on April 09, 2011, 08:43:43 PM
I'm not one bit concerned about tomorrow....They might have done that to CNU, but Averett was at home not at Bridgeforth.....SU will win and clinch tomorrow, Claudio has pitched in games that have had higher implications than this, he will be ready and so will the rest of the lineup.  Averett should be starting Mitchell (LEFTY).  SU as a team is hitting .394 vs. lefty with 6 players in the lineup batting over .400....I know that these numbers are just an indication of what has happened but personally I feel comfortable enough to know that SU will win.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 10, 2011, 10:50:38 AM
I agree. While I think SU will handle AU today in Winchester, you sure are showing some signs of cockiness there. In the USAS, anybody can beat anybody on the weekend. Yes, when AU run ruled CNU, it was @ AU; but, AU could beat SU. It's not like they are playing the Deaf and Blind; AU can play a little bit. I wouldn't get to over-confident/cocky there "Funchester."Plus, Claudio isn't exactly a big time pitcher. AU could EASILY explode for runs off of him; if they did it to the CNU pitching staff, they can certainly do it to Claudio, whom is certainly not anywhere close to being one of the top pitchers in the conference.

On another note, if you haven't figured this out yet, Regular Season USAS Title means absolutely nothing. Yes, it's nice to be termed the "Regular Season Champs," (something SU has yet to do outright  ;)), but the Tournament is what matters. And, as I've noted before, HR numbers at Bridgeforth aren't that hard to do.

I apologize if this comes off as any form of an attack, because it is not meant to be. It's just the cockiness your portray in your two posts below is what makes it so easy for certain people to dislike SU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 10, 2011, 03:48:52 PM
SU is the regular season USA-South Champs and will get an easier road to the USA-South Tournament championship game with a 11 to 3 win over Averett.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 10, 2011, 04:14:15 PM
Not even a close on in Winchester. SU wins 11-3.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 10, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Anyone know what the tie-breaker is if AU, MU and GC all wind up 5-7?  I figure Averett is the lowest of the three because they lost 2 to GC.  If GC wins today, they will have swept AU and splite with MU.  MU will have split with both AU and GC.  Seems a GC win today should give them the #3 seed, MU the #4 seed and AU the #5 - correct? 

Of course if MU wins it all lines up nice and neat with MU getting the #3, AU the #4 and GC the #5. 

I'm guessing the Ferrum/NCW series got shortened to one game because that's all that is needed to see which team gets the bottom spot.  Unless Ferrum mounts a comeback it looks like Ferrum is #7 and NCW is #6.


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 10, 2011, 05:48:02 PM
The below bracket is based on the NCAA handbook. It is not offical just my guess.


Seven-Team (Four Days)
Day 1
Game 1 - Averett vs. Greensboro 9:30 a.m.
Game 2-  Methodist vs. NCWC 1 p.m.
Game 3 - CNU vs. Ferrum 4:30 p.m.
Game 4 - Winner Game 1 vs. SU 8 p.m.
Day 2 -
Game 5 - Loser Game 2 vs. Loser Game 3 9:30 a.m.
Game 6 - Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3 1 p.m.
Game 7 - Loser Game 1 vs. Winner Game 5 4:30 p.m.
Game 8 - Loser Game 4 vs. Loser Game 6 8 p.m.
Day 3 -
Game 9 - Winner Game 4 vs. Winner Game 6 Noon
Game 10 - Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8 3:30 p.m.
Game 11 - Winner Game 10 vs Loser Game 9 7 p.m
Day 4 -
Game 12 - Winner Game 11 vs. Winner Game 9 Noon
Game 13 - Same teams as in Game 12 (if necessary) 4 p.m.














Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 10, 2011, 06:14:23 PM
The Methodist win certainly clears everything up. 
1) SU
2) CNU
3) Methodist
4) AU
5) GC
6) NCWC
7) Ferrum

Boys .. I think there is one thing incorrect on your schedule - I think SU will get the "loser" of the AU/GC game, not the "winner".  At least that's what happened last year. 

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 10, 2011, 07:49:51 PM
USAS Conference tournament schedule has never made sense in the 6 years I've followed it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 10, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
Yea it seemed that was what I remembered and I think you are right but this is from the D3 handbook.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 10, 2011, 08:14:28 PM
Never mind USA South has posted the schedule.


Scenario #1

Thursday, April 14, 2011

Game 1 - #4 Averett vs. #5 Greensboro – 9:30 a.m.
Game 2 - #3 Methodist vs. #6 N.C. Wesleyan - 1:00 p.m.
Game 3 - #2 Christopher Newport vs. #7 Ferrum - 4:30 p.m.
Game 4 - #1 Shenandoah vs. Loser Game 1 – 8:00 p.m.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 10, 2011, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 10, 2011, 10:50:38 AM
I agree. While I think SU will handle AU today in Winchester, you sure are showing some signs of cockiness there. In the USAS, anybody can beat anybody on the weekend. Yes, when AU run ruled CNU, it was @ AU; but, AU could beat SU. It's not like they are playing the Deaf and Blind; AU can play a little bit. I wouldn't get to over-confident/cocky there "Funchester."Plus, Claudio isn't exactly a big time pitcher. AU could EASILY explode for runs off of him; if they did it to the CNU pitching staff, they can certainly do it to Claudio, whom is certainly not anywhere close to being one of the top pitchers in the conference.

On another note, if you haven't figured this out yet, Regular Season USAS Title means absolutely nothing. Yes, it's nice to be termed the "Regular Season Champs," (something SU has yet to do outright  ;)), but the Tournament is what matters. And, as I've noted before, HR numbers at Bridgeforth aren't that hard to do.

I apologize if this comes off as any form of an attack, because it is not meant to be. It's just the cockiness your portray in your two posts below is what makes it so easy for certain people to dislike SU.

I dnt care for the talk either PNeal and your right it is nice to be reg. season champs but its doesnt matter...its what you do from now on(tourny, regionals and hopefully ws).  I would say Claudio is better than what you think and I would put him in the class of the top pitchers in the conference.   He can be hot and cold sometimes but when he has his control he is pretty good.  

From looking at the stats SU has hit 39 home runs with 18 on the road compared to 21 at home and thats with playing 3 more games at home then on the road. Maybe they are just good hitters. I agree you can get some pretty cheap home runs at Bridgeforth. When it is warm the wind usually blows from the south or east(which means its blowing straight out or towards lf) but SU hitters lose many hrs in the early months due to the fact of the cold weather when the wind typically blows from the north/northwest(basically a cross wind to blowing straight in from lf).  All in all you usually get the hr totals that you deserve.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
obviously, the monarchs finished off the sweep of the pride, but it wasn't easy...womble struggled a bit and mu fell behind 6-2 before mounting a comeback and getting the "w" - inghram went 2-4 with a hr and 4 rbi...nice day at the office, for him

i'm not sure exactly how he tie-breaker would have worked out if 3 teams had finished 5-7, but the tie-breaker in the usasac is head-to-head results first, then record vs. teams from the top of the standings down...if gc, au and mu had been tied after head-to-head, au would have been the #3 seed because of the cnu win
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 11, 2011, 06:33:52 AM
Quote from: hokieone on April 10, 2011, 07:49:51 PM
USAS Conference tournament schedule has never made sense in the 6 years I've followed it.

It's to send a team home the first day. Saves money, I would imagine.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 11, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
It seems to me the tournament would make more sense to put #6 vs #7, then have the loser of that play #1. Then you could have #2 vs #5, and #3 vs #4. I find it strange that 2 middle of the pack teams might have to play twice in the 1st day. With that logic, it's better to finish #7 than it is #4 or #5.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Falcon2720 on April 11, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
BIG NEWS!

Piedmont College joins the USA-South!

LaGrange and Maryville still up in the air.  Great addition for Baseball at least.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 11, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
Is there an article out about the Piedmont move?  I can't find anything on their site or the GSAC site. Will they join after SU leaves after the 2012 season?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 11, 2011, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 11, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
Is there an article out about the Piedmont move?  I can't find anything on their site or the GSAC site. Will they join after SU leaves after the 2012 season?

Nevermind - I found the article on the USA South Site - http://www.usasouth.net/general/2010-11/11piedmontjoin

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 11, 2011, 03:52:51 PM
Ok do we have guess on All-Conference teams?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 11, 2011, 04:28:46 PM
Although everyone may think the ALL Conf teams are gonna be primarily SU/CNU boys....if the selection committee goes based exclusively on conference stats.....here's what the 1st team could possibly look like.

Coach of the year- J. Harvell CNU
Player of the year- Van Sickler SU /Brashears SU
Pitcher of the year- Van Sickler SU/ Goldsmith CNU
Rookie of the year- Steele CNU  S Davis MU....Missed him the first go round, much better in conference stats than Steele.

1st Team

C- Neeb SU or Such MU
1st- Beall SU .....Lindemuth CNU will be considered and may get on 1st team utility if he played another position or two this spring...
2nd- Toss up...no 2B had a standout year in conference games....Shoemaker CNU gets the nod
3rd- Newcombe AU or Alexander NC Wes.
SS- Krout SU or Rahm NC Wes. (Probably get s the nod as he is a SR)
OF- Madden CNU(Lock), Brashears SU (Lock), DeHaven SU or Higgins AU or Vernon CNU
Pitchers- Van Sickler SU, Goldsmith CNU, Britt MU , Scallion SU, Chitsaz CNU, Fleischmann CNU, Moyer AU, Crump FC, Cadle GC,
Utility- Van Sickler SU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 11, 2011, 05:02:25 PM
Agreed with most here is my guess at 1st team

Coach of the year- J. Harvell CNU
Player of the year- Van Sickler SU
Pitcher of the year- Van Sickler SU
Rookie of the year- Steele CNU

1st Team

C- Such MU
1st- Beall SU
2nd- Shoemaker CNU
3rd- Alexander NC Wes.
SS- Rahm NC Wes.
OF- Madden CNU, Brashears SU, Higgins AU
Pitchers- Van Sickler SU, Goldsmith CNU,
Relief - Fleischmann CNU
Utility- Van Sickler SU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 11, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
I'm with you two on the majority.

Coach - Harvell (CNU)
Player - Van Sickler (SU) or Brashears (SU)
Pitcher - Van Sickler (although, let it be known I think Goldsmith should be it)
Rookier - Steel (CNU) or Davis (MU)

C - Such (MU)
1b - Beall (SU) or Lindenmuth (CNU)
2b - Shoemaker (CNU)
SS - Rahm (NCWC)
3b - Nelson (SU)
OF - Madden (CNU), Brashears (SU), Crump (FC)
Utility - Van Sickler (SU)
DH - Dorton (FC) or Keener (CNU)
SP - Van Sickler (SU), Goldsmith (CNU)
Relief Pitcher - Fleischmann (CNU)

I'm not sure at other positions, but the OF is certainly stacked in the USAS. In addition to those guys above, you've got Vernon (CNU), Higgins (AU), Thigpen (MU), and DeHave (SU); all of which had really, really good seasons.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 12, 2011, 04:24:32 AM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 11, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
Is there an article out about the Piedmont move?  I can't find anything on their site or the GSAC site. Will they join after SU leaves after the 2012 season?

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.- The USA South Conference announced Monday that Piedmont College has accepted an invitation to join the conference as a full member beginning in the 2012-2013 academic year.

Because Shenandoah University is departing the USA South following the 2011-12 academic year, the conference needed to add another full member to retain NCAA tournament automatic qualification for each of its 14 sports.

Piedmont is located in Demorest, Ga., and is currently a member of the Great South Athletic Conference.

USA South is still awaiting word from two other Great South schools that were extended full membership offers by the presidents of the USA South institutions.

LaGrange College and Maryville College must inform the USA South if they accept the offer by May 1. If both accept, they would begin play within the USA South during the 2012-13 academic year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 12, 2011, 07:20:10 AM
Great addition, and their baseball stadium is a beautiful place!  It's worth the trip by itself.  It would be helpful if some other Atlanta area schools joined to make travel easier, and to give Piedmont some shorter trips.  Emory would be a good fit but no idea if there is any interest.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2011, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on April 12, 2011, 04:24:32 AM
FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.- The USA South Conference announced Monday that Piedmont College has accepted an invitation to join the conference as a full member beginning in the 2012-2013 academic year.

Because Shenandoah University is departing the USA South following the 2011-12 academic year, the conference needed to add another full member to retain NCAA tournament automatic qualification for each of its 14 sports.

Piedmont is located in Demorest, Ga., and is currently a member of the Great South Athletic Conference.

USA South is still awaiting word from two other Great South schools that were extended full membership offers by the presidents of the USA South institutions.

LaGrange College and Maryville College must inform the USA South if they accept the offer by May 1. If both accept, they would begin play within the USA South during the 2012-13 academic year.
whoa...that's big...if m'ville and lagrange accept invites, i anticipate cnu will likely leave for the cac...they might even if the others don't join - if cnu leaves, the usasac will be fine with regard to AQ status in all sports as long as m'ville and lagrange join
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2011, 01:51:53 PM
here are mine...

Coach - Anderson (SU)
POTY - Van Sickler (SU)
PiOTY- Van Sickler (SU)
ROTY - Davis (MU)

C - such (MU)
1b - beall (SU) (amazing conference-only numbers)
2b - shoemaker (CNU)
SS - inghram (MU)*
3b - nelson (SU)
OF - madden (CNU), brashears (SU), higgins (AU)
UT - van sickler (SU)
DH - thigpen (MU)
SP - van sickler (SU), chitsaz (CNU) (i don't think you can be an all-conference first teamer if you aren't a legit #1 on your own team...hence chitsaz over goldsmith)...also considered britt here, but chitsaz has better numbers and out-pitched britt head-to-head
RP - fleischmann (CNU) (pitched in 9 of 12 conference games, with 11 ip, 4 saves and 0 er...impressive)

*i see inghram getting the nod at ss...he is better defensively than rahm (.963 fld%, 120 asst, 7 errors vs. .908/84/13), he's got more speed (12 sb vs. 2...1 vs. 0 in conference) and despite a lower ba (.331/.282 vs. .339/.378), he drove in more runs overall (26 vs. 21...5 vs. 6 in conference) and scored more runs (33 vs. 24...8 vs. 9 in conference) for a team that didn't finish next-to-last in conference play (note the use of overall numbers...a practice i normally eschew unless the conference-only numbers are very close)

i'm not positive that the usasac even names a dh as all-conference, but my last OF slot was between higgins and thigpen...i went with higgins because he's got more speed than thigpen (although that's really the only offensive advantage he has over thigpen) and put thigpen in the dh slot since he actually dh'd for the monarchs a good bit - i gave keener and dorton a look at dh, but their conference-only numbers were very comparable to thigpen, but their overall numbers weren't nearly as impressive, so overall numbers "broke the tie" in my mind (plus, he's a monarch and i'm a bit biased)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 12, 2011, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: narch on April 12, 2011, 01:51:53 PM
here are mine...

Coach - Anderson (SU)
POTY - Van Sickler (SU)
PiOTY- Van Sickler (SU)
ROTY - Davis (MU)  

C - such (MU)
1b - beall (SU) (amazing conference-only numbers)
2b - shoemaker (CNU)
SS - inghram (MU)*
3b - nelson (SU)
OF - madden (CNU), brashears (SU), higgins (AU)
UT - van sickler (SU)
DH - thigpen (MU)
SP - van sickler (SU), chitsaz (CNU) (i don't think you can be an all-conference first teamer if you aren't a legit #1 on your own team...hence chitsaz over goldsmith)...also considered britt here, but chitsaz has better numbers and out-pitched britt head-to-head
RP - fleischmann (CNU) (pitched in 9 of 12 conference games, with 11 ip, 4 saves and 0 er...impressive)

*i see inghram getting the nod at ss...he is better defensively than rahm (.963 fld%, 120 asst, 7 errors vs. .908/84/13), he's got more speed (12 sb vs. 2...1 vs. 0 in conference) and despite a lower ba (.331/.282 vs. .339/.378), he drove in more runs overall (26 vs. 21...5 vs. 6 in conference) and scored more runs (33 vs. 24...8 vs. 9 in conference) for a team that didn't finish next-to-last in conference play (note the use of overall numbers...a practice i normally eschew unless the conference-only numbers are very close)

i'm not positive that the usasac even names a dh as all-conference, but my last OF slot was between higgins and thigpen...i went with higgins because he's got more speed than thigpen (although that's really the only offensive advantage he has over thigpen) and put thigpen in the dh slot since he actually dh'd for the monarchs a good bit - i gave keener and dorton a look at dh, but their conference-only numbers were very comparable to thigpen, but their overall numbers weren't nearly as impressive, so overall numbers "broke the tie" in my mind (plus, he's a monarch and i'm a bit biased)

Good call on that one....I had no idea he was a freshman and didnt bother to look him up. He deff has better conference numbers than Steele. He should be awarded it before Steele, but that may not happen as Steele manned the middle and had a decent rookie year for the #2  #4 team in the nation as a freshman...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 12, 2011, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: narch on April 12, 2011, 01:51:53 PM
here are mine...

Coach - Anderson (SU)
POTY - Van Sickler (SU)
PiOTY- Van Sickler (SU)
ROTY - Davis (MU)

C - such (MU)
1b - beall (SU) (amazing conference-only numbers)
2b - shoemaker (CNU)
SS - inghram (MU)*
3b - nelson (SU)
OF - madden (CNU), brashears (SU), higgins (AU)
UT - van sickler (SU)
DH - thigpen (MU)
SP - van sickler (SU), chitsaz (CNU) (i don't think you can be an all-conference first teamer if you aren't a legit #1 on your own team...hence chitsaz over goldsmith)...also considered britt here, but chitsaz has better numbers and out-pitched britt head-to-head
RP - fleischmann (CNU) (pitched in 9 of 12 conference games, with 11 ip, 4 saves and 0 er...impressive)

*i see inghram getting the nod at ss...he is better defensively than rahm (.963 fld%, 120 asst, 7 errors vs. .908/84/13), he's got more speed (12 sb vs. 2...1 vs. 0 in conference) and despite a lower ba (.331/.282 vs. .339/.378), he drove in more runs overall (26 vs. 21...5 vs. 6 in conference) and scored more runs (33 vs. 24...8 vs. 9 in conference) for a team that didn't finish next-to-last in conference play (note the use of overall numbers...a practice i normally eschew unless the conference-only numbers are very close)

i'm not positive that the usasac even names a dh as all-conference, but my last OF slot was between higgins and thigpen...i went with higgins because he's got more speed than thigpen (although that's really the only offensive advantage he has over thigpen) and put thigpen in the dh slot since he actually dh'd for the monarchs a good bit - i gave keener and dorton a look at dh, but their conference-only numbers were very comparable to thigpen, but their overall numbers weren't nearly as impressive, so overall numbers "broke the tie" in my mind (plus, he's a monarch and i'm a bit biased)

Agree on the Chitsay versus Goldsmith but Goldsmith had better numbers. As for Fleischmann 4 saves and 2 wins! and did it against each team.
As for the outfield there are so many good ones that I don't think you are wrong with any of the choices. Shortstop I had Rahm because of rep mostly.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 12, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
I would agree with you all on Davis; he did have exceptional numbers, and better numbers in conference. However, taking into account manning one of the toughest positions defensively, and finishing in the top 5 overall in the conference in RBI, Steel had a heck of a year as well.

I disagree on the Goldsmith issue. He certainly deserves to be 1st Team, and deserves high consideration for pitcher of the year voting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 12, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
I would agree with you all on Davis; he did have exceptional numbers, and better numbers in conference. However, taking into account manning one of the toughest positions defensively, and finishing in the top 5 overall in the conference in RBI, Steel had a heck of a year as well.
i won't disagree re: playing ss...but for a run producer, he didn't produce runs when it really counts (conference) - almost 25% of sergio davis' rbi's came in conference, and less than 10% of steel's rbi's came in conference - seeing what he did as a frosh at ss makes me believe that he could be pretty special before all is said and done

      avg   r   hr   rbi   ops   sb
steel   overall   0.320   27   2   33   0.869   1
   conf   0.250   4   0   3   0.622   0
                     
davis   overall   0.366   26   0   17   0.873   5
   conf   0.295   6   0   4   0.763   0

Quote from: PNeal7 on April 12, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
I disagree on the Goldsmith issue. He certainly deserves to be 1st Team, and deserves high consideration for pitcher of the year voting.
we'll agree to disagree, but if you're a first-team all-conference pitcher, that means you're one of the 2 best pitchers in the league...unless the #1 on your team is the other 1st teamer, i don't think a #2 should be first-team all-conference unless the numbers are through the roof
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 13, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
Ok here it is hot off the presses!

The 2011 USA South Baseball All-Conference Team:



First Team

1B - Nick Beall - Shenandoah
2B - Matt Shoemaker - Christopher Newport
3B - Quinn Finnegan - Greensboro
SS - Kurt Krout - Shenandoah
C - Keaton Neeb - Shenandoah
DH - Steven Keener - Christopher Newport
Util - Greg Van Sickler - Shenandoah
OF - Kevin Brashears - Shenandoah
OF - Adam Higgins - Averett
OF - Connor Madden - Christopher Newport
P - Greg Goldsmith - Christopher Newport
P - Greg Van Sickler - Shenandoah
RP - Ryan Fleischmann - Christopher Newport

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 13, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
Coach of the Year- K. Anderson  (SU):D
Player/Pitcher of the Year- G. Van Sickler (SU)
Rookie Player of the Year- S. Davis (MU)
Rookie Pitcher of the Year- M. Judge (MU)


SU reigns supreme.... :)


Oh, and the future seems bright for MU...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 13, 2011, 03:08:51 PM
Big surprise to me at 3b. I don't see how the GC kid is deserving over a number of other 3b's in the conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
wow...based upon the apparent lack of talent on the mu squad, it's amazing they finished 3rd in the conference...perhaps coach austin should have been named coty for the miracle he performed :)

such deserved 1st team by a hair over neeb for his superior power numbers, but that really is splitting hairs...neeb can play

i overlooked krout...he clearly was the top ss statistically, but i think that inghram is better than rahm or jaglowski...amazed that inghram wasn't 2nd team, let alone not even an hm selection

keener vs. thigpen at dh is questionable, as well - here are the numbers:
thigpen
overall: .385, 36 r, 4 hr, 30 rbi, 1.032 ops
conf: .326, 10 r, 1 hr, 7 rbi, .824 ops

keener
overall: .291, 19 r, 4 hr, 20 rbi, .994 ops
conf: .269, 4 r, 2 hr, 9 rbi, 1.066 ops

i see little difference in these 2 in conference contests (keener has more hr's and rbi's and a higher ops, but not by much...while thigpen scored a lot more runs and had a much higher ba) – in that case, i think you have to look at overall numbers, and there really isn't much comparison between the two there...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 13, 2011, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
wow...based upon the apparent lack of talent on the mu squad, it's amazing they finished 3rd in the conference...perhaps coach austin should have been named coty for the miracle he performed :)

such deserved 1st team by a hair over neeb for his superior power numbers, but that really is splitting hairs...neeb can play

i overlooked krout...he clearly was the top ss statistically, but i think that inghram is better than rahm or jaglowski...amazed that inghram wasn't 2nd team, let alone not even an hm selection

keener vs. thigpen at dh is questionable, as well - here are the numbers:
thigpen
overall: .385, 36 r, 4 hr, 30 rbi, 1.032 ops
conf: .326, 10 r, 1 hr, 7 rbi, .824 ops

keener
overall: .291, 19 r, 4 hr, 20 rbi, .994 ops
conf: .269, 4 r, 2 hr, 9 rbi, 1.066 ops

i see little difference in these 2 in conference contests (keener has more hr's and rbi's and a higher ops, but not by much...while thigpen scored a lot more runs and had a much higher ba) – in that case, i think you have to look at overall numbers, and there really isn't much comparison between the two there...

Depends on how they looked at those "power numbers"....though Such had 9 HRs overall, only 2 came in conference play. Neeb had a HR in conf play to go along with 5 or 6 doubles (Compared to Such's 1) and the rest of the statistical categories show neeb deserved the nod over Such.
Guess it just depends on whether or not ya looked at it through a bias lens or not...



You guys are funny btw, you want to dock me Karma points....yet I see no replies....hmmm :'(
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 13, 2011, 04:44:55 PM
I would agree with Such over Neeb at C. I will also agree that I think Ingram should have gotten something at SS, especially over Jaglowski, whom numbers wise did not have much of a year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 13, 2011, 03:39:15 PM
Guess it just depends on whether or not ya looked at it through a bias lens or not...
such: conference, 4 hr, 11 rbi, 1.176 ops
neeb: conference, 2 hr, 13 rbi, 1.028 ops (with a ba that was almost 40 pts higher)

you can't bias those numbers...such hit for more power in conference games, as well as non-conference games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
There numbers were very close and you could argue it either way. Since the offensive numbers were so close maybe the coaches took into consideration who the better defensive catcher is. Neeb is hands down the better defensive catcher between the two. Looks like finally the the coaches voted on stats and not reputation.


Narch, dont get too caught up in the fact that MU doesnt have any first teamers. If I recall correctly, in the 2009 season we (SU) had 1 first teamer, 1 second teamer, and like 4 or 5 honorbale mentions and we had a decent post season ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 09:28:29 PM
As for Inghram....................

Krout-        410BA         3Hr            15Rbi
Rahm-        378BA         1Hr             6Rbi
Jaglowski-   318BA         0hr            9Rbi
Inghram-    282BA         1Hr            5Rbi


Looking at these stats, Inghram got out performed by all three of these shortstops in conference. He hit one more bomb than jaglowski but ill take the four more rbi's over one bomb any day. Thats what happens when coaches vote the right way on numbers and not REPUTATION! So i honestly dont see how you figure he deserved it? Other than the fact your being biased like you have been the last three years I have been reading this board :P
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 13, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 13, 2011, 03:39:15 PM
Guess it just depends on whether or not ya looked at it through a bias lens or not...
such: conference, 4 hr, 11 rbi, 1.176 ops
neeb: conference, 2 hr, 13 rbi, 1.028 ops (with a ba that was almost 40 pts higher)

you can't bias those numbers...such hit for more power in conference games, as well as non-conference games

My mistake on the HR numbers Narch....Must have misread them as I was trying to get outta the office in a hurry...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2011, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 09:28:29 PM
As for Inghram....................

Krout-        410BA         3Hr            15Rbi
Rahm-        378BA         1Hr             6Rbi
Jaglowski-   318BA         0hr            9Rbi
Inghram-    282BA         1Hr            5Rbi


Looking at these stats, Inghram got out performed by all three of these shortstops in conference. He hit one more bomb than jaglowski but ill take the four more rbi's over one bomb any day. Thats what happens when coaches vote the right way on numbers and not REPUTATION! So i honestly dont see how you figure he deserved it? Other than the fact your being biased like you have been the last three years I have been reading this board :P
I've been biased for a lot more than three years, and i freely admit my bias :)

i think that when you compare rahm and inghram, there is little difference in their conference numbers (other than average, which is somewhat overrated if it doesn't lead to more runs...and in conference, rahm scored one more run and drove in one more)...i've already compared rahm and inghram below (1:51:53 yesterday) - personal bias aside, i think inghram is the better ss
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
If I had to pick a SS for my team and had to chose between those two then I would take Inghram b/c I agree that he probably is the better shortstop....

But all conference voting should be based on the numbers they put up THIS year.......

If Rahm has 1 more rbi and 1 more run scored with a batting avg that is almost 100 points higher I dont see how you can disagree with this selection.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 13, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 13, 2011, 03:39:15 PM
Guess it just depends on whether or not ya looked at it through a bias lens or not...
such: conference, 4 hr, 11 rbi, 1.176 ops
neeb: conference, 2 hr, 13 rbi, 1.028 ops (with a ba that was almost 40 pts higher)

you can't bias those numbers...such hit for more power in conference games, as well as non-conference games

My mistake on the HR numbers Narch....Must have misread them as I was trying to get outta the office in a hurry...
Bossman dont act like you got an office job
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
If I had to pick a SS for my team and had to chose between those two then I would take Inghram b/c I agree that he probably is the better shortstop....

But all conference voting should be based on the numbers they put up THIS year.......

If Rahm has 1 more rbi and 1 more run scored with a batting avg that is almost 100 points higher I dont see how you can disagree with this selection.
you're arguing out of both sides of your keyboard here...if neeb is deserving of 1st team because he's better defensively (despite inferior offensive numbers than such), why is it that inghram can't get the nod over rahm despite 1 fewer run and 1 fewer rbi in a 12 game sample (his overall offensive numbers were better than rahm's in almost every offensive category) despite being a clearly better defensive shortstop? you can't have it both ways...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 13, 2011, 10:49:35 PM
Enough already about the all-conf picks.  It's over - congrats to the picks and now let's talk about what really matters - the conference tournament.   Anyone willing to post their picks in the first round?  I'll give mine:

Game 1) I think GC can beat AU in a single game - GU
Game 2) Toughest match-up - NCWC upset if Knowles pitches - otherwise MU
Game 3) CNU
Game 4) SU over GC

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 11:24:26 PM
Neeb has 2 more rbis and 8 more runs scored than such. So I dont think that you have an agrument there. Either way, all four are good ball players. Perhaps I am being a little biased myself.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 14, 2011, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 11, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
It seems to me the tournament would make more sense to put #6 vs #7, then have the loser of that play #1. Then you could have #2 vs #5, and #3 vs #4. I find it strange that 2 middle of the pack teams might have to play twice in the 1st day. With that logic, it's better to finish #7 than it is #4 or #5.

Maybe that's too much of a giveaway to the 1 seed?

And no it's not better to finish at the 7 because you would then have to play a better team in the first round.

You can look at it the other way...if you beat the 1 seed, then you're in quite decent shape for having lost a game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 01:44:15 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 14, 2011, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 11, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
It seems to me the tournament would make more sense to put #6 vs #7, then have the loser of that play #1. Then you could have #2 vs #5, and #3 vs #4. I find it strange that 2 middle of the pack teams might have to play twice in the 1st day. With that logic, it's better to finish #7 than it is #4 or #5.

Maybe that's too much of a giveaway to the 1 seed?

And no it's not better to finish at the 7 because you would then have to play a better team in the first round.

You can look at it the other way...if you beat the 1 seed, then you're in quite decent shape for having lost a game.
I see what Pneal7 is saying.........more than likely the 4 or 5 seed will be sent home after the first day while the 7 seed is going to be back for the second day........It really doesnt make much sense to me either that the 4 seed will possibly be going home after day one while the 7 is guaranteed a second day
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 14, 2011, 07:24:18 AM
I would say it's clearly better to finish #7, than it is #4 or #5. If you finish as a #7 seed, if you lose on Day 1 at the tournament, you still get to play in Day 2. As a #4 or #5 seed, if you lose the early game on Day 1, you have to come back and face the #1 seed and their ace. I agree with you that if by some chance the #4 or #5 seed tops the #1 seed in that late game, they are in decent shape for losing a game; BUT, they've already burned through their #1 and #2 pitchers, and likely logged some IP on their top notch arms in the bullpen.

For years I've said the ultimate "this sucks" feeling had to be being the #4 or #5 seed when Kenny Moreland was a SR; knowing that if you lost the morning game your reward was facing him that evening in an elimination game (No Offense Back2Back, I know this was you all). I'm also sure the same goes for the team that gets to face SU in the night game this year; although, with what they did last year, I doubt that Van Sickler will be on the bump on Thursday night.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 14, 2011, 07:24:18 AM
I would say it's clearly better to finish #7, than it is #4 or #5. If you finish as a #7 seed, if you lose on Day 1 at the tournament, you still get to play in Day 2. As a #4 or #5 seed, if you lose the early game on Day 1, you have to come back and face the #1 seed and their ace. I agree with you that if by some chance the #4 or #5 seed tops the #1 seed in that late game, they are in decent shape for losing a game; BUT, they've already burned through their #1 and #2 pitchers, and likely logged some IP on their top notch arms in the bullpen.

For years I've said the ultimate "this sucks" feeling had to be being the #4 or #5 seed when Kenny Moreland was a SR; knowing that if you lost the morning game your reward was facing him that evening in an elimination game (No Offense Back2Back, I know this was you all). I'm also sure the same goes for the team that gets to face SU in the night game this year; although, with what they did last year, I doubt that Van Sickler will be on the bump on Thursday night.
Haha none taken.....and the "this sucks" feeling is an UNDERSTATEMENT when put in that situation
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 11:08:41 AM
If I know Coach Anderson like I think I do then there is no chance Van Sickler will be on the bump tonight. He will probably throw game 2, however depending on who they get in that second game he may try to save him for game 3 to put them in the championship.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 14, 2011, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 13, 2011, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 13, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 13, 2011, 03:39:15 PM
Guess it just depends on whether or not ya looked at it through a bias lens or not...
such: conference, 4 hr, 11 rbi, 1.176 ops
neeb: conference, 2 hr, 13 rbi, 1.028 ops (with a ba that was almost 40 pts higher)

you can't bias those numbers...such hit for more power in conference games, as well as non-conference games

My mistake on the HR numbers Narch....Must have misread them as I was trying to get outta the office in a hurry...
Bossman dont act like you got an office job


Haha, Funny guy....Glad to see you finally got up today, first post....11:05 am haha
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 14, 2011, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 13, 2011, 10:49:35 PM
Enough already about the all-conf picks.  It's over - congrats to the picks and now let's talk about what really matters - the conference tournament.   Anyone willing to post their picks in the first round?  I'll give mine:

Game 1) I think GC can beat AU in a single game - GU
Game 2) Toughest match-up - NCWC upset if Knowles pitches - otherwise MU
Game 3) CNU
Game 4) SU over GC



I know the first game is pretty much over already but here are mine..

Game 1: Averett over GC...and yes I saw the score in the 7th but would have took AU before hand
Game 2: MU over NCWC...watch out for MU..i think they have the pitching(held both CNU and SU under 6 runs in every game..its a matter of if they hit enough which i think Such and ingram will lead the way
Game 3: CNU over Ferrum..cnu shouldnt have any trouble with ferrum
Game 4 SU over GC...su will cruise to a victory..GC out

Game 5: NCWC over Ferrum..close game but NCWC gets the right to play another game..ferrum out
Game 6:CNU over Methodist..really close game and low scoring game but cnu gets by
Game 7: SU over Averett..Su will hit around AU #2
Game 8: MU over NCWC...i think MU a better team so i give the game to MU

Game 9: SU over Cnu...a toss up between these two teams but i got to take su
Game 10: Cnu over Mu...go run by Mu but run out of pitching..Cnu back to the championship game
Game 11: Cnu over Su in game one but SU gets it done in the second game

SU Champs but watch out for CNU and MU b/c they could easily be at the top
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 14, 2011, 12:37:17 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 11:08:41 AM
If I know Coach Anderson like I think I do then there is no chance Van Sickler will be on the bump tonight. He will probably throw game 2, however depending on who they get in that second game he may try to save him for game 3 to put them in the championship.

Thinking the same Back2back...it will probably be Vince Claudio or maybe even Brain Goddard...just hope they dont look to their next opponent bc anything can happen in the conf tourny
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
I have just recieved word that CNU has disgustingly dyed their hair blonde again.....You couldnt talk them out of it Pneal? haha
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 14, 2011, 02:30:23 PM
Neeb got it because he's so more athletic!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 14, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
Well, since I'm no longer a paying member of the University, and I don't have much say in their hair style. BUT, if it brings home a championship, I'd think it be perfectly fine to die them hot pink.

It looks like the NCWC v MU game is a good one.

As far as the Such v Neeb comments; I did not see Such behind the plate this year (although I will see him this summer), but I did see Neeb. Neeb was good defensively behind the plate; however, if you ask me to take any C out of the conference I'm taking Such without a doubt. I have seen them both hit recently, and despite comparable numbers, I think Such is hands down a superior hitter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
If he is hands down a superior hitter then there numbers shouldnt be so camparable.............The only advantage Such has on Neeb is power and that should be expected when you look at how much bigger he is. Ive played agaisnt Such and saw him play one game this year. He is lazy at times behind the plate. Neeb doesnt take one play off the whole game and goes all out the whole game. If I have to pick between the two catchers I am taking Neeb.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2011, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
If he is hands down a superior hitter then there numbers shouldnt be so camparable.............The only advantage Such has on Neeb is power
it seems we agree :)

and the word is their

Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PMsuch deserved 1st team by a hair over neeb for his superior power numbers, but that really is splitting hairs...neeb can play

monarchs are up 3-0 going into the 9th...i hope they can hold on!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 14, 2011, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 14, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
Well, since I'm no longer a paying member of the University, and I don't have much say in their hair style. BUT, if it brings home a championship, I'd think it be perfectly fine to die them hot pink.

It looks like the NCWC v MU game is a good one.

As far as the Such v Neeb comments; I did not see Such behind the plate this year (although I will see him this summer), but I did see Neeb. Neeb was good defensively behind the plate; however, if you ask me to take any C out of the conference I'm taking Such without a doubt. I have seen them both hit recently, and despite comparable numbers, I think Such is hands down a superior hitter.

I'm going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you on this one PNeal and agree with "Back2Back".  As far as a SUPERIOR hitter, I wouldn't go that far.  Yes Such has WAY more power than Neeb, but Neeb did post the hitting numbers he needed to get the nod for 1st team Catcher.  And there is no comparison whatsoever in their defensive ability.  Such is a good guy and i respect him a lot as a player, but if Tom Austin didn't have his pitchers hold runners SO DAMN WELL, then it would be a track meet against Such.  He's a wall behind the plate, but he is like 6'4" 200+ lbs.  For a small kid, Neeb is a machine behind the plate and Such's arm isn't anywhere close to that of Neeb's. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CafeBordeaux on April 14, 2011, 03:07:21 PM
I will go ahead and state that I am surprised that Van Sickler got the nod for both Player and Pitcher of the Year.  Don't think he deserved both.  Thought Pitcher would maybe go to Goldsmith. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 14, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on April 14, 2011, 03:07:21 PM
I will go ahead and state that I am surprised that Van Sickler got the nod for both Player and Pitcher of the Year.  Don't think he deserved both.  Thought Pitcher would maybe go to Goldsmith. 

I am not at all. This puts him in a solid position to possibly be the National Player of the Year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: narch on April 14, 2011, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
If he is hands down a superior hitter then there numbers shouldnt be so camparable.............The only advantage Such has on Neeb is power
it seems we agree :)

and the word is their

Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PMsuch deserved 1st team by a hair over neeb for his superior power numbers, but that really is splitting hairs...neeb can play

monarchs are up 3-0 going into the 9th...i hope they can hold on!
If correcting my grammer makes you feel better then feel free........Looks like you guys had a solid outing on the bump today
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: CafeBordeaux on April 14, 2011, 03:07:21 PM
I will go ahead and state that I am surprised that Van Sickler got the nod for both Player and Pitcher of the Year.  Don't think he deserved both.  Thought Pitcher would maybe go to Goldsmith. 

I am not at all. This puts him in a solid position to possibly be the National Player of the Year.
If he gets a Win in the conference tourny, a Win in regionals, and SU makes it back to the world series then I think he will be the National Player of the Year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 14, 2011, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: narch on April 14, 2011, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
If he is hands down a superior hitter then there numbers shouldnt be so camparable.............The only advantage Such has on Neeb is power
it seems we agree :)

and the word is their

Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PMsuch deserved 1st team by a hair over neeb for his superior power numbers, but that really is splitting hairs...neeb can play

monarchs are up 3-0 going into the 9th...i hope they can hold on!
If correcting my grammer makes you feel better then feel free........Looks like you guys had a solid outing on the bump today

Grammar:)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 03:27:06 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2011, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: narch on April 14, 2011, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
If he is hands down a superior hitter then there numbers shouldnt be so camparable.............The only advantage Such has on Neeb is power
it seems we agree :)

and the word is their

Quote from: narch on April 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PMsuch deserved 1st team by a hair over neeb for his superior power numbers, but that really is splitting hairs...neeb can play

monarchs are up 3-0 going into the 9th...i hope they can hold on!
If correcting my grammer makes you feel better then feel free........Looks like you guys had a solid outing on the bump today

Grammar:)
lol.......thank you
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 14, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
I will give you that Neeb is better behind the plate. I may even go as far as to say Such might fit better at a 1b role, as he was during his FR campaign. However, I still believe Such is a much superior hitter. I'm not strictly going off of numbers, as I know their numbers were comparable. BUT, playing in the conference (as many of you previously did) and watching these guys go up against our pitching, along with watching them this year, I believe Such is a few steps ahead of Neeb in the offensive category.

This may also be a biased opinion, as I need Such to put up some big numbers for my collegiate wood-bat summer team this summer (Valley League).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 14, 2011, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
I have just recieved word that CNU has disgustingly dyed their hair blonde again.....You couldnt talk them out of it Pneal? haha

Hahaha..did the whole team do it this year or about 50% like last year making it even more ridiculous.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 14, 2011, 11:31:45 PM
SUBALL.....From what I heard it was the whole team haha.......quite embarassing if you ask me but to each his own.........I will say I respect the players on CNU who did not dye their hair last year....they made a smart decision
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 15, 2011, 12:22:14 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 14, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
I will give you that Neeb is better behind the plate. I may even go as far as to say Such might fit better at a 1b role, as he was during his FR campaign. However, I still believe Such is a much superior hitter. I'm not strictly going off of numbers, as I know their numbers were comparable. BUT, playing in the conference (as many of you previously did) and watching these guys go up against our pitching, along with watching them this year, I believe Such is a few steps ahead of Neeb in the offensive category.

This may also be a biased opinion, as I need Such to put up some big numbers for my collegiate wood-bat summer team this summer (Valley League).

Neeb is a stud, he will put up legit numbers this summer for the Winchester Royals!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 01:49:14 AM
Does anyone know why Averett and CNU had their aces throw complete games in non-competitive contests? Moore could have gotten away only throwing 5 easy innings and Chitsaz 5-6 and have a chance to have them throw later in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 07:49:02 AM
Should SU and CNU take care of business in their early games today, it appears Van Sickler will get a chance to redeem his only loss of the season as I think KA may not start him again in game against Averett...Although not pitching your ace in hopes of winning without him is very risky. If SU does it and pulls off the win in game two they should be in pretty good shape to repeat in Burlington. With that being said, I don't believe CNU gets by Methodist in their 2nd game and Van Sickler actually gets to throw against MU in the night cap.           :o ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 08:08:15 AM
I guess I just assumed VanSickler would throw against Averett. Didn't even think about that possibility, but it could be true.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2011, 08:26:40 AM
does anyone know who writes up the game stories for the tournament? is it still school sid's, or someone from the conference/host school? if the same person wrote up the cnu and mu recaps, tre britt got the short end of the stick :)

QuoteTre' Britt pitched eight scoreless innings scattering four hits for the win.

QuoteSenior ace Sean Chitsaz set the tone for Christopher Newport University (32-4) in the 2011 USA South Tournament, as he hurled his first career complete game shutout and led the Captains to a 7-0 win over seventh-seeded Ferrum today....Chitsaz was brilliant, giving up just four hits, including two seeing-eye singles, and he struck out five in the game. He was efficient, tossing just over 100 pitches in the shutout, and kept the ball on the ground, recording 13 groundouts... He allowed only two baserunners to reach second in the game.

while he didn't throw a complete game and only struck out one, britt was equally brilliant, allowing 4 hits and just 2 runners to reach 2nd and walking none in a game where his brilliance was needed (mu had a 1-0 lead after 7.5 innings
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 08:32:52 AM
Well, SU did throw what is equivalent to their 3rd or 4th starter yesterday based on how Anderson has managed the staff all season. V. Claudio is the #2 who has thrown the sunday matchups all year long....Goddard(Last night's game 1 starter) was usually a mid-week guy along with Hendrickson (Who very well could be their #3, with the numbers he put up this spring)...It's hard to tell what KA will do, but it would not surprise me one bit if Claudio started game two,Van Sickler has game 3 and Hendrickson pitches the championship game. Could very well happen...if SU shows up to play each and every game. A Sluggish start like last night will send them packing in no time today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 08:35:22 AM
Narch: I am pretty sure that CNU wrote up that recount of the game.  It was also posted on cnusports.com.  So MU may have given their ace the short end of the stick.  Tre Britt was brilliant as well...

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 08:38:48 AM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 08:26:40 AM
does anyone know who writes up the game stories for the tournament? is it still school sid's, or someone from the conference/host school? if the same person wrote up the cnu and mu recaps, tre britt got the short end of the stick :)

QuoteTre' Britt pitched eight scoreless innings scattering four hits for the win.

QuoteSenior ace Sean Chitsaz set the tone for Christopher Newport University (32-4) in the 2011 USA South Tournament, as he hurled his first career complete game shutout and led the Captains to a 7-0 win over seventh-seeded Ferrum today....Chitsaz was brilliant, giving up just four hits, including two seeing-eye singles, and he struck out five in the game. He was efficient, tossing just over 100 pitches in the shutout, and kept the ball on the ground, recording 13 groundouts... He allowed only two baserunners to reach second in the game.

while he didn't throw a complete game and only struck out one, britt was equally brilliant, allowing 4 hits and just 2 runners to reach 2nd and walking none in a game where his brilliance was needed (mu had a 1-0 lead after 7.5 innings


You think MU gets it done today vs. CNU??? Who do you think you guys will have on the bump?

I want to say it's the respective school's SID because SU has the same press release on their website that's posted on the tourney site. I've read almost every game's recap throughout the season and it seems to sound pretty close to how is has all year long. Just a guess though...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 15, 2011, 08:45:18 AM
I believe CNU gets it done vs MU today. They have their 1st Team All-Conference Pitcher, whom should have received much consideration in Pitcher of the Year, on the bump. I think CNU gets it done.

It doesn't surprise me at all to see KA not throw Van Sickler, and I highly doubt Van Sickler will throw today. It's a gutsy move to not throw your #1 in the tournament opener, especially when he could potentially come back on short rest and throw in the championship.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 15, 2011, 08:45:18 AM
I believe CNU gets it done vs MU today. They have their 1st Team All-Conference Pitcher, whom should have received much consideration in Pitcher of the Year, on the bump. I think CNU gets it done.

It doesn't surprise me at all to see KA not throw Van Sickler, and I highly doubt Van Sickler will throw today. It's a gutsy move to not throw your #1 in the tournament opener, especially when he could potentially come back on short rest and throw in the championship.

I was just making a bold prediction with the MU/CNU winner. Today's gonna be a good day for baseball, wish I wasn't in this office haha. And isn't that the truth with the Van Sickler situation if that's how it does unfold(him not going in game two) and SU DOESNT get it done the way they planned.....They could be in a world of trouble.  :o


On a side note PNeal7....Winner of MU/CNU and SU/AU play the late game tonight, which has been moved up a day due to the forecasted bad weather in Burlington according to the tourney site...So, Van Sickler should throw at some point today...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 15, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: bossman on April 15, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 15, 2011, 08:45:18 AM
I believe CNU gets it done vs MU today. They have their 1st Team All-Conference Pitcher, whom should have received much consideration in Pitcher of the Year, on the bump. I think CNU gets it done.

It doesn't surprise me at all to see KA not throw Van Sickler, and I highly doubt Van Sickler will throw today. It's a gutsy move to not throw your #1 in the tournament opener, especially when he could potentially come back on short rest and throw in the championship.

I was just making a bold prediction with the MU/CNU winner. Today's gonna be a good day for baseball, wish I wasn't in this office haha. And isn't that the truth with the Van Sickler situation if that's how it does unfold(him not going in game two) and SU DOESNT get it done the way they planned.....They could be in a world of trouble.  :o


On a side note PNeal7....Winner of MU/CNU and SU/AU play the late game tonight, which has been moved up a day due to the forecasted bad weather in Burlington according to the tourney site...So, Van Sickler should throw at some point today...
Man, I hope I get an office job that allows me to play on the computer all day...haha.....As much as I would like to see Van Sickler throw against CNU again I dont think it will happen. Van Sickler is a guy who really needs his 4 or 5 days rest to be effective so that is another reason why he didnt throw game 1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 11:30:59 AM
Haha, get a comp degree and you can  :D
Good thing my MU/CNU winner was only a hopeful prediction and not a bet, CNU's all over MU 6-0 bottom 6....ouch.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 15, 2011, 11:32:05 AM
CNU up 6-0 in the 6th over MU. The MIF for CNU have both homered, and Shoemaker hit a 2-Run shot and Steel hit a solo. CNU has to be excited about the type of year their middle infield has had, and both are back next year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
12-0 now.

Have to ask again, why Goldsmith stayed in the game up 9-0. You may need these guys for an inning or two on the last day of the tournament and if they throw 120-130 pitches in a start it's going to be pretty tough for them to have much.

I can understand not wanting to burn a pitcher but everyone has some guys at the end of their bench that can throw an inning. Heck some relievers probably could use some work.

I just don't get it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
Well Chitsaz threw under 100 pitches and I doubt Goldsmith got anywhere close to the 120-130 you mention. Probably well under 100.  He had 2 BBs. Not too many Ks.  70 or 80 pitches is enough to require serious rest so what's the difference?  Hopefully some of those ace relievers will step up now.  They are plenty rested.

Other than that, I guess the only genius coach in the conference is Anderson :-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
Well Chitsaz threw under 100 pitches and I doubt Goldsmith got anywhere close to the 120-130 you mention. Probably well under 100.  He had 2 BBs. Not too many Ks.  70 or 80 pitches is enough to require serious rest so what's the difference?  Hopefully some of those ace relievers will step up now.  They are plenty rested.

Other than that, I guess the only genius coach in the conference is Anderson :-)

He was Coach of the Year  ;D

hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 15, 2011, 12:40:07 PM
I take a different approach. I like what Harvell did with leaving them in the game, that way you do not burn through the bullpen at all. If they are throwing well, leave them out there and don't log IP on the RP that you don't need to. With the Chitaz game, a 7 run ball game is not a given W in the tournament, as all of us know anything can happen. I like the idea of leaving them out there, as not CNU heads into game 3 of the tournament with 0 IP on the best bullpen in the conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
Well Chitsaz threw under 100 pitches and I doubt Goldsmith got anywhere close to the 120-130 you mention. Probably well under 100.  He had 2 BBs. Not too many Ks.  70 or 80 pitches is enough to require serious rest so what's the difference?  Hopefully some of those ace relievers will step up now.  They are plenty rested.

Other than that, I guess the only genius coach in the conference is Anderson :-)

You said Chitsaz threw under 100 pitches? Do you have a citation for that? I was going off Boydsworld's estimator which put him at 117. Being under 100 would be a surprising considering the estimator is usually if anything a touch low.

You're right about Goldsmith. I didn't realize they would stop the game after 7, which might be the most amateur thing I've ever seen in tournament baseball. Estimator for him is 90. I'll now agree that for him it wouldn't have mattered much because they got the mercy rule. But they could have saved a good 30-40 pitches on Chitsaz.

And Averett could have taken Moore out after 5 and he would have only thrown I'm guessing 50-60 pitches, easily making him available later on.

As for Anderson, if he doesn't throw Van Sickler that's a huge risk. With his offense, maybe it's one worth taking, but I'm guessing until a dropped fly ball, it wasn't looking like it in the first game.

ETA: Obviously in this situation you don't throw anyone you feel like you're going to need for enough time to wear them out. 1 inning, 2 innings at most.

IMO with the way things have changed, 7 runs in a professional-sized ballpark is pretty safe.

The way I've always looked at it...if those guys were better than your weekend starters, they wouldn't be bullpen guys no matter how "good" they are. I want my aces available as often as possible, even if it's for just an inning.

Sometimes I think the southern teams aren't as adept at this sort of thing because they don't have to deal with it during the year. Maybe that's why the only recent southern team to win the championship was one that had such a good overall pitching staff that it just didn't matter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
I misread the game report on Chitsaz: (sorry)

"He was efficient, tossing just over 100 pitches in the shutout, and kept the ball on the ground, recording 13 groundouts. "

But only 1 BB and 5Ks. So I would say he didn't throw too many over 100.  Regardless, he may not be a guy who can come back on extremely short rest even after 60, 70 or 80 pitches.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 01:19:00 PM
I too have faith in Coach Harvell's decisions, mensa or not.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2011, 01:20:06 PM
the captains sure do have the monarchs number this season...in 3 games, the monarchs have scored a grand total of 0 runs

i think ka feels pretty confident about his chances of guiding the hornets into the regional, regardless of what happens this weekend, so keeping van sickler rested and on his normal "routine" is probably a bigger priority than winning the tournament - if they can win the tournament while doing so...bonus

that being said, i picked cnu before the tournament because i thought they had superior pitching depth, and i'm thinking that way even more after having seen the way they've played offensively in these two games...

the monarchs get to play the bishops for the 4th time this year...ugh...at least knowles won't pitch this evening
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 15, 2011, 01:25:16 PM
I agree Narch. I think it's obvious that regardless of the tournament outcome, both CNU and SU are into Regionals. Boths teams certainly would love to get that ring on their finger though; I know I sure would have loved more than 1!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
I misread the game report on Chitsaz: (sorry)

"He was efficient, tossing just over 100 pitches in the shutout, and kept the ball on the ground, recording 13 groundouts. "

But only 1 BB and 5Ks. So I would say he didn't throw too many over 100.  Regardless, he may not be a guy who can come back on extremely short rest even after 60, 70 or 80 pitches.

Has there ever been opportunity to find out? CNU hasn't thrown their top guys in relief (outside of early in the year before they've become the top guys, or just getting early season work) since 2006. They apparently just don't do it.

ETA: Both teams are surely in the regional, but only 1 can be the top seed, which is certainly worth playing for, especially with the 7 team regional out there. Since they split the regular season, I would imagine the tournament winner or whoever makes it furthest would end up being that top seed. Doesn't look to be too much opportunity for one of them to be a top seed elsewhere.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 01:32:16 PM
The game is underway and Van Sickler is on the mound. (At least according to live stats)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 15, 2011, 01:32:16 PM
The game is underway and Van Sickler is on the mound. (At least according to live stats)

Averett throws a bit of a curveball though, going with Matt Mitchell. He is their ERA leader and is 5-0, but only 4th on the team in innings pitched. Looks like usually a midweek guy. Guess the multiple plasterings they took in the regular season to Shenandoah convinced Ed Fulton to maybe try changing it up and see if that works better.

And he starts with your everyday 1-2-3 inning: HBP, 1-3 picked off, BB, F-8, then the guy that walked is out 2-4 caught stealing. Every day. :)
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Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Anyone at the game that can explain what in the heck Shenandoah is doing?

5 outs on the bases in the first 4 innings.

Mitchell's line is 4IP, 6H, 2R, 2ER, 4BB, 0K. He's gotten a total of 7 people out at bat.

Terrible.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 15, 2011, 04:04:39 PM
Shenandoah wins, 2-1, despite leaving 11 on base and losing 5 on the bases.

Game should have been over early but the mistakes kept Averett in it, and they had runners in scoring position in the 8th and 9th.

So far this tournament is not exactly making Shenandoah look invincible.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Hey, You dont always play your best ball everytime out...but, you find a way to get it done. Sign of a good team my friend. They're not 30-2 for nothing.

Although I do agree they have looked sloppy early on.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on April 15, 2011, 05:18:57 PM
I have to think Harvell feels CNU is already in the regionals and therefore would not take a chance with Chitzas or Goldsmith coming back on short rest no matter how many pitches they threw.  Agree with Narch on that.  That means Bierlien vs Claudio (I guess) in the game tonight. Let's hope the Captains bats continue to pound away.  They've looked pretty tough against a couple pretty good starters so far.

Any chance one of these two will get shipped to Marietta or Kean for regionals?  That is the rumor going around down in Burlington.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 05:35:40 PM
To my nemesis, be fair.  I haven't posted since April 5 (and that was nothing to get upset about), but you've gone in daily for the last week to 10 days and dinged me.  Did I do something to tick you off?  I "get" karma and smiting, but I don't understand smiting when you don't post anything.  :)

There once was a poster who's read
With humor and insight and dread.
He said "Was I clever
Or will I forever
Get hit with a smite when I'm dead!?"
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
nice comeback for the monarchs...down 5-0 after 2 and win 12-8, eliminating ncwc...the monarchs have gone through a ton of pitching in 3 games, making winning the whole thing difficult, but the ARE still alive...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
nice comeback for the monarchs...down 5-0 after 2 and win 12-8, eliminating ncwc...the monarchs have gone through a ton of pitching in 3 games, making winning the whole thing difficult, but the ARE still alive...
Hey narch, I don't think I've seen MU's baseball facility.  Where is it in relation to either the soccer field or the gym/football area?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2011, 10:33:26 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
nice comeback for the monarchs...down 5-0 after 2 and win 12-8, eliminating ncwc...the monarchs have gone through a ton of pitching in 3 games, making winning the whole thing difficult, but the ARE still alive...
Hey narch, I don't think I've seen MU's baseball facility.  Where is it in relation to either the soccer field or the gym/football area?
down the hill, past the gym, tennis courts, softball field and across from the golf course
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 10:33:26 PM
Quote from: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
nice comeback for the monarchs...down 5-0 after 2 and win 12-8, eliminating ncwc...the monarchs have gone through a ton of pitching in 3 games, making winning the whole thing difficult, but the ARE still alive...
Hey narch, I don't think I've seen MU's baseball facility.  Where is it in relation to either the soccer field or the gym/football area?
down the hill, past the gym, tennis courts, softball field and across from the golf course
OK, thanks.  Next time I'm there for football or basketball, I'll check it out.  I know your soccer area looks great and, as you know, football's a work in progress.  Good luck to the baseball Monarchs in the postseason.  I'm helping with the DIII golf National tournament at Grandover (Greensboro) in May - I fully expect to see MU there!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 10:54:39 PM
Hey bossman, +1 for you.  Keep posting.  Glad to have you contributing!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 15, 2011, 10:58:15 PM
Thanks Nova!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
surprised that ka didn't go with scallion to stop the bleeding in the 9th...i know he's a genius, but i would've used my bullpen ace in a one run game
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on April 15, 2011, 11:17:41 PM
Flood gates open for the Hornets as they practically start drowning.  Coach A should have gone to Scallion earlier.....looks like SU is out coached, and played tonight!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 15, 2011, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
surprised that ka didn't go with scallion to stop the bleeding in the 9th...i know he's a genius, but i would've used my bullpen ace in a one run game

A little bit surprising with the bases loaded and 1 out they didnt go with scallion to get a ground ball.  But scallion did pitch 3 innings yesterday if i remember correctly.  Stefanowicz is a very good reliever and not a bad choice to go with either..it just didnt work out for them today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 16, 2011, 05:15:34 AM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
surprised that ka didn't go with scallion to stop the bleeding in the 9th...i know he's a genius, but i would've used my bullpen ace in a one run game


Well Narch,
Since you're a "genius" looks like you shoulda been down there coaching SU....As SUball stated....Scallion logged a decent number of innings already this week...relax bud, we'll have fun knocking you guys out today. Hope you enjoy the "genius" ripping the monarchs all afternoon.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2011, 08:50:37 AM
Quote from: bossman on April 16, 2011, 05:15:34 AMrelax bud
i was very relaxed as i typed that last night...if we can't engage in intelligent baseball strategy conversation, what is this board for?
i think it's a legit question to ask...i forgot that scallion had pitched 2.1 innings vs. greensboro, and after having been reminded of this by su ball, my query has been satisfied
Quote from: bossman on April 16, 2011, 05:15:34 AMSince you're a "genius"
i appreciate the confidence you have in my intellectual abilities...however, my 132 iq falls well short of deserving the "genius" tag

another question re: the quirks of a 7 team double elimination tournament...how is it that #3 seed will be playing its 4th game of the tournament and #4 seed will be playing just its 3rd? both teams won their first game and lost their second...it seems to me that the lower seed should be the team playing its fourth game...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 16, 2011, 12:59:54 PM
    Wow, just finished a  Little League  opening day, got to the office  to do some work and thought I'd read the comments on CNU's victory over SU...but my how quiet it is....

   I love the squeeze bunt in the 9th. CNU used that a couple tournaments ago and it backfired, but when it works, almost impossible to defend.

   One to go for the Captains, and SU is obviously capable of pulling off the comeback. We have a reverse of last year where CNU had to come back to force a title game, and did, but lost.  I thought the inordinate delay before the last game wasn't helpful to CNU last year-SU had some hanging heads after losing the first game, but with the long delay before the title game, and an apparently pretty good pep talk from you-know-who, SU righted their ship...and won the rings. 

   SU-CNU games have turned into the Yankees-Red Sox of D III.  Very impressive baseball.

  Go Captains!     
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 16, 2011, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: narch on April 16, 2011, 08:50:37 AM
Quote from: bossman on April 16, 2011, 05:15:34 AMrelax bud
i was very relaxed as i typed that last night...if we can't engage in intelligent baseball strategy conversation, what is this board for?
i think it's a legit question to ask...i forgot that scallion had pitched 2.1 innings vs. greensboro, and after having been reminded of this by su ball, my query has been satisfied
Quote from: bossman on April 16, 2011, 05:15:34 AMSince you're a "genius"
i appreciate the confidence you have in my intellectual abilities...however, my 132 iq falls well short of deserving the "genius" tag

another question re: the quirks of a 7 team double elimination tournament...how is it that #3 seed will be playing its 4th game of the tournament and #4 seed will be playing just its 3rd? both teams won their first game and lost their second...it seems to me that the lower seed should be the team playing its fourth game...

Yeah, the tournament format doesnt make much sense..there has to be a better way.  Maybe after each round they shuffle up the teams so that the higher seeds are playing the lower seeds.  i.e this yr SU would have played the 7th seed Ferrum





Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 16, 2011, 04:21:18 PM
Well have been here for a couple of days and have seen some good baseball, some not so good baseball. Have also seen some pretty good storms! They are suppose to try and get some games in tonight and be back on schedule tomorrow. CNU has looked good and are really hitting the ball when they need to. SU offense seems to be a little off but I think they can make it back. I think that MU and AU have used to much pitching tto get to the finals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 16, 2011, 07:49:19 PM
Quote from: hokieone on April 16, 2011, 12:59:54 PM
    Wow, just finished a  Little League  opening day, got to the office  to do some work and thought I'd read the comments on CNU's victory over SU...but my how quiet it is....

   I love the squeeze bunt in the 9th. CNU used that a couple tournaments ago and it backfired, but when it works, almost impossible to defend.

   One to go for the Captains, and SU is obviously capable of pulling off the comeback. We have a reverse of last year where CNU had to come back to force a title game, and did, but lost.  I thought the inordinate delay before the last game wasn't helpful to CNU last year-SU had some hanging heads after losing the first game, but with the long delay before the title game, and an apparently pretty good pep talk from you-know-who, SU righted their ship...and won the rings. 

   SU-CNU games have turned into the Yankees-Red Sox of D III.  Very impressive baseball.

  Go Captains!     

When you play a lot of games, its nearly impossible to win them all.

CNU and SU can play 10 times and it would probably would be 50-50 split.

BTW in local high school hokieone, how in the world did Clarke previously (1-8) beat Strasburg (6-1)???  I did not see that one coming.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2011, 08:38:19 PM
au just intentionally walked such to get to lovett...who leads the monarchs in rbi's on the season and is tough to double up...maybe it works out for them...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on April 15, 2011, 05:18:57 PM
I have to think Harvell feels CNU is already in the regionals and therefore would not take a chance with Chitzas or Goldsmith coming back on short rest no matter how many pitches they threw.  Agree with Narch on that.  That means Bierlien vs Claudio (I guess) in the game tonight. Let's hope the Captains bats continue to pound away.  They've looked pretty tough against a couple pretty good starters so far.

Any chance one of these two will get shipped to Marietta or Kean for regionals?  That is the rumor going around down in Burlington.

You mean as a 2 seed?

As a 2 seed...anything's possible I guess, though both regions have pretty strong 2 seeds as well. The South regional being at Rhodes makes for some unusual possibilities.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2011, 10:29:55 PM
mu wins 9-1...such and perry were HUGE...perry goes 7, giving up 1 er, 4 hits and striking out 7 while such goes yard twice and collects 3 rbi

bossman...you'll get a chance to get your wish, albeit a day later :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 16, 2011, 05:15:34 AM
Quote from: narch on April 15, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
surprised that ka didn't go with scallion to stop the bleeding in the 9th...i know he's a genius, but i would've used my bullpen ace in a one run game


Well Narch,
Since you're a "genius" looks like you shoulda been down there coaching SU....As SUball stated....Scallion logged a decent number of innings already this week...relax bud, we'll have fun knocking you guys out today. Hope you enjoy the "genius" ripping the monarchs all afternoon.

Scallion has thrown to 8 batters in the tournament, and 7 of them were them were against Greensboro. Hardly a lot of use. They were behind, so maybe that was the reason for not going to him but I think a lot of people would and give themselves the best chance to hold them and come from behind.

Narch: Any guesses who Methodist might start? Looks like they have Bially, Lee, Judge and White that would probably be available among guys you wouldn't mind seeing throw. Judge has the most starts but only made it 1 inning in his last one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2011, 11:17:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 10:54:19 PMScallion has thrown to 8 batters in the tournament, and 7 of them were them were against Greensboro. Hardly a lot of use. They were behind, so maybe that was the reason for not going to him but I think a lot of people would and give themselves the best chance to hold them and come from behind.

Narch: Any guesses who Methodist might start? Looks like they have Bially, Lee, Judge and White that would probably be available among guys you wouldn't mind seeing throw. Judge has the most starts but only made it 1 inning in his last one.
i suspect it might be decarolis, but i wouldn't be surprised to see judge get the nod...i don't think anyone will pitch 7 innings as perry did tonight...i think you'll see a bunch of guys throw 2-3 innings
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: narch on April 16, 2011, 11:17:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 10:54:19 PMScallion has thrown to 8 batters in the tournament, and 7 of them were them were against Greensboro. Hardly a lot of use. They were behind, so maybe that was the reason for not going to him but I think a lot of people would and give themselves the best chance to hold them and come from behind.

Narch: Any guesses who Methodist might start? Looks like they have Bially, Lee, Judge and White that would probably be available among guys you wouldn't mind seeing throw. Judge has the most starts but only made it 1 inning in his last one.
i suspect it might be decarolis, but i wouldn't be surprised to see judge get the nod...i don't think anyone will pitch 7 innings as perry did tonight...i think you'll see a bunch of guys throw 2-3 innings

That's what I was thinking...Judge until problems arise, then everyone for whatever they can give. Whether they can win the tournament or not, this would be a huge win for Methodist's Pool C hopes. Need to go all out for it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 17, 2011, 08:04:56 AM
HS note for D-bat: Clarke actually has some talent, just hadn't played well. Smoot  isn't much of a stick but plays a college caliber defensive shortstop,and the Clarke  CF is excellent-he saved 3-4 runs  with some outstanding defensive play.   Strasburg's coaches had mentioned Clarke was better than their record; they beat Mason the night before.  (small roster:they suit up 11 players.)

Back to college: Go Captains!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 17, 2011, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: narch on April 16, 2011, 11:17:09 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 16, 2011, 10:54:19 PMScallion has thrown to 8 batters in the tournament, and 7 of them were them were against Greensboro. Hardly a lot of use. They were behind, so maybe that was the reason for not going to him but I think a lot of people would and give themselves the best chance to hold them and come from behind.

Narch: Any guesses who Methodist might start? Looks like they have Bially, Lee, Judge and White that would probably be available among guys you wouldn't mind seeing throw. Judge has the most starts but only made it 1 inning in his last one.
i suspect it might be decarolis, but i wouldn't be surprised to see judge get the nod...i don't think anyone will pitch 7 innings as perry did tonight...i think you'll see a bunch of guys throw 2-3 innings

That's what I was thinking...Judge until problems arise, then everyone for whatever they can give. Whether they can win the tournament or not, this would be a huge win for Methodist's Pool C hopes. Need to go all out for it.

Apparently neither of us know anything. :) Britt gets the start.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2011, 02:33:52 PM
the monarchs need some 9th inning magic against scallion, down 10-7
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
no magic left for mu...through 4, i thought the monarchs had a real shot at the upset...ultimately, the championship today will feature the two best teams in the conference/region...i just don't see su having enough pitching left to win 2 today...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 17, 2011, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
no magic left for mu...through 4, i thought the monarchs had a real shot at the upset...ultimately, the championship today will feature the two best teams in the conference/region...i just don't see su having enough pitching left to win 2 today...

It definately will be difficult for them especially having to throw scallion for 3 against you guys..I'm thinking they'll go with Mike Smith and go from there. MU with a good showing in the tournament just all the games caught up with them.  Narch with MU with 27 wins and 5 games left i believe how many do they have to win to lock up an at large bid..3 or 4?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 17, 2011, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
no magic left for mu...through 4, i thought the monarchs had a real shot at the upset...ultimately, the championship today will feature the two best teams in the conference/region...i just don't see su having enough pitching left to win 2 today...

Are they finishing today or does it go to tomorrow if Shenandoah wins the first?

Farbeit from me to pretend to know more about baseball than Austin, but I thought he went with the wrong guy after Britt, which was a bit of an inspired choice to start. Judge had a rough outing earlier in the week but he has been your #3 all year, I think he deserves that chance.

This is where not having Van Sickler or Claudio available because you waited to throw them really puts you up against it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 17, 2011, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 17, 2011, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
no magic left for mu...through 4, i thought the monarchs had a real shot at the upset...ultimately, the championship today will feature the two best teams in the conference/region...i just don't see su having enough pitching left to win 2 today...

Are they finishing today or does it go to tomorrow if Shenandoah wins the first?

Farbeit from me to pretend to know more about baseball than Austin, but I thought he went with the wrong guy after Britt, which was a bit of an inspired choice to start. Judge had a rough outing earlier in the week but he has been your #3 all year, I think he deserves that chance.

This is where not having Van Sickler or Claudio available because you waited to throw them really puts you up against it.

They are finishing today..if SU wins, the second game will start 30 mins after the first game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 17, 2011, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: SUball on April 17, 2011, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 17, 2011, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: narch on April 17, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
no magic left for mu...through 4, i thought the monarchs had a real shot at the upset...ultimately, the championship today will feature the two best teams in the conference/region...i just don't see su having enough pitching left to win 2 today...

Are they finishing today or does it go to tomorrow if Shenandoah wins the first?

Farbeit from me to pretend to know more about baseball than Austin, but I thought he went with the wrong guy after Britt, which was a bit of an inspired choice to start. Judge had a rough outing earlier in the week but he has been your #3 all year, I think he deserves that chance.

This is where not having Van Sickler or Claudio available because you waited to throw them really puts you up against it.

They are finishing today..if SU wins, the second game will start 30 mins after the first game.

So Shenandoah has to win 3 games in a day? Ouch.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 17, 2011, 04:25:52 PM
Keaton Neeb is like a cat behind the dish, I just witnessed an amazing play on a wild pitch BUT he still threw out CNU's runner.

He's a stud and hands down the best catcher in the USA-South.

Thanks to VMI for telling him that he was not in their immediate plans that allowed him to transfer at mid-term last year.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 17, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
SU lets one slip away again. Kudos to the CNU squad for fighting and pushing across the winning runs in the bottom of the 8th. Tough pill to swallow for the Hornets today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2011, 05:48:42 PM
Yeah buddy! CNU gets it done...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 17, 2011, 06:08:55 PM
Yabba Dabba do! Atta baby Captains!     So now  CNU and SU have played each other 4 times  this year, and probably more in the regional. 9 times in 2 years and counting...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 17, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Congratulations to the CNU Captains on the Conference Championship. With the championship, and 2 straight W's over SU, CNU may be looking at a potential jump into the #1 ranking.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 17, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
three straight wins isn't it? Last of the 2 game series in the regular season and twice in the tournament. Way to go Captains and Coach Harvell!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
congrats to the capts...i'm hoping that su and cnu get put in different regions, but i'm not sure that's going to happen

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 17, 2011, 11:37:56 PM
Well it was a very good tourney. Congrats CNU! CNU out hit, play and coach everyone. The tournament MVP should have gone to the CNU pitching staff. I have seen a lot of tournaments but can not recall one where the winning team only uses a total of 6 pitchers and the middle reliever and closer for CNU could have been used only in the final game but think the coaches wanted to get them some work during the week so they pitched in a grand total of 2 games. SU better get their pen in order before regionals or Scallion ( who is a stud) will not have an arm left. Fleishman for CNU is the real deal and with Verdillo as the setup that is tough test fro any team to face. Methodist needs to concentrate on running the table and developing some of their young talent during pressure situations. Good job by all and thanks for the great baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: GallopingGhost80 on April 18, 2011, 07:13:52 AM
Got to hand it to CNU, they were the class of the tournament and deserve the #1 ranking.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2011, 07:24:15 AM
D-Bat: Again with the Neeb thing? He may be a good defensive catcher, but he is not the best offensive catcher in the conference, as that goes to Such, and he doesn't have the best arm in the conference, as that goes to Lenda. He is a solid catcher, but "hands down the best in the USAS," he is not anywhere close to that. I heard he had a nice little fall/trip coming out of the dugout the other day.

Congrats again to the CNU Captains!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 18, 2011, 07:57:10 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on April 17, 2011, 04:25:52 PM
Keaton Neeb is like a cat behind the dish, I just witnessed an amazing play on a wild pitch BUT he still threw out CNU's runner.

He's a stud and hands down the best catcher in the USA-South.

Thanks to VMI for telling him that he was not in their immediate plans that allowed him to transfer at mid-term last year.



Agreed
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 18, 2011, 08:03:00 AM
NCWC could not get it together all year...as I was hoping.  Few bright spots this year were Senior SS Justin Rahm (.319-2-23, 12 doubles), Sophmore C Tyler Clark (.351-1-18, 3 triples), Senior 1B Zach Alexander (.331-2-27, 13 doubles), Freshman 3B Jose Parra (.295-0-17, 10 BB), Freshman OF Hayden Williams (.440).  On the pitcher's side Freshman CL Ben Longton (14 G, 4.05 ERA, 20 Inn, 24 K) had a pretty good year and was the most consistent pitcher for that staff.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 18, 2011, 08:51:17 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on April 17, 2011, 04:25:52 PM
Keaton Neeb is like a cat behind the dish, I just witnessed an amazing play on a wild pitch BUT he still threw out CNU's runner.

He's a stud and hands down the best catcher in the USA-South.

Thanks to VMI for telling him that he was not in their immediate plans that allowed him to transfer at mid-term last year.



But lets also say that VMI had two pretty catchers who are seniors this year and the starting catcher is one of the better catchers in the Mid Atlantic so it was not like VMI had scrubs they were playing a head of Neeb both of them are very good catchers. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: ericchurch on April 18, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
Hands down the best catcher?? First off, I think Such proved he deserved first team with the performance he put on at the tournament. Neeb went 3-17 in the tournament, and the two times he batted in the 2-hole he was 0-8. I think Lenda also proved he is better than Neeb defensively, throwing out Brashears by a mile in the championship game. So saying Neeb is "hands down" the best catcher in the conference is an idiotic biased comment.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 18, 2011, 09:58:01 AM
Quote from: ericchurch on April 18, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
Hands down the best catcher?? First off, I think Such proved he deserved first team with the performance he put on at the tournament. Neeb went 3-17 in the tournament, and the two times he batted in the 2-hole he was 0-8. I think Lenda also proved he is better than Neeb defensively, throwing out Brashears by a mile in the championship game.  So saying Neeb is "hands down" the best catcher in the conference is an idiotic biased comment.

You're not always going to be successful in this game...3-17 happens quite often, give the kid a break...it's just unfortunate it happened to be during the conference tourney when it can be magnified the most. Give the kid his dues though. If he wasn't good enough to be first team then the coaches wouldn't have voted him in, he had to have been doing something right...he ranks right up there with Such and Lenda and HE IS just about the best all around catcher in the conference.

He can hit for Average, has some pop, above average defensively, can swipe a bag if you need him to, and he has a plus arm behind the dish. He impacts every aspect of the game...although Such and Lenda are very good and may be better in some areas of the game....i'm not sure either of the two can do all of the above as exceptionally well as Neeb does.

(With that being said, let me remind you that we shouldn't forget he's an entire year of college baseball behind Such and two years behind Lenda, in terms of seeing live college pitching and in game situations....he's only a sophomore...i'm sure he'll be just fine when all is said and done). So, stop knocking the kid...it's not like we're coming on here saying he's the next Mauer or Posey.

and just a little FYI...that was a botched Hit and Run...not just a straight steal my friend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
Speaking of Joe Maurer, I wish he'd come off the DL so he can help out my fantasy baseball team.

Bossman - I think we definetly all agree with your comments. Neeb is certainly an above average catcher, and one of the better catchers around. I think the issue is with that D-Bat stated when he claimed "hands down the best catcher in the USAS." I think we all agree that despite he is very good, he isn't "hands down" the best; there are 2 other very good catchers in the conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 18, 2011, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 18, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
Speaking of Joe Maurer, I wish he'd come off the DL so he can help out my fantasy baseball team.

Bossman - I think we definetly all agree with your comments. Neeb is certainly an above average catcher, and one of the better catchers around. I think the issue is with that D-Bat stated when he claimed "hands down the best catcher in the USAS." I think we all agree that despite he is very good, he isn't "hands down" the best; there are 2 other very good catchers in the conference.

