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SaintsFAN

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 25, 2015, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 25, 2015, 12:04:25 PM
Thomas More will host St John Fisher in week 1 - great to see the Saints continue to schedule aggressively.

Agreed. It does leave open the perennial question about trying to schedule your way into a Pool C berth by making sure you're 9-1 if you don't win the keagueC but I much prefer to see good teams scheduling good non league games (Wabash HSC also comes to mind) and counting on just winning their way into the playoffs. Kudos to TMC.

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AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 26, 2015, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 25, 2015, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on January 25, 2015, 12:04:25 PM
Thomas More will host St John Fisher in week 1 - great to see the Saints continue to schedule aggressively.

Agreed. It does leave open the perennial question about trying to schedule your way into a Pool C berth by making sure you're 9-1 if you don't win the keagueC but I much prefer to see good teams scheduling good non league games (Wabash HSC also comes to mind) and counting on just winning their way into the playoffs. Kudos to TMC.

Did you get my response to your message last week?

Yes, I did.  Will be interesting to see what happens in the next few days up north.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

ADL70

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ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: ADL70 on January 29, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
TMC's HC leaving for LaSalle HS

http://tmcsaints.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501289duwuw

So...whoa.  I can imagine many reasons why small college coaches may make a move like this (family, just ready for new challenge, who knows) but this is still huge.  I have to assume that coaching FB at the HS is not a full time position?  SaintsFAN - any comments...
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

jknezek

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 29, 2015, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 29, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
TMC's HC leaving for LaSalle HS

http://tmcsaints.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501289duwuw

So...whoa.  I can imagine many reasons why small college coaches may make a move like this (family, just ready for new challenge, who knows) but this is still huge.  I have to assume that coaching FB at the HS is not a full time position?  SaintsFAN - any comments...

At LaSalle? If HC isn't a full time position it is probably complimented by something like "detention supervisor" and is de facto full time.

SaintsFAN

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 29, 2015, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 29, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
TMC's HC leaving for LaSalle HS

http://tmcsaints.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501289duwuw

So...whoa.  I can imagine many reasons why small college coaches may make a move like this (family, just ready for new challenge, who knows) but this is still huge.  I have to assume that coaching FB at the HS is not a full time position?  SaintsFAN - any comments...

Sorry guys -- just got back in the country last night and saw the news (was off the internet, also).  This is one of four GCL South Schools which hold a high prestige (St Xavier, Moeller, Elder and LaSalle) in SW Ohio.  Coach Hilvert grew up in that league (Elder) and his dad went to LaSalle.  LaSalle just steamrolled their way to a State Title in Division 2.  Its a dream of a Catholic Kid from Cincy to coach in this league - add to that, its his dad's school (with whom he is very close) and I think you have a no-brainer.  Now, lots of people have come and gone and done really crappy at LaSalle (including MSJ's current offensive coordinator, Tom Grippa) but Jimmy is a better coach than Grippa.  He'll do just fine there.  I played in the GCL North -- and you're right, the Coach Position is not a full time position, but he could be named, say, Dean of Students and not have to teach class either, like my Coach did. 

Now, lets spin this forward -- Thomas More begins a national search.  With the new school President being athletically-focused, the hiring of an Alumni Giving Position, A new Booster Club and the fact the school is located within minutes of the most fertile of recruiting grounds -- its a good "get" for an up and coming coordinator. 

Should be interesting to see who applies. 
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

SpartanMom_2016

I don't think it's that unusual for coaches to coach in HS after coaching in D3.  It happens all the time in lacrosse.  Most of the people I know who do it complain about the constant recruiting in D3.  HS jobs do not require all that much travel.  The guys I know who made the change also got HS coaching jobs that were associated with FT teaching jobs.

ADL70

SPARTANS...PREPARE FOR GLORY
HA-WOO, HA-WOO, HA-WOO
Think beyond the possible.
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Dr. Acula

Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 03, 2015, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on January 29, 2015, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 29, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
TMC's HC leaving for LaSalle HS

http://tmcsaints.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501289duwuw

So...whoa.  I can imagine many reasons why small college coaches may make a move like this (family, just ready for new challenge, who knows) but this is still huge.  I have to assume that coaching FB at the HS is not a full time position?  SaintsFAN - any comments...