Haha, Yeah i hear you on the Mauer situation.

Understandable...just seemed like that other guy "ericchurch" was knocking him pretty hard because he didnt play well in Burlington. If that's the case, you might as well say everyone in SU's lineup isn't worth a darn because none of them really showed up down there this weekend. Seemed like they got on the busses and left the intensity and bats needed to compete for a championship back in Winchester. His post was based solely on this past weekend's performances it seemed, if he was going to make an argument I just felt like he should have made sure he took the entire body of work into consideration. Oh well though, i'm sure ericchurch will have SU falling out of this week's top 25 after this past weekend's performances too, based on what i've seen from him so far...haha.  :D ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 18, 2011, 11:02:13 AM
Well I think that if you need a catcher any of the 3 mentioned would not be a bad choice and I would take any of them.

As for the rankings I would think that CNU and SU may change places or be 2 and 3 or maybe 3 and 4.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2011, 01:19:28 PM
Agreed. All 3 are above average.

I would think you are ranked #4, and beat the #1 team twice, you jump to #1. I could see CNU at #1, and then SU at #3. Then again, I am not sure what the other top teams did this past week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 18, 2011, 02:17:09 PM
Very true PNeal...

Pojected Top 5...

1-CNU
2-Marietta
3-Kean/SU
4-SU/Kean
5-Heidleberg
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on April 18, 2011, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 18, 2011, 08:03:00 AM
NCWC could not get it together all year...as I was hoping.  Few bright spots this year were Senior SS Justin Rahm (.319-2-23, 12 doubles), Sophmore C Tyler Clark (.351-1-18, 3 triples), Senior 1B Zach Alexander (.331-2-27, 13 doubles), Freshman 3B Jose Parra (.295-0-17, 10 BB), Freshman OF Hayden Williams (.440).  On the pitcher's side Freshman CL Ben Longton (14 G, 4.05 ERA, 20 Inn, 24 K) had a pretty good year and was the most consistent pitcher for that staff.

LTHS   maybe your boy his senior year can have a better year.  Sucks to work that hard all fall and have a season like that. There are some good bright spots in that quote you had... but sad thing is those two seniors leave.  Rahm  has grown up a lot since i was there and I was lucky to have had two years with him and alexander also... they both were  very huge in my senior year in having a good year. I'm sure they will be missed.   Said thing is that NCWC has used its history as a key recruiting tool.   History is showing a downward turn FAST! 2 sub 500 seasons is not a very good thing to look at while SHAN and CNU are ranked top 25 Having CNU and SHAN in the conf is a good recruit too though.  Just sucks to get on the computer and see how bad the guys are doing.  Maybe we can finally learn some things about the last few years. COACHING wise.   DONT LEAVE YOUR PITCHERS IN TO LONG!  i mean i know its his last name but holly crap.  and the years that NCWC was so good and had its runs was when D, fielding, and pitching were the most concentrated on.  MY last 3 years there we would take in and out and then just jog down to the bully and do a few sit ups and sprints. yes that can help but maybe some drills or mechanics or even video work could help.  And having an ex umpire as a pitching coach does not help. The mental side of the game is important as well.  What pitches to throw when.. to what batter.. who to look after each game.. who steals... WE NEVER or NCWC never talks about this.  Talent wise I sucked as a baseball player.. I mean I was bad... but on the what to throw when and to what batter in a situation I was very goot at.   And ALLOW your players to get into a game.. They are 19-23 year old men. WE CUSE. WE GET EXCITED, WE HAVE FUN. So let us be college kids.  Its not theuniversity of BIBLE BELT. Its North Carolina Wesleyan   Example the game at Shan this year.  If a kid hit a homerun off me or any of my teammates and when he touched home plate he screamed to my dug out and flexed saying get ready boys its coming all day long. NEXT BATTER or the next time that kid came up. YOU BET YOUR MONEY he wouldn't say it again.  .  Its sad when players I played with talk to me and tell me that they are scared to do something and get INTENSE at a game because of what someone might say or there playing time will be shot.  I hope and pray that the class coming in next year can mesh well with the good players NCWC has returning so maybe in 2 years NCWC can be where it belongs in the top 3 in the conf usas.  But its not going to happen until some coaching strategy changes.. because the talent is there and has been for years. 

LTHS let me know what you think or people like Pneal that I played against and can relate to the difference between the ncwc old and new. Because the talent isn't much different its something else. Narch you can relate also.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2011, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 18, 2011, 09:58:01 AM(With that being said, let me remind you that we shouldn't forget he's an entire year of college baseball behind Such and two years behind Lenda, in terms of seeing live college pitching and in game situations....he's only a sophomore...i'm sure he'll be just fine when all is said and done).
for what its worth, these are such's numbers as a freshman and sophomore
2009: .372, 7 hr, 39 rbi
2010: .393, 13 hr, 54 rbi
being young doesn't always mean you can't be good :)

and not to beat a dead horse (something i'm usually pretty good at doing), but here are the defensive stats for each of the catchers in question:
lenda: 15 cs, 24 sba (38.5% caught stealing), 6 passed balls, .982 fielding percentage
such: 18 cs, 24 sba (42.8% caught stealing), 3 passed balls, .984 fielding percentage
neeb: 10 cs, 9 sba (52.6% caught stealing), 8 passed balls, .988 fielding percentage

yes, neeb leads such by almost 10% and lenda by almost 15% in caught stealing %, but i think that stat may be a bit misleading...85% or more of the stolen bases are of 2nd, and i'd be willing to bet that fewer than 50% of the runners who steal a base score – given that the league averages around 1.7 stolen base attempts per game and assuming that less than ½ of those stolen bases lead directly to runs, the run-prevention difference between neeb and such is less than .1 runs/game – when you factor in the passed balls differential, the defensive statistics between neeb and such probably come pretty close to being even...you can hardly make a statistical case for neeb as the "best catcher...hands down" – i haven't observed him close enough to see how he handles the pitching staff and controls the game, but those are areas in which i think such is greatly improved...to the point that i would take his ability to produce instant offense vs. his perceived defensive deficiencies 8 days a week
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 18, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2011, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 18, 2011, 09:58:01 AM(With that being said, let me remind you that we shouldn't forget he's an entire year of college baseball behind Such and two years behind Lenda, in terms of seeing live college pitching and in game situations....he's only a sophomore...i'm sure he'll be just fine when all is said and done).
for what its worth, these are such's numbers as a freshman and sophomore
2009: .372, 7 hr, 39 rbi
2010: .393, 13 hr, 54 rbi
being young doesn't always mean you can't be good :)

and not to beat a dead horse (something i'm usually pretty good at doing), but here are the defensive stats for each of the catchers in question:
lenda: 15 cs, 24 sba (38.5% caught stealing), 6 passed balls, .982 fielding percentage
such: 18 cs, 24 sba (42.8% caught stealing), 3 passed balls, .984 fielding percentage
neeb: 10 cs, 9 sba (52.6% caught stealing), 8 passed balls, .988 fielding percentage

yes, neeb leads such by almost 10% and lenda by almost 15% in caught stealing %, but i think that stat may be a bit misleading...85% or more of the stolen bases are of 2nd, and i'd be willing to bet that fewer than 50% of the runners who steal a base score – given that the league averages around 1.7 stolen base attempts per game and assuming that less than ½ of those stolen bases lead directly to runs, the run-prevention difference between neeb and such is less than .1 runs/game – when you factor in the passed balls differentia, the defensive statistics between neeb and such probably come pretty close to being even...you can hardly make a statistical case for neeb as the "best catcher...hands down" – i haven't observed him close enough to see how he handles the pitching staff and controls the game, but those are areas in which i think such is greatly improved...to the point that i would take his ability to produce instant offense vs. his perceived defensive deficiencies 8 days a week


Guess that's why we're all allowed to have our opinions Narch   8-)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 18, 2011, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 18, 2011, 01:19:28 PM
Agreed. All 3 are above average.

I would think you are ranked #4, and beat the #1 team twice, you jump to #1. I could see CNU at #1, and then SU at #3. Then again, I am not sure what the other top teams did this past week.

Didn't CNU beat SU 3 times this year when they were ranked #1?  How many times do you have to do that before being ranked #1?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: SUball on April 18, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 18, 2011, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 18, 2011, 01:19:28 PM
Agreed. All 3 are above average.

I would think you are ranked #4, and beat the #1 team twice, you jump to #1. I could see CNU at #1, and then SU at #3. Then again, I am not sure what the other top teams did this past week.

Didn't CNU beat SU 3 times this year when they were ranked #1?  How many times do you have to do that before being ranked #1?

Yes, they have but before this week they split the series during the season.  So, its not like CNU been getting snubbed by the polls.  CNU will definately jump over SU and probably get the number 1 spot when the rankings come out tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 18, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2011, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 18, 2011, 09:58:01 AM(With that being said, let me remind you that we shouldn't forget he's an entire year of college baseball behind Such and two years behind Lenda, in terms of seeing live college pitching and in game situations....he's only a sophomore...i'm sure he'll be just fine when all is said and done).
for what its worth, these are such's numbers as a freshman and sophomore
2009: .372, 7 hr, 39 rbi
2010: .393, 13 hr, 54 rbi
being young doesn't always mean you can't be good :)

and not to beat a dead horse (something i'm usually pretty good at doing), but here are the defensive stats for each of the catchers in question:
lenda: 15 cs, 24 sba (38.5% caught stealing), 6 passed balls, .982 fielding percentage
such: 18 cs, 24 sba (42.8% caught stealing), 3 passed balls, .984 fielding percentage
neeb: 10 cs, 9 sba (52.6% caught stealing), 8 passed balls, .988 fielding percentage


Numbers-wise, Lenda doesn't compare to the other two.

8 passed balls is quite a few for a D-III season IMO.

For comparison's sake, this was last year's ABCA first-team A-A, Heidelberg's Steve Decker.

.389 BA, 5HR, 52 RBI, 22 CS-44SB (50% rate), 4 pickoffs, 4 PB, .990 fpct. for a conference and regional championship team.

Neeb is .345, 6 HR, 28 RBI, 1 pickoff, 8 PB, .988
Such is .328, 12 HR, 36 RBI, 3 pickoff, 3 PB, .988
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2011, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 18, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
Guess that's why we're all allowed to have our opinions Narch   8-)
absolutely...but sometimes you have to ask yourself "is my opinion rooted in fact?"
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on April 19, 2011, 04:42:32 AM
No surprise here-CNU goes to #1, getting every first place vote.

   Nice for the scrap books, but it amounts to a big bull's eye. Much work to be done to be able to battle through the Regionals. And of course. Let's hope Methodist can join CNU and SU.....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 19, 2011, 08:20:38 AM
Congratulations to Coach Harvell, Frazier, Wissinger, and the CNU Captains on the #1 ranking.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 19, 2011, 08:28:42 AM
Congrats to CNU and good luck until ya meet SU again in regionals  8-) :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 19, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   :-\ ???

As hokieone (I believe) pointed out the SU/CNU rivalry is looking more and more like the yanks/bosox, each and every game is an all out battle with one team getting it done and pulling away in the late innings in each of the 4 meetings thus far! Would be great if they were both given a chance to win a seperate region! Says alot about the USASC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 19, 2011, 10:34:34 AM
I agree. I would think/hope that one team gets sent to a different region. It would be a shame to put both of them in the same tournament, forcing one of them to go home after regionals.

Wouldn't it be an amazing show to see CNU match up against SU in Appleton?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 19, 2011, 10:34:34 AM
I agree. I would think/hope that one team gets sent to a different region. It would be a shame to put both of them in the same tournament, forcing one of them to go home after regionals.

Wouldn't it be an amazing show to see CNU match up against SU in Appleton?

I do believe I would have to make that trip if they both get there.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: narch on April 18, 2011, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 18, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
Guess that's why we're all allowed to have our opinions Narch   8-)
absolutely...but sometimes you have to ask yourself "is my opinion rooted in fact?"
Yours is just an opinion  :).......Neeb has a 100 point higher batting avg than such but according to you batting average is overrated. He throws a higher percentage of runners out and according to you thats misleading. So it seems as if your trying to convince yourself that your opinion is a fact ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   :-\ ???

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 19, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   :-\ ???

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2011, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 11:31:29 AM
Yours is just an opinion  :)
backed by fact (statistics)
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 11:31:29 AM
Neeb has a 100 point higher batting avg than such but according to you batting average is overrated. He throws a higher percentage of runners out and according to you thats misleading. So it seems as if your trying to convince yourself that your opinion is a fact ;)
that's interesting math

345 - 328 = 100

the next time i try to buy something for 328 dollars, i'm going to give the clerk 345 and ask for 100 dollars back :) - do you think i'll get it???

mathematical difficulties aside, baseball today is all about two things – run production and run prevention – i'll take a .300 hitter who produces runs over a .400 hitter who doesn't 8 days a week – as evidenced by statistics (runs+hr+rbi/games), neeb does not produce as many runs per game as such (he trails by .13 runs produced/game....which equates to approx 5.2 runs over 40 games), despite being surrounded by an offensive team which is superior to the team around such – ops comparison (on base% + slugging %) tells us (factually) that such is on base more often, and when he is on base, he is hitting with more power (power=run production) , so who cares if neeb has a ba that is .017 higher if he's doing nothing with it? the only argument that you can make is that he cycles the lineup more frequently, but if you extrapolate neeb's .12 hits/game lead over such out to 40 games, that means fewer than 5 times throughout a 40 game season that the lineup was extended...given su's runs/hit ratio and team ba, that means these extra at-bats would produce approx. 1.25 additional runs over the course of the season for shenandoah ([311/404]*[4.8*0.339])– the additional team run production is hardly worth the drop in individual run production (5.2 > 1.25)

i've already shown you why the defensive statistics mean little

all of this goes back to the statement that neeb was "hands down the best catcher in the conference" – based on statistical analysis, there is no basis for this (in my opinion, statistics=fact...unless they are being used in an argument against me :))
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AMCongrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?
i seem to remember a "500 mile" deal with the ncaa...like, they try to avoid trips longer than 500 miles, if possible, but i could be wrong

if that is the case, i could see any of those sites getting su - i personally think su and cnu SHOULD be split, geography and travel aside – those two teams are clearly capable of being a #1 through #3 seed in EVERY region and it would be sad to see them in the same region – in my perfect world, SU would get sent to the Mideast or New York region, CNU would be sent to the Mid Atlantic region, the monarchs would win out and be sent to the South region and the WS would have a chance to get 3 USASAC teams...not gonna happen, i know, but one can dream, right :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on April 19, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

Bridgewater, huh?  That's an interesting choice, since the ODAC tourney doesn't even start until tomorrow, and Bridgewater only finished in 1st in the regular season by one game.  They're not the lock that everyone seems to think (and weren't last year either, since they came out of the loser's bracket to win two in the ODAC finals last year).  It's anyone's guess who wins the ODAC this year, as each team in the tournament showed they can beat any of the other five this season...so don't count on the Eagles just yet...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 19, 2011, 02:34:22 PM
Quote from: gr8day4bsbll on April 19, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

Bridgewater, huh?  That's an interesting choice, since the ODAC tourney doesn't even start until tomorrow, and Bridgewater only finished in 1st in the regular season by one game.  They're not the lock that everyone seems to think (and weren't last year either, since they came out of the loser's bracket to win two in the ODAC finals last year).  It's anyone's guess who wins the ODAC this year, as each team in the tournament showed they can beat any of the other five this season...so don't count on the Eagles just yet...

Yeah, that is true but I believe BC has the best staff in the ODAC and that should go a looooong way in the tourney. Although I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Randy Mac win it either.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: narch on April 19, 2011, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 11:31:29 AM
Yours is just an opinion  :)
backed by fact (statistics)
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 11:31:29 AM
Neeb has a 100 point higher batting avg than such but according to you batting average is overrated. He throws a higher percentage of runners out and according to you thats misleading. So it seems as if your trying to convince yourself that your opinion is a fact ;)
that's interesting math

345 - 328 = 100

the next time i try to buy something for 328 dollars, i'm going to give the clerk 345 and ask for 100 dollars back :) - do you think i'll get it???

mathematical difficulties aside, baseball today is all about two things – run production and run prevention – i'll take a .300 hitter who produces runs over a .400 hitter who doesn't 8 days a week – as evidenced by statistics (runs+hr+rbi/games), neeb does not produce as many runs per game as such (he trails by .13 runs produced/game....which equates to approx 5.2 runs over 40 games), despite being surrounded by an offensive team which is superior to the team around such – ops comparison (on base% + slugging %) tells us (factually) that such is on base more often, and when he is on base, he is hitting with more power (power=run production) , so who cares if neeb has a ba that is .017 higher if he's doing nothing with it? the only argument that you can make is that he cycles the lineup more frequently, but if you extrapolate neeb's .12 hits/game lead over such out to 40 games, that means fewer than 5 times throughout a 40 game season that the lineup was extended...given su's runs/hit ratio and team ba, that means these extra at-bats would produce approx. 1.25 additional runs over the course of the season for shenandoah ([311/404]*[4.8*0.339])– the additional team run production is hardly worth the drop in individual run production (5.2 > 1.25)

i've already shown you why the defensive statistics mean little

all of this goes back to the statement that neeb was "hands down the best catcher in the conference" – based on statistical analysis, there is no basis for this (in my opinion, statistics=fact...unless they are being used in an argument against me :))
Your right about the 100 point batting average difference I dont no what I was looking at haha......but im glad you caught that, I guess you dont have 6 stars beside your name for nothing ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: gr8day4bsbll on April 19, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

Bridgewater, huh?  That's an interesting choice, since the ODAC tourney doesn't even start until tomorrow, and Bridgewater only finished in 1st in the regular season by one game.  They're not the lock that everyone seems to think (and weren't last year either, since they came out of the loser's bracket to win two in the ODAC finals last year).  It's anyone's guess who wins the ODAC this year, as each team in the tournament showed they can beat any of the other five this season...so don't count on the Eagles just yet...

Do you not know what the word "might" means? Throw out an anchor, it was just a way of showing how none of the South region teams are from near Memphis, and so the NCAA is gonna have to make some choices. I would hope they knew that when they chose the site.

Sheesh...some people are just hypersensitive. If you really want to see me be dismissive, I could say it doesn't matter who wins the ODAC. The best team in the ODAC would have finished 5th in the USA South.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   :-\ ???

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...

Some people amaze me on here as well, like the ones incapable of reading English.

I didn't say they couldn't win, I said they shouldn't be the favorite. Is this "get your dander up and get all frothy because you can't read" day or something on the South region message board?

This is kind of a bad time to not be playing your best baseball. Tournaments are where the rubber meets the road, and IMO they didn't play particularly well in ANY of their tournament games.

You give me a regional and for at least 7 of the 8, I'll give you a reason why Shenandoah's not the favorite. That's just my opinion and I never said anyone had to agree with it.

There have been teams before that only lost a handful of games in season that didn't win their regionals. You win regionals with pitching depth, timely hitting and not giving away opportunities, especially nowadays when you don't get a 4 team regional anymore. No one other than Van Sickler really threw that well, and their struggles kind of looks like their middle of the line pitching stats are inflated by a generally weak non-conference SOS. And their offense that put up late 1990s numbers the first 15 games seems to have come back to 2011 in the last 20 or so (about 6 runs per game since the Methodist DH).

IMO pitching is more important this year because good pitching holding a team to 0,1,2 runs is more likely and I'm not convinced Shenandoah's is good enough to win a 6 team regional, especially if they're going to target Van Sickler against an opponent later in the tournament rather than throwing him day 1. If they get the 1 seed in a 7 team regional somehow, their chances would be improved, but then so would almost everyone's.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 19, 2011, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   :-\ ???

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...

Some people amaze me on here as well, like the ones incapable of reading English.

I didn't say they couldn't win, I said they shouldn't be the favorite. Is this "get your dander up and get all frothy because you can't read" day or something on the South region message board?

This is kind of a bad time to not be playing your best baseball. Tournaments are where the rubber meets the road, and IMO they didn't play particularly well in ANY of their tournament games.

You give me a regional and for at least 7 of the 8, I'll give you a reason why Shenandoah's not the favorite. That's just my opinion and I never said anyone had to agree with it.

There have been teams before that only lost a handful of games in season that didn't win their regionals. You win regionals with pitching depth, timely hitting and not giving away opportunities, especially nowadays when you don't get a 4 team regional anymore. No one other than Van Sickler really threw that well, and their struggles kind of looks like their middle of the line pitching stats are inflated by a generally weak non-conference SOS. And their offense that put up late 1990s numbers the first 15 games seems to have come back to 2011 in the last 20 or so (about 6 runs per game since the Methodist DH).

IMO pitching is more important this year because good pitching holding a team to 0,1,2 runs is more likely and I'm not convinced Shenandoah's is good enough to win a 6 team regional, especially if they're going to target Van Sickler against an opponent later in the tournament rather than throwing him day 1. If they get the 1 seed in a 7 team regional somehow, their chances would be improved, but then so would almost everyone's.
+1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: bossman on April 19, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   :-\ ???

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...

Some people amaze me on here as well, like the ones incapable of reading English.

I didn't say they couldn't win, I said they shouldn't be the favorite. Is this "get your dander up and get all frothy because you can't read" day or something on the South region message board?

This is kind of a bad time to not be playing your best baseball. Tournaments are where the rubber meets the road, and IMO they didn't play particularly well in ANY of their tournament games.

You give me a regional and for at least 7 of the 8, I'll give you a reason why Shenandoah's not the favorite. That's just my opinion and I never said anyone had to agree with it.

There have been teams before that only lost a handful of games in season that didn't win their regionals. You win regionals with pitching depth, timely hitting and not giving away opportunities, especially nowadays when you don't get a 4 team regional anymore. No one other than Van Sickler really threw that well, and their struggles kind of looks like their middle of the line pitching stats are inflated by a generally weak non-conference SOS. And their offense that put up late 1990s numbers the first 15 games seems to have come back to 2011 in the last 20 or so (about 6 runs per game since the Methodist DH).

IMO pitching is more important this year because good pitching holding a team to 0,1,2 runs is more likely and I'm not convinced Shenandoah's is good enough to win a 6 team regional, especially if they're going to target Van Sickler against an opponent later in the tournament rather than throwing him day 1. If they get the 1 seed in a 7 team regional somehow, their chances would be improved, but then so would almost everyone's.
If you were to go back on the message boards around this time last year and around this time the year before I am sure you will find posts of people saying the same stuff that you are saying right now. I dont no why people always doubt Shenandoah, but I sure did like it when I played. As a player I would get on here time to time and read what people wer saying about us and loved how no matter how good we did, there was always someone bringing up how we werent good enough to win the conference much less a regional. So I would like to think you for the "locker room material" and please keep these posts coming, maybie it will motivate the players even more to prove the doubters wrong for the THIRD staright year
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
i, for one, am done doubting su...that being said, i think cnu is more prepared for tournament play than the hornets because of pitching depth - if they were in different regionals, i could easily see both winning
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: narch on April 19, 2011, 09:24:03 PM
i, for one, am done doubting su...that being said, i think cnu is more prepared for tournament play than the hornets because of pitching depth - if they were in different regionals, i could easily see both winning
FINALLY NARCH........we can agree on something....haha....If they are in the same region and meet up, I think that whoever wins the first game between the two will win the tournament. I dont think either team has the pitching to come back and double dip the other. I really hope that they end up in different regions because these two teams have the potential to play each other at Appleton for the National Championship.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 09:58:24 PM
IMHO - I don't think CNU can do what they did in the conference Tournament again - 4 starters 4 wins - last 2 starters where freshman and against SU so they didn't throw either of their top guys against them - 2 complete games and 6 innings from bullpen ( 2 relievers) - and 3 innings of those were in a 10 -3 game to just get them work.

For SU Scallion had 7.1 innings himself, you can not do that to your closer and expect to get the job done unless your offense gets hot.

So I feel that SU and Methodist have the same problem right now in pitching department - 2 good starters (and both aces are very good) and then a very big drop off. Both teams have no faith in their bullpens..... So they have a couple of weeks to get that straight.

All the teams in regionals can hit so pitching becomes the premium. Keep your team in it to win it with your offense.

If SU goes to a different regional than CNU they can win it if not they better hope they get them within the first two games or they are probably in trouble.

With Kean in one region and Marettia in the other it is my thinking that if they ship some one off it would be to the New York Regional with Courtland. One of them is going to the South and hopefully Methodist will get in to.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

+1

AMEN
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
the monarchs have a lot of work to do...3 wins gives them an outside shot, 4 gives them a better shot and 5 is a lock, in my mind...but doing any of that is going to be tough - emory is 25-15 and always tough, rmc is a solid 17-17 team that can win games and salisbury is 21-11 and has some really solid wins
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 12:40:55 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

+1

AMEN
Boysofsummer21...........If you look up about 2 posts I said that this wasnt needed.....just used as a little extra motivation

                       -1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 02:16:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 12:40:55 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

+1

AMEN
Boysofsummer21...........If you look up about 2 posts I said that this wasnt needed.....just used as a little extra motivation

                      -1

You should save it for when you get to Appleton then. Looks like you need it there more.

Save your cockiness for when you've got your name on a wooden plank. Even Hampden-Sydney's won the South regional.

There, that should give you plenty of real reason to be upset. The strawmen were getting tired of you pushing them around, so I thought I would help them out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 20, 2011, 08:20:06 AM
forheavendial4999--

From the looks of your last few posts it seems like someone's getting a little agitated...don't let a message board get your feathers ruffled now, bud.    :D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 20, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
Actually I don't think forheavendial4999 has a dog in this fight, but instead is an impartial and knowledgeable follower of D3 baseball.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on April 20, 2011, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 20, 2011, 09:42:33 AM
Actually I don't think forheavendial4999 has a dog in this fight, but instead is an impartial and knowledgeable follower of D3 baseball.



Doesn't mean someone can't get a little agitated. Just giving him a hard time anyway.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.
What exactly did I say that makes me look so cocky other than Shenandoah has more experiance with regional tournaments? I said their coach knows what it takes to get there and obviously he does becaus ehe has been there the last 2 years. If I came off cocky I apolgize. Its just a little frustrating when you accomplish something and people still doubt you. Im sure you can find coaches who have more experiance in division 3, this is his 9th year in division 3. But this isnt about him, this is about people like you trying to find reasons why Shenandoah wont win a regional. I agree that they should be motivated enough already and Im sure they are. They are the defending South Region Champs. If you see that someone is doubting you wouldnt that make you want even more?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 20, 2011, 02:29:51 PM
this is as good a time to start looking at this as any...

mu has an 18-11 (.621) regional record vs. opponents who have a .516 regional record - the monarchs are just 5-8 vs. regional opponents above .500 regional (with 6 of those 8 losses coming to presumably the top 2 teams in the region) - as i study this, i'm thinking 4 wins is more important than ever, especially since emory is currently 23-11 in region, rmc is 16-15 in region and salisbury is 20-10 in region...

the monarch non-region schedule is really where they have shone...9-2 vs. opponents who are winning at a .564 clip and 7-2 vs. teams with above .500 overall records...unfortunately, those don't really matter much - keystone is on a roll, winning 12 of their last 15 and stands at 17-9 overall - tufts has won 14 straight and is 17-4-1 overall (including 1-3-1 in the usasac) - swathmore is 17-11, berry is 18-12, suny purchase is 15-10...the monarchs faired pretty well against all of those teams (they out scored these opponents a combined 91-12)

does anyone know when birmingham southern is eligible for d3 playoffs?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BigPoppa on April 20, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: narch on April 20, 2011, 02:29:51 PM
this is as good a time to start looking at this as any...

mu has an 18-11 (.621) regional record vs. opponents who have a .516 regional record - the monarchs are just 5-8 vs. regional opponents above .500 regional (with 6 of those 8 losses coming to presumably the top 2 teams in the region) - as i study this, i'm thinking 4 wins is more important than ever, especially since emory is currently 23-11 in region, rmc is 16-15 in region and salisbury is 20-10 in region...

the monarch non-region schedule is really where they have shone...9-2 vs. opponents who are winning at a .564 clip and 7-2 vs. teams with above .500 overall records...unfortunately, those don't really matter much - keystone is on a roll, winning 12 of their last 15 and stands at 17-9 overall - tufts has won 14 straight and is 17-4-1 overall (including 1-3-1 in the usasac) - swathmore is 17-11, berry is 18-12, suny purchase is 15-10...the monarchs faired pretty well against all of those teams (they out scored these opponents a combined 91-12)

does anyone know when birmingham southern is eligible for d3 playoffs?

Birm-Southern is cleared next year. I'd love to see them in the mix this year with the team they returned.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:08:10 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 20, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: narch on April 20, 2011, 02:29:51 PM
this is as good a time to start looking at this as any...

mu has an 18-11 (.621) regional record vs. opponents who have a .516 regional record - the monarchs are just 5-8 vs. regional opponents above .500 regional (with 6 of those 8 losses coming to presumably the top 2 teams in the region) - as i study this, i'm thinking 4 wins is more important than ever, especially since emory is currently 23-11 in region, rmc is 16-15 in region and salisbury is 20-10 in region...

the monarch non-region schedule is really where they have shone...9-2 vs. opponents who are winning at a .564 clip and 7-2 vs. teams with above .500 overall records...unfortunately, those don't really matter much - keystone is on a roll, winning 12 of their last 15 and stands at 17-9 overall - tufts has won 14 straight and is 17-4-1 overall (including 1-3-1 in the usasac) - swathmore is 17-11, berry is 18-12, suny purchase is 15-10...the monarchs faired pretty well against all of those teams (they out scored these opponents a combined 91-12)

does anyone know when birmingham southern is eligible for d3 playoffs?

Birm-Southern is cleared next year. I'd love to see them in the mix this year with the team they returned.

They're gonna be good in the future too.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.
What exactly did I say that makes me look so cocky other than Shenandoah has more experiance with regional tournaments? I said their coach knows what it takes to get there and obviously he does becaus ehe has been there the last 2 years. If I came off cocky I apolgize. Its just a little frustrating when you accomplish something and people still doubt you. Im sure you can find coaches who have more experiance in division 3, this is his 9th year in division 3. But this isnt about him, this is about people like you trying to find reasons why Shenandoah wont win a regional. I agree that they should be motivated enough already and Im sure they are. They are the defending South Region Champs. If you see that someone is doubting you wouldnt that make you want even more?

Here's the thing though: you haven't accomplished anything this season yet.

And no...generally speaking, I don't care what other people think I can or can't do.

I'm not trying to find a reason for anything.

Mental note: in the future, don't say anything that Shenandoah fans might not like unless you want to be verbally accosted.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.
What exactly did I say that makes me look so cocky other than Shenandoah has more experiance with regional tournaments? I said their coach knows what it takes to get there and obviously he does becaus ehe has been there the last 2 years. If I came off cocky I apolgize. Its just a little frustrating when you accomplish something and people still doubt you. Im sure you can find coaches who have more experiance in division 3, this is his 9th year in division 3. But this isnt about him, this is about people like you trying to find reasons why Shenandoah wont win a regional. I agree that they should be motivated enough already and Im sure they are. They are the defending South Region Champs. If you see that someone is doubting you wouldnt that make you want even more?

Here's the thing though: you haven't accomplished anything this season yet.

And no...generally speaking, I don't care what other people think I can or can't do.

I'm not trying to find a reason for anything.

Mental note: in the future, don't say anything that Shenandoah fans might not like unless you want to be verbally accosted.
I will agree that they havent accomplished anything THIS year. Im simply telling you that everything that you have said about Shenandoah has been said the last two years. What exactly have I said that a Shenandoah fan would be upset about? Any Shenandoah fan who reads these boards are used to having people talk about why they wont win a regional and if there a true Shenandoah fan I'm sure they feel the same way that I do.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.
What exactly did I say that makes me look so cocky other than Shenandoah has more experiance with regional tournaments? I said their coach knows what it takes to get there and obviously he does becaus ehe has been there the last 2 years. If I came off cocky I apolgize. Its just a little frustrating when you accomplish something and people still doubt you. Im sure you can find coaches who have more experiance in division 3, this is his 9th year in division 3. But this isnt about him, this is about people like you trying to find reasons why Shenandoah wont win a regional. I agree that they should be motivated enough already and Im sure they are. They are the defending South Region Champs. If you see that someone is doubting you wouldnt that make you want even more?

Here's the thing though: you haven't accomplished anything this season yet.

And no...generally speaking, I don't care what other people think I can or can't do.

I'm not trying to find a reason for anything.

Mental note: in the future, don't say anything that Shenandoah fans might not like unless you want to be verbally accosted.
What exactly have I said that a Shenandoah fan would be upset about?

English is a second language for you, isn't it?

Done with this. Enjoy your season, however long it lasts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 20, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 20, 2011, 01:36:23 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on April 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 19, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.
Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  ;) ;D

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.
What exactly did I say that makes me look so cocky other than Shenandoah has more experiance with regional tournaments? I said their coach knows what it takes to get there and obviously he does becaus ehe has been there the last 2 years. If I came off cocky I apolgize. Its just a little frustrating when you accomplish something and people still doubt you. Im sure you can find coaches who have more experiance in division 3, this is his 9th year in division 3. But this isnt about him, this is about people like you trying to find reasons why Shenandoah wont win a regional. I agree that they should be motivated enough already and Im sure they are. They are the defending South Region Champs. If you see that someone is doubting you wouldnt that make you want even more?

Here's the thing though: you haven't accomplished anything this season yet.

And no...generally speaking, I don't care what other people think I can or can't do.

I'm not trying to find a reason for anything.

Mental note: in the future, don't say anything that Shenandoah fans might not like unless you want to be verbally accosted.
What exactly have I said that a Shenandoah fan would be upset about?

English is a second language for you, isn't it?

Done with this. Enjoy your season, however long it lasts.
:-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 20, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
compiled some regional records for south teams as of this morning

   w   l   win%
su   27   4   0.871
cnu   25   4   0.862
maryville   21   10   0.677
emory   23   11   0.676
salisbury   20   10   0.667
piedmont   22   11   0.667
methodist   18   11   0.621
rhodes   20   14   0.588
huntingdon   15   11   0.577


i think when owp and oowp are considered, maryville will drop below mu - piedmont has 2 games vs. ncwc and one vs. lagrange left - monarch fans should be rooting for the bishops and the panthers for 2 reasons...1.) handing piedmont losses and 2.) helping the monarchs owp

the games vs. emory and salisbury are HUGE for mu...head-to-head is more important than sos
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2011, 07:19:41 AM
It is going to be nice when Birmingham Southern gets into the mix. They are a very, very good ball club, especially with 1B Bruce Maxwell and SP Jesse Meier. We actually have the Meier kid, along with SP Jordan Burchett, coming to play for us this summer in the Valley League.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 21, 2011, 09:09:39 AM
Not sure nice is the term I would use lol.

I think they may be a force some aren't quite anticipating. I don't think there's a program out there that has the combination of facilities, regional name recognition, available D-III caliber recruits and lack of competition for them.

B-SC was 21-3, 18-6, 18-6 in the Big South in their last 3 years there. They were a solid D-I program.

I've been saying since they announced the drop that they're going to be very good. I wasn't as afraid of them obsoleting D-III baseball as I was if Tulane had dropped to D-III, but all the ingredients are there for a really good program.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
I agree completely. They are a very, very good team; one that, as you pointed out, competed at a higher level on the dI stage. I use the term "nice" meaning that adding another top level team to the already talented South Region will continue to solidfy it's rank as the top region.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 21, 2011, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: narch on April 20, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
compiled some regional records for south teams as of this morning

   w   l   win%
su   27   4   0.871
cnu   25   4   0.862
maryville   21   10   0.677
emory   23   11   0.676
salisbury   20   10   0.667
piedmont   22   11   0.667
methodist   18   11   0.621
rhodes   20   14   0.588
huntingdon   15   11   0.577


i think when owp and oowp are considered, maryville will drop below mu - piedmont has 2 games vs. ncwc and one vs. lagrange left - monarch fans should be rooting for the bishops and the panthers for 2 reasons...1.) handing piedmont losses and 2.) helping the monarchs owp

the games vs. emory and salisbury are HUGE for mu...head-to-head is more important than sos
If you didn't, you should use this D3baseball.com page to get those numbers. Much easier than doing it yourself.
http://d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template (http://d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2011, 01:28:08 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 21, 2011, 10:24:56 AM
If you didn't, you should use this D3baseball.com page to get those numbers. Much easier than doing it yourself.
http://d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template (http://d3baseball.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)

that is handy...wish i had discovered that 2 days ago :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2011, 03:59:57 PM
I know he made 1st Team, but I don't think people realize truly how amazing of a season Connor Madden is having. He is having one of the best seasons by a CNU hitter in many, many years. By far the best since Trae Bailey a few years back. The numbers below certainly don't lie:

.406 avg (65/160)
8 HR
56 RBI
21 2b's
35 R
12 SB's

That's one amazing year. If he maintains, he should be in line for a few All-Region and All-American honors.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 21, 2011, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 21, 2011, 03:59:57 PM
I know he made 1st Team, but I don't think people realize truly how amazing of a season Connor Madden is having. He is having one of the best seasons by a CNU hitter in many, many years. By far the best since Trae Bailey a few years back. The numbers below certainly don't lie:

.406 avg (65/160)
8 HR
56 RBI
21 2b's
35 R
12 SB's

That's one amazing year. If he maintains, he should be in line for a few All-Region and All-American honors.
That is a sick year no matter how you look at it.  I think he makes All-regin easy but all-american maybe asking to much, perhaps Honorable mention. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2011, 04:30:20 PM
Agreed. As much as I think he is as good of a hitter as any in dIII, some guys out there will finish .420, 16 HR, and 75 RBI. It's hard to match that. I see Madden as a lock for All-Region, and a Honorable Mention All-American Pick.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 21, 2011, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 21, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
I agree completely. They are a very, very good team; one that, as you pointed out, competed at a higher level on the dI stage. I use the term "nice" meaning that adding another top level team to the already talented South Region will continue to solidfy it's rank as the top region.

They'll definitely improve the South region, which hasn't produced a national champion since 1999.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 22, 2011, 08:39:07 AM
Blake Maxwell's 2011 bio photo is worth a click.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Blake%20Maxwell&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476190 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Blake%20Maxwell&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476190)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2011, 09:47:00 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2011, 08:39:07 AM
Blake Maxwell's 2011 bio photo is worth a click.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Blake%20Maxwell&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476190 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Blake%20Maxwell&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476190)
that wouldn't have flown when he was playing for tom austin :)

looks like he's off to a solid start...2 saves in 4 appearances and 7 k's in 7.2 ip
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 22, 2011, 04:11:55 PM
Lets hope this the year for him to get the call up.  Would be nice for the USA South to have a guy in the bigs. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2011, 05:01:28 PM
emory just walked thigpen intentionally to load the bases for such with 2 outs...he needs to make them pay!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
such walked on 4 pitches and lovette follows up with a 2 run single...mu is up 6-1 through 5.5 - perry got the start and has given up 4 hits, 1 unearned run and struck out 7 and hit a 2 run double in the 5th...the monarchs might have found a new #2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2011, 07:23:43 PM
one down...the monarchs win 7-2 - perry goes 6 innings and strikes out 8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2011, 10:55:30 PM
the captains and ncwc didn't do anything to help mu...piedmont took 3 games from the bishops, and the ssu win over cnu solidifies the seagulls, as well

lagrange is officially joining the usasac (along with piedmont)...in my opinion, that will lead to the departure of cnu, and the cnu/salisbury game today and the cnu/york game tomorrow could be a preview of a future cac matchup
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 23, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2011, 10:55:30 PM
the captains and ncwc didn't do anything to help mu...piedmont took 3 games from the bishops, and the ssu win over cnu solidifies the seagulls, as well

lagrange is officially joining the usasac (along with piedmont)...in my opinion, that will lead to the departure of cnu, and the cnu/salisbury game today and the cnu/york game tomorrow could be a preview of a future cac matchup

Maryville next, surely...then it'll be interesting. Huntingdon and Birmingham Southern together could be attractive; Huntingdon on its own maybe not so much.

Could they get those 3, split into divisions and keep CNU?

"East" -- CNU, Methodist, Greensboro, Averett, NCWC, Ferrum
"West" -- LaGrange, Piedmont, B-SC, Huntingdon, Maryville
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 23, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2011, 10:55:30 PM
the captains and ncwc didn't do anything to help mu...piedmont took 3 games from the bishops, and the ssu win over cnu solidifies the seagulls, as well

lagrange is officially joining the usasac (along with piedmont)...in my opinion, that will lead to the departure of cnu, and the cnu/salisbury game today and the cnu/york game tomorrow could be a preview of a future cac matchup

Maryville next, surely...then it'll be interesting. Huntingdon and Birmingham Southern together could be attractive; Huntingdon on its own maybe not so much.

Could they get those 3, split into divisions and keep CNU?

"East" -- CNU, Methodist, Greensboro, Averett, NCWC, Ferrum
"West" -- LaGrange, Piedmont, B-SC, Huntingdon, Maryville

Heaven, BSC moved up from D-1 into a conference of peer institutions, the SCAC, so they will not move out of the SCAC.

Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/)

I am sure that Covenant was "sought" by the GSAC as a member to help them get to AQ status. Covenant will be active in 2013-14, but games against it will count in "in-region" determinations next season. The whole GSAC could be the "West" Division.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 23, 2011, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 23, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2011, 10:55:30 PM
the captains and ncwc didn't do anything to help mu...piedmont took 3 games from the bishops, and the ssu win over cnu solidifies the seagulls, as well

lagrange is officially joining the usasac (along with piedmont)...in my opinion, that will lead to the departure of cnu, and the cnu/salisbury game today and the cnu/york game tomorrow could be a preview of a future cac matchup

Maryville next, surely...then it'll be interesting. Huntingdon and Birmingham Southern together could be attractive; Huntingdon on its own maybe not so much.

Could they get those 3, split into divisions and keep CNU?

"East" -- CNU, Methodist, Greensboro, Averett, NCWC, Ferrum
"West" -- LaGrange, Piedmont, B-SC, Huntingdon, Maryville

Heaven, BSC moved up from D-1 into a conference of peer institutions, the SCAC, so they will not move out of the SCAC.

Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/)

I am sure that Covenant was "sought" by the GSAC as a member to help them get to AQ status. Covenant will be active in 2013-14, but games against it will count in "in-region" determinations next season. The whole GSAC could be the "West" Division.

I can't help but notice that not all of those ACS schools are in the SCAC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 23, 2011, 09:43:26 AM
to my knowledge, covenant was not approached by the usasac, and i doubt they will be - when/if maryville joins, i think they will be the last addition to the usasac, and i think the the only thing left for the usasac will be cnu departing - i just don't see the captains being excited making regular trips to demorest, lagrange and maryville
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2011, 10:10:58 PM
the monarchs lost a tough game, in the worst way possible on saturday...a balk in extra innings

to make matters worse, the rmc game on monday has been cancelled...so the monarchs don't have a chance to get another regional win - unless the monarchs can add someone, i think they'll need to sweep salisbury...tough task
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 25, 2011, 04:54:59 AM
Is SU trying to schedule a home game with CNU before regionals?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 25, 2011, 06:04:49 AM
Seriously? That sounds insane.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 06:07:29 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 25, 2011, 06:04:49 AM
Seriously? That sounds insane.

For who?

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2011, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 23, 2011, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 23, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2011, 10:55:30 PM
the captains and ncwc didn't do anything to help mu...piedmont took 3 games from the bishops, and the ssu win over cnu solidifies the seagulls, as well

lagrange is officially joining the usasac (along with piedmont)...in my opinion, that will lead to the departure of cnu, and the cnu/salisbury game today and the cnu/york game tomorrow could be a preview of a future cac matchup

Maryville next, surely...then it'll be interesting. Huntingdon and Birmingham Southern together could be attractive; Huntingdon on its own maybe not so much.

Could they get those 3, split into divisions and keep CNU?

"East" -- CNU, Methodist, Greensboro, Averett, NCWC, Ferrum
"West" -- LaGrange, Piedmont, B-SC, Huntingdon, Maryville

Heaven, BSC moved up from D-1 into a conference of peer institutions, the SCAC, so they will not move out of the SCAC.

Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/)

I am sure that Covenant was "sought" by the GSAC as a member to help them get to AQ status. Covenant will be active in 2013-14, but games against it will count in "in-region" determinations next season. The whole GSAC could be the "West" Division.

I can't help but notice that not all of those ACS schools are in the SCAC.
Of the ACS schools that are not in the SCAC, only Spelman (Women's in the GSAC), Washington and Lee in the ODAC and Centenary (D-I non-football moving to D-III and the ASC in 2011-12) are D-III.

All others are in other classifications.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 25, 2011, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 06:07:29 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 25, 2011, 06:04:49 AM
Seriously? That sounds insane.

For who?


CNU has exams this week.  SU has exams next week.  Seems difficult to schedule a game between teams that are four hours apart. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 25, 2011, 12:03:43 PM
I'm not sure what the benefit in scheduling a game with SU would be, other than just staying in "game shape" against one of the nation's top schools. CNU is automatically in Regionals, and SU is not anywhere close to being on the Bubble, so it is not like both teams need to play so the winner gets a boost in Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 25, 2011, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 06:07:29 AM
Quote from: vabaseball on April 25, 2011, 06:04:49 AM
Seriously? That sounds insane.

For who?


CNU has exams this week.  SU has exams next week.  Seems difficult to schedule a game between teams that are four hours apart. 

True enough unless it's a weekend game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 25, 2011, 08:54:19 PM
As for CNU/SU playing a game to stay sharp.  It cannot be done.  CNU has already played the alotted 40 regular season games allowable in DIII.  Forty plus tournaments is all you get.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Quote from: rolln2 on April 25, 2011, 08:54:19 PM
As for CNU/SU playing a game to stay sharp.  It cannot be done.  CNU has already played the alotted 40 regular season games allowable in DIII.  Forty plus tournaments is all you get.
Good point, rolln2! +1 :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 30, 2011, 09:05:18 PM
tough loss for the monarchs today...probably dashed any hope of a regional bid

hopefully they can rebound for senior day...4 really great monarchs will finish their careers on sunday - britt, lovette, inghram and lancaster have had fantastic careers for the monarchs and will be greatly missed!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: focusandfire on May 02, 2011, 09:13:15 AM
Salisbury dominated the Monarchs this weekend.  Salisbury's closer, Drew Baldwin, was outstanding- the Monarchs couldn't do anything with him- in game 1 he closed the game striking out two- in game 2, he came into the game in the 7th with bases loaded and 1 out- he struck out Inghram and Thigpen in the bottom of the 7th, 3 in the 8th and 1 in the 9th- he retired 8 straight.  Brian Green hit two bombs in game 2.  Salisbury deserves to be in the regionals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 02, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: focusandfire on May 02, 2011, 09:13:15 AM
Salisbury dominated the Monarchs this weekend.  Salisbury's closer, Drew Baldwin, was outstanding- the Monarchs couldn't do anything with him- in game 1 he closed the game striking out two- in game 2, he came into the game in the 7th with bases loaded and 1 out- he struck out Inghram and Thigpen in the bottom of the 7th, 3 in the 8th and 1 in the 9th- he retired 8 straight.  Brian Green hit two bombs in game 2.  Salisbury deserves to be in the regionals.
i can't say that i disagree...they'll need to jump maryville and emory in the regional rankings (as well as mu, but i think that's a foregone conclusion) - the fact that both of those teams (emory and maryville) are pool b teams that are close to a regional site which might be difficult to fill without flights complicates the issue

comparing the three teams on merit alone, i think ssu gets the nod over the other 2:
m'ville: 22-12 (.647) vs. .548 OWP, 66 SOS rank
emory: 24-13 (.649) vs. .542 OWP, 70 SOS rank
ssu: 24-10 (.706) vs. .543 OWP, 85 SOS rank

ssu does have two big regional games left against hopkins (24-8 in region) and montclair (12-10 in region)...winning both i think would make ssu a slam dunk for a regional bid – win, lose or draw, hopkins will help ssu's OWP and montclair will help ssu's OOWP – maryville and emory both appear to be done (there is nothing more on their schedule)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
It seems like Methodist is the Virginia Tech(basketball) of Division 3 Baseball. The last three years they have been on the bubble and cant win games at the end of the year to get them in. Do you think they still have a shot? or is there no hope at all?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
I guess that might appear to be true if you look at only the last three years.

But Methodist has been to a national championship game under their current coach. Virginia Tech hasn't. Methodist hasn't had a losing season since 1979. They've been regional champs 6 times and made the regional 21 times.

They haven't consistently been at that level lately, but they've still got a heckuva lot more of a record of success than Virginia Tech.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
I guess that might appear to be true if you look at only the last three years.

But Methodist has been to a national championship game under their current coach. Virginia Tech hasn't. Methodist hasn't had a losing season since 1979. They've been regional champs 6 times and made the regional 21 times.

They haven't consistently been at that level lately, but they've still got a heckuva lot more of a record of success than Virginia Tech.
I guess thats why I did say the last three years. I wasnt using this example to compare overall records, I was simply saying they have both been on the bubble the last three years. I realize that traditionally they have been very successful.Way to take what I said and turn it into something different again.
+1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
I guess that might appear to be true if you look at only the last three years.

But Methodist has been to a national championship game under their current coach. Virginia Tech hasn't. Methodist hasn't had a losing season since 1979. They've been regional champs 6 times and made the regional 21 times.

They haven't consistently been at that level lately, but they've still got a heckuva lot more of a record of success than Virginia Tech.
I guess thats why I did say the last three years. I wasnt using this example to compare overall records, I was simply saying they have both been on the bubble the last three years. I realize that traditionally they have been very successful.Way to take what I said and turn it into something different again.
+1

Not the one that made the comparison.

I thought it was pretty unapt to describe a program that has contributed what Methodist has to D-III baseball to Virginia Tech in basketball.

I know this probably doesn't mean too much to a competitor that's a Johnny come lately, but there are a lot of baseball coaches past and present that have and had a lot of respect for Tom Austin and Methodist baseball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
I guess that might appear to be true if you look at only the last three years.

But Methodist has been to a national championship game under their current coach. Virginia Tech hasn't. Methodist hasn't had a losing season since 1979. They've been regional champs 6 times and made the regional 21 times.

They haven't consistently been at that level lately, but they've still got a heckuva lot more of a record of success than Virginia Tech.
I guess thats why I did say the last three years. I wasnt using this example to compare overall records, I was simply saying they have both been on the bubble the last three years. I realize that traditionally they have been very successful.Way to take what I said and turn it into something different again.
+1

Not the one that made the comparison.

I thought it was pretty unapt to describe a program that has contributed what Methodist has to D-III baseball to Virginia Tech in basketball.

I know this probably doesn't mean too much to a competitor that's a Johnny come lately, but there are a lot of baseball coaches past and present that have and had a lot of respect for Tom Austin and Methodist baseball.
In no way shape or form did I say something that would offend Tom Austin or the Methodist Program in my last post. I respect Coach Austin as well as the Methodist Program. I originally said the PAST THREE YEARS .Then you want to go back to 1903 and bring up historical records. Then you make it sound like I dogged Tom Austin and the Methodist Program. Once again you take what I have said and try to make it look different so you can TRY and convinve youself that you are right. Sports analyst's use these comparisons all the time. For Example, the Miami Heat are now the New York Yankees of baseball.

Narch, I hope I didnt offend you with the comparison that I used.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
Heat are now the New york yankees of basketball....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on May 03, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
Heat are now the New york yankees of basketball....

There's no hope back2back...we've been thru this before lol....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on May 03, 2011, 09:14:13 PM
To answer your original post back2back....na, doesn't seem like MU is gonna get into post-season play this year. Unfortunate, they're a very talented baseball squad.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 03, 2011, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 08:47:26 PMNarch, I hope I didnt offend you with the comparison that I used.
no offense taken...you spoke the truth - the monarchs have had the post season in their grasp in each of the last 3 years, only to see it slip away - as a fan, it's really frustrating, especially this year, because i felt like those seniors would finally get it done
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 03, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
i know we could all play "what if", but i wasn't thinking earlier today...what if mahaffey, fasano and willingham were still pitching for mu...and i did a little research

mahaffey has pitched 14 innings this year for marietta with a 1.29 era and 16 k's over 4 appearances....looks like he hasn't pitched much, so maybe he's missed some time due to injury

fasano has 34.1 innings for d1 rutgers with a 2.88 era and 20 k's - he has the 2nd lowest era on the rutgers staff and has pitched the 5th most innings...he could have helped mu

willingham has thrown 27 innings for d2 north greenville and has a 3.67 era...he is 6th on the staff in ip

those three arms could have helped mu tremendously this year....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: narch on May 03, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
i know we could all play "what if", but i wasn't thinking earlier today...what if mahaffey, fasano and willingham were still pitching for mu...and i did a little research

mahaffey has pitched 14 innings this year for marietta with a 1.29 era and 16 k's over 4 appearances....looks like he hasn't pitched much, so maybe he's missed some time due to injury

fasano has 34.1 innings for d1 rutgers with a 2.88 era and 20 k's - he has the 2nd lowest era on the rutgers staff and has pitched the 5th most innings...he could have helped mu

willingham has thrown 27 innings for d2 north greenville and has a 3.67 era...he is 6th on the staff in ip

those three arms could have helped mu tremendously this year....
Does this happen alot at Methodist? Players transferring to Division 2 and Division 1 schools? and if so do you think they come there with the mindset that they will transfer after a year or two or are they just not happy there? I remember Seth Kivett transferring out when I was playing and he was a HUGE stick in your lineup.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 03, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 09:45:51 PMDoes this happen alot at Methodist? Players transferring to Division 2 and Division 1 schools? and if so do you think they come there with the mindset that they will transfer after a year or two or are they just not happy there? I remember Seth Kivett transferring out when I was playing and he was a HUGE stick in your lineup.
it obviously has happened in these situations...i'm not sure any of those guys attended mu with the intention of transferring, though...mahaffey is originally from ohio and fasano is originally from ny, so perhaps they were getting closer to home...kivett was a shock because he left after 2 years...i don't know much about willingham except that he went to a christian high school and north greenville is a pretty strongly religious place, so perhaps it was that - ultimately that's part of the game
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: narch on May 03, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 09:45:51 PMDoes this happen alot at Methodist? Players transferring to Division 2 and Division 1 schools? and if so do you think they come there with the mindset that they will transfer after a year or two or are they just not happy there? I remember Seth Kivett transferring out when I was playing and he was a HUGE stick in your lineup.
it obviously has happened in these situations...i'm not sure any of those guys attended mu with the intention of transferring, though...mahaffey is originally from ohio and fasano is originally from ny, so perhaps they were getting closer to home...kivett was a shock because he left after 2 years...i don't know much about willingham except that he went to a christian high school and north greenville is a pretty strongly religious place, so perhaps it was that - ultimately that's part of the game
It is a part of the game.........but why not go to a Division one school out of high school? It happens at Shenandoah all the time players leaving but it normally is players who really dont get much playing time. All these guys would have made a big impact.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 04, 2011, 06:03:17 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: narch on May 03, 2011, 09:41:17 PM
i know we could all play "what if", but i wasn't thinking earlier today...what if mahaffey, fasano and willingham were still pitching for mu...and i did a little research

mahaffey has pitched 14 innings this year for marietta with a 1.29 era and 16 k's over 4 appearances....looks like he hasn't pitched much, so maybe he's missed some time due to injury

fasano has 34.1 innings for d1 rutgers with a 2.88 era and 20 k's - he has the 2nd lowest era on the rutgers staff and has pitched the 5th most innings...he could have helped mu

willingham has thrown 27 innings for d2 north greenville and has a 3.67 era...he is 6th on the staff in ip

those three arms could have helped mu tremendously this year....
Does this happen alot at Methodist? Players transferring to Division 2 and Division 1 schools? and if so do you think they come there with the mindset that they will transfer after a year or two or are they just not happy there? I remember Seth Kivett transferring out when I was playing and he was a HUGE stick in your lineup.

Well of course Averett lost Jason Dooley after he was the D-III pitcher of the year, and at a bad time for that program. 2 more years with him could have really built something there. Not a decision that worked out well for Dooley either. Really one of the more headscratching transfers I can think of in any sport, considering where he went to.

Charlie Furbush transferred from St. Joes, ME to LSU. Marietta had a couple of freshman pitchers transfer after they won the national title. IIRC, Chapman had a couple of high profile transfers up in recent years.

But it happens the other way too. Kean has a transfer from NC State that is their ace. Marietta had a transfer lead their last NC team in hitting. Van Horn from Wooster is a Princeton transfer. UT-Tyler's ace I believe is from Texas A&M?

I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.   

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 04, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 03, 2011, 11:15:06 PMbut why not go to a Division one school out of high school?
my assumption is that they didn't have offers that they liked from d1 or d2 schools when they came to mu - fasano left mu to go to a cc close to home before rutgers signed him...i've heard that the mu coaching staff kept contact with him while he was at the juco, but a d1 offer from a big east school was too much to pass up - i've also heard that kivett got a lot of attention in the cpl the summer after his sophomore year at mu...and ultimately ended up transferring after that summer
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
o yea and a DH
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 04, 2011, 08:48:50 AM
Quote from: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.    

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...


World "Serious."  Seriously? E4 :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on May 04, 2011, 10:18:09 AM
After we won the National Championship in 99 we lost a few guys to D1 transfers.  Lost guys to ECU, VCU and GMU.  Also the year before that we lost another to UNC. 
Heck even I originally committed to a D2 school in WV but after hurting my arm I did not attend that year and then I de-committed and went to NCWC.  Just happens all the time with no scholarship money holding you back it is easy to transfer.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 04, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.   

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...


Wouldnt an all century be the last 100 years? haha how about an all decade team
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 04, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 04, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.   

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...


Wouldnt an all century be the last 100 years? haha how about an all decade team
Oops!  Two errors in the same inning.  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 04, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 04, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 04, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.   

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...


Wouldnt an all century be the last 100 years? haha how about an all decade team
Oops!  Two errors in the same inning.  :)

Well, it could be so far this century. :) Then just keep updating and eliminating.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 05, 2011, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 04, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 04, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 04, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.   

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...


Wouldnt an all century be the last 100 years? haha how about an all decade team
Oops!  Two errors in the same inning.  :)

Well, it could be so far this century. :) Then just keep updating and eliminating.
That is possibly the WORST idea I have ever heard
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 09:02:08 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 05, 2011, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 04, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 04, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 04, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: BMoore#4 on May 04, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
Transfers are a crazy subject anyways in d3 baseball.. especially with no money for scholarships to give out.  That could have a major factor in it as well as being close to home.   Its a sticky situation for coaches and makes it hard on them. Sometimes though coaches get lucky recruiting.  Look at the 2006 ncwc world serious team i played on. Matt Smith was headed to UNCW but a spanish grade in highschool did not allow him to go there so he ended up at NCWC.  Chris Pecora.  recruited by some D1 schools but wanted to be close to home  ended up at ncwc.  Ryan Syder a all american 2nd baseman that was looked at by d1 schools but decided to go smaller for playing time. Kenny Flyth a ecu commit and grades led him to ncwc. Myself had a uncw walk on spot or a 15% scholarship to Elon but 3 weeks before schools starts i come to NCWC.  Andrew Webb who was going to go to Campbell but decided to stay close to home and get more playing time end up at NCWC.   So yes transfers hurt coaches but also can help and by kind of doing nothing end up with a good team.   

Speaking of teams  here is a good topic   lets come up with a all Century team  2000- 2010    lets do 8 position players.. 1 util.. and 6 pitchers as they could carry a team...


Wouldnt an all century be the last 100 years? haha how about an all decade team
Oops!  Two errors in the same inning.  :)

Well, it could be so far this century. :) Then just keep updating and eliminating.
That is possibly the WORST idea I have ever heard

I've heard way worse ideas. Perhaps I've just known more stupid people. I am in the military, after all.

But this really wouldn't be a bad way to work toward an all-decade/all-century team...sort of evaluate at the end of each year and keep a running team leading up to the final one.

However, in this context I was mostly joking. Check the batteries in your sarcasm meter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 05, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 09:02:08 PM
However, in this context I was mostly joking. Check the batteries in your sarcasm meter.
I think sarcasmometers run on solar energy and usually malfunction when someone's in the dark.  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 05, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 05, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 09:02:08 PM
However, in this context I was mostly joking. Check the batteries in your sarcasm meter.
I think sarcasmometers run on solar energy and usually malfunction when someone's in the dark.  :)
Let me apologize for not picking up on that. Whenever someone uses sarcasm I normally find it somewhat humerous. This wasnt.

Hasanova.......You got a chuckle out of me with your comment......that was pretty good.


Well get this started.......Is Van Sickler on your list?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 05, 2011, 09:48:44 PM
Trae Baily?
Kenny Moreland?

Pecora?


Im not familiar with any players from 2000- to 2005 so you guys will have to throw in names from that span....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
Sarcasmometer.
Literary tool of note
On the USAC boards.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 10:26:18 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 05, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 05, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 09:02:08 PM
However, in this context I was mostly joking. Check the batteries in your sarcasm meter.
I think sarcasmometers run on solar energy and usually malfunction when someone's in the dark.  :)
Let me apologize for not picking up on that. Whenever someone uses sarcasm I normally find it somewhat humerous. This wasnt.

That's OK. A lot of things I say go over people's heads.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 05, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
back2back...i think those names are pretty good...i'd like to see how bailey's career numbers stack up vs. inghram's and maybe even jesse henry from su...

van sickler is a no-brainer

brett thomas put up monster numbers for fc for a couple of years

blake rice from ncwc had a good run as a pitcher, as did yost from averett

the burgess kid from gc had a few really good offensive years, as well

here are my monarch suggestions

blake maxwell career:
pitching: 7 wins, 4 losses, 22 saves, 110.2 ip, 1.79 era, 91 k's
hitting: 154 ab, 50 hits, .325 ba, 6 hr, 40 rbi

Dan Glies,OF - no career numbers, but here are his accolades:
2000 diac/usasac rookie of the year
2002 diac/usasac player of the year, 2nd team all-american
he was probably one of the hardest working players i've seen in the diac/usasac...really a great player

ryan brandt had a really solid career for the monarchs, and he was the conference pitcher of the year in 2005, but i'm not sure he'll make the cut – here are his career numbers:
23 wins, 13 losses, 342.2 ip, 3.15 era, 294 k's, holds the mu career record with 4 shutouts

i don't have his career numbers, but jesus adames was a pretty darn good catcher – his 2003 season was pretty nice and he was a 2nd team all-american that year:
.384 ba, 10 hr, 32 rbi, 12 sb

a trio of current monarchs deserve consideration, as well:
brian inghram career numbers:
.354 ba, 20 hr, 157 rbi, 47 sb

trey such career numbers (3 years) – 2009 usasac rookie of the year, 2010 2nd team all-american
.359 ba, 32* hr, 130 rbi,
*one hr away from the mu career record, held by mike brewington, who played in the majors  

i thought that i might be overstating his career to think of lancaster, but he had a nice run:
.344 ba, 1 hr, 97 rbi, 84 sb

i think maxwell, glies and such are all legit all-decade guys, while the others merit strong consideration
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: Back2Back!! on May 05, 2011, 09:48:44 PM
Trae Baily?
Kenny Moreland?

Pecora?


Im not familiar with any players from 2000- to 2005 so you guys will have to throw in names from that span....


Good place to start is who was named All-American from the conference. In this case, that'll get you most of the way there.

P -- Van Sickler, Moreland, Blake Rice (NCWC), Jason Beale (F), Mike Oldham (M), Jason Dooley (A). All were All-Americans during the decade. Buddy Hernandez (NCWC) and Jayson Sigley (NCWC) finished in 2000 and were not A-A but had outstanding careers. Rob Dye (CNU) was pitcher of the year and was the ace on some really good CNU teams. Gene Yost (A) was first team all confernce twice.
1B -- Justin Franklin (F), Jess Maloney (G), Thomas Meeks (F).
2B -- Van Sickler. Beyond that, I'm way open to suggestions. Only guy with more than 1 1st team all-conference is Brian Halpin with some pretty marginal numbers. I would cast my vote for Armando Reyes (A).
SS -- Trae Bailey (CNU). Backup I'd go with Chad Anderson (A), who was first team all conference twice and 2nd in another.
3B -- Brett Thomas (F), Matt Turner (CNU), Jeremy Schutt (S). Actually leaving off an all-american, that's how loaded this position is.
OF -- Another loaded position. Dan Gleis (M) is automatic as a 4 time all conference and 2nd team AA. Jeremy Elliott (CNU) was a 1st team AA. Turner moved to OF and could be here as well. Kevin Brashears (S) has only been all conference once, but was 1st team A-A. Geoff Williams (S) was a 3 time all conference pick but the latest was 2000, and a 2nd team A-A in 2000. Ryan Anderson (S), Eddie Guessford (A) were all americans and also first-team twice. Matt Smith (NCWC) was never an all american but was 1st team four times. Another loaded spot.
C -- Jesus Adames (M), Trey Such (M)

That's 29 players. NCAA postseason limit I think is 23? (Maybe that's changed). So whoever wants to try to cut 6 names off that, be my guest! :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on May 05, 2011, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: narch on May 05, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
back2back...i think those names are pretty good...i'd like to see how bailey's career numbers stack up vs. inghram's and maybe even jesse henry from su...

van sickler is a no-brainer

brett thomas put up monster numbers for fc for a couple of years

blake rice from ncwc had a good run as a pitcher, as did yost from averett

the burgess kid from gc had a few really good offensive years, as well

here are my monarch suggestions

blake maxwell career:
pitching: 7 wins, 4 losses, 22 saves, 110.2 ip, 1.79 era, 91 k's
hitting: 154 ab, 50 hits, .325 ba, 6 hr, 40 rbi

Dan Glies,OF - no career numbers, but here are his accolades:
2000 diac/usasac rookie of the year
2002 diac/usasac player of the year, 2nd team all-american
he was probably one of the hardest working players i've seen in the diac/usasac...really a great player

ryan brandt had a really solid career for the monarchs, and he was the conference pitcher of the year in 2005, but i'm not sure he'll make the cut – here are his career numbers:
23 wins, 13 losses, 342.2 ip, 3.15 era, 294 k's, holds the mu career record with 4 shutouts

i don't have his career numbers, but jesus adames was a pretty darn good catcher – his 2003 season was pretty nice and he was a 2nd team all-american that year:
.384 ba, 10 hr, 32 rbi, 12 sb

a trio of current monarchs deserve consideration, as well:
brian inghram career numbers:
.354 ba, 20 hr, 157 rbi, 47 sb

trey such career numbers (3 years) – 2009 usasac rookie of the year, 2010 2nd team all-american
.359 ba, 32* hr, 130 rbi,
*one hr away from the mu career record, held by mike brewington, who played in the majors  

i thought that i might be overstating his career to think of lancaster, but he had a nice run:
.344 ba, 1 hr, 97 rbi, 84 sb

i think maxwell, glies and such are all legit all-decade guys, while the others merit strong consideration

Bailey numbers can be found in the CNU media guide for 2010 (they don't have one for 2011?????) and his number are better over all and he got a ton of awards. they had the same number of career RBIs and Ingram has more SB. But Bailey hit .375 for his career.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Back2Back!! on May 06, 2011, 07:09:31 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on May 05, 2011, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: narch on May 05, 2011, 11:22:31 PM
back2back...i think those names are pretty good...i'd like to see how bailey's career numbers stack up vs. inghram's and maybe even jesse henry from su...

van sickler is a no-brainer

brett thomas put up monster numbers for fc for a couple of years

blake rice from ncwc had a good run as a pitcher, as did yost from averett

the burgess kid from gc had a few really good offensive years, as well

here are my monarch suggestions

blake maxwell career:
pitching: 7 wins, 4 losses, 22 saves, 110.2 ip, 1.79 era, 91 k's
hitting: 154 ab, 50 hits, .325 ba, 6 hr, 40 rbi

Dan Glies,OF - no career numbers, but here are his accolades:
2000 diac/usasac rookie of the year
2002 diac/usasac player of the year, 2nd team all-american
he was probably one of the hardest working players i've seen in the diac/usasac...really a great player

ryan brandt had a really solid career for the monarchs, and he was the conference pitcher of the year in 2005, but i'm not sure he'll make the cut – here are his career numbers:
23 wins, 13 losses, 342.2 ip, 3.15 era, 294 k's, holds the mu career record with 4 shutouts

i don't have his career numbers, but jesus adames was a pretty darn good catcher – his 2003 season was pretty nice and he was a 2nd team all-american that year:
.384 ba, 10 hr, 32 rbi, 12 sb

a trio of current monarchs deserve consideration, as well:
brian inghram career numbers:
.354 ba, 20 hr, 157 rbi, 47 sb

trey such career numbers (3 years) – 2009 usasac rookie of the year, 2010 2nd team all-american
.359 ba, 32* hr, 130 rbi,
*one hr away from the mu career record, held by mike brewington, who played in the majors  

i thought that i might be overstating his career to think of lancaster, but he had a nice run:
.344 ba, 1 hr, 97 rbi, 84 sb

i think maxwell, glies and such are all legit all-decade guys, while the others merit strong consideration

Bailey numbers can be found in the CNU media guide for 2010 (they don't have one for 2011?????) and his number are better over all and he got a ton of awards. they had the same number of career RBIs and Ingram has more SB. But Bailey hit .375 for his career.
After playing agaisnt both of these guys I think Bailey has the edge. He was a STUD both defensivley and at the plate. He always seemed to get the big hit when the game was onthe line.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 05, 2011, 11:38:19 PMThat's 29 players. NCAA postseason limit I think is 23? (Maybe that's changed). So whoever wants to try to cut 6 names off that, be my guest! :)
i'll volunteer oldham to come off the list...he had a couple of great years, but that's just it...he only had a couple of great years...too short-lived to be on an all decade team
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2011, 10:07:25 PM
inghram and brashears honored as first team academic all-district...congrats!

http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2011/5/6/BB_0506111038.aspx
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 08, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
Here are my thoughts on a few of the accolades...

Kenny Moreland is, by FAR, the best pitcher I've seen. Despite the accolades of Van Sickler, when watching both pitch Greg does not come close to the level that Moreland was on.

I agree with Back2Back in that Bailey has the edge of Ingram. While Ingram is very, very good, Bailey was about as good as they come at the dIII level. I wouldn't even Ingram is easily the 2nd best SS after Bailey, as Henry (SU) is just as good, if not better, than Ingram.

Ryan Anderson from SU has a 2 very, very good years in the OF.

Maloney and Burgess both from GC had MONSTER junior years, but kind of fell off in their SR years.

Brett Thomas was a stud 3B. (I just recently played him in old man's softball; he can mash one of those too)

Kevin Brashears is certainly deserving of being in the OF conversation, as does Connor Madden once his collegiate career comes to a close. Both are about as good as it gets offensively.

Blake Rice and Ben Moore from NCWC deserve in the conversation, as does Matt Smith and Chris Pecora.

That's about all I can think of out of memory....Any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 09, 2011, 06:43:13 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 08, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
Here are my thoughts on a few of the accolades...

Kenny Moreland is, by FAR, the best pitcher I've seen. Despite the accolades of Van Sickler, when watching both pitch Greg does not come close to the level that Moreland was on.

I agree with Back2Back in that Bailey has the edge of Ingram. While Ingram is very, very good, Bailey was about as good as they come at the dIII level. I wouldn't even Ingram is easily the 2nd best SS after Bailey, as Henry (SU) is just as good, if not better, than Ingram.

Ryan Anderson from SU has a 2 very, very good years in the OF.

Maloney and Burgess both from GC had MONSTER junior years, but kind of fell off in their SR years.

Brett Thomas was a stud 3B. (I just recently played him in old man's softball; he can mash one of those too)

Kevin Brashears is certainly deserving of being in the OF conversation, as does Connor Madden once his collegiate career comes to a close. Both are about as good as it gets offensively.

Blake Rice and Ben Moore from NCWC deserve in the conversation, as does Matt Smith and Chris Pecora.

That's about all I can think of out of memory....Any thoughts?

Of guys I saw...Jason Dooley was probably the best pitcher, though Moreland had a better overall D-III career because it was longer. Dooley was pitcher of the year over some guy named DeSalvo. I don't know if he ever amounted to anything or not. :)

I can't imagine a better hitter than Matt Turner. He and Jeremy Elliott in the same outfield was sick. The USAS seems to be a little thin up the middle in the infield, but Chad Anderson and Armando Reyes from Averett were both really good defensive players. I actually remember thinking when he was in high school that Brett Thomas would make a really good college pitcher. Threw close to 90, needed some mechanics work. Jeremy Schutt just hit everything he saw for a year. I remember thinking he would come back to earth and I guess he did...the next season!

So many good players on those teams in the early 2000s. P Doug Heagen from Ferrum was another good one, they just never had enough help. Chris Phaup had a huge 2002 WS. Rob Dye tried to throw CNU to a championship just about by himself. Threw a CG, then later closed a game and got the win and tried to start the next day and got through 4 innings with the lead but ran out of gas in the 5th and they didn't get him out soon enough. The defense really let them down and let his pitch count get up, though one of the errors was his own. Still, a bigtime effort and a really good pitcher. Not very often a guy starts 2 games in a Series and gets 3 decisions.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2011, 12:36:02 AM
CNU -- the projection has you flying to Millington, but you have to like the teams you will face in a 6-team bracket!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 16, 2011, 02:19:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2011, 12:36:02 AM
CNU -- the projection has you flying to Millington, but you have to like the teams you will face in a 6-team bracket!

I wouldn't sleep on Thomas More or Franklin, assuming that's how it goes down.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Will2Win on May 19, 2011, 03:37:09 PM
Adios CNU...disappointing end to a good season!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on May 22, 2011, 05:28:18 PM
Well the season ended on sour notes for two very good USAS teams in SU and CNU.  With CNU losing the first two games it was a disappointing appearance in the NCAA tourney where expectations were high for a team that had a fantastic season.  SU I am sure feels even worse even though they had a better appearance in the regional.  Making it to championship day undefeated and then losing two w/ a trip to the DIII championship on the line, I am sure feels worse than the 0-2 CNU took.  Well the season is over for the USAS for 2011, and I am sure we all look forward to 2012.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on May 25, 2011, 01:03:32 PM
Three USAS players made the All-American team for 2011.  VanSickler was first team, w/ Madden making the second team, and Brashears making Honorable-Mention.  Congrats to all three on fantastic seasons.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on June 14, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned yet but I just got a letter from NCWC that Rocky Mount, NC is the new host of the Spring Conference tournaments starting 2013. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on June 17, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
Good for the Bishops!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on July 19, 2011, 02:22:32 PM
Has anyone heard if any of the USAS seniors got picked up to play baseball anywhere?  Whether it be indy ball or free agent tryout.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on August 03, 2011, 03:19:33 PM
Ethan Carter coming to CNU?  Any truth to this rumor?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on August 03, 2011, 03:25:02 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 09, 2011, 06:43:13 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 08, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
Here are my thoughts on a few of the accolades...

Kenny Moreland is, by FAR, the best pitcher I've seen. Despite the accolades of Van Sickler, when watching both pitch Greg does not come close to the level that Moreland was on.

I agree with Back2Back in that Bailey has the edge of Ingram. While Ingram is very, very good, Bailey was about as good as they come at the dIII level. I wouldn't even Ingram is easily the 2nd best SS after Bailey, as Henry (SU) is just as good, if not better, than Ingram.

Ryan Anderson from SU has a 2 very, very good years in the OF.

Maloney and Burgess both from GC had MONSTER junior years, but kind of fell off in their SR years.

Brett Thomas was a stud 3B. (I just recently played him in old man's softball; he can mash one of those too)

Kevin Brashears is certainly deserving of being in the OF conversation, as does Connor Madden once his collegiate career comes to a close. Both are about as good as it gets offensively.

Blake Rice and Ben Moore from NCWC deserve in the conversation, as does Matt Smith and Chris Pecora.

That's about all I can think of out of memory....Any thoughts?

Of guys I saw...Jason Dooley was probably the best pitcher, though Moreland had a better overall D-III career because it was longer. Dooley was pitcher of the year over some guy named DeSalvo. I don't know if he ever amounted to anything or not. :)

I can't imagine a better hitter than Matt Turner. He and Jeremy Elliott in the same outfield was sick. The USAS seems to be a little thin up the middle in the infield, but Chad Anderson and Armando Reyes from Averett were both really good defensive players. I actually remember thinking when he was in high school that Brett Thomas would make a really good college pitcher. Threw close to 90, needed some mechanics work. Jeremy Schutt just hit everything he saw for a year. I remember thinking he would come back to earth and I guess he did...the next season!

So many good players on those teams in the early 2000s. P Doug Heagen from Ferrum was another good one, they just never had enough help. Chris Phaup had a huge 2002 WS. Rob Dye tried to throw CNU to a championship just about by himself. Threw a CG, then later closed a game and got the win and tried to start the next day and got through 4 innings with the lead but ran out of gas in the 5th and they didn't get him out soon enough. The defense really let them down and let his pitch count get up, though one of the errors was his own. Still, a bigtime effort and a really good pitcher. Not very often a guy starts 2 games in a Series and gets 3 decisions.