Sorry guys -- just got back in the country last night and saw the news (was off the internet, also).  This is one of four GCL South Schools which hold a high prestige (St Xavier, Moeller, Elder and LaSalle) in SW Ohio.  Coach Hilvert grew up in that league (Elder) and his dad went to LaSalle.  LaSalle just steamrolled their way to a State Title in Division 2.  Its a dream of a Catholic Kid from Cincy to coach in this league - add to that, its his dad's school (with whom he is very close) and I think you have a no-brainer.  Now, lots of people have come and gone and done really crappy at LaSalle (including MSJ's current offensive coordinator, Tom Grippa) but Jimmy is a better coach than Grippa.  He'll do just fine there.  I played in the GCL North -- and you're right, the Coach Position is not a full time position, but he could be named, say, Dean of Students and not have to teach class either, like my Coach did. 

Now, lets spin this forward -- Thomas More begins a national search.  With the new school President being athletically-focused, the hiring of an Alumni Giving Position, A new Booster Club and the fact the school is located within minutes of the most fertile of recruiting grounds -- its a good "get" for an up and coming coordinator. 

Should be interesting to see who applies.

I would think it'd be at worst equal pay and far less hours for him when you remove recruiting from the equation (Cincy area public HS fans can insert jokes here).  If he has a family that seems like a good move.  Plus LaSalle is loaded again next year so he could win a state title year 1.

I'm interested to see who TMC lands.  That seems like a pretty good job to me.  Heck, the right coach should be able to field a top 25 team every year only recruiting Cincy/Dayton.  Okay, perhaps an exaggeration, but there is a ton of HS talent to mine for a D3 school down there.  That's why it blows my mind that MSJ is not competing for the HCAC.  Sorry, I'm rambling.  Wrong thread.     

SaintsFAN

Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 08, 2015, 04:18:46 PM
  That's why it blows my mind that MSJ is not competing for the HCAC.  Sorry, I'm rambling.  Wrong thread.   

Because Hilvert and staff were getting all the D3 kids into Thomas More!
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on February 04, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
I don't think it's that unusual for coaches to coach in HS after coaching in D3.  It happens all the time in lacrosse.  Most of the people I know who do it complain about the constant recruiting in D3.  HS jobs do not require all that much travel.  The guys I know who made the change also got HS coaching jobs that were associated with FT teaching jobs.

Oh, I agree that some D3 coaches will go back to coaching HS afterwards.  It's just that, obviously, when you're coaching HS that at least requires some nominal other job (even if that job is detention supervisor).  But I do see your point that a college job comes with additional stresses of its own - my intent is not to make this a comparison of who has a harder life between HS and college coaches, since I admire both.

Serious, not-being-a-prick question: how many D3 schools have lacrosse-coaching positions that are FT?
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 03, 2015, 08:30:35 AM
Sorry guys -- just got back in the country last night and saw the news (was off the internet, also).  This is one of four GCL South Schools which hold a high prestige (St Xavier, Moeller, Elder and LaSalle) in SW Ohio.  Coach Hilvert grew up in that league (Elder) and his dad went to LaSalle.  LaSalle just steamrolled their way to a State Title in Division 2.  Its a dream of a Catholic Kid from Cincy to coach in this league - add to that, its his dad's school (with whom he is very close) and I think you have a no-brainer.  Now, lots of people have come and gone and done really crappy at LaSalle (including MSJ's current offensive coordinator, Tom Grippa) but Jimmy is a better coach than Grippa.  He'll do just fine there.  I played in the GCL North -- and you're right, the Coach Position is not a full time position, but he could be named, say, Dean of Students and not have to teach class either, like my Coach did. 

Totally understood.  I'm not familiar with the specific league, but can easily imagine the situation you're describing.  The alma mater / home league connection always remains strong.

Quote from: SaintsFAN on February 03, 2015, 08:30:35 AM
Now, lets spin this forward -- Thomas More begins a national search.  With the new school President being athletically-focused, the hiring of an Alumni Giving Position, A new Booster Club and the fact the school is located within minutes of the most fertile of recruiting grounds -- its a good "get" for an up and coming coordinator. 

...or will Dean Paul put his name in the lot?  With it being public knowledge that he applied at UWW (which no one can/should possibly blame him, or any D3 coach besides possibly Vince Kehres, for doing) is there going to be any lingering discomfort at ONU for him?

I agree that it looks like a pretty attractive position for an up-and-comer, too.  Just throwing this fun little nugget into the mix.  Seems like a long shot to me.  Are any of Hilvert's assistants realistic HC candidates?
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

jknezek

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on February 09, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on February 04, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
I don't think it's that unusual for coaches to coach in HS after coaching in D3.  It happens all the time in lacrosse.  Most of the people I know who do it complain about the constant recruiting in D3.  HS jobs do not require all that much travel.  The guys I know who made the change also got HS coaching jobs that were associated with FT teaching jobs.

Serious, not-being-a-prick question: how many D3 schools have lacrosse-coaching positions that are FT?

Very few. But I bet most football coaches in D3 also have ancillary jobs. At W&L they used to teach a PE class or two in winter/spring term (W&L does trimesters). Probably still do, but I won't guarantee it as I'm now coming up on 15 years out. I think most of the head coaches are in the same boat. We had to take 6 semesters of PE before graduation, so I had golf with the swim team coach, squash with the head football coach, volleyball with the lacrosse coach, tennis with someone I can't remember, and I can't remember the other two but they were all pretty much head or assistant coaches.


ExTartanPlayer

Quote from: jknezek on February 09, 2015, 10:18:11 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on February 09, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: SpartanMom_2016 on February 04, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
I don't think it's that unusual for coaches to coach in HS after coaching in D3.  It happens all the time in lacrosse.  Most of the people I know who do it complain about the constant recruiting in D3.  HS jobs do not require all that much travel.  The guys I know who made the change also got HS coaching jobs that were associated with FT teaching jobs.

Serious, not-being-a-prick question: how many D3 schools have lacrosse-coaching positions that are FT?

Very few. But I bet most football coaches in D3 also have ancillary jobs. At W&L they used to teach a PE class or two in winter/spring term (W&L does trimesters). Probably still do, but I won't guarantee it as I'm now coming up on 15 years out. I think most of the head coaches are in the same boat. We had to take 6 semesters of PE before graduation, so I had golf with the swim team coach, squash with the head football coach, volleyball with the lacrosse coach, tennis with someone I can't remember, and I can't remember the other two but they were all pretty much head or assistant coaches.

Oh, I agree re: ancially jobs, CMU's coaches also teach an assortment of PE classes (and the offensive coordinator while I was there was also the golf coach) and had some facilities-related responsibilities.

But I imagine that the typical collegiate HC's primary job is still coaching and recruiting for football with an ancillary job on the side.

Whereas, I suspect that your typical HS coach is more of a "teacher that coaches the football team" - even if his teaching job is "weight room supervisor" or "detention monitor" or something, he still spends more time doing his ''other" job than coaching football.  Being the football coach is the ancillary job, in this case, with teaching (or whatever-ing) being the primary job.
I was small but made up for it by being slow...

http://athletics.cmu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20120629a4jaxa

SaintsFAN

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on February 09, 2015, 10:16:08 AM
...or will Dean Paul put his name in the lot?  With it being public knowledge that he applied at UWW (which no one can/should possibly blame him, or any D3 coach besides possibly Vince Kehres, for doing) is there going to be any lingering discomfort at ONU for him?

I agree that it looks like a pretty attractive position for an up-and-comer, too.  Just throwing this fun little nugget into the mix.  Seems like a long shot to me.  Are any of Hilvert's assistants realistic HC candidates?

I think Coach Paul is staying put at ONU -- I don't think we'll see him at TMC again, unfortunately. 

There are a couple assistants who are Head Coaching Material -- I think there has been alot of outside interest, however.  I'm not sure of the direction they'll head.  They need to make sure who they hire embraces there will be certain challenges at the school and someone who embraces the the D3 philosophy.
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2