Shenandoah had a kid (Chris Kees) that duked it out with Dooley all of the time when SU won 31 games back in 2000 or 2001?  I think Kees had 11 to 14 wins?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on August 04, 2011, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on August 03, 2011, 03:19:33 PM
Ethan Carter coming to CNU?  Any truth to this rumor?

I read a article and it did mention CNU as a possible place to play next year.  Below is a snipet from the article in the Daily Press

Carter missed out on South Carolina's repeat championship, but he's hoping to return to Columbia next month.

"They had some guys (go) in the draft that need to sign officially before they can offer me a scholarship," Carter said. "If not, I've been exploring a couple of Division II schools and even Christopher Newport."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on August 07, 2011, 11:26:16 AM
No Ethan Carter is not headed to CNU.  Last word was he is headed to UNC-Pembroke.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 10, 2011, 01:36:34 PM
Last I heard Ethan Carter was going to Louisburg. But that was per a newspaper story back in January.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on August 10, 2011, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on August 10, 2011, 01:36:34 PM
Last I heard Ethan Carter was going to Louisburg. But that was per a newspaper story back in January.
HE already played his one year at Louisburg, the year before he was at South Carolina and with Louisburg being a JUCO his two years are up and he needs to go to a 4 year school. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on August 15, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
blake maxwell has had a pretty nice season between double a and triple a this year...

http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2011/8/15/BB_0815114855.aspx

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t546&t=p_pbp&pid=476190

combined 4-5 with a 2.21 era and 12 saves in 42 appearances
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on August 16, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: narch on August 15, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
blake maxwell has had a pretty nice season between double a and triple a this year...

http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2011/8/15/BB_0815114855.aspx

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t546&t=p_pbp&pid=476190

combined 4-5 with a 2.21 era and 12 saves in 42 appearances

Maybe a September call up in his future????
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on August 21, 2011, 10:26:44 AM
Well it's that time again.  The players are heading back to school over the next few weeks.  All of the teams in the USAS will then begin the fall practice season.  Each team having brought in their group of freshmen.  So as each team begins their quest for the 2011-2012 season.  Who are some of the incoming freshmen that we might see help their team this season?  Also which teams are we looking to make a run at the USAS title this year.  Are you ready to get started?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on September 21, 2011, 06:08:05 PM
Looking for something different from Battling Bishops this year.  We've had 2 horrible years in a row, combined with the inability of the coaching staff to put the players in the best possible situation to succeed has led to NCWC falling from the top of USAS.  There seems to be a few fresh faces on the coaching staff that will hopefully infuse some enthusiasm on those boys and bring us back to where NC Wesleyan baseball belongs.  Structure and defining roles in the fall would be a good start...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on September 22, 2011, 09:04:48 PM
Hoping to see the Captains in action this weekend if the weather cooperates.  The expectations are high for CNU after last year's impressive regular season and conference tournament run which ended sadly with a very poor showing at the NCAA Regional.  The Captains only lost 2 starters (one position player and one pitcher) to graduation and had so much bench talent pushing the starters, that they have to be considered the favorite in the USAS.   I know it's early but I'm sure there are some folks out there ready to start the prognosticating about the coming season.  For the second season in a row I'll throw my predictions out there first and let everyone take shots at it.  The usual disclaimer applies - no disrespect is intended to any players, coaches, or teams with this forecast.   It's simply the idle musings of an increasingly older old man:

1) CNU Captains - They lost their leadoff hitter, their #1, and 3 other contributors.  What propelled CNU last year was not just a great starting lineup but an incredibly deep bench and bullpen.  They finished the regular season #1 in the nation and knocked off rival SU in the USASouth tourney.  They will have a big target on their collective back this year, but should be the top team.
2) SU - They lost a couple real studs but they always seem to reload well.  CNU seemed to figure them out last year but none of the other teams did.  Until they do, I see the SU mastery over this conference continuing.  Too bad they are leaving after this season, the CNU-SU rivalry is as good as any in sports.
3) Greensboro - I'm gonna make lots of MU fans angry with this pick, but it just seemed to me that GC was becoming a better team by the end of the year and MU lost several studs.  GC has a huge roster and several redshirt players and seems to be on the upswing.   This could be the biggest miss on my list, but I'm making GC my upset pick of the season.
4) MU - Always solid but without several of their best players from the last few years.  Such is still around but he needs folks to drive home.  Britt was always a force on the mound.  MU is always well-coached and plays hard and smart and if there are some younger players ready to step up, they could really mess up my prediction. 
5) Averett - A surprisingly strong year last year.  Averett is always tough at home and always plays well in the tournament.  Their roster is thin though, and Higgins graduated.  He was a really tough out and accounted for 20% of their runs.  I can't see Averett moving up this list after losing him. 
6) NCW - OK let the hating begin.  NCW has the most passionate fans on this board and I'm sure this slotting will draw their ire.  My thinking is simple - they seemed to be in so much turmoil last season I can't see it turning around very quickly.  I loved the duo of Webb and Knowles - both studs.  I think the previous post to this one shows the uncertainty that surrounds this program.
7) Ferrum - The 18-20 overall record was much better than the 2-9 conference showing, but Ferrum just seems to have trouble competing in this incredibly tough conference.  They were a very young team last year so that bodes well, but most of their power came form Crump who is gone.  Can't see them jumping up this year but maybe the next??

So there it is.  Have fun telling me how wrong I am. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on September 23, 2011, 04:50:21 PM
NoVa Baseball,
you are correct about NCWC.  Over 50% of the roster from last year is gone again, not a good trend.  This has seemed to be the case the past 2 years with our inability to keep players in the program long enough to develop.  Not sure what is going on behind closed doors but it's sure affecting the team. 

Knowles and Webb are HUGE shoes to fill as they ate innings and threw quality games every time they were out there.  We also lost Ben Longton who was a stud freshman closer.  Weekend spots are up for grab and it will be interesting how coaching staff handles those choices.  Defining each players roles this fall will go a long way into a successful 2012 campaign.

NCWC also seems to reload well, so it will be interesting when the rosters are posted to see how much firepower they brought in.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 23, 2011, 08:15:40 PM
WHere did Longton go?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on September 26, 2011, 03:49:57 PM
From what I hear some JUCO in Virginia.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 29, 2011, 10:15:51 PM
Nova,
Thanks for starting the talk around BASEBALL. After a few weeks of fall ball the the text message smack talk has started and I figured I would add my two cents here.
1.   CNU – Yes they lost Vernon who was their RF and leadoff but they have the depth to cover the fielding part but they will need to figure out their leadoff hitter. They had a great year but this is a new year and they will need to remember that they will not see many 3 or 4 pitchers this year and everyone will approach their games with them as beating the #1 team. But that said they are returning virtually the same lineup this year (assuming McDougal replaces Vernon) and the loss of their #1 from last year probably hurts them less than anyone else losing their #3 starter because of their pitching youth and depth. I doubt they have many decisions that need to be made this fall except for maybe they bring either Verdillo or Fleischman into the starting rotation. But I doubt that as they have enough quality starters as to why mess up your closing end of your staff. But CNU better win this year because next year they will probably be 6 or 7th in the league after losing all the seniors this year.
2.   SU – They reload better than anyone but pitching pitching pitching. How do you replace your 1 and 2 when they were that good? Their offense took a hit with Bashiers and Van Sickler gone but bet they are still at the top of the offensive categories at the end of the year. Now they do have to make a tough decision with Scallion. They will need some young guys to really step up. SU knows what it takes to win so they can easily win it all.

I predict CNU and SU at regionals again this year. Also predict both in the top 15 per season poll and top 15 end of season polls. And the only reason SU will not be picked over CNU next year is because they are leaving.... Boo. Think the ODAC really knows what they are getting in this team?

3.   MU – It is about knowing how to win and MU knows how. They are too well coached to really drop lower than this. Period. Such will carry his load but he will need to carry this team so we will see how he holds up.
4.   Greensboro – I agree they are on an upswing but can they win the close ones? I think they are a year out of really being in a position to rule the conference but they are close and will win more than people think. If they stay focused and work the fundamentals like they did at the end of the year they can be anywhere from 1 – 4 so not hating this pick
5.   NCWC – Ok ok they lost everyone but not ready to write them off.  The coaching staff needs to learn to trust their bullpen and things would be better. They are not going to have the horses to ride on the mound like last year but.......
6.   Averrett – Just not enough players and talent. Very good up top but that is where it ends and with the seasons being the way they are they just can't keep up. Sorry.
7.   Ferrum – As young as this team is this could be off by 6 positions, if this teams gets some confidence and momentum they well be dangerous but think this is another team that is a year or two away.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on September 29, 2011, 10:35:00 PM
nova - i like the fact that you went out on a limb, and it's easy to look at last year's standings, replicate them and say "this is how they will finish"...but, i don't see gc moving into the top 3 any time soon...

there is a lot of talk about such carrying mu, and i agree he's got to do his part, but don't forget that thigpen, quick, brown and davis can all hit the ball, too...there is a lot to replace offensively in inghram, lancaster and lovette, but the cupboard isn't exactly bare - the young arms were impressive last year, and should be better this spring - i don't see mu at the top of the conference, but 26 to 30 wins and top three in the conference is certainly well within reach...and win 1,000 for coach austin should happen around the half-way point in the season :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on September 30, 2011, 09:28:37 AM
This is some good early baseball talk.  Glad to hear you guys getting your predictions together.  Has anyone played a fall game yet against outside competition?  If so how did it go, and did anyone see any new contributors to the teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on October 03, 2011, 10:31:05 PM
I can give a quick update about CNU's play in the last week.  They played Rappahannock CC in their fall game and an intra-squad this week.  They really pounded the ball putting up 13 runs to RCC's 3.  The batting order was pretty much as it was last year except that Mark moved to the leadoff spot and McDougal moved into the order in the 7 spot.  Mark is the likely leadoff hitter for CNU this season (he was the leadoff hitter two years ago) but Steele could move up if Mark's new-found power (2 HR's this week) continues.  The meat of the order continues to be deadly with All-Americans Shoemaker and Madden, and power hitters Lindemuth and Saunders all capable of putting up instant offense (which they did against both RCC and their own pitchers).  If McDougal and Keener build on last year's strong seasons and Lenda returns to his freshman and sophomore form, opposing pitchers are going to be hard pressed to deal with this team. 
CNU's pitching was good, not great, against RCC.  I really think Harvell will have at least 5 legitimate starters from which to choose and I'm not sure there is much of a drop off between them.  It's too soon to be predicting the rotation, but you'd have to put Bierlein near the top.  His velocity (which was already good) seems to have increased and he mowed through the RCC batters (who pounded CNU in this game last year).  Goldsmith had moved into the #2 spot by the end of last year, but he will be pressed by a gaggle of young pitchers this year - most of whom pitched very well at times last year.  If Verdillo or Fleischmann move from the pen to the rotation, CNU could have a wonderful problem of trying to find enough innnings for starters.  As someone stated earlier though, it's hard to mess with the phenomenal setup-closer duo that they have become.  One thing is sure, the CNU coaching staff have been recruiting - and more importantly pitching - lots of young arms over the last couple years, and it is starting to pay dividends.
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Post by: D-BAT on October 04, 2011, 10:44:01 PM
Wonder who will replace SU's Neeb who has transferred out?
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Post by: Will2Win on October 05, 2011, 09:43:55 AM
Word is a stud HS All American catcher...find it hard to believe though. Safe bet....i'd say it'll be Sr. Tucker Brown's job to lose.
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Post by: rolln2 on October 06, 2011, 10:00:24 AM
So where Is Neeb transferring to? And does anyone know why?
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Post by: Will2Win on October 06, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on October 06, 2011, 10:00:24 AM
So where Is Neeb transferring to? And does anyone know why?

Word around town is possibly middle-tier D1 or NAIA, depends if he wants to sit out a year or not (Keep in mind he came from a D1 to SU)...Tuition is still rising along with a few other reasons.
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Post by: rolln2 on October 07, 2011, 01:16:44 PM
Well I see CNU has been playing some fall games.  Thanks Nova for the update.  I also saw on their baseball site where they had a little write up about the first two intra-squads.  Has anyone else seen any of the other USA-South teams or heard any news about them this fall?  How about FC, SU, MU, NCW, GC, AU fans.
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Post by: D-BAT on October 07, 2011, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: bossman on October 06, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on October 06, 2011, 10:00:24 AM
So where Is Neeb transferring to? And does anyone know why?

Word around town is possibly middle-tier D1 or NAIA, depends if he wants to sit out a year or not (Keep in mind he came from a D1 to SU)...Tuition is still rising along with a few other reasons.


I'm still scratching my head how he got away from VMI.  How he was not in their immediate plans is beyond me. 

The opportunity to go more south to play baseball and from what I gather is a full-paid scholarship presented itself as a result from playing in the VBL over the past 2 summers.  Free tuition is free tuition no matter how one cuts it.  SU was very fortunate to have his services for two seasons as VMI must not of seen the greater good in Neeb.
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Post by: Will2Win on October 08, 2011, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on October 07, 2011, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: bossman on October 06, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on October 06, 2011, 10:00:24 AM
So where Is Neeb transferring to? And does anyone know why?

Word around town is possibly middle-tier D1 or NAIA, depends if he wants to sit out a year or not (Keep in mind he came from a D1 to SU)...Tuition is still rising along with a few other reasons.

I'm still scratching my head how he got away from VMI.  How he was not in their immediate plans is beyond me. 

The opportunity to go more south to play baseball and from what I gather is a full-paid scholarship presented itself as a result from playing in the VBL over the past 2 summers.  Free tuition is free tuition no matter how one cuts it.  SU was very fortunate to have his services for two seasons as VMI must not of seen the greater good in Neeb.

Very true D-Bat...he's developed into a top notch catcher. He'll do just fine wherever he ends up. Kid's a stud! Don't blame him for the decision he made at all.
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Post by: rolln2 on October 12, 2011, 01:19:22 PM
Well it has been almost a week since my last post.  Have not heard or seen anything about our conference teams in the fall.  Does anyone have any good news or updates on the conference clubs?
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on October 13, 2011, 08:49:05 PM
I can't really tell you about anyone else but CNU as they are the only ones I have gotten to see. My observation is that it looks like the exact same team, you would think that the team just took some time off. The pitching is still good 1 - 5 and the bullpen is what every coach wants. While the pitching probably won't no hit anyone it will keep them in every game. The defense is solid like it was last year, good gloves everywhere and the leftside of the outfield can really cover the ground; but it is CNU and it is about the offense. They where playing a split squad the day I saw them but I will say that the entire team starters and bench can beat the ball. With that offense and the pitching they have they will be tough agaiin this year, don't know if it will be like last year but they will be right there. I talked to some of friends in the valley and they say that Shenadoah is doing ok, hitting the ball well and got some good looking freshman in but other than that I don't know. Come on guys some updates!
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Post by: southernball8 on October 17, 2011, 09:30:08 AM
What do you guys think about Piedmont coming into the conference?
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on October 17, 2011, 02:32:41 PM
I think Piedmount is a very good add. They will replace Shenadoah well. Their two losses at the NCAA regional last year where to Shenadoah. LaGrange is a middle of the road team right now. So they are both good adds. With that said I do not see Christopher Newport staying as this will create a travel burden that may not be acceptable. I know that CNU played Piedmount last year during spring break but really long trip for both teams to travel for a weekend double header. Think that CNU moves probably to CAC.
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Post by: southernball8 on October 19, 2011, 11:35:17 AM
I heard that Newport was leaving but not sure what conference yet. It will be interesting how Piedmont does in their first year. They have some good young players.
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Post by: D-BAT on October 19, 2011, 03:42:36 PM
SU has their annual fall scrimmage with Potomac State this Saturday at 12noon in Winchester at Bridgeforth field.  It'll be interesting to see how the incoming freshman produce since it was stated they have a pretty talented group of newcomers.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on October 21, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
NCWC is pretty much done with their falls scrimmages and are going into their weight room / running phase.  Competition for playing time is wide open as team has tons of new faces and looks to be rebuilding again.  Coach Long always seem to bring in a very strong recruiting class, so although young I would not count out the Bishops from making noise at the top of the USA SOUTH.  Pitching will be the key as with so many new faces, the offense usually takes longer to gell together than do the pitchers.
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Post by: rolln2 on October 23, 2011, 09:48:11 AM
Some good updates on the fall season for some of the teams.  Now we still need to hear from the rest of the conference.  Come on AU, FC, MU, and GC.  Also how did SU look in their scrimmage on saturday?
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Post by: southernball8 on October 27, 2011, 10:26:01 AM
Piedmont played their fall game last night and looked very good. Sweept division 2 North Georgia. A lot of good young talent should be a fun year.
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Post by: rolln2 on October 28, 2011, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: southernball8 on October 17, 2011, 09:30:08 AM
What do you guys think about Piedmont coming into the conference?
I think it will make an already strong USAS conference even stronger.  Piedmont and the coaching staff are already familiar w/ the USAS as they play a lot of the conference each year.
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Post by: NoVa Baseball on October 28, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
I think the addition of the southern teams will definitely make this an even tougher baseball conference - not only are they good programs, but the drive is bound to make home field even more of an advantage in coming years.  The Captains have a southern swing in their 2012 schedule which should give them a taste for what is coming. 

25 SAT BLACKBURN   DEMOREST, GA 1:00
26 SUN PIEDMONT   DEMOREST, GA 4:00
27 MON ADRIAN   DEMOREST, GA TBA

I also hear that the conference is going to a three-game format after next season (no doubt to justify the long drives). 

Don't think the CNU jump to the CAC is that likely to happen anytime soon.  Football drives the conference alignment decisions and the addition of the southern schools makes the USA South a better football conference.  While I completely agree with posts stating that CNU will have a ridiculous travel schedule after next season, I suspect the three game format will help solve that somewhat.  The real travel will be done by the southern teams joining the conference.  They won't have to go to Shenandoah, but the CNU, Ferrum, Averett trips ain't picnics.  My guess is they will try to line up an ODAC game at the front or back of their VA conference games to help fill their schedules and justify the travel. 

To echo the earlier request from Rolln2 - Aren't there any SU or GC or MU or AC or FC fans out there willing to give us a download on your teams?  Throw us a bone here - we've heard more from the team that isn't even part of the conference yet than we have from you guys!
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Post by: D-BAT on November 02, 2011, 06:51:36 AM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on October 28, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
I also hear that the conference is going to a three-game format after next season (no doubt to justify the long drives). 


Anything public on this or just hearsay? 
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Post by: LTBB1971 on November 03, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
Would be nice to see when NCWC comes out with a 2012 roster...
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Post by: D-BAT on November 04, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Word on the street in Winchester is that SU will have 3 starters who can touch 90 or a little better this spring.

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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on November 04, 2011, 08:38:44 PM
D-Bat wow 3 at or above 90 sounds like SU is poised for another run. Thanks for the update.
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Post by: rolln2 on November 05, 2011, 07:31:53 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on November 04, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Word on the street in Winchester is that SU will have 3 starters who can touch 90 or a little better this spring.


That sounds nice to talk about, but I have never seen mph alone win games for a pitcher. Besides, I think most of the hitters in the conference prefer mph over good location and change of speed. But I also say that if they do that is pretty rare for most D3 teams.
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Post by: NoVa Baseball on November 06, 2011, 08:49:11 AM
Agree with Rollin2 on the mph thing.   I think many teams out there have a kid that can throw a ball through a wall sitting on the bench because he can't throw it for a strike, or it has no movement and it winds up beyond the fence too often.  Most coaches hold on to these guys hoping they can teach them some control - at least enough to make them a middle reliever or closer.  Sometimes it works, most of the time they remain Nuke LaLoosh (before he met Crash Davis). 

Not saying that SU arms fall into that category - they could have corralled 3 starters with that velocity.  D-Bat - how about some more detail about these three arms?  Are they new to the team?  How is SU filling the holes left by Brashears and Van Sickler?
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 06, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on November 05, 2011, 07:31:53 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on November 04, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Word on the street in Winchester is that SU will have 3 starters who can touch 90 or a little better this spring.


That sounds nice to talk about, but I have never seen mph alone win games for a pitcher. Besides, I think most of the hitters in the conference prefer mph over good location and change of speed. But I also say that if they do that is pretty rare for most D3 teams.

Hitting over 90MPH is so overrated. Pitchers that can hit their spots. Change speeds and locations are much more effective.  Few D3 pitchers can consistently stay and 90MPH despite all the hype I have heard. At the end of the year it would be nice to see what the ERA's are for these pitchers and  their K's per inning along with opposing batter average to see if they can really PITCH or just throw hard with gun on them.
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Post by: BBFan62 on November 06, 2011, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: CDD3 on November 06, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on November 05, 2011, 07:31:53 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on November 04, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Word on the street in Winchester is that SU will have 3 starters who can touch 90 or a little better this spring.


That sounds nice to talk about, but I have never seen mph alone win games for a pitcher. Besides, I think most of the hitters in the conference prefer mph over good location and change of speed. But I also say that if they do that is pretty rare for most D3 teams.

Hitting over 90MPH is so overrated. Pitchers that can hit their spots. Change speeds and locations are much more effective.  Few D3 pitchers can consistently stay and 90MPH despite all the hype I have heard. At the end of the year it would be nice to see what the ERA's are for these pitchers and  their K's per inning along with opposing batter average to see if they can really PITCH or just throw hard with gun on them.

Well said CDD3. Throwing 90 versus pitching 90 will bring vastly different results. My son played with and against Scott Firth (Clemson) since they were 13. Firth threw 91 as a Junior in high school (saw it on the gun myself) while my son threw 84. Another player (just transfered to Illinois Wesleyan from a Juco) once told me he'd rather face Firth than my son. I was surprised to hear this and ask how that could be. He told me Scott threw hard but, at the time, only had a fastball and curve, whereas my son throws 5 different pitches. He said it was simple - you knew what was coming versus my son, who'll throw any of his pitches in any count, so it was harder to sit on a pitch. Command and cpntrol will beat pure speed.
Still, if the school does have 3 guys who can throw that hard, it'll be something worth watching.
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Post by: southernball8 on November 07, 2011, 09:29:01 AM
I agree that 90 is way overrated if you can't spot it up. They threw a guy first game of regionals against Piedmont that threw hard and was a transfer from a D-1 and we saw where that got them. Piedmont's ace was consistently 82-84 and spotted very well and shut them down. My question is why are they at a D-3 throwing 90?
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Post by: 108 Stitches on November 07, 2011, 12:21:08 PM
I am new to the board as my son is now playing in the SCAC (freshmen), so I pop in to see what is happening in DIII baseball. To answer your question regarding why 90 throwers are playing DIII it is pretty simple. Academics. My son got more money for academic performance than he was offered at some D1's for athletics, plus he thought it was going to be very difficult to play two ways and take a challenging major at a D1 program. D1 coaches are not paid to graduate kids who want to be Dr's, scientists or engineers, in fact they discourage kids from those majors.  In my son's case he can play in a nationally ranked program, have a  chance to compete in the post season, he has a very chance to start as a freshmen, have a great college experience and major in a difficult degree. (plus the girls are cute in Texas) What is not to like about this?

BTW he was working in the high 80's in HS so I am pretty sure he will at least be touching 90 as a freshmen after being in their strength and conditioning program and with good coaching. As far as pitching goes Trinity probably did not get to Wisconsin because their number 1 flamethrower could not find the strike zone in the regional. It is certainly not all velo, and I would bet the Chapman team could turn on any 90 middle in FB.
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 07, 2011, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: southernball8 on November 07, 2011, 09:29:01 AM
I agree that 90 is way overrated if you can't spot it up. They threw a guy first game of regionals against Piedmont that threw hard and was a transfer from a D-1 and we saw where that got them. Piedmont's ace was consistently 82-84 and spotted very well and shut them down. My question is why are they at a D-3 throwing 90?

Yes you are exactly right. If you can hit your spots throwing 90, no D1 in the program will keep you. I know several guys that hit mid 90's that get cut from minor league teams because:
1) Cant throw strikes
2) Dont have a 2nd pitch that can be thrown for strikes so the batters light him up.

I have seen a D3 SoCal pitcher who threw in the 90's get lit up for several runs several times in 2010.
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Post by: baseballVA on November 07, 2011, 10:35:22 PM
A lot of people think they throw 90, or think somebody throws 90 and they really throw about 84-85.  Or they throw 80-81 and claim to throw 86-87.  Thats another thing to consider.  A lot of people are clueless.
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Post by: D-BAT on November 09, 2011, 01:37:25 AM
Quote from: NoVa Baseball on November 06, 2011, 08:49:11 AM
Agree with Rollin2 on the mph thing.   I think many teams out there have a kid that can throw a ball through a wall sitting on the bench because he can't throw it for a strike, or it has no movement and it winds up beyond the fence too often.  Most coaches hold on to these guys hoping they can teach them some control - at least enough to make them a middle reliever or closer.  Sometimes it works, most of the time they remain Nuke LaLoosh (before he met Crash Davis). 

Not saying that SU arms fall into that category - they could have corralled 3 starters with that velocity.  D-Bat - how about some more detail about these three arms?  Are they new to the team?  How is SU filling the holes left by Brashears and Van Sickler?

1 returner, 1 rookie and a new guy who has not seen any time on the mound for SU.

Info comes from very reliable sources inside SU's walls.  2 of these two young men have developed within SU's program.   

It was stated that SU has one of their most talented freshmen classes ever as several of these new Hornets have great opportunities to play if they win the position(s) outright.

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Post by: 108 Stitches on November 09, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: baseballVA on November 07, 2011, 10:35:22 PM
A lot of people think they throw 90, or think somebody throws 90 and they really throw about 84-85.  Or they throw 80-81 and claim to throw 86-87.  Thats another thing to consider.  A lot of people are clueless.

It is called "ask dad subtrack 7". There is also "High School 90" and "College 90". HS touched it once with a strong tail wind during a bull pen one time, and working in the 90's.
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Post by: baseballVA on November 09, 2011, 01:25:21 PM
agreed, touching 90 and throwing 90 are two completely different things.  someone can sit 85-87 and jump up and hit 90 once or twice.  but when somebody is sittin 90 its completely different.  and especially D3 its hard to believe that anybody throws 90 let alone 3 guys on one team.  some d1 programs have 3 guys that sit 90 the rest high 80s. 
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Post by: southernball8 on November 09, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
I agree. Most pitchers that are throwing 90 in D3 did not come in their freshman year throwing that. I know of two pitchers that built up that but were mid 80's out of high school. I would love to see a flat 90 mph fast ball!!
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Post by: BBFan62 on November 09, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: southernball8 on November 09, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
I agree. Most pitchers that are throwing 90 in D3 did not come in their freshman year throwing that. I know of two pitchers that built up that but were mid 80's out of high school. I would love to see a flat 90 mph fast ball!!

I agree completely with the last 3 threads. Love the "ask dad and subtract 7". So true! It can also depend upon which gun, Jugs or Stalker. One will register a couple of mph or so below the other.
We could've had at least 2 that will hit 90 a few times in a game but one guy told coach on the first day of practice he decided not to play anymore. He battled arm problems his whole career and, due to them, was only able to give us 12 ( but solid) innings last year.

A combination of strength training and mechanical adjustments will get some guys to 90 or slightly beyond. When coach used the gun on our staff during fall ball we had 3 guys 86-87 and 1 guy at 89, so we'll see how the winter workouts go and whether or not they'll have the big C's (control and command)  in the spring.
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Post by: PNeal7 on November 09, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
I agree with all of the comments made in regards to this MPH discussions. As any true baseball player or fan knows, MPH is one of the most vastly overrated numbers in the game. One of the best pitchers of all time in the MLB was Greg Maddux, and we all know where he registered on the gun. I would rather have a kid who is pitching at 84-86 than a kid throwing 90 anyday. Mixing speeds and location are far superior qualitities for a pitcher to have than simple MPH. Two of the best pitchers the USAS has had in recent years, and for that matter ever, are Kenny Moreland and Greg Van Sickler; neither of which were 90+ MPH pitchers. While both probably touched 90 once or twice in their careers, neither would sit much higher than 86-88.

I have to admit, I love the "ask the dad and subtract 7 rule." It is completely true. While SU may be geared up for another solid run this season, it is extremely unlikely they have 1 or 2 kids hit 90; much less 3. Brent Berschinger used to be able to top 90 some out of high school, but that was a few injuries ago, so I'd be axnious to see if he can still hit that speed. I would say he would be able to hit 90 a few times, so I'll give them 1 90+ guy in Brent. However, I am not quite sure where the other 2 come from. While I admit I do not know their roster as I did a few years ago, I have a decent grasps on it given my locality to their Winchester location. Unless the other 2 kids are FR, I do not see them having another guy touching 90+.

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Post by: 108 Stitches on November 09, 2011, 05:27:52 PM
Ohh good ole' velocity always gets the juices flowing.....

First, this comes up all of the time. Greg Madux WAS a hard thrower and was drafted out of HS mostly because how hard he threw. Second, a hard thrower who can locate will always win vs. a soft thrower who can locate. There is nothing better than a watching a hard thrower who's FB runs IMO. Third: Everyone agrees that velocity means nothing if you can't hit the strike zone, and change speeds. Finally I imagine most Div III 90MPH guys develop after they are in college otherwise they would most likely be playing Div I.  I personally know one who was a mid 85 guy out of HS and was drafted this year out of CLU. He now works low 90's now and touches 95.

I am quite sure that there are a number of freshmen pitchers who, after being in their colleges strength and conditioning program and working full time with a pitching coach will at least touch 90 this year.
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Post by: BBFan62 on November 09, 2011, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on November 09, 2011, 05:27:52 PM
Ohh good ole' velocity always gets the juices flowing.....

First, this comes up all of the time. Greg Madux WAS a hard thrower and was drafted out of HS mostly because how hard he threw. Second, a hard thrower who can locate will always win vs. a soft thrower who can locate. There is nothing better than a watching a hard thrower who's FB runs IMO. Third: Everyone agrees that velocity means nothing if you can't hit the strike zone, and change speeds. Finally I imagine most Div III 90MPH guys develop after they are in college otherwise they would most likely be playing Div I.  I personally know one who was a mid 85 guy out of HS and was drafted this year out of CLU. He now works low 90's now and touches 95.

I am quite sure that there are a number of freshmen pitchers who, after being in their colleges strength and conditioning program and working full time with a pitching coach will at least touch 90 this year.

Having been a life long Cubs fan all I can say is, "Wait 'till next year!" 108 stitches, you're right. Maddux (Greg, not Mike!) threw up to 93 coming out of high school. When Mike (5 years older than Greg) was asked when he realized Greg had potential he answered "When he was 15 and I came home with some of my buddies from college. We played a pick up game and nobody could touch him". Maddux tells everyone that he realized he was more effective at a lower speed because he had better movement and could spot the ball better. At the end of his career I attended a Padres - Cubs game during which Maddux struck out 7 batters. Okay, they were Cubs, but pro player neverless, and Maddux never topped 86 on the stadium gun.
As far as D1 vs D3, go to school for the education first, baseball second. If you are skilled enough to get drafted, heck, go try it out. If you get hurt or cut, at least you have your degree. Even D players, other than the top tier, have a very slim chance of getting drafted. Heck, just do the numbers of draft numbers (about 1,500 each year) versus the 6,000 players in college and the 1000,000 or more kids playing high school ball. Plenty of players are not going to hear the phone ring. So, when it comes to college ball I told my son (he chose D3 over D1) - when it comes to playing in college remember 3 things. Education. Education. Education.
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Post by: baseballVA on November 09, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
no kid wants to chose d3 over d1. 
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Post by: BBFan62 on November 09, 2011, 08:28:26 PM
Quote from: baseballVA on November 09, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
no kid wants to chose d3 over d1.

baseball Va,
Not quite the case. My son wanted a small to medium sized school that would challenge him academically. He would have gone to the University of Wisconsin - Madison, because his sister was there but they do not have a baseball program.
He scored a 35 on his ACT's. At his school the average ACT was 31 when he entered. He was, until this year, triple majoring in Math , Chemistry, and Economics, but decided against Chemistry. This fall is his "weak" semester, in that he is takinbg 16 credit hours. Also, he's taking honor courses. He also received credit for all 5 of his AP classes he took during his senior year of HS. Last fall, as a Sophomore, he took 21 hours. All that and baseball too. D3 cares about education. It's not always the case a D1's. So, there really are players looking to get an education while having fun playing ball. He has been a starter since his Freshman year. That year he was a starter (RHP) and also DH. Last year he started 1b when he wasn't on the mound. If he went to a D1 school he most likely would not have been a starter and would not have played a position when he wasn't pitching. So, look beyond the letters of the baseball being played and understand education should be the number one reason for going to college.
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Post by: D-BAT on November 10, 2011, 12:28:36 AM
Some asked for reports from SU ... so I shared what I was told and now others are saying it's not so.

So what others are telling me that one of the coaches within SU is lying to me, correct?

For the record, the Brentschinger kid never hit 90mph in high school and was injured his SR year.

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Post by: PNeal7 on November 10, 2011, 09:06:39 AM
While I was out of high school during the end of his career, I faced Berschinger in the summers a few times before he was injured. He was throwing every bit of upper 80's consistently; and I was told by some fans in the stands that the gun on him hit 90 once or twice. I do recall he got hurt, as if I am not mistaken he orginially had a scholarship to Western Carolina.

I am by no means implying a SU coach is lying; heck, they know their program and roster better than any of us "armchair quarterbacks" do. If they claim to have 3 guys who can hit the 90's, then maybe the do. However, I'll be extremely anxious to see if these kids hit that MPH level; and if they do, if they can "pitch" at that MPH level. I am by no means degrading any schools in the USAS, especially given that I played in the conference, but if a kid can consistently "pitch" at 90, meaning being able to locate 90 and mix speeds, then they shouldn't be playing in the USAS.

I am in complete agreeance with all of the education comments. There are a number of kids who choose to go to a smaller school strictly due to academics. With the schedule of a Division I baseball program, it is extremely tough for a kid to keep up with their academics. The USAS has had a number of very, very talented players who easily could have played at a higher level, including Divison I; but they chose Division III. While I am not implying academics was the sole reason, I am sure it played a role in some. I tend to believe a lot of high level talented players choose smaller schools due to the opportunity to play right away; rather than redshirt and sit out a few years while they "buy their time."
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Post by: 108 Stitches on November 10, 2011, 06:59:27 PM
Congrats to your son BBFan62, sounds like an exceptional kid, but I guess you knew that. ;)

I would agree with baseball Va,  as far as most talented kids wanting to play D1 vs. D3 baseball. However for high academic kids wanting to play competitive baseball and take a difficult major there are not a lot of options in the D1 world. Ivy's yes, Stanford yes, Rice maybe, however for any top 25 D1 program, the possibility is slim other than Stanford, and actually play on the field . D1 coaches are paid to win and not have your son graduate with a pre-med, science, math, or engineering major. As far as the competitive level of the baseball a top 20 D3 programs would compete quite nicely with the Ivy programs. These also give a player the chance to play for a winning program and also participate in post-season competition. (and actually have a chance of getting to the national championships)

As far as I can tell D3 baseball is broken into two groups, approximately 20% of the programs are nationally ranked or are putting out very competitive teams year in and year out. If you want to play competitive baseball and take a difficult degree then D3 baseball is the place for you, particularly at a school that has a very competitive program.

Like you BBFan, my son was a D1 player who had options to play at the mid major level but when he took into account the ability to take a difficult major, play competitive baseball and actually play on the field all four years, then he decided on playing D3 baseball. He found an excellent school that is nationally ranked, they win a lot, he has a good chance to play two ways as a freshmen and he is also getting more money for academics than he was offered athletically. Not much to not like.

As far as draftability, he will have the same prospect as playing for a mid major D1. He will get to play summer ball against D1 players and what will be will be as far as the draft goes. 
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Post by: BBFan62 on November 10, 2011, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on November 10, 2011, 06:59:27 PM
Congrats to your son BBFan62, sounds like an exceptional kid, but I guess you knew that. ;)

I would agree with baseball Va,  as far as most talented kids wanting to play D1 vs. D3 baseball. However for high academic kids wanting to play competitive baseball and take a difficult major there are not a lot of options in the D1 world. Ivy's yes, Stanford yes, Rice maybe, however for any top 25 D1 program, the possibility is slim other than Stanford, and actually play on the field . D1 coaches are paid to win and not have your son graduate with a pre-med, science, math, or engineering major. As far as the competitive level of the baseball a top 20 D3 programs would compete quite nicely with the Ivy programs. These also give a player the chance to play for a winning program and also participate in post-season competition. (and actually have a chance of getting to the national championships)

As far as I can tell D3 baseball is broken into two groups, approximately 20% of the programs are nationally ranked or are putting out very competitive teams year in and year out. If you want to play competitive baseball and take a difficult degree then D3 baseball is the place for you, particularly at a school that has a very competitive program.

Like you BBFan, my son was a D1 player who had options to play at the mid major level but when he took into account the ability to take a difficult major, play competitive baseball and actually play on the field all four years, then he decided on playing D3 baseball. He found an excellent school that is nationally ranked, they win a lot, he has a good chance to play two ways as a freshmen and he is also getting more money for academics than he was offered athletically. Not much to not like.

As far as draftability, he will have the same prospect as playing for a mid major D1. He will get to play summer ball against D1 players and what will be will be as far as the draft goes.

Well stated 108 stitches. Best of luck to your son as he progresses. I actually forgot about the money aspect. Considering the NCAA changes regarding how money needs to be awarded to players, many kids will get a lot more from a D3 school because D1 schools have to spread it around better. His school ended up giving him 3 offfers, increasing the amount each time. Aside from academics they also considered "talent". Besides 2 sports, he was a member of the band all 4 years. His HS was invited to China his senior year (he missed 10 days of BB as a result) so they added money for cultural exposure. I doubt he would have gotten as much as he did if he went D1.
He did pitch in a D1 league last summer. He ended up leading the team in appearances, became a starter by the years end, and ended up pitching the third most innings on the team. There were 14 pitchers; he was the only D3 pitcher on the team. Right now he is strugglig with what to do next summer. He is considering taking an internship but really wants to play ball.  So, we'll have to see how everything goes.
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Post by: NoVa Baseball on November 10, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
I feel compelled to pile on here about the D1 vs D3 thing.  A lot of factors go into a college decision.  In my estimation, most of the recruited players at top echelon D3 teams could easily play at the lower echelon of D1.  Most were recruited by those same lower echelon D1 schools but chose a top echelon D3 school.  Some of the factors that go into such a decision are: 1) cost - it gets pretty expensive for a kid to go out-of-state to play D1 when he's only picking up 25% in scholarship money.  Shaving 25% off of $40-45k at an out-of-state school is still more expensive than 18K - 25k in-state and many D3 schools will chip in acedemic scholarship money.   And that mandatory 25% just started - in the past it could have been just an offer of book money.  2) Distance - If you are only getting recruited by East Central State Oklahoma, or Binghamton University, NY and you live in Virginia, you must really want to play D1 badly.  Do players get drafted out of those schools? - yes, but odds are still against you there.  3) Playing time - most recruited D3 players start or play as freshman - most D1 do not.  If a kid already has a pretty good idea that professional ball is not a likely destination, why would he want to waste 1-2 years on the bench?  Balancing college ball and school is hard enough - I have a great admiration for the kid that sticks it out with limited playing time.  4) Lastly, the aforementioned education value - There are some great academic D1 schools, but there are a lot more that are marginal educational experiences.  Not to pick on East Central (it was my father's undergraduate college) but how can they, (and MOST of the lower echelon of D1 baseball) compare to the vast majority of D3 schools which are typically excellent private and public schools?

To me there is are several reasons why a low D1 - high D3 player would choose to attend a D3 school.  Having watched many of them competing with all levels of D1 players in summer ball, I'm convinced that inability to play at that level is not one of them. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 11, 2011, 03:29:42 PM
Lets talk the 90MPH club....Out on the West Coast there were several 90 MPH pitchers all in High School all played in the same league in SoCal. All were drafted out of high school. A couple of them even made it to the show BUT they all were hit hard several times in HS games. WHY?

Because they could not throw a offspeed pitch for a strike.

Same goes for the several 90 MPH that played for D3 SoCal schools. I can show where there were hit hard and chased in games with actual box scores..Some these got drafted and are doing well against WOOD bats....

Guys that throw balls that have late movement and can change speeds and throw different pitches for strikes are the ones with low ERA's, high strikeouts and most wins......

Like I said throwing 90MPH is overrated and is only good for scouts guns and not much else in DIII baseball.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on November 12, 2011, 09:39:57 AM
It is very nice to see everyone getting back into the posting as it is my least favorite time as it goes quite this time of year. As to this discussion I agree that hitting your marks and changing speeds is much better than 90 mph. I would much rather have a pitcher rather than a thrower. But I also really hope that SU reloads well for their final season in the USA South! I have really gotten spoiled by the latest rivalry that has blossom with CNU and SU and want that for one more year (call me spoiled or selfish) SU lost some very good players and will need to bring in some but they have the basis for a really good team. So I am hoping that all reports for SU are true – I heard that they were really stroking the ball.
As to best pitcher who can change speeds, hit marks and get the hitter to hit the pitch he wants him to hit it is IMHO, on the better top level D3 teams, either the #1 or the closer. They generally have the best velocity and use it as a tool not a crutch. Agree – disagree let me know.
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Post by: baseballVA on November 12, 2011, 03:42:43 PM
i think that velocity is a huge advantage especially at the D3 level.  Most of the D3 hitters have not been exposed to 90+ mph.  (other than "dad plus 7" 90).   but regardless, even if a guy is throwing 90 and may have control issues he will do well in D3. no doubt that if he faces a quality club he will occasionally get ran out early, but for the most part he will have success because he will have 1 other pitch that he can "show."  It may not be a strike but enough to keep the hitters off balance.  Also, sometimes if a 90 mph pitcher is wild, it makes the hitter uneasy in the box and is not only effective because its fast but because the control issues makes batters a bit apprehensive.  Throwing hard is a huge advantage.  Not so much at D1 because there are more guys that do throw that hard, and the hitters are more exposed to it.  Also, throwing 90+ will obviously have an advantage when considering the draft because you can learn control and learn new pitches.  Sometimes you cant teach 90.  Its like running speed.  They say you can't teach speed.  You may be able to work and get a bit faster or throw a bit harder, but for the most part those things are God gifts.  Speaking from experience at both levels of play. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: southernball8 on November 14, 2011, 09:36:38 AM
I do not agree with you at all when you say most D3 guys have not been exposed to 90+. Where I played high school my Junior year there was a team in the region with all 3 starters throwing low to mid 90's and other teams in the region had that as well. Oh yea...that team also had 5 kids drafted that year. If you throw 90 and are flat you are going to be in for a long day.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on November 15, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
If you throw 90+ in D3 you WILL be able to get away with more mistake pitches....flat out.  That usually catches up to you by the 4th inning.  second time around the lineup, smart hitters will figure you out and you will be running your laps by the 5th cause you will be out the game.  I have been coaching pitchers at the HS level since 2005 and I have seen many pitchers at the 80, 81 MPH level that can get consistent outs cause they can master the change up...personally to me the best pitch in baseball.
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 16, 2011, 08:10:33 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on November 15, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
If you throw 90+ in D3 you WILL be able to get away with more mistake pitches....flat out.  That usually catches up to you by the 4th inning.  second time around the lineup, smart hitters will figure you out and you will be running your laps by the 5th cause you will be out the game.  I have been coaching pitchers at the HS level since 2005 and I have seen many pitchers at the 80, 81 MPH level that can get consistent outs cause they can master the change up...personally to me the best pitch in baseball.
You are exactly right. Good teams, good players will catch up to the 90 MPH guys. I saw in high school and several times in D3 games. I seen guys that throw 90 MPH get chased several times over the years before the 5th. I see guys that throw low 80's last a whole game just getting outs and winning games. Now a guy that throws 90 MPH that throws strikes with a outstanding change up can be unhittable. But if that were true you wont find him pitching for any college team and never at the D3 level.

I watched the career wins leader at a top well known D3 school never threw above 85 mph. He pitched 4 years as a starter.

Years ago I witnessed Troy Percival early in his career of the Angels come into the 9th and give up 3 home runs to the Indians on fast balls near a 100 MPH. Guess what, at that time in his career all he had was a fastball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on November 24, 2011, 09:47:19 AM
To all my fellow USA South and all baseball fans have a HAPPY and SAFE  Thanksgiving!
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Post by: WHEELIN WES on November 28, 2011, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: baseballVA on November 09, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
no kid wants to chose d3 over d1.

This is an untrue statement as others have pointed out. My son had the opportunity to go play at a D1 college coming out of high school. This school was honest and upfront with him letting him know he would have to redshirt his freshmen year and would be destined to be a left-handed reliever out of their bullpen and they offered no educational major that he had the least bit interest in so they were quickly scratched from his list of possible college choices. He had a handful of offers from good D2 schools but only one of those fell into the range of distance he wanted to travel away from home and although they did offer a major he was interested in he knew up front it would probably be his junior year before he started seeing significant pitching appearances (this school won the D2 national championship his college freshman year and the coach left the door open for him to transfer to them any time he wanted to with athletic scholarship money on the table all the way through his college career-a fine and a highly respected coach). As a young man that had been a starting pitcher all his life and had never spent any time not playing on the bench was looking for a college with the right educational field and a place where he felt like he could earn his way onto the mound his freshman year. A ton of D3 schools recruited him and he quickly narrowed his choices down and made his final decision. As a freshman he gained some significant pitching time and and began his sophomore year as a weekday starter posting a great record and by the end of the year had worked his way up to share time as the number two starter. As a Junior and Senior he went on to serve as the number one starter for his team and in the midst of this after his freshman year he was invited to play in a wood bat college leagues (one of only two D3 players on the team that year) where after his junior year summer (the only D3 player) he garnered the league's Most Outstanding Pitcher Award.
In June 2011, I had the honor and privilege of watching my son walk across the stage at NCWC and receive his BS in Environmental Science on time- eight semesters in four years which he has since put to good use.
So, he absolutely made the perfect decision for himself. He played with some great teams, great teammates and friends, accomplished some really good things on the baseball field and also accomplished the most important thing of going to college-gained a great education.
So the right D3 school was the perfect fit for him (and for me and his mom as well for with the academic awards scholarships he was given the financial cost on us was basically a wash versus he D2 or D3 option) to attain all of his goals as it is for many other young men.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on November 28, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: baseballVA on November 09, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
no kid wants to chose d3 over d1.

I just dont believe this statement at all. Most D1 players get very little money for scholarships. Many D3 schools financial aid packages are better. I have seen D1 players transfer into D3 programs because of being unhappy with their playing time, coaching staff, school, or lack of team success in D1...

A West Coast team I know goes to D3 Regional playoffs almost every year and most years the DIII World Series.

I also know a D1 school in the West, ends up in last place most years or bottom of the conference. Most players are not in the program all 4 years and few if any graduate from the D1 school in 4 years.  I know many players that have miserable experiences in D1 programs and would have been better off playing baseball in a D3 program.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 28, 2011, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: baseballVA on November 12, 2011, 03:42:43 PM
even if a guy is throwing 90 and may have control issues he will do well in D3. no doubt that if he faces a quality club he will occasionally get ran out early, but for the most part he will have success because he will have 1 other pitch that he can "show."  It may not be a strike but enough to keep the hitters off balance.  Also, sometimes if a 90 mph pitcher is wild, it makes the hitter uneasy in the box and is not only effective because its fast but because the control issues makes batters a bit apprehensive.  Throwing hard is a huge advantage.  Not so much at D1 because there are more guys that do throw that hard, and the hitters are more exposed to it. 
wrong

greensboro college had a kid a few years ago who came to these boards boasting of his 90 mph velocity...he did, indeed throw in the 86-88 mph range consistently, and may have even hit 90+ every once in a while...he also had an era over 7, if i remember correct - i watched the monarchs light him up for 8 or 9 runs in 3+ innings - velocity means little if you can't pitch
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on November 29, 2011, 08:20:26 AM
Well I guess we have all talked enough about the hard throwers in recent posts.  Is anyone ready to start talking and predicting how the teams will finish in the USAS conference in 2012?  The boys' only have about a month or so and they will be back on the field practicing.  January will be here before we know it.  So lets get started talking USAS baseball.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on November 29, 2011, 12:15:15 PM
Although my spirits are high every year, I have been highly disappointed the last 2 years by NCWC play and ability to hold on to returning recruits, so with about 40 games in the schedule I believe anything over 22 wins will be a reach for us.  Pitching staff will have a bunch of unproven players and the only returning bats worth mentioning are Junior C Tyler Clark and Soph OF Hayden Williams.  Anxious to see what shows up on the field 1st weekend.
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Post by: narch on November 29, 2011, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on November 29, 2011, 08:20:26 AMIs anyone ready to start talking and predicting how the teams will finish in the USAS conference in 2012?
pencil the monarchs in for 25+ wins - of course, you could have said that for all but one season since 1980 and you would have been right :)...to be a bit more precise, i think 27 to 30 wins is about right - i think they'll likely finish in the top 3 in the conference and be one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the south region

coach austin should get to victory #1,000 in early to mid march, and that should be a nice celebration

trey such is one hr away from tying the mu career mark set by hall of famer mike brewington (http://www.mumonarchs.com/hof.aspx?hof=6&path=general&kiosk=) - in addition to hitting 33 career hr's, brewington also stole 180 bases...such only needs 179 more sb's to tie brewington in that category, too

losing lancaster, lovette and inghram will hurt offensively, but i think that such, thigpen, quick, davis and brown can carry the load - it is also time for younger to start hitting, and i think he will...he has a solid stroke and hit for power in high school, i hope this is the year that his offense catches up to his defense - the replacement for lovette at 3b will likely be an upgrade defensively...lovette made 13 errors last year and really struggled throwing the ball, and while lovette was clutch (his 37 rbi tied for the team lead), he did only hit .261 - i've heard that there is a frosh who can absolutely fly...if he can get on base, he should be able to replace some of the speed the monarchs are losing in lancaster and lovette - i expect davis to run more this season, as well...he's got the speed...hopefully he's learned how to be a better baserunner - lastly, perry could be a wild card - he was killing the ball early, but struggled with injuries and fought his swing in the middle of the season...by the end of the year, he was the monarchs best pitcher - he could fill a big role both with the bat and on the hill this season

on the hill, losing britt is big, but the monarchs had a team era of 3.34 last year and lose only him...i've heard there are some live arms, but nothing like 3 guys throwing 90 :)...it will be interesting to see how the young arms (womble, judge and bially in particular) mature - those guys all had some really good moments as frosh last year, and i think rhett lee's stuff is just as good as theirs - this could be a really strong staff this year if guys have progressed and stay healthy

as usual, the schedule (http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=baseball&) is pretty tough...frostburg, lynchburg and birmingham southern come to the diamond classic at armstrong-shelly field early in the year, and all are capable of making a run to the regionals - later in the season the monarchs head down to piedmont to take on the lions, montclair and millsaps - vwc (twice), emory (twice), tufts and mary washington should all be difficult games, as well
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Post by: NoVa Baseball on November 29, 2011, 08:05:30 PM
Thanks for the updates Narch and LTHS - I got a good chuckle over the Such base stealing comment.  I'm sure he'd say "if the ball goes over the fence, what's the sense in running?"  The SU contingent sure has gone dark on this board.  Maybe they are already chatting up the ODAC board?  ;)  I'd sure like to hear about that team or any of the other USA South teams.  It would even be fun to hear from the soon-to-be USA South teams.  They are just one year away from them being able to post "hope springs eternal" comments on this board like the rest of us. 
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on November 29, 2011, 08:39:32 PM
Boysofsummer21 official predictions for 2012
1.   CNU – They lost the least of any team as it relates to the team on the field. The pitching staff, while losing their #1 from last year will probably be better than last year because of all the pieces they had in place from starters ( 1- 5) to closer. The team in the field is the same, except for Drew in RF so they have had a lot of time together. But that said they better win this year because their roster is full of seniors! Figure them for 1.
2.   Shenandoah – They lost VanSickler and Baishers but when you re-load with 3 90+ arms they should be my number 1 pick. They won the regular season last year but I think that they will be 2. I do believe that they should play all away games for conference as their farewell tour. No I think Shenandoah will make regionals and with their talent and ability to be prepared they are 1 – 3 but I figure 2.
3.   Methodist – I was pulling for Methodist last year because with a little luck and few breaks we could have had 3 teams in regionals. I think they will be close this year. Their pitching was good last year but while they did have the 2nd best ERA overall they had the 4th best ERA in conference so Methodist needs to do a better job of taking care of non-conference business and they will be there. As for conference I think they will be tough and could be anywhere 1 – 3 but I figure 3.
4.   Greensboro – Needs to replace a lot of seniors on the team but they should be ok. I figure them for middle of the pack and maybe a good tournament team.
5.   Ferrum – Young team, with Crump being their only senior, which is learning and will be better each year. They could make some noise this year but too early to know.
6.   NCWC – Just not really sure what is going on in Rocky Mount. They seem to have mass overturn every year and lately have not been able to bring a mature team to start each season. Hopefully someone with knowledge of what is going on there can let the rest of us know. They also loss quite a bit from last year.
7.   Averett – Ok this could be the worst pick I make but everything seems to be going against Averett. There current posted roster really shows the major issue with Averrett and that is the lack of ability to bring in players. They will really need to have their freshman class step up big. Their pitching should be ok as they are returning the bulk of their starters but just such a big task for them to carry the entire season. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on November 29, 2011, 09:48:32 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on November 04, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Word on the street in Winchester is that SU will have 3 starters who can touch 90 or a little better this spring.

Just to clarify, 3 starters who will be able to touch 90 or a little better.  So most likely in the upper 80's and not 90+ for all 3.

With the amount of starters that CNU has back, how can anyone not pick them #1.  CNU should prevail is all sports, if not, then the coaching staffs are not working hard enough IMHO.
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Post by: rolln2 on November 30, 2011, 08:30:20 AM
Great to hear you all talking USAS baseball.  Great predictions and insight.  It should be fun as usual for the fans, and super competitive on the field for the players.  As we all know the conference is one of the best in the nation year and year out.  So my conference finish goes like this.  CNU,SU,MU,AU,NCW,GC,FC. 
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Post by: NoVa Baseball on November 30, 2011, 11:02:13 PM
It seems like most the esteemed posters on this board are pretty consistent with their 1-3 picks, which I think are pretty safe picks.  The real variability comes in with Averett and Greensboro.  Sure would be nice to get an update from one their fans so we could hear more about their falls and where their fans are projecting them.   How about it AU and GU? - give us something to react to. 
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Post by: PNeal7 on December 06, 2011, 08:12:15 AM
While I'll be the first to admit I do not know a thing about FC, AU, or GC, here are my early predictions: CNU, SU, MU, NCWC, AU, GC, FC. I also do not know much about what NCWC has, but I do know the history of their program and the level of their coach, so I assume they get somewhat back on track. Below are my early season favorites for the major conference awards, with the exception of rookie of the year (and yes, I am biased towards CNU; but who can argue against the players listed below):

Player of the Year: Connor Madden, CNU; Matt Showmaker, CNU; Trey Such, MU; Cory Nelson, SU.
Pitcher of the Year: Greg Goldsmith, CNU.
Coach of the Year: (As always) Between Harvell, Anderson, and Austin.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 06, 2011, 01:56:43 PM
Pneal, now why would you be bais to CNU????
Looking at your predictions I am in agreement with most but not all
Player of the Year: Connor Madden, CNU; Matt Showmaker, CNU; Trey Such, MU; Cory Nelson, SU. --- Think you can add Mark, CNU to the list from what I heard about fall ball.
Pitcher of the Year: think this will be a race between Berlien and Goldsmith both CNU but (since I was a reliever way back in college) how about the year of the closer? The USA South has some good ones and maybe they break through this year – Scallion, SU. Fleischman, CNU. And White, MU. Maybe not because if any of these move to the starting rotation they would be in the battle for pitcher of the year.
Coach of the Year: (As always) Between Harvell, Anderson, and Austin. Win the conference win the award!
Also hope to see the entire clan at the final SU – CNU conference battle! Maybe they will be 1 & 2 again because that was some of the best baseball I have ever seen last year.
Also say happy holidays to Mr. & Mrs. Hokie1!
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Post by: PNeal7 on December 06, 2011, 03:51:33 PM
I am assuming you mean SU v CNU due to the #1 & #2 comment, and if that is what you meant, you will definetly see the entire Neal clan at the game. Excited to see the season kick off!
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Post by: rolln2 on December 06, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
PNeal7 it looks like you have gone even further picking the players along w/ the teams and coaches.  There definitely are a lot of good players in the conference each capable of putting up a good year and earning MVP honors.  Should be interesting to see if those that had great 2011 seasons can repeat their performances or will someone new step up and take the awards in 2012.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 06, 2011, 08:26:45 PM
PNeal - Yes meant the SU - CNU tilt. Sorry for the mis-type.
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Post by: hokieone on December 09, 2011, 08:43:55 AM
It's on the calendar-Mr. and Mrs. Hokieone will indeed be there...and we hope to get to a couple home games in Newport News. We miss seeing everyone...and Cheddars too. ;D 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on December 22, 2011, 09:42:01 PM
CNU starts the season with a #4 ranking by Collegiate Baseball.   They follow Marietta and Chapman (last year's finalists) and Kean (perennial power).  The rest of the USA South is conspicuously absent from the top 30.  Soon-to-be USA South member, Peidmont checks in at #24.  No sneaking up on anyone this year for the Captains - that ranking and the slight to the rest of the conference will ensure that everyone will be gunning for them.  Hope they come out of the chute hot.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on December 23, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
Yes, CNU will certainly have the target on their back from the 1st game this season. Last year's numbers, along with the returning players and this preseason ranking, puts a lot of pressure on the Captains. It's unbelievable the amount of experience they have back in the field. Madden, Lindenmuth, Saunders, Mark, Lenda, and Keener are all three year starters (some have about 3 1/2 to 4 years of starting experience really), while Shoemaker and Steel are also returning starters. Shoemaker would have been a three year starter if not for getting injured two years ago. Insert Chris McDougal (73 AB's last season at CNU; transferred from Liberty) into Drue Vernon's place, and there are your starters. If Goldsmith, Bierlien, and the rest of the CNU starters can throw 6 or 7 IP's solid, CNU has one of the best bullpens in the country in Verdillo and Fleischman.

I know some will just believe I am bias towards CNU, which in fact, you are correct. I am 100% biased towards CNU. Nonetheless, no one can argue have a boatload of talent (not potential; talent) coming back and have high expectations. It's nice to see this level of talent coming out of the USA South in recent years. With what SU has done the past few years, couple with CNU, MU's, and NCWC's (untill last year) consistently turning out highly talented teams, the USAS proves why it is one of the top conferences in dIII. CNU's and SU's teams of the past few years could have easily beaten a lot of dI teams!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 29, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
I'm absolutely surprise to not see Shenandoah in the top 30...They seem to reload real well every year and develop their JV team to compete at a high level.  I'm a NCWC fan but actually think CNU may be a bit low at #4.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on December 29, 2011, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on December 29, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
I'm absolutely surprise to not see Shenandoah in the top 30...They seem to reload real well every year and develop their JV team to compete at a high level.  I'm a NCWC fan but actually think CNU may be a bit low at #4.
I will say I agree w/ your SU thoughts.  But I don't really think #4 is to low for CNU as they were ranked #1 for the last month of the season. You can't take all that away for two bad games at the end.  Considering they only lost a starting RF, and one starting Pitcher from the team that went 39-7.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 30, 2011, 02:00:59 PM
From looking at Shenandoah's 2012 roster I only see one key additions in JR RHP Brent Bertschinger (transfer Hagerstown CC).  The remaining reinforcements look like will come from incoming freshman and JV callups.  Will be interesting to see what coach Anderson puts on the field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 01, 2012, 03:36:18 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on December 30, 2011, 02:00:59 PM
From looking at Shenandoah's 2012 roster I only see one key additions in JR RHP Brent Bertschinger (transfer Hagerstown CC).  The remaining reinforcements look like will come from incoming freshman and JV callups.  Will be interesting to see what coach Anderson puts on the field.

Yes, it will be very interesting.  They did graduate a ton of talent but many opportunities for others to win positions!  They may have lost a key starter on the bump, will have to wait and see until the 1st weekend of games if it holds true.

After talking with an ODAC coach, as he stated, CNU is loaded with talent and enough talent to make a serious run at a Nat'l title.  IMHO, the USAS title is for CNU's to lose.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on January 01, 2012, 10:41:35 AM
I agree with you D-Bat.

I think CNU will have a good advantage too in not buying into the preseason hype and pressure of being labeled as a Nat'l Title contender. I know the coaching staff and players well, and they will certainly keep it loose and lively on and off the field. With the level of experience they have, they won't face any obstacle that 8 out of 9 starters haven't seen before.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 01, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
SU's roster looks to be pretty balanced:

- 12 SR's
- 12 JR's
- 12 SO's
- 15 FR's

http://suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2011-12/roster
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 04, 2012, 09:24:49 AM
Well let's see, bitterly cold last night with flurries and the holiday season is over... Well must be time for college baseball! Ok with players getting ready to head back and start the season prep I am hoping that everyone has a great new year and all the players have the season they hope for. Looking at some of the schedules I am always amazed at CNU's ability to line up quality opponents. Methodist looks to do a nice job of building into the strength of their schedule and Shenandoah starts the season on a tough note.  After reading the pre-season poll I was really surprise of the lack of USA South teams. Shenandoah left off? Really as well as they reload and their ability to groom talent to be ready to step into the lineup year after year. And then no love for Methodist, with a couple of breaks last year they were right there. Anyone have predictions on pre-season All-Americans?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 14, 2012, 07:06:44 PM
Reason why SU is not in top 20, most likely the pollsters took noticed on the amount of talent that they lost. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 17, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
A good reason why CNU will compete for Nat'l title, two preseason All-Americans plus they have everyone but 1 guy back, if I recall correctly.

http://d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-preseason-allamericans-2012
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 17, 2012, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on January 17, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
A good reason why CNU will compete for Nat'l title, two preseason All-Americans plus they have everyone but 1 guy back, if I recall correctly.

http://d3baseball.com/awards/all-americans/d3baseball-preseason-allamericans-2012

Congrats to Madden, Shoemaker, Such and Scallion.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 17, 2012, 07:11:44 PM
Great honor and congrats to the three pre-season all-americans in Madden, Shoemaker and Scallion.  But how does the Fleischmann kid from CNU get left off w/ the best closer numbers in the conference a year ago.  No disrespect to Scallion, but Fleischmanns' numbers were better.  So I think both are deserving to be on the pre-season team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 17, 2012, 11:39:34 PM
SU opened practice today on Shentel's stadium turf field.

Coach Anderson's give his perspective on the team for this spring.

Here's the direct link:
http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/SU_Baseball_Kicks_Off_2012_Season_With_First_Practice_137544068.html
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on January 18, 2012, 07:56:01 AM
Congrats to Connor and Matt, along with Such and Scallion as well. While I did not think CNU would be able to do it last year, they really can't hide Connor down in the 9 hole this year. When you put up two seasons in a row like he has, you aren't going to be able to hide anywhere in the lineup.

For those who have better information into CNU than I do, what is their lineup going to look like? I would think Mark, Steele, Shoemaker, Madden; but then again, they also have Lindenmuth, Saunders, and Keener who would hit 3-4-5 for almost every team in the conference. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 18, 2012, 10:33:30 AM
Thanks PNeal7.  I forgot about Such, so that makes four all-americans to represent the conference to start off the year.  Congrats to Such as I left him off.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 18, 2012, 05:08:02 PM
Christopher Newport Tabbed as USA South Baseball Preseason Favorite


(FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.)- Christopher Newport University, under the direction of 12th-year Head Coach John Harvell, was picked to win the USA South Athletic Conference 2012 baseball title in the preseason coaches' poll. The Captains are the defending USA South Tournament champions but have not won a regular season crown since 2008. Preseason expectations are high for CNU as Collegiate Baseball News placed the Captains fourth in its national preseason poll.

The Captains received six of seven first-place votes (36 points) as head coaches do not vote for their own teams in the balloting.

Defending USA South Regular Season champion, Shenandoah University, finished second in the balloting with 31 points and the final first-place vote. Methodist University placed third in the poll with 26 points while Averett University received 17 points to finish fourth. N.C. Wesleyan College, Ferrum College and Greensboro College, respectfully, rounded out the voting.

The 2012 campaign gets underway on Saturday, February 4th as Ferrum, Greensboro and Methodist are in action. The USA South Tournament will be played April 12th - 15th in Burlington, N.C. at the Burlington Athletic Stadium.

2012 USA South Baseball Coaches Poll
Rank   Institution (1st Place Votes)   Pts.
1.   Christopher Newport (6)   36
2.   Shenandoah (1)   31
3.   Methodist   26
4.   Averett   17
5.   N.C. Wesleyan   14
6.   Ferrum   12
7.   Greensboro   11
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2012, 08:03:18 AM
It was said to me, watch out for Averett and I asked why?

QuoteMost of their lineup is back and their weekend rotation is too. That LHP that threw on Sunday for them last year is pretty good!  They'll miss Higgins in leadoff spot, but they have a decent bullpen as well! USA South is down other than CNU. Its not a stretch to see Averett getting the 2 seed.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 19, 2012, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on January 19, 2012, 08:03:18 AM
It was said to me, watch out for Averett and I asked why?

QuoteMost of their lineup is back and their weekend rotation is too. That LHP that threw on Sunday for them last year is pretty good!  They'll miss Higgins in leadoff spot, but they have a decent bullpen as well! USA South is down other than CNU. Its not a stretch to see Averett getting the 2 seed.
I agree D-Bat.  I think Averett will be better than people think.  The weekend rotation is back and they have enough offense to win some games.  They also played CNU and SU pretty tough last year beating CNU once and playing a tight one against SU in the conf. tourney.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 19, 2012, 01:18:39 PM
Hmmm...besides Sr 1B J. Carter and Jr OF J. Kidd, they don't have anyone that will scare anybody at the plate. They only lost 1 guy on offense so unless you know of some major transfer/freshman reinforcements coming in, I think you are going to see the same stagnant offense. 

On the other hand, their pitching staff will return all their key guys so they should be able to keep games close.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on January 19, 2012, 03:02:30 PM
Looks like CNU will be hosting the South Regional Tournament this year. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on January 19, 2012, 03:56:16 PM
That will be an exciting announcment in Newport News. CNU has the perfect location to host a regional: a gorgeous stadium, numerous surrounding hotels, and as many local resturants as anyone can imagine. With Virginia Beach not too far away, this could be an exciting few days in Newport News.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2012, 05:48:43 PM
Good Deal ... This must be going to be a 6-team regional?  Don't see how they can do an 8-team w/o lights.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 19, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
Is that Official? Wow...I'll be right at home...great!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on January 20, 2012, 08:13:11 AM
While I haven't seen the official press release hit the CNU Athletics web page, it is official. CNU Baseball has a nice Facebook group which has it announced all over it. Congrats to Christopher Newport University and the city of Newport News.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 20, 2012, 11:12:42 AM
BTW ... if this becomes reality, it could do wonders for SU Baseball, well hopefully it would be an agreement where SU could use such a facility.

QuoteMINOR LEAGUES COMING TO CITY? Baseball on council's Tuesday agenda
January 20, 2012
By Vic Bradshaw
The Winchester Star
         
WINCHESTER- The prospect of minor league baseball coming here will be discussed at Tuesday's City Council work session.
No supporting documents are included to provide details about any plans that are in the works. But the simple agenda line - "Discussion regarding Minor League Baseball" - is the first public acknowledgement that city leaders are considering bringing a minor league team to Winchester.

Jim Deskins, executive director of the Winchester Economic Development Authority, is listed as the staff member who will present information to the council. A special meeting of the authority has been scheduled for Monday.

"It is my understanding that the EDA has been working to bring a minor-league baseball team to Winchester," City Council President Jeffrey Buettner said Thursday night. "The EDA will be meeting Monday to discuss such a move, and they should have something for council on Tuesday, barring something unforeseen."

Click here to read the rest of the story in the Winchester Star.
http://winchesterstar.com/articles/view/minor_leagues_coming_to_city

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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 22, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
Well the boys have been back at school and some have already been practicing a couple of weeks.  Any early word out of any of the respective camps on how the boys are looking.  Just two more weeks and some start playing.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 23, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
Special meeting today in Winchester about proposed location of minor league stadium.

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Post by: PNeal7 on January 23, 2012, 01:10:46 PM
I sure hope the infield on the new field will be better than it is on the current field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 24, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
D3 baseball poll out and CNU #7 and SU #21.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 26, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
Folks,

Feb. 14, 2012 will be an historic day in Winchester as a lot of love will be flying around and look for our city council to approve a land transfer of 12 acres over to our EDA which will open up the door for MiLB to move into Winchester!

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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 27, 2012, 06:10:58 PM
Stopped by SU's practice today and it sure does look different with Brashears and VanSickler.  A lot of guys have great opportunities a head of them to win positions! 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 27, 2012, 11:40:11 PM
Hagerstown Mayor Robert E. Bruchey II Bruchey has said Bruce Quinn, majority owner of the Hagerstown Suns, has told him he is considering moving the team to Winchester.

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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 28, 2012, 07:13:35 PM
The weather outside looked pretty good all over the USAS region.  Did any of the boys get out there and scrimmage?  If so how did they look?  Anyone w/ a good report?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 30, 2012, 01:40:26 PM
NCWC scrimmage Saturday and I was able to drive to Rocky Mount and see my son along with how the rest of the team looked.  Pitching was OUTSTANDING!  All but one freshman looked good and threw well.  They even had a knuckleballer that was completely shutting down batters...it was really good to see.  With 2 weeks away from opening vs EMU and Bridgewater, I was extremely pleased to see quality arms on the mound.

Team scrimaged from noon until 6PM, so I'm sure batters were pretty tired when sun went down.  Hitting wise, 2B Jake Alexander really stood out with 4 hits on the day.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 30, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on January 30, 2012, 01:40:26 PM
NCWC scrimmage Saturday and I was able to drive to Rocky Mount and see my son along with how the rest of the team looked.  Pitching was OUTSTANDING!  All but one freshman looked good and threw well.  They even had a knuckleballer that was completely shutting down batters...it was really good to see.  With 2 weeks away from opening vs EMU and Bridgewater, I was extremely pleased to see quality arms on the mound.

Team scrimaged from noon until 6PM, so I'm sure batters were pretty tired when sun went down.  Hitting wise, 2B Jake Alexander really stood out with 4 hits on the day.
The pitching performances sound good for NCWC as they have lost some good arms.  Maybe the young guys will infuse some life into the staff, and some success will follow.  Anyone else have any news from the teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
mu roster (http://www.mumonarchs.com/roster.aspx?roster=113&path=baseball) is up...only one real "surprise" here, and that is the absence of sergio davis - i had heard there was a chance he wouldn't return, but until i saw the roster i didn't get confirmation

i've heard that kirby is the leading candidate to take over at ss, and that he is looking really good out there - having a frosh at ss is a bit scary, though

i've also heard that the monarchs have added a burner to the mix, as well, in one of the frosh...question is, will he hit enough to use the speed?

i've heard good things about the freshman arms, too - dylan moore is a local kid from pine forest hs and i read good things about him in the paper last year...in fact, i recall that he threw a pretty nice game on the mu mound last year when the tornado tore up the pfhs field and they used shelly-armstrong
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 31, 2012, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
mu roster (http://www.mumonarchs.com/roster.aspx?roster=113&path=baseball) is up...only one real "surprise" here, and that is the absence of sergio davis - i had heard there was a chance he wouldn't return, but until i saw the roster i didn't get confirmation

i've heard that kirby is the leading candidate to take over at ss, and that he is looking really good out there - having a frosh at ss is a bit scary, though

i've also heard that the monarchs have added a burner to the mix, as well, in one of the frosh...question is, will he hit enough to use the speed?

i've heard good things about the freshman arms, too - dylan moore is a local kid from pine forest hs and i read good things about him in the paper last year...in fact, i recall that he threw a pretty nice game on the mu mound last year when the tornado tore up the pfhs field and they used shelly-armstrong
Where did Sergio go?  Sounds like MU has some good young prospects.  You know Narch there have been some pretty good fr ss in the conference over the years.  I believe CNU had a fr at ss last year and he was pretty good.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 01, 2012, 08:16:11 AM
A true FR at SS is a bit scary, but CNU certainly has hit the gold mine with it recently. Trae Bailey started for CNU at SS as a FR, and last year Billy Steel has a tremendous year as a FR at SS for CNU. Bailey finished his career having one of the best careers in CNU history and an All-American, and Steel is well on his way.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 01, 2012, 06:04:54 PM
Had another opportunity to catch SU's practice this afternoon and now I clearly understand why the coaching staff is very excited about this year's fresh class!  WOW is what I have to say!  Very impressed!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 01, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
Well we have heard from NCW,MU, and SU about there respective teams here in the early spring practices.  How about it AU,GC,FC, and CNU insiders.  How are your teams looking during their respective early season practices and scrimmages?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 03, 2012, 08:11:50 AM
NCWC had their second scrimage yesterday...batters came out ahead on this one after being dormant on first practice.  Pitchers got hit and the ball even left the yard yesterday...a few tales of things to come to dictate how the Battling Bishops may do this season...

We lost a lot of leadership.  Gone are OF D. Moore, 1B Z. Alexander, 3B J. Parra, LHP M. Knowles and RHP A. Webb...those are huge shoes to fill.

Starting pitching to me it's really up in the air how coach is going to go with starting next week with 4 games.  Senior Kaleb Wessell looks like has one of the 4 spots locked up, but I could not see anyone else stand out to separate themselves from other possible candidates, so we may have a few guys get a shot and see how they perform.

On offense, I think we may be starting a freshman at SS and CF.  Defense looks solid...it will come down to the bats...1 more week to go.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 03, 2012, 09:53:14 AM
ALL I gotta say ... exciting times up here in the 22601 area!    :)

MiLB in Winchester? First pitch could be April of 2013!

Interim City Manager Craig Gerhart said city officials are working under the supposition that the stadium would open in the spring of 2013.


What a huge positive impact this will have in SU!

http://winchestersuns.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2012, 05:44:46 PM
MU season preview (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2012/2/3/BB_0203120153.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 04, 2012, 06:47:44 PM
Some of the boys got going today w/ MC,GC, and FC playing.  The USAS went 2-3 today w/ MC sweeping Roanoke, FC losing to Hampden-Sydney, and GC getting swept by Berry.  Not a good start for the USAS on day one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
perry pitched a gem vs. rc today, tossing six perfect innings with 8 k's - the monarchs banged out 19 hits on the day, and stole 8 bases - womble pitched well in the second game, going 6, giving up just 2 er and striking out 8 himself - such had a pair of doubles in a 3 for 4 day and inched closer to the all-time stolen base record at MU with a sb...what is the over-under on sb's for such this season - if it's higher than 3, i'll take the under :)

coach austin is now just 12 away from 1,000
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 05, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
Looks like the USAS had a better day today w/ MC, and GC both earning wins for a 2-0 day.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 06, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
Hagerstown, Suns: Is the marriage in big trouble?

"Now the Suns are accused of cheating. There are whispers that they are courting a sexy new girl named Winchester. The Virginia city is younger and excited about having a first date with pro baseball. It is enthusiastic to please."

http://www.herald-mail.com/sports/hm-hagerstown-suns-is-the-marriage-in-big-trouble-20120205,0,1943984.story


If the Nat's have the #1 ranked farm system, then you darn better well believe they are not going to play in any 2nd rate stadiums for their home games.

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120201&content_id=26545734&vkey=news_was&c_id=was


These two articles just supports why MiLB is on-deck for Winchester!

Feb. 14th is a huge day for our community!

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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hokieone on February 09, 2012, 07:22:26 AM
Good luck to our CNU Captains opening the season today with a ton of "Great Expectations"!  Funny how when you have a son playing, a three hour drive is nothing...  one pitch at a time guys and have a blast-it's still a game!  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 09, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: hokieone on February 09, 2012, 07:22:26 AM
Good luck to our CNU Captains opening the season today with a ton of "Great Expectations"!  Funny how when you have a son playing, a three hour drive flightis nothing...  one pitch at a time guys and have a blast-it's still a game!  :)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 09, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on February 09, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: hokieone on February 09, 2012, 07:22:26 AM
Good luck to our CNU Captains opening the season today with a ton of "Great Expectations"!  Funny how when you have a son playing, a three hour drive flightis nothing...  one pitch at a time guys and have a blast-it's still a game!  :)

Enjoy!
I just saw the boxscore.  Man I think they really enjoyed themselves today 17-2 over HSC. Looked like they were clicking on al cylinders.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 09, 2012, 11:39:02 PM
If deal is made, MiLB will be played in Winchester come April 2013!

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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 10, 2012, 07:02:56 PM
Looks like in the early season head to head w/ the ODAC that the USAS is playing ok.  In the early go they have 6-1 advantage.  But the ODAC has a chance to make up some ground w/ more head to heads this sat, and sun.  How does everyone think the head to head will turn in 2012 between the ODAC and USAS?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 11, 2012, 05:54:30 PM
NCWC splits with EMU 5-2 and 9-1.  Couple of thought from watching both games today.

1.  This is best EMU team I have seen in 4 years...much...much better.
2.  Costa and Beasley threw the ball very well
3.  Hitting was atrocious...just really bad approaches at the plate.
4.  Defense is shaky at best...we started 4 freshman on the infield...got to get better tomorrow
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2012, 06:18:03 PM
mu gets a 6-5 win at lagrange...tough day for the freshman in the field, with kirby making 2 errors and 3b lutz making 3 errors - just 2 of the panthers runs were earned today - perry went six, giving up 4 hits, 2 er and striking out 9
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 11, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 11, 2012, 05:54:30 PM
NCWC splits with EMU 5-2 and 9-1.  Couple of thought from watching both games today.

1.  This is best EMU team I have seen in 4 years...much...much better.
2.  Costa and Beasley threw the ball very well
3.  Hitting was atrocious...just really bad approaches at the plate.
4.  Defense is shaky at best...we started 4 freshman on the infield...got to get better tomorrow

I said the other day (on ODAC board) that EMU will be much better and will be competing at an higher level with the NEW coaching staff!


Quote from: D-BAT on February 09, 2012, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 06, 2012, 12:01:37 PM
Although Eastern Mennonite lost the bats of 1B Jake Norman and OF Chris Harpine to graduation, I believe they will sneak up on some people this year and towards the middle of the pack on the ODAC.  They return really good bats in OF B.J. Mortimer, OF Beau Banglesdorf, C Dylan Smith and 2B Ryan McAllister.

On the mound they return both their weekend starters but just not sure who is going to anchor their back of the bullpen with the lost of Thomas Worley.

EMU has two good coaches ... both Jason's will do good work at EMU!  Look for them to compete at an higher level!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 12, 2012, 08:57:36 AM
Completely agree with you D-Bat.  Freshman CF Bryan Melendez for EMU stole the show making 3 great plays in center field...the kid can really track the ball.

Scorekeeper was very generous for NCWC as we ended up with 4 errors in the day but we could have easily had 7 in addition to many mental mistakes.  We hit .211 on the day and I'm assuming coach will mixed it up a bit today with Bridgewater coming in for a DH.  Pitching was overall solid for us...I was really pleased with that.  Go Bishops!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 12, 2012, 07:10:55 PM
NCWC losses two today to Bridgewater 8-4 and 17-1 leaving the Battling Bishops 1-3 after their first weekend of play.  Unlike day 1, pitching was hard to watch today as both starting pitchers could not get past the 3rd innings.  Defensively the scorecard was filled with 5 more errors.
Offensively, it will be hard to keep freshman 2B Ciufetelli and 1B Rodriguez out of the lineup as they swung the bat very, very well.

Already looking forward to rebounding vs NYU-Poly next week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
mu improves to 5-0 with a 4-3 win over lagrange...younger went 3-4 with 2 rbi's - coach austin is now just 10 wins from 1000

mu has 5 days off before hosting frostburg, birmingham southern and lynchburg in the diamond invitational this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 13, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
After two weekends gone bye in the season it looks like the USAS is holding its' own.  Currently holding a 14-7 record against outside competition.  MU at 5-0 and NCW at 1-3 hold both ends of the spectrum at this point.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 16, 2012, 07:43:06 AM
CNU takes a close one at home over Randolph Macon, 2-1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 16, 2012, 08:40:53 AM
Looks like the USAS pulled out two more wins against the ODAC yesterday w/ CNU and AU getting one run victories.  The USAS seems to be continuing an early season success against outside competition.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2012, 01:26:33 PM
http://www.usasouth.net/general/2011-12/12cnuwithdrawl

...and the other shoe drops...i thought that might happen - watch for cnu to head to the cac
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Post by: hokieone on February 16, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
Wow, this will change: there hasn't been a post on the CAC web site in almost 2 years...

I'd have preferred to see CNU in the ODAC , but it will be a big dog wherever it goes, in all sports.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
i don't know a lot about the odac leadership, but i don't think they would be fans of a mixed conference any more than the usasac was

while i agree with your "big dog" assesment for most sports, i'm not sure they are any more the baseball "big dogs" in the cac than they were in the usasac - mary wash, salisbury and york have been traditionally very good (with the exception of the last few years for york) - frostburg is a really solid club capable of beating good teams and wesley can be dangerous - the cac clearly improves in baseball with the addition of cnu, but i'm not sure that cnu is automatically the team to beat every year
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 16, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
While the CAC does have talent in baseball, I think this is clearly a lateral move at best; not a step up. Salisburg is one of the nation's top teams, year in and year out; that none of us can deny. UMW and York are also good clubs, but not proven on a yearly basis like a Salisbury (or a Shenandoah, Methodist, etc.). CNU certainly is not automatically the team to beat, as we all know anybody can beat anybody on any given day; however, I think the talent pool in the USAS is much better currently than the CAC.

Will the CAC receive an automatic bid now with the addition for CNU? I was not sure what the requirements were to qualify for an automatic bid. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on February 17, 2012, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 16, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
While the CAC does have talent in baseball, I think this is clearly a lateral move at best; not a step up. Salisburg is one of the nation's top teams, year in and year out; that none of us can deny. UMW and York are also good clubs, but not proven on a yearly basis like a Salisbury (or a Shenandoah, Methodist, etc.). CNU certainly is not automatically the team to beat, as we all know anybody can beat anybody on any given day; however, I think the talent pool in the USAS is much better currently than the CAC.

Will the CAC receive an automatic bid now with the addition for CNU? I was not sure what the requirements were to qualify for an automatic bid.
The CAC is a Pool A conference with or without CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 17, 2012, 06:33:30 PM
QuoteFebruary 17, 2012

WINCHESTER, Va. – No. 21/RV Shenandoah University opened its 2012 baseball season with a 4-2 non-league victory over No. 5/5 Cortland State Friday afternoon.

Shenandoah (1-0) banged out 11 hits and turned three inning-ending double plays to down the Red Dragons (0-1).

This is the second straight season that the two Division III powers have played an early season contest. SU was a 2-0 winner in the 2011 contest.

After Cortland scored an unearned run in the second thanks to an infield hit, a walk and a throwing error on a sacrifice bunt, the Hornets took control of the contest with a three-run third.

Shenandoah had five hits in the frame, starting with a leadoff single from senior Mike Minch and ending with a Dan Powers single to right.

In between, Joey Donofrio tied the contest with a double down the right field line to score Minch and senior Cory Nelson plated both Donofrio and classmate Tucker Brown with a single up the middle.

Nelson had reached on a single through the left side and advanced to second on a throwing error.

Donofrio capped the Hornets scoring with a two-out double to right in the fourth. He drove in Kurt Krout, who had singled, with this double.

Donofrio finished his day 3 for 4 with two RBI.

After starter Vince Claudio (1-0) ended his day following the fifth, freshman Matt Riegler worked through a scoreless sixth before allowing two hits to start the seventh.

SU skipper Kevin Anderson then turned to pre-season All-America closer Kyle Scallion, and Scallion snuffed out the threat by sandwiching two strikeouts and a comebacker around a single to right.

Scallion earned his first save by allowing just two hits in recording the final nine outs of the game.

He retired the final five in order.

Watch Scallion discuss the win.

Eight of nine Shenandoah starters had at least one hit.

Claudio allowed one unearned run on four hits and one walk in 5.0 innings. He struck out five.

John Ardornetto was 2 for 3 with two RBI for Cortland.

SU is back in action Saturday with a noon doubleheader against Misericordia.

###

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
tough day for mu...5-4 loss to frostburg and then a 10-5 loss to bsc - they need a rebound vs. lynchburg on saturday in a bad way...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 18, 2012, 10:30:02 PM
Lots of action today w/ USAS teams playing more non-conference opponents.  Looks like SU, and MU took two losses each today w/ NCW splitting, AU sweeping and CNU winning their only game.  Can't say I saw the SU and MU sweeps coming.  Although both played good competition.  Looks like NCW cured some ills w/ 3 out of 4 this weekend, and AU won two tight ones vs a much improved EMU.  CNU played got a close win vs a very good Cortland St team.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 19, 2012, 01:25:57 AM
Misericordia pitching was the best I've seen from that program ever!  They made it to the regionals last year as they won their two first games. 

On the day, Misericordia out hit SU 17 to 11.

Good pitching will give your team a chance to win a ball game every day out!  Game two featured a transfer from Division I Pittsburgh.

http://suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/20120218ukhrc8
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 19, 2012, 08:10:13 AM
I will say this and have said it many times before, in baseball the best team never wins, but the TEAM that plays the BEST that day will win!

How true is that?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 19, 2012, 10:47:24 AM
NCWC takes 3 of 4 from NYU-Poly.  I wasn't very impressed with NYU with exception of their number 1 pitcher SO Nate Albers who locked up in a pitching duel Saturday vs SR Roby Costa and beat us 1-0. 

For NCWC bats really came alive and pitching was A+.  3 of 4 starters went deep into the games which allowed Coach Long to not expose the young bullpen.  Hitting, FR Ricardo Ciuffetelli doesn't have a position but kid is hitting .524 so we are moving him around the field to make sure his bat is in lineup.  I also believe FR SS Brad Guengerich should be the leadoff as the young men can swing the stick (.400 so far) and has some speed.  Looking forward to next week as we'll go head-to-head with Ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2012, 02:36:10 PM
Rolln2,

SUNY Cortland is #5 in country. Yep- a very good team. But when #4 plays #5, a 2-1 game seems about right.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 20, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
Well it will be a big week in the USA South this week. Averett will be put to the test with VWC and then conference opener against Shenandoah. Ferrum has a much improved EMU and then NCWC for their conference opener. CNU also heads down to Georgia to do a preview of next years conference tilt with Peidmount which should be a good game with Peidmount playing very well early in the season. Their has been some surprises so far but good and bad. But hoping that all the USA South teams start to buckle down as conference play begins. Just wondering with the fast starts for Averett and Ferrum and the one bad day for SHenandoah anyone want to change their conference perdictions?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2012, 03:07:22 PM
the monarchs need to lick their wounds after on 0-3 weekend - maine presque island is in for a mid-week game as is rmc before the first conference weekend...it sure would be nice to go into the greensboro series with a couple of wins and a little momentum...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on February 20, 2012, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 19, 2012, 10:47:24 AM
NCWC takes 3 of 4 from NYU-Poly.  I wasn't very impressed with NYU with exception of their number 1 pitcher SO Nate Albers who locked up in a pitching duel Saturday vs SR Roby Costa and beat us 1-0. 

For NCWC bats really came alive and pitching was A+.  3 of 4 starters went deep into the games which allowed Coach Long to not expose the young bullpen.  Hitting, FR Ricardo Ciuffetelli doesn't have a position but kid is hitting .524 so we are moving him around the field to make sure his bat is in lineup.  I also believe FR SS Brad Guengerich should be the leadoff as the young men can swing the stick (.400 so far) and has some speed.  Looking forward to next week as we'll go head-to-head with Ferrum.

I am happy to see Costa getting some quality innings and pitching well on the mound for the Bishops this year. The kid has had to bide his time for three years now and he has been very patient. Looks like he is going to be a solid contributor to the staff this year. I hope Coach Long is able to figure out how to utilize his bullpen this year. He's had a tendency to run his starters in the ground the past couple of years granted the bullpens were a little shaky.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 21, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
Wes,
Amen, that boy has done all they have asked him to do and just needed a shot.  SR Flynn may be the front candidate to close although SO Bearley already has 1 save.  What worries me is how many innings will starters have to go.  Too many games in past few years where guys were throwing 110+ and then were on empty the following week.  Starters I believe will be able to give Coach Long 6+ strong innings but getting 1 or 2 consistent relievers to hand ball to closer in the 9th is what I have not seen.  So far bullpen has been battling control issues.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 21, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
Ok with the discussion around bullpens and who uses them here are some stats. It is a very small sampling for the young season but does point out a few things. If you look at Runs per game there are a couple pens that are not making friends with their starters. The observation of control issues for the Bishops is well proven. And there are a few teams that really need some of their young arms to step up. At first glance I thought CNU must not have played anyone yet but in looking they have played a top 5 ranked team and another team that received votes for the top 25 and used the same releiver/closer for all 3 games. Until we have a big sampling and they start playing common oppenents this is just a glimpse at where they are starting at and where they need to work.




     Team              Games     IP/Game      Hit/Game        Runs/Game      IP      H      R      ER           BB      SO      ERA             
   Averett                 6           2.1               2.5                     1.7           14     15      10       7            0         8      4.50           
   CNU                     3           3.2               2.0                     0.3           11      6        1        1            2        9       0.82           
   Ferrum                 5           3.1              2.8                      2.0           16     14      10       7            9        21     3.94           
   Greensboro           6           2.2              2.3                      1.7           17     14      10      10          12       11      5.29           
   Methodist             8          3.2               3.1                     1.8           27.1    25      14      11           10       21     3.65           
   NCWC                  9           3.2               3.7                     2.8           34.2    33      25      16           21       31     4.21           






   Shenandoah         4           2.2              3.5                     1.8           11.2   14       7        6            6         5     4.82           
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 22, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
NCWC beats UMPI 11-1 on a well pitched game by SR P Flynn.  Again not a very good opponenet so hard to gauge things against a quality opponent.  My favorite batters on that team continued to pound the ball in FR DH Ciuffetteli and 1B J. Rodriguez.  JR 2B Alexander's bat woke up and made a nice contribution with a 3 for 3 day and 2 RBI's.  UMPI even had a girl pitch for them for 2 innings...and had a 1-2-3 inning for her first inning.  Impressive!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 22, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
Het LTHSDad not sure I would bring up the 1-2-3 thing considering the ego factor!!! lol ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 22, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
CNU up big on VWC 18-5. It looks like 6 errors by VWC really cost them, with CNU also hitting the ball well as usual. Against an offense like CNU, they can score 18 without you make 1 error, much less 6. Connor Madden and Matt Shoemaker continue to lead the way, each having 3 hits, and Luke Saunders having 4 RBI's.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 22, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
SU baseball (4-2) ... the guys 10-run a much improved EMU squad after 8 innings by the score of 14-4.

http://www.emu.edu/athletics/livestats/baseball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
maine-presque island was just the remedy for a 3 game losing streak, as the monarchs get an 8-1 win - lots of guys played, and chris power hit his first collegiate hr - rmc comes to town on thursday
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on February 22, 2012, 09:58:18 AMUMPI even had a girl pitch for them for 2 innings...and had a 1-2-3 inning for her first inning.  Impressive!
i remember reading about her when i heard about the young lady who signed with montreat college (http://www.montreatcavaliers.com/article/704.php) - the two of them had a pretty well publicized match-up in high school (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/columns/story?id=6185670)

edit: she (the umpi girl) pitched 2 scoreless innings vs. mu last night...talked to a player who said the ball was so slow that it was hard to adjust - fastball probably topped out at 70 mph - she threw strikes and kept the ball down, though - kinda shows the other end of the 90 mph conversation we had over the summer

it will be interesting to follow her progress - maybe if she throws one time through the lineup and follows a hard thrower she can be effective...certainly seems to be working so far as she has pitched 4.1 innings and given up just 1 er (2.20 era) and 5 hits
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
mu improves to 6-0 all-time against rmc with a 9-2 win - frosh inman pitched well, giving up just 3 hits and 0 er over 5 innings and thigpen had 3 rbi while such went 2-3 with 2 doubles and 2 runs - younger stayed hot going 1-3 with an rbi to give him 11 on the season - the big frosh who started for rmc (bram) looked good early, but got into trouble in the 4th when mu scored 8 runs (3 earned) - mu improves to 7-3 on the season going into the first conference weekend of the season and coach austin now stands just 8 away from 1000
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 24, 2012, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
mu improves to 6-0 all-time against rmc with a 9-2 win - frosh inman pitched well, giving up just 3 hits and 0 er over 5 innings and thigpen had 3 rbi while such went 2-3 with 2 doubles and 2 runs - younger stayed hot going 1-3 with an rbi to give him 11 on the season - the big frosh who started for rmc (bram) looked good early, but got into trouble in the 4th when mu scored 8 runs (3 earned) - mu improves to 7-3 on the season going into the first conference weekend of the season and coach austin now stands just 8 away from 1000

So how many SB's for Suck?? Should be closing in on that record!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 24, 2012, 04:00:26 PM
1-0   5-1 ... FC
0-0   4-0 ... CNU
0-0   7-2 ... AU
0-0   7-3 ... MU
0-0   4-2 ... SU
0-0   4-3 ... GC
0-1   5-5 ... NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 25, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
SU (13) AU (1) ... 8inn
CNU (14) Blackburn, IL (4)
FC (6) NCW (5)


2-0   6-1 ... FC
1-0   5-2 ... SU
0-0   5-0 ... CNU
0-0   7-3 ... MU
0-0   4-3 ... GC
0-1   7-3 ... AU
0-2   5-6 ... NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 26, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
Tough weekend for NCWC as they got swept by Ferrum at home 5-1 and 6-5.  Friday's story was SR Wessel had 1 bad inning which is all it took combined with poor hitting and it was a recipe resulting in a loss.  Sunday was completely the opposite with hitting being better than usual and hitters clawing us back into the game but Pitching was terrible.  Pitchers allowed 12 hits and even worst 8 walks...we just couldn't find the correct guy on the mound.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 26, 2012, 03:32:05 PM
SU (4) Averett (6)
http://www.sidearmstats.com/averett/baseball/scoreboard.aspx


Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2012, 10:02:50 PM
tough day for the monarchs, dropping two, 2 run games to gc...not what i had hoped for from the weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 26, 2012, 10:55:24 PM
SU (4) AU (6)
CNU (2) Piedmont (3)
GB (6) MC (4)
GB (4) MC (2)


2-0   6-1 ... FC
2-0   6-3 ... GC
1-1   8-3 ... AU
1-1   5-3 ... SU
0-0   5-1 ... CNU
0-2   7-5 ... MU
0-2   5-6 ... NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 27, 2012, 04:34:25 PM
CNU loses to Adrian College 3-1. Greg Goldsmith with a very solid start, going 7 innings, 4 hits, 0 R, and 9 K's. Ryan Flesichmann surrendered 3 hits and 3 ER's in 2/3 IP. CNU had only 3 hits on the day, as Adrian starter Jason Fryman hurls a complete game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 29, 2012, 06:28:36 PM
NCWC loses 6-3 to Alma College in Myrtle Beach.  Couldn't understand why we started a JV pitcher with plenty of arms ready to go.  I think NCWC under estimated opponent and Fresh P Wilson felt behind in the count and starting walking guys.  By the time help was on the way team was already down 4-0 and did not recover.  Bats were asleep but bullpen work by SO P Beasley and FR P Machin continue to be impressive.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 03, 2012, 07:51:38 PM
Looks like the NCWC football team beat the Averett football team.  Score of the game 20-13 NCWC.  At least in a game like that the bats get healthy as NCWC knocked out 18 hits today.  Lets hope the pitching gets healthy tomorrow. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 03, 2012, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: WMSBRGFan on March 03, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Anyone have the link to the DIII NCAA handbook? And know what section talks to transfers?
Transfer rules are littered throughout, but the main section starts on Page 96.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D312.pdf (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D312.pdf)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
piedmont beats mu 4-2 today...mu falls to 7-7 with montclair on tap on sunday - i can't ever remember mu being .500 14 games in...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 04, 2012, 05:00:42 AM
Ferrum (6) SU (10)
MU (2) Piedmont (4)
GB (6) CNU (9)
NCW (20) AU (13)


1-0 8-2 ... CNU
2-1 9-4 ... FC
2-1 7-4 ... GB
2-1 6-4 ... SU
1-2 9-4 ... AU
1-2 9-9 ... NCW
0-2 7-7 ... MU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
mu moves back above .500 with an 11-7 win vs. montclair state

looked at the box score for mu/pc yesterday, and perry was brilliant, going 7, giving up 4 hits and 1 er while striking out 14 in the loss
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 04, 2012, 09:37:05 PM
GB (0) CNU (2)
FC (0) SU (4)
MU (11) Montclair St (7)
NCW (5) AU (6)


2-0 09-02 ... CNU
3-1 07-04 ... SU
2-2 10-04 ... AU
2-2 09-05 ... FC
2-2 07-05 ... GB
1-3 09-10 ... NCW
0-2 08-07 ... MU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 05, 2012, 07:29:28 AM
Wow! What a weekend of baseball vs Averett.  We got a split but should have easily walked away with a sweep.  Saturday's game was a slugfest.  Seems like every time we got to Danville at least one game is a shootout.  Got 18 hits from offense as top 4 batters in lineup are absolutely on FIRE!  As for the pitching SR Shane Flynn was cruising for 4 innigns and then seemed to abandon the curve ball and go straight to the fastball which lead to a batting practice round for Averett.  On Sunday, our starter SR Kaleb Wessell just didn't have his good stuff and battled all day.  Key to the game was number 8 and 9 batters are giving NCWC nothing at the plate and on the field.  I know these boys are seniors but at 9-10 now, may  be time for a change.  Some tought games coming up this week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 07, 2012, 08:12:29 AM
mu gets two wins yesterday, to improve to 10-8...younger continues to swing a hot bat and thigpen is heating up...perhaps the monarchs can go on a little run before the weekend series with cnu, and carry some momentum into those games...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 07, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
NCWC beats PSU-Abington 6-4 to get back to .500 at 10-10.  SO Jackson Pleasant looked great at the mound tossing 6 innings 0 ER.  Pitching staff has been really good this year and young arms have really stepped up.  Hitters busted out 13 hits led by SR Andre Nichols 3 hits and JR Jake Alexander and JR C Tyler Clark 2 hits.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 07, 2012, 08:06:35 PM
mu makes it 3 straight with a 5-0 win over ehc - rhett lee was very good tonight, going 8, giving up 2 hits and striking out 9  - he had a no-no into the 7th - thigpen gets another hr
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2012, 09:47:29 PM
SU sets a 18-run inning record and cruises to 32-8 win over Penn State-Abington

http://suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2011-12/boxscores/20120308_lrna.xml


QuoteMarch 8, 2012

WINCHESTER, Va. - No. 23/RV Shenandoah University posted a season-high 29 hits in a 32-8 non-league baseball victory over Penn State - Abington Thursday afternoon.

Shenandoah (9-4) scored 18 runs in the third inning to break open a close game against the Lions (2-3).

Coach Kevin Anderson saw 23 men step to the plate in that fateful third with eight of the nine starters getting at least one hit and all nine scoring at least one run.

Five players, led Nick Beall, had two hits in the frame. Beall went 3 for 3 in the third while Joey Donofrio was 2 for 2 with a double, a home run and four RBI.

Donofrio, who played just the first five innings, finished 5 for 5 with five runs scored and seven RBI.

He opened the game with a solo HR to right before hitting a three-run shot to right center in the third.

The Hornets had five home runs in the contest and freshman Greg Beran missed a cycle by failing to get a triple.

Beran was one of eight players to have at least two hits and one of eight to have at least two RBI. The freshman, who started just his second game of the year, was 3 for 6 with five RBI.

Shenandoah used 26 players in the game including nine making either their first or second varsity appearance of the spring.

Mike Minch (1-0) earned the win with 1 2/3 innings of scoreless relief.

Brian Camp (0-1) took the loss for PSU-A. He gave up 12 runs (11 earned) on 10 hits and four walks in 2 1/3.

SU is at future ODAC rival Randolph-Macon tomorrow for a 2 p.m. non-league contest.

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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
well...on the "not quite as impressive as an 18 run inning" front, mu gets a 9-5 win over immaculata and improves to 12-8

what is most impressive is that such got his 33rd career hr, tying the mu career record...and with his 3rd sb on the season, he is now just 179 sb's away from the all-time sb record and he has tripled his career sb output - i wonder if trey has EVER had a hr and a sb in the same game :)

two big ones with the capts. this weekend...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on March 09, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
32 Runs?  Really??  The real question is why SU had ANY starters playing in that game.  Games like that are the reason conference stats and ONLY conference stats should apply to conference recognition.  While the folks voting on regional and national recognition won't know that a starter went 5-5 with 7 RBI's against a pathetic foe, the conference coaches should. 

I know it's all baseball, but I really hate to see coaches let games like this happen.  1) Don't schedule games like this to begin with, and 2) Play the JV or subs. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 09, 2012, 02:21:32 PM
I'm sure this will get the board stirred up, as I believe this is the longest into a season that anyone has gone without saying either a) Shenandoah shouldn't schedule teams like this or b) Take your starters out sooner.

I, personally, see it both ways. As a player, games like that are always fun and you hate to get taken out. It is a chance to increase some personal numbers and every individual players likes that. In addition, regardless of who you play against, you still have to make solid contact and find the holes in the defense (although PSU did make 4 errors, and we have established in previous years that it does not take solid contact to hit it out in LF at Shenandoah's current field). But, nonetheless, it does still require focus against an easy opponent, which a lot of teams struggle with. I know we often did at CNU during my time when playing the Galludet's of the world.

On the flip side, I do see where people would scream for starters to come out sooner, with the exception of maybe seniors. From looking at the box score, it looks like all starts got at least 4 AB's, with some getting as many as 6. While I am sure most of these occured during that 3rd inning onslaught, it sure does seem like starters probably could have been pulled a bit earlier. I understanding leaving some SR's in for more AB's since it is their last year (I have not looked at whether SU's lineup is loaded with SR's; if it is, disregard my comments), but the backups I'm sure would have loved to have seen the field a bit earlier.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 10, 2012, 07:47:19 AM
Our friends in GA had a big win yesterday as the lions knock off Marietta. Go Lions!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 10, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
AU (4) GC (3)
SU (5) NCW (0)
CNU (0) MU (3)


(1) 4-1   11-04 ... SU
(2) 2-1   12-03 ... CNU
(3) 3-2   14-07 ... AU
(4) 2-2   13-05 ... FC
(5) 2-3   09-07 ... GC
(6) 1-2   13-08 ... MU
(7) 1-4   10-13 ... NCW
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 11, 2012, 05:30:24 PM
CNU splits with Methodist, with a 13-0 Sunday victory. Connor Madden hits his 3rd HR of the year, with Steven Lindenmuth hitting his 1st and 2nd of the year in the game. Greg Goldsmith improves to 2-0 on the season with a microscopic 0.35 ERA in 26 IP.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 12, 2012, 09:29:58 AM
NCWC splits with #22 Shenandoah 0-5 and 2-1 this weekend.  Saturday's game featured a weird 1st Inning by the Bishops comitting 3 errors which put NCWC behind 4-0 in which they were not able to recover.  SO Brandon Roberts pitched a gem but hitting besides C Tyler Clark was non-existent.

Sunday saw another pitchers duel with NCWC's SR Kaleb Wessel going 8.2 innings giving up only 5 hits and the bishops tying the game in the bottom of the 9th and winning it in the 11th.  I'm hoping this big win propels us to a winning streak.  Kaleb was just what the doctor ordered as he has been "MONEY" all year long on the mound.  C Tyler Clark and SS Jake Alexander had another great day at the plate.  Coach Long did insert some new blood in the lineup which I was happy to see. 

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 12, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
(1) 3-1   13-03 ... CNU
(2) 4-2   11-05 ... SU
(3) 2-2   13-05 ... FC
(3) 3-3   14-08 ... AU
(3) 3-3   10-07 ... GC
(6) 2-4   11-13 ... NCW
(7) 1-3   13-09 ... MU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 13, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
Ok some of the teams are now (6) games or half way thru the conference schedule w/ some of the others already having their bye.  Any surprises so far on the current standings, player performances etc?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 14, 2012, 10:50:06 AM
NCWC has played Ferrum, Averett and Shenandoah so far.  We got swept by Ferrum and their pitching really impressed me, specifically Chris Walker.  We split with Averett and this is a team I think that can cause some trouble as offensively I think they can swing the stick and they never give up.  We also split with Shenandoah and this is a team I was least impressed with as they are beatable if you can get to their bullpen.  2 solid starters, some decent hitters but not much of a bullpen with the exception of Matt Riegler.

As for NCWC, offensively the studs have been C Tyler Clark (expected), 3B Andre Nichols (expected), SS Jake Alexander (not expected) .  Tyler Clark has probably been the team MVP so far as kid is a RBI machine. 

Pitching, I have been completely wrong as the Bishops have a 3.61 team ERA and among SR Wessel, SR Flynn, SR Costa, SO Roberts, JR Swartout and SO Pleasant could all be a number 1 in any staff.  On the bullpen SO Will Beasley has been near perfect with a 0.82 ERA.

Defensively, NCWC is below average with issues at 1B, 2B, SS and 3B.  35 errors in 24 games is way too many and pitchers are having to bail out defenders every game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 16, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
Guilford over Ferrum yesterday, 14-0, in Greensboro.  Quakers batted around and put 7 on the board in one of the early innings - not a good day for the Panthers' pitching or bats.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 16, 2012, 09:57:13 AM

(1) 3-1   15-03 ... CNU
(2) 4-2   13-05 ... SU
(3) 3-3   14-07 ... GC
(3) 2-2   13-07 ... FC
(3) 3-3   14-10 ... AU
(6) 2-4   12-13 ... NCW
(7) 1-3   13-10 ... MU

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 16, 2012, 12:04:45 PM
My observations and surprises so far;
1.   Lack of depth – except for CNU - have really been surprised by most team's lack of depth around starting pitching and bullpens. Seen teams that have a very good #1 then there is a big drop off to #2. They are going to need their #2s to step it up a bit. The number of teams that have a drop off from starters to bullpen is surprising also.
2.   CNU cold bats has surprise me as they have been very cold at the plate and still winning (pitching is good) so wondering if they will get on track.
3.   Power numbers at home – Shenandoah and Methodist have homerun numbers that are out of whack with almost all their power is at home.
4.   Is Scallion hurt? One game?
5.   Have seen Greensboro play 3 games and like where they are going, team never quits and is looking up. They are taking steps in the right direction
6.   Methodist record – thought and hoped that they would be in better shape at this point in the season.
7.   Ferrum's record, - Have not seen them yet but are they equal to their record or is their record more an indication of who they have played?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 18, 2012, 08:41:16 AM
GB (3) SU (4)
CNU (2) Ferrum (0) 14 innings
MU (1) AU (2)
North Central, IL (4) NCW (6)


(1) 4-1   16-03 ... CNU
(2) 5-2   14-05 ... SU
(3) 4-3   15-10 ... AU
(4) 3-4   15-08 ... GC
(5) 2-3   13-08 ... FC
(6) 2-4   13-14 ... NCW
(7) 1-4   13-11 ... MU

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 18, 2012, 09:15:33 AM
What a beautiful day yesterday at Bauer field and even better win for the Bishops 6-4 over North Central College.  JR Jake Swartout came in to shut down the door in the 9th as NCC had bases loaded with no outs and could not push a run across.  Offensively, FR 2B B. Guenguerich and FR LF S. Machin look to be back on track as both had very good games.  Team looked aggressive at the plate and it showed with 11 hits total.  One more total vs North Central before a tough week ahead.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 18, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Let me say this, Coach Maker has Greensboro baseball competing at an high level.  They have some legit players and will be a team that has an opportunity to compete for USA-South tourney championship.  I was impressed with their team!  A couple few things goes GB's way, then they could of won on Sunday and maybe Saturday too.

QuoteWINCHESTER, Va. - No. 20 Shenandoah University completed a USA South Conference sweep of its weekend baseball series versus Greensboro College with a 6-5 victory Sunday afternoon.

Shenandoah (15-5, 6-2 USA South) broke a 4-4 tie with two runs in the bottom of the eighth and then held on as GC (15-9, 3-5) attempted to rally in the ninth.

Designated hitter Steven Pfeiffer got the GC ninth started by being hit on the first offering from SU reliever Matt Riegler.

Anthony Catherina then singled before Grant Kelly cut the deficit in half with a double to center to score pinch runner Tony Fulsom.

Riegler, who was the winning pitcher on Saturday, then bore down and struck out Aaron Navarro, Josh Powell and Dan Melton to end the contest.

Melton went down looking on a 2-2 pitch.

SU, which trailed 4-1 after the Pride scored four unearned off of Hornets starter Cory Nelson (2-3) in the fourth, rallied with one run in the fourth and two more in the fifth to tie it.

Shenandoah scored its two runs in the eighth on two hits, a walk and a crucial Greensboro error at second base.

Pinch hitter Andrew Creamer plated the first run with a single up the middle before freshman Corbin Lucas drove in what proved to be the game-winning run on a single to left.

Creamer plated Mike Minch, who reached second when Pride second baseman James Feldman could not handle a relay throw from third base on a Tucker Brown groundball.

Lucas had the victors first run with a solo HR in the third.

Brian Robbett took the loss for Greensboro, allowing two unearned runs on two hits and one walk in one inning of work.

Nelson gave up four runs (all unearned) on three hits and four walks in 8.0 innings.

It was Riegler's third save of the spring.

Shenandoah hosts future ODAC rival Randolph-Macon on Tuesday at 4:00 in a non-league contest.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 18, 2012, 05:00:29 PM
GB (5) SU (6)
CNU (6) FC (7)
AU (3) MU (2)
North Central, IL @ NCW


(1) 6-2   15-05 ... SU
(2) 4-2   16-04 ... CNU
(3) 5-3   16-10 ... AU
(4) 3-3   14-08 ... FC
(5) 3-5   15-09 ... GC
(6) 2-4   13-14 ... NCW
(7) 1-5   13-12 ... MU

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 19, 2012, 08:00:09 AM
Another tough close lost for NCWC yesterday to North Central College which by the way is really good!  Kaleb Wessel and Roby Costa pitched great as usual and NCWC produced 3 hits all day.  Team is now hitting an anemic .268 overall with 4 starters hitting below .265.  Coach Long has done a real good job rotating guys, specially at DH searching for an answer but no one has stepped up.  Next up is Tufts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2012, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on March 13, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
Ok some of the teams are now (6) games or half way thru the conference schedule w/ some of the others already having their bye.  Any surprises so far on the current standings, player performances etc?
i'm surprised that mu is in danger of falling below .500 25 games into the season...in fact, i never thought i would see it

i thought that perry could be really good (he has been) and i thought that the monarchs might struggle to replace lovett, inghram, davis and lancaster (they have), but i thought the pitching would be deeper than it has turned out to be (womble and judge, two of the best freshman in the conference last year, are sitting at 6.10 and 6.23 era's) and i thought the offense would be good enough, with such, younger, thigpen and quick (all four are producing relatively well), but no other player with more than 60 ab's is hitting over .267...and only power (53 ab's) and armstrong (26 ab's) join the +.267 club when you look deeper
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: NoVa Baseball on March 20, 2012, 08:47:05 AM
DBat - Could not agree with you more about G'boro.  You could see glimmers of improvement from them last year, but this year they seem to be putting it all together.  They played CNU tough at CNU this year and they are much improved.  The Lefty starter did a masterful job of keeping the batters off balance.  Seems like he never left one over the plate.  And the comment about them not quitting is spot on - they used to fold up the tent when they got behind - not this year.

I also want to say that Ferrum has shown similar improvement.  Watching them this weekend was fun even though they took one from my Captains.  They too never quit.  Not a big fan of that field though - it has to be one of the best pitchers parks in the country with the entire field sloping down from CF to home and acres of foul territory.

Don't know what to say about MU.  They beat CNU one game at home which I'm told was a masterful pitching perfomance, but got spanked in the second game.  They do seem to be racking up losses faster than I can remember and the record in the conference is appalling.  The loss of some really good starters can do that. 

Haven't seen Averett play, but they were where G'Boro and Ferrum are this year last year.  Surpisingly good and tough to play at home.  Their record doesn't surprise me at this point. 

Shenandoah is Shenandoah.  They still schedule soft games early, but manage to beat tough teams as well.  They also benefit from playing most of the better conference teams at home this year. 

Wesleyan continues to struggle but with a couple wins in conference seems like they are doing better than last year.  What was up that first game at Averett?  Looked like both teams missed an extra point.

The tournament is shaping up to be the most competitive in several years.  Any one of these teams is capable of winning their first game and after that I'd still put my money on the depth of CNU, experience of Shenandoah, and then the energy of G'Boro and Ferrum.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 20, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
coach austin gets win #999 as the monarchs pound out 12 hits (at least one from each mu starter) in a 9-8 win over north central - tufts comes into town on wednesday and they're off to a hot start to the season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 20, 2012, 09:52:32 PM
Factoid from left field: Averett is 10-0 in one-run games.

Jinx: Virginia Wesleyan 3, Averett 2.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 21, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
win #1,000 will have to wait as tufts breaks out the bats (and the monarchs struggled with the leather...8 errors on the day) in a 14-1 win over mu
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 22, 2012, 07:45:28 AM
VWC puts their best effort of the season so far on a 3-2 win over Averett.  FR Alex Tucci has a nice comeback after a rough last start and pitches 7 quality innings giving up 1 ER.  SR Anthony Siracusa who did not see the mound this past weekend during Conference play also throws 2 clean innings for the save. 

Offense finally got on track pounding 13 hits.  Still wondering when/if their SS will ever hit.  Errors still killing VWC but first test of 4 next strong opponents is positive.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 25, 2012, 06:51:07 PM
coach austin gets win 1,000 with a 3-2 win over su - perry goes 8, giving up 2 er and striking out 9 and white comes in to pitch the 9th and get the win - congrats to coach austin and every player who has played for him over his career...they all had a part in getting him to this milestone - getting the win over a strong program like su is gratifying to me, as a fan, as well -

su is winning the second game of the dh 6-0 in the 6th
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 26, 2012, 12:31:43 PM
coach austin becomes the 6th to reach 1,000, but his career .699 winning percentage is 3rd among 1,000 game winners

i knew schaly from marietta had done some amazing things, but i didn't realize that he had a .812 career winning percentage (1,438 - 329 - 13)....incredible

gordie gillespie from st. francis won almost 2,000 games (1,909 - 961-1) over a SIXTY YEAR career - i hope i live 60 years, let alone work for 60 :)

again, congrats to coach austin...it took longer than anyone thought it would, but he has really been the standard of excellence in this region for a long time - here's hoping we'll see another 300 or 400 wins from coach austin!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 26, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
First off congrats to Coach Austin and Methodist, a bright spot in a year that has not been so to this point.
Secondly I am surpise at the lack of traffic on this board with the fact that 7 teams in the South Region getting top 25 love. We find once again that CNU and Shenandoah are ranked. Our friends and newest member Piedmount are top 5 and Salisbury, Bridgewater and Birmingham-Southern are all right there. This is setting up for an outstanding South Regional being hosted at CNU.

As to the USA South it has been a good year to watch games this year. I think that the biggest surprise to me has been how much better Ferrum is playing this year. Number 2 would be Methodist's record really surprise by that. Anyone have feelings about this and how about players making their statement for end of year honors?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 26, 2012, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: narch on March 26, 2012, 12:31:43 PM
coach austin becomes the 6th to reach 1,000, but his career .699 winning percentage is 3rd among 1,000 game winners

i knew schaly from marietta had done some amazing things, but i didn't realize that he had a .812 career winning percentage (1,438 - 329 - 13)....incredible

Schaly is effectively #1 in all divisions. There's some guy ahead of him but he only coached 12 years. Don't ask me why he wasn't inducted into the college baseball hall of fame in the first or second year.

Schaly had a tremendous amount of respect for Tom Austin, it should be said.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 27, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
Pitcher of the Year so far I would have to give it to C. Perry (Methodist) with V. Claudio (Shenandoah) a real close second.  My Player of the Year vote goes to K. Krout (Shenandoah) with S. Mark (CNU) a close second as well.

As for NCWC, I believe C Tyler Clark should be First Team as UTL and SS Jake Alexander should be Second Team at SS.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 27, 2012, 03:06:22 PM
Krout before Mark??? Really???






Player  Avg  Avg Conf    OBP   OBP Conf   SLG   SLG Conf  2B    2B Conf   3B  3B Conf    RBI    RBI Conf   Error   Error Conf
Mark   .421      .481    .536      .562  .579     .704    2      0    5      3    16        7       1        0
Krout  .363      .421    .487      .511  .429     .500    6      3    0      0    16        8      10        4

So not sure how you are really saying Krout for POY.

Pitcher of the year I am good with Perry but would go Goldsmith but this one will probably go down to the last week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 27, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Despite the fact his in-conference average isn't eye popping, I still say Connor Madden will be in the mix at years end. I would take the Pendergraft kid from SU before Krout. Jaglowski, from Ferrum, is having a better year than Krout.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 27, 2012, 03:27:46 PM
Pneal - agree 100% was just doing the compare between the two he listed. POY is going to be tough this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 28, 2012, 06:27:52 AM
Van Sickler Signs Pro Contract With Team In Belgium
http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/Former_SU_Star_Van_Sickler_Signs_Pro_Contract_With_Team_In_Belgium_144489035.html

Also ... Winchester back in the ballpark for MiLB!  winchestersuns.blogspot.com  (http://winchestersuns.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 28, 2012, 07:26:19 AM
I agree Boysofsummer...Between Krout and Mark, I don't see it as that close.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 28, 2012, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 28, 2012, 06:27:52 AM
Van Sickler Signs Pro Contract With Team In Belgium
http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/Former_SU_Star_Van_Sickler_Signs_Pro_Contract_With_Team_In_Belgium_144489035.html

Also ... Winchester back in the ballpark for MiLB!  winchestersuns.blogspot.com  (http://winchestersuns.blogspot.com)

Good for Van Sickler I thought he would hook on to a Indy team for sure but getting a chance to go overseas and play some pro ball will be a great life experience a couple of the guys I played with at NCWC played some pro ball over in Europe also.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 28, 2012, 12:21:28 PM
It could go many diferrent ways.  Was just giving my opinion from the guys I saw play so far this year...There's 4-5 guys that are in the running that can take those honors so there's still some time for guys to put more numbers up.

As far as Krout and Jags, it's close but still think Krout has had better year.  As for Krout having more errors than Mark...duh???? one is a SS, the other an OF...of course SS will have more chances.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 28, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
mu takes another mid-week non-conference loss, this time to guilford - trey such hits 2 hr's in the loss to break the mu career hr record - i'm sure this isn't how he envisioned his senior year, but an individual hr record for a program with such a strong history and tradition is impressive - congrats trey
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 29, 2012, 07:36:48 AM
NCWC played probably their best game all year yesterday beating Hampden Sydney 8-0.  No errors, 11 hits and a complete game shutout by a freshman pitcher.  Looks like RF Pat Laffin has permanently moved in to the clean up spot and it's only a matter of time before FR Stephen Machin fnds himself hitting in the middle of the lineup as well.  Young men had another very good game at the plate with 2 more hits and 1 RBI and is now hitting .316

Up next for the Bishops is (11-11-1) Randolph Macon from the ODAC.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 29, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: narch on March 28, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
mu takes another mid-week non-conference loss, this time to guilford - trey such hits 2 hr's in the loss to break the mu career hr record - i'm sure this isn't how he envisioned his senior year, but an individual hr record for a program with such a strong history and tradition is impressive - congrats trey
I saw that HR stat, narch - 34 career homers?  That's terrific.  Guilford's had an up and down season as well.  The Quakers are 14-13 and, I think, MU's now 15-15.  GC doesn't have a lot of solid pitching, so 14-10 games such as the MU tilt are the norm.  In the Greensboro game Tuesday night, Guilford blew a 6-0 fifth inning lead and a 7-6 8th inning lead before losing 11-9.  Sigh. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 29, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
I saw that HR stat, narch - 34 career homers?  That's terrific.  Guilford's had an up and down season as well.  The Quakers are 14-13 and, I think, MU's now 15-15.  GC doesn't have a lot of solid pitching, so 14-10 games such as the MU tilt are the norm.  In the Greensboro game Tuesday night, Guilford blew a 6-0 fifth inning lead and a 7-6 8th inning lead before losing 11-9.  Sigh.
with all due respect to the gcq baseball program where 14-13 might indeed be characterized as "up and down", 15-15 at MU doesn't qualify as "up and down"...that's simply a down season at this stage - if the monarchs could pull it together and rip off another 10 wins, maybe it would qualify as an "up and down" season - here's hoping we can characterize the season as such :)

and trey is now at 35 career hr's...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 29, 2012, 02:26:19 PM
Quote from: narch on March 29, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 29, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
I saw that HR stat, narch - 34 career homers?  That's terrific.  Guilford's had an up and down season as well.  The Quakers are 14-13 and, I think, MU's now 15-15.  GC doesn't have a lot of solid pitching, so 14-10 games such as the MU tilt are the norm.  In the Greensboro game Tuesday night, Guilford blew a 6-0 fifth inning lead and a 7-6 8th inning lead before losing 11-9.  Sigh.
with all due respect to the gcq baseball program where 14-13 might indeed be characterized as "up and down", 15-15 at MU doesn't qualify as "up and down"...that's simply a down season at this stage - if the monarchs could pull it together and rip off another 10 wins, maybe it would qualify as an "up and down" season - here's hoping we can characterize the season as such :)

and trey is now at 35 career hr's...
No offense taken - GCQ baseball's been in the .400-.550 range for several years now.  I was pleasantly surprised we won versus MU, but know it was done during a "down" year for the Monarchs.  I only wish the Quakers could win 10 in a row, but know that probably won't happen with spotty pitching (21 runs in last two games) and defense (4 errors yesterday).  If you're a .500 team, the odds of winning ten in a row, in theory, with all other things being equal, are .5 to the 10th power or one out of 1024.  (.000976563)  I'm not holding my breath!  :)
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Post by: PNeal7 on March 30, 2012, 08:13:29 AM
Big win for CNU yesterday beating #5 Salisbury at Salisbury 4-2 in 10 innings.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on March 30, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
hasanova,
I'm in the same shoes...not holding my breath on NCWC.  We win 2 lose 1, win 1 lose 2...just a .500 team treading water.  We have terrific pitching but hitting is mostly non existent.  If someone puts 5 runs on the board on us early...probably going to beat NCWC.  USA South Tourney is 3 weeks away.  Hoping to win at least one there and not go home on day 1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 29, 2012, 02:26:19 PMIf you're a .500 team, the odds of winning ten in a row, in theory, with all other things being equal, are .5 to the 10th power or one out of 1024.  (.000976563)  I'm not holding my breath!  :)
'nova - i could be wrong, but i think this calculation would only be accurate if each opponent had a 50% chance of winning, as well, but your point regarding "holding my breath" is still very much valid for mu as well as gcq :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 30, 2012, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: narch on March 30, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 29, 2012, 02:26:19 PMIf you're a .500 team, the odds of winning ten in a row, in theory, with all other things being equal, are .5 to the 10th power or one out of 1024.  (.000976563)  I'm not holding my breath!  :)
'nova - i could be wrong, but i think this calculation would only be accurate if each opponent had a 50% chance of winning, as well, but your point regarding "holding my breath" is still very much valid for mu as well as gcq :)
You're sbsolutely right, narch.  That's what I was (weakly) trying to convey by putting in the caveat of "all other things being equal".  It's analogous to flipping a coin and getting heads (or tails) ten times in a row - the underlying assumption is that the other outcome also has a 50% chance of happening.  Either way, it's possible, but highly unlikely, for both teams this season!  :)
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Post by: hasanova on March 30, 2012, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 30, 2012, 08:13:29 AM
Big win for CNU yesterday beating #5 Salisbury at Salisbury 4-2 in 10 innings.
I agree, but isn't that about what you'd expect when the #3 team in the country plays the #5 team in the country?  If the rankings are correct, then CNU should win by such a narrow margin.  :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 30, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
there was some talk earlier about perry as the pitcher of the year - in my mind, i wasn't sure if he deserved that distinction, given the season that mu has had (and he may not be deserving once the season plays out)...so i ran some numbers

he has made 8 starts on the season - he has yet to give up more than 2 er in a single start, and has only made one start (vs. bsc) that he didn't last into the 6th inning - mu is just 4-4 in those 8 starts though - he has a 1.67 era and 75 strikeouts in 54 innings in those games he has started - here is a partial list of teams he has started against (usually against the #1 starter from that team) with (current d3 baseball ranking): cnu (#3), piedmont (#6), su (#19), bsc (#24) - in those 4 contests, he has 28 ip (1.61 era), 5 er, 43 k's and a 2-2 team record (2-1 individual record) - i think if he puts up strong outings in the last 2 conference weekends, the award is his to lose

he likely has remaining starts against ferrum (currently 19-8), ncwc (15-18), usasac conference tourney, emory (17-7) and wesley (17-7)...
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Post by: PNeal7 on March 30, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Hasanove - You are absolutely correct, based on rankings that is about right. But as we all know, "on any given day..."...Especially when one goes and plays on that awful turf infield at Salisbury.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 30, 2012, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 30, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Hasanova - You are absolutely correct, based on rankings that is about right. But as we all know, "on any given day..."...Especially when one goes and plays on that awful turf infield at Salisbury.
I agree, a great win.  I've been to a football game (20  years ago!) at Salisbury - I don't think I've ever seen their baseball field.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 30, 2012, 03:17:34 PM
Oh Salisbury is a terrible field and on a calm day there is a 30MPH wind. It always feels like it is 40 degrees there to! But the turf to natural grass transition into the outfield is bad and they should allow you to play a short fielder behind the catcher as there is a lot of room back there. Just my fond memories of the place.

PNeal any special plans for Shenandoah's final USA South conference games there next week end maybe the Hokie1 roast or something??!!
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Post by: PNeal7 on March 30, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
HaHa...I don't know about that, but I certainly plan on being in Winchester for those 2 games. A HokieOne roast would be interesting though...
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Post by: hokieone on March 31, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
Hokieone will be there!   ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 31, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
mu gets a 7-3 win over fc - perry was strong, once again - 8 ip, 3 er and 13 k's - frosh kirby had 3 rbi, 2 of them after fc had cut the mu lead to one - nice win for mu
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 01, 2012, 08:59:08 PM
mu finishes its first conference sweep of the season, with a 5-4 10 inning win over fc - judge struggled early, giving up 4 runs in 3.1 ip, but the bullpen (ayers, womble, white) pitched 6.2 scoreless innings to secure the win - it's good to see mu finally have a good sunday on the hill
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 01, 2012, 09:50:21 PM
Ok heading into the final weekend and the only thing that we are really able to say is that if CNU splits or sweeps they win the regular season, if SU sweeps they win. After that the seatings get a little more complicated. So here we are anyone want to take a shot at the final standings?
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Post by: PNeal7 on April 02, 2012, 07:46:52 AM
I'm not sure about the final standings, but at this point I would say Pitcher of the Year goes to either Goldsmith (CNU) or Perry (MU), and I give the edge to Goldsmith strictly due to him being 4-1 in conference compared to Perry's 2-1. I would say Player of the Year is between a couple guys, with a lot riding on this weekend. In the discussion certainly has to be Pendergraft (SU) and Jaglowski (FC). I would put Nelson (SU) into the mix somewhere for an overall solid season, both at the plate and on the mound. Mark (CNU) may be in the mix as well, and if Madden (CNU) had a big final weekend he could potentially be in the discussions. At this point, I give Pendergraft the edge. I assume whoever wins the regular season will recieve Coach of the Year, so Harvell or Anderson.

Any thoughts? I haven't followed it as closely this year as normal, so the above is based on my limited knowledge of the players and a look at numbers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 02, 2012, 09:47:41 AM
Just wondering if the format will be
#4 vs #5, loser plays #1
#2 vs #7
#3 vs #6
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 02, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
LTHS - I am assuming so as I have not heard anything about a change

PNeal - I think you are moving down the right path as I agree mostly with what you are saying. As to Pitcher of the Year I think Goldsmith is a very small advantage over Perry but I would say that Fleischman from CNU should be thrown in the mix, know he will never get it as he is a closer but he is 3rd in era overall and 1st in conference for all pitchers that qualify. I think Cory Nelson should get some love simply because he has come up huge for SU and done more than can be expected in filling the Van Sickler hole.

As for Player of the year - Good call on this I think it is between Pendergraft, Mark and Jaglowski with Madden on the outside needing a huge weekend. But don't think you can be wrong with any of these gentlemen.

Coach - It is a winner take all this weekend for this award (CNU vs Shenandoah) lol
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 02, 2012, 01:02:54 PM
if pitcher of the year comes down to goldsmith or perry, i think you've GOT to give it to perry for one simple fact...he has been throwing on saturday against the opposing #1 all season long...goldsmith didn't move into this role until ncwc and averett

at this time, the only metric that goldsmith has an advantage over perry in is wins - it is simply much easier to win against a #2 than an ace - perry has pitched 3 more innings in conference play and given up just one more earned run, but has 50 k's to goldsmith's 24 k's

if you're looking for another factor, look beyond the conference games (i don't normally advocate this unless conference only numbers don't allow for easy separation) - perry has pitched very well against the #1 starter for 3 nationally ranked teams and pitched OK (4 ip, 2 er) vs. a fourth nationally ranked team - goldsmith's only notable ooc game was against adrian, and he pitched well, but 1 game vs. a nationally ranked team is not the same as 4

this weekend may provide more separation between the two, but if it doesn't, perry is the choice...
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Post by: PNeal7 on April 02, 2012, 01:13:32 PM
I don't think we can go wrong with either Perry or Goldsmith, but I feel that Goldsmith is the pick at this point. They both have the same overall record (4-1), with Perry being 2-1 in conference and Goldsmith 4-1. Goldsmith has a lower ERA both overall and in conference. Goldsmith also has a lower batting average against overall and in conference, as in conference hitters are hitting at a .257 clip against Perry and a  .183 clip against Goldsmith. Both have thrown 2 complete games. Goldsmith has only given up 1 XBH all season, with Perry giving up 10. The area where Perry has a significant advantage, which is an "attractive" stat for pitchers (like HR's and RBI's for hitters) is the K's. While the W's and L's can somewhat be impacted by facing an opposing teams #1 or #2 pitcher, the ERA, BAA, etc. are directly related to the opposing teams lineup, which generally is the same day in and day out.

As noted above, I don't think we can go wrong either way, as both are very solid pitchers having great seasons. It could come down to whoever has a better weekend this coming weekend, with Goldsmith facing Shenandoah and Perry facing NCWC. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 02, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 02, 2012, 01:13:32 PM
While the W's and L's can somewhat be impacted by facing an opposing teams #1 or #2 pitcher, the ERA, BAA, etc. are directly related to the opposing teams lineup, which generally is the same day in and day out.
good points (although i think that baa is no more important than k's...a guy who pitches to contact needs to have a lower baa than a guy who makes people swing and miss - the delta between the two is one earned run in conference play, and perry has pitched 3 more innings) - your analysis neglects the issue of run-suppport vs. the opposing #2 pitcher - it's a lot easier to pitch (and get a win) when your offense is able to score for you against the #2 pitcher from the other team - cnu has scored at least 6 runs in all but one of goldsmith's 5 conference starts and a total of 38 runs in those 5 games...at least some of that has to be the fact that his offense is facing the #2 starter (cnu scored 21 runs in 3 sunday conference games goldsmith stared) - perry has had to pitch against the #1 all five times out and mu has scored more than 6 runs once (this weekend) and a total of 14 runs in those five games - as a former player i think you can understand the difference between pitching when you know your team has a chance to score a lot of runs...the margin for error that perry has had this season has been really small because he has always faced the other team's #1...goldsmith can't say the same

by the way and so that you know i apply this theory evenly, i disagreed publicly (on this board) with the selection of judge over womble for freshman pitcher of the year last year for this very same reason...womble was pitching on sunday most of the season, and judge was a mid-week guy - strength of opponent plays a big part in success, especially if you're measuring that success with wins and losses

we do agree, however, that both are very deserving at this stage...i think this weekend will determine the winner of this award
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 02, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
Narch I agree with some of your points and do think this weekend will play into it. Good debate as this is going to go down to the wire.

Now if MU sweeps this weekend they could be in position for the 4 or 5 spot! What do you think should be the right play here?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 02, 2012, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 02, 2012, 08:17:41 PMNow if MU sweeps this weekend they could be in position for the 4 or 5 spot! What do you think should be the right play here?
not sure what you're asking, but i think the monarchs should try to win every game they have left on the schedule :)
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Post by: PNeal7 on April 03, 2012, 07:48:45 AM
All very good points Narch. I agree completely that I think this weekend decides that race.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 03, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
Narch - sorry was asking if it was worth playing for the 4 or 5 spot. I am not a fan of the format and really don't like it when there is a chance for a team to go home on the first day. Methodist looks to be starting to come together and if they keep this up could be trouble in the tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 03, 2012, 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 03, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
Narch - sorry was asking if it was worth playing for the 4 or 5 spot. I am not a fan of the format and really don't like it when there is a chance for a team to go home on the first day. Methodist looks to be starting to come together and if they keep this up could be trouble in the tournament.
if they keep score, it's worth trying to win...and i could care less about seeding - with perry on the hill, mu has a chance to win the first game...if they go home after day 1, it's because they didn't play well enough to win

i'm not sure that mu is coming together...they swept a conference weekend for the first time this season, but a 2 game winning streak isn't enough, at this stage - if this team is going to finish above .500 (not to mention get to the 25 win mark), they've got to play much better going forward - they've got lynchburg (23-6) on wednesday, ncwc to finish the conference season, the conference tourney, and 2 vs. emory (19-8), one vs. wesley (18-9) and one vs. mwc (9-12-1)....it's going to be tough to get 8 wins
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Post by: narch on April 06, 2012, 05:07:21 PM
perry might have clinched pitcher of the year, going the distance in a 3-2 monarch win today and collecting 12 strikeouts along the way - the 2 er will raise his era a bit, though :)

nice win for mu...i'm hoping for another tomorrow
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Post by: narch on April 07, 2012, 04:06:35 PM
if (and that's a big if) the monarchs can hold on to this 6-3 lead and beat ncwc AND ferrum can beat greensboro...the monarchs will be the #3 seed in the tournament...just thought i'd throw that out there
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Post by: D-BAT on April 07, 2012, 04:43:38 PM
April 7, 2012

WINCHESTER, Va. -  No. 12/18 Shenandoah University earned a split of its weekend USA South Conference baseball series with No. 3/3 Christopher Newport University with an 8-7 win Saturday afternoon.

Shenandoah (22-8, 8-4 USA South) secures sole possession of second place in the league with the victory over the Captains (25-5, 9-3).

The win is also the 400th of the career for SU skipper Kevin Anderson. Anderson is now 400-216-1 in a combined 13 seasons at Shenandoah and James Madison.

Victory No. 400 might have been the last in a long line of wins, but it was far from easy.

Leading 8-3 with two outs in the ninth after freshman Matt Riegler retired two of the first three, the doors nearly completely came off for the Hornets.

Christopher Newport saw seven consecutive men reach base and had the bases loaded when Anderson turned to Jeff Stanek to try and end the threat.

Stanek, the fourth SU reliever of the frame, got catcher Ben Lenda looking on a 3-2 pitch to end the game and give the Hornets the one-run victory.

The Shenandoah win snaps a nine-game winning streak for Christopher Newport.

Senior Cory Nelson (4-3) allowed three runs (just one earned) on six hits and three walks in 7 2/3 innings.

Riegler recorded the next four outs before Kyle Scallion and Andrew Zarobila came on prior to Stanek.

Kurt Krout led a 14-hit attack with three hits while Nick Beall had a three-run HR in the first to give SU a 4-0 lead.

Jacob Vaughn (4-1) took the loss. He allowed six runs on eight hits in 2.0 innings.

SU is back in action on Monday night in a 6:00 home game against future ODAC rival Eastern Mennonite.

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Post by: narch on April 07, 2012, 05:05:09 PM
reading the box score, it looks like ncwc made it exciting having a runner thrown out rf to c for the 2nd out in a 6-5 monarch win - ncwc got out of 2 bases loaded jams in the 7th and 9th...when teams throw around thigpen and such, other monarchs will have to step up if they are going to make any kind of late run - mu "improves" to 19-16, 6-6 and secures a chance for the #3 tournament seed...let's go panthers :)
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Post by: narch on April 07, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
i must have looked at the fc and gc records wrong, since gc's win actually accomplished what i hoped for...a 3 way tie - mu should get the #3 seed by virtue of their 2-2 record vs. cnu and su
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Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 08, 2012, 01:41:21 AM
http://www.usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/20120407ridq8a

Looks like Methodist is the 4. I have no idea the methodology.

Perry would be held for a seemingly likely CNU matchup, right?
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Post by: narch on April 08, 2012, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 08, 2012, 01:41:21 AM
http://www.usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/20120407ridq8a

Looks like Methodist is the 4. I have no idea the methodology.

Perry would be held for a seemingly likely CNU matchup, right?
after looking at it 63 times, i missed the fact that gc was 3-1 in the fc, mu, gc 3 way head-to-head, while mu was 2-2 and fc was 1-3

i think it is likely that perry pitches game 1...losing the first game is not a good option and it increases the possibility that he can pitch again over the weekend if the monarchs continue to advance
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Post by: LTBB1971 on April 08, 2012, 11:12:39 AM
Really exciting game Friday.  Methodist beat NCWC 3-2.  C. Perry did great with 12 K's.  Bishops couldn't touch him in first 7 innings.  Kid was ahead 0-2 in just about every batter, most dominating performance I've seen in some time against NCWC. 
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Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 08, 2012, 12:51:36 PM
Quote from: narch on April 08, 2012, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 08, 2012, 01:41:21 AM
http://www.usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/20120407ridq8a

Looks like Methodist is the 4. I have no idea the methodology.

Perry would be held for a seemingly likely CNU matchup, right?
after looking at it 63 times, i missed the fact that gc was 3-1 in the fc, mu, gc 3 way head-to-head, while mu was 2-2 and fc was 1-3

i think it is likely that perry pitches game 1...losing the first game is not a good option and it increases the possibility that he can pitch again over the weekend if the monarchs continue to advance

Well...they're gonna play CNU -- just a question of whether it's on Day 1 (if they lose to Ferrum) or Day 2 (if they beat Ferrum). I think I have that right...let me know if I don't.

Methodist is eventually going to have to rely on the bats to get them through. I'd want Perry to be able to give me my best chance to beat CNU and hope the bats can get me through Ferrum. Do you think anyone else can beat CNU?

One possibility is to have Perry available in relief against Ferrum for a couple of innings if you need him, then start against CNU whenever that game happens. We saw what happened with not Perry pitching against CNU in the regular season. The staff game 2 worked against Ferrum...why not try that in Game 1? Would keep your options better for later in the tournament if Perry can get you by CNU. Guys like Womble and Lee that appear inconsistent but at times overpowering might be more valuable later in the tournament.

And if you lost to Ferrum then beat CNU, you still get a day off and if you threw a staff game against Ferrum, all or most of those guys would be back fully available.
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Post by: D-BAT on April 09, 2012, 12:48:21 AM
QuoteApril 9, 2012
By Greg Brill

WINCHESTER — Christopher Newport almost did it again.

Fresh off a comeback win on Friday night over rival Shenandoah University that clinched the program's first USA-South Conference regular season baseball title since 2008, the Captains put up four runs in the ninth inning on Saturday afternoon at Bridgeforth Field, loading the bases with the would-be tying run only 90 feet away.

With his bullpen blowing up by the batter, SU coach Kevin Anderson brought on Jeff Stanek to try and nail down the win.

The fourth reliever of the inning for the Hornets, Stanek didn't seem to mind that this was his first non-start appearance of the season.

He had one job and that was to get the third out. Stanek had an interesting battle with CNU catcher Ben Lenda, but got the out that was needed. Stanek got Lenda on a delayed called strike three to wrap up an 8-7 victory for SU.

"Coach told me, 'Go right at him,'" Stanek said. "We didn't have any open bases to give [Lenda]. I was very excited for the opportunity.

"It's a 3-2 count, bases loaded, so you can't let a pitch like that go by. I think it was a strike."

The win was the 400th for Anderson, who is in his ninth season with the Hornets. Anderson now has an overall record of 400-216-1 in 13 seasons, including four at Division I James Madison University in the mid 1990s.

The Hornets were happy to gain a split of the series, after falling to CNU 6-3 on Friday. From the start, the Hornets looked inspired and ready to play with purpose. That it ended up a one-run win didn't seem to matter too much to those in the SU dugout.

"I guess you can say a win's a win," said SU senior center fielder Jake Pendergraft, who leads the USA-South in batting and had his 15th multiple-hit game in the win. "When it comes down to beating a club like that, you know they're never going to quit. We just have to keep fighting to the end and trust everything is going to work out."

After building an 8-1 lead through five innings, 12th-ranked SU (22-8, 8-4 USA South) had to withstand another rally by third-ranked CNU (25-5, 9-3).

The Captains kept chipping away, scoring single runs in the seventh and eighth (both unearned) to pull to within 8-3. They scored four more in the ninth to keep fans on the edge of their seats, and Captains relief pitcher Matt Verdillo (no runs, five strikeouts in three innings pitched) kept SU off the board after the fifth.

"Verdillo baffled us and gave his team a chance to battle back," Anderson said. "You don't put up the numbers and the record that [CNU has] without them being competitors."

SU's Matt Riegler, who had come on to get the last out of the eighth, started the ninth well and retired the first two batters he faced.

Then it almost completely came apart for the Hornets. The Captains had their next seven batters reach safely against three different pitchers.

A walk to Shannon Mark began the string, and Anderson brought on Kyle Scallion. In making a rare appearance after early-season injuries, Scallion could not get an out.

Billy Steel (2-for-4) had an infield single, Connor Madden had a ground single to right for an RBI, and Luke Saunders (2-for-5) had a run-scoring single to right. Matt Shoemaker then had the third-straight run-producing at-bat, ripping a single off the mound, which then trickled into left field and allowed Madden to score and make it 8-6 SU.

Scallion got ahead of Steven Linemuth 1-2 in the count, but proceeded to throw three straight balls to load the bases.

Anderson then tried Andrew Zarobila, and that experiment lasted three pitches. Zarobila hit Steven Keener on his right ankle to force in a run and make it a one-run game.

Wearing out a path to the mound, Anderson brought on Stanek, who is 3-0 in five starts for SU. Stanik's first pitch was low and the second high for a 2-0 count. Stanik came back with two straight strikes, then Lenda fouled off a pitch. Stanik's next pitch went for a ball, leaving the count 3-2.

Stanik then busted a pitch into the zone that seemed to surprise both Lenda and the plate umpire, who made a delayed strike three signal, leaving the Hornets to charge the field in joy and Lenda to voice his displeasure as he headed back to the CNU dugout.

"When you're put in that situation, you've got to protect a little better with two strikes," said CNU coach Jon Harvell, who saw his team's nine-game win streak end. "But for us to be able to do what we did on the back end [of the game] with their top closer [Scallion] in, I'm proud with the way we came back."

Pendergraft is Stanik's roomate and he was pleased to see his teammate come through.

"Jeff's been huge," Pendergraft said. "He battled through an injury his sophomore year and come back well. I live with the kid. I know how he is. He's a bulldog and he wants the ball."

The overall play of Pendergraft provided a spark to SU the entire way. So did the starting pitching of Cory Nelson (4-3), who made few mistakes and pitched into the eighth. And SU's offense — up and down the lineup — came through, time and again, to make the Hornets a winner for the 11th time in 14 games.

CNU starter Jacob Vaughan came in unbeaten, but the right-hander could get only six outs and was knocked out in the third.

To start a 14-hit day for the Hornets, Joey Donofrio (2 for 5) led off with a solid single to right. Kurt Krout (3 for 5) followed with a bloop over second baseman Shoemaker for a hit, and Corbin Lucas singled sharply to left to plate Donofrio with the game's first run.

The Hornets had two runners in scoring position with no outs, but Vaughan got the next two hitters and was on the verge of getting out of danger allowing just one run.

That is, before Nick Beall picked an opportune time to launch his first college homer. Beall lined a shot that just cleared the fence in right-center for a three-run blast and 4-0 lead for the Hornets after one.

In the third, Pendergraft (2 for 4, two runs) led off with a seeing-eye double the opposite way to right. Nelson followed with a ground-rule double down the left-field line for an RBI to end Vaughan's time on the mound.

CNU reliever Andrew Juba wild-pitched Nelson in with two outs, and SU had a 6-1 lead.

The Hornets continued to manufacture runs in the fifth. Pendergraft again led an inning off with a hit, and stole second. One out later, Beall (two runs scored) walked and Mikey Paul (2-for-4) grounded a single through the left side to load the bases.

Tucker Brown followed with a sacrifice fly to left and nine-hole hitter Mike Minch (2 for 4) singled up the middle for an RBI and 8-1 lead.

Minch, who improved his batting average to .250, had only his second multi-hit game and first since collecting five hits on March 9 in SU's 11-3 win at Randolph-Macon College.

"They came out to play today," Anderson said. "I credit [the motivation] to our three captains — Jake Pendergraft, Kyle Scallion, and Cory Nelson. They had our team ready to play. That's the way we structure it. It's a player-run organization."

From there, SU counted on outstanding defense from Pendergraft, who roamed center for seven putouts and even gunned out Saunders at the plate to end the fourth, and the pitching of Nelson.

The senior righty allowed just two hits though six innings, including a solo blast by Keener in the second. Nelson has allowed only two home runs in over 56 innings pitched this season.

Nelson left after an error allowed CNU to score its third run of the game in the eighth. Reigler came on to get out of the inning.

SU will be the No. 2 seed when the USA South tournament begins later this week. The Hornets will face No. 7 seed North Carolina Wesleyan (2-10 in conference) Thursday at 4:30 p.m. in Burlington, N.C. in their first game.



Read BOLD quote above and Pendergraft for USA-South Player of the Year!

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 10, 2012, 02:07:34 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 08, 2012, 12:51:36 PMWell...they're gonna play CNU -- just a question of whether it's on Day 1 (if they lose to Ferrum) or Day 2 (if they beat Ferrum). I think I have that right...let me know if I don't.
i think you're correct, and you make a good case for holding perry, but i'm betting he'll go in game 1

i'm not sure if we've put the pitcher of the year discussion to bed just yet, but i was reading through some of the posts, and i saw a stat that i wanted to point out - i believe it was pneal7 who wanted to discount perry's strikeout numbers and point out goldsmith's superior batting average against (baa) - i would caution anyone from putting too much stock in baa as it is, unlike strikeouts, a variable which depends upon team defensive skills, while strikeouts rely only upon the pitcher and the batter - i don't have access to any metrics which measure range or defensive effectiveness beyond fielding percentage, but i will point out that among the top 3 candidates for pitcher of the year, the cnu pitcher benefits from having the defense with the highest fielding % behind him

as pneal7 pointed out, lineups remain relatively constant - it make sense then, to assume that a pitcher from mu, cnu or su faced somewhat similar opposition...except that the cnu and su pitchers got the advantage of facing the mu offense and perry did not, while the cnu and su pitchers did not have to face their own offense and perry did - mu was dead last in hitting in conference games at .223 while cnu and su were #1 and #2 in the conference in hitting at .285 and .284 respectively - in a small sample size (6 games), switching out 1 game vs. a team hitting .223 with a game vs. a team hitting .285 could be all the difference needed to swing the baa statistic in favor of a pitcher from cnu or su

it makes sense that a pitcher for cnu or su would have a lower baa than perry when you consider these factors
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 10, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
Well Narch they put it to bed for us. Perry is the man! I think it is a good choice. It could have gone either way because they both had great years.

As to holding Perry out I am split, while it is sound strategy would you be playing to lose the first game and like you said earlier you should play to win every game so then I would say go Perry game one and use him as few innings as possible then hope someone can step up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 10, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
http://www.usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/20120410u6sf2c (http://www.usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/20120410u6sf2c)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 10, 2012, 10:52:32 PM
With NCWC facing Shenandoah Thursday, to have a chance we'll have to score first and early.  I'm assuming Hornets will throw JR Vince Claudio.  Hard to tell who Bishops will send out to the mound but pitching has been solid all year, so I am not really worried.  I believe it will take 5+ runs to beat the Hornets so hopefully Alexander, Beasley, Laffin and Machin can remain hot. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 11, 2012, 08:52:25 PM
I just had a chance to review the All-Conference Teams. Here are my thoughts: Perry as Pitcher of the Year is correct, as he is very deserving of the award. I disagree with the Player of the Year though. I recognize Jaglowski hit .471 in-conference, but I felt Pendergraft from SU deserved the award more so than Jaglowski. It seems weird that a player with only 2 HR and 22 RBI receives POY honors, when we all are used to the Jess Maloney (GC), Brett Thomas (FC), Trae Bailey (CNU), and Greg Van Sickler (SU) type numbers from a POY. I also thought Matt Verdillo from CNU was very, very well deserving of a RP tab, as Fleischman and Verdillo are two of the best relievers in the conference, if not the best two. Also, Laffin from NCWC received a 1st Team OF award I feel is a joke. I see where he had a high average in conference, but the kid hit .288 overall with 0 HR and 13 RBI. There are several players more deserving of the 1st Team OF tab than that, including Madden (CNU), Lucas (SU), and maybe even Donofrio (SU) despite the low in-conference average. Lastly, I know Nelson (SU) had a horrific in-conference batting average, but he had a much, much better overall season than Morre (AU) who received 1st Team Utility over Nelson.

I didn't follow the USAS as closely this season, but by looking at the numbers and watching the limited amount I saw, it seems like the All-Conference awards were a bit of a joke this season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 12, 2012, 08:02:32 AM
PNeal7,
I am going to side with you on some of these...after all 12 games of Conference my vote goes to Shenandoah's Pendergraft.  On top of that his out of Conference stats are amazing with more than 1 RBI per game.  Coaches love that!  Pitcher of the Year I think is well deserved for C. Perry, he just destroyed NCWC for 8 innings. 

Now for the rest...I cannot believe NCWC could not get SS Jake Alexander as a First team UTL.  Wow!  He was the bishops BEST hitter this year after not playing the field last year.

Congrats to all selected.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2012, 08:22:36 AM
fayetteville observer article (http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012/04/11/1168919?sac=fo.sports) about trey such and the monarchs in the usasac tourney
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 12, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Big win for Methodist and Perry!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2012, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 12, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Big win for Methodist and Perry!
looks like perry was dominant today, with 13 k's...including 3 straight to finish the 9th in style

mu has got to get a better offensive performance than 5 hits and 2 unearned runs on friday, and i'm hopeful that womble (assuming it's him) can keep it close and give mu a chance to win...if the monarchs can get to sunday, perry might be able to give them 80 - 100 pitches and a chance to win
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
what a great luxury for su to get 8 strong innings and a win from their #3 starter - au went with the same approach, starting muench, who hadn't started another game in conference play...that strategy could play well for both teams and sets them up well for the rest of the weekend

oh yeah..c'mon panthers :) - an extra inning, pitching staff burning ferrum win would be fantastic here...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 13, 2012, 02:05:26 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 11, 2012, 08:52:25 PM
I just had a chance to review the All-Conference Teams. Here are my thoughts: Perry as Pitcher of the Year is correct, as he is very deserving of the award. I disagree with the Player of the Year though. I recognize Jaglowski hit .471 in-conference, but I felt Pendergraft from SU deserved the award more so than Jaglowski. It seems weird that a player with only 2 HR and 22 RBI receives POY honors, when we all are used to the Jess Maloney (GC), Brett Thomas (FC), Trae Bailey (CNU), and Greg Van Sickler (SU) type numbers from a POY.

Different world now. BBCOR has changed everything. Thomas had great power but it's just so much harder to hit a HR now. I still wonder what Thomas would have done as a pitcher with a team willing to give him time to development consistency as one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 13, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Averett stays alive in a thriller, 9-8 in 10 over NC Wesleyan. Wesleyan scored 4 in the 10th but Averett managed 5th in the bottom half. Cody Moore's walkoff 3 run home run provided victory after AU loaded the bases on walks and Kyle Newcomb double in 2 runs. He had 3 hits and 2 SBs.

It'll be interesting to see if Averett throws Long against Methodist considering Methodist's shaky starting pitching, or tries to hold him for CNU or Shenandoah.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2012, 09:26:08 PM
watching livestats and seeing mu have the bases loaded with one out and fail to score in the first and 9th innings of a 3 run game was tough...but i'm sure that ncwc fans are feeling even more frustration after watching their team score 4 only to give up 5 in the extra frame...tough way to lose

i've got to be honest, i'm impressed with the au coach...holding your saturday starter through 3 games of the conference tournament takes a certain amount of...guts
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 14, 2012, 12:38:29 AM
He didn't give himself a choice. Long threw on the 9th against Hampden-Sydney. I can't say I understand why that was, but it seems to have worked out to this point.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 15, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
NCWC loses to Averett 9-8 on worst coached baseball game I have ever seen the last 30 years.  Game was won by NCWC as Bishops score 4 on top of 10th needing 3 outs to move on to next day.  AU benched was so quiet you could hear crickets!!!

Out for the bottom of the 10th goes back JR Jake swartout who had pitched 3 innings game before plus warmed up to come in in earlier game vs Greensboro and now was on his 4th inning of work AGAIN.  Bishops had FR Dustin Bare fresh in bullpen.  Kid was warming up for 45-50 minutes just waiting for the call...instead Coach Long allows Swartout to load the bases with no one out, then give up a double to score 2 making score 8-6 with no outs and now men on 2B and 3B.  He then decides to pull the pitcher who should never had started the inning and brings in FR Hatteras Brooks.  Brooks warmed up in pen for maybe 2-3 minutes and had already pitched in 2 straight game.  Second pitch he throws has not landed yet as ball went over left field wall for 3 RUN HR.

In Division I, coaching like this gets you FIRED!  Tough to see all the seniors and current players who had worked hard to get a 4 run lead on top of the inning to let poor....actually terrible coaching decisions send them home.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on April 15, 2012, 02:45:15 PM
The NCWC pitching situation does sound pitiful. I remember a respected pitching instructor once saying: "if you don't get enough warmup pitches in, you will continue to warmup in the game (and get pounded)".  It's so basic.  What a terrible way to lose...

On another note, congratulations Captains!!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 15, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Congrats to CNU on their Regular Season and Conference Championships. It should be a very exciting Regional in Newport News, with CNU looking at the #1 seed. What are the thoughts on Shenandoah? I assume they are probably in with an at-large, but I guess that also depends on their post tournament games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 15, 2012, 10:17:04 PM
great season for the capts...i think su and cnu are both going to be playing on...it would be nice to see them in diff regionals so both have a chance to move on
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on April 16, 2012, 09:23:32 AM
If you'll indulge an ODAC fan who lurks on your board a thought here...  I suspect SU will probably get an at-large as well, despite their regional losses to both Lynchburg (DH split) and Bridgewater in the course of about 1 1/2 weeks.  Their reputation for being a solid regional team playing in one of the toughest two conferences in the SR, along with consistent national recognition during the season, probably gets them in.

Congrats to the Captains, and us Lynchburg fans are looking forward to seeing you on the field this Wednesday and hopefully in a few weeks in the SR.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 16, 2012, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 15, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Congrats to CNU on their Regular Season and Conference Championships. It should be a very exciting Regional in Newport News, with CNU looking at the #1 seed. What are the thoughts on Shenandoah? I assume they are probably in with an at-large, but I guess that also depends on their post tournament games.

It will be whatever the ratings formula comes out to be ... to eliminate any doubt, win out!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 17, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
Some observations from the conference tournament;
CNU can bang the baseball – typical CNU baseball = long ball
CNU has the deepest pitching by far in the conference
CNU bull pen the best in conference and has to one of the best in the nation
Shenandoah can hit the baseball 1 – 9
Averett can hit 1 - 9
Shenandoah or Ferrum have the best defense in the conference
Ferrum is a very good team and well coached
Sorry that Trey Such's career ended in the conference tournament
If I only have 5 dollars left and want to see a baseball game I hope that CNU is playing Shenandoah. This really has turned into a very good rivalry and sorry to see SU leave.
Now let's talk about regionals.
With CNU hosting a 6 team regional it will be interesting.
To answer gr8day4sbbll;
I think Lynchburg has the best chance at a Pool C bid with their only detractor is their SoS but they will need to win out. Bridgewater is further in trouble with their SoS and really need to win out and at least have a deep run in the playoffs. Bridgewater and Lynchburg played well against CNU or Shenandoah but beyond those teams they really don't have big W against anyone else on their schedule.  I will say I think that they both take care of business and get in.
My hopeful South Regional:
CNU
Shenandoah
Salisbury
Lynchburg
Bridgewater
Emory (think Birmingham Southern goes to TN)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 17, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
My hopeful South Regional:
CNU
Shenandoah
Salisbury
Lynchburg
Bridgewater
Emory (think Birmingham Southern goes to TN)

Thoughts?
i don't see bridgewater getting in unless they win the odac...lynchburg has got a shot, with just 7 losses, but i don't think bridgewater will be ranked ahead of piedmont or maybe even huntingdon in region (both pc and hc have pretty strong regional records against strong regional teams) - while piedmont or huntingdon may not fit well geographically in the south regional, at this stage i think both are more deserving of a bid to a regional (even if it isn't the south regional) than bridgewater - if emory is going to travel to this regional in this scenario, piedmont could, too - i don't see the odac as a two-bid league unless bridgewater were to upset lynchburg in the odac finals

piedmont is 21-12 in region with wins against marietta (21-4), cnu (29-6), millsaps (23-12), emory (21-10) and huntingdon (24-10)...all quality wins, which help the sos - of their 12 regional losses, 2 came to marrietta, 1 to millsaps, 2 to emory, 2 to huntingdon and 1 each to adrian (21-6) and depaw (27-5) - 9 of their 12 losses were to really strong teams...2 losses vs. maryville don't help, though - remaining games vs. bsc and lagrange (3) could bolster the lions chances
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 17, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Newport News may be a six-team regional, but it's not a certainty given this year's regional sites. McMinnville is a safe bet to have six. The others could be malleable depending on the field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on April 17, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 17, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
Bridgewater and Lynchburg played well against CNU or Shenandoah but beyond those teams they really don't have big W against anyone else on their schedule.

Actually, Lynchburg beat Birmingham Southern earlier in the season, and one of LC's losses was against Tufts (9-4) who isn't in the SR.  It's going to come down to the ODAC tournament for both LC and Bridgewater, but I agree that Bridgewater's only chance to make the SR is probably to win the ODAC tournament, while LC has a chance at an at-large bid without winning the tourney.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2012, 03:23:04 PM
Congratulations to CNU.

The Capital AC gets much tougher with CNU joining...

It makes for conditioning for the post-season to play Salisbury several times in conference play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 17, 2012, 09:42:23 PM
mu cruises over hsc, 9-2 today, to improve to 21-18...4 games left for mu to get to 25 wins and make it 31 straight seasons of 25 or more wins...it's a long shot, but still mathematically possible
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 18, 2012, 01:53:31 AM
When are the 1st reg'l rankings released?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 18, 2012, 07:26:04 AM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 17, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Newport News may be a six-team regional, but it's not a certainty given this year's regional sites. McMinnville is a safe bet to have six. The others could be malleable depending on the field.

IMHO, there is no doubt that Newport News will be a 6-team reg'l without lights.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 18, 2012, 07:50:04 AM
1st Regional Ranking call is on 4/26 according to the handbook
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 19, 2012, 08:52:21 PM
CNU regional will only be 6 teams.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 20, 2012, 07:34:07 AM
To recap NCWC season,
Offensively - few bright stars are team combined to hit a paltry .264, not due to head coach not mixing the lineup enough trying to find a fit at different positions.  Freshman all got a chance to see if they coul crack starting lineup but no one stepped up.  Only 1 player had more than 19 RBI's (C T. Clark with 32) and team had a total of 3 HR's.  Only 3 players showed any pop at the plate: C T. Clark (8 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR), 3B A. Nichols (9 2B, 1 3B), LF S. Machin (6 2B, 1 HR).  On the positive note, moving forward they only lose 2 starters (RF P. Laffin and 3B A. Nichols).

Defensively - Outfielder was mediocre, as we couldn't get to many balls and although a lot didn't show in box scores, Bishops has no speed out there and couldn't catch the ball.  On the infield, comedy of errors at SS and 1B led to some changes in those positions defensively late in the year that helped.

Pitching - Bright spot of this team this year and going forward.  Team ERA was 3.89 and although it seemed coaching staff had a shuffle of weekend starters this year, in the end Coach Stewart did a wonderful job with the boys and keeping them focused.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 20, 2012, 12:02:48 PM
Big weekend for our friends and soon to be conference teams - Piedmount - need the lions to have a big weekend!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2012, 08:59:35 PM
the monarchs get a split vs. emory, but perry takes his 2nd loss of the season - he went 6 ip and gave up 5 er...looks like he was a bit wild today, with 3 walks

in the nightcap, such and thigpen both homered
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 01, 2012, 02:20:37 AM
I can remember just like it was yesterday when others where questioning the opponents of SU and the cupcakes.

Well take a look at #10 Misericordia 32-6.   :)




2012 D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 week 10
Through games of Sunday, April 29

#   School (1st votes)   Rec   Pts   Prev.
1   Marietta (16)   30-5   612   1
2   St. Thomas (7)   28-4   599   2
3   Keystone (2)   32-4   576   3
4   Salisbury   30-7   517   6
5   Cortland State   31-7-1   508   7
6   Christopher Newport   30-7   490   4
7   Birmingham-Southern   35-7   439   11
8   Adrian   27-6   437   9
9   Wheaton (Mass.)   32-7   397   5
10   Misericordia   32-6   374   12
11   Kean   28-10   363   10
12   St. Joseph's (Maine)   35-5   316   17
13   Trinity (Texas)   34-10   300   8
14   UW-Stevens Point   25-9   268   13
15   Eastern Connecticut   26-9   265   16
16   Concordia (Texas)   33-9   216   14
17   Rowan   28-11   195   20
18   Washington and Jefferson   25-4   178   19
19   UW-La Crosse   27-9   173   22
20   Texas-Tyler   33-10   146   18
21   Lynchburg   34-8   140   25
22   Shenandoah   29-11   139   21
23   DePauw   30-10   105   15
24   Aurora   29-8   102   23
25   Montclair State   27-12   57   -
Dropped Out: No. 24 Ramapo.

Also receiving votes: Western New England 48, Alvernia 47, Amherst 29, St. Scholastica 29, Ithaca 10, Trinity (Conn.) 9, Ramapo 9, St. John Fisher 7, William Paterson 6, Franklin 3, Farmingdale State 3, Huntingdon 3, Linfield 3, North Park 2, Concordia (Ill.) 2, Bridgewater State 1, UW-Whitewater 1, Keene State 1.



The D3baseball.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly. Full members of NCAA Division III are eligible.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on May 01, 2012, 02:46:55 AM
The same Misericordia that swept Shenandoah and Alvernia, won two of three against rival DeSales, lost to Keystone and Neumann, and will play Cortland? That Misericordia or a different one?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 01, 2012, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on May 01, 2012, 02:20:37 AM
I can remember just like it was yesterday when others where questioning the opponents of SU and the cupcakes.
i remember it just like it was the last few years

here are the facts...for the first time in my recent memory, su played a schedule in which their owp was ranked in the top 75 nationally - their schedule currently ranks 58th, good for 4th best in the usasac behind cnu (24), ncwc (47) and mu (51) - perhaps it is not coincidental that su had its lowest winning percentage in the last 5 years...

btw...mu has played 8 games vs. those top 25 teams this year (going 3-5)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I'm new to the board and first off I would like to say congrats to CNU and I hope they can continue to have success in the postseason.  But, Why are so many people on Trey Such's side? Yes he has had a great career, but Methodist could have had a much better season if he could have thrown more people out, with a lot less past balls and if he could have been more clutch this yr offensively. They also could have been better if balls could have been caught in right field, and if there offense wasnt one of the worst team ba in the country. The monarchs staff was good enough to win 30+ games this year, but when the offense only averages 2 runs a game in conference it puts a lot of pressure on the young arms the monarchs have.  Next year will be kind of the same story unless the monarchs find some consistent offense besides younger. Let me know what you all think..
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 02, 2012, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I'm new to the board
welcome to the board...don't make this your only trip to share your insight

Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PMBut, Why are so many people on Trey Such's side? Yes he has had a great career, but Methodist could have had a much better season if he could have thrown more people out, with a lot less past balls and if he could have been more clutch this yr offensively.
in some ways, you have answered your own question...trey has had an outstanding career and i think most of the praise he has rec'd this year is appreciation for said career, but here are some of his offensive ranks in the usasac this year:

avg - tie 5th
hr - tie 5th
rbi - tie 16
walks - 1st
on base % - 2nd
slugging % - 7th
OPS (on base + slugging...not an official stat, but an important metric) - 3rd

i can't find any conference-wide situational statistics to refute your claim that he wasn't "clutch" in comparison to the rest of the conference, but i will say that it's hard to be clutch when you are being pitched around - such took 38 walks this season (he walked approx. 20% more times than any other player in the conference) - there were 8 players in the entire conference that had more than 20 walks - only beall from su (30 rbi) and thigpen (36 rbi) had more rbi's than such (27 rbi) among that group - the mu statistics package (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/Baseball/2012/teamcume.htm) does have situational statistics, and trey such hit .426 with runners on base, and led the team by a long-shot (with runners on base armstrong hit .368, thigpen hit .316 and younger hit .270) - with runners in scoring position, such was 2nd on the team with a .400 ba (thigpen hit .412 with risp and younger was 3rd among regular players with a .281 ba w/ risp) - i'm not sure exactly how you would define clutch, but these are the most typical metrics

and with regard to his defense...well, i don't think anyone has ever heaped praise upon trey such for his defensive prowess, although in 2011 he did throw out 20 of 45 runners before slumping to just 13 of 53 this year...maybe the veteran pitchers last year did a better job of controlling the running game ???

Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PMThey also could have been better if balls could have been caught in right field, and if there offense wasnt one of the worst team ba in the country.
i won't disagree...don't forget to point out the poor fielding by the entire infield - when the ss and primary 3b each have a .902 fielding %, it's not good

Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PMThe monarchs staff was good enough to win 30+ games this year, but when the offense only averages 2 runs a game in conference it puts a lot of pressure on the young arms the monarchs have.
i thought the arms were solid coming into the season, as well, but beyond perry and white, nobody pitched consistently well - the talent is there, though, no question...these guys just need to put it together and pitch well on a consistent basis (and mu averaged a little over 3 runs/game offensively, not 2...but your point is still valid)

Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PMNext year will be kind of the same story unless the monarchs find some consistent offense besides younger. Let me know what you all think.
i like the improvement from younger, but he's got to be bigger in big situations...he had just 1 rbi and a .286 ba in conference games, his ba dropped when runners were on base and in scoring position - thankfully thigpen should be back, and he drove in 7 runs in conference despite a .152 conference ba - he's too good a hitter to hit .152 again next year...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on May 02, 2012, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I'm new to the board
Welcome and have fun as this is a good board with a lot of smart baseball people.

Quote from: espn123 on May 01, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
The monarchs staff was good enough to win 30+ games this year, but when the offense only averages 2 runs a game in conference it puts a lot of pressure on the young arms the monarchs have.
Not really sure of this as you have a very good number 1 but.... a 4.24 overall and 4.20 confernce ERA are not that of a 30+ team. What Methodist needs to do is develop depth and yes they need to hit but the overall pitching staff needs to work hard to get better also. There is no way a team can win 30+ with just one side carry the load.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on June 04, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Well the end of an era in the USAS is now over and will begin a new in 2013.  I have to say I will miss the rivalry that has developed between SU, and CNU.  Since 2008 the two teams have played each other 3x for the conference tourney championship, and have won 4 of the last 5 w/ exception of 2009 when NCW won it.  So the USAS will start 2013 w/ its' three new members, and w/ CNU competing in its' last season before going to the CAC.  So I hope that 2013 will be every bit as exciting as 2012.  Everyone have a great summer, and I can't wait for 2013.  We all have a while to pick and predict the 2013 season.
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Post by: narch on June 05, 2012, 10:06:11 PM
i saw that bsc's maxwell went in the 2nd round...pretty awesome to see a d3 position player go that high

i'm interested to see if perry's name gets called tomorrow...
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Post by: narch on June 06, 2012, 12:33:58 PM
perry selected with the 540th pick in the 17th round by the cardinals...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2012/draftcaster.jsp

if I'm not mistaken, that makes him the 3rd d3 pitcher selected this year, and 4th d3 player...

http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2012/6/6/bb_0606124903.aspx

http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012/06/06/1182752?sac=fo.sports
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BCEagle97 on June 12, 2012, 10:30:28 PM
Just curious to know if there are any rumors circulating about coaching turnover in the USAS this summer.  NCWC has fallen off pretty significantly the past few years and Long has been there forever it seems.  What about Austin at Methodist (not that they have fallen off, but he is about at retirement age isn't he)?  Just curious to know anyone's thoughts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 15, 2012, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: BCEagle97 on June 12, 2012, 10:30:28 PM
Just curious to know if there are any rumors circulating about coaching turnover in the USAS this summer.  NCWC has fallen off pretty significantly the past few years and Long has been there forever it seems.  What about Austin at Methodist (not that they have fallen off, but he is about at retirement age isn't he)?  Just curious to know anyone's thoughts.
TA is still kicking strong...i suspect that he'll stick around at least long enough to potentially coach his sons, who are in their early teens, if i'm not mistaken
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on August 06, 2012, 09:01:15 AM
Narch - heard any updates on Perry and how he is doing?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on August 06, 2012, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on August 06, 2012, 09:01:15 AM
Narch - heard any updates on Perry and how he is doing?
Perry's Twitter feed says he made it through a bullpen without pain.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on August 14, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Is everyone getting ready for the start of the school year?  The kids will be arriving soon and then fall practice will get underway.  Anyone have any good news or info on the teams and incoming players?
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Post by: CNU85 on August 20, 2012, 08:37:03 PM

Some of you may already know about this. I thought I would pass along the very sad news about former CNU basketball coach and AD...CJ Woollum. I made sure I had permission from CNU before posting this. I am also posting a link for anyone who wishes to sign his guestbook. From the website Caringbridge.com I quote.....

"On July 23rd doctors found a tumor in CJ's brain. It was later identified as glioblastom​​a multiforme - an aggressive type of brain cancer. Surgery was completed on July 27th to remove the bulk of the tumor." A subsequent journal post indicates that CJ is now in rehab.

There is not enough room on this board to post all the accomplishments of Coach Woollum. Over 500 wins in 26 seasons. Numerous All-Americans. A player drafted by the NBA. Golf Coach. Mentor to the entire CNU Athletic department. CNU athletics grew to national recognition in just about every sport under his guidance.

Please take a moment to pray for Coach Woollum and his family!

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/cjwoollum

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on August 27, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
Ok school is starting back up and this is a new and exciting year in the USA South. So who does everyone see as making moves forward in their programs and who will take a step back? Who's recruiting class will make the biggest impact? When does fall ball start for everyone?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on August 28, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on August 27, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
Ok school is starting back up and this is a new and exciting year in the USA South. So who does everyone see as making moves forward in their programs and who will take a step back? Who's recruiting class will make the biggest impact? When does fall ball start for everyone?
Yep most of the boys should be going back or may already be back at school. The conference will be exciting w/ the new members. It should make for a tough 24 games in conference. I see CNU still being the team to beat even though they lost most of their line-up from 2012. They still have all of their pitching back.  Piedmont should challenge, and I see Methodist making a return after a down year in 2012. AU,GC and FC will build on last years good seasons. Lagrange and Maryville should also make for a tough conference, and NCW needs to get back on track after a very down 2012.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on August 28, 2012, 01:57:25 PM
Rollin2 - Couple things, 24 games! So play each other 3 times? The way I see it (take that for what it is worth) CNU is still on top - they are losing 6 of 8 fielding players but returning their entire D3 world series pitching staff (and heard a rumor that they improved that staff with this years recruiting class). Their offensive last year was a down year so replacing a .300 BA should not be a huge issue so need to replace all that power and with their staff really just need to create 4 runs or more. I see Methodist dropping even further than last year after their loses from seniors and draft. Peidmount will be tough as always and I really like the growth from Ferrum over the last few years and look forward to seeing if they can get over the hump. So to do a list now I would say;

1. CNU
2. Peidmount
3. Ferrum
4. Greensboro
5. Methodist

there you go shoot holes in it!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on August 30, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
BOS21 I think you are ok w/ the predictions.  The middle to the bottom is always going to be jumbled around in the USAS.  You never know. FC,AU,GC all had good years in 2012. They will definitely compete for the top half. This year more than ever will depend on pitching w/ the 3 game series. That is where I think a team like CNU will do well.  They are very deep in the starting rotation. This year your #4 will now be pitching mid-week games, and possibly your #5.  So your staff better be deep and prepared if you want to win a title.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on August 31, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
Rollin - well it looks like it is just you and me! So with this going to a 3 game series for conference this changes things a little bit. Personally I think this benefit CNU the most by far. The only teams that are really prepared for this are the new additions as they are accustom to playing 3 games series.  I think that my 1 – 3 are still good but after that I think the drop off will be large. I don't think schools like Averett, NCWC and Greensboro have the depth to be competitive with 3 pitchers in conference.  The issue here for the teams in the USA SOUTH are that CNU is returning the entire pitching staff that went to Appleton (first time I have seen no loses on a pitching staff in a long time) and I also heard rumors that with the incoming class they have actually upgraded it. CNU used 6 different starters and use 3 different pitchers in conference last year already. Peidmont is going to need someone to step up and Ferrum needs consistency out of their 2 and 3 slots.
In the table below I did some statistical analyst of returning pitching staffs using 2012 stats and removing the ones I know would not be returning (seniors and Perry) I have the ERA, win, loss and saves plus looking at the load for conference play returning pitchers who pitched more than 15 innings and then more than 25 innings. This lets us see how prepared the staff is to take on the increased pressures of conference series. I also provide the win percentage of those pitchers.

Now I think this will create a scenario where you will end up in a win the conference tournament or no real shot at regionals for most teams and I do not think we will see 2 teams from the USA South this year unless someone has a Cinderella tournament and CNU or Peidmont play to their expectations.
















Team     ERA  Win  Loss  Save    Return w> 15IP     Return w/>25IP      Win %
Averett    4.18  16  13    6          5            3      55.2%
CNU             3.29  34  10    12          9            8      77.3%
Ferrum        3.80  20  15     8          5            5      57.1%
Greensboro     3.37  13  9     3         3            2      59.1%
LaGrange      4.86  17  27     3         8            5      38.6%
Maryville      5.88  18  20     8          9            3      47.4%
Methodist     5.27  12  19     2          7            5      38.7%
NCWC          6.23  11  15     7          5            4      42.3%
Pmont       4.63  18  12     0          6            3      60.0%
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on August 31, 2012, 03:27:40 PM
BOS21.  That is some interesting info about the staffs.  I guess the only unknown at this time will be the incoming freshman and transfer contributions if any.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on September 01, 2012, 05:24:08 AM
CNU gets a SU transfer in Adam Emerson (Lafayette).

http://www.suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2011-12/bios/emerson%20adam%20p25g
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on September 01, 2012, 09:51:50 AM
Interesting. I guess local kid wanted to go back home. As Lafayette is close to CNU. Boy, CNU I would think will be a tough staff to transfer into w/ all of their pitchers returning.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 01, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
To be honest I do not understand this unless he wants to be closer to home or does not want to pitch and just try and play the field. Being from Shenandoah he knows the pitching staff from CNU and knows innings are going to be tough to get as a pitcher. So I am going with the wants to be closer to home train of thought.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on September 02, 2012, 09:40:01 AM
SU tuition is $13,775 (12-18 credits) per semester vs. CNU's tuition of $ 5,286.00 (12-17 credits) per semester.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on September 02, 2012, 10:45:15 AM
D-BAT, that is probably a good reason for any college student to transfer. Especially the d3 athlete who does not receive any scholarship help. Cost definitely can be a deciding factor on where one goes to school.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 02, 2012, 07:47:42 PM
Totally agree that is a big chuck of change.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on September 07, 2012, 09:42:22 AM
As D-Bat and Rolln2 pointed out, finances is a good reason for any dIII kid to transfer given they do not receive any athletic money. Some schools find creative ways to get kids 'academic' money, but nonetheless saving $8K + a year is appealing to either parents or a kid who will be paying back loans upon graduation.

In regards to the new conference schedule, here are my two cents: I believe a 3 game weekend series will better prepare all teams for tournament style settings. As noted below, weekday games will now be thrown by #4, #5, and #6 starters. In CNU's case, their best 2 pitchers come out of then bullpen(Fleischman and Verdillo) so they will be starting weekday games with about their 6th best pitcher on the roster. In regards to the new class coming in, from what I hear ( ;)) CNU has a few guys who can make an immediate impact. I'm not going to be the one to let the cat out of the bag, but I'd look for 1-2 names that you haven't heard before to have good seasons, depending on how they do in the fall. I would give CNU the very, very early advantage due to the pitching staff depth; however, a lot can happen between now and February.

I'm not really up to date on any other conference programs, outside of maybe SU due to where I live, so I won't rank the remaining order...Lol
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 07, 2012, 05:13:34 PM
You think the cost is high in the USA SAC...Look at the costs in West in CA.

Tuition + Fee's + Room/Board + Books/Supplies = $54,391 Annual Cost. This is directly from Chapman University Net Cost Calculator on their website today....4 years will cost over 200k IF they don't raise anything but the do every year.

This on par with other schools in the West Coast SCIAC conference. A few are higher in cost and a few are lower but all cost over 30K per year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on September 09, 2012, 02:32:25 PM
Anyone have any new info on the boys in the USAS?  I would assume most have started fall practice.  Ok people lets hear from you.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on September 10, 2012, 01:49:27 PM
the only early report i've gotten on the monarchs...team speed should be improved, despite losing the wheels of trey such :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on September 19, 2012, 07:11:24 PM
Well I guess there just isn't very much info flowing on the teams for the fall.  I know some have started and some have not.  If you know of or have heard anything let the information flow.  I am sure some of the teams are ready to go w/ the infusion of new and possibly transfer players.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 20, 2012, 08:41:17 AM
Rollin will get first look this weekend but will be in Winchester so won't help USA South much. I have not heard much from anyone so really don't know. Hopefully once everyone is back to playing people will get excited and activity will pick up on the board.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on September 25, 2012, 11:23:13 AM
Well as the saying goes "best laid plans" the crew got together and we were going to play 18 then sneak in and see the SU Hornets, oops a week early. So during our outing here is what everyone was talking about;

The Hornets look to have a solid squad with good pickups for this year and look to really be able to stick the ball (shock).  Sorry I know ODAC but have a soft spot in my heart for them.

Methodist looks to be a very solid offense club that will probably beat you with good base running and team hitting, that said even though they have to replace the speed of Such (3 SB great line Narch) they appear to be faster as a team and can really cover the field. The Monarchs will win as a team this year with solid approach and no one person really having to carry the load. That said they will need people to step up and produce.

Ferrum looks solid and will be good on both offense and defense. The Panthers will not be flashy but rather a very solid fundamentals team.  Ferrum is returning a solid core of players and look to have players ready to step up and replace the big key loses from last season.

CNU is in a transition phase, gone is the power from last year but returning is the entire pitching staff. When asked about the CNU pickups and how that will help the only thing said was that there is only one word to describe this year's pitching staff and that is "WOW". It was said that CNU just needs to score and they will have a chance in all their games. No one really had any ideas of what the offense will look like, how much power they will have but said the defense looks solid and the pitching is any opposing teams nightmare.

Also heard that Coach Wissinger CNU went to be the Assistant Head Coach at VWC. If so that is a great pickup for VWC who has been struggling as of recent and needs to get back on track.

I have not heard anything about the rest of the teams so really have no idea. I was kind of hoping that SouthernBall would jump on here and give us some Piedmont info.

Think we must have lost a lot of posters to graduation because the board really has not been to active. Hope everyone is enjoying fall ball and will post from time to time when I hear stuff.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: southernball8 on September 26, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
From what I have seen from Piedmont, I don't know how they will be. They got a couple of good transfers in and also have some good young talent. If they can play as a team and come together I think they have a chance of a pretty good year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on September 28, 2012, 03:06:18 PM
Has anyone played against outside competition yet this fall?  I heard that CNU is playing at Norfolk State this Saturday.  Guess we will hear soon how the Captains look.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on October 01, 2012, 03:28:17 PM
Did the rain wash away all the weekend activies? Did CNU play Norfolk State?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on October 03, 2012, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on October 01, 2012, 03:28:17 PM
Did the rain wash away all the weekend activies? Did CNU play Norfolk State?
I heard they did play in and out of the rain all game long. Don't really know any particulars other than they looked young but talented, and the staff was very good.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on October 08, 2012, 09:48:32 AM
Thanks for the update Rollin, that is what I heard also. Have not heard much from anyone about how teams look but hopefully the talk will pick up as winter is coming!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on October 18, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
Well I would assume that most programs have either finished up w/ the fall season or are getting close.  With that said have not heard much from USAS fans.  Hope to hear about some of the programs and their views now that the teams have had the fall to figure things out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on October 31, 2012, 10:12:42 AM
Rollin - Have not heard much from anyone about their teams this year. Really kind of funny how quite it has been. I am hoping for a strong USA South year but have no real idea of where everyone stands. I am wondering if some teams are down this year and that is why we are not hearing much or if everyone is just holding their cards close to the vest. So as winter approaches and the long wait begins I am hopefull that the chatter picks up. The only things I have heard have been about CNU and Shenandoah (sorry they are in the ODAC now), so hope to hear from the others soon!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on November 14, 2012, 07:21:54 PM
Most of the schedules are posted and the biggest dissapointment of the 2013 season so far is that CNU and Shenandoah are not scheduled to play each other. This was turning into one of the best series around. Darn it!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on November 15, 2012, 07:16:22 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on November 14, 2012, 07:21:54 PM
Most of the schedules are posted and the biggest dissapointment of the 2013 season so far is that CNU and Shenandoah are not scheduled to play each other. This was turning into one of the best series around. Darn it!
I saw the CNU schedule.  Looks like w/ the 3 game series in conference for a 24 game total they din't have much room left. The non-conference schedule looks like the normal CAC, and ODAC yearly competitors. So w/ that said it doesn't look like much left for anyone else. Also noticed normal yearly out of region competitors aren't on schedule either. No Cortland St. or Tufts this year. Maybe next year when they go to the CAC for two game series they will make some room for the CNU/SU rivalry again.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on December 05, 2012, 09:33:51 AM
Been searching the web for the USAS teams looking for 2013 rosters.  Have not seen many up to date at this time. Interested to see the new additions and if there are any returners that may have been lost.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on December 11, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
Only about a month or so until the guys are back on the field practicing for the 2013 spring season. With that in mind who do you think will be the pre-season favorites to be on the all-conference team?  A lot of good players in the conference and a lot of returners from last year as well.  But I am also sure there will be some talented transfers and freshman that may make run at all-conference as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 11, 2012, 07:19:25 PM
Rollin = Not really sure as not heard a lot about anybody. CNU should be picked to win it but they have questions to answer other than the pitching. Expect Ferrum and Piedmount to be tough after that no really clue. As to the players you have to figure that CNU will hold most of the pitching slots because with 3 conference starters and their bullpen.

1st   Beasly - NCWC
2nd  Feldman - Greensboro
3rd  Maybe Newcomb - Averett (if he plays 3rd again this year)
SS  Steele - CNU ALexander - NCWC
C    Welker - Ferrum
OF Kidd - Averett
OF Parham/Davis - Piedmount
OF ?
DH McDougal - CNU
UTIL Cody Moore - Averett

Coach OTY - Who ever wins the conference (Harvell)
Player OTY - Welker - Ferrum ( or McDougal if he plays the field)
Pitcher OTY - 1 or 2 starter or setup or closer for CNU
Rookie OTY - ??
Rookie Pitcher - CNU
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on December 13, 2012, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on December 11, 2012, 07:19:25 PM
Rollin = Not really sure as not heard a lot about anybody. CNU should be picked to win it but they have questions to answer other than the pitching. Expect Ferrum and Piedmount to be tough after that no really clue. As to the players you have to figure that CNU will hold most of the pitching slots because with 3 conference starters and their bullpen.

1st   Beasly - NCWC
2nd  Feldman - Greensboro
3rd  Maybe Newcomb - Averett (if he plays 3rd again this year)
SS  Steele - CNU ALexander - NCWC
C    Welker - Ferrum
OF Kidd - Averett
OF Parham/Davis - Piedmount
OF ?
DH McDougal - CNU
UTIL Cody Moore - Averett

Coach OTY - Who ever wins the conference (Harvell)
Player OTY - Welker - Ferrum ( or McDougal if he plays the field)
Pitcher OTY - 1 or 2 starter or setup or closer for CNU
Rookie OTY - ??
Rookie Pitcher - CNU
Who is the rookie for CNU?  What do you know about him and why?  I think most of your picks are good starts at this point.  But I have a couple different.

1B- Younger-Methodist
OF- Thigpen-Methodist
These two guys had good Jr. years and I see them doing well again as seniors. But as for the rest I am like you and don't know a lot.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 14, 2012, 08:13:48 AM
Oh yes how in the world did I miss Thigpen. He is a lock. Good catch.
I think Beasly willl have better opportunities to put up numbers so went with him. But agree it will probably be between these two at 1B.
As to Rookie POTY the only pitching I have really heard about is CNU and it was said here earlier that they got some transfers and Freshmen in that will make an impact this year so went with that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 19, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
For NCWC I doubt Alexander will start at SS.  That was a stop gap move last year due to FR Guengerich getting hurt and too many errors.  I think he will actually move to 3B this year with SR A. Nichols gone.  As for Beasley, he will be battling SO 1B J. Rodriguez for AB's.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on December 19, 2012, 02:02:19 PM
I'll try to shed some light on CNU without giving away too much information  ;). CNU does have some big time arms this year, both returners from last and newcomers (both freshman and transfers) that the conference has not seen. I would look for some of the newcomers to play a large role in the pitching staff, including being the weekend starters. (We are actually working on getting a few of these arms up on our club in the Valley League for this coming summer). CNU's pitching staff is without a doubt their strong point as they look to replace a majority of their position players. Steele and McDougal will lead their offense, with a slew of newcomers coming in. Sophomore Preston Grissom is a guy that could make an impact as an OF, as he has very good speed and from what limited action I saw/heard last year swings it fairly well.

Unfortunately, I do not know much about the rest of the conference, especially with the re-alignments.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on December 19, 2012, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on December 13, 2012, 02:55:36 PMBut I have a couple different.

1B- Younger-Methodist
OF- Thigpen-Methodist
These two guys had good Jr. years and I see them doing well again as seniors. But as for the rest I am like you and don't know a lot.
i like your inclusion of a couple of monarchs, but thigpen will need to hit better than .152 in conference and younger will have to have more than the 1 rbi he had in conference games last year if either are going to be first-teamers...both clearly have the ability to be 1st teamers, but they've got to step up in conference games

the three day weekends are going to be brutal...a team like cnu with so much pitching depth has got to be a big favorite to win the conference
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 20, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
LTHS - Alexander had pretty good numbers last year so you think maybe he can keep improving and be all conf at 3B?
Narch - I feel Thigpen had a down year last year and he should be in a good position for a breakout year. That is if he is comfortable with his role this year. I think if the Monarchs are going to have a good year he is going to need to step up big. I maybe wrong but.,,,
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on December 21, 2012, 10:27:44 AM
When I looked at Younger and Thigpen it was more about a total seasons worth of work.  I think they both had very good years.  Of course all-conference seemed to come down to the 12 games which is just a very small portion of any players season.  Now this seasons conference sample will be much different w/ 24 games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on December 24, 2012, 09:40:01 PM
I see where the first d3 pre-season poll is out.  Collegiate Baseball has CNU representing the USAS at #6 in their top 30 poll.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on December 27, 2012, 03:29:57 PM
Saw this tweet today fron Dec 23. Wow announcing Regional sites already??

USA Baseball Stadium‏@USAStadium

@USAStadium was notified today that we will host the NCAA D3 South Region Baseball Tourney May 16-19, 2013 @d3baseball pic.twitter.com/TpNqNnZU
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Post by: rolln2 on December 27, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on December 27, 2012, 03:29:57 PM
Saw this tweet today fron Dec 23. Wow announcing Regional sites already??

USA Baseball Stadium‏@USAStadium

@USAStadium was notified today that we will host the NCAA D3 South Region Baseball Tourney May 16-19, 2013 @d3baseball pic.twitter.com/TpNqNnZU

I saw that too. But I would bet that if CNU or Salisbury or any team a little further east were to put in for it. And they were ranked in the region at the time. Then Millington would probably become what it was in 2012. A region that had more central and south central teams again. Last year they had teams like Webster and Birmingham Southern in that region. In 2011 Millington was the host site, but none of the regionally ranked south region teams put in for it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 08, 2013, 09:32:33 AM
Ok here we go.  Some of the teams have already begun to practice.  In about 4 weeks or a little less they will open play.  Then it is straight in to the tough USAS conference play.  Twenty-four games on tap.  Any guesses on what record it will take to win the conference?  I am going to go out and say that 18-6 will win it. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: makeitnasty on January 09, 2013, 11:12:29 PM
I think that CNU has USAS in the bag. If they lose more than 5 conference games I will be shocked. With 2 D-1 pitchers from C-USA on their staff now, along with the arms they already have returning, I don't see them having a team ERA above 3.50, which will make up for any inconsistencies their younger bats may experience throughout the season. 20-4 record in USAS play is my prediction for them. I expect to see them make a strong run all the way to Wisconsin and the Championship game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 10, 2013, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: makeitnasty on January 09, 2013, 11:12:29 PM
I think that CNU has USAS in the bag. If they lose more than 5 conference games I will be shocked. With 2 D-1 pitchers from C-USA on their staff now, along with the arms they already have returning, I don't see them having a team ERA above 3.50, which will make up for any inconsistencies their younger bats may experience throughout the season. 20-4 record in USAS play is my prediction for them. I expect to see them make a strong run all the way to Wisconsin and the Championship game.
Welcome to the board makeitnasty.  You must know the CNU team very well. But I will say that being a USAS fan for many years that I have learned one thing. That in this conference nothing is ever in the bag.  But thanks for the prediction.
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Post by: PNeal7 on January 10, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
I agree with Rolln2, nothing in the USAS is ever in the bag. The league is too competitve and in a 3 game weekend series anything can happen. With that sad, I do think CNU has the best shot to win the conference. They do have some big time, new arms this season, one of which is now coming to play for us in the Valley League (I won't announce which one yet). The league sets up very nicely for them with all of their pitching depth, but they have many tough games on the schedule. Methodist is always a tough series, Piedmont will be tough as well, Greensboro is improving and CNU plays at Greensboro this year. Plus, CNU plays a conference game for their 2nd game of the year. Regardless of the talent they have, no team is ready for conference games after only 1 regular season game. That first series against Ferrum will be tough, especially with one day being a double header.

Best of luck to my Captains.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 10, 2013, 01:02:00 PM
Welcome Makeitnasty - as to CNU having in it the bag, not really sure anyone wants to come out and say that in the USA South. They will have to prove they can do it each and every year, or at least for their final year. As to their pitching staff I have heard that they returned the entire staff and then upgraded it with both Transfers (D1 and D3) and Freshman class so if that is the case I think you meant to have an team ERA of 2.50 not 3.50. They have had a team ERA of 3.19 and 3.29 for the last 2 years and if they go up to a 3.50 this year with a stronger staff I think the coaching staff will be unhappy and I know that I would feel they under-performed their expectations. The biggest factors effecting the staff for this year will be 1. New catcher - how will the catcher handle the staff and how good is he behind the plate. 2. Without the big power from past years to lean on will the staff feel they have to do it all themselves and put to much pressure on themselves and not just relax and do their job.

I still think Ferrum and Piedmont are going to be tough and with Methodist being Methodist you are going to have a fight each time you take the field. I have also said I like what Greensboro's been doing in re-building their team and think they are an up and coming team. So I would not be asking "Paper or Plastic" just yet and now the Captains will have to prove it on the field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 11, 2013, 02:03:47 PM
Speaking of teams having the conference in the bag. I went back and looked up the conference coaches preseason polls. Over the last 10 years only 3 of the preseason top picks have gone on to win the regular season crown. So it looks like the USAS is really never in the bag.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on January 12, 2013, 08:14:05 AM
You are 100% correct. Very rarely do the final standings in the USAS look exactly like the preseason polls.

I like CNU as the favorite (partially due to obvious reasons, partially do to my bias) but Methodist and Piedmont are right in the mix as well. Of topic, but Piedmont has an absolutely gorgeous place to play. We went down to Atlanta for a spring break trip my freshman year (2006-2007) and played there. I was amazed at how nice the park was.

Here's to baseball being back in a few short weeks! Unfortunately with Shenandoah leaving I lose my one close/easy trip to watch the Captains play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 16, 2013, 09:52:05 PM
USAS put out its' preseason coaches poll today.  CNU picked as the unanimous choice for 1st place. Ferrum and new conference member Piedmont tied for second, w/ Methodist and Averett rounding out the top five.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
CNU 2013 roster up and some names missing, one of the biggest is Goldsmith anyone what is up there? Is he playing some where else?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 19, 2013, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on January 18, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
CNU 2013 roster up and some names missing, one of the biggest is Goldsmith anyone what is up there? Is he playing some where else?
Saw the roster for CNU as well. Yes they are missing 4 pitchers to be exact. Goldsmith and three relievers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: vabaseball on January 19, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
I also am curious about Goldsmith. If anyone hears, please post. Thanks.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 20, 2013, 10:52:15 AM
Well CNU roster is up and let me just say upfront, great job by the coaching staff on recruiting. Talk about bringing in talent. I know of a few of the transfers and yes while I was a bit skeptical about them upgrading their pitching staff before I am not now. Even with the loss of Goldsmith I think he will be missed but they will not be hurt by it. Not sure I know too many teams that can lose an all-south region pitcher and say that. I bet I can guess the arms PNeal is trying to get up there for his team! That said if they can keep these guys healthy (Berlein for a whole season etc.) and play a little defense then this staff can put up some really good numbers (maybe in the mid to high 2 range is my prediction) but they will still need to score some runs. Also really like the pickup of Emerson, saw him throw on many occasions last year and while some times lights out there were times when he struggle. These times seemed to be more mental than mechanics so if he can get in with that CNU bull pen and learn their toughness and approach then he could really be a big help.
As to the other teams; really waiting to see the rosters get posted as I have not heard much about them. The season is only a couple of weeks away and really think most of the VA teams have been indoors for much of their practices so far so that might be a dis-advantage. But hey it snowed this week so it must be baseball season!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 20, 2013, 05:04:48 PM
Boysofsummer21. They must have gotten some good arms if they are going to replace a 2x all-conference and all-region pitcher in Goldsmith. But CNU has had some pretty good staffs over the years. So like any good program.  You don't rebuild you try and reload. Like we all know though. What looks good on paper does not win games on the field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 21, 2013, 10:55:31 PM
I was looking at some of the USAS schedules today. It looks like the first conference weekend will be a good one w/ Ferrum tied for 2nd in the USAS coaches poll visiting #1 CNU. What a way to get the conference season started. Ferrum and CNU had three good games last year w/ one of the games going 14 innings. Can't wait just a couple of weeks to go.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 23, 2013, 12:43:26 PM
NCWC will have a tough time filling a lot of holes in this lineup.  2012 the strength of this team was pitching but with the losses of Roberts, Flynn, Costa and Wessell, they will have some big shoes to fill.  Offensively the bishops will have to rely heavily on SR C Tyler Clark and SR 2B Jake Alexander.  Not much else on the returning roster to brag about IMO.  On the mound SO Hatteras Brooks and JR Jackson Pleasant should be the number 1 and 2 punch and are extremely capable with SR Jake Swartout closing the 8th and 9th frames.  Besides that tons of question marks.  I think Bishops with their competitive schedule and a tougher USA SOUTH will struggle to get past the 15 win mark.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on January 25, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
Well it must be time for college baseball.  As I look outside the ground is covered white and it is about 20 degrees. Sure hope the weather improves a little as next week the boys start playing games. Wonder how many USAS teams have actually been able to get outside and play a few intra-squads.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on January 26, 2013, 04:16:53 PM
Since the signed contact has been received, thus making it official, and given Boysofsummer21 inquired about it in an earlier post, Austin Chrismon will be coming up to play for us in the Valley Baseball League.

Best of luck to all teams, but especially the Captains, as the season is about to get under way.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on January 26, 2013, 09:58:05 PM
PNeal that is a good pick up for your team! I hope that he has a really good season for you guys.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BaseballGuru82 on January 28, 2013, 01:17:15 PM
Came across the Players to watch list today. Noticed several USA South Players on the List! Good luck to all teams and i cant wait to catch a few games! Go Ferrum!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on January 29, 2013, 11:53:42 PM
Who is on the list? Where can it be located? I'm new to the board, but have been following NCWC baseball since '05, as well as the rest of the USA South.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: BaseballGuru82 on January 30, 2013, 11:26:27 AM
I found it while scanning the shenandoah baseball page. They have a link there leading to a PDF file listing everyone in the country

http://www.suhornets.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/files/collegiatebaseball13.pdf
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on January 31, 2013, 12:32:21 PM
Quite a few USA south members on that list. CNU has afew i saw ferrum up there. Piedmont had a couple outfielders. USA is very competitive. Tyler Clark- catcher from NCW is not up there. I thought for sure he would be a top player. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 01, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
Well most of the teams in the USAS open up this weekend. With that said Conference play is only a week away. The first weekend shows Averett/Maryville, Ferrum/CNU, Piedmont/Greensboro, Methodist/LaGrange, and NCW has the first bye.  Any predictions on how the first conference series will turn out? Should be some highly contested series.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 01, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
USAS fan,
Tyler Clark with surprise a lot of people this year.  He receives well behind the plate, has a good arm and can hit to all parts of the field.  Trouble is I believe coaches will begin pitching around him once they see a lack of protection in the lineup.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
just read the mu season preview...http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2013/2/1/BB_0201133706.aspx

lots of question marks, in my mind...i hope i'm wrong, but this could be another season like last for mu unless the young arms can put it together...

we'll see starting today...gonna try to make it out for a few innings if it warms up a bit :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 02, 2013, 07:09:03 PM
The USAS and the ODAC played 6 games against each other today. The USAS came out on top 4-2 as AU swept Sydney, MU beat Roanoke and Piedmont beat Guilford. EMU recorded the 2 wins for the ODAC as they swept NCW. MU and Ferrum will get a chance to add two more wins for the USAS if they can beat EMU and Roanoke on Sunday.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2013, 07:19:11 PM
the monarch bats were hot today, even if it was cold outside...they pounded out 17 hits in a 15-7 win - it was a bit of a tough start for ayers and the mu defense early, but the monarch bats come to life in a big way in the 4th when mu scored 9 runs - lots of running and clutch 2 strike hitting from the monarch offense - i left after the 4th (did i mention it was COLD), but it appears that judge pitched well, going 4 innings without an earned run

power had a really nice day behind and at the plate...he made two great throws to get roanoke runners with plenty of time to spare and he went 3-5 with 3 rbi's - looks like the monarchs won't miss trey such :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 02, 2013, 08:44:15 PM
NCWC started worst than I expected. Got swept at home by EMU to open up the season. These are 2 games I counted on the win column for the bishops. Many upper class man missing from team, so not exactly sure if they were suspended or what.
pitching was A+. Both closers from last year started and played extremely well. Defense made 6 errors in 14 innings...not good. Hitting was MIA. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
i'll take a 2-0 start for the monarchs, even if it is against roanoke - looks like the monarchs got solid pitching from the sophomore tandem of inman and royer on sunday, giving up zero er's and recording 8 k's - royer got his first collegiate win after converting from the middle infield last year - the next 9 games are conference games (lagrange, ncwc, fc), so it's time to play big-boy baseball - if the monarchs can win 6 games in that stretch, i'll feel really good

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Post by: PNeal7 on February 04, 2013, 09:32:59 PM
CNU opens with a 16-5 win over Hampden Sydney. Freshman catcher Bryant Lowery had 3 RBI's on the day, and JR SS Billy Steel had 2 hits and 2 RBI's. CNU's bullpen combined to throw 7 IP while allowing on 4 hits, 3 BB's, 0 Runs, and 10 K's. Starter Nick Santalucia lasted only 2 innings, giving up 6 hits, 2 BB's, and 5 earned runs. It's nice to see the young lineup producing 16 runs in their first game on the year. Next up for CNU is Ferrum this weekend in Newport News.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 06, 2013, 08:43:03 PM
Looks like Ferrum had a tough loss at home today vs Roanoke.  They have played two tough games vs two of the lower tier teams in the ODAC preseason poll.  Beating EMU 7-5 and losing to Roanoke 2-1.  Not looking good for the USAS w/ the preseason #2 having games like this.  But it is early, and they have to go to CNU for 3 games this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 07, 2013, 10:24:21 AM
Rollin - Starting to wonder about Ferrum. They had to come from behind to beat EMU and then where completely shutdown by Roanoke. I mean down 1 in the nineth with a runner at 3 no outs and could not get him home, ouch. So this weekend will be big for them. It will be interesting as they will go up against CNU front line pitching. Will also be interesting to CNU trot out their big arms for the first time this year. Looking forward to seeing the results.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 07, 2013, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: rolln2 on February 01, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
Well most of the teams in the USAS open up this weekend. With that said Conference play is only a week away. The first weekend shows Averett/Maryville, Ferrum/CNU, Piedmont/Greensboro, Methodist/LaGrange, and NCW has the first bye.  Any predictions on how the first conference series will turn out? Should be some highly contested series.
I posted this last week and have not seen any predictions for the first conference weekend. Anyone out there care to make some predictions. Ok I will start w/ my predictions. I see AU over Maryville 2 gms to 1, CNU wins series vs FC 2-1, GU wins series vs PC 2-1, and MU bests LC 2-1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 07, 2013, 12:20:14 PM
Rollin - Glad that you stepped out to make some predictions! Would say your odds to be correct are 2-1. I think ther could be a couple of sweeps this weekend - Maybe Averett and maybe CNU. Do you think GU will take 2 from Peidmont? I think that would really hurt Peidmont right out the gate.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2013, 01:02:16 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on February 01, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
Well most of the teams in the USAS open up this weekend. With that said Conference play is only a week away. The first weekend shows Averett/Maryville, Ferrum/CNU, Piedmont/Greensboro, Methodist/LaGrange, and NCW has the first bye.  Any predictions on how the first conference series will turn out? Should be some highly contested series.
i'll give this a shot...
AU over M'ville 2-1
CNU over FC 3-0
PC over GC 2-1
MU over LC 2-1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on February 07, 2013, 07:36:51 PM
Tough day for NCW as they drop one to HS. Bats were once again silent at NCW could only strike for 2 on 8 hits RBIs from 2B Jake Alexander who had 2 hits and 1B Will Beasley who's RBI single was his only hit of the game. Pitching was horrific. Can't leave the ball up and expect good results. NCW must figure it out and quickly. Lets hope it's not another "Long" year for the Bishops.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 07, 2013, 07:41:18 PM
Looks like Hampden-Sydney took out its' frustration of losing three straight games to USAS opponents on NCW. Wow a 13-2 loss is tough. Whats' up w/ the Bishops losing 3 straight to the ODAC and sitting at 0-3 to start 2013. If they are going to play like this it will be a long season in the USAS.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 09, 2013, 08:55:53 PM
CNU took two from Ferrum on the day, including scoring 8 runs in the bottom of the 9th to climb out of a 7-0 hole in the 2nd game of the day. Austin Chrismon goes 7 IP, striking out 8 and allowing 0 runs, to lead CNU to a 3-0 victory in the 1st game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2013, 06:17:12 PM
mu avoids the sweep, getting a 7-5 sunday win...3 close games this weekend with  mu losing 4-2, 5-4 in 10 and winning 7-5
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 10, 2013, 09:55:53 PM
Well after 1 weekend of conference play I think everyone is looking at our news members saying they are stronger than we expected with all 3 going 2-1 in their first set of conference games. Also CNU takes 3 from Ferrum and from what I hear the last 2 where heart breakers. Everyone I talked to said that Ferrum's starting pitching was very good all weekend long and did their jobs very well. So ferrum will regroup and I don't think I want to be their next oppenent as they will probably be ready to take it out on someone. So now really looking forward to next weekend when Maryville rolls into CNU, Lagrange goes to Averett and Ferrum has Greensboro. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 11, 2013, 09:08:59 AM
rolln2,
NCWC is playing real young.  They took 2 of 3 from a real bad EHU team in which they should have swept.  Hitting has been almost nonexistent with the exeptions of 2B Jake Alexander and LF James Johnson.  I believe at one point 1-4 batters were all freshamn.  Still missing 1B JJ Rodriguez, C Tyler Clark and OF Stephen Machin in the lineup.  2B Brad Guengerich broke his hand on opening day, so that will put a damper on the infield, now being forced to play a FR at SS.  Up next is Div II St. Andrews...not going to be pretty.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on February 11, 2013, 07:59:55 PM
Well the first conference weekend has come to close.  My picks were off w/ Maryville going 2-1 over Averett, and Methodist losing 2-1 to LaGrange. I also failed on the Piedmont/Greensboro series as Piedmont won it 2-1. I didn't see CNU sweeping Ferrum either.  So with all of that said.  I definitely need to stay away from Las Vegas. So far it looks like the cold weather has the bats a little quiet and the pitching doing well.  Next weekend should bring about another good set of series in the USAS.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 12, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
CNU advances to 5-0 beating EMU 15-6. Preson Grissom had 4 hits on the day, with Justin Weaver and Billy Steel each adding 3 RBI on the day.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on February 13, 2013, 12:46:08 PM
NCW game against DII St. Andrews has been cancelled. The word is C Tyler Clark has Mono and will not be able to play till later in the season. What is NCW to do without his bat in the lineup first conference weekend. 2B/SS Jake Alexander has to have a big weekend and some help from 1B Beasley who's bat has been quiet for a 2nd Team performer. LF Johnson looks to be hitting well. What can we expect from the Bishops?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 14, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Without C Clark's bat in the lineup, there will be no protection for 2B Alexander.  Need to get 2B Ciuffetelli, 1B JJ Rodriguez, OF Machin and C Koenrgay's bats back in the lineup and OF J. Johnson has to hit higher than 7th in the lineup for the Bishops to have a chance this weekend.

My best guess is NCWC will send Beasley, Pleasant and Brooks on the mound with Swartout ready to close.  That's very, very solid...just depends if they can hit.   MU got off to a bad start in the Conference last weekend and I expect them to be looking to sweep the Bishops.  In addition, last 2-3 years they have had our number in the regular season and tournament play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 14, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
i'm interested to see what mu does going forward with the pitching staff...ayers has struggled a bit in his 2 starts, going just 8 innings and sporting an early season 6.75 era...he's got the stuff to be better than that, and i expect he will be, but i'm not sure he's a true #1 as his starts to this point would indicate (and i'm not sure the monarchs have a true #1) - inman has been good, giving mu 14 1/3 innings in his two starts and giving up just 4 er (2.51 era)...he's gone 7 and 7.1 innings in his two outings, and he's given the monarchs a chance to win in both - i was surprised to see thigpen start this weekend vs. lagrange (he had a solid 6 inninng outing giving up just 2 er's) - i had heard he was going to pitch some out of the pen this year, but it appears he may be a weekend starter

judge has been terrific in long relief in the early going, with 7 innings over 2 games and giving up just 1 hit...does he get a weekend start, or is he too valuable as a long guy? coach austin loves those long guys that can throw 3 to 5 weekend innnings and get a mid-week start - is that the role judge plays? might ayers and judge flip-flop those roles at some point?

the only ones hitting right so far are chris power (.474, 4 rbi, 5 sb), kirby (.455, 2 rbi, 2 sb) and nalls (.316, 3 rbi) - younger has 6 rbi on the season, but thigpen is still at .200 - when the bats get going, it will take some of the pressure off the pitching, but i like to see that the arms are throwing well early...the defense needs to step up, though...too many errors, even for this early in the season - the monarchs have made 13 errors in 5 games and given up 8 unearned runs...

should be a fun weekend - while i'd like a sweep, i predict a 2-1 mu weekend win, with one of those games being low-scoring and the other being an offensive outburst
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 15, 2013, 07:54:01 AM
I am going to disagree with narch and say MU WILL sweep this weekend.  If Bishops take 1 max, it will be because we kept the score low and won 2-1 or 3-2  NCWC has comitted 12 errors in 6 games...too many!!!  Saturday should be interesting.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 15, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
CNU lost their first game of the year yesterday, falling 11-8 to Randolph Macon. The Captains take on Maryville in Newport News this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 16, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
CNU defeats Maryville in the 1st game of the double header, 15-3. Austin Chrismon has another strong outing on the mound, going 6 innings, striking out 12 and only allowing 2 ER's. Chris McDougal hits his first home run of the year.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 17, 2013, 06:27:17 PM
CNU sweeps Maryville. As expected, CNU's pitching has been amazing thus far. In game 1 today, FR Brandon Taylor went 7 IP, 0 ER's, and 6 K's. In game 2, Bryan Bierlein goes 8 IP, 0 ER's, and 11 K's. Billy Steel goes 5 for 9 on the day, including his 1st HR of the year, while Chris McDougal went 4 for 9.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 18, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
Ok so after a few weeks so far this season trying to determine if we can really tell anything yet. It seems that several teams are really trying to get their feet under them and struggling a little bit during the start of the season. I really don't think Peidmont's record reflects their team but need to see them play more conference games. The conference schedule really seems to have teams beating on each other and making each weekend a tough chore. I think we are seeing a lot of teams having to go with a very young number 3 in a pressure situation and really not knowing what they are going to get. I was surprise to see CNU sweep Ferrum and then to have NCWC take 2 from Methodist. But hey it is early and I think teams will get stronger as the season continues. At the beginning of the season I did not know what to expect from CNU other than good pitching but they have gotten some runs and doing a good job so far, but with a young team and stating to travel know will all that change? I think CNU's biggest problem is their 4 and 5 pitching if they get that straight they could do some big things. So looking forward to seeing what Greensboro can do against CNU as they always play them tough, the LaGrange and NCWC series should be fun to watch as well as the Ferrum vs Methodist series. Hopefully the weather gets better and can enjoy some of this baseball.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on February 18, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
Boy was I wrong this weekend!!!  The Bishops surprised me by taking 2 of 3 from the Monarchs at their house.  I can't even count how many fielding errors Methodist made they seem to come every other inning.  I don't ever remember a Coach Austin team play this bad defensively.  Kudos to NCWC who had stellar starting pitching and timely hitting.

I think if pitching continues to show up, a starting rotation of JR Beasley, SR Swartout and SO Brooks will be extremely hard to beat.  Like to see one of the younger guys step up and be a leader in the bullpen as they will need a closer.
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Post by: rolln2 on February 18, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 15, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
CNU lost their first game of the year yesterday, falling 11-8 to Randolph Macon. The Captains take on Maryville in Newport News this weekend.
Looks like CNU got the ship sailing back in the right direction this weekend. Pitching and hitting were both very strong. I will say that I agree w/ BOS21. If they get the mid-week pitching going like last years. They will be very hard to beat. They do begin their first road swings this week. This like BOS21 said should show us if they are for real. So any predictions for this weekends USAS series? Also LTHSdad I was also a bit surprised w/ NCW taking two from MU.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 18, 2013, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on February 18, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 15, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
CNU lost their first game of the year yesterday, falling 11-8 to Randolph Macon. The Captains take on Maryville in Newport News this weekend.
Looks like CNU got the ship sailing back in the right direction this weekend. Pitching and hitting were both very strong. I will say that I agree w/ BOS21. If they get the mid-week pitching going like last years. They will be very hard to beat. They do begin their first road swings this week. This like BOS21 said should show us if they are for real. So any predictions for this weekends USAS series? Also LTHSdad I was also a bit surprised w/ NCW taking two from MU.

I think CNU will get their mid week guys turned around. Santalucia was undefeated coming into this year in his career (8-0), and that includes winning key games in the conference tournament and regional tournament. I know it's only 2 conference weekends in, but Chrisman, Taylor, and Bierlein look awfully tough to beat. Look at their combined numbers below. Of note, Taylor's start during the 1st conference weekend was his 1st collegiate start ever. Add those starters, with by far the best bullpen in the conference (Fleischman, Verdillo, Lindsey) and you've got a tough team to beat if their young offense can continue to produce.

Chrisman (2-0, 1.38 ERA, 13 IP, 20 K's, 2 ER's)
Taylor (1-0, 4.09 ERA, 11 IP, 11 K's, 5 ER's)
Bierlein (2-0, 0.60 ERA, 15 IP, 21 K's, 1 ER)
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 19, 2013, 09:01:44 AM
PNeal – agree that the weekend pitching is getting it done in a big way and with Taylor getting comfortable this weekend (think he threw 7 shutout innings) that will make it even better for them. I think that CNU will get their weekday starts straight as they really have only had one start and the weather really has not been great so not too worried about starters, but know that you cannot keep working your bullpen that hard during the week. Also of note I was at the CNU vs Ferrum games and will say that the biggest hole for Ferrum right now is their bullpen so really agree with you on the best pen in conference statement.

This weekend series predictions are;

CNU – Greensboro = CNU 2-1 first road test
Methodist – Ferrum = Ferrum 2-1 (maybe a sweep here by Ferrum as they need to get on track)
Maryville – Piedmont = Piedmont 3-0
LaGrange – NCWC = LaGrange 2-1 ( Sorry LTHS not a believer in the pitching just yet)
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Post by: narch on February 19, 2013, 12:56:38 PM
...eh...tough weekend for my boys...gotta stop booting the ball around (9 errors in 3 games), and now they get to go to ferrum...they've gotta find a way to grind out a couple of wins on the road
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Post by: USASfan on February 20, 2013, 09:18:56 AM
NCW played great against rival MU. MU made some errors early and NCW took advantage. NCW combined 26 hits Mu combined 23. Pitching by NCW was outstanding. I believe if there pitchers stay consistant they will be tough to beat. Bullpen is great with FR. Dillion Moore and FR Norzagaray. Hitting wise OF James Johnson is on a 9 game hitting streak batting .424. FR James Lovett was 4 for 4 with 4RBI's. Not to say he is a dominate threat but it seems that anybody in the Line-up can break through for a good day. NCW has most potential i think. Why is SS Jake Alexander hitting 5th? seems like you might want that bat in the top of the line-up like last year. Overall good weekend for my Boys at NCW. they earned those wins. Methodist did not give them those wins regardless of errors. MU couldnt hit Wesleyan Pitching this weekend. Bottom Line
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Post by: narch on February 20, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: USASfan on February 20, 2013, 09:18:56 AMMU couldnt hit Wesleyan Pitching this weekend. Bottom Line
i'm not going to argue the rest of your analysis, because i agree...the monarchs got beat (although with 9 mu errors and 16 walks issued by mu pitching in three games, i think you'd have to agree that mu gave the bishops a good number of opportunities to beat them)

Quote from: USASfan on February 20, 2013, 09:18:56 AM
NCW played great against rival MU. MU made some errors early and NCW took advantage. NCW combined 26 hits Mu combined 23.
for the weekend ncw hit .245 and mu hit .232...i think both pitching staffs did a good job keeping the bat off the ball...the difference is that the bishops hit in key spots (mu didn't) AND the bishop pitching didn't issue free passes (7 walks issued by ncwc pitchers) and their defense didn't boot the ball around when the monarchs did make contact (4 errors in 3 games)...these were significant factors that contributed to the bishops out-scoring mu 16-7, despite only having 3 more hits on the weekend - i never meant to imply that those wins were games that mu "gave" ncwc, because playing defense, hitting in the clutch and not walking guys is part of playing baseball...those are all things the monarchs will have to button up if they want to be competitive going forward
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Post by: rolln2 on February 21, 2013, 09:28:44 AM
CNU had their first road contest of the year. The offense played well, but once again their weekday starter could not get the job done. A 7-7 tie to a 2-5 Hampden-Sydney team should be considered a loss. They really need to pick it up in this area if they want to be a regional contender.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 21, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: rolln2 on February 21, 2013, 09:28:44 AM
CNU had their first road contest of the year. The offense played well, but once again their weekday starter could not get the job done. A 7-7 tie to a 2-5 Hampden-Sydney team should be considered a loss. They really need to pick it up in this area if they want to be a regional contender.

Agreed rolln2. CNU's weekday starters continue to struggle, and it's a good thing their offense and bullpen have come through for them. Despite his number of walks, Emerson is emerging as a strong arm out of the bullpen for CNU. I bet SU wishes they could have kept him. 

Even in my 4 years of playing, I feel like H-SC never starts their games at the right time. Before daylight savings come, why would you start a game at 3pm? That's almost asking for draw/tie at some point. 2pm is a much better start time before the time changes, as it allows for the chance to play a little free baseball before it gets dark.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 21, 2013, 12:52:25 PM
I am in agreement with CNU's current weekday starters the season is not going to be a good one for CNU. They need to do something quick. Emerson has done a great job for them and if he can work on his walks really be good. With Emerson being their go to guy they should start either Verdillo or FLeishman during the week. This would enable them to see if they can do the job and still have Emerson there to call on. It seems to me, and only really seeing from the sats that Fleishman makes the most sense because he is only used in save situation. Just a thought.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 24, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
CNU down 2-1 heading into the 9th. Austin Chrismon has gone 8 IP, only allowing 4 hits and striking out 18 (yes, 18). The 2 Greensboro runs came unearned after a 2 out error by CNU SS Billy Steel allowed the bottom of the 1st to continue, with Michael Parker capitalizing with a single to score 2.
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Post by: Spence on February 24, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 24, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
CNU down 2-1 heading into the 9th. Austin Chrismon has gone 8 IP, only allowing 4 hits and striking out 18 (yes, 18). The 2 Greensboro runs came unearned after a 2 out error by CNU SS Billy Steel allowed the bottom of the 1st to continue, with Michael Parker capitalizing with a single to score 2.

If he would have had a 9th inning to throw, he might well had made the NCAA record book list for most K's in a game. The list starts at 19, the record is 22. The USAS record is 21 by Buddy Hernandez of NC Wesleyan, also against Greensboro.

Terrific performance in a losing cause by what is looking for all the world like an all-American pitcher.
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Post by: narch on February 24, 2013, 09:59:53 PM
2 big wins for the monarchs today...three would be even better
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 07:09:19 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 24, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 24, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
CNU down 2-1 heading into the 9th. Austin Chrismon has gone 8 IP, only allowing 4 hits and striking out 18 (yes, 18). The 2 Greensboro runs came unearned after a 2 out error by CNU SS Billy Steel allowed the bottom of the 1st to continue, with Michael Parker capitalizing with a single to score 2.

If he would have had a 9th inning to throw, he might well had made the NCAA record book list for most K's in a game. The list starts at 19, the record is 22. The USAS record is 21 by Buddy Hernandez of NC Wesleyan, also against Greensboro.

Terrific performance in a losing cause by what is looking for all the world like an all-American pitcher.

Yep, you are right. Chrismon is sure looking like the real deal, and I am glad we signed him to play for us this summer in the Valley League. His overall numbers in only 3 starts are insane, with 21 IP, only allowing 2 ER's and striking out 38. I read the article on CNU's webpage this morning, and as I suspected, the 18 K's is a CNU record, as the previous was 15.
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Post by: Spence on February 25, 2013, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 07:09:19 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 24, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 24, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
CNU down 2-1 heading into the 9th. Austin Chrismon has gone 8 IP, only allowing 4 hits and striking out 18 (yes, 18). The 2 Greensboro runs came unearned after a 2 out error by CNU SS Billy Steel allowed the bottom of the 1st to continue, with Michael Parker capitalizing with a single to score 2.

If he would have had a 9th inning to throw, he might well had made the NCAA record book list for most K's in a game. The list starts at 19, the record is 22. The USAS record is 21 by Buddy Hernandez of NC Wesleyan, also against Greensboro.

Terrific performance in a losing cause by what is looking for all the world like an all-American pitcher.

Yep, you are right. Chrismon is sure looking like the real deal, and I am glad we signed him to play for us this summer in the Valley League. His overall numbers in only 3 starts are insane, with 21 IP, only allowing 2 ER's and striking out 38. I read the article on CNU's webpage this morning, and as I suspected, the 18 K's is a CNU record, as the previous was 15.

I didn't know what the school record was. I just knew that there were 4 USAS players on the NCAA record book list. Hernandez and Sigley K'ed 21 and 19 on back to back days!

Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.
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Post by: LTBB1971 on February 25, 2013, 02:05:23 PM
NCWC splits with La Grange yesterday.  Bishops looked like 2 different teams and are still the same Jekyl and Hyde baseball team of last 3 years.  I have no idea what to expect.  Pitching continues to be tremendous as team ERA is now 3.38.  Team is still struggling to score when number 1 and 2 batters can't get on, which is most of the time.  You cannot have your top 2 batters hitting .243 and .250.

I was really hoping for a good showing today but as I look into the box score, one of our best pitchers this year, SO Hatteras Brooks couldn't even get out of the first inning.  I remember last weekend he pitched a complete game vs MU and looks like today he had nothing...doesn't take a brain surgeon to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that 2 weeks into the season, do you really need to throw a complete game when your team is up 8-1?

Still looking for a comback as LaGrange is up 6-2 in the 4th inning...
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Spence on February 25, 2013, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 07:09:19 AM
Quote from: Spence on February 24, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 24, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
CNU down 2-1 heading into the 9th. Austin Chrismon has gone 8 IP, only allowing 4 hits and striking out 18 (yes, 18). The 2 Greensboro runs came unearned after a 2 out error by CNU SS Billy Steel allowed the bottom of the 1st to continue, with Michael Parker capitalizing with a single to score 2.

If he would have had a 9th inning to throw, he might well had made the NCAA record book list for most K's in a game. The list starts at 19, the record is 22. The USAS record is 21 by Buddy Hernandez of NC Wesleyan, also against Greensboro.

Terrific performance in a losing cause by what is looking for all the world like an all-American pitcher.

Yep, you are right. Chrismon is sure looking like the real deal, and I am glad we signed him to play for us this summer in the Valley League. His overall numbers in only 3 starts are insane, with 21 IP, only allowing 2 ER's and striking out 38. I read the article on CNU's webpage this morning, and as I suspected, the 18 K's is a CNU record, as the previous was 15.

I didn't know what the school record was. I just knew that there were 4 USAS players on the NCAA record book list. Hernandez and Sigley K'ed 21 and 19 on back to back days!

Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.

Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 03:21:00 PM
CNU rebounds with a win in game 2 over Greensboro, 8-2. FR LHP Brandon Taylor goes 7 IP, giving up only 4 hits, 2 unearned runs, and striking out 10.
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2013, 04:23:29 PM


Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.
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Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.
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I saw him pitch vs Ferrum and never got him above 88 on the gun.  I will probably see him pitch one more time this year.  He was 86-87 most of the game.  That is about here he was in HS expect he would ring it up to 90-91 on occasion but mostly sat at 87ish in HS. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2013, 04:23:29 PM


Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.

Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.
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I saw him pitch vs Ferrum and never got him above 88 on the gun.  I will probably see him pitch one more time this year.  He was 86-87 most of the game.  That is about here he was in HS expect he would ring it up to 90-91 on occasion but mostly sat at 87ish in HS.
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Thanks for the info Catfish. What are your thoughts on his offspeed stuff? He's coming to throw for us this summer, and as you know, a fastball alone (especially 88) won't get it done in the VBL without other plus pitches. Also, have you seen Alex Tucci throw from VWC at all?
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Post by: narch on February 25, 2013, 06:16:36 PM
fc nips mu 3-2 with a run in the bottom of the 9th...good pitching performance from aaron o'neill, going 6 and giving up just one first inning run - the monarchs allowed an unearned run in the 7th, mu scored 2 in the 8th before fc pushed across the game winner in the 9th - mu has games scheduled for tomorrow (immaculata) and wednesday (hsc), so it's a busy week
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Post by: Spence on February 26, 2013, 01:22:51 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2013, 04:23:29 PM


Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.

Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.
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I saw him pitch vs Ferrum and never got him above 88 on the gun.  I will probably see him pitch one more time this year.  He was 86-87 most of the game.  That is about here he was in HS expect he would ring it up to 90-91 on occasion but mostly sat at 87ish in HS.
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Perfect Game's site had him at 91 in high school. Maybe your gun is slow, or maybe being early season he wasn't throwing as hard as he can. He's been pretty effective though, to say the least.
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Post by: USASfan on February 26, 2013, 09:06:39 AM
Bishops Lose series 1-2. The Rubber match saw Hatteras Brooks only record two outs. OF Williams goes 3-4 but other than that no help. JR Rhyne JR Carrol and FR Moore shut the door after the first inning. I look for the bishops to bounce back next weekend. I like the pitching and and they have some good bats. Love to see them play a complete game. Lynchburg on Wednesday and Piedmont this weekend.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 26, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
Ok start this off with a couple of things about CNU and Chrismon
1.   Spence Catfish's gun is more accurate than your statement. He is one of the best sources of info about players on this site
2.   PNeal I think signing him to your summer ball team will work out in your favor.
Anyways I have gotten to see him pitch twice now, once against Ferrum for a few innings and he look pretty good. Then Sunday against Greensboro where he look better. Velocity was good (not great but still early) and breaking ball was nice – good plus pitch. If not for a bad hope to the SS and a ball that hit the bag at second he would have won the game 1 – 0 as he was never really in any other trouble. Now I have seen parts of 2 games and have not gotten to see Verdillo or Fleishman so anyone know how they are throwing? Also watch the Robbett kid pitch for Greensboro. Good velocity but needs to keep working on control as I think that is the only real reason he is not a starter for them. If he works his control he could be a difference maker for Greensboro.
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Post by: Spence on February 26, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on February 26, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
Ok start this off with a couple of things about CNU and Chrismon
1.   Spence Catfish's gun is more accurate than your statement. He is one of the best sources of info about players on this site

Is there really a need to try to start a fight already? There was no need for this.

He posted one thing, I posted another. You know, both could be right. Stop trying to pick a fight.

Edit to add: Verdillo and Fleischmann threw a shutout inning each in the game Chrismon started and went 7 shutout innings against Ferrum. Looks from the numbers like they're doing fine, as is Adam Emerson.
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Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 26, 2013, 05:56:43 PM
Spence - Sorry was not trying to pick a fight was trying to be funny. I am sorry and did not mean anything by my remark.

And yes Emerson has been a very good pickup for CNU.
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 26, 2013, 06:59:31 PM
I agree Boysofsummer21. In no way trying to start an argument, but Catfish is a great source of accurate info. I suspect once the weather warms up and Chrismon gets a few more starts under his belt we will see his velocity increase. From what I hear, none of his three starts have been in weather a pitcher would like to throw in.

Emerson has been a great pick up for CNU. Clearly 10 BB on 10 IP is awful, but it doesn't seem to be hurting him as his ERA is still low due to opposing players are hitting .108 against him. Weaver has also been a great pickup, currently leading CNU in hitting (.383) and tied for RBI's (14).

On another note, does anyone know much about Averett? They seem to be off to a hot start, and Andrew Kirks seems to be putting up POY number early in the season (.380 BA, 1 HR, 9 RBI's, 7 2B's, 1-0 in 3 starts, 21 IP, 0 ER's, 0.00 ERA). I'm curious as to if they are legit, and if Kirks is as well. From my playing days a few years back, Averett would always finish with a decent number of wins (I think one year they were even over 30) but it was usually due to extremely weak non-conference games. The year they finished with over 30 wins they didn't get a sniff at regionals due to the weak schedule. Jason Carter is also hitting over .500 (45 AB's, 23 hits) for Averett. Any info anyone has would be great.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on February 26, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 26, 2013, 06:59:31 PM
I agree Boysofsummer21. In no way trying to start an argument, but Catfish is a great source of accurate info. I suspect once the weather warms up and Chrismon gets a few more starts under his belt we will see his velocity increase. From what I hear, none of his three starts have been in weather a pitcher would like to throw in.

I just remember boysofsummer going down this road before...and he and I have some history in that regard.
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Post by: rolln2 on February 26, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
Boy speaking of the CNU pitching staff.  I looked up the weekend starters combined numbers and it goes like this.  61IP 44h 11er 15 bb 86 so and about a .200 batting avg. against.  Not shabby.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 26, 2013, 08:21:10 PM
I am waiting about a week and a half as Averett is just now getting into their schedule. Their overall hitting numbers look good but their conference numbers are not so hot ( BA .226
OBP .300 SLG .283) So if their pitching keeps up the good work and they can win a few more then I think they are one of the big surprise this year. They do have Ferrum this weekend (another one of the big surprises this year in the wrong way) and then Lynchburg. So we will see.
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Post by: narch on February 26, 2013, 10:42:38 PM
mu gets a 6-3 win over immaculata - barger throws a nice game, going 5, giving up 4 hits, 1 er and striking out 6 - kirby goes 4-5 with 2 rbi's and a run scored - hsc up next
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Post by: Catfishncwc on February 27, 2013, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on February 25, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2013, 04:23:29 PM


Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.

Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.

I saw him pitch vs Ferrum and never got him above 88 on the gun.  I will probably see him pitch one more time this year.  He was 86-87 most of the game.  That is about here he was in HS expect he would ring it up to 90-91 on occasion but mostly sat at 87ish in HS.
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Thanks for the info Catfish. What are your thoughts on his offspeed stuff? He's coming to throw for us this summer, and as you know, a fastball alone (especially 88) won't get it done in the VBL without other plus pitches. Also, have you seen Alex Tucci throw from VWC at all?
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His offspeed stuff was decent.  It was the 1st game of the year and cold so I will not judge him to harsh on that day. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on February 27, 2013, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: Spence on February 26, 2013, 01:22:51 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2013, 04:23:29 PM


Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.

Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.

I saw him pitch vs Ferrum and never got him above 88 on the gun.  I will probably see him pitch one more time this year.  He was 86-87 most of the game.  That is about here he was in HS expect he would ring it up to 90-91 on occasion but mostly sat at 87ish in HS.
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Perfect Game's site had him at 91 in high school. Maybe your gun is slow, or maybe being early season he wasn't throwing as hard as he can. He's been pretty effective though, to say the least.
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Their were about 5 guns on him on that day and nobody got anything above 88.  In HS I had around 90. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 27, 2013, 12:48:56 PM
Catfish - Thanks for the info, I did see him against Ferrum and then Greensboro and to the naked eye his velocity did look better but not sure if that is really because you are so much closer to the field and his control was better.

On another note you would not happen to know how Chris Perry is doing would you?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2013, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on February 27, 2013, 12:48:56 PM
On another note you would not happen to know how Chris Perry is doing would you?
perry didn't pitch at all last year due to a back injury and minor league players are not in camp yet, from what i understand
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 27, 2013, 02:30:34 PM
Narch - Thanks for the update, if you hear anything lets us know please.

What are your thoughts about this weekend?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on February 27, 2013, 02:30:34 PM
Narch - Thanks for the update, if you hear anything lets us know please.

What are your thoughts about this weekend?
i think mu better play better than they did tonight, or they'll get swept...

hsc beats the monarchs 8-6 for their second ever win (in 22 games) over the monarchs...wow
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on February 28, 2013, 12:40:29 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 27, 2013, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: Spence on February 26, 2013, 01:22:51 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on February 25, 2013, 04:23:29 PM


Any idea what his fastball velocity is these days? I know in high school was sitting around 90 and was drafted out of high school.

Spence - From what I've heard (as I have not seen him throw in person) is that he sits 90-92 consistently and can run it up to 94. I've also heard is offspeed stuff is a plus pitch for him.

I saw him pitch vs Ferrum and never got him above 88 on the gun.  I will probably see him pitch one more time this year.  He was 86-87 most of the game.  That is about here he was in HS expect he would ring it up to 90-91 on occasion but mostly sat at 87ish in HS.

Perfect Game's site had him at 91 in high school. Maybe your gun is slow, or maybe being early season he wasn't throwing as hard as he can. He's been pretty effective though, to say the least.
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Their were about 5 guns on him on that day and nobody got anything above 88.  In HS I had around 90.
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Fair enough. Maybe chalk it up to the unseasonable cold for baseball in that part of the world. Does that mean he gets better? That would be a little scary haha.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 28, 2013, 08:48:22 AM
NCWC lost at home to Lynchburg 3-1.  Again, I can't say enough about the Bishops pitching...stellar would be a good word as team ERA now drops to 3.06

20 errors in 13 games continues to concern me as well as hitting.  With weekend series vs Piedmont College (7-6) coming up this weekend, Bishops will need to find some offense.

Team BA - .252
Runs p/ game - 3.4
runner on base - .239
bases loaded - .150
RISP - .233
2 outs - .198

The encouraging news is 1B J.J. Rodriguez (.333), OF J. DiSanto (.279), OF S. Machin (.231) are heating up of late and may be ready to contribute.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on February 28, 2013, 01:25:45 PM
Ok so after last weekend where I got 2 out 4 series right here are my perdictions for this weekend.

Ferrum VS Averett = Ferrum 2-1
Methodist VS CNU = CNU 3-0
NCWC VS Piedmont = Piedmont 2-1
Greensboro VS Lagrange = Greensboro 3-0

Took a step out a little bit with Ferrum but figure they have to get on track and this series features the best conference BA (Ferrum as Averett's Conference BA is not good) VS 2nd best ERA. I do think that LaGrange could win 1 vs Greensboro but they did a good job for the most part against CNU so giving them the big MOE on this pick. If Piedmont can sweep NCWC this weekend it will really help them position themselves for the conference but going up against a improving pitching staff that has done a good job in conference. I beleive they are better than their record.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 01, 2013, 12:56:41 PM
LTHS, what is the deal with Tyler Clark not playing for NCWC; is he injured or what?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 02, 2013, 03:40:42 PM
CNU tops Methodist 4-2 in Game 1. Of note, Ryan Fleischman for CNU ties the USAS record for career saves, with his 22nd save of his career. Austin Chrismon improves to 3-1, going 7 IP, allowing 7 hits, 2 ER's, and striking out 7.

Currently game 2 is in the bottom of the 6th, with CNU up 3-2. Another strong start for LHP Brandon Taylor, who so far has 6 IP, 2 ER's, and 7 K's.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 03, 2013, 04:07:06 PM
CNU completes the sweep of MU with a 10-2 victory this afternoon. Bryan Bierlein goes 8 IP, allowing 2 ER's and striking out 8, while walking none. I hate to keep 'singing the same song,' but the numbers of CNU's weekend starters (listed below) is unbelievable. When you add in the bullpen with Fleischman, Verdillo, Lindsey, and Emerson (the highest ERA of the 4 is Verdillo at 1.86) they have had spectatular pitching in conference. Team in-conference ERA is currently at 1.70.

Chrismon: 3-1, 1.29 ERA, 28 IP, 23 Hits, 4 ER's, 45 K's, 4 BB's, .213 BAA
Taylor: 3-0, 2.52 ERA, 25 IP, 19 Hits, 7 ERs, 28 K's, 8 BB's, .216 BAA
Bierlein: 4-0, 1.80 ERA, 30 IP, 19 Hits, 6 ER's, 35 K's, 4 BB's, .171 BAA

On another note, it looks like Averett kept pace with a sweep of Ferrum this weekend. Averett's team ERA moves to 1.94 on the year (in-conference and out of conference).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
tough weekend....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 04, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
Wheeling,
from what I have heard Clark has Mono and will redshirt.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: WHEELIN WES on March 05, 2013, 11:27:43 AM
LTHS,  how is your son doing now?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 07, 2013, 10:56:44 AM
Wheelin,
He's doing good.  Put up the cleats and gloves, although I thought it was too soon...he didn't even tap into his potential at NCWC due to lack of coaching.  Currently using his degree in Exercise Science to work in physical therapy. 

On the other hand, his teammate, RF Pat Laffin is now going to Sweden to play in the Elite league, so I keep in touch with his dad.  Good to see it worked out for him.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 07, 2013, 01:15:23 PM
rmc defeated mu 5-2 on tuesday...it was the first time in the history of mu baseball that they've lost to rmc - i'm sure goldglove (long-time readers/posters will remember that handle) thought about coming out of retirement to post after that historic win :)

mu has now lost to hsc for the second time in history and rmc for the first time in history...unless things get turned around quickly for the monarchs, this could become a historically bad season

i'm hoping that they can get things turned around against a bunch of former monarchs vs piedmont this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 09, 2013, 06:22:08 AM
CNU loses game 1 to LaGrange, falling 3-1. Austin Chrismon goes the distance, allowing 3 ER's and striking out 8, but the offense couldn't get anything going as they only had 5 hits.

LaGrange has a live video stream, which is very nice to watch; however, it would be even better if they had an announcer. I turned the game on late and spent most of the game trying to figure out the score.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 10, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
CNU rebounds to take game two over LaGrange, winning 10-4. FR LHP Taylor improves to 4-0, going 6 IP, striking out 8 while allowing 1 ER. CNU's 2-5 hitters combine to go 10 for 18 with 6 RBI's. Justin Weaver improves his league leading RBI total to 22, while Preston Grissom steals his 13 base of the season (13/14 on the year).

In other action, it looks like NCWC has won two big games so far this weekend, taking two from Averitt so far.

Any early season favorites for Player and Pitcher of the Year? After today we wil be 15 games into the conference season. I would assume Pitcher of the Year would be a 'CNU' battle as Chrismon, Bierlein, and Taylor could all have solid arguments. It also looks like Swartout (NCWC), Kirks (AU), and Scherer (LaGrange) have all thrown it extremely well as well. For player of the year, I would think the following all are in the mix: Justin Weaver (CNU), Logan Pethel (Piedmont), and Nick Dean (Maryville). If Ferrum wasn't 3-11 in conference, I would throw Wes Walker into the mix as well. Most of my thoughts are strictly based on overall and in-conference stats, and as unfortunately I don't get much of a chance to see if any of these guys pass 'the eye test.' Anyone who has seen a lot of these teams play want to weigh in?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 11, 2013, 02:24:56 PM
Pneal,
Swartout is a BEAST!  I had him gunned at 91 MPH in one of his innings last year during our Myrtle Beach trip on Spring break.  He usually sits 87-88 though.  He has actually pitched much better this year but Bishops are having issues scoring with an inconsistent offense.  Another one that looks like had a chance was NCWC's Hatteras Brooks.  He was the USAS POW a few weeks back when he threw a complete game vs Methodist.  After that game, he's had nothing left in the tank which I think is tied up to pitching 9 innings 2 weeks into the season (poor judgement).  I seen that happen to one of our pitchers a few years back when kid threw 144 pitches vs CNU and was much less effective thereafter.

My prediction for the Bishops was 12 wins this year, and I do not want to speak too soon but at 9-14 I think they may break that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on March 11, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Would you throw NCW SS Jake Alexander in the Mix for POY. If Swartout keeps throwing like he has I see him winning Pitcher Of The year. As for POY. Many possibilities right now. Anyone care to weigh in?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 11, 2013, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: USASfan on March 11, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Would you throw NCW SS Jake Alexander in the Mix for POY. If Swartout keeps throwing like he has I see him winning Pitcher Of The year. As for POY. Many possibilities right now. Anyone care to weigh in?

Swartout may be a beast, but I wouldn't see him getting it over one of the CNU aces, particularly Chrismon, if both teams maintain a similar record as they do now. In about the same number of innings pitcher, Chrismon and Swartout both are 3-2 (which clearly shows neither of their offenses have helped them, because both ERA's are microscopic), but Chrismon has a slightly lower BAA and 28 more strikeouts (53 K's in 36 IP's vs 25 K's in 35 IP). Quite frankly, I think Bryan Bielein from CNU may be ahead of both of them. His BAA is .169 (Chrismon and Swartout are both around .225), he has a better record (4-1), and he has K'd 42 in 37 IP. I would guess the 4 frontrunners are Chrismon, Bierlien, Swartout, and Scherer. Below are their overall numbers: (I'll also add FR LHP Taylor from CNU, as he is putting up numbers that are 'worthy of consideration').

Chrismon (CNU):       3-2, 1.75 ERA, 36 IP, 6 BB's, 53 K's, .225 BAA
Bierlien (CNU):          4-1, 1.95 ERA, 37 IP, 6 BB's, 42 K's, .169 BAA
Swartout (NCWC):     3-2, 1.53 ERA, 35.1 IP, 9 BB's, 25 K's, .230 BAA
Scherer (LaGrange):  4-1, 1.50 ERA, 36 IP, 5 BB's, 38 K's, .266 BAA
Taylor (CNU):            4-0, 2.32 ERA, 31 IP, 11 BB's, 36 K's, .232 BAA

Kirks (Averett) has also put up very good numbers, but unfortunately his offense hasn't helped him either, as he is only 1-1.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on March 11, 2013, 10:18:10 PM
Scherer is definitely a good candidate. He is tough to beat. And I can see Chrissmon or Bierlien winning it as CNU is nationally ranked and they do have much better record that others in the Conference. Pitchers may have good starts but if there offense can't win ball games then they are not recording wins. What about Player of the year. Any thought? And Any word on Shendenah after making switch to ODAC
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 12, 2013, 07:42:46 AM
Only CNU game I've seen this year was the CNU-VWC 10 inning game but I wasn't impressed by any of their pitchers that game (SO A. Emerson started).  I think Chrismon or Bierlein will get it as CNU is nationally ranked and they both have pitched excellent.

For POY, my candidates would be N. Dean (Maryville), J. Weaver (CNU), or J. Bailey (Piedmont).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 12, 2013, 08:11:14 AM
I agree with you both, as I see a CNU pitcher getting it due to their record and ranking (besides for the fact Chrismon or Bierlien are both very deserving).

As far as Player of the Year, I also agree with you. I would say it's between Weaver (CNU), Dean (Maryville), Pethel (Piedmont), Bailey (Piedmont), and maybe Walker (Ferrum); although I see Ferrum's record hurting Walker's chances. If CNU and Piedmont continue to stay at the top of the pack, I would guess it comes down to Weaver, Pethel, or Bailey.

I will say, though, it is weird looking at these numbers and see how pitching dominates the game now. I remember the days when Brett Thomas (Ferrum) and Jess Maloney (Greensboro) would absolutely destroy baseball, and hit 10+ HR's a year. I remember seeing first hand both of them hit a ball about 400 + off of Kenny Moreland (sorry KMO if you read this still). I do know the bat change has a lot to do with it, but I have a hard time believing Thomas/Maloney wouldn't still destroy balls with the new bats.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 12, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
Best power team I've seen in recent history was the 2009 Bishops.  They hit 39 HR's and 127 XBH as a team, highlighted by:

3B Z. Woodlief  - 9 HRs
C - Justin Batts - 7 HRs
LF - Luke Williford - 5 HRs
SS - Justin Rahm - 5 HRs

This team was capable of hitting them out of the park any time, anywhere.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 12, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 12, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
Best power team I've seen in recent history was the 2009 Bishops.  They hit 39 HR's and 127 XBH as a team, highlighted by:

3B Z. Woodlief  - 9 HRs
C - Justin Batts - 7 HRs
LF - Luke Williford - 5 HRs
SS - Justin Rahm - 5 HRs

This team was capable of hitting them out of the park any time, anywhere.

I played against that team, and you are right, they could hit it out often. That same year CNU's team hit 36 HR's, with Bailey and Despins leading the charge with 9. I also think the CNU team of 2011 would rank up there, as they hit 40 HR's as a team. Only 1 starter in the lineup did not hit a HR, and that was Shannon Mark. All other 8 offensive starters had 2 or more. 

Madden - 8 HR's
Shoemaker - 8 HR's
Saunders - 6 HR's
Keener - 5 HR's
Steel & Lenda - 4 HR's/each

Greensboro when the had Maloney and the other guy (played OF and 3B; can't remember his name) had a lot of pop back to back. Shenandoah has also had some amazing lineups, as you had Brashears, Henry, Van Sickler, Nelson, and Van Dusseldorf all close to each other in the lineup.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 12, 2013, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 12, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
Best power team I've seen in recent history was the 2009 Bishops.  They hit 39 HR's and 127 XBH as a team, highlighted by:

3B Z. Woodlief  - 9 HRs
C - Justin Batts - 7 HRs
LF - Luke Williford - 5 HRs
SS - Justin Rahm - 5 HRs

This team was capable of hitting them out of the park any time, anywhere.


The SU Hornets (38-10) for 2009-2010 hit 51HR's, 130 2B's and 14 3B's:

14 - Kevin Brashears
13 - Scot VanDusseldorp
9 - Cory Nelson
5 - Greg VanSickler
5 - Jesse Henry
2 - Mike Smith
2 - Keaton Neeb

(37-7) for 2010-2011 hit 48HR's, 108 2B's and 9 3B's:

11 - Clint DeHaven
7 - Greg VanSickler
7 - Cory Nelson
6 - Keaton Neeb
5 - Kevin Brashears
4 - Kurt Krout
4 - Joey Donofrio


(31-13) for 2011-2012 hit 37HR's, 102 2B's and 11 3B's:

9 - Joey Donofrio
6 - Jake Pendergraft
6 - Cory Nelson
5 - Tucker Brown
3 - Corbin Lucas
2 - Nick Beall
2 - Dan Powers
2 - Greg Beran
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 12, 2013, 07:03:46 PM
Shenandoah did has some very good lineups, and they sure beat up on us several times; however, I still firmly believe you have to take their stats with a grain of salt due to the cracker jack box they play in and the quality of several teams they used to play. I will say, though, that in my 4 years at CNU the best lineup that we faced (at least in my opinion) was either the 2010 Hornets lineup or the 2007 NCWC lineup. The NCWC lineup had Matt Smith (whom I still believe may have been one of the best players I ever played against in college, and by far the biggest competitor I've ever seen), Pecora, Wooten, etc.

One of my all time favorite stories was when we played NCWC in the championship game of the tournament in 2008. We had to double dip NCWC, and somehow we won the first game, which let us bring back Kenny Moreland in the 2nd game. Matt Smith was first up for NCWC in game 2, and after popping up to SS we heard him yell louder than I've ever heard someone and bash his helmet off of the locker room in Burlington. I talked to him after the game, and when I asked why he was so upset about his first at-bat his response was "I wasn't upset about the at bat. I was upset because I realized Kenny was on and that we were screwed." Smith and Moreland sure had some good battles.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 12, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
I am just going to throw this out there as the old guy having played a time long ago but the NCWC 99 team had one helluva lineup for it being the "weakness"of our team behind our pitching staff and defense.

1999 NCWC Bishops 42-9 hit 37 Hr's 132 Doubles. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 12, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 12, 2013, 08:11:14 AM
I agree with you both, as I see a CNU pitcher getting it due to their record and ranking (besides for the fact Chrismon or Bierlien are both very deserving).

As far as Player of the Year, I also agree with you. I would say it's between Weaver (CNU), Dean (Maryville), Pethel (Piedmont), Bailey (Piedmont), and maybe Walker (Ferrum); although I see Ferrum's record hurting Walker's chances. If CNU and Piedmont continue to stay at the top of the pack, I would guess it comes down to Weaver, Pethel, or Bailey.

I will say, though, it is weird looking at these numbers and see how pitching dominates the game now. I remember the days when Brett Thomas (Ferrum) and Jess Maloney (Greensboro) would absolutely destroy baseball, and hit 10+ HR's a year. I remember seeing first hand both of them hit a ball about 400 + off of Kenny Moreland (sorry KMO if you read this still). I do know the bat change has a lot to do with it, but I have a hard time believing Thomas/Maloney wouldn't still destroy balls with the new bats.
Pneal7 I know the bats something to do with it but the pitching this year in the ODAC and USA South has been better in the games I have seen this year as compared to the last few years.  Guys are throwing a bit harder and a bit better. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 12, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Brett Thomas was just a terrific baseball player all around. I actually thought his future was in pitching when I saw him in high school. He threw upper 80s despite far less than optimal mechanics. I really think he had low 90s in him with good mechanics. Was pretty surprised that he ended up being a hitter only.

Thomas would still likely be one of the best hitters in the country with the BBCOR bats, but the numbers wouldn't be the same.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 12, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
I have to agree with PNeal7.  Shenandoah plays at a rec league ballpark with OF dimensions a joke.  At NCWC, you earned the HR's you hit.  No cheap ones.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 13, 2013, 08:13:10 AM
Catfish - I agree completely with your statement. From what I've seen/read, it seems like the pitching is much better all around. It used to be that very rarely did a team face a true 'ace' for both games (or all three games) on the weekends; however, now it seems like most teams have at least 2 very sold arms, if not three.

LTHSdad - You are correct, HR's are earned at NCWC. I remember in 2009 Chris Despins hit an absolute moonshot to dead center in the Top of the 9th (we were down 1, had faced Ben Moore that game), and with the wind blowing in the CF managed to catch it on the warning track. Our entire dugout had already starting walking to home to congratulate Despins, and Despins had even 'pimped' it a bit. Off the bat I would have bet my life savings that ball was going 420+.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 13, 2013, 02:39:42 PM
Center field at NCWC was a dead zone, you could get some down the lines but Center field is a complete dead zone.  I also think it was a bit further than the posted distance if you ask me.  Also the big windscreen did not help either. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 14, 2013, 07:35:11 AM
#4 CNU loses at #6 Salisbury. I've always thought Salisbury has one of the best 'home field advantages' around with that turf infield (and it's the old, terrible turf; not the nice, new stuff). CNU had 2 errors on the day, and starter Adam Emerson walked 4 and gave up 3 hits in 3 innings of work.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 14, 2013, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 14, 2013, 07:35:11 AM
#4 CNU loses at #6 Salisbury. I've always thought Salisbury has one of the best 'home field advantages' around with that turf infield (and it's the old, terrible turf; not the nice, new stuff). CNU had 2 errors on the day, and starter Adam Emerson walked 4 and gave up 3 hits in 3 innings of work.
It was old and not nice when I played back in the late 90's.  I can only imagine how it plays now. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 14, 2013, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 14, 2013, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 14, 2013, 07:35:11 AM
#4 CNU loses at #6 Salisbury. I've always thought Salisbury has one of the best 'home field advantages' around with that turf infield (and it's the old, terrible turf; not the nice, new stuff). CNU had 2 errors on the day, and starter Adam Emerson walked 4 and gave up 3 hits in 3 innings of work.
It was old not nice when I back back in the late 90's.  I can only imagine how it plays now.

It's awful. In 2010, we made 8 errors at Salisbury. Luke Saunders (3B) had 4, I had 3 playing at SS, and Connor Madden in LF had 1. Granted, certainly not all of those were due to the field, but it sure is an advantage for them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 14, 2013, 12:41:36 PM
Loss yesterday 4-3 for NCWC facing Stevenson U.  Not much of a home field advantage for the Bishops this year as they drop to 5-9 at home.  Infield was terrible with 4 errors (only 2 ER for Pitchers).

Offense as usual was sporatic.  We need to get some offense out of the OFs who are hitting LF (.194),  CF (.274) and RF (.237).  Taking 2 of 3 from Maryville this weekend would help.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 15, 2013, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 14, 2013, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 14, 2013, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on March 14, 2013, 07:35:11 AM
#4 CNU loses at #6 Salisbury. I've always thought Salisbury has one of the best 'home field advantages' around with that turf infield (and it's the old, terrible turf; not the nice, new stuff). CNU had 2 errors on the day, and starter Adam Emerson walked 4 and gave up 3 hits in 3 innings of work.
It was old not nice when I back back in the late 90's.  I can only imagine how it plays now.

It's awful. In 2010, we made 8 errors at Salisbury. Luke Saunders (3B) had 4, I had 3 playing at SS, and Connor Madden in LF had 1. Granted, certainly not all of those were due to the field, but it sure is an advantage for them.

Marietta went there once (I think 2006?) in March and played on that surface in windy, rain, near snow conditions. That trip has not been repeated and I don't expect it will be.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 15, 2013, 10:23:15 PM
mu gets HAMMERED by huntingdon, 16-3...5 errors and 7 unearned runs for the monarchs - tough
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 16, 2013, 07:21:28 AM
CNU tops Piedmont 8-4 in Game 1. Chrismon goes 7 IP, giving up 5 hits and 2 ER's, while fanning 5, improving his record to 4-2. Billy Steel goes 2 for 2 with 3 RBI on the day, including a 2 Run HR, while Justin Weaver 3 for 5 with 2 RBI, improving his league leading total to 25. A guy who hasn't been mentioned much, but is having a fantastic season, is Preston Grissom. The SO CF is hitting .373 (.364 in conference) and has swiped 15 bases (17 total attempts).

Pethel and Bailey for Piedmont combine to go 0 for 7.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 16, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
CNU takes game 2 from Piedmont, winning 7-1. FR LHP Brandon Taylor improves to 5-0, going 7 IP, allowing 1 ER and striking out 5. Weaver and Houston did the damage offensively, combining for 5 RBI.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
6-1 loss, 4 errors...starting to seem like groundhog day...there has never been a season like this for mu baseball
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on March 16, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
Quote from: narch on March 16, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
6-1 loss, 4 errors...starting to seem like groundhog day...there has never been a season like this for mu baseball

Maybe, but I'm starting to wonder just how good Huntingdon is, and by extension Millsaps since they beat Huntingdon twice.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 18, 2013, 10:45:43 AM
NCWC takes 2 of 3 from Maryville this weekend to hold on to 4th place in Conference.  Solid pitching has gotten it done for the Bishops so far with weekend starters JR W. Beasley (2.93), SR J. Swartout (2.01) and SO H. Brooks (2.86) continuing to dominate opposing batters.  We need mid-week starters to pick up the pace to improve on record (11-16).

Offensively, Coach long has found a new 2B this week in FR C. Norzagaray (.348, 5 BB) although 3B seems like a rotating carousel until someone gets hot.

Up next is weekend series vs Greensboro College.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on March 18, 2013, 01:35:13 PM
NCW takes 2 of 3 from Maryville. Bishops pitching was solid.
JR Beasley 43IP 36Ks 2.93 ERA. SR Swartout 40IP 9ER 2.01ERA
SO Brooks 34.2IP 2.86ERA

Offensively for NCW
SR Jake Alexander leads the Bishops with a .379 BA (36-95) .482 OBP 16RBI (under peoples radar)
FR Ciro Norzagaray .348 but only has 23ABs.
FR Justin Disanto .280BA .469 OBP 23 BB
FR James Lovett .333BA 54 at-bats only and 11RBI
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 19, 2013, 11:11:33 AM
USASfan,
really starting to wonder with Lovett playing so well, what happens to Tyler Clark next year?  Does he switch over to 3B or does Lovett switch positions?
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Post by: Catfishncwc on March 19, 2013, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 19, 2013, 11:11:33 AM
USASfan,
really starting to wonder with Lovett playing so well, what happens to Tyler Clark next year?  Does he switch over to 3B or does Lovett switch positions?
those are always good problems to have as a team. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on March 19, 2013, 03:51:46 PM
LTHS,
Lovett changes positions. Lovett does not have the defense like Clark. Lovett does not have an arm like Clark either.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 23, 2013, 08:09:10 AM
i know it's just m'ville, but 2 wins for MU last night feels good...hoping they'll get out the broom and get a conference sweep...that would be really nice
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 23, 2013, 10:35:41 PM
CNU takes 2 of 3 from AU. All three starters through the ball fantastic, as unfortunately Taylor gets his first loss of the season despite going 8IP and only allowing 1 ER.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 24, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Bishops sweep Greensboro this weekend to move into a tie for 2nd place.  Now if we can just win a few games during the week also.  Tournament is starting to look like a fun week the way the standings look right now. 

Chris. Newport    16-5    20-7-1
Piedmont    11-7    14-12
N.C. Wesleyan    11-7    14-17
Averett    10-8    20-11
LaGrange    9-9    11-13
Methodist    8-10    1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 25, 2013, 09:26:19 AM
Catfish,
Tuesday should be interesting vs D2 St. Andrews...I'm assuming Jackson Pleasant will be one of the 2 SP's for the DH. 

NCWC's SP are "dealing"!  Great sweep over Greensboro and much needed to get some breathing room in USAS.  I really think Coach Long has found the hitting lineup that is going to work for this team.  Bishops are getting on a roll now and I can't wait for the CNU series to see how our pitching fares vs CNU's bats.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 25, 2013, 09:26:19 AM
Catfish,
Tuesday should be interesting vs D2 St. Andrews...I'm assuming Jackson Pleasant will be one of the 2 SP's for the DH. 

NCWC's SP are "dealing"!  Great sweep over Greensboro and much needed to get some breathing room in USAS.  I really think Coach Long has found the hitting lineup that is going to work for this team.  Bishops are getting on a roll now and I can't wait for the CNU series to see how our pitching fares vs CNU's bats.
LTHSdad, I don't think the CNU series will be about any bats as they don't seem to be very offensive. I think the CNU/NCW series will be much more like the CNU/AU series.  Which was totally dominated by the arms. If the pitching stays true then one timely hit or one untimely error may win a game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 25, 2013, 09:40:04 PM
Got to see some games this weekend so took in the Methodist vs Maryville game and then the Averett vs CNU doubleheader. And let me tell you there is life in Methodist so everyone better not over look them at conference tourney. AU and CNU was a pitching duel for the first games and AU got the break at the end and took it and won. Then CNU got back to do what it should do for game 2. If CNU can work to get everyone onboard with the team concept they can be dangerous to any level, but right now when you hear the players talk they are more concerned about their stats not the one team stat that matters. So still young but the talent is there. AU has a very solid squad and defensively they are very good most of the time so I think they are going to be in it till the end. I am not totally sold on the pitching yet, they are good but after the starters things really can be interesting because they are mostly breaking ball stuff. Hopefully this weekend I will be able to take in one game.

Now looking to watch the final 2 weekend's stats as it getting to the player of the year award season.
My watch list for this right now is;
Front runners
Weaver CNU
Alexander NCWC
Like these two right now as their numbers in and out of conference are very close and they are doing a good job of getting it done at the plate.
My current dark horses are Dean – Maryville and Steele – CNU. Both of these guys are doing well in total but really need to pick up the in conference numbers.

Pitcher of the year right now is a tough one but have it to 4.
Chrismon – CNU
Bierlein – CNU
Swartout – NCWC
Fleishman – CNU
Ok Ok I know Fleishman will never get it but have you seen the numbers he is putting up? Setting new records for USA South and in top 10 for like 3 NCAA D3 records.
So with that said I will say I like CNU's over Swartout, as he is a little low on strike outs, and that is my big problem with all the Averett pitchers except Moore. So this is my list right now, can and probably will change next week.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 26, 2013, 08:46:41 AM
With 2/3 of the year played, my inputs so far for the awards would be:

Player of The Year - Justin Weaver (CNU)...Ferrum's Wes Walker should come into the conversation (1st in HR's, 1st in RBI's, 2nd in SLUG)...poor team record.

Pitcher of The Year - Austin Chrismon (CNU)...with Brian Bierlein (CNU) a very close 2nd.

Rookie of The Year - Justin DiSanto (NCWC)...2nd best OBP in the Conference as a FR.  I thought of Jacob Houston (CNU) as well.

Rookie Pitcher of The Year - Brandon Taylor (CNU)...Jake Perkins (Ferrum) was a distant second in my mind.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 26, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
I agree with LTHSdad's picks. Walker should be in the discussion, but a poor record will hurt him. I like Weaver and Chrismon to win the major awards. For rookie's of the year, I know Houston and Taylor (CNU) have had solid years, but I am not up to date on any other FR in the conference. Given my allegiance, it would be cool to see a CNU sweep of the major awards, but I don't really see that happening.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 26, 2013, 09:34:04 AM
LTHS and PNeal agree with your picks 100% and the only reason I have stayed away from Welker is that right now Ferrum is the odds on favorite to miss the tournament and I do not see the POY coming from a team that is not there. I think he should be in the conversation but if Ferrum does not sweep this weekend I do not see him getting any votes.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 26, 2013, 11:07:41 PM
MU gets a road win with 12runs in the last 2 innings and has a modest 5 game win streak...inching closer to .500
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 27, 2013, 10:31:08 AM
NCWC splits with D2, St. Andrews.  Great job!  Up next is weekend series at Ferrum.  A sweep would allow Bishops to challenge for 2nd place in Conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 27, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 27, 2013, 10:31:08 AM
NCWC splits with D2, St. Andrews.  Great job!  Up next is weekend series at Ferrum.  A sweep would allow Bishops to challenge for 2nd place in Conference.

and a outside shot at 1st place. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 27, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 27, 2013, 10:31:08 AM
NCWC splits with D2, St. Andrews.
for what its worth, st. andrews is naia...when webber international university bought st. andrews and made st. andrews a branch campus, they assumed webber international's athletic affiliation

still a good win for the bishops vs. a scholarship program, but on the whole most view naia as a step below d2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 27, 2013, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: narch on March 27, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 27, 2013, 10:31:08 AM
NCWC splits with D2, St. Andrews.
for what its worth, st. andrews is naia...when webber international university bought st. andrews and made st. andrews a branch campus, they assumed webber international's athletic affiliation

still a good win for the bishops vs. a scholarship program, but on the whole most view naia as a step below d2
Considering they were undefeated against D3 teams it is still a good win.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 27, 2013, 09:18:37 PM
CNU squeaks by Mary Washington 8-7. Justin Weaver smacks his 1st HR of the year, and is now hitting .400 (.405 in conference) with 1 HR and 30 RBI's (16 in conference). CNU did make 4 errors on the day.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 28, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on March 27, 2013, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: narch on March 27, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on March 27, 2013, 10:31:08 AM
NCWC splits with D2, St. Andrews.
for what its worth, st. andrews is naia...when webber international university bought st. andrews and made st. andrews a branch campus, they assumed webber international's athletic affiliation

still a good win for the bishops vs. a scholarship program, but on the whole most view naia as a step below d2
Considering they were undefeated against D3 teams it is still a good win.
couldn't have said it better myself :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 28, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
Narch,
thanks for the clarification. 

Catfish - You going to make it to the CNU series?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 28, 2013, 03:26:55 PM
LTHSdad,
I hope to make it for the Saturday game to see Taylor throw, I have already seen Chrismon pitch twice this year.  Plus it is a alumni spring weekend so hope to see some old friends at the same time. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 28, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
Catfish from your prospective how does the talent in the USA South look this year and any propects?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 29, 2013, 10:26:15 AM
I was thinking about last night - Last year we had Perry go but in the 3 years before that I can not come up with any, am I missing someone?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 29, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 28, 2013, 10:28:58 PM
Catfish from your prospective how does the talent in the USA South look this year and any propects?
This has been a really good year for pitching and not a lot position players at that have really shined.  As far as pro prospects I think Chrismon is a fringe prospect.  He will probably end up being a senior undrafted signee next spring.  Taylor at CNU from what I hear is the best pro prospect but still has two years.  I hope to see Taylor next weekend.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on March 29, 2013, 01:36:44 PM
Catfish - Good timing as it is lunch time ;D I agree the pitching has been better than I expected with the conference going to 3 game series. On a side note do wonder if a quality pitcher goes to a school and they see him being a better asset for ending a game and put him in the bullpen as setup and/or closer does that hurt him? This brings to mind CNU were it has always been said their 2 best pitchers come out of the pen or does it matter? I have been impressed this year with several of the closers in the conference but wondering if they are hurting any chance they might have.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 29, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
From what I have seen and heard, I would agree with Catfish completely on this one. If I had to rank 'potential pro prospects' I would say Taylor would be at the top of my board due to being a LHP. As you pointed out, he has 2 years left so one can only hope he continues to improve, lift weights, and doesn't suffer any major injuries. While Chrismon is absolutely talented with a big arm, RHP's in the upper 80's are a dime a dozen these days. A prime example was Kenny Moreland. Kenny's size and MPH clearly hurt him, despite the fact he is still one of the best arms I have played with or against. I could see Chrismon as a late round pick, especially including he was drafted out of high school.

I think Kevin Herget, Kean University, has a real shot to be drafted this year as he opened a lot of eyes in the Valley League last summer. He was consisently in the low 90's, and I saw 94 several times on the scouts radar guns. His breaking ball is hard and sharpe. If he would fully develop his change (last summer it was off and on) he could be a big time arm for someone in the middle/late rounds.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 30, 2013, 03:54:49 PM
NCWC sweeps Ferrum to get within 2 games of Conference leader CNU.  Next weekend series will be huge! 

SO H. Brooks got beat up a bit today but hitters had the bats going again today to sneak out with a sweep this weekend.  Tune up game at Hampden Sydney Thursday before facing the CNU Captains next weekend.  Should be interesting...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on March 30, 2013, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on March 29, 2013, 01:36:44 PM
Catfish - Good timing as it is lunch time ;D I agree the pitching has been better than I expected with the conference going to 3 game series. On a side note do wonder if a quality pitcher goes to a school and they see him being a better asset for ending a game and put him in the bullpen as setup and/or closer does that hurt him? This brings to mind CNU were it has always been said their 2 best pitchers come out of the pen or does it matter? I have been impressed this year with several of the closers in the conference but wondering if they are hurting any chance they might have.

It hurts their chances in being seen.  A scout has to pick choose what games to go to.  It is hard to go see a reliever at a school especially when they are the only prospect because you would hate to see a game then they don't even make it in the game so now you just wasted your time sitting on a guy and no one else in the game is a prospect.  The last D3 reliever I went to see was Maxwell at Methodist but they also had Brandt throwing and I also saw Moreland the same day.  Now if I had missed that game and they were playing Sunday I would not have made a trip to just to sit on Maxwell.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on March 30, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
What about Perry from Methodist? How is the MiLB treating him?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 01, 2013, 07:21:38 PM
Well the USAS regular season is coming to an end this coming weekend. The standings look like there are still a few things to settle in the standings.  The only thing that is decided at this point is that what looked like a very good team on paper (Ferrum) in the pre-season USAS poll will not even make the USAS tourney. The other unexpected to me is that NCW after a tough 2012 actually has a chance at first if they sweep CNU. The rest of the conference middle is close and all the teams but Ferrum play this weekend to decide the tourney seeds. Any thoughts on who will end up in seeds 1-8?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 01, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
Well the CNU vs NCWC is for all the marbles with CNU needing just 1 win to ice it. I think CNU can take 1 of 3 from NCWC so the question is can NCW take 2 and hold on to second place?
AU vs PC this is an interesting series with the winner possibly getting to second. the loser will probably be 5th (see below) think AU will take 2 and if NCW gets sweept then 2nd goes to CNU and the rest is a toss up.
LA vs MV Think LaGrange will sweep and end with 14 wins  and really be in the race for either 2 or 3rd.
Green vs MU - Think Mehtodist takes 2 here and gets rolling to the tournament (they are my tournament dark hourse)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 02, 2013, 09:20:58 AM
Seeding has never made too much of a difference in the tournament.  What I trend to look at is how are these teams playing this late in the season:

CNU: 8-3 in their last 11 games.  Overall quality wins over Bridgewater, Mary Washington, Averett (2X).  Pitching is off the chart.
NCWC: 9-3 in their last 12 games.  Quality wins over NAIA St. Andrews, Averett (2X).  Starting pitching is excellent and are hitting really well of late.
Averett: 5-6 in last 11 games.  Quality wins over Lynchburg (2X), CNU.  Pitching is very good.
Piedmont: 4-6 in their last 10 games.  Quality win over CNU.  Do not excell at any thing specific...typical .500 team.
LaGrange: 6-6 in their last 12 games.  Quality wins over CNU (2x).  Terrible hitting team although pitching is ok.
Maryville: 5-7 in their last 12 games.  Quality wins over Averett (2X).  Defense can't catch the ball.
Methodist: 6-5 in their last 11 games.  Quality wins over Tufts, Averett.  Pitching is bad and not enough offense.
Greensboro: 4-8 in their last 12 games.  Quality wins vs CNU, Tufts, Averett (2X).  Not enough offense and not playing well of late.
Ferrum: 3-7 in their last 10 games.  Quality win vs Bridgewater.  Bad pitching staff.

USAS tournament will and has always come down to pitching.  Favorites should be CNU, NCWC and Averett who all have excellent starting pitching.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 02, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
LTHS agree that pitching is critical in the tournament and that CNU, NCWC and Averett are the Favorites. Of these 3 I would position them as follows;

CNU - 3 quality starters with very good numbers no real weakness there and bullpen is best in conference - offense can be either very good or struggle so will depend on which shows up
Averett - 2 quality starters one good starter and then bullpen is my biggest concern with them really being breaking ball based - offense is good overall but struggled in conference
NCW - 1 quality starter and then a pretty big drop off and bullpen a bit shaky - solid offense like the consistency lately.

So with these 3 really looking like 123 now the strategy starts, do you pitch your number 3 on day 1 and setup to face one of these 2 with your 1 or 2 or do you just go after it?

I am also going back and reviewing my POY stuff any ideas on this?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 02, 2013, 12:55:14 PM
I happen to disagree some...
CNU - Chrismon, Bierlein, Taylor...then they'll go to N. Santalucia (trouble) probably.  1-3, CNU is best in USAS...so as long as they don't go past Taylor, they are pretty unbeatable.  Bullpen with Fleishmann, Verdillo, and Lindsay is untouchable.  I would not knock the offense...they hit a very good .278 (#2), .382 OBP (#1), .346 SLUG (#2), 104 RBI (#3) in Conference play...PLUS they can catch the ball .964 fielding (#2).  Best shot at beating CNU is to keep score low 2-1, 3-2 and shut down their number 7-9 batters...but CNU is battle tested and can play with ANYONE.

NCWC - Swartout and Beasley 1-2...then you'll see Brooks (50-50, inconsistent) and #4 is Pleasant (trouble).  1-2 guy can shut you down...toss up for Brooks depending on the day, so if #3 contributes they'll go real deep in tournament.  Bullpen is non-existent.  Only reliable arm is Ciro Norzagaray (freshman)...but he is excellent.  Offensively, they hit well .280 (#1), .375 OBP (#2), .337 SLUG (#3), 110 RBI (#2), and best fielding team in Conference .966 (#1).   To beat NCWC, MUST get good pitching and shut down 1-4, specially lead off batter FR J. DiSanto...but this is a very mental team and can completely go into a meltdown on their own.  Lately, they have been MONEY so right now are the most dangerous team entering the tournament and have the most upside.

Averett - Moore and Kirks (excellent)...#3 Florence (if control is on) and #4 T. Davis are good pitchers.  They have the most fitted starters to go deep in the tournament.  Viracola, Moyer and Beaver are excellent out of the bullpen and can sit you down, much like CNU's trio without the power arms.  Offensively, they do not hit well, so if you can shut down Carter, Kirks, Newcomb and Alvarez...you can beat AU.  If they are to go deep and win this thing, it will be with pitching and their defense HAS TO BE SOLID.  Coach Fulton I believe is the most underated Head Coach in the USAS but I think he's the most tactical.  He can beat you with the long ball or bunt you to death.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 02, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
LTHS - Well said! You stated the facts and figures perfectly. I was really generalizing and did not go into the detail you did so +1 Karma

CNU - Agree with all, CNU does have a good offense but I have also seen their bad offense, think this is because they are young and not consistent - Do you think they go 4 man rotation or go with a 3 man rotation?

Averett - Is/was and will be the best coached team in the tourney, they do the little things to beat you. I have only seen Florence twice and he was handled by the other team both times so he is a worry for me.

NCWC - I have really liked what they have done in the last couple of weeks, at the beginning of the season they were under the radar and playing up and down but the last 2 weeks have really done well and things are really looking solid going into this weekend. My biggest fear is they get beat bad by CNU and lose some of that confidence. Swartout is a stud and number for number (except K's which will probably lose him the Pitcher of the year) a match with Chrismoun. Also really like what I have seen from Ciro what a good pickup.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 02, 2013, 02:04:16 PM
And upon further reflection about CNU's roation would not surprise me to see Emerson be the number 4 starter as they used him against Salisbury. But this should be easy to see when they start, if they are looking to only get 6 IP from each starter then they probably will go with a 3 man rotation but if they are trying to save the bullpen then look at a 4 man rotation. I love this time of year!  ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 02, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
I 'second' Boysofsummer21's post. Although his walk numbers are scary, I would potentially look at Emerson as the #4 for the tournaments. And although Santalucia has struggled this year, one cannot discount the experience he has pitching in big games. In 2012, he pitched well at Salisbury, beat Shenandoah in the tournament, and beat Rowan in the Regionals. Despite the numbers this year, it's nice to have a guy on the mound who has that type of experience when you get deep in the conference and regional tournaments.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 03, 2013, 02:24:53 PM
Ok looking at the final weekend of the conference season and starting to watch the POY players. Below I well lay out who I am watching this weekend.



Player OY              g    ab        r       h    2b     3b    hr     rbi     bb     k     sb  cs     avg         obp          slg       Fielding
Weaver   Overall    33   120     28     47     11      4     1     35     20     30     9    1     0.392      0.503       0.575    0.959
Weaver   Conf        21   74      16     30     8      1       -      16     12     18     4    1     0.405      0.505       0.541    0.950
Dean      Overall     31   132    27     50    11     1       1      28      6      8     12    2    0.379      0.400       0.500    0.884
Dean      Conf        20    88     16      31     4     -        1      18      4      7      7     1    0.352     0.375        0.432    0.843
Carter    Overall     34   122    24      48     4     -       -       18     12     17     6     4    0.393     0.446       0.426     0.909
Carter    Conf         21    73     11     26     1     -       -        7       9      10     4     2    0.356     0.424       0.370     0.897
 
Pitcher OY                g      gs     w      l     sv      cg       ip         h      r      er      bb      k        k/g       hr        era
Chrismon   Overall      8      8       6      2     0       2       58.1      49    13     11      9      73      11.26      1        1.70
Chrismon   Conf         7      7       5      2      0      2       51.1       46   12     10       7      66     11.57       1       1.75
Swartout   Overall      9      8       5      3      1      3       57.2       52   13     11     15      41      6.4          1       1.72
Swartout   Conf         7      7       5      2      0      3       51.2       49   12     10     12      34      5.92         1       1.74
Fleishman  Overall   16      0       0      0     11      1        17         6     1        1       4      26     13.76        1       0.53
Fleishman  Conf      10      0       0      0      8      -        10.2        3     0        0       4      19     16.03        -       0.00


Also looking at Rookie Pitcher

B Taylor
B Florence
C Norzagaray

And Rookie Poy

Z Blonder
M Barnes
J Houston

In the POY I think Welker should be in there but just don't see the award going to a player from a team not in the tournament. And yes I know Fleishman has no chance but being an old reliever from my days would like to see a reliever/closer get considered and he has set all sorts of records so... IMHO these are the front runners and by no means the entire list but the ones I will be watching this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 04, 2013, 08:20:54 PM
Boysofsummer,

You don't think Alexander from NCwC is POY material? Or in the running?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 04, 2013, 09:07:52 PM
No he is my number 4 along with Welker. He is having a good year and really strong in conference just think that he needs a couple of people to have a bad weekend to really be in contention.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 04, 2013, 09:54:05 PM
I agree. This weekend will be a good one with Weaver and Alexander playing each other. What are your predictions for NCW CNU series
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 04, 2013, 10:27:25 PM
CNU - NCWC So if CNU wins the first one then no telling but feel CNU 2-1. Just don't know how strong NCW is going to be over the long haul and CNU pitching has a tendency to get better as the game goes on. I do think that Alexander will have a better weekend than Weaver as I think NCW will really try and minimize what he does where as CNU pitchers jusy go after everyone. But that said I think Weaver will hit around 300 for the weekend so saying Alexander around 400. Now hows that for perdictions. I will say I would like to see NCW take the first 2 because I would drive down there for a 1 game winner take all!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 04, 2013, 11:06:17 PM
Bold predictions, but I like it. I'm certain to be there for a winner take all game. Ill be watching online. Going to be a good one. Going to be fun to see Chrissmon and Swartout battle. Although with it being senior day I don't see Swartout in gm1.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 05, 2013, 08:09:57 AM
I personally think Weaver has POY close to locked up at this point, unless he stumbles tremendously this last weekend and Alexander plays amazing. My 3 'favorites' at this point would be Weaver, Dean, and Alexander. As we've all stated, if Ferrum had a better record Walker would certainly be in the mix as well.

As far as pitcher of the year, I would think Chrismon has a stronghold on that as well, with Swartout and Kirks in a race for 2nd. Both Swartout and Kirks have had great seasons, but Chrismon has more wins, a lower ERA, more strikouts, less walks, etc. I think Chrismon has more of a lock on Pitcher of the Year than Weaver does POY.

I'm not trying to just show my 'CNU bias' here, but I honestly think both players are deserving, as well as Taylor potentially for Rookie Pitcher of the Year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 05, 2013, 08:40:50 AM
Pneal - Can't argue with you there I think CNU could actually sweep ( Weaver, Chrismon, Houston and Talyor oh and Harvell) but really don't think the coaches would let it happen. But by the numbers it is possible.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 05, 2013, 10:50:11 AM
I agree. I think CNU could make a case for all 4 to win their respective awards, but I do not see that happening. I see Weaver, Chrismon, and Taylor winning the awards though.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 05, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
Pneal - Agree and think Blounder from Maryville gets Rookie POY.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 07, 2013, 07:45:51 AM
CNU splits with NCWC on the day, clinching the regular season title. NCWC beat Austin Chrismon 1-0 in the 1st game, and CNU wins game 2 12-6.

I feel for Chrismon, who drops to 6-3. In his 3 losses, he has thrown 3 complete games, while only allowing 4 ER, striking out 28, and only giving up 13 hits in 24.1 IP.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 08, 2013, 12:54:08 PM
Ok after this weekend I would say my awards go this way with only one I feel is still in question.

Rookie of the Year - Blounder - Maryville
Rookie Pitcher - Taylor - CNU
POY - Weaver - CNU
Pitcher of the year - choose between Chrismon and Berlein
Coach of the Year - Harvell

There you got shoot holes in them!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2013, 05:39:09 PM
I gotta say Long deserves long look at Coach of the Year.  He had a squad that was picked to finish eightth and they are the #2 seed in the conference.  If we look at pitcher and player of the year just at what they did in conference I think Long should win.  Nothing against Harvell or CNU but they were picked 1st and they finished 1st just as planned but to finish 2nd in conference after being picked 8th is saying a lot.  I now I probably a bit biased on this but that is my 2 cents on the subject. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 08, 2013, 05:44:34 PM
Catfish - I agree but history has told us that it is the Coach who wins the season. But we shall see as he is definitely deserving.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 08, 2013, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 08, 2013, 05:44:34 PM
Catfish - I agree but history has told us that it is the Coach who wins the season. But we shall see as he is definitely deserving.
True but how many times has a 2nd to last preseason pick been in 2nd place
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 08, 2013, 10:30:50 PM
i could see long as coty - i've always felt the best way to get a coty award is to be picked 1st and dominate OR to be picked toward the bottom and compete for a championship...

i don't like mu being a #6 seed, but given the start to the season, i'll take it...i actually prefer this draw over being the #4 or #5 seed, because i think that au can be beat, and if that happens, the second round game isn't against cnu...meaning that a 2 win tournament isn't out of the question - of course, 0-2 isn't out of the question either :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 09, 2013, 07:33:13 AM
Catfishncwc - I think Coach Long has done the best done with what he had this year but becasue CNU finished 1st, I believe the committee will give the award to CNU's Harvell.

Pretty awesome weekend in Rocky Mount specially after NCWC beat Chrismon on game 1.  Game 3 was a disappointment as Swartout got pounded early.  I don't see that happening again.

As for the tournament, NCWC gets Maryville.  As a coach I would go with Swartout game 1 on the bump.  I know Hatteras Brooks dominated Maryville during their series but he is just too inconsistent right now.  Go for the jugular and get the 1st win.  I am picking Bishops to win big.  Win they get the W, looks like they will play winner of Averett and MU...that should be a great game to watch.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 09, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
Waiting for the All conference team. Excited to see who will be on it. Anybody know when it is coming out
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 10, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
Quote from: USASfan on April 09, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
Waiting for the All conference team. Excited to see who will be on it. Anybody know when it is coming out
All-Conference awards have been announced on the USAS website. CNU took home a lot of hardware. The pitching staff swept the awards w/ Pitcher and Rookie Pitcher of the year. Also all 3 first team pitchers and one second team pitcher. Thats quite a year on the bump for any pitching staff.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 10, 2013, 04:54:54 PM
Ok Tournament time!

This year you could easy pick by seed and probably do pretty well but....

If CNU wins first one I think they go on to win it all.
Best chance for NCW is to go with Swatourt first game and limit pitch count but would setup a tough battle in game 2.
AU needs to start out with Florence in game one other wise he has to go against NCW or CNU not liking that.

My dark horse would come from the Piedmont vs LaGrange game, think either of these teams can make some noise.

But after all the thought and back and forth think it comes down to CNU vs NCW and if CNU comes through winners bracket they win if NCW comes through Winners side they win. I do not see any team really going to win 2 on Sunday. But hey I have been wrong (a lot) before!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 11, 2013, 09:19:42 AM
For the Conference awards, I am extremely happy Charlie Long got the nod.  Definetely one of his better seasons coaching and I'm glad he got recognized.  Kuddos to CNU's John Harvell but they were picked to finish first.

Just speaking for NCWC, I believe 1B J.J. Rodriguez should have been on the 2nd Team vice Honorable (.333, 1 HR, 19 RBI, 14 R) as well as SP Jake Swartout (5-2, 3.04 ERA, 3 CG, 36 K's).  I was surprised to see our FR 3B as a 1st Team All-Conference.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 11, 2013, 10:51:50 AM
CNU up on GC 6-0 in the bottom of the 5th. Player of the Year Weaver has continued his hot streak, as he is 3 for 3 with 2 doubles, a HR, and 3 RBI.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2013, 10:46:21 PM
big win for the monarchs today in the first round...the only pitching duel of the first day...a 3-2 win

maryville is up next for the monarchs...the scots brought the bats today vs. the bishops...i'm hoping they left everything on the field today :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 12, 2013, 08:32:55 AM
I am going to refer back to my April 2nd post...What a complete meltdown by the Bishops...they can be great or completely destroy themselves.  12-0!!!!!  Embarrasing...NCWC pitching staff was throwing BP.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 12, 2013, 12:48:44 PM
Was Taylor injured in the CNU game? Only went 2 innings, gave up 1 hit and 1 run.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
Mu stays in the winners bracket thanks to a walk off hr by thigpen...2 one run wins for the monarchs and 2 special pitching days for a staff that has had its struggles this season - thigpen's hr was his second of the tourney - mu vs. pc tomorrow should be fun as these two teams played three tight regular season games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 13, 2013, 07:49:47 AM
The CNU article online just mentioned he had "arm soreness," so I am not sure what the injury is.

Certainly a disappointing tournament for the Captains. The offense seems to be streaky, so I am a bit concerned about Regionals (assuming CNU gets an at large). CNU has the pitching staff to contend, but the offense will need to be hot (and stay hot) for numerous consecutive games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Not at all convinced regional play happens for them.

In region you'd have to put Salisbury, Bridgewater, Huntingdon, Millsaps and perhaps Birmingham Southern ahead of them based on won-lost and in-region SOS. And Shenandoah and Frostburg State are pretty even with CNU with more games left.

In order of in region SOS (just because it's easier)
                  Win   SOS
Salisbury     .857  .548
Huntingdon .714   .547
Frostburg    .654   .542
B Southern  .742   .515
Bridgewater .880   .511
C Newport   .705   .508
Millsaps       .778   .503
Shenandoah .731   .495
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
MU stays in the winners bracket with a 4-2 win...thigpen picks up 2 RBI and is making a case for tourney MVP. Judge hasn't pitched yet this weekend, so the monarchs are in solid shape on the bump...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 13, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
I was hoping pf and Lagrange would go about 16 innings....
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 14, 2013, 07:27:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 13, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Not at all convinced regional play happens for them.

In region you'd have to put Salisbury, Bridgewater, Huntingdon, Millsaps and perhaps Birmingham Southern ahead of them based on won-lost and in-region SOS. And Shenandoah and Frostburg State are pretty even with CNU with more games left.

In order of in region SOS (just because it's easier)
                  Win   SOS
Salisbury     .857  .548
Huntingdon .714   .547
Frostburg    .654   .542
B Southern  .742   .515
Bridgewater .880   .511
C Newport   .705   .508
Millsaps       .778   .503
Shenandoah .731   .495

Spence - Thanks for those numbers. I'd be curious as to how overall national ranking factors into the decision making. CNU has been in the Top 10 all year, and after the tournament, will probably still be in the 15-20 range. Salisbury will certainly still be ahead of CNU, and B-SC may be able to jump them, but at year's end CNU will still be ranked higher than the majority of the teams on that list. If CNU wins out, I don't see how the Regional Tournament can not put them in. Off of the above list, the only team(s) I see that would without a doubt get an at-large over CNU would be Salisbury.

Also, your winning percentage for Bridgewater is off (or the website you got the info from). They are 24-9, for a .727 winning percentage, with recent losses to the Apprentice School and Roanoke College (two bad losses). A few of the winning percentages are off actually, so I assume the website hasn't update the information as of this weekend yet. Do you get that from the NCAA website? That's good info to look at, so I'd like to start checking it out!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2013, 09:02:51 AM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 14, 2013, 07:27:35 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 13, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Not at all convinced regional play happens for them.

In region you'd have to put Salisbury, Bridgewater, Huntingdon, Millsaps and perhaps Birmingham Southern ahead of them based on won-lost and in-region SOS. And Shenandoah and Frostburg State are pretty even with CNU with more games left.

In order of in region SOS (just because it's easier)
                  Win   SOS
Salisbury     .857  .548
Huntingdon .714   .547
Frostburg    .654   .542
B Southern  .742   .515
Bridgewater .880   .511
C Newport   .705   .508
Millsaps       .778   .503
Shenandoah .731   .495

Spence - Thanks for those numbers. I'd be curious as to how overall national ranking factors into the decision making. CNU has been in the Top 10 all year, and after the tournament, will probably still be in the 15-20 range. Salisbury will certainly still be ahead of CNU, and B-SC may be able to jump them, but at year's end CNU will still be ranked higher than the majority of the teams on that list. If CNU wins out, I don't see how the Regional Tournament can not put them in. Off of the above list, the only team(s) I see that would without a doubt get an at-large over CNU would be Salisbury.

Also, your winning percentage for Bridgewater is off (or the website you got the info from). They are 24-9, for a .727 winning percentage, with recent losses to the Apprentice School and Roanoke College (two bad losses). A few of the winning percentages are off actually, so I assume the website hasn't update the information as of this weekend yet. Do you get that from the NCAA website? That's good info to look at, so I'd like to start checking it out!

Ranking factors by the regional committee are found here:

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament

and here:

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament#pool

D3baseball.com Top 25 is not a criterion.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 14, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
In-region records and SOS numbers are found on the front page under News > Strength of Schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 14, 2013, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 14, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
In-region records and SOS numbers are found on the front page under News > Strength of Schedule.

That's where they came from. Apprentice is not Division III.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2013, 02:03:53 PM
Looks like thigpen just put a ribbon on the tourney MVP with a 3 run bomb on a 4-5 day...mu is up 10-2 in the bottom of the 8th
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on April 14, 2013, 02:04:35 PM
Good webcast and great facilities for the USAS tourney. Well done, USAS!

Methodist looks like the first team in the NCAA field as I type after a home run in the bottom of the eighth.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 15, 2013, 08:37:51 AM
Well for NCWC, the season is over.  I guessed we would get 12 wins and they ended up 21-23 over all and really improved.  This may have been one of Coach Long's best jobs in recent years.  Still be nice to have a legit "Pitching Coach" on staff.  Some of the things, I'll take away from 2013:

1.  Only loosing 2 seniors.  SS Alexander and SP Swartout.  Both had outstanding years and will be highly missed.

2.  On the other hand, I think, SS will be manned by FR sensation Ciro Norzagaray next year and Swartout spot will be gobled up by Ciro as well in the starting rotation.  Kid has way too much talent to just play one way.

3.  Weekend SP will be just as strong with Beasley, Norzagaray and Brooks...I am assuming Pleasant will remain number 4 after disappointing year.

4.  FR D. Moore seems to be molding into a fine closer.

5.  In the lineup, need CF J. DiSanto to hit near .300 to set table and RF Hayden Williams to be more consistent.  He could develop into therir number 3 hitter next year.

As far as USAS tournament, I'm not really surprised MU won it all.  They are very well coached by Tom Austin and could go deep in regionals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 15, 2013, 03:31:35 PM
LTHS,

Do you think Swartout or Alexander will continue their baseball careers. Indy ball or overseas possibly?
I think Swartouts arm could be used by someone somewhere.
As for Alexander. Having only 9 errors in 123 chances, a glove like that and a .300 hitter coul be used
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 15, 2013, 08:46:53 PM
I've never seen either one of them play, but it will be an uphill road for either to continue their career. While Alexander had a fine season at SS for NCWC, there have been many, many SS's that one would consider better than Alexander that did not even get a sniff at the next level. None of the following played at the next level (with the exception of Bailey getting a few AB's in indy ball): Trae Bailey (CNU), Brian Ingram (MU), Jesse Henry (SU), Paul Jaglowski (FC). Also, both Alexander and Swartout are very small, and do not have the protoypical build of a player at the next level. You certainly don't need size (see Dustin Pedroia); however, a 5'11" RHP throwing upper 80's is a dime a dozen once you get to that level, as well is a 5'7" MIF.

Several scouts have told me they subtract .080-.100 off of a players batting average per lower division they play (DII, DIII, etc.). Hitting .331 is a heck of a season, and certainly one to be very satisfied with; however, in the eyes of professional scouting .331 at the DIII isn't much to write home about. Perhaps Catfish can shed more light, as I just go off of what I am told from speaking with guys in the summers.

Kevin Herget (Kean University) has similar build to Swartout, and most suspect Herget will get drafted; however, Herget is a rare bird. I personally saw him hit 93-94 consistently on MLB scouts radar guns this past summer in the VBL. He led the VBL in K's, and we had several scouts mention they had no idea how he is playing DIII baseball, as he does have a breaking ball and change-up (on some nights) to go with it.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 15, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 15, 2013, 08:46:53 PM

Several scouts have told me they subtract .080-.100 off of a players batting average per lower division they play (DII, DIII, etc.). Hitting .331 is a heck of a season, and certainly one to be very satisfied with; however, in the eyes of professional scouting .331 at the DIII isn't much to write home about. Perhaps Catfish can shed more light, as I just go off of what I am told from speaking with guys in the summers.

Kevin Herget (Kean University) has similar build to Swartout, and most suspect Herget will get drafted; however, Herget is a rare bird. I personally saw him hit 93-94 consistently on MLB scouts radar guns this past summer in the VBL. He led the VBL in K's, and we had several scouts mention they had no idea how he is playing DIII baseball, as he does have a breaking ball and change-up (on some nights) to go with it.

Did anyone tell those scouts that he may not even be the best in D-III?

And that taking 100 points off per division is ridiculous. So you have to hit .450 to be able to be even passable in comparison to D-I? That's crazy. I wonder if the Cubs believe that after Tim Saunders' first half-year in the pros...

IMO the scouts miss guys every year because they won't look at a guy unless he fits into their cookie cutter even though those guys bust all the time. The Cubs paid this Cuban clown 10 million to play in high A and charge a dugout with bat in hand. IMO they should be looking less for numbers and more for ballplayers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 15, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
I agree with both.

But I more agree with spence
I think most scouts look a build before numbers. I'd rather have a 5'8 SS who can get hit than a guy who's 6'4 and can't hit. But hey it is what it is. I just hate the fact that some young men get passed over because they don't fit the right "build" I've seen Alexander makes some plays that I dont think I D1 guy could make. As for Swartout. A good right hander is not hard to find. These 2 senior really led that bishop squad from what was looking like another bad year for the bishops to a second place finish in the conference and one of 4 teams left in the tournament. Any word on Regionals and who is in or out.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 16, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Ahhh.... the old Scout question.
Scouts rate a player on tools and a point system.  For pitchers - Velo and pitch ranking.  Size matters in pro baseball like it or not.
Never heard about the drop in numbers by levels, but that would mean a DIII at 0.400 would be 0.300 in DII, and 0.200 in D1... not likely. Most play summer wood bat leagues so DIII numbers don't matter much. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 16, 2013, 07:46:11 AM
Quote from: USASfan on April 15, 2013, 03:31:35 PM
LTHS,

Do you think Swartout or Alexander will continue their baseball careers. Indy ball or overseas possibly?
I think Swartouts arm could be used by someone somewhere.
As for Alexander. Having only 9 errors in 123 chances, a glove like that and a .300 hitter coul be used

USAS fan,
IMO Alexander's career is over.  Yes, he hit well last year and this year but defensively he lacks range and his arm is best suited for 2B.

As for Swartout, I really think he can take it to the next level.  I'm really surprised he got bombed his last 2 outings but that may be due to too many innings and he may be fatigued.  Last year he was primarily used out of the bullpen...(over used).  At a minimum he has the velocity to draw interest from Indy ball.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 16, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 16, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
Ahhh.... the old Scout question.
Scouts rate a player on tools and a point system.  For pitchers - Velo and pitch ranking.  Size matters in pro baseball like it or not.

I guess it's a good thing that Ichiro was not North American then. Thinly built, not very tall, kind of a funny swing, doesn't walk a lot...and he may end up with the most hits of any man ever to walk the planet.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 16, 2013, 12:58:56 PM
Dustin Pedroia and many others fit this also. Like I said they measure "tools".
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2013, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: USASfan on April 15, 2013, 09:52:07 PMAny word on Regionals and who is in or out.
only one team in right now...

here are some useful tools from the mother page (www.d3baseball.com)

playoff central - http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/05/Playoff_Central
regional rankings - http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/category/ncaa/regional-rankings/ (first ranking has not yet been released)
strength of schedule - http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2013/schedule?tmpl=sos-template - this goes a long way toward determining regional rankings and at-large selections

there is also good regional discussion here http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7945.0 - jim dixon has done the good deed of pulling out the south region schools for SOS
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 16, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 16, 2013, 12:58:56 PM
Dustin Pedroia and many others fit this also. Like I said they measure "tools".

Pedroia was from California and went to Arizona State. Not exactly an under the radar player.

There have been D-III players drafted that weren't even the best on their teams, a few that barely even got playing time. Matt freaking DeSalvo was undrafted, presumably because he was only 6-feet tall. No one will ever be able to logically explain that.

He's not the only one, though.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 16, 2013, 02:31:23 PM
I agree in that many good baseball players get passed over every year, at all levels of the game. But any DIII kid has an uphill battle to play at the next level. While I agree the .100 per division may be a bit extreme, I do know that most scouts would take a SS who is 6'3" and a .250 hitter in DI over a 5'8" .400 hitting SS in DIII. It is all about how an individual "projects" down the road with a consistent training program and a lot of coaching. I've seen plenty of pitchers with 'stuff' that would not be considered next level worthy, yet they were drafted due to size and projection.

I was not by any means knocking Alexander or Swartout, as they both had fine seasons. I was merely making a statement that based on size, statistics, and metrics alone they would not be on many radar screens. I think Chrismon (CNU) will have an uphill climb, although I do think he will get drafted after next season due to the fact that he has the size  (6'3", 225+) to play at the next level and that he was already drafted once before.

At the end of the day, the minor leagues is a lot of roster filling to have people to play with the "bonus babies."
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 16, 2013, 03:55:06 PM
PNeal - agree Chrismon will probably go after next year. It is a shame really you look at Guys like Swartout and even Fleishman from CNU and they will never really get that shot to see. I think the thing that hurt Fleishman the most is CNU making him their closer and never getting a chance at starting. I think Taylor CNU will get a look but needs to keep working and building his body. I have seen a lot of really good ball players in the years and this time of year can really be hard on them so I hope they keep the faith and have enjoyed their college time as much as possible. I think that anyone who plays at the college level should be proud of that and they all have my respect!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 16, 2013, 03:58:33 PM
Amen Boysofsummer. Playing ball at the college level is tough, regardless of what division, so to do it successfully is a great accomplishment. That last game as a SR is never easy. I'm sure the majority of us would give up a lot to have 4 more years of elgibility!

I, too, think Taylor is probably the best current prospect of them all due to being a LHP and MPH.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2013, 04:57:24 PM
I will try and give a scouts prespective on D3 guys and the draft and some of the players this year.
As I always say their is nothing wrong with being a Good College baseball player.  Their are up to 1200 kids drafted each year and that includes College and HS kids of those maybe 10-20 are D3 Kids.  So if you are talented enough you will and can be drafted playing the D3 Level but the odds are against you.  Stats do nothing to get you drafted at the D3 level or any level really, Stats will get you looked at but not drafted.  Tools and project-ability are what get you drafted.  Of the D3 kids I have seen this year I would say one of them has a outside shoot and that is Chrismon at CNU at getting drafted. 
Other players like Swartout and Alexander have outside chances of being undrafted free agent signees or indy ball players.  I liked what I saw out of Swartout but without command of FB or a real out pitch at the next level I think Indy Ball would be something for him if he can get a tryout or show something at a open Indy Tryout.  But a under 6 foot righty who throws around 88 is not going to get a long look at the draft. 
The Draft is about what they think you can do in the future not about what you have already done.  Yes a lot of kids each year are over looked but for the most part we tend to get it right. 
People give me names of players in the ODAC and USA South that go undrafted each year, but with those names is a laundry list of reasons why they were not drafted.  Lets remember you can count the number of Major League players currently playing that played D3 ball on one hand. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2013, 08:28:35 PM
Isn't chrismon draft eligible this year? If so, i fully support him being drafted ASAP :)

Blake maxwell was drafted and closed primarily...of course he's huge and touched 90 at times, so he projected well and had a very respectable minor league career
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 16, 2013, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2013, 04:57:24 PM
I will try and give a scouts prespective on D3 guys and the draft and some of the players this year.
As I always say their is nothing wrong with being a Good College baseball player.  Their are up to 1200 kids drafted each year and that includes College and HS kids of those maybe 10-20 are D3 Kids.  So if you are talented enough you will and can be drafted playing the D3 Level but the odds are against you.  Stats do nothing to get you drafted at the D3 level or any level really, Stats will get you looked at but not drafted.  Tools and project-ability are what get you drafted.  Of the D3 kids I have seen this year I would say one of them has a outside shoot and that is Chrismon at CNU at getting drafted. 
Other players like Swartout and Alexander have outside chances of being undrafted free agent signees or indy ball players.  I liked what I saw out of Swartout but without command of FB or a real out pitch at the next level I think Indy Ball would be something for him if he can get a tryout or show something at a open Indy Tryout.  But a under 6 foot righty who throws around 88 is not going to get a long look at the draft. 
The Draft is about what they think you can do in the future not about what you have already done.  Yes a lot of kids each year are over looked but for the most part we tend to get it right. 
People give me names of players in the ODAC and USA South that go undrafted each year, but with those names is a laundry list of reasons why they were not drafted.  Lets remember you can count the number of Major League players currently playing that played D3 ball on one hand.

Very well said Catfish. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it's all about how a kid 'projects' in the future. I'm not sure what territory you cover, but have you had a chance to see Herget throw from Kean University?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: narch on April 16, 2013, 08:28:35 PM
Isn't chrismon draft eligible this year? If so, i fully support him being drafted ASAP :)

Blake maxwell was drafted and closed primarily...of course he's huge and touched 90 at times, so he projected well and had a very respectable minor league career
Yes chrismon is draft eligible, he is a Junior this year.  He played two full seasons at ECU. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 16, 2013, 09:37:51 PM
PNEAL
I had not seen Herget throw, I normally don't see players outside of my Scout Supervisor's area (VA, NC, SC) unless they come play teams in my area. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 17, 2013, 02:33:15 PM
I still think teams miss a lot of guys because they're always chasing "projectability" and end up with busts. Sure they didn't lose much in terms of money but they did just throw away a chance to draft a useful player on a guy that all he ever did was light up a radar gun or look good in the weight room.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 17, 2013, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 17, 2013, 02:33:15 PM
I still think teams miss a lot of guys because they're always chasing "projectability" and end up with busts. Sure they didn't lose much in terms of money but they did just throw away a chance to draft a useful player on a guy that all he ever did was light up a radar gun or look good in the weight room.
A player drafted is not all about filing a roster for the Low Level A team.  Their are a lot of D3 players that could play for minor league teams.  A player is drafted in the hopes of a skill or a skill set that can get to the Big Club.   that is why kids who throw in the mid 80's who could get people out in low level ball and probably do really good on those clubs are passed over by the 6-4 kid who throws 92.  6-4 an 92 mph plays a lot better in the higher levels than 86ish.  I hate it as much as the next person that more D3 kids are not drafted but the reality is tools are the name of the draft game and players at the D3 level just don't have the same tool box of skills.  I was on a staff that had 3 pitchers play pro ball and our best pitcher and the guy you wanted on the mound for the big gmae didn't play a day of pro ball. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 17, 2013, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 17, 2013, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 17, 2013, 02:33:15 PM
I still think teams miss a lot of guys because they're always chasing "projectability" and end up with busts. Sure they didn't lose much in terms of money but they did just throw away a chance to draft a useful player on a guy that all he ever did was light up a radar gun or look good in the weight room.
A player drafted is not all about filing a roster for the Low Level A team.  Their are a lot of D3 players that could play for minor league teams.  A player is drafted in the hopes of a skill or a skill set that can get to the Big Club.   that is why kids who throw in the mid 80's who could get people out in low level ball and probably do really good on those clubs are passed over by the 6-4 kid who throws 92.  6-4 an 92 mph plays a lot better in the higher levels than 86ish.  I hate it as much as the next person that more D3 kids are not drafted but the reality is tools are the name of the draft game and players at the D3 level just don't have the same tool box of skills.  I was on a staff that had 3 pitchers play pro ball and our best pitcher and the guy you wanted on the mound for the big gmae didn't play a day of pro ball.

That 6-4 guy that throws 92 may never see a day in the "higher levels" because he can't throw the ball over the plate.

The best major league pitcher of my lifetime barely touched 90 after his first couple of seasons, and was getting guys out throwing mid 80s fastballs at age 40+. He was only 6 feet tall.

I would think late in the draft teams would want players that can be productive at some level.

Any of those 3 pitchers ever make it?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 17, 2013, 07:04:30 PM
Spence - Who was the greatest pitcher of your lifetime? I assume you are referring to Maddux.

I would say the most dominant pitcher I've ever seen (unless Justin Verlander is on) was Pedro Martinez, who could certainly light up the radar gun.

Unfortunately, "it is what it is" in terms of D3 players getting drafted. As Catfish mentioned, players are judged based on how they project as a potential MLB player, not how they would play at the low levels of the minor leagues are how they played in college. One of the best baseball players I've ever played with or against was Trae Bailey (SS, CNU). Listed below are his numbers are 4 years at CNU. He seemingly came up with every big hit in every big situation he was put into, and he hit 3rd in the lineup his SO, JR, and SR season. He was also one of the best defensive players I've played with/against (despite less than spectactular fielding % numbers). However, he was small in size, his power at the D3 level did not project to potential power in the MiLB/MLB, and he was extremely slow in terms of a 60 time. He ended up getting a sniff of indy ball, and that is is.

FR - .323, 2 HR, 14 RBI, 4 2B's, 96 Total AB's, .936 Fielding %
SO - .323, 3 HR, 37 RBI, 15 2B's, 161 Total AB's, .919 Fielding %
JR - .427, 10 HR, 62 RBI, 21 2B's, 171 Total AB's, .947 Fielding %
SR - .404, 9 HR, 44 RBI, 9 2B's, 156 Total AB's, .939 Fielding %
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 17, 2013, 08:18:01 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 17, 2013, 07:04:30 PM
Spence - Who was the greatest pitcher of your lifetime? I assume you are referring to Maddux.

I don't think there's any question.

I would say the most dominant pitcher I've ever seen (unless Justin Verlander is on) was Pedro Martinez, who could certainly light up the radar gun.

Unfortunately, "it is what it is" in terms of D3 players getting drafted. As Catfish mentioned, players are judged based on how they project as a potential MLB player, not how they would play at the low levels of the minor leagues are how they played in college. One of the best baseball players I've ever played with or against was Trae Bailey (SS, CNU). Listed below are his numbers are 4 years at CNU. He seemingly came up with every big hit in every big situation he was put into, and he hit 3rd in the lineup his SO, JR, and SR season. He was also one of the best defensive players I've played with/against (despite less than spectactular fielding % numbers). However, he was small in size, his power at the D3 level did not project to potential power in the MiLB/MLB, and he was extremely slow in terms of a 60 time. He ended up getting a sniff of indy ball, and that is is.

FR - .323, 2 HR, 14 RBI, 4 2B's, 96 Total AB's, .936 Fielding %
SO - .323, 3 HR, 37 RBI, 15 2B's, 161 Total AB's, .919 Fielding %
JR - .427, 10 HR, 62 RBI, 21 2B's, 171 Total AB's, .947 Fielding %
SR - .404, 9 HR, 44 RBI, 9 2B's, 156 Total AB's, .939 Fielding %

.950 is not bad for a shortstop. That's about where Tim Saunders was his last two years. Bailey played before the BBCOR changes so 9-10 HR was good but not great and maybe not even best on his team (I can't remember if he played with Phaup and Turner or not). I mean yeah in that era 20 XBH in a season is probably not gonna get you noticed, especially if you don't have speed and you're a middle infielder.

I'm not saying that any productive player should get drafted. I'm just saying drafting "tools" guys that haven't gotten results doesn't seem to work too often. But I've seen career .400 hitters with strong defensive skills and good speed for their position be dismissed by scouts simply based on size. That's just foolish, IMO.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 07:17:48 AM
Bailey was after Phaup and Turner, so he was the best we had during those years. Bailey played with Chris Despins, who had potential and the size to get noticed (6'4+, 230ish), but his head wasn't screwed on right. Despins also transferred to CNU after 1 year at the D1 level (Longwood I believe, but not positive). The years Bailey hit 10 and 9 HR's, Despins was right behind him in the lineup and hit 10 and 6 respectively.

I agree with you in that not all skills can be measured. Some kids just have a 'baseball knack' and know how to the play the game. If scene enough times, scouts can generally pick up on that as well. However, it's generally tough for someone to realize that if they only get the chance to watch you play once or twice, and at the D3 level scouts certainly aren't lining the seats at every game unfortunately.

At a recent VBL meeting, we actually had a few scouts (can't remember their names or level of scouting) stop in to meet with all league owners. They told us that they love when we sign D2 and D3 kids, as that gives them a chance to see top talent at lower levels all on the field together. Plus, they said it gives them a chance to see kids they normally wouldn't see during the season due to making their rounds at the bigger universities/colleges within the respective territory.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 18, 2013, 09:05:09 AM
How about the following guys...any thoughts?

OF/P - Andrew Kirks (Averett, Junior) - 6'1, 190 LBS (.364, 1 HR, 24 RBI, 22 XBH, .526 SLUG%, 2.25 ERA, 10 GS, 2 CG, 72 INN, .228 BAVG)
P - Austin Chrismon (CNU, Junior) - 6'3, 230 LBS (11 GS, 1.74 ERA, 3 CG, 78 INN, 86 K, .216 BAVG)
P - Matt Verdillo (CNU, Senior) - 6'0, 190 LBS (20 G, 24.2 INN, 36 K, .267 BAVG)
OF - Justin Weaver (CNU, Junior) - 6'2, 195 LBS (.393, 2 HR, 46 RBI, 36 R, 22 XBH, 11 SB, .513 OBP, .600 SLUG%)
OF - Brandon Thigpen (Methodist, Senior) - 6'2, 200 LBS (6 HR, 20 XBH, 21 BB, .500 SLUG%)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
These are just my thoughts. Catfish would be the best source of info here.

Kirks - Never personally seen the kid play, but have spoken with people who have. I don't have enough info to grade/judge him.

Chrismon - I expect him to be drafted this year or next. Getting drafted out of high school certainly helps.

Verdillo - His numbers as a SR, and his numbers in the VBL both summers, do not help his case. When on, he has very good stuff that could pitch at the Indy Ball or lower MiLB level, but the consistency may be an issue. I would say he does not continue his playing career, as much as I hate to say that as I know the kid personally, and he even lived with my parents his two summers in the VBL.

Weaver - This will be interesting. He has decent size (6'2", 195) and all of his 'tools' are slightly above average. Depending on how he performs this summer in the VBL, and if he can add power numbers to his SR campaign, he may have a shot. Running an above average 60 time would certainly help. It is an uphil climb though, as it is with all of these guys. 

Thigpen - This is also an interesting case, as he falls into a similar case as Weaver. He has good size (6"2, 200), hits from the left side, and has shown flashes of power potential (19 HR's over his SO, JR, and SR season). He also had a good summer in the VBL last summer, as he was named a VBL All-Star. I would think that if Trey Such did not continue his playing career, that Thigpen would not either, unless Indy Ball calls his name
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 18, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
QuoteThat 6-4 guy that throws 92 may never see a day in the "higher levels" because he can't throw the ball over the plate.

The best major league pitcher of my lifetime barely touched 90 after his first couple of seasons, and was getting guys out throwing mid 80s fastballs at age 40+. He was only 6 feet tall.

I would think late in the draft teams would want players that can be productive at some level.

Any of those 3 pitchers ever make it?

Spence,
Again the Draft is not placing nice ball players in the low levels to fill roster spots for your Rookie Ball and Low Level A team.  It is the hope of that player with a Tool Set to develop that tool set to help the big club. 
Also that pitcher who was throwing mid 80's in his 40+ age lets not forget Maddux could ramp it up to 94 in his younger days.  But Maddux was a once in a generation pitcher and when comparing D3 fringe prospects to one of  the greatest of our generation that kinda puts your argument a little off base.   
Hundreds of players are drafted each who never develop, that is why their are 40 rounds and at least 5 levels of minor league teams for each MLB organization .  It is to develop.  You can't make someone throwing 86 mph at the age of 22 throw 94 at the age of 25.  But if you get that kid throwing 92 to control his FB and develop a off-speed out pitch you have something their. 
I played with and against plenty of players in the USA South/Dixie who when I was playing I thought were pro prospects and could not understand why they were not signed and drafted.  But after becoming a scout and seeing all the talent at D1, D2, D3, Juco and HS level it really shrinks what you think is a pro prospect and not. 
So again plenty of D3 players could play at the lower levels of pro ball but filling roster spots is not the point, it is developing talent and tools to help the big club. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 18, 2013, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 18, 2013, 09:05:09 AM
How about the following guys...any thoughts?

OF/P - Andrew Kirks (Averett, Junior) - 6'1, 190 LBS (.364, 1 HR, 24 RBI, 22 XBH, .526 SLUG%, 2.25 ERA, 10 GS, 2 CG, 72 INN, .228 BAVG)
P - Austin Chrismon (CNU, Junior) - 6'3, 230 LBS (11 GS, 1.74 ERA, 3 CG, 78 INN, 86 K, .216 BAVG)
P - Matt Verdillo (CNU, Senior) - 6'0, 190 LBS (20 G, 24.2 INN, 36 K, .267 BAVG)
OF - Justin Weaver (CNU, Junior) - 6'2, 195 LBS (.393, 2 HR, 46 RBI, 36 R, 22 XBH, 11 SB, .513 OBP, .600 SLUG%)
OF - Brandon Thigpen (Methodist, Senior) - 6'2, 200 LBS (6 HR, 20 XBH, 21 BB, .500 SLUG%)
Chrismon is probably the only one on the list to be a draftable prospect.  I like Weaver but OF's like him grow on trees and he does not have that one tool that really shows.  Maybe next year as a undrafted signee or Indy Ball.  The others are all good college players but I think Indy ball would be the future for them at the next level. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 18, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Also if anyone has not read the piece in the Wall Street Journal a couple of weeks ago about Velocity and pitchers should do so. Today 95 is the old reference of 90. Trinity for example has 6 kids that can touch 90, while that was a big deal a few years ago it is not so much anymore. They have one kid who has not pitched a lot of innings over his career there, but I can almost guarantee someone will draft him because he has hit 96 in the past and sits low 90's. IMO he is a player a pro team will use one of their picks for sine he will be a 15 rounder with low $ spent and has upside once he gets into an organization that can help him develop.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 11:32:19 AM
Very good point 108. Touching 90 MPH isn't nearly what is used to be. Heck, every MLB teams bullpen is filled with 6+ guys that consistently sit in the low 90's and run it up into the mid/upper 90's fairly often. Every measurable tool is improving (MPH, 60 Yd Dash Time, Catcher Pop Time, Home to First Time), as what used to be considered above average is now in the average range at best.

If the kid from Trinity can touch 96 (and more often than once every blue moon), and sits in the 91-92 range, he will be drafted without a doubt.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Here's an example of numbers at the D3 level that will get you noticed (or look up Bruce Maxwell's numbers from last season, he was a 2nd Rd Pick by the A's):

Joseph Odom (6'2", 200) - Huntingdon College

.400 (50/125), 13 HR's, 51 RBI's, 20 BB's
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2013, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 18, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
QuoteThat 6-4 guy that throws 92 may never see a day in the "higher levels" because he can't throw the ball over the plate.

The best major league pitcher of my lifetime barely touched 90 after his first couple of seasons, and was getting guys out throwing mid 80s fastballs at age 40+. He was only 6 feet tall.

I would think late in the draft teams would want players that can be productive at some level.

Any of those 3 pitchers ever make it?

Spence,
Again the Draft is not placing nice ball players in the low levels to fill roster spots for your Rookie Ball and Low Level A team.  It is the hope of that player with a Tool Set to develop that tool set to help the big club. 

I disagree. That might be what they say they're doing, but they're not. They're looking for square pegs to fit into square holes.

Also that pitcher who was throwing mid 80's in his 40+ age lets not forget Maddux could ramp it up to 94 in his younger days.

Yeah before he was actually good. He was better when he didn't throw as hard, both in his career and in games. He often said he backed off when he was in a jam, rather than throwing harder.

  But Maddux was a once in a generation pitcher and when comparing D3 fringe prospects to one of  the greatest of our generation that kinda puts your argument a little off base.   

Why? Because he was good? It proves that you don't have to be able to throw the ball through a brick wall to be a good pitcher at the major league level. But scouts operate as if you do, and in fairness to them its because that's what the ballclubs are looking for too.

Hundreds of players are drafted each who never develop, that is why their are 40 rounds and at least 5 levels of minor league teams for each MLB organization.  It is to develop.  You can't make someone throwing 86 mph at the age of 22 throw 94 at the age of 25.

This is false. There have been guys that picked up significant velocity as a result of mechanical adjustments, training regimen, etc. It's less common at that age, but for the most part only college seniors would be 22 when drafted and many players are drafted before that.

I played with and against plenty of players in the USA South/Dixie who when I was playing I thought were pro prospects and could not understand why they were not signed and drafted.  But after becoming a scout and seeing all the talent at D1, D2, D3, Juco and HS level it really shrinks what you think is a pro prospect and not. 

So again plenty of D3 players could play at the lower levels of pro ball but filling roster spots is not the point, it is developing talent and tools to help the big club.

Whatever dude. I'm sure because some MLB team takes your calls and is willing to send you a check if they sign someone that you know it all and I know jack. But I know this...scouts miss players. A lot of them. And they get guys signed that are useless, but they can throw hard so they make some money off them. I knew several people when I lived down there that called themselves scouts -- legion coaches, clubhouse managers, could be anyone. Doesn't mean much to me other than have someone's phone number and they're willing to take your calls.

If teams did such a great job, they wouldn't run so through so many players and have so many picks early in the draft go bust. 1/3 in the first round never make the majors. Even 2nd round picks are only 50-50 shots to ever make the majors, in a 40 round draft! And there's not much difference between the 10th round and the 40th as far as likelihood goes.

That's just horrible efficiency. Not sure how you screw up the easiest part of your job 1/3 of the time.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2013, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on April 18, 2013, 09:05:09 AM
How about the following guys...any thoughts?
P - Austin Chrismon (CNU, Junior) - 6'3, 230 LBS (11 GS, 1.74 ERA, 3 CG, 78 INN, 86 K, .216 BAVG)
he's the only one...he has prototype size, good velocity, great numbers this year (K/9 and baa, in particular), and he has had exposure to very high level college baseball at ecu

perry went in the 17th last year (which kind of surprised me...i thought he'd be drafted very late or sign as a ufa) and proved that all it takes is one team to really like you and think they've got to snag you early to get drafted in the top 1/2 of the draft - i'll be surprised if chrismon lasts beyond the 20-25th round, even though his numbers aren't as good as perry's were last year (14 gs, 2.14 era, 4 cg, 92.2 ip, 132 k, .207 baa) and perry measured 6'2"/215
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2013, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 18, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
Also if anyone has not read the piece in the Wall Street Journal a couple of weeks ago about Velocity and pitchers should do so. Today 95 is the old reference of 90. Trinity for example has 6 kids that can touch 90, while that was a big deal a few years ago it is not so much anymore. They have one kid who has not pitched a lot of innings over his career there, but I can almost guarantee someone will draft him because he has hit 96 in the past and sits low 90's. IMO he is a player a pro team will use one of their picks for sine he will be a 15 rounder with low $ spent and has upside once he gets into an organization that can help him develop.

It's amazing how Trinity always has awesome everything but yet they can never seem to win a simple regional.

Every year it's the same...
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Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
Spence - I know Catfish from our communication on here (and seeing him at our games when I played at CNU) and I have also spoken with SEVERAL scouts through the Valley Baseball team I help manage/recruit. His comments are spot on with what scouts look for. They judge based on how a player projects at the MLB level, not how they play in college or how they would fare in Rookie Ball, Low A, High A, etc. College statistics certainly help paint the 'projection' picture, but they are not the main, or determining, factor. I'm sure players get missed along the way; after all, how many kids play baseball on any given year (millions). While pitchers can gain velocity from a mechanical adjustment or arm slot change, the majority of the time these adjustments are made to improve offspeed pitches or the ability to locate. An arm slot change is often made because a pitcher is getting hit from one slot, so they drop to another slot (see the majority of side arm pitchers).

I do agree with Catfish that you can't compare a D3 player with less a less than desirable number on the radar gun to Greg Maddux. That's just silly.

When comparing a kid in D3 who has spectactular numbers (see Kenny Moreland) versus a D1 pitcher who throws mid 90's but has a high era or walk total, the D1 kid is going to be drafted every time over the D3 kid. It's just the way the system works. If the D3 pitcher has size and projectability, that adds to his chances.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2013, 02:36:56 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 11:36:40 AMlook up Bruce Maxwell's numbers from last season, he was a 2nd Rd Pick by the A's
perhaps maxwell's most important numbers...6'3"/235 lefthanded catcher - if he's an OF or even a d3 corner infielder with those numbers, he doesn't get drafted nearly as high, in my opinion - if he's 6'0", 195 righthanded catcher with the same numbers, he probably doesn't go as high, either -
he projects (as catfish would say) because he is big, athletic, hits for power (from the left side), walks a lot (this is the A's we're talking about) and plays a position that not everyone can play

while spence may not like it, big league teams DO look at height/weight/speed combinations, in part because the data supports the fact that the guys who make it to the big leagues tend to be bigger, faster, stronger and harder throwers (for every greg maddux, there are a lot more like verlander, hernandez, weaver, etc. who blow you away with size and stuff)...when a scout who gets paid to project success at the big league level sees a 5'7" middle infielder who hits .330 in college, he realizes he's seen LOTS of them all over his region, but there aren't many in the bigs...when he sees a strapping 6'3" behemoth crushing balls all over the field who might hit .270...well, that guy stands out - doesn't mean he's necessarily a better player, but he PROJECTS to be a better player - while i agree with spence that scouts miss some players, the bottom line is that's the nature of the game...any time you are projecting something, you're bound to miss some times...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2013, 03:11:17 PM
That's the thing...a lot of scouts don't get paid to watch players or for players making the majors (thought it might help their long-term prospects if they do)...they get paid when they get players signed by the club that they quasi-work for. It's basically commission in a lot of cases. Often times it's just something impressive looking to put on a business card. Never saw it in the north...was kind of funny how often I saw it in the south.

I don't see where Maddux being a great player disproves anything. What it disproves is the notion that you have to be big and throw hard. You don't have to be big to hit a baseball either. Of course there are a lot of Verlander/etc. types because that's what clubs are looking for. There are also a lot of guys that strike out a lot because clubs don't seem to care whether guys strike out or not anymore (even though year after year in the playoffs, the teams that bomb early are the high-K teams). There are probably a lot more Maddux types out there too that could be successful, but they never get the chance.

Funny thing about Maxwell is that since he's been a pro, he hasn't really hit for that much power. A D-III right-handed middle infielder (who should have been the national player of the year but wasn't) that went 20+ rounds later hit for more power. I wonder if any of the scouts that watched him ever saw him at home...saw how small their field is. But yes, being a lefty catcher obviously helps.

Just as obviously, a .330 hitter in D-III is not going to have much chance of being signed.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2013, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
When comparing a kid in D3 who has spectactular numbers (see Kenny Moreland) versus a D1 pitcher who throws mid 90's but has a high era or walk total, the D1 kid is going to be drafted every time over the D3 kid. It's just the way the system works. If the D3 pitcher has size and projectability, that adds to his chances.

Not saying it's not how the system works. I'm saying the system doesn't work, not often enough. The high bust rate even among first and second rounders proves this.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 18, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
With his size and numbers, I believe Maxwell would have beem drafted regardless of what position he plays. It also helps that he put up very strong numbers in a solid wood bat summer league. In 41 AB's so far this season, he is hitting .317 with 1 HR, 8 RBI, 3 2B's, and 4 BB's. Narch is correct in that his patience at the plate was a big factor for the A's.

I think the system would haven plenty of busts regardless of what the system was due to the human element. Some players change with age, so change once they get some spending money (a la the beginning Josh Hamilton's career), etc.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 18, 2013, 05:35:59 PM
Each year the draft is a funny thing.  Once you get outside the 1st 10 rounds lots of funny things happen.  Kids getting drafted higher than I had them rated and kids not getting drafted at all who I had pegged for rounds 20-30.   The MLB draft is nothing like the NFL or NBA those kids drafted go straight to the big club.  Once a player is drafted by a MLB club you have Rookie Ball,Short Season A, Low Level A, High A, Double A and Triple A.  That is a lot of development time and many injuries that can prevent players making it all the way. 
The 1st player I scouted was Justin Verlander and I remember writing in my Notebook at the end ""Either going to be a Hall of Famer or a bust" Their were games he could locate his  FB or Curve or both at the same time.  But if you look at him now he has great location and command and is the best pitcher in the majors today. 
Again being a former D3 and small school Juco player myself I go out of my way to see as many D3 games as I can, but I can't make players better than they are.  If I send a report to my Scout Supervisor to see someone I gotta make sure it is worth his time.  You have a 100 or so days in the Spring to see players and every game counts so yes players may go unseen, but it is not like you hear stories about players with 3rd round talent going undrafted because no one was able to go out and see them.  Players going undrafted are what we call fringe prospects and some of these fall between the cracks since it takes about 2-3 scouts to see a player before they are drafted. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 18, 2013, 05:55:34 PM
Great insightful stuff Catfish thanks.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 18, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
Did you see Verlander when he was in high school or college?

He seems like a good example of a guy that did make a big improvement the likes of which you say is, well I'll be kind and say unlikely. He gained 5 mph by switching lifting regimens while in college.

Undrafted as a high school senior to #2 pick as a college junior. Could have got him for cheap out of high school but no one noticed him. It's not like he was mediocre in high school.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: Spence on April 18, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
Did you see Verlander when he was in high school or college?

He seems like a good example of a guy that did make a big improvement the likes of which you say is, well I'll be kind and say unlikely. He gained 5 mph by switching lifting regimens while in college.

Undrafted as a high school senior to #2 pick as a college junior. Could have got him for cheap out of high school but no one noticed him. It's not like he was mediocre in high school.
Lets not forget that Verlander was not healthy his senior year in HS because of some illness (can't remember what it was) and barely had any strength his senior year to garner a real FB.  He then gets to ODU and gains more and more MPH's by getting back that strength he had lost before. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
So I guess college coaches had a better eye for talent than the scouts.

He was a low 90s guy before he got sick...what did the scouts think, that he was never gonna get well? That he was gonna die from strep? Crazy.

From his ODU profile.
HIGH SCHOOL: One of the top two high school pitchers in the entire Mid Atlantic Region...0.38 earned run average with 144 strikeouts in 72 innints...All-Metro and All-Region selection

Not sure how you miss a guy like that. He was pretty much an instant success at ODU too.

I don't find it very impressive to watch Verlander as a college junior and say "hrm, this guy might be pretty good." He went #2 in the draft...obviously anyone could see that by that time.

Unless you knew for 100% certain he wasn't gonna sign, seems like someone should have taken a shot on him.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Spence,
With your vast knowledge of Scouting why are you not a Scouting Director.  You seem to have this thing all figured out and the 450+ Full Time scouts currently just can seem to get it right like you.  You would be a real asset to a team.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2013, 11:39:49 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Spence,
With your vast knowledge of Scouting why are you not a Scouting Director.  You seem to have this thing all figured out and the 450+ Full Time scouts currently just can seem to get it right like you.  You would be a real asset to a team.

There's a difference between being able to do a job and being able to get a job. Takes knowing the right people.

Plus, I'd rather work on the business side of things if I was going to work for a baseball team.

As cheap as they are, it's surprising that teams don't have more scouts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2013, 11:49:27 AM
Catfish - Thanks for all the great info. For my uninformed point of view I find it very interesting.

So with this string going on would you say;
Chrismon (CNU P) - shot at draft
Fleischmann (CNU P Closer) - any shot at Indy?
Swatrout (NCW P) - any shout at Indy?
Welker (Ferrum C) - any shot at indy?
Alexander (NCW Inf) - any shot at Indy?

And how about Kirks at Averett? any thoughts? Figure Chrismon will go next year and then Taylor may be closer.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2013, 11:49:27 AM
Catfish - Thanks for all the great info. For my uninformed point of view I find it very interesting.

So with this string going on would you say;
Chrismon (CNU P) - shot at draft
Fleischmann (CNU P Closer) - any shot at Indy?
Swatrout (NCW P) - any shout at Indy?
Welker (Ferrum C) - any shot at indy?
Alexander (NCW Inf) - any shot at Indy?

And how about Kirks at Averett? any thoughts? Figure Chrismon will go next year and then Taylor may be closer.

Thoughts?

I think Chrismon has a shot, but I don't think it is going to happen this year, but it only takes one team to like you to draft you.  People also mention that him being drafted in HS helps but showing lesser stuff and a couple less MPH's on the fastball hurts because it shows a regression.  If he comes back next year and gets himself in top condition and gains back those MPH's on the fastball he had lost from HS I think he will be a real prospect. 
The other players all have real shots at Indy ball, but Indy ball is about your name and talent out to those leagues and teams.  They have many tryouts and I would suggest they go to as many open Indy League tryouts as they can.  They have the talent it is just letting them see that talent. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 19, 2013, 11:39:49 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Spence,
With your vast knowledge of Scouting why are you not a Scouting Director.  You seem to have this thing all figured out and the 450+ Full Time scouts currently just can seem to get it right like you.  You would be a real asset to a team.


As cheap as they are, it's surprising that teams don't have more scouts.

Scouts are not cheap.  Besides the Salary they receive and % of signing bonus.  The team pays for the Scouts car, gas, food, lodging and many other expenses.  It really adds up.  That is why mostly all teams have a Associate Scouting(Like myself) program.  They only pay a Associate when someone they discover is later drafted or signed by the team.  But for a Full Time Scout Supervisor expenses add up really quickly so the notion that scouts are cheap is wrong. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 19, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 19, 2013, 11:39:49 AM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Spence,
With your vast knowledge of Scouting why are you not a Scouting Director.  You seem to have this thing all figured out and the 450+ Full Time scouts currently just can seem to get it right like you.  You would be a real asset to a team.


As cheap as they are, it's surprising that teams don't have more scouts.

Scouts are not cheap.  Besides the Salary they receive and % of signing bonus.  The team pays for the Scouts car, gas, food, lodging and many other expenses.  It really adds up.  That is why mostly all teams have a Associate Scouting(Like myself) program.  They only pay a Associate when someone they discover is later drafted or signed by the team.  But for a Full Time Scout Supervisor expenses add up really quickly so the notion that scouts are cheap is wrong.

Relatively speaking, IMO they are. And 450 in the whole country is only like 15-20 per team, give or take. Seems pretty sparse to me. Obviously the associate program is cheap, cheap, cheap, but of widely varying use and quality. Like I say, I think for some people it's just something to have on a business card. Others, not so much.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 19, 2013, 02:18:36 PM
Boys of Summer, I did not see Kirks so I am not sure about his prospects. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 19, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
Yea I would say he is border line Indy, but that is me. I just find it interesting to watch as I am rooting for all the players in USA South. I am also the voice for the releivers as I was a releiver a long time ago so I stick up for my boys! That is why I do not understand why Fleishman (broke every conference record etc and has very good numbers) doesn't even get a look but I do realize that you guys have to prirotize your time to see all you need to and a D3 closer is definitely not on the list. But hey I will still do my lobbying and have a couple nice arms come along in others bullpens to work you over on in the coming years. SO just roll your eyes and ignore us releivers because as you know we are an odd bunch!! Thanks for all the info as we do not really get an insight into this kind of stuff!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 19, 2013, 11:16:52 PM
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There's a difference between being able to do a job and being able to get a job. Takes knowing the right people.

As cheap as they are, it's surprising that teams don't have more scouts.

1. Any organization will hire someone who can demonstrate superior skills. A blow hard on a bulletin board is just that.

2. Scouts are paid to find the few that have the skills to differentiate themselves at the highest level. It is an incredibly difficult job given the statistics in baseball. The few that I know are on the road 180-240 days a year and I would imagine the cost to an organization is significantly more than their salary.

I really appreciate your insight Catfish.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 20, 2013, 01:25:08 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 19, 2013, 11:16:52 PM
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There's a difference between being able to do a job and being able to get a job. Takes knowing the right people.

As cheap as they are, it's surprising that teams don't have more scouts.

1. Any organization will hire someone who can demonstrate superior skills. A blow hard on a bulletin board is just that.


Do you really think that contacts don't make a difference? Why do you think GMs draft their relatives (as happened in D-III a couple years back)?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 20, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 19, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
So I guess college coaches had a better eye for talent than the scouts.

He was a low 90s guy before he got sick...what did the scouts think, that he was never gonna get well? That he was gonna die from strep? Crazy.

From his ODU profile.
HIGH SCHOOL: One of the top two high school pitchers in the entire Mid Atlantic Region...0.38 earned run average with 144 strikeouts in 72 innints...All-Metro and All-Region selection

Not sure how you miss a guy like that. He was pretty much an instant success at ODU too.

I don't find it very impressive to watch Verlander as a college junior and say "hrm, this guy might be pretty good." He went #2 in the draft...obviously anyone could see that by that time.

Unless you knew for 100% certain he wasn't gonna sign, seems like someone should have taken a shot on him.

As Catfish mentioned, Verlander was very ill late in HS forcing his radar gun numbers to drop. When you add that, plus the fact he played at a small Single A high school, I can see how teams like UVA, etc. would pass on him. Getting healthy and on a consistent lifting routine really helped him. The same is happening for his brother right now at ODU. We had Ben two summers ago, and (no offense to anyone, as I like the kid and they have wonderful parents) I thought Ben was a below average baseball player, both pitching wise and hitting wise. Then come this year, he is hitting .370+ with 10 HR's.

Knowing the right people and having a baseball pedigree certainly helps (a la Harold Baines son gettind drafted a few years back), but it takes talent as well. Spence, I'm not sure what you have against Catfish, or scouts in general, but it is what it is. With all of the millions of baseball players, a few our bound to fall through the cracks, but the true players with pro level potential get drafted. The ones that fall through the cracks are 'borderline' guys. A few 'borderline' guys may end up making it, but the majority end up hanging up the cleats somewhere around Low/High A Ball.

I can admit that when I played at CNU, I thought I may be able to play at the next level (or indy ball, which I didn't even try to do due to the lack of pay). However, after being around a higher level/caliber of players and several scouts, I can easily see why myself, and several other players who have solid numbers at the D3 level, do not get drafted.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 20, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
One guy we haven't mentioned on here is Billy Steel (SS, CNU). He has had a very solid 3 years of his career, as he has started every game since showing up on campus. While he will not get drafted, he could potentially play indy ball if he wanted to added a few of the tryouts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 20, 2013, 02:04:58 PM
Baseball is so unpredictable, which is what makes it so fun to discuss. The Jason Heyward story is so funny with the scout watching games from the bushes, Mike Piazza drafted as a favor to Tommy Lasorda, and many others. Just when you think you have it figured...you find out you don't.

My son is good friends with a player who was drafted because he was the son of a scout and he heard all about how he was taken because of this and finally managed to get to the show last year. He is bouncing between AAA and the big club based  on his skills not because of his family connections. (he is not with the original organization now)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 20, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
If not for anabolic steroids, we've probably never heard of Mike Piazza. Another case of knowing the right people.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 20, 2013, 07:58:09 PM
I forgot that you are the all knowing expert on all that is baseball. My apologies to the prophet.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
Marietta's Mark Williams just got promoted to AA. Another one that scouts missed...signed out of the Frontier League.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 21, 2013, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 21, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
Marietta's Mark Williams just got promoted to AA. Another one that scouts missed...signed out of the Frontier League.
OK I get it we are all Idiots.  Please cover my area for me so I can look good. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Spence, give it a rest man. The scouts the majority of it right, and a few fringe players fall through the cracks.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 21, 2013, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 21, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
Marietta's Mark Williams just got promoted to AA. Another one that scouts missed...signed out of the Frontier League.

Catfish as you know better than anyone on this board, making it to AA does not mean squat in terms of playing with the big squad. Those who has been around proball know the difficulty is not getting TO AA, but getting OUT of AA. Actually the toughest part is sticking when you get called up. I would say that the most of the pro players I know are the ones that made it to the show and did not stick. When you make it and do not differentiate yourself from the 25 on the roster, you will bounce back and forth between the big squad and AAA until you are out of options then you have no value to the club and are let go.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2013, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 21, 2013, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 21, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
Marietta's Mark Williams just got promoted to AA. Another one that scouts missed...signed out of the Frontier League.

Catfish as you know better than anyone on this board, making it to AA does not mean squat in terms of playing with the big squad. Those who has been around proball know the difficulty is not getting TO AA, but getting OUT of AA. Actually the toughest part is sticking when you get called up. I would say that the most of the pro players I know are the ones that made it to the show and did not stick. When you make it and do not differentiate yourself from the 25 on the roster, you will bounce back and forth between the big squad and AAA until you are out of options then you have no value to the club and are let go.

Not the point. There are a lot of guys that get drafted that never make it to AA. That Williams has (and in a pretty short time) shows that he was clearly overlooked. Big guy, threw hard in college...played for a great program obviously.

Btw catfish, did you ever scout Allen Webster of McMichael HS in NC? 18th rounder making his first MLB start tonight for Boston. Has looked like a prospect so far.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 21, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
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Not the point. There are a lot of guys that get drafted that never make it to AA.

Actually Spence it is EXACTLY the point. You or I could probably find lots of guys good enough to make it to AA. Guys like Catfish are paid to find the few that make it to the MLB and stick. Frankly it is the singular reason they are there.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2013, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 21, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
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Not the point. There are a lot of guys that get drafted that never make it to AA.

Actually Spence it is EXACTLY the point. You or I could probably find lots of guys good enough to make it to AA. Guys like Catfish are paid to find the few that make it to the MLB and stick. Frankly it is the singular reason they are there.

Don't most players have to get to AA before they make MLB? Don't you think that a high rate of finding players that make it to AA would correlate to a high rate of identifying eventual MLB talent? Heck a lot of players skip AAA entirely if the club thinks they can play. I know the Twins do it relatively often.

Aug 1, 2011, Williams was still in independent ball. 20 months later and he's in AA. He threw 8 innings in rookie ball. You think the Brewers didn't realize they had a player better than many that were drafted?

If a scout's job is to uncover gems that makes the majors (let alone sticking), collectively they must not be doing a very good job of it if there's not much difference between the 12th round and the 38th round in terms of rate of making the majors. Teams do a better job drafting more likely MLB players sequentially in the first 10 rounds, but the first round is a 50-50 shot, indicating that the teams do a better job drafting than the scouts do scouting.

I would think if you consistently find players that make AA, you'll have enough of them make the majors that you'd come out looking pretty good by comparison.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 21, 2013, 07:34:11 PM
Spence, never saw Webster he was out of my area and I never got to see him.  But he has a man's FB and was a part of that big trade with Dodgers and Sox.  Sox probably have something with him their.  I heard the Dodgers scout was the one to convince him to be a pitcher and stop playing SS even though he was a slick fielding SS. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Spence - Did you play college ball and/or pro ball? Based on your comments you seem to have a bit of a 'grudge' against the system/scouts. Were you a fringe player that did not get drafted?

There is a difference between the 12th Round and the 38th Round in terms of getting to the majors. If you took every player ever drafted, players drafted in Rounds 1-20 have gotten to the show (and stuck) at a much higher percentage than players in the later rounds.

Also, your comment of "...teams do a better job drafting than the scouts do scouting" is idiotic. Where/how do you think the MLB teams draft? Off of what scouts see, say, think, etc. A local area scout sees a kid he thinks is a talent, if the player is worth it he calls in a cross-checker to come check him out, and based upon the cross-checkers thoughts he runs communication back to the big club. I may be missing a few parts of the process (Catfish can confirm) but it all revolves around the scouting.

You keep referring to the 1st Round being a 50-50 shot of making it to the majors. I have no clue what the numbers are, but let's assume your assumption is correct. If 1st Rounders have a 50-50 shot of making it to the big leagues, then players drafted in the 38th Round have about a 5-95 shot of not making it to the big leagues, so the scouts are still getting it right. They are drafting the players who have the greatest percentage (50-50 according to your all-knowing information) the earliest.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2013, 08:49:22 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 21, 2013, 07:34:11 PM
Spence, never saw Webster he was out of my area and I never got to see him.  But he has a man's FB and was a part of that big trade with Dodgers and Sox.  Sox probably have something with him their.  I heard the Dodgers scout was the one to convince him to be a pitcher and stop playing SS even though he was a slick fielding SS.

Just wondered. I know teams didn't get much chance to see him because he was needed at short.

Whoever the Dodgers scout was definitely did his job there. 20k for a MLB player with a mid-upper 90s FB and plus change.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 21, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 21, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
There is a difference between the 12th Round and the 38th Round in terms of getting to the majors. If you took every player ever drafted, players drafted in Rounds 1-20 have gotten to the show (and stuck) at a much higher percentage than players in the later rounds.

I didn't pick that round randomly. After the 10th, the percentages level off significantly. 11-20 is not much different than 21-40.

Also, your comment of "...teams do a better job drafting than the scouts do scouting" is idiotic. Where/how do you think the MLB teams draft? Off of what scouts see, say, think, etc. A local area scout sees a kid he thinks is a talent, if the player is worth it he calls in a cross-checker to come check him out, and based upon the cross-checkers thoughts he runs communication back to the big club. I may be missing a few parts of the process (Catfish can confirm) but it all revolves around the scouting.

My point is that the teams are good at taking the information they're given and using it intelligently, hence having more 5th rounders make it than 10th rounders. But the information they're being given leads to a 50-50 result in the very first round, and markedly worse even in the 2nd and 3rd. I don't think I've ever had a job where you could screw up the easiest part of your job half the time and keep it.

You keep referring to the 1st Round being a 50-50 shot of making it to the majors. I have no clue what the numbers are, but let's assume your assumption is correct. If 1st Rounders have a 50-50 shot of making it to the big leagues, then players drafted in the 38th Round have about a 5-95 shot of not making it to the big leagues, so the scouts are still getting it right. They are drafting the players who have the greatest percentage (50-50 according to your all-knowing information) the earliest.

Scouts don't draft. Teams do. Ultimately the scout doesn't have the final call.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 21, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
Where do you think the teams get their information from?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
Spence...it's time for you to tell us YOUR solution...your kvetching is getting really old
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 21, 2013, 11:13:57 PM
OK I will let this one go. I think you have a pretty good handle on DIII ball - even with your obvious bias, but based on your responses you don't have too good a handle on the pro process. Actually you are not alone as there are a lot of rules that most people do not understand and teams will do lots of moves with players to maximize their control over them so they can delay the time until they can declare for free agency. Frankly most never make it that far.

I have some of the stats somewhere but only 7% of all drafted players make it to the MLB. There is a very high percentage that make it and "get a cup of coffee" and are done after a year or two. If I can find the stats I will post them, It is a very brutal business, disguised as a kids game.....but it is magical ;)

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 02:11:26 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 21, 2013, 11:13:57 PM
OK I will let this one go. I think you have a pretty good handle on DIII ball - even with your obvious bias, but based on your responses you don't have too good a handle on the pro process. Actually you are not alone as there are a lot of rules that most people do not understand and teams will do lots of moves with players to maximize their control over them so they can delay the time until they can declare for free agency. Frankly most never make it that far.

I have some of the stats somewhere but only 7% of all drafted players make it to the MLB. There is a very high percentage that make it and "get a cup of coffee" and are done after a year or two. If I can find the stats I will post them, It is a very brutal business, disguised as a kids game.....but it is magical ;)

I have a pretty good handle on the pro process...enough to know that scouts aren't the ones making the calls on draft day. Front office folks may ask them for advice and have a head scout in the war room, but they don't have the say so. Also enough to have known some pretty sketchy associate scouts and seen some really good D-III players not get drafted and have to go through independent ball (and sometimes stand out there but never get signed). I spent an entire season following the Appalachian League one year. I went to every Appy League park except Kingsport that summer. Part of a couple of others I spent around the Frontier League. I saw Adam Wainwright's pro debut, along with about 20 other people. It's been a while, but i can't imagine it's changed that much.

My solution, if you want to call it that, is to look for more than just potential. Guys that can do things rather than guys that might be able to do things someday. Especially for college players...high school guys I can see handling differently. But for a guy that's been in college 3-4 years, seems to me that if he hasn't managed to figure the game out enough to have success, then there's a good chance he never will. Conversely, if a guy is a standout player in college, chances are he'll continue to play well as a pro.

I think assigning potential is a dangerous thing. I like what an NFL scout said about Tavon Austin's ability to learn an NFL playbook. He said (paraphrasing) "he's not a quick study and it's going to take some time, but he'll get it because it's important to him. He'll put in the work." Some guys will put in the work and get more out of their bodies and minds than many thought they had. Others won't. But if you set limits on guys that have already shown they'll put in the work to be standout players, then you'll never know what they really can do. You rarely know how good a guy can really be, no matter how much you think you do.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 22, 2013, 08:17:38 AM
Spence - As much as I disagree with a lot of what you have said, you did make one very solid point in your last post: There is a human element to everything in life, and that is true for baseball as well. Some players are destined to be great, and refuse to let anything get in the way. They refuse to let anybody out work them. Others may try to slack a bit on the practice side and rely on God given talent. Scouts do their very best to determine what kind of a character, work ethic, and morals a kid has, but one never truly knows until they get out on their own (especially with drafting high school players). I mean, Josh Hamilton was considered to be one of the cleanest, hard working, high level of morals, and hard working kids to ever come out, and we saw where his career took him.

I disagree with your point that if a guy is a standout player in college, chances are he'll continue to play well as a pro (especially for D3 kids). I love to see as many D3 kids go pro as possible; after all, I played D3 ball; however, it is just a different level that players who play lower level of collegiate ball are not typically prepared for. A typical D3 hitter may see 1-2 pitchers a year than can touch 90 consistently, and if they can, chances are their secondary pitches aren't all that great or they'd be playing a higher level of ball (there certainly are exceptions, like Herget, Chrismon, and several others). Once they get to that next level, they see that kind of stuff day in and day out.

With our VBL team, we tend to shy away from D3 hitters. Not because they may not be able to play at that level; but it takes a while to make an adjustment to that type of pitching. There is a learning curve, and by the time they figure it out, we are halfway (or more) through our season. Connor Madden (CNU) was one of the few D3 hitters we've had that from Day 1 showed he could play/hit at that level. But for the most part we stick with hitters who have seen something similar to the caliber of pitching they will see all summer. Now, we have no issues signing D3 pitchers (I think we've had 5 or 6 in our 2 years so far, with a few . more coming this summer, Chrismon from CNU and Tucci from VWC). We are just a bit hesitant towards position players.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 12:45:18 PM
I appreciate your thoughts previous to the VBL point, so I'll skip to that.

I understand that it's hard to get a bead on some D-III hitters, but this doesn't seem to bear itself out in other instances. Derek Smith was 3rd on his team in OBP in Cape Cod last summer (didn't get as many ABs probably because he was a D-III guy, but performed when he did), Josh Ungerbuehler hit .300 in the Great Lakes League, Aaron Hopper did really well the year before in the same league, there are quite a number of players in the Northwoods League from the power programs in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Colin Radack and Dan Fiorito are position players that made Baseball America's top 10 prospects in their leagues (Great Lakes and New York I think). Wes Meadows hit .302 with power for Edenton. Sean Ryan and Connor Bierfeldt were standouts in the Futures League. I'm sure there are more but it's kind of tedious to find them.

And that's just who I recognize as being D-III by name, since many leagues have erased last year's rosters from their sites.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 22, 2013, 02:11:26 AM
My solution, if you want to call it that, is to look for more than just potential. Guys that can do things rather than guys that might be able to do things someday. Especially for college players...high school guys I can see handling differently. But for a guy that's been in college 3-4 years, seems to me that if he hasn't managed to figure the game out enough to have success, then there's a good chance he never will. Conversely, if a guy is a standout player in college, chances are he'll continue to play well as a pro.
there isn't a major professional league that treats its draft as a reward for a good collegiate career, which is what you're suggesting here - in every major sport, players are drafted for their upside and potential, things they might do, not things they've done - with all due respect, i think the teams, which have a lot more skin in the game than you do, have devised a superior system - it's not fool-proof, but it seems to be working
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2013, 02:07:15 PM
you also seem to have lots of venom toward scouts, and you've talked frequently about d3 guys who scouts "missed"...this isn't going to be super popular on this site, but most of the time if a scout has "missed" a potential prospect, the following list of folks have, too:

scouts when the player was a high school senior
any division 1 coaching staff
any division 2 coaching staff
all of the good junior college coaching staffs

i know there are exceptions and there are actually d3 players who turn down d1/d2/juco offers (especially the latter two options), but the bottom line is that scouts aren't the only one that missed out on this special talent...when you think about it, the fact that d3 guys get drafted at all speaks directly against your points about scouts "missing" guys...scouts are so anxious to find talent that they will go find guys who were overlooked by college coaches whose livelihood is directly tied to finding talented players - chris perry was on campus and played 2 years of fall ball at uncw but couldn't crack the spring roster, and he was drafted in the top half of the draft...i'd say the uncw coaching staff "missed" him, and he was literally right under their nose!

guys who have tools that project to potential at the next level get drafted, guys who don't, don't
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
spence - if you want further proof that minor league ball is about major league potential, look no further than blake maxwell...

at 26, maxwell put up the following line between AA and AAA

73.2 IP, 2.44 ERA, 65 K, 21 BB, approx. .240 BAA, 16 saves

for his career, he put up the following numbers http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/67024, which are very respectable...at the AA and AAA level he had a 3.92 era in 240+ innings with a 2.5/1 K/BB rate

at 27 he is out of professional baseball

why? because the big league clubs (every one of them) felt like they had seen his full potential and his tools didn't project

if blake maxwell doesn't get a chance after putting up solid numbers at AA and AAA ball, why should you expect some .370 hitting, 5'11/175lb d3 shortstop with below average power, speed and arm strength (if those things were above average, he likely would have been drafted) to get a shot?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 22, 2013, 03:08:38 PM
Narch,
Buddy Hernandez was in the same situation in the Braves organization.  He spent at least 3 years at AAA and never got up to big club.  He had some really good stats but after 2007 and a 3.13 ERA that year he was out of baseball.  If you would have looked at his A and AA stats and 1st two years of AAA you would of thought he was on the fast track to the bigs.   
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 04:04:24 PM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 22, 2013, 02:11:26 AM
My solution, if you want to call it that, is to look for more than just potential. Guys that can do things rather than guys that might be able to do things someday. Especially for college players...high school guys I can see handling differently. But for a guy that's been in college 3-4 years, seems to me that if he hasn't managed to figure the game out enough to have success, then there's a good chance he never will. Conversely, if a guy is a standout player in college, chances are he'll continue to play well as a pro.
there isn't a major professional league that treats its draft as a reward for a good collegiate career, which is what you're suggesting here -

No, it really isn't. But you don't seem to be alone in your misunderstanding. I pretty much don't care anymore. Scouts can keep overlooking guys in favor of 6-4 guys with 6 ERAs for all I care.

As for replies to your other posts, I kind of feel like you're making my point for me. It verges into things I don't really want to go into detail about though. Suffice it to say that some programs and organizations are better at spotting and developing talent than others. Some programs can take high school players that were overlooked and turn them into prospects. Some can't. Sometimes they're taking guys that no one thought could be players and making them players, and others times they aren't. I've seen guys turn down D-I invites to play D-III. Doesn't happen as often as it used to, but still happens. Probably should happen more often...not sure why you'd rather go to a low D-I program that will never win anything and has no history of success over a top D-III.

IMO, a few of the top D-III coaches are among the best in the game at any level at doing that. You look at how many times it's happened and you have to realize it's not an accident. Sometimes guys end up getting drafted and sometimes they don't.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 22, 2013, 04:21:48 PM
Why are some teams from the USA south still playing? Only team I see getting in is Methodist because they won the tourney. CNU, I believe has had too many bad losses. If they get in that is rediculous. Baseball is too political.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: USASfan on April 22, 2013, 04:21:48 PM
Why are some teams from the USA south still playing? Only team I see getting in is Methodist because they won the tourney. CNU, I believe has had too many bad losses. If they get in that is rediculous. Baseball is too political.

The games were already scheduled. The USAS tournament is the earliest in the country (thanks, Averett!). It would be unfair to the opponent to just cancel those games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 22, 2013, 05:26:17 PM
I actually see players deciding to play D3 ball over D1 ball more often these days. It doesn't always happen right out of high school, but after redshirting one year and riding pine a 2nd year, plenty of kids transfer to smaller schools to get more PT. I played with several guys at CNU (myself included) who had chances to play at small D1 schools but decided to go play at CNU. The reason I chose it was because I've never been who sat the bench well, so I decided to go to CNU to play right away and to play collegiate baseball with brother. I would take playing more and winning a lot of games at a top notch D2 or D3 school over a lower level D1 school any day, but then again that's just my opinion.

USASfan - I agree, CNU has some losses, but I believe they will still get a berth based on their baseball pedigree (which would be your statment 'baseball is too political'). Methodist is obviously in, whoever wins the ODAC is in, and Salisbury is a lock to be in, but after that the field is wide open. Arguments could be made for CNU, Shenandoah, Bridgewater, B-SC, Huntingdon, etc. CNU is ranked higher than all of those others schools (in the national ranking) and with the CNU name carrying a bit of weight from past season success, I see them getting in. I don't see the #17 team in the nation not getting in.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 07:06:24 PM
The committee couldn't care less about the rankings.

I think CNU is in trouble for a bid. Under .700 region winning percentage and 200+ in-region SOS.

Huntingdon and Salisbury are locks. After that, Millsaps and Birmingham Southern have a better chance, IMO, as does the Bridgewater/Shenandoah Pool C entrant.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 22, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
I think that CNU will level out and be in good shape if;

Bridgewater wins the ODAC - Two more loses for Shenandoah (played a weak schedule if you look at the OWP) and things are very tight with CNU
Birmingham Southern is already out and has to play tourney
Milsap is on the edge with tourney left also but....
Salisbury is in CAC
Think Huntingdon is Pool B
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on April 22, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
I think CNU (29-12) still has a good chance to get a bid.  Shenandoah is 27-10 and unless they win the ODAC tourney will have at least 12 losses, and did not win their conference regular season title like CNU did.  BSC is already w/ 13 losses and has not played its' conference tourney. BSC could end up w/ 15 losses if they don't win their tourney. Of course Salisbury won the CAC automatic.  Bridgewater I think could be the only opponent to CNU not getting a bid. If they don't win the ODAC they may get the bid over CNU as both teams won their conferences. Huntington I believe will get a pool B and Millsaps won their conference vs BSC which I believe does not get an at-large in the conferences last year either. So that may put them in pool B. I don't think there is any politics involved. If you look at the whole body of work instead of a few games at the end of the year. Then CNU has had a good year w/ a young group of new players.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2013, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on April 22, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
I think CNU (29-12) still has a good chance to get a bid.  Shenandoah is 27-10 and unless they win the ODAC tourney will have at least 12 losses, and did not win their conference regular season title like CNU did.  BSC is already w/ 13 losses and has not played its' conference tourney. BSC could end up w/ 15 losses if they don't win their tourney. Of course Salisbury won the CAC automatic.  Bridgewater I think could be the only opponent to CNU not getting a bid. If they don't win the ODAC they may get the bid over CNU as both teams won their conferences. Huntington I believe will get a pool B and Millsaps won their conference vs BSC which I believe does not get an at-large in the conferences last year either. So that may put them in pool B. I don't think there is any politics involved. If you look at the whole body of work instead of a few games at the end of the year. Then CNU has had a good year w/ a young group of new players.
winning a regular season conference tournament is not a selection criteria...nor is national ranking - cnu has a tough row to hoe..
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 12:17:40 AM
Pretty sure the SAA is Pool B this year.

Some people could get a rude awakening with the first set of regional rankings.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 23, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Bad lost for CNU vs Randolph Macon (regional).  Could have gotten to 30 wins but couldn't hold on to the lead with Chrismon struggling all game.  CNU only played 39 regular season games and I believe they are allowed 40.  I am thinking outside the box here, but why not try to squeeze a game vs. maybe #14 Keystone (27-7), #19 Ramapo (22-8-1), Shenandoah (27-10) or even Penn-State Harrisburg (23-11) who still have room in their schedule?  Wouldn't a win vs these opponents help their chances?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on April 23, 2013, 09:24:40 AM
CNU actually has a rain out with Salisbury they could reschedule and I do not understand why they haven't unless Salisbury has said no.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on April 23, 2013, 09:24:40 AM
CNU actually has a rain out with Salisbury they could reschedule and I do not understand why they haven't unless Salisbury has said no.

Yeah that's pretty hard to figure. IMO teams should play as many games as allowed...why would you let kids who work so hard play any less? The ridiculous NCAA rules are restrictive enough.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 23, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
We played a total of 51 games at NCWC in 98 & 99.  In 98 we had played 45 going into regionals.  I would have loved to have played more games myself. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 23, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
i'm sure harvell is working the phones, trying to get in a game for cnu...i can remember many seasons when mu was in a similar situation and added games after the conference tourney - for salisbury, there isn't necessarily upside for them to re-schedule cnu other than it being the right thing to do...why potentially help a team that could beat you get into the regionals?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on April 23, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
We played a total of 51 games at NCWC in 98 & 99.  In 98 we had played 45 going into regionals.  I would have loved to have played more games myself.

Most people would. The 40 games restriction is ridiculous. Some teams now go to Florida and only play 4-5 games rather than 10-15. It hasn't made any difference as far as number of midweek games that would restrict class time, or anything like that.

I remember around that time when you had the Two-Tournament Rule and Marietta played a 3-day weekend round robin. One year Ferrum came up, another year Methodist did. They both brought up really good teams. We scheduled 60 or so games but never got that many in. Now you schedule 40 and if you get a bunch of rainouts you're scrambling to make up games. It's just dumb.

Kids go to D-III because they want to play baseball, not because they're getting scholarship money to play. I don't know why you'd restrict games more just because kids aren't getting scholarships.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 23, 2013, 02:19:13 PM
Spence and Narch,
I agree with you both.  Salisbury still has games available in their schedule...but I do not think it's in their best interest to play CNU, as a lost vs the Captains may push CNU over the top.

As for the 40 game restrictions...completely stupid.  I remember when NCWC made it to regionals in 2008 and we had 3 weeks before first game vs York.  Team was flat...I thought they should have played maybe 3 more times to stay sharp.  Practice is great but there's nothing like game tempo.  They should allow DIII to increase it's limit to at least 45 games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
I think whatever the limit is, that's what it should be for all divisions. Educational demands don't change based on whether you're getting a scholarship or not. If D-I athletes can do it, so can D-III.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 23, 2013, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 23, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
I think whatever the limit is, that's what it should be for all divisions. Educational demands don't change based on whether you're getting a scholarship or not. If D-I athletes can do it, so can D-III.

This statements shows your lack of understanding in the differences between divisions and the academic demands placed on students. I have had several high academic DIII student-athletes tell me that there is no way they could be playing D1 sports (baseball) and take the academic loads they have at the DIII level. Additionally D1 students have better transportation arrangements, tutors and other help that are not part DIII sports.

I do agree with others that slightly increasing the games to 43-55 would not be to onerous.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 23, 2013, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 23, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
I think whatever the limit is, that's what it should be for all divisions. Educational demands don't change based on whether you're getting a scholarship or not. If D-I athletes can do it, so can D-III.

This statements shows your lack of understanding in the differences between divisions and the academic demands placed on students. I have had several high academic DIII student-athletes tell me that there is no way they could be playing D1 sports (baseball) and take the academic loads they have at the DIII level. Additionally D1 students have better transportation arrangements, tutors and other help that are not part DIII sports.

You may disagree as is your right, but do not EVER confuse your disagreement with me with my lack of understanding of anything about this sport.

That's all I'm gonna say because that's all you deserve.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 23, 2013, 10:51:34 PM
.......................hear ye' hear ye' all bow down to the mighty Spence, knower of all that is baseball DIII ............
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2013, 02:24:42 AM
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Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 24, 2013, 09:17:24 AM
Several D3 baseball players do take a different course load in the spring than they would be able to (or want to) at the D1 level. D1 college baseball players are on the road much more than D3. That gap closed a bit when the USAS switched back to a 3 game weekend series, forcing teams to travel on Thursday evenings instead of Friday evenings, but nonetheless D1 teams do travel more.

The educational demands are the same across all divisions (with some schools being tougher than others, like Harvard, Emory, etc.), but for the most part the kids need 120 credits to graduate. Some may just consider it tougher to do at the D1 level in the spring due to the number of classes missed.

I also know many baseball players who take 6 classes in the fall, or 1 in the summer, to allow them to take only 4 in the spring semester. I would always take an online class over the summer, which let me do this. It was very nice only having 4 courses in the spring.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on April 24, 2013, 10:54:26 AM
I know I only took 4 courses in the Spring.  But I did take the 5 year college path.  2 at a JUCO and 3 at NCWC. 
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2013, 12:00:10 PM
Yep. Taking labs or night classes in the fall is another tactic. Where there's a will, there's a way.

There are D3 athletes that play more than one varsity sport. So the myth that D-III athletes just couldn't handle more, is just that. There are also D-I athletes that graduate in 3 years. You also can't convince me that Ivy League (or Duke or Vanderbilt...you get the idea) athletes can handle their workloads, but an MIT kid or Marietta petroleum engineering major can't. That's really being insulting to the D-III player.

But again, I'm unconvinced that it would even make much difference for class time missed. D-I max is 56 games, right? Most teams would just play more games down south and a midseason weekend tournament or two and you're most of the way to the difference between 40 and 56. Maybe 2-3 extra DH dates. Teams already in the south have more time to get their games in, and playing more games would be no problem at all.

The only challenge I can see is with schools in Minnesota, but if those schools had been able to schedule more games, they could have planned better and built more trips into the schedule.

We're not talking about the days when Wichita played 80+ games in a season. The D-III record for games played in a season I think is 65, that counts tournaments and all.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2013, 01:37:00 PM
spence - while i am certain that you understand d3 athletics very well (if i didn't think that, i just need to look a few posts down to see your thoughts on the subject  ;)), your posts don't reflect that you understand the d3 philosophy very well - i don't think anyone questions the d3 student-athlete's ability to handle the load - d3 schools have chosen a philosophy that says the educational experience is more important to them than the athletic experience, hence fewer games and more restrictions

sure, d3 student-athletes could play more games (and i don't think you'd find many student-athletes who would argue against additional games on their schedule), but d3 schools have chosen to participate in a division which limits the number of games so that students can maximize the collegiate experience, both inside and outside of the classroom - i choose to celebrate and applaud this rather than complain about and bash it - i can guarantee you the majority of d3 student-athletes have the opportunity to build much more impressive non-athletic resumes than their d1 (and even d2) counterparts - that resume is the only one that matters for 98% of college athletes (probably 99.8% of d3 athletes)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2013, 01:44:12 PM
I think I understand it just fine.

I also think people here often just pretend to read what I write, rather than actually reading and understanding it.

You really think a couple extra doubleheaders a year and playing more ball on a spring trip is going to impact the ability to build a resume? Give me a break.

You can guarantee me nothing of the sort.

The 40-game limit exists because many D-III schools want to run quasi-recreational programs but still be able to boost enrollment by attracting students with their program. Similar game limits in softball are even more ridiculous, given that you can often play a softball game in the time it would take to have a meal at a good steakhouse.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 24, 2013, 09:39:58 PM
Spence - I agree with you in that educational demands are the same across all divisons. And that D3 athletes could handle a course load in the spring at larger schools. But I know for a fact D1 baseball players miss more classroom time than D3 baseball players. Whether it is a significant amount more, or slightly more, is the bigger question. D1 athletes generally travel more often, and longer distances, for the majority of their games when compared to D3 kids. In my 4 years at CNU, we never once stayed overnight for a weekday game, unless we were on a spring break trip. While D1 does not do it often, they have done it on occasion. Several guys I played with in the VBL had it occur, as well as several kids we have now.

Regardless, all baseball players (across all divisons) miss plenty of classroom time in the spring. They also miss more classroom time that several other sports (football, for example, where your schedule is pre-determined every week). Student-athletes, especially at the D3 level where they are not receiving a ton of scholarship money (zero athletic money, just depends on if the school could get them academic money), put in a lot of time, effort, and long hours to play the game the love and maintain grades.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2013, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 24, 2013, 01:44:12 PM
I also think people here often just pretend to read what I write, rather than actually reading and understanding it.
even though i'm from the south, i'm purty good at understanding stuff :)...when you say that you think d3 restrictions on games are ridiculous, there aren't too many ways it can be interpreted by an intelligent person

i get it...you want d3 schools to play more games and you think it can be done...and i agree that it can be done - the question is should it be done? i think many who embrace the d3 philosophy think the system works just fine right now - in my mind, there is a nice balance with the schedule as it is now

if you think that there aren't more athletic demands placed on d1 or d2 players, i think you simply don't know what you're talking about - not long ago, i spoke to a d1 coach whose son was a d1 caliber player - this is a direct quote "my son could play baseball for me and nobody would question it...he's a legit d1 prospect, but i want him to look at d3 schools because i want him to do something other than play baseball in college"...we continued to have conversations about the demands baseball places on his players, and the fact that his players rarely do much beyond go to class, work out and play baseball - ultimately, his son ended up playing for him, though :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2013, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on April 24, 2013, 09:39:58 PM

Regardless, all baseball players (across all divisons) miss plenty of classroom time in the spring. They also miss more classroom time that several other sports (football, for example, where your schedule is pre-determined every week). Student-athletes, especially at the D3 level where they are not receiving a ton of scholarship money (zero athletic money, just depends on if the school could get them academic money), put in a lot of time, effort, and long hours to play the game the love and maintain grades.

To me this is the real crux of the thing. Well put on all accounts.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 24, 2013, 10:57:21 PM
Quote from: narch on April 24, 2013, 10:07:36 PM

if you think that there aren't more athletic demands placed on d1 or d2 players, i think you simply don't know what you're talking about - not long ago, i spoke to a d1 coach whose son was a d1 caliber player - this is a direct quote "my son could play baseball for me and nobody would question it...he's a legit d1 prospect, but i want him to look at d3 schools because i want him to do something other than play baseball in college"...we continued to have conversations about the demands baseball places on his players, and the fact that his players rarely do much beyond go to class, work out and play baseball - ultimately, his son ended up playing for him, though :)

And I'm sure there aren't any conflicting anecdotes at all. Pretty good school named after a railroad tycoon out west has a baseball program some have heard of.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on April 25, 2013, 12:20:06 AM
When my son was being recruited we found that the only D1 schools that would accommodate engineering/science schedules were Stanford and UCDavis. Both programs allowed for afternoon lab classes. All of the other D1's that he was recruited by did not. Trevor Bauer dropped eng at UCLA because he could not do both baseball and engineering. There are a handful of other programs but not many, anyone who thinks otherwise does not know what they are talking about.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2013, 12:31:53 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 25, 2013, 12:20:06 AM
When my son was being recruited we found that the only D1 schools that would accommodate engineering/science schedules were Stanford and UCDavis. Both programs allowed for afternoon lab classes. All of the other D1's that he was recruited by did not. Trevor Bauer dropped eng at UCLA because he could not do both baseball and engineering. There are a handful of other programs but not many, anyone who thinks otherwise does not know what they are talking about.

Some schools are more accomodating than others. That is true. But that's not a limitation that necessarily has to be there in D3...it's imposed by the coach.

But regardless, it's advisable to take as many afternoon or night classes in fall and summer as you can if you're a ballplayer. That's just good sense.

So did he end up going to Stanford or UC Davis?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 25, 2013, 07:01:21 AM
That is a very good point. Some programs and coaches are more accomdating to players academic schedules than others. I can really only speak for CNU, which isn't a good example because we are mainly referring to D1 and/or D2 here, but CNU's Coaching Staff would always let a kid out for class, regardless of whether it was the Fall or Spring Semester. Again, this is a bad example because players at the D3 level aren't getting paid scholarship money to play the game.

Another issue is the professors in the classroom. Some are very open to the idea of having an athlete and knowing they will miss several classes, while others resent athletes and are less willing to help a kid make up for lost classroom time. Even at such a small school as CNU we had professors who would not extend a helping hand to an athlete who missed a few days.

Let's just put it this way: Collegiate baseball players put in a ton of time, both athletically and academically, to try and be successful at both (obviously some could care less about grades and just try to maintain a GPA high enough to stay on the team). This is true accross all divisions.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 25, 2013, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 24, 2013, 10:57:21 PMAnd I'm sure there aren't any conflicting anecdotes at all. Pretty good school named after a railroad tycoon out west has a baseball program some have heard of.
i'm certain that there are conflicting anecdotes, but i can assure you that from where i sit, i don't hear many of them (and i hear much more than the single anecdote given...i chose that particular one because of the source) - i don't think there are many d1 coaches who are going to be excited about their star athlete singing in multiple vocal ensembles, holding an office in student government, leading student organizations, or playing another sport, yet those things are commonplace at the d3 level (there is a higher percentage of 2 sport athletes in d3 than there are in d1 and d2 combined) - part of the reason this is possible is the fact that d3 schools don't play as many games and/or travel the great distances that d1's do and part is due to the d3 philosophy that student-athletes should do these things - you've spent a great deal of time debating the ability to schedule more games (and i haven't seen anyone disagree that it could be done), but you've yet to address your philosophical differences with the d3 ethos
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 27, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
mu sweeps Wesley today to improve to 24-20...what started as a season that might be the worst in the Tom Austin era has ended well...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 27, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
nice MU ;D
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 29, 2013, 11:31:08 PM
Randolph Macon College wins ODAC tourney and puts CNU in serious jeopardy for an at-large bid with Bridgewater in the hunt now at 31-11.

I don't see Shenandoah having a shot.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on April 30, 2013, 01:18:16 PM
You are correct. R-MC's winning the ODAC automatic bid puts CNU on the hot seat (more so than the were already). I also agree that I believe that about knocks Shenandoah out of contention for a regional birth, unless they are shipped somewhere.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on May 02, 2013, 09:53:57 AM
CNU does not deserve a bid. I dont care that they are ranked 24th. They shouldnt be. Look at some of there losses. and a tie to HSU. Although i would say they get a bid over SU. SU has always played a weak schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
USASfan - Which losses of theirs do you consider to be so bad? I agree they are on the borderline for regionals, but I find hard to say they completely do not deserve a bid. The tie with H-SC is probably the worst, along with the 1 loss to Greensboro; but the rest are all against very solid clubs (Bridgewater, R-MC, Salisbury, LaGrange, Piedmont, Averett) The NCWC losses are tough as well, but it's not like they lost to the Deaf and the Blind.

R-MC winning the ODAC without a doubt hurts, but I still believe CNU will get in by some team in the South shipping out to another regional. Plus, if Bridgewater were to lose to Wesley, that puts them neck and neck with CNU record wise. With CNU and BC splitting, and CNU likely potentially having a higher ranking (if BC loses to Wesley, you would add 3 losses to their record from the time the last rankings came out, which would drop them from the 19 spot...they will already drop some with the 2 losses to R-MC), you can make an argument for CNU getting in over them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
USASfan - Which losses of theirs do you consider to be so bad? I agree they are on the borderline for regionals, but I find hard to say they completely do not deserve a bid. The tie with H-SC is probably the worst, along with the 1 loss to Greensboro; but the rest are all against very solid clubs (Bridgewater, R-MC, Salisbury, LaGrange, Piedmont, Averett) The NCWC losses are tough as well, but it's not like they lost to the Deaf and the Blind.

R-MC winning the ODAC without a doubt hurts, but I still believe CNU will get in by some team in the South shipping out to another regional. Plus, if Bridgewater were to lose to Wesley, that puts them neck and neck with CNU record wise. With CNU and BC splitting, and CNU likely potentially having a higher ranking (if BC loses to Wesley, you would add 3 losses to their record from the time the last rankings came out, which would drop them from the 19 spot...they will already drop some with the 2 losses to R-MC), you can make an argument for CNU getting in over them.

Bridgewater's region record is nowhere close to being neck and neck with CNU. Bridgewater is 30-6, CNU is 27-12-1 with a weaker SOS. Shenandoah has a better region record and a higher SOS as well. I think only Bridgewater gets in.

CNU's record against regionally ranked teams is sparse and not very good. 0-1 vs. Salisbury, 1-1 vs. Bridgewater. If Randolph-Macon is in the next regional rankings, that won't be a help. Way too many low SOS non-conference games on their schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
I'm looking forward to next season when the criteria changes to all games against DIII opponents counts, either for you or against you. Bridgewater goes to CA, goes 1-4, and it doesn't negatively impact them at all.

Bridgewater's record against ranked teams is about the same, as they are 1-1 (split with CNU, Shenandoah is not ranked). Against common opponents (which were H-SC, EMU, R-MC, VWC, UMW, Ferrum, and the Apprentice School), CNU & BC have comprable numbers; however, CNU is slightly better. CNU is 10-2-1, while BC is 11-5. While it does not count against or for either team, let's not forget BC got blown out by the Apprentice School (who is good this year), while CNU beat them twice. CNU has always played a tough schedule; however, the reason for their SOS being lower than usual this year is because the switch from 2 to 3 conference games forced them to not be able to bring down the strong teams for the NE they typically did (Rowan, Cortland St, etc.).

CNU did lose to Salisbury, at Salisbury (which has one of the biggest home field advantages around), but CNU had to start Emerson, who is a backend bullpen guy. If CNU throws Chrismon, Taylor, or Bierlein, it could have been a different story. Let's also not forget Salisbury did not re-schedule the trip down to CNU to play.

All I am saying is that BC is not 'hands down' over CNU when it comes to selection for regionals. It is close as we speak/type today, and will only become even closer if they lose to Wesley.

Shenandoah shouldn't even be mentioned here. They hardly ever play anyone, and if you think SU gets in over CNU then you are really reaching here!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 04:26:05 PM

Shenandoah shouldn't even be mentioned here. They hardly ever play anyone, and if you think SU gets in over CNU then you are really reaching here!

They have a higher SOS and better region winning % than CNU. So they must have played someone.

I don't think either CNU or Shenandoah are getting in, though. Why didn't CNU play Shenandoah rather than Apprentice, which they knew wasn't going to count toward consideration? Why has CNU not played their 40th game? Call Marietta and see about going up there Monday, they still have games to play. Huntingdon had a game cancelled and is a game short...go down there.

If they don't play that last game, CNU has no one to blame but themselves for not getting in.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 04:55:41 PM
SU may have a higher SOS and regional winning %, but I can bet you they wouldn't make it in over CNU as an at-large bid.

The CNU v SU game(s) is a good question, as it developed into a great rivarly over the last few years. I hated to see it end. From what I understand, neither team is truly interested in the playing the other in a home and away. Both teams would have about a 4 hour drive, and despite the potential to increase regional winning % and SOS, why would CNU want to travel that distance to play on one of the worst fields around?

Marietta has played 33 games, and still has 5 games plus their tournament. It's also about a 7 hour drive, so I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 05:04:14 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 04:55:41 PM
SU may have a higher SOS and regional winning %, but I can bet you they wouldn't make it in over CNU as an at-large bid.

The CNU v SU game(s) is a good question, as it developed into a great rivarly over the last few years. I hated to see it end. From what I understand, neither team is truly interested in the playing the other in a home and away. Both teams would have about a 4 hour drive, and despite the potential to increase regional winning % and SOS, why would CNU want to travel that distance to play on one of the worst fields around?

Marietta has played 33 games, and still has 5 games plus their tournament. It's also about a 7 hour drive, so I don't see that happening.

Maybe CNU/SU should play at a neutral site then if the field at Shenandoah is an issue. CNU played too many Eastern Mennonites and Gallaudets and Virginia Wesleyans, in addition to the two Apprentice games. The distance shouldn't be an excuse...CNU is always gonna have to travel to play quality opponents because there just aren't that many choices for them.

My guess is that Marietta will add at least one more game. They don't usually like to come up short if they can help it -- guys go there to play ball games. At a quick glance, it looks like Huntingdon, William Paterson and Ramapo are gonna be short regular season games. I'm guessing all of those are in region, though I'm honestly not certain.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on May 02, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
What I do not understand is that the 1 game CNU is missing is a rain out against Salisbury. Why not just play it?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
If you review SU's schedule, they did not play a single USAS team. This shows me it is more of an SU issue than a CNU issue, as from what I hear CNU is willing to play SU still.

I do not know for certain, but my guess is Salisbury will not come down and play it. What good would traveling to CNU do for Salisbury? It's not worth it for them.

CNU has played the EMU's, VWC's, and Gallaudets for the past several years. That is not the issue. Their SOS is not the same because the change to a 3 game conference schedule forced them to be unable to schedule early season weekend games with Rowan, Cortland St, Tufts, etc, as they have done in the past. It's slightly  funny because the teams the make up CNU's "weak" schedule are the same teams that make up the majority of the ODAC, which is BC and SU's own conference (EMU, H-SC, VWC).

The Apprentice School is a great way to get two games in for both teams without traveling...And in case you haven't realize, the Apprentice School is a fine baseball program. They are 32-8 and beat the brakes off of BC. They also only lost to Salisbury by 1 (4-3 Final Score). It may not count towards regional rankings, but the Apprentice School gives CNU two games against a quality opponent without being forced to travel. 

Huntingdon is in the South region, but do you really see a team traveling to AL to play 1 game?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 07:20:16 PM

CNU has played the EMU's, VWC's, and Gallaudets for the past several years. That is not the issue.

It is the issue. Because if you know you're going to be playing more league games, you can't have your non-league games be against trash.

Their SOS is not the same because the change to a 3 game conference schedule forced them to be unable to schedule early season weekend games with Rowan, Cortland St, Tufts, etc, as they have done in the past. It's slightly  funny because the teams the make up CNU's "weak" schedule are the same teams that make up the majority of the ODAC, which is BC and SU's own conference (EMU, H-SC, VWC).

Yes, if you play the worst teams in the other league, that's going to hurt you.

The Apprentice School is a great way to get two games in for both teams without traveling...And in case you haven't realize, the Apprentice School is a fine baseball program. They are 32-8 and beat the brakes off of BC. They also only lost to Salisbury by 1 (4-3 Final Score). It may not count towards regional rankings, but the Apprentice School gives CNU two games against a quality opponent without being forced to travel. 

And none of that matters.

Huntingdon is in the South region, but do you really see a team traveling to AL to play 1 game?

Depends...do you want in the regional or not? May be your only hope. They're #1 in the region now. Or offer to meet them somewhere else, Piedmont maybe. They have a nice field.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
CNU can potentially get into regionals without making a trip to AL to play Huntingdon. Also, Huntingdon would never in there right mind meet CNU at a neutral field. What do they have to gain by doing so? Nothing. Piedmont does have a very nice field though.

It's not like Bridgewater has a schedule loaded with tough out of conference opposition either (see Messiah, Juniata, Ferrum, etc.). BC's SOS comes in an 143, while CNU's comes in at 182.

BC's rankings in the new regional rankings, as well as national rankings, do not include their 10th and 11th loss of the season (double dipped by R-MC in ODAC Title Game).

I'm by no means trying to 'hate' on BC. They had a wonderful season. Heck, I live 20 minutes from their field. I simply wanted to point out that writing off CNU as an at large bid, and stating they are 'not deserving', is false.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
CNU can potentially get into regionals without making a trip to AL to play Huntingdon. Also, Huntingdon would never in there right mind meet CNU at a neutral field. What do they have to gain by doing so? Nothing. Piedmont does have a very nice field though.

Some teams just like to play the amount of baseball they can play. Plus, Huntingdon is gonna be in no matter what so they don't have anything to lose either. They went to Ohio already this year so they don't mind traveling. But I would say the onus is on CNU...they need the game. Sub .700 percentage and a highly mediocre SOS = out.

It's not like Bridgewater has a schedule loaded with tough out of conference opposition either (see Messiah, Juniata, Ferrum, etc.). BC's SOS comes in an 143, while CNU's comes in at 182.

That's not a small difference, but the biggest difference is Bridgewater won a lot more games against their somewhat better schedule. If CNU had gone 31-9, there wouldn't be a question right now. But they didn't.

BC's rankings in the new regional rankings, as well as national rankings, do not include their 10th and 11th loss of the season (double dipped by R-MC in ODAC Title Game).

I'm by no means trying to 'hate' on BC. They had a wonderful season. Heck, I live 20 minutes from their field. I simply wanted to point out that writing off CNU as an at large bid, and stating they are 'not deserving', is false.

I made a list of 49 Pool C candidates based on recent history of at-large picks (I since deleted it because people on the thread were being jackasses and so they can have it). CNU wasn't on it. To get a Pool C where their SOS is, you pretty much have to be close to 80% wins. Being in the West region seems to help as well, for some reason.

At least people can disagree here without being accused of being bi-polar or biased. I appreciate that.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Yes, it is nice to see people just disagree, without it getting 'ugly.'

I believe part of what helped BC have a higher SOS is their conference. The USAS was relatively down this year, with only 3 teams having a winning % over .500. CNU, Averett (24-16), and Methodist (24-20). Whereas the ODAC had 7 teams with a winning % over .500 (BC, R-MC, SU, W&L, Guilford, Lynchburg, H-SC). I'm just making a general statement with that, not trying to continue the debate or prove any point. It generally seems like the ODAC was much stronger than the USAS this year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on May 02, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Yes, it is nice to see people just disagree, without it getting 'ugly.'

I believe part of what helped BC have a higher SOS is their conference. The USAS was relatively down this year, with only 3 teams having a winning % over .500. CNU, Averett (24-16), and Methodist (24-20). Whereas the ODAC had 7 teams with a winning % over .500 (BC, R-MC, SU, W&L, Guilford, Lynchburg, H-SC). I'm just making a general statement with that, not trying to continue the debate or prove any point. It generally seems like the ODAC was much stronger than the USAS this year.

Well, I remember when the USAS went to the 2 game series and why...and it was because the ODAC teams had an advantage on them pitching-wise because they were playing 2-gamers. I was surprised to see the USAS go back, even though it was making for 12 game conference schedules. It's harder to sweep 3 games than 2, obviously.

But yeah, the records for most of the USAS were pretty humdrum. CNU just needed to win more games in the league to set themselves up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 03, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
Say what you want but it is the "formula" that will determine who gets the at-large bid(s).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on May 03, 2013, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on May 02, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
What I do not understand is that the 1 game CNU is missing is a rain out against Salisbury. Why not just play it?
If I am correct you only get 19 total weeks of baseball in DIII excluding the regional and CWS. If CNU used their 4 weeks in the fall and started practice where they are now at 15 weeks in the spring.  Then they cannot play anymore games.  So they cannot make up any games at this point.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 03, 2013, 11:38:52 AM
Yes, rolln, you are correct. CNU is out of weeks, so they could not schedule another game if they'd like to.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2013, 12:49:47 PM
Fair enough. Didn't know they used weeks in the fall. I stand corrected on playing the extra game, though it could have been done previously.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 03, 2013, 01:08:08 PM
as an insider looking out, i don't think cnu has a shot to get a bid...low sos and regional win % have doomed them

if they somehow move ahead of bridgewater in the final regional rankings because bridgewater has two losses, cnu has an OUTSIDE shot, but as things stand right now, they're out

trust me, i've seen mu in much better condition from a sos and regional win % standpoint and get left out - if historical trends hold true, the capts. will be out, as well

what we are witnessing is a direct result of the usasac going to 3 game weekends - not only do those additional games prohibit usasac teams from playing as many strong weekday ooc opponents, but when teams do play those opponents, their pitching staff is shorter, perhaps causing usasac schools to lose more ooc contests than normal

those additional ooc losses, combined with more games against tough conference competition have weakened (perhaps artificially) the sos numbers for usasac teams, where a 2-1 weekend is considered a good weekend, but can hurt your regional win% and sos - i'm sure there are other strong conferences that have 3 game weekends, but i am of the opinion that usasac baseball this season was better than it looks on paper, in large part because of this change
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 04, 2013, 01:00:38 AM
Strength of schedule

The NCAA Division III postseason selection committee determines strength of schedule using opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage. A team's SOS is two-thirds opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and one-third opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP).

Those numbers follow, calculated by PrestoSports.

We've sorted these teams by their strength of schedule. This is only part of the process used to determine who will get selected to the NCAA Tournament.

Records and winning percentage are based on in-region games only. OWP: Opponents' winning percentage. OOWP: Opponents' opponents' winning percentage. SOS: two-thirds OWP and one-third OOWP.

                                Reg'l       Reg'l   OWP(Rank)  OOWP   NCAA
                                Rec         Win%

145 Bridgewater    30-6       .833   .5139 (166)   .5254    0.518

180 Shenandoah   24-10     .706   .5037 (200)   .5244    0.511

190 CNU             27-12-1     .688   .5081 (184)   .5091    0.508
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on May 04, 2013, 09:31:24 AM
Quote from: D-BAT on May 04, 2013, 01:00:38 AM
Strength of scheduleThere is no doubt Bridgewater has a better regional record. But if you look at both teams out of conference in region records they are very close.  Bridgewater is 8-3 and CNU is 8-4.  25 of Bridgewaters' 36 games in region are from ODAC competition. CNU has 27 of 42 games against USAS competition. Bridgewater had a fantastic season against mostly ODAC competition this year. They played 4 games vs USAS whereas, CNU played 9 games vs ODAC competition.

The NCAA Division III postseason selection committee determines strength of schedule using opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage. A team's SOS is two-thirds opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and one-third opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP).

Those numbers follow, calculated by PrestoSports.

We've sorted these teams by their strength of schedule. This is only part of the process used to determine who will get selected to the NCAA Tournament.

Records and winning percentage are based on in-region games only. OWP: Opponents' winning percentage. OOWP: Opponents' opponents' winning percentage. SOS: two-thirds OWP and one-third OOWP.

                                Reg'l       Reg'l   OWP(Rank)  OOWP   NCAA
                                Rec         Win%

145 Bridgewater    30-6       .833   .5139 (166)   .5254    0.518

180 Shenandoah   24-10     .706   .5037 (200)   .5244    0.511

190 CNU             27-12-1     .688   .5081 (184)   .5091    0.508
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on May 04, 2013, 07:34:58 PM
Looks like the CNU/Bridgewater discussion is over as Bridgewater wins 2 games today vs Wesley to improve to 33-11.  CNU has to hope all the other tourney one seeds win around the nation.  If some of the others lose they go to pool C w/ CNU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 04, 2013, 07:38:31 PM
Quote from: rolln2 on May 04, 2013, 07:34:58 PM
Looks like the CNU/Bridgewater discussion is over as Bridgewater wins 2 games today vs Wesley to improve to 33-11.  CNU has to hope all the other tourney one seeds win around the nation.  If some of the others lose they go to pool C w/ CNU.

That's already not going well. Kean is out in the NJAC tournament. Not that CNU has a real chance.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 05, 2013, 04:28:30 AM
Quote from: USASfan on May 02, 2013, 09:53:57 AM
CNU does not deserve a bid. I dont care that they are ranked 24th. They shouldnt be. Look at some of there losses. and a tie to HSU. Although i would say they get a bid over SU. SU has always played a weak schedule.

That's nonsense, SU's SOS is ranked 180 vs. CNU's 190.

Look at the numbers, one could say that SU has a slight edge over CNU but if the #1 seeds continue to get knocked out of their tourney's, then it's a moot point as both CNU and SU will be home for NCAA's.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 05, 2013, 04:50:40 AM
South Region Rankings ... May 2nd:

1   Huntingdon        28-8   30-9
2   Salisbury            25-4   30-7
3   Millsaps             29-8   32-11
4   Bridgewater       30-4   31-9
5   CNU                   27-12-1   29-12-1
6   Frostburg           21-12   23-14


D3Baseball's SOS and rest of the numbers as of May 5th:

  55 Huntingdon        28-8   .778   .5598 (49)   .5238    0.548

  85 Salisbury            25-4   .862   .5306 (114)   .5436    0.535

114 Frostburg          23-13   .639   .5242 (129)   .5324    0.527

132 Bridgewater      32-6   .842   .5164 (160)   .5303    0.521

175 Shenandoah    24-10   .706   .5051 (197)   .5262    0.512

184 CNU                  27-12-1   .688   .5099 (180)   .5096    0.510

198 Millsaps             29-8   .784   .5037 (203)   .5130    0.507
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2013, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on May 05, 2013, 04:28:30 AM
Quote from: USASfan on May 02, 2013, 09:53:57 AM
CNU does not deserve a bid. I dont care that they are ranked 24th. They shouldnt be. Look at some of there losses. and a tie to HSU. Although i would say they get a bid over SU. SU has always played a weak schedule.

That's nonsense, SU's SOS is ranked 180 vs. CNU's 190.

Look at the numbers, one could say that SU has a slight edge over CNU but if the #1 seeds continue to get knocked out of their tourney's, then it's a moot point as both CNU and SU will be home for NCAA's.
An SOS of 180 vs 190 is so small that post-season tourney outcomes can change those numbers.   ;)

.512 (SU) vs .509 (CNU) and changing daily!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on May 05, 2013, 10:12:07 PM
And to bring a point to one of the issues I have right now with the current ranking system > Frostburg was not even 500 in their conference. Not sure who that works but hey...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 06, 2013, 12:47:08 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2013, 10:04:06 PM

An SOS of 180 vs 190 is so small that post-season tourney outcomes can change those numbers.   ;)

.512 (SU) vs .509 (CNU) and changing daily!

I am very much informed of that as it changed from 180/190 to 175/184 from May 4th to 5th.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 06, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
Numbers as of May 6th at 12:52am:













109 Frostburg        23-13      .639   .5257 (124)   .5337    0.528
139 Bridgewater    32-6        .842   .5150 (161)   .5300    0.520
175 Shenandoah   24-10      .706   .5046 (199)   .5255    0.512
184 CNU                27-12-1   .688   .5091 (182)   .5095    0.509
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 06, 2013, 06:20:04 AM
Not good for SU and CNU as JHU (36-8) goes into Pool C now along with Kean (32-10) ...

BALTIMORE, Md. – Franklin & Marshall capped off a remarkable run through the Centennial Conference (CC) Tournament with a convincing 16-1 victory over sixth-ranked Johns Hopkins in game two of the championship round on Sunday, giving F&M its first CC title since 2006 and fourth overall. 

With the victory, the Diplomats (23-17) become the first four seed to win the CC Championship and earn the conference's automatic bid into the NCAA Regionals, while the Blue Jays (36-8) must now wait until next Sunday's selection show to see if they receive an at-large berth. The regionals will take place from May 15-19 at a location to be determined.

Union, N.J. (5/4/13) – Ramapo College took advantage of two Cougar miscues with two outs in the ninth to rally past the top seed by the final of 6-5 Saturday evening in NJAC Tournament action.

With the win, Ramapo (28-13-1) advances to take on Rowan University in the NJAC Championship on Sunday at noon.  If the Roadrunners defeat Rowan, a winner take all game will take place immediately following the noon contest.

With the loss, Kean (32-10) is eliminated from the NJAC Tournament.  The Cougars have two regular season contests with York College (Pa.) and Farmingdale State College in the coming week and will have to earn a Pool C bid in order to move on to the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
you can pencil kean in for a pool c bid...they were #1 in their region in the last rankings and their sos is currently 15th nationally...no way they are left out unless they lose their last two (and i'm not sure that leaves them out, as those are both solid opponents)

hopkins is probably in, as well, ranked #4 in their region in the last rankings and with a #92 sos...they are clearly in ahead of su or cnu and maybe even bc (current sos #142) in my opinion

shenandoah isn't even ranked regionally right now, so their chance of selection is zero...i doubt they will leap-frog frostburg with both teams (and most of their opponents) seasons being over...

...so, best case scenario, cnu is vying for one of 12 pool C bids...not gonna happen, my friends
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2013, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on May 05, 2013, 10:12:07 PM
And to bring a point to one of the issues I have right now with the current ranking system > Frostburg was not even 500 in their conference. Not sure who that works but hey...
this is further illustration of how the 3 game weekends has hurt usasac teams with regional rankings - i'm willing to say that mu (who does not deserve to be regionally ranked) is better than frostburg (vs. common opponents, fsu was 4-4 while mu was 4-1), but the records (regional, overall, owp and oowp) make it appear that frostburg is better

to compare the two teams, look at their schedules and tell me which schedule you'd rather play...i bet most in the know would pick the frostburg schedule, yet their owp is ranked 125th nationally, while mu's is ranked 174th

if the usasac played 2 game weekends, i think each usasac team would have 3 to 5 more wins/fewer losses, and we wouldn't be talking about frostburg being regionally ranked

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on May 06, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: narch on May 06, 2013, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Boysofsummer21 on May 05, 2013, 10:12:07 PM
And to bring a point to one of the issues I have right now with the current ranking system > Frostburg was not even 500 in their conference. Not sure who that works but hey...
this is further illustration of how the 3 game weekends has hurt usasac teams with regional rankings - i'm willing to say that mu (who does not deserve to be regionally ranked) is better than frostburg (vs. common opponents, fsu was 4-4 while mu was 4-1), but the records (regional, overall, owp and oowp) make it appear that frostburg is better

to compare the two teams, look at their schedules and tell me which schedule you'd rather play...i bet most in the know would pick the frostburg schedule, yet their owp is ranked 125th nationally, while mu's is ranked 174th

if the usasac played 2 game weekends, i think each usasac team would have 3 to 5 more wins/fewer losses, and we wouldn't be talking about frostburg being regionally ranked

That's why USAS went to the 2-game sets a few years ago, but for someone reason, they went back to 3-game sets.  You are right, they are just beating up on each other and hurting their chances of getting 2 more teams into the NCAA's along with conference tourney winner with the automatic bid.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 20, 2013, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on May 06, 2013, 09:37:02 PMThat's why USAS went to the 2-game sets a few years ago, but for someone reason, they went back to 3-game sets.
if the usasac coaches use the 3 game weekends to their advantage, i think it can actually be helpful on a national level...we saw this weekend that pitching depth is huge...millsaps had enough depth to overcome a day 2 loss, win 2 on friday and win a regional championship on saturday

if usasac coaches start to emphasize recruiting/developing more quality pitching, those pitchers will be more "battle tested" because of the additional games against challenging conference foes (instead of games against some of the cupcakes that filled many non-conference schedules), and this can ultimately help the conference - it's easier said than done, but i'm hoping the monarchs make recruiting pitching depth the top priority - even though they are losing almost all of their power in thigpen, this is a scrappy offensive team that puts pressure on the opposing defense - if they can get quality pitching beyond inman to keep them in games, watch out...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on May 21, 2013, 07:55:45 AM
Just speaking for NCWC, I believe that is exactly what their train of thought was last off season when they loaded up with pitching.  Coming back for 2014, the Bishops are pretty set with SR Will Beasley, JR Hatteras Brooks and SO Ciro Norzagaray for the weekends conference series and SR Jackson Pleasant and SO Robert Mondoux for mid week starts.  NCWC looks like carried 16 pitchers in their varsity roster.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on May 23, 2013, 01:18:55 PM
Congrats to the six USAS players named to the South Region teams. Justin Weaver, Austin Chrismon, Ryan Fleischmann, Bryan Bierlein, Billy Steele from CNU, and Andrew Kirks from Averett.  Additional congrats to Austin Chrismon as he was named South Region Pitcher of the Year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on May 24, 2013, 12:39:59 PM
Not sure how Steel made third team all region after only snagging honorable mention in the conference. Doesn't make sense. He wasn't even te best shortstop in the USA south
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 24, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
Who was then?

Alexander (NCWC) was 1st Team All-Conference, Dean (Maryville) was 2nd Team All-Conference, and Steele was Honorable Mention. Quite frankly, I would take both Steele and Dean over Alexander in my personal opinion. Steele was 2nd among the 3 of them in average, RBI's, and fielding percentage, while being 1st in On-Base Percentage, Slugging Percentage, HR's, 3B's, and tied for 1st in 2B's. Steele and Dean also tied for the least amount of strikeouts out of the 3.

Truth be told, all three had good years, but I'd prefer a SS who can drive the ball into the gaps and has a little bit of pop. Alexander had the lowest average of the 3, with the least amount of XBH's and RBI's.

I think you can easily make an argument for Steele being the best SS in the USAS. I'm not saying he is hands down, but he definetly should be considered in the conversation and can have a strong argument for him (especially when you examine his career numbers).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on May 26, 2013, 02:58:06 PM
Not taking anything away from the kid, excellent player. but honestly in my personal opinion I would rather have a guy that simply gets on base and hits over .300 which all did, however you need a glove to complement your bat. Alexander made 9 errors. Steele made 16 and Dean made 21. I would take Alexander no brainer.

As for career stats, I looked back at Alexander's numbers and freshman year was not good then it seems as if he only pitched somphmore year. Not 1 ab. Junior year les his team in BA and made all conference team (which Steele did not) then senior year leads his team in hits doubles RBI on-base, and gets first team all conference.

Steele came in as a freshman and has been on a tear ever since. I Hope he has a good senior year. Kid can play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on May 27, 2013, 06:57:45 AM
Agreed. All three all very good players and have great season this past year.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on May 28, 2013, 02:32:01 PM
So the 2013 ABCA All - Region teams for everyone is posted except South and West???
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on May 30, 2013, 10:30:31 AM
Darren Hodges, Ferrum College has resigned after 6 years as the Panthers Head Coach.

http://www.ferrumpanthers.com/news/2013/5/17/BB_0517132840.aspx
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 08, 2013, 04:37:52 PM
Round 26. Pick 767. Astros draft a William Chrismon out of ECU. Pretty sure it is William Austin Chrismon who played last season at CNU after transferring from ECU.

Congrats to the Menchville Monarch!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 09, 2013, 01:08:50 AM
Here is the link

http://www.cnusports.com/news/2013/6/8/BB_0608134419.aspx
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Catfishncwc on June 09, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
that is the second time the Astro's drafted chrismon.  They drafted him in the 32nd round out of HS.  I always say it only takes one team to like you, guess now we can say it only takes one team to like you Twice.  It will be interesting to watch how he progresses thru the minors.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: forheavendial4999 on June 09, 2013, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Catfishncwc on June 09, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
that is the second time the Astro's drafted chrismon.  They drafted him in the 32nd round out of HS.  I always say it only takes one team to like you, guess now we can say it only takes one team to like you Twice.  It will be interesting to watch how he progresses thru the minors.

Did he sign already?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 12, 2013, 11:40:06 AM
Not sure if he signed. He is only a Junior. So here is some interesting discussion. When you go in the 26th round and have a year left in college, what do you do? Finish another year and hope to move up? Did he have discussions with Houston before they drafted him? Is he allowed to? Can someone in the scouting world let me know how this all works? 32nd round in HS, then 26th after 3 years of college ball. What would 1 more year do? Does it make a difference? If he stays in school, does he become open game in next year's draft?

Thanks for the input!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 12, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on June 12, 2013, 11:40:06 AM
Not sure if he signed. He is only a Junior. So here is some interesting discussion. When you go in the 26th round and have a year left in college, what do you do? Finish another year and hope to move up? Did he have discussions with Houston before they drafted him? Is he allowed to? Can someone in the scouting world let me know how this all works? 32nd round in HS, then 26th after 3 years of college ball. What would 1 more year do? Does it make a difference? If he stays in school, does he become open game in next year's draft?

Thanks for the input!
i'll tell you what coach austin has said before...when you're a d3 player, paying for your education, you sign...they'll pay you to play instead of you paying and typically there will be a stipulation for the team to pay for the player to finish their education, a benefit you don't get if you have graduated - i know both blake maxwell and chris perry got the remainder of their undergraduate education paid for by the teams that drafted them
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on June 13, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
Austin did sign with the Astros, and in my mind this is a no brainer. Playing at a D3 school, the 26th Rd is a fairly high selection. Even with a monster year next year, Chrismon wouldn't move up into the "money rounds" where he would receive a significant signing bonus (typically rounds 1-5). Some players may receive a decent bonus after round 5, but it usually significantly drops off after that round. Even if Austin were to get selected in the 15th round next year, his signing bonus would not be much different than what he would receive this year. In fact, it may actually be lower, as Austin has leverage this year, using his last year in college as negotiating power. If he stayed until next year, he would have no choice but to take whatever was offered to him. This is why players drafted in the same round may often receive much different bonuses. A high school player in the 8th Rd may receive a couple hundred thousand, whereas a college senior drafted in the same round may receive $100K or lower.

There is also the chance he goes back, has a dud year, potentially has arm troubles, radar guns don't get as high, and he doesn't get drafted. A prime example of this was Chris Pecora from NCWC. Chris was a great player, drafted after his JR, chose to come back for his SR, and did not get re-drafted. (although Chris was an OF, not a P, and also did not have the luxury of being drafted out of high school)

Given the little room for improvement round wise, and basically no room for improvement financially, I see this as no brainer. I hated to see him as sign, as he was playing for us this summer, but I am very happy for Austin and his family.




Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 14, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
Thanks for all the info. It certainly provided more to think about by getting information from those who know a little more about how the system works. CNU will miss him next year in the new conference!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 18, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
chris perry made his pro debut tonight for the state college spikes - went 4 innings, gave up 6 hits, 2 walks, 1 er and struck out 3 in a no-decision - not a bad for a guy who hasn't pitched in over a year due to injuries
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 25, 2013, 08:36:48 AM
chris perry made the most of his second professional start, throwing 7 innings of 2 hit ball and getting his first professional win - nice work!

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130624&content_id=51668558&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t1174&sid=t1174

there are some nice prospects in the ny/penn league...
1st team d1 all-american danny collins (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/06/troys_danny_collins_selected_i.html) from troy university took the collar last night vs. perry, as did fellow d1 all-american (3rd team) michael fransoso (http://bangordailynews.com/2013/06/08/sports/umaines-fransoso-connolly-chosen-in-major-league-draft/) (university of maine) and the all-time hit leader in the history of the MAC, jimmy rider (http://www.drstrangeglove.com/2012/06/11/pirates-draftee-jimmy-rider-sends-kent-state-to-college-world-series/) (kent)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 09, 2013, 01:33:44 PM
after 4 starts in the ny-penn league, chris perry has been promoted to full-season A peoria

his 4 start line:
2 wins - 0 losses; 22.1 ip; 17 hits allowed, 15 k's, 4 er (1.61 era), 5 bb, .207 baa
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 16, 2013, 09:48:20 PM
first start in peoria, perry goes 5 innings, giving up 3 hits and striking out 9 in a no-decision
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on July 23, 2013, 11:03:31 AM
Chris Perry seems to be doing really well so far...any chance of a late season call up to High-A?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 24, 2013, 02:04:44 PM
Quote from: LTHSdad on July 23, 2013, 11:03:31 AM
Chris Perry seems to be doing really well so far...any chance of a late season call up to High-A?
i don't know this, but i would say it's a possibility...right now he has only pitched 12 innings at low A (2.25 era, 8 hits, 15 k's, 2 bb's, .190 baa), though, so it's unlikely - if i were betting, i'd bet the cards will keep him in peoria for the remainder of the season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on July 29, 2013, 02:19:02 PM
High-A (Pam Beach Cardinals) starters look for a moment to be struggling but some Peoria guys got promoted and taken those slots.  Still hopeful that by end of year Chris may get a start ot two with Palm Beach.  Very good player at MU and was a NCWC killer when my son played there.  Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on August 06, 2013, 02:16:51 PM
perry's last start...5 ip, 4 h, 1 er, 1 bb, 8 k's - no decision

he is now 1-1 with a 3.04 era, 23.2 ip, 17 h, 3 bb, 26 k's and a .200 baa in 4 starts at peoria

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=623397

in the interest of fairness, austin chrismon has had a nice start to his career, as well...at rookie league greeneville, he is 2-0 with a 2.84 era, 19 ip, 14 h, 3 bb, 12 k's and a .200 baa in 7 appearances (1 start)

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592216

the last two conference pitchers of the year have certainly performed well to this point in their professional careers!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on August 12, 2013, 09:00:09 AM
To add to that, Kevin Herget (Kean) is off to a great start to his career as well. For the State College Spikes (St. Louis Class A Short Season), Kevin is 5-0 in 9 appearances (4 starts). In 33 IP, he has given up 43 hits, walked only 3, and struck out 17. It's nice to see some d3 kids having some success in their early professional careers.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on September 12, 2013, 01:08:54 PM
2 USA South big time players and their first season in Pro ball:

(Methodist) Chris Perry / 4-4, 3.18 ERA, 13G, 13GS, 70.2 INN, 67 H, 20 BB, 55 K (Low-A Peoria Chiefs - St. Louis)

(CNU) Austin Chrismon / 3-1, 3.06 ERA, 11G, 2GS, 32.1 INN, 25 H, 8 BB, 24 K (Rookie - Greeneville Astros - Houston)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on September 25, 2013, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: PNeal7 on August 12, 2013, 09:00:09 AM
To add to that, Kevin Herget (Kean) is off to a great start to his career as well. For the State College Spikes (St. Louis Class A Short Season), Kevin is 5-0 in 9 appearances (4 starts). In 33 IP, he has given up 43 hits, walked only 3, and struck out 17. It's nice to see some d3 kids having some success in their early professional careers.
herget finished up 7-0 with a 2.89, but the low k rate (36 in 53 ip) and high baa (.306) combined with his stature (5'10"/185) make me wonder about his long-term projections vs. perry and chrismon - in the same league (on the same team, actually), perry held opponents to a .207 baa (chrismon held opponents to a .205 baa at the rookie ball level) - both perry and chrismon have bigger frames, as well (6'2"/215 for perry, 6'2"/227 for chrismon) - that doesn't diminish what herget did, though...great first season for all three
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on October 10, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
I know CNU is no longer in the USAS, but I was looking at their website earlier and noticed they had hired a new coach for pitching. Hey Pneal what is up there?  Is the longtime pitching coach still there? Or did he move on and they hired a replacement?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on October 16, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
It's tough for me to answer this question without giving up too much information/sources, but Coach Frazor is no longer with CNU and Coach Cole is now the pitching coach.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on October 16, 2013, 10:01:47 AM
Narch - I 100% agree on your comments about Herget vs Chrismon/Perry. He had very good numbers in terms of W-L and ERA; however, when you dig deeper his K Rate and BAA were both very subpar. He without a doubt has an uphill climb. Perry and Chrismon are both big bodies guys that will get much more of an opportunity to compete and move up the ranks, especially given where they were drafted. As cliché as it sounds, the higher a guy is drafted the greater a shot they will be given to succeed because the ballclub has more money invested in them. Essentially, Herget has zero money invested in him, so as bad as it sounds, if he doesn't work out the club isn't out of an investment.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: rolln2 on October 16, 2013, 10:34:50 AM
Ok thanks Pneal, I was just wandering if he might have retired or moved on to bigger and better things.  Looking at his bio it says he started there over 20 years ago, and the CNU staffs sure have been good during his tenure.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: PNeal7 on October 16, 2013, 02:54:06 PM
Rolln2 - I would say the best way to put it is that he stepped down. I do not believe he has retired from the coaching world, and he still has his scouting gig as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2014, 10:47:17 PM
pre-season poll is out http://usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140109jrt3f4

2014 USA South Baseball Coaches Preseason Poll
Rank   Institution (1st Place Votes)   Pts.
1.   Covenant (3)   67
2.   N.C. Wesleyan (2)   63
3.   Methodist (1)   60
4.   Piedmont   58
5.   Huntingdon (3)   51
6.   Averett   49
7.   Maryville (1)   46
8.   Ferrum   23
9.   LaGrange   20
10.   Greensboro   13

covenant pre-season favorite coming off a 28-19 season (against a suspect schedule)? huntingdon must have lost a lot of firepower to be chosen 5th coming off a 32 win season - and with all due respect, how did maryville get a first place vote...they were 17-23/10-14 last year...hmm
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 02, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2014/02/perkin-ferrum-nohitter

Perkins starts d3 baseball season with no hitter.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: stafford on February 04, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
What's the word on Peace baseball? I see they're starting a program this season.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: stafford on February 04, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
What's the word on Peace baseball? I see they're starting a program this season.
they will likely have a chance to beat some of the club and jv programs on their schedule, and maybe even some of the juco's that they are playing, but i don't see them being competitive in the usasac for at least 3 to 5 years...we'll see
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2014, 01:44:45 PM
baseball starts this weekend, and no talk on these boards ???

the monarchs start off with a dh vs. roanoke on sunday then rhodes, lynchburg and cnu visit the following weekend - i'm interested to see who will be on the hill in game 2 (assuming inman gets the call in game 1) - i've heard there are lots of talented young arms in the program, but they're still young - josh howard, who is listed as a UTL player pitched pretty well for college of the albermarle last year (7-3, 2.34, 3 cg, 2 so, 68 k's in 88.1 ip), and had a nice summer pitching in the tidewater summer league...might he be the #2 for the monarchs or do royer or judge step into that slot? rett lee is back after missing last year with arm troubles...he's got nasty stuff...can he put it together and pitch well?

i think the monarchs will scratch out runs - if they can pitch beyond inman and defend, i think they'll be alright...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxCat39 on February 07, 2014, 12:03:09 PM
Any word on Huntingdon? I'll be heading down to watch tonight's game v. Rhodes and probably catch some of the games tomorrow.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2014, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: LynxCat39 on February 07, 2014, 12:03:09 PM
Any word on Huntingdon? I'll be heading down to watch tonight's game v. Rhodes and probably catch some of the games tomorrow.
i don't recall seeing any hc posters on the baseball boards, although there are some on the football boards - per the pre-season preview (http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140205dboyw9) on their website, they are replacing 15 seniors and the stud catcher (who was drafted) and have just two returning starting position players to go with 3 experienced arms (one of them is one of the best closers in the country...of course, he was unable to shut the door vs. the monarchs in the regionals last year :))

something tells me the cupboards aren't as empty as they might seem on paper with them, though...i would be surprised if hc didn't win 25-28 games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxCat39 on February 07, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2014, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: LynxCat39 on February 07, 2014, 12:03:09 PM
Any word on Huntingdon? I'll be heading down to watch tonight's game v. Rhodes and probably catch some of the games tomorrow.
i don't recall seeing any hc posters on the baseball boards, although there are some on the football boards - per the pre-season preview (http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140205dboyw9) on their website, they are replacing 15 seniors and the stud catcher (who was drafted) and have just two returning starting position players to go with 3 experienced arms (one of them is one of the best closers in the country...of course, he was unable to shut the door vs. the monarchs in the regionals last year :))

something tells me the cupboards aren't as empty as they might seem on paper with them, though...i would be surprised if hc didn't win 25-28 games

thanks for the input. I know all about Odom, had to pitch against him in high school, and thankfully I didn't have to throw against him in college as well, pitching against Maxwell was fun though. Replacing 15 seniors will be hard for them to do, but they usually have a solid group of transfers and young guy.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxCat39 on February 07, 2014, 11:00:32 PM
RECAP OF TONIGHTS RHODES V. HUNTINGDON GAME

Rhodes wins 4-3 in a cold, sloppy game. Huntingdon took the lead 1-0 in the first inning after 2 ground outs, followed by two consecutive dropped third strikes where both batters made it to second on each one, with the inning ending on a 3rd strikeout. Rhodes took the lead scoring single runs in the next few innings, and Huntingdon tied it up 3-3 on a bloop single with the bases loaded and 2 outs off the relief pitcher Thomas Beamish who came in with the bases loaded. RS Freshman SS Bill Munson drove in the game winning run after a leadoff single, steal, and sac bunt to advance the runner. Here's my impressions (after one game, so take with a grain of salt) on both teams:

First, Rhodes, since I am more familiar with them. It appears as if once again Rhodes' backbone will be a solid pitching staff, led by a core of young arms and upper classmen relief pitchers. So. LHP Blake Glauben pitched a solid game tonight until he had to be taken out of the game with the bases loaded. RP Thomas Beamish picked up the win after giving up the 2 run single.

Rhodes offensively will be more of a station-to-station team, with a decent amount of team speed on the bases. Only sources of a real home run threat look to be Sr. Pat Kilkenny and Jr. Andrew Wallis.

Player to watch: Bill Munson. Absolute defensive machine at short with a very good arm, and was batting .357 and leading the conference in doubles last season before getting injured and redshirted.


Huntingdon: After losing 15 seniors last year and 2 other players as well, it looks as if Huntingdon is a VERY young team, returning only one starter from last year, and it showed both on the mound and in the field. Pitchers were struggling to throw strikes all night (could be attributed to southerners playing ~40 degree weather and early season jitters though), and made a couple costly errors fielding and throwing. Offensively, they were shut down, and if the box score from their first game is correct, they have been held to only 8 hits in their first 18 innings of play, with little to no solid contact against Rhodes tonight. Huntingdon also had two runners thrown out at second base attempting to steal in tonight's game.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2014, 09:59:12 PM
Josh Howard got the nod in the opener vs rc and went 7 with 4 hits, no runs and 11 k's...not a bad first outing - Inman pitched well in the second game, but did have 4 walks in 6 ip - mu wins 4-2 and 2-1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2014, 10:02:38 PM
the monarchs finished the weekend 1-1 in a pair of 1 run games this weekend, losing 4-3 to lynchburg and winning 7-6 vs. cnu - howard pitched well vs. cnu, going 7 with 3 er and rett lee had a solid day on the hill vs. lynchburg, giving up 1 er in 5 ip  - solid results for the monarchs against good competition
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: stafford on February 17, 2014, 08:11:10 AM
Did anyone watch the college games on MLB network on Sunday afternoon? University of New Orleans vs. Southern and LSU vs. Grambling. There were several pitchers from UNO, Southern and Grambling sitting in the low 80's. Aside from pitching, Southern looked particularly bad. Multiple base running blunders and poor outfield play despite tons of speed on the bases and in the outfield.

For those of you who are knowldegeable, how would good D3 teams stack up against lower level D1 teams like UNO, Southern, and Grambling?
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Post by: PNeal7 on February 17, 2014, 01:02:38 PM
Stafford - I'll do my best to give my perspective on the DI, DII, and DIII differences.

In my humble opinion, the top D3 schools in the country could compete, and beat on occasion, with some of the lower level D1 schools. When I played at CNU, we had the then D3 National Pitcher of the Year Kenny Moreland, and with him on the mound I strongly believe we could have competed with some of the D1's in VA (Longwood, W&M, Liberty, etc.). I see a good mix across all of the divisions with the summer league team I help run (Strasburg Express - Valley Baseball League) and to me the major difference in the divisions is pitching. We sign a slew of D3 pitchers every year (4 signed this year) and do so without hesitation, but we are always hesitant to sign D3 hitters given the adjustment to pitching they will have to make. If it takes them 3-4 weeks to adjust, they've just burned half of our season. We had Connor Madden (CNU) a few years back, and he was the only D3 hitter we've had come in and be successful offensively from Day 1.

On a one game basis, some of the top D3 teams could without a doubt knock off some of the lower level D1's; however, if forced to play multiple times (such as a regular schedule) against those lower level D1 teams it would be much tougher as D3 hitters are not used to facing that pitching over and over again. Most D1's, even some of the lower level teams, have pitching staffs full of arms that would be weekend starters, weekday starters, or key relievers at the D3 level. My assumption would be the pitching you saw was due to it being a Sunday so the teams already used their top 2 starters and more than likely their top guys out of the bullpen. It's early in the year, and given the games are not conference games, not many teams will throw their top relievers 2-3 times over the weekend as the would later in the season.

One other key point to note: A lot of this has to do with their geographic location. For example, if a player is from VA, there are very few quality D2 programs around. If they do not want to go D1 and sit for a few years or redshirt, they then ultimately go D3 to CNU, Bridgewater, VWC, Randolph Macon, etc. thus ultimately making the D3 schools in the area better. That is exactly the opposite in some states, such as SC where there are numerous D1 and D2 programs for players to attend (USC, Furman, Presbyterian, CofC, USC Upstate, North Greenville, Winthrop, etc.)

Sorry for the length, but wanted to do my best to thoroughly answer.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on February 18, 2014, 01:17:49 AM
I've seen guys go D-II and D-I that I didn't think were good enough for a top D-III program. I've been wrong about that before too! haha. One of them is in the Majors!

Until you get maybe into the top 40 or 50 in D-II, I don't think there's enough difference between D-II and a competitive D-III program, one that actually tries ot be good, to matter.

I think the very best D-III teams we've had over the past decade (like national champions) could probably play with 100+ D-I teams on a regular basis. Marietta's 2011 team had 3 players drafted from it (not all the same year), and several other players that weren't draftable because of measurables, but were about as good as you can be in college (like Alex Toth)...that's as much as you'll get on a lot of mid-majors. The last team I think the South has had like that was when Fox was at NCWC.

Some D-I programs have NEVER had a player drafted and are really D-I in name only. Some don't offer many scholarships. Some of the teams you saw may be in that boat and yes, a good D-III could probably compete and win against them.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2014, 09:56:14 PM
well...that's an ugly loss...hsc uses a 7 run 7th to win 11-5 vs. the monarchs...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2014, 05:10:51 PM
despite an ugly loss for the monarchs, yesterday was still a pretty good day for mu - the largest capital campaign in mu history was announced and over $23 million of the $35 million goal has already been raised

baseball is getting a new fieldhouse that can be found at http://www.campaignformu.org/athletic-facilities/#baseball - this should help the monarchs with recruiting and retention!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2014, 09:49:44 PM
mu bounces back, beating emory 1-0 to improve to 4-2...lee started the game, but only faced three batters (he gave up a hit and 2 k's... i'm not sure what happened) - travis johnson stepped in and pitched 5.1 ip and ayers finished out with a 3 inning save - mu only mustered 5 hits, while mu pitching scattered 13 emory hits
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
mu finished off a sweep of emory with a 12-9 win today - freshman lucas scott had a nice 4 rbi day and 3 pitchers combined for the win - the monarchs got the sweep despite the fact that howard and inman did not pitch - i'm hoping that they didn't pitch because coach austin decided not to pitch them, rather than injury

the monarchs are now 5-2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: stafford on February 28, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
Does anyone have any info on Greensboro College? Specifically baseball, but also football and the college in general?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2014, 08:49:39 PM
mu goes to 7-2, 2-0 with two wins vs. au - the monarchs pitching was great giving up just 2 runs on the day...and Inman/Howard didn't throw...pithching depth looks good for mu early on - mu scored 18 runs in the second game
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2014, 08:11:32 AM
Quote from: stafford on February 28, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
Does anyone have any info on Greensboro College? Specifically baseball, but also football and the college in general?
i would encourage you to visit gc along with some of the other schools in the conference (specifically mu :)) and decide for yourself if it is a good fit for you/your son/whoever it may be you are inquiring for - they are behind most of the conference from an athletic facilities standpoint and have had lots of turnover in the athletic department over the last few years, but that doesn't mean it's not the right fit

on the field, i can't remember the last time they were a real threat in the conference from a baseball standpoint and they've only had a winning record in the conference in football twice and they've never been above .500 (although they did play mu VERY tough in football this year)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
i like 3 game weekends when the monarchs win 'em all :)

howard pitched 7 strong innings, and 1/3 not so strong, but got the win, striking out 8 in 7.1 and giving up 4 er (he had given up 1 er through 7) - ayers got his 4th save on the season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on March 02, 2014, 09:46:49 PM
The conference looks to be strong this season. Huntingdon, Covenant, Piedmont, Methodist and Ferrum have all gotten off to great starts. A few of those schools even have some solid non-conference wins.

Covenant swept NC Wesleyan this weekend. Bishops have not played well in conference play yet having been swept in each of the first two weekends. Covenant scored 27 runs in the three games and gave up just two runs in the doubleheader on Saturday.

A couple of really good series this next weekend as Covenant goes at Huntingdon and Methodist hosts Piedmont.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: stafford on March 03, 2014, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2014, 08:11:32 AM
Quote from: stafford on February 28, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
Does anyone have any info on Greensboro College? Specifically baseball, but also football and the college in general?
i would encourage you to visit gc along with some of the other schools in the conference (specifically mu :)) and decide for yourself if it is a good fit for you/your son/whoever it may be you are inquiring for - they are behind most of the conference from an athletic facilities standpoint and have had lots of turnover in the athletic department over the last few years, but that doesn't mean it's not the right fit

on the field, i can't remember the last time they were a real threat in the conference from a baseball standpoint and they've only had a winning record in the conference in football twice and they've never been above .500 (although they did play mu VERY tough in football this year)

Thanks for that info. We kind of visited GC one day when we were in Greensboro. We tried to drive around campus and look around, but it was fall move-in day and and it was terribly crowded and some of the streets were blocked off. We took a quick drive through and went to find the baseball field at the rec center 15 minutes away. Of course, we had to drive right by Guilford College on our way to see where Greensboro College plays baseball. So, we drove through Guilford's campus. Guilford is a very nice campus with very nice facilities - top notch for any level.

On the plus side, we know of a local kid who went to Greensboro College for baseball and is getting playing time as a freshman. But they don't seem to be winning much.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2014, 08:09:04 AM
the monarchs improve to 9-2 with an 11-4 victory over guilford - johnny wholestaff pitched for mu and the monarchs got significant offensive production from almost every guy in the lineup

big boy games this weekend with a 3 game set vs. piedmont...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
piedmont takes 2 of 3 from the monarchs, winning 4-2 and 2-1 and losing 5-3...those three games were as close as you can get
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: stafford on March 13, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
Fishing for info again. Just general information. This time asking about Ferrum? Baseball-Football, the school in general?

We have been to and seen the following: NC Wesleyan, Greensboro, Piedmont, and Methodist. Pretty much getting a feel for the USA South. So, it's time to ask about Ferrum.

Anything anyone can provide would be helpful.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots13 on March 15, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
Quote from: stafford on March 13, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
Fishing for info again. Just general information. This time asking about Ferrum? Baseball-Football, the school in general?

We have been to and seen the following: NC Wesleyan, Greensboro, Piedmont, and Methodist. Pretty much getting a feel for the USA South. So, it's time to ask about Ferrum.

Anything anyone can provide would be helpful.

I had some teammates in high school that went to Ferrum and did not enjoy their time there (very short stay), but I have some friends that went and enjoyed it.  If you like a  small town feel, I'm sure you'd love it. I've been on the campus several times and it's beautiful-- athletic facilities are pretty good in my opinion. I actually thought about going there. If I'm not mistaken it's one of the cheaper schools in the USA South (At least it was 8 years ago).

I'm not sure about the baseball program, but the football program is generally pretty good. They had a tough season last year, but don't expect them to be down for long.  They always seem to get good athletes to run the option.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2014, 09:47:14 PM
the monarchs improve to 13-4 on the season with a 6-3 win to cap off the three game sweep of the scots today - 3 game sweeps are nice :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2014, 09:51:40 PM
the vwc pitchers shut down the monarch bats today, winning 3-1...the monarchs made 4 errors, but got solid pitching from a combination of shumate, leggett, judge and morrison - mu falls to 13-5

the circus...err, jumbos :)...come to town on wednesday...hopefully the monarchs can get back on track
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
since it's just me posting to me in here, i won't mention that the monarchs took a bad loss tonight...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: narch on March 19, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
since it's just me posting to me in here, i won't mention that the monarchs took a bad loss tonight...
Okay.  thanks.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on March 24, 2014, 09:55:47 AM
NCWC struggles continue...took 2 of 3 from Averett this weekend but defense is beyond terrible...

With 53 errors in 23 games, that's more than 2 per game, how can you expect the pitching staff to hold it together?  Infield defense is letting Bishops down and the carrousel of changing players to find someone with a glove continues from game to game. 

Bright stars have been fresh OF Luis Palencia (.352 avg, 16 SB), jun 1B/DH JJ Rodriguez (.356 avg, 7 doubles), soph SS/P Ciro Norzagaray (.345 avg, 3 HR, 17 RBI, 5 SB).
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 31, 2014, 03:04:51 PM
with no conference tournament, the end of the usasac season should get interesting with lots of matchups between the top 5...

ferrum in 1st place (14-3), still has covenant, huntingdon and piedmont
covenant in 2nd place (12-3), still has ferrum and mu
piedmont in 3rd place (9-4), still has ferrum
huntingdon in 4th place (11-6), still has ferrum and mu
methodist in 5th place (9-5), still has covenant and huntingdon

personally, this is what i'm hoping for...
fc loses vs. au, then goes 1-2 vs. covenant, huntingdon and pc, putting them at 17-10 in conference
covenant goes 2-1 vs. fc, 0-3 vs. mu, 2-1 vs. au and m'ville to finish 18-9 in conference
pc loses vs ncwc then goes 2-1 vs. fc and wins  6 vs. lagrange, au and m'ville to finish 17-10
huntingdon finishes the win vs. m'ville then goes 2-1 vs. fc, 2-1 vs. au and 0-3 vs. mu to finish 16-11
mu wins all 13 of their remaining games against greensboro, ncwc, covenant, huntingdon and lagrange to finish 22-5 :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 31, 2014, 03:24:29 PM
it will be interesting to see how things shape up from a regional standpoint, as well...

mu has 2 good wins vs. emory (20-9) and a solid win vs. cnu (12-10) as well as 3 losses to teams with solid records (tufts at 12-1, lynchburg at 15-4 and hsc at 21-7) - the only non-conference game left for mu is vs. rmc who is 12-8 (and possibly lynchburg if that game is made up)...the non conf schedule for mu was sufficiently strong, but the results may not be what they need to be should mu not win the regular season crown - the vwc loss is really the only unsightly blemish for the monarchs to this point (still lots of baseball to be played, and i don't care what the record is...lagrange, greensboro and ncwc are all tough teams) - pool c is an outside possibility if they get to 27/28 wins

huntingdon has a bad loss to oglethorpe, but no signature non conf wins at this point (they have a game vs. bsc and three vs. emory on the slate still, so that could change) - if hc finishes with 27-28 wins, their schedule is back-loaded with some tough teams that will help schedule strength...could be interesting if they don't claim the aq

covenant doesn't have any stand-out wins in non conf play, but they don't have any bad losses, either - i think they need to win the conference for a bid

pc has two good non conf wins (emory and bsc, 21-6), and 2 of their non conf losses are to emory, but they do have a not-so-pretty loss to depauw (4-7) - i think pc is similar to mu and hc...if they get in the 27/28 win mark, they've got a solid schedule and an outside shot at a pool c

ferrum has a solid win vs. bridgewater (14-7), but two losses to roanoke (7-11) -  i think they need to win the conference for a bid

realistically, i think the conference champion is going to have 6 to 8 conference losses, which means any of these 5 teams will be very happy to get to 28+ wins...

of course, if shenandoah were to lose the odac tournament, they are almost assured of 30 wins with their schedule and would probably be ahead of any usasac team - lynchburg and hsc have some possible favorable head-to-head comparisons with usasac schools and are likely to be in the 26 to 28 win range...

it's looking like this could be one of the best one-bid leagues in the country...that's what you get with 3 game weekends :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 04, 2014, 02:12:54 AM
Overall / ODAC won/loss records as of April 4th:

20-5 / 10-2 ... SU
17-7 / 08-3 ... Bridgewater
13-9 / 08-3 ... RMC
17-9 / 06-4 ... Lynchburg
13-8 / 06-6 ... W&L
8-15 / 05-5 ... Emory & Henry
21-9 / 05-6 ... HSC
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: USASfan on April 06, 2014, 01:58:59 PM
Ncwc splits on the day with Methodist. Winning game 1 5-1 and dropping game two 6-5. SO ss Ciro Norzagary didn't play. Definitely hurt the bishops in game two. As he probably would've pitched instead of SR Pleasant. JR 1b/DH continues to stay hot as he has a 5-9 with 4rbis  on the day. I really hope that SS Ciro is back in as I would love to take the series against a overrated Methodist school. Seems to be the story for NcWC is past years. Start off very poor and get smoking hot at the very end as we saw the same scenario last year. Defense once again struggles with 60+ errors and have 9 games left. All I can say is I think Convent has this one wrapped up if they continue to play the way they are. 11-1 in their last 12. Taking the series against Ferrum which puts them in 1st. Only way I see it if Piedmont wins out in conference they will have the head to head against Covenent.

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on April 07, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
Covenant is on a roll right now. Winners of 11 of last 12 in conference play and 14 of 16 overall. The only team that holds a tiebreaker over the Scots is Huntingdon.

This week will be huge, though. Covenant plays Methodist for three in various locales in North Carolina for the Spring Festival. If Covenant wins another series, it will be really tough for any team to catch up.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2014, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: USASfan on April 06, 2014, 01:58:59 PMI would love to take the series against a overrated Methodist school.
you got your wish on the series win (and the ss playing)...tough weekend for the monarchs, for sure - the monarchs got 10 hits and drew 4 walks in game one, but could only push 1 run across - game three saw mu out hit ncwc 9-6, but the pitchers issued 6 walks and the defense made 4 costly errors leading to 4 unearned runs in a 5-4 loss - it's looking more and more like having howard and inman pitch on the same weekend is unlikely, as neither was able to pitch this weekend - on the bright side, the monarchs got their first 2 hr's as a team in the win on saturday...i thought we might see mu go all season w/o one :)

overrated is an interesting choice of word to describe mu - who is "rating" them and where are the monarchs "rated"? if you're talking about usasac standings, well...those aren't ratings, they're results...nothing subjective about results - if you're talking about some other rating system, which one? i'm sure you're not talking about these rating (http://usasouth.net/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/20140109jrt3f4)s :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2014, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: USASfan on April 06, 2014, 01:58:59 PMAll I can say is I think Convent has this one wrapped up if they continue to play the way they are. 11-1 in their last 12. Taking the series against Ferrum which puts them in 1st. Only way I see it if Piedmont wins out in conference they will have the head to head against Covenent.
i know they're new to the conference, but it's covenant, not convent or covenent :)

i agree with your assessment that covenant is in the drivers seat, though - their remaining conference schedule is the easiest of the top 5 teams (combined .472 conf. win %), who are all still mathematically viable - averett, methodist and maryville are all teams that could win a game or two against covenant, but cc is playing really well right now

huntingdon is the only team that currently has a tie-breaker over covenant, having swept them earlier in the season - hc is currently 3 games back in the loss column but will play one fewer conference game than covenant...they can't be tied with covenant unless covenant has a cancellation in one of their upcoming conference games - because of that cancellation, they are essentially 4 games back in the loss column - hc has ferrum and mu left (combined .667 conf. win %)...tough slate to run through unscathed

ferrum is only two games back in the loss column, but they've got 3 games vs. huntingdon and 3 vs. piedmont left (combined .632 conf. win %)- i think best-case fc could realistically hope for would be 4-2 in those games and two more losses would probably be enough to keep them out of the top spot since covenant owns the tie-break

piedmont is 3 games back in the loss column and faces ferrum, au and m'ville (comined .518 conf. win %)...they could potentially sweep those 9 games, but covenant still owns head-to-head with pc, even if they (covenant) were to lose 3 more games

methodist is 3 games back in the loss column and faces an uphill battle with 9 games against conference opponents who have a conf. win % of .589 - if mu could somehow sweep covenant (tall order, i know) that would bring mu back into the mix, but it would also bring the other 3 teams into the mix - pc and ferrum both own head-to-head against mu and the monarchs haven't played huntingdon yet...losing 2 games this weekend to ncwc makes it REALLY difficult for mu to have a chance at that aq
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 10, 2014, 07:36:33 AM
Another tough day for NCWC yesterday as they played NAIA's St. Andrews and lost 11-6.  Bishops fall to 11-19-1 for the season and any hopes of finishing the year at least .500 were gone in this game.  St. Andrews was not overpowering but as usual NCWC had 1 bad inning (gave up 9 runs) and 2 more errors on the field.  SO 3B James Kornegay was the bright spot yesterday.  Up next is a wekend series with Maryville that I thing NCWC has to sweep.  Hopefully we'll see SR Will Beasley, FR Spencer Ramsey and FR Ryan Grant have good games on the mound this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2014, 02:04:32 PM
the monarchs took care of covenant in the first game of the 3 game set yesterday, winning 6-3 behind a nice pitching performance by johnson and a great day at the plate for kirby, who went 3-3 with 2 runs, 1 hr and 3 rbi

ferrum and hc have split the last two days

pc just went final with a 5-4 win over averett

up to the minute standings are as follows:

covenant: 14-5, .737
ferrum: 16-7, .696
huntingdon: 14-8, .636
piedmont: 12-7, .632
mu: 12-7, .632

it's getting tighter at the top...hopefully mu can continue to bring covenant back to the pack
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2014, 09:55:45 PM
so the monarchs take the series with a 13-5 victory over covenant, and the top five teams are all within two losses of each other now...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on April 18, 2014, 08:48:40 AM
With a Conference record of 10-13 and only a series with LaGrange left this weekend, I can't see how NCWC will qualify for post season play.  I believe only top 6 get in, correct?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 19, 2014, 08:06:38 AM
Quote from: LTBB1971 on April 18, 2014, 08:48:40 AM
With a Conference record of 10-13 and only a series with LaGrange left this weekend, I can't see how NCWC will qualify for post season play.  I believe only top 6 get in, correct?
there is no conference tournament this year...ncwc is playing for pride now...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on April 19, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Ferrum rallies and beats Piedmont 4-3 today. This means that everyone but Covenant and Ferrum have been eliminated from the conference race.

Covenant holds the tiebreaker over Ferrum by virtue of taking 2 of 3 a couple weeks ago. So, Covenant will have to win at least 4 of 5 in conference play to finish the season (2 today at Maryville and 3 next weekend vs. Averett). Ferrum is finished in USA South play.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 20, 2014, 11:23:33 PM
ferrum's magic number is one...and with covenant going 4-6 over their last 10, i think the panthers have a real shot...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 28, 2014, 09:40:04 PM
the scots take care of business and win the conference...congrats - mu finishes with a disappointing series loss to lagrange and ends at 22-16 - if the monarchs can get howard and inman healthy next year, there is a nice nucleus of returning players
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 12, 2014, 11:22:08 PM
just got a look at the regionals...mu went 4-1 vs. teams in the south regional...unfortunately, they went 18-15 against the rest of their schedule :)

good luck to covenant...rep the conference well, boys
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: CCHoops on May 13, 2014, 08:49:23 AM
Covenant gets a tough draw against Shenandoah to open the South Regional. It will be interesting to see if SU throws their ace or if they think they can beat the Scots with a No. 2 or 3 starter. CC is a dangerous team in the early rounds with strong starting pitching and offense.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 29, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
chris perry is off to a really nice start in peoria...2-0, 16 g, 34.1 ip, 56 k, 11 bb, .172 baa

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=623397
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 04, 2014, 09:23:07 AM
perry named cardinals nation may pitcher of the month...

http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/1407792.html

3-0, 19.7 ip, 1 er, 40 k, 3 bb, 9 h, .46 era, .63 whip, 18.3 k/9
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 09, 2014, 11:10:46 PM
chris perry got a promotion to high A after a filthy first half with peoria...

4-0, 3 sv, 49.0 ip, 12 er, 2.20 era, 80 k, 15 bb, 29 h, .90 whip, 14.7 k/9, .165 baa
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on August 01, 2014, 01:24:20 PM
the jump to the highest level of a ball has not slowed chris perry...

in 8 games for palm beach, he has given up 1 hit in 7.1 ip and struck out 8 to go with 2 walks and 3 saves

his season line so far is as follows:

4-0, 6 sv, 56.1 ip, 12 er, 1.92 era, 88 k, 17 bb, 30 h, .83 whip, 14.06 k/9, .150 baa

austin chrismon (cnu) is having a solid season, as well - he's still in short season a ball in the ny/penn league, but is 4-2 with a 3.27 era and 31 k's in 41.1 ip

kevin herget (kean), the other d3 pitcher we've talked about on these boards from that draft class is having a nice season, too - he's at low a peoria and is 5-3 with a 3.26 era and 78 k's in 58 ip - his strikeout rate, which was one of my concerns last year, has more than doubled this year despite being at a higher level of play

good to see these d3 guys having success
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on October 02, 2014, 11:21:27 PM
chris perry is playing for the peoria javelinas in the arizona fall league...that's pretty big news - LOTS of top prospects playing in the afl
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on November 17, 2014, 03:32:16 PM
perry moves into the cards top 20 prospect list at #20...exciting stuff for that young man and Monarch Nation!

https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/534417637993119744

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/#list=stl
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2015, 10:39:13 PM
the monarchs start the season 2-1, losing 4-3 to mcmurry and then beating lynchburg 8-2, and cnu 15-5 to finish out the weekend - nice way to start the season for the boys
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 08, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Mcmurry still has scholar athlete's correct? I saw that they beat LC as well.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 14, 2015, 10:39:31 PM
the monarchs fall to 3-3 with 3 one-run losses...2 of the walk-off variety this weekend - the monarchs are pounding out runs in bunches, scoring 8, 15 and 15 in their three wins, and 3, 1 and 3 in their losses - pitching has been pretty consistent, giving up more than 4 runs (5) just once in six games - so close to being undefeated...this young team needs to learn to win the close games
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on February 22, 2015, 09:21:45 PM
Narch what has happened to inman. Not getting any starts. Only pitched 3 innings this year.  Is he injured?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2015, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on February 08, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Mcmurry still has scholar athlete's correct? I saw that they beat LC as well.
Yes. I believe they have a few.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
Quote from: baseballfever on February 22, 2015, 09:21:45 PM
Narch what has happened to inman. Not getting any starts. Only pitched 3 innings this year.  Is he injured?
still struggling a bit with injuries and command - if he can get right, the monarchs arms could be among the best in the conference...

here is a great article, with video, about former monarch chris perry: http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/cardinals-minor-leagues/2015/2/22/8084151/future-redbirds-top-25-prospects-for-2015--chris-perry
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on February 26, 2015, 09:50:52 AM
Great article on Perry. I will continue to follow him. Yes your right about inman.  If he finds his command Methodist will have one of the best pitching staffs in the conference. Top to bottom. Looking forward to the rest of season. Maybe the weather will begin to cooperate.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2015, 08:09:38 AM
the monarchs split a pair of lopsided games with emory on saturday, winning 20-1 and losing 10-2...gotta get out of this win one, lose one pattern...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 06, 2015, 09:56:39 PM
Big series this weekend for MU. If they can pull out 3 wins over Huntingdon it will be huge.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on March 06, 2015, 10:45:37 PM
..........and if they don't, not so much.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 07, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
the monarchs and hawks split a pair of 1 run games, both decided with come from behind 9th inning wins
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 07, 2015, 11:36:51 PM
Won 1 lost 1.
MU should have won both.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 22, 2015, 09:54:20 AM
Methodist takes 2 from Greensboro yesterday. Maybe they can complete the sweep today.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 26, 2015, 01:05:32 PM
Completed the sweep. 9 game winning streak.  Big weekend date with Maryville.  Go MU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 26, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
this is a big weekend for the usasac, with the top 4 teams squaring off vs. each other - au travels to piedmont and m'ville will be at mu - if any team can get a sweep this weekend, it could really set them up for a strong finish

in fact, the next few weekends are big

m'ville has 3 @ mu and 3 @ au left
au still has pc, mu and m'ville left
mu has m'ville, pc and au left
pc has au and mu left (all at home)

should make for an exciting finish among the top 4
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 27, 2015, 11:18:13 AM
Yes this will be interesting...........
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 28, 2015, 09:37:37 PM
MU takes 2 from Maryville.   :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 29, 2015, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: baseballfever on March 28, 2015, 09:37:37 PM
MU takes 2 3 from Maryville.   :)
corrected that for you  ;)...and 12 straight

with au and pc splitting the weekend, the monarchs now sit on top of the conference standings

Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 31, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
the monarchs are finally getting a little love in the d3baseball polls, getting 14 votes and tied for 35th spot with piedmont - this is what the usasac has come to...winning 75% of your games (77% against d3 teams eligible for post-season), splitting with a current top 25 team (emory), easily handling a perennially strong team that is off to an 11-4 start (tufts) and winning 72% of your conference games gets you 14 votes - there was a time that this was easily a top 25 resume

i think if the monarchs can finish 9-3 with at least 4 wins vs. pc and au (at least 2 vs. each would be nice), they've got to be a tournament team, even if they don't get the aq (there are scenarios where 22-8 in conference would not get the aq)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 31, 2015, 02:43:49 PM
Quote from: narch on March 31, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
the monarchs are finally getting a little love in the d3baseball polls, getting 14 votes and tied for 35th spot with piedmont - this is what the usasac has come to...winning 75% of your games (77% against d3 teams eligible for post-season), splitting with a current top 25 team (emory), easily handling a perennially strong team that is off to an 11-4 start (tufts) and winning 72% of your conference games gets you 14 votes - there was a time that this was easily a top 25 resume

i think if the monarchs can finish 9-3 with at least 4 wins vs. pc and au (at least 2 vs. each would be nice), they've got to be a tournament team, even if they don't get the aq (there are scenarios where 22-8 in conference would not get the aq)

This might have something to do with Methodist and their votes.

Rnk Team               Reg rec     Reg win% OWP (rank)    OOWP    NCAA
229 Lebanon Valley    5-7       .417    .4931 (213)    .5000    0.495
230 Methodist               21-6    .778    .4821 (233)    .5221    0.495
231 Eastern Nazarene    5-9      .357    .4971 (204)    .4883    0.494

A good series with Piedmont should help their cause.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on March 31, 2015, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on March 31, 2015, 02:43:49 PM
This might have something to do with Methodist and their votes.

Rnk Team               Reg rec     Reg win% OWP (rank)    OOWP    NCAA
229 Lebanon Valley    5-7       .417    .4931 (213)    .5000    0.495
230 Methodist               21-6    .778    .4821 (233)    .5221    0.495
231 Eastern Nazarene    5-9      .357    .4971 (204)    .4883    0.494

A good series with Piedmont should help their cause.
oh, i understand why... mu can't help that cnu and lynchburg are way down vs. their normal standard, that guilford has tanked to a sub .300 from a team that's typically around .500 - 3 game weekends don't leave a lot of room for ooc match-ups, and mu has won all but 2 of those (and mcmurry is 18-4, but doesn't count toward the sos)

i'm not arguing that mu should be ranked, it's just the reality that the usasac doesn't get the respect that it used to - the conference has a team with a .750 winning % 28 games into the season, that has 4 wins against perennially strong non-conference teams and that team isn't in the top 25...5 to 7 years ago, this team would have been ranked, it isn't now...that's what the usasac has become - it's viewed as a one-team league, and a big part of that is the fact that the teams beat up on each other throughout the regular season with 3 game weekends - i love 3 game weekends because someone wins every weekend - i hate 3 game weekends because, in my opinion, conference teams have more losses than they would if they were playing 2
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 01, 2015, 10:11:36 PM
I agree with you narch..........
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 03, 2015, 10:25:02 PM
good start for the monarchs, with a twinbill sweep at piedmont today...mu hit 3 hr's on the day, including a grand slam by nalls in the second game - that makes 14 straight for mu and they sit at 23-7, 15-5 heading into the 3rd game of the weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 04, 2015, 05:48:26 PM
15 straight for the monarchs, as they win 10-1 today and finish the sweep...inman went 6, gave up 2 hits, 0 er, although he did walk 5

mu banged out 11 hits on the day

the monarchs are about as hot as they can be right now...they need to hold the momentum going into the matchup with averett
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 05, 2015, 09:41:58 PM
Yes monarchs are hot.  Inman did a good job. Glad to see him coming around. He did walk 5 , 4 in the 6th inning. ThatIis the most innings in one game since his injury last year. Looking forward to the weekend series with Averett. Pitching staff is very deep. And they are getting the job done.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
Welcome to the boards, baseballfever!

+1!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 07, 2015, 03:59:07 PM
good to see the monarchs in the top 25 this week...still confused about some of the teams above them (i'm looking at you, goldglove (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19772) :)), but i'll take being ranked...now they've got to back it up this weekend
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2015, 11:14:50 PM
au broke the monarch win streak in a big way today, giving up just one hit and winning 4-0...mu came back in the night cap and won 7-3 - rubber match tomorrow is big for conference title implications
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 12, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
HUGE pitching performance by inman today, going 8 and giving up just 1 er while collecting 6 k's - the monarchs are two ahead of huntingdon in the loss column and control their own destiny - ncwc and lagrange are all that stands between mu and a return to the regionals...go get it, boys!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 14, 2015, 10:52:10 PM
the monarchs move up one spot to 22 in the latest d3baseball.com poll - it won't help them win vs. ncwc this weekend, but it's nice to see them being recognized - i'm still a bit confused about how rmc is ranked higher than mu...lower win%, lower sos, higher rank...go figure - hopefully when the regional rankings come out, the committee gets it right

how about peace taking 2 of 3 from pc and getting a stellar pitching performance out of christian neal (17 k's!)...i was a lot shocked when i saw those results on saturday...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 16, 2015, 10:06:52 PM
the monarchs got off to a nice start in the ncwc series tonight, pounding the bishops starter for 9 hits and 8 runs in 2.2 innings in an 11-1 win - howard improves to 7-1 with a solid 8 inning start and the monarchs improve to 27-8 on the season
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 18, 2015, 09:36:35 PM
inman goes 7 strong and leads mu to the sweep of ncwc - 2 wins against lagrange next weekend can wrap up the usasac championship for the green & gold...3 great pitching performances this weekend and a total of 27 runs...nice work boys!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2015, 02:06:35 PM
the monarchs move up to #19 nationally in the d3baseball.com poll

i hope the regional ranking committee looks at mu a little more favorably than the d3 polls do, though - right now the d3 pollster's have shenandoah ranked #8 nationally, 11 spots above mu

here are the numbers:
su sos: #246
mu sos: #220

su regional win %: .750
mu regional win %: .806

su vs. teams above .500: 8-3-1 (.708)
mu vs. teams above .500: 16-5 (.762)

personally, i would have mu ahead of su based on those numbers alone...stronger schedule and higher winning % against said schedule - the monarchs have played almost twice as many games against teams above .500 and have a higher win% in those games, but shenandoah has recent history on their side
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
just looking at some statistics...the monarchs lead the nation with 321 runs, they are first in the country with 71 sacrifice bunts, they are 11th nationally in runs/game, they are 35th in the nation in batting average and 3rd nationally in hits - they are also 21st nationally in era

not bad...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 23, 2015, 09:43:18 AM
MU stats are not bad. Just not getting the recognition nationally.  We will have to prove it on the field. Go MU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2015, 02:03:30 PM
good article in the fayetteville observer about small ball (http://www.fayobserver.com/sports/monarchs-close-to-securing-ncaa-berth-thanks-to-small-ball/article_65592adc-b0a8-59da-baa6-b41a28889b7f.html) and the monarchs offense
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 24, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
Narch I don't understand regional rankings.  Please explain why MU is not ranked.  Thanks
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 24, 2015, 02:28:52 PM
Narch can probably give more input, but at first blush it is probably their Strength of Schedule.

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2015/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

MU comes in with a 222 SOS. I believe SOS is one of the primary criteria.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 24, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
Ok thanks. I will evaluate it more thoroughly.  Yes narch that is a good article on MU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
sos is the issue, but it's also that the regional ranking committee doesn't dig deep enough and relies too much on the raw sos number

i'll post records vs. teams with winning records for the regionally ranked teams...i can tell you that the monarchs have 14 wins this season vs. teams with a winning record vs. 5 losses (.737) and i don't think most of the other regionally ranked teams can say that (i've got to do some more research) - the owp and oowp for the monarchs is hurt by playing a lot of games vs. sub .500 teams, but they also played a lot of games (19) vs. teams over .500 and won over 73% of them - millsaps, for one, has a lower regional (.735) and overall (.714) winning % than mu does against above .500 teams - rhodes has a .711 overall and regional win %

if you compare mu to just rhodes and millsaps, you'll see that their overall winning %, regional winning % and winning % vs. teams above .500 are all highest among those three teams...just sayin'
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 24, 2015, 03:45:09 PM
Thanks for the reply.  I'll dig deeper and try to get an understanding of the formulas
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 24, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
It is not really formula's making the picks, it is humans. There are criteria they are supposed to follow, primary and secondary. But sometimes it seems like it is the same teams all the time. Best way is to win your conference and get the Pool A bid. Then do well in regionals.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 24, 2015, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 24, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
It is not really formula's making the picks, it is humans. There are criteria they are supposed to follow, primary and secondary. But sometimes it seems like it is the same teams all the time. Best way is to win your conference and get the Pool A bid. Then do well in regionals.
my contention is that i think the humans rely too heavily on the formulas, though...it is almost mathematically impossible for a usasac team to have a sos rating too much higher than .500, because 3/4ths (30) of their games are played against conference teams, and for every conference opponent win, there is a conference opponent loss - with just 10 ooc games, there just isn't a chance for a lot of movement beyond .500 in owp and oowp - when the evaluators look at that sos ranking in the 220 range, they probably think that the schedule is weak, but the reality is that they played as many games against opponents with winning records (19) as almost any regionally ranked team and have more wins (14) vs. teams with a winning record than any of the regionally ranked teams except rhodes (who also has 14)

here are records vs. teams with winning records for mu, along with all of the ranked teams except frostburg and birmingham southern (there isn't much debate that they are the two best in the region, in my mind)

emory: 13-11, .542 vs. opponents with winning records
rhodes: 14-8, .636 vs. opponents with winning records
millsaps:9-8, .529 vs. opponents with winning records
salisbury: 8-4, .667 vs. opponents with winning records
methodist: 14-5, .737 vs. opponents with winning records

so the monarchs have a higher regional winning % (.806) than all except salisbury and have the most wins against teams with a winning record as well as the highest winning % against teams with winning records, yet they are not ranked - the only metric that the monarchs don't lead these teams in is sos...it's hard to argue that the sos formula isn't what is hurting mu in the regional rankings
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2015, 12:04:38 AM
Narch, I agree with you my comment was to baseball fever. My sons team is in a similar boat as MU. But our SOS is at 150's because we scheduled historically good teams, and those teams bombed, this year. Our record against top 25 teams though is very good.
Our conference schedules 2 DH every weekend. It is icredibly hard to sweep a team 4 games on two days. So you get some losses to average teams. Combine that with a middling SOS, and your in trouble.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 26, 2015, 10:08:46 PM
the monarchs wrapped up the aq with a sweep of lagrange today and improve to 31-8 on the season - johnson and howard both had complete games as the monarchs won 5-3 and 4-0 - mu will finish off the regular season with one more vs. lagrange tomorrow and then it's a matter of waiting for the regional pairings - go monarchs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 26, 2015, 10:21:45 PM
Johnson and Howard pitched 2 great games today. With shortstop injured,  backup Adam Gunn stepped in and played a great game as well. With inman on the mound tomorrow hopefully MU can get the sweep. Conference Champions. Go Monarchs.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 27, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
the monarchs ride into the playoffs on another nice run (8 straight and 23 of 24), as inman pitches a stellar 6 innings giving up 3 hits, 1 walk, 0 er and striking out 4 - the health of inman has been huge and he's pitched very well down the stretch - 3 quality starters and good arms coming out of the 'pen matched with an offense that is patient and will make all of the little plays - fun team to watch and follow this year and they should make for a difficult matchup for anyone in the regionals - 32-8 on the season with 4 one-run losses...31-7 vs. d3 competition (mcmurry...29-11...is still provisional)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on April 28, 2015, 11:45:10 AM
Yes looking forward to the regionals. Exciting baseball at MU.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on April 28, 2015, 10:28:35 PM
mu moves to #12 in the latest d3baseball.com poll...i'm a little surprised, but i'll take it :)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 05, 2015, 02:27:16 PM
i know it only impacts seeding in the regional tournament for the monarchs, but i'm still perplexed by the regional rankings - here are the updated numbers

3. emory: .684 d3 win %, .642 (18-10) vs. opp with winning record
4. rhodes: .744 d3 win %,  .680 (17-8) vs. opp with winning record
5. millsaps: .710 d3 win%, .545 (12-10) vs. opp with winning record
6. salisbury: .867 d3 win %, .733 (11-4) vs. opp with winning record

mu: .820 d3 win %, .737 (14-5) vs. opp with winning record

among this group, the monarchs have the 2nd highest win % and the highest win % vs. teams with a winning record (in a similar number of games vs. teams with winning records), but they aren't ranked?

emory at #3 and millsaps at #5 are particularly vexing - mu and emory split 2 games in the season and vs. common opponents emory was 8-3 (.727) and mu was 10-2 (.833) - millsaps is just above .500 vs. good teams, while mu won at a .737 clip - i can't comprehend why either of these two are ranked above mu if the committee is paying attention to the little things and not just looking at numbers
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 05, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
I understand your frustration. My sons team is in a similar situation. Win % vs teams with a winning % is not one of the criteria.

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament

Take a look at point 5

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
    - Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
    - Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/ selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-of-region Division III and all other opponents including those contests versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the men's baseball committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the men's baseball committee for selection purposes.

The one that gets me is the one in bold above. It must be too low on the totem pole to make up for strength of schedule.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 06, 2015, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 05, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Win % vs teams with a winning % is not one of the criteria.
i realize this isn't part of the official criteria, but my suggestion is that the committee should look beyond sos, especially when you have a team, like methodist, that plays 75% of it's games against conference opponents and each win is offset by a loss - if you looked solely at sos, you'd think mu had played A LOT fewer games against teams with winning records, but the reality isn't so

Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 05, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.

The one that gets me is the one in bold above. It must be too low on the totem pole to make up for strength of schedule.
...and strength of schedule is apparently one of the primary criteria for regional rankings, so it's a circular equation...you have to have a high sos to get ranked - in my opinion, millsaps should not have been regionally ranked to begin with, but because they are, teams like emory, bsu and rhodes all get a "plus" in that column

being .500 (1-1) vs. regionally ranked teams (as mu is) isn't better than being .363 (4-7) (millsaps) vs. regionally ranked teams in the eyes of the committee -  it will be interesting to see if salisbury jumps millsaps in the next rankings - they've picked up wins vs. washington college and johns hopkins...who were both regionally ranked at some point...since the last rankings

the monarchs are likely going to have to win the regional as a 6 seed....every team that makes this regional is going to be really good, so the seed is just a number...and it can happen if the pitching holds up
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 06, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
We were discussing this on the NCAC board as well. There is no particular order to the Primary criteria, except how the individual voters personally rank them. So it depends on the voter. I do think most voters hold SOS in to high of a regard.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 11, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
so we have the regionals set, and the monarchs are indeed a #6 seed, facing top seed rhodes - i wasn't surprised to see frostburg and salisbury go to another regional location because of proximity, but i didn't even think to see if marietta was within 500 miles (it's 495, per google maps), and i never considered pacific lutheran as an option - there are some really good baseball programs and traditions in this regional...the winner will earn their spot in the d3 world series, that's for sure

rhodes leads the country in team era (2.42), but the monarchs aren't far behind at #12 nationally and 2.89 era...and the lynx have given up just 2 fewer runs on the season than the monarchs (139 vs. 141) and the two teams have an identical 1.31 WHIP (walks and hits/inning pitched) - rhodes is giving up about 7.6 hits/game while monarch pitching gives up around 8.6 hits/game

the rhodes pitchers will walk some guys (165 in 356 innings) and the monarchs will take a walk (14th nationally with 182 walks in 40 games) - mu is also top 15 nationally in runs and runs per game and top 35 nationally in hits, hits/game and batting average

in fact, the monarchs are the only team in this regional ranked that highly in both offensive and pitching statistics - i suspect rhodes will throw adam putnam in the opener...he will be a tall task (literally and figuratively) for the monarchs...

let's go Monarchs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 11, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
I don't get how PLU ended up in the South. They are a very good team and were the number 1 regionally ranked team int he west. That is probably the toughest Regional IMO.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: General Swamp on May 11, 2015, 02:57:18 PM
The season goes on!  I remember how tough it was in 2009 and 2010 that very good, 30 win PLU teams were (31 and 30 respectively) left off the invite list for the regionals. In 2009, PLU tied George Fox for the title, and lost a one game playoff (soundly) at George Fox. The next year, the lost at Linfield to end the seasons. Both really tough ways to end the season, even at the hands of talented teams.  The door is open...Never know how  seeding and locations will make a difference.  I say...enjoy the ride.  It isn't often, and all these teams are very good!   Should be a great West Regional.

For PLU, there are some very good teams playing in Georgia as well.  The baseball field and Piedmont College looks amazing.  If I were going, I would be very interested in checking out the Johnny Mize displays on campus.  The Chicago style Pizza place in town has great reviews.  Bring your camera, take some time to see a new part of the country.  It looks to be warm on the 13th, and good to have an earlier game on the schedule.  Like I say, enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 11, 2015, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 11, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
I don't get how PLU ended up in the South. They are a very good team and were the number 1 regionally ranked team int he west. That is probably the toughest Regional IMO.

agree completely....I'm not thrilled that Marietta got shipped down there as a #4 seed.  They showed last weekend that they were better than both Heidelberg and Baldwin Wallace, and those 2 teams were awarded #3 and #2 seeds in their respective regionals.

the South winner will definitely be battle tested and ready for Appleton.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 12, 2015, 10:28:57 PM
read the mu regional preview here (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2015/5/12/BB_0512151626.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 13, 2015, 03:14:19 PM
too many left on base for the monarchs today...left bases loaded 3 times and got just 2 runs in a 3 run game...gotta scratch out some wins now, boys! go monarchs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on May 14, 2015, 10:35:11 PM
tough way to end a great season for the monarchs...coming in, i thought the monarch pitching and hitting were going to be enough, but this is a loaded regional, and the monarchs just didn't have it....32-10 is nothing to be ashamed of, though - great work monarchs!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on June 10, 2015, 02:01:27 PM
chris perry is off to another solid start...still at advanced A level in the florida state league, but he's 1-2 with a 2.38 era, 6 saves and 22 K's in 22.2 ip and giving up a .162 baa - walk rate is way up vs. last year (13 in 22.2 ip), which is something he struggled with in the arizona fall league - i suspect a mid-season call up if he continues to pitch this way
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 12, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
Maryville's Dean drafted by the Dodgers:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/mc-s-nick-dean-not-soon-forgetting-draft-day/article_fef5a675-e661-571a-978e-9d2cb4130f73.html

I know of at least one other D3 player (from Haverford) drafted by the Dodgers.  Maybe LA thinks D3 players who can read are a good risk.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots13 on June 20, 2015, 10:56:12 PM
Nick Dean is 2-3 so far in Odgen with a HR.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 27, 2015, 02:34:50 PM
Keep us posted.  How do you follow his play at Ogden?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots13 on July 05, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on June 27, 2015, 02:34:50 PM
Keep us posted.  How do you follow his play at Ogden?

As of pre-game 7/5, he's hitting .380. You can listen to the games online at ogden-raptors.com.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots13 on July 05, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
0-1 today, but with an RBI. Now hitting .370-something with 3 HR and 13 RBI. Got the start at 3B today. First few games he was 9th in the lineup but has seen time leading off, 3rd and 5th a few games.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 06, 2015, 09:30:56 AM
thanks

I am a lifelong Dodger fan so this is especially fun.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 08, 2015, 09:08:32 AM
chris perry was promoted to AA springfield after going 1-3 with 11 saves in 12 save opps with a 1.97 era, 34 k's in 32 innings and holding opponents to a .146 baa

the jump to AA from advanced A is big...let's see what he can do!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 08, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
Good luck to this young man.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots13 on July 15, 2015, 02:46:21 PM
Nick Dean has been promoted to A-Great Lakes.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 17, 2015, 10:10:59 AM
I hope he is enjoying the opportunity!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 31, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
perry is now 0-0 with 1 save in 1 opp in 8 games at AA - 14 ip, 11 k, 6 bb (those are killing him), .236 opp ba, 3.86 era

looks like the transition to full-season A ball has been tough for nick dean, hitting .175 in his first 12 games...he'll get it going, though...dude can stroke the ball
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 07, 2015, 12:38:21 PM
I bet it is a big change for hitters as they work up in the system.  Future Zack Grienke's probably pitched in the same level.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: baseballfever on March 09, 2016, 07:45:03 PM
Whats up at MU narch.?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 07, 2016, 11:36:30 AM
Pfieffer is moving from D2 to D3 and will join the USASAC:

http://www.thetimesnews.com/article/20160504/SPORTS/160509634?sf25741577=1
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: narch on July 22, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
chris perry was just promoted to triple a memphis redbirds - he has pitched in 27 games and compiled 40.1 innings in double a texas league (a notorious hitters league) with a 2.90 era, 48 k's, .200 baa and 1.36 whip - he has walked 28, which is more than he's walked in any other full season, but i imagine he's trying to expand the zone in parks where balls routinely take flight - at 6'2", 215 lbs and with a fastball that routinely sits in the low to mid 90's, he's got a shot to continue to advance - it will be interesting to see how he fares at triple a
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D3SportsFan on April 12, 2017, 12:58:32 PM
USA South Tournament started today...hardly mid-April...let the playoff baseball begin!!!
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 13, 2017, 03:23:19 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on April 12, 2017, 12:58:32 PM
USA South Tournament started today...hardly mid-April...let the playoff baseball begin!!!

No real surprises in the tournament on day one as top seeds won, except #5 beat #4.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 13, 2017, 03:49:36 PM
Everyone that could possibly be on the bubble should root for La Grange to win the tournament since they would be a lock for a Pool C.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Panther4ever on May 03, 2017, 06:28:52 PM
Thanks for the information
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on June 08, 2017, 12:55:31 AM
Not sure if anyone posted this or not.

This young man, currently a senior in high school, will be taking his talents to DIII baseball next year as he will attend Huntingdon College in the USA South Athletic Conference. What an amazing story. Scroll down to the 2nd video.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/one-armed-high-school-pitcher-josh-stevens-taking-his-talents-to-college/
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
Huntingdon takes 2 of 3 from Metholdist.

This race should be very tight down the stretch.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 08, 2019, 12:36:34 PM
Watching the NCAA DI Super Regional Auburn at UNC-CH baseball game on ESPN2.  Drives me nuts when the uninformed announcers are discussing that UNC coach Mike Fox was once a DIII coach at "UNC-Wesleyan".  That is so stupid on several levels.  Sigh.
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on June 13, 2019, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on June 08, 2019, 12:36:34 PM
Watching the NCAA DI Super Regional Auburn at UNC-CH baseball game on ESPN2.  Drives me nuts when the uninformed announcers are discussing that UNC coach Mike Fox was once a DIII coach at "UNC-Wesleyan".  That is so stupid on several levels.  Sigh.
Auburn coach Butch Thompson was once an assistant at both Huntingdon and Birmingham-Southern. Both were in the '90's before either was DIII but still...
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on June 13, 2019, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: hasanova on June 08, 2019, 12:36:34 PM
Watching the NCAA DI Super Regional Auburn at UNC-CH baseball game on ESPN2.  Drives me nuts when the uninformed announcers are discussing that UNC coach Mike Fox was once a DIII coach at "UNC-Wesleyan".  That is so stupid on several levels.  Sigh.

Kind of like my high school graduation when our principal was naming off the schools people were attending and he called Cal Lutheran "California State Lutheran College".
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 20, 2019, 12:43:56 PM
Coaching change at Maryville College:  https://www.mcscots.com/sports/bsb/index
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: D3SportsFan on February 06, 2020, 11:10:49 AM
What's happening with Berea College Baseball? Is their program folding for 2020?
Title: Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 06, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: D3SportsFan on February 06, 2020, 11:10:49 AM
What's happening with Berea College Baseball? Is their program folding for 2020?

folding? No. Playing this season? Also no.

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/berea-college-cancels-2020-baseball-season